NBC/WSJ Poll: For the First Time, a Majority Want Legal Abortion

Republican craziness backfires

US NewsJanuary 2013 • Views: 23,004

The new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll on abortion shows that for the first time, a majority of Americans want abortion to be legal in all (or most) cases.

And one reason for the opinion swing: the Republican Party’s deranged obsession with controlling women’s reproductive rights, and the very revealing statements by people like Todd Akin and other highly placed right wing cavemen.

What’s more, seven in 10 respondents oppose Roe v. Wade being overturned, which is the highest percentage on this question since 1989.

“These are profound changes,” says Republican pollster Bill McInturff, who conducted this survey with Democratic pollster Peter D. Hart and his colleagues.

McInturff adds that the abortion-related events and rhetoric over the past year - which included controversial remarks on abortion and rape by two Republican Senate candidates, as well as a highly charged debate over contraception - helped shaped these changing poll numbers.

“The dialogue we have had in the last year has contributed … to inform and shift attitudes.”

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142 comments

Petero1818 Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:02:51am

I know I should be happy about this, but to be honest it seems absurd that you are still having the debate at all.

erik_t Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:03:13am

Excellent news, but surprising to me. Abortion seemed to be the one social issue that was not trending leftward over time.

Big props to the GOP for forcing the shift!

~~Hugs and kisses~~ Drop a toaster in your bathtub,
Me

Ghost of Tom Joad Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:06:23am

I think it’s less about people wanting “legal abortion” and more about people wanting women to have the continued right to make their own health-care decisions.

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:07:10am

re: #3 Ghost of Tom Joad

I think it’s less about people wanting “legal abortion” and more about people wanting women to have the continued right to make their own health-care decisions.

this.

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:07:55am

re: #2 erik_t

~~Hugs and kisses~~ Drop a plugged in toaster in your bathtub

FTFY, after all they may need step by step instructions

Lidane Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:08:42am

And one reason for the opinion swing: the Republican Party’s deranged obsession with controlling women’s reproductive rights, and the very revealing statements by people like Todd Akin and other highly placed right wingers.

Which is why the GOP is hell bent on things like Voter ID laws, making the Electoral College proportional, and gerrymandering themselves into safety.

Once people see what the Republican party actually stands for, they lose. When people like Akin and Mourdock started pulling the curtain back, the effect was instant.

Obdicut Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:10:17am

re: #3 Ghost of Tom Joad

I think it’s less about people wanting “legal abortion” and more about people wanting women to have the continued right to make their own health-care decisions.

I think also people have seen just how fucking creepy a lot of the anti-abortion arguments get, and just how far they’re willing to take them. And that it’s very clearly, in most cases, about punishing women and not about ensuring the welfare of theoretical children.

Ghost of Tom Joad Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:11:39am

re: #6 Lidane

Which is why the GOP is hell bent on things like Voter ID laws, making the Electoral College proportional, and gerrymandering themselves into safety.

Once people see what the Republican party actually stands for, they lose. When people like Akin and Mourdock started pulling the curtain back, the effect was instant.

And, of course, what do we hear from conservative circles? That these guys are wrong, or misogynists, or too stupid to exist? That they should be shunned? That they should stop receiving contributions and support, from even the RNC itself?

No. All we hear is “they should keep that kind of thing to themselves.” To be discussed, like Romney said “in quiet rooms.”

Tigger2005 Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:13:41am

“You mean talking like about abortion like cavemen is changing attitudes about it the opposite direction from the way we want to change them? Wow, maybe we should change our approach. Ha! Ha! Just kidding! No, let’s just rig the elections and do what we want anyway!”

Mattand Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:14:47am

OT: Ross Perot is apparently following me on Twitter.

@ross_perot I see you’re following me on Twitter. I had no idea you were still alive. #perot #awkward
— mattand (@mattand) January 22, 2013

Ghost of Tom Joad Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:17:35am

re: #7 Obdicut

I think also people have seen just how fucking creepy a lot of the anti-abortion arguments get, and just how far they’re willing to take them. And that it’s very clearly, in most cases, about punishing women and not about ensuring the welfare of theoretical children.

Exactly. Nobody likes abortion. Hell, I don’t like seeing it happen just because a man and a woman weren’t responsible with their sexual decisions. In some cases it’s an ugly thing, but in many others it’s a necessary procedure to preserve existing life.

I’d still rather see an abortion than an orphan, or an abused, malnourished, forgotten victim of somebody else’s irresponsibility.

It’s just another thing in this country where the discussion has become completely about the extremes on every issue.

wrenchwench Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:18:51am

And one reason for the opinion swing: the Republican Party’s deranged obsession with controlling women’s reproductive rights, and the very revealing statements by people like Todd Akin and other highly placed right wingers.

I think that had a twofold effect: Showed people just where restrictions on abortion will lead (to dead women), and showed that it’s necessary to speak up about the issue and answer pollsters truthfully.

lawhawk Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:19:44am

re: #7 Obdicut

Despite that, the state legislatures are pushing ahead with an anti abortion agenda that is more invasive than ever. In Texas:

Republican Gov. Rick Perry has told lawmakers that he expects more anti-abortion laws during the 2013 session to work toward his goal “to make abortion at any stage a thing of the past.” Anti-abortion activists have pledged to use every legal means possible to make obtaining abortions difficult, if not impossible, to obtain.

The latest tact is to pass fetal-pain bills, which is apparently based on flawed science (go figure).

Virginia is considering a group of anti-abortion bills, including one proffered by State Sen. Thomas A. Garrett (R-Lynchburg) that would would:

… prevent Medicaid from subsidizing abortion services for low-income women in cases “in which a physician certifies … that the fetus would be born with a gross and totally incapacitating physical deformity or mental deficiency.” Women who currently receive Medicaid in Virginia have abortion coverage in cases of rape, incest, severe fetal abnormalities, or when the life of the mother is in danger.

Nationwide, there’s been an increase in regulation as well - mostly with the intent of so limiting the practice that it would be near impossible for some to actually obtain a legal abortion or to make it impractical by requiring multiple visits/consultations, or invasive ultrasounds.

HappyWarrior Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:20:52am

I remember some of the GOP and conservative pundits on election night trying to say that while Obama was clearly re-elected, the American people are skeptical of government involvement. They were right but not for the reasons they probably thought. The American people I think are finally starting to see that GOP policies are as big government if not more so than the Democrats.

Mattand Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:21:16am

re: #13 lawhawk

What’s it going to take to stop this horseshit?

Targetpractice Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:24:04am

re: #13 lawhawk

Despite that, the state legislatures are pushing ahead with an anti abortion agenda that is more invasive than ever. In Texas:

The latest tact is to pass fetal-pain bills, which is apparently based on flawed science (go figure).

Virginia is considering a group of anti-abortion bills, including one proffered by State Sen. Thomas A. Garrett (R-Lynchburg) that would would:

Nationwide, there’s been an increase in regulation as well - mostly with the intent of so limiting the practice that it would be near impossible for some to actually obtain a legal abortion or to make it impractical by requiring multiple visits/consultations, or invasive ultrasounds.

Which, of course, is serving their long-term plans one way or another. Either they make abortion virtually impossible to obtain or they hope that all the legal challenges to said laws by pro-choice groups eventually leads to the matter showing up before SCOTUS again and their 5-4 majority finally striking down RvW.

Obdicut Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:24:14am

re: #15 Mattand

What’s it going to take to stop this horseshit?

Either a much broader decision by the Supreme court protecting privacy and/or abortion rights, which is unlikely with Alioto, Scalia, Thomas, and Roberts all on the court at once, or the defeat of the GOP at the state level in those areas.

Ghost of Tom Joad Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:24:22am

re: #15 Mattand

What’s it going to take to stop this horseshit?

Lorena Bobbit becoming a saint. Or men being able to get pregnant.

erik_t Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:24:44am

re: #15 Mattand

What’s it going to take to stop this horseshit?

Here are the options I see:

1) A Republican Party not so beholden to the insane religious right
2) A Republican Party reduced to rump status even in their stronghold states

Two probably implies one, eventually, but to get to two we need to break the gerrymandering. Which means we need to win on the local level. Which means, holy shit folks, you have to realize that the local Republican candidate may seem like a fine and friendly person, but they will nearly always vote for their party’s redistricting proposal, and that fucks everyone.

So don’t do that.

wrenchwench Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:24:50am

re: #11 Ghost of Tom Joad

Exactly. Nobody likes abortion. Hell, I don’t like seeing it happen just because a man and a woman weren’t responsible with their sexual decisions. In some cases it’s an ugly thing, but in many others it’s a necessary procedure to preserve existing life.

I’d still rather see an abortion than an orphan, or an abused, malnourished, forgotten victim of somebody else’s irresponsibility.

It’s just another thing in this country where the discussion has become completely about the extremes on every issue.

I don’t think this is an extreme opinion: I like abortion. The advancements in medical science that allow women to have control over their reproduction have given them a freedom that many men take for granted. It’s only an ugly thing when the stigma attached to it causes a woman to delay the decision to abort beyond the first or mid-second trimester, or the restrictions placed upon it make it unavailable earlier.

HappyWarrior Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:24:55am

re: #15 Mattand

What’s it going to take to stop this horseshit?

I don’t know. More people do need to vote in local elections so the GOP can’t get a majority or close to a majority in state legislatures though. It needs to be pointed out that so called off years are just as important for voting as presidential years. I mean these are the ones that are about the people who directly represent you in your state’s capital yet these ones get the least amount of voters which is to the GOP’s benefit.

iossarian Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:27:04am

re: #20 wrenchwench

I don’t think this is an extreme opinion: I like abortion. The advancements in medical science that allow women to have control over their reproduction have given them a freedom that many men take for granted. It’s only an ugly thing when the stigma attached to it causes a woman to delay the decision to abort beyond the first or mid-second trimester, or the restrictions placed upon it make it unavailable earlier.

Couldn’t agree more.

RadicalModerate Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:28:10am

Reposting from the downstairs thread because this really needs to be noticed.

Rev. Terry Jones, of Koran-burning fame has crossed a very serious line, in my opinion. His rhetoric is EXTREMELY violent in its imagery, and personally I think he should get a visit from the US Secret Service about what he’s apparently advocating here.

Link is to cached version of his website, so you can judge for yourselves.
The picture at the bottom of the page is particularly disturbing.

[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com…]

Randall Gross Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:31:06am

I’m just wondering how this translates at the state & local levels where GOP legislators have three years of extreme over reach on anti-choice legislation.

Lidane Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:31:37am

re: #15 Mattand

What’s it going to take to stop this horseshit?

Men being able to get pregnant.

I guarantee you, the moment a man can become pregnant, birth control pills, condoms, and emergency contraception will available in every sports bar in this country, right next to the bowl of beer nuts. Birth control would also be covered by insurance with no strings attached, paid maternity leave would be extended to a year, and abortion would be provided in every hospital in this country.

andres Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:33:31am

re: #25 Lidane

I’ve heard the quip that, if men could become pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament. Not that far from the truth.

Kragar Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:34:30am

Obviously, this poll can mean only one thing.

America is under attack by demonic forces.
/

Kragar Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:36:25am

Erik Rush: Obama May Cancel 2014 Election to Help Bring ‘This Nation Under the Heel of Communism’

For some time, there have been unsubstantiated reports of the Obama administration engaging in clandestine negotiations with China toward satisfying America’s debt to that nation via exchanges of land and resources. Such an arrangement would be illegal and treasonous of course, but given its deportment to date, that would not likely deter this administration.

Also, in the face of having trillions of dollars in debt called by China, and the economic catastrophe that would ensue, it is entirely possible that Obama might request and be granted some manner of dispensation from Congress to legitimize this pact.

…

All of this falls well within the parameters of Barack Obama’s long-standing desire to bring America down, as it were, punishing the American people for centuries of enjoying the spoils of imperialism, colonialism, and oppression, as well as finally bringing this nation under the heel of communism.

…

Thus – which came as an outrage, but no surprise to many – it is the Chinese government that is lobbying Obama to disarm the American public. They foresee a time when there will be widespread anger against them for their role in this obscene arrangement, and would rather not have to militarily engage armed Americans over land or resources that they will control, some of which is in America’s heartland. Some perceive Obama’s spirited pursuit of gun control after the Sandy Hook massacre as typical knee-jerk liberal opportunism, but it is far more than that.

As reported previously in this space, despite Obama’s affinity for communism and show of solidarity with the world’s leftists, the Chinese government thinks him a fool, yet they are more than happy to expand their global influence at our expense.

…

Obama’s definitely high on power, but I wouldn’t count on him paying any price for his policy escapades; considering the course America is on at the moment, there may not be a midterm election in 2014 at all. If there is, the leftist juggernaut of a compromised press, political organization, and outright fraud proved in November 2012 that it can prevail over all logic, common sense, and ostensible fail safes within the American electoral system. As the press continues to maintain the illusion that Obama is simply another American trying to do the right thing, he has been involved in the darkest machinations, some as yet incomprehensible to the average American.

It is a sad irony that the American people are being positioned to suffer most due to the accumulation of debt that irresponsible (and some outright treasonous) government officials racked up in the first place, but such is the lot of those who are ruled rather than governed.

Ghost of Tom Joad Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:36:28am

re: #27 Kragar

Obviously, this poll can mean only one thing.

America is under attack by demonic forces.
/

Gay people are going “phew, we’re off the hook for a change.”

Eventual Carrion Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:36:28am

re: #27 Kragar

Obviously, this poll can mean only one thing.

America is under attack by demonic forces.
/

Maybe I should have closed that gate to hell when I came through. Next time I’ll remember, honest.

RadicalModerate Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:37:08am

re: #25 Lidane

Men being able to get pregnant.

I guarantee you, the moment a man can become pregnant, birth control pills, condoms, and emergency contraception will available in every sports bar in this country, right next to the bowl of beer nuts. Birth control would also be covered by insurance with no strings attached, paid maternity leave would be extended to a year, and abortion would be provided in every hospital in this country.

It reminds me of the 1972 quote by Florynce Kennedy:
“If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament”

Ian G. Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:37:35am

I find abortion to be a troubling issue to say the least. I want it legal, but as a man I would never, ever, want to be responsible for an unwanted pregnancy that ended in abortion.

And of course, the best way for me (and everyone) to prevent abortions from happening too often is to use contraceptives.

But of course, to the Santorum/Fischer right, contraceptives are also a problem because the problem isn’t the “killing of unborn”, the problem is women in control of their own lives, something anathema to extreme right religious types the world over.

Ghost of Tom Joad Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:38:11am

re: #28 Kragar

“Here, take Florida.”

Sincerely, Everyone Else.

Kragar Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:38:46am

re: #29 Ghost of Tom Joad

Gay people are going “phew, we’re off the hook for a change.”

Don’t be ridiculous. Gay people are possessed by Demons. That is a well known fact. Its in the Bible.
///

Eventual Carrion Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:39:11am

re: #28 Kragar

Erik Rush: Obama May Cancel 2014 Election to Help Bring ‘This Nation Under the Heel of Communism’

Didn’t Bush make those deals with China to finance his Wars Of On Terror?

HappyWarrior Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:39:14am

re: #28 Kragar

Erik Rush: Obama May Cancel 2014 Election to Help Bring ‘This Nation Under the Heel of Communism’

I don’t think Mr. Rush understands how dictatorships work.

Kragar Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:39:22am

re: #33 Ghost of Tom Joad

“Here, take ~~Florida~~ the South.”

Sincerely, Everyone Else.

Fixed.

erik_t Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:39:38am

re: #32 Ian G.

I find abortion to be a troubling issue to say the least. I want it legal, but as a man I would never, ever, want to be responsible for an unwanted pregnancy that ended in abortion.

And of course, the best way for me (and everyone) to prevent abortions from happening too often is to use contraceptives.

Abortion is more invasive and costly and dangerous than contraception, and the latter should be preferred.

Heart surgery is more invasive and costly and dangerous than staying in shape and eating healthy, and the latter should be preferred.

It’s just another medical procedure. Let’s avoid them when we can, but be mindful that modern medical science has given us the opportunity when it’s necessary.

EPR-radar Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:40:24am

re: #26 andres

I’ve heard the quip that, if men could become pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament. Not that far from the truth.

Not far from the truth at all. This is as close as one can get to a simple statement of fact given a hypothetical premise.

Obdicut Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:40:50am

re: #31 RadicalModerate

It reminds me of the 1972 quote by Florynce Kennedy:
“If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament”

If men got pregnant, women would have been the dominant sex.

Targetpractice Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:40:57am

re: #36 HappyWarrior

I don’t think Mr. Rush understands how dictatorships work.

Indeed, it reminds me of Stewart’s remark the other night about how dictators don’t ask the legislature if its OK for them to impose tyranny on the people.

Ian G. Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:42:04am

re: #38 erik_t

Good points. I just have a personal moral qualm about abortion. I don’t have any moral qualms about contraceptives.

And of course, abortion should be indisputably legal because my personal moral qualms should not be the basis of public policy.

HappyWarrior Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:42:21am

re: #41 Targetpractice

Indeed, it reminds me of Stewart’s remark the other night about his dictators don’t ask the legislature if its OK for them to impose tyranny on the people.

Most incompetent dictatorship ever.

RadicalModerate Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:44:12am

re: #37 Kragar

Fixed.

I wonder if these secessionist lunatics understand that even if they were to succeed in their fantasy, that not only would they lose all federal aid that keeps many of these states afloat, but also there would likely be a mass exodus of roughly 50% of the populations — if not more — from those states. Total economic collapse would be almost immediate.

dragonfire1981 Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:45:17am

Georgia bars gay man from getting “GAYGUY” vanity plate

Shockingly, the 3 pro Gay vanity plates the guy wanted all on the state’s banned list.

Kragar Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:45:45am

I agree abortion is a touchy issue that should be carefully considered, but as long as anti-choicers (I refuse to call them pro-life) seem hell bent to make any form of contraceptive or birth control illegal, full access to abortions must be allowed to any woman in need.

Its a simple enough line of reasoning. If you want women to have fewer abortions, you need to give them more control over their reproduction, not less.

Lidane Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:46:05am

Just saw this on Facebook. I like it:

Image: balancingact.jpg

Gus Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:46:10am

re: #45 dragonfire1981

Georgia bars gay man from getting “GAYGUY” vanity plate

Shockingly, the 3 pro Gay vanity plates the guy wanted all on the state’s banned list.

The Republic is saved!

efuseakay Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:46:42am

A local Chicago news station had a call-in poll re: Roe vs. Wade. 68% in favor/32% opposed. Thanks Todd. Keep on talking. Please.

Targetpractice Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:46:51am

re: #32 Ian G.

I find abortion to be a troubling issue to say the least. I want it legal, but as a man I would never, ever, want to be responsible for an unwanted pregnancy that ended in abortion.

And of course, the best way for me (and everyone) to prevent abortions from happening too often is to use contraceptives.

But of course, to the Santorum/Fischer right, contraceptives are also a problem because the problem isn’t the “killing of unborn”, the problem is women in control of their own lives, something anathema to extreme right religious types the world over.

To the Fischers and Santorums of the world, it’s not simply about control of women, it’s also about numbers. Namely that their flock, both through attrition and through alienation, is shrinking and those who remain are not as devoted as they once were. It’s been the same way for centuries, opposition to contraception and abortion having more to do with ensuring a growing number of the faithful than it has with choice.

erik_t Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:47:19am

re: #46 Kragar

Its a simple enough line of reasoning. If you want women to have fewer abortions, you need to give them more control over their reproduction, not less.

So fucking much this.

Don’t bitch about how many heart surgeries your hospital is performing if the attached supermarket sells Big Macs but not fruits and vegetables.

_{(The hospital owns the only supermarket in town)

(Shut up Scottie, I know the metaphor cannae take much more of this)}

Gus Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:47:26am

re: #41 Targetpractice

Indeed, it reminds me of Stewart’s remark the other night about how dictators don’t ask the legislature if its OK for them to impose tyranny on the people.

I heard something really stupid the other day from some wingnut. Simple phrase. It said, “Obama to LEGISLATE…” Something about gun control. Derp.

Interesting Times Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:47:27am

re: #45 dragonfire1981

Georgia bars gay man from getting “GAYGUY” vanity plate

Shockingly, the 3 pro Gay vanity plates the guy wanted all on the state’s banned list.

Hey, in a state like ours, a vanity plate like that would get you run off the road or shot at, so we’re doing it for your own good! Derp.

Lidane Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:47:32am

re: #46 Kragar

Its a simple enough line of reasoning. If you want women to have fewer abortions, you need to give them more control over their reproduction, not less.

Also, if you want women to rise up out of poverty and to get on a more equal economic footing with men, give them total control over their bodies and their reproductive rights. It’s as simple as that.

Kragar Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:47:37am

re: #41 Targetpractice

Indeed, it reminds me of Stewart’s remark the other night about how dictators don’t ask the legislature if its OK for them to impose tyranny on the people.

But it could happen. IT COULD!

He could also replace the Lincoln bedroom with an authentic replica of a Roman bath-house and hold wild orgies 24 hours a day.

IT COULD HAPPEN!

stabby Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:49:45am

re: #23 RadicalModerate

WTF?

dragonfire1981 Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:49:50am

re: #53 Interesting Times

It’d be funny if it wasn’t so close to the truth…

lawhawk Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:50:07am

re: #36 HappyWarrior

Commander Cody, the time has come. Execute Order 66./

HappyWarrior Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:50:31am

re: #57 dragonfire1981

It’d be funny if it wasn’t so close to the truth…

Yeah in this day of people smashing vehicles because they don’t like bumper stickers, this is unfortunately true. Still though.

stabby Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:50:42am

re: #25 Lidane

Men being able to get pregnant.

I guarantee you, the moment a man can become pregnant, birth control pills, condoms, and emergency contraception will available in every sports bar in this country, right next to the bowl of beer nuts. Birth control would also be covered by insurance with no strings attached, paid maternity leave would be extended to a year, and abortion would be provided in every hospital in this country.

I’ve never seen anything updinged so fast. Go for the record, girl!

erik_t Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:51:05am

re: #58 lawhawk

Commander Cody, the time has come. Execute Order 66./

66… the DemocRAT senate is going to impeach Alito!?!?!?!1

Targetpractice Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:51:16am

re: #52 Gus

I heard something really stupid the other day from some wingnut. Simple phrase. It said, “Obama to LEGISLATE…” Something about gun control. Derp.

Obama can’t legislate a damned thing, he can only propose to and sign/veto what comes out of the legislature. And with both the “Hastert Rule” and the filibuster in effect, the GOP maintains a stranglehold on anything Obama could hope to accomplish.

If anything, this nation is in more danger of one-party rule through the GOP’s machinations to effectively rig elections at every level in their favor than any danger that Obama will declare himself Caesar.

dragonfire1981 Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:51:46am

I would consider myself pro-life.

BUT…

- I believe in access to condoms/birth control
- I believe in proper sex education
- I believe people need to be smart when making decisions about sex (i.e. take it seriously considering the potential consequences)
- I do believe there are instances where abortion would be acceptable (rape, incest or life or mother)

dragonfire1981 Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:52:22am

re: #58 lawhawk

Commander Cody, the time has come. Execute Order 66./

It will be done my muslim Lord.

HappyWarrior Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:53:11am

You know Hitler, the guy the nutjobs like to compare Obama so often had already eliminated all opposition, established the first concentration camps. had absorbed Austria into Germany, killed interparty rivals, etc by his fifth year in office.

Kragar Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:55:17am

re: #65 HappyWarrior

You know Hitler, the guy the nutjobs like to compare Obama so often had already eliminated all opposition, established the first concentration camps. had absorbed Austria into Germany, killed interparty rivals, etc by his fifth year in office.

So you’re saying the Tea Party has managed to hold his aggression in check so far?
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erik_t Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:56:00am

re: #62 Targetpractice

If anything, this nation is in more danger of one-party rule through the GOP’s machinations to effectively rig elections at every level in their favor than any danger that Obama will declare himself Caesar.

Checks and balances, Republican style: We will balance your electoral victories and popular support by holding the economy in check until you relent.

HappyWarrior Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:56:07am

re: #66 Kragar

So you’re saying the Tea Party has managed to hold his aggression in check so far?
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Yea //

RadicalModerate Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:57:04am

re: #45 dragonfire1981

Georgia bars gay man from getting “GAYGUY” vanity plate

Shockingly, the 3 pro Gay vanity plates the guy wanted all on the state’s banned list.

For those of you interested, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution has a searchable database of all banned vanity license plates for Georgia.

[Link: www.ajc.com…]

HappyWarrior Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:57:45am

The most hilarious part is when the nutcases wanted electoral voters not to vote for Obama. Yeah Obama gets nearly 5 million more of the popular vote than Romney and wins in a electoral landslide but they shouldn’t vote. That would be what’s called a coup and subverting the will of the people.

HappyWarrior Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:59:06am

re: #69 RadicalModerate

For those of you interested, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution has a searchable database of all banned vanity license plates for Georgia.

[Link: www.ajc.com…]

Can’t do FatLady. What if you’re a very proud opera singer?

Kragar Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:59:28am

re: #70 HappyWarrior

The most hilarious part is when the nutcases wanted electoral voters not to vote for Obama. Yeah Obama gets nearly 5 million more of the popular vote than Romney and wins in a electoral landslide but they shouldn’t vote. That would be what’s called a coup and subverting the will of the people.

Their solution: redraw the maps so democrats can’t win a national election.

HappyWarrior Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:59:50am

re: #72 Kragar

Their solution: redraw the maps so democrats can’t win a national election.

DEMOCRACY!

Targetpractice Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:00:02am

re: #67 erik_t

Checks and balances, Republican style: We will balance your electoral victories and popular support by holding the economy in check until you relent.

Yeah, now the they’ve backed off refusing to raise the debt limit altogether and are proposing a 3-month hike dependent on writing a budget, with whichever how that fails to pass a budget not getting paid. I guess it works from a populist viewpoint, showing the people how “serious” they are about it by “punishing” do-nothing Congress critters.

But all it does is allow the House GOP to pass the “Ryan Plan” a third time on a purely party-line vote, while the Senate GOP uses the public pressure to push Senate Dems into accepting a much more conservative budget because they’ll filibuster any purely Dem budget.

HappyWarrior Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:00:32am

Man though looking at the stats, it’s interesting how Obama and Romney’s stats in Virginia almost mirror the country as a whole.

Targetpractice Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:00:42am

re: #72 Kragar

Their solution: redraw the maps so democrats can’t win a national election.

I reiterate my call for the party to be renamed the “Banana Republican Party.”

Lidane Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:01:22am

re: #63 dragonfire1981

I would consider myself pro-life.

BUT…

- I believe in access to condoms/birth control
- I believe in proper sex education
- I believe people need to be smart when making decisions about sex (i.e. take it seriously considering the potential consequences)
- I do believe there are instances where abortion would be acceptable (rape, incest or life or mother)

By the standards of the modern “pro-life” movement, you’re a godless heathen and a genocidal pro-abortionist. Just so you know.

Kragar Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:01:58am

re: #71 HappyWarrior

Can’t do FatLady. What if you’re a very proud opera singer?

I wonder if B4TBG would be allowed.

Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:02:01am

re: #41 Targetpractice

Indeed, it reminds me of Stewart’s remark the other night about how dictators don’t ask the legislature if its OK for them to impose tyranny on the people.

Obama is an inept dictator. He can’t even manage to get 100% of the fixed vote.

Gus Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:03:03am

Shooting in Texas.

HappyWarrior Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:03:19am

re: #79 Feline Fearless Leader

I like how it’s always somewhere in between 95 and 100 because the dictator wants the appearance that some opposition is allowed. See, we’re not a dictatorship. I only got 99.6% of the vote!

Gus Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:03:44am

LIVE coverage of Lonestar College campus shoot —> bit.ly/Uib89r #schoolshooting twitter.com/KPRCLocal2/sta…
— KPRC Local 2 Houston (@KPRCLocal2) January 22, 2013

wrenchwench Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:04:24am

re: #80 Gus

Shooting in Texas.

Fuck.

HappyWarrior Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:04:35am

Damn another one.

Gus Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:04:40am

A Lone Star College spokesperson says shots were fired and the campus is locked down. “”It’s a pretty chaotic scene at this point in time.”
— Houston Chronicle (@HoustonChron) January 22, 2013

Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:05:21am

re: #81 HappyWarrior

I like how it’s always somewhere in between 95 and 100 because the dictator wants the appearance that some opposition is allowed. See, we’re not a dictatorship. I only got 99.6% of the vote!

But most dictators don’t have unskewed polls to provide proper adjustments to the numbers.

Gus Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:05:34am

Posting Tweets is pretty funky all of the sudden.

lawhawk Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:05:55am

re: #80 Gus

Something besides this?

Just after midnight today, a SWAT deployed stun grenades at the front door of a building where three had been barricaded for about nine hours, securing all three without shots fired.

The three men Monday morning had fled from a Department of Public safety trooper eastbound on Interstate 20 in Mitchell County after firing shots at him and evaded captured for almost 18 hours.

After the darkened building — described as a private cafe on Austin street, just south of Business 20 — had been surrounded by law enforcement and a DPS helicopter illuminated the structure, SWAT team members just after midnight launched their assault. They successfully entered and took the three men into custody without incident.

The area of the city had been secured and residents evacuated.

Apparently they were clocked doing 109mph when the LEO pulled the car with OK plates over.

Kragar Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:06:45am

See the media keeps hyping up these shootings, but never mentions the hundreds of senseless hammer attacks which must be occurring every day.

erik_t Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:07:07am

re: #87 Gus

Posting Tweets is pretty funky all of the sudden.

They now work for Firefox but not for Chrome, at least on my end.

lawhawk Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:07:08am

Wait. Found it. Multiple ppl shot on a college campus.

Multiple people have been shot at a Harris County college, Harris County Precinct 4 deputy constables said.

Investigators said the shooting happened at Lone Star College’s North Harris campus, 2700 West W. W. Thorne Drive near Aldine Westfield shortly after noon.

Officials have not said exactly how many people have been shot or the extent of their injuries. Memorial Hermann Hospital said Life Flight was being sent to the college to pick up at least one patient.

Deputy constables said they have at least one person detained, but have not said if that person is a suspected shooter.

Gus Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:07:23am

re: #89 Kragar

See the media keeps hyping up these shootings, but never mentions the hundreds of senseless hammer attacks which must be occurring every day.

Don’t forget the ninja credit card star deaths.

Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:07:28am

re: #87 Gus

Posting Tweets is pretty funky all of the sudden.

Twitter is messing with the embedded tweet code.

dragonfire1981 Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:08:46am

re: #77 Lidane

By the standards of the modern “pro-life” movement, you’re a godless heathen and a genocidal pro-abortionist. Just so you know.

I know, but I don’t care.

I’m a Christian and that’s how I feel about abortion and I’m not afraid to state it.

Targetpractice Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:09:00am

re: #91 lawhawk

Wait. Found it. Multiple ppl shot on a college campus.

See, there’s nothing to fear from these shootings! Dumbass was such a poor shot that he didn’t kill anyone!

HappyWarrior Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:09:00am

Media’s also covering up the truth about ping-pongs. How many more of these shootings need to happen before certain parties decide to finally be serious on this issue?

dragonfire1981 Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:09:29am

Just put a new page up, I’m pretty pleased with this one I got to say:

If a picture is worth 1000 words, these may be worth 1000 lives

engineer cat Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:09:48am

embedded tweet

they have a pill for that now

Gus Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:10:40am

re: #93 Charles Johnson

Twitter is messing with the embedded tweet code.

Yeah, seems to be spotty but they eventually show up here and there.

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RadicalModerate Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:10:51am

re: #71 HappyWarrior

Can’t do FatLady. What if you’re a very proud opera singer?

Two of my all-time favorites came from Virginia:

Image: va_etkf_licenseplate.jpg

Image: va_tim_licenseplate.jpg

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erik_t Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:10:52am

The Lone Star College Office of Emergency Management website is understandably choked right now, and I feel bad and wasteful contributing to that, but how much would y’all like to bet that the college already has armed security officers?

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Kragar Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:10:53am

re: #92 Gus

Don’t forget the ninja credit card star deaths.

Duh, they’re ninjas. No one ever reports those.

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Gus Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:11:55am

re: #102 Kragar

Duh, they’re ninjas. No one ever reports those.

Pretty much. Same like Secret Executive Orders!

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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:12:47am

re: #97 dragonfire1981

Just put a new page up, I’m pretty pleased with this one I got to say:

If a picture is worth 1000 words, these may be worth 1000 lives

Scarier thought? How many of those thousand rounds have been bought up by another Holmes, Loughner, or Lanza? The gun dealers no doubt have made a mint and are loving the increase in sales, but did that bring an increase in vigilance as well? Or were they happy to sell that rifle to the guy mumbling to himself because it boosts their revenue?

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Kragar Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:12:51am

Interesting fun fact:

What Westerners think of as the traditional “Ninja Uniform” is really just the clothes Japanese stagehands used to wear during Kabuki plays.

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Gus Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:12:53am

Clearly another false flag operation in order to eventually confiscate your guns. /

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lawhawk Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:13:20am

There are reports of multiple casualties in the library. Also reports that there were two shooters involved. The college campus has a police force on campus. Nearby local public schools were in lockdown. Via Local 2 video feed on Ch 9 Houston.

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Kragar Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:13:40am

re: #106 Gus

Clearly another false flag operation in order to eventually confiscate your guns. /

Get in touch with security and have them round up the crisis actors.
/

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Lidane Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:13:57am

re: #106 Gus

Clearly another false flag operation in order to eventually confiscate your guns. /

So clever that they did it here in Texas, where “gun control” means having steady aim.

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Eventual Carrion Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:14:00am

re: #55 Kragar

But it could happen. IT COULD!

He could also replace the Lincoln bedroom with an authentic replica of a Roman bath-house and hold wild orgies 24 hours a day.

IT COULD HAPPEN!

I know if I was pres I would.

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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:14:31am

re: #89 Kragar

See the media keeps hyping up these shootings, but never mentions the hundreds of senseless hammer attacks which must be occurring every day.

And thousands, if not millions, are getting hammered every night!
/

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dragonfire1981 Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:14:34am

re: #104 Targetpractice

Scarier thought? How many of those thousand rounds have been bought up by another Holmes, Loughner, or Lanza? The gun dealers no doubt have made a mint and are loving the increase in sales, but did that bring an increase in vigilance as well? Or were they happy to sell that rifle to the guy mumbling to himself because it boosts their revenue?

That was the exact thought that prompted me to take those photos.

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dragonfire1981 Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:14:54am

re: #108 Kragar

Get in touch with security and have them round up the crisis actors.
/

Bring in the usual suspects!

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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:14:57am

re: #107 lawhawk

There are reports of multiple casualties in the library. Also reports that there were two shooters involved. The college campus has a police force on campus. Nearby local public schools were in lockdown.

Curious to see if the reports of multiple shooters will pan out. We’ve seen past shootings where initial reports of multiple shooters turned out to be different people seeing the same shooter.

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engineer cat Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:15:39am

re: #97 dragonfire1981

Just put a new page up, I’m pretty pleased with this one I got to say:

If a picture is worth 1000 words, these may be worth 1000 lives

my 2nd amendment right of living in a society where militias are well regulated is being trampled on

and children are dying because if it

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Tigger2 Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:15:42am

re: #111 Feline Fearless Leader

And thousands, if not millions, are getting hammered every night!
/

The last time I got hammered I was cut off and thrown out of the bar.

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Kragar Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:16:29am

re: #113 dragonfire1981

Bring in the usual suspects!

My daughter and I just started watching that last night. Going to finish watching it tonight.

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RadicalModerate Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:16:39am

Another live video stream of the Houston college campus shootings here:

[Link: www.khou.com…]

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Eventual Carrion Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:16:51am

re: #66 Kragar

So you’re saying the Tea Party has managed to hold his aggression in check so far?
///

Yep, and my anti-elephant dust has been working spectacularly here in NW PA. Haven’t seen a one since I started using it.

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darthstar Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:17:25am

WTF? Another campus shooting?

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lawhawk Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:17:51am

The Lone Star College website is currently indicating a shelter in place situation:

ALERT: LSC-North Harris-Shelter in Place

Important Notice!

ALERT: LSC-North Harris - Shelter in Place

LSC-North Harris is under a shelter in place. Students, Faculty and Staff are advised to take immediate shelter where you are.

Posted 01/22/2013 at 12:47 pm

Lone Star College System is committed to providing a safe environment in which to learn, study, and work. We are better prepared for an emergency thanks to the many men and women here to serve you.

RSS Feed

In The Event of An Emergency

Our ability to survive a disaster also depends on you doing your part to
prepare for the unexpected. When calling an emergency assistance number, remember to:

Give your name, location and phone number.
Describe what happened.
Do not hang up unitl asked to do so.
Look for information from your Lone Star Email (UserID@lonestar.edu or UserID@my.lonestar.edu), Twitter, and local media sources.

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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:18:28am

And it’s a shooting in Texas, too. Should be interesting to hear the gomers argue that one.

Strict gun laws aren’t stopping these shooters fro…wait, it’s in Texas? FUCK!

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Geoff with a G Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:18:42am

re: #69 RadicalModerate

For those of you interested, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution has a searchable database of all banned vanity license plates for Georgia.

[Link: www.ajc.com…]

GAYSCK = Gay Sock?

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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:19:08am

IF ONLY THEIR WAZ A GOOD GUY WITH A GUN!1!

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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:19:25am

re: #114 Targetpractice

Curious to see if the reports of multiple shooters will pan out. We’ve seen past shootings where initial reports of multiple shooters turned out to be different people seeing the same shooter.

The first-day media reporting of the Sandy Hook shooting was pretty much the gold-standard for worthless rumor-spreading. As a general rule, all incident field reports are somewhat wrong, and the earlier, the more wrong. Waiting for the results of some kind of investigation.

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Kragar Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:19:43am

re: #124 Vicious Babushka

It’s Texas. They don’t have any.

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HappyWarrior Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:20:28am

re: #123 Geoff with a G

GAYSCK = Gay Sock?

Suck?

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Lidane Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:20:47am

Lone Star College policy on active shooters:

[Link: www.lonestar.edu…] (PDF link)

The highlights, from here:

An Active Shooter is a situation where one or more suspects participate in a random or systematic shooting spree, and demonstrating intent to continuously harm others. The overriding objective appears to be that of inflicting serious bodily injury or death rather than other criminal conduct. These situations are dynamic and evolve rapidly, demanding immediate deployment of law enforcement resources to stop the shooting and mitigate harm to innocent victims.

In The Classroom Or Office

If you are in a classroom, room or office, STAY THERE, secure the door and turn off the lights.
Remain silent.
If the door has no lock and the door opens in, a heavy door wedge can be kept on hand and used, otherwise look for heavy furniture to barricade the door.
If the door has a window, cover it.
Depending on the gunmen’s location, you may also exit through windows. Have someone watch as you get as many students out through windows as calmly and as quietly as possible.
If the windows do not open, you cannot break them, or you are not on a ground floor, get out of sight from the door and stay low and quiet.
If no police units are on scene, move well away from the incident and find safe cover positions (not the parking lots) and wait for the police to arrive.
When police officers arrive, while keeping your hands on top of your head and do exactly what the police tell you to do.

In Hallways Or Corridors

If in the hallways, get in a room that is not already secured and secure it.
Unless you are very close to an exit, do not run through a long hall to get to one, as you may encounter the gunmen or hostage taker.

In Large Rooms Or Auditoriums

If in a gym or theater area and the gunmen are not present, move to an external exit and move toward any police unit.
Drop all bags and keep your hands on your head.
Do what the police tell you to do.

Open Spaces

Stay alert and look for appropriate cover locations. Hard cover, such as brick walls, large trees, retaining walls, parked vehicles, and any other object that may stop bullets, may be utilized as cover.

Trapped With The Gunmen

If you are trapped with the gunmen, don’t do anything to provoke them.
If they are not shooting, do what they say and don’t move suddenly.
There is no set procedure in this situation.
If possible, call X5911 or 281.290.5911 and talk with a police dispatcher.
If you cannot speak, leave the phone line open so the police can hear what is going on.
If they do start shooting people, you need to make a choice: stay still and hope they do not shoot you, run for an exit while zigzagging, or attack the shooter.
If you chose to run, a zigzagging moving target is much harder to hit than a straight runner.
Playing dead may also be a consideration.
It is not a recommendation to attack the shooter, but remember that you have a choice to fight when there are no other options.
The last thing that the shooter will expect is to be attacked by you.

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HappyWarrior Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:21:45am

re: #125 Decatur Deb

The first-day media reports of the Sandy Hook shooting was pretty much the gold-standard for worthless rumor-spreading. As a general rule, all incident field reports are somewhat wrong, and the earlier, the more wrong. Waiting for the results of some kind of investigation.

Yeah with Sandy Hook, we had the wrong name of the shooter.

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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:22:54am

re: #128 Lidane

Lone Star College policy on active shooters:

[Link: www.lonestar.edu…] (PDF link)

The highlights, from here:

What, no “If you’re armed, take the SOB down”?

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Tigger2 Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:23:35am

Thats re: #129 HappyWarrior

Yeah with Sandy Hook, we had the wrong name of the shooter.

That’s what is wrong with the 24 hr news cycle. They are in to much of a hurry to get it on air to get the facts.

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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:24:15am

re: #129 HappyWarrior

Yeah with Sandy Hook, we had the wrong name of the shooter.

Wrong name, wrong numbers, wrong weapons, wrong relationship to the school, and probably more.

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Lidane Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:24:19am

re: #130 Targetpractice

What, no “If you’re armed, take the SOB down”?

Funny that.

They tell you that you’ve got the option to fight and/or attack the gunman if you don’t have any other choice, but they don’t recommend doing it.

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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:24:25am

re: #130 Targetpractice

What, no “If you’re armed, take the SOB down”?

Imagine the legal liabilities involved *if* that was included.

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Kragar Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:25:10am

Ted Nugent claims his ‘buddies’ are willing to start an armed revolt

Detroit-born southern rockabilly Ted Nugent isn’t known for moderation, but from the sound of his latest comments, the re-election of President Barack Obama (D) has made him ever more extreme.

Speaking to fans during an NBC-sponsored gun show, Nugent said that Obama “is attempting to re-implement the tyranny of King George that we escaped from in 1776,” adding: “If you want another Concord bridge, I’ve got some buddies.”

The comment was a reference to the Battle of Concord, in which a British soldier broke a standoff and fired upon assembled American militiamen, in what later became known as “the shot heard around the world” that helped launch the Revolutionary War.

I’m sure the FBI and Secret Service would like to talk to Ted about his buddies. I wonder if Ted knows shitting your pants doesn’t get you out of jail?

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Tigger2 Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:26:16am

re: #135 Kragar

Ted Nugent claims his ‘buddies’ are willing to start an armed revolt

I’m sure the FBI and Secret Service would like to talk to Ted about his buddies. I wonder if Ted knows shitting your pants doesn’t get you out of jail?

Like you said Ted would just shit his pants and let his buddies handle it.

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Lidane Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:26:39am

re: #135 Kragar

Ted Nugent claims his ‘buddies’ are willing to start an armed revolt

I’m sure the FBI and Secret Service would like to talk to Ted about his buddies. I wonder if Ted knows shitting your pants doesn’t get you out of jail?

Let them do it. Let Ted and his buddies take their guns and aim them at the US government. See how long they’d actually last.

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HappyWarrior Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:27:05am

re: #135 Kragar

Ted Nugent claims his ‘buddies’ are willing to start an armed revolt

I’m sure the FBI and Secret Service would like to talk to Ted about his buddies. I wonder if Ted knows shitting your pants doesn’t get you out of jail?

Another idiot who thinks he and his are the heirs to the revolution, that’s cute.

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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:27:10am

re: #133 Lidane

Funny that.

They tell you that you’ve got the option to fight and/or attack the gunman if you don’t have any other choice, but they don’t recommend doing it.

Which is what the cops say too: Fighting the shooter should be the absolute last resort.

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darthstar Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:29:01am

re: #125 Decatur Deb

The first-day media reporting of the Sandy Hook shooting was pretty much the gold-standard for worthless rumor-spreading. As a general rule, all incident field reports are somewhat wrong, and the earlier, the more wrong. Waiting for the results of some kind of investigation.

In the meantime, there’s lots of talk about a black man running away from the campus after the shooting started. Could be a second shooter or just a scared student getting the fuck out of there. I’m going back to painting the dining room. All this hyper speculation just makes me ill.

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AntonSirius Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:47:45am

re: #15 Mattand

What’s it going to take to stop this horseshit?

Midterm turnout.

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Fortitudine Tue, Jan 22, 2013 5:30:14pm

“The dialogue we have had in the last year has contributed … to inform and shift attitudes.”

Way to go, GOP!

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