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1 Ben G. Hazi  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 5:55:52pm

LOL

2 erik_t  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 5:57:33pm

Who said he's stopping? Failure never stopped a Romney.

3 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 5:59:01pm

The Romney Show.

4 researchok  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:00:23pm

'What's it like not to be obsessing..'

LOLOL

5 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:01:47pm

Hey, Secessionists! Sucked when you lost! The South will lose again!

(Image is so awesome you have to see the original)

6 EPR-radar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:03:59pm

Excellent public service by the Onion. Romney needs to be mocked severely.

I particularly like the notion of a model of the US within which he could campaign perpetually.

Small, solid gold figurines of big GOP donors and primary rivals could be taken out in the morning, played with, and then put away for naptimes.

7 Stanghazi  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:06:08pm

re: #6 EPR-radar

Excellent public service by the Onion. Romney needs to be mocked severely.

I particularly like the notion of a model of the US within which he could campaign perpetually.

Small, solid gold figurines of big GOP donors and primary rivals could be taken out in the morning, played with, and then put away for naptimes.

Legoland is waiting for him. 15 min from his La Jolla beach house.

8 darthstar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:06:16pm
9 Kremer  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:07:19pm

See: Lyndon LaRouche.

10 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:08:57pm

re: #5 Vicious Babushka

Hey, Secessionists! Sucked when you lost! The South will lose again!

(Image is so awesome you have to see the original)

That is pretty danged awesome.

11 EPR-radar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:11:47pm

re: #10 makeitstop

That is pretty danged awesome.

"The Emancipator" on the gun is a nice touch...

12 darthstar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:12:34pm

re: #5 Alouette

Hey, Secessionists! Sucked when you lost! The South will lose again!

(Image is so awesome you have to see the original)

That's better than Winchester Jesus on a raptor.

13 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:12:58pm

I love a good DC sex scandal. This one is getting better every day.
The real housewives of Afghanistan

14 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:13:32pm

re: #9 Kremer

See: Lyndon LaRouche.

Harold Stassen.

15 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:13:47pm

Jesus Christ, don't wingnuts have anything better to do than parse everything the president says for hidden potential perfidiousness?

16 Stanghazi  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:13:52pm

re: #5 Vicious Babushka

Hey, Secessionists! Sucked when you lost! The South will lose again!

(Image is so awesome you have to see the original)

Support America, and by America I mean me creating me more of these pictures by buying an awesome print here.

17 dragonath  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:14:46pm

Paul Ryan-Endorsed Candidate Loses Bid For GOP Leadership Role

Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers (WA) defeated Rep. Tom Price (GA) on Wednesday to become the next House Republican Conference Chairman, according to a person in the room during the vote.

It’s a wake-up call for Ryan, who urged colleagues in a letter Tuesday morning to support Price, the former chief of the deeply conservative Republican Study Committee, and favorite of the party’s right wing.

McMorris Rodgers was Speaker John Boehner’s preference. Currently the vice chair of the GOP conference and highest ranking House Republican woman, she has been a loyal surrogate for leadership and has earned the Speaker’s trust.

18 aagcobb  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:14:49pm

re: #15 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

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Jesus Christ, don't wingnuts have anything better to do than parse everything the president says for hidden potential perfidiousness?

No, they don't.

19 aagcobb  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:16:19pm

re: #17 dragonath

Paul Ryan-Endorsed Candidate Loses Bid For GOP Leadership Role

I'm not sure why, but apparently John of Orange still has the congressional GOP's support.

20 Stanghazi  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:16:53pm

re: #13 Digital Display

I love a good DC sex scandal. This one is getting better every day.
The real housewives of Afghanistan

re: #13 Digital Display

I love a good DC sex scandal. This one is getting better every day.
The real housewives of Afghanistan

hahahaha. Seriously the Florida woman called 911. 911! About press in her driveway...she was trying to claim diplomatic immunity! To a 911 operator.

CRAY CRAY

21 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:17:20pm

These three had to go together:

Frank says:

Why do you necessarily have to be wrong just because a few million people think you are?

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and

Image: yLOrqK5xd0K1MKxUUochng2.jpg

Later, lizards.

22 Iwouldprefernotto  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:17:28pm

re: #19 aagcobb

I'm not sure why, but apparently John of Orange still has the congressional GOP's support.

Until he asks them to raise taxes on millionaires.

23 darthstar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:17:29pm

re: #15 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

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Jesus Christ, don't wingnuts have anything better to do than parse everything the president says for hidden potential perfidiousness?

Plus, the reporter asking the question asked about McCain and Graham specifically.

24 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:19:18pm

UN spring into action....
U.N. Security Council calls emergency session on Israel raids

The U.N. Security Council will hold a closed emergency meeting on Wednesday night to discuss Israeli strikes against the Gaza Strip as Israel threatened a wider offensive in the Palestinian enclave to stem rocket salvoes by Hamas militants.

No mention of the 100+ rocket launches this week. Not sure if that total includes the over 50 rockets today.

25 aagcobb  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:19:34pm

re: #22 Iwouldprefernotto

Until he asks them to raise taxes on millionaires.

That is probably why the President should just shut it down until the New Year, when higher taxes on millionaires will be a done deal.

26 Usually refered to as anyways  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:21:13pm

re: #19 aagcobb

I'm not sure why, but apparently John of Orange still has the congressional GOP's support.

Upding for 'John of Orange', gave me a giggle.

27 Majacita  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:22:13pm

I think that Leslie Nielson could have played Romney magnificently.

28 erik_t  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:22:56pm

re: #15 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

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Jesus Christ, don't wingnuts have anything better to do than parse everything the president says for hidden potential perfidiousness?

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29 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:23:07pm

I be having fun with this here newfangled twitting stuff...

...but she deleted my twit on her tweet. :(

/

30 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:23:09pm

re: #20 Stanghazi

re: #13 Digital Display

hahahaha. Seriously the Florida woman called 911. 911! About press in her driveway...she was trying to claim diplomatic immunity! To a 911 operator.

CRAY CRAY

Boy DC has a long list of sex scandals.. Each one better than the last.
The first one I remember when I was 13 or so. Gypsy Lee, The stripper and congressional sex partner. The only reason i remember that was cause I knew where pops hid his Playboy stash. :)

31 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:24:01pm

re: #27 Majacita

I think that Leslie Nielson could have played Romney magnificently.

Gordon Geko from Wall Street

32 Stanghazi  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:24:12pm

I'm still rather amazed that a fight/attack/war was twittered today. Was that IDF account legit?

33 jamesfirecat  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:24:21pm

If this campaign bus goes under fifty miles an hour....

34 Kragar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:27:58pm

Romney Camp Retooling Campaign After Latest Setback

Calling it “a small bump in the road,” sources within Romney headquarters announced plans Wednesday to readjust their campaign strategy following their candidate’s loss of the 2012 presidential election to Barack Obama.

“Obviously the defeat yesterday was tough, but we’re confident we can get right back on track and win this thing in the end,” said Romney campaign manager Matt Rhoades, adding that the GOP candidate “won’t be giving up just because of one bad day.” “The country simply can’t survive another four years of President Obama’s failed policies and broken promises. We just have to regroup, reconfigure a few things, and continue spreading our message to the American people that the man to lead this country forward is Mitt Romney.”

“We’re in this for the long haul,” Rhoades continued. “So we’re not going to let something minor, like not getting enough votes in the electoral college, set us back.”

According to sources, Romney plans to run fresh attack ads next week in several of the swing states he lost, including Ohio, Iowa, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania, and his campaign has already scheduled additional rallies and fundraising dinners across the country.

35 aagcobb  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:28:02pm

re: #31 Digital Display

Gordon Geko from Wall Street

Ted Knight in Caddyshack.

36 Kaessa  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:30:10pm

re: #27 Majacita

I think that Leslie Nielson could have played Romney magnificently.

Upding for putting that awesome image in my head.

37 EPR-radar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:30:19pm

re: #33 jamesfirecat

OT --- Always nice to see a reference to Final Fantasy VII. It was the first remotely close to modern video game I played, so naturally it is one of my favorites.

38 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:30:20pm

re: #35 aagcobb

Ted Knight in Caddyshack.

Charlie Sheen in Apocalypse now as Paul Ryan

39 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:31:54pm

re: #34 Kragar

Romney Camp Retooling Campaign After Latest Setback

It's a shame when you have to double check to see if it's an Onion story.

40 Ben G. Hazi  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:32:44pm

re: #38 Digital Display

Charlie Martin Sheen in Apocalypse Now as Paul Ryan

FTFY...

Martin Sheen as Col. Kurtz as Paul Ryan...that's deeper than the Tenth Level of Hell.

41 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:34:24pm

re: #32 Stanghazi

I'm still rather amazed that a fight/attack/war was twittered today. Was that IDF account legit?

No way to tell without a verified blue check thingie next to the account name.

42 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:34:41pm

re: #40 Ben G. Hazi

FTFY

Thanks.. I meant Platoon

43 Kragar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:35:19pm

re: #42 Digital Display

Thanks.. I meant Platoon

Same difference.
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44 Ben G. Hazi  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:35:23pm

re: #42 Digital Display

Thanks.. I meant Platoon

Eh, either works ;-P

45 dragonath  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:36:56pm

re: #41 watching you tiny alien kittens are

No way to tell without a verified blue check thingie next to the account name.

Yes, it is verified:

[Link: twitter.com...]

46 Kragar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:38:09pm

George Wendt as John Sununu

47 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:41:14pm

re: #46 Kragar

George Wendt as John Sununu

You have to admit Mitt changed more this last year than Jeff Goldblum in the fly.

48 dragonath  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:42:31pm

re: #47 Digital Display

At least you could take pity on the Fly...

49 geoduck  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:43:57pm

re: #20 Stanghazi

re: #13 Digital Display

hahahaha. Seriously the Florida woman called 911. 911! About press in her driveway...she was trying to claim diplomatic immunity! To a 911 operator.

According to TPM, she evidently was referring not to her relationship with Petraeus, but to some kind of side gig she has with South Korea.

50 Kragar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:43:58pm

re: #48 dragonath

At least you could take pity on the Fly...

He bugged me.

51 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:45:01pm

Ha, probably too busy appearing on Fox...

to notice this one yet...

52 jaunte  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:47:27pm

re: #15 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

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Jesus Christ, don't wingnuts have anything better to do than parse everything the president says for hidden potential perfidiousness?

Actually, no, not really.

53 Kragar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:49:27pm

re: #52 jaunte

Actually, no, not really.

"QUICKLY! COUNT THE NUMBER OF VOWELS HE USED!"

54 jaunte  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:51:59pm

"then you have a problem with me."

Uh oh, he used 10 vowels!

Leadership, confidence, optimism, energy, independence, creative power, success, original, adaptable, individualisation, determination.
[Link: numerology-thenumbersandtheirmeanings.blogspot.com...]

55 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:52:02pm

re: #45 dragonath

Yes, it is verified:

[Link: twitter.com...]

Then yes, twitter vouches for the account being real. The blue check thingie is there...thanks dragonath.

56 jamesfirecat  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:54:11pm

re: #37 EPR-radar

OT --- Always nice to see a reference to Final Fantasy VII. It was the first remotely close to modern video game I played, so naturally it is one of my favorites.

Final Fantasy VII is a great game.

It's like.... F**k this is what all RPGS should be like for whatever reason. It's like Silent Hill 2 or Halo where it's a game that defined a genere.

Also I in now way enjoyed it enough that I wrote a 200,000+ word fanfic for it....

57 jaunte  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:55:03pm

[Link: twitter.com...]

58 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:00:02pm

re: #40 Ben G. Hazi

FTFY...

Martin Sheen as Col. Kurtz as Paul Ryan...that's deeper than the Tenth Level of Hell.

Brando was Col. Kurtz. Sheen was Capt. Willard. Heh.

59 Kragar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:02:04pm

re: #58 makeitstop

Brando was Col. Kurtz. Sheen was Capt. Willard. Heh.

He was an errand boy, sent by grocery clerks, to collect a bill!

60 Henchman 25  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:07:02pm

re: #56 jamesfirecat

Final Fantasy VII is a great game.

It's like.... F**k this is what all RPGS should be like for whatever reason. It's like Silent Hill 2 or Doom where it's a game that defined a genere.

FTFY

61 Kragar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:08:32pm

re: #60 SteelGHAZI

FTFY

You misspelled Wolfenstein

62 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:08:44pm

DERPTY DERP

63 Four More Tears  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:09:23pm

re: #56 jamesfirecat

Final Fantasy VII is a great game.

It's like.... F**k this is what all RPGS should be like for whatever reason. It's like Silent Hill 2 or Halo where it's a game that defined a genere.

Also I in now way enjoyed it enough that I wrote a 200,000+ word fanfic for it....

Eh. FF defined JRPGs.

64 Targetpractice  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:11:13pm

re: #62 Vicious Babushka

DERPTY DERP

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Because we know for certain that the income tax payers would all vote Republican.

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65 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:11:16pm

re: #60 SteelGHAZI

FTFY

You could have used Quake or Half-life too...just saying.

66 Ben G. Hazi  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:11:36pm

re: #58 makeitstop

Brando was Col. Kurtz. Sheen was Capt. Willard. Heh.

Whoops...

67 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:12:16pm

re: #64 Targetpractice

Because we know for certain that the income tax payers would all vote Republican.

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68 Kragar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:12:39pm

re: #62 Vicious Babushka

DERPTY DERP

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And here is what the electoral map would look like if complete fucktards were not allowed to vote:

Image: tumblr_mcspo0VQbP1rt5fkyo1_400.jpg

69 Four More Tears  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:12:50pm

re: #56 jamesfirecat

Final Fantasy VII is a great game.

It's like.... F**k this is what all RPGS should be like for whatever reason. It's like Silent Hill 2 or Halo where it's a game that defined a genere.

Also I in now way enjoyed it enough that I wrote a 200,000+ word fanfic for it....

Also, as much as I like Silent Hill 2, I'm not so sure you can argue that it defined survival horror. Same goes for Halo and FPSs.

70 Kragar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:13:57pm

re: #69 Four More Tears

Also, as much as I like Silent Hill 2, I'm not so sure you can argue that it defined survival horror. Same goes for Halo and FPSs.

Silent Hill is the only series which creeped me out to the point I had to walk away from the game and didn't come back.

That fucking rabbit.

71 Targetpractice  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:14:25pm

re: #69 Four More Tears

Also, as much as I like Silent Hill 2, I'm not so sure you can argue that it defined survival horror. Same goes for Halo and FPSs.

I'd argue that Biohazard/Resident Evil did more to define the genre than Silent Hill did.

72 Four More Tears  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:14:40pm

re: #62 Vicious Babushka

DERPTY DERP

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Hey, waitaminute. If 53% pay income tax and 47% don't, then why didn't they win the actual election instead of this one they made up in their head, hm?

73 Four More Tears  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:16:00pm

re: #70 Kragar

Silent Hill is the only series which creeped me out to the point I had to walk away from the game and didn't come back.

That fucking rabbit.

I don't think any game has creeped me out like that. A movie has, though.

Audition...

I stopped the stream when the bag moves and never went back. I'd say that's a compliment.

74 Kragar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:16:11pm

re: #72 Four More Tears

Hey, waitaminute. If 53% pay income tax and 47% don't, then why didn't they win the actual election instead of this one they made up in their head, hm?

Voter suppression obviously.
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75 dragonath  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:16:31pm

re: #71 Targetpractice

I'd argue that Biohazard/Resident Evil did more to define the genre than Silent Hill did.

YOU WERE ALMOST A JILL... SANDWICH!!

76 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:16:40pm

re: #72 Four More Tears

Hey, waitaminute. If 53% pay income tax and 47% don't, then why didn't they win the actual election instead of this one they made up in their head, hm?

Because some white people are race class traitors!!!

77 Four More Tears  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:17:11pm

re: #71 Targetpractice

I'd argue that Biohazard/Resident Evil did more to define the genre than Silent Hill did.

Yeah. And Doom defined the FPS genre, while I'd say Half-Life did that for the story-driven FPSs that we have now.

78 Kragar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:18:28pm

FALLOUT BITCHES!

79 Targetpractice  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:19:23pm

re: #77 Four More Tears

Yeah. And Doom defined the FPS genre, while I'd say Half-Life did that for the story-driven FPSs that we have now.

Doom defined it, but it was really following the trail that games like Wolfenstein had already blazed.

80 Four More Tears  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:19:29pm

re: #78 Kragar

FALLOUT BITCHES!

Yeah, FO definitely redefined the rpg genre stateside.

81 Four More Tears  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:20:09pm

re: #79 Targetpractice

Doom defined it, but it was really following the trail that games like Wolfenstein had already blazed.

Yeah, but Doom took it mainstream. Alone in the Dark came before RE, but RE really made it a thing.

82 dragonath  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:20:57pm

Bomberman, anyone?

83 Targetpractice  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:21:54pm

re: #78 Kragar

FALLOUT BITCHES!

Spiritual successor to Wasteland.

84 Kragar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:22:17pm

re: #73 Four More Tears

I don't think any game has creeped me out like that. A movie has, though.

Audition...

I stopped the stream when the bag moves and never went back. I'd say that's a compliment.

I forget which one it was, but prior to a character getting killed off, someone in the game would point at them. Right as you reach a certain point, you look into this room for a clue and this stuff bunny which had been knocked over is sitting straight up, covered in blood and is pointing right at you.

Freaked me the fuck out.

Image: nightmareneighborssilen.jpg

85 jamesfirecat  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:23:15pm

Is anybody gonna get mad at me if I say that Earthbound while not defining it's genre was still an amazing example of an RPG?

86 Kragar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:23:52pm

re: #85 jamesfirecat

Is anybody gonna get mad at me if I say that Earthbound while not defining it's genre was still an amazing example of an RPG?

Yes. Get out.
/

87 jamesfirecat  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:24:40pm

re: #84 Kragar

I forget which one it was, but prior to a character getting killed off, someone in the game would point at them. Right as you reach a certain point, you look into this room for a clue and this stuff bunny which had been knocked over is sitting straight up, covered in blood and is pointing right at you.

Freaked me the fuck out.

Image: nightmareneighborssilen.jpg

Silent Hill Four The Room (So Pyramid Head, hows you're sex life?) pretty sure.

88 Four More Tears  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:25:06pm

re: #85 jamesfirecat

Is anybody gonna get mad at me if I say that Earthbound while not defining it's genre was still an amazing example of an RPG?

Oh! The abortion game! I've heard of it but never played. Read about it on Cracked.

89 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:25:11pm

Freespace...that is all.

90 Kragar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:25:11pm

re: #87 jamesfirecat

Silent Hill Four The Room (So Pyramid Head, hows you're sex life?) pretty sure.

Sounds right.

91 Four More Tears  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:25:44pm

re: #89 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Freespace...that is all.

TIE Fighter.

I win.

92 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:25:55pm

re: #84 Kragar

I forget which one it was, but prior to a character getting killed off, someone in the game would point at them. Right as you reach a certain point, you look into this room for a clue and this stuff bunny which had been knocked over is sitting straight up, covered in blood and is pointing right at you.

Freaked me the fuck out.

Image: nightmareneighborssilen.jpg

Oh hell no.

93 Four More Tears  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:26:31pm

re: #88 Four More Tears

Oh! The abortion game! I've heard of it but never played. Read about it on Cracked.

[Link: www.cracked.com...]

94 Kragar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:26:50pm

re: #91 Four More Tears

TIE Fighter.

I win.

Challenge accepted.

WING COMMANDER!

ITS SUPER EFFECTIVE!

95 Targetpractice  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:27:18pm

Played a lot of games where they seemed to revel in jump scares. And that just doesn't do it for me. Atmosphere is really the key game mechanic if you wanna freak me the fuck out. See also: Dunwich Building.

96 Four More Tears  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:27:38pm

re: #94 Kragar

Challenge accepted.

WING COMMANDER!

ITS SUPER EFFECTIVE!

Come back when you know what you're talking about.

97 Four More Tears  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:28:01pm

re: #95 Targetpractice

Played a lot of games where they seemed to revel in jump scares. And that just doesn't do it for me. Atmosphere is really the key game mechanic if you wanna freak me the fuck out. See also: Dunwich Building.

Oh, Silent Hill has atmosphere up the ass.

98 Four More Tears  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:28:46pm
99 Kragar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:29:47pm

re: #96 Four More Tears

Come back when you know what you're talking about.

Heart of the Tiger, biznitch, Heart of the Tiger.

BOOM! HEADSHOT!

100 Four More Tears  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:30:29pm
101 darthstar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:31:37pm
102 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:32:16pm

Love this restaurant review:

Did panic grip your soul as you stared into the whirling hypno wheel of the menu, where adjectives and nouns spin in a crazy vortex? When you saw the burger described as “Guy’s Pat LaFrieda custom blend, all-natural Creekstone Farm Black Angus beef patty, LTOP (lettuce, tomato, onion + pickle), SMC (super-melty-cheese) and a slathering of Donkey Sauce on garlic-buttered brioche,” did your mind touch the void for a minute?

...

Why is one of the few things on your menu that can be eaten without fear or regret — a lunch-only sandwich of chopped soy-glazed pork with coleslaw and cucumbers — called a Roasted Pork Bahn Mi, when it resembles that item about as much as you resemble Emily Dickinson?

...

