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1 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 5:02:30pm

I suck at math.

Scary, tho, when I meet people who are worse than me. Which, sadly is often.

Like customers who can’t figure out the price when something is marked 20% off. Even I can do that.

2 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 5:11:23pm

I want a Hobbit Coat!

3 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 5:20:20pm

Considering that Mr. Zagorski is a deranged lunatic, what he considers “common-sense-filled” is actually a rage-fueled fantasy of mass murder.

4 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 5:28:24pm

Ray Charles, Jerry Lee, Fats Domino, Bo Diddley, B B King, Little Richard on stage in Italy.

5 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 5:30:06pm

re: #3 Vicious Babushka

Considering that Mr. Zagorski is a deranged lunatic, what he considers “common-sense-filled” is actually a rage-fueled fantasy of mass murder.

Well, I’d love to have that guy as a neighbor.
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6 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 5:32:26pm

re: #4 Decatur Deb

Ray Charles, Jerry Lee, Fats Domino, Bo Diddley, B B King, Little Richard on stage in Italy.

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It’s Fats Domino’s birthday today.

7 Gus  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 5:35:38pm

Oh dear. Just saw a trailer for Argo. Ridiculous.

8 bratwurst  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 5:36:10pm

Really good news: I am flying to visit my former home region of Germany tomorrow, plus a couple of side trips over the next two weeks.

Less good news: It has been snowing for about 8 hours straight here in Chicago and more forecast into tomorrow…and I have a connection to make in Atlanta. I am mentally preparing myself for long long day tomorrow, maybe I will be pleasantly surprised.

9 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 5:42:34pm

Matt Barber: Repeal of DOMA means Obama wants to criminalize Christianity

Matt Barber, vice president of Liberty Counsel Action, believes the Obama administration’s action is wrong on two counts.

“Not only did the president abdicate his duty to defend a law that was passed with overwhelming bipartisan support, this president has taken it a step further and he is now engaging in radical homosexual activism,” states the Christian attorney.

Barber contends that Obama has become emboldened after being re-elected and “the mask is off.” And he predicts if DOMA is repealed, the floodgates will be opened against Christianity.

“If people are given special, suspect minority status based on aberrant sexual feelings and behaviors, then the Christian view that says homosexual behavior is both self-destructive and immoral … essentially becomes criminalized,” he warns.

10 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 5:43:48pm

re: #1 FemNaziBitch

I suck at math.

Scary, tho, when I meet people who are worse than me. Which, sadly is often.

Like customers who can’t figure out the price when something is marked 20% off. Even I can do that.

I’ve had headaches before trying to explain to customers why 35% off PLUS another 25% off is NOT the same as 60% off.

11 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 5:43:50pm

re: #8 bratwurst

Really good news: I am flying to visit my former home region of Germany tomorrow, plus a couple of side trips over the next two weeks.

Less good news: It has been snowing for about 8 hours straight here in Chicago and more forecast into tomorrow…and I have a connection to make in Atlanta. I am mentally preparing myself for long long day tomorrow, maybe I will be pleasantly surprised.

Auf Wiedersehen, Bon Voyage, and Buena Suerte!

12 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 5:44:56pm

Bachmann: “I didn’t get anything wrong”

Tea Party Rep. Michele Bachmann has been laying low since last November’s election when she came dangerously close to losing her House seat, possibly in preparation for a bid against Minnesota Sen. Al Franken in 2014.

But Bachmann, being Bachmann, couldn’t stay quiet forever — or even very long. And yesterday, she participated in a “newsmaker interview” at Patrick Henry College, a conservative evangelical school in Virginia (the man who introduced her said he wished the Tea Party movement had been “a little more conservative”). She addressed everything from her favorite contemporary singer (Beyoncé) to gay marriage (bad) to her mistakes (none).

13 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 5:45:31pm

re: #9 Kragar (Antichrist )

Matt Barber: Repeal of DOMA means Obama wants to criminalize Christianity

Oy.

I said it the other day but it bears repeating: Why do American Christians seem be the only group of people in the world who apparently enjoy being persecuted?

They just want so badly for this “war on Christianity” to be real.

14 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 5:46:04pm

re: #1 FemNaziBitch

I suck at math.

Scary, tho, when I meet people who are worse than me. Which, sadly is often.

Like customers who can’t figure out the price when something is marked 20% off. Even I can do that.

Fold it into five then cut out the middle fifth.

15 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 5:48:09pm

re: #14 b_sharp

Fold it into five then cut out the middle fifth.

then drink the fifth

16 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 5:49:04pm

re: #13 Eclectic Cyborg

Oy.

I said it the other day but it bears repeating: Why do American Christians seem be the only group of people in the world who apparently enjoy being persecuted?

They just want so badly for this “war on Christianity” to be real.

“Sorry, I can’t hear your whining. Maybe if you climb down from that cross you’ve nailed yourself to?”

17 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 5:50:47pm

re: #10 Eclectic Cyborg

I’ve had headaches before trying to explain to customers why 35% off PLUS another 25% off is NOT the same as 60% off.

I worked retail for 10 years. That was one of my pet peeves.

