Is the NSA Out of Control? What Does the Data Say?

It says no
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A great article by David Gerwitz with some much-needed perspective on what the numbers really tell us about NSA surveillance: Data-Driven Analysis Debunks Claims That NSA Is Out of Control (Special Report).

Let’s start with a basic problem. Big numbers are hard for people to visualize. Really, really, really big numbers are impossible to visualize.

The gotcha that comes out of this cognitive limitation is that it’s possible to distort public perception by tossing out big-sounding numbers. Even if an attempt is made to put those numbers in perspective, most readers grab the most savory bit of information, usually from the headline, and that’s what becomes their internal representation of the facts.

So let me summarize the results of my data-driven investigation, and then take you through the details. Here is a summary of the results of my analysis:

  • Facebook captures 20 times more data per day (for just its server logs, not counting everyone’s posts) than the NSA captures in total.
  • The NSA’s selection systems are actually insanely accurate. If you compared all the data they capture to a year’s worth of time, the amount of errors they make amounts to about a quarter of a millisecond.
  • The actual byte quantity of erroneous data the NSA records amounts to less than one MP3 track per week.
  • If these numbers were reported in a corporate situation, they would be considered an absolute triumph of big data management and implementation.

So, there you go. Headlines hyper-inflate the facts. Now let me take you through all the details.

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328 comments
1 AlexRogan  Mon, Aug 19, 2013 8:47:51pm

Emoprog dudebros won’t let a little thing like cold, hard facts get in the way of wailing like banshees in faux outrage.

Confirmed. FACT.

2 Kragar  Mon, Aug 19, 2013 8:54:40pm

The only scandal here is that people keep taking Greenwald seriously.

3 erik_t  Mon, Aug 19, 2013 8:57:46pm

Failures are nonzero. Failures will always be nonzero. When most documented failures are boring and trivial, either ZOMG THE ENTIRE ORGANIZATION IS COMPLICIT (which makes you wonder if Feinstein is smokin’ something funny) or things are operating mostly properly.

Yet another frustrating distraction from a very relevant and important and sensible discussion of privacy and overreach and whatnot, because Teh GG is a Sovereign World Citizen and/or can’t fucking resist getting pageviews.

4 SnowdenBaggerVance  Mon, Aug 19, 2013 9:02:12pm

The real disappointment is so many I respected have completely lost their shit on this subject. It takes so much work to wade through the ideology and get to some objective ground.

Snowdenbaggers

5 dog philosopher  Mon, Aug 19, 2013 10:36:59pm

i didn’t get back home until late today

what was it that rachel was saying about GG?

6 Amory Blaine  Mon, Aug 19, 2013 10:42:49pm

The Guardian sure is putting their reputation on the line.

7 Amory Blaine  Mon, Aug 19, 2013 10:58:23pm

Most of these people have an ax to grind and they’ve been chomping at the bit to latch onto something, anything to confirm their suspicions that the government is violating them in some manner. Right wing authority would have nipped this in the bud ruthlessly and squashed this from the start. The government never gets credit for the billions of services that are successful and/or gets the job done.

8 dog philosopher  Mon, Aug 19, 2013 11:21:49pm

re: #7 Amory Blaine

Most of these people have an ax to grind and they’ve been chomping at the bit to latch onto something

mixed metaphor alert!

your horse has an ax and a latch

9 Amory Blaine  Mon, Aug 19, 2013 11:35:08pm

re: #8 dog philosopher

He he cut me some slack I’m medicated ;)

10 freetoken  Mon, Aug 19, 2013 11:55:04pm

MP3 Audio

11 dog philosopher  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:08:13am

re: #10 freetoken

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omigod is that the desi arnaz hit that looocy was always referring to?

12 freetoken  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:38:19am

re: #11 dog philosopher

Miguelito Valdes, legendary Cuban signer, with Xavier Cougat.

13 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:58:15am

from my fb.

Did Thomas Sowell ever think his name would be used by a “liberal” group?

14 freetoken  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:36:56am

One of my favorite Miguelito Valdes tunes is his late recording of El Limpiabotas.

An older recording:
Youtube Video

Later on in life a superior studio recording:

Youtube Video

That latter recording, btw, is a good tune for all those salsa dancers who want to be “on two” types because, unlike so much music played and pushed as “on two” music, that late recording of El Limpiabotas does call for “breaking on 2”, like the older mambo music.

15 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 4:30:00am

Awww, Glennlandia wants “his stuff” back.

BBC Breaking News ‏@BBCBreaking 11m

The @Guardian newspaper begins legal action to stop UK police examining material seized from David #Miranda bbc.in

It’s stolen state secrets—you can’t have it back, but thanks for playing.

ETA: Correction: GG is doing this through David Miranda, not The Guardian:

Danny Shaw ‏@DannyShawBBC 9m

To clarify: David Miranda is taking legal action against Home Office. Guardian “supportive” but not leading on it.

Even better.

16 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 4:31:13am

re: #13 FemNaziBitch

from my fb.

Did Thomas Sowell ever think his name would be used by a “liberal” group?

The only Sowell quote that I see spammed by wingnuts over and over this one:


“Those who produce” are supposed to be the Waltons and the Koch’s, while the “growing number of parasites” are those workers of theirs who keep unreasonably demanding a living wage.

Although it would actually make much more sense the other way around.

17 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 4:33:40am

re: #15 Justanotherhuman

Awww, Glennlandia wants “his stuff” back.

BBC Breaking News ‏@BBCBreaking 11m

The @Guardian newspaper begins legal action to stop UK police examining material seized from David #Miranda bbc.in

It’s stolen state secrets—you can’t have it back, but thanks for playing.

Can never have it back, because it’s not a secret any more.

18 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 4:39:45am

re: #17 Decatur Deb

Can never have it back, because it’s not a secret any more.

Technically, not all of it isn’t a secret, at least a lot of the particulars.

This must be what GG meant by getting revenge against the UK. Nothing on his twitter line about any legal action. But interesting that The Guardian is a back player in this (“supportive”) since there’s no way that Miranda could conceivably be considered employed by them, and they know it. Wonder if they’ll wash their hands of GG soon to salvage their reputation and more importantly, avoid legal action themselves?

19 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 4:42:53am

re: #18 Justanotherhuman

Technically, not all of it isn’t a secret, at least a lot of the particulars.

This must be what GG meant by getting revenge against the UK. Nothing on his twitter line about any legal action. But interesting that The Guardian is a back player in this (“supportive”) since there’s no way that Miranda could conceivably be considered employed by them, and they know it. Wonder if they’ll wash their hands of GG soon to salvage their reputation and more importantly, avoid legal action themselves?

Doubt they value their reputation any more than Hearst. Once Snowden’s stuff left the building, billions of dollars of work value, and perhaps a few lives, went with him. The systems in place then cannot be trusted again.

20 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 4:51:25am

DERP

21 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 4:51:51am

re: #19 Decatur Deb

Doubt they value their reputation any more than Hearst. Once Snowden’s stuff left the building, billions of dollars of work value, and perhaps a few lives, went with him. The systems in place then cannot be trusted again.

You mean he cost taxpayers millions if not billions to repair things?

22 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 4:53:15am

I’m trying to fit my brain around Glenn’s “logic” here. Is he saying that the law does not apply to his boyfriend just because his boyfriend was not carrying a bunch of bombs?

Even though he was totally carrying a bunch of “JOURNALISTIC BOMBSHELLS.”

23 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 4:59:37am

re: #21 Sol Berdinowitz

You mean he cost taxpayers millions if not billions to repair things?

If that can even be done in anything like the short run. Snowden might have the rare distinction of being ‘visible’ in the next few invisible NSA budgets.

24 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 5:01:51am

re: #19 Decatur Deb

Well, there’s a reason Snowden, Poitras and Greenwald are all out of the country now—it makes any legal action against them by the US very, very complicated.

Travel for any of them may be out of the question, and staying in place may not be as safe as they imagine, depending on which country in which they choose to live. They have, in essence, become persona non grata, esp in the US and UK, and depending upon which country they choose in which to travel and live. There’s virtually nothing in international law which either protects or prosecutes them as non-diplomatic actors.

25 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 5:03:18am

re: #24 Justanotherhuman

Well, there’s a reason Snowden, Poitras and Greenwald are all out of the country now—it makes any legal action against them by the US very, very complicated.

Travel for any of them may be out of the question, and staying in place may not be as safe as they imagine, depending on which country in which they choose to live. They have, in essence, become persona non grata, esp in the US and UK, and depending upon which country they choose in which to travel and live. There’s virtually nothing in international law which either protects or prosecutes them as non-diplomatic actors.

Always welcome in Puritopia.

26 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 5:06:47am

re: #25 Decatur Deb

Always welcome in Puritopia.

Or The Idiocracy.

27 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 5:12:07am

re: #26 Justanotherhuman

Some of them, Poitras particularly, are certified smart. She got a MacArthur ‘Genius Grant’. Smart can take you to strange places.

28 A Mom Anon  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 5:26:04am

re: #24 Justanotherhuman

As far as Greenwald goes, his original reason for leaving the country was in protest because it was not legal for him and Miranda to get married here. OK, I can get that, it sucks and it’s wrong.

There also seem to be other reasons though, like a fairly large (to me at least) bit of back taxes owed and perhaps other legalities. I think the marriage thing is a ruse as to why he’s not living here, which I would not think if the man wasn’t a self serving liar. I also wonder if the Snowden thing is the first bit of shit he’s up to his eyeballs in or if there are other things of a similar nature that no one’s spotted yet. He also doesn’t seem to be the least bit concerned about the civil rights of the people in Brazil, which is odd, considering that’s been his home for some time now and that Mr Miranda is from there.

When someone lies to me, I think it’s because they think I’m too stupid to figure out the truth on my own. It pisses me off and I won’t then think you haven’t got other skeletons just waiting to fly out of what’s most likely a really big closet. Greenwald think’s he’s infallible and too clever for the rest of us, I just don’t think the Snowden mess is the whole story with the guy, call it a woman’s intuition thing.

29 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 5:29:55am

Have to write a whole bunch of store procedures to produce a line graph plotted by weeks.

Plotting by day is easy; plotting by month is easy.

Plotting by week is a bitch and a half, gotta use temp tables, ‘n’ inner joins ‘n’ shit.

Gotta get this finished before Labor day.

30 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 5:35:33am

re: #29 Vicious Babushka

Have to write a whole bunch of store procedures to produce a line graph plotted by weeks.

Plotting by day is easy; plotting by month is easy.

