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1 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:22:17pm

Prediction: Obama gets accused of rubbing it in even if he is gracious.

2 Kragar  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:23:41pm

re: #1 HappyWarrior

Prediction: Obama gets accused of rubbing it in even if he is gracious.

Quick, count the pronouns!
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3 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:23:59pm

re: #1 HappyWarrior

Prediction: Obama gets accused of rubbing it in even if he is gracious.

Concur.

4 Mattand  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:24:02pm

We need a Jimmy Fallon show mic drop after he leaves the podium.

5 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:24:11pm

re: #1 HappyWarrior

Prediction: Obama gets accused of rubbing it in even if he is gracious.

Yeah, 'Spiking The Football' in 3...2...1...

6 freetoken  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:25:01pm

Hoyer is upset that the House looks like it is going to close business without voting on the "Sandy" bill.

7 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:25:15pm

re: #5 makeitstop

Yeah, 'Spiking The Football' in 3...2...1...

Yep. You know it's coming. They did it when he announced Bin Laden even though they were also mad that OBL's body wasn't paraded through the streets to be desecrated.

8 jaunte  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:26:04pm

re: #1 HappyWarrior

Prediction: Obama gets accused of rubbing it in even if he is gracious.

Insanity.

9 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:26:25pm

Let him rub it in--but he won't. He'll just get ready to roll them on the debt ceiling.

10 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:27:08pm

JOE BIDEN CRACKED A SMILE!!! argghhhhhhh.

11 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:27:38pm

re: #8 jaunte

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Insanity.

The first president to get 50% plus of the vote two times since Reagan is a dictator? To steal from a movie, you keep on using that word, I do not think you know what it means.

12 Lidane  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:27:49pm

Not sure if serious:

13 dragonath  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:28:02pm

re: #10 Mich-again

JOE BIDEN CRACKED A SMILE!!! argghhhhhhh.

Biden always looks like he's on the verge on cracking a smile.

14 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:28:24pm

re: #12 Lidane

Not sure if serious:

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Isn't that the damndest thing? That's how nuts the right has gotten.

15 Lidane  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:28:47pm

re: #14 HappyWarrior

Isn't that the damndest thing? That's how nuts the right has gotten.

16 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:28:51pm

re: #13 dragonath

Biden always looks like he's on the verge on cracking a smile.

I don't care what people said. I loved when he said HCR was a big fucking deal because it was a big fucking deal.

17 Lidane  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:29:27pm
18 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:29:30pm

He never said God!

19 Mattand  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:30:09pm

re: #18 Mich-again

He never said God!

Thank God.

Wait, what?

20 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:30:40pm

re: #15 Lidane

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That's hilarious on two levels because it assumes that George III was an absolute monarch and it acts like Obama is a dictator. No idiots a majority of Congress voted for this bill. A majority. You may not like what they did but this is how representative democracy works. You may not like the end result but comparing it to dictatorship is insulting to people who actually suffer from dictatorships.

21 jaunte  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:31:04pm

All these tcot people bitching about federal government spending would really be surprised if their states suddenly had to get by on 1-to-1 federal tax dollars flowing back to their states.

22 Interesting Times  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:31:05pm
23 dragonath  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:31:25pm

3:-]

That's supposed to be Biden, dammit.

24 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:31:26pm

re: #17 Lidane

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Yeah two first term Senators who are only really popular with right wing nuts. There's a way to make the past two elections look competitive for the GOP.

25 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:33:13pm

re: #23 dragonath

3:-]

That's supposed to be Biden, dammit.

Looks more like someone is trying to teabag a happy robot.

26 efuseakay  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:34:09pm

re: #17 Lidane

Poor Dawn. Ryan voted YEA.

27 b_sharp  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:34:31pm

re: #25 The Ghost of a Flea

Looks more like someone is trying to teabag a smiling robot.

Hey, where was the NSFD warning?

I just snorted eggnog.

28 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:34:32pm

re: #25 The Ghost of a Flea

Looks more like someone is trying to teabag a happy robot.

That would violate 1 commandment and 3 OSHA standards.

29 Kragar  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:34:33pm
30 jaunte  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:35:26pm

re: #25 The Ghost of a Flea

Looks more like someone is trying to teabag a smiling robot.

You made me spill the champagne.

31 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:35:32pm

re: #29 Kragar

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Because multimillion dollar corporations are the only job creators, Bryan. Fuck this idiot. He makes Pat Robertson look somewhat intellectual.

32 Lidane  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:36:05pm

*sigh*

There are fewer drama queens on RuPaul's Drag Race than on #tcot. WTF.

33 Mattand  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:36:22pm

re: #29 Kragar

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I'm gonna channel my inner Rachel Maddow and declare that at this point, Bryan Fischer is actually a performance artist portraying a delusional born-again preacher.

34 Kragar  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:37:12pm

re: #32 Lidane

*sigh*

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There are fewer drama queens on RuPaul's Drag Race than on #tcot. WTF.

35 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:37:22pm

re: #32 Lidane

*sigh*

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There are fewer drama queens on RuPaul's Drag Race than on #tcot. WTF.

Yeah, good luck with that, chief.

36 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:37:30pm

Yeah we're fucked if have tax rates on the very wealthy like we did in one of the most prosperous times in memory. Seriously conservatives? This isn't Obama proposing we return to Eisenhower or even Nixon era level tax rates. This is Obama proposing we return to Clinton era levels. And if you think that is so tyrannical, maybe you should move to a country that doesn't tax at all and live in anarchy like the morons you are. Because hey if government sucks so bad. Let's get rid of the police, military, roads, schools, etc. Let's just have no taxes because no taxes works in right wing la la la land.

37 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:38:30pm

re: #32 Lidane

*sigh*

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There are fewer drama queens on RuPaul's Drag Race than on #tcot. WTF.

Another couch warrior who will just hoard another gun and then bitch that he doesn't have enough money for his kids' health care and education.

38 Lidane  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:38:30pm
39 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:39:15pm

And this is why we should all laugh when we liberals are told that we're the ones prone to hysteria and hyperbole.

40 jaunte  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:39:39pm

re: #32 Lidane

MinuteMan 1776: 30+ yr. US Army Vet (MAJ), #CONSERVATIVE, #NRA, #TU, #Catholic; #Oathkeeper.

Heart-attack risk: high.

41 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:40:06pm

re: #40 jaunte

Heart-attack risk: high.

#Whinychild :)

42 Lidane  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:40:07pm

Another reasonable right winger:

43 andres  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:40:11pm

Happy New Year everyone!

44 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:40:49pm

re: #38 Lidane

Tea Party better find another party to deal with because I REFUSE to vote #GOP ever again.

Hahaha. Where they gonna go?

45 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:40:49pm

re: #43 andres

Happy New Year everyone!

It's good so far.

46 dragonath  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:40:50pm

re: #25 The Ghost of a Flea

Looks more like someone is trying to teabag a smiling robot.

Teabagging robots... hey, I thought Romney lost.

47 jaunte  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:40:53pm

re: #41 HappyWarrior

#Tricorneheads

48 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:41:34pm

re: #42 Lidane

Another reasonable right winger:

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Impeached? For a bunch of people who claim they understand and read the Constitution. They clearly missed the part where the president is to be impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors. Nowhere does it say, we impeach him because he implements a policy we dislike because it hurts a bunch of greedy asshole's feelings.

49 Kragar  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:41:42pm

re: #42 Lidane

Another reasonable right winger:

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The lack of evidence IS THE EVIDENCE!

50 Mattand  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:41:48pm

re: #42 Lidane

Another reasonable right winger:

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I so want to forward this to the Secret Service.

51 Lidane  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:42:22pm

re: #44 makeitstop

Hahaha. Where they gonna go?

The Libertarians of course. Duh. Or the Constitution Party.

You know, because those parties have been so successful in the past.

52 Lidane  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:43:07pm
53 jaunte  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:43:30pm

re: #42 Lidane

Another reasonable right winger:

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He forgot the drawing and quartering, and the comfy chair.

54 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:43:50pm

re: #42 Lidane

Another reasonable right winger:

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Sedition.
I can play to, nutters!

55 Kragar  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:44:00pm

Obviously this means Obama has hollowed out Boehner, laid his eggs in his skull, and created another thrall. Its the only logical answer given the evidence at hand.

56 Mattand  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:44:36pm

re: #52 Lidane

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Yeah, you guys quitting the party isn't a purge. It's taking your ball and going home.

57 Lidane  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:45:30pm

ELEVENTY!

58 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:46:23pm

re: #55 Kragar

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Obviously this means Obama has hollowed out Boehner, laid his eggs in his skull, and created another thrall. Its the only logical answer given the evidence at hand.

Nah--simple case of demoncratic possession.

59 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:46:23pm

WTF.
Weren't liberals supposed to be the ones ruled by emotion?!?!
;)

60 b_sharp  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:46:26pm

Good night leaping lizards.

61 jaunte  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:46:36pm

re: #52 Lidane

Splitters!

62 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:46:45pm

In this video, Obama is Foghorn Leghorn and the Tea Party House is George P. Dog..

63 dragonath  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:46:55pm

A focus on spending...? Sounds Communist!

64 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:47:29pm

re: #59 Varek Raith

WTF.
Weren't liberals supposed to be the ones ruled by emotion?!?!
;)

I know. Why aren't we being hysterical! Oh wait we're not attending this year's CPAC.

65 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:47:34pm

So... Where does everyone think we stand re Boehner vs. Cantor?

Is Orange Man safe in his Speaker gig, or is Cantor gonna take it?

66 Kragar  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:47:38pm

re: #59 Varek Raith

WTF.
Weren't liberals supposed to be the ones ruled by emotion?!?!
;)

And the GOP is good with people...

67 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:47:40pm

re: #52 Lidane

68 b_sharp  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:47:49pm

re: #59 Varek Raith

WTF.
Weren't liberals supposed to be the ones ruled by emotion?!?!
;)

Yup.

I guess having empathy is being emotional but jumping up and down screaming like a mad chimp is being cool and collected.

69 Mattand  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:48:32pm

re: #53 jaunte

He forgot the drawing and quartering, and the comfy chair.

Anger, pettiness, and delusion are two.. THREE! Three of our chief weapons!

70 jaunte  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:48:33pm

re: #68 b_sharp

We didn't come from no monkey!

71 dragonath  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:48:48pm

re: #65 makeitstop

So... Where does everyone think we stand re Boehner vs. Cantor?

Is Orange Man safe in his Speaker gig, or is Cantor gonna take it?

I think the only major spending legislation that passed this congress was with Democratic votes.

lol

72 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:49:32pm

Maybe this is the year Virginia bucks its trend and elects a governor from the same party as the president. *Fingers crossed* Cuccinnelli may be even more off his nut than Cantor.

73 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:49:48pm

re: #47 jaunte

#Tricorneheads

Are they from France?
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74 jaunte  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:50:29pm

The fiscal cliff bill has passed the U.S. House with the support of four Texas Republicans: U.S. Reps. Pete Sessions of Dallas, Kevin Brady of Conroe, Mac Thornberry of Wichita Falls and Lamar Smith of San Antonio. Rep. Ron Paul of Lake Jackson was the lone member of the Texas delegation who did not vote; all Texas Democrats in Congress voted for the measure.

75 Lidane  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:50:56pm

re: #62 Mich-again

In this video, Obama is Foghorn Leghorn and the Tea Party House is George P. Dog..

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And in this video, Obama is Bugs and the entire RWNJ noise machine is Sam:

76 SpaceJesus  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:51:17pm

lol 151 GOP no votes

77 Kragar  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:52:30pm
78 Alexzander  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:53:42pm

re: #77 Kragar

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Wow. Erick Erickson has really made the lives of Republican presidential candidates difficult. Love it.

79 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:54:24pm

Nate Silver would never say that the Dems have a chance at the House in 2014, but there is a little trace of blood in the water.

80 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:54:52pm

re: #77 Kragar

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Who will be next to break Erick's achy breaky heart? They want so badly for some perfect conservative to come in on a white horse and save them. That shit ain't happening.

81 Kragar  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:55:20pm
82 wilburs  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:55:53pm

re: #80 HappyWarrior

Who will be next to break Erick's achy breaky heart? They want so badly for some perfect conservative to come in on a white horse and save them. That shit ain't happening them.

and he doesn't have the stones to do it himself

he'd rather take potshots

83 Kragar  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:56:15pm

re: #82 wilburs

and he doesn't have the stones to do it himself

he'd rather take potshots

He asked God, God said no.

84 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:56:32pm

re: #79 Decatur Deb

Nate Silver would never say that the Dems have a chance at the House in 2014, but there is a little trace of blood in the water.

It would be something. I don't think a party in power has ever taken the House back during a midterm election. I know it's happened during a presidential election. Who knows though. And I see now that my Congressman voted against it. Somewhat shocked since while Wolf is right wing, he's capable sometimes of being reasonable.

85 wilburs  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:56:57pm

re: #83 Kragar

He asked God, God said no.

that's why he has infinite wisdom

86 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:57:20pm

re: #82 wilburs

and he doesn't have the stones to do it himself

he'd rather take potshots

Yeah he chickened out of his proposed run against Saxby Chambliss probably because it would mean actually being held accountable for once instead of just being a a chicken shit who runs a circle jerk.

87 Interesting Times  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:57:42pm

By the way, the stupid, evil, worse-than-useless GOP house also did this:

88 Lidane  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:58:02pm
89 jaunte  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:58:28pm

re: #86 HappyWarrior

Yeah he chickened out of his proposed run against Saxby Chambliss probably because it would mean actually being held accountable for once instead of just being a a chicken shit who runs a circle jerk.

Not sure, but I think PETA might get involved with that.

90 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:58:31pm

re: #87 Interesting Times

By the way, the stupid, evil, worse-than-useless GOP house also did this:

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Hey you wanted a GOP majority in the House in 2010 and this is what you got. Classic be careful what ya wish for.

91 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:59:26pm

re: #88 Lidane

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Speaker Cantor. Yeah that will be fun. Cantor's going to be exposed as an empty suit who knows only how to second guess.

92 jaunte  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:59:30pm

re: #87 Interesting Times

93 SpaceJesus  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:59:38pm

re: #88 Lidane

yeah, use cantor instead. brilliant idea.

94 Lidane  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:59:42pm
95 Kragar  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:59:50pm
96 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 8:59:54pm

Well Obama's re-election did have the expected effect of finally pushing people to call for murdering him outright... Or maybe that's been going on all along, and I just haven't noticed.

These people would be a laugh if they weren't so damned serious. Every week it's ZOMG THE WORST THING EVER, STARRING THE N-WORD PRESIDENT!!11. We should be at the apocalypse any minute now, if the right-wing predictions of doom and horror hold.

97 freetoken  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:00:05pm

re: #87 Interesting Times

Many are still talking in the house.

The acting speaker just adjourned the House even though the "No" vote was in majority, because the Sandy legislation is still held up.


That's because the GOP House leadership are in serious butthurt tonight, and they want to punish the Blue States, is all I've got.

98 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:01:03pm

re: #97 freetoken

Many are still talking in the house.

The acting speaker just adjourned the House even though the "No" vote was in majority, because the Sandy legislation is still held up.

That's because the GOP House leadership are in serious butthurt tonight, and they want to punish the Blue States, is all I've got.

Pretty pathetic because both Cantor and Boehner come from could be called blue states.

99 Lidane  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:01:06pm

re: #97 freetoken

That's because the GOP House leadership are in serious butthurt tonight, and they want to punish the Blue States, is all I've got.

I eagerly await the reaction from that liberal Chris Christie to his state's federal relief being held up by the GOP.

