Trump supporter at rally yells “Go to Auschwitz. Go to fucking Auschwitz.” It’s my Twitter mentions in real life.pic.twitter.com/s7uCSjicEt
— Yair Rosenberg (@Yair_Rosenberg) March 13, 2016
Wow. What can I even say about this?
So when do they start handing out the snazzy brown uniforms?
Rubio is losing it.
Rubio does not… look… well… pic.twitter.com/YtLeqsJadg
— Ashley Feinberg (@ashleyfeinberg) March 13, 2016
“Go to Auschwitz” — what a curious way to say “I have economic grievances.” https://t.co/nksM3AhxyN
— Jeet Heer (@HeerJeet) March 13, 2016
This “populist anger” is a cover for the rage these folks have that this country has twice elected a Black man as President.
— Rylo Ken (@Kennymack1971) March 13, 2016
All you can really say is this is the choice the country will be making in November. Not since the 60s has the contrast been this stark.
“The Snake”On her way to work one morning
Down the path along side the lake
A tender hearted woman saw a poor half frozen snake
His pretty colored skin had been all frosted with the dew
“Poor thing,” she cried, “I’ll take you in and I’ll take care of you”
“Take me in tender woman
Take me in, for heaven’s sake
Take me in, tender woman,” sighed the snakeShe wrapped him all cozy in a comforter of silk
And laid him by her fireside with some honey and some milk
She hurried home from work that night and soon as she arrived
She found that pretty snake she’d taken to had bee revived
“Take me in, tender woman
Take me in, for heaven’s sake
Take me in, tender woman,” sighed the snakeShe clutched him to her bosom, “You’re so beautiful,” she cried
“But if I hadn’t brought you in by now you might have died”
She stroked his pretty skin again and kissed and held him tight
Instead of saying thanks, the snake gave her a vicious bite
“Take me in, tender woman
Take me in, for heaven’s sake
Take me in, tender woman,” sighed the snake
“I saved you,” cried the woman
“And you’ve bitten me, but why?
You know your bite is poisonous and now I’m going to die”
“Oh shut up, silly woman,” said the reptile with a grin
“You knew damn well I was a snake before you took me in
“Take me in, tender woman
Take me in, for heaven’s sake
Take me in, tender woman,” sighed the snake
re: #3 Stanley Sea
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As someone who could support Bernie if he’s the nominee, this really should be the final evidence he needs to understand that it’s not all economics.
re: #6 gocart mozart
Retitle it “The Southern Strategy”
And remember folks, this is the nutbar that Sandbaggers keep insisting they’ll vote for if their unicorn doesn’t get the Dem nod. Or say they’re okay with becoming president because they’re convinced he’s “better” than Hillary because “Wall St.”
If I was media-savvy I’d put together two really big interactive infographics like the ones we’ve seen about gun deaths, deaths in WW2, shootings by police, et cetera:
1. A collection of every violent incident captured on social media so far at Trump rallies, in calendar order.
2. A name-and-shame bulletin board of every racist shithead who’s flown their freak flag loud and proud at these events, like our friend above. Let the whole world know who these fucksticks are. Name, hometown, and employer should be noted if publicly available.
The world needs to know who still thinks people should be put in death camps. No more hiding.
As you can see, we were far from what happened and were not involved but he in walked up spraying us pic.twitter.com/f22WB5FAAG
— Chris (@stokith) March 13, 2016
KCPD Police Chief admits that the police “proactively” pepper sprayed an entire crowd of innocent people. pic.twitter.com/X8kEXLI8zs
— TC (@tchop__StL) March 13, 2016
re: #2 Charles Johnson
Rubio is losing it.
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That seems like a genuine, honest reaction from Marco. He seems defeated and resigned to Trump being the nominee - but his “harder and harder every day” makes me have some glimmer of hope that the end of the day, he will do the right thing and come out and denounce Trump when he IS the nominee. Maybe he might actually put Country before party.. I know its a crazy optimistic view, but something seemed really genuine there with Marco - and I say that as a person who doesn’t really like the guy much at all.
re: #12 Stanley Sea
What we have here is a false dichotomy.
If we cede Trump the Sudetenland, he’ll probably just leave us alone, right?
— Merlin Mann (@hotdogsladies) March 13, 2016
Problem is not that #Trump is a racist. The problem is the #GOP has promised they will fall in line and support a racist when nominated.
— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) March 13, 2016
re: #17 Kragar
Why would the GOP have a problem with that?
Trump supporters now tweeting me videos of “Holocaust revisionists” to explain why Auschwitz wasn’t actually so bad https://t.co/TNt0Ols9J8
— Yair Rosenberg (@Yair_Rosenberg) March 13, 2016
An early look at tomorrow’s front page…
‘RACIST’https://t.co/CCWSDaCPVl pic.twitter.com/d6ZZb56vj2— New York Daily News (@NYDailyNews) March 13, 2016
False Flag. George Soros. Saul Alinksy. Hillary Clinton. MLK would hate BLM. Checkmix liberados.
Just in: Very pointed new Bernie Sanders statement responding to Donald Trump on protests. pic.twitter.com/OLZsHAnUMj
— Alex Seitz-Wald (@aseitzwald) March 12, 2016
re: #13 Poligeek
That seems like a genuine, honest reaction from Marco. He seems defeated and resigned to Trump being the nominee - but his “harder and harder every day” makes me have some glimmer of hope that the end of the day, he will do the right thing and come out and denounce Trump when he IS the nominee. Maybe he might actually put Country before party.. I know its a crazy optimistic view, but something seemed really genuine there with Marco - and I say that as a person who doesn’t really like the guy much at all.
Assumes facts not in evidence. Assumes that Rubio wouldn’t go ahead and support Trump. I don’t think any of the other candidates would do anything but support Trump if he’s the GOP nominee.
And now Trump voters are telling people to bring their guns to vote on Tuesday. Be afraid America. pic.twitter.com/zCYfSqQqyF
— Jeremy Scheuch (@jeremyscheuch) March 13, 2016
re: #21 Shimshon
False Flag. George Soros. Saul Alinksy. Hillary Clinton. MLK would hate BLM. Checkmix liberados.
Liberados? I like that.
Thank you Hillary.
It says a lot when a candidate publishes an apology. Not an “I was misunderstood”. This is what presidents do pic.twitter.com/7n8dN2MYEX
— Cory Alpert (@coryalpert) March 13, 2016
When Fascism comes to America the Republican party pledges to support Fascism if Fascism wins the GOP nomination
— Jesse LaGreca (@JesseLaGreca) March 13, 2016
Charles, I noticed that when I hover over the links for the recent and featured pages, the mouse changes to a question mark image. Is that supposed to happen? I noticed it on both windows with IE and Linux with Firefox.
I really hope your account has been hacked. @neiltyson
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) March 13, 2016
re: #23 lawhawk
Oh I’m not disagreeing with you. I just hold out hope that maybe even the worst among us can come to their senses when its ‘go’ time, so to speak.
re: #27 jaunte
They accuse us of diluting racism by calling out actual racism, but they actually diluted fascism by labeling things fascist that had no relation.
If Hannity were to say Trump is a fascist, his audience wouldn’t believe him.
Shit getting seriously crazy now.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) March 13, 2016
re: #9 Targetpractice
And remember folks, this is the nutbar that Sandbaggers keep insisting they’ll vote for if their unicorn doesn’t get the Dem nod. Or say they’re okay with becoming president because they’re convinced he’s “better” than Hillary because “Wall St.”
Worse than Wall Street. She’s a damn criminal.
I’m seeing that more and more out of some on the far left.
The blond combover pompadour is the new square mustache.
re: #28 Belafon
Charles, I noticed that when I hover over the links for the recent and featured pages, the mouse changes to a question mark image. Is that supposed to happen? I noticed it on both windows with IE and Linux with Firefox.
You’re supposed to see a popup message with an excerpt of the text from those Pages. Firefox, why hast thou foresaken me?
re: #35 ObserverArt
Worse than Wall Street. She’s a damn criminal.
I’m seeing that more and more out of some on the far left.
I have seen some BernieBots retweet Branco cartoons. I have my doubt they were ever Democrats.
re: #37 Charles Johnson
You’re supposed to see a popup message with an excerpt of the text from those Pages. Firefox, why hast thou foresaken me?
I didn’t mention that, I do see the popup. I just noticed the image for the mouse. I didn’t know if that was intentional.
re: #13 Poligeek
That seems like a genuine, honest reaction from Marco. He seems defeated and resigned to Trump being the nominee - but his “harder and harder every day” makes me have some glimmer of hope that the end of the day, he will do the right thing and come out and denounce Trump when he IS the nominee. Maybe he might actually put Country before party.. I know its a crazy optimistic view, but something seemed really genuine there with Marco - and I say that as a person who doesn’t really like the guy much at all.
I saw that early this morning. I thought he looked like he was coming down off of his high and sobering up to the whole mess he was involved in.
And I will now silence you, blue egg, with my dreaded block button. TAKE THAT! @JohnSpensieri1
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) March 13, 2016
re: #31 No Depression
I never gave anybody hell. I just told them the truth and they thought it was hell. - Harry Truman
I can imagine how disgusted Harry would be if he was around to see the GOP as it now stands. I’m betting he didn’t think it could get any worse than the McCarthy days.
re: #16 Decatur Deb
Good to see that Officer Pepperspray has found work.
Yeah. A lot of those people were so out of control.
By the way, anyone have a feel for how big TRUMPs numbers are with police unions? I’m thinking they might really really love then some TRUMP.
Ferguson. It wasn’t Great Enough.
I will argue with Bernie supporters, and occasionally call them some some goofy Bernie based name, but I’m not really going to worry about them until after Clinton wins the nomination, if she does. Most of them will vote for the Democrat, at least half of the ones who won’t were probably Republicans, and the rest are PUMAs, and we know what kind of group that was.
I was trying to come up with the name I used recently for Bernie supporters, and came up with a name for those that completely refuse to vote for Clinton: AfterBerners.
re: #37 Charles Johnson
You’re supposed to see a popup message with an excerpt of the text from those Pages. Firefox, why hast thou foresaken me?
I have Firefox, see the popup and the question mark, FWIW.
re: #41 ObserverArt
“I thought he looked like he was coming down off of his high and sobering up to the whole mess he was involved in helped to create.”
I’m getting barraged with right wing loons on Twitter at the moment. I think some wingnut star must have called out the haters.
re: #44 ObserverArt
Yeah. A lot of those people were so out of control.
By the way, anyone have a feel for how big TRUMPs numbers are with police unions? I’m thinking they might really really love then some TRUMP.