Plotting by week is a bitch and a half, gotta use temp tables, ‘n’ inner joins ‘n’ shit.

Gotta get this finished before Labor day.

Fun stuff. And temp tables sometimes generate really bizarre error codes when they don’t work right. Plus you get to play with tables essentially crossing themselves - just don’t blow up the universe!*

* - imagine all databases as you know it stopping instantaneously and every field in them exploding at the speed of light.

31 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 5:41:52am

re: #30 Feline Fearless Leader

Fun stuff. And temp tables sometimes generate really bizarre error codes when they don’t work right. Plus you get to play with tables essentially crossing themselves - just don’t blow up the universe!*

* - imagine all databases as you know it stopping instantaneously and every field in them exploding at the speed of light.

I have to join tables in Development and Production!

32 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 5:42:14am

This is why I get paid the big bucks. :)

33 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 5:57:55am

re: #28 A Mom Anon

As far as Greenwald goes, his original reason for leaving the country was in protest because it was not legal for him and Miranda to get married here. OK, I can get that, it sucks and it’s wrong.

There also seem to be other reasons though, like a fairly large (to me at least) bit of back taxes owed and perhaps other legalities. I think the marriage thing is a ruse as to why he’s not living here, which I would not think if the man wasn’t a self serving liar. I also wonder if the Snowden thing is the first bit of shit he’s up to his eyeballs in or if there are other things of a similar nature that no one’s spotted yet. He also doesn’t seem to be the least bit concerned about the civil rights of the people in Brazil, which is odd, considering that’s been his home for some time now and that Mr Miranda is from there.

When someone lies to me, I think it’s because they think I’m too stupid to figure out the truth on my own. It pisses me off and I won’t then think you haven’t got other skeletons just waiting to fly out of what’s most likely a really big closet. Greenwald think’s he’s infallible and too clever for the rest of us, I just don’t think the Snowden mess is the whole story with the guy, call it a woman’s intuition thing.

Quite a ruse, considering they haven’t opted to get married yet. No formal ceremony or license that I’ve heard about (wouldn’t you think GG would have twittered or blogged about that?). His issues with taxes and judgments (liens) in lawsuits here have a great deal to do with why he left the country. This report, called a “hit piece” by those who admire GG, even though it pulls the info from public records, shows that one particular case was “settled” in 2004 and he blames a lot of what went on on both the 2 men he was working with in the porn business. It’s typical “poor pitiful me—I was duped” GG: nydailynews.com

“We’re negotiating over payment plans,” he said.

For 10 years? Fool, please.

34 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 6:09:47am

DUDEBRONADO OF THE DAY

35 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 6:10:35am

re: #31 Vicious Babushka

I have to join tables in Development and Production!

O_o

Though we do allow that to some extent given the circumstances. Read-only against Production, and just for tables that are not properly supported/updated in DEV.

How far apart are your DEV and PRD dbs? For us there is a considerable lag risk added since the two databases are in separate data centers a few hundred miles apart and not on the same LAN, much less being in fairly close physical proximity.

36 A Mom Anon  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 6:11:45am

re: #34 Vicious Babushka

I kinda has a sad about Alan Grayson jumping into this, he’s often really good about other issues, like healthcare and bank ripoffs.

37 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 6:12:56am

re: #34 Vicious Babushka

DUDEBRONADO OF THE DAY

They’re all Sith!
:p
//

Love all the black/white viewpoints being tossed about. Apparently nuance only exists in the real world and Twitter has no room for it.

38 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 6:15:47am

re: #36 A Mom Anon

I kinda has a sad about Alan Grayson jumping into this, he’s often really good about other issues, like healthcare and bank ripoffs.

He seems pretty Weiner to me— says a lot of the right stuff but he’s so theatrical and self-promoting it’s hard to take him seriously.

Like, what does “Standing with Greenwald” actually mean? Does it mean endorsing the ideas Greenwald has promoted?

39 b.d.  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 6:16:54am

I was pulled over this morning for going 20 miles over the speed limit, I told them that I live under Greenwald Law and that they have to let me go.

40 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 6:17:21am

re: #38 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

He seems pretty Weiner to me— says a lot of the right stuff but he’s so theatrical and self-promoting it’s hard to take him seriously.

Like, what does “Standing with Greenwald” actually mean? Does it mean endorsing the ideas Greenwald has promoted?

It means endorsing some sort of cloud-cuckoo agenda that GG has come to promote himself as a defender of

41 b.d.  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 6:17:45am

re: #36 A Mom Anon

I kinda has a sad about Alan Grayson jumping into this, he’s often really good about other issues, like healthcare and bank ripoffs.

Doesn’t Grayson have a mock committee meeting to hold or something?

42 BongCrodny  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 6:22:08am

From U.S. News & World Report:

Birther Orly Taitz: Ted Cruz Has Basically The Same Problem As Obama’s

So in other words: no problem at all, right?

43 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 6:23:18am

re: #42 BongCrodny


Right on cue.

44 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 6:23:21am
45 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 6:23:42am
46 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 6:24:17am

GOHMERT!

47 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 6:28:54am

re: #46 Vicious Babushka

GOHMERT!

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People who do a bad job, are sent off into the wilderness until the dust settles and then reinstated? Unheard of!!!

48 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 6:36:05am

So, Sirota is calling on any criminal to flee the country, rather than stay in the States. Maybe that’s why Greenwald’s really staying in Brazil - it’s not just that he was waiting for gay marriage to become legal; he’s got outstanding tax liens with both NYS and the IRS.

NYS has a tax lien lookup, and anyone can look up the tax information on anyone, including Greenwald (want to see it yourself, just plug in his name and then click on the link provided there). That plus the IRS tally, and there’s reason enough to want to stay away.

But he fancies himself as bigger and over the government. He’s the decider who knows best what national security should be and how information should be released/uncontrolled.

49 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 6:36:21am

re: #46 Vicious Babushka

GOHMERT!

I thought the “Benghazi debacle” was the GOP committee fishing expeditions trying to create and pin a scandal on Obama and Clinton.

50 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 6:37:20am

More ravings about the Miranda detention in the UK:

Glenn Greenwald’s partner David Miranda to take legal action

edition.cnn.com

Bindmans press release: Bindmans send opening salvo in challenge to legality of David Miranda’s detention

bindmans.com

51 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 6:37:23am

re: #47 Sol Berdinowitz

There are a couple of US Senators and Representatives who are (or were) like that…. even a couple of state officials who went off the reservation and found their way back into government.

Mark Sanford comes to mind, and Weiner and Spitzer are both trying the same.

52 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 6:38:31am

re: #48 lawhawk

So, Sirota is calling on any criminal to flee the country, rather than stay in the States. Maybe that’s why Greenwald’s really staying in Brazil - it’s not just that he was waiting for gay marriage to become legal; he’s got outstanding tax liens with both NYS and the IRS.

NYS has a tax lien lookup, and anyone can look up the tax information on anyone, including Greenwald (want to see it yourself, just plug in his name and then click on the link provided there). That plus the IRS tally, and there’s reason enough to want to stay away.

But he fancies himself as bigger and over the government. He’s the decider who knows best what national security should be and how information should be released/uncontrolled.

And note that he has managed/manipulated the situation to now be personal. He can now safety jettison Snowden and continue to focus the affront by the US/UK to be about the Greenwald and only about the Greenwald.

53 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 6:40:24am

re: #50 Justanotherhuman

The fun thing about legal proceedings by blowhards is that they require discovery. You claim information was damaged/destroyed - you’re going to have to inventory what was on there. And you will get more than what you bargained for.

But this is Greenwald’s attempt at lawfare against the UK, where the legal rules and civil protections are quite different than here in the US (or Brazil for that matter). Press protections in the UK are a wee bit different too. And The Guardian knows this better than Greenwald.

54 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 6:42:57am

Well here’s the thing, David. For all of this emoprog emoting, the dudebros haven’t actually found any solid evidence of actual LAWBREAKING on the part of the government.
Huffing and puffing about being tortured and droned to death is just silly.

55 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 6:44:44am

re: #54 Vicious Babushka

Well here’s the thing, David. For all of this emoprog emoting, the dudebros haven’t actually found any solid evidence of actual LAWBREAKING on the part of the government.
Huffing and puffing about being tortured and droned to death is just silly.

Over the top rhetoric. The LWNJ have succeeded in wrestling the majority of the media attention from the RWNJ. I am impressed. Expect an even heavier salvo later today from Fischer, Gohmert, and Limbaugh as they attempt to reclaim the newscycle.

56 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 6:45:08am

re: #53 lawhawk

The fun thing about legal proceedings by blowhards is that they require discovery. You claim information was damaged/destroyed - you’re going to have to inventory what was on there. And you will get more than what you bargained for.

But this is Greenwald’s attempt at lawfare against the UK, where the legal rules and civil protections are quite different than here in the US (or Brazil for that matter). Press protections in the UK are a wee bit different too. And The Guardian knows this better than Greenwald.

Yes, and who is paying Bindmans for this? The Guardian? Certainly not GG.

57 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 6:46:37am

re: #54 Vicious Babushka

Well here’s the thing, David. For all of this emoprog emoting, the dudebros haven’t actually found any solid evidence of actual LAWBREAKING on the part of the government.
Huffing and puffing about being tortured and droned to death is just silly.

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Not to mention that a government as amoral, murderous, and omnipotent as Greenwald/Sirota’s Amerikkka can ‘get u’ anywhere.

DRONZ!!1!

58 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 6:49:26am

re: #57 Decatur Deb

Not to mention that a government as amoral, murderous, and omnipotent as Greenwald/Sirota’s Amerikkka can ‘get’ you anywhere.

DRONZ!!1!

Heh. And in an amoral government the calculus is done constantly between not caring, being discreet, and openly eliminating them. The latter showing that the government is truly not to be messed with.

The old USSR had a clear policy on hostage-takers. The hostages would probably die, but the USSR was also going to eliminate the kidnappers. IIRC, their diplomats were generally left alone in the Middle East after the first few events.

59 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 6:50:49am

RIP:

60 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 6:51:40am

re: #59 lawhawk

RIP:

:(

Was watching a Randolph Scott western last night based on one of his stories.

61 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 6:53:03am

The Bradley Manning sentencing will be announced tomorrow by Judge Lind. Prosecutors had been seeking 60 years (max on charges would have been 90 years); Manning’s lawyers had been hoping the judge would be lenient because it would otherwise rob him of his youth (Manning is 25).

