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1 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:10:10pm

Comment early and often. It's the Chicago Way!

2 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:10:11pm

It's a dog eat dog world out there.

3 Syrah  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:10:38pm

Gravity always works, especially at the most inconvenient times.

4 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:11:36pm

The early bird catches the worm, which is why one should sleep in.

5 srb1976  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:12:20pm

re: #4 Sharmuta

The early bird catches the worm, which is why one should sleep in.

The early bird may get the worm, but the SECOND mouse gets the cheese

6 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:13:10pm

Somebody told me how frightening it was how much topsoil we are losing each year, but I told that story around the campfire and nobody got scared.

-- Jack Handey

7 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:14:07pm
8 freetoken  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:14:40pm
Human judges can show mercy.

Not where there are "three strikes" laws.

But against the laws of nature, there is no appeal.

Obviously Arthur never watched the SciFi (SyFy) channel!

9 srb1976  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:15:34pm

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

Jeff agrees with you.

My cat leaves one of those on my doorstep nearly every morning... but she leaves me the head end....I think it's some sort of tribute....or kitty style rent payment....I don't know

10 srb1976  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:16:32pm

Also, when putting the child to bed, it's important to turn the night light on BEFORE you turn the tv off (wooden chairs are not kind to shins)

11 Jack Burton  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:17:01pm

re: #8 freetoken

Obviously Arthur never watched the SciFi (SyFy) channel!

I find this name change from SciFi to SyFy... disturbing.

12 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:17:16pm

COLUMBIA TENURES AN ISRAEL-BASHER: [Link: www.nypost.com...] Knock me over with a feather

13 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:20:01pm

re: #5 srb1976

The early bird may get the worm, but the SECOND mouse gets the cheese

Jeff agrees with you.

Correction made. PIMF

14 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:20:34pm

re: #11 ArchangelMichael

I find this name change from SciFi to SyFy... disturbing.

It shows they are catering to a new demographics, the moron demographic.

15 redc1c4  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:22:27pm

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

Jeff agrees with you.

i just zapped a rat.....

and got a soul chicken earlier today.

%-)

16 Jack Burton  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:23:08pm

re: #14 FurryOldGuyJeans

It shows they are catering to a new demographics, the moron demographic.

They have been flirting with that demographic for years, I guess it's just official now.

17 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:24:10pm

re: #15 redc1c4

i just zapped a rat.....

and got a soul chicken earlier today.

%-)

What's a soul chicken?

18 mrshankly01  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:24:43pm

re: #16 ArchangelMichael

I love The Moron Demographic. I have all their albums...

19 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:24:56pm

re: #16 ArchangelMichael

They have been flirting with that demographic for years, I guess it's just official now.

I remember when there were "mini sci-fi movies" substituting for actual sold ads on SciFi. Now I see more ads than actual content.

20 Clemente  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:24:59pm
Human judges can show mercy. But against the laws of nature, there is no appeal.

That's just a theory!

21 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:25:25pm

China opposed to tariff plan in US climate bill

There's a shock. Unless everyone agrees to do this together, there's no point in imposing this on our economy. We'd be paying for China and India to pollute as much as they want. Hopefully the Senate will kill this.

22 Clemente  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:26:16pm

re: #15 redc1c4

i just zapped a rat.....

and got a soul chicken earlier today.

%-)

Quoth the soul chicken?

23 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:26:50pm

Man gets 15th DUI; license suspended 78 times
Jul. 1, 2009 07:15 AM
Associated Press

MORRISTOWN, N.J. - A New Jersey man whose driver's license has been suspended 78 times has pleaded guilty to his 15th drunken-driving offense.

Shaun Campbell of East Rutherford told a judge Tuesday that he had been drinking "quite a bit" of beer when he crashed his SUV head-on into a pickup in April. The truck's occupants, a man and his 4-year-old daughter, were not seriously hurt.

24 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:27:31pm
25 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:27:47pm

re: #21 Sharmuta

China opposed to tariff plan in US climate bill

There's a shock. Unless everyone agrees to do this together, there's no point in imposing this on our economy. We'd be paying for China and India to pollute as much as they want. Hopefully the Senate will kill this.

The Cap and Trade bill has nothing to do with making an impact on the planet's climate, it is all about impacting negatively the US economy.

26 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:28:31pm

re: #24 Iron Fist

I think that is what happened to Battlestar Galactica. The original movie length episode was a masterpiece, and the first two seasons were absolutely killer. Then something changed. I don't know if somebody leaned on them (or who that someone might be), but I quit watching during the third season. I've not seen the closing episodes, but I've gathered I've missed little. It is sad, really.

The same happened to SG-1. Once SciFi got control it went stupid.

27 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:28:45pm

re: #11 ArchangelMichael

I find this name change from SciFi to SyFy... disturbing.

I prefer Psi-Fry.

28 redc1c4  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:29:00pm

re: #17 Dark_Falcon

What's a soul chicken?

crow.....

29 mrshankly01  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:29:34pm

re: #21 Sharmuta

Yea, REP Boehner, as unimpressive as he is, had a great speech about this the other day...

30 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:30:32pm

Syrah- I was considering reading Conflict a second time.

31 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:30:46pm
32 srb1976  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:31:27pm

Need to make more coffee or something (night shift starts tonight)

33 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:31:30pm

re: #28 redc1c4

crow.....

Got it and loves it.

34 Jack Burton  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:32:27pm

re: #19 FurryOldGuyJeans

I remember when there were "mini sci-fi movies" substituting for actual sold ads on SciFi. Now I see more ads than actual content.

And now their original sci-fi movies tend to be only slightly better than Plan 9 from Outer Space.

35 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:32:38pm

The King of Pop is to be a butter statue
Jul. 1, 2009 10:26 AM
Associated Press

DES MOINES, Iowa - It's the King of Pop - in butter.

Iowa State Fair organizers announced Tuesday that they will have a statue of Michael Jackson made of butter. The sculpture will be on display along with the annual butter cow, a popular attraction at the event.

36 freetoken  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:32:39pm

re: #14 FurryOldGuyJeans

It shows they are catering to a new demographics, the moron demographic.

Some scientists have proposed that we humans are losing intelligence (post industrial revolution wealth) of about 1 point of IQ per generation.*

"SyFy" may be evidence that loss is accelerating.

/ * I kid you not.

37 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:32:48pm

re: #28 redc1c4

I've got a flock of over 50 across the street in the park. I'd pay a bounty per head......Just saying!

BTW Verizon DSL is a minute more to load than TimeWarner cable. I'll be a lot quieter this summer. Unless I sneak home ;)

38 Macker  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:33:11pm

re: #8 freetoken

It'll always be Skiffy to me.

39 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:33:41pm

re: #34 ArchangelMichael

And now their original sci-fi movies tend to be only slightly better than Plan 9 from Outer Space.

I've seen a few of the SciFi Original movies, I'll take Plan 9 any time.

40 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:33:41pm

re: #36 freetoken

Some scientists have proposed that we humans are losing intelligence (post industrial revolution wealth) of about 1 point of IQ per generation.*

"SyFy" may be evidence that loss is accelerating.

/ * I kid you not.

It's television's fault. It really is an idiot box.

41 sngnsgt  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:34:08pm

I never knew there was a FOX News Lies website

42 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:34:18pm

re: #34 ArchangelMichael

And now their original sci-fi movies tend to be only slightly better than Plan 9 from Outer Space.

Quite concur. And with that, I'm off to bed. Goodnight, all.

43 mrshankly01  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:34:33pm

re: #42 Dark_Falcon

night DF.

44 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:35:37pm

TV makes people stupid. Need proof?

45 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:36:34pm

re: #44 Sharmuta

TV makes people stupid. Need proof?

404, big time.

46 BignJames  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:37:59pm

re: #32 srb1976

Need to make more coffee or something (night shift starts tonight)

Mine started Mon. night....are you a stationary engineer?

47 Age Of Freedom  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:38:14pm

Regarding the post on Joe the Plumber:

LGF's a whole different site now.

Not that I sympathize with what Joe said here, but months ago everyone was just bowing down to him for standing up for Israel in operation Cast Lead. And justly so.

Seriously, I understand we wanna show we're not tagging along with the republican party for their sharp turn to the right -- and yeah, I've always admired charles for the work he's put to expose the rise of fascists in Europe and their sympathizers (which took me a while to see the latter are essentially as bad as Palestinian sympathizers), and creationism. But this very post is honestly confusing me. Bush said the same thing and the support for him here wasn't low.

See, why not post Wafa Sultan's latest article about Obama's speech in Cairo towards the "Muslim World"? It's nice that we're disassociating from folks that talk to god, but really, is Joe the Plumber's saying so bad it's worth posting over way scarier shit?

Really, what's going on here?

48 Jack Burton  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:38:29pm

re: #24 Iron Fist

I think that is what happened to Battlestar Galactica. The original movie length episode was a masterpiece, and the first two seasons were absolutely killer. Then something changed. I don't know if somebody leaned on them (or who that someone might be), but I quit watching during the third season. I've not seen the closing episodes, but I've gathered I've missed little. It is sad, really.

I actually didn't mind BSG until the last few episodes. That is when it started to lose me. The ending was a train-wreck. I kept tuning in hoping against hope that a good ending would materialize. I was not as irate as I was about the ending of The Sopranos, The Matrix Trilogy, or the Harry Potter books, but I was still quite disappointed.

I think if you are planning on writing a series, have the ending in mind right from the start. If you make shit up as you go, its a recipe for disaster. When you make shit up for 4-5 years, it's next to impossible to straighten it all out at the end.

49 mrshankly01  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:40:02pm

re: #48 ArchangelMichael

smallville, heroes, lost (season 3)...

50 srb1976  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:40:14pm

re: #46 BignJames

Mine started Mon. night....are you a stationary engineer?

Nope, I work in a steel mill...rotating shifts...nights one week days the next

51 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:40:27pm

re: #48 ArchangelMichael

I think if you are planning on writing a series, have the ending in mind right from the start. If you make shit up as you go, its a recipe for disaster. When you make shit up for 4-5 years, it's next to impossible to straighten it all out at the end.

The reason I enjoyed Babylon 5 and despise most of what is foisted off as entertainment on the tube.

52 mrshankly01  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:41:13pm

re: #49 mrshankly01

i will say lost came roaring back after they set their mind to it and cut down the crap shows every season...

53 freetoken  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:41:37pm

re: #47 Age Of Freedom


Really, what's going on here?

Part of the master plan... to take over the world.

/At least, that is what they told me when I signed up.

54 Jack Burton  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:43:15pm

re: #52 mrshankly01

i will say lost came roaring back after they set their mind to it and cut down the crap shows every season...

I never got into Lost back when it started, and it seems far too complex to jump into the middle of, so I'm waiting until it is completed and then I'll borrow the DVDs from someone. That's assuming the ending isn't a train-wreck on that one too.

55 Macker  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:43:32pm

re: #39 FurryOldGuyJeans

I've seen a few of the SciFi Original movies, I'll take Plan 9 any time.

And I've got both the original B&W and colorized versions!

56 Gus  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:43:48pm

Ah, summer. When all the fans are turning. Sounds like a wind tunnel and I think I have enough air pressure to lift a 747-400F.

57 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:44:06pm

re: #55 Macker

And I've got both the original B&W and colorized versions!

You frakkin' HERETIC! Colorized? FIE! ;)

58 Macker  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:44:38pm

re: #48 ArchangelMichael

I'd say Skiffy's beancounters got involved with BSG....

59 mrshankly01  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:44:59pm

re: #54 ArchangelMichael

i won't spoil it for ya.

that is what I do with 24, except at the end of the season, not the series.

60 Macker  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:45:04pm

re: #57 FurryOldGuyJeans

You frakkin' HERETIC! Colorized? FIE! ;)

Couldn't avoid the latter. They are on the same disc!

61 Clemente  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:45:13pm

re: #26 FurryOldGuyJeans

The same happened to SG-1. Once SciFi got control it went stupid.

There's at least one night a week when History Channel runs run Monster Quest opposite SciFi's Ghost Hunters - repeatedly, Might as well watch MTV, Lifetime, MSNBC, etc., or just drink leaded marine paint. Keeps me on AMC & TCM, or off the tube entirely.

62 Macker  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:45:33pm

re: #59 mrshankly01

What I'd like to know is what the hell happened to the nuked city in California....

63 mrshankly01  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:46:24pm

re: #62 Macker

hahaha, yea, i was very surprised they pulled the trigger on that one.

64 BignJames  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:47:32pm

re: #50 srb1976

Nope, I work in a steel mill...rotating shifts...nights one week days the next

Yeah, I work a rotation too.....someone was on the night shift a month or so ago....a se...like me...but I can't remember who....(imagine that)

65 mrshankly01  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:47:47pm

re: #62 Macker

it made season 7 interesting, because I thought they were going to kill so many more innocent people

66 freetoken  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:48:26pm

re: #47 Age Of Freedom

Seriously... one thing that may help some here avoid SFS* is to understand that this blog is owned/run by a musician.

Musicians are noted for their lateral thinking:

"Lateral Thinking is for changing concepts and perceptions instead of trying harder with the same concepts and perceptions". [emph added]

Like surfers... ride the wave...

/* SFS = Sudden Flounce Syndrome

67 redc1c4  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:48:29pm

re: #31 Iron Fist

I'm going to go to bed now, or at least try to. If I don't fall asleep, I'll be back for fruitcup.

Play nice :-)

where's the fun in that?

68 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:48:59pm

re: #61 Clemente

There's at least one night a week when History Channel runs run Monster Quest opposite SciFi's Ghost Hunters - repeatedly, Might as well watch MTV, Lifetime, MSNBC, etc., or just drink leaded marine paint. Keeps me on AMC & TCM, or off the tube entirely.

The latest trend for History Channel to jump on the End Times Doom & Gloom bandwagon just makes me shove a DVD into the new player.

I watch so many DVDs lately.

69 Jack Burton  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:49:25pm

re: #58 Macker

I'd say Skiffy's beancounters got involved with BSG....

That still shouldnt have resulted in a pull-it-out-of-your-ass deus ex machina ending. You don't need billions of dollars to write a decent ending, but when you left a thousand unresolved threads and you have 4 hours to tie them all up, you get deus ex machina (or a sudden black screen in the Sopranos case).

70 srb1976  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:50:40pm

re: #64 BignJames

Yeah, I work a rotation too.....someone was on the night shift a month or so ago....a se...like me...but I can't remember who....(imagine that)

It may have been me (I also don't remember much sometimes) but our schedule shifts by one day every week....pretty cool actually, works out good for me at least until the kids get into school

71 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:50:49pm

Morning/Afternoon/Evening Lizards.

I leave for the airport in 90 minutes. I arrive in Orlando at 14h30 on Friday. Looking forward to being on US soil again. Will miss the smell of Africa tho.
A great song by Johnny Clegg that will be playing on my iPod when I am flying.
Johnny Clegg & Juluka - Scatterlings Of Africa

72 Jack Burton  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:51:27pm

re: #62 Macker

What I'd like to know is what the hell happened to the nuked city in California....

Anyone who was at Six Flags Magic Mountain that day and wasn't wearing Sunblock 5000 had a really bad day.

73 BignJames  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:51:43pm

re: #68 FurryOldGuyJeans

The latest trend for History Channel to jump on the End Times Doom & Gloom bandwagon just makes me shove a DVD into the new player.

I watch so many DVDs lately.


There's an asteroid out there w/your name on it.

74 redc1c4  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:52:07pm

re: #37 Floral Giraffe

I've got a flock of over 50 across the street in the park. I'd pay a bounty per head......Just saying!

BTW Verizon DSL is a minute more to load than TimeWarner cable. I'll be a lot quieter this summer. Unless I sneak home ;)

it's unusual for me to get one.... they usually regard my AO, for good reason, to be a no fly zone, but in the last week or two, they've been brave/dumb.

it may be a new flock, without the institutional memory of the danger in the area..... doesn;t really mater: West Nile will thin them out rather quickly.

75 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:52:15pm

re: #73 BignJames

There's an asteroid out there w/your name on it.

Good.

76 Gus  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:52:37pm

re: #68 FurryOldGuyJeans

The latest trend for History Channel to jump on the End Times Doom & Gloom bandwagon just makes me shove a DVD into the new player.

I watch so many DVDs lately.

Ghosts, goblins, para-psychology and astrology?

77 Jack Burton  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:53:34pm

re: #75 FurryOldGuyJeans

Good.

No not until I either move to the mountains or I learn to fly and purchase a helicopter. A mile high tsunami isn't that easy to get away from otherwise.

78 pink freud  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:53:35pm

re: #71 Erik The Red

You and your family have a safe trip, Erik. Welcome back!

79 mrshankly01  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:53:40pm

re: #73 BignJames

how about the show that describes what will happen to world cities when all the humans disappear. they don't say how they will dissapear, just how the world will crumble.
every episode is like this: grass grows a lot, water back ups, dogs have lots of sex, and buildings fall down. over and over.

80 redc1c4  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:54:26pm

re: #50 srb1976

Nope, I work in a steel mill...rotating shifts...nights one week days the next

there's still a steel mill somewhere in America?

/who knew?

81 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:54:43pm

re: #77 ArchangelMichael

No not until I either move to the mountains or I learn to fly and purchase a helicopter. A mile high tsunami isn't that easy to get away from otherwise.

Like I'm gonna care when I'm flattened by that chunk of space rock? PFFFFFFFFFFT!

82 Gus  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:55:02pm

re: #77 ArchangelMichael

No not until I either move to the mountains or I learn to fly and purchase a helicopter. A mile high tsunami isn't that easy to get away from otherwise.

Too late! Today is 7/2/09 Day!

7+2=9!

/We're all going to die!

//

83 mrshankly01  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:55:21pm

re: #80 redc1c4

there was, until cap and trade.

84 Jack Burton  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:56:22pm

re: #82 Gus 802

Too late! Today is 7/2/09 Day!

7+2=9!

/We're all going to die!

//

OH NOEZ!

Wait, if that's so, who's going to be around to "all die" on 12/21/2012?

85 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:56:23pm

re: #82 Gus 802

Too late! Today is 7/2/09 Day!

7+2=9!

/We're all going to die!

//

You forgot to finish that progression:

9 + 9 = 18

1 + 8 = 9!

Ooooh, spooky! ;)

86 redc1c4  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:57:18pm

re: #68 FurryOldGuyJeans

The latest trend for History Channel to jump on the End Times Doom & Gloom bandwagon just makes me shove a DVD into the new player.

I watch so many DVDs lately.

now that our TV doesn't w*rk, except for cable, we just leave it off more....

/fine by me. %-)

87 Gus  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:57:29pm

re: #85 FurryOldGuyJeans

You forgot to finish that progression:

9 + 9 = 18

1 + 8 = 9!

Ooooh, spooky! ;)

Uh oh! And 9 X 9 = 18 backwards or 81!

//Run for the hills!

88 itellu3times  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:57:38pm

re: #47 Age Of Freedom

I dunno what it is you think you read here on LGF, in Charles' post or in the comments. I'd summarize it as an appreciation for Joe's accute sense of hearing, poetically expressed. Which is roughly how I think the local reaction to Dubya's similar statements would be.

89 srb1976  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:58:23pm

re: #80 redc1c4

there's still a steel mill somewhere in America?

/who knew?

several actually (if dear leader and his congress don't run them all out of business) = )

90 gmsc  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:58:23pm

re: #85 FurryOldGuyJeans

You forgot to finish that progression:

9 + 9 = 18

1 + 8 = 9!

Ooooh, spooky! ;)

This little number was a real big hit . . .

91 mrshankly01  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:58:42pm

re: #87 Gus 802


//Run for the hills!


92 Gus  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:58:56pm

re: #84 ArchangelMichael

OH NOEZ!

Wait, if that's so, who's going to be around to "all die" on 12/21/2012?

2012... that would be one month after the '12 election. Hmmm.

93 BignJames  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:59:01pm

re: #79 mrshankly01


I guess we'll have to start engineering/building our infrastructure so that doesn't happen when we're all gone. How about another Govt. Mandate?

94 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:59:52pm

re: #86 redc1c4

now that our TV doesn't w*rk, except for cable, we just leave it off more....

/fine by me. %-)

I just watch old TV shows I get on DVD from either the two by-mail DVD services or my local library. Right now am on a Dark Shadow binge.

95 gmsc  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:00:02am

Today in History, July 2nd:
Click here for History Channel's July 2nd video.

Highlights of this day in history: Charles J. Guiteau shoots and fatally wounds U.S. President James Garfield, who eventually dies from infection on September 19. Amelia Earhart and navigator Fred Noonan are last heard from over the Pacific Ocean while attempting to make the first equatorial round-the-world flight. Robert Tools receives the first recipient of a self-contained artifical heart. President Lyndon B. Johnson signs the Civil Rights Act of 1964 meant to prohibit segregation in public places.

Other notable July 2nd events include:

1698 – Thomas Savery patents the first steam engine.

1776 – The Continental Congress adopts a resolution severing ties with Great Britain although the wording of the formal Declaration of Independence is not approved until July 4.

1777 – Vermont becomes the first American territory to abolish slavery.

1850 – The self-contained gas mask is patented by Benjamin J. Lane.

1976 – North and South Vietnam, divided since 1954, reunite to form the Socialist Republic of Vietnam.

1979 – The first U.S. coin to honor a woman, the Susan B. Anthony dollar (popularly known as the "Carter Quarter"), is introduced.

2002 – Steve Fossett becomes the first person to fly solo around the world nonstop in a balloon.

96 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:00:48am

re: #87 Gus 802

Uh oh! And 9 X 9 = 18 backwards or 81!

//Run for the hills!

I'll just have to hobble my way to them hills using my walker.

97 srb1976  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:01:01am

And thanks to all you sci-fi channel folks...I now have Firefly running on the blu ray player (still love that show...and it wasn't on long enough to start to suck)

98 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:01:07am

re: #93 BignJames

once they invent replicators, no one will have to do anything.

99 Gus  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:01:49am

re: #93 BignJames

I guess we'll have to start engineering/building our infrastructure so that doesn't happen when we're all gone. How about another Govt. Mandate?