Ferguson. It wasn’t Great Enough.
Depends on whether they identify themselves as “police” or “unions”.
re: #26 Stanley Sea
Thank you Hillary.
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Good apology. Not to bury the actual statement in a bunch of thin excuse.
But it will not be enough for some.
re: #16 Decatur Deb
Good to see that Officer Pepperspray has found work.
Yeah, training other officers.
I always know when a wingnut celebrity called out the right wing flying monkey army on me, because my mentions suddenly fill up with derp.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) March 13, 2016
re: #45 Belafon
I will argue with Bernie supporters, and occasionally call them some some goofy Bernie based name, but I’m not really going to worry about them until after Clinton wins the nomination, if she does. Most of them will vote for the Democrat, at least half of the ones who won’t were probably Republicans, and the rest are PUMAs, and we know what kind of group that was.
I was trying to come up with the name I used recently for Bernie supporters, and came up with a name for those that completely refuse to vote for Clinton: AfterBerners.
The more batshit BernieBots were never Democrats to begin with, and will throw away their votes on the Greens or Libertarians.
The guns at the ballot box thing is something that the right-wingers say every year. Don’t let their bullshit intimidate you.
POTUS tells it like it is. Bravo Mr.President!!@Socalimilitia1 @donkeyarguing #tcot #p2 #teaparty pic.twitter.com/0qmaL9dQbB
— Paul McFreid (@I_Am_Here_Still) March 13, 2016
re: #9 Targetpractice
And remember folks, this is the nutbar that Sandbaggers keep insisting they’ll vote for if their unicorn doesn’t get the Dem nod. Or say they’re okay with becoming president because they’re convinced he’s “better” than Hillary because “Wall St.”
Do you believe that this is a common sentiment among Bernie supporters? If so, why?
re: #38 The Vicious Babushka
I have seen some BernieBots retweet Branco cartoons. I have my doubt they were ever Democrats.
This is true. A lot of far left people really do not identify with current Democrats. I see that expressed quite often from the same people.
I like this place but the Bernie supporter bashing is not something I am down with. A lot of Bernie supporters protested Trump yesterday in Chicago.
re: #58 20Hz
I like this place but the Bernie supporter bashing is not something I am down with. A lot of Bernie supporters protested Trump yesterday in Chicago.
There is a difference between legit criticisms of Sanders and the bashing- limited to the “Bernie Bros”
re: #56 philosophus invidius
Do you believe that this is a common sentiment among Bernie supporters? If so, why?
I think it is a common sentiment amongst the more fanatical of his supporters.
Rachel Maddow presents a video timeline of Donald Trump’s comments at rallies that have stoked hostility and incited violence by his supporters against protesters
Montage of Trump encouraging violence hard to watch but explains #TrumpRally https://t.co/Qg4xOyczJF #wiunion #p2 #ctl #wiright #tcot
— Spud Lovr (@SpudLovr) March 12, 2016
re: #26 Stanley Sea
Thank you Hillary.
Her campaign has made too many major mistakes this week. Combined with the major upset loss in Michigan, she needs to start firing some people and get fresh faces in there. The speech about Nancy Reagan and AIDs would have been the last straw if she really wanted to win the primaries. Her campaign is doing a very bad job, only helped by Trump as always taking up the media’s attention.
re: #60 Targetpractice
It would be odd if the most fanatical of his supporters would completely ignore what he actually says and stands for.
re: #62 Shimshon
Her campaign has made too many major mistakes this week. Combined with the major upset loss in Michigan, she needs to start firing some people and get fresh faces in there. The speech about Nancy Reagan and AIDs would have been the last straw if she really wanted to win the primaries. Her campaign is doing a very bad job, only helped by Trump as always taking up the media’s attention.
Que???????
re: #58 20Hz
I like this place but the Bernie supporter bashing is not something I am down with. A lot of Bernie supporters protested Trump yesterday in Chicago.
This is true. And I think most Bernie supporters know and appreciate that he and Clinton voted alike 93% of the time.
But there are areas where he can be jabbed, just like there are areas where Clinton can be jabbed (ahem. AIDS/HIV).
And a lot of us have had experience with supporters who kinda verge into fanaticism…
I wonder if the RNC will be having some “Emergency” meetings this week.
Well, we know who will be crying Tuesday evening…
Boehner endorses Kasich days before primary https://t.co/M5nrFQecQH via @KBieryGolick pic.twitter.com/RcTK4QeIBr
— Enquirer (@Enquirer) March 13, 2016
Instead of trying to mind read the supporters of a candidate you don’t support how about asking them? Or even reasoning with them. The fight against fascism is going to require all of us.
re: #48 Charles Johnson
I’m getting barraged with right wing loons on Twitter at the moment. I think some wingnut star must have called out the haters.
White genocide is the most serious issue facing America today, and anyone denying this is a threat to our future! (I refuse to accept I need to put a sarcasm tag on this most ridiculous comment that sadly so many people would say in total seriousness)
re: #62 Shimshon
Her campaign has made too many major mistakes this week. Combined with the major upset loss in Michigan, she needs to start firing some people and get fresh faces in there. The speech about Nancy Reagan and AIDs would have been the last straw if she really wanted to win the primaries. Her campaign is doing a very bad job, only helped by Trump as always taking up the media’s attention.
Her upset loss in Michigan, where she got the number of delegates she was expected to get? 538 had her losing the state, and getting fewer delegates than Sanders.
What about her blowout win in Mississippi, where she got more than the expected delegates?
re: #68 20Hz
Instead of trying to mind read the supporters of a candidate you don’t support how about asking them? Or even reasoning with them. The fight against fascism is going to require all of us.
We have a few here, darthstar for instance.
I have to find somewhere to lay a bet, that Trump will take Ohio in a landslide …
Boehner endorsement could help a bit in OH—& lays groundwork for Ryan to come out vs. Trump in WI, & for others… https://t.co/1kGsIvAm3i
— Bill Kristol (@BillKristol) March 13, 2016
re: #63 philosophus invidius
It would be odd if the most fanatical of his supporters would completely ignore what he actually says and stands for.
The most fanatical supporters are voting not for the man, but for the ideology they believe he represents.
We are seeing a full blown fascist movement in the US right now. IMO - It is time to organize to shut it down. I think this election is about more than just the candidates now it is about the “soul’ of the United States.
re: #40 The Vicious Babushka
Hillary noticed Trump’s rally technique and calls him an “arsonist”
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And tomorrow TRUMP is going to go on about how “Hillary hit me. I gotta hit her back right?”
I find that everything he says is in some ways tied to violence and expression of dominant power. “She hit me by calling me a misogynist. I hit her back about enabling her husband. I haven’t heard a peep out of them since” Roars the mighty Trump.
re: #68 20Hz
Instead of trying to mind read the supporters of a candidate you don’t support how about asking them? Or even reasoning with them. The fight against fascism is going to require all of us.
While we’re doing 1930’s analogies:
re: #68 20Hz
Instead of trying to mind read the supporters of a candidate you don’t support how about asking them? Or even reasoning with them. The fight against fascism is going to require all of us.
Those individuals that you reference are those whom many of us engage with on a respectful plane. Sure we disagree sometimes. Some that I engage with that won’t listen to reason-i.e. “these are the rules concerning delegates/primary elections”
re: #68 20Hz
Instead of trying to mind read the supporters of a candidate you don’t support how about asking them? Or even reasoning with them. The fight against fascism is going to require all of us.
I tried reasoning with several of them. The most polite told me (effectively) that they would “agree to disagree” with me. The less polite ones accused me of being a Republican, a rich asshole, and of being on the Clinton campaign’s payroll for trying to address his total disconnect from reality.
re: #70 Belafon
Her upset loss in Michigan, where she got the number of delegates she was expected to get? 538 had her losing the state, and getting fewer delegates than Sanders.
What about her blowout win in Mississippi, where she got more than the expected delegates?
It was a public relations loss when all the polling showed her walking away with the win and Sanders taking it instead. That helped the morale of the Sanders camp and her response to this? Flustered responses to everything from “Where was Bernie when I passed health care?” to “Thank you Nancy for your work with AIDS”
If the German people had organized and resisted the rise of National Socialism in the 1930s, history would have been very different.
re: #61 The Vicious Babushka
Rachel Maddow presents a video timeline of Donald Trump’s comments at rallies that have stoked hostility and incited violence by his supporters against protesters
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Sopan Deb was accused of being ISIS at a Las Vegas rally. Sucker punching old man tries to justify by saying the black guy might be ISIS. Trump calls the fence jumper protester ISIS.
He’s laying the fear based plan. His followers are idiots & will execute the plan. Maybe.
Gah, I need a word cloud of his speech tonight. Bet ‘chop off their heads’ is quite biggen.
re: #58 20Hz
I like this place but the Bernie supporter bashing is not something I am down with. A lot of Bernie supporters protested Trump yesterday in Chicago.
Are they willing to vote for Secretary Clinton if she’s the nominee running against Trump? If not I really don’t care about them. Being blunt now. I support Clinton but will gladly vote for Senator Sanders against any Republikkkan.
I’m getting a strong vibe that Sanders’ supporters are willing to have a Trump president if Sanders is not the nominee which makes it plain to me that they really don’t care about the people (minorities, women, LGBT, immigrants, etc.) who are going to get screwed over.
re: #79 Shimshon
It was a public relations loss when all the polling showed her walking away with the win and Sanders taking it instead. That helped the morale of the Sanders camp and her response to this? Flustered responses to everything from “Where was Bernie when I passed health care?” to “Thank you Nancy for your work with AIDS”
It’s a loss that is unlikely to be repeated going forward, as most of the big win states coming up are closed primaries that require party registration. So that should limit the ratfking.
re: #67 FormerDirtDart
Well, we know who will be crying Tuesday evening…
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Two times today he’s in the news. Mowing his lawn & this.
Seriously, I will respect the fuck out of the GOP if they go full bore against drumpf.
re: #78 Targetpractice
I tried reasoning with several of them. The most polite told me (effectively) that they would “agree to disagree” with me. The less polite ones accused me of being a Republican, a rich asshole, and of being on the Clinton campaign’s payroll for trying to address his total disconnect from reality.
Well you know there are a lot of young first-time voters first-time voters this year. I think there are a lot of Bernie supporters who are about 18 years old and full of piss and vinegar.
I just try to remember how I was when I was 18 - 26 and the stupid shit I said in anger. Thankfully the internet was not around then!
re: #68 20Hz
Instead of trying to mind read the supporters of a candidate you don’t support how about asking them? Or even reasoning with them. The fight against fascism is going to require all of us.
