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1 SpaceJesus  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 8:55:28pm

is this it? did it happen? are we all dead?

2 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 8:55:29pm

Not being at the top of the food chain can suck at times.

3 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 8:56:13pm

re: #1 SpaceJesus

is this it? did it happen? are we all dead?

Five minutes.

4 SpaceJesus  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 8:56:32pm

yep. the world ended and this is hell. stuck in an lgf thread with df

5 SpaceJesus  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 8:56:48pm

oh hey happywarrior

6 Kragar  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 8:57:01pm

re: #4 SpaceJesus

yep. the world ended and this is hell. stuck in an lgf thread with df

7 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 8:57:02pm

re: #4 SpaceJesus

yep. the world ended and this is hell. stuck in an lgf thread with df

Hell is other people.

8 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 8:57:25pm

I don't know what all this end of the world business is about. I don't feel any different.

Wait, BRB, somebody's pounding on the front door.

9 Kragar  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 8:58:06pm

re: #8 Targetpractice

I don't know what all this end of the world business is about. I don't feel any different.

Wait, BRB, somebody's pounding on the front door.

I remember waiting for the dead to rise back during y2k.

I was so disappointed.

10 dragonath  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 8:58:26pm

AAAAHHHHHHHH THE HEAAAT!! I'M BURRRRRRRRNEEEEEENGGGGGG!

11 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 8:59:04pm

Tell my wife I love her.

12 SpaceJesus  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 8:59:11pm

it's...it's...beautiful

13 jaunte  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 8:59:32pm
14 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 8:59:39pm

My God, it's full of stars!

15 dragonath  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:00:01pm

*THUMP*

16 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:00:24pm

12:00 EST.

17 SpaceJesus  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:00:43pm

i should have gone to church more/ever

18 dragonath  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:01:16pm

I had a vision but I'm not going to tell any of you about it.

Buy my book

19 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:01:18pm

...

itchy...

tasty...

...

20 Kragar  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:01:22pm

re: #11 HappyWarrior

Tell my wife I love her.

She knows.

21 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:01:24pm

I shouldn't have coveted thy neighbor's mother in law.

22 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:02:37pm

re: #21 HappyWarrior

I shouldn't have coveted thy neighbor's mother in law.

NMILILF

23 Kragar  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:03:25pm
24 wilburs  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:03:43pm

It's smaller

but cleaner

25 Gus  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:03:46pm
26 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:04:13pm

Leopard gets upstaged:

27 Joanne  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:04:36pm

re: #8 Targetpractice

I don't know what all this end of the world business is about. I don't feel any different.

Wait, BRB, somebody's pounding on the front door.

Don't answer it! It's the grim reaper! End of the world! 12/21/12!

28 Gus  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:05:31pm

Well, it's 12/21/2012 America time! The world is saved!

//

29 SpaceJesus  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:06:25pm

how do we prove we're not all dead exactly

30 Kronocide  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:06:26pm

Though shalt not covet thy neighbor's tax bracket

31 Kragar  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:06:33pm

re: #28 Gus

Well, it's 12/21/2012 America time! The world is saved!

//

What time zone is Maya in?
/

32 dragonath  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:06:50pm

Quetzalcoatl dry humped my leg

33 Joanne  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:06:57pm

re: #28 Gus

Well, it's 12/21/2012 America time! The world is saved!

//

Methinks we have less than 24 hours! Never give up the end times. Not until 23:59:5999!

34 SpaceJesus  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:07:01pm

someone call m. night

35 Kragar  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:07:41pm

re: #29 SpaceJesus

how do we prove we're not all dead exactly

Only one way...

LETS GO STREAKING!!!


36 Joanne  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:07:53pm

re: #34 SpaceJesus

someone call m. night

Shamalamadingdong?

37 Gus  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:07:54pm

re: #33 Joanne

Methinks we have less than 24 hours! Never give up the end times. Not until 23:59:5999!

We've got a window!

38 Joanne  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:08:35pm

Does anyone know the next end times date?

39 dragonath  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:09:05pm

re: #38 Joanne

12/25

40 jaunte  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:09:32pm

re: #38 Joanne

They're like buses; one will be along any minute.

41 Gus  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:10:24pm
42 dragonath  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:10:46pm

BTW:

LDS Church President John Taylor wrote:

The story of the life of the Mexican divinity, Quetzalcoatl, closely resembles that of the Savior; so closely, indeed, that we can come to no other conclusion than that Quetzalcoatl and Christ are the same being. But the history of the former has been handed down to us through an impure Lamanitish source.[20]

Uh oh

43 Kragar  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:11:03pm

re: #38 Joanne

Does anyone know the next end times date?

January 21 according to some.

44 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:12:19pm

re: #27 Joanne

Don't answer it! It's the grim reaper! End of the world! 12/21/12!

45 jaunte  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:12:41pm
46 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:13:30pm

On a true note. I'm bummed it's the first day of winter. Spring can't come soon enough.

47 Joanne  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:13:35pm
48 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:14:01pm

re: #42 dragonath

BTW:

Uh oh

Well, the Aztecs though Hernando Cortez might be Quetzalcoatl. That didn't work out too well for them.

49 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:14:39pm

re: #45 jaunte

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Now that's actually funny.

50 Joanne  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:14:58pm

re: #43 Kragar

January 21 according to some.

And this is based upon...?

51 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:15:43pm

And now, Sex Robot.

52 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:15:57pm

re: #50 Joanne

And this is based upon...?

Obama's inauguration I believe. Not sure the deets but I think he reveals his true identity- the anti-christ who is also a Muslim Socialist Marxist Nazi Progressive Homosexual Hippie.

53 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:16:06pm

Happy Not-Pocalypse! Now go to bed, you've got work tomorrow!

54 Gus  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:16:47pm

re: #52 HappyWarrior

Obama's inauguration I believe. Not sure the deets but I think he reveals his true identity- the anti-christ who is also a Muslim Socialist Marxist Nazi Progressive Homosexual Hippie.

Play summary.

55 dragonath  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:16:59pm
56 Gus  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:17:27pm
57 Joanne  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:17:37pm

re: #52 HappyWarrior

Duh! I should have gotten that.

I thought there was seven years after the anti Christ showed himself. Or was I just hoping for a few extra years?

58 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:19:22pm

re: #57 Joanne

Duh! I should have gotten that.

I thought there was seven years after the anti Christ showed himself. Or was I just hoping for a few extra years?

I don't know. I'm sure whoever Obama's successor as the standard bearer of the Democratic Party will be the true Anti-Christ though and somehow that's not a coincidence. More seriously speaking. What I love about this crap is that people have been talking this kind of crazy talk for generations and generations. And they keep on being shown to be fools but they persist in their foolish stubborness.

59 Joanne  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:22:18pm
60 jaunte  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:23:29pm
61 jaunte  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:24:56pm
62 Joanne  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:25:08pm

re: #58 HappyWarrior

I'm sure, one day, Yellowstone is going to pop its top, or some other major catastrophe will befall humanity. It may very well be end times for most living things. But I'm certain it won't be because Jesus has returned.

63 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:25:48pm

re: #60 jaunte

Image: jokers.jpg

The one on the left is hunched over a bit and has a sneakiness about him, so that'd be Heath Ledger's Joker. The one on the right is more upright and seemingly straightforward, so that one's Jack Nicholson's Joker.

64 dragonath  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:25:53pm

I'm getting ads for Billy Crystal movies. It really is the apocalypse.

65 Gus  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:26:25pm

re: #61 jaunte

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I don't know man, but I think that might be faked. If not, we're seriously fucked.

66 Joanne  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:26:26pm

re: #61 jaunte

Awesome photo editing there. :-)

67 Gus  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:26:40pm

Wait a minute. I'm hearing noises.

68 Gus  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:27:05pm

It's like a giant thud sound. Something big, walking.

69 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:27:07pm

"Baked in a buttery flaky crust"

How hard can it be to say six words on camera? (funny stuff)

70 jaunte  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:27:11pm

re: #63 Dark_Falcon

They're actually soviets:
[Link: englishrussia.com...]

71 BongCrodny  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:27:20pm

Did we say 12/21/2012?

We meant 12/21/2112.

-- The Mayans

72 dragonath  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:28:30pm

re: #71 BongCrodny

Did we say 12/21/2012?

We meant 12/21/2112.

-- The Mayans

HEY TOM SAWYER HE GETS HIGH ON YOU

73 HappyWarrior  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:28:31pm

re: #71 BongCrodny

Did we say 12/21/2012?

We meant 12/21/2112.

-- The Mayans

Great, it's going to be hell to pay when I'm 125.

74 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:29:26pm

re: #55 dragonath

75 BongCrodny  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:29:58pm

The grim, brooding Batman is pretty cool, but I kinda miss the Batman who couldn't figure out that Joe Kerr was an alias of The Joker.

76 dragonath  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:31:18pm
77 stabby  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:32:17pm

re: #23 Kragar

You pre-outclassed me DAMN YOU!

78 BongCrodny  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:32:23pm

re: #76 dragonath

Image: 300sw047yusw9.gif

THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!

79 Joanne  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:36:43pm

re: #69 watching you tiny alien kittens are

"Baked in a buttery flaky crust"

How hard can it be to say six words on camera? (funny stuff)

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That chicken pot pie looks damned good!! (I think I'm hungry!)

80 Kragar  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:36:52pm
81 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:37:29pm

re: #75 BongCrodny

The grim, brooding Batman is pretty cool, but I kinda miss the Batman who couldn't figure out that Joe Kerr was an alias of The Joker.

I don't. I have to root for idiots in the run up to elections, so I don't like to do it when I'm watching a movie.

82 Joanne  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:37:44pm

Night all!

83 Usually refered to as anyways  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:41:34pm

re: #81 Dark_Falcon

I don't. I have to root for idiots in the run up to elections, so I don't like to do it when I'm watching a movie.

I gave you an upding even though I don't believe you had to.

84 jaunte  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:46:11pm

Interesting background on the caller who says his name is Tom, when it's really Raja.

Sonam Nidur, who’s worked on the floor for two years in North Bangalore, had come to some conclusions of her own. The Canadians were fine, but she didn’t want to field any calls from Americans. “I was working for Cricket, but the customers were scary. Americans won’t calm down,” she said, repeating the mantra we’d heard from others that US customers are impossible to deal with.

85 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 9:54:16pm

re: #83 Usually refered to as anyways

I gave you an upding even though I don't believe you had to.

Whatever party you vote for, some of its candidates are always idiots.

86 Usually refered to as anyways  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 10:02:18pm

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

Whatever party you vote for, some of its candidates are always idiots.

Whilst that may be true, I would consider the degrees to be relevant.
The Republicans do have some serious extremists.

87 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 10:12:42pm

Can't keep up with all the upcoming end times prophecies and predicted future apocalyptic events? Do you feel at a loss when the water cooler conversation at work turns to the First Millennium Apocalypse prophecy but you never payed much attention in class to medieval apocalypse memes? Then Wikipedia has you covered...

List of dates predicted for apocalyptic events

:p

88 Gus  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 10:12:50pm

The supernatural does not exist.

89 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 10:14:16pm

Goodnight, all.

90 Gus  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 10:14:35pm
91 Kragar  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 10:28:43pm

re: #88 Gus

The supernatural does not exist.

Sure it does. I've watched the last few seasons on Netflix.

92 Mich-again  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 10:32:31pm

I wonder if the annoying ice cream truck will have Apocalypsicals this Summer

93 Gus  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 10:33:50pm

re: #91 Kragar

Sure it does. I've watched the last few seasons on Netflix.

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Brick from Oncoming Truck Kills Passenger

94 Mich-again  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 10:37:31pm

re: #88 Gus

The supernatural does not exist.

It might. I think its most correct to say I don't know one way or the other.

95 Gus  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 10:56:46pm

re: #94 Mich-again

It might. I think its most correct to say I don't know one way or the other.

I'll wait for proof.

96 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 11:04:32pm

Well all the talk about instituting certain bans has had the predicable effect. Hi capacity magazines are selling like crazy. In many cases people are buying them for guns they don't even own yet, often just as a speculative investment. The online gun stores have pretty much all sold out inventories that would normally last several months, especially for popular plinker platforms like the Ruger 10/22. Midway has so many backorders on BX-25's that their current estimate on shipping is six months out.

97 stabby  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 11:19:52pm

I have a very disturbing song stuck as an earworm.

You can look up "bacterial contamination" if you're curious, and then look up the english translation if you're really curious. One odd thing is that the song is only sung by Hatsune Miku not a real person.

98 stabby  Thu, Dec 20, 2012 11:20:58pm

re: #88 Gus

The supernatural does not exist.

Look, if the supernatural existed then we'd tax it.

We don't tax it, QED

99 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:16:04am

Grover Norquist's Ghost would oppose it...

100 researchok  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:29:39am

Good morning, godless heathens.

101 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:09:07am
102 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:22:07am

re: #1 SpaceJesus

is this it? did it happen? are we all dead?

Yes

103 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:23:19am

I never really believed in an afterlife. So I was wrong. It wouldn't be the first time.

104 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 1:27:23am
105 Randall Gross  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:08:39am

A translation of the romanza, courtesy Wikipedia:
A single furtive tear
from her eyes sprang:
As if of those playful youths
envious she appeared to become.
What more need I look for?
What more need I look for?
She loves me! Yes, she loves me, I see it. I see it.
Just for an instant the beating of
her beautiful heart I felt!
And my sighs became as one
fleetingly with her sighs!
Her heart beating, her heart beating to feel,
our sighs confounded as one...
Heavens! Yes I could, I could die!
More I can't ask, I can't ask.
Oh, heavens! Yes I could! Yes I could die!
More I can't ask, I can't ask.
Yes I could die! If I could die of love.

I had to look this up, it's another case of love potion number wine.

Also, VIP:

Happy Solstice everyone, we emerge once more from the depths of the night of darkest dark -- every day forward from now until June 21st we gain daylight, and every night will shrink. In Fairbanks they will gain 7 minutes per day for a while. And so it goes that for people from the far North 12/21 is such a happy day. Go jump over a bonfire or something if you haven't already.

106 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:17:47am

I really noticed that this morning, woke up at 7:30 and it was still dark here in Germany, just below the 50th parallell. My friends in Oulu, Finland have it worse...about an hour of dusk at midday.

107 dragonath  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:42:22am

re: #106 Sol Berdinowitz

I think this means during Saturnalia you're going to have to party extra hard to appease the Rock and Roll God, Thor.

108 Randall Gross  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:48:29am

It's still dark here in Kansas, almost six in the am.

109 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 3:49:18am

Really excellent article from a 'liberal Christian' blogger about the insane right-wing religious response to Sandy Hook and how it actually clearly shows that abortion and the murder of children are not viewed the same even by those who claim they believe abortion to be murder.

[Link: www.patheos.com...]

But for Dobson, “the murder of children” refers not to Sandy Hook, but to abortion. Hence the weird assertion on his radio program Monday that the murder of 20 schoolchildren is somehow God’s judgment falling on America because of the murder of “54 million babies.”

The incoherence there comes from Dobson’s heartfelt and undeniable recognition that the Newtown massacre was far, far worse than any number of abortions. He knows that. He feels that.

But Dobson has painted himself into an ethical and rhetorical corner and so he cannot allow himself to admit that.

For decades, James Dobson has insisted that abortion is “murder,” that it is “killing babies” and that no distinction — ethical, moral, theological, legal — can be allowed between those “unborn babies” and actual babies. Like most evangelicals and many Catholics, Dobson has always fiercely maintained that the killing of unborn “children” is no different from the killing of actual children.

But whenever horrible crimes like this one occur, then Dobson, just like the rest of us, beholds what has happened and recognizes that it is vastly different and wholly incomparable.

Dobson knows this. Decades of rhetorical obfuscation have deprived him of any way of expressing it or of admitting it, but James Dobson still knows this.

All that talk has left him unable to describe what he is feeling or why. He doesn’t know how to name the sorrow he feels on the news of the actual murder of actual children.

But he knows that this is a different thing. He knows that his revulsion at this crime is nothing at all like the opposition he has always expressed to abortion, even though for all these years he has used identical language demanding that we all regard the two things as identical and equivalent.
But they are not identical and they are not equivalent. Dobson knows this. Every moral intuition he has screams that these things are not equivalent.
We all know this. All of us. Even those of us who have staked our rhetoric, our politics, and our moral reasoning on the glib pretense that it is not so.
Every “pro-life” evangelical, every Operation Rescue picketer, every March for Life participant, every Christianity Today editorialist, every Catholic bishop, priest and pope knows that the murder of 20 children is essentially different and far worse than any 20 abortions. All their beloved rhetoric of “abortion is murder” and “abortion kills unborn children” turns to ashes in the wake of incidents like the slaughter in Newtown.

110 Renaissance_Man  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 4:50:58am
Happy Solstice everyone, we emerge once more from the depths of the night of darkest dark -- every day forward from now until June 21st we gain daylight, and every night will shrink. In Fairbanks they will gain 7 minutes per day for a while. And so it goes that for people from the far North 12/21 is such a happy day. Go jump over a bonfire or something if you haven't already.

I haven't seen the sun in weeks.

111 stabby  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 4:54:59am

re: #109 Obdicut

That article seems to be saying that people like Dobson who are uselessly blaming the Newtown massacre on "God's judgement" over abortion, gays etc. are sputtering because they are too proud to admit that the massacre made it clear to them that the murder of children is not the same thing as, is much worse than abortion.

But he's missing a few things. While it's true that they are reacting more strongly to this than they would to the weeks abortion statistics, and that implicitly proves that point, what they're really doing is maintaining an assertion that bad things happen only when God is angry at the victim - ie. that providence prevents all real evil.

That this involves blaming innocent people like gay newlyweds for the slaughter of children - indeed involves even blaming the children for being part of the same nation as those gays - is not a coincidence.

For one thing there's Exodus "... I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me"

The inhumanity, the horror, the monsterousness of believing in providence was always there. If you believe in providence, then you have to believe that 6 million Jews, families and all, were so hated by God that he inflicted the Holocaust on them. If you believe in providence, then you have to believe that AIDS victims are being justly punished for their sins. If you believe in providence, then you have to believe that the plagues that swept the New World when the Europeans arrived were a judgement on the heathens who already lived here. You have to believe that God hated Africans so much that he allowed slavery in the US. etc. etc. etc.

Belief in providence is not just childish wishful thinking, but it's childishness necessarily married to inhumanity. And what we see in these inhuman statements by religious nutcase after religious nutcase is how many of them are deeply embedded in wishful thinking AND inhumanity.

