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Indiana GOP Pushes Bill to Mandate TWO Invasive Ultrasounds

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Republicans in Indiana are not happy with a bill that mandates an invasive transvaginal ultrasound procedure before a woman would be allowed to have an abortion.

They’re not happy because they want to force women to undergo TWO invasive transvaginal ultrasound procedures — before and after: Double Ultrasound Bill in Indiana Passes Out of Senate Committee.

The Indiana state Senate on Wednesday advanced a bill that would require women to undergo an ultrasound procedure both before and after having a medication-induced abortion during the first trimester of pregnancy.

The Senate Health and Provider Services Committee approved Senate Bill 371 on Wednesday by a vote of 7 to 5, sending it to a full vote in the state Senate. The bill, introduced by state Sen. Travis Holdman (R), imposes heavy regulations on clinics and physicians that offer medication abortions, which are generally used to end a pregnancy up to 10 weeks from a woman’s last period. It would require women to be presented with the sound and image of the fetal heartbeat before the abortion and to return for a follow-up ultrasound to ensure that she is no longer pregnant and has stopped bleeding.

Dr. Anne Davis, the consulting medical director for Physicians for Reproductive Health, said the requirement would place an undue burden on women seeking to end their pregnancies. “She can do a blood test at any local facility after an abortion to show that the hormone levels are going down as they should, there’s no medical reason to make her drive back to the abortion clinic and go through another ultrasound,” she said. “This is yet another onerous, medically unnecessary barrier.”

The director of the Indiana chapter of religious fanatic anti-choice group “Right to Life” says, “Hey, just think of it like having sex. What’s the big deal?”

Sue Swayze, the legislative director of Indiana Right to Life, told local radio station WBAA that that goal of the bill is to protect women’s safety and hold abortion clinics to higher health standards. She said she does not understand why it would be a problem to mandate transvaginal ultrasounds.

“I got pregnant vaginally,” she said. “Something else could come in my vagina for a medical test that wouldn’t be that intrusive to me. So I find that argument a little ridiculous.”

If that disgusting little talking point sounds familiar, it’s because it’s the same one used by wingnut ranter Dana Loesch.

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110 comments

1 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 1:57:29pm

Somewhere, some GOP thinktank heard this is said “Can we get up to 3?”

2 klys  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 1:59:28pm

“Just think of it like having sex.”

Because the government is totally allowed to dictate to me who I have sex with.

3 geoffm33  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 1:59:32pm

What wasteful healthcare spending?

4 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 1:59:51pm

universal healthcare = Tyranny!

Vaginal ultrasound penatrations = no big effin deal.

Conservalogic.

5 Shvaughn  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:04:22pm

Today at LGF I learned I’m a hell-bound heretic.

6 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:05:20pm

re: #5 Shvaughn

Today at LGF I learned I’m a hell-bound heretic.

Well, its about time someone broke the news to you.
/

7 The Mountain That Blogs  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:05:31pm

“Well, I engaged in consensual sex, so this mandated insertion is totally ok!”
-no one, ever.

The “this is what you get for having sex” crowd is getting pretty blatant here. Not that it hasn’t always been about this.

8 OtterQueen  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:05:40pm

Okay, I’ll think of it as having sex. I don’t have sex with anyone but my husband. So put your wand away.

9 Shvaughn  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:06:07pm

re: #6 Kragar (Antichrist )

Well, its about time someone broke the news to you.
/

I know! It’s a relief to finally know for sure.

10 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:08:42pm

If its just like sex, then abstinence only is the only safe option right?

11 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:10:14pm

Maybe women in Indiana should bring their AR-15’s along with them to the clinic to prevent rapes like this.

12 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:10:41pm

re: #11 Bulworth

Maybe women in Indiana should bring their AR-15’s along with them to the clinic to prevent rapes like this.

Sounds about right.

13 mr.fusion  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:11:31pm
Something else could come in my vagina for a medical test that wouldn’t be that intrusive to me.

Just because you don’t find things going into your vagina willy-nilly to be invasive doesn’t mean someone else won’t.

there’s a word for forcing something into someone else’s vagina….can’t think of it off the top of my head

14 blueraven  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:11:43pm

re: #5 Shvaughn

Today at LGF I learned I’m a hell-bound heretic.

No fair! That is what I wanted to be, but I am not a Protestant. Oh well.

15 Mich-again  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:11:49pm
“I got pregnant vaginally,” she said.

She does know that those little swimming thingies can’t get there through the other .. umm, channels right?

16 Shvaughn  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:12:23pm

re: #14 blueraven

No fair! That is what I wanted to be, but I am not a Protestant. Oh well.

Maybe you can pretend and we can party in hell together.