Get Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid on the phone!

We've got Czar posts to fill!

//

100 Jack Burton  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:03:43am

re: #98 mrshankly01

once they invent replicators, no one will have to do anything.

Energy is not free though, so the invention of replicators (either Star Trek style or dry nanotech universal assemblers) wont by itself create a post-scarce economy. Land also is not an unlimited resource.

101 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:04:33am

re: #100 ArchangelMichael

true, supply of unimproved land is perfectly inelastic, so we can tax the crap out of it...woohoo...win win

102 Gus  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:06:15am

re: #96 FurryOldGuyJeans

I'll just have to hobble my way to them hills using my walker.

I'd go out on my deck and watch. ;)

103 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:06:49am

re: #71 Erik The Red

Morning/Afternoon/Evening Lizards.

I leave for the airport in 90 minutes. I arrive in Orlando at 14h30 on Friday. Looking forward to being on US soil again. Will miss the smell of Africa tho.
A great song by Johnny Clegg that will be playing on my iPod when I am flying.
Johnny Clegg & Juluka - Scatterlings Of Africa

happy trails and safe flying!

i used to hear that song on KNAC "rock n rhythm" 105.5FM Long Beach

KNAC

104 BignJames  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:07:01am

re: #99 Gus 802

Get Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid on the phone!

We've got Czar posts to fill!

//


Blood drained for his brain


I guess

105 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:07:31am

re: #100 ArchangelMichael

and I always wondered who made the replicators...other replicators?

i understand the desire to eliminate scarcity...i would love to sit on my ass all day long and still be able to get what I want, but scarcity is pretty pervasive. everything that is useful is scarce.

106 BignJames  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:08:16am

re: #104 BignJames

from....pimf

107 gmsc  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:09:39am

re: #105 mrshankly01

and I always wondered who made the replicators...other replicators?

i understand the desire to eliminate scarcity...i would love to sit on my ass all day long and still be able to get what I want, but scarcity is pretty pervasive. everything that is useful is scarce.

Ever read Julian Simon?
;)

108 Gus  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:09:51am

re: #104 BignJames

Blood drained for his brain

I guess

Yike. Notice the right up? Landmark... bill. More like another round of pork. And Waxmann. Sheesh. In congress since 1974. 35 forking years and ever since I was 13 years old.

Dracula lives!

//

109 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:09:59am

re: #104 BignJames

I hope he is okay.

I wonder if the doctors he used were hopeandchangey or well paid and competent?

110 Gus  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:10:10am

re: #106 BignJames

from....pimf

Thought that's what you meant.

111 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:10:20am

re: #107 gmsc

googling now

112 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:10:25am

re: #71 Erik The Red

Have a safe trip!

113 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:10:43am

When does the Senate vote on this shit?

114 freetoken  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:11:25am

So, there is a new trailer for a movie that I was thinking about posting in the Spin-Offs... but I am unclear as to which category would be most appropriate: Entertainment, Culture, Related to Post, or Weird.

What do you think?

115 Age Of Freedom  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:12:16am

re: #88 itellu3times

Understood.
Still, I remember coming in everyday and seeing numerous posts/news that would continuously showcase how severely crazy Islamism and leftists are. Nowadays, the focus is really about being independent or whatever, which is cool, but with the cost of panning the spot light away from the barbaric evil that's continuously striving to destroy Israel, the US and the West in general.

Just sayin'.

116 Syrah  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:12:21am

re: #30 Sharmuta

Syrah- I was considering reading Conflict a second time.

Books of this type require multiple readings.

In the Straussian method, read it once, then again slowly and again then once more.

For most books, all of that would not be necessary. This book has so much information and implication that multiple readings are essential.

117 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:12:51am

re: #114 freetoken

good lord...

118 gmsc  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:13:17am

re: #111 mrshankly01

googling now

Here is a video interview with him (6 videos in all), where you can learn a lot about his outlook on scarcity.

119 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:13:33am

re: #104 BignJames

Blood drained for his brain

I guess

i'm wondering which hospital he's in...... i can think of a few i'd choose for him, but chances are he's not in one of them......

/mores the pity.

120 Syrah  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:14:11am

re: #113 TheMatrix31

When does the Senate vote on this shit?

As often and as many times as it will take to get it passed.

121 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:14:45am

re: #114 freetoken

Weird.

122 Gus  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:15:09am

re: #113 TheMatrix31

When does the Senate vote on this shit?

Can't find a date. Was just looking.

123 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:15:58am

re: #120 Syrah

As often and as many times as it will take to get it passed.

Argh.

124 freetoken  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:16:02am

re: #117 mrshankly01

good lord...

Don't think that is a category option...

125 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:16:54am

Oooo! A lady bug has joined me at the computer. I think I'll name her Dot.

126 freetoken  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:17:05am

Hmmm... maybe their ought to be a Spin-Off category "Good Lord" ?

127 srb1976  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:17:18am

re: #113 TheMatrix31

When does the Senate vote on this shit?

Not til after their latest break, I think they come back to "work" on the 8th

128 Syrah  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:17:43am

re: #125 Sharmuta

Oooo! A lady bug has joined me at the computer. I think I'll name her Dot.

Ladybugs eat aphids like Lizards eat trolls.

129 gmsc  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:18:02am

re: #125 Sharmuta

Oooo! A lady bug has joined me at the computer. I think I'll name her Dot.

...and if another one joins you at the computer, you can call her Matrix.
;)

130 Jack Burton  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:18:39am

re: #105 mrshankly01

and I always wondered who made the replicators...other replicators?

i understand the desire to eliminate scarcity...i would love to sit on my ass all day long and still be able to get what I want, but scarcity is pretty pervasive. everything that is useful is scarce.

Well, to get into ubergeek mode and analyze the economy of the United Federation of Planets for a second: They often made comments about "not using money" only be to seeing taking about credits and/or buying things with money in the next episode. My only way of reconciling this (without concluding that the UFP should have been called the USSRP) is that the economy is post-scarce and the "money" is basically credit for replicator time. Energy is free for all practical purposes because of ubiquitous fusion power and room-temp superconductors. Replicators and nanotech can manufacture everything. Land isn't technically scarce because in Star Trek, every damn star and its cousin has an "earth-like" planet or two around it and many of them are uninhabited. Since there is no need to work to survive, and no need to work to keep up with the Joneses, the only real jobs that would exist would be service related or scientific in nature: thus the idea that "everyone works to better themselves and humanity".

Despite Gene Roddenberry's idealism, I think the reality of this would be that we would become fat slobs plugged into VR all day long while robots running replicators would do everything for us. Society would become stagnant.

131 Erik The Red  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:19:01am

Logging off. Thanks for all the well wishes. My next post will be from US soil. :)

132 Gus  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:20:00am

re: #127 srb1976

Not til after their latest break, I think they come back to "work" on the 8th

Can't wait. I was food shopping once again this afternoon. Everything is getting so expensive. Beef is still pretty cheap around here but this stuff is going to raise prices in the long run. I was whizzing by some cranberry juice drink and they're almost 4 dollars for a large container. This ain't cutting it already.

133 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:20:35am

I put Dot outside where she belongs.

134 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:20:38am

re: #114 freetoken

Until there is a "WTF! How and why are the Japanese stealing my nightmares" I would post it under the "Weird" or "Video" category.

135 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:21:30am

re: #118 gmsc

thanks. looks great. i am in an MBA program right now. we have looked at Oil Scarcity and the fact that we have found more oil over the past 40 years than we have used. i don't think we covered Simon though.

136 gmsc  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:21:33am

re: #133 Sharmuta

I put Dot outside where she belongs.

Impressive feat when you're only 3 apples high.

137 BignJames  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:21:39am

re: #119 redc1c4

i'm wondering which hospital he's in...... i can think of a few i'd choose for him, but chances are he's not in one of them......

/mores the pity.

I wonder if they took him to ER? If Health Care Reform Destruction passes, look for a big drop in the # of ERs.

138 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:21:50am

re: #120 Syrah

As often and as many times as it will take to get it passed.

You've sold me- I'm reading it a second time. We can have another round of spinoffs, and see what else we pick up from it. When are you going to get another copy?

139 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:22:08am

re: #126 freetoken

Hmmm... maybe their ought to be a Spin-Off category "Good Lord" ?

or maybe "OMG WTF BBQ!" ?

140 Gus  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:22:10am

Oops, just in case. When I said "can't wait" I meant that to be sarcastic.

141 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:22:39am

re: #126 freetoken

:)

142 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:23:10am

re: #136 gmsc

I love ladybugs. Always have.

143 Syrah  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:23:23am

re: #138 Sharmuta

You've sold me- I'm reading it a second time. We can have another round of spinoffs, and see what else we pick up from it. When are you going to get another copy?

The email from Amazon says tomorrow.

I ordered two copies. One that I can destroy with a yellow marker and the other to give to my brother.

144 BignJames  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:24:02am

re: #142 Sharmuta

I love ladybugs. Always have.

How do you prepare them?

145 Gus  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:26:20am

re: #144 BignJames

How do you prepare them?

Twice cooked ladybugs with soy sauce, water chestnuts, and lo mein noodles. Deep flied or steamed!

//

146 gmsc  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:27:28am

re: #135 mrshankly01

thanks. looks great. i am in an MBA program right now. we have looked at Oil Scarcity and the fact that we have found more oil over the past 40 years than we have used. i don't think we covered Simon though.

The best part of Julian Simon's life story was when he made a bet concerning scarcity with Paul Erlich.

In October of 1980, they both agreed on a specified amount of commodities that, when combined at their prices at the time, cost $10,000. They both agreed to wait for 10 years, at which time they would check the combined prices of those same amounts of commodities.

If the commodities got scarcer, as Erlich believed they would, then the price would go up, and Simon would pay Erlich the difference between the final price and $10,000.

If the commodities got more plentiful, as Simon believed they would, then the price would go down, and Erlich would have to pay Simon the difference between $10,000 and the final price.

In October of 1990, Erlich mailed Simon a check for $576.07.

147 gmsc  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:28:03am

re: #142 Sharmuta

I love ladybugs. Always have.

Is that why you told her to fly away home?
;)

148 Jack Burton  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:28:39am

re: #145 Gus 802

Twice cooked ladybugs with soy sauce, water chestnuts, and lo mein noodles. Deep flied or steamed!

//

This reminds me, I was going to ask if the title of the LGF cookbook was To Serve Lizard.

149 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:29:05am

re: #144 BignJames

How do you prepare them?

By gently telling them, "Ladybug- you need to get on this piece of paper so I can put you back outside where you can eat."

150 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:29:27am

re: #128 Syrah

Ladybugs eat aphids like Lizards eat trolls.

They are good for that.

When I was little, I saved a ladybug from drowning in a pool. I couldn't shake it off for nothing, it clung to my tiny hand like it was it's only life-line to this world. I gave up, and just let it crawl on me until it got bored a flew away.

/silly story, but some weird memories just stick with you

151 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:29:55am

re: #130 ArchangelMichael

thanks. great post. i really enjoy star trek, but the socialist angle always got to me. i have kept this link in my pocket for rereading whenever I have questions:

Volokh

I had always accepted the Replicators as one possible way of removing scarcity. I had never thought about nanotechnology, though. thanks.

152 Gus  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:30:29am

re: #148 ArchangelMichael

This reminds me, I was going to ask if the title of the LGF cookbook was To Serve Lizard.

And not "To Serve Man." //

You ever have lizard? Was wondering. Had eel before as in unagi and wondered if it would have a similar taste.

153 BignJames  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:30:30am

re: #148 ArchangelMichael

This reminds me, I was going to ask if the title of the LGF cookbook was To Serve Lizard.


I've heard iguana tastes just like chicken.

154 Syrah  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:30:38am

re: #150 Slumbering Behemoth

They are good for that.

When I was little, I saved a ladybug from drowning in a pool. I couldn't shake it off for nothing, it clung to my tiny hand like it was it's only life-line to this world. I gave up, and just let it crawl on me until it got bored a flew away.

/silly story, but some weird memories just stick with you

We are made up of such little memories. With out them, we would be something less than human.

155 BignJames  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:31:34am

re: #149 Sharmuta

By gently telling them, "Ladybug- you need to get on this piece of paper so I can put you back outside where you can eat."


Ahh.....fattening her up, huh?

156 Gus  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:32:09am

re: #155 BignJames

Ahh.....fattening her up, huh?

Lady bug having an aphid snack.

157 srb1976  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:33:56am

Best quote in the whole firefly series
"looks like we got here just in time, what does that make us"
"Big Damn Heroes, Sir"
"Ain't we just"

Too much fun

158 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:33:58am

re: #150 Slumbering Behemoth

I knew it! You're just a big ol' softie.

159 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:34:14am

re: #124 freetoken

The category game: Which one does this belong in?

/Do we have a "Buckethead" category yet?

160 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:34:32am

re: #146 gmsc

i will definitely look into his life more. economists always fascinate me.: the only people I know who can take every side of an issue with a straight face

161 BignJames  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:34:52am

re: #156 Gus 802

Lady bug having an aphid snack.


Wow....proportionoly much larger than a Quarter Pounder.

162 Gus  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:35:24am

re: #150 Slumbering Behemoth

They are good for that.

When I was little, I saved a ladybug from drowning in a pool. I couldn't shake it off for nothing, it clung to my tiny hand like it was it's only life-line to this world. I gave up, and just let it crawl on me until it got bored a flew away.

/silly story, but some weird memories just stick with you

There's an old trick were you can take a drowned fly and "bring it back to life" if you lay it on some salt.

163 Gus  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:35:55am

re: #162 Gus 802

There's an old trick were where you can take a drowned fly and "bring it back to life" if you lay it on some salt.

RIMF

164 freetoken  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:36:54am

re: #135 mrshankly01

we have looked at Oil Scarcity and the fact that we have found more oil over the past 40 years than we have used.

Normally I'd quiz you on that... but since we were discussing SciFi SyFy I've decided to go watch Amanda Tapping's "Sanctuary" and see if I like it...

Ask yourself this though... why should you believe anybody's reports of how much oil they have "found"?

165 BignJames  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:36:55am

re: #162 Gus 802

There's an old trick were you can take a drowned fly and "bring it back to life" if you lay it on some salt.


Not a closet Peta member, are you?

166 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:37:12am

re: #157 srb1976

Mel is pretty good in the new show Castle.

167 srb1976  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:38:03am

re: #166 mrshankly01

Haven't heard of it, what is it?

168 gmsc  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:38:37am

re: #160 mrshankly01

i will definitely look into his life more. economists always fascinate me.: the only people I know who can take every side of an issue with a straight face

Harry Truman, during his presidency, was once being briefed on the economy. After hearing the economist's analysis, Truman asked, "So, we can expect federal tax reciepts to rise in the coming year?" The economist replied, "It's certainly possible, but on the other hand . . ."

Harry Truman stopped him at that point, turned to one of his cabinet members, and said, "What this country needs is a good one-handed economist."

169 Gus  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:38:44am

re: #165 BignJames

Not a closet Peta member, are you?

Nope. I've played around with bugs when I was a kid.

170 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:38:57am

re: #164 freetoken

i don't have to, I just have to look at the price of oil and see that, counting inflation, it costs less for a gallon now than is did in the 1970s. it is arough estimate at the supply, but it works.

171 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:39:07am

re: #155 BignJames

Ahh.....fattening her up, huh?

You're too clever- you got me.

172 freetoken  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:39:16am

re: #159 Slumbering Behemoth

Clearly LGF needs a "Cooking" label as well....

173 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:39:24am

re: #170 mrshankly01

i don't have to, I just have to look at the price of oil and see that, counting inflation, it costs less for a gallon now than is did in the 1970s. it is arough a rough estimate at the supply, but it works.

PIMF

174 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:40:41am

re: #158 Sharmuta

Not always. In my youth, I also did the whole "ants and magnifying glass" thing. And one time, on vacation, I found two ant hills composed of different species of ants close to each other. What I did with that, I am not proud to say.

175 Gus  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:43:01am

re: #174 Slumbering Behemoth

Not always. In my youth, I also did the whole "ants and magnifying glass" thing. And one time, on vacation, I found two ant hills composed of different species of ants close to each other. What I did with that, I am not proud to say.

Yeah. Back in the day that was a way to pass the time. These days it's a "symptom."

[shrug]

176 BignJames  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:43:17am

re: #174 Slumbering Behemoth


I've heard one way to rid your yard of fire ants is to take a shovel full from one mound and place it onto another.

177 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:44:18am

re: #153 BignJames

I've heard iguana tastes just like chicken.

that's the lie they tell you about all weird food.....

if you're smart, all that stuff tastes like Tabasco.

(assuming you're dumb enough to eat it at all..... %-)

178 srb1976  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:44:51am

re: #176 BignJames

I've heard one way to rid your yard of fire ants is to take a shovel full from one mound and place it onto another.

I didn't know that.....better half always douses them with gasoline and lights them on fire....seems to work...

179 Jack Burton  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:45:38am

re: #151 mrshankly01

thanks. great post. i really enjoy star trek, but the socialist angle always got to me. i have kept this link in my pocket for rereading whenever I have questions:

Volokh

I had always accepted the Replicators as one possible way of removing scarcity. I had never thought about nanotechnology, though. thanks.

All that being said, I'm sure the reason that Roddenberry made the UFP as it was, was that he was simply your average American lefty utopian idealist of the "socialism has never been done correctly yet" type. He wasn't a great political or economic thinker.

I know that socialism of the scale that would be required for the UFP with scarcity, would be a nightmare of epic proportions that would make the police states on Cardassia and Romulus look like classical liberal democratic paradises in comparison, so I refused to accept that it was socialism, regardless of whatever Roddenberry was trying to imply. Every time Kirk or Picard said "we don't use money" it was always in time-travel situations, where any "credits" they had would not work as money anyway. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

180 BignJames  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:46:04am

re: #178 srb1976

I didn't know that.....better half always douses them with gasoline and lights them on fire....seems to work...


I don't have any....yet.

181 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:46:31am

re: #174 Slumbering Behemoth

Not always. In my youth, I also did the whole "ants and magnifying glass" thing. And one time, on vacation, I found two ant hills composed of different species of ants close to each other. What I did with that, I am not proud to say.

There is no appeal for the laws of nature. Or Young Sleepy B.

182 Jack Burton  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:46:56am

re: #152 Gus 802

And not "To Serve Man." //

You ever have lizard? Was wondering. Had eel before as in unagi and wondered if it would have a similar taste.

Nope. Not that I know of anyway. There's a lot of "exotic" things people insist taste "just like Chicken" so I'd rather just eat chicken, it's cheaper.

183 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:48:23am

re: #179 ArchangelMichael

"I know that socialism of the scale that would be required for the UFP with scarcity, would be a nightmare of epic proportions that would make the police states on Cardassia and Romulus look like classical liberal democratic paradises in comparison..."

great line.

184 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:48:25am

re: #176 BignJames

I've heard one way to rid your yard of fire ants is to take a shovel full from one mound and place it onto another.

boiling water, in large amounts does a good j*b too....

your way might leave survivors %-)

185 BignJames  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:48:36am

re: #182 ArchangelMichael

Nope. Not that I know of anyway. There's a lot of "exotic" things people insist taste "just like Chicken" so I'd rather just eat chicken, it's cheaper.


Chicken = barn yard pheasant

186 srb1976  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:48:37am

re: #180 BignJames

I don't have any....yet.

We live in Alabama....there's always fire ants, and since we have little kids, the fire ants have to go. The wasps Little Man got into last summer were bad enough (and appear to have sparked a real phobia). Don't need a fire ant incident too...

187 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:49:31am

re: #176 BignJames

Another thing, they hate hot-sauce and chalk.

188 Gus  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:50:47am

re: #182 ArchangelMichael

Nope. Not that I know of anyway. There's a lot of "exotic" things people insist taste "just like Chicken" so I'd rather just eat chicken, it's cheaper.

When I used to eat out a lot I would always get some chicken dish. Chicken this chicken that. Don't like to get chicken now since it doesn't keep for too long and plus I'm kind of burnt out on the chicken. I only really liked the breast meat anyway. Which reminds me I once had some chicken soup in a Vietnamese restaurant once which had the biggest chicken bone I ever saw. Still, tasted like chicken.

189 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:51:32am

Ahoy, polloi!

Hope everyone is well this evening!

I was just about to post this in spinoffs, and I see fortuitiously that ants are being discussed here too!

Ant Mega-Colony Takes over World

190 BignJames  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:51:39am

re: #187 Slumbering Behemoth

Another thing, they hate hot-sauce and chalk.

I did not know that.

Channelling Johnny C.

191 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:52:24am

re: #164 freetoken

as for back up on my statement:

In fact, the window of oil availability generally improved over the 20th century. At the end of 1944, "proved reserves" of crude oil were 51 billion barrels worldwide. By 2003, the number had grown to 1.27 trillion barrels of proved reserves. Given the annual rates of consumption in the two years, the world went from a proven supply of under 25 years' worth of oil in 1944 to a supply of about 44 years in 2003. (footnotes and ref at the link)

Robert P. Murphy

*Robert P. Murphy is a Senior Fellow in Business and Economic Studies at Pacific Research Institute. He is the author of The Politically Incorrect Guide to Capitalism (Regnery, 2007).

192 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:52:34am

re: #187 Slumbering Behemoth

Another thing, they hate hot-sauce and chalk.

They also hate tobacco water. Take a cigarette, place it in a gallon of water, let it steep, and pour it on their mound.

193 BignJames  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:53:36am

re: #186 srb1976

I learned that lesson early in life.....wasp nest + kid + stick = not good.

194 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:54:21am

re: #189 iceweasel

IceDub!

195 srb1976  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:54:55am

re: #193 BignJames

I learned that lesson early in life.....wasp nest + kid + stick = not good.

Ours went more like wasp nest on the bottom of swing + kid in swing = lots of stings and a kid who is afraid of everything that buzzes

196 gmsc  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:54:55am

Ugh, I not only redesigned an entire section of my site today, I moved it as well!

Here's the front page of the old version of the site (soon to be little more than a large collection of redirect pages), and here's the front page of the new version of the site.