This shouldn't be a surprise. If you've been paying attention to the right, then you know, for instance, that opposition to environmental legislation has long been rooted in a belief in providence. Rush Limbaugh said "God would not make a world that man could harm"

Opposition to health care insurance was predicated on something similar.

Opposition to AIDS funding was predicated on providence.

Etc.

The problem is that these people are deeply immature, unable to face neither the nature of evil nor the fact that mankind, that society has responsibilities to prevent tragedy. The can face the fact that people have to, sometimes, oppose evil, but they can't face the fact that God doesn't protect from massive tragedy. That's too big for them.

Perhaps their belief in God and in an afterlife are also based in the unwillingness to face the possibility of horror. Perhaps, if they were emotionally capable of facing the reality of being unprotected they wouldn't be believers in the first place.

112 Renaissance_Man  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 4:59:11am
Whatever party you vote for, some of its candidates are always idiots.

While this is true, only in the Republican party is it required by the voters.

113 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:00:15am

re: #110 Renaissance_Man

I haven't seen the sun in weeks.

stop looking down!
/

114 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:01:22am

Morning Lizardim. Happy Friday from the bitterly cold wild north country. How go things among the Lizardim, as I prepare for my trip back to fish country?

115 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:22:16am

re: #111 stabby

They believe in a big, bearded guy in the sky who moves us around like chess pieces. That system of belief still exists in the backward parts of the world...

116 stabby  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:28:56am

I wanted to fix a grammatical error, but when I hit the edit button I get the message "editing time has expired" WTF?

117 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:31:13am

Crap, world's still here, guess I gotta go to work after all.

118 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:32:28am

re: #116 stabby

I wanted to fix a grammatical error, but when I hit the edit button I get the message "editing time has expired" WTF?

iirc, it's a 10 (or so) minute window to edit

119 dragonath  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:32:40am

Report: Mark Sanford to Run for House

Former South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford plans to run in the special election for Rep. Tim Scott’s seat, CNN reports.

The Republican’s entrance into the race shakes up a field that could include his ex-wife, Jenny Sanford, among other candidates.

This could be fun.

120 Henchman 25  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:36:18am

This is the most boring apocalypse I've ever been a part of.

121 dragonath  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:39:16am

It wouldn't have been if you all had entertained my ideas of human sacrifice.

122 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:40:29am

re: #120 Henchman 25

This is the most boring apocalypse I've ever been a part of.

Yeah, at least the Rapture was entertaining because of the fact that all my Christian friends got involved and had a good time. Not even any of my Facebook wingnuts are saying anything this time around.

123 stabby  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:42:44am

I'm not sick but I'm not weeell♪♫♪♪♩♩♫♪♪♫

124 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:43:02am

re: #121 dragonath

It wouldn't have been if you all had entertained my ideas of human sacrifice.

Do you know how hard it is to get blood out of the carpet?

125 stabby  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:44:20am

re: #124 Targetpractice

That's why my preferred method of human sacrifice is "car accident"

Blood washes right off the bumper and no one seems to notice a child embedded in your grill anyway.

126 Decatur Deb  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:44:55am

re: #120 Henchman 25

This is the most boring apocalypse I've ever been a part of.

We did our part--1 to 5 tornadoes touched down nearby.

127 dragonath  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:46:14am

re: #124 Targetpractice

That's why I hold all my exorcisms and blood feasts at the Red Carpet Inn. The cleaning ladies can't tell the difference anyway.

128 stabby  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:48:18am

I'm abusing search engines. ... I'm not sure I really wanted to know that someone has lipsynced My Little Pony to death metal.

129 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:50:19am

re: #120 Henchman 25

This is the most boring apocalypse I've ever been a part of.

Damn, we're still here? I totally forgot about today's date.

130 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:51:27am

Bryan is having a DERP meltdown.

So much DERP, what to make fun of?

131 stabby  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:53:23am

re: #130 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

I'm starting to wish that LGF would unfollow him.

132 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:53:40am
133 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:54:09am

re: #123 stabby

134 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:54:19am

re: #131 stabby

I'm starting to wish that LGF would unfollow him.

But so many laughs!

135 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:54:51am

re: #132 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Every time someone uses the phrase "job creators" as a euphemism for "obscenely rich", I want to reach through the Internet and slap them in the face.

136 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:55:10am

Seems that scheduled the NRA's press conference for 10:45EST. This should be a hoot.

137 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:56:30am

re: #135 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

Every time someone uses the phrase "job creators" as a euphemism for "obscenely rich", I want to reach through the Internet and slap them in the face.

Well, I guess he's technically correct, since Boehner wanted to raise taxes on the middle class and the poor, whose demand for goods creates all those jobs.

138 stabby  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:58:06am

re: #137 Targetpractice

yeah, half the country does. They're losing the propaganda war that they made up themselves.

139 stabby  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 5:59:45am

Damn it, internet, I'm finding cool things that are too NSFW and too immature to post here.

You know the game "curling"? I remember it from Canada. Rocks slide across ice, and people with brooms...

So why do I see a picture of naked, lubed up japanese women sliding across fake ice and other women with brooms... why?

140 alpuz  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:00:22am

Just dropped junior off at his high school. The police have squads parked around campus due to threats associated with the whole end of the world buzz.

141 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:01:10am

Police and ATF raid East Windsor gun shop after theft of AR-15 from store.

Oh, and it's the same store that had sold the gun used in the Sandy Hook massacre.

Adam Lanza had two pistols and the AR-15 when he entered Sandy Hook Elementary School Friday morning, and in just a matter of minutes, he fired multiple rounds, killing 20 children and six adults. Before the school shooting, he shot his mother four times.

Riverview Gun Sales is the same store where police believe a different man stole an assault weapon and was trying to carry out a similar attack.

In a video obtained by Eyewitness News, Jordan Marsh, 26, of South Windsor, can be seen stealing an AR-15 with a scope just four days earlier.

Marsh was caught stealing a 50-caliber long gun from the Riverview Gun Sales on Saturday. Police found the AR-15 in a duffel bag in a room at the Hartford Hilton that day.

"It's scary, I mean I got three kids," said Sharon Hodge of South Windsor, who spoke with Eyewitness News.

For the past two years, she has opened her home to Marsh, who is her boyfriend's son.

Marsh, who Hodge said suffers from schizophrenia as well as other mental issues, was off his medication when he was arrested Saturday.

"It's unbelievable," Hodge said after seeing the story on WFSB.

Police said Riverview Gun Sales had no idea the AR-15 Marsh stole was missing. Management at the store didn't know about 11 guns that Marsh had allegedly stolen last year until they were notified by detectives.

Inventory control issues at Riverview Gun Sales have occurred before. In 2007, state police raided a Somers home and found a bunch of stolen guns from the store.

"It was found that the same Riverview gun store was missing upwards of 30-plus guns," said East Windsor police Detective Matthew Carl.

If gun shops have such lackluster security, do we expect anyone else to do better?

Apparently this gun shop has no clue about its inventory - they only learned of the stolen guns after police told them of the thefts.

Here's what I don't get - video purportedly shows the thefts, but the store didn't know they had occurred? Was this BATF or local LEOs who had their own cameras installed, or was this further incompetency by the store to not actually view/review security video.

142 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:04:53am

re: #141 lawhawk

Police and ATF raid East Windsor gun shop after theft of AR-15 from store.

Oh, and it's the same store that had sold the gun used in the Sandy Hook massacre.

If gun shops have such lackluster security, do we expect anyone else to do better?

Apparently this gun shop has no clue about its inventory - they only learned of the stolen guns after police told them of the thefts.

"No gun shop would ever sell to a crazy person!"

They're right, the crazy guy just walks in and takes what he likes.

143 stabby  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:05:42am

re: #142 Targetpractice

It's such an efficient system.

144 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:06:03am

re: #130 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

Good grief. His first tweet was at 7:45am ET, which is 6:45am his time (Tupelo, MS). Sunrise in Tupelo was at 6:57am. That means this asshat gets up with the roosters to start his hateful crowing. O_o

145 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:06:10am

re: #135 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

Every time someone uses the phrase "job creators" as a euphemism for "obscenely rich", I want to reach through the Internet and slap them in the face.

Well, they DO create jobs, like at Walmart, McD's, and in Bangladesh sweatshops.

146 stabby  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:07:11am

Convenient too. Except for the victims.re: #145 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

They create the jobs that count.... lobbyists!

147 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:13:03am

re: #141 lawhawk

Marsh was caught stealing a 50-caliber long gun from the Riverview Gun Sales on Saturday. Police found the AR-15 in a duffel bag in a room at the Hartford Hilton that day

What tipped the police to go to the Hilton to check on this guy Marsh?

In a video obtained by Eyewitness News, Jordan Marsh, 26, of South Windsor, can be seen stealing an AR-15 with a scope just four days earlier.

Did the police get the surveillance video from the store before or after the tip?

Or is that just sloppy reporting?

148 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:15:40am

LMAO:

Flipping the bird isn't Constitutionally protected free speech!!11! Only political speech is protected--everything else is subject to censorship!

149 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:16:17am

re: #148 CuriousLurker

LMAO:

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I want to see a picture of that lights display!

150 Kronocide  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:16:25am

VDH goes Whiny Conservative about race.

Hilarity ensues.

151 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:17:08am

re: #141 lawhawk

Police and ATF raid East Windsor gun shop after theft of AR-15 from store.

Oh, and it's the same store that had sold the gun used in the Sandy Hook massacre.

If gun shops have such lackluster security, do we expect anyone else to do better?

Apparently this gun shop has no clue about its inventory - they only learned of the stolen guns after police told them of the thefts.

Here's what I don't get - video purportedly shows the thefts, but the store didn't know they had occurred? Was this BATF or local LEOs who had their own cameras installed, or was this further incompetency by the store to not actually view/review security video.

The vast majority of gun stores have proper and tight security. This one didn't and it likely should have its FFL pulled for that (or put on probation if it isn't already, since a single screw-up that wasn't a result of the dealer breaking the law isn't usually grounds for revocation).

152 ProMayaLiberal  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:17:15am

Pretty close to have the new computer up.

Tell me computer wonks, are McAfee and SpySweeper worth keeping on the laptop hard drive, which will be removed and put into the desktop?

Medieval II's installation goofed a bit, so it is being uninstalled, repurchased on Steam on the new computer, then reinstalled.

153 Kronocide  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:20:31am
If the new racialism grows unchecked, it will eventually lead to cycles of backlash and counter-backlash -- and some day to something like the Balkans or Rwanda.

What he means:

Those who cry racism are the real racists.

154 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:22:36am

re: #150 Kronocide

VDH goes Whiny Conservative about race.

Hilarity ensues.

Not a good piece, but thankfully its not hateful either. I'm glad Hanson avoided Derbyshire's path, though its still an alarmist piece.

155 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:25:07am

re: #147 sattv4u2

That's puzzling. I'm wondering whether the store had the video but never checked it or whether LEOs had installed their own cameras to see what was going on there and found it independent of any security initiative by the store itself.

It's a very curious detail.

156 BongCrodny  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:26:13am

re: #148 CuriousLurker

LMAO:

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I would love to see the Supreme Court try to figure out a way to divide the line between "Bryan Fischer's political tweets are idiotic" and "Bryan Fischer's political tweets are fucking idiotic."

157 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:26:24am

re: #151 Dark_Falcon

The guy who stole the AR-15 (apparently the same model as the one used in the massacre) also was found in possession of the .50 caliber weapon.

Two weapons. At least.

158 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:26:46am

BTW, I've paged the gun shop situation.

159 Kronocide  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:27:42am

re: #154 Dark_Falcon

Not a good piece, but thankfully its not hateful either. I'm glad Hanson avoided Derbyshire's path, though its still an alarmist piece.

That's one of the worst ones I've ever seen from him. Not hateful? Maybe spiteful would be the word.

If the new racialism grows unchecked, it will eventually lead to cycles of backlash and counter-backlash -- and some day to something like the Balkans or Rwanda.

Basically, it's a lament that there's a double standard, and if it goes unchecked, we'll end up like the Balkans or Rwanda. So black people should just STFU about race.

It's pretty vile stuff.

160 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:28:18am

re: #155 lawhawk

That's puzzling. I'm wondering whether the store had the video but never checked it or whether LEOs had installed their own cameras to see what was going on there and found it independent of any security initiative by the store itself.

It's a very curious detail.

They would have needed a judges order (not out of the question considering the stores history) but then they would have also had to have been able to identify Marsh from that video (hard unless he already was 'known' to the cops) or else how would the cops have known it was him and then tracked him to the Hilton

161 stabby  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:28:54am

re: #150 Kronocide

VDH has been unreadably stupid for a while.

Everyone who slid over to Pajamas media went lazy and derped so hard I'm surprised they haven't forgotten to breath and died.

Apparently wingnuts are bad for each other's mental health.

162 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:30:13am

Mila Kunis is well-liked in the West, but her fame has attracted some haters in her native Ukraine. And those haters are of the worst sort:

Mila Kunis has been targeted in an anti-Semitic rant.

A slur was reportedly made against the 29-year-old actress - who has been dating Two And A Half Men star Ashton Kutcher for nine months - by a politician in her native Ukraine.

According to gossip website TMZ.com, Jewish organisations around the globe are furious that Igor Miroshnichenko said the Ted star was not a true Ukrainian and called her a 'zhydovka.'

The statement translates as 'dirty Jewess' and is reportedly a derogatory word against Jewish people that was used during the Holocaust, TMZ said.

Protests have broken out in recent days after the Ukrainian Justice Ministry ruled that using the term to describe a Jewish person was legal, turning back a petition demanding that the offensive word be banned from the public sphere.

And to Mr. Miroshnichenko, let me just say:

Fuck You, you hate-spewing son of a bitch!

163 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:30:40am

re: #157 lawhawk

The guy who stole the AR-15 (apparently the same model as the one used in the massacre) also was found in possession of the .50 caliber weapon.

Two weapons. At least.

Oops.

164 dragonath  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:31:39am
165 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:31:50am

re: #151 Dark_Falcon

The vast majority of gun stores have proper and tight security. This one didn't and it likely should have its FFL pulled for that (or put on probation if it isn't already, since a single screw-up that wasn't a result of the dealer breaking the law isn't usually grounds for revocation).

This post edited per info given by Lawhawk.

166 ProMayaLiberal  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:32:52am

re: #165 Dark_Falcon

Up shit creek doesn't even describe how much trouble the gun store and this guy are in.

167 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:34:03am

re: #163 Dark_Falcon

Actually, the two guns (the AR-15 and the 50 cal) were only the latest weapons to be stole. The suspect had stolen 11 other guns from the store.

Police said Riverview Gun Sales had no idea the AR-15 Marsh stole was missing. Management at the store didn't know about 11 guns that Marsh had allegedly stolen last year until they were notified by detectives.

Inventory control issues at Riverview Gun Sales have occurred before. In 2007, state police raided a Somers home and found a bunch of stolen guns from the store.

Despite all the inventory control problems, the store remained open.

Somehow, I don't think that will be the case now.

168 stabby  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:34:17am

The main thing about the Wingnuts like Victor David Hansen is that no matter how stupid, no matter how specious his arguments are, he has a hozzana chorus that will tell him that he's brilliant.

By now he's devolved into being lazier and making less sense than a toddler. His mind has totally gone to seed.

169 BongCrodny  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:35:44am

re: #164 dragonath

Grover Norquist and Newt Gingrich suggest a gift

NAME: Newt Gingrich, author and presidential candidate
GIFT: A Lincoln kit

i've always wanted to build my own Abraham Lincoln.

170 stabby  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:37:05am

Well as long as what he writes judgmental toward outsiders, they'll love him. That's all they demand, and he's happy to give it to them.

If he ever criticized Republicans that would be another matter, but none of them ever break that rule.

171 Kronocide  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:38:27am

re: #168 stabby

By now he's devolved into being lazier and making less sense than a toddler. His mind has totally gone to seed.

I think he sold out. There's a market for this madness, it sells.

172 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:39:18am

re: #167 lawhawk

Actually, the two guns (the AR-15 and the 50 cal) were only the latest weapons to be stole. The suspect had stolen 11 other guns from the store.

Despite all the inventory control problems, the store remained open.

Somehow, I don't think that will be the case now.

That bad? Yeah, for that sort of failure the ATF will close down a gun store and yank its owner's FFL, and they should. Not know a gun had been stolen for a day or two might be understandable, though not tolerable, but not knowing for over a year that your inventory had been shrunk like that? The guy's not only a disgrace to gun dealers, he's also a disgrace to store management. No retail location whose inventory I was responsible for ever had that kind of fuck-up on my watch, I can tell you that.

173 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:40:23am

re: #141 lawhawk

IF you read ATF regs (I have since I have a FFL03) you'll know these people either are felony stupid or they knew and didn't report the thefts. Either will get them a 10 year vacation at Club Fed.

This is not how a legal gunshop is run and they will pay, bigtime, for that.

174 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:40:29am

re: #156 BongCrodny

I would love to see the Supreme Court try to figure out a way to divide the line between "Bryan Fischer's political tweets are idiotic" and "Bryan Fischer's political tweets are fucking idiotic."

Some of his tweets are hilariously derpy. This one cracked me up too:

Was that like the lost 11th commandment or something? "Thou shalt not raise taxes!" I had no idea that God was responsible for the formation of the GOP and the creation of their anti-tax platform.

If I'd known his early morning tweets are so entertaining I'd have started reading them long ago.

175 BongCrodny  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:41:01am

re: #154 Dark_Falcon

Not a good piece, but thankfully its not hateful either. I'm glad Hanson avoided Derbyshire's path, though its still an alarmist piece.

Shorter Victor Davis Hanson:

"Oh, those uppity Negroes!"

176 stabby  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:41:05am

re: #171 Kronocide

I think it's an emotional thing. The call of the "hate group"

Lots of right wingers I remember from blogs used to be smart people, but eventually they just turn into a mush of indistinguishable haters, where everything they say is bitter and stupid, but they're all one big family who agrees with each other all the time...

177 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:44:58am

The Mayans now have a serious credibility problem!

I think I'll stop supporting them: no more Mayannaise!

178 stabby  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:45:14am

And I think it's the "hate" part that takes over their minds, not the "family" part...

Human beings are very vulnerable to negative emotions.

For instance all you need to do is give some semblance of danger and you can entrance someone in a tv show because the brain doesn't really distinguish real danger from fake.. And during that time the person will have their positive emotions blunted.

Do that every day and you can destroy their personality.

People are even more vulnerable to enmity than to danger.

And the results are worse

179 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:45:22am

re: #174 CuriousLurker

Some of his tweets are hilariously derpy. This one cracked me up too:

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Was that like the lost 11th commandment or something? "Thou shalt not raise taxes!" I had no idea that God was responsible for the formation of the GOP and the creation of their anti-tax platform.

