Chinese Ships Harass US Navy Vessel

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Joltin’ Joe Biden warned that Obama would be tested; now it’s China’s turn.

WASHINGTON �— The Pentagon charged Monday that five Chinese ships shadowed and maneuvered dangerously close to a U.S. Navy vessel in an apparent attempt to harass the American crew.

Defense officials in the Obama administration said the incident Sunday followed several days of “increasingly aggressive” acts by Chinese ships in the region. The incident took place in international waters in the South China Sea, about 75 miles south of Hainan Island.

U.S. officials said a protest was lodged with the Chinese government over the weekend and it was to be repeated to a Beijing military attache at a Pentagon meeting Monday.

The USNS Impeccable sprayed one ship with water from fire hoses to force it away. Despite the force of the water, Chinese crew members stripped to their underwear and continued closing within 25 feet, the Defense Department said.

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827 comments
1 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:13:58am

The blood is in the water

2 joncelli  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:14:54am

Testing. They did the same thing to W by forcing down the intelligence aircraft in early 2001.

3 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:15:00am
Chinese crew members stripped to their underwear and continued closing within 25 feet, the Defense Department said.

The Obama administration announced plans to file a sexual harassment suit against the Chinese sailors.

/

4 LGoPs  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:15:02am

Sounds eerily similar to the Intelligence gathering aircraft they forced down early in Bush's tenure IIRC

5 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:15:11am

This comes at the same time as Korea prepping for war footing ahead of their missile launch and the military excercise in South Korea. Interesting test from the orient, if you recall Bush was greeted with one from them as well with the downed plane.

6 outsidephilly  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:15:15am

re: #1 NYCHardhat

The blood is in the water


I read this earlier, its quite unsettling!

7 Nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:15:19am

Chinese crew members stripped to their underwear and continued closing within 25 feet, the Defense Department said.

I wonder of the Chinese have women on their ships?

8 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:15:33am

Testing, testing, testing...

Can you say, "EP-3 Incident"?

9 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:15:43am

You would think that a "shot across the bow" would have been from something a little stronger than a fire hose. What's next . . .a strongly worded letter? Oh wait, the sent TWO!

10 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:15:47am

re: #2 joncelli

Testing. They did the same thing to W by forcing down the intelligence aircraft in early 2001.

That was the Norks, not the Chinese correct?

11 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:16:03am
Chinese crew members stripped to their underwear and continued closing within 25 feet


Heh. Sounds like fun.

12 Nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:16:06am

re: #10 Thanos

That was the Norks, not the Chinese correct?

No it was the Chinese

13 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:16:13am

re: #1 NYCHardhat

The blood is in the water

...and the sharks are gathering.

14 freetoken  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:16:39am

re: #2 joncelli

Yup... it is rather straightforward of the Chinese, really. Same idea - simply to see how the new administration handles stressful situations.

15 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:16:39am

re: #6 outsidephilly

I read this earlier, its quite unsettling!

I know its not just me, but I feel like a one legged man in an ass kicking contest.

16 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:16:44am

re: #12 Nevergiveup

No it was the Chinese

Thanks, I couldn't remember. Interesting indeed, just like the curse.

17 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:17:02am

re: #2 joncelli

Testing. They did the same thing to W by forcing down the intelligence aircraft in early 2001.

Correct you are. IIRC that was April 2001.

18 astronmr20  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:17:09am

Iran has tested another missile in addition to the one they sent to space 3 weeks ago, North Korea is about to launch a "satellite" and is now at full battle-readiness, and now this.

Nah... it can't be because of BHO...

This will all still somehow be "Bush's fault."

Trust me.

19 Opinionated  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:17:10am

Joltin’ Joe Biden warned that Obama would be tested..... but not every day.

And fail every test.

20 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:17:14am

Here's the ship they harassed:

USNS Impeccable

21 Colonel Panik  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:17:15am

re: #10 Thanos

That was the Norks, not the Chinese correct?

No it was the Chicoms. And in the same area too, the plane was forced to land at an Chinese military base on Hainan Island, IIRC.

22 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:17:20am

And we're only going to see more of this.

23 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:17:21am

re: #9 Creeping Eruption

You would think that a "shot across the bow" would have been from something a little stronger than a fire hose. What's next . . .a strongly worded letter? Oh wait, the sent TWO!

The US ship was unarmed...

24 Dianna  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:17:23am

Why not just say, "Weapons free" and have done?

25 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:17:29am

re: #13 EmmmieG

...and the sharks are gathering.

Oh, wait, the sharks are gathering and they are preparing to moon us.

26 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:17:45am

re: #19 Opinionated

Joltin’ Joe Biden warned that Obama would be tested..... but not every day.

And fail every test.

Torpedo across the bow.

27 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:17:51am

The Chinese tested GWB when he entered office when they forced down that Navy aircraft and held the crew for spying. GWB got through it without pissing too much away.

We'll see if the Chinese get more aggressive, or if Obama appease with very little provocation.

28 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:17:54am

I have a bad feeling about this...

that the Obama administration will bungle it completely.

29 Shr_Nfr  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:17:55am

The next Navy to challenge ours will be the Swiss. Perhaps if they used more than water hoses on these guys, it might make an impression.

30 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:18:05am

And to think that Michelle gave the British PM's kids a couple of nice Chinese made toy helicopters* when they visited. //

*OK, so I am assuming they were Chinese made. They certainly looked cheap enough to be.

31 Leonidas Hoplite  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:18:07am
U.S. officials said a protest was lodged with the Chinese government over the weekend and it was to be repeated to a Beijing military attache at a Pentagon meeting Monday.

Have these protests been approved by the One? I think he might want to engage in some preemptive groveling instead.

32 Phil Flavin  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:18:17am

This is just a made up story by the administration. This way, that war monger BushMcHitler can have some more military spending and go to war with the word!

Wait........
Confused Moonbat off

33 joncelli  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:18:27am

re: #10 Thanos

No, definitely the Chinese.

34 Westward Ho  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:18:32am

re: #10 Thanos


No, it was the Chinese.

35 rightside  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:18:35am

re: #1 NYCHardhat


All he needs to do is employ diplomacy, then those Bush hating Chinese will stop their aggressive actions.

/chum

36 quickjustice  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:18:44am

Why confront our Navy guys when the Chinese can merely foreclose on those vessels?

37 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:18:46am

This is going to end up being about Sunda straits and S. China seas. Reagan or any of the Bush's would follow by a cruise through them with the fleet. Let's see what the O does.

38 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:18:48am

re: #3 DaddyG

The Obama administration announced plans to file a sexual harassment suit against the Chinese sailors.

/

It would likely fail due to lack of evidence.

39 Shr_Nfr  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:18:58am

re: #28 Honorary Yooper

Why break a perfect record?

40 Buck  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:19:19am

The US Navy has unarmed ships?


WTF?

41 Nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:19:23am

re: #23 Charles

The US ship was unarmed...

Well that ship might have been but I am confident that it's "BIG BROTHERS" were lurking not far away.

42 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:19:29am
Despite the force of the water, Chinese crew members stripped to their underwear and continued closing within 25 feet

Paging OR.

43 outsidephilly  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:19:43am

re: #15 NYCHardhat

I know its not just me, but I feel like a one legged man in an ass kicking contest.


Seems the US is getting lots of little pokes here, and little pokes there. I wonder what 44 thinks about this.......

44 turn  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:19:51am

re: #18 astronmr20

You got that right. Wait until there is another domestic terrorist attack, same thing - Bush's fault since he provoked it.

45 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:19:57am

re: #23 Charles

The US ship was unarmed...

I guess I am surprised that we would have un-armed ships, and un-armed ships without armed escort.

46 rightside  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:20:04am

The chinese must have been having their shellback initiation LOL

Old salts will understand what I mean

47 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:20:06am

re: #36 quickjustice

Why confront our Navy guys when the Chinese can merely foreclose on those vessels?

Comment of the day.

Mega updings.

48 Opinionated  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:20:12am

Is the US more angry with Harassing Chinese or those pesky Jews? How much do the Chinese have to do to merit a "strain" in relations?

Housing Spat Strains Israeli-U.S. Ties

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

49 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:20:13am

re: #20 subsailor68

Here's the ship they harassed:

USNS Impeccable

Hmmm... Is it there to keep an eye on what the Norks are doing?

50 Colonel Panik  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:20:29am

China wants control of the Spratley Islands. So do Vietnam and the Phillipines.

51 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:20:30am

You will never hear the words superpower and America in the same sentence again.

52 astronmr20  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:20:31am

I have a "sinking" feeling that if China wants Taiwan, it's theirs for the taking.

53 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:20:42am

Do we still have enough fire power to cover our flanks? Or has 44 cut the military budget to pay for universal health care and the big 3?///

54 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:20:48am

re: #40 Buck

The US Navy has unarmed ships?

WTF?

There's probably some "Captain's Arms" in the form of handguns or such in cabin lockers.

55 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:20:59am

re: #43 outsidephilly

Seems the US is getting lots of little pokes here, and little pokes there. I wonder what 44 thinks about this.......

Just let him finish his waffle and take a nap.

56 rightside  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:21:01am

The Navy does not only have warships.

57 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:21:08am

re: #40 Buck

The US Navy has unarmed ships?

WTF?

It's a surveillance ship, kind of a U-2 for the seas.

58 Kragar  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:21:09am

re: #10 Thanos

That was the Norks, not the Chinese correct?

No, it was the Chinese.

59 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:21:15am

Were the Chinese sailors wearing red underwear?

60 outsidephilly  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:21:16am

re: #51 NYCHardhat

You will never hear the words superpower and America in the same sentence again.


oh my, that breaks my heart . . . . . . . .

61 Colonel Panik  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:21:30am

re: #49 Ward Cleaver

Hmmm... Is it there to keep an eye on what the Norks are doing?

Where this is happening is way south of North Korea. Closer to Vietnam and the Phillipines.

62 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:21:31am

re: #43 outsidephilly

Seems the US is getting lots of little pokes here, and little pokes there. I wonder what 44 thinks about this.......

He can think?

63 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:21:35am

re: #51 NYCHardhat

You will never hear the words superpower and America in the same sentence again.

I wouldn't say never. Just not in the next four years.

64 ted  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:21:43am

Maybe they were just trying to make a delivery..........

65 outsidephilly  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:22:05am

re: #62 Erik The Red

He can think?


Ya know, Erik, ya got a point there.

66 quickjustice  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:22:32am

It's an underseas intelligence gathering ship. That explains the harassment. There probably were Chinese subs operating the the area.

67 Phil Flavin  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:22:39am

re: #64 ted

Maybe they were just trying to make a delivery..........

Make a delivery, send a message,......same thing

68 pegcity  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:22:42am

i called it.

next their gonna make a play for Taiwan

69 sphincter  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:22:42am

China wants control of the Spratley Islands. So do Vietnam and the Phillipines.

Hey, they are our Sugar Daddy now. Whatever China wants, China is going to get.

Learn Mandarin and get ahead of the curve already.

70 CIA Reject  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:22:49am

re: #40 Buck

The US Navy has unarmed ships?

WTF?

Technically it was not a US Navy ship, but a naval research vessel of the Military Sealift Command. MSC carries out a lot of logistics missions for the Navy, some of them very sensitive, using unarmed ships.

71 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:22:59am

re: #54 Thanos

There's probably some "Captain's Arms" in the form of handguns or such in cabin lockers.

What about some Captain's Wafers?

/mmmmm...

72 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:23:08am

re: #63 Ford_Prefect

I wouldn't say never. Just not in the next four years.

It'll take us more than four to get out of this mess.

73 red satellite  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:23:10am
Despite the force of the water, Chinese crew members stripped to their underwear and continued closing within 25 feet...

Huh? Did they think they are in a Wet T-Shirt contest

74 danrudy  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:23:20am

Underwear…..?

Ahhh…The famous Peking duck (peeking dick) maneuver. Admiral Halsey wrote about it in his memoirs while engaged in the South Pacific Theater

75 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:23:24am

re: #49 Ward Cleaver

Hmmm... Is it there to keep an eye on what the Norks are doing?

Most of their gear is sonar related as I understand it. I was wondering whether or not the Chinese ships harassed her to distract her while one of their subs transited the area.

76 outsidephilly  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:23:37am

bbiaw

77 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:23:38am

re: #61 Colonel Panik

Where this is happening is way south of North Korea. Closer to Vietnam and the Phillipines.

Ahh, okay. What about tracking Nork missile/satellite launches? Still too far south?

78 Buck  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:23:39am

re: #20 subsailor68

Here's the ship they harassed:

USNS Impeccable

Does that look like the "Doomsday Machine" from Star Trek or what?

79 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:24:09am

re: #78 Buck

Does that look like the "Doomsday Machine" from Star Trek or what?

It does look pretty badass.

80 Kragar  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:24:12am

The Chinese are going thru a major upgrade and expansion of their naval forces.

Meanwhile, we have our own Navy saying we should downsize and rely on a UN support for our ships, relying on Canada, Mexico and South America to round out a 1000 ship navy.

I dont see how that could lead to any problems.

/

81 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:24:40am

re: #75 subsailor68

Most of their gear is sonar related as I understand it. I was wondering whether or not the Chinese ships harassed her to distract her while one of their subs transited the area.

They could just pull an Obama, and use shiny objects.

82 Opinionated  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:24:40am

re: #40 Buck

The US Navy has unarmed ships?

WTF?

Shouldn't the question be - will the US have any armed ships when Obama guts defense?

83 rightside  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:25:03am

re: #78 Buck

"Commodore Decker, not with MY ship!"

/boy, we sure could use Capt. Kirk

84 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:25:11am

re: #78 Buck

Does that look like the "Doomsday Machine" from Star Trek or what?

No.

85 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:25:17am

Will this be another reason for the Leftoids to scream we need to slash our defense budget even more than previously proposed?

86 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:25:38am

re: #80 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Chinese are going thru a major upgrade and expansion of their naval forces.

Meanwhile, we have our own Navy saying we should downsize and rely on a UN support for our ships, relying on Canada, Mexico and South America to round out a 1000 ship navy.

I dont see how that could lead to any problems.

/

The M.S.S. Montezuma's Revenge?

87 Kragar  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:26:11am

re: #84 Walter L. Newton

No.

Looks more like a tender, or does it have a catamaran type hull?

88 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:26:11am

OK - no one bother me.

The Girl Scout Cookies just arrived and I am scarfing down a box of Thin Mints.

Leave me alone till I am done.

89 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:26:16am

re: #80 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Chinese are going thru a major upgrade and expansion of their naval forces.

Meanwhile, we have our own Navy saying we should downsize and rely on a UN support for our ships, relying on Canada, Mexico and South America to round out a 1000 ship navy.

I dont see how that could lead to any problems.

/

Yes, and gearing our entire military to 4g warfare and ignoring the next big war couldn't possibly go wrong either.

//

90 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:26:18am

re: #78 Buck

Does that look like the "Doomsday Machine" from Star Trek or what?

A little bit! It's interesting that the crew is something like 25 contractors and about 25 Navy personnel. Not a very large crew.

91 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:26:27am

re: #85 FurryOldGuyJeans

Will this be another reason for the Leftoids to scream we need to slash our defense budget even more than previously proposed?

Why not - that way we wouldn't offend people with our big, scary ships.

92 pegcity  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:26:34am

re: #80 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

i don't think you want to rely on us in canada for your Naval support, we have like 3 ships

93 Westward Ho  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:26:36am

America owes China a lot of money. Does not that bring in a whole new dynamic?

94 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:26:45am

Done.

/

95 brookly red  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:26:52am

re: #51 NYCHardhat

You will never hear the words superpower and America in the same sentence again.

It may take a while but never say never.

96 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:26:57am

re: #88 karmic_inquisitor

OK - no one bother me.

The Girl Scout Cookies just arrived and I am scarfing down a box of Thin Mints.

Leave me alone till I am done.

Hey, gimme one!

/my kids

97 abaleh  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:26:58am

re: #20 subsailor68

Here's the ship they harassed:

USNS Impeccable

From GlobalSecurity:


The mission of the T-AGOS 23 Class ships is to collect, process, and transmit acoustic data in support of the Integrated Undersea Surveillance System (IUSS) mission requirements. The ship will be operated by the Military Sealift Command (MSC) utilizing both civilian and naval personnel to carry out its mission. In short, this vessel is used by the military to track submarines, and is the quietest vessel the government operates, outside of submarines themselves.
98 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:27:04am

re: #88 karmic_inquisitor

OK - no one bother me.

The Girl Scout Cookies just arrived and I am scarfing down a box of Thin Mints.

Leave me alone till I am done.

I'm working on a box of Samoas...yum.

99 vxbush  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:27:10am

re: #88 karmic_inquisitor

OK - no one bother me.

The Girl Scout Cookies just arrived and I am scarfing down a box of Thin Mints.

Leave me alone till I am done.

Enjoy one for me, okay? It's just wrong that a chocoholic can't enjoy a Thin Mint because of the wheat.

*sniff*

100 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:27:18am

re: #85 FurryOldGuyJeans

Will this be another reason for the Leftoids to scream we need to slash our defense budget even more than previously proposed?

Obama is way ahead of you. How do you think he is going to pay for all of his pork. Slash defense budget, raise taxes, and a bake sale. Thus making America just one of many countries. He does not want us to be a superpower. Apologies if I'm upsetting anyone.

101 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:27:20am

re: #83 rightside

"Commodore Decker, not with MY ship!"

/boy, we sure could use Capt. Kirk

Do we have a problem with green women? Or just too many redshirts?

/

102 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:27:37am

re: #81 Ward Cleaver

They could just pull an Obama, and use shiny objects.

Well, Reagan had SDI. Why can't Obama have SLODI?

(Shiny Little Objects Defense Initiative.)

103 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:27:46am

Here's where Bambi's utter lack of foreign policy savvy is going to bite the U.S. in the ass.

Beijing doesn't need to invade Taiwan. Taiwan will necessarily begin schmoozing up to the Mainland, trying to cut the best deal possible under the circumstances.

/Taiwan can't count on Bambi for shit

104 itellu3times  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:27:49am

re: #93 Westward Ho

America owes China a lot of money. Does not that bring in a whole new dynamic?

Yep, in our favor!

105 rightside  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:27:56am

re: #94 karmic_inquisitor


Did you ever see that avatar I posted to you?

106 pegcity  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:28:03am

is the US navy part of the easement Hillary agreed too?

when does China take delivery?

107 abaleh  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:28:10am

re: #77 Ward Cleaver

Ahh, okay. What about tracking Nork missile/satellite launches? Still too far south?

It's main mission is underwater surveilance. I'm sure missile tracking ships are in the area of North Korea to monitor the launch.

108 Opinionated  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:28:18am

re: #88 karmic_inquisitor

OK - no one bother me.

The Girl Scout Cookies just arrived and I am scarfing down a box of Thin Mints.

Leave me alone till I am done.

Not fair that only you have cookies. In the Age of Obama you must spread around the cookies.

109 CapeCoddah  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:28:24am

I sure wish America had a President. We could use one right about now.

110 rightside  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:28:25am

re: #98 scottishbuzzsaw


tagalongs FTW!

111 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:28:25am

I think my new avatar says it all.

112 opnion  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:28:51am

I wonder if Obama is shocked that the world is not basking in his glow , or did even he know that it was all delusional?

113 Nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:28:52am

re: #109 CapeCoddah

I sure wish America had a President. We could use one right about now.

He is living down in Texas

114 turn  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:29:18am

re: #92 pegcity

i don't think you want to rely on us in canada for your Naval support, we have like 3 ships

New Zealand had one, I saw it in Auckland a few years back.

115 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:29:22am

re: #111 Erik The Red

I think my new avatar says it all.

I like what you've done.

116 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:29:23am

re: #90 subsailor68

A little bit! It's interesting that the crew is something like 25 contractors and about 25 Navy personnel. Not a very large crew.

A friend of mine who just retired as a Captain from the Navy told me that most boats these days are "missile barges with an IT staff". He basically said that he parks em and the Pentagon pushes the buttons.

We may see an era of many ships with smaller crews.

117 LGoPs  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:29:25am

re: #40 Buck

The US Navy has unarmed ships?


WTF?

Under Obama, the ships will be armed with strong rhetoric. A new class of warship starting with:
U.S.S Rhetoric
U.S.S. Harsh Language
U.S.S. Furrowed Brow

118 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:29:26am

0bama will apologize in 3...2...1...

I'd start operating a US submarine in the area, and at first, ping all the harassing vessels.

119 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:29:26am

re: #107 abaleh

It's main mission is underwater surveilance. I'm sure missile tracking ships are in the area of North Korea to monitor the launch.

Yep, here's what will be watching the North Koreans.

[Link: noblesseoblige.org...]

120 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:29:40am

re: #78 Buck

Does that look like the "Doomsday Machine" from Star Trek or what?

Looks more like a nice juicy target to a belligerent.

121 Opinionated  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:29:41am

re: #113 Nevergiveup

He is living down in Texas

G W Bush was no prize. Nor his father.

122 HelloDare  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:29:55am

This is an awful time for this to happen. Obama being tired and all. I wish China could have picked a better time. /

123 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:30:01am

From some of my pre-election commentaries

In the face of perilous times and tremendous difficulties, America is faced with a stark and real choice: between my proven record of leadership and accountability in public office against a man with no record of ever delivering anything and no proven ability except to make friends with people most Americans would have nothing to do with.

Rather than just learn our lessons and do what we normally do, dust ourselves off and move on, fixing what needs fixing, for the first time in our history, we are considering a radical overhaul of what it means to be America. We are preparing to take liberty itself and redefine it, appointing leaders who who will monitor everything we do and force us to measure up to THEIR standards, not ours.

Before we go down the road to European socialism, perhaps we should ask if European socialism works. In modern Europe, the residents do not reproduce, birthrates are at a rate for significant population decline. European socialism deprives people of their desire to work for themselves and create something of value to pass on to another generation. Forty years ago, there were several taxpayers per dependent recipient, today there are almost as many recipients as dependents. Eurosocialism talks about sustainability but has none itself.

1. The Economy- The future of America is fixing our energy dependence problem and preserving the engine of wealth and job creation in America- small businesses. Obama's plans will ruin small business and growth in our economy for years to come. McCain will cut government and taxes- the two things proven to create growth and jobs. Obama will grow the recession by increased taxes and spending. He will NOT end our energy independence unless some genius in Silicon Valley really can make microbes in mass quantities that make oil. Nukes and drilling will die the second Obama is in office.

2. The global crisis- Joe Biden spoke great truth yesterday. Obama would be tested in his first days in office. He will face a challenge from some malign person or groups and he will fail. Like all socialists, he is a weakling and a quitter who will not fight for freedom. Whether Putin starts crushing the Chechens, Latvians or Ingush, Iranian mideast mayhem or Kenyan pogroms against the enemies of the Luo tribe, or all together to just overwhelm tyro in his first days, assume the worst and Obama will not disappoint. Remember, enemies of America are praying for his victory because they know he will allow them to run wild and bring a quick end to the era of the indispensable nation.

3. Corruption and Ethics- Acorn is Obama and Obama is Acorn. From bogus registrations to oddly denominated contributions that smack of foreign denominated origin, add in Rezko and our Barry is Chicago ethics writ large. Do we really want a man who proudly funds the people seeking to undermine the sacred ballot box? Do we want a many who lies about his association with an apologetic terrorist? Do we want a man whose word is worthless? He made a promise to the McCain campaign and then broke it.

