The Stephen Colbert Interview: President Barack Obama Shares His Frustrations About the White House’s Failed Pandemic Response

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President Barack Obama is frustrated by the “shambolic nature of the government response” to the pandemic, but he has high hopes for America under the incoming Biden-Harris administration. Stick around for Part 2 and Part 3 of Stephen Colbert’s in-depth interview with the iconic former president. President Obama’s new book, “A Promised Land,” is available everywhere now. #Colbert #PresidentObama #BarackObama

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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 25, 2020 • 10:32:46am

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prairiefire  Nov 25, 2020 • 10:34:46am

Adults! Adulting!

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lawhawk  Nov 25, 2020 • 10:35:44am

Obama apparently should have had an anger translator to get his point across all these years. Because people didn’t take his well considered words seriously enough. They confused rational thought and well-considered words to be aloof.

Obama’s Anger Management Translator Speaks the Truth

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 25, 2020 • 10:37:00am
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Belafon  Nov 25, 2020 • 10:37:58am
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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 25, 2020 • 10:40:28am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 25, 2020 • 10:41:03am

I never in my life thought I’d be this excited at the prospect of a functioning government.

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A Mom Anon  Nov 25, 2020 • 10:43:13am

Once in awhile I come across something that makes me feel ok about my kid,my role as his mom and his friends (mid to late 20s):

I heard my son talking to one of his friends before dinner last night. All his close friends are on the autism spectrum and all of them are metalheads who LOVE live music. The pandemic has been hard on their mental health but they seem to be doing a pretty good job of checking in with each other and sometimes doing safe visits here at our house. Anyway, the kid was talking about the vaccines and said he was going to drag his friends to the doctor or wherever to get them when they become available. Because the more of them that get it, the safer concerts and shows will be. His buddy was scared about the vaccine (his parents are wingnuts)and my son said, “Dude, my mom told me that when we knew for sure that this was going to be safe, the whole family is getting the shots. My mom wouldn’t let us get the damned things if she was worried about safety. She goes by what doctors and scientists say, not that fucking moron in the White House”. Heh. I raised such a good son, lol.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 25, 2020 • 10:44:33am

re: #3 lawhawk

So I see Twitterers are huffing and puffing about Obama saying something abour religious Hispanics…

I still think that the tenuous coalition in the Democratic party is fragile enough that calling out fundamentalists (of any ancestry or culture) is risky.

Which is why Biden and Harris didn’t do such in the run up to the election.

But Obama has always been spot on with the bibles-and-guns analysis.

And this makes some people uncomfortable.

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dangerman  Nov 25, 2020 • 10:44:53am

re: #8 A Mom Anon

Once in awhile I come across something that makes me feel ok about my kid,my role as his mom and his friends (mid to late 20s):

I heard my son talking to one of his friends before dinner last night. All his close friends are on the autism spectrum and all of them are metalheads who LOVE live music. The pandemic has been hard on their mental health but they seem to be doing a pretty good job of checking in with each other and sometimes doing safe visits here at our house. Anyway, the kid was talking about the vaccines and said he was going to drag his friends to the doctor or wherever to get them when they become available. Because the more of them that get it, the safer concerts and shows will be. His buddy was scared about the vaccine (his parents are wingnuts)and my son said, “Dude, my mom told me that when we knew for sure that this was going to be safe, the whole family is getting the shots. My mom wouldn’t let us get the damned things if she was worried about safety. She goes by what doctors and scientists say, not that fucking moron in the White House”. Heh. I raised such a good son, lol.

Extra slice of raisin pie for that dude

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 25, 2020 • 10:45:09am

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

I never in my life thought I’d be this excited at the prospect of a functioning government.

And daily boredom. I am craving boredom.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 25, 2020 • 10:45:13am

re: #8 A Mom Anon

Once in awhile I come across something that makes me feel ok about my kid,my role as his mom and his friends (mid to late 20s):

I heard my son talking to one of his friends before dinner last night. All his close friends are on the autism spectrum and all of them are metalheads who LOVE live music. The pandemic has been hard on their mental health but they seem to be doing a pretty good job of checking in with each other and sometimes doing safe visits here at our house. Anyway, the kid was talking about the vaccines and said he was going to drag his friends to the doctor or wherever to get them when they become available. Because the more of them that get it, the safer concerts and shows will be. His buddy was scared about the vaccine (his parents are wingnuts)and my son said, “Dude, my mom told me that when we knew for sure that this was going to be safe, the whole family is getting the shots. My mom wouldn’t let us get the damned things if she was worried about safety. She goes by what doctors and scientists say, not that fucking moron in the White House”. Heh. I raised such a good son, lol.

Yes you did! Great that he is helping to spread the word. We need more of this.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 25, 2020 • 10:48:03am

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

I never in my life thought I’d be this excited at the prospect of a functioning government.

According to Greenwald, that makes you a Dem cheerleader with no interest in holding Biden accountable.

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teleskiguy  Nov 25, 2020 • 10:50:38am
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teleskiguy  Nov 25, 2020 • 10:51:06am
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thedopefishlives  Nov 25, 2020 • 10:51:27am

re: #13 Mike Lamb

According to Greenwald, that makes you a Dem cheerleader with no interest in holding Biden accountable.

If Biden’s government is dysfunctional, I will absolutely call him out on it. I have no expectation that this will happen, because Biden, unlike our Dear Leader, is not an idiot.

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dangerman  Nov 25, 2020 • 10:51:38am

re: #13 Mike Lamb

According to Greenwald, that makes you a Dem cheerleader with no interest in holding Biden accountable.

Let’s let him do something first then we can see about “accountability”

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dangerman  Nov 25, 2020 • 10:53:35am

re: #14 teleskiguy

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Remember the little people….

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teleskiguy  Nov 25, 2020 • 10:58:43am
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dangerman  Nov 25, 2020 • 10:58:45am
President-elect Joe Biden downplayed the prospect of pursuing investigations of President Trump after he leaves office, USA Today reports.

Said Biden: “I will not do what this president does and use the Justice Department as my vehicle to insist that something happened.”

Leaving it to the doj

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marcusgorillius  Nov 25, 2020 • 10:59:01am

Last night my dog Roxy, a chweenie, had a stroke and had to be put down. My constant companion for 15 years. To me and my wife she was the perfect dog. So lucky to have her for the time we did. JC this hurts. 2020 can’t end soon enough.

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dangerman  Nov 25, 2020 • 10:59:33am

re: #19 teleskiguy

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And they’re not “hearings”

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thedopefishlives  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:00:05am

re: #20 dangerman

Leaving it to the doj

He didn’t downplay pursuing investigations; he downplayed personally requesting investigations. The DOJ will be free to do as it sees fit with regard to the former President*, and depending on who gets the chair vacated by the late not-so-great William Barr, they could do almost anything…

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A Mom Anon  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:00:56am

re: #21 marcusgorillius

Oh no, I am so sorry. How awful. Wishing you comfort and good memories of Roxy’s love and companionship for the last 15 yrs. Sending you love and hugs too. RIP good doggo.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:01:03am

re: #21 marcusgorillius

Last night my dog Roxy, a chweenie, had a stroke and had to be put down. My constant companion for 15 years. To me and my wife she was the perfect dog. So lucky to have her for the time we did. JC this hurts. 2020 can’t end soon enough.

{{{marcusgorillius}}}

Haven’t seen you around much, but I’m sorry to hear the news all the same. My sympathies.

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dangerman  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:01:41am

re: #23 thedopefishlives

He didn’t downplay pursuing investigations; he downplayed personally requesting investigations. The DOJ will be free to do as it sees fit with regard to the former President*, and depending on who gets the chair vacated by the late not-so-great William Barr, they could do almost anything…

Spot on

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dangerman  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:02:54am

re: #23 thedopefishlives

He didn’t downplay pursuing investigations; he downplayed personally requesting investigations. The DOJ will be free to do as it sees fit with regard to the former President*, and depending on who gets the chair vacated by the late not-so-great William Barr, they could do almost anything…

Should tell us all we need to know

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makeitstop  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:03:15am

re: #21 marcusgorillius

So sorry to hear. Good puppy, Roxy.

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A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:04:15am

re: #21 marcusgorillius

Last night my dog Roxy, a chweenie, had a stroke and had to be put down. My constant companion for 15 years. To me and my wife she was the perfect dog. So lucky to have her for the time we did. JC this hurts. 2020 can’t end soon enough.

{{{marcusgorillius}}}

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:04:29am

re: #11 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

And daily boredom. I am craving boredom.

Yasss. Bring on the precedented times!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:05:27am

Nobody cares, foul pumpkin man.

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Teddy's Person ✌  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:05:28am

re: #21 marcusgorillius

Last night my dog Roxy, a chweenie, had a stroke and had to be put down. My constant companion for 15 years. To me and my wife she was the perfect dog. So lucky to have her for the time we did. JC this hurts. 2020 can’t end soon enough.

I’m sorry for your loss. May 15 years of Roxy memories provide comfort in your grief.

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garzooma  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:06:31am

re: #27 dangerman

Should tell us all we need to know

We’ll still need what Josh Marshall calls an audit of the Executive Branch, to uncover non-criminal malfeasance.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:06:41am

re: #21 marcusgorillius

Last night my dog Roxy, a chweenie, had a stroke and had to be put down. My constant companion for 15 years. To me and my wife she was the perfect dog. So lucky to have her for the time we did. JC this hurts. 2020 can’t end soon enough.

Ughhh. Sorry to hear that. A picture of my dog came up in my social media memories. He passed away on July 1. I miss the hell out of him.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:08:57am

re: #31 Eclectic Cyborg

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Nobody cares, foul pumpkin man.

It’s the only network left after Newsmax called the election for Biden and now all the snowflakes are abandoning ship. LOL.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:09:24am

re: #20 dangerman

Leaving it to the doj

As he should.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:10:50am

re: #21 marcusgorillius

Last night my dog Roxy, a chweenie, had a stroke and had to be put down. My constant companion for 15 years. To me and my wife she was the perfect dog. So lucky to have her for the time we did. JC this hurts. 2020 can’t end soon enough.

I am so very sorry for your loss. 💔

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:12:03am

re: #21 marcusgorillius

My deepest sympathy to you and your family on your very sad loss.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:13:52am

re: #21 marcusgorillius

(((marcusgorillius)))

Too much of that going around of late.