Besides just adding in the new design, I've done things like taking multi-page lessons and putting them into 1 page with tabs to separate the sections.

Not easy, but it will be rewarding when I finish the redesign!

197 Gus  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:55:07am

re: #193 BignJames

I learned that lesson early in life.....wasp nest + kid + stick = not good.

Wasp nest + kid + garden hose + high pressure nozzle = fun!

198 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:55:22am

re: #168 gmsc

they definitely can talk around an issue. they always impress me with their intelligence, though.

199 Jack Burton  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:55:42am

re: #189 iceweasel

Ahoy, polloi!

Hope everyone is well this evening!

I was just about to post this in spinoffs, and I see fortuitiously that ants are being discussed here too!

Ant Mega-Colony Takes over World

We need to find the Brain-Bug and take it out before they "take care" of us.

200 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:56:08am

re: #194 Sharmuta

IceDub!

Sham-WOW! What's up? :)

201 Gus  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:56:44am

re: #199 ArchangelMichael

We need to find the Brain-Bug and take it out before they "take care" of us.

Either that or call Dr. Harold Medford.

/Them!

202 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:56:51am

re: #199 ArchangelMichael

We need to find the Brain-Bug and take it out before they "take care" of us.

It's kind of creepy.

203 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:57:14am

re: #201 Gus 802

Either that or call Dr. Harold Medford.

/Them!

Ooh, I love that movie. LOVE.

204 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:57:42am

re: #200 iceweasel

Sham-WOW! What's up? :)

dang, Sharm-wow, obv.

205 Gus  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 12:58:17am

re: #203 iceweasel

Ooh, I love that movie. LOVE.

Love those old movie. Of course we know the ants were really the Ruskies.

;)

206 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:00:37am

re: #200 iceweasel

Just hanging. How you been?

207 gmsc  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:01:18am

re: #205 Gus 802

Love those old movie. Of course we know the ants were really the Ruskies.

;)

Red ants?

208 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:01:53am

re: #197 Gus 802

I'm with James. Not fun at all. I'm still terrified by wasps.

209 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:02:18am

re: #205 Gus 802

Love those old movie. Of course we know the ants were really the Ruskies.

;)

Yep. I love how all those 50's sci-fi movies are really about Cold War paranoia and fear of nukes.

Like Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Although neither the author of the novel nor the director intended it that way, it's got all these creepy overtones that suggest it's about the fear of Communists among us.
--------------------------

So, I've been unplugged for a while, so let me get caught up....Joe the Plumber is talking to God, Glenn Beck wants america to be nuked, Sanford is saying he doesn't regret 'spending time with his soulmate', in a desperate bid to-- I guess-- get his wife to divorce him, and ex-McCain staffers are STILL leaking super-unflattering stuff about Palin.

That about it?

210 Gus  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:02:27am

re: #207 gmsc

Red ants?

The Red Ants are Coming!

Staring Alan Arkin.

//

211 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:02:58am

re: #206 Sharmuta

Just hanging. How you been?

Offline! I have to email you--

212 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:03:57am

re: #204 iceweasel

dang, Sharm-wow, obv.

Every time someone posts a comment about shamwow, I do a double take.

213 srb1976  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:04:34am

re: #209 iceweasel

I'd go with, Joe's not running for office, Beck's a nut, Sanford's a cheatin' bastard, and McCain staffers are still flinging poo....but that's just my take

214 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:04:40am

re: #211 iceweasel

Offline! I have to email you--

Cool- I wish Sleepy B would read his email....

215 gmsc  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:04:59am

What did the pink panther say after he squished the ant?

216 Jack Burton  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:05:08am

re: #209 iceweasel

Yep. I love how all those 50's sci-fi movies are really about Cold War paranoia and fear of nukes.

Like Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Although neither the author of the novel nor the director intended it that way, it's got all these creepy overtones that suggest it's about the fear of Communists among us.

It's the same situation as modern book-to-movie productions or remakes of older movies insisting on shoehorning in modern political issues regardless of how out of place they are.

217 Gus  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:05:13am

re: #209 iceweasel

Yep. I love how all those 50's sci-fi movies are really about Cold War paranoia and fear of nukes.

Like Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Although neither the author of the novel nor the director intended it that way, it's got all these creepy overtones that suggest it's about the fear of Communists among us.
--------------------------

So, I've been unplugged for a while, so let me get caught up....Joe the Plumber is talking to God, Glenn Beck wants america to be nuked, Sanford is saying he doesn't regret 'spending time with his soulmate', in a desperate bid to-- I guess-- get his wife to divorce him, and ex-McCain staffers are STILL leaking super-unflattering stuff about Palin.

That about it?

Yep, that's about it. Been laying kind of low myself. Tired and can't sleep but need to sleep.

Karl Malden died and watching a video with him right now.

218 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:05:24am

re: #213 srb1976

I'd go with, Joe's not running for office, Beck's a nut, Sanford's a cheatin' bastard, and McCain staffers are still flinging poo....but that's just my take

In other words, SSDD. :)

219 Jack Burton  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:06:17am

re: #212 Sharmuta

Every time someone posts a comment about shamwow, I do a double take.

Better that than slap-chop.

"We are going to make America thin again, one slap at a time!"

220 srb1976  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:06:17am

re: #218 iceweasel

In other words, SSDD. :)

That's about it....how've you been...haven't see ya around in awhile...

221 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:07:03am

re: #216 ArchangelMichael

It's the same situation as modern book-to-movie productions or remakes of older movies insisting on shoehorning in modern political issues regardless of how out of place they are.

I'm not sure...only because I think a lot of the political overtones in 50's horror/sci-fi are unconscious, not wedged in there on purpose.

That probably started changing in the 60's, i guess.

222 gmsc  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:08:04am

re: #216 ArchangelMichael

It's the same situation as modern book-to-movie productions or remakes of older movies insisting on shoehorning in modern political issues regardless of how out of place they are.

On the other hand, it did make Harry Potter and the Balance of Earth far more popular than Earth In The Balance.

223 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:09:03am

re: #209 iceweasel

So, I've been unplugged for a while, so let me get caught up....Joe the Plumber is talking to God, Glenn Beck wants america to be nuked, Sanford is saying he doesn't regret 'spending time with his soulmate', in a desperate bid to-- I guess-- get his wife to divorce him, and ex-McCain staffers are STILL leaking super-unflattering stuff about Palin.

That about it?

And Americans think the dems are too liberal and republicans too conservative.

Gee- it's almost as if Americans are longing for some moderation. Kind of like what Charles has been saying and getting beat up for by some of the right-wing blogosphere. I'm sure this point will be lost on them, and they will continue to seethe we need to move right. Oh well. What can you do?

224 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:09:16am

re: #167 srb1976

not sci-fi (or syfy ?) Mel (Nathan Fillion) is a writer who works with a detective "solving crimes." formulaic, but good acting.
Castle

225 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:10:29am

re: #220 srb1976

That's about it....how've you been...haven't see ya around in awhile...

I'm good! Haven't seen you in ages! I think we've been on different LGF shifts.

I do have a semi-interesting story. I got some flowers today, and the card says:

Dearest [iceweasel],
Happy Fourth! I hope you have a wonderful weekend.
Love, [joe].

Problem: I have an ex named Joe, and a friend named Joe. I have no idea who sent these, or why.

226 Jack Burton  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:11:22am

re: #209 iceweasel

Glenn Beck wants america to be nuked

And some LGF regular(s) really seemed to take offense to me calling Beck a kook because of this.

227 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:12:15am

re: #223 Sharmuta

And Americans think the dems are too liberal and republicans too conservative.

Gee- it's almost as if Americans are longing for some moderation. Kind of like what Charles has been saying and getting beat up for by some of the right-wing blogosphere. I'm sure this point will be lost on them, and they will continue to seethe we need to move right. Oh well. What can you do?

I did see that in glancing at the front page here; I haven't looked at the Gallup poll yet but I had the exact same thoughts.
The big issue is that Americans are pretty sick of both political parties and yet there isn't a real alternative.

228 gmsc  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:12:49am

The past few weeks haven't been good for famous actors.

The latest one to pass away? Mladen George Sekulovich.

229 srb1976  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:12:57am

re: #225 iceweasel

Hmm...sounds like an interesting puzzle, but flowers are always nice = )

I would think a card addressed to "Dearest" might give something away if you've ever traded cards with either one.....maybe not though

230 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:13:44am

re: #226 ArchangelMichael

And some LGF regular(s) really seemed to take offense to me calling Beck a kook because of this.

Seriously? WTH? should I go look downstairs for some flouncing?

Beck is such a nut I have a hard time understanding how anyone takes him seriously. I wouldn't expect people here to take him seriously. And saying that what we really need is a nuclear attack....how can anyone defend the guy?

231 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:13:54am

re: #207 gmsc

Red ants?

i've got uncles too!

232 freetoken  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:14:33am

re: #191 mrshankly01

At the end of 1944, "proved reserves" of crude oil were 51 billion barrels worldwide.

As you may know, "proved reserves" is a contentious concept. Also, I for one wouldn't count tar (as in Alberta) as "oil"... and so on.

233 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:14:53am

re: #230 iceweasel

/it would really help our scarcity problem

234 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:15:22am

re: #227 iceweasel

I did see that in glancing at the front page here; I haven't looked at the Gallup poll yet but I had the exact same thoughts.
The big issue is that Americans are pretty sick of both political parties and yet there isn't a real alternative.

Well- I don't really care what the other party does with itself, I'm concerned with my party pulling it's head out of it's ass and getting back to Goldwater conservatism. It got us Reagan, and I think it's still a winner.

235 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:15:27am

re: #218 iceweasel

In other words, SSDD. :)

SSED..............

236 gmsc  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:15:34am

re: #232 freetoken

As you may know, "proved reserves" is a contentious concept. Also, I for one wouldn't count tar (as in Alberta) as "oil"... and so on.

What, in a tar nation, would your estimate be?

237 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:16:29am

re: #229 srb1976

Hmm...sounds like an interesting puzzle, but flowers are always nice = )

I would think a card addressed to "Dearest" might give something away if you've ever traded cards with either one.....maybe not though

Not in this case...they're both prone to sentiment. It kind of inclines me to think it's the ex, but it could be either.

The really annoying thing is that the florist refuses to give out information. I asked if they'd just confirm or deny if it was a specific last name, and they won't even do that.

It is nice, whichever of them it was, but kind of out of the blue.

238 freetoken  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:16:45am

Back to "Sanctuary"... it looks like it was a valiant effort on the part of Amanda Tapping... for whom I have had appreciation as one of the better TV actresses in recent years.

But it is clearly SyFy - type material.

Back to the show...

239 Jack Burton  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:16:54am

re: #230 iceweasel

Nobody got booted and I'm glad, I was just totally blindsided by the reaction. I thought I was in bizzaro world for a little while.

240 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:17:19am

re: #232 freetoken

maybe contentious, but the most conservative:

from the notes:

Proved reserves refers to reserves that have been located and can be profitably extracted with 90% confidence, given current technology and prices. It is the most conservative classification of reserves.

241 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:17:52am

re: #236 gmsc

What, in a tar nation, would your estimate be?

the numbers would be, of a necessity, crude.

242 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:18:33am

re: #241 redc1c4

opaque, even?

243 Jack Burton  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:18:33am

re: #238 freetoken

I also seem to prefer her not trying to fake an American English accent like she did in SG-1 for 10 years, as for the show I never really got into it.

244 Gus  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:19:08am

re: #228 gmsc

The past few weeks haven't been good for famous actors.

The latest one to pass away? Mladen George Sekulovich.


[Video]

Karl Malden in "A Streetcar Named Desire."

Not bad for a guy that was born in 1912.

245 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:19:43am

re: #234 Sharmuta

Well- I don't really care what the other party does with itself, I'm concerned with my party pulling it's head out of it's ass and getting back to Goldwater conservatism. It got us Reagan, and I think it's still a winner.

You and I have talked about this before, I know....it's not just that it would be good for the GOP, in my estimation, but it would be a good thing for the country. You can't have a functioning democracy without at least two viable parties, and a party endorsing Goldwater conservatism would be attractive to a lot of different people-- including people who are currently voting Democrat.

246 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:19:59am

re: #242 mrshankly01

opaque, even?

possibly, but regardless, they will require some refining......

247 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:20:57am

re: #214 Sharmuta

Aw geez, I rarely check that account. I hope you don't think I've been ignoring you. I'll check it.

248 srb1976  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:22:15am

re: #245 iceweasel

You and I have talked about this before, I know....it's not just that it would be good for the GOP, in my estimation, but it would be a good thing for the country. You can't have a functioning democracy without at least two viable parties, and a party endorsing Goldwater conservatism would be attractive to a lot of different people-- including people who are currently voting Democrat.

It's still a 2 part problem though, Problem 1 involves getting the Party's head out of it's ass, Problem 2 involves the same operation on voters.

Until and unless people wake up and start paying attention, we will continue to get the governent we (as a nation) seem to deserve.

249 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:24:16am

re: #248 srb1976

one thing that made Reagan successful wasn't that he captured the far right, it was that he captured the center left (Reagan Democrats)

250 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:24:45am

hasta, y'all...............

L8r!

251 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:25:02am

re: #247 Slumbering Behemoth

You hate me- admit it! *sob*

252 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:25:05am

re: #250 redc1c4

night red...

253 Jack Burton  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:26:04am

re: #249 mrshankly01

one thing that made Reagan successful wasn't that he captured the far right, it was that he captured the center left (Reagan Democrats)

He didn't do it by pandering to them either. He did it by convincing them.

254 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:26:05am

re: #250 redc1c4

Not even going to leave some fruitcup?

255 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:27:04am

re: #253 ArchangelMichael

true. of course, against the backdrop of Carter, it couldn't have been too hard.

256 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:27:52am

re: #248 srb1976

It's still a 2 part problem though, Problem 1 involves getting the Party's head out of it's ass, Problem 2 involves the same operation on voters.

Very true, but results such as this recent Galup survey to seem to indicate that a lot of voters would be at least willing to listen right now. Whether that will be enough, I don't know.

re: #249 mrshankly01

one thing that made Reagan successful wasn't that he captured the far right, it was that he captured the center left (Reagan Democrats)

Yes, and the GOP can't do that again without jettisoning the Religious Right. Which I hope they'll do, but lately it seems like the hardcore fringe is in charge.

257 srb1976  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:29:03am

re: #253 ArchangelMichael

He didn't do it by pandering to them either. He did it by convincing them.

In order to convince someone of anything you have to get them to listen...I guess that's the most frustrating part. Seems like we've gone from arguing to poo flinging with very little middle ground anymore. Politics has gotten to be less about actual issues and solutions and more about button pushing. Rather depressing if you stop to think about it....

258 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:29:44am

re: #256 iceweasel

i agree they have too much influence. i don't know about jettisoning them. just not pander to them either.

259 freetoken  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:35:48am

re: #240 mrshankly01

Good for the SEC, and those companies which trade on the NYSE who must follow rules because they will be scrutinized. Or for other western oil companies who follows such rules.

But a great deal of the world's oil fields lay in nations where the national oil company is not beholden to the SEC.

This topic has been written about extensively, and people have sold many books about it (e.g., Matt Simmons)... I'm not claiming to be an expert, but it is clearly a field in which the data quality would not be thought of highly, in the physical sciences with which I am familiar. As such, I take all such estimates with a grain of salt (or more.)

Oil is resting around $70/bbl.... how fast it will go up will depend on economic recovery... I used to post quite a bit oil-related spin-off links, given that I see it of vital national interest, but usually they'd only get a few clicks and fewer dings, which tells me that people don't care about such things until gasoline prices set new highs.

So whenever gasoline does set new highs... the topic will be hot, and I'm sure there will be plenty of posts about that.

For now, back to Sanctuary... the show looks a bit too derivative in story lines, and clearly SyFy is aiming at the youngsters... but that is now a given for that network.

260 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:36:05am

re: #256 iceweasel

something I have argued many times with religious conservative friends of mine: a party that is closer to the center, less extreme either way is less threatening to everyone, what ever your religious stance. it will take someone like a Reagan, though. we don't have that right now.

261 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:36:19am

re: #258 mrshankly01

i agree they have too much influence. i don't know about jettisoning them. just not pander to them either.

They can be as religious as they want to be, but they need to understand that whole separation of Church and State thing.

262 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:36:46am

re: #258 mrshankly01

i agree they have too much influence. i don't know about jettisoning them. just not pander to them either.

Yes, that would be a start. It's not as if the GOP would lose their votes, for one thing, unless they decide to start their own party. So why let them have a stranglehold on the social issues, or even as much influence as they currently have? They're not going to turn around and vote for Obama in 2012.

263 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:37:22am

Political meetings aren't church revivals. And Church shouldn't be a political rally.

264 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:38:19am

re: #261 Sharmuta

agreed. definitely.

265 srb1976  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:38:43am

re: #261 Sharmuta

They can be as religious as they want to be, but they need to understand that whole separation of Church and State thing.

Thank you! Now if we can just learn to disagree without demonizing the other side....that'd be real progress = )

266 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:38:58am

re: #251 Sharmuta

Hey now! I am neither "gun" nor "bible", I am a free man, so don't be clinging to me!

/reply sent

267 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:39:44am

night all, need to hit the rack

268 srb1976  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:41:20am

re: #267 mrshankly01

Night, have a great day!

269 gmsc  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:41:37am

re: #267 mrshankly01

night all, need to hit the rack

G'Night, Mr. Shankly!

270 gmsc  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:41:52am

re: #269 gmsc

G'Night, Mr. Shankly!

...or Mrs. Hankly, as the case may be.

271 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:42:33am

re: #261 Sharmuta

They can be as religious as they want to be, but they need to understand that whole separation of Church and State thing.

That's the real issue right there. No one cares what they believe or want to practice. But when they want to teach theology in the biology classes, smuggle ID into science curricula standards, hang the ten commandments on the walls of public buildings, and tell people who we can and can't sleep with....even other Christians get testy.

They keep yapping that America is a Christian nation, seemingly forgetting that the US is really about religious freedom and personal liberties. I think it pisses a lot of people off who even share their values-- but value religious freedom and the separation of church and state more.

272 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:43:00am

re: #267 mrshankly01

Bye! take care

273 srb1976  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:47:02am

re: #271 iceweasel

Both sides of the "religion" argument tend to blow things WAY out of proportion.....
Christians are not persecuted for their beliefs, and no one with any power tells you who to sleep with.
I agree that we can't let the very religious force their beliefs on others, that freedom of religion includes freedom from religion, but if someone is going to sue every time a christmas tree goes up in a town square, they are NOT helping their own case either.
(sorry if this is a bit disjointed...fragmented thinking this time of night) = )

274 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:51:29am

re: #271 iceweasel

Absolutely. But it's not just the religious right that does this. Moral busybodies come in many forms. Don't tell me what to consume, don't dictate to me about turning my heat/ac down, and don't tell me how many squares of TP I can use.

275 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:53:02am

re: #273 srb1976

I agree- the religious right feeds the militant atheists and the militant atheists feed the religious right. Meanwhile, the rest of us are shaking our heads.

276 srb1976  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:54:53am

re: #275 Sharmuta

I agree- the religious right feeds the militant atheists and the militant atheists feed the religious right. Meanwhile, the rest of us are shaking our heads.

Absolutely...the "live and let live" and "mind your own damn business" crowds need a hero = )
Or a voice....

277 BignJames  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:56:16am

re: #276 srb1976

Absolutely...the "live and let live" and "mind your own damn business" crowds need a hero = )
Or a voice....

Ok....I'll do it.

278 gmsc  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:57:19am

Is that fruitcup I hear being prepared?

279 BignJames  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:58:09am

re: #278 gmsc

Is that fruitcup I hear being prepared?

I just opened some cat food....want some?

280 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:58:38am

re: #275 Sharmuta

I agree- the religious right feeds the militant atheists and the militant atheists feed the religious right. Meanwhile, the rest of us are shaking our heads.

I'm not convinced there are such things as 'militant atheists', except for that guy who keeps filing SCOTUS cases about the Pledge. Michael Newdow?

Who's a militant atheist? PZ Myers? Hitchens? Dawkins?

As for the War on Christmas stuff, I think that's largely a creation of Bill O'Reilly. I thought the lawsuits over Christmas displays weren't about displays like trees, usually, but creches. And aren't they usually about demanding equal time for other religions?-- as opposed to say, wanting to prohibit all displays?

(I don't really pay attention to the various lawsuits that seem to erupt about this every year though, I admit)

281 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 1:59:13am

re: #278 gmsc

Getting over my heart attack first. I think we just had a hail storm (now it's pouring), and in the dark it sounded like someone was trying to break into the house from the deck.

282 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:00:10am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------->
Help yourselves!

283 gmsc  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:00:37am

re: #281 littleoldlady

Getting over my heart attack first. I think we just had a hail storm (now it's pouring), and in the dark it sounded like someone was trying to break into the house from the deck.

Take care! We worry about you.

re: #282 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------->
Help yourselves!

Thanks! Yummers!

284 srb1976  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:01:42am

re: #282 littleoldlady

Yay! Thanks = )

285 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:02:21am

re: #283 gmsc

gmsc! :-)

You should!

/I'm old :-/

srb! :-)

286 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:02:36am

as we head into the 4th of july weekend here area few recipies for our Lizards

Jamaican Jerk Marinade

1/2 c. whole Jamaican pimento berries
4 Scotch Bonnet chiles, seeds and stems
removed, chopped
10 scallions, chopped
1/2 c. chopped onion
4 cloves garlic, chopped
4 bay leaves, crushed
1 3-inch piece of ginger, peeled and chopped
1/3 c. fresh thyme
1 teaspoon (5 ml) nutmeg
1 teaspoon (5 ml) ground cinnamon
1 teaspoon (5 ml) salt
1 Tablespoon (15 ml) black pepper
1/4 c. vegetable oil
1/4 c. key lime juice

Roast berries in dry skillet until aromatic, about 2 minutes. Remove
and crush into powder.
Put powder and all ingredients into blender. Remove and store in a
jar in refrigerator.


