The Rapidly Escalating GOP War on Science

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House Republicans are escalating their attack on the science of global warming with a plan to kill the House Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming.

Meanwhile in Virginia, Republican Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli is rabidly pursuing his persecution of climate researcher Michael Mann, using other Republicans in the state legislature to draft laws that will let him conduct a more intrusive fishing expedition into Mann’s work, with the goal of revoking Mann’s tenure at the University of Virginia.

Del. Bob Marshall (R-Prince William) is sponsoring a bill that would allow public employees to be terminated or otherwise disciplined if they knowingly violate public information laws.

Behind the proposed legislation, which he has filed for consideration when the General Assembly convenes next month, is the now hotly contested events surrounding the tenure of climate researcher Michael Mann at the University of Virginia.

Mann left the university in 2005 and is now a professor at Penn State University.

It’s a good bet Marshall’s won’t be the only bill related to Mann’s work that legislators consider next year. Democrats have been incensed by an effort by Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli to use the Virginia Fraud Against Taxpayers Act to compel the university to turn over documents related to Mann’s work.

Cuccinelli has said he wants to see whether a fraud investigation would be warranted into Mann’s work, which showed that the earth has experienced a rapid, recent warming. The university is fighting the subpoena in court and there’s a good chance Democrats could file legislation to curb the attorney general’s powers of subpoena under the act.

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263 comments
1 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 9:52:42am

“We found a scientist! Can we burn him?”

It would be funny if it weren’t so depressing.

2 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 9:53:00am

Republicans, bringing witch hunts back in style.

3 shutdown  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 9:53:21am

maybe it is the compounding result of the diminished daylight hours and overcast skies - but these posts related to the obsessively anti-science agenda of the tight have been making me sad. What’s the point in denying facts?

4 Interesting Times  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 9:53:31am

Way to jeopardize national security, you unpatriotic pricks:

Dear Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell,

Climate change is threatening America’s security. The Pentagon and security leaders of both parties consider climate disruption to be a “threat multiplier” - it exacerbates existing problems by decreasing stability, increasing conflict, and incubating the socioeconomic conditions that foster terrorist recruitment. The State Department, the National Intelligence Council and the CIA all agree, and all are planning for future climate-based threats.

America’s billion-dollar-a-day dependence on oil makes us vulnerable to unstable and unfriendly regimes. A substantial amount of that oil money ends up in the hands of terrorists. Consequently, our military is forced to operate in hostile territory, and our troops are attacked by terrorists funded by U. S. oil dollars, while rogue regimes profit off of our dependence. As long as the American public is beholden to global energy prices, we will be at the mercy of these rogue regimes. Taking control of our energy future means preventing future conflicts around the world and protecting Americas here at home.

It is time to secure America with clean energy. We can create millions of jobs in a clean energy economy while mitigating the effects of climate change across the globe.
We call on Congress and the administration to enact strong, comprehensive climate and energy legislation to reduce carbon pollution and lead the world in clean energy technology.

5 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 9:54:00am

It really seems like they hate scientists because scientists make them look stupid.

6 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 9:55:01am

re: #5 Obdicut

It really seems like they hate scientists because scientists make them look stupid.

Like a schoolyard bully picking on the smart kids.

7 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 9:55:34am

Del. Bob Marshall.
You freaking idiot.
GOP.
You freaking idiots.

8 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 9:57:14am

OT:

My wife just called and told me my kid’s school is on lockdown.

Here is the news story…

Police search for person who fled traffic stop; Rockfish Elementary locked down

Law enforcement authorities are searching the Afton area of Nelson County for two men they said fled from a Virginia State Trooper after a routine traffic stop earlier today.

Nelson County Sheriff David Brooks said a Virginia State Trooper made a traffic stop on a vehicle along Chapel Hollow Road and Bland Lane in Afton when, after pulling over to the side of the road, the vehicle struck the trooper’s car and three men ran from the vehicle.

One of the men was apprehended.

Corinne Geller, state police spokeswoman, said the search includes a helicopter due to the terrain.

“Right now he’s in the midst of it,” Geller said of the trooper handling the case.

Brooks said the two wanted men are described as a black male and Hispanic male. One was wearing a green jacket and one was wearing tan pants, he said.

Rockfish River Elementary School, along Va. 151 in Afton, has been put on lockdown and Nelson County Sheriff’s deputies have been on the property for the students’ safety, Brooks said.

I double-dog dare them to run into my yard.

9 shutdown  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 9:58:27am

Advances in manufacturing and technology - all driven by scientific methodology and discovery - elevated the United States to its position of global economic and military supremacy. The abrogation and negation of science will lead to its fall.

10 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 9:58:31am

re: #8 NJDhockeyfan

Stay safe dude…

11 iossarian  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 9:59:13am

re: #8 NJDhockeyfan

We had two lockdowns in a week earlier this year! My kids must think we live in the ghetto…

12 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:00:23am

And now, an informational announcement

Subject: WikiLeaks

The recent publication of classified documents by WikiLeaks is cause for an important reminder that personnel, whether or not they hold a U.S. Government clearance of any sort, should not access the WikiLeaks website to view or download information. Doing so may introduce potentially classified information onto unclassified networks or onto personally owned devices. Rumors that the information is no longer classified because it now resides in the public domain are NOT true. Executive Order 13526, Section 1.1(4)(c) states “Classified Information shall not be declassified automatically as a result of any unauthorized disclosure of identical or similar information.”

The information published via WikiLeaks has not been declassified by an appropriate authority and requires ongoing classification until it is reviewed by the Original Classification Authorities (OCAs). The OCA for any given classified information must make a determination whether or not any of the material has been declassified, must conduct damage assessments, and must make a determination regarding continued classification.

13 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:00:38am

re: #10 lawhawk

Stay safe dude…

Thanks. My dogs will keep them out. If not, they will get to meet my 12 gauge shotgun.

14 shutdown  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:00:43am

re: #8 NJDhockeyfan

Are they allowed to use their cell phones to tell you everything is ok?

15 webevintage  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:00:50am

Didn’t Parliament already investigate all of this and decide that there is nothing there?

16 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:02:17am

re: #14 imp_62

Are they allowed to use their cell phones to tell you everything is ok?

We are surprised we didn’t get a phone call yet. The school usually call us about anything that changes.

17 shutdown  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:02:21am

re: #12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Cool. Where did you get that memo? (Or is that classified?)

18 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:04:02am

re: #17 imp_62

Cool. Where did you get that memo? (Or is that classified?)

Work, for widest distribution, removing all names and organizations mentioned.

19 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:04:51am

re: #18 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Work, for widest distribution, removing all names and organizations mentioned.

How’s M?
:P

20 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:05:22am

This is just more culture war bullshit. Their base hates smart people, so they are attacking smart people. That’s really all there is to it.

This is anti-intellectualism, as only Republicans can do it.

21 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:05:42am

Channel 29 has more:

Nelson Sheriff says Virginia State Police stopped a 1980 Ford pickup with three men in it. The car backed up and hit the trooper’s vehicle. Two of the three men ran from the scene. The third man was taken into custody.

The traffic stop happened along 151 and Bland Wade Lane (Afton area).

Police are looking for two men: one Hispanic, one black.

Rockfish River Elementary on Chapel Hollow Road is in lock down.

A police helicopter was part of the search in Afton but the helicopter is now down.

There are no details yet from Virginia State Police contacts on who they are after or why, but they say the person who was taken into custody is being let go.

Driver of car stopped in Nelson says he was pulled over for speeding when the other two guys in the car ran away sparking today’s manhunt.

Virginia State Police say the truck had a counterfeit inspection sticker and mechanical problems. They also say marijuana and alcohol were found in the vehicle.

22 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:05:53am

re: #19 Varek Raith

How’s M?
:P

I’m so sorry, but the ninjas will be relatively painless. Don’t struggle and it will be quick.

23 Ming  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:06:20am

It’s really sad that Congressional Republicans are persecuting a science professor, actually trying to revoke his tenure. The poor guy is only doing climate research!

24 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:06:52am

re: #23 Ming

It’s really sad that Congressional Republicans are persecuting a science professor, actually trying to revoke his tenure. The poor guy is only doing climate research!

That’s exactly why he is a threat to the GOP.

25 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:07:13am

Where does the GOP think that America’s power and wealth comes from, if not science?

26 Four More Tears  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:07:43am

re: #25 Obdicut

Where does the GOP think that America’s power and wealth comes from, if not science?

God.

27 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:07:55am

re: #23 Ming

It’s really sad that Congressional Republicans are persecuting a science professor, actually trying to revoke his tenure. The poor guy is only doing climate research!

Next, they’re going after that Galileo bastard!

28 iossarian  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:08:19am

re: #23 Ming

It’s really sad that Congressional Republicans are persecuting a science professor, actually trying to revoke his tenure. The poor guy is only doing climate research!

Climate research is anti-American. Defending anti-American scum is anti-American.

Maybe you want to reconsider your support for this professor, “Ming”.

29 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:08:26am

re: #25 Obdicut

Where does the GOP think that America’s power and wealth comes from, if not science?

BABY JAYSUS!!!

30 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:08:54am

re: #20 Fozzie Bear

This is anti-intellectualism, as only Republicans can do it.

Well, not only republicans, though the do seem to produce the lion’s share.

SCIENCE!

31 prairiefire  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:09:27am

re: #11 iossarian

We had two lockdowns in a week earlier this year! My kids must think we live in the ghetto…

Reckless, crazy meth fueled white hillbillies are just as dangerous as a reckless, crazy meth fueled “people of color.”

We have had three different district wide phone messages about kids in our district being approached by strangers while on their way to school.

32 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:09:57am

re: #25 Obdicut

Where does the GOP think that America’s power and wealth comes from, if not science?

From the constitution, just as Jesus wrote it. Not this newfangled pointy-headed gay librul ivory tower elite intellectual waste!

33 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:10:36am

re: #8 NJDhockeyfan

Dang. Hope your kid(s?) stay safe.

34 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:11:04am

Some more thoughts that are offtopic but I feel relevant to why I and I suspect a number of us feel about the Republican Party.

