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i(m)p(each)sos  Sep 28, 2020 • 9:29:23pm

GOTTC!

(Get Out the Tax Cheat!)

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Targetpractice  Sep 28, 2020 • 9:30:50pm

Food for thought: In re: #74 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Another high quality poll has Biden at +9 in Pennsylvania tonight; the second such poll tonight. According to fivethirtyeight.com, there is 1 chance in 3 that Pennsylvania will be the tipping point state.

Hence why the PA GOP are trying to cancel the vote:

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 28, 2020 • 9:34:29pm

re: #2 Targetpractice

Food for thought: In

Hence why the PA GOP are trying to cancel the vote:

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The GOP is going to lose; SCOTUS doesn’t tell state supreme courts how to interpret state law.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 28, 2020 • 9:37:05pm

Anyway the details of how Trump stole billions from the investors in his Atlantic City casinos was reported by vox.com in October 2016, but the story didn’t concern Clinton’s emails, so it pretty much got ignored. vox.com

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Targetpractice  Sep 28, 2020 • 9:37:08pm

re: #3 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The GOP is going to lose; SCOTUS doesn’t tell state supreme courts how to interpret state law.

True, but in the mean time if a stay is granted, that’s time the state has to wait while the bench gets around to deciding whether or not to slap the PA GOP upside the head.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 28, 2020 • 9:39:17pm

re: #5 Targetpractice

True, but in the mean time if a stay is granted, that’s time the state has to wait while the bench gets around to deciding whether or not to slap the PA GOP upside the head.

I would be very surprised if a stay was granted; Roberts doesn’t usually go for such nakedly partisan moves, and Barrett isn’t on the Court yet.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 28, 2020 • 9:52:21pm

Trump’s entire career has been funded by other people’s money, usually obtained through criminal or fraudulent activity. Fraud to dodge estate taxes on Fred’s fortune; self dealing to steal from the investors in his casinos; the Trump University fraud; laundering Russian mob money through real estate deals, grifting from charities, his campaign, and lately the U.S. Government, and selling access to the presidency through his hotels and resorts. His $421 million in personal debt is probably mostly owed to foreign banks, and may well be guaranteed by oligarchs close to Putin. And because he is incapable of accomplishing anything real, hundreds of thousands will die in this pandemic. Its truly the darkest era in American history since WWII; his presidency must be ended in this election.

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2020 • 10:10:16pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 28, 2020 • 10:17:17pm

Giphy

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 28, 2020 • 10:20:24pm

re: #9 teleskiguy

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She’s always praised tax cuts before.

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2020 • 10:23:04pm

There’s a movie on Showtime right now called the Jesus Rolls. John Turturro plays Jesus, Bobby Camnavale plays his friend Petey, and Audrey Tautou plays a shampooist named Marie. It’s totally weird so far, but I don’t have time to finish it.

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Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)  Sep 28, 2020 • 10:26:29pm

re: #9 teleskiguy

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I saw that one, and wondered WTF universe I had slipped into this time.

Then I remembered that Ann Coulter has exquisitely tuned rat-instincts. The ship is sinking and she’s swarming into the water, hoping to disguise herself as an innocent passenger, deluded and deceived by the wicked Trump.

Don’t let her do it.

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Targetpractice  Sep 28, 2020 • 10:26:33pm

re: #9 teleskiguy

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Did somebody hack her account?

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 28, 2020 • 10:29:39pm

re: #9 teleskiguy

(Quoth Ann)

I don’t think the conservative take on @realDonaldTrump paying no taxes should be: BECAUSE HE’S SMART!

I’ve paid nearly 50% of my income in taxes, year after year, and any system that allows billionaires to pay ZERO is unspeakable corrupt.

How about changing it, Democrats?

Dems did, you moron. Under Clinton, and later, Obama. Both times the repugs swept in and eradicated the reforms.

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Targetpractice  Sep 28, 2020 • 10:35:07pm

re: #14 A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con

(Quoth Ann)

Dems did, you moron. Under Clinton, and later, Obama. Both times the repugs swept in and eradicated the reforms.

To be fair, she did come out after the 2012 elections, during the so-called “fiscal cliff,” to argue that Repubs should accept the repeal of the Bush Tax Cuts. Or at least the repeal of the tax cuts on the top brackets, with the reasoning being clear: “We lost the election.”

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 28, 2020 • 10:42:20pm

So infuriating to listen to Rachel’s interview of Andrew Weissmann who served on the Mueller team. I remember how we all here were so confident that Mueller had copies of Trump’s tax returns; instead Mueller punted out of the fear that the team would be fired.

Let’s hope that this drip-drip-drip of information about Trump not just fade into background noise but actually manage to peel additional support away from Trump. And let’s hope Biden has a stellar performance Tuesday evening.

My sister talks weekly with a friend who has resided in Spain for over 45 years. The friend feels that Trump is a strong, dominant leader, while Biden appears to be a frail elderly man. Too many voters respond only to personality and style rather than ideas and character. That and, of course, the widespread support of white supremacy by too many of our fellow citizens.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 28, 2020 • 10:43:30pm

Part two is out, about how The Apprentice saved Trump’s ass, and created new grifting opportunities. nytimes.com

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 28, 2020 • 10:49:48pm
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danarchy  Sep 28, 2020 • 11:04:42pm

re: #12 Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)

I saw that one, and wondered WTF universe I had slipped into this time.

Then I remembered that Ann Coulter has exquisitely tuned rat-instincts. The ship is sinking and she’s swarming into the water, hoping to disguise herself as an innocent passenger, deluded and deceived by the wicked Trump.

Don’t let her do it.

Ann turned on Trump a long time ago because he wasn’t sufficiently xenophobic and bigoted for her.

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 28, 2020 • 11:09:13pm

re: #15 Targetpractice

To be fair, she did come out after the 2012 elections, during the so-called “fiscal cliff,” to argue that Repubs should accept the repeal of the Bush Tax Cuts. Or at least the repeal of the tax cuts on the top brackets, with the reasoning being clear: “We lost the election.”

Yes, but it seems she has conveniently forgotten that Democrats ever did anything to the tax code.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 28, 2020 • 11:12:39pm
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Dr Lizardo  Sep 28, 2020 • 11:13:20pm

re: #17 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Part two is out, about how The Apprentice saved Trump’s ass, and created new grifting opportunities. nytimes.com

The Apprentice is what saved Trump - had that show promptly fizzled out and been canceled after one season, Trump would’ve been left floundering and by now would either be in prison on tax evasion or be living in a modest bungalow near Atlantic City, his former real estate empire having been long ago liquidated to pay off his mountain of debts.

The Trump Organization would be remembered as a cautionary tale of hubris and incompetence and his resentful kids would probably have cut him out of their lives, and Melania would’ve either remarried by now or gone back to Slovenia (or elsewhere in Europe).

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 28, 2020 • 11:32:41pm

Summer came back to the strait yesterday. It brought back 100+ degree temps and more fire smoke, although it’s at a fairly high altitude as our AQI is only in the yellow at 75. The moon is a strong orange color and the stars are dim. 102F/13% today.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 28, 2020 • 11:35:14pm

re: #23 Dread Pirate Ron

One slight correction, nothing but the moon and Mars can be seen. No stars are visible.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 29, 2020 • 12:10:41am
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PrairieQueen  Sep 29, 2020 • 12:17:36am

And unlike the Parscale takedown, not every hostage situation ends well.
Multiple people dead after shots were fired in Oregon hostage situation
cnn.com

No information yet what this was about, but this is another in an endless line of people losing their life to an armed asshole. No info yet on if the asshole doing the shooting is one of the dead, though it sounds like there was an officer involved shooting.

If the worst thing that happens to assholes that threaten to kill people or kill people is they’re tackled on pavement after selective deafness when asked to get on the ground, I’m fine with it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2020 • 12:21:46am

re: #10 Dread Pirate Ron

[Anne Coulter] always praised tax cuts before.

tax cuts yeah, but the notion is still that people pay what they owe.

that is the basis of the Swiss system: keep taxes low so that people put their effort into earning money and not into avoiding taxes on it.

(Of course their system is also based on millionaires/billionaires all over the world parking their money there to avoid taxes at home)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2020 • 12:23:29am

re: #19 danarchy

Ann turned on Trump a long time ago because he wasn’t sufficiently xenophobic and bigoted for her.

She was among the first to understand that his promise to build The Wall was an empty one.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 29, 2020 • 12:49:14am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2020 • 12:50:20am

and don’t even think about saying bad things about the King (or even his dog)

Tourist faces jail in Thailand over hotel review

A US man is facing up to two years in jail in Thailand after posting negative reviews of a hotel he stayed in.

He was sued by the resort under the country’s strict anti-defamation laws.

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PrairieQueen  Sep 29, 2020 • 12:54:58am

re: #4 NO SMOCKING GUN!

His various business ventures have been documented for years, through bankruptcies and a long list of lawsuits, not to mention rape allegations. The only way any of his past misdeeds will become front and center is if he is no longer POTUS. Given how rarely the Democrats can ever be effective (the impeachment that mattered not) I don’t know if they could prosecute this if it was handed on a silver platter and wrapped in a bow.

It is my hope that not only will be do prison time for a laundry list of white collar crimes, but so will every one of those shitheads that received benefit and participated. I would hope if Biden is elected that a special investigative task force gets busy with it. The people of the United States is owed that justice.

Trump should be remembered with Emelda Marcos’ shoe collection as a portrait of wretched excess as his nation suffered.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 29, 2020 • 12:57:46am

Update to our risk level in the Panhandle, now moved to the edge of “high.”

pphd.org

All towns within PPHD are now at “moderate” risk except mine, Lisco, and Llewellyn (no cases).

