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1 jester6  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:34:42am

What do you think the carbon footprint was for Obama's Valentine's Day Date back in Chicago?

2 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:34:57am

I took today off because I am celebrating our great Presidents. Also because there is no mail. And no mail means no money, so why work?

3 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:35:49am

Opinion Poll:

Who was the most influential President?

4 notutopia  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:35:50am

To All our Past Presidents! A toast!

[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

5 Pooncakes, Hero of Zion  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:35:59am

Top ten!

6 ThinkRight  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:36:58am

Here’s an open thread for the day of the Obama presidents, formerly known as Washington’s birthday...

7 Pooncakes, Hero of Zion  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:37:30am

re: #3 Ford_Prefect

Madison

8 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:37:33am

George Washington is my favorite former President. They sadly broke the mold with that one.

Thank you, President Washington, for everything, and I mean everything, you did for this nation.

9 opnion  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:37:43am

If you get a chance, pisk up a copy of "His Excellency, George Washington" I believe that the author is David McCullough.
It is a great read & you gain such respect for the man.

10 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:37:46am

re: #5 Pooncakes, Hero of Zion

Top ten!

re: #5 Pooncakes, Hero of Zion

Top ten!

Obama!
Obama!
Obama!
Obama!
Obama!
Obama!
Obama!
Obama!
Obama!
Obama!

/

11 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:37:57am

Speaking of dead white men...my Senator just answered my angry letter about the stimulus bill:

Dear citizen, while the inevitable was not unexpected, the fan was positioned closer to the effluent chute than previously anticipated. We are trying to retain the moral high ground but Newt Gingrich's message machine said he was busy re-reading "Winston Churchill: the wilderness years" and would not be available for counsel until 2010. Oracles sent to the Reagan gravesite were instantly immolated from friction generated heat caused by record GGTs (Gipper Grave Turnovers).

In some positive economic news dollar-meals, apple polish and sandwich board sales are all up.

We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience this has caused you, your children, your children's children, ad infinitum...

The Grand Old Party

/

12 Timbre  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:38:13am

Tippicanoe and Tyler too!

13 opnion  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:38:18am

re: #8 Sharmuta

George Washington is my favorite former President. They sadly broke the mold with that one.

Thank you, President Washington, for everything, and I mean everything, you did for this nation.

He did.

14 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:38:18am

When will Obama Day come about?

15 notutopia  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:38:20am

To All the Past Presidents wives!
[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

16 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:38:23am

Heck, Washington's birthday is Feb. 22; "President's Day" makes people forget the actual day, as you may possibly imply from the sentence at the top of the thread there.

It is parallel to the dismantling of language in 1984 if you ask me.

17 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:38:32am
18 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:38:52am

And speaking of Presidents:

Obama Drops 'Car Czar' for Task Force to Oversee Detroit

From the article:

The task force will be led by Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and National Economic Council Director Lawrence Summers. Other members will be drawn from relevant Cabinet agencies and offices, such as the transportation, labor, energy and commerce departments.

Hmm...didn't the old Soviet Union rely on "committees" to manage and direct every facet of the economy?

"A camel is a horse built by committee."

19 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:38:58am

re: #8 Sharmuta

George Washington is my favorite former President. They sadly broke the mold with that one.

Thank you, President Washington, for everything, and I mean everything, you did for this nation.

The one thing I adore most about President Washington is that, even though people BEGGED him to stay in office, he resigned it anyway. He understood how bad the idea of a career politician was.

20 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:39:01am

re: #14 MandyManners

When will Obama Day come about?

Every day is now Obama Day. What did you do to celebrate today?

21 Digital Display  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:39:05am

re: #3 Ford_Prefect

Opinion Poll:

Who was the most influential President?

Washington
Jefferson
Lincoln
Reagan

After that it goes down hill pretty fast...I'm struggling to fill out the top 5.

22 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:39:18am

re: #3 Ford_Prefect

In the good sense, Lincoln, hands down IMHO.

23 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:39:24am

re: #17 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The Clinton Memorial

Oh, dear me.

24 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:39:26am

re: #17 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The Clinton Memorial

I was always under the impression he was standing up?

25 ThinkRight  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:39:36am

Can the Obama Presidency Be Lame Duck after 1 month ?

26 Timbre  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:40:25am

re: #3 Ford_Prefect

Opinion Poll:

Who was the most influential President?

I think Theodore Roosevelt set a new precedent for "activist" Presidential policy. It didn't take so much with Harding, for example, but TR set the stage.

27 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:40:33am

re: #24 Nevergiveup

I was always under the impression he was standing up?

And shouldn't she be off to the side a bit?

28 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:40:34am

re: #17 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The Clinton Memorial

It's not accurate. Where's Monica's blue dress?

29 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:40:46am

re: #20 Alouette

Every day is now Obama Day. What did you do to celebrate today?

I got out of bed.

30 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:40:47am

re: #11 DaddyG

Check out the Modern Whig party.

www.Modernwhig.org

31 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:41:00am

re: #18 subsailor68

And speaking of Presidents:

Obama Drops 'Car Czar' for Task Force to Oversee Detroit

From the article:

The task force will be led by Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and National Economic Council Director Lawrence Summers. Other members will be drawn from relevant Cabinet agencies and offices, such as the transportation, labor, energy and commerce departments.

Hmm...didn't the old Soviet Union rely on "committees" to manage and direct every facet of the economy?

"A camel is a horse built by committee."

But this is better, this is a "task force" which is a more fun name than "committee."

32 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:41:10am

re: #3 Ford_Prefect

Opinion Poll:

Who was the most influential President?

Washington. He won our independence, he headed the Constitutional convention that would have fallen apart without his steadying influence, he molded the Presidency that we still see to this day in ways many people don't realize, he shocked the world resigning his commission after defeating the British- I could go on and on. But there was no man that could have assumed the Presidency besides him- he was considered the Father of the nation, and the people would have no other. Without him, the great experiment known as America might not have even happened.

33 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:41:18am

re: #27 DaddyG

And shouldn't she be off to the side a bit?

Something to do with the angle of the dangle?

34 brookly red  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:41:29am

re: #20 Alouette

Every day is now Obama Day. What did you do to celebrate today?

I sent out a bunch of resumes...

35 vapig  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:41:48am

re: #3 Ford_Prefect

Opinion Poll:

Who was the most influential President?

In my lifetime, President Ronald Reagan.

36 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:41:50am

re: #33 Nevergiveup

Something to do with the angle of the dangle?

Oh, no you didn't.

37 Timbre  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:41:55am

re: #30 Ojoe

You like them don't you? That's the second reference in the past week I believe. (I bookmarked it!)

38 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:42:02am

re: #21 HoosierHoops

Washington
Jefferson
Lincoln
Reagan

After that it goes down hill pretty fast...I'm struggling to fill out the top 5.

I particularly like the inclusion of Reagan. We could use another one right about now.

39 turn  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:42:18am

re: #17 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The Clinton Memorial

Ha! Is it just me or does that silhouette look more like Hillary?

40 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:42:20am

re: #17 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The Clinton Memorial

"Tragedy struck when the 50 foot Carrera marble broke loose during construction and rolled into the Tidal Basin."

41 vapig  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:42:41am

re: #25 ThinkRight

Can the Obama Presidency Be Lame Duck after 1 month ?

Not with a lib congress.

42 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:42:51am
43 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:43:10am

re: #30 Ojoe Bookmarked!

44 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:43:23am

Obama left, it smells so much better here in Chicago now. His jet flew over my apartment. I said SO LONG!

Somehow I think he will be back as Chicago is the new Crawford, TX

45 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:43:50am

Clinton On The Silver Screen

/enlarge to read the text at lower right

46 Bloodnok  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:43:51am

re: #1 jester6

What do you think the carbon footprint was for Obama's Valentine's Day Date back in Chicago?

President O(ut of office)

47 donntiger  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:43:56am

Can you believe that the C-Span poll rated Carter at 25? 25!

48 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:43:58am

re: #31 Walter L. Newton

But this is better, this is a "task force" which is a more fun name than "committee."

Okay dude. Thanks a bunch! Monitor, meet coffee. Coffee, meet monitor.

:-)

49 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:44:08am

I highly recommend His Excellency: George Washington for anyone who would like to know more about this incredible man.

50 Loader2088  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:44:25am

Today's holiday is Washington's Birthday (observed). A Nixon quip led to it being erroneously called "Presidents' Day." This is well documented, but I fear it is too embedded in the culture and people don't want to honor the Father of our Country anymore. Only one person is now considered worthy of a personal birthday holiday by the culture.

51 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:44:28am

re: #42 buzzsawmonkey

I did say I could go on and on.

52 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:44:39am

re: #28 MandyManners

It's not accurate. Where's Monica's blue dress?

That's coming later

/*duck*

53 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:44:47am

re: #1 jester6

What do you think the carbon footprint was for Obama's Valentine's Day Date back in Chicago?

It's on my ass now.

54 ThinkRight  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:44:50am

re: #41 vapig

Not with a lib congress.


Well I think his honeymoon is over
They are pulling the strings now
They are are gonna pull the pay to play back on him now

55 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:44:54am

re: #18 subsailor68

And speaking of Presidents:

Obama Drops 'Car Czar' for Task Force to Oversee Detroit

The term "czar" for anybody with more than the usual range of powers in Washington should be dropped. It is an insult to the czars/tsars. "Commissar" would be more apt.

56 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:45:13am

re: #52 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That's coming later

/*duck*

LOL!

57 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:45:19am
58 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:45:20am

re: #44 Afrocity

Obama left, it smells so much better here in Chicago now. His jet flew over my apartment. I said SO LONG!

Somehow I think he will be back as Chicago is the new Crawford, TX

Better you than Colorado... er... never mind.

59 vapig  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:45:26am

re: #47 donntiger

Can you believe that the C-Span poll rated Carter at 25? 25!

My vote? Carter 43. Obama 44.

60 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:45:28am

re: #40 subsailor68

"Tragedy struck when the 50 foot Carrera marble broke loose during construction and rolled into the Tidal Basin."

Was that the cigar ... or something else?

61 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:45:34am

re: #47 donntiger

Can you believe that the C-Span poll rated Carter at 25? 25!

Lots of news about bad peanuts lately - probably a pity vote.

62 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:45:42am

Gee, I wonder how long we will continue to celebrate Washington and Jefferson? After all, as slave owners, are they not to be denigrated and vilified? How long before they are airbrushed from history like some poor party official who fell from Comrade Stalin favor?

63 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:45:46am

re: #47 donntiger

Can you believe that the C-Span poll rated Carter at 25? 25!

Obama is President, I'll believe anything.

64 Pooncakes, Hero of Zion  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:46:04am

re: #32 Sharmuta

Madison was the primary author of the constitution, the Federalist papers, Bill of Rights, and set up the great framework of our federal government. Those institutions we take for granted were for the most part his brainchildren.

65 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:46:06am

re: #53 Afrocity

It's on my ass now.

Can I look?

66 vapig  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:46:15am

re: #54 ThinkRight

Well I think his honeymoon is over
They are pulling the strings now
They are are gonna pull the pay to play back on him now

Define they.....

67 Timbre  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:46:18am

I like Ike. (Take that JBS.)

68 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:46:25am

re: #55 Cato the Elder

The term "czar" for anybody with more than the usual range of powers in Washington should be dropped. It is an insult to the czars/tsars. "Commissar" would be more apt.

I second that. From this point forward, I shall refer to anyone called a "czar" in DC "commissar".

Love it.

69 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:46:49am
70 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:46:59am

re: #58 Walter L. Newton

Better you than Colorado... er... never mind.

I think I saw the Greek columns tied to the airplane as it left Chicago.

(yep it's little Caesar)

71 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:47:07am

re: #39 turn

Ha! Is it just me or does that silhouette look more like Hillary?

That comment warrants a thread of its own.

/[censored]

72 vapig  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:47:27am

re: #62 calcajun

Gee, I wonder how long we will continue to celebrate Washington and Jefferson? After all, as slave owners, are they not to be denigrated and vilified? How long before they are airbrushed from history like some poor party official who fell from Comrade Stalin favor?

True! Schools all over the country are renaming their schools because of the evil of these slave-owners.

73 brookly red  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:47:37am

re: #41 vapig

Not with a lib congress.

Well, now that the stimulus bill has been passed I am thinking that they turn on each other to fight for the spoils... just a thought.

74 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:47:41am
75 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:47:55am

re: #60 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Was that the cigar ... or something else?

LOL! I'm not sure. The design was so "art dicko".

76 ThinkRight  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:47:58am

re: #66 vapig

Define they.....


All the senior dems in both houses
They help put him in power and they ain't gonna let him forget it

77 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:48:05am

re: #69 buzzsawmonkey

Not to mention that Washington, as a wearer of wooden teeth, did not show proper reverence to our leafy forest friends.

No no no--he was one with the trees--it showed his solidarity with them. But, he was also the largest distiller in VA--which alone makes him OK in my book.

78 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:48:17am

re: #55 Cato the Elder

The term "czar" for anybody with more than the usual range of powers in Washington should be dropped. It is an insult to the czars/tsars. "Commissar" would be more apt.

79 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:48:58am

re: #65 Walter L. Newton

Can I look?

MANNNDY!
AISLE 65!

80 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:49:04am

re: #69 buzzsawmonkey

Not to mention that Washington, as a wearer of wooden teeth, did not show proper reverence to our leafy forest friends.

That is why Martha gets my vote for #1 first lady. Putting up with the splinters and all.

81 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:49:04am

re: #62 calcajun

Wasn't there a move to get rid of Columbus Day? Or did that already happen?

82 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:49:30am

re: #70 Afrocity

I think I saw the Greek columns tied to the airplane as it left Chicago.

(yep it's little Caesar)

I would PAY someone if I was able to get up in front of him tomorrow and GUSH like that 30 year old McDonald employee.

I'm 56 and I want to know, face to face, from his lip, who his stimulus package will help me get a full time programming job.

I could make him SO uncomfortable.

And get my 15 minutes on Ophrah.

83 AuntAcid  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:49:37am

re: #34 brookly red

I sent out a bunch of resumes...

...all things considered ...better you fashion yourself a "woe-is-me" sign and go stand on an off-ramp out by the interstate.

84 vapig  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:49:37am

re: #73 brookly red

Well, now that the stimulus bill has been passed I am thinking that they turn on each other to fight for the spoils... just a thought.

The last time they were in total power they began to devour one another. No reason to think it won't happen this time.

85 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:49:50am

re: #75 subsailor68

LOL! I'm not sure. The design was so "art dicko".

*rimshot*

86 trailortrash  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:49:59am

George Washington is my favorite president, as a child i found out that i had relatives that fought beside him.

87 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:50:09am

re: #57 buzzsawmonkey

No problem. And the two term limit became a standard for Presidents well before the Amendment that made it so, until FDR, because of Washington.

In those days, politicians served in a manner known as "disinterestedness". We could sure stand to see that spirit return to all levels of politics now.

Washington didn't seek the Presidency, it was thrust upon him. He wanted to stay a Mount Vernon, but he knew his country needed him, so he served. There really was no one else that could have sealed the Constitution and the new form of government beside Washington. The first election could have been a disaster without such a unifying figure.

So yes, Washington is the most influential President, imo. We could have lost it all before it began if it weren't for this man.

Happy Birthday, Your Excellency!

88 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:50:24am

As its that time of year again, and as we're listening to some fabulous natinal anthems again, what are your favourite national anthems?

That of your own country strictly excluded!

Here are my trhee favourites, in ascending order:

3) Poland

2)France

1)Italy

89 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:50:33am
90 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:50:44am

re: #85 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*rimshot*

O.K.

www.instantrimshot.com

91 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:51:05am

re: #47 donntiger

Can you believe that the C-Span poll rated Carter at 25? 25!

I saw that idiotic list. First let me just say as a curator and someone who deals with collective memory and public history, it is really far too early to assess what Bush's legacy will be. I was not a fan of Bush but I think he was better than Carter who was an inept leader. History has allowed these legacy makeovers for ex-presidents. No one has benefited more from it than Carter.

92 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:51:10am

re: #64 Pooncakes, Hero of Zion

And I would list him as #2, but it took Washington to seal the deal, and that's pretty well known.

93 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:51:31am

re: #88 yma o hyd

As its that time of year again, and as we're listening to some fabulous natinal anthems again, what are your favourite national anthems?

That of your own country strictly excluded!

Here are my trhee favourites, in ascending order:

3) Poland

2)France

1)Italy

Italy's is too flutey.

94 vapig  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:51:46am

re: #76 ThinkRight

All the senior dems in both houses
They help put him in power and they ain't gonna let him forget it

You are correct on this. However, the "One" has such an ego that he believes he got there through his own merit. And since he is on board with their country altering policies I can't see them putting him in his place.

95 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:52:20am

re: #87 Sharmuta

I would argue with you but I don't want to get your French up. ;-)

96 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:52:28am

re: #87 Sharmuta

So yes, Washington is the most influential President, imo. We could have lost it all before it began if it weren't for this man.

Well said. Amen.

97 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:52:32am

re: #72 vapig

True! Schools all over the country are renaming their schools because of the evil of these slave-owners.

This is the fight the ID/Creationists should be fighting. If you look at the big picture, those folks are fighting against the social re-engineering going on in our skools. It's a good war--bad battle. Revisionism--not Darwinism--is the enemy. If you undermine the founders, then you undermine their validity. You undermine that, then you are left with the Constitution having been written by a bunch of Indian-abusing, slave-owning white guys. Why should we be beholding to a document written by these bums? That is where we are heading unless we are very careful.

98 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:52:46am
99 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:54:12am

re: #88 yma o hyd

As its that time of year again, and as we're listening to some fabulous natinal anthems again, what are your favourite national anthems?

That of your own country strictly excluded!

Here are my trhee favourites, in ascending order:

3) Poland

2)France

1)Italy

Hail! Hail! Freedonia.

100 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:54:21am

re: #91 Afrocity

I saw that idiotic list. First let me just say as a curator and someone who deals with collective memory and public history, it is really far too early to assess what Bush's legacy will be. I was not a fan of Bush but I think he was better than Carter who was an inept leader. History has allowed these legacy makeovers for ex-presidents. No one has benefited more from it than Carter.

There's not a better book on that theme then "Foucault's Pendulum" which I just finished reading yesterday. The connections to memory, sign and symbols and the building of self-fulfilling prophecy is amazing, when you really look into it.

101 monkeytime  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:54:23am

Washingwho? There is only one. The One. The Alpha and Omega.
The Obama.

Let history books be rewritten (again) for now is America's true beginning.

/sniff

102 quickjustice  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:54:30am

The Presidents depicted on Mt. Rushmore will do for a short list of the greatest. To them, I'd add Reagan.

Washington and Lincoln remain the greatest.

103 SpaceJesus  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:54:50am

spacejesus/ron paul 2012

104 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:54:52am

re: #93 MandyManners

Italy's is too flutey.

I agree, it would sound better with a tuba.

105 BigAl  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:55:13am

Here is a very interesting link...hold on to your wallet.

Stimulus Watch...

106 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:55:27am

re: #81 Cato the Elder

Wasn't there a move to get rid of Columbus Day? Or did that already happen?

Still going on. In Europe, it's celebrated as the day "we found a spot to dump our unwanted population." The Native Americans should celebrate; they went from hunter-gatherers to casino owners in 500 years.

107 Timbre  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:55:33am

"Mommy, Mommy, where's Hopey Changey?"
"Gone to the White House, hee, hee, hee!"

108 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:55:50am

"socrates" is back

*yawn*

109 vapig  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:55:52am

re: #89 buzzsawmonkey

Elementary schools in my oh-so-PC hometown trashed a batch of WPA murals--the PC of their day--because they were not PC enough any more; they actually showed Indians as...Indians, blacks in the cotton fields, etc., and this might have caused someone, somehow, to feel bad.

Add Columbus and the Pilgrims to that list and you have a perfect lib pc-world! There is no history except lib revisionist history.

110 Spenser (with an S)  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:56:03am

Idiot moonbat!

Depends where you get your information from. The entire bill has been available to read by the public online at the library of congress website Thomas. Republicans did a very good job of changing the conversation and I have never witnessed such blatant "gamesmanship" on the Republican part than to appoint three Senators to vote for it and then everybody else doesn't have to just in case it doesn't work (my opinion). Democrats were not innocent either in this debate, but in the end Democrats did concede quite a bit to those three Republicans. But Republicans did a great job at the misinformation game and kept the focus off of what was really in the bill, which has been available to the public this entire time.

The text is technically available on Thomas, but that doesn't mean anyone has read the whole bill, right? "Did my pet pork get in?.. good"

111 Bloodnok  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:56:21am

re: #32 Sharmuta

Washington. He won our independence, he headed the Constitutional convention that would have fallen apart without his steadying influence, he molded the Presidency that we still see to this day in ways many people don't realize, he shocked the world resigning his commission after defeating the British- I could go on and on. But there was no man that could have assumed the Presidency besides him- he was considered the Father of the nation, and the people would have no other. Without him, the great experiment known as America might not have even happened.

His Presidency was remarkable for what it wasn't, or could have been had a less honorable man had the job at that crucial time. His humility and sense of country allowed the President to be a citizen first and not a king or despot.

112 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:56:21am

re: #106 calcajun

Still going on. In Europe, it's celebrated as the day "we found a spot to dump our unwanted population." The Native Americans should celebrate; they went from hunter-gatherers to casino owners in 500 years.

Not funny. And did you just learn to walk upright last week?

113 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:56:22am

re: #99 DaddyG

Hail! Hail! Freedonia.

Italy's sounds like it was written by PDQ Bach.

114 quickjustice  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:56:29am

re: #91 Afrocity

I have an autographed copy of Jefferson's papers, published in 1825. I also have an autographed copy of Grant's memoirs.

115 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:56:31am

re: #98 buzzsawmonkey

The greatest stroke of genius in the recent election was the substitution of "Change" for the word "Revolution."

One word, skillfully chosen, enabled an (initially) bloodless coup.

Great point!

They are having trouble with the new slogan though:

"Changers of the World Unite! You Have Nothing to Lose but Your Change."

116 Eowyn2  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:56:59am

re: #31 Walter L. Newton

But this is better, this is a "task force" which is a more fun name than "committee."

The word "task" is representative of a single event (even if the single event only comes about after a number of smaller tasks have been completed.) Therefore, we can draw the conclusion that once the O has completely restructured the car industry, the task force will be disbanded and detroit will be left 'alone' under government supervision.

117 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:57:02am

re: #91 Afrocity

I saw that idiotic list. First let me just say as a curator and someone who deals with collective memory and public history, it is really far too early to assess what Bush's legacy will be. I was not a fan of Bush but I think he was better than Carter who was an inept leader. History has allowed these legacy makeovers for ex-presidents. No one has benefited more from it than Carter.

No one had more room to benefit than Carter.

118 brookly red  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:57:04am

re: #83 AuntAcid

...all things considered ...better you fashion yourself a "woe-is-me" sign and go stand on an off-ramp out by the interstate.

no, I think I will just do another liquor store///

119 vapig  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:57:06am

re: #97 calcajun

This is the fight the ID/Creationists should be fighting. If you look at the big picture, those folks are fighting against the social re-engineering going on in our skools. It's a good war--bad battle. Revisionism--not Darwinism--is the enemy. If you undermine the founders, then you undermine their validity. You undermine that, then you are left with the Constitution having been written by a bunch of Indian-abusing, slave-owning white guys. Why should we be beholding to a document written by these bums? That is where we are heading unless we are very careful.

Good point, but we are already full throttle ahead with that agenda!

120 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:57:47am

re: #112 Walter L. Newton

Not funny. And did you just learn to walk upright last week?

Wasn't meant to be--putz.

121 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:57:56am
122 gmsc  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:58:15am

re: #1 jester6

What do you think the carbon footprint was for Obama's Valentine's Day Date back in Chicago?

I had to do a double take when I first saw "0bama", "Valentine's Day" and "Chicago" in the same sentence.
;)

123 capitalist piglet  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:58:59am

re: #69 buzzsawmonkey

Not to mention that Washington, as a wearer of wooden teeth, did not show proper reverence to our leafy forest friends.

That calls for a reprise of the best YouTube video EVER.

"I want you to know that, trees...THAT WE CARE!" I could watch this thing a hundred times!

124 quickjustice  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:59:01am

Fraunces Tavern Museum in Lower Manhattan: worth a visit the next time you're in NYC: [Link: www.frauncestavernmuseum.org...]

125 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:59:12am

re: #122 gmsc

I had to do a double take when I first saw "0bama", "Valentine's Day" and "Chicago" in the same sentence.
;)

The sentence needed the words "bugs" and "garage" to be complete. /

126 Kragar  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:59:24am

How long before the call it Glorious Leader Day?

127 Eowyn2  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 11:59:50am

re: #47 donntiger

Can you believe that the C-Span poll rated Carter at 25? 25!


I wonder if they remember 76 to 80?

128 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:00:34pm

re: #126 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

How long before the call it Glorious Leader Day?

Ever hear the expression over my dead body?

129 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:00:52pm

re: #126 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

How long before the call it Glorious Leader Day?

It's coming. Be patient. The man's got his own anthem, sung by schoolchildren. His political beatification is not far behind.

130 AuntAcid  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:00:54pm

re: #112 Walter L. Newton

Not funny. And did you just learn to walk upright last week?

Shirley, you jest.

131 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:01:25pm

Maccabee-era tablets found near Jerusalem shed light on ancient Jewish warriors

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

132 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:01:49pm

Something else to consider about Washington's presidency- the Constitution isn't much of a guide when you're the first guy to take the office. It was really his job to establish just what exactly the President was supposed to do

And I cannot stress enough that there was no one else for the job that the newborn country would have rallied to besides him. God bless him.

133 gmsc  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:02:00pm

Hot Air: Obama administration no longer issuing denials on Fairness Doctrine

My favorite analysis so far of the "Fairness Doctrine" talk:

It's Not Fair!

A growing number of "elites," including Bill Clinton, are calling for a return of the "fairness doctrine" to talk radio, a sure indication that Congress and the new President will soon be taking on this issue.

Supporters of the "fairness doctrine" are actually evading the only way to achieve true "fairness" in a free society: To come up with a better product. For several decades now, talented but unsuccessful left-wing broadcasters have attempted to please their audiences on the scale Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck and others have pleased theirs. It hasn't worked. Their product didn't sell. Nobody listened.

In talk radio, the product for sale is ideas. The left-wing politicians who, up to now, cannot sell their ideas, are now attempting to do the next best thing: Prevent the ideas that DO sell from being offered for sale. They know they can't openly come out for censorship, so they call for laws and regulations to require broadcasters to do the impossible: To sell what doesn't sell. In practice, this means either broadcasting what nobody will listen to (at a loss, since there will be no advertisers), or getting rid of the shows and ideas that do sell and replace them with—-you guessed it—the speeches and ideas of politicians who support the "fairness doctrine."

If a young child loses when playing a game, you'll sometimes see him throw the game pieces into the air, screaming, "Not fair!" This is the earliest known demand for a "fairness doctrine." When that child grows up and acquires the power of coercion, watch closely what's about to emerge in Congress.

As a noteworthy postscript, it will be interesting to see how far the government gets in spreading this blatantly obvious attempt at censorship, lurking behind the feel-good word "fairness." They'll probably get what they want on conventional (terrestrial) radio, unless a furious legal battle is waged--and won--by the Rush Limbaughs of the world.

Of course, now the liberal censorship fun begins: What about cable and satellite broadcasts? What about the Internet? Will government go after those too? How would that work and look in practice? Will there be a central server in Washington DC, and everything written for the Internet will have to go through some bureaucrat's office for approval?

I'd like to hear these politicians defend why it's constitutional to stifle one area of broadcast, but not another. Indeed, if they think that all forms of human association and contact are subject to government restrictions and control, they should be forced to disclose that opinion. After all, it's only fair.

134 razorbacker  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:02:13pm

re: #106 calcajun

The Native Americans should celebrate;

My grandfather's favorite joke:

'You know, when the white people got here, male Indians hunted, fished, and fought. The women did all the work. You guys thought that you could improve on that?

135 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:02:22pm

re: #82 Walter L. Newton

How do you get those tickets? I look at those townhall meetings and for once I would love to see someone there that does not appear to be an Obamabot. But after what the MSM did to Joe the Plumber, I bet people are scared to death to ask or do anything that would discredit THE ONE.

Actually my being AA has afforded me the luxury of sitting in Obot discussions w/o being detected. they always assume that I am packing Kool Aid.I like to play dumb but say something that is so stupid they look at me for a second. During the election I was talking to two Obots and they were upset about Palin bringing up Ayers. I said:

"Like what is Sarah Plain's like problem?Ayers only bombed like a few buildings and like killed some people. Didn't his girlfriend like die or something? When she was like making a bomb?He like got off on a technicality, so isn't it like okay?Who is Sirhan Sirhan anyway? So what if Ayers like dedicated a book to him. It is not like Caroline Kennedy doesn't like know that so it makes it like okay because she loves Obama too"

136 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:02:49pm

re: #93 MandyManners

Italy's is too flutey.

Oh noes!

So what are your favourite anthems then?

:-)

137 Mikey_Dallas  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:02:49pm

re: #3 Ford_Prefect

Opinion Poll:

Who was the most influential President?

Most influential is not the same as greatest, but ok. My picks for that would be:

Lincoln
Jefferson
Washington
Reagan
FDR (I really don't care for FDR, but he certainly was influential)

138 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:02:54pm
139 Digital Display  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:03:18pm

re: #103 SpaceJesus

spacejesus/ron paul 2012

Congradulations.. It almost takes an act of Congress to get me to downding a post...
I saw a pickup truck last week with 3 huge Ron Paul Stickers on it.. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry..

140 monkeytime  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:03:25pm

re: #131 Nevergiveup

Maccabee-era tablets found near Jerusalem shed light on ancient Jewish warriors

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Very cool find!

141 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:03:44pm

re: #138 buzzsawmonkey

Psssssst! I've got an ancient inscription for sale, cheap! It's a stele!

Can you throw a bridge in with that?

142 capitalist piglet  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:03:55pm

re: #103 SpaceJesus

spacejesus/ron paul 2012

That explains a lot.

143 reine.de.tout  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:03:58pm

re: #135 Afrocity

. . . During the election I was talking to two Obots and they were upset about Palin bringing up Ayers. I said:

"Like what is Sarah Plain's like problem?Ayers only bombed like a few buildings and like killed some people. Didn't his girlfriend like die or something? When she was like making a bomb?He like got off on a technicality, so isn't it like okay?Who is Sirhan Sirhan anyway? So what if Ayers like dedicated a book to him. It is not like Caroline Kennedy doesn't like know that so it makes it like okay because she loves Obama too"

You did not do that!

Did you?

LOL!

Wish I could have been a fly on the wall . .

144 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:04:04pm
145 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:04:05pm

re: #123 capitalist piglet

That calls for a reprise of the best YouTube video EVER.



"I want you to know that, trees...THAT WE CARE!" I could watch this thing a hundred times!

Where have I seen that before?

146 quickjustice  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:04:09pm

re: #135 Afrocity

Heh.

147 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:04:24pm

re: #138 buzzsawmonkey

Psssssst! I've got an ancient inscription for sale, cheap! It's a stele!

You should column up and see if he's interested.

148 Kragar  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:04:32pm

re: #131 Nevergiveup

Maccabee-era tablets found near Jerusalem shed light on ancient Jewish warriors

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

How were they able to sneak those under Muslim holy land?

///

149 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:04:38pm

re: #99 DaddyG

Hail! Hail! Freedonia.

Where is that? Can' find it in my atlas ...

:-)

150 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:04:49pm
151 NY Nana  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:05:07pm

re: #139 HoosierHoops

I saw a pickup truck last week with 3 huge Ron Paul Stickers on it.. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry..

Was it a garbage truck?

152 soxfan4life  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:05:09pm

re: #137 Mikey_Dallas

Most influential is not the same as greatest, but ok. My picks for that would be:

Lincoln
Jefferson
Washington
Reagan
FDR (I really don't care for FDR, but he certainly was influential)

Don't forget the Monroe Doctrine, James Monroe.Also Gerald Ford he pardoned Nixon so that the country could start to heal and not go on the witch hunt we see today.