18 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 5:50:56pm

“Beboppers flat their fifths - we drink ours”

Eddie Condon

19 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 5:51:13pm

Barton Admits Getting Gun-Toting Students Story from Louis L’Amour, but it’s OK Because L’Amour Said it Really Happened

So, David Barton, in an article on his WallBuilders website, has finally responded to the question of where he got the story he told on Glenn Beck’s web-based TV show about a classroom full of gun-toting elementary school students saving their teacher from a gunman in the 1850s. As suspected, the story did come from Louis L’Amour’s novel Bendigo Shafter. But Barton, who incessantly claims to use only primary sources, and constantly accuses anyone who criticizes him of not using primary sources (even when they do), defends his use of the story because L’Amour, in a recorded introduction to the audio version of one of his other stories, said it really happened:

20 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 5:51:51pm

re: #16 Kragar (Antichrist )

“Sorry, I can’t hear your whining. Maybe if you climb down from your cross you’ve nailed yourself to?”

The problem is what these people consider to be “persecuted” is nowhere close to what persecution was in Biblical times.

Once we start crucifying Christians upside down, burning them alive, beating them to a bloody pulp in a jail cell or boiling them in a vat of oil then maybe we can start using the word “persecution”.

21 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 5:52:25pm

strike that - i wuz rong

22 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 5:54:02pm

re: #20 Eclectic Cyborg

The problem is what these people consider to be “persecuted” is nowhere close to what persecution was in Biblical times.

Once we start crucifying Christians upside down, burning them alive, beating them to a bloody pulp in a jail cell or boiling them in a vat of oil then maybe we can start using the word “persecution”.

Modern Evangelicals would have been killed for heresy by earlier versions of their Church.

23 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 5:54:30pm

re: #16 Kragar (Antichrist )

“Sorry, I can’t hear your whining. Maybe if you climb down from that cross you’ve nailed yourself to?”

To borrow a line from Christopher Titus:

“Why don’t you climb down off the cross, take the wood to build a bridge, and get over it!”

24 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 5:55:04pm

re: #13 Eclectic Cyborg

Oy.

I said it the other day but it bears repeating: Why do American Christians seem be the only group of people in the world who apparently enjoy being persecuted?

They just want so badly for this “war on Christianity” to be real.

It isn’t the persecution they enjoy, it’s the privileged position their religion has held for centuries that they enjoy and do not want to lose. Being persecuted - martyrdom - in that cause is considered noble so they revel in it.

25 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 5:55:58pm

DERP. FAIL. Because this has WORKED SO WELL for the past 30 years.

26 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 6:05:59pm

re: #25 Vicious Babushka

DERP. FAIL. Because this has WORKED SO WELL for the past 30 years.

How many years of record profits do they have to post before the hiring spree begins? Or are we just supposed to assume that a tepid recovery is the new norm?

27 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 6:07:12pm

re: #9 Kragar (Antichrist )

Matt Barber: Repeal of DOMA means Obama wants to criminalize Christianity

No, Mr. Barber, you cannot be convicted of the crime of being Christian. You cannot be convicted if you /think/ other people’s behavior is self-destructive and immoral. The criminal part comes in if you do more than think ill of others.

The first amendment basically says that you cannot force me to worship your god. You cannot have a law which is based solely on your religious beliefs, you cannot deny rights based on your religious beliefs. If you insist on acting or denying in accordance with your beliefs, your action or refusal to act may indeed be a crime.

When people murdered black men for dating white women (and raped and/or beat the crap out of the women in many cases), they comtted crimes despite thinking they were acting to suppress immoral and self-destructive behavior. When people were arrested for throwing fire-bombs into women’s health clinics the arrests were for the assaults and property damage, not for thinking abortion supporters were Satan’s own.

It’s really pretty simple, Mr. Barber. There shall be no law favoring any particular religion. Let what is god’s remain god’s, and render what is caesar’s to caesar. If you can’t tell the difference, perhaps it isn’t god you’re hearing.

28 Jimmah  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 6:18:17pm
29 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 6:20:37pm

re: #26 Targetpractice

How many years of record profits do they have to post before the hiring spree begins? Or are we just supposed to assume that a tepid recovery is the new norm?

I think the new norm is shorting work hours so that nobody gets health care or pensions. As many folks as possible are going to be “part time” all the time.

Funny. The stuff we’re seeing in the US I read about this a dozen years ago in a class on Japanese business practices. Dorine Kondo was the author of the monograph, which was all about how Japanese female workers were discriminated against in ways that kept them form entering management or making enough money to cross fully into entrepreneurial small business.

30 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 6:21:25pm

re: #27 kirkspencer

The religious right spokesholes are relentlessly pushing this reverse victimhood BS. It’s a real dive to the bottom - they know this stuff plays well with the lowest common denominator of their base.

More and more people are getting wise to them. But we’ve only seen the beginning of the religious right pushback against gay rights. I predict massive freakouts.

31 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 6:24:20pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

The religious right spokesholes are relentlessly pushing this reverse victimhood BS. It’s a real dive to the bottom - they know this stuff plays well with the lowest common denominator of their base.

