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jaunte  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:01:27pm
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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:06:39pm

re: #1 jaunte

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It’s what I said this afternoon, they’re going to buy the votes and then pocket whatever’s left as tax cuts.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:10:07pm

As I mentioned on the previous thread, the numbers are obscene. The 400 richest households in America would pocket over $82 million each in tax cuts on average, paid for by cutting Medicaid for 725,000 low income Americans.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:26:49pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:27:47pm

This thread:

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:28:21pm

“I was factual and he was not. I felt bullied.”

The fascist effect on science.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:34:48pm

re: #4 Big Beautiful Door

As I mentioned on the previous thread, the numbers are obscene. The 400 richest households in America would pocket over $82 million each in tax cuts on average, paid for by cutting Medicaid for 725,000 low income Americans.

Is that the estimated NIIT savings over 10 years? If so that means each of those families is pulling down an average of $216 million per year in adjusted gross income, assuming everything above $250K is passive income taxed at the unearned rate.

Jesus H Fuck.

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darthstar  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:42:14pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:43:01pm
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darthstar  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:49:11pm

re: #10 goddamnedfrank

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Stanley Sea  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:10:00pm

re: #11 darthstar

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:20:33pm

re: #11 darthstar

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teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:42:39pm

Current temperature in Phoenix, AZ, 102° F.

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freetoken  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:52:48pm

re: #14 teleskiguy

The desert in summer is quite brutal.

Here we’re doing ok, 76F, but the ocean breeze slowly makes itself inland during the night (when there is not a strong santa ana.)

It was hot today, 94F, but the next few days will be cooler.

Unfortunately the rainfall this year was not great. Better than previous years, to be sure, but we needed more rain. The loquat trees were able to recover a bit but they need more water. While it is true the California water emergency has abated, that is because of heavy precip in the central and northern mountains of the state.

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freetoken  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:20:34pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:26:56pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:29:34pm
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JordanRules  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:42:26pm

re: #14 teleskiguy

Born and raised here and it’s still blistering. Many can and do shrug it off, but not me. The sun is soooo intense and everything remains fired up thru the night for days.
Now hoping for some crazy monsoon relief. *Continues wiping brow*

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:46:30pm

re: #19 JordanRules

Born and raised here and it’s still blistering. Many can and do shrug it off, but not me. The sun is soooo intense and everything remains fired up thru the night for days.
Now hoping for some crazy monsoon relief. *Continues wiping brow*

It read 99 here today in Simi on my person weather station. I have no idea how people even survive in Arizona unless it’s like in that underground prison in Chronicles of Riddick. I fully intend, eventually, to move back up to the Pacific Northwest. Maybe not back to Seattle but I’ve committed myself in the future to living no more south than Eugene OR.

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weave  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:50:48pm

Jesus, even if with out of context editing, this sounds really bad…

streamable.com

Basically, a “Project Veritas” hit piece on CNN about the Russia stuff all being about ratings and there’s nothing really there.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 26, 2017 • 11:54:23pm

re: #19 JordanRules

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JordanRules  Jun 27, 2017 • 12:05:04am

re: #20 goddamnedfrank

Oh yeah, your trajectory sounds great! I haven’t lived in the Northeast or Northwest. But I’ve done extreme Midwest winters and Southern summers. This AZ situation is just homegrown and stands as particularly extreme in my melted rear view.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 12:08:45am

63 F here now.

Haven’t heard from the iron company today whether they got their truck fixed, so we’re still up-in-the-air on fixing the water tower tomorrow. We’ll have to see what happens.

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teleskiguy  Jun 27, 2017 • 1:01:23am
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fern01  Jun 27, 2017 • 1:31:11am

re: #4 Big Beautiful Door

As I mentioned on the previous thread, the numbers are obscene. The 400 richest households in America would pocket over $82 million each in tax cuts on average, paid for by cutting Medicaid for 725,000 low income Americans.

This bears repeating. Under this regime the US is no democracy. People are being conned every day to vote away their independence, to give the wealth of the country to just 400 people. The world is aghast that a so-called democracy would vote to remove health care from the people it serves.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 1:54:32am

re: #26 fern01

This bears repeating. Under this regime the US is no democracy. People are being conned every day to vote away their independence, to give the wealth of the country to just 400 people. The world is aghast that a so-called democracy would vote to remove health care from the people it serves.

It is an unfortunate fact that a democratic republic can vote away its democratic liberties.

Considering the great number of people who simply sat out the election, or voted for no chance candidates, it would seem they don’t care (until it affects them personally, then they’ll howl when it’s too late).

I’m not sure how the Dems could have written better messages (that’s why I don’t do adverts). It would seem to me that one issue that was not stressed nearly enough to the apathists in the electorate was the huge number of Federal judicial appointments and the open seat being held on the Supreme Court by Mitch McConnell.

Now we have “frozen trucker” Gorsuch on the Court, and the right-wingers are salivating at the chance to fill all those Federal court positions. The only thing working in our favour at the moment is the White House is so incompetent it hasn’t forwarded anyone for those positions.

If a significant portion of the Federal bench is still open in the next election, then that ought to be an issue in the election. “Nice rights there, shame if you lost them.”

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freetoken  Jun 27, 2017 • 2:13:12am

You can’t make people care.

Indeed, you can’t make people do much of anything. You can’t change another person.

At best we can try to influence those around us.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 2:24:36am

re: #28 freetoken

You can’t make people care.

Indeed, you can’t make people do much of anything. You can’t change another person.

At best we can try to influence those around us.

There is that.

I actually hold the apathists in greater disdain than Republican voters who knew what they were voting for. The GOP voters were convinced of their position and were proud to go out and vote.

Apathists either fall into (a) both sides are the same or (b) neither side (or government) affects me so I don’t care. I throw third-party voters into the apathist camp for that.

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freetoken  Jun 27, 2017 • 2:36:42am

re: #29 Anymouse 🌹

I actually hold the apathists in greater disdain than Republican voters who knew what they were voting for.

Well…

‘I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I wish that you were cold or hot. 16 So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will [a]spit you out of My mouth.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 3:04:29am

Well, I’m off to bed. Water tower repair attempt two in the morning, if the folks from the iron company aren’t still broken down somewhere in South Dakota.

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Weaselone  Jun 27, 2017 • 3:40:56am

re: #21 weave

Jesus, even if with out of context editing, this sounds really bad…

streamable.com

Basically, a “Project Veritas” hit piece on CNN about the Russia stuff all being about ratings and there’s nothing really there.

1. Everything CNN does is about ratings. That’s one of the key problems with our infotainment industry. It’s all about ears and eyeballs on adds, not about actual journalism or newsworthiness of the material.
2. Something like 30% of the population thinks that this Russia stuff is all a bunch of hooey. It’s not exactly surprising that they can find a few people on the network that think the same.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 27, 2017 • 4:18:50am

re: #32 Weaselone

1. Everything CNN does is about ratings. That’s one of the key problems with our infotainment industry. It’s all about ears and eyeballs on adds, not about actual journalism or newsworthiness of the material.

and if you can get an unpaid intern to just constantly update “trending on Twitter” as a valid news item, you have both cut costs and hastened the demise of Western Civilization…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 27, 2017 • 4:51:02am

re: #26 fern01

This bears repeating. Under this regime the US is no democracy. People are being conned every day to vote away their independence, to give the wealth of the country to just 400 people. The world is aghast that a so-called democracy would vote to remove health care from the people it serves.

Our notion of “Individual Freedoms” means the right of individuals and families with limited incomes and resources to bargain for terms of health care coverage with multi-million-dollar corporations whose CEOs make more money in a year than most of us will make in a lifetime.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 27, 2017 • 4:52:33am

I see the purity police are hammering Cory Booker about the Capitol Stair event last nite.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2017 • 4:53:38am

re: #34 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Our notion of “Individual Freedoms” means the right of individuals and families with limited incomes and resources to bargain for terms of health care coverage with multi-million-dollar corporations whose CEOs make more money in a year than most of us will make in a lifetime.

Our notion of “choice” means taking Essential Health Benefits out of basic insurance packages and paying extra for each one.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 27, 2017 • 4:56:05am

re: #1 jaunte

“Keep your eyes on this.”

Passage of this abomination is a 100% fait accompli. I’m not exactly sure what we need to keep our eyes on, when the end game is absolutely obvious.

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weave  Jun 27, 2017 • 5:07:47am

Well that Streamable video was pulled but O’Keefe now has it on Youtube….

American Pravda: CNN Producer Says Russia Narrative “bullsh*t”

So who the hell is John Bohnifield? Doesn’t look like a top exec, so just a guy with an opinion that works there who just was stupid and stepped on his dick.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 27, 2017 • 5:08:15am

My kids turn 21 today (Boy/girl twins).

They no longer need me (to buy them beer). I sad. and old. But life goes on.

Photo of slightly younger twins.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 27, 2017 • 5:10:35am

Prez is telling us to trust him (“I had not idea health care could be so complicated”) and not the CBO, because it has made errors in the past.

And that is in the end, the essence and wonder of Trump: he has little or no record of public service and his record of private service is mostly a matter of conjecture pending release of his tax returns…

So who ya gonna believe?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2017 • 5:14:57am

re: #39 I Would Prefer Not To

My kids turn 21 today (Boy/girl twins).

They no longer need me (to buy them beer). I sad. and old. But life goes on.

Photo of slightly younger twins.

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Beyonce had her twins and we don’t even know their names!

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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 27, 2017 • 5:16:22am

re: #38 weave

I would really like to see more of a drumbeat for impeachment. An old saying comes to mind “shit or get off the pot” I am certainly disappointed with my own Senator Chuck Schumer. He led an amazing effort against Bush and the second Iraq war. I think Chuck is still on vacation or something.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 27, 2017 • 5:17:55am

re: #42 Shropshire Slasher

I would really like to see more of a drumbeat for impeachment. An old saying comes to mind “shit or get off the pot” I am certainly disappointed with my own Senator Chuck Schumer. He led an amazing effort against Bush and the second Iraq war. I think Chuck is still on vacation or something.

They are working towards it, but they know that it has to be irreproachable, incontrovertible and too big and scandalous for the entire GOP to be ignored.

I would rather have them take their time and get it right, they will probably only have one clean shot at bringing him down.

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jeffreyw  Jun 27, 2017 • 5:18:38am

Imgur
Good morning, you sly old dog, you!

