Monday Night Funk: VULFPECK, “Business Casual” (Feat. Coco O.)

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VULFPECK /// Business Casual
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Coco O. — vocals
Jack Stratton — wurlitzer, composer, mixer
Theo Katzman — bgvs
Woody Goss — wurlitzer
Joe Dart — fender bass
Joey Dosik — bgvs
Antwaun Stanley — bgvs
Rob Stenson — cinematography
Devin Kerr — mastering

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jaunte  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:14:41pm

Coco Maja Hastrup Karshøj

Pressure (Live)

Quadron - Pressure (Live)

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:25:57pm

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JordanRules  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:27:13pm

I think this is the 3rd such video I have seen the msm amplify today.

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jaunte  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:27:40pm
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jaunte  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:32:28pm
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Kragar  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:36:49pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:37:33pm

Really, who is surprised that Willard has supplicated himself before Trump’s feet? We all remember how he talked big right up until he thought he might actually get the SecState job, then he willingly humiliated himself just to be passed over for an Exxon exec.

Much like the #NeverTrump crowd, he’ll rail against Trump when it’s convenient, go back to his “Only the GOP can save America” instincts when it isn’t.

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EPR-radar  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:37:48pm

Seeing Republicans grovel before the Orange Menace is one of the few entertainments to be had in this Trump/GOP catastrophe.

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plansbandc  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:38:22pm

Ole Mitt certainly has a high level of one of the Republican’s prized virtues. Massive, unabashed hypocrisy.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:38:24pm
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Citizen K  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:47:15pm

God I hate David Brooks

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Renaissance_Man  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:47:55pm

re: #3 JordanRules

I think this is the 3rd such video I have seen the msm amplify today.

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I am pleasantly surprised and impressed. A movement like this might actually make a difference - America’s religion of human sacrifice will not be stopped by government action alone. It will take both that and a culture of public shaming, making this idea of gun madness socially unacceptable, just as smoking is. It is in this sort of thing that social media might be used for good.

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EPR-radar  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:50:58pm

re: #9 plansbandc

Ole Mitt certainly has a high level of one of the Republican’s prized virtues. Massive, unabashed hypocrisy.

Romney also has another important GOPer skill: cringing and scraping in the Presence of the Orange Menace.

Like all authoritarians, Romney is happiest when he is personally dictating how someone else should live their life, down to the last details. The second best pleasure for authoritarians is sucking up to someone else that perceived to be in a superior position, mainly in the hopes that this authority figure will order “those people” to live exactly how the authoritarian groveler thinks they should be forced to live.

It’s the ‘grown up’ version of grade-school bullies accumulating a pack of chickenshit hangers-on.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:51:07pm

re: #11 Citizen K

God I hate David Brooks

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First off, these kids are from a red state, secondly when have these red state gun owners ever shown respect? Was it when I’ve seen countless right wing gun memes question my manhood? When told I’m like a Nazi because I want sensible gun laws?

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Stanley Sea  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:53:34pm

Duane Reade is apparently like a Walgreens.

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EPR-radar  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:54:25pm

re: #11 Citizen K

David Brooks can go fuck himself. Gun nuts are called ‘gun nuts’ by sensible people because they are fucking gun nuts. It really is that simple. Candidates running for office have to be more restrained in their language because GOP-biased double standards in the media, but that doesn’t change the fact that gun nuts are gun nuts.

Anyone whose ideas on what to do about school shootings involve putting more guns in schools is fucking nuts.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:55:10pm

re: #14 HappyWarrior

What amazes me about “gun culture” is how often its participants indulge in the fantasy of “I could take you out, I’m dangerous” and “I’m just waiting for X to fuck up so I can start shooting at those people” but also want to be viewed as serious.

I mean, all of their competence fantasies start with the idea that everyone else is stupid, weak, and about to snap at any moment. Their understanding of crime is that it’s strangers and easily-detectable weird people, not the guy next door.

Whether or not they can hit a target is non sequitur when they have no self-awareness, no situational awareness, and no interest in how crime actual goes down.

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JordanRules  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:55:12pm

An important part of my childhood.

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teleskiguy  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:55:19pm

Well that was interesting.

The power was out for about 90 minutes. Good thing I have over a dozen candles. I read some Edward Abbey by candlelight.

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Renaissance_Man  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:56:00pm

re: #11 Citizen K

God I hate David Brooks

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“White males have done something terrible again, Mr Baquet. Yes, we’ll get to work right away on making them feel better. David Brooks is usually reliable. No sir, we can’t have their feelings hurt in any way, I understand, sir.”

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:58:48pm

re: #10 Stanley Sea

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-Roy Moore, credibly accused child molester backed 100% by Trump and the GOP after the allegations came to light.
-Ronald Williams II, the Trump voter fraud commission guy arrested for possession of child pornography.
-Ralph Shortey, Oklahoma State Senator and Trump campaign coordinator convicted of child sex trafficking.

Now this Trump dating website asshole. That’s a disconcerting number of data points tying Trump to accused or convicted pedophiles. It’s even more alarming when you put it into the context of the Pizzagate hoax controversy. It almost seems like conservative conspiracy theorists are really just projecting their own dirty associations onto Democrats.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:59:58pm
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jaunte  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:00:16pm

re: #21 goddamnedfrank

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Targetpractice  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:00:43pm

re: #11 Citizen K

God I hate David Brooks

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Right, we need to bring in Red Staters to tell us how the current laws are already too restrictive, how “law-abiding citizens” should not be forced to jump through legal hoops to own a gun, and how the “real” targets should be the mentally ill and minorities.

David Brooks, never shrinking away from being absolutely wrong on every subject he pontificates about.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:02:15pm

One thing I was thinking about earlier: Mass shootings are almost never carried out by women.

I’m really curious as to why that is.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:03:27pm

re: #17 The Ghost of a Flea

And I say all that as a gun owner.

I literally only ever admit I own firearms on this board, because I don’t want to fucking talk to other people.

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Targetpractice  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:04:30pm

re: #22 FormerDirtDart

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“Too young” to have opinions about gun control, but you can be sure if you asked them if a “responsible” 18 yr old should be allowed to own a gun, they’d not only answer in the affirmative but argue that that “young adult” was the sort of guy the Founders thought of when they wrote the 2nd Amendment.

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:04:40pm

re: #15 Stanley Sea

Duane Reade is apparently like a Walgreens.

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What is Duane Reade? A drug store?

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EPR-radar  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:05:05pm

re: #17 The Ghost of a Flea

What amazes me about “gun culture” is how often its participants indulge in the fantasy of “I could take you out, I’m dangerous” and “I’m just waiting for X to fuck up so I can start shooting at those people” but also want to be viewed as serious.

I mean, all of their competence fantasies start with the idea that everyone else is stupid, weak, and about to snap at any moment. Their understanding of crime is that it’s strangers and easily-detectable weird people, not the guy next door.

Whether or not they can hit a target is non sequitur when they have no self-awareness, no situational awareness, and no interest in how crime actual goes down.

This is the real reason the GOP’s ‘mental health’ deflection will never go anywhere. Any sensible screening along these lines will preferentially take guns away from the gun nuts because they are gun nuts.

For example, much is being made of the Parkland shooter’s social media presence with all the creepy gun fondling. But that’s what gun nuts do online. It’s their version of posing online nude with the 12” strap-on.

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Amory Blaine  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:05:22pm

re: #3 JordanRules

Definitely more worthwhile than eating Tide Pods.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:05:32pm

re: #23 jaunte

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Oh shit I forgot about Hastert. Seriously what the fuck is going on?

I mean, we know what’s going on though, right? Conservatism is intrinsically a backwards looking movement driven by nostalgia for a time when (especially older) white men could exercise their privilege, wealth & power through the sexual dominance and exploitation of the young and the poor.

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ipsos  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:05:47pm

re: #28 MsJ

What is Duane Reade? A drug store?

Yup. A NYC-only chain that was bought out a few years back by Walgreens (though it continues to operate under its own name.)

I can’t conceive of how you could possibly spend $30,000 there, unless you have an obscenely expensive prescription.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:06:45pm

re: #26 The Ghost of a Flea

I literally only ever admit I own firearms on this board, because I don’t want to fucking talk to other people.

Extremely same. People are the goddamned worst.

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plansbandc  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:07:07pm

re: #26 The Ghost of a Flea

We are gun owners also. Made the mistake of saying so once on my alternate FB. Have gotten NRA spam for years because of it.

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:08:45pm

re: #32 ipsos

Yup. A NYC-only chain that was bought out a few years back by Walgreens (though it continues to operate under its own name.)

I can’t conceive of how you could possibly spend $30,000 there, unless you have an obscenely expensive prescription.

Or you’re dealing perception drugs. Or laundering money via kickbacks. “Here, charge $500 and give me $250 back.”

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:08:54pm

re: #31 goddamnedfrank

PREACH

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teleskiguy  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:09:03pm

re: #33 goddamnedfrank

Extremely same. People are the goddamned worst.

Ditto ditto.

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BigPapa  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:09:58pm

re: #31 goddamnedfrank

Oh shit I forgot about Hastert. Seriously what the fuck is going on?

I mean, we know what’s going on though, right? Conservatism is intrinsically a backwards looking movement driven by nostalgia for a time when (especially older) white men could exercise their privilege, wealth & power through the sexual dominance and exploitation of the young and the poor.

Well when you put it like that it sounds sorta bad and shit.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:10:12pm

re: #30 Amory Blaine

Clearly you haven’t had a properly prepared Tide Pod.

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EPR-radar  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:11:04pm

re: #31 goddamnedfrank

Oh shit I forgot about Hastert. Seriously what the fuck is going on?

I mean, we know what’s going on though, right? Conservatism is intrinsically a backwards looking movement driven by nostalgia for a time when (especially older) white men could exercise their privilege, wealth & power through the sexual dominance and exploitation of the young and the poor.

To date, the US conservative movement has not found a truly satisfying replacement ritual for the part of a lynching where a black male victim was castrated.

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BigPapa  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:11:40pm

I still think the whole Tide Pods thing was a psycho cynical marketing ploy.

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teleskiguy  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:12:23pm

I was typing this tweet out when the power went out. It is now a tweet almost two hours later.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:13:01pm

re: #25 Eclectic Cyborg

One thing I was thinking about earlier: Mass shootings are almost never carried out by women.

I’m really curious as to why that is.

One gender is constantly told that their anger is a form of validity. And that if they’re pissed, someone did something that *made* them angry in a way that demands either redress of retribution.

(Or am I being literal and missing sarcasm?)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:14:29pm

re: #42 teleskiguy

I was typing this tweet out when the power went out. It is now a tweet almost two hours later.

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Cuck.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:14:57pm

re: #18 JordanRules

Every single Storycorps makes me cry.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:15:40pm

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teleskiguy  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:15:58pm

re: #44 HappyWarrior

I hate that fucking word.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:17:13pm

re: #28 MsJ

What is Duane Reade? A drug store?

Like a Walgreens

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:18:31pm

John Oliver takes on the issue of the Parkland, Fla. shooting, specifically calling out the Republican congressman about culture, prayer in school, Tide Pods, and watching “The Andy Griffith Show.”

His clip from “The Andy Griffith Show” right at the end calls out the BS of the NRA and their apparatchiks. (3:04)

John Oliver - Parkland School Shooting

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Targetpractice  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:22:31pm

re: #43 The Ghost of a Flea

One gender is constantly told that their anger is a form of validity. And that if they’re pissed, someone did something that *made* them angry in a way that demands either redress of retribution.

(Or am I being literal and missing sarcasm?)

One gender is told that it’s “right” to be angry over a perceived slight, and that the only way they can regain face/honor/respect/pride/etc is to get revenge.

The other gender is told they need to “smile more” because men don’t like it when they frown all the time.

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retired cynic  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:25:39pm

re: #12 Renaissance_Man

I am pleasantly surprised and impressed. A movement like this might actually make a difference - America’s religion of human sacrifice will not be stopped by government action alone. It will take both that and a culture of public shaming, making this idea of gun madness socially unacceptable, just as smoking is. It is in this sort of thing that social media might be used for good.

I bet the gun makers are delighted. They get to make another one… Signed, still a cynic.

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scottslemmons  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:25:50pm

re: #50 Targetpractice

One gender is told that it’s “right” to be angry over a perceived slight, and that the only way they can regain face/honor/respect/pride/etc is to get revenge.

The other gender is told they need to “smile more” because men don’t like it when they frown all the time.

Related thread:

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Citizen K  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:27:04pm

re: #43 The Ghost of a Flea

One gender is constantly told that their anger is a form of validity. And that if they’re pissed, someone did something that *made* them angry in a way that demands either redress of retribution.

(Or am I being literal and missing sarcasm?)

It’s not even just that their anger is a form of validity, but that anger is the only valid emotion a man is supposed to have. Anything else, especially sadness, fear, or concern, is somehow grounds for not being a ‘real man’. ‘Real men’ are meant to be aggressive, proactive, and willing to use force to solve their problems, especially as a first resort.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:28:55pm

re: #53 Citizen K

Yes. That is a better way of putting it.

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JordanRules  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:29:32pm

re: #51 retired cynic

They were gonna do that anyway.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:30:43pm

re: #25 Eclectic Cyborg

One thing I was thinking about earlier: Mass shootings are almost never carried out by women.

I’m really curious as to why that is.

What’s weird is that the first mass school shooting was an extreme outlier, carried out by a 16 year old girl using a Ruger 10/22 rimfire rifle. She lived across the street from an elementary school and just decided to shoot at the kids one morning, killed the Principal and a Janitor as they tried to get the kids to safety.

A reporter reached Spencer by phone while she was still in the house after the shooting, and asked her why she did it. She answered: “I don’t like Mondays. This livens up the day,”

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teleskiguy  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:33:45pm

re: #56 goddamnedfrank

I’d argue that the first school massacre in modern history was the Bath School disaster in Michigan in 1927. That was a bombing, though.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:33:54pm

re: #25 Eclectic Cyborg

One thing I was thinking about earlier: Mass shootings are almost never carried out by women.

I’m really curious as to why that is.

We had such a shooter in a Chicago suburb in 1988 — Laurie Dann. She shot several children at a school, murdering one, fled by car, and eventually killed herself when she was trapped in a home she had entered. She had also tried poisons, a bomb, can of gasoline to attack others. en.wikipedia.org

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:36:31pm

re: #56 goddamnedfrank

Admittedly this is me spinning plates, but…kind of like in serial crime, women tend to assert power within a cultural frame, punching down on targets that are underneath them. Hence the immense number of nurse murderers, killers of the elderly and children, and the comparative scarcity of straight-out stalk-and-kill female serial criminals.

eta: there’s also the interesting variation of women murdering boarders and guests…which again, is a variation of the idea of targeting a dependent (within a limited frame).

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:40:05pm

re: #41 BigPapa

I still think the whole Tide Pods thing was a psycho cynical marketing ploy.

If only we could persuade gun nuts to start eating their ammo. It’s got electrolytes, you know.

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Targetpractice  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:42:25pm

You just know if there were at least one student or parent begging to know why there weren’t “more” armed guards, why teachers aren’t armed, and why the school isn’t built like a max-security prison, they’d be the darling of the far-right. They’d be on Faux, they’d be getting interviews by Breitbart, they’d even get glowing articles in the “liberal” press about how they’re advocating “common sense” responses to the shooting.