AGREED.
re: #79 Shimshon
It was a public relations loss when all the polling showed her walking away with the win and Sanders taking it instead. That helped the morale of the Sanders camp and her response to this? Flustered responses to everything from “Where was Bernie when I passed health care?” to “Thank you Nancy for your work with AIDS”
Address the second paragraph. Because, “she lost Michigan but gained in the delegate count and therefore lost the day to Sanders” just doesn’t fly.
re: #58 20Hz
I like this place but the Bernie supporter bashing is not something I am down with. A lot of Bernie supporters protested Trump yesterday in Chicago.
Is commenting on something Bernie supporters actually say a bash?
What about my just saying many do not identify with Democrats and are as independent as Bernie has been until he decided to run for president?
Yeah, not so much ISIS. https://t.co/8kxk6CMjBO pic.twitter.com/XQydf8e2Sd
— andrew kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) March 13, 2016
re: #80 Charles Johnson
If the German people had organized and resisted the rise of National Socialism in the 1930s, history would have been very different.
Yes, but before the resistance comes the organization. The Dems and semi-Dems need to get their heads on straight before they blow a solid win.
re: #85 20Hz
Well you know there are a lot of young first-time voters first-time voters this year. I think there are a lot of Bernie supporters who are about 18 years old and full of piss and vinegar.
I just try to remember how I was when I was 18 - 26 and the stupid shit I said in anger. Thankfully the internet was not around then!
That’s why, as I said above, I’m not really going to worry until after the nomination. If Clinton wins, and they’re saying crap a month after, then I’ll have to start figuring out how to slap people virtually upside the head.
re: #85 20Hz
Well you know there are a lot of young first-time voters first-time voters this year. I think there are a lot of Bernie supporters who are about 18 years old and full of piss and vinegar.
I just try to remember how I was when I was 18 - 26 and the stupid shit I said in anger. Thankfully the internet was not around then!
I might have thought that if the most fanatical I’d met hadn’t been an old white guy.
Douchebag says what?
Trump says the chaos in Chicago was a planned attack. But Hillary insists it was a spontaneous reaction to an internet video.
— Gov. Mike Huckabee (@GovMikeHuckabee) March 12, 2016
Cruz took Wyoming earlier, and now this…
BREAKING: Marco Rubio wins Republican presidential caucuses in Washington D.C. @AP race call at 10:02 p.m. EST. #Election2016 #APracecall
— AP Politics (@AP_Politics) March 13, 2016
Wow I just watched Rachel Maddow’s montage of Trump incitements leading up to Chicago, his cancellation leading to thousands of angry supporters milling around at peak rage.
Chilling. Utterly chilling.
@realDonaldTrump You’re such a liar Donny.
— gocart mozart (@gocartmozart1) March 13, 2016
re: #34 jaunte
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Though to be fair to Jonah Goldberg he hasn’t ever been a Trump supporter and is actively working against Trump now.
re: #80 Charles Johnson
If the German people had organized and resisted the rise of National Socialism in the 1930s, history would have been very different.
You know you just opened yourself up to the people that will say there was only one Hitler and it is lazy to compare anyone to him.
Not that I think you will care!
re: #94 FormerDirtDart
Cruz took Wyoming earlier, and now this…
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Rubio 1,059 votes (10 delegates), Kasich 1,009 votes (9 delegates), Trumpy Dumpy 391 votes (bupkis), Cruz 351 votes (nada).
re: #98 Dark_Falcon
It’s a shame his house is on fire, but he was one of the people playing with matches and gasoline.
re: #1 Targetpractice
So when do they start handing out the snazzy brown uniforms?
Indeed.
Meanwhile, over at The American Conservative, Dreher continues to show us all why he lovingly cites white separatist Steve Sailor while expressing his fear of the (liberal black urban) “mob”…
Getting the Chicago news, though, gives me a strongly pro-Trump feeling. These left-wing demonstrators tried to shut down an American presidential candidate’s speech during the campaign — and they succeeded, through an implicit threat of violence. …What happened tonight in Chicago is why we need Trump, as obnoxious as he is, to keep going. I am not a Trump supporter, and I reject much of his rhetoric. But he has a right to give a speech…Trump is revealing how impossible it is to have a normal democracy with the activist left, who think their crying need for “safe spaces” gives them the right to silence their opponents.
Rod Dreher is openly cheering for a fascist candidate, because BLM and some college kids have scared him. He has been more or less open in his reactionary authoritarian principles, but this is a revelation.
Lizards, this is today’s object lesson on how it happened in Germany. People who hated “leftists” were perfectly willing to let the brownshirts clear the streets in the name of law and order, even when the brownshirts caused most of the violence in the first place. All we need now is a Reichstag fire.
Yes, I am terrified of what I am seeing right now.
re: #83 Targetpractice
It’s a loss that is unlikely to be repeated going forward, as most of the big win states coming up are closed primaries that require party registration. So that should limit the ratfking.
It’s a loss that shows the campaign is not doing a good job appealing to voters while relying on Hillary’s connections to lock up Super Delegates. That is not how you energize your Democratic base and prepare for the upcoming general election.
re: #87 Belafon
Address the second paragraph. Because, “she lost Michigan but gained in the delegate count and therefore lost the day to Sanders” just doesn’t fly.
Her campaign is failing to win over voters in important states, her mistakes are very big errors not small gaffs, she needs new campaign staff very fast if she wants to start picking up voters to help her win the general. Superdelegates do not win you an election getting the most voters does.
re: #82 Patricia Kayden
Are they willing to vote for Secretary Clinton if she’s the nominee running against Trump? If not I really don’t care about them. Being blunt now. I support Clinton but will gladly vote for Senator Sanders against any Republikkkan.
I’m getting a strong vibe that Sanders’ supporters are willing to have a Trump president if Sanders is not the nominee which makes it plain to me that they really don’t care about the people (minorities, women, LGBT, immigrants, etc.) who are going to get screwed over.
I went to one of the first Bernie rallies this summer - Portland. It was awesome. I’d vote for him in a second. I just prefer Hillary.
We will join up. I hope to hell that the people that hate Hillary so irrationally will join up too.
re: #92 Targetpractice
I might have thought that if the most fanatical I’d met hadn’t been an old white guy.
That is one wacko. There are Hillary people out there that are sort of out there too.
Example:
.@WritesonCULTURE#HistoryByHillary
Soviet Economist:
Bernie Is A
Marxist/Leninisthttps://t.co/6lJ3Wizmgu pic.twitter.com/ion6861xXv— HunterHRC2016 (@HunterHRC2016) March 13, 2016
re: #98 Dark_Falcon
Though to be fair to Jonah Goldberg he hasn’t ever been a Trump supporter and is actively working against Trump now.
My point though is that the right HAS diluted the meaning of the term fascism. Someone says Trump has fascist tendencies that were seen in Hitler, and people on the right think all they have to say is that he’s never been a Nazi, as if that’s all it takes to be a fascist.
re: #103 Shimshon
It’s a loss that shows the campaign is not doing a good job appealing to voters while relying on Hillary’s connections to lock up Super Delegates. That is not how you energize your Democratic base and prepare for the upcoming general election.
Her campaign is failing to win over voters in important states, her mistakes are very big errors not small gaffs, she needs new campaign staff very fast if she wants to start picking up voters to help her win the general. Superdelegates do not win you an election getting the most voters does.
Hillary has received 1,646,482 votes more than Sanders as of this morning. Do you doubt that this margin will have increased in three days?
Jonah Goldberg plays dumb about “Birthers” and “Truthers”
mediamatters.org
re: #80 Charles Johnson
If the German people had organized and resisted the rise of National Socialism in the 1930s, history would have been very different.
The problem was that Germany’s economic crisis was beyond the capacity of the mainstream parties to solve and the SA’s main opposition in the streets were the Communists, and they scared middle-class Germans far more than Hitler. Which is understandable, since non-Jewish middle-class Germans were not on the Nazis ‘kill list’ but were on the Communists’ ‘kill or dispossess list’.
re: #103 Shimshon
Her campaign is failing to win over voters in important states
I was hoping you would go there.
Please explain how her winning those states, the same ones that helped propel Obama to the nomination, will somehow hurt her. Please also explain to all the people living in those states, like I do in Texas, why our votes don’t count as much.
re: #100 Brian J.
Rubio 1,059 votes (10 delegates), Kasich 1,009 votes (9 delegates), Trumpy Dumpy 391 votes (bupkis), Cruz 351 votes (nada).
A little surprised AP is calling the contest, only 60% results in, and only 50 votes separating Rubio and Kasich
re: #105 20Hz
That is one wacko. There are Hillary people out there that are sort of out there too.
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HunterHRC is not a Hillary supporter, it’s a troll. Just look at its timeline.
re: #111 FormerDirtDart
A little surprised AP is calling the contest, only 60% results in, and only 50 votes separating Rubio and Kasich
Where do you get that?
re: #103 Shimshon
Her campaign is failing to win over voters in important states, .
This is a statement that is not true. Of the likely swing states, I believe Clinton and Sanders have or will split them roughly in two.
I’m ignoring the possible connotation that Southern states are not important.
re: #109 Dark_Falcon
The problem was that Germany’s economic crisis was beyond the capacity of the mainstream parties to solve and the SA’s main opposition in the streets were the Communists, and they scared middle-class Germans far more than Hitler. Which is understandable, since non-Jewish middle-class Germans were not on the Nazis ‘kill list’ but were on the Communists’ ‘kill or dispossess list’.
Hitler and his cronies were far from inevitable, and the Weimar Republic could have marginalized them.
re: #113 The Vicious Babushka
HunterHRC is not a Hillary supporter, it’s a troll. Just look at its timeline.
If a Hillary supporter steps foot on this site claiming that if it’s not Clinton they won’t vote or will vote for Clinton Trump, they’ll be happy I can’t reach them through the Internet.
Edit: Fixed
re: #111 FormerDirtDart
A little surprised AP is calling the contest, only 60% results in, and only 50 votes separating Rubio and Kasich
Sorry, link didn’t work, but the AP says 100% of the vote is in.
re: #116 Aunty Entity Dragon
Hitler and his cronies were far from inevitable, and the Weimar Republic could have marginalized them.
If my history is correct, Hitler didn’t win, he was appointed.
re: #110 Belafon
I was hoping you would go there.
Please explain how her winning those states, the same ones that helped propel Obama to the nomination, will somehow hurt her. Please also explain to all the people living in those states, like I do in Texas, why our votes don’t count as much.