Built into the Persecution Fantasy is the Eventual Retaliation Fantasy.

32 Jimmah  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 6:25:38pm

re: #8 bratwurst

Really good news: I am flying to visit my former home region of Germany tomorrow, plus a couple of side trips over the next two weeks.

Less good news: It has been snowing for about 8 hours straight here in Chicago and more forecast into tomorrow…and I have a connection to make in Atlanta. I am mentally preparing myself for long long day tomorrow, maybe I will be pleasantly surprised.

Hope it goes smoothly, bud. Have a good one :)

33 Jimmah  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 6:31:10pm

re: #12 Kragar (Antichrist )

the man who introduced her said he wished the Tea Party movement had been “a little more conservative”

The mind boggles as to what that could possibly mean - advocating the reintroduction of slavery, perhaps?

34 dragonath  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 6:31:51pm

Music for the Papal Conclave:

35 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 6:33:02pm

re: #33 Jimmah The Unacceptable

The mind boggles as to what that could possibly mean - advocating the reintroduction of slavery, perhaps?

More Jesus, less Enlightenment.

36 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 6:33:24pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

Let ‘em cry a river.

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37 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 6:39:59pm

re: #34 dragonath

Music for the Papal Conclave:

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I thought it might be Tubular Bells… ;)

38 Jimmah  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 6:40:23pm

re: #36 Political Atheist

Let ‘em cry a river.

Image: images.jpg

William Hague, current (Tory) British Foreign Secretary:

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39 Mentis Fugit  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 6:43:35pm

re: #16 Kragar (Antichrist )

“Sorry, I can’t hear your whining. Maybe if you climb down from that cross you’ve nailed yourself to?”

There’s no way you can hammer in the last nail.

40 Mentis Fugit  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 6:50:45pm

re: #29 The Ghost of a Flea

I think the new norm is shorting work hours so that nobody gets health care or pensions. As many folks as possible are going to be “part time” all the time.

Funny. The stuff we’re seeing in the US I read about this a dozen years ago in a class on Japanese business practices. Dorine Kondo was the author of the monograph, which was all about how Japanese female workers were discriminated against in ways that kept them form entering management or making enough money to cross fully into entrepreneurial small business.

While in ‘Murka, employers are much more committed to equal opportunity, and are screwing the men just as hard as the women. That’s progress for ya.

41 Jimmah  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 6:51:16pm

Popular UK scientist and broadcaster Brian Cox completely loses his mind in new series “The Wonders of Life”:

42 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 6:54:20pm

CBS 2 national news just misled all it’s viewers. In a segment about stand your ground they cite GZ as asserting SYG. Ummm, his attorneys have explicitly pointed out SYG does not apply. This based on the inability of a person trapped on their back (allegedly) to escape.

The media just can not be bothered to keep up apparently.

43 Jimmah  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 6:55:17pm

re: #35 Kragar (Antichrist )

More Jesus, less Enlightenment.

More Calvin, less Hume.

44 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 6:55:44pm

re: #28 Jimmah The Unacceptable

After Thursday, the Pope’s “fisherman’s ring” will also be destroyed.

Not if a certain ex-hobbit has his way…

Found this report interesting:

Of all the rumors floating around about just why Pope Benedict XVI is hanging up his camauro, one has taken on a life of its own. According to several well-placed vaticanisti—or Vatican experts—in Rome, Benedict is resigning after being handed a secret red-covered dossier that included details about a network of gay priests who work inside the Vatican, but who play in secular Rome. The priests, it seems, are allegedly being blackmailed by a network of male prostitutes who worked at a sauna in Rome’s Quarto Miglio district, a health spa in the city center, and a private residence once entrusted to a prominent archbishop. The evidence reportedly includes compromising photos and videos of the prelates—sometimes caught on film in drag, and, in some cases, caught “in the act.”

Revelations about the alleged network are the basis of a 300-page report supposedly delivered to Benedict on December 17 by Cardinals Julian Herranz, Joseph Tomko, and Salvatore De Giorgi. According to the press reports, it was on that day that Benedict XVI decided once and for all to retire, after toying with the idea for months. He reportedly closed the dossier and locked it away in the pontifical apartment safe to be handed to his successor to deal with. According to reports originally printed by La Repubblica newspaper and the newsweekly Panorama (and followed up across the gamut of the Italian media), the crimes the cardinals uncovered involved breaking the commandments “Thou shalt not steal” and “Thou shalt not commit adultery,” the latter of which has been used in Vatican-speak to also refer to homosexual relations instead of the traditional reference to infidelity.

The trio of cardinals who authored the report, known in the Italian press as the “007 Priests,” were commissioned by Benedict to dig into the Vatileaks scandal that rocked the Holy See last fall when the pope’s butler, Paolo Gabriele, was convicted of stealing secret papal documents and leaking them to the press. The sleuthing cardinals ran a parallel investigation to the Vatican tribunal’s criminal case against the butler, but theirs was far more covert and focused not on the mechanics of the leaks, but on who within the Roman Curia might be the brains behind them. And, according to the leaked reports, what the “007 Priests” found went far beyond the pope’s private desk. “What’s coming out is very detailed X-ray of the Roman Curia that does not spare even the closest collaborators of the Pope,” wrote respected Vatican expert Ignazio Ingrao in Panorama. “The Pope was no stranger to the intrigues, but he probably did not know that under his pontificate there was such a complex network and such intricate chains of personal interests and unmentionable relationships.”