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lawhawk  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:15:57am

re: #31 Eclectic Cyborg

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:19:35am

re: #35 thedopefishlives

It’s the only network left after Newsmax called the election for Biden and now all the snowflakes are abandoning ship. LOL.

Technically have they called the election? — Didn’t they just call the key states that certified Biden as winner? Are they actually saying that Biden is President-Elect or are they holding out hope that the results could be de-certified?

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thedopefishlives  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:21:08am

re: #41 Hecuba’s daughter

Technically have they called the election? — Didn’t they just call the key states that certified Biden as winner? Are they actually saying that Biden is President-Elect or are they holding out hope that the results could be de-certified?

I just remember seeing a thread somewhere of a bunch of snowflakes who said they would leave Newsmax for OANN after the states were called. I didn’t read the details of what Newsmax actually said.

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A hollow voice says,1st round on points. Onward!  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:23:48am

Covid treatments: another approach. This one is a nasal spray for short-term protection.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:32:32am

re: #42 thedopefishlives

I just remember seeing a thread somewhere of a bunch of snowflakes who said they would leave Newsmax for OANN after the states were called. I didn’t read the details of what Newsmax actually said.

Looks like they are saying that they won’t call it until all states have certified their results, but at least they are opposed to legislatures selecting alternative slates of electors. If Trump had conceded, they certainly would have called it by now but they are trying to go along with his absurd claims as long as they can.

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jaunte  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:34:34am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:35:59am

re: #42 thedopefishlives

I just remember seeing a thread somewhere of a bunch of snowflakes who said they would leave Newsmax for OANN after the states were called. I didn’t read the details of what Newsmax actually said.

They said Biden won PA, MI, GA, Etc.

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:36:57am

re: #8 A Mom Anon

Awesome!
Congrats on the great childrearing!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:38:49am

re: #42 thedopefishlives

I just remember seeing a thread somewhere of a bunch of snowflakes who said they would leave Newsmax for OANN after the states were called. I didn’t read the details of what Newsmax actually said.

Makes you wonder what they’ll do when OANN finally calls it.

Just not watch news anymore?

/

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jaunte  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:39:37am
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jaunte  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:43:23am
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jaunte  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:44:48am

Mr. Wrong!

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jaunte  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:46:49am
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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:47:24am

re: #19 teleskiguy

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Belafon  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:48:57am

re: #49 jaunte

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jaunte  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:49:12am

Trump doesn’t give a shit if his unstable supporters start killing people over his fraudulent claims.

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jaunte  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:50:16am
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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:50:25am

My grandchildren would tell me to go to hell if I tried to feed them Jim’s re-constituted sawdust meal.

Televangelist Jim Bakker: Buy My Pancake Mix Or Your Grandkids Go To Hell

Hard sell: Weeping televangelist Jim Bakker warns viewers that if they don’t buy his pancake mix their grandchildren will go to Hell.

An emotional Bakker went on a tear-filled rant begging his audience to buy buckets of his End Times survival food, warning that the grandchildren of his audience members would face eternal damnation unless they called a 1-888 phone number so they could send him $60 (plus shipping) for a bucket of pancake mix.

Bakker, deeply concerned that President Trump would be killed by Democrats, declared:

If they kill our president or they destroy him or whatever, if we elect the other side. This is it. I think maybe Trump is here to give us time to get ready because all hell is going to break loose.

We’re not going to have the Antichrist show up to get the sign of the Mark of the Beast on our forehead or hand, it won’t happen without hunger. Hunger is going to be the main thing. Most people don’t get it, they don’t want to get it, but that is why I am so obsessed with you all being prepared.

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John Hughes  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:50:48am

re: #20 dangerman

Leaving it to the doj

One of the many things that annoys me in films is the way orders are given: “do this, do that, then do that”.

Real bosses just say what has to be achieved, real underlings then do the necessary things to achieve the goal.

Biden: the law should be obeyed. By everyone.

Doj: ok boss.

Result: criminals are investigated, tried, convicted and punished.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:50:51am

re: #55 jaunte

Trump doesn’t give a shit if his unstable supporters start killing people over his fraudulent claims.

No, quite the opposite - that would be a bonus, actually. He wants to start a race war because it makes it easier for him to claim LAWN ORDER and declare himself President-for-life.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:51:27am

Just notified that a long-term coworker, a Navy Signals vet, has died in a nursing home in VA. They had been locked down for months. He was on a sister-ship to USS Liberty.

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jaunte  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:54:09am
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jaunte  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:55:22am
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thedopefishlives  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:56:36am

The Republicans have been alleging “millions of fraudulent ballots” since at least the corrupt Democratic city administration of Richard J. Daley. They have yet to show substantive evidence that this has ever happened in any federal election in any consequential amount, let alone the “millions” that they have been claiming.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:57:04am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:58:08am
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lawhawk  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:59:49am

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

Those two fucknuts are indicted and spewing this frivolous claims - Burkman claims to be a lawyer, though apparently of the Trump/Twitter U variety. The state bar association should take a closer look at his misconduct.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2020 • 11:59:50am

re: #62 jaunte

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:00:08pm

They all take credit for Obama/Biden’s works.

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jaunte  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:01:44pm

re: #67 Backwoods_Sleuth

“The evidence is pouring in now as we speak!”

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EPR-radar  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:02:06pm

re: #68 Dread Pirate Ron

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They all take credit for Obama/Biden’s works.

Of course, because they have done no work of their own.

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jaunte  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:02:33pm

The con goes on forever and the grifting never ends.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:04:06pm

good fucking grief

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:04:54pm

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Thanksgiving eve request comes nearly a month after U.S. District Judge Victor Marrero’s ruling found that the National Coalition on Black Civic Participation (NCBCP) would likely prove that Wohl and Burkman violated the Voting Rights Act and Ku Klux Klan Act.

On top of facing felony criminal charges in Ohio and Michigan, Wohl and Burkman face civil charges in the Southern District of New York over the same scare-mongering robocalls that a federal judge found to be both false and illegal.

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lizardofid  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:06:29pm

re: #71 jaunte

The con goes on forever and the grifting never ends.

REK?

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thedopefishlives  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:06:42pm

re: #71 jaunte

The con goes on forever and the grifting never ends.

This is the con that doesn’t end,
Yes it goes on and on, my friends!
Some people started funding it not knowing what it was,
And they’ll keep funding forever and forever just because!

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piratedan  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:06:46pm

have to really enjoy the political calculus being played here by the GOP itself. They know that Trump has lost, will privately admit that its so, but will keep publicly quiet on the off chance that something absurd happens, say a Biden assassination, a disaffected Democrat finally goes off the rails and starts shooting GOP politicians igniting a civil war opportunity, something…. that can be used as a political fulcrum (say another liberal scotus member dying).

WE care about the nation in and of itself, understand the process, the debate of ideas in public, common good, civil rights, opportunity, the ideal of what America can be… These guys in the GOP, none of that matters to them at all, as long as they are in charge. They will change the rules, lie about the rules, move goalposts and Calvinball the absolute shit out of everything as long as they get to be in charge.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:07:19pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:09:31pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:10:01pm

Fun fact: NO SINGLE JUDGE anywhere in the United States has the unilateral power to turn over the election.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:10:20pm

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

My shocked face, etc, etc.

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retired cynic  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:10:23pm

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

well, well, well, surprise, surprise, surprise!

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:11:43pm

re: #49 jaunte

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Because it is all for an audience of ONE

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:11:44pm
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retired cynic  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:12:27pm

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

Holy F*ckin’ Cow!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:14:06pm

re: #84 retired cynic

Holy F*ckin’ Cow!

pretty sure it was trump spawn doing that

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IngisKahn  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:15:00pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:15:41pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:18:02pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:18:18pm
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Patricia Kayden  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:18:33pm

re: #46 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

They said Biden won PA, MI, GA, Etc.

So they reported the truth. Alright then.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:19:10pm

re: #87 Backwoods_Sleuth

Never too early for Christmas.

Lots and lots of Christmas music new on Youtube… I try to resist… but I’m giving in.

Speaking of which, there seems to be a dearth of religious recording being pushed this Christmas. I mean relative to some prior years. There’s a definite feeling I get when I peruse online sites, as well that I get when I’m at the (necessary) stores I visit.

This is not an ordinary Christmas.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:19:34pm

re: #21 marcusgorillius

{{{{{{{{{{marcus}}}}}}}}}}

Losing a pet is no different from losing any other loved one.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:19:40pm

re: #76 piratedan

have to really enjoy the political calculus being played here by the GOP itself. They know that Trump has lost, will privately admit that its so, but will keep publicly quiet on the off chance that something absurd happens, say a Biden assassination, a disaffected Democrat finally goes off the rails and starts shooting GOP politicians igniting a civil war opportunity, something…. that can be used as a political fulcrum (say another liberal scotus member dying).

WE care about the nation in and of itself, understand the process, the debate of ideas in public, common good, civil rights, opportunity, the ideal of what America can be… These guys in the GOP, none of that matters to them at all, as long as they are in charge. They will change the rules, lie about the rules, move goalposts and Calvinball the absolute shit out of everything as long as they get to be in charge.

Two excellent reads. From politico no less.

politico.com

politico.com

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:20:19pm

JS Bach was born a couple of centuries too early for Christmas to be the social marketing thing it is today, but I bet he’d be pumping out Christmas tune after tune.

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retired cynic  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:20:52pm

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:22:03pm

(Now imagining Bach creating every possible variation on Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer….)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:22:39pm
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retired cynic  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:23:11pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

JC

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:23:49pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:25:51pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:26:38pm

One thing is very clear this Christmas is that many Americans don’t have the disposable income they had in prior years.

I wonder how Black Friday sales will fare.

The upper income brackets for the most part appear to be doing fine. The very richest are doing great. We see that in the luxury house sales in this county. But the median house sales are very tight, the price only held up because there are so very few houses on the market.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:27:59pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:28:07pm

“We’re at war with the virus, not with one another, not with each other.”

It’s a nice sentiment and it’s probably what Biden needs to be saying. But it’s simply not true. The people who voted for Trump are absolutely at war with everyone who didn’t. That’s just an obvious reality.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:29:16pm

There have been fewer houses on the market here in San Diego county than there have been for many years.

The entire housing sector of the economy is limping along. Since this sector is the one that has been more important as manufacturing has declined, the reality is our economy is suffering.