No shit, I live in Virginia, a state that Obama counted on twice to put him in the White House. How is that state somehow less important than Vermont or New Hampshire?
re: #105 20Hz
That is one wacko. There are Hillary people out there that are sort of out there too.
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That’s a big FAIL even if one thinks Sanders a commie, since he is far more internationalist than the North Korean regime, which has always been isolationist and most concerned with purity, both racial and political.
re: #117 Belafon
If a Hillary supporter steps foot on this site claiming that if it’s not Clinton they won’t vote or will vote for Clinton, they’ll be happy I can’t reach them through the Internet.
Probable typo last sentence.
re: #117 Belafon
If a Hillary supporter steps foot on this site claiming that if it’s not Clinton they won’t vote or will vote for Clinton, they’ll be happy I can’t reach them through the Internet.
On the Internet, you have “Hillary Supporters” who are not really Hillary Supporters, “Bernie Supporters” who are not really Bernie Supporters, and Trump Supporters who maintain the “Hillary” and “Bernie” support accounts.
re: #114 Brian J.
Where do you get that?
From both CNN and NBC’s tracking boards, but they both just jumped to 97% without a change in total votes…
re: #103 Shimshon
It’s a loss that shows the campaign is not doing a good job appealing to voters while relying on Hillary’s connections to lock up Super Delegates. That is not how you energize your Democratic base and prepare for the upcoming general election.
Her campaign is failing to win over voters in important states, her mistakes are very big errors not small gaffs, she needs new campaign staff very fast if she wants to start picking up voters to help her win the general. Superdelegates do not win you an election getting the most voters does.
#1- Why the comment about Super Delegates?
#2- The Democratic base covers a variety of individuals, some of whom support Clinton 3-1 or better.
#3- What “Important” states has she not won over Democratic voters in?
re: #90 Decatur Deb
Yes, but before the resistance comes the organization. The Dems and semi-Dems need to get their heads on straight before they blow a solid win.
I’ve noticed that you did not seem to enjoy yesterday’s protests, especially the one in Chigago. I didn’t get a chance to respond.
I take that overall your feeling was they should not have gotten into any kind of an attack with the Trump people, it makes them a part of the violence.
Further it blows the thinking of people like Gandhi and King that you are peaceful and if there are attacks it is against you and puts your protest target in the worse light.
re: #120 Targetpractice
No shit, I live in Virginia, a state that Obama counted on twice to put him in the White House. How is that state somehow less important than Vermont or New Hampshire?
And for the peanut gallery, Hillary mashed Bernie in the Old Dominion by 29 percentage points. Even in Appalachia, Hillary carried most of the counties and towns. Virginia matched the national vote nearly exactly in 2012.
re: #105 20Hz
That is one wacko. There are Hillary people out there that are sort of out there too.
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People are engaged! Ya, sucks.
Edit, it was a troll! Thanks VB.
re: #123 The Vicious Babushka
On the Internet, you have “Hillary Supporters” who are not really Hillary Supporters, “Bernie Supporters” who are not really Bernie Supporters, and Trump Supporters who maintain the “Hillary” and “Bernie” support accounts.
And 14 year old FBI agents.
re: #113 The Vicious Babushka
HunterHRC is not a Hillary supporter, it’s a troll. Just look at its timeline.
Sure I will buy that. I agree.
How about applying the same skepticism to Bernie supporters online?
re: #125 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs
#1- Why the comment about Super Delegates?
#2- The Democratic base covers a variety of individuals, some of whom support Clinton 3-1 or better.
#3- What “Important” states has she not won over Democratic voters in?
Indeed, she won Democratic voters in Michigan (according to the exit poll) by 16 percentage points. Makes you wonder what kind of Democrat wins a Democratic primary by leaning so hard on non-Democrats.
re: #116 Aunty Entity Dragon
Hitler and his cronies were far from inevitable, and the Weimar Republic could have marginalized them.
True, but the will wasn’t there, since it would have involved a good deal of violence and would have had an uncertain end. And its important to remember that the German political mainstream was shot through with its own divisions over policy and the best courses of action.
re: #131 20Hz
Sure I will buy that. I agree.
How about applying the same skepticism to Bernie supporters online?
There are a lot of “Bernie Supporters” online who are not Democrats and some of them spam the same wingnut memes as the Trump supporters.
re: #126 ObserverArt
I’ve noticed that you did not seem to enjoy yesterday’s protests, especially the one in Chigago. I didn’t get a chance to respond.
I take that overall your felling was they should not have gotten into any kind of an attack with the Trump people, it makes them a part of the violence.
Further it blows the thinking of people like Gandhi and King that you are peaceful and if there are attacks it is against you and puts your protest target in the worse light.
Powerless groups take street action when other means of redress are closed to them. We are going to vote this idiot down in 8 months, unless we hand him the middle ground.
re: #131 20Hz
Sure I will buy that. I agree.
How about applying the same skepticism to Bernie supporters online?
You’ve only been here(registered) for a short amount of time. Folks here have a very good troll radar. In general, doesn’t take long for us to tell the real from the fake.
re: #131 20Hz
Sure I will buy that. I agree.
How about applying the same skepticism to Bernie supporters online?
You mean the more fanatical are all trolls. Well hey, I’m willing to believe that. Though I consider it to reflect poorly upon the “revolution” that it’s leading advocates are all playing us for suckers.
re: #123 The Vicious Babushka
On the Internet, you have “Hillary Supporters” who are not really Hillary Supporters, “Bernie Supporters” who are not really Bernie Supporters, and Trump Supporters who maintain the “Hillary” and “Bernie” support accounts.
Yes! That is why I personally do not draw conclusions about any given candidates supporters online. If one of my friends in meatspace said “I will never vote for Hillary” or “I will vote for Trump”. I would have a good long talk with them!
re: #132 Brian J.
Indeed, she won Democratic voters in Michigan (according to the exit poll) by 16 percentage points. Makes you wonder what kind of Democrat wins a Democratic primary by leaning so hard on non-Democrats.
Now, to be fair, that’s not really a problem if a candidate can consistently draw in non traditional supporter under their banner (or voters who would normally wouldn’t vote or vote for the other side).
But my critique is that it seems all ad hoc, and there’s no real plan to make a leftward move persist beyond the Sanders candidacy.
re: #105 20Hz
That is very obviously a troll account.
re: #95 The Vicious Babushka
Wow I just watched Rachel Maddow’s montage of Trump incitements leading up to Chicago, his cancellation leading to thousands of angry supporters milling around at peak rage.
Chilling. Utterly chilling.
Trump fans on reddit are in full spin mode. I find it so hilarious they have to put tags for each article submitted basically telling them how to feel (high energy! Cucks stumped! Pathetic! ) and blaming boogiemen Soros and even finding a Soviet flag.
But the best one is they’re calling the protesters fascist and racist while using language to describe protesters as “ANIMALS!” They dehumanize their opponents as they call their opponents fascist, thugs, and now proudly calling themselves nationalists vs globalists, how are they this naive?
They still use the word cuck and fail to get it’s a racist comment about black males thought of as animals. These kids, their insanity is fed by echo chambers on the internet.
re: #139 gwangung
Now, to be fair, that’s not really a problem if a candidate can consistently draw in non traditional supporter under their banner (or voters who would normally wouldn’t vote or vote for the other side).
But my critique is that it seems all ad hoc, and there’s no real plan to make a leftward move persist beyond the Sanders candidacy.
Agreed. No attempt to recruit candidates who share his views, no attempt to start any organization like Dean for America, no attempt to broaden the campaign’s demographics. $150 miilion and counting that would have been better spent on nearly anything else.
re: #107 Brian J.
Hillary has received 1,646,482 votes more than Sanders as of this morning. Do you doubt that this margin will have increased in three days?
The general election isn’t won by a popularity contest, compare votes in the swing states Hillary and Bernie are split.
re: #119 Belafon
If my history is correct, Hitler didn’t win, he was appointed.
Sort of. Both the Communists and the Nazis had substantial pluralities before the 1932 elections, and none of the center right or center left parties could or would cooperate to sideline the extremists (or simply feared the communists more than the Nazis)
After 1932, all bets were off:
Wikipedia..
At the July 1932 Elections, the Nazis became the largest party in the Reichstag and Hitler withdrew support for Papen, and demanded the Chancellorship. He was refused by Hindenburg.[47] Papen dissolved Parliament, and the Nazi vote declined at the November Election.[48] In the aftermath of the election, Papen proposed ruling by decree while drafting a new electoral system, with an upper house. Schleicher convinced Hindenburg to sack Papen, and Schleicher himself became Chancellor, promising to form a workable coalition.[49]
The aggrieved Papen opened negotiations with Hitler, proposing a Nazi-Nationalist Coalition. Having nearly outmaneuvered Hitler, only to be trounced by Schleicher, Papen turned his attentions on defeating Schleicher, and concluded an agreement with Hitler.[50]
re: #141 Shimshon
Trump fans on reddit are in full spin mode. I find it so hilarious they have to put tags for each article submitted basically telling them how to feel (high energy! Cucks stumped! Pathetic! ) and blaming boogiemen Soros and even finding a Soviet flag.
But the best one is they’re calling the protesters fascist and racist while using language to describe protesters as “ANIMALS!” They dehumanize their opponents as they call their opponents fascist, thugs, and now proudly calling themselves nationalists vs globalists, how are they this naive?
They still use the word cuck and fail to get it’s a racist comment about black males thought of as animals. These kids, their insanity is fed by echo chambers on the internet.
If we tried to show them US propaganda from WW2 that dehumanized the Japanese in order to make it easier for us to attack them, which lead to the camps for Japanese-American citizens, they’d think it was a good idea.
I think it’s high time to really start making the R no longer mean Republican but what it now has truly manifested itself in the form of Donald Trump’s probable rise to the GOP nomination truly mean.
The Racist Party.
Notice the total radio silence from Sowell, Steele and his travelers-they’re too busy throwing the baby out with the bathwater and Dr. Sleepy’s cynical endorsement to stay in the public view lays bare his griftng bonafides.
The GOP tried to stop me from voting in 2008-if it wasn’t for the Obama’s campaign incredibly quick intervention the GOP would have disenfranchised me from my sacred duty.
(rant on)
Sorry Dark, but YOUR PARTY TRIED TO TAKE MY RIGHT TO VOTE AWAY. For that, the GOP has duly earned my emnity.
(rant off)
re: #143 Shimshon
The general election isn’t won by a popularity contest, compare votes in the swing states Hillary and Bernie are split.