100 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:01:34pm

[Link: xkcd.com...]

101 Kragar  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:01:42pm
102 SpaceJesus  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:01:50pm

Freep is pretty freep right now

To: SeekAndFind

FU John Boner!

3 posted on Tuesday, January 01, 2013 10:10:03 PM by Clint N. Suhks

103 jaunte  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:01:52pm

re: #94 Lidane

Cast out all the unfaithful. Slam dunk!

104 Interesting Times  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:02:26pm
105 jaunte  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:03:05pm
106 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:03:08pm

If this is how the base is reaction without a clear "next in line." Maybe 2016 is the year that they finally get their true conservative and get their asses truly kicked at the polls. I'm not talking about McCain 2008 because that clearly wasn't enough and nor was Romney 2012. No, they need a beat down in the mold of Goldwater 64 or McGovern 72. Something that finally convinces them that they're not losing because they're insufficiently conservative. I don't think that will happen because enough people blindly vote Republican to give Republican candidates at least 45% of the vote in presidential elections.

107 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:03:42pm

re: #104 Interesting Times

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I agree. The people of NY and NJ deserve better than that.

108 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:04:07pm

re: #105 jaunte

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gay Hispanic Muslims.

109 SpaceJesus  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:04:18pm

muwahaha

To: SeekAndFind
Paul Ryan voted for it—he is dead to me now.

All the “ayes” are to be PURGED in the primaries!

15 posted on Tuesday, January 01, 2013 10:15:41 PM by Happy Rain ("Outlawing guns because of Adam Lanza would be like outlawing free speech because of Bill Maher.")

110 freetoken  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:04:58pm

re: #105 jaunte

The last person to speak was Republican Bilbray from here in San Diego, who lost in the last election by a very close margin but it was still a small upset.

Anyway, he ranted about illegal aliens, even though everyone else (including the other Republicans) were lamenting on not voting on the Sandy bill.

111 Alexzander  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:05:06pm

re: #106 HappyWarrior

If this is how the base is reaction without a clear "next in line." Maybe 2016 is the year that they finally get their true conservative and get their asses truly kicked at the polls. I'm not talking about McCain 2008 because that clearly wasn't enough and nor was Romney 2012. No, they need a beat down in the mold of Goldwater 64 or McGovern 72. Something that finally convinces them that they're not losing because they're insufficiently conservative. I don't think that will happen because enough people blindly vote Republican to give Republican candidates at least 45% of the vote in presidential elections.

I think Rand Paul is the man to really test and sink their 'true conservative' dream. Now that Paul Ryan is out of the running for 2016 (according to EE), things are looking goo for RP.

112 jaunte  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:05:23pm

re: #109 SpaceJesus

Purity is its own, cold reward.

113 freetoken  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:05:32pm

re: #108 HappyWarrior

gay Hispanic Muslims.

Gay Hispanic Muslim Athiests on Welfare.

114 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:06:04pm

We're going to see some of the same madness we've seen with Senate candidates in the past two terms but with the House. And the thing is, they may get their wish. Congressional primaries are low turnout. So, I totally expect to see some high profile YES's to get primaried.

115 Kragar  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:06:39pm

re: #113 freetoken

Gay Hispanic Muslim Athiests on Welfare.

Female Gay Hispanic Muslim Atheist on Welfare with a long term disability.

116 freetoken  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:06:45pm

Gay Illegal Alien Hispanic Muslim Atheists on Food Stamps.

That's what's ailing America.

117 SpaceJesus  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:07:00pm

re: #112 jaunte

the tears are delicious. 2013 is looking good so far.

118 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:07:04pm

re: #111 Alexzander

I think Rand Paul is the man to really test and sink their 'true conservative' dream. Now that Paul Ryan is out of the running for 2016 (according to EE), things are looking goo for RP.

Yeah I think Rand would do it. Though some of the hawks would bitch that he wasn't "conservative" enough on defense. I know a lot of right wing nuts who think the Paul father and son duo are liberals because they're not hawks on war.

119 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:07:33pm

re: #115 Kragar

Female Gay Hispanic Muslim Atheist on Welfare with a long term disability.

You forgot "non gun owning".

120 jaunte  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:07:38pm

Palin/Paul 2016

121 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:08:40pm

And for their next trick the GOP/Tea Party conjoined twins will be surgically separated even though they share a single brain.

122 Kragar  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:09:13pm

re: #119 Feline Fearless Leader

You forgot "non gun owning".

Implied.

123 jaunte  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:10:20pm

Party of social irresponsibility.

124 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:10:34pm

re: #121 Mich-again

And for their next trick the GOP/Tea Party conjoined twins will be surgically separated even though they share a single brain.

Yea, the TP can split off -- and then get their funding cut as they wither up and blow away. Astroturf and have no real roots to live on.

125 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:11:18pm

re: #120 jaunte

Palin/Paul 2016

I like it.. A political marriage with vows, the hokey pokey, a buffet, and a bouquet toss..

126 Lidane  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:11:18pm

Hahahaha:

127 Kragar  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:12:01pm

re: #124 Feline Fearless Leader

Yea, the TP can split off -- and then get their funding cut as they wither up and blow away. Astroturf and have no real roots to live on.

Dick Armey will go door to door with an armed guard to collect.

128 Lidane  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:12:18pm
129 wilburs  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:12:31pm

Classic

Vermont police cited a Massachusetts man for DUI after he allegedly drove onto the front lawn of the birthplace of the co-founder of Alcoholics Anonymous in Vermont on Christmas Eve.

[Link: www.chillicothegazette.com...]

130 Kragar  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:12:57pm

re: #126 Lidane

Hahahaha:

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The comedy value alone makes it a great idea.

131 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:13:55pm

re: #126 Lidane

Oh geeze, Michelle Bachmann makes Rick Perry look like an intellectual.

132 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:13:57pm

re: #126 Lidane

Hahahaha:

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I think I'd pay to see Bachmann be Speaker since I think she would easily be the worst Speaker in history because she knows nothing about leadership. Cantor's a hack but at least he understands leadership. Don't use it but he knows what it is. Bachmann is just a right wing hack. Plus, you know if she did take a more prominent role in the leadership, the Dems Congressional Commtitee would probably be able to raise enough money to recruit a very viable candidate to run against her.

133 jaunte  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:14:48pm

re: #126 Lidane

No nonsense.

....

hahahahahaha

134 Lidane  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:14:55pm
135 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:15:17pm

re: #120 jaunte

Palin/Paul 2016

They're ahead in all the unskewed polls.

136 Kragar  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:15:35pm

re: #131 Mich-again

Oh geeze, Michelle Bachmann makes Rick Perry look like an intellectual.

"The GOP will act like the Maginot Line, defending America from Obama's tyranny!"

137 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:15:44pm

re: #128 Lidane

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Now they hate him. Totally expect the crazies who believe he's a Muslim Brotherhood member to come out of the woodworks now that he's on record of supporting the deal. And then I'll have the strange feeling of feeling some sympathy for Grover Norquist.

138 wilburs  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:16:07pm

Republicans should just make Pelosi leader, then they can sit back and vote no on everything, since that seems to make them happy

139 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:18:58pm

re: #138 wilburs

Republicans should just make Pelosi leader, then they can sit back and vote no on everything, since that seems to make them happy

Or have enough them resign their seats and the Dems be the majority party again. So they can accuse Obama and the Democratic Congress of "shoving legislation down our throats." Because working for a health care reform law is the same as nonsensical attempts to repeal Obamacare while the signer of said legislation is still president and had recently successfully defended said legislation's constitutionality before the USSC.

140 Kragar  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:21:36pm

Just because this never gets old:

141 jaunte  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:22:12pm

Greatest hits of 2012. Paulians need to tune in to CNN right now to watch Ron Paul being delusional about his chances to win the GOP nomination.

142 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:22:30pm

re: #140 Kragar

Just because this never gets old:

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I wonder what bits of wisdom Dick has for us tonight? Probably little. Poor guy's probably having a nasty footover.

143 wilburs  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:22:55pm

re: #140 Kragar

Just because this never gets old:

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Nor does this:

It’s very hard not to look at the recent polls and think that the odds are very high I’m going to be the nominee. Newt

144 Lidane  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:23:23pm

Hahaha:

145 jaunte  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:23:44pm

re: #142 HappyWarrior

Nothing on his timeline for the last 14 hours.

146 Amory Blaine  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:23:49pm

re: #143 wilburs

He's his biggest fan.

147 Interesting Times  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:23:59pm

That's one rancid, toxic orange:

148 Lidane  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:24:00pm

re: #140 Kragar

Just because this never gets old:

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A+ prediction skillz. Gotta love it.

149 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:24:27pm

I'm sure you could find some tweets of right wing hacks predicting a landslide Romney victory too. Those were fun. Especially unskewed polls guy who made his prediction closer as it became more and more apparent that Romney not only wasn't going to win in a landslide but wasn't going to win period.

150 jaunte  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:25:04pm
151 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:25:14pm

re: #144 Lidane

Hahaha:

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And Beavis and Butthead smiled. Bend over for us hahaha.

152 Lidane  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:25:53pm
153 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:26:01pm

re: #150 jaunte

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Idiots should have taken that when they had the chance. Obama's a skilled politician but man his opponents are such idiots.

154 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:27:15pm

re: #152 Lidane

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Yeah until Rubio votes liberally on something involving immigration and he becomes a traitor too in the casual comedy.

155 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:27:32pm

I think it would be really funny if Twitter pulled the plug on #tcot just because..

156 wilburs  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:27:49pm

The senate better change the filibuster rules, and Obama better start getting some judges nominated and confirmed, or much of his impact will be for naught

157 wilburs  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:29:31pm

re: #155 Mich-again

I think it would be really funny if Twitter pulled the plug on #tcot just because..

If I wasn't too lazy to use twitter i would be trolling that tag all day long with conspiracy theories, although I doubt I could out nut many of the current contributors

158 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:29:36pm

re: #136 Kragar

"The GOP will act like the Maginot Line, defending America from Obama's tyranny!"

Which Democrat gets to be Gen. von Manstein in that analogy?

159 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:29:41pm

re: #144 Lidane

Hahaha:

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NB: Do Not Bend Over Anywhere Near This Person.
His entire understanding of politics is just a prison movie shower scene on repeat. And not the "good" Cinemax ladies' prison movie, either.

160 Lidane  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:30:28pm
161 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:31:40pm

re: #160 Lidane

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Heh what does he mean even Has he not paid attention at all to what his party does in the wake of disasters? I won't be too hard on him though since he's got every right to be pissed as fuck at the leadership.

162 jaunte  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:32:16pm

re: #144 Lidane

James Czerwonky
@jamescistheman

God, Family, Football, prison shower fantasies & fighting in that order. I support #Israel. If you don't then don't follow me #Revolution2013 #tcot #p2 #RedNationRIsing WE FIGHT!!!

163 Kragar  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:33:17pm

re: #158 Dark_Falcon

Which Democrat gets to be Gen. von Manstein in that analogy?

Boehner.
/

164 Lidane  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:34:09pm

re: #155 Mich-again

I think it would be really funny if Twitter pulled the plug on #tcot just because..

But then we would be deprived of derp like this:

165 jaunte  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:34:54pm

When Peter King is your voice of reason, its gotten weird.

166 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:35:11pm

Do Republicans realize what they've done here? They've totally alienated the TPNJs and made themselves look like idiots with zero compassion by bailing on the Sandy aid vote.

In the optics war, they just shot themselves in the face with a howitzer. Well played, morans.

167 SpaceJesus  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:35:29pm

re: #164 Lidane

i think i may have found my new least favorite person

168 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:35:54pm

re: #166 makeitstop

Do Republicans realize what they've done here? They've totally alienated the TPNJs and made themselves look like idiots with zero compassion by bailing on the Sandy aid vote.

In the optics war, they just shot themselves in the face with a howitzer. Well played, morans.

Picked their nose with a fucking knife.

169 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:36:06pm

That cracking sound is the GOP splitting in two. Which is not necessarily a reason for the Dems to celebrate. The left half of the old GOP, now unshackled from the RWNJ contingency, can now compete for centrist voters. The eventual losers will be the far left and the far right.

170 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:36:35pm

re: #165 jaunte

When Peter King is your voice of reason, its gotten weird.

As weird as waking up in a Phuket flophouse handcuffed to a suitcase full of panda meat.

171 Lidane  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:37:35pm

Hahaha. Oh man. The next GOP primaries will be hilarious:

172 jaunte  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:38:20pm

re: #167 SpaceJesus

"Six."

IQ or SAT?

173 SpaceJesus  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:38:51pm

re: #172 jaunte

number of missing chromosomes?

174 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:39:02pm

re: #171 Lidane

Hahaha. Oh man. The next GOP primaries will be hilarious:

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It's going to be great because for the first time in a while, there's really no one who is really next in line. The establishment will have a favorite, sure, but someone like Santorum, Palin, Paul, or whoever could actually make a serious run.

175 Kragar  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:39:19pm

re: #171 Lidane

Hahaha. Oh man. The next GOP primaries will be hilarious:

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Limbaugh/Hannity '16

176 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:39:26pm

re: #173 SpaceJesus

number of missing chromosomes?

generations of inbreeding

177 Kragar  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:39:44pm

re: #173 SpaceJesus

number of missing chromosomes?

Number of toes.

178 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:39:47pm

re: #171 Lidane

Either is sure to be landslide victory for ... the Democrats. There's some sharp thinking there, Kojack.

179 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:41:19pm

re: #175 Kragar

Limbaugh/Hannity '16

...and the third part of the wingnut Human Centipede will be...all of America!

180 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:41:27pm

Eventually we will have another Republican president but it will be someone who the nuts hate. So even when they win, they'll lose. In that way, they kind of remind me of the lefties I know who are never happy with Obama even though he's an improvement over Bush.

181 Lidane  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:46:13pm
182 jaunte  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:46:31pm
183 TedStriker  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:47:30pm

re: #86 HappyWarrior

Yeah he chickened out of his proposed run against Saxby Chambliss probably because it would mean actually being held accountable for once instead of just being a a chicken shit who runs a circle jerk.

And he'd take a huge pay cut.

184 Lidane  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:48:13pm
185 Kragar  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:48:58pm

re: #182 jaunte

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You can have a moderately effective government or you can have freedom, not both!
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186 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:50:20pm

re: #182 jaunte

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The latter tweeter gets it. Really, Obama's proposing that the wealthiest 1 percent pay the same amount as they did in the Clinton years which was 39.6%. Idiotic wingnuts acting like this is the end of the country as we know it are so ignorant of how relatively little taxes we pay. Of course, they'll also bitch at the state of our schools, roads, and health care but then when it's pointed out that taxes may have to go up, they flip their shit.

187 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:50:59pm

We've been electing the people who slept through civics class rather than the kid who actually paid attention.

188 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:53:34pm

re: #173 SpaceJesus

number of missing chromosomes?

I don't find a lynyrd skynyrd type rock band named six one six anywhere, but there is a McMansion near Nashville with the address 616 Band. I bet that loser is a rich kid living in the basement.

189 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:54:00pm

“There will always be dissident voices heard in the land, expressing opposition without alternatives, finding faults but never favor, perceiving gloom on every side and seeking influence without responsibility."
JFK was supposed to say this in the speech he would have given in Dallas the day he was assassinated. It's as true nearly 50 years later as it was in 1963.

190 Kragar  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:55:13pm

Brain image study: Fructose may spur overeating

For the study, scientists used magnetic resonance imaging, or MRI, scans to track blood flow in the brain in 20 young, normal-weight people before and after they had drinks containing glucose or fructose in two sessions several weeks apart.