I can totally see him reading the report, putting it down and saying “Okay, that’s the last straw. Seacrest out!”

45 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 6:56:37pm
46 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:01:07pm

re: #43 Jimmah The Unacceptable

More Calvin, less Hume.

I prefer to be Humerous.

47 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:02:36pm

Hold on to your hats, this could be a bumpy ride

U.S. moves toward providing direct aid to Syrian rebels

The Obama administration is moving toward a major policy shift on Syria that could provide rebels there with equipment such as body armor and armored vehicles, and possibly military training, and could send humanitarian assistance directly to Syria’s opposition political coalition, according to U.S. and European officials.

The administration has not provided direct aid to the military or political side of the opposition throughout the two-year-old conflict, and U.S. officials remain opposed to providing weapons to the rebels.

48 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:03:09pm

re: #42 Political Atheist

The media just can not be bothered to keep up apparently.

Why should they start now?
/

49 Gus  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:06:53pm

Progress Kentucky issues apology to Elaine Chao
February 26, 2013

Progress Kentucky is dedicated to ensuring the people of KY have the kind of representation in the US Senate they deserve. In an effort to educate KY voters as to the varied interests of Sen. McConnell we provided information about connections between the senator and business and government interests in China. This information included an inappropriate comment on the ethnicity of the former Secretary of Labor, Elaine Chao, the senator’s wife.

We apologize to the secretary for that unnecessary comment and have deleted the tweets in question. In addition, we have put a review process in place to ensure tweets and other social media communications from Progress KY are reviewed and approved prior to posting.

Senator McConnell’s record deserves a thorough and legitimate airing. We believe that after fair examination of it Kentuckians will agree that Senator McConnell has been wrong over and over on the issues that matter. We will continue to inform Kentucky voters the important issues at stake in this election.

50 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:07:36pm

Apparently the latest freakout over the sequester is ICE declaring that, due to Homeland Security budget cuts, they’ll be releasing non-felon illegals from incarceration and into monitoring programs that cost less.

51 AlexRogan  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:11:04pm

re: #50 Targetpractice

Apparently the latest freakout over the sequester is ICE declaring that, due to Homeland Security budget cuts, they’ll be releasing non-felon illegals from incarceration and into monitoring programs that cost less.

SCARY BROWN PEOPLE!!!11ty

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52 dragonath  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:11:31pm

re: #50 Targetpractice

I’m pretty sure the unwritten assumption is that we could afford it if we didn’t fund abortions at Planned Parenthood.

53 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:12:15pm

re: #49 Gus

Didn’t they fight it at first, though, and even deny that it was racist?

54 Jimmah  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:13:01pm

re: #44 goddamnedfrank

Found this report interesting:

I can totally see him reading the report, putting it down and saying “Okay, that’s the last straw. Seacrest out!”

That seems to be the gist of a couple of reports I’ve seen too. Hard to imagine there are many who want to succeed him right now.

55 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:13:02pm

re: #52 dragonath

I’m pretty sure the unwritten assumption is that we could afford it if we didn’t fund abortions at Planned Parenthood.

As we saw with Jindal today, that’s the GOP’s newest argument: “The sequester won’t be that bad unless Obama makes it so!”

56 Jimmah  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:13:50pm

re: #46 b_sharp

I prefer to be Humerous.

A dangerous path my child ;-)

57 Stanley Sea  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:15:01pm

re: #50 Targetpractice

Apparently the latest freakout over the sequester is ICE declaring that, due to Homeland Security budget cuts, they’ll be releasing non-felon illegals from incarceration and into monitoring programs that cost less.

They are letting the illegal mom’s out! Shame America. /

58 Gus  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:15:21pm

re: #53 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Didn’t they fight it at first, though, and even deny that it was racist?

Yep. It’s kind of a weak apology in that they didn’t really acknowledge in depth the racist and/or xenophobic nature of the Tweet. Just saying “included an inappropriate comment on the ethnicity” instead. That so called “information” included linking to crackpot Rense. I don’t think they really get it. I’m a little confused about the whole China outsourcing thing being leveled on McConnell on many levels.

59 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:17:17pm

re: #58 Gus

Yep. It’s kind of a weak apology in that they didn’t really acknowledge in depth the racist and/or xenophobic nature of the Tweet. Just saying “included an inappropriate comment on the ethnicity” instead. That so called “information” included linking to crackpot Rense. I don’t think they really get it. I’m a little confused about the whole China outsourcing thing being leveled on McConnell on many levels.

Get back to me when Freep and Hot Air apologize to FLOTUS.

60 blueraven  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:17:40pm

re: #42 Political Atheist

CBS 2 national news just misled all it’s viewers. In a segment about stand your ground they cite GZ as asserting SYG. Ummm, his attorneys have explicitly pointed out SYG does not apply. This based on the inability of a person trapped on their back (allegedly) to escape.