Don’t compare the parties primary to the general election.
re: #143 Shimshon
The general election isn’t won by a popularity contest, compare votes in the swing states Hillary and Bernie are split.
You win the general election by winning votes. Hillary’s done a much better job of that than Bernie has. There’s no reason to expect that to change.
re: #119 Belafon
If my history is correct, Hitler didn’t win, he was appointed.
You are 100% correct and how that came about is a lot more complicated than can be explained here.
re: #110 Belafon
I was hoping you would go there.
Please explain how her winning those states, the same ones that helped propel Obama to the nomination, will somehow hurt her. Please also explain to all the people living in those states, like I do in Texas, why our votes don’t count as much.
I don’t understand your argument. You go from admitting the majority of voters went for Sanders in many important battleground states, and Hillary relied on Superdelegates to come out ahead… but think because she won Superdelegates that means come the general she will automatically win a majority of votes?
re: #140 Charles Johnson
That is very obviously a troll account.
I see that now. Not a very good one! It appears that they are not very good at it - not many people taking the bait.
Actual moderated comment at Dreher’s place…
Ron Longero says:
March 12, 2016 at 8:06 pmI am not aware of anytime that Trump has told people to beat up people.
re: #144 Aunty Entity Dragon
Thanks. So, a proportional government won’t exactly keep governments from going bad. And, to paraphrase Heinlein, the only reason it hasn’t happened here is because it hasn’t happened yet.
re: #145 Belafon
If we tried to show them US propaganda from WW2 that dehumanized the Japanese in order to make it easier for us to attack them, which lead to the camps for Japanese-American citizens, they’d think it was a good idea.
Insert Michelle Malkin’s book justifying Japanese Internment here tag
re: #144 Aunty Entity Dragon
Sort of. Both the Communists and the Nazis had substantial pluralities before the 1932 elections, and none of the center right or center left parties could or would cooperate to sideline the extremists (or simply feared the communists more than the Nazis)
After 1932, all bets were off:
Wikipedia..
After the July and then November 1932 elections, it was mathematically impossible to form a government without the Nazis or the Communists. Those two parties won over 50 percent of the vote between them. The choice to back the extremist who didn’t have a major foreign power funding his operation seemed the lesser of two evils.
re: #141 Shimshon
Trump fans on reddit are in full spin mode. I find it so hilarious they have to put tags for each article submitted basically telling them how to feel (high energy! Cucks stumped! Pathetic! ) and blaming boogiemen Soros and even finding a Soviet flag.
But the best one is they’re calling the protesters fascist and racist while using language to describe protesters as “ANIMALS!” They dehumanize their opponents as they call their opponents fascist, thugs, and now proudly calling themselves nationalists vs globalists, how are they this naive?
They still use the word cuck and fail to get it’s a racist comment about black males thought of as animals. These kids, their insanity is fed by echo chambers on the internet.
They understand what ‘cuck’ means within the context that they use it: They mean that so-called “cuckservatives”, by failing to take action to stop Obama and act against the supposed Violent Black Crime Trend racists caterwaul about, are leaving their lady America to be taken and fucked by black men.
It’s sick, untrue, and depraved, but they know in what context they fling their insults.
re: #150 Shimshon
I don’t understand your argument. You go from admitting the majority of voters went for Sanders in many important battleground states, and Hillary relied on Superdelegates to come out ahead… but think because she won Superdelegates that means come the general she will automatically win a majority of votes?
Which “battleground” states did Sanders get more votes than Clinton, other than Michigan? And not counting caucus states.
re: #157 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs
Which “battleground” states did Sanders get more votes than Clinton, other than Michigan? And not counting caucus states.
Those perennial battlegrounds of Oklahoma and Vermont come to mind…
re: #133 Dark_Falcon
True, but the will wasn’t there, since it would have involved a good deal of violence and would have had an uncertain end. And its important to remember that the German political mainstream was shot through with its own divisions over policy and the best courses of action.
Hmm. Should we be willing to take that chance? I vote yea.
re: #135 Decatur Deb
Powerless groups take street action when other means of redress are closed to them. We are going to vote this idiot down in 8 months, unless we hand him the middle ground.
Too many people don’t feel their vote counts so they take to the street. They do not feel a part of the process and disconnect from it.
Plus, there is feeling they are actualy doing something by contesting others they oppose where they do not see anything in a voting booth and there is not that rush of excitement that a good min-riot can give a daredevil crowd that enjoys reality TV, extreme games and unlimited cage fights.
Different times.
re: #147 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs
Don’t compare the parties primary to the general election.
I’m explaining that Hillary’s campaign is making big mistakes, and not taking the majority of Democratic votes in important states. Her errors like what I listed before are from a campaign that is falling flat she needs to shake things up and get better speech writers and campaigners.
re: #150 Shimshon
I don’t understand your argument. You go from admitting the majority of voters went for Sanders in many important battleground states, and Hillary relied on Superdelegates to come out ahead… but think because she won Superdelegates that means come the general she will automatically win a majority of votes?
Hillary is not ahead due to superdelegates:
She’s winning the popular vote count and the delegate count.
Camper Van Beethoven “Take The Skinheads Bowling”
re: #146 Eric The Fruit Bat
Who tried to take your right to vote away and on what grounds?
re: #158 Brian J.
Those perennial battlegrounds of Oklahoma and Vermont come to mind…
Breaking…
Massachusetts now a Red State
Oklahoma now a Blue State
Huge if true… https://t.co/gVWhVxl38k— Agent P (@Mr25Smith) March 11, 2016
re: #156 Dark_Falcon
They understand what ‘cuck’ means within the context that they use it: They mean that so-called “cuckservatives”, by failing to take action to stop Obama and act against the supposed Violent Black Crime Trend racists caterwaul about, are leaving their lady America to be taken and fucked by black men.
It’s sick, untrue, and depraved, but they know in what context they fling their insults.
But how do they not see they are using outright racist not even dog whistles anymore, and authoritarianism, while they turn around and call the other side authoritarian and racist??
re: #161 Shimshon
I’m explaining that Hillary’s campaign is making big mistakes, and not taking the majority of Democratic votes in important states.
Like Virginia?
re: #136 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs
You’ve only been here(registered) for a short amount of time. Folks here have a very good troll radar. In general, doesn’t take long for us to tell the real from the fake.
My gut says 20hz is real.
I’m always the lizard that says go gentle on the newbies.
My initiation to this place was insane. That was then, though.
re: #162 Belafon
Hillary is not ahead due to superdelegates:
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She’s winning the popular vote count and the delegate count.
Now you are misquoting what I say. What is going on here? I was again specific about the important states that could go either way. Colorado. Michigan. These are states Hillary failed to win a majority of Democratic voters, this does not help her general election chances. And to clarify I am happy with either candidate, I support Sander’s plans in a perfect world but feel Hillary is the far better politician and much better equipped to deal with what will be the most or 2nd most obstructing Congress in history.
re: #155 Brian J.
After the July and then November 1932 elections, it was mathematically impossible to form a government without the Nazis or the Communists. Those two parties won over 50 percent of the vote between them. The choice to back the extremist who didn’t have a major foreign power funding his operation seemed the lesser of two evils.
Yeah. The window of opportunity to get rid of the Nazis closed in mid to late 1932, and the shenanigans with Papen was the nail in the coffin. Up to that point, the problem could have been dealt with, but that required more cooperation than the centrist politicians at the time were willing to engage in.
re: #168 Stanley Sea
My gut says 20hz is real.
I’m always the lizard that says go gentle on the newbies.
My initiation to this place was insane. That was then, though.
Ah, So you’ve met Walter.
re: #161 Shimshon
I’m explaining that Hillary’s campaign is making big mistakes, and not taking the majority of Democratic votes in important states. Her errors like what I listed before are from a campaign that is falling flat she needs to shake things up and get better speech writers and campaigners.
But here is where I can’t jive with your argument. Of the states that have voted on the Democratic side so far, I’d say only Virginia and Colorado could count as swing states, even though President Obama won them twice. So I don’t know where Clinton is not winning the majority of Democratic primary votes(not counting caucuses for this discussion).
re: #161 Shimshon
I’m explaining that Hillary’s campaign is making big mistakes, and not taking the majority of Democratic votes in important states. Her errors like what I listed before are from a campaign that is falling flat she needs to shake things up and get better speech writers and campaigners.
Also, you might want to look at the states Clinton has won this year versus those that Obama won in 2008. Like I asked earlier, please explain how Clinton winning those states somehow indicates that she’ll lose while Obama winning those states means she’ll win.
I was an Obama supporter in 2008, and I heard Clinton supporters making the same arguments back then. Give me something new.
re: #169 Shimshon
Now you are misquoting what I say. What is going on here? I was again specific about the important states that could go either way. Colorado. Michigan. These are states Hillary failed to win a majority of Democratic voters, this does not help her general election chances. And to clarify I am happy with either candidate, I support Sander’s plans in a perfect world but feel Hillary is the far better politician and much better equipped to deal with what will be the most or 2nd most obstructing Congress in history.
Which is why her winning Michigan in 2008 meant she won the nomination and then the election, correct?
re: #161 Shimshon
I’m explaining that Hillary’s campaign is making big mistakes, and not taking the majority of Democratic votes in important states. Her errors like what I listed before are from a campaign that is falling flat she needs to shake things up and get better speech writers and campaigners.
Let me guess…since she is winning her big majorities in traditionally red states with black voters, that means she is weak compared to Sanders who is winning white voters in blue states?
is that where you are going with this?
re: #169 Shimshon
Now you are misquoting what I say. What is going on here? I was again specific about the important states that could go either way. Colorado. Michigan. These are states Hillary failed to win a majority of Democratic voters, this does not help her general election chances. And to clarify I am happy with either candidate, I support Sander’s plans in a perfect world but feel Hillary is the far better politician and much better equipped to deal with what will be the most or 2nd most obstructing Congress in history.
Look at a map of the 2008 primaries. Now look at a map of the 2008 general election. Obama lost THIRTEEN different states in the primary that he won in November (NH, MA, RI, NY, NJ, PA, OH, MI, IN, FL, NM, NV, CA).
Hillary is the heavy favorite to win the nomination, and these “major mistakes” you’re bleating about will be forgotten in a week by the minority of people who know they ever happened.
re: #174 Targetpractice
Which is why her winning Michigan in 2008 meant she won the nomination and then the election, correct?