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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 27, 2017 • 5:22:06am

re: #43 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We should have the Democrat leaders and McCain speaking impeachment every day.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 27, 2017 • 5:26:03am

re: #45 Shropshire Slasher

We should have the Democrat leaders and McCain speaking impeachment every day.

I would rather have quiet action than empty talk.

Nothing is going to happen until enough GOP members determine that he is a net embarrassment and detriment to the party’s chances of holding on to power. (already being an embarrassment and deficit to the nation is not sufficient in their view).

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Myron Falwell  Jun 27, 2017 • 5:27:11am

re: #45 Shropshire Slasher

We should have the Democrat leaders and McCain speaking impeachment every day.

McCain just wants attention, and his wife was tapped by Trump for a government job of some sort. He’s not worth anyone’s time.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 27, 2017 • 5:29:05am

re: #47 Myron Falwell

McCain just wants attention, and his wife was tapped by Trump for a government job of some sort. He’s not worth anyone’s time.

He could come in handy to provide a final twist of the blade (metaphorically of course, all you Shakespeare fans out there), when he sees his chance to get personal revenge on DT for demeaning his record as a POW.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 27, 2017 • 5:37:26am

re: #39 I Would Prefer Not To

My kids turn 21 today (Boy/girl twins).

They no longer need me (to buy them beer). I sad. and old. But life goes on.

Photo of slightly younger twins.

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Sans beer……….

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weave  Jun 27, 2017 • 5:42:44am

This is what aggravates me about this CNN so-called bomb shell.

Even if CNN exaggerates or even outright makes shit up about a Russia connection, it doesn’t prove one doesn’t really exist. It may still exist. Or it may not exist.

The right is so much better at distractions and deflection than the left is. I’ll give them that. So you can bet whenever the Russian story comes up from now on, they’ll be saying CNN made it all up for ratings and hence “case closed.”

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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 27, 2017 • 5:47:02am

re: #50 weave

President Obama was absolutely brilliant in how he marginalized his opposition with the birther conspiracy.

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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2017 • 5:51:22am

re: #41 The Vicious Babushka

Beyonce had her twins and we don’t even know their names!

Morning!

Are we supposed to care what their names are? I don’t. And as a matter of fact, I would be more impressed if they kept that a family thing and they eventually come out.

I’m not saying they are going to do it, but so much of the entertainment folks turn what should be a private family matter into a money-making effort.

Yeah…we don’t need more Kardashians.

Sometimes I think all that BS is what brought us Trump and other bullshit like drumming up drama for ratings in what should be factual news.

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SteelPH  Jun 27, 2017 • 5:54:26am

Convention week is here. Won’t be around to see what’s bringing about the end of the solar system this week. Bye!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 27, 2017 • 5:56:55am

re: #51 Shropshire Slasher

President Obama was absolutely brilliant in how he marginalized his opposition with the birther conspiracy.

Newt tried to warn them that Obama was walking them down the garden path, but they were too obsessed and deranged to heed his warnings.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 27, 2017 • 5:57:23am

re: #53 SteelPH

Have fun!

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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2017 • 5:57:31am

re: #50 weave

This is what aggravates me about this CNN so-called bomb shell.

Even if CNN exaggerates or even outright makes shit up about a Russia connection, it doesn’t prove one doesn’t really exist. It may still exist. Or it may not exist.

The right is so much better at distractions and deflection than the left is. I’ll give them that. So you can bet whenever the Russian story comes up from now on, they’ll be saying CNN made it all up for ratings and hence “case closed.”

And why is the right better at distraction and deflection? Because they are very practiced. They’ve been working on it since Reagan days when they really started to figure out the truth isn’t really needed in politics.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2017 • 5:58:49am

re: #52 ObserverArt

Morning!

Are we supposed to care what their names are? I don’t. And as a matter of fact, I would be more impressed if they kept that a family thing and they eventually come out.

I’m not saying they are going to do it, but so much of the entertainment folks turn what should be a private family matter into a money-making effort.

Yeah…we don’t need more Kardashians.

Sometimes I think all that BS is what brought us Trump and other bullshit like drumming up drama for ratings in what should be factual news.

*sigh*

I wish we lived in a world where the names of Beyonce’s baby twins was the most important news of the day. I mean, I thought Blue Ivy was a cute name.

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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:01:16am

re: #57 The Vicious Babushka

*sigh*

I wish we lived in a world where the names of Beyonce’s baby twins was the most important news of the day. I mean, I thought Blue Ivy was a cute name.

Well, if you put it that way…I agree.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:01:41am

re: #57 The Vicious Babushka

*sigh*

I wish we lived in a world where the names of Beyonce’s baby twins was the most important news of the day. I mean, I thought Blue Ivy was a cute name.

At least her Super Bowl performance last year got people riled up…

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:04:41am

re: #59 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

At least her Super Bowl performance last year got people riled up…

I liked her performance! I also liked Lady Gaga’s performance. Katy Perry kinda sucked tbh.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:05:36am

Talking about celebrities and their performances. How I long for those days when we thought that was an important topic of conversation.

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lawhawk  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:06:14am

re: #9 darthstar

The number of people losing coverage under the Senate version of Trumpcare equals the populations of the following states (all residents):
Kansas, Nebraska, West Virginia, Idaho, Hawaii, New Hampshire, Maine, Rhode Island, Montana, Delaware, South Dakota, North Dakota, Alaska, District of Columbia, Vermont, and Wyoming.

The House version differs in only that they’d add Nevada to the list.

That’s right folks, Senate Trumpcare takes away health care from a population equal to 15 states plus DC, or 16 states and DC (House version).

Populations courtesy of: en.wikipedia.org

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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:08:37am

re: #60 The Vicious Babushka

I liked her performance! I also liked Lady Gaga’s performance. Katy Perry kinda sucked tbh.

2 actual singers and …

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Varek Raith  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:10:00am

Hello.

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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:13:04am

re: #62 lawhawk

The number of people losing coverage under the Senate version of Trumpcare equals the populations of the following states (all residents):
Kansas, Nebraska, West Virginia, Idaho, Hawaii, New Hampshire, Maine, Rhode Island, Montana, Delaware, South Dakota, North Dakota, Alaska, District of Columbia, Vermont, and Wyoming.

The House version differs in only that they’d add Nevada to the list.

That’s right folks, Senate Trumpcare takes away health care from a population equal to 15 states plus DC, or 16 states and DC (House version).

Populations courtesy of: en.wikipedia.org

Listening around a bit, I get the feeling it is beginning to leak out this mess is messier than just “those people” losing their insurance coverage (Medicaid). It is slowly being picked up by some of the media this bill opens up everyone to be screwed.

Come on media. Do your damn jobs and dig in to ALL the details. This country needs you at this time.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:13:28am

I believe AMC’s “Preacher” is going to be my new favorite show.
God has left the building….. (By the back door)

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lizardofid  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:13:36am

re: #63 ObserverArt

2 actual singers and …

…..Left Shark

; ) Morning!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:15:02am

re: #65 ObserverArt

Listening around a bit, I get the feeling it is beginning to leak out this mess is messier than just “those people” losing their insurance coverage (Medicaid). It is slowly being picked up by some of the media this bill opens up everyone to be screwed.

Come on media. Do your damn jobs and dig in to ALL the details. This country needs you at this time.

I personally welcome the arguments of Rand Paul and all other GOP legislators who find the bill not mean enough…

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lawhawk  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:37:44am

re: #68 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Thing is that the GOP has plenty of people who think like that - Jon Cornyn comes to mind.

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lawhawk  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:38:41am

Bwhahaha….

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Timothy Watson  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:39:17am

re: #70 lawhawk

Bwhahaha….

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That boy ain’t very bright.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:43:53am

re: #70 lawhawk

Bwhahaha….

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I think I just peed myself a little bit….. it was worth it.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:44:16am

re: #42 Shropshire Slasher

I would really like to see more of a drumbeat for impeachment. An old saying comes to mind “shit or get off the pot” I am certainly disappointed with my own Senator Chuck Schumer. He led an amazing effort against Bush and the second Iraq war. I think Chuck is still on vacation or something.

Impeachment originates in the House. The Democrats have no power in either the House or Senate. It would accomplish nothing for them to keep the focus on impeachment while the Republicans slowly - or not so slowly - undermine the accomplishments of this country over the past 80 years. The Republicans have a cable channel that is willing to spout non-stop lies to achieve their goals; the Democrats do not have any comparable media. And as others have said, there isn’t a single Republican, especially McCain, who will do anything to remove Trump from office.

On Chris Hayes last night, Keith Ellison said 200,000 voters in Wisconsin lost their right to vote in 2016 because of the new voter id laws. If we don’t do anything to reverse that trend, we won’t have a chance at retaking the government and saving our democracy,

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Varek Raith  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:46:46am

re: #70 lawhawk

Bwhahaha….

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That Boy Ain’t Right

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:46:49am

re: #65 ObserverArt

Listening around a bit, I get the feeling it is beginning to leak out this mess is messier than just “those people” losing their insurance coverage (Medicaid). It is slowly being picked up by some of the media this bill opens up everyone to be screwed.

Come on media. Do your damn jobs and dig in to ALL the details. This country needs you at this time.

But given the rushed schedule, the media have practically no time to investigate. And the official government broadcast network won’t report these stories.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:48:21am

re: #75 Hecuba’s daughter

But given the rushed schedule, the media have practically no time to investigate. And the official government broadcast network won’t report these stories.

and the damage will be gradual, not immediate. enough time to explain why it is somehow the Democrats’ fault, and ensure that the GOP triumphs in 2018 and even 2020

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lawhawk  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:56:30am

Grifters gotta grift. Trump has to surround himself with like-minded people. That’s why he relies so heavily on people like Kushner, who grew up as entitled as Trump was (standing to inherit daddy’s real estate empires).

But this isn’t about Kushner, but about Trump’s lawyer Sekulow. Seems he’s got the Trump gift for grift:

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Birth Control Works  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:57:19am

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:57:49am

re: #76 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and the damage will be gradual, not immediate. enough time to explain why it is somehow the Democrats’ fault, and ensure that the GOP triumphs in 2018 and even 2020

If Trump wins in 2020 expect the GOP to overthrow the 22nd Amendment.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:57:52am

re: #68 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I personally welcome the arguments of Rand Paul and all other GOP legislators who find the bill not mean enough…

Ehhhh… Rand will still vote for this piece of shit anyway. Any “complaints” will be simple grandstanding.