Jamaican Jerk Barbecued Ribs

1 cup Jerk Marinade (1)
1 tablespoon (15 ml) Sugar
2 tablespoons (30 ml) Basalmic Vinegar
4 pounds Pork Spareribs
Commercial BBQ Sauce

Combine marinade, sugar and vinegar. Marinate ribs for 4+ hours. The
longer the hotter. Set drip pan in grill to provide for indirect
heat. Use a low fire. Cook for 1 1/2 hours turning and brushing
frequently with the marinade. Brush ribs with BBQ sauce during the
last 15 minutes of cooking.

287 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:03:07am

Spicy Shrimp with Cornmeal

Serves 4

.75 cup cornmeal
1-2 teaspoons cayenne pepper
.5 teaspoon ground cumin
1 teaspoon salt
2 tablespoons chopped fresh cilantro or parsley
2 pounds large raw gulf shrimp, shelled and devined
flour, for dredging
.25 cup vegetable oil
1 cup shredded Monterey Jack or Cheddar cheese

To serve:
Lime wedges
Tomato Salsa

Step 1: preheat the broiler. Ina mixing bowl, combine the cornmeal, cayenne pepper, cumin, salt, and cilantro or parsley

Step 2: Cot the shrimp lightly in flower, then dip them in water and roll them in the cornmeal mix to coat
Step 3: heat the oil in a non stick frying pan. When hot, add the shrimp, in batches if needed. Cook them until they are opaque throughout, for about 2-3 minutes on each side. Drain on paper towels.

Step 4: place the shrimp in a large blending dish or individual dishes. Sprinkle the cheese on top. Broil about three inches from the heat until the cheese melts (2-3 minutes). Serve immediately with the lime wedges and tomato salsa.


Cajun ‘Popcorn’ shrimp

2 lbs raw crayfish tails, peeled, or small shrimp, shell and deveined
2 eggs
1 cup white wine (very dry)
.5 cup fine cornmeal (or all purpose flour, if not available)
.5 cup all purpose flour
1 tablespoon snipped fresh chives
1 garlic clove, crushed
.5 teaspoon fresh thyme leaves
.25 teaspoon salt
.25 teaspoon cayenne pepper
.25 teaspoon ground black pepper
oil, for deep frying

For the mayonnaise
1 egg yolk
2 teaspoons Dijon mustard
1 tablespoon white vinegar
1 cup olive or vegetable oil
.5 cup fresh basil leaves, chopped
salt and ground black pepper

Step 1: rinse the crayfish or shrimp in cold water. Drain well and set aside in a cool place

Step 2: mix together the eggs and wine in a small bowl

Step 3: in a mixing bowl, combine the cornmeal and/or flour, chives, garlic, thyme, salt cayenne, and pepper. Gradually whisk in the egg mixture, blending well. Cover the batter and let stand for one hour at room temperature.

Step 4: For the mayonnaise, combine the egg yolk, mustard, vinegar in a mixing bowl and add salt and pepper to taste. Add the oil ina thin stream, beating vigiously with a wire whisk. When the mixture is thick and smooth, stir in the basil. Cover and chill until ready to serve.

Step 5: heat 3 inches of oil in a large skillet or deep fryer to a temp of 350 F. dip the seafood into the batter and fry in small batches for 2-3 minutes until golden brown. Turn as necessary for even coloring. Remove with a slotted spoon and drain on paper towels. Serve hot with the mayo

288 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:03:40am

re: #282 littleoldlady

Thank you, {lol! Have an lolcat.

289 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:04:35am

Sharmuta! :-)

Oh, that's a keeper! LOL!

290 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:04:43am

re: #271 iceweasel

Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.
.....
The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom.... I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in 'A,' 'B,' 'C,' and 'D.' Just who do they think they are?... I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of "conservatism."

I am not for purging the "religious right" from the GOP, or CINOs as I sometimes refer to them (seriously, how can anyone call themselves a conservative when they advocate using the force of gov't to impose their religious views on others) , but I do think they need to understand that they do not own the party, they do not run the party, that they are only one portion of the party. If this particular "hard line" faction could learn that the GOP platform isn't "always about them" this nation would be better off. IMNSO.

291 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:05:08am

Thai Red Curry Sauce Ribs

Serves 4

2 lbs spare ribs (beef or pork)
4 Garlic Cloves, minced
2 tablespoons mined ginger
.5 cup chopped red bell pepper (roasted), Fresh or bottled
1 cup seeded & chopped tomatoes
.25 cup finely minced lemongrass leaves
zest from 1 lime, minced
.33 cup wine vinegar (I prefer red, but any will do)
.25 cup thai or Vietnamese fish sauce
.25 cup honey
1-2 tablespoons Asian chili sauce
2 tablespoons ground coriander
2 teaspoons crushed red pepperflakes (fresh)

1)to make this sauce, simply put the ingredients (without ribs) into a blender/ processor. Should make about two cups or thereabouts
2)coat ribs evenly with marinade. Refrigerate for about 15 minutes. Up to 8 hrs for more flavour to soak in.
3)grill in preheated grill at 325. Baste the ribs with extra sauce, stopping about 15 minutes before removing from your grill.

292 gmsc  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:05:39am

re: #288 Sharmuta

Thank you, {lol! Have an lolcat.

A littleoldlady cat?
;)

293 gmsc  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:06:10am

Time to tuck myself in.

Good night, all!

294 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:06:11am

Peppered Catfish
Serves six

Pepper rub
3 tablespoons coarsely ground black pepper
2 tablespoons kosher or sea salt, coarsely ground
1.5 tablespoons coarsely ground white pepper
.5 teaspoon cayenne

6 8-oz catfish fillets

Catfish Mop
2 cups seafood or chicken stock
.5 cup vegetable oil
juice of 3 limes
1-2 tablespoons of Pepper Rub

Step 1: at least 2.5 hrs before you plan to BBQ, or preferably the night before, mix the rub ingredients in a small bowl. Cover the catfish lightly and evenly in the rub, reserving 1-2 tablespoons of the mixture if you plan to baste the fish. Place the fillets in a plastic back and refrigerate for 2.5 hrs or overnight.

Step 2: prep the smoker/oven for cooking, temperature to 180F-200F

Step 3. Remove fillets from refrigerator, let them sit a room temp for about 20 min

Step 4. mix mop ingredients in small saucepan and warm over low heat

Step 5. place the catfish in the oven/smoker on a small grill rack as far from the fire as possible. Cook for 1.5 hrs, dabbing the cat fish with the mop about every 20 min or so, when cooked, the fish should be opaque and firm, but flaky.

295 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:07:09am

re: #289 littleoldlady

As soon as I saw that pic, I knew I had to use it. Glad you liked it.

296 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:07:17am

re: #293 gmsc

Good night!

297 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:08:48am

'Night, gmsc! :-)

298 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:09:13am

Sharmuta,

Already sent to those on my email list who would appreciate it! :-)

299 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:09:35am

Salsa Borracha
Makes about 3 cups

3 oz dried pasilla chilies, seeded and stemmed
4 Tablespoons diced White Onion
1.5 teaspoons extra virgin olive oil
1.25 cups (1 bottle) dark beer, such as Boc
2 cloves of roasted Garlic
3 Roma Tomatoes, blackened
.5 teaspoon toasted ground cumin
.5 teaspoon toasted ground oregano
.75 teaspoon salt
4 oz feta or dry-aged goat cheese

Toast the chilies and rehydrate them in 2 cups warm water. Drain the chilies, reserving .5 cup of the water. Devin the chilies and transfer to a blender. If it is not bitter, add the reserved chili water ; otherwise, ad .5 cup water. Sauté the onions in the oil for about 5 min over a medium heat, then add to the chilies. Add the garlic, tomatoes, cumin, oregano, salt, and beer. Blend until pureed , transfer to serving bowl and sprinkle the cheese over the top

300 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:11:57am

re: #286 Jewels (AKA Julian)

I am EXPECTING to see these recipes in the LGF cookbook. Y'all better be emailing them in to Reine. Today was the deadline,but she is forgiving, as she can be. YOU BETTER SEND THESE IN.
Pretty please?

301 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:12:02am

Jewel's Lazy Turkey Curry (also works with chicken)
Makes 4 servings
¼ cup chopped onion
1 can cream of mushroom soup
¼ cup milk.
1 cup sour cream
½ teaspoon curry powder
1 tbspn butter
1 cup cubed turkey
Step 1: cook the onion in the butter.
Step 2: add the cream of mushroom soup and milk. Stir until smooth
Step 3: add the sour cream and curry powder.
Step 4: add turkey and heat. Serve over rice
note: keep stirring the mix as this can burn to the bottom of your pots rather easily

302 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:12:17am

re: #299 Jewels (AKA Julian)

Are you in Cajun country?

303 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:12:25am

re: #290 Slumbering Behemoth

*clap clap clap clap*

304 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:12:35am

re: #300 Floral Giraffe

oh god......sorry. I've been so busy with other things I completely forgot

305 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:12:52am

Or, as Achmed the dead terrorist says....
I will keel you!
:}

306 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:13:22am

DAMN! I promised her my brussels sprouts recipe and never sent it... :-(

307 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:13:56am

re: #298 littleoldlady

I hope they like it.

308 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:14:18am

re: #306 littleoldlady

Send it now and I will make sure it get's in!

309 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:14:55am

re: #304 Jewels (AKA Julian)

Hello!
Lots of Lizards would LOVE a good recipe from you.
Smack, whack & Achmed the dead terrorist is all over this!
Besides that, I wanna see it in the cookbook.!

310 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:16:05am

re: #306 littleoldlady

re: #306 littleoldlady
Send it, or the brussel sprouts are TOAST!
LOL!

311 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:17:05am

GET WITH THE PROGRAM PEOPLE> WE love you, we love what you love to eat! Share!

312 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:17:37am

re: #310 Floral Giraffe

re: #306 littleoldlady
Send it, or the brussel sprouts are TOAST!
LOL!

EXACTLY how they're made!

/okay, broiled ;-)

313 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:18:33am

I'm going to bed.
You should check
nevermind.
Gone now.

314 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:18:45am

re: #290 Slumbering Behemoth

IMNSO.

PIMF. That should be "IMNSHO"

Or, "In My Not So Humble Opinion"

315 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:20:56am

okay....I've got it sent with the Imperial and metric conversions that I was able to find for cooking...as much as I could edit

316 srb1976  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:24:51am

did everyone go to sleep?

317 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:26:00am

re: #316 srb1976

I was kinda wondering that myself

318 srb1976  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:28:48am

re: #317 Jewels (AKA Julian)

Was actually thinking about heading in that direction myself....
looks like now's a good time

319 srb1976  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:29:18am

Night folks! Have a good one!

320 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:30:04am

re: #317 Jewels (AKA Julian)

Hey, I asked earlier but I think you were off converting measurements. Are you in Louisiana?

321 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:31:28am

I just stepped away for a minute.

322 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:31:50am

re: #320 Cannadian Club Akbar

nope....just a Nebraskan who likes fiddling with varied dishes :)

323 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:34:19am

re: #322 Jewels (AKA Julian)

I can't send in any recipes because I don't measure things, with the exception of breads, pastries and cakes.

324 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:35:50am

Sending recipe. Slow typer. :-(

325 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:36:32am

re: #321 Sharmuta

I just stepped away for a minute.

I understand. Though it can be lucrative, web-cam porn is pretty demanding of one's time.
/

326 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:36:50am

re: #323 Cannadian Club Akbar

ah...these are recipies I've been refining for a while. I forgot that we've got an international audience and switching to metrics has been somthing of a pain

327 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:37:20am

re: #324 littleoldlady

Hang on! Quit typing and give me a minute.

328 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:38:26am

littleoldlady- just email Reine this link.

329 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:43:09am
330 BignJames  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:43:37am

re: #324 littleoldlady

Sending recipe. Slow typer. :-(


I've got a quick sesame chicken recipe...


Stouffers

331 scion9  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:45:45am

re: #280 iceweasel

I think you see what you want to see here. Anyone who believes that the world would be a better place without religion, or that religion is the root cause of all woe in the modern world and throughout history is 'militant' enough for me and that is hardly even a fringe viewpoint among my young, urban peers. It should be recognized as a dangerous world view and it frequently crosses the boundary into bigotry against theists. There aren't any 'militant' atheists because it isn't a fringe view.

As far as 'equal time' for all religions goes, that is an effective ban. 'All religions' isn't just Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. The push for 'equal time/room' is one that is demanding the literal inclusion of thousands of syncretic, tribal, animist, et cetera belief systems from across Africa and Asia, the hundreds of traditional near-dead European pagan beliefs, every new age cult (and the list goes on) in addition to mainstream world religions for any inclusion of religious symbols in the public square to be seen as legitimate. It is all or nothing, and all is essentially impossible.

When I was in Elementary School, in the late 80s in a very solid blue state, signs saying Merry Christmas were forbidden. We had projects to decorate the school with our own 'holiday' art, but that couldn't include any specific seasonal holidays or their symbols of either a westernized 'Hallmark' variety or of a more clearly religious variety. That was in the 80s. I can't imagine what it is like now.

I'm sure not every school is like that, but I also doubt my experiences are very rare either depending on what part of the country you are from.

332 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:46:41am

re: #328 Sharmuta

YOU ARE THE BEST, SHARMUTA! :-) :-) :-)

/I changed it only slightly to make it idiot-proof

If you had it all along, why didn't you send it? ;-)

333 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:47:42am

re: #329 Iron Fist

Fiscal responsibility and individual liberty.

Where has the right been on that for the last 8 years? They spent like democrats and when the GOP ignores fiscal responsibility- they pay for it with electoral losses.

Go back and read the threads on the DNC convention. I said then that the democrats were trying to steal fiscal responsibility from us. Of course- you and I know they don't mean it, but that was their message. We simply cannot allow the other party to steal our bread and butter like that. The GOP has no one to blame for that except themselves.

334 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:48:21am

Mountain Oyster recipe:
1. Tackle bull.
2. You are on your own at this point.

335 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:48:52am

gotta roll.....need to get some work

336 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:49:03am

re: #334 Cannadian Club Akbar

Hungarian Chicken Recipe (any)

1. Steal a chicken...

337 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:50:33am

re: #332 littleoldlady

I didn't want to over step any boundaries. Plus, I didn't realize you hadn't sent it in yourself.

338 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:55:29am

re: #337 Sharmuta

You have my permission to share any of my recipes from now on.

;-)

339 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 2:58:31am
340 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:00:18am

Additionally, Cousin Fist- I had a staunch conservative tell me he was going to vote McCain despite not liking the guy right up until the fiscal disaster, and McCain voted for TARP.

Fiscal conservatives are pissed. I don't blame them. The GOP has not stood for fiscal responsibility since they kicked out Newt.

341 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:00:43am

re: #331 scion9

it frequently crosses the boundary into bigotry against theists. There aren't any 'militant' atheists because it isn't a fringe view.

Not according to surveys. This is from 2006, granted, but it shows that atheists are in fact the targets of bigotry and suspicion:

Survey: U.S. trust lowest for atheists

And this is wikipedia for the demographics of atheism (granted, it's wikipedia, but in this case they've got links to the real sources):

A 2004 BBC poll showed the number of people in the US who don't believe in a god to be about 10%.[7] A 2005 Gallup poll showed that a smaller 5% of the US population believed that a god didn't exist.[22] The 2001 ARIS report found that while 29.5 million U.S. Americans (14.1%) describe themselves as "without religion", only 902,000 (0.4%) positively claim to be atheist, with another 991,000 (0.5%) professing agnosticism.[23] The most recent ARIS report, released March 9, 2009, found in 2008, 34.2 million Americans (15.0%) claim no religion. Of which, 1.6% explicitly describe themselves as atheist or agnostic, double the previous 2001 ARIS survey figure. The highest occurrence of "nones", according to the 2008 ARIS report, reside in Vermont, with 34% surveyed. [24]


When I was in Elementary School, in the late 80s in a very solid blue state, signs saying Merry Christmas were forbidden. We had projects to decorate the school with our own 'holiday' art, but that couldn't include any specific seasonal holidays or their symbols of either a westernized 'Hallmark' variety or of a more clearly religious variety. That was in the 80s. I can't imagine what it is like now.

Again, it really depends what part of the country you're in. I don't think it's such a bad idea to not have signs that say "Merry Christmas" in a public school, but rather "Happy Holidays" or something suitably religion-neutral.

342 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:02:45am

re: #339 Iron Fist

I don't disagree. I've said it more than once that the "moral" issues are actually spending issues. Subsidize it, you'll get more of it. So we see more out of wedlock births because we fund it.

(Really think you'd like A Conflict of Visions.)

343 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:05:00am

re: #329 Iron Fist


On moderation, wasn't McCain supposed to be the ultimate moderate that was going to pull in all the Center while essentially telling the Right to fuck off?

In whose dreams? I saw him as the MUCH lesser of two evils.

It seems to me that only after the results of the last POTUS election that some want to shine a light on him as being the ultimate 'moderate' or 'centrist' candidate EVAR! And they do so as a point of derision, as if to say "Here before you is your Messiah of Moderation, look upon his EPIC FAIL. Do you see now, the folly of tempering your political desires with reason".

McCain may be a lot of things, but this "McCain was the ultimate moderate who lost, and look where that got us" meme is tiresome.

344 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:05:02am

re: #338 littleoldlady

{lol}

345 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:05:17am

re: #342 Sharmuta

I don't disagree. I've said it more than once that the "moral" issues are actually spending issues.

This is a good point. If we jettisoned the moral angle and treated all these as spending issues, we'd see a pretty big shakeup in terms of party affiliations, is my guess.
(Again, that's because I think fiscal conservatism would be attractive to many besides conservatives, including many now voting Democrat-- or not voting at all)

346 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:06:34am

re: #339 Iron Fist

I agree, but expanding in those directions is a move Right instead of Left. Rather than moderating on fiscal responsibility, we need to not only demand it, but lead on the issue. Individual liberty will be better protected by an emphasis on smaller, less regulatory government that stays within the boundries drawn by the Constitution. The Bill of Rights is very clear. If Congress was not specifically and explicitly granted the athority to do something, it doesn't have the power to do it. It doesn't mean that whatever "it" is isn't important or good, only that it must be done through other channels (State and local governments) instead of by an imperial Federal Government. This is, again, a Right-wing position (pretty hard right).

I agree. I don't need some group telling me how to cook turkey and stuffing at Thanksgiving. I don't need them to tell me not to put butter on popcorn, eat Chinese food, etc. I think those are more of the hard left who think individuals cannot think for themselves so they will do it for us. Most regulation comes from the left. When people try to tell me how to cook, I shouldn't smoke, I shouldn't drink, I generally tell them to mind their own fucking buisness.

347 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:06:37am

re: #343 Slumbering Behemoth

In whose dreams? I saw him as the MUCH lesser of two evils.

It seems to me that only after the results of the last POTUS election that some want to shine a light on him as being the ultimate 'moderate' or 'centrist' candidate EVAR! And they do so as a point of derision, as if to say "Here before you is your Messiah of Moderation, look upon his EPIC FAIL. Do you see now, the folly of tempering your political desires with reason".

McCain may be a lot of things, but this "McCain was the ultimate moderate who lost, and look where that got us" meme is tiresome.

And it's worth noting that that McCain of 2008 was a LOT less centrist or moderate than the McCain of 2000.

348 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:10:46am

re: #345 iceweasel

We need some serious spending reform. I've discussed it at length before, and perhaps we'll get a thread to discuss it again, or maybe an open thread where I can elaborate on this more, but not tonight/this morning. I have got to get some sleep.

Have a great morning, Lizards! See you later.

349 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:11:41am

re: #343 Slumbering Behemoth

In whose dreams? I saw him as the MUCH lesser of two evils.

It seems to me that only after the results of the last POTUS election that some want to shine a light on him as being the ultimate 'moderate' or 'centrist' candidate EVAR! And they do so as a point of derision, as if to say "Here before you is your Messiah of Moderation, look upon his EPIC FAIL. Do you see now, the folly of tempering your political desires with reason".

McCain may be a lot of things, but this "McCain was the ultimate moderate who lost, and look where that got us" meme is tiresome.

I just have to add as well-- the people flogging the "McCain was the Messiah of Moderation and look what happened!" meme are generally doing it as an excuse for the current GOP strategy of huddling in its bunker and pandering to their hardcore base, rather than looking at itself and figuring out what it can do to actually attract more votes.

This "McCain wuz a moderate" meme is being used to excuse the current GOP strategy of turning its back on trying to appeal to independents, centrists, and moderates.

350 zulubaby  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:11:47am

How come Joel was banned?

351 SixDegrees  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:14:05am

re: #347 iceweasel

And it's worth noting that that McCain of 2008 was a LOT less centrist or moderate than the McCain of 2000.

It's also worth noting that he only lost by a 7% margin in the popular vote, despite being outspent several times over by a candidate who was constantly boosted in the media, and despite having Bush's lack of popularity hung around his neck, not to mention a campaign that was, to be polite, lackluster at best.

Primaries are won by appealing to extremes; elections are won by appealing to the middle. Go chasing after the zealots during election season, and you'll find yourself marginalized right out of existence.

352 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:14:38am

It's not about the positions, it's about the way the message is getting out.

353 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:15:14am
354 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:19:32am
355 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:20:13am

I also wonder how many lefties voted McCain in the primaries because they saw him as beatable. While states have laws that allow cross over nominations, and I am all for state rights, it is still a federal election.

356 haakondahl  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:20:38am

re: #225 iceweasel

I'm good! Haven't seen you in ages! I think we've been on different LGF shifts.

I do have a semi-interesting story. I got some flowers today, and the card says:

Dearest [iceweasel],
Happy Fourth! I hope you have a wonderful weekend.
Love, [joe].

Problem: I have an ex named Joe, and a friend named Joe. I have no idea who sent these, or why.

Well I have no idea who, but I can guess why.

My suggestion? Whichever one woould turn out to be a better reality, simply thank for the flowers. If he protests that it's not him, or otherwise waffles, say you received some without *any* ID info, but assumed it was him. This way, if it's not him, you've given as little information as possible. If it is him, yay.