Scans showed that drinking glucose "turns off or suppresses the activity of areas of the brain that are critical for reward and desire for food," said one study leader, Yale University endocrinologist Dr. Robert Sherwin. With fructose, "we don't see those changes," he said. "As a result, the desire to eat continues — it isn't turned off."

What's convincing, said Dr. Jonathan Purnell, an endocrinologist at Oregon Health & Science University, is that the imaging results mirrored how hungry the people said they felt, as well as what earlier studies found in animals.

"It implies that fructose, at least with regards to promoting food intake and weight gain, is a bad actor compared to glucose," said Purnell. He wrote a commentary that appears with the federally funded study in Wednesday's Journal of the American Medical Association.

191 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:55:51pm

re: #189 HappyWarrior

“There will always be dissident voices heard in the land, expressing opposition without alternatives, finding faults but never favor, perceiving gloom on every side and seeking influence without responsibility."
JFK was supposed to say this in the speech he would have given in Dallas the day he was assassinated. It's as true nearly 50 years later as it was in 1963.

If so, he was borrowing from the Penalty of Leadership ad from 1915..

192 freetoken  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:56:05pm

CJR interview Tyson:

Another round of Cosmos

[...]

Q: But you’ve criticized Fox’s Bill O’Reilly for using the motion of the tides to prove the existence of God, and debated former GM vice chairman Bob Lutz, a climate skeptic, on national television.

I was called to those tasks. It was Stephen Colbert’s initiative to push back on O’Reilly, and since I’m an easy date for him—my office is not far from his studios—he called me in to do a kind of half-rehearsed skit, which was very funny, about who’s in charge of the tides. If astrophysicists can fully explain the tides, are they in charge? Or is God in charge? The same is true with climate change. I was invited to appear on Real Time with Bill Maher.

It doesn’t mean I don’t have opinions on these matters, it’s just that I’m not going to initiate it. But we need others to do it, so if I fail in getting people to think straight in the first place, then I hand them over to others. The mantle that had previously been occupied by Carl now has several people, including Michael Schermer, the editor of Skeptic magazine, and Phil Plait, colloquially known as the “Bad Astronomer” because he writes a blog [which moved from Discover to Slate in November] on correcting bad astronomy in movies, on websites, and in the rumor mill.

Q: Do you think the anti-intellectualism exhibited by O’Reilly is a problem in the media?

The media are not as egregious as the general public. It’s true, however, that guys like Larry King, who’s now retired, have given quite a bit of passage for people who have made careers pedaling pseudoscience. Especially, perhaps, with those who claim that they can speak to the dead, King took this sort of dispassionate view: ‘I’m just the interviewer here and people are coming in and making these claims, and you evaluate.’ Well, okay, but somebody decided to give these people a seat on your show. You can’t claim an absence of responsibility. If you’re a journalist, then you’ve got find out: Is this person speaking truth? What’s the evidence in support of it? Your neutrality is not “everything is equal.” Your neutrality is: I’m going to ask hard questions, no matter who it is, and if they crumble under the line of questioning, that’s because they had a house of cards to begin with. If journalism doesn’t bring that out, it’s bad for society, because you only have a strong democracy if those who vote people into office are informed and have the capacity to think intelligently about topics and issues—especially in the 21st century, with so many science issues in front of us that require informed judgment and informed leadership. The news media are a fundamental player in this. You can’t say you’re not in the position of power to shape that dialogue, because you are.

[...]

Noticed how smoothly he changes the topic from Bill O. to Larry King and the general populace.

193 freetoken  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:56:59pm

re: #190 Kragar

Probably relates to evolutionary developments in reaction to the existence of seasons and the dominant fruit production later in the year.

194 TedStriker  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:58:05pm

re: #142 HappyWarrior

I wonder what bits of wisdom Dick has for us tonight? Probably little. Poor guy's probably having a nasty footover.

Paying for foot fetish action is all Morris has, because he's apparently hung like a gnat.

/that's what I heard

195 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 9:58:37pm

re: #194 TedStriker

Paying for foot fetish action is all Morris has, because he's apparently hung like a gnat.

/that's what I heard

Grin. No comment.

196 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:00:23pm

re: #194 TedStriker

Paying for foot fetish action is all Morris has, because he's apparently hung like a gnat.

/that's what I heard

Great.

I'm going to need an icepick lobotomy to get that image out of my brain.

197 TedStriker  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:01:08pm

re: #144 Lidane

Hahaha:

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The RWNJs want Boehner and the GOP leadership to be like Andy Dufresne in the beginning of Shawshank Redemption, just so they can play the Sisters.

198 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:02:32pm

Good Night, All.

199 Lidane  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:03:38pm
200 Lidane  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:05:55pm

Ok. Back to reality. I've got to hit the hay. Big meeting tomorrow to talk about a massive potential opportunity at work. Later, lizards!

201 SpaceJesus  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:06:46pm

To: SeekAndFind

Secession starting to look very, very appealing now. Seriously, f&ck Barry, f*ck the spineless scumbags who dare call themselves conservative, and f%ck everyone who votes people like Obama into power. They can all go to hell.

177 posted on Tuesday, January 01, 2013 11:04:58 PM by Viennacon
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202 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:06:55pm

re: #199 Lidane

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Heh. As I said. I don't know who's more pathetic. The GOP House caucus or the idiots who swear that this is their last time ever voting Republican but who will do so this year and beyond anyhow because they hate the Democrats and liberals that much.

203 Kid A  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:07:16pm

Comment over at the King of Derp's website about the 150th anniversary of the Emancipation Proclamation:

And now they’re instrumental in destroying America from within. Not sure if this is the outcome Lincoln foresaw? Expect things to get worse going forward. They have smelled victory and together with the liberals, Muslims, bitter Hispanics and other third-world immigrants with no skin in the game, America will become a shell of it’s former self.

204 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:07:36pm

re: #201 SpaceJesus

To: SeekAndFind

Secession starting to look very, very appealing now. Seriously, f&ck Barry, f*ck the spineless scumbags who dare call themselves conservative, and f%ck everyone who votes people like Obama into power. They can all go to hell.

177 posted on Tuesday, January 01, 2013 11:04:58 PM by Viennacon
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Better get busy Viennacon because you're going to up late fucking :).

205 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:08:15pm

re: #203 Kid A

Comment over at the King of Derp's website about the 150th anniversary of the Emancipation Proclamation:

Well here's someone who clearly doesn't understand Lincoln's legacy at all.

206 SpaceJesus  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:08:47pm

re: #204 HappyWarrior

i'm having a pretty hard time imagining a freeper living in vienna

207 freetoken  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:09:58pm

re: #206 SpaceJesus

i'm having a pretty hard time imagining a freeper living in vienna

Imagine 1940.

208 Kragar  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:10:10pm

re: #206 SpaceJesus

i'm having a pretty hard time imagining a freeper living in vienna

Vienna, VA.

209 freetoken  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:10:30pm

re: #208 Kragar

Vienna, VA.

Vienna, Sausage.

210 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:10:32pm

re: #206 SpaceJesus

i'm having a pretty hard time imagining a freeper living in vienna

There's a Vienna, Virginia not too far from here. Could be that. And yeah I can't either after having been there a few years back.

211 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:10:34pm

So I duck out for a few hours to get sucked into Minecraft, come back to find that Boehner just fell on his sword. Guess we'll see if it means anything come Thursday.

212 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:11:03pm

re: #208 Kragar

Vienna, VA.

Damn, beat me to it and I'm probably the only one on here who's actually been there and the more famous Vienna.

213 BongCrodny  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:11:03pm

re: #199 Lidane

@RepPaulRyan Your betrayal is hurting millions that trusted you. Very sorry to discover that you're a Rino. Enjoy your last 2 years.

They're gonna run out of people to hate.

214 Kid A  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:11:36pm

re: #205 HappyWarrior

Well here's someone who clearly doesn't understand Lincoln's legacy at all.

Lincoln shredded the constitution and expanded government. Sounds like someone we might know.

215 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:12:15pm

re: #213 BongCrodny

They're gonna run out of people to hate.

Yep, Rubio or Rand Paul's going to betray them. There's always Bachmann I guess. But I don't see her being a serious candidate for president at all in 2016.*
* Then again who foresaw Rick Santorum, thorn in Mitt Romney's side.

216 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:12:38pm

re: #214 Kid A

Damn Chicago thugs.

217 Kragar  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:12:49pm

re: #209 freetoken

Vienna, Sausage.

Saw a great saying earlier;

To those who ask why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free, remember you don't need to buy the whole pig if you just want a little sausage.

218 Kid A  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:12:57pm

More derp:

“150 Years Ago Today… Republicans Freed the Slaves..”

That,
Turned out
Really Great!

219 BongCrodny  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:13:29pm

re: #207 freetoken

Imagine 1940.

I'm thinking "Casafreepa."

220 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:14:25pm

re: #218 Kid A

More derp:

Yep that's some fine derp there. Bemoaning the Emancipation Proclamation because you don't like the fact that blacks vote Democratic and that played a role in getting first African American in the WH? Yeah but liberals and progressives are the real racist. How do I know this, Unkie Rush told me so!

221 Kid A  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:15:52pm

From Erick Son of Erick:

The Republican Establishment in Washington, DC should be burned to the ground and salt spread on the remains. Republicans who saw Mitch McConnell and John Boehner destroy the last plank of the Republican Party are going to need to look elsewhere for a savior for their party. Boehner and McConnell have declared they will survive. Their party? They don’t really care.

222 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:17:25pm

re: #221 Kid A

From Erick Son of Erick:

Oh quit your bitching, Erick, you're no more in danger of abandoning the GOP today than you were yesterday. Drop the drama bullshit and move on.

223 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:18:32pm

re: #222 Targetpractice

Oh quit your bitching, Erick, you're no more in danger of abandoning the GOP today than you were yesterday. Drop the drama bullshit and move on.

Seriously. Most of these people aren't going to abandon the GOP. They'll bitch about the GOP but they'll keep on voting for them because they hate the Democrats more. Barnum was right about suckers.

224 Four More Tears  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:18:43pm

re: #222 Targetpractice

Oh quit your bitching, Erick, you're no more in danger of abandoning the GOP today than you were yesterday. Drop the drama bullshit and move on.

At least he didn't call them goat-fuckers...

225 freetoken  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:19:39pm

re: #222 Targetpractice

Erick is comparatively sane, though, compared to the likes of WND. The droolies lead stories are about permanent dystopia from an EMP destroying electrical generation, about forced confiscation of guns, and so forth.

226 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:20:58pm

re: #225 freetoken

Erick is comparatively sane, though, compared to the likes of WND. The droolies lead stories are about permanent dystopia from an EMP destroying electrical generation, about forced confiscation of guns, and so forth.

Yeah, that's what sad. A man who once called the Supreme Court Justice of the United States a goat fucking child molester because he didn't like the way the guy ruled on health care is considered a grown up within the right wing blogosphere. Strange times we live in.

227 freetoken  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:25:55pm

BTW, a week from today at the annual AAS meeting the Kepler team will present an update on "Planets and Planetary Systems Identified by Kepler". Will be interested in seeing the current count, which will be updated with the last data from the regular mission. Kepler is now in its extended mission, which will go on for a year, and perhaps longer.

228 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:26:41pm

Gotta say, Thursday shall be interesting. Even if they vote to bounce Boehner, they need to have somebody to get behind. Cantor would seem the obvious choice, but he did support Plan B. So it's questionable at this time if he's close enough to the boss man to be a victim of the coup.

229 wilburs  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:29:48pm

Maybe we can get the Louie Gohmert groundswell going

230 Kragar  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:30:00pm

re: #228 Targetpractice

Gotta say, Thursday shall be interesting. Even if they vote to bounce Boehner, they need to have somebody to get behind. Cantor would seem the obvious choice, but he did support Plan B. So it's questionable at this time if he's close enough to the boss man to be a victim of the coup.

With tempers flaring, I expect them to back their craziest horses on Thursday.

231 freetoken  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:32:18pm

re: #228 Targetpractice

I wonder if those Republicans who acted all angry tonight over the abandoning of the Sandy vote are really that angry with John the Orange. Would they, the ones coming back, dare to skip voting for him?

232 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:35:56pm

re: #231 freetoken

I wonder if those Republicans who acted all angry tonight over the abandoning of the Sandy vote are really that angry with John the Orange. Would they, the ones coming back, dare to skip voting for him?

Would not surprise me that Boehner did more to piss off enough votes today than he's done up til now to seal the deal on his speakership. Which explains why he's been working so hard to avoid a vote before Thursday.

233 wilburs  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:36:14pm

who else really wants the job?

i can't imagine too many are really interested in being a wingnut punching bag

234 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:36:40pm

re: #233 wilburs

who else really wants the job?

i can't imagine too many are really interested in being a wingnut punching bag

Cantor seems to want it.

235 austin_blue  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:41:12pm

Golly! The #TCOT feed on twitter seems to contain a lot of negative responses to how Democracy actually works! Traitors! Media! Fifth columnists! Liars, Pansies, and Cowards, oh my!

This is making sausage, you numbnuts. This is politics, blood and bone. Wait until you see what happens in the next five months when you have a pragmatic President cut loose on a fractured majority in the House.

236 BongCrodny  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:46:03pm

re: #234 HappyWarrior

Cantor seems to want it.

Three of the last four Speakers of the House have been Newt Gingrich, Dennis Hastert and John Boehner.

So, sure, Cantor, why not? Just another case of the next lunatic in succession.

237 Kragar  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:47:28pm

re: #234 HappyWarrior

Cantor seems to want it.

It would explain his earlier pledge to stand by Boehner, then voting no tonight.

238 freetoken  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:54:14pm

This one goes out to all the House Republicans:

239 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:55:29pm

re: #235 austin_blue

Wait until you see what happens in the next five months when you have a pragmatic President cut loose on a fractured majority in the House.

Word. Obama's going to take these chumps to the cleaners.

240 freetoken  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:59:15pm

Hmmm... Patsy also sang one John the Orange could identify with:

241 Kragar  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 11:01:14pm

re: #240 freetoken

Hmmm... Patsy also sang one John the Orange could identify with:

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242 Kragar  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 11:03:50pm

And this is for all the sad, sad, teabaggers out there.

243 wilburs  Tue, Jan 1, 2013 11:11:07pm

not to worry

there will be a new OUTRAGE!!!!!!! tomorrow, and this will be forgotten

244 Tigger2  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 12:38:54am

re: #114 HappyWarrior

We're going to see some of the same madness we've seen with Senate candidates in the past two terms but with the House. And the thing is, they may get their wish. Congressional primaries are low turnout. So, I totally expect to see some high profile YES's to get primaried.

There is a push by Dems to get out the kind of ground game like Obama had in '12' for "14' gonna try and treat it like a Presidential election.

245 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:02:58am

re: #244 Tigger2

There is a push by Dems to get out the kind of ground game like Obama had in '12' for "14' gonna try and treat it like a Presidential election.

They need to run faster to keep from falling behind, yes...

246 efuseakay  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:19:19am

re: #203 Kid A

Comment over at the King of Derp's website about the 150th anniversary of the Emancipation Proclamation:

These idiots don't even remember that it was "the founders" who invaded this sovereign land, practically wiped out the natives, and imposed their will on non-Brits. "Shell of its former self"? Sigh.

247 stabby  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:08:12am

re: #246 efuseakay

One thing we all missed in the gun control debates of last week was the real purpose of the 2nd amendment.

Ask yourself what was going on back then, why did people need guns?

...

To fight the Indians.
To oppress the slaves.