4. The War- Iraq may be ramping down but Afghanistan is ramping up and war with Iran over its nukes is a distinct possibility. Given his woeful ignorance of what is really happening in the world, his comments about how small a threat Iran is the case in point. Bill Clinton was more prepared to lead the US military than Obama; Billy was simply awful his first two years, but lucky, his years of learning were at a time when he had the luxury of time to learn without any real challenges.

Oh yeah, I called it.

124 astronmr20  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:30:05am

re: #114 turn

New Zealand had one, I saw it in Auckland a few years back.

For an Island country, that would make things sort of difficult for defense purposes, no?

125 Leonidas Hoplite  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:30:06am

re: #88 karmic_inquisitor

OK - no one bother me.

The Girl Scout Cookies just arrived and I am scarfing down a box of Thin Mints.

Leave me alone till I am done.

I'm halfway through a box of Caramel Delites...

126 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:30:22am

re: #97 abaleh

Great link, thanks!

Had to laugh at this line:

In short, this vessel is used by the military to track submarines, and is the quietest vessel the government operates, outside of submarines themselves.

The only major difference? THEY'RE ON THE SURFACE ! I CAN SEE 'EM!

:-)

127 danrudy  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:30:33am

re: #74 danrudy

Underwear…..?

Ahhh…The famous Peking duck (peeking dick) maneuver. Admiral Halsey wrote about it in his memoirs while engaged in the South Pacific Theater

No love?....
Ok, how about a "Peek and Duck" maneuver?

128 vxbush  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:30:34am

re: #117 LGoPs

Under Obama, the ships will be armed with strong rhetoric. A new class of warship starting with:
U.S.S Rhetoric
U.S.S. Harsh Language
U.S.S. Furrowed Brow

Actually, he'll have a whole new group of ships called the SWLs: Strongly Worded Letters.

129 turn  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:30:48am

re: #99 vxbush

Hi vx, are you allergic to wheat? That would suck.

130 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:30:48am

re: #121 Opinionated

G W Bush was no prize. Nor his father.

Bull fucking shit

131 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:30:49am

re: #115 NYCHardhat

I like what you've done.

Did it change? I can't see the new one:(

132 Golem Akbar  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:31:04am

Chinese crew members stripped to their underwear and continued closing within 25 feet

The horror!

133 Colonel Panik  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:31:11am

re: #77 Ward Cleaver

Ahh, okay. What about tracking Nork missile/satellite launches? Still too far south?

Most likely, unless the Norks are aiming at South China, the Phillipines or Vietnam. My guess is the same as the poster upstream...they were monitoring Chinese sub activities or possibly underwater oil/natural gas exploration near the Spratleys...or both.

134 pegcity  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:31:16am

re: #128 vxbush

USS here's my lunch money leave me alone

135 Russkilitlover  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:31:18am

re: #122 HelloDare

This is an awful time for this to happen. Obama being tired and all. I wish China could have picked a better time. /

It's what happens when you put foreign policy into "Snooze."

136 Aye Pod  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:31:21am

Galloway and co arrive in Gaza

Grown men crying, the siege is broken..they entered side by side like heroes, some on foot some in their vehicles, tears, smiles, hugs, flowers..it was historical, it was legendary..Gaza we are here..We have fulfilled the promise..Viva Palestina..your lifeline from the people of Britain to you the people of Gaza is here..

[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]

Warning - full text may cause vomiting, headache...

137 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:31:26am

re: #98 scottishbuzzsaw

I'm working on a box of Samoas...yum.

I've been craving a cookie for some time now, and y'all aint helping.

138 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:31:29am

re: #126 subsailor68

THEY'RE ON THE SURFACE ! I CAN SEE 'EM!

:-)

TARGETS!

139 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:31:35am
140 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:31:40am

re: #131 Erik The Red

Did it change? I can't see the new one:(

One
Big
Ass
Mistake
America

141 Kenneth  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:31:55am

re: #117 LGoPs

Under Obama, the ships will be armed with strong rhetoric. A new class of warship starting with:
U.S.S Rhetoric
U.S.S. Harsh Language
U.S.S. Furrowed Brow

Don't forget the new Strategic Air Command Unicorn Squadron!

142 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:32:00am

re: #99 vxbush

Enjoy one for me, okay? It's just wrong that a chocoholic can't enjoy a Thin Mint because of the wheat.

*sniff*

Sorry to hear that.

Maybe this Onion "op-ed" will cheer you up.

143 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:32:09am

Lizards might as well read up on the Spratleys, they are going to be in the news the next few years

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

144 astronmr20  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:32:22am

re: #136 Jimmah

Galloway and co arrive in Gaza

[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]

Warning - full text may cause vomiting, headache...

It's too bad the Egyptians couldn't have thrown their rocks a bit harder.

145 yma o hyd  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:32:33am

re: #37 Thanos

This is going to end up being about Sunda straits and S. China seas. Reagan or any of the Bush's would follow by a cruise through them with the fleet. Let's see what the O does.

Nuthin - except write a few more letters, perhaps ...

146 Spiritualized  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:32:36am

This could all be solved with a 25 DVD boxset.

147 HelloDare  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:32:40am

I only hope this doesn't put a crimp in Barack's basketball games.

148 Kenneth  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:32:43am

re: #122 HelloDare

This is an awful time for this to happen. Obama being tired and all. I wish China could have picked a better time. /

It's 3:00 PM Obama, time to wake up from your nap and answer the damn phone!

149 Opinionated  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:32:45am

re: #130 NYCHardhat

Bull fucking shit

LOL. Bush was great.

He left the Nation much better then a found it and -knowing he was being followed by Obama- made sure Iran wouldn't be minutes away from going nuclear.

/s

150 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:32:51am

re: #137 Chicago Blonde

I've been craving a cookie for some time now, and y'all aint helping.

{Chicago Blonde}...sorry.

151 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:32:55am
152 gonecamping  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:32:57am

Too bad they didn't any cardboard cutouts of Hillery and/ or Helen Thomas...that make the Chinese heel over and change course.

153 Joan Not of Arc  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:33:07am

The US is trying to scare away its enemies with fire hoses? I think the only inroads this administration will make will be from Pyongyang to Busan.
My friends, we are educated people. We are without a paddle, going up a certain creek which shall be nameless for now. Yikes.

154 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:33:07am

re: #105 rightside

Did you ever see that avatar I posted to you?

No. Where should I look?

155 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:33:22am

re: #131 Erik The Red

Did it change? I can't see the new one:(

You'll have to clear your browser's cache (temporary Internet files). Until you do, your browser will keep using the old one.

156 abaleh  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:33:23am

re: #119 Thanos

Yep, here's what will be watching the North Koreans.

[Link: noblesseoblige.org...]

and this

157 Mike McDaniel  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:33:51am

Next time, we'll use soap!

158 Dustyvet  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:33:53am

re: #36 quickjustice

Why confront our Navy guys when the Chinese can merely foreclose on those vessels?

Five Chinese ships full of Repo men...

/S

159 Golem Akbar  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:34:01am

re: #141 Kenneth

Don't forget the new Strategic Air Command Unicorn Squadron!


I want to add: USS Memo of Rebuke

160 vxbush  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:34:06am

re: #129 turn

Hi vx, are you allergic to wheat? That would suck.

Yeah, it's more that I'm super sensitive to being allergic, but I do much better when I don't eat wheat. Much, much better. To the point where I have fewer migraines as just one of the benefits.

161 Athos  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:34:12am

re: #128 vxbush

Actually, he'll have a whole new group of ships called the SWLs: Strongly Worded Letters.

He'll authorize the US to build those ships but donate them to the UN. If the UN has them, we don't need a Navy. Think of the cost savings.

/

162 rightside  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:34:22am

re: #154 karmic_inquisitor

Let me dig it back up and repost. Just a remake of your current one.

163 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:34:26am

re: #150 scottishbuzzsaw

{Chicago Blonde}...sorry.

Should I go to the bakery with the excuse of helping the economy?

164 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:34:37am

re: #143 Thanos

Lizards might as well read up on the Spratleys, they are going to be in the news the next few years

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

17.7 million tons of oil and natural gas. Oh, yeah, the islands will be news soon.

165 pegcity  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:34:40am

Obama has better things to do than worry about America's national security. God won't you selfish people realize that the man is tired.

166 turn  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:34:49am

re: #124 astronmr20

For an Island country, that would make things sort of difficult for defense purposes, no?

Yeah. I'm not sure how they justify this. Speaking of Chinese, there are also a ton of Chinese people getting an education in New Zealand.

167 Westward Ho  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:34:53am

re: #123 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

yup, you called it, I read a link posted in LGF that he is capping Yucca mountain storage facilities - so no nuke plants.

168 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:35:03am

re: #149 Opinionated

LOL. Bush was great.

He left the Nation much better then a found it and -knowing he was being followed by Obama- made sure Iran wouldn't be minutes away from going nuclear.

/s

Wow you sound just like all the moonbats that ripped him apart the last 8 years. I have no time for you.

169 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:35:03am

re: #140 NYCHardhat

One
Big
Ass
Mistake
America

How do I clear my cache?

170 Kenneth  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:35:16am

re: #159 Golem Akbar

I want to add: USS Memo of Rebuke Letter of Apology

FTFY!

171 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:35:23am

re: #105 rightside

Did you ever see that avatar I posted to you?

I like the 90,000 Tons of diplomacy!

We have 3 of those parked in Coronado Bay.

172 Sheepdogess  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:35:30am

Uhhh...

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Five Chinese ships including a naval vessel harassed an unarmed U.S. Navy ocean surveillance ship in international waters in the South China Sea Sunday, the Pentagon said.

There are unarmed ships in our Navy? Holy shit.

173 freetoken  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:35:36am

re: #153 Joan Not of Arc

The US is trying to scare away its enemies with fire hoses?

And what, exactly, would you have wanted the Impeccable to do?

174 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:35:38am

re: #155 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You'll have to clear your browser's cache (temporary Internet files). Until you do, your browser will keep using the old one.

How?

175 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:36:05am

re: #164 FurryOldGuyJeans

17.7 million billion tons of oil and natural gas. Oh, yeah, the islands will be news soon.

PIMF

176 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:36:05am

re: #169 Erik The Red

How do I clear my cache?

no idea

177 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:36:15am

re: #163 Chicago Blonde

Should I go to the bakery with the excuse of helping the economy?

Excellent idea!

178 abaleh  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:36:17am

re: #133 Colonel Panik

Most likely, unless the Norks are aiming at South China, the Phillipines or Vietnam. My guess is the same as the poster upstream...they were monitoring Chinese sub activities or possibly underwater oil/natural gas exploration near the Spratleys...or both.

Hainan Island is the site of a secret (not any more) Chinese submarine base. She was probably monitoring their subs.

179 vxbush  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:36:18am

re: #142 karmic_inquisitor

Sorry to hear that.

Maybe this Onion "op-ed" will cheer you up.

Heh.

180 sofa  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:36:22am

How soon can Obama surrender? How much can he give away?

181 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:36:26am

re: #164 FurryOldGuyJeans

17.7 million tons of oil and natural gas. Oh, yeah, the islands will be news soon.

In shallow seas next to Oil hungry nations. WW III could easily start over them.

182 Opinionated  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:36:58am

re: #168 NYCHardhat

Wow you sound just like all the moonbats that ripped him apart the last 8 years. I have no time for you.

Yeah. Lets not let reality intrude into our politics.

We must just be cheerleaders for our side.

183 turn  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:37:01am

re: #143 Thanos

Lizards might as well read up on the Spratleys, they are going to be in the news the next few years

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Hey Thanos, dumb question - why would they want them?

184 Dustyvet  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:37:19am

The U S S OBAMA...STATE OF THE ART AIRCRAFT CARRIER...

Image: cliton.jpg

185 HelloDare  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:37:21am

Obama: "Engage the Shield of Smugness. They can't touch us now."

186 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:37:28am
187 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:37:54am

re: #177 scottishbuzzsaw

It's just funny, for a few days I've been wanting a Mrs. Field's-type cookie but not been near any bakeries. May have to go hunt one down.

Maybe it's seasonal and that's why Scouts sell their cookies in spring.

188 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:37:55am

has o said that 'he wants both sides to show restraint'

of course they're messing w/ him. the arrogant fool is inviting it.
he's like a 7th grader, new to the neighborhood, but walking around trying to get the big boys lined out. telling them how it's going to be.
he's ridiculous.
they're going to start slapping him harder and harder.
even biden knew this.

189 Kenneth  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:38:00am

Why the Obama admin financial policy is gearing up to create inflation

The modern taxation system is tremendously efficient. First you're taxed when you earn money (income tax) and then again when you spend it (value added or consumption tax). But between what you earn, after tax, and what you spend there is occasionally a bit left over, which we call savings, and without inflation governments can find it very difficult to help themselves to this bit in the middle. However, with inflation, a whole realm of taxes on savings becomes viable.

190 Clemente  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:38:01am

re: #36 quickjustice

Why confront our Navy guys when the Chinese can merely foreclose on those vessels?

And the homes of half the crew, as well...

191 debutaunt  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:38:09am

re: #117 LGoPs

Under Obama, the ships will be armed with strong rhetoric. A new class of warship starting with:
U.S.S Rhetoric
U.S.S. Harsh Language
U.S.S. Furrowed Brow

Sister ship with scowl - USS WAB

192 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:38:26am

re: #184 Dustyvet

The U S S OBAMA...STATE OF THE ART AIRCRAFT CARRIER...

[Link: www.nerepublican.com...]

Dv you owe me a new laptop and a mouth full of scotch///// Hehehehehe

193 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:38:34am

re: #183 turn

Hey Thanos, dumb question - why would they want them?

Strategic bases allowing oversight of strategic shipping channels as well as the oil and gas mentioned above.

194 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:38:35am

re: #182 Opinionated

Yeah. Lets not let reality intrude into our politics.

We must just be cheerleaders for our side.

Your reality. Not mine.

Name one POTUS other than Lincoln who went through the type of shit GWB did in his 8 years. Is that a reality check for you?

195 opnion  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:38:44am

Those Diabolical Chineese, taking advantage of our exhausted President!
They must know that he has a maddening commute to his office in the morning.

196 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:38:44am

re: #184 Dustyvet

The U S S OBAMA...STATE OF THE ART AIRCRAFT CARRIER...

[Link: www.nerepublican.com...]

Wow that plane is HUGE!

197 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:38:55am

re: #169 Erik The Red

How do I clear my cache?

Isn't that what obama is proposing to do?

198 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:39:11am

re: #113 Nevergiveup

He is living down in Texas

He's been very low-key (waaaay different from the attention whore Clinton). Showing up in area restaurants, stuff like that. Meanwhile, some people who owned condos near SMU are trying to drag him into their lawsuit, as they try to squeeze more money out of SMU.

199 gonecamping  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:39:16am

With Reagan we had "Peace through Strength"
...with Obama we have 'appeasement through weakness'

Weakness and cowardliness tends to lead to conflict and capitulation...the bullys leave the strong alone Mr. Obama.

200 JohnnyReb  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:39:24am

re: #133 Colonel Panik

Most likely, unless the Norks are aiming at South China, the Phillipines or Vietnam. My guess is the same as the poster upstream...they were monitoring Chinese sub activities or possibly underwater oil/natural gas exploration near the Spratleys...or both.

My guess is PRC sub activities. They have been launching new class of nuke sub lately. They have a new Type 09 ballistic missile boat that is supposed to be very quite.

201 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:39:25am

re: #188 nyc redneck

they're going to start slapping him harder and harder.

And unfortunately that means us too.

202 turn  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:39:27am

re: #160 vxbush

Don't worry, when China takes us over we'll all be eating rice.
/

203 pegcity  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:39:27am

re: #186 Iron Fist

oh yeah best operation name ever.

Oh noes only Allah can provide infinite justice whahahaha

as if thats the reason they changed it, like um they just killed 3000 americans screw them

204 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:39:36am

re: #192 Erik The Red

Dv you owe me a new laptop and a mouth full of scotch///// Hehehehehe

Last week on LOST...

205 rightside  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:39:47am

re: #171 karmic_inquisitor

I like the 90,000 Tons of diplomacy!

We have 3 of those parked in Coronado Bay.

Oh, I know! I was stationed at SD from 2000-04. Sailed by you many times.

Here you go.

206 Athos  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:39:53am

re: #139 Iron Fist

Every Navy ship should have at least a CIWS installed....with a ROE that will allow the Captain of a ship to open fire if they are directly threatened while in international waters. This ship should have a frigate as an escort the next time it transits those waters....and the ROE should be identical to that of the Sixth Fleet when it crossed Libya's 'Line of Death' to assert the international right of navigation. Crossing 100 yds in front of the bow, low level fly-by's, and closing to 25' are all threats that warrant self-defense.

Peace comes from strength and diplomatic success comes from the ability to provide a viable stick to support your goals. But that is foreign to the left...the world is only seen as how they want to see it.

207 LC LaWedgie  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:39:55am

re: #165 pegcity

Absolutely! The U.S. troops simply need to identify the moderate elements of the Chicom military and move them toward reconciliation.
/

208 Golem Akbar  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:40:09am

re: #170 Kenneth

FTFY!

USS Kneeling Backward and Foreward.

209 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:40:12am

re: #117 LGoPs

Under Obama, the ships will be armed with strong rhetoric. A new class of warship starting with:
U.S.S Rhetoric
U.S.S. Harsh Language
U.S.S. Furrowed Brow

U.S.S. Tough Direct Talks

210 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:40:16am

re: #189 Kenneth

Why the Obama admin financial policy is gearing up to create inflation

They are going to find it hard to tax what will disappear due to rampant and runaway inflation. When prices escalate due to inflation while earnings remain stagnant, saving money is a luxury.

211 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:40:27am
212 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:40:33am

I hear the fishing is also good in the Spratleys, maybe we should send a fleet of bass boats from Branson...

213 Summersong  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:40:38am

DJI- 76

Thanks for that, "good time to buy stocks" advice, Obama.

What a piece of work this guy is.

214 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:40:54am

re: #192 Erik The Red

OT Erik - what kind of connection do you have there to the interwebsnetssites?

215 Athos  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:41:01am

re: #165 pegcity

Obama has better things to do than worry about America's national security. God won't you selfish people realize that the man is tired.

I'm envisioning Barry doing an impression of Lilly von Schtupp......He's Tired....

216 mattm  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:41:04am

re: #28 Honorary Yooper

I have a bad feeling about this...

that the Obama administration will bungle it completely.

That can be said about almost everything related to the Obama admin.

217 astronmr20  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:41:09am

re: #178 abaleh

Hainan Island is the site of a secret (not any more) Chinese submarine base. She was probably monitoring their subs.

..woah.

218 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:41:29am

I almost just choked on a thin mint when I read this -


CIA Awkwardly Debriefs Obama On Creation Of Crack Cocaine

February 26, 2009 %P% Issue 45•09
WASHINGTON—In his first meeting with President Barack Obama, CIA crime and counternarcotics analyst Timothy R. McIntire haltingly explained to the nation's first African-American commander in chief the highly classified origin of crack cocaine and the resultant epidemic that swept across U.S. inner cities. "Well, you see, sir...thing is, we needed money to help those Contras back in '85, and we never really expected...so we distributed it, and...shortsighted...and, ha, well, Christ—is it hot in here?" McIntire said between exaggerated coughs. "Yikes, okay. See, it was a very tense time—not that that makes it right—and, uh, bottom line is, we're a different agency now."

McIntire went on to disclose several other secret CIA operations, including the assassination of President John F. Kennedy in 1963 and the recruitment, four years earlier, of a Kenyan grad student for a clandestine program at the University of Hawaii.

219 turn  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:41:34am

re: #181 Thanos

In shallow seas next to Oil hungry nations. WW III could easily start over them.

I told you my question was dumb, thanks. Holy crap.

220 vxbush  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:41:41am

re: #202 turn

Don't worry, when China takes us over we'll all be eating rice.
/

I'm already eating more than enough rice. I want an American to discover a cure! Oh, wait, not in Obama's new socialism.

221 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:41:45am

OldLineTexan said the other day "Where there are Eloi, there will be Morlocks".

So of course Obama is being tested, Morlocks like to poke their food first to see how tender it will be.

222 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:41:50am

re: #204 Walter L. Newton

Last week on LOST...

Good Morning Walter. You can give me one story line if you can tell me how to clear cache? I have no clue and want to see my new avatar.

223 debutaunt  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:42:05am

re: #173 freetoken

And what, exactly, would you have wanted the Impeccable to do?

Spitballs!

224 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:42:12am

re: #174 Erik The Red

How?

I can advise only if you're using IE.
Tools menu
General tab
Browsing history section ... click button labeled "Delete"
the next window should show an option to delete Temporary Internet files

/you do NOT need to delete cookies

225 HelloDare  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:42:19am

re: #191 debutaunt

Sister ship with scowl - USS WAB

How about the USS Hiney. It's got a stern on both ends so it's always in retreat.

226 turn  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:42:28am

re: #193 Thanos

Thanks, I'm quite a ways up on the thread.

227 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:42:31am
now it’s China’s turn.

FIND THE "RESET" BUTTON, HILLARY! THE "RESET" BUTTON!

/

228 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:42:31am

re: #23 Charles

The US ship was unarmed...

Is there really a such thing as an unarmed US ship? If so, "should there be really a such thing as an unarmed US ship?"

229 Joan Not of Arc  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:43:02am

re: #173 freetoken

Certainly not try to scare one of the biggest armies away with fire hoses.

230 freetoken  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:43:08am

re: #211 Iron Fist

Well, fortunately then the new Sec. of Energy is very much into developing new generations of nuclear power plants. Perpetual storage of nuclear "waste" at Yucca was a stupid idea... that "waste" is a huge source of energy that can (and hopefully will) be used in newer style reactors.

231 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:43:11am

re: #222 Erik The Red

Good Morning Walter. You can give me one story line if you can tell me how to clear cache? I have no clue and want to see my new avatar.

What browser are you using.

232 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:43:17am

re: #214 Walter L. Newton

OT Erik - what kind of connection do you have there to the interwebsnetssites?

A Slooooooow DSL. 512 I think.

233 kansas  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:43:39am

re: #149 Opinionated

LOL. Bush was great.

He left the Nation much better then a found it and -knowing he was being followed by Obama- made sure Iran wouldn't be minutes away from going nuclear.

/s

Please admit that the Democrats took the House and Senate in Nov 2006 and the country has been going in the shitter since then.

234 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:43:55am

re: #178 abaleh

Hainan Island is the site of a secret (not any more) Chinese submarine base. She was probably monitoring their subs.

Hainan is where the EP-3 was forced down. A couple of years ago, I found a Web site with high-res pictures and a narrative about the crew dismantling the plane to ship back to the States (way cool!). It was later returned to service.

235 Lee Coller  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:43:57am

re: #43 outsidephilly

Seems the US is getting lots of little pokes here, and little pokes there. I wonder what 44 thinks about this.......

He probably thinks we deserve it.

236 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:44:18am

re: #201 Chicago Blonde

And unfortunately that means us too.

and that's the problem.
all the trouble this jerk will cause to others.