What accounts for the vast difference between the Donkey Sauce recipe you’ve published and the Donkey Sauce in your restaurant? Why has the hearty, rustic appeal of roasted-garlic mayonnaise been replaced by something that tastes like Miracle Whip with minced raw garlic?

And when we hear the words Donkey Sauce, which part of the donkey are we supposed to think about?

Is the entire restaurant a very expensive piece of conceptual art? Is the shapeless, structureless baked alaska that droops and slumps and collapses while you eat it, or don’t eat it, supposed to be a representation in sugar and eggs of the experience of going insane?

Why did the toasted marshmallow taste like fish?

103 Kragar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:32:44pm

re: #101 darthstar

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He doesn't need his opinion cluttered up by facts.

104 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:32:50pm

Where the hell is my gift for voting for Obama?!?!?!

105 Kragar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:34:01pm

re: #104 Varek Raith

Where the hell is my gift for voting for Obama?!?!?!

Word is you'll be getting your very own demon shortly.

106 darthstar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:34:13pm

re: #103 Kragar

He doesn't need his opinion cluttered up by facts.

Well, in McCain's defense, there were no cameras rolling to show how awesome he is.

107 Lidane  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:34:46pm

re: #94 Kragar

Challenge accepted.

WING COMMANDER!

ITS SUPER EFFECTIVE!

Unless you're talking about the Wing Commander movie. That sucked.

108 Targetpractice  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:36:02pm

re: #105 Kragar

Word is you'll be getting your very own demon shortly.

Has Beelzebub put him aside for me?

//

109 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:36:09pm

re: #84 Kragar

OK, I favorited that for the bunny!

110 Kragar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:36:53pm

re: #107 Lidane

Unless you're talking about the Wing Commander movie. That sucked.

I'm waiting for the Uwe Boll version.
/

111 Four More Tears  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:38:11pm

...

This is one reason I hate platforms that don't allow for multiple sources for apps.

112 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:38:12pm

re: #102 goddamnedfrank

Um, did you eat there?
Enquiring minds want to know!

113 Targetpractice  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:38:35pm

re: #110 Kragar

I'm waiting for the Uwe Boll version.
/

Why, because you enjoy the pleasure of ripping your own hair out in utter frustration?

114 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:40:01pm

re: #104 Varek Raith

Where the hell is my gift for voting for Obama?!?!?!

Here you go...

[proton torpedo streaks into the exhaust port of Varek's Death Star.]

[BOOOMM!!]

115 Targetpractice  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:41:05pm

Was that the Death Star parked in low Earth orbit?

116 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:41:13pm

re: #101 darthstar

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What a grandstanding douchebag.

117 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:41:44pm

re: #115 Targetpractice

Was that the Death Star parked in low Earth orbit?

No, it was in high orbit.

118 Kragar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:42:17pm

re: #117 Dark_Falcon

No, it was in high orbit.

You've still killed us all, thanks.

119 jaunte  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:42:54pm

re: #104 Varek Raith

Where the hell is my gift for voting for Obama?!?!?!

Here it is; you'll have to pick it up just north of I-40, east of Flagstaff.
Image: roadsidegift.jpg

120 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:43:35pm

re: #118 Kragar

You've still killed us all, thanks.

Oops.

121 Kragar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:44:11pm

EXCLUSIVE: Karl Rove’s Crossroads GPS Never Filed Legally Required Registration

When Karl Rove’s Crossroads Grassroots Policy Strategies (GPS) formed in 2010, it established its official address in Warrenton, VA, and registered with the Internal Revenue Service a tax-exempt 501(c)(4) “social welfare organization.” It apparently did not, however, register as a charitable organization with the Commonwealth of Virginia, as appears was legally required.
...
While the group’s federal tax filings and registration with the District of Columbia indicate that it is a Virginia corporation — and Crossroads GPS did apparently register with the state’s corporation commission — the Office of Charitable and Regulatory Programs confirmed to ThinkProgress that no entity named Crossroads GPS or Crossroads Grassroots Policy Strategies has ever registered to solicit contributions in Virginia. Additionally, no entity with the tax identification number listed on Crossroads GPS’s tax filings has ever registered with the agency.

122 jamesfirecat  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:46:17pm

re: #121 Kragar

EXCLUSIVE: Karl Rove’s Crossroads GPS Never Filed Legally Required Registration

Sound likes Rove have better already his booked his plane trip to Rio...

123 BongCrodny  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:46:21pm

re: #104 Varek Raith

Where the hell is my gift for voting for Obama?!?!?!

I already got my gift.

Mitt Romney won't be anywhere near Washington, D.C. on January 20, 2013

124 Interesting Times  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:49:53pm

re: #122 jamesfirecat

Sound likes Rove have better already his booked his plane trip to Rio...

Would he have a traveling companion?

125 Kragar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:50:25pm

re: #122 jamesfirecat

Sound likes Rove have better already his booked his plane trip to Rio...

Conservative Megadonors Have Spent Week Yelling At Their Money

126 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:52:10pm

So did anyone else get re: #102 goddamnedfrank

Love this restaurant review:

So what are they trying to say? They didn't like it or something?

///

127 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:52:39pm

re: #124 Interesting Times

Would he have a traveling companion?

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Bit cheap. She was well regarded after her book came out, bathed in Gen. Petraeus' reflected glow. Now of course, such images carry the slight stink of The Other Woman.

128 Kragar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:54:20pm

re: #127 Dark_Falcon

Bit cheap. She was well regarded after her book came out, bathed in Gen. Petraeus' reflected glow. Now of course, such images carry the slight stink of The Other Woman.

Widening Petraeus Scandal Reveals Human Race Has Been Having Sex For 200,000 Years

“While the situation appeared at first to be limited to this one sexual relationship between Gen. Petraeus and Ms. Broadwell, we see now that it is far more extensive than we had initially believed,” said an FBI official who spoke on condition of anonymity due to the ongoing investigation. “Indeed, evidence shows Gen. Petraeus is, in fact, just one of literally billions of human beings who we now believe have on numerous occasions engaged in sexual intercourse over the last several hundred millennia.”

“No matter how far back we go, we just continue to find more and more corroborating proof of people having sex,” the official added. “There’s simply no end in sight.”

129 Bubblehead II  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:55:06pm

Night Lizards. See you in the A.M

130 jaunte  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:55:54pm

re: #102 goddamnedfrank

did your mind touch the void for a minute?

Definitely stealing that.

131 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:58:34pm

re: #120 Dark_Falcon

Oops.

All according to plan.

132 Four More Tears  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 7:59:20pm

re: #127 Dark_Falcon

Bit cheap. She was well regarded after her book came out, bathed in Gen. Petraeus' reflected glow. Now of course, such images carry the slight stink of The Other Woman.

For someone who's always literal, you picked a weird time to get all poetic...

133 dragonfire1981  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:02:35pm

re: #132 Four More Tears

For someone who's always literal, you picked a weird time to get all poetic...

On that note, I'd like to share this poem I wrote earlier today that is completely UNrelated to the Petraeus scandal:

Glory

You may be a little tattered but your colors still shine bright,
and I always know you're guarding me, be it day or night.
You served to fill each of our hearts with patriotic pride,
and adorned a thousand marching men, rifles by their side.

With honor they will defend you, until their last heroic breath.
For to them the choice is clear: Give me freedom or give me death.
Thought it was hardly ever easy and some never made it back,
there was never a lack of bravery in the wake of a fresh attack.

So as I look upon this pole, to the flag strong and brimming red,
I feel my spirit swell for the living...and my heart weep for the dead.
But as long as your are up there, blowing strong against the sky,
In our minds and in our hearts, Freedom cannot die.

.....

134 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:04:08pm

re: #132 Four More Tears

For someone who's always literal, you picked a weird time to get all poetic...

Eh, that happens.

135 dragonath  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:10:12pm
136 Kragar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:11:24pm

re: #135 dragonath

Barbour: GOP needs a 'proctology exam'

Image: kramer036.jpg

They're going to need a bigger glove.

137 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:22:11pm

If Mitt fundraises less than $65,000 a day, he will blow up. Didn't you guys see the movie?

138 Joanne  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:24:06pm
139 jaunte  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:24:33pm

Krauthammer the Great part whatever

Forget it he’s rolling. It hasn’t been easy figuring out how the downfall of General David Petraeus was masterminded by the President. We know it came after he told Al Qaeda to kill whomever they like, wherever they like, whenever they like, in a horrific manner and on digital media preferably, thanks. But to the untrained eye, Broadwell and Benghazi appear unrelated. Enter Charles Krauthammer’s foxy eyes:

140 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:24:36pm

re: #137 SanFranciscoZionist

If Mitt fundraises less than $65,000 a day, he will blow up. Didn't you guys see the movie?

Seems legit.

141 EPR-radar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:27:13pm

re: #135 dragonath

Barbour: GOP needs a 'proctology exam'

Image: kramer036.jpg

Oddly appropriate, given that Romney should disappear up his own rectum in shame at his behavior over the past few years.

142 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:28:00pm

re: #141 EPR-radar

Oddly appropriate, given that Romney should disappear up his own rectum in shame at his behavior over the past few years.

Sorry, but he doesn't swing that way. :)

143 EPR-radar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:29:29pm

re: #142 Dark_Falcon

Sorry, but he doesn't swing that way. :)

I didn't know "topological impossibility" was an orientation...

144 jaunte  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:29:48pm

re: #135 dragonath

"The ground game is really important, and we have to be, I mean we've got to give our political organizational activity a very serious..." he said, taking a pause and looking for the right word. "Proctology exam. We need to look everywhere."

"Haley, the good ideas ain't up there."

145 EPR-radar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:31:36pm

re: #63 Four More Tears

Eh. FF defined JRPGs.

I have absolutely no twitch reflex, and I like my RPGs to be story-driven. So, I'm a little bit familiar with JRPGs, and almost completely clueless about everything else.

146 Joanne  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:32:01pm

This stuff gives me heart palpitations. My heart started thumping so hard I thought I was having a heart attack. I can drink it in two gulps but not one. I'm thinking I'm gonna pass on that from now on.

147 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:32:16pm

re: #137 SanFranciscoZionist

If Mitt fundraises less than $65,000 a day, he will blow up. Didn't you guys see the movie?

I thought God would call him home if he didn't raise a million by next week.

Oh.

Wrong quack.

148 BongCrodny  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:34:22pm

re: #135 dragonath

Barbour: GOP needs a 'proctology exam'

Image: kramer036.jpg

Governor Barbour?

Your party's heads are up their collective asses.

Diagnosis complete.

149 Kragar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:34:43pm

re: #146 Joanne

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This stuff gives me heart palpitations. My heart started thumping so hard I thought I was having a heart attack. I can drink it in two gulps but not one. I'm thinking I'm gonna pass on that from now on.

Well... fuck

150 freetoken  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:36:49pm

re: #146 Joanne

Not very impressed with the story linked, but, yeah, taking massive doses of stimulants - what could possibly go wrong?

151 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:37:06pm

re: #144 jaunte

"Haley, the good ideas ain't up there."

You would think they had already learned that after losing the election.
Well I guess it's after first you don't succeed, try again.
//

152 Kragar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:38:42pm

Ron Paul: 'Our Constitution Has Failed'

In a sprawling, 52-minute speech to the House chamber, Paul lambasted U.S. government, politicians and special interests, declaring that the U.S. people must return to virtue before the government allows them to be free, and that the Constitution has failed to limit the scope of an authoritarian bureaucracy.

"Our Constitution, which was intended to limit government power and abuse, has failed," Paul said. "The Founders warned that a free society depends on a virtuous and moral people. The current crisis reflects that their concerns were justified."

For the retiring Republican, 77, the "current crisis" isn't quite what it is for other members of Congress, who routinely use that word to describe the economic recession that followed the 2008 financial crash. To the Texas Republican, that's part of it, but the causes are deeper, and it's also a crisis of governmental authoritarianism and the vanishing of personal liberty.

153 Targetpractice  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:39:42pm

re: #152 Kragar

Ron Paul: 'Our Constitution Has Failed'

It's gonna be an absolute shame when he's gone. I'm gonna miss him...not.

154 Ben G. Hazi  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:40:03pm

re: #152 Kragar

Ron Paul: 'Our Constitution Has Failed'

QQ some more, Ron.

Too bad that you couldn't take your execrable son with you...

155 Joanne  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:42:24pm

re: #144 jaunte

"Haley, the good ideas ain't up there."

It's all the GOP has. They're always pulling stuff out of their asses.

156 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:42:50pm

re: #153 Targetpractice

It's gonna be an absolute shame when he's gone. I'm gonna miss him...not.

Why is he wearing a lei?

157 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:43:48pm

re: #156 SanFranciscoZionist

Why is he wearing a lei?

Wishing Congress "Aloha"?

158 Joanne  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:46:14pm

re: #150 freetoken

Not very impressed with the story linked, but, yeah, taking massive doses of stimulants - what could possibly go wrong?

I'd never have thought that a 1 or 2 ounce bottle of anything (short of amyl nitrate) could do that to a grown adult body.

159 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:46:41pm

re: #156 SanFranciscoZionist

Why is he wearing a leilay?

160 Joanne  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:48:23pm

re: #156 SanFranciscoZionist

Why is he wearing a lei?

Rubbing Obama's non-birthplace in everybody's faces? /

161 Joanne  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:50:12pm
162 jaunte  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:51:19pm

re: #152 Kragar

"The Founders warned that a free society depends on a virtuous and moral people. The current crisis reflects that their concerns were justified."

Ron Paul, another sore loser complaining about the refs.

163 Joanne  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:54:00pm
164 jaunte  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:54:29pm
"Restraining aggressive behavior is one thing, but legalizing a government monopoly for initiating aggression can only lead to exhausting liberty associated with chaos, anger and the breakdown of civil society," Paul said.

Privatize the initiation of aggression, for freedom!

165 EPR-radar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:58:18pm

re: #164 jaunte

Privatize the initiation of aggression, for freedom!

Naturally. Libertarians have to go through incredible logical contortions if they want to avoid the conclusion that society and all within it should belong to whoever hired the most effective private army.

166 geoduck  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:59:38pm

re: #136 Kragar

They're going to need a bigger glove.

Well, someone needs a job..
Image: romney-fudge.jpg

167 Joanne  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 8:59:58pm
168 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:16:18pm

re: #121 Kragar

EXCLUSIVE: Karl Rove’s Crossroads GPS Never Filed Legally Required Registration

Sheesh, he couldn't even follow the already nearly nonexistent and hole filled rules governing super PACS. That like getting a speeding ticket on the Autobahn.

You had 400 million dollars, Karl. You could have afforded a competent lawyer to set it up for you.

169 Kragar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:22:29pm

Support Gay marriage or we'll marry your girlfriend

[Link: www.collegehumor.com...]

170 Henchman Ghazi-808  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:23:43pm

Does this mean stupid Facebook posts from Ron Paul will be over?

I can only hope...

171 engineer cat  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:25:57pm

re: #152 Kragar

Ron Paul: 'Our Constitution Has Failed'

the wingnut future calls for the recession to get much worse, inflation and unemployment to go through the roof, and medicare and social security to be unfinanceable soon because of a massive and unmanageable federal debt

we'll see

if this wingnut book of revelations fails to come to pass, how 'failed' will we be then?

172 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:26:24pm

re: #160 Joanne

Rubbing Obama's non-birthplace in everybody's faces? /

My husband and I, and our parents, wore those flowers at our wedding. Husband grew up in Hawaii. His folks brought them out when they flew over.

I don't know what they're called.

173 Kragar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:27:12pm

Warning: not a parody

Most Powerful Weapon on Earth

174 Targetpractice  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:31:00pm

re: #173 Kragar

Warning: not a parody

Most Powerful Weapon on Earth

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Aw, I thought when it was saying the most powerful weapon on Earth, it was gonna be a video of Tsar Bomba.

175 Henchman Ghazi-808  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:33:05pm

re: #172 SanFranciscoZionist

My husband and I, and our parents, wore those flowers at our wedding. Husband grew up in Hawaii. His folks brought them out when they flew over.

I don't know what they're called.

That's a common orchid lei. Hard to get in Texas.

176 Kragar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:33:35pm

re: #174 Targetpractice

Aw, I thought when it was saying the most powerful weapon on Earth, it was gonna be a video of Tsar Bomba.

I'VE GOT A SPIRITUAL AMMO BELT THAT WILL PIERCE YOUR HEART WITH CHRIST'S LOVE, YOU BASTARD!

177 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:36:23pm

re: #175 Kronocide

Dendrobium flowers, mostly grown in Thailand.
Make great necklaces!

178 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:43:05pm

Sorry posting has been so light from me tonight. I've been working hard to prep and paint minis for a game I am running on Saturday. I'll put up some photos once the game is done, but right now its my biggest non-job search thing. The interviews I've had and still have this week command first priority, and I allow no gaming activity to interfere with them, though. I know what really matters.

179 Kragar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:44:24pm

re: #178 Dark_Falcon

The Elder Scrolls Online Introduction Video

180 Kragar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:49:27pm

Trivia time:

The word fascinate derives from Latin fascinum and the related verb fascinare, "to use the power of the fascinus,"

What is the fascinus you might ask? That would be the Roman term for the divine phallus.

Fascinating (AKA "check out my dong.")

181 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:54:00pm

Weird, apparently the FBI agent who sent shirtless pics of himself to Jill Kelley is the guy who plays Dean Pelton on Community.

182 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:56:35pm

re: #180 Kragar

Trivia time:

The word fascinate derives from Latin fascinum and the related verb fascinare, "to use the power of the fascinus,"

What is the fascinus you might ask? That would be the Roman term for the divine phallus.

Fascinating (AKA "check out my dong.")

Put your pants back on, Kragar.

183 Kragar  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:57:14pm

re: #182 Dark_Falcon

Put your pants back on, Kragar.

I AM IMMENSE AND IMMORTAL!

184 austin_blue  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:59:48pm

It's F1 fever in Austin! I'm expecting an absolute omnishambles with traffic. Working tomorrow, but taking Friday off because I don't even want to attempt to deal with the mayhem. It's the invasion of skinny jeans, tight shirts, bad dentistry, and Gauloises.

"Your city is very quaint. We will dance now."

185 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 9:59:51pm

re: #183 Kragar

I AM IMMENSE AND IMMORTAL!

Sure you are... [launches nuke]

186 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:00:56pm

re: #184 austin_blue

It's F1 fever in Austin! I'm expecting an absolute omnishambles with traffic. Working tomorrow, but taking Friday off because I don't even want to attempt to deal with the mayhem. It's the invasion of skinny jeans, tight shirts, bad dentistry, and Gauloises.

"Your city is very quaint. We will dance now."

Some of the Phelps family is headed your way, or so its been posted. Any plans to annoy America's Troll Family?

187 austin_blue  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:04:35pm

re: #186 Dark_Falcon

Some of the Phelps family is headed your way, or so its been posted. Any plans to annoy America's Troll Family?

They may show, they may not. If I see them, someone is getting punched in the nose. Evil, vile humanoids.

188 Pip's Squeak  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:05:20pm

re: #184 austin_blue

It's F1 fever in Austin! I'm expecting an absolute omnishambles with traffic. Working tomorrow, but taking Friday off because I don't even want to attempt to deal with the mayhem. It's the invasion of skinny jeans, tight shirts, bad dentistry, and Gauloises.

What's F1? Football 1? What is this?

189 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:05:38pm

re: #187 austin_blue

They may show, they may not. If I see them, someone is getting punched in the nose. Evil, vile humanoids.

A good number of them are female. I know you wouldn't hit a woman.

190 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:06:16pm

re: #188 Pip's Squeak

What's F1? Football 1? What is this?

Formula 1 racing. Like the Indy 500.

191 Pip's Squeak  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:06:51pm

re: #190 Dark_Falcon

Thanks

192 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:15:27pm

re: #190 Dark_Falcon

With left AND right turns.

193 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:34:50pm

Good Night, All.

194 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:34:53pm

re: #180 Kragar

Trivia time:

The word fascinate derives from Latin fascinum and the related verb fascinare, "to use the power of the fascinus,"

What is the fascinus you might ask? That would be the Roman term for the divine phallus.

Fascinating (AKA "check out my dong.")

Puts a slightly different spin on this:

195 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:39:40pm

re: #180 Kragar

Fascinating (AKA "check out my dong.")

Check out my divine dong!

My ex used to get annoyed when I would stand naked in in the mornings in front of our fourth-floor window, which faced downtown, and shout "Eat this, Frankfurt!"

196 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:40:08pm

Hrmmm ...

Paula Broadwell, the author who allegedly had an affair with former CIA Director David Petraeus, is suspected of storing significant amounts of military documents, including classified material, at her home, potentially in violation of federal law.

A source familiar with case told ABC News that Broadwell admitted to the FBI she took the documents from secure government buildings. The government demanded that they all be given back, and when federal agents descended on her North Carolina home on Monday night it was a pre-arranged meeting.

Prosecutors are now determining whether to charge Broadwell with a crime, and this morning the FBI and military are poring over the material. The 40-year-old author, who wrote the biography on Gen. Petraeus "All In," is cooperating and the case, which is complicated by the fact that as an intelligence officer in the U.S. Military Reserve she had security clearance to review the documents.

The FBI found classified material on a computer voluntarily handed over by Broadwell earlier in the investigation. Prosecutors will now have to determine how important the classified material is before making a final decision. Authorities could decide to seek disciplinary action against her rather than pursue charges.