Those are the meaning of the 2nd amendment, they were just too diplomatic to write that down.

Notice that the attitudes in gun culture haven't changed even if the targets are gone. It's still a culture based on considering whole populations of others to be the enemy!

It's still largely blacks, but because of crime or because of fantasies of a coming race war. In fact that's one reason that the tea party wants rid of ALL entitlements, because they have a fantasy that this will start a race war!

All that stuff about how guns protect liberty FROM THE GOVERNMENT is a modern, after the fact substitute for the original reasons, kill Indians, enslave blacks!

248 freetoken  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:11:03am

"January, Fireside", by Tchaikovsky:

249 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:15:21am

Good morning Lizardia!

Will this week's paycheck be smaller than last week's? Will I be able to feed my family and keep a roof over our heads?

250 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:25:59am

re: #249 Vicious Babushka

Not a spurious question to ask when so many Americans are living from paycheck to paycheck...

251 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:26:30am
252 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:37:28am

re: #251 Vicious Babushka

Follow the money.

253 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:48:38am

real americans hoard gold

254 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:50:22am

Our official national jackass, Howard Stern, has come out against an assault weapons ban.

255 simoom  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:20:29am



256 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:24:19am

re: #203 Kid A

Comment over at the King of Derp's website about the 150th anniversary of the Emancipation Proclamation:

These are the same people who are still pissed at Snake Plisskin for turning on Cliff Robertson's POTUS at the end of "Escape from LA". ;P

257 simoom  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:30:05am

re: #256 Feline Fearless Leader

These are the same people who are still pissed at Snake Plisskin for turning on Cliff Robertson's POTUS at the end of "Escape from LA". ;P


258 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:46:02am

re: #255 simoom


A few days ago, I got a latte from Starbucks and didn't start on it until I got home, at which point I discovered that they had completely neglected to put the espresso in it.

Handing someone a cup of vanilla-flavored hot milk is essentially the same as saying "Go Fuck Yourself", in my estimation.

259 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:46:48am

re: #258 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

a man of few words!
/

260 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:47:05am

Morning, Lizards!

Looks like #tcot is still a bastion of reasoned, rational conversation:

261 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:48:13am

re: #260 Lidane

Morning, Lizards!

Looks like #tcot is still a bastion of reasoned, rational conversation:

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I see that #tcot is a good source for The DERP List!.

262 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:51:19am

So, let me get this straight. Taxes will go up on the wealthy, and the tax cuts for the middle classes will remain in effect. And this is bad for most Americans how? The way the RWNJs are ranting, you'd think Congress had just passed a 90% tax rate on everyone.

263 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:52:39am

re: #262 wheat-dogghazi

So, let me get this straight. Taxes will go up on the wealthy, and the tax cuts for the middle classes will remain in effect. And this is bad for most Americans how? The way the RWNJs are ranting, you'd think Congress had just passed a 90% tax rate on everyone.

Job creators. Job creators. Job creators. Job creators.

264 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:54:18am

re: #263 Sol Berdinowitz

Job creators. Job creators. Job creators. Job creators.

My last job in the US was with a private high school. Not many multi-millionaires among its administrators, AFAIK.

265 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:54:57am

re: #262 wheat-dogghazi

So, let me get this straight. Taxes will go up on the wealthy, and the tax cuts for the middle classes will remain in effect. And this is bad for most Americans how? The way the RWNJs are ranting, you'd think Congress had just passed a 90% tax rate on everyone.

or maybe not

[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

From the Tax Policy Center in Washington. An arm of the Brookings Institute. Not exactly a RWNJ organization

266 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:55:19am

re: #262 wheat-dogghazi

So, let me get this straight. Taxes will go up on the wealthy, and the tax cuts for the middle classes will remain in effect. And this is bad for most Americans how? The way the RWNJs are ranting, you'd think Congress had just passed a 90% tax rate on everyone.

The temporary cut in payroll tax ended however I think. So there will be a tax effect on everyone.

Things are still a mess since I think the "compromise" skipped a number of items that still need to be addressed. Not to mention the need for a longer term fix since our current tax system is becoming more of a mess and we have a dysfunctional legislative system currently that is not interested in the necessary cooperative governance.

Sort of like turning over your household budget and financing control to a couple of 10-year-old children with emotional control issues and a competitive dislike for each other.

267 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:57:50am

re: #262 wheat-dogghazi

The way the RWNJs are ranting, you'd think Congress had just passed a 90% tax rate on everyone.

Oh, it gets better. Just look at the Freepers:

268 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:59:34am

re: #266 Feline Fearless Leader

OK. I got the details muddled in my head. Still, it's not that big a deal, a 2% rise, back to the levels before the temporary cuts, right? Yet these guys are calling for revolution, impeachment and a gutting of the GOP leadership.

Personally, I would not trust my budget to any 10-year-olds, thanks very much. I suspect the food and entertainment categories would rise precipitously.

269 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:01:49am

North Korean leader, in rare address, seeks end to confrontation with South
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
Kim Jong-un called for an end to confrontation between the two Koreas, technically still at war in the absence of a peace treaty to end their 1950-53 conflict, in a surprise New Year's broadcast on state media.

So here's what you do if you're serious, Kimmy

Step 1
Write up a peace treaty, sign it and send it to the South.
Step 2
Hope they accept

270 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:02:12am
271 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:03:43am

re: #262 wheat-dogghazi

This is what I've been saying. The tax plan that was adopted would have been cheered by the GOP if anyone other than President Obama was signing it into law.

It makes permanent the 2001/2003/2009 tax rate changes for those making under $400/450k and only those above face a resumption of the 39.6% tax rate in effect for the top tax bracket before the 2001 tax rate changes.

Capital gains rates remain at 15% for those making under $400/450k, those above that level see the rate rise to 20% or 23.8% (the higher rate is due to the tax imposed on high income earners to cover the PPACA changes).

However, the payroll tax rises back to 6.2% from 4.2%, affecting most taxpayers because that rate reduction was hoped to boost the economy during the recession.

BTW, the biggest item in the tax plan is making permanent the AMT patch. Instead of having an annual patch extended, they've made the patch permanent and it counts against the scoring to the tune of $1.8 trillion (as opposed to the total cost of $3.9 trillion over 10 years).

The cost is calculated comparing the law as in effect on January 1, 2013, which is where rates revert to their pre-2001 levels, plus no AMT patch.

Comparing the tax plan to what was in effect on 12/31/2012, and the new plan generates far more revenue and begins to close the spending gap.

272 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:03:44am

re: #270 Lidane

Another stellar economic expert weighs in. Like comparing apples and oranges.

273 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:04:06am

re: #263 Sol Berdinowitz

Job creators. Job creators. Job creators. Job creators.

Do you know what created some of the best, high-paying jobs in the past few years? THE AUTO INDUSTRY BAILOUT! Not the Waltons.

274 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:05:08am

re: #269 sattv4u2

North Korean leader, in rare address, seeks end to confrontation with South
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
Kim Jong-un called for an end to confrontation between the two Koreas, technically still at war in the absence of a peace treaty to end their 1950-53 conflict, in a surprise New Year's broadcast on state media.

So here's what you do if you're serious, Kimmy

Step 1
Write up a peace treaty, sign it and send it to the South.
Step 2
Hope they accept

Aren't we about due for their periodic offer to make some sort of deal in exchange for a sweetheart contract regarding getting food and tech? IIRC, they alternate between that and sabre-rattling exercises such as tossing missiles into the Pacific past Japan, artillery fire into islands disputed with South Korea, and the odd torpedoing of ships.

275 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:07:35am

re: #274 Feline Fearless Leader

Aren't we about due for their periodic offer to make some sort of deal in exchange for a sweetheart contract regarding getting food and tech? IIRC, they alternate between that and sabre-rattling exercises such as tossing missiles into the Pacific past Japan, artillery fire into islands disputed with South Korea, and the odd torpedoing of ships.

Exactically!

They have been playing Lucy to the worlds Charlie Brown, holding then pulling the football away at the last second for decades now

276 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:09:21am

One more for the Derp List:

277 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:09:26am

re: #244 Tigger2

There is a push by Dems to get out the kind of ground game like Obama had in '12' for "14' gonna try and treat it like a Presidential election.

Yup. Was hoping to lay back for a bit, but just got a slight whiff of napalm.
The OFA 4.0 is to be fielded in 60 days or so.

278 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:11:13am

re: #276 Lidane

The Pope is atheistic socialist Muslim Nazi!

279 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:14:21am

re: #275 sattv4u2

Exactically!

They have been playing Lucy to the worlds Charlie Brown, holding then pulling the football away at the last second for decades now

Also generally cheaper and less casualty-causing to pay the extortion than to buckle down and actually attempt to overturn the regime. It was obvious even to George that taking out that part of the so-called "axis of evil" was going to cost more political capital, money, and American warm bodies becoming cold ones than he and his advisers were willing to risk.

(Added "American" since I have doubts that some of the advisers considered non-American warm bodies in their calculations beyond the implied political costs in getting Japan, South Korea, and China involved in the process.)

280 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:15:51am

re: #270 Lidane

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Silly Teabagger, Austerity caused Greece's collapse. This avoids austerity in the US. In case you ever bothered to learn to read, you can learn all about this in "The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money" by JM Keynes.

281 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:18:44am

re: #280 William Barnett-Lewis

Silly Teabagger, Austerity caused Greece's collapse. This avoids austerity in the US. In case you ever bothered to learn to read, you can learn all about this in "The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money" by JM Keynes.

But reedin iz hard!

282 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:20:18am

FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 659
(Republicans in roman; Democrats in italic; Independents underlined)

H R 8 RECORDED VOTE 1-Jan-2013 10:57 PM
QUESTION: On Motion to Concur in the Senate Amendments
BILL TITLE: To extend certain tax relief provisions enacted in 2001 and 2003, and to provide for expedited consideration of a bill providing for comprehensive tax reform, and for other purposes

Ayes Noes PRES NV
Republican 85 151 5
Democratic 172 16 3
Independent
TOTALS 257 167 8

283 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:21:12am

Boehner voted yes.

284 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:29:47am

re: #283 Gus

Boehner voted yes.

As did Ryan

285 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:31:28am

Dow 13,104.14 (+1.28 %) +166.03
Nasdaq 3,019.51 (+2.00 %) +59.2
S&P 1,426.19 (+1.69 %)

Guess the markets liked what they got from the deal.

286 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:33:01am

re: #284 sattv4u2

As did Ryan

TREASONOUS RINOS!!11TY

287 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:33:04am

re: #282 Gus

8 "NV"s

How can one Not Vote on a bill of this magnitude?

They should have their parking space relegated to an outer lot till the next important vote
/

288 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:33:36am

re: #287 sattv4u2

8 "NV"s

How can one Not Vote on a bill of this magnitude?

They should have their parking space relegated to an outer lot till the next important vote
/

Absent maybe?

289 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:34:01am

re: #285 lawhawk

Dow 13,104.14 (+1.28 %) +166.03
Nasdaq 3,019.51 (+2.00 %) +59.2
S&P 1,426.19 (+1.69 %)

Guess the markets liked what THAT they got from the A deal.

It was the uncertainty that was holding it back. That there IS a deal breaks the logjam

290 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:34:43am

re: #288 Gus

Absent maybe?

Perhaps, so let me amend my 287

How can one BE ABSENT on a bill of this magnitude?

They should have their parking space relegated to an outer lot till the next important vote

291 dragonath  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:36:21am

Via the New York Times, check out how almost every representative voted for the bill on the West Coast and the Northeast- and the almost total absence of yeas from the South.

[Link: politics.nytimes.com...]

292 Mattand  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:36:29am

re: #260 Lidane

Morning, Lizards!

Looks like #tcot is still a bastion of reasoned, rational conversation:

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Just discovered what the acronym "tcot" means. Based on the tweets I'm seeing, the threshold for being considered a "top" conservative is pretty low.

293 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:38:47am

re: #291 dragonath

the Neo Confederate voting bloc

294 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:38:54am

re: #290 sattv4u2

Perhaps, so let me amend my 287

How can one BE ABSENT on a bill of this magnitude?

They should have their parking space relegated to an outer lot till the next important vote

Dan Burton did not win reelection. John Lewis's wife died recently. Ron Paul... you would think he'd vote no. Maybe they're just honey badgers.

295 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:38:55am

re: #288 Gus

These are the Present but did not votes:

Marie Buerkle R NY-25
Dan Burton R IN-5
Sam Graves R MO-6
Jerry Lewis R CA-41
John Lewis D GA-5
Ron Paul R TX-14
Pete Stark D CA-13
Lynn Woolsey D CA-6

296 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:41:08am

re: #265 sattv4u2

or maybe not

[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

From the Tax Policy Center in Washington. An arm of the Brookings Institute. Not exactly a RWNJ organization

mostly because of the expiration of a payroll tax cut,

Upholding that tax cut was a Democratic position; defeating it was the GOP one. So this makes the GOP look slightly worse.

297 Mattand  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:41:14am

From the Moving the Goalposts Department:

Grover Norquist: I'm OK with cliff deal

Right, Grover. Whatever you say.

298 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:41:32am

re: #295 lawhawk

Jerry Lewis R CA-41

Maybe he had a New Years Eve gig with Dean Martin in Vegas
/

299 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:41:40am

re: #291 dragonath

Via the New York Times, check out how almost every representative voted for the bill on the West Coast and the Northeast- and the almost total absence of yeas from the South.

[Link: politics.nytimes.com...]

South Dakota and Oklahoma are rather interesting. Looks like in Colorado we have the usual with the Denver Metro area and into the ski areas.

300 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:42:32am

Burton is retiring,I believe.

301 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:43:06am

re: #285 lawhawk

Dow 13,104.14 (+1.28 %) +166.03
Nasdaq 3,019.51 (+2.00 %) +59.2
S&P 1,426.19 (+1.69 %)

Guess the markets liked what they got from the deal.

Now...
13334.53 +230.39 (1.76%)

302 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:43:52am

re: #300 wheat-dogghazi

Burton is retiring,I believe.

Yep.

303 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:50:37am

Over the holidays, another friend of mine died over the holidays-- a forty-three year old New London police officer who died of complications from cancer. The cancers were very aggressive, and the time from diagnoisis to death was short. However, even though he had excellent insurance through the police, the medical bills during his short illness skyrocketed and his recent widow is spending half of every day trying to sort through the mess and figure out what she actually owes, what his insurance is really supposed to cover, etc. A member of the police benevolent association is helping her, but it is still horrifically depressing for her.

This is another reason to switch to a single-payer system. The stress and pain of dealing with the arbitrary bureaucracies of the insurance companies, the lack of clarity, and the antagonistic relationship between the companies and their clients makes for sad, sad scenes like this one.

It is immensely frustrating that we're having to move heaven and earth just to pass a simple goddamn budget and prevent the country from going over the fiscal cliff, much less able to move forward on many issues that the country desperately needs. I hope the GOP does split over this issue, because goddamn we need to take action on so many fronts and the Party of No is dooming this country.

304 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:50:54am

re: #302 Gus

I guess he figures he doesn't need to vote. I looked into his background a little. Interestingly enough, his second wife is Arab-American and was his first wife's internist during her cancer treatment.

Burton is from the Fort Wayne area. I used to live in the New Albany area. Todd Young (R-9th IN) voted nay. Yarmuth (D-3rd KY) across the river voted aye.

305 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:53:10am

re: #291 dragonath

Via the New York Times, check out how almost every representative voted for the bill on the West Coast and the Northeast- and the almost total absence of yeas from the South.

[Link: politics.nytimes.com...]

And interestingly, the west coast and the northeast have a much higher percentage of millionaires than the South.