I don’t enjoy slamming Republicans either here or in my blog. I get no real joy out of it. In fact, at this point it’s feels closer to a’ rage against the dying of the light’ feeling of despair that keeps me from just throwing my hands up and saying, ‘fuck it’. But how can I not continue to speak out against the people who are determined to remake America into a regressive and fearful state just to enable their own ascension to power?

When the Republicans decide to put the betterment of America first and step beyond their own narrow thoughts of ‘real America’ versus everyone else, then I’ll stop. When the Republicans remember that I’m an American too, that the person on the streets is an American, that the everyone here is a part of this great country. I made a crack earlier that the Republicans only wanted to support the America that was Christian, White, Straight, Male, and Rich. I stand by that remark until the day the Republican party accepts that we are more than that.

Getting ahead in America isn’t a zero sum game. We can all be elevated to a better living. Think of the progress that was made over the last century, where even the worst off had opportunities to become more than what they were. And that even the poorest of us were better off. They had hope that there was more ahead for them. What did that cost the better off? anything? was America weaker when we worked to elevate everyone? I’d say no, I’d say that was when America was striving to be the best it could be. We lost that hope over the last 10 years. The middle class and poor has seen things get worse since 2000, and now? Where is the support from the Republican party for the middle class and poor? Instead we get populist jingos and wedge issues to distract people from the truth. That The Republicans aren’t out for the best interests of America. Just out for the best interests of themselves.

I’m an idealist, I’ll admit that freely. I think America should strive to be the best it can be. The Republicans would have us be… less than that.

35 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:11:50am

re: #33 Slumbering Behemoth

Dang. Hope your kid(s?) stay safe.

Thank you. It looks like the school has everything under control. The police have their work cut out for them. We are in the Blue Ridge Mountains and there is a lot fo places to hide in the woods.

36 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:12:50am

re: #30 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, not only republicans, though the do seem to produce the lion’s share.

SCIENCE!

What… the… fuck…

Are they seriously building an ark with taxpayer funds?

Excuse me while I squeegee my brains off my monitor. My head just exploded.

37 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:13:12am

Got something in the mail yesterday: A graduation announcement.
My daughter will receive her PhD in chemistry next week. This has taken 20 years and a greater expenditure of work and money than I like to think about but it will be more than worth it. I wish her mother could be there to see it (she died in 1999 when our daughter was 16).

I only hope future generations have the same opportunity, but it is looking less and less likely.

38 elizajane  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:13:19am

Pretty soon, for a young scientist to study climate change will be about as unattractive and dangerous as it is for a young medical student to go into late-term abortion surgery.

I mean, as soon as a graduate student figures out that a) climate change is real and b) he/she will be pilloried and persecuted for doing any work that says this (YouCut, anyone?), he/she will have to make a decision: courageous principle, or go into pharmaceutical chemistry, make more money, and lead a quiet life.

39 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:13:21am

re: #34 bloodstar

I don’t even feel that the Republican Party is looking out for their own best self-interest, except in the very, very, very short term.

That’s what makes it so frustrating. It’s the lack of a plan. The aggressive lack of a plan.

40 shutdown  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:13:36am

re: #20 Fozzie Bear

This is just more culture war bullshit. Their base hates smart people, so they are attacking smart people. That’s really all there is to it.

This is anti-intellectualism, as only Republicans can do it.

Conservatives don’t like things they can’t control. They don’t lik people who think independently and they have a real problem with any perceived threat to the corporate structures (in this case, coal and power) which ensure their maintenance of public office and continued access to the public trough. Plus, the country is being conveniently divided for the next election cycle. On one side, those who believe in God, Manifest US Destiny, the Sanctity of Family, and the Prophetic Nature of Sarah Palin’s Pronouncements. On the other side, by exclusive extension, are Godless Scientists, Sodomists, Post Nationalists and Riffraff What Reads Books and Thinks for Itself.

41 iossarian  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:14:36am

re: #34 bloodstar

I feel the same way. Thanks for putting it into words.

42 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:14:44am

EVERYBODY needs to watch the video linked in post #30. Seriously. Go, do it now.

My mind is completely fucking blown.

43 Four More Tears  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:14:48am

re: #37 Shiplord Kirel

Got something in the mail yesterday: A graduation announcement.
My daughter will receive her PhD in chemistry next week. This has taken 20 years and a greater expenditure of work and money than I like to think about but it will be more than worth it. I wish her mother could be there to see it (she died in 1999 when our daughter was 16).

I only hope future generations have the same opportunity, but it is looking less and less likely.

Great. Another scientist.

/

44 Interesting Times  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:15:04am

Meanwhile, in a country whose leaders are proving to be infinitely more intelligent than the GOP:

China Issues 2010 Climate Change Green Paper

45 PT Barnum  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:15:15am

re: #5 Obdicut

It really seems like they hate scientists because scientists make them look stupid.

They don’t need the help.

46 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:15:41am

re: #42 Fozzie Bear

I’m still having a hard time understanding that this isn’t the Onion in that video. It’s like it won’t get past my bullshit filter. It’s too crazy to be real.

47 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:15:55am

re: #36 Fozzie Bear

I think they mentioned giving the project tax credits, not the use of tax payer funds. Though I haven’t watched the second vid yet.

If they do plan to use tax payer funds, I imagine a court would have to knock that down. Or at least should.

48 Four More Tears  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:16:50am

re: #46 Fozzie Bear

I’m still having a hard time understanding that this isn’t the Onion in that video. It’s like it won’t get past my bullshit filter. It’s too crazy to be real.

Poe’s Law.

49 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:16:59am

re: #30 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, not only republicans, though the do seem to produce the lion’s share.

SCIENCE!

/facepalm

50 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:17:11am

re: #47 Slumbering Behemoth

I think they mentioned giving the project tax credits, not the use of tax payer funds. Though I haven’t watched the second vid yet.

If they do plan to use tax payer funds, I imagine a court would have to knock that down. Or at least should.

Using projected tax credits is the exact same thing, as far as the budget is concerned. It’s still money the government would have had, were the credits not given.

51 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:18:15am

re: #30 Slumbering Behemoth

More background here.

52 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:18:21am

re: #5 Obdicut

It really seems like they hate scientists because scientists make them look stupid.

I thought they did that on their own, by simply opening their mouths.

53 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:18:48am

re: #40 imp_62

I lean conservative…

On the other side, by exclusive extension, are Godless Scientists, Sodomists, Post Nationalists and Riffraff What Reads Books and Thinks for Itself.

… am I allowed to be on that side?

/I’ll pass on the sodomy though, thanks.

54 Four More Tears  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:19:50am

re: #53 Slumbering Behemoth

I lean conservative…

… am I allowed to be on that side?

/I’ll pass on the sodomy though, thanks.

It’s a package deal.

55 iossarian  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:20:20am

re: #54 JasonA

It’s a package deal.

And what a package it is!

56 PT Barnum  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:20:32am

re: #53 Slumbering Behemoth

I lean conservative…

… am I allowed to be on that side?

/I’ll pass on the sodomy though, thanks.

You must make a choice..none of this bi-curious stuff around here!

57 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:20:43am

re: #39 Obdicut

I don’t even feel that the Republican Party is looking out for their own best self-interest, except in the very, very, very short term.

That’s what makes it so frustrating. It’s the lack of a plan. The aggressive lack of a plan.

Absolutely, and you saw that contrast dramatically during the 2008 election, with the Republicans thrashing around trying to ‘win’ news cycles and the Obama Campaign working a steady hand and thinking strategically. And somehow Obama’s idea worked! He managed to cut through the news cycles and actually resonate with the voters. He gave that hope that Republican’s seem to mock so much to the people who’d lost it.

Mock hope all you want, but really, you don’t want America to lose hope, because I promise you that it will get really ugly and *everyone* will lose, not just the poor and middle class.

So I’d simply add that it’s a matter of Tactics and Strategy. Right now Tactics (Republicans) are winning.

My hope is that Strategy wins out and validate my belief that America will find a way to see through the chaff and ground clutter and make the choices that are best for all of us, not just one narrow segment.

58 Gus  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:21:09am

re: #30 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, not only republicans, though the do seem to produce the lion’s share.

SCIENCE!

Insanity. We’re truly becoming a 3rd world country. The website for this “theme park” is arkencounter.com Here’s part of the whois for Ark Encounter:

Registrant Contact:
Answers in Genesis
Answers in Genesis ()
Hebron, KY 41048
US

It’s a project of Answers in Genesis - Creation, Evolution, Christian Apologetics.

Answers in Genesis (AiG) is a non-profit Christian apologetics ministry with a particular focus on supporting Young Earth creationism and a literal interpretation of the Book of Genesis. The organization has offices in the United Kingdom and the United States. It had offices in Australia, Canada, New Zealand and South Africa, but in 2006 these split off to form Creation Ministries International.

59 shutdown  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:21:17am

re: #38 elizajane

Pretty soon, for a young scientist to study climate change will be about as unattractive and dangerous as it is for a young medical student to go into late-term abortion surgery.

I mean, as soon as a graduate student figures out that a) climate change is real and b) he/she will be pilloried and persecuted for doing any work that says this (YouCut, anyone?), he/she will have to make a decision: courageous principle, or go into pharmaceutical chemistry, make more money, and lead a quiet life.

Not quite accurate. The hypothetical young scientist in your example may find it difficult and unrewrding to do climate research in the United States. But Oxbridge, the Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich, and the Weizman Institute will welcome bright minds with open arms. The US can become an agrarian society again — “breadbasket of the world” has a nice ring to it.

60 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:21:22am

re: #50 Fozzie Bear

Using projected tax credits is the exact same thing, as far as the budget is concerned. It’s still money the government would have had, were the credits not given.

Ah, okay. I really am woefully ignorant when it comes to matters of economics and taxes. That’s why I usually just STFU and stand back when y’all start dukeing it out over such topics.

61 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:22:16am

re: #60 Slumbering Behemoth

Ah, okay. I really am woefully ignorant when it comes to matters of economics and taxes. That’s why I usually just STFU and stand back when y’all start dukeing it out over such topics.

