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Kragar  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:00:51pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:06:40pm

re: #1 Kragar

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Somebody forgot to take their Zoloft!

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JordanRules  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:15:11pm
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:21:20pm

Ron Swanson has spoken.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:21:34pm

A wingnut posted this fake George Washington quote about an armed citizenry on Facebook, so I corrected him. The purpose of a “well-regulated militia” is literally the opposite of what wingnuts claim, as one of the enumerated powers of Congress is to call up the militia to suppress insurrections.

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Kragar  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:35:09pm
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JordanRules  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:39:04pm

re: #4 goddamnedfrank

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:41:53pm

I’m going to try to think like a wingnut and then come up with a solution to the school shootings. Give me a second, the spiky metal helmet is hard to bolt on….OK, got it! Now give me a moment to shove my head up my ass to start the conservative thought process…

What we really need to do is to set our schools up like our prisons. Armed teachers, armed guards, guard towers, razor wire, police dogs, electric fences, controlled access, cavity searches… the whole works. The only way we can really show our kids that we love them and will do almost anything to protect them is to lock them up every day.

Back in a few… for some reason I suddenly have an urge to use the bathroom.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:43:55pm

Stuck on the end of the last thread … .

Police Seize 400 Kilos of Cocaine from Russian Embassy in Argentina (goes to Raw Story)

A spokesperson for the embassy said that a gang of criminals was trying to use the embassy’s diplomatic courier service to smuggle the cocaine into Europe.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:45:32pm

re: #8 Odie Hugh Manatee

I’m going to try to think like a wingnut and then come up with a solution to the school shootings. Give me a second, the spiky metal helmet is hard to bolt on….OK, got it! Now give me a moment to shove my head up my ass to start the conservative thought process…

What we really need to do is to set our schools up like our prisons. Armed teachers, armed guards, guard towers, razor wire, police dogs, electric fences, controlled access, cavity searches… the whole works. The only way we can really show our kids that we love them and will do almost anything to protect them is to lock them up every day.

Back in a few… for some reason I suddenly have an urge to use the bathroom.

Except they would have to raise taxes because they are barely willing to fund schools as it is; in Oklahoma many schools are on four day weeks because they are so broke. The real rightwing solution is to make teachers buy their own guns and ammo to bring to school.

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Kragar  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:49:46pm

re: #9 Anymouse 🌹

A gang of criminals is fair description of Russian diplomats

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:57:01pm

re: #10 Big Beautiful Door

Except they would have to raise taxes because they are barely willing to fund schools as it is; in Oklahoma many schools are on four day weeks because they are so broke. The real rightwing solution is to make teachers buy their own guns and ammo to bring to school.

The real goal is to eliminate public education. The more funding mandated to go into school security, the less that goes into education.

Conservatives and libertarians have been after gutting public education for a long time. They have zero intent of raising a dime in taxes to pay for their proposed solution of turning schools into armed camps.

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JordanRules  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:57:22pm

Good collection of photos from The Atlantic.

Photos: Teenagers Demand ‘Never Again’ in an Age of Mass Shootings

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austin_blue  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:07:00pm

Lovely piece of music and a lovely axe.

Watching the Olympics tonight, the Russian Olympic women (girls? 15 and 18?) are just on another planet.

Breathtaking.

Too bad we can’t hack and ‘bot the scoring system so that a mediocre American candidate can win.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:08:15pm

Shooting threat against Scottsblluff (Nebr.) High School determined by Scottsbluff police to be a hoax. According to the police captain of the Scottsbluff Police Department, several police departments across the country are trying to determine where the hoax threat on social media came from.

The threat itself was posted to Twitter, and references “SHS,” which many believed to be Scottsbluff High School.

starherald.com (goes to the Scottsbluff Star-Herald), more at the link with a screenshot of the offending tweets:

In a press release Wednesday night, Scottsbluff Police Capt. Brian Wasson said The Scottsbluff Police Department is aware of a viral post represented to be from a social media user who is making a threat to a school district. In the post, the user makes a threat to “SHS” and some are suspecting this threat is aimed at Scottsbluff High School. While investigating this claim, police found no credible information to believe that this threat is legitimate.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:12:11pm

Local folks here are calling out our congressvarmints for taking NRA money now. In very red Nebraska.

To the Editor:

According to the Center For Responsive Politics, as of February 1, 2018, Adrian Smith has received over $59,000 from gun rights groups. Deb Fischer and Ben Sasse have received $33,000 and $23,000, respectively, from these groups.

In February of 2017 all three voted in favor of HJ Resolution 40. What did HJ Resolution 40 do? It made it easier for people with mental illnesses to buy guns.

starherald.com (Feb 17 letter)

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:19:35pm

The thing that really amazes me is how casually the gun nuts talk about arming teachers. There’s no thought in to all of the time and money that would have to go in to supplying the weapons, setting up an armory to store them, training the teachers in the various tactics and then keeping them up to date or any of that kinda important shit, and then combining that with their teaching job. Nope, it’s just ‘let them pack heat and shoot it out as needed’, nothing more than that. As if a gun and its use is just another requirement that can easily be added to the job of being a teacher.

What happens when a teacher is careless and a suicidal child gets a hold of their gun? What happens when a gun is dropped, discharges and hits a child? What happens if a teacher shoots at an armed kid, misses, pierces the wall behind him and kills a kid in the next classroom? These things will happen. There’s no denying the fact that history proves that the more guns there are in the hands of people, the more often ‘accidents’ happen and people are wounded or die.

Making guns a part of a kid’s everyday school life is no solution to this problem.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:19:36pm

re: #8 Odie Hugh Manatee

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:26:01pm

re: #17 Odie Hugh Manatee

The thing that really amazes me is how casually the gun nuts talk about arming teachers. There’s no thought in to all of the time and money that would have to go in to supplying the weapons, setting up an armory to store them, training the teachers in the various tactics and then keeping them up to date or any of that kinda important shit, and then combining that with their teaching job. Nope, it’s just ‘let them pack heat and shoot it out as needed’, nothing more than that. As if a gun and its use is just another requirement that can easily be added to the job of being a teacher.

What happens when a teacher is careless and a suicidal child gets a hold of their gun? What happens when a gun is dropped, discharges and hits a child? What happens if a teacher shoots at an armed kid, misses, pierces the wall behind him and kills a kid in the next classroom? These things will happen. There’s no denying the fact that history proves that the more guns there are in the hands of people, the more often ‘accidents’ happen and people are wounded or die.

Making guns a part of a kid’s everyday school life is no solution to this problem.

That’s because they don’t care about any of that.

The NRA’s donors (gun manufacturers) only care about one thing: Selling guns. Their congressvarmints who accept money (as noted in comment #16, our congressvarmints are cheap to buy) only want to be elected and take that money.

That’s it. There is nothing else to this. Everything they propose (whether it might work or not) is predicated on the idea of selling more guns.

A gun is an incredibly well-designed and constructed piece of machinery. If you properly maintain and care for a gun, it will last for generations. That means the market becomes saturated unless you can open up a new market to sell more guns.

Thus the only proposals from the NRA are to open new markets (teachers) or complain about treaties (such as those that prevent US gun manufacturers from dumping guns around the world).

It is also why there are attacks on nations such as Australia (their laws can’t work here) or France (they’ll just use a truck).

The entire point is to sell more guns, and they will misdirect, lie, or buy politicians as necessary to do that.

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Cheechako  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:26:56pm

Look ahead to the upcoming mid-term elections. In Florida, as well as every other state, there are many high school seniors who are currently 18. And there are many more who are now 17 but will turn 18 before the November elections. These students will certainly have a major impact on the local, State, and national elections.

The are pissed and will come out and vote.

Every politician who opposes any type of gun control legislation should be terrified of this voting block.

On top of this, many currently aged 15-17 will be able to vote in 2020.

These “kids” are articulate, involved, and and have a clear understanding of the issues.

They will be the heroes in moving gun control legislation forward.

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Aussie Apocalypse  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:27:10pm

re: #17 Odie Hugh Manatee

What strikes me as an oddity, there isn’t any suggestion on non-lethal force, like tazers, MACE or those pepper paintball guns.

Its obvious the reason though.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:29:51pm

re: #21 Aussie Apocalypse

What strikes me as an oddity, there isn’t any suggestion on non-lethal force, like tazers, MACE or those pepper paintball guns.

Its obvious the reason though.

Non-lethal force doesn’t sell more guns. That’s why they don’t suggest it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:32:49pm
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:38:26pm

re: #17 Odie Hugh Manatee

The thing that really amazes me is how casually the gun nuts talk about arming teachers. There’s no thought in to all of the time and money that would have to go in to supplying the weapons, setting up an armory to store them, training the teachers in the various tactics and then keeping them up to date or any of that kinda important shit, and then combining that with their teaching job. Nope, it’s just ‘let them pack heat and shoot it out as needed’, nothing more than that. As if a gun and its use is just another requirement that can easily be added to the job of being a teacher.

What happens when a teacher is careless and a suicidal child gets a hold of their gun? What happens when a gun is dropped, discharges and hits a child? What happens if a teacher shoots at an armed kid, misses, pierces the wall behind him and kills a kid in the next classroom? These things will happen. There’s no denying the fact that history proves that the more guns there are in the hands of people, the more often ‘accidents’ happen and people are wounded or die.

Making guns a part of a kid’s everyday school life is no solution to this problem.

Also just imagine being an insurance underwriter trying to figure out exactly what kinds of incidents a district wide policy for armed school teachers should cover and how much it will cost? I doubt that the idea is at all conducive to actuarial reality and that any insurance company will go along with this cluster fuck of an idea.

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JordanRules  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:44:46pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:45:11pm

re: #22 Anymouse 🌹

Non-lethal force doesn’t sell more guns. That’s why they don’t suggest it.

Also, I doubt Mace and Tazer manufacturers are sending as much money to the GOP as gun groups.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:45:53pm

That first article (the drag queen one) is about Sheriff Israel of Broward County, Fla., where the GOP candidate who ran against him three years ago put up contradictory to each other YouTube videos to try to smear him.

They are being pushed again by SMOTI, because despite a request by Sheriff Israel, YouTube won’t take them down. (At this point, I think he should sue for libel, but that’s me.)

Wonkette notes that the woman in the videos might be a “crisis actor,” since it would appear the GOP and the NRA are in crisis right now.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 12:01:37am

More than half of the speakers scheduled for the NRA’s May convention have now dropped out.

juanitajean.com (shows old and new lists)

Juanita Jean also notes in another article about how effective the boycotts against Rush Limbaugh’s advertisers have been (with Rush losing money now and screaming about liberals squashing free speech).

As such, she has a list of companies that support the NRA. She wouldn’t suggest anything like writing them and telling them why you won’t do any business with them though.

juanitajean.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 12:11:43am

Trump Thinks We Need a Ratings System for Movies (goes to New York Magazine)

For decades, the Entertainment Software Rating Board has rated video games based on their content. For even longer, the MPAA has done the same for movies.

President Trump doesn’t seem to know that either exists. During a White House meeting on Thursday, Trump suggested “ratings systems” for violent video games and movies, which he said play a role in warping young minds and contribute to mass shootings.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 23, 2018 • 12:21:51am

re: #29 Anymouse 🌹

Trump Thinks We Need a Ratings System for Movies (goes to New York Magazine)

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He’s so utterly out-of-touch it’d be laughable if it wasn’t for the fact that he’s the goddamn President.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 23, 2018 • 12:27:33am

re: #12 Anymouse 🌹

The real goal is to eliminate public education. The more funding mandated to go into school security, the less that goes into education.

Conservatives and libertarians have been after gutting public education for a long time. They have zero intent of raising a dime in taxes to pay for their proposed solution of turning schools into armed camps.

This is what happens when we put Capitalists in charge of the country.

They look on things like education, health care, environment, infrastructure and safety as cost factors to be minimized to increase profits, instead of as investments in a healthy workforce, a dynamic economy and a prosperous society.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 23, 2018 • 12:29:08am

re: #30 Dr Lizardo

He’s so utterly out-of-touch it’d be laughable if it wasn’t for the fact that he’s millions of people voted to make him the goddamn President.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 12:33:45am

Dictionary (dot) com trolls Gov. Bruce Rauner (R) of Illinois.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 23, 2018 • 12:35:19am

re: #33 Anymouse 🌹

Dictionary (dot) com trolls Gov. Bruce Rauner (R) of Illinois.

I good visual avoids hours of tedious discussion of actual relevant issues…

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 23, 2018 • 1:03:42am

re: #29 Anymouse 🌹

Trump Thinks We Need a Ratings System for Movies (goes to New York Magazine)

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From scapegoating mental illness to promoting censorship, the RWNJs are starting a massive push to exploit the massacres. Yet trying to limit the supply of suitable weapons is “political.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 23, 2018 • 1:05:28am

re: #35 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

From scapegoating mental illness to promoting censorship, the RWNJs are starting a massive push to exploit the massacres. Yet trying to limit the supply of suitable weapons is “political.”

There are so many ways to distract the discussion from the issue of weapons and access to them. Let us try to keep them on track.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 1:06:30am

re: #36 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There are so many ways to distract the discussion from the issue of weapons and access to them. Let us try to keep them on track.

The common factor behind every school shooting … what could it be … (guns)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 23, 2018 • 1:10:31am

re: #37 Anymouse 🌹

The common factor behind every school shooting … what could it be … (guns)

The RW is selling us that the FBI was so distracted trying to frame Trump for nonexistent collusion that it neglect ted its task, which was to protect innocent schoolchildren from heavily armed, mentally unstable assailants.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 1:16:34am

re: #38 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The RW is selling us that the FBI was so distracted trying to frame Trump for nonexistent collusion that it neglect ted its task, which was to protect innocent schoolchildren from heavily armed, mentally unstable assailants.

They’re trying anything and everything, to see if anything will stick.

It’s not like the FBI can only do one investigation at a time. Moreover, Mr. Mueller is no longer part of the FBI.

And, there was nothing in Florida law to prevent the killer from purchasing his weapons.

He was a good guy with a gun, right up until he wasn’t. The Florida Legislature did the important thing though, passing a resolution for a remembrance ribbon for Parkland.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 1:21:13am

Moreover, mentally unstable doesn’t really qualify as “mass murderer.” Mass murder actually takes some planning and work, something an “unstable” person can’t really do well.

Right-wingers claiming the guy is “crazy” as well: As my mother, the psychologist and airport musician (those are related fields) notes, “crazy is a technical term for use by professionals only.”

At some point we’re just going to have to call them “liars.” They don’t care.

At some point we’re going to have to equate conservatism with a blood sacrifice religion.

As Steven Weinberg noted:

Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. (1999)

Conservatism is a religion, one that requires blood sacrifice. It makes good people do evil things.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 23, 2018 • 1:24:22am

Texas grants clemency to Thomas Whitaker minutes before execution

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott has commuted the death sentence of a man who masterminded the murder of his mother and brother after the inmate’s father, who barely survived the crime, pleaded for his killer son’s life to be spared.