Good point. Obama won a lot of the states Hillary has won, and some folks made the same ‘But those are Red States!’ argument. Somehow, he managed to win anyway.
re: #161 Shimshon
I’m explaining that Hillary’s campaign is making big mistakes, and not taking the majority of Democratic votes in important states. Her errors like what I listed before are from a campaign that is falling flat she needs to shake things up and get better speech writers and campaigners.
Seriously I think she’s doing fine. Missteps like the Reagan thingy - she owned it.
When it comes to voting for someone though, I think we have our reasons & the campaign helps reinforce it. Or turns you off, based on your original premise.
I hate how the left uses the RWNJ attacks on Hillary.
Come together.
re: #168 Stanley Sea
My gut says 20hz is real.
I’m always the lizard that says go gentle on the newbies.
My initiation to this place was insane. That was then, though.
I think Charles was referring to the Twitter account 20hz posted, not 20hz him/herself.
re: #176 Aunty Entity Dragon
I remember him. Not fondly.
It was interesting to watch his Welcome Wagon shtick. He could actually be fun in the morning.
re: #172 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs
I think he means Michigan and Colorado.
However, Clinton has gotten Virginia and Nevada. This is why I find it so frustrating to talk to Sanders supporters. They tend to ignore statistics and facts, and go off of ideals and magical thinking.
And I have to be at the gym in 26 minutes so here let me just quickly sum up what I mean before I leave. Sanders won Colorado, Michigan, Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Wisconsin, close in Iowa and Nevada. These states were won by Obama in 2012. Will these translate into a Democratic victory in November?
And my point is Hillary’s mistakes are not helping her if she is going to turn those Sanders victory into a Democratic victory in November as long as every week is another bad speech or mistake. Let the Sanders fanatics keep repeating lies about Hillary’s record do not sink to their level with poor attacks on his support of health care or other topics. Get a new campaign staff that can write speeches not full of gaffs or mischaracterizing and splitting liberals by attacking Bernie and his liberal beliefs. Goodnight all.
re: #171 Decatur Deb
Ah, So you’ve met Walter.
I am real! haha. I do not think anyone is accusing me of being a troll. I think Charles and Babushka are pointing out that the embed of a supposed Hillary account I posted is a troll account. In general, I prefer not to debate online that much. I Would rather make music, program and do mathematics.
re: #174 Targetpractice
Which is why her winning Michigan in 2008 meant she won the nomination and then the election, correct?
Obama did not get on the ballot in Michigan ‘08 due to some bullshit shenanigans. I remember poll workers explaining to angry voters how to prepare a write-in ballot.
Trump thrives in places with high numbers of white “Americans” with no high school diploma https://t.co/mcIwgN7SJp pic.twitter.com/8qNaphGJV4
— The New York Times (@nytimes) March 13, 2016
Looking at other elections for more context:
In 2012, Romney lost 13 primaries and caucuses. He’d win 10 of those states in November.
In 2008, McCain lost 18 primaries and caucuses. He won 11 of those states in November.
In 2004, Kerry lost 4 primaries. He’d win one of those states in November.
In 2000, Bush lost 7 primaries. He’d win two of those states in November.
Doesn’t look like a pattern to me.
There are two states that really haven’t met my expectations for Democrats: Oklahoma and Massachusetts. I didn’t really know what Oklahoma would do, but compared to the other Southern states, I guess voting for Clinton was just too much. Massachusetts, being close to Vermont and a college state (I went to college in Worcester, where, why have one college when you can have ten), I expected to go for Sanders.
Oh, and I probably wasn’t paying enough attention to Colorado, so make that three.
Ali Akbar is trying to blame the entire media establishment for mis-identifying the Heil Lady in Chicago.
Dear God. The media tried painting this woman as a Nazi-sympathizer. She’s not at all. https://t.co/4uMDWotYTK
— Ali A. Akbar (@ali) March 13, 2016
I set him straight.
@ali It wasn’t “the media” It was @voxday @gatewaypundit @DonaldJTrumpJr Try to be more specific in assigning blame
— wheat-dogg (@liguy743) March 13, 2016
re: #183 Shimshon
And I have to be at the gym in 26 minutes so here let me just quickly sum up what I mean before I leave. Sanders won Colorado, Michigan, Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Wisconsin, close in Iowa and Nevada. These states were won by Obama in 2012. Will these translate into a Democratic victory in November?
And my point is Hillary’s mistakes are not helping her if she is going to turn those Sanders victory into a Democratic victory in November as long as every week is another bad speech or mistake. Let the Sanders fanatics keep repeating lies about Hillary’s record do not sink to their level with poor attacks on his support of health care or other topics. Goodnight all.
Let me simply answer that regardless of who anyone supports, comparing Primary election performance directly to General Election performance is a fallacy.
re: #183 Shimshon
Maine, Vermont, and New Hampshire are not representative of the US (Over 90% White), and 2 of them are safely Democrat.
Wisconsin tends to also be a bit unrepresentative of the US, and in addition, I wonder how voter repression affected Hispanics and African Americans in the state.
Woody Guthrie~ All You Fascists Bound To Lose
I think I am going to make a loop of the chorus of this and post it in all of my responses to Trump supporters.
re: #76 Decatur Deb
While we’re doing 1930’s analogies:
Yep. Especially since what we’re seeing is much closer to Spain or Italy than Germany.
re: #166 Shimshon
But how do they not see they are using outright racist not even dog whistles anymore, and authoritarianism, while they turn around and call the other side authoritarian and racist??
They think racism is only bad when it targets white people (and for some of the bigots Asians are also on the ‘good list’). They see attacks on black people as simply “race realism” and so such attacks are OK.
re: #191 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs
Let me simply answer that regardless of who anyone supports, comparing Primary election performance directly to General Election performance is a fallacy.
you could be right of course I’m just saying what I believe could be a possibility, this campaign is very divided and the large turnout on the Republican side for scary nationalists like Trump is worrying. If he brings out people that never voted before, or independents angry at their low wages and loss of jobs, if the GOP takes bluedog democrats, it could be different than past elections. Okay I’m done here sorry for bringing this off track.
re: #190 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
Ali Akbar is trying to blame the entire media establishment for mis-identifying the Heil Lady in Chicago.
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Vox Day deliberately misidentified the woman as a different person, a Sanders campaign worker who was not even at the rally.
re: #192 Ziggy_TARDIS
Maine, Vermont, and New Hampshire are not representative of the US (Over 90% White), and 2 of them are safely Democrat.
Wisconsin tends to also be a bit unrepresentative of the US, and in addition, I wonder how voter repression affected Hispanics and African Americans in the state.
When I think about Wisconsin, this always comes to mind:
Sorry Badgers. I’m a UK fan, you’ve had my ‘ire for the past year(Selection Sunday is tomorrow…)
re: #197 Shimshon
you could be right of course I’m just saying what I believe could be a possibility, this campaign is very divided and the large turnout on the Republican side for scary nationalists like Trump is worrying. Okay I’m done here sorry for bringing this off track.
Tell the Sanders campaign that a concession on Tuesday night and withdrawal on Wednesday morning will be sufficient apology.
re: #201 Brian J.
Tell the Sanders campaign that a concession on Tuesday night and withdrawal on Wednesday morning will be sufficient apology.
Sure let me get right on that, pulling out my Obamaphone now.
re: #200 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs
I think OK and Colorado are also whiter than average as well.
re: #98 Dark_Falcon
Though to be fair to Jonah Goldberg he hasn’t ever been a Trump supporter and is actively working against Trump now.
He wants a different Fascist in power is all. Nothing about what he is doing is about supporting America, only about having someone else do the destruction.
re: #166 Shimshon
Some of them are engaging in rhetoric with no good faith behind it. That’s actually the easiest part to understand. Fascists and authoritarians have always constructed their cruelty as self-defense. And the Internet, with its speed of communication, ease of counterfeiting, and low standard of verification, is the perfect medium for the propagation of this tactic. Accusing everyone else of racism is a tactic…a very good tactic, because it’s a riposte that damages the anti-racist and prompts response, but has no weight against the invested racist.
More muddily, there are the people who really believe some of what they’re saying, but they’re using a standard of “Truth” that doesn’t correspond to the methods of verification that you or I would find sound. As such, they’re not arguing in bad faith, but the structure of their argument relies on premises and base assumptions that they accept unquestioningly…and generally there’s a refusal to acknowledge that their assumptions are assumptions, not capital-T Truth.
And, depressingly, the two groups aren’t clearly divided. If you start as a true believer, you eventually hit a point where you’re prompted to be skeptical: you can investigate that skepticism, or you can double down on belief by rejecting the premise of skepticism. So eventually you’re both a sincere believer (in a key premise) and a liar (because you construct or accept deceits to defend that key premise.
re: #200 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs
When I think about Wisconsin, this always comes to mind:
Sorry Badgers. I’m a UK fan, you’ve had my ‘ire for the past year(Selection Sunday is tomorrow…)
I’m behind. How are the Gators in the race?
re: #109 Dark_Falcon
The problem was that Germany’s economic crisis was beyond the capacity of the mainstream parties to solve and the SA’s main opposition in the streets were the Communists, and they scared middle-class Germans far more than Hitler. Which is understandable, since non-Jewish middle-class Germans were not on the Nazis ‘kill list’ but were on the Communists’ ‘kill or dispossess list’.
Which is why they killed everyone on the left from the equivalent of Democrats and union members calling them all “communists”? Or Franco’s Guardia dragging people out their beds for extra-judicial murder for having dared stand against him? Or Pinochet and the stadium? Or the Argentine Junta having people thrown from helicopters into the ocean after weeks of torture?
Are we seeing the same blanket use of the term “Communist” for anyone who dares oppose the far right hate machine? Wake up, DF. The Fascists are openly in charge of your party and they want to do the same thing here they always do when they get in power. Stop being a “Good German”.
re: #80 Charles Johnson
There is always more to history than people appreciate. Hitler didn’t just come from nowhere and rebuild Germany’s armies and start killing Jews. Hitler took power peacefully, with plenty of support from the German people. Germany was already rearming before he took power, there weren’t that many Jews in Germany and the mass murder didn’t begin until well after the war started. Many people assume that the fecklessness of the Weimar Republic and the hyperinflation of the day led to Hitler’s ascension, but there was a lot more that happened that made the German people willing to accept a “strong man” with simple answers to all their problems. There were extensive communist uprisings in 1919 and 1920, a Polish invasion in 1921, French occupation of the Rhineland, another Communist uprising, and the Beer Hall Putsch in 1923, in addition the national governments were very weak and short lived. All that happened before the Great Depression started. They were ripe for somebody to tell them he was going to make Germany great again and he knew exactly who to blame for their problems, and that they needed somebody to wield power without limits.