No.
Just say random things.
.
.
.
34 WARSHIPS!

62 Interesting Times  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:22:30am

re: #39 Obdicut

I don’t even feel that the Republican Party is looking out for their own best self-interest, except in the very, very, very short term.

It reminds me of when you said the following:

It’s a terrible irony that one of the largest blockers to acceptance of AGW are the older generations, who tend to be larger supporters of the GOP— precisely the people who are not going to be around to experience the effects of AGW.

But it’s not an “irony” at all - it makes perfect sense. These old fossils will be dead before the worst of AGW hits, so why should they care about the suffering of those who won’t? Quite simply, they don’t.

63 Gus  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:22:51am

re: #58 Gus 802

Creationist Theme Park Supported By Democratic Kentucky Governor

A massive replica of Noah’s Ark stretching three stories high and the distance of two football fields may soon be on its way to Northern Kentucky, where it will make its home as the staple of a creationist theme park, Ark Encounter. In an interesting twist, the creationist park is supported by the state’s Democratic governor, Steve Beshear.

According to the Louisville Courier-Journal, the theme park’s creators are currently seeking state tax incentives that could allow them to recover 25 percent of the facility’s cost. Some are questioning whether such a stimulus would violate the separation of church and state.

Lexington’s WLEX reports that the attraction and its museums, theaters, amenities, event venues and outdoor parking will cost at least $150 million, and will take three years to build. Estimates suggest that the park could bring 1.6 million visitors annually and provide at least 900 new jobs to the area.

Continues.

64 shutdown  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:23:00am

re: #53 Slumbering Behemoth

I lean conservative…

… am I allowed to be on that side?

/I’ll pass on the sodomy though, thanks.

I think the general idea is to keep exerting control on the public mind until the perception of anything FOX news disagrees with is highly negatively charged. It’s all about branding.

65 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:23:08am

re: #53 Slumbering Behemoth

I lean conservative…


… am I allowed to be on that side?

/I’ll pass on the sodomy though, thanks.

Oh, I’ll take that if you dont want it.

66 PT Barnum  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:23:19am

re: #57 bloodstar

A
My hope is that Strategy wins out and validate my belief that America will find a way to see through the chaff and ground clutter and make the choices that are best for all of us, not just one narrow segment.


The problem is that most people are unwilling to give up immediate gain or comfort for future comfort or gain. We’ve gotten so used to getting everything NOW that we are unwilling to wait for gratification. One of the big differences between ourselves and our agrarian ancestors, who had to wait an entire growing season to see the results of their labor.

67 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:23:22am

re: #54 JasonA

Fine! But I’m the pitcher, got that?!?!
/

68 iossarian  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:23:24am

re: #59 imp_62

Not quite accurate. The hypothetical young scientist in your example may find it difficult and unrewrding to do climate research in the United States. But Oxbridge, the Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich, and the Weizman Institute will welcome bright minds with open arms. The US can become an agrarian society again — “breadbasket of the world” has a nice ring to it.

Don’t worry, we’ll have nuked those heathen cesspools to shiny black glass long hence.

69 Blue Point  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:23:24am

re: #39 Obdicut

I don’t even feel that the Republican Party is looking out for their own best self-interest, except in the very, very, very short term.

That’s what makes it so frustrating. It’s the lack of a plan. The aggressive lack of a plan.


That IS the plan. Short sighted and for immediate gain, their gain, and no long term answers. This is an incredible time to be alive, as so many attempt to kill you.

70 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:23:32am

re: #61 Varek Raith

No.
Just say random things.
.
.
.
34 WARSHIPS!

LOUD NOISES!

71 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:23:58am

re: #58 Gus 802

I smell an Ararat.

72 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:24:44am

re: #59 imp_62

“breadbasket of the world” has a nice ring to it.

Hey! That’s our (California’s) job!

73 PT Barnum  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:24:44am

re: #70 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

LOUD NOISES!

WANKEL ROTARY ENGINE!
ALBATROSS!
BURMA!

74 shutdown  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:24:44am

re: #61 Varek Raith

No.
Just say random things.
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34 WARSHIPS!

YOU SANK MY BATTLE-ARK

75 iossarian  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:25:08am

re: #71 lawhawk

I smell an Ararat.

Ham, Shem and Japheth on you!

76 Gus  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:25:16am

We Got ‘Burn in Hell’ Mail!

Tonight’s post about Melanie Phillips’ highly dubious article on “intelligent design” creationism prompted the following email, from a creationist in Australia who emails these ranting missives within minutes of every LGF post on the subject (more than 60 emails at last count). In this one, he cites scripture and lets me know that I’m doomed to suffer in eternal torment unless I accept the truth of Biblical literalist creationism…

Just for the sheer heck of it I did a quick Google search, and it turns out that our “burn in hell, infidel!” emailer is actually a guy named Tas Walker, a full-time staff member of Answers in Genesis in Brisbane, now known as Creation Ministries International. Here’s his intelligently designed website, chock full of crunchy creationist goodness: Tas Walker’s Biblical Geology…

77 Four More Tears  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:25:37am

re: #70 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

LOUD NOISES!

Squirrel!

78 PT Barnum  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:25:46am

re: #71 lawhawk

I smell an Ararat.

It’s Christmas so it’s all in the name of the intifada Jesus.

79 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:26:25am

re: #73 PT Barnum

WANKEL ROTARY ENGINE!
ALBATROSS!
BURMA!

I thought Barney Coopersmith invented the rotary engine?

80 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:26:41am

re: #58 Gus 802

Insanity. We’re truly becoming a 3rd world country. The website for this “theme park” is arkencounter.com Here’s part of the whois for Ark Encounter:

Registrant Contact:
Answers in Genesis
Answers in Genesis ()
Hebron, KY 41048
US

It’s a project of Answers in Genesis - Creation, Evolution, Christian Apologetics.

Thought so. AIG’s notorious Creation Museum, noted for its saddled triceratops and exhibits of cavemen co-existing with tyrannosaurs, is just 40 miles away near Petersburg, Kentucky.

81 shutdown  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:27:06am

re: #75 iossarian

Ham, Shem and Japheth on you!

Gesundheit.

82 elizajane  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:27:22am

re: #62 publicityStunted

It reminds me of when you said the following:

But it’s not an “irony” at all - it makes perfect sense. These old fossils will be dead before the worst of AGW hits, so why should they care about the suffering of those who won’t? Quite simply, they don’t.

Yes, that’s true. My partner has given a number of lectures on climate change to groups of retirees because 1) they vote and 2) they need to be made to care about their grandchildren.

Of course, my father went to one of those lectures and said, “You’re a great speaker! But I still don’t believe a word of what you say.”

And he votes. He even traveled home from [Socialist] France to vote Republican in the November elections. But I love him anyway.

83 shutdown  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:27:52am

re: #80 Shiplord Kirel

Thought so. AIG’s notorious Creation Museum, noted for its saddled triceratops and exhibits of cavemen co-existing with tyrannosaurs, is just 40 miles away near Petersburg, Kentucky.

I. Want. A. Triceratops.
Ride to work on one of those puppies and see who gets pinkslipped, sucka.

84 Gus  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:27:52am

re: #30 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, not only republicans, though the do seem to produce the lion’s share.

SCIENCE!

BTW, that’s Kentucky’s (Democrat) Governor Steve Beshear doing most of the talking in that video.

85 Spocomptonite  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:28:32am

McCarthyism is back!

Are you now, or have you ever been, a supporter of communism science?

I have here in my hand a list of 205 … a list of names that were made known to the Secretary of State Attorney General as being members of the Communist Party scientists in climate research and who nevertheless are still working and shaping policy in the State Department National Science Foundation and Universities in America.

Today we are engaged in a final, all-out battle between communistic scientific atheism and Christianity. The modern champions of communism science have selected this as the time, and ladies and gentlemen, the chips are down — they are truly down.

86 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:28:47am

See, this is exactly the reason that the government shouldn’t be spending money funding religious projects. You end up trying to “prove” absurd fairy tales, and yet, we can’t seem to get sufficient funding for actual scientific research.

87 Four More Tears  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:28:49am

re: #80 Shiplord Kirel

Thought so. AIG’s notorious Creation Museum, noted for its saddled triceratops and exhibits of cavemen co-existing with tyrannosaurs, is just 40 miles away near Petersburg, Kentucky.

Why not just change the name of the state to Jesusland at this point?

88 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:28:58am

re: #84 Gus 802

BTW, that’s Kentucky’s (Democrat) Governor Steve Beshear doing most of the talking in that video.

Write a strongly-worded letter to their senator-elect, Rand Paul. He’ll help.

89 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:29:56am

And people wonder why people on the coasts don’t have too much respect for “heartland values”.

90 Interesting Times  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:30:40am

re: #82 elizajane

Of course, my father went to one of those lectures and said, “You’re a great speaker! But I still don’t believe a word of what you say.”

And he votes. He even traveled home from [Socialist] France to vote Republican in the November elections.

Ugh :( Can he at least be made to care about the national security/pride aspects, i.e. the US being left in the dust by Communist China?

91 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:30:48am

re: #87 JasonA

Why not just change the name of the state to Jesusland at this point?

Major industries:

Bourbon
Race Horses
Louisville whores.

(UofL,’72)

92 Gus  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:30:50am

re: #88 Decatur Deb

Write a strongly-worded letter to their senator-elect, Rand Paul. He’ll help.

Yeah. He’ll help the governor. I can’t believe this. Especially that they’re going to get tax incentives to build a religious (Christian) theme park in the state of Kentucky.

93 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:30:53am

re: #88 Decatur Deb

Write a strongly-worded letter to their senator-elect, Rand Paul. He’ll help.

CRY HAVOC AND LET SLIP THE RAPTORS OF WAR!

94 Nick Schroeder  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:31:00am

You know who else persecuted intellectuals?

95 PT Barnum  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:31:11am

re: #89 Fozzie Bear

And people wonder why people on the coasts don’t have too much respect for “heartland values”.

Just bought “What’s the Matter with Kansas”

I don’t think we’re all ignorant dumbfucks out here in the hinterlands, but we certainly have our share.