Whitaker was convicted of conspiring to murder his parents and brother for a family inheritance. Whitaker’s roommate was the actual triggerman. Lots of Bible quotes around the Clemency Board’s hearings and decision on this. So, there is mercy; for white people from upstanding, financially solvent families, severely depleted though they may be. Trash and “others” still get the needle.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 23, 2018 • 1:29:30am

I recall the RW being up in arms at the though that some liberal college-educated psychologist could deny an American his right to own weapons simply by diagnosing him as “mentally unstable”…

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 23, 2018 • 1:31:26am

re: #42 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I recall the RW being up in arms at the though that some liberal college-educated psychologist could deny an American his right to own weapons simply by diagnosing him as “mentally unstable”…

Pointy headed libs won’t be allowed to make those decisions. They will be left in the hands of trustworthy local authorities like elected sheriffs and clergy.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 1:35:24am

re: #43 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Pointy headed libs won’t be allowed to make those decisions. They will be left in the hands of trustworthy local authorities like elected sheriffs and clergy.

State test questions for competency board:

a) Are you registered as a Democrat?
b) Have you ever in the past voted for or donated to Democrats?

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 1:40:30am

re: #41 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Texas grants clemency to Thomas Whitaker minutes before execution

Whitaker was convicted of conspiring to murder his parents and brother for a family inheritance. Whitaker’s roommate was the actual triggerman. Lots of Bible quotes around the Clemency Board’s hearings and decision on this. So, there is mercy; for white people from upstanding, financially solvent families, severely depleted though they may be. Trash and “others” still get the needle.

I am opposed to the death penalty in nearly all cases. (In certain instances under the UCMJ, such as compelling surrender or espionage it would be a tougher decision.)

That said, in any case where a judge grants mercy to a convicted criminal, it is a suspension of justice for the victims of the crime.

And in the case of a clemency hearing (or any other legislative or judicial hearing) the Bible should have no bearing on the case. Only the facts of the case and the laws which apply should have a bearing.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 2:10:37am

Tomi Lahren “outed as a crisis actor” in a Daily Show spoof:

CRISIS ACTOR EXPOSED!!! #TAMMYMUSTGO

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 23, 2018 • 2:12:14am

I missed this SciFi series when it came out but I stumbled across it on Amazon Prime. I tend not to use AP because as a web based video it has no discrete 5.1 audio (Yay, Netflix App). Earth: Final Conflict is a really good show by Majel Barrett. Here’s the first episode.

Earth Final Conflict S01E01 Decision

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 2:28:52am

consumer.ftc.gov

The FTC has issued warnings about downloading VPN applications for cell phones.

While the majority of them are just fine, some actually encrypt nothing, and some actually collect information about you. They suggest researching the app before downloading it.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 23, 2018 • 2:29:38am

Finally getting around to commenting on this. As a veteran, a former police officer, AND a former teacher, I cannot find the words to express how disgusted I am at this. This guy had been on the payroll, toting a gun, for 33 years. The one time in all those years that it really counted, he decided to run away and hide. His salary was around 80K and his pension will be 75% of that.
Armed sheriff’s deputy stayed outside Florida school while mass killing took place

Deputy who didn’t stop Florida shooting thinks he ‘did a good job’
I also see that local police are guarding his home 24/7 because of numerous death threats. What if those “good guys with guns” are also abject cowards?

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 2:48:11am

Vice-President Pence is probably coming home from the Olympics early to attend the funeral of Rev. Billy Graham, now scheduled for March 2.

As I noted in my update to the county with my other hat (flag committee chair)

newsobserver.com (Goes to the Charlotte, NC, News & Observer, with information about the upcoming funeral arrangements for Rev. Billy Graham in Charlotte, NC)
whitehouse.gov (Presidential proclamation)
governor.nebraska.gov (Comment by Nebraska Gov. Pete Ricketts on the death of Billy Graham)
billygraham.org (Billy Graham Evangelical Association, details of events and procession from Asheville to Charlotte)

In accordance with President Trump’s proclamation previously released, the US Flag is to be placed at half-staff on the day of interment for Rev. Billy Graham, announced now as Friday, March 2.

Rev. Graham will lie in repose at the Billy Graham Library in Charlotte on February 26 and 27, and in the US Capitol Rotunda February 28 and March 1. His funeral will be private, attended by family, friends, President Trump, and Vice-President Pence.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 3:09:55am

re: #49 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Finally getting around to commenting on this. As a veteran, a former police officer, AND a former teacher, I cannot find the words to express how disgusted I am at this. This guy had been on the payroll, toting a gun, for 33 years. The one time in all those years that it really counted, he decided to run away and hide. His salary was around 80K and his pension will be 75% of that.
Armed sheriff’s deputy stayed outside Florida school while mass killing took place

Deputy who didn’t stop Florida shooting thinks he ‘did a good job’
I also see that local police are guarding his home 24/7 because of numerous death threats. What if those “good guys with guns” are also abject cowards?

The test of courage doesn’t come from putting on a uniform. It comes when all the training is put to the test, whether the Army, the police, firefighters, &c.

I haven’t seen the security video that Sheriff Israel released so I don’t know the details other than he did not enter the school to confront the shooter.

I can imagine scenarios why he might not (unknown number of shooters, dramatically outgunned, staying alive so he could direct backup forces, &c).

His one job as a school resource officer is to provide a response to a threatening situation to students (and often it seems school resource officers are called upon to handcuff students that sass a teacher or fail to turn in homework).

Without viewing the video or investigative reports, I can’t say whether his response was appropriate, or cowardice.

That said, the idea that an armed police officer did not take on a murderer who was killing unarmed students in his area of responsibility seems repugnant to me.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 23, 2018 • 3:11:18am

What also comes through is how complicit the Trump campaign was in accepting Manafort’s offer of free help. He was a well-known player. For any other campaign red flags would have shot right off the top of the flagpoles.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 3:25:20am

re: #52 Barefoot Grin

That does make one go “hmmm.” Considering how disinterested Trump seems to be in everything but self-promotion or golf, however, I can imagine him jumping on the idea of free help (considering how famous Mr. Trump is about paying his workers).

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 23, 2018 • 3:42:40am

re: #53 Anymouse 🌹

That does make one go “hmmm.” Considering how disinterested Trump seems to be in everything but self-promotion or golf, however, I can imagine him jumping on the idea of free help (considering how famous Mr. Trump is about paying his workers).

It’s amazing how often the choice is either he’s incompetently corrupt or criminally negligent.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 3:43:33am

From the radiologist who wrote an article for The Atlantic, who was on duty when the Parkland mass-murder occurred, and diagnosed several of the victims comes this bit:

A medical professor taught me about the dangers of drawing incorrect conclusions from data with the example of gum chewing, smokers, and lung cancer. He said smokers may be more likely to chew gum to cover bad breath, but that one cannot look at the data and decide that gum chewing causes lung cancer. It is the same type of erroneous logic that focuses on mental health after mass shootings, when banning the sale of semi-automatic rifles would be a far more effective means of preventing them.

Banning the AR-15 should not be a partisan issue. While there may be no consensus on many questions of gun control, there seems to be broad support for removing high-velocity, lethal weaponry and high-capacity magazines from the market, which would drastically reduce the incidence of mass murders. Every constitutionally guaranteed right that we are blessed to enjoy comes with responsibilities. Even our right to free speech is not limitless. Second Amendment gun rights must respect the same boundaries.

theatlantic.com

The whole article is worth reading.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 23, 2018 • 3:45:15am

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, I doubt Mace and Tazer manufacturers are sending as much money to the GOP as gun groups.

In an active shooting situation where the culprit is armed with an AR15, I doubt if any police response would be the use of Mace or Tasers. It doesn’t seem like an effective approach in that situation.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 23, 2018 • 3:46:38am

re: #54 Barefoot Grin

It’s amazing how often the choice is either he’s incompetently corrupt or criminally negligent.

Why not both?

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 3:48:28am

re: #56 Hecuba’s daughter

In an active shooting situation where the culprit is armed with an AR15, I doubt if any police response would be the use of Mace or Tasers. It doesn’t seem like an effective approach in that situation.

Well, they would be effective if the shooter was hit before the respondent was killed.

I sure wouldn’t want to go into a war situation armed with Mace or a Taser or pepper spray though.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 4:15:05am

I hear gunfire down at the North Platte River (hunting season).

Interestingly, the sun is not up yet (it is 5:15 here). That shouldn’t be happening, and what the heck can you see to shoot at in the dark?

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 4:16:37am
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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 4:20:45am

Series of fourteen tweets on a suggestion about taking on the NRA:

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Cheechako  Feb 23, 2018 • 4:20:50am

re: #59 Anymouse 🌹

I hear gunfire down at the North Platte River (hunting season).

Interestingly, the sun is not up yet (it is 5:15 here). That shouldn’t be happening, and what the heck can you see to shoot at in the dark?

That’s known in hunting lore as “taking a sound shot”. Taking a shot at the sound of a duck/goose flying over you.

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The Major  Feb 23, 2018 • 4:26:05am
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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 4:28:33am

re: #63 The Major

Perhaps he needs to assuage his feelings with poutine and Tim Horton’s coffee?

Seems even Canadian snowflakes melt in February… .

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jeffreyw  Feb 23, 2018 • 4:44:14am

Imgur

Imgur

Good morning!

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Dave In Austin  Feb 23, 2018 • 4:48:23am

This whole thread has some awesome photos.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 4:48:58am

Mother Jones explains what the NRA means when they want to “harden schools,” such as removing trees, installing perimeter fencing, and bricking up windows.

The NRA’s Plan to Harden Schools Is Terrifying

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Dave In Austin  Feb 23, 2018 • 4:50:17am

I really like this one.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 23, 2018 • 4:54:34am

re: #67 Anymouse 🌹

School are supposed to have playgrounds

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 23, 2018 • 5:04:46am

re: #63 The Major

A Canadian wingnut? Egad! We’re even outsourcing our nutjobs now.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 23, 2018 • 5:07:25am

re: #65 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

If I had that breakfast I’d be like:

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 5:10:09am

re: #69 Dave In Austin

School are supposed to have playgrounds

Schools are supposed to instill fear in students to create conservative voters.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 23, 2018 • 5:10:09am

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2018 • 5:10:44am

re: #69 Dave In Austin

School are supposed to have playgrounds

We call those “confidence courses” now.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 5:11:28am

re: #70 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

A Canadian wingnut? Egad! We’re even outsourcing our nutjobs now.

Stefan Molyneux is rather infamous amongst the atheist community as a long-time wingnut.

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DodgerFan1988  Feb 23, 2018 • 5:14:01am
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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 5:14:11am
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Barefoot Grin  Feb 23, 2018 • 5:14:42am

re: #74 Decatur Deb

We call those “confidence courses” now.

Gym teachers now teach “hit the dirt,” “roll over,” and “serpentine!”

The In-Laws (1979): Getting off the plane in Tijuara

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2018 • 5:17:25am

he’s awake and still a moron…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2018 • 5:17:49am

re: #70 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

A Canadian wingnut? Egad! We’re even outsourcing our nutjobs now.

If the government forced the school to be a gun free zone, the resource officer would not have been armed. The resource officer fleeing if anything proves how stupid people you are about giving everyone guns.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 5:18:45am

I’ve Been Shot in Combat: As a Veteran, I’m Telling You: Allowing Teachers to Be Armed Is a Bad Idea (goes to Charlotte Five), more at the lnk:

After the most recent school shooting, this time at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, where a 19-year old gunman was charged with killing 17 people, debate flows freely, yet again, on how to best prevent these tragedies from ever happening. Anyone with a heart can surely agree this is the overall goal. The morning after the shooting, NC State Representative Larry Pittman (R-Cabarrus County) stated that he wants to work with police to train and allow teachers to carry guns in attempt to limit the death and destruction caused during a school shooting.

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freetoken  Feb 23, 2018 • 5:18:53am

re: #47 Single-handed sailor

I missed this SciFi series when it came out but I stumbled across it on Amazon Prime. I tend not to use AP because as a web based video it has no discrete 5.1 audio (Yay, Netflix App). Earth: Final Conflict is a really good show by Majel Barrett. Here’s the first episode.

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The first season was promising, but it went downhill from there, according to many.

I too was surprised that it popped up on Prime.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2018 • 5:19:21am

re: #79 Backwoods_Sleuth

he’s awake and still a moron…

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He again shows how shit little he knows.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 23, 2018 • 5:21:23am

Really don’t care about Ivanka “representing our country” in South Korea. How about we get an ambassador?

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 5:23:52am

re: #79 Backwoods_Sleuth

he’s awake and still a moron…

My daughter, Ivanka, just arrived in South Korea. We cannot have a better, or smarter, person representing our country.

Except maybe an ambassador to South Korea… .

I get Mike Pence returning for Billy Graham’s funeral, despite Rev. Graham being an unrepentant anti-Semite. If Rexxon Tillerson wasn’t so concerned about his Russian oil investments, maybe he would be a good choice.

Ivanka Trump is just nepotistic fluff.

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MsJ  Feb 23, 2018 • 5:25:22am

re: #20 Cheechako

Look ahead to the upcoming mid-term elections. In Florida, as well as every other state, there are many high school seniors who are currently 18. And there are many more who are now 17 but will turn 18 before the November elections. These students will certainly have a major impact on the local, State, and national elections.

The are pissed and will come out and vote.

Every politician who opposes any type of gun control legislation should be terrified of this voting block.

On top of this, many currently aged 15-17 will be able to vote in 2020.

These “kids” are articulate, involved, and and have a clear understanding of the issues.

They will be the heroes in moving gun control legislation forward.

These kids are the very reason Republicans hate education. They want compliance not independent thought.

As for voting, Republicans are doing everything they can to ensure that votes don’t count. They just replaced the guy who was in charge of ensuing votes can’t be hacked with a hack. The guy that was replaced was competent and Republicans hate competency.

I don’t know what is going to take if they hack voting machines. Turnout won’t matter. This is life under Republicans. They can’t win but for cheating. They ARE Russians in thought and spirit.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2018 • 5:25:25am

re: #84 Barefoot Grin

Really don’t care about Ivanka “representing our country” in South Korea. How about we get an ambassador?

Exactly. Get someone who probably speaks Korean, understands the region, etc. We have a foreign service for a reason.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 23, 2018 • 5:33:45am

Whatever happened to Nyet? Haven’t seen a posting from him in awhile. I’m not on Twitter — is he still active there?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2018 • 5:34:55am

re: #88 Hecuba’s daughter

Whatever happened to Nyet? Haven’t seen a posting from him in awhile. I’m not on Twitter — is he still active there?

Think I saw Sergey last week. Perhaps he’s traveling? I don’t think he left.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 23, 2018 • 5:37:59am

re: #47 Single-handed sailor

I missed this SciFi series when it came out but I stumbled across it on Amazon Prime. I tend not to use AP because as a web based video it has no discrete 5.1 audio (Yay, Netflix App). Earth: Final Conflict is a really good show by Majel Barrett. Here’s the first episode.