17 thatthatisis  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:13:15pm

I haven’t had time to comment much lately. And I’d love to come back with a really clever, insightful zinger.

But this story just made me too angry. It’s hard for me to be clever, but being both clever and angry is beyond me.

18 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:13:41pm

re: #14 blueraven

No fair! That is what I wanted to be, but I am not a Protestant. Oh well.

don’t worry, if you aren’t a member of (insert name of religion here) you are hellbound anyway!

19 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:14:17pm

I know, let’s make men undergo a prostate exam before they take a viagra and then undergo one after!

20 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:14:56pm

re: #17 thatthatisis

I haven’t had time to comment much lately. And I’d love to come back with a really clever, insightful zinger.

But this story just made me too angry. It’s hard for me to be clever, but being both clever and angry is beyond me.

Yeah. For me on this one it’s been: Type. Delete. Type. Delete.

21 OtterQueen  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:18:15pm

I’m having a hard time with anyone comparing this to rape. I’ve been raped, and I’ve had a transvaginal ultrasound before an abortion, and I can tell you that the two experiences were completely different.

Forced ultrasounds are ridiculous, unnecessary, and invasive, but I can’t equate them to rape. As for letting a doctor put something inside me against my will, I have to get a medically unnecessary pelvic exam and pap smear every year in order to get birth control pills, but no one is calling that rape.

Am I wrong here? Seriously, I’m not trying to stir up shit, I just want to know if you see any flaws in my point of view.

22 Lidane  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:19:04pm

re: #19 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I know, let’s make men undergo a prostate exam before they take a viagra and then undergo one after!

Better yet, make them endure those prostate exams with an ultrasound wand, just for the added experience.

23 stabby  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:19:34pm

I thought of this back when I first found out about the wand.

What’s to stop them from mandating 100 transvaginal utrasounds. Or 1000?

24 stabby  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:22:02pm

I think that these would be ok as long as the governer has to show up and ALSO take an ultrasound up the ass ever time a woman gets hers, and he should do it in front of the press. And if he doesn’t take his then the woman can waive hers.

25 Lidane  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:22:39pm

re: #21 OtterQueen

Forced ultrasounds are ridiculous, unnecessary, and invasive, but I can’t equate them to rape. As for letting a doctor put something inside me against my will, I have to get a medically unnecessary pelvic exam and pap smear every year in order to get birth control pills, but no one is calling that rape..

You’re missing the point. This isn’t about the ultrasound procedure. It’s about forcing women to undergo a needless procedure at their own expense. There is no good reason to force a transvaginal ultrasound on a woman unless you want to slut shame her or force her to spend money she might not have so you can interfere with her rights.

These are deliberate barriers and methods of slut shaming women so that the ranting lunatics in the pro-life movement can control a woman’s life.

26 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:22:42pm

Everybody noticed that our front page now has infinite scrolling, right? Scroll to the bottom and ten more posts are loaded automagically.

Works on LGF Pages indexes too.

27 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:23:37pm

re: #21 OtterQueen

Your point of view comes from experience. Hard to argue with that.

28 OtterQueen  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:25:08pm

re: #25 Lidane

You’re missing the point. This isn’t about the ultrasound procedure. It’s about forcing women to undergo a needless procedure at their own expense. There is no good reason to force a transvaginal ultrasound on a woman unless you want to slut shame her or force her to spend money she might not have so you can interfere with her rights.

These are deliberate barriers and methods of slut shaming women so that the ranting lunatics in the pro-life movement can control a woman’s life.

No, I totally get the point. I understand why they want this legislation and I agree with everything you’ve said here. I just think calling it rape is a little disrespectful to rape victims. I guess in a way it’s a rape of a woman’s privacy and autonomy…

29 stabby  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:27:56pm

I wonder what the Supreme court would say about this.

They almost said that the government can’t mandate insurance or broccoli, it can mandate a wand up the vag?

30 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:28:47pm

Rebecca Marino quits tennis because of bullying on social media

Think back to those days as kids when you were standing on a basketball court or a putting green or a tennis court day-dreaming about what it would be like to one day be a professional. A kid’s mind wonders to Fenway or Augusta or Wimbledon, creating a fantasy world where you are the person everyone is watching and rooting for and that shot you take or that putt you hit is somehow superimposed on that huge stage.

And then imagine you get there. Hour after sweaty hour you spend on your backhand and serve and you slowly improve to one of the best in the world. And once you get there, you keep getting slammed by people you don’t even know and that forces you to eventually leave the game you worked so hard to enter.