153 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:05:26pm

re: #133 gmsc

Hot Air: Obama administration no longer issuing denials on Fairness Doctrine

My favorite analysis so far of the "Fairness Doctrine" talk:

It's Not Fair!


He considers this debate to be a distraction from the conversation we should be having about opening up the airwaves and modern communications to as many diverse viewpoints as possible,” said Ortiz.

Two things. First, shut the fuck up if you don't agree. Second, "diverse viewpoints" is the POV that CBBHO will use to get us to agree with his plans to stomp all over the First Amendment.

154 gmsc  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:05:28pm

re: #149 yma o hyd

Where is that? Can' find it in my atlas ...

:-)

You can only find it in your atlas if you're a Marxist.
;)

155 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:05:36pm

re: #127 Eowyn2

I wonder if they remember 76 to 80?

those are all the dead guys from the 19th century.

In all fairness, some of the "leaders" of this country before 1860 were miserable failures--any one with sense saw the train wreck that was coming and they compromised and made deals, all the while ignoring the looming storm. Pierce and Buchanan are probably two of the worst ones we ever had.

Then, there is the George W. Bush of his day, James K. Polk. There is no doubt that he picked a fight with Mexico solely for the chance to expand the US westward. That's not revisionism, either.

156 Timbre  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:05:38pm

re: #139 HoosierHoops

I want to find a bumper sticker that says "Bush/Cheney 2012." Put it on a big, black Hummer. And drive around Berkeley for a couple of weeks!

157 quickjustice  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:05:55pm

Washington's thirteen toasts: [Link: www.founderspatriots.org...]

"The fighting had ended with the surrender of Cornwallis at Yorktown in Virginia, on 19 October 1781 but it took over 2+ years for the last British soldier to leave our shores. Washington had not returned to New York since his retreat in 1776. Now he would attend a Public Dinner at Fraunces Tavern on Pearl Street where he would propose 13 Toasts of Hot Butter'd Rum.'

The 13 Official Toasts: To the United States of America, To His Most Christian Majesty Louis XVI of France; To the United Netherlands; To the King of Sweden; To the American Army; To the Fleet and Armies of France which have served in America; To the memory of those heroes who have fallen for our freedom; May our country be grateful to her military children; May justice support what courage has gained; To the indicators of the rights of mankind in every quarter of the globe, May America be an asylum to the persecuted of the Earth; May a close union of states guard the temple they have erected to Liberty; May the remembrances of the day be a lesson to princes."

158 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:06:05pm

Since it's an open thread and all, I thought I'd give you all a little gift, found last night on YouTube.

Valentine's Day is over, but here's a little postscript courtesy of Will Shakespeare. (From "Twelfth Night", music by Thomas Morley.)

O mistress mine, where are you roaming?
O stay and hear! your true-love’s coming
That can sing both high and low;
Trip no further, pretty sweeting,
Journeys end in lovers’ meeting—
Every wise man’s son doth know.

What is love? ’tis not hereafter;
Present mirth hath present laughter;
What’s to come is still unsure:
In delay there lies no plenty,—
Then come kiss me, sweet-and-twenty,
Youth’s a stuff will not endure.

And now you have a pretty good idea of what kind of music I prefer.

159 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:06:27pm

re: #131 Nevergiveup

Maccabee-era tablets found near Jerusalem shed light on ancient Jewish warriors

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

This is something that needs to be hammered into people. (sorry--obscure Jewish pun)

160 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:06:59pm

re: #136 yma o hyd

Oh noes!

So what are your favourite anthems then?

:-)

This one.

161 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:07:09pm

re: #114 quickjustice

I have an autographed copy of Jefferson's papers, published in 1825. I also have an autographed copy of Grant's memoirs.

In what hand? Is in manuscript form? Sorry have to ask. Did you get them in Virgina?

162 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:07:30pm

re: #156 Timbre

I want to find a bumper sticker that says "Bush/Cheney 2012." Put it on a big, black Hummer. And drive around Berkeley for a couple of weeks!

And your auto insurance rates will skyrocket.

163 rightwinger3  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:07:45pm

re: #115 subsailor68

Great point!

They are having trouble with the new slogan though:

"Changers of the World Unite! You Have Nothing to Lose but Your Change."

There's an old sea story in the Marine Corps about a Lieutenant who inspected his Marines in the field, and afterward told the "Gunny" that the men smelled bad.

The Lieutenant suggested the solution would be to change their underwear. So the Gunny responded, "Aye aye sir, I'll see to it immediately!"

The Gunny went straight to the squad. "The lieutenant thinks you guys smell bad, and wants you to change your underwear. Smith, you change with Jones, McCarthy, you change with Witkowsky, and Brown, you change with Schultz. Now get to it!"

THE MORAL: A candidate may promise 'change' in Washington , but don't count on things smelling any better. You still have the same old nasty.

164 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:08:10pm

re: #149 yma o hyd

Where is that? Can' find it in my atlas ...

:-)

It's next to Ruritania.

165 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:08:49pm

re: #149 yma o hyd

Where is that? Can' find it in my atlas ...

:-)

I believe Freedonia was a democratic state until the UN helped with its elections.

166 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:08:53pm

re: #157 quickjustice

Washington's thirteen toasts: [Link: www.founderspatriots.org...]

"The fighting had ended with the surrender of Cornwallis at Yorktown in Virginia, on 19 October 1781 but it took over 2+ years for the last British soldier to leave our shores. Washington had not returned to New York since his retreat in 1776. Now he would attend a Public Dinner at Fraunces Tavern on Pearl Street where he would propose 13 Toasts of Hot Butter'd Rum.'

The 13 Official Toasts: To the United States of America, To His Most Christian Majesty Louis XVI of France; To the United Netherlands; To the King of Sweden; To the American Army; To the Fleet and Armies of France which have served in America; To the memory of those heroes who have fallen for our freedom; May our country be grateful to her military children; May justice support what courage has gained; To the indicators of the rights of mankind in every quarter of the globe, May America be an asylum to the persecuted of the Earth; May a close union of states guard the temple they have erected to Liberty; May the remembrances of the day be a lesson to princes."

Thanks for that! Now I know what I'll be doing this evening...

Re-watching "The Patriot." (I know Mel Gibson is a little strange, but I love that movie.)

167 Harry Tuttle  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:08:57pm

re: #156 Timbre

I want to find a bumper sticker that says "Bush/Cheney 2012." Put it on a big, black Hummer. And drive around Berkeley for a couple of weeks!

I saw a Palin/2012 "you can keep the change" bumper sticker the other day.

168 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:09:22pm

re: #3 Ford_Prefect

I'd rather have a different opinion poll:

1. Most underrated President.
2. Most overrated President (44 excluded).

1. Harding and Coolidge.
2. FDR.

169 SpaceJesus  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:09:24pm

re: #139 HoosierHoops

Congradulations.. It almost takes an act of Congress to get me to downding a post...
I saw a pickup truck last week with 3 huge Ron Paul Stickers on it.. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry..


what does congradulations mean

170 clgood  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:09:56pm

Charles:

It may be known as Presidents Day but it really is Washington's Birthday, even though his birthday isn't until the 22nd.

Although it was celebrated as early as 1778, and by the early 19th Century was second only to the Fourth of July as a patriotic holiday, Congress did not officially recognize Washington's Birthday as a national holiday until 1870. The Monday Holiday Law in 1968 -- applied to executive branch departments and agencies by Richard Nixon's Executive Order 11582 in 1971 -- moved the holiday from February 22 to the third Monday in February. Section 6103 of Title 5, United States Code, currently designates that legal federal holiday as 'Washington's Birthday.' Contrary to popular opinion, no action by Congress or order by any President has changed 'Washington's Birthday' to 'Presidents' Day'.

171 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:10:03pm

re: #158 Cato the Elder

Thank you!

172 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:10:17pm

re: #154 gmsc

You can only find it in your atlas if you're a Marxist.
;)

Phew.
Thanks.
Looks like I'm in the clear ...

:-))

173 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:10:35pm

My top 5 Presidents for influence:

Washington
Madison
Lincoln
Jefferson
Reagan

Top 5 Founders for influence:

Franklin
Washington
Jefferson
John Adams
Madison

174 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:10:35pm

re: #163 rightwinger3

LOL!

THE MORAL: A candidate may promise 'change' in Washington , but don't count on things smelling any better.

How true that is!

175 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:10:37pm

re: #37 Timbre

I'm checking the Modern Whigs out. I nominally joined. I also like them because I am a history buff.

176 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:10:59pm

re: #134 razorbacker

My grandfather's favorite joke:

'You know, when the white people got here, male Indians hunted, fished, and fought. The women did all the work. You guys thought that you could improve on that?

Good one.

This ought to tell us something, too. Many whites who had been captured by the Indians chose to remain among their captors when "rescued"; the Indian lifestyle was preferable to going back among white "civilization".

But, I still like flush toilets and warm beds.

177 Shane  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:11:04pm

Well, we have global warming under control now. :-)

178 capitalist piglet  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:11:05pm

re: #145 DaddyG

Where have I seen that before?

Too bad he doesn't stumble upon that North Carolina group of hippies, screaming and crying. I'd like to see Clint's reaction to that.

179 AuntAcid  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:11:08pm

Pretty cool national tune despite this island country being all cocked up.

180 Digital Display  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:11:23pm

re: #151 NY Nana

Was it a garbage truck?

{Nana}
This truck had 3 huge stickers across the Tailgate..End to end..I pulled behind him at a light.. I really did laugh out loud...and shake my head..
But I grew up in California.. If Sister Boom Boom isn't running for the mayor of Yountville then something is amiss..
/where did all the nuts go? Is today their day off?

181 Timbre  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:11:27pm

re: #163 rightwinger3

THE MORAL: A candidate may promise 'change' in Washington , but don't count on things smelling any better. You still have the same old nasty.

I think they need to dig a deep pit next to the Capitol and dump about 10 tons of lime in it--for all the bills that will be coming out of Congress these next four years...

182 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:11:32pm

re: #169 SpaceJesus

what does congradulations mean

I think it means he was holding his nose while posting that.

183 gregg  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:11:48pm

re: #136 yma o hyd

Oh noes!

So what are your favourite anthems then?

:-)

Sooner or later this will get posted:

184 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:11:49pm

re: #169 SpaceJesus

what does congradulations mean

It means you're a piss ant.

185 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:11:55pm

re: #136 yma o hyd

Oh noes!

So what are your favourite anthems then?

:-)

I'm kind of partial to "Oh Canada" myself (other than the Star Spangled Banner, that is). "God Save the King/Queen" is pretty good too. France's isn't too bad either.

186 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:12:22pm

re: #184 MandyManners

Like your answer better.

;-)

187 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:12:38pm
188 nines09  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:12:45pm

So it has come to this. Think long and hard on the tobacco tax. If and when they succeed and outlaw it entirely, where will THAT income come from? Now it may, if certain lawmakers have their way, cost more to just frigging forget who you elected in a certain state. If I owned a micro, I would be packing up about now. [Link: www.kgw.com...]

189 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:13:08pm

Netanyahu: Israel needs to strengthen PA security forces

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

I know that Netanyahu has support here, but this is another guy who would sell his kids and mother down the river for power. And then he wouldn't exercise it so well either. And this ain't meant to be an endorsement of Livni.

190 Digital Display  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:13:11pm

re: #158 Cato the Elder

Nice seeing you Cato.. Hope today finds you well

191 Eowyn2  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:13:19pm

re: #133 gmsc

considering that many Air America hosts and hostesses couldn't get through a single sentence without turning the air blue, I wonder what forcing them upon public access radio will do to the censorship laws. Any bets?

192 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:13:26pm

re: #88 yma o hyd

As its that time of year again, and as we're listening to some fabulous natinal anthems again, what are your favourite national anthems?

That of your own country strictly excluded!

Here are my trhee favourites, in ascending order:

3) Poland

2)France

1)Italy

Russian Federation
Canada
Australia

193 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:13:26pm

re: #169 SpaceJesus

what does congradulations mean

"It's a damn poor mind that can only think of one way to spell a word." President Andrew Jackson

194 SpaceJesus  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:14:32pm

There's a distinct lack of discussing how awesome Teddy Roosevelt was here.


I pretty much model my entire life after this amazing American's example

195 quickjustice  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:14:51pm

re: #161 Afrocity

I acquired a collection of rare Virginia papers from the estate of an old friend of my father's (a Virginian). Everything is printed.

196 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:14:54pm

re: #187 buzzsawmonkey

Klopstakia? Sounds like a disorder of the joints.

197 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:15:01pm

re: #160 MandyManners

This one.

[Video]

Heh - ya didn't read the rules!
The anthem of one's own country was specifically excluded.

So ...

?

:-)

198 bulwrk  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:15:02pm

re: #188 nines09

Junk food tax coming soon.

199 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:15:36pm

re: #190 HoosierHoops

Nice seeing you Cato.. Hope today finds you well

Better each day. I still can't walk very long distances, and my dog Haku is getting antsy because of that. But the foot is slowly getting better.

And as the days lengthen, the mood rises!

200 SpaceJesus  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:15:41pm

re: #193 DaddyG

"It's a damn poor mind that can only think of one way to spell a word." President Andrew Jackson


Andrew Jackson was a blatant and unrepentant racist

201 Timbre  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:15:46pm

re: #194 spacejesus

Teddy Roosevelt was here at LGF!?

202 Eowyn2  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:15:52pm

re: #155 calcajun

those are all the dead guys from the 19th century.

In all fairness, some of the "leaders" of this country before 1860 were miserable failures--any one with sense saw the train wreck that was coming and they compromised and made deals, all the while ignoring the looming storm. Pierce and Buchanan are probably two of the worst ones we ever had.

Then, there is the George W. Bush of his day, James K. Polk. There is no doubt that he picked a fight with Mexico solely for the chance to expand the US westward. That's not revisionism, either.

I'm curious, do you believe that GW Bush picked a fight with Iraq to expand the US?

203 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:16:04pm

re: #188 nines09

So it has come to this. Think long and hard on the tobacco tax. If and when they succeed and outlaw it entirely, where will THAT income come from? Now it may, if certain lawmakers have their way, cost more to just frigging forget who you elected in a certain state. If I owned a micro, I would be packing up about now. [Link: www.kgw.com...]

A $49.61 tax on each barrel of beer produced by Oregon brewers? That's insane.

204 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:16:11pm
205 kingkenrod  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:16:17pm

re: #47 donntiger

Can you believe that the C-Span poll rated Carter at 25? 25!

Any list which does not have Carter in the bottom five is a joke.

206 Digital Display  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:16:39pm

re: #169 SpaceJesus

what does congradulations mean

LOL
It means PIMF..and spell check..
You really don't want a piece of me dude....

207 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:16:44pm

re: #193 DaddyG Wow! SpaceJesus gave me my first ever downding - and for someone elses quote. Nice. I will treasure it forever.

208 KenJen  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:16:52pm

re: #188 nines09

So it has come to this. Think long and hard on the tobacco tax. If and when they succeed and outlaw it entirely, where will THAT income come from? Now it may, if certain lawmakers have their way, cost more to just frigging forget who you elected in a certain state. If I owned a micro, I would be packing up about now. [Link: www.kgw.com...]

Dems are doing it here in KY. Raising taxes on cigs and booze. Bourbon makers are pissed.

209 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:16:58pm

re: #197 yma o hyd

Heh - ya didn't read the rules!
The anthem of one's own country was specifically excluded.

So ...

?

:-)

Rules? I don't like rules.

210 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:17:00pm

re: #188 nines09

So it has come to this. Think long and hard on the tobacco tax. If and when they succeed and outlaw it entirely, where will THAT income come from? Now it may, if certain lawmakers have their way, cost more to just frigging forget who you elected in a certain state. If I owned a micro, I would be packing up about now. [Link: www.kgw.com...]

Thanks for the post and link. It is strange isn't it, that the same folks who want to ban something also see taxing it as a good way to fund a pet project. And when they succeed at one, they're left with trying to find alternative funding for the other.

Think the luxury tax back in the early 90's (thanks Ted Kennedy), and what it did to the yacht builders in Kennedy's own state (and others).

211 doppelganglander  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:17:08pm

re: #114 quickjustice

I have an autographed copy of Jefferson's papers, published in 1825. I also have an autographed copy of Grant's memoirs.

That's remarkable. How did you get them to come back from the dead to sign your books?

212 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:17:36pm

re: #198 bulwrk

Junk food tax coming soon.

As long as they keep their fucking hands off my Basil,...

213 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:17:47pm

re: #201 Timbre

Teddy Roosevelt was here at LGF!?

Back in the pre-registration days

214 SpaceJesus  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:17:58pm

re: #184 MandyManners

It means you're a piss ant.


When SpaceJesus/Ron Paul sweeps the electorate in 2012, I am going to appoint you to the cabinet position of Minister of Person Who Gets Their Filthy Mouth Washed Out With Soap Every Day

215 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:18:02pm

re: #179 AuntAcid

Pretty cool national tune despite this island country being all cocked up.

Nice one!

216 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:18:05pm

re: #212 MandyManners

As long as they keep their fucking hands off my Basil,...

I've never heard it called that before?

217 monkeytime  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:18:13pm

re: #208 KenJen

Dems are doing it here in KY. Raising taxes on cigs and booze. Bourbon makers are pissed.

How long until they tax blog posts?

218 Kulhwch  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:18:18pm

Happy Birthday George.

}:)     [You were the best of us; we sure need you now.]

219 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:18:19pm

re: #204 buzzsawmonkey

Everybody in Klopstakia is a natural athlete, so they enter the Olympic trials to win money to retire the national debt. It is a completely ridiculous and thoroughly enjoyable film.

Do they all have their own bongs?

220 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:18:23pm

re: #184 MandyManners

It means you're a piss ant.

Mandy, you have such a way with words.

And I cannot join you all in celebrating Presidents Day, I will just have sit in the bleaches and make the occassional pithy, if not witty, comment.

221 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:18:25pm

re: #187 buzzsawmonkey

As long as we're mentioning small imaginary countries, try to find a copy of the WC Fields/Jack Oakie film "Million Dollar Legs," which takes place in Klopstakia. Principal exports: goats and nuts; principal imports, goats and nuts, principal inhabitants, goats and nuts.

It features the great Lyda Roberti as Mata Machree, the Woman No Man Can Resist.

I'm somewhat partial to Genovia. Their new queen is gorgeous.

222 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:18:47pm

re: #208 KenJen

Dems are doing it here in KY. Raising taxes on cigs and booze. Bourbon makers are pissed.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

223 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:19:20pm

re: #214 spacejesus

When SpaceJesus/Ron Paul sweeps the electorate in 2012, I am going to appoint you to the cabinet position of Minister of Person Who Gets Their Filthy Mouth Washed Out With Soap Every Day

Yeah, well fuck you, too.

224 quickjustice  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:19:22pm

re: #166 subsailor68

At the time of Washington's toasts, the U.S. didn't yet have a Navy. We relied on the French for our naval support. Naval support was critical in enabling General Cornwallis's surrender at Yorktown.

225 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:19:26pm

re: #200 spacejesus

Andrew Jackson was a blatant and unrepentant racist

I wasn't citing his civil rights record. I was sharing his quote on spelling.

/why did my pig wrestling warning just go off?

226 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:19:36pm

re: #216 Nevergiveup

I've never heard it called that before?

*splutter*

227 Eowyn2  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:20:02pm

re: #188 nines09

So it has come to this. Think long and hard on the tobacco tax. If and when they succeed and outlaw it entirely, where will THAT income come from? Now it may, if certain lawmakers have their way, cost more to just frigging forget who you elected in a certain state. If I owned a micro, I would be packing up about now. [Link: www.kgw.com...]

The tax would raise revenue for the state at a time when budgets are running in the red. Specifically, the bill says it would fund prevention, treatment and recovery programs for those addicted to alcohol and other substances.
It also defends the tax by claiming alcoholism and “untreated substance abuse” costs the state $4.15 billion in “lost earnings” as well as more than $8 million for health care and nearly $1 billion in law enforcement-related expenditures.

Additional 50 dollars a barrel. Good for micro brewers in other states.

228 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:20:05pm

re: #202 Eowyn2

I'm curious, do you believe that GW Bush picked a fight with Iraq to expand the US?

No. "Mr. Polk's War" was analogous to Iraq insofar as we allegedly went in under a contrived pretext. WMD's in Iraq--Mexican territorial ambitions/Catholics fomenting slave revolts for The Mexican War. Both leaders were accused of ginning up a war for their own political ends.

229 quickjustice  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:20:20pm

re: #211 doppelganglander

That's really, really really really funny!

230 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:20:20pm

re: #220 A Kiwi Infidel

Mandy, you have such a way with words.

And I cannot join you all in celebrating Presidents Day, I will just have sit in the bleaches and make the occassional pithy, if not witty, comment.

Does New Zealand still have no extadition treaty with the U.S.?

231 capitalist piglet  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:20:27pm

re: #223 MandyManners

Mandy, have I told you lately that you rock? LOL

232 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:20:32pm

re: #183 gregg

Omigawd!
Cripes!

(Well made - though I hope you all never have to sing it!)

233 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:20:59pm

re: #220 A Kiwi Infidel

Mandy, you have such a way with words.

And I cannot join you all in celebrating Presidents Day, I will just have sit in the bleaches and make the occassional pithy, if not witty, comment.

"bleaches" ?
LOL!
Was that a Freudian slip?

234 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:21:00pm

re: #150 Iron Fist

Just picked up a new toy over the weekend ..... S&W 1911 PD . Haven't been able to get to the range with it yet, but it's been getting good reviews since it was introduced in 2004.

235 Bloodnok  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:21:01pm

re: #132 Sharmuta

Something else to consider about Washington's presidency- the Constitution isn't much of a guide when you're the first guy to take the office. It was really his job to establish just what exactly the President was supposed to do

And I cannot stress enough that there was no one else for the job that the newborn country would have rallied to besides him. God bless him.

I daresay Washington could have never said "I inherited this".

236 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:21:18pm

re: #224 quickjustice

At the time of Washington's toasts, the U.S. didn't yet have a Navy. We relied on the French for our naval support. Naval support was critical in enabling General Cornwallis's surrender at Yorktown.

Yep, and if IIRC, there's a great sweeping vista of the harbor in one scene in "The Patriot." - and the French officer who fights alongside Gibson's character is great too.

237 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:21:44pm

re: #225 DaddyG

I wasn't citing his civil rights record. I was sharing his quote on spelling.

/why did my pig wrestling warning just go off?

*squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeele*

238 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:21:46pm

re: #195 quickjustice

Every summer at the University of Virgina in Charlottesville there is Rare Book School. It is open to curators and rare book lovers. I go every year. Here is link. UVA has a copy of the constitution in the Small Library and the best Jefferson Diary I have ever seen. The only thing that sucked was he basically was explaining how inferior black people are (even said we smelled) but being a bibliophile, I was still in awe. These classes will allow you to network with other bibliophiles and learn tricks of the trade. We also get hammered and dance around "the lawn' where Jefferson stayed.

It is a blast!

(okay i am a nerd)

Rare book School

239 doppelganglander  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:21:50pm

re: #229 quickjustice

Why, thank you!

240 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:22:13pm

re: #223 MandyManners

Yeah, well fuck you, too.

Poetry. Sheer poetry. If you tried, you could work that into an haiku.
Like this:

Yeah
well fuck you
too

241 A.W.  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:22:14pm

Btw, it is not "President's day" its "Washington's Birthday." click on my name to find a snopes article on the subject. the idea that we balled all our presidents into one holliday is a myth. There was never a federal Lincoln holiday, though there should be. This is Washington's birthday, period.

Btw, Charles, maybe this is my crappy windows programs at fault here, but this site is getting so overloaded with features, it is really causing my computer to strain. I honestly would rather see a bit of cut back on thinks like live updating of the latest commmenters and the like. Or something. Just something to chew on.

Or maybe make an alternative stripped down version of the site.

Just a thought.

242 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:22:20pm

re: #231 capitalist piglet

Mandy, have I told you lately that you rock? LOL

*blush*

243 NY Nana  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:22:51pm

re: #180 HoosierHoops

This truck had 3 huge stickers across the Tailgate..End to end..I pulled behind him at a light.. I really did laugh out loud...and shake my head..
But I grew up in California.. If Sister Boom Boom isn't running for the mayor of Yountville then something is amiss..
/where did all the nuts go? Is today their day off?

Ugh. I am glad that you were able to keep control of the wheel! Anyone dumb enough to have those Onray Aulpay stickers is, IMHO, too dumb to have a driver's license. He is a hazard on the road!

So we are both lucky...you escaped California, and I got out of The People's Republic of Massatwoshits ! ;) Alas, most of my first cousins also escaped...to California!

244 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:22:56pm

re: #237 MandyManners

*squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeele*

Has Ned Beatty joined us?

245 bulwrk  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:23:09pm

re: #210 subsailor68

Thanks for the post and link. It is strange isn't it, that the same folks who want to ban something also see taxing it as a good way to fund a pet project.


It really is a perfect model for them they tax the evil industry to death reap the profits while they can then move on to the next target.

246 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:23:10pm

re: #233 pre-Boomer Marine brat

"bleaches" ?
LOL!
Was that a Freudian slip?


Dropped the "r" it is PIMF moment. I am used to PIMF moments.

Bleachers

247 SpaceJesus  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:23:14pm

re: #225 DaddyG

I wasn't citing his civil rights record. I was sharing his quote on spelling.

/why did my pig wrestling warning just go off?


"Anyone who quotes Andrew Jackson, should first point out that he is a blatant and unrepentant racist.'

-George Washington

248 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:23:15pm

re: #192 Alouette

Russian Federation
Canada
Australia

Excellent choices!

I do like the Aussie anthem meself - but we have issues with them, regarding rugby :-))

249 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:23:21pm

re: #194 spacejesus

There's a distinct lack of discussing how awesome Teddy Roosevelt was here.

I pretty much model my entire life after this amazing American's example

I openly admit I'm a Founderphile.

250 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:23:33pm

re: #238 Afrocity

Every summer at the University of Virgina in Charlottesville there is Rare Book School. It is open to curators and rare book lovers. I go every year. Here is link. UVA has a copy of the constitution in the Small Library and the best Jefferson Diary I have ever seen. The only thing that sucked was he basically was explaining how inferior black people are (even said we smelled) but being a bibliophile, I was still in awe. These classes will allow you to network with other bibliophiles and learn tricks of the trade. We also get hammered and dance around "the lawn' where Jefferson stayed.

It is a blast!

(okay i am a nerd)

Rare book School


You sound like a pretty cool nerd ;~)

251 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:23:53pm

A love note from a Coulter fan, referred here from Steve Gilbert's site (who falsely accused me of stealing his material, then sent abusive emails threatening to "expose" me as a "plagiarist" and boasting about all the connections he had):

obviously host GUTLESS ASSHOLES whining about Coulter...

consider pulling your COLLECTIVE HEADS OUT OF YOUR ASSHOLES and smell
the reality...

Classy!

252 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:24:08pm

re: #244 calcajun

Has Ned Beatty joined us?

You got a purdy mouth?

253 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:24:22pm

re: #234 eschew_obfuscation

Just picked up a new toy over the weekend ..... S&W 1911 PD . Haven't been able to get to the range with it yet, but it's been getting good reviews since it was introduced in 2004.

Lock and load
keep and eye on the thread
when spaced-out-pseudo-J*sus goes past ...

254 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:24:42pm

re: #251 Charles

A love note from a Coulter fan, referred here from Steve Gilbert's site (who falsely accused me of stealing his material, then sent abusive emails threatening to "expose" me as a "plagiarist" and boasting about all the connections he had):

Classy!

Hooray! Although it's always great to see people supporting you, I have to admit some of the entertainment value is reading the hate mail.

255 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:25:01pm

re: #209 MandyManners

Heh.
I don't belive you - not with a kid to raise and educate!

:-)))

256 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:25:14pm

re: #252 MandyManners

You got a purdy mouth?

And THAT'S why I don't go white-water rafting.

257 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:25:39pm

re: #245 bulwrk

Thanks for the post and link. It is strange isn't it, that the same folks who want to ban something also see taxing it as a good way to fund a pet project.

It really is a perfect model for them they tax the evil industry to death reap the profits while they can then move on to the next target.

Yep, and it becomes almost like a Ponzi scheme. They tax the evil tobacco company to fund SCHIP, for example. They succeed in destroying the tobacco industry. Oops, they're still stuck funding the SCHIP increase, but no more funding from their original target. So off they go, looking for the next "town to pillage and plunder".

258 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:25:59pm

re: #251 Charles

A love note from a Coulter fan, referred here from Steve Gilbert's site (who falsely accused me of stealing his material, then sent abusive emails threatening to "expose" me as a "plagiarist" and boasting about all the connections he had):


Classy!

Tartness and Dark!

259 NY Nana  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:26:07pm

re: #189 Nevergiveup

Et tu, Brute Bibi?

260 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:26:17pm
261 Digital Display  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:26:18pm

re: #235 Bloodnok

I daresay Washington could have never said "I inherited this".

At the end of the war there was that period where Congress was pissing off the Army..At this moment in time a military coup was very possible..and historically normal..Washington called a meeting with his men.. Upon walking in George had to put on his reading glasses.. Everyone was embarrassed for him.. He read a beautiful speech about the ideals of why they fought.. It has been reported there wasn't a dry eye in the house..This moment is said to change American history forever...This is why Washington shall ever be the FATHER of our country.. Not just the first prez...

262 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:26:18pm

re: #139 HoosierHoops

I saw a pickup truck last week with 3 huge Ron Paul Stickers on it.. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry..

My former boss was a Paulian. Also a big fan of Ayn Rand.

That encapsulated both his politics and his literary discernment. No points on either score.

263 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:26:22pm

re: #251 Charles

A love note from a Coulter fan, referred here from Steve Gilbert's site (who falsely accused me of stealing his material, then sent abusive emails threatening to "expose" me as a "plagiarist" and boasting about all the connections he had):

Classy!

In the words of Winston Churchill:

You say you have enemies? Good. It means you stood for something.

264 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:26:24pm

re: #230 MandyManners

Does New Zealand still have no extadition treaty with the U.S.?

Extradition, yessiree, we do. Remember that asian martial arts guy? Topped his pretty young wife and dumped her body in the boot of her car then flew himself and his 5 yr old daughter to Sydney, Australia, and abandoned her at the airport as he caught a flight to San Fran.

He is back, here, now thanks to the extradition treaty.

265 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:26:38pm

re: #249 Sharmuta

I like Teddy. He tried to start his own army. I got to work with the actual applications that were submitted to them.

Hang with me and I will make you fall in love with all of the presidents (or at least their cool artifacts).

266 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:26:38pm

re: #255 yma o hyd

Heh.
I don't belive you - not with a kid to raise and educate!

:-)))

I have 'em. I just don't like 'em.

267 Eowyn2  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:26:47pm

re: #220 A Kiwi Infidel

Mandy, you have such a way with words.

And I cannot join you all in celebrating Presidents Day, I will just have sit in the bleaches and make the occassional pithy, if not witty, comment.

You can still celebrate with us. Even though you're still part of the British Empire and we are merely colonials:)

268 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:27:26pm

re: #251 Charles

While it is true that you can tell a lot about a person by his friends, I think you can tell even more by his enemies. This makes you look pretty good in my book.

269 doppelganglander  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:27:31pm

re: #238 Afrocity

That sounds like the coolest thing ever. My alma mater (the utterly obscure Kennesaw State University) has a surprisingly good collection of rare books and manuscripts. I got to see some of it when my History of the English Language class visited. It's worth a stop if you happen to be in the Atlanta area.

270 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:27:42pm
271 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:28:03pm

re: #250 eschew_obfuscation

thanks! Cute avatar. Not sure what kind of dog it is. Bulldog? Pug?

272 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:28:04pm

re: #256 calcajun

And THAT'S why I don't go white-water rafting.

You don't like the bamjo?

273 AuntAcid  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:28:25pm

re: #196 MandyManners

Klopstakia? Sounds like a disorder of the joints.

I passed through there on my way to Ataraxia.

274 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:28:28pm

re: #266 MandyManners

I have 'em. I just don't like 'em.

Kids or rules?

275 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:29:06pm

re: #273 AuntAcid

I passed through there on my way to Ataraxia.

Sounds like a knock-off of a popular gaming system.
/

276 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:29:24pm

re: #266 MandyManners

I have 'em. I just don't like 'em.