The media just can not be bothered to keep up apparently.

SYG was the cited statute that the police chief used to let Zimmerman go on the night of the shooting. So there is that. Also, as I understand it, a defense hearing on SYG has not yet been decided.

61 dragonath  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:17:46pm

My job got outsourced to McConnell’s jowls

62 Gus  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:18:26pm

re: #59 Decatur Deb

Get back to me when Freep and Hot Air apologize to FLOTUS.

I care more about my own people than theirs. That’s not my job. I tried. Didn’t work. The right won’t do this. No. That’s not the point in this endeavor.

63 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:18:51pm

re: #60 blueraven

SYG was the cited statute that the police chief used to let Zimmerman go on the night of the shooting. So there is that. Also as I understand it, a defense hearing on SYG has not yet been decided.

AFAIK, an SYG hearing has been scheduled for April, with the formal trial (assuming it happens) scheduled for June.

64 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:19:13pm

re: #54 Jimmah The Unacceptable

That seems to be the gist of a couple of reports I’ve seen too. Hard to imagine there are many who want to succeed him right now.

According to St. Malachy’s prophesy the next Pope, Peter the Roman, is supposed to be the last anyway. Even though I don’t believe in prophesy, it’s probably safe to say that whoever succeeds Leggs Benedict is going to have a pretty rough go of it.

65 gwangung  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:21:47pm

re: #53 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Didn’t they fight it at first, though, and even deny that it was racist?

As a group, Asian Americans are one of the highest users of social media and the internet in America.

I suspect these folks found out this fact the hard way.

66 Jimmah  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:22:31pm

Here’s a quality e-bay listing: “Speakers”:

[Link: www.ebay.co.uk…]

Bedtime here

67 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:22:34pm

re: #58 Gus

Yeah. Not a sufficient apology for what happened. You’re right, they don’t get it.

68 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:23:43pm

re: #7 Gus

Oh dear. Just saw a trailer for Argo. Ridiculous.

The CIA’s ‘Argo’ plan was in many ways ridiculous, but it did do what it needed to do.

69 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:26:57pm

re: #68 Dark_Falcon

The CIA’s ‘Argo’ plan was in many ways ridiculous, but it did do what it needed to do.

Except it wasn’t the CIA’s plan, it was a Canadian plan that the CIA was a junior partner in.

70 Gus  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:27:41pm

re: #67 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Yeah. Not a sufficient apology for what happened. You’re right, they don’t get it.

Basically they said, “we said something bad about her ethnicity. My bad. From now on we’ll put controls in place to prevent things that we still think are true out into the public.”

71 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:30:39pm

re: #63 Targetpractice

AFAIK, an SYG hearing has been scheduled for April, with the formal trial (assuming it happens) scheduled for June.

Though the hearing is called a “Stand Your Ground Hearing”, that is because the SYG law provides for it. SYG still would not apply if Zimmerman’s claims are correct (Note: I am not saying that they are, I’m just explaining the situation). If Zimmerman was in fact pinned on the ground by Martin, then he would have the legal right to use force to stop Martin’s assault in any state in the Union. If escape from an assailant is impossible, then it is lawful to use deadly force to stop the assault.

72 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:30:46pm

re: #69 Targetpractice

Except it wasn’t the CIA’s plan, it was a Canadian plan that the CIA was a junior partner in.

Yeah, that has to irk the ‘nucks, having their caper hijacked by Afleck and virtually all credit given to the CIA.

73 dragonath  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:31:18pm

re: #69 Targetpractice

Except it wasn’t the CIA’s plan, it was a Canadian plan that the CIA was a junior partner in.

The King was involved

74 blueraven  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:31:24pm

re: #63 Targetpractice

AFAIK, an SYG hearing has been scheduled for April, with the formal trial (assuming it happens) scheduled for June.

Yes, just reading about that now. They are having a SYG hearing, but Zimmerman’s defense attorney is playing semantics.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com…]

If SYG doesnt apply, then they should skip the hearing and go straight to trial. So I guess CBS didn’t mislead viewers…it is the defense lawyer trying to confuse the issue.

75 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:31:30pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

Though the hearing is called a “Stand Your Ground Hearing”, that is because the SYG law provides for it. SYG still would not apply if Zimmerman’s claims are correct (Note: I am not saying that they are, I’m just explaining the situation). If Zimmerman was in fact pinned on the ground by Martin, then he would have the legal right to use force to stop Martin’s assault in any state in the Union. If escape from an assailant is impossible, then it is lawful to use deadly force to stop the assault.

Agreed, the SYG is more formality than defense strategy.

76 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:32:02pm

Is it possible to embed our own mp4 videos here, or do we have to upload to youtube first?

77 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:32:32pm

re: #72 goddamnedfrank

Yeah, that has to irk the ‘nucks, having their caper hijacked by Afleck and virtually all credit given to the CIA.

It pisses the shit out of us!!

78 Gus  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:32:45pm

re: #72 goddamnedfrank

Yeah, that has to irk the ‘nucks, having their caper hijacked by Afleck and virtually all credit given to the CIA.