Meet Rebecca Marino, a 22-year-old Canadian tennis player who has been ranked as high as 38th in the world in women’s professional tennis. Marino has a 150-107 record in her WTA career, with no wins and one runner-up back in 2011. This week, Marino announced that she would be retiring from professional tennis because she was struggling with all the online abuse she was getting from “fans” that berated her on social media.

31 Sionainn  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:29:13pm

re: #5 Shvaughn

Today at LGF I learned I’m a hell-bound heretic.

He’s a dumbass.

32 klys  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:29:24pm

re: #21 OtterQueen

As an honest question (and feel free not to answer), was the transvaginal ultrasound recommended by the doctor or required by law?

I think for me part of the issue is that we’re all used to sucking it up and going with doctor’s recommendations even if we aren’t keen on them, because that’s a recommendation being made on our own case (generally) and supposedly by someone who has some idea of what our best interests are.

I don’t for a moment believe that any politician knows what’s best for me and think they should be kept out of all medical decisions, but particularly to recommend something like that is …distasteful. I am somewhat ambivalent about calling it rape for a number of reasons and probably lean slightly against.

For the record, the pelvic exam and pap smear are definitely in the category of “shit I put up with for my own good” because of the chance for cervical cancer. But only for that reason. There’s no reason to have to have it every year just for birth control.

33 sunnygal  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:30:35pm

I’ve had a TV ultrasound. Believe me, it’s nothing like having sex. If sex was like that, there would be a lot less sex.

A friend of mine had a TV ultrasound and she ended up bleeding from it. Yeah, this is done for the mother’s health.// Tell me lies, tell me lies, tell me great whopper lies.

34 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:32:12pm

re: #5 Shvaughn

Today at LGF I learned I’m a hell-bound heretic.

Hey, we are going to have such a good time! Just every about everyone we like is going to be there, including their dogs!

I hear they have oreos too!

35 Sionainn  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:32:21pm

re: #21 OtterQueen

I’m having a hard time with anyone comparing this to rape. I’ve been raped, and I’ve had a transvaginal ultrasound before an abortion, and I can tell you that the two experiences were completely different.

Forced ultrasounds are ridiculous, unnecessary, and invasive, but I can’t equate them to rape. As for letting a doctor put something inside me against my will, I have to get a medically unnecessary pelvic exam and pap smear every year in order to get birth control pills, but no one is calling that rape.

Am I wrong here? Seriously, I’m not trying to stir up shit, I just want to know if you see any flaws in my point of view.

I’m really glad I got that medically unnecessary Pap smear when I got my birth control pills as it saved me from abnormal cells on my cervix from becoming cancerous.

36 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:32:35pm

TV ultrasounds are done for the health of the woman just as much as cutting taxes on the rich are done to create jobs.

37 Randall Gross  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:32:41pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

Everybody noticed that our front page now has infinite scrolling, right? Scroll to the bottom and ten more posts are loaded automagically.

Works on LGF Pages indexes too.

Yes, it’s really really cool. Also noticed you are getting under some stalker’s skin and they are spamming #lgfpages with an auto tuned Charles attack vid.

38 stabby  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:33:28pm

re: #21 OtterQueen

meet

re: #33 sunnygal

I’ve had a TV ultrasound. Believe me, it’s nothing like having sex. If sex was like that, there would be a lot less sex.

A friend of mine had a TV ultrasound and she ended up bleeding from it. Yeah, this is done for the mother’s health.// Tell me lies, tell me lies, tell me great whopper lies.

39 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:33:36pm

re: #35 Sionainn

I’m really glad I got that medically unnecessary Pap smear when I got my birth control pills as it saved me from abnormal cells on my cervix from becoming cancerous.

My wife gave up on getting birth control pills because she was fed up with all the needless horseshit the doctor wanted her to go thru before hand.

40 Lidane  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:34:40pm
41 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:35:37pm

Women should just carry AR-15’s into the clinic! Then nobody will mess with their vaginas!//

42 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:35:46pm

re: #21 OtterQueen

I’m having a hard time with anyone comparing this to rape. I’ve been raped, and I’ve had a transvaginal ultrasound before an abortion, and I can tell you that the two experiences were completely different.

Forced ultrasounds are ridiculous, unnecessary, and invasive, but I can’t equate them to rape. As for letting a doctor put something inside me against my will, I have to get a medically unnecessary pelvic exam and pap smear every year in order to get birth control pills, but no one is calling that rape.

Am I wrong here? Seriously, I’m not trying to stir up shit, I just want to know if you see any flaws in my point of view.

One can’t compare it to violent rape, but it is a physical violation. It is a State Mandated Violation.

Unlike other medical vaginal ultrasounds that are necessary for health reasons, for the mother or the baby, (and are not mandated by the State) this is not. This is purely a Political Mandate.