If I'd known his early morning tweets are so entertaining I'd have started reading them long ago.

Nah, 12th Commandment. 11th Commandment is "Thou shalt not speak ill of a fellow Republican."

180 stabby  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:47:13am

re: #179 Targetpractice

Nah, 12th Commandment. 11th Commandment is "Thou shalt not speak ill of a fellow Republican."

Tribal feeling. Are they even aware that they're enslaved by it?

181 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:48:12am

More details about the ongoing investigations at Riverview Gun, including background:

Seifert said Thursday that neither Nancy nor Adam Lanza are believed to have engaged in target shooting over the last six months.

Two law enforcement sources said that, on Thursday, ATF agents returned to the store to re-examine records that they had examined on a prior visit.

On Saturday, a South Windsor man — who had received a suspended prison sentence and two years probation in May on charges of stealing a dozen rifles and shotguns from Riverview Sales — tried to steal a sniper rifle from the same store, police said.

Jordan Marsh, 26, pleaded guilty May 10 to a single count of stealing a firearm and received a suspended prison sentence and two years of probation.

According to East Windsor police, on Saturday, Marsh grabbed a Bushmaster .50-caliber rifle from Riverview Sales valued at $5,000 and ran from the store. When store employees confronted Marsh, he pulled a knife, then fled on foot. Police officers eventually caught and arrested him.

In June 2007 a Somers man who occasionally worked at Riverview Sales was charged with stealing 33 guns from the business. In that case the store's owner, David E. Laguercia, contacted ATF after determining his store could not account for 33 firearms. Video surveillance showed the man taking two guns.

In March 2008 that man pleaded no contest to two counts of stealing a firearm from the store and received an 18-month suspended prison sentence.

So, it appears the store had thefts from both employees and outsiders. In the instance of the cited inside job, the store promptly reported.

182 dragonath  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:48:53am

I dunno, the Cleveland Indians weren't very good this year...

183 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:49:02am

re: #62 Joanne

I'm sure, one day, Yellowstone is going to pop its top, or some other major catastrophe will befall humanity. It may very well be end times for most living things. But I'm certain it won't be because Jesus has returned.

That's what they told the brachiopods back in the Permian Era.

184 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:50:06am

re: #180 stabby

Tribal feeling. Are they even aware that they're enslaved by it?

Probably, but hey, it's the fast track to a great lobbying job when you get tossed out on your ass. And easy money until then.

185 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:51:08am

re: #177 ReamWorks SKG

The Mayans now have a serious credibility problem!

I think I'll stop supporting them: no more Mayannaise!

The Mayans (or those that are descended from them) have never claimed this was the end. It was idiot Westerners who latched on to that trope. It's not their fault.

186 Kronocide  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:51:48am

So about this concept that mass shootings have increased because of our feminized culture (after other wingnuts implied mass shootings are decreasing).

It's about as mind numbingly stupid as the rest of them, if not more. That's saying a lot.

Our culture is more feminized, so it makes it easier for the crazy nutters (the strong?) victimize us. So we need to be stronger (more bravado, guns) to counter the victimization by the strong (nutters).

We can call this Caveman Doctrine. It's the hardwired instinct of only the strong survive.

Not for once second do these Cavemen (and Cavewomen) think that maybe we are progressing as a society and these events are not results of this progress: in another time and place, Adam Lanza would be called 'crazy' and nothing else would be done about this event.

187 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:52:52am

re: #182 dragonath

I dunno, the Cleveland Indians weren't very good this year since 1948...

ftfy

188 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:56:27am

"Let's rush at the guys who are shooting at us!" That's why Pickett's Charge is the most successful maneuver in military history.

Wait, what?

189 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 6:56:35am

re: #142 Targetpractice

"No gun shop would ever sell to a crazy person!"

They're right, the crazy guy just walks in and takes what he likes.

Hey, precedent set by the T-800 remember?
///

190 dragonath  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:00:12am

re: #187 sattv4u2

'Thank God This Isn't Cleveland'

[Link: www.box.com...]

191 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:00:26am

re: #152 ProMayaLiberal

Pretty close to have the new computer up.

Tell me computer wonks, are McAfee and SpySweeper worth keeping on the laptop hard drive, which will be removed and put into the desktop?

Medieval II's installation goofed a bit, so it is being uninstalled, repurchased on Steam on the new computer, then reinstalled.

Time for you to change the nick since the Maya have let you down. But "ProFischerLiberal" will get you too much flak, almost as much as "ProCowboysLiberal".

192 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:01:49am

re: #191 Feline Fearless Leader

Time for you to change the nick since the Maya have let you down. But "ProFischerLiberal" will get you too much flak, almost as much as "ProCowboysLiberal".

He's from Colorado, so he could go with "ProManningLiberal".

/Dives into bunker.

193 dragonath  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:02:59am

re: #152 ProMayaLiberal

Pretty close to have the new computer up.

Tell me computer wonks, are McAfee and SpySweeper worth keeping on the laptop hard drive, which will be removed and put into the desktop?

Ah, McFugitive Antivirus protection

194 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:03:17am

re: #191 Feline Fearless Leader

Time for you to change the nick since the Maya have let you down. But "ProFischerLiberal" will get you too much flak, almost as much as "ProCowboysLiberal".

ProPackersLiberal or ProCheeseheadLiberal are both good ... :whistles innocently:

195 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:03:48am

re: #174 CuriousLurker

Some of his tweets are hilariously derpy. This one cracked me up too:

Was that like the lost 11th commandment or something? "Thou shalt not raise taxes!" I had no idea that God was responsible for the formation of the GOP and the creation of their anti-tax platform.

If I'd known his early morning tweets are so entertaining I'd have started reading them long ago.

Apparently "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" only applies to salad any more.

196 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:04:28am

Good morning lizards!

I woke up and we are still here?

197 stabby  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:04:55am

re: #193 dragonath

God no!

McAffee is the SLOWEST antivirus ever. And it will lock up your computer 10 times a day updating.

BUY ANYTHING ELSE.

I recommend eset.

198 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:05:04am

re: #194 William Barnett-Lewis

ProPackersLiberal or ProCheeseheadLiberal are both good ... :whistles innocently:

SMACK!

199 stabby  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:05:19am

Also McAffee makes booting slow as hell.

200 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:06:31am

re: #188 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

"Let's rush at the guys who are shooting at us!" That's why Pickett's Charge is the most successful maneuver in military history.

Wait, what?

Ordered by the Confederate hero (and marble man) R E Lee.

201 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:07:36am

re: #192 Dark_Falcon

He's from Colorado, so he could go with "ProManningLiberal".

/Dives into bunker.

How about "ProTebowLiberal". "ProSanchiseLiberal" if he wants to piss off New Yorkers.
;)

202 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:08:38am

re: #199 stabby

Also McAffee makes booting slow as hell.

Well, he's known to be a bit unstable.

203 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:09:27am

re: #194 William Barnett-Lewis

ProPackersLiberal or ProCheeseheadLiberal are both good ... :whistles innocently:

ProPatriotsLiberal would f*** peoples heads on many levels!!!
/

204 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:10:24am

I switched back to the generic Windows Security a while back and I'm pretty happy with it.

205 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:11:36am

Well, that was rather pointless. Boehner gave a presser, despite the House having thrown in the towel until after Christmas, and basically reiterated his BS from yesterday. Namely that it's now the Senate's job to pull his ass out of the fire by giving the Republicans everything they want.

206 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:13:27am

re: #204 Killgore Trout

I switched back to the generic Windows Security a while back and I'm pretty happy with it.

Same here. I've been using it for a couple of years now without any problems.

207 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:14:30am

re: #205 Targetpractice

Well, that was rather pointless. Boehner gave a presser, despite the House having thrown in the towel until after Christmas, and basically reiterated his BS from yesterday. Namely that it's now the Senate's job to pull his ass out of the fire by giving the Republicans everything they want.

What do you want to bet that Obama has already sat down with Bill Clinton and discussed how he handled Newt the last time the GOP threw a tantrum and threatened to shut down the government. I suspect that the Democrats are now well prepared to dig in and let the GOP go over the cliff. And Obama has already emailed Boehner the message "Please proceed Mr Speaker."

208 stabby  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:15:32am

I wonder if the Republicans would have insisted on all this far right wing dismantling of the US if we'd elected a white male Democrat.

My feeling is "no".

No racial divide, no tea party.

209 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:17:51am

re: #200 Feline Fearless Leader

Ordered by the Confederate hero (and marble man) R E Lee.

Lee was an excellent general, but he order an attack that was doomed before it even began. For all its valor, Pickett's Charge is best commemorated with a line from the Crimean War of a decade before:

C'est magnifique, mais ce n'est pas la guerre: c'est de la folie

210 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:18:15am

re: #208 stabby

I wonder if the Republicans would have insisted on all this far right wing dismantling of the US if we'd elected a white male Democrat.

My feeling is "no".

No racial divide, no tea party.

In a way it was good to get it out in the open to be pointed at, laughed, and hopefully marginalized before it causes to much damage. The nutty undercurrent has been there in the GOP at least as far back as the Clinton Administration.

211 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:19:24am

re: #207 Feline Fearless Leader

What do you want to bet that Obama has already sat down with Bill Clinton and discussed how he handled Newt the last time the GOP threw a tantrum and threatened to shut down the government. I suspect that the Democrats are now well prepared to dig in and let the GOP go over the cliff. And Obama has already emailed Boehner the message "Please proceed Mr Speaker."

The difference is that Boehner has tried harder to avoid a problem, but he got back-handed by his reps, who don't want to make a deal that raises taxes.

212 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:20:42am

re: #211 Dark_Falcon

The difference is that Boehner has tried harder to avoid a problem, but he got back-handed by his reps, who don't want to make a deal that raises taxes.

Difference is that when Newt was in power, he might have expected that his own party had his back when he was playing chicken with Clinton over the budget. From all appearances, Boehner never had his party's support in these negotiations and was wasting everybody's time with them.

213 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:21:46am

re: #209 Dark_Falcon

Lee was an excellent general, but he order an attack that was doomed before it even began. For all its valor, Pickett's Charge is best commemorated with a line from the Crimean War of a decade before:

C'est magnifique, mais ce n'est pas la guerre: c'est de la folie

The Union troops on the line who started chanting "Fredericksburg" knew what was about to happen. Payback.

And the Union tactical command on the 3rd day did a lot of things quite well given how thin their line was. Stannard and the Vermont troops in particular. Compare that to the ad hoc actions to save things on the 2nd day post Sickle's Folly. (1st Minnesota's sacrificial charge in particular.)

214 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:23:11am

re: #212 Targetpractice

Difference is that when Newt was in power, he might have expected that his own party had his back when he was playing chicken with Clinton over the budget. From all appearances, Boehner never had his party's support in these negotiations and was wasting everybody's time with them.

Gee, maybe Boehner could have tried something different, like be a *American leader* and come up with something that was actually bipartisan.
/

215 Kronocide  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:24:52am

Mr Orange, leader?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAA!

216 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:26:34am

re: #214 Feline Fearless Leader

Gee, maybe Boehner could have tried something different, like be a *American leader* and come up with something that was actually bipartisan.
/

Bipartisan to the current GOP is political theater, something they bring out when they want to whine that Democrats aren't playing along anymore with their BS. Boehner pretty much made that clear at the presser, when questioned as to whether he'd allow Obama's proposal to be brought to a vote or if "Plan B's" failure meant he'd work closer with Democrats, by saying that they have two House Republican bills sitting in the Senate and "bipartisan" is the Democrats passing those bills and Obama signing them.

217 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:33:26am

BBL

218 Kronocide  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:33:42am

It's the end of the world as we know it because Michael Stipe feels fine.

219 makeitstop  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:34:09am

Well, the afterlife bears a striking resemblance to the....beforelife, or whatever you call it.

'Morning, Lizards. Raining cats and dogs here on LI today.

220 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:34:36am

Hmm, time to go make some popcorn and prepare drinks for the NRA press conference. Also get the protective tarp ready for all the BS that is going to be spouted.

221 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:35:42am

re: #219 makeitstop

Well, the afterlife bears a striking resemblance to the....beforelife, or whatever you call it.

'Morning, Lizards. Raining cats and dogs here on LI today.

It's Mayan calendar apocalypses all the way down. Until you reach the Christian Hell level and are issued an accordion.

222 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:38:05am

BRYAN U R SO GOING TO HELL

223 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:38:26am

So, what should I wish people today? Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, or Happy End of the World Day?

224 Renaissance_Man  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:39:56am
I wonder if the Republicans would have insisted on all this far right wing dismantling of the US if we'd elected a white male Democrat.

My feeling is "no".

Guarantee you the answer is 'yes'.

The Conservative cult media really rose to power with Clinton, after all. Hatred sells.

225 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:40:10am

re: #222 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

BRYAN U R SO GOING TO HELL

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They spend decades beating into people's heads that any bad act, any bad intention, hell any bad thoughts, will doom them to Hell. And then have the gall to tell folks they don't go to Hell if they don't think they deserve to be there?

226 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:40:12am

'Hazardous Device' Found In College Park

COLLEGE PARK, Md. (WUSA) -- Prince George's County Fire Spokesperson Mark Brady says a hazardous device was found in a College Park neighborhood on Friday morning and several people of interest were questioned. Brady did not know whether there had been any arrests.

The device was reported around 6 a.m. at the intersection of Edgewood Road and Rhode Island Avenue. Homes on either side of the device, in the 5000 block of Edgewood Road, were evacuated. A man says he was alerted about the situation by a neighbor who told him the whole block was cordoned off. The man reported that he heard a boom and saw smoke near a white van at a home.

...According to Brady, a device described as a pipe bomb exploded on a front porch of a house earlier this week in the 8800 block of 48th Avenue in College Park. He says authorities have not ruled out the possibility that the two incidents may be related, but also says the investigation into that incident is also ongoing.

227 stabby  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:40:36am

re: #222 Vicious Michigan Union Thug

wtf, is he just making up his religion?

He's new apostolic right? Does that just let them make shit up?

And if so why is the stuff they make up so poisonous?

228 stabby  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:41:33am

re: #225 Targetpractice

actually normal fundies don't believe that acts have any bearing on getting into heaven, they think only belief and repentance does. both, one isnt' enough

229 stabby  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:42:14am

But new apostolic makes regular fundies look like disney.. These people are SO fucked up.

230 Kronocide  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:43:40am

re: #226 NJDhockeyfan

'Hazardous Device' Found In College Park

Is that where Bryan Fischer is? He's Perpetual Intellectual Napalm.

231 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:44:23am

re: #227 stabby

wtf, is he just making up his religion?

He's new apostolic right? Does that just let them make shit up?

And if so why is the stuff they make up so poisonous?

When you spin up the outrage machine you eventually have to set it to '11' since you always have to top the previous outrage in competition with the other outragers. And since fear and hate have been selling so well with their followers for the last decade or two they stay with that product. The fact that it is in complete opposition to the religious philosophy they supposedly follow is ignored since there is additional dogma indicating that they are the elect and thus above the rules.

232 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:45:03am

Also loved how a reporter asked Boehner if "Plan B's" failure puts his speakership in danger, and Boehner telling her that he's sure that it's secure. Meanwhile, Cantor's standing next to him with this look that says he's trying to figure out where he's gonna put that dagger in John's back.

233 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:49:31am

re: #232 Targetpractice

Can't. Stand. Cantor. He always looks so... smirky.

234 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:49:35am

The NRA presser is set to start at 11am.

235 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:52:39am

re: #234 lawhawk

The NRA presser is set to start at 11am.

And I gotta head to work, where internet access will be gone. Crap.

Why couldn't the world have ended like they said it would?//

236 ProMayaLiberal  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:55:36am

re: #194 William Barnett-Lewis

I had to find a stopgap after ProGunLiberal became obsolete. :P

So McAfee goes away. What about SpySweeper?

237 makeitstop  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:55:44am

re: #234 lawhawk

The NRA presser is set to start at 11am.

Thanks. This should be good.

And by 'good,' I mean 'self-serving and ultimately of no use to solving the problem.'
/

238 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:04:51am

Cops: 2 guns seized from home of teen who threatened shooting at Pa. school, classes canceled

PHILADELPHIA — Police have seized two handguns from the bedroom of a teen they say threatened a shooting at his suburban Philadelphia high school a week after the mass killing at a Connecticut elementary school.

Northampton Township police say the Council Rock South High School ninth-grader was taken into custody Thursday after fellow students reported he made threatening statements.

Detective Sgt. Bill Klein says two 9 mm handguns were in plain sight in the boy's bedroom when police went to his home.

How do parents let their 14 year old keep handguns in their bedroom? It's not like he was hiding them. They must have known.

239 jaunte  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:05:01am
240 makeitstop  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:05:08am

Leading with the victim card. Impressive.

241 bratwurst  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:05:36am

5 minutes in and the NRA is already blaming "gun free zones". Yawn.

242 blueraven  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:05:59am

Oh man, he is advocating more guns...armed security at schools.

243 jaunte  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:06:04am

Moar Gunz

244 A Mom Anon  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:06:11am

Happy Solstice Lizards!! I am just thrilled that we're getting closer and closer to Daylight Savings Time again. I really hate that it gets dark at around 6 pm and doesn't get light out again until almost 7:30 am. Ack.

I wonder if the media will get off their asses enough to ask the NRA spokesperson about the gun store that got raided in Newtown, CT. I also wonder just how many other gun stores are that lax and careless. And can I ask, WTF do we need gun shows for? Can we not just have people have to go to a real freaking gun store to buy their armaments? No internet, no gun shows. It might help in keeping track of the damned things.

245 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:06:19am

Sounds like he's headed for armed guards at schools.

246 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:07:18am

He's calling for armed guards at schools.

And a protester just stopped things in their tracks...

Right, because there were no armed guards at Virginia Tech.

247 RadicalModerate  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:07:21am

CNN has the NRA presser on now, and LaPierre is essentially saying the anti-gun people are responsible for Newtown.

And there's a protestor.

248 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:07:28am

Protestor saying "NRA is killing our children" being herded out.

249 makeitstop  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:07:35am

My web stream is making LaPierre look like an evil android.

Image: lapierre-android.jpg

250 A Mom Anon  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:07:39am

re: #245 CuriousLurker

Seriously, fuck this nutjob. If the NRA gave a shit about dead children LaPierre would be out of a job.

251 jaunte  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:07:48am
252 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:08:21am

Now blaming the media.

253 blueraven  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:08:25am

Media's fault

254 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:08:40am

People who are so evil, it doesn't matter if there are armed guards. They'll still carry out their heinous acts.