4 new cases in the Panhandle, with 9 deaths (+1, Scott’s Bluff County)

Weekly positivity rate: 16.1%

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 29, 2020 • 1:02:20am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2020 • 1:04:38am

re: #31 PrairieQueen

The Impeachment only served to get the GOP to go on record as being aware to ignore the President’s crimes.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 29, 2020 • 1:06:06am

Thread, eight tweets, first three.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 29, 2020 • 1:08:32am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2020 • 1:10:54am

So Newsmax is covering the tax story but their spin is:

“This is disgusting, it’s illegal and somebody needs to get to the bottom of why the IRS is weaponizing their power to go against their political opponent,” [former acting director of national intelligence] Grenell told host Sean Spicer, noting the fact the Times did not publish the actual tax forms to protect its source signals it is a government insider seeking to take down the president.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 29, 2020 • 1:14:06am

She’s running against Rep. Don Bacon (R-NE2)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 29, 2020 • 1:15:05am

re: #37 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

noting the fact the Times did not publish the actual tax forms to protect its source signals it is a government insider seeking to take down the president

And their evidence for that bald-ass assertion is?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2020 • 1:17:37am

re: #39 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

And their evidence for that bald-ass assertion is?

Depth of State, Shaminess of Scam and Witchiness of Hunt.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 29, 2020 • 1:17:46am

re: #39 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

And their evidence for that bald-ass assertion is?

I doubt they have any evidence; it’s just an assertion, as you said. Though to be fair, I wouldn’t be surprised one iota if someone in the IRS leaked the relevant info to the NY Times, and I doubt anyone else would be all that surprised either.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2020 • 1:20:29am

re: #41 Dr Lizardo

I doubt they have any evidence; it’s just an assertion, as you said. Though to be fair, I wouldn’t be surprised one iota if someone in the IRS leaked the relevant info to the NY Times, and I doubt anyone else would be all that surprised either.

This was bound to happen, but they held out for maximum timing effect. Trump will not be able to play this down at the debates. Nor can any other GOP candidates distance themselves from it…the albatross around their necks is really starting to stink.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 29, 2020 • 1:28:22am

re: #42 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This was bound to happen, but they held out for maximum timing effect. Trump will not be able to play this down at the debates. Nor can any other GOP candidates distance themselves from it…the albatross around their necks is really starting to stink.

It’s far too late for the GOP to distance themselves from Trump now - it’s practically October and a wee bit over a month to go before the elections. If the GOP leadership issued the “abandon ship, it’s every man for himself” call now, it’d all end in a GOP rout as the Trumpian base punishes the party for abandoning the President.

They must be feeling like the doomed passengers and crew of the RMS Titanic right about now. The only thing they can do now is pray for a miracle….except that unusual popping sound - the sound of straining steel and the cracking of deck planking - is probably quite distracting.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 29, 2020 • 1:29:06am

re: #42 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This was bound to happen, but they held out for maximum timing effect. Trump will not be able to play this down at the debates. Nor can any other GOP candidates distance themselves from it…the albatross around their necks is really starting to stink.

I noted last year that there’s just as much money to be made by a media outlet tearing down a candidate as there is building one up.

That said, the New York Times says they obtained the documents from people who have legal access to them.

I imagine the NYT is not dumb enough to fall into a trap where they could get sued into oblivion.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 29, 2020 • 1:30:59am

re: #44 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I noted last year that there’s just as much money to be made by a media outlet tearing down a candidate as there is building one up.

That said, the New York Times says they obtained the documents from people who have legal access to them.

I imagine the NYT is not dumb enough to fall into a trap where they could get sued into oblivion.

Absolutely; after all, if there’s one thing people love just as much as putting others on a pedestal…..it’s tearing down that pedestal and anyone unfortunate enough to be on it.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 29, 2020 • 1:31:34am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 29, 2020 • 1:41:53am

Absentee ballots (called “early voting ballots” in our state laws) will be mailed out to everyone who requested them in our state today. (Nebraska has no-excuse absentee ballots.) Rural mail ballots will also be mailed today.

Eagerly looking forward to my mail.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2020 • 1:42:13am

re: #43 Dr Lizardo

They must be feeling like the doomed passengers and crew of the RMS Titanic right about now. The only thing they can do now is pray for a miracle….except that unusual popping sound - the sound of straining steel and the cracking of deck planking - is probably quite distracting.

They must have know that Trump was only in this for himself and not concerned a lick about the party, let them pay for that massive lapse in judgement.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 29, 2020 • 1:44:47am
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Dr Lizardo  Sep 29, 2020 • 1:46:44am

re: #48 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They must have know that Trump was only in this for himself and not concerned a lick about the party, let them pay for that massive lapse in judgement.

Of course, we’ll have to see how the debate goes between Trump and Biden tonight. If things go poorly for Trump, then privately (spoken only in hushed whispers by the GOP leadership), the “abandon ship” call may well go out.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 29, 2020 • 1:52:19am

re: #50 Dr Lizardo

Of course, we’ll have to see how the debate goes between Trump and Biden tonight. If things go poorly for Trump, then privately (spoken only in hushed whispers by the GOP leadership), the “abandon ship” call may well go out.

https://juanitajean.com/debate-warning-expect-trump-to-threaten-little-kittens/ (Goes to Juanita Jean’s, the World’s Most Dangerous Beauty Salon)

Emerson Polling found something interesting that kinda goes against what you’d expect.

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2020 • 1:54:44am

re: #37 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So Newsmax is covering the tax story but their spin is:

“This is disgusting, it’s illegal and somebody needs to get to the bottom of why the IRS is weaponizing their power to go against their political opponent,” [former acting director of national intelligence] Grenell told host Sean Spicer, noting the fact the Times did not publish the actual tax forms to protect its source signals it is a government insider seeking to take down the president.

What’s really telling is that Grenell is not even entertaining the thought that this is all fake. Hell, even Donny in the quoted tweets basically admits that the information is legit. All that’s left is for the former to (baselessly) accuse the IRS of having leaking those forms and the latter to try to spin them like a fucking dynamo.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2020 • 1:56:33am

re: #52 Targetpractice

What’s really telling is that Grenell is not even entertaining the thought that this is all fake. Hell, even Donny in the quoted tweets basically admits that the information is legit. All that’s left is for the former to (baselessly) accuse the IRS of having leaking those forms and the latter to try to spin them like a fucking dynamo.

If they were fake, then Donny could, of course, prove that by releasing the “real” documents.

I can’t wait until LGF proves that they were a fake typed out on an IBM selectric…

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 29, 2020 • 1:57:22am

re: #51 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

LOL comment at that article:

Trump wants Biden to submit to a drug test. Biden should challenge him to a cognitive test like the one Trump brags about acing, except Joe gets to pick the words. Maybe something like:
1. Adultery
2. Corruption
3. Kleptocracy
4. Nepotism
5. Racist
Then have Trump recite them at the beginning of the debate and again at the end, in order. The clip would make a great commercial titled “Trump - in his own words”

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2020 • 1:59:54am

re: #53 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If they were fake, then Donny could, of course, prove that by releasing the “real” documents.

I can’t wait until LGF proves that they were a fake typed out on an IBM selectric…

What I found telling in the immediate hours after the story hit was Donny didn’t do his usual bluster about litigation and the filing thereof. The man is nothing if not predictable and the fact that he didn’t immediately start making noises about suing the Gray Lady told me that he doesn’t want to go through discovery on such a lawsuit.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 29, 2020 • 2:03:42am

Wingnuts on parade.

Colorado sued over limits on size of religious gatherings during pandemic (Denver Post)

Liberty Counsel sues Gov. Jared Polis over 175-person limit on crowd sizes during pandemic

A legal organization representing Andrew Wommack Ministries sued Gov. Jared Polis on Monday in an effort to halt Colorado’s COVID-19 public health orders that limit the size of religious and other gatherings ahead of a conference the Woodland Park ministry is holding next week.

The lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court in Denver, asks for a temporary restraining order and preliminary injunction against multiple public health orders issued by state officials during the coronavirus pandemic.

The suit comes a week before the ministry’s Pastor’s Conference, which is scheduled to start Oct. 5. The event draws pastors and ministers from outside the local community and is required attendance for more than 600 students at Charis Bible College, according to the legal complaint.

(more)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2020 • 2:07:59am

re: #56 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Wingnuts on parade.

Colorado sued over limits on size of religious gatherings during pandemic (Denver Post)

Liberty Counsel sues Gov. Jared Polis over 175-person limit on crowd sizes during pandemic

Football is a religion!

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 29, 2020 • 2:11:40am

I don’t know why we have restrictions on gatherings. If stupid groups of people want to get together and spread Covid I say more power to them. We have no natural selection in an advanced civilization, I say we let the stupids kill themselves off.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 29, 2020 • 2:12:37am

re: #57 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Football is a religion!

The suit takes a sideswipe at the George Floyd protests without directly naming them, instead lying about “non-existent” social distancing and failing to mention those protests are outside, rather than in a church.

Liberty Counsel also argues the meeting is necessary for continuing education for pastors, who will come from all over the country.

The town the church is in, Woodland Park, is a few miles west of Colorado Springs in Wingnuttia (Teller County).

The town would be overwhelmed with Christian covidiots, and would spill over into Colorado Springs (which is also full of Christian covidiots and libertarian covidiots, along with Focus on the Family).

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 29, 2020 • 2:14:25am

re: #58 Dread Pirate Ron

I don’t know why we have restrictions on gatherings. If stupid groups of people want to get together and spread Covid I say more power to them. We have no natural selection in an advanced civilization, I say we let the stupids kill themselves off.

The problem is they kill off the smart as well. If they could keep it to themselves, I’d be all for it.