Today’s “victims” of liberalism have been fed lies about the so called fall of the United States for years, and that liberals, socialists, thugs, Muslims and immigrants are to blame. It isn’t just Trump that they’re trying to sell, but the entire GOP wants an executive with unprecedented power, a Congress that would give him a blank check to carpet bomb, block the wrong people from voting, establish a national church and so on. The reason the GOP hates him is because he’s so obvious about what they’re trying to do behind closed doors.
re: #206 Stanley Sea
I’m behind. How are the Gators in the race?
Probably not going to make it in. They lost Friday in the SEC Tourney. Wrong side of the bubble this year. But the new coach seems like he could be a good fit.
re: #204 William Lewis
You and I disagree on that point. I did have to tell my dad to shift his vote today, as part of my working to get my extended family to vote for Ted Cruz. I want to vote for Rubio, but the numbers don’t lie: He can’t win and Cruz can. So if me and my friends and family want to stop Trump from being nominated, and we do, then voting for Ted Cruz is the only viable option.
re: #210 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs
Probably not going to make it in. They lost Friday in the SEC Tourney. Wrong side of the bubble this year. But the new coach seems like he could be a good fit.
Thanks. Huge sighhhhhhhhhhhh
re: #211 Dark_Falcon
What is the difference between Ted Cruz and Donald Trump?
Hands up - who didn’t see this coming?
Trump ends wild day on the campaign trail by calling for protesters to be arrested
“I’m going to ask that you arrest them,” Trump said to the police. “I’ll file whatever charges you want. If they want to do this … we’re going to go strongly for your arrests.”
Trump said arresting protesters would “ruin the rest of their lives” by giving them a “big arrest mark.”
“Once that’s starts happening, we’re not going to have any more protesters, folks,” Trump said.
Trump began the day by blaming supporters of Sanders, the Vermont senator seeking the Democratic presidential nomination, of disrupting his Chicago event, where many in the audience chanted the senator’s name after the rally was called off.
“Some represented Bernie, our communist friend,” Trump said in Dayton, Ohio, his first campaign appearance since the Chicago event was postponed.
Increase incitement of violence toward opposition. Demand that anyone who speaks out against you be rounded up by party faithful, and label them as communists. Oh where have we seen this playbook before?
re: #211 Dark_Falcon
You and I disagree on that point. I did have to tell my dad to shift his vote today, as part of my working to get my extended family to vote for Ted Cruz. I want to vote for Rubio, but the numbers don’t lie: He can’t win and Cruz can. So if me and my friends and family want to stop Trump from being nominated, and we do, then voting for Ted Cruz is the only viable option.
Cruz is a theocrat who wants to destroy America. He is not better, in any way than Trump.
A vote for any Grand Old Fascist candidate this year is a vote against America.
re: #213 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN
What is the difference between Ted Cruz and Donald Trump?
Ooh! Ooh! I know this one! Poe wrote on both of them!
Oh wait, that’s a raven and a writing desk. Give me another chance, please? Although Trump acts like someone Poe could have written about.
re: #161 Shimshon
I’m explaining that Hillary’s campaign is making big mistakes, and not taking the majority of Democratic votes in important states. Her errors like what I listed before are from a campaign that is falling flat she needs to shake things up and get better speech writers and campaigners.
I’m sorry, but here’s what it looks like you’re saying, though with a slight flip.
Bernie lost Massachussetts. Therefore if Senator Sanders wins the nomination, he probably will lose Massachussetts in the general election.
If that looks absurd, it is. Just as absurd as saying that because Hillary lost to Sanders in some states, she has lost democrats in those states and will be weak in them.
re: #214 Bill and Opus for 2016!
“I’m going to ask that you arrest them,” Trump said to the police. “I’ll file whatever charges you want. If they want to do this … we’re going to go strongly for your arrests.”
Arrest people without charge and we’ll think of something later.
re: #103 Shimshon
It’s a loss that shows the campaign is not doing a good job appealing to voters while relying on Hillary’s connections to lock up Super Delegates. That is not how you energize your Democratic base and prepare for the upcoming general election.
If she’s not doing a good job appealing to voters compared to Bernie why is she ahead in the popular vote total by over a million and a half votes?
Her campaign is failing to win over voters in important states, her mistakes are very big errors not small gaffs, she needs new campaign staff very fast if she wants to start picking up voters to help her win the general. Superdelegates do not win you an election getting the most voters does.
Again, she is getting the most voters, by a wide margin. When you start to parse which voters count more because they live in “important states” and which count less because no D is likely to carry that state in the general election you’re veering dangerously into undemocratic territory.
The fact at the end of the day is that Hillary is well on track to have the majority of pledged delegates at the end of the race, while Bernie is badly behind at this point and needs to win the rest of the contests by an average of 66% each.
re: #216 Brian J.
Let’ snot see the same hands.
re: #211 Dark_Falcon
You and I disagree on that point. I did have to tell my dad to shift his vote today, as part of my working to get my extended family to vote for Ted Cruz. I want to vote for Rubio, but the numbers don’t lie: He can’t win and Cruz can. So if me and my friends and family want to stop Trump from being nominated, and we do, then voting for Ted Cruz is the only viable option.
The only viable option? You know, if you really wanted to go with the likely winner, you could vote outside your party. People have done it before and lived to tell the tale.
re: #219 goddamnedfrank
And here’s my final statement about having to convince voters to vote: If white Democrats would turn out in the same proportion that blacks do, we’d own most of the country.
Trying to outsmart the bs that is daylight savings time. Turned my visual clocks ahead so I will retire at the appropriate time.
Birthday brunch tomorrow with my ex-sister in law. Going to be fun.
re: #218 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN
“I’m going to ask that you arrest them,” Trump said to the police. “I’ll file whatever charges you want. If they want to do this … we’re going to go strongly for your arrests.”
Arrest people without charge and we’ll think of something later.
“Sentence first, verdict afterwards!” Donald Trump as the Queen of Hearts.
re: #224 Dark_Falcon
Look, man there is no way in hell I’m clicking on a Juice Newton YouTube.
re: #211 Dark_Falcon
You and I disagree on that point. I did have to tell my dad to shift his vote today, as part of my working to get my extended family to vote for Ted Cruz. I want to vote for Rubio, but the numbers don’t lie: He can’t win and Cruz can. So if me and my friends and family want to stop Trump from being nominated, and we do, then voting for Ted Cruz is the only viable option.
Cruz and his father would happily send me and my spouse to prison and take our child as a ward of the state because I am a transgendered woman. That used to be illegal in most states under both homosexuality and “mayhem” laws that Cruz has supported in principle.
So thanks a lot, DF. I really appreciate it.
re: #223 Stanley Sea
Trying to outsmart the bs that is daylight savings time. Turned my visual clocks ahead so I will retire at the appropriate time.
Birthday brunch tomorrow with my ex-sister in law. Going to be fun.
Thanks for reminding me. and I called my dad to remind him.
re: #225 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN
Look, man there is no way in hell I’m clicking on a Juice Newton YouTube.
I did. Those were the days of music videos.
re: #225 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN
Look, man there is no way in hell I’m clicking on a Juice Newton YouTube.
I have to. It was one of the tracks in GTA: San Andreas. Really takes me back.
re: #226 Aunty Entity Dragon
Cruz and his father would happily send me and my spouse to prison and take our child as a ward of the state because I am a transgendered woman. That used to be illegal in most states under both homosexuality and “mayhem” laws that Cruz has supported in principle.
So thanks a lot, DF. I really appreciate it.
Cruz wants to jail or kill anyone that isn’t a white straight fundamentalist of one of the few acceptable varieties. Papists, Jews, LGBT, Union members would all be on the hit list - he’s just not quite as open about his hatreds and that’s why Trump leads him in the votes.
re: #226 Aunty Entity Dragon
Cruz and his father would happily send me and my spouse to prison and take our child as a ward of the state because I am a transgendered woman. That used to be illegal in most states under both homosexuality and “mayhem” laws that Cruz has supported in principle.
So thanks a lot, DF. I really appreciate it.
Dark doesn’t see you as a person deserving of equal rights or respect. Everyone here should be clear about that instead of coddling him and pretending that deep down he’s a nice guy.
re: #138 20Hz
Yes! That is why I personally do not draw conclusions about any given candidates supporters online. If one of my friends in meatspace said “I will never vote for Hillary” or “I will vote for Trump”. I would have a good long talk with them!
Sea-Lion.
re: #230 William Lewis
Cruz wants to jail or kill anyone that isn’t a white straight fundamentalist of one of the few acceptable varieties. Papists, Jews, LGBT, Union members would all be on the hit list - he’s just not quite as open about his hatreds and that’s why Trump leads him in the votes.
Cruz is also the guy who singlehandedly brought the government to a screeching halt because things weren’t going his way. He did that as a junior Senator. Imagine what he could do as President.
re: #229 JasonA
I have to. It was one of the tracks in GTA: San Andreas. Really takes me back.
One my favorite songs played in the GTA series, though I liked it before I played GTA: San Andreas. Here’s another song I like even more that was used by GTA, in this case by GTA: Vice City Stories:
if cruz by some mischance is nominated we shall be happy to learn more about the very peculiar religious beliefs of him and his father
re: #232 goddamnedfrank
Dark doesn’t see you as a person deserving of equal rights or respect. Everyone here should be clear about that instead of coddling him and pretending that deep down he’s a nice guy.
And Dark has the opportunity to address Aunty directly. Please do.
re: #236 Dark_Falcon
Laura Branigan — what a great voice! She died too soon.
i have to imagine that the leadership of the republican party plans to deny trump a win on the first ballot and nominate kasich
theyll suuport cruz for the meantime to deny trump the delegates
re: #226 Aunty Entity Dragon
I don’t know what to tell you other than Trump would be worse than Cruz and would shatter the Republican party to boot. So I’m sorry, but I’m convinced Ted Cruz has to be the nominee. He’s not who I wanted, but at this point I’m between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea.
re: #117 Belafon
If a Hillary supporter steps foot on this site claiming that if it’s not Clinton they won’t vote or will vote for
ClintonTrump, they’ll be happy I can’t reach them through the Internet.Edit: Fixed
Agreed. That’s such an obnoxious and stupid stance. Senator Sanders has already said he’d vote for Secretary Clinton. He needs to emphasize this to his supporters.
re: #229 JasonA
I went and looked at the top 100 hits of 1981. I could only stand three or four of them. If I want to go back, maybe I’ll watch a movie. Stripes, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Das Boot, Porky’s, History of the World Part 1
re: #242 Dark_Falcon
I don’t know what to tell you other than Trump would be worse than Cruz and would shatter the Republican party to boot. So I’m sorry, but I’m convinced Ted Cruz has to be the nominee. He’s not who I wanted, but at this point I’m between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea.