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It’s really not a good show. It’s a bad show with good effects that had a lot of squandered potential. You’ll see. It gets worse over time.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 23, 2018 • 5:38:21am

re: #33 Anymouse 🌹

Dictionary (dot) com trolls Gov. Bruce Rauner (R) of Illinois. [on chocolate milk]

Both they and Webster’s are doing an excellent job of trolling. And, from a chemistry/physics POV, chocolate milk is pretty much the opposite of diversity. It’s a heterogeneous mixture that is (within reason) equally distributed. No diversity; all gulps are the same.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 23, 2018 • 5:41:31am

Best burn of the day from the Austin Statesman:

@DeutscheMark And, what part of Texas is Shakespeare (or for that matter, Portia) from? Try an original thought instead of ad hominem attacks on other commenters.

@StillJoeSchmoes @DeutscheMark Most Texans think Shakespeare is a brand of fishing reel.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2018 • 5:43:38am

“He was stoking these fears not just of Second Amendment infringements, but of trampling and confiscation of individual liberties across the board,” said reporter Jeremy Peters. “That’s what he said, and it’s an interesting shift in strategy for a group like the NRA which no longer has a president in the White House to demean and to demonize and to make an enemy of, so what they’ve done is they’ve said, ‘Okay, there’s a much broader conspiracy — it’s no longer coming just from the Democrats, it’s coming from the media, it’s coming from the intel community, it’s coming from the government and they are going to get you, and the ultimate goal is to take your guns.’”

But the speech didn’t seem to go over well with younger conservative activists, Peters said, prompting LaPierre to re-enact Jeb Bush’s infamous “please clap” moment.

“The room was not with Wayne LaPierre yesterday,” Peters said. “Actually, at one point he stopped and he said, ‘I sense it’s a little quiet out there.’ It was quiet, he said, because they must be scared and all gun owners should be. But the reason they were quiet is because they weren’t buying what he was selling.”

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BigPapa  Feb 23, 2018 • 5:44:58am

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2018 • 5:45:03am

re: #8 Odie Hugh Manatee

I’m going to try to think like a wingnut and then come up with a solution to the school shootings. Give me a second, the spiky metal helmet is hard to bolt on….OK, got it! Now give me a moment to shove my head up my ass to start the conservative thought process…

What we really need to do is to set our schools up like our prisons. Armed teachers, armed guards, guard towers, razor wire, police dogs, electric fences, controlled access, cavity searches… the whole works. The only way we can really show our kids that we love them and will do almost anything to protect them is to lock them up every day.

Back in a few… for some reason I suddenly have an urge to use the bathroom.

And just think, once the shooter gets inside, he’ll have uninterrupted access to targets that won’t be able to escape.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2018 • 5:45:37am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2018 • 5:46:16am

re: #93 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Good. His act is growing stale even with conservatives.

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darthstar  Feb 23, 2018 • 5:47:12am

This.

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darthstar  Feb 23, 2018 • 5:48:23am
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Dave In Austin  Feb 23, 2018 • 5:49:53am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 23, 2018 • 5:51:24am

re: #59 Anymouse 🌹

I hear gunfire down at the North Platte River (hunting season).

Interestingly, the sun is not up yet (it is 5:15 here). That shouldn’t be happening, and what the heck can you see to shoot at in the dark?

Deer hunting with spotlights?

Half/

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Aussie Apocalypse  Feb 23, 2018 • 5:52:41am

re: #59 Anymouse 🌹

Rogue Lyrebirds?

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sagehen  Feb 23, 2018 • 5:56:16am

Good article from raw story last night:

rawstory.com

The Second Amendment was ratified to preserve slavery

The real reason the Second Amendment was ratified, and why it says “State” instead of “Country” (the Framers knew the difference - see the 10th Amendment), was to preserve the slave patrol militias in the southern states, which was necessary to get Virginia’s vote. Founders Patrick Henry, George Mason, and James Madison were totally clear on that … and we all should be too.

Plenty of good backup, contemporaneous quotes from the Constitutional Convention, that the whole point of it was that Slave Patrols under State authority would be immune from any federal effort to limit their work — just in case abolitionists ever took control of the Congress or Presidency.

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I cannot.  Feb 23, 2018 • 5:56:39am

re: #88 Hecuba’s daughter

I just checked on Twitter, his last tweet was three days ago…so about five years in Twitter Time.

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darthstar  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:00:55am

Friend of mine is traveling around India for 3-4 weeks. He’s been posting pics and shit on facebook. Traveling with a cousin of his who has been spiritually awakened, so lots of temples, meals with swamis cooked over open fires, and then the occasional 5 star hotel when available because he did just sell his company recently and retire at 50. Been enjoying the crap out of his posts. Here’s one from this morning.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:01:19am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:01:38am

re: #65 jeffreyw

Red Bellied (is it? the crest doesn’t look quite right, but) woodpecker say “ what da fuk the chimney thing?”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:04:23am

*blink*

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darthstar  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:06:40am

re: #108 Backwoods_Sleuth

*blink*

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:06:55am

re: #108 Backwoods_Sleuth

*blink*

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She’s full of shit.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:08:50am

re: #92 Dave In Austin

Best burn of the day from the Austin Statesman:

@DeutscheMark And, what part of Texas is Shakespeare (or for that matter, Portia) from? Try an original thought instead of ad hominem attacks on other commenters.

@StillJoeSchmoes @DeutscheMark Most Texans think Shakespeare is a brand of fishing reel.

Shakespeare in the original Klingon

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Dave In Austin  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:10:20am

Has Dana had the conversation about tissue damage caused by a fragmented, tumbling 5.52 rd? Maybe she should sit in on a autopsy or 2.

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makeitstop  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:10:26am

This is one of the best threads ever posted to Twitter. No contest.

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jeffreyw  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:10:42am

re: #101 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Deer hunting with spotlights?

Half/

YouTube

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:12:50am
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makeitstop  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:13:00am

re: #108 Backwoods_Sleuth

goes on to argue that AR-15s are often used by young women to defend themselves

I actually saw someone use this argument on Facebook yesterday - that women use them ‘if they’re coming home from a bar and fighting off multiple attackers.’
Everyone on the thread was like, ‘What???’

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darthstar  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:13:36am

Trump calls victims and praises himself. It’s his MO.

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jeffreyw  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:14:16am

re: #107 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Red Bellied (is it? the crest doesn’t look quite right, but) woodpecker say “ what da fuk the chimney thing?”

Yes, it’s a Red Bellied. He’s a regular at this feeder.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:14:45am

re: #116 makeitstop

I actually saw someone use this argument on Facebook yesterday - that women use them ‘if they’re coming home from a bar and fighting off multiple attackers.’
Everyone on the thread was like, ‘What???’

LOL I would think the vast majority of firearms used in home self-defense are either handguns or shotguns. Maybe, once in a blue moon, a long rifle because that’s all the individual has at hand.

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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:15:13am

Morning.

It appears there are several central Ohio schools that are either closed today, delayed or have ramped up Columbus police security due to threats.

What a mess this country is.

Just look at the front page of local NBC TV channel 4.

NBC4i

- Fairfield Union schools on lockdown after ‘armed and dangerous’ suspect reported in area

- Lakewood becomes latest Ohio school district to close due to precaution

- Lancaster High School closed Friday after student receives threat

- Licking Heights student accused of threatening school, classes canceled Friday after racial hate speech found

Thanks Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:16:00am
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makeitstop  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:16:55am

re: #119 Dr Lizardo

LOL I would think the vast majority of firearms used in home self-defense are either handguns or shotguns. Maybe, once in a blue moon, a long rifle because that’s all the individual has at hand.

And that unbelievably stupid argument would suppose that a woman went out bar-hopping with a fucking AR-15.

Sheah, happens all the time around here.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:17:07am

re: #117 darthstar

Trump calls victims and praises himself. It’s his MO.

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darthstar  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:17:36am
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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:17:44am

re: #110 HappyWarrior

She’s full of shit.

What is she doing on CNN? I thought she hated them after they almost got her killed by meanie liberals at the CNN townhall meeting Wednesday night?

Oh yeah, her important NRA messages must get out. Big Brother Gun is reeling.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:18:38am
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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:21:38am

re: #120 ObserverArt

Morning.

It appears there are several central Ohio schools that are either closed today, delayed or have ramped up Columbus police security due to threats.

What a mess this country is.

Just look at the front page of local NBC TV channel 4.

NBC4i

- Fairfield Union schools on lockdown after ‘armed and dangerous’ suspect reported in area

- Lakewood becomes latest Ohio school district to close due to precaution

- Lancaster High School closed Friday after student receives threat

- Licking Heights student accused of threatening school, classes canceled Friday after racial hate speech found

Thanks Trump.

To add: I forgot to mention that Columbus Public Schools also had some issues and have increased police security today. That was not on the front page as far as I can tell. I heard that on the news itself.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:23:28am

re: #97 HappyWarrior

Good. His act is growing stale even with conservatives.

Ultimately, the issue is whether you want to find out your child was killed by a mass-murderer.

Conservative voters love their children as well. They will come down on the side of their own children over the NRA.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:24:42am

re: #108 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trumptonian exaggeration and distortion.

Ask anyone who owns an AR if they would want their next door inexpert neighbor to open up on intruders with it. Especially if it’s a larger caliber than originally designed. There is a very good reason police carry pistols (often 9mm rather than more powerful) and shotguns for the most part. Innocents getting shot to death or wounded.

You might recall the infamous North Hollywood bank heist and gunfight. Bullets in bullet holes were found way into buildings. Through walls and glass.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:26:09am

God Damn it!!

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Dave In Austin  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:27:17am
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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:27:29am

re: #115 Backwoods_Sleuth

People are confused why this newspaper felt compelled to protect the donkeys’ anonymityhttps://thepoke.co.uk … h/t

They’re under-age.

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makeitstop  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:29:02am

re: #123 Backwoods_Sleuth

Parkland survivor Samantha Fuentes, who was shot in both legs, said she’d felt no reassurance during a phone call from Trump: “Talking to the president, I’ve never been so unimpressed by a person in my life. He didn’t make me feel better in the slightest.”

I’m trying to parse this. Not having a lot of luck.

But from the repeated ‘oh, boys,’ it sounds like they made him get on the phone with this girl, and after he talked about how she was his ‘fan’ (WTAF) he completely ran out of things to say and was fumfering around until he got off the phone.

It’s no wonder this country is a laughingstock now. We elected a shitheel with zero social skills to be our face to the world.

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dangerman  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:29:42am

sam cooke reminds me that mrs dm sends me

YouTube

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darthstar  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:30:47am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:32:16am

re: #128 Anymouse 🌹

Ultimately, the issue is whether you want to find out your child was killed by a mass-murderer.

Conservative voters love their children as well. They will come down on the side of their own children over the NRA.

Well it was the younger activists unmoved but that’s true.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:32:18am

Trump want’s to pull out ICE to punish us Californians? Oh please sir do us that favor.

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MsJ  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:33:30am

re: #123 Backwoods_Sleuth

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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:33:47am

Just saw this at the front page of the local NBC news website I linked above.

It is an opinion letter written by the senior newscaster at the station Colleen Marshall. She also does the local Sunday politics talk show that is on before Meet The Press…so she is political and I have a feeling she is a moderate conservative. She is also a lawyer and I think keeps her license current.

Her target for this letter: Dana Loesch.

Colleen Marshall: ‘I am a crying white mother’

I am appalled by the claim made by NRA spokeswoman and conservative radio host, Dana Loesch, that journalists revel in mass shootings because they are “ratings gold” and nothing is better for our broadcasts than “crying white mothers.”

I am a mother, who sometimes fights tears on the set and too often cries in the car on the way home late at night after a day of talking about police officers gunned down in the line of duty, or children running for their lives with their hands up. I am distressed by the opiate epidemic. I am saddened when people are flooded from their homes. I am troubled by murder in any color. And, increasingly, I am angry that journalists are under attack anytime someone wants to deflect criticism or excuse their own misdeeds.

17 people are dead because a troubled teenager opened fire in a school hallway with an AR-15. Some were shot in the back as they ran for cover. Some died leading others to safety. Some were white, some Asian, some Hispanic. Nine died in the Charleston Church massacre. All were black. 26 people died at Newtown. Some were white, some were black. They are all dead.

We need to grieve each senseless act of violence and mourn each life lost to murder, but it is impossible for the nation not to turn its attention to these mass acts of slaughter.

It would be heartless to not stop and pay attention to a group of parents who dropped their children off at school and picked them up at the morgue. It is not a story I relish, but it is a story I am compelled by human decency to share. And, Dana Loesch, excuse me if late at night, after spending the day looking at images of terrified teenagers running past fallen bodies, or talking through the funeral of two fathers who died in service to their community, I am not focusing on “ratings gold.”

I’ll be busy being a crying white mother.

-Colleen Marshall

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dangerman  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:34:21am

Two proposals

ONE
“Harden” schools
Arm teachers
Train teachers
Recurrent train teachers
Find insurance
One point of entry
Ensure the sheriff (or local le has keys to all entrances)
Let sheriff dept based leo resource officers carry rifles on campus (this AM on npr)
Metal detectors
Active shooter drills
Find money for all this
On and on and on

or TWO
Remove the guns

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:34:40am

This is a long, well illustrated, assessment of what we face in November. It’s cause for neither euphoria nor panic. Eight months to get it right, people.

Why 2018 Is Do-or-Die for Democrats
politico.com

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:36:05am

re: #108 Backwoods_Sleuth

*blink*

She sets up a few strawmen, and then declares guns not to be guns.

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William Lewis  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:37:28am

So I wandered past the Liberal Gun Club this morning. RIP. It’s almost pure NRA lite & what isn’t is closer to GOA.

I was especially nauseated to read the praises of Dana’s standing up to those poor students that were being used by democratic “Gun Grabbing” politicians to protect the virtue of the AR-15’s.

So once again, a gun owner on the left has no real alternative to the NRA.

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:37:37am

re: #117 darthstar

Trump calls victims and praises himself. It’s his MO.

And the kids don’t have to follow those rules.

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makeitstop  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:38:11am

re: #140 dangerman

Two proposals

ONE
“Harden” schools
Arm teachers
Train teachers
Recurrent train teachers
Find insurance
One point of entry
Ensure the sheriff (or local le has keys to all entrances)
Let sheriff dept based leo resource officers carry rifles on campus (this AM on npr)
Metal detectors
Active shooter drills
Find money for all this
On and on and on

or TWO
Remove the guns

One simple solution, that gundamentalists want to replace with any number of expensive, unworkable and dangerous ones.

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lawhawk  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:39:31am

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area.

Trump’s busy spewing empty platitudes and nonsense again this morning.

Everything he does he says will be the biggest, strongest, and best, but it’s all gold plated bullshit.

The GOP has no intention of strengthening background checks because it would put a crimp on gun sales, and the NRA would not allow it.

They wont reinstitute the assault weapons ban for same reason.

They have only “solutions” that involve more guns and deflect from the solutions that have worked everywhere else they’ve been tried.

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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:39:51am

re: #133 makeitstop

I’m trying to parse this. Not having a lot of luck.

But from the repeated ‘oh, boys,’ it sounds like they made him get on the phone with this girl, and after he talked about how she was his ‘fan’ (WTAF) he completely ran out of things to say and was fumfering around until he got off the phone.

It’s no wonder this country is a laughingstock now. We elected a shitheel with zero social skills to be our face to the world.