Maybe we could give them a Dakota.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2020 • 2:14:39am

re: #58 Dread Pirate Ron

I don’t know why we have restrictions on gatherings. If stupid groups of people want to get together and spread Covid I say more power to them. We have no natural selection in an advanced civilization, I say we let the stupids kill themselves off.

we have been through that. If it were that simple, I would say go for it…but think about how many non-stupid people they will also infect.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 29, 2020 • 2:15:40am

re: #60 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

The problem is they kill off the smart as well. If they could keep it to themselves, I’d be all for it.

Maybe we could give them a Dakota.

Yeah but the smart learn fast not to associate with the stupids. If they don’t they aren’t so smart.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 29, 2020 • 2:21:02am

Another stolen valour Republican.

The military record of a Republican candidate for Douglas County commissioner has sparked criticism from political opponents and veterans, with the county’s sheriff breaking with his own party to support the Democrat in the race.

Is there anything a conservative won’t steal?

Douglas County commissioner candidate’s military record prompts allegations of misrepresenting service (Denver Post)

George Teal, a Castle Rock town council member, had his VFW membership revoked in May (bye-bye asshole, we don’t need people like you)

The military record of a Republican candidate for Douglas County commissioner has sparked criticism from political opponents and veterans, with the county’s sheriff breaking with his own party to support the Democrat in the race.
George Teal

On his campaign biography, George Teal, a Castle Rock town council member, touts himself as a veteran of Operation Desert Storm, the 1991 military campaign to expel occupying Iraqi forces from Kuwait.

But Teal served in Germany during the Gulf War, never seeing combat.

(more)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2020 • 2:21:09am

One of the hotspots for the Covid outbreak in France was a religious gathering in Alsace…

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 29, 2020 • 2:23:25am

re: #64 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

One of the hotspots for the Covid outbreak in France was a religious gathering in Alsace…

IIRC, that was pretty much “Event Zero” that started the outbreak, wasn’t it?

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Jack Burton  Sep 29, 2020 • 2:25:11am

re: #10 Dread Pirate Ron

She’s always praised tax cuts before.

If I had to guess, this is her way of trying to get the Democrats to agree to a (very low) flat tax or some shit.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2020 • 2:27:23am

re: #66 Jack Burton

If I had to guess, this is her way of trying to get the Democrats to agree to a (very low) flat tax or some shit.

I like the notion of a very low base tax with minimal deduction and deferments.

again, it encourages people to just earn money rather than find creative ways to avoid them

it is no coincidence that General Electric has the largest legal department in the world, it is more profitable for them to hire another lawyer than another engineer or researcher…

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 29, 2020 • 2:34:25am

I’m Jonesing for another season of Letterkenny. They need to seal off and quarantine actors and workers in a series and start filming new seasons of TV and movies.

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2020 • 2:35:09am

re: #27 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

tax cuts yeah, but the notion is still that people pay what they owe.

that is the basis of the Swiss system: keep taxes low so that people put their effort into earning money and not into avoiding taxes on it.

(Of course their system is also based on millionaires/billionaires all over the world parking their money there to avoid taxes at home)

I quibble with words
its not what they owe
its a fair share

what you owe is just paying the bill
the question is the rules and enforcement to calculate what you should owe

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 29, 2020 • 2:39:58am

re: #67 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I like the notion of a very low base tax with minimal deduction and deferments.

again, it encourages people to just earn money rather than find creative ways to avoid them

it is no coincidence that General Electric has the largest legal department in the world, it is more profitable for them to hire another lawyer than another engineer or researcher…

I prefer a progressive tax with minimal deferments.

A package of toilet paper costs the same for me and Warren Buffett, but as a percentage of my income the sales tax is much higher for me than him.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 29, 2020 • 2:40:53am

Back later.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2020 • 2:44:32am

re: #70 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I prefer a progressive tax with minimal deferments.

A package of toilet paper costs the same for me and Warren Buffett, but as a percentage of my income the sales tax is much higher for me than him.

Some countries also do that with civic fines: as a percentage of income rather than a flat rate. The President of Nokia in Finland wound up paying over $100K for a speeding ticket, a fine that was based on his salary.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 29, 2020 • 2:44:47am

Headlines in the Cheyenne Wyoming Tribune-Eagle:

Prairie Wind Elementary teacher tests positive for COVID-19, no quarantine ordered
Spike in COVID-19 cases shows “virus is sticking around” as anti-mask protests persist
Cheyenne Municipal Building closes due to positive COVID-19 test (keep city council safe, but not elementary students)
Active coronavirus cases in Wyoming jump by 128, top 1,000 for first time

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 29, 2020 • 2:49:42am

Mullen Fire burns more than 18,000 acres in a little more than 24 hours (Cheyenne Wyoming Tribune-Eagle)

The Mullen Fire is west of Laramie. It is one of the fires putting smoke in our area.

LARAMIE - White specs of ash floated down from thick, orange and gray smoke that rolled into the Laramie Valley Friday afternoon.

It was an initial clue that the Mullen Fire, burning in the Medicine Bow-Routt National Forest for a little more than week to the southwest, had changed from bad to worse.

That was confirmed after the latest fire update at about 7:45 p.m. Friday on the U.S. Forest Service’s Incident Information website: inciweb.nwcg.gov.

The Mullen Fire more than doubled in size, torching 18,047 acres since Thursday afternoon. The total acres burned as of Friday evening was 35,810, with 2% containment.

(more)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 29, 2020 • 2:58:44am

Governor Mark Gordon (R-Wyo.) has ordered the flag to be returned to full staff at sunset today after the death of Ruth Bader Ginsberg, in violation of both the US Flag Code and President Donald Trump’s proclamation.

The flag is placed at half-staff on the death of a Supreme Court Associate Justice from the day of death until the day of interment.

Justice Ginsberg is to be buried at Arlington National Cemetery, but a date for interment is not yet announced.

arlingtoncemetery.mil

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 29, 2020 • 3:16:26am

I’m off to bed. I’ll catch y’all later.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 29, 2020 • 3:51:11am

Looking at real estate to get a feel for what is going on as we approach the election, the trend started in the pandemic continues, with housing supply way down.

However, that the supply is way down keeps the price up.

So even in difficult times for many people, housing costs are not getting cheaper. Housing is getting more expensive (though more slowly than at some other recent times.)

We are in a deeper pickle than I think many are willing to believe. Simply, that the wealth distribution is affecting now how we segment our society, that home ownership is going to be even more difficult the average worker, and that the very wealthy will increase their relative (to the average worker) ability to control land in this country.

And the Federal Reserve is helping this along, because they can’t afford to let real estate crash, because if that happens then the banks become insolvant, holding debt whose face value will be much greater than the ability of the American customer to pay.

This kind of long-term social transition is the next step to destroying the “middle class”. Making home ownership impossible for the majority is a sure way to perpetuate a serfdom.

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 29, 2020 • 3:58:00am
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 29, 2020 • 4:01:36am

Here’s the San Diego county summary for August real estate:

Image: SDAR-report-Aug2020.jpg

Inventory is down to just a bit over a month’s supply, median and average prices are way up.

Yes, one can expect that after the election, and perhaps after the introduction of a vaccine, that the housing market will be flooded. But I suspect the real estate sales business is going to try and limit that, to prop up the price.

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 29, 2020 • 4:17:11am
Bankrupt gunmaker Remington Outdoor will split up its business and sell the pieces to seven different buyers following a bankruptcy auction, court records show.

The biggest sale will go to Minnesota-based Vista Outdoor, which said it will pay $81.4 million for Remington’s brand and trademarks along with parts of its ammo and accessories business including an Arkansas ammunition factory.

Other buyers include outdoor-gear retailer Sportsman’s Warehouse, which will acquire the Tapco brand of gun parts and accessories, and Nevada-based gunmaker Franklin Armory, which is snapping up Remington’s Bushmaster rifle brand, records show.

The sales are expected to bring in at least $155 million that will be applied to Remington’s debts, The Wall Street Journal reported. The company filed for bankruptcy in July as it struggled with weak sales after a 2018 restructuring that slimmed down its hefty debt load.

It’s unclear how the proposed sales will affect a lawsuit Remington is facing over its marketing of the Bushmaster rifle, which was used in the 2012 mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut, according to the Journal.

nypost.com

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steve_davis  Sep 29, 2020 • 4:19:21am

re: #37 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So Newsmax is covering the tax story but their spin is:

“This is disgusting, it’s illegal and somebody needs to get to the bottom of why the IRS is weaponizing their power to go against their political opponent,” [former acting director of national intelligence] Grenell told host Sean Spicer, noting the fact the Times did not publish the actual tax forms to protect its source signals it is a government insider seeking to take down the president.

Be funny if the New York Times found an odd loophole that let them sue newsmax in Thailand.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2020 • 4:29:56am

The other spin at newsmax according to Dick Morris is that Trump overpaid taxes in previous years and that is why he only paid $750 in that particular year.

Trump Didn’t Avoid Taxes, He Prepaid Them

“In 2016 and 2017, he requested and got an extension to file his returns.

As required, he made an estimated tax payment of $1 million in 2016 and $4.2 million in 2017. Then, it turned out that he did not owe that much in taxes, but, rather than demand the money back, he let the IRS keep it and apply it to any future tax he owed.

So — when he only paid $750 in taxes for the first two years of his presidency it was because he had already overpaid during the two previous years and just reduced his payment by that amount.

Over the longer term, Trump overpaid his taxes by $72 million.”