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JordanRules  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:48:44pm
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Stanley Sea  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:49:51pm
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JordanRules  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:51:25pm

re: #25 Eclectic Cyborg

Lots of good replies, insights and such to your query.. To me, it’s all encompassed by toxic masculinity.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:53:09pm

re: #59 The Ghost of a Flea

Further plate-spinning:

Back to the idea of a cultural frame to the use of power: Folie a deux criminal pairs—killer couples—demonstrate that when they perceive themselves as having license—bestowed by a male partners (or more than one, in a few cases) acting as proxies, women can and do exercise sadism and violence in a way that’s much like male serial criminals.

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teleskiguy  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:56:14pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:56:54pm

re: #46 FormerDirtDart

Holy fucking hell!

When I saw the headline I thought it was the Onion. I can’t decide whether this is one of the saddest or most awesome things I’ve seen all day.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:58:01pm

re: #43 The Ghost of a Flea

No sarcasm missed. I genuinely want to get to the root of what drives these monsters.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:00:46pm

re: #47 teleskiguy

I hate that fucking word.

I do too which is why I use it to mock them.

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teleskiguy  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:03:05pm

Five days the United States has gone without a gun massacre. Baby steps.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:04:00pm

re: #64 JordanRules

Lots of good replies, insights and such to your query.. To me, it’s all encompassed by toxic masculinity.

I’m inclined to agree. I’ve gone to great lengths to set a good example for my nephews. Their father was pissed when one of them wanted to do artsy stuff instead of play football.

I took the boy to Michaels one afternoon and we picked out some supplies and crafted together. We had a great bonding time.

I don’t understand why men can’t get this.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:05:57pm

re: #71 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m inclined to agree. I’ve gone to great lengths to set a good example for my nephews. Their father was pissed when one of them wanted to do artsy stuff instead of play football.

I took the boy to Michaels one afternoon and we picked out some supplies and crafted together. We had a great bonding time.

I don’t understand why men can’t get this.

While I enjoy football, I’m always happy to say my Dad was far into music than sports. No Sunday afternoons where Dad disappeared into the den or unrealistic expectations for our athletics.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:08:16pm

re: #70 teleskiguy

Five days the United States has gone without a gun massacre. Baby steps.

Actually, no.

Five People Including Five-Year-Old Boy Shot Outside San Antonio Roadhouse (goes to the San Antonio Current)

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JordanRules  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:20:18pm

Too funny.

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JordanRules  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:22:32pm
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JordanRules  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:24:39pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:27:30pm

re: #76 JordanRules

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teleskiguy  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:35:36pm
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JordanRules  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:38:28pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:52:57pm

re: #79 JordanRules

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Unfortunately as long as the NRA has a stranglehold on the Republican party and Fox News parrots NRA talking points, we cannot expect anything effective to emerge.

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JordanRules  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:03:34pm

re: #80 Hecuba’s daughter

We shall see. November is coming and I’m ready to work my ass off.

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JordanRules  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:07:55pm
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Scout  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:10:48pm

re: #79 JordanRules

This is my president:

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:21:04pm

I may have posted this before. Old timer’s disease means you can re-watch a series over and over and it’s like new each time.

I’m sure I heard their backup vocalist somewhere.//

Big Brother and The Holding Company — Mr. Natural (1970)

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fern01  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:28:17pm

re: #11 Citizen K

God I hate David Brooks

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He defines the NYT. Last week I cancelled my subscription. Only reason I took it up was a cheap monthly special. Thought I would last until the 2018 election. Lasted 2 months - even at rock bottom rates - not worth it.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:29:36pm

Chemistry prof daughter sent this:

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:39:04pm

re: #68 Eclectic Cyborg

No sarcasm missed. I genuinely want to get to the root of what drives these monsters.

My standing position is that the public mass shooter lies in the same spectrum as the family annihilator (that is, mass murder only with a limited social frame), the domestic murderer, and the domestic abuser.

Common features that are present in different proportions (spoilered because I’m being blunt about disturbing things):

- external locus of control. Their violence is seen as a reaction, a re-assertion of power, hence the endless variations of “why did you make me do this?” in domestic abuse/murder. In extreme cases, this manifests as true paranoia (think Jared Loughner), but is also present in conspiracy theories and cleaving to various -isms that proclaim a Manichean culture war, and the old fashioned misogyny (in which the woman supposedly knows better but performs an act that merits harms, and is thus the “aggressor”).

That sense of deprivation of power may explain the suicide run of the spree*: the shooter can’t perceive a long-term “win” (contrary to the serial abuser, who sees a path to controlling the abused), and thus the momentary “win” of the spree—followed by going out on top, egoistic suicide—seems like the best option.

* However! I’m not sure that all spree shooters start their brutal act with death in mind. At least some imagine themselves getting away or continuing their spree. So “locus of control” is not a fixed number, more like a spectrum from “no perception of ability to regain power” to “desperate to continue exercising the fleeting power of the spree.” The domestic killer and/or occasional family annihilator who escapes and sets up a new family demonstrates that locus of control is not necessarily a fixed value: killing and getting away with it resets the value.

- narcissism. So many variations on this, but mostly just an inability to relate to people as anything but use-value entities. This can be seen in the crimes where sexual resentment is the justification (San Bernadino, the Montreal shooting, every “man kills ex and her family”) with the greatest clarity, and also in various supremacist -isms that make the targets lesser people, but it is also present in the grandiose Raskolnikov-like justifications that invoke a superiority-as-predator or inherent greatness. Indeed, manifestos in general are less “explanations” and more assertions of narcissism by assembling a pseudo-intellectual frame for what’s basically a masturbatory act.

Abusive relationships tend to crop up in spree shooter backgrounds, and it’s likely a reflection of this use-value quality to how they view other people. Those that fail to serve a specific desired function are targeted. In most cases, that’s wives and girlfriends and exes who have “failed” in some specific way, and the constellation of associates for abetting that “failure.” In some cases, it’s people in general, because the internal cosmos of the more grandiose spree-killer simply declares everyone else less useful. Belief-specific targeting—misogyny, racism, et cetera—incorporates this too. Personally, I suspect that Sandy Hook was about what Adam Lanza wanted from children (to abuse them) but couldn’t find a path to…kind of like the man who took over the Amish school years ago.

And it’s not a coincidence that spree shooters tend to be male, and generally white: narcissism has a cultural component, and privileged individuals leap to a place of narcissistic injury faster. Which is a big part of the phenomenon of “toxic masculinity”: the sense of entitlement to rage, cruelty, and expression of antisocial impulses.

- sadism. Not expressed in the same way as a serial criminal, where power/sex drives more and more elaborate (and eventually ritualized) expressions of power and control…including desecration of corpses, trophy keeping, necrophilia, and cannibalism…because “dead versus alive” isn’t a meaningful distinction relative to the need to keep asserting power. Your domestic killer is generally trying to maintain a power relationship, fails, and then moves to killing spontaneously, killing as part of incompetent use of physical coercion, or as a premediated act of revenge. But for the spree killer the act of killing is a kind of climax, and the planning/rehearsal phase is all about the erotism of power, the fantasy of total control (specifically in contrast to the sense that power has been taken away, or respect not given).

That there’s a spectrum involved in this can be seen in things like taunting during the spree itself, pre-emptive villification of the targets as inferiors—another role filled by manifestos and “explanations.”

- low empathy and primarily interacting with power and dominance in mind. This is a corollary of “narcissism” and “sadism” but bears its own entry, because I suspect the degree of need for power determines the pattern of the violence. A domestic killer is a failed domestic abuser, trying to create a long-term power dynamic that has a social frame, but spree killers express variable degrees of permanently asserting power over targets. Domestic murders are about personal power exchanges—spree killings are about more about an amorphous sense of being unjustly down-power relative to people in general or a specific group (women and co-workers being a common specific group), though that’s not absolute certainty. There are patterns like: killing family members before initiating the public spree; targeting someone specific before expanding the scope of violence (many people are shot, but the specific target is the ex, being the best example) that demonstrate that specific grievances are turned into general grievances (Charles Dorner is a great example of an ever-expanding list of persecutors that merited harm, even thought the starting point was narcissistic injury in the workplace).

ETA:

In effect, serial abusers and serial killers are trying to extend a power dynamic, and plan and strategize with that in mind. Both repeat, finding new targets, to meet their needs. Both experiment with new power assertion methods when deprived of their preferred operation mode: for example, serial killers are very adept at messing with psychologists, other inmates, “fans” using only narratives and minor social assertions of power (Edmund Kemper being the master, basically whole-cloth inventing excuses for his own behavior and selling them to profilers desperate for a deep-psychology explanation of sexualized serial crime inn return for small in-prison perks…Kemper thus asserting power over his reviled mother, and the profilers he duped, the prison system itself, and every asshole that believed him.) Domestic murderers and spree killers are trying to end a power dynamic as a final assertion of dominance.

- a specific breaking point in which desire, or desperation, transcends calculation of other means of obtaining power/sadistic/narcissistic needs. Again, this is best looked at in comparison to serial crime. There are serial killers for whom murder is enjoyable but about immediate needs—kill to take shit, kill to retaliate against perceived harm; kill because you can get paid to kill—who just go on and on. There are serial killers who have a very specific, fetishistic need that they want to fulfill over and over, hence the mix of predatory behavior (seeking targets) and opportunism (seizing targets that jump into view) and covering behavior (hiding so that the need can be fulfilled over and over). The domestic murderer and the spree killer generally reach the place of “I want to kill” after failing to see or execute alternatives—healthy alternatives (such as letting go of the need for power assertion), unhealthy but viable strategies (the skillset that permits long term domestic abuse, or finding a job that allows indulgence of power/sadism needs), or the serial killer pattern of addressing those needs as maintenance. Even spree killers that plan to get away plan in terms of “escape current lifestyle, maybe continue spree” rather than try to completely conceal themselves.*

The familicide John List is a very interesting demonstration of this point of arriving at a moment of desperation after failing other strategies, since he got away and started a whole second life before getting caught. With his first family, he had a tightly set-up abuse structure that met his needs until his work life and financial failures made him feel ashamed…thus desperate…thus willing to “fix” the issue by killing everyone and making a new family.

ETA:

An interesting example of this “down power, must fix with extreme measures” is the Las Vegas shooting, because it gestures at, of all things, the geopolitical scale at which this shit can work. The minute it turned out that the shooter was wealthy and spent time in SE Asia, what occurred to me was…Colonel Kurtz. Big dollar money in the developing world is an example of a perfect setup to abuse power…and sure enough, there’s signs that he was deep into child trafficking. Hitting a moment where he becomes down power by losing money—and maybe by catching wind that the law was after him, given what happened with his brother being arrested (after the shooting), we may be looking at an especially large scale narcissistic tantrum. I mean, that’s fucking dark, but none of these crimes really makes sense outside of “fuck everybody, I feel hurt and somebody’s going to get hurt to make me feel big.”

* though as we’ve just seen with Cruz trying to slip away unidentified, this is not a set value.

All of the above means that mental illness can exacerbate that lack of empathy/sadism/power need triad. Paranoia and delusions mean leaping to that critical moment of feeling out of control and overwhelmed by external forces. Anger issues (not that we have a robust pathology for anger, because our culture is fucked) mean rashness and less planning. Depression and anxiety mean a struggle to see a long term. But no mental illness completely explains the final choice of action.

In the same way, cultural factors, scaling from family influence to national/regional culture, can chop and channel the leap to mass killing. Misogyny turns up a great deal, because it the single most common cultural component that encourages lack of empathy/assertion of power/dehumanization of the target. The idea of masculinity as defined by aggression and “hitting back” dovetails with this,* as does a more general idea of lethal force as personal empowerment.

* and somewhere in here, instead of comparing with serial killers, there’s a case to be made for comparison with honor killings, honor culture violence like feuding, and even pre-modern social structures that included killing as a response to injury of personal or collective dignity (such as summary executions by samurai, vigilante violence in a caste structure, lynchings) .

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Renaissance_Man  Feb 20, 2018 • 12:03:00am

re: #87 The Ghost of a Flea

Your thesis is fantastic.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 20, 2018 • 12:18:07am

re: #88 Renaissance_Man

I am a big fan of Foucault, who is very eloquent about power and sex in both healthy and unhealthy dynamics…and the guy that pointed to De Sade’s one good observation about people. I’m also a fan of Richard Walter—who’s part of the Vidocq Society—who profiles but is also acerbically disinterested in the sort of “deep” “mommy was indifferent to me” profiling that is embedded in the popular imagination. He’s Foucaltian in his analysis—the criminal is asserting power in some way, look for the indicators in the crime of what kind of power assertion is happening, and what that likely means about the perp—though I don’t think he actually invokes Foucault.

Being a guy who majored in genocide (basically) and vectored off into mass killings in general, I think there’s cross-cultural comparisons that we don’t make specifically because of white privilege. “Honor killings are shit that backwards brown people do, not civilized Caucasians” is implicit in a lot of the analysis of these kinds of spree murders—and domestic violence in general. One of the things CL and I used to talk about was how Islamic “honor killings” of brides and daughters wasn’t some kind of culture-bound syndrome, but part of a larger picture of shitty power/control/misogyny stuff that the US doesn’t like to admit is still in our makeup.

That’s pretty much what I’m hybridizing. Doubtless if I were actually in the field I’d find authors already covering this.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 20, 2018 • 12:41:36am
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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 20, 2018 • 12:41:38am

re: #87 The Ghost of a Flea

You should post this to the right-hand column of LGF as an article.

I just got back from driving around the village and raising the flags back to full-staff after the country’s latest mass shooting. Being out in 0F weather freezing my hands off whilst driving around on powder snow-covered streets in fog and coming home to slightly frostbitten hands is about how my spirit feels at the moment.

On the other hand, the mass of students and adults who have said “this far and no more” seems like a sea-change on the issue of gun violence. Rep. Paul Ryan’s clueless response to the teacher at his fund-raiser (I don’t want to talk about politics) just adds to the disconnect that conservatives have from the electorate.

When it comes to school shootings, it doesn’t matter if you are a conservative voter, or a liberal voter, or even a non-voter. Especially if you have school-aged children all you want is for the violence to end.

The students out in public now, taking to the airwaves and newspapers whilst conservative politicians hide from the press is going to shape this year’s election campaigns. An awful lot of students in every state of the nation will be eligible to vote in this election.

Moreover, they are reaching out to the survivors of other shootings (Virginia Tech, Columbine, Sandy Hook, &c).

While this might not end the NRA as an organisation, it does look like their influence is now a negative for a politician.

What would be best for the NRA would be to go back to its roots (promoting gun safety, hunting, history and collections, gunsmithing, &c). If they do not, they may very well be swept away, along with the politicians they support in either party.

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 20, 2018 • 1:05:19am

We seem to be in a cool period in California. I stepped outside to look at the stars and I got cold really fast. I came inside and looked at the thermometer, it’s 35 and might become the year low by morning.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 20, 2018 • 1:11:42am

re: #92 Single-handed sailor

We seem to be in a cool period in California. I stepped outside to look at the stars and I got cold really fast. I came inside and looked at the thermometer, it’s 35 and might become the year low by morning.

That’s about thirty-five degrees warmer than it is here (my hot water pipe was frozen when I came back inside to thaw my hands).

Want some snow? (I know Teleskiguy would like our snow to be falling further south of us, like over Colorado’s mountains, though our aquifer is replenished by snowfall in the winter so we need it too.)