At this very moment, there are people who are having all too easy access to guns. But the solution is to add more guns to the mix. Gotcha.

255 jaunte  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:08:59am

Issue little bazookas.

256 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:09:00am

Database of mentally ill.

Criminals.

257 jaunte  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:09:33am

[Link: twitter.com...]

258 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:09:50am

Feds don't prosecute criminals for gun violations.

259 A Mom Anon  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:10:02am

OK,now I want to throw things. Oh a data base of the mentally ill, but not a word about fucking guns and bullets having a role to play here. What a self serving DICK this guy is.

260 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:10:20am

The media again... video games.

261 blueraven  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:10:34am

Shadow industry...violent video game

262 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:10:46am

Callous and corrupt industry - the video game industry.

263 RadicalModerate  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:11:01am

Mortal Combat?

La Pierre is off his fucking rocker.

264 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:11:11am

Movies.

265 blueraven  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:11:31am

Music

266 bratwurst  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:11:43am

Gun-free zones? Check.

Database of the mentally ill? Check.

Violent video games? Check.

Violent movies and music videos? Check.

He's got all of his ducks memes in a row!

267 A Mom Anon  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:11:47am

He must have a wheelbarrow to tote those giant balls around in. Jesus Keerist.

268 RadicalModerate  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:13:00am

He has the gall to talk about violent fantasies? Has he been to a Tea Party rally in the past few years?

269 bratwurst  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:13:04am
270 RadicalModerate  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:13:14am

And another protestor.

271 makeitstop  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:13:38am

Another protestor. This ain't gonna help the NRA in the least.

Good.

272 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:13:49am

Hollywood is the cause? Let's just ignore the fact that mass murders occurred before Hollywood even existed.

This is what this guy's bottom line is:

Firearms have nothing to do with the mix. Let's regulate free speech then.

The First Amendment should be gutted, but damnit if anyone regulates the 2d, which clearly indicates that it should be well regulated by a plain language reading of the law.

273 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:13:52am

The media again.... silent enablers, co-conspirators... moral failings.. don't blame the GUNZ!

Another protestor. Reporter tries to ask question, gets ignored.

274 blueraven  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:14:44am

Protestor looked like Medea Benjamin

275 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:14:50am

Laws won't protect us from guns!

276 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:14:59am

Unfreaking real. The NRA is now proving they are absolutely useless.

277 makeitstop  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:15:01am

Did they just cut the feed? I lost the ABC stream.

278 bratwurst  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:15:30am

Wow, "20,000" gun laws have failed. 20,000.

279 RadicalModerate  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:15:47am

Now he's jumping on the "Arm the teachers" bandwagon.

No, guns aren't evil but nutcases like you are, Mr. LaPierre.

280 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:17:02am

Absolute protection = good guy with gun to stop bad guy with gun.

Whining about media again.

Guns in schools is good because police, soldiers, secret service! Good guys!

281 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:17:34am

re: #277 makeitstop

Did they just cut the feed? I lost the ABC stream.

Try [Link: video.msnbc.msn.com...]

282 blueraven  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:17:47am

Oh FFS he is sounding the "they want to take away all guns" crap

283 jaunte  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:18:01am
284 makeitstop  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:18:11am

From what I saw, this presser will do nothing to strengthen their case.

LaPierre just hurled the NRA into the pit of irrelevancy.

285 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:18:26am

Armed guards in ALL schools, blah, blah, blah...

286 makeitstop  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:18:37am

re: #281 CuriousLurker

Try [Link: video.msnbc.msn.com...]

Thanks, CL!

287 bratwurst  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:18:41am

Shame on anyone who imagined that this man and this organization were anywhere close to capable of making "meaningful contributions" to anything but their own interests.

288 jaunte  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:18:59am
289 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:18:59am

I see the "3am boogeyman breaking into your home" card is being played as well. Politics of fear and hatred.

290 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:19:39am

Fear & hatred of NRA & gun owners. Boo hoo. It's your fault poor principle got killed. What a fucking prick.

291 RadicalModerate  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:19:55am

Could someone explain to Mr. LaPierre that if schools don't have enough money to hire and equip enough teachers, that having an armed guard there is going to be nigh-impossible.

292 blueraven  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:20:06am

I held out a small bit of hope that maybe the NRA would at least be open to some conversation...naive, I know.

This is sad!

293 jaunte  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:20:08am

Well now, yeah.

294 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:20:59am

Nice false equivalency presented between simple ownership/CCW and trained professionals. :p

295 jaunte  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:21:09am
296 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:21:33am

Police officer in every single school.

Politicians have no right to take our gunz!

Retired cops, firefighters, EMS people... deploy them. Riiiiiiiight.

297 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:21:45am

Now he's blaming the president.

298 bratwurst  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:21:54am
299 jaunte  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:22:25am

re: #298 bratwurst

Magically lowering taxes at the same time.

300 A Mom Anon  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:22:38am

re: #293 jaunte

So the NRA is the victim here then. I would LOVE for him to say that to a family member of one of the dead, right to their face.

Proceed Mr LaPierre, Proceed. Dig that canyon even deeper. Prick.

301 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:22:40am

re: #298 bratwurst

Is there an ad/presentation for ED-209s to immediately follow?

302 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:22:51am

This self-serving bastard is out of his ever-loving fucking mind.

303 RadicalModerate  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:23:32am

re: #296 CuriousLurker

Police officer in every single school.

Politicians have no right to take our gunz!

Retired cops, firefighters, EMS people... deploy them. Riiiiiiiight.

Two words for LaPierre:

"Fiscal Cliff"

304 sagehen  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:23:35am

So... every school needs armed guards.

What about movie theatres? Shopping malls? "Congress on your corner" events?

Let's just put an armed cop at every corner of every street and the entrance of every building...

305 bratwurst  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:24:00am

Here's how you know this is a disaster:

306 DREd  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:24:26am

If Boehner wanted Republicans to vote for something he shouldn't have called it Plan B

307 jaunte  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:24:37am

Arm the PTA.

308 A Mom Anon  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:24:50am

re: #302 CuriousLurker

Honestly, I would have loved to see the press walk out after the poor poor NRA part. Just shut it down and leave. God, I'm more pissed now than I was a week ago. What an evil piece of crap.

309 RadicalModerate  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:25:07am

Spearheading the NRA effort: Right wing nutcase Asa Hutchinson.

310 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:25:56am

Armed security, technology, training, building security...

Who in the HELL is going to pay for all that?

Damn, just lost my feed...

311 jaunte  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:26:03am
312 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:26:13am

re: #308 A Mom Anon

Honestly, I would have loved to see the press walk out after the poor poor NRA part. Just shut it down and leave. God, I'm more pissed now than I was a week ago. What an evil piece of crap.

Why bother taking questions when the presentation is your position and heaven and earth are not going to budge you from it? And said position is not based on reality in the first place.

313 bratwurst  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:26:56am
314 allegro  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:27:05am

The evil asshole talking about how we love our money more than our kids because we don't want to put armed guards in every school. My disgust with this fucker cannot be expressed.

315 RadicalModerate  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:28:00am

LaPierre left the room FAST after introducing Hutchinson.

316 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:28:16am

I hope the press and everyone from the President to the local dogcatcher piles on this asshole.

Oh, we get to hear more about the "program" form Hutchinson. Goody. //

317 jaunte  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:28:43am

The Slide Fire helps shooters increase their accuracy and number of rounds—without actually firing automatically. "You actively fire every round, and if you stop pushing forward or you take your finger off the trigger the gun stops firing. It just helps you fire the gun in semiautomatic very fast," Cottle told the magazine.

A letter from the ATF on Slide Fire's website certifies the part's legality for exactly that reason. According to the letter, Slide Fire told ATF that the stock "is intended to assist persons whose hands have limited mobility." So, basically, if you are missing a hand and need to fire a gun like Capone, the Slide Fire is for you.

Off the rails.

318 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:29:19am

The media demonizes lawful gun owners.

Hey, Nancy Lanza was a lawful gun owner. Her guns were the one used in the massacre. Her son used those lawfully purchased guns to commit mass murder.

319 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:30:02am

Looks like I'm missing quite a show.

320 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:31:22am

re: #319 NJDhockeyfan

It's a train wreck.

321 jaunte  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:31:24am
322 RadicalModerate  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:31:37am

Armed local volunteers.

Sort of like George Zimmerman?

323 jaunte  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:32:26am

Chris Hayes:
"Useful reminder: The first person Adam Lanza murdered owned a bunch of guns."

324 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:32:32am

re: #322 RadicalModerate

Armed local volunteers.

Sort of like George Zimmerman?

yes.

325 allegro  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:32:37am

re: #318 lawhawk

The media demonizes lawful gun owners.

Hey, Nancy Lanza was a lawful gun owner. Her guns were the one used in the massacre. Her son used those lawfully purchased guns to commit mass murder.

As I recall, every mass shooting of late has been committed with legal guns. Every time we hear "but they were legal so what are we gonna do?" as an excuse to do nothing at all.

And I am so sick of this self-defense crap. If we were really interested in self defense we would have basic martial arts self defense training in every school.

326 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:33:12am

Model security plan, most up to date technology.

Armed security personnel. Can be rejected at local level. Doesn't say how this will be affordable.

Okay, I get it. Armed guards = MOAR GUNZ and they can drum up some business for their pals who have companies that sell private security, security technology, etc.

No answers till we see what the fallout form this presser will be!

327 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:33:52am

Who the heck has the time to do the kind of volunteering needed to secure schools? They can barely be bothered to volunteer to actually help with educating the kids and helping with school programs, but they're going to line up across the nation for school safety programs?

School safety is indeed a complex issue, but armed guards wont make much difference when faced with AR-15s that can punch through body armor.

BPVs wont protect against rifles. Ceramic inserts can provide some protection.

328 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:35:10am

I'm beyond disgusted. Need to get some work done. Later, lizards.

329 blueraven  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:35:18am

Armed guards in all schools

How about all
theaters
restaurants
day care centers
office buildings
grocery stores
churches

Yes, we are in a fucking war zone

330 jaunte  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:35:24am

NRA:
"This is the beginning of a serious conversation.
We won't be taking any questions."

331 allegro  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:35:38am

re: #327 lawhawk

Who the heck has the time to do the kind of volunteering needed to secure schools? They can barely be bothered to volunteer to actually help with educating the kids and helping with school programs, but they're going to line up across the nation for school safety programs?

Unfortunately, the George Zimmerman's probably would so they could strut around with their guns and be spayshul.

332 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:35:40am

re: #326 CuriousLurker

Model security plan, most up to date technology.

Armed security personnel. Can be rejected at local level. Doesn't say how this will be affordable.

Okay, I get it. Armed guards = MOAR GUNZ and they can drum up some business for their pals who have companies that sell private security, security technology, etc.

No answers till we see what the fallout form this presser will be!

None. NRA is stating the same BS for their followers, so no change in what they and their allied media reps will bleat for the next few weeks. Those wanting regulation changes will proceed as if this event never took place since the statements are not adding anything new to the conversation. Just providing some additional video and quotes making clear that the NRA position is insane and cemented in place.

333 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:35:44am

Ahhh, here's an explanation for the Mayan calender prediction...

Leading Off: Were the Mayans Just Predicting the End of the N.H.L.?

We have finally made sense of the N.H.L. lockout. After a season of staring at this sorry spectacle and concluding that N.H.L. owners are the adult equivalent of children who light things on fire just because they like to watch them burn, there is a glimmer of reason in all of this.

According to the Mayan/Gary Bettman calendar, the world was supposed to end Friday. So, why play part of a season? Why pay players and arena workers? It’s the dullest part of the season. The apocalypse would come and the Columbus Blue Jackets could still be in view of a playoff spot. This would be an eternal stain on the N.H.L.’s reputation. And if all that money they saved was still regarded as currency in the Mayan/Bettman afterlife, they’d all be stinking rich and hailed as postapocalyptic geniuses. Right?

And maybe Plan B was, even if the world didn’t end, global warming would melt all the ice anyway, so why bother?

Heh.

334 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:38:24am

Well played, Mayan calendar. Well played.

Image: kaboom.jpg

335 blueraven  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:40:44am

As disgusting as this "news conference" was, I think it just galvanized people from the left and from the right. We see who the enemy is very clearly.

336 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:41:12am

re: #334 Lidane

Well played, Mayan calendar. Well played.

Image: kaboom.jpg

re: #196 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

I woke up and we are still here?

337 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:41:33am

re: #305 bratwurst

Haha, wow. When even Erick, Son of Erick can't spin that shit into gold, you know there's a problem.

338 jaunte  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:41:48am

This press conference was just insanely stupid enough to raise thousands more in contributions to the NRA. They really know their supporters' buttons.

339 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:43:21am

re: #337 Lidane

Pro gun folks are claiming that the NRA made sensible suggestions, but the left went off the rails with their ensuing attacks.

If the suggestions were so sensible, how come no Q&A after they offered them.

340 BongCrodny  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:43:28am

re: #263 RadicalModerate

Mortal Combat?

La Pierre is off his fucking rocker.

I wonder how LaPierre's bullshit must seem to the parents that lost their kids.

341 blueraven  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:43:34am

re: #338 jaunte

This press conference was just insanely stupid enough to raise thousands more in contributions to the NRA. They really know their supporters' buttons.

Conversely, it may cause many to burn their NRA cards.

342 CarleeCork  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:44:43am

re: #50 Joanne

And this is based upon...?

It's my birthday.

343 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:45:28am

re: #209 Dark_Falcon

Lee was an excellent general, but he order an attack that was doomed before it even began. For all its valor, Pickett's Charge is best commemorated with a line from the Crimean War of a decade before:

C'est magnifique, mais ce n'est pas la guerre: c'est de la folie

You're the only other person that always remembers the whole comment. In a real way, though, Pickett's was worse - at least the charge at Balaclava can be laid to misunderstanding. Lee's orders were just stupidity.

344 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:45:33am

re: #340 BongCrodny

If I were one of the parents and I had been there I would have been on that stage beating the living shit out of that douche nozzle.

345 Slap  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:45:54am

re: #223 Targetpractice

So, what should I wish people today? Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, or Happy End of the World Day?

"Happy Frank Zappa's Birthday" works for me!

346 jaunte  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:46:15am
347 GunstarGreen  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:46:27am

re: #301 Feline Fearless Leader

Is there an ad/presentation for ED-209s to immediately follow?

They still need to work out a few glitches...

Actually, given recent American history regarding police use of force, it would fit right in! //

348 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:47:04am

re: #346 jaunte

But, but, it will be in metric! 5.56 or 9 mm!
///

349 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:50:04am

BTW, they had a week to come up with this. Think about that for a moment and reflect on the grandeur of the presser.

350 A Mom Anon  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:50:37am

Alright, I have to go do something productive today so I don't scream my head off. Honest to god, Wayne LaPierre needs to be unemployed as of 5 minutes ago. Sadly, I think there's probably a long line of assholes willing to take his place in that organization. That's one natural resource we seem to have more than enough of- assholes. Yay.

351 jaunte  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:50:39am

Putting a Police Officer In Every School Would Cost At Least $5.5 Billion a Year

According to the National Center for Education Statistics there are 98,817 K-12 schools in the United States. The Bureau of Labor Statistics says cops make $55,000 a year. So we could put $5.4 billion as the low level estimate of the cost. Cops obviously have health care benefits and pension and disability benefits for police offers tend to be fairly costly so the real price would be higher than that.

Fund it with a tax on guns & ammo, and an annual license for users.

352 RadicalModerate  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:50:57am

President Obama speaking at memorial service for Sen. Daniel Inouye, recalling his own youth in Hawaii.

353 Mattand  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:53:11am

Just checking in. I see by earlier comments that Captain Hollowpoint lived up to expectations in the NRA presser.

Seriously, can't we just lock him and Norquist in a steamer trunk and ship him to Antarctica?

354 Kronocide  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:54:20am

re: #262 lawhawk

Callous and corrupt industry - the video game industry.

Gun don't kill people. Video games kill people.

355 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:56:11am

re: #351 jaunte

Putting a Police Officer In Every School Would Cost At Least $5.5 Billion a Year

Fund it with a tax on guns & ammo, and an annual license for users.

HA HA MOAR VICIOUS UNION THUGS, NOW WITH A BUNCH OF GUNZ!

356 jaunte  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:56:58am

Charlotte Allen at NRO

At Esquire’s Politics blog, Charles Pierce gave me the McArdle Award, named after the Daily Beast’s Megan McArdle for suggesting that gang-rushing the shooter would work better than gun bans to avert mass murders or minimize their deadly damage. (Since I wholeheartedly agree with McArdle — and I suggested that very tactic in my NRO symposium piece–I’m honored to accept the award.)

How can these people manage to find their way out of the house every morning?

357 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:57:32am

Drive-by post, just wanted to drop this off:

Transcript of the remarks from the NRA press conference

358 jaunte  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:58:03am

Let's gang-rush the NRA.

359 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:58:06am

I see that while I was out getting some presents, the NRA was proving once again that their congressional charter needs to be revoked and given to the CMP.

Ah, well, my feelings on the subject have been mailed in already. Not that the Veep will ever see them but ...

360 sagehen  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:58:41am

re: #223 Targetpractice

So, what should I wish people today? Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, or Happy End of the World Day?

Happy Solstice!!

There will be more light tomorrow than today, and more still the day after that.

361 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:59:23am

re: #353 Mattand

Just checking in. I see by earlier comments that Captain Hollowpoint lived up to expectations in the NRA presser.

Seriously, can't we just lock him and Norquist in a steamer trunk and ship him to Antarctica?

Won't that lead to an armed libertarian penguin invasion in 10 years as their glaciers melt?
/

362 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:00:06am

re: #351 jaunte

Putting a Police Officer In Every School Would Cost At Least $5.5 Billion a Year

All we need to do is kill the Department of Education.

Voila! Problem solved!

///

363 sagehen  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:00:20am

re: #360 sagehen

Happy Solstice!!

There will be more light tomorrow than today, and more still the day after that.

(not applicable to Australians; you shall descend into darkness.)

364 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:00:59am

re: #356 jaunte

How can these people manage to find their way out of the house every morning?

Shit, I'm impressed that they can dress themselves. The rest is details.

365 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:01:05am

re: #356 jaunte

Charlotte Allen at NRO

How can these people manage to find their way out of the house every morning?

Pickett's Charge: the most successful maneuver in military history!//

366 bratwurst  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:01:26am

re: #354 Kronocide

Gun don't kill people. Video games kill people.

Never mind the fact that they play the same violent games and watch the same "blood soaked" movies in Canada and western Europe without nearly as much real life gunplay. I wonder what the difference could be. Maybe the US is just cursed with more "evil monsters".