197 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:40:28pm

re: #190 Dark_Falcon

Formula 1 racing. Like the Indy 500.

No, it's like Indy for Euroweenies, I believe that Westboro Baptist guy is all out protesting it.

198 engineer cat  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 10:50:55pm

sleep my little romney, sleep
nobody will reach out to you anymore with grubby, importunate fingers
no more rude questions from People Who Don't Know
no more Leadership
sleep now, just dreamless sleep

sleep safe behind your sturdy wall of money
know only quiet voices and deference
dreamless sleep, because you have dreamed all your dreams up
what is there left for you to dream, my little romney?
will you write a book about the emptyness?
build houses for the ungrateful multitude with your bare hands?
i thought not

where is there for you to rest?
only too-soft beds of needing nothing, wanting nothing, and having nothing left to strive for
an esquisitely upholstered hell

please surprise us, romney, and build a worthy mountain to climb, a noble thought that, succeed or fail
will let us think of you without shaking our heads at the pointlessness of it all

199 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 11:05:54pm

re: #198 engineer cat

Yunno, I did not even dislike Mitt Romney until he started running for president. Heck, had I lived in Massachusetts in 2002 I woulda considered voting for him, he belonged to a now nearly extinct breed of moderate Republicans.

200 Ben G. Hazi  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 11:11:44pm

re: #199 Sol Berdinowitz

Yunno, I did not even dislike Mitt Romney until he started running for president. Heck, had I lived in Massachusetts in 2002 I woulda considered voting for him, he belonged to a now nearly extinct breed of moderate Republicans.

And it was all a lie.

201 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 11:15:21pm

re: #200 Ben G. Hazi

And it was all a lie.

Look at his record back then, it was still conservative on a lot of issues, but he instituted health care and supported women's right to choose. Those were issues that would have caused me to at least consider him as a candidate in 2002...

202 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 11:15:50pm

Could somebody tell me what the blue fuck this is supposed to mean?

I mean, I get the broad strokes, but what exactly does this person think they're saying?

203 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 11:22:16pm

re: #202 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

Could somebody tell me what the blue fuck this is supposed to mean?

I mean, I get the broad strokes, but what exactly does this person think they're saying?

Benghazi!

204 freetoken  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 12:30:15am

re: #203 Sol Berdinowitz

Benghazi!

That's BENGHAZI!!!!!!!!!!

205 freetoken  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 12:34:15am

For our overnight flight, some Taneyev, the second part of his "After reading the Psalm":

206 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 12:43:23am

re: #204 freetoken

That's BENGHAZI!!!!!!!!!!

BENGHAZI!!!!11111!!!!1!!!TY

207 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 12:46:33am

The GOP had a chance to try and stop this, now it is beyond anyone's control:

Georgia GOPers hold meeting over Obama mind-control conspiracy

"Searcy also says that Obama, local chambers of commerce and liberal groups will try to accomplish this through a form of mind-control:

They do that by a process known as the Delphi technique. The Delphi technique was developed by the Rand Corporation during the Cold War as a mind-control technique. It’s also known as “consensive process.” But basically the goal of the Delphi technique is to lead a targeted group of people to a pre-determined outcome while keeping the illusion of being open to public input."

Duh. What else is our election process about except "leading a targeted group of people to a pre-determined outcome while keeping the illusion of being open to public input"?

208 researchok  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 12:48:47am

Morning, all

209 Kragar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 12:52:27am

re: #207 Sol Berdinowitz

Fascinating*

210 researchok  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 12:56:27am

re: #205 freetoken

There really is something to religiously inspired music.

I was looking for the right word- all I can come up with is ethereal.

211 engineer cat  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 12:59:32am

The Delphi technique was developed by the Rand Corporation during the Cold War as a mind-control technique

wiksterpedia

The Delphi method is a structured communication technique, originally developed as a systematic, interactive forecasting method which relies on a panel of experts.

In the standard version, the experts answer questionnaires in two or more rounds. After each round, a facilitator provides an anonymous summary of the experts’ forecasts from the previous round as well as the reasons they provided for their judgments. Thus, experts are encouraged to revise their earlier answers in light of the replies of other members of their panel. It is believed that during this process the range of the answers will decrease and the group will converge towards the "correct" answer. Finally, the process is stopped after a pre-defined stop criterion (e.g. number of rounds, achievement of consensus, stability of results) and the mean or median scores of the final rounds determine the results.

Other versions, such as the Policy Delphi, have been designed for normative and explorative use, particularly in the area of social policy and public health. In Europe, more recent web-based experiments have used the Delphi method as a communication technique for interactive decision-making and e-democracy.

Delphi is based on the principle that forecasts (or decisions) from a structured group of individuals are more accurate than those from unstructured groups. This has been indicated with the term "collective intelligence". The technique can also be adapted for use in face-to-face meetings, and is then called mini-Delphi or Estimate-Talk-Estimate (ETE). Delphi has been widely used for business forecasting and has certain advantages over another structured forecasting approach, prediction markets.

rand corporation

RAND developed the Delphi method in the 1950s, originally to forecast the impact of technology on warfare. The method entails a group of experts who anonymously reply to questionnaires and subsequently receive feedback in the form of a statistical representation of the "group response," after which the process repeats itself. The goal is to reduce the range of responses and arrive at something closer to expert consensus. The Delphi Method has been widely adopted and is still in use today.

which universe to live in. such a difficult choice!

212 Kragar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 1:05:02am

re: #210 researchok

There really is something to religiously inspired music.

I was looking for the right word- all I can come up with is ethereal.

Ave maria - Chris Cornell 1997

213 Amory Blaine  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 1:21:02am

As Benghazi As It Gets

Being Benghazi Malkovich

The Big Benghazi

The Benghazi Syndrome

The Wizard Of Banghazi

A Clockwork Benghazi

Hey I missed all the fun so there!!!

214 researchok  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 1:24:18am

re: #212 Kragar

Outstanding.

Really, really works

215 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 1:53:03am

The Benghazificent Seven

216 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 2:11:32am

Lawrence of Benghazi

217 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 2:11:46am

Benghazi at Tiffany's

218 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 2:42:41am

re: #213 Amory Blaine

The Curious Case of Benghazi Button

Benghazi Danny Rose

The Discreet Charm of the Benghazi

Murder on the Benghazi Express

A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Benghazi

Au Hasard Benghazi

The Unbearable Lightness of Benghazi

Big Deal on Benghazi Street

219 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 2:50:05am

Benghazi Hall

220 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 3:26:49am

Benghazi Hur

221 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 3:31:56am

Looking for Mr Goodbenghazi

222 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 3:48:52am

The Untouchabenghazis

Silence of the Benghazis

Benghazidoon

Fiddler on the Benghazi

Man of La Benghazi

223 Flounder  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 4:09:38am

An informative story about the Schoharie flood in upstate NY and the perils and pitfalls of actually having flood insurance.
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
If you read it to the end, they ended up buying a different house with the insurance money they fought very hard to collect.

224 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 4:38:30am

1 degree of separation: the Israelis who were killed in Kiryat Malachi by Hamas rocket, were neighbors of my daughter-in-law. She grew up there.

225 Flounder  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 4:48:59am

I just wanted to be able to post: the hostess with the mostest!
[Link: www.usatoday.com...]
I am already tired of this "scandal".

226 Flounder  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 4:50:19am

Coffee, tea, or me!

227 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 4:51:13am

BRYAN SUCKS SO HARD

228 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 4:52:43am

Morning Honcos. How do I change my nic? I forget.

229 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 4:53:44am

re: #227 Vicious Babushka

BRYAN SUCKS SO HARD

Nothing the government does with a millionaire's dollar is better for the economy than what the millionaire does with it.

Like shutting down domestic plants and outsourcing them to China?

230 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 4:54:47am

re: #228 Cannadian Club Akbar

Morning Honcos. How do I change my nic? I forget.

open your account, there is a window for your "display name". Change it to "I Blow Goats (He has proof)"

231 Flounder  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 4:55:06am

Click on your nicpic CCA?
I can't do it on my work computer.

232 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 4:55:09am

re: #229 Sol Berdinowitz

Like shutting down domestic plants and outsourcing them to China?

Like stashing all those dollars in the Caymans?

233 Flounder  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 4:55:31am

Yeah, what Sol said

234 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 4:57:40am

K

235 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 5:03:19am

A quick congrats to David Price of the Tampa Bay Rays for winning the Cy Young award.

236 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 5:05:47am

From the "Are you fucking kidding me?" file:
Fla. homeless man arrested for charging phone in park, accused of theft
The sergeant told Kersey that the "theft of city utilities will not be tolerated during this bad economy" and then arrested him on a misdemeanor charge of theft of utilities.
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

237 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 5:25:25am

Sources: Colo. man plotted to kill children, president
[Link: www.9news.com...]

238 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 5:30:40am

re: #236 Honorary Consul General

From the "Are you fucking kidding me?" file:
Fla. homeless man arrested for charging phone in park, accused of theft
The sergeant told Kersey that the "theft of city utilities will not be tolerated during this bad economy" and then arrested him on a misdemeanor charge of theft of utilities.
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

The real charge was Grand Raggedness and Attempt to Be Poor.

239 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 5:33:40am

re: #236 Honorary Consul General

From the "Are you fucking kidding me?" file:
Fla. homeless man arrested for charging phone in park, accused of theft
The sergeant told Kersey that the "theft of city utilities will not be tolerated during this bad economy" and then arrested him on a misdemeanor charge of theft of utilities.
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

I think the policeman was upset at him for having an Obamaphone...

240 Joanne  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 5:37:19am

re: #236 Honorary Consul General

From the "Are you fucking kidding me?" file:
Fla. homeless man arrested for charging phone in park, accused of theft
The sergeant told Kersey that the "theft of city utilities will not be tolerated during this bad economy" and then arrested him on a misdemeanor charge of theft of utilities.
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

Ah, Florida...where one town made it illegal to feed the homeless.

241 Flounder  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 5:37:26am

Florida wants homeless to charge their cell phones in the park, why put electrical outlets there? Just for hair dryers and curling irons?
Entrapment?!

242 Stephen T.  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 5:38:05am

GOP chairman Charlie Webster to investigate ‘black people’ voting as potential fraud

This is not a dog whistle. This is not Dixie. This is the GOP.

243 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 5:39:46am

I know we always say this to the RWNJs as a joke but I never, ever, expected anyone to take it seriously...

My Son Asked Me Where We Can Go.

After tonight, I didn't have an answer.

What about Canada dad? I told him 'Sorry, they were socialist too.'

What about Mexico? 'Worse. Corruption from the top down.'

What about Brazil or Argentina dad? 'Comprende? State ownership of all assets.'

Dad, what about Europe? 'HAHAHAHAHA. Good one, kid.'

Russia? 'Oligarchies.'

.... hmmmmm.... he thought.... scratching his chin.

What about Iran? Can we go to Iran dad? 'Its probably our best bet son. The last patch of sunlight left on earth.'

Great job you have done on brainwashing your kid you dirtbag. :(

244 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 5:42:13am

re: #240 Joanne

Ah, Florida...where one town made it illegal to feed the homeless.

Las Vegas Ordinance Makes it Illegal to Feed Homeless in Parks
[Link: www.8newsnow.com...]

245 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 5:43:05am
247 Flounder  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 5:52:01am

Batman shooter makes 'half-hearted' suicide attempts
[Link: www.nypost.com...]

248 Joanne  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 5:52:16am

re: #244 Honorary Consul General

Las Vegas Ordinance Makes it Illegal to Feed Homeless in Parks
[Link: www.8newsnow.com...]

Jesus Christ, don't fucking law officials have anything better to do than worry about homeless people? Heartless fuckers every one.

249 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 5:56:13am

re: #248 Joanne

Jesus Christ, don't fucking law officials have anything better to do than worry about homeless people? Heartless fuckers every one.

Bloomberg Strikes Again: NYC Bans Food Donations To The Homeless
Outlawed are food donations to homeless shelters because the city can’t assess their salt, fat and fiber content, reports CBS 2’s Marcia Kramer.

Glenn Richter arrived at a West Side synagogue on Monday to collect surplus bagels — fresh nutritious bagels — to donate to the poor. However, under a new edict from Bloomberg’s food police he can no longer donate the food to city homeless shelters.
[Link: newyork.cbslocal.com...]

250 darthstar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 5:58:43am

Mornin' gang...

251 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 5:59:04am
252 Flounder  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 5:59:43am

President Obama will be in NYC today to witness Sandy cleanup.
[Link: www.nbcchicago.com...]

253 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:00:35am

re: #249 Honorary Consul General

ANd the winner of the asshole competition: SC Lt. Gov. Compares Poor People to 'Stray Animals'

254 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:02:39am

re: #252 Flounder

He should have a talk with Bloomberg about HCG's #249

255 Flounder  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:04:45am

From the Grapes of Wrath Tom Joad: "Seems like the government's got more interest in a dead man than a live one"

256 BongCrodny  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:05:41am

re: #242 Stephen T.

GOP chairman Charlie Webster to investigate ‘black people’ voting as potential fraud

This is not a dog whistle. This is not Dixie. This is the GOP.

Charlie's a clown, and Maine's Republicans will be much better off with him stepping down -- unless, of course, they double down on the crazy.

Here's an article from the Bangor Daily News last year about Charlie's "investigation" of another "alleged" voting fraud incident, this time by students:

GOP Chairman says university students behind voter fraud

Webster hand-delivered to the Secretary of State’s Office a list with
206 redacted names — all out-of-state students attending public Maine universities last year — and urged the office to determine whether those students voted legally.

(Snip article for brevity)

Rep. Mike Carey, D-Lewiston, who attended Webster’s press conference, also said Webster’s continued search for evidence of fraud contradicts what Secretary of State Charlie Summers has said in the past: Maine elections are well run and instances of fraud are scarce.

Carey further criticized Webster for failing to provide any further details such as: How many of the 206 students named actually voted twice? How many of them registered in Maine on Election Day? How many officially declared primary residency in Maine?

Asked for those specifics, Webster said that he did not have the resources to get that data.

“I only dealt with what was the easiest thing to find,” the GOP chairman said.

It should be noted that Charlie Summers, Maine's Secretary of State and a Republican, conducted an investigation into the matter and found exactly one incident of voting fraud.

In 2002.

257 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:15:18am

re: #248 Joanne

Jesus Christ, don't fucking law officials have anything better to do than worry about homeless people? Heartless fuckers every one.

Don't forget that it was Ronald Raygun who closed all the national mental health hospitals and put all these people out on the streets (or increasingly in jail) in the first place. There used to be facilities to care for people unable to function in society, now they are left to wander the street unless and until they become violent and go to prison or a psychiatric lockdown facility as a criminal.

258 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:16:24am

re: #257 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Don't forget that it Ronald Raygun who closed all the national mental health hospitals and put all these people out on the streets (or increasingly in jail) in the first place. There used to be facilities to care for people unable to function in society, now they are left to wander the street unless and until they become violent and go to prison or a psychiatric lockdown facility to get all that great free struff from the government.

FTFY

/

259 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:24:14am

Good morning lizards!

260 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:24:58am

I am trying to see if I can get one of my Palestinian friends to write a little piece on her frustrations.

I feel the Palestinians don't really get heard much on here, so I think this might be a good thing.

261 darthstar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:25:32am

Best. Restaurant. Review. Ever.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

262 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:27:14am

re: #260 ProGunLiberal

I am trying to see if I can get one of my Palestinian friends to write a little piece on her frustrations.

I feel the Palestinians don't really get heard much on here, so I think this might be a good thing.

I really don't give a shit about her FRUSTRATIONS. A Jewish family (from the same neighborhood where my daughter-in-law was raised) was murdered today because of Hamas FRUSTRATIONS.

263 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:28:12am

Oak tree warning!

Chris Selley: Our kids are living in mortal fear — of oak trees

Donna Giustizia wants the City of Vaughan, Ont., to start chopping down oak trees lest their acorns wind up killing a child who has a severe tree-nut allergy — but more so, she told the National Post’s Sarah Boesveld on Tuesday, so that allergic kids feel safe. And she knows just what you’re thinking. “I’m not a crazy mom,” she told the Toronto Star. “I’m not asking for anything that’s not already there.” She means that the school itself, like all others in Ontario, is peanut-free. Why guard vigilantly against fatal anaphylaxis inside but not out?

Damn good question. Yes, allergists say that mere contact with acorns can’t kill anyone; but that’s the mainstream wisdom on peanuts as well. Yes, children aren’t squirrels, so tend not to eat acorns. But Ms. Giustizia fears they could be bullied into it. And hey, that could happen, right? Just Google “peanut allergy bullying” and read the horror stories.

264 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:28:56am

re: #261 darthstar

The place can't even make Aioli right? Fuck 'em.

265 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:29:48am

re: #262 Vicious Babushka

Assuming that ProGunLiberal's friend isn't a Hamas supporter, that doesn't make much sense. Palestinians get murdered by Hamas too. And they die in reprisal attacks because Hamas fires from civilian locations.

My friend Fouzi has lost two family members over the past six years, one murdered by Hamas, and one dead from an Israeli shelling. He's a philosophical guy and doesn't blame Israel, but he's certainly also frustrated.

Palestinian deaths matter too.

266 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:29:50am

re: #262 Vicious Babushka

I really don't give a shit about her FRUSTRATIONS. A Jewish family (from the same neighborhood where my daughter-in-law was raised) was murdered today because of Hamas FRUSTRATIONS.

267 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:31:18am

re: #262 Vicious Babushka

I really don't give a shit about her FRUSTRATIONS. A Jewish family (from the same neighborhood where my daughter-in-law was raised) was murdered today because of Hamas FRUSTRATIONS.

Hamas is not all the Palestinians, they are a political party. I know you are upset, but please be careful.

268 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:31:36am

re: #262 Vicious Babushka

She feels the exact same way as you.

How do you think the BBC stringer who lost his son feels? Or the others on the Gaza strip who are civilians and have lost family. Palestinians are people too.

269 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:31:58am

re: #263 NJDhockeyfan

You know, I never had heard of peanut allergies until I was about 40 and a teacher. We had a student who was so sensitive he could go in anaphylactic shock from just the smell of peanut butter.

How come I never heard of peanut allergies when I was a kid? Is this a new thing, or was it just under my radar for 40 years?

270 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:32:22am

re: #265 Obdicut

She's waiting for 3rd party to sweep Hamas and Fatah out.

271 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:33:36am

re: #269 wheat-dogghazi

You know, I never had heard of peanut allergies until I was about 40 and a teacher. We had a student who was so sensitive he could go in anaphylactic shock from just the smell of peanut butter.

How come I never heard of peanut allergies when I was a kid? Is this a new thing, or was it just under my radar for 40 years?

Allergies have increased, and probably not just through detection. There's lots of theories, but the main one is that kids are growing up in overly-hygienic environments. When you're not fighting off real infections and parasites, your immune system can get overactive-- which is what an allergy is, an overwrought immune response.

272 Political Atheist  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:34:12am

re: #265 Obdicut

Great post. I'd just add that dialog and understanding is a preface to settling a war like this. Emotions get way high on this topic on any site. Yesterday NJD took some heat for linking a video here that then ran on major media news shows.

People need room to discuss this tough subject without getting shouted down.

273 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:35:13am

re: #271 Obdicut

Allergies have increased, and probably not just through detection. There's lots of theories, but the main one is that kids are growing up in overly-hygienic environments. When you're not fighting off real infections and parasites, your immune system can get overactive-- which is what an allergy is, an overwrought immune response.

It's not that we used to live in filth until recently: most houses were kept tidy, but there were barns and stalls where the kids got exposed to dust and dirt and allergens. And woods and fields to play in.

I remember when this were all fields...

274 darthstar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:35:51am
275 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:36:09am

re: #271 Obdicut

Weird, but it makes sense. I guess I lucked out not having any food allergies at all, but the tree pollen in the Ohio Valley used to lay me flat in May and June.

So, is this why some are also allergic to gluten, too?

276 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:36:49am

EAT MOAR BOOGERS!!!
Nose Picking and the Theory of Eating Nasal Mucus to Help Our Immune Systems
In fact, one particular German doctor suggests not only always cleaning out your nose with your own finger(s), but also pulling pieces of mucus out of your nose and consuming it for good health.
[Link: voices.yahoo.com...]

277 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:37:06am

re: #269 wheat-dogghazi

You know, I never had heard of peanut allergies until I was about 40 and a teacher. We had a student who was so sensitive he could go in anaphylactic shock from just the smell of peanut butter.

How come I never heard of peanut allergies when I was a kid? Is this a new thing, or was it just under my radar for 40 years?

I never heard of it either but it does exist. When I worked at a hotel in Connecticut we had someone come in for dinner one night who was severely allergic to all beans. We were told to not even let a string bean touch anything on the plate or he would go in to convulsions.

Now as far as cutting down oak trees because some kid might force another kid to eat an acorn, that's just plain stupid.

278 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:38:20am

re: #268 ProGunLiberal

She feels the exact same way as you.

How do you think the BBC stringer who lost his son feels? Or the others on the Gaza strip who are civilians and have lost family. Palestinians are people too.

One dead baby on each side. The Magical Balance Fairy is SO HAPPY.

279 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:39:37am

re: #272 Daniel Ballard

Great post. I'd just add that dialog and understanding is a preface to settling a war like this. Emotions get way high on this topic on any site. Yesterday NJD took some heat for linking a video here that then ran on major media news shows.