Trump has lived his life so far up his own Trump Tower ass he has never had the time to actually associate with actual human beings. I think the whole family suffers from it. Besides they are so damn special why would they ever want to talk to the low-lifes outside their gold paint embellished faux lilly white palace.

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:47:14am

re: #141 Decatur Deb

This is a long, well illustrated, assessment of what we face in November. It’s cause for neither euphoria nor panic. Eight months to get it right, people.

Why 2018 Is Do-or-Die for Democrats
politico.com

The ending belies the title:

Harris: Let’s imagine it’s November 2018, and Democrats really underperformed what you’re expecting they do. And the question in Democratic circles is, “Oh, my gosh. We screwed up again. How did that happen?”

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Sosnik: There’s an old saying, “Life’s not whether you win or lose. It’s whether you beat the spread and the expectations.” That’s one of the reasons I think it’s important for everyone—particularly Democrats—to see the structural challenges at the federal level in terms of the Senate map and the fewer number of House seats.

While there would be a reckoning if we don’t beat the spread, to some extent, I don’t think it matters. Because the people who are active in the party—who have true beliefs and have a theory of what they need going forward—that’s not going to change based on a series of midterm election outcomes.

The system is currently rigged against Democrats. Even in 2016, there were more votes for Democrats in House elections than Republicans. Clinton won most of the votes. That doesn’t imply the party will slide into irrelevance.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:47:20am

re: #122 makeitstop

And that unbelievably stupid argument would suppose that a woman went out bar-hopping with a fucking AR-15.

Sheah, happens all the time around here.

/////

I have a shotgun. When I moved here, the gun shop owner (being a businessman and trying to drum up new business) wanted to see if I would come in his shop and purchase some of his wares. (I’ve been in the shop many times since, but I have never purchased a gun, just shotgun shells.)

He was surprised when asking me about home defence that I said “I have a 12-gage for that.” (There is no police department here other than the county sheriff with one car, and we are near the county line. If the car is on the other side of the county it is nearly an hour away.)

He asked why a shotgun rather than a pistol or something. I pointed out that if I actually had to use a gun for defence and I was awakened in the middle of the night or something, I don’t really need to be able to aim or something in the dark. Moreover, the sound of loading a shotgun is pretty unmistakable.

Since I’ve lived here, I’ve used it once in that capacity (to go to the church across the street to run off out-of-town burglars inside the church at about 4 AM - it’s amazing how loading a shotgun gets the attention of people who don’t really want any trouble).

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:48:18am

re: #143 William Lewis

So I wandered past the Liberal Gun Club this morning. RIP. It’s almost pure NRA lite & what isn’t is closer to GOA.

I was especially nauseated to read the praises of Dana’s standing up to those poor students that were being used by democratic “Gun Grabbing” politicians to protect the virtue of the AR-15’s.

So once again, a gun owner on the left has no real alternative to the NRA.

A bit like atheism, isn’t it? Organizing people around “not that” is kind of hard.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:48:39am

re: #130 Dave In Austin

God Damn it!!

You seem upset for some reason.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:50:19am

re: #122 makeitstop

And that unbelievably stupid argument would suppose that a woman went out bar-hopping with a fucking AR-15.

Sheah, happens all the time around here.

/////

I don’t even bring my kindle or iPod when bar hopping. This whole thing is based in fantasy.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:51:25am

re: #143 William Lewis

So I wandered past the Liberal Gun Club this morning. RIP. It’s almost pure NRA lite & what isn’t is closer to GOA.

I was especially nauseated to read the praises of Dana’s standing up to those poor students that were being used by democratic “Gun Grabbing” politicians to protect the virtue of the AR-15’s.

So once again, a gun owner on the left has no real alternative to the NRA.

I was the very first Nebraska member of the LGC. As it started sliding into NRA lite, I allowed my membership to lapse, because it no longer represented what it was founded to do.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:51:45am

re: #148 Belafon

The ending belies the title:

The system is currently rigged against Democrats. Even in 2016, there were more votes for Democrats in House elections than Republicans. Clinton won most of the votes. That doesn’t imply the party will slide into irrelevance.

If we take at least one of the chambers, Trump is largely neutralized and will be gone by 2021. If we lose ground in both, he gets a second term. A second Trump term is a good definition of “Die” for the Democrats and free America as a whole.

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dangerman  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:51:46am

re: #20 Cheechako

Look ahead to the upcoming mid-term elections. In Florida, as well as every other state, there are many high school seniors who are currently 18. And there are many more who are now 17 but will turn 18 before the November elections. These students will certainly have a major impact on the local, State, and national elections.

The are pissed and will come out and vote.

Every politician who opposes any type of gun control legislation should be terrified of this voting block.

On top of this, many currently aged 15-17 will be able to vote in 2020.

These “kids” are articulate, involved, and and have a clear understanding of the issues.

They will be the heroes in moving gun control legislation forward.

in fla, they can register to vote at 16. they cant vote till 18. how many do and what party affiliation may telegraph something

the “adults” are galvanizing these young people’s thinking before they’ve ever cast a vote

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makeitstop  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:51:59am

Back in the 80s, there was a radio station here on Long Island called WLIR. It was your basic dime-a-dozen Classic Rock station that saw a trend happening with New Wave, jumped on it, and became one of the most influential radio stations in the country. (KROQ in LA ran a similar format at the same time.) Eventually, they went the way of all good radio stations and folded the tent.

Now, they’re back in streaming format, looking to reconnect with their audience and establish a big online presence like rock station KNAC has. I’ve been listening for the past few days, and it’s a deep dive into the New Wave nostalgia pool. If you’re into that kind of stuff, it’s worth a listen at WLIR.fm

There’s also a documentary on the way about the station. Here’s an interview with the director.

Interview: Ellen Goldfarb (Dare To Be Different)

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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:53:03am

re: #149 Anymouse 🌹

I have a shotgun. When I moved here, the gun shop owner (being a businessman and trying to drum up new business) wanted to see if I would come in his shop and purchase some of his wares. (I’ve been in the shop many times since, but I have never purchased a gun, just shotgun shells.)

He was surprised when asking me about home defence that I said “I have a 12-gage for that.” (There is no police department here other than the county sheriff with one car, and we are near the county line. If the car is on the other side of the county it is nearly an hour away.)

He asked why a shotgun rather than a pistol or something. I pointed out that if I actually had to use a gun for defence and I was awakened in the middle of the night or something, I don’t really need to be able to aim or something in the dark. Moreover, the sound of loading a shotgun is pretty unmistakable.

Since I’ve lived here, I’ve used it once in that capacity (to go to the church across the street to run off out-of-town burglars inside the church at about 4 AM - it’s amazing how loading a shotgun gets the attention of people who don’t really want any trouble).

I have always thought all a home defender needs is a .410 or .20 gauge pump shotgun. That ker-chunk sound of pumping a shell into place late at night is unmistakable. Plus, lightweight and easy to swing around.

Well, that is unless herds of liberals are around, then of course you need the AR.

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William Lewis  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:54:41am

re: #153 Anymouse 🌹

I was the very first Nebraska member of the LGC. As it started sliding into NRA lite, I allowed my membership to lapse, because it no longer represented what it was founded to do.

Yep. I told them as much last November when I declined to renew but of course I’m the one that’s wrong and not getting it. Nor a True Leftist.

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dangerman  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:56:41am

re: #49 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Finally getting around to commenting on this. As a veteran, a former police officer, AND a former teacher, I cannot find the words to express how disgusted I am at this. This guy had been on the payroll, toting a gun, for 33 years. The one time in all those years that it really counted, he decided to run away and hide. His salary was around 80K and his pension will be 75% of that.
Armed sheriff’s deputy stayed outside Florida school while mass killing took place

Deputy who didn’t stop Florida shooting thinks he ‘did a good job’
I also see that local police are guarding his home 24/7 because of numerous death threats. What if those “good guys with guns” are also abject cowards?

i dont think teachers are cowards.

nor do i think a teacher with a concealed handgun (cause thats all they could carry) will be running towards the line of fire of an (or multiple) ar-15 (or whatever)

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wheat-dogg  Feb 23, 2018 • 6:57:16am

re: #156 makeitstop

I remember WLIR, even though I left LI in 1978. I used to listen to it (and WRVR-FM when it was jazz station) when I’d visit my folks. Glad to hear they’re trying a revival.

I really miss WRVR. I had one of their cool T-shirts, and threw it away when it got too tatty to wear in public. Then I learned RVR went to a different format, and regretted my decision.

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:00:42am

re: #154 Decatur Deb

If we take at least one of the chambers, Trump is largely neutralized and will be gone by 2021. If we lose ground in both, he gets a second term. A second Trump term is a good definition of “Die” for the Democrats and free America as a whole.

OK, I’ll buy that. Luckily, lots of people seem focused on flipping things.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:01:41am

re: #158 William Lewis

Yep. I told them as much last November when I declined to renew but of course I’m the one that’s wrong and not getting it. Nor a True Leftist.

My sympathies. I’m not a gun owner like you are but I understand the feeling of feeling like a person without a place. FWIW I think the kids were very reasonable in their requests. IMO, I think some gun owners could be a little more empathetic to victims of gun violence rather than just accusing everyone who wants reform of being an “elite.” In fact, I’d call the gun hoarders elites the way they spend on guns.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:01:44am

re: #159 dangerman

i dont think teachers are cowards.

nor do i think a teacher with a concealed handgun (cause thats all they could carry) will be running towards the line of fire of an (or multiple) ar-15 (or whatever)

Not to mention that the teachers have a lot of other things to do in a shooting situation, like get the kids out if possible, block the doors, etc.

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:03:38am

re: #163 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Not to mention that the teachers have a lot of other things to do in a shooting situation, like get the kids out if possible, block the doors, etc.

A teacher, after making sure the kids are safe, grabs her gun to go after the shooter. The moment she steps out the door, she is shot and killed. The killer then walks into the unlocked room and shoots all the kids inside.

So many ways this will all go wrong.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:04:02am

re: #163 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Not to mention that the teachers have a lot of other things to do in a shooting situation, like get the kids out if possible, block the doors, etc.

Calming the kids down too especially if they’re young like the Sandy Hook. It’s funny. For people who blame video games for shootings, these people have a video game like mindset when it comes to these scenarios.

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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:04:05am

re: #156 makeitstop

Back in the 80s, there was a radio station here on Long Island called WLIR. It was your basic dime-a-dozen Classic Rock station that saw a trend happening with New Wave, jumped on it, and became one of the most influential radio stations in the country. (KROQ in LA ran a similar format at the same time.) Eventually, they went the way of all good radio stations and folded the tent.

Now, they’re back in streaming format, looking to reconnect with their audience and establish a big online presence like rock station KNAC has. I’ve been listening for the past few days, and it’s a deep dive into the New Wave nostalgia pool. If you’re into that kind of stuff, it’s worth a listen at WLIR.fm

There’s also a documentary on the way about the station. Here’s an interview with the director.

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Columbus has been lucky in that we have had “alternate” and privately owned WWCD 102 since 1990 or so. They used to stream too, but stopped doing it about 5 years ago. I guess it was budget related. One thing they do is feature local bands in a special format for an hour every week, which is pretty cool. They also have bands stop into their “Big Room” when in town for an interview and a few songs played acoustically or with limited gear.

I think being in state capital city with a huge Ohio State University, a very active local music scene and several different sized concert venues helps keep them in listeners. I always had them on when in my car. Since I don’t drive 30 minutes each way to work anymore I don’t tune them in as often.

Link to their web site if anyone wants to check ‘em out: WWW CD102.5

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makeitstop  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:04:38am

re: #160 wheat-dogg

I remember WLIR, even though I left LI in 1978. I used to listen to it (and WRVR-FM when it was jazz station) when I’d visit my folks. Glad to hear they’re trying a revival.

Ah, the Larry Kleinman era! Lots of Marshall Tucker and Billy Joel in those days. That was when I first came to NY and after living in Queens for about a year and a half, moved out to the island.

Their weekly live radio concerts (either from the Calderone Concert Hall in Hempstead or Sonic Studos) were incredible. I believe one that they did with Billy Joel led to his being signed by Columbia.

Here’s an archive of live tracks from their New Wave days. Some really good stuff there, that they’re liberally sprinkling into their new programming.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:04:56am

re: #164 Belafon

A teacher, after making sure the kids are safe, grabs her gun to go after the shooter. The moment she steps out the door, she is shot and killed. The killer then walks into the unlocked room and shoots all the kids inside.

So many ways this will all go wrong.

And the killer gets another gun and ammo. It’s all about the element of surprise and chaos.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:07:08am

re: #159 dangerman

I’ve been traveling and spending time at weddings and stuff, so I haven’t had time to comment much about Trump’s latest brainstorm.

As a veteran teacher, if I were told I had to carry a weapon to do my job, I would quit. Teachers nationwide would probably just walk off the job. Our entire profession is supposed to protect and nurture our students. Carrying a sidearm doesn’t guarantee the first and does nothing for the second.

I am ashamed of this president. I’m going to tell people I’m Canadian.

I took some silly “what country would be best for you?” poll, and it turns out Canada is the best fit for me. Sadly, I believe immigration there requires somewhat more in the way of documentation.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:08:46am

Some schools already do arm teachers. It’s only a matter of time before one of these results in a disaster and the idea is discredited. Children will pay with their lives and the NRA cult will ignore it as usual.

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dangerman  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:09:10am

re: #107 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Red Bellied (is it? the crest doesn’t look quite right, but) woodpecker say “ what da fuk the chimney thing?”

dude, the cardinals met yesterday

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ThomasLite  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:09:39am

re: #149 Anymouse 🌹

I have a shotgun. When I moved here, the gun shop owner (being a businessman and trying to drum up new business) wanted to see if I would come in his shop and purchase some of his wares. (I’ve been in the shop many times since, but I have never purchased a gun, just shotgun shells.)

He was surprised when asking me about home defence that I said “I have a 12-gage for that.” (There is no police department here other than the county sheriff with one car, and we are near the county line. If the car is on the other side of the county it is nearly an hour away.)

He asked why a shotgun rather than a pistol or something. I pointed out that if I actually had to use a gun for defence and I was awakened in the middle of the night or something, I don’t really need to be able to aim or something in the dark. Moreover, the sound of loading a shotgun is pretty unmistakable.

Since I’ve lived here, I’ve used it once in that capacity (to go to the church across the street to run off out-of-town burglars inside the church at about 4 AM - it’s amazing how loading a shotgun gets the attention of people who don’t really want any trouble).

Probably don’t really have the time to stay and chat so just dumping this here (sorry), but that’s not really what a shotgun does; at any sensible home defense-applicable range no (useful) shotgun is going to have much of a spread, certainly not enough to make it so you “don’t really need to be able to aim”. spread at anything below 15 or so feet is going to be a few inches at most, IIRC.
So if you ever need it, please do actually point open end at intruder quite specifically ;-)

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Dave In Austin  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:11:22am

We’ll be hearing about these plans at CPAC.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:12:25am

re: #170 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Some schools already do arm teachers. It’s only a matter of time before one of these results in a disaster and the idea is discredited. Children will pay with their lives and the NRA cult will ignore it as usual.