The vote is pretty much a slam dunk.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 27, 2017 • 6:59:20am

re: #37 Myron Falwell

Passage of this abomination is a 100% fait accompli. I’m not exactly sure what we need to keep our eyes on, when the end game is absolutely obvious.

A great argument for sitting on your ass and doing nothing. I will be on record for having tried.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:00:10am

re: #77 lawhawk

Sekulow also is a nationally syndicated Salem conservatalker alongside their stable of mentally unstable usual suspects. So his gift of grift is much deeper than one realizes.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:01:02am

re: #79 The Vicious Babushka

If Trump wins in 2020 expect the GOP to overthrow the 22nd Amendment.

Fox News: Why Trump Should Run for a 3rd Term: The 22nd Amendment was passed by New Deal, Great Society Elites.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:02:06am

re: #82 Myron Falwell

Sekulow also is a nationally syndicated Salem conservatalker alongside their stable of mentally unstable usual suspects. So his gift of grift is much deeper than one realizes.

He was, and for all I know still is, a regular at Loony Pat Robertson’s network.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:03:17am

re: #80 Myron Falwell

Ehhhh… Rand will still vote for this piece of shit anyway. Any “complaints” will be simple grandstanding.

The vote is pretty much a slam dunk.

“It’s not a complete repeal which is what I wanted, but it kicks 22 million moochers off the uninsured rolls, and that’ll have to be good enough for now.”

/

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covfefe  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:03:30am

So I figured out what’s up with Trump and CNN this morning.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:03:36am

re: #83 Sir John Barron

Fox News: Why Trump Should Run for a 3rd Term: The 22nd Amendment was passed by New Deal, Great Society Elites.

Fox News: Why should we even have election every 4 years. Trump will be President for Life: deal with it, Liberal snowflakes!

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Sir John Barron  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:05:04am

re: #87 The Vicious Babushka

Fox News: Why should we even have election every 4 years. Trump will be President for Life: deal with it, Liberal snowflakes!

“Elections every four years are good but not when there is massive voter fraud which we have proved.”

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Sir John Barron  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:05:46am

re: #86 covfefe

Did Fox News ever retract its multiple Sean Hannity-led Seth Rich reports?

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Myron Falwell  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:06:08am

re: #79 The Vicious Babushka

If Trump wins in 2020 expect the GOP to overthrow the 22nd Amendment.

The GOP can’t wait to use Gorsuck and the other Supreme Court cons to whip up another Article 48 so they can institute their own Enabling Act.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:06:33am

re: #86 covfefe

OK, Mueller should stop investigating.

///

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Timothy Watson  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:06:36am

re: #89 Sir John Barron

Did Fox News ever retract its multiple Sean Hannity-led Seth Rich reports?

Hannity claims that they (or he) didn’t. I don’t know what the official language from NewsCorp was.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:07:37am

re: #92 Timothy Watson

Hannity claims that they (or he) didn’t. I don’t know what the official language from NewsCorp was.

That Fox News/Sean Hannity ran with this BS story (among many others) will just disappear down the memory hole.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:08:04am

re: #79 The Vicious Babushka

If Trump wins in 2020 expect the GOP to overthrow the 22nd Amendment.

No, once he wins, then they can impeach him and install Pence

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:09:06am

re: #79 The Vicious Babushka

If Trump wins in 2020 expect the GOP to overthrow the 22nd Amendment.

Two-thirds vote of House and Senate. Ratified by three quarters of the states.

And many Republican legislators want to grow up to be President, which DT’s continuing in office would prevent.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:10:52am

re: #95 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Two-thirds vote of House and Senate. Ratified by three quarters of the states.

And many Republican legislators want to grow up to be President, which DT’s continuing in office would prevent.

When DJT’s life (and Presidency) ends, then it President Ivanka for Life.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:12:20am

22 million is like 2 Illinois -almost

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Myron Falwell  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:12:49am

re: #93 Sir John Barron

That Fox News/Sean Hannity ran with this BS story (among many others) will just disappear down the memory hole.

Not entirely; it will be relegated to the Russian Twitter bots. Look at “PizzaGate…” that hasn’t really gone away, if but for a technicality.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:13:33am

re: #95 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Two-thirds vote of House and Senate. Ratified by three quarters of the states.

And many Republican legislators want to grow up to be President, which DT’s continuing in office would prevent.

Prohibition wants to say hello.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:17:45am

re: #98 Myron Falwell

Not entirely; it will be relegated to the Russian Twitter bots. Look at “PizzaGate…” that hasn’t really gone away, if but for a technicality.

It will live on for the Fever Swamp as a Trooful story the media covered up, etc.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:18:14am

re: #95 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Two-thirds vote of House and Senate. Ratified by three quarters of the states.

And many Republican legislators want to grow up to be President, which DT’s continuing in office would prevent.

GOP already controls 64% of state legislatures.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:19:52am

“An internal investigation by CNN management found that some standard editorial processes were not followed when the article was published, people briefed on the results of the investigation said.
The story, which reported that Congress was investigating a “Russian investment fund with ties to Trump officials,” cited a single anonymous source.
These types of stories are typically reviewed by several departments within CNN — including fact-checkers, journalism standards experts and lawyers — before publication.
This breakdown in editorial workflow disturbed the CNN executives who learned about it.
In a staff meeting Monday afternoon, investigative unit members were told that the retraction did not mean the facts of the story were necessarily wrong. Rather, it meant that “the story wasn’t solid enough to publish as-is,” one of the people briefed on the investigation said.
The reporting about the Russian investment fund and Trump officials was not relayed on CNN’s television channels, but it was published on the web and shared on social media.”

Sad that Hannity can lie repeatedly based on BS sources and these guys have to go. Still, it seems like these veteran reporters should have known better.

money.cnn.com

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Myron Falwell  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:20:59am

re: #81 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

A great argument for sitting on your ass and doing nothing. I will be on record for having tried.

When people like the GOP House and Senate are so consumed by hatred against humanity and raging racism, you can be as loud as an active volcano and they’ll still pass it in a Dollar Store Kabuki theatre.

I’m not saying people should sit back and do nothing, but the odds are so stacked in the bad guys’ favor that it’s not remotely funny.

It’s only a matter of it being a 51-49 vote, or if Pence comes in to be the tiebreaker in another shameful display of an authoritarian regime.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:26:02am

re: #101 Timothy Watson

GOP already controls 64% of state legislatures.

TWO-THIRDS MAJORITY OF THE HOUSE AND SENATE.

And you haven’t addressed the issue of other people’s ambitions.

But fine, sit on your ass and give up, if that’s how you feel about it.

(Excuse my shouting.)

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covfefe  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:27:20am

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covfefe  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:30:04am

re: #89 Sir John Barron

Whoa, slow down there, chief. I’m still waiting for Sean to get waterboarded for charity.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:41:05am

re: #96 The Vicious Babushka

When DJT’s life (and Presidency) ends, then it President Ivanka for Life.

They wouldn’t let a woman have the honors. Uday Eric or Qusay Don-Don are shoe-ins.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:43:19am

Well, the iron company has arrived. They are getting ready to begin their work.

First up, they came by my house with a huge-ass truck. They wanted the water tools from my car (the eight-foot valve wrench, the fire hydrant wrench, and the boat anchor pipe wrench).

They can’t start work yet; first the Fire Department is busy wetting all the ground down for a considerable way around the water tower so their welding operation doesn’t start a prairie fire. While they are doing their work, the Fire Department will remain on station just in case.

As for me, they don’t really need me unless something really goes south (I can’t imagine what other than have me sign the disaster paperwork). So I’ll be off to bed shortly (I haven’t been able to sleep for two days now).

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Birth Control Works  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:44:40am

Never-Before-Published Hannah Arendt on What Freedom and
Revolution Really Mean

It is, I believe, a secret from nobody, at least not since the Bay of Pigs incident, that the foreign policy of this country has shown itself hardly expert or even knowledgeable in judging revolutionary situations or in understanding the momentum of revolutionary movements. Although the Bay of Pigs incident is often blamed on faulty information and malfunctioning secret services, the failure actually lies much deeper. The failure was in misunderstanding what it means when a poverty stricken people in a backward country, in which corruption has reached the point of rottenness, are suddenly released, not from their poverty, but from the obscurity and hence incomprehensibility of their misery; what it means when they hear for the first time their condition being discussed in the open and find themselves invited to participate in that discussion; and what it means when they are brought to their capital, which they have never seen before, and told: these streets and these buildings and these squares, all these are yours, your possessions, and hence your pride. This, or something of the same sort, happened for the first time during the French Revolution.

Not “life, liberty, and property,” but the claim that they were inalienable rights of all human creatures, no matter where they lived or what kind of government they enjoyed, was revolutionary. And even in this new and revolutionary extension to all mankind, liberty meant no more than freedom from unjustifiable restraint, that is, something essentially negative.

What then happened in Paris in 1789? First, freedom from fear is a privilege that even the few have enjoyed in only relatively short periods of history, but freedom from want has been the great privilege that has distinguished a very small percentage of mankind throughout the centuries. What we tend to call the recorded history of mankind is, for the most part, the history of those privileged few. Only those who know freedom from want can appreciate fully the meaning of freedom from fear, and only those who are free from both want and fear are in a position to conceive a passion for public freedom, to develop within themselves that goût or taste for liberté and the peculiar taste for égalité or equality that liberté carries within it.

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Myron Falwell  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:46:07am

re: #104 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

TWO-THIRDS MAJORITY OF THE HOUSE AND SENATE.

And you haven’t addressed the issue io other people’s ambitions.

But fine, sit on your ass and give up, if that’s how you feel about it.

(Excuse my shouting.)

When have Republicans played by the rules as written?

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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:46:20am

re: #96 The Vicious Babushka

When DJT’s life (and Presidency) ends, then it President Ivanka for Life.

How about those baby names?!

Come on. It’s bad enough. Do we need to go full horror show?

Geez…doom and gloom. Doom. And. Gloom.

Ugh.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:47:45am

re: #111 ObserverArt

How about those baby names?!

Come on. It’s bad enough. Do we need to go full horror show?

Geez…doom and gloom. Doom. And. Gloom.