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 20, 2018 • 1:15:39am

Snowfall has pretty much ended in Wyoming. Here we are under a winter weather advisory, with a winter storm warning in the next county north.

weather.gov (Cheyenne NWS regional weather).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2018 • 1:19:10am

Perfect wintry weather here on the Rhine, just above freezing, sunny, calm and pleasant.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 20, 2018 • 1:23:04am

re: #95 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Perfect wintry weather here on the Rhine, just above freezing, sunny, calm and pleasant.

Radar shows the heaviest bands of snow here are from Harrisburg, Nebraska (population 100, the county seat of Banner County) to the southwest to an area east of Steamboat Springs, Colorado.

That whole line is moving northeast, and the storm system is moving east, so it will be here soon. We’re about to get a dump-ex of snow.

wunderground.com

(cross hairs north of Sidney on the map is my home. Zoom in about forty times to see it.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2018 • 1:26:15am

re: #96 Anymouse 🌹

I recall stopping at Steamboat Springs ca 1973 on our family trip to Yellowstone and Grand Tetons. I guess that’s about as close as I have ever come to your home town.

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 20, 2018 • 1:27:26am

Yes, it’s been a dry winter with only 7.87” of rain for the season (July to June). Our next chance of rain is March 2nd, with a 60% chance…

We’ve been having 80 degree days and the ornamental pear tree in our front yard is in full bloom, solid white with flower. It looks like a giant 20 foot dandelion puffball.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 20, 2018 • 1:35:27am

re: #97 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I recall stopping at Steamboat Springs ca 1973 on our family trip to Yellowstone and Grand Tetons. I guess that’s about as close as I have ever come to your home town.

People don’t come to my town unless they are hopelessly lost or completely unhinged. /s

Actually that’s not true: We are on the Oregon Trail (and thus the road through town is a National Historic Place). We even have a friend coming by from Omaha to visit on his way back from his annual Colorado beer pub hajj, and last year we had a friend who came by when he was traveling to Yellowstone.

(The second fellow I mentioned saw the town sign and said, hey, that’s where Anymouse lives. He then spent about twenty minutes at the general store asking where I lived in town with locals giving him the side eye wondering why an out-of-stater was asking about me.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2018 • 1:44:20am

re: #99 Anymouse 🌹

People don’t come to my town unless they are hopelessly lost or completely unhinged. /s

Actually that’s not true: We are on the Oregon Trail (and thus the road through town is a National Historic Place).

But traffic kinda died down on that route once settles stopped emigrating…

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austin_blue  Feb 20, 2018 • 1:58:46am

re: #11 Citizen K

God I hate David Brooks

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He’s the ultimate oleaginous mansplainer.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 20, 2018 • 2:03:57am

re: #100 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

But traffic kinda died down on that route once settles stopped emigrating…

They’re still emigrating (out).

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 20, 2018 • 2:08:38am

Christian values… .

Ohio pastor and family burst into Sunday school class, beat up teacher — and rob her at gunpoint: police (goes to Raw Story)

A Toledo pastor and two family members have been charged with felonies for allegedly beating and robbing a Sunday school teacher at church.

Pastor Anthony Morris and his wife, Zelda Morris, and daughter Kamali Morris were each charged with aggravated robbery with a deadly weapon, a first-degree felony, after the incident Sunday at St. Paul’s AME Zion Church, reported the Toledo Blade.

(more)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2018 • 2:15:07am

re: #103 Anymouse 🌹

Christian values… .

Ohio pastor and family burst into Sunday school class, beat up teacher — and rob her at gunpoint: police (goes to Raw Story)

(more)

This says more about the absurdity of human nature than about Christianity itself.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 20, 2018 • 2:20:52am

re: #104 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This says more about the absurdity of human nature than about Christianity itself.

It does say that morals don’t come from Christianity though.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2018 • 2:26:47am

re: #105 Anymouse 🌹

It does say that morals don’t come from Christianity though.

That is one of those absurd assumptions.

We see the opposite from many people, namely that practicioners of a particular religion (Islam, Judaism, etc.) are somehow immoral, violent, avaricious and/or out to seek world dominance.

Or that atheists/agnostics cannot be moral at all because they do not worship/fear the correct god.

.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 20, 2018 • 2:36:41am

I just got an E-mail from my sister about her wife’s memorial service.

It turns out my sister (who lives in the Los Angeles area) forgot I don’t have a Facebook account so the details about the memorial service didn’t get to me. She just contacted me to tell me it’s Saturday.

I have to tell her I cannot come: we currently have a blizzard, and mandatory water tests on Wednesday. Had she remembered I don’t live in a First World nation like California and contacted me using a novel device like a telephone, I could have made arrangements.

I regret not being able to go, and passed that on to her.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 20, 2018 • 2:40:07am

The memorial is public, so if anyone wants to go on my wife’s and my behalf to offer our condolences and note that there are others she probably doesn’t know about who also care, and live in the LA area, the details are behind the hide bar.

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austin_blue  Feb 20, 2018 • 2:57:22am

re: #87 The Ghost of a Flea

My standing position is that the public mass shooter lies in the same spectrum as the family annihilator (that is, mass murder only with a limited social frame), the domestic murderer, and the domestic abuser.

Common features that are present in different proportions (spoilered because I’m being blunt about disturbing things):

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Also known as “If you leave me, nobody will ever love you again.”

Power. Control. Narcissism.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 20, 2018 • 3:12:37am

re: #106 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is one of those absurd assumptions.

We see the opposite from many people, namely that practicioners of a particular religion (Islam, Judaism, etc.) are somehow immoral, violent, avaricious and/or out to seek world dominance.

Or that atheists/agnostics cannot be moral at all because they do not worship/fear the correct god..

Only yesterday I wrote another one of my apologetics fails (not yet up on my wife’s Website but sent out in E-mail) on the fail “atheism is nihilism.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2018 • 3:13:02am

re: #25 Eclectic Cyborg

One thing I was thinking about earlier: Mass shootings are almost never carried out by women.

I’m really curious as to why that is.

One could claim that women are simply stronger and braver than men, and carrying out a mass shooting of helpless, unarmed victims is a sign of weakness and cowardice.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2018 • 3:14:28am

re: #110 Anymouse 🌹

Only yesterday I wrote another one of my apologetics fails (not yet up on my wife’s Website but sent out in E-mail) on the fail “atheism is nihilism.”

One of the most absurd leaps is “There is a spiritual/moral force guiding the universe” to “Every word in the Christian Bible is the literal truth”.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 20, 2018 • 3:51:17am

re: #112 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

One of the most absurd leaps is “There is a spiritual/moral force guiding the universe” to “Every word in the Christian Bible is the literal truth”.

Without any demonstration of that spiritual (what does that word even mean, anyway, since every person seems to have a different definition for it) or moral force, but I’m just supposed to accept that on faith.

I wish my bank would accept on faith that I have ten million dollars in my checking account and they should just let me write a cheque for “cash” on that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2018 • 4:00:50am

re: #113 Anymouse 🌹

Without any demonstration of that spiritual (what does that word even mean, anyway, since every person seems to have a different definition for it) or moral force, but I’m just supposed to accept that on faith.

I wish my bank would accept on faith that I have ten million dollars in my checking account and they should just let me write a cheque for “cash” on that.

I would like to believe that there is such a force in the universe, but that is a matter of personal faith.

I also think that it is worthwhile from a cultural and standpoint, especially as a member of Western civilization, to study the Bible and its historical context.

And it is the latter that led to my first crisis of faith as a teenager when I came to understand that the Bible is inconsistent, contradictory in places and not to be understood literally.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 20, 2018 • 4:18:02am

re: #114 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

A good number of atheists who were once Christians say they arrived at the position of atheism by reading the Bible.

I never was a Christian so I do not understand things like “spiritual” or “faith in things unseen.” I have read both the Bible and Qur’an several times.

I don’t really hold them in context of the history of so-called Western civilization, except as how they have been used to justify just about every atrocity committed until they were dragged kicking and screaming forward by the Enlightenment.

There is a reason they called that period “the Dark Ages.”

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 20, 2018 • 4:18:27am

If Nikolas Cruz was receiving SSDI payments, I wonder if he used those proceeds to purchase his AR-15?

After Mr. Trump focused on mental health in his national address on Thursday in response to the Parkland shooting, many journalists, activists and others, like Mr. Kimmel, noted the repeal of a rule that would have prevented “seriously mentally ill” people from purchasing guns.

Federal law already bars anyone who “has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution” from purchasing a gun. And a majority of states have laws requiring them to report mental health information to the national background check system. But gaps in the system still exist.

After the Newtown shooting, President Obama proposed adding another data source to the background check system: reports from the Social Security Administration of people who receive disability benefits through a third party because of mental impairments. According to a 2016 White House fact sheet, the rule would have affected 75,000 people.

It was opposed by the National Rifle Association, but also the American Civil Liberties Union, which said the rule violated civil rights. Some disability rights groups also argued against the rule on the basis that it perpetuated stigmas about mental illness.

Mr. Trump signed a congressional resolution that expressed disapproval of the proposed rule in February 2017, nine months before compliance would have been required.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2018 • 4:22:48am

re: #115 Anymouse 🌹

I kind of went the other way: I was totally put off Christianity by a Catholic upbringing, and all the Campus Crusade for Christ twits knock on my dorm room door in college.

It was not until later in life that I met people who quietly but convincingly practiced their Christian faith without being preachy or pious about it and started to see that there were positive aspects to it: not enough to convert me, but enough to reawaken my interest in studying it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2018 • 4:24:58am

re: #116 Shropshire Slasher

It was opposed by the National Rifle Association, but also the American Civil Liberties Union, which said the rule violated civil rights. Some disability rights groups also argued against the rule on the basis that it perpetuated stigmas about mental illness.

you mean the stereotype that they are prone to go about shooting up schools, university campuses, PP clinics, cinemas and concerts?

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 20, 2018 • 4:25:38am

re: #116 Shropshire Slasher

If Nikolas Cruz was receiving SSDI payments, I wonder if he used those proceeds to purchase his AR-15?

From that article:

Nikolas Cruz, who has been linked to a history of mental illness, is believed to have used a legally obtained AR-15 in the shooting.

Linked? By who? What source? Have others intimate with the alleged mass murderer (family, friends, &c) confirmed “mental illness” or is this just a knee-jerk reaction by the New York Times (blogs said he was mentally ill, so it must be true).

As for SSDI payments, they are pretty hard to qualify for as I understand (I can’t get them because I worked for exactly one Social Security quarter and thus Social Security has rejected my claim - already fought and lost on appeal, doesn’t matter the reason I only worked one quarter was because I could not hold the job with my conditions).

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 20, 2018 • 4:37:30am

As for regular social security, I can qualify in five more years (at age sixty-two), or wait for larger payments (when I am sixty-five).

I’ve pretty much already gotten used to the idea of living in poverty (my biggest bill is my Internet service, which takes over 15% of my VA disability), so sixty-two is not necessarily my consideration.

I’m primarily left with three issues:

a) No life insurance company will issue a policy (at least one I can afford) to a person with epilepsy. I have to save up to die.
b) I have already outlived all the men in my family anyone can remember for generations.
c) If the libertarian nihilists conservatives in the government get their way, Wall Street will make the Social Security Trust Fund disappear managing the Social Security Trust Fund. It might not be there in eight years.

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 20, 2018 • 4:40:19am

re: #119 Anymouse 🌹

He may have gotten a death benefit from SSDI when his mother passed as well. Many time children of SSDI recipients also get a payment, and once the children become adults, they sometimes can be considered qualified for being disabled under the law.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 20, 2018 • 4:43:59am

re: #121 Shropshire Slasher

He may have gotten a death benefit from SSDI when his mother passed as well. Many time children of SSDI recipients also get a payment, and once the children become adults, they sometimes can be considered qualified for being disabled under the law.

But so far everything is speculation. We’re still back to the issue of no one who would be in a position to know has claimed he was mentally ill. The NYT is just pushing the narrative that “mentally ill people are dangerous.”

As for adult children of SSDI recipients (and there is also no evidence his parents received those either), adult children are still required to qualify the same as everyone else.

As Social Security itself notes, the only way those payments can continue is if the child enters college, or the child is himself or herself disabled.

ssa.gov

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MsJ  Feb 20, 2018 • 4:53:29am

They’re (CareFirst) trying to get the SCOTUS to require actual harm in data breaches to sue, instead of being able to sue over the data breach itself.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2018 • 5:00:39am

re: #122 Anymouse 🌹

As Social Security itself notes, the only way those payments can continue is if the child enters college, or the child is himself or herself disabled.

My dad died when I was seven and US Steel embezzled my mom out of her widow’s pension (she later received a class action suit settlement on that) but we lived on SS payments and whatever my mom could earn under the table.

I was a prodigal student and skipped the second grade. So I did not want to lose SS payments, which continue until the semester ending on one’s 22nd birthday, so I enrolled in Indiana University in Bloomington at age 17.

That was a big mistake, it was a major party school in the 70’s and although I could certainly keep up academically, I was just not socially or emotionally developed enough and I pretty much wasted my first two semesters there.

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jeffreyw  Feb 20, 2018 • 5:01:12am

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Good morning!

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MsJ  Feb 20, 2018 • 5:04:52am

LOL

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Dave In Austin  Feb 20, 2018 • 5:05:34am

re: #18 JordanRules

Thank you. We could us a few more Freds in the world.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 20, 2018 • 5:17:35am

Nothing should shock us at this point:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2018 • 5:22:40am

re: #128 Dr. Matt

Man featured in ads for pro-Trump dating site was convicted of child sex crimes:

I really want to see the spin put on this: victim of a smear campaign?

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Dr. Matt  Feb 20, 2018 • 5:25:01am

re: #129 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I really want to see the spin put on this: victim of a smear campaign?

WHY IS THE MEDIA REPORTING THIS AND NOT TRUMP’S SOARING DOW!!!!!??????

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BlueGrl21  Feb 20, 2018 • 5:29:01am

re: #50 Targetpractice

One gender is told that it’s “right” to be angry over a perceived slight, and that the only way they can regain face/honor/respect/pride/etc is to get revenge.

The other gender is told they need to “smile more” because men don’t like it when they frown all the time.

1. Men tend to project anger outwards, women take it inwards.
2. Men are more aggressive. A good example is ways they tend to commit suicide….women take poison or overdose, men choose guns or hanging.
3. Both of those are societal messages but there is also evidence that testosterone is involved.
4. Psychopathology is found more in men. Don’t discount what lack of empathy will do when combined with toxic masculinity.
5. There is the “what is it to be a man,” aggression that boils over into sexual assault, violence, and even mass shootings.

Coach Husband has a program he teaches that is about training boys to not follow the messages above. He’s won all kinds of awards in Houston for it, including Houston Coach of the Year twice. I’ve seen the HUGE difference it makes in young men when they’re taught not to buy into the aggression, bravado, and entitlement. My sons are being raised the same way.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 20, 2018 • 5:32:52am
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Dave In Austin  Feb 20, 2018 • 5:33:22am
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wheat-dogg  Feb 20, 2018 • 5:35:38am

re: #107 Anymouse 🌹

I just got an E-mail from my sister about her wife’s memorial service.

It turns out my sister (who lives in the Los Angeles area) forgot I don’t have a Facebook account so the details about the memorial service didn’t get to me. She just contacted me to tell me it’s Saturday.