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Teddy's Person ✌  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:31:42pm

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Trump and any Republican I might encounter would be damn lucky if I treated them like I treat Teddy.

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:32:34pm

re: #21 marcusgorillius

Last night my dog Roxy, a chweenie, had a stroke and had to be put down. My constant companion for 15 years. To me and my wife she was the perfect dog. So lucky to have her for the time we did. JC this hurts. 2020 can’t end soon enough.

So sorry. My condolences to you and everybody else who loved her. She was obviously lucky too, to have spent 15 years being loved on.

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nines09  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:37:03pm

re: #21 marcusgorillius

It always hurts. But you would have been less without that love. We lost our Cookie this year, and it hurt like none before.
I did not think it was enough time, but my daughter and wife insisted and we found our Cooper.
And it is a good thing.

{{{{hug}}}}

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:37:38pm

Joe Biden wants Brexit deal done quickly as he aims to rebuild ‘coalition of the West’

Allies of Joe Biden have made clear that he expects to see a Brexit trade deal concluded swiftly as he seeks to rebuild a “coalition of the West” to respond to the growing spectre of China.

I don’t think the egg can be unscrambled.

Both domestically and internationally, I doubt things can return to how they were years ago.

China is China. Big, and still working on centuries old grievances. They are no more evil than the next autocratic government. Just bigger. And I fear that Biden and company are falling for the same old misunderstandings so prevalent in the Anglosphere, that somehow China wants to conquer “the West”. What is clear is that China wants to enforce its will on its neighbors. This is not a new thing. It’s about a 3000 year old thing.

What we need is to be friends to our friends again.

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EPR-radar  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:39:25pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

“We’re at war with the virus, not with one another, not with each other.”

It’s a nice sentiment and it’s probably what Biden needs to be saying. But it’s simply not true. The people who voted for Trump are absolutely at war with everyone who didn’t. That’s just an obvious reality.

It’s fine if Biden says unrealistic things like this — people like their illusions — as long as he puts seekers of justice in charge of DOJ and federal law enforcement and then stays out of their way as they go after the most brazen criminal organization since Al Capone’s mob.

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piratedan  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:45:02pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

and he’s damned if he attempts to say otherwise.

I have no problem with the sentiments he’s professing, in fact they are likely to be needed, but once he actually has the power to govern, I fully hope that he will not turn it into a partisan issue, but a national one. That those who broke the laws get prosecuted for their crimes, you know, normal… will wait and see if we’re allowed to have it I suppose.

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sagehen  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:45:07pm

re: #68 Dread Pirate Ron

Telling that Pompeo’s immediate response when asked about Biden’s renewed commitment to diplomacy and alliances is to claim credit for the coalition against ISIS, which was built by the Obama/Biden team through painstaking US-led diplomacy.

And then they told Turkey to go ahead and kill the Kurds, who did most of the work.

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dangerman  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:46:34pm

re: #89 Charles Johnson

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it changes one thing - makes them look even more pathetic, idiotic, delusional

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:48:05pm

re: #107 nines09

It always hurts. But you would have been less without that love. We lost our Cookie this year, and it hurt like none before.
I did not think it was enough time, but my daughter and wife insisted and we found our Cooper.
And it is a good thing.

{{{{hug}}}}

When I lost my puppy, Joy, I cried non-stop for two months. I have no children and it felt to me like I lost a child. I was devastated.

I got a puppy two months later for all the wrong reasons, to maybe stop crying, and she’s the light of my life.

It went against everything you’re supposed to do. I wasn’t looking to replace Joy, I was looking for comfort.

There’s no right or wrong. You do what is right for you at whatever time is right for you.

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EPR-radar  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:48:46pm

re: #112 dangerman

At this rate, we really will get treated to video of Trump being physically ejected from White House premises as a trespasser.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:49:37pm

re: #114 EPR-radar

At this rate, we really will get treated to video of Trump being physically ejected from White House premises as a trespasser.

It’s what I’m asking Santa for this year.

:P

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:50:24pm

re: #19 teleskiguy

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dangerman  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:51:37pm

re: #100 Backwoods_Sleuth

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for this year only, I move that a new office is created in opposition to ‘office of the president elect’
i’d like to see ‘office of the outgoing president’. with a logo, seal, stationery, etc.

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EPR-radar  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:52:32pm

re: #117 dangerman

“Office of the Loser”

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dangerman  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:53:03pm

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

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and that treating poll watchers ‘like dogs’ is neither illegal, nor fraudulent, nor ‘proof’ of anything

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:53:17pm

re: #116 🌹UOJB!

JFC. She’s a total whack job.

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:53:58pm
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🌹UOJB!  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:56:07pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:56:32pm

re: #100 Backwoods_Sleuth

The population has grown over 40% during that time — it’s a meaningless comparison. It’s correct to say Biden received the most votes in history but it should be accompanied by a more meaningful statistic —like percent of eligible voters or percent of registered voters. Sigh — people aren’t very good with statistics.

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:58:17pm

re: #71 jaunte

The con goes on forever and the grifting never ends.

I kinda hope nobody beat me to this

The Road Goes On Forever

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:58:40pm
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thedopefishlives  Nov 25, 2020 • 12:58:51pm

re: #123 Hecuba’s daughter

The population has grown over 40% during that time — it’s a meaningless comparison. It’s correct to say Biden received the most votes in history but it should be accompanied by a more meaningful statistic —like percent of eligible voters or percent of registered voters. Sigh — people aren’t very good with statistics.

We were told there would be no math.

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dangerman  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:03:26pm

re: #123 Hecuba’s daughter

The population has grown over 40% during that time — it’s a meaningless comparison. It’s correct to say Biden received the most votes in history but it should be accompanied by a more meaningful statistic —like percent of eligible voters or percent of registered voters. Sigh — people aren’t very good with statistics.

they did it first ;-)

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:05:28pm

re: #123 Hecuba’s daughter

The population has grown over 40% during that time — it’s a meaningless comparison. It’s correct to say Biden received the most votes in history but it should be accompanied by a more meaningful statistic —like percent of eligible voters or percent of registered voters. Sigh — people aren’t very good with statistics.

Biden did receive a higher percentage of votes cast than did Reagan. So there’s that!

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dangerman  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:07:39pm

re: #125 Dread Pirate Ron

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this is the crux

they’re saying, without saying it, that the states, counties, towns, districts, etc, the poll workers, counters, supervisors - the entire mechanism either was massively incompetent, or all in on the fraud

in multiple states
simultaneously
and organized

it will not be a winner of an argument to call all these people bungling amateurs or actual criminals

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dangerman  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:09:58pm

“After years of denying allegations of lax financial oversight, the National Rifle Association has made a stunning declaration in a new tax filing: Current and former executives used the nonprofit group’s money for personal benefit and enrichment,” the Washington Post reports.

“The NRA said in the filing that it continues to review the alleged abuse of funds, as the tax-exempt organization curtails services and runs up multimillion-dollar legal bills. The assertion of impropriety comes four months after the attorney general of New York state filed a lawsuit accusing NRA chief executive Wayne LaPierre and other top officials of using NRA funds for decades to provide inflated salaries and expense accounts.”

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(((Archangel1)))  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:10:02pm

* Turns on news for first time today *
** Shouts loudly **
*** Curses 2020 yet again ***

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:11:37pm
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Nojay UK  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:12:04pm

re: #108 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

America could try actually treating China as a friend rather than threatening them continuously by, for example, sailing nuclear carrier task groups up and down just outside its national waters. It could make trade agreements with them rather than trying (unsuccessfully) to isolate them and fight economically-damaging tarriff wars. But, if the USA’s position is that China needs to do as it’s told by the Americans and not talk back then I don’t hold out much hope.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:13:29pm
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dangerman  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:14:13pm

take yer pick

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:16:00pm

Flynn was just given a full pardon.

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dangerman  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:16:55pm

re: #134 Charles Johnson

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forget the pardon aspect.
presidents pardon people
those guilty and adjudged guilty (ie innocent)

here the president is congratulating a confessed felon

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:16:58pm

re: #134 Charles Johnson

Well at least that proves Flynn was guilty.

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Belafon  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:17:29pm

re: #133 Nojay UK

America could try actually treating China as a friend rather than threatening them continuously by, for example, sailing nuclear carrier task groups up and down just outside its national waters. It could make trade agreements with them rather than trying (unsuccessfully) to isolate them and fight economically-damaging tarriff wars. But, if the USA’s position is that China needs to do as it’s told by the Americans and not talk back then I don’t hold out much hope.

Countries don’t quite work that way.

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jamesfirecat  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:17:59pm

re: #136 Dread Pirate Ron

Flynn was just given a full pardon.

I know pardon by tweet isn’t the most specific thing but was it a “for everything” pardon or did he at least narrow it down to some particular crimes, or would that have been too incriminating?

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Belafon  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:19:10pm

Seen at Barnes & Noble:

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sagehen  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:22:42pm

re: #139 Belafon

Countries don’t quite work that way.

People have friends.
Countries have interests.

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:23:02pm

re: #113 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

When I lost my puppy, Joy, I cried non-stop for two months. I have no children and it felt to me like I lost a child. I was devastated.

I got a puppy two months later for all the wrong reasons, to maybe stop crying, and she’s the light of my life.

It went against everything you’re supposed to do. I wasn’t looking to replace Joy, I was looking for comfort.

There’s no right or wrong. You do what is right for you at whatever time is right for you.

My position on that has always been there is no such thing as too soon. There are always dogs who need homes, and a new dog is going to be more than happy to let you cry on his/her shoulder about the one you just lost. They’re good that way.
Plus, there is no way that the friend you just lost would want you to be sad or lonely. They’re good that way, too.

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sagehen  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:24:08pm

re: #141 Belafon

Seen at Barnes & Noble:

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Not the most flattering (or even accurate) portraits I’ve seen of both of them.

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dangerman  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:29:52pm

the public said no

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Nojay UK  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:31:23pm

re: #139 Belafon

Countries don’t quite work that way.

What, countries don’t go around waving a big stick if they’ve got a really big military and a demonstrated propensity to use it at the drop of a hat? Really?

I come from the UK where we still sing “Rule Britannia, Britannia rules the waves”, remembering the time when the Royal Navy owned the oceans and Queen Vic ruled over a quarter of the world’s land mass. It got to be too much, eventually and we gave up nearly all of it. You could learn from our example but I doubt you will, it’s not like we Brits suddenly woke up one day and said “you know, this is a bad idea” and stopped, we were ground down by the effort and the expense of maintaining what we had taken by force, bought and/or stolen over the centuries. It was a dismal time as it happened.