Ugh.

Phobos and Deimos

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Birth Control Works  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:49:23am

bbl

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Interesting Times  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:51:23am

re: #111 ObserverArt

How about those baby names?!

Come on. It’s bad enough. Do we need to go full horror show?

Geez…doom and gloom. Doom. And. Gloom.

Ugh.

For what it’s worth, I’m reading it more as gallows humor.

In terms of the broader conversation, there are two conditions required to prevent the doomer/gloomer scenarios from coming true:

1) overturning voter suppression laws and/or helping people overcome them by helping them get IDs, etc

2) getting people who aren’t particularly affected by voter suppression laws but choose not to vote to bloody well show up for a change

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:52:59am

re: #110 Myron Falwell

When have Republicans played by the rules as written?

That particular rule they would have to follow. The issue of impeachment is unlikely to come up though unless Donald Trump pulls down their election chances.

Those special elections were for people who came from safe seats; there’s no way the GOP leadership would have allowed Trump to pull a Representative from an unsafe seat.

That the elections in MT, GA, KS, and SC were so close is actually a matter of great concern to the GOP, not to mention the two safe state seats in NY and NH that went to Dems. While we might not be seeing the internal mechanisations of the GOP right now, they are counting potentially lost seats in closer districts. Any one of those four elections in a different state would have flipped seats.

The fact there were Dems that stood up for those seats and won two state seats is actually remarkable considering how red all of them were. The GOP knows this and spreading manure like “look how much money the Dems spent and lost” misses the point of how much money the GOP spent to hold on to seats like Newt Gingrich’s old seat.

As Sherlock Holmes said, “The game’s afoot.” This ain’t over, it’s only just beginning.

Just like Nixon, the instant Trump becomes a liability, just like Nixon, they’ll ask him to step aside. And if he doesn’t go willingly, they’ll push him and try to claim they “saved the Republic” (we shouldn’t let make that claim though).

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 7:55:54am

re: #109 Birth Control Works

What happened after 1789? Something something Reign of Terror and Robespierre. Revolutions don’t always go the way you want ‘em to.

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Interesting Times  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:00:13am

re: #115 Anymouse 🌹

The fact there were Dems that stood up for those seats and won two state seats is actually remarkable considering how red all of them were. The GOP knows this and spreading manure like “look how much money the Dems spent and lost” misses the point of how much money the GOP spent to hold on to seats like Newt Gingrich’s old seat.

I should clarify that it isn’t so much the losses themselves that bother me, but the abysmal voter turnout (only 54% in Montanna and something similar in GA-06…?)

Low-turnout elections almost always favor the GOP.

That’s why Sarah Kendzior also harps on turnout/suppression constantly:

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Myron Falwell  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:02:11am

re: #116 Anymouse 🌹

What happened after 1789? Something something Reign of Terror and Robespierre. Revolutions don’t always go the way you want ‘em to.

Today’s Republicans are an analogue for the 1790s Jacobins. Bannon, et al, fashion themselves that way, and won’t let you forget it.

But they forgot how the story ended for the Jacobins.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:04:56am

re: #117 Interesting Times

I should clarify that it isn’t so much the losses themselves that bother me, but the abysmal voter turnout (only 54% in Montanna and something similar in GA-06…?)

Low-turnout elections almost always favor the GOP.

That’s why Sarah Kendzior also harps on turnout/suppression constantly:

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I agree that voter turnout and suppression of voters is an issue.

Suppression has been addressed above, and the courts are throwing out the most egregious of maps now. Gerrymandering is coming up as a case before the Court as an issue as well.

Conservatives have always run on fear issues (gay marriage making your daughters marry your neighbour’s dog, transgender bathrooms will have your wife dragged off by her hair, screaming terrorism every other week, &c).

This time we have a couple of fear issues: Grandma is going to get thrown under a bus on health care, and subversion of the Republic in the name of greed and a foreign power. That ought to light a fire under a couple people.

That image of beer drinking in the Rose Garden celebrating taking health insurance from millions to give four hundred people or so tax cuts should be in every ad in every district. Circle the congressman of each district the ad runs in.

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makeitstop  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:07:21am

re: #111 ObserverArt

How about those baby names?!

Come on. It’s bad enough. Do we need to go full horror show?

Geez…doom and gloom. Doom. And. Gloom.

Ugh.

Needs a theme song.

(Slightly NSFW, so….hide.)

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Stanley Sea  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:07:25am
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Myron Falwell  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:07:41am

re: #114 Interesting Times

For what it’s worth, I’m reading it more as gallows humor.

In terms of the broader conversation, there are two conditions required to prevent the doomer/gloomer scenarios from coming true:

1) overturning voter suppression laws and/or helping people overcome them by helping them get IDs, etc

2) getting people who aren’t particularly affected by voter suppression laws but choose not to vote to bloody well show up for a change

I’ll add:

3) actually unifying the party under a singular message… and actively working to prevent another internecine war like the one BernieBros waged.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:11:33am

re: #117 Interesting Times

I should clarify that it isn’t so much the losses themselves that bother me, but the abysmal voter turnout (only 54% in Montanna and something similar in GA-06…?)

Low-turnout elections almost always favor the GOP.

That’s why Sarah Kendzior also harps on turnout/suppression constantly:

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That is what bothers me too. Voter suppression is real.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:15:06am

re: #116 Anymouse 🌹

What happened after 1789? Something something Reign of Terror and Robespierre. Revolutions don’t always go the way you want ‘em to.

yes, and the crowned heads of Europe ganging up on France

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makeitstop  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:15:30am

Oh, boy…Ukraine has become the testing grounds for all types of fuckery.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:17:39am

re: #124 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

yes, and the crowned heads of Europe ganging up on France

Well, France invading all their neighbours probably didn’t help them. Russian winters are brutal, whether it’s Napoleon or Hitler running the show.

It’s quite possible that if France had stuck to its empire, they’d have been mostly left alone by the other great powers.

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lawhawk  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:18:10am

NYC subway train derailed earlier this morning halting service on 4 lines. Good thing Gov. Cuomo was in NYC to ribbon cut the reopening of the South Ferry terminal that was rebuilt following being destroyed by Sandy (and had only been open a short time before that). The South Ferry station was a huge cost to build, and the rebuilding cost nearly the same.

Capital construction costs are insane in the US, and in NYC in particular. Everything costs more here, but it’s not all because of unions. Europe has unions and complex underground environments, and yet their subway expansion projects are a fraction the cost and time of the NYC projects. Some of the cost in NYC could be attributed to fact that the handful of companies qualified to do the work are subject to cost limits in Europe, and they book and bank on making up profits by working in NYC.

NYC and NYS (Gov. Cuomo controls the MTA, not the Mayor) have to get costs under control, and they’ve ignored all such efforts to do so, even though it would mean more projects get done. Cuomo has shown a willingness to rebuild infrastructure, but it’s mostly been bridges and airports - not subways and rail, which are how most NYers commute. Even Cuomo’s rail priorities have been to make shiny stuff - like a new headhouse for Penn Station, while ignoring the real problems with the rail lines underneath.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:18:54am

re: #126 Anymouse 🌹

Well, France invading all their neighbours probably didn’t help them. Russian winters are brutal, whether it’s Napoleon or Hitler running the show.

It’s quite possible that if France had stuck to its empire, they’d have been mostly left alone by the other great powers.

Pre-emptive strike, the Autocrats of Europe were out to nip the French Revolution in the bud.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:20:04am

re: #128 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Pre-emptive strike, the Autocrats of Europe were out to nip the French Revolution in the bud.

Metterich and the Congress of Vienna.

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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:20:06am

re: #114 Interesting Times

For what it’s worth, I’m reading it more as gallows humor.

It’s getting hard to tell anymore.

I’ve seen groups of positive people changed.

And the Republicans would love nothing more.

What is the best way to stop voting? Sure all the obstacles in the way help, but hopelessness is even better. Hopeless people don’t even try to get around and/or eliminate the obstacles.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:22:18am

re: #125 makeitstop

Oh, boy…Ukraine has become the testing grounds for all types of fuckery.

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Must have been ISIS! Who else would attack Ukraine //

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:23:00am

re: #128 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Pre-emptive strike, the Autocrats of Europe were out to nip the French Revolution in the bud.

Well, I don’t claim to be a history major. Preëmptive strike is simply a justification for invading your neighbours. (They’re plotting against us so we’ll get them first.) Apparently his neighbours weren’t ready for some full-scale invasion of France, since Napoleon polished off Spain, Egypt, the Holy Roman Empire, and invaded Eastern Europe. If they’d been anywhere along the path for an invasion, he never would have gotten that far.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:23:26am

Called Rand Paul today to tell him I support his no vote on Obamacare lite. Didn’t tell him why. If he votes no it makes it that much harder to pass Mitch’s abomination.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:24:17am

I just changed my FB profile pic. Y’all will hate it.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:26:10am

re: #133 Big Beautiful Door

Called Rand Paul today to tell him I support his no vote on Obamacare lite. Didn’t tell him why. If he votes no it makes it that much harder to pass Mitch’s abomination.

Is it worth calling Senators in other states? I’m in Illinois so my Senators are on the side of Truth, Justice, and the American Way.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:26:15am

re: #132 Anymouse 🌹

Well, I don’t claim to be a history major. Preëmptive strike is simply a justification for invading your neighbours. (They’re plotting against us so we’ll get them first.) Apparently his neighbours weren’t ready for some full-scale invasion of France, since Napoleon polished off Spain, Egypt, the Holy Roman Empire, and invaded Eastern Europe. If they’d been anywhere along the path for an invasion, he never would have gotten that far.

Austria spent a lot of time scrapping with them in the Netherlands and in Italy…France was smart in keeping the war outside its own territories.

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makeitstop  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:26:44am

re: #131 Hecuba’s daughter

Must have been ISIS! Who else would attack Ukraine //

Some 400 pound guy in his mom’s basement, probably.

//////////////////////////////////

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Sir John Barron  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:27:04am

Listening to some Supertramp this morning. Keep forgetting how much of their music I like.

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makeitstop  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:27:55am

re: #138 Sir John Barron

Listening to some Supertramp this morning. Keep forgetting how much of their music I like.

‘Crime of the Century’ has moved back on to my short list of favorite albums lately.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:29:41am

re: #138 Sir John Barron

Listening to some Supertramp this morning. Keep forgetting how much of their music I like.