I wonder how Dickie Morris knows this and why Trump just does not release his taxes to make it clear…

Oh, I know why.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 29, 2020 • 4:50:08am

re: #82 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The NYT article covered that “overpaid by $72 million” line in detail, noting that this is the subject of the IRS’s audit that is still in process. So in fact, nobody knows if he actually overpaid by $72 million or not, and the preponderance of evidence, to this layperson, seems to indicate that like everything else he says or does, it’s a burning bag of shit.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2020 • 5:13:06am

re: #83 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

The NYT article covered that “overpaid by $72 million” line in detail, noting that this is the subject of the IRS’s audit that is still in process. So in fact, nobody knows if he actually overpaid by $72 million or not, and the preponderance of evidence, to this layperson, seems to indicate that like everything else he says or does, it’s a burning bag of shit.

If there were only some way that Trump could release relevant information to clear up this issue…

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Decatur Deb  Sep 29, 2020 • 5:22:06am

re: #63 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Another stolen valour Republican.

Fucking REMF politician.

As an Italy-based civilian I actually got into DS and the follow-on “combat” zones. (Everyone in our GP Medium in Turkey was collecting combat pay except me and another civilian.) I was in great danger from Turkish traffic, combat not-so-much.

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sagehen  Sep 29, 2020 • 5:33:04am
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b.d. (Dump Coughing Don!)  Sep 29, 2020 • 5:38:39am

Classy as always:

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 29, 2020 • 5:38:56am

Sweet and non-political.

If I could turn back time! People recreate old snaps from the family album with uncanny results - including a man who looks JUST like his father at the same age

dailymail.co.uk

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2020 Blue Wisconsin  Sep 29, 2020 • 5:44:42am

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 29, 2020 • 5:50:47am

Goddam you UGG for making cute $100 slippers!

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garzooma  Sep 29, 2020 • 5:56:00am

re: #37 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So Newsmax is covering the tax story but their spin is:

“This is disgusting, it’s illegal and somebody needs to get to the bottom of why the IRS is weaponizing their power to go against their political opponent,” [former acting director of national intelligence] Grenell told host Sean Spicer, noting the fact the Times did not publish the actual tax forms to protect its source signals it is a government insider seeking to take down the president.

Or it’s one of Trump’s many creditors.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2020 • 5:58:43am

re: #91 garzooma

Or it’s one of Trump’s many creditors.

If there was only some way Trump could’ve precluded from people leaking his tax returns…

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jeffreyw  Sep 29, 2020 • 5:59:22am

YouTube

Good morning!

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2020 • 6:18:25am

re: #58 Dread Pirate Ron

I don’t know why we have restrictions on gatherings. If stupid groups of people want to get together and spread Covid I say more power to them. We have no natural selection in an advanced civilization, I say we let the stupids kill themselves off.

Because this disease doesn’t just target stupid. It targets those stupid comes in contact with.

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2020 • 6:19:01am

re: #62 Dread Pirate Ron

Yeah but the smart learn fast not to associate with the stupids. If they don’t they aren’t so smart.

stupid people still go to the grocery store.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2020 • 6:19:15am

re: #94 Belafon

Because this disease doesn’t just target stupid. It targets those stupid comes in contact with.

This is not just Darwin Awards time, this is a pandemic

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2020 • 6:20:58am

re: #67 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I like the notion of a very low base tax with minimal deduction and deferments.

again, it encourages people to just earn money rather than find creative ways to avoid them

it is no coincidence that General Electric has the largest legal department in the world, it is more profitable for them to hire another lawyer than another engineer or researcher…

It’s pretty obvious you don’t know any rich people.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2020 • 6:23:09am

re: #97 Belafon

It’s pretty obvious you don’t know any rich people.

true. and by now the culture of tax avoidance is so entrenched in our nation that no tax rate can be low enough to prevent active, creative tax evasion.

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A Mom Anon  Sep 29, 2020 • 6:25:58am

re: #97 Belafon

This isn’t very popular, but I believe there should be a cap on personal wealth. 50 million is a fair number. After that, all the money needs to go back into the business, to the employees. From the lowest paid first, and move up from there. Any other money not needed to run the business should be put into actual pensions. If you can’t live a life well on 50 million bucks, your problem ain’t a lack of money.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 29, 2020 • 6:26:09am

Texas Republican pushing healthcare is mighty rich……….

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Florida Panhandler  Sep 29, 2020 • 6:30:18am

re: #28 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

She was among the first to understand that his promise to build The Wall was an empty one.

This is true. Her allegiance to Trump would have been absolute if he had instituted full-on death camps instead of phony wall building and family separations. Instead she feels conned.

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mmmirele  Sep 29, 2020 • 6:31:02am

re: #56 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Wingnuts on parade.

Colorado sued over limits on size of religious gatherings during pandemic (Denver Post)

Liberty Counsel sues Gov. Jared Polis over 175-person limit on crowd sizes during pandemic

(more)

They should be smacked down, and hard. Wommack’s cult outfit, Charis “Bible College”, was already the site of a coronavirus hotspot in July.

gazette.com

I have to deal with a few of these asshats online, and I’m now where I’m pointing out that my evil too big to fail employer has forbidden me to come into the office and how does it look that an amoral bank cares more about its employees than a church about its parishioners?

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2020 • 6:34:52am
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 29, 2020 • 6:35:10am

re: #99 A Mom Anon

This isn’t very popular, but I believe there should be a cap on personal wealth. 50 million is a fair number. After that, all the money needs to go back into the business, to the employees. From the lowest paid first, and move up from there. Any other money not needed to run the business should be put into actual pensions. If you can’t live a life well on 50 million bucks, your problem ain’t a lack of money.

It’s not a terrible idea, but I’m more in favor of mandating a hard cap on income inequity (and not just from salary - including options, dividends, retirement, insurance - anything that counts as “income” that has to be reported to the IRS). The difference between the lowest-paid employee and the highest-paid should not be vastly different; you can’t tell me that an executive’s expertise is 50 times more valuable than an engineer’s. While I understand that people don’t want to pay “menial jobs” an engineer’s salary, as that potentially devalues the highly specialized engineers, I’m sure there’s a variant on this concept that smarter minds could come up with that would work.

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BigPapa  Sep 29, 2020 • 6:39:24am

The notion that wealthy just worked harder is utterly facile. So you’re telling me that the CEO making 300 times the lowest level of employee put in 300 times more effort? Please, STFU and STFD. It’s aggressive ignorance.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 29, 2020 • 6:39:34am

We have two hospitals that serve a take area of about 200,000 people in 3 states. The larger, about 2/3 our capacity, just had its 100th death. That’s surprisingly close to the early estimates for lethality of the bug. Alabama’s mushy mask and safety guidance expires in 3 days, if not renewed.

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BigPapa  Sep 29, 2020 • 6:44:31am

The period after WW2 with easy VA loans and high taxation on upper wealth seemed to be a golden economic age. Not like it’s not been done before.

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2020 • 6:46:54am

“What you’re telling me, Judge Barrett, is that after seeing your comments from 2016 about not sitting a justice in an election year, is that you’re going to use your position for your own agenda, and not justice.”

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Decatur Deb  Sep 29, 2020 • 6:47:12am

re: #107 BigPapa

The period after WW2 with easy VA loans and high taxation on upper wealth seemed to be a golden economic age. Not like it’s not been done before.

Throw in the most equitable of the GI education bills.

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mmmirele  Sep 29, 2020 • 6:47:19am

McKay Coppins, writing for the Atlantic, has a rather short story about Trump’s general contempt for the religious people who support him. Much of it is in this thread.

Coppins does not mention on Twitter what he does say at the end of his story, which is that Trump would mock Romney over the sacred undergarments Mormons wear.

The whole thing is disgusting, but, frankly, I’m rather glad that Evangelicals have gone almost all in on Trump, because it shows how completely vacuous and power-hungry that bunch are, to the point where they’d set their own movement on fire.

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NetworkKed  Sep 29, 2020 • 6:48:00am

I don’t think a wealth or earnings cap is a good idea - though putting a ceiling on executive pay as a function of minimum pay in a business is worth looking at.

But I have no problem with setting marginal rates over $50M at 49.9%, killing most deductions, and an actual wealth tax of a few (low single digits) percent to drain entrenched wealth back into the economy.

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2020 • 6:52:55am

Cautious optimism

Iowa and Ohio join Florida, Georgia, North Carolina and Maine’s 2nd CD in Toss Up. That leaves just one state, Texas, in Lean Republican. Biden is in the enviable position of not having to win any of those states to get to 270, while Trump has to win all of them, plus another two states (22 Electoral votes) to win the Electoral College.

— cook political report

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2020 • 6:54:09am

re: #111 NetworkKed

I don’t think a wealth or earnings cap is a good idea - though putting a ceiling on executive pay as a function of minimum pay in a business is worth looking at.

But I have no problem with setting marginal rates over $50M at 49.9%, killing most deductions, and an actual wealth tax of a few (low single digits) percent to drain entrenched wealth back into the economy.

I’m not entirely sure how to implement a system where the rich are forced to put a bunch of unused money back into the economy other than making meaningful inflation or a cap on accumulated wealth. At a high enough level, money just makes money by existing, which will end up creating a class of people with too much power.

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2020 • 6:58:54am

re: #108 Belafon

I like this suggestion over at Balloon Juice:

I’d be happy to have all the Dems turn over the questioning to Amy Klobuchar and see if she would do the following.

Simply ask the applicant about… every single law that the Trump Administration has broken…

a day on the emoluments clause, what constitutes a violation and bring up specific instances where the 45 Administration has violated it and ask her, in her opinion if this applies

then a day on the Hatch Act - rinse and repeat

We could have her take on the violation on immigration law, campaign finance violations, sexual assault, what constitutes conspiracy, money laundering, RICO, slander, etc

and just cite the violations that he’s publicly admitted to… and allow her to defend him and her nomination and make it obvious to all that she’s either a pawn or if she’s a jurist…

If nothing else, it would remove any illusions and doubts for us all.

since the result is baked in, I think a nice polite respectful review of what’s taken place would be in order… Harris will be on the campaign trail and I believe the Klobuchar would be up to the task.

balloon-juice.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2020 • 7:06:13am

re: #101 Florida Panhandler

This is true. Her allegiance to Trump would have been absolute if he had instituted full-on death camps instead of phony wall building and family separations. Instead she feels conned.