62 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 6:55:01am

re: #60 Feline Fearless Leader

Randolph Scott? *saluting*

Youtube Video

63 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 6:56:52am

re: #16 Vicious Babushka

The only Sowell quote that I see spammed by wingnuts over and over this one:

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“Those who produce” are supposed to be the Waltons and the Koch’s, while the “growing number of parasites” are those workers of theirs who keep unreasonably demanding a living wage.

Although it would actually make much more sense the other way around.

I love it when professed Christians call human beings Parasites. Let’s me know who they really are.

64 Lancelot Link  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 6:57:42am

re: #54 Vicious Babushka

I just found out Sirota used to have a Clear Channel radio show with Michael “Heck of a job, Brownie” Brown until just after the last election. Sirota would bitch about Obama from the left and Brown would bitch about Obama from the right.
That’s a Brogressive!

65 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:00:09am
66 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:00:18am

Seen on GG’s twitter:

Spencer Ackerman ‏@attackerman 53m

“Journalism is not terrorism.” Such a sad circumstance that @maddow had to say those words. MSNBC Video …

No, and activism isn’t journalism, either.

67 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:00:56am

(Arkansas)Senate Passes Bill to Ban Certain Tattoos, Body Piercings

You know, because it’s all this ink that causing our problems.

/

68 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:00:58am

re: #66 Justanotherhuman

Seen on GG’s twitter:

Spencer Ackerman ‏@attackerman 53m

“Journalism is not terrorism.” Such a sad circumstance that @maddow had to say those words. [Embedded content]

…

No, and activism isn’t journalism, either.

Attention-whoring isn’t journalism.

69 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:01:22am

Making the story all about YOU isn’t journalism.

70 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:02:20am

Thanks, Jenny McCarthy

71 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:03:14am

Like I said yesterday, Woodwood and Bernstein seems to be an impossible act to follow.

GG ain’t even in the running.

72 ObserverArt  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:03:14am

When is Mr. Sirota moving to another country? It is obvious the United States no longer meets his needs.

Maybe Russia. Then he can tweet to his hearts content about how great it all is.

Or Brazil. It’s has great beaches.

Anywhere but the US and the UK for good old Dave.

73 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:05:25am

re: #69 Vicious Babushka

Making the story all about YOU isn’t journalism.

Traveling to another country and back to transport State secrets isn’t journalism, either.

74 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:10:12am

Wingnuts are still Derping, even though the Derp from the Dudebros is drowning them out.

75 piratedan  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:13:32am

what I still want to see is a timeline…. when did Snowden take the contract gig, when did he contact GG, when did he contact the WaPo, when did he do the illegal download, when did GG send his first tweet, when did the story get published and where was the snowman at that time. what did the first GG tweet say and what was claimed and how that stacks up now with what is being said and claimed. what data has been revealed and how does that compare with what has been claimed. I can’t shake the feeling that this is just being orchestrated from behind the curtain by someone, somewhere who has incredibly bad dramatic pacing. I still get the feeling that Snowden has been someones tool and has played GG and the “professional left” (or perhaps the “libertarian left” is a better label) to stand in when the RWNJ had finally exhausted themselves with these faux scandals to continually put the President on the defensive. I still suspect that a whole bunch of the histrionics is a simple cover for a bit of espionage performed for a bit of cash and notoriety. The remainder is simply playing the players for who they are.

76 Lidane  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:14:42am

re: #59 lawhawk

Well shit. That stinks.

RIP Elmore Leonard. :(

77 GlutenFreeJesus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:15:50am

re: #74 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts are still Derping, even though the Derp from the Dudebros is drowning them out.

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Yeah Erick. Let’s define ourselves as a Christian Nation… then count all the countries we’ve invaded, civilians we’ve killed, coups we started, kidnappings/detentions/torture blah blah blah. All in the name of JEYZOOS!!!!!!!!

78 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:15:54am

re: #70 FemNaziBitch

Thanks, Jenny McCarthy

One of the big problems wasn’t included in that infographic. Somalia is a huge reservoir of polio cases, and no functioning public health system at all. It’s an outbreak of major proportions, and from there cases could spread to elsewhere on the horn of Africa.

79 Lidane  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:16:10am

re: #74 Vicious Babushka

Dear Erick,

We also don’t have to rewrite history to show Christianity slaughtering people by the millions. See how that works?

Moron.

No love,
Me

80 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:17:07am

re: #78 lawhawk

One of the big problems wasn’t included in that infographic. Somalia is a huge reservoir of polio cases, and no functioning public health system at all. It’s an outbreak of major proportions, and from there cases could spread to elsewhere on the horn of Africa.

Good Catch! I missed that.

81 GlutenFreeJesus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:17:37am

re: #54 Vicious Babushka

Well here’s the thing, David. For all of this emoprog emoting, the dudebros haven’t actually found any solid evidence of actual LAWBREAKING on the part of the government.
Huffing and puffing about being tortured and droned to death is just silly.

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“I AM THE LAW!!!!”

82 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:17:43am
83 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:18:25am
84 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:18:57am

This Congressman Thinks Climate Change is a Liberal Plot to “Create Global Government”

Isn’t this a 10 year old meme?

85 Lidane  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:19:02am

re: #78 lawhawk

One of the big problems wasn’t included in that infographic. Somalia is a huge reservoir of polio cases, and no functioning public health system at all. It’s an outbreak of major proportions, and from there cases could spread to elsewhere on the horn of Africa.

Yep. And they definitely don’t want outside intervention. Doctors Without Borders was actually forced to flee Somalia recently because their staff was constantly being threatened and attacked for years on end and it finally got too dangerous to stay.

Somalia: Libertarian paradise.

86 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:20:45am

An International Coalition of countries may actually be asking US to send troops to control Somolia in the future …

What would be our answer?

87 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:21:08am
88 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:21:39am

re: #86 FemNaziBitch

An International Coalition of countries may actually be asking US to send troops to control Somolia in the future …

What would be our answer?

Been there, done that, got the Blackhawk Down.

89 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:21:55am

re: #82 Vicious Babushka

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90 darthstar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:24:09am

Mornin’ everyone…even in the sparsely populated red states, Obamacare’s evil isn’t evident.

91 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:24:14am

re: #82 Vicious Babushka

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This is odd—sending the reporting back to America?

• He said he was willing to destroy a copy of the Snowden material at the Guardian’s office in London because other copies were available abroad.

It was quite explicit. We had to destroy it or give it back to them. What they wanted for us to give it back to them. I explained that there were other copies, not within the UK, and I did not really see the point of destroying one copy. But because we had other copies I was happy to destroy a copy in London.

Officials threatened legal action if the Guardian did not destroy the material. Rusbridger said he could have resisted in the courts, but that this could have taken up to a year and that during this time the Guardian would not have been allowed to write about this material. Instead, he decided to transfer the reporting to America, he said.

92 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:26:56am

re: #88 Vicious Babushka

Been there, done that, got the Blackhawk Down.

ROTFLAMO!!!

93 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:27:47am

This is still hanging out there. So freaking stupid…

94 darthstar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:27:48am
95 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:28:28am

Well, this sucks. Fire/explosion being reported at NWS Earle in NJ. Damage to a warehouse is reported. Ambulances and rescue crews are on the scene.

96 andres  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:29:06am

re: #30 Feline Fearless Leader

Fun stuff. And temp tables sometimes generate really bizarre error codes when they don’t work right. Plus you get to play with tables essentially crossing themselves - just don’t blow up the universe!*

* - imagine all databases as you know it stopping instantaneously and every field in them exploding at the speed of light.

Are you using date/datetime columns?

98 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:30:14am

I’m so freakin’ tired.

99 Lancelot Link  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:30:52am

re: #94 darthstar

Maybe Grayson should stand with some unjustly imprisoned Americans. There’s no shortage of them in Florida.

100 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:31:05am

re: #85 Lidane

You got it. And MSF/DWB doesn’t flee from failed states / conflict zones unless the situation is that dire and their staff is physically threatened. They go where no one else is willing to - to provide services that few do.

101 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:31:47am

“Musharraf indicted for murder of Benazir Bhutto”

Top News: This morning, a Pakistani court indicted seven people for their role in the 2007 assassination of former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto. Among those accused is Pakistan’s former army chief and president, Pervez Musharraf, who was in power at the time of Bhutto’s death.

Musharraf’s lawyer, Afsha Adil, was defiant as she responded to the charges. “The important thing is this: You will have to prove the allegations with evidence,” she told reporters Tuesday. “And still there is no evidence on record…. These are all fabricated cases.” The indictment comes in advance of the publication of a book by Heraldo Muñoz, the Chilean diplomat who led the U.N. investigation of Bhutto’s death, which casts serious doubts on the previous narrative that Bhutto was killed by the Pakistani Taliban. Muñoz suspects Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence played a role and then may have covered up evidence after, though he notes in an excerpt published yesterday that “We will probably never know with full certainty who killed Bhutto. The list of people and groups that considered Bhutto a hated enemy is long.”

Foreign Policy Mag -daily email

102 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:32:16am
103 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:33:55am

re: #93 Gus

This is still hanging out there. So freaking stupid…

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They still don’t name the “Israeli official.”

There are lots of nutball extremists in Israel, some are even in the government.

104 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:35:04am

re: #96 andres

Are you using date/datetime columns?

YES!

105 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:35:29am

re: #103 Vicious Babushka

They still don’t name the “Israeli official.”

There are lots of nutball extremists in Israel, some are even in the government.

Exactly. Knesset? Some mayor? But I know what they’re doing and who they’re playing into.

106 darthstar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:36:02am
107 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:37:29am

Debunking Overpopulation: Why the World Needs More People, Not Less

WHAT?????

108 piratedan  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:38:13am

re: #106 darthstar

just another Mountie Baby looking to experience the Amurrikan Dream

109 Dr. Matt  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:41:22am

re: #106 darthstar

110 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:41:32am

Meet the GOPer Who Thinks HIV Doesn’t Cause AIDS and That Climate Change Is “Beneficial”

It’s not an illusion. They really are getting crazier. It’s getting worse.

111 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:42:37am

re: #107 FemNaziBitch

Debunking Overpopulation: Why the World Needs More People, Not Less

WHAT?????

Even if Plague took 25% of the world’s population … .

112 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:43:00am

re: #107 FemNaziBitch

Debunking Overpopulation: Why the World Needs More People, Not Less

WHAT?????

Haha, their “experts”: bigthink.com

113 b.d.  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:43:21am

I don’t think Cruz can denounce his Canadian citizenship without also doing it in French.