Songs from the times of Empire are good though — “From the Halls of Montezuma, to the shores of Tripoli…”

Rule Britannia

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:32:19pm

re: #132 Dread Pirate Ron

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How about filing an actual request?

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dangerman  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:32:31pm
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Teddy's Person ✌  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:34:43pm

re: #147 Jebediah, RBG

How about filing an actual request?

Paperwork is for the plebs.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:36:03pm
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(((Archangel1)))  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:37:37pm

Flynn doesn’t deserve a pardon.
He deserves the electric chair.

I hope states find a way to take action against as many of the Trump criminal accomplices as possible. Or have them face new, different federal charges dropped on them like 10 ton anvils once Barr is out of office.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:38:39pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:39:22pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:40:36pm

re: #150 Charles Johnson

We can still reach out to them…with an extended middle finger.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:41:43pm
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lawhawk  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:42:16pm

Trump’s pardon of Flynn is a crime. It’s a continuation of the conspiracy and crimes as a coverup of same.

Don’t just take my word for it, but that of now AG Bill Barr (who said as much during Barr’s confirmation hearing).

Trump confirms everything we’ve ever said about him. He’s a crook, employed treasonweasels, and keeps covering up felonies with still more felonies until his final minutes in office. It’s all he will ever do.

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:42:57pm

re: #143 Jebediah, RBG

We took Otis home the day after Chucky passed. He had gone unadopted for a full year, maybe cuz he just isn’t the type of dog to run up to you and grab your attention, maybe because his eyesight is terrible and his hearing isn’t much better. It’s been about two years now, I guess, and my heart swells every time I look at him. He is happy, we’re happy - he is now my Exhibit #1 for not waiting to get another dog.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:43:04pm

Fun fact: That pardon means Flynn can no longer take the Fifth were he to be questioned about crimes he was pardoned for.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:43:25pm

I heard that Trump just pardoned another Turkey.

made it official.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:44:09pm
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sagehen  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:46:41pm

re: #146 Nojay UK

it’s not like we Brits suddenly woke up one day and said “you know, this is a bad idea” and stopped, we were ground down by the effort and the expense of maintaining what we had taken by force, bought and/or stolen over the centuries. It was a dismal time as it happened.

Rule Britannia

It wasn’t the “ordinary” cost of upkeep… it’s that WWII was REALLY expensive.

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:47:16pm

re: #149 Teddy’s Person ✌

Paperwork is for the plebs.

True, and her boss does everything via twitter, so why not?
I assume she will soon be publicly stamping her feet over the Secretary ignoring her stupid tweet, and add it to the “evidence” that orangeanus should get to stay in office.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:47:25pm

hi

My wife made a wonderful dinner last night of Cornish hens stuffed with Minnesota wild rice stuffing. I’m still full now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:47:51pm

heh

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:48:28pm

re: #21 marcusgorillius

Last night my dog Roxy, a chweenie, had a stroke and had to be put down. My constant companion for 15 years. To me and my wife she was the perfect dog. So lucky to have her for the time we did. JC this hurts. 2020 can’t end soon enough.

I’m terribly sorry to read this. My condolences on the loss of your furry family member.

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Egregious Philbin  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:52:24pm

re: #163 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I believe I will be making up a batch of caipirinhas in the not to distant few minutes…mmmm

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dangerman  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:53:02pm

re: #163 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

hi

My wife made a wonderful dinner last night of Cornish hens stuffed with Minnesota wild rice stuffing. I’m still full now.

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we eat cornish hens a lot.
for only 2 people so much easier than even a small chicken
i spatchcock them so no stuffing

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Charles Johnson  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:53:09pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:55:42pm

re: #168 Charles Johnson

These people don’t like wearing masks, remember?

//

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mmmirele  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:55:50pm

re: #57 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

My grandchildren would tell me to go to hell if I tried to feed them Jim’s re-constituted sawdust meal.

Televangelist Jim Bakker: Buy My Pancake Mix Or Your Grandkids Go To Hell

For whst it’s worth, since that story was published in 2017, Jim Bakker has lost his credit card processor, can only accept payments via Automated Clearing House and it will still take 2 to 4 weeks to get your bucket of reconstitable slop.

Bakker is only slightly above neo-Nazis and Ponzi schemers in the “can’t get banking services for love or money” pecking order as his bank has not yet sent him packing. That said, he is saving the various interchange fees by getting his money up front.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:57:08pm

re: #161 sagehen

It wasn’t the “ordinary” cost of upkeep… it’s that WWII was REALLY expensive.

They were still recovering from WW1

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jaunte  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:58:41pm
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dangerman  Nov 25, 2020 • 1:59:33pm

re: #170 mmmirele

For whst it’s worth, since that story was published in 2017, Jim Bakker has lost his credit card processor, can only accept payments via Automated Clearing House and it will still take 2 to 4 weeks to get your bucket of reconstitable slop.

Bakker is only slightly above neo-Nazis and Ponzi schemers in the “can’t get banking services for love or money” pecking order as his bank has not yet sent him packing. That said, he is saving the various interchange fees by getting his money up front.

he’d have an easier time finding banking services for selling weed

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:03:48pm

The rebellion against Pete Ricketts continues, as two more towns order mask mandates.

La Vista, Grand Island OK mask mandates. ‘I’m smart enough to listen to smart people’ (Omaha World-Herald)

La Vista is a suburb of Omaha.

La Vista and Grand Island on Tuesday became the latest Nebraska cities to pass mask mandates to slow the spread of the coronavirus.

La Vista approved its mask requirement on the same day the Douglas County Board called on Nebraska Gov. Pete Ricketts to issue a statewide mask mandate.

The La Vista City Council voted 6-2 to approve the indoor mask mandate, which takes effect Friday and expires Feb. 23. The measure is similar to ones in other metro area cities, which require masks in indoor places open to the public, including businesses, churches, schools and day cares.

The Grand Island City Council approved its mask mandate Tuesday night on an 8-2 vote, during a meeting that lasted more than three hours.

Ron Depue, a Grand Island resident, supported the ordinance, saying through tears that the council’s decision was an important one.

“I have no medical or scientific expertise. I’ve just been around a long time and I’m smart enough to listen to smart people,” Depue said. “Every single one of our health professionals here in town has said we need a mask mandate. They have pled for a mask mandate.”

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jaunte  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:04:04pm
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nines09  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:05:17pm

re: #150 Charles Johnson

I doubt they ever tried. Lord knows I tried. I said fuck it 3 years ago and they can all kiss my ass. Every single one of them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:07:43pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:07:43pm

re: #175 jaunte

Plenty of people in that thread with this hot take, who don’t understand how government works.

Not as long as the Republican Party controls the Senate.

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jaunte  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:08:39pm

re: #178 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

“Why hasn’t Ted Lieu fixed everything?”

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jaunte  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:09:04pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:09:22pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:09:23pm

re: #176 nines09

I doubt they ever tried. Lord knows I tried. I said fuck it 3 years ago and they can all kiss my ass. Every single one of them.

Conservatism cannot be reasoned with for the same reason any other religion cannot be reasoned with.

It can only be outvoted or mocked.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:10:20pm

re: #174 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

The rebellion against Pete Ricketts continues, as two more towns order mask mandates.

La Vista, Grand Island OK mask mandates. ‘I’m smart enough to listen to smart people’ (Omaha World-Herald)

La Vista is a suburb of Omaha.

(more)

Everybody, please stay safe. The largest superspreader event in history is starting, and our healthcare system may completely collapse under the strain. Thankfully my wife finally got to start working from home this week, and we are staying hunkered down until we can get vaccinated.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:10:38pm

Brought to you by the same people who said it was inappropriate to confirm a SCOTUS justice in an election year until they had the chance to confirm one A WEEK BEFORE AN ELECTION.

You can NOT believe a single fucking thing these assholes say.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:12:47pm
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stpaulbear  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:13:10pm

re: #124 Jebediah, RBG

I kinda hope nobody beat me to this

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This is the one that popped into my mind. It’s a good late period Fairport song with some fun little Stones quotes.

Fairport Convention - Over the next Hill (Lyrics)

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:16:11pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:16:46pm

I’m surprised Maggie used the L word.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:18:27pm
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Nojay UK  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:20:47pm

re: #161 sagehen

It wasn’t the “ordinary” cost of upkeep… it’s that WWII was REALLY expensive.

WWII was a world-wide war for Britain because of Empire — Singapore and Australia and Hong Kong and India and Africa, all the “pink bits” on the map needed defending. We were only fighting the Germans because we, as a Major Power had guaranteed the safety of various bits of Europe like Poland and Belgium hence the Expeditionary Force which, as any military logistician will tell you, are REALLY expensive (see Iraq I, Iraq II and Afghanistan for recent US examples) and they’re especially costly when you lose one like we did in May 1940.

If it had been us just trying to keep the Nazis from invading Britain then no problem, we could have done that in our sleep. Sure we got a lot of help FROM the Empire, Canada and Australia and India provided a lot of manpower and supplies but the Empire was unravelling even then. India was heading for independence, the Dominions of Canada and Australia were effectively independent nations who stuck with us for old times sake and the odd bits dotted around the map that used to be coaling stations for the Royal Navy were getting to be less and less useful as oil and air power took over from “Iron men in wooden ships”, but they still needed defending too because they were “ours”.

Eventually an empire becomes an expensive luxury but it’s very hard to see the family silver getting auctioned off piece by piece and denial isn’t just a river in Egypt (which, of course was owned by Britain for a time).

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:21:07pm

re: #188 Dread Pirate Ron

I’m surprised Maggie used the L word.

It’s time to move on to access to the Biden Administration. What is left of Trumpworld is spewing info like a firehose as they prepare for unemployment.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:22:33pm

re: #148 dangerman

Trump’s about to turn the GOP into one long, humiliating episode of ‘The Apprentice’

he is not going away

Him not going away is fine with me as long as it’s to the detriment of Republicans. I’m very disappointed that while he lost, he wasn’t able to bring down other Republicans in the House or Senate. He needs to do better.

