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Fools ignore complexity. Pragmatists suffer it. Some can avoid it. Geniuses remove it.
— Alan Perlis
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:24:08pm |
The older I get, the more complex things seem to be.
Makes my head swim and I want to go back into my hibernation cave.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:26:08pm |
Have a great morning and stay positive until proven otherwise.
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Irenicum Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:32:17pm |
Complexity. Hmm. Sounds contradictalicious. I likes itz. And with that, good night for real gang.
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Stanghazi Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:33:17pm |
mosaaberizing Mosa'ab Elshamy
Breakfast now being distributed and shared. Families living in Tahrir are doing an amazing job in their solidarity. #Jan25
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Kragar Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:37:06pm |
Troops wearing riot gear toted automatic weapons and stood guard in the area around Cairo's Tahrir Square early Friday, as anti-government demonstrators promised another day of large protests to demand President Hosni Mubarak's resignation.
Security forces detained some people leaving the square, pointing guns at them and forcing them to lie on the ground. Others blocked the nearby October 6 bridge.
A handful of pro-government protesters cheered as large vans filled with security forces arrived at the square around 6 a.m. (11 p.m. ET). It was unclear whether those inside were members of the military or police.
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Stanghazi Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:45:58pm |
occupiedcairo Occupied Cairo
by Sandmonkey
If you are planning to go to tahrir go early. The army is setting up a new layer of barrier. Making it hard to get in. #jan25
1 minute ago
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Stanghazi Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:51:22pm |
Sandmonkey Sandmonkey
People, general rule on middle-east leaders: Never believe their words, just monitor their actions. Protesters safe my ass! #jan25
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justaminute Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:55:54pm |
re: #9 Stanley Sea
No, sorry. I am following you tweets. I am painting at the same time watching for you and watching cnn too.
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Stanghazi Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:58:26pm |
re: #11 justaminute
No, sorry. I am following you tweets. I am painting at the same time watching for you and watching cnn too.
Ah, relief. So how's the nightstand (?) going?
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engineer cat Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:59:17pm |
sometimes i startle job applicants with the question: "what's the first principle of engineering?"
i will accept "simplicity" or "the KISS principle"
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Stanghazi Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:59:26pm |
mosaaberizing Mosa'ab Elshamy
Talaat Harb and Tahrir st. are safe, thug-free entrances. Head from there. #Tahrir
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justaminute Thu, Feb 3, 2011 11:01:42pm |
re: #12 Stanley Sea
Ah, relief. So how's the nightstand (?) going?
Pretty fast. I have a base coat (black) then on top of that an antique white , then I am applying a stencil. On top of that a crackle glaze. It's gonna take forever. After this I'm going to do a dresser.
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Stanghazi Thu, Feb 3, 2011 11:04:27pm |
re: #16 justaminute
Pretty fast. I have a base coat (black) then on top of that an antique white , then I am applying a stencil. On top of that a crackle glaze. It's gonna take forever. After this I'm going to do a dresser.
One day you will sleep. Good work!
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justaminute Thu, Feb 3, 2011 11:07:26pm |
re: #17 Stanley Sea
Thanks. I am glad I have something to do because I would have stayed up anyway because I can not let this story go. I know what happened to the Iranian people and hoping this does not go the same way.
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Stanghazi Thu, Feb 3, 2011 11:11:24pm |
re: #18 justaminute
Thanks. I am glad I have something to do because I would have stayed up anyway because I can not let this story go. I know what happened to the Iranian people and hoping this does not go the same way.
We hope. And I hope so bad the Green revolution starts up again. It's all about the people and what they want. And should demand. gah
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Stanghazi Thu, Feb 3, 2011 11:12:09pm |
BreakingNews Breaking News
Leading member of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood says movement has no ambitions to run for presidency - Al-Jazeera [Link: bit.ly...]
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justaminute Thu, Feb 3, 2011 11:16:26pm |
re: #19 Stanley Sea
It's going to have to be something that will move more than the Youth. It will have to be at least 8 million people, Until they can get a mass there is no way they can overcome the Revolutionary Guards and the Basij.
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Stanghazi Thu, Feb 3, 2011 11:17:52pm |
From the Aljazeera live blog:
[Link: blogs.aljazeera.net...]
9:03am: One of our correspondent just wrote on Twitter: "Festive and Celebratory atmosphere that marked the days of the protest b4 Pro-mubarak peeps attacked is back in #tahrir"
And, about 20 minutes ago, another of our reporters wrote: "Dozens of police trucks in side streets around Pres Palace.Yes thats right police!Haven't seen them in a while."
8:59am: Mohammed al-Beltagi, a leading member of the Muslim Brotherhood, tells Al Jazeera that his movement has no ambitions to run for the Egyptian presidency.
8:29am: Our correspondent writes on Twitter: "by 7am friday: chants of 'get out' 'invalid' 'leave' resonating louder than ever this time of day"
8:21am: Salma El Tarzi, a protester in Tahrir Square, tells Al Jazeera over the phone that the moral in the square is high and the atmosphere cheerful, "like a festival", with thousands of people arriving.
8:01am: The curfew has now been lifted and protests are due to start at noon, after Friday prayers.
7:53am: Mona Seif, an Egyptian activist, just posted this picture from Tharir Square this morning.
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justaminute Thu, Feb 3, 2011 11:29:05pm |
re: #21 justaminute
It's going to have to be something that will move more than the Youth. It will have to be at least 8 million people, Until they can get a mass there is no way they can overcome the Revolutionary Guards and the Basij.
In Iran uprising that I mentioned that would be 8 million in Tehran alone and that amount in each of the other major cities.
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Stanghazi Thu, Feb 3, 2011 11:43:14pm |
Sandmonkey Sandmonkey
I marvel at their stupidity: incite the population against foriegners in a country that depends on tourism? WTF? #JN25
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reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 3, 2011 11:45:09pm |
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reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 3, 2011 11:46:08pm |
re: #27 reine.de.tout
Sandmonkey is so very often a voice of great reason.
Here's another one:
Sandmonkey Sandmonkey
People, general rule on middle-east leaders: Never believe their words, just monitor their