43 OtterQueen  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:35:55pm

re: #32 klys

No, it wasn’t mandated by law, I understand the difference here. And, yes it’s good to get regular pelvic exams, but even the AMA says they’re unnecessary for getting birth control pills.

44 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:36:36pm

re: #30 Kragar (Antichrist )

From the article:

Marino admitted during a conference call this week announcing her retirement that she has been battling depression for over six years and all the negative energy from the social media outlets just pushed her into a darker place instead of improving her outlook on life.

Not that “negative energy” helps anything, but I think it’s likely that her decision to withdraw from tennis has mostly to do with depression, and social media is just details. She’d probably be at the same point even if she’d never heard of Twitter.

45 klys  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:36:37pm

re: #39 Kragar (Antichrist )

My wife gave up on getting birth control pills because she was fed up with all the needless horseshit the doctor wanted her to go thru before hand.

There are definitely doctors who push the issue a hell of a lot more than is needed.

I’m on BC. Have been on BC from a fairly young age because I like to be a functioning human being all month long. Opted for an IUD a few years ago because the risk of pregnancy is lower (less chance of failure).

On my followup visit, the doctor overseeing the resident commented that she wouldn’t have recommended hormonal BC for me because of some of my other health issues. I considered it quite good that I refrained from snapping at her that my other issues would probably be worse without it.

46 Sionainn  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:37:01pm

re: #39 Kragar (Antichrist )

My wife gave up on getting birth control pills because she was fed up with all the needless horseshit the doctor wanted her to go thru before hand.

I only had the exams/Pap smears once a year and I’m sure glad I did because I wouldn’t have found out I had a problem until it was too late.

47 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:37:03pm

Perhaps if the State were paying for both the ultrasound and the Abortion, they might have some grounds for requiring the ultrasound. But they are not.

48 Mich-again  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:37:57pm

Its all part of the GOP’s laser-like focus on jobs..

49 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:38:05pm

re: #46 Sionainn

I only had the exams/Pap smears once a year and I’m sure glad I did because I wouldn’t have found out I had a problem until it was too late.

I would literally need to tase my wife and tie her into the car to get her in to the doctor for anything at this point.

50 klys  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:38:35pm

re: #43 OtterQueen

Oh, I completely agree the pelvic exam isn’t necessary for BC. I was not pleased to have to deal with that bullshit for a while either. But I didn’t bitch too much because I figure that, to some extent, that’s the carrot they use to get college-age females to come in for their annual exam.

Plus at least the doctors I go to have implemented the 3 years of normal tests and you can cut the Pap smear down to ever third year or whatever it is. Small blessings, I will take. (That shit hurts.)

51 Sionainn  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:38:49pm

re: #49 Kragar (Antichrist )

I would literally need to tase my wife and tie her into the car to get her in to doctor for anything at this point.

Yikes! That’s not good!

52 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:39:51pm

re: #51 Sionainn

Yikes! That’s not good!

You’re telling me.

53 The Mountain That Blogs  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:39:58pm

re: #30 Kragar (Antichrist )

Damn shame, too. Tennis players are very well represented on twitter, and Marino had one of the better accounts. A lot of it was people who lost money betting on her leaving disgusting comments. People suck.

54 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:40:10pm

Scuds are now landing on Aleppo.

55 Mich-again  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:42:43pm

Remember way back when the GOP was fighting passage of the ACA how they opposed the Government getting in the middle of any decisions regarding medical tests and treatment options? Seems like a long time ago.

56 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:42:54pm

re: #42 FemNaziBitch

One can’t compare it to violent rape, but it is a physical violation. It is a State Mandated Violation.

Unlike other medical vaginal ultrasounds that are necessary for health reasons, for the mother or the baby, (and are not mandated by the State) this is not. This is purely a Political Mandate.

Especially the idea of having one after an abortion. It would be like trying to prove a negative using that to show an abortion was complete. The way mentioned above (blood test for hormones) or the way I’ve heard that was the standard (lab exam of the stuff removed) would be a much more effective means.

Just makes it obvious what these evil fucks are up to.

57 Sionainn  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:43:56pm

re: #55 Mich-again

Remember way back when the GOP was fighting passage of the ACA how they opposed the Government getting in the middle of any decisions regarding medical tests and treatment options? Seems like a long time ago.

They didn’t think that doctors should discuss ahead of time, while patients were of sound mind and body, what they would choose to have for end of life care.

58 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:44:28pm

A few years back, a doctor had my wife get a whole series of tests she hated for something that turned out to be nothing. A few months later when she tried to see about birth control, it took 3 months, 5 office visits at $20 a pop and she was still getting stonewalled. She hates all doctors now and I can’t convince her otherwise.