The question I have from a legal point of view and I think is a valid question to ask is who is liable if a student accidentally gets shot by a teacher’s gun if we make it government policy to have school employees carry?

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William Lewis  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:12:42am

Well, off to work. Just checked the bank & found out that my check was way lower than expected.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:13:43am

re: #174 HappyWarrior

The question I have from a legal point of view and I think is a valid question to ask is who is liable if a student accidentally gets shot by a teacher’s gun if we make it government policy to have school employees carry?

The side with the tiniest lawyer is liable.

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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:15:40am

re: #173 Dave In Austin

We’ll be hearing about these plans at CPAC.

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Heh, I guess I wasn’t too far off when I posted this comment to dangerman on Monday.

John Oliver Nails It Again: Trump vs. The World - Coment #323

Screw it. Every kid has to wear combat armor and a kevlar helmet.

Teachers and staff too.

With machine gun nests built into the ends of every hallway with back access to all the different nests throughout the school. Only security gets access to the security tunnels, stairs and halls behind the school walls on each end of the building.

They also are equipped with hi-res cameras all through the building. Security central can be watching the whole school from a turret built above the main entrance.

With small lethal drones that can navigate the halls and fire small round gunfire.

We can beat this back I tell you. What’s the harm? We just have to get real and think big.

This is gol’damn America! We don’t run from a problem. We go nuts.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:16:53am

re: #150 Belafon

A bit like atheism, isn’t it? Organizing people around “not that” is kind of hard.

It’s more “this, but not that”. A gun group that’s for people who aren’t insane. It’s like SmartRecovery, a group for addicts who are not religious.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:19:46am

re: #178 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

It’s more “this, but not that”. A gun group that’s for people who aren’t insane. Is like SmartRecovery, a group for addicts who are not religious.

What I think makes it tough is the communities have been so radicalized over the years. The NRA now opposes measures it once did following Columbine. It’s more than just the quip from the NRA President in 1934.

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dangerman  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:21:03am

re: #156 makeitstop

Back in the 80s, there was a radio station here on Long Island called WLIR. It was your basic dime-a-dozen Classic Rock station that saw a trend happening with New Wave, jumped on it, and became one of the most influential radio stations in the country. (KROQ in LA ran a similar format at the same time.) Eventually, they went the way of all good radio stations and folded the tent.

Now, they’re back in streaming format, looking to reconnect with their audience and establish a big online presence like rock station KNAC has. I’ve been listening for the past few days, and it’s a deep dive into the New Wave nostalgia pool. If you’re into that kind of stuff, it’s worth a listen at WLIR.fm

There’s also a documentary on the way about the station. Here’s an interview with the director.

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richard neer
my youth

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dangerman  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:24:10am

re: #174 HappyWarrior

The question I have from a legal point of view and I think is a valid question to ask is who is liable if a student accidentally gets shot by a teacher’s gun if we make it government policy to have school employees carry?

its going to be very tricky

they are not law enforcement
the standards of care and behavior wont be the same

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Dave In Austin  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:24:52am
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Weaselone  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:25:30am

re: #149 Anymouse 🌹

I’m actually surprised that the owner of a gun shop would ask that question. I’m not a gun owner, but from my own thinking and what I have seen when others have asked, a shotgun is almost always the answer to this question for the following 4 reasons.
1. It’s intimidating - Both the sound of loading and visually so it raises the odds of not even needing to employ it.
2. Limited need to aim, which given the adrenaline and normal peoples reluctance to actually shoot someone is a plus in this type of situation
3. Range/Penetration, especially in urban areas. The expectation is that any intruder will be in the home, so you don’t need a long gun for standoff purposes. To the extent possible, you want to limit the chance of shots missed or otherwise killing a neighbor or someone in your own household.
4. Stopping power

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Interesting Times  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:25:53am

This story is from 2014. I simply can’t at all figure out why it’s making the rounds again e_e

Facebook Post

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wheat-dogg  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:26:52am

re: #177 ObserverArt

That quote reminds me of how most schools are designed — very long corridors with clean lines of sight. A shooter at one end of the hallway could easily pick off anyone poking their head out a doorway or around the corner. The only feasible way to take down the shooter would be to come at him from behind from another long corridor with a clean line of sight, if he wasn’t clever enough to cover both corridors from his corner.

If the shooter’s wearing a kevlar vest, the defender would also have to be a marksman to try a headshot while not being a target himself.

I’m not even a gun owner or an LEO, and I can figure this out.

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makeitstop  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:26:53am

re: #180 dangerman

richard neer
my youth

He does sports now on WFAN, believe it or not!

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dangerman  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:27:29am

re: #183 Weaselone

I’m actually surprised that the owner of a gun shop would ask that question. I’m not a gun owner, but from my own thinking and what I have seen when others have asked, a shotgun is almost always the answer to this question for the following 4 reasons.
1. It’s intimidating - Both the sound of loading and visually so it raises the odds of not even needing to employ it.
2. Limited need to aim, which given the adrenaline and normal peoples reluctance to actually shoot someone is a plus in this type of situation
3. Range/Penetration, especially in urban areas. The expectation is that any intruder will be in the home, so you don’t need a long gun for standoff purposes. To the extent possible, you want to limit the chance of shots missed or otherwise killing a neighbor or someone in your own household.
4. Stopping power

id guess he wasnt being all theoretical
as a retailer, he was looking to create a “need” so he could make a sale

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:27:47am
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wheat-dogg  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:28:50am

re: #188 The Vicious Babushka

And still fails at it.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:29:15am

re: #189 wheat-dogg

And still fails at it.

That must be Obama’s fault too.

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:29:58am

re: #190 bill d. (b.d.)

That must be Obama’s fault too.

I wonder if there’s a second amendment solution.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:30:28am

re: #191 Belafon

I wonder if there’s a second amendment solution.

It would make it easier to part

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Interesting Times  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:32:03am

re: #182 Dave In Austin

He should have downloaded something like this first:

Old School Rotary Dialer V2 for Android

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:32:55am

Fox News doesn’t mention this:

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Dave In Austin  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:34:32am

So anyone want to wager when the N.K.’s are going to pop a nuke over the pacific?

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:34:38am

re: #194 The Vicious Babushka

Fox News doesn’t mention this:

In 30 years, the remnants of the GOP will be chanting “La ker up” in rhythm, completely without meaning.

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:35:05am

re: #195 Dave In Austin

So anyone want to wager when the N.K.’s are going to pop a nuke over the pacific?

So, what did Obama implement?

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makeitstop  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:36:49am

re: #194 The Vicious Babushka

Chants off “lock her up!” break out in audience as Pres. Trump references Hillary Clinton at CPAC.

Like an oldies show for imbeciles.

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sagehen  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:38:02am

re: #174 HappyWarrior

The question I have from a legal point of view and I think is a valid question to ask is who is liable if a student accidentally gets shot by a teacher’s gun if we make it government policy to have school employees carry?

Depends.

What color is the teacher? What color is the student?

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makeitstop  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:39:57am

That expanded indictment may have been the straw that broke the camel’s back…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:40:15am

re: #199 sagehen

Depends.

What color is the teacher? What color is the student?

Heh, I’m actually being serious here. Man just sounds like a litigation nightmare waiting to happen.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:40:47am

NK sanctions. But Russia?

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:41:36am

re: #200 makeitstop

That expanded indictment may have been the straw that broke the camel’s back…

Guess who learned Mueller isn’t bluffing?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:41:49am

re: #199 sagehen

Depends.

What color is the teacher? What color is the student gun?

Come on now. That’s all that’s important here…

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Dave In Austin  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:42:25am

re: #194 The Vicious Babushka

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sagehen  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:42:43am

re: #185 wheat-dogg

That quote reminds me of how most schools are designed — very long corridors with clean lines of sight.

Maybe it depends on whether you’re in a place that gets cold and/or snows.

I grew up in California, and every school I went to all the classroom doors opened to outside. There were no hallways of any kind until I went to a college with multi-story buildings.

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makeitstop  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:44:02am

re: #203 Belafon

Guess who learned Mueller isn’t bluffing?

Yep. Gates was made aware that Mueller most likely knows everything.

Rage tweets, incoming - once Preznit Babyhands wraps up his coal pitch at CPAC.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:45:21am

re: #200 makeitstop

That expanded indictment may have been the straw that broke the camel’s back…

[Fox News]Trump vindicated Again! Time to shut down the investigation! How about Uranium One?[/Fox News]

Thank you Fox News! Latest indictment proves Russia investigation hoax fake news! How about Uranium One?

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makeitstop  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:47:26am

Thread (a short one):

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:51:52am

re: #207 makeitstop

Yep. Gates was made aware that Mueller most likely knows everything.

Rage tweets, incoming - once Preznit Babyhands wraps up his coal pitch at CPAC.

He’s rage-Tweeting now, live at CPAC.

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dangerman  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:54:51am

re: #196 Belafon

In 30 years, the remnants of the GOP will be chanting “La ker up” in rhythm, completely without meaning.

star trek the omega glory episode

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Dr. Matt  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:58:56am

re: #196 Belafon

In 30 years, the remnants of the GOP will be chanting “La ker up” in rhythm, completely without meaning.

You’re likely 100% correct because there are GOP idiots today still whining about the Civil War, Civil Rights, and Jane Fonda.

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makeitstop  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:00:10am

This Chris Sampson guy has got Loesch’s number.

(Thread gets scrambled along the way, but here’s the payoff)

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Sir John Barron  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:01:09am

re: #194 The Vicious Babushka

Fox News doesn’t mention this:

Wingnut #1:
Who are we yelling to lock up?

Wingnut #2:
Who knows, President Hillary Clinton?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:01:42am

re: #213 makeitstop

This Chris Sampson guy has got Loesch’s number.

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I’m glad she called her out. Dana talks a lot of shit when she’s at her CPAC safe space. She’s going to find out the hard way that the NRA won’t have much use for her eventually when they need a new spokesmodel.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:03:01am

Morning Lizardim.

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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:03:59am

re: #212 Dr. Matt

You’re likely 100% correct because there are GOP idiots today still whining about the Civil War, Civil Rights, and Jane Fonda.

What is the Grand Old Party’s animal logo symbol.

That’s right, the elephant.

And what is the old saying about elephants?

“They never forget”

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makeitstop  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:06:07am

re: #215 HappyWarrior

I’m glad she called her out. Dana talks a lot of shit when she’s at her CPAC safe space. She’s going to find out the hard way that the NRA won’t have much use for her eventually when they need a new spokesmodel.

She’s fucking toxic. In a really twisted way, she’s the perfect spokesmodel for a toxic organization like the NRA.

May they both go down in flames. I try not to hate people, but Loesch makes it extremely difficult.

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makeitstop  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:12:34am

This Twitter feed is gold. My wife and I relentlessly mock ads like this when we see them.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:12:42am

re: #218 makeitstop

She’s fucking toxic. In a really twisted way, she’s the perfect spokesmodel for a toxic organization like the NRA.

May they both go down in flames. I try not to hate people, but Loesch makes it extremely difficult.

Loesch cries about how hateful people are to her shitty organization and then apperas in the ad. My favorite is when her and her asshole husband cry that they don’t feel safe. You people want guns everywhere and you’re crying because you can’t handle a dissenting view? The pathetic thing is I doubt she and most professional gun nuts really know how to use guns let alone how to handle a chaotic situation and I think that’s one of the things that pisses me off the most, it’s a fucking act.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:16:26am

re: #212 Dr. Matt

You’re likely 100% correct because there are GOP idiots today still whining about the Civil War, Civil Rights, and Jane Fonda.

Don’t forget the fount of all evil, the New Deal.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:18:36am

re: #221 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Don’t forget the fount of all evil, the New Deal.

or Jimmy Carter.

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I cannot.  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:19:26am

re: #220 HappyWarrior

Bingo, I have trouble with a chaotic situation like that…in a video game that I have played repeatedly and I *know* how EVERY character will react and when.

THIS ISN’T BLACK OPS: MODERN WARFARE. YOU CANNOT RESTART THE LEVEL IF YOU FAIL AND HIT A CIVILIAN.

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lawhawk  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:19:39am

Trump’s talking out of his ass again (I know, I repeat myself).

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:21:45am

re: #224 lawhawk

Trump’s talking out of his ass again (I know, I repeat myself).

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Then again, when is Trump not talking out of his ass?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:22:06am

re: #225 Dr Lizardo

Then again, when is Trump not talking out of his ass?

THIS!

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:22:26am

Now he’s busting out Trump’s Greatest Hits

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lawhawk  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:23:02am

re: #223 I cannot.

Every time they’ve done simulations with the so called gun experts who think more guns in the classroom will make people safer, it turns out the same way.

Lots of dead folks, and the active shooter has the drop on all of them all the time.

Only occasionally does the “good guy” with the gun even manage to get off a shot that hits the bad guy. And the good guy all too often hits other good guys.

Then in the aftermath, cops have to figure out who’s who and clear/secure the room. They would have to take extra time figuring out who’s who - leading to detaining the “good guy” while they sort everything out.

For any law enforcement who thinks this is somehow a good idea, they clearly haven’t thought any of this through.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:23:23am

re: #223 I cannot.

Bingo, I have trouble with a chaotic situation like that…in a video game that I have played repeatedly and I *know* how EVERY character will react and when.

THIS ISN’T BLACK OPS: MODERN WARFARE. YOU CANNOT RESTART THE LEVEL IF YOU FAIL AND HIT A CIVILIAN.

Exactly.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:28:20am

5 separate Snowy sightings in Texas. This one is in Ft. Worth where the police have had to step in because of the paparazzi blocking traffic.

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dangerman  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:28:46am

re: #228 lawhawk

Every time they’ve done simulations with the so called gun experts who think more guns in the classroom will make people safer, it turns out the same way.

Lots of dead folks, and the active shooter has the drop on all of them all the time.

Only occasionally does the “good guy” with the gun even manage to get off a shot that hits the bad guy. And the good guy all too often hits other good guys.

Then in the aftermath, cops have to figure out who’s who and clear/secure the room. They would have to take extra time figuring out who’s who - leading to detaining the “good guy” while they sort everything out.

For any law enforcement who thinks this is somehow a good idea, they clearly haven’t thought any of this through.

the whole thing is based on the shooting having already started

not a word on preventing the shooting

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:29:58am

re: #231 dangerman

the whole thing is based on the shooting having already started

not a word on preventing the shooting

Precisely. And I refuse to take the right seriously on mental illness for two reasons- the always calling the shooters mentally ill, continuing to support cuts for MH services, etc.

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lawhawk  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:29:59am
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lawhawk  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:31:02am

re: #231 dangerman

Preventing shooting?

You could have a phalanx of Secret Service members who are willing to take a bullet and that wont prevent a shooting.

Just as Presidents JFK, Ford, and Reagan.

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MsJ  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:31:04am

re: #230 Dave In Austin

5 separate Snowy sightings in Texas. This one is in Ft. Worth where the police have had to step in because of the paparazzi blocking traffic.

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What a beauty!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:31:36am

re: #233 lawhawk

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Tell that to potential allies who are going to China because of your shtity soft power skills.