I have to tell her I cannot come: we currently have a blizzard, and mandatory water tests on Wednesday. Had she remembered I don’t live in a First World nation like California and contacted me using a novel device like a telephone, I could have made arrangements.

I regret not being able to go, and passed that on to her.

It bothers me that people assume EVERYONE uses Facebook, and that they check it every day — or hour, even. I’ve had something similar happen to me, with my family, some of whom forget that China blocks Facebook and that I (unlike they) do not live on FB anyway.

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 20, 2018 • 5:42:59am

I guess the Dollar Store pays better than I thought:

The Florida school shooter had obtained 10 rifles in the year before he went on his killing spree, a report said on Tuesday.

A law enforcement source told CNN that Nikolas Cruz had gotten possession of the firearms and authorities were trying to track down where they all came from.

Two of the weapons were purchased from Gun World of South Florida in Deerfield Beach, CNN reported.

But the store’s owner would not provide the network with any details besides saying that the sales followed “normal protocol.”

The information comes to light as debate continues on whether Cruz, who suffered from mental health issues, should have been able to purchase firearms.

nypost.com

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Dave In Austin  Feb 20, 2018 • 5:45:21am
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BlueGrl21  Feb 20, 2018 • 5:47:10am

re: #135 Shropshire Slasher

I guess the Dollar Store pays better than I thought:

nypost.com

This is driving me a bit crazy.

Cruz may or may not have had depression but millions of people all over the world have depression. Mental illness is not why the kid killed 17 people. He had no empathy for the people he wounded or killed and easy access to an assault weapon. Period.

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JordanRules  Feb 20, 2018 • 5:50:07am
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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 20, 2018 • 5:50:11am

re: #137 BlueGrl21

He had no empathy for the people he wounded or killed and easy access to an assault weapon. Period.

I am sure he played a lot of violent games on his Xbox, but I am not allowed to say that.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 20, 2018 • 5:53:25am

For all the bullshit answers being offered, there hasn’t been much (any) talk of upgrading the one program that has “problem child” in its job description: School Psychiatric Social Work.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2018 • 5:54:46am

re: #140 Decatur Deb

For all the bullshit answers being offered, there hasn’t been much (any) talk of upgrading the one program that has problem child in its job description: School Psychiatric Social work.

who would you rather have facing down a school shooter, a good guy with a gun or a liberal guy with a psychology degree?

/

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Decatur Deb  Feb 20, 2018 • 5:56:03am

re: #141 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

who would you rather have facing down a school shooter, a good guy with a gun or a liberal guy with a psychology degree?

/

They’re depraved because they’re deprived.

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William Lewis  Feb 20, 2018 • 5:59:49am

re: #46 FormerDirtDart

I’m reminded of the English Ski Jumper Eddie “The Eagle” Edwards. en.wikipedia.org

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BlueSpotinAL  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:00:18am

A woman was charged with beating her husband to death with his guitar collection. The judge asked “First offender?”. The woman replied “No. First a Gibson, then a Fender.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:03:41am

I used to enjoy the Winter Olympics more than the summer games, I liked the hockey and my girlfriends would follow the figure skating, but ever since Sochi I lost all interest in anything Olympic.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:06:33am

re: #135 Shropshire Slasher

I guess the Dollar Store pays better than I thought:

nypost.com

OK, but who amongst us did not buy 10 rifles in the year they turned 19?

////

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JordanRules  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:08:27am
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William Lewis  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:08:38am

re: #117 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Like the one up thread? Fred Rodgers was probably the last best Christian in the public sphere.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:09:18am

re: #148 William Lewis

Like the one up thread? Fred Rodgers was probably the last best Christian in the public sphere.

Jimmah is still in play.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:11:42am

re: #146 Sir John Barron

OK, but who amongst us did not buy 10 rifles in the year they turned 19?

////

Won’t go into it, but be glad they’re buying sexy black rifles.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:13:56am

So the question I have is, who is the bigger fraud, Trump or Romney.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:14:24am

re: #148 William Lewis

Like the one up thread? Fred Rodgers was probably the last best Christian in the public sphere.

A lot of them are not in the public sphere, they just quietly practice and witness their faith. The ones who make the most noise and circumstance about it are often the biggest hypocrites about it.

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William Lewis  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:15:00am

re: #149 Decatur Deb

Jimmah is still in play.

Point taken.

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JordanRules  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:16:56am

re: #149 Decatur Deb

Jimmy Carter?

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Decatur Deb  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:18:14am

re: #153 William Lewis

Point taken.

Did love Mr. Rogers. We had him at WQED a decade before he went national, and I literally, literally, lived in his neighborhood for a short while.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:19:43am

Father Martin, the Jesuit I see sometimes linked here and on a couple RCC friends and family. To me personally, I’m not hostile to religion in itself, I just can’t say I believe in a God and I feel faith is a deeply personal thing.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:20:34am

re: #155 Decatur Deb

Did love Mr. Rogers. We had him at WQED a decade before he went national, and I literally, literally, lived in his neighborhood for a short while.

He always struck me as a genuinely kind person.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:20:43am
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Decatur Deb  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:23:22am

re: #154 JordanRules

Jimmy Carter?

Yup. He might yet have another house in him.

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makeitstop  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:23:56am

The big news in my inbox this morning - Todd Rundgren’s Utopia is doing a reunion tour!

Todd Rundgren’s Utopia Reuniting for 2018 Tour

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:24:58am

re: #160 makeitstop

I’m in. Take my money.

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lizardofid  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:26:22am

re: #159 Decatur Deb

Yup. He might yet have another house in him.

On the last day of the world I would want to plant a tree build a house.

W.S. Merwin
Jimmy Carter

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William Lewis  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:27:41am

re: #160 makeitstop

The big news in my inbox this morning - Todd Rundgren’s Utopia is doing a reunion tour!

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I’ll wait for the inevitable live album.

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:28:10am

re: #159 Decatur Deb

up. He might yet have another house in him.

I hope it is a small house.
ZING
POW
//

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JordanRules  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:28:17am

re: #159 Decatur Deb

Thanks, wanted to make sure I wasn’t missing another awesome Jimmy.

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makeitstop  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:29:16am

re: #161 Unshaken Defiance

I’m in. Take my money.

Yep, me too.

Too bad Roger Powell isn’t playing keyboards (great soloist), but I’m sure Shuckett will do a good job.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:32:03am

re: #162 Amory Blaine

CNN Panel Melts Down After Jack Kingston Dismisses Parkland Students as Leftist Stooges

Kingston is only a rightist stooge repeating the words his puppet masters feed him.

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darthstar  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:32:39am
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JordanRules  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:34:01am

No evidence to support link between violent video games and behavior

sciencedaily.com

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:34:04am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:34:36am

re: #162 Amory Blaine

CNN Panel Melts Down After Jack Kingston Dismisses Parkland Students as Leftist Stooges

Their tried-and-true tactic is failing them and they seem incapable of developing any other approach than to attack and defame. Does not work well against teenage victims of gun violence.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:36:20am

re: #58 Hecuba’s daughter

My brother was very good friends with Phil Andrew in high school. They were on the swim team and water polo teams together. I’ll never forget that day. Heck. We were at the house just a few days prior. Phil has done a lot of work re: gun violence, even joining the FBI.

chicagotribune.com

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JordanRules  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:38:50am
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Dave In Austin  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:41:12am
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MsJ  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:41:43am

re: #143 William Lewis

I’m reminded of the English Ski Jumper Eddie “The Eagle” Edwards. en.wikipedia.org

That was my first thought, as well.

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MsJ  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:44:50am

re: #151 HappyWarrior

So the question I have is, who is the bigger fraud, Trump or Romney.

Why pick one? Why not both?

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:45:26am

Gardening can be an excellent family bonding activity

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:46:23am
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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:46:32am

38 f and the bus is late. 🤐

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Decatur Deb  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:46:35am

re: #165 Shropshire Slasher

I hope it is a small house.
ZING
POW
//

“Decent, affordable”.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:47:37am

re: #177 MsJ

Why pick one? Why not both?

Touche.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:47:53am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:49:14am

Cover another space on Mueller’s Bingo Card!

cnn.com

Special counsel Robert Mueller has filed a charge against a lawyer for lying to investigators about his interaction with former Trump campaign aide Rick Gates in September 2016.

Alex Van der Zwaan is expected to plead guilty Tuesday afternoon.

He is also accused of lying about the failure to turn over an email communication to the special counsel’s office. He was speaking with investigators about his work with Skadden Arps in 2012 when the firm did work for the Ukrainian Ministry of Justice to prepare a report on the trial of Yulia Tymoshenko.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:49:49am

re: #179 Barefoot Grin

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Lol no one believes you.

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William Lewis  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:50:25am

re: #176 MsJ

That was my first thought, as well.

I admire both of them. If I were younger, I could see doing the same in luge.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:50:44am

re: #179 Barefoot Grin

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Every word out of Trump’s mouth is a lie.

Even when he farts and belches he lies!

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William Lewis  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:51:51am

re: #183 FormerDirtDart

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Good. That’s the highest non-combat valor medal we have. He paid the final price for it. I understand his parents had it buried with him.

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MsJ  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:53:57am

re: #186 William Lewis

I admire both of them. If I were younger, I could see doing the same in luge.

Luge? LUGE? Why? Why is luge even a thing?

And, speaking of things that should not be things…Gender Revel cakes for Gender Reveal parties. (Of which my friend is having and whom I sent this to this morning.)

Just. Say. No.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2018 • 6:58:52am

re: #189 MsJ

And, speaking of things that should not be things…Gender Revel cakes for Gender Reveal parties. (Of which my friend is having and whom I sent this to this morning.)

We never peeked at the gender of any of our four kids.

I just figured that I was already at that stage when life held so few surprises (Christmas consisted of my ex and I ordering our own Christmas presents and having them sent in each other’s name) that we decided to wait until the kids popped to find out.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 20, 2018 • 7:01:56am
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 20, 2018 • 7:02:51am
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Barefoot Grin  Feb 20, 2018 • 7:06:00am

re: #185 HappyWarrior

Lol no one believes you.

re: #187 Joe Bacon 🌹

Every word out of Trump’s mouth is a lie.

Even when he farts and belches he lies!

If there is a press briefing today SHS is gonna flinging poo over this statement (assuming the proper questions are asked).

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 20, 2018 • 7:07:29am

Based on his past, could Donald Trump have secured top secret clearance if he had not been elected president? (Quora)

To call that “unlikely” would be an understatement. There’s no chance in hell.

Let me give you a taste of the unbelievably long list of potentially disqualifying factors they could take issue with:…

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dangerman  Feb 20, 2018 • 7:08:30am

A thought for today

Listened to one of the teachers and a student (18 y/o girl) on fm drive radio this AM.

There’s a rally in tallahassee tomorrow - call it anti gun, action, not one more, whatever you want. The students are going up in buses etc.

2 weeks ago such a rally wasnt even on their radar - let alone organizing one

Here’s the juxtaposition - where we are:

Fair question from the deejay - are you going to the rally in tallahassee tomorrow?

18 year old girl - No, I have to go to two funerals.

i was on the turnpike. tears welling up..

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2018 • 7:09:16am
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MsJ  Feb 20, 2018 • 7:09:21am

I think MC Escher created this.

On a side note, I am completely nauseated.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 20, 2018 • 7:09:37am

re: #191 FormerDirtDart

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 20, 2018 • 7:11:41am

re: #193 Barefoot Grin

If there is a press briefing today SHS is gonna flinging poo over this statement (assuming the proper questions are asked).

Will she do that before or after her pole dance?

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lizardofid  Feb 20, 2018 • 7:13:36am

Later all, off to see the vet.

peace

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Dr. Matt  Feb 20, 2018 • 7:18:52am

Pro-Trump media launch attacks on student survivors of Florida school shooting

Half of the GOP Nazis are abusing children sexually and physically and the other half are attacking them and denigrating them.

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dangerman  Feb 20, 2018 • 7:24:12am

Another thought - on why stoneman is different

Its already been touched upon that these kids are articulate, angry, social media whizzes, and had the real time experience video.

I think there’s something else going on here as well.

Innocence

Sandy hook was innocence personified. The survivors were too young to relate and speak to it. Adults did; tried. And it faded. Seeing adults as surrogates does change the narrative. Because we expect different things as adults, from adults.

Most of us, when we get to 20 something or so, recognize some sense of vulnerability or mortality. Even daring devils and hero types. They may not dwell. They know it’s real and possible. Not necessarily being shot at - just anything, health, accidents, etc. And we acknowledge in each other that we all sort of come to know this.

Children dont and we hope arent supposed to. Recognize death, face it. No, theyre supposed to be protected from it, till they can get a handle on their own existence and place in the cosmos. And in the meantime deal with real consequential kid and teenage stuff.

These older kids lost that. They were targets. They are fuming. Not only did society (adults) not protect them, in a real sense a lot of adults through inaction facilitated this.

These particular kids are well educated and savvy. They got mobilized fast, and they speak well. They will not settle for half assed solutions.

I am cautious. And i think this is going to be a turning point.

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MsJ  Feb 20, 2018 • 7:25:37am

Usefulless idiots.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 20, 2018 • 7:26:30am
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dangerman  Feb 20, 2018 • 7:28:16am

re: #198 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Mueller’s Indictments Show How Obama FAILED To Stop Russian Interference In The 2016 Election

yesterday they were all saying he didnt even try
today he just ‘failed at it’

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 20, 2018 • 7:31:04am

Who amongst us has not spent a weekend late in September with a small group of soldiers trying to expend the remnants of a battalions worth of ammunition?

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 20, 2018 • 7:31:08am

re: #162 Amory Blaine

CNN Panel Melts Down After Jack Kingston Dismisses Parkland Students as Leftist Stooges

It’s not like teenagers have ever heard of organising tools like social media, also used by the Women’s March and the Arab Spring… .

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Dr. Matt  Feb 20, 2018 • 7:32:47am

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 20, 2018 • 7:37:10am

It “never happened” yet he knows all the details.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 20, 2018 • 7:40:30am

Comedy break

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MsJ  Feb 20, 2018 • 7:40:33am

re: #209 The Vicious Babushka

It “never happened” yet he knows all the details.

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I see he is back to focusing on the important issues of the day.

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Kilroy was here  Feb 20, 2018 • 7:40:36am

re: #206 FormerDirtDart

Who amongst us has not spent a weekend late in September with a small group of soldiers trying to expend the remnants of a battalions worth of ammunition?

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Never has so many 40mm practice grenades been fired at 25 yard targets all while mocking the MPs shooting on the next range.. Good times..
Shoulder hurt for a week..

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nines09  Feb 20, 2018 • 7:42:39am

re: #204 FormerDirtDart

Look. Son of a filthy immigrant from some shithole country.
JFC.
Makes me want to light fires.

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Targetpractice  Feb 20, 2018 • 7:44:25am

re: #209 The Vicious Babushka

It “never happened” yet he knows all the details.

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“She’s a lying whore!” apparently is only a winning strategy when you’re a Republican. I’m sure the Bible-thumpers will find a way to forgive this transgression as well.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 20, 2018 • 7:46:21am

Well, I’m out for now. The snow has stopped, and the sun is out. I’m tired, so it’s time for bed.

I can’t wait for the Dumpster fire in the news when I wake up …

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 20, 2018 • 7:47:14am

re: #214 Targetpractice

“She’s a lying whore!” apparently is only a winning strategy when you’re a Republican. I’m sure the Bible-thumpers will find a way to forgive this transgression as well.