59 Mich-again  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:44:56pm

re: #57 Sionainn

They didn’t think that doctors should discuss ahead of time, while patients were of sound mind and body, what they would choose to have for end of life care.

DEATH PANELS!! ELEVENTY!

60 klys  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:45:45pm

re: #58 Kragar (Antichrist )

A few years back, a doctor had my wife get a whole series of tests she hated for something that turned out to be nothing. A few months later when she tried to see about birth control, it took 3 months, 5 office visits at $20 a pop and she was still getting stonewalled. She hates all doctors now and I can’t convince her otherwise.

If that were my experience, I would probably hate them all too.

After defense I need to see about switching my primary care doctor because I didn’t like my new one (have had one visit) and have since avoided going to the doctor. My husband finally (rightly) called me out on this.

61 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:45:57pm

re: #54 ProBosniaLiberal

Scuds are now landing on Aleppo.

This also has potential to cause big problems
FSA and Hezbollah inch toward war, Lebanon in the crossfires again

Recent clashes between members of the Free Syrian Army (FSA) and Hezbollah militias across the Syrian-Lebanese border have raised the specter of a regional spell over of the Syrian war, with Lebanon once again being caught in the crossfire.

The threat of war was raised Wednesday by FSA Chief of Staff Brigadier General Salim Idriss. In an interview with Al Arabiya Idriss gave Hezbollah 48 hours to cease its military operations in Syria or face attacks on its installations inside Lebanon.

62 Decatur Deb  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:46:37pm

re: #43 OtterQueen

No, it wasn’t mandated by law, I understand the difference here. And, yes it’s good to get regular pelvic exams, but even the AMA says they’re unnecessary for getting birth control pills.

Speaking strictly from my superior male experience, I suspect it’s coming from the doc’s legal/malpractice insurance side.

63 OtterQueen  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:46:50pm

re: #34 FemNaziBitch

Hey, we are going to have such a good time! Just every about everyone we like is going to be there, including their dogs!

I hear they have oreos too!

Stolen oreos? Those are the best!

64 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:46:53pm

Scott Lively Finds More ‘Proof’ That Obama is Gay, Having an Affair with Reggie Love

Pastor Scott Lively of Defend the Family, who is best known for his anti-gay activism in Uganda, is once again pushing the claim that President Obama is secretly gay. Like fellow conservative activists Jerome Corsi and Vic Eliason, Lively believes that President Obama is covering up his gay past. Today, he finds new “proof” in a Weekly Standard article which notes that Obama went on a weekend trip with his aide Reggie Love over the weekend…without the First Lady.

65 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:47:22pm

re: #58 Kragar (Antichrist )

A few years back, a doctor had my wife get a whole series of tests she hated for something that turned out to be nothing. A few months later when she tried to see about birth control, it took 3 months, 5 office visits at $20 a pop and she was still getting stonewalled. She hates all doctors now and I can’t convince her otherwise.

Like I said above, it’s hard to argue with experience. But there are good doctors out there. Finding one by trial and error is a bit much to ask.

66 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:47:31pm

re: #49 Kragar (Antichrist )

I would literally need to tase my wife and tie her into the car to get her in to the doctor for anything at this point.

I am about at that point as well.

the lecture one has to hear before getting an mamogram is beyond reason, IMHO. I actually got in a fight with the RN last time. I told her I had a limited amount of time and as my mother had bi-lateral breast cancer I kept up on it myself. I’m not 21 anymore.

67 OtterQueen  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:48:04pm

re: #46 Sionainn

I only had the exams/Pap smears once a year and I’m sure glad I did because I wouldn’t have found out I had a problem until it was too late.

So I should put up with an exam I don’t want, may not be able to afford, and isn’t medically indicated because it’s for my own good?

68 Decatur Deb  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:50:33pm

re: #64 Kragar (Antichrist )

Scott Lively Finds More ‘Proof’ That Obama is Gay, Having an Affair with Reggie Love

Would someone please convince these dolts that IT DOESN’T MATTER. If the Prez turns out to have a predilection for underage goats, it doesn’t matter. He has won the last election he will ever run, barring Sidwell Friends PTA.

69 stabby  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:50:36pm

re: #67 OtterQueen

So I should put up with an exam I don’t want, may not be able to afford, and isn’t medically indicated because it’s for my own good?

Yes, because if it shames or depresses you so much that you don’t get the abortion then God won’t torture you in hell for eternity for baby murder
///

70 stabby  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:52:12pm

They’re just trying save you from God the infinitely sadistic torturer.

You should be grateful!