96 elizajane  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:32:54am

re: #94 Nick Schroeder

You know who else persecuted intellectuals?

Yes, I frequently think of the “Cultural Revolution” when I hear the Republicans talking. I tell myself it couldn’t happen here, but actually it scares me.

97 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:32:55am

Charles, please do a page on the ark. Pretty please. More people need to see this.

98 Four More Tears  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:32:56am

re: #95 PT Barnum

Just bought “What’s the Matter with Kansas”

I don’t think we’re all ignorant dumbfucks out here in the hinterlands, but we certainly have our share.

I save my worst mocking not for those places that have the most dumbfucks, but for those trying really hard to make more.

99 Four More Tears  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:33:16am

re: #97 Fozzie Bear

Charles, please do a page on the ark. Pretty please. More people need to see this.

I can get behind that.

100 shutdown  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:33:31am

re: #92 Gus 802

Yeah. He’ll help the governor. I can’t believe this. Especially that they’re going to get tax incentives to build a religious (Christian) theme park in the state of Kentucky.

If the citizens of the great commonwealth of Kentucky want to blow wads of their tax money to support a religious themed venue, let them. At least we know there won’t be any federal earmarks headed that way. Besides, it’ll be cool to see what happens when the entire structure turns out to be dangerously unstable and not seaworthy when built to biblical specs.

101 Gus  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:34:57am

re: #100 imp_62

If the citizens of the great commonwealth of Kentucky want to blow wads of their tax money to support a religious themed venue, let them. At least we know there won’t be any federal earmarks headed that way. Besides, it’ll be cool to see what happens when the entire structure turns out to be dangerously unstable and not seaworthy when built to biblical specs.

I thought about that. It could be the “Spruce Goose” of the creationists. Also something rather big (and stupid) to poke fun at.

102 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:35:03am

re: #53 Slumbering Behemoth

I lean conservative…

… am I allowed to be on that side?

/I’ll pass on the sodomy though, thanks.

Why?

103 shutdown  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:36:29am

re: #101 Gus 802

I thought about that. It could be the “Spruce Goose” of the creationists. Also something rather big (and stupid) to poke fun at.

Insuring a giant wood structure miles from the nearest fire department substation should be an interesting exercise in actuarial gymnastics.

104 Gus  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:36:45am

Here’s the official press release from the KY governor’s office:

Governor Steve Beshear’s Communications Office Governor Beshear, Ark Encounter Announce Plans to Build a Full-Scale Noah’s Ark
Press Release Date: Wednesday, December 01, 2010
Contact Information: Kerri Richardson
Jill Midkiff

“Ark Encounter” to employ 900, expected to draw 1.6 million visitors in first year

FRANKFORT, Ky.— Governor Steve Beshear today joined the Ark Encounter LLC to announce the planned construction of a full-scale Noah’s Ark tourist attraction in northern Kentucky. Partnering with the Ark Encounter is Answers in Genesis, which is most widely known for its high-tech and popular Creation Museum in Petersburg, Ky.

“We are excited to join with the Ark Encounter group as it seeks to provide this unique, family-friendly tourist attraction to the Commonwealth,” said Gov. Beshear. “Bringing new jobs to Kentucky is my top priority, and with the estimated 900 jobs this project will create, I am happy about the economic impact this project will have on the Northern Kentucky region.”

The Ark Encounter is scheduled to open in spring 2014 in northern Kentucky. Multiple sites are being considered, although property in Grant County off I-75 is at the top of the list. A feasibility study conducted by the renowned America’s Research Group has indicated that the Ark Encounter may attract 1.6 million visitors in the first year and is expected to employ up to 900 full- and part-time staff.

The for-profit Ark Encounter project will be privately funded at an estimated cost of $150 million. The final site selection for the Ark Encounter is subject to the ability to acquire all of the land needed for the project, and the approval of certain state and local incentives and other assistance for the project.

Continues.

We’re now looking at state sanctioned religion in Kentucky. Also not that the link to the Answer’s in Genesis website for Ark Encounter, LLC.

105 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:37:02am
106 abbyadams  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:37:33am

Anyone know a good French course to take? I think I’m going to need it in Canada, when I’m run out of this country by President Palin as a scientist.

107 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:38:17am

As long as we’re discussing it,

108 shutdown  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:38:42am

This’ll spice up your day

109 Four More Tears  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:38:43am

re: #103 imp_62

Insuring a giant wood structure miles from the nearest fire department substation should be an interesting exercise in actuarial gymnastics.

Dude… Flood? Duh!

110 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:39:07am

re: #88 Decatur Deb

Write a strongly-worded letter to their senator-elect, Rand Paul. He’ll help.

He can be the consultant for the Aqua Buddha ride.

111 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:39:08am

re: #104 Gus 802

Here’s the official press release from the KY governor’s office:

We’re now looking at state sanctioned religion in Kentucky. Also not that the link to the Answer’s in Genesis website for Ark Encounter, LLC.

How much do you want to bet those 900 jobs will not be available to anyone other than Christians? I guarantee it.

112 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:39:28am

re: #104 Gus 802

Here’s the official press release from the KY governor’s office:

We’re now looking at state sanctioned religion in Kentucky. Also not that the link to the Answer’s in Genesis website for Ark Encounter, LLC.

Maybe if they spent twice as much on “stupidity offsets” and educated their children….nah. Still a bad idea.

113 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:39:47am

Interesting tidbit from Ark Encounters FAQ:

Are you doing any non-conventional green building?

Yes. The Troyer Group in Mishawaka, Indiana heads our construction management team. It has one of the largest LEED certified (Leaders in Energy and Environmental Design) staffs in the Midwest. We intend to integrate solar panels along with passive solar, geothermal, water, and wind technologies into our mechanical systems, as well as some other innovative and sustainable technologies to maintain good stewardship during construction and for long-term operations.

We plan to use as many local companies and locally manufactured products as possible in order to maximize efficiency while also enhancing the local economy.

114 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:40:08am

re: #84 Gus 802

Here’s another vid of the announcement.

What cracks me up is the continued use of the phrase “full scale replica of Noah’s Ark”. That folks believe this is even remotely possible would be funny if it weren’t so depressing.

Here’s a post I wrote on that subject a while back:

Has anyone ever taken the time to add up the sizes and weights of “two of every animal” that has ever existed and exists today, and added to that the amount of food, by weight and volume, all of these animals would need to sustain themselves for forty days (including the carnivores, the feeding of which would of course necessitate much more than just “two of every animal”), and then used such info to calculate just how large Noah’s Ark would have to actually be to pull this off?

I am no mathematician, but I’d bet Noah’s Ark would have to be at least the size of Japan, and much like a glacier, would have many more volumes of space plunging below the water line compared to what is visible above it.

Oh, but no. Evolution is a fairy tale./

115 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:40:12am

I hope the ark catches fire, and the fire department refuses to put it out because the ark builders haven’t paid their firefighting bill.

PLEASE GOD LET ME HAVE THIS ONE BIT OF DELICIOUS IRONY

116 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:40:30am

re: #97 Fozzie Bear

Charles, please do a page on the ark. Pretty please. More people need to see this.

I’m putting links together right now.

117 jaunte  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:40:55am
…planned construction of a full-scale Noah’s Ark…
…scheduled to open in spring 2014…


How long was the original Ark construction said to take?

118 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:40:59am

re: #116 Charles

I’m putting links together right now.

YAY!

{Charles}

119 abbyadams  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:41:09am

re: #57 bloodstar

I’m losing hope. Then again, I used to be able to go to The Big Orange Scary Site and find normal people. Now they’re running sane pragmatic people off. I just removed it from my favorites. It’s a shame, because they have people who have good science diaries.

120 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:41:13am

re: #94 Nick Schroeder

You know who else persecuted intellectuals?

Ghandi? No, wait, gimme a minute…

121 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:41:13am

re: #113 Shiplord Kirel

Interesting tidbit from Ark Encounters FAQ:

Does that qualify as “ironic”?

122 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:41:26am

re: #120 Slumbering Behemoth

Ghandi? No, wait, gimme a minute…

Clearly he is referring to Noah.

123 Gus  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:41:39am

re: #114 Slumbering Behemoth

Here’s another vid of the announcement.

What cracks me up is the continued use of the phrase “full scale replica of Noah’s Ark”. That folks believe this is even remotely possible would be funny if it weren’t so depressing.

Here’s a post I wrote on that subject a while back:

Oh, but no. Evolution is a fairy tale./

Notice the accent on the guy doing the intro? That’s likely someone from Answers in Genesis Australia.

124 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:41:44am

I’m astounded that Kentucky Gov. Steve Beshear is actually going to try to give state funding to a creationist theme park. How does this not violate the Establishment Clause?

125 Kronocide  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:41:48am

Time for a defense fund for Mann? This is outrageous.

I listened (and watched some) John Abraham’s evisceration of a Monckton seminar. Excellent work, fair, tactful… factual and scientific yet lacking in hyperbole and rhetoric. Exactly the tact to take. We just need more of it.

126 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:41:51am

re: #114 Slumbering Behemoth

Here’s another vid of the announcement.

What cracks me up is the continued use of the phrase “full scale replica of Noah’s Ark”. That folks believe this is even remotely possible would be funny if it weren’t so depressing.

Here’s a post I wrote on that subject a while back:


Oh, but no. Evolution is a fairy tale./

Obviously Noah didn’t take 2 of every animal.

Why do you think we don’t have unicorns or dinosaurs anymore?

127 abbyadams  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:42:13am

re: #126 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

There’s a song in there, somewhere…
/

128 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:42:36am

re: #124 Charles

I’m astounded that Kentucky Gov. Steve Beshear is actually going to try to give state funding to a creationist theme park. How does this not violate the Establishment Clause?

Their answer: “I didn’t vote for the establishment clause”.

I hardly think these are top-notch constitutional scholars.

129 shutdown  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:43:01am

re: #120 Slumbering Behemoth

Ghandi? No, wait, gimme a minute…

My Mom when she refused to believe I was reading Playboy for the articles?

130 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:43:15am

re: #99 JasonA

I can get behind that.