But he paraded all of Bill Clinton’s accusers at the debate in order to suggest that it was Hillary’s fault.

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Targetpractice  Feb 20, 2018 • 7:49:38am

re: #216 The Vicious Babushka

But he paraded all of Bill Clinton’s accusers at the debate in order to suggest that it was Hillary’s fault.

Yep, to the jeering of many of the same wingnuts who argued during the 90s that Hillary was “complicit” in Bill’s “crimes” because otherwise she would have divorced him the moment she heard the first allegations.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 20, 2018 • 7:51:50am

re: #212 Kilroy was here

Never has so many 40mm practice grenades been fired at 25 yard targets all while mocking the MPs shooting on the next range.. Good times..
Shoulder hurt for a week..

Inevitably the question will be answered; “What happens when a group of soldiers simultaneously fire 40mm TPT rounds straight up?”

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Interesting Times  Feb 20, 2018 • 7:52:04am

Oooof:

In case it wasn’t immediately clear, she’s talking about the 53% of white women who voted for Cheeto Benito, a stat that to this day makes me want to dry-heave.

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nines09  Feb 20, 2018 • 7:55:51am

re: #219 Interesting Times

Feature. Not bug.
His first question will be “Do you have young children? I love young children.”

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 20, 2018 • 7:59:43am

re: #219 Interesting Times

Damn, now the Russians have started a dating website, can I buy a Russian bride?
Anyone know who founded this website?

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:00:04am

Always gotta be careful about letting ones wishes influence ones read of the facts on the ground right? That having been said, it appears a confluence of things are playing in our favor. Russia, guns, and flat out caught lying. As in lying about guns and Russia, not just angry tweets.
So I’m saying mid terms will go well if we stay on it.

House Democrats Just Had Their Best Ever January Fundraising Haul
The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee raised $9.3 million.

And this

Mueller tells a compelling story of Russian intrigue that was designed to elect Trump

and so on…

Trump and the GOP are making the Republican brand toxic for a generation

Activist Organization Hosts Voter Registration Events At ‘Black Panther’ Screenings

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Belafon  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:01:04am

re: #46 FormerDirtDart

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My job started up a car show to raise money for Christmas presents for kids in the area. My coworker, who sounds like her, entered his unmodified 15 year old Honda Civic Hatchback. Won second place in his division out of people just thinking it’s hilarious.

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plansbandc  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:01:23am

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:02:06am

So….every year there’s a music festival here called Colours of Ostrava. It’s becoming more well-known throughout Europe.

And this year, Grace Jones is coming to perform. Holy shit!

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MsJ  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:03:26am

re: #221 Shropshire Slasher

Damn, now the Russians have started a dating website, can I buy a Russian bride?
Anyone know who founded this website?

Oh, the online chats you can have with lovely Russian women.

I am sure Ivan is quite beautiful, in his own way.

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Interesting Times  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:05:52am

Remember this beautiful moment from June 2016?

I’m tempted to propose…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:08:19am

re: #227 Interesting Times

Remember this beautiful moment from June 2016?

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Interesting Times  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:09:46am

re: #228 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

True, but…

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Dave In Austin  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:10:18am

Something you have never seen before.

This morning Charlie Stephenson provided me with the opportunity to photograph the most captivating cardinal in Alabaster, Alabama. This yellow cardinal displays a rare mutation that causes the metabolic process to produce a different type of pigment than the typical red coloration. According to a biologist from Auburn University, this mutation is so rare that only one is seen each year in the United States. To see updates on this cardinal please check out: Jeremy Black Photography.

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ObserverArt  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:11:16am

re: #139 Shropshire Slasher

I am sure he played a lot of violent games on his Xbox, but I am not allowed to say that.

Sure???

What if he played violent video games because he was already in that mindframe.

You do know a whole heck of a lot of people play violent video games and don’t go on murder sprees, so how does that fit your assuredness?

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:16:53am

re: #155 Decatur Deb

Did love Mr. Rogers. We had him at WQED a decade before he went national, and I literally, literally, lived in his neighborhood for a short while.

That’s the station I would catch him on being born and raised north of Pittsburgh.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:16:55am

For Julie!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:19:22am

re: #229 Interesting Times

True, but…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:19:29am

re: #230 Dave In Austin

Something you have never seen before.

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Poor bastard probably won’t get laid. Hence the lack of prevalence.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:21:32am

re: #139 Shropshire Slasher

I am sure he played a lot of violent games on his Xbox, but I am not allowed to say that.

You say what you want, but people will understand that video games have nothing to do with the mass murder, so will wonder why you said it, and it’ll make you sound like the cranks who blame video games.

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William Lewis  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:23:18am

re: #206 FormerDirtDart

Who amongst us has not spent a weekend late in September with a small group of soldiers trying to expend the remnants of a battalions worth of ammunition?

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Or empty a bunker of out dated explosives? The last one we set rattled base HQ an PO’d the one star in charge. But oh, that was one hell of a crater we made :D

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:24:34am

re: #233 Dave In Austin

For Julie!!

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I have a new Internet crush.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:25:04am

re: #235 Blind Frog Belly White

Poor bastard probably won’t get laid. Hence the lack of prevalence.

Prolly a recessive trait that doesn’t follow. Interesting though, I’ve seen some leucistic Cardinals that are truly impressive.

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ckkatz  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:28:33am

re: #235 Blind Frog Belly White

Poor bastard probably won’t get laid. Hence the lack of prevalence.

Er.. He did get laid. And then hatched.
(Sorry, could not resist. Although I admit that I probably should have.)

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ObserverArt  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:32:44am

re: #205 dangerman

Mueller’s Indictments Show How Obama FAILED To Stop Russian Interference In The 2016 Election

yesterday they were all saying he didnt even try
today he just ‘failed at it’

I’m sure had Obama told America that there was Russian interference and it appeared they were helping Trump there would have been a howl from the right/wingnuts that would have been unlike any howl from the right ever.

But go on and forget how you react to everything wingnuts. In fact look how you are reacting right now…after the fact.

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Belafon  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:34:19am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:35:31am

re: #139 Shropshire Slasher

I am sure he played a lot of violent games on his Xbox, but I am not allowed to say that.

I play “a lot of violent games” on my PS4 and on my computer. What’s your irrelevant implication here? I know what I am inferring from it and it’s a pile o’ crap.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:35:51am

re: #242 Belafon

The GOP Nazis always find a new low to sink to. They still have not and won’t attack Russia or fetuses.

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MsJ  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:36:19am

re: #242 Belafon

Now that’s a ratio I can get behind.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:37:20am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:37:25am

re: #242 Belafon

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:37:33am

re: #240 ckkatz

Er.. He did get laid. And then hatched.
(Sorry, could not resist. Although I admit that I probably should have.)

Oy.

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ObserverArt  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:37:43am

re: #230 Dave In Austin

Something you have never seen before.

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That’s as rare as a yellow Ferrari.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:38:03am

re: #139 Shropshire Slasher

I am sure he played a lot of violent games on his Xbox, but I am not allowed to say that.

Next time someone walks into school with a Xbox and murders 17 people with said Xbox, then come back with your idiotic fucking talking point.

You do realize video games are present in nearly every fucking country on the entire fucking planet, and yet mass shootings by AR-15s are uniquely American. Are you really this fucking obtuse?

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electrotek  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:41:05am

It shouldn’t be surprising that the right-wing would smear survivors when they had no problem smearing dead Norwegian kids.

Remember what Pamela Geller once said about the victims of Utoya??

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Belafon  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:41:41am

re: #246 FormerDirtDart

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:42:31am

re: #246 FormerDirtDart

Gingrich: Arming teachers is the “only long-term solution” to school shootings

Those schoolkids are going to eat him for lunch for his “more guns” solutions…

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Belafon  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:42:53am

re: #250 Dr. Matt

Next time someone walks into school with a Xbox and murders 17 people with said Xbox, then come back with your idiotic fucking talking point.

You do realize video games are present in nearly every fucking country on the entire fucking planet, and yet mass shootings by AR-15s is uniquely American. Are you really this fucking obtuse?

Japan plays more video games per person than we do. It’s not the games.

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BeachDem  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:43:11am

re: #157 HappyWarrior

He always struck me as a genuinely kind person.

He also did some work with Jonathan Kozol. This is my favorite Kozol quote about Mr. Rogers.

“Of all the grown-ups I brought with me, the one who meant the most to the children and teachers was a man every one of you would love to spend a whole day of your lives with-Mr. Rogers,” he said.

Though Kozol was afraid some of the children might not recognize Mr. Rogers, one little boy went up to him and gave him a big hug, saying, “Welcome to my neighborhood.”


tc.columbia.edu

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ObserverArt  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:43:40am

re: #243 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I play “a lot of violent games” on my PS4 and on my computer. What’s your irrelevant implication here? I know what I am inferring from it and it’s a pile o’ crap.

It’s the Slasher. To be expected. Notice how no one is actually preventing him from saying anything about violent video games. I guess it best to admit you are being shot down before getting shot down…or something. Pre-loser!

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Mike Lamb  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:43:54am

Sarah…President Trump tweeted that Obama failed to do anything about Russia, and that the Trump administration has been much harder on the Russians than the Obama administration. To recap, Obama enacted significant sanctions against Russia and expelled a number of Russian diplomats, among other things. Mr. Trump, on the other hand, argued against a bill imposing sanctions on Russia; discussed classified intelligence with Russian officials; publicly questioned the intelligence community’s findings on Russian electoral interference; has yet to condemn Russia for its interference; stated he believed Putin was telling the truth that Russia didn’t meddle in the elections; and has refused to implement the sanctions that were passed by large bipartisan majorities in Congress. In what specific ways has the Trump Administration been tougher on Russia?

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Sir John Barron  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:45:08am

re: #242 Belafon

EXPOSED: School Shooting Surviver Turned Activist David Hogg’s Father in FBI, Appears To Have Been Coached On Anti-Trump Lines [VIDEO] thegatewaypundit.com

— Jim Hoft

EXPOSED! “APPEARS”
ACTIVIST!!!!!
FBI!!!!!!!

//

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Belafon  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:45:11am

Piece of trivia I learned from Jeopardy about Mister Rogers’ Neighborhood: Michael Keaton was one of the floor workers on the show.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:45:12am

re: #231 ObserverArt

Sure???

What if he played violent video games because he was already in that mindframe.

You do know a whole heck of a lot of people play violent video games and don’t go on murder sprees, so how does that fit your assuredness?

And what video games did Hitler play or Pol Pot?

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MsJ  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:45:23am
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Mike Lamb  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:45:43am

re: #241 ObserverArt

I’m sure had Obama told America that there was Russian interference and it appeared they were helping Trump there would have been a howl from the right/wingnuts that would have been unlike any howl from the right ever.

But go on and forget how you react to everything wingnuts. In fact look how you are reacting right now…after the fact.

We know that’s the case given the threats from McConnell when the administration wanted to go public with what Russia was doing.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:45:44am

re: #252 Belafon

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Dr. Matt  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:46:29am

re: #254 Belafon

Japan plays more video games per person than we do. It’s not the games.

It’s everything but the obvious, i.e., guns. The right blame lack of prayer/bible in school, abortion, the LGBT population, Hollywood, video games….but, it’s never, ever, never firearms.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:46:35am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:48:09am

re: #263 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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We need more guns to protect us from all the guns we have because we needed more guns to protect us from all the guns we have because…..

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Dr. Matt  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:48:59am

re: #266 Blind Frog Belly White

We need more guns to protect us from all the guns we have because we needed more guns to protect us from all the guns we have because…..

We need more guns to protect us from the guns is literally fighting with fire with fire. Literally.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:50:10am

re: #266 Blind Frog Belly White

We need more guns to protect us from all the guns we have because we needed more guns to protect us from all the guns we have because…..

The NRA might as well adopt the Army’s old marketing slogan “an army of one”, because that is its long term plan; that every American has their own personal arsenal as if prepared to go to war.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:50:57am
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ObserverArt  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:51:00am

re: #266 Blind Frog Belly White

We need more guns to protect us from all the guns we have because we needed more guns to protect us from all the guns we have because…..

That would be graphically represented by MsJ’s #197.

The MC Escher staircase to the staircase…

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:51:44am

re: #241 ObserverArt

I’m sure had Obama told America that there was Russian interference and it appeared they were helping Trump there would have been a howl from the right/wingnuts that would have been unlike any howl from the right ever.

But go on and forget how you react to everything wingnuts. In fact look how you are reacting right now…after the fact.

Don’t forget, that barely a month after the election, President Obama hit Russia with the hardest group of sanctions since the end of the Cold War:

U.S. imposes sanctions on Russia over election interference

Last Updated Dec 29, 2016 7:23 PM EST

The Obama administration announced Thursday a new series of sanctions against Russian intelligence entities and agents they say are responsible for hacks into the Democratic National Committee and related servers.

In addition to the sanctions, 35 Russian operatives will be expelled from the country and listed as “persona non grata.” The operatives, who are based out of the Russian embassy in Washington and the Russian consulate in San Francisco, have been informed they have 72 hours to leave the United States along with their families.

A senior administration official said Thursday afternoon that the U.S. is “responding here to a pattern of Russian behavior that has been evident for some time.” The official also said that the announced punishments are “not the sum total of everything we are doing in response to Russia’s actions … as President Obama and others have said, some of those actions will be public and some of them will not.”

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MsJ  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:51:59am

re: #270 ObserverArt

That would be graphically represented by MsJ’s #197.

The MC Escher staircase to the staircase…

And is equally nauseating. :-D

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:52:10am

re: #268 Big Beautiful Door

The NRA might as well adopt the Army’s old marketing slogan “an army of one”, because that is its long term plan; that every American has their own personal arsenal as if prepared to go to war.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:52:35am

re: #268 Big Beautiful Door

The NRA might as well adopt the Army’s old marketing slogan “an army of one”, because that is its long term plan; that every American has their own personal arsenal as if prepared to go to war.

Before the Las Vegas shooting, I wondered why anyone would keep amassing guns, especially more and more of the same KIND of guns. You can only shoot one at a time, right?

Now I know. You buy more guns because you can only kill so many people before the barrel gets too hot.

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ObserverArt  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:53:09am

re: #267 Dr. Matt

We need more guns to protect us from the guns is literally fighting with fire with fire. Literally.

I understand your point…but you might want to figure out another example because it can be said that wildfires, like in California, are often stopped by pre-burning areas the fire is heading to next. That could be considered fighting fire with fire.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:54:10am

re: #242 Belafon

EXPOSED: School Shooting Surviver Turned Activist David Hogg’s Father in FBI, Appears To Have Been Coached On Anti-Trump Lines [VIDEO] thegatewaypundit.com

— Jim Hoft

Now, if this survivor’s father had been a part of some respectable establishment, like a Russian spy or something, then that would have been fine.

/

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:55:43am

re: #276 Sir John Barron

Now, if this survivor’s father had been a part of some respectable establishment, like a Russian spy or something, then that would have been fine.

/

Didja ever think you’d see the day when Republicans would treat being in the FBI as a sign of being a Leftie?

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Dave In Austin  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:55:52am

re: #273 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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This is how some of these asshole visualize themselves now….