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Florida Panhandler  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:23:36pm

re: #42 thedopefishlives

I guess after even the woeful OANN jumps the shark with our Trump faithful the only real go-to information websites left that suit their belief system is Stormfront.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:24:37pm

re: #183 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Everybody, please stay safe. The largest superspreader event in history is starting, and our healthcare system may completely collapse under the strain. Thankfully my wife finally got to start working from home this week, and we are staying hunkered down until we can get vaccinated.

University of Nebraska Medical Center, home of the National Quarantine Center, says Thanksgiving will collapse the health care system in Omaha. Not “maybe,” not “we’ll see,” but “it will.” They are preparing for a wave of death.

The National Quarantine Center warns no one should be holding any Thanksgiving event with people from outside their home. As we can see even here at this site of “rigid empiricism,” people are planning to ignore these warnings from all over the nation because somehow “the only moral abortion Thanksgiving is my abortion Thanksgiving.” They will rationalise, they will claim every sort of protection, then they will ignore every doctor, nurse, and public health official in the land.

In the meantime, UNMC is offering $17 an hour for temporary workers to come in and do anything (office work, administrative paper pushing, answering telephones, &c) so anyone with medical training can be taken off those jobs and thrown into the meat grinder that our governor’s intentional genocide is producing.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:24:42pm

Delusional

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:27:47pm

re: #194 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

University of Nebraska Medical Center, home of the National Quarantine Center, says Thanksgiving will collapse the health care system in Omaha. Not “maybe,” not “we’ll see,” but “it will.” They are preparing for a wave of death.

The National Quarantine Center warns no one should be holding any Thanksgiving event with people from outside their home. As we can see even here at this site of “rigid empiricism,” people are planning to ignore these warnings from all over the nation because somehow “the only moral abortion Thanksgiving is my abortion Thanksgiving.” They will rationalise, they will claim every sort of protection, then they will ignore every doctor, nurse, and public health official in the land.

In the meantime, NMNC is offering $17 an hour for temporary workers to come in and do anything (office work, administrative paper pushing, answering telephones, &c) so anyone with medical training can be taken off those jobs and thrown into the meat grinder that our governor’s intentional genocide is producing.

It’s going to be apocalyptic. I’m aching for the hell nurses are doctors are going through, and it’s just going to get worse.

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gocart mozart  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:30:45pm

The Last Waltz (1978) - Helpless Scene (3/7) | Movieclips

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:30:45pm

re: #196 NO SMOCKING GUN!

It’s going to be apocalyptic. I’m aching for the hell nurses are doctors are going through, and it’s just going to get worse.

Pete Ricketts claimed yesterday that vaccines will be available across Nebraska by February.

All conservatives lie.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:30:46pm

The very moment they were allowed to count the mail-in ballots from Philadelphia. YOU CAN’T EXPLAIN THAT!

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jaunte  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:32:34pm
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jaunte  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:32:57pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:34:40pm

On the lighter side of the news, Wayne LaPierre may be going to prison soon. washingtonpost.com

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Belafon  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:35:02pm

re: #200 jaunte

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Can he pardon Flynn without telling what Flynn’s been pardoned for so he doesn’t implicate himself or others?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:36:23pm

re: #198 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Pete Ricketts claimed yesterday that vaccines will be available across Nebraska by February.

All conservatives lie.

Fat lot of good vaccines in February will do as our hospitals are overrun in December.

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jaunte  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:37:49pm

re: #203 Belafon

I think you have to be a little more specific than he’d like.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:38:05pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:38:14pm

re: #200 jaunte

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A lot of rightwing criminals are going to be lining up for pardons. Wayne LaPierre is going to need one, as I posted above.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:39:10pm

re: #202 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Pardon?

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sagehen  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:39:28pm

re: #207 NO SMOCKING GUN!

A lot of rightwing criminals are going to be lining up for pardons. Wayne LaPierre is going to need one, as I posted above.

Wayne LaPierre’s indictment is by New York State.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:39:55pm

re: #207 NO SMOCKING GUN!

A lot of rightwing criminals are going to be lining up for pardons. Wayne LaPierre is going to need one, as I posted above.

State laws won’t help him. Also, he stole money from gun owners.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:40:09pm

re: #206 Dread Pirate Ron

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:40:29pm

re: #206 Dread Pirate Ron

The only moral abortion Thanksgiving is my abortion Thanksgiving.

I believe someone up the thread said that. /s

I’m sure he’s taking all necessary precautions, will maintain proper distancing, &c &c &c all the same excuses.

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Florida Panhandler  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:40:53pm

re: #175 jaunte

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The presumption by Republicans now is that Democrats are suckers who must follow the law and have principles.

Republicans on the other hand are OK to conduct any manner of underhanded and often illegal tactics, naked lawbreaking, and outright in your face fraud to achieve their goals.

They aren’t off base.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:41:01pm

re: #209 sagehen

Wayne LaPierre’s indictment is by New York State.

Whoops. Too bad, so sad Wayne!

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:42:37pm

re: #206 Dread Pirate Ron

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:43:47pm

re: #215 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

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Jesus wept, why are we so stupid?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:45:23pm

re: #206 Dread Pirate Ron

The only moral abortion wedding is my daughter’s abortion wedding.

A relative of Naperville Mayor Steve Chirico took to Twitter to publicly admonish him for attending a wedding party with more than 50 people in Florida only days after he proposed Naperville adopt a rule that would make mask usage mandatory in all public places.

In a written statement, Mayor Steven Chirico defended his decision to attend his daughter’s wedding this weekend in Naples, Florida, from which pictures surfaced and circulated online.

His niece, a former BuzzFeed personality with nearly 100,000 Twitter followers blasted Chirico online, igniting a spark of hypocrisy since just last week he warned Naperville residents a mask mandate may soon materialize while purportedly not practicing what he’s preaching — claims he contests.

(more at the Chicago Tribune)

Naperville mayor pushes for local mask mandate and then attends large Florida wedding without one

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:47:10pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:47:28pm

re: #179 jaunte

“Why hasn’t Ted Lieu fixed everything?”

Since he is my Representative, I’ll get on him about that…

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:49:05pm

re: #186 stpaulbear

This is the one that popped into my mind. It’s a good late period Fairport song with some fun little Stones quotes.

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Cool!

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John Hughes  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:49:38pm

re: #72 Backwoods_Sleuth

If you were a Republican poll watcher you were treated like a dog

Stroked, petted, given treats, thrown sticks to case after, just generally loved.

I mean, FFS, there is a terminally stupid German Shepherd that barks at me every morning when I walk by, but I know it’s not her fault, it’s the fault of her stupid “owners”.

Is Trump an Arab?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:50:02pm

Naperville, Ill. mayor’s niece in Florida, who works for Buzzfeed, with a long thread calling out her uncle on his daughter’s moral abortion wedding.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:50:14pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:51:38pm

re: #195 Patricia Kayden

Delusional

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Not sure how delusional. Lying. It’s his faithful base who are all delusional. Let’s recall that Trump kept a copy of Hitler’s speeches by his bedside — he’s going for the stab-in-the-back attack for the next 4 years to prevent Biden from getting any cooperation from any Republican in the House or the Senate. And the GOP will march in lockstep with him — if they had suffered a real loss in the Senate, they might have reconsidered but they will undermine anything that Biden tries to achieve and SCOTUS will support them. It’s going to be a nightmare unless the Georgia races will go blue, and that’s highly unlikely. The only hope is 2 GOP senators switching parties and doing what’s right — like that’s ever going to happen.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:52:40pm
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sagehen  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:53:02pm

re: #212 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

The only moral abortion Thanksgiving is my abortion Thanksgiving.

I believe someone up the thread said that. /s

I’m sure he’s taking all necessary precautions, will maintain proper distancing, &c &c &c all the same excuses.

A bunch of Hollywood celebs, in the early days of the pandemic, when production shut down, bought Airstreams and Winnebagos to get home from location.

But for six figures, not the alternative most of us can manage.

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William Lewis  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:53:56pm

And now for something completely different, “Smells Like Teen Spirit” in Latin…

Smells Like Teen Spirit Cover In Classical Latin (75 BC to 3rd Century AD) Bardcore

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retired cynic  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:56:26pm

re: #216 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Jesus wept, why are we so stupid?

Pritzker is wealthy enough he could be flying in his own jet down to his own house. Not an option for most of us!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:57:16pm

re: #215 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

LEAD BY EXAMPLE YOU COWARDLY FUCKS.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:57:55pm

Lemon bars made.

Tomorrow, cioppino, pot roast with onion and mushroom gravy and pureed potato/celery root.

I do both Canadian and American Thanksgiving dinners. Still only me, hubs and mom in law.

Mom comes over ever Saturday. She kinda fresks me out because I’d like her to be more careful, but until the caseloads increase here we’re letting it side (we’ve had like 8 cases (population 75k) since the 2nd wave hit).

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:59:07pm

re: #227 William Lewis

And now for something completely different, “Smells Like Teen Spirit” in Latin…

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Video

It makes more sense in Latin. /s

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:59:15pm

And now for something else completely different:

Beautiful Moonrise

And it’s real — though somewhat deceptive.

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A Three Hour Tour  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:59:42pm

re: #221 John Hughes

Stroked, petted, given treats, thrown sticks to case after, just generally loved.

I mean, FFS, there is a terminally stupid German Shepherd that barks at me every morning when I walk by, but I know it’s not her fault, it’s the fault of her stupid “owners”.

Is Trump an Arab?

We haven’t seen his long-form birth certificate, so who can say?

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Mattand  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:59:47pm

re: #21 marcusgorillius

Last night my dog Roxy, a chweenie, had a stroke and had to be put down. My constant companion for 15 years. To me and my wife she was the perfect dog. So lucky to have her for the time we did. JC this hurts. 2020 can’t end soon enough.

So sorry to hear that. Condolences. We just did a similar dance here about two weeks ago. It a lot of ways, it worse when the pets go, because they’re only job in this universe is to make sure you’re happy.

Hang in there.

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John Hughes  Nov 25, 2020 • 2:59:54pm

re: #137 dangerman

A full pardon for the crimes he admits to having done by accepting this pardon.

I.e. the pardon says “I’m a crook with friends in high places”.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 25, 2020 • 3:00:22pm

re: #231 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

It makes more sense in Latin. /s

“Weird Al” Yankovic - Smells Like Nirvana

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John Hughes  Nov 25, 2020 • 3:00:26pm

re: #138 Eclectic Cyborg

Well at least that proves Flynn was guilty.