People need room to discuss this tough subject without getting shouted down.

I just posted a video connected with an IDF tweet. I am expecting more warmonger outrage.

280 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:41:12am

re: #272 Daniel Ballard

I'd definitely rather NJD post IDF videos than videos from raving nutjob anti-semitic lunatics, so that's cool.

However, it is important to remember that the IDF stuff is literally propaganda. I'm kind of uncomfortable with the macho posturing that they've been doing via twitter. It is equally important to remember that no matter how targeted the bomb, how smart the missile, you're going to wind up killing innocents. This isn't an argument against any military action, but it is really important to keep in mind. The brother, mother, sister, wife, friend of someone killed by an Israeli attack, even if they know they were targeting the terrorists, even if they're sober-hearted, is likely to make them more hostile towards Israel, and less believing in the possibility of peace.

I am not a military dude. Figuring out if this sort of attack is a good idea is nigh unto impossible. Obviously Israel just taking rocket attack after rocket attack, Israeli citizens dying is going to provoke a response. I think that Iron Dome is a great thing to showcase because it shows Israelis working to prevent attacks, being defensive. However, I don't have any real hope that this campaign will do more than create a temporary reprieve from rocket attacks, and if it does turn into a ground invasion things could escalate and get very ugly very quickly.

I think the IDF fucked up with that braddadocio tweet, and I really wish they'd keep their statements as clinical and un-posturing as possible. Israel has a right to defend itself, civilian deaths are always going to occur and don't invalidate a military action, but I really think that was a misstep in the propaganda part of the awr.

281 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:42:27am

re: #275 wheat-dogghazi

Weird, but it makes sense. I guess I lucked out not having any food allergies at all, but the tree pollen in the Ohio Valley used to lay me flat in May and June.

So, is this why some are also allergic to gluten, too?

I'm really not an expert on this, I'm just repeating what my wife has said. Here's UCLA's take on it.

[Link: fooddrugallergy.ucla.edu...]

283 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:42:38am

re: #278 Vicious Babushka

Where was I doing an MBF?

I was pointing out the Palestinians in Gaza are going through their own tribulations. And not all Palestinians on the West Bank are Hamas.

284 darthstar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:42:42am

re: #279 NJDhockeyfan

I just posted a video connected with an IDF tweet. I am expecting more warmonger outrage.

I refuse to watch war porn.

285 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:45:20am

Rockets are getting close to Tel Aviv

286 Flounder  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:49:29am

The man who accused Elmo Muppeteer Kevin Clash of having sex with him when he was underage has been identified as a wannabe model with multiple prior arrests — including one for a knifepoint robbery, according to a report.

[Link: www.nypost.com...]
He does have pretty eyes...

287 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:52:28am

re: #281 Obdicut

Thanks. I'll check it tomorrow. Bedtime here now.

288 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:53:47am

re: #286 Flounder

He's already recanted, too.

289 Joanne  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:55:46am

re: #249 Honorary Consul General

Bloomberg Strikes Again: NYC Bans Food Donations To The Homeless
Outlawed are food donations to homeless shelters because the city can’t assess their salt, fat and fiber content, reports CBS 2’s Marcia Kramer.

Glenn Richter arrived at a West Side synagogue on Monday to collect surplus bagels — fresh nutritious bagels — to donate to the poor. However, under a new edict from Bloomberg’s food police he can no longer donate the food to city homeless shelters.
[Link: newyork.cbslocal.com...]

FREEDOM!!!11!

It is far, far better to starve to death than to ingest too much salt.

290 darthstar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:56:02am

Yes, Mitt...McCain is beating you...again.

291 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:56:14am

re: #285 Vicious Babushka

Rockets are getting close to Tel Aviv

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There are also reports that Hamas has some shoulder-launch anti-aircraft missiles in stock. I hope the IDF knows where they are being stored and destroys them.

292 Joanne  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:58:26am

re: #257 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Don't forget that it was Ronald Raygun who closed all the national mental health hospitals and put all these people out on the streets (or increasingly in jail) in the first place. There used to be facilities to care for people unable to function in society, now they are left to wander the street unless and until they become violent and go to prison or a psychiatric lockdown facility as a criminal.

That was what turned me from Reagan and the GOP. That one thing turned me into a raging, die-hard, bleeding heart liberal.

293 darthstar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:00:50am

Some good GawkerWonkette today:

Mitt Romney was lonely. A week after the election, and all anybody was laughing at was Karl Rove and Fox News and Dick Morris and Gallup, and people had kind of forgotten Mitt himself, the onetime standard-bearer of the GOP. Had he himself not shit the bed? Was he not the master of his own destiny? How come nobody was blaming him for the Republican Party smashing itself to pieces? Well, the Tea Party was, but did they even count, with their manmade, unbreathable fabrics and their slipcovered couches? No, for Mitt Romney to be blamed properly, it must be by the Elite, not the anti-government warriors scraping by month to month on their disability checks.

294 Joanne  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:03:19am

re: #269 wheat-dogghazi

You know, I never had heard of peanut allergies until I was about 40 and a teacher. We had a student who was so sensitive he could go in anaphylactic shock from just the smell of peanut butter.

How come I never heard of peanut allergies when I was a kid? Is this a new thing, or was it just under my radar for 40 years?

My husband and I said the same thing. We're both early 50's. Not one person I knew had peanut allergies when I was in school. Him either.

Now, kids are allergic to peanuts, milk, lots of things.

I don't know what changed, but something sure did.

295 darthstar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:03:44am

Happy dog!

296 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:05:18am
297 Joanne  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:05:19am

re: #271 Obdicut

Allergies have increased, and probably not just through detection. There's lots of theories, but the main one is that kids are growing up in overly-hygienic environments. When you're not fighting off real infections and parasites, your immune system can get overactive-- which is what an allergy is, an overwrought immune response.

I grew up with old steam radiators which collected dust. We had a relatively clean house, nothing like an eat-off-the-floor thing, but those radiators were always dusty (one was about three feet long with many "spirals") and I am allergic to dust.

Only one real-life thing, but there you have it/ :-)

298 Joanne  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:06:13am

re: #274 darthstar

Image: 14328_554851364544321_1265021601_n.jpg

Is that Bob Siurat (sic)?

299 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:06:53am

re: #280 Obdicut

Every action has an unequal and opposite reaction when humans are involved. Everything that happens in this situation helps to self-reinforce the two-way hatred. Rockets fired into Israel, Israel responds with missile strikes or military action, innocent collateral casualties happen, which reinforce the hatred, and the loop continues.

You can equally apply what you said to America's situation: it seems like every time a terrorist is blown up by a flying death toy, there is collateral damage in the form of innocent people. That reinforces their hatred of us, at which some point will lead to an act of "terror," which will reinforce our hatred of them, meaning more people get blown up, and the cycle repeats itself.

There will most likely never be an end to any of it. Not until somebody decides to proverbially "turn the other cheek."

300 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:07:58am

Man Cut Almost All of Girlfriend's Nose Off: Police
A man was arrested for cutting almost all of his girlfriend's nose off after she refused to have sex with him, Fort Lauderdale Police said.
[Link: www.nbcmiami.com...]

301 Mich-again  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:10:00am

re: #299 Ghost of Tom Joad

Every action has an unequal and opposite reaction when humans are involved. Everything that happens in this situation helps to self-reinforce the two-way hatred. Rockets fired into Israel, Israel responds with missile strikes or military action, innocent collateral casualties happen, which reinforce the hatred, and the loop continues.

You can equally apply what you said to America's situation: it seems like every time a terrorist is blown up by a flying death toy, there is collateral damage in the form of innocent people. That reinforces their hatred of us, at which some point will lead to an act of "terror," which will reinforce our hatred of them, meaning more people get blown up, and the cycle repeats itself.

There will most likely never be an end to any of it. Not until somebody decides to proverbially "turn the other cheek."

The pendulum can only stop in the middle. Pushing it past the center just builds up momentum for the reverse swing.

302 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:10:24am

re: #269 wheat-dogghazi

You know, I never had heard of peanut allergies until I was about 40 and a teacher. We had a student who was so sensitive he could go in anaphylactic shock from just the smell of peanut butter.

How come I never heard of peanut allergies when I was a kid? Is this a new thing, or was it just under my radar for 40 years?

Probably also mis-diagnosed in the past as something else. Asthma, etc.

303 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:11:29am

re: #294 Joanne

Could be a million things. I'd take a guess that it's likely to do with some chemical change in what people are exposed to these days. All kinds of processed crap, loads of pesticides/chemicals, hell, even pollution in the air, or water. Unless you eat completely certified organic and live in a bubble, you can't avoid it.

304 GunstarGreen  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:15:00am

re: #15 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

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Jesus Christ, don't wingnuts have anything better to do than parse everything the president says for hidden potential perfidiousness?

No, because that's their job.

For-profit media does not exist to inform the public, it exists to make money. It makes money not be informing the public, but by entertaining the public.

Loesch's job, the thing she is paid to do, is to entertain people that hate Obama.

305 darthstar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:17:50am
306 Joanne  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:18:05am

re: #300 Honorary Consul General

Man Cut Almost All of Girlfriend's Nose Off: Police
A man was arrested for cutting almost all of his girlfriend's nose off after she refused to have sex with him, Fort Lauderdale Police said.
[Link: www.nbcmiami.com...]

Who knew Caesar Milan was nuts? :-D

307 erik_t  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:18:12am

Question. Has anyone heard any non-wingnut mention Benghazi in the last, oh, month and a half, outside of answers to direct wingnut questions? If the GOP thinks this conspiracy nonsense is going to make popular hay, they'd sure need it to become a watercooler sort of topic. On the contrary, I have not encountered it a single time in meatspace.

308 darthstar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:22:31am
309 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:23:06am

re: #277 NJDhockeyfan

I never heard of it either but it does exist. When I worked at a hotel in Connecticut we had someone come in for dinner one night who was severely allergic to all beans. We were told to not even let a string bean touch anything on the plate or he would go in to convulsions.

Now as far as cutting down oak trees because some kid might force another kid to eat an acorn, that's just plain stupid.

Basically, if the mother is that concerned, she might consider moving somewhere where deciduous trees do not grow, like the edge of the Tundra

310 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:25:17am

re: #308 darthstar

"Hours before Hamas' Ahmed Jabari was assassinated, he received the draft of a permanent truce agreement with Israel"

The source of this "bombshell" (pardon the expression) comes from Gershon Baskin, who is just as delusional as M.J. Rosenberg.

311 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:28:21am

Wingnut talking about the woman in Arizona who ran over her husband for not voting...

Justifiable Vehicular Assault?

She might have gotten a little carried away. But if the jury takes into account that she regarded her husband as partially responsible for Obama’s reelection — the most prominent milestone in America’s decline and quite possibly the most disgusting event in human history — they are sure to go easy on her:

312 Joanne  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:29:34am

re: #311 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Wingnut talking about the woman in Arizona who ran over her husband for not voting...

Justifiable Vehicular Assault?

She might have gotten a little carried away. But if the jury takes into account that she regarded her husband as partially responsible for Obama’s reelection — the most prominent milestone in America’s decline and quite possibly the most disgusting event in human history — they are sure to go easy on her:

TOTALLY the party of Tough on Crime!

313 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:30:44am

re: #311 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Wingnut talking about the woman in Arizona who ran over her husband for not voting...

This is an aspect of wingnuttery that botzhers me, it has somehow begun to accept threats and acts of violence as viable alternatives to civil discourse and democratic decision-making.

314 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:31:05am

re: #310 Vicious Babushka

The source of this "bombshell" (pardon the expression) comes from Gershon Baskin, who is just as delusional as M.J. Rosenberg.

Yeah, are we to believe this guy suddenly would agree to a truce?

...He has been credited with making the terrorist group’s military wing increasingly more professional.

It was Jabari who personally oversaw the kidnapping and imprisonment of kidnapped IDF soldier Gilad Schalit.

A shadowy figure who deliberately kept a low profile and rarely made public appearances, such was his involvement in the Schalit kidnapping that he allowed himself to be photographed last October as he escorted the IDF soldier to Gaza’s Rafah Crossing on the day of his release last year.

After Schalit’s release, Jabari said Hamas planned to kidnap more Israeli soldiers and officers, to use them as bargaining chips for the release of Palestinian prisoners.

...

315 makeitstop  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:33:36am

Morning, Lizardos...

I'm just jumping in here, so apologies if anyone posted this. Behold the sheer business acumen of one John Metz...

John Metz, Denny's Franchisee And Hurricane Grill & Wings Owner, Imposes Surcharge For Obamacare

"If I leave the prices the same, but say on the menu that there is a 5 percent surcharge for Obamacare, customers have two choices. They can either pay it and tip 15 or 20 percent, or if they really feel so inclined, they can reduce the amount of tip they give to the server, who is the primary beneficiary of Obamacare," Metz told The Huffington Post. "Although it may sound terrible that I'm doing this, it's the only alternative. I've got to pass the cost on to the consumer."

I think he's missing the option where people go to the TGI Fridays down the street.

316 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:34:35am
317 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:35:44am

re: #315 makeitstop

Morning, Lizardos...

I'm just jumping in here, so apologies if anyone posted this. Behold the sheer business acumen of one John Metz...

John Metz, Denny's Franchisee And Hurricane Grill & Wings Owner, Imposes Surcharge For Obamacare

I think he's missing the option where people go to the TGI Fridays down the street.

Or where he accepts a lower profit margin. I don't get all these supposed masters of business who are running their companies so close to the red all the time.

318 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:36:28am

re: #314 NJDhockeyfan

Yeah, are we to believe this guy suddenly would agree to a truce?

I read the whole article on Haaretz. Gershon Baskin is just self-promoting a "peace agreement" that he made up by himself. He is a private citizen who holds no position in the Israeli government and has no authority to conduct negotiations. So it is complete bullshit.

319 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:36:32am

re: #315 makeitstop

Morning, Lizardos...

I'm just jumping in here, so apologies if anyone posted this. Behold the sheer business acumen of one John Metz...

John Metz, Denny's Franchisee And Hurricane Grill & Wings Owner, Imposes Surcharge For Obamacare

I think he's missing the option where people go to the TGI Fridays down the street.

This has nothing to do with making sound business decisions, this is about throwing a temper tantrum. It has to do with knowing how to run a business but not knowing how to run a country.

320 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:37:14am

A silly little post from WND...

A perfect Union run by sinful men is impossible.

And if you form a Repblic, you will have the same Ideology that elad to world wide ruin in the First Place.

Christian Monarchy, limited Government and absolute property Rights,not a Collectivist Secular Republic, is whats needed.

Yes he wants a "christian" King of America, an earlier post was longer but so full of typos that it is practically illegible.

321 dragonath  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:37:55am

re: #315 makeitstop

The people doing this are the ones who would never, ever "pass the savings on to the consumer". Ha.

Most people like being served food by healthy, happy people.

Also:

Minimum Wage For Restaurant Servers Remains Stagnant For 20 Years Under Industry Lobbying

322 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:38:31am

IDF Aircraft Target Rockets Warehouse in Gaza

that's one rocket that won't leave gaza.

323 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:40:07am

re: #320 watching you tiny alien kittens are

"elad" = "allowed" ?

Orsom!

(awesome)

324 darthstar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:40:29am

re: #315 makeitstop

Morning, Lizardos...

I'm just jumping in here, so apologies if anyone posted this. Behold the sheer business acumen of one John Metz...

John Metz, Denny's Franchisee And Hurricane Grill & Wings Owner, Imposes Surcharge For Obamacare

I think he's missing the option where people go to the TGI Fridays down the street.

Franchises want to protect their brand. I suspect Denny's will be contacting Mr. Metz and asking him to reconsider. The prices are set at a corporate level, just like the recipes, menu items, the mix of grape and strawberry jelly on the tables, and the shape of the coffee cups. Adding a 5% surcharge for Obamacare probably violates his franchise contract.

And yes, if people come in, see the 5% surcharge and start walking out, Denny's (who likely reviews his monthly sales figures) will take notice.

325 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:42:00am

re: #322 Killgore Trout

IDF Aircraft Target Rockets Warehouse in Gaza

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that's one rocket that won't leave gaza.

Did you read the comments? Look at this sick shit.

I hope IRAN destroys israel with a thousand nukes because thats what you deserve you fucking jew scumbags you'll be nothing but ashes when you face a real military force, untill then, keep murdering innocent children and women because thats all you can do, fucking jews your time will be over soon
Lushoo Floyd 55 minutes ago

326 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:42:38am

re: #321 dragonath

The people doing this are the ones who would never, ever "pass the savings on to the consumer". Ha.

Most people like being served food by healthy, happy people.

Also:

Minimum Wage For Restaurant Servers Remains Stagnant For 20 Years Under Industry Lobbying

I find it funny that wait people bitch about their wage but don't claim all their tips for taxes went walking out with $100 after a 6 hour shift.

327 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:42:48am

re: #325 NJDhockeyfan

Did you read the comments? Look at this sick shit.

YouTube comments are always sick shit, same as Yahoo.

328 Mich-again  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:44:31am

re: #324 darthstar

Franchises want to protect their brand. I suspect Denny's will be contacting Mr. Metz and asking him to reconsider. The prices are set at a corporate level, just like the recipes, menu items, the mix of grape and strawberry jelly on the tables, and the shape of the coffee cups. Adding a 5% surcharge for Obamacare probably violates his franchise contract.

And yes, if people come in, see the 5% surcharge and start walking out, Denny's (who likely reviews his monthly sales figures) will take notice.

Brilliant! Run a restaurant and then insult more than half the people who walk in the door.

329 darthstar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:46:34am

re: #325 NJDhockeyfan

Did you read the comments? Look at this sick shit.

Yep...which is why one should avoid war porn. You get all excited about a conflict(kill them brown fuckers!), then some asshole comes along and says something awful about your side, and rather than ignoring it, somehow the full quote gets posted to another site, so more people can be disgusted by a single idiot they neither know nor care about, and one that obviously isn't aware of Iran's nuclear capabilities (real or imagined).

330 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:47:27am

re: #324 darthstar

Franchises want to protect their brand. I suspect Denny's will be contacting Mr. Metz and asking him to reconsider. The prices are set at a corporate level, just like the recipes, menu items, the mix of grape and strawberry jelly on the tables, and the shape of the coffee cups. Adding a 5% surcharge for Obamacare probably violates his franchise contract.

And yes, if people come in, see the 5% surcharge and start walking out, Denny's (who likely reviews his monthly sales figures) will take notice.

I assume that thereis some price flexibility to account for local conditions, but that does not cover Obamacare, which is a national law.

I do hope that people put pressure on Denny's to cause this guy to reconsider.

Of course, we could just a) raise prices 20%, b) eliminate tipping altogether and c) pay employees a reasonable wage with benefits...

331 compound_Idaho  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:48:01am

re: #317 Obdicut

Or where he accepts a lower profit margin. I don't get all these supposed masters of business who are running their companies so close to the red all the time.

[Link: smallbusiness.chron.com...]

Full-Service Restaurants
Full-service restaurants at all levels spent about 32 percent of each dollar on the cost of food and beverages, 33 percent on salaries and wages, and from 5 percent to 6 percent on restaurant occupancy costs. Profit margins, however, varied according to the cost of the average check per person. Those with checks under $15 showed a profit of 3 percent. Those with checks from $15 to $24.99 boasted the highest profit margin at 3.5 percent. Finally, those with checks of $25 and over had the lowest profits, at 1.8 percent.

332 dragonath  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:48:09am

re: #326 Honorary Consul General

I find it funny that wait people bitch about their wage but don't claim all their tips for taxes went walking out with $100 after a 6 hour shift.

Uh, you own a restaurant or something? The minimum wage for tipped servers in my state is $2.83 an hour.

That's the same kind thinking that the GOP candidate for governor in Minnesota had, where he claimed waiters were making $100,000 dollars a year in tips.

The owner of the Eagle Street Grill told a Star Tribune columnist on Tuesday that none of his servers make $100,000 a year. Republican gubernatorial candidate Tom Emmer used an example of Eagle Street servers making that kind of money as a reason to institute a “tip credit” in Minnesota, which would lower servers’ minimum wage pay.

333 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:48:38am

re: #325 NJDhockeyfan

Did you read the comments? Look at this sick shit.

Yeah, I was just looking at the comments on IDF videos. There seems to be an attempt to report the videos to have them taken down by youtube.

334 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:50:18am

re: #331 compound_Idaho

I'm sure you had a point there, but dadgum if you forgot to make it.

335 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:50:41am

re: #332 dragonath

When you're making below mandated minimum wage, you deserve to take home your tips free of taxes.

336 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:50:52am

re: #332 dragonath

Uh, no. But I was in the industry for 25 years including being an AGM of a place that did $3.5M a year and helped open an indy place and helped him to be profitable enough to open a second one.

337 darthstar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:51:29am

re: #332 dragonath

Uh, you own a restaurant or something? The minimum wage for tipped servers in my state is $2.83 an hour.

That's the same kind thinking that the GOP candidate for governor in Minnesota had, where he claimed waiters were making $100,000 dollars in tips.

Tipped servers are lucky if they make 30K a year...at 100 bucks a day that's only 24k and anyone who has waited tables for a living knows (I did for some time), there are far more under $40 days than there are over $100.

338 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:51:46am

re: #334 Obdicut

It looked something along the lines of "won't somebody please think of the poor, struggling restaurant owners!"