/Or however your wiring tells you to proceed :-)

357 rightside  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:21:30am

Morning Lizards.

358 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:23:54am
359 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:28:58am

'Night, Sharmuta! :-)

'Morning, zulubaby! :-)

I don't know who Joel is... :-/

360 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:29:45am

re: #353 Iron Fist

Hi Iron Fist, hope you're okay today.

What is your perscription for victory (I will keep in mind that you are neither conservative nor Republican)?

Well, remember I'm also not a Democrat, and I'm moveable in terms of conservatism with a small c. My prescription isn't ideologically motivated.

I don't see any of this, or most of this, coming to pass, but this would be my ideal prescription if I were a polotical consultant/strategist:

Fiscal conservatism is, in my mind, the single biggest issue where the GOP -- or somebody-- could really change the political landscape. So that's what needs to be emphasised most.

I'd agree with you in re: second amendment issues, standing firm on those or moving further right. That's what the TN GOP is doing right now, in that article I'd mentioned to you-- they see it as a winning strategy for 2010, and my guess is they're completely right.

In re: abortion: the GOP should give up the anti-abortion plank. The fact is it's a loser. That debate is over; Roe v Wade will not be overturned. I think the GOP could pick up a lot of people by rebranding itself as the party of women and children: stress ways to reduce or eliminate the need for abortion by increasing access to birth control/education, and brand themselves as the party that really cares about women and their children-- especially by focussing on children's health, education issues, and the like.

Gay marriage-- another losing issue. It's going to happen one day. The GOP doesn't need to support it, for all the reasons you mention-- but they should stop running on opposition to it. the world has changed. Even young evangelicals aren't as worried about gay marriage or gay people in general as people were in the 80's- early 90's.

In short: a move to fiscal conservatism, a general shift to the left or center in issues involving social conservatism, and double down on the second amendment. That'd be my advice. For what it's worth.
I think a party along those lines would be attractive to a helluva lot of people right now.

361 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:30:54am

re: #358 Slumbering Behemoth

G'nite Lizards.

Wal-Mart Supports Obama Health Care Plan

IIRC, Wal-Mart doesn't offer health care to most employees, so they would naturally support President Hopeandchange. Then again, weren't they the first to offer $4 generic scripts?

362 wahabicorridor  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:31:29am

zulubaby!

good lord child, where have you been?

sharmuta - before you go - that piece on using DNA to determine bird feather colors you posted on the spinoffs was very cool, thanks.

Ok, this is a drive by but I MUST tell you about the piece I saw on French TV last night. It was supposedly a 'health' segment' and it focused on Sweden. It was about a newly diagnosed psychiatric disorder called 'persistent refusal disorder' that occurs only in the children of families that have been refused asylum in Sweden. They showed two kids from an Asian family (perhaps Vietnamese?) - a girl about 6 and a boy about 10 sitting on a sofa with their knees drawn up to their faces. Then they showed the mother feeding the son in bed via a tube and a syringe. Unfortunately, the camera work really sucked and what was supposed to look like a tube into the trachea was obviously wrapped around the boy's neck and under his shoulder.

It was the most amazingly blatant piece of propaganda I've ever seen.

Trust the French to air it.

363 haakondahl  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:33:16am

re: #353 Iron Fist

I've explained in detail the positions on which I see that the GOP needs to stand firm or even move right. What is your perscription for victory (I will keep in mind that you are neither conservative nor Republican)? If we are supposed to "moderate" to appeal to the Center, on what issues do we moderate?

We don't even need to moderate on positions as much as we need to be willing to publicly argue with our kooks for the kooks they are.

Michele Bachmann seems to be going over the edge, and may have a long time ago, but there's something fresh about her kookiness. I don't hear any establishment Republicans calling her out, and therefore she is speaking for all of us. On Alex Jones.

I resisted the urge to purge until the 2008 elections were over. I stayed supportive because vote-splitting, second-guessing, and third-partyism are no recipe for success. Well, we lost, and now the third-partyists are eating our lunch, both inside and ouotside the tent. Now, when we are already lying on the mat with three of a ten count, is no time to coach the footwork of party discipline.

We have been handed crushing defeats in rapid series, there are identifiable reasons for it, and the only reasons the Republican party can exercise control over are found within the party. We're not in very good shape to go yelling 'Kook!' at the leftist wierdos if we won't extirpate our own.

364 SixDegrees  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:36:17am

re: #354 Iron Fist

Elections are won by holding your base and appealing to the Center. McCain would have lost in a landslide had he not picked Palin. Palin was enormously popular with the base. Her being on the tick reassured many people who, for various reasons, did not trust McCCain.

I've seen plenty of analyses that suggest exactly the opposite - that Palin wound up driving more moderate voters into the Obama camp who otherwise would have stuck with McCain. In the end, I think Palin was a wash and changed nothing.

Sharm is exactly right about the GOP - the Dems have co-opted fiscal responsibility from them as an issue, and they have eight years of drunken-sailor-style spending to point to as evidence, which is going to be a real issue for the GOP to overcome.

The growing power of theocrats within the GOP is another disaster. This really came to a head when Tom DeLay embarked on an odious, hate-filled intrusion into the Schiavo family's personal affairs that sent a cold chill down the spines of anyone caring for disabled or enfeebled family members, or who knew anyone in that position. DeLay and others on the extreme right burned down most of the Conservative platform - the part that says government ought to stay the hell out of it's citizen's personal business - in their zeal and eagerness to lick the asses of the Taliban-esque fundamentalist Christocrats who are increasingly in charge of the GOP. Their vision of America is terrifying, and as far from Conservatism as it is possible to be, even more so than the agendas pursued by off-the-deep-end Leftards like those from ANSWER.

365 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:37:54am

re: #356 haakondahl

Well I have no idea who, but I can guess why.

My suggestion? Whichever one woould turn out to be a better reality, simply thank for the flowers. If he protests that it's not him, or otherwise waffles, say you received some without *any* ID info, but assumed it was him. This way, if it's not him, you've given as little information as possible. If it is him, yay.

/Or however your wiring tells you to proceed :-)

I really don't want to hurt my ex's feelings, if it's not from him and I thank him. We're amicable (obviously) but I think there would be residual jealousy.

So I think I'll ask the friend if he sent them. We really are just friends-- he just gets a little sentimental at times. That kind of note is something he could write. He knows I have an ex with the same first name.

If it's my ex though it's kind of weird, in that I haven't talked to him in a couple of months. But he does still send me flowers randomly on holidays sometimes.

I'm really kind of irritated with the florist. All i need them to do is confirm a name and they won't do it.

366 scion9  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:39:00am

re: #341 iceweasel

"It tells us about how Americans view religion," said Penny Edgell, an associate sociology professor and the study's lead researcher. "Many Americans seem to believe some kind of religious faith is central to being a good American and a good person."

That data shows no such thing. That is pure spin. I am an atheist, and term myself such. I know few other atheists from my personal assocations that I wouldn't also apply the title anti-theist bigots to as well. Can we get a poll as to who is lower on the sociological totem pole; people who hate Christians or people who hate blacks?

From the article, the common atheist view:

"I know atheists aren't studied that much as a sociological group, but I guess atheists are one of the last groups remaining that it's still socially acceptable to hate," Foley said.

Ridiculous rhetoric much? I've experience practically no real bigotry as an atheist. I am not a victim. How do I avoid such vicious persecution?

I don't unequivocally state, with great zeal and as frequently as possible, such things as, or engage in such behavior as:

1. People who believe in God are clearly delusional and should be treated for mental illness.
2. People who believe in God shouldn't be able to engage in political discourse or hold public office.
3. Pretend to engage in worship of fairies or the Flying Spaghetti Monster in a mocking fashion.
4. Roll my eyes, or derisively chuckle at any espousing of faith.

All of which are quite common. I understand when Christians, and other religious groups are assholes because of perceived group identity, or theology dictates that they take action. Atheism is not my granfalloon. I'm not a member of a group defined by my lack of belief in something that is victimized and discriminated against. The entire concept is ridiculous, yet it is so. Being an 'atheist' has a lot of baggage in America largely because so many self-described atheists are religio-political activists and openly bigoted and want to claim people like me as a member. No thanks.

Why do so many make the distinction between being 'without religion' and being atheist? Are they Deists (although, that qualification is still 'with religion' in my opinion)? I doubt it. They are probably just like me and avoid the title because of not wanting to claim membership in a group. In fact, many of them I'm sure are atheists on the backs of wanting to avoid group affiliation such as organized religions!

I don't think it's such a bad idea to not have signs that say "Merry Christmas" in a public school, but rather "Happy Holidays" or something suitably religion-neutral.

But only in December right? What about all of my Pagan holidays that happen in high Summer? Am I being oppressed because the Happy Holidays sign goes up and comes down specifically around Christmas?

What of the Pledge of Allegiance, Thanksgiving, President's Day, MLK's birthday, Black (American) History Month and other oppressive symbols of nationalism? Some of them are already gone from schools in my area from what I understand.

What harm does a construction paper Menorah or Christmas tree really cause? I can find offense at anything if I really try and protest accordingly. To find offense in a Merry Christmas sign at Christmas, I do really have to try and I'm sure an 8 year old will have to put in even more effort into a good seething.

367 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:41:34am
368 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:41:56am

re: #364 SixDegrees

I've seen plenty of analyses that suggest exactly the opposite - that Palin wound up driving more moderate voters into the Obama camp who otherwise would have stuck with McCain. In the end, I think Palin was a wash and changed nothing.

Sharm is exactly right about the GOP - the Dems have co-opted fiscal responsibility from them as an issue, and they have eight years of drunken-sailor-style spending to point to as evidence, which is going to be a real issue for the GOP to overcome.

The growing power of theocrats within the GOP is another disaster. This really came to a head when Tom DeLay embarked on an odious, hate-filled intrusion into the Schiavo family's personal affairs that sent a cold chill down the spines of anyone caring for disabled or enfeebled family members, or who knew anyone in that position. DeLay and others on the extreme right burned down most of the Conservative platform - the part that says government ought to stay the hell out of it's citizen's personal business - in their zeal and eagerness to lick the asses of the Taliban-esque fundamentalist Christocrats who are increasingly in charge of the GOP. Their vision of America is terrifying, and as far from Conservatism as it is possible to be, even more so than the agendas pursued by off-the-deep-end Leftards like those from ANSWER.

Completely agree with everything here. I've seen analyses that pinpoint the Schiavo circus as a watershed moment for the GOP. It scared the hell out of real conservatives and many moderates and independents. I think that might have been when I first heard the term "American Taliban" to describe those people.

And for every member of the base who hailed Palin, there was always at least one person driven away from the ticket by her selection.

369 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:42:18am

India has decriminalized homosexual acts.

370 haakondahl  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:42:34am

re: #365 iceweasel

I really don't want to hurt my ex's feelings, if it's not from him and I thank him. We're amicable (obviously) but I think there would be residual jealousy.

So I think I'll ask the friend if he sent them. We really are just friends-- he just gets a little sentimental at times. That kind of note is something he could write. He knows I have an ex with the same first name.

If it's my ex though it's kind of weird, in that I haven't talked to him in a couple of months. But he does still send me flowers randomly on holidays sometimes.

I'm really kind of irritated with the florist. All i need them to do is confirm a name and they won't do it.

Sorry, but the position of the amicable ex is dynamically unstable, because there is no right to jealousy. It's a sucker's deal, acceptable only as a holding action until a more advantageous position can be had. If there is jealousy, then there is not amicability.

371 SixDegrees  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:43:35am

re: #367 Iron Fist

You know, I was following you OK until this:


You need a refresher course as to what the Taliban are like. Comparing anyone in the United States to the Taliban is a pretty big stretch. Really, a new corollary to Godwin's Law.

It isn't a stretch at all. Both groups want exactly the same thing - a state-imposed theocracy. The only difference between the two is the tactics employed.

372 wahabicorridor  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:43:38am

re: #363 haakondahl

Michele Bachmann seems to be going over the edge,

She has been a huge disappointment to me. So much of what she says/thinks is spot on - and then she just walks off the cliff

373 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:46:19am

re: #370 haakondahl

Sorry, but the position of the amicable ex is dynamically unstable, because there is no right to jealousy. It's a sucker's deal, acceptable only as a holding action until a more advantageous position can be had. If there is jealousy, then there is not amicability.

Well, we talk infrequently right now. Mind you, I'm not saying that there IS jealousy on his part, more that I think he'd feel a small twinge and I'd like to spare him that.

(BTW, he's dealt very well with me seeing other people since the breakup, so it's not like that. I have this idea, perhaps unfounded, that this would hurt his feelings though, if I thank him and it's the wrong guy)

Meh, I'm sure i'm worrying about this a lot more than I need to.

374 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:50:18am

Burn Notice has a marathon today!

375 rightside  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:51:17am

re: #374 MandyManners

My daughter loves that show!

376 jvic  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:51:27am

Human judges can show mercy. But against the laws of nature, there is no appeal.

— Arthur C. Clarke

For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled.

-- Richard Feynman (after the entirely avoidable Challenger disaster)

Heh. This wasn't meant to be relevant to the GOP discussion, but on second thought it might be.

377 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:52:03am

re: #372 wahabicorridor

She has been a huge disappointment to me. So much of what she says/thinks is spot on - and then she just walks off the cliff


So many recently start off talking consevative values. But they keep talking and eventually, true colors come to the surface. But I would rather it comes out early, as opposed to having buyers remorse.

378 haakondahl  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:52:33am

re: #366 scion9

I've experience practically no real bigotry as an atheist. I am not a victim. How do I avoid such vicious persecution?

I don't unequivocally state, with great zeal and as frequently as possible, such things as, or engage in such behavior as:

1. People who believe in God are clearly delusional and should be treated for mental illness.
2. People who believe in God shouldn't be able to engage in political discourse or hold public office.
3. Pretend to engage in worship of fairies or the Flying Spaghetti Monster in a mocking fashion.
4. Roll my eyes, or derisively chuckle at any espousing of faith.

All of which are quite common. I understand when Christians, and other religious groups are assholes because of perceived group identity, or theology dictates that they take action. Atheism is not my granfalloon. I'm not a member of a group defined by my lack of belief in something that is victimized and discriminated against. The entire concept is ridiculous, yet it is so. Being an 'atheist' has a lot of baggage in America largely because so many self-described atheists are religio-political activists and openly bigoted and want to claim people like me as a member. No thanks.

Spot on, man! The "Atheists" so hated are not hated because of their religion or lack thereof. They are hated in return for their own childish tantrums of hatred, the bile directed at anything religious, and the flamingly ironic martyr-complex behavior: the yearning to be crucified for their lack of faith.

379 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:53:37am

re: #374 MandyManners

Burn Notice has a marathon today!

Boo, those bastards have taken away my 3:30am serving of Wings!

380 scion9  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:53:38am

re: #371 SixDegrees

It isn't a stretch at all. Both groups want exactly the same thing - a state-imposed theocracy. The only difference between the two is the tactics employed.

I hope you employ those same standards of logic on all things and expect to be held to them in the future.

381 haakondahl  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:54:43am

re: #373 iceweasel

Well, we talk infrequently right now. Mind you, I'm not saying that there IS jealousy on his part, more that I think he'd feel a small twinge and I'd like to spare him that.

(BTW, he's dealt very well with me seeing other people since the breakup, so it's not like that. I have this idea, perhaps unfounded, that this would hurt his feelings though, if I thank him and it's the wrong guy)

Meh, I'm sure i'm worrying about this a lot more than I need to.

So then the other guy? And you may not need to respond at all. I'm not finding the appropriate response to "Vaguely Romantic Independence Day Bouquet" in my Pip-Boy.

382 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:55:40am

re: #378 haakondahl

Spot on, man! The "Atheists" so hated are not hated because of their religion or lack thereof. They are hated in return for their own childish tantrums of hatred, the bile directed at anything religious, and the flamingly ironic martyr-complex behavior: the yearning to be crucified for their lack of faith.


Who? Where? Apart from the Newdow guy mentioned, I don't know anyone on the public scene who fits this.

383 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:57:14am

re: #381 haakondahl

So then the other guy? And you may not need to respond at all. I'm not finding the appropriate response to "Vaguely Romantic Independence Day Bouquet" in my Pip-Boy.

Haha-- yeah, that's what I'll call it. My Independence Day bouquet.

I've been thinking of saying nothing til someone mentions it. It's rude, but I am lazy.

384 haakondahl  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 3:58:42am

re: #371 SixDegrees

It isn't a stretch at all. Both groups want exactly the same thing - a state-imposed theocracy. The only difference between the two is the tactics employed.

This like saying that there is no difference between Churchill and Hitler because both wanted things run well and to win the war.

385 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:02:31am

re: #379 TheMatrix31

Boo, those bastards have taken away my 3:30am serving of Wings!

Donovan's hot. So's Campbell. Heck, so's Anwar.

386 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:05:08am

re: #375 rightside

My daughter loves that show!

You've given her good taste.

387 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:05:42am

re: #371 SixDegrees

It isn't a stretch at all. Both groups want exactly the same thing - a state-imposed theocracy. The only difference between the two is the tactics employed.

Are you talking about Dominionists?

388 jvic  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:08:07am

re: #367 Iron Fist

You know, I was following you OK until this:
re: #364 SixDegrees

You know, I was following you OK until this:

Taliban-esque fundamentalist Christocrats

You need a refresher course as to what the Taliban are like. Comparing anyone in the United States to the Taliban is a pretty big stretch. Really, a new corollary to Godwin's Law.

SixDegrees, I updinged your post because it adds value to the discussion, not because I agree with everything in it.

However, with respect, 'Talibanesque Christocrats' is a bridge too far.

389 haakondahl  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:08:36am

re: #382 iceweasel

Who? Where? Apart from the Newdow guy mentioned, I don't know anyone on the public scene who fits this.

Perhaps you'll allow me to beg off by saying that in my personal experience, I have never *in America* seen such sneering scorn and intolerance for differing views as from the loud, big-A "Atheists" of both the left (examples to be found reciting poetry about angry anatomy) and the right (examples include Ayn Rand's more strident devotees).
That said, my whole point, and a big part of Scion9's point, is that those people are not hated for their Atheism per se, but for their ill manners.

390 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:11:21am

re: #389 haakondahl

Perhaps you'll allow me to beg off by saying that in my personal experience, I have never *in America* seen such sneering scorn and intolerance for differing views as from the loud, big-A "Atheists" of both the left (examples to be found reciting poetry about angry anatomy) and the right (examples include Ayn Rand's more strident devotees).
That said, my whole point, and a big part of Scion9's point, is that those people are not hated for their Atheism per se, but for their ill manners.

Well, I consider both those groups (the angry poetry reciters and the Randians) to not be representative of atheists as a whole. Perhaps they're just the ones getting the publicity? (I blame Bill O'reilly for some of that)

391 haakondahl  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:13:18am

One need not look any further than LGF for some screaming, flying-spittle, all caps [shift1} bad manners from people without religion toward people with religion.
Likewise as well. The problem with so much of the agnostic or atheist crowd is a conceit of rational thought. This is an admirable goal, but a dubious claim.

392 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:13:33am

re: #388 jvic

SixDegrees, I updinged your post because it adds value to the discussion, not because I agree with everything in it.

However, with respect, 'Talibanesque Christocrats' is a bridge too far.

My guess is that SixDegrees was referring to people like the Dominionists, that small fringe that genuinely does want a theocracy-- not to the average Christian or even the average member of the religious right.

That's how I interpreted him, anyway.

393 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:14:38am

re: #391 haakondahl

The problem with so much of the agnostic or atheist crowd is a conceit of rational thought. This is an admirable goal, but a dubious claim.

Can you clarify what you mean by this? (I'm not following)

394 Mithrax  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:16:06am

Sigh.

I think I need more coffee to follow this discussion.

Just what are you discussing?

395 haakondahl  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:18:30am

re: #390 iceweasel

Well, I consider both those groups (the angry poetry reciters and the Randians) to not be representative of atheists as a whole. Perhaps they're just the ones getting the publicity? (I blame Bill O'reilly for some of that)


Right. That's my point, and I think a big part of Scion9's. But like my earlier point about Michele Bachmann's lack of resistance from within the Republican party, those people make people who are perhaps more humble, or at least less strident, about their lack of faith (such as myself, I hope) are getting hit with the same "HEATHEN!" stick. The problem is only partially on the stick-wielders' part.

I cry no tears for "the last group of people it is acceptable to hate" in most cases, because a statement like that is usually your lottery winning ticket to victimhood status.
Some are justified, but until we start seeing Objectivists strung up by their ankles, or coffee-shop Kantians beheaded, statements equating the Taliban and the Christians in America are pure horseshit.

396 Mithrax  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:18:36am

Dammit. killed another thread.

Guess I'll have to get my lazy ass up and get that coffee....

397 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:18:44am

The U.S. administration has not been successful in securing commitments from Arab countries to take steps toward normalizing relations with Israel, a senior source in Jerusalem said Wednesday.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Well of course not, this is reality, not Fantasy Land in Orlando. No matter what Obama might think.

398 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:19:59am

North Korea test-fired two short-range missiles Thursday, South Korea's Defense Ministry said, a move that aggravates the already high tensions following Pyongyang's recent nuclear test and U.N. sanctions imposed as punishment.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

America's new approach to world is working so well

399 Ateam  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:20:19am

re: #369 MandyManners

India has decriminalized homosexual acts.

More practicle wonder is when they'll decriminalized ganja? [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

400 haakondahl  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:20:54am

Sorry gotsta go for at least a coupla hours. Meetings. Dull ones.

401 jvic  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:22:55am

re: #392 iceweasel

My guess is that SixDegrees was referring to people like the Dominionists, that small fringe that genuinely does want a theocracy-- not to the average Christian or even the average member of the religious right.

That's how I interpreted him, anyway.

While I'm furious about the theocratic agenda that has been injected into the GOP, IMO I hope that SixDegrees exaggerates with "Taliban-esque fundamentalist Christocrats who are increasingly in charge of the GOP". Unfortunately he's no longer logged in to clarify what he means.