Now that I can not only understand - I can wholeheartedly agree with.

{Mandy}

277 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:29:47pm

re: #264 A Kiwi Infidel

Extradition, yessiree, we do. Remember that asian martial arts guy? Topped his pretty young wife and dumped her body in the boot of her car then flew himself and his 5 yr old daughter to Sydney, Australia, and abandoned her at the airport as he caught a flight to San Fran.

He is back, here, now thanks to the extradition treaty.

Well, there goes my refuge.

278 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:30:20pm

re: #273 AuntAcid

I passed through there on my way to Ataraxia.

Cool passport stamp?

279 ThinkRight  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:30:28pm

Happy Obama Day !

280 quickjustice  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:30:38pm

re: #200 spacejesus

Andrew Jackson was a southerner of his times. I've visited the Hermitage, his plantation near Nashville. He owned slaves. He and his wife adopted an Indian orphan, and raised him as their own. His victory over the British at New Orleans was the symbolic rise of the American West in national politics. Jackson founded the modern Democratic Party, but at the time, it was a militant, expansionist party that enthusiastically went to war to expand U.S. territory.

Jackson always was an ardent unionist, and an enemy of Hamilton's Bank of the United States and the Federalists. His political philosophy, denoted "Jacksonian", is pretty close to my own personal political philosophy.

His most famous protegee was Sam Houston, Governor of Tennessee and later Texas, and U.S. Senator from Tennessee, later Texas.

281 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:30:39pm

re: #271 Afrocity

thanks! Cute avatar. Not sure what kind of dog it is. Bulldog? Pug?

English Bull Dog. Caught him napping on the futon one day. He's visiting a kitty friend in Houston this week (the wife took him to visit the kids).

282 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:30:46pm

re: #274 Ford_Prefect

Kids or rules?

Both until I had The Kid.

283 Eowyn2  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:30:56pm

re: #238 Afrocity

Welcome to LGF (I've been off line for a few days so pay no attention to the hands of time) and thanks for the link. Mostly everyone stank in the early 1700s. no plumbing, no bathing (can you imagine what Queen Victoria smelled like?) Lots of perfume for the rich and the rest of us unwashed masses had to smell bad.

284 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:31:06pm

re: #270 buzzsawmonkey

A "plagiarist?" On what grounds?

I mean, there is a lovely plage on the California coast, but still...

He claimed I had stolen a post about something on the Barack Obama website, and demanded that I publicly admit it and give him the credit for it. It was completely untrue; LGF readers tipped me off to the story.

When I told him I wasn't going to retract anything, or give him credit, he started threatening to "expose" me to all of his big-time connections. The guy is a major nether orifice.

285 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:31:09pm

re: #277 MandyManners

Well, there goes my refuge.

If you come in on an "expedition" treaty, I can always hide you under my bed.

286 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:31:29pm
287 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:31:37pm

re: #269 doppelganglander

Thanks! I never heard of that place but the curator looks familiar. He is wearing the bow tie. All male curators do, but the girls are pretty eclectic. But we all wear glasses.

I will have to check it out. I have never been to Atlanta but I would love to see Emory's collection and the Clark Atlanta school has the MLK papers.

288 monkeytime  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:31:40pm

re: #251 Charles

A love note from a Coulter fan, referred here from Steve Gilbert's site (who falsely accused me of stealing his material, then sent abusive emails threatening to "expose" me as a "plagiarist" and boasting about all the connections he had):


Classy!


Dear Coulter Fan,
You know, the "Get your head out of your ass" argument used with the intention to change someone's mind about a certain idea or topic is successful about 0% of the time. Why not just tell someone you don't like to fuck off or STFU - DUMBASS.

289 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:31:55pm

re: #251 Charles

To quote Abbott and Costello freely ... "Who's on turd?"

290 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:32:34pm

re: #283 Eowyn2

Welcome to LGF (I've been off line for a few days so pay no attention to the hands of time) and thanks for the link. Mostly everyone stank in the early 1700s. no plumbing, no bathing (can you imagine what Queen Victoria smelled like?) Lots of perfume for the rich and the rest of us unwashed masses had to smell bad.

Erm - hate to be nit-picking, but Queen Victoria was about 150 years later - and they even had the first water closets ...

291 FrogMarch  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:32:39pm

drive by

Japanese Model is Not the Solution

Japan eventually spent $6.3 trillion building roads and bridges to nowhere on the exact same Keynesian theory that Obama says will save us. It is reasonable to ask then, how the Japanese are doing today:

no matter -the democrats know best. So we get pork and unions shoved down our throats.

292 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:32:41pm

re: #285 A Kiwi Infidel

If you come in on an "expedition" treaty, I can always hide you under my bed.

Dibbies on the linen press...:)

293 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:32:49pm

re: #276 yma o hyd

Now that I can not only understand - I can wholeheartedly agree with.

{Mandy}

I wonder sometimes if hard-core anarchists had trouble toilet-training.

294 dentate  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:33:07pm

re: #270 buzzsawmonkey

A "plagiarist?" On what grounds?

I mean, there is a lovely plage on the California coast, but still...

A plage on both your houses!

295 BigMoo  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:33:29pm

re: #279 ThinkRight
I've got my BHO commemorative coins, plates, glasses and pillow sham. Now waiting for my unicorn...

296 brookly red  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:33:31pm

re: #289 pre-Boomer Marine brat

To quote Abbott and Costello freely ... "Who's on turd?"

/I think it's the speaker of the house...

297 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:33:32pm

re: #280 quickjustice

You forgot to add that he expanded suffrage to everyone (save women and slaves) --which has led us to the near mob-rule we have today. It's one thing for the mob to vote itself bread and circuses, but we are in deep trouble when our leaders do it.

298 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:33:37pm

Obama Waffles on Afghanistan

[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

Despite his confident statements (lies?) on the campaign trail, Obama is now "questioning the timetable, the mission and even the composition of the new forces.

299 Eowyn2  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:33:37pm

re: #256 calcajun

And THAT'S why I don't go white-water rafting.

saw a bumper sticker a week or two ago

"paddle faster, I hear banjo music"

300 doppelganglander  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:33:48pm

re: #283 Eowyn2

Welcome to LGF (I've been off line for a few days so pay no attention to the hands of time) and thanks for the link. Mostly everyone stank in the early 1700s. no plumbing, no bathing (can you imagine what Queen Victoria smelled like?) Lots of perfume for the rich and the rest of us unwashed masses had to smell bad.

That's why, if I had to pick a historic period in which to live other than this one, I would choose Rome. At least everyone bathed frequently.

301 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:34:03pm

re: #293 MandyManners

I wonder sometimes if hard-core anarchists had trouble toilet-training.

Nah, toilet trained at gun point...

302 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:34:04pm

re: #293 MandyManners

I wonder sometimes if hard-core anarchists had trouble toilet-training.

They have never tried.

303 quickjustice  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:34:13pm

re: #238 Afrocity

Thanks! I have a huge Civil War book collection as well, of which the Virginia collection is a subset. One of the most interesting books is one by a Southern author, published in 1860, arguing that slavery was terrible for the Southern economy. He marshaled extensive evidence showing Southern economic decline under the slave economy, as contrasted with pre-war Northern economic growth.

304 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:34:27pm

re: #285 A Kiwi Infidel

If you come in on an "expedition" treaty, I can always hide you under my bed.

Do you have spiders in New Zealand?

305 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:34:47pm

re: #251 Charles

A love note from a Coulter fan, referred here from Steve Gilbert's site (who falsely accused me of stealing his material, then sent abusive emails threatening to "expose" me as a "plagiarist" and boasting about all the connections he had):

Classy!

Plagiarism, libel, defamation suits. You're gonna need a good lawyer, Charles. Be sure to get one who writes "Esq." after his name. The sign of quality!

*snicker*

306 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:34:54pm

re: #293 MandyManners

I wonder sometimes if hard-core anarchists had trouble toilet-training.

Must've - first, blame Mum, then blame the system, the rest is history ...

307 Adrenalyn  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:35:00pm

well, the rich trustfund brat that owns snowbomb.com
and who partners with ski resorts such as kirkwood
in the Sierras of California
is marketing this week as 0bama week
not Presidents week

www.snowbomb.com still has the prominent link up about his royal highness but kirkwood has toned theirs down to just being a "44$ buddy pass"

Kirkwood never replied to my emails about insulting half the country
but snowbrat did and he thinks it is funny and we should all just celebrate with him and his friends, and tough luck on the election

I'd be magnanimus in victory, not insulting
but the left knows no civility or tolerance

at least Kirkwood appears to be a bit worried about insulting the few people that have enough money to ski this season


/rant off

308 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:35:25pm
309 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:35:31pm

re: #284 Charles

The guy is a major nether orifice.

He should remember that urethra what you sow.

310 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:35:42pm

re: #293 MandyManners

I wonder sometimes if hard-core anarchists had trouble toilet-training.

I think it was because nobody wanted to organize a class.

311 NY Nana  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:36:08pm

re: #251 Charles

/Darn, you get all the good email.

312 JHW  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:37:02pm

re: #303 quickjustice

Was that Hinton Rowan Helper?

Hinton Rowan Helper (December 27, 1829-March 8, 1909) was a Southern US critic of slavery during the 1850s. In 1857, he published a book which he dedicated to the "nonslaveholding whites" of the South. The Impending Crisis of the South, written partly in North Carolina but published when the author was in the North, argued that slavery hurt the economic prospects of non-slaveholders, and was an impediment to the growth of the entire region of the South. The book, which was a combination of statistical charts and provocative prose, attracted little attention until 1859 when it was widely reprinted in condensed form by Northern opponents of slavery. Helper concluded that slavery hurt the Southern economy overall (by preventing economic development and industrialization), and was the main reason why the South had progressed so much less than the North (according to the results of the 1850 census). Helper spoke on behalf of the majority of Southern whites who of moderate means-- the Plain Folk of the Old South, who he said were oppressed by a small (but politically-dominant) aristocracy of wealthy slave-owners.

There are very few references to blacks in the book, and certainly slavery as an economic institution is denounced, not black people. It generated a furor in the South, where authorities banned its possession and distribution and burned copies that could be seized. Between 1857 and 1861 nearly 150,000 copies of the book were circulated, and in 1860 the Republican party distributed it as a campaign document. In December 1859 Democrats returning to Congress reacted with indignation because 68 Republicans had endorsed the book and planned to use it as campaign literature in the presidential election of 1860. The opponents blocked the election of Republican John Sherman as speaker because he had endorsed the book.
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313 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:37:02pm

re: #293 MandyManners

I wonder sometimes if hard-core anarchists had trouble toilet-training.

Doncha wonder if they suffer any cognitive dissonance from grouping themselves into organizations?

314 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:37:08pm

re: #293 MandyManners

I wonder sometimes if hard-core anarchists had trouble toilet-training.

I think they hold it in--being hard core and all.

315 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:37:17pm

re: #308 Iron Fist

When someone refers to themselves as a anarchist, I always want to kick them in the nuts, break off an appendage or two, and say "Damn right! Who needs rules?" Somehow I doubt they'd see the humor.

ROFLMAO!

316 Dave the.....  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:37:22pm

Afrocity, I've been meaning to hit some of the Presidential sites. Only been to Springfield (many years ago on a family trip with the parents) and Buchanan's home in Lancaster Pennsy. On my list: Hoover in Iowa and Coolidge in Vermont.

317 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:37:22pm

re: #304 MandyManners

Do you have spiders in New Zealand?


Only small ones. but you only find this little guy in the coastal sand dunes.

Oh, here you go, the perfect hideaway

318 Gella  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:37:24pm

re: #1 jester6

What do you think the carbon footprint was for Obama's Valentine's Day Date back in Chicago?

he doesnt have one, he better then Chuck Norris

319 BakaRanger  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:37:43pm

" The protest against the porkulus is on for President’s Day!

Date: Monday, February 16th
Time: 12:00 p.m. to 3:00 p.m.
Where: Westlake Park in downtown Seattle, 401 Pine St., in the open area by the big arch.

The idea is to use what we’ve learned about dissent over the last eight years. We need loud protests with lots noise and visuals. So, what should you bring?

Bring AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU CAN! Bring your families, your friends, neighbors, bring everyone!

Bring SIGNS! Get those craft making juices flowing and make signs and banners and pictures and paintings. Just imagine that you are a left-wing college student with nothing else to do and that should help you get started!

Bring something to sit on and appropriate clothing.

Most importantly, JUST BRING IT!"
******************************************

This was from Michelle Malkin's website a few days ago, anyone know if this event was/is successful?

320 horse  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:37:44pm

re: #9 opnion

If you get a chance, pisk up a copy of "His Excellency, George Washington" I believe that the author is David McCullough.
It is a great read & you gain such respect for the man.

My father-in-law gave that to me for Christmas a couple of years ago. Yes, great book; he comes across as a real approachable character. Sometimes we forget all the challenges and difficult situations he had to overcome all through his life.

321 Scion9  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:37:50pm

re: #3 Ford_Prefect

Opinion Poll:

Who was the most influential President?

I guess what you mean by most influential. As far as who has most drastically and permanently altered the course of the country, it would be Lincoln without a doubt.

322 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:37:53pm

re: #286 Iron Fist

I agree on Kennedy. Worked at his museum. That is a whole 'nother conversation. Lets just say that I went there being a Kennedy-phile , I left with a more realistic view (ahem). Joseph P. Kennedy used the "N" word....Yeah A LOT.

323 Eowyn2  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:38:05pm

re: #290 yma o hyd

Erm - hate to be nit-picking, but Queen Victoria was about 150 years later - and they even had the first water closets ...

Okay which one of your queens was bathed at birth, wedding, and death? Water closets came in the late late 1700s didn't they? and only for the very wealthy and forward thinkers. And another thing, what was the purpose of paniers?

324 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:38:13pm

re: #309 calcajun

He should remember that urethra what you sow.

I can't believe you'd prostate yourself down to that level.

325 AuntAcid  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:38:17pm

re: #220 A Kiwi Infidel

Mandy, you have such a way with words.

And I cannot join you all in celebrating Presidents Day, I will just have sit in the bleaches and make the occassional pithy, if not witty, comment.

Please don't let anything keep you from diving head first into the shallow end of the pool from up there 'cause this is turning out to be a slow day...so far.
"Go ahead, make my day."

326 gregg  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:38:32pm

re: #88 yma o hyd

As its that time of year again, and as we're listening to some fabulous natinal anthems again, what are your favourite national anthems?

That of your own country strictly excluded!

Here are my trhee favourites, in ascending order:

3) Poland

2)France

1)Italy

A couple to consider:

Uruguay
Japan

327 Viking6  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:38:33pm

re: #14 MandyManners

When will Obama Day come about?

According to the Moonbat calendar every day is Obama Day

//////puke

328 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:38:46pm

I would theorize about their breast-feeding experiences but some Lizards would turn it into a boob thread.

329 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:38:58pm

World Nut Daily (Via Fark) on Darwin....
For The Record: Darwin Vs. Liberals

330 Kragar  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:39:20pm

re: #291 FrogMarch

drive by

Japanese Model is Not the Solution

Japenese Models are the solution.

It just depends on the question

331 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:39:33pm

Just to get in a personal whine--we just had the second positive strep test in the house--the two oldest kids. In a twelve-month period, this makes cases #13 and 14.

We're going to get my daughter's tonsils out--I think we've learned that she has French army tonsils.

332 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:39:37pm

re: #317 A Kiwi Infidel

Only small ones. but you only find this little guy in the coastal sand dunes.

Oh, here you go, the perfect hideaway

How much? Oh, wow. I could live there. Screw electricity and running water.

333 Digital Display  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:40:06pm

re: #311 NY Nana

/Darn, you get all the good email.

I wonder if Charles gets the Russian mail order bride emails? Or Viagra for 4.00 a pill from Canada..
if Obama does one thing right..I hope he gets a world-wide ban on spam..

334 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:40:25pm

re: #323 Eowyn2

Okay which one of your queens was bathed at birth, wedding, and death? Water closets came in the late late 1700s didn't they? and only for the very wealthy and forward thinkers. And another thing, what was the purpose of paniers?

Not arguing about the 1700s, only about Queen Victoria, 1819-1901

335 Viking6  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:40:29pm

re: #310 subsailor68

Hi Sub, IMHO it is probably due to the argument over which hand to use.
/

336 Scion9  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:40:31pm

re: #321 Scion9

PIMF...should read: I guess that depends on what you mean...

337 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:40:34pm

re: #329 Killgore Trout

World Nut Daily (Via Fark) on Darwin....
For The Record: Darwin Vs. Liberals

I prefer Godzilla vs. Mothra

338 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:40:51pm

re: #328 MandyManners

I would theorize about their breast-feeding experiences but some Lizards would turn it into a boob thread.


In a flash, all puns intended

339 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:40:58pm

bbiab

340 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:41:02pm

re: #328 MandyManners

I would theorize about their breast-feeding experiences but some Lizards would turn it into a boob thread.

Now you are bringing up fond mammaries?

341 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:41:06pm

re: #328 MandyManners

I would theorize about their breast-feeding experiences but some Lizards would turn it into a boob thread.

Not so. We vigorously encourage the wholesome, but nipple in the bud.

342 ThinkRight  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:41:12pm

re: #328 MandyManners


boob thread.
Woohoo!

343 doppelganglander  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:41:48pm

re: #287 Afrocity

Thanks! I never heard of that place but the curator looks familiar. He is wearing the bow tie. All male curators do, but the girls are pretty eclectic. But we all wear glasses.

I will have to check it out. I have never been to Atlanta but I would love to see Emory's collection and the Clark Atlanta school has the MLK papers.

That is hilarious about the bow ties. Your mention of Emory made me take a look at their website. I knew they had Flannery O'Connor's papers, but the depth and breadth of their collection is astonishing. I mean, seriously, first editions of "Jane Eyre" and "Frankenstein?" James Weldon Johnson and Langston Hughes? Over 3,000 pamphlets and books from the French Revolution? Damn. If you come down, can I tag along?

344 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:41:53pm

re: #330 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Japenese Models are the solution.

It just depends on the question

You means statistical charts, new Toyotas or skinny Asian chicks?

345 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:41:57pm

re: #316 Dave the.....

LBJ and Reagan have the best presidential libraries. Skip Ford and Carter.
JFK is a nice one too--just be prepared for a sanitized version of his presidency. They won't talk about the assassination.

346 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:42:03pm

re: #308 Iron Fist

When someone refers to themselves as a anarchist, I always want to kick them in the nuts, break off an appendage or two, and say "Damn right! Who needs rules?" Somehow I doubt they'd see the humor.

Show them their humerus. That should help.

347 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:42:29pm

re: #345 Afrocity

LBJ and Reagan have the best presidential libraries. Skip Ford and Carter.
JFK is a nice one too--just be prepared for a sanitized version of his presidency. They won't talk about the assassination.

What about all JFK's women?

348 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:42:33pm

re: #308 Iron Fist

When someone refers to themselves as a anarchist, I always want to kick them in the nuts, break off an appendage or two, and say "Damn right! Who needs rules?" Somehow I doubt they'd see the humor.

When I lived in Germany, the big leftist fad in parenting was called antiautoritäre Erziehung - "anti-authoritarian upbringing".

One time a guy was standing in line at the supermarket checkout counter. In front was a woman with a three-year-old kid that kept pulling stuff out of her cart and throwing it around. Not only her cart, mind you, but whatever other stuff the kid could reach. The checkout worker politely asked the woman to curb her precious little one. No, said the mother, I believe in anti-authoritarian upbringing.

The guy stepped up to the woman's cart, took out a bottle of honey, opened it, and poured it over her head. "I was raised that way, too," he said.

349 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:42:40pm

re: #340 DaddyG

Now you are bringing up fond mammaries?

If there were an audio feed for this thread, you hear a titter run through the audience.

350 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:42:47pm

re: #332 MandyManners

How much? Oh, wow. I could live there. Screw electricity and running water.


We are about to build another "lodge" in a hunting spot about 40 minutes out of town. Remember, we are only a town of 40,000, so in 40 minutes you can get quite bushwhacked

351 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:42:52pm

re: #329 Killgore Trout

I had to watch it twice to get the nuance.

352 monkeytime  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:43:12pm

re: #347 Nevergiveup

What about all JFK's women?

I don't think there is enough room in the library.

353 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:43:13pm

re: #350 A Kiwi Infidel

We are about to build another "lodge" in a hunting spot about 40 minutes out of town. Remember, we are only a town of 40,000, so in 40 minutes you can get quite bushwhacked

Jethro?

354 Eowyn2  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:43:15pm

re: #334 yma o hyd

Not arguing about the 1700s, only about Queen Victoria, 1819-1901

I believe you there. I get queens mixed up. Please dont ask me about Henry's wives. So which queen am I thinking of?

355 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:43:32pm

re: #322 Afrocity

I agree on Kennedy. Worked at his museum. That is a whole 'nother conversation. Lets just say that I went there being a Kennedy-phile , I left with a more realistic view (ahem). Joseph P. Kennedy used the "N" word....Yeah A LOT.

Also made much of his money running booze during prohibition IIRC.

356 Harry Tuttle  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:43:36pm

re: #330 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Japenese Models are the solution.

It just depends on the question

Ah Japanese model thread, yum.

357 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:43:56pm

re: #341 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Not so. We vigorously encourage the wholesome, but nipple in the bud.

Areola gonna be keeping this punning up?

358 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:43:59pm

re: #346 CyanSnowHawk

Show them their humerus. That should help.

I'd prefer playing on their well-tempered clavicle.

359 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:44:02pm

re: #349 calcajun

If there were an audio feed for this thread, you hear a titter run through the audience.

That's it milk it for all its worth!

360 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:44:07pm

re: #334 yma o hyd

Not arguing about the 1700s, only about Queen Victoria, 1819-1901

Just for grins, I once tracked exactly how many of the countries fighting each other in WWI had her grandchildren or great-grandchildren as monarchs.

I'll see if I can find the list, but it includes Russia, England (obviously), Germany, Greece, Norway, Romania...

361 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:44:34pm

re: #357 subsailor68

Areola gonna be keeping this punning up?

Stop it. This is no lactating matter.

362 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:44:49pm

re: #337 calcajun

It's a very interesting approach I haven't seen before. I can't figure out if they're trying to convince liberals that Darwin is wrong or if they are trying to convince conservatives that liberals don't really believe in evolution. Maybe both.

363 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:44:49pm

re: #343 doppelganglander

It is a date. I may be there in May. I will also be in Virgina in June. If you can't wait till then, email me and I can hook you up with some archivists in Atlanta.
Ever thought about a career in it. It is fun and US news says it is one of the top 10 careers to look out for.

364 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:44:54pm
365 turn  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:44:56pm

re: #291 FrogMarch

drive by

Japanese Model is Not the Solution


no matter -the democrats know best. So we get pork and unions shoved down our throats.

Ha, I read that "pork and onions" at first. I kind of like the ring of that. Oh and quit complaining, he won.
/

366 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:45:04pm

re: #326 gregg

A couple to consider:

Uruguay
Japan

That of Uruguay is definitley a good'un!

Here's another:
New Zealand

367 Viking6  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:45:04pm

re: #357 subsailor68

I hope so I am so ready for "Fondling" Day

368 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:45:13pm

re: #354 Eowyn2

I believe you there. I get queens mixed up. Please dont ask me about Henry's wives. So which queen am I thinking of?


Catherine of Aragon
m. 1509 - 1533
Divorced

Anne Boleyn
m. 1533 - 1536
Executed

Jane Seymour
m. 1536 - 1537
Died

Anne of Cleves
m. 1540 Jan. - July
Divorced

Kathryn Howard
m. 1540 - 1542
Executed

Katherine Parr
m. 1543 - 1547
Widowed

369 bulwrk  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:45:38pm

re: #357 subsailor68

Areola gonna be keeping this punning up?

They'll milk it for all its worth.

370 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:45:45pm

re: #353 Nevergiveup

Jethro?

Cousin Jethro to you.......

And, what the heck.........

371 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:45:47pm

re: #352 monkeytime

I don't think there is enough room in the library.

Depends if they're laid end-to-end.

372 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:45:50pm

I refuse to call this day "Presidents Day". I call it "Washington-Lincoln Day".

373 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:45:55pm

re: #347 Nevergiveup

Are you kidding me? That place hides the fact that Jackie O smoked like a chimney.

374 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:46:05pm

re: #368 Dustyvet

Catherine of Aragon
m. 1509 - 1533
Divorced

Anne Boleyn
m. 1533 - 1536
Executed

Jane Seymour
m. 1536 - 1537
Died

Anne of Cleves
m. 1540 Jan. - July
Divorced

Kathryn Howard
m. 1540 - 1542
Executed

Katherine Parr
m. 1543 - 1547
Widowed

Yep...and remember the old way to remember em?

Divorce, beheaded, died. Divorced, beheaded, survived.

375 christheprofessor  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:46:32pm

Good afternoon, all...

I notice that the Biography Channel is broadcasting three separate episodes of "Biography" today -- one on Teddy Kennedy (twice), one on JFK (twice) and one on Barack Obama (three times, including back-to-back broadcasts at 4 and 5PM EST), in addition to their normal morbid "I Survived" and other homicide-type broadcasting...

Not sure if that has to do with it being Presidents' Day or not...

376 Cathypop  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:46:34pm

re: #351 Killgore Trout

I had to watch it twice to get the nuance.


I accidently down dinged you. Sorry.

377 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:47:05pm

re: #357 subsailor68

Areola gonna be keeping this punning up?

As long as we can stand the titillation.

378 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:47:09pm

re: #373 Afrocity

Are you kidding me? That place hides the fact that Jackie O smoked like a chimney.

So I guess I am safe to assume there are no "Greeks" bearing gifts in there?

379 quickjustice  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:47:10pm

re: #194 spacejesus

I mentioned Mt. Rushmore, which includes Teddy, as a great short list of our greatest Presidents, so quit your whining! ;-) Sagamore Hill, his summer home out on the north shore of Long Island, is worth a trip. Teddy won the Nobel Peace Prize for brokering the Treaty of Peace between Japan and Russia on the steps of that house. That's how he got his miniature suit of samurai armor, displayed in the house. He also received the Medal of Honor for the charge at San Juan Hill. He was a voracious reader, reading 3-4 book per day.

His first wife and his mother died the same day in NYC. In mourning, he left New York, and bought a cattle ranch in the Dakotas. After busting out there, he returned to New York. As Governor of New York, he was the scourge of corrupt GOP politicians. "We bought Roosevelt, but he wouldn't stay bought", said Henry Frick. That's why the GOP bosses arranged for his nomination as Vice President. It was a political dead end, and Roosevelt's political career, they thought, was finished.

When the President was assassinated, Theodore Roosevelt became President, and the worst fears of corrupt GOP politicians were realized.

380 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:47:26pm

re: #362 Killgore Trout

It's a very interesting approach I haven't seen before. I can't figure out if they're trying to convince liberals that Darwin is wrong or if they are trying to convince conservatives that liberals don't really believe in evolution. Maybe both.

Looked to me like he was saying, "Liberals are stupid because it's obvious that if evolution leads to belief in God."

/can you play it backwards?

381 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:47:36pm

re: #370 A Kiwi Infidel

Cousin Jethro to you.......

And, what the heck.........

Built-in flotation devices.

382 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:47:54pm

re: #354 Eowyn2

I believe you there. I get queens mixed up. Please dont ask me about Henry's wives. So which queen am I thinking of?

Queen Anne, so fat she had furniture named after her?

383 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:48:01pm
384 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:48:11pm

re: #377 pre-Boomer Marine brat

As long as we can stand the titillation.

Well, I pectoralis wish we'd never started this one, eh?

385 quickjustice  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:48:15pm

re: #312 JHW

Good detective work! I have the 1860 edition.

386 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:48:26pm

re: #366 yma o hyd

That of Uruguay is definitley a good'un!

Here's another:
New Zealand

The New Zealand National Anthem is actually a prayer which, thankfully, the last moonbat government had not clicked to or, if they had, didnt have the cojones to try to abolish it.

387 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:48:30pm

re: #368 Dustyvet

I love the House of Tudor. My fav King Henry wife is Kathryn Howard.

388 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:48:45pm

re: #376 Cathypop

I accidently down dinged you. Sorry.

Charles gave you the power to fix that. Upding him twice.

389 Cheechako  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:48:54pm

re: #105 BigAl

Here is a very interesting link...hold on to your wallet.

Stimulus Watch...

I checked the Alaska list. We do not have enough contractors available to complete even half the road projects. For example, up here we can only make asphalt from mid May to early September. It's just too cold the rest of the year.

I suspect the rest of the country is going to have the same problems. Not enough skilled and experienced contractors to do all the work.

390 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:49:03pm

re: #354 Eowyn2

I believe you there. I get queens mixed up. Please dont ask me about Henry's wives. So which queen am I thinking of?

Could've been one of those German ones - either those married to one of the Georges, or indeed one of Henry VIII's wives - Anne of Cleves?

391 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:49:10pm

re: #371 calcajun

Depends if they're laid end-to-end.

oh SHIT, my sides are HURTING!
:DDDDDDDDD

392 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:49:21pm

re: #377 pre-Boomer Marine brat

As long as we can stand the titillation.

Not ready to bag 'em yet?

394 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:49:29pm
I'll leave it to the proper investigative bodies to decide whether Roland Burris committed perjury last month in testimony before the Illinois House impeachment committee. From a strict legal perspective, maybe he didn't.

But I'll tell you straight up, our new U.S. senator proved himself to be a lying little sneak. - Mark Brown Chicago Sun-Times

395 Eowyn2  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:49:33pm

re: #368 Dustyvet

that's a lot of mothers-in-law.

396 turn  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:49:51pm

re: #298 Nevergiveup

Obama Waffles on Afghanistan

[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

Despite his confident statements (lies?) on the campaign trail, Obama is now "questioning the timetable, the mission and even the composition of the new forces.

I'm a bit more relieved to see it was Gibbs who made the comment and not Obama. At any rate O had to approve the recent missile strikes in Pakistan right? That gives me some hope he's committed to supporting the Afghanistan effort.

397 Scion9  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:49:56pm

re: #303 quickjustice

Thanks! I have a huge Civil War book collection as well, of which the Virginia collection is a subset. One of the most interesting books is one by a Southern author, published in 1860, arguing that slavery was terrible for the Southern economy. He marshaled extensive evidence showing Southern economic decline under the slave economy, as contrasted with pre-war Northern economic growth.

That isn't exactly true. The south's economy didn't 'decline'; it just couldn't keep up with the north. Their model was completely sustainable though. Despite the abolitionists propaganda, slavery is far from being not lucrative. It is nearly impossible not to be. The real comparison is between agrarian southern economies with slaves compared to a projection of what it would be like with a fully free workforce. The answer is it would have shut down all but the most successful operations.

It's unfortunate that so many abolitionists wrote so much about the 'failed' economy of the south regardless of their good intentions. Modern day neoconfederates use the argument that the war was unnecessary because slavery would have collapsed on its own as soon as the industrial revolution picked up steam in southern cities and facilitated a more capitalistic model.

All you would have wound up with is slaves working in factories and sweatshops instead of on plantations (which actually happened up north). Slavery is lucrative, which is why it started, in part why it lasted so long here, and why it is still going on today in many parts of the world.

398 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:49:59pm

re: #378 Nevergiveup

Nah, mostly stuff on the Cuban Missile Crisis, The Peace Corps...

399 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:49:59pm

re: #390 yma o hyd

Could've been one of those German ones - either those married to one of the Georges, or indeed one of Henry VIII's wives - Anne of Cleves?

Anne of Cleves
m. 1540 Jan. - July
Divorced

400 Dave the.....  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:50:02pm

Afrocity (and others), didn't I read something just recently that in the 1930's, Joe Kennedy was sympathetic to Nazi Germany?

Actually, if you like reading old primary sources, read American newspapers from between 09/01/39 and 12/07/41. It's amazing how pacifist America was. In the fall of 1939, Armistice day parades were canceled so we didn't get a pro-military impression as the war ramped up in Europe.

401 Adrenalyn  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:50:22pm

re: #375 christheprofessor

Good afternoon, all...

I notice that the Biography Channel is broadcasting three separate episodes of "Biography" today -- one on Teddy Kennedy (twice), one on JFK (twice) and one on Barack Obama (three times, including back-to-back broadcasts at 4 and 5PM EST), in addition to their normal morbid "I Survived" and other homicide-type broadcasting...