339 dragonath  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:52:33am

re: #334 Obdicut

I'm sure you had a point there, but dadgum if you forgot to make it.

Taxes only apply to the little people.

340 makeitstop  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:54:04am

re: #331 compound_Idaho

[Link: smallbusiness.chron.com...]

Full-Service Restaurants
Full-service restaurants at all levels spent about 32 percent of each dollar on the cost of food and beverages, 33 percent on salaries and wages, and from 5 percent to 6 percent on restaurant occupancy costs. Profit margins, however, varied according to the cost of the average check per person. Those with checks under $15 showed a profit of 3 percent. Those with checks from $15 to $24.99 boasted the highest profit margin at 3.5 percent. Finally, those with checks of $25 and over had the lowest profits, at 1.8 percent.

Whatever. I'd guess that people will look at this guys menu, say '5% surcharge? WTF?' and go somewhere else.

Cite all the facts and figures you want. Dumb idea is dumb.

341 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:54:13am

Italy does not have a tipping concept, above leaving loose coins. Instead, it requires the waiters be treated just like...uh...citizens.

342 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:54:23am

re: #337 darthstar

Tipped servers are lucky if they make 30K a year...at 100 bucks a day that's only 24k and anyone who has waited tables for a living knows (I did for some time), there are far more under $40 days than there are over $100.

Being a bartender was a nice job for me back in the day, but the only time I cracked 40K as a bartender I was working 70 hours a week. Granted, the ones in the ultra-expensive places make more but there are far more just guys pulling pints down at the tavern.

343 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:55:19am

I live in a country where tipping is a matter of rounding the bill up to the nearest ful amount, where waiters and waitresses arepaid a peopler wage with benefits and where restaurant owners still manage to stay in business, which indicates they are making a profit.

How do they do it without resucing their workflorce to chattel slaves with no way of knowing how much they are going to earn from week to week?

344 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:56:09am

When waitresses used to piss me off I would tell them they can be replaced with a buffet. Heh. (I also waited tables in my life)

345 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:57:20am

re: #341 Decatur Deb

Italy does not have a tipping concept, above leaving loose coins. Instead, it requires the waiters be treated just like...uh...citizens.

Tipping is both great and terrible. The best way to make big tips is to aggressively push high-shelf stuff on people, which I don't really like doing. It's like any other market; the highest reward doesn't go to the hardest workers, it goes to the people who figure out the system and exploit it best.

Some people will die fighting for the tipping system because they like the illusion of control they have in declining to leave some poor overworked server whose manager just screwed him with a 7-top a tip. They're idiots.

346 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:58:08am

Dave Blount over at Moonbattery is on a real roll since Obama's re-election, sorry no linky, that place is rapidly turning into Stormfront or maybe worse...

Liberalism is the total inversion of values. Whatever a sane person reveres, a liberal denigrates. That which the healthy see as flaws, liberals regard as noble attributes. Unless you are depraved, you probably consider intelligence as a plus. Unsurprisingly, our liberal rulers hold stupidity in such high esteem that it can earn murderers a reprieve from death row:

"Ronell Wilson (pictured) has already been convicted of the point-blank shooting deaths of Detectives Rodney Andrews and James Nemorin during a 2003 undercover gun buy-and-bust operation on Staten Island. …

Wilson’s attorneys insist that he should not be eligible for the death penalty — because of his low intellect.

They’re citing a landmark US Supreme Court ruling that bars execution of the mentally incompetent."

If Ronell Wilson is not executed because he is stupid, then those who are executed die because they are intelligent. This makes perfect sense in a country that would elect and reelect Barack Hussein Obama.

347 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:58:58am

re: #300 Honorary Consul General

Man Cut Almost All of Girlfriend's Nose Off: Police
A man was arrested for cutting almost all of his girlfriend's nose off after she refused to have sex with him, Fort Lauderdale Police said.
[Link: www.nbcmiami.com...]

florida

348 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:00:02am

re: #344 Honorary Consul General

When waitresses used to piss me off I would tell them they can be replaced with a buffet. Heh. (I also waited tables in my life)

I can't remember an instance of being pissed off by a waitress. I do remember really pissing off a date when I dropped a bottle of ketchup and got down to help the waitress clean it up.

349 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:00:44am

re: #348 Decatur Deb

I can't remember an instance of being pissed off by a waitress. I do remember really pissing off a date when I dropped a bottle of ketchup and got down to help the waitress clean it up.

No, I meant the ones I worked with. Sorry.

350 blueraven  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:00:51am

re: #331 compound_Idaho

[Link: smallbusiness.chron.com...]

Full-Service Restaurants
Full-service restaurants at all levels spent about 32 percent of each dollar on the cost of food and beverages, 33 percent on salaries and wages, and from 5 percent to 6 percent on restaurant occupancy costs. Profit margins, however, varied according to the cost of the average check per person. Those with checks under $15 showed a profit of 3 percent. Those with checks from $15 to $24.99 boasted the highest profit margin at 3.5 percent. Finally, those with checks of $25 and over had the lowest profits, at 1.8 percent.

You realize these are figures from 2010, 2009, and 2008 right?...arguably the worst years in decades.

These profit margins come from three years of negative sales growth, according to the National Restaurant Association. However, as the economy continues to improve for 2011, the association forecasts a 3.6 percent increase in sales over 2010, which equals a real 1.1 percent increase when adjusted from inflation. The strongest sales growth --- over 5 percent --- and profits will be with social caterers, hotel restaurants and nursing homes. The South Atlantic part of the country will post the strongest sales growth, with North Carolina, Idaho and Virginia leading the pack. Establishments who take advantage of social media, mobile phone applications and online review sites can increase their profitability. This is because more consumers are relying on this technology to determine where to eat.

351 BongCrodny  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:03:11am

re: #346 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Dave Blount over at Moonbattery is on a real roll since Obama's re-election, sorry no linky, that place is rapidly turning into Stormfront or maybe worse...

Liberalism is the total inversion of values. Whatever a sane person reveres, a liberal denigrates. That which the healthy see as flaws, liberals regard as noble attributes. Unless you are depraved, you probably consider intelligence as a plus. Unsurprisingly, our liberal rulers hold stupidity in such high esteem that it can earn murderers a reprieve from death row:

Last time I checked, it wasn't liberals who were arguing that we have too many people going to college.

Fox News Viewers Know Less Than People Who Don't Watch Any News: Study

352 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:04:06am

re: #345 Obdicut

Tipping is both great and terrible. The best way to make big tips is to aggressively push high-shelf stuff on people, which I don't really like doing. It's like any other market; the highest reward doesn't go to the hardest workers, it goes to the people who figure out the system and exploit it best.

Some people will die fighting for the tipping system because they like the illusion of control they have in declining to leave some poor overworked server whose manager just screwed him with a 7-top a tip. They're idiots.

Though a lot of places put a default serving charge on the bill for large tables. I think 18% is quite common around Philly. Though then you can debate how much of that 18% the server actually gets.

353 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:07:33am

YouTube removes video of Israeli strike on Hamas commanderI've seen a couple articles about the video being taken down but it seems to have already been restored.

354 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:08:22am

I had this conversation at least once a week for 4 1/2 years:
"WTF do you mean you're out of soup? Did someone steal it? Oh, you're just now telling me. I see. Well it is a cream based soup, so while I'm heating some you can tell your table they have to wait because you don't comprehend the word "communication". (kinda one sided conversation)

355 brennant  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:10:33am

re: #341 Decatur Deb

Italy does not have a tipping concept, above leaving loose coins. Instead, it requires the waiters be treated just like...uh...citizens.

I was with a tour group in Florence... one group in our party proceeded to treat the waitress where we were like total shit for not immediately moving two tables together, as if their weakling arms couldn't move them together on their own. The waitress was tearing up she was so upset. Our table (6 or 8 of us) just unloaded euros on her, and apologized for the shitty Americans next to us.

That's right. We apologized for America. I think I bowed at least once.

356 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:10:40am

re: #354 Honorary Consul General

I had this conversation at least once a week for 4 1/2 years:
"WTF do you mean you're out of soup? Did someone steal it? Oh, you're just now telling me. I see. Well it is a cream based soup, so while I'm heating some you can tell your table they have to wait because you don't comprehend the word "communication". (kinda one sided conversation)

Manager's quest: "Find someone smart enough to do the job and dumb enough to take the pay".

357 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:12:32am

re: #353 Killgore Trout

YouTube removes video of Israeli strike on Hamas commanderI've seen a couple articles about the video being taken down but it seems to have already been restored.

The fact is that the footage is no different than the sort of airstrike footage CNN has been airing during US military operations since Operation: Desert Storm in 1991. It's not a gore fest, and the footage does have legitimate news value.

358 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:12:47am

re: #356 Decatur Deb

Manager's quest: "Find someone smart enough to do the job and dumb enough to take the pay".

"I need you to put up with bullshit for hours on end, deal with bad customers and dipshit fellow employees alike, work long shifts that will leave you mentally and physically exhausted, and pick up shifts when your fellow employees find ways to avoid work. What's the pay like? Below minimum wage, but you'll make it up in tips....Hello?"

359 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:13:17am

re: #315 makeitstop

Morning, Lizardos...

I'm just jumping in here, so apologies if anyone posted this. Behold the sheer business acumen of one John Metz...

John Metz, Denny's Franchisee And Hurricane Grill & Wings Owner, Imposes Surcharge For Obamacare

I think he's missing the option where people go to the TGI Fridays down the street.

Maybe he should charge a 120% surcharge to help pay for the fucking Iraq war debt.

360 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:13:29am

re: #356 Decatur Deb

Manager's quest: "Find someone smart enough to do the job and dumb enough to take the pay".

At Hooters, the managers go to colleges and clubs and so on and approach girls to work there, no experience necessary. I know this because I almost went to work for them.

361 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:14:59am

re: #360 Honorary Consul General

At Hooters, the managers go to colleges and clubs and so on and approach girls to work there, no experience necessary. I know this because I almost went to work for them.

I thought you're a guy?

362 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:15:10am

re: #355 brennant

I was with a tour group in Florence... one group in our party proceeded to treat the waitress where we were like total shit for not immediately moving two tables together, as if their weakling arms couldn't move them together on their own. The waitress was tearing up she was so upset. Our table (6 or 8 of us) just unloaded euros on her, and apologized for the shitty Americans next to us.

That's right. We apologized for America. I think I bowed at least once.

Our daughter was a waitress/dishwasher at the village pizzeria. The boss hired her to attract English-only GIs from the base. Owner's wife never referred to her except as "la Bionda".

363 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:15:27am

re: #361 Dark_Falcon

I thought you're a guy?

I was gonna be a manager.

364 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:16:22am

re: #360 Honorary Consul General

At Hooters, the managers go to colleges and clubs and so on and approach girls to work there, no experience necessary. I know this because I almost went to work for them.

What are your measurements?

365 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:16:52am

re: #364 Decatur Deb

What are your measurements?

1.75

366 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:17:10am

re: #362 Decatur Deb

Our daughter was a waitress/dishwasher at the village pizzeria. The boss hired her to attract English-only GIs from the base. Owner's wife never referred to her except as "la Bionda".

Do I want to know what that means?

367 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:17:13am

re: #354 Honorary Consul General

I had this conversation at least once a week for 4 1/2 years:
"WTF do you mean you're out of soup? Did someone steal it? Oh, you're just now telling me. I see. Well it is a cream based soup, so while I'm heating some you can tell your table they have to wait because you don't comprehend the word "communication". (kinda one sided conversation)

"Waiter, there's a problem with the soup."
"What's the problem?"
"Just taste the soup."
"What's wrong with the soup?"
"Just taste the soup!"
"Ok, where's the spoon?"
"Aha! Ahaaaa!"

368 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:18:35am

re: #367 Ghost of Tom Joad

"Waiter, there's a problem with the soup."
"What's the problem?"
"Just taste the soup."
"What's wrong with the soup?"
"Just taste the soup!"
"Ok, where's the spoon?"
"Aha! Ahaaaa!"

The WOUND!
(/Python)

369 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:18:53am

UC Irvine's student body takes anti-Israel investment stance

IRVINE - The representatives of UC Irvine's student body have urged the school to divest itself of investments in companies whose products they say support anti-Palestinian Israeli policies, it was announced today.

The Associated Students of UC Irvine voted 16-0 Tuesday night for a resolution urging the university to withdraw its investments from Caterpillar, General Electric, Hewlett Packard, Raytheon, "and other companies profiting from human rights violations in the occupied territories," a statement said.

The targeted companies have sustained Israel's occupation by providing materials used to build Israeli settlements on the West Bank and military checkpoints, the resolution said. GE, it said, manufactures engines for U.S.- made Apache helicopters, which the resolution said have been used in attacks that represent "war crimes" because they involved civilians.

370 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:18:54am

re: #366 Dark_Falcon

Do I want to know what that means?

Just "the Blonde". "L"s slid over to "'I"s sometime in the development of Italian.

371 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:20:06am

re: #367 Ghost of Tom Joad

"Waiter, there's a problem with the soup."
"What's the problem?"
"Just taste the soup."
"What's wrong with the soup?"
"Just taste the soup!"
"Ok, where's the spoon?"
"Aha! Ahaaaa!"

Man calls the manager over and says, "The waiter had his thumb in my soup". Manager tell the customer that the waiter has an arthritic thumb and the hot soup helps. The man says, "Well, tell him to stick his thumb in his ass". Manager says, "He does when he's in the back".

372 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:21:41am

re: #366 Dark_Falcon

Do I want to know what that means?

The Blonde.

Also the title of an Italian film about a shy guy who hits a girl with a car and gives her amnesia. He helps her and falls in love with her but then she remembers that she is a drug dealers girl friend and leaves him.
(Yes that is really the entire plot)

373 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:21:55am

Man asks waiter, "How do you prepare the chicken"?
Waiter says, "Meh, we don't, they pretty much know they're gonna die".

374 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:26:10am

re: #311 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Wingnut talking about the woman in Arizona who ran over her husband for not voting...

quite possibly the most disgusting event in human history

Right. Has this person ever heard of the Holocaust? The Albigensian Crusade? The treatment of America's own native population? Because any of these beats the election of a centrist Democratic President as far as disgusting events go.

375 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:26:15am

Sign in men's restroom at a Chinese restaurant: "Employees must wash chopsticks".

376 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:26:50am

re: #374 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Right. Has this person ever heard of the Holocaust? The Albigensian Crusade? The treatment of America's own native population? Because any of these beats the election of a centrist Democratic President as far as disgusting events go.

Nothing beats these guys' ability to whine at a democratic outcome they do not approve of...

377 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:26:52am

re: #371 Honorary Consul General

I just spit tea on my computer.
That's BAAAAD!

378 Lidane  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:27:35am
379 erik_t  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:28:26am

re: #374 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Right. Has this person ever heard of the Holocaust? The Albigensian Crusade? The treatment of America's own native population? Because any of these beats the election of a centrist Democratic President as far as disgusting events go.

And fuck, most of those are just the last two hundred years.

380 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:28:36am

re: #371 Honorary Consul General

Man calls the manager over and says, "The waiter had his thumb in my soup". Manager tell the customer that the waiter has an arthritic thumb and the hot soup helps. The man says, "Well, tell him to stick his thumb in his ass". Manager says, "He does when he's in the back".

An epicure, dining at Crewe,
Found quite a large mouse in his stew.
Said the waiter, "Don't shout
And wave it about,
Or the rest will be wanting one too."


- "Waiter, what's this fly doing in my soup?"
- "Looks like the backstroke, sir."

381 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:28:53am

re: #378 Lidane

How does one make BP serve jail time for criminal charges, do they select an employee and pay them to be their designated criminal representative?
/

382 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:29:05am

re: #378 Lidane

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Wow, what a wrist slap. That one might leave a mark for a couple hours.

383 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:29:15am

re: #378 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Breaking News: BP to Pay $4 Billion Fine and Plead Guilty to 14 Criminal Charges in 2010 Gulf Oil Spill nyti.ms/RWhL04

So this corporate person will be doing time in a federal prison?

384 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:29:59am

re: #318 Vicious Babushka

I read the whole article on Haaretz. Gershon Baskin is just self-promoting a "peace agreement" that he made up by himself. He is a private citizen who holds no position in the Israeli government and has no authority to conduct negotiations. So it is complete bullshit.

Ugh, I'm seeing that story popping up on Daily Beast, some lefty sites and even a few MSM outlets now.

385 Lidane  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:30:09am

re: #381 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears

How does one make BP serve jail time for criminal charges, do they select an employee and pay them to be their designated criminal representative?
/

I'd go and find out the answer, but I just hit the NYT paywall. =P

386 erik_t  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:31:24am

re: #378 Lidane

@nytimes Breaking News: BP to Pay $4 Billion Fine and Plead Guilty to 14 Criminal Charges in 2010 Gulf Oil Spill nyti.ms/RWhL04

versus

Revenue US$ 386.46 billion (2011)
Operating income US$ 39.81 billion (2011)
Net income US$ 25.70 billion (2011)
Total assets US$ 290.92 billion (2011)
Total equity US$ 111.46 billion (2011)

Tack on a zero and we'll talk.

387 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:32:02am

re: #378 Lidane

Watch this.
[Link: www.pbs.org...]

388 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:32:03am

Gaza: Killed Hamas Leader Ahmed Jabari ‘Was Canvassing’ Truce Agreement with Israel

Hamas leader Ahmed Jabari had just been given the draft of a truce agreement when he was assassinated in Israeli strike, claims peace activist

Looks like complete fiction to me.

389 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:32:47am

re: #379 erik_t

And fuck, most of those are just the last two hundred years.

Well, I was going to toss in a reference to events during the reign of Tiglath-Pileser III, but I figured I already had enough examples.

390 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:33:05am

re: #381 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears

How does one make BP serve jail time for criminal charges, do they select an employee and pay them to be their designated criminal representative?
/

Naw, three employees work eight hour shifts at the prison each day, that's one job where everyone wants the night shift.

///

391 Lidane  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:33:51am

re: #382 Targetpractice

Wow, what a wrist slap. That one might leave a mark for a couple hours.

Especially since they're paying out the money in installments:

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

I expect that we'll hear from the GOP telling us about this gross miscarriage of justice later today.

392 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:34:42am

re: #388 Killgore Trout

Gaza: Killed Hamas Leader Ahmed Jabari ‘Was Canvassing’ Truce Agreement with Israel

Looks like complete fiction to me.

Here's another take on that 'truce'.

Phoney truce may have lured Hamas man into open

393 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:34:44am

Corporations are now people.
I sentence BP to death.

394 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:35:13am

re: #381 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears

Tony Hayward, that doucherocket CEO who took time to go sailing on his 52' megayacht and complained how hard everything was with the oil spill would be a fantastic start.

395 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:36:08am

re: #391 Lidane

Especially since they're paying out the money in installments:

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

I expect that we'll hear from the GOP telling us about this gross miscarriage of justice later today.

Installments? Why, because if we demand it all at once, their CEO will have to go without caviar for a month?

396 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:36:35am

re: #391 Lidane

Especially since they're paying out the money in installments:

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

I expect that we'll hear from the GOP telling us about this gross miscarriage of justice later today.

Probably, because I'm sure if a mistake of mine caused 11 people to die and polluted a huge amount of a waterway they would just fine me $5000.00 and the whole thing would be forgotten.

397 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:36:49am

My brother got 14K from BP and his GF got 35K because of the spill. I even have a firm calling me.

398 Lidane  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:37:50am

*sigh*

I still can't believe this is a real thing. I keep waiting for the punchline:

Petraeus scandal: Broadwell and Kelley's access revoked

The US military has revoked access for two women at the heart of the scandal that led to Friday's resignation of Gen David Petraeus as CIA director.

Security clearance has been suspended for his ex-mistress, Paula Broadwell.

And Jill Kelley's pass at the Florida air force base where she organised social events has been frozen.

399 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:38:32am

Gotta run. It's 'Lunch With Daddy Day' at school.
:)

400 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:39:05am

re: #399 NJDhockeyfan

Gotta run. It's 'Lunch With Daddy Day' at school.
:)

I'll pray for pizza for you.

401 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:39:05am

re: #392 NJDhockeyfan

Here's another take on that 'truce'.

Phoney truce may have lured Hamas man into open

Heh. The Israelis seen cool with the rocket fire and lack of retaliation was a ruse! Interesting angle.

402 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:39:26am
403 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:39:43am

Oh jeez, they are at it again...

Westboro Baptists Hate Formula One

"WBC will picket Formula 1 racing at The Circuit of The Americas in Austin, TX to remind this nation that God hates the vwicked people of this land of vain idolaters and that they shall be turned into Hell. These sporting events resemble the patriotic worship-the-flag pep rallies masquerading as sodlier's funerals in that this Bible-ignorant fools worship these race car drivers like they are little gods! Shame on these people for worshipping these athletes instead of following the plain commandments of their God. They ought to obey today before it is too late. WBC knows they will not, never the less, we will kindly warn them to flee the wrath to come. These are the last days of all, Doomed america. Wake up before you find yourselves cast into the deep pit of endless fire!"

404 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:40:06am

re: #398 Lidane

*sigh*

I still can't believe this is a real thing. I keep waiting for the punchline:

Petraeus scandal: Broadwell and Kelley's access revoked

I keep waiting for it all to end up on one of those lie-detector episodes of the Maury Show.

405 Lidane  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:40:26am

re: #403 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Oh jeez, they are at it again...