They’re both Wrong For America. Trump because he’s a egotistical short-fingered vulgarian, and Cruz because he’d use “The Handmaid’s Tale” as a textbook.
re: #245 goddamnedfrank
Conflict makes people uncomfortable, I get it.
That’s the problem.
Yes, describes moi. I just try hard as fuck to see some good in people.
re: #246 mmmirele
They’re both Wrong For America. Trump because he’s a egotistical short-fingered vulgarian, and Cruz because he’d use “The Handmaid’s Tale” as a textbook.
I think Dark comes from the “if it doesn’t affect me, I’m good” group of the GOP.
Now, how do you clear this with your conscience? No idea.
re: #214 Bill and Opus for 2016!
Hands up - who didn’t see this coming?
Trump ends wild day on the campaign trail by calling for protesters to be arrested
Increase incitement of violence toward opposition. Demand that anyone who speaks out against you be rounded up by party faithful, and label them as communists. Oh where have we seen this playbook before?
The scary part is that I can see cops arresting protesters like what they did with the Black man who was sucker punched by the White Supremacist.
re: #242 Dark_Falcon
I don’t know what to tell you other than Trump would be worse than Cruz and would shatter the Republican party to boot. So I’m sorry, but I’m convinced Ted Cruz has to be the nominee. He’s not who I wanted, but at this point I’m between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea.
A person of your intelligence cannot possibly look at the religious insanity that pours out of Cruz’s mouth and go “Yeah, he won’t try to fuck over the LGBT community at every turn.”
Do you not understand how completely batshit the GOP has become? What are you not getting? Because you’re supposed to be one of the sane conservatives. That’s what keeps me up at night.
re: #48 Charles Johnson
I’m getting barraged with right wing loons on Twitter at the moment. I think some wingnut star must have called out the haters.
This article and the one before it have legs, big time. I tweeted both of them one right after the other and have gotten more comments than usual (luckily not from wingnuts), and quite a lot of RT & likes.
re: #248 Stanley Sea
I think Dark comes from the “if it doesn’t affect me, I’m good” group of the GOP.
Now, how do you clear this with your conscience? No idea.
It’s really simple, you just operate as if the people being harmed aren’t actually people.
He may rationalize it in any number of ways but in the end it all comes down to that and the iron clad lifer gang mentality that requires it.
I know, I know, uncomfortable.
I’d rather look at the actual real world harm that’s being condoned here and oppose it as clearly and unequivocally as possible.
re: #242 Dark_Falcon
I don’t know what to tell you other than Trump would be worse than Cruz and would shatter the Republican party to boot. So I’m sorry, but I’m convinced Ted Cruz has to be the nominee. He’s not who I wanted, but at this point I’m between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea.
DF, I have to leave for work but think about this: there is not a single GOF candidate running that would not happily find a way to kill Auntie for being Trans or me for being a Socialist. I did not serve in the Army to throw away everyone’s freedom for a pocketful of GOF lies.
I’ll continue to pray that you wake up and understand that there is no “conservative” party anymore. Just one of hate and one that tries to stop the hate.
Come back to the light side friend,
re: #252 goddamnedfrank
I’ve told this before, but I have some very dear friends who are sane, life-long Republicans. We just agree not to talk about it. Two of them came to me several months ago, before it got this insane, and told me they wanted me to know that if Trump was the nominee, they would vote for Hillary. At the time, Cruz was polling at about 2%. Low enough I felt safe, as he was always the one I feared the most. What they think now, I don’t know. I haven’t asked.
re: #242 Dark_Falcon
I don’t know what to tell you other than Trump would be worse than Cruz and would shatter the Republican party to boot. So I’m sorry, but I’m convinced Ted Cruz has to be the nominee. He’s not who I wanted, but at this point I’m between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea.
DF…I was a Republican from 1985 to 2007.
That was a fairly long stretch, and I finally had enough.
Make your own choice, but accept the moral responsibility that goes with it. Cruz is every bit the totalitarian that Trump is. He is just the earlier Inquisition model. If you put your vote with him, you are voting for someone who wants to do really bad things to people like me or Curious Lurker (and that doesn’t even begin to get into what Cruz Sr has been saying).
I also RT this, which people are getting a huge kick out of:
This looks like a waiting room for Darwin. https://t.co/HflZLTp2iY
— tina pittaway (@tinapittaway) March 13, 2016
This one made me LOL (because it caused me to think of all you guys who have family members who’ve been sucked into the wingnut rage machine):
Daddy, is that you? https://t.co/9IU3Epob7s
— Grace Lidia Suarez (@gracels) March 13, 2016
re: #235 Stanley Sea
Frank.
No.
He needs to be called out more often for his atavistic view on the world. He’s voting for Ted Cruz, a man that honestly scares me more than The Donald™ because he believes all the batshit crazy filth that comes out of the sewer in his mouth.
re: #255 Aunty Entity Dragon
DF…I was a Republican from 1985 to 2007.
That was a fairly long stretch, and I finally had enough.
Make your own choice, but accept the moral responsibility that goes with it. Cruz is every bit the totalitarian that Trump is. He is just the earlier Inquisition model. If you put your vote with him, you are voting for someone who wants to do really bad things to people like me or Curious Lurker (and that doesn’t even begin to get into what Cruz Sr has been saying).
THIS. I’m really starting to take it personally with Dark. He doesn’t seem to understand that the threat is real for many of us and our families. Either that or he simply doesn’t care because it’s not him or any of his immediate family members in danger if any of these goons get elected.
Neither one of those options speaks well of him. It’s a shame because I used to genuinely like the guy. Now, not so much.
re: #248 Stanley Sea
Heh, I see you just found the other good one:
In case you were wondering what sort of person turned their neighbors in to the #Gestapo… https://t.co/XhF1sjsJBc
— Victoria Brownworth (@VABVOX) March 13, 2016
re: #259 CuriousLurker
Heh, I see you just found the other good one:
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This whole scene is horrifying.
I also find it kind of funny that some commenters here think this is some clearing house for Bernie Sanders bashers. I’m fairly certain that most, if not all, of us have said that we would vote for Bernie if he’s the nominee. Most of us have looked at the results of the early primary states and have concluded that Bernie cannot be nominated. So we say that and we’re “Bernie Bashers” all of a sudden.
Ain’t the real world a bitch.
re: #257 teleskiguy
He needs to be called out more often for his atavistic view on the world.
It’s not even atavistic, it’s a rote kind of mechanical. If people want to understand DF they need to understand that his stance literally comes from an utterly unthinking and reflexive prison gang mentality. He might as well belong to La Eme or the Crips as far as all the options he has in life that he cannot see. He can’t even conceive of life outside the gang, at least until the people on his father’s side of the family who indoctrinated him into the lifestyle have passed away. You can’t reason with him or change him, all you can do is talk past him and try to get other people to see his situation for what it is. The best you can do is pity him.
re: #190 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
Ali Akbar is trying to blame the entire media establishment for mis-identifying the Heil Lady in Chicago.
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I don’t think he’s talking about the mis-identification. I think he’s saying that the actual woman who did the Sig Heil salute is not a Nazi sympathizer, but I don’t know that her explanation really proved that.
re: #242 Dark_Falcon
I don’t know what to tell you other than Trump would be worse than Cruz and would shatter the Republican party to boot. So I’m sorry, but I’m convinced Ted Cruz has to be the nominee. He’s not who I wanted, but at this point I’m between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea.
So Dark, don’t answer this out loud but think about the answer.
If, as seems likely right now, the Republican candidate is Trump and the Democratic one is Clinton, how will you vote?
re: #264 kirkspencer
So Dark, don’t answer this out loud but think about the answer.
If, as seems likely right now, the Republican candidate is Trump and the Democratic one is Clinton, how will you vote?
He’ll vote for Trump. Guaranteed.
re: #266 Stanley Sea
Chocolate dessert.
Much needed.
Peace.
I’m letting truffles melt slowly in my mouth. Should be calling it a day, but chocolate helps.
re: #262 goddamnedfrank
He might as well belong to La Eme or the Crips as far as all the options he has in life that he cannot see. He can’t even conceive of life outside the gang […]
Sometimes your harshness makes me shy away, but in this case I think you’re right.
re: #268 CuriousLurker
Sometimes your harshness makes me shy away, but in this case I think you’re right.
I like goddamnedfrank’s harshness.
re: #270 teleskiguy
I like goddamnedfrank’s harshness.
Femme has to take up 50% of the world, based on statistics.
re: #253 William Lewis
Thinking of a little something I read from Hannah Arendt today.
“The sad truth is that most evil is done by people who never make up their minds to be good or evil.”
That’s how it’s going to be with a lot of GOP voters this year.
Once Praised, the Settlement to Help Sickened BP Oil Spill Workers Leaves Most With Nearly Nothing When a deadly explosion destroyed BP’s Deepwater Horizon drilling rig in the Gulf of Mexico, 134 million gallons of crude erupted into the sea over the next three months — and tens of thousands of ordinary people were hired ...
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Alone in a Bathroom: The Fear and Uncertainty of a Post-Roe Medication Abortion Angel tucked two white pills into each side of her mouth, bracing herself as they began to dissolve. Her deepest fears and anxieties took over. Angel had wanted to talk to a doctor before she took the pills to ... Cheechako
They Were Desperate to Get Pregnant. Then IVF Gave Them Extra Embryos. One morning last spring, Ashley Harrolle put her 1-year-old daughter down for a nap and went to the kitchen. She pulled up her fertility clinic’s contact information. It was time to make the call. In a freezer several hundred ... Cheechako
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March FavoritesYou've seen these all already but looking back, just because. These are my favorite shots of this last month. That 1937 Zeiss Sonnar is such a gloriously wonderful bit of glass. Thanks for looking.
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Russia’s New Combat Robots Blown Up by Drones Near Avdiivka When we landed on the moon, I thought about how science fiction had become real. Now, the robot wars have begun. It's more poignant somehow on the ground than in the missile wars we have in the air as ...
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The Pandemic Cost 7 Million Lives, but Talks to Prevent a Repeat Stall In late 2021, as the world reeled from the arrival of the highly contagious omicron variant of the coronavirus, representatives of almost 200 countries met - some online, some in-person in Geneva - hoping to forestall a future worldwide ... Cheechako
Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ... Cheechako