114 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:47:04am
115 Dr. Matt  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:50:04am

Within 60 minutes of President Obama releasing his “long form” BC, the internets declared it was a forgery. It’s amazing that Ted Cruz’s BC hasn’t received the same scrutiny. What gives?

116 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:50:19am

re: #114 NJDhockeyfan

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117 SnowdenBaggerVance  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:50:57am

re: #20 Vicious Babushka

According to Greenwald (and lots of other Snowbagger idiots): if you question Greenwald or don’t accept their narrative, you’re a ‘state worshipper.’

Logical constructs of moron Teabaggers.

118 Dr. Matt  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:52:57am

re: #117 Carlos Diggler

According to Greenwald (and lots of other Snowbagger idiots): if you question Greenwald or don’t accept their narrative, you’re a ‘state worshipper.’

Do we get to pick which state we worship? Does it actually have to be a US state? Can I worship the state of drunkenness?

119 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:54:45am

I still can’t get over this one.

I don’t know whether to laugh, cry, or throw something.

120 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:54:53am

re: #110 FemNaziBitch

Meet the GOPer Who Thinks HIV Doesn’t Cause AIDS and That Climate Change Is “Beneficial”

The latest sign that the Oregon GOP is finished. After kooks like Robinson get finished with the party, they’ll be confined mostly to winning municipal elections in red areas of the state.

121 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:55:42am


Hilarious.

122 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:56:55am

Ed Morrissey… Hot Air… Michelle Malkin…

123 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:58:23am

re: #119 FemNaziBitch

I think that guy should be shown some gay porn showing dudes fucking missionary style. Then he’d know he was wrong, and no longer oppose gay marriage.

124 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:58:35am

“Inevitable abuse of power.” And how many other people went through worse under Schedule 7?

125 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:59:03am
126 SnowdenBaggerVance  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:59:37am

It’s time for the Snowden/Che’ T-Shirts.

127 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 7:59:46am
128 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 8:00:38am

re: #123 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I think that guy should be shown some gay porn showing dudes fucking missionary style. Then he’d know he was wrong, and no longer oppose gay marriage.

If it were only that easy … .

129 SnowdenBaggerVance  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 8:00:53am

MSNBC is going MSFNC.

The world has gone mad.

130 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 8:01:34am

re: #129 Carlos Diggler

MSNBC is going MSFNC.

The world has gone mad.

I thought that too, for a while.

131 Dr. Matt  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 8:03:48am

Awesome. But frightening.

Woman’s Vine Captures Exact Moment Truck Flies Over A Guardrail
deadspin.com

132 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 8:07:14am

“Germany First Country In Europe To Introduce Third Gender On Birth Certificates”

Full story here: queerty.com

133 Lancelot Link  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 8:07:32am

re: #114 NJDhockeyfan

I think it’s pretty ironic that Stone’s whining about the “American Empire” in a nation that still has an Emperor (whose father invaded much of Asia).

134 Dr. Matt  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 8:11:52am

re: #114 NJDhockeyfan

re: #133 Lancelot Link

Stone has been previously vilified by the right as a librul hollywood elitist. It’s going to be interesting to see the RWNJs line up behind their new anti-Obama hero.

135 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 8:12:03am

From the House of Blues, Chicago

136 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 8:15:50am
137 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 8:16:03am

Blue Moon tonite.

138 Lidane  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 8:18:27am

re: #121 Gus

How the fuck is it an abuse of the NSA’s power for the UK to arrest someone?

Anyone? Bueller?

139 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 8:19:23am

re: #93 Gus

Plans within plans, a member within the Israeli Knesset, or even the Cabinet might think that any kind of peace deal can’t work without Egyptian consent/assent, but that doesn’t mean that the Israelis can’t talk with the Palestinians regardless of what happens in Egypt.

I’m not particularly optimistic about the talks in any event - the Palestinians are hardly unified in all this - Hamas and Fatah are barely on speaking terms, and Hamas gains more from the unrest in Egypt than Fatah.

But that the official making these claims hasn’t been identified suggests that he’s in the minority position, or isn’t particularly influential.

140 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 8:19:44am

re: #138 Lidane

How the fuck is it an abuse of the NSA’s power for the UK to arrest someone?

Anyone? Bueller?

Perhaps the documents concerned an UK Entity.

141 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 8:19:51am

re: #138 Lidane

How the fuck is it an abuse of the NSA’s power for the UK to arrest someone?

Anyone? Bueller?

Got me. The Week might be next in my unfollowing. Had to unfollow Jack of Kent this morning. He’s almost mist eyed about Miranda. Seriously had enough with all this Greenwald 24/7 crap.

142 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 8:20:18am

bbl

143 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 8:21:20am
144 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 8:23:49am

re: #143 NJDhockeyfan

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And wikileaks threatening governments and showing no concern for the lives of people who they put in danger is just fine?

145 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 8:24:01am

re: #143 NJDhockeyfan

Citing Russia Today no less, which is hardly a friend of journalistic integrity and is a propaganda mouthpiece of the Russian government.

146 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 8:25:16am

re: #96 andres

Are you using date/datetime columns?

That would be safer. Then if a cataclysm occurs it only destroys the universe back to Jan 1, 1601.
;)

147 EmmaAnne  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 8:26:16am

What is frustrating me the most is the lack of demand for evidence. We are supposed to be the reality based community, but I am seeing endless twitters breathlessly passing along the latest conspiracy rumor as Proven. Fact!

I am naturally skeptical of government and the surveillance apparatus. Just show me that the NSA is listening in on Americans’ conversations or pulling data without warrants. Or even make the case that while they are within the law, the law is too broad and should be changed.

I am naturally inclined to believe that customs officials are officious dicks who overstep their power. Just show me that they did this time and I will be on your side.

But these flat out conclusory statements that I am supposed to believe because they are asserted really loud just don’t do it for me. Especially when someone does show some evidence they usually start to fall apart.

148 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 8:27:01am
149 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 8:27:41am

re: #147 EmmaAnne

You’re going to take all the drama out of this if you don’t get in the right spirit.

150 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 8:28:21am

re: #126 Carlos Diggler

Che? Nope. Cuervo Jones, perhaps.

151 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 8:33:21am

re: #150 lawhawk

Che? Nope. Cuervo Jones, perhaps.

But Jones is not the guy to play basketball against.

152 Lidane  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 8:33:23am
153 EmmaAnne  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 8:33:55am

I am also puzzled by the idea that the U.S. shouldn’t do surveillance at all or keep their methods classified. Yeah the “war on terror” has been used to excuse many excesses in the past and needs careful watching. But there really are terrorist groups out there who want to blow up large numbers of Americans. Are we really not supposed to try to catch them before they succeed? I doubt that it is a happy coincidence that there have been no large-scale attacks within our borders for some time. I think that law enforcements methods - surveillance, infiltrating groups, stopping suspicious people at the border, searching for bomb-making materials - have been used to interrupt a number of attempts.

Perhaps Glenn Greenwald might make that his next leak: Top Ten plot against America stopped by the NSA and law enforcement! Ha, ha; yeah right.

154 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 8:36:34am
155 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 8:40:07am

David Miranda Heathrow detention: No 10 ‘kept abreast of operation’

…He is now taking action to challenge the legality of his detention, and to try to prevent the police from examining the electronic items they seized from him.

His law firm Bindmans have written to the home secretary and Met Police commissioner for assurances “there will be no inspection, copying, disclosure, transfer, distribution or interference, in any way, with our client’s data pending determination of our client’s claim”…

156 Lidane  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 8:40:51am

Because POTUS is going to sign a bill defunding his signature bill. WTF.

157 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 8:42:06am

re: #156 Lidane

It’s that same stunning display of logic that has led the GOP to initiate 40+ attempts to repeal Obamacare. They think that they can succeed while Obama remains in office? That isn’t just illogical, it’s delusional.

158 andres  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 8:46:15am

re: #104 Vicious Babushka

YES!

Sorry for the delay in answering.

At least in MySQL, the function weekofyear gives you a convenient way to get the week. You can use it in a group by.

159 Lidane  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 8:49:12am

re: #157 lawhawk

That isn’t just illogical, it’s delusional.

Which sums up the RWNJ’s and the GOP perfectly. A good portion of this country lost their goddamn minds when Barack Obama got elected in 2008, and they seemingly had a total break with reality when he won again in 2012.

How can anyone think that he’s going to defund his own health care plan? Or that he’s going to keep playing nice with all the repeated GOP fail? He doesn’t have to run for office again. The midterms are next year. He’s in a perfect position to hang government shutdowns and gridlock on the GOP for the next three years.

160 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 8:54:26am

Anything out of Egypt today?

161 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 8:55:54am

re: #160 ProTARDISLiberal

Anything out of Egypt today?

162 Lidane  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 8:59:31am
163 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:01:19am

re: #158 andres

Sorry for the delay in answering.

At least in MySQL, the function weekofyear gives you a convenient way to get the week. You can use it in a group by.

I’m using DATEPART to get the week number, but then sorting by the Datetime. Using SQL Server 2008 here.

164 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:01:39am

re: #161 NJDhockeyfan

And there is a dumb move.

165 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:02:23am
166 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:04:29am

re: #161 NJDhockeyfan

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US quietly suspends military aid to Egypt, but won’t call uprising a coup

Meanwhile, the Gulf states have pledged billions to the country’s new government in a bid to bring back ‘trusted friends’ in the region.”

csmonitor.com

“To those who have announced they are cutting their aid to Egypt, or threatening to do that, [we say that] Arab and Muslim nations are rich … and will not hesitate to help Egypt,” Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal said yesterday in a statement, according to Agence France-Presse.

167 Lidane  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:05:08am
168 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:06:55am
169 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:08:32am
170 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:09:59am

re: #143 NJDhockeyfan

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171 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:10:36am

re: #168 NJDhockeyfan

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Erdogan is a freaking nutcase.

172 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:16:16am

re: #170 Gus

Brazilian officer confirms police involvement in the killing of two journalists in Vale do Aço knightcenter.utexas.edu …
9:34 AM - 20 Aug 2013

Glenn Greewald was unvalailable for comment.

173 Lidane  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:18:36am

AMERICA IZ DOOMED, scary Muslims edition:

174 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:19:05am

re: #171 Gus

Erdogan is a freaking nutcase.

Antisemitism is to Erdogan and his followers what Islamophobia is to our extreme conservatives

175 b.d.  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:19:57am

Has anyone seen Snowden since his “freedom”?

176 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:22:19am

I haz a disappointment in Rachel Maddow. :(

177 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:23:27am

The dudebros are upset…and hysteria reigns.