402 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:23:41am

re: #395 haakondahl

You might like this...I posted it the other day, but I love it. It has application to so many on both the right and the left, and on the atheism/religion issue too:


Just Say No

He took offense.

It started out in college. You know, just experimenting with it. But he liked it. He liked how it made him feel.

For a while it was just recreational -- weekends and parties and rallies and that kind of thing. But soon he was hanging out with some pretty hard-core users, with the kind of people who took offense all the time. They didn't need a reason or an excuse, it was just what they did. It was who they were. Soon he found he couldn't get through the day without it.

Over the years he even learned to grow his own, to take the tiniest seeds of umbrage and nurture them into full-grown pretexts for outrage. The good stuff.

Some of his old friends tried to stage an intervention -- to convince him that he had a problem, that his whole life had become consumed by his addiction.

He didn't respond well. He just took more offense -- right there in front of them.

Addicts, he told them, are always chasing diminishing returns. They're always needing more and stronger drugs to provide an ever-smaller high. But the stuff he was taking didn't work like that. His highs just kept getting stronger and stronger no matter how flimsy or insignificant the reason.

You're not trying to help me, he screamed at them. You're just jealous. And he yelled at them some more, trying to get them to take offense too.

They wouldn't touch it, of course, and just left quietly, looking sad. He took a hit of offense at that and sat back on the couch. They think I've got a problem, he thought, but they're the ones with a problem. Ohh. He inhaled deeply. Yes, yes that's it. His eyelids fluttered. It's because I'm better than them, better than all of them ...

Four days later his landlord called the police, saying there was an offensive smell drifting into the hallway. They found him there on the couch.

The official report from the medical examiner said it was an overdose.

403 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:23:59am

I've been watching comments for a few minutes. Been trying to time my way in like we're doing double dutch.

Screw it.

Good Morning Y'all!

Haak! I love you man, but sometimes your posts read like stereo instructions.

404 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:26:34am

re: #403 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey FBV, what's up? Good to see you!

405 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:28:08am

re: #404 iceweasel

What's happening, Baby?

406 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:29:42am

re: #405 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What's happening, Baby?

Nuthin much. How are you?

I'm reading this Vanity Fair hitpiece on Palin. Yow. It's harsh.

407 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:29:52am

re: #399 Ateam

More practicle wonder is when they'll decriminalized ganja? [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Does India make its own HoHos and Twinkies?

408 opnion  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:31:44am

Good Morning all. Doesn't the deposed President of Honduras go before the UN today.
Poor man, all he wanted to do is usurp the Constitution & create a Chavez style dictatorship.

409 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:31:45am

Whoa. Saturday Night Fever is on AMC. Looks like Burn Notice has some competition.

410 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:32:08am

re: #408 opnion

Good Morning all. Doesn't the deposed President of Honduras go before the UN today.
Poor man, all he wanted to do is usurp the Constitution & create a Chavez style dictatorship.

And he has our support? Go figure.

411 jvic  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:33:27am

re: #403 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Haak! I love you man, but sometimes your posts read like stereo instructions.

I don't need no steenking instructions. My feelings teach me the way. /

412 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:35:25am

re: #408 opnion

Good Morning all. Doesn't the deposed President of Honduras go before the UN today.
Poor man, all he wanted to do is usurp the Constitution & create a Chavez style dictatorship.

re: #410 Nevergiveup

And he has our support? Go figure.

I bet more of FCBBHO's energy is being directed toward exploiting this crisis than the slaughter in Iran.

413 Ateam  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:37:43am

re: #407 MandyManners

re: #399 Ateam

I figure up that a 1.1 billion inner market can supply all goods (and also export a little)...


More practicle wonder is when they'll decriminalized ganja? [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]


Does India make its own HoHos and Twinkies?
414 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:38:39am

re: #413 Ateam

Are HoHos and Twinkies vegan?

415 Ateam  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:40:12am

re: #414 MandyManners

re: #413 Ateam

Are HoHos and Twinkies vegan?

Better be organic

How is your mother?

416 opnion  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:40:29am

re: #410 Nevergiveup

And he has our support? Go figure.

Yeah, Obama won't meddle in Iran, but jumps right in to support a Chavez wannabe.

417 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:41:22am

re: #415 Ateam

Better be organic

How is your mother?

She's still in ICU, still on the ventilator. But, she's slowly getting better.

418 CIA Reject  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:41:42am

re: #416 opnion

Yeah, Obama won't meddle in Iran, but jumps right in to support a Chavez wannabe.

Some days I think Obama is a Chavez wannabe.

Good morning all!

419 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:42:16am

re: #416 opnion

Yeah, Obama won't meddle in Iran, but jumps right in to support a Chavez wannabe.

Keep that in mind if someone tells you that FCBBHO's not a far leftist!

420 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:42:42am

re: #417 MandyManners

She's still in ICU, still on the ventilator. But, she's slowly getting better.

I'm glad to hear that Mandy. Best wishes to you all.

421 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:42:44am

re: #418 CIA Reject

Some days I think Obama is a Chavez wannabe.

Good morning all!

Well he certainly seems to have more in common with Chavez than with me?

422 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:43:08am

re: #418 CIA Reject

Some days I think Obama is a Chavez wannabe.

Good morning all!

FCBBO's a little bit smoother.

423 opnion  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:43:15am

re: #412 MandyManners

I bet more of FCBBHO's energy is being directed toward exploiting this crisis than the slaughter in Iran.

Slaughter in Iran, what Slaughter? BHO respects Irans soverignty to shoot & hang those that disagree with the Mullahs.
We have never had a president quite like this before.

424 Gella  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:43:22am

good morning lizards :)
how are you this early morning?

425 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:43:25am

re: #420 iceweasel

Thank you!

426 3 wood  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:43:49am

Good morning.

Look for the market to open lower in anticipation of the unemployment rate likely to continue climbing.

re: #364 SixDegrees


So I skim through the earlier posts and find this.

The growing power of theocrats within the GOP is another disaster. This really came to a head when Tom DeLay embarked on an odious, hate-filled intrusion into the Schiavo family's personal affairs that sent a cold chill down the spines of anyone caring for disabled or enfeebled family members, or who knew anyone in that position. DeLay and others on the extreme right burned down most of the Conservative platform - the part that says government ought to stay the hell out of it's citizen's personal business - in their zeal and eagerness to lick the asses of the Taliban-esque fundamentalist Christocrats who are increasingly in charge of the GOP. Their vision of America is terrifying, and as far from Conservatism as it is possible to be, even more so than the agendas pursued by off-the-deep-end Leftards like those from ANSWER.


Wow.

I guess I missed where Christian members of the GOP are decapitating people on camera, hanging people in public, setting IED's at road sides, and the like.

427 CIA Reject  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:43:55am

re: #421 Nevergiveup

re: #422 MandyManners

So maybe Chavez is an Obama wannabe?

428 opnion  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:44:11am

re: #418 CIA Reject

Some days I think Obama is a Chavez wannabe.

Good morning all!

Chavez joked that Obama is to the left of he & Fidel.

429 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:44:36am

re: #416 opnion

Yeah, Obama won't meddle in Iran, but jumps right in to support a Chavez wannabe.

President Hopeandchange sees himself as the leader of those leaders.

430 3 wood  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:44:57am

re: #417 MandyManners

She's still in ICU, still on the ventilator. But, she's slowly getting better.

Glad she's improving.

Keep talking to her as much as you can.

431 Ateam  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:45:06am

re: #418 CIA Reject

Till now, Those Cabala's beach boys i told u about, included her in the last 3 sessions. They say it,s better to know her first name.

432 3 wood  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:45:21am

Got to go to work. Later.

433 opnion  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:45:28am

re: #419 MandyManners

Keep that in mind if someone tells you that FCBBHO's not a far leftist!

Kirsten Powers was selling that on FNC last night, talking about Obama disappointing the Left.

434 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:46:07am

re: #433 opnion

Have you ever met anyone more deserving of disappointment?

435 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:46:47am

re: #423 opnion

Slaughter in Iran, what Slaughter? BHO respects Irans soverignty to shoot & hang those that disagree with the Mullahs.
We have never had a president quite like this before.

How vigorously was Pres. GHW Bush's response to Tiananmen Square?

436 CIA Reject  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:47:54am

re: #428 opnion

Chavez joked that Obama is to the left of he & Fidel.

Heh- guess that makes Chavez the latest victim of ODS huh? :-)

/He's probably a registered Republican by now...

437 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:47:59am

re: #426 3 wood

Good morning.

Look for the market to open lower in anticipation of the unemployment rate likely to continue climbing.


So I skim through the earlier posts and find this.


Wow.

I guess I missed where Christian members of the GOP are decapitating people on camera, hanging people in public, setting IED's at road sides, and the like.

Minor details!

438 Ateam  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:48:25am

Ooops
re: #417 MandyManners

Till now, Those Cabala's beach boys i told u about, included her in the last 3 sessions. They say it,s better to know her first name.

439 opnion  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:48:26am

re: #429 Cannadian Club Akbar

President Hopeandchange sees himself as the leader of those leaders.

I think that you are right. Somebody needs to remind him that the U.S President is supposed to look out for Americas interest.
During the campaign I thought that BHO intended to punish this country & he has done nothing to disuade that thought.

440 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:49:04am

re: #427 CIA Reject

re: #422 MandyManners

So maybe Chavez is an Obama wannabe?

Timing isn't right.

441 opnion  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:49:40am

re: #435 MandyManners

How vigorously was Pres. GHW Bush's response to Tiananmen Square?

I actually don't recall. My guess is that his response wasn't very strong?

442 Rustler  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:50:16am

re: #412 MandyManners
While making the Coffee this morning I heard the Former President coming out now in support of Moussavi? I'm assuming they mean Rafsanjani when they talk about the former president but gave no name. I also heard in a related but separate bit of news a couple pots(coffee you damn stoners) later that Moussavi supporters are now being hung any truth to these statements to be had this morning? Don't have a lot of time today to do my own research.

443 Rustler  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:51:07am

re: #414 MandyManners
Thinkies aren't animal or vegetable they are pure paradox.

444 opnion  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:51:07am

re: #422 MandyManners

FCBBO's a little bit smoother.

Not off of teleprmpter, "uh, er uh"

445 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:52:12am

re: #430 3 wood

Glad she's improving.

Keep talking to her as much as you can.

Thanks! I've been once because there's no one to watch The Kid and the rules prohibit kids his age. ICU is a very intense place.

446 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:53:12am

re: #433 opnion

Kirsten Powers was selling that on FNC last night, talking about Obama disappointing the Left.

There are many criticisms of Obama coming from the left. Naturally you don't find these covered in the MSM so much (The WaPo, btw, recently fired the only blogger they had who was consistently presenting harsh criticisms of Obama from the left.)

447 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:53:12am

re: #433 opnion

Kirsten Powers was selling that on FNC last night, talking about Obama disappointing the Left.

I'm sure he's done so on some issues but, his overall push is leftward, extremely leftward.

448 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:53:54am
449 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:54:14am

re: #445 MandyManners

Thanks! I've been once because there's no one to watch The Kid and the rules prohibit kids his age. ICU is a very intense place.

ICU is a rough place for kids to visit, for sure.

450 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:54:44am

re: #361 Cannadian Club Akbar

IIRC, Wal-Mart doesn't offer health care to most employees, so they would naturally support President Hopeandchange. Then again, weren't they the first to offer $4 generic scripts?

Wouldn't Wal-Mart supporting 0bama's program cause liberals heads to explode? Wal-Mart seems to be anti-everything the far left is for.

451 Rustler  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:54:45am

re: #447 MandyManners He's only disappointing to the left because he makes them feel like part of the right by comparison.

452 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:55:00am

re: #438 Ateam

Ooops


Till now, Those Cabala's beach boys i told u about, included her in the last 3 sessions. They say it,s better to know her first name.

Thank you! Please, thank them for me. (Her first initial is "M". That's all I feel comfortable giving out.)

453 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:55:04am

re: #449 iceweasel

ICU is a rough place for kids to visit, for sure.

454 opnion  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:56:18am

re: #426 3 wood

Good morning.

Look for the market to open lower in anticipation of the unemployment rate likely to continue climbing.


So I skim through the earlier posts and find this.


Wow.

I guess I missed where Christian members of the GOP are decapitating people on camera, hanging people in public, setting IED's at road sides, and the like.


THe moral equivilency arguement between Fundamentalist Christisns & the Taliban is pretty thin.
I really don't care what anyone believes as long as they don't try to impose it.

455 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:56:29am

re: #439 opnion

I think that you are right. Somebody needs to remind him that the U.S President is supposed to look out for Americas interest.
During the campaign I thought that BHO intended to punish this country & he has done nothing to disuade that thought.

And, our allies, be they nations or those rebelling against oppression.

456 Ateam  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:56:37am

re: #452 MandyManners

I'll tell them.

457 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:57:23am

re: #441 opnion

I actually don't recall. My guess is that his response wasn't very strong?

I don't recall much either but Wiki said he denounced it strongly and imposed sanctions.

458 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:57:29am

re: #453 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You got that right. Thanks, baby!

459 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:58:44am

re: #442 Rustler

While making the Coffee this morning I heard the Former President coming out now in support of Moussavi? I'm assuming they mean Rafsanjani when they talk about the former president but gave no name. I also heard in a related but separate bit of news a couple pots(coffee you damn stoners) later that Moussavi supporters are now being hung any truth to these statements to be had this morning? Don't have a lot of time today to do my own research.

Charles has a thread about it on the front page.

460 opnion  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:58:46am

re: #447 MandyManners

I'm sure he's done so on some issues but, his overall push is leftward, extremely leftward.

Hey, if I was on the Left I would consider the BHO presidency party time.
This is probably the first time that we have ever had a radical in the White House. Henry Wallce never got past VP.

461 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:59:18am

re: #457 MandyManners

I don't recall much either but Wiki said he denounced it strongly and imposed sanctions.

Wiki says he banned military sales and suspended visits.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

That's all I've seen so far.

462 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:59:26am

Gonna' make some coffee. bbiab

463 Rustler  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:59:27am

re: #450 soxfan4life Walmart is just anticipating its name change to HopeMart after the gubmint takes over. They trying to play nice to avoid taking it hard like those evil Crystler execs.

464 opnion  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:59:29am

re: #457 MandyManners

I don't recall much either but Wiki said he denounced it strongly and imposed sanctions.

Great, that is good to know.

465 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:00:15am

re: #450 soxfan4life

Wouldn't Wal-Mart supporting 0bama's program cause liberals heads to explode? Wal-Mart seems to be anti-everything the far left is for.

Yes, but when libs bitch about Wal-Mart, Wal-Mart can point and say, "See." I personally hate going to Wal-Mart but they serve more of a purpose then the left ever will.

466 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:00:48am

re: #463 Rustler

Like a "girlfriend" in prison. Just keep taking whatever is dished out so you don't get beat up beyond recognition.

I miss fluffy.

467 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:01:05am

re: #457 MandyManners


Here's a history of our official response to Tiananmen Square, notice the difference between President Bush and President Clinton.


[Link: www.gwu.edu...]

468 CIA Reject  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:01:19am

re: #457 MandyManners

I don't recall much either but Wiki said he denounced it strongly and imposed sanctions.

There was at least one foreign military sales contract that was canceled.

469 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:02:22am

re: #465 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yes, but when libs bitch about Wal-Mart, Wal-Mart can point and say, "See." I personally hate going to Wal-Mart but they serve more of a purpose then the left ever will.

What doesn't serve more of a purpose than the left? Even shit can be used for fertilizer.

470 Rustler  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:04:38am

re: #466 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Yeah I keep forgetting to bring him back contract disputes are over. Instead of an extra PETA member a day or the Laser beams attached to his head we have decided to hang a sign with a large lockbox that says doante a dollar today to swim and save a Sea kitten right outside his holding tank. Fluffy is gaining a lot of weight now.

471 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:05:16am
472 yochanan  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:05:50am

re: #2 Sharmuta

it is a korean eat dog world out there, just that in the north the dog is meatless.

473 Rustler  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:05:51am

re: #470 Rustler
Oddly enough the lockbox is still empty but I'm contemplating open a Goodwill store to sell all the shoes and shirts left outside.

474 Rustler  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:06:43am

re: #472 yochanan
MMMM Tagoge.

475 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:08:11am
476 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:08:53am

re: #469 soxfan4life

What doesn't serve more of a purpose than the left? Even shit can be used for fertilizer.


Don't tell the libs, they'll start saving their shit in an environmentally friendly bags.

477 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:09:14am

re: #467 soxfan4life

Here's a history of our official response to Tiananmen Square, notice the difference between President Bush and President Clinton.

[Link: www.gwu.edu...]

Great link! here we go:

In the days immediately following the crackdown, U.S. and Chinese officials were already sensitive to how recent events would impact the bilateral relationship. On June 5, President Bush had announced the imposition of a package of sanctions on China, to include "suspension of all government-to-government sales and commercial exports of weapons," and the "suspension of visits between U.S. and Chinese military leaders." Document 32, an embassy cable sent three weeks later, notes that a military official had lodged a formal complaint that "strongly protested recent U.S. military sanctions," and had canceled the planned visits of U.S. military officials. Embassy officials felt this to be a "measured response to U.S. sanctions," indicating that the official "did not adopt a confrontational attitude and emphasized that both sides should take a long-term view of the military relationship." Two days later, on June 29, the State Department prepared "Themes," (Document 33), in support of Undersecretary of State Lawrence Eagleburger and national security adviser Brent Scowcroft, who were to leave the next day on a secret trip to China to meet with Deng Xiaoping. "Themes" provided the framework for the discussions the two emissaries would have with Deng. It focused on the global strategic benefits of the U.S.-PRC relationship for both sides, the impact Chinese "internal affairs" could have on the relationship (characterizing the American people as being "shocked and repelled by much of what they have seen and read about recent events in China"), Bush's view of the importance of the long-term relationship between the US and PRC, and the impact that further repression could have on US relations with China. As Scowcroft later remembered, "The purpose of my trip ... was not negotiations--there was nothing yet to negotiate--but an effort to keep open the lines of communication."6

So, cancellations of visits and suspension of military sales.

478 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:09:18am

re: #460 opnion

Hey, if I was on the Left I would consider the BHO presidency party time.
This is probably the first time that we have ever had a radical in the White House. Henry Wallce never got past VP.


If they weren't so full of hatred it could be. Hard to be happy or joyful when you have nothing but hate in your heart.

479 Ateam  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:09:34am

re: #469 soxfan4life

re: #465 Cannadian Club Akbar

Fact is animals's manor is used in some societies as energy source, and also to construction.

What doesn't serve more of a purpose than the left? Even shit can be used for fertilizer.

480 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:09:37am
481 Rustler  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:10:41am

re: #474 Rustler
Bah Gaegogi not Ta lol Ta is chicken if I remember right.

482 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:12:45am

re: #474 Rustler

MMMM Tagoge.


Kegogi, isn't it?

483 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:12:51am

Good morning all. How was the night, and is the day treating you all well?

484 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:13:15am

re: #479 Ateam

In Florida, cow shit grows "happy mushrooms" when it is warm and rainy. Kinda like the last 7 days.

485 CIA Reject  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:13:24am

re: #478 soxfan4life

If they weren't so full of hatred it could be. Hard to be happy or joyful when you have nothing but hate in your heart.

Lust for power: Hate fueled by avarice. They have it all (White House, Congress, and many of the courts) yet there is never enough to satisfy...

486 opnion  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:14:11am

re: #478 soxfan4life

If they weren't so full of hatred it could be. Hard to be happy or joyful when you have nothing but hate in your heart.

That sums it up well. Liberals should be happy with this presidency.
IMO Obama is doing all that he can to move us toward a European style Socialist state, that the Left advocates for. If you are a liberal, what's not to like?

487 Rustler  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:15:18am

re: #482 soxfan4life
Yeah Kae or gae. When I was stationed in Korea we had the Vendors with meat on a stick. Could get beef chicken or dog. Ta was chicken bul was beef and Gae was dog took me a bit to get it all seperated in my head.

488 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:15:39am

re: #480 taxfreekiller

libs are shit bags


But President Bush's willingness to go along with the Congress on a drunken spending spree has to be a big reason for the super majority the liberals have now. As much as I dislike their policies, they played Bush perfectly, too bad Cheney wasn't able to reign him in.

489 Mithrax  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:15:43am

re: #483 BlueCanuck

Good morning all. How was the night, and is the day treating you all well?

Heya BC, all fireworked out now?

490 Ateam  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:16:39am

re: #484 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #479 Ateam

In Florida, cow shit grows "happy mushrooms" when it is warm and rainy. Kinda like the last 7 days.

Can U email me a sample (of d mushrooms, not shit)

491 yochanan  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:17:00am

Kegogi: Dog MeatIs a dish of rice and shredded DOG meat. That is right DOG meat! Need I say more! It is said to taste like what a wet dog smells like.

492 Mithrax  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:17:53am

re: #491 yochanan

Kegogi: Dog MeatIs a dish of rice and shredded DOG meat. That is right DOG meat! Need I say more! It is said to taste like what a wet dog smells like.

Have a corona with it, and you're getting the whole animal :P

493 flyers1974  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:18:13am

Good morning everyone.

494 opnion  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:18:16am

FNC reported this morning that the U.S military & the Taliban confirm that an American soldier was captured by "militants" in Afhanistan on Tuesday.
Oh, oh.

495 Rustler  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:18:43am

re: #482 soxfan4life
Beon-de-gi is pretty good allthough most people wont eat it once they realize what it is.

496 yochanan  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:18:46am

in china eating pussey has a totally different meaning as well.

497 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:19:01am

re: #487 Rustler

Yeah Kae or gae. When I was stationed in Korea we had the Vendors with meat on a stick. Could get beef chicken or dog. Ta was chicken bul was beef and Gae was dog took me a bit to get it all seperated in my head.

I remember the vendors selling Yakimandu and Bulgogi. Had some kind of fishburger when I was down in the south, it was very forgettable. Lots of Soju though, Sun was the best when it was served cold.

498 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:19:02am

re: #489 Mithrax

Heya BC, all fireworked out now?

Fireworks? Oh crap. I knew I was missing something yesterday....