We were big fans of any band that was big in the UK but had not made it in the US yes, so we were fans of ST as soon as Crime of the Century came out with the original cover.

We were also big fands of pre-Dark Side of the Moon Pink Floyd, Peter Gabriel-fronted Genesis, Hawkwind, Slade, Barclay James Harvest, Lindisfarne, etc…

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Interesting Times  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:32:06am

Ha - Nate Silver gets it, other pundits do not because they’re willful morons:

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:32:21am

re: #134 Dave In Austin

I just changed my FB profile pic. Y’all will hate it.

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I don’t suppose you’re upset or anything? /s

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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:33:34am

re: #115 Anymouse 🌹

The fact there were Dems that stood up for those seats and won two state seats is actually remarkable considering how red all of them were. The GOP knows this and spreading manure like “look how much money the Dems spent and lost” misses the point of how much money the GOP spent to hold on to seats like Newt Gingrich’s old seat.

….

Look at the guy, Randy Bryce, running against Paul Ryan.

I give him all the credit in the world for giving a hard task a shot.

Already I am seeing people picking at him for being naive, not polished, following the wrong people on twitter, etc.

I guess the guy should fucking quit right now. Let’s not give him the chance to learn as he goes. Sure it would be nice if he had some political experience, maybe a local office in his home town.

But then, we have a completely inexperienced, naive, far-from-polished, non politician in the highest political seat in this country. And talk about funking Tweeting and following, etc.

How did that happen?

Maybe a bunch of people in Wisconsin Number 1 District decide they want someone that wants to give it a shot and learn and see if it works. He can’t be any worse than Paul F’n Ryan now can he?

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lawhawk  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:35:50am
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Eventual Carrion  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:35:51am

re: #141 Interesting Times

Ha - Nate Silver gets it, other pundits do not because they’re willful morons:

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Guess we should just stick to talking about DEATH PANELS!!!! then

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:36:30am

re: #131 Hecuba’s daughter

Must have been ISIS! Who else would attack Ukraine //

When my wife and I went to Poland, we came back just in time for the annual town party. At the time, Russia had closed the border with its exclave in Kaliningrad to Americans (not that we wanted to go there though we were only thirty miles away) and were loading all sorts of missiles, tanks, troops, and aircraft into it. We got to watch the military buildup on the nightly news there.

When we got back, everybody in town was remarking on how “brave” we were to make that trip to Poland. Not because of the Russian military buildup though (apparently no one here heard of it). They were all concerned about Daesh attacking Poland.

We tried to explain that Poland is not big on Daesh’s target list, but that didn’t really seem to take.

Our general store owner makes an annual trip to see family in Ukraine; this year he says he is going to beg off.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:38:16am

re: #140 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yeah, Crime of the Century is the best.

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I cannot.  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:39:33am

re: #134 Dave In Austin

I can’t say I agree with THAT…but…I certainly understand that feeling.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:39:45am

re: #143 ObserverArt

I strongly considered taking a shot at my district (NE-3). I have government experience (US Navy, five years on my village board). However, there are negatives I probably couldn’t overcome, and we have a better candidate looking to run here anyway (someone who is better known and is well-liked by both liberals and conservatives - Jane Kleeb).

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Mike Lamb  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:40:32am

re: #86 covfefe

So I figured out what’s up with Trump and CNN this morning.

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Right, Jimmy, because:

Flynn didn’t resign for being an unregistered foreign agent.
Manafort isn’t under heavy investigation for his connections to Russia/pro-Russia elements in Ukraine.
Page isn’t under heavy investigation for his connections to Russian agents.
Kushner didn’t lie about contacts with Russian agents.
Kushner didn’t seek out backchannel communications with Russia.
Sessions didn’t lie about his contacts with Russian agents.
The House Intelligence Committee isn’t investigating.
The Senate Intelligence Committee isn’t investigating.
The FBI isn’t investigating.
The DOJ didn’t appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Russian connections.
Trump didn’t admit to firing Comey because of the Russia investigation (and regardless of the recs in the Rosenstein memo).

It’s all just a witch hunt and CNN put into motion every one of the above listed items.

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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:41:59am

re: #133 Big Beautiful Door

Called Rand Paul today to tell him I support his no vote on Obamacare lite. Didn’t tell him why. If he votes no it makes it that much harder to pass Mitch’s abomination.

There you go. Throw a wrench in the works and cause all the different factions to fight and grind to a halt. Good thinking.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:42:01am

Seeing lots of talk about a general strike… personally, I would be in.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:42:55am
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mmmirele  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:44:22am

re: #141 Interesting Times

Every time Avik Roy comes up on my feed, I tweet back at him how my diabetic, insulin-dependent brother has healthcare because of Arizona’s Medicaid expansion thru the ACA. I am not in the mood for his fuckery.

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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:45:09am

re: #140 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We were big fans of any band that was big in the UK but had not made it in the US yes, so we were fans of ST as soon as Crime of the Century came out with the original cover.

We were also big fands of pre-Dark Side of the Moon Pink Floyd, Peter Gabriel-fronted Genesis, Hawkwind, Slade, Barclay James Harvest, Lindisfarne, etc…

Did you happen to catch the digitally remixed Genesis 1973 full show YouTube vid I put up the other day? If you like early Genesis, you will want to watch it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:45:35am

re: #154 mmmirele

Every time Avik Roy comes up on my feed, I tweet back at him how my diabetic, insulin-dependent brother has healthcare because of Arizona’s Medicaid expansion thru the ACA. I am not in the mood for his fuckery.

Avik Roy thinks Medicare needs to be overturned in addition to Medicaid. Fuck him sideways with a Ditch Witch.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:46:50am

re: #156 The Vicious Babushka

Avik Roy thinks Medicare needs to be overturned in addition to Medicaid. Fuck him sideways with a Ditch Witch.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:48:18am

re: #145 Eventual Carrion

Guess we should just stick to talking about DEATH PANELS!!!! then

Yesterday I looked at an old quote for Palin in 2009 where she blathered about Obamacare death panel bureaucrats deciding whether her parents and child were productive enough to deserve healthcare. Total fabrications, but by a Republican, so that’s ok.//

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:50:02am

re: #158 Big Beautiful Door

Yesterday I looked at an old quote for Palin in 2009 where she blathered about Obamacare death panel bureaucrats deciding whether her parents and child were productive enough to deserve healthcare. Total fabrications, but by a Republican, so that’s ok.//

Projection with the GOP, always.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:51:27am

re: #158 Big Beautiful Door

Yesterday I looked at an old quote for Palin in 2009 where she blathered about Obamacare death panel bureaucrats deciding whether her parents and child were productive enough to deserve healthcare. Total fabrications, but by a Republican, so that’s ok.//

Speaking of her. She’s been Very quiet on GOPDontCare.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:52:38am

re: #151 ObserverArt

There you go. Throw a wrench in the works and cause all the different factions to fight and grind to a halt. Good thinking.

I just see it as being a constituent making myself heard. We both oppose the BCRA; the fact that I want him to vote no for diametrically opposite reasons than his for voting no doesn’t matter. Its the one thing I can do that might make a real difference.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:53:37am

Fifty-eight congresscritters (all R) sent a letter to Ruth Bader Ginsberg demanding she recuse herself from the upcoming Supreme Court Muslim travel ban order hearing.

wonkette.com

I’m guessing she will (politely) tell them to pack sand. They are apparently trying to distract from their Dumpster fire of a wealthcare bill.

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lawhawk  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:54:03am

re: #160 HappyWarrior

Good. We can only deal with one person speaking frontier gibberish at a time. Trump’s monopolized that for all time.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:54:56am

re: #162 Anymouse 🌹

Fifty-eight congresscritters (all R) sent a letter to Ruth Bader Ginsberg demanding she recuse herself from the upcoming Supreme Court Muslim travel ban order hearing.

wonkette.com

I’m guessing she will (politely) tell them to pack sand. They are apparently trying to distract from their Dumpster fire of a wealthcare bill.

RBG: Oh yeah, let me get right on that request.

/

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:54:59am

re: #162 Anymouse 🌹

Fifty-eight congresscritters (all R) sent a letter to Ruth Bader Ginsberg demanding she recuse herself from the upcoming Supreme Court Muslim travel ban order hearing.

wonkette.com

I’m guessing she will (politely) tell them to pack sand. They are apparently trying to distract from their Dumpster fire of a wealthcare bill.

Did Alito have to recuse himself from Obama matters when he muttered bullshit under his breath at SOTU?

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lawhawk  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:55:15am

re: #162 Anymouse 🌹

Trumpcare is Wealthcare. Heh… I’m gonna have to use that….

Millionaires get massive tax breaks while millions see their health care broken by GOP.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:55:27am

re: #163 lawhawk

Good. We can only deal with one person speaking frontier gibberish at a time. Trump’s monopolized that for all time.

That phrase never gets old!

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CongoJack  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:55:35am

Jill Stein Doesn’t Care About Republicans Stealing Your Healthcare
(from the Daily Banter)

Looks like all those purity votes are feeling great about themselves /

What do Russians have on Jill Stein? It must be good because she keeps harping on the Democratic Party. Starting to think Jill Stein was the first attack by the Russians, Trump was just the pincer maneuver.

Reminds me of the book Ender’s Game. Where Peter (Ender’s brother) decides that he can control (Earth) politics by creating two false identities. One right-wing, the other left-wing and they have fake arguments dividing the people until Peter has them agree and unifies the people under his own rule.

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makeitstop  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:55:40am

re: #160 HappyWarrior

Speaking of her. She’s been Very quiet on GOPDontCare.

On pretty much anything, actually.

Drunk in Wasila, threw a whiskey bottle at the computer.
///

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:56:59am

re: #155 ObserverArt

Did you happen to catch the digitally remixed Genesis 1973 full show YouTube vid I put up the other day? If you like early Genesis, you will want to watch it.

yes, that was about the time we were big on them

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lawhawk  Jun 27, 2017 • 8:57:29am

It depends on what Mueller is looking to achieve here. A deal could be limited in scope, or it could be more wide ranging so as to get more people. Depends on who ultimate target is based on the evidence at the time.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:00:01am

re: #168 CongoJack

Jill Stein Doesn’t Care About Republicans Stealing Your Healthcare
(from the Daily Banter)

Looks like all those purity votes are feeling great about themselves /

What do Russians have on Jill Stein? It must be good because she keeps harping on the Democratic Party. Starting to think Jill Stein was the first attack by the Russians, Trump was just the pincer maneuver.