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scottslemmons  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:31:40am

re: #223 I cannot.

Bingo, I have trouble with a chaotic situation like that…in a video game that I have played repeatedly and I *know* how EVERY character will react and when.

THIS ISN’T BLACK OPS: MODERN WARFARE. YOU CANNOT RESTART THE LEVEL IF YOU FAIL AND HIT A CIVILIAN.

I used to play Saints Row 3 and 4, and the civilian casualties for even a small gun battle with rival gangsters were through the roof. And that’s before you came in with rocket launchers and shark guns and dubstep cannons…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:33:02am

re: #237 scottslemmons

I used to play Saints Row 3 and 4, and the civilian casualties for even a small gun battle with rival gangsters were through the roof. And that’s before you came in with rocket launchers and shark guns and dubstep cannons…

Read yesterday that the NYPD’s hit rate is like 18%. And these are trained people. Their ideas about guns come from fantasy and pretending they’re the hero of a tacky action movie that is a good popcorn movie that most people would agree is based in fantasy.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:33:54am

Then you have those who want to prohibit businesses from banning firearms on their premises which is insane to me.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:34:37am

Trump Gets CPAC Crowd to Boo John McCain

And David Brooks says we should reach out to these fucking animals.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:35:59am

re: #238 HappyWarrior

Read yesterday that the NYPD’s hit rate is like 18%. And these are trained people. Their ideas about guns come from fantasy and pretending they’re the hero of a tacky action movie that is a good popcorn movie that most people would agree is based in fantasy.

Basically, the good ol’ one-too-many-viewings-of-Die Hard syndrome.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:36:21am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:37:20am

re: #241 Dr Lizardo

Basically, the good ol’ one-too-many-viewings-of-Die Hard syndrome.

Forgetting that McClaine was a cop and that it was a fucking movie. Yippee ki-yay dumbasses.

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lawhawk  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:37:39am

re: #238 HappyWarrior

Read yesterday that the NYPD’s hit rate is like 18%. And these are trained people. Their ideas about guns come from fantasy and pretending they’re the hero of a tacky action movie that is a good popcorn movie that most people would agree is based in fantasy.

The NYPD gets more training than most departments - having to requalify twice a year (and it’s still insufficient for most officers - they’ve recently built a new firing range so that they can get more time to train).

ESU gets far more training (including their specialized Hercules and Atlas units), including for active shooter, domestic terrorist, and counterterrorism ops. That’s why when people get in trouble they call cops, and when the cops get into trouble, they call ESU. They have the equipment and training for these situations.

Beat cops don’t.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:38:22am

re: #244 lawhawk

The NYPD gets more training than most departments - having to requalify twice a year (and it’s still insufficient for most officers - they’ve recently built a new firing range so that they can get more time to train).

ESU gets far more training (including their specialized Hercules and Atlas units), including for active shooter, domestic terrorist, and counterterrorism ops. That’s why when people get in trouble they call cops, and when the cops get into trouble, they call ESU. They have the equipment and training for these situations.

Beat cops don’t.

Right, just saying that the average NYPD cop has far more firearms training and crisis experience than your average Joe.

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sagehen  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:38:23am

re: #242 goddamnedfrank

It’s like when Palpatine is telling the story of Darth Plagueis and Darth Sidious and how does anybody not realize that Palpatine is Sidious?

I never saw that movie. But I do remember the much-circulated quote “this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause.”

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lawhawk  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:43:21am
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Interesting Times  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:47:57am

re: #242 goddamnedfrank

When Trump does his “the snake” routine how is it not obvious to everyone in the room that he’s the snake? It’s such a flagrant tell.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:48:04am

re: #233 lawhawk

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It makes sense to his base. But they’re idiots.

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I cannot.  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:48:53am

re: #237 scottslemmons

Of course the whole point of Saints Row is to have absurd collateral damage. Both absurd amounts and done in absurd ways. And to look cool doing it too.

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nines09  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:53:12am

re: #247 lawhawk

“Plan”. Yeah. Crumbs. They’re also “talking” about banning bump stocks. I also hear they are “looking into” their toilet when they piss.
I’m out of words.

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lawhawk  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:54:32am
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MsJ  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:55:15am

re: #247 lawhawk

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Renaissance_Man  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:55:39am

re: #128 Anymouse 🌹

Ultimately, the issue is whether you want to find out your child was killed by a mass-murderer.

Conservative voters love their children as well. They will come down on the side of their own children over the NRA.

Untrue, sir. Conservative cultists love their children, but they love their religion of hate more than anything. They will vote the way they are told to, NRA or otherwise. That father in the Trump 2020 shirt? He was at the ‘listening session’ to express his pain and to express his support for armed teachers and armed guards in schools. The NRA position. More guns.

Cultists do what they’re told regardless of personal risk or harm.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:58:03am

re: #252 lawhawk

BREAKING: Old Person Discovers Kids Badmouth Oldies.

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MsJ  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:00:13am
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Mike Lamb  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:00:30am

re: #252 lawhawk

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The GOP’s sudden case of the vapors over how teenagers address adults would be amusing if it weren’t so outrageously hypocritical.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:00:53am

re: #252 lawhawk

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Yeah because it was so respectful of your ex fuck buddy Dinesh to say they hadn’t looked that sad since they had to get summer jobs. Get bent Laura.

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scottslemmons  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:00:56am

re: #252 lawhawk

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Won’t be long before Fox is begging their viewers to shoot more of those UPSTART, DISRESPECTFUL, WILLFUL BRATS.

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dangerman  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:01:36am

re: #234 lawhawk

Preventing shooting?

You could have a phalanx of Secret Service members who are willing to take a bullet and that wont prevent a shooting.

Just as Presidents JFK, Ford, and Reagan.

true
hence the idea that if a potential school shooter knows that teachers are armed is some how a deterrent is nonsense

also true is that phalanx of agents are monitoring the crowds, assessing threats, have stopped other assailants in the past, etc

they’re not all there only to react when shooting starts

of course they all cant be prevented
some can be made less inevitable

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:01:49am

re: #256 MsJ

Soros tipped over my recycling bin at the curb.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:02:22am

re: #256 MsJ

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George Soros. God just shut the fuck up about him for once in your miserable lives.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:02:48am

re: #261 Decatur Deb

Soros tipped over my recycling bin at the curb.

Soros gave me the flu.

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lizardofid  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:04:02am

re: #255 Decatur Deb

BREAKING: Old Person Discovers Kids Badmouth Oldies.

I wonder how those kids feel about “anyone over 30”.

; )

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dangerman  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:04:23am

re: #253 MsJ

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yup - “We tried and failed” isnt going to cut it

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:04:25am

re: #263 HappyWarrior

Soros gave me the flu.

He turned me into a newt!

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MsJ  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:06:03am

re: #258 HappyWarrior

Yeah because it was so respectful of your ex fuck buddy Dinesh to say they hadn’t looked that sad since they had to get summer jobs. Get bent Laura.

That is gross on so many levels. GAH!

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Woods Witch  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:06:29am

re: #266 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

He turned me into a newt!

I hope you got better.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:06:41am

re: #267 MsJ

That is gross on so many levels. GAH!

It’s true tho.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:06:51am

re: #263 HappyWarrior

Soros gave me the flu.

Soros cut me off on the freeway this morning.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:08:33am

re: #270 Dr. Matt

Soros cut me off on the freeway this morning.

Soros made Tom Brady drop that ball.

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MsJ  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:08:58am

re: #261 Decatur Deb

Soros tipped over my recycling bin at the curb.

re: #263 HappyWarrior

Soros gave me the flu.

re: #266 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

He turned me into a newt!

We need to get this hashtag trending.

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makeitstop  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:10:09am

re: #257 Mike Lamb

The GOP’s sudden case of the vapors over how teenagers address adults would be amusing if it weren’t so outrageously hypocritical.

They’re catching feelings because they’ve finally run into a group of people who treat them like they’ve treated Democrats for years. And they’re better at it.

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MsJ  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:10:37am

On the positive news front.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:12:32am

re: #274 MsJ

On the positive news front.

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Pressure. Good.

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lizardofid  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:13:57am

re: #257 Mike Lamb

The GOP’s sudden case of the vapors over how teenagers address adults would be amusing if it weren’t so outrageously hypocritical.

Could be their adaptive memory is causing them distress, given how things went the last time the young folk got good and riled up.

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Woods Witch  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:14:11am

Watching the Republicans and conservatives react to the FBI investigation, and now the #neveragain movement, feels like an elaborate case study in an advanced psychology class. It’s all there: motivated reasoning, projection, compensation, narcissistic injury…

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JordanRules  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:16:14am
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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:17:49am

re: #278 JordanRules
Friendly reminder that Gates and Pence were joined at the hip for months, during the transition and after.

I have no passion for a Trump impeachment until Pence is out of play.

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:18:09am

re: #253 MsJ

They’re the Mystery, Inc. Kids.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:18:11am

re: #274 MsJ

On the positive news front.

They’re getting a mild dose of the Charlottesville Nazi treatment. Let’s hope the condition spreads and becomes more virulent.

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MsJ  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:19:52am

re: #279 Decatur Deb

I have no passion for a Trump impeachment until Pence is out of play.

Ryan is no better.

And we must have consequences for all of them. This kind of treason cannot go the way of “oh he resigned” (or was impeached) and is allowed to go off and live his privileged life. None of them. Not trump or pence or ryan (for laughing! at Russian interference). Nor any congresscritter who is equally treasonous. Consequences.

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lawhawk  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:20:24am

Giving lie to the good guy with a gun. The majority of significant school shootings have ended with the shooter committing suicide or an unarmed school worker disarming.

In most cases, police are arriving too late to do anything other than arrest the shooter. Then again, many had police on campus, and it didn’t prevent/deter either.

Columbine had police on campus at time of shooting - didn’t prevent (aka good guy with a gun).

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:20:33am

re: #279 Decatur Deb

I have no passion for a Trump impeachment until Pence is out of play.

I’ll take them in any order. Pushing the big domino first will squish the others.

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MsJ  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:20:41am

re: #280 Belafon

They’re the Mystery, Inc. Kids.

Doesn’t sound quite as good as Scooby Dooers. I’d call ‘em Scoobies but Buffy the Vampire Slayer already claimed that one.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:21:56am

re: #282 MsJ

Ryan is no better.

And we must have consequences for all of them. This kind of treason cannot go the way of “oh he resigned” (or was impeached) and is allowed to go off and live his privileged life. None of them. Not trump or pence or ryan (for laughing! at Russian interference). Nor any congresscritter who is equally treasonous. Consequences.

If we do it right, Ryan will be a fishing guide in WI woods next December.

Go IronStache.

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MsJ  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:23:18am
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JordanRules  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:23:27am

re: #279 Decatur Deb

The more I think about him and the dominionists that are burrowing in, the more I agree. They are eager for their crazy coup with Pence at the ready.
*shudders*

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MsJ  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:23:51am

re: #286 Decatur Deb

If we do it right, Ryan will be a fishing guide in WI woods next December.

Go IronStache.

I am worried for IronStache. He’s getting the Bernie Sanders cooties on him.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:25:24am

re: #289 MsJ

I am worried for IronStache. He’s getting the Bernie Sanders cooties on him.

Don’t make no never-mind. Bernie’s an irritant and his kids are critical to our future.

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Mike Lamb  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:31:23am

re: #278 JordanRules

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We already know Pence’s stance on not knowing about Flynn’s compromised background was utter horseshit.

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lawhawk  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:31:49am
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:31:54am
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Ace-o-aces  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:31:58am

re: #272 MsJ

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:32:57am

re: #256 MsJ

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:36:43am

re: #295 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

But they might be required to treat blacks nicely.

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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:36:46am

re: #231 dangerman

the whole thing is based on the shooting having already started

not a word on preventing the shooting

That’s because the NRA already knows they’ve pushed so many guns out into America it is a given no one can prevent another spree shooter in a school or anywhere.

It’s part of what seems to be a multistage stage business plan.

1. Sell guns to as many people as you can, flood the market and make anyone that wants a gun a multiple gun owner.

2. There are now so many guns out the people that never wanted guns are afraid of all the guns will need to arm themselves from all them sold in stage one.

3. Admit guns have now become a problem and announce since you are all about gun safety, there is a need for everyone to use the NRA and Government assisted By Back Program and disarm the country.

4. Wait a few years…repeat step one.

Winning for the NRA. America is the loser.

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Woods Witch  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:37:34am

re: #279 Decatur Deb

100% agree. Trump will do damage, but he is a bumbling fool who can’t find a coherent sentence with two hands and a flashlight (h/t Aaron Sorkin, The American President, 1995). Trump has no ideology and can change positions on the head of a pin. While he twists in the wind, very little gets done.

Pence, on the other hand, is a seasoned politician with a clear dominionist agenda. If he makes it to the white house and the Rs still have a majority in the house and senate…..shudder!

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:38:02am
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:38:35am
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:40:23am

I am doing my best to emulate Soros at a more modest level, plotting with Texas Democrats to turn Republicans out of office and force their grifter sponsors to find honest work. Whether this is in fast food or a call center or on a prison chain gang is immaterial to me.

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:41:21am

re: #297 ObserverArt

That’s because the NRA already knows they’ve pushed so many guns out into America it is a given no one can prevent another spree shooter in a school or anywhere.

It’s part of what seems to be a multistage stage business plan.

1. Sell guns to as many people as you can, flood the market and make anyone that wants a gun a multiple gun owner.

2. There are now so many guns out the people that never wanted guns are afraid of all the guns will need to arm themselves from all them sold in stage one.

3. Admit guns have now become a problem and announce since you are all about gun safety, there is a need for everyone to use the NRA and Government assisted By Back Program and disarm the country.

4. Wait a few years…repeat step one.

Winning for the NRA. America is the loser.

Their solution will always be more guns. Any solution that suggests less guns is anti-capitalist. If God came down and said the only solution is less guns, the NRA would declare that people misheard Him.

Edit: If he vaporized all guns, they’d just advertise to replace them all.

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dangerman  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:42:19am

re: #294 Ace-o-aces

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“st louis liberals”

meanwhile in pennsylvania - impeach the judges who wont do what we want!

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MsJ  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:45:51am

And the hits keep coming.

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MsJ  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:49:55am

I am not a fan of Raw Story but this is a great article (from a Miami paper).

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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:50:01am

re: #274 MsJ

On the positive news front.

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Good. Let’s keep it up American businesses. Let’s make the NRA the most recognized and reviled pariah in America.

I want to see Wayne LaPeeAir, Teddy “Shit Guitar” Nugent and Dana Lowshhhh…all the most hated people in America.

The old “shoe is on the other foot” thing.

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JordanRules  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:51:14am

LOL!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:53:48am

re: #65 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Oh, one look at that and I had to head for the insulin! 😢

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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:56:11am

re: #279 Decatur Deb

Friendly reminder that Gates and Pence were joined at the hip for months, during the transition and after.

I have no passion for a Trump impeachment until Pence is out of play.

Sorry to disagree…but I still think Trump is a bigger problem and Pence will be nothing more than an office holder due to the stink of him from Trump, being caught up in bits of the investigation and people reminded of how ineffective and hated he was in Indiana.