U.S. had advance notice of Britain’s plan to detain reporter Glenn Greenwald’s partner

washingtonpost.com

One even commented thusly:

“This weekend, I spoke with friends and family about this Snowden matter. My experience is that there is a great deal of fear - at the same time, there is the everpresent - ‘I have nothing to fear because I’ve done nothing wrong….’

“I wonder if this is how those riding to Buchenwald or Treblinka felt this way?”

Jesusfuckingchristonabicycle.

178 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:24:51am

OK how do I report this sick shit to Teh Twitters?

179 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:28:17am

Nevermind, I just blocked it.

180 Lidane  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:29:09am

re: #178 Vicious Babushka

OK how do I report this sick shit to Teh Twitters?

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support.twitter.com

181 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:31:27am

So a dictator needs to start reading people’s emails before sending people to death camps?

“Let’s see. We better read their emails first before rounding up all those “X” people.”

182 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:32:06am

Anne Benghazi Cracka?

Seems legit.
>_>

183 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:32:54am

re: #178 Vicious Babushka

OK how do I report this sick shit to Teh Twitters?

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and why do you feel the need to share shit that you have blocked? Please spare us VB…

184 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:33:44am

re: #181 Gus

So a dictator needs to start reading people’s emails before sending people to death camps?

“Let’s see. We better read their emails first before rounding up all those “X” people.”

Fuck the camps.
Drones.

185 GunstarGreen  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:33:54am

re: #67 FemNaziBitch

(Arkansas)Senate Passes Bill to Ban Certain Tattoos, Body Piercings

You know, because it’s all this ink that causing our problems.

/

See “Small Gub’mint; Party Of”.

186 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:34:41am

Reported.

This has been the worst Fake Quote meltdown ever.

187 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:34:57am

re: #185 GunstarGreen

See “Small Gub’mint; Party Of”.

Seems….Unconstitutional.

188 Lidane  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:35:10am

Heh.

189 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:35:26am

re: #173 Lidane

AMERICA IZ DOOMED, scary Muslims edition:

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Does an Islamic super state come with more kabob? I’ll give Pat and the other nutjobs the same advice that Michael Bluth gave his brother in law though about carrying a tape around and listening to the things you say because man these guys say some hilariously demented shit. Obama’s going to leave office in four years and you know what? I’m still going to enjoy my pork sandwiches and beer. Women are still going to walk around without forced to be wearing hijabs. And Islam won’t be the state religion. And hopefully Pat Robertson will be spending his last years in the loony bin in Staunton.

190 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:36:22am

re: #185 GunstarGreen

See “Small Gub’mint; Party Of”.

Yeah, fuck that. They’ve never been the party of small government despite what they cliam though. They’ve been the party of businesses should be able to do what the hell they want. The individual having rights on the other hand……….

191 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:37:39am

re: #181 Gus

So a dictator needs to start reading people’s emails before sending people to death camps?

“Let’s see. We better read their emails first before rounding up all those “X” people.”

Just like what Stalin used to do before he shipped folks off to GULag.

*headdesk*

PS; if there’s anyone here who really doesn’t know how the Soviet purges operated under Stalin and the various chiefs of the NKVD, I can elaborate on it in another post.

192 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:37:49am

It wasn’t a Fake Quote, it was OBAMA POSED FOR PICTURES WITH CHILDREN, TAHT MEANS HE IS TEH HITLER ANTICHRIST!!11!!!!

193 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:38:29am

re: #188 Lidane

Heh.

White people colonized the world for spices and now they don’t even use them. Enjoy your baked potato and meatloaf, heathens.

They needed the spices to preserve food, did not seem to worry too much about the taste. now everything is frozen, refrigerated, freeze-dried or so soaked in chemicals that it cannot rot…

194 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:38:43am

re: #189 HappyWarrior

Does an Islamic super state come with more kabob? I’ll give Pat and the other nutjobs the same advice that Michael Bluth gave his brother in law though about carrying a tape around and listening to the things you say because man these guys say some hilariously demented shit. Obama’s going to leave office in four years and you know what? I’m still going to enjoy my pork sandwiches and beer. Women are still going to walk around without forced to be wearing hijabs. And Islam won’t be the state religion. And hopefully Pat Robertson will be spending his last years in the loony bin in Staunton.

Kebab will be mandatory in the Caliphate.

YOU WILL EAT IT!!

195 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:39:25am

re: #194 Dr Lizardo

Kebab will be mandatory in the Caliphate.

YOU WILL EAT IT!!

I LOVE SHISHLIK!!!!!

Seasoned with cumin & coriander OH NOM NOM

196 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:39:36am

re: #194 Dr Lizardo

Kebab will be mandatory in the Caliphate.

YOU WILL EAT IT!!

Do I get that awesome spicy spinach and that even more delicious bread because I go Allah Akhbar for good Middle Eastern food.

197 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:40:19am

re: #195 Vicious Babushka

I LOVE SHISHLIK!!!!!

Seasoned with cumin & coriander OH NOM NOM

I can haz beef one????????

198 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:41:10am

I’d remind Pat that though that it’s good old Southern Baptists like him that were why we get blue laws. You know your small dosage of church shariah when I can’t buy whiskey on a Sunday or the fact I have to go to a state operated store to buy it.

199 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:41:16am

LICK MY SHISH!

200 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:41:50am

re: #197 Pavlovian Hive Mind

I can haz beef one????????

ALREADY EATED IT!

Kosher lamb/goat not available in Detroit, have to go to Toronto, NY or LA to enjoy it.

201 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:42:03am

re: #194 Dr Lizardo

I made Lebanese Kafta, Tabouli, Flat bread w/hummus and rice pilaf last week I guess I am just being prepared.

202 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:42:18am

re: #198 HappyWarrior

I’d remind Pat that though that it’s good old Southern Baptists like him that were why we get blue laws. You know your small dosage of church shariah when I can’t buy whiskey on a Sunday or the fact I have to go to a state operated store to buy it.

I can deal with the government licensing and regulation the dispensation of drugs, including alcohol, marijuana and tobacco: they carry side effects that result in costs to the state.

203 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:43:33am

We really need a way to send food through the interwebz.

204 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:43:56am

re: #191 Dr Lizardo

Just like what Stalin used to do before he shipped folks off to GULag.

*headdesk*

PS; if there’s anyone here who really doesn’t know how the Soviet purges operated under Stalin and the various chiefs of the NKVD, I can elaborate on it in another post.

Beware the coming hipster genocide by future Tyrant “X.” It’s gonna happen man just you wait. First they’ll read all Americans’ emails and hard drives and determine who to send to the gulags!

Sound familiar? Who else talks this way?

205 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:44:20am

re: #194 Dr Lizardo

Kebab will be mandatory in the Caliphate.

YOU WILL EAT IT!!

I can haz Caliphate by lunch time?

206 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:44:26am

re: #202 Sol Berdinowitz

I can deal with the government licensing and regulation the dispensation of drugs, including alcohol, marijuana and tobacco: they carry side effects that result in costs to the state.

Just pointing out that the sell of liquor is banned on Sundays in many states because of religious beliefs via people like Robertson. I understand why the state regulates the sell of such products given that alcohol especially does cause many accidents.

207 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:44:35am

re: #203 Pavlovian Hive Mind

We really need a way to send food through the interwebz.

3-D food printers! Just use basic carbon-based compounds as a matrix

208 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:45:16am

re: #203 Pavlovian Hive Mind

We really need a way to send food through the interwebz.

Yeah but if we did, the obesity rate would be even higher but at the same time, I’d be able to diversify my diet even more.

209 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:45:25am

re: #206 HappyWarrior

Just pointing out that the sell of liquor is banned on Sundays in many states because of religious beliefs via people like Robertson. I understand why the state regulates the sell of such products given that alcohol especially does cause many accidents.

Yes, the Blue Laws in Indiana meant that we all had to drive across the border to Illinois or Michigan on Sundays…

210 GunstarGreen  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:46:03am

re: #198 HappyWarrior

I’d remind Pat that though that it’s good old Southern Baptists like him that were why we get blue laws. You know your small dosage of church shariah when I can’t buy whiskey on a Sunday or the fact I have to go to a state operated store to buy it.

It wouldn’t do any good though. Remember the kind of people we’re dealing with here: They have absolutely no problem with a theocracy that enforces religious dogma as law. In fact, that’s their desired end goal. They just have a problem with it being the wrong religion which does so. Their issue with SHARIAH!!!11!1! is that it’s enforcing the laws of the wrong invisible skydad.

211 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:46:05am

re: #209 Sol Berdinowitz

Yes, the Blue Laws in Indiana meant that we all had to drive across the border to Illinois or Michigan on Sundays…

You can’t buy alcohol in Michigan before noon on Sunday.

212 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:46:56am

re: #196 HappyWarrior

Do I get that awesome spicy spinach and that even more delicious bread because I go Allah Akhbar for good Middle Eastern food.

Yes, that comes with it.

Here in my neck of the woods, we only have two kebab shops, one downtown that mostly exists to serve the hordes of drunks on Stodolní Street (a street of endless bars, cafes, and bordellos) and another not too far away from me, that basically serves the neighborhood. They use beef or chicken; the one downtown uses lamb.

213 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:48:54am

re: #194 Dr Lizardo

Kebab will be mandatory in the Caliphate.

YOU WILL EAT IT!!

Which version? Tread carefully. You might get yourself in too deep, and choose poorly.

214 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:49:15am

re: #211 Vicious Babushka

You can’t buy alcohol in Michigan before noon on Sunday.

Which is why we waited until 11am to get in the car…

215 Lidane  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:49:58am

re: #211 Vicious Babushka

You can’t buy alcohol in Michigan before noon on Sunday.

You can’t buy beer and wine in Texas before noon on Sunday.

If you want anything more than that, tough luck. You should’ve hit the liquor store on Saturday.

216 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:50:02am

How about some pictures & recipes?

217 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:51:41am

Germany has rather strict retail laws, you can hardly buy anything on a Sunday except “travel requisites” from a gas station, which, oddly enough, include liquor and beer, snacks, chips, processed food and titty magazines.

218 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:52:11am
219 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:53:20am

re: #218 Vicious Babushka

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4th Amendment violation!!!!!!111111ty

220 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:53:24am

re: #213 lawhawk

Which version? Tread carefully. You might get yourself in too deep, and choose poorly.

Most of the kebab stands/shops here in the Czech Republic are owned and operated by Turks, and typically, it’s Döner Kebab.