Not sure if that has to do with it being Presidents' Day or not...

grrrrr. President's Day is about Washington and Lincoln

the left is co-opting their own messiahs to diminish the real Presidents we should be celebrating
the founder of the country
and the one who held it together
(and ended slavery)

402 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:50:54pm

re: #387 Afrocity

The Tudors were Welsh & I believe we have several Welsh posters here including (I shall probably misspell it) Yma o hybd.

403 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:51:02pm
404 turn  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:51:15pm

re: #376 Cathypop

You can reverse it (just in case nobody mentioned this upthread)

405 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:51:28pm

re: #383 buzzsawmonkey

"You know, for a smart girl you make a lot of mistakes. You're going to need a good lawyer..."

--Everett Sloane's dying words after the Hall of Mirrors shootout in "Lady From Shanghai"

I liked him the Twilight Zone episode where he's haunted by a slot machine.

/frank-lin!

406 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:51:30pm

Yet Another Journalist Joins Obama Team

Chicago Tribune correspondent Jill Zuckman announced yesterday that she will join the Obama administration as assistant to Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood and director of public affairs.

"I'm excited about going to a department in the administration that's going to play a huge role in hopefully putting people back to work," Zuckman told the newspaper.

Zuckman becomes at least the fourth reporter to join the Obama administration. Others include former TIME Washington bureau chief Jay Carney who is now Vice President Biden's communications director, former Los Angeles Times reporter Peter Gosselin who is now a speechwriter for Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, and former Washington Post deputy editor Warren Bass who is an adviser to United Nations Ambassador Dr. Susan Rice.

407 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:51:36pm

re: #376 Cathypop

That's, ok. I'll survive.

408 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:51:38pm

re: #390 yma o hyd

Could've been one of those German ones - either those married to one of the Georges, or indeed one of Henry VIII's wives - Anne of ClevesCleavages?

409 Harry Tuttle  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:51:41pm

re: #393 Harry Tuttle

Kan. suspends income tax refunds, may miss payroll
Comments (67)
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By JOHN HANNA
Associated Press Writer

TOPEKA, Kan. - Kansas has suspended income tax refunds and may not be able to pay employees on time, the state's budget director said Monday.

The state doesn't have enough money in its main bank account to pay its bills, prompting Democratic Gov. Kathleen Sebelius to suggest transferring $225 million from other accounts throughout state government. But the move required approval from legislative leaders, and the GOP refused Monday.

Budget Director Duane Goossen said that without the money, he's not sure the state can meet its payroll. State employees are due to be paid again Friday.

Goossen said the state stopped processing income tax refunds last week.

Lets see what happens when the proles stop paying taxes.

Any bets they are trying to make a case to receive porkulus money? Isn't that how it works?

410 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:51:45pm

re: #329 Killgore Trout

World Nut Daily (Via Fark) on Darwin....
For The Record: Darwin Vs. Liberals

Good grief. What a complete load of horse puckey.

411 Digital Display  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:51:54pm

re: #357 subsailor68

Areola gonna be keeping this punning up?

What did you think of the sub accident today?
There had to be a joint op...just to close together...a zillion to one chance..But they were in the same op area.. There was some pretty bad mouthing of the sub drivers here this morning..most of it really funny..
But you know what..you make a modern sub so that NOTHING can hear it..period..no sound shorts is what the Navy calls it..Both were totally in silence..Bodes well for their growing technology..( they might consider communicating with a joint task force now and then..Just an idea)

412 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:51:57pm

re: #391 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You're welcome.

413 gregg  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:52:07pm

re: #366 yma o hyd

That of Uruguay is definitley a good'un!

Here's another:
New Zealand

The Uruguay and Japan anthems are definitely on the opposite ends of the spectrum (Uruguay is triumphant, Japan is solemn).

414 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:52:10pm

re: #360 EmmmieG

Just for grins, I once tracked exactly how many of the countries fighting each other in WWI had her grandchildren or great-grandchildren as monarchs.

I'll see if I can find the list, but it includes Russia, England (obviously), Germany, Greece, Norway, Romania...

The really amazing little bit of info I have is that Queen Victoria died in the arms of Emperor Willy, her grandson and favourite grandchild - something which Edward VII never forgave him.
Makes one glad that - with one exception - all those crowned heads have indeed bitten the dust of history.
Exception is our Queen - and she is indeed exceptional.

415 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:52:38pm

Netanyahu says will establish broad gov't

Does that mean he is gonna have Livni and other girls in it?

416 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:52:41pm

re: #377 pre-Boomer Marine brat

As long as we can stand the titillation.

I'm not sure that this kind of fixation is the breast approach.

417 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:52:45pm

re: #399 Dustyvet

Anne of Cleves
m. 1540 Jan. - July
Divorced

One of the lucky three.

418 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:52:48pm

re: #393 Harry Tuttle

Makes me glad to be living in a state that has a surplus to draw on.

419 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:53:02pm

By the way, Drake claimed California for Queen Elizabeth.

And called it New Albion.

420 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:53:08pm

re: #410 Charles

Good grief. What a complete load of horse puckey.

Which is why still like Godzilla vs. Mothara.

or, The Three Stooges vs. the Martians.

421 Viking6  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:53:15pm

re: #401 Adrenalyn

I couldn't agree more. As I have grown older it moved from two holidays, Washington's and Lincoln's birthdays, to just one. All in the name of expediency for the government. You know having to pay all those workers holiday pay....

422 quickjustice  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:53:44pm

re: #238 Afrocity

As for being a "nerd", you go, girl!

423 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:53:53pm

re: #416 Spare O'Lake

I'm not sure that this kind of fixation is the breast approach.

Sounds like someone is in his cups.

424 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:54:10pm

re: #377 pre-Boomer Marine brat

As long as we can stand the titillation.

It's such a fibrous tissue that we all enjoy discussing tit until lizards start ducting out of here to lobe the fat elsewhere.

425 christheprofessor  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:54:16pm

re: #401 Adrenalyn

grrrrr. President's Day is about Washington and Lincoln

the left is co-opting their own messiahs to diminish the real Presidents we should be celebrating
the founder of the country
and the one who held it together
(and ended slavery)

Yes, I know. Sort of the way they dropped the "Saint" from St. Valentine's Day...

426 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:54:23pm

re: #414 yma o hyd

The really amazing little bit of info I have is that Queen Victoria died in the arms of Emperor Willy, her grandson and favourite grandchild - something which Edward VII never forgave him.
Makes one glad that - with one exception - all those crowned heads have indeed bitten the dust of history.
Exception is our Queen - and she is indeed exceptional.

What are you going to do when you get to Prince learn-to-use-a-secure-phone?

427 jcm  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:54:32pm

re: #400 Dave the.....

Afrocity (and others), didn't I read something just recently that in the 1930's, Joe Kennedy was sympathetic to Nazi Germany?

Actually, if you like reading old primary sources, read American newspapers from between 09/01/39 and 12/07/41. It's amazing how pacifist America was. In the fall of 1939, Armistice day parades were canceled so we didn't get a pro-military impression as the war ramped up in Europe.

Ole' Joe got recalled by FDR from the Court of St. James (England) as Ambassador because of those sentiments.

Just before WWII with the clouds of War off both coast continuing the draft systems barely passed congress. Getting involved in another European war was not popular at all. After Japan attacked FDR had a problem still, how to assist England in the European Theater Hilter solved that by honoring the Axis treaty and declaring war on the US.

428 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:54:37pm

re: #416 Spare O'Lake

I'm not sure that this kind of fixation is the breast approach.

bon appeteat

429 AuntAcid  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:54:49pm

re: #357 subsailor68

Areola gonna be keeping this punning up?

...so is your little squirt going to be a semen too.

430 Eowyn2  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:54:53pm

re: #390 yma o hyd

I think it may have been one of the German ones. Not sure though

431 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:54:54pm

re: #400 Dave the.....

Afrocity (and others), didn't I read something just recently that in the 1930's, Joe Kennedy was sympathetic to Nazi Germany?

Actually, if you like reading old primary sources, read American newspapers from between 09/01/39 and 12/07/41. It's amazing how pacifist America was. In the fall of 1939, Armistice day parades were canceled so we didn't get a pro-military impression as the war ramped up in Europe.

I did some preservation work on JPK;s diaries from his days as Ambassador to Great Britain. They may be digitized ....then again scrap that if they are the pages will be edited. My take on it was that he was naive about the threat of Hitler. Joe did not get along with FDR or Churchill. The diary shows this.

432 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:54:59pm

re: #386 A Kiwi Infidel

The New Zealand National Anthem is actually a prayer which, thankfully, the last moonbat government had not clicked to or, if they had, didnt have the cojones to try to abolish it.

Its a beautiful anthem - and the tune is unforgettable.
(Yeah, ok, I do watch too much rugby ... one word, All Blacks)

433 Kragar  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:54:59pm

re: #356 Harry Tuttle

Ah Japanese model thread, yum.

Race Queens for everyone!

434 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:55:01pm

re: #424 CyanSnowHawk

It's such a fibrous tissue that we all enjoy discussing tit until lizards start ducting out of here to lobe the fat elsewhere.

I like the way you express yourself.

435 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:55:02pm

re: #380 wrenchwench

Looked to me like he was saying, "Liberals are stupid because it's obvious that if evolution leads to belief in God."

/can you play it backwards?

I had to watch it a few times to figure it out. They are saying that Muslims (who believe in god) are superior to the British (who are "Darwinists") and that's why the Muslims are taking over. WND doesn't tell you that about 80% of the British population are still Christians.

436 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:55:16pm
437 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:55:19pm
438 quickjustice  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:55:27pm

re: #368 Dustyvet

Singing: "I'm Henery the Eighth I am."

439 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:55:50pm

re: #431 Afrocity

I did some preservation work on JPK;s diaries from his days as Ambassador to Great Britain. They may be digitized ....then again scrap that if they are the pages will be edited. My take on it was that he was naive about the threat of Hitler. Joe did not get along with FDR or Churchill. The diary shows this.

Yeah but he got along with Lucky Luciano just fine?

440 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:55:51pm

re: #415 Nevergiveup

Netanyahu says will establish broad gov't

Does that mean he is gonna have Livni and other girls in it?

Lvini say she doesnt want to be part of it, although that was yesterday.

441 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:55:59pm

re: #323 Eowyn2

Okay which one of your queens was bathed at birth, wedding, and death? Water closets came in the late late 1700s didn't they? and only for the very wealthy and forward thinkers. And another thing, what was the purpose of paniers?

That would fit Queen Elizabeth Tudor, except she never married. They say as she grew older she just put new makeup over the old, so thick you could scrape it with a knife. And bathing was certainly a rarity in those days. Courtiers would keep a perfume-drenched handkerchief in their sleeves to apply to the nose when someone particularly stinky came around. That's the origin of the hankie sticking out of men's breast pockets, I once read.

Panniers were just another fashion oddity, I think. Like the Elizabethan collar.

442 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:56:00pm

re: #410 Charles

I didn't get it the first time through. The more I watch it, the more fascinating it becomes.

443 doppelganglander  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:56:29pm

re: #363 Afrocity

It is a date. I may be there in May. I will also be in Virgina in June. If you can't wait till then, email me and I can hook you up with some archivists in Atlanta.
Ever thought about a career in it. It is fun and US news says it is one of the top 10 careers to look out for.

Super. I don't even know enough about rare books and manuscripts to describe my interest as even a scholarly amateur, but I'd love to learn more. I already have a career that's going pretty well, but yours definitely sounds like more fun. My nic is blue if you'd like to email me.

444 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:56:53pm

re: #436 buzzsawmonkey

Don't forget Joe vs. the Volcano.

too modern and symbolic, though I liked Abe Vigoda's nuanced performance.

There's Frankenstein vs the Wolfman, too.

445 Kragar  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:57:10pm

re: #432 yma o hyd

Its a beautiful anthem - and the tune is unforgettable.
(Yeah, ok, I do watch too much rugby ... one word, All Blacks)

Thats 2 words, one word would be:

RACIST!

//

446 bolivar  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:57:23pm

Now for something totally different.

See on cnn (yes lower case is appropriate) that some fliers are upset with Northwest Airlines because they have begun serving peanuts again. Some are upset due to allergies and some the salmonella scare. The salmonella may have some legitimacy however the allergy thing is horse manure. If you are THAT allergic you should be in a bubble and not associate with others. Sorry, I should not have to (nor should the rest of society) change because of your supposed sensitivity. I am sorry you have the condition but, deal with it. I refuse to continue to bow down to any token minority who has an axe to grind.

/off the soapbox now - brickbats are acceptable however I am not going to tolerate peanut butter enemas - that is just a waste of good peanut butter

447 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:57:44pm

re: #158 Cato the Elder

O mistress mine, where are you roaming?
O stay and hear! your true-love’s coming
That can sing both high and low;
Trip no further, pretty sweeting,
Journeys end in lovers’ meeting—
Every wise man’s son doth know.

What is love? ’tis not hereafter;
Present mirth hath present laughter;
What’s to come is still unsure:
In delay there lies no plenty,—
Then come kiss me, sweet-and-twenty,
Youth’s a stuff will not endure

I've sung that!

448 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:57:52pm

re: #402 Ojoe

The Tudors were Welsh & I believe we have several Welsh posters here including (I shall probably misspell it) Yma o hybd.

You spelled that very well - just one little 'b' crept in where it doesn't belong! :-)))

Yep - the Tudors were Welsh, but preferred to rule all of the British Isles, traitors!

449 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:57:58pm

re: #402 Ojoe

The Tudors were Welsh & I believe we have several Welsh posters here including (I shall probably misspell it) Yma o hybd.

No need to worry, the Welsh are the last people that can justifiably complain when someone misspells one of their words.

450 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:58:15pm
451 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:58:23pm

re: #441 Cato the Elder

That would fit Queen Elizabeth Tudor, except she never married. They say as she grew older she just put new makeup over the old, so thick you could scrape it with a knife. And bathing was certainly a rarity in those days. Courtiers would keep a perfume-drenched handkerchief in their sleeves to apply to the nose when someone particularly stinky came around. That's the origin of the hankie sticking out of men's breast pockets, I once read.

Panniers were just another fashion oddity, I think. Like the Elizabethan collar.

I think she did have some kind of "marriage" ceremony in which she married herself to England. At least that's what I remember from the first Elizabeth movie starring Cate Blanchett.

452 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:58:27pm

re: #432 yma o hyd

Its a beautiful anthem - and the tune is unforgettable.
(Yeah, ok, I do watch too much rugby ... one word, All Blacks)


32 -6

453 jcm  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:58:55pm

re: #441 Cato the Elder

That would fit Queen Elizabeth Tudor, except she never married. They say as she grew older she just put new makeup over the old, so thick you could scrape it with a knife. And bathing was certainly a rarity in those days. Courtiers would keep a perfume-drenched handkerchief in their sleeves to apply to the nose when someone particularly stinky came around. That's the origin of the hankie sticking out of men's breast pockets, I once read.

Panniers were just another fashion oddity, I think. Like the Elizabethan collar.

Given the state of most water at the time, bathing could be hazardous to ones health. Water was seldom drunk, beer, wine, rum in water the alcohol killed the bus.

454 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:59:08pm

re: #354 Eowyn2

I believe you there. I get queens mixed up. Please dont ask me about Henry's wives. So which queen am I thinking of?

Maybe Queen Anne? Reign 8 March 1702 – 1 August 1714.

455 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:59:09pm

re: #424 CyanSnowHawk

It's such a fibrous tissue that we all enjoy discussing tit until lizards start ducting out of here to lobe the fat elsewhere.

Gland, just gland!

456 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:59:29pm

re: #402 Ojoe

The Tudors were Welsh & I believe we have several Welsh posters here including (I shall probably misspell it) Yma o hybd.

Wonderful speech from Henry V

FLUELLEN
Your majesty says very true: if your majesties is
remembered of it, the Welshmen did good service in a
garden where leeks did grow, wearing leeks in their
Monmouth caps; which, your majesty know, to this
hour is an honourable badge of the service; and I do
believe your majesty takes no scorn to wear the leek
upon Saint Tavy's day.

KING HENRY V
I wear it for a memorable honour;
For I am Welsh, you know, good countryman.

FLUELLEN
All the water in Wye cannot wash your majesty's
Welsh plood out of your pody, I can tell you that:
God pless it and preserve it, as long as it pleases
his grace, and his majesty too!

KING HENRY V
Thanks, good my countryman.

The Welsh are cool.

(Yeah, I know he wasn't a Tudor though.)

457 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:59:35pm

re: #438 quickjustice

Singing: "I'm Henery the Eighth I am."

Naughty...I resisted adding that...:)

458 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:59:37pm

re: #448 yma o hyd

You spelled that very well - just one little 'b' crept in where it doesn't belong! :-)))

Yep - the Tudors were Welsh, but preferred to rule all of the British Isles, traitors!

Not unlike the Stuarts later on. Scots that ruled all of the British Isles.

459 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 12:59:48pm

Sirius XM Creditors Would Seek to Oust Karmazin in Bankruptcy

[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

I'd hate to see them go under, but it sure don't look good.

460 jcm  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:00:19pm

re: #453 jcm

Given the state of most water at the time, bathing could be hazardous to ones health. Water was seldom drunk, beer, wine, rum in water the alcohol killed the bus.

pimf...
bugs...

461 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:00:20pm

re: #410 Charles

The video was produced through WND by joinden-dot-com. It's some kind of survivalist/new world order organization.

463 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:00:36pm

re: #426 EmmmieG

What are you going to do when you get to Prince learn-to-use-a-secure-phone?

We hope and pray that she will be as hardy and long-lived as her mum - who made it to 103 years! A lot can happen in that time ...

464 Harry Tuttle  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:00:38pm

re: #450 Iron Fist

Wow. That's bound to piss some people off. I know I'd raise hell if I didn't get my tax refund.

And why do they call it a tax refund anyway? It's not a TAX refund its an income refund, its your efing money.

465 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:00:54pm

re: #449 CyanSnowHawk

No need to worry, the Welsh are the last people that can justifiably complain when someone misspells one of their words.

You've never met the Welsh Plate tosser...:)

466 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:00:59pm

re: #424 CyanSnowHawk

It's such a fibrous tissue that we all enjoy discussing tit until lizards start ducting out of here to lobe the fat elsewhere.

Have you ever thought of switching from software to millinery?
As a bra seer, you'd be very uplifting to the masses.
(Not to mention that you just made a mountain out of a mole hill.)

467 quickjustice  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:01:03pm

re: #297 calcajun

It's a little harsh to blame Lincoln for all the modern problems of a failed electorate. Switching the election of U.S. senators to popular election was another huge step away from the original intent of the Framers. Enfranchising black people was the right thing to do, and it ensured Republican control of the South until the end of Reconstruction. Sadly, disenfranchising white Southerners (former Confederate soldiers) caused a harsh reaction, and the rise of the Klan.

We didn't make progress against Jim Crow until the 1960s, and even then, the problems persisted.

468 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:01:06pm
469 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:01:53pm

Coffee, BBIAW

470 Adrenalyn  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:01:54pm

re: #425 christheprofessor

Yes, I know. Sort of the way they dropped the "Saint" from St. Valentine's Day...

god that reminds me of something
ages ago in grammar school we used to put on plays for the parents every month

one year, the boys and I convinced the powers that be that February's play should be on the St. Valentines Day Massacre
complete with fake guns

man, we'd never get to do that in this day and age

471 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:01:55pm
472 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:02:01pm

re: #411 HoosierHoops

What did you think of the sub accident today?
There had to be a joint op...just to close together...a zillion to one chance..But they were in the same op area.. There was some pretty bad mouthing of the sub drivers here this morning..most of it really funny..
But you know what..you make a modern sub so that NOTHING can hear it..period..no sound shorts is what the Navy calls it..Both were totally in silence..Bodes well for their growing technology..( they might consider communicating with a joint task force now and then..Just an idea)

"Big Sea, Small Boat" is the nautical version of "Big Sky, Small Plane." The chance of this happening were very small, but not impossible.

473 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:02:13pm

re: #437 Iron Fist

I like it. I almost had to say something to a couple with a screaming brat just this past Sunday. People with kids are so inconsiderate of everyone around them. My Girlfriend was afraid there was going to be a fight, but I promised it would be a short one.

They left.


The little G's earned a quick trip to the car with a very steamed dad if they acted up in public. I rarely spanked - but it is amazing how quickly a tot can discover sitting in stony silence in the car is much less fun than being polite in public. I don't have much pity for parents who tune out their kids bratty behavior at the cost of others.

474 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:02:16pm

re: #439 Nevergiveup

Or at least he did call him a "n" or a "j"

475 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:02:27pm

re: #445 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Thats 2 words, one word would be:

RACIST!

//

I knew someone would pick that up!

:-)))

Kiwi Infidel can tell you all about them, teeheehee!

476 itellu3times  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:02:28pm

"I cannot tell a lie ..."

... and this guy grew up to become president? Must have been a loooong time ago!

477 Eowyn2  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:02:28pm

re: #450 Iron Fist

Wow. That's bound to piss some people off. I know I'd raise hell if I didn't get my tax refund.

what's a tax refund?

478 doppelganglander  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:02:42pm

re: #414 yma o hyd

The really amazing little bit of info I have is that Queen Victoria died in the arms of Emperor Willy, her grandson and favourite grandchild - something which Edward VII never forgave him.
Makes one glad that - with one exception - all those crowned heads have indeed bitten the dust of history.
Exception is our Queen - and she is indeed exceptional.


I like her because she looks amazingly like my mother. :) In all seriousness, though, is there any chance the crown will skip over Charles and go to William? He seems so much more sensible. Plus, he can emulate many recent American presidents by having a wacky brother who gets into all kinds of pointless scandals.

479 monkeytime  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:03:17pm

re: #450 Iron Fist

Wow. That's bound to piss some people off. I know I'd raise hell if I didn't get my tax refund.

Not to mention my paycheck. No need to worry Porkulous is Here!

We need a porkulous action figure with cape.

480 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:03:28pm

re: #411 HoosierHoops

What did you think of the sub accident today?
There had to be a joint op...just to close together...a zillion to one chance..But they were in the same op area.. There was some pretty bad mouthing of the sub drivers here this morning..most of it really funny..
But you know what..you make a modern sub so that NOTHING can hear it..period..no sound shorts is what the Navy calls it..Both were totally in silence..Bodes well for their growing technology..( they might consider communicating with a joint task force now and then..Just an idea)

Hi Hoops! Sorry, just saw your post. Yeah, it does seem strange. If this was a joint op (unless things have changed), each boat would have been assigned an area/depth to prevent this kind of thing. It sounds like a mis-communication somewhere. And, yeah, with the sound quieting programs, the first thing each boat heard was probably the thump.

481 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:03:52pm

Princess Caroline (the one who lost her battle to be queen) was a little whiffy.

482 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:03:56pm

re: #467 quickjustice

Wasn't blaming Lincoln--Jackson was the target of my scorn. He's the one that got the ball rolling downhill.

483 Taqiyyotomist  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:04:20pm

Afternoon, Lizards!
Just got my job back.
Woooooooooo
Hooooooooooooooo!

484 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:04:20pm

re: #474 Afrocity

Or at least he did call him a "n" or a "j"

He probably called him Sir

485 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:04:40pm

re: #481 EmmmieG

Princess Caroline (the one who lost her battle to be queen) was a little whiffy.

Caroline of Monaco?

486 jcm  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:04:42pm

re: #471 Iron Fist

Man, I keep trying to make my Girlfriend understand that I won't get sick as much if I can keep my blood alcohol levels high enough to kill off the bacteria...

I remember reading about alcohol consumption in the American colonies. The per-capita consumption of beer and rum was staggering (pun intended).

487 Eowyn2  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:04:44pm
488 Harry Tuttle  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:05:17pm

re: #483 Taqiyyotomist

Afternoon, Lizards!
Just got my job back.
Woooooooooo
Hooooooooooooooo!

Where'd you leave it?

489 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:05:28pm

re: #483 Taqiyyotomist

Afternoon, Lizards!
Just got my job back.
Woooooooooo
Hooooooooooooooo!

Congrats! Must be a HUGE relief.

490 jcm  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:05:39pm

re: #483 Taqiyyotomist

Afternoon, Lizards!
Just got my job back.
Woooooooooo
Hooooooooooooooo!

WOOT!

Congrats!

491 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:05:58pm

re: #449 CyanSnowHawk

No need to worry, the Welsh are the last people that can justifiably complain when someone misspells one of their words.

Complaining has got nothing to do with being justifiable!

We regard it as a deep slur on our nation, history, race, culture and language!
Totally disrespectful - deeply offensive - especially when it comes from that lot across the Bristol Channel!

492 JHW  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:05:59pm

re: #323 Eowyn2

re: #441 Cato the Elder

This is a pretty interesting book, printed 1856,down-loadable PDF.
Shakespeare's England;or Sketches of our Social History in the Reign of Elizabeth
Lots on how people lived, dressed ,ate .

493 Eowyn2  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:06:01pm

gotta go do some work.
might be back later
just to keep abreast of glandular tidings

494 quickjustice  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:06:19pm

re: #322 Afrocity

Jack Kennedy was a womanizer. He learned that from his daddy, Joseph, the bootlegger. And Irish Boston was never hospitable to black people. The draft riots in NYC resulted in multiple lynchings of black citizens, whom the Irish blamed for their forced service in the Union Army. To be polite, it was not a happy time.

495 Harry Tuttle  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:06:21pm

re: #486 jcm

I remember reading about alcohol consumption in the American colonies. The per-capita consumption of beer and rum was staggering (pun intended).

Back then the water would just as likely make you sick, that's one reason they made it into beer.

496 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:06:28pm

re: #471 Iron Fist

"Hot Wheel" cars (diecast zinc) were brought out partly because the sale of cowboy cap guns for boys (diecast zinc) were falling off. Late 1960s.

497 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:06:38pm

re: #468 buzzsawmonkey

The origin of the "Tudor hardtop," advertised today by so many automobile sellers.

Orange you smart!
/and with that, I'll Hanover it to you again.

498 Taqiyyotomist  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:06:45pm

re: #488 Harry Tuttle

Well, it was right where I left it. There was just some other guy doing it for a while.
re: #489 eschew_obfuscation

Indeed it is a relief. Spending all day reading LGF wasn't paying the rent!

499 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:06:51pm

re: #485 Sharmuta

Caroline of Monaco?

Wrong country. Caroline was married to the oldest son of George III. It was the last faithful marriage in history. It was rumored to have been consummated exactly three times, and they couldn't stand each other.

He refused to make her queen, including locking her out of the coronation--literally. Banging on the doors and all.

Their only daughter died, one of his brothers produced Queen Victoria, and there is history.

500 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:06:58pm

Hey, let's start rating the fictional Presidents! Who was the best movie President?

I vote for Merkin Mufley!

501 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:07:01pm

re: #452 A Kiwi Infidel

32 -6

24-25

One day we'll beat you. We've got Gatland ...

502 turn  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:07:02pm

re: #446 bolivar

I disagree bolivar, I'm one of the 10% of Americans who suffer from peanut allergies. This is no joke, people can actually die from this. I'm not that bad fortunately, but I would get totally plugged up on a flight where people were eating peanuts and this would lead to a huge pressure headache on decompression. I can tell you of more and one trip to the emergency room after having eaten only very small quantities of peanuts too. I"m going to go look up that 10% stat, I think I read that is about what it is at one time.

503 monkeytime  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:07:04pm

re: #483 Taqiyyotomist

Afternoon, Lizards!
Just got my job back.
Woooooooooo
Hooooooooooooooo!


! :>) !

504 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:07:07pm

re: #485 Sharmuta

Caroline of Monaco?

Caroline of the House of Kennedy

505 Cygnus  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:07:19pm

re: #136 yma o hyd

Oh noes!

So what are your favourite anthems then?

:-)

It's always fun to listen to our anthem and make bets on whether or not the singer can get that high note (the range is an octave and a fifth - yowsa!).

506 doppelganglander  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:07:21pm

May I point out how delightful it is that, in a single open thread, we can have serious discussions of both U.S. and British history conducted simultaneously by knowledgeable individuals, AND a boob pun thread. I love this place.

507 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:07:25pm

re: #491 yma o hyd

"Daffodil"


There you go.

508 Harry Tuttle  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:07:36pm

re: #498 Taqiyyotomist

Well, it was right where I left it. There was just some other guy doing it for a while.
re: #489 eschew_obfuscation

Indeed it is a relief. Spending all day reading LGF wasn't paying the rent!

Good for you then brother!

509 jcm  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:07:51pm

re: #486 jcm

I remember reading about alcohol consumption in the American colonies. The per-capita consumption of beer and rum was staggering (pun intended).

Speaking about beer....

Outrage brewing over proposed 1,900% beer tax hikeFive Oregon state lawmakers want to impose a hefty tax on beer and have introduced a bill that brewers say would cripple them.

Four Portland legislators joined a Springfield senator to introduce Oregon House Bill 2461, which would impose a $49.61 tax on each barrel of beer produced by Oregon brewers.

510 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:07:55pm

re: #491 yma o hyd

Complaining has got nothing to do with being justifiable!

We regard it as a deep slur on our nation, history, race, culture and language!
Totally disrespectful - deeply offensive - especially when it comes from that lot across the Bristol Channel!

Hi yma!

You're not by any chance from Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch are you?

If so, I think I'll stick with e-mailing.

;-)

511 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:07:56pm
512 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:08:00pm

re: #499 EmmmieG

That's why I asked- I wasn't sure who you were talking about. Thanks for clearing it up for me.

513 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:08:06pm

re: #506 doppelganglander

I read it for the serious discussions.

514 Digital Display  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:08:09pm

re: #480 subsailor68

Hi Hoops! Sorry, just saw your post. Yeah, it does seem strange. If this was a joint op (unless things have changed), each boat would have been assigned an area/depth to prevent this kind of thing. It sounds like a mis-communication somewhere. And, yeah, with the sound quieting programs, the first thing each boat heard was probably the thump.

Both commanders are gone...Funny how all our 688 subs followed the Russians around for years and they would never tell us where they were going..We just always found and followed them.. The US Navy is awesome..
/and we crash boat too..

515 jcm  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:08:45pm
516 Cygnus  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:08:46pm

re: #147 subsailor68

You should column up and see if he's interested.

Just scroll down for further details.

517 WhiteRasta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:08:55pm

re: #446 bolivar

Hear hear! There was a movement afoot recently to ban peanuts from the Air Canada Center in Toronto, because this woman claimed to be allergic to peanuts and she could not go to the games there.

Wah, wah wah. Cry me a river.

518 quickjustice  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:08:58pm

re: #432 yma o hyd

A bit of rugby history here, bring together the sport with the anti-aparteid protests of 1981: [Link: www.chuckthewriter.com...]

519 Eowyn2  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:09:10pm

re: #500 calcajun

Hey, let's start rating the fictional Presidents! Who was the best movie President?

I vote for Merkin Mufley!


Harrison Ford

520 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:09:21pm

re: #456 subsailor68

The leek is worn in the lapel of proper Welshmen and women on St David's Day - which is March 1st.
One can also wear the daffodil, the National flower of Wales ... and our native species usually flowers at that time.

521 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:09:23pm

re: #512 Sharmuta

That's why I asked- I wasn't sure who you were talking about. Thanks for clearing it up for me.

It's one of the more interesting parts of history. The British royal house has always been good for some great scandals.

Someday I will actually undertake to read a history of the French & Indian war. Someday.

522 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:09:34pm
523 Taqiyyotomist  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:09:37pm

re: #506 doppelganglander

May I point out how delightful it is that, in a single open thread, we can have serious discussions of both U.S. and British history conducted simultaneously by knowledgeable individuals, AND a boob pun thread. I love this place.

Yes, our cups truly runneth over.

524 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:09:45pm

re: #478 doppelganglander

is Victoria the one who sat by while the Russian Czar Nicholas and his family were assassinated? The family was Coburg I think and they were related that way.

525 doppelganglander  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:09:46pm

re: #497 pre-Boomer Marine brat

re: #468 buzzsawmonkey

The origin of the "Tudor hardtop," advertised today by so many automobile sellers.

Orange you smart!
/and with that, I'll Hanover it to you again.

And puns and history collide!