71 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:52:51pm

re: #69 stabby

Yes, because if it shames or depresses you so much that you don’t get the abortion then God won’t torture you in hell for eternity for baby murder
///

they aren’t concerned for your soul, it’s theirs, that they didn’t force you to be a good girl!

Because we are judged by how co-dependent we are.

72 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:53:43pm

re: #70 stabby

They’re just trying save you from God the infinitely sadistic torturer.

You should be grateful!

I’m good already. I figured out the riddle of steel a long time ago. They can fuck right off.

73 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:54:03pm

Actually, I find the OB/GYN’s in more affluent areas are the worst. They want to provide “the best” care.

Others are just glad women come in for an exam at all.

74 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:54:24pm

re: #63 OtterQueen

Stolen oreos? Those are the best!

I don’t think the police report mentions felony theft but if those are the charges she would have had to steal over $1,000 worth of merchandise. The police report does mention multiple incidents over the course of 7 months.

75 Lidane  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:55:04pm

re: #58 Kragar (Antichrist )

A few years back, a doctor had my wife get a whole series of tests she hated for something that turned out to be nothing. A few months later when she tried to see about birth control, it took 3 months, 5 office visits at $20 a pop and she was still getting stonewalled. She hates all doctors now and I can’t convince her otherwise.

And I thought my former endocrinologist was test happy.

Because my student health insurance in grad school was catastrophic coverage only, I didn’t get co-pays for medicines or doctor visits. Every time I would walk through her door, it would cost me around $300 — $100 for the visit and another $200 for the blood tests and other lab work she would order every damn time. And she demanded that I see her every three months like clockwork. PLUS there were the monthly medications I was on, which was another expense.

When my student loans dried up, so did the money that I had to spend on doctor visits. I stopped going to see her. There weren’t any other options for me at the time. Now I can go get medical care again, so it’s a bit better.

76 stabby  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:55:16pm

re: #71 FemNaziBitch

I can see that, but I think “co-dependent” isn’t the word you’re looking for.

Whatever the wingnut, positive connotation word for “totalitarian”, “oppressive”, “cruel” would be right.

Righteous maybe?

77 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:55:21pm

re: #74 Killgore Trout

I don’t think the police report mentions felony theft but if those are the charges she would have had to steal over $1,000 worth of merchandise. The police report does mention multiple incidents over the course of 7 months.

Still is it worth it for them to pursue the case economically instead of just firing her?

78 klys  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:55:25pm

re: #67 OtterQueen

So I should put up with an exam I don’t want, may not be able to afford, and isn’t medically indicated because it’s for my own good?

I would say, rather, that the Pap smear is still highly recommended for women (once every 3 years if your previous ones have been normal), it just isn’t medically required for BC and shouldn’t be treated as such.

79 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:56:25pm

WTF I mean WTFF. Wingnuts are totally OK with ultrasound rape but they think every woman should carry an AR-15 to blow away some random guy they think might try to rape them (especially if the lady is Scarlett O’Hara and the alleged would-be rapist is some emancipated cotton picker who looks at her for a fraction of a second too long).

80 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:56:43pm

re: #76 stabby

I can see that, but I think “co-dependent” isn’t the word you’re looking for.

Whatever the wingnut, positive connotation word for “totalitarian”, “oppressive”, “cruel” would be right.

Righteous maybe?

Actually, co-dependents fall under the martyr category in many, many cases. They don’t see it as totalitarian, it’s all done out of Love and Concern. And, they will make sure you follow the rules if it kills them.

81 Decatur Deb  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:57:50pm

re: #75 Lidane

And I thought my former endocrinologist was test happy.

Because my student health insurance in grad school was catastrophic coverage only, I didn’t get co-pays for medicines or doctor visits. Every time I would walk through her door, it would cost me around $300 — $100 for the visit and another $200 for the blood tests and other lab work she would order every damn time. And she demanded that I see her every three months like clockwork. PLUS there were the monthly medications I was on, which was another expense.

When my student loans dried up, so did the money that I had to spend on doctor visits. I stopped going to see her. There weren’t any other options for me at the time. Now I can go get medical care again, so it’s a bit better.

Socialized Medicine Poster Child.

82 engineer cat  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:58:34pm

re: #63 OtterQueen

Stolen oreos? Those are the best!

Walmart is moving forward with felony charges against an employee of an Indiana store who admitted to eating “multiple” Oreo cookies because she said that she couldn’t afford to pay for them with her salary

frank capra or preston sturges coulda made a whole movie based on how fucked up that is

83 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:58:49pm

God, protect me from people working in your name.