If I were any sort of Trump supporter who voted because of The Wall, I would be disappointed.

If he had been the least bit serious, he would have convened a planning commission to draft engineering, feasibility and design studies, prepare environmental and legal impact reports and of course, a proposed budget and timetable to send to Congress.

A no-brainer for someone who claims to have a lot of experience with large-scale construction projects…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2020 • 7:07:02am

re: #103 Belafon

At the debate Biden should drop $750 on Trump’s podium and say “next year’s on me, chief.”

Fox:

BIDEN ATTEMPTS TO BRIBE TRUMP NOT TO INVESTIGATE UKRAINE CONNECTION

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 29, 2020 • 7:08:22am

re: #107 BigPapa

The period after WW2 with easy VA loans and high taxation on upper wealth seemed to be a golden economic age. Not like it’s not been done before.

But you also have to throw in the fact that any viable economic competition to the US had pretty much been bombed into oblivion. Germany and Japan were occupied, with vast swathes of their countries in ruins, the Soviet Union was reeling with innumerable dead and the British Empire was exhausted and - for all intents and purposes - bankrupted.

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NetworkKed  Sep 29, 2020 • 7:10:10am

re: #116 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Fox:

BIDEN ATTEMPTS TO BRIBE TRUMP NOT TO INVESTIGATE UKRAINE CONNECTION

Sad but true.

I can’t watch the debates - it really does get to TDS levels when I watch that asshole. But I’ll find someone liveblogging.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2020 • 7:11:20am

re: #118 NetworkKed

Sad but true.

I can’t watch the debates - it really does get to TDS levels when I watch that asshole. But I’ll find someone liveblogging.

I fully intend to ignore the, it will be impossible to ignore the coverage and the blow-by-blow reporting.

But it is not like I need to see them to make up my mind. This is all for show and posturing.

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 29, 2020 • 7:12:10am

re: #118 NetworkKed

Sad but true.

I can’t watch the debates - it really does get to TDS levels when I watch that asshole. But I’ll find someone liveblogging.

I will just read the comments about it here tomorrow morning.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 29, 2020 • 7:12:58am

re: #119 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I fully intend to ignore the, it will be impossible to ignore the coverage and the blow-by-blow reporting.

But it is not like I need to see them to make up my mind. This is all for show and posturing.

Same here. My mind is already made up - Trump’s gotta go, no ifs, ands or buts about it.

I’ll content myself with watching stuff like this:

The Quintinshill Rail Disaster | Historical Disaster Documentaries | Fascinating Horror

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2020 • 7:15:25am

Trump also sees this as a last-ditch attempt to come out swinging and put a dent in Biden’s lead, so expect that he is going to be really over the top in his posturing and blustering and making unfounded claims.

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sagehen  Sep 29, 2020 • 7:17:13am

re: #107 BigPapa

The period after WW2 with easy VA loans and high taxation on upper wealth seemed to be a golden economic age. Not like it’s not been done before.

That, and FHA, and free college, etc.

But also, after WWII we had about 15 years of being the world’s only industrialized nation. Everybody else was rebuilding, almost from scratch, after having been bombed to rubble, that rebuilding was done with American-made bulldozers, cranes, steel, etc. Until they were rebuilt, we had the only flour mills, cotton mills, lumber mills. Even consumer goods, we were the only ones fully operational.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2020 • 7:17:59am

re: #123 sagehen

That, and FHA, and free college, etc.

But also, after WWII we had about 15 years of being the world’s only industrialized nation. Everybody else was rebuilding, almost from scratch, after having been bombed to rubble, that rebuilding was done with American-made bulldozers, cranes, steel, etc. Until they were rebuilt, we had the only flour mills, cotton mills, lumber mills. Even consumer goods, we were the only ones fully operational.

And we had lots of oil.

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PrairieQueen  Sep 29, 2020 • 7:19:57am

re: #110 mmmirele

In Trump’s defense, the things his religious supporters say range from laughable to batshit insane and makes Tom Cruise seem like a pretty well grounded guy. I’m gonna give him a pass on mocking them.

Problem is, they’re so fanatical they wouldn’t believe he would do this, even if they heard it first hand. They’d think it must be demons speaking through him because gays get married with wedding cakes and dine on small children when they invite Tom Hanks to the wedding.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2020 • 7:22:26am

re: #9 teleskiguy

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Bullshit that she’s paying nearly 50% of her income as tax.

The top tax rate has not been above 39.6% since before 1986. That’s the marginal tax rate.

Her effective tax rate is likely to be much lower than that since her income is not all taxed at the top rate, only the amount above the threshold for the top rate. If she makes $1 million, but the threshold is at $500,000, only the last $500,000 is taxed at 39.6%. Everything else is taxed at the lower rates. She’s lying even now.

And if her income included cap gains, then the long term gains were taxed at 15%.

Even when she’s trying to make a point about Trump’s tax scam, she’s lying by exaggeration.

Only way she’s getting close to 50% is if she’s factoring in state and local income taxes too, and even then, it mirrors the federal tax in bracket structure - only the amount above the top tier threshold is taxed at the highest rate.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 29, 2020 • 7:35:17am

re: #125 PrairieQueen

In Trump’s defense, the things his religious supporters say range from laughable to batshit insane and makes Tom Cruise seem like a pretty well grounded guy. I’m gonna give him a pass on mocking them.

Problem is, they’re so fanatical they wouldn’t believe he would do this, even if they heard it first hand. They’d think it must be demons speaking through him because gays get married with wedding cakes and dine on small children when they invite Tom Hanks to the wedding.

Trumpism is a fascist cult, which I have been saying since 2016, but is well explained in this thread.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2020 • 7:35:18am

California wildfires continue decimating wine country north of San Francisco. Zogg fire is raging north of Sacramento. The Glass Fire has destroyed thousands of structures, including the famed Meadowood Resort and Restaurant. Calistoga is under an evac order. I spent some of my honeymoon in Calistoga and Napa Valley. It’s horrific what’s happening, and there’s no end in sight.

cbsnews.com

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 29, 2020 • 7:37:23am

re: #128 lawhawk

California wildfires continue decimating wine country north of San Francisco. Zogg fire is raging north of Sacramento. The Glass Fire has destroyed thousands of structures, including the famed Meadowood Resort and Restaurant. Calistoga is under an evac order. I spent some of my honeymoon in Calistoga and Napa Valley. It’s horrific what’s happening, and there’s no end in sight.

cbsnews.com

Better start stocking up on your favorite boxed white and reds!

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2020 • 7:44:06am
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(((Archangel1)))  Sep 29, 2020 • 7:45:58am
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jaunte  Sep 29, 2020 • 7:46:53am
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Decatur Deb  Sep 29, 2020 • 7:49:07am

What Nature doesn’t do to us,
Will be done by our fellow man.

Major hospital system hit with cyberattack, potentially largest in U.S. history

Computer systems for Universal Health Services, which has more than 400 locations, primarily in the U.S., began to fail over the weekend.
nbcnews.com

I am uniformly opposed to the death penalty, but there are executions I will not protest.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2020 • 7:49:41am

re: #132 jaunte

The GOP doesn’t have a plan. Even the Ruskies have a plan when they want to take a dump. /

Ergo, the GOP is just taking a dump and screwing the millions of people who lose coverage or protections of the ACA.

In the middle of a pandemic.

That’s not a plan. That’s a death sentence and will cause even more medically induced bankruptcies at the worst possible time when hospital resources are stretched to the breaking point and compensating them for care is critical to their solvency. ACA addresses this by making sure that people have coverage and funds flow through to the hospitals.

Before the ACA, hospitals were going bankrupt because of indigent care. That slowed thanks to Obamacare.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2020 • 7:52:09am

re: #133 Decatur Deb

What Nature doesn’t do to us,
Will be done by our fellow man.

That is the underlying theme in The Walking Dead, namely that other humans are a bigger threat than zombies.

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BigPapa  Sep 29, 2020 • 7:54:10am

I suspect that Trump’s taxes may not only reveal tax evasion, they may reveal money laundering. Using his own balance sheets to launder. He’s so desperate to make $ he’ll do anything to make it: casinos, steaks, scam colleges. Is money laundering a bridge too far for him? No, there is no bridge too far for him.

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DodgerFan1988  Sep 29, 2020 • 7:57:31am

Same assholes that raised over $300K for George Zimmerman’s defense fund in 2012.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:00:46am

re: #137 DodgerFan1988

I have cancer, a wife (who is a teacher) and two kids under 6. I’ve been trying to raise 50k for over a year fighting this, and this kid murders people and Christians give him 500k?

If you wanted to write a book on Christianity in America, that could be the text and title right there…

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(((Archangel1)))  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:01:31am
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Teukka  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:01:43am

Tuesday cartoonized evironmental edumacation:

Is It Too Late To Stop Climate Change? Well, it’s Complicated.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:02:50am

re: #137 DodgerFan1988

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Same assholes that raised over $300K for George Zimmerman’s defense fund in 2012.

As I said, Trumpist is fascism. Of course “christian” fascists love a white nationalist terrorist.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:09:26am

Trump has tweeted Project Veritas garbage for three days straight now.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:10:02am

Just finished Anne Applebaum’s Twilight of Democracy. Great read.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:10:22am

You all do know Trump is going to take credit for what are the sure to be high ratings for tonights debate, right?