Think Gerry Ford only far more damaged, untrusted, backwards and smelly.

A GOP president getting run out of office right now hurts the whole damn party. Look at the trend in this country. A good time to nick them all.

Back when Nixon resigned I don’t believe the GOP help a 15% popularity rating.

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JordanRules  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:56:49am
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Frenchy  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:58:33am

re: #309 ObserverArt

And, most importantly, for everything else he is, I don’t believe Pence will start a nuclear war.

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Amory Blaine  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:58:45am

The next time some gun humping fucktard tries to trap you with pedantry tell him ” wow you must be a genius because you can put a #4 ball into a #4 tube, well done!”

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JordanRules  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:58:48am
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:58:54am
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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:00:22am

re: #294 Ace-o-aces

Missouri GOP HQ:
OK, we have 2 possible responses to the Governor’s arrest.
a) A somber call for everyone to “respect the legal process”
b) We can’t rant about George Soros like a meth-head watching InfoWars!

OPTION B IT IS!

It’s Missouri Ace.

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MsJ  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:01:04am

re: #311 Frenchy

And, most importantly, for everything else he is, I don’t believe Pence will start a nuclear war.

His only, and I mean truly only, saving grace (as it were).

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Mike Lamb  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:01:39am

re: #292 lawhawk

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Don’t forget hacks like Greenwald who scoff at Mueller’s indictments as not being proof of anything—looks like Mueller is hitting at about a 66% clip in terms of guilty pleas to total indictments (might be higher, it’s hard to keep up)…

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:03:00am

re: #311 Frenchy

And, most importantly, for everything else he is, I don’t believe Pence will start a nuclear war.

The greatest threat of nuclear war has always been accident. Of the two, Trump is only slightly more likely to launch one deliberately. Trump likes life. Pence is hungry for heaven.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:04:16am

“Rick Gates was a low-level coffee boy who never met with Trump” in 5…4…3…

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:04:59am

re: #307 JordanRules

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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:05:23am

re: #298 Woods Witch

100% agree. Trump will do damage, but he is a bumbling fool who can’t find a coherent sentence with two hands and a flashlight (h/t Aaron Sorkin, The American President, 1995). Trump has no ideology and can change positions on the head of a pin. While he twists in the wind, very little gets done.

Pence, on the other hand, is a seasoned politician with a clear dominionist agenda. If he makes it to the white house and the Rs still have a majority in the house and senate…..shudder!

He’s a bumbling fool that became President for a reason. Pence is a ride-along and I doubt would have ever made it out of the primaries against the same GOP pack that ran in 2016 minus Trump.

Is everyone forgetting Paul Manafort brought Pence to the Trump Show?

If Manafort starts throwing bodies over the rail who would he toss first, Pence or Trump?

Pence is dirty, that is why he is always so quiet.

If Indiana didn’t want him (look at Indiana’s voting lately) America won’t either.

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JordanRules  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:06:41am
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MsJ  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:08:07am

More!

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dangerman  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:09:18am

re: #307 JordanRules

LOL!

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“junior, sophomore, my point is the same”

um “clip/ magazine”, “assault weapon”, “semiautomatic”

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I cannot.  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:10:52am

re: #298 Woods Witch

Pence, on the other hand, is a seasoned politician with a clear dominionist agenda. If he makes it to the white house and the Rs still have a majority in the house and senate…..shudder!

Pence is smarter, more likable and more skilled than Trump.

Just remember those bars are set REALLY low.

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lizardofid  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:10:59am

re: #311 Frenchy

And, most importantly, for everything else he is, I don’t believe Pence will start a nuclear war.

At least till they get that temple situation sorted out in Jerusalem, that is.

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MsJ  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:11:23am
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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:11:28am

re: #309 ObserverArt

Sorry to disagree…but I still think Trump is a bigger problem and Pence will be nothing more than an office holder due to the stink of him from Trump, being caught up in bits of the investigation and people reminded of how ineffective and hated he was in Indiana.

Think Gerry Ford only far more damaged, untrusted, backwards and smelly.

A GOP president getting run out of office right now hurts the whole damn party. Look at the trend in this country. A good time to nick them all.

Back when Nixon resigned I don’t believe the GOP help a 15% popularity rating.

Hope you’re right, and it’s probably worth testing it out. (Ford was the last Republican I could feel some sympathy for. Chevy Chase used to piss me off.)

Don’t ever be sorry to disagree—we have been tending towards the placid.

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JordanRules  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:12:11am

re: #319 Dr. Matt

Yup. But we’re getting closer to the bigger fish.

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MsJ  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:14:02am
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Patricia Kayden  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:15:05am

re: #124 darthstar

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Exactly. It’s sad that he has become a scapegoat. What could he have accomplished given that the shooter had a weapon of war? It’s a shame that he was hounded out of his job and is now being subjected to death threats.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:15:22am

re: #323 MsJ

More!

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It was pretty damn stupid for a life insurance company to offer a discount to gun owners in the first place. I have guns, and as well as I store and handle them, there is still an irreducible risk.

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lizardofid  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:15:47am

re: #322 JordanRules

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‘googles cognitive dissonance’…….Yep, there it is!

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Amory Blaine  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:16:25am

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 50% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. Forty-nine percent (49%) disapprove.

This is the president’s highest job approval rating since mid-June of last year. President Obama earned 45% approval on this date in the second year of his presidency.

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dangerman  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:17:25am

re: #124 darthstar

Standard procedure. Stay outside and assist evacuees and wait for police. You don’t expect one guy with a side-arm to go after someone with an assault rifle?

aside for the promoting gun sales angle

yes they do. this is exactly what they are advocating the “armed teachers” do

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JordanRules  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:17:48am

re: #331 Patricia Kayden

I don’t like a lot of the reactions but he definitely should not have that job any longer and I’m inclined to think even he’d agree.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:17:55am

re: #330 MsJ

But neither Schmidt nor Wallace warned the public prior to November 2008 that they had determined that Palin was unqualified and an idiot. I would like them more if they had done that.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:18:02am

Aides are preparing Dotard’s talking points when Don Jr. gets indicted:

“Listen, listen, excuse me….believe me,…this Donald Jr. is a total and complete imposter. He’s a phony. Believe me. I, I, I, don’t know anything about this Donald Jr. I first heard about this guy, believe me, on TV. Some very important and top people told me that this Donald Jr. is a faker. Total faker, and frankly, I believe……I know, that…he’s….like….a loser. Big loser. So, you know, Hillary lost the electoral college. I won the electoral college like in a huge world record landslide. Biggest ever. And so, top people told me this, and I’m like ‘wow, that’s terrific’. And Obama did nothing! NOTHING! Obama did nothing to prevent this Donald Jr. who is a total and complete imposter.”

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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:18:03am

re: #317 Mike Lamb

Don’t forget hacks like Greenwald who scoff at Mueller’s indictments as not being proof of anything—looks like Mueller is hitting at about a 66% clip in terms of guilty pleas to total indictments (might be higher, it’s hard to keep up)…

Your comment reminded me about what author David Cay Johnston said the other night about Mueller’s investigation.

He was saying he loves reading through Mueller’s indictments because they are so well written as to be clear, concise, detailed and hard to argue against.

He said too many times, investigators put together indictments that are messy, hard to follow and questionable.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:18:11am
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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:18:25am

re: #334 Amory Blaine

538 rates Rassmussen at C+, with an average RW bias of about 5 points.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:19:53am

re: #336 JordanRules

I don’t like a lot of the reactions but he definitely should not have that job any longer and I’m inclined to think even he’d agree.

Yes, I have no problem with his retirement just with the way some folk are demonizing him.

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:20:21am

re: #307 JordanRules

LOL!

That one made me laugh out loud at work.

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MsJ  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:20:32am

re: #337 Patricia Kayden

But neither Schmidt nor Wallace warned the public prior to November 2008 that they had determined that Palin was unqualified and an idiot. I would like them more if they had done that.

I hate them both. Full stop. I might RT them for their sudden sanity but I will never forgive and never forget. That they, personally, did the right thing and didn’t vote R in 2008, does nothing but make me hate them more.

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MsJ  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:20:58am

re: #338 Dr. Matt

Aides are preparing Dotard’s talking points when Don Jr. gets indicted:

Hopefully, Ivanka will be back in time to write up the Cliff Notes for the Dotard.

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Amory Blaine  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:21:10am

re: #341 Decatur Deb

Where’s that put america then? Pro fascist or fascist curious?

//(not really)

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:21:30am

re: #314 goddamnedfrank

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Has she heard Trump speak or seen his tweets? He is the most childish man ever. Funny that she has no problems with his bullying and name calling though.

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JordanRules  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:21:32am

re: #343 Belafon

She followed that tweet up by reminding folks that Laura is a discount Ann Coulter.

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JordanRules  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:21:54am

re: #342 Patricia Kayden

Agreed!

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MsJ  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:21:55am

re: #341 Decatur Deb

538 rates Rassmussen at C+, with an average RW bias of about 5 points.

That way that was worded was obvious.

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dangerman  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:22:21am

re: #334 Amory Blaine

bit of an outlier

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MsJ  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:22:45am

re: #348 JordanRules

She followed that tweet up by reminding folks that Laura is a discount Ann Coulter.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:23:48am

re: #346 Amory Blaine

Where’s that put america then? Pro fascist or fascist curious?

//(not really)

It means America is sloppy, a mild case of the sloppiness that got Dresden bombed.

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MsJ  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:24:44am
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MsJ  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:26:37am
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SteelPH  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:26:47am

re: #354 MsJ

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Really, that could describe the entire GOP at this point.

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Mike Lamb  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:28:46am

re: #355 MsJ

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The number of dopey stock photos of the Trump cabal is astonishing.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:30:05am

re: #307 JordanRules

LOL!

My favorite thing about modern conservatives: they nominate and go on to elect a guy who brags about grabbing women by the pussy and who said Megyn Kelly was bleeding from her you know where during a debate is getting vapors because a teenage survivor from a mass gun attack at her school is disrespectful of a conservative Senator.

And I didn’t even mention all the crap conservatives said about President Obama for eight years, or how they all call Elizabeth Warren ‘Pocahontas’, etc.

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Jay C  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:30:15am

re: #241 Dr Lizardo

Basically, the good ol’ one-too-many-viewings-of-Die Hard syndrome.

Or the John Wick movies: Keanu Reeves manages to rack up 60-70 sure kills in the middle of huge crowds and only manages to off the “bad guys” by the score?

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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:30:30am

re: #325 I cannot.

Pence is smarter, more likable and more skilled than Trump.

Just remember those bars are set REALLY low.

Can I ask what you base your “likable” comment on?

In my opinion a guy that his home state hates is not very likeable. I know several people from Indiana and they always say had Trump not picked Pence he would be out of politics. He really pissed off a very conservative state with his hate of same sex-marriage that had huge potential to cost the state a lot of business.

And if people forgot about all of this here are some Wiki links for you to remind yourselves of the effectiveness and then hatred for Mike Pence in Indiana.

Religious Freedom Restoration Act (Indiana)

Fix This Now

And a reminder image of the Indy Stars rather large front page warning to Pence.

“Fix This Now” was the headline on the front page of Indiana’s dominant newspaper, the Indianapolis Star, on March 31, 2015
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Sir John Barron  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:31:17am

re: #355 MsJ

Really? I’m surprised. It’s not like there’s anyone from their own party holding them accountable.

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MsJ  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:31:25am

re: #359 Jay C

Or the John Wick movies: Keanu Reeves manages to rack up 60-70 sure kills in the middle of huge crowds and only manages to off the “bad guys” by the score?

The key is understanding reality vs Hollywood. Apparently, only Liberals can do that.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:31:59am

re: #355 MsJ

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I’m still amazed that Trump has gotten away with having his unqualified, obnoxious kids represent the U.S. abroad. This would never be allowed under a Democratic administration. I’m old enough to remember the outrage when Mrs. Clinton worked on healthcare policy under President Clinton. Those were the days.

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MsJ  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:32:09am

re: #361 Sir John Barron

Really? I’m surprised. It’s not like there’s anyone from their own party holding them accountable.

I think Mueller is having an effect on them.

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sagehen  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:32:32am

re: #305 MsJ

I am not a fan of Raw Story but this is a great article (from a Miami paper).

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“Prepared by years of theater, journalism and debate classes, the students began leveraging media interviews and social media…”

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Sir John Barron  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:33:01am

re: #352 MsJ

Really, the last network that should try to talk about what is or what is not respectful is Fox News.

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dangerman  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:33:19am

re: #358 Sir John Barron

My favorite thing about modern conservatives: they nominate and go on to elect a guy who brags about grabbing women by the pussy and who said Megyn Kelly was bleeding from her you know where during a debate is getting vapors because a teenage survivor from a mass gun attack at her school is disrespectful of a conservative Senator.

And I didn’t even mention all the crap conservatives said about President Obama for eight years, or how they all call Elizabeth Warren ‘Pocahontas’, etc.

they are mad becaause they cant unleash and punch back with all their might at kids

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Targetpractice  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:33:38am

re: #352 MsJ

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How you know a generation is aging into irrelevance: They start bitching that “kids nowadays” don’t show proper respect to their elders and how they’d never allow their own kids to be so “disrespectful.”

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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:33:41am

re: #327 MsJ

MsJoanne
@MsJoanne
It’s really time someone takes on Facebook and the fake BS they allow on their site. What they are allowing is an abomination…and we are seeing why. Their attendance at #CPAC2018 and refusal to discuss this huge issue is telling. #BoycottFacebook #EnoughIsEnough

1:07 PM - Feb 23, 2018

There is one someone that has been doing many expose pieces of Facebook and Mark Zuckerberg. Very tough hits on them.

Art Melber - The Beat.

And if you can’t watch MSNBC…many of the videos are on his website…you might have to do a bit of searching though.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:34:26am

re: #317 Mike Lamb

We’re probably going to find out that Greenwald has Russian sponsors. His pro-Russia/pro-Trump pose is otherwise inexplicable.

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MsJ  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:34:52am

This is what I was referring to in my re: #86 above.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:35:09am

re: #358 Sir John Barron

My favorite thing about modern conservatives: they nominate and go on to elect a guy who brags about grabbing women by the pussy and who said Megyn Kelly was bleeding from her you know where during a debate is getting vapors because a teenage survivor from a mass gun attack at her school is disrespectful of a conservative Senator.

And I didn’t even mention all the crap conservatives said about President Obama for eight years, or how they all call Elizabeth Warren ‘Pocahontas’, etc.

Conservativism is basically a movement headed by a president who’s main claim to fame is how he insults his opponents on Twitter, but they seem to want to hold high school kids to a higher standard than their own.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:35:42am
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Targetpractice  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:36:08am

re: #367 dangerman

they are mad becaause they cant unleash and punch back with all their might at kids

The script is totally at odds with their training. They’re used to the people making the biggest noise after a horrific shooting like this being politicians and members of advocacy groups, who they can unload on with impunity until viewers tune out the noise and move on.

They have no script to deal with the survivors who speak out, particularly when those survivors are teens who witnessed their own friends gunned down in a matter of minutes.