526 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:10:16pm
527 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:10:27pm

re: #502 turn

Let me know what you find on the 10% (please). I like to 'reasonability check' numbers like that. If one in ten people have that allergy, I'm surprised I don't know any who do.

Kinda like the assertion that one in six kids is autistic..... I don't buy it.

(sorry to hear about your condition :-(

528 VioletTiger  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:10:33pm

Here is something a bit odd....

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

"

New Artificial DNA Points to Alien Life
Monday, February 16, 2009


Print CHICAGO — A strange, new genetic code a lot like that found in all terrestrial life is sitting in a beaker full of oily water in a laboratory in Florida, a scientist said Saturday, calling it the first example of an artificial chemical system that is capable of Darwinian evolution.

The system is made of the four molecules that are the basic building blocks of our DNA along with eight synthetic modifications of them, said biochemist Steven A. Benner of the Foundation for Applied Molecular Evolution in Gainesville.

The main difference between the synthetic molecules and those that make up conventional DNA is that Benner's molecules cannot make copies of themselves, although that is just "a couple of years" away, he said.

"

529 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:10:36pm

re: #435 Killgore Trout

I had to watch it a few times to figure it out. They are saying that Muslims (who believe in god) are superior to the British (who are "Darwinists") and that's why the Muslims are taking over. WND doesn't tell you that about 80% of the British population are still Christians.

Don't forget the reeking homophobia. Man, that is one of the most twisted attacks on the theory of evolution I've ever seen.

If that guy writes his own stuff, he has a moron for an editor.

530 turn  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:10:38pm

re: #502 turn

It was more like 1% turn. None the less you would be surprised at how many people I've found out share the same affliction, and through casual conversation none the less.

531 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:10:50pm

re: #526 Cato the Elder

Thank you. Cool.

532 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:10:59pm

re: #483 Taqiyyotomist

Afternoon, Lizards!
Just got my job back.
Woooooooooo
Hooooooooooooooo!

congrats. do you work for Caterpillar in IL?

533 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:11:17pm
534 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:11:19pm

re: #524 Afrocity

is Victoria the one who sat by while the Russian Czar Nicholas and his family were assassinated? The family was Coburg I think and they were related that way.

I don't think so. They were killed at the end of WW1. I think the head of the English Royal Family then was a King.

535 itellu3times  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:11:26pm

re: #483 Taqiyyotomist

Afternoon, Lizards!
Just got my job back.
Woooooooooo
Hooooooooooooooo!

congratulations!

had you misplaced it?

536 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:11:27pm

re: #527 eschew_obfuscation

I am allergic to tree nuts and peanuts.

537 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:11:31pm

re: #458 Honorary Yooper

Not unlike the Stuarts later on. Scots that ruled all of the British Isles.

Yeah - and they've been at it again, since 1997! And look what a mess they've made this time, sigh ...

(Yep, both Tony Blair and Gordon Brown are Scotsmen born and bred. Not many people know this ...)

538 BigMoo  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:11:41pm

Happy President's Day everyone (though I'm working). I was just grabbing a quick bite between Conference calls when Fox News was reporting on CA's looming $46 BILLION deficit. What a bloody tragedy-a perfect example of an apathetic electorate standing by as their 'leadership' rode them into the toilet...

539 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:11:57pm
540 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:11:59pm

re: #520 yma o hyd

The leek is worn in the lapel of proper Welshmen and women on St David's Day - which is March 1st.
One can also wear the daffodil, the National flower of Wales ... and our native species usually flowers at that time.

Yes...that's one of my favorite speeches from Shakespeare. When you hear Kenneth Branagh and Ian Holm deliver it, well it kinda brings tears to my eyes anyway.

541 quickjustice  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:12:02pm

re: #256 calcajun

But I whitewater raft. North Fork of the Salmon River. The best float ever.

542 gregg  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:12:03pm

re: #509 jcm

Outrage brewing over proposed 1,900% beer tax hike. Five Oregon state lawmakers want to impose a hefty tax on beer and have introduced a bill that brewers say would cripple them.

I know that lizards don't talk about revolution, but could an exception be made in this case?

543 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:12:05pm

re: #529 Charles

Don't forget the reeking homophobia. Man, that is one of the most twisted attacks on the theory of evolution I've ever seen.

If that guy writes his own stuff, he has a moron for an editor.

It could very well be both.

544 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:12:08pm

re: #468 buzzsawmonkey

The origin of the "Tudor hardtop," advertised today by so many automobile sellers.

And when Henry VIII had his Queen killed it was a veritable Tudor Coupe.

545 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:12:10pm

re: #520 yma o hyd

The leek is worn in the lapel of proper Welshmen and women on St David's Day - which is March 1st.
One can also wear the daffodil, the National flower of Wales ... and our native species usually flowers at that time.

Is March 1st the only day when you folks take a leek?
How do you hold it for so long?

*duck*

546 Catttt  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:12:12pm

re: #410 Charles

Good grief. What a complete load of horse puckey.

First five comments on Fark thread:

This gentleman is clueless... it's remarkable, I would have to assume that this is some sort of a joke

/I choose to believe this is a joke
//please let this be a joke...

I'm sorry, I tried, really hard to watch all the way through.
I couldn't make it.

Ow. I hurt my brain trying to follow that.

Stupid.

547 Taqiyyotomist  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:12:13pm

re: #532 Afrocity

Oh, heck no, I'm just a dishwasher.

548 turn  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:12:21pm

re: #517 WhiteRasta

Hear hear! There was a movement afoot recently to ban peanuts from the Air Canada Center in Toronto, because this woman claimed to be allergic to peanuts and she could not go to the games there.

Wah, wah wah. Cry me a river.

If the shoe were on the other foot ?

549 monkeytime  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:12:27pm

re: #532 Afrocity

congrats. do you work for Caterpillar in IL?

lol!

550 Harry Tuttle  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:12:30pm

re: #511 Iron Fist

It is a refund, though. It's like if you bought a car, and they charged you more for it than they were supposed to, and they refunded the extra when they discovered it when they were going over the books or something. It is the result of an overcharge, but I've always tried to set my withholdings to enough that I'm owed money back. The reason for that is simple: while the Governemnt is essentially stealing the intrest on a couple of grand for a couple of months, it is better than getting a bill for a couple of grand that I owe them.

But I'd raise holy hell if they didn't give me back the money they owed me at the end of the year.

They are the govt, it can't be stealing.

People might pay more attention to their government if they had to pay the bill like they do any other 'normal' bill.

551 Catttt  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:12:43pm

re: #483 Taqiyyotomist

Afternoon, Lizards!
Just got my job back.
Woooooooooo
Hooooooooooooooo!

WOOT! Awesome!

552 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:12:45pm

re: #541 quickjustice

Just beware of the banjo music...

553 quickjustice  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:12:52pm

re: #520 yma o hyd

What about that Red Dragon?

554 VioletTiger  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:13:03pm

re: #483 Taqiyyotomist

Afternoon, Lizards!
Just got my job back.
Woooooooooo
Hooooooooooooooo!

Hurrah!

555 abaleh  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:13:22pm

re: #483 Taqiyyotomist

Afternoon, Lizards!
Just got my job back.
Woooooooooo
Hooooooooooooooo!

That's great!

556 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:13:24pm

re: #478 doppelganglander

I like her because she looks amazingly like my mother. :) In all seriousness, though, is there any chance the crown will skip over Charles and go to William? He seems so much more sensible. Plus, he can emulate many recent American presidents by having a wacky brother who gets into all kinds of pointless scandals.

No constitutional chance - unless he abdicates, after his mother's death, because of his own grand age.
Fat chance, I'd say - unless Camilla makes him do it ..

557 Scion9  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:13:30pm

re: #482 calcajun

Wasn't blaming Lincoln--Jackson was the target of my scorn. He's the one that got the ball rolling downhill.

That ball was already rolling, Jackson just signed the papers.

558 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:13:32pm

re: #491 yma o hyd

Complaining has got nothing to do with being justifiable!

We regard it as a deep slur on our nation, history, race, culture and language!
Totally disrespectful - deeply offensive - especially when it comes from that lot across the Bristol Channel!

I've got no real complaints with a people that can produce Eve Myles.

559 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:13:51pm

re: #525 doppelganglander

And puns and history collide!

And wars arose!

560 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:13:53pm

re: #534 Nevergiveup

George V was King then.

561 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:14:44pm

Back to work for me

562 jcm  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:14:46pm

re: #542 gregg

I know that lizards don't talk about revolution, but could an exception be made in this case?

Porkzilla won't do it.... but a beer tax just might!
Priorities, don't ya know!
///////

563 Cygnus  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:14:47pm

re: #169 SpaceJesus

what does congradulations mean?

'Congratulations on your graduation.'

564 turn  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:14:53pm

re: #522 buzzsawmonkey

So to you, George Washington Carver is a figure to recall with horror rather than respect?

Ha! Congrats on the 40,000 buzz. When turn gets to 40,000 karmas he is going to trade them in on a wheelchair.

565 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:15:05pm

re: #536 Afrocity

I am allergic to tree nuts and peanuts.

I'm quite the opposite. Tree nuts and peanuts are one of the main food groups for me. There are days I get compared to a squirrel.

566 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:15:18pm

re: #561 Ojoe

Bye Ojoe

567 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:15:38pm

re: #529 Charles

Nice production values though.

568 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:15:51pm

re: #524 Afrocity

is Victoria the one who sat by while the Russian Czar Nicholas and his family were assassinated? The family was Coburg I think and they were related that way.

George V

1910-36

569 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:16:18pm

re: #536 Afrocity

I am allergic to tree nuts and peanuts.

O.K...... now I know two. Cool! (well, not cool that you have allergies).

570 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:16:26pm

re: #559 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And wars arose!

"A whore! A whore! My kingdom for a whore!"

"Ah, Mr. Clinton, that's 'horse'."

"Oh."

571 Digital Display  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:16:28pm

re: #547 Taqiyyotomist

Oh, heck no, I'm just a dishwasher.

That's awesome..Was worried about you for awhile...You are very smart Taq....kind regards

572 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:16:28pm
573 doppelganglander  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:16:38pm

re: #524 Afrocity

is Victoria the one who sat by while the Russian Czar Nicholas and his family were assassinated? The family was Coburg I think and they were related that way.

Victoria was dead by then. That was during George V's reign and I'm not sure what he really could have done about it. I know Nicholas was a cousin to both Kaiser Wilhelm and George. I'll have to ask my husband, who knows a lot more about Russian history than I do.

574 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:16:50pm

re: #510 subsailor68

Hi yma!

You're not by any chance from Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysilio gogogoch are you?

If so, I think I'll stick with e-mailing.

;-)

You're in luck, I'm not!
I'm from simple Cardiff, which is only the Capital of Wales. And the majority here speaks English as native tongue, in spite of what the Welsh Language Fascists want to impose on us.

575 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:16:57pm

re: #563 Cygnus

'Congratulations on your graduation.'

Gee, you're thinking far ahead, aren't you.

576 WhiteRasta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:17:03pm

re: #548 turn

I can see peanuts being banned on aircraft and enclosed spaces, but to expect everyone to cater to one person's allergy is ridiculous.

I dislike this tyranny of the minority thing I see going on all the time these days.

577 jcm  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:17:18pm

Corporate madness.....

Company annual reviews are due Wednesday afternoon.
They just announced the computer system for submitting the reviews...
Will be down for maintenance.... Wednesday afternoon.....

I see a Dilbert out of this.

578 Harry Tuttle  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:17:21pm

re: #569 eschew_obfuscation

O.K...... now I know two. Cool! (well, not cool that you have allergies).

50% of my children have Autism. (That's one of the two).

579 BigMoo  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:17:36pm

re: #570 subsailor68

Pfffffffffffffffft- just spit my diet pepsi on the screen.
LMAO

580 gregg  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:17:38pm

re: #562 jcm

Porkzilla won't do it.... but a beer tax just might!
Priorities, don't ya know!
///////

Plus, an Oregon Beer Party sounds a lot more fun than a Boston Tea Party.

581 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:17:39pm

re: #520 yma o hyd

The leek is worn in the lapel of proper Welshmen and women on St David's Day - which is March 1st.
One can also wear the daffodil, the National flower of Wales ... and our native species usually flowers at that time.

Waving! Another Welshman over here!

Or at least a Celtic mutt.

My favorite Welshman is Humphry Davy. Saved more lives than you can count with his lamp.

582 Taqiyyotomist  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:17:48pm

re: #571 HoosierHoops

Thanks Hoosier, and all the rest of ya's. (Happy happy happy!)

583 lifeofthemind  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:17:49pm

Just for fun I put this in the spin off links. What Theo Spark would call an Ahhh
Baby giraffe birth.

[Link: link.brightcove.com...]

584 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:17:57pm

My estimate of British Christians was a little high....
CIA Factbook


Christian (Anglican, Roman Catholic, Presbyterian, Methodist) 71.6%, Muslim 2.7%, Hindu 1%, other 1.6%, unspecified or none 23.1% (
585 itellu3times  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:18:47pm

re: #329 Killgore Trout

World Nut Daily (Via Fark) on Darwin....
For The Record: Darwin Vs. Liberals

God bless the Internut, that we get to see such enlightenment. It's an interesting point, tho, that libs have doctrinal problems with Darwin more openly, and arguably more sensibly, then do (religious wingnut) conservatives.

586 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:19:03pm

Gotta go, Lizards - that pocket housewolf of mine is getting veeery twitchy!

Seeya tomorrow, all being well.

587 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:19:05pm

re: #570 subsailor68

"A whore! A whore! My kingdom for a whore!"

"Ah, Mr. Clinton, that's 'horse'."

"Oh."

york york york !

/which one of the Three Stooges was it?

588 quickjustice  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:19:19pm

re: #482 calcajun

Jackson was definitely a populist. He may have invented pork-barrel politics. The political slogan, "To the victors go the spoils", was definitely created by Jackson's Democratic Party.

As the current "Stimulus" bill demonstrates, Democrats continue to assiduously follow that slogan.

589 LionofDixon  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:19:36pm

Massive government spending will stimulate the economy.
We are at war with EastAsia...we have always been at war with EastAsia.
Barney Frank eagerly awaits SI's swimsuit edition.
Roland Burris is the epitome of integrity and truthfulness.

ad infinitum

590 turn  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:19:49pm

re: #527 eschew_obfuscation


Had that wrong eschew. I didn't do a huge search but by the titles of the hits on yahoo 1-2% appears about right.

OT, I'm using yahoo now because my goggle got corrupted. Every search using google redirects me to some virus scan site or other web-based marketing outfits. The search comes back with what looks to be the real results but the links are all redirected. Anybody ....

591 NonNativeTexan  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:19:56pm

re: #574 yma o hyd

You're in luck, I'm not!
I'm from simple Cardiff, which is only the Capital of Wales. And the majority here speaks English as native tongue, in spite of what the Welsh Language Fascists want to impose on us.

Is the snow gone yet?

592 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:20:01pm

re: #578 Harry Tuttle

50% of my children have Autism. (That's one of the two).

I'm sorry to hear that. Is it the 'banging the head on the wall' kind or a milder form? (if that's not too personal)

593 godfrey  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:20:07pm

re: #584 Killgore Trout

Hi KG. Statistics can be misleading. As dhimmitude falls like darkness over the British Isles, minorities have influence disproportionate to their actual numbers.

594 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:20:11pm

re: #577 jcm

Corporate madness.....

Company annual reviews are due Wednesday afternoon.
They just announced the computer system for submitting the reviews...
Will be down for maintenance.... Wednesday afternoon.....

I see a Dilbert out of this.

Classic!

595 songbird  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:20:31pm

re: #578 Harry Tuttle

50% of my children have Autism. (That's one of the two).

25% of my children have Asbergers Syndrome.

596 abaleh  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:20:47pm

I'm allergic to peanut farmers.
Maybe I can get a ban on them coming to the Middle East and spewing their narcissistic gibberish.

597 ArmyWife  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:21:13pm

Good afternoon all. How goes it in Lizard Land?

598 Taqiyyotomist  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:21:21pm

I didn't comment at all on the Ann Coulter thing, but I read the posts. Wow. I do remember, quite distinctly, saying here a week (less?) ago when the Spencer thing broke..."oh, great, who's next? Rush? Hannity?" I think I predicted "another one" within 2 weeks.

Nope. Coulter. I wonder...has the Spencer or Coulter stories hit the LeftStream Media? And if not, why not? Not an election year anymore?

599 Cygnus  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:21:32pm

re: #332 MandyManners

How much? Oh, wow. I could live there. Screw electricity and running water.

But you would get taxed up the wazoo for the view.

600 Optimizer  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:21:33pm

re: #20 Alouette

Every day is now Obama Day. What did you do to celebrate today?

To avoid a TMI situation, let's just say the number "two" was involved.

601 BigMoo  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:21:35pm

re: #596 abaleh
I can feel the love.

602 turn  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:21:36pm

re: #542 gregg

I know that lizards don't talk about revolution, but could an exception be made in this case?

Hell yes. Only good thing to come out of that would be turn would go back to brewing his own beer for sures.

603 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:21:52pm

re: #574 yma o hyd

You're in luck, I'm not!
I'm from simple Cardiff, which is only the Capital of Wales. And the majority here speaks English as native tongue, in spite of what the Welsh Language Fascists want to impose on us.

There's a soft spot in my heart for Wales. My dad was stationed in Britain during WWII. He met a girl named Olivia - from Cardiff. At the end of the war he came home and married my mother - rather than go with his heart.

Years later, he and mother had divorced, and he found out that Olivia was a widow. He was ill at the time, and Olivia came to California to visit him. They decided to get married, and she went back to Wales to make arrangements.

Unfortunately, he died while she was in Wales. But, in all my life, I'd never seen him happier than while Olivia was with him.

God bless the Welsh!

604 godfrey  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:21:54pm

re: #597 ArmyWife

ArmyWife! Things are winding down where I am, after a long day of being wound up!

605 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:22:08pm

re: #590 turn

Had that wrong eschew. I didn't do a huge search but by the titles of the hits on yahoo 1-2% appears about right.

OT, I'm using yahoo now because my goggle got corrupted. Every search using google redirects me to some virus scan site or other web-based marketing outfits. The search comes back with what looks to be the real results but the links are all redirected. Anybody ....

That makes sense given that there are two right here on this thread at this time.

I've gone completely to ASK.COM unless I get a really tricky technical problem.... then I'll resort to Google..... I just don't like their politics.

606 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:22:14pm
607 quickjustice  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:22:15pm

re: #573 doppelganglander

The key fact is that Queen Victoria of England originated the defective gene that caused hemophilia. It passed throughout the royal families of Europe, including the Russian Royal family. It may have brought down the Romanov Dynasty.

608 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:22:31pm

re: #592 eschew_obfuscation

I'm sorry to hear that. Is it the 'banging the head on the wall' kind or a milder form? (if that's not too personal)

11.1% of my children were head-bangers.

609 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:22:47pm

re: #585 itellu3times

I'm still a little confused about who he is trying to reach; Conservatives who already hate Darwin or is he trying to convince liberals that Darwin is wrong?
Either way he's using social Darwinism which has nothing to do with Darwin's theory of evolution.

610 godfrey  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:22:50pm

re: #607 quickjustice

Link?

611 abaleh  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:22:59pm

re: #524 Afrocity

is Victoria the one who sat by while the Russian Czar Nicholas and his family were assassinated? The family was Coburg I think and they were related that way.

If I'm not mistaken the Czarina was a grand-daughter of Victoria, and the spoken language in the Russian royal family at the time was English.

612 jorline  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:23:37pm

Hey Charles...you left the door open.

Long registration today...Is everyone playing nicely?

613 jcm  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:23:38pm

re: #607 quickjustice

The key fact is that Queen Victoria of England originated the defective gene that caused hemophilia. It passed throughout the royal families of Europe, including the Russian Royal family. It may have brought down the Romanov Dynasty.

BIO-WAR!

614 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:24:22pm

re: #593 godfrey

Hi KG. Statistics can be misleading. As dhimmitude falls like darkness over the British Isles, minorities have influence disproportionate to their actual numbers.

I shudder to think what this will do to the language. Heretofore English has been ta wonderful amalgam of latin, danish, german & french along with a few charming celtic remants. But what comes next ... ?

615 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:25:10pm

re: #598 Taqiyyotomist

I wonder...has the Spencer or Coulter stories hit the LeftStream Media? And if not, why not? Not an election year anymore?


I don't think the MSM really wants to make a big deal out of it because they are more than happy to keep these conservative nuts (like Buchanan) around.

616 jcm  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:25:10pm

re: #614 unreconstructed rebel

I shudder to think what this will do to the language. Heretofore English has been ta wonderful amalgam of latin, danish, german & french along with a few charming celtic remants. But what comes next ... ?

ALLAH SNACKBAR!

617 Harry Tuttle  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:25:20pm

re: #606 Iron Fist

100% agreed. I've thought they ought to make the income tax thing a monthly bill just like your mortgage. Well, more than your mortgage for most people (it is for me). I don't think it'd last an entire four-year term before people were out hanging congresscritters.

Egg-zacktly.

618 lifeofthemind  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:25:46pm

Regarding the Royals, everyone was descended from Victoria who was from a minor German noble family (Sax-Coburg-Gotha) related to the English Crown. Before 1870 Germany was just a geographic term for an area with dozens of little principalities and kingdoms. The English had killed off their Plantagent line (The French Normans) in the War of the Roses and then evicted their Stuart line, who came from Scotland, in the Civil Wars, after a few more relatives of the Scots, William Mary and Ann, the Hanoverians came over. They (George I through IV) were descended from a long ago King of Scotland. Isn't that easy?

Do you want the long course? I charge more for it.

619 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:25:49pm
620 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:25:56pm

re: #616 jcm

ALLAH SNACKBAR!

Already? .... Gah!

621 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:26:02pm

re: #597 ArmyWife

Good afternoon all. How goes it in Lizard Land?

Pretty well. We were busy discussing how much we like George Washington when Mandy kicked off a boob thread and ran away. Now we're talking about the Welsh and peanuts.

622 quickjustice  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:26:03pm

Here's the link between Queen Victoria and hemophilia:

[Link: www.essortment.com...]

623 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:26:11pm

re: #574 yma o hyd

You're in luck, I'm not!
I'm from simple Cardiff, which is only the Capital of Wales. And the majority here speaks English as native tongue, in spite of what the Welsh Language Fascists want to impose on us.

Why do you call them fascists, Yma? I thought it was pretty cool last time I was in Wales to see Welsh-language soap operas on Channel Three.

And you wouldn't want Welsh to go the way of Cornish and Manx, would you?

624 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:26:15pm

re: #573 doppelganglander

I heard that Britain could have done something to help. Allowed them to live there in exile or something like that. By the time they acted, it was too late.
From Wiki:

In January 2008, Russian scientists announced that the charred remains of a young boy and a young woman found near Ekaterinburg in August 2007 were most likely those of the thirteen-year-old Tsarevich and one of the four Romanov grand duchesses. Russian forensic scientists confirmed on April 30, 2008 that the remains were those of the Tsarevich Alexei and one of his four sisters.

WOW. this case still blows my mind.

625 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:26:32pm

re: #574 yma o hyd

You're in luck, I'm not!
I'm from simple Cardiff, which is only the Capital of Wales. And the majority here speaks English as native tongue, in spite of what the Welsh Language Fascists want to impose on us.

Can one turn a profit living in Wales?, asked Jonah.

626 ArmyWife  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:26:53pm

re: #604 godfrey

Well good! I need to catch up on the goings on. I stayed home today, but have been trying to put things back in my new kitchen. Taking everything out was easier!

627 itellu3times  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:27:33pm

re: #609 Killgore Trout

I'm still a little confused about who he is trying to reach; Conservatives who already hate Darwin or is he trying to convince liberals that Darwin is wrong?
Either way he's using social Darwinism which has nothing to do with Darwin's theory of evolution.

It has long been a liberal doctrine, tho not much in the news lately, that there are NO inherited characteristics, because you see, we are all created equal. This is anti-Darwinist in a big way.

Just how this video is attempting to move from there towards God (eg, morality), escapes me totally.

628 Taqiyyotomist  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:27:37pm

turn

Sounds like you have a bad piece of spyware/adware. An idea: try to run Spybot-Search&Destroy, a free program I've been using for years. Installs easy. Update first, like you would an antivirus program. Immunize next. Check for errors (spyware) Fix Errors.

629 JustABill  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:27:42pm

re: #295 BigMoo

I've got my BHO commemorative coins, plates, glasses and pillow sham. Now waiting for my unicorn...

Turn around, drop your pants, and bend over...

630 ArmyWife  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:27:48pm

re: #621 CyanSnowHawk

Yes, I could see how one would lead right to the other!

631 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:27:52pm

They're melting down all over the place on the 2nd Coulter thread, by the way.

632 opnion  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:28:07pm

A very wise Roman circa 50 BC warned of societal disaster as the populce lost it's work ethic & became dependent on the Government.
A very unwise President today is creating the situation that Cicero warned of.

633 lifeofthemind  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:28:31pm

re: #607 quickjustice

The key fact is that Queen Victoria of England originated the defective gene that caused hemophilia. It passed throughout the royal families of Europe, including the Russian Royal family. It may have brought down the Romanov Dynasty.

Victoria or one of her ancestors had the mutation. We can't say for certain it actually happened with her. We just know that her children inherited it.

634 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:28:32pm

re: #631 Charles

We're going to need more popcorn.

635 turn  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:28:49pm

re: #576 WhiteRasta

I can see peanuts being banned on aircraft and enclosed spaces, but to expect everyone to cater to one person's allergy is ridiculous.

I dislike this tyranny of the minority thing I see going on all the time these days.

No and I think it would ridiculous too, yes the enclosed spaces only. I've grown up through the school of hard knocks when it comes to being able to spot foods with peanuts or peanut butter. When I was a young boy I learned to avoid Hershey's chocolate even though it doesn't have any peanuts. Years later I found out why, they recycled the chocolate from what dripped of peanut candies and made "pure" chocolate bars from that. Can you imagine how little there must have been in the drippings when diluted with new chocolate? Food packagers have since stopped this practice and have even gone to the extreme measure of listing if a food is simply packaged in a plant that peanuts are also handled in, so it is a serious and deadly affliction.

636 Harry Tuttle  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:28:49pm

re: #592 eschew_obfuscation

I'm sorry to hear that. Is it the 'banging the head on the wall' kind or a milder form? (if that's not too personal)

Um no and no it's not.

637 SummerSong  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:29:07pm

re: #82 Walter L. Newton

I would PAY someone if I was able to get up in front of him tomorrow and GUSH like that 30 year old McDonald employee.

I'm 56 and I want to know, face to face, from his lip, who his stimulus package will help me get a full time programming job.

I could make him SO uncomfortable.

And get my 15 minutes on Ophrah.

McDonald's is a very successful global corporation. Perhaps that 30 year old should have focused on his opportunities.

638 ArmyWife  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:29:10pm

I am saddened by the Coulter thing. I've enjoyed her writing - agree she gets over the top. But I have zero patience for racism in any form. Even less for those who attempt to justify the unjustifiable.

639 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:29:18pm

re: #631 Charles

They're melting down all over the place on the 2nd Coulter thread, by the way.

I thought I heard the fight theme from Star Trek playing somewhere close.

640 godfrey  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:29:20pm

re: #614 unreconstructed rebel

I'm not worried about words like "curry." English is what it is because it has been completely omnivorous. That is why it is so useful and powerful: like successful creatures, it absorbs, adapts, and extends.

641 turn  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:29:26pm

re: #605 eschew_obfuscation

That makes sense given that there are two right here on this thread at this time.

I've gone completely to ASK.COM unless I get a really tricky technical problem.... then I'll resort to Google..... I just don't like their politics.

Who else?

642 itellu3times  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:29:57pm

re: #618 lifeofthemind

I wish I knew that stuff, but there just seems no hook in my brain that will hold onto it.

643 Taqiyyotomist  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:30:01pm

turn:
Spybot Search&Destroy 1.6.2

That may be the solution. It's all I got. :)

644 jcm  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:30:05pm

Procurement Charlie Fox.

Obama Confronts a Choice on Copters

President Obama has slammed high-flying executives traveling in cushy jets at a time of economic turmoil. But soon he will have to decide whether to proceed with some of the priciest aircraft in the world — a new fleet of 28 Marine One helicopters that will each cost more than the last Air Force One.

A six-year-old project to build state-of-the-art presidential helicopters has bogged down in a contracting quagmire that will challenge Mr. Obama’s desire to rein in military contracting expenses. The price tag has nearly doubled, production has fallen years behind schedule and much of the program has been frozen until the new administration figures out what to do about it.

[snip]

The Pentagon awarded a contract in 2005 to Lockheed Martin, even though it had never built helicopters, reasoning that a three-engine model produced by its British-Italian partner, called the EH-101, provided a useful foundation.
645 BigMoo  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:30:15pm

re: #629 JustABill
Ah, and I was saving that for Tax Day...

646 Digital Display  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:30:32pm

re: #582 Taqiyyotomist

Thanks Hoosier, and all the rest of ya's. (Happy happy happy!)

I am so happy for you...It had to be the Goddess's prayer list...I'm telling you..It works..
Here is the background on the list.. One day the list evolved from digital to a printed copy.. ( I'm not saying who)
The very power of that copy drove men to madness for it's very power..Soon a secret sect of the Catholic church sent the knights of the Templars on Friday the 13th to steal it and store it like the Arc of the Covenant..But they were foiled by the militant wing of the goddessoftheclassroom religious sect and held the list for randsom until a call from the UN interceded for the List...and it was saved.../For a mere 10 million and a Somalian highjacked Oil frieghter to be named later...Sans crew.

647 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:30:34pm

re: #632 opnion

A very wise Roman circa 50 BC warned of societal disaster as the populce lost it's work ethic & became dependent on the Government.
A very unwise President today is creating the situation that Cicero warned of.

Was that the guy that said a democracy will not live much past the time its populace figured out that they can get money from the government?

648 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:30:40pm

re: #631 Charles

They're melting down all over the place on the 2nd Coulter thread, by the way.

Are they being liquidated?

649 WhiteRasta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:30:52pm

re: #614 unreconstructed rebel

Leftist Quackspeak comes next. It's happening right now look how many newspapers call fishermen "fishers". There are now chairpersons and various other idiotic references to English words.

One of the most annoying things I have seen and heard lately is the pluralizing of words that have no plural.

Childrens, behaviours, geographies, starvations, genocides etc are but a few examples of the bastardization of English.

Usually by some leftist pseudo intellectual.

650 Taqiyyotomist  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:32:25pm

re: #646 HoosierHoops

LOL! I thought I was a conspiracist. I'll be sure and thank GoTC when I see her, too. Oh yeah, that's been on my mind.

651 JHW  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:32:30pm

re: #640 godfrey

I'm not worried about words like "curry." English is what it is because it has been completely omnivorous. That is why it is so useful and powerful: like successful creatures, it absorbs, adapts, and extends.

Japanese is another language comfortable with borrowing foreign words, can be funny at times when they butcher them.

652 opnion  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:32:40pm

re: #638 ArmyWife

I am saddened by the Coulter thing. I've enjoyed her writing - agree she gets over the top. But I have zero patience for racism in any form. Even less for those who attempt to justify the unjustifiable.

You know, I agree with that. She is very smart & witty. If only she would stick to baiting Liberals & leave all this race & other nutty stuff alone.

653 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:33:37pm

re: #644 jcm

Procurement Charlie Fox.

Obama Confronts a Choice on Copters

So is the "One" leading by example? Air Force One now a single engine Piper Cub...:)

654 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:34:04pm

Well all, it's been great, but must go. Hope everyone has a wonderful evening!

655 Empire1  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:34:15pm

re: #502 turn

I disagree bolivar, I'm one of the 10% of Americans who suffer from peanut allergies. This is no joke, people can actually die from this. I'm not that bad fortunately, but I would get totally plugged up on a flight where people were eating peanuts and this would lead to a huge pressure headache on decompression. I can tell you of more and one trip to the emergency room after having eaten only very small quantities of peanuts too. I"m going to go look up that 10% stat, I think I read that is about what it is at one time.

According to what I just found in this study, it's currently about 1.5 million people in the US with peanut allergies. With about 305 million people in the country, that's roughly 0.5%, if my math is right.