[Link: www.netstate.com...]

306 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:56:57am

Firebagger.

307 aagcobb  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:03:59am

re: #221 Kid A

From Erick Son of Erick:

It amazes me. They just won a permanent tax cut for everyone, even the richest, except for income in excess of $400k, which effects less thasn 1% of Americans, in return all they gave up was a 2 month delay in massive spending cuts via sequestration, and you'd think Obama just nationalized the economy. Perhaps whining is their negotiation strategy; it seems to be working.

308 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:06:49am

re: #254 Shiplord Kirel

Our official national jackass, Howard Stern, has come out against an assault weapons ban.

Finally, Howard Stern says something I agree with.

309 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:07:01am

Derp. Brian Kilmeade.

310 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:07:11am

re: #307 aagcobb

It amazes me. They just won a permanent tax cut for everyone, even the richest, except for income in excess of $400k, which effects less thasn 1% of Americans, in return all they gave up was a 2 month delay in massive spending cuts via sequestration, and you'd think Obama just nationalized the economy. Perhaps whining is their negotiation strategy; it seems to be working.

Some people just want to watch the world burn.

311 aagcobb  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:07:26am

re: #249 Vicious Babushka

Good morning Lizardia!

Will this week's paycheck be smaller than last week's? Will I be able to feed my family and keep a roof over our heads?

A regressive tax, the payroll tax, is going up.

312 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:08:22am

re: #310 Targetpractice

Some people just want to watch the world burn.

Upding for The Dark Knight quote.

313 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:08:36am

re: #311 aagcobb

A regressive tax, the payroll tax, is going up.

But that shouldn't affect the 47% since they're unemployed freeloaders who don't have to pay it.

314 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:10:08am

re: #300 wheat-dogghazi

Burton is retiring,I believe.

As is Ron Paul. That's probably why they didn't vote on the deal.

315 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:11:28am

To: Daveinyork

Jeez, Jindal. What a fool! The reason they want OTC is to let men buy them for underage gals, including teen “white slave” prostitutes.

Contraceptives kill thousands of women and young girls every year, and more widely help force women into unwanted sex. So much for freedom.

6 posted on Friday, December 14, 2012 7:44:11 AM by Missouri gal

316 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:12:32am

re: #314 Dark_Falcon

As is Ron Paul. That's probably why they didn't vote on the deal.

He's headed for the Grid.
/

317 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:20:52am

re: #314 Dark_Falcon

As is Ron Paul. That's probably why they didn't vote on the deal.

Woah, not even the heroic warrior of freedum Ron Paul voted against the deal?

I am grateful for this collapse of the GOP, but I can't say I expected it. I also find it deeply fucking weird that they'd compromise on this and then still not vote on the Sandy stuff, so that they still look like obstructionist shitheads.

318 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:21:12am

Boom!

319 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:22:40am

re: #254 Shiplord Kirel

Our official national jackass, Howard Stern, has come out against an assault weapons ban.

?

320 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:23:07am
321 Joanne  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:28:42am

re: #171 Lidane

Hahaha. Oh man. The next GOP primaries will be hilarious:

[For 2016, I'm flexible. Palin/West or West/Palin. I could go either way. #tcot
]

I'd laugh, but almost all of the GOP falls into the Palin, West, Bachmann, Rubio, Paul mold. None of them understand governing or policy. Some talk a good game (other's just speak from under tin foil hats), but none of them understand policy or how government functions one whit.

We're Greece! (Really? What's our productivity compared to Greece? Debt to GDP v. Greece?)

If We Ran Our Household Budget Like The Government.... (I have news for you. The government cannot and must not run its house like you and I run ours.)

The lack of understanding about public policy, government in general, and economics are so stunning it should terrify every American with two functioning brain cells.

322 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:28:44am

You'd think the governor of PA would possibly have more important things to do and causes to support, wouldn't you?

[Link: usnews.nbcnews.com...]

323 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:30:28am

Guess he'll never get that 100,000 dollar photo.

324 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:32:06am

re: #322 Feline Fearless Leader

You'd think the governor of PA would possibly have more important things to do and causes to support, wouldn't you?

[Link: usnews.nbcnews.com...]

Why does it not surprise me that their bitching point is not that the money is being paid, but that it's being spent outside Pennsylvania?

325 Joanne  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:32:11am

re: #311 aagcobb

A regressive tax, the payroll tax, is going up.

Would you prefer Social Security continue to be starved of funding? Because that is the dream of the GOP so they can say it is unsustainable and thus to be permanently removed as the cancerous growth that they view it as?

326 stabby  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:32:37am

re: #297 Mattand

From the Moving the Goalposts Department:

Grover Norquist: I'm OK with cliff deal

Right, Grover. Whatever you say.

I disagree! As usual, the Republicans won, but whine about winning as if it was losing.

327 stabby  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:35:01am

re: #325 Joanne

Would you prefer Social Security continue to be starved of funding? Because that is the dream of the GOP so they can say it is unsustainable and thus to be permanently removed as the cancerous growth that they view it as?

The right thing to do would be to stop it from being regressive. That would raise a lot more money, and not hurt the economy or the poor.

328 aagcobb  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:36:06am

re: #325 Joanne

Would you prefer Social Security continue to be starved of funding? Because that is the dream of the GOP so they can say it is unsustainable and thus to be permanently removed as the cancerous growth that they view it as?

Social security isn't exactly "starved". There is a massive trust fund to keep paying benefits in full after payroll taxes start falling short in 20 years. Raising taxes on working people right now is bad economics because that reduces demand for goods and services at a time when millions of Americans are out of work. I wouldn't oppose raising it again once we get back to full employment.

329 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:39:53am

GOP complaining that there aren't spending cuts to go along with the tax cuts. That's hilarious considering that no cuts offset any of the 2001/2003/2009 tax plans. Now, they're suddenly demanding a dismantling of the safety net and programs that are funded separately (via the payroll tax).

Mind you that the bulk of the cost for the enacted 2012 tax act is due to making permanent the AMT patch. That's $1.8 trillion over 10 years.

Here's how the math really works out.

Without the patch, income is subjected to the AMT at a far lower amount. The CBO and JCT both look at law as it exists when making projections. So, when they forecast looking out, the AMT captured more and more income tax revenues due to hitting at a lower income tax level. Temporary patches just pushed the number forward, but eventually the AMT would hit at the lower level.

A permanent fix, as here, means that the income is now permanently off the books but is treated as a cost based on the law as in effect on 12/31.

We would never see that income in any event because of the annual patch dance done by Congress, but the CBO and JCT have to treat it in any event because that's how the law is written.

The AMT portion simply makes permanent what Congress has been doing for decades.

Bump that off the final CBO/JCT and there's still a sizable cost ($2.1t over 10 years), but that's again compared to the pre-2001 tax rates that just took effect for a day (the law as written - where tax rates rose to the pre-2001 levels). This act makes permanent the 2001 tax rates for everyone except those making over $400k/$450k.

For all of their whining, the GOP got much of what they've been calling for all along (permanently reducing the tax rates and making permanent the tax cuts so as to leverage future spending cuts - the back door approach to reducing government spending). They got the tax side done for the most part, but they're bitching that the tax act didn't include the spending cuts.

That'll be the battleground going into the new fiscal cliff talks that will conclude in the hours leading up to the next due date - 2 months from now.

330 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:41:07am

re: #323 Gus

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Guess he'll never get that 100,000 dollar photo.

The death of someone who is not evil is never a good thing, but in this case I hope some good can come of this death, and that the paparazzi learn that some things aren't worth profiting from to be more careful.

Had to edit that post, since saying something's not worth profiting from will cause your local Republican organization to take away your GOP Card.

/kidding

331 Mattand  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:42:41am

re: #326 stabby

I disagree! As usual, the Republicans won, but whine about winning as if it was losing.

Grover's splitting hairs and you know it. Taxes went up on the only group of Americans Republicans care about: the rich.

332 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:43:56am

re: #330 Dark_Falcon

The death of someone who is not evil is never a good thing, but in this case I hope some good can come of this death, and that the paparazzi learn that some things aren't worth profiting from to be more careful.

Had to edit that post, since saying something's not worth profiting from will cause your local Republican organization to take away your GOP Card.

/kidding

You have to be careful out there with your head on a swivel. Look around 360 degrees. Listen for cars. Watch for cars that might be parked and about to pull out. Never assume someone sees you. Never assume people will stop at a traffic signal. All it takes is one simple mistake and before you know it you're dead. Gone.

333 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:47:18am

And yes. Jaywalking is another way to get yourself killed. The most dangerous place being just short of the intersection and not in the middle of the block.

334 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:47:50am

re: #328 aagcobb

The payroll tax reduction was always meant to be limited in time but it was extended in the depths of the recession. That was a fair resolution, but the recession is over, and while unemployment rates aren't near where they should be, there's been significant improvement in many parts of the country and sectors of the economy.

Perhaps it's time to subject income over the first $110k to the payroll tax. Current law exempts all income over that level from the payroll tax. Raising that level would further resolve the pending trust fund gap going forward. In many respects, the payroll tax is more regressive since it affects low-income earners much more than high income earners - both in real dollars and in percentage of income.

Someone making $100k would have $6,200 taken out in payroll tax - 6.2% of their total income.

Someone making $1 million would have $6,826.20 taken out of payroll taxes (6.2% of the income up to $110,100). That works out to .68% of total income.

335 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:47:52am

re: #332 Gus

You have to be careful out there with your head on a swivel. Look around 360 degrees. Listen for cars. Watch for cars that might be parked and about to pull out. Never assume someone sees you. Never assume people will stop at a traffic signal. All it takes is one simple mistake and before you know it you're dead. Gone.

I sometimes will tap on the hood of cars I need to go in front of if the driver hasn't clearly seen me. I got honked at loudly once, but its worth that risk to ensure that the driver sees me before I cross.

336 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:50:35am

re: #335 Dark_Falcon

In NJ, drivers are required to stop when someone is in the crosswalk, but drivers repeatedly and continually ignore the law. Coming home from work, I have to cross a street where one of these signs are posted - and even crossing in the crosswalk with that rule puts your life in your own hands. I've had experiences with cars that blew through - accelerating even - to avoid having to stop for pedestrians. Nearly got run over a couple of times - and I had one driver get out of the car and got irate with me because I yelled at him because he wasn't stopping. Should have called the cops on his sorry excuse for an ass.

337 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:51:06am

HOw is it this morning.

I woke to an article about my town. For the first time in 6 decades there have been ZERO murders. We are the 2nd largest city in Illinois and have, in the past, been known as a bad, bad city as far as crime and gangs go.

Yes, people have guns in Aurora, but I don't recall any major change in gun laws that would would coincide with the reduction in crime. I think it is a a result of a concerted effort on law enforcement.

Pretty cool really.

338 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:52:03am

re: #335 Dark_Falcon

I sometimes will tap on the hood of cars I need to go in front of if the driver hasn't clearly seen me. I got honked at loudly once, but its worth that risk to ensure that the driver sees me before I cross.

I almost got hit twice in SF. Once a van cam to a halt right in front of me. I was screaming blood murder and whacked the driver with my umbrella. He bolted. Another time a Honda came to a halt right at me. Stopped just in time but I had to bend at the knees to avoid the bumper. I had the green light in both cases.

339 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:52:30am

re: #336 lawhawk

In NJ, drivers are required to stop when someone is in the crosswalk, but drivers repeatedly and continually ignore the law. Coming home from work, I have to cross a street where one of these signs are posted - and even crossing in the crosswalk with that rule puts your life in your own hands. I've had experiences with cars that blew through - accelerating even - to avoid having to stop for pedestrians. Nearly got run over a couple of times - and I had one driver get out of the car and got irate with me because I yelled at him because he wasn't stopping. Should have called the cops on his sorry excuse for an ass.

the phrase "pedestrians have the right-of-way" comes to mind. I don't know if it's law or just something that has been rattling around in my brain.

340 Renaissance_Man  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:52:41am

re: #308 Dark_Falcon

Finally, Howard Stern says something I agree with.

Oh please. You aren't any more pro-gun than you are pro-'traditional marriage'.

You don't own guns. You aren't a longtime shooter, hunter, or ex-military. You don't have any sort of concealed carry status. You don't have any reason to be 'pro-gun' except that you think it's something you should be because your 'team' is.

You are, like most Americans, wilfully underinformed about the real-life effects of civilian firearm ownership. The negative statistics undermining guns for self-defence are sobering and undeniable, much like the facts underpinning climate change. They are not matters of opinion. Insisting otherwise is like denying climate change or being a creationist. Yet you hope to stay as ignorant as possible so you can continue to support your 'team' line, despite their woeful track record of ignoring facts, and despite the fact that even you can't support it on other factual issues such as climate change and evolution.

341 aagcobb  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:53:31am

re: #329 lawhawk

For all of their whining, the GOP got much of what they've been calling for all along (permanently reducing the tax rates and making permanent the tax cuts so as to leverage future spending cuts - the back door approach to reducing government spending). They got the tax side done for the most part, but they're bitching that the tax act didn't include the spending cuts.

That'll be the battleground going into the new fiscal cliff talks that will conclude in the hours leading up to the next due date - 2 months from now.

Exactly, and now that the tax issue has been resolved, I don't see where the Democrats get leverage to prevent massive spending cuts from happening automatically, except that many conservatives don't want defense spending decreased (except Rand Paul).

342 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:54:01am

re: #336 lawhawk

In NJ, drivers are required to stop when someone is in the crosswalk, but drivers repeatedly and continually ignore the law. Coming home from work, I have to cross a street where one of these signs are posted - and even crossing in the crosswalk with that rule puts your life in your own hands. I've had experiences with cars that blew through - accelerating even - to avoid having to stop for pedestrians. Nearly got run over a couple of times - and I had one driver get out of the car and got irate with me because I yelled at him because he wasn't stopping. Should have called the cops on his sorry excuse for an ass.

California too. I have a theory about that law and it's simple. You wait at the crosswalk behind the curb and wait for all cars to stop. You also have to look for cars behind the other cars which might not stop in time. You don't just walk from the curb and into oncoming traffic expecting them to stop.

343 Four More Tears  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:54:40am

re: #318 Gus

Video:

[Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]

344 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:54:40am

re: #328 aagcobb

Social security isn't exactly "starved". There is a massive trust fund to keep paying benefits in full after payroll taxes start falling short in 20 years. Raising taxes on working people right now is bad economics because that reduces demand for goods and services at a time when millions of Americans are out of work. I wouldn't oppose raising it again once we get back to full employment.

Is there really an actual Trust Fund?

345 dragonath  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:55:09am

re: #337 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Yes, people have guns in Aurora, but I don't recall any major change in gun laws that would would coincide with the reduction in crime. I think it is a a result of a concerted effort on law enforcement.

Pretty cool really.

Wayne's World! Party Time! Excellent!!

346 Political Atheist  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:56:28am

re: #340 Renaissance_Man

I disagree somewhat with Dark on the assault weapon ban, but it seem obvious to me that anyone can speak for using the individual right written in the Second Amendment and now confirmed by SCOTUS.

347 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:56:31am

re: #336 lawhawk

In NJ, drivers are required to stop when someone is in the crosswalk, but drivers repeatedly and continually ignore the law. Coming home from work, I have to cross a street where one of these signs are posted - and even crossing in the crosswalk with that rule puts your life in your own hands. I've had experiences with cars that blew through - accelerating even - to avoid having to stop for pedestrians. Nearly got run over a couple of times - and I had one driver get out of the car and got irate with me because I yelled at him because he wasn't stopping. Should have called the cops on his sorry excuse for an ass.