I told you, I’m the pitcher!!!
/

131 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:43:22am

re: #113 Shiplord Kirel

Interesting tidbit from Ark Encounters FAQ:

I want to know why “How crazy are you?” doesn’t appear in their FAQ.

132 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:43:32am

That video is a hoot.

They want to show the “feasibility” of the ark. This is a monumental facepalm.

133 jaunte  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:43:39am

re: #126 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He had a huge bug collection, though.

134 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:43:51am

re: #124 Charles

I’m astounded that Kentucky Gov. Steve Beshear is actually going to try to give state funding to a creationist theme park. How does this not violate the Establishment Clause?

They’re going to have this biiIIIiiig stack of turtles at the zoo…make sure all beliefs are respected equally….

135 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:44:05am

re: #126 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obviously Noah didn’t take 2 of every animal.

Why do you think we don’t have unicorns or dinosaurs anymore?

If Noah wasn’t such a slacker i’d be riding a gryphon to work every day.

136 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:44:38am

re: #123 Gus 802

Notice the accent on the guy doing the intro? That’s likely someone from Answers in Genesis Australia.

Ken Ham, president and CEO of AiG and the Creation Museum.

137 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:45:02am

re: #135 Fozzie Bear

If Noah wasn’t such a slacker i’d be riding a gryphon to work every day.

DICK!

138 shutdown  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:45:21am

re: #135 Fozzie Bear

If Noah wasn’t such a slacker i’d be riding a gryphon to work every day.

Asshat. Why wouldn’t you want a Triceratops????

139 jaunte  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:46:07am

A ‘Replacement industry’ for declining Kentucky tobacco business.

140 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:46:09am

re: #136 Slumbering Behemoth

Ken Ham, president and CEO of AiG and the Creation Museum.

Ham, Noah’s kid? Figures.

141 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:46:33am

re: #138 imp_62

Asshat. Why wouldn’t you want a Triceratops???

One is a sportscar, the other is an SUV.

142 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:46:43am

re: #138 imp_62

Asshat. Why wouldn’t you want a Triceratops???

Because triceratops can’t fly. Also, I like lions and eagles, so why not get both in one package? It’s like Ligers, but even more awesome.

143 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:47:37am

re: #106 abbyadams

Anyone know a good French course to take? I think I’m going to need it in Canada, when I’m run out of this country by President Palin as a scientist.

We don’t all speak French.

144 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:47:39am

The real question; when does Kentucky collapse under the strain of excessive derp?

145 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:47:40am

Thanos actually posted a link to this story a couple of days ago:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

146 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:48:21am

I feel like i’m in some kind of persistent state of surprise, or maybe just having a stroke. I still can’t believe anyone would be dumb enough to do this. Am I dreaming? Is this real?

147 shutdown  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:48:39am

Strip away the religious element, and all this boils down to is another bunch of smooth talking businessmen looking for tax dollar handouts to bring a couple of jobs to town. They will likely ook for some tax preferential treatment and deferrals. Bottom line: the bottom line. As always.

148 Gus  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:49:22am

ANSWERS IN GENESIS

General Information
Organization Number 0324362
Name ANSWERS IN GENESIS
Company Type ASC - Assumed Name Corporation
Status A - Active
State KY
File Date 9/23/2004
Expiration Date 9/23/2014
Principal Office 2800 BULLITSBURG CHURCH RD.
PETERSBURG, KY 41080
Current Officers
Initial Officers at time of formation
Director KENNETH A. HAM
Director MARK E. LOOY
Director MICHAEL D. ZOVATH
Incorporator KENNETH A. HAM
Incorporator MICHAEL D. ZOVATH
Incorporator MARK E. LOOY

149 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:49:36am

re: #143 b_sharp

nope but to become a citizen you have to speak both english and french, saw that on a website about getting canadian citizenship once.

150 elizajane  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:49:57am

re: #106 abbyadams

Anyone know a good French course to take? I think I’m going to need it in Canada, when I’m run out of this country by President Palin as a scientist.

Run out of the country? You should be so lucky. She’ll have you working on a subsistance farm, or possibly a commercial halibut-fishing boat.

151 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:50:19am

re: #148 Gus 802

Principal Office 2800 BULLITSBURG CHURCH RD.

I think they forgot an ‘SH’ in the address.

152 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:50:24am

re: #105 Killgore Trout

That’s a somewhat misleading headline. Scientists have figured out that bacteria could develop using arsenic instead of phosphorus as a key building block, opening up an even wider range of development paths. It wasn’t that long ago when scientists thought that the deep oceans were lifeless - until Alvin found deep sea vents with all manner of wildlife that got its food supply and energy from those very vents - with a physiology that was totally alien to life elsewhere. Then, further developments found bacteria that grows under superheated conditions - in geothermal vents.

The possibilities are endless and the more we look, the more we’re likely to find.

153 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:50:58am

re: #132 Charles

That video is a hoot.


[Video]They want to show the “feasibility” of the ark. This is a monumental facepalm.

Next up, the Co$ will build a full scale replica of Xenu’s space-plane to demonstrate the feasibility of launching 75 million year old aliens into volcanoes.

154 Gus  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:51:01am

re: #148 Gus 802

ANSWERS IN GENESIS

Kenneth A. Ham. Author of The Lie: Evolution.

155 shutdown  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:51:12am

re: #151 Fozzie Bear

I think they forgot an ‘SH’ in the address.

why is “SHBULLITSBURG” funny?

156 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:52:09am

re: #155 imp_62
Because it’s an anagram of BULLSHITSBURG

157 Lidane  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:52:20am

re: #25 Obdicut

Where does the GOP think that America’s power and wealth comes from, if not science?

From oil, tax cuts for the rich, and Supply Side Jesus, of course. Where else?

158 shutdown  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:52:45am

re: #156 Obdicut

Because it’s an anagram of BULLSHITSBURG

Thank you, Captain Obvious. I was making a joke.
Sheesh. :)

159 reine.de.tout  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:52:47am

re: #2 bloodstar

Republicans, bringing witch hunts back in style.

Some people’s witches are toys in kids’ meals; other people’s witches are scientific study.

Both are sheer idiocy, IMO.

160 TedStriker  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:52:54am

re: #155 imp_62

why is “SHBULLITSBURG” funny?

“It was a joke, son, a joke!” - Foghorn Leghorn

/BullSHittsburg

161 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:53:13am

Has Beshear ever made a statement about his own beliefs on creationism? Is he just doing this purely for economic reasons?

Part of me is insisting this has to be some kind of weird joke.

162 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:53:17am

re: #153 Slumbering Behemoth

Next up, the Co$ will build a full scale replica of Xenu’s space-plane to demonstrate the feasibility of launching 75 million year old aliens into volcanoes.

Hmmm, think I could get Kentucky to back my plans for a scale replica theme park of R’lyeh?

163 shutdown  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:53:38am

re: #157 Lidane

From oil, tax cuts for the rich, and Supply Side Jesus, of course. Where else?

And coal. Which brings us back to Kentucky and the ark, as well as Virginia and the anti-science crowd.

164 Gus  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:53:45am

re: #136 Slumbering Behemoth

Ken Ham, president and CEO of AiG and the Creation Museum.

Kenneth A. Ham B.App.Sc., Dip. Ed. (October 20, 1951 - )

Ken Ham was born in Cairns, Queensland, Australia. He received his Bachelor’s Degree in Applied Science (with an emphasis on Environmental Biology from the Queensland Institute of Technology, Australia in 1974 and received a Diploma of Education (equivalent to a master’s degree in America from Queensland University in 1975. Ken is a fully qualified science teacher and has taught at many schools throughout the State of Queensland including the government’s leading public high school. His academic training and experience are in the field of science education (biology).

Ken was the first full-time worker for the Creation Science Foundation (now Answers in Genesis) in Australia and has lectured widely throughout the world. He was a founding Director of CSF (Answers in Genesis) and was Director of Ministry for the Foundation. Ken came to the United States in 1986 and was a featured speaker for the Institute for Creation Research’s ‘Back to Genesis’ seminars. He has been at the forefront of the modern creationist revival. Ken is now Director and Founder of Answers in Genesis in the United States of America.

Ken has had wide experience on radio talkback shows, radio interviews, television interviews, news reports, television talk shows and newspaper interviews. He is a regular contributor to AIG’s international magazine Creation and often writes for other Christian publications. Ken is a very gifted communicator and a charismatic speaker. A dynamic communicator with a good sense of humor (along with a charming Australian accent), he has the unique ability to make the evolution/creation conflict relevant as it speaks to the important issues of today.

Ham’s book The Lie: Evolution has become a best-seller in America and Australia. Not widely known is that Ken is a keen musician who led his own musical group and composed his own music.

165 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:53:57am

re: #159 reine.de.tout

They may be equally repellant on purely abstract grounds, but rejection of science is far, far, far, far, far, far more dangerous to the prosperity of our nation.

166 Blue Point  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:54:12am

re: #131 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Here it is….Is it going to be like typical theme parks with rides and live performances?

The Ark Encounter will be an immersive, historically themed experience for the whole family focused on having fun while learning about history. It is not an amusement park. It will feature a number of daily live performances, as well as live special events. It will also include “edu-tainment” aspects–educational and entertaining experiences within each attraction.
NEW WORDS!!!!!!!

167 shutdown  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:54:28am

re: #160 talon_262

“It was a joke, son, a joke!” - Foghorn Leghorn

/BullSHittsburg

Do you folks really think I am that thick? I was kidding!!!

168 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:54:59am

re: #146 Fozzie Bear

I feel like i’m in some kind of persistent state of surprise, or maybe just having a stroke. I still can’t believe anyone would be dumb enough to do this. Am I dreaming? Is this real?

Is this gonna be forever?

169 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:55:00am

re: #161 Charles

Has Beshear ever made a statement about his own beliefs on creationism? Is he just doing this purely for economic reasons?

Part of me is insisting this has to be some kind of weird joke.

He’s gotta be just as nuts as the rest of them. I’m with you Charles, in that I am having a hard time believing this is real… but it really seems to be checking out.