Reminds me of the book Ender’s Game. Where Peter (Ender’s brother) decides that he can control (Earth) politics by creating two false identities. One right-wing, the other left-wing and they have fake arguments dividing the people until Peter has them agree and unifies the people under his own rule.

From what I read, Putin likes using extreme left and right to divide up the mainstream. Stein may well genuinely believe in what she’s doing but she’s a tool.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:01:06am

re: #169 makeitstop

On pretty much anything, actually.

Drunk in Wasila, threw a whiskey bottle at the computer.
///

To be fair, if I were in Wasila, I’d get drunk a lot too.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:02:02am

re: #153 The Vicious Babushka

Yep. Looks like a major ransomware attack.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:02:40am

re: #172 HappyWarrior

From what I read, Putin likes using extreme left and right to divide up the mainstream. Stein may well genuinely believe in what she’s doing but she’s a tool.

He is good at appealing to the ideologically blindered…they are so easily manipulated.

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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:03:20am

re: #172 HappyWarrior

From what I read, Putin likes using extreme left and right to divide up the mainstream. Stein may well genuinely believe in what she’s doing but she’s a tool.

She certainly was used like one.

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:03:32am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:05:16am

re: #166 lawhawk

Trumpcare is Wealthcare. Heh… I’m gonna have to use that….

Millionaires get massive tax breaks while millions see their health care broken by GOP.

I must confess I did not come up with the term. I first ran across it at Wonkette. It is, however, a superb description of what this bill does. Fits on a bumper sticker. Would make a great soundbite in adverts or Dems appearing on television or radio.

As a matter of fact, keep pounding that “wealthcare” phrase home like the Republicans did with Obamacare, and it might stick. The difference is of course the wealthcare phrase is true.

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makeitstop  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:05:28am

re: #173 HappyWarrior

To be fair, if I were in Wasila, I’d get drunk a lot too.

Heh, true.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:07:15am

“Ivankacare” has a nice ring to it, too…

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lawhawk  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:08:06am

re: #180 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“Ivankacare” has a nice ring to it, too…

Naw, that describes the child care tax breaks millionaires like Ivanka get while everyone else can’t afford to save enough to make use of the proposed child care assistance.

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mmmirele  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:08:22am

I don’t know if this was talked about previously, but the First Baptist Church of Dallas, headed by the execrable Robert Jeffress, had a patriotic celebration on Sunday. Yes that would have been the 25th of June.

thewayofimprovement.com

Probably because Donald Trump will be at the First Baptist Church of Dallas on Saturday July 1st for another celebration.

thewayofimprovement.com

The links are to Professor John Fea’s website. Fea is an Evangelical, but he’s also pretty critical of the Evangelical Industrial Complex.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:08:28am

re: #180 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“Ivankacare” has a nice ring to it, too…

I like wealthcare better. Ivankacare might be stuck to just Ivanka Trump. Wealthcare can be stuck to every Republican that came up with or supports this tyre fire.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:08:33am

re: #175 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He is good at appealing to the ideologically blindered…they are so easily manipulated.

He’s no dummy. A pathetic bigoted autocrat but knows the divide game. In a way, he’s more dangerous than the Soviets were since he plays both left and right. The Soviets I don’t think would have thought to fund the alt right.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:09:45am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:10:41am

re: #182 mmmirele

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The links are to Professor John Fea’s website. Fea is an Evangelical, but he’s also pretty critical of the Evangelical Industrial Complex.

And here I thought EIC on a tax form meant “Earned Income Credit.” If I’d have known I was supporting the Evangelical Industrial Complex with my taxes, I would have protested. /s

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:11:25am

re: #186 Anymouse 🌹

And here I thought EIC on a tax form meant “Earned Income Credit.” If I’d have known I was supporting the Evangelical Industrial Complex with my taxes, I would have protested. /s

You’re supporting the IRA with your retirement too!

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Sir John Barron  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:12:17am

re: #182 mmmirele

Heh, “court evangelicals”. I’ll have to remember that.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:14:55am

re: #187 HappyWarrior

You’re supporting the IRA with your retirement too!

Who knew an agricultural bank in a town with 64 people was a money-laundering outfit for the Provos?

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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:15:05am

re: #178 Anymouse 🌹

I must confess I did not come up with the term. I first ran across it at Wonkette. It is, however, a superb description of what this bill does. Fits on a bumper sticker. Would make a great soundbite in adverts or Dems appearing on television or radio.

As a matter of fact, keep pounding that “wealthcare” phrase home like the Republicans did with Obamacare, and it might stick. The difference is of course the wealthcare phrase is true.

One problem. To the not-too-sharp WealthCare could be taken to sound positive. Everyone would like some wealth and if someone cares about it, then they are in. It isn’t clear as to who it is aimed at.

Obamacare worked because hearing Obama was all the haters needed. He is Black, his name sounds foreign so add all that into all the other scare tactics they pre-built on him during the elections and once he got the healthcare legislation going they had the negatives to hang on it and named it ObamaCare.

I think the simplicity of GOPDonTCare works. The GOP don’t care. The use of DonT covers Donny Trump being a part of it. It doesn’t have pre-built negativity, but that will come with the negativity of the bill.

Plus…I already have the graphic…but am willing to do more if an even more negative damning name can work.

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makeitstop  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:18:58am

re: #190 ObserverArt

I think the simplicity of GOPDonTCare works. The GOP don’t care. The use of DonT covers Donny Trump being a part of it.

Yeah, but those who are too thick to grasp ‘WealthCare’ as a negative aren’t going to be sharp enough to grasp the ‘DonT’ connotation.

Just sayin’

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:19:02am

re: #189 Anymouse 🌹

Who knew an agricultural bank in a town with 64 people was a money-laundering outfit for the Provos?

It’s always the ones you least suspect.

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(Bert the Turtle)  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:20:12am

re: #143 ObserverArt

Look at the guy, Randy Bryce, running against Paul Ryan.

I give him all the credit in the world for giving a hard task a shot.

Already I am seeing people picking at him for being naive, not polished, following the wrong people on twitter, etc.

I guess the guy should fucking quit right now. Let’s not give him the chance to learn as he goes. Sure it would be nice if he had some political experience, maybe a local office in his home town.

But then, we have a completely inexperienced, naive, far-from-polished, non politician in the highest political seat in this country. And talk about funking Tweeting and following, etc.

How did that happen?

Maybe a bunch of people in Wisconsin Number 1 District decide they want someone that wants to give it a shot and learn and see if it works. He can’t be any worse than Paul F’n Ryan now can he?

I poked at him for the Louise Mensch fan club bullshit. I’d do it again. I guess that falls under the live and learn category.

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Interesting Times  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:20:12am

re: #190 ObserverArt

Minor unsolicited critique re your banner graphic - can you do something to the medical box icon to make it look less neutral and benign, so it better represents what the bill does? Even if you were to put one of those circle-with-red-slash symbols over it, to serve as a visual symbol of taking care away (though if you did that, you might need a different icon to represent medical care, one with simpler lines and a cleaner silhouette so you can still visually read what it is, even with the circle/slash symbol on top…)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:22:05am

stadiums…

*spit*

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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:22:35am

re: #191 makeitstop

Yeah, but those who are too thick to grasp ‘WealthCare’ as a negative aren’t going to be sharp enough to grasp the ‘DonT’ connotation.

Just sayin’

That may be…but the GOP DonT Care comes through. That is the simple message. The Trump part rides along, sort of subliminal brain tease.

Messaging. It is not a perfect science. Often times it happens without too much manipulation or trying. That is how ObamaCare stuck. The haters were ready to soak it in/

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:23:26am

re: #21 weave

Jesus, even if with out of context editing, this sounds really bad…

streamable.com

Basically, a “Project Veritas” hit piece on CNN about the Russia stuff all being about ratings and there’s nothing really there.

And the Hollywood Reporter did a piece on this calling O’Keefe a “right leaning” government watchdog group.

On Tuesday, the network was hit with an undercover video, shot by a right-leaning government watchdog group, that purports to show a CNN producer critiquing the network’s frequent coverage of potential collusion between Russia and the Trump administration.

In the nearly nine-minute-long video, an unidentified Project Veritas associate chats with John Bonifield, a supervising producer in the CNN Medical Unit. In the video, a person said to be Bonifield expresses the opinion that CNN is covering the Russia story primarily out of a desire to increase ratings and make more money.

Makes me want to vomit.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:24:42am

re: #195 Backwoods_Sleuth

Senate bill opens door for states to use Medicaid funds on roads, bridges, stadiums

Why did the chicken cross the newly built Medicare money-funded road?

To pay for the doctor!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:24:57am

Redstone Arsenal in Alabama.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:24:58am

re: #195 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

stadiums…

*spit*

We can use them to have the sick fight lions.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:27:33am

re: #197 MsJ

And the Hollywood Reporter did a piece on this calling O’Keefe a “right leaning” government watchdog group.

Makes me want to vomit.

Doesn’t James have some African America voters to follow around?

///

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:27:36am

re: #195 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

stadiums…

*spit*

Stadiums? JFC.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:28:03am

re: #200 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

We can use them to have the sick fight lions.

NO NO THAT’S NOT SPORTING!!! HAVE THE SICK PEOPLE’S HEALTHY CHILDREN FIGHT WITH EACH OTHER FOR HEALTH CARE FOR THERE LOVED ONES!!!!!!

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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:28:29am

re: #194 Interesting Times

Minor unsolicited critique re your banner graphic - can you do something to the medical box icon to make it look less neutral and benign, so it better represents what the bill does? Even if you were to put one of those circle-with-red-slash symbols over it, to serve as a visual symbol of taking care away (though if you did that, you might need a different icon to represent medical care, one with simpler lines and a cleaner silhouette so you can still visually read what it is, even with the circle/slash symbol on top…)

I straight up used the GOP own graphic there. I was just poking fun at their own work when they first announced the house version. I never intended it to be a thing. I’ll take a look at that part.

Here is the GOP’s own version,

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HappyWarrior  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:28:46am

re: #201 Sir John Barron

Doesn’t James have some African America voters to follow around?