Westboro Baptists Hate Formula One

Yep. They're going to be unwelcome guests here in Austin this week.

Oh joy.

406 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:40:46am

re: #404 Targetpractice

I keep waiting for it all to end up on one of those lie-detector episodes of the Maury Show.

No.
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407 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:40:59am

re: #369 NJDhockeyfan

UC Irvine's student body takes anti-Israel investment stance

The Clue Meter in Irvine is still reading 'zero'.

408 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:41:29am

re: #329 darthstar

Yep...which is why one should avoid war porn. You get all excited about a conflict(kill them brown fuckers!), then some asshole comes along and says something awful about your side, and rather than ignoring it, somehow the full quote gets posted to another site, so more people can be disgusted by a single idiot they neither know nor care about, and one that obviously isn't aware of Iran's nuclear capabilities (real or imagined).

We've been known to post the words of armchair bigots here, rather than ignoring them. And I don't think anyone here has made any reference to 'killing them brown fuckers'.

409 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:41:53am

re: #405 Lidane

Yep. They're going to be unwelcome guests here in Austin this week.

Oh joy.

Tie them down and make them listen to bluegrass and folk music while telling them it's an intervention that includes deprogramming efforts.
/

410 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:42:30am

re: #406 Varek Raith

No.
JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY!

Eh, talk shows aren't as much fun as they used to be, back in the days when you tuned in to see if one or more guests were gonna end up leaving with a black eye. Soon as they got the bouncers there to hold folks back, the shows just lost their fire.

411 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:43:13am

re: #410 Targetpractice

Eh, talk shows aren't as much fun as they used to be, back in the days when you tuned in to see if one or more guests were gonna end up leaving with a black eye. Soon as they got the bouncers there to hold folks back, the shows just lost their fire.

Geraldo. Broken nose. Awesome.

412 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:43:16am

re: #405 Lidane

Yep. They're going to be unwelcome guests here in Austin this week.

Oh joy.

GOD HATES RACECARS!!!??

413 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:45:29am

re: #384 Killgore Trout

Ugh, I'm seeing that story popping up on Daily Beast, some lefty sites and even a few MSM outlets now.

It's going to be a known fact pretty shortly.

414 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:45:46am

re: #392 NJDhockeyfan

Here's another take on that 'truce'.

Phoney truce may have lured Hamas man into open

Israel didn't say anything about a truce, they just let the terror master see want he wanted to see, then blew him away when he showed himself. It's called 'strategery', as the faux Bushism had it.

415 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:47:30am
416 makeitstop  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:47:38am
417 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:48:12am

re: #414 Dark_Falcon

Israel didn't say anything about a truce, they just let the terror master see want he wanted to see, then blew him away when he showed himself. It's called 'strategery', as the faux Bushism had it.

Well, Sun Tzu did say all warfare is based on deception.

418 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:48:14am

re: #410 Targetpractice

Eh, talk shows aren't as much fun as they used to be, back in the days when you tuned in to see if one or more guests were gonna end up leaving with a black eye. Soon as they got the bouncers there to hold folks back, the shows just lost their fire.

They had to do that. Liability insurance issues, you know.

420 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:48:26am
421 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:48:46am

re: #416 makeitstop

Must have been some really good, umm, peanut butter.

Police: Conn. H.S. Student Found Unconscious After Eating Pot Peanut Butter Cracker

Food allergy?
/

422 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:49:05am

re: #415 Vicious Babushka

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Looks like Hamas has improved their capabilities recently.

423 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:50:03am

re: #422 Killgore Trout

Looks like Hamas has improved their capabilities recently.

Not really.

424 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:50:33am
425 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:51:17am

re: #422 Killgore Trout

Looks like Hamas has improved their capabilities recently.

It's the same rockets, Killgore. They're just firing more of them.

426 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:51:20am

re: #419 Varek Raith

Fox News Kicks Off New Jobs Number Conspiracy

"Question the timing"?! When the fuck would reporting this much of a jump in unemployment filings be seen as a good thing?

427 dragonath  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:53:39am

re: #426 Targetpractice

I thought they were going to attribute it to all the "Obama layoffs" they've been doing.

428 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:54:54am

re: #426 Targetpractice

"Question the timing"?! When the fuck would reporting this much of a jump in unemployment filings be seen as a good thing?

Forget it. They're Beck Trolling.

429 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:55:14am

re: #426 Targetpractice

"Question the timing"?! When the fuck would reporting this much of a jump in unemployment filings be seen as a good thing?

He is suggesting that these were the types of numbers that we have had all along and that they claim were falsified downward before the election.

431 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:55:41am

re: #425 Dark_Falcon

It's the same rockets, Killgore. They're just firing more of them.

[Link: muqata.blogspot.com...]
ah, it seems tel aviv has been on the outer edge of their capabilities for a while now.

432 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:55:53am

re: #422 Killgore Trout

Looks like Hamas has improved their capabilities recently.

It's the Fajrs. They've had them a while--using them now makes sense, since Israel's trying to destroy their stash. Unfortunately, their range is better than the stuff that's mostly been used recently.

433 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:56:14am

re: #427 dragonath

I thought they were going to attribute it to all the "Obama layoffs" they've been doing.

Read the comments to the article, they may not be but "the base" certainly is.

434 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:57:52am

Hippies actually hit upon possibly useful tactic:

Members of Occupy Wall Street — various branches of which have recently been saving families from foreclosure and aiding victims of Hurricane Sandy — have launched a new initiative. Coined the “Rolling Jubilee,” Occupiers are raising money to buy distressed debt from financial firms.

But while purchasers of debt usually hound debtors in order to make a return on their investment, Occupy plans to simply abolish the debt for the lucky individuals whose accounts they grab. As explained on the Rolling Jubilee website:

We buy debt for pennies on the dollar, but instead of collecting it, we abolish it. We cannot buy specific individuals’ debt – instead, we help liberate debtors at random through a campaign of mutual support, good will, and collective refusal.

Organizer David Rees explained further:

OWS is going to start buying distressed debt (medical bills, student loans, etc.) in order to forgive it. As a test run, we spent $500, which bought $14,000 of distressed debt. We then ERASED THAT DEBT. (If you’re a debt broker, once you own someone’s debt you can do whatever you want with it — traditionally, you hound debtors to their grave trying to collect. We’re playing a different game. A MORE AWESOME GAME.)

So if there is footage of Killgore at a debt auction with a can of pepper spray, now you know why. //

435 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:58:02am

re: #429 watching you tiny alien kittens are

He is suggesting that these were the types of numbers that we have had all along and that they claim were falsified downward before the election.

And, of course, his evidence consists of "Fuck you, that's my evidence!"

436 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:01:28am

re: #434 Dark_Falcon

Hippies actually hit upon possibly useful tactic:

So if there is footage of Killgore at a debt auction with a can of pepper spray, now you know why. //

It's an interesting idea but I don't think they thought this one through. Forgiven debt is counted as income. The OWS guys have no idea who's debt they're buying and the "beneficiaries" have no idea either. People in financial trouble are going to get a big tax bill or lose their welfare benefits. It's probably not a very good idea.

437 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:03:06am

re: #432 SanFranciscoZionist

It's the Fajrs. They've had them a while--using them now makes sense, since Israel's trying to destroy their stash. Unfortunately, their range is better than the stuff that's mostly been used recently.

Fajr-5. It's a big nasty rocket, only fired one at a time. But it's got a maximum range of 75 klicks and a 90 kilo HE payload.

438 dragonath  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:03:26am

re: #408 SanFranciscoZionist

We've been known to post the words of armchair bigots here, rather than ignoring them. And I don't think anyone here has made any reference to 'killing them brown fuckers'.

No, but when many of the people here who are posting these comments are former "anti-Jihad" posters, it seems as if the conflict is being commented on through an existential religious perspective.

439 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:04:08am

I didn't know today is the Great American Smoke Out. Ah, well, maybe next year.

440 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:05:02am

re: #436 Killgore Trout

It's an interesting idea but I don't think they thought this one through. Forgiven debt is counted as income. The OWS guys have no idea who's debt they're buying and the "beneficiaries" have no idea either. People in financial trouble are going to get a big tax bill or lose their welfare benefits. It's probably not a very good idea.

It's still going to be a net benefit to them. The fact that the financial and taxation system is so screwed up as to make this sort of forgiveness potentially problematic for welfare and stuff is unfortunate, but not their fault.

You see, that something has a downside doesn't negate the upside.

441 makeitstop  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:05:04am

re: #436 Killgore Trout

It's an interesting idea but I don't think they thought this one through. Forgiven debt is counted as income. The OWS guys have no idea who's debt they're buying and the "beneficiaries" have no idea either. People in financial trouble are going to get a big tax bill or lose their welfare benefits. It's probably not a very good idea.

The tax bill would be nowhere near the amount of the debt, though.

OWS has hit upon a good idea here. Why not just put aside your hatred of them for a minute or two and admit it?

442 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:05:13am

re: #436 Killgore Trout

It's an interesting idea but I don't think they thought this one through. Forgiven debt is counted as income. The OWS guys have no idea who's debt they're buying and the "beneficiaries" have no idea either. People in financial trouble are going to get a big tax bill or lose their welfare benefits. It's probably not a very good idea.

That I had not thought of, nor had they I'm sure. But you're right that the IRS has thought of it, and that will be brought to the attention of debtors whose debt was forgiven by OWS.

Still, what they're doing is at least legal and non-disruptive.

443 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:07:20am

re: #438 dragonath

No, but when many of the people here who are posting these comments are former "anti-Jihad" posters, it seems as if the conflict is being commented on through an existential religious perspective.

I was never a Gellerite, nor was Killgore.

444 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:07:40am

re: #431 Killgore Trout

[Link: muqata.blogspot.com...]
ah, it seems tel aviv has been on the outer edge of their capabilities for a while now.

Falling short of Tel Aviv puts them on Jaffa,and the best bakery in the country (except maybe Eris).

[Link: www.virtualtourist.com...]

445 makeitstop  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:08:00am

re: #442 Dark_Falcon

That I had not thought of, nor had they I'm sure.

Come on, Dark. You don't think Occupy has people familiar with finance in their ranks? I can assure you, they do. I actually know a few of them.

This idea that OWS is full of nothing but brainless hippies is just wrong. There are some very, very smart people in their ranks, whether you want to acknowledge it or not.

446 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:09:49am

re: #440 Obdicut

It's still going to be a net benefit to them. The fact that the financial and taxation system is so screwed up as to make this sort of forgiveness potentially taxable is unfortunate, but not their fault.

You see, that something has a downside doesn't negate the upside.

And at the very least, OWS is clearing off small amounts of toxic or junk debt. Which is good, because that debt going away clears up the financial circumstances of the nation as a whole.

447 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:10:32am

re: #445 makeitstop

Come on, Dark. You don't think Occupy has people familiar with finance in their ranks? I can assure you, they do. I actually know a few of them.

This idea that OWS is full of nothing but brainless hippies is just wrong. There are some very, very smart people in their ranks, whether you want to acknowledge it or not.

Hippies, yes. Brainless, no.

448 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:11:14am

re: #441 makeitstop

The tax bill would be nowhere near the amount of the debt, though.

OWS has hit upon a good idea here. Why not just put aside your hatred of them for a minute or two and admit it?

He's using the same logic that people use to say that they don't want to make more money because they'll be taxed more highly. Sure. It's still a net benefit. There are corner cases where it might specifically be inconvienient in the short-term.


And oh hey, it looks like Killgore is even more wrong:

The exclusion for "qualified principal residence indebtedness," provides canceled debt tax relief for many American home owners involved in the mortgage foreclosure crisis currently affecting much of the country. The exclusion allows taxpayers to exclude up to $2,000,000 ($1,000,000 if married filing separately) of "qualified principal residence indebtedness".

If it's mortgage debt, then it doesn't count as income.

Nor does it if it's student loans.

449 dragonath  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:11:54am

re: #443 Dark_Falcon

I was never a Gellerite, nor was Killgore.

I take more issue with NJDHockeyfan's "putting on the foil against Jihad" in his description, then posting videos of people (however contemptible) getting blown to smithereens.

450 darthstar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:12:13am

re: #443 Dark_Falcon

I was never a Gellerite, nor was Killgore.

Dragonite is responding to SFZ who was responding to me, and I was responding to NJDHF, who is a Gellerite.

451 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:13:31am

You know you play Eve too much when you see the word 'Gellerite' and your mind says 'Gallente'

452 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:13:44am

re: #450 darthstar

Dragonite is responding to SFZ who was responding to me, and I was responding to NJDHF, who is a Gellerite.

You failed to tell us what that has to do with Benghazi.
///

453 darthstar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:13:49am

re: #449 dragonath

I take more issue with NJDHockeyfan's "putting on the foil against Jihad" in his description, then posting videos of people (however contemptible) getting blown to smithereens.

He loves war porn more than the other couch warriors like DF and KT...and DF, of the three, you're the least wingnutty...and that's saying something.

454 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:13:57am

re: #448 Obdicut

He's using the same logic that people use to say that they don't want to make more money because they'll be taxed more highly. Sure. It's still a net benefit. There are corner cases where it might specifically be inconvienient in the short-term.

And oh hey, it looks like Killgore is even more wrong:

If it's mortgage debt, then it doesn't count as income.

Nor does it if it's student loans.

That only counts if you go through the foreclosure process in the courts. Debt forgiven outright, even if it's mortgage debt, still counts as income.

455 darthstar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:14:11am

re: #452 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears

You failed to tell us what that has to do with Benghazi.
///

Benghazi is the 47%.

456 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:14:18am

re: #445 makeitstop

Come on, Dark. You don't think Occupy has people familiar with finance in their ranks? I can assure you, they do. I actually know a few of them.

This idea that OWS is full of nothing but brainless hippies is just wrong. There are some very, very smart people in their ranks, whether you want to acknowledge it or not.

Which is fascinating. The company cannot lower your debt burden without dumping you with a large tax bill. But A.N. Random Individual can indeed lower your debt burden without that tax being due. You or I, OWS, can purchase the debt and then write it off and that’s a gift: no tax is payable upon that debt reduction.

Do note this very important point: the companies, the corporations, cannot do this. We as individuals can.

Forbes.com

457 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:14:50am

re: #453 darthstar

Fling an insult, get a downding.

458 darthstar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:15:36am

re: #457 Dark_Falcon

Fling an insult, get a downding.

I said you were the LEAST wingnutty...sheesh. You couch warriors have such thin skin.

459 erik_t  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:16:08am

How is congressional oversight formed? How to play senator?

When GOP Sens. John McCain and Lindsey Graham stepped before the cameras Wednesday and renewed their calls for a Watergate-like committee to probe the Sept. 11 terrorist attack in Libya, their longtime partner — Sen. Joe Lieberman – was noticeably missing.
...
Both Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin, “who was there at [Benghazi] briefing, and Sen. McCain, who was not, are members of our committee, and I know they would play very important roles,” Collins told POLITICO after the briefing.

“I do not see the benefit of creating a brand new committee when we already have the Senate’s chief oversight committee, plus the Intelligence Committee, examining this very important matter.”

McCain spokesman Brian Rogers said Thursday the senator missed the meeting because of a “scheduling error.”

Do your goddamned job, you worthless bitter old man.

460 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:17:14am

[Link: taxes.about.com...]

Canceled Debt That is Taxable
Anytime a lender cancels or forgives debt, that is usually a taxable event. "Generally, if a debt you owe is canceled or forgiven, other than as a gift or bequest, you must include the canceled amount in your income." (Source: Publication 525)

Debt forgiveness is reported by the lender using Form 1099-C, Cancellation of Debt. Individuals report the forgiven debt on their Form 1040, Line 21 as other income.

The tax laws provide several exceptions to the tax treatment of forgiven debts. Tax-free treatment of mortgage debt is the most generous and easiest to calculate.

Mortgage Restructuring and Foreclosures
Individuals who lost their homes through foreclosure will not have to pay income tax on the amount of mortgage debt that was forgiven or canceled. Tax-free treatment is also available to people who restructured their mortgages loans for a lower balance.

461 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:19:34am

re: #458 darthstar

I said you were the LEAST wingnutty...sheesh. You couch warriors have such thin skin.

I take exception to being called a "couch warrior".

462 Flounder  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:19:40am

From Fajr-5 wiki entry:
The latest production of the Fajr-5 is installed on a new Mercedes-Benz 6 x 6 forward control chassis[4] and the platform is now integrated into a complete weapon system rather than an individual launcher. To provide a more stable firing platform four hydraulically operated stabilizers are lowered to the ground before firing.

The new chassis has improved cross-country mobility and the forward control fully enclosed cab provides space for the driver and two passengers. Another fully enclosed cabin to the immediate rear of the cab houses the remainder of the crew. The new Mercedes-Benz chassis is similar to that manufactured in China, which is used as the basis for...

463 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:20:49am

re: #459 erik_t

How is congressional oversight formed? How to play senator?

Do your goddamned job, you worthless bitter old man.

Selecting Palin for VP candidate was a "personnel file error". Didn't you get the memo?
:p

464 makeitstop  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:20:51am

re: #460 Killgore Trout

Debt forgiveness is reported by the lender using Form 1099-C, Cancellation of Debt. Individuals report the forgiven debt on their Form 1040, Line 21 as other income.

'By the lender.'

Eventual Carrion addressed this in #456.

465 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:20:52am

re: #459 erik_t

How is congressional oversight formed? How to play senator?

Do your goddamned job, you worthless bitter old man.

Hey, McCain, the presidential election's come and gone. And the midterms aren't for another two years. You can dial back the bullshit.

466 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:21:27am

re: #462 Flounder

From Fajr-5 wiki entry:
The latest production of the Fajr-5 is installed on a new Mercedes-Benz 6 x 6 forward control chassis[4] and the platform is now integrated into a complete weapon system rather than an individual launcher. To provide a more stable firing platform four hydraulically operated stabilizers are lowered to the ground before firing.

The new chassis has improved cross-country mobility and the forward control fully enclosed cab provides space for the driver and two passengers. Another fully enclosed cabin to the immediate rear of the cab houses the remainder of the crew. The new Mercedes-Benz chassis is similar to that manufactured in China, which is used as the basis for...

Hamas would use a concealed launcher, but they have truck cabs suitable for service as Fajr-5 TEL*s already in Gaza.

TEL: Transporter, Erector, Launcher

467 Flounder  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:21:38am

I'm sorry Dark, I didn't realize Fajr-5 was a mobile platform package deal my bad! (eating lunch nomnom nom)

468 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:21:51am

re: #438 dragonath

No, but when many of the people here who are posting these comments are former "anti-Jihad" posters, it seems as if the conflict is being commented on through an existential religious perspective.

Except that the comment quoted from the other site actually does comment on the conflict through an existential religious and ethnic perspective, as do a lot of anti-Israel voices, and I don't like seeing that dismissed. It's not unimportant to the situation, and I'm frankly not happy being told that anti-Semitism doesn't count because 'war porn' and vague implications of racism.

469 darthstar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:22:02am

John McCain is a bigger camera whore than his former running mate.

While he was in high dudgeon before the cameras together with Sen. Lindsey Graham and Sen. Kelly Ayotte making threats to filibuster the rumored nomination of Rice to replace Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and calling for a select investigative committee to look into the matter, the classified, closed-door briefing was being held by a Senate committee on which he sits.

470 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:22:24am

Our company HQ Thanksgiving lunch feed has been delayed a half hour. :(

471 darthstar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:23:17am

re: #461 Dark_Falcon

I take exception to being called a "couch warrior".

Oh, I'm sorry...when did you serve in the military?

472 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:23:41am

Reuters picks up the phoney truce story: Phony truce may have lured Hamas man into open
Looks almost word for word copy of the Ma'an (palestinian media) article linked earlier.

473 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:23:47am

In a thread at "Where Liberty Dwells" the OP asks...

WLD as fringe site

Or extremist. Or even worse to many: A "Hate site" *quiver/shudder/panic* Is that what we're doing here? I'd say the better question is whether it is possible in today's media climate to be conservative, legitimately conservative and not some moderate Democrat-serving toadies, and NOT be labeled one or all of the above?

OK that seems like a reasonable question, or at least it does until you read the replies he got, one of which goes like this...

It is no secret that VTY is literally and pathologically hated by the loathsome spawns of hell on the left. It is also no secret that I wear their hatred of me as a badge of honor, and that I go out of my way to be hated even more by them, if that is possible.

I have no more respect for those repugnant, subhuman scumbags than for viruses. I consider liberalism to be a cancer, and liberals are the carcinogens. Because of that, I do not accept that it is possible to compromise in any way with them. Cancer must be excised from the human body, fully and rapidly. Liberalism must be cut out of the body politic by any means necessary, including if necessary the total extermination of liberals.

I will not personally kill a liberal. The creature is not worth all that paperwork. However, when a liberal dies, it is no more a cause for mourning than is the death of a mosquito or a cöckroach. Their very existence is a pollutant on Earth, and every time that pollution is reduced even slightly, it is a cause for celebration.

Liberals have for several decades made unarguable that they are the avowed, intractable enemies of the American state. They live in the freedom that millions have died to protect while exploiting that freedom to undermine their country. They are traitors of the most despicable kind, and they merit the fate that in a more just and rational time, America exacted upon traitors.

(Photo here of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg in their caskets)

When the last liberal is dead, America will be a far, far better place.

Uhh, yeah so about whether you should be considered a hate site? I think you should probably already know the answer to that one Idiots...