499 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:19:18am

re: #486 opnion

If you are a liberal, what's not to like?

Lots.
The gay activists don't like the brief his DOJ filed in support of DOMA, nor his silence on DADT.

The civil liberties people are pissed over his stances on indefinite detention, the release of photos, the continuing of Bush policies (like keeping the WH visitors list secret) and more.

The environmentalists don't like cap & trade.

Etc.

All of which is good; every president should be subject to criticism from within his or her own party, as well as from the opposition.

500 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:19:21am

re: #494 opnion

(*puts away snide comment about Geneva Conventions*)

I'll pray for him.

501 yochanan  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:20:08am

re: #492 Mithrax

don't eat yellow snow.

502 CIA Reject  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:20:17am

re: #488 soxfan4life

But President Bush's willingness to go along with the Congress on a drunken spending spree has to be a big reason for the super majority the liberals have now. As much as I dislike their policies, they played Bush perfectly, too bad Cheney wasn't able to reign him in.

That was indeed a large part of President Bush's problem, but I think the biggest factor was his failure to communicate. He allowed the media to frame his presidency and they framed it very poorly.

His tacit acceptance of the characterization of the war in Iraq as a "war of convenience" was what damaged him the most- IMHO.

503 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:20:31am

re: #491 yochanan

Kegogi: Dog MeatIs a dish of rice and shredded DOG meat. That is right DOG meat! Need I say more! It is said to taste like what a wet dog smells like.

Hmmm, taste anything like fox?

/Yeah I have eaten a lot of interesting foods. :)

504 Rustler  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:20:31am

re: #491 yochanan Doesn't taste bad and it's not always just a dish of rice and dog meat. Often Gaegogi is used to refer to a soup made of dog meat. Gogi literally translates as cooked meat Gae/Kae means dog.

505 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:20:47am

re: #490 Ateam

Can U email me a sample (of d mushrooms, not shit)

506 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:20:53am

re: #494 opnion

FNC reported this morning that the U.S military & the Taliban confirm that an American soldier was captured by "militants" in Afhanistan on Tuesday.
Oh, oh.

I saw that. I'll keep him in my thoughts and prayers.

507 opnion  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:21:54am

re: #499 iceweasel

Lots.
The gay activists don't like the brief his DOJ filed in support of DOMA, nor his silence on DADT.

The civil liberties people are pissed over his stances on indefinite detention, the release of photos, the continuing of Bush policies (like keeping the WH visitors list secret) and more.

The environmentalists don't like cap & trade.

Etc.

All of which is good; every president should be subject to criticism from within his or her own party, as well as from the opposition.

I take youtr point, but still Obama is a pretty good get for Liberals.
Heck, Hugo Chavez endorses him.

508 opnion  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:23:02am

re: #506 MandyManners

I saw that. I'll keep him in my thoughts and prayers.


God help him.

509 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:23:07am

re: #507 opnion

I take youtr point, but still Obama is a pretty good get for Liberals.
Heck, Hugo Chavez endorses him.


Didn't Fidel endorse him too?

510 yochanan  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:23:23am

i have also read reports that some people who are alergic to cats have a reaction to fur coming out of china as well.

511 opnion  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:23:31am

See ya later.

512 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:23:45am

re: #509 soxfan4life

Didn't Fidel endorse him too?

No Fidel is holding out for more

513 opnion  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:23:58am

re: #509 soxfan4life

Didn't Fidel endorse him too?

Think so

514 Rustler  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:24:15am

re: #497 soxfan4life You ever have the Liquor made from milk in the milk jugs? Forget what it was called but tasted nasty but would mess you up hard and fast.

515 CIA Reject  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:24:51am

re: #512 Nevergiveup

No Fidel is holding out for more

Like what, a Supreme Court nomination?

/sorta...

516 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:24:56am

re: #510 yochanan

i have also read reports that some people who are alergic to cats have a reaction to fur coming out of china as well.


Maybe that was part of the problem with the Chinese made drywall. Rather than horse hair they used cat-hair plaster.

517 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:25:33am

re: #507 opnion

I take youtr point, but still Obama is a pretty good get for Liberals.
Heck, Hugo Chavez endorses him.

He's better than McCain would have been, from a liberal perspective. He's not the darling of the progressive movement by any means.

(and why should we care what Chavez thinks?)

518 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:25:46am

re: #514 Rustler

You ever have the Liquor made from milk in the milk jugs? Forget what it was called but tasted nasty but would mess you up hard and fast.


No I did enough damage to myself with Soju.

519 Rustler  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:28:00am

re: #518 soxfan4life
Lol soju is like near beer compared to this other stuff I think beyond just the alcohol content there was some other Hallucinogen produced by the distilling or fermenting process because stuff always looked brighter and more Vibrant after dringing it. But I used to down soju by the crate while there to supplement my class 6 ration card.

520 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:28:30am

re: #517 iceweasel

He's better than McCain would have been, from a liberal perspective. He's not the darling of the progressive movement by any means.

(and why should we care what Chavez thinks?)


Well according to most of the liberal mantra I've read and heard it is very important that the rest of the world likes us more than they respect us.

521 Ateam  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:29:11am

re: #505 Cannadian Club Akbar

Just a moment! bring me bong and a can of beer...
(putting this on speakers)

522 Rustler  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:29:17am

Headed out now folks be safe and have an enjoyable Independance day weekend.

523 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:30:28am

re: #520 soxfan4life

Well according to most of the liberal mantra I've read and heard it is very important that the rest of the world likes us more than they respect us.

Well so far they seem to just be walking all over us? Them boots are made for walking?

524 VioletTiger  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:32:09am

re: #491 yochanan

Kegogi: Dog MeatIs a dish of rice and shredded DOG meat. That is right DOG meat! Need I say more! It is said to taste like what a wet dog smells like.


Note to self....do not read LGF during breakfast.
;)

525 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:32:15am

re: #519 Rustler

Lol soju is like near beer compared to this other stuff I think beyond just the alcohol content there was some other Hallucinogen produced by the distilling or fermenting process because stuff always looked brighter and more Vibrant after dringing it. But I used to down soju by the crate while there to supplement my class 6 ration card.


Some of the guys in the barracks used to go to pharmacies in the towns and buy Robitussin because it still has the narcottic in it over there and drink that by the bottle. I found a club outside the gate that served really good kettles and you didn't need a ration card for those.

526 yochanan  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:33:09am

my cat just bite me

maybe she saw me looking for cat recipies.

527 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:33:42am

re: #526 yochanan

my cat just bite me

maybe she saw me looking for cat recipies.

They Know They Know

528 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:35:08am

re: #525 soxfan4life

Some of the guys in the barracks used to go to pharmacies in the towns and buy Robitussin because it still has the narcottic in it over there and drink that by the bottle. I found a club outside the gate that served really good kettles and you didn't need a ration card for those.

Doesn't Robitussin still have DMX in it, or whatever it's called? I thought people in the US (teenagers) were also still drinking it by the bottle. I forget the slang for it...

529 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:35:08am

re: #526 yochanan

my cat just bite me

maybe she saw me looking for cat recipies.

Keep that up and she'll start peeing in your shoes.

530 VioletTiger  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:35:27am

re: #516 soxfan4life

Maybe that was part of the problem with the Chinese made drywall. Rather than horse hair they used cat-hair plaster.

All kidding aside, I think they had some sulfur compounds in there. It is very corrosive to metals.

531 yochanan  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:36:16am

have a good one lizards

532 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:38:00am

If I just heard correctly, we lost another 467K jobs. Man, that stimulus package is working like a champ.
/

533 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:39:03am

Wave goodbye. Get in line. “Hurry up and wait” for your uniform, your medical exam and a crash course in saluting.

[Link: www.navytimes.com...]

They forgot to say Dental Exam. That is why I am going down there for the week.

534 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:39:23am

re: #528 iceweasel

Doesn't Robitussin still have DMX in it, or whatever it's called? I thought people in the US (teenagers) were also still drinking it by the bottle. I forget the slang for it...


The Korean pharmacies sell the stuff that the US doesn't allow over the counter has codeinne in it. The guys who drank it claimed it was like dropping acid, I don't know because I never did either one. They referred to it as roboin.

535 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:40:27am

Speaking of food, get a load of this letter:

As you all know a fabulous Thanksgiving Dinner does not make itself. I need to ask each of you to help by bringing something to complete the meal. I truly appreciate your offers to assist with the meal preparation.

Now, while I do have quite a sense of humor and joke around all the time, I COULD NOT BE MORE SERIOUS when I am providing you with your Thanksgiving instructions and orders. I am very particular, so please perform your task EXACTLY as I have requested and read your portion very carefully. If I ask you to bring your offering in a container that has a lid, bring your offering in a container WITH A LID, NOT ALUMINUM FOIL! If I ask you to bring a serving spoon for your dish, BRING A SERVING SPOON, NOT A SOUP SPOON! And please do not forget anything.

SNIP

536 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:40:52am

re: #530 VioletTiger

All kidding aside, I think they had some sulfur compounds in there. It is very corrosive to metals.


Caused alot of health problems too. If it happened to me the contractor would have had some health concerns as well.

537 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:41:27am

re: #534 soxfan4life

The Korean pharmacies sell the stuff that the US doesn't allow over the counter has codeinne in it. The guys who drank it claimed it was like dropping acid, I don't know because I never did either one. They referred to it as roboin.

Oh I bet that's it. I've heard it (even without the codeine) will make you dissociate and hallucinate.

538 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:41:50am

re: #533 Nevergiveup

Wave goodbye. Get in line. “Hurry up and wait” for your uniform, your medical exam and a crash course in saluting.

[Link: www.navytimes.com...]

They forgot to say Dental Exam. That is why I am going down there for the week.


How many teeth do you have?

539 Mithrax  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:42:45am

re: #537 iceweasel

Oh I bet that's it. I've heard it (even without the codeine) will make you dissociate and hallucinate.

Oh, that's what it is! and here I thought it was the fumes from Obama's BS :P

540 Mithrax  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:44:12am

re: #535 MandyManners

And people wonder why I stay the hell away from big family dinners :P

541 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:44:17am

re: #535 MandyManners

Speaking of food, get a load of this letter:

As you all know a fabulous Thanksgiving Dinner does not make itself. I need to ask each of you to help by bringing something to complete the meal. I truly appreciate your offers to assist with the meal preparation.

Now, while I do have quite a sense of humor and joke around all the time, I COULD NOT BE MORE SERIOUS when I am providing you with your Thanksgiving instructions and orders. I am very particular, so please perform your task EXACTLY as I have requested and read your portion very carefully. If I ask you to bring your offering in a container that has a lid, bring your offering in a container WITH A LID, NOT ALUMINUM FOIL! If I ask you to bring a serving spoon for your dish, BRING A SERVING SPOON, NOT A SOUP SPOON! And please do not forget anything.

SNIP

How would she like her shit sandwich prepared.

542 VioletTiger  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:45:23am

re: #535 MandyManners
I bet she's not a very popular lady.

543 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:45:59am

re: #538 Cannadian Club Akbar

How many teeth do you have?

I still have enough to chew my food. Is that good?

544 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:46:00am

re: #537 iceweasel

Oh I bet that's it. I've heard it (even without the codeine) will make you dissociate and hallucinate.

Probably the best way to spend a tour in Korea. If the world needed an enema Korea would be both the entry and exit point.

545 CIA Reject  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:46:28am

re: #535 MandyManners

Speaking of food, get a load of this letter:

As you all know a fabulous Thanksgiving Dinner does not make itself. I need to ask each of you to help by bringing something to complete the meal. I truly appreciate your offers to assist with the meal preparation.

Now, while I do have quite a sense of humor and joke around all the time, I COULD NOT BE MORE SERIOUS when I am providing you with your Thanksgiving instructions and orders. I am very particular, so please perform your task EXACTLY as I have requested and read your portion very carefully. If I ask you to bring your offering in a container that has a lid, bring your offering in a container WITH A LID, NOT ALUMINUM FOIL! If I ask you to bring a serving spoon for your dish, BRING A SERVING SPOON, NOT A SOUP SPOON! And please do not forget anything.

SNIP

How did you get into Nancy Pelosi's mail?

/

546 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:46:42am

re: #540 Mithrax

And people wonder why I stay the hell away from big family dinners :P

I'd rather eat cold pizza than put up with Marney.

547 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:46:57am

re: #538 Cannadian Club Akbar

How many teeth do you have?

Enough

548 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:47:04am

re: #541 soxfan4life

How would she like her shit sandwich prepared.

With crusts removed.

549 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:47:08am

re: #535 MandyManners

Having been involved in big family dinners that made perfect sense to me. Then again, I wonder what the back story to that e-mail was.

/Enough left overs from previous times to choke an army?

550 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:47:42am

re: #542 VioletTiger

I bet she's not a very popular lady.

Her psyche's so tight I bet you could bounce a tire-iron off of it.

551 Mithrax  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:47:48am

re: #549 BlueCanuck

Having been involved in big family dinners that made perfect sense to me. Then again, I wonder what the back story to that e-mail was.

/Enough left overs from previous times to choke an army?

Sounds nothing more than a control freak who has an idea of what "perfect" is.

552 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:47:59am

re: #535 MandyManners

I love that site! This woman is unbelievable--

The Bob Byron Family
1. Green beans or asparagus (not both) in a casserole with a lid and a serving spoon. If you are making the green beans, please prepare FOUR pounds, if you are making asparagus please prepare FIVE pounds. It is up to you how you wish to prepare them, no soupy sauces, no cheese (you know how Mike is), a light sprinkling of toasted nuts, or pancetta, or some EVOO would be a nice way to jazz them up.
2. A case of beer of your choice (I have Coors Light and Corona) or a bottle of clos du bois chardonnay (you will have to let me know which you will bring prior to 11/22).

The Lisa Byron Chesterford Family
1. Lisa as a married woman you are now required to contribute at the adult level. You can bring an hors d’ouvres. A few helpful hints/suggestions. Keep it very light, and non-filling, NO COCKTAIL SAUCE, no beans of any kind. I think your best bet would be a platter of fresh veggies and dip. Not a huge platter mind you (i.e., not the plastic platter from the supermarket).

The Amy Misto Family (why do I even bother she will never read this)
1. A pumpkin pie in a pie dish (please use my silver palate recipe) no knife needed.
2. An apple pie in a pie dish, you can use your own recipe, no knife needed.

Looking forward to the 28th!

Wow. Control freak much? And I think I sense some issues about the baby sister or whoever who just got married!

553 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:48:43am

re: #545 CIA Reject

How did you get into Nancy Pelosi's mail?

/

I don't think even she is as loony as this psycho-bitch from hell.

554 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:48:46am

Watching old sports clips on YouTube brings tears to my eyes.

The classic themes get me EVERY time.

555 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:49:29am

Okay, you are all dumping on Marney. She may be ficticious or she may be real. Think about this for a second though. How many of you have family members that need stuff spelled out explicitly to get the point?

556 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:50:13am

re: #549 BlueCanuck

Having been involved in big family dinners that made perfect sense to me. Then again, I wonder what the back story to that e-mail was.

/Enough left overs from previous times to choke an army?

What is a regulation size casserole? Fifteen pounds of potatoes?

557 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:50:33am

re: #544 soxfan4life

Probably the best way to spend a tour in Korea. If the world needed an enema Korea would be both the entry and exit point.

I've never been, but I have a family member who did a tour there. I'm pretty sure he shares your opinion.

558 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:51:02am

re: #552 iceweasel

I love that site! This woman is unbelievable--


Wow. Control freak much? And I think I sense some issues about the baby sister or whoever who just got married!

I had no idea we're adults only after we get married. Man, I had a very long adolescence.

559 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:52:14am

re: #558 MandyManners

I had no idea we're adults only after we get married. Man, I had a very long adolescence.

Does that mean once divorced we have regressed back to our childhood?

560 Mithrax  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:52:23am

re: #558 MandyManners

I had no idea we're adults only after we get married. Man, I had a very long adolescence.

and some of us are still growing up! woohoo!

I should send that to my parents :P

561 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:52:25am

re: #535 MandyManners

And people wonder why Jon and Kate are splitting up.

562 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:52:41am

I spent 22 years in the restaurant industry, so my kitchen is packed with professonal equipment. Not the Rachel Ray, Emril Lagasse bullshit. The only thing that leaves my house are my knives. I would bring plastic sppons just to piss off that lady. Wait, I actually wouldn't go.

563 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:53:31am

re: #555 BlueCanuck

All of us. But we love them enough to know that if someone shows up with four pounds of asparagus instead of five, that the world will not end.

564 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:53:44am

re: #555 BlueCanuck

Okay, you are all dumping on Marney. She may be ficticious or she may be real. Think about this for a second though. How many of you have family members that need stuff spelled out explicitly to get the point?

What right does Marney have to insist on no store-brand ice cream? If she wants the Häagen-Dazs so much, she needs to buy it herself.

565 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:54:29am

re: #555 BlueCanuck

Okay, you are all dumping on Marney. She may be ficticious or she may be real. Think about this for a second though. How many of you have family members that need stuff spelled out explicitly to get the point?

I've been around enough women for whom 'hosting' a family event is actually an excuse to play martyr and tell other people what to do. This goes way beyond just asking for reasonable help or contribution.

It's also basically the opposite of being a gracious hostess, but there you go.

566 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:54:35am

re: #559 soxfan4life

Does that mean once divorced we have regressed back to our childhood?

So, that explains my refound fondness for hop-scotch and skipping.

567 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:55:03am

re: #560 Mithrax

and some of us are still growing up! woohoo!

I should send that to my parents :P

You have to grow old but, you don't have to grow up.

568 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:55:30am

re: #561 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And people wonder why Jon and Kate are splitting up.

'Cause Jon couldn't keep his dick in his pants.

569 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:55:53am

re: #564 MandyManners

What right does Marney have to insist on no store-brand ice cream? If she wants the Häagen-Dazs so much, she needs to buy it herself.

Right? And what's with demanding that people use certain recipes? She can make it herself or hire a caterer or cook if it's that important to her.

570 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:56:23am

re: #562 Cannadian Club Akbar

I spent 22 years in the restaurant industry, so my kitchen is packed with professonal equipment. Not the Rachel Ray, Emril Lagasse bullshit. The only thing that leaves my house are my knives. I would bring plastic sppons just to piss off that lady. Wait, I actually wouldn't go.

I'd bring the blue serving dish.

571 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:56:46am

re: #568 MandyManners

'Cause Jon couldn't keep his dick in his pants.

And it sounds like kate couldn't keep other guy's dicks outa her pants?

572 jcm  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:56:49am

Morning Honcos,

I was bored on my last trip, no I did not get nekkid. But I did try a scientific experiment.

573 legalpad  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:56:49am

re: #565 iceweasel

I've been around enough women for whom 'hosting' a family event is actually an excuse to play martyr

Oh, do women do that?/

574 Mithrax  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:56:57am

re: #567 MandyManners

You have to grow old but, you don't have to grow up.

Oh hell no.

People 'round here call me an imp sometimes, and brat on occasion.

575 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:57:27am

re: #565 iceweasel

I've been around enough women for whom 'hosting' a family event is actually an excuse to play martyr and tell other people what to do. This goes way beyond just asking for reasonable help or contribution.

It's also basically the opposite of being a gracious hostess, but there you go.

I'm glad you put "hosting" in quotaion marks.

576 haakondahl  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:57:30am

re: #517 iceweasel

...better than McCain would have been, from a liberal perspective. [President Obama is] not the darling of the progressive movement by any means.

But who would be the darling of the progressives, and still be remotely electable?

577 Danny  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:58:02am

Who is this Marney and why are we talking about her?

OK, I admit, I really don't care....i'm just procrastinating going to work this AM.

578 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:58:35am

re: #564 MandyManners

What right does Marney have to insist on no store-brand ice cream? If she wants the Häagen-Dazs so much, she needs to buy it herself.

I'm making my mom home made ice cream today. Think Bing Cherries.

579 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:58:39am

re: #569 iceweasel

Right? And what's with demanding that people use certain recipes? She can make it herself or hire a caterer or cook if it's that important to her.

I can see needing certain recipes if there are dietary restrictions due to allergies, vegetarianism/veganism or religious dictates.

580 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:59:11am

re: #571 Nevergiveup

And it sounds like kate couldn't keep other guy's dicks outa her pants?

I've heard absolutely no allegations about that.

581 Gella  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:59:28am

creationism for kids

Look What God Made!
Why did we stop all the blood sacrificing?
[Link: everythingisterrible.com...]

582 legalpad  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:59:29am

re: #579 MandyManners

I can see needing certain recipes if there are dietary restrictions due to allergies, vegetarianism/veganism or religious dictates.

diabetics

583 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 5:59:46am

re: #574 Mithrax

Oh hell no.

People 'round here call me an imp sometimes, and brat on occasion.

A brimp?

584 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:00:00am

re: #556 MandyManners

What is a regulation size casserole? Fifteen pounds of potatoes?

Baptist picnic potato salad involves the whole ten-pound sack, at least in the outlying 'burbs.

/teh rules may differ where the potatoes come in the 40-lb sacks

585 Danny  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:00:22am

re: #571 Nevergiveup

OK forget Marney....let's talk about Kate.

586 Mithrax  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:00:31am

re: #583 MandyManners

A brimp?

Don't give them ideas! It'll ruin my image! :P

587 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:00:37am

re: #578 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm making my mom home made ice cream today. Think Bing Cherries.

Oh, what a sweet thing to do!

588 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:01:08am

re: #582 legalpad

diabetics

I'd forgotten that.

589 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:02:01am

re: #584 OldLineTexan

Baptist picnic potato salad involves the whole ten-pound sack, at least in the outlying 'burbs.

/teh rules may differ where the potatoes come in the 40-lb sacks

Does one make the mashed potatoes in batches? I cannot imagine a mixer big enough to deal with that many all at once.

590 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:02:35am

re: #586 Mithrax

Don't give them ideas! It'll ruin my image! :P

Does "bramp" sound better?

591 flyers1974  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:02:45am

re: #576 haakondahl

But who would be the darling of the progressives, and still be remotely electable?