It is all halal, however; you’ll see the word ‘halal’ written in Arabic, frequently on the restaurant or the stands’ signage. It looks like this: حلال‎

In Germany or here in the Czech Republic, I’ve yet to encounter a non-halal kebab operation.

221 Lidane  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:53:36am
222 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:53:39am

When I was in Moscow, alcoholic beverages were sold EVERYWHERE! And people just walked in the streets guzzling out of open containers—didn’t even bother to put the bottle in a paper sack, like winos do over here.

223 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:54:28am

re: #218 Vicious Babushka

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“This is police-state stuff. We need to know the American government’s role in these events—and its stance on them—sooner rather than later!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

224 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:54:49am

re: #217 Sol Berdinowitz

Germany has rather strict retail laws, you can hardly buy anything on a Sunday except “travel requisites” from a gas station, which, oddly enough, include liquor and beer, snacks, chips, processed food and titty magazines.

You know, now that you mentioned that, I cannot recall any grocery store being open on Sundays in the year and a half I lived in Kreuzberg.

225 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:55:03am

re: #222 Vicious Babushka

When I was in Moscow, alcoholic beverages were sold EVERYWHERE! And people just walked in the streets guzzling out of open containers—didn’t even bother to put the bottle in a paper sack, like winos do over here.

Yes, you could find alcohol nearly everywhere except in the shops…

226 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:55:11am

re: #217 Sol Berdinowitz

‘Fella could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff.

227 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:55:20am
228 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:56:17am

Face it. They sound like Teabaggers now.

229 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:58:14am

re: #222 Vicious Babushka

When I was in Moscow, alcoholic beverages were sold EVERYWHERE! And people just walked in the streets guzzling out of open containers—didn’t even bother to put the bottle in a paper sack, like winos do over here.

You mean like this? See photo.

Russia’s hangover: How to curtail a serious drinking problem?
New law declares beer an alcoholic beverage rather than food

cbc.ca

230 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:58:34am

Combine Rusbridger’s revelations with news of the detention of Greenwald’s partner David Miranda by UK authorities and you have a DEFCON 2 journalism event.

Derp.

231 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:59:28am

re: #223 Gus

“This is police-state stuff. We need to know the American government’s role in these events—and its stance on them—sooner rather than later!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

Actual quote.

232 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:59:38am

Emphasis mine.

233 Lidane  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:59:43am

Inevitable:

234 darthstar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:59:56am
235 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:00:10am

We have the spectacle of communications between two American journalists-in-exile—reduced to passing information via courier because their government is spying on everything they do online—busted up by the US’s top ally, apparently with no protest from the Obama administration, which was given a heads-up.

236 darthstar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:01:30am

re: #234 darthstar

From the Telegraph article linked above:

Presumably, Miranda was asked - as we all are at security - “have you been asked to carry anything for anyone else?” To which, if he was being honest, he should have replied: “Yes. But I don’t know what it is. Could be to do with a film. Could be highly classified national security files. Can’t be sure.”

237 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:02:15am

re: #235 Gus

We have the spectacle of communications between two American journalists-in-exile—reduced to passing information via courier because their government is spying on everything they do online—busted up by the US’s top ally, apparently with no protest from the Obama administration, which was given a heads-up.

Why would the US interfere in the UK’s stop of a Brazilian?

238 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:03:24am

re: #236 darthstar

From the Telegraph article linked above:

This whole thing reeks of a ploy by GG to gain sympathy for him and his bf and outage against the British security officials. Unfortunately, it seems to be working since most people will probably only read the headline and or listen to the outrage machine without looking at context. Of course, if you look at context, you’re a crock wearing authoritarian or something.

239 Lidane  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:03:28am

re: #237 Justanotherhuman

Why would the US interfere in the UK’s stop of a Brazilian?

Because Fourth Amendment, of course.

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240 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:04:14am

re: #229 Justanotherhuman

You mean like this? See photo.

Russia’s hangover: How to curtail a serious drinking problem?
New law declares beer an alcoholic beverage rather than food

cbc.ca

Just like that.

Also, on the flight from Moscow to Amsterdam, full-size bottles everywhere brought on board in the carryons.

241 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:05:16am

Once again, current events in this century remind me of events from the beginning of the last. Spy agencies and rivals battling behind the scenes. Terrorism. Upheaval and regimes and ways of life torn asunder. Idealists turned terrorists. Idealists that were dupes or duped. And governments trying to make sense of it all while protecting their own interests.

Nothing’s really changed but the names. Even with all the technology it comes down to ideology and worldviews at odds with the facts on the ground.

242 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:05:51am

re: #237 Justanotherhuman

Why would the US interfere in the UK’s stop of a Brazilian?

Because, unicorns?

243 darthstar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:07:11am

re: #235 Gus

We have the spectacle of communications between two American journalists-in-exile—reduced to passing information via courier because their government is spying on everything they do online—busted up by the US’s top ally, apparently with no protest from the Obama administration, which was given a heads-up.

I heard Chuck Todd’s pathetic attempt to ask about the heads-up on the way to work. My favorite part was when he asked if the US was notified before or after Miranda was detained…the WH spokesman said something to the effect of “Before…that’s the definition of heads-up.”

Grab some pine, Chucky.

244 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:07:20am

Greenwald raging about the Dan Hodges article…

245 Lidane  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:07:41am
246 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:07:56am

re: #242 Gus

Because, unicorns?

Hey, come on now, it was a rhetorical question for the lizardry. : )

247 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:08:12am

re: #238 HappyWarrior

Sleight of hand - it’s a misdirection play. Get everyone focused on Miranda and ignore that the facts, the law, and national security are all at odds with Greenwald’s worldview. This is an attempt to try and spin things to his favor.

248 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:08:43am

re: #244 Charles Johnson

Greenwald raging about the Dan Hodges article…

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And, technically, not a relative…not married.

249 darthstar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:09:47am

re: #244 Charles Johnson

Greenwald raging about the Dan Hodges article…

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There were no “claimed denials”…and GG’s doing what GG always does, obfuscating by throwing out red herrings.

250 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:09:48am

re: #245 Lidane

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Yep the right’s all about reason and logic above hysteria and panic. God I hate Demint and the Heritage Foundation. I’ve never seen such a tantrum thrown over a law before. DeMint should be grateful that Obama wasn’t more ambitious on health care reform.

251 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:11:29am

re: #247 lawhawk

Sleight of hand - it’s a misdirection play. Get everyone focused on Miranda and ignore that the facts, the law, and national security are all at odds with Greenwald’s worldview. This is an attempt to try and spin things to his favor.

Pretty much and it seems to rely on the layperson having a misunderstanding of that. It’s fucking sick and as Carlos Danger points out in #4, the most frustrating thing is seeing people whom you thought were intelligent individuals flipping their shit over this and ignoring real violations of people’s rights.

252 Minor_L  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:11:38am

I’ve been reading various things about Greenwald/Guardian/Snowden/Miranda, and it appears that, despite my views on just about everything being “liberal,” I am not actually a liberal because I occasionally question The Great and Powerful Greenwald. Who is, you know, a libertarian.

253 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:12:19am

re: #252 Minor_L

I’ve been reading various things about Greenwald/Guardian/Snowden/Miranda, and it appears that, despite my views on just about everything being “liberal,” I am not actually a liberal because I occasionally question The Great and Powerful Greenwald. Who is, you know, a libertarian.

I’m finding out that I’m a fascist. Truly a shock to me.

254 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:12:41am

re: #252 Minor_L

I’ve been reading various things about Greenwald/Guardian/Snowden/Miranda, and it appears that, despite my views on just about everything being “liberal,” I am not actually a liberal because I occasionally question The Great and Powerful Greenwald. Who is, you know, a libertarian.

He is a journalist, and the product he is selling lately is his own renown.

255 Minor_L  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:13:36am

re: #244 Charles Johnson

Factual errors (even deliberate ones) are only okay when they come from Greenwald.

256 Minor_L  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:15:17am

re: #253 HappyWarrior

That must have come as a shock! But, I too have become aware that I am an authoritarian who places all of my trust in the government and never has concerns about abuse of authority. All because I think Greenwald shouldn’t lie. Go figure.

257 Bulworth  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:15:53am

re: #245 Lidane

Well Obamacare probably is a greater risk to Heritage than a government shutdown. /

258 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:16:07am

re: #240 Vicious Babushka

Just like that.

Also, on the flight from Moscow to Amsterdam, full-size bottles everywhere brought on board in the carryons.

In the Czech Republic, it’s not that radically different. It’s quite legal to drink in public here, and no one uses the brown bag approach either.

When I first came here back in 2001, it was during the summer, so it was warm. I thought, “I’ll get a cold beer” at the local convenience store. Took it up to the counter, paid my 12 Kč for it (about 62 cents for a half liter bottle) and was expecting the cashier to put it in a bag or something.

Instead, she opened it and said, “Nazdravi” - “To your health” - and out I walked with an open bottle of beer in my hand. No brown bag, nothing. I was thinking to myself, “Damn……I hope there’s no cops around” and of course, a beat cop turned the corner. He walked by me, doing nothing, so I thought I’d ask him. Most cops in Prague speak English, so I asked him if it was legal to walk down the street drinking a beer. “Of course!” he said. Then he figured out, “Ah….you must be from America”!

259 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:17:06am

Apparently JFK was going to say this in his speech in Dallas.
There will always be dissident voices heard in the land expresing opposition without alternatives, finding fault but never favor, perceiving gloom on every side, and seeking influence without responsibility.
It’s a quote that immediately brings to mind to me the people left and right who can never find any favor with anything Obama does and people like GG especially who just bitch at the U.S fo having the gall to have a national security policy.

260 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:17:29am

re: #258 Dr Lizardo

In the Czech Republic, it’s not that radically different. It’s quite legal to drink in public here, and no one uses the brown bag approach either.

When I first came here back in 2001, it was during the summer, so it was warm. I thought, “I’ll get a cold beer” at the local convenience store. Took it up to the counter, paid my 12 Kč for it (about 62 cents for a half liter bottle) and was expecting the cashier to put it in a bag or something.

Instead, she opened it and said, “Nazdravi” - “To your health” - and out I walked with an open bottle of beer in my hand. No brown bag, nothing. I was thinking to myself, “Damn……I hope there’s no cops around” and of course, a beat cop turned the corner. He walked by me, doing nothing, so I thought I’d ask him. Most cops in Prague speak English, so I asked him if it was legal to walk down the street drinking a beer. “Of course!” he said. Then he figured out, “Ah….you must be from America”!

I thought you’re not allowed to drink beer.