170 Lidane  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:55:20am

re: #53 Slumbering Behemoth

/I’ll pass on the sodomy though, thanks.

You realize that sodomy is anything other than straight missionary position sex, right? At least that’s how it was defined here in Texas.

We’re ALL sodomites in one way or another. Heh. ;)

171 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:55:27am

re: #149 Dreggas

nope but to become a citizen you have to speak both english and french, saw that on a website about getting canadian citizenship once.

I don’t think so. It probably meant either English or French.


Yup, I was right.

Canada has two official languages—English and French. You need to have adequate knowledge of one of these two languages in order to become a Canadian citizen.

172 shutdown  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:55:30am

re: #164 Gus 802

Also, Kenneth has never, ever touched himself in an inappropriate way.

173 mikefromArlington  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:55:31am

These assholes are going to go after scientists. What pieces of dirt.

174 reine.de.tout  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:55:34am

re: #132 Charles

That video is a hoot.


[Video]

They want to show the “feasibility” of the ark. This is a monumental facepalm.

“Studies show this theme park will attract thousands of visitors.”


Oh hell.

175 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:55:35am

re: #161 Charles

Has Beshear ever made a statement about his own beliefs on creationism? Is he just doing this purely for economic reasons?

Part of me is insisting this has to be some kind of weird joke.

Yes

“I believe that science ought to be taught in schools and religion ought to be taught at home and in the churches and in the synagogues,” says Beshear.

176 jaunte  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:56:11am

Looks like the Chinese got there first:

Hong Kong Christens an Ark of Biblical Proportions
The First Built as Big as Noah’s, It Joins a Global Regatta of Replicas
[Link: online.wsj.com…]

177 reine.de.tout  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:56:32am

re: #165 Obdicut

They may be equally repellant on purely abstract grounds, but rejection of science is far, far, far, far, far, far more dangerous to the prosperity of our nation.

Absolutely! Not one iota of disagreement from me there.

Just pointing out that there are all sorts of “witch hunts” going on, all around us.

178 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:56:36am

re: #174 reine.de.tout

Oh hell.

I’m building an Ark for us sane people to leave the Earth.
Want in?

179 abbyadams  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:57:00am

re: #143 b_sharp

I know. :-) I’ve spent some vacation time in your beautiful country, and I’m a hockey fanatic. Sidney Crosby’s french = pretty grim.

180 prairiefire  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:57:06am

re: #94 Nick Schroeder

You know who else persecuted intellectuals?

Mao.

181 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:57:21am

re: #174 reine.de.tout

Oh hell.

Maybe its a trap.

First, you get them all in one place.

Then you reveal your fully armed and operational battlestation.

Then you loose to a bunch of muppets.

Shit, never mind then.

182 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:57:45am

re: #178 Varek Raith

I’m building an Ark for us sane people to leave the Earth.
Want in?

If we can call it a “battlestar” and strategically replace certain curse words with close analogues, i’m in.

183 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:57:50am

re: #162 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hmmm, think I could get Kentucky to back my plans for a scale replica theme park of R’lyeh?

Cool. I’m getting kind of tired of my old digs.
/

184 TedStriker  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:58:09am

re: #175 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yes

That was three years ago, before the TPers came along and Rand Paul was elected in KY…it wouldn’t surprise me if he backpedals from that position to court them now.

185 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:58:24am

re: #182 Fozzie Bear

If we can call it a “battlestar” and strategically replace certain curse words with close analogues, i’m in.

So frakking say we all!

186 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:58:49am

re: #185 Varek Raith

So frakking say we all!

Fething heretics.

187 Gus  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:59:03am

re: #161 Charles

Has Beshear ever made a statement about his own beliefs on creationism? Is he just doing this purely for economic reasons?

Part of me is insisting this has to be some kind of weird joke.

Thanos put up a page about him:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

188 reine.de.tout  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:59:18am

re: #178 Varek Raith

I’m building an Ark for us sane people to leave the Earth.
Want in?

Oh, hell yeah!
This will be a space ark, I take it?

189 Lidane  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:59:53am

re: #178 Varek Raith

I’m building an Ark for us sane people to leave the Earth.
Want in?

Only if it’s got better defenses than the Death Star. I don’t care how secure it might be, if it’s indestructible except for one small and virtually inaccessible vulnerable spot, I still won’t trust it. ;)

190 abbyadams  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 10:59:53am

re: #171 b_sharp

Am I incorrect in that both languages are taught in school?

Or did I just learn from this?

191 Interesting Times  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:00:08am
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Happy LGF birthday to me :)

192 reine.de.tout  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:01:10am

re: #191 publicityStunted

Happy LGF birthday to me :)

Ha!
Happy LGF b’day!
You’re fully broken in, now.

193 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:01:10am

re: #161 Charles

Not sure about that, but they’re justifying all this by claiming that they’ll get 1.6 million visitors annually and create 900 jobs. The original Creation Museum was expected to draw 250k annually, but has already drawn 1 million a year so those figures aren’t farfetched either.

They’re feeding demand, whether Beshear believes/espouses this crap or not. And how many kids will be indoctrinated/confused by this nonsense?

194 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:01:14am

re: #188 reine.de.tout

Oh, hell yeah!
This will be a space ark, I take it?

Does the God-Emperor sit much?

195 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:01:31am

re: #175 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yes

Wow. So he doesn’t support teaching creationism, but sees nothing wrong with handing over millions of state dollars to build a ludicrous creationist park for a dishonest fundamentalist Christian group run by fanatics.

What the hell is wrong with Beshear?

196 shutdown  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:02:26am

re: #193 lawhawk

Not sure about that, but they’re justifying all this by claiming that they’ll get 1.6 million visitors annually and create 900 jobs. The original Creation Museum was expected to draw 250k annually, but has already drawn 1 million a year so those figures aren’t farfetched either.

They’re feeding demand, whether Beshear believes/espouses this crap or not. And how many kids will be indoctrinated/confused by this nonsense?

Wow. That museum has truly evolved been fully created by God to be a major attraction.

197 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:02:33am

re: #195 Charles

Wow. So he doesn’t support teaching creationism, but sees nothing wrong with handing over millions of state dollars to build a ludicrous creationist park for a dishonest fundamentalist Christian group run by fanatics.

What the hell is wrong with Beshear?

Money trumps all.

198 Lidane  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:02:34am

re: #195 Charles

What the hell is wrong with Beshear?

He’s dealing with the 2010 Republican party.

199 elizajane  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:03:09am

re: #191 publicityStunted

Happy LGF birthday to me :)

Hey! Me too!

elizajane

Berkeley prof, lots of kids, spend too much time online.

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200 reine.de.tout  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:03:19am
“Accentuates the faith and values” of county residents.

That’s from the video (not the governor, someone else).

Very clearly stated, this is a faith-based theme park, not a Disney fantasy theme park. Well, it’ll be fantasy, but those folks just don’t realize it.

201 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:03:48am

re: #195 Charles

Wow. So he doesn’t support teaching creationism, but sees nothing wrong with handing over millions of state dollars to build a ludicrous creationist park for a dishonest fundamentalist Christian group run by fanatics.

What the hell is wrong with Beshear?

He lacks one of these, apparently. Or one of these. Take your pick. I think it’s probably the first.

202 reine.de.tout  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:04:13am

re: #199 elizajane

Hey! Me too!

elizajane

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Berkeley?
Berkeley?
Berserkely?

Happy LGF b’day, to you too!

203 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:04:14am

Creation Museum seeking tax breaks for Ark Encounter theme park

“What on earth is wrong with our economic development cabinet?” said Edgewood attorney Mark Guilfoyle. “They sit on their hands while the airport twists in the wind, then they spend time and energy incenting an amusement park? That cabinet has really misplaced priorities.”

What on earth indeed.

204 APox  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:05:31am

Call me crazy, but if republicans had to recognize climate change…. Wouldn’t they have to start issuing new climate change laws? Wouldn’t that require big business/corporations to make massive overhauls (read-lots of money) to the way they do business?

You guys say they are incredibly short sighted… I’d say they are just serving their most important constituents.

Or is that too conspiracy theory sounding? :)

205 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:06:09am

But we can’t afford to do more alternative energy research. Arks are fine, alternative energy, not so much.

206 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:06:09am

re: #201 Fozzie Bear

He lacks one of these, apparently. Or one of these. Take your pick. I think it’s probably the first.

It’s Bush’s fault.

207 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:06:50am

re: #166 nines09

“Historically themed”? Ha!

208 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:07:20am

LOLOL.
FoxNews broke away from the Nasa press conference because Megan Kelly didn’t understand it.
LOL.

209 reine.de.tout  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:07:49am

re: #204 APox

Call me crazy, but if republicans had to recognize climate change… Wouldn’t they have to start issuing new climate change laws? Wouldn’t that require big business/corporations to make massive overhauls (read-lots of money) to the way they do business?

You guys say they are incredibly short sighted… I’d say they are just serving their most important constituents.

Or is that too conspiracy theory sounding? :)

My theory is that the GOP is against climate change, because the Dems are for it.
Very simply, that, and and a completely idiotic “that”.

210 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:07:53am

NASA Press conference live
[Link: www.cnn.com…]

211 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:08:13am

re: #208 Varek Raith

LOLOL.
FoxNews broke away from the Nasa press conference because Megan Kelly didn’t understand it.
LOL.

HA!

212 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:09:18am

re: #210 Killgore Trout

NASA Press conference live
[Link: www.cnn.com…]

Call me when they’re launching something. Or blowing something up. Or remote-piloting an adorable robot with the personality of R2-D2 on Venus.

Otherwise, I’ll read the summary.

213 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:09:20am

re: #190 abbyadams

Am I incorrect in that both languages are taught in school?

Or did I just learn from this?

Both are still taught, but out west we only have to take it until grade 8.

The number of immersion schools has dropped from 4 to 1 in the city I live in. We’re a bit too conservative for my tastes.

214 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:09:52am

re: #170 Lidane

You realize that sodomy is anything other than straight missionary position sex, right? At least that’s how it was defined here in Texas.

We’re ALL sodomites in one way or another. Heh. ;)

Ah, you’re right. I forgot about that.