For the third time.

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sagehen  Nov 25, 2020 • 3:02:47pm

re: #230 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Lemon bars made.

Tomorrow, cioppino, pot roast with onion and mushroom gravy and pureed potato/celery root.

Are any of you from SF? ‘Cause I’ve never heard of anyone elsewhere doing cioppino.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 25, 2020 • 3:02:52pm

re: #216 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Jesus wept, why are we so stupid?

I feel like I’m going to be barricaded in my house for the rest of my life.

My mother is eighty years old. I’d like to see her make eighty-one. There isn’t a chance in hell I’m travelling from this epidemic center to visit her for any of the upcoming holidays.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Nov 25, 2020 • 3:02:54pm

re: #202 NO SMOCKING GUN!

On the lighter side of the news, Wayne LaPierre may be going to prison soon.

How about Dana “Machine-gun Barbie” Loesch?

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John Hughes  Nov 25, 2020 • 3:04:36pm

re: #139 Belafon

Countries don’t quite work that way.

Ok, not a friend. Like you say, countries don’t have friends. But not an enemy either. Just some other country, with its legitimate interests, maybe some disagreements that could be worked out.

Like every other country. Just stop behaving like the schoolyard bully.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 25, 2020 • 3:06:55pm

Tonight’s pop up comedy show is free. Tonight. 8PM EST.

I have thoughts about The Rockaways, Vinyl LPs, The Ramones, Thanksgiving, Vegans (hey, it’s only a short set).

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Alephnaught  Nov 25, 2020 • 3:07:33pm

re: #134 Charles Johnson

So, does that mean one of the states can now charge Mr. Flynn? Also, doesn’t that mean he’s no longer protected from state charges, and can he can no longer plead the Fifth?

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dangerman  Nov 25, 2020 • 3:09:19pm
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John Hughes  Nov 25, 2020 • 3:09:25pm

re: #161 sagehen

It wasn’t the “ordinary” cost of upkeep… it’s that WWII was REALLY expensive.

And our “ally” insisted that we reimburse them. For the money. No discount for the blood.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 25, 2020 • 3:09:37pm

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

And economists still won’t call it a depression.

An article in the print edition of Foreign Affairs by an economist argues economists do those living now a disservice by not calling it what it is, due to cultural conditioning from the Great Depression.

(Economic) depression is a word everyone understands, which helps give them a reason why their own economic situation is in the hole from conditions largely out of their control.

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 25, 2020 • 3:11:27pm
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steve_davis  Nov 25, 2020 • 3:15:49pm

re: #75 thedopefishlives

This is the con that doesn’t end,
Yes it goes on and on, my friends!
Some people started funding it not knowing what it was,
And they’ll keep funding forever and forever just because!

welcome back, my friends,
to the con that never ends.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 25, 2020 • 3:16:19pm

So if Thanksgiving is a superspreader event, we should see cases/deaths spike just before Christmas.

Happy fucking holidays, America.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 25, 2020 • 3:16:38pm

re: #239 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I feel like I’m going to be barricaded in my house for the rest of my life.

My mother is eighty years old. I’d like to see her make eighty-one. There isn’t a chance in hell I’m travelling from this epidemic center to visit her for any of the upcoming holidays.

The good news is that it looks like effective vaccines will be available soon. So now is the time to stay safe and save lives. All we have to do is wear masks and socially distance.

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Alephnaught  Nov 25, 2020 • 3:17:03pm

re: #236 Eclectic Cyborg

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I also like the Chris Morris take:

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 25, 2020 • 3:18:42pm

re: #240 Eric The Fruit Bat

How about Dana “Machine-gun Barbie” Loesch?

Oh, I hope she was grifting off the NRA too! The IRS is coming! I hate to think about what she’ll have to do for Trump for her pardon.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 25, 2020 • 3:19:22pm

re: #243 Alephnaught

So, does that mean one of the states can now charge Mr. Flynn? After, doesn’t that mean he’s no longer protected from state charges, and can he can no longer plead the Fifth?

I wonder if Pennsylvania could go after him for that kidnapping plot against Gulan? Kidnapping is a state crime as well as a federal one.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 25, 2020 • 3:20:34pm

re: #238 sagehen

Are any of you from SF? ‘Cause I’ve never heard of anyone elsewhere doing cioppino.

Nope. Chicago. But I love San Francisco. I’ve been there at least a dozen times. I usually make bouillabaisse do I’m doing cioppino this time.

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 25, 2020 • 3:21:37pm

re: #253 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I wonder if Pennsylvania could go after him for that kidnapping plot against Gulan? Kidnapping is a state crime as well as a federal one.

Remember a President’s pardon authority does not include state criminal charges.

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William Lewis  Nov 25, 2020 • 3:23:20pm

re: #242 I Would Prefer Not To

Tonight’s pop up comedy show is free. Tonight. 8PM EST.

I have thoughts about The Rockaways, Vinyl LPs, The Ramones, Thanksgiving, Vegans (hey, it’s only a short set).

Vinyl lps are not something I have any nostalgia for. I remember listening to “The Pretenders” on CD in a German record store in 1983 and never wanting to turn back.

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steve_davis  Nov 25, 2020 • 3:24:13pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

“We’re at war with the virus, not with one another, not with each other.”

It’s a nice sentiment and it’s probably what Biden needs to be saying. But it’s simply not true. The people who voted for Trump are absolutely at war with everyone who didn’t. That’s just an obvious reality.

that’s why he said “we’re.” There’s nothing about the pronoun “we’re” that is all inclusive. It just means that the class Biden belongs to—thoughtful, often Christian, moderate and liberal people—is not at war with other members of that class.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 25, 2020 • 3:25:42pm

re: #249 Eclectic Cyborg

So if Thanksgiving is a superspreader event, we should see cases/deaths spike just before Christmas.

Happy fucking holidays, America.

In this case is more like Merry Fucking Christmas. #WinningTheWarOnXmas

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 25, 2020 • 3:25:50pm

re: #255 🌹UOJB!

Remember a President’s pardon authority does not include state criminal charges.

IANAL but it would seem that a plan to kidnap a foreign national at the behest of a foreign country and transport them out of the United States would be a federal crime and not a state offense.

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b.d. (We Won!)  Nov 25, 2020 • 3:28:31pm

re: #150 Charles Johnson

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Still my favorite:

“Why don’t YOU get a drink with Mitch McConnell?” - Barack Obama

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 25, 2020 • 3:32:10pm

So many people are going to die unnecessarily. While this is going on, a moronic coffeeshop owner in Lexington is defying orders to close.

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Belafon  Nov 25, 2020 • 3:33:07pm

Presbyterian Hospital of Rockwall has 72 people needing beds but only 60 beds. It’s a combination of covid and other needs, but they are begging people to follow guidelines on Covid.

m.facebook.com

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 25, 2020 • 3:33:14pm

re: #259 Hecuba’s daughter

IANAL but it would seem that a plan to kidnap a foreign national at the behest of a foreign country and transport them out of the United States would be a federal crime and not a state offense.

Kidnapping is a state crime as well!

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IngisKahn  Nov 25, 2020 • 3:33:20pm

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calochortus  Nov 25, 2020 • 3:34:52pm

re: #250 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The good news is that it looks like effective vaccines will be available soon. So now is the time to stay safe and save lives. All we have to do is wear masks and socially distance.

I hope so. That’s one of the things that’s keeping us apart for the holidays. That we can see the end (we hope.)

Of course, there is the issue of who gets the vaccine and when.
But, I’d like to think that once people start getting vaccinated, rates of infection will drop. That will probably just mean people quit caring whether or not they’ve been vaccinated and spread it far and wide.
Mr. C. and I are both over 65 so we’d presumably be given it fairly early on, and that will let us visit without too much worry about catching it (and wearing masks, of course.)

According to my daughter, Contra Costa County Regional Hosp. is swimming in Covid. And the reason we’ve moved ourselves from an outdoor dinner for 8 to Zoom is because of people like the new mom who kept going to the nursery with her mask below her nose. They’d tell her to pull it up and she would until they weren’t looking and then pull it back down. She was Covid positive and knew it.

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 25, 2020 • 3:35:59pm

When a libertarian relative says that sick people should bargain in the free market for hospital beds…you conclude that his elevator doesn’t go up all the way…

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steve_davis  Nov 25, 2020 • 3:37:24pm

re: #163 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

hi

My wife made a wonderful dinner last night of Cornish hens stuffed with Minnesota wild rice stuffing. I’m still full now.

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i keep seeing cornish hens in the grocery store and failing to do anything about it. Maybe I will give them a try.

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William Lewis  Nov 25, 2020 • 3:41:04pm

re: #267 steve_davis

i keep seeing cornish hens in the grocery store and failing to do anything about it. Maybe I will give them a try.

All you need to do is remember that all they are is young chickens. Cook/stuff/etc just like a bigger bird.

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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Nov 25, 2020 • 3:43:20pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 25, 2020 • 3:45:23pm

re: #265 calochortus

I hope so. That’s one of the things that’s keeping us apart for the holidays. That we can see the end (we hope.)

Of course, there is the issue of who gets the vaccine and when.
But, I’d like to think that once people start getting vaccinated, rates of infection will drop. That will probably just mean people quit caring whether or not they’ve been vaccinated and spread it far and wide.
Mr. C. and I are both over 65 so we’d presumably be given it fairly early on, and that will let us visit without too much worry about catching it (and wearing masks, of course.)

According to my daughter, Contra Costa County Regional Hosp. is swimming in Covid. And the reason we’ve moved ourselves from an outdoor dinner for 8 to Zoom is because of people like the new mom who kept going to the nursery with her mask below her nose. They’d tell her to pull it up and she would until they weren’t looking and then pull it back down. She was Covid positive and knew it.

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William Lewis  Nov 25, 2020 • 3:46:52pm

re: #265 calochortus

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calochortus  Nov 25, 2020 • 3:48:08pm

re: #270 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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calochortus  Nov 25, 2020 • 3:52:31pm

re: #271 William Lewis

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steve_davis  Nov 25, 2020 • 3:52:54pm

re: #221 John Hughes

Stroked, petted, given treats, thrown sticks to case after, just generally loved.

I mean, FFS, there is a terminally stupid German Shepherd that barks at me every morning when I walk by, but I know it’s not her fault, it’s the fault of her stupid “owners”.