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:57:07am
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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 20, 2018 • 8:57:51am

Getting lovely messages for the local school superintendent that someone is leaving threats on the wall of one of the high schools. Probably nothing, but of course it could be another mass killer. At this point, if one of my kids was going to that school, I’d have to at least consider pulling them out.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:00:08am

re: #241 ObserverArt

I’m sure had Obama told America that there was Russian interference and it appeared they were helping Trump there would have been a howl from the right/wingnuts that would have been unlike any howl from the right ever.

But go on and forget how you react to everything wingnuts. In fact look how you are reacting right now…after the fact.

RIGGED

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Dave In Austin  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:00:34am
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BeachDem  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:01:40am

Went to a meet and greet with Archie Parnell this morning. He’s the Dem who ran for the Mulvaney seat in the special election and lost by about 3 points (in a R+30 district.) He didn’t get much press because it was the same day as the Ossoff race that got all the national attention.

But Archie did have a good campaing and that great House of Cards takeoff commercial and got some press because of it.
politico.com

Anyway—he’s a great guy. Smart, funny, sincere. And I think he has a real chance of flipping the seat.

archieparnell.com

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ckkatz  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:03:15am

re: #265 Big Beautiful Door

Here is a funny Daily Show interview with a loyal Trump supporter whose golf course on the border would be destroyed by Trump’s wall.

I just googled the name under the belief that no one could be that stupid.

Good grief! Apparently, Jeremy Barnard actually exists and is General Manager of the Riverbend Golf Course. Which will get cut in half by the trump wall. I guess he believes in the “as long as they spell my name right” school of free advertising.

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Jay C  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:04:25am

re: #258 Sir John Barron

EXPOSED! “APPEARS”
ACTIVIST!!!!!
FBI!!!!!!!

//

To be sure. Dim Jim Hoft and his inane site might be supremely stupid, but I notice it’s a very-well-crafted stupid: his headline hits all the “right” points in order: Activist >> FBI >> Coached >> Anti-Trump. If you ignore that fact that, at bottom, it is utter wingnut bullshit, the “accusation” -however vile - holds together. Then again, anyone who would take Gateway Pundit as a serious “news” source probably isn’t likely to have a lot of logic circuits firing at the same time anyway…

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:05:47am

re: #237 William Lewis

Or empty a bunker of out dated explosives? The last one we set rattled base HQ an PO’d the one star in charge. But oh, that was one hell of a crater we made :D

Way back in ‘83 I was on a Demo range, with a 40 lbs shot limit due to low cloud ceilings.
As we set about establishing a complex road crater we shot of eight 15 lbs shape charges to bore our holes. There had been a brief break in the clouds, so no one complaints. unfortunately, by the time we had dropped the eight 40 lbs cratering charges down the hole the ceiling had closed up, and dropped.
The NCOs in charge laughed as they decided since the charges would technically go off at separate times (fractions of a second apart) it would be OK.
The resulting shock wave literally rattled every barracks door in their frames across the entire 82 Abn Div area. At the Division HQs building, closer to the demo range than any other building in the division, coffee cups were knocked over, and the CGs office window was cracked.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:07:02am

BTW can anyone explain how those tricksy Chinese hoaxsters are causing the mass fantasy of mid-seventy degree weather in Kentucky in February? I have the backdoor open and shorts on.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:07:26am

re: #285 Jay C

To be sure. Dim Jim Hoft and his inane site might be supremely stupid, but I notice it’s a very-well-crafted stupid: his headline hits all the “right” points in order: Activist >> FBI >> Coached >> Anti-Trump. If you ignore that fact that, at bottom, it is utter wingnut bullshit, the “accusation” -however vile - holds together. Then again, anyone who would take Gateway Pundit as a serious “news” source probably isn’t likely to have a lot of logic circuits firing at the same time anyway…

There are, sadly, a lot of people who take Drudge as a “legitimate” news aggregator and therefore assume that because Drudge includes SMOTI it must have gone through some kind of vetting.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:08:26am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:10:08am

re: #199 Joe Bacon 🌹

Will she do that before or after her pole dance?

Quick.Where’s the brain bleach.

**shudder**

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:10:40am

re: #260 Eventual Carrion

And what video games did Hitler play or Pol Pot?

Grand Theft Austria and Super Khmerio

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:10:40am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:11:57am

re: #264 Dr. Matt

It’s everything but the obvious, i.e., guns. The right blame lack of prayer/bible in school, abortion, the LGBT population, Hollywood, video games….but, it’s never, ever, never firearms.

careful how you phrase that…it is not the firearms, but the ease of access to certain firearms and ammunitions

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:15:20am

re: #292 The Vicious Babushka

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Dr. Matt  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:20:55am

Our librul media: More bogus “new centrism” from David Brooks: America needs this No Labels BS now less than ever

So if you want to stop school shootings it’s not enough just to vent and march. It’s necessary to let people from Red America lead the way, and to show respect to gun owners at all points. There has to be trust and respect first. Then we can strike a compromise on guns as guns, and not some sacred cross in the culture war.

From Respect First, Then Gun Control

FFS. What bullshit to eleven.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:22:44am

Don Jr. Advises President Trump After School Shooting: Don’t Go Wobbly on Guns (The Daily Beast)

As President Donald Trump surveys aides and guests at his resort at Mar-a-Lago about what to do about gun control in the wake of another school shooting, one voice close to him is advising that he not give in to those calling for stricter measures.

Donald Trump Jr., the president’s eldest son, has been assuring his dad that the right move was to stay strong on gun rights and draw a hard line on the issue that helped propel him in the 2016 election. He is among the host of people talking to the president in the wake of the massacre at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, which resulted in the death of 17 people. But the fact that he is family makes his access more personal and his guidance more trusted.

Don Jr. is a sociopath who likes to kill intelligent animals.

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Belafon  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:23:09am

And you wonder why conspiracy theories can seem plausible: The Russian lawyer, Alex Van Der Zwaan, who was charged by Mueller for lying to investigators, is the son-in-law of German Khan, who ran Alfa Group for a number of years. Alfa Bank, on part of Alfa Group, had the computer that was communicating with a Trump campaign computer via a DeVos computer.

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Belafon  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:23:47am

re: #296 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Don Jr. Advises President Trump After School Shooting: Don’t Go Wobbly on Guns (The Daily Beast)

Don Jr. is a sociopath who likes to kill intelligent animals.

Because they’re smarter than him.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:23:54am

re: #284 ckkatz

I just googled the name under the belief that no one could be that stupid.

Good grief! Apparently, Jeremy Barnard actually exists and is General Manager of the Riverbend Golf Course. Which will get cut in half by the trump wall. I guess he believes in the “as long as they spell my name right” school of free advertising.

I guess he assumes there will be some compensation or bailout for him…good luck.

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Skip Intro  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:24:51am

re: #172 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Their tried-and-true tactic is failing them and they seem incapable of developing any other approach than to attack and defame. Does not work well against teenage victims of gun violence.

IT always works on Fox. Of course there no one ever disagrees with them.

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Varek Raith  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:25:14am

Lying to the FBI is bad, mmmkay.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:27:41am

re: #295 Dr. Matt

Our librul media: More bogus “new centrism” from David Brooks: America needs this No Labels BS now less than ever

FFS. What bullshit to eleven.

More of Brooks elitist bullshit disguised as concern for the opinions of red state schmos. I’m sorry but enough with this we need to respect them. How many stupid memes by red state gun owners have I seen mocking people who aren’t comfortable around guns? How many memes likening wanting sensible gun laws to the Nazis?

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Weaselone  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:29:03am

re: #139 Shropshire Slasher

I am sure he played a lot of violent games on his Xbox, but I am not allowed to say that.

You’re allowed to say that, but doing so implies that you think that there is some sort of causal relationship between violent video games and mass murder.

1. There are several studies that refute this argument
2. Even just basic observations make this line of reasoning fairly suspect. For example, violent video games are popular globally and no other country has this epidemic of violence.
3. And now for the personal anecdote. I have probably snuffed out nearly a trillion virtual lives (why settle for first person shooters, when you can use a stellar converter to destroy an entire planet) and have no desire to replicate even the smallest iota of this in meat world.

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MsJ  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:29:20am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:29:24am
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electrotek  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:30:13am

re: #305 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Donald Trump Jr. ‘Likes’ Conspiracy Theory About Florida Shooting Survivor’s Ex-FBI Dad (The Daily Beast)

Scumbag.

Milo Yiannopoulos Drops Lawsuit Against Simon & Schuster (The Daily Beast)

Ha! Ha!

LOL and it’s only Tuesday

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Stanley Sea  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:30:44am

Nelson HA HA

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Stanley Sea  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:31:26am

ya’ll too fast.

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Belafon  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:32:49am

re: #307 Stanley Sea

Nelson HA HA

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I will buy a Simon & Schuster book if they will countersue to recover any costs they’ve incurred because of the lawsuit.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:33:22am

re: #302 HappyWarrior

More of Brooks elitist bullshit disguised as concern for the opinions of red state schmos. I’m sorry but enough with this we need to respect them. How many stupid memes by red state gun owners have I seen mocking people who aren’t comfortable around guns? How many memes likening wanting sensible gun laws to the Nazis?

Firearms ownership is at an all-time high. Laws restricting/impeding ownership have been disintegrating over the last 2 decades. Red state America had their way. They won the legal battles and now the entire country has to suffer because GOP idiots are incapable of saying their were wrong.

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Belafon  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:33:32am

re: #304 MsJ

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Renaissance_Man  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:34:43am

re: #293 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

careful how you phrase that…it is not the firearms, but the ease of access to certain firearms and ammunitions

It’s the firearms.

Gun massacres, though high profile, aren’t the biggest tragedy of America’s cult of human sacrifice. It’s the thousands of deaths in ones and twos, of kids killing each other with handguns and rifles and shotguns found around the home, of law-abiding people pulling their law-abiding firearms in a fit of rage or confusion and shooting each other deliberately or by mistake in a totally law-abiding fashion.

It’s always the firearms.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:36:27am

re: #206 FormerDirtDart

Who amongst us has not spent a weekend late in September with a small group of soldiers trying to expend the remnants of a battalions worth of ammunition?

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Why didn’t you just toss the 20mm along the range road like the morons at Knox?

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Interesting Times  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:38:56am

Ha - hit ‘em where it hurts:

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Decatur Deb  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:41:03am

re: #288 The Vicious Babushka

There are, sadly, a lot of people who take Drudge as a “legitimate” news aggregator and therefore assume that because Drudge includes SMOTI it must have gone through some kind of vetting.

Drudge is decidedly on the “out” at Freep, unleashing a flow of pent-up homophobia. Must have been killing them to hold it in.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:42:25am
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:42:32am
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JordanRules  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:42:44am
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scottslemmons  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:43:12am

re: #307 Stanley Sea

Nelson HA HA

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In related news: Vox Day-loving “World’s Greatest Hispanic Sci-Fi Writer” Jon Del Arroz set up a GoFundMe to hire a lawyer for his suit against World Con and has received not a single thin dime. Possibly because normal people don’t like to give money to Nazis, and because Nazis don’t like to give money to Hispanics.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:44:17am

re: #285 Jay C

To be sure. Dim Jim Hoft and his inane site might be supremely stupid, but I notice it’s a very-well-crafted stupid: his headline hits all the “right” points in order: Activist >> FBI >> Coached >> Anti-Trump. If you ignore that fact that, at bottom, it is utter wingnut bullshit, the “accusation” -however vile - holds together. Then again, anyone who would take Gateway Pundit as a serious “news” source probably isn’t likely to have a lot of logic circuits firing at the same time anyway…

I’m amused by his use of “activist” as some kind of slam. What the hell does he think he is? Or the goons lining up at CPAC this week? They aren’t ‘activists’, too?

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mmmirele  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:44:54am

re: #6 Kragar

First there’s the promotion-blergh. Second, there’s the foreword by the execrable Eric Metaxas, the same asshat who floated a fake Bonhoeffer quote implying people should vote for Trump before the election. The asshat blocked me when I pointed it out to him.

As for reviews, even Erick son of Erick this is garbage, but it shows the depths of Evangelicalism.
weeklystandard.com

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:45:05am

re: #313 Decatur Deb

Why didn’t you just toss the 20mm along the range road like the morons at Knox?

See, stuff like that is doomed to fail. When you dump ammo like that it’ll show up when they weigh your expended brass at turn in.

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Interesting Times  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:45:18am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:45:31am

re: #312 Renaissance_Man

It’s the firearms.

Gun massacres, though high profile, aren’t the biggest tragedy of America’s cult of human sacrifice. It’s the thousands of deaths in ones and twos, of kids killing each other with handguns and rifles and shotguns found around the home, of law-abiding people pulling their law-abiding firearms in a fit of rage or confusion and shooting each other deliberately or by mistake in a totally law-abiding fashion.

It’s always the firearms.

I have to disagree with you on the “always the firearms” part: it is much more a matter of the nearly unlimited access, the lack of liability laws for owners and dealers and the absence or non-enforcement of reasonable laws involving sale and handling of firearms.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:46:28am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:47:19am

re: #324 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have to disagree with you on the “always the firearms” part: it is much more a matter of the nearly unlimited access, the lack of liability laws for owners and dealers and the absence or non-enforcement of reasonable laws involving sale and handling of firearms.

Conservatives are not responsible enough to be allowed to have guns. They have no loyalty to America and could turn on their neighbors at any time.

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Jay C  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:47:29am

re: #292 The Vicious Babushka

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We had a second-degree-connection to one of the victims of the Parkland shooting brought home to us last night: one of Mrs. Jay’s friends (work friend from twenty years back, but now mainly Facebook/online) posted a notice that one of the kids killed in Florida was her cousin’s son (age 14). Hard to say much about this kind of tragedy: I wonder how many others have this sort of close connection to mass-shooting victims? More, I’m sure that we would like to admit….

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dangerman  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:48:00am

re: #312 Renaissance_Man

It’s the firearms.

Gun massacres, though high profile, aren’t the biggest tragedy of America’s cult of human sacrifice. It’s the thousands of deaths in ones and twos, of kids killing each other with handguns and rifles and shotguns found around the home, of law-abiding people pulling their law-abiding firearms in a fit of rage or confusion and shooting each other deliberately or by mistake in a totally law-abiding fashion.

It’s always the firearms.

reduce not eliminate the number of gun deaths and shootings

therefore laws based on demonstrated recklessness or carelessness

use, misuse, storage, transport, negligent transfers (including ‘loans’, sales and gifts)

start with the low hanging fruit hit the obvious bad actors with jail and fines and lawsuits and most importatnly permanent loss of 2A rights.

the good actors will be more careful

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JordanRules  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:49:37am
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Sir John Barron  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:49:45am

re: #321 mmmirele

First there’s the promotion-blergh. Second, there’s the foreword by the execrable Eric Metaxas, the same asshat who floated a fake Bonhoeffer quote implying people should vote for Trump before the election. The asshat blocked me when I pointed it out to him.

As for reviews, even Erick son of Erick this is garbage, but it shows the depths of Evangelicalism.
weeklystandard.com

Yeah Erickson just trashed this book. Fascinating review to read.

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MsJ  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:50:20am
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Sir John Barron  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:50:26am

re: #317 FormerDirtDart

I have been much tougher on Russia than Obama, just look at the facts. Total Fake News!

— Donald J. Trump

Sure, Jan.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:50:50am

re: #326 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Conservatives are not responsible enough to be allowed to have guns. They have no loyalty to America and could turn on their neighbors at any time.