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:36:20am

re: #298 Woods Witch

100% agree. Trump will do damage, but he is a bumbling fool who can’t find a coherent sentence with two hands and a flashlight (h/t Aaron Sorkin, The American President, 1995). Trump has no ideology and can change positions on the head of a pin. While he twists in the wind, very little gets done.

Pence, on the other hand, is a seasoned politician with a clear dominionist agenda. If he makes it to the white house and the Rs still have a majority in the house and senate…..shudder!

From what I understand, Indiana would have serious issues with you thinking he’s competent. Plus, stuff would still have to make it to his desk, and you’d have to come up with an instance of a bill getting to him that he’d sign that Trump wouldn’t.

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JordanRules  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:36:37am

re: #368 Targetpractice

It’s also part of the ‘know your place’ bent of GOPers.

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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:37:29am

re: #328 Decatur Deb

Hope you’re right, and it’s probably worth testing it out. (Ford was the last Republican I could feel some sympathy for. Chevy Chase used to piss me off.)

Don’t ever be sorry to disagree—we have been tending towards the placid.

Oh no need to worry. Though I have been criticized for being overly melodramatic and taking my ball home. I am learning to ignore pessimism, which is hard for me to accept…but when it is time to disagree, I will. : )

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:38:00am

re: #334 Amory Blaine

Rasmussen.

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I cannot.  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:38:30am

re: #360 ObserverArt

Can I ask what you base your “likable” comment on?

On it being a REALLY low bar in comparison to Trump. I mean, a really, REALLY low bar.

Yes, I know Hoosiers hate him. I am one, I think I still have that newspaper around here somewhere.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:40:21am
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Targetpractice  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:40:29am

re: #376 JordanRules

It’s also part of the ‘know your place’ bent of GOPers.

It’s the closest most of them can think of coming to “WOULD YOU KIDS JUST SHUT UP SO WE GROWNUPS CAN TALK?!”

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Kragar  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:41:05am
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MsJ  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:41:44am
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JordanRules  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:41:46am
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:43:47am
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JordanRules  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:43:56am

His class sounds fun!

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Targetpractice  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:46:03am

re: #380 goddamnedfrank

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They didn’t stop and think that sending out a woman whose day job is advocating armed revolution against any who question the rule of King Trump was a bad idea.

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Renaissance_Man  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:46:22am

re: #379 I cannot.

On it being a REALLY low bar in comparison to Trump. I mean, a really, REALLY low bar.

Yes, I know Hoosiers hate him. I am one, I think I still have that newspaper around here somewhere.

Mike Pence, for all his faults, adheres to minimum basic standards of public decorum. If Pence were at your house, he’d say nice things about it, wouldn’t try to hit on your wife, wouldn’t insult other guests, and wouldn’t brag about his penis size. Pence wouldn’t stand on a national stage and make fun of the disabled. Mike Pence wouldn’t be your friend because he’s a dominionist and authoritarian, but unlike the president, can at least behave like an adult in public.

It never ceases to appall me that Trump voters look at someone doing the equivalent of defecating in public and wiping his ass on your curtains and think that this is a good and decent man. They are broken and undeserving of any rational engagement.

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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:46:54am

Saw a reminder of this last night. I see originally it came out last June, but it is still a good indicator of how the rest of the world sees Trump.

Titled: Australian Prime Minister Does Donald Trump Impression

Australian Prime Minister Does Donald Trump Impression | All In | MSNBC

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dangerman  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:47:47am

re: #375 Belafon

From what I understand, Indiana would have serious issues with you thinking he’s competent. Plus, stuff would still have to make it to his desk, and you’d have to come up with an instance of a bill getting to him that he’d sign that Trump wouldn’t.

YouTube

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:48:26am

re: #379 I cannot.

On it being a REALLY low bar in comparison to Trump. I mean, a really, REALLY low bar.

Yes, I know Hoosiers hate him. I am one, I think I still have that newspaper around here somewhere.

Nobody likes Pence. NOBODY.
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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:51:28am

re: #355 MsJ

Reuters Top News ✔
@Reuters
Trump Jr. drops planned foreign policy speech in India after criticism reut.rs

1:10 PM - Feb 23, 2018

It is not going to be a fun weekend in Trumpland. A good thing.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:52:14am

re: #359 Jay C

Or the John Wick movies: Keanu Reeves manages to rack up 60-70 sure kills in the middle of huge crowds and only manages to off the “bad guys” by the score?

“It’s quantum, baby!”

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:52:32am

re: #388 Renaissance_Man

Mike Pence, for all his faults, adheres to minimum basic standards of public decorum. If Pence were at your house, he’d say nice things about it, wouldn’t try to hit on your wife, wouldn’t insult other guests, and wouldn’t brag about his penis size. Pence wouldn’t stand on a national stage and make fun of the disabled. Mike Pence wouldn’t be your friend because he’s a dominionist and authoritarian, but unlike the president, can at least behave like an adult in public.

It never ceases to appall me that Trump voters look at someone doing the equivalent of defecating in public and wiping his ass on your curtains and think that this is a good and decent man. They are broken and undeserving of any rational engagement.

And those same people are appalled that children are talking back to adults.

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sagehen  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:52:40am

re: #363 Patricia Kayden

I’m still amazed that Trump has gotten away with having his unqualified, obnoxious kids represent the U.S. abroad. This would never be allowed under a Democratic administration. I’m old enough to remember the outrage when Mrs. Clinton worked on healthcare policy under President Clinton. Those were the days.

Or that Bill Clinton once spent 20 minutes speaking with Loretta Lynch.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:53:41am

re: #385 goddamnedfrank

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Except that Ingraham doesn’t have any authority outside of her rightwing bubble.

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MsJ  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:54:38am
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sagehen  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:55:19am

re: #370 Patricia Kayden

We’re probably going to find out that Greenwald has Russian sponsors. His pro-Russia/pro-Trump pose is otherwise inexplicable.

My hypothesis — it’s second-degree leverage; if Greenwald displeases the Russians, Edward Snowdon and his girlfriend will suffer the consequences, which even if Greenwald has no human interest in Snowdon’s well-being it would destroy his own career.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:56:23am

re: #387 Targetpractice

They didn’t stop and think that sending out a woman whose day job is advocating armed revolution against any who question the rule of King Trump was a bad idea.

The problem really began when the NRA stopped trying to grow or focus exclusively on how to best practically defend the RTBA and instead became just another insular, generic faction within the broader right wing culture war. The more and more radical and unhinged they got the more they isolated themselves by alienating non-conservative gun owners, a process that quickly formed a runaway positive feedback loop of derp -> isolation -> wagon circling paranoia -> more derp …

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SteelPH  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:58:44am

re: #388 Renaissance_Man

Mike Pence, for all his faults, adheres to minimum basic standards of public decorum. If Pence were at your house, he’d say nice things about it, wouldn’t try to hit on your wife, wouldn’t insult other guests, and wouldn’t brag about his penis size. Pence wouldn’t stand on a national stage and make fun of the disabled. Mike Pence wouldn’t be your friend because he’s a dominionist and authoritarian, but unlike the president, can at least behave like an adult in public.

It never ceases to appall me that Trump voters look at someone doing the equivalent of defecating in public and wiping his ass on your curtains and think that this is a good and decent man. They are broken and undeserving of any rational engagement.

Pence is the kinda guy where if you were to beat him at a fighting game, he’d congratulate you and then gripe about it in private.

Trump is the kinda guy where if you were to beat him in a fighting game, he’d physically assault you.

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dangerman  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:58:50am

re: #399 goddamnedfrank

The problem really began when the NRA stopped trying to grow or focus exclusively on how to best practically defend the RTBA and instead became just another insular, generic faction within the broader right wing culture war. The more and more radical and unhinged they got the more they isolated themselves by alienating non-conservative gun owners, a process that quickly formed a runaway positive feedback loop of derp -> isolation -> wagon circling paranoia -> more derp …

it sounded like more than half of lapierre’s speech yesterday was about other topics, not guns

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MsJ  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:59:02am

And with this, off to meeting land I go.

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JordanRules  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:59:04am

Oh lord. It’s gonna take questions today.

MSNBC standing by for the presser.

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Kragar  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:59:15am
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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:59:29am

re: #391 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

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Thanks for that image. I was sort of hoping you’d add that to the mix as I remember it from past Pence discussions.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:59:50am

re: #405 ObserverArt

Thanks for that image. I was sort of hoping you’d add that to the mix as I remember it from past Pence discussions.

I try not to disappoint.

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JordanRules  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:00:31am

re: #403 JordanRules

Joint press conference with Turnbull.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:01:34am

re: #404 Kragar

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Stop being a gun pedant, Marco. No one likes being gunsplained to.

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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:01:38am

re: #400 SteelPH

Pence is the kinda guy where if you were to beat him at a fighting game, he’d congratulate you and then gripe about it in private.

Trump is the kinda guy where if you were to beat him in a fighting game, he’d have someone else physically assault you.

Hope you don’t mind the bold addition.

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:01:57am

re: #404 Kragar

Once again, a whole lot of the problem is the delivery system. I found what is essentially a bolt action AR-15. I don’t see any problem in someone owning one if they get a license. But they’re going to push it until the reaction is to ban them all.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:02:04am
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Targetpractice  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:02:56am

re: #399 goddamnedfrank

The problem really began when the NRA stopped trying to grow or focus exclusively on how to best practically defend the RTBA and instead became just another insular, generic faction within the broader right wing culture war. The more and more radical and unhinged they got the more they isolated themselves by alienating non-conservative gun owners, a process that quickly formed a runaway positive feedback loop of derp -> isolation -> wagon circling paranoia -> more derp …

I think a large part of the recent fallout may start with yesterday’s speech by Wayne, where he pretty much ditched any pretense of the NRA being anything but the gun lobbying arm of the GOP.

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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:04:03am

re: #412 Targetpractice

I think a large part of the recent fallout may start with yesterday’s speech by Wayne, where he pretty much ditched any pretense of the NRA being anything but the gun lobbying arm of the GOP.

Heh. Ol’ Wayne shot himself in the foot!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:04:09am

re: #404 Kragar

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Kragar  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:05:28am

re: #410 Belafon

Once again, a whole lot of the problem is the delivery system. I found what is essentially a bolt action AR-15. I don’t see any problem in someone owning one if they get a license. But they’re going to push it until the reaction is to ban them all.

If you really want to focus on the core tenets of marksmanship and consider yourself a hunter, then you would really prefer a good bolt action rifle.

If you want a semi-automatic rifle with the capability to take high capacity magazines and can be modified to be fully automatic, you’re looking to kill people.

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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:06:35am

Poor Li’l’ Marco. He is terrible at this politics stuff.

But he is a great hole digger. The best.

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Kragar  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:06:40am
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Belafon  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:07:48am

re: #414 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

The load action should also be separate from pulling the trigger. Manual.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:08:05am

re: #417 Kragar

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Yeah it’s that damn feminism, that’s the spirit. Morons. Blame feminism but not easy access to guns.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:09:22am

re: #417 Kragar

Sounds like an MRA that’s about to snap. Might wanna keep an eye on that one.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:10:10am

re: #410 Belafon

Once again, a whole lot of the problem is the delivery system. I found what is essentially a bolt action AR-15. I don’t see any problem in someone owning one if they get a license. But they’re going to push it until the reaction is to ban them all.

Semi autos of all kinds are the problem.

re: #415 Kragar

If you really want to focus on the core tenets of marksmanship and consider yourself a hunter, then you would really prefer a good bolt action rifle.

If you want a semi-automatic rifle with the capability to take high capacity magazines and can be modified to be fully automatic, you’re looking to kill people.

If the inventiveness of Californians has taught me anything it’s that the only thing that will work is a blanket ban on all semi-autos. They’re already getting around the new assault weapon ban by making kits that allow you to drop the mag by replacing the takedown pin with a button that “disassembles” the action, which simultaneously activates the mag release as you pivot the rear of the upper receiver up just a bit.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:10:37am

re: #380 goddamnedfrank

Yeah, maybe the NRA’s recent video bombs of their spokespeople burning or destroying stuff wasn’t the best approach.

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Amory Blaine  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:11:05am

re: #410 Belafon

Im already there. They can expand it to handguns too afaic.

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sagehen  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:11:32am

re: #402 MsJ

And with this, off to meeting land I go.

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Since that’s a Bloomberg article, it reminds me to mention…

In NYC, law-abiding people have no difficulty acquiring guns (and the required licenses). Hundreds of thousands of New Yorkers carry guns with them every single day.

At the same time, aggressive enforcement of our relatively strict gun control laws is why our murder rate is down 85% from what it was in the early 90’s.

Illegal guns still exist of course; but when somebody uses them to kill somebody, it gets solved. Because there’s more than enough homicide cops to deal with 1/10 as many cases as there used to be.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:12:17am

re: #402 MsJ

And with this, off to meeting land I go.

Maybe they can trot out Dana for another meltdown.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:14:32am

re: #404 Kragar

Or we could do better at restricting the sale of these guns to certain people. Like why did the Parkland shooter have the arsenal that he had? He was only 19.

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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:16:02am

re: #415 Kragar

If you really want to focus on the core tenets of marksmanship and consider yourself a hunter, then you would really prefer a good bolt action rifle.

If you want a semi-automatic rifle with the capability to take high capacity magazines and can be modified to be fully automatic, you’re looking to kill people.

I often wonder why gun nuts do not notice police and military snipers use bolt action rifles. M14 at first and now using the M24.

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Alephnaught  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:17:29am

re: #307 JordanRules

LOL!

Laura Ingham witlessly tweets:

HOW TEENS SPEAK TO AND ABT ADULTS: “We shd change the names of AR-15s to ‘Marco Rubio’ bc they are so easy to buy,”

That’s not how “HOW TEENS SPEAK TO AND ABT ADULTS” (Love the 90s TXTspeak realness BTW, very on the pulse there.), it’s how teen adults speak to official Grownups who think they’re adults.

I was talking about the potential generation gap dynamic a couple of days ago. I didn’t expect it to witlessly blatant so soon.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:23:50am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:35:54am

re: #427 ObserverArt

I often wonder why gun nuts do not notice police and military snipers use bolt action rifles. M14 at first and now using the M24.

The M24 started being replaced by the M110 over a decade ago. It’s a byproduct of the semi-auto SR-25. Which was begat from the AR10 essentially.
Of course, the M24s were then taken and remanufactured into the M2010.

Moral of the story. Military snipers have various tools in their tool box.

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Pineapple Pizzagate  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:36:06am

re: #256 MsJ

andrew kaczynski✔
The Missouri GOP’s first sentence in their statement defending the governor being indicated for allegedly blackmailing his mistress with nude photos is about George Soros.

If a window was broken or a drain was blocked up, someone was certain to say that Soros had come in the night and done it, and when the key of the store-shed was lost, the whole farm was convinced that Soros had thrown it down the well. Curiously enough, they went on believing this even after the mislaid key was found under a sack of meal.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 23, 2018 • 12:22:54pm

re: #281 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

They’re getting a mild dose of the Charlottesville Nazi treatment. Let’s hope the condition spreads and becomes more virulent.

They lost Norton, maybe they can pick up Kaspersky Lab.


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