I am very leery in crosswalks - get across the street fast and avoid interacting with the cars since you generally only get to lose once as a pedestrian regardless of your being right or wrong about precedence. Gets remarked on by my coworkers.

And pedestrians in Philly are odd ducks. Lots of jaywalking, but that is not surprising in a city. But I notice the odd habit here of pedestrians waiting for a light to change often standing 3-4' out into the street already.

Closest I came to getting hit in the past six years here was crossing a two-land street (Pine) right after the light changed in my favor. Something (probably peripheral vision) made me delay my first step into the street right as a Philadelphia police car blew through the intersection against the light at about 35mph - no siren, no lights, just ran the traffic light.

348 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:56:34am

re: #343 Four More Tears

Video:

[Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]

Haven't watched yet. On a stupid 5G card here. But seriously, he might abandon the GOP? That would be something. I'll assume he'd go (I).

349 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:56:39am

re: #315 Gus

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hahahahahahahahahahahaha

AHA

DEEP BREATHE

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH!

350 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:57:03am

DERP

351 aagcobb  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:57:41am

re: #344 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Is there really an actual Trust Fund?

There are a whole bunch of Treasury bonds; and absolutely no reason to think they won't be honored. Social Security is not driving federal spending up in decades ahead. Medical expenditures are, and there are lots of ways to curb them in the decades to come.

352 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:58:44am

re: #347 Feline Fearless Leader

Same in NYC. People will stand 3-4 feet out in to the street because that's the only way to see around parked cars in many instances. Increases the chances of getting clipped by cars that turn.

Some cities, including NYC are changing this behavior by building bumpouts for pedestrians at corners. This way, pedestrians remain on the curb and cars remain separated from pedestrians.

353 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:00:05am

Peter King is trending.

354 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:01:08am

re: #340 Renaissance_Man

With weapons its different. I have a serious love of firepower, and I've never liked the idea of disarmament. To me, there will always be assholes wanting to take what isn't theirs. Proper citizens should be able to own the means to deal with said assholes themselves if the assholes try to rob or rape them.

355 Joanne  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:01:29am

re: #327 stabby

The right thing to do would be to stop it from being regressive. That would raise a lot more money, and not hurt the economy or the poor.

And this would get past the Congress how?

356 dragonath  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:03:16am

Adjourning the house last night meant that the House GOP didn't want to set the precedent of having two bills passed in lieu of the Hastert Rule.

A nice reminder that parliamentary tactics are more important than people- not exactly how the framers intended, I think.

357 romans828  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:03:44am

re: #65 makeitstop

Ron Paul did not vote? That is surprising.

358 Joanne  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:04:10am

re: #328 aagcobb

Social security isn't exactly "starved". There is a massive trust fund to keep paying benefits in full after payroll taxes start falling short in 20 years. Raising taxes on working people right now is bad economics because that reduces demand for goods and services at a time when millions of Americans are out of work. I wouldn't oppose raising it again once we get back to full employment.

I am not disagreeing with what you're saying. I don't think now is the time to raise the payroll tax. It would have to be removed at some point, though.

If this was the only way to get the asshole GOP to approve the bill yesterday (my biggest concern was the sequester, because the government reducing spending now would be incredibly insane), and that was, at least - and I mean very least, has been pushed back a couple of months. That alone would have crashed the economy. And not just the US economy...it would have caused at global recession - recession at a minimum.

359 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:04:16am
360 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:04:56am

re: #352 lawhawk

Same in NYC. People will stand 3-4 feet out in to the street because that's the only way to see around parked cars in many instances. Increases the chances of getting clipped by cars that turn.

Some cities, including NYC are changing this behavior by building bumpouts for pedestrians at corners. This way, pedestrians remain on the curb and cars remain separated from pedestrians.

1st grade class at St. Finbar's in Brooklyn. One our fellow students was killed after coming out between two parked cars - baseball. They made us go to his funeral. Open casket, his family was there, mother crying loudly. It was a lesson for us. My mom never allowed us out on the streets alone.

361 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:05:38am
362 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:06:04am

re: #356 dragonath

Adjourning the house last night meant that the House GOP didn't want to set the precedent of having two bills passed in lieu of the Hastert Rule.

A nice reminder that parliamentary tactics are more important than people- not exactly how the framers intended, I think.

I think they knew it would sometimes work out that way. The Constitution was set up with the knowledge that sometimes assholes obtain significant political power, and one of the aims of the Constitution was to ensure that said assholes would be obstructed from using that power to take away the negative rights of others.

363 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:07:13am

re: #360 Gus

1st grade class at St. Finbar's in Brooklyn. One our fellow students was killed after coming out between two parked cars - baseball. They made us go to his funeral. Open casket, his family was there, mother crying loudly. It was a lesson for us. My mom never allowed us out on the streets alone.

I virtually crawl thru neighborhoods with kids. I'm terrified of the kid runnning after a ball into the street.

364 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:08:20am

Is there any other country in the world in which a leader voluntarily (sometimes very happily) gives-up power routinely every 4-8 years?

365 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:08:48am

re: #361 Gus

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To start one would be a mistake anyway. The voters aren't going to elect a congressman without executive experience to the White House. They sometimes will vote in a Senator, but not a congressman.

366 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:09:03am

For those keeping count, this is the second time in as many years that the GOP has completely screwed over the NYC metro area.

First, they dithered and dickered over the Zadroga compensation act for Ground Zero workers affected by ailments caused by 9/11.

Now, they've delayed and deferred the Sandy reconstruction bill.

Some in the GOP are claiming that this was because Democrats larded up the bill with pork and they produced a bill that was less than half what NY, NJ, and CT requested - including the requests made by Gov. Christie (a GOPer) and the Republican delegations in both NY and NJ.

Yet, none of the GOP leaders could actually summon up the courage to put this to a floor vote because it would most surely pass in the same kind of fashion that the 2012 tax act just did (basically eviscerating the Hastert rule). It was about preserving the power for the House GOP leaders, not doing what was best for the country.

Don't think that this will be forgotten anytime soon. Not by a long shot.

367 dragonath  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:09:31am

How fitting that the modus operandi of the GOP was named after a bloated, corpulent, corrupt party hack.

368 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:09:44am

re: #364 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Is there any other country in the world in which a leader voluntarily (sometimes very happily) gives-up power routinely every 4-8 years?

Brazil and Mexico are two such nations nowadays.

369 Four More Tears  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:09:47am

re: #366 lawhawk

For those keeping count, this is the second time in as many years that the GOP has completely screwed over the NYC metro area.

First, they dithered and dickered over the Zadroga compensation act for Ground Zero workers affected by ailments caused by 9/11.

Now, they've delayed and deferred the Sandy reconstruction bill.

Some in the GOP are claiming that this was because Democrats larded up the bill with pork and they produced a bill that was less than half what NY, NJ, and CT requested - including the requests made by Gov. Christie (a GOPer) and the Republican delegations in both NY and NJ.

Yet, none of the GOP leaders could actually summon up the courage to put this to a floor vote because it would most surely pass in the same kind of fashion that the 2012 tax act just did (basically eviscerating the Hastert rule). It was about preserving the power for the House GOP leaders, not doing what was best for the country.

Don't think that this will be forgotten anytime soon. Not by a long shot.

New York serves as a prop for the GOP when it suits them.

370 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:10:25am

re: #368 Dark_Falcon

Brazil and Mexico are two such nations nowadays.

It's a rather rare thing in history, I know. Sad to think it's rather rare nowadays. Probably George Washington's greatest legacy.

371 dragonath  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:11:54am

re: #370 Holidays are Family Fun Time

It's a rather rare thing in history, I know. Sad to think it's rather rare nowadays.

But Putin... is so "virile"...

Alpha Male! Alpha Male!

372 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:14:50am

re: #365 Dark_Falcon

To start one would be a mistake anyway. The voters aren't going to elect a congressman without executive experience to the White House. They sometimes will vote in a Senator, but not a congressman.

Erickson is such a reactionary. JUMP!

373 Political Atheist  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:16:01am

(CNN) - For all the stalemate in the fiscal cliff negotiations, there were some heated moments, too.

A Democratic source familiar with one particular exchange told CNN that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell were sitting on a sofa in the White House.

House Speaker John Boehner breezed in and his first words to Reid were "Go f*** yourself."

Boehner's comment came after Reid took to the Senate floor on Thursday and characterized the House speaker's handling of his chamber as a "dictatorship."

Reid responded to Boehner's confrontational tone by laughing, the Democratic source said, though a GOP source who was there said he didn't think Reid was all that happy.

"The exchange continued, and it didn't get any better for Reid," the GOP source said.

375 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:17:14am

Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

The secret arrests and detentions came to light Dec. 21 when the suspects made a brief appearance in a Brooklyn courtroom.

The men are the latest example of how the Obama administration has embraced rendition — the practice of holding and interrogating terrorism suspects in other countries without due process — despite widespread condemnation of the tactic in the years after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

376 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:17:15am
377 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:17:59am

re: #373 Political Atheist

(CNN) - For all the stalemate in the fiscal cliff negotiations, there were some heated moments, too.

A Democratic source familiar with one particular exchange told CNN that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell were sitting on a sofa in the White House.

House Speaker John Boehner breezed in and his first words to Reid were "Go f*** yourself."

Boehner's comment came after Reid took to the Senate floor on Thursday and characterized the House speaker's handling of his chamber as a "dictatorship."

Reid responded to Boehner's confrontational tone by laughing, the Democratic source said, though a GOP source who was there said he didn't think Reid was all that happy.

"The exchange continued, and it didn't get any better for Reid," the GOP source said.

Congress is a good bit nastier than it used to be.

378 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:18:05am

re: #376 Gus

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I think he meant "aid." :D

379 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:19:58am
380 dragonath  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:20:01am

BTW, here's a page on Wikipedia that has a list of all the legislation that passed the 112th congress.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Hot stuff.

381 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:20:25am

re: #374 FemNaziBitch

More people have been killed in the Syrian civil war (upwards of 60,000), than all those killed in the Arab Israeli conflict from 1948-2013.

382 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:21:42am
According to a recent report in the Annals of Internal Medicine, the two perpetrators were in cahoots with the restaurant down the street, and they wanted to give it a "competitive advantage" by sickening their rivals' diners.

Such competitive poisoning is not unheard of in China. Just last year, The AP reported on a local dairy farmer who intentionally tainted his competitor's milk supply with nitrite.

In the eggplant incident, the miscreants hid the drug clonidine – a white, odorless powder – in the restaurant's starch. When the chefs thickened up the braised eggplant with the starch, they inadvertently served up a few nearly toxic stir-fries.

All diners that ate eggplant for lunch on April 23, 2010, fell sick almost immediately, the report says. They got dizzy and tired, suffered from nausea and blurred vision, and even started vomiting.

At a local hospital, doctors discovered potentially toxic levels of clonidine in their blood. They treated the patients for low blood pressure and within 48 hours, all their symptoms resolved.

Police eventually discovered the drug in the restaurant's starch and traced it to the neighboring restaurant. The two perpetrators were convicted and sentenced to one year in prison, the report says.

383 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:21:52am

re: #318 Gus

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Boom!

Related:

384 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:22:25am

re: #381 lawhawk

More people have been killed in the Syrian civil war (upwards of 60,000), than all those killed in the Arab Israeli conflict from 1948-2013.

so sad.

385 Joanne  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:22:33am

re: #377 Dark_Falcon

Congress is a good bit nastier than it used to be.

The only saving grace is that they're not punching each other out as they have done in other countries.

386 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:23:09am

re: #380 dragonath

BTW, here's a page on Wikipedia that has a list of all the legislation that passed the 112th congress.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Hot stuff.

Word Frequency

act 149
title 96
short 90
service 50
nam 41
federal 35
unit 33
postal 32

387 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:23:16am

re: #381 lawhawk

More people have been killed in the Syrian civil war (upwards of 60,000), than all those killed in the Arab Israeli conflict from 1948-2013.

But those killed in Syria will be ignored, since their deaths cannot be pinned on Israel.

388 dragonath  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:23:38am

re: #379 Gus

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You know, that's what I was suspecting last night. Boehner was probably pissed that his whips ended up voting against his bill so he exercised what authority he had to make sure Cantor, et al. wouldn't have anything to undermine him with.

389 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:24:41am

re: #381 lawhawk

More people have been killed in the Syrian civil war (upwards of 60,000), than all those killed in the Arab Israeli conflict from 1948-2013.

Vietnam War: 58,220 US dead.

390 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:25:40am

re: #385 Joanne

The only saving grace is that they're not punching each other out as they have done in other countries.

Honestly? I'd rather see them punching each other out. At least then they'd get their bullshit settled out in the open rather than sticking it into their respective bills.

391 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:26:35am
392 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:27:05am

Hope he's pissed! :)

393 Mattand  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:29:06am

re: #347 Feline Fearless Leader

I am very leery in crosswalks - get across the street fast and avoid interacting with the cars since you generally only get to lose once as a pedestrian regardless of your being right or wrong about precedence. Gets remarked on by my coworkers.

And pedestrians in Philly are odd ducks. Lots of jaywalking, but that is not surprising in a city. But I notice the odd habit here of pedestrians waiting for a light to change often standing 3-4' out into the street already.

Closest I came to getting hit in the past six years here was crossing a two-land street (Pine) right after the light changed in my favor. Something (probably peripheral vision) made me delay my first step into the street right as a Philadelphia police car blew through the intersection against the light at about 35mph - no siren, no lights, just ran the traffic light.

I nearly got plastered by the Septa 42 bus at an intersection on Walnut years ago. He was gonna make that light, vehicular manslaughter be damned.

I'm pretty sure I nearly got hit by a car with Bill Cosby in the passenger seat at 7th and Chestnut. Can't say for certain.

394 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:29:08am

re: #391 Gus

Dear Gov. Christie,

Plz to give this press conference in your fleece jacket. You know, just to reinforce the point that you were on the ground working during the storm.

Also, please feel free to insult everyone who passed on this bill. Kthx.

Waiting gleefully,
Me

395 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:30:04am

re: #394 Lidane

Dear Gov. Christie,

Plz to give this press conference in your fleece jacket. You know, just to reinforce the point that you were on the ground working during the storm.

Also, please feel free to insult everyone who passed on this bill. Kthx.

Waiting gleefully,
Me

Might have to be on a 2 second delay. //

396 Mattand  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:30:33am

re: #391 Gus

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I think this is going to be one of the rare times I actually agree with my esteemed (es-steamed?) governor.

397 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:31:09am

Boehner's a goner.

398 Four More Tears  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:31:53am

re: #397 Gus

Boehner's a goner.

Jeez, what kind of tears is he going to produce if that happens?

399 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:32:02am

As Gus and I were discussing yesterday, turns out that a straight vote on the 2012 Act would pass. It was the GOP leaders who were holding this up on the optics, not the substance of the bill:

400 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:32:03am

re: #387 Dark_Falcon

But those killed in Syria will be ignored, since their deaths cannot be pinned on Israel.

It's not getting the same attention because it is a civil war. The UN and it's members pointedly stay out of internal conflicts. But this isn't just a conflict.

401 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:32:26am

re: #397 Gus

Boehner's a goner.

The thrill is gone?

402 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:32:38am

re: #390 Lidane

Honestly? I'd rather see them punching each other out. At least then they'd get their bullshit settled out in the open rather than sticking it into their respective bills.

If that had happened, you'd have been watching the Ryan Plan sail through Congress. Paul Ryan ain't the sort of guy you'd want to get in a fight with, since he's quite strong and he's not the sort to show mercy once he has the advantage.

403 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:33:37am

You knew this was going to happen: Wingnuts blaming payroll tax increase on OBAMA even though it was GOP which refused to vote for the extension.

404 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:33:50am
405 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:34:02am

re: #401 FemNaziBitch

The thrill is gone?

Even a fool can see,
there's nothing left between 'em.

406 Four More Tears  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:34:54am
407 Four More Tears  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:35:14am

re: #406 Four More Tears

Oh yeah. This is gonna be fun.

408 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:36:15am

NJ Congressional delegation is pissed at #Sandy aid package getting killed by Boehner and GOP leaders.

“It’s a disaster dealing with a disaster,” said Rep. Frank LoBiondo (R-2), who represents the southern coast of New Jersey, which was devastated by the October storm. “To say I’m angry and disappointed would be an understatement.”

“It was a total shock — a commitment had been made,” added Frank Pallone, (D-6), who represents the northern part of the shore. “The issue wasn’t whether it would come up – it was when it would come up. There was no explanation.”

While House representatives try to piece together why the vote was called off today, several sources have confirmed that House members have a meeting scheduled with Rep. Eric Cantor, (R-Va.) the House’s Majority leader, in an effort to convene members for the Sandy aid vote before Congress adjourns Thursday. If Congress adjourns without voting on the bill, the process in both the House and Senate would have to start again, said LoBiondo – causing delays that could seriously impact recovery efforts.

“Every tick of the clock works against us now,” LoBiondo said.

House Republicans proposed their $27 billion Sandy disaster aid proposal Wedneday – a scaled-back version of the $60 billion package which passed the Senate last Friday. But LoBiondo and Pallone and others are pushing for the full $60 billion to rebuild their communities, they both said.

Mind you that both NY and NJ governors, plus CT had estimated the damage from Sandy at $87 billion. The Obama request was for $60 billion. So, the House GOP plan would be a third of what the damage tally really is, and they're claiming that it's the prudent plan?

They claim that the $60b plan was larded up with pork, and that the $27b was more targeted and focused, but they ignore that one can't simply build back as things were - it leaves everyone exposed to the same damage for the next inevitable storm. It's got to be built back better and stronger - more durable. That's more costly.

If anything, the Katrina experience was lost on the GOP. Again.

409 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:36:30am

re: #402 Dark_Falcon

Would this have been before or after he tethered his career to Mitt Romney?

Also, the Ryan Plan was a joke. Fists or not, he couldn't have gotten that pile of shit through the Senate.

410 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:38:43am

re: #408 lawhawk

If anything, the Katrina experience was lost on the GOP. Again.

That's because empathy is impossible for a party that exists in a permanent state of Fuck You I Got Mine.

411 Mattand  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:38:58am

re: #408 lawhawk

NJ Congressional delegation is pissed at #Sandy aid package getting killed by Boehner and GOP leaders.

Mind you that both NY and NJ governors, plus CT had estimated the damage from Sandy at $87 billion. The Obama request was for $60 billion. So, the House GOP plan would be a third of what the damage tally really is, and they're claiming that it's the prudent plan?

They claim that the $60b plan was larded up with pork, and that the $27b was more targeted and focused, but they ignore that one can't simply build back as things were - it leaves everyone exposed to the same damage for the next inevitable storm. It's got to be built back better and stronger - more durable. That's more costly.

If anything, the Katrina experience was lost on the GOP. Again.

Christ, I almost wonder if part of it is the dislike the rest of the country has for NJ coming through. Can't tell you how many mouthbreathers I've had to deal with that think The Sopranos is a documentary.

412 dragonath  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:39:16am

re: #397 Gus

Boehner's a goner.

Yeah pretty much. This is going to be spun as Boehner's vanity.

413 Four More Tears  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:39:18am

He's fucking pissed.

414 dragonath  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:40:21am

CHRISTIE SMASH!

415 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:41:18am

Syria's population is something like 20M?

That is somewhere between the population of New York and Texas.

60K is a small city --

damn.

416 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:41:44am

re: #408 lawhawk

NJ Congressional delegation is pissed at #Sandy aid package getting killed by Boehner and GOP leaders.

Mind you that both NY and NJ governors, plus CT had estimated the damage from Sandy at $87 billion. The Obama request was for $60 billion. So, the House GOP plan would be a third of what the damage tally really is, and they're claiming that it's the prudent plan?

They claim that the $60b plan was larded up with pork, and that the $27b was more targeted and focused, but they ignore that one can't simply build back as things were - it leaves everyone exposed to the same damage for the next inevitable storm. It's got to be built back better and stronger - more durable. That's more costly.

If anything, the Katrina experience was lost on the GOP. Again.

Not lost, many Republican Reps simply don't care. They are frustrated an angry because they were sent to DC in 2010 to cut the size and cost of government and they have not been allowed to do so. It makes them feel betrayed by their leadership.

417 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:42:08am

re: #402 Dark_Falcon

If that had happened, you'd have been watching the Ryan Plan sail through Congress. Paul Ryan ain't the sort of guy you'd want to get in a fight with, since he's quite strong and he's not the sort to show mercy once he has the advantage.

Ryan needs to find a think tank job because he's done in the House. He barely won in his gerrymandered district and he'll be primaried by Teabaggers in 2014. That's one more Dem seat towards breaking the stalemate ;)

418 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:42:16am

It seems to me a lot of this mess is over semantic games wrt "Temporary Tax Cuts."

Americans expect temporary cuts to be permanent. It's a shame that all the Bush tax cuts didn't expire. That's the only way we can hope to make a dent in the deficit.

419 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:42:17am

The House plan would bifurcate the Sandy aid into two bills. If both sections pass, they'd be reincorporated as a single bill to match up with the Senate plan.

It's an asinine approach and only serves a political cover purpose. Never been done on other disaster spending plans.

Republican leaders of the House decided Monday to cut out about $400 million, split the bill into two sections of $27 billion and $33 billion. The plan calls for separate votes on each part and approval of a parliamentary procedure to rejoin them as a single bill if both passed.

The $27 billion piece, sponsored by House Appropriations Committee Chairman Hal Rogers, R-Ky., would bail out the nearly depleted federal flood insurance program, give the Federal Emergency Management Agency enough funding to cover disaster response needs through late March, and fund some of the transportation, flood control and community reconstruction grants that President Obama asked for Dec. 7.

The $33 billion piece, sponsored by Frelinghuysen, would fund the rest of Obama’s request, minus what he called “Senate earmarks” totaling about $400 million for disaster programs not directly related to Sandy.

For all the talk of pork, the House GOP plan essentially differs from the Senate version by $400 million. The House GOP will scuttle the Sandy aid over $400 million (when that $400 million is going to other areas hit by natural disasters and got piggybacked btw). You'd have to pull the text from the two bills, plus the Senate version to see what's really going on.

420 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:42:51am

re: #414 dragonath

CHRISTIE SMASH!

PUNY HOUSE!

421 dragonath  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:43:08am

re: #416 Dark_Falcon

Not lost, many Republican Reps simply don't care. They are frustrated an angry because they were sent to DC in 2010 to cut the size and cost of government and they have not been allowed to do so. It makes them feel betrayed by their leadership.

Oh, those poor, poor tea partiers!

422 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:43:12am

re: #418 ReamWorks SKG

It seems to me a lot of this mess is over semantic games wrt "Temporary Tax Cuts."

Americans expect temporary cuts to be permanent. My only regret is that _all_ the Bush tax cuts didn't expire. That's the only way we can hope to make a dent in the deficit.

Yes, the semantics game is much fun.

/

423 Mattand  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:43:37am

re: #416 Dark_Falcon

Not lost, many Republican Reps simply don't care. They are frustrated an angry because they were sent to DC in 2010 to cut the size and cost of government and they have not been allowed to do so. It makes them feel betrayed by their leadership.

Yeah, fuck NJ, NY, and CT for getting hit with a 100 year storm on their watch. We deserved it.

424 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:44:17am

re: #416 Dark_Falcon

Not lost, many Republican Reps simply don't care. They are frustrated an angry because they were sent to DC in 2010 to cut the size and cost of government and they have not been allowed to do so. It makes them feel betrayed by their leadership.

What the Republicans have always failed to understand is that you can't cut the size and cost of government then bitch about roads and infrastructure failing or slow responses during a disaster.

425 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:44:22am

re: #415 FemNaziBitch

Assad's carrying out the Hama rules dictated by his dad. Deal with opposition with an iron fist. Armed uprisings must be crushed.

That's what Assad's attempting to do, but he's finding that the opposition isn't so easily beaten, not when they've got the ability to fire back.

426 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:44:29am

re: #416 Dark_Falcon

Not lost, many Republican Reps simply don't care. They are frustrated an angry because they were sent to DC in 2010 to cut the size and cost of government and they have not been allowed to do so. It makes them feel betrayed by their leadership.

So they take it out on people that are not their constituents.

Those poor, poor Republican reps.
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427 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:46:39am

re: #403 Vicious Babushka

More than that - the payroll tax was always meant to be a temporary tax rate reduction. An extension would have long term negative consequences for the stability of the SSDI program. A permanent cut would have required cutting benefits down the line.

428 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:46:58am

re: #416 Dark_Falcon

Not lost, many Republican Reps simply don't care. They are frustrated an angry because they were sent to DC in 2010 to cut the size and cost of government and they have not been allowed to do so. It makes them feel betrayed by their leadership.

So sorry, but the Teabaggers need to learn that they will not be allow to destroy the nation because they're too greedy to pay their fair share.

429 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:47:01am

Dis gun b good. Christie is going to take a flamethrower to the GOP today.

Can't wait.

430 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:47:15am

re: #424 Lidane

What the Republicans have always failed to understand is that you can't cut the size and cost of government then bitch about roads and infrastructure failing or slow responses during a disaster.

What the GOP refuses to see is that the game changes with increases in population. A country that has doubled it's size since 1950 cannot be run in the same manner as it was in 1950 and remain peaceful and productive.

431 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:47:37am

re: #426 makeitstop

So they take it out on people that are not their constituents.

Those poor, poor Republican reps.
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Bunch of northeastern freeloaders. Should take personal responsibility for being hit by a hurricane and fund their own recovery.
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432 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:47:43am
433 sagehen  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:48:23am

re: #408 lawhawk

NJ Congressional delegation is pissed at #Sandy aid package getting killed by Boehner and GOP leaders.

Mind you that both NY and NJ governors, plus CT had estimated the damage from Sandy at $87 billion. The Obama request was for $60 billion. So, the House GOP plan would be a third of what the damage tally really is, and they're claiming that it's the prudent plan?

They claim that the $60b plan was larded up with pork, and that the $27b was more targeted and focused, but they ignore that one can't simply build back as things were - it leaves everyone exposed to the same damage for the next inevitable storm. It's got to be built back better and stronger - more durable. That's more costly.

If anything, the Katrina experience was lost on the GOP. Again.

Peter King was just on with MSNBC, in all his righteous fury... I laugh at him when he goes on his anti-Muslim rants, but today he made me proud to say he's from my state. Yelling about how quick the New York, New Jersey and Connecticut delegations were to support Katrina relief, he feels shit upon that the southerners and mid-westerners are being assholes just because they hate our region and want us to suffer, he resents the regionalism he's hearing in the Congressional cloakroom, and fuck party discipline if this is what they're going to do to him on Sandy the whip can just go fuck himself next time they need his vote for something and... okay, I may be paraphrasing a bit, but that was really the gist of it.

434 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:50:45am
435 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:52:05am
436 Mattand  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:52:55am

What's amazing is that the House GOP, supposedly the only true believers in American capitalism, is willing to fuck over NYC, the financial center of the entire country.

It's shit like this that makes it so hard for me to not question people's judgement when they vote GOP.

437 Political Atheist  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:54:53am

re: #436 Mattand

Spasms of a party on the way down and out.

438 wilburs  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:54:57am

re: #431 Feline Fearless Leader

Bunch of northeastern freeloaders. Should take personal responsibility for being hit by a hurricane and fund their own recovery.
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Maybe they are pissed because NJ only gets 60 cents back on every dollar they send to the feds, and NY only gets back 80 cents

439 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:55:17am

re: #433 sagehen

Peter King was just on with MSNBC, in all his righteous fury... I laugh at him when he goes on his anti-Muslim rants, but today he made me proud to say he's from my state. Yelling about how quick the New York, New Jersey and Connecticut delegations were to support Katrina relief, he feels shit upon that the southerners and mid-westerners are being assholes just because they hate our region and want us to suffer, he resents the regionalism he's hearing in the Congressional cloakroom, and fuck party discipline if this is what they're going to do to him on Sandy the whip can just go fuck himself next time they need his vote for something and... okay, I may be paraphrasing a bit, but that was really the gist of it.

That is part of the issue, truth to tell. It's seen in Illinois all the time: Chicago doesn't understand downstate and looks at too many of the people there as hicks or yahoos, while downstate doesn't understand Chicago and often despises it as a city of crime, temptation and 'socialism'.

440 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:56:48am
441 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:57:14am

He's tweetin' up some good music!

442 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:58:20am
443 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 8:59:21am
444 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:01:38am

re: #443 Lidane

445 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:02:00am

Grimm: Boehner Betrayed Us By Failing To Take Up Sandy Relief

Rep. Michael Grimm (R-NY) said Wednesday he feels betrayed by House Speaker John Boehner for failing to take up Hurricane Sandy relief legislation the night before.

"We were all set to go, and I feel that this was a betrayal, I just half to say it," Grimm told WNYC's Brian Lehrer. "I feel it's a betrayal and an indefensible, an indefensible error in judgment on the Speaker's behalf."

Asked whether it makes him question his support for Boehner when he is up for re-election as House Speaker, Grimm said: "Unfortunately, it absolutely does."

As I said last night - in the optics war, the GOP shot themselves in the face with a howitzer. They haven't begun to taste the outrage they're in for.

446 Interesting Times  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:03:38am

re: #416 Dark_Falcon

Not lost, many Republican Reps simply don't care. They are frustrated an angry because they were sent to DC in 2010 to cut the size and cost of government and they have not been allowed to do so. It makes them feel betrayed by their leadership.

So they go and betray vulnerable, suffering storm victims. Getting back to the subject of "punching", what I wouldn't give to allow every one of those victims the chance to do that to the members of the house GOP!

447 Mattand  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:03:54am

re: #445 makeitstop

As I said last night - in the optics war, the GOP shot themselves in the face with a howitzer. They haven't begun to taste the outrage they're in for.

This is one time I'm actually for looser gun control.

448 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:03:57am

re: #445 makeitstop

As I said last night - in the optics war, the GOP shot themselves in the face with a howitzer. They haven't begun to taste the outrage they're in for.

Good. Let them figure out that being obstructionist assholes might win you points with the knuckle-dragging teabagger morans, but that it pisses everyone else off.

449 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:05:00am

re: #445 makeitstop

To the true believer TCOT and rwnjs, the GOPers like King or Grimm, or even Christie are RINOs (due primarily because they're in the NYC metro area. Therefore, their outrage doesn't count.

Yet, by their actions, the GOP leaders are likely to push folks like King, Grimm, and other GOPers from purple states and districts out of the party - the worst thing the GOP could do.

450 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:05:43am
451 Interesting Times  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:07:04am

When it comes to overall effectiveness and usefulness to humanity, Nancy Pelosi is cool, clear, refreshing spring water, while John Boehner is untreated, orange-tinted sewage sludge.

452 Joanne  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:07:25am

re: #390 Lidane

Honestly? I'd rather see them punching each other out. At least then they'd get their bullshit settled out in the open rather than sticking it into their respective bills.

Do you honestly believe that punching each other out would settle any of their bullshit? That would be nothing more than My Penis Is Bigger Than Yours and it would settle nothing. Not one single thing.

453 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:07:52am

re: #449 lawhawk

To the true believer TCOT and rwnjs, the GOPers like King or Grimm, or even Christie are RINOs (due primarily because they're in the NYC metro area. Therefore, their outrage doesn't count.

Yet, by their actions, the GOP leaders are likely to push folks like King, Grimm, and other GOPers from purple states and districts out of the party - the worst thing the GOP could do.

The end result of short-term thinking and spur-of-the-moment pettiness.

Any politician should know better, but the RWNJs read - and believed - their own hype. Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind, y'all.

454 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:09:37am

re: #451 Interesting Times

When it comes to overall effectiveness and usefulness to humanity, Nancy Pelosi is cool, clear, refreshing spring water, while John Boehner is untreated, orange-tinted sewage sludge.

Anyone actually see Boehner yesterday? I know I didn't. Saw Pelosi at least twice.

455 Interesting Times  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:10:31am
457 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:11:44am

re: #452 Joanne

Do you honestly believe that punching each other out would settle any of their bullshit? That would be nothing more than My Penis Is Bigger Than Yours and it would settle nothing. Not one single thing.

They're not solving anything now. What would be the difference?

At least if they punch each other it's all out in the open.

458 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:12:21am

re: #446 Interesting Times

So they go and betray vulnerable, suffering storm victims. Getting back to the subject of "punching", what I wouldn't give to allow every one of those victims the chance to do that to the members of the house GOP!

Hey, don't downding me over it. I'm not defending that sort of thinking, but i know it exists and I'm not immune to it. In fact, I regard an over-focus on one problem or part of a problem to be my great weakness. So I know how that sort of thinking arises in people, and I'm familiar with the rural/urban dichotomy that's also in play here.

Now you're mad at those guys for thinking that way, and that's OK. but please don't be mad at me for trying to be dispassionate in my analysis. This is a problem that touches on issues with how I see the world, and that means I need to be dispassionate about it in order to get past my own problems.

459 Joanne  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:13:24am

re: #427 lawhawk

More than that - the payroll tax was always meant to be a temporary tax rate reduction. An extension would have long term negative consequences for the stability of the SSDI program. A permanent cut would have required cutting benefits down the line.

Which is the GOP desired result. I am surprised they didn't demand extending it. But their desire to give on nothing to Obama even outweighed their own desired outcomes.

460 Joanne  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:16:06am

re: #439 Dark_Falcon

That is part of the issue, truth to tell. It's seen in Illinois all the time: Chicago doesn't understand downstate and looks at too many of the people there as hicks or yahoos, while downstate doesn't understand Chicago and often despises it as a city of crime, temptation and 'socialism'.

While Chicago pays for almost everything that happens in the state.

461 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:16:41am
462 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:18:22am

Conservatives and Republicans are in shambles. What a disgrace. All of it.

463 Interesting Times  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:21:47am

re: #458 Dark_Falcon

Hey, don't downding me over it. I'm not defending that sort of thinking, but i know it exists and I'm not immune to it.

Then I'd suggest, in the future, you preface such analysis with a disclaimer that you're not defending it - otherwise, it can too easily be interpreted that you are in fact making excuses for what should be inexcusable behavior.

Though I have to be honest and say that, sometimes your attempts to explain horrendous GOP behavior creep very close to "Well, he beat his wife that time because he didn't like the way she made dinner" - even if it may be technically and narrowly correct in one instance, it sounds an awful lot like minimizing, trivializing, and ignoring the elephant in the room - which is that some actions are so hideous the only appropriate reaction is outright condemnation - no excuses or "explanations."

464 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:26:18am

Derp!

465 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:26:24am

re: #463 Interesting Times

It's not trivializing it, but I find it hypocritical to condemn someone else for the sort of over-focus I myself am vulnerable to. It also leaves me open to criticism the next time I make that sort of mistake. So I find it better to avoid the topic if possible and be unemotional about it if it needs to be dealt with.

466 Interesting Times  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:27:33am
467 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:28:06am

re: #464 Lidane

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Extreme DERP, given how rare murder is among gay people in Chicago. the vast majority of murders here are on the South Side or West Side (Boystown is North Side) and are gang related.

468 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:32:03am
469 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:37:03am

Because shutting down the government worked so well for the GOP the last time.

470 erik_t  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:37:57am

re: #469 Lidane

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Because shutting down the government worked so well for the GOP the last time.

GOP in one word: malicious.

471 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:39:42am

Heh:

472 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:39:50am
473 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:41:31am

re: #472 lawhawk

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LOL They're such a bunch of lazy bums.

474 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:43:20am

re: #473 Gus

LOL They're such a bunch of lazy bums.

Depends. You can get work done sometimes more efficiently out of session since a bunch of parliamentary rules governing discussion can be ignored.

However, given the delay and obstruction that got the House to this point I suspect that it is not the most likely explanation.

475 jaunte  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:43:53am

re: #468 Gus

476 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:48:31am

ROFL:

477 Joanne  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:48:35am

re: #473 Gus

LOL They're such a bunch of lazy bums.

No Shit. Say NO almost all year and then leave as often as possible. And f0r all that non-productivity, we pay them at least $175,000 annually. What. The. Fuck.

478 Four More Tears  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:48:36am
479 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:50:13am

re: #475 jaunte

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I know, right. It wouldn't make any difference where Obama made that call. This is obviously the speaker's job and Obama wouldn't visit the House for such a demand. Plus we have things like iPhones and intertoobs.

480 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:52:17am
481 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:53:00am

Man, 2:00 cannot come quickly enough. Anyone who has to this point missed the outrage over shitcanning the Sandy Relief Bill will get the news first-hand from a Republican who minces no words.

Boehner better send an aide to the liquor store. As bad as his week has been so far, it's about to get a lot worse.

482 jaunte  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:53:02am

re: #479 Gus

If he actually visited the House and made a strong suggestion that they do their jobs, we'd be hearing cries of "Dictator."
Oh wait.

483 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:53:14am

Derp!

484 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:53:30am

re: #480 Lidane

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485 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:54:46am

re: #483 Lidane

So NY & NJ are unable to do anything or provide any relief without the Feds?

Sure, we can do that. But the next time a tornado hits some Red State, don't come knocking on our door for a handout. Fair enough?

486 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:55:40am

It's a Twitter fest morning!

487 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:56:59am

re: #485 makeitstop

Sure, we can do that. But the next time a tornado hits some Red State, don't come knocking on our door for a handout. Fair enough?

Maybe time to move some military bases out of said Red States along with the associated Federal jobs back into the northeast.
/(sorta)

488 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:57:21am

re: #486 Gus

It's a Twitter fest morning!

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Man, they're grasping for any silver lining they can find at this point. Even imaginary ones.

489 Kragar  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:58:49am

Barton: 'Hate is a Virtue' and 'We're Going to be Intolerant of Liberalism'

On yesterday's broadcast of "WallBuilders Live," David Barton and Rick Green were discussing a column by right-wing blogger John Hawkins titled "5 Ways Liberalism Destroys Virtue" and it prompted Barton to lay out a rambling and rather incoherent theory about how hate is a virtue while tolerance is a sin, eventually culminating in the declaration that Christians have got to be "intolerant of liberalism":

490 jaunte  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:59:11am

re: #486 Gus

Wow, she made it through that whole piece without writing "deficit" once.

491 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:59:11am

re: #486 Gus

It's a Twitter fest morning!

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Whatever she gets paid is wasted money. Total hack.

492 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 9:59:25am
493 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:00:39am

re: #487 Feline Fearless Leader

Maybe time to move some military bases out of said Red States along with the associated Federal jobs back into the northeast.
/(sorta)

It's been done (in reverse)

See Nixon,, Massachusetts,,, 1972 election (revenge)

494 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:01:02am

re: #489 Kragar

Barton: 'Hate is a Virtue' and 'We're Going to be Intolerant of Liberalism'

Does "Jesus wept" apply heavily to this?

495 Kragar  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:02:31am

Peter King near tears, threatens to quit Republican Party for blocking Sandy relief

“Boehner is the one,” the New York Republican explained. “He walked off the floor. He refused to tell us why. He refused to give us any indication or warning whatsoever… I’m just saying, these people have no problem finding New York — these Republicans — when they’re trying to raise money. They raise millions of dollars in New York City and New Jersey, they sent Gov. [Chris] Christie around the country raising millions of dollars for them. I’m saying, anyone from New York and New Jersey who contributes one penny to the Republican Congressional Campaign Committee should have their head examined. I would not give one penny to these people based on what they did to us last night.

CNN host Victor Blackwell wondered if King’s disgust over scuttling the hurricane relief was enough to make him leave the Republican Party.

“I’m going to do what I have to do,” King insisted. “I’m going to be independent minded. Sometimes, as John Kennedy said, party loyalty demands too much. And I would — as all of us do — often, you give the benefit of the doubt to your party. We are a two-party system. But I’m over that because as the very least, you’re expected to be treated fairly… When your people are literally freezing in the winter and their without food and their without shelter and they’re without clothing and my own party refuses to help them, then why should I help the Republican Party?”

497 The Mountain That Blogs  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:03:53am

re: #485 makeitstop

Sure, we can do that. But the next time a tornado hits some Red State, don't come knocking on our door for a handout. Fair enough?

Those were real Americans

498 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:04:26am

re: #495 Kragar

Peter King near tears, threatens to quit Republican Party for blocking Sandy relief

I would love to see entire GOP delegations in NY & NJ turn in their Republican memberships. It might just shock the leadership into action.

Of course, it will also galvanize the mouth breathing base, so it's a huge risk.

499 Kragar  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:05:15am

re: #494 Feline Fearless Leader

Does "Jesus wept" apply heavily to this?

Jesus the Destroyer will convert the heathen with blade and fire.

500 erik_t  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:09:24am

re: #495 Kragar

Peter King near tears, threatens to quit Republican Party for blocking Sandy relief

Reminder: this is PETER FUCKING KING we're talking about. I'm pretty sure all of the Kings in the GOP house delegation are utter nutbags.

501 Renaissance_Man  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:09:50am

re: #416 Dark_Falcon

Not lost, many Republican Reps simply don't care. They are frustrated an angry because they were sent to DC in 2010 to cut the size and cost of government and they have not been allowed to do so. It makes them feel betrayed by their leadership.

They were sent to DC in 2010 to express the hate of the Conservative media cult towards Democrats and especially the black Usurper in the White House. That is the only reason they were sent there. The size and cost of government matters not a jot to American Conservatives, unless there is a Democrat in the White House.

502 Joanne  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:10:45am

re: #488 makeitstop

Man, they're grasping for any silver lining they can find at this point. Even imaginary ones.

Hardly a new tactic. It's all they have now.

503 Kragar  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:10:47am

Report: Boehner Told Harry Reid ‘Go F**k Yourself’

During tense fiscal cliff negotiations, House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) last Friday told Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) "go fuck yourself," according to a Politico report published early Wednesday. Boehner confronted Reid in the White House lobby and later bragged about it to his colleagues, according to the report.

504 Kragar  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:18:57am

I killed the thread.

505 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:19:09am
506 Four More Tears  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:24:44am

re: #505 Gus

In his defense it can be easy to confuse two old white guys named King... #diversity!

507 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:24:50am
509 Four More Tears  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:26:15am

re: #507 Lidane

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I should change my name to schadenfreude because this year is starting off with it in spades.

510 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:26:18am

re: #506 Four More Tears

In his defense it can be easy to confuse two old white guys named King... #diversity!

This is pretty is funny too:

The amazing shameless agililty of Congressman Peter King

HuffPo — The congressman, who is running for his sixth term, was outspoken about — among other things — the need to pay for any spending on disaster relief, an issue he has dealt with before. In 2005, he voted against a bill to help Hurricane Katrina victims because he said it cost too much at $51.8 billion. King was one of only 11 members of Congress to oppose the bill. King said last week that his vote against Hurricane Katrina relief was “a good vote” and “a principled vote.”

Go ahead and click on the HuffPo link.

511 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:27:01am
512 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:27:21am

re: #497 The Mountain That Blogs

Those were real Americans

I actually hope that doesn't happen. Stooping to that level starts the race to the bottom regarding barbaric behavior based on regional affiliations.

Castigate them for acting like that, but do not be tempted to start acting in the same manner yourself. Yes, it gets taken advantage of (ref. GOP negotiation techniques), but a moral higher ground does exist in these cases and it is worthwhile holding onto it.

514 bratwurst  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:30:24am

re: #507 Lidane

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But don't lose sight of the fact that it is Obama FORCING them to hate on each other.

515 Joanne  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:31:49am

re: #509 Four More Tears

I should change my name to schadenfreude because this year is starting off with it in spades.

Does it make me a total asshole to be completely relishing in the GOP eating itself? Don't answer that...I don't care if it does. What a glorious way to start a new year.

Perhaps we will see sanity return to the GOP.

Nah...that's not going to happen.

516 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:32:21am

These are the no votes for the 51.8 billion dollar Katrina funding bill in the House:

Barton (TX)
Flake
Foxx
Garrett (NJ)
Hostettler
King (IA)
Otter
Paul
King (IA)
Otter
Paul
Sensenbrenner
Tancredo
Westmoreland

517 erik_t  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:32:23am

re: #513 Varek Raith

Fox News Complains That "Mainstream Media" Is "Mocking" NRA's Guns In Schools Plan

They should be complaining that a major policy organization in this country put forth a plan worthy only of mockery.

518 Renaissance_Man  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:33:04am

re: #354 Dark_Falcon

With weapons its different. I have a serious love of firepower, and I've never liked the idea of disarmament. To me, there will always be assholes wanting to take what isn't theirs. Proper citizens should be able to own the means to deal with said assholes themselves if the assholes try to rob or rape them.

Neither a 'love of firepower', nor a misguided worship of the Constitution, nor even the bizarre delusion that civilian guns are useful for self-defence trumps the rights of ordinary Americans and their children to not be sacrificed on the altar of gun worship.

519 Four More Tears  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:33:14am

re: #513 Varek Raith

Fox News Complains That "Mainstream Media" Is "Mocking" NRA's Guns In Schools Plan

Yeah, really dumb fucking ideas tend to get ridiculed. Get over it, Fox.

520 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:36:33am

re: #513 Varek Raith

Fox News Complains That "Mainstream Media" Is "Mocking" NRA's Guns In Schools Plan

That's because it's not a plan. It's a dodge of the real issues.

521 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 10:36:59am

re: #512 Feline Fearless Leader

I actually hope that doesn't happen. Stooping to that level starts the race to the bottom regarding barbaric behavior based on regional affiliations.

Castigate them for acting like that, but do not be tempted to start acting in the same manner yourself. Yes, it gets taken advantage of (ref. GOP negotiation techniques), but a moral higher ground does exist in these cases and it is worthwhile holding onto it.

I forgot my sarc tag on my initial response to the tweet.

I wouldn't deny aid to any American, anywhere. If I felt that way, I'd have to turn in my liberal card, and I'm not about to do that.

But it does infuriate me how the NYC Metro area gets treated by people in parts of the country who would be close to eating dirt if it weren't for the tax revenue that we generate and they benefit from.

Like King said - the GOP is only too happy to come here and raise money. Maybe that is the aid that should be cut off - let them go raise money in parts of the country that they like.

The only problem with that is that most of the parts of the country that they like don't really have that much money.

522 Jimmah  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 2:13:32am

re: #354 Dark_Falcon

With weapons its different. I have a serious love of firepower,

People who talk about guns in this way should definitely not have access to them.


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