At one time in my life I would have claimed this was hyperbole. In 2018, not so much.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:51:10am

re: #332 Sir John Barron

Sure, Jan.

Tough. So tough. Believe me. “Dear Mister Putin, did you meddle in our elections? No? OK, that’s good enough for me.”

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:51:28am

re: #299 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I guess he assumes there will be some compensation or bailout for him…good luck.

He is fighting the wall, but he would still vote for Trump, even though Trump wants to destroy his business. Go figure.

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dangerman  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:51:58am

re: #324 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have to disagree with you on the “always the firearms” part: it is much more a matter of the nearly unlimited access, the lack of liability laws for owners and dealers and the absence or non-enforcement of reasonable laws involving sale and handling of firearms.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:52:18am

re: #284 ckkatz

I just googled the name under the belief that no one could be that stupid.

Good grief! Apparently, Jeremy Barnard actually exists and is General Manager of the Riverbend Golf Course. Which will get cut in half by the trump wall. I guess he believes in the “as long as they spell my name right” school of free advertising.

Come golf on our 18 9.5 hole, luxury course. Beautiful wall view. Shots over the wall are self deported.

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Interesting Times  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:52:23am

re: #335 Big Beautiful Door

He is fighting the wall, but he would still vote for Trump, even though Trump wants to destroy his business. Go figure.

Willfull stupidity and cult-driven hate is a helluva drug.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:53:34am

re: #333 Dr. Matt

At one time in my life I would have claimed this was hyperbole. In 2018, not so much.

I wouldn’t have said it back in the 80s. Back then I still believed they were decent people who just had different ideas on what was best for America.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:54:11am

re: #301 Varek Raith

Lying to the FBI is bad, mmmkay.

If I had a client, I would tell them absolutely not to talk to the FBI, because its so easy to not be totally candid. Refusing to answer questions isn’t a crime.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:54:33am
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Belafon  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:55:18am

re: #329 JordanRules

I realize I’m smarter than the average bear, but the fact that people buy into this bull is just disturbing.

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plansbandc  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:56:09am
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Interesting Times  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:56:48am

Yet another reason for Melania to hate his orange-encased guts:

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JordanRules  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:56:53am

Wow. He basically accepted his endorsement. Ugggh.
NYT has a white supremacist problem.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:58:23am

re: #344 Interesting Times

Yet another reason for Melania to hate his orange-encased guts:

It’s not raining. He’s try to keep his hair in place

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:59:26am

re: #331 MsJ

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Fuck him.

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Citizen K  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:59:33am

re: #345 JordanRules

Yeah….this is a sign of something bleak. And it’s impossible to pretend it’s not intentional either.

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Belafon  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:59:44am

re: #345 JordanRules

Wow. He basically accepted his endorsement. Ugggh.
NYT has a white supremacist problem.

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Except I want my diverse viewpoints grounded in reality.

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CongoJack  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:01:01am

re: #346 FormerDirtDart

Was my thought as well. He really didn’t like that video showing Voldemort on the back of his head (yes I know it was used a lot in mocking the Dump - I’m just rereading the Harry Potter books with my wife - that is my excuse for rehashing that item).

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JordanRules  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:01:09am

re: #346 FormerDirtDart

I knew they’d figure out a way to stop the fleeing weave shots and vids! LOL

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scottslemmons  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:01:17am

re: #348 Citizen K

Yeah….this is a sign of something bleak. And it’s impossible to pretend it’s not intentional either.

I find myself completely unsurprised to learn Bret Stephens is a white supremacist.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:01:22am

re: #344 Interesting Times

Yet another reason for Melania to hate his orange-encased guts:

I can’t wait to see the wingnuts defend this.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:02:06am

Those damn burdensome safety regulations, more unneeded bureaucratic oversight

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MsJ  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:02:18am

re: #344 Interesting Times

Yet another reason for Melania to hate his orange-encased guts:

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I can only imagine the therapy that kid is going to have to have to just have a shot at being normal.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:02:42am

re: #346 FormerDirtDart

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Renaissance_Man  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:02:55am

re: #324 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have to disagree with you on the “always the firearms” part: it is much more a matter of the nearly unlimited access, the lack of liability laws for owners and dealers and the absence or non-enforcement of reasonable laws involving sale and handling of firearms.

I don’t see how your points are distinct and separate from ‘the firearms’. All of these things proliferate firearms. All of these things massively increase the numbers and usage of firearms. Other dangerous things in society are regulated, such as cars, but there are many other things that are dangerous but have nearly unlimited access, lack of liability laws, and absence of reasonable laws involving sale, such as knives, pressure cookers, and so on. None of these things actually get used to kill people in significant numbers, as you know, because firearms are so much easier. Which is my point - it’s always the firearms.

I think what you are trying to say is that ‘the firearms’ themselves are fine, it’s just the laws we have or don’t have that allow this gundamentalist free-for-all that are the problem. I think that’s drawing a distinction that isn’t there - the belief that guns themselves are this neutral, perfectly ordinary thing that exist in a vacuum completely separate from the manner in which they are used is part of the US gun culture that has gotten us to this point. For things to change, the entire American attitude towards firearms has to change - having them, using them, buying them, carrying them, and so on. There are ways to have firearms in societies without becoming a society of human sacrifice. America’s so far from there it probably won’t get there in our lifetimes. But for it to change, we have to stop pretending that the Sacred Gun is a separate, inviolate thing that is only sullied by our mortal failings.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:02:58am

re: #344 Interesting Times

Yet another reason for Melania to hate his orange-encased guts:

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Father of the year material.//

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Citizen K  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:03:25am

re: #352 scottslemmons

I find myself completely unsurprised to learn Bret Stephens is a white supremacist.

I’m more surprised the NYT editorial board has lurched this badly, this quickly. And like I said, it’s anything but unintentional.

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Belafon  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:03:43am

re: #354 FormerDirtDart

Those damn burdensome safety regulations, more unneeded bureaucratic oversight

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Where was the good scaffold to protect them from the bad scaffold? //

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:04:06am
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Belafon  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:06:10am

re: #361 FormerDirtDart

Now, let’s make it so no other child earns one of these by being killed.

Edited: this award is given to ROTC cadets who go above and beyond. That should not have to include being killed.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:07:45am

re: #362 Belafon

Now, let’s make it so no other child earns one of these.

Yep.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:09:37am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:10:59am

re: #364 Ace-o-aces

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George Soros is a Nazi war criminal but Richard Spencer is just expressing “alternative viewpoints” when he praises the Nazis.

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scottslemmons  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:12:49am

re: #364 Ace-o-aces

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Conservatives: “LET’S KILL ALL THE JEWS AND BLACK PEOPLE!”
Liberals: “Ugh, fuck the Nazis.”
Media: “Whyyyyy must liberals be so profane?!”

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Mike Lamb  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:16:23am

re: #354 FormerDirtDart

Those damn burdensome safety regulations, more unneeded bureaucratic oversight

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You don’t get it. Without those regulations, the employees fall and die. No one wants to work for the company anymore, because they don’t have a safe working environment. Other companies voluntarily purchase safety equipment, while the other company goes out of business. Free market rules, and all for the low, low price of two dead employees. What’s not to love?

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MsJ  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:16:41am
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Stanley Sea  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:17:58am

re: #343 plansbandc

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Video

Thanks for that.

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:18:02am

cnn.com

The 18-year old gunman who killed nine people in Munich, Germany, on Friday was a fan of first-person shooter video games, according to reports. This detail in the unspooling story of the rampage led many to worry that violent video games may be negatively affecting their own children. What is the truth?

Both the American Psychological Association and the American Academy of Pediatrics take a firm stance against children and teens playing violent video games.

The psychological group reports that more than 90% of children in the United States play video games. Among kids between the ages of 12 and 17, the number rises to 97%. More important, 85% or more of video games on the market contain some form of violence. The titles seem to say it all: “Manhunt,” “Thrill Kill,” “Gears of War” and “Mortal Kombat.” However, even the seemingly benign “Pokemon Go” requires players to go to battle.
The American Psychological Association observed in an August 2015 policy statement (PDF) that research demonstrated a link “between violent video game use and both increases in aggressive behavior … and decreases in prosocial behavior, empathy, and moral engagement.”

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:18:19am

re: #364 Ace-o-aces

Yes, slightly rephrasing my sarcasm is a real winning argument.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:19:02am

re: #366 scottslemmons

Conservatives: “LET’S KILL ALL THE JEWS AND BLACK PEOPLE!”
Liberals: “Ugh, fuck the Nazis.”
Media: “Whyyyyy must liberals be so profane?!”

Conservatives: Liberals are fags and are ruining America with multiculturalism.
Also conservatives: Liberals support Islamist ideology and are responsible for the KKK because 150 years ago.
Again conservatives: But the CSA is Heritage.
Liberals: Really? Fuck you guys.
Conservatives: Nanny, the mean liberal won’t play fair!

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JordanRules  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:20:52am

re: #371 Ace-o-aces

I know, lets give all these stable people all the guns they want!!

//

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Decatur Deb  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:21:36am

re: #322 FormerDirtDart

See, stuff like that is doomed to fail. When you dump ammo like that it’ll show up when they weigh your expended brass at turn in.

In the 70s, Knox turned up about 3 million rounds of small-arms short. A good bit of it turned up at the Louisville PD.

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MsJ  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:21:39am
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Dr. Matt  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:23:10am

re: #370 Shropshire Slasher

cnn.com

Are you fucking idiot or pretending to be one? From the 2016 article you linked to:

Whitney DeCamp, an associate professor of sociology at Western Michigan University, says the evidence points to either no relationship between playing video games and violent behavior or an “insignificant” link between the two.

[…]

He discovered that playing video games, no matter how bloody, did not predict violent behavior.

[…]

He added that newer studies “with better methods” have typically failed to find much evidence of a connection between brutal games and even minor aggressive acts, let alone violence.

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JordanRules  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:27:06am

Oliver herps for me!

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:27:32am

re: #376 Dr. Matt

But it doesn’t happen in other countries!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:28:37am

re: #376 Dr. Matt

Are you fucking idiot or pretending to be one? From the 2016 article you linked to:

He really wants to believe.

We have a Jack Thompson on our hands.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:30:30am

re: #378 Shropshire Slasher

But it doesn’t happen in other countries!

WTF are you rambling about? No one said shootings didn’t happen in other countries. NO ONE. FFS, keep yourself occupied and go play with an electrical outlet.

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Weaselone  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:30:44am

re: #370 Shropshire Slasher

It must be the video games.
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:30:56am

re: #377 JordanRules

Oliver herps for me!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:31:00am

re: #378 Shropshire Slasher

But it doesn’t happen in other countries!

At the same rate it doesn’t, you know this.

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MsJ  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:33:01am

Jesus Christ on a freaking cracker. Make these people go away. Our Revolution. SPIT!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:33:18am

Do we even know how frequently Cruz gamed of at all? Playing video games is really no different from how kids used to play Army or Cowboys & Indians.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:34:04am

re: #384 MsJ

Jesus Christ on a freaking cracker. Make these people go away. Our Revolution. SPIT!

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I feel ashamed that many years ago I once admired him. Kucinich.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:34:06am

re: #370 Shropshire Slasher

re: #381 Weaselone

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:34:58am

re: #387 Dr. Matt

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Man they must never play video games in Japan.

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MsJ  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:35:55am

re: #386 HappyWarrior

I feel ashamed that many years ago I once admired him. Kucinich.

You and me both.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:36:39am

re: #388 HappyWarrior

Man they must never play video games in Japan.

ONLY IN THE US!!!! …..BUT WE’RE NOT ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT THAT!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:37:24am

re: #389 MsJ

You and me both.

He’s proof about the far left-right circular spectrum.

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jaunte  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:38:46am

re: #387 Dr. Matt

I’m not seeing a rational argument in favor of maintaining an unrestricted hobby that contributes to so much death.

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Mike Lamb  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:40:33am

re: #387 Dr. Matt

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But check the rates with machetes, bats, and knives! It’s eleventy billion times higher in other countries than in the US!

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KGxvi  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:40:36am

re: #387 Dr. Matt

Wow, look at all those countries with no mental health problems!

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JordanRules  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:40:38am

re: #389 MsJ

Same here.

Could you imagine still finding him credible? My goodness those folks are dense.

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Mattand  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:42:14am

re: #378 Shropshire Slasher

But it doesn’t happen in other countries!

It doesn’t happen in other countries with the regularity it happens here.

Also, fuck off.

Also also, how has Charles not banned your ass yet?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:43:16am

re: #357 Renaissance_Man

I think that’s drawing a distinction that isn’t there - the belief that guns themselves are this neutral, perfectly ordinary thing that exist in a vacuum completely separate from the manner in which they are used is part of the US gun culture that has gotten us to this point. For things to change, the entire American attitude towards firearms has to change - having them, using them, buying them, carrying them, and so on. There are ways to have firearms in societies without becoming a society of human sacrifice. America’s so far from there it probably won’t get there in our lifetimes. But for it to change, we have to stop pretending that the Sacred Gun is a separate, inviolate thing that is only sullied by our mortal failings.

I agree with you that there is an unhealthy attitude among many Americans that a gun is some sort of magic talisman that will keep us safe from terrorists, home invaders, mass shooters and tyrants.

Look, if you want to use a gun to defend your home, I guess that is your good right. But do not pretend that you can use one to effectively and safely stop an active-shooter situation unless you have years of training and experience, good situational awareness and nerves of steel.

Guns, like anything else, need to be reasonably regulated, and liability is one of the key means through which that can be effected: those who sell, store or transfer guns illegally or improperly must be taken to task for any damage that arises from them.

Nor do I see unlimited access to massive firepower as a God-given or Constitutional right.

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DodgerFan1988  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:44:17am

What a toad.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:45:05am

re: #395 JordanRules

Same here.

Could you imagine still finding him credible? My goodness those folks are dense.

The far left I have serious questions about their judgment and some of them complicity in carrying water for Putin, Assad, & others.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:45:20am

re: #366 scottslemmons

Conservatives: “LET’S KILL ALL THE JEWS AND BLACK PEOPLE!”
Liberals: “Ugh, fuck the Nazis.”
Media: “Whyyyyy must liberals be so profane?!”

Trump: “I’ll pay the legal fees for anybody who beats up a liberal disrupting my rally!”

Liberal: “Is it okay to punch a Nazi?”

Trump: “Liberals promote violence and intolerance!”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:45:44am

re: #398 DodgerFan1988

What a toad.

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Well Donald Sr needn’t worry, Don Jr is his father’s son.

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Renaissance_Man  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:47:13am

re: #397 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I agree with you that there is an unhealthy attitude among many Americans that a gun is some sort of magic talisman that will keep us safe from terrorists, home invaders, mass shooters and tyrants.

Look, if you want to use a gun to defend your home, I guess that is your good right. But do not pretend that you can use one to effectively and safely stop an active-shooter situation unless you have years of training and experience, good situational awareness and nerves of steel.

Guns, like anything else, need to be reasonably regulated, and liability is one of the key means through which that can be effected: those who sell, store or transfer guns illegally or improperly must be taken to task for any damage that arises from them.

Nor do I see unlimited access to massive firepower as a God-given or Constitutional right.

No arguments here. Quoted for emphasis.

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KGxvi  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:47:36am

re: #318 JordanRules

Social conservatives learned a long time ago that rolling back rights, once established is a lot harder than preventing their recognition. It’s why they tend to lose on the “big” abortion question (should it be legal), why they lost on gay marriage (and a hundred other marriage issues, like no fault divorce), and on more mundane things, like access to contraception.