/

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:16:27am

re: #142 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump has tweeted Project Veritas garbage for three days straight now.

On the plus side, I had a lovely chat with Mrs. Fish about Project Veritas, Faux News, and the bullshit surrounding Ilhan Omar. She was already disinclined to believe it, and then after I told her about the local representative, she hedged on playing Devil’s Advocate until I told her he is a covidiot. Then she was like, “Oh, you should have led with that. He’s a dumbass.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:16:43am

Possible spreader event incoming…


Los Angeles Comic Con says event will go on at LA Convention Center with coronavirus safety measures

Los Angeles Comic-Con is moving forward with a plan for an in-person event in December, making it one of the first Southern California festivals or conventions to attempt to do so since the coronavirus pandemic shut things down in March, organizers announced Sunday.

The convention had previously announced new dates — Dec. 11-13 in place of its usual late October ones — but given the ongoing coronavirus pandemic, it was unclear whether it would actually happen or, like San Diego Comic-Con, Coachella, and many, many other large events, it would skip this year entirely.

Now, L.A. Comic-Con leaders say they have plans in place for a safe event at the Los Angeles Convention Center; tickets will go on sale Tuesday, Sept. 29.

“Over the past six months, we’ve been struggling with a very important question: “Should we even ATTEMPT to have L.A. Comic Con in 2020?” wrote Chris DeMoulin, the general manager of Los Angeles Comic Con.

“Since March, we’ve been living in some version of a ‘Lockdown/Safer at Home’ world, trying hard to stay safe, hoping and praying for the health and safety of ourselves, our family, friends, neighbors and all of our fellow human beings,” he continued. “We’re wearing masks, keeping socially distant, and remaining thankful for frontline workers, hospital personnel and everyone working hard to make a difference.

“And yet, we all yearn for just a little bit of normality, to reclaim some aspects of our lives pre-COVID.

The plan announced Sunday came after conversations with fans, and consultations with state, county and city officials, he said

I mean, they are taking a bunch of precautions but holy hell, this is STILL not a good idea right now.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:18:04am

re: #114 Belafon

I like this suggestion over at Balloon Juice:

balloon-juice.com

All she’ll do is lie and then once seated she’ll do whatever she wants. Getting there is all that matters. Once she’s there is forever.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:18:05am
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danarchy  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:26:20am

re: #126 lawhawk

Bullshit that she’s paying nearly 50% of her income as tax.

The top tax rate has not been above 39.6% since before 1986. That’s the marginal tax rate.

Her effective tax rate is likely to be much lower than that since her income is not all taxed at the top rate, only the amount above the threshold for the top rate. If she makes $1 million, but the threshold is at $500,000, only the last $500,000 is taxed at 39.6%. Everything else is taxed at the lower rates. She’s lying even now.

And if her income included cap gains, then the long term gains were taxed at 15%.

Even when she’s trying to make a point about Trump’s tax scam, she’s lying by exaggeration.

Only way she’s getting close to 50% is if she’s factoring in state and local income taxes too, and even then, it mirrors the federal tax in bracket structure - only the amount above the top tier threshold is taxed at the highest rate.

She lives in NYC so she is probably including State and local income tax, fica, property taxes etc. Even so, with those being marginal tax rates and cap gains and deductions I guarantee she isn’t paying anywhere near 50% of her income as taxes.

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BeachDem  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:29:58am

The trump gang is really scared about the debate. In addition to their drug testing idiocy—

About Chris Wallace:

“He’ll ask me tough questions, and it’ll show, it’ll be unfair,” Trump said. “He’ll be controlled by the radical left.”

and

During a discussion with Fox News anchor Bret Baier, host Bill Hemmer relayed information from one of his colleagues, which was likely planted by the Trump campaign.

“The Trump team asked to inspect the ears of each debater for electronic devices or transmitters,” Hemmer announced. “The Biden team has not consented to that.”

Drug tests, ear tests, next thing they’ll call for strip searching.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:35:09am

re: #150 BeachDem

They wanted to WHAT? What, they think Biden needs to be controlled, that he’s not intelligent enough to demolish Fuckface von Clownstick on his own?

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:35:25am

Shocker!!

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retired cynic  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:35:44am

re: #142 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump has tweeted Project Veritas garbage for three days straight now.

The art of diversion
Judd Legum

On Sunday, the New York Times obtained Trump’s tax returns, which revealed that he paid just $750 in federal income taxes in 2016 and 2017. But wait, look over there!

Project Veritas, an organization run by right-wing polemicist James O’Keefe, claims it has “UNDENIABLE VIDEO PROOF OF SYSTEMIC VOTER FRAUD.” The right-wing media, including Breitbart, Sean Hannity, and the New York Post, quickly amplified O’Keefe’s explosive claims.

Debunks at least part of O’Keefe’s latest.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:35:45am

re: #150 BeachDem

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:37:33am

re: #154 lawhawk

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“Biden won the debate because of drugs? Then I really want what he’s having.”

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:40:01am

re: #154 lawhawk

How does that theory work? Biden is on drugs which make him a better debater?

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:43:12am

re: #156 Patricia Kayden

How does that theory work? Biden is on drugs which make him a better debater?

Bulkshit in. Bulkshit out. Trump doesn’t care that it makes no sense. But we do know that Trump’s been credibly accused of an adderall addiction and taking other drugs to get through the day. He probably thinks that everyone else takes drugs too, so he’s assuming Biden is taking drugs to perform in public.

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Rightwingconspirator  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:43:48am

There is some news this morning that really is worrisome. Thanks to the hellstorm of Trump, tax revelations, the debate tonight, etc, few are noticing Armenia and Azerbaijan are at war. So far not full scale but Turkey may have showdown an Armenian fighter jet and fatalities on both sides. This is as thick as it gets. Turkey backs Azerbaijan. Russia backs Armenia with cordial relations with Azerbaijan as well.
thedrive.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:45:20am

re: #158 Rightwingconspirator

Been following that, only going to strengthen Putin’s position in the region.

And nobody notices the demonstrations that have been going on in Bulgaria for months now against their corrupt regime.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:47:10am

re: #156 Patricia Kayden

How does that theory work? Biden is on drugs which make him a better debater?

This is not the freakn’ Kentucky Derby.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:49:27am

Trump is working for Putin, who pays him.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:51:18am

re: #50 Dr Lizardo

Of course, we’ll have to see how the debate goes between Trump and Biden tonight. If things go poorly for Trump, then privately (spoken only in hushed whispers by the GOP leadership), the “abandon ship” call may well go out.

Politico makes the point that Trump is a far better debater than we think. He doesn’t do the word salad that is customary at his rallies. He can be very coherent when he’s focused on defending himself.

My personal comments (with some input from the article)
He controls the stage, and especially in an environment where fact checking is absent, he is free to make any assertion he wishes. The big difference between now and then is that he is president with a real record, but he does excel at the art of distraction. He is a true and effective demagogue and we underestimate him at our peril.

You cannot defeat him by telling the truth, because the lies are often much more palatable to an undecided or persuadable audience. The coal miners who bought his line that he would bring back the industry did not want to hear Hillary’s cogent presentation of switching to a new career to replace their dying jobs.

My brother has for years mocked people as sheeple, when the true sheeple are people like him who buy into the GOP lies and blot out anything that disproves their fantasies of the world. And Trump is a master at promoting lies that appeal to his audience.

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Teddy's Person ✌  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:51:19am

In addition to being criminal thugs, the Trumps are just weird.

My favorite response.

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piratedan  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:52:01am

re: #78 Shropshire Slasher

always thought Icehouse was a pretty underrated band….

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:52:26am

re: #158 Rightwingconspirator

Saw that last night. Armenia apparently is preventing any fighting age men from leaving the country. They’re gearing up for a conflict, and the ones who benefit? Yeah, the usual suspects in the region: Russia and Turkey.

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Amory Blaine  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:53:40am

Yeah half my income is paying taxes. When I total all told.

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BeachDem  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:54:32am

re: #163 Teddy’s Person ✌

In addition to being criminal thugs, the Trumps are just weird.

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Daniel Dale’s take. (Doesn’t make Eric any less of an asshole, though)

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:55:53am

re: #167 BeachDem

“Look at my LGBT-American!”

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:56:37am

re: #110 mmmirele

McKay Coppins, writing for the Atlantic, has a rather short story about Trump’s general contempt for the religious people who support him. Much of it is in this thread.

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Coppins does not mention on Twitter what he does say at the end of his story, which is that Trump would mock Romney over the sacred undergarments Mormons wear.

The whole thing is disgusting, but, frankly, I’m rather glad that Evangelicals have gone almost all in on Trump, because it shows how completely vacuous and power-hungry that bunch are, to the point where they’d set their own movement on fire.

So what? They don’t care about his contempt. Unlike the wall, he is successfully implementing their dreams of a theocracy and overruling Roe v Wade. He can disparage them all he pleases; they support him wholeheartedly because he is doing their will, regardless of his personal feelings.

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Jay C  Sep 29, 2020 • 8:59:16am

re: #151 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

They wanted to WHAT? What, they think Biden needs to be controlled, that he’s not intelligent enough to demolish Fuckface von Clownstick on his own?

Whether or not they believe it (doubtful) is a moot point: more likely, what they want is for their voter base to believe it.
It’s Trump: smears, lies, insults and personal attacks are what he and his handlers assume (correctly) his “audience” wants to see: Presidential debates as “reality TV” (WWE “smackdown” style): like the NYT exposé has shown: with Trump, the “show”, and its accompanying “ratings”, are the main/only thing he cares about.

However, what’s going to happen when Reality TV meets real Reality has yet to be seen…

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:01:45am

re: #56 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Wingnuts on parade.