237 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:44:29am

re: #224 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I can advise only if you're using IE.
Tools menu
General tab
Browsing history section ... click button labeled "Delete"
the next window should show an option to delete Temporary Internet files

/you do NOT need to delete cookies

Firefox (2.0)....Tools/Options....Advanced section, Network tab. Clear Now button. Then reload the page.

238 Kenneth  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:44:35am

'Shut up about Chavez the killer' Venezuelan co-star tells Sean Penn


"He's an amazing actor. I can't take that away from him," she said of Penn, who worked with her on the 1988 cop film Colors. "It's just that he has no clue at all what's going on in Venezuela. He's been praising Hugo Chavez, who is a dictator and a killer. He should shut up about what he doesn't know." - Maria Conchita Alonso

Amen.

239 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:44:46am

re: #132 Golem Akbar

Chinese crew members stripped to their underwear and continued closing within 25 feet

The horror!

So, I see the retaliation for Dr. Manhattan in the Watchmen has begun.

240 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:44:55am

re: #227 Occasional Reader

FIND THE "RESET" BUTTON, HILLARY! THE "RESET" BUTTON!

/

What's the Chinese word for reset. Fuk Yu?

241 Dustyvet  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:45:03am

re: #192 Erik The Red

Dv you owe me a new laptop and a mouth full of scotch///// Hehehehehe

The U S S OBAMA engine room...

Youtube Video
242 Gretchen  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:45:04am

Send Hillary over to China with an overcharge button. That's Smart diplomacy! The world respects us now!

243 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:45:11am

re: #228 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Is there really a such thing as an unarmed US ship? If so, "should there be really a such thing as an unarmed US ship?"

It is an auxiliary ship, not a regular Naval vessel.

244 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:45:20am

We should name the next deep water submersible the USS Dow Jones.

245 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:45:28am

re: #205 rightside

Oh, I know! I was stationed at SD from 2000-04. Sailed by you many times.

Here you go.

Cool! Thanks for doing that.

246 rightside  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:45:33am

re: #206 Athos

CIWS was meant more for anti-air. However, they do have a mode where it can be aimed manually, it would be difficult to do much damage with it, IMO.

247 LGoPs  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:45:37am

re: #228 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Is there really a such thing as an unarmed US ship? If so, "should there be really a such thing as an unarmed US ship?"

That new class of ships I was talking about up-thread. Their main armament will consist of lawyers. Our new weapon will be litigation. Instead of boarding parties of Marines we'll have boarding parties of lawyers...armed with subpoenas.......
Our enemies are already quaking.....
/

248 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:45:42am

re: #237 FurryOldGuyJeans

Firefox (2.0)....Tools/Options....Advanced section, Network tab. Clear Now button. Then reload the page.

Keep an eye out for Erik's reply to Walter, re which browser he (Erik) is using. Erik might need that info.

249 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:46:06am

re: #88 karmic_inquisitor

OK - no one bother me.

The Girl Scout Cookies just arrived and I am scarfing down a box of Thin Mints.

Leave me alone till I am done.

Have I ever told you how sexy you are?

250 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:46:13am

In related news, President Obama announced today a plan to rectify the recent perceived snub of the British Prime Minister by naming the next American submarine the "U.S.S. F.U. Brown."

When told that the Prime Minister's first name was actually Gordon, the President responded, "Yeah. So?"

251 Kragar  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:46:15am

re: #151 Iron Fist

"What are we supposed to use? Harsh language?"

Fuck yeah!

Take off, nuke the site from orbit

252 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:46:46am

re: #241 Dustyvet

The U S S OBAMA engine room...


LOL.

253 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:46:51am

re: #243 FurryOldGuyJeans

I do not want our sailor in harms way without a way to defend themselves. I don't care if they're in a tug-boat.

Gosh, I sound selfish. Me me me!

254 Westward Ho  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:46:53am

re: #211 Iron Fist

The environmentalists are not a serious lot, they are into flamboyant infantilism. Sadly they wield political power utterly disproportionate to their intellect.

255 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:46:55am

re: #251 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Take off, nuke the site from orbit

Thats the only way to be sure.

FUCKING A!

256 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:47:17am

re: #238 Kenneth

'Shut up about Chavez the killer' Venezuelan co-star tells Sean Penn

Amen.

I knew there was a reason I liked her, besides the fact that she's hot.

257 HelloDare  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:47:18am

re: #250 subsailor68

He'll probably just send Brown an American DVD player and call it even.

258 abaleh  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:47:26am

re: #228 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Is there really a such thing as an unarmed US ship? If so, "should there be really a such thing as an unarmed US ship?"

Since it is not a combat ship, there's no need for the expense of adding armaments. It is basically a research ship, geared towards underwater acoustics. If you add weapons, on top of the expense of the weapons themselves, you also need to add sailors to operate those weapons, meaning you need a larger ship. So long as the Chinese were not pulling tricks, this makes sense. I guess now they'll need to have an armed escort. However, having an armed ship nearby would create noise which would harm the ship's mission.

259 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:47:30am

re: #78 Buck

Does that look like the "Doomsday Machine" from Star Trek or what?

Actually, I always thought the Doomsday Machine looked like an enormous doobie.

260 rightside  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:47:37am

re: #245 karmic_inquisitor

No problem.

261 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:47:39am

re: #249 MandyManners

Have I ever told you how sexy you are?

Will. Not. Work.

262 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:47:40am
263 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:47:41am

re: #248 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Keep an eye out for Erik's reply to Walter, re which browser he (Erik) is using. Erik might need that info.

FF and lets see maybe I found it.............

264 bulwrk  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:47:51am

Obama needs to be careful here if he pisses off the Chinese they may hold up shipment of the cheap plastic replicas of Marine One that he passes out to visiting foreign dignitaries.

265 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:47:56am

BBL

266 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:48:01am

re: #236 nyc redneck

and that's the problem.
all the trouble this jerk will cause to others.

Yep. Being in the handbasket is upsetting enough. Being pushed into it is infuriating.

267 debutaunt  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:48:30am

re: #253 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I do not want our sailor in harms way without a way to defend themselves. I don't care if they're in a tug-boat.

Gosh, I sound selfish. Me me me!

U.S.S. Pueblo - we learned our lesson that time.

268 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:48:44am

re: #263 Erik The Red

FF and lets see maybe I found it.............

Yeah can see it. If I must say than is a damn fine avatar.

269 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:49:10am

re: #264 bulwrk

Obama needs to be careful here if he pisses off the Chinese they may hold up shipment of the cheap plastic replicas of Marine One that he passes out to visiting foreign dignitaries.

Yeah, think of the children!

270 zombie  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:49:25am

I've been updating the Mohammed Image Archive recently, and just added an image that is sure to earn me a double-fatwa -- from the Muslims and the Scientologists!

The picture in question is here (close-up version here), with the caption,

"This picture from a Scientology book for volunteer ministers is quite similar to the Confutopia image (seen above); both show Mohammed as one among several famous spiritual leaders throughout history. In this picture, a Scientologist (on the left) towers over (in order, left to right) Mohammed, Jesus, Confucius, Buddha, Lao-Tzu, Zoroaster, Moses and Abraham. (The last figure is not named, but may be Adam.) Higher level Scientology materials explain how Scientology is superior to all other religions (including Islam), because they are nothing more than "engrams" falsely implanted in our minds. "

My goal was to get the Scientologists and the Muslims at each other's throats (a win-win situation for humanity), but I think instead they may team up and have Xenu issue a fatwa and a lawsuit on me for violating religious sensibilities and copyright. They'll also be furious because I'm revealing information that the trainees are not supposed to get until they move up ($$$) to a higher Dianetics level. Hopefully, the Muslims will be mad that their "final prophet" is shown to be inferior to and supplanted by the Scientology dude.

(The "secret" image was sent to me be a Scientology apostate living in Japan, of all places.)

271 CIA Reject  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:49:36am

re: #253 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I do not want our sailor in harms way without a way to defend themselves. I don't care if they're in a tug-boat.

Gosh, I sound selfish. Me me me!

The sailors and civilians who crew these ships are, IMHO, some of the bravest people in the US Navy precisely because they go into harm's way without any visible defense.

272 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:49:37am

Newly unveiled portrait of Shakespeare story.

Ain't that the picture of Will I have always seen?

273 Adrenalyn  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:49:58am

were there not US subs in the area
that could have fired a few Tomahawks and taken out one vessel as a show of resolve ?

/still pissed I am not the "secretary of offense"

274 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:50:05am

re: #247 LGoPs

That new class of ships I was talking about up-thread. Their main armament will consist of lawyers. Our new weapon will be litigation. Instead of boarding parties of Marines we'll have boarding parties of lawyers...armed with subpoenas.......
Our enemies are already quaking.....
/

"Lieutenant! Poke him with that affidavit!"

275 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:50:08am

Get used to this sort of thing. They're testing the new Administration's mettle, and the Administration isn't passing the test. Everyone, not just the Chinese, will be pushing to see how far they can expand their envelopes.

Expect some serious saber-rattling aimed at Taiwan shortly.

Sadly, we seem to have a completely incompetent boob in charge who has handed off foreign policy to Hillary Clinton and hopes never to have to deal with it himself. Clinton, meanwhile, will be pursuing her own agenda, and will use incidents like this one - and worse to come - to help dismantle Obama's Presidency in preparation for her next Presidential run. Meanwhile, US standing in the world will sink into the mire.

276 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:50:26am
277 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:50:28am

re: #263 Erik The Red

FF and lets see maybe I found it.............

Then this one from FOGJ is pertinant:

re: #237 FurryOldGuyJeans

Firefox (2.0)....Tools/Options....Advanced section, Network tab. Clear Now button. Then reload the page.

278 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:50:35am

re: #253 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I do not want our sailor in harms way without a way to defend themselves. I don't care if they're in a tug-boat.

Gosh, I sound selfish. Me me me!

It is a civilian ship doing what used to be done by Naval vessels chock full of armed sailors, same as the rent-a-cops running security at military bases. Thanks Mr. Carter.

279 badger1970  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:50:46am

re: #244 DaddyG

We should name the next deep water submersible the USS Dow Jones.

But can it come back up?

280 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:50:51am

re: #271 CIA Reject

The sailors and civilians who crew these ships are, IMHO, some of the bravest people in the US Navy precisely because they go into harm's way without any visible defense.

Operative word, visible.

Don't they have handguns, at least?

281 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:51:02am

re: #268 Erik The Red

Good news.

282 Adrenalyn  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:51:44am

re: #278 FurryOldGuyJeans

It is a civilian ship doing what used to be done by Naval vessels chock full of armed sailors, same as the rent-a-cops running security at military bases. Thanks Mr. Carter.


sorry to burst your bubble
but rent-a-cops do security screening at DHS buildings

have been for a few years now

283 Lee Coller  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:51:50am

re: #270 zombie

I've been updating the Mohammed Image Archive recently, and just added an image that is sure to earn me a double-fatwa -- from the Muslims and the Scientologists!

The picture in question is here (close-up version here), with the caption,

"This picture from a Scientology book for volunteer ministers is quite similar to the Confutopia image (seen above); both show Mohammed as one among several famous spiritual leaders throughout history. In this picture, a Scientologist (on the left) towers over (in order, left to right) Mohammed, Jesus, Confucius, Buddha, Lao-Tzu, Zoroaster, Moses and Abraham. (The last figure is not named, but may be Adam.) Higher level Scientology materials explain how Scientology is superior to all other religions (including Islam), because they are nothing more than "engrams" falsely implanted in our minds. "

My goal was to get the Scientologists and the Muslims at each other's throats (a win-win situation for humanity), but I think instead they may team up and have Xenu issue a fatwa and a lawsuit on me for violating religious sensibilities and copyright. They'll also be furious because I'm revealing information that the trainees are not supposed to get until they move up ($$$) to a higher Dianetics level. Hopefully, the Muslims will be mad that their "final prophet" is shown to be inferior to and supplanted by the Scientology dude.

(The "secret" image was sent to me be a Scientology apostate living in Japan, of all places.)

Expect a legal threat from a Scientology lawyer soon. They actively pursue this stuff and try and shut it down under the guise of copyright protection.

284 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:52:00am

re: #280 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Operative word, visible.

Don't they have handguns, at least?

With the civilian/military mix they might be unarmed all around.

285 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:52:02am

re: #274 Chicago Blonde

"Lieutenant! Poke him with that affidavit!"

"Prepare to fire a process server across their bow!"

- "Aye aye, sir!"

286 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:52:32am

re: #279 badger1970

But can it come back up?

Only after 4-8 years depending on who is piloting it.

287 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:52:41am

re: #280 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Operative word, visible.

Don't they have handguns, at least?

I can't believe that any USN vessel operating in the waters near China would not at least have small arms available. For one thing, because there is active piracy in the South China Sea.

288 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:52:44am

re: #279 badger1970

But can it come back up?

Only if a Republican gets elected.

289 Dustyvet  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:53:00am

The United States Army shows off the new OBAMA Weapons system!

Image: army-vehicle-funny.jpg

290 HelloDare  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:53:03am

This is posted in the Spinoff links. Graph: Obama's popularity continues to decline.

291 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:53:30am

re: #285 Ward Cleaver

"Prepare to fire a process server across their bow!"

- "Aye aye, sir!"

Yes, I had to.

292 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:53:43am

re: #287 Occasional Reader

yeah! like that!

293 CIA Reject  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:54:05am

re: #280 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Operative word, visible.

Don't they have handguns, at least?

In my experience (somewhat dated now) the civilians are unarmed. The Naval officers may have had sidearms but they must have kept them locked up because I never saw any.

294 LGoPs  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:54:06am

re: #274 Chicago Blonde

"Lieutenant! Poke him with that affidavit!"

LOL.....
"Fire a writ across his bow".......

295 Athos  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:54:23am

re: #246 rightside

CIWS was meant more for anti-air. However, they do have a mode where it can be aimed manually, it would be difficult to do much damage with it, IMO.

Perhaps, I had heard of a change in software that would permit it to be used against small vessals as well (prevent USS Cole style attacks) supplementing any small arms weaponry. The intent would be to not sink but deter. That said, the better idea would be to provide a combatant vessal as close escort.

296 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:54:25am

re: #287 Occasional Reader

I can't believe that any USN vessel operating in the waters near China would not at least have small arms available. For one thing, because there is active piracy in the South China Sea.

The difference is the ship is USNS, not USN. A civilian ship tasked with doing military duties previously done by regular Naval vessels.

Think Merchant Marine.

297 Dustyvet  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:54:39am

re: #285 Ward Cleaver

"Prepare to fire a process server across their bow!"

- "Aye aye, sir!"

Be sure to load the Pizza Box WARHEAD!


/S

298 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:55:03am

re: #291 Chicago Blonde

Honestly, until the end when it fell off the edge of the world, that is my least favorite bit that ever made it into a Monty Python movie.

But, I do like Matt Frewer.

299 Clemente  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:55:03am

re: #117 LGoPs

Under Obama, the ships will be armed with strong rhetoric. A new class of warship starting with:
U.S.S Rhetoric
U.S.S. Harsh Language
U.S.S. Furrowed Brow

USS Stern Warning
USS Diplomatic Pressure
USS Stammer
USS Condescension
USS Appeaser

/Ship-board parties every Wednesday night!

300 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:55:08am

re: #270 zombie

re: #283 Lee Coller

Expect a legal threat from a Scientology lawyer soon. They actively pursue this stuff and try and shut it down under the guise of copyright protection.

Put a funny caption on it and call it fair use parody.

301 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:55:14am
302 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:55:22am

re: #290 HelloDare

This is posted in the Spinoff links. Graph: Obama's popularity continues to decline.

Looks like his base his holding relatively solid, but the middle is turning against him.

303 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:55:30am

re: #299 Clemente

USS Stern Warning
USS Diplomatic Pressure
USS Stammer
USS Condescension
USS Appeaser

/Ship-board parties every Wednesday night!

USS Messiah

304 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:55:34am

re: #282 Adrenalyn

sorry to burst your bubble
but rent-a-cops do security screening at DHS buildings

have been for a few years now

Burst my bubble how? You just reiterated what I had said previously.

305 astronmr20  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:55:40am

re: #270 zombie

Zombie you are a gem. Where the hell do you get this stuff?

306 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:55:42am

re: #294 LGoPs

LOL.....
"Fire a writ across his bow".......

Remember the scene in Robocop II where he was "reprogrammed" and the kids kept beating on him as he lectured them?

307 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:55:50am

I think this whole thing was orchestrated by an evil British media baron who's trying to further broaden his media empire by "creating" news.

/watch too many Bond movies

308 Kenneth  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:56:01am

re: #210 FurryOldGuyJeans

The whole point is that by intentionally following a pro-inflation policy, the Obama admin will be "taxing" our savings. Inflation is a mechanism whereby the value of your cash diminishes as a mean to pay off the real value of debt owed by the gov't. In effect, our savings are taxed by the effect of inflation.

Inflation is coming.

309 albusteve  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:56:19am

re: #296 FurryOldGuyJeans

The difference is the ship is USNS, not USN. A civilian ship tasked with doing military duties previously done by regular Naval vessels.

Think Merchant Marine.

it's probably better to be unarmed...in this case any boarders would likely overwhelm the crew anyway...go big or stay at home

310 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:56:23am

re: #307 Occasional Reader

I think this whole thing was orchestrated by an evil British media baron who's trying to further broaden his media empire by "creating" news.

/watch too many Bond movies

And one of the worst IMNHO. ;)

311 Athos  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:56:24am

re: #271 CIA Reject

The sailors and civilians who crew these ships are, IMHO, some of the bravest people in the US Navy precisely because they go into harm's way without any visible defense.

Pity that I can only upding that once.

312 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:56:36am

OT: Has anyone seen Apache_Gunner around lately?

313 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:56:43am

re: #261 karmic_inquisitor

Will. Not. Work.

I'm gonna' hold my breath until I turn blue! Lie down and kick my heels!

314 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:56:51am

re: #298 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Honestly, until the end when it fell off the edge of the world, that is my least favorite bit that ever made it into a Monty Python movie.

But, I do like Matt Frewer.

I love this bit, and the LEAVES. Oh man, I laughed myself sick over the leaves.
And of course Mr. Creosote.

315 abaleh  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:56:58am

re: #295 Athos

Perhaps, I had heard of a change in software that would permit it to be used against small vessals as well (prevent USS Cole style attacks) supplementing any small arms weaponry. The intent would be to not sink but deter. That said, the better idea would be to provide a combatant vessal as close escort.

For this ship, who's task is monitoring underwater acoustics (mainly submarine tracking and inteligence gathering, I guess), having a close escort would be detrimental to the mission since it would be emitting noise.

316 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:57:13am

re: #299 Clemente

USS Stern Warning
USS Diplomatic Pressure
USS Stammer
USS Condescension
USS Appeaser

/Ship-board parties every Wednesday night!

USS Michelle. The only ship in the fleet allowed to "bare" arms.

317 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:57:17am

More names for vessels under 0bama:
USS Apology
USS Grovel
USS Unclenched

318 HelloDare  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:57:28am

Relax people. The Peaceship USS Community Organizer is rushing to the area right now.

319 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:57:30am

If one really sits down to think about it...the answer is clear. Its Bush's fault.

////

320 Opinionated  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:57:53am

re: #194 NYCHardhat

Please admit that the Democrats took the House and Senate in Nov 2006 and the country has been going in the shitter since then.

It's a given the Democrats sow bad results.

Doesn't change the fact that Bush badly screwed up.

321 CLLRusso  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:58:05am

I'm getting so depressed over all this economic and foreign policy incompetence I don't even feel like going shopping!

322 Summersong  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:58:10am

re: #270 zombie

Oh, he has on a suit...clearly superior!

/

323 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:58:31am

Just got another donation call from the Cornyn crew

324 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:58:32am

re: #308 Kenneth

The whole point is that by intentionally following a pro-inflation policy, the Obama admin will be "taxing" our savings. Inflation is a mechanism whereby the value of your cash diminishes as a mean to pay off the real value of debt owed by the gov't. In effect, our savings are taxed by the effect of inflation.

Inflation is coming.

Good thing I don't have any savings.

1/2 x /

325 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:58:33am

re: #308 Kenneth

The whole point is that by intentionally following a pro-inflation policy, the Obama admin will be "taxing" our savings. Inflation is a mechanism whereby the value of your cash diminishes as a mean to pay off the real value of debt owed by the gov't. In effect, our savings are taxed by the effect of inflation.

Inflation is coming.

In a big way.

326 LGoPs  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:58:46am

re: #303 NYCHardhat

USS Messiah

U.S.S We Are So Fucked

327 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:58:54am

re: #319 NYCHardhat

If one really sits down to think about it...the answer is clear. Its Bush's fault.

////

It will always be Bush's fault. 44 does not have the balls to take the knock for anything.

328 albusteve  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:58:57am

re: #317 Kosh's Shadow

More names for vessels under 0bama:
USS Apology
USS Grovel
USS Unclenched

USS Pussy
USS Wimp
USS Spineless

329 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:58:58am

re: #312 Erik The Red

OT: Has anyone seen Apache_Gunner around lately?

Now that you mention it, no.

330 zombie  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:58:59am

re: #305 astronmr20

Zombie you are a gem. Where the hell do you get this stuff?

All over the world. I have, as far as I know, every image of Mohammed ever created. As soon as I see one or become aware of one I don't know about, I add it to the archive. Now, people of all sorts send it to me. I'm one of the top results for "Mohammed" in Google (second, third or fourth, depending on your preferences setting), so I get thousands of visitors daily.

331 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:59:01am

re: #314 Chicago Blonde

Mr. Creosote is my hero. Now, that was a fat bastard!

332 Athos  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:59:12am

re: #287 Occasional Reader

I can't believe that any USN vessel operating in the waters near China would not at least have small arms available. For one thing, because there is active piracy in the South China Sea.

I shudder to think how Obama would handle an incident like the SS Mayaguez today.

333 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:59:19am

re: #318 HelloDare

Relax people. The Peaceship USS Community Organizer is rushing to the area right now.

With Rainbows and Unicorns for everybody!

334 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:59:24am

re: #249 MandyManners

Have I ever told you how sexy you are?

If that doesn't work Mandy, try this. In a deep Southern drawl, say "You're so big and strong."

335 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:59:34am

USS Handbasket.

336 Adrenalyn  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:59:35am

USS Retreat
USS WhiteFlag

337 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:59:45am

USS FCBBHO

USS WAB

338 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:59:54am

re: #331 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Mr. Creosote is my hero. Now, that was a fat bastard!

BOOM!

339 HelloDare  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:59:55am

re: #333 Ward Cleaver

With Rainbows and Unicorns for everybody!

And DVD's.

340 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 11:59:55am

USS Good Ship Lollipop

341 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:00:11pm

re: #334 CyanSnowHawk

If that doesn't work Mandy, try this. In a deep Southern drawl, say "You're so big and strong."

or, you can try it the Liberal way.

GIVE ME YOUR THIN MINTS!

342 Athos  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:00:19pm

re: #315 abaleh

Good point.

343 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:00:39pm

re: #331 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Mr. Creosote is my hero. Now, that was a fat bastard!

When we go out for dinner and Mr. Blonde and I overindulge, I always poke a mint at him and coo "it's only waaaafer thin...

344 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:00:44pm
345 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:00:52pm

re: #339 HelloDare

And DVD's.

Only Region 1, of course.

346 albusteve  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:00:56pm

re: #341 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

or, you can try it the Liberal way.