656 opnion  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:34:21pm

re: #647 CyanSnowHawk

Was that the guy that said a democracy will not live much past the time its populace figured out that they can get money from the government?

That is an excellent question. I don't believe that Cicero said that, but I bet somebody on this thread knows who did.
Was it Edmund Burke?

657 BigMoo  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:34:46pm

re: #653 Dustyvet

So is the "One" leading by example? Air Force One now a single engine Piper Cub...:)

Hot Air Balloon...self propelled.

658 WhiteRasta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:34:55pm

re: #651 JHW

Check out [Link: engrish.com...] for a laugh....

659 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:35:20pm

re: #657 BigMoo

Hot Air Balloon...self propelled.

That'll work...:)

660 Scion9  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:35:21pm

re: #588 quickjustice

Jackson was definitely a populist. He may have invented pork-barrel politics. The political slogan, "To the victors go the spoils", was definitely created by Jackson's Democratic Party.

That slogan is in reference to the spoils system. Jackson may have been the first national populist, but in reality he was the first partisan. By his view Washington had become hopelessly corrupt with professional civil servants who were unelected and 'served' for life (sound familiar?).

When elected he pretty much fired them all and brought in entirely new people. The Pendleton Act reversed the spoils system to the one we had more or less before Jackson. We now have a class of civil servants who are hired under "non-partisan" standards, which look surprisingly like the kind of "bipartisanship" that we see in Congress.

The idea that an incoming administration be able to have full say over every federal bureaucracy that is nominally under their control right down to the employment standards is a great idea. That the POTUS can appoint the head of a bureaucracy, but then that appointee is incapable of firing anyone or setting the standards of new hires is just damned ridiculous.

661 Cygnus  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:35:33pm

I'm going to a job interview this afternoon. Wish me luck/pray for me!

662 Taqiyyotomist  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:36:10pm

I stopped reading Coulter (like I used to, each new column on Townhall) a while ago. She joined the moneyclub that is FOXNews, Hannity, all those self-promoters in that clique. I like content, not just contentious. It gets old, the Molly Ivins schtick.

663 godfrey  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:36:13pm

re: #661 Cygnus

Good luck, Cygnus. I hope it goes well.

664 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:36:25pm

Okay i have to weigh in on the peanut allergy.

We the people who are not able to eat peanuts are not out there to ruin your fun.

When I was coming up in the 70's these rigid rules were not in place, hell I did not have an Epi-pen until I was 22. My mother educated me and I knew what to eat and not to eat. The problem was that the teachers never took my allergy seriously and often cross contaminated or kids would share lunch with kids and the lunch would have peanuts on celery or something like that. This is why Peanuts are banned from school.

Honestly I have had more nut reactions as an adult than I did as a child because chefs have gone nut crazy--- putting them on green beans, in tuna salad, in quesadillas, as sauce thickener, and things that you do not expect to find nuts in. All I ask is that if a dish has nuts tell me. I usually will always ask a waiter but a cafeteria should have all the ingredients and NOT CROSS CONTAMINATE. No making me nutless cookies in the same pan you made the almond cookies in. Marble slab has to mix my ice cream separately. A guy cannot kiss me after he has eaten peanut butter.

This has been my life. The airplane ban has to do with air circulation. Peanut dust makes my throat itch.

Off soap box.

Thank you and I will take the Milky Way instead of the Plain M&M's( which have nuts in them by the way)(and so does the nutless flavors of Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream and all Godiva Chocolate.)

665 BigMoo  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:36:26pm

re: #661 Cygnus

VERY best of luck.

666 songbird  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:36:33pm

re: #661 Cygnus

I'm going to a job interview this afternoon. Wish me luck/pray for me!

Prayers lifted for you!

667 GGMac  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:36:55pm

Hey, Lizards - hope everyone's having a good day, and here's one for the smiles column:

A new cocktail: 2 shots of Grey Goose vodka,

add a splash of water....


the "SULLY"!

668 Taqiyyotomist  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:37:02pm

re: #661 Cygnus

WILL DO!

669 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:37:25pm

re: #613 jcm

BIO-WAR!

Notice how we were talking about "Deliverance" earlier. Gee, can't we get off the in-breeding theme here.

670 godfrey  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:37:47pm

re: #662 Taqiyyotomist

Who has the time to read all this stuff, anyway? I can barely keep up with the dozen regular sources I read.

671 ArmyWife  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:38:01pm

re: #658 WhiteRasta

That's funny. I watched Team America last night with my husband - not my movie of choice, mind you, but if puppet porn makes him laugh, who am I to judge, right? Whatever makes him happy. The Engrish reminded me of the Kim Jong Il charecter.

672 turn  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:38:12pm

re: #628 Taqiyyotomist

turn

Sounds like you have a bad piece of spyware/adware. An idea: try to run Spybot-Search&Destroy, a free program I've been using for years. Installs easy. Update first, like you would an antivirus program. Immunize next. Check for errors (spyware) Fix Errors.

Thanks taq, but I already stumped the IT guy at work on this one. He did the spyware check and fortunately it came up empty. He started the old fashion way by poking around in the registry and came up with some string &rls.com that appeared to be doing it. He flushed out all the lines with that but it still didn't fix the problem. He researched on the web all afternoon on Friday and still can't figure it out.

673 Cygnus  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:38:20pm

Thanks all. BBL.

674 opnion  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:38:23pm

re: #661 Cygnus

I'm going to a job interview this afternoon. Wish me luck/pray for me!



Don't leave without asking for the job & sell yourself. The interviewer wants someone who wants it. Good luck!

675 quickjustice  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:38:32pm

re: #451 Alouette

Queen Elizabeth I deliberately branded herself the "virgin" queen, which is why she applied the layers of white makeup. It made her resemble the statues of the Holy Virgin worshiped by Catholics. (Hence the U.S. state named "Virginia" in her honor.) She was a Protestant Anglican, and a fierce enemy of the Catholic Church, which spent much of its time trying to murder or usurp her with relatives such as Mary Queen of Scots.

This was back when beheading was the execution of choice for the English nobility.

676 godfrey  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:38:34pm

re: #671 ArmyWife

A "Wife of Noble Character," that's what you are.

677 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:38:43pm

re: #641 turn

Who else?

I think it was Afrocity, post 536

678 turn  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:38:46pm

re: #643 Taqiyyotomist

turn:
Spybot Search&Destroy 1.6.2

That may be the solution. It's all I got. :)

Thanks, I'll tell IT it was recommended.

679 ArmyWife  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:38:54pm

re: #661 Cygnus

Best of luck to you! Don't forget to ask questions at the end. HR people like that (but not "how much will I make", save that for the 2nd interview).

680 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:39:05pm

re: #656 opnion

That is an excellent question. I don't believe that Cicero said that, but I bet somebody on this thread knows who did.
Was it Edmund Burke?

There's also this quote:

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: 'From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.'"

- Alexander Fraser Tytler (1747–1813)

IIRC, he was writing a history of the decline and fall of the Roman Empire at the time.

681 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:39:08pm

re: #667 GGMac

A new cocktail: 2 shots of Grey Goose vodka...

Grey Goose = very expensive engine de-greaser. Stuff tastes like floor cleaner.

682 doppelganglander  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:40:09pm

re: #618 lifeofthemind

Regarding the Royals, everyone was descended from Victoria who was from a minor German noble family (Sax-Coburg-Gotha) related to the English Crown. Before 1870 Germany was just a geographic term for an area with dozens of little principalities and kingdoms. The English had killed off their Plantagent line (The French Normans) in the War of the Roses and then evicted their Stuart line, who came from Scotland, in the Civil Wars, after a few more relatives of the Scots, William Mary and Ann, the Hanoverians came over. They (George I through IV) were descended from a long ago King of Scotland. Isn't that easy?

Do you want the long course? I charge more for it.

I thought Victoria was a Hanover and Prince Albert was a Saxe-Coburg-Gotha (hence the name, which was changed to Windsor in 1917 by George V).

683 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:40:11pm

Getting back to Queen Elizabeth I

She was known, in her day, for her fastidious cleanliness.

"I take a bath once every 3 months whether I need it or not"

684 jcm  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:40:11pm

re: #653 Dustyvet

So is the "One" leading by example? Air Force One now a single engine Piper Cub...:)

LOL! I'm cutting BHO a break on this one. The current VH-3's are 25 years old, and the SAM threat to them is getting more serious. I'd put this one on the Five Sided Wind Tunnel. Going with Lockheed, no helo history, and the typical procurement FUBARs.

The damn air tanker fleet is 50 damn years old, the newest KC-135 airframe was delivered in '65. They have been farting around with that for years.

685 albusteve  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:40:22pm

I had a dear childhhood friend who had asthma and an allergy to peanuts...after college he was in Mexico and his folks and brother went to visit him....they asked in a cafe about the cooking oils but there was some mixup...he ate some chicken and fell over dead right there...shit happens

686 songbird  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:40:27pm

re: #681 calcajun

Grey Goose = very expensive engine de-greaser. Stuff tastes like floor cleaner.

Could probably be used for that......if you had some money to blow.

687 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:40:50pm

re: #649 WhiteRasta

Leftist Quackspeak comes next. It's happening right now look how many newspapers call fishermen "fishers". There are now chairpersons and various other idiotic references to English words.

One of the most annoying things I have seen and heard lately is the pluralizing of words that have no plural.

Childrens, behaviours, geographies, starvations, genocides etc are but a few examples of the bastardization of English.

Usually by some leftist pseudo intellectual.

Unwarranted Pluralizings?

/

688 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:40:55pm

re: #683 A Kiwi Infidel

Getting back to Queen Elizabeth I

She was known, in her day, for her fastidious cleanliness.

"I take a bath once every 3 months whether I need it or not"


And you talk about Caroline being "whiffy"

689 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:41:26pm

Must away lizards,

BBL

690 WhiteRasta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:41:27pm

re: #664 Afrocity

OK, then. I'm sorry if my previous remark seemed callous. My apologies.

691 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:41:32pm

re: #680 subsailor68

Again, the study of history is a study of basic human nature. Until human nature changes, we will always need to study history. Anyone who tells you different wants to put you and yours in a re-eduction center.

692 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:41:55pm

re: #655 Empire1

According to what I just found in this study, it's currently about 1.5 million people in the US with peanut allergies. With about 305 million people in the country, that's roughly 0.5%, if my math is right.


Natures way of thinning the herd.

/

693 godfrey  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:41:57pm

re: #683 A Kiwi Infidel

Hanging around Walsingham, I can see why.

694 ArmyWife  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:42:23pm

re: #676 godfrey

ha!

695 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:42:25pm

re: #675 quickjustice

Queen Elizabeth I deliberately branded herself the "virgin" queen, which is why she applied the layers of white makeup. It made her resemble the statues of the Holy Virgin worshiped by Catholics. (Hence the U.S. state named "Virginia" in her honor.) She was a Protestant Anglican, and a fierce enemy of the Catholic Church, which spent much of its time trying to murder or usurp her with relatives such as Mary Queen of Scots.

This was back when beheading was the execution of choice for the English nobility.

Before Mary died, Elizabeth's prospects for survival were a bit dicey. Indeed, Mary had Elizabeth's godfather (Archbishop Cramner) burned at the stake.

696 godfrey  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:42:34pm

Any infamous interview stories out there?

697 Digital Display  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:42:44pm

re: #671 ArmyWife

That's funny. I watched Team America last night with my husband - not my movie of choice, mind you, but if puppet porn makes him laugh, who am I to judge, right? Whatever makes him happy. The Engrish reminded me of the Kim Jong Il charecter.

That movie was wicked funny..But once was enough..
South Park had a few classic moments in cartoon history..The Saddam and Hitler scenes were all time fav's..

698 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:42:57pm

re: #685 albusteve

I had a dear childhhood friend who had asthma and an allergy to peanuts...after college he was in Mexico and his folks and brother went to visit him....they asked in a cafe about the cooking oils but there was some mixup...he ate some chicken and fell over dead right there...shit happens

I am very careful in foreign countries. I am not as sensitive as him but if he was that sensitive he should have had an Epi-pen. I carry bendadryl for severe reactions.

699 WhiteRasta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:43:19pm

re: #667 GGMac

That's very funny!

700 godfrey  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:43:21pm

re: #697 HoosierHoops

Are they taking on imams?

701 NY Nana  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:43:28pm

re: #333 HoosierHoops

...if Obama does one thing right..I hope he gets a world-wide ban on spam..

Anything and everything The One has done and will do is lefty....or worse.

/He might put a world-wide ban on saying anything right about him.

702 opnion  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:43:29pm

re: #680 subsailor68

There's also this quote:

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: 'From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.'"

- Alexander Fraser Tytler (1747–1813)

IIRC, he was writing a history of the decline and fall of the Roman Empire at the time.

That is the quote. Interestiing that he was talking about Rome as Cicero did.

703 lifeofthemind  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:43:32pm

re: #682 doppelganglander

I thought Victoria was a Hanover and Prince Albert was a Saxe-Coburg-Gotha (hence the name, which was changed to Windsor in 1917 by George V).

Correct, I was attempting to simplify so I went for the marriage family name to elide Prince Albert who was in a can. Well done.

704 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:43:47pm

re: #686 songbird

The stuff just tastes bad. Paying a lot of money for something that causes discomfort is not something I want to do.

705 Taqiyyotomist  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:44:10pm

re: #672 turn

I once had to delete a virus/worm that someone got. It wrote a LOT of lines to the "hosts" file, a notepad-editable file with no extension (its just called hosts, no .txt), and this one file and the lines in it kept me from browsing to ANY site about viruses. It blocked all the McAfee sites, all the Norton sites, AVG, and just about 60 or so tech-forum sites, effectively keeping me from even doing any research on this worm.

Search for "hosts" and ask your IT guy if that might be something to consider.
It should be in C:WINDOWSSystem32driversetc

Just another idea.

706 albusteve  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:44:33pm

re: #698 Afrocity

I am very careful in foreign countries. I am not as sensitive as him but if he was that sensitive he should have had an Epi-pen. I carry bendadryl for severe reactions.

this was 1974...if that makes a difference...he used those inhalers I remember

707 kansas  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:44:40pm

re: #653 Dustyvet

So is the "One" leading by example? Air Force One now a single engine Piper Cub...:)

Air Force One and Marine One are for communication and protection of a President. I don't see where being in touch with Obama means much. This rush the porkulus only to delay passage while using more scare tactics and talking down the economy.......well can anyone even imagine if O had been in office during the Sept 11th attacks?

708 Elcid  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:44:57pm

Hey Zombie!

Think you've been exposed (well, not that way)

709 GGMac  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:45:15pm

re: #681 calcajun

Grey Goose = very expensive engine de-greaser. Stuff tastes like floor cleaner.


Curious isn't, the tastes of some foods? To me, Swiss cheese has a slight flavor of soap --

710 Digital Display  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:45:25pm

Turn? Computer issues? What is the problem?

711 songbird  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:45:40pm

re: #704 calcajun

The stuff just tastes bad. Paying a lot of money for something that causes discomfort is not something I want to do.

Vodka is not my drink of choice by a long shot. Give me a nice drink with rum!

/says the former sailor's wife

712 turn  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:45:46pm

re: #655 Empire1

According to what I just found in this study, it's currently about 1.5 million people in the US with peanut allergies. With about 305 million people in the country, that's roughly 0.5%, if my math is right.

Thanks Empire, I'll do diligence on this later. BTW that article mentioned a sensitization to peanut oil. I've found out I'm good with most peanut oils although I don't make a habit out of using them or eating foods that contain them. Something in the refining process must filter out the proteins that get me. Oh and just one more peanut factoid, the peanut is not a nut it is part of the legume (pea) family which explains why turn can eat every nut he runs across just as long as they aren't packaged with peanuts.

713 ThisisMatt  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:45:50pm

re: #9 opnion

The writer of the book is Joseph Ellis, but don't let that stop you. It is an excellent book.

714 ArmyWife  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:46:25pm

re: #696 godfrey

I'm an HR Manager, I have a ton. Some of the things people say floor me. Seriously.

I am not seeking a new position, but I have interviewed for a job at the White House recently (turned it down, the salary didn't even come close to what I make, and as fun as it would have been, bills to pay, bills to pay). I am interviewing for another role Wednesday - my old supervisor went to this company recently and he is begging me to come aboard. It will involve a move to the Richmond area - any Lizards live there?

715 jcm  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:46:28pm

re: #710 HoosierHoops

Turn? Computer issues? What is the problem?

He's computer has a virus.....
WINDOWS!


*Apple guy ducks & runs*

;-)

716 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:46:37pm

re: #698 Afrocity

I am very careful in foreign countries. I am not as sensitive as him but if he was that sensitive he should have had an Epi-pen. I carry bendadryl for severe reactions.

My oldest daughter went through allegy testing after being referred for some suspicious reactions. The tests came out so severe and with allergies to so many things the doctor walked straight from the lab with a prescription for an epi-pen and told us to fill it on the way home.

717 turn  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:46:41pm

re: #661 Cygnus

I'm going to a job interview this afternoon. Wish me luck/pray for me!

Good luck with that!

718 capitalist piglet  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:46:59pm

Don't know if it's been mentioned, but there's a rare opportunity to register at HotAir right now. A/P could probably use a few more friendly people there.

719 Taqiyyotomist  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:47:05pm

Ok, I'm out. Later, Lizardim.

720 GGMac  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:47:07pm

re: #699 WhiteRasta

That's very funny!


Not original - Shep Smith on FOX did a bit on it a while ago. I guess some bartender came up with the idea - and yes, it's great.

721 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:47:19pm
722 opnion  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:47:44pm

re: #713 ThisisMatt

The writer of the book is Joseph Ellis, but don't let that stop you. It is an excellent book.

You are correct.

723 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:48:05pm

re: #631 Charles

They're melting down all over the place on the 2nd Coulter thread, by the way.

Took a moment to read the thread again. Amazing it has almost 1,000 comments for such a dead thread. Saw at least three meltdowns there.

WTF is it with some people anyway? They act as though calling someone like Coulter out for what she says or does is some sort of crime.

724 ThisisMatt  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:48:14pm

re: #21 HoosierHoops

The best, most influential President was Washington. The only man to hold the job where no other alternative would work. He saved the country several times over, Lincoln only once.

725 quickjustice  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:48:48pm

re: #695 unreconstructed rebel

Catholic Queen Mary ("Bloody Mary") had the Protestant, Elizabeth, her sister and future queen, imprisoned in the Tower. Elizabeth survived the ordeal, and plenty of Catholic conspirators later spent time in the White Tower before their deaths.

If you tour Westminster Abbey, you'll see the tombs of the two queens-sisters (Mary and Elizabeth) together. Elizabeth is on top of Mary.

726 godfrey  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:49:11pm

re: #709 GGMac

That's interesting.

re: #714 ArmyWife

You wouldn't believe some of the cover letters I've had to read recently, but then, some of them just don't know how to write one, and you can't expect people to react to information they don't have.

Best wishes with your new search.

727 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:49:52pm

re: #724 ThisisMatt

The best, most influential President was Washington. The only man to hold the job where no other alternative would work. He saved the country several times over, Lincoln only once.

Please consider my lonely little ding a zillion.

728 Digital Display  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:50:14pm

re: #715 jcm

He's computer has a virus.....
WINDOWS!

*Apple guy ducks & runs*

;-)

And a damn good one..Thanks for helping Gak with her issue..

729 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:50:24pm

Mind your fingers while visiting The Tower of London.

Image: T2.jpg

730 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:50:42pm

re: #714 ArmyWife

I'm an HR Manager, I have a ton. Some of the things people say floor me. Seriously.

I am not seeking a new position, but I have interviewed for a job at the White House recently (turned it down, the salary didn't even come close to what I make, and as fun as it would have been, bills to pay, bills to pay). I am interviewing for another role Wednesday - my old supervisor went to this company recently and he is begging me to come aboard. It will involve a move to the Richmond area - any Lizards live there?

Richmond is gorgeous. Plust, the Blue Ridge and Smokeys are just a hop, skip and jump away. Same with the ocean.

Gotta' go start cooking. I'm making salmon patties tonight and I need lotsa' bread crumbs and onion and dill. Gonna' have some juice-cooked, taters, too. Maybe some green beans with ham hocks and a dash of rosemary.

731 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:50:44pm
732 capitalist piglet  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:50:55pm

re: #723 Honorary Yooper

Took a moment to read the thread again. Amazing it has almost 1,000 comments for such a dead thread. Saw at least three meltdowns there.

WTF is it with some people anyway? They act as though calling someone like Coulter out for what she says or does is some sort of crime.

A lot of guys on the far-right fringe find her so enormously attractive, they are defensive about her in the extreme. I honestly think there is nothing she could do to change their opinion of her (although dating a couple of liberals came close).

733 BigMoo  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:51:10pm

re: #702 opnion
And here I thought you describing California. Everything was 'great' out there...until the money ran out...

734 godfrey  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:51:15pm

re: #721 buzzsawmonkey

Buzz! Dang, I have to leave. Congrats on the 40k. Your karma to post ratio has to be the highest around. Well-deserved, naturally. Catch you later.

735 itellu3times  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:51:23pm

re: #667 GGMac

Hey, Lizards - hope everyone's having a good day, and here's one for the smiles column:

A new cocktail: 2 shots of Grey Goose vodka,

add a splash of water....

the "SULLY"!

oh good, a splash of Hudson River water contains 27 essential vitamins, minerals, and toxins.

736 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:51:24pm

Buzzsawmonkey's Karma/Post ratio is +1.16. Quite an accomplishment at such a high level of posts.

(Mine is only +1.09 at just over 1000 posts. I can only dream)

737 quickjustice  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:51:38pm

re: #729 Dustyvet

And if the ravens ever leave the Tower of London, the English Monarchy is finished. (That's why their wings are clipped!)

738 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:51:39pm

re: #725 quickjustice

Elizabeth is on top of Mary.

Not going there.

/Kidding aside, I've been to Westminster Abbey. What's interesting is that Oliver Cromwell left it be.

739 opnion  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:51:49pm

re: #724 ThisisMatt

The best, most influential President was Washington. The only man to hold the job where no other alternative would work. He saved the country several times over, Lincoln only once.

I agree with that. He may have been our greatest General as well. How he held that Army together that Winter at Valley Forge ,was pure force of will.
He defeated Europe's mightiest Army on a virtual shoestring.

740 Scion9  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:52:07pm

re: #702 opnion

That is the quote. Interestiing that he was talking about Rome as Cicero did.

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

741 Digital Display  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:52:11pm

re: #724 ThisisMatt

The best, most influential President was Washington. The only man to hold the job where no other alternative would work. He saved the country several times over, Lincoln only once.

Welcome to LGF Matt..I had to ding up so that you would start batting off for .1000.. 2 for 2..How are you today?

742 Empire1  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:52:29pm

re: #712 turn

Thanks Empire, I'll do diligence on this later. BTW that article mentioned a sensitization to peanut oil. I've found out I'm good with most peanut oils although I don't make a habit out of using them or eating foods that contain them. Something in the refining process must filter out the proteins that get me. Oh and just one more peanut factoid, the peanut is not a nut it is part of the legume (pea) family which explains why turn can eat every nut he runs across just as long as they aren't packaged with peanuts.

Quite welcome. I did a Clusty search on "peanut allergy incidence" and that was the third hit, if that's any help. I just thought 10% sounded a lot higher than anything I'd read, so I was double-checking myself.

Hmm, I'd forgotten peanuts were classed as legumes. I wonder, do you have problems with any other legumes?

743 godfrey  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:52:33pm

Hooray, Iron Fist! It's always good to hear lizards making inroads.

744 albusteve  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:52:48pm

re: #732 capitalist piglet

A lot of guys on the far-right fringe find her so enormously attractive, they are defensive about her in the extreme. I honestly think there is nothing she could do to change their opinion of her (although dating a couple of liberals came close).

blech!....she's a snake with face like Mr. Ed....there is nothing attractive about AC

745 BigMoo  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:52:58pm

re: #721 buzzsawmonkey

Hold out for the 'Scooter Store Scooter'.
And congrats.

746 abaleh  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:53:51pm

re: #684 jcm

LOL! I'm cutting BHO a break on this one. The current VH-3's are 25 years old, and the SAM threat to them is getting more serious. I'd put this one on the Five Sided Wind Tunnel. Going with Lockheed, no helo history, and the typical procurement FUBARs.

The damn air tanker fleet is 50 damn years old, the newest KC-135 airframe was delivered in '65. They have been farting around with that for years.

The Armed Reconneisence Helicopter has been cancelled due to delays and growth in costs.
DDG1000 is already at ~80% over initial estimates.
Something is wrong with the Pentagon procurement process, and it can't be laid at Obama's feet.
About the only thing working properly is the submarine program, which I recently read is actually under budget and well within timetable.

747 opnion  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:54:02pm

re: #740 Scion9

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

Thank's

748 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:54:07pm

re: #716 DaddyG

My oldest daughter went through allegy testing after being referred for some suspicious reactions. The tests came out so severe and with allergies to so many things the doctor walked straight from the lab with a prescription for an epi-pen and told us to fill it on the way home.

I am sorry to hear that. I know a person who is allergic to tomatoes. I love pizza. I also know many allergic to gluten. To me that is worst than nuts.

749 debutaunt  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:54:22pm

re: #696 godfrey

Any infamous interview stories out there?

Funny name contest winner. We had a guy apply for a job - his name was Shamseddin Tallouie.

750 turn  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:54:42pm

re: #664 Afrocity

Right on Afro, talk about taking it seriously.

"The problem was that the teachers never took my allergy seriously and often cross contaminated or kids would share lunch with kids and the lunch would have peanuts on celery or something like that. This is why Peanuts are banned from school. "

My own father never took it seriously! No kidding he would sneak peanuts into stuff on occasion. I swear he did this deliberately just to see if I wasn't faking. I remember when I was in high school he cooked this whole fish after he came back from a vacation in China and he sprinkled it with very finely chopped peanuts. After the first bite I could tell so I asked him and he told me "no." I ended up in the emergency room that night. Don't get me wrong I loved my dad but he was either not taking my allergy seriously or he was very forgetful.

751 quickjustice  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:54:47pm

re: #738 unreconstructed rebel

Cromwell, the Protestant regicide and Lord Protector of England, was buried in Westminster Abbey. When Charles I's son, Charles II, returned to power, he had Cromwell's corpse dug up, and hanged from London Bridge. I don't know if the remains ever were returned to the Abbey.

752 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:55:22pm

re: #739 opnion

I agree with that. He may have been our greatest General as well. How he held that Army together that Winter at Valley Forge ,was pure force of will.
He defeated Europe's mightiest Army on a virtual shoestring.

One of my ancestors was caught in his pajamas at Valley Forge by Washington and Knox. After being taken to Lexington he was so convinced of the "rightness of the Americans cause" that he defected, changed his name and fought for Washington until the end of the war.

753 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:56:05pm

Gotta go. I can hear my baby-doll pullin' a cork out of a bottle of wine.

754 BigMoo  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:56:24pm

So now the state of Kansas has stopped processing tax refund checks ?
[Link: www.kansas.com...]

Sad when it even happens in 'Flyover Country'...validates my decision to never let the 'house' play on my money.

755 NY Nana  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:56:27pm

re: #667 GGMac

At $11 a pop? It was mentioned on a radio station here, and the newscaster said that she somehow did not feel that it was appropriate. I agree. A scholarship in his name might be a better idea, IMHO, and in vue of the disaster in the Buffalo area so soon after, it just does not have the right feel.

Yes, he is a hero, and I am still amazed at how cool he was. Sitting here watching it live on TV was mesmerizing, and I was weeping in relief.

The bar owner really went OTT on this one.

756 debutaunt  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:56:37pm

re: #709 GGMac

Curious isn't, the tastes of some foods? To me, Swiss cheese has a slight flavor of soap --

I love the flavor of cilantro, but some describe it the same way.

757 Digital Display  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:57:44pm

re: #736 DaddyG

Buzzsawmonkey's Karma/Post ratio is +1.16. Quite an accomplishment at such a high level of posts.

(Mine is only +1.09 at just over 1000 posts. I can only dream)

Hall of Fame 1st Ballot

758 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:58:02pm

re: #751 quickjustice

Cromwell, the Protestant regicide and Lord Protector of England, was buried in Westminster Abbey. When Charles I's son, Charles II, returned to power, he had Cromwell's corpse dug up, beheaded and hanged from London Bridge. I don't know if the remains ever were returned to the Abbey.

I thought I heard somewhere that the royalists played polo with his head.

759 itellu3times  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:58:08pm

re: #746 abaleh

Something is wrong with the Pentagon procurement process, and it can't be laid at Obama's feet.

We can do some amazing technology these days, if you want to spend the money. Pushing the state of the art, is always expensive, and doesn't always work.

That, and the problems with bureaucracy that have plagued mankind since the days of Og, and always will.

760 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:58:14pm

re: #748 Afrocity

I am sorry to hear that. I know a person who is allergic to tomatoes. I love pizza. I also know many allergic to gluten. To me that is worst than nuts.


Yeah- thank goodness her allergies (while numerous) are not so severe she has to restrict her diet from most everyday foods. She can be "normal" if she is careful and keeps up with her shots. Peanuts is one of the things she has to avoid in large amounts but not trace amounts. Insect stings will cause her to pass out however.

761 Scion9  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:58:21pm

re: #750 turn

Heh. I'm allergic to penicillin, and I've had doctors ask me if I'm allergic to any medication with the pen and pad in their hand and after I tell them "penicillin" they immediately hand me a Rx for penicillin.

762 lifeofthemind  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:58:35pm

re: #738 unreconstructed rebel

Not going there.

/Kidding aside, I've been to Westminster Abbey. What's interesting is that Oliver Cromwell left it be.

I think that in his heart Oliver Cromwell was a Tudor gentleman monarchist. He rode the whirlwind and survived. He did not destroy the memory of the Monarchy and the Restoration did not destroy his son. From what I read the personal interviews of Cromwell and King Charles before the trial were quite affecting. The were both perfectly intelligent sincere men. Neither in his heart wished to see himself as an extremist. Remember Charles called himself "the people's martyr." and Oliver wrote to the Presbyterians "I beseech you in the bowels of Christ, consider that ye might be wrong."

763 BigMoo  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:58:41pm

re: #757 HoosierHoops

Hall of Fame 1st Ballot

Assuming of course, no use of performance enhancing substances...

764 itellu3times  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:58:55pm

re: #680 subsailor68

Yeah but Plato said the same thing, before Rome was founded.

765 albusteve  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:58:59pm

re: #757 HoosierHoops

Hall of Fame 1st Ballot

I've never clicked my football....I'm affraid to

766 quickjustice  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:59:23pm

re: #739 opnion

No doubt Washington was a military genius. What intrigued me is that he fought using European organization and tactics. I've seen Revolutionary War re-enacters, and it's amazing to watch them maneuver, European style, around the battlefield.

The only soldiers hiding "behind the trees and rocks" engagements, sniper-style, seemed to have occurred at King's Mountain and throughout the South in Francis Marion's guerrilla units.

767 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:59:24pm

Glenn Beck fauxtography scandal?

Debunking a Conservative Meme


So I called this Borders and asked them if they had such a display now or in the past. The answer was a resounding “No”

Tyler offered the suggestion that perhaps this was done by some employee thinking he was being funny. This is possible, since it was taken at 11:55AM. It depends on whether the timestamp is in GMT or local time. It appears to be 6AM Dallas time.

I ignored the pic earlier this week because I left it was obviously a conservative buy making a joke but here's Glenn Beck's original posting....
Picture of the Day

Thanks to Michael for sending in the picture above that he took in a Dallas book store...


Beck gives the implication that that reverent progressives set up the display. Just stupid.

768 Wilderstad  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 1:59:46pm

re: #683 A Kiwi Infidel

Getting back to Queen Elizabeth I

She was known, in her day, for her fastidious cleanliness.

"I take a bath once every 3 months whether I need it or not"


Queen Isabella of Spain was very proud of the fact she'd only had two baths in her life.
Once when she was born, and when she married.
Apparently there is a shade of yellow that's attributed to her, as clothing and bedding was not washed often either. Once a year the linens of the nobles were washed.

769 Kragar  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:00:11pm

re: #765 albusteve

I've never clicked my football....I'm affraid to

eeeewwww, Good call.