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79 Gus  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:33:47pm

Canadian Caper

The “Canadian Caper” was the popular name given to the joint covert rescue by the Canadian government and the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) of six American diplomats who had evaded capture during the seizure of the United States embassy in Tehran, Iran, and taking of embassy personnel as hostages by Islamist students and militants on November 4, 1979…

It wasn’t Operation Argo. It was operation Canadian Caper. More Hollywood BS.

80 dragonath  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:33:48pm

Hey Dark, what do you think of Kirk voting against Hagel?

81 Gus  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:34:43pm

OK, a joint operation.

82 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:34:48pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

Though the hearing is called a “Stand Your Ground Hearing”, that is because the SYG law provides for it. SYG still would not apply if Zimmerman’s claims are correct (Note: I am not saying that they are, I’m just explaining the situation). If Zimmerman was in fact pinned on the ground by Martin, then he would have the legal right to use force to stop Martin’s assault in any state in the Union. If escape from an assailant is impossible, then it is lawful to use deadly force to stop the assault.

What matters is how Zimmerman ended up on the ground. If he stalked Martin then initiated the physical confrontation and assault the fact he started to lose in no way justifies the application of lethal force.

83 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:35:20pm

re: #80 dragonath

Hey Dark, what do you think of Kirk voting against Hagel?

Captain Kirk voted against Hagel? That traitor.

84 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:35:59pm

the last straw

i have a large supply

85 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:36:38pm

re: #80 dragonath

Hey Dark, what do you think of Kirk voting against Hagel?

I approve of his vote. Hagel is something of an ass in my mind and his siding against John McCain marks him as insufficiently loyal to his party. Refusing to allow a vote would have been wrong, but voting against Hagel was the right call for Mark Kirk.

86 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:37:22pm

re: #64 goddamnedfrank

According to St. Malachy’s prophesy the next Pope, Peter the Roman, is supposed to be the last anyway. Even though I don’t believe in prophesy, it’s probably safe to say that whoever succeeds Leggs Benedict is going to have a pretty rough go of it.

wait till the truth about the transubstantiation quark leaks out

87 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:37:26pm

re: #77 b_sharp

It pisses the shit out of us!!

Muhahaha! Next we’ll claim to have invented poutine, while mispronouncing it.

88 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:37:47pm

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

I approve of his vote. Hagel is something of an ass in my mind and his siding against John McCain marks him as insufficiently loyal to his party. Refusing to allow a vote would have been wrong, but voting against Hagel was the right call for Mark Kirk.

Rational loyalty has it all over blind loyalty.

89 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:38:00pm

re: #82 goddamnedfrank

What matters is how Zimmerman ended up on the ground. If he stalked Martin then initiated the physical confrontation and assault the fact he started to lose in no way justifies the application of lethal force.

This. Still a great number of ‘if’s in this case. The SYG hearing will hopefully provide some additional clarity.

90 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:38:25pm

re: #87 goddamnedfrank

Muhahaha! Next we’ll claim to have invented poutine, while mispronouncing it.

Don’t you fricken dare, eh.

91 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:40:46pm

Florida man shot and wounded by his dog

A Florida man was shot and wounded over the weekend by his dog, who walked away without charges, police said.
.
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The incident is only the latest in a string of bizarre shootings in Florida. Just last week, a woman in St. Petersburg was wounded when she was shot by a friend’s oven.

how the elephant got into my pajamas i’ll never know

92 dragonath  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:41:14pm

Do you live in a Gorilla Commune? Are you a member of the Kanga Rat Murder Society? Or are you just a Wolf Napoleoneke?

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93 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:42:56pm

re: #90 b_sharp

Don’t you fricken dare, eh.

Don’t worry, we’ll let you keep Nickleback but we will be annexing The Kids in the Hall.

94 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:44:02pm

re: #91 engineer cat

Florida man shot and wounded by his dog

A Florida man was shot and wounded over the weekend by his dog, who walked away without charges, police said.
.
.
The incident is only the latest in a string of bizarre shootings in Florida. Just last week, a woman in St. Petersburg was wounded when she was shot by a friend’s oven.

how the elephant got into my pajamas i’ll never know

We even saw some native girls and had some pictures taken of them though they aren’t developed yet…. but are going back again in a few weeks!

95 AlexRogan  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:45:11pm

re: #93 goddamnedfrank

Don’t worry, we’ll let you keep Nickleback but we will be annexing The Kids in the Hall.

Ehh, we already took most of the good Canadians and kept them.

Like catch-and-release, just no release.

///

96 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:45:23pm

re: #93 goddamnedfrank

Don’t worry, we’ll let you keep Nickleback but we will be annexing The Kids in the Hall.

Hardly a fair deal. Can we have Michelle Obama?

97 AlexRogan  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:47:24pm

re: #96 b_sharp

Hardly a fair deal. Can we have Michelle Obama?

No, but we can send you your choice of Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, or Ted Nugent.

/

98 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:48:34pm

re: #97 TedStriker

No, but we can send you your choice of Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, or Ted Nugent.

/

If we are feeling merciful we will also offer up a box of blankets infected with smallpox instead…///

100 blueraven  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:50:26pm

re: #89 Dark_Falcon

This. Still a great number of ‘if’s in this case. The SYG hearing will hopefully provide some additional clarity.