84 stabby  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:59:03pm

I’m happy. The chinese company I ordered my fancy, big, android tablet with a keyboard from has been resisting letting me send it back for a month. After all the foot dragging, I don’t trust them to send a new one anyway.

So I figured out how to open it up myself and reseat the connectors to the display. Now the display stopped flickering and having bad pixels!

I think the keyboard is ok, it’s just charge light that’s flaky and rarely comes on. The battery is only about 2/3 as good as it should be, but maybe I’ll just live with that.

85 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:59:21pm

re: #78 klys

I would say, rather, that the Pap smear is still highly recommended for women (once every 3 years if your previous ones have been normal), it just isn’t medically required for BC and shouldn’t be treated as such.

I agree. Cervical Cancer and Breast Cancer run in the family, both mom and I have had issues. I’m not sure all the extra bru-haha and tests that some doctors try to encourage are necessary.

“Oh, I think I feel something on your left ovary, you should have an ultrasound … ” Instead of, “I’d like to do another pelvic in 3 months.”

86 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 3:00:00pm

re: #77 FemNaziBitch

Still is it worth it for them to pursue the case economically instead of just firing her?

I don’t know. Employee theft can really add up for a large company like that. Employers do take that kind of thing seriously. This probably isn’t just about a couple of oreos.

87 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 3:00:25pm

re: #61 Killgore Trout

I put this up to remind everyone of what this “tolerant (according to one poster)” regime does to its own people.

Aleppo is also not far from the Turkish border. If one missile goes offtrack, we suddenly have a problem. Turkey could justifiably declare Article 5.

88 Decatur Deb  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 3:00:55pm

Went today and bothered my doc for a half-hour’s worth of billing. It was nothing except ‘due diligence’ on my part. Millions of Americans can’t do that, so they don’t get the early intervention and peace of mind. That’s bullshit.

89 stabby  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 3:01:00pm

re: #80 FemNaziBitch

THEY’RE martyrs for trying to get brownie points with God for being cruel to YOU and trying to fuck up YOUR life?

I don’t understand that.

They feel all victimized because some of their victims don’t like them?

90 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 3:01:24pm

re: #86 Killgore Trout

Perhaps if they paid them more than poverty wages….

91 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 3:01:36pm

re: #89 stabby

THEY’RE martyrs for trying to get brownie points with God for being cruel to YOU and trying to fuck up YOUR life?

I don’t understand that.

They feel all victimized because some of their victims don’t like them?

Yes, exactly. It’s a very twisted way of thinking and very, very common.

92 stabby  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 3:02:41pm

re: #91 FemNaziBitch

Arrrrrgggggghhhhhh!

93 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 3:02:49pm

THe vet is getting just as bad.

I took the cat in for an ear infection (his first) and they wanted to start food allergy diet and testing.

I asked if we could just treat the ear infection and wait to see if he get’s another one —thus giving an indication of possible allergy.

94 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 3:03:00pm

re: #92 stabby

Arrrrrgggggghhhhhh!

Welcome to my world.

95 b_sharp  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 3:03:27pm

Should these politicians be supplied with prostate self-exam kits and be required to take the test twice each time they jerk-off or have sex?

Sorry, what am I thinking, there’s no room there with their heads up their collective ass.

96 stabby  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 3:05:05pm

Lunch time, bye for now

97 engineer cat  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 3:09:33pm

re: #86 Killgore Trout

I don’t know. Employee theft can really add up for a large company like that. Employers do take that kind of thing seriously. This probably isn’t just about a couple of oreos.

if walmart had decided instead to award her a free box of oreos every day for the next year, it would literally cost no more than lunch at the yacht club for the walmart family - that is, a couple hundred bucks

walmart ain’t gonna belly up and die because of rampant oreo munching

98 stabby  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 3:10:46pm

re: #91 FemNaziBitch

That’s an interesting insight

So people whose religious beliefs have them do cruel or evil things:
1) feel some discomfort in that role
2) feel some discomfort for being hated for being evil
3) can’t blame their religion or themselves, if they were capable of that level of independence they wouldn’t be cruel fanatics.
4) so they blame their victims
5) in any case they feel like victims themselves, not of their beliefs, not of (what they believe to be) God’s commands, but of people who judge them for doing objectively evil things.

It’s funny. I don’t think religious terrorists feel the same way. They’re higher on their belief in their specialness, their own holiness. And they don’t think of their victims as human at all, so they don’t feel victimized by their victims’ opinions…

But I wonder if there might be some cases of overlap.

99 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 3:13:14pm

re: #97 engineer cat

if walmart had decided instead to award her a free box of oreos every day for the next year, it would literally cost no more than lunch at the yacht club for the walmart family - that is, a couple hundred bucks

walmart ain’t gonna belly up and die because of rampant oreo munching

No but the felony charges indicate that she stole over a $1,000 in a 7 month period. Go ahead and steal $1,000 from your employer and see how it goes. Stealing is illegal.