261 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:18:29am

re: #253 HappyWarrior

It’s shocking to learn that I don’t like it when individuals who have no right to make decisions to undermine national security and reveal classified information, let alone the access to that information, are seen and should be treated as criminals by the very governments whose information was taken and released.

Or that I approve of criminal prosecutions of these individuals.

But it’s hilarious to further see Snowden (or Greenwald’s) fans think that he’s on the same level as the Founding Fathers. Well, not exactly hilarious. Definitely seems that they want revolutionary treatment of national security and information and overthrowing the current paradigm of how governments operate. Also truly delusional if they think that this will achieve those goals, or that the government (any government) will stand idly by and let this happen.

262 Lidane  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:19:14am

re: #256 Minor_L

That must have come as a shock! But, I too have become aware that I am an authoritarian who places all of my trust in the government and never has concerns about abuse of authority. All because I think Greenwald shouldn’t lie. Go figure.

Depending on who’s derping at me, I’m either a naive librul dupe who is living in a delusional fantasy world because POTUS is a commie tyrant or I’m an authoritarian jack-booted Obama thug who has no problem with living in a police state.

WTF ever happened to just being a normal person living in the real world trying to understand the issues?

263 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:20:56am

re: #261 lawhawk

It’s shocking to learn that I don’t like it when individuals who have no right to make decisions to undermine national security and reveal classified information, let alone the access to that information, are seen and should be treated as criminals by the very governments whose information was taken and released.

Or that I approve of criminal prosecutions of these individuals.

But it’s hilarious to further see Snowden (or Greenwald’s) fans think that he’s on the same level as the Founding Fathers. Well, not exactly hilarious. Definitely seems that they want revolutionary treatment of national security and information and overthrowing the current paradigm of how governments operate. Also truly delusional if they think that this will achieve those goals, or that the government (any government) will stand idly by and let this happen.

They’re exactly why I am glad I traded in youthful teenage idealism for mid 20’s pragmatism. I’d be somewhat sympathetic I concede if they had actual solutions but they don’t and they just bitch and bitch. Whether GG, Snowden, etc want to admit it or not, the US has every right to be concerned about terrorist plots and to be vigilant to prevent a second 9/11 from happening.

264 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:21:21am

re: #260 Vicious Babushka

This could be before he converted.

I converted before 21 (20.5 to be exact), so legally, I couldn’t drink. And Alcohol+Autism Meds, or Alcohol+Family History of Alcoholism made me decide when I was 17 to never drink.

265 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:21:28am

re: #260 Vicious Babushka

I thought you’re not allowed to drink beer.

This was in 2001; about 4 years before I converted to Islam. I drink non-alcohol beer now, and there’s a couple of good brands that surprisingly, still taste like beer.

266 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:22:09am

re: #216 Vicious Babushka

How about some pictures & recipes?

Today’s Lunch:

Image: Latke_Sandwich.JPG

267 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:24:06am

re: #262 Lidane

Depending on who’s derping at me, I’m either a naive librul dupe who is living in a delusional fantasy world because POTUS is a commie tyrant or I’m an authoritarian jack-booted Obama thug who has no problem with living in a police state.

WTF ever happened to just being a normal person living in the real world trying to understand the issues?

You’re not actively donating $ to their cause, therefore you are suspect!
//

268 Stoatly  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:24:40am

re: #220 Dr Lizardo

Most of the kebab stands/shops here in the Czech Republic are owned and operated by Turks, and typically, it’s Döner Kebab.

It is all halal, however; you’ll see the word ‘halal’ written in Arabic, frequently on the restaurant or the stands’ signage. It looks like this: حلال‎

In Germany or here in the Czech Republic, I’ve yet to encounter a non-halal kebab operation.

Just about everywhere I’ve been in the world there’s a Turkish kebab place to be found, and usually a good good source of decent cheap food (and often beer too, outside dry countries, despite the حلال‎ness of the meat)

Kebabs have got an image problem in the UK as the preferred food of the inebriated at pub-chucking-out time - but now I’m hungry for Lahmacun and a cold Efes
- which reminds me, we spotted a Turkish cafe not far from the house which I’d not known of before ‘cos it’s a route we don’t normally use - just checked TripAdvisor and it gets great reviews so a visit is in order…

269 darthstar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:27:00am
270 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:27:31am
271 dog philosopher  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:27:38am

re: #262 Lidane

Depending on who’s derping at me, I’m either a naive librul dupe who is living in a delusional fantasy world because POTUS is a commie tyrant or I’m an authoritarian jack-booted Obama thug who has no problem with living in a police state.

WTF ever happened to just being a normal person living in the real world trying to understand the issues?

i object to the divide: greenwald/snowden - will you denounce him or praise him?

really, i’m bored with the whole subject

272 dog philosopher  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:29:02am

Döner Kebab

halal

donner party kebab

NOT ALLOWED

273 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:29:39am

re: #270 Gus

The dumbass bigots congratulating these players make me sad.

Treat those 3 like trash from now on.

274 Lidane  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:29:55am

Completely OT, but this is amazing. The Dallas Mavericks relaunched their website today and it’s gorgeous:

mavs.com

It’s such a clean, intuitive user experience. Say what you want about Mark Cuban and the Mavs, but they did this right. Wow.

275 darthstar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:30:06am

re: #269 darthstar

Not seeing anything on the news wires yet.

276 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:30:12am

Death of father and son in TN due to explosion and fire resulting from the accidental discharge of AR-15.

WBBJ-TV reported on Monday that Tennessee State Bomb and Arson Investigators, the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation and Henderson County Sheriff’s Department were all looking into the Sunday deaths 48-year-old Terry York and his son, Luke.

According to family members, York’s AR-15 rifle accidentally discharged while he was in a back room of their home showing it off to some friends. The discharge ignited a small fire, which “did not seem too threatening at first,” they told WBBJ-TV. The blaze apparently grew out of control after Luke entered the room to help his father put out fire.

That’s when witnesses started hearing explosions.

“It was just like one right after another,” neighbor Kathleen Glass recalled. “One explosion right after another. I just don’t have the words for it because I can not imagine having to go through something like this.”

The family said that York stored a lot of ammunition in the room where the fire started, but officials insisted that they would conduct a full investigation before coming to any conclusions.

“Any loss of life is tragic, when a child looses their life it hit the community hard,” Henderson County Sheriff Brian Duke explained. “There was maybe an accidental discharge of the weapon from there we haven’t really determined how the fire started but that is what State Bomb and Arson officials are looking into.”

277 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:30:45am

re: #270 Gus

Classless. But I don’t have any respect for overpaid jerks anyway.

278 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:31:41am

re: #270 Gus

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It’s their decision ultimately. Personally, I think it’s immature. I’d feel honored if the president of the United States even one whom I disagreed was inviting me because of an accomplishment I was a part of especially one like those guys. There’s always going to be guys that respond like this though.

279 darthstar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:33:39am

re: #275 darthstar

Not seeing anything on the news wires yet.

DECATUR, Ga. - DeKalb County Police have responded to a call of shots fired at the Ronald McNair Discovery Learning Academy on 2nd Avenue.

Skycam images show students running from the rear of building, and police with weapons drawn, facing the front of the building.

No additional details are available.

Several 11Alive News crews are en route to the scene.

Image: 130820012348_mcnairshoot1.jpg

280 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:33:52am

re: #274 Lidane

Completely OT, but this is amazing. The Dallas Mavericks relaunched their website today and it’s gorgeous:

mavs.com

It’s such a clean, intuitive user experience. Say what you want about Mark Cuban and the Mavs, but they did this right. Wow.

I actually have a grudging like for Cuban. I know he’s one of the biggest Ayn Rand fans out there but he does seem to A) care about the product he puts out there for the fans and B) I like that he’s outspoken and speaks his mind. But yeah that’s a pretty website. Props to the programmers.

281 AlexRogan  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:34:09am

re: #277 Justanotherhuman

Classless. But I don’t have any respect for overpaid jerks anyway.

The NFL old-timers (pre-80s) weren’t exactly pulling in a lot of dough, relative to today’s players. Still, while those 3 players were within the rights to decline the WH invitation, their reasoning still shows a lack of class.

282 Kragar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:34:38am

UK: Greenwald’s partner David Miranda had ‘highly sensitive stolen information that would help terrorism’

Amid calls from across the political spectrum for a fuller explanation of the treatment of Miranda at Heathrow after a detailed statement from the White House, the Home Office made clear that his nine-hour detention was fully justified on the grounds that he was carrying leaked documents.

A Home Office spokesperson said: “The government and the police have a duty to protect the public and our national security. If the police believe that an individual is in possession of highly sensitive stolen information that would help terrorism, then they should act and the law provides them with a framework to do that. Those who oppose this sort of action need to think about what they are condoning. This is an ongoing police inquiry so will not comment on the specifics.”

The statement by the Home Office, including a challenge to critics to think about condoning the leaking of sensitive documents, marks a significant change in tone by the government.

Downing Street and the Home Office had declined to answer questions about the detention of Miranda on the grounds that it was an operational police matter.

But in the face of growing criticism across the political spectrum, the Home Office has decided to go on the offensive and offer wholehearted support for the police with some details of the operation that led to the detention of Miranda.

283 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:34:51am

re: #269 darthstar

AJC is reporting a person in custody.

live.ajc.com

284 darthstar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:34:52am

re: #281 AlexRogan

The NFL old-timers (pre-80s) weren’t exactly pulling in a lot of dough, relative to today’s players. Still, while those 3 players were within the rights to decline the WH invitation, their reasoning still shows a lack of class.

Their reasoning shows a gotcha mentality.

285 andres  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:36:22am

re: #163 Vicious Babushka

I’m using DATEPART to get the week number, but then sorting by the Datetime. Using SQL Server 2008 here.

Sounds fine.

I don’t have any experience with SQL Server, sorry.

286 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:37:02am

At least none of them did the old “I don’t think he’s a citizen of this country” crap. I actually lost a lot of respect for Luke Scott when he was an Oriole when he outed himself as a birther. It’s like dude. I can handle if we disagree politically- I’ve had good friends my whole life who share a different world view than I do but do not make your bigotry out there for all of us to see.