///

He needs to find a real job. I hear Chick a Fila is hiring.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:31:31am

re: #191 makeitstop

Yeah, but those who are too thick to grasp ‘WealthCare’ as a negative aren’t going to be sharp enough to grasp the ‘DonT’ connotation.

Just sayin’

I’m back. While no one was looking here I went to the General Store to fulfil my obligation as vice-mayor (I bought booze, cigarettes, and lotto tickets - I’m going to win tonight’s MegaMillions so I can move to Saskatchewan, just letting you all know).

In the proper contexts all those work: GOPDon’tCare (don’t have to link it to Trump specifically, the GOP will do), Ivankacare, Trumpcare, Wealthcare, &c.

I wonder if anyone in the Dem’s strategy and messaging sections are listening to all the good single-word slogans the voters are coming up with? That stuff works, and has for two hundred forty years.

GOPDon’tCare doesn’t really talk about the bill, but it pretty much sums up what it means, for example.

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:31:32am

re: #97 Birth Control Works

22 million is like 2 Illinois -almost

That’s ok. IL votes Dem which makes them dispensable. Republicans only represent Republicans.

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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:31:35am

re: #195 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

stadiums…

*spit*

I am so fucking sick of that damn thumbs up bullshit cliche.

I’d like to break his fucking thumbs. Hey, he has healthcare insurance to get it fixed up. And we are paying for it.

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mmmirele  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:33:02am

re: #192 HappyWarrior

It’s always the ones you least suspect.

Stranger things have happened. Back when the government was cracking down on banks looking the other way with laundered money, Bloomberg ran a story about how a branch bank vault at the now-gobbled up Wachovia actually smelled like fabric softener. The drug dealer was actually laundering his takings.

bloomberg.com

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retired cynic  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:34:56am

re: #135 Hecuba’s daughter

Is it worth calling Senators in other states? I’m in Illinois so my Senators are on the side of Truth, Justice, and the American Way.

There are a bunch of us here!

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:35:53am

re: #207 Anymouse 🌹

Hate to break it to you, but, those MegaMillions bucks are all mine…

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makeitstop  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:38:19am

re: #210 mmmirele

Stranger things have happened. Back when the government was cracking down on banks looking the other way with laundered money, Bloomberg ran a story about how a branch bank vault at the now-gobbled up Wachovia actually smelled like fabric softener. The drug dealer was actually laundering his takings.

bloomberg.com

That used to be a preferred method for counterfeiters to simulate ‘worn’ bills - toss ‘em in the dryer with a dryer sheet and let ‘em spin. It made it harder to detect that the bills weren’t printed on the correct stock, which is tightly controlled by Treasury.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:38:50am

re: #197 MsJ

And the Hollywood Reporter did a piece on this calling O’Keefe a “right leaning” government watchdog group.

Makes me want to vomit.

Does Hollywood Reporter have a comment section, or a section to comment to the editors of the Website? Might be worthwhile to point out that O’Keefe and company are “not known for truth” and are being tried for criminal activity.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:41:01am

re: #193 (Bert the Turtle)

Yep, me too

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:43:04am

re: #201 Sir John Barron

Doesn’t James have some African America voters to follow around?

///

I am upset I have to share the same first name as that lying criminal.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:45:10am

re: #213 makeitstop

That used to be a preferred method for counterfeiters to simulate ‘worn’ bills - toss ‘em in the dryer with a dryer sheet and let ‘em spin. It made it harder to detect that the bills weren’t printed on the correct stock, which is tightly controlled by Treasury.

There is a paper company north of where I was a Navy Recruiter, in North Adams, Massachusetts that makes the paper used in banknotes.

The place is armed better than a military reservation. I could swear when I drove by it there was a guy in a pillbox training a .50 cal on me.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:45:23am
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MsJ  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:46:44am

re: #214 Anymouse 🌹

Does Hollywood Reporter have a comment section, or a section to comment to the editors of the Website? Might be worthwhile to point out that O’Keefe and company are “not known for truth” and are being tried for criminal activity.

Yes. And I did.

There are a lot of trumpbots there. Feel free to participate.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:50:50am

re: #135 Hecuba’s daughter

Is it worth calling Senators in other states? I’m in Illinois so my Senators are on the side of Truth, Justice, and the American Way.

No, it’s not, but in my state (CA), there are phone banks calling citizens of other states and urging THEM to call their senators. You might find something like that.

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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:51:24am

How about this tweak…

You don’t need those tax dollars for your health…the Rich do!
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mmmirele  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:54:05am

re: #217 Anymouse 🌹

I visited the Phoenix branch of the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco several years ago. They had movable bollards (went up and down into the ground), the guards checked my car and trunk, including underneath, and they had a very thorough personal inspection to get into the place. But it was amazing to watch those little automated forklifts move pallets of money around, in and out of the vault.

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Interesting Times  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:55:01am

re: #221 ObserverArt

Ha, brilliant - now it kind of looks like a little man behind a desk adorned with huge $$ signs (I guess you could experiment to see what works better, one $ or two - the thing with two, especially in that style, is that they also look like the initials “SS”!)

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:57:03am

re: #221 ObserverArt

How about this tweak…

[Embedded content]

They only want to make the rich RICHER. Whether the rich spend their additional windfall on healthcare is up to them.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:57:17am

A rather large multinational law firm

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:58:01am

re: #225 FormerDirtDart

how are they supposed to play pokemon?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2017 • 9:59:17am

re: #225 FormerDirtDart

A rather large multinational law firm

[Embedded content]

Wannacry 2.0?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:00:04am
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FormerDirtDart  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:03:46am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:04:04am

re: #227 The Vicious Babushka

Wannacry 2.0?

Pretty much. Up the thread someone posted a link to Reuters (rummaging in my history):
reuters.com

about the attack hitting many places in the Ukraine, Gazprom in Russia, and concerns it would spread to North America this morning.

You know, it’s alleged the NSA originally came up with the tool now being used for these attacks. Would be nice if the NSA came out with a fix for this.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:05:09am

Speaking of voter suppression, Let America Vote, which works on voting rights, has a matching grant, but they need $5000 by midnight tonight. If you’re interested in voter suppression and have a few coins to toss their way, it would help.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:06:25am

re: #227 The Vicious Babushka

Wannacry 2.0?

Basically, yes.

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lizardofid  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:07:28am

re: #230 Anymouse 🌹

Pretty much. Up the thread someone posted a link to Reuters (rummaging in my history):
reuters.com

about the attack hitting many places in the Ukraine, Gazprom in Russia, and concerns it would spread to North America this morning.

You know, it’s alleged the NSA originally came up with the tool now being used for these attacks. Would be nice if the NSA came out with a fix for this.

Are we sure that’s not who’s getting the ransom?

////

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:08:05am

Mid-day sanity break

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Birth Control Works  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:08:25am

re: #195 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

stadiums…

*spit*

what? Medicaidemoney to line the pockets of the building industry —and all those who get a cut along the way? Is that really true? I mean, it’s rather transparent.

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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:08:33am

re: #224 The Vicious Babushka

They only want to make the rich RICHER. Whether the rich spend their additional windfall on healthcare is up to them.

I used “healthier” to keep in the theme of health care…to get “health” ties into it.

Plus, healthy is often used to describe “more” like “that was a healthy raise you just got with that windfall tax cut.”

healthy (ˈhɛlθɪ)
adj, healthier or healthiest
1. enjoying good health
2. functioning well or being sound: the company’s finances are not very healthy.
3. conducive to health; salutary
4. indicating soundness of body or mind: a healthy appetite.
5. informal considerable in size or amount: a healthy sum.

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lawhawk  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:08:58am
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wrenchwench  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:10:42am

re: #234 FormerDirtDart

Mid-day sanity break

Timezonist!

/

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:11:06am

re: #234 FormerDirtDart

Mid-day sanity break

[Embedded content]

Another mid-day sanity break, of the cinematic variety:

BLADE RUNNER 2049 - “Time to Live” Featurette

I’m noticing quite a bit of use of optical miniatures for the visual effects. Nice to see.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:11:38am

Jacobin Magazine might not be on the top-ten reading material around here, but they have an interesting article on conservatism’s fundamental disdain for democracy.

jacobinmag.com

Democracy in Chains is a remarkable book. At its core is a startling archival discovery: the unsorted and unprocessed papers of the University of Virginia economist James McGill Buchanan. Buchanan was a quiet but central figure in the making of the modern right: indeed, in MacLean’s account, Buchanan appears — like a libertarian Zelig — at each critical juncture in this history.

Educated at the University of Chicago, he takes up his first academic post at the University of Virginia as a fierce defender of segregation and “states’ rights.” Discouraged by both the progress of civil rights and Barry Goldwater’s defeat in 1964, and wearing out his welcome at Virginia, he decamps to UCLA, only to be horrified by the diversity of the setting and the radicalism of the students. He retreats to Virginia Tech for a decade, before being lured to George Mason University on the eve of the Reagan Revolution.

At each stop, he builds a privately funded fiefdom designed to develop and disseminate the libertarian creed. At each setback, he doubles his resolve to put ideas into action. With each year, he grows wearier of democratic institutions and the tyranny of majority rule.

The article is worth reading, regardless of what you might think of the magazine. (Disclaimer: My wife’s first husband bought me a gift subscription to the magazine.)

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Birth Control Works  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:12:02am

4. It is always about the money.

sometimes it’s about the votes —which usually depends o which way the money flows.

So, it’s still all about the money.

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lawhawk  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:12:04am

50% seems high, but consider that the polling is falling off a cliff. It’s down 15 points since Trump took office.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:13:01am

re: #190 ObserverArt

One problem. To the not-too-sharp WealthCare could be taken to sound positive. Everyone would like some wealth and if someone cares about it, then they are in. It isn’t clear as to who it is aimed at.

Obamacare worked because hearing Obama was all the haters needed. He is Black, his name sounds foreign so add all that into all the other scare tactics they pre-built on him during the elections and once he got the healthcare legislation going they had the negatives to hang on it and named it ObamaCare.

I think the simplicity of GOPDonTCare works. The GOP don’t care. The use of DonT covers Donny Trump being a part of it. It doesn’t have pre-built negativity, but that will come with the negativity of the bill.

Plus…I already have the graphic…but am willing to do more if an even more negative damning name can work.