Come to think of it, who would be the darling of either party and still be electable? Seems its been a long time since either party had a really great candidate. For the Republicans, who since Reagan? And for the Democrats, who since LBJ (pre-Tet?) Damned if I can think of anyone.

592 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:02:47am

re: #583 MandyManners

A brimp?

brimp is Kolean ailship!

/lil' kim

593 Mithrax  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:03:19am

re: #590 MandyManners

Does "bramp" sound better?

Better than some things I've been called in my life.

Also been scanning through some of those photos in that blog. Never, ever, EVER will I have my picture taken again :P

594 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:03:28am

re: #575 MandyManners

I'm glad you put "hosting" in quotaion marks.

Exactly. It's the total opposite of hosting.

I attended a birthday party a relative was having for her 8 year old daughter. (This is someone who reminds me of the letter-writer.)

The moment that will forever stay with me is her screaming at her husband "WHERE'S HER TIARA? FIND HER TIARA!" over and over again when they were getting ready to cut the cake. Because of course the most important thing was making sure she was wearing this piece of junk on her head for the photos, as opposed to enjoying the party or not embarrassing her daughter in front of the other kids or parents.

I sure hope that moment was caught on the videotape.

595 Danny  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:04:45am

SO much work to do...guess I'll switch to spyglass mode.

596 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:05:01am

re: #579 MandyManners

I can see needing certain recipes if there are dietary restrictions due to allergies, vegetarianism/veganism or religious dictates.

Oh...he's a vegan. The snide way that Marney said, "you know how Mike is"...and she hates him for it.

I hope someone "came out" during dinner.

597 Ateam  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:05:02am

in honor of the American people, and as a gift coming 4th July next US birthday
I bought myself a present - folding bicycle [Link: www.khsbicycles.com...]

598 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:05:39am

re: #591 flyers1974

Good points. Nobody.


What's up Flyers? Weren't you off camping or something? I hope it was fun!

599 Danny  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:05:50am

re: #597 Ateam

Pretty neat. Shimano freewheel and everything.

600 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:05:57am

re: #592 OldLineTexan

brimp is Kolean ailship!

/lil' kim

He'd probably have it shot in order to eat it.

601 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:06:11am

re: #589 MandyManners

Does one make the mashed potatoes in batches? I cannot imagine a mixer big enough to deal with that many all at once.

I can do ten pounds of mashed in my stock pot, since I splurged on the cooktop with the burner asst: one tiny, two regular, one FRIKKIN' HUGE.

;)

No mixer; handheld spudinator!

I can't do a huge casserole though ... the oven is not big enough for those full-up restaurant foil pans.

Can you tell I was the Christmas chef/host for the last ten years? I loved it because I didn't have to scrub five children and drive across town ... when I would start the turkey or ham at 5 am, it didn't care I was in my shorts.

602 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:06:15am

re: #589 MandyManners

Does one make the mashed potatoes in batches? I cannot imagine a mixer big enough to deal with that many all at once.

I have a 20 quart Hobart mixer. Makes more than enough.

603 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:06:19am

re: #594 iceweasel

I will actually approach people like that and tell them to "calm the fuck down".

That way, I get into the fight, instead of just watching.

604 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:06:31am

re: #593 Mithrax

Better than some things I've been called in my life.

Also been scanning through some of those photos in that blog. Never, ever, EVER will I have my picture taken again :P

How'd you like the Winnie the Pooh photograph?

605 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:06:33am

re: #591 flyers1974

Come to think of it, who would be the darling of either party and still be electable? Seems its been a long time since either party had a really great candidate. For the Republicans, who since Reagan? And for the Democrats, who since LBJ (pre-Tet?) Damned if I can think of anyone.

God help us all if LBJ is considered a great candidate. Alot of todays financial problems can be layed directly at his feet with the looting of SS to pay for Medicare and Medicaid and the Great Society.

606 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:07:10am

re: #594 iceweasel

Exactly. It's the total opposite of hosting.

I attended a birthday party a relative was having for her 8 year old daughter. (This is someone who reminds me of the letter-writer.)

The moment that will forever stay with me is her screaming at her husband "WHERE'S HER TIARA? FIND HER TIARA!" over and over again when they were getting ready to cut the cake. Because of course the most important thing was making sure she was wearing this piece of junk on her head for the photos, as opposed to enjoying the party or not embarrassing her daughter in front of the other kids or parents.

I sure hope that moment was caught on the videotape.

Epitome of a Momzilla.

607 Mithrax  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:07:22am

re: #604 MandyManners

How'd you like the Winnie the Pooh photograph?

Admittedly it was cute. But I'd have to have a kid to consider being in it, but the rest? man oh man, not enough beer in the world for those.

608 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:07:23am

re: #596 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh...he's a vegan. The snide way that Marney said, "you know how Mike is"...and she hates him for it.

I hope someone "came out" during dinner.

I don't think he is a vegan, I think he just doesn't like heavy sauces, and I think she was just being a witch!

She didn't mention other vegan-type instructions, like no milk or cream in the mash, etc.

609 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:07:34am

re: #597 Ateam

in honor of the American people, and as a gift coming 4th July next US birthday
I bought myself a present - folding bicycle [Link: www.khsbicycles.com...]

That is so cool ... I think I ran over one yesterday. The folding feature really helped in getting the mangled bits out from underneath my Canyonero.

/

610 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:08:06am

re: #596 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh...he's a vegan. The snide way that Marney said, "you know how Mike is"...and she hates him for it.

I hope someone "came out" during dinner.

Someone like Marney's husband.

611 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:08:16am

re: #596 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh...he's a vegan. The snide way that Marney said, "you know how Mike is"...and she hates him for it.

I hope someone "came out" during dinner.

Wouldn't she demand that ALL dishes be made vegan?

What's this "came out"?

612 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:08:56am

re: #610 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Someone like Marney's husband.

HA!

i would hug you if I could.

613 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:10:00am

re: #558 MandyManners

I had no idea we're adults only after we get married. Man, I had a very long adolescence.

Good Morning.
Adulthood is an unnatural state.
Does anyone become an adult unless compelled to do so?

614 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:10:44am

re: #611 MandyManners

Wouldn't she demand that ALL dishes be made vegan?

What's this "came out"?

Y'all are right about the vegan thing.

As to "came out"? C'mon, during the screamfest that was going to be that dinner, to see Marney's husband jump up and scream...

"I WANT TO BE A WOMAN!"

615 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:10:49am

re: #612 iceweasel

HA!

i would hug you if I could.

Stretch those arms out.

616 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:11:10am

re: #601 OldLineTexan

I can do ten pounds of mashed in my stock pot, since I splurged on the cooktop with the burner asst: one tiny, two regular, one FRIKKIN' HUGE.

;)

No mixer; handheld spudinator!

I can't do a huge casserole though ... the oven is not big enough for those full-up restaurant foil pans.

Can you tell I was the Christmas chef/host for the last ten years? I loved it because I didn't have to scrub five children and drive across town ... when I would start the turkey or ham at 5 am, it didn't care I was in my shorts.

Marney would not allow you in the door with a foil container. Remember, you're supposed to put half of them into a "regulation size casserole" WITH A LID and the other half into a plastic containter. Oh, and only one spoon, please.

617 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:11:26am

re: #615 OldLineTexan

Stretch those arms out.

Ahem...it's called "Hug and Chalk".

618 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:12:41am

re: #602 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have a 20 quart Hobart mixer. Makes more than enough.

I was thinking about a hand-held mixer. I've never thought of doing mashed potatoes in the other kind.

619 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:12:41am

re: #616 MandyManners

Marney would not allow you in the door with a foil container. Remember, you're supposed to put half of them into a "regulation size casserole" WITH A LID and the other half into a plastic containter. Oh, and only one spoon, please.

Marney would be wearing the potatoes. But I would help clean up. That's the kind of thoughtful, sensitive, modern guy I am.

620 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:13:12am

re: #618 MandyManners

I was thinking about a hand-held mixer. I've never thought of doing mashed potatoes in the other kind.

Works for the Army!

621 jcm  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:13:12am

re: #602 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have a 20 quart Hobart mixer. Makes more than enough.

Thanksgiving a couple years ago we had 35 people. I took two days off before.

No one brought anything, in addition I did a couple of favorite Persian dishes.

30lbs of mashed potatoes. Don't have a big enough mixer, but do have a big enough stock pot.

622 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:13:19am

re: #616 MandyManners

I would have taken it in the blue dish from last year.

623 Mithrax  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:13:22am

re: #616 MandyManners

Marney would not allow you in the door with a foil container. Remember, you're supposed to put half of them into a "regulation size casserole" WITH A LID and the other half into a plastic containter. Oh, and only one spoon, please.

When I was living on the Labrador Coast, I was invited over for christmas dinner. They gave me salt pork.

If you ever want to be exotic and never wish to be invited again, bring it.

624 flyers1974  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:13:44am

re: #598 iceweasel

Good points. Nobody.


What's up Flyers? Weren't you off camping or something? I hope it was fun!

Yes, great time, thanks. Canoeing, drinking, all that fun stuff. Came home and got the flu or a cold or something, so have been out of commission. Much better now though. Anything exciting going on w/ you?

625 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:14:22am

Hmmm, the perfect mashed potatoes involves a ricer to get it just right.

/damn now I am hungry, should've had breakfast.

626 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:14:30am

re: #616 MandyManners

Marney would not allow you in the door with a foil container. Remember, you're supposed to put half of them into a "regulation size casserole" WITH A LID and the other half into a plastic containter. Oh, and only one spoon, please.

NOT A SOUP SPOON, OK?

If I ask you to bring a serving spoon for your dish, BRING A SERVING SPOON, NOT A SOUP SPOON! And please do not forget anything.

Good thing she added in that bit about not forgetting anything. That'll help.

627 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:14:33am

re: #607 Mithrax

Admittedly it was cute. But I'd have to have a kid to consider being in it, but the rest? man oh man, not enough beer in the world for those.

The dad is a real sweetie for posing as Eeyore.

628 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:14:46am

Well, that was fun...work beckons.

Later y'all. Y'all keep it 0bama.

629 CIA Reject  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:14:47am

re: #619 OldLineTexan

Marney would be wearing the potatoes. But I would help clean up. That's the kind of thoughtful, sensitive, modern guy I am.

That's what fire hoses are for!

630 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:15:11am

re: #623 Mithrax

When I was living on the Labrador Coast, I was invited over for christmas dinner. They gave me salt pork.

If you ever want to be exotic and never wish to be invited again, bring it.

OK, but I'm still bringing the lutefisk, no matter how much you beg for salt pork.

/

631 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:15:14am

re: #610 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Someone like Marney's husband.

ROFLMAO!

632 Mithrax  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:15:31am

re: #627 MandyManners

The dad is a real sweetie for posing as Eeyore.

Eeyore I could do.

When I was doing my M. Div my nickname was Eeyore :P

633 3 wood  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:15:47am

Sports Nerd Corner:

As we approach the baseball mid-season break, it's time to pick the most dissappointing team in the majors.

I have three nominees in mind, the Cleveland Indians, the New York Mets, and the Chicago Cubs.

The Cubs are a game below .500 and are 3.5 games behind division leader Milwaukee and in 4th place. With their very high payroll and celebrating their 101st year of not winning, nothing less than the World Series was expected. While true believers can say that there is a long way to go and anything can happen, quite frankly the Cubs are bad team. Their defense is poor and they lead the league in leaving runners on base. Actually, that does not do it justice. This season the Cubs have gone to great lengths to find new and interesting ways to avoid scoring runners. they have set new standards in futility in avoiding scoring runners. Let them load the bases with no outs, and I put it at no better than one chance in 3 that they will actually score a run. Manager Piniella is loathed by his players, who are not all that upset about Lou get pounded in the sports media. But they do have some good pitching so they will likely stay at about .500 this year, but well below what they should be doing given their payroll. I look for the Cubs to put on a hot streak late in the year after the division is lost and it does not matter anymore to make it look good.

The New York Mets started the season with great expectations with some big signings in the off season, but now are also one game below .500, 2 games back in third place behind Philadephia. Mananger Manuel has gone to demanding that all the players all ride on a bus to the park and not take individual cabs and such. That must be making a big hit with the prima donnas on that team. Still, they are within striking distance especially of Philly gets some more injuries.

Cleveland is 9 games below .500 and 13 games back, in last place behind even lowly Kansas City. for those not familiar with major league baseball, it is real hard to be worse than Kansas City. Cleveland was picked by many "experts" preseason to win the division going away. Cleveland is so bad that they make other bad teams like the White Sox look good by comparison. The General Manager has already started dumping players for prospects so they have given up on the season as a train wreck and are already building for next year.

All in all, I take Cleveland as the most dissappointing for 2009 to date.

634 Mithrax  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:16:08am

re: #630 OldLineTexan

OK, but I'm still bringing the lutefisk, no matter how much you beg for salt pork.

/

LOL go ahead, the salt pork would be a welcome addition after that :P

635 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:16:31am

re: #621 jcm

Thanksgiving a couple years ago we had 35 people. I took two days off before.

No one brought anything, in addition I did a couple of favorite Persian dishes.

30lbs of mashed potatoes. Don't have a big enough mixer, but do have a big enough stock pot.

I know you ... you just scrub a couple kids' feet off and make 'em stomp the potatoes.

/

636 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:16:57am

re: #613 Spare O'Lake

Good Morning.
Adulthood is an unnatural state.
Does anyone become an adult unless compelled to do so?

All my youth, I would piss, bitch and moan that I could hardly wait until I became an adult, that no one would tell me what to do. HA! I didn't reckon on bosses and the IRS.

637 Ateam  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:17:00am

re: #599 Danny

re: #609 OldLineTexan

...and don't believe the official price tag. With import customs, local taxes, etc - less then $320.

638 flyers1974  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:17:10am

re: #605 soxfan4life

God help us all if LBJ is considered a great candidate. Alot of todays financial problems can be layed directly at his feet with the looting of SS to pay for Medicare and Medicaid and the Great Society.

I'm talking great candidate in the view of each parties' members. As for LBJ, seemed like a tough guy, didn't scare rural people, master at using power. And, civil rights were his doing, not JFK's.

639 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:17:55am

re: #619 OldLineTexan

Marney would be wearing the potatoes. But I would help clean up. That's the kind of thoughtful, sensitive, modern guy I am.

I'd find something to do with that green bean casserole, too.

640 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:18:29am

re: #620 OldLineTexan

Works for the Army!

Doesn't that eliminate all the little lumps?

641 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:18:43am

re: #637 Ateam

re: #609 OldLineTexan

...and don't believe the official price tag. With import customs, local taxes, etc - less then $320.

Seriously, cool. Enjoy (but be safe, I'm out there somewhere).

642 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:19:47am

re: #624 flyers1974

Yes, great time, thanks. Canoeing, drinking, all that fun stuff. Came home and got the flu or a cold or something, so have been out of commission. Much better now though. Anything exciting going on w/ you?

I'm glad you had fun! Sorry about the bug!

I don't have any news, really. Upthread I mentioned the mystery of the Independence Day flower bouquet and the annoying florists who won't give out info. We live in a country where our phones are tapped, library books are monitored, and emails too, and virtually all public records on anyone are available online to anyone who wants to pay a small fee, but apparently confirming the last name of someone who sends flowers is an invasion of a privacy policy.

643 Irish Rose  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:20:04am

Good morning lizards!
Another cold, cloudy day along the Lake Michigan shoreline... feels like April, instead of July.

Perusing the blogs this morning I see this morning that the GOP is still in a funk, and conservative Christians still have no sense of humor.

644 jcm  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:20:17am

What was that about GREEN jobs and transportation?

Passenger Rail: not so good for the envrionmentA new study by two professors at the University of California, Berkeley argues that when assessing the environmental impacts of a transportation system, one should include life cycle costs of infrastructure, fuel production and supply chains, not just the simple measure of tail pipe emissions.

In doing so, the researchers conclude:

We find that total life-cycle energy inputs and greenhouse gas emissions contribute an additional 63% for onroad, 155% for rail, and 31% for air systems over vehicle tailpipe operation.

Why is rail so much more harmful to the environment than other modes?

Ranges in passenger occupancy can easily change the relative performance of modes.
645 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:20:18am

Screw Marney. We have Sanford to mock.

646 J.D.  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:20:49am

6:20 A.M. Pacific time and there's a new thread.
Someone's up early!

647 jcm  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:21:23am

re: #644 jcm

What was that about GREEN jobs and transportation?

648 Ateam  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:22:34am

re: #643 Irish Rose

Good morning lizards!
Another cold, cloudy day along the Lake Michigan shoreline... feels like April, instead of July.

Global Warming

649 jcm  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:22:35am

re: #647 jcm

WTF were'd the fixed link go?

Fixed, the fixed link.

650 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:23:10am

re: #645 MandyManners

Screw Marney. We have Sanford to mock.

Speaking of which!.....

651 legalpad  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:23:17am

re: #636 MandyManners

When I was 17 an explorer scout leader asked me if I could be any age, what would it be. I answered, "17". For reasons I don't fully understand, I have always wanted to be the age I am.

652 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:23:38am

re: #580 MandyManners

I've heard absolutely no allegations about that.

Yeah she supposedly has also been stepping out. Hey I got no dog in this things, but that is what I heard

653 Irish Rose  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:24:02am

re: #636 MandyManners

All my youth, I would piss, bitch and moan that I could hardly wait until I became an adult, that no one would tell me what to do. HA! I didn't reckon on bosses and the IRS.

Some days I yearn for the carefree, sunny days of youth. Nothing more important to worry about than hanging out with your friends and being home on time for dinner.

654 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:24:28am

re: #633 3 wood

Sports Nerd Corner:

As we approach the baseball mid-season break, it's time to pick the most dissappointing team in the majors.

I have three nominees in mind, the Cleveland Indians, the New York Mets, and the Chicago Cubs.

The Cubs are a game below .500 and are 3.5 games behind division leader Milwaukee and in 4th place. With their very high payroll and celebrating their 101st year of not winning, nothing less than the World Series was expected. While true believers can say that there is a long way to go and anything can happen, quite frankly the Cubs are bad team. Their defense is poor and they lead the league in leaving runners on base. Actually, that does not do it justice. This season the Cubs have gone to great lengths to find new and interesting ways to avoid scoring runners. they have set new standards in futility in avoiding scoring runners. Let them load the bases with no outs, and I put it at no better than one chance in 3 that they will actually score a run. Manager Piniella is loathed by his players, who are not all that upset about Lou get pounded in the sports media. But they do have some good pitching so they will likely stay at about .500 this year, but well below what they should be doing given their payroll. I look for the Cubs to put on a hot streak late in the year after the division is lost and it does not matter anymore to make it look good.

The New York Mets started the season with great expectations with some big signings in the off season, but now are also one game below .500, 2 games back in third place behind Philadephia. Mananger Manuel has gone to demanding that all the players all ride on a bus to the park and not take individual cabs and such. That must be making a big hit with the prima donnas on that team. Still, they are within striking distance especially of Philly gets some more injuries.

Cleveland is 9 games below .500 and 13 games back, in last place behind even lowly Kansas City. for those not familiar with major league baseball, it is real hard to be worse than Kansas City. Cleveland was picked by many "experts" preseason to win the division going away. Cleveland is so bad that they make other bad teams like the White Sox look good by comparison. The General Manager has already started dumping players for prospects so they have given up on the season as a train wreck and are already building for next year.

All in all, I take Cleveland as the most dissappointing for 2009 to date.

I think ESPN has a gig waiting for you :)

655 Ateam  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:27:05am

re: #646 J.D.

6:20 A.M. Pacific time and there's a new thread.
Someone's up early!

That to blame the Tour-De
-France!

656 flyers1974  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:27:38am

re: #642 iceweasel

I'm glad you had fun! Sorry about the bug!

I don't have any news, really. Upthread I mentioned the mystery of the Independence Day flower bouquet and the annoying florists who won't give out info. We live in a country where our phones are tapped, library books are monitored, and emails too, and virtually all public records on anyone are available online to anyone who wants to pay a small fee, but apparently confirming the last name of someone who sends flowers is an invasion of a privacy policy.

My guess is they are afraid of getting sued in case of giving out info to a stalker, etc... .

657 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:34:35am

re: #640 MandyManners

Doesn't that eliminate all the little lumps?

I would think so, except for the buttons, small animals, etc.

/

658 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:35:18am

re: #643 Irish Rose

Good morning lizards!
Another cold, cloudy day along the Lake Michigan shoreline... feels like April, instead of July.

Perusing the blogs this morning I see this morning that the GOP is still in a funk, and conservative Christians still have no sense of humor.

You're entitled to an opinion, but I'm fairly good-natured.

659 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:36:26am

re: #648 Ateam

Global Warming

Don't worry; I have all the Global Warming here. I would share gladly if I could figure out how.

/

660 3 wood  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:39:35am

re: #654 _RememberTonyC

Thank you. I know about 2 things, sports and economics.

When I see the garbage guys like Peter Gammons spouts on that channel, I wonder what games they are watching.

By the way, I recently went to a Peoria Chiefs game (Cubs class A affiliate) to scout the Cubs #1 draft choice of a year or so ago, Josh Vitters (now moved to Daytona). who they drafted out of high school. Vitters showed me nothing, I think he has a slow bat and has very little foot speed. Curve balls mystify him at the plate. I see him as a wasted #1 draft pick. You should never spend #1 on a high school kid.

But I did see a 19 year old short stop they have name Junior Lake that I would keep an eye out for. Great foot work and hands in the field, he effortlessly fields the position, has a strong arm, and is hitting .366 at the plate with a very quick bat. He also can hit the breaking ball. I look for this kid to move up fast barring injury.

661 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:41:50am
662 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 6:55:05am
663 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 7:01:33am
664 Cato  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 11:11:20am

Darwin may have problems with this one. Isn't competition for resources among individuals, or at least tribes, a fundamental Darwinian concept? Yet different tribes seem NOT to compete. They don't even realize they are different tribes.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

665 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 4:02:56pm

Testing...

666 Age Of Freedom  Thu, Jul 2, 2009 8:12:46pm

666


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