287 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:37:10am

re: #268 Stoatly

Just about everywhere I’ve been in the world there’s a Turkish kebab place to be found, and usually a good good source of decent cheap food (and often beer too, outside dry countries, despite the حلال‎ness of the meat)

Kebabs have got an image problem in the UK as the preferred food of the inebriated at pub-chucking-out time - but now I’m hungry for Lahmacun and a cold Efes
- which reminds me, we spotted a Turkish cafe not far from the house which I’d not known of before ‘cos it’s a route we don’t normally use - just checked TripAdvisor and it gets great reviews so a visit is in order…

Kebab is well-known in Germany and the Czech Republic as the chow-down of the hammered as well. The kebab shop in Stodolní Street here is perfectly located to draw all the terminally tipsy, and the shop owners were, no doubt, well aware of this fact when they opened up. On Thursday, Friday, and Saturday nights, there’s a crowd in front of that shop that looks like people waiting to get into an Iron Maiden concert.

The two brothers who own it have to be making a fortune, LOL.

288 darthstar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:37:13am

re: #283 lawhawk

AJC is reporting a person in custody.

live.ajc.com

Good. Hopefully nobody was hurt.

289 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:39:11am

re: #265 Dr Lizardo

This was in 2001; about 4 years before I converted to Islam. I drink non-alcohol beer now, and there’s a couple of good brands that surprisingly, still taste like beer.

I became Orthodox in 1970, so I know what cheeseburgers, shrimp and bacon taste like.

I considered making a geezburger using vegan geez, but I took a look at the ingredients and I’m all like ewwww, I thought vegans were into all natural stuff, but I thought erroneously.

That stuff looked really nasty!

290 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:40:13am

re: #289 Vicious Babushka

I became Orthodox in 1970, so I know what cheeseburgers, shrimp and bacon taste like.

I considered making a geezburger using vegan geez, but I took a look at the ingredients and I’m all like ewwww, I thought vegans were into all natural stuff, but I thought erroneously.

That stuff looked really nasty!

And for the first twenty years or so 3D printer food is gonna be like that as well.

291 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:40:50am

re: #274 Lidane

Completely OT, but this is amazing. The Dallas Mavericks relaunched their website today and it’s gorgeous:

mavs.com

It’s such a clean, intuitive user experience. Say what you want about Mark Cuban and the Mavs, but they did this right. Wow.

That is nice. It reminds me of the Voodoofest web site - wide open and clean.

(The wife and I are considering a NOLA vacation to coincide with Voodoo - Pearl Jam, NIN and The Cure are headlining this year!)

292 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:40:58am

re: #289 Vicious Babushka

I became Orthodox in 1970, so I know what cheeseburgers, shrimp and bacon taste like.

I considered making a geezburger using vegan geez, but I took a look at the ingredients and I’m all like ewwww, I thought vegans were into all natural stuff, but I thought erroneously.

That stuff looked really nasty!

LOL! One time I decided to try that veggie-bacon, out of idle curiosity more than anything else, sometime back in the late 90s. Yeecch.

293 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:41:47am

re: #287 Dr Lizardo

Kebab is well-known in Germany and the Czech Republic as the chow-down of the hammered as well. The kebab shop in Stodolní Street here is perfectly located to draw all the terminally tipsy, and the shop owners were, no doubt, well aware of this fact when they opened up. On Thursday, Friday, and Saturday nights, there’s a crowd in front of that shop that looks like people waiting to get into an Iron Maiden concert.

The two brothers who own it have to be making a fortune, LOL.

Are there any kosher kebab stations and/or restaurants in Prague? We are planning another Euro stopover in late 2014, shortlist is Venice, Prague, London, Paris.

London is too overwhelming for just one day, Paris is meh (just my grandson is going to school there) so it’s really between Venice & Prague.

294 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:42:02am

re: #292 Dr Lizardo

LOL! One time I decided to try that veggie-bacon, out of idle curiosity more than anything else, sometime back in the late 90s. Yeecch.

But if your cook burned the regular bacon all the time it’s harder to tell the difference!
;p

295 Lidane  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:42:18am
296 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:44:20am

re: #295 Lidane

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Did Right Wing Watch merge with the Onion because this is even more hilarious than the time they reported Pat Robertson as saying pie wasn’t delicious. Okay, okay more seriously, this shit gets weirder and weirder every day and it’s why I’m happy to live a life pretty free of organized religion.

297 Lidane  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:45:26am
298 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:47:14am

re: #297 Lidane

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Yeah how terrible that people who work get health care. Find an actual issue to focus on rather than bitching about people getting more affordable health care.

299 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:47:36am

Ron McNair.
I haven’t heard that name in a long time.
Thankfully, it looks like no one was hurt at the school.

300 aagcobb  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:49:05am

re: #298 HappyWarrior

Yeah how terrible that people who work get health care. Find an actual issue to focus on rather than bitching about people getting more affordable health care.

Its either repeal Obamacare or vaginal probes, take your pick.

301 Slap  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:50:59am

re: #289 Vicious Babushka

I became Orthodox in 1970, so I know what cheeseburgers, shrimp and bacon taste like.

I considered making a geezburger using vegan geez, but I took a look at the ingredients and I’m all like ewwww, I thought vegans were into all natural stuff, but I thought erroneously.

That stuff looked really nasty!

Have you encountered These Folks?

We sell through this stuff at a remarkable rate; I’m not a vegan, but I’ve tried some of the products and the cashew-based “cheeses” . Not bad at all. Wife LOVES the dressings.

Worth looking into…!

302 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:51:08am

re: #300 aagcobb

Its either repeal Obamacare or vaginal probes, take your pick.

Ah blackmail, the pride and joy of the right wing.

303 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:51:53am


We’re hungry, and he’s gone and set off the ol’ olfactory nerves. Got the troll meat scent and all…. What’d he expect?

304 darthstar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:52:41am
305 Lidane  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:52:53am

re: #280 HappyWarrior

I actually have a grudging like for Cuban. I know he’s one of the biggest Ayn Rand fans out there but he does seem to A) care about the product he puts out there for the fans and B) I like that he’s outspoken and speaks his mind. But yeah that’s a pretty website. Props to the programmers.

Cuban is one of the few sports owners I actually like. Sure, he’s too much of an Ayn Rand fanboy for my tastes, but the guy is sharp and offers some good business insights.

And yeah, that website is awesome. I don’t even follow basketball and I like it. Clean, intuitive UI and an absolutely effortless user expereince. Every other sports team should take notes.

306 Lidane  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:57:52am
307 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:59:06am

re: #301 Slap

Have you encountered These Folks?

We sell through this stuff at a remarkable rate; I’m not a vegan, but I’ve tried some of the products and the cashew-based “cheeses” . Not bad at all. Wife LOVES the dressings.

Worth looking into…!

Linky no worky.

308 b.d.  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:59:24am

re: #306 Lidane

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He could have demand the name changed to the CruzStonePipeline.
Ruling it coming and going.

309 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:00:23am

Umm…

In an interview with the BBC, Rusbridger said he voluntarily destroyed the hard drives because a legal challenge would have prevented the Guardian from reporting on the documents for up to a year. He said he explained there were multiple copies of the data being destroyed.

310 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:02:59am

re: #297 Lidane

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Hah, tell that twit that Target considered 30 hours ‘full time’. Just so we didn’t hit the 40 hour mark.

312 Dr. Matt  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:05:47am

For fucksake:

313 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:06:04am

re: #311 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Oil Billionaire Weighs In On Wind Turbines: ‘Once They’re There, They Haunt You’

I think this is the definition of first world rich people problems. What a baby.

314 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:06:27am

re: #312 Dr. Matt

For fucksake:

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Arm the school children.//

315 Slap  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:06:33am

re: #307 Vicious Babushka

Ack!

Try this:

theculturedkitchen.net

316 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:06:44am

Heh.

Sue MacDonald * Top Commenter * Miami, Florida
Because when windmills explode/blow/fail, they spew those dangerous….wind atoms….everywhere. Shudder!

317 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:07:02am

Someone emailed me this earlier today.

318 Kragar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:07:17am

How Crayon Drawings Can Tell If There Are Demons In Your Brain

Mungadze claims that based on the colored pencil or crayon a person chooses to color in a picture of a brain, he can tell if they are gay or straight.

He took his “science” to televangelist Benny Hinn’s show This Is Your Day earlier this week, where he also revealed that he can tell if someone is possessed by demons if they choose darker colors on their brain map.

“Everything that I talk about is based on numbers, is based on studies, which is what you do is when you’re a scientist,” he told Hinn, adding that “you can actually see demonization in people’s brains.”

“There’s a certain color that I won’t mention that tells me if someone is demonized,” Mungadze continued, until he ultimately revealed that dark colors such as black, brown and gray are proof of demonic possession.

“I can be in a room with people who are into the occult who are steeped in demonology, I may not know it just by sitting next to them but I let them do that and I can tell what spirit they have,” Mungadze said. “People that come from the occult, people coming from witchcraft usually [choose] blacks and browns and grays.”

319 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:07:34am

re: #312 Dr. Matt

For fucksake:

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FALSE FLAG!! OBAMA HIRED HIM!!

320 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:07:39am

re: #311 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Oil Billionaire Weighs In On Wind Turbines: ‘Once They’re There, They Haunt You’

Donald Trump doesn’t like wind turbines because they mess up his hair.

321 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:08:37am
322 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:11:57am

re: #320 Vicious Babushka

Donald Trump doesn’t like wind turbines because they mess up his hair.

I thought if you slowed down the hum they make it sounds like “om nom nom… Paul is dead.”

323 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:14:11am

re: #321 Gus

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4th AMENDMENTITY!!!111ty

325 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:16:41am

re: #293 Vicious Babushka

Are there any kosher kebab stations and/or restaurants in Prague? We are planning another Euro stopover in late 2014, shortlist is Venice, Prague, London, Paris.

London is too overwhelming for just one day, Paris is meh (just my grandson is going to school there) so it’s really between Venice & Prague.

There are a couple of kosher restaurants in Prague. Please see here: kosherprague.com

326 steve_davis  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:18:24am

re: #12 freetoken

Miguelito Valdes, legendary Cuban signer, with Xavier Cougat.

When I was a lad, I somehow became an owner of a 45 with Xavier Cougat. The man could definitely generate some hot bandstand! Other 45’s that melted during a move to the new house: “He Ain’t no Angel,” “Cherokee People,” “Uncle Albert” (I point out that, as I recall, “Too Many People” was the “B” side of that. Go figure.), and “Hippo Stomp,” all purloined from my older brother’s record collection.

327 Lidane  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:22:32am

re: #314 HappyWarrior

Arm the school children.//

They’re too busy working as janitors for their school lunches.

328 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:24:03am

re: #318 Kragar

How Crayon Drawings Can Tell If There Are Demons In Your Brain

Funny as shit except that it can get you hacked to death with machetes and set on fire.


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