[Embedded content]

I like your graphic, and I prefer Deathcare as a name for the GOP plan. But we can always use both.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:13:49am

re: #242 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

50% seems high, but consider that the polling is falling off a cliff. It’s down 15 points since Trump took office.

It depends. Which parts of the earth do they consider “the world.” I know France doesn’t count… and those other “pussy” nanny state countries.

:0

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wrenchwench  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:14:09am

re: #240 Anymouse 🌹

My wife’s first husband bought me a gift subscription to the magazine.

The weirdest ever ‘recommendation.’

Not clicking.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:14:38am

Call it the “We Birth Babies and fuck everyone else including the birth mother Plan.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:15:08am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:16:18am

re: #247 Backwoods_Sleuth

Apparently cameras *will* be allowed at today’s briefing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:17:54am
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danarchy  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:18:29am

re: #230 Anymouse 🌹

Pretty much. Up the thread someone posted a link to Reuters (rummaging in my history):
reuters.com

about the attack hitting many places in the Ukraine, Gazprom in Russia, and concerns it would spread to North America this morning.

You know, it’s alleged the NSA originally came up with the tool now being used for these attacks. Would be nice if the NSA came out with a fix for this.

There is a fix for this, it has been around for months and if people haven’t patched their systems they are morons.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:21:58am

re: #242 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

50% seems high, but consider that the polling is falling off a cliff. It’s down 15 points since Trump took office.

Perhaps 50% of Americans think we’ll have a different president (and not Pence).

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Birth Control Works  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:22:58am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:25:06am

re: #245 wrenchwench

The weirdest ever ‘recommendation.’

Not clicking.

That’s fine. In short, the article talks about a particular libertarian economist (James McGill Buchanan) who advanced libertarianism everywhere he went, opposed Brown v Board of Education, and fundamentally opposed democracy.

He viewed school vouchers the way Betsy DeVos does now (as a means to resegregate schools). He shaped Republican economic policy from Goldwater to present.

He won a Nobel Prize for an argument (never tested) that the free market fails because of government intervention (the article of religion at the heart of GOP economics now).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:27:08am

re: #253 Anymouse 🌹

He won a Nobel Prize for an argument (never tested) that the free market fails because of government intervention (the article of religion at the heart of GOP economics now).

The Free Market is seen as some divine, natural state that will regulate and police itself through the purity of its purpose…

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:29:56am

re: #254 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The Free Market is seen as some divine, natural state that will regulate and police itself through the purity of its purpose…

Because no one with guns ever rolled up and tried to test that notion (cough cough Chile, Somalia, &c)

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makeitstop  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:31:21am

re: #247 Backwoods_Sleuth

No cameras allowed at today’s briefing so here’s your sock update.

Their response so far is bullshit.

They should turn their cameras on and get thrown out. And keep doing it until they’re banned, then take the White House to court.

This is a First Amendment issue, and Acosta does nothing but comply, then go on the air to bitch about it.

CNN should make themselves the story. Acosta is doing nothing but making the media look weak.

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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:37:30am

Heh, after reading about that Mitch McConnell BS about having to work with Schumer I wrote another email to Rob Portman.

It won’t go through. I’m getting a “website temporarily unavailable due to maintenance message.”

I bet the U.S. Senate is getting hammered. I hope so at least. I’m trying to do some myself. I have it saved. I’ll check back later.

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Alephnaught  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:39:25am

re: #230 Anymouse 🌹

Pretty much. Up the thread someone posted a link to Reuters (rummaging in my history):
reuters.com

about the attack hitting many places in the Ukraine, Gazprom in Russia, and concerns it would spread to North America this morning.

You know, it’s alleged the NSA originally came up with the tool now being used for these attacks. Would be nice if the NSA came out with a fix for this.

It’s apparently not the NSA themselves, but the NSA doing a sort of “Jolly Rodger’s Cookbook” style collection of other people’s code, which included Wannacry. From what I’ve seen on the various cybercrime websites the code for Wannacry was publicly realised on hacker websites before the leak of NSA stuff.

Actually, what’s really ironic thing is that the attack itself fixes the exploits it exploited after infection. (In order to prevent other attacks supplanting it using the same exploits.)

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:39:48am

re: #257 ObserverArt

Heh, after reading about that Mitch McConnell BS about having to work with Schumer I wrote another email to Rob Portman.

It won’t go through. I’m getting a “website temporarily unavailable due to maintenance message.”

I bet the U.S. Senate is getting hammered. I hope so at least. I’m trying to do some myself. I have it saved. I’ll check back later.

Perhaps the Republicans are under the ransomware attack? /s

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Weaselone  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:41:17am

re: #197 MsJ

John Bonifield, a supervising producer in the CNN Medical Unit. In the video, a person said to be Bonifield expresses the opinion that CNN is covering the Russia story primarily out of a desire to increase ratings and make more money.

Wait. So the entire Veritas contribution is basically some (probably right wing) CNN producer in an unrelated unit offering up their opinion about the Russia story?

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Birth Control Works  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:41:48am

re: #254 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The Free Market is seen as some divine, natural state that will regulate and police itself through the purity of its purpose…

WE ARE NOT GOING BACK
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Birth Control Works  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:43:12am

bbl

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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:43:53am

re: #256 makeitstop

Their response so far is bullshit.

They should turn their cameras on and get thrown out. And keep doing it until they’re banned, then take the White House to court.

This is a First Amendment issue, and Acosta does nothing but comply, then go on the air to bitch about it.

CNN should make themselves the story. Acosta is doing nothing but making the media look weak.

Look? They are weak.

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:44:33am

re: #263 ObserverArt

Look? They are weak.

You mean everyone isn’t sitting on pins and needles waiting for the sock du jour photo? /

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:45:47am

Elizabeth Warren: The Next Step for Democrats is Running on Single-Payer

talkingpointsmemo.com

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) says Democrats should campaign on a single-payer health care plan in 2018 and 2020.

She said former President Barack Obama tried to use a more conservative model when writing the Affordable Care Act, but she told The Wall Street Journal Tuesday that Democrats should push for a health care plan similar to Canada and the United Kingdom.

“Now it’s time for the next step. And the next step is single payer,” she said, adding that the key to Democratic wins is adopting a more “progressive” approach.

“The progressive agenda is America’s agenda. It’s not like we’re trying to sell stuff that people don’t want,” she said. “It’s that we haven’t gotten up there and been as clear about our values as we should be, or as clear and concrete about how we’re going to get there.”

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lawhawk  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:51:03am

Lacking a spine, the GOP will look to see how they can bribe fence sitters into selling out their constituents (at least those that they explicitly haven’t already fucked over).

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ObserverArt  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:51:24am

re: #243 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

I like your graphic, and I prefer Deathcare as a name for the GOP plan. But we can always use both.

I just do this for the therapy. It helps me to think things through. I’m not trying to be the one that makes THE ideal graphic statement. If one catches on that is fine. I’m going to keep doing the P’shops any way.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:51:30am

re: #265 Anymouse 🌹

By ‘Single-Payer’, does she (and most progressives) mean that government would pay the insurance companies, or the insurance companies would essentially be bypassed?

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MsJ  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:51:32am

re: #265 Anymouse 🌹

Elizabeth Warren: The Next Step for Democrats is Running on Single-Payer

talkingpointsmemo.com

After a few mothers, fathers, grandparents, etc., have been moved from the nursing home (after spending down their entire life savings to get on Medicaid to allow them to go into a nursing home) back in with the kids or grandkids, people are going to understand how difficult it is to take care of an older person - because most people don’t have the luxury of not having two working adults - it is going to be a rude wake up call when they realize they are going to need a full time babysitter (at best, a nurse at worst) which they will have to pay for themselves, single payer will go through with 85% approval.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:51:59am

Hmmm…guess we got some “energy” news coming

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:52:20am
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MsJ  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:52:34am

re: #268 Sir John Barron

By ‘Single-Payer’, does she (and most progressives) mean that government would pay the insurance companies, or the insurance companies would essentially be bypassed?

True single payer would be where people pay into it via taxes and the government administrates it. No insurance companies.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:52:39am
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b.d.  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:55:18am

re: #273 FormerDirtDart

[Embedded content]

UP OR DOWN VOTE! UP OR DOWN VOTE! UP OR DOWN VOTE!

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 27, 2017 • 10:58:18am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 11:01:34am

re: #268 Sir John Barron

By ‘Single-Payer’, does she (and most progressives) mean that government would pay the insurance companies, or the insurance companies would essentially be bypassed?

The article does not say.

It seems to me that part of what bogs down Democrats is they get bogged down in the weeds on particular points of policy, whilst Republicans sell “big ideas” (whether they are big or not is up for consideration).

Proposing a single-payer system is a “big idea,” which the Democrats could point to and say “if you’re interested in the details, see www dot bigidea dot org.”

Whether single payer is something like CHAMPUS (before the GOP screwed it up with Tricare) where the government directly pays providers, or whether it processes claims from insurance companies or something else is the “details” part that can be worked out and put out there for folks who are interested.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 27, 2017 • 11:06:45am

re: #272 MsJ

True single payer would be where people pay into it via taxes and the government administrates it. No insurance companies.

Well, you could have insurance companies, but they would insure things that would not be considered necessary healthcare. They could also offer supplemental insurance (like you want an upgrade to a private hospital or a private nurse, &c). It just wouldn’t be the way it is now (scores of health insurance companies providing “service,” each with different rules, &c). In fact, with only one payer for the regular needs of insurance (the government, not a corporate monopoly), costs would be reduced across the medical field. (You don’t need thirty different sets of forms for each company, your insurance is good everywhere in the USA, &c.)

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 27, 2017 • 11:09:36am

re: #270 FormerDirtDart

Hmmm…guess we got some “energy” news coming

Heh, heh…Now Spicer will have to answer questions on camera about Senates failed plan to pass BCRA before the July 4th recess

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 27, 2017 • 11:29:02am

re: #254 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The Free Market is seen as some divine, natural state that will regulate and police itself through the purity of its purpose…

Google “Historical example of pure Free Market capitalism”

capitalism.org is the first site that comes up (an Ayn Rand fansite) and they explain “Pure capitalism has never really existed in history, the closest example is 19th century America”

SLAVERY!!!
SWEATSHOPS!!!
RAILROAD BARONS GETTING LAND GRANTS FROM GUBMIT (WHO ALSO DROVE OUT THE NATIVE TRIBES)!!!!!!


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