In that case, I’ve sodomized the hell out of some ladies. Hope they don’t send Chuck Norris after me. He becomes an honorary Texas Ranger today, don’t ya know?

215 harrisam  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:10:38am

Noah’s Ark
NOAH  
In the year 2010, the Lord came unto Noah, who was now living in Australia , and said: 
Once again, the earth has become wicked and over-populated, and I see the end of all flash before me.
Build another Ark and save 2 of every living thing along with a few good humans.
He gave Noah the blueprints, saying: You have 6 months to build the Ark before I will start the unending rain for 40 days and 40 nights.
Six months later, the Lord looked down and saw Noah weeping in his yard - but no Ark.
Noah! He roared, I’m about to start the rain! Where is the Ark ?
I needed a building permit.
I’ve been arguing with the inspector about the need for a sprinkler system.
My neighbors claim that I’ve violated the neighborhood zoning laws by building the Ark in my yard and exceeding the height limitations.  We had to go to the Development Appeal Board for a decision.
Then the Department of Transportation demanded a bond be posted for the future costs of moving power lines and other overhead obstructions, to clear the passage for the Ark ‘s move to the sea. I told them that the sea would be coming to us, but they would hear nothing of it.
Getting the wood was another problem. There’s a ban on cutting local trees in order to save the spotted owl.
I tried to convince the environmentalists that I needed the wood to save the owls - but no go!
When I started gathering the animals, an animal rights group sued me. 
They insisted that I was confining wild animals against their will. 
They argued the accommodations were too restrictive, and it was cruel and inhumane  to put so many animals in a confined space.
Then the EPA ruled that I couldn’t build the Ark until they’d conducted an environmental impact study on your proposed flood.  I’m still trying to resolve A complaint with the Human Rights Commission on how many minorities I’m supposed to hire for my building crew.
Immigration and Naturalization are checking the status of most of the people who want to work.
The trades unions say I can’t use my sons. They insist I have to hire only Union workers with Ark-building experience. To make matters worse, the Tax Office seized all my assets, claiming I’m trying to leave the country illegally with endangered species.
So, forgive me, Lord, but it would take at least 10 years for me to finish this Ark.
Suddenly the skies cleared, the sun began to shine, and a rainbow stretched across the sky.
Noah looked up in wonder and asked,
’You mean you’re not going to destroy the world?’
’No,’ said the Lord.                     
’The government beat me to it.’


216 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:11:10am

Actually, NASA could probably increase their funding if they added a little ballistics gel and Kari Byron in her pigtails.

217 reine.de.tout  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:15:27am

Listening to this press conference - these guys are so excited about this! It must be incredibly exciting for scientists when something brand new like this is discovered.

My daughter is majoring in biology. I just sent her a link to the story Killgore posted on a page earlier. She’s gonna love this …

218 shutdown  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:15:36am
219 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:16:07am

re: #216 EmmmieG

Actually, NASA could probably increase their funding if they added a little ballistics gel and Kari Byron in her pigtails.

Should I add, at this point, for all the non-Mythbusters fans, that I am talking about Kari Byron looking adorable while shooting the daylights out of something made out of ballistics gel?

220 shutdown  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:16:08am

re: #218 imp_62

[Link: news.blogs.cnn.com…]

Sorry - title is : Is Julian Assange in Britain?

221 CarleeCork  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:16:10am

re: #42 Fozzie Bear

EVERYBODY needs to watch the video linked in post #30. Seriously. Go, do it now.

My mind is completely fucking blown.


Unfuckingbelievable!

222 abbyadams  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:16:13am

re: #213 b_sharp

Thanks for the info! I was curious about what was required - when we went to the Atlantic Provinces, it seemed like both were spoken equally, English in Ontario, and (obviously) French in Quebec. Quebec really threw me - we hardly saw any English anywhere.


It’s still quite preferable to what we have take here in PA - 4 years of a language (usually only Spanish, French, or German are offered,) and not until high school. Way past the prime point of learning a new language.

223 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:16:36am

Because you know, if you discredit the scientist, mother nature will changer her ways….

This is not only an abuse of power and all the stone age nonsense we can call it from the GOP. This is disastrously dangerous. Taking down the people who know the most about a problem is the worst thing you can do to face a problem.

In this case, please let me reiterate.

We are due to hit 4 degrees by 2060-2070 at present course. It is now almost impossible to hold the world to only a two degree rise by 2100. To do so would require an 80% reduction in our emissions by 2050 starting NOW. We are not starting now or even next year. If the GOP has its way we will never start.

A three degree world is already intolerable and we will get that sometime in the 2050’s. If we have waited that long to change things, that almost guarantees a five degree world by 2100 and makes a six degree world quite possible.

To put this in perspective:

4 degrees is the loss of major cities and river deltas coupled with a drastic reduction in food supply and spread of contagion. Hundreds of millions of “climate refugees” will be displaced around the globe. The maps we know now will look significantly different.

5 degrees is the utter collapse of American agriculture and most of worldwide agriculture and significant loss of species. Climate refugees are in the billions. War over diminishing resources like food and clean water becomes inevitable. Civilization as we know it collapses.

6 degrees is mass extinctions - possibly including our on species.

224 TedStriker  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:18:00am

re: #216 EmmmieG

Actually, NASA could probably increase their funding if they added a little ballistics gel and Kari Byron in her pigtails.

The more virulent TPers and Bible-thumpers probably would like to burn her and the rest of the MythBusters cast at the stake as witches/warlocks….

There’s some real bad anti-science craziness going on nowadays…

225 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:19:50am

re: #223 LudwigVanQuixote

And the way to combat this, beyond attempting to live a life that’s restrained in its use of resources, is to write to your congresspeople, your senators, your representatives— at every level— to your governor, the president, to absolutely everyone you can think of, and tell them how important this issue is to you.

Speak up when you hear scientists slandered, direct people to good resources like [Link: www.skepticalscience.org….] Stress that we can do something about the problem, and that if we don’t take the lead in green energy, China will, and America will lose its dominance in the world. Stress that green energy means jobs, and black energy means the loss of jobs.

226 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:20:28am

re: #132 Charles

If there is a Jesus, they will try to float that thing down the Ohio River. “Lemon test?”…Establishment clause? The pertinent questions here are “Will there be dinosaurs on the Ark?” Cincinnati media, grabbing truth by the balls then stroking it softly.

227 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:21:37am

re: #225 Obdicut

Linky no worky. :(

228 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:22:05am

re: #225 Obdicut

grr. PIMF.

Skepticalscience.com

229 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:22:20am

re: #228 Obdicut

Double grr.

[Link: www.skepticalscience.com…]

230 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:25:15am

re: #205 Fozzie Bear

But we can’t afford to do more alternative energy research. Arks are fine, alternative energy, not so much.

So much of the research is already there.

So so much.

That is not the bottleneck.

Greed, corruption, stupidity and utter short sightedness causes the bottleneck.

231 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:27:04am

Obama and George Sorors are allowing arsenic based life forms to invade the US!
New Arsenic Order!
/Glenn Beck

232 elizajane  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:28:31am

re: #223 LudwigVanQuixote

Because you know, if you discredit the scientist, mother nature will changer her ways…

This is not only an abuse of power and all the stone age nonsense we can call it from the GOP. This is disastrously dangerous. Taking down the people who know the most about a problem is the worst thing you can do to face a problem.

In this case, please let me reiterate.

We are due to hit 4 degrees by 2060-2070 at present course. It is now almost impossible to hold the world to only a two degree rise by 2100. To do so would require an 80% reduction in our emissions by 2050 starting NOW. We are not starting now or even next year. If the GOP has its way we will never start.

A three degree world is already intolerable and we will get that sometime in the 2050’s. If we have waited that long to change things, that almost guarantees a five degree world by 2100 and makes a six degree world quite possible.

To put this in perspective:

4 degrees is the loss of major cities and river deltas coupled with a drastic reduction in food supply and spread of contagion. Hundreds of millions of “climate refugees” will be displaced around the globe. The maps we know now will look significantly different.

5 degrees is the utter collapse of American agriculture and most of worldwide agriculture and significant loss of species. Climate refugees are in the billions. War over diminishing resources like food and clean water becomes inevitable. Civilization as we know it collapses.

6 degrees is mass extinctions - possibly including our on species.

Did somebody here link recently to the study by a psychologist and a sociologist that said that the worse people think things will be, the more they resist doing anything to prevent it and indeed the less they are inclined to believe it? It was possible to win arguments about, say, water pollution because the problem seemed manageable and one could demonstrate the effects of simple, practical behavioral changes. But when people here climate scientists say “the sky is falling” the instinct (even among liberals in this study) was to say “Begone, Chicken Little!”

Their conclusion: you can only tell people about limited problems and expect cooperation in finding solutions.

So the quandary for climate scientists is that while Ludwig is right in his facts (as the models now stand), you cannot effectively present this information to the public. You get disbelief at best, and you get Kevin Cucinellied at worst.

It is to know despair.

233 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:28:46am

Something like Ark Encounter might be fun as a fantasy theme park, along the lines of the Flintstones or Alley Oop.
If you portrayed it that way, though, the Biblical literalists would go apeshit, demonstrating outside the gate, spreading rumors about satanism and teh ghey, and eventually putting your ark to the torch.

234 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:28:56am

re: #205 Fozzie Bear

But we can’t afford to do more alternative energy research. Arks are fine, alternative energy, not so much.

While Ky governor greenlights creationist theme park, Ohio’s incoming governor is squashing high speed rail.

The futures so bright, I gotta where shades.

235 albusteve  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:29:52am

wowzer….seems the Christian culturalists have an endless supply of self delusion….hunker down, praise the lord and pass the ammo

236 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:30:11am

re: #233 Shiplord Kirel

Something like Ark Encounter might be fun as a fantasy theme park, along the lines of the Flintstones or Alley Oop.
If you portrayed it that way, though, the Biblical literalists would go apeshit, demonstrating outside the gate, spreading rumors about satanism and teh ghey, and eventually putting your ark to the torch.