Yes, they are using the SYG law, they just dont want to say they are using SYG. Who’s misleading who?

101 dragonath  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:50:29pm

Trade you Rush for Rush. Good deal.

102 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:51:55pm

re: #96 b_sharp

Hardly a fair deal. Can we have Michelle Obama?

That’s asking a lot. You’re gonna have to give up Rush, Feist, SoCalled, and Tegan & Sara.

103 AlexRogan  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:52:19pm

re: #101 dragonath

Trade you Rush for Rush. Good deal.

Rock gods for a bloviating douchebag?

Seems legit…

104 blueraven  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:55:31pm

re: #99 Gus

Ben Shapiro, 12, Plays “Schindler’s List”

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He should have stuck to music. He was a cute kid.

105 AlexRogan  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:57:41pm

re: #104 blueraven

He should have stuck to music. He was a cute kid.

Now, he’s just a bloviating douchebag too.

106 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:00:57pm

re: #97 TedStriker

No, but we can send you your choice of Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, or Ted Nugent.

/

Thanks, for nothing.

107 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:01:18pm

re: #98 jamesfirecat

If we are feeling merciful we will also offer up a box of blankets infected with smallpox instead…///

Already been done.

108 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:01:50pm

re: #101 dragonath

Trade you Rush for Rush. Good deal.

No, no, no, no, no!

109 Gus  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:03:55pm

Well. Expect to see this getting played out by the usual suspects.

110 Gus  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:04:59pm
111 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:07:40pm

re: #100 blueraven

Yes, they are using the SYG law, they just dont want to say they are using SYG. Who’s misleading who?

They are using a hearing option grant by the law of that name, while not claiming the basis of justification the law set up. It’s splitting hairs, but the law often provides for hairsplitting distinctions. It’s also an attempt to divorce the case from a controversial legal provision. The defense attorney is essentially saying “Regardless of how you feel about Stand Your Ground, this case isn’t about that provision. George Zimmerman could not retreated from his assailant*, thus that provision does not apply.”

*: “His assailant” is the term defense counsel would likely use in making that statement, the object being to making Trayvon Martin into the bad guy of the fatal encounter. I used such language purely to produce a simulated quote and for no other purpose.

112 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:08:37pm

re: #102 goddamnedfrank

That’s asking a lot. You’re gonna have to give up Rush, Feist, SoCalled, and Tegan & Sara.

I don’t think so.

113 blueraven  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:18:10pm

re: #111 Dark_Falcon

They are using a hearing option grant by the law of that name, while not claiming the basis of justification the law set up. It’s splitting hairs, but the law often provides for hairsplitting distinctions. It’s also an attempt to divorce the case from a controversial legal provision. The defense attorney is essentially saying “Regardless of how you feel about Stand Your Ground, this case isn’t about that provision. George Zimmerman could not retreated from his assailant*, thus that provision does not apply.”

*: “His assailant” is the term defense counsel would likely use in making that statement, the object being to making Trayvon Martin into the bad guy of the fatal encounter. I used such language purely to produce a simulated quote and for no other purpose.

Then they should use “self defense”. It is purely semantics to say they are not using SYG while hoping to get totally immunity from criminal prosecution or even a civil case built on the provisions of the SYG law.

They are using SYG or they are not. Cant have it both ways.

114 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:22:36pm

re: #113 blueraven

Then they should use “self defense”. It is purely semantics to say they are not using SYG while hoping to get totally immunity from criminal prosecution or even a civil case built on the provisions of the SYG law.

They are using SYG or they are not. Cant have it both ways.

Semantics, yes, but those can often count in front of a jury. And while the defense lawyer hopes to avoid a trial, he is preparing in case things reach that point. Remember that defense lawyers are not obligated to be intellectually honest in such matters; The laws allows them to DERP and mislead.

115 efuseakay  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:23:16pm

re: #110 Gus

If only they had more guns…

116 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:25:52pm

re: #82 goddamnedfrank

What matters is how Zimmerman ended up on the ground. If he stalked Martin then initiated the physical confrontation and assault the fact he started to lose in no way justifies the application of lethal force.

Actually no, it doesn’t matter how he ended up on the ground. There is plenty of precedent of an attacker pursuing someone, then using the weapon when he lost the advantage.

117 efuseakay  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:27:40pm

re: #97 TedStriker

No, but we can send you your choice of Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, or Ted Nugent.

/

What. No Alex Jones? Weaksauce.

118 Gus  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:28:36pm

Today was week four of my broken fibula. The good news is that currently, my right knee and hip are making clicking sounds from time to time. The non-hunting, declawed yet grouchy tuxedo cat is parked next to me.

119 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:29:15pm

re: #111 Dark_Falcon

They are using a hearing option grant by the law of that name, while not claiming the basis of justification the law set up. It’s splitting hairs, but the law often provides for hairsplitting distinctions. It’s also an attempt to divorce the case from a controversial legal provision. The defense attorney is essentially saying “Regardless of how you feel about Stand Your Ground, this case isn’t about that provision. George Zimmerman could not retreated from his assailant*, thus that provision does not apply.”