474 darthstar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:25:56am

re: #472 Killgore Trout

Reuters picks up the phoney truce story: Phony truce may have lured Hamas man into open
Looks almost word for word copy of the Ma'an (palestinian media) article linked earlier.

If true, however, it's less than desirable optics.

475 darthstar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:27:02am

If you didn't serve, you're a couch warrior.

Full disclosure: I never served in the armed forces. I'm a couch conscientious objector.

476 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:27:32am

I can press the Button of Doom from my couch...

477 darthstar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:28:44am

re: #476 Varek Raith

I can press the Button of Doom from my couch...

You're a couch intergallactic startrooper.

478 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:28:46am

re: #476 Varek Raith

I can press the Button of Doom from my couch...

Hedonismbot can handle that task as well, but probably wouldn't bother.

479 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:30:14am

Hey now, I may be a couch warrior, but I'm a well-accomplished one. I've sent numerous soldiers to their deaths. Granted, it was only in video games, but I still mourn the losses!

//

480 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:31:18am

re: #479 Targetpractice

Hey now, I may be a couch warrior, but I'm a well-accomplished one. I've sent numerous soldiers to their deaths. Granted, it was only in video games, but I still mourn the losses!

//

Same.
Except the mourning part.

481 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:33:58am

re: #475 darthstar

If you didn't serve, you're a couch warrior.

Full disclosure: I never served in the armed forces. I'm a couch conscientious objector.

I disagree. To read about and analyze foreign military operations without having been in the armed forces does not make one a 'couch warrior'.

482 darthstar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:36:30am

Good news about evolving opinions in the GOP though...they're almost up to 1974.

483 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:37:57am

re: #482 darthstar

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Good news about evolving opinions in the GOP though...they're almost up to 1974.

Between the ages of 18-29...
So...like 8 people?

484 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:39:04am

re: #483 Varek Raith

Between the ages of 18-29...
So...like 8 people?

But only four of them believe in marriage equality...

/

485 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:39:48am

Posted less than a minute apart:

[*headdesk*]

486 darthstar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:39:50am

re: #481 Dark_Falcon

I disagree. To read about and analyze foreign military operations without having been in the armed forces does not make one a 'couch warrior'.

You demonstrate detailed knowledge about weapons ranging from an M-16 to the types of rockets used by militants in Gaza to Russian aircraft. You live for this shit. You're not just a couch warrior...you could be the model for couch warrior recruiting posters.

487 Inconsequential Consequence  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:39:58am

re: #454 Killgore Trout

That only counts if you go through the foreclosure process in the courts. Debt forgiven outright, even if it's mortgage debt, still counts as income.

So they'll owe taxes on the debt instead of the debt.
A $14,000 debt
at 25% tax rate
= $3500 debt

488 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:40:11am

re: #484 watching you tiny alien kittens are

But only four of them believe in marriage equality...

/

Divorce lawyers in the making...
/

489 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:40:22am

re: #474 darthstar

If true, however, it's less than desirable optics.

It's not really true. What the article basically says is that Hamas thought the Israelis would allow them to launch over 100 rockets in a week without responding. That's not much of a truce, is it? Also the Hamas leader killed sealed his fate a long time ago for his role in taking Shalit hostage. He lived only as long as Israel allowed him to.

490 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:41:11am

re: #485 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

Posted less than a minute apart:

[Embedded content]

[*headdesk*]

"Dim" Jim rides again.

491 darthstar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:42:53am

re: #489 Killgore Trout

It's not really true. What the article basically says is that Hamas thought the Israelis would allow them to launch over 100 rockets in a week without responding. That's not much of a truce, is it? Also the Hamas leader killed sealed his fate a long time ago for his role in taking Shalit hostage. He lived only as long as Israel allowed him to.

Well, I'm glad I don't have to negotiate with Israel. You make them out to be pretty insincere in the peace process. That's not very fair to the Israeli people, who probably would prefer not to be used as political fodder by their government.

492 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:43:08am

re: #483 Varek Raith

I know 4 of them. All have gone to Libertarianism.

One of them, who used to be a sweet girl, has called me paranoid about me being worried about Republicans wanting to Persecute Muslims. Also called my politics outdated.

While the depression is under control, I can't deny it makes me sadder and lonelier.

493 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:43:52am

re: #485 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

Posted less than a minute apart:

[Embedded content]

[*headdesk*]

Lol at his 'methodology'.

In some parts of rural Maine, there were dozens, dozens of black people who came in and voted on Election Day. Everybody has a right to vote, but nobody in town knows anyone who’s black. How did that happen? I don’t know. We’re going to find out….

I’m not politically correct and maybe I shouldn’t have said these voters were black, but anyone who suggests I have a bias toward any race or group, frankly, that’s sleazy.

Nobody I know voted for Romney so...
XD

494 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:44:10am

re: #486 darthstar

You demonstrate detailed knowledge about weapons ranging from an M-16 to the types of rockets used by militants in Gaza to Russian aircraft. You live for this shit. You're not just a couch warrior...you could be the model for couch warrior recruiting posters.

Detailed knowledge, yes. But I don't claim I could handle them in combat and I show deference to those that do. "Couch Warrior" in my mind is more like Iron Fist of the Stalker Blog.

495 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:46:04am

re: #491 darthstar

Well, I'm glad I don't have to negotiate with Israel. You make them out to be pretty insincere in the peace process. That's not very fair to the Israeli people, who probably would prefer not to be used as political fodder by their government.

Israel isn't trying to negotiate peace with Hamas. They had been trying to get Hamas to halt the rocket fire, and Hamas refused to do so. Diplomacy have been given a chance and having failed, more direct measures are now being employed.

496 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:46:14am

re: #473 watching you tiny alien kittens are

OK that seems like a reasonable question, or at least it does until you read the replies he got, one of which goes like this...

That probably sounded a lot more sinister in the original German.

497 BongCrodny  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:46:36am

re: #383 Decatur Deb

Breaking News: BP to Pay $4 Billion Fine and Plead Guilty to 14 Criminal Charges in 2010 Gulf Oil Spill nyti.ms/RWhL04

So this corporate person will be doing time in a federal prison?

Either that, or they're going to need a really big ankle monitor.

498 RadicalModerate  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:46:46am

re: #482 darthstar

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Good news about evolving opinions in the GOP though...they're almost up to 1974.

Rapidly moving from 1974 toward 1953.

Evolution!

499 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:48:26am

re: #485 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

Maine Republican Party Chairman Charlie Webster is once again alleging possible voting irregularities, this time claiming that groups of unknown black people showed up in some rural towns to vote on Election Day.

Webster made the claim in a wide-ranging, post-election interview this week with Don Carrigan of WCSH-TV.

“In some parts of rural Maine, there were dozens, dozens of black people who came in and voted on Election Day,” he said. “Everybody has a right to vote, but nobody in (these) towns knows anyone who’s black. How did that happen? I don’t know. We’re going to find out.”

When Carrigan pressed Webster on where it happened, Webster provided no specifics or proof of his claims, but said the party would investigate further.

OK then Mr. Webster, how did these people vote if they were not registered? Did they fill out provisional ballots instead? Why were those provisional ballots counted if they did not come from valid registered residents?

No answers to anything? Nope I thought not you lying sack of shit...

500 darthstar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:48:57am

re: #495 Dark_Falcon

Diplomacy have been given a chance and having failed, more direct measures are now being employed.

That's couch warrior talk.

And your opinion of this tack is? Direct measures have been employed for the last few decades with no progress...ever since diplomacy 'failed'...

501 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:49:24am

re: #491 darthstar

Well, I'm glad I don't have to negotiate with Israel. You make them out to be pretty insincere in the peace process. That's not very fair to the Israeli people, who probably would prefer not to be used as political fodder by their government.

Where is the evidence that there was any "peace plan" being negotiated?

502 darthstar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:49:56am

re: #383 Decatur Deb

Breaking News: BP to Pay $4 Billion Fine and Plead Guilty to 14 Criminal Charges in 2010 Gulf Oil Spill nyti.ms/RWhL04

Elections have consequences. Romney lost, so they took the plea deal.

503 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:50:03am

re: #491 darthstar

Well, I'm glad I don't have to negotiate with Israel. You make them out to be pretty insincere in the peace process. That's not very fair to the Israeli people, who probably would prefer not to be used as political fodder by their government.

I think the Israeli people would prefer not to be under rocket attack.

504 BongCrodny  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:50:52am

re: #482 darthstar

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49% of Republicans between the ages of 18 and 29 support marriage equality. #evolve

I'll be convinced of that when they start voting that way.

505 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:50:52am

re: #454 Killgore Trout

That only counts if you go through the foreclosure process in the courts. Debt forgiven outright, even if it's mortgage debt, still counts as income.

You don't seem to understand a lot of this is debt is post-foreclosure debt. When your house gets foreclosed on, it doesn't wipe out your debt in 41 states-- they can still sue for more. This is very common in the current market, where mortgages were taken at the height, but the houses were foreclosed and sold during the downmarket.

It's really adorable watching you try to make a negative of this, but what I said first still holds; That there are possible downsides doesn't negate the upside. It's pretty simple for an ordinary person to calculate that having their debt cut to a fraction of what it was before is good.

506 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:51:56am

re: #500 darthstar

That's couch warrior talk.

And your opinion of this tack is? Direct measures have been employed for the last few decades with no progress...ever since diplomacy 'failed'...

Land for peace also failed after Israel withdrew from Gaza. There is no solution the Israelis can impose. The only choice is to deplete their capabilities and contain terrorist activity as best they can. Any peace would involve the Palestinians choosing to give up terrorism and dreams of destroying Israel. That's not going to happen any time soon.

507 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:52:11am

re: #500 darthstar

That's couch warrior talk.

And your opinion of this tack is? Direct measures have been employed for the last few decades with no progress...ever since diplomacy 'failed'...

No real progress is possible as long as the Palestinians reject Israel's right to exist. Direct measures contain the threat and keep it within survivable limits. But there's nothing more any viable approach can do, due to Palestinian intransigence.

508 makeitstop  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:52:18am

re: #487 b_Snark

So they'll owe taxes on the debt instead of the debt.
A $14,000 debt
at 25% tax rate
= $3500 debt

But, but, but....rapey-stabby!

/

509 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:53:28am

re: #492 ProGunLiberal

I know 4 of them. All have gone to Libertarianism.

One of them, who used to be a sweet girl, has called me paranoid about me being worried about Republicans wanting to Persecute Muslims. Also called my politics outdated.

While the depression is under control, I can't deny it makes me sadder and lonelier.

Sanity can be lonely at times. Hand in there, PLL.

510 gwangung  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:55:03am
“In some parts of rural Maine, there were dozens, dozens of black people who came in and voted on Election Day,” he said. “Everybody has a right to vote, but nobody in (these) towns knows anyone who’s black. How did that happen? I don’t know. We’re going to find out.”

I suspect having good taste in friends is the culprit.

511 darthstar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:56:28am

re: #501 Vicious Babushka

Where is the evidence that there was any "peace plan" being negotiated?

Good point. The current approach is working as planned...no need to change. Netanyahu can use the recent attacks for all sorts of retaliatory measures in the name of defense.

512 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:58:16am

re: #499 watching you tiny alien kittens are

OK then Mr. Webster, how did these people vote if they were not registered? Did they fill out provisional ballots instead? Why were those provisional ballots counted if they did not come from valid registered residents?

No answers to anything? Nope I thought not you lying sack of shit...

Maine has same-day registration. I don't know what the mechanisms are, but the online Maine Voter's Guide doesn't say anything about provisional ballots.

513 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:00:39am

re: #509 Dark_Falcon

Not only that, her politics have taken a smug, elitist tone nowadays.

Irony is, she is in grad school for teaching US History. She should understand that we have done the actions she wants us to do now before. It was called the Gilded Age. That period from the 1870s to WWI, and the brief return that finally ended in 1929.

514 allegro  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:01:11am

re: #502 darthstar

Elections have consequences. Romney lost, so they took the plea deal.

That could explain the BP ads I've been seeing lately telling us here on the Gulf Coast how wonderful everything is now with all the money the company has spent so generously to make it all better, even better than before!

Of course, there's no mention of the horribly mutated sea life and those people who lost their livelihoods forever.

515 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:01:22am

re: #497 BongCrodny

Either that, or they're going to need a really big ankle monitor.

We'll hang Rhode Island on BP in order to keep track of where they are.
/

516 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:02:22am

re: #513 ProGunLiberal

Granted, for me Politics in the realm of welfare, taking care of the poor, and economic regulations are so infused with my faith that arguments on those tend to take on a character of fire and brimstone.

517 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:02:47am

re: #514 allegro

That could explain the BP ads I've been seeing lately telling us here on the Gulf Coast how wonderful everything is now with all the money the company has spent so generously to make it all better, even better than before!

Of course, there's no mention of the horribly mutated sea life and those people who lost their livelihoods forever.

Or that the oil industry still has no fucking clue how to clean up from a deep water disaster.
Or that their oil clean up tech and tactics is from the 70s.

518 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:02:52am

re: #511 darthstar

Good point. The current approach is working as planned...no need to change. Netanyahu can use the recent attacks for all sorts of retaliatory measures in the name of defense.

What approach would you favor? Israel is under attack, and Gaza is under Hamas' control. If someone's got a bright idea, I'd love to hear it.

519 RadicalModerate  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:03:26am

re: #473 watching you tiny alien kittens are

This is a thread created yesterday at that site.

They have a problem with white nationalist Christian Identity organizations being designated as "hate groups" by the SPLC. They go as far as to claim that putting groups like the New Black Panthers is just window dressing - even though the SPLC actively tracks them as much as they do groups like Aryan Nations.

[Link: libertydwells.com...]

520 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:05:22am

re: #511 darthstar

Good point. The current approach is working as planned...no need to change. Netanyahu can use the recent attacks for all sorts of retaliatory measures in the name of defense.

Well gee, please tell me what is the approach darthstar recommends for dealing with the ongoing rocket attacks.

521 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:05:41am

re: #511 darthstar

Good point. The current approach is working as planned...no need to change. Netanyahu can use the recent attacks for all sorts of retaliatory measures in the name of defense.

Oh, brother! Israel has tried and tried to gain peace; Even Netanyahu has tried more than once. But for anything viable to occur Israel needs the Palestinians to show good faith, which has never happened. Until they show that good faith, it's the Palestians own fault thsat the Israelis won't talk to them.

522 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:09:15am

I gave uip on any hope of peace years ago, the best we can hope for is that they keep the killing down to a minimum...

523 Inconsequential Consequence  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:13:00am

re: #518 SanFranciscoZionist

What approach would you favor? Israel is under attack, and Gaza is under Hamas' control. If someone's got a bright idea, I'd love to hear it.

Nail their shoes to the ground and tie the laces in a knot. Don't cut the laces until they work out a solution.

525 dragonfire1981  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:14:08am

Just for fun, I give you: The Tale of Republican Santa Claus

526 dragonfire1981  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:17:16am

ATTENTION BUSINESS OWNERS

Don't like having to pay for Obamacare? I have the perfect solution for you: Single Payer. That way the government and people pay for healthcare and you don't have worry about it. What a novel idea huh?

527 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:17:44am

Greetings People! I'm back from Portugal! What did I miss?


I had gone to Porto to see/hear Maestro Bradley Lubman conduct the Oporto "Remix Ensemble" in a Boulez / Bruno Montovani program.

The program was Bruno Mantovani's La Sette Chiese and three pieces by Pierre Boulez: Memoriale, Eclat, and cummings ist der Dichter (for Orchestra and Chorus).

The Casa da Música is very interesting, designed by Rem Koolhaas. Here's a photo I took of Maestro Lubman in front of it:

Image: 8187845611_d3e0753ca6_b.jpg

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

528 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:19:05am

CHICAGO (FOX 32 News) -Sources tell FOX 32 News that Congressman Jesse Jackson Jr. is willing to give up his 2nd Congressional District seat if he's given disability when he steps down.
[Link: www.myfoxchicago.com...]
Enjoy your cell.

529 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:20:09am

Anonymous warns Israel against continued bombing of Gaza

As Israel’s campaign in Gaza showed no signs of abating, hacktivist group Anonymous threatened to take action against Israeli government for shutting down internet and telecommunication in the narrow strip, according to a press release issued by Anonymous Operation Israel.

The release stated, “For far too long, Anonymous has stood by with the rest of the world and watched in despair the barbaric, brutal and despicable treatment of the Palestinian people in the so called “Occupied Territories” by the Israel Defence Force.”

530 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:22:12am

Ex-Chaplain Gordon Klingenschmitt has made it into the news once again for attacking Sen. Al Franken’s proposed Student Non-Discrimination Act...

Klingenschmitt Warns Gays are 'Stealing' Children and 'Warping their Minds'

"The only way they have children is to recruit or in this case adopt the children of heterosexual couples which amounts to child abuse and child recruiting. That’s why they’re trying to get into our kindergarten books and trying to take over our public schools and homosexualize our public education so that they can recruit children into homosexuality and maintain their pool of available sex partners for their own progeny, which is our children that they are stealing and warping their minds."

Holy shit the man has become certifiably insane now...

531 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:22:24am

re: #529 Killgore Trout

Anonymous warns Israel against continued bombing of Gaza

Amazing! If free speech/free internet activists don't like what you say, they'll shut you up.

532 darthstar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:23:31am

re: #520 Vicious Babushka

Well gee, please tell me what is the approach darthstar recommends for dealing with the ongoing rocket attacks.

I don't have a fucking clue. Maybe a blue-helmet intervention? Though the last thing the Palestinians want is more occupiers and Israel insists it's perfectly capable of defending itself. This has been going on for generations. The people dying in this conflict were born into it.

Yes, diplomacy is slow and there will be flare ups (like the one we're seeing this week), but if Israel could have bombed their way to peace with the Palestinians they would have done so thirty years ago.

I've often said, and will say it again, this won't be resolved until the current leadership dies off (on both sides - in another ten to fifteen years) and is slowly replaced with people who actually want an end to the conflict. I realize many here have friends and family living in Israel and Palestine. I know a number of developers from my previous company who live and work in Yehut. I don't want them to be injured or killed any more than the next person.

533 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:24:06am

re: #529 Killgore Trout

Anonymous warns Israel against continued bombing of Gaza

To: Anonymous

RE: Your demands that Israel passively endure artillery bombardment.

NUTS!

- Israel and all others who value real peace and real freedom

534 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:24:09am

Couldn't sleep last night. Ended-up watching the Fox and Friends that my husband has in when he is getting dressed and such in the early morning. Talk about a way to start your day --faux outrage, no matter so many Fox viewers seem angry.

And what is it with the glamour make-up and girdles on the Fox women. Haute Couture runway models are more natural looking.

and your day so far?

535 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:24:13am

re: #526 dragonfire1981

ATTENTION BUSINESS OWNERS

Don't like having to pay for Obamacare? I have the perfect solution for you: Single Payer. That way the government and people pay for healthcare and you don't have worry about it. What a novel idea huh?

That's what gets me, most of our major trading partners have some form of universal health care, which has created a situation where folks in Europe have far more financial mobility than the supposed "land of the free." Where folks don't have to take health benefits into consideration when looking for a job.

536 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:25:06am

re: #532 darthstar

You do know how biased the UN is against Israel, don't you?

537 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:25:10am

re: #532 darthstar

The people dying in this conflict were born into it.

You really don't even understand what insensitive shit you just posted.

538 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:25:23am
539 dragonfire1981  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:25:43am

"The only way they have children is to recruit or in this case adopt the children of heterosexual couples which amounts to child abuse and child recruiting. That’s why they’re trying to get into our kindergarten books and trying to take over our public schools and homosexualize our public education so that they can recruit children into homosexuality and maintain their pool of available sex partners for their own progeny, which is our children that they are stealing and warping their minds."

I openly admit one of things I struggle with as a Christian is the notion that it would be, theoretically, more pleasing to God to have a child living with an alcoholic father and emotionally detached mother than a stable home with say , two fathers.

Now a lot of Christians will tell you the answer to this is that there's no such thing as a stable home when a homosexual couple is involved. I have a really tough time buying that and tend to believe that there are stable and troubled homosexual households just as there are stable and troubled heterosexual households.

540 darthstar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:25:50am

re: #533 Dark_Falcon

To: Anonymous

RE: Your demands that Israel passively endure artillery bombardment.

NUTS!

- Israel and all others who value real peace and real freedom

Hey, Charles just rebuilt this place. Don't stir the shit, couch warrior.

541 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:26:12am

re: #531 ReamWorks SKG

Amazing! If free speech/free internet activists don't like what you say, they'll shut you up.

Of course! Free speech is a one way street./
Anonymous Attacks Israeli Web Sites

In a coordinated action that began at 3 a.m. New York time Thursday, hackers attacked Web sites belonging to the Israel Defense Forces, the prime minister’s office, Israeli banks, airlines and security companies by flooding them with Web traffic, in a campaign they called #OpIsrael.

Though hackers boasted on Twitter that they had taken some 40 Israeli sites offline, Radware, a computer security company, said that in all but a few cases they were unsuccessful. But they did take down a blog page belonging to the I.D.F. and replaced the home page of what they said was a private Israeli surveillance and security company with an image of Gaza in flames and the following message: “Stop bombing Gaza! Millions of Israelis & Palestinians are lying awake, exposed and terrified.”