About the only time we have been able to roll back a pre-existing right, if you will, was prohibition. And that turned out… poorly.

The gun issue is going to be very difficult because it’s not so much an issue of the right to self-defense for a lot of people, it’s the right to have this one particular thing, consequences be damned.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:49:00am

If there was something, other than firearms, that had an annual death rate of nearly 4 per 100,000 Americans, you know damned well republican politicians would be grandstanding that something be done about it.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:49:44am

Conservative logic- it’s okay to ban a consumer for being lgbt but not okay for a store to prohibit open carry douche.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:50:19am

re: #403 KGxvi

The gun issue is going to be very difficult because it’s not so much an issue of the right to self-defense for a lot of people, it’s the right to have this one particular thing, consequences be damned.

It is already being framed as “anti-gun” or “pro-confiscation”. But that is not the point at all. It is about establishing effective liability and responsibility for gun use, sale and ownership, which are currently lacking in our extremely pro-gun legal and social climate.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:50:19am

re: #354 FormerDirtDart

Those damn burdensome safety regulations, more unneeded bureaucratic oversight

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See, without the fall ropes, firefighters wouldn’t have to be called to rescue them. Just the Coroner and Sanitation to clean up the mess. Lower cost! Winning!
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Ace-o-aces  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:50:23am
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allegro  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:50:52am

Reason to have a dog #346,892:

When you drop a dish of chocolate pudding on the floor to a great SPLAT! mess, go oh shit and reach for the paper towels and then think hmmmm. Hey Buddy! Want a treat? and walk away. 3 minutes later, a nice clean floor! And a happy buddy. :)

Love ya Budz. Yer da best!
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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:50:56am

re: #388 HappyWarrior

Man they must never play video games in Japan.

IT’S THE CHRISTIAN PRAYER THEY HAVE IN THE CLASSROOMS THAT KEEP THEM SAFE

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jaunte  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:51:17am

re: #406 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is already being framed as “anti-gun” or “pro-confiscation”. But that is not the point at all. It is about establishing effective liability and responsibility for gun use, sale and ownership, which are currently lacking in our extremely pro-gun legal and social climate.

Call it “You helped break it, you bought it.”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:52:13am

re: #408 Ace-o-aces

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I saw a Vice show about his whole UC scam. He really is a pathetic wanker.

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jaunte  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:52:43am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:53:22am

re: #378 Shropshire Slasher

But it doesn’t happen in other countries!

You had to go back a year and a half to find that.

Despite the hoopla about the ‘18 School Shootings so far this year!’ being exaggerated, the number everyone can agree on is FIVE. In 1 1/2 months.

And since the article you linked to debunks its own point, what is YOUR point?

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danarchy  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:53:55am

re: #409 allegro

Reason to have a dog #346,892:

When you drop a dish of chocolate pudding on the floor to a great SPLAT! mess, go oh shit and reach for the paper towels and then think hmmmm. Hey Buddy! Want a treat? and walk away. 3 minutes later, a nice clean floor! And a happy buddy. :)

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I thought dogs aren’t supposed to eat chocolate?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:54:09am

re: #412 HappyWarrior

I saw a Vice show about his whole UC scam. He really is a pathetic wanker.

He went too far with the pedophilia comments, and since he was not running for senate, the Conservatives decided to toss him under the bus over it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:55:28am

re: #413 jaunte

Also More Regulated Than Guns:

• Home insulation & ceiling tiles
• Tour guides
• Alcohol & tobacco
• Freon & Helium
• Human joint replacements
• Electric blankets
• Cosmetics

all those things not Constitutionally guaranteed!!!

AS PART OF A WELL REGULATED MILITIA

*crickets*

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Dr. Matt  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:55:53am

re: #413 jaunte

Consenting humans to research to simply fill out a questionnaire about their demographics and history of risk factors. #truestory

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JordanRules  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:56:24am
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KGxvi  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:56:39am

re: #414 Blind Frog Belly White

You had to go back a year and a half to find that.

Despite the hoopla about the ‘18 School Shootings so far this year!’ being exaggerated, the number everyone can agree on is FIVE. In 1 1/2 months.

And since the article you linked to debunks its own point, what is YOUR point?

Five in seven weeks, and one of those weeks most schools were closed for winter break. So really, five in six weeks.

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jaunte  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:56:45am

re: #417 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“Wimmen’s bodies not in the Consitushun!”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:56:56am

re: #416 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He went too far with the pedophilia comments, and since he was not running for senate, the Conservatives decided to toss him under the bus over it.

Only because he was talking about young men.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:57:50am

re: #422 HappyWarrior

Only because he was talking about young men.

even that is okay if you are a college sportsball coach with a winning record

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:57:52am

re: #408 Ace-o-aces

YouTube

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JordanRules  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:58:16am
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scottslemmons  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:59:13am

re: #409 allegro

Reason to have a dog #346,892:

When you drop a dish of chocolate pudding on the floor to a great SPLAT! mess, go oh shit and reach for the paper towels and then think hmmmm. Hey Buddy! Want a treat? and walk away. 3 minutes later, a nice clean floor! And a happy buddy. :)

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You shouldn’t feed dogs chocolate.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:59:34am

re: #425 JordanRules

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Oh but they won’t. They’ll just talk down to them as if they’re as intelligent as the GOP base.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:59:35am

re: #414 Blind Frog Belly White

And since the article you linked to debunks its own point, what is YOUR point?

Iframe

“Forget it, he’s rolling”

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KGxvi  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:00:01am

re: #425 JordanRules

Adults need to immediately and forever shut up with our “millennial” and “younger generation” complaints

Adults complaining about younger generations is literally as old as society itself. Seriously, Socrates complained about the youth of Athens being lazy for relying on the written word.

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dangerman  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:00:07am

re: #397 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

… But do not pretend that you can use one to effectively and safely stop an active-shooter situation unless you have years of training and experience, good situational awareness and nerves of steel.

soldiers generally know what they are walking into. and when cops, swat, fire rescue go to work sort of knowing what they might have to do that day.

a guy teaching math class is not in that pre-ready/prepared frame of mind - training etc notwithstanding.

Guns, like anything else, need to be reasonably regulated, and liability is one of the key means through which that can be effected: those who sell, store or transfer guns illegally or improperly must be taken to task for any damage that arises from them.

two points - the regulated part is going to be tough. limits, registration, training, required storage, or insurance. the 2A saying what those people think it says, and the intense focus on “shall not be infringed”. now i think it is more possible than ever before - especially that #gundamentalist tweet. but that’s gonna be a big fight. and compliance and verification? wow.

as everyone knows, i think in the shorter run, liability laws are a winner. they would be muchharder to argue against. and can be written in a way that filters out the true bad actors and strongly ncourage those other risk takers and semi-careless to be way more careful. voluntarily.

i believe that 30k number will drop

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:01:34am

re: #430 dangerman

two points - the regulated part is going to be tough. limits, registration, training, required storage, or insurance. the 2A saying what those people think it says, and the intense focus on “shall not be infringed”. now i think it is more possible than ever before - especially that #gundamentalist tweet. but that’s gonna be a big fight. and compliance and verification? wow.

WELL REGULATED is right there in the 2A and comes before the “not infringed” part

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:01:42am

re: #429 KGxvi

Adults complaining about younger generations is literally as old as society itself. Seriously, Socrates complained about the youth of Athens being lazy for relying on the written word.

Damn kids and their cave paintings and rocks and rolling and their fires.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:01:58am

re: #386 HappyWarrior

I feel ashamed that many years ago I once admired him. Kucinich.

I still do. His wife is beautiful.
That’s all I ever admired him for.

btw, there are lots of hateful nitwits who need reporting here:
mediaite.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:02:35am

re: #429 KGxvi

Adults complaining about younger generations is literally as old as society itself. Seriously, Socrates complained about the youth of Athens being lazy for relying on the written word.

There is the point that at a time when there was no paper and vellum was expensive, students were called upon to pay attention and memorize.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:02:58am

re: #396 Mattand

It doesn’t happen in other countries with the regularity it happens here.

Also, fuck off.

Also also, how has Charles not banned your ass yet?

Charles doesn’t ban people for being thick. They have to spew hate to get the boot.

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dangerman  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:03:50am

re: #403 KGxvi

Social conservatives learned a long time ago that rolling back rights, once established is a lot harder than preventing their recognition. It’s why they tend to lose on the “big” abortion question (should it be legal), why they lost on gay marriage (and a hundred other marriage issues, like no fault divorce), and on more mundane things, like access to contraception.

About the only time we have been able to roll back a pre-existing right, if you will, was prohibition. And that turned out… poorly.

The gun issue is going to be very difficult because it’s not so much an issue of the right to self-defense for a lot of people, it’s the right to have this one particular thing, consequences be damned.

attack the lack consequences first. that’s the foot in the door.. no constitutional issue there.

arguing against personal responsibilty will look asinine in the face of the stoneman kids

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jaunte  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:03:51am
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allegro  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:04:14am

re: #414 Blind Frog Belly White

And since the article you linked to debunks its own point, what is YOUR point?

He pissed off librals for the win.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:04:40am

re: #435 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Charles doesn’t ban people for being thick. They have to spew hate to get the boot.

“”Some people are like Slinkies. They aren’t really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to my face when I push them down a flight of stairs.”

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:05:12am

Now, that’s a lede

“The president spent the weekend defending himself, misrepresenting the truth and attacking others from his phone in Florida,”

FNC 02 19 2018 15 00 49

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allegro  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:05:16am

re: #415 danarchy

I thought dogs aren’t supposed to eat chocolate?

Not enough chocolate in the pudding to harm. It’s toxic in large amounts, like when a dog eats a pound of fudge.

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Mattand  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:06:14am

re: #435 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Charles doesn’t ban people for being thick. They have to spew hate to get the boot.

Fair point. Misrepresenting a study to push a right wing talking point, though, has to come close to pushing the line.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:06:22am

re: #440 FormerDirtDart

Now, that’s a lede

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Shep really needs to leave Fox and write an insider’s account.

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Mattand  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:06:55am

re: #439 Blind Frog Belly White

“”Some people are like Slinkies. They aren’t really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to my face when I push them down a flight of stairs.”

LOL.

Before I forget, thanks for the clarification on the Jim Jefferies quote the other day.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:06:59am

re: #441 allegro

Not enough chocolate in the pudding to harm. It’s toxic in large amounts, like when a dog eats a pound of fudge.

Or gets into a jar of M&Ms.

I imagine that the higher the quality of the chocolate, the more toxic it is to dogs.

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KGxvi  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:07:31am

re: #440 FormerDirtDart

Now, that’s a lede

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Video

I’ve seen a bit of commentary on the internet that the typical Fox News viewer does not like Smith at all. My guess is because he’s the only one over there actually telling the truth, or more accurately, telling them things they don’t want to hear.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:07:37am

re: #441 allegro

Not enough chocolate in the pudding to harm. It’s toxic in large amounts, like when a dog eats a pound of fudge.

A pound of fudge would make me sick.

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Renaissance_Man  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:07:52am

re: #437 jaunte

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Well, Kurt, much as I like you, that’s not exactly true. There are whole societies that have consistently attacked women and minorities for being the victims of crime and enshrined it as part of their culture, such as honour killings of rape victims. What we see out of modern American conservatives is their attempt to make our society just like those ones.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:08:05am

re: #444 Mattand

LOL.

Before I forget, thanks for the clarification on the Jim Jefferies quote the other day.

No sweat. I realized that without the context of the whole bit, that part might have been misinterpretable.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:08:33am

re: #445 Blind Frog Belly White

Or gets into a jar of M&Ms.

I imagine that the higher the quality of the chocolate, the more toxic it is to dogs.

Size of the dog matters too.

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KGxvi  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:09:16am

re: #450 HappyWarrior

Size of the dog matters too.

It’s not the size of the dog in the chocolate, it’s the size of the chocolate in the dog? Or something…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:10:00am

re: #451 KGxvi

It’s not the size of the dog in the chocolate, it’s the size of the chocolate in the dog? Or something…

I almost said that.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:10:24am

re: #412 HappyWarrior

I saw a Vice show about his whole UC scam. He really is a pathetic wanker.

Vice has a nasty history too, but them seem to be working to change it.
smartbrief.com

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:11:20am

re: #453 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Vice has a nasty history too, but them seem to be working to change it.
smartbrief.com

Good.

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Mike Lamb  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:12:30am

re: #415 danarchy

I thought dogs aren’t supposed to eat chocolate?

It’s a body weight thing, although it’s approaching urban myth levels for me. My dogs (40-60 lb range) have eaten giant Toblerones, entire bags of like 80% cacao chocolate chips, and all sorts of chocolate goodies. Never had to so much as fart afterwards.

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DodgerFan1988  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:13:32am

Great article by Cracked about how the NRA went from a responsible gun ownership club to the batshit crazy, conspiracy theories spewing, race-baiting, wingnut club we know today.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:14:48am

re: #437 jaunte

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:18:34am

re: #440 FormerDirtDart

Now, that’s a lede

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The people who go to Fox for their brainwashing already switch off when Shep comes on, because facts make their heads hurt.

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dangerman  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:19:38am

re: #431 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

WELL REGULATED is right there in the 2A and comes before the “not infringed” part

you got no argument with me.
the whole militia clause has basically been ignored
somehow that has to change

courts, an amendment, something sweeping far reaching and fundamental. that will be accepted.

i think re-arguing what the 2A “means”, without that sea change first, is not gonna be medium term successful in lowering teh number of gun deaths and shootings

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:20:08am

re: #442 Mattand

Fair point. Misrepresenting a study to push a right wing talking point, though, has to come close to pushing the line.

That just provides an opportunity for the rest of us to shoot down his propaganda. Bullshit does not go unanswered here.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:32:52am

re: #409 allegro

Reason to have a dog #346,892:

When you drop a dish of chocolate pudding on the floor to a great SPLAT! mess, go oh shit and reach for the paper towels and then think hmmmm. Hey Buddy! Want a treat? and walk away. 3 minutes later, a nice clean floor! And a happy buddy. :)

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It IS love your pet day.

You did good.

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Alephnaught  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:44:17am

re: #162 Amory Blaine

CNN Panel Melts Down After Jack Kingston Dismisses Parkland Students as Leftist Stooges

Hmm, I kind of alluded to this in a comment yesterday, but the protests by students appear to be going beyond mere politics- it appears to be going towards an actual generational gap. As in: we can’t trust the Grown-Ups on this: and to fair, who can blame them?

In the face of this, reactions like Mr Kingston’s above are surely going to be viewed by students as part of the problem- exactly the sort of Grown-Up attitude that failed them for far too long.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:48:41am

re: #86 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Chemistry prof daughter sent this:

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I was sort of joking going to suggest that it was a time management issue, that in the time it would take to get the least common denominator for 700 and 753, one could answer a half dozen questions. So I tried it on paper first. It took me seven seconds.

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MsJ  Feb 20, 2018 • 12:13:50pm

re: #415 danarchy

I thought dogs aren’t supposed to eat chocolate?

No but some milk chocolate pudding will likely be ok. Dark chocolate is a killer.

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BlueSpotinAL  Feb 20, 2018 • 12:44:48pm

re: #447 Dr. Matt

A pound of fudge would make me sick.

A pound of fudge is also called a good start, for me.


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