100 subterraneanhomesickalien  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 3:15:11pm

re: #41 Vicious Babushka

I say the only sensible and direct approach for a female to defend herself is to actually carry an AR-15 within her vagina. Free’s up the hands and removes the sexual offenders malicious organ at the same time. Given that some sort of radio controlled firing device could be rigged to something like a ring or bracelet.

After all why would god make the hole in the first place if he didn’t intend it for use as a convenient storage facility?///

101 EPR-radar  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 3:18:41pm

re: #95 b_sharp

Should these politicians be supplied with prostate self-exam kits and be required to take the test twice each time they jerk-off or have sex?

Sorry, what am I thinking, there’s no room there with their heads up their collective ass.

No problem. The catheter option is still available.

102 EPR-radar  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 3:19:46pm

re: #100 subterraneanhomesickalien

I say the only sensible and direct approach for a female to defend herself is to actually carry an AR-15 within her vagina. Free’s up the hands and removes the sexual offenders malicious organ at the same time. Given that some sort of radio controlled firing device could be rigged to something like a ring or bracelet.

After all why would god make the hole in the first place if he didn’t intend it for use as a convenient storage facility?///

The gun nut version of vagina dentata. I like it.

103 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 3:24:21pm

re: #98 stabby

That’s an interesting insight

So people whose religious beliefs have them do cruel or evil things:
1) feel some discomfort in that role
2) feel some discomfort for being hated for being evil
3) can’t blame their religion or themselves, if they were capable of that level of independence they wouldn’t be cruel fanatics.
4) so they blame their victims
5) in any case they feel like victims themselves, not of their beliefs, not of (what they believe to be) God’s commands, but of people who judge them for doing objectively evil things.

It’s funny. I don’t think religious terrorists feel the same way. They’re higher on their belief in their specialness, their own holiness. And they don’t think of their victims as human at all, so they don’t feel victimized by their victims’ opinions…

But I wonder if there might be some cases of overlap.

I think it’s in the same spectrum. The idea that “We are thy brothers keeper” and will be judged as such. It leads to the idea that killing Dr. Tiller is required by G-d.

Or abusing children is sparing the rod.

Or even the simple constant nagging that accompanies the oft cited “shrew”. or The mother who has given everything for her children and they never do a thing for her or call her when they move out.

In men, I think it is seen as “fatherly responsibility”. It is my job to keep my girl a virgin until she is married so I will make sure she never goes on a date or is alone with a boy and will constantly check on her email and etc …

104 engineer cat  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 3:24:39pm

re: #99 Killgore Trout

No but the felony charges indicate that she stole over a $1,000 in a 7 month period. Go ahead and steal $1,000 from your employer and see how it goes. Stealing is illegal.

=> $142.00/m

Wal-Mart Stores Inc., Consolidated Income Statement

they are just cheap fucking bastards

105 EPR-radar  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 3:27:04pm

re: #104 engineer cat

=> $142.00/m

Wal-Mart Stores Inc., Consolidated Income Statement

they are just cheap fucking bastards

Both are true. Walmart is a bunch of cheap bastards.

Stealing from them is still wrong.

The solution to lawlessness at the top of society is not to embrace lawlessness everywhere, it is to enforce the laws against those at the top (e.g., thieving bankers).

106 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 3:36:07pm

War on Yoga is going strong!

107 engineer cat  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 3:45:34pm

re: #105 EPR-radar

Both are true. Walmart is a bunch of cheap bastards.

Stealing from them is still wrong.

The solution to lawlessness at the top of society is not to embrace lawlessness everywhere, it is to enforce the laws against those at the top (e.g., thieving bankers).

my preferred method would be shaming the soulless bastards into paying their employees a living wage

they are the richest family in the world. if they don’t realize that a 10% across the board wage increase for all of their workers is good for them, then they don’t understand capitalism and their ignorance will come back to bite them in the ass when they least expect it

108 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 4:08:34pm

re: #106 FemNaziBitch

War on Yoga is going strong!

You never know what might set people off around here.

109 Decatur Deb  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 4:24:11pm

re: #106 FemNaziBitch

War on Yoga is going strong!

Never liked that flop-eared little twerp’s reverse grammar.

110 Shvaughn  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 5:14:40pm

re: #99 Killgore Trout

No but the felony charges indicate that she stole over a $1,000 in a 7 month period. Go ahead and steal $1,000 from your employer and see how it goes. Stealing is illegal.

Did this lady go to OWS protests or something?


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