Is Trump an Arab?

there’s an enormous white dog here, partially of a breed that apparently does border patrols and barks at leaves that look like they might be ready to fall. She sees me coming down for the mail and her tail thumps the ground. Then, when she can tell I’m coming in for scritches, she actually fucking grins. It’s with dog teeth, so it’s okay. If it were people teeth, it would creep me right the fuck out.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 25, 2020 • 3:56:51pm

re: #266 🌹UOJB!

When a libertarian relative says that sick people should bargain in the free market for hospital beds…you conclude that his elevator doesn’t go up all the way…

Seems very typical libertarian to me — if you cannot afford something, that’s your problem. And everything is transactional — nothing is a right, everything is a good to be purchased if you have sufficient funds — society has no concern about health, education, shelter, or food for the community.

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plansbandc  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:02:50pm

re: #21 marcusgorillius

I am so very sorry. (((((hugs)))))

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:03:34pm

re: #266 🌹UOJB!

When a libertarian relative says that sick people should bargain in the free market for hospital beds…you conclude that his elevator doesn’t go up all the way…

That’s not a libertarian, that’s a sociopath.

Oh, wait.

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dangerman  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:04:46pm

re: #249 Eclectic Cyborg

So if Thanksgiving is a superspreader event, we should see cases/deaths spike just before Christmas.

Happy fucking holidays, America.

we will be fine here
because we don’t go out
right now i can’t be concerned for caring about people who refuse to care for themselves

I feel for the collateral.
but I’m not causing it and I can’t stop it.
what i can do is stay home
and mask when I have to
and distance
and wash

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:05:59pm

re: #278 dangerman

I have been lucky so far. I haven’t lost anyone close to me (though a not small number have been infected). I fear at this rate it won’t be long before that changes.

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dangerman  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:07:48pm

re: #279 Eclectic Cyborg

I have been lucky so far. I haven’t lost anyone close to me (though a not small number have been infected). I fear at this rate it won’t be long before that changes.

ditto
though as far as my clan is concerned I’m cautiously optimistic

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:08:07pm

i made a pie from some of the leftover ginger/honey roasted kabocha squash

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:10:28pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:12:40pm

re: #259 Hecuba’s daughter

IANAL but it would seem that a plan to kidnap a foreign national at the behest of a foreign country and transport them out of the United States would be a federal crime and not a state offense.

It doesn’t matter who the person is. Kidnapping is always a state crime.

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William Lewis  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:13:11pm

re: #249 Eclectic Cyborg

So if Thanksgiving is a superspreader event, we should see cases/deaths spike just before Christmas.

Happy fucking holidays, America.

Tomorrow soon turns into yesterday.
Everything we see just fades away.
There’s sky and sand where mountains used to be.
Time drops by a second to eternity.

It doesn’t matter if we turn to dust;
Turn and turn and turn we must!
I guess I’ll see you dancin’ in the ruins tonight!
Dancin’ in the ruins!
Guess I’ll see you dancin’ in the ruins tonight!

There’s laughter where I used to see your tears.
It’s all done with mirrors, have no fears.
There’s nothing pure or sacred in our time.
The nights we spend together are no crime.

It doesn’t matter if we turn to dust;
Turn and turn and turn we must!
I guess I’ll see you dancin’ in the ruins tonight!
Dancin’ in the ruins!
Guess I’ll see you dancin’ in the ruins tonight!

Like marble statues all with gold inlaid
In castles built of silence, let us play.
Even though our skulls rot in our flesh.
We can build a laser, tear the mesh.

It doesn’t matter if we turn to dust;
Turn and turn and turn we must.
I guess I’ll see you dancin’ in the ruins tonight! Dancin’ in the ruins!
Guess I’ll see you dancin’ in the ruins tonight! Dancin’ in the ruins!
Guess I’ll see you dancin’ in the ruins tonight! Dancin’ in the ruins!
Guess I’ll see you dancin’ in the ruins tonight!
—Blue Oyster Cult

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:15:54pm
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:17:00pm

re: #279 Eclectic Cyborg

I have been lucky so far. I haven’t lost anyone close to me (though a not small number have been infected). I fear at this rate it won’t be long before that changes.

Turns out my neighbor’s dad just died this afternoon from covid. His wife is (+) but doing ok’ish. He was 85. But i haven’t lost anyone close to me, either.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:17:18pm

re: #282 Backwoods_Sleuth

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🌹UOJB!  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:18:46pm

re: #285 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Been 4 long years since we heard from a REAL President.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:18:52pm

re: #259 Hecuba’s daughter

IANAL but it would seem that a plan to kidnap a foreign national at the behest of a foreign country and transport them out of the United States would be a federal crime and not a state offense.

I believe once they work across a state/national border in a conspiracy it becomes federal.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:19:56pm
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John Hughes  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:20:22pm

re: #259 Hecuba’s daughter

IANAL but it would seem that a plan to kidnap a foreign national at the behest of a foreign country and transport them out of the United States would be a federal crime and not a state offense.

Nope, nope, nopity nope.

I’ve struck through all of the irrelevant bits.

Kidnapping across a state line (and presumably over the US borders) is a Federal crime. But that does not mean it is not a state crime also.

Why do Americans know so little about their own legal system? Is it all televisions fault?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:20:57pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:21:40pm

re: #287 Backwoods_Sleuth

Whatever Stonekettle linked is already gone.

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William Lewis  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:22:58pm

re: #281 Backwoods_Sleuth

i made a pie from some of the leftover ginger/honey roasted kabocha squash

[Embedded content]

Not a squash person, but that does look good.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:23:51pm

re: #279 Eclectic Cyborg

I have been lucky so far. I haven’t lost anyone close to me (though a not small number have been infected). I fear at this rate it won’t be long before that changes.

At the moment, I do not know anyone who has come down with the Trumpian Plague (except for people on-line). I presume that’s going to change sooner or later.

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William Lewis  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:24:16pm

re: #291 John Hughes

Why do Americans know so little about their own legal system? Is it all televisions fault?

Yes.

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Belafon  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:24:20pm

re: #291 John Hughes

Nope, nope, nopity nope.

I’ve struck through all of the irrelevant bits.

Kidnapping across a state line (and presumably over the US borders) is a Federal crime. But that does not mean it is not a state crime also.

Why do Americans know so little about their own legal system? Is it all televisions fault?

Why doesn’t everyone understand hydrodynamic since it’s such an integral part of their lives? Or the internal combustion engine?

Most people wouldn’t know the laws on kidnapping because most people don’t contemplate it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:26:18pm
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John Hughes  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:28:06pm

re: #274 steve_davis

My neighbour’s dog has clearly been trained to bark at passers by. What infuriates me is that if the owners are present when I am there they scold the dog. It is so unfair, she only does what they want, but from her point of view they randomly criticise her for doing what the’ve trained her to do.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:28:19pm

re: #291 John Hughes

Nope, nope, nopity nope.

I’ve struck through all of the irrelevant bits.

Kidnapping across a state line (and presumably over the US borders) is a Federal crime. But that does not mean it is not a state crime also.

Why do Americans know so little about their own legal system? Is it all televisions fault?

The Republican Party has spent all my life trying to undermine and underfinance education at both the secondary school and public university level, especially civics.

A person who doesn’t understand how government works is much easier to manipulate.

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William Lewis  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:28:43pm

re: #298 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Greenwald’s boss wants him to push Snowflake’s pardon. Personally, I’d rather introduce these two and Assange to a firing squad.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:28:52pm
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teleskiguy  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:30:12pm
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dangerman  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:32:15pm

re: #281 Backwoods_Sleuth

i made a pie from some of the leftover ginger/honey roasted kabocha squash

[Embedded content]

plain old punkin with a splash of bourbon

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Belafon  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:32:45pm

re: #300 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

The Republican Party has spent all my life trying to undermine and underfinance education at both the secondary school and public university level, especially civics.

A person who doesn’t understand how government works is much easier to manipulate.

The whole what is state and what is federal was never covered very well, even in my government class in the 80s.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:32:50pm

re: #277 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

That’s not a libertarian, that’s a sociopath.

Oh, wait.

The libertarian honcho of Lubbock Right to Life (a medical equipment dealer in real life) is also a big advocate of price gouging in emergencies. In true libertarian fashion, he says that this is the only fair way to ensure that people who deserve the goods, ie those with the strongest bargaining position, will have control of them. I reminded him that a shotgun in the face is a very strong bargaining position, especially if he is holding food that somebody’s hungry kids could use. His response was that he also had a gun and knew how to use it, which will not be relevant when he falls asleep. Hungry people also have to sleep, of course, but since they are not libertarians they will have an easier time setting up cooperative arrangements with other hungry folk.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:32:52pm

re: #289 Dread Pirate Ron

I believe once they work across a state/national border in a conspiracy it becomes federal.

Just because something is a federal crime doesn’t mean it can’t be a state crime as well.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:33:52pm

re: #293 Eclectic Cyborg

Whatever Stonekettle linked is already gone.

it was about the firing squad thing

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:34:28pm

re: #281 Backwoods_Sleuth

i made a pie from some of the leftover ginger/honey roasted kabocha squash

[Embedded content]

But hedging your bets with Chips Ahoy.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:35:58pm

This Trumporrhoid woman’s husband lost his job after a video came out of him threatening and assaulting an “antifa” woman, and now she is crying about how unfair and mean everyone is.

Fuck your feelings, Karen.

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John Hughes  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:36:09pm

re: #297 Belafon

Most people wouldn’t know the laws on kidnapping because most people don’t contemplate it.

You misunderstand. I wasn’t complaining about people not knowing about the laws on kidnapping.

I was complaining about people not knowing about the relations between state and federal law (FFS what do you think the “United States” means) and people thinking criminal law is somehow different by if the victim is not a citizen.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:38:43pm

re: #309 Barefoot Grin

But hedging your bets with Chips Ahoy.

and Nutter Butters

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dangerman  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:38:49pm
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mmmirele  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:41:40pm

re: #173 dangerman

he’d have an easier time finding banking services for selling weed

Actually, he and the weed sellers are on the same level. At least in Arizona, weed sellers cannot take credit cards, it’s strictly cash because of the interstate nature of the transactions. That said, because of national bank regulation by the OCC, I believe that currently weed accounts are being set up in state-chartered banks, again, to get around the interstate nature of banks.