*: “His assailant” is the term defense counsel would likely use in making that statement, the object being to making Trayvon Martin into the bad guy of the fatal encounter. I used such language purely to produce a simulated quote and for no other purpose.

Sorry, DF, but the question of ability to retreat is not applicable only at the instant of the decision to draw and shoot. The option to withdraw existed prior to the confrontation which led to the shooting. Because he did not have a duty to retreat he could indeed create the situation and/or initiate the confrontation that led to the shooting.

SYG potentially applies. If it does not then GZ has some problems with the question: Why, believing the other person was a criminal, did you continue instead of withdrawing?

120 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:32:16pm

re: #118 Gus

my right knee and hip are making clicking sounds from time to time

Mine have been doing that for over 30 years, as well as my left knee, left ankle, neck and right shoulder!

if I walk just right, it sounds as if I’m carrying a box of canasta’s with me!!

121 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:35:30pm

re: #118 Gus

Today was week four of my broken fibula. The good news is that currently, my right knee and hip are making clicking sounds from time to time. The non-hunting, declawed yet grouchy tuxedo cat is parked next to me.

I approach the first full week of broken tibia and fibula. The good news is that I may have found enough assistance I can afford the surgery.

The cat which claims me as her primary property, not declawed, is taking a break to argue with the other cats over food dish priorities. It appears I must get my crutches. I shall be back, if for no other reason than to let you know I survived coming between cats and their food.

122 blueraven  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:35:54pm

re: #114 Dark_Falcon

Semantics, yes, but those can often count in front of a jury. And while the defense lawyer hopes to avoid a trial, he is preparing in case things reach that point. Remember that defense lawyers are not obligated to be intellectually honest in such matters; The laws allows them to DERP and mislead.

That is my point DF. They are being dishonest and trying to have it both ways. Political Atheist said CBS misled their viewers in stating Zimmerman was using SYG. They are using it. Yes, to try to avoid prosecution, no matter how much they deny it.

123 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:36:27pm

Architect: Vertical farm in San Diego would revolutionize U.S. produce consumption

A young architect hopes a developer will decide to build his 23-acre farm in the center of San Diego. Unlike most farms, this one would reach 500 feet into the sky.

Brandon Martella, 24, graduated from the New School of Architecture and Design last year and quickly finished his plans for the Live Share Grow tower. He told KPBS San Diego on Tuesday that his vertical farm was an attempt to revolutionize the industry, placing consumers closer to their food.

Half of the tower would contain residential units while the other half would contain growing space. Martella estimated that his farm could produce 500,000 thousand pounds of food every three months. The farm doesn’t require pesticides and could reuse the residents’ excrement as fertilizer, making environmentally friendly.

“The system I would want to use is to reclaim the grey water from the residential,” he explained. “That would actually feed into the building, be pumped to the top, through a series of aerobic reactions and charcoal filters the water would be cleansed, and that would feed the plants.”

124 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:41:38pm

re: #121 kirkspencer

I approach the first full week of broken tibia and fibula. The good news is that I may have found enough assistance I can afford the surgery.

The cat which claims me as her primary property, not declawed, is taking a break to argue with the other cats over food dish priorities. It appears I must get my crutches. I shall be back, if for no other reason than to let you know I survived coming between cats and their food.

It appears that to a cat, crutches are OMG WHERE DID YOU GET THOSE CLAWS I QUIT. I return, unscathed, to take some drugs and hope for sleep.

Tomorrow, all.

125 Gus  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:45:07pm
126 Gus  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:48:16pm

re: #123 Kragar (Antichrist )

Architect: Vertical farm in San Diego would revolutionize U.S. produce consumption

LOL I went to the architect’s website and it had a Pizza Hut ad for his video. Reloaded and now I’m getting a BP ad for his video.

127 Gus  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:50:05pm

I imagine the rent will be affordable.

//

128 efuseakay  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:03:48pm

re: #118 Gus

Today was week four of my broken fibula. The good news is that currently, my right knee and hip are making clicking sounds from time to time. The non-hunting, declawed yet grouchy tuxedo cat is parked next to me.

I rolled my left ankle some 20 years ago. It still clicks when I rotate it to this day. But it’s fully functional and I’m not gimpy. You’ll be alright too. :)

129 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:08:09pm

re: #116 kirkspencer

Actually no, it doesn’t matter how he ended up on the ground. There is plenty of precedent of an attacker pursuing someone, then using the weapon when he lost the advantage.

There’s precedent of a person pursing a criminal that they witness committing a crime using SYG as a defense. Care to show us a precedent of someone initiating an assault on a random person who they’ve not witnessed do anything illegal successfully using the defense?

130 chadu  Wed, Feb 27, 2013 8:04:12am

re: #64 goddamnedfrank

According to St. Malachy’s prophesy the next Pope, Peter the Roman, is supposed to be the last anyway. Even though I don’t believe in prophesy, it’s probably safe to say that whoever succeeds Leggs Benedict is going to have a pretty rough go of it.

I totes forgot about the Prophecy of the Popes! Thanks, have an upding!


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