Colorado sued over limits on size of religious gatherings during pandemic (Denver Post)

Liberty Counsel sues Gov. Jared Polis over 175-person limit on crowd sizes during pandemic

(more)

We still have John MacArthur doing his biweekly Die-Ins For Jesus at his Pulpit Pimp Palace in the San Fernando Valley.

And it’s packed with brainwashed assholes like this fool:

Trump supporter says God will protect her from COVID at president’s rallies: ‘My faith keeps me from getting sick’

You just keep thinking that as you’re hooked up to a respirator, fool!

rawstory.com

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:02:19am

re: #168 jaunte

“Look at my LGBT-American!”

There are many who support him. I am FB friends with a lesbian couple (who have now separated) who absolutely adore him. One is a true fanatic, one of those white suburban women that buys in completely to his warnings about gangs invading the suburbs and his promotion of hydroxychloroquine. I think she is a kin to the woman profiled in Bret “bedbug” Stephens latest column.

And never forget Peter Thiel.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:03:00am

re: #156 Patricia Kayden

How does that theory work? Biden is on drugs which make him a better debater?

New thing, brain steroids.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:03:07am

re: #153 retired cynic

The art of diversion
Judd Legum

Debunks at least part of O’Keefe’s latest.

That’s a great article, which I sent to Mrs. Fish relating to our earlier conversation. I hadn’t actually read/seen the details of what that slimy little jackass had done until this morning.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:03:31am

re: #172 Hecuba’s daughter

She should see this:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:03:48am

re: #168 jaunte

“Look at my LGBT-American!”

Remember when they came out after the Pulse nightclub shooting and reminded us how much their Islamophobia was only there to support Gay Rights…

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:04:30am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:04:47am

re: #175 jaunte

I was just looking through an insurance underwriting manual from before the ACA. You know what would have gotten you denied individual insurance? Using hydroxychloroquine in the previous 12 months.

reason right there to abolish the ACA wholesale…

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:06:01am

re: #177 jaunte

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Instead, he’s wasting his time up here, trying to sway our undecideds - who hate his guts (last I checked, Biden was +6) and love our governor (58% approval statewide, the only places he’s really lost major support is in Derp Central).

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:09:26am

re: #163 Teddy’s Person ✌

In addition to being criminal thugs, the Trumps are just weird.

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So is Eric saying he’s gay? Wonder how that will go over with the old man.

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:11:34am

re: #173 Eventual Carrion

New thing, brain steroids.

I need some of that. You think it’s a big needle?!

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Decatur Deb  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:12:00am

re: #180 Eventual Carrion

So is Eric saying he’s gay? Wonder how that will go over with the old man.

Boy is sort of translucent, and thinks that counts. Eric confuses easily.

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John Vreeland  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:13:57am
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jaunte  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:14:39am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:16:24am

re: #163 Teddy’s Person ✌

In addition to being criminal thugs, the Trumps are just weird.

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I know many LGBTQ people.

Not a single one of them supports Trump.

Not a ONE.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:17:25am

re: #185 Eclectic Cyborg

I know many gay people.

Not a single one of them supports Trump.

Not a ONE.

I know one, a Log Cabin Republican who just cannot bring himself to back away from his position.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:17:45am

re: #181 Shropshire Slasher

I need some of that. You think it’s a big needle?!

Needs to be to reach into your inner ear to inject it.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:18:33am

re: #185 Eclectic Cyborg

I know many gay people.

Not a single one of them supports Trump.

Not a ONE.

AFAIK there are 2 gay clubs in town. I got one of them to keep a stack of voter registration forms on the bar.

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:19:49am

re: #93 jeffreyw

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Video

Good morning!

Western good morning!

Practicing bobcat avoidance
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garzooma  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:21:03am

re: #165 lawhawk

Saw that last night. Armenia apparently is preventing any fighting age men from leaving the country. They’re gearing up for a conflict, and the ones who benefit? Yeah, the usual suspects in the region: Russia and Turkey.

Biden is pointing at Turkey:

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:22:21am

re: #151 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

They wanted to WHAT? What, they think Biden needs to be controlled, that he’s not intelligent enough to demolish Fuckface von Clownstick on his own?

That is what they want voters to think. They want the media to treat their outrageous accusations as though they are made in good faith.

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:25:00am

re: #99 A Mom Anon

This isn’t very popular, but I believe there should be a cap on personal wealth. 50 million is a fair number. After that, all the money needs to go back into the business, to the employees. From the lowest paid first, and move up from there. Any other money not needed to run the business should be put into actual pensions. If you can’t live a life well on 50 million bucks, your problem ain’t a lack of money.

I have come to the point that I now support a Maximum Wage tied to 80% of the salary of the President. If you can’t make ends meet on $320,000 per year, tighten your belt.

I also support giving the SEC control on corporate executive salaries, tying them to pay for performance and limiting it to no more than 10X the salary of the average corporate employee up to the $320K cap.

It’s also time to restore the Inheritance tax to pre-Reagan levels.

And it’s time to eliminate golden parachutes for corporate pimps.

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Jay C  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:25:26am

Well, here’s some unfortunate news: turns out that while widespread concerns over the accuracy of mail-in voting are probably enormously over-hyped: the system is - like most human-designed-and-operated things - prone to errors: absentee-ballot voters in Brooklyn have been “deluged” with erroneous ballots. (NYT)

The problems seem, basically, to be:
1) the addresses: many voters have been getting ballots addressed to the wrong person. (wrong-voter ballots are immediately invalidated)
2) the source of the problem has been traced to the vendor - a printing plant in Rochester (supposed a regular contractor, “no comment”: on the errors this time round)
3) the Brooklyn Board Of Elections has been so swamped with questions/complaints that they seem to have been paralyzed.
4) time is VERY short to get these issues corrected.

I had a momentary panic when I recall already mailing off Mrs. Jay’s ballot last week, but I do recall that her name was correct on all the correspondence, so I feel better. For now.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:25:52am

Ucch, this thread.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:26:14am

re: #186 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I know one, a Log Cabin Republican who just cannot bring himself to back away from his position.

And let’s not forget Richard Grenell. Gays can be just as racist and greedy as those of us who are straight.

But I do have to say that I have been pleasantly surprised by the latest from our “good” friend Andrew Sullivan who has temporarily lifted himself from the muck to give a full and whole hearted endorsement of Biden.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:26:51am

re: #193 Jay C

Well, here’s some unfortunate news: turns out that while widespread concerns over the accuracy of mail-in voting are probably enormously over-hyped: the system is - like most human-designed-and-operated things - prone to errors: absentee-ballot voters in Brooklyn have been “deluged” with erroneous ballots. (NYT)

The problems seem, basically, to be:
1) the addresses: many voters have been getting ballots addressed to the wrong person. (wrong-voter ballots are immediately invalidated)
2) the source of the problem has been traced to the vendor - a printing plant in Rochester (supposed a regular contractor, “no comment”: on the errors this time round)
3) the Brooklyn Board Of Elections has been so swamped with questions/complaints that they seem to have been paralyzed.
4) time is VERY short to get these issues corrected.

I had a momentary panic when I recall already mailing off Mrs. Jay’s ballot last week, but I do recall that her name was correct on all the correspondence, so I feel better. For now.

Seems like a mighty convenient “error” to me.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:26:53am

re: #194 The Pie Overlord!

Ucch, this thread.

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Why is it, every time, that someone invariably finds a way to blame the Jews for all the world’s problems? God damn it, people, this is why we can’t have nice things.

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:30:28am

re: #185 Eclectic Cyborg

I know many LGBTQ people.

Not a single one of them supports Trump.

Not a ONE.

Unfortunately I know several LGBTQ’s who DO support Trump.

Their selfishness TRUMPS everything else.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:30:52am

re: #191 NO SMOCKING GUN!

That is what they want voters to think. They want the media to treat their outrageous accusations as though they are made in good faith.

While obvious, good-faith observations are treated as outrageous accusations, like pointing out how many of Trump’s closest associates and advisors have pleaded guilty or been convicted of various crimes or pointing out how Trump profits directly from violations of the Emoluments clause and various other clear conflicts of interest.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:31:49am

re: #196 Eclectic Cyborg

Seems like a mighty convenient “error” to me.

It’s Brooklyn, so there isn’t anyway this can benefit Trump.

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Jay C  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:32:10am

re: #185 Eclectic Cyborg

I know many LGBTQ people.

Not a single one of them supports Trump.

Not a ONE.

I have a feeling Eric Trump’s big groundswell of gay Trump supporters is along the lines of those “big strong guys” who come up to thank Trump for saving the country “with tears in their eyes”. I’m guessing, also, there is a significant overlap in those two groups: and a MINIMAL overlap with demographic reality.

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:33:16am

re: #194 The Pie Overlord!

Ucch, this thread.

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I remembered this from yesterday:

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:33:16am

re: #193 Jay C

Well, here’s some unfortunate news: turns out that while widespread concerns over the accuracy of mail-in voting are probably enormously over-hyped: the system is - like most human-designed-and-operated things - prone to errors: absentee-ballot voters in Brooklyn have been “deluged” with erroneous ballots. (NYT)

The problems seem, basically, to be:
1) the addresses: many voters have been getting ballots addressed to the wrong person. (wrong-voter ballots are immediately invalidated)
2) the source of the problem has been traced to the vendor - a printing plant in Rochester (supposed a regular contractor, “no comment”: on the errors this time round)
3) the Brooklyn Board Of Elections has been so swamped with questions/complaints that they seem to have been paralyzed.
4) time is VERY short to get these issues corrected.

I had a momentary panic when I recall already mailing off Mrs. Jay’s ballot last week, but I do recall that her name was correct on all the correspondence, so I feel better. For now.