You poor bastard

770 lifeofthemind  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:00:20pm

Am I allergic to nuts? I avoid network television and feel much better.

771 Elcid  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:00:21pm

re: #731 Iron Fist

I don't know about infamous but I didn't get a job because I scared the HR weasel one time. As it turns out, that was fortunate for me. I got a better position (where I am now) a couple of months later.

One door closes, another door opens...Great for ya' Iron Fist.

772 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:00:51pm

re: #765 albusteve

I've never clicked my football....I'm affraid to

Your Karma is in the green. Don't worry.

773 itellu3times  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:00:55pm

re: #761 Scion9

Heh. I'm allergic to penicillin, and I've had doctors ask me if I'm allergic to any medication with the pen and pad in their hand and after I tell them "penicillin" they immediately hand me a Rx for penicillin.

Yep, I've seen that same high quality of medical care, tho with me it's sulfa drugs. "Oh, just take half the first day," the doctor amended. Turned out to be OK, actually, but the deafness is amazing, ain't it?

774 Empire1  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:01:08pm

re: #765 albusteve

I've never clicked my football....I'm affraid to

No need for fear -- you have a respectable (and postitive!) karma. :)

775 Digital Display  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:01:13pm

re: #763 BigMoo

Assuming of course, no use of performance enhancing substances...

I'm not here to talk about the past...
Dan Burton: So you are saying..
I'm not here to talk about the past..
Dan Burton: Ok.. Can you sign this picture?

776 turn  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:01:21pm

re: #677 eschew_obfuscation

I think it was Afrocity, post 536

Thanks, Hey afro if you are still there are you sure you are allergic to all tree nuts? I'm sure you must be but I went for the longest time as a kid avoiding all nuts simply because I alway go sick when I ate Planters mixed nuts. Came to find out I was fine with everything in that can as long as it hadn't touched a peanut.

777 Kragar  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:01:40pm

re: #772 DaddyG

Your Karma is in the green. Don't worry.

SHHHHH! You're messing it all up!

778 BigMoo  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:01:57pm

re: #775 HoosierHoops

LMAO-"and make it out to my best friend Dan"...

779 WhiteRasta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:02:06pm

re: #768 Wilderstad

Little wonder the plague spread so rapidly.... Living in filth like that.

780 albusteve  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:02:20pm

re: #769 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

eeeewwww, Good call.

You poor bastard

ouch!

781 Digital Display  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:02:31pm

re: #765 albusteve

I've never clicked my football....I'm affraid to

go ahead..You'll be pleasantly surprised

782 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:02:41pm

re: #767 Killgore Trout

Glenn Beck fauxtography scandal?

Debunking a Conservative Meme


Beck gives the implication that that reverent progressives set up the display. Just stupid.

Beck lost all credibility when he promoted Ben Stein's dishonest movie, and treated Ron Paul like a god on his show.

783 debutaunt  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:02:54pm

re: #733 BigMoo

And here I thought you describing California. Everything was 'great' out there...until the money ran out...

I assumed Richmond, CA as well.

784 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:03:01pm

re: #709 GGMac

Curious isn't, the tastes of some foods? To me, Swiss cheese has a slight flavor of soap --

I had found recently that ALL American-made cheeses, irrespective of style, tastes somewhat alike--and that's not good. Edam, brie, rochefort from Europe taste better than their American-made counterparts.

785 albusteve  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:03:04pm

re: #774 Empire1

No need for fear -- you have a respectable (and postitive!) karma. :)

DRINKS ON ME!....whew

786 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:03:36pm

re: #774 Empire1

No need for fear -- you have a respectable (and postitive!) karma. :)

What level is considered to be "respectable"?

787 ArmyWife  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:03:45pm

re: #730 MandyManners

Sounds good! I am doing tenderloin, and am getting ready to search for an inventive broccoli recipe - something more fun than steamed!

788 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:04:05pm

re: #779 WhiteRasta

Little wonder the plague spread so rapidly.... Living in filth like that.

There was also the fact that their idea of sanitation was to dump their chamber pots out the window.

789 albusteve  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:04:09pm

re: #781 HoosierHoops

go ahead..You'll be pleasantly surprised

no...I have my ornry rep to protect

790 Kragar  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:04:12pm

re: #785 albusteve

DRINKS ON ME!....whew

Keep living the dream, they're just trying to make you feel better.

///

791 songbird  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:04:15pm

re: #763 BigMoo

Assuming of course, no use of performance enhancing substances...

Enhancing Karma? Inconceivable!

792 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:05:06pm

re: #786 calcajun

What level is considered to be "respectable"?

Somewhere in between nodrog and Charles.

793 lifeofthemind  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:05:07pm

re: #786 calcajun

What level is considered to be "respectable"?

Rule of thumb for Seamanship.

When your computed draft
exceeds your charted depth
you are most assuredly
aground.

794 Scion9  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:05:16pm

re: #767 Killgore Trout

The poster's theory from your first link is that a the Borders employ set up the display just to take the picture.

795 turn  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:05:20pm

re: #685 albusteve

I had a dear childhhood friend who had asthma and an allergy to peanuts...after college he was in Mexico and his folks and brother went to visit him....they asked in a cafe about the cooking oils but there was some mixup...he ate some chicken and fell over dead right there...shit happens

Wow, now that's really allergic. I read a story about a person who developed peanut allergies after receiving a transplanted organ from someone who suffered from them. I think he died from it too, or maybe just got very ill.

796 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:05:23pm

re: #784 calcajun

I had found recently that ALL American-made cheeses, irrespective of style, tastes somewhat alike--and that's not good. Edam, brie, rochefort from Europe taste better than their American-made counterparts.

You need to get out of California more. American-made cheese from the Midwest, and Wisconsin in particular, DO NOT taste anything alike.

797 albusteve  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:05:23pm

re: #790 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Keep living the dream, they're just trying to make you feel better.

///

maybe I'll click it sometime when nobodys looking

798 paint-right  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:05:28pm

re: #767 Killgore Trout

i find Glenn Beck to be a weird fellow, difficult to pigeonhole, but strangely emotional and provocative. I tend not to watch him as he tends to get very hysterical at times. I am also tired of the hosts on Fox who talk over and interrupt their guests. He is gulity of this at times. Too much Glenn, not enough guest.

That said, Beck has brought up good points along the way, most recently his focus on the Mexican implosion of drug barbarism. Coming soon to a state near the border and then near you.

799 quickredfox  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:05:34pm

re: #573 doppelganglander

George V and Nicholas II were first cousins, with a strong physical resemblance to one another. After Nicholas was overthrown, there was talk of the British government offering Nicholas and his family asylum, but in the end the idea was dropped, the reason given being fears of unrest in the British populace if such an invitation were given. George V supported this. Sad story.

800 BigMoo  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:05:52pm

re: #783 debutaunt

Very sad-and if the Feds bail all these states/counties/cities/businesses/mortgage defaulters out, they won't have learned a damned thing...but I digress.

801 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:06:28pm

re: #787 ArmyWife

Sounds good! I am doing tenderloin, and am getting ready to search for an inventive broccoli recipe - something more fun than steamed!

Might I suggest grilled--with a little lemon/garlic salt seasoning

802 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:06:30pm

re: #723 Honorary Yooper

They act as though calling someone like Coulter out for what she says or does is some sort of crime.

The expression "to call someone out" reminds me of the old western movies where the gunfighter in the street calls some poor drunken schmuck out of the bar and then fills him full of hot lead.
Charles certainly did call out Coulter - but something tells me she ain't never gonna show up!

803 WhiteRasta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:06:32pm

re: #787 ArmyWife

Try this:

[Link: southernfood.about.com...]

804 BigMoo  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:06:51pm

re: #791 songbird

I like to call it "Happy Hour"- but that's just me.

805 ArmyWife  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:07:20pm

re: #801 calcajun

That sounds good!

806 summergurl  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:07:35pm

re: #787 ArmyWife

Sounds good! I am doing tenderloin, and am getting ready to search for an inventive broccoli recipe - something more fun than steamed!


Chicken breasts here, wrapped around provolone and portabella, some cous cous on the side and asparagus...and a salad

807 WhiteRasta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:07:44pm

re: #788 EmmmieG

How on earth did they manage to reproduce? The stink must have been enough to fell an ox.

808 Wilderstad  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:08:24pm

re: #779 WhiteRasta
True. They were not a clean people and did believe in fact that washing would make them ill, and this belief has persisted until fairly recently.
My European grandmother's doctor ran into older farm people that only ever washed their hands, head and feet. The dirt was caked around the edges of their clothing, and when admitted to hospital they needed to be scrubbed with a stiff brush.

As far as washing the linens once a year only nobles could do that. It was a point of pride as it meant you had the wealth to have a store of linen to be cycled into the wash once a year. Washing them was a huge undertaking.

809 lifeofthemind  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:08:50pm

re: #799 quickredfox

George V and Nicholas II were first cousins, with a strong physical resemblance to one another. After Nicholas was overthrown, there was talk of the British government offering Nicholas and his family asylum, but in the end the idea was dropped, the reason given being fears of unrest in the British populace if such an invitation were given. George V supported this. Sad story.

Now the British politicians decide who to allow in or grant free speech to out of a similar fear of "public unrest."

810 itellu3times  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:08:52pm

re: #696 godfrey

Any infamous interview stories out there?

I do a lot of contract work, so I do a *lot* of interviewing, and hoo boy do I have stories, good and bad. But my favorite story didn't even happen to me, but to a buddy, a PhD. Local transit district was interviewing for a "real-time programmer". Buddy shows up, and guess what? "Real-time programming" usually means writing software to control machinery, or the like, the "real time" refers to the tenth of a second, or milliseconds, or microseconds, the program has to respond, but this time it meant sitting on your thumb until an emergency occurred, and then writing a new program "in real time", ... to reschedule buses! He didn't get the gig.

811 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:09:32pm
812 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:09:43pm

re: #807 WhiteRasta

How on earth did they manage to reproduce? The stink must have been enough to fell an ox.

No bathing + farm smell/street smell + not washing clothes + not washing household linens = fatigue of the olfactory nerve.

813 Empire1  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:09:47pm

re: #786 calcajun

What level is considered to be "respectable"?

I can't speak for anyone else, but I'd call a karma of 10% positive or more of the post number pretty respectable, since I doubt that more than a small percentage of anyone's posts get dinged either way.

814 debutaunt  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:09:49pm

re: #788 EmmmieG

There was also the fact that their idea of sanitation was to dump their chamber pots out the window.

Jaywalking was crucial.

815 Scion9  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:10:11pm

re: #799 quickredfox

Even if offered, I find it unlikely that the Romanovs ever would have made it out of Russia alive.

816 turn  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:10:12pm

re: #698 Afrocity

I am very careful in foreign countries. I am not as sensitive as him but if he was that sensitive he should have had an Epi-pen. I carry bendadryl for severe reactions.

I've been to China twice now and you really have to be on the lookout there. I made it very clear to my English speaking business partners I had the allergy and they would pass it on to the waiters. The waiters all knew it was serious and must of had a good deal of experience with it and I never had a problem.

817 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:10:52pm
818 albusteve  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:11:04pm

re: #795 turn

Wow, now that's really allergic. I read a story about a person who developed peanut allergies after receiving a transplanted organ from someone who suffered from them. I think he died from it too, or maybe just got very ill.

his mother went into shock and became very ill but eventually recovered....two years later the older brother was in grad school in Denver, went to hid door to answer a knock and was immediately stabbed in the temple with a screwdriver by some maniac...these were two very good friends of mine from a wealthy prominent family....just awful...and then just a few years after that the dad was killed by a heart attack...in 6 yrs the family was wiped out...

819 turn  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:11:19pm

re: #816 turn

Shit turn, you are so far up thread it's going to be time to go walk the lab before you get caught up.

820 WhiteRasta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:11:29pm

re: #814 debutaunt

Bad idea to walk around with your face up and mouth open......

821 paint-right  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:11:29pm

re: #782 Charles

Beck lost all credibility when he promoted Ben Stein's dishonest movie, and treated Ron Paul like a god on his show.

wow. i didn't know...I'm not a regular watcher. for the aforemenrtioned reasons.

At the very least he doesn't appear do his homework and think things through to their logical implications. He appeared onstage near here a while back and the promo ads were as if he were a comedian. Entertainer first and foremost for sure.

822 txlady  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:12:46pm

And this from the LA Times. A really pleasent surprise.
[Link: www.latimes.com...]

823 turn  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:12:59pm

re: #818 albusteve

his mother went into shock and became very ill but eventually recovered....two years later the older brother was in grad school in Denver, went to hid door to answer a knock and was immediately stabbed in the temple with a screwdriver by some maniac...these were two very good friends of mine from a wealthy prominent family....just awful...and then just a few years after that the dad was killed by a heart attack...in 6 yrs the family was wiped out...

Holy crap!

824 DocDublU  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:13:21pm

hello to lizards from sea to shining sea. the doc has been out for some time, but I thought i'd check back in today.

Obama to Change PAC-10 Hoops Rule

so, did anyone else hear the comments of USC hoops coach Tim Floyd yesterday? seems coach Tim was tossed out of his teams game against the AZ State Sun Devils on Sunday and after the game, the coach wanted to lash out at the referees but couldn't due to Pac 10 rules against criticizing the officiating of a league game.

coach Tim lamented "We cannot discuss those things," Floyd said when asked about the call. "We don't have freedom of speech as coaches. Maybe Obama will change that rule, and we can talk."

this is feeling more and more like a Cult.

825 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:13:48pm
826 debutaunt  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:13:52pm

re: #800 BigMoo

Very sad-and if the Feds bail all these states/counties/cities/businesses/mortgage defaulters out, they won't have learned a damned thing...but I digress.

Bankruptcy should be used in all cases. Get rid of what doesn't work.

827 Scion9  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:13:59pm

re: #821 paint-right

Most TV and radio pundits are about as politically informed as their celebrity loudmouth counterparts.

828 turn  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:14:11pm

re: #817 ploome hineni

I know two adults one in his early 20s and another in her early 30s who died of asthma in cold weather

Fortuantely I don't have asthma too, as far as I know they aren't connected.

829 quickredfox  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:14:17pm

re: #768 Wilderstad

Queen Isabella of Spain was very proud of the fact she'd only had two baths in her life.
Once when she was born, and when she married.
Apparently there is a shade of yellow that's attributed to her, as clothing and bedding was not washed often either. Once a year the linens of the nobles were washed.

One story is that the horse color "isabella," used as an alternative for palomino, comes from that shade of yellow associated with Queen Isabella's linens. Another version is that the horse color got the name just because she happened to like that color of horse.

830 abaleh  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:14:43pm

re: #799 quickredfox

George V and Nicholas II were first cousins, with a strong physical resemblance to one another. After Nicholas was overthrown, there was talk of the British government offering Nicholas and his family asylum, but in the end the idea was dropped, the reason given being fears of unrest in the British populace if such an invitation were given. George V supported this. Sad story.

The execution of the Romanov children is a tragedy.
But...Nicholas II was a bloody tyrant responsible for ruthless suppression of peaceful demonstrators and instigating pogroms against the Jews of his empire.

831 A.W.  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:14:46pm

re: #724 ThisisMatt

The best, most influential President was Washington. The only man to hold the job where no other alternative would work. He saved the country several times over, Lincoln only once.

Washington is underated in some circles as president, but bluntly, his presidency (and that doesn't include his generalship in the revolution) was not as great as lincoln's. Lincoln freed the slaves and saved the union. Washington, as president, didn't do anything quite as tremendous. But he did establish important precedents that helped us remain a republic and not a monarchy or some other abomination. One only has to look at how Napoleon did NOT rise to his circumstnaces to see how great a president Washington was. Washington could have done that, too, but he had, dare i say, an even greater ambition: to be father to a republic. That is Washington's great contribution as President. But really, its hard for anyone to beat Lincoln's achievements.

Now Lincoln also benefits from the fact that he was the master of the medium of his day: the written word. He was, by all reports, a weak public speaker only saved by the quality of his content. His problem was his high-pitched "hick voice" which is a far cry from the barritones you hear voicing his words today. Simply put, he sounded more like Larry the Cable guy than James Earl Jones, and if you can imagine Larry the Cable guy reading off the gettysburg address, you would understand why it was underwhelming. (Not that his accent was the same as Larry, but i really can't think of a better metaphor for it--Larry has a voice people stereotype as "stupid.") But it was also the secret to his perverse success, because those inclined to agree with him would only listen for a few minutes to realize that despite his accent there was a really powerful mind underneath. But those inclined to disagree with him would then stereotype him as an ape-looking idiot. Which i suspect then led his defenders to defend him more vehemently because they would realize to make fun of him because of his accent just wasn't fair. (Gee, does any of this sound familiar at all?)

But as time went on, as Lincoln became a person you read about in hisotry books, most people forgot how his accent sounded, and most people heard the words spoken by James Earl Jones types, like we imagine that a president would sound speaking such momentuous words. And over time historians, looking at his wonderful speeches have confused good content with good presidency. its a particularly easy mistake to make with Lincoln because he was a great president, but the fact is the two really have only a passing relationship. It is true that clear thinking leads to clear writing, but clarity is only part of the job in good writing, or good speechcraft. so there is some relationship, but not as much of one as one might think.

So... Lincoln was a great president and indeed our greatest, but is nontheless overhyped in part because he was also a brilliant writer. And Washington was indeed a great president for all the chances he had to become dictator and didn't, or to otherwise set a bad precedent. But Lincoln still surpasses him as our greatest, if we only look to their presidencies.

But you might ask, why limit ourselves to the presidencies? Why not judge the whole life of Washginton, v. the whole life of Lincoln? And that is a much closer call. In a context of their overall lifetime achievement, i still give Lincoln the edge, but it is not half as clear to me as the issue of comparing only their presidencies.

832 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:15:02pm

re: #794 Scion9

The poster's theory from your first link is that a the Borders employ set up the display just to take the picture.

I'm pretty sure that's what happened. Beck's portrayal of the picture is pretty dishonest in my opinion.

833 capitalist piglet  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:15:32pm

re: #696 godfrey

Any infamous interview stories out there?

Probably not what you're looking for, but my best friend is a software engineer. He was interviewing at Microsoft, and part of the process is, of course, writing and analyzing code.

He was presented with some code, told what it was designed to do, and as he looked at it, his honest reaction took over and he blurted out, "What kind of idiot would write this?!"

(You can see where this is going.)

Of course, the interviewer was the "kind of idiot" who would write it.

He didn't get that job, but he got the one he interviewed for that afternoon...at Microsoft.

834 turn  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:15:41pm

re: #705 Taqiyyotomist

OK taq, will do and and thanks again!

835 albusteve  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:16:43pm

re: #826 debutaunt

Bankruptcy should be used in all cases. Get rid of what doesn't work.

I'm a devout believer that the libs want to destroy the economy as we know it...and they are it seems...I hate the feds with a burning passion...I really do

836 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:16:50pm

re: #784 calcajun

I had found recently that ALL American-made cheeses, irrespective of style, tastes somewhat alike--and that's not good. Edam, brie, rochefort from Europe taste better than their American-made counterparts.

That's because most American stuff is cheesy imitations.

I can remember when all you could get here were two brands of cheese: "Swiss" and "American". Both with the consistency of plastic, the taste of boiled milk and the look of a corpse.

Of course, if you really wanted to splurge you could get Velveeta or cheese-in-a-spray-can.

One of the few things we can be grateful to yuppies for is bringing back a taste for real cheese from their tours of the Continent.

I'm still waiting for the sausage sections of high-end markets to catch up with their cheese offerings.

837 albusteve  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:18:32pm

re: #832 Killgore Trout

I'm pretty sure that's what happened. Beck's portrayal of the picture is pretty dishonest in my opinion.

Beck's another phoney...he uses the message to promote himself...a media whore no more no less...man I'm grumpy

838 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:18:41pm

re: #680 subsailor68

There's also this quote:

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: 'From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.'"

- Alexander Fraser Tytler (1747–1813)

IIRC, he was writing a history of the decline and fall of the Roman Empire at the time.

Thanks subsailor68. That's the one I was thinking of.

839 turn  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:18:44pm

re: #710 HoosierHoops

Turn? Computer issues? What is the problem?

Hey hoops! I'll post again tomorrow about his in more detail, thanks.

840 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:19:55pm
841 albusteve  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:20:24pm

re: #838 CyanSnowHawk

Thanks subsailor68. That's the one I was thinking of.

thanks for that...I've never seen the full quote

842 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:20:33pm

re: #832 Killgore Trout

I'm pretty sure that's what happened. Beck's portrayal of the picture is pretty dishonest in my opinion.

The whole idea that Borders is trying to "indoctrinate" people by sneakily placing Obama-related books under the heading of "religion" is completely paranoid.

843 quickredfox  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:21:40pm

re: #815 Scion9

Even if offered, I find it unlikely that the Romanovs ever would have made it out of Russia alive.

Likely so, but a sorry story nonetheless. The British did later consider mounting a rescue, but by then the conditions had worsened even more and it was really too late. They did eventually rescue some members of the Russian royal family through Crimea.

844 turn  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:21:49pm

re: #742 Empire1

Quite welcome. I did a Clusty search on "peanut allergy incidence" and that was the third hit, if that's any help. I just thought 10% sounded a lot higher than anything I'd read, so I was double-checking myself.

Hmm, I'd forgotten peanuts were classed as legumes. I wonder, do you have problems with any other legumes?

No, not as far as I know. There may be something that I've never tried but everything is ok with what I've eaten.

845 doppelganglander  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:21:57pm

re: #811 ploome hineni

Peanut allergy - blame the parents?New research suggests that some food allergies may be avoided by exposure in infancy. Would you try it on your child?

I had always heard the opposite, that exposure in infancy to certain substances (including peanuts) made you more likely to have an allergy. That's why you don't feed a baby plain whole cow's milk until after 1 year of age.

846 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:22:21pm

And now Ed Morrissey is promoting this stupid story too:

[Link: hotair.com...]

847 NY Nana  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:22:34pm

re: #773 itellu3times

I wear a MedicAlert bracelet, am a retired RN, and speak 'medicalese', but have what is a very bad allergy to sulfonamides. Sure enough, even with the card I handed him, with my known allergies, and the info that I had a Stevens-Johnson Syndrome reaction from it, he prescribed a med that had a sulfa component..my pharmacist did not pick it up. It was the third time I have had it. Ugh.

One dose? My tongue started swelling, trouble breathing, name it. An ambulance ride to the ER was needed.
Now? I asked to see the PDR when my endocrinologist prescribed something, after he had all my info. He showed me the entry, and it was OK. he was nice enough to flag my chart, and put it in the computer, so that anything I am given is reviewed, just in case.

It seems that now the regular office visit is less than 5 minutes.

848 turn  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:23:59pm

re: #761 Scion9

Heh. I'm allergic to penicillin, and I've had doctors ask me if I'm allergic to any medication with the pen and pad in their hand and after I tell them "penicillin" they immediately hand me a Rx for penicillin.

You know what doctor NOT to go back to at any rate. BTW turnwife is very allergic to penicillin too.

849 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:24:55pm

re: #846 Charles

And now Ed Morrissey is promoting this stupid story too:

[Link: hotair.com...]

Whatever the reason, it appears from comments made by Borders that the picture is real (not fauxtography).

850 vapig  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:25:51pm

re: #835 albusteve

I'm a devout believer that the libs want to destroy the economy as we know it...and they are it seems...I hate the feds with a burning passion...I really do

That's why I like the idea of the states getting together and starving the beast. They have no teeth without our money.

851 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:26:02pm

re: #846 Charles

I saw it over at Atlas last week and just ignored it because it's was obviously a conservative making a point. I just assumed it was one of those things floating around the internet. I was a little surprised to learn it was Beck who started the story.

852 Natasha  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:26:05pm

Can this be a drinking thread since I get to have a long weekend

853 Scion9  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:26:05pm

re: #832 Killgore Trout

The Rastas already have a lock on religions based on black political figures. Unless there is a Rastas of Latter Day Saints movement that I am unaware of.

854 jaunte  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:26:38pm

re: #849 eschew_obfuscation

Staged, not 'shopped. But faux, in that Borders doesn't really have a display like that.

855 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:26:53pm
856 Kragar  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:27:46pm

re: #852 Natasha

Can this be a drinking thread since I get to have a long weekend

When in doubt, every thread is a drinking/gun/boob thread

857 doppelganglander  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:27:47pm

re: #849 eschew_obfuscation

Whatever the reason, it appears from comments made by Borders that the picture is real (not fauxtography).

It looks like a prank to me. I could imagine some bored employees or mischievous patrons messing with the display for giggles.

858 GGMac  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:27:50pm

re: #651 JHW

Japanese is another language comfortable with borrowing foreign words, can be funny at times when they butcher them.
859 notutopia  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:28:02pm

re: #846 Charles

I posted this article and pix two days ago. I pulled it off of Instapundit's site.

860 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:28:06pm

re: #849 eschew_obfuscation

Whatever the reason, it appears from comments made by Borders that the picture is real (not fauxtography).

I don't trust a single word I read in WorldNetDaily.

This liberal geek also contacted that Borders bookstore and they told him there was never any such display at their store.

861 DistantThunder  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:28:41pm

What a Difference a President Makes!

862 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:28:49pm

re: #860 Charles

I don't trust a single word I read in WorldNetDaily.

And that includes "and" and "the."

863 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:29:17pm

re: #849 eschew_obfuscation

If you check the story I linked to upthread they called to store too and said that the store did not set up that display. It was just an employee having some fun. WND is not a reliable source and I've strongly suspected them of faking interviews and quotes for a long time.

864 quickredfox  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:29:20pm

re: #830 abaleh

The execution of the Romanov children is a tragedy.
But...Nicholas II was a bloody tyrant responsible for ruthless suppression of peaceful demonstrators and instigating pogroms against the Jews of his empire.

That is true. Those were among the reasons there was concern about his coming to Britain being an unpopular move.

865 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:29:51pm
866 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:29:56pm

re: #836 Cato the Elder

I have no idea where you guys are coming from, but it's obviously not the Upper Midwest, centered on Wisconsin. We've always had a wide variety of cheese, and they do taste rather different with different consistencies. We also have a wide variety of sausages.

867 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:30:50pm

re: #854 jaunte

Staged, not 'shopped. But faux, in that Borders doesn't really have a display like that.


It's unclear from the quote who put the books there, but the spokesperson seems to imply that it was a Borders 'team' whether as a prank or just awkward timing.

Borders corporate spokeswoman Ann Roman told WND there was no intention on the part of the staff to associate books about the Obamas with religion.

“We are a completely politically neutral organization,” she said. “As you can imagine we carry every political perspective, authors from both parties.

“What happened here is those books were for kids and they were put under an overarching sign. Our team did not mean to imply an inappropriate classification,” she said.

868 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:30:58pm

re: #831 A.W.

I disagree. Washington, if you will, is the gold standard by which many other presidents have been measured (and some found wanting). Lincoln's stature, like Kennedy, has been elevated bu virtue of his assassination. True, Lincoln would have been considered among the greatest of our leaders if he had lived. But, his reconstruction efforts might have met with the same problems which beset Andrew Johnson. I dare say that Mr. Lincoln might have found himself in similar straits with a Congress bent on imposing a punitive peace with the South. Lincoln's tenure and his accomplishments, earns him high praise--and a place as the second greatest President.

It was Washington who set the standards. Serving only two terms, refusing offers of a presidency-for-life, if not a hereditary presidency, created the mold for all our chief executives (until FDR). His manner of governing, his "protocols", his code of conduct, have been followed more or less) for more than two centuries. He knew he would be setting the standard and he set it pretty high. This was a man of great self-control and restraint. He is the one who has left a long-lasting mark on the office and the country.

869 Natasha  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:31:10pm

re: #830 abaleh

The execution of the Romanov children is a tragedy.
But...Nicholas II was a bloody tyrant responsible for ruthless suppression of peaceful demonstrators and instigating pogroms against the Jews of his empire.

When one really digs into Russian history, one tends to find some really surprising stuff... We still do not have all the facts, because the "powers that be" in Russia would like to establish their own imperial rule, and they need to mess with history, on that one.

870 ThinkRight  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:31:15pm

re: #860 Charles

I don't trust a single word I read in WorldNetDaily.

This liberal geek also contacted that Borders bookstore and they told him there was never any such display at their store.


Are you kissing up to Obama & company saying that ?

/
Just kidding really

871 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:31:33pm

re: #846 Charles

And now Ed Morrissey is promoting this stupid story too:

[Link: hotair.com...]

Ed posted an update:

Update: Alternate explanation, from commenter Number 2: satire, poking fun at Obamalytes by classifying their adoration as a belief system.

872 Kragar  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:31:46pm

re: #866 Honorary Yooper

I have no idea where you guys are coming from, but it's obviously not the Upper Midwest, centered on Wisconsin. We've always had a wide variety of cheese, and they do taste rather different with different consistencies. We also have a wide variety of sausages.

Great BBQ place I used to go to had an appetizer platter of a half dozen different cheeses, mustards, crackers and sausages. It was great.

873 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:31:52pm

re: #860 Charles

Remember the Obama donations from Gaza? WND claimed to have found the guy and interviewed him. It was almost certainly a completely fake interview.

874 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:32:01pm

re: #846 Charles

And now Ed Morrissey is promoting this stupid story too:

[Link: hotair.com...]

Photograph viewed on its own is a very clever tongue-in-cheek comment on the Dems who worship him.

875 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:32:18pm

re: #857 doppelganglander

It looks like a prank to me. I could imagine some bored employees or mischievous patrons messing with the display for giggles.

Yeah.... that'd be my guess. Or they could've been in the process of changing displays around and hadn't finished/gotten to that section yet.

876 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:32:57pm

re: #849 eschew_obfuscation

Whatever the reason, it appears from comments made by Borders that the picture is real (not fauxtography).

Somebody stuck the books up there and took a picture? Somehow, it looks PShopped to me. It just looks weird.

877 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:33:17pm

re: #865 taxfreekiller

Back in 1986-87 when Rush was a local talk show host in Sacramento and nobody outside of there had ever heard of him, his answer to phone in critics about calling the opposition maggot-infested-hippies was "It's just a show......"

878 GGMac  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:33:31pm

My #858 - incomplete; for some reason this scroll function has been on a hissy-fit lately.

Anyway - #651 JHW, your comment brought to mind Thurber's playful take on Little Red Riding Hood:

"Once pon term there wurst ladle gull named Ladle Rat Rotten Hut..."

Don't remember it all - Buzzsaw probably does!

Really funny.

879 SummerSong  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:33:54pm

World markets fall as Japan's recession deepens

European, most Asian stock markets fall as Japan sinks deeper into recession

[Link: finance.yahoo.com...]

I guess I know what Tuesdays open will look like... 8^(

880 Jetpilot1101  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:33:59pm

re: #874 Spare O'Lake

Photograph viewed on its own is a very clever tongue-in-cheek comment on the Dems who worship him.

The dems used to worship the Clintons, especially Bill, until Obama eclipsed them. While I think this time around, the adoration is clearly more excessive then when Bill Clinton was in office, I think there are some parallels to the two men and their legions of devoted followers.

881 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:34:20pm

re: #873 Killgore Trout

Remember the Obama donations from Gaza? WND claimed to have found the guy and interviewed him. It was almost certainly a completely fake interview.

I put WND up there with Newsmax, and Debka.

/no credibility

882 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:34:27pm
883 Racer X  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:34:37pm

re: #865 taxfreekiller

Beck, O'riley, Hannity, Huckabee

That is the why left wing radio does not work,
these guys are not "corespondents" , not news speak

they are, shows, you know SHOWS ,,

like movies, like entertainment,,,,,

not boring hack shit like PBS or NPR


You hit it smack right on the head. These guys are running a business. Their goal is to suck viewers in, which in turn raises the ratings and gets them more money.

Period.

Do I watch? Occasionally.
Do I believe everything they say? No way.
Would I follow any of them into a burning building? Hell no.

884 ThinkRight  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:35:08pm

re: #879 SummerSong

World markets fall as Japan's recession deepens

European, most Asian stock markets fall as Japan sinks deeper into recession

[Link: finance.yahoo.com...]

I guess I know what Tuesdays open will look like... 8^(

Help
What will happen to XM/Sirrius ?
It will kill me if I lose it

885 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:35:19pm

re: #879 SummerSong

World markets fall as Japan's recession deepens

European, most Asian stock markets fall as Japan sinks deeper into recession

[Link: finance.yahoo.com...]