I’m pretty sure my evil too big to fail employer is not officially lobbying to make weed legal, but I’m also sure that they’d love to bring weed into the Big Banking system.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:43:45pm
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Eventual Carrion  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:44:07pm

re: #310 The Pie Overlord!

This Trumporrhoid woman’s husband lost his job after a video came out of him threatening and assaulting an “antifa” woman, and now she is crying about how unfair and mean everyone is.

Fuck your feelings, Karen.

[Embedded content]

Maybe the “antifa” woman should have stood her ground and blew the motherfucker away because she felt threatened. Maybe the crying bitch would feel better that he lost his life to a patriotic, 2rd amendment following American.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:44:12pm

re: #310 The Pie Overlord!

This Trumporrhoid woman’s husband lost his job after a video came out of him threatening and assaulting an “antifa” woman, and now she is crying about how unfair and mean everyone is.

Fuck your feelings, Karen.

[Embedded content]

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jaunte  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:44:22pm
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:45:26pm

re: #275 Hecuba’s daughter

Seems very typical libertarian to me — if you cannot afford something, that’s your problem. And everything is transactional — nothing is a right, everything is a good to be purchased if you have sufficient funds — society has no concern about health, education, shelter, or food for the community.

Which makes life vicious, brutish, and short. Plus the local town is run by a boss and a bunch of goons who you shouldn’t cross.

The thing that struck me about libertarian is that a society would never build up any sort of infrastructure with that as a basis. It’s only going to come into being by parasiting off another society that previously built it up.

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calochortus  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:47:11pm

re: #319 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Which makes life vicious, brutish, and short. Plus the local town is run by a boss and a bunch of goons who you shouldn’t cross.

The thing that struck me about libertarian is that a society would never build up any sort of infrastructure with that as a basis. It’s only going to come into being by parasiting off another society that previously built it up.

Which brings up my eternal question: Who is going to clean the toilets and collect the trash in Galt’s Gulch? The residents won’t pay enough to make it worthwhile.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:47:36pm

Rescue dog responding to Trump’s image (Ok, I made that up)

We all know that dogs have an incredible sense of smell. That’s why they’re sometimes used to sniff out drugs or bombs, or to protect our first responders.

But a dog can actually recognize factors that make up a person’s personality, according to a study published in the journal Neuroscience and Biobehavioral Reviews. Specifically, they can sense when a person is being “mean” to another person.

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EPR-radar  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:48:26pm

re: #319 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Which makes life vicious, brutish, and short. Plus the local town is run by a boss and a bunch of goons who you shouldn’t cross.

The thing that struck me about libertarian is that a society would never build up any sort of infrastructure with that as a basis. It’s only going to come into being by parasiting off another society that previously built it up.

Exactly. Libertarians like Peter Thiel are essentially parasites. They are incapable of making the kind of money they do unless they are in a civilized society with rule of law etc., but they don’t want to pay their fucking taxes which is what it takes to have that civilization to begin with.

They are no better than common criminals, and considerably worse in terms of the poison from their ideology of selfishness leaching into society.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:50:47pm

re: #322 EPR-radar

Exactly. Libertarians like Peter Thiel are essentially parasites. They are incapable of making the kind of money they do unless they are in a civilized society with rule of law etc., but they don’t want to pay their fucking taxes which is what it takes to have that civilization to begin with.

They are no better than common criminals, and considerably worse in terms of the poison from their ideology of selfishness leaching into society.

Exactly. Shits like him want law that protects his wealth, but that doesn’t bind him in any way.

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Nojay UK  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:51:33pm

re: #320 calochortus

Which brings up my eternal question: Who is going to clean the toilets and collect the trash in Galt’s Gulch?

Whoever brought the wrong kind of ammo for their four assault rifles with them.

“Whaddya mean, 7.62x39 isn’t the same as 7.62x51? It was cheap!”

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calochortus  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:53:00pm

re: #324 Nojay UK

Whoever brought the wrong kind of ammo for their four assault rifles with them.

“Whaddya mean, 7.62x39 isn’t the same as 7.62x51? It was cheap!”

Somehow I don’t think that’s going to be comfortable solution. After all, everyone there is Important.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:53:34pm

re: #266 🌹UOJB!

When a libertarian relative says that sick people should bargain in the free market for hospital beds…you conclude that his elevator doesn’t go up all the way…

His elevator goes down pretty far though.

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mmmirele  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:54:38pm

re: #181 Backwoods_Sleuth

You did notice that it looks like Kamala Harris is wearing a N-95 underneath her fabric mask in that video? For some reason, that makes me feel a lot better. They’re taking this seriously.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:57:15pm
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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:58:12pm

re: #320 calochortus

Which brings up my eternal question: Who is going to clean the toilets and collect the trash in Galt’s Gulch? The residents won’t pay enough to make it worthwhile.

Eventually, slaves will. The progression is inexorable in a society where there is no control over the power of the strong to prey on the weak.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2020 • 4:59:14pm

re: #320 calochortus

Which brings up my eternal question: Who is going to clean the toilets and collect the trash in Galt’s Gulch? The residents won’t pay enough to make it worthwhile.

They’ll just move to a new place to despoil.
disposable society,,,

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 25, 2020 • 5:05:53pm

JFC

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Citizen K  Nov 25, 2020 • 5:07:31pm

re: #331 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC

[Embedded content]

Freedumbs win again?

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Belafon  Nov 25, 2020 • 5:10:44pm

re: #311 John Hughes

You misunderstand. I wasn’t complaining about people not knowing about the laws on kidnapping.

I was complaining about people not knowing about the relations between state and federal law (FFS what do you think the “United States” means) and people thinking criminal law is somehow different by if the victim is not a citizen.

It gets kind of blurred at times, and can depend a lot on who’s in charge of the courts. The Civil Rights stuff was dependent on a very expensive view of when the federal government can get involved. Robert’s would like to go back to more of a Jim Crow view of federal reach.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 25, 2020 • 5:11:14pm
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William Lewis  Nov 25, 2020 • 5:14:24pm

re: #320 calochortus

Which brings up my eternal question: Who is going to clean the toilets and collect the trash in Galt’s Gulch? The residents won’t pay enough to make it worthwhile.

The Helots that they expect to subjugate by force of arms.

If Galt’s Gulch was ever really created it would be the one legitimate use of three W78’s that I can imagine…

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calochortus  Nov 25, 2020 • 5:18:53pm

re: #329 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

Eventually, slaves will. The progression is inexorable in a society where there is no control over the power of the strong to prey on the weak.

re: #335 William Lewis

The Helots that they expect to subjugate by force of arms.

If Galt’s Gulch was ever really created it would be the one legitimate use of three W78’s that I can imagine…

I just find it hard to believe they’d have sufficiently superior weaponry to take on the vast number of “inferior people” out here. They view themselves as this small number of superior people in a sea of dreck. I think they smugly look at at cities “beginning to burn” at the end, although why people are burning the cities is not clear to me.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 25, 2020 • 5:21:00pm

re: #335 William Lewis

The Helots that they expect to subjugate by force of arms.

If Galt’s Gulch was ever really created it would be the one legitimate use of three W78’s that I can imagine…

Nah. They always tear themselves apart, because libertarianism is based on the virtue of selfishness, and they will always either be grifters or attract them.

galtsgulchchile.com (even on their own Website they detail the problems of everyone trying to thieve the rights to the land from each other)

Atlas Mugged: How a Libertarian Paradise in Chile Fell Apart (Vice)

For better snark about the place:
Galt’s Gulch, Chile (Goes to RationalWiki)

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 25, 2020 • 5:23:59pm

Have tissues ready.

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William Lewis  Nov 25, 2020 • 5:31:43pm

re: #336 calochortus

I just find it hard to believe they’d have sufficiently superior weaponry to take on the vast number of “inferior people” out here. They view themselves as this small number of superior people in a sea of dreck. I think they smugly look at at cities “beginning to burn” at the end, although why people are burning the cities is not clear to me.

I think that the scenario most of them imagine is:
A) Society collapses from X (invasions by “others”, ecological, plague, etc)
B) People wander out from untenable cities and have what little they have plundered
C) They have strongholds with large stockpiles from before and plundering
D) People line up to be “protected” by the virtuous “knights” in exchange for labor and food supplied to the local baron who then passes tribute up the food chain to the strongest of them.
E) That strongest one crowns himself and sets about recreating the golden age of 1100AD England

That’s the fantasy. It underlies a lot of libertarian and monarchist fantasy. One example that throws a huge amount of White Supremacism maintained via WMD’s (the use of mustard gas to kill ravening hordes of blah peoples) is “Lucifer’s Hammer.”

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calochortus  Nov 25, 2020 • 5:34:09pm

re: #339 William Lewis

I think that the scenario most of them imagine is:
A) Society collapses from X (invasions by “others”, ecological, plague, etc)
B) People wander out from untenable cities and have what little they have plundered
C) They have strongholds with large stockpiles from before and plundering
D) People line up to be “protected” by the virtuous “knights” in exchange for labor and food supplied to the local baron who then passes tribute up the food chain to the strongest of them.
E) That strongest one crowns himself and sets about recreating the golden age of 1100AD England

That’s the fantasy. It underlies a lot of libertarian and monarchist fantasy. One example that throws a huge amount of White Supremacism maintained via WMD’s (the use of mustard gas to kill ravening hordes of blah peoples) is “Lucifer’s Hammer.”

The golden age right before The Anarchy that tore England apart? That golden age?

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William Lewis  Nov 25, 2020 • 5:39:27pm

re: #340 calochortus

The golden age right before The Anarchy that tore England apart? That golden age?

Ah, civil wars only kill commoners and besides, how else to prove who is strongest?

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Romantic Heretic  Nov 25, 2020 • 5:43:45pm

re: #320 calochortus

angryflower.com

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Nov 25, 2020 • 5:53:34pm

[moved to next thread]

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Nov 25, 2020 • 6:15:48pm

re: #336 calochortus

I just find it hard to believe they’d have sufficiently superior weaponry to take on the vast number of “inferior people” out here. They view themselves as this small number of superior people in a sea of dreck. I think they smugly look at at cities “beginning to burn” at the end, although why people are burning the cities is not clear to me.

William and I were talking about what the lepertarians really expect, sooner or later starving refugees will come to them for food or other critical survival and the lepers will set their own price. Of course, in reality it would fall apart very quickly without external support in the form of law enforcement, courts and other collectivist entities.


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