Brooklyn NY has more than 2 million residents. By itself, it’s larger than 14 states. There’s an enormous strain on resources to get this right. It’s the same reason that there were also long lines in 2018 and 2016 elections - high turnout and inadequate polling places.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:33:19am

re: #200 NO SMOCKING GUN!

It’s Brooklyn, so there isn’t anyway this can benefit Trump.

any irregularities in mail-in voting support his assertions that it is all a scandal and sham

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:34:56am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:35:04am

re: #192 🌹UOJB!

I have come to the point that I now support a Maximum Wage tied to 80% of the salary of the President. If you can’t make ends meet on $320,000 per year, tighten your belt.

I also support giving the SEC control on corporate executive salaries, tying them to pay for performance and limiting it to no more than 10X the salary of the average corporate employee up to the $320K cap.

It’s also time to restore the Inheritance tax to pre-Reagan levels.

And it’s time to eliminate golden parachutes for corporate pimps.

Can’t agree. I have no problem with people making huge amounts of money, as long as they pay huge amounts of taxes. I mean, if a baseball player’s maximum pay is $320k, the only ones who benefit are the billionaires who own the teams.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:38:51am

Trump is in a money disappearing business - which makes sense if you view his golf businesses as a money laundering effort. He loans himself money, claims to spend all that money on something, and claims the asset is worth all the money he spent. But when you match up the loan to the asset, there’s no way that it covers what was done (if anything was done at all).

It’s all a sham. It’s money laundering and financial crimes.

Tax fraud is the least of his worries - and Trumpworld needs to worry about prosecution by foreign countries too…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:40:52am

Trading in any asset whose value is largely intangible, subjective and not necessarily inherent (anything from art to antiques to racehorses to real estate) leave a lot of fudge room for money laundering as well.

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:41:00am

re: #195 Hecuba’s daughter

And let’s not forget Richard Grenell. Gays can be just as racist and greedy as those of us who are straight.

Don’t forget Peter Thiel…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:42:19am

re: #209 🌹UOJB!

Don’t forget Peter Thiel…

Glenn Greenwald

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:43:25am

I wonder how eager some in Trumps circle will be to take proverbial bullets for dear leader now that they know he’s broke AF.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:44:58am

re: #211 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder how eager some in Trumps circle will be to take proverbial bullets for dear leader now that they know he’s broke AF.

If they know that they too could face prosecution as accessories or accomplices? They’ll sooner turn state’s evidence than take one for Trump.

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A Mom Anon  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:45:29am

re: #197 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

And why is it there seems to be little mention of large churches filled to capacity on Sundays? Evangelical churches seem to be ignoring any warning about masks and crowds. It’s just really stupid to blame “teh Jewwwwws!” for this. Any religious indoor or or outdoor gathering with no masks and distancing is just stupid. It’s not the religion that’s the problem, it’s the dumbasses who reject medical advice and science.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:46:23am

re: #211 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder how eager some in Trumps circle will be to take proverbial bullets for dear leader now that they know he’s broke AF.

If Trump succeeds in clinging to power, there will be no limit to the amount of money he can steal.

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Jay C  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:46:25am

re: #204 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

any irregularities in mail-in voting support his assertions that it is all a scandal and sham

Yes, like his hyperventilating over “voter fraud” in Paterson NJ in their primary in (?)April* - local election, local problems, and no evidence of “fraud” per se, but Trump hyped it up like it was something Boss Tweed had connived.

*Can’t recall the exact details, but it was a local election (primary?) where something like 30% of mailed-in ballots had to be rejected due to various technical errors (wrong signatures, wrong envelopes, late postmarks, etc.). Now this is certainly a problem, and a serious one, since the votes on those rejected ballot weren’t counted; but hardly the evidence of widespread “scam” King Orangeanus and his idiots want to try to make us believe.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:46:48am

re: #213 A Mom Anon

And why is it there seems to be little mention of large churches filled to capacity on Sundays? Evangelical churches seem to be ignoring any warning about masks and crowds. It’s just really stupid to blame “teh Jewwwwws!” for this. Any religious indoor or or outdoor gathering with no masks and distancing is just stupid. It’s not the religion that’s the problem, it’s the dumbasses who reject medical advice and science.

and online donations are traceable. cash in the collection plate is there at God’s direct disposal…

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:47:40am

re: #213 A Mom Anon

And why is it there seems to be little mention of large churches filled to capacity on Sundays? Evangelical churches seem to be ignoring any warning about masks and crowds. It’s just really stupid to blame “teh Jewwwwws!” for this. Any religious indoor or or outdoor gathering with no masks and distancing is just stupid. It’s not the religion that’s the problem, it’s the dumbasses who reject medical advice and science.

Just like the Raw Story link I posted above. Evangelicals are brainwashed to the point that they believe Jesus will protect them from COVID. Oh and when they are hooked up to the respirator their families will say that God’s calling them home…

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garzooma  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:52:54am

re: #158 Rightwingconspirator

There is some news this morning that really is worrisome. Thanks to the hellstorm of Trump, tax revelations, the debate tonight, etc, few are noticing Armenia and Azerbaijan are at war. So far not full scale but Turkey may have showdown an Armenian fighter jet and fatalities on both sides. This is as thick as it gets. Turkey backs Azerbaijan. Russia backs Armenia with cordial relations with Azerbaijan as well.
thedrive.com

Adam Schiff posted a statement on Facebook:

Overnight, Azerbaijan launched the largest attack in years on Artsakh, and early reports suggest there have been significant casualties. The United States must urgently work with other members of the Minsk Group to restore peace and prevent any further escalation which will endanger more lives.
This attack comes just months after a serious military exchange with Armenia along the international border. The aggression by Azerbaijan represents the failure of a policy of false equivalence that has looked the other way from Azerbaijan’s bellicose rhetoric and constant attacks. I have introduced legislation that would require U.S. intelligence agencies to assess who initiated this and other skirmishes, a necessary step to hold Azerbaijan accountable.

The legislation he mentions appears to be Sec. 822 of H.R.7856 - Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2021. It includes the following:

(2) A description of all significant uses of force in and around the Nagorno-Karabakh region and the border between Armenia and Azerbaijan during calendar year 2020, including a description of each significant use of force and an assessment of who initiated the use of such force.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:54:03am

re: #202 Belafon

I remembered this from yesterday:

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I already had to block 2 people from that thread (also tagged @AntiSemitismCow). I am surprised at Chris Evans tho for RTing these Anti-Semites.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:56:10am

re: #215 Jay C

Yes, like his hyperventilating over “voter fraud” in Paterson NJ in their primary in (?)April* - local election, local problems, and no evidence of “fraud” per se, but Trump hyped it up like it was something Boss Tweed had connived.

*Can’t recall the exact details, but it was a local election (primary?) where something like 30% of mailed-in ballots had to be rejected due to various technical errors (wrong signatures, wrong envelopes, late postmarks, etc.). Now this is certainly a problem, and a serious one, since the votes on those rejected ballot weren’t counted; but hardly the evidence of widespread “scam” King Orangeanus and his idiots want to try to make us believe.

Here’s the facts. NJ law requires that ballots be returned individually. A bundler can group no more than 3 ballots together. Any ballots in Paterson that were bundled are suspect and were caught by the election officials. That prevents the kind of voter fraud Trump alleges. Several Paterson officials were charged with voter fraud.

The Passaic County Board of Elections rejected 3,190 ballots, about 19% of the mail-in ballots submitted, for the May 12 election in Paterson, but it is unclear how many were connected to the fraud allegations.

In fact, there are many more common reasons for a ballot to be thrown out, such as a signature that doesn’t match election records or if the ballot was received after the deadline.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:58:50am
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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 29, 2020 • 9:59:31am
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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:02:27am
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Dr Lizardo  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:08:56am

re: #223 The Pie Overlord!

is… is… is joe biden the terminator?

He’s a T-888! Like Cromartie!

T S.C.C. Cromartie vs FBI Team

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:09:19am

re: #219 The Pie Overlord!

I already had to block 2 people from that thread (also tagged @AntiSemitismCow). I am surprised at Chris Evans tho for RTing these Anti-Semites.

All these people trying to turn it into “The Jews are causing it” need to explain Hermain Cain and Sturgiss.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:10:00am

Life comes at you fast:

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:10:07am

re: #223 The Pie Overlord!

Someone should make sure Charles Xavier isn’t in the audience.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:12:45am

re: #227 Belafon

Someone should make sure Charles Xavier isn’t in the audience.

Cerebro makes that impossible to know for sure. /who’s watching the watchers…

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:13:46am

re: #221 The Pie Overlord!

And let’s talk about churches and weddings.

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Mike Lamb  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:14:30am

re: #226 lawhawk

Life comes at you fast:

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Holy shit. Not that we really needed any more evidence that this entire Flynn ordeal was corrupt from top to bottom, but holy shit.

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:14:42am

re: #227 Belafon

Someone should make sure Charles Xavier isn’t in the audience.

Trump: No one in a wheelchair should be allowed in. They might psychically communicate with Biden.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:19:12am

re: #225 Belafon

All these people trying to turn it into “The Jews are causing it” need to explain Hermain Cain and Sturgiss.

Also the places where COVID is spreading the fastest have few to no Jews living there.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:25:49am

re: #223 The Pie Overlord!

They might as well surrender at this point.

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Sherlock Hound  Sep 29, 2020 • 10:39:05am

re: #223 The Pie Overlord!

It isn’t like Trump was wearing a wire at the Clinton debates.
////

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 29, 2020 • 12:26:14pm

re: #183 John Vreeland

Twitter poll. What country will Trump flee to when his term is over?

Russia or Israel. He’s popular in both.


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