I guess I know what Tuesdays open will look like... 8^(

Just hope and pray that our illustrious Treasury Secretary doesn't open his mouth again tomorrow, or it'll be a slaughter.

886 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:35:58pm

re: #881 Ward Cleaver

I posted a great Darwin video from WND upthread. Very funny.

887 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:35:59pm

re: #881 Ward Cleaver

I put WND up there with Newsmax, and Debka.

/no credibility

What sources do you usually use (serious question)?. I'm always looking for the best, but don't want to spend forever trying to find them.

888 BigMoo  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:36:05pm

re: #826 debutaunt

Bankruptcy should be used in all cases. Get rid of what doesn't work.


I Couldn't agree MORE.

889 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:36:08pm
890 abaleh  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:36:15pm

re: #869 Natasha

When one really digs into Russian history, one tends to find some really surprising stuff... We still do not have all the facts, because the "powers that be" in Russia would like to establish their own imperial rule, and they need to mess with history, on that one.

Do you have any specifics or is that just a general statement?
Does it turn out that Nicholas II was not responsible for the pogroms when you dig deep enough?

891 Kragar  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:36:21pm

re: #884 ThinkRight

Help
What will happen to XM/Sirrius ?
It will kill me if I lose it

Bailout, assuming they accept certain programming guidelines to promote the Greater Good.

My 2 cents

892 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:37:43pm

re: #768 Wilderstad

Queen Isabella of Spain was very proud of the fact she'd only had two baths in her life.
Once when she was born, and when she married.
Apparently there is a shade of yellow that's attributed to her, as clothing and bedding was not washed often either. Once a year the linens of the nobles were washed.

Ewwwwwwww!

893 Jetpilot1101  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:37:51pm

re: #885 Honorary Yooper

Just hope and pray that our illustrious Treasury Secretary doesn't open his mouth again tomorrow, or it'll be a slaughter.

It will most likely be a slaughter anyway. I think the rest of the world is realizing that the man in charge of the US is clueless and surrounded by yes men. Generally speaking, the financial markets don't react well to instability and Obama has shown nothing but this during his first month in office. My prediction still stands, the DOWn bottoms at 4500.

894 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:37:51pm

re: #884 ThinkRight

Help
What will happen to XM/Sirrius ?
It will kill me if I lose it

They may hang around for a while, but I don't think there was every really a huge market for them in the first place. Who the heck wants to pay for radio? You have mp3 players, CDs, and of course AM and FM radio already out there. One could argue that XM and Sirius were trying to duplicate the AM clear channel stations already out there (WBBM, WLS, WJR, etc).

895 jaunte  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:37:55pm

re: #886 Killgore Trout

I posted a great Darwin video from WND upthread. Very funny.

Who was that guy? What a strange video.

896 jorline  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:38:09pm

re: #879 SummerSong

World markets fall as Japan's recession deepens

European, most Asian stock markets fall as Japan sinks deeper into recession

[Link: finance.yahoo.com...]

I guess I know what Tuesdays open will look like... 8^(

Try this link...World Stock Market

897 soxfan4life  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:38:11pm

re: #883 Racer X

You hit it smack right on the head. These guys are running a business. Their goal is to suck viewers in, which in turn raises the ratings and gets them more money.

Period.

Do I watch? Occasionally.
Do I believe everything they say? No way.
Would I follow any of them into a burning building? Hell no.

That is the crux of the problem with the libs. While we can watch and make our own opinion, they watch Olberman, Maddow, et.al and buy it as gospel.Why else would Rush make them so mad?

898 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:38:12pm

Just an hour ago, I told a visiting Chinese businessman that Obama is a liar and a thief. The look on the mans face was priceless.
Not that he disagreed, but that I would say such a thing out loud.

899 quickredfox  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:38:20pm

re: #869 Natasha

My impression of Russian history in the first half of the 20th century has been "out of the frying pan into the fire." Exile to Siberia was never a picnic, but the earlier times fell short of what Stalin was to make it.

900 BigMoo  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:38:20pm

re: #835 albusteve

I'm a devout believer that the libs want to destroy the economy as we know it...and they are it seems...I hate the feds with a burning passion...I really do

First candidate for "Re-education" camp. lol

WOLVERINES !

901 ThinkRight  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:38:28pm

re: #891 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Thanks
As long as I don't lose Classic rewind andClassic Vinyl and the boneyard I will survive

lol

902 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:38:37pm

Just my thoughts on the "greatest president" thing. (Please note: If you have studied enough history to have an opinion, you have my respect.)

I respect both presidents greatly.

Take the one--a homely, motherless boy, with no encouragement to learn (he did his lessons with a burned stick on the back of a shovel), no rich relations to help him out, nobody that he could ever call his mentor, nothing but a burning desire to learn and to be somebody.

You've got to respect that.

Then the other--born into every privilege, given by nature every possible talent and attribute, entitled to think of himself as naturally born to rule, hanging on by a thread at Valley Forge, tricking the British with his misinformation, defeating what was then the world's greatest army, and then...happily going home to farm.

Gotta like that, too.

On the one hand you've got the greatest speech given in this country, on the other you've got a man that could inspire by small act and word . You've got two wars that had to be won. You've got two men that did what they had to do, but which few others could have done, and in the doing brought liberty to millions.

I am proud to call myself an American if what they are is American.

903 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:38:55pm

re: #887 eschew_obfuscation

What sources do you usually use (serious question)?. I'm always looking for the best, but don't want to spend forever trying to find them.

Uh, this place? CHarles is pretty good about linking to reputable sites.

/lgf

904 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:39:26pm

re: #794 Scion9

The poster's theory from your first link is that a the Borders employ set up the display just to take the picture.

That would make good satire, and sounds like something I would have done.

905 calcajun  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:39:42pm

re: #888 BigMoo

I Couldn't agree MORE.

I prefer the term, "Let'em burn!"

906 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:39:47pm

re: #900 BigMoo

First candidate for "Re-education" camp. lol

WOLVERINES !

I've been to the little town in NM (Las Vegas) where they did some location shots for that film.

907 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:39:56pm

re: #844 turn

Sorry I took a snack break.

I am allergic to all nuts. Peanuts are legumes but I am allergic to them. Also coconuts and some seeds like sunflower seeds.

908 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:40:00pm

re: #891 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Nah, the XM/Sirius bankruptcy thing has something to do with a buyout offer from another media company. It's part of some positioning strategy that I don't quite understand but they will continue broadcasting but the restructing allows them to ditch their debtors and stay in business. The listeners will be fine but the stockholders are getting screwed.

909 albusteve  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:40:35pm

re: #898 IslandLibertarian

Just an hour ago, I told a visiting Chinese businessman that Obama is a liar and a thief. The look on the mans face was priceless.
Not that he disagreed, but that I would say such a thing out loud.

heh...maybe you shouldn't

910 Racer X  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:40:42pm

re: #897 soxfan4life

That is the crux of the problem with the libs. While we can watch and make our own opinion, they watch Olberman, Maddow, et.al and buy it as gospel.Why else would Rush make them so mad?

There are plenty on both sides that have lost the ability to think.

911 Kragar  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:40:51pm

re: #908 Killgore Trout

Nah, the XM/Sirius bankruptcy thing has something to do with a buyout offer from another media company. It's part of some positioning strategy that I don't quite understand but they will continue broadcasting but the restructing allows them to ditch their debtors and stay in business. The listeners will be fine but the stockholders are getting screwed.

I was being cynical, but thats just as bad

912 lifeofthemind  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:41:10pm

re: #908 Killgore Trout

Nah, the XM/Sirius bankruptcy thing has something to do with a buyout offer from another media company. It's part of some positioning strategy that I don't quite understand but they will continue broadcasting but the restructing allows them to ditch their debtors and stay in business. The listeners will be fine but the stockholders are getting screwed.

Are they still locked into the contract that gives all their income to Howard Stern?

913 soxfan4life  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:41:27pm

re: #908 Killgore Trout

Nah, the XM/Sirius bankruptcy thing has something to do with a buyout offer from another media company. It's part of some positioning strategy that I don't quite understand but they will continue broadcasting but the restructing allows them to ditch their debtors and stay in business. The listeners will be fine but the stockholders are getting screwed.

After what they paid Martha Stewart and the like they deserve to go broke.

914 WhiteRasta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:41:35pm

re: #907 Afrocity

Coconuts? I have never heard of anyone being allergic to coconuts. How awful for you.

915 Kragar  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:41:47pm

re: #898 IslandLibertarian

Just an hour ago, I told a visiting Chinese businessman that Obama is a liar and a thief. The look on the mans face was priceless.
Not that he disagreed, but that I would say such a thing out loud.

As the local taupe shirt took careful notes on your attitude...

916 albusteve  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:41:50pm

re: #900 BigMoo

First candidate for "Re-education" camp. lol

WOLVERINES !

albusteve's last stand...right here

917 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:42:16pm
918 soxfan4life  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:42:19pm

re: #910 Racer X

There are plenty on both sides that have lost the ability to think.

Sad isn't it?

919 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:42:41pm

re: #782 Charles

Beck lost all credibility when he promoted Ben Stein's dishonest movie, and treated Ron Paul like a god on his show.

I stopped watching Beck after the 1,049th time he announced that he is "a thinker".

920 summergurl  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:42:41pm

re: #836 Cato the Elder

That's because most American stuff is cheesy imitations.

I can remember when all you could get here were two brands of cheese: "Swiss" and "American". Both with the consistency of plastic, the taste of boiled milk and the look of a corpse.

Of course, if you really wanted to splurge you could get Velveeta or cheese-in-a-spray-can.

One of the few things we can be grateful to yuppies for is bringing back a taste for real cheese from their tours of the Continent.

I'm still waiting for the sausage sections of high-end markets to catch up with their cheese offerings.

Usually you can find some good artisanal cheeses in stores such as Whole Foods

921 BigMoo  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:42:46pm

re: #906 Ward Cleaver

Me too-I was living in Santa Fe when the movie came out. We used to joke that the movie producers didn't have to 'trash the town' or add any junked cars to Las Vegas-it was already 'good to go' for filming.
We were evil back then...

922 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:42:59pm

re: #891 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bailout, assuming they accept certain programming guidelines to promote the Greater Good.

My 2 cents

"Over 130 channels of commercial-free, Obama-friendly radio!"

923 Racer X  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:43:39pm

"Um, Socialism is bad, m'kay"
- Mr. Mackey

924 quickredfox  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:43:40pm

re: #914 WhiteRasta

A friend of mine is allergic to fresh fruit. She can eat dried fruit or cooked fruit, but has an extreme reaction to fresh fruit. I had never heard of anything like that. What a bummer.

925 soxfan4life  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:43:50pm

re: #922 Ward Cleaver

"Over 130 channels of commercial-free, Obama-friendly radio!"


All Obama, all the time.

926 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:43:57pm

re: #903 Ward Cleaver

Uh, this place? CHarles is pretty good about linking to reputable sites.

/lgf

Yeah, I agree about LGF. I was just thinking that Newsmax is mostly AP and Reuters sourced stuff, which we all end up discussing here any way even though we know how reliable they are(n't). IMHO very few bloggers do their own reportage. I think Michele Malkin does.... probably a handful of others, but the travel is expensive, some times prohibitively so.

WND is obviously over-the-top sensationalist and a purveyor of conspiracy theory and other nut-job stuff like the whole 'nirther' thing.

927 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:43:59pm

re: #921 BigMoo

Me too-I was living in Santa Fe when the movie came out. We used to joke that the movie producers didn't have to 'trash the town' or add any junked cars to Las Vegas-it was already 'good to go' for filming.
We were evil back then...

That's right on target. This was about 25 years ago, when I visited.

928 SummerSong  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:44:14pm

re: #884 ThinkRight

Help
What will happen to XM/Sirrius ?
It will kill me if I lose it

I don't know. I bought XM at $1.99 and sold at $20. Never looked back!

929 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:44:46pm

re: #912 lifeofthemind

Bankruptcy does allow them to renegotiate contracts to that's a possibility.Between xm and Sirius they made a lot of really ridiculous contracts with Oprah, Martha Stewart, etc. At least Howard is a radio guy. I have XM but I'd have to pay extra even after the merger to get Howard because he's on Sirius.

930 BigMoo  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:44:50pm

re: #916 albusteve

"You'll have to take my keyboard from my cold, dead hands"...

931 albusteve  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:45:32pm

re: #921 BigMoo

Me too-I was living in Santa Fe when the movie came out. We used to joke that the movie producers didn't have to 'trash the town' or add any junked cars to Las Vegas-it was already 'good to go' for filming.
We were evil back then...

LV is one hell of a nice town...a real wild west town, far more violent than Dodge or even Deadwood...little known factoid...and I believe they have been making movies as long or even longer than Hollywood out here

932 BigMoo  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:45:48pm

re: #927 Ward Cleaver

And it HASN'T changed.

933 Mr Pancakes  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:45:50pm

Todd Schnitt on KNEW just mentioned LGF on his radio show. He's talking about the beheading thread now.

934 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:46:18pm

re: #932 BigMoo

And it HASN'T changed.

It looked like a ghost town.

935 SummerSong  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:46:34pm

re: #896 jorline

Try this link...World Stock Market

Thanks, Jorline. Mexico looks good...lol

936 quickredfox  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:46:42pm

re: #920 summergurl

We have some nice local cheeses here in Northern California. Yum. Cow, goat, and a little while ago someone started a sheeps' milk dairy. Haven't had any of the local sheeps' milk cheese yet, but there is a goat dairy down the coast that makes some nice cheese, where I stop in on occasion.

937 albusteve  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:46:45pm

re: #930 BigMoo

"You'll have to take my keyboard from my cold, dead hands"...

haha!...something like that

938 lifeofthemind  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:46:52pm

re: #907 Afrocity

Sorry I took a snack break.

I am allergic to all nuts. Peanuts are legumes but I am allergic to them. Also coconuts and some seeds like sunflower seeds.

Nuts

939 notutopia  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:47:06pm

re: #933 Mr Pancakes
And in what context of the beheading is he opining?

940 Racer X  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:47:09pm

I occasionally watch Beck, Hannity, and rarely O'reily.

My bullshit filter gets a workout but I manage to strain the crap.

CNN gives me a headache.

MSLSD is unwatchable.

941 Perplexed  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:47:25pm

re: #55 Cato the Elder

The term "czar" for anybody with more than the usual range of powers in Washington should be dropped. It is an insult to the czars/tsars. "Commissar" would be more apt.

Apparatchik is more like it.

942 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:48:15pm
943 doppelganglander  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:49:09pm

re: #898 IslandLibertarian

Just an hour ago, I told a visiting Chinese businessman that Obama is a liar and a thief. The look on the mans face was priceless.
Not that he disagreed, but that I would say such a thing out loud.

Because in his country he can't do that. Go U.S.A.!

944 Mr Pancakes  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:49:09pm

re: #939 notutopia

And in what context of the beheading is he opining?

Just telling his audience about it in general....... first time I've ever listened to him. He replaced Lou Dobbs starting today.

945 Scion9  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:49:12pm

re: #941 Perplexed

Apparatchik is more like it.

I'm just fine with using a title not lifted from Russia; especially the lingo of the Communist Party specifically.

946 Kronocide  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:49:23pm

re: #940 Racer X

MSLSD is unwatchable.

Do you find MDLSD more unwatchable than CNPCP?

947 lifeofthemind  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:49:25pm

re: #929 Killgore Trout

Bankruptcy does allow them to renegotiate contracts to that's a possibility.Between xm and Sirius they made a lot of really ridiculous contracts with Oprah, Martha Stewart, etc. At least Howard is a radio guy. I have XM but I'd have to pay extra even after the merger to get Howard because he's on Sirius.

When I rent a car I like to get the Sirius radio, good classical and jazz, standards also. Not into Howard.

948 notutopia  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:49:49pm

re: #944 Mr Pancakes

No spin?

949 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:50:24pm

The South African Airways employees were detained after 5kg of the drug - worth about £250,000 - was discovered in a bag on a flight from Johannesburg.

[Link: news.sky.com...]

The mile high club?

950 Kronocide  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:50:38pm

Hey IsleLib: what island?

951 albusteve  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:51:30pm

re: #944 Mr Pancakes

Just telling his audience about it in general....... first time I've ever listened to him. He replaced Lou Dobbs starting today.

what's gonna happen to big Lou and his pretty face?....he makes some sense

952 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:52:02pm

Turkey still awaiting explanations on general's speech

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

I hope their holding their breath.

953 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:52:26pm

re: #950 BigPapa

Oahu

954 Racer X  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:52:26pm

re: #946 BigPapa

Do you find MSLSD more unwatchable than CNPCP?


I can tolerate CNN for short periods (5 mins). MSNBC is absolutely unwatchable.

955 WhiteRasta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:53:33pm

re: #924 quickredfox

It's a wonder your friend has not contracted scurvy....

956 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:53:39pm

re: #938 lifeofthemind

Nuts

LOL. That was a knee slapper.

Or I have been on a date and the guy says "Well I am sorry but nuts are included with this package"

957 Kronocide  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:53:56pm

re: #953 IslandLibertarian

Kona. Howzit bruddah?

958 BigMoo  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:54:33pm

re: #931 albusteve

We used to call it "the town that time forgot". As a short haired, government looking 'Weddo', I usually got some prety good stares when I walked into a Northern NM restautant (lol).
Lot's of good movies shot in NM- so many great locations and the (as yet unindicted) Governor has encouraged the industry-to his credit.

959 revobob  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:54:40pm

re: #847 NY NanaI've had similar experiences. I had Scarlet Fever at about 8, and sulfa drugs were the treatment back then (fortunately leeching had just gone out of favor/) and the drugs almost killed me. You have to watch because many drugs for hypertension are also sulfonamides. I once called a molecular diagram on the prescription info form to a pharmacists' attention, and she dismissed it as "just this little thingie over on the side". I didn't fill the prescription!

960 Afrocity  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:54:42pm

re: #955 WhiteRasta

you need an avatar

961 Kronocide  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:55:32pm

re: #954 Racer X

I find Maddow idiotic, but she's got a little strange hottiness in a butch kind of way. Doesn't mean I can watch(listen) for long periods of time. I mean, she's not that hot.

962 Nevergiveup  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:56:18pm

UN to compile Gaza war casualty report

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Compile all you want, and then stick it where the sun don't shine.

963 quickredfox  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:56:49pm

re: #955 WhiteRasta

I suppose that other foods make up for it. She can eat an apple pie, but not a fresh apple.

964 Kronocide  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:57:03pm

re: #962 Nevergiveup

It will probably be a big stinky compile of crap.

965 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:57:43pm
966 albusteve  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 2:59:39pm

re: #958 BigMoo

We used to call it "the town that time forgot". As a short haired, government looking 'Weddo', I usually got some prety good stares when I walked into a Northern NM restautant (lol).
Lot's of good movies shot in NM- so many great locations and the (as yet unindicted) Governor has encouraged the industry-to his credit.

there is all kinds of push here in ABQ...tax breaks, new studios, technical classes at UNM etc...there are movies being filmed all the time here....and that big ass western town south east of Santa Fe is well used to...that place is pretty cool

967 revobob  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:00:33pm

re: #866 Honorary Yooper

I have no idea where you guys are coming from, but it's obviously not the Upper Midwest, centered on Wisconsin. We've always had a wide variety of cheese, and they do taste rather different with different consistencies. We also have a wide variety of sausages.


AMEN! Raised in Milwaukee- drove to Prairie Hill (Swiss dairying community) in central Wisconsin regularly for cheeses that had very definite personalities. And sausage! Milwaukee is a mixing pot for much of Europe with Polish, Lithuanian, Magyar, Italian and the obvious German traditions (among others). What sells for sausage here in the LA/OC area is pale shadows of the real stuff!

968 WhiteRasta  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:01:26pm

re: #960 Afrocity

Could not find one ugly enough!

969 Mr Pancakes  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:02:01pm

re: #948 notutopia

No spin?

Certainly one of disgust as one might imagine. I was working at the time and heard the mention of LGF and bits and pieces. He asked his audience if they would be surprised to learn that this beheading happened here.

970 albusteve  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:02:32pm

re: #967 revobob

AMEN! Raised in Milwaukee- drove to Prairie Hill (Swiss dairying community) in central Wisconsin regularly for cheeses that had very definite personalities. And sausage! Milwaukee is a mixing pot for much of Europe with Polish, Lithuanian, Magyar, Italian and the obvious German traditions (among others). What sells for sausage here in the LA/OC area is pale shadows of the real stuff!

Amish/Mennonite foods from northern Indiana...mmmm tastey

971 RedHouseBlueState  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:02:37pm

I will take this opportunity to proudly and patriotically salute the Father of this great nation on the anniversary of his birth.

I highly recommend David McCullough's book 1776

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

I couldn't put it down. Washington doesn't just come alive, he struts right out of history into a living, breathing person. You have to admire his guts. The reason he was chosen to lead the army was basically two reasons. First, he had military experience, having lost a battle during the French and Indian War, and was about 6" taller than anyone else in the room. There was no one else to pick up the cause, it was either Washington, or defeat. The history in this book is well worth the investment in the time it takes to read.

Full disclosure: I make not one red cent off the sale of this book!

Happy Birthday Mr. President!

972 Sunlight  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:04:50pm

OMG an east coast lib just described to me the $8k tax rebate for "first time home buyers", which consists of not having owned a house in the last 3 years (WTF?!?), no closing costs, very low interest rate, etc. for a house they are buying. No means test - these people have owned major houses before and currently own a sailboat and boxter and take scuba trips to exotic places ... I said I feel like a dunce because we've stayed in our same house (way more modest than these people's new digs), made all the payments, etc. And I'm thinking that our taxes will go up and pay for these people to move up. Or our kids will be paying it later. And they say it's just great because they might not buy the house if these things weren't happening and they feel great that they are doing their part to get the real estate market going again, hiring painters, etc. Puh-leeeez!

973 lifeofthemind  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:05:00pm

re: #956 Afrocity

LOL. That was a knee slapper.

Or I have been on a date and the guy says "Well I am sorry but nuts are included with this package"

Familiarity is essential for humor to work, that is why it is culture specific. Originality is rare.

974 GGMac  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:05:24pm

re: #902 EmmmieG

Just my thoughts on the "greatest president" thing. (Please note: If you have studied enough history to have an opinion, you have my respect.)

I respect both presidents greatly.

Take the one--a homely, motherless boy, with no encouragement to learn (he did his lessons with a burned stick on the back of a shovel), no rich relations to help him out, nobody that he could ever call his mentor, nothing but a burning desire to learn and to be somebody.

You've got to respect that.

Then the other--born into every privilege, given by nature every possible talent and attribute, entitled to think of himself as naturally born to rule, hanging on by a thread at Valley Forge, tricking the British with his misinformation, defeating what was then the world's greatest army, and then...happily going home to farm.

Gotta like that, too.

On the one hand you've got the greatest speech given in this country, on the other you've got a man that could inspire by small act and word . You've got two wars that had to be won. You've got two men that did what they had to do, but which few others could have done, and in the doing brought liberty to millions.

I am proud to call myself an American if what they are is American.

I sincerely pray that you are a history teacher - and that by some miracle my grandchildren are/will be in your class!

975 itellu3times  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:07:08pm

re: #831 A.W.

Washington is underated in some circles as president, but bluntly, his presidency (and that doesn't include his generalship in the revolution) was not as great as lincoln's. Lincoln freed the slaves and saved the union. Washington, as president, didn't do anything quite as tremendous. But he did establish important precedents that helped us remain a republic and not a monarchy or some other abomination. One only has to look at how Napoleon did NOT rise to his circumstnaces to see how great a president Washington was. Washington could have done that, too, but he had, dare i say, an even greater ambition: to be father to a republic. That is Washington's great contribution as President. But really, its hard for anyone to beat Lincoln's achievements.

That's a danged odd comment about Napoleon, but moving on ... Washington held together the Continental Army by sheer force of personality, and (barely) got the support for it from the politicians, again as much for him as for the army or for themselves. OTOH, this was all pre-presidential. If all he did in office was provide a precedent for the republic to exist, selah.

976 albusteve  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:07:14pm

re: #971 RedHouseBlueState

1776...have it...excellent just like you say

977 lifeofthemind  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:07:19pm

I see the evening ID blood pit is open for business so I will go make a meal. Goodnight ladies.

978 revobob  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:11:07pm

re: #970 albusteve
There were sizeable Mennonite communities in Wisconsin too. I don't remember much about their food that disguished it from some regional variations of German, but I'll second the "Yummmmm!"

979 capitalist piglet  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:13:56pm

re: #967 revobob

AMEN! Raised in Milwaukee- drove to Prairie Hill (Swiss dairying community) in central Wisconsin regularly for cheeses that had very definite personalities. And sausage! Milwaukee is a mixing pot for much of Europe with Polish, Lithuanian, Magyar, Italian and the obvious German traditions (among others). What sells for sausage here in the LA/OC area is pale shadows of the real stuff!

Double-AMEN! I was raised in central Wisconsin. Carr Valley Cheese (made in that area) is my favorite. I try to tell people in Seattle that it's much better than Washington cheese, and they don't believe me...until they taste it.

980 BigMoo  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:15:54pm

re: #966 albusteve

'Milagro Bean Field War'- the consummate movie about northern New Mexico. Great photography, great story and actors.

981 Mr Spiffy  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:16:38pm

re: #85 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*rimshot*

*rimjob*

982 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:19:28pm
983 reine.de.tout  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:19:57pm

re: #878 GGMac

My #858 - incomplete; for some reason this scroll function has been on a hissy-fit lately.

Anyway - #651 JHW, your comment brought to mind Thurber's playful take on Little Red Riding Hood:

"Once pon term there wurst ladle gull named Ladle Rat Rotten Hut..."

Don't remember it all - Buzzsaw probably does!

Really funny.

Ladle Rat Rotten Hut

984 USBeast  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:20:06pm

re: #902 EmmmieG

Bravo, good post.

I put Washington in the top spot, largely for his refusal to take the Napoleonic route. He saw it as his duty to establish the Constitution and the rule of law. I also have a sneaking suspicion that, having had to fight one King George, he could not bring himself to become another, but that's probably whimsy on my part.

Probably the greatest tragedy to befall our nation was Lincoln's assassination. I firmly believe that, had he been able to serve out his second term, the evils of Reconstruction would have never occurred. The assassination killed any chance of reconciliation "with malice toward none, with charity toward all...". Had Lincoln had that chance, I believe his monument would be twice the size it is and his legacy of Olympian proportion.

985 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:23:04pm
986 vapig  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:25:13pm

re: #984 USBeast

Bravo, good post.

I put Washington in the top spot, largely for his refusal to take the Napoleonic route. He saw it as his duty to establish the Constitution and the rule of law. I also have a sneaking suspicion that, having had to fight one King George, he could not bring himself to become another, but that's probably whimsy on my part.

Probably the greatest tragedy to befall our nation was Lincoln's assassination. I firmly believe that, had he been able to serve out his second term, the evils of Reconstruction would have never occurred. The assassination killed any chance of reconciliation "with malice toward none, with charity toward all...". Had Lincoln had that chance, I believe his monument would be twice the size it is and his legacy of Olympian proportion.

Odd that you use the term "Olympian" considering his monument looks like Zeus staring down at you.....

987 NY Nana  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:26:08pm

re: #959 revobob

What happens now, in the age of computers, etc., it 200% inexcusable.

Because I am a diabetic, I am a bunch of meds, but am actually glad that I am on insulin; less likely to have any allergic response by far. I was put on furosemide, which does have a sulfa component. My B/P is actually low, and was before I was put on it. My MD had me sit in the waiting room for about 2 hours after I took the first dose...no problem. But I was given Cipro when I had a mild case of pneumonia, while staying in London, with friends. ( The houseguest of the year!) Their private internist assured me that it would be OK, as did the pharmacist...that again nearly finished me off..there is a sulfonamide in it. So the only one that has not done any damage is the diuretic. I am very contrary! ;) It is probably me having a synergistic reaction.

You must shudder whenever you get a new prescription.

I wish with all my heart that they Government would ban all prescription drug ads on TV, in magazines, newspapers, name it...patients ask for samples and prescriptions for any new medication, and they get them..it takes less time than actually sitting down and talking to the patient.

I take the postcards out and send them blank back to the pharmaceutical company blank..NY Nana's revenge! ;)

And the OTC meads also get far too much flogging in the media to make people buy them.

/I think I will take something. All this thinking is giving me a headache!

988 Caliredst8r  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:29:07pm

re: #971 RedHouseBlueState

I'm reading that book right now, for the 3rd time. Very good book!

989 GGMac  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:29:27pm

re: #983 reine.de.tout

Ladle Rat Rotten Hut


Ahhh...thank you, reine!

990 USBeast  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:47:29pm

re: #986 vapig

Odd that you use the term "Olympian" considering his monument looks like Zeus staring down at you.....

I have never seen the memorial in person, but looking at the photos he actually seems to gazing off...into the future, perhaps.

991 notutopia  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:51:45pm

re: #969 Mr Pancakes
LGF, Charles, reports it as it is. Always, just the facts. No spin. Just truthful facts. I'm glad to hear that others are picking it up. And, that they are giving credit for the origin. Then, people who hear it, can come back to the actual posting here and validate the facts for themselves.

992 GGMac  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 3:52:13pm

re: #987 NY Nana

What happens now, in the age of computers, etc., it 200% inexcusable.

Because I am a diabetic, I am a bunch of meds, but am actually glad that I am on insulin; less likely to have any allergic response by far. I was put on furosemide, which does have a sulfa component. My B/P is actually low, and was before I was put on it. My MD had me sit in the waiting room for about 2 hours after I took the first dose...no problem. But I was given Cipro when I had a mild case of pneumonia, while staying in London, with friends. ( The houseguest of the year!) Their private internist assured me that it would be OK, as did the pharmacist...that again nearly finished me off..there is a sulfonamide in it. So the only one that has not done any damage is the diuretic. I am very contrary! ;) It is probably me having a synergistic reaction.

You must shudder whenever you get a new prescription.

I wish with all my heart that they Government would ban all prescription drug ads on TV, in magazines, newspapers, name it...patients ask for samples and prescriptions for any new medication, and they get them..it takes less time than actually sitting down and talking to the patient.

I take the postcards out and send them blank back to the pharmaceutical company blank..NY Nana's revenge! ;)

And the OTC meads also get far too much flogging in the media to make people buy them.

/I think I will take something. All this thinking is giving me a headache!

Another problem is the generic drugs being manufactured in China for pharmaceutical co's everywhere. Walgreen switched one of mine from name brand to generic - same drug in capsule, but different filler - to which I had a reaction. Another example is benzonatate made in china. The drug supresses cough by numbing - big, bold warnings to not chew or break, as paralyzing numbness can occur in the throat - and bring on a swift and horrible choking/suffocating demise. A gel-cap - USA made are fine, but the ones from China began to LEAK within a couple of weeks.

They have such distain for our children that toys, etc made there are poisoned with lead - so why would we put our trust in any drugs being manufactured there? The contaminated heparin (last fall) was manufactured in China - the first step in that process being the "cottage" (shack) industry of scraping the inner lining of pigs' intestines; that substance then dried - and sold as a component of heparin. Melanine is far from the only poison being mass-produced by our dear trading partners, the Chinese.

993 spgass  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 4:50:50pm

re: #8 Sharmuta

George Washington is my favorite as well. I highly recommend watching The Crossing, if you haven't seen it. I wrote a bit about Washington, Mount Vernon, and the movie on my blog today if interested.

BTW, I'm a new LGF "hatchling" today.

994 RebelDebater  Mon, Feb 16, 2009 9:48:36pm

re: #32 Sharmuta

Washington. He won our independence, he headed the Constitutional convention that would have fallen apart without his steadying influence, he molded the Presidency that we still see to this day in ways many people don't realize, he shocked the world resigning his commission after defeating the British- I could go on and on. But there was no man that could have assumed the Presidency besides him- he was considered the Father of the nation, and the people would have no other. Without him, the great experiment known as America might not have even happened.

Ya Washington setting the precedent for a traditional 2 term-limit was a blessing...unfortunately we still had some failures slip through the cracks and end up with more than 2 terms...

995 Apprentice  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 4:46:59pm

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