GIVE ME YOUR THIN MINTS!

one of the finest foodstuffs ever invented

347 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:01:03pm

re: #320 Opinionated

Other than Reagan....name one that hasn't.

348 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:01:30pm

re: #316 subsailor68

USS Michelle. The only ship in the fleet allowed to "bare" arms.

Heh.

And it's outfitted with the feared Seaborne Craft Offensive Weapons Load... usually referred to by its acronym.

349 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:01:32pm

USS Gift Shop. Primary armament: two wooden helicopters.

350 HelloDare  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:01:50pm

In the '70's, Ping Pong Diplomacy paved the way for Nixon's trip to China. Can we expect Basketball Diplomacy?

351 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:02:14pm

re: #332 Athos

I shudder to think how Obama would handle an incident like the SS Mayaguez today.

Reset buttons all around!

352 LGoPs  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:02:16pm

BBIAW

353 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:02:17pm

re: #316 subsailor68

USS Michelle. The only ship in the fleet allowed to "bare" arms.

What an aft on that one.

354 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:02:26pm

re: #346 albusteve

one of the finest foodstuffs ever invented

Anybody have a recipe for "Thin Mint Cake"?

NOM NOM NOM!

355 Nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:02:28pm

News
World news
Cuba
Obama will use spring summit to bring Cuba in from the cold
US companies are queuing up as the president moves to ease restrictions on travel and trade, raising hopes of warmer relations and an end to the embargo
Comments (207)
Rory Carroll, Latin America correspondent
The Observer, Sunday 8 March 2009
Article history
President Barack Obama is poised to offer an olive branch to Cuba in an effort to repair the US's tattered reputation in Latin America.

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

356 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:02:29pm

re: #350 HelloDare

In the '70's, Ping Pong Diplomacy paved the way for Nixon's trip to China. Can we expect Basketball Diplomacy?

Putt-Putt Diplomacy.

357 Scorch  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:02:32pm

We used to have Russian trawlers dog us in the Med all the time but they would not dare come as close to us as the Chinese did to that USNS ship. Perilous times we're living in.

358 albusteve  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:02:53pm

re: #350 HelloDare

In the '70's, Ping Pong Diplomacy paved the way for Nixon's trip to China. Can we expect Basketball Diplomacy?

Mahorn and Laimbeer are retired...won't work

359 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:03:12pm

USS I Won.

360 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:03:20pm

re: #344 Iron Fist

Not a lot you can do to a ship

I was thinking more to repel boarders, e.g. South China Sea pirates. I sure as hell hope they at least have that capability.

361 albusteve  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:03:21pm

re: #354 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Anybody have a recipe for "Thin Mint Cake"?

NOM NOM NOM!

you go boy!

362 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:03:24pm

re: #350 HelloDare

In the '70's, Ping Pong Diplomacy paved the way for Nixon's trip to China. Can we expect Basketball Diplomacy?

Nixon was fervently anti-Socialism/anti-Communism. O is pro and an appeaser of the first order.

363 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:03:31pm

re: #359 Erik The Red

USS I Won.

USS Tea cup ears

364 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:03:31pm

re: #355 Nevergiveup

Obama must want to be able to get some Cuban Cigars.

365 debutaunt  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:03:39pm

re: #354 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Anybody have a recipe for "Thin Mint Cake"?

NOM NOM NOM!

Damn! I only have an empty box of cookies.

366 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:03:41pm
367 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:04:03pm

re: #350 HelloDare

In the '70's, Ping Pong Diplomacy paved the way for Nixon's trip to China. Can we expect Basketball Diplomacy?

Well, we could, but here's the new Chinese ambassador.

We're still screwed.

368 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:04:06pm

re: #354 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Anybody have a recipe for "Thin Mint Cake"?

NOM NOM NOM!

Crushed thin mints on a good vanilla ice cream, with a little chocolate sauce.
Mmmm.....

369 Unakite  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:04:12pm

re: #143 Thanos

Lizards might as well read up on the Spratleys, they are going to be in the news the next few years

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Key:
Such small and remote islands have little economic value in themselves, but are important in establishing international boundaries. There are no native islanders but there are rich fishing grounds and initial surveys indicate the islands may contain significant oil and gas.

We can handcuff ourselves all we want. The Chinese will explore for oil.

370 Buck  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:04:14pm

re: #90 subsailor68

A little bit! It's interesting that the crew is something like 25 contractors and about 25 Navy personnel. Not a very large crew.

It just screams out....

"I don't want to hurt you, I just want to eat you!"

at least to me it does...

371 HelloDare  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:04:22pm

I got it. Puppy Diplomacy! Who could refuse a puppy?

372 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:04:29pm

re: #353 NYCHardhat

What an aft on that one.

I wonder who has to swab the poopdeck.

/

373 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:04:37pm

re: #355 Nevergiveup

News
World news
Cuba
Obama will use spring summit to bring Cuba in from the cold
US companies are queuing up as the president moves to ease restrictions on travel and trade, raising hopes of warmer relations and an end to the embargo
Comments (207)
Rory Carroll, Latin America correspondent
The Observer, Sunday 8 March 2009
Article history
President Barack Obama is poised to offer an olive branch to Cuba in an effort to repair the US's tattered reputation in Latin America.

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

O sure wants us well-liked by the thugs, dictators, and autocrats of the world.

374 Athos  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:04:42pm

re: #344 Iron Fist

Unfortunately, I think the Navy is making the same mistake they, and the Air Force, made in the early 60's regarding fighters - but not equipping them with guns. Many of the newer ships seem to have fewer and smaller guns - and a heavier dependency on missiles (particularly vertically launched). One of the early lessons learned from the grounding of the USS Port Royal was that the stress / twisting of the hull jammed many of the vertical launch tube hatches closed rendering those missiles unusable.

375 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:04:44pm

re: #372 OldLineTexan

I wonder who has to swab the poopdeck.

/

ewwwwwwwwwwwww

376 albusteve  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:04:49pm

re: #360 Occasional Reader

I was thinking more to repel boarders, e.g. South China Sea pirates. I sure as hell hope they at least have that capability.

like goo ball canons and noise guns?

377 CLLRusso  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:04:52pm

AND THE SWIRLING CIRCLES OF GOING NOWHERE HAVE RETURNED TECH GUYS. JUST WHAT IS WRONG WITH MY COMPUTER?

378 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:05:01pm

USS Scuttlebutt
(Note: "Scuttle Butt" is already in use by the French Navy)

379 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:05:01pm

re: #359 Erik The Red

USS I Won.

But Iran is just a little country.
We'll send a canoe.

380 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:05:02pm

re: #355 Nevergiveup

Isn't it great that we're cozying up to Communist dictatorships, while insulting our traditional allies and throwing post-Communist fledgling democracies to the wolves?

381 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:05:26pm

re: #371 HelloDare

I got it. Puppy Diplomacy! Who could refuse a puppy?

Thank you for your kind and delicious gift Mr. Ambassador.

382 gonecamping  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:05:29pm

Heck, sounds like we have ding dong diplomacy going on with gaffes to the left and gaffes to the right.


re: #350 HelloDare

In the '70's, Ping Pong Diplomacy paved the way for Nixon's trip to China. Can we expect Basketball Diplomacy?

383 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:05:50pm

re: #364 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Obama must want to be able to get some Cuban Cigars.

He and I can agree on that.

We already do business with most of the other Commies.

384 Westward Ho  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:05:58pm

Read the latest from Secular Turkey anand weepd

...Today, Turkey has over 85,000 active mosques, one for every 350 citizens—compared to one hospital for every 60,000 citizens—the highest number per capita in the world and, with 90,000 imams, more imams than doctors or teachers. It has thousands of madrasa-like Imam-Hatip schools and about four thousand more official state-run Qur'an courses, not counting the unofficial Qur'an schools, which may expand the total number tenfold. Spending by the governmental Directorate of Religious Affairs (Diyanet Işleri Başkanlığı) has grown five fold, from 553 trillion Turkish lira in 2002 (approximately US$325 million) to 2.7 quadrillion lira during the first four-and-a-half years of the AKP government; it has a larger budget than eight other ministries combined.[1] The Friday prayer attendance rate in Turkey's mosques exceeds that of Iran's, and religion classes teaching Sunni Islam are compulsory in public schools despite rulings against the practice by the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) and the Turkish high court (Danıştay).[2] Both Prime Minister Erdoğan and the Diyanet head Ali Bardakoğlu criticized the rulings for failing to consult Islamic scholars.

385 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:06:12pm

re: #286 DaddyG

Only after 4-8 years depending on who is piloting it.

With Obama, it might as well be the Exxon Valdez.

386 Kragar  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:06:20pm

re: #372 OldLineTexan

I wonder who has to swab the poopdeck.

/

Capt Brownbeard of the good ship Jolly Rogering

387 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:06:23pm

re: #371 HelloDare

I got it. Puppy Diplomacy! Who could refuse a puppy?

No one! Cheney had two for breakfast just this morning!

/

388 joncelli  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:06:32pm

re: #367 subsailor68

Yow!

389 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:06:56pm

re: #369 Unakite

Key:
Such small and remote islands have little economic value in themselves, but are important in establishing international boundaries. There are no native islanders but there are rich fishing grounds and initial surveys indicate the islands may contain significant oil and gas.

We can handcuff ourselves all we want. The Chinese will explore for oil.

An estimated 17.7 billion tons of oil and natural gas is not of little economic value. This is estimated to be the 4th largest reserve bed in the world.

390 freetoken  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:07:01pm

re: #357 Scorch

Maybe the Russian Navy is more professional than the Chinese Navy?

The possibility exists that the extreme closeness of the Chinese ship was a (dangerous) decision on the part of the Chinese captain(s), who was probably under orders to conduct surveillance and to harass in some fashion (likely to cover for the noise made by Chinese subs in the area.)

391 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:07:17pm

USS FU

392 joncelli  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:07:24pm

re: #377 CLLRusso

Looks like your caps lock key is stuck.

393 LC LaWedgie  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:07:46pm

Comment from a small business owner:


With Obama borrowing more money from the Chinese, he is putting us in an ugly position. We are making this play money which is being bought up by the Chinese who in turn feels like they own this country. We are stupid to borrow this money and put it on our children's shoulders just to make Obama and his supporters feel good. This spending is going to out due Bush who started two wars. Now the Chinese will expect us to buy from them so the Walmarts of the world can get bigger and our output manufacturing can dwindle to nothing. The only way to bring this country out of the ruins is manufacturing, You have to export products to compete in the world economy.
394 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:07:48pm

re: #371 HelloDare

I got it. Puppy Diplomacy! Who could refuse a puppy?

The North Koreans would certainly accept it. "Dee-lish!"

395 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:07:52pm

USS Its Bush's fault

396 Unakite  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:07:57pm

re: #160 vxbush

Yeah, it's more that I'm super sensitive to being allergic, but I do much better when I don't eat wheat. Much, much better. To the point where I have fewer migraines as just one of the benefits.

Not trying joke about allergies, but I work with a guy who has allergies. He would take Benadryl for his symptoms. Sometimes his symptoms would get worse, and he would take more Benadryl. His doctor finally figured out he was allergic to Benadryl.

397 albusteve  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:08:00pm

re: #383 OldLineTexan

He and I can agree on that.

We already do business with most of the other Commies.

something has to give with Cuba....we should invest down there...to continue this hypocricy is simply ridiculous

398 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:08:10pm

re: #374 Athos

Unfortunately, I think the Navy is making the same mistake they, and the Air Force, made in the early 60's regarding fighters - but not equipping them with guns. Many of the newer ships seem to have fewer and smaller guns - and a heavier dependency on missiles (particularly vertically launched). One of the early lessons learned from the grounding of the USS Port Royal was that the stress / twisting of the hull jammed many of the vertical launch tube hatches closed rendering those missiles unusable.

This is not a regular Naval vessel, it is a civilian ship tasked with doing what previously had been done by the military,

399 smokefire  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:08:10pm

re: #23 Charles

sort of like the Pueblo,
Charles?

400 yma o hyd  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:08:23pm

re: #330 zombie

All over the world. I have, as far as I know, every image of Mohammed ever created. As soon as I see one or become aware of one I don't know about, I add it to the archive. Now, people of all sorts send it to me. I'm one of the top results for "Mohammed" in Google (second, third or fourth, depending on your preferences setting), so I get thousands of visitors daily.

The comments page is a must-read!
The ones 'against it' are a scream - one would laugh non-stop if one didn't have daily evidence of their murderous thoughts being transformed into bloody deeds.

Take care, zombie!

401 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:08:32pm

re: #376 albusteve

like goo ball canons and noise guns?

H2B visas.

402 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:09:10pm

re: #384 Westward Ho

We won't hear a peep from the MSM of course.

///But what did the Obamas name their puppy?

403 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:09:32pm
404 Scorch  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:09:33pm

re: #364 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Obama must want to be able to get some Cuban Cigars.

What? BHO has a Monica Lewinsky on staff?

405 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:09:40pm

re: #402 Chicago Blonde

We won't hear a peep from the MSM of course.

///But what did the Obamas name their puppy?

Che?

406 Opinionated  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:09:48pm

re: #347 NYCHardhat

Other than Reagan....name one that hasn't.

It's not a comparison about which recent President was worse.

Just maybe we shouldn't settle for mediocrity from either party.

Frankly I have no desire to debate a recognizable fact- that Bush- particularly -and maybe only- in his second term, screwed up royally.

All you remaining Bush fans down ding away.

407 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:09:48pm

re: #397 albusteve

something has to give with Cuba....we should invest down there...to continue this hypocricy is simply ridiculous

I mean, how much more money can we send to China?

Wait, maybe we only did it so we could borrow it back AND have Hi-Def TVs ... OMG ... we're bastards.

408 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:09:49pm

USS Mainstreammediabias

409 theheat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:09:59pm

We attend their Olympics. We send them jobs. We import their shit by the cargo load thousands of times a day. We ask for our military shit back when it falls on their doorstep. We ignore their human rights abuses. We know they ship and import illegal arms and technology from our enemies. Now, we spray them with water to avoid conflict. Oh, and did I mention, on paper they pretty much own us?

If anyone thinks this all happened just since Obama was elected...

410 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:10:21pm

re: #401 OldLineTexan

H2B visas.

Brilliant! Get the Chinese crew to defect!

411 Lincolntf  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:10:33pm

re: #390 freetoken

Ah so, the old "Strip to your skivvies and distract the sailor boys..." gambit.
They've been reading Sun Tzu

412 debutaunt  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:11:28pm

re: #406 Opinionated

It's not a comparison about which recent President was worse.

Just maybe we shouldn't settle for mediocrity from either party.

Frankly I have no desire to debate a recognizable fact- that Bush- particularly -and maybe only- in his second term, screwed up royally.

All you remaining Bush fans down ding away.

Bush said he set aside his free-market principles. Worked out nicely, didn't it?

413 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:11:28pm

re: #410 Occasional Reader

Brilliant! Get the Chinese crew to defect!

Crap! You're on to me!

/launch escape pod

414 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:11:56pm

re: #403 Iron Fist

USCG also uses a semi-auto .50 Beowulf, built on an AR-15-ish frame, for shooting out the engines on drugrunner boats. (Yeah, just the engines... pssht.) I want one.

415 albusteve  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:12:01pm

re: #407 OldLineTexan

I mean, how much more money can we send to China?

Wait, maybe we only did it so we could borrow it back AND have Hi-Def TVs ... OMG ... we're bastards.

agreed....it's a perverted blend of economics and principle....Fidel is there to stay and after all money talks...put an airport on the south shore and somebody is gonna make millions

416 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:12:06pm

re: #406 Opinionated

It's not a comparison about which recent President was worse.

Just maybe we shouldn't settle for mediocrity from either party.

Frankly I have no desire to debate a recognizable fact- that Bush- particularly -and maybe only- in his second term, screwed up royally.

All you remaining Bush fans down ding away.


You still haven't given any instance where he screwed up royally in his second term. I feel that he never stated his case to the American people and that was his downfall. The media didn't give him an inch and 2006 was the year of the Botox lady.

417 joncelli  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:12:08pm

re: #411 Lincolntf

Well, he did say "Know your enemy as you know yourself..."

/You know. Know...

418 Clemente  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:12:33pm

re: #308 Kenneth

The whole point is that by intentionally following a pro-inflation policy, the Obama admin will be "taxing" our savings. Inflation is a mechanism whereby the value of your cash diminishes as a mean to pay off the real value of debt owed by the gov't. In effect, our savings are taxed by the effect of inflation.

Inflation is coming.

Bad times, Carter-style, much deeper many times longer-lasting, just months away.

419 Scorch  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:12:46pm

re: #390 freetoken

Maybe the Russian Navy is more professional than the Chinese Navy?

The possibility exists that the extreme closeness of the Chinese ship was a (dangerous) decision on the part of the Chinese captain(s), who was probably under orders to conduct surveillance and to harass in some fashion (likely to cover for the noise made by Chinese subs in the area.)


Very true. We did have one of those trawlers pass close enough astern to the Forrestal to cut our towed sonar which was a dead giveaway of one of their subs in our area.

420 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:12:53pm

re: #396 Unakite

Not trying joke about allergies, but I work with a guy who has allergies. He would take Benadryl for his symptoms. Sometimes his symptoms would get worse, and he would take more Benadryl. His doctor finally figured out he was allergic to Benadryl.

That irony reminds me of an old story:

A Mexican farmer would cross the border every day, pushing a wheelbarrow.

The border patrol officer became suspicious, and started searching the wheelbarrow, looking for contraband.

This went on every day for 30 years. Finally, the border patrol officer stopped the farmer one last time.

"You know I'm retiring tomorrow," the officer said. "I know you've been smuggling contraband for all these years. I just have to know what it was."

The farmer replied, "wheelbarrows."

421 brookly red  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:12:57pm

re: #411 Lincolntf

Ah so, the old "Strip to your skivvies and distract the sailor boys..." gambit.
They've been reading Sun Tzu

more likley a new uniform will cost you a months pay...

422 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:13:58pm

re: #411 Lincolntf

Ah so, the old "Strip to your skivvies and distract the sailor boys..." gambit.
They've been reading Sun Tzu

If any military personnel in the world should be using this tactic, it should be these ones.

423 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:14:06pm

I think North Korea is also feeling out the situation.

424 debutaunt  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:14:20pm

re: #421 brookly red

more likley a new uniform will cost you a months pay...

Only two weeks pay at Walmart.

425 Kenneth  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:14:29pm

And of course, the USS Dhimmitude.

426 Dustyvet  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:14:32pm

re: #372 OldLineTexan

I wonder who has to swab the poopdeck.

/

John Kerry, he's a swabbie who's well qualified for that job.

/S

427 albusteve  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:14:32pm

re: #414 Occasional Reader

USCG also uses a semi-auto .50 Beowulf, built on an AR-15-ish frame, for shooting out the engines on drugrunner boats. (Yeah, just the engines... pssht.) I want one.

I wanna be the shooter..I've seen some vids....bow goes down BOOMBOOM!....bow goes up....bow goes down BOOMBOOM!.....

428 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:14:43pm

re: #325 Ward Cleaver

In a big way.

Probably.re: #308 Kenneth

The whole point is that by intentionally following a pro-inflation policy, the Obama admin will be "taxing" our savings. Inflation is a mechanism whereby the value of your cash diminishes as a mean to pay off the real value of debt owed by the gov't. In effect, our savings are taxed by the effect of inflation.

Inflation is coming.

Probably. But there are an awful lot of deflationary pressures at work in the marketplace these days, from collapsing home prices to high unemployment through loss of savings. All of these are conspiring to drive prices downward.

A spike in energy costs would tend to work against those pressures, and we may see one this summer as China resumes it's nationwide highway construction and OPEC attempts to restrict supply. But the ongoing, massive printing of money, which typically boosts inflation by devaluing currency, won't have much of an effect as long as demand for goods remains low.

429 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:15:05pm

re: #402 Chicago Blonde

Michelle named it "Mini Me".

430 zombie  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:15:09pm

re: #400 yma o hyd

The comments page is a must-read!
The ones 'against it' are a scream - one would laugh non-stop if one didn't have daily evidence of their murderous thoughts being transformed into bloody deeds.

Take care, zombie!

The "comments page" (i.e. Emails From Readers) has a huge fan base all on its own. I frequently get emails from people saying it's "the funniest page on the Internet" or, alternately, "the most eye-opening page on the Internet." it's only funny if you aren't the one getting the death threats!

431 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:15:31pm

re: #305 astronmr20

Zombie you are a gem. Where the hell do you get this stuff?

Scientologist apostates living in Japan... where you been?

/ducks under desk...

432 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:15:35pm

re: #424 debutaunt

Only two weeks pay at Walmart.

Where does Walmart get most of its merchandise?

433 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:15:40pm

re: #422 Occasional Reader

If any military personnel in the world should be using this tactic, it should be these ones.

I never get tired of people linking that site. Sigh . ..

434 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:15:42pm

re: #423 WriterMom

Do you feel like many nations are now looking at us the way a fox looks at a fat hen?

435 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:15:46pm

re: #339 HelloDare

And special plastic helicopters! Two for one!

436 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:16:00pm
437 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:16:27pm

re: #429 WriterMom

Poor doggie...

438 Nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:16:38pm

re: #433 Creeping Eruption

I never get tired of people linking that site. Sigh . ..

Volunteer to work with the Israeli Army, if they still do that?

439 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:17:03pm

re: #434 Chicago Blonde

Well, I'm certainly looking at America thinking: WTF is it gonna take for that a-hole to get hoofed out, or is it gonna be four long years of obscene unravelling of American greatness by its own President.

440 freetoken  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:17:07pm

re: #419 Scorch

The characteristics of their new subs are probably some of their most cherished military secrets, and it is highly likely that is exactly why the Impeccable was operating in the area it was.

441 Lincolntf  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:17:46pm

re: #421 brookly red

OT/

I knew a guy who was a gold miner in S. Africa. The industrial kind of mines that churn out fatalities like clockwork, and I always thought his job sounded horrible beyond endurance. He largely agreed, but said that the "coloreds" had it much, much worse.
Anyway, the Chinese Navy strikes me as the same kind of job. Must be brutal.

442 debutaunt  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:17:46pm

re: #432 FurryOldGuyJeans

Where does Walmart get most of its merchandise?

China and then Walmart discounts it in a crazy circle of trade.

443 Dustyvet  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:17:53pm

re: #436 Iron Fist

They are Chinese. Would you serve them brazed puppy, grilled puppy? Boiled puppy or fried puppy? I've got it, Puppyburgers :-)

Puppy Under Glass, served with a Milk Bone in it's mouth...

444 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:18:21pm

re: #328 albusteve

USS We Suck
USS Do You Like Us Now

445 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:18:22pm

re: #404 Scorch

That poor dumb girl.

446 Kenneth  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:18:26pm

re: #422 Occasional Reader

Didn't some Pali group complain that female IDF soldiers were standing by the Gaza border fence & oppressively stripping as a means of taunting and torturing the "resistance fighters"?

447 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:18:26pm

OT, or rather, to reopen a topic that was discussed on an earlier thread:

Legislators in the state of CT wants to force the Catholic church to have a board of lay persons to oversee all financial aspects of the church diocese.

State Legislature sets sights on Roman Catholic Church.