367 Mattand  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:02:09am

re: #361 Feline Fearless Leader

Won't that lead to an armed libertarian penguin invasion in 10 years as their glaciers melt?
/

368 Kronocide  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:02:12am

Home-school not homo-school!

369 jaunte  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:02:56am

All those students on the UT campus back in 1966 should have just rushed up the 300 foot tower to get Charles Whitman.

370 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:02:59am

re: #366 bratwurst

Never mind the fact that they play the same violent games and watch the same "blood soaked" movies in Canada and western Europe without nearly as much real life gunplay. I wonder what the difference could be. Maybe the US is just cursed with more "evil monsters".

Did he blame cartoons too?

371 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:04:04am

re: #370 NJDhockeyfan

Did he blame cartoons too?

BLAME SOUTH PARK!

372 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:04:07am
373 blueraven  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:04:33am

re: #349 lawhawk

BTW, they had a week to come up with this. Think about that for a moment and reflect on the grandeur of the presser.

And only an hour or so after church bells tolled 26 times for the victims of this gun violence. He was combative and arrogant.
The timing alone was terrible. The substance was worse.

374 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:04:58am
375 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:05:28am

re: #366 bratwurst

Never mind the fact that they play the same violent games and watch the same "blood soaked" movies in Canada and western Europe without nearly as much real life gunplay. I wonder what the difference could be. Maybe the US is just cursed with more "evil monsters".

Another interesting definition for "American Exceptionalism", eh?

376 Mattand  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:05:37am

Here's the thing with the NRA press conference: it did not need to happen. Regardless of your take on guns, anyone who's followed this subject for a more than 27 secondes knew exactly what LaPierre was going to say.

They could have simply released a written statement on their website. It's like he needed to a week to distill all of the conservative crazy from the interwebs into a fine concentrate of asshole.

377 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:05:54am
378 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:06:58am

Looks like Chuck Hagel is taking some heat about being nominated for secretary of defense.

379 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:07:38am
380 bratwurst  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:08:05am

re: #370 NJDhockeyfan

Did he blame cartoons too?

Honestly, Tom and Jerry cartoons are probably the only aspect of "media" he didn't point the finger of blame at this morning.

If this was his measured and considered response a week after the fact, it would really have been something to hear what he was REALLY thinking last Saturday.

381 jaunte  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:08:07am

One "armed guard in school" story:

Jefferson County Sheriff’s Deputy Neil Gardner soon would complete his second year as the uniformed community resource officer assigned to Columbine High School. Gardner, a 15-year veteran of the Sheriff’s Office, normally ate his lunch with the students in the cafeteria during first lunch period.

On April 20, however, Deputy Gardner and campus supervisor Andy Marton, an unarmed school security officer employed by the school district, were eating lunch in Gardner’s patrol car. They were monitoring students in the “Smokers’ Pit,” a spot just to the northwest of campus in Clement Park where the students congregated to smoke cigarettes.

Gardner had just finished his lunch when he received a call over the school’s radio from a custodian. “Neil,” called the custodian in a panicked voice, “I need you in the back lot!”
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

382 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:08:20am

Zing!

383 Mattand  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:09:18am

re: #378 NJDhockeyfan

Looks like Chuck Hagel is taking some heat about being nominated for secretary of defense.

Gee, Republicans freaking out because one of their own is putting country before for party. What a surprise.

Why, why, why do people keep supporting the GOP? They're a group of people willing to destroy the US if they don't get their way. It's really making me start to wonder about people who vote for them.

384 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:10:25am

re: #383 Mattand

Why, why, why do people keep supporting the GOP? They're a group of people willing to destroy the US if they dont' get their way. It's really making me start to wonder about people who vote for them.

Image: voting_republican_sm.jpg

385 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:11:15am

re: #383 Mattand

Gee, Republicans freaking out because one of their own is putting country before for party. What a surprise.

Why, why, why do people keep supporting the GOP? They're a group of people willing to destroy the US if they dont' get their way. It's really making me start to wonder about people who vote for them.

The GOP? When did the HRC become a part of the GOP?

WASHINGTON — Former Sen. Chuck Hagel, widely viewed as President Obama’s likely choice to lead the Pentagon and already under fire from some pro-Israel supporters, faced a new level of resistance Thursday from activists upset over his record on gay rights.

The sharpest criticism came from the Human Rights Campaign (HRC), a key White House ally and the country’s leading gay-rights group, whose president pointed to a 1998 comment in which Hagel questioned whether an “openly aggressively gay” nominee could be an effective U.S. ambassador.

“Sen. Hagel’s unacceptable comments about gay people, coupled with his consistent anti-LGBT record in Congress, raise serious questions about where he stands on [lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender] equality today,” said HRC President Chad Griffin, a major fundraiser for Obama’s re-election campaign. “For him to be an appropriate candidate for any administration post, he must repudiate his comments.”

The rising concerns bubbled to the surface even after phone calls to gay-rights activists in recent days from senior White House aides, including top Obama adviser Valerie Jarrett.

386 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:11:54am
387 Mattand  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:13:09am

re: #384 Lidane

Image: voting_republican_sm.jpg

Yeah, that family Xmas party I mentioned on Sunday is like that. Most of them are union, and I'm sure most of them voted GOP because they didn't want the ni-CLANG! in the White House.

388 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:15:26am

NYC public schools have NYPD school safety officers at the schools. More than 5k officers to patrol nearly 1,500 schools.

That by itself doesn't stop gun violence in the schools. The guns keep getting into the schools and there are periodic incidences of shootings.

The larger issue isn't mass/spree killings - its the abundance and overwhelming number of homicides by firearms that have to be addressed, and this presser did nothing to address that issue at all.

They were talking right past anyone who might be willing to have a discussion on the matter.

The NRA telegraphed its intentions quite clearly. Their idea of a discussion was to avoid taking questions that might show that there's nothing behind the proposals except hot air, and hot lead.

More guns and more police at schools wont prevent shootings.

It didn't stop VA Tech. It didn't stop Columbine.

There were armed police/security at both schools, and yet the massacres took place.

Heck, even having 1 guard at a school would be ineffective considering the size of some schools or campuses for K-12.

Out in Scottsdale AZ where there was just a suspected gunman incident that turned out to be false, the campus for the school was quite large and too big for 1 person to secure. You'd need several. Even then, it wouldn't be enough - particularly with a determined killer. The killer would still be able to inflict carnage in those situations before being confronted by an armed good guy (and most of these mass killings end up with the killer committing suicide before cops have a chance to close in and kill/capture the gunman).

389 blueraven  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:16:06am

re: #378 NJDhockeyfan

Looks like Chuck Hagel is taking some heat about being nominated for secretary of defense.

Which is another stupid move from RWNJs.

390 Kronocide  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:17:13am

re: #385 NJDhockeyfan

The GOP? When did the HRC become a part of the GOP?

Huh? That doesn't make sense.

391 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:17:17am

DERP


What happens when the bad guy shoots himself? Does he turn into the good guy?

392 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:18:00am

re: #389 blueraven

Which is another stupid move from RWNJs.

Obama is going to nominate this cretin, not RWNJs.

393 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:19:31am

re: #390 Kronocide

Huh? That doesn't make sense.

His possible nomination is being criticized by all sides. Why blame the GOP for it?

394 Mattand  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:20:25am

re: #385 NJDhockeyfan

The GOP? When did the HRC become a part of the GOP?

My mistake. I assumed that this was a situation like a couple of years ago, when Obama nominated a GOP senator to a cabinet position. The guy accepted and then bailed when the GOP gave him a ton of shit about it.

My comments about the GOP and the people who vote for them still stand.

395 erik_t  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:20:33am

re: #351 jaunte

Putting a Police Officer In Every School Would Cost At Least $5.5 Billion a Year

Fund it with a tax on guns & ammo, and an annual license for users.

90-odd thousand counts only public schools. Another 33,000 or so private. Private-school kids, presumably, should not be left out to dry...?

Never mind the number of schools I've been to with more than one door. Which is, oh, all of them.

Fucking morons.

396 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:20:35am

VT shooter - committed suicide
Columbine - committed suicide
Sandy Hook - committed suicide

I could go on, but it isn't cops that stopped the violence. The gunmen all commited suicide before law enforcement could stop the act in progress and that's with VT and Columbine having police/armed security on campus at the time the shootings began. VT has an entire police force. Didn't stop the violence from happening.

SUNY Albany has its own police force. It didn't' stop a gunman from holding a class hostage (that situation ended when students being held hostage rushed the gunman and one was seriously injured in the process).

Adding more guns to the mix wont help, and potentially will cause even more harm especially if it's in the form of volunteers or ununiformed personnel. That will slow emergency response as law enforcement attempts to secure the situation.

397 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:23:43am
398 allegro  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:24:06am

re: #392 NJDhockeyfan

Obama is gong to nominate this cretin, not RWNJs.

What is your specific objection to his appointment?

399 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:25:13am
400 Apeman  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:25:23am

I found it odd that the guy telling us we needed guns to protect ourselves and kill bad guys also indicted us for viewing movies/games/music/media/insert boogeyman as the real problem. How is "we need guns to kill bad guys" not fantasizing about killing? How is the media "murder culture" any different than LaPierre's favourite flavour of "murder culture?"

401 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:25:24am

Abe Foxman: Chuck Hagel 'troubling'

Former Sen. Chuck Hagel’s possible nomination for the top Pentagon position is “troubling” to the American Jewish community, the head of the Anti-Defamation League told POLITICO.

Hagel has “expressed himself in an interview about the power of the ‘Jewish lobby,’ declaring himself to be an American senator, not an Israeli senator,” Abraham Foxman, the national director of the ADL, told POLITICO in a phone call from Jerusalem on Tuesday. “That’s pretty disturbing language which … borders onto conspiratorial.

“At the very least it’s of concern to the American Jewish community, at the very most, it’s very troubling,” Foxman added. “But it’s the president’s choice, and the president will set the policy if in fact Sen. Hagel does get the nomination.”

Foxman’s comments come as scrutiny mounts for the Nebraska Republican’s record on foreign affairs. Hagel has long taken fire from some corners of the Jewish community and supporters of Israel, and concern over his previous positions has intensified among some on Capitol Hill and in conservative and Jewish circles since news surfaced last week that he looked primed for the Pentagon pick.

“What I find more troubling is, he had sufficient time to distance himself from the ‘Jewish lobby’ quote, to explain, and he hasn’t,” Foxman said, referring to quotes from interviews Hagel gave several years ago. “He let it stand. I find that more troubling than the original statement. He sees it out there, he sees it being seen as this truly conspiratorial view, that the Jewish lobby controls foreign policy, and there’s no comment.”

402 EmmaAnne  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:25:30am

I know some gun nuts. They would freak out if the federal government put 90,000 armed agents in our communities (and they'd have to be federal - no way the states could pay for this).

They are just flailing with this.

403 blueraven  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:25:59am

re: #392 NJDhockeyfan

Obama is going to nominate this cretin, not RWNJs.

Chuck Hagel is a cretin?

Does he deserve this?

Senate Aide: 'Send Us Hagel and We Will Make Sure Every American Knows He Is an Anti-Semite

404 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:27:09am

re: #392 NJDhockeyfan

Obama is going to nominate this cretin, not RWNJs.

Cretin? Really now.

405 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:31:16am

re: #403 blueraven

Here he is calling Strom Thurman 'a true American role model'. If I recall Trent Lott got blasted and resigned for saying something similar.

406 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:31:23am

ZOMG RINO!

407 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:32:34am
408 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:32:50am

re: #407 Lidane

...

....

409 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:33:06am

re: #256 CuriousLurker

Database of mentally ill.

Criminals.

Okay I missed the presser.

What...what?

410 Kronocide  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:33:10am

re: #392 NJDhockeyfan

Obama is going to nominate this cretin, not RWNJs.

He is? That's quite a prediction.

411 blueraven  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:33:10am

re: #401 NJDhockeyfan

Abe Foxman: Chuck Hagel 'troubling'

There are certainly some Israel Lobby groups that are out of line...like ECI.

This is a smear campaign.

412 GunstarGreen  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:33:12am

re: #403 blueraven

Chuck Hagel is a cretin?

Does he deserve this?

Senate Aide: 'Send Us Hagel and We Will Make Sure Every American Knows He Is an Anti-Semite

As brow-raising as I think it is for him to have made remarks about "the Jewish lobby" and being an "American senator, not a Jewish senator" (those phrases certainly have some troubling interpretations, but I don't think they could really be construed as outright anti-semitic), doesn't the very notion -- that being branded as an Anti-Semite would be a huge blow to him -- sort of vindicate him?

Let's not kid ourselves. Jesse Helms wasn't exactly treated like an outcast by the right when he was in the senate.

413 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:33:21am

re: #405 NJDhockeyfan

Here he is calling Strom Thurman 'a true American role model'. If I recall Trent Lott got blasted and resigned for saying something similar.

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No, Trent Lott got blasted for saying we would have been better off if Thurmond had won in 1948 while Thurmond was still alive. There is a difference. What you're posting is a commemoration of Thurmond in the Senate after he died in which in his colleagues from both parties would praising him.

414 makeitstop  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:33:58am

re: #402 EmmaAnne

I know some gun nuts. They would freak out if the federal government put 90,000 armed agents in our communities (and they'd have to be federal - no way the states could pay for this).

They are just flailing with this.

Obummer's stealth army!!!1ty!1

415 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:34:03am

re: #409 The Ghost of a Flea

Okay I missed the presser.

What...what?

The NRA's big plan -- MOAR GUNZ, armed guards in every school, and a database of the mentally ill. Oh, and Hollywood and violent video games are to blame.

416 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:34:03am

re: #401 NJDhockeyfan

Abe Foxman: Chuck Hagel 'troubling'

It seems he has a bit too much baggage. He's going to have trouble getting the confirmation.

417 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:34:30am

re: #347 GunstarGreen

They still need to work out a few glitches...

Actually, given recent American history regarding police use of force, it would fit right in! //

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When I first saw that scene I said out loud, in the theatre, "Must have been programmed in C, and they forgot to put a semi-colon right there."

418 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:36:24am
419 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:37:43am

re: #409 The Ghost of a Flea

Okay I missed the presser.

What...what?

Context (whine):

LAPIERRE: How many more copycats are waiting in the wings for their moment of fame from a national media machine that rewards them with wall-to-wall attention and a sense of identity that they crave, while provoking others to try to make their mark.

A dozen more killers, a hundred more? How can we possibly even guess how many, given our nation’s refusal to create an active national database of the mentally ill? The fact is this: That wouldn’t even begin to address the much larger, more lethal criminal class -- killers, robbers, rapists, gang members who have spread like cancer in every community across our nation. [...]

Full transcript at WaPo...

420 jaunte  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:37:44am

re: #418 wrenchwench

National registry of the mentally ill. Wouldn't that be socialized medicine?

421 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:38:01am

re: #416 Killgore Trout

It seems he has a bit too much baggage. He's going to have trouble getting the confirmation.

Strom Thurman, Israel, gay issues...he has quite a mountain to climb.

422 blueraven  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:38:02am

re: #405 NJDhockeyfan

Here he is calling Strom Thurman 'a true American role model'. If I recall Trent Lott got blasted and resigned for saying something similar.

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I am so sure he was the only one to say nice things about Thurman after he died. /

423 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:39:14am
424 makeitstop  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:39:39am

Well, I guess someone can cross 'distribute Hagel talking points' off their to-do list.
//

425 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:39:46am

re: #420 jaunte

National registry of the mentally ill. Wouldn't that be socialized medicine?

A national registry of the mentally ill is okay, but a national registry of gun owners would be a step too far, I'm sure.

426 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:41:14am
427 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:41:34am

The mentally ill and gun owners.

One of these two groups has been histories of being brutally discriminated against in ways that involve bodily violation, inescapable social stigma, and violence.

The other has been slightly stymied in their hobby.

(Thanks Lidane and CL)

428 jaunte  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:42:44am
429 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:42:45am
430 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:43:12am

Dozens of cops are killed annually in the line of duty - most of them while confronting suspects involved in other violent crimes.

The numbers would be even higher but for the prevalence of bpvs.

431 Political Atheist  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:43:52am

The NRA statement is so terribly disappointing. Adequade language escapes me short of an f bomb. I am unsurprised, but they really missed it. And now we have people arguing against school security (out there in the media) because the NRA wants it. Ugh. There are a bunch of school police departments already. I doubt anyone thinks those should be shut down.

Hyperbole helps/saves no one.

432 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:44:12am

re: #154 Dark_Falcon

Not a good piece, but thankfully its not hateful either. I'm glad Hanson avoided Derbyshire's path, though its still an alarmist piece.

From that VDH piece:

There is a growing danger in this latest round of racial tribalism. Stirring up the pot for short-term political gain in a multiracial society is abjectly insane.

He's accusing black people of doing what he himself is doing.

And 'alarmist' = 'hateful'.

433 calochortus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:44:19am

Anyone besides me notice that this statement from LaPierre:

Will you at least admit it’s possible that 26 little kids, that 26 innocent lives might have been spared that day?

(emphasis mine)

He doesn't even know who died. 20 kids and 6 adults. Not 26 kids. Words fail.

434 Gus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:45:09am
435 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:45:20am

re: #432 wrenchwench

From that VDH piece:

He's accusing black people of doing what he himself is doing.

And 'alarmist' = 'hateful'.

He's a hateful dick who gets away with a lot of what he does because he does it in intellectual language.

436 GunstarGreen  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:45:33am

re: #433 calochortus

Anyone besides me notice that this statement from LaPierre:

(emphasis mine)

He doesn't even know who died. 20 kids and 6 adults. Not 26 kids. Words fail.

To the NRA, victims aren't important. All that matters are numbers they can try to use to advance their cause.

437 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:45:48am

re: #433 calochortus

Anyone besides me notice that this statement from LaPierre:

(emphasis mine)

He doesn't even know who died. 20 kids and 6 adults. Not 26 kids. Words fail.

Yeah.

438 allegro  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:46:14am

re: #425 Lidane

A national registry of the mentally ill is okay, but a national registry of gun owners would be a step too far, I'm sure.

Apparently LaPierre advocates government seizure of psychiatrist's and psychologist's files to be published. Also any GP who prescribes antidepressants. That's just the beginning of creating such a list. This to protect our freedom, of course.

439 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:47:01am

Chuck Hagel Once Opposed Nominee Because He Was “Openly Aggressively Gay”

WASHINGTON — Former Sen. Chuck Hagel — a finalist for the post of secretary of defense in Obama's second term — once opposed a nominee to be U.S. ambassador to Luxembourg because he was "openly aggressively gay."