I think its a secret escape plan for conservatives when the oceans rise from global warming. If the ark could hold all the animals it could surely fit all the wingnuts.

237 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:30:28am

re: #231 Killgore Trout

Obama and George Sorors are allowing arsenic based life forms to invade the US!
New Arsenic Order!
/Glenn Beck

I for one welcome our new metalloid overlords.

238 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:31:05am

Part of the problem is NIMBYism and especially not hearing what science has to say.

At a photography web site I regularly read, an 69 year old from New York state was showing pictures of all the “pretty deer” that come to feed on the thousands of pounds he puts out for them every year. Yes thousands - 3,500 lbs last year according to him. And he says this keeps them safe from hunters like me (killing a deer with a rifle is “a sin” - his words.).

Yet never mind that such crowded feeding has been repeatedly linked to establishing and spreading prion based Chronic Wasting Disease. Never mind that it’s even illegal to feed like that in New York. He doesn’t care/doesn’t believe that. All he wants is his “pretty” deer to be “safe” from evil hunters and other predators. The level of utter ignorance of basic ecology and biology in his posts is depressing.

But it doesn’t matter to him, he’ll probably already be dead of old age when the deer start falling over, dying in a far more vile manner than if I or another hunter had shot them with a rifle.

Feh.

239 Gus  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:31:44am

Here’s a start for this Noah’s ark theme park. Put all of the animals in the hull of the ship and in the same environment which. Don’t use modern technology to provide each animal exhibit with its own species specific environment by way of mechanical engineering. The animals wouldn’t survive for long.

Another thing I’m looking at is that this theme park will raise a lot of animal welfare issues. Although, I’m pretty sure there will be more animal models and dioramas as opposed to the real thing. I’m just hoping they have a special exhibit in some far off dark corner of the ship featuring Noah and Ham.

240 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:32:09am

re: #232 elizajane

Did somebody here link recently to the study by a psychologist and a sociologist that said that the worse people think things will be, the more they resist doing anything to prevent it and indeed the less they are inclined to believe it? It was possible to win arguments about, say, water pollution because the problem seemed manageable and one could demonstrate the effects of simple, practical behavioral changes. But when people here climate scientists say “the sky is falling” the instinct (even among liberals in this study) was to say “Begone, Chicken Little!”

Their conclusion: you can only tell people about limited problems and expect cooperation in finding solutions.

So the quandary for climate scientists is that while Ludwig is right in his facts (as the models now stand), you cannot effectively present this information to the public. You get disbelief at best, and you get Kevin Cucinellied at worst.

It is to know despair.

BUt you see the thing is that we do have the technology to prevent this! I keep telling peole that too. All of these predictions are if we keep going as we are now!

It doesn’t have to be this way. We have the power to change it.

241 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:32:57am

re: #234 Jeff In Ohio

While Ky governor greenlights creationist theme park, Ohio’s incoming governor is squashing high speed rail.

The futures so bright, I gotta where shades.

Same thing with the incoming Governor here. Kill the trains, cut the schools & make sure to rewrite the tax laws so that corporations don’t have to pay squat.

Feh.

242 Gus  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:32:59am

re: #236 Killgore Trout

I think its a secret escape plan for conservatives when the oceans rise from global warming. If the ark could hold all the animals it could surely fit all the wingnuts.

They can call it the SS Wingnut. Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin will repopulate the Earth with humans. Or in that case, sub-humans.

/

243 albusteve  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:33:53am

re: #238 wlewisiii

Part of the problem is NIMBYism and especially not hearing what science has to say.

At a photography web site I regularly read, an 69 year old from New York state was showing pictures of all the “pretty deer” that come to feed on the thousands of pounds he puts out for them every year. Yes thousands - 3,500 lbs last year according to him. And he says this keeps them safe from hunters like me (killing a deer with a rifle is “a sin” - his words.).

Yet never mind that such crowded feeding has been repeatedly linked to establishing and spreading prion based Chronic Wasting Disease. Never mind that it’s even illegal to feed like that in New York. He doesn’t care/doesn’t believe that. All he wants is his “pretty” deer to be “safe” from evil hunters and other predators. The level of utter ignorance of basic ecology and biology in his posts is depressing.

But it doesn’t matter to him, he’ll probably already be dead of old age when the deer start falling over, dying in a far more vile manner than if I or another hunter had shot them with a rifle.

Feh.

deer herds are fragile and need to be culled for practical reasons….too many deer and the weakest will spread disease like poop through a goose…messing around like that always backfires

244 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:34:34am

re: #170 Lidane

You realize that sodomy is anything other than straight missionary position sex, right? At least that’s how it was defined here in Texas.

We’re ALL sodomites in one way or another. Heh. ;)

Ich bin ein Sodomiter!!!!!!

245 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:37:47am

re: #244 Amory Blaine

[Link: www.aolnews.com…]



PIMF

246 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:39:52am

re: #232 elizajane

Their conclusion: you can only tell people about limited problems and expect cooperation in finding solutions.

If this is correct, we have discovered a lethal inability to adapt in our species and it will be corrected in the natural way.

For those that don’t get the full implication of this, many other species, now extinct were corrected as well when the realities of their world exceeded their ability to cope.

247 engineer cat  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:41:09am

President Smiley McMormonpants Urges Cheerful Smileyness In Face Of Continued Depression

“i heard some so-called ‘experts’ who said some bad things about our Plan To End The Depression With More Tax Cuts For The Rich, but i couldn’t understand all their stupid big words so poopy-doopy-do. hey - didja see that new spongebob squarepants cartoon? i think everybody should listen to Our Precious And Curiously Sensitive Millionaire Job Creator Most Valuable Americans who tell me that Our Plan is rilly rilly great!!!

and remember: smile!!!”

248 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:42:27am

re: #238 wlewisiii

It’s been my experience that the overwhelming majority of hunters are very environmentally conscious and respectful of such. I’ve yet to meet one that is anything like Ted Nugent.

249 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:43:25am

re: #248 Slumbering Behemoth

I know some jackasses who ‘hunt’ by going down to their local salt marsh and blasting at ducks.

I don’t know any hunters who actually go into the woods, into the wilderness, who aren’t also conservationists.

250 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:43:57am

re: #248 Slumbering Behemoth

It’s been my experience that the overwhelming majority of hunters are very environmentally conscious and respectful of such. I’ve yet to meet one that is anything like Ted Nugent.

Shudder. Every time that asshat opens his mouth he hurts the rest of us who hunt.

251 albusteve  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:44:17am

re: #248 Slumbering Behemoth

It’s been my experience that the overwhelming majority of hunters are very environmentally conscious and respectful of such. I’ve yet to meet one that is anything like Ted Nugent.

last whitetail I took was a mess….three rounds at 50 yrds with a 12ga….I never shot another deer after that disaster

252 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:44:39am

re: #232 elizajane

It is to know despair.

Sickened fury that dims my eye and ages me before my time is better said.

Honestly, I am so tired of the morons out there, that I would be happy to let them all die - if they were doing it on some other planet where everyone I love didn’t live and everything I care about didn’t reside.

If there were some way to make a planet for the 90% of the species that is literally - understand I mean this literally- too stupid to survive, and let them kill themselves off, I would say good riddance.

But since we are stuck in the same eco-system as them, and they outnumber those with a clue, they will drag us all down with them.

And by the way, too stupid to survive is meant in the full and absolutely accurate, Darwinian sense. They are too stupid to see something that will kill them and get out of the way.

253 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:45:06am

re: #75 iossarian

Ham, Shem and Japheth on you!

Ah, the Three Stooges of the Bible. /first read the italicized as Shemp (go figure!)

254 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:45:09am

re: #242 Gus 802

They can call it the SS Wingnut. Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin will repopulate the Earth with humans. Or in that case, sub-humans.

/

And evolution will take it’s course, producing a sapien species that is immune to both logic and reason.

255 albusteve  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:45:23am

re: #250 wlewisiii

Shudder. Every time that asshat opens his mouth he hurts the rest of us who hunt.

big game trophies….that’s where I draw the line and he has a warehouse full of them

256 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:53:34am

re: #255 albusteve

big game trophies…that’s where I draw the line and he has a warehouse full of them

I don’t mind people keeping the rack if they wish but if that’s the only reason? Now, OTOH, a very good friend of mine has a beautiful mount in his living room. I sat under it once while eating a steak from that very deer :)

257 albusteve  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 11:55:07am

re: #256 wlewisiii

I don’t mind people keeping the rack if they wish but if that’s the only reason? Now, OTOH, a very good friend of mine has a beautiful mount in his living room. I sat under it once while eating a steak from that very deer :)

I’m talking a 40k musk ox or whatever

258 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 12:21:01pm

re: #59 imp_62

Not quite accurate. The hypothetical young scientist in your example may find it difficult and unrewrding to do climate research in the United States. But Oxbridge, the Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich, and the Weizman Institute will welcome bright minds with open arms. The US can become an agrarian society again — “breadbasket of the world” has a nice ring to it.

Except that the U.S. will be using 19th Century farming methods. Which won’t be enough to feed itself, never mind the world.

It will be impossible to reject science and use modern farming methods.

259 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 12:31:42pm

re: #135 Fozzie Bear

If Noah wasn’t such a slacker i’d be riding a gryphon to work every day.

Have you ever tried to feed one of those things? Gasoline is a lot cheaper than beef.

260 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 12:34:10pm

re: #149 Dreggas

nope but to become a citizen you have to speak both english and french, saw that on a website about getting canadian citizenship once.

Nope. My wife, who lives in the States currently, is applying to move here and there hasn’t been a peep about her learning French.

However, Quebec has some say on who immigrates there and they would prefer you speak French.

261 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 12:37:26pm

“Part of the re: #259 Romantic Heretic

Have you ever tried to feed one of those things? Gasoline is a lot cheaper than beef.

Mine will eat creationists. Much cheaper than beef, and far dumber than cows.

262 Lidane  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 1:29:14pm

re: #249 Obdicut

There are hunters and sportsmen, and there are assholes who just want a legal excuse to shoot things. =P

263 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 2, 2010 1:43:04pm

the GOP is evil

this is just straight up evil


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