Whether or not you are Catholic, or even religious, this intrusion by the government into a religious organization should be very disturbing to you. this is an issue in CT right now, but I believe this is likely a test situation. If they get away with it, it will come to church near you.

448 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:18:33pm

re: #411 Lincolntf

Ah so, the old "Strip to your skivvies and distract the sailor boys..." gambit.
They've been reading Sun Tzu

And if that doesn't work, they go to "Defcon 3", and begin slow-dancing to "My Funny Valentine".

449 albusteve  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:18:39pm

re: #443 Dustyvet

Puppy Under Glass, served with a Milk Bone in it's mouth...

puppy tongue....200 quatloos a lb

450 pre-Boomer's SockPuppy  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:18:43pm

re: #436 Iron Fist

They are Chinese. Would you serve them brazed puppy, grilled puppy? Boiled puppy or fried puppy? I've got it, Puppyburgers :-)

QUIT THAT!

/my Master graciously let me post this

451 yma o hyd  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:18:51pm

re: #430 zombie

The "comments page" (i.e. Emails From Readers) has a huge fan base all on its own. I frequently get emails from people saying it's "the funniest page on the Internet" or, alternately, "the most eye-opening page on the Internet." it's only funny if you aren't the one getting the death threats!

Precisely.
Thats why we all ehre hope that your security system is the top one around!

And its only funny if you disregard the fact that the friends of these writers are just now engaged in dishing out some more sharia law, make up some more suicide vests, train some more hamasholes ...

But still - exposing them to ridicule can't be a bad thing at all. What one laughs about geets less fearsome.

452 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:19:09pm

re: #445 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That poor dumb girl.

I bet she gives great helmet.

453 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:19:21pm

re: #446 Kenneth

Dream on, Palistinians.

454 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:19:23pm

re: #439 WriterMom

is it gonna be four long years of obscene unravelling of American greatness by its own President.

That's my big fear right there.

455 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:19:31pm

re: #443 Dustyvet

Puppy Under Glass, served with a Milk Bone in it's mouth...

Whatever happened to the old favorite, Puppy in a Blender?

456 pre-Boomer's SockPuppy  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:19:31pm

re: #443 Dustyvet

Puppy Under Glass, served with a Milk Bone in it's mouth...

im gonna bit yu on th ankle!

457 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:19:33pm
458 albusteve  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:19:52pm

re: #452 NYCHardhat

I bet she gives great helmet.

not the fleshy helm again....

459 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:19:52pm

re: #446 Kenneth

Didn't some Pali group complain that female IDF soldiers were standing by the Gaza border fence & oppressively stripping as a means of taunting and torturing the "resistance fighters"?

Are you TRYING to get me to join Hamas?!

460 jorline  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:19:59pm

No one messes with Joe.

461 brookly red  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:20:09pm

re: #425 Kenneth

And of course, the USS Dhimmitude.

Is that the real big one that carries our money to Gaza?

462 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:20:10pm

re: #454 Chicago Blonde

That's my big fear right there.

You, me and millions of others.

463 CIA Reject  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:20:16pm

re: #448 Occasional Reader

And if that doesn't work, they go to "Defcon 3", and begin slow-dancing to "My Funny Valentine".

"In The Navy"

464 Russkilitlover  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:20:22pm

re: #416 NYCHardhat

You still haven't given any instance where he screwed up royally in his second term. I feel that he never stated his case to the American people and that was his downfall. The media didn't give him an inch and 2006 was the year of the Botox lady.

That's a pretty big screw up.

465 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:20:26pm

re: #452 NYCHardhat

Obama could pick anyone of his media lovey-dovey-faces, male or female. LOL. It's not like they have been shy about their crushes.

466 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:20:31pm

re: #334 CyanSnowHawk

If that doesn't work Mandy, try this. In a deep Southern drawl, say "You're so big and strong."

I've threatened to pitch a hissy.

467 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:20:57pm
The incident took place in international waters in the South China Sea, about 75 miles south of Hainan Island.

I'm pretty sure this is what they call Hainan beef.

468 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:21:04pm
469 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:21:12pm

re: #341 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

or, you can try it the Liberal way.

GIVE ME YOUR THIN MINTS!

With a court order from a Clinton appointee.

470 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:21:19pm

re: #461 brookly red

Haha. Good one. There ain't a ship big enough in the world for that jizyah. Good thing there are electronic transfers to Swiss banks.

471 brookly red  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:21:35pm

re: #424 debutaunt

Only two weeks pay at Walmart.

awww crap! out snarked again!

472 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:21:40pm

Well, it looks like the Dow has decided to take a refreshing afternoon plunge.

Just shoot me.

473 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:21:52pm

re: #460 jorline

No one messes with Joe.

An image of Joe Biden taking the place of Toecutter from "Mad Max" just popped into my head.

Must. Stop. Laughing. Hysterically.

474 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:22:24pm

re: #468 Iron Fist

It won't be 8 if the Republican party can get its shiiiiiiite together.

Bolton/VDH yadda yadda yadda

475 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:22:27pm

re: #464 Russkilitlover

That's a pretty big screw up.

Better that. Than this.

476 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:22:33pm

re: #472 subsailor68

Well, it looks like the Dow has decided to take a refreshing afternoon plunge.

Just shoot me.

That's funny. Yet sad, but funny.

477 HelloDare  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:22:46pm

The USS Please Don't Hit Me

478 abaleh  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:22:58pm

re: #374 Athos

Unfortunately, I think the Navy is making the same mistake they, and the Air Force, made in the early 60's regarding fighters - but not equipping them with guns. Many of the newer ships seem to have fewer and smaller guns - and a heavier dependency on missiles (particularly vertically launched). One of the early lessons learned from the grounding of the USS Port Royal was that the stress / twisting of the hull jammed many of the vertical launch tube hatches closed rendering those missiles unusable.

navies that cannot take on the USN ship for ship will use swarming tactics with small craft, like the incident with Iranian speed boats about a year ago.
In the long run they would get their asses whooped, but in the short run they can inflict heavy damage on any vessel that isn't properly armed to deal with such an attack. And with a President like Obama that might be all they need before they get a surrender notice.
A surface version of the CIWS or Typhoon would be a solution to this problem.

and a different president.

479 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:23:19pm

re: #472 subsailor68

Well, it looks like the Dow has decided to take a refreshing afternoon plunge.

Just shoot me.

-98 down is only a minor dip.

/ Obama economist

480 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:23:21pm

re: #475 NYCHardhat

Better that. Than this.

Wow. And to think the Iranian newspapers and N.Y. Times are standing by the authenticity of that photo...

/

481 yma o hyd  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:23:22pm

re: #447 Ford_Prefect

OT, or rather, to reopen a topic that was discussed on an earlier thread:

Legislators in the state of CT wants to force the Catholic church to have a board of lay persons to oversee all financial aspects of the church diocese.

State Legislature sets sights on Roman Catholic Church.

Whether or not you are Catholic, or even religious, this intrusion by the government into a religious organization should be very disturbing to you. this is an issue in CT right now, but I believe this is likely a test situation. If they get away with it, it will come to church near you.

They probably see the RC Church as weak and as a church which people don't like much.

I wonder why they are not doing this to the mosques and muslim organisations?

Perhaps its worth telling the opponents of this that they should as for equal treatment of all faith organisations ...

482 Kragar  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:23:34pm

re: #477 HelloDare

The USS Please Don't Hit Me

USS Not in the face!

483 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:23:35pm

re: #165 pegcity

It's "overwhelming" you know.

484 Kenneth  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:23:47pm

re: #428 SixDegrees

That is true, and interesting, but... the gov't is aiming to create inflation for the simple reason the alternative, rapid deflation, is even more destructive to the economy. As you noted, there are several deflationary pressures in the economy now. The massive stimulus bill with involves the printing & spending of massive amounts of cash, and the particular tax cuts which will go into either more spending (more inflationary pressure) or savings (to be eating by inflation), is designed to push the economy into inflation.

485 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:23:54pm

re: #477 HelloDare

The USS Please Don't Hit Me

The USS Not In The Face

486 lifeofthemind  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:24:04pm

They tested Bush at almost the same time in his first administration. Remember the EP3 Hainan Incident?

487 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:24:06pm

re: #466 MandyManners

I've threatened to pitch a hissy.

Well, throw it fast, high, and inside. That should knock loose a few cookies.

488 Kragar  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:24:15pm

re: #485 Ward Cleaver

The USS Not In The Face

Beat you to it

489 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:24:27pm

The USS Let Me Out Of This Locker Please

490 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:24:39pm

re: #463 CIA Reject

"In The Navy"

And of course there's their terrifying war cry: "He hit Bunny! Let's go, girls!"

491 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:24:39pm

re: #488 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Beat you to it

Darnit!

492 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:24:47pm

re: #480 Oh no...Sand People!

Wow. And to think the Iranian newspapers and N.Y. Times are standing by the authenticity of that photo...

/

You like that google image right?

493 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:24:50pm

re: #484 Kenneth

Print and Spend! ALMS FOR THE STUPID! A Blackberry for Every Homeless!

Vote for meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

494 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:24:54pm

re: #472 subsailor68

Well, it looks like the Dow has decided to take a refreshing afternoon plunge.

Just shoot me.

Stop obsessing about the daily downs and...downs of the market. It's the long-term plunge we're supposed to concentrate on.

495 Golem Akbar  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:25:07pm

re: #439 WriterMom

Well, I'm certainly looking at America thinking: WTF is it gonna take for that a-hole to get hoofed out, or is it gonna be four long years of obscene unravelling of American greatness by its own President.

Hey, WM! [hungry yet?] I say 4 years! [big] But, new elections in 2010 can change the direction of Congress in a healthier direction. [yes, Sabah-in-training]

496 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:25:17pm

re: #479 FurryOldGuyJeans

-98 down is only a minor dip.

/ Obama economist

A minor dip caused by the comments of the Major Dip.

497 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:25:20pm

re: #489 Ward Cleaver

USS Take My Lunch Money, Please

498 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:25:25pm
499 Unakite  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:25:29pm

re: #389 FurryOldGuyJeans

An estimated 17.7 billion tons of oil and natural gas is not of little economic value. This is estimated to be the 4th largest reserve bed in the world.

After I posted, I realized I was quite a bit behind (still am).

500 kansas  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:25:32pm

Just talked to my broker, Barack Hussein. He says think long term. Buy on the dips.

501 albusteve  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:26:08pm

re: #500 kansas

Just talked to my broker, Barack Hussein. He says think long term. Buy on the dips.

avanti?...is that you?

502 CIA Reject  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:26:19pm

re: #490 Occasional Reader

And of course there's their terrifying war cry: "He hit Bunny! Let's go, girls!"

*wipes coffee off monitor*

SCREW YOU I'M WORKIN' FOR MEL BROOKS!

:-)

503 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:26:41pm

Barack Hussein Obama jumped the shark long ago.

504 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:27:07pm

re: #499 Unakite

After I posted, I realized I was quite a bit behind (still am).

Been there, done that, wish I wasn't so active at doing it. ;)

505 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:27:08pm

re: #495 Golem Akbar

{GOLEM}

Are you going to the Megilla reading tonight? We made Hamentaschen last night, jam and chocolate and the kids packed up colourful Mishloach Manot. I looooove Purim.

506 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:27:11pm

OT: May I rant for a moment?

I could just . . . [deleted] staff that cannot put the correct amount of postage on time sensitive materials so that they are sent back to us. One would think that the very expensive postage meter they have would obviate these types of problems.

Rant off. Thank you for your patience. Now back to your regularly scheduled program.

507 jjmckay1216  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:27:16pm

re: #422 Occasional Reader

many many many updings to u!

508 Kenneth  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:27:18pm

Ah yes, here it is...
Israelis deploy elite stripper death squads to fight PA jihadis

509 kansas  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:27:32pm

re: #501 albusteve

avanti?...is that you?

I can't remember who avanti is.

510 Dustyvet  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:27:39pm

re: #482 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

USS Not in the face!

U S S YELLOW STAIN

U S S CAN I JUST EAT MY WAFFLE

511 albusteve  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:27:50pm

re: #509 kansas

I can't remember who avanti is.

lucky you....

512 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:27:53pm

re: #503 NYCHardhat

Barack Hussein Obama jumped the shark long ago.

In his leather jacket, no less.

513 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:28:02pm

re: #498 Iron Fist

Invest in guns, ammunition, and other military/militia gear. I've got a new fighting knife being delivered tomorrow. It is hand made, kinda like a Gerber Mark II Vietnam issue blade. Cryotempered and all. Totally cool :-)

Oh I'm with you on that. Congrats on your new blade! (I'm stuck with my Benchmade folding and my Vietnam era K-BAR survival knife.)

But my ammo supply is going up steadily - when available.

514 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:28:04pm

re: #441 Lincolntf

OT/

I knew a guy who was a gold miner in S. Africa. The industrial kind of mines that churn out fatalities like clockwork, and I always thought his job sounded horrible beyond endurance. He largely agreed, but said that the "coloreds" had it much, much worse.
Anyway, the Chinese Navy strikes me as the same kind of job. Must be brutal.

I could go so many ways with this. I just say sadly that is true.

515 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:28:18pm
516 debutaunt  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:28:39pm

re: #482 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

USS Not in the face!

USS Big Pussy ?

517 avanti  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:28:46pm

re: #440 freetoken

The characteristics of their new subs are probably some of their most cherished military secrets, and it is highly likely that is exactly why the Impeccable was operating in the area it was.

It was not the first time the ship was harassed by the Chinese. The ship's purpose is two fold, it came map the ocean bottom and study thermal layers. If it finds a sub, it can study it's sound signature while being quite enough to avoid detection. It was probably near a Chinese sub, or they did not want that part of the ocean bottom mapped. I have a friend that is a oceanographer, and part of his job is to map the world ocean floor and the thermal layers where subs can hide.

518 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:28:48pm

Go ahead, spray me again, Joe.
I dare you.

519 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:28:54pm

re: #509 kansas

I can't remember who avanti is.

Be glad, be VERY glad you continue not knowing.

520 Opinionated  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:29:03pm

re: #457 Iron Fist

Two exceptions to that, and they are BIG exceptions. Roberts and Alito. They may wind up being the critical thing that Bush did right.

Maybe. And I never wrote that he didn't do anything right.

But note that even in this example, his first choice- which he was forced to withdraw by his own supporters- was Miers, not Alito.

There were other instances where he couldn't so the damage he might have done left to his own devices. Remember UAE and the ports?

521 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:29:36pm

re: #513 subsailor68

Oh I'm with you on that. Congrats on your new blade! (I'm stuck with my Benchmade folding and my Vietnam era K-BAR survival knife.)

But my ammo supply is going up steadily - when available.

I need to buy more 9mm ammo, but aren''t they pushing legislation through to have the rounds numbered?

522 kansas  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:29:38pm

re: #511 albusteve

lucky you....

Check Dow Chemical and then say that. I thought that would be a good buy. Looks like they halted trading today.

523 Golem Akbar  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:30:06pm

re: #505 WriterMom

{GOLEM}

Are you going to the Megilla reading tonight? We made Hamentaschen last night, jam and chocolate and the kids packed up colourful Mishloach Manot. I looooove Purim.


Tomorrow's Shacharit has Megilah reading. I'll be there, grogger in hand. No kids at home...dagnabbit.

524 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:30:26pm

re: #520 Opinionated

Maybe. And I never wrote that he didn't do anything right.

But note that even in this example, his first choice- which he was forced to withdraw by his own supporters- was Miers, not Alito.

There were other instances where he couldn't so the damage he might have done left to his own devices. Remember UAE and the ports?

I keep remembering his everflowing pens on budget bills.

525 Golem Akbar  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:30:32pm

re: #510 Dustyvet

U S S YELLOW STAIN

U S S CAN I JUST EAT MY WAFFLE

USS White Flag.

526 Russkilitlover  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:30:44pm

re: #506 Creeping Eruption

OT: May I rant for a moment?

I could just . . . [deleted] staff that cannot put the correct amount of postage on time sensitive materials so that they are sent back to us. One would think that the very expensive postage meter they have would obviate these types of problems.

Rant off. Thank you for your patience. Now back to your regularly scheduled program.

Federal Express - When it Absoulutely, Positively, Has to Get There Overnight.

527 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:31:02pm

re: #482 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

USS Not in the face!

USS Kick my Butt, thank you sir, may I have another. . .my brother is in the Navy. . .not on this ship, but well, see my other brother is a Marine, and so are my boys. . .and they rag on my brother all the time about their basic, their gear, their lives. . .and yes, every year, my brother gets a copy of G.I. Jane for his birthday, most recently November 26 of this year!

528 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:31:05pm

re: #521 NYCHardhat

I need to buy more 9mm ammo, but aren''t they pushing legislation through to have the rounds numbered?

Iron Fist probably has more info than I do, but yes, there have been proposals floating around to force manufacturers to put serial numbers on bullets and casings...California has/had one I believe.

Not sure it'll go anywhere, but NRA is keeping a keen eye on these proposals.

529 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:31:35pm

re: #513 subsailor68

(I'm stuck with my Benchmade folding and my Vietnam era K-BAR survival knife.)

I've been semi-inadvertently collecting blades over the years... K-Bar, CRKT M-60, kukri (possibly my fave), large Benchmade folder, smallish Kershaw folder (regular carry), CRKT "KISS", hmm, small K-Bar folder, and assorted Swiss Army, Leatherman & such... not really sure what to do with 'em all, but not really sure if I want to get rid of any of them.

530 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:31:43pm

re: #510 Dustyvet

U S S YELLOW STAIN

U S S CAN I JUST EAT MY WAFFLE

USS I KNOW WHO STOLE THE STRAWBERRIES

531 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:31:46pm

re: #508 Kenneth

Ah yes, here it is...
Israelis deploy elite stripper death squads to fight PA jihadis

I could watch that video all day. Hmmmm . . . .now there is an idea.

532 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:31:59pm

re: #505 WriterMom

{GOLEM}

Are you going to the Megilla reading tonight? We made Hamentaschen last night, jam and chocolate and the kids packed up colourful Mishloach Manot. I looooove Purim.

Me too! Love the 'tasch! We did nut filling this time around. . .yummy!

533 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:32:11pm

re: #439 WriterMom

Well, I'm certainly looking at America thinking: WTF is it gonna take for that a-hole to get hoofed out, or is it gonna be four long years of obscene unravelling of American greatness by its own President.

i was wondering that too.
o is getting discombobulated, tired, frustrated, testy as the job of potus becomes more than voting present,
and people are starting to question him.
buyer's remorse is inevitable.
he may just quit. he is a loser, after all.
and he can not stand criticism.
his handlers may force him out as he becomes more and more of an embarrassment.
hope for change. how could biden be worse?

534 brookly red  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:32:19pm

re: #441 Lincolntf

yes, (better for officers I guess) & I would have really felt bad had their ship gotten run over...

535 jcm  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:32:23pm

Jumping into thread late...

Headline should read....

ChiComs Moon Obama.

536 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:32:25pm

re: #485 Ward Cleaver

The USS Not In The Face

USS Buddy Bizarre

537 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:32:25pm

re: #484 Kenneth

That is true, and interesting, but... the gov't is aiming to create inflation for the simple reason the alternative, rapid deflation, is even more destructive to the economy. As you noted, there are several deflationary pressures in the economy now. The massive stimulus bill with involves the printing & spending of massive amounts of cash, and the particular tax cuts which will go into either more spending (more inflationary pressure) or savings (to be eating by inflation), is designed to push the economy into inflation.

Sure. Inflation = growth, at least of a sort, and growth is what's needed. Although the usual formulation is growth = inflation; chasing the obverse may not be such a good idea.

But without an external spike in some input - like energy - the deflationary pressures will win until people start spending again, and they aren't going to start spending as long as the threat of unemployment (or the fact of it) hangs over their heads on a daily basis; as long as they can't borrow against home equity that no longer exists; and as long as they can't tap into suddenly non-existent savings.

Inflationary pressure coupled to increased spending is pretty much what everyone wants right now - it would mean an end to the recession. Inflation tied to input increases - increased oil prices, for example - is what no one wants. We had plenty of that during the Carter era, and called it "stagflation," an increase in prices without any increase in growth to accompany it.

I don't think we'll see demand-driven inflation until well into next year, at the earliest. But I wouldn't necessarily mind being wrong.

538 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:32:30pm

re: #529 Occasional Reader

I've been semi-inadvertently collecting blades over the years... K-Bar, CRKT M-60, kukri (possibly my fave), large Benchmade folder, smallish Kershaw folder (regular carry), CRKT "KISS", hmm, small K-Bar folder, and assorted Swiss Army, Leatherman & such... not really sure what to do with 'em all, but not really sure if I want to get rid of any of them.

Wow! Sounds like a really nice collection. I'd hold on to 'em if I were you!

539 kansas  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:32:40pm

USS Imreallytired

540 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:32:52pm

re: #528 subsailor68

Iron Fist probably has more info than I do, but yes, there have been proposals floating around to force manufacturers to put serial numbers on bullets and casings...California has/had one I believe.

Not sure it'll go anywhere, but NRA is keeping a keen eye on these proposals.


Thanks. Screw it. I'll but the ammo anyway.

541 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:33:05pm

re: #532 DisturbedEma

We did some date, also-but my absolute favourite is prune.

542 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:33:12pm

USS Such a Pinch!

543 Opinionated  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:33:22pm

re: #524 FurryOldGuyJeans

I keep remembering his everflowing pens on budget bills.

My personal favorite- which has not yet borne fruit- or has Israeli blood flowing in the streets- is training the good terrorists of Fatah to fight the bad terrorists of Hamas.

Gosh, I hope all that arming and training doesn't go to waste when the good terrorists and the bad terrorists form a unity Government.

544 Kragar  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:33:36pm

I'm just thinking of the battle klaxon for the Barry Navy.

"AAAAARUUUUGLA! AAAAARUUUUGLA!"

545 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:33:39pm

re: #533 nyc redneck

i was wondering that too.
o is getting discombobulated, tired, frustrated, testy as the job of potus becomes more than voting present,
and people are starting to question him.
buyer's remorse is inevitable.
he may just quit. he is a loser, after all.
and he can not stand criticism.
his handlers may force him out as he becomes more and more of an embarrassment.
hope for change. how could biden be worse?

They won't have Barry O to kick around anymore. . ? If they name the dog Checkers. . .I'm just saying. . .

546 kansas  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:34:03pm

You know, if we really need this ammo, serial numbers on it is gonna be the least of our worries.

547 Ben Hur  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:34:03pm

USS Reset.

548 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:34:10pm

re: #505 WriterMom

{GOLEM}

Are you going to the Megilla reading tonight? We made Hamentaschen last night, jam and chocolate and the kids packed up colourful Mishloach Manot. I looooove Purim.

What are your kids dressed up as?

549 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:34:12pm

re: #533 nyc redneck

I don't think he'll quit. Michelle would put his nuts in a vice.

I think even his die hard fans can't ignore at least some elements of reality. However, there are still plenty of delusional, socialist, nanny-state advocates who will continue to cheer him on.

550 CIA Reject  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:34:15pm

Meeting time

/BBL

551 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:34:23pm

re: #508 Kenneth

Ah yes, here it is...
Israelis deploy elite stripper death squads to fight PA jihadis

Who is that singing "Tuesday's Gone" in the Video? The harmonica sounded like John Popper from Blues Traveler.