542 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:26:55am

re: #534 Gretchen G.Tiger

Couldn't sleep last night. Ended-up watching the Fox and Friends that my husband has in when he is getting dressed and such in the early morning. Talk about a way to start your day --faux outrage, no matter so many Fox viewers seem angry.

And what is it with the glamour make-up and girdles on the Fox women. Haute Couture runway models are more natural looking.

and your day so far?

Confined to the house because the Explorer picked the week before I go on a week's vacation to develop a bad fuel pump. Already looked up the work required and it's gonna be a weekend project, because the pump's located above the fuel tank, meaning it's gotta be drained and dropped.

Well, guess it's a good thing I live within walking distance to my job.

543 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:27:11am

re: #532 darthstar

Thank you for hitting my ideas like a nail.

544 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:27:44am

re: #540 darthstar

Hey, Charles just rebuilt this place. Don't stir the shit, couch warrior.

LGF is and always has been pro-freedom, pro-Israel, and anti-terrorism. Deal with it.

I've got an interview via Skype in a few minutes, so no more from me here till it's over.

545 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:28:19am

re: #535 Targetpractice

A great many business owners--including me, and certainly many of the biggest employers--would love "single payer". Don't you think companies wouldn't mind not having to worry about employee health care?

It's really just the wacky right--the poor people of the red states--who oppose it the most, along with some right-wing elitists who don't like it on "principle."

546 Political Atheist  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:29:53am

re: #544 Dark_Falcon

Good luck with that interview +1

547 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:30:09am

I just checked! The .il version of my personal and business sites are still up! Take _that_, anonymous!

548 GunstarGreen  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:30:30am

re: #539 dragonfire1981

"The only way they have children is to recruit or in this case adopt the children of heterosexual couples which amounts to child abuse and child recruiting. That’s why they’re trying to get into our kindergarten books and trying to take over our public schools and homosexualize our public education so that they can recruit children into homosexuality and maintain their pool of available sex partners for their own progeny, which is our children that they are stealing and warping their minds."

I openly admit one of things I struggle with as a Christian is the notion that it would be, theoretically, more pleasing to God to have a child living with an alcoholic father and emotionally detached mother than a stable home with say , two fathers.

Now a lot of Christians will tell you the answer to this is that there's no such thing as a stable home when a homosexual couple is involved. I have a really tough time buying that and tend to believe that there are stable and troubled homosexual households just as there are stable and troubled heterosexual households.

The simple answer is that God, at least as interpreted and set forth in the Christian Bible, is wrong on this issue.

549 dragonfire1981  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:31:57am

re: #545 ReamWorks SKG

A great many business owners--including me, and certainly many of the biggest employers--would love "single payer". Don't you think companies wouldn't mind not having to worry about employee health care?

It's really just the wacky right--the poor people of the red states--who oppose it the most, along with some right-wing elitists who don't like it on "principle."

It just drives me nuts that this major business owners are griping and moaning about having to pay a little more. There will still be plenty going into their pockets. I mean come on boys, is it really a big deal to have to wait another couple of months to buy that fancy Yacht or Lamborghini?

550 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:32:58am

Ok! Back to work. The news is too depressing to read today. I worry even more about Israel losing the PR war, and the support of progressives and liberals than I do about rockets from Gaza. (My next trip to Israel is booked already for April.)

551 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:33:37am

re: #549 dragonfire1981

It just drives me nuts that this major business owners are griping and moaning about having to pay a little more. There will still be plenty going into their pockets. I mean come on boys, is it really a big deal to have to wait another couple of months to buy that fancy Yacht or Lamborghini?

Big business is trying to put themselves in the same category as your local independent plumber or CPA.

552 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:34:21am

re: #549 dragonfire1981

Now you're just pushing my buttons! And, I'll have you know I spend my money on Faziolis, not Lamborghinis.

553 dragonfire1981  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:35:38am

re: #548 GunstarGreen

The simple answer is that God, at least as interpreted and set forth in the Christian Bible, is wrong on this issue.

Well the intriguing thing to me, as a Christian, is that Christ never addressed homosexuality. It seems to be that if this was extremely important to God he would have spoke about it. He spent plenty of time on love, marriage, friendship, family, dealing with authority. He also sharply rebuked many of the religious authorities of his days. Indeed, Christ's harshest words were not for non-believers but for for the religious.

The homosexuality issue is a big one I've been wrestling with God over. I'm hetero myself, but I'm referring to the oft repeated doctrine that homosexuality is evil, sinful, etc. and the way it's been interpreted through the years.

554 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:35:53am

re: #549 dragonfire1981

It just drives me nuts that this major business owners are griping and moaning about having to pay a little more. There will still be plenty going into their pockets. I mean come on boys, is it really a big deal to have to wait another couple of months to buy that fancy Yacht or Lamborghini?

When you come to view employees as an expense, as a piece of equipment that is replaceable and interchangeable, then the cost of providing them health care can't be justified. Gone are the days of men like Henry Ford and paying your employees enough that they can afford to buy your products. Now are the days of seeing employees as cogs in the machine.

555 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:36:15am

re: #552 ReamWorks SKG

Now you're just pushing my buttons! And, I'll have you know I spend my money on Faziolis, not Lamborghinis.

Faziolis --LOL

I read that as Fazioli--I had my first bowl of the season of Pasta Fazioli this week.

It's better than Chili, IMHO, as cold weather food.

556 dragonfire1981  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:37:30am

re: #554 Targetpractice

When you come to view employees as an expense, as a piece of equipment that is replaceable and interchangeable, then the cost of providing them health care can't be justified. Gone are the days of men like Henry Ford and paying your employees enough that they can afford to buy your products. Now are the days of seeing employees as cogs in the machine.

Employees should be seen as ASSETS and should also be seen as something more than a piece of equipment or a building or a product or any other item on a spreadsheet.

But what the heck do I know?

557 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:38:44am

re: #553 dragonfire1981

Well the intriguing thing to me, as a Christian, is that Christ never addressed homosexuality. It seems to be that if this was extremely important to God he would have spoke about it. He spent plenty of time on love, marriage, friendship, family, dealing with authority. He also sharply rebuked many of the religious authorities of his days. Indeed, Christ's harshest words were not for non-believers but for for the religious.

The homosexuality issue is a big one I've been wrestling with God over. I'm hetero myself, but I'm referring to the oft repeated doctrine that homosexuality is evil, sinful, etc. and the way it's been interpreted through the years.

I don't think it's as much as a "moral" thing but a subconscious way to remove competition --for jobs, resources and the line to get into heaven.

"If we can marginalize certain categories of people, our lives will be easier and my opportunities will be greater"

558 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:38:53am

re: #542 Targetpractice

Confined to the house because the Explorer picked the week before I go on a week's vacation to develop a bad fuel pump. Already looked up the work required and it's gonna be a weekend project, because the pump's located above the fuel tank, meaning it's gotta be drained and dropped.

Well, guess it's a good thing I live within walking distance to my job.

Check your trunk (possibly the bottom of your spare tire well). Sometimes they will put a little trap door there to get to the pump so you don't have to drop the tank.

559 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:39:23am

re: #532 darthstar

I've often said, and will say it again, this won't be resolved until the current leadership dies off (on both sides - in another ten to fifteen years) and is slowly replaced with people who actually want an end to the conflict.

I see it differently. I see the generation that could have made peace dying off, and a new generation, raised with little hope for peace, and no memory of better times, coming into power.

If Sharon and Arafat had remained healthy and alive, I honestly think we might have gotten something.

I'm a disillusioned peace process booster. When we give up, we give up hard.

560 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:40:49am

re: #559 SanFranciscoZionist

I see it differently. I see the generation that could have made peace dying off, and a new generation, raised with little hope for peace, and no memory of better times, coming into power.

If Sharon and Arafat had remained healthy and alive, I honestly think we might have gotten something.

I'm a disillusioned peace process booster. When we give up, we give up hard.

I am as well.

I still think the best solution is to make Israel a DMZ like the strip between North and South Korea. Let the Swiss administer it.

I'm reminded of what teachers do when two children fight over something --neither of them get it.

561 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:42:31am

re: #559 SanFranciscoZionist

I see it differently. I see the generation that could have made peace dying off, and a new generation, raised with little hope for peace, and no memory of better times, coming into power.

If Sharon Rabin and Arafat had remained healthy and alive, I honestly think we might have gotten something.

I'm a disillusioned peace process booster. When we give up, we give up hard.

I think it all went to shit when Rabin was killed. I can't say that Arafat was a real "peace" partner, that's not the reason he was chosen. Arafat was chosen because he was thought to be a "unifier" but he was really just out for himself.

562 darthstar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:42:35am

re: #552 ReamWorks SKG

Now you're just pushing my buttons! And, I'll have you know I spend my money on Faziolis, not Lamborghinis.

A buddy of mine just bought a used Lambourghini - a yellow one. 5K miles on it. Saved 90,000 dollars on the price of a new one...such a deal. Of course, the real cost of those cars is the maintenance...1200 dollar oil changes and the tires only last about five or six thousand miles...he already replaced all four and he's only had the car a few months.

563 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:42:51am

re: #540 darthstar

Hey, Charles just rebuilt this place. Don't stir the shit, couch warrior.

I take Anonymous as a party to this conflict rather less seriously than Code Pink.

564 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:42:52am

re: #560 Gretchen G.Tiger

I am as well.

I still think the best solution is to make Israel a DMZ like the strip between North and South Korea. Let the Swiss administer it.

I'm reminded of what teachers do when two children fight over something --neither of them get it.

Problem is that you probably can't make it wide enough to prevent rockets from being tossed over it.

565 RadicalModerate  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:42:56am

I see that The National Review's Rich "Affirirmative Action for White Nationalists" Lowry is desperately blowing his dogwhistle again.

The amnesty fantasy

The networks had barely called the election for President Barack Obama before GOP elites rushed to embrace an amnesty for illegal immigrants.

Getting killed by almost 3-to-1 among Latino voters understandably concentrates the mind, but it’s no reason to lose it. The post-election Republican reaction has been built on equal parts panic, wishful thinking and ethnic pandering.

In this opinion piece he's honestly saying that Republicans should not attempt to win over Latino voters, even in the wake of the party's shellacking in the 2012 elections.

566 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:44:24am

I am feeling really pissed off today because some people that my son and DIL were friends with have been killed. (Saw their Facebook feeds)

I don't mean FACEBOOK friends, I mean In Real Life face-to-face friends.

567 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:44:27am

re: #548 GunstarGreen

The simple answer is that God, at least as interpreted and set forth in the Christian Bible, is wrong on this issue.

The MEN who actually wrote and compiled the Bible and called it the Word of G-d, were wrong.

It's about Power and Control --and has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with any concept of morality.

568 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:44:57am

re: #560 Gretchen G.Tiger

I am as well.

I still think the best solution is to make Israel a DMZ like the strip between North and South Korea. Let the Swiss administer it.

I'm reminded of what teachers do when two children fight over something --neither of them get it.

North and South Korea didn't have to give up sovereignty for that to happen, though. There's no room in this situation for a DMZ-type strip.

569 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:45:30am

re: #560 Gretchen G.Tiger

I am as well.

I still think the best solution is to make Israel a DMZ like the strip between North and South Korea. Let the Swiss administer it.

I'm reminded of what teachers do when two children fight over something --neither of them get it.

And the right of the world to act as teacher in this case seems dubious.

570 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:45:43am

re: #564 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears

Problem is that you probably can't make it wide enough to prevent rockets from being tossed over it.

So very true.

*sigh*

571 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:45:52am

re: #561 Vicious Babushka

I think it all went to shit when Rabin was killed. I can't say that Arafat was a real "peace" partner, that's not the reason he was chosen. Arafat was chosen because he was thought to be a "unifier" but he was really just out for himself.

I can't believe it's been seventeen years.

572 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:46:06am

re: #566 Vicious Babushka

I am feeling really pissed off today because some people that my son and DIL were friends with have been killed. (Saw their Facebook feeds)

((((Baba))))

573 darthstar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:46:14am

re: #559 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm a disillusioned peace process booster. When we give up, we give up hard.

It's up to us to teach the next generation to work for peace. Right now, there are too many parties interested in keeping the peace process from working - and some of them live here in the US and see Israel as a political pawn for helping them foment instability throughout the middle east. That, too, has to change.

574 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:46:37am

re: #566 Vicious Babushka

I am feeling really pissed off today because some people that my son and DIL were friends with have been killed. (Saw their Facebook feeds)

I don't mean FACEBOOK friends, I mean In Real Life face-to-face friends.

I am so sorry. People who were in Kiryat Malachi?

575 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:46:59am

G'day lizards! A few random thoughts today.
1. Looking to see what new developments today in the DC Sex scandal story.
( The real housewives of Afghanistan )
2. This crazy state passed the open carry firearms law. So when I go walking Winston today I think I'll strap on my 9mm pistol for the hell of it.
3. I don't have a solution for the ME issues but when I resolve it in my mind you guys will be the first to know.

576 darthstar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:47:17am

re: #566 Vicious Babushka

I am feeling really pissed off today because some people that my son and DIL were friends with have been killed. (Saw their Facebook feeds)

I don't mean FACEBOOK friends, I mean In Real Life face-to-face friends.

I'm sorry for your loss.

577 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:47:37am

re: #569 SanFranciscoZionist

And the right of the world to act as teacher in this case seems dubious.

I know, I know.

My mind wants to reach for anything that might stop all the violence. It's just to much for me.

Humans!

578 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:48:11am

re: #560 Gretchen G.Tiger

Let the Swiss administer it.

Just as well as they administered Holocaust victims bank accounts.

(Not going Godwin, the Swiss really did administer the Holocaust victims bank accounts so well they kept all the money for themselves instead of distributing it to the survivors)

579 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:48:39am

re: #574 SanFranciscoZionist

I am so sorry. People who were in Kiryat Malachi?

Yeah. Neighbors of my daughter-in-law (she is from Nahalat Har Chabad)

580 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:48:41am

re: #554 Targetpractice

When you come to view employees as an expense, as a piece of equipment that is replaceable and interchangeable, then the cost of providing them health care can't be justified. Gone are the days of men like Henry Ford and paying your employees enough that they can afford to buy your products. Now are the days of seeing employees as cogs in the machine.

But you would think they would at least give them preventative maintenance and call in a tech if the machinery broke down.

581 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:49:50am

re: #578 Vicious Babushka

Just as well as they administered Holocaust victims bank accounts.

(Not going Godwin, the Swiss really did administer the Holocaust victims bank accounts so well they kept all the money for themselves instead of distributing it to the survivors)

I know, I know

I'm just grasping at the wind.

582 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:50:13am

re: #565 RadicalModerate

I see that The National Review's Rich "Affirirmative Action for White Nationalists" Lowry is desperately blowing his dogwhistle again.

The amnesty fantasy

In this opinion piece he's honestly saying that Republicans should not attempt to win over Latino voters, even in the wake of the party's shellacking in the 2012 elections.

Seems more an argument that the GOP not only hasn't won them over, but can't win them over, so they should continue to rail against amnesty. This bit towards the end though got me nearly rolling in laughter:

Whenever it is pointed out that illegal immigration tends to harm low-skilled workers already here, the comeback is the scurrilous canard that there are “some jobs that no Americans will do.” But most hotel maids, construction workers, coal miners and workers in meatpacking — all tough, thankless jobs — are U.S.-born. If it is hard to entice legal workers into such positions, here is a radical concept: pay them more.

This news just in: Blind squirrel finds nut.

583 GunstarGreen  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:50:35am

re: #567 Gretchen G.Tiger

The MEN who actually wrote and compiled the Bible and called it the Word of G-d, were wrong.

It's about Power and Control --and has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with any concept of morality.

I try to make small concessions towards my fellow humans that choose to believe in a higher power.

That being said, I openly condemn any deity that would seek to punish, in any way whatsoever, people that have done no harm to anyone else. Harm of course being measured in real, practical terms rather than 'harm' by putting them in violation of arbitrary religious tenants.

584 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:50:39am

Had lunch yesterday with my Baba --(my adopted Jewish Parents).

I'm so glad there is a USA.

585 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:53:33am

re: #577 Gretchen G.Tiger

I know, I know.

My mind wants to reach for anything that might stop all the violence. It's just to much for me.

Humans!

The terrible thing is that the violence is really small beans compared to, well, a hell of a lot of other places. Syria's off the charts right now. Iraq is racking up far more deaths than the I/P situation. More than 3800 people have died in Mexico's drug war this year.

This is close to my heart, but in terms of fires the world needs to put out, it's--little.

586 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:53:48am

re: #531 ReamWorks SKG

Amazing! If free speech/free internet activists don't like what you say, they'll shut you up.

Cutting off other people's internet access is speech now?

587 darthstar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:53:58am

Back to the other front in the War on Error...sweet, sweet, schadenfreude.

The Republican critics of Mitt Romney have had enough of their party’s failed presidential nominee. After Romney told donors his loss last week was due to “gifts” President Obama and the Democrats bestowed on women and minorities, Republicans are essentially coming together in a collective “go away, Mitt.”

I knew they'd turn on him like rabid dogs...I just didn't expect, or dream, that it would happen this fast.

588 darthstar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:54:45am

re: #586 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

Cutting off other people's internet access is speech now?

I will give up my porn when it slips from my warm, lubed fingers.

589 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:55:13am

re: #586 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

Cutting off other people's internet access is speech now?

Anon is attacking Israeli websites today.

590 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:55:35am

re: #585 SanFranciscoZionist

It is much more that there is no end in sight, not even a beginning of a pathway. Palestinians are so radicalized, Israel has, as you say, mostly people who don't have any hope and largely seem to be going through the motions, to me.

The only thing I can do is remind myself that The Troubles seemed insoluble to me when I was a kid. My brother almost got killed by an IRA bomb when he was in London for college.

591 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:57:07am

re: #532 darthstar

I've often said, and will say it again, this won't be resolved until the current leadership dies off (on both sides - in another ten to fifteen years) and is slowly replaced with people who actually want an end to the conflict. I realize many here have friends and family living in Israel and Palestine. I know a number of developers from my previous company who live and work in Yehut. I don't want them to be injured or killed any more than the next person.

There are still enough people outside who have to political or ideological interest in resolving the conflict, and as long as they are still meddling, things will not settle down. I do not expect it in my lifetime (I'm 53)

592 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:57:13am

re: #585 SanFranciscoZionist

Yet, it gets 1000 times the attention most of the other travesties do.

Which I'm still trying to understand for those without personal ties to the situation.

593 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:58:03am

re: #533 Dark_Falcon

To: Anonymous

RE: Your demands that Israel passively endure artillery bombardment.

NUTS!

- Israel and all others who value real peace and real freedom

Would it kill you jackasses to actually read something before responding to it?

But when the government of Israel publicly threatened to sever all Internet and other telecommunications into and out of Gaza they crossed a line in the sand.

To pretend this statement is primarily a demand that Israel "passively endure artillery bombardment" is to tell a lie or to be ignorant of the actual text of the statement.

So, which is it?

594 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 11:00:43am

re: #591 Sol Berdinowitz

Most don't have interest in resolving conflicts. For them, it's much more about "their" side winning. Which usually entails people who profit from such conflicts.

595 makeitstop  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 11:00:51am

re: #566 Vicious Babushka

I am feeling really pissed off today because some people that my son and DIL were friends with have been killed. (Saw their Facebook feeds)

I don't mean FACEBOOK friends, I mean In Real Life face-to-face friends.

Sympathies, Alouette.

596 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 11:01:13am

re: #553 dragonfire1981

Well the intriguing thing to me, as a Christian, is that Christ never addressed homosexuality. It seems to be that if this was extremely important to God he would have spoke about it. He spent plenty of time on love, marriage, friendship, family, dealing with authority. He also sharply rebuked many of the religious authorities of his days. Indeed, Christ's harshest words were not for non-believers but for for the religious.

The homosexuality issue is a big one I've been wrestling with God over. I'm hetero myself, but I'm referring to the oft repeated doctrine that homosexuality is evil, sinful, etc. and the way it's been interpreted through the years.

There is an excellent book by Rev Shelby Spong, "Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism", in which the author (an ex-Anglican Bishop no less) presents a rather convincing case that St. Paul was a conflicted, self-loathing homosexual and it is his teachings that shape a lot of the warped view of sexuality that still drags down an otherwise admirable religion.

597 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 11:02:19am

re: #553 dragonfire1981

Well the intriguing thing to me, as a Christian, is that Christ never addressed homosexuality. It seems to be that if this was extremely important to God he would have spoke about it. He spent plenty of time on love, marriage, friendship, family, dealing with authority. He also sharply rebuked many of the religious authorities of his days. Indeed, Christ's harshest words were not for non-believers but for for the religious.

The homosexuality issue is a big one I've been wrestling with God over. I'm hetero myself, but I'm referring to the oft repeated doctrine that homosexuality is evil, sinful, etc. and the way it's been interpreted through the years.

Leviticus should not matter to a Christian because of the "New Covenant" that Jesus brought to us. Do we follow any of the other rules laid down there that pertained to bronze age tribal life? Things like the prohibitions against eating shellfish, wearing mixed fabrics, or growing two types of crops in the same field? No we don't. So latching onto the one verse that calls homosexuality an abomination as something that should pertain to us to pretty hypocritical.

Which leaves us with only what Paul said in Romans as the only instance of New Testament condemnation of homosexuality. I at least have never seen Paul as the final arbiter of Gods will for us, he was after all only a man.


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