“Ambassadorial posts are sensitive," Hagel told to the Omaha World-Herald in 1998, opposing the nomination of philanthropist James Hormel. "They are representing America," he said. "They are representing our lifestyle, our values, our standards. And I think it is an inhibiting factor to be gay — openly aggressively gay like Mr. Hormel — to do an effective job."

What a swell guy!
//

440 Gus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:47:08am

re: #427 The Ghost of a Flea

The mentally ill and gun owners.

One of these two groups has been histories of being brutally discriminated against in ways that involve bodily violation, inescapable social stigma, and violence.

The other has been slightly stymied in their hobby.

(Thanks Lidane and CL)

Right to bear arms trumps the right to privacy? Questions which we must ponder. Is the NRA seeking special rights?

441 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:47:50am

re: #438 allegro

Apparently LaPierre advocates government seizure of psychiatrist's and psychologist's files to be published. Also any GP who prescribes antidepressants. That's just the beginning of creating such a list. This to protect our freedom, of course.

Sheesh. I don't want to ever hear him cry then about things like waiting periods and background checks if he's going to be proposing that. This really reeks of scapegoat anyone who may have some form of mental illness and I don't like it, I don't like it one damn bit.

442 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:48:02am

re: #435 HappyWarrior

He's a hateful dick who gets away with a lot of what he does because he does it in intellectual language.

Yep. Anyone who uses the word 'racialist', as VDH does in his very first sentence, is most likely a racist who thinks he's an intellectual.

443 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:48:13am

re: #430 lawhawk

Combine my link and report about cops killed in the line of duty and the utility of bpvs.

The PA shootings referenced by lidane above - 3 cops were injured, including one who was shot while wearing a bpv, 1 injured in a crash, and 1 by flying debris. Tell me again how having police in schools (or shopping malls, supermarkets, etc., or Holocaust museum, or Capitol Hill) is a deterrent to a determined shooter?

444 calochortus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:48:29am

re: #436 GunstarGreen

To the NRA, victims aren't important. All that matters are numbers they can try to use to advance their cause.

Speaking practically however, PR should matter and it's good policy to have a better grasp on what happened a week after the fact.

445 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:50:22am

re: #439 NJDhockeyfan

Chuck Hagel Once Opposed Nominee Because He Was “Openly Aggressively Gay”

What a swell guy!
//

You do know that nearly every member of the GOP Senate opposed Hormel for that reason. I'm not defending Hagel's actions but you're presenting it as if it was Hagel alone that objected to Mr. Hormel's nomination based on his sexuality.

446 blueraven  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:50:26am

re: #439 NJDhockeyfan

Chuck Hagel Once Opposed Nominee Because He Was “Openly Aggressively Gay”

What a swell guy!
//

You are bringing up stuff from 15 years ago. How many republicans at that time did the same?

447 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:51:22am

re: #438 allegro

It would gut HIPAA confidentiality provisions, but any attempts to regulate the acquisition of firearms is prohibited. Any attempt to regulate is treated as confiscation.

Gun regulation is not gun confiscation.

448 Kronocide  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:52:42am

Lots of concern about Hagel, the non-nominee.

449 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:52:44am

re: #446 blueraven

You are bringing up stuff from 15 years ago. How many republicans at that time did the same?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
A lot of them including good old Mr. Global Warming Denying, Jim Inholfe and the lovely Family Research Council. I won't condone Hagel's actions with Hormel in the slightest but this is being presented as if Hagel alone worked to subvert the nomination because of Hormel's sexuality when in reality, the Republican leadership played a big role in that.
Jim Inholfe- not Jim DeMint

450 allegro  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:52:49am

re: #431 Political Atheist

The NRA statement is so terribly disappointing. Adequade language escapes me short of an f bomb. I am unsurprised, but they really missed it. And now we have people arguing against school security (out there in the media) because the NRA wants it. Ugh. There are a bunch of school police departments already. I doubt anyone thinks those should be shut down.

Hyperbole helps/saves no one.

Really? Who? Someone in the media is really arguing against school security?

What was that about hyperbole?

451 makeitstop  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:53:20am

Am I to assume that this Hagel stuff is appearing on blog comments web-wide as we speak?

452 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:54:13am

Hmmm... how many gun owners who have paranoid delusions, OCD, etc. would be prohibited from firearms ownership under the NRA "proposal" regarding mental health registries. There's overlap in there somewhere - like the gun nuts, preppers, etc. who think that the government is out to take all their guns.

453 makeitstop  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:54:31am

re: #450 allegro

Really? Who? Someone in the media is really arguing against school security?

What was that about hyperbole?

Not advocating armed guards at every school = arguing against school security. Welcome to Wayne (LaPierre)'s World.
/

454 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:55:39am

re: #445 HappyWarrior

You do know that nearly every member of the GOP Senate opposed Hormel for that reason. I'm not defending Hagel's actions but you're presenting it as if it was Hagel alone that objected to Mr. Hormel's nomination based on his sexuality.

re: #446 blueraven

You are bringing up stuff from 15 years ago. How many republicans at that time did the same?

He never took back that statement or any of the other ones that are being questioned right now. The reason it's being brought up now is because he's a finalist for the top Pentagon position. Many politicians have been blasted on here for much less. Why is Hagel getting a pass?

455 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:56:00am

Many schools around the country already have security of one form or another. It wont stop mass murders.

Reducing the ability for those people to get their hands on firearms in the first place could reduce all the carnage - all homicides and suicides (plus all the injuries and accidents) and their related costs to society.

But to the NRA, it's more important to limit the 1st Amendment than to consider reasonable restrictions under the 2d.

456 jaunte  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:56:09am

re: #451 makeitstop

The case against Chuck Hagel: legitimate concerns, character assassination and selective outrage

Chemi Shalev: "The former senator and prospective secretary of defense is the victim of a vile campaign of vilification, which, one suspects, is really aimed at Barack Obama."

457 Political Atheist  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:56:11am

re: #450 allegro

Yes in comments I am not going to link. Some of them are just about the cost.

458 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:56:58am

re: #451 makeitstop

Am I to assume that this Hagel stuff is appearing on blog comments web-wide as we speak?

It's in all the major news websites, not just blogs.

459 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:57:47am

re: #439 NJDhockeyfan

Chuck Hagel Once Opposed Nominee Because He Was “Openly Aggressively Gay”

What a swell guy!
//

Slightly more recently:

“My comments 14 years ago in 1998 were insensitive. They do not reflect my views or the totality of my public record, and I apologize to Ambassador Hormel and any LGBT Americans who may question my commitment to their civil rights. I am fully supportive of ‘open service’ and committed to LGBT military families.”

re: #454 NJDhockeyfan

re: #446 blueraven

He never took back that statement or any of the other ones that are being questioned right now. The reason it's being brought up now is because he's a finalist for the top Pentagon position. Many politicians have been blasted on here for much less. Why is Hagel getting a pass?

Wrong. You didn't even search for a retraction, did you.

460 Gus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:58:15am
461 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:58:17am

re: #458 NJDhockeyfan

It's in all the major news websites, not just blogs.

You are being an ass. Put the shovel down.

462 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:58:23am

re: #459 wrenchwench

Slightly more recently:

re: #454 NJDhockeyfan

Wrong. You didn't even search for a retraction, did you.

Pwnage.

463 RadicalModerate  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:58:28am

Finally finished calming down a bit after the NRA presser, and really have only one question for Mr. LaPierre.

Which of the groups named - the "liberal media", videogames, mental health facilities, the film and music industries is responsible for this pro gun-violence rhetoric?

I'll be waiting on that answer.

464 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:58:29am

re: #433 calochortus

Anyone besides me notice that this statement from LaPierre:

(emphasis mine)

He doesn't even know who died. 20 kids and 6 adults. Not 26 kids. Words fail.

He doesn't care; the only thing important to him is keeping the flow of donations coming to pay his $1,000,000+ every year.

465 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 9:58:30am

re: #443 lawhawk

Tell me again how having police in schools (or shopping malls, supermarkets, etc., or Holocaust museum, or Capitol Hill) is a deterrent to a determined shooter?

Being on a military base wasn't a deterrent to the Ft. Hood gunman.

The armed security guards on campus weren't a deterrent to the Columbine killers.

Virginia Tech's armed campus police weren't a deterrent to the VT killer.

MOAR GUNZ and more armed guards aren't a cure-all. And a database of the mentally ill is problematic for a whole host of other reasons. But hey, at least the NRA is having a meaningful dialogue. ///

466 makeitstop  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:00:03am

re: #461 wrenchwench

You are being an ass. Put the shovel down.

They're going full-bore at a guy who hasn't even been nominated yet. What's up with that?

467 blueraven  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:00:20am

re: #449 HappyWarrior

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
A lot of them including good old Mr. Global Warming Denying, Jim DeMint and the lovely Family Research Council. I won't condone Hagel's actions with Hormel in the slightest but this is being presented as if Hagel alone worked to subvert the nomination because of Hormel's sexuality when in reality, the Republican leadership played a big role in that.

Again, it was 15 years ago...from the same article NJDhockeyfan posted

He voted in favor of a procedural vote on the 2004 constitutional amendment aimed at limiting marriage to one man and one woman, but opposed the marriage amendment in 2006.

UPDATE: Hagel didn't vote on the marriage amendment in 2004, though he voted in favor of a procedural motion to bring up the final vote.

People change. Views evolve.

468 calochortus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:01:44am

re: #466 makeitstop

They're going full-bore at a guy who hasn't even been nominated yet. What's up with that?

Worked on Susan Rice and her non-nomination.

469 allegro  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:01:47am

re: #457 Political Atheist

Yes in comments I am not going to link. Some of them are just about the cost.

You won't link them so we can't see in what context and what form of security is being objected to and why. It couldn't be that they just object to the idea of armed security guards at every school? Is this the hyperbole to which you object?

470 jaunte  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:02:05am

re: #460 Gus

NRA: The National School Shield

So, armed volunteers, "trained" by the NRA, patrolling school grounds. What could go wrong?

471 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:02:20am

re: #466 makeitstop

They're going full-bore at a guy who hasn't even been nominated yet. What's up with that?

A severe case of Black Guy In White House.

472 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:02:29am

re: #466 makeitstop

They're going full-bore at a guy who hasn't even been nominated yet. What's up with that?

They consider that 'winning'. Obstruction is all they have.

473 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:02:57am

re: #459 wrenchwench

Slightly more recently:

re: #454 NJDhockeyfan

Wrong. You didn't even search for a retraction, did you.

No I didn't. My company computer has that website blocked. Thanks for the link. I guess he 'evolved' on that. Has he retracted anything on the 'Jewish Lobby' comments?

474 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:03:19am

re: #470 jaunte

So, armed volunteers, "trained" by the NRA, patrolling school grounds. What could go wrong?

An in-school version of the Minutemen lunatics. What fun.

475 calochortus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:03:54am

re: #470 jaunte

So, armed volunteers, "trained" by the NRA, patrolling school grounds. What could go wrong?

"More Info Coming Soon"? Did I miss something on that website or are they backpedaling already?

476 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:04:34am

re: #466 makeitstop

They're going full-bore at a guy who hasn't even been nominated yet. What's up with that?

It worked for Susan Rice. They just shifted to a new target and started tossing out talking points for NJDHF to parrot.

477 Four More Tears  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:04:35am

re: #474 Lidane

An in-school version of the Minutemen lunatics. What fun.

Escalation is the answer, obviously...

478 jaunte  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:04:52am

re: #475 calochortus

There's a speech (pdf) by Asa Hutchinson with a supposed few details, but they're making it up as they go. There is no real plan.

479 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:05:21am

re: #475 calochortus

"More Info Coming Soon"? Did I miss something on that website or are they backpedaling already?

I looks to me like that the pilot page for a new initiative. This is what they've come up with.

Coincidentally, it will require donations to fund, and, even more coincidentally, will have lots of operational costs and salaries.

480 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:05:47am

re: #473 NJDhockeyfan

No I didn't. My company computer has that website blocked. Thanks for the link. I guess he 'evolved' on that. Has he retracted anything on the 'Jewish Lobby' comments?

Here, have a bigger shovel.

Image: backhoe-loader-20626-2725601.jpg

481 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:06:04am

re: #470 jaunte

So, armed volunteers, "trained" by the NRA, patrolling school grounds. What could go wrong?

And they piss and moan about the "culture of violence," yet somehow they don't equate armed guards at elementary school as having any effect on the psyche of the children.

482 Gus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:06:19am
483 Political Atheist  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:07:08am

re: #469 allegro

[Link: thehill.com...]

The National Rifle Association's (NRA) call for placing armed security guards in schools Friday was ridiculed by critics on Twitter as similar to the creation of the Transportation Security Administration (TSA).

When what we already have and want to continue looks like this...
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

484 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:07:09am
485 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:07:14am

re: #473 NJDhockeyfan

No I didn't. My company computer has that website blocked. Thanks for the link. I guess he 'evolved' on that. Has he retracted anything on the 'Jewish Lobby' comments?

Why don't you refrain from claiming a guy has not retracted a statement if you are unable to verify your information? I'm not going to do your obligation for you.

Quit being such an ass.

486 Gus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:07:30am
487 Political Atheist  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:08:16am

re: #469 allegro

You have seen my posts about increasing gun regulations, I hope? So you don't think I'm all in with just security?

488 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:08:35am

re: #486 Gus

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I saw that too. But what does he know, he actually knows Hagel.

489 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:09:08am

re: #465 Lidane

The USSS wasn't a deterrent for Hinckley attempting to assassinate President Reagan. And the USSS had all manner of firearms at their disposal.

And since the Reagan assassination attempt, metal detectors are part and parcel of the security plan to keep guns out of the perimeter. It's meant to be a gun-free zone to everyone but the presidential detail. Same goes for Capitol Hill.

490 b_sharp  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:10:50am

I thought one of the defining traits of the conservative was the desire to preserve the status quo so is less likely to change world views, whereas a liberal (progressive) embraces change so is more likely to modify world view.

During a 15 year time frame which of the two is most likely to modify his belief that being gay is a problem?

491 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:12:09am

re: #454 NJDhockeyfan

He never took back that statement or any of the other ones that are being questioned right now

Now you're just lying. Just straight up lying.

Pathetic.

492 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:12:29am

re: #485 wrenchwench

Why don't you refrain from claiming a guy has not retracted a statement if you are unable to verify your information? I'm not going to do your obligation for you.

Quit being such an ass.

Can't find it. Show me where it is.

[Link: www.google.com...]

493 darthstar  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:12:46am

It took Sarah Palin five shots to hit a caribou so drugged up it didn't run at the sound of the shots or bullets hitting the rocks around it. Do we really want people like her carrying guns in schools to protect kids?

494 calochortus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:13:04am

re: #478 jaunte

re: #479 The Ghost of a Flea

I don't see a link to a pdf or anything else-just a request for your name and contact info so they can send stuff to you. Like I want to get on their email list...
I fail to be surprised that they actually got nothin'.

495 leftynyc  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:13:26am

re: #446 blueraven

You are bringing up stuff from 15 years ago. How many republicans at that time did the same?

They all likely did the same which is an excellent reason not to consider anyone from that party who has this kind of thing around.

496 b_sharp  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:13:28am

re: #493 darthstar

It took Sarah Palin five shots to hit a caribou so drugged up it didn't run at the sound of the shots or bullets hitting the rocks around it. Do we really want people like her carrying guns in schools to protect kids?

It didn't run away?

497 b_sharp  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:14:06am

Earn more shares by sleaving.

498 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:14:11am

re: #496 b_sharp

It didn't run away?

Guessing it was doped up for her "show."

499 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:14:34am

re: #492 NJDhockeyfan

Can't find it. Show me where it is.

[Link: www.google.com...]

If you can't verify your claim, why should I do it for you?

Ass.

500 jaunte  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:14:58am

re: #494 calochortus

It's the blue button beside Asa Hutchinson's picture that says 'speech transcript.'

501 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:15:16am
502 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:15:49am

re: #492 NJDhockeyfan

You realize how completely fucking transparent you are, right? You're suddenly shocked at opposition to gay people when the entire GOP is an anti-gay bigotry machine, when the party plank of the GOP is bigotry towards gay people. Butter wouldn't melt in your mouth.

Goddamn pathetic.

503 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:16:25am
504 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:16:26am

WEll, we are all still here.

Although Chicagoland is trying to freeze-dry itself.

505 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:16:41am

re: #493 darthstar

It took Sarah Palin five shots to hit a caribou so drugged up it didn't run at the sound of the shots or bullets hitting the rocks around it. Do we really want people like her carrying guns in schools to protect kids?

She's not mentally ill.

She gets her head demons driven out at an apostolic church of a regular basis, and don't taking no namby-pamby doctor pills and certainly doesn't do talk therapy: that's too unmanly even for a hockey mom.

Therefore nothing could possibly go wrong.

506 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:17:23am

MOAR GUNZ! That'll fix everything!

507 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:17:30am

One more drive-by: You know that WaPo page with the transcript? Notice how the stills they used from the videos show LaPierre pointing at a weeping Newtown grandmother.

As a graphic designer I can guarantee you that the juxtaposition wasn't accidental. It's a pointed visual reference to how utterly tone deaf & self-serving the NRA comes across in the wake of the deaths of so many precious children.

Okay, going back out. BBL

508 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:17:39am

re: #499 wrenchwench

If you can't verify your claim, why should I do it for you?

Ass.

I think it's verified as much as it can be. There is nothing out there about him apologizing or taking back his 'Jewish Lobby' comment. He's an ass.

509 Gus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:18:51am

re: #499 wrenchwench

If you can't verify your claim, why should I do it for you?

Ass.

You know what's weird? The response from lobbying groups sort of proves Hagel's point. //

510 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:19:15am

re: #501 Lidane

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98K Public Schools in this country.

98K x (salary +benefits + uniforms + firearms continued education + liability insurance) = Another somewhat logical, but not sound, solution.

511 calochortus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:19:30am

re: #500 jaunte

Ah, thanks. I didn't scroll down to see it.

512 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:20:11am

re: #508 NJDhockeyfan

I'm Jewish. It's really fucking tiresome to have non-Jews like you using Jews and Israel as a proxy for your own politics. You have no fucking clue how maddening it is to see Jews and Jewish issues just used as a convenient weapon against whoever the fuck it is you're trying to denigrate because they're working with Obama or whatever.

It is amazing that you think that it's not obvious, too.

513 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:20:16am

re: #496 b_sharp

It didn't run away?

Well, I've seen an undrugged white tail deer just stand in the open and look around puzzled while I missed it three times at about 100m. Really made me question my marksmanship and how well the rifle scope was set. Have seen that same behavior with other animals as well - the noise disturbs them, but they don't detect it as a direct threat sometimes until something like a near miss spatters them with dirt.

514 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:20:31am

re: #510 Holidays are Family Fun Time

98K Public Schools in this country.

98K x (salary +benefits + uniforms + firearms continued education + liability insurance) = Another somewhat logical, but not sound, solution.

Department of Schoolyard Security. Because what this country needs right now is another bloated federal bureaucracy.

515 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:20:42am

re: #510 Holidays are Family Fun Time

98K Public Schools in this country.

98K x (salary +benefits + uniforms + firearms continued education + liability insurance) = Another somewhat logical, but not sound, solution.

Oh, did I add lawsuits and public relations costs?

516 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:22:02am

We will continue to argue of what everyone thinks is the ideal solution and not have a national discussion about what is possible.

517 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:22:11am

re: #513 Feline Fearless Leader

Well, I've seen an undrugged white tail deer just stand in the open and look around puzzled while I missed it three times at about 100m. Really made me question my marksmanship and how well the rifle scope was set. Have seen that same behavior with other animals as well - the noise disturbs them, but they don't detect it as a direct threat sometimes until something like a near missnear hit spatters them with dirt.

A hit is a near miss. If 2 planes collide in the air "oh look, they nearly missed."

//Carlin

518 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:22:45am

[Link: www.theatlantic.com...]
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
Here's what I've found Re:Hagel.

519 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:22:55am

re: #502 Obdicut

You realize how completely fucking transparent you are, right? You're suddenly shocked at opposition to gay people when the entire GOP is an anti-gay bigotry machine, when the party plank of the GOP is bigotry towards gay people. Butter wouldn't melt in your mouth.

Goddamn pathetic.

I am not an anti-gay bigot. Never have been. I have posted stories about assholes who were exposed in the past and there was general outrage of some sort here. Why this guy is getting a pass right now I don't know.

520 RadicalModerate  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:24:04am

re: #474 Lidane

An in-school version of the Minutemen lunatics. What fun.

Speaking of which - I decided to do a bit of further digging on the story of the Arizona GOP nutcase who went on Iranian Press TV earlier this week claiming that the Newtown, CT as well as this summer's Aurora, CO shooting were all perpetrated and executed by Israel.

Turns out that Micheal Harris has a rather...interesting group of people who he chooses to associate with.
From August 25, 2009 Phoenix NewTimes weekly newspaper:
Neo-Nazi J.T. Ready, Republican Mike Harris, Nativist Craig Tillman, and Scores More Nuts Star in Video from Obama's VFW Visit

Behind [now-dead neo-nazi murderer J.T.] Ready in a suit and tie is none other than Republican Mike Harris, an also-ran in the 2006 GOP gubernatorial primary against Len Munsil. Harris, who is best known for sinking $100K of his own money into his campaign after convincing a judge to cut his child support payments in half (this, according to an Arizona Daily Star report at the time), is carrying a placard that reads, "No Marxist Coup."

After Ready's finished, he repeats Ready's racist slur "Obongo," and goes on a tirade that outpaces most local nativists I've heard on the same subject.

"Let's first of all clear up some misconceptions," says Harris. "We are not a nation of immigrants. I am the seventh generation born in this country. I did not emigrate from anywhere. This young man is the eighth generation born in this country. We did not emigrate from anywhere. We built this country."

In the referenced article, there is a photo of Ready and Harris standing together during the protest.

521 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:24:12am

re: #519 NJDhockeyfan

I am not an anti-gay bigot. Never have been. I have posted stories about assholes who were exposed in the past and there was general outrage of some sort here. Why this guy is getting a pass right now I don't know.

Cue goal-post shift and yells of victimhood.
:p

522 Gus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:25:01am

The Chuck Hagel Controversy - Jeffrey Goldberg - The Atlantic

Goldblog wasn't planning on covering the controversy surrounding the so-far theoretical nomination of Chuck Hagel to be secretary of defense, because it is, after all, theoretical, and because I think the situation is much more complex than both right and left think believe it to be, and who wants to get into it right now? I'm into enough at the moment.

But then I received an email being circulated among Jewish liberals who support Hagel, and it provoked me to think through some of the deeper issues here. The point of the aforementioned e-mail was to argue that Hagel is, in fact, "pro-Israel," and it provides a list of the various times he's voted for this or that on behalf of Israel in the Senate. "Senator Hagel cosponsored the Palestinian Anti-Terrorism Act of 2006," for instance. "The bill, which became US law, declared it U.S. policy to oppose organizations such as Hamas and Hezbollah..." And so on.

What struck me as unusual about the list is that it was framed as a response to right-wing criticism. It did not advance arguments you would expect to hear from the Left, but tried to mollify the Right. It contained nothing like, "Hagel is adamant in his support for a settlement freeze," or somesuch; the letter was designed to say, in effect, "Don't worry, Hagel is actually closer ideologically to Lindsey Graham than you think."

About Hagel himself, I have mixed feelings: He is a patriot, and a smart and pleasant man (I've met him on a couple of occasions) and if he's anti-Semitic, he went about hiding this from me pretty well.

Continues.

523 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:25:08am

re: #514 Ghost of Tom Joad

Department of Schoolyard Security. Because what this country needs right now is another bloated federal bureaucracy.

Corrections Corporation of America would be glad to help you streamline federal involvement down to writing a big check, and several slightly smaller checks for unexpected expenses, and some legislation that shields them from liability....

524 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:25:58am

I think Hagel's comment about the Jewish lobby was assholic and dumb. I don't think it's the most important thing in the world and I don't see any evidence in anything else he's ever said and done that he's anti-semitic. He aligned himself heavily against the neocons and a lot of what is presented as anti-Israel is anti-Neocon on his part.

He's not being made vice-potentate of Israel. He's possibly going to be defense secretary, where he has to follow what Obama tells him to do. We can already see this in that he changed his position on being adamantly against any strike on Iran, to cautiously endorsing it under some circumstances.

Trying to judge the dude on saying "Jewish lobby" once and saying that he's not an Israeli senator once-- that's fucking ridiculous. Is he an ideal candidate? No. Is anyone? No. Is he going to betray Israel and arm Hamas? Of course fucking not.

525 jaunte  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:26:07am

re: #522 Gus

More crap obstructionism. It's the only move available.

526 blueraven  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:26:24am

re: #495 leftynyc

They all likely did the same which is an excellent reason not to consider anyone from that party who has this kind of thing around.

The Human Rights Campaign has accepted his recent statement as good enough for them.

"My comments 14 years ago in 1998 were insensitive," Hagel said in a statement. "They do not reflect my views or the totality of my public record, and I apologize to Ambassador Hormel and any LGBT Americans who may question my commitment to their civil rights. I am fully supportive of 'open service' and committed to LGBT military families."

527 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:26:28am

re: #519 NJDhockeyfan

I am not an anti-gay bigot. Never have been.

As I said, butter wouldn't melt in your mouth.

528 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:26:31am

re: #524 Obdicut

I think Hagel's comment about the Jewish lobby was assholic and dumb. I don't think it's the most important thing in the world and I don't see any evidence in anything else he's ever said and done that he's anti-semitic. He aligned himself heavily against the neocons and a lot of what is presented as anti-Israel is anti-Neocon on his part.

He's not being made vice-potentate of Israel. He's possibly going to be defense secretary, where he has to follow what Obama tells him to do. We can already see this in that he changed his position on being adamantly against any strike on Iran, to cautiously endorsing it under some circumstances.

Trying to judge the dude on saying "Jewish lobby" once and saying that he's not an Israeli senator once-- that's fucking ridiculous. Is he an ideal candidate? No. Is anyone? No. Is he going to betray Israel and arm Hamas? Of course fucking not.

Thank you.

529 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:26:49am

re: #518 HappyWarrior

[Link: www.theatlantic.com...]
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
Here's what I've found Re:Hagel.

.....What the hell is being discussed here? Is it just that one statement made by Hagel about the lobby? If that's it, then somebody needs a severe ass-kicking. It's totally innocuous and also correct.

530 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:27:08am

re: #512 Obdicut

I'm Jewish. It's really fucking tiresome to have non-Jews like you using Jews and Israel as a proxy for your own politics. You have no fucking clue how maddening it is to see Jews and Jewish issues just used as a convenient weapon against whoever the fuck it is you're trying to denigrate because they're working with Obama or whatever.

It is amazing that you think that it's not obvious, too.

That's bullshit. I have never done anything like that here. Go back and check. I consider you a friend on here and I know we disagree on a lot of things but that's personal attack is out of line.

531 leftynyc  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:27:16am

re: #519 NJDhockeyfan

I am not an anti-gay bigot. Never have been. I have posted stories about assholes who were exposed in the past and there was general outrage of some sort here. Why this guy is getting a pass right now I don't know.

Now you're just whining. I doubt there's a person on this board you could get to believe that if this nomination was coming from a pub president that you would be standing up defending the Jews and the gays.

532 Kragar  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:27:27am

Bradlee Dean Suggests Sandy Hook was a Government Plot

Bradlee Dean, whose close ties to Rep. Michele Bachmann are well-known and well-established, published a column in WND (Rick Santorum's new home) suggesting that, just as the Nazis burned the Reichstag, the shootings at Sandy Hook and in Aurora, Colorado were orchestrated by the government:

Addendum:

It turns out that not only was the government behind these two shootings, but also Columbine, Ruby Ridge, Waco, the Oklahoma City bombing, and 9/11, according to this new video produced and narrated by Dean:

533 jaunte  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:28:15am

re: #529 Ghost of Tom Joad

Anything Obama does (or is even rumored to be thinking of doing) must be opposed by the reactionary right. It's pretty simple.

534 Gus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:28:18am

re: #525 jaunte

More crap obstructionism. It's the only move available.

I guess we've learned something here. Never be critical about Israeli lobbying groups otherwise you'll be cast as being antisemitic. Sit down, shut up, and let them do whatever they want because that's how a democracy operates. //

535 blueraven  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:29:06am

re: #519 NJDhockeyfan

I am not an anti-gay bigot. Never have been. I have posted stories about assholes who were exposed in the past and there was general outrage of some sort here. Why this guy is getting a pass right now I don't know.

Because it is not right now

It was 15 years ago. How many parents, politicians, brothers and sisters have changed their position in 15 years?
Do we hold it against them forever?

536 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:29:06am

re: #530 NJDhockeyfan

That's bullshit. I have never done anything like that here. Go back and check. I consider you a friend on here and I know we disagree on a lot of things but that's personal attack is out of line.

You do it all the fucking time. Don't consider me a friend. I'm not. Over and fucking over I have tried to engage with you in reasonable discussion and every fucking time you simply ignored it. You lost that chance a long fucking time ago.

Do not try to use Jews and Jewish issues as a proxy for your own politics. It is not going to work. That reed has been leaned on too heavily.

537 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:29:11am

I'm going to continue my (what seems never ending) quest to finish Democracy in America by Alexis de Tocqueville

I may not be back until I finish it.

Have a good one all!

538 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:30:13am

re: #537 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Great book, well-worth reading.

I recommend following it immediately with some Twain, preferably Roughing It.

539 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:30:48am

re: #537 Holidays are Family Fun Time

I'm going to continue my (what seems never ending) quest to finish Democracy in America by Alexis de Tocqueville

I may not be back until I finish it.

Have a good one all!

Oldie but goodie. I'm finally reading The Great Gatsby after all these years.

540 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:31:46am

re: #538 Obdicut

Great book, well-worth reading.

I recommend following it immediately with some Twain, preferably Roughing It.

Reminds me that I need to borrow the updated Twain autobiography from my brother.

541 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:31:58am

re: #534 Gus

I guess we've learned something here. Never be critical about Israeli lobbying groups otherwise you'll be case as being antisemitic. Sit down, shut up, and let them do whatever they want because that's how a democracy operates. //

It's the same shit with everything else. If you're against the NRA, you're against FREEDOM! If you're against outlandish defense spending, you hate America and want the terrorists to win!

542 Kragar  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:35:51am

The 10 Craziest Quotes From The NRA Press Conference

1) Gun-free schools zones “tell every insane killer in America that schools are their safest place to inflict maximum mayhem with minimum risk.”

2) “There exists in this country a callous, corrupt and corrupting shadow industry that sells, and sows, violence against its own people.

3) “[V]iolent crime is increasing again for the first time in 19 years! Add another hurricane, terrorist attack or some other natural or man-made disaster, and you’ve got a recipe for a national nightmare of violence and victimization.”

4) “We need to have every single school in America immediately deploy a protection program proven to work —and by that I mean armed security.”

5) “The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Would you rather have your 911 call bring a good guy with a gun from a mile away … or a minute away?”

6) “And throughout it all, too many in our national media … their corporate owners … and their stockholders … act as silent enablers, if not complicit co-conspirators.”

7) “Then there’s the blood-soaked slasher films like ‘American Psycho’ and ‘Natural Born Killers’ that are aired like propaganda loops on Splatterdays and every day, and a thousand music videos that portray life as a joke and murder as a way of life.”

8) “In a race to the bottom, media conglomerates compete with one another to shock, violate and offend every standard of civilized society by bringing an ever-more-toxic mix of reckless behavior and criminal cruelty into our homes — every minute of every day of every month of every year.”

9) “Through vicious, violent video games with names like Bulletstorm, Grand Theft Auto, Mortal Kombat and Splatterhouse. And here’s one: it’s called Kindergarten Killers. It’s been online for 10 years. How come my research department could find it and all of yours either couldn’t or didn’t want anyone to know you had found it?”

10) “Isn’t fantasizing about killing people as a way to get your kicks really the filthiest form of pornography?”

543 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:37:21am

re: #536 Obdicut

Don't consider me a friend. I'm not.

That's too bad. I consider most people on here my friends. Sorry you feel that way.

Do not try to use Jews and Jewish issues as a proxy for your own politics. It is not going to work. That reed has been leaned on too heavily.

I never have and never will. I have always supported Israel and the Jewish people with respect. I have never use them as a 'proxy' for political reasons. That's fucking absurd. Please don't place me with the scum that does.

544 TedStriker  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:37:22am

re: #446 blueraven

You are bringing up stuff from 15 years ago. How many republicans at that time did the same?

How many Republicans still do?

Quite a few.

545 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:38:08am

re: #541 Ghost of Tom Joad

It's the same shit with everything else. If you're against the NRA, you're against FREEDOM! If you're against outlandish defense spending, you hate America and want the terrorists to win!

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546 Gus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:38:38am

re: #541 Ghost of Tom Joad

It's the same shit with everything else. If you're against the NRA, you're against FREEDOM! If you're against outlandish defense spending, you hate America and want the terrorists to win!

I like J Street. The far left thinks they're a bunch of right wing loons and the right wingers thinks they're a bunch of left wing loons. They're left of center.

547 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:41:26am

re: #542 Kragar

The 10 Craziest Quotes From The NRA Press Conference

American Psycho is a slasher film? But yeah they're clueless.

548 Gus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:41:53am

John Kerry has been officially nominated as SoS.

549 RadicalModerate  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:42:29am

Obama speaking now - Sen. John Kerry's nomination for Sec. of State is official.

550 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:42:40am

re: #548 Gus

John Kerry has been officially nominated as SoS.

Good decision even if we all are going to be annoyed like crazy by the special election that will happen in MA.

551 ProMayaLiberal  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:43:11am

re: #548 Gus

:Facepalm:

Meanwhile, the Prime Minister of Italy has resigned.

552 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:45:02am

More details about the PA shooting emerging, and it seems to be tailor made for a full-on rebuttal of every idiotic talking point spouted off by the right wing/Bryan Fischer troglodytes.

Apparently started in a church. Three people were killed (the gunman was killed and is the 4th dead). Three police officers injured, including one shot and saved by bullet proof vest.

553 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:47:33am

re: #552 lawhawk

More details about the PA shooting emerging, and it seems to be tailor made for a full-on rebuttal of every idiotic talking point spouted off by the right wing/Bryan Fischer troglodytes.

Apparently started in a church. Three people were killed (the gunman was killed and is the 4th dead). Three police officers injured, including one shot and saved by bullet proof vest.

This with what happened in Ct plus all the school shooting threats the past week have me very concerned with what we are looking at in the near future.

554 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:47:42am

re: #542 Kragar

Funny, he seems to want to limit many other freedoms people have just so he can keep making money off of guns.

Let's see what he wants to limit:
Media
Film Industry
Video Game Industry
Freedom from living under militaristic rule
Personal liberty (mental health)

Violent crime is increasing? Hmm, I wonder what tools are being used to perpetrate those crimes?

You could easily solve all his phony problems by limiting access to military-grade hardware and handguns. Seems much simpler.

555 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:48:02am

re: #548 Gus

John Kerry has been officially nominated as SoS.

Cue the Purple Heart band-aids and the Swiftboat assholes making another appearance in 3...2...1...

556 Kragar  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:48:20am

re: #549 RadicalModerate

Obama speaking now - Sen. John Kerry's nomination for Sec. of State is official.

THE MAYANS WERE RIGHT!!!!

557 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:48:46am

re: #552 lawhawk

More details about the PA shooting emerging, and it seems to be tailor made for a full-on rebuttal of every idiotic talking point spouted off by the right wing/Bryan Fischer troglodytes.

Apparently started in a church. Three people were killed (the gunman was killed and is the 4th dead). Three police officers injured, including one shot and saved by bullet proof vest.

Not enough God in the church apparently. He was probably out Christmas shopping for an Uzi.

558 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:48:53am

re: #553 NJDhockeyfan

This with what happened in Ct plus all the school shooting threats the past week have me very concerned with what we are looking at in the near future.

I'm sure MOAR GUNZ will solve the problem.

559 Kragar  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:49:48am

re: #552 lawhawk

More details about the PA shooting emerging, and it seems to be tailor made for a full-on rebuttal of every idiotic talking point spouted off by the right wing/Bryan Fischer troglodytes.

Apparently started in a church. Three people were killed (the gunman was killed and is the 4th dead). Three police officers injured, including one shot and saved by bullet proof vest.

So God decided not to show up at that Church and the congregation decided not to bring an arsenal with them to church?

560 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:49:48am

re: #555 Lidane

Cue the Purple Heart band-aids and the Swiftboat assholes making another appearance in 3...2...1...

Yeah. Sigh.

561 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:50:00am

re: #557 Ghost of Tom Joad

Not enough God in the church apparently. He was probably out Christmas shopping for an Uzi.

Probably one of the heretic groups that prays about forgiving debts instead of trespasses. Free Market Jesus smash.

562 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:50:36am

re: #543 NJDhockeyfan

I completely stand by what I said. Every time I see you saying anything about Jews, it's always being used as an attack on those whose politics you disagree with.

And if you really considered yourself my friend, you would have actually engaged me in conversation the zillion times I tried to start one with you, rather than ignoring it and walking away. So stop bullshitting yourself.

563 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:51:01am

re: #558 Lidane

I'm sure MOAR GUNZ will solve the problem.

Have to arm the clergy now.

"Have you tithted today (click-click sound of glock being cocked), my son?"

564 Gus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:51:12am

re: #550 HappyWarrior

Good decision even if we all are going to be annoyed like crazy by the special election that will happen in MA.

I was never worried about a special election. Just losing Kerry in the Senate. I can't control these things though so I'm not worried. :D

565 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:51:45am

re: #554 Ghost of Tom Joad

Funny, he seems to want to limit many other freedoms people have just so he can keep making money off of guns.

Let's see what he wants to limit:
Media
Film Industry
Video Game Industry
Freedom from living under militaristic rule
Personal liberty (mental health)

Violent crime is increasing? Hmm, I wonder what tools are being used to perpetrate those crimes?

You could easily solve all his phony problems by limiting access to military-grade hardware and handguns. Seems much simpler.

Yeah but if you do what you're proposing, Wayne and the NRA will get a sad. And we don't want that. Honestly, I think it's hilarious how they bring up movies and video games from the 90's. Anything to distract from their precious guns getting focus I guess. And I'm also as someone on the autistic spectrum sick of it being suggested that it's only people with mental disorders that do this kind of crap. It just feels like the worst kind of scapegoating and after seeing that Maggie Gallagher article yesterday, that feeling is reaffirmed.

566 RadicalModerate  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:52:10am

re: #555 Lidane

Cue the Purple Heart band-aids and the Swiftboat assholes making another appearance in 3...2...1...

I fully expect to see the Swiftboaters to be front-and-center during Kerry's Senate confirmation testimony. I also don't put it past Senate Republicans to not stonewall his confirmation for as long as humanly possible.

567 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:53:09am

re: #564 Gus

I was never worried about a special election. Just losing Kerry in the Senate. I can't control these things though so I'm not worried. :D

Ha, true enough. The Senate's loss is the State Department's gain. Hopefully, I'm calling Kerry boss if I can ever get in there.

568 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:53:26am

re: #543 NJDhockeyfan

Try not to take it personally.

569 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:53:36am

re: #561 The Ghost of a Flea

Probably one of the heretic groups that prays about forgiving debts instead of trespasses. Free Market Jesus smash.

Was it the Unitarians that one whacko shot at?

570 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:54:02am

re: #559 Kragar

So God decided not to show up at that Church and the congregation decided not to bring an arsenal with them to church?

Well, we all know God doesn't go where he isn't wanted.

///

571 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:54:41am

re: #542 Kragar

He could have saved himself the trouble and blamed Quentin Tarantino* personally for all violence. Ever.

*Quentin wrote NBK, which was directed by Oliver Stone. And if anything, NBK isn't a glorification of guns and gun culture or murder, but a critique of it. It's a reflection of what's wrong with society.

572 Gus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:55:36am

re: #567 HappyWarrior

Ha, true enough. The Senate's loss is the State Department's gain. Hopefully, I'm calling Kerry boss if I can ever get in there.

Trying to get a job at State?

573 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:55:41am

And there's a facebook page. "Cure Asperger's, save children from psychokillers." Agh just fuckin' agh man.

574 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:55:55am
575 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:56:10am

re: #572 Gus

Trying to get a job at State?

Yeah. Federal government as a whole actually.

576 Gus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:56:58am

re: #575 HappyWarrior

Yeah. Federal government as a whole actually.

Good luck.

577 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:57:02am

re: #574 Lidane

[Embedded content]

'Tis the ghost of election's past :). Hard to believe that was eight years ago.

578 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:57:14am

re: #576 Gus

Good luck.

Thanks man.

579 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:57:25am

re: #565 HappyWarrior

Yeah, retreading the 90s was pretty funny. Music videos...they still make those things? It's like he dusted off the playbook they used for the Assault Weapons Ban and just read from it verbatum.

580 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:57:29am

Laser-like focus on jobs and the economy!

581 Gus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:58:08am

re: #580 Lidane

Laser-like focus on jobs and the economy!

[Embedded content]

God only knows? Mah head hurts.

582 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 10:59:23am

re: #579 Ghost of Tom Joad

Yeah, retreading the 90s was pretty funny. Music videos...they still make those things? It's like he dusted off the playbook they used for the Assault Weapons Ban and just read from it verbatum.

Yeah pretty much. I have been watching a little bit of Beavis and Butthead lately tho.

583 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:00:07am
584 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:00:25am

re: #562 Obdicut

I completely stand by what I said. Every time I see you saying anything about Jews, it's always being used as an attack on those whose politics you disagree with.

I have no idea what you are talking about.Look back and see if you can find one time I used Jews to attack anyone's political idea. I would never do that to anyone.

And if you really considered yourself my friend, you would have actually engaged me in conversation the zillion times I tried to start one with you, rather than ignoring it and walking away. So stop bullshitting yourself.

I'm so sorry you feel that way. I look at LGF as a great blog on the internet where we have fun debating one another. If you have personal feelings about me that's your business. I won't go that far with anyone here.

585 Apeman  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:01:17am

re: #542 Kragar

The 10 Craziest Quotes From The NRA Press Conference

10) “Isn’t fantasizing about killing people as a way to get your kicks really the filthiest form of pornography?”

How is this not ironic?

586 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:03:01am

Newtown Congressman calls NRA statement “revolting”

Walking out of another funeral and was handed the NRA transcript. The most revolting, tone deaf statement I've ever seen.
— Chris Murphy (@ChrisMurphyCT) December 21, 2012

587 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:03:13am

So I see that I missed absolutely nothing of note in the NRA speech. Can't say as I see the logic behind leading off the one-week anniversary of such a tragedy by whining about being victimized, blaming everybody but guns, and then declaring that guns can't be put on a list but crazy folks can.

Congrats, NRA, you played exactly to the stereotype, step for step. Have a cookie.

588 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:03:15am

re: #584 NJDhockeyfan

If you think we have fun debating each other, how come you never, ever respond to me when you ask one of your po-faced questions and I give you a long, detailed answer, and then ask you if you understand?

You don't debate. You're not a debater. You drop off your talking points and you normally don't even know enough about them to defend them.

You might be an incredibly wonderful dude in 'real life'. You might spend your days saving orphans from packs of wild dogs and delivering free condoms to gay monasteries who have been cut off by snow. I have no judgement of you as a person.

But your behavior on LGF I do find transparently stupid.

589 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:04:05am

re: #553 NJDhockeyfan

I disagree. We've been having these events (mass killings involving 4 or more dead) every two weeks for decades on end. Newtown was particularly shocking because it was mostly a bunch of kindergarten kids who were murdered.

That a bunch of adults are murdered on a periodic basis - and with frightening regularity - is lost on the NRA.

I'm waiting to see what law enforcement has to say about the NRA position. I'm sure they'll have some interesting observations/comments about that.

NAPO already seems to be against whatever it was that the NRA proffered.

590 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:04:20am

Good question:

591 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:04:58am
592 Gus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:05:13am

Kwa, kwa.

593 TedStriker  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:06:31am

re: #542 Kragar

The 10 Craziest Quotes From The NRA Press Conference

Hrmmm:

9) “Through vicious, violent video games with names like Bulletstorm, Grand Theft Auto, Mortal Kombat and Splatterhouse. And here’s one: it’s called Kindergarten Killers. It’s been online for 10 years. How come my research department could find it and all of yours either couldn’t or didn’t want anyone to know you had found it?”

10) “Isn’t fantasizing about killing people as a way to get your kicks really the filthiest form of pornography?”

I didn't watch the presser, because I like my brain cells, but I don't see any mention of games such as any of the Call of Duty, Medal of Honor, or Battlefield series games (which is germane, since CoD: Black Ops 2 is out right now and has put up some serious sales numbers since launch; I know, because I bought and play it myself).

If not, he didn't say anything about them, because those are "good" games, because they tend to glorify the military and military hardware, right?

/LaPierre is a lying hypocrite

594 Gus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:06:48am
595 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:06:56am

It seems to me reading the NRA's statement that they want to push this as "Good guys with guns will solve this problem and it's the media's fault that we have violence." I'm sorry but you can't blame video games, music, and movies for these shootings. You just can't. Canadian and European children watch these same videos, play these same games, and listen to the same music. And yet they don't have so much as a fraction of the gun deaths we do. The elephant in the room here frankly is guns. It shouldn't be absurdly easy to get a gun. It just shouldn't. I think I've read about how in some states that it's easier to get a gun than it is a car.

596 blueraven  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:09:14am

Ed Rendell on LaPierre - This guy is whack

597 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:09:20am

re: #589 lawhawk

After last Friday I think about the safety of my kids every day while they are in school. I wish I didn't have to do that but that shooting really hit me hard last week.

598 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:11:05am

Mental health break:

599 blueraven  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:11:32am

re: #597 NJDhockeyfan

After last Friday I think about the safety of my kids every day while they are in school. I wish I didn't have to do that but that shooting really hit me hard last week.

So you are for some sensible gun/ammo restrictions?

I know the feeling. My kids were in elementary during Columbine. It is awful and every parent has to deal with it.

600 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:11:34am

I am going to work now. Have a great holiday everyone! I am switching to Verizon from AT&T this weekend. If I get a signal at my house I may stop by from my new iPhone 5 :)

601 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:12:23am

re: #593 TedStriker

Bulletstorm, Grand Theft Auto, Mortal Kombat and Splatterhouse. And here’s one: it’s called Kindergarten Killers.

Granted that GTA and Mortal Kombat are longstanding and old reliable names, Kindergarten killers was a flash app on newgrounds that may have been seen by a few people when it was first released a decade ago, but it's not relavent to anyone now.

I've posted this link before, but despite playing more video games than the US, the Dutch and South Koreans don't have nearly the firearms homicides we have here in the US. There's no correlation between video games and gun violence. If there was, there'd be some relationship between the amount of violence and how much is spent on video games.

No such link can be found.

602 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:14:35am

re: #599 blueraven

So you are for some sensible gun/ammo restrictions?

Of course. I have no problem with that at all.

I know the feeling. My kids were in elementary during Columbine. It is awful and every parent has to deal with it.

I didn't connect to Columbine very much because I didn't have kids. I think people with kids are more emotional about the shootings for some reason. At least it was that way for me. There is more of a connection now.

603 Lidane  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:15:13am
604 blueraven  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:15:36am

re: #602 NJDhockeyfan

Of course. I have no problem with that at all.

I didn't connect to Columbine very much because I didn't have kids. I think people with kids are more emotional about the shootings for some reason. At least it was that way for me. There is more of a connection now.

It never goes away. Now I worry about my kids at the movies or at the mall.

605 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:15:49am

re: #602 NJDhockeyfan

Of course. I have no problem with that at all.

I didn't connect to Columbine very much because I didn't have kids. I think people with kids are more emotional about the shootings for some reason. At least it was that way for me. There is more of a connection now.

Easier to project themselves as being the ones losing their children and realizing what an impact that would have in their lives would be my guess.

606 Gus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:16:55am
607 Gus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:17:23am

The expansion of the security state and militarization of society continues apace. //

608 A Mom Anon  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:17:24am

re: #573 HappyWarrior

Oh FFS. Damn it. I hope my kid doesn't run across that one. WTF? I think this sort of horribly hateful response qualifies as it's own form of mental illness.

I keep telling myself that most people aren't assholes, we just notice the assholes more because they are more obvious and obnoxious.

609 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:17:57am

re: #608 A Mom Anon

Oh FFS. Damn it. I hope my kid doesn't run across that one. WTF? I think this sort of horribly hateful response qualifies as it's own form of mental illness.

I keep telling myself that most people aren't assholes, we just notice the assholes more because they are more obvious and obnoxious.

I reported it.

610 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:18:37am

re: #604 blueraven

It never goes away. Now I worry about my kids at the movies or the mall.

It got me this morning when I was working out at the 92nd street Y. There was a kids basketball class going on in the main gym and they were just such little balls of energy happily bouncing off each other and running around and making wild throws that missed the baskets by a mile.

Security was a lot tighter than it normally is, too. Usually the guards wave me past when they see me in my gym shorts and t-shirt, but this time they looked at my ID, looked me over, and were searching everyone's bags. I assume this is in response to the shooting. That place is always full of kids.

611 Gus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:20:11am
612 Kragar  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:21:09am

In an office full of former Marines, Navy and one Air Force veteran, not a single one has argued the solution is more guns.

613 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:22:49am

re: #612 Kragar

In an office full of former Marines, Navy and one Air Force veteran, not a single one has argued the solution is more guns.

The vast majority of police officers I know would prefer that private citizens not be able to own handguns, at all.

614 erik_t  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:22:55am

re: #612 Kragar

In an office full of former Marines, Navy and one Air Force veteran, not a single one has argued the solution is more guns.

That's because an office full of former Marines, Navy and Air Force veterans is full of people who are familiar with what guns are, what they do, and how they work, but are not financially invested in selling moar guns.

615 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:23:27am

re: #612 Kragar

In an office full of former Marines, Navy and one Air Force veteran, not a single one has argued the solution is more guns.

I'm not surprised.

616 Kragar  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:26:40am

re: #613 Obdicut

The vast majority of police officers I know would prefer that private citizens not be able to own handguns, at all.

The general consensus here is people can and should be allowed to own firearms, but military style weapons need to be banned completely, and ownership of a firearm needs to require annual refresher training, plus screenings to establish mental and emotional stability to retain ownership, preferably done by locally run, government sponsored "well regulated militias"

617 Gus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:28:07am

America doesn't need another TSA like agency guarding our schools. Enough already with big government solutions. :D

618 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:28:13am

re: #616 Kragar

The general consensus here is people can and should be allowed to own firearms, but military style weapons need to be banned completely, and ownership of a firearm needs to require annual refresher training, plus screenings to establish mental and emotional stability to retain ownership, preferably done by locally run, government sponsored "well regulated militias"

All things the NRA will fight tooth and nail against, because the fewer guns and gun owners, the fewer rubes they can swindle.

619 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:28:55am

re: #617 Gus

America doesn't need another TSA like agency guarding our schools. Enough already with big government solutions. :D

Just watch, in a couple weeks, it'll be "Democrats wanna spend billions putting armed guards in schools! We're broke, we can't afford that!!!"

620 b_sharp  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:28:57am

re: #616 Kragar

The general consensus here is people can and should be allowed to own firearms, but military style weapons need to be banned completely, and ownership of a firearm needs to require annual refresher training, plus screenings to establish mental and emotional stability to retain ownership, preferably done by locally run, government sponsored "well regulated militias"

What good are hunting rifles and shotguns when the Reds come?

621 Kragar  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:29:11am

re: #618 Targetpractice

All things the NRA will fight tooth and nail against, because the fewer guns and gun owners, the fewer rubes they can swindle.

Don't negotiate with terrorists or their supporters.

622 Gus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:29:17am

re: #619 Targetpractice

Just watch, a couple weeks, it'll be "Democrats wanna spend billions putting armed guards in schools! We're broke, we can't afford that!!!"

Sounds about right.

623 Gus  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:31:26am

Full body scans and, um, groping?

624 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:32:14am

re: #616 Kragar

Yeah, I'd go with more than annual myself but I'm a super-safety-oriented guy.

I was just talking with my wife's dad, who is this gigantic shy retired Ironworker now working as a supervisor for mass building projects. He has an immaculate safety record, it's what he's built his career on. He recently got a gun, since he has a crazy ex-wife who assaulted their mutual daughters.

He told me he couldn't believe how easy it was to get the gun, how little training he got, how there wasn't going to be any ongoing safety routine or checks now that he had the gun. He said that he treats nail guns more seriously than the government treats real guns.

He immediately made a checklist for himself for gun safety, and runs through it every day. He keeps the gun in a safe next to his bed, with a deadman lock-- if he punches in the wrong code twice, the safe bricks itself and you'd have to drill or blow it open. He keeps it unloaded, with the clip in the safe next to the gun. So every day he opens the safe, takes out the gun, verifies that it's still unloaded, takes it down to the range near where he lives and fires a few clips.

He doesn't load it until he's on the range, he makes sure it's unloaded after, he even keeps a goddamn spreadsheet of his ammo so he can account for every bullet. Afterwards it goes back in the safe, unloaded and cleaned. He's never told the number on the safe to anyone, not even his daughters. He told them he'll tell them if they start taking gun safety classes to and demonstrate to him that they'll be responsible about it.


I pointed out to him that he doesn't really have the tactical training to use it, and now he's all gung ho about getting that and has added it to his checklist.

I am fine with him having a gun. He's a serious man who needs it for a real reason and he's acting responsibly.

He contrasts so vividly with the goddamn TACTICUL assholes buying a gun so that they can bring it to fucking political rallies while wearing a shirt that says "We came unarmed-- this time."

625 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:32:59am

re: #619 Targetpractice

No. They'll just offset the spending with cuts in social security or Medicare or other parts of the education budget. Make schools and localities do more with less - push the tax bill up on localities.

626 erik_t  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:35:21am

re: #625 lawhawk

No. They'll just offset the spending with cuts in social security or Medicare or other parts of the education budget. Make schools and localities do more with less - push the tax bill up on localities.

Don't think that the usual parties haven't tried to figure out how to shoehorn homeschooling into this. Where are Hunter and Joshua safer than in daddy's stand-your-ground McMansion castle?

Saves money, keeps Timmy safe, keeps the wife at home where she belongs... it all comes together!

627 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:35:34am

Sorta surprised Alex Jones hasn't yet wigged out and decided that Newtown was a "false flag" meant to further expand the coming "police state" by putting armed guards in schools and making them virtual prisons.

628 Political Atheist  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:36:48am

OT
Heh 625+ in but a change of pace?
Attention internet shoppers-
Just got this link from a client of mine in precious metals. He wanted us to see what he is doing with some very specialized alloys in gold.

Gorgeous vintage look stuff.

629 Kragar  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:37:41am

re: #624 Obdicut

If they were properly regulated, they could include a reporting procedure. If anyone was worried about a gun owner's mental state, they could call it in and the screeners could investigate the incident.

Its not perfect, but its better than what we have now, especially if there were laws on the books to allow seizure of the weapons.

630 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:39:59am

re: #620 b_sharp

What good are hunting rifles and shotguns when the Reds come?

Depends. If they disguise themselves as deer, geese and rabbits possibly quite effective...
;P

631 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 21, 2012 11:45:15am

2 Palestinians breach IDF base; assault soldier

Two Palestinians breach fence of Jerusalem-adjacent base and steal soldier's rifle. IDF investigates incident as near-terror attack


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