552 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:34:40pm

re: #541 WriterMom

We did some date, also-but my absolute favourite is prune.

I'm the apricot maven.. . .:)

553 Nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:34:43pm

re: #472 subsailor68

Well, it looks like the Dow has decided to take a refreshing afternoon plunge.

Just shoot me.

Sorry can't afford the freak en bullets?

554 Dustyvet  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:34:45pm

re: #544 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm just thinking of the battle klaxon for the Barry Navy.

"AAAAARUUUUGLA! AAAAARUUUUGLA!"

meep, meep!

555 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:35:04pm

re: #543 Opinionated

My personal favorite- which has not yet borne fruit- or has Israeli blood flowing in the streets- is training the good terrorists of Fatah to fight the bad terrorists of Hamas.

Gosh, I hope all that arming and training doesn't go to waste when the good terrorists and the bad terrorists form a unity Government.

I just look at the two alternatives we were offered in 2000 and 2004 and know things could have been worse.

Now we get the worse.

556 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:35:06pm
557 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:35:09pm

re: #544 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm just thinking of the battle klaxon for the Barry Navy.

"AAAAARUUUUGLA! AAAAARUUUUGLA!"

To be followed, in the submarines, by "EN-DIVE! EN-DIVE! EN-DIVE!"

/yes, we've done this one before, I'm sure

558 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:35:10pm

re: #540 NYCHardhat

Thanks. Screw it. I'll but the ammo anyway.

Definitely. I'd look for the personal protection rounds, as opposed to full metal jacket. Those are the ones that the control freaks like to call "cop killer" - even though they're not. Pick those up whenever you can find em, because - at least so far - they're in Holder's Assault Weapon Ban reinstatement proposal.

559 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:35:10pm

re: #532 DisturbedEma

I have to ask - Hamentaschen is one of those things I've heard about but never seen in the stores (and I'm an appalling baker). Is it like kolacki in taste? I know it's a tasty way to dis Hamen...

/*blush* I'm a total goy...

560 kansas  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:35:13pm

re: #551 Creeping Eruption

Who is that singing "Tuesday's Gone" in the Video? The harmonica sounded like John Popper from Blues Traveler.

My guess is Lynrd Skynrd, Ronnie VanZant

561 avanti  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:35:25pm

re: #478 abaleh


A surface version of the CIWS or Typhoon would be a solution to this problem.

and a different president.

No President, even the biggest cowboy would risk war with another superpower over this type of harassment. It's been going on with ships and planes for as long as I remember. Unless shots are fired or the like, it's the normal mode of operation. There have been ship to ship and plane collisions in the past.

562 debutaunt  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:35:27pm

re: #539 kansas

USS Imreallytired

Youtube Video

Leave Barack Obama alone!

563 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:35:39pm

re: #548 Alouette

Liberals!

Just kidding.

564 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:36:08pm

re: #548 Alouette

What are your kids dressed up as?

Star Wars, LOTR, for the boys and "Princess Esther" for one girl, she says she is too young to be Queen. . . the twins are going as bumble bees. . .

565 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:36:36pm

re: #481 yma o hyd

They probably see the RC Church as weak and as a church which people don't like much.

I wonder why they are not doing this to the mosques and muslim organisations?

Perhaps its worth telling the opponents of this that they should as for equal treatment of all faith organisations ...

Making this an across the board intrusion would not lessen the fact that it is still an intrusion. This is a violation of Constitutional rights IMO, and should be fought by everyone, religious or not.

566 Dustyvet  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:37:00pm

re: #559 Chicago Blonde

I have to ask - Hamentaschen is one of those things I've heard about but never seen in the stores (and I'm an appalling baker). Is it like kolacki in taste? I know it's a tasty way to dis Hamen...

/*blush* I'm a total goy...

I used to have a friend who called himself "The Token Goy"

567 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:37:05pm

re: #556 Iron Fist

Yeah. You have to buy what they have nowadays. It seems like it's not been that long ago that you could get Jacketed Hollowpoints (all Hollowpoints should wear a jacket :-) in whatever caliber you needed, cheap. Oh, yeah, it wasn't that long ago.

It is just amazing. I've been trying to find a fluted heavy barrel for an M-4, and nobody, anywhere in the United States has what I'm looking for. I don't even need a barreled upper (though I'd take an A2 if I could find one). There are a few on Gunbroker (A3 uppers, flat-topped with an A2 front sight. I hate that. One or the other, please), but nothing like what I really want. And it looks like there may be a six month backorder for it. Or longer. And at a price I really can't afford.

[/whine]

You and my brother seem to be on the same page. He is usually right about political things. I think I need a bigger gun.

568 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:37:07pm

re: #551 Creeping Eruption

Who is that singing "Tuesday's Gone" in the Video? The harmonica sounded like John Popper from Blues Traveler.

Metallica? They did a cover where Popper plays.

569 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:37:18pm

re: #532 DisturbedEma

Me too! Love the 'tasch! We did nut filling this time around. . .yummy!

I just hate it when I bite into a poppy-seed hamantash and it turns out to be prune.

570 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:37:20pm

re: #559 Chicago Blonde

They are triangle cookies with a centre of jam, chocolate, apricot or any other filling.

I got a super easy recipe from Chabad.org that made about 4 dozen.

571 kansas  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:37:26pm

re: #562 debutaunt

Priceless!

572 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:37:31pm

USS ChrisMatthewsHasASemiOverMe

573 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:37:34pm

re: #556 Iron Fist

Heh, heh, great minds think alike - two posts down from yours I recommended that NYCHardhat look for those. But you're spot on - buy whatever they have! Immediately.

;-)

574 Opinionated  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:37:55pm

re: #555 FurryOldGuyJeans

I just look at the two alternatives we were offered in 2000 and 2004 and know things could have been worse.

Now we get the worse.

Because the way we pick a President - particularly in the early eliminating primary States - is absurd.

575 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:37:58pm

re: #569 Spare O'Lake

I'm exactly the opposite. I hate poppy filling in anything. Total gross out.

576 Kenneth  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:38:03pm

re: #537 SixDegrees

I'm guessing 6-12 months before inflation kicks in. My suspicion is that this is the actual goal of Obama's financial strategy. Whether they get it just right is debatable, and we may well see stagflation instead.

577 kansas  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:38:16pm

re: #572 SasquatchOnSteroids

USS ChrisMatthewsHasASemiOverMe

USS Legtingle

578 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:38:18pm

re: #570 WriterMom

They are triangle cookies with a centre of jam, chocolate, apricot or any other filling.

I got a super easy recipe from Chabad.org that made about 4 dozen.

Thank you! :)

579 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:38:29pm

re: #559 Chicago Blonde

I have to ask - Hamentaschen is one of those things I've heard about but never seen in the stores (and I'm an appalling baker). Is it like kolacki in taste? I know it's a tasty way to dis Hamen...

/*blush* I'm a total goy...

Funny you should ask- mine is more like a filled cookie, but I have seen some, and not sure if this is on purpose, but they look more syfaganot. . .donut like. . .mine is a filled cookie,

how about you WM?

580 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:38:34pm

re: #568 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Metallica? They did a cover where Popper plays.

Metallica, Tuesday's Gone...

581 brookly red  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:38:36pm

OT: Are any of the re-done Iowa class ships still around? (I think there were 4 & those were my favorites).

582 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:38:36pm

PURIM.

583 abaleh  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:38:56pm

re: #561 avanti

No President, even the biggest cowboy would risk war with another superpower over this type of harassment. It's been going on with ships and planes for as long as I remember. Unless shots are fired or the like, it's the normal mode of operation. There have been ship to ship and plane collisions in the past.

I wasn't suggesting firing on these Chinese ships (though a few shots across the bow would have sent a message).
I'm saying that the USN needs to be prepared for the possibility that in a conflict with nations like Iran or North Korea, that do not have a powerful surface fleet, the use of swarming tactics to overwhelm US vessels is very plausible, and a solution should be sought (if it hasn't already).

584 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:39:13pm
585 yma o hyd  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:39:15pm

re: #565 Ford_Prefect

Making this an across the board intrusion would not lessen the fact that it is still an intrusion. This is a violation of Constitutional rights IMO, and should be fought by everyone, religious or not.

Oh absolutely - but making them think about the consequences of offending muslims should make them think about doing this in the first place.

586 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:39:27pm

re: #569 Spare O'Lake

I just hate it when I bite into a poppy-seed hamantash and it turns out to be prune.

ME TOO- WM you can have all my prune. . .

587 Dustyvet  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:39:42pm

re: #570 WriterMom

They are triangle cookies with a centre of jam, chocolate, apricot or any other filling.

I got a super easy recipe from Chabad.org that made about 4 dozen.

Image: cookie_640.jpg

588 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:39:44pm

re: #579 DisturbedEma

Mine are definitely like cookies, but my step-mom has a yeast recipe. So, yes-I think there are people who do them with a yeast dough.

589 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:40:01pm

re: #583 abaleh

I wasn't suggesting firing on these Chinese ships (though a few shots across the bow would have sent a message).
I'm saying that the USN needs to be prepared for the possibility that in a conflict with nations like Iran or North Korea, that do not have a powerful surface fleet, the use of swarming tactics to overwhelm US vessels is very plausible, and a solution should be sought (if it hasn't already).

I guess I missed the part where China became a superpower. . .

590 abaleh  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:40:19pm

re: #564 DisturbedEma

Star Wars, LOTR, for the boys and "Princess Esther" for one girl, she says she is too young to be Queen. . . the twins are going as bumble bees. . .

cute. Purim is the best holiday for kids.

591 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:40:20pm

re: #581 brookly red

OT: Are any of the re-done Iowa class ships still around? (I think there were 4 & those were my favorites).

They're all mothballed.
I wonder what a rubber boat with explosives would have done to the Iowa class armor. "We were attacked by a suicide boat. Send some sailors to scrape their remains off the side of the hull, and get the paint out."

592 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:40:24pm

re: #556 Iron Fist

(all Hollowpoints should wear a jacket

Heh.

What do you think of Cor-Bon "Pow-R-Ball"?

593 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:40:26pm

re: #586 DisturbedEma

YAY!

All your prune hamentaschens are belongs to me!

594 bulwrk  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:40:29pm

re: #581 brookly red

As museums yes active service no.

595 kansas  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:40:32pm

re: #580 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Metallica, Tuesday's Gone...

Lynryd Skynrd Tuesday's Gone

Youtube Video
596 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:40:34pm

re: #581 brookly red

OT: Are any of the re-done Iowa class ships still around? (I think there were 4 & those were my favorites).

This is kind of a fun link if ya like Iowa class:

Iowa Class (BB-61 through BB-66), 1940 & 1941 Building Programs

597 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:40:51pm
598 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:41:14pm

re: #575 WriterMom

I'm exactly the opposite. I hate poppy filling in anything. Total gross out.

LOL. Take my prune, please!

599 debutaunt  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:41:18pm

re: #571 kansas

Priceless!

When he says, "I mean it!", I roar laughing!

600 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:41:32pm
601 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:41:32pm

re: #585 yma o hyd

Oh absolutely - but making them think about the consequences of offending muslims should make them think about doing this in the first place.

Frankly I am just amazed that they are even trying this. I don't know if it is a matter someone with a major agenda against the Catholic church, or just a case of colossal stupidity.

602 Kragar  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:41:33pm

re: #597 Kosh's Shadow

Let the eat arugula!

In Obama America, Arugula eats you

603 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:41:35pm

re: #579 DisturbedEma

re: #582 WriterMom

Thank you! I remembered the story of Esther but I didn't know much about Purim, and I'm hesitant to bake stuff. If you say the recipe is easy though I'll try it - those cookies looked wonderful.

604 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:41:41pm
605 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:41:59pm

re: #595 kansas

Was answering a question. Wasn't showing a preference.

STOP GLARING AT ME!

606 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:42:02pm
607 albusteve  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:42:05pm

re: #580 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Metallica, Tuesday's Gone...

that was pretty cool....maybe I need to rethink those worthless head moshers

608 DaChew  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:42:12pm

Here's the thing: That ship knows where every Chinese submarine in the area is. I'm sure the Chinese know that they can't move a one of them without the US knowing exactly where they are. On the flip side, the Chinese have no idea where the US submarines are in that area or if there are any. The only way they have of figuring it out is to get the US navy concerned enough to send a sonar ping warning. How do they do that? Harrass an unarmed ship. Any warning ping is from a submarine and since they have their own surveilance ship on site, you can immediately figure out where it came from. Our guys obviously didn't fall for it.
The remedy here is to pull some obsolete pile of bolts out of the mothballs, maybe an old destroyer or frigget, and send it along for the patrol. Then, if there's an "accident" it's, "Oh dear, we're so sorry we collided with your ship. You know these old boats are so hard to maneuver you really should be more carefull about how close you approach. If it's any consolation, the heavily reinforced with concrete bow of our ship did suffer a very ugly scratch. Were you able to find both halves of your ship? Ironically, we can help you find them with our sonar ship if you're interested."

609 brookly red  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:42:30pm

re: #556 Iron Fist

Yeah. You have to buy what they have nowadays. It seems like it's not been that long ago that you could get Jacketed Hollowpoints (all Hollowpoints should wear a jacket :-) in whatever caliber you needed, cheap. Oh, yeah, it wasn't that long ago.

It is just amazing. I've been trying to find a fluted heavy barrel for an M-4, and nobody, anywhere in the United States has what I'm looking for. I don't even need a barreled upper (though I'd take an A2 if I could find one). There are a few on Gunbroker (A3 uppers, flat-topped with an A2 front sight. I hate that. One or the other, please), but nothing like what I really want. And it looks like there may be a six month backorder for it. Or longer. And at a price I really can't afford.

[/whine]

try going on line to Pakistan?

610 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:42:41pm

re: #607 albusteve

You're such a snob.

611 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:43:13pm

re: #590 abaleh

cute. Purim is the best holiday for kids.

Yes, I have a Samwise and A Wraith. . .and a Qui Gon and an Obi Wan, AND. . .oh, and 2 who will be in their uniforms in 'Stan this year for Purim. . .and the bees. . .

612 kansas  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:43:14pm

re: #605 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Was answering a question. Wasn't showing a preference.

STOP GLARING AT ME!

So was that Metallica or Skynrd, or someone else?

613 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:43:16pm

re: #600 Iron Fist

If you can find one, the Sig 556 is a really good gun for the price. Or at least it was. You can get ARs cheaper, but again it is what you can find.

You can never have enough guns and ammunition.

Never.

I hear you. Unfortunately the AR15 is illegal in my great state of Jon Corzine. The only rifle that does not come under the assault weapon ban is the SKS. I want a 12 gauge prior to that though.

614 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:43:18pm

-99.88

Wheeeee!

615 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:43:32pm

re: #601 Ford_Prefect

Hey Ford send me a energy pack please!

616 albusteve  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:43:35pm

re: #610 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You're such a snob.

I'm serious....I liked that riff

617 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:44:13pm

re: #593 WriterMom

YAY!

All your prune hamentaschens are belongs to me!

You betcha!

618 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:44:22pm

re: #614 Killgore Trout

-99.88

Wheeeee!

-86.34. Boingy, boingy, boingy!

619 gonecamping  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:44:29pm

Too Funny!

re: #544 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm just thinking of the battle klaxon for the Barry Navy.

"AAAAARUUUUGLA! AAAAARUUUUGLA!"

620 avanti  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:44:44pm

re: #583 abaleh

I wasn't suggesting firing on these Chinese ships (though a few shots across the bow would have sent a message).
I'm saying that the USN needs to be prepared for the possibility that in a conflict with nations like Iran or North Korea, that do not have a powerful surface fleet, the use of swarming tactics to overwhelm US vessels is very plausible, and a solution should be sought (if it hasn't already).

I think they could use those radar controlled rapid fire machine guns that could vaporize close in targets. ( Phalanx)

621 yma o hyd  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:44:44pm

re: #601 Ford_Prefect

Frankly I am just amazed that they are even trying this. I don't know if it is a matter someone with a major agenda against the Catholic church, or just a case of colossal stupidity.

Someone with a secret major agenda against the RC Curch, palming it off on people of colossal stupidity ...

622 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:44:48pm

re: #607 albusteve

regarding...

those worthless head moshers

/

623 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:45:03pm

Guys, I'd love to stay but I need to get going. Have a great night everybody!

624 Kenneth  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:45:23pm

re: #551 Creeping Eruption

Believe it or not, it's Metallica

625 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:45:26pm

Time to go watch for the bus. . .Gut Yontiv!

626 imtoast  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:45:37pm

As Imotep said in the Mummy, "This is only the beginning."

627 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:45:44pm

What did I miss why the deletes?

628 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:46:08pm

re: #603 Chicago Blonde

Here's what I used:

1 cup sugar
1/3 cup oil
1/3 cup margarine (or shortening)
3 eggs
4 cups flour
3 tsp. baking powder
1 tsp. salt
1 additional beaten egg for glazing
-your choice of filling

-cream sugar, oil and shortening then add eggs and juice
-blend with dry ingredients and roll into ball
-divide into 4 parts, roll to 1/8 " and use cup rip to make circles
-put filling in middle, pinch three corners then glaze with egg
-bake at 350F for about 15 minutes

629 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:46:17pm

re: #627 Erik The Red

What did I miss why the deletes?

Yeah, what he said. . .

630 brookly red  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:46:47pm

re: #591 Kosh's Shadow

They're all mothballed.
I wonder what a rubber boat with explosives would have done to the Iowa class armor. "We were attacked by a suicide boat. Send some sailors to scrape their remains off the side of the hull, and get the paint out."

I want em back for just such occasions... (OK cut in front of this)

631 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:46:49pm

re: #628 WriterMom

Here's what I used:

1 cup sugar
1/3 cup oil
1/3 cup margarine (or shortening)
3 eggs
4 cups flour
3 tsp. baking powder
1 tsp. salt
1 additional beaten egg for glazing
-your choice of filling

-cream sugar, oil and shortening then add eggs and juice
-blend with dry ingredients and roll into ball
-divide into 4 parts, roll to 1/8 " and use cup rip to make circles
-put filling in middle, pinch three corners then glaze with egg
-bake at 350F for about 15 minutes


Bake off!

632 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:46:55pm

re: #615 Erik The Red

Hey Ford send me a energy pack please!

Huh? If you referring to Mafia wars I am not in that one.

633 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:47:03pm

re: #614 Killgore Trout

Racist, damned Bush-loving stock market!

634 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:47:08pm

re: #628 WriterMom

Here's what I used:

1 cup sugar
1/3 cup oil
1/3 cup margarine (or shortening)
3 eggs
4 cups flour
3 tsp. baking powder
1 tsp. salt
1 additional beaten egg for glazing
-your choice of filling- but WM gets all your PRUNE
-cream sugar, oil and shortening then add eggs and juice
-blend with dry ingredients and roll into ball
-divide into 4 parts, roll to 1/8 " and use cup rip to make circles
-put filling in middle, pinch three corners then glaze with egg
-bake at 350F for about 15 minutes

So you are clear. . .:)

635 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:47:24pm

re: #621 yma o hyd

Someone with a secret major agenda against the RC Curch, palming it off on people of colossal stupidity ...

You may have something there.

636 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:47:31pm
637 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:47:46pm

re: #568 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Metallica? They did a cover where Popper plays.

That could be it. It definitely is not Skynard

638 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:47:48pm

re: #632 Ford_Prefect

Sorry I was. Join I need all the help I can get.

639 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:48:29pm

Is it true that an over-baked cookie dough prune hamantash is a lethal IDF head shot from inside forty feet?

640 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:48:59pm

re: #639 Spare O'Lake

No, you're thinking of overdone Matzo balls.

641 Kenneth  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:48:59pm

A Chinese navy thread, Prune hamentaschen recipes and a string of deletes... yup, it's Monday afternoon at LGF.

642 jcm  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:49:00pm

re: #561 avanti

No President, even the biggest cowboy would risk war with another superpower over this type of harassment. It's been going on with ships and planes for as long as I remember. Unless shots are fired or the like, it's the normal mode of operation. There have been ship to ship and plane collisions in the past.

Cold War we sent ships into the Black Sea, which the Sovs considered their private pond. Not infrequently ours came back and went into the body and fender shop.

643 albusteve  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:49:15pm

re: #622 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

regarding...

/

well that....actually I always thought those guys were very talented and they definately took their music seriously...I just didn't dig what they were into...but great musicians tend to evolve with age, styles they never dreamed of doing are now open to them and it is fun to watch the changes...like I said that was a nice groove there

644 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:49:46pm

re: #638 Erik The Red

Sorry I was. Join I need all the help I can get.

Nah. I am already doing the Metropolis thing and the Pirates thing. Though I have no idea what I am doing in the Pirates one and only a modicum of understanding of what I am doing in the Metropolis one.

645 Russkilitlover  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:49:56pm

re: #626 imtoast

As Imotep said in the Mummy, "This is only the beginning."

I believe that was "Death is only the beginning."

646 wiffersnapper  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:50:23pm

Watch obama kiss chinese ass here.

647 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:50:56pm

re: #646 wiffersnapper

Watch obama kiss chinese ass here.

eww. No thank you.

BRAIN BLEACH PLEASE!

648 Kenneth  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:51:17pm

re: #636 Iron Fist

As much as it galls me, I have to agree with Avanti on this one. The Chinese are testing Obama, not the US Navy. They know what the US Navy is capable of. What they want to find out is what the POTUS is made of.

649 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:51:21pm

Ooh,I think we have a couple of Jehovah Witness' people walking down the street.
I have a chihuahua, and I'm not afraid to use him.

650 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:51:28pm

re: #647 Ford_Prefect

eww. No thank you.

BRAIN BLEACH PLEASE!

There is soemthing awful about hearing chinese ass.

651 Opinionated  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:51:30pm

Charles: Why the deletions?

652 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:51:37pm

re: #646 wiffersnapper

BEHEAD THOSE WHO PUT OBAMA, KISS AND ASS IN THE SAME POST.

653 Scorch  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:51:42pm

re: #528 subsailor68

Iron Fist probably has more info than I do, but yes, there have been proposals floating around to force manufacturers to put serial numbers on bullets and casings...California has/had one I believe.

Not sure it'll go anywhere, but NRA is keeping a keen eye on these proposals.

The biggest catch on the ammo encoding in various states is they also require anyone who has unencoded ammo to destroy it in 2011.
Yeah right, good luck with that.

654 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:51:44pm
655 kansas  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:51:53pm

re: #648 Kenneth

As much as it galls me, I have to agree with Avanti on this one. The Chinese are testing Obama, not the US Navy. They know what the US Navy is capable of. What they want to find out is what the POTUS is made of.

You don't think they already know?

656 abaleh  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:52:06pm

re: #611 DisturbedEma

Yes, I have a Samwise and A Wraith. . .and a Qui Gon and an Obi Wan, AND. . .oh, and 2 who will be in their uniforms in 'Stan this year for Purim. . .and the bees. . .

Wow, quite a lot of naches for you.
Have a great Chag, I'm off to a Purim party.

657 pegcity  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:52:06pm

re: #649 SasquatchOnSteroids

maybe they will give you that pamphlet with the 2 headed lion.

658 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:52:09pm

re: #644 Ford_Prefect

Nah. I am already doing the Metropolis thing and the Pirates thing. Though I have no idea what I am doing in the Pirates one and only a modicum of understanding of what I am doing in the Metropolis one.

You are in the same boat as me. More ass than class in those games. Pirates?

659 Golem Akbar  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:52:22pm

re: #640 WriterMom

No, you're thinking of overdone Matzo balls.

WM, and other MOT's, you seen this yet?

660 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:52:45pm

re: #654 Iron Fist

Cor Bon is good ammo, but I don't know the specifics of that particular version. It's priceier than I usually buy, but right now it is much more the case that you buy whatever they have. I used to get 230gr Jacketed hollowpoints for about $0.36 a round at Wally World. Now it is about twice that price, if I can find any at all.

And hang up anything other than ground squirrl rounds in 5.56. Nobody has anything around here.

Saw a movie referencing Glazer Safety Slugs. Those still available/legal? I know black talons aren't (at least not here)

661 gonecamping  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:52:49pm

That's an easy question. "Words, just words" is Obama is made of.

re: #648 Kenneth

As much as it galls me, I have to agree with Avanti on this one. The Chinese are testing Obama, not the US Navy. They know what the US Navy is capable of. What they want to find out is what the POTUS is made of.

662 Dustyvet  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:52:59pm

Chicago Ald Munoz attacks voter in his office, omg


Chicago, Chicago,...


Youtube Video
663 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:53:09pm

re: #649 SasquatchOnSteroids

Ooh,I think we have a couple of Jehovah Witness' people walking down the street.
I have a chihuahua, and I'm not afraid to use him.

If they knock, answer the door naked.

664 albusteve  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:53:26pm

re: #654 Iron Fist

Cor Bon is good ammo, but I don't know the specifics of that particular version. It's priceier than I usually buy, but right now it is much more the case that you buy whatever they have. I used to get 230gr Jacketed hollowpoints for about $0.36 a round at Wally World. Now it is about twice that price, if I can find any at all.

And hang up anything other than ground squirrl rounds in 5.56. Nobody has anything around here.

if you were paid for you gun fu you'd be a millionaire...

665 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:53:39pm

re: #656 abaleh

Wow, quite a lot of naches for you.
Have a great Chag, I'm off to a Purim party.

Yeah, the bees are the twins. . .in case you missed it. . .

666 CapeCoddah  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:53:46pm

A lovely new video of NY Rep Charlie Rangel. "Why don't you mind your goddamned business" Nice!

Youtube Video
667 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:53:57pm

re: #663 IslandLibertarian

If they knock, answer the door naked.

It's already hot enough out there.

Ba-da-Bing.

668 Kenneth  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:54:00pm

re: #655 kansas

They must be thinking, "but the Americans are smart and tricky... they wouldn't put a completely inexperienced dufus in the White House would they? Would they?"

669 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:54:22pm

re: #660 Creeping Eruption

Saw a movie referencing Glazer Safety Slugs. Those still available/legal? I know black talons aren't (at least not here)

I'm guessing the movie was Manhunter?

I know they're for sale around here (Maryland & Virginia).

670 CapeCoddah  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:54:31pm

re: #663 IslandLibertarian

If they knock, answer the door naked.

With a pentagram painted on your chest in fake blood.

671 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:54:41pm

re: #658 Erik The Red

You are in the same boat as me. More ass than class in those games. Pirates?

Yeah, friend of mine got me into it. I have no idea.

672 hazzyday  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:54:41pm

Now would be the time for China to push on Taiwan. I'm perceiving Obama as weak and unprepared. Although we could probably ask Great Britain for some help if we needed it.

673 kansas  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:55:04pm

re: #668 Kenneth

They must be thinking, "but the Americans are smart and tricky... they wouldn't put a completely inexperienced dufus in the White House would they? Would they?"

It's all part of our sinister plot to commit national suicide.

674 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:55:04pm

re: #669 Occasional Reader

I'm guessing the movie was Manhunter?

I know they're for sale around here (Maryland & Virginia).

You guessed right.

675 NYCHardhat  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:55:33pm

re: #672 hazzyday

Now would be the time for China to push on Taiwan. I'm perceiving Obama as weak and unprepared. Although we could probably ask Great Britain for some help if we needed it.

Ask Gordie to borrow Citizen Kane.

676 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:55:40pm

re: #653 Scorch

The biggest catch on the ammo encoding in various states is they also require anyone who has unencoded ammo to destroy it in 2011.
Yeah right, good luck with that.

LOL! Yeah, think about the irony.

Cop 1: "Looks like Louie finally bought it."
Cop 2: "Not a problem. Check the serial number."
Cop 1: "Mmm...there isn't one."
Cop 2: "Aha! Then it must be.............oops."

677 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:56:08pm

re: #648 Kenneth

As much as it galls me, I have to agree with Avanti on this one. The Chinese are testing Obama, not the US Navy. They know what the US Navy is capable of. What they want to find out is what the POTUS is made of.

One aspect of military tactics and strategy is to ALWAYS test one's opponent and their capabilities. The Navy AND Obama were being tested.

678 CapeCoddah  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:56:23pm

re: #662 Dustyvet

Chicago Ald Munoz attacks voter in his office, omg

Chicago, Chicago,...

[Video]

He should be arrested for assault and battery.

679 Dustyvet  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:56:30pm

New York, New York!


Rep. Charlie Rangel swears at Jason Mattera over scandal questions


Youtube Video
680 The Optimist  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:56:39pm

re: #238 Kenneth

'Shut up about Chavez the killer' Venezuelan co-star tells Sean Penn

Amen.

Maria Conchita Alonso is a Venezuelan babe who knows very up close and personal many many powerful people in high places. She knows what she is saying.

681 WriterMom  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:56:43pm

re: #659 Golem Akbar

Wow. KEEEEEEEWL. I like it.

682 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:57:03pm

re: #672 hazzyday

Now would be the time for China to push on Taiwan. I'm perceiving Obama as weak and unprepared. Although we could probably ask Great Britain for some help if we needed it.

After O dissed PM Brown? Yeah, riiiight.

683 Sunlight  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:57:06pm

My first thought: Psychological Warfare

Put it on YouTube!

684 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:57:08pm

re: #576 Kenneth

I'm guessing 6-12 months before inflation kicks in. My suspicion is that this is the actual goal of Obama's financial strategy. Whether they get it just right is debatable, and we may well see stagflation instead.

Unfortunately, it is becoming more and more apparent that the current Administration doesn't have anything even resembling a goal. Of any kind. They are stumbling through this a day at a time without a clue as to what they are doing or what needs to be done.

685 brookly red  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:57:14pm

re: #649 SasquatchOnSteroids

Ooh,I think we have a couple of Jehovah Witness' people walking down the street.
I have a chihuahua, and I'm not afraid to use him.

seeesh, talk about intolerance...

686 Golem Akbar  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:57:40pm

re: #681 WriterMom

Wow. KEEEEEEEWL. I like it.


Take no prisoners.

687 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:57:47pm

Smart, Ford UAW, Smart.

688 CapeCoddah  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:58:44pm

re: #679 Dustyvet

New York, New York!

Rep. Charlie Rangel swears at Jason Mattera over scandal questions

[Video]

I just posted that DV, appropriately enough in # 666

689 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:59:07pm

re: #674 Creeping Eruption

You guessed right.

I hear the "hose us down and we'll strip to our underwear" Chinese Navy is working on a remake of Manhunter.

//

690 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:59:11pm

re: #662 Dustyvet

Chicago Ald Munoz attacks voter in his office, omg

Chicago, Chicago,...

www.youtube.com...]>

Very, very suspicious editing. What took place just before the video begins?

Sorry, but this smells like Michael Moore-style "documentary." Something ain't right.

691 albusteve  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:59:48pm

re: #688 CapeCoddah

I just posted that DV, appropriately enough in # 666

I posted it early this morning....?

692 Dustyvet  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 12:59:53pm

re: #688 CapeCoddah

I just posted that DV, appropriately enough in # 666

whoops...

693 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:00:08pm

re: #687 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Smart, Ford UAW, Smart.

Did they jump the gun? If GM goes into bankruptcy, then they may have been able to force better terms from UAW.

694 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:00:13pm

re: #659 Golem Akbar

WM, and other MOT's, you seen this yet?

Very interesting. . .

695 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:00:28pm
696 kansas  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:00:54pm

6,547.13
-79.81 (-1.20%)
Mar 9 - Close

82 days till 0.

697 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:01:06pm

re: #687 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Smart, Ford UAW, Smart.

Interesting. I wonder if UAW decided Alan Mulally is, in fact, the real deal?

698 Kenneth  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:01:21pm

re: #690 SixDegrees

The guy who made the video has been doing this for a while: walking up to and asking rather blunt questions of the corrupt politicians in Washington. Unlike Moore, he did not edit together a string of unrelated clips and scenes to make up some point.

699 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:01:27pm

re: #687 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Smart, Ford UAW, Smart.

Very smart.

700 HelloDare  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:01:35pm

re: #539 kansas

USS Imreallytired

The smokestack is a giant cigarette.

701 Sunlight  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:01:37pm

re: #684 SixDegrees

Unfortunately, it is becoming more and more apparent that the current Administration doesn't have anything even resembling a goal. Of any kind. They are stumbling through this a day at a time without a clue as to what they are doing or what needs to be done.

Of course they have goals!

1. Make it fair. Flatten down the rich people, even if it means famine around the world. Fair and flat are more important than continuing our progress on feeding the world and getting them set up in business to support themselves.

2. Cool is everything. Defend your right to party, even if it leaves one too tired to do one's job during the day. Partying should not have consequences.

I know there are more. I know these people.

702 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:01:41pm

re: #662 Dustyvet

Chicago Ald Munoz attacks voter in his office, omg


Chicago, Chicago,...

Youtube Video

re: #666 CapeCoddah

A lovely new video of NY Rep Charlie Rangel. "Why don't you mind your goddamned business" Nice!




WOW.

I hope both of those get spread wide and far.

Later, Lizards!

703 Buck  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:02:05pm

re: #570 WriterMom

They are triangle cookies with a centre of jam, chocolate, apricot or any other filling.

I got a super easy recipe from Chabad.org that made about 4 dozen.

Poppy seed are the most popular in my house, but beware....

The story that eating a lot of poppy seeds can cause you to fail a drug test.... is TRUE!

704 CapeCoddah  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:02:06pm

re: #691 albusteve

I posted it early this morning....?

OK Steve, You win. DV and I need to pay attention!

705 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:02:23pm

I am out of here Lizards!

*walks off with towel over his shoulder and electronic thumb out.

706 Dustyvet  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:02:30pm

re: #690 SixDegrees

Very, very suspicious editing. What took place just before the video begins?

Sorry, but this smells like Michael Moore-style "documentary." Something ain't right.

Oh I see, assaulting a voter is okay with you...

/S

707 Nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:02:32pm

re: #696 kansas

6,547.13
-79.81 (-1.20%)
Mar 9 - Close

82 days till 0.

So? I've already lost so much more than if the market goes to 0 tomorrow. Go ahead make my day.

708 kansas  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:02:37pm

re: #700 HelloDare

USS Affirmative Action Where none of the crew are qualified.

709 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:02:51pm

re: #672 hazzyday

Now would be the time for China to push on Taiwan. I'm perceiving Obama as weak and unprepared. Although we could probably ask Great Britain for some help if we needed it.

There's not a thing Obama would be able to do about it. Hillary was just there, and rolled over completely on China's appalling human rights abuses. Why? Well, for one thing, she's Hillary, and the Clintons have received vast sums from China during their political careers. And more pressing, China holds vast amounts of US debt in the form of Treasury Bonds. Dumping large amounts of these on the market would completely undermine the US economy (and that of the rest of the world, as well, but if you're at war you have to make choices.)

710 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:03:07pm

Good Night Lizards. See you on the LNDT.

711 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:03:16pm

Later.

712 Erik The Red  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:03:29pm

re: #705 Ford_Prefect

I am out of here Lizards!

*walks off with towel over his shoulder and electronic thumb out.

Night Ford

713 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:03:43pm

Must run as well. I hope everyone here has a terrific evening!

714 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:03:46pm
715 CapeCoddah  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:03:50pm

re: #687 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Smart, Ford UAW, Smart.

Wow, that did not take much, just a few whacks upside the head repeatedly with a cinder block.

716 Dustyvet  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:03:59pm

re: #712 Erik The Red

Night Ford

Nighters Erik...

717 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:04:09pm

re: #685 brookly red

seeesh, talk about intolerance...

well,it was actually a little joke, but....sheesh.

718 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:04:14pm
719 albusteve  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:04:27pm

re: #704 CapeCoddah

OK Steve, You win. DV and I need to pay attention!

naw...different blog zones....never assume a good story has already been posted...most people won't surf 3000k posts to find out...it's all good

720 CapeCoddah  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:04:28pm

re: #700 HelloDare

The smokestack is a giant cigarette.

Ruderless, right?

721 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:04:52pm

re: #672 hazzyday

Now would be the time for China to push on Taiwan. I'm perceiving Obama as weak and unprepared. Although we could probably ask Great Britain for some help if we needed it.

Sell'em Taiwan for 5 trillion bucks.

722 Kragar  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:05:31pm

re: #720 CapeCoddah

Ruderless, right?

Ballast is set so it leans to port

723 HelloDare  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:05:32pm

re: #720 CapeCoddah

Ruderless, right?

And pilotless.

724 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:05:36pm

re: #687 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Smart, Ford UAW, Smart.

The prospect of NO pay because of unemployment sure made some people rethink their priorities.

725 Kenneth  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:05:51pm

re: #695 Iron Fist

I think Avanti said no president would go to war over this issue, and he's right. Bush didn't go to war with the Chinese over the plane incident in the first months of his admin and neither should Obama over this. But Obama will have to respond appropriately. The Chinese are running a "stimulus and response" test of the Obama admin to delicate military/diplomatic incident.

My guess is Obama will fail the test as he's so busy and overwhelmed it's starting to cut into his workout schedule.

726 HelloDare  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:06:20pm

U.S. stocks finish lower; Nasdaq leads the decline, down nearly 2%

727 albusteve  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:06:21pm

re: #722 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ballast is set so it leans to port

clever

728 tackle  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:06:55pm

re: #365 debutaunt

Damn! I only have an empty box of cookies.

Got 2 dozen extra boxes here. (Daughter is a Brownie). If you can get your hands on a box, try a thin mint shake.

729 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:06:56pm

re: #698 Kenneth

The guy who made the video has been doing this for a while: walking up to and asking rather blunt questions of the corrupt politicians in Washington. Unlike Moore, he did not edit together a string of unrelated clips and scenes to make up some point.

No. He just completely removed the bit prior to what's shown. Without seeing what provoked the alderman into such action, I'm inclined to consider the possibility that we're seeing a severe distortion of reality here.

All it would take to decide is a quick look at the beginning of the tape. It's absence is extremely suspicious.

730 CapeCoddah  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:07:45pm

re: #722 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ballast is set so it leans to port

Unfortunately, the ship will founder with all that deadweight

731 jcm  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:08:03pm

re: #720 CapeCoddah

Ruderless, right?

Nope, jammed hard left.

732 hazzyday  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:08:32pm

re: #160 vxbush

Yeah, it's more that I'm super sensitive to being allergic, but I do much better when I don't eat wheat. Much, much better. To the point where I have fewer migraines as just one of the benefits.

For a lot of allergies due to over use liver cleansing will lessen the effects.

Sandra Cabot MD out of Austrailia had a book on this.

733 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:09:08pm

Zero starting to reveal his true colours? I had never heard of Chas Freeman but this article puts him in my "not nice people" book

734 HelloDare  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:09:09pm

re: #720 CapeCoddah

Ruderless, right?

The figurehead at the prow of the ship is the bust of a unicorn.

735 bulwrk  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:09:13pm

re: #708 kansas

USS Affirmative Action Where none of the crew are qualified.

The navy is hesitant to deploy the ship because it keeps getting lost and repeatedly needs to stop for directions.

736 albusteve  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:09:17pm

re: #731 jcm

Nope, jammed hard left.

will the Circle be unbroken?....bye and bye

737 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:09:18pm

re: #730 CapeCoddah

Unfortunately, the ship will founder with all that deadweight

Capsize is more like it since the pumps have been set to counter-flood port side.

738 CapeCoddah  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:09:19pm

re: #731 jcm

Nope, jammed hard left.

And that means an endless circle.......

739 CapeCoddah  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:10:35pm

re: #737 FurryOldGuyJeans

Capsize is more like it since the pumps have been set to counter-flood port side.

Counter flood the STARBOARD (right) side... focus, FOGJ//!

740 Nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:10:40pm

re: #733 A Kiwi Infidel

Zero starting to reveal his true colours? I had never heard of Chas Freeman but this article puts him in my "not nice people" book

Anyone paying attention already knew

741 brookly red  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:10:42pm

re: #717 SasquatchOnSteroids

well,it was actually a little joke, but....sheesh.

/chihuahua toten thug.

742 jcm  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:10:43pm

re: #738 CapeCoddah

And that means an endless circle.......

Circling the drain.......

743 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:11:34pm

re: #731 jcm

Nope, jammed hard left.

With the engines thrown emergency full reverse to "correct" the previous course the last 8 years.

744 Dustyvet  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:11:50pm

re: #742 jcm

Circling the drain.......

Scrubbing bubbles, scrubbing bubbles...woo hoo...!


/s

745 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:12:00pm

Does anyone remember the bun dough poppy seed hamantashen?
I haven't seen them for many years.
They were my favourites when I was a kid growing up in Toronto.

746 kansas  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:12:24pm

re: #735 bulwrk

The navy is hesitant to deploy the ship because it keeps getting lost and repeatedly needs to stop for directions.

And the crew gets too tired.

747 CapeCoddah  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:12:42pm

re: #743 FurryOldGuyJeans

With the engines thrown emergency full reverse to "correct" the previous course the last 8 years.

This is the O' navy. One engine full ahead, one engine full reverse. No one knows what the hell they are doing. It is gonna tear the ship in two.

748 Steve  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:12:45pm

re: #649 SasquatchOnSteroids

Ooh,I think we have a couple of Jehovah Witness' people walking down the street.
I have a chihuahua, and I'm not afraid to use him.

Invite them in to salute the flag, say the pledge of allegiance and have a beer. You will not be bothered again.

749 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:12:47pm

re: #739 CapeCoddah

Counter flood the STARBOARD (right) side... focus, FOGJ//!

I know that is what is SUPPOSED to be done, but with this administration it would be flooding the port side with a marked list to port already,

750 J.D.  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:12:49pm
LETTER FROM THE BOSS.....

Dear Employee:

As the CEO of this organization, I have resigned myself to the fact
that Barrack Obama is our President and that our taxes and government
fees will increase in a BIG way. To compensate for these increases, our
prices would have to increase by about 10%.

But since we cannot increase our prices right now due to the dismal
state of the economy, we will have to lay off six of our employees
instead. This has really been bothering me, since I believe we are
family here and I didn't know how to choose who would have to go.

So, this is what I did. I walked through our parking lot and found six
'Obama' bumper stickers on our employees' cars and have decided these
folks will be the ones to let go. I can't think of a more fair way to
approach this problem. They voted for change, I gave it to them.
I will see the rest of you at the annual company picnic.

Signed,
The Boss

751 Kenneth  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:13:01pm

re: #729 SixDegrees

You should watch the video again:

Mattera walks up to Rangle, introduces himself, get a smiling greeting from Rangle, then he asks Rangle about the Cadillac and the tax issue. Rangle tells him "Why don't you mind your g-ddamn business!" I saw no break in the video.

Where's the jump edit you're talking about?

752 HelloDare  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:13:14pm

re: #720 CapeCoddah

Ruderless, right?

Hidden below deck is Wright, Ayers and who knows what other refuse.

753 kansas  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:13:37pm

re: #747 CapeCoddah

This is the O' navy. One engine full ahead, one engine full reverse. No one knows what the hell they are doing. It is gonna tear the ship in two.

That's OK. They'll blame it on Rush Limbaugh. The Bush excuse wore out.

754 Dustyvet  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:13:54pm

re: #752 HelloDare

Hidden below deck is Wright, Ayers and who knows what other refuse.

Oh Bilge Rats!

/S

755 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:14:17pm

re: #748 Steve

Invite them in to salute the flag, say the pledge of allegiance and have a beer. You will not be bothered again.

You could also try asking them for a blood transfusion.

756 CapeCoddah  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:14:41pm

re: #745 Spare O'Lake

Does anyone remember the bun dough poppy seed hamantashen?
I haven't seen them for many years.
They were my favourites when I was a kid growing up in Toronto.

Recipe:
[Link: recipes.recipeland.com...]

757 jjmckay1216  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:14:46pm

re: #750 J.D.

awesome!

758 Kenneth  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:14:52pm

re: #745 Spare O'Lake

You can still get them here: the Harbord Bakery

759 jcm  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:15:01pm

re: #748 Steve

Invite them in to salute the flag, say the pledge of allegiance and have a beer. You will not be bothered again.

Put a bunch of guns on the table for cleaning...

760 kansas  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:15:48pm

re: #729 SixDegrees

No. He just completely removed the bit prior to what's shown. Without seeing what provoked the alderman into such action, I'm inclined to consider the possibility that we're seeing a severe distortion of reality here.

All it would take to decide is a quick look at the beginning of the tape. It's absence is extremely suspicious.

Don't you question the timing? I know I do.//

761 albusteve  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:16:17pm

re: #749 FurryOldGuyJeans

I know that is what is SUPPOSED to be done, but with this administration it would be flooding the port side with a marked list to port already,

like the Three Stooges where they drill a hole in the hull to drain the water in the boat....

762 Steve  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:17:05pm

re: #660 Creeping Eruption

Saw a movie referencing Glazer Safety Slugs. Those still available/legal? I know black talons aren't (at least not here)

Winchester redesigned them and gave them a different name. I believe it is now called SXT.

Found this on Wiki:
Winchester bowed to pressure and in 1993 removed the ammunition from public sale for a time,[12] and eventually law enforcement also bowed to the pressure, but at no time was it, nor is it presently, illegal to possess the Black Talon ammunition.

763 hazzyday  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:17:32pm

re: #695 Iron Fist

And they are learning that. "World class pussy" is how I termed it. But Avanti said that no president would answer the challenge, and he's flat wrong about that. We've even talked about it earlier (on this thread? I'm rushed. I have a funeral I'm going to, so I've got to leave). Kadaffy Duck and his "Line of Death". Metal Church even wrote a song about it. Cross over the line...

I don't think Pres Obama has any decision lines close to any major powers. Reset is his motto. He wants to start everything over from scratch. His decision lines will probably be the Clooney line in Darfur, The Pitt line in Louisiana, the Penn line in Venezuela, the Hayek line in Mexico. With the latter being the most productive.

764 albusteve  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:17:33pm

re: #751 Kenneth

You should watch the video again:

Mattera walks up to Rangle, introduces himself, get a smiling greeting from Rangle, then he asks Rangle about the Cadillac and the tax issue. Rangle tells him "Why don't you mind your g-ddamn business!" I saw no break in the video.

Where's the jump edit you're talking about?

there was none....it's legit

765 Steve  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:18:26pm

re: #759 jcm

Put a bunch of guns on the table for cleaning...

Oh, thanks, I did not think of that one.

766 Unakite  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:18:26pm

re: #596 subsailor68

This is kind of a fun link if ya like Iowa class:

Iowa Class (BB-61 through BB-66), 1940 & 1941 Building Programs

The Wisconsin is here in Norfolk, VA. Just took my 80-year-old mother on it a couple weekends ago.

767 J.D.  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:18:58pm

re: #757 jjmckay1216

awesome!

Change we can believe in!

768 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:19:38pm

The One idolizes Lincoln, right? I would like to ask him:

Do you believe this country is the last best hope of earth?

Do you believe we will achieve this by adopting the failed policies of the old world, or by continuing on the path that the geniuses who founded this country laid out for us?

769 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:19:44pm

re: #748 Steve

Invite them in to salute the flag, say the pledge of allegiance and have a beer. You will not be bothered again.

And birthday cake.

770 CapeCoddah  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:20:08pm

re: #760 kansas

Don't you question the timing? I know I do.//

There is no excuse for the Alderman putting his hands on the man. Those offices are supposed to be open to the public. If the Alderman had a problem, he should have called the police to deal with it. He just sealed his own fate. One does NOT tell ones constituents to "Get the fuck out" after physically removing the constituent from an office.

771 turn  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:20:19pm

re: #759 jcm

Put a bunch of guns on the table for cleaning...

Invite them to a celebration or any party for that matter. I had a coworker Daryl who was a devout JW. Daryl is now Jennifer, and thankfully no longer with the company. Wierd stuff.

772 Dustyvet  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:20:24pm

re: #764 albusteve

there was none....it's legit

He's whining about the one I posted regarding the Chicago Voter being assaulted...

773 brookly red  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:20:37pm

re: #753 kansas

That's OK. They'll blame it on Rush Limbaugh. The Bush excuse wore out.

Rush is the new Bush, that is actually pretty freakin brilliant... upding!

774 albusteve  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:21:13pm

re: #772 Dustyvet

He's whining about the one I posted regarding the Chicago Voter being assaulted...

I missed it then....

775 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:21:44pm

re: #751 Kenneth

You should watch the video again:

Mattera walks up to Rangle, introduces himself, get a smiling greeting from Rangle, then he asks Rangle about the Cadillac and the tax issue. Rangle tells him "Why don't you mind your g-ddamn business!" I saw no break in the video.

Where's the jump edit you're talking about?

I'm not talking about the Rangle video. I'm talking about the one featuring the Chicago alderman.

I don't have a problem with the one showing Rangle. It suits him perfectly, and is entirely believable.

776 Sarita  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:21:50pm

re: #750 J.D.

VERY GOOD!

777 capitalist piglet  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:21:58pm

re: #117 LGoPs

Under Obama, the ships will be armed with strong rhetoric. A new class of warship starting with:
U.S.S Rhetoric
U.S.S. Harsh Language
U.S.S. Furrowed Brow

When will we greet the U.S.S. Hope, and the U.S.S. Change?

I'm only half kidding.

778 CapeCoddah  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:22:45pm

re: #773 brookly red

Rush is the new Bush, that is actually pretty freakin brilliant... upding!

And it is easy for libs to do, they only have to change the first letter of the name from B to R,, even that might strain the collective dem brainpower.

779 Dustyvet  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:23:17pm

re: #774 albusteve

I missed it then....


Another unhinged Democrat to taxpayer: “Get the f**k out of my office!”

Chicago Ald Munoz attacks voter in his office, omg


Youtube Video
780 Steve  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:23:17pm

re: #753 kansas

That's OK. They'll blame it on Rush Limbaugh. The Bush excuse wore out.

re: #773 brookly red

Rush is the new Bush, that is actually pretty freakin brilliant... upding!

Yeah but they are going to get a completely different response from Rush.

781 Buck  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:24:02pm

re: #764 albusteve

there was none....it's legit

The video I see is about Chicago Ald Munoz...

And it seems to start in the middle...

782 brookly red  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:24:30pm

re: #750 J.D.

My hat is off to you Sir!

783 Kenneth  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:24:36pm

re: #775 SixDegrees

Ah... my bad. I just went up and checked the other video. I would agree with you then, if you're going to make that kind of video, show the whole thing. Otherwise, we don't know what really happened.

784 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:27:02pm

re: #779 Dustyvet

Another unhinged Democrat to taxpayer: “Get the f**k out of my office!”

Chicago Ald Munoz attacks voter in his office, omg

[Video]

I'll say it again - the editing of this clip is very suspicious. Without seeing what was done to provoke Munoz, I can't draw any conclusions. If his reaction was in response to a simple, reasonable question, then he's got issues, big time; if the "victim" walked into his office and took a dump on the floor just prior to the film clip, the reaction would be a lot more reasonable, even restrained.

I'd like to see the whole tape.

785 Rexatosis  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:27:39pm

Back in the day this "provocation" by the Chinese would be met with a sail-by conducted by a US Battleship (want to sink it you're going to have to use a small nuke). Unfortunately our Navy has been whittled down from 600 ships to less than 300 in the last twenty-years and we are seeing many nations become more aggressive towards us (China for example) and portions of the world's chaos impact the sea lanes (piracy off of Somalia). Just two Battleships and support vessels (one Atlantic base/one Pacific base) would put an end to alot of this nonsense (How long does one think a pirate base of operations would last under fire from the guns of the old USS Missouri? How much crap does one think Iran would be giving the West if they knew the US Navy could park two Battleships off their coast and pound them day in and day out with a 26 mile range for naval artillery?) Our Navy keeps us safe and polices the world's seas, does anyone really want the Chinese or Russians filling that void?

RE# 238 Kenneth:

Sean Penn is an ass. The Chavez gov't is capricous and cruel. Had a Venezuelan apply to the school I work at, excellent application, got accepted, the Chavez gov't decided that individual could not come to the states, no reason given. Been in the business for over a decade never had any type of problem like this from anywhere South of the US border except from Venezuela (Cuba is not part of this equation). Poor kid was crushed but knew better than to question.

RE# 447 Ford-Prefect

Connecticut is trying to impose Congregational style governance upon the Catholic Church.

786 J.D.  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:28:53pm

re: #776 Sarita

VERY GOOD!

I sent it to my employee who voted for Obama. I imagine if he has an Obama bumper sticker, he'll soon get it off! LOL!

787 brookly red  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:29:28pm

re: #778 CapeCoddah

And it is easy for libs to do, they only have to change the first letter of the name from B to R,, even that might strain the collective dem brainpower.

/Sigh. Unfortunately, with the state of our educational system children will probably be taught of one supreme evil entity named Brush...

788 Steve  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:29:38pm

re: #750 J.D.

Had to upding for that. LOL

789 hazzyday  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:29:43pm

The MSM might be willing to wash over the defects of the Obama administration. The Obama adminstration might laugh about it. But every single foreign nation with an unrealized national interest is measuring Pres. Obama out. The MSM does Pres. Obama no favors not to put him under any pressure.

790 J.D.  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:30:04pm

re: #782 brookly red

My hat is off to you Sir!

Thanks!

791 brookly red  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:32:36pm

re: #785 Rexatosis

Earlier on I lamented the loss of the Iowa class ships... there are still 4 in mothballs I am told.

792 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:33:27pm

re: #756 CapeCoddah

Thanks!

793 imtoast  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:33:48pm

re: #645 Russkilitlover

I believe that was "Death is only the beginning."

Sorry, did I spell Imotep right?

794 Cato  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:33:54pm

Who are the Chinese to think they can test The One? He was President of the Harvard Law Review!

/

795 hazzyday  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:34:39pm

re: #770 CapeCoddah

There is no excuse for the Alderman putting his hands on the man. Those offices are supposed to be open to the public. If the Alderman had a problem, he should have called the police to deal with it. He just sealed his own fate. One does NOT tell ones constituents to "Get the fuck out" after physically removing the constituent from an office.

There are a lot of "constituents" that are just activist jerks. I don't care if the Alderman picked him up and threw him out on his ass if that was the case. Tape requires more evidence.

1. One is this Alderman known for being a Chicago machine politician?
2. Who is this constituent? What organization does he belong.

If he was just your average Joe trying to step up into local politics and got over excited, the Alderman needed to handel him more carefully. Politics is always going to frustrate someone just starting out in it.

796 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:35:17pm

re: #377 CLLRusso

AND THE SWIRLING CIRCLES OF GOING NOWHERE HAVE RETURNED TECH GUYS. JUST WHAT IS WRONG WITH MY COMPUTER?

Too much yelling.

797 J.D.  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:35:29pm

re: #788 Steve

Had to upding for that. LOL

Thanks!

798 restitutor orbis  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:35:35pm

it was a tactical victory by the Chinese, since they got the ship to leave the area....thats something we can live with..we can always come back, and we may have learned about as much of their operating procedures as the did of ours......

Now the real test is up to Obambi...will he continue the deployments, or halt these important ops in an attempt to get the Chinee to unclench?

799 brookly red  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:36:05pm

re: #780 Steve

Yeah but they are going to get a completely different response from Rush.

And THAT is a good thing!

800 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:37:17pm

re: #758 Kenneth

Thanks. I am on my way.

801 Steve  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:37:38pm

re: #799 brookly red

And THAT is a good thing!

Yeah, Rush will not be quiet about it.

802 Steve  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:43:44pm

Just had a friend send me this. If this is the state of Chinese repairs, I will not worry to much about their military.

Chinese repair job.

803 Rexatosis  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:49:28pm

RE: 791 Brookly red

They are, I believe off the top of my head, plans to turn the remaining "mothballed" Iowa Class ships into museums (like the USS Alabama or USS Massachusetts). The problem with this is that it is nearly impossible to bring such a converted ship back onto the line if needed (the guns are effectively "spiked"). Better to leave the a couple in mothballs and refit them if needed than convert them all (but foresight is not Congress' strong suit).

804 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 1:54:08pm

re: #770 CapeCoddah

There is no excuse for the Alderman putting his hands on the man. Those offices are supposed to be open to the public. If the Alderman had a problem, he should have called the police to deal with it. He just sealed his own fate. One does NOT tell ones constituents to "Get the fuck out" after physically removing the constituent from an office.

Unfortunately, I can think of lots of excuses. Without seeing the behavior that led up to the depicted incident, it's impossible to say whether the alderman's actions were justified.

Another hint: I can't find anything about the alderman being charged with assault or battery, which would surely be prosecutable offenses in a case as shown - unless there were other circumstances that mitigated what we saw.

Let's see the whole tape.

805 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 2:12:47pm

re: #802 Steve

Just had a friend send me this. If this is the state of Chinese repairs, I will not worry to much about their military.

Chinese repair job.

If you really want to get worried, realize a lot of commercial aircraft maintenance is outsourced to China.
You might be safer on the short-range aircraft that aren't economical to get to China and get their maintenance in the US.

806 rawmuse  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 2:15:34pm

re: #502 CIA Reject

*wipes coffee off monitor*

SCREW YOU I'M WORKIN' FOR MEL BROOKS!

:-)

I love that bit, because I actually have worked for Mr. Brooks in my time.

807 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 2:19:57pm

re: #680 venezuela lover

Maria Conchita Alonso is a Venezuelan babe who knows very up close and personal many many powerful people in high places. She knows what she is saying.

And she was smoking hot in The Running Man, especially in that Adidas spandex suit....

808 Marvo76  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 2:22:25pm

re: #43 outsidephilly

Seems the US is getting lots of little pokes here, and little pokes there. I wonder what 44 thinks about this.......

I think it might have to do with all the "pricks" we now have in charge...

809 aggieann  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 2:32:38pm

Another letter similar to the one posted above:

To All My Valued Employees,

There have been some rumblings around the office about the future of this company, and more specifically, your job. As you know, the economy has changed for the worse and presents many challenges. However, the good news is this: The economy doesn't pose a threat to your job. What does threaten your job however, is the changing political landscape in this country.

However, let me tell you some little tidbits of fact which might help you decide what is in your best interests.

First, while it is easy to spew rhetoric that casts employers against employees, you have to understand that for every business owner there is a Back Story. This back story is often neglected and overshadowed by what you see and hear. Sure, you see me park my Mercedes outside. You've seen my big home at last years Christmas party. I'm sure; all these flashy icons of luxury conjure up some idealized thoughts about my life.

However, what you don't see is the BACK STORY :

I started this company 28 years ago. At that time, I lived in a 300 square foot studio apartment for 3 years. My entire living apartment was converted into an office so I could put forth 100% effort into building a company, which by the way, would eventually employ you.

My diet consisted of Ramen Pride noodles because every dollar I spent went back into this company. I drove a rusty Toyota Corolla with a defective transmission. I didn't have time to date. Often times, I stayed home on weekends, while my friends went out drinking and partying. In fact, I was married to my business -- hard work, discipline, and sacrifice.

Meanwhile, my friends got jobs. They worked 40 hours a week and made a modest $50K a year and spent every dime they earned. They drove flashy cars and lived in expensive homes and wore fancy designer clothes. Instead of hitting the Nordstrom's for the latest hot fashion item, I was trolling through the discount store extracting any clothing item that didn't look like it was birthed in the 70's. My friends refinanced their mortgages and lived a life of luxury. I, however, did not. I put my time, my money, and my life into a business with a vision that eventually, someday, I too, will be able to afford these luxuries my friends supposedly had.

So, while you physically arrive at the office at 9am, mentally check in at about noon, and then leave at 5pm, I don't. There is no "off" button for me. When you leave the office, you are done and you have a weekend all to yourself. I unfortunately do not have the freedom. I eat, and breathe this company every minute of the day. There is no rest. There is no weekend. There is no happy hour. Every day this business is attached to my hip like a 1 year old special-needs child. You, of course, only see the fruits of that garden -- the nice house, the Mercedes, the vacations... you never realize the Back Story and the sacrifices I've made.

Now, the economy is falling apart and I, the guy that made all the right decisions and saved his money, have to bailout all the people who didn't. The people that overspent their paychecks suddenly feel entitled to the same luxuries that I earned and sacrificed a decade of my life for.

Yes, business ownership has is benefits but the price I've paid is steep and not without wounds.

Unfortunately, the cost of running this business, and employing you, is starting to eclipse the threshold of marginal benefit and let me tell you why:

I am being taxed to death and the government thinks I don't pay enough. I have state taxes. Federal taxes. Property taxes. Sales and use taxes. Payroll taxes. Workers compensation taxes. Unemployment taxes. Taxes on taxes. I have to hire a tax man to manage all these taxes and then guess what? I have to pay taxes for employing him. Government mandates and regulations and all the accounting that goes with it, now occupy most of my time. On Oct 15th, I wrote a check to the US Treasury for $288,000 for quarterly taxes. You know what my "stimulus" check was? Zero. Nada. Zilch.

810 aggieann  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 2:32:46pm

The question I have is this: Who is stimulating the economy? Me, the guy who has provided 14 people good paying jobs and serves over 2,200,000 people per year with a flourishing business? Or, the single mother sitting at home pregnant with her fourth child waiting for her next welfare check? Obviously, government feels the latter is the economic stimulus of this country.

The fact is, if I deducted (Read: Stole) 50% of your paycheck you'd quit and you wouldn't work here. I mean, why should you? That's nuts. Who wants to get rewarded only 50% of their hard work? Well, I agree which is why your job is in jeopardy.

Here is what many of you don't understand ... to stimulate the economy you need to stimulate what runs the economy. Had suddenly government mandated to me that I didn't need to pay taxes, guess what? Instead of depositing that $288,000 into the Washington black-hole, I would have spent it, hired more employees, and generated substantial economic growth. My employees would have enjoyed the wealth of that tax cut in the form of promotions and better salaries. But you can forget it now.

When you have a comatose man on the verge of death, you don't defibrillate and shock his thumb thinking that will bring him back to life, do you? Or, do you defibrillate his heart? Business is at the heart of America and always has been. To restart it, you must stimulate it, not kill it. Suddenly, the power brokers in Washington believe the poor of America are the essential drivers of the American economic engine. Nothing could be further from the truth and this is the type of change you can keep.

So where am I going with all this?

It's quite simple.

If any new taxes are levied on me, or my company, my reaction will be swift and simple. I'll fire you and your coworkers. You can then plead with the government to pay for your mortgage, your SUV, and your child's future. Frankly, it isn't my problem any more.

Then, I will close this company down, move to another country, and retire. You see, I'm done. I'm done with a country that penalizes the productive and gives to the unproductive. My motivation to work and to provide jobs will be destroyed, and with it, will be my citizenship.

So, if you lose your job, it won't be at the hands of the economy; it will be at the hands of a political hurricane that swept through this country, steamrolled the constitution, and will have changed its landscape forever. If that happens, you can find me sitting on a beach, retired, and with no employees to worry about....

Signed, THE BOSS

811 Noam Chumpski  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 2:36:05pm

It's been written before, but I don't know if it can be said enough times: What?

Chinese crew members stripped to their underwear and continued closing within 25 feet

812 JamesS  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 2:52:27pm

Why won't they just unclench their fists and let the President eat his waffles in peace? Please? Pretty please?

*sigh*

I guess we can't be too cruel about Clinton's botched "reset" button - after all, tens of millions of Americans pushed a button they thought was "reset" without knowing until too late that it actually said "retard".

813 abolitionist  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 2:54:27pm
The USNS Impeccable sprayed one ship with water from fire hoses to force it away.

re: #97 abaleh

From your link, In short, this vessel is used by the military to track submarines, and is the quietest vessel the government operates, outside of submarines themselves.

So perhaps the fire hoses served another purpose.

814 syndicate  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 3:11:51pm

The Chinese stripped to their underwear?

I don't think was a "violent" hostile maneuver at all. It's clearly obvious that the Chinese sailors must have been at sea for a while and we looking for some American "seamen".

815 Kulhwch  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 3:20:34pm

For those that can't afford armament during these troubling economic times (and this goes double for those harrassed by pirates or who aren't allowed the funding for ammo by their POTUS):

Consider the trebuchet ...

It's a time-honored and tested weapon that, combined with a ballast of stones/boulders, can be set up on the flat platform of any oil ship, etc.  And it sinks small vessels very well, if you can hit them.  Half a dozen on the platform of an oil tanker (or an aircraft carrier with no more jet fuel, or any wide stable floating platform) will keep pirates busy dodging, etc.  Particulars can be found here, here, or especially here...

If the economy tanks and with the scarcity of oil our navy ends up doing the Mad Max/Waterworld thing, this info will be invaluable.

}:)     [It seems we'll have to sink a few to make the others step back ... ]

816 Dustyvet  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 3:25:28pm

re: #804 SixDegrees

Unfortunately, I can think of lots of excuses. Without seeing the behavior that led up to the depicted incident, it's impossible to say whether the alderman's actions were justified.

Another hint: I can't find anything about the alderman being charged with assault or battery, which would surely be prosecutable offenses in a case as shown - unless there were other circumstances that mitigated what we saw.

Let's see the whole tape.

Let the bastard call Security, I live in Illinois and no elected putz will ever put his slimly paws on me.

817 rumcrook  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 3:30:57pm

well at least they waited thier turn.

I hate it when people dont know how to wait thier turn.

very polite of the chinese to wait thier turn.

818 fuseman  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 3:33:37pm

re: #814 syndicate
good point. and i think the correct response would have been to drop rose petals in the water.

819 Bitterroot  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 3:40:46pm

I had an old Navy instructor who told us of a terrible "microwave equipment accident" they experienced when they were blockaded - I don't recall the details of when or where. What I do recall is his description of how their microwave transmitter dish swept the deck of one of the boats as they were challenged. As they came about, the active beam of the energized equipment caught many of the crew of the blockading boat by great surprise, causing them to drop to the deck, writhing in agony as they were essentially "cooked" where they stood.

"Oops. So sorry." ;op

820 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 5:24:10pm

re: #809 aggieann

agieann -

It is SO True - AND - the owner violated a "RULE" taught to me by my Depression Era Parents. If you run a business, Never let your employees be so close as to know your exact living standards. If you can afford a Benz, BMW, or Porsche - let them see you driving a Pontiac, a Buick, a Chrysler or a Mercury. Tends to keep COVETOUSNESS to a minimum. Basic maxim is - DON'T PISS OFF THE TROOPS, your survival - and theirs - DEPENDS ON IT. That is all.

-S-

821 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 5:31:44pm

re: #820 Dr. Shalit

Reply to Self -

Remember especially the father of a "next friend." Wealthy man, Millionaire, actually, lived in a somewhat larger than average "Ranch Home" with a double garage.
His extravagance was a Lincoln Mk III. His REAL wealth was elsewhere.

-S-

822 wiffersnapper  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 5:35:37pm

re: #652 WriterMom

:(

823 Obsidiandog  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 6:21:31pm

This looks like a job for "Ma Deuce".

824 Macker  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 8:08:23pm

re: #117 LGoPs

Under Obama, the ships will be armed with strong rhetoric. A new class of warship starting with:
U.S.S Rhetoric
U.S.S. Harsh Language
U.S.S. Furrowed Brow

You forgot:
U.S.S. Unclenched Fist

825 Ateam  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 8:24:04pm

re: #810 aggieann

The question I have is this: Who is stimulating the economy? Me, the guy who has provided 14 people good paying jobs and serves over 2,200,000 people per year with a flourishing business? Or, the single mother sitting at home pregnant with her fourth child waiting for her next welfare check? Obviously, government feels the latter is the economic stimulus of this country.

The fact is, if I deducted (Read: Stole) 50% of your paycheck you'd quit and you wouldn't work here. I mean, why should you? That's nuts. Who wants to get rewarded only 50% of their hard work? Well, I agree which is why your job is in jeopardy.

Here is what many of you don't understand ... to stimulate the economy you need to stimulate what runs the economy. Had suddenly government mandated to me that I didn't need to pay taxes, guess what? Instead of depositing that $288,000 into the Washington black-hole, I would have spent it, hired more employees, and generated substantial economic growth. My employees would have enjoyed the wealth of that tax cut in the form of promotions and better salaries. But you can forget it now.

When you have a comatose man on the verge of death, you don't defibrillate and shock his thumb thinking that will bring him back to life, do you? Or, do you defibrillate his heart? Business is at the heart of America and always has been. To restart it, you must stimulate it, not kill it. Suddenly, the power brokers in Washington believe the poor of America are the essential drivers of the American economic engine. Nothing could be further from the truth and this is the type of change you can keep.

So where am I going with all this?

It's quite simple.

If any new taxes are levied on me, or my company, my reaction will be swift and simple. I'll fire you and your coworkers. You can then plead with the government to pay for your mortgage, your SUV, and your child's future. Frankly, it isn't my problem any more.

Then, I will close this company down, move to another country, and retire. You see, I'm done. I'm done with a country that penalizes the productive and gives to the unproductive. My motivation to work and to provide jobs will be destroyed, and with it, will be my citizenship.

So, if you lose your job, it won't be at the hands of the economy; it will be at the hands of a political hurricane that swept through this country, steamrolled the constitution, and will have changed its landscape forever. If that happens, you can find me sitting on a beach, retired, and with no employees to worry about....

Signed, THE BOSS

I agree fool. We hired 280 people. We r making a good some of money yearly.

826 Ateam  Mon, Mar 9, 2009 8:36:38pm

sume?
sorry, English is not my lingo.

827 Tricky Dick  Tue, Mar 10, 2009 10:50:14am

I did a lot of work on the design of this vessel when I was a piping designer at Halter Marine in Gulfport, MS. Absolutely the ugliest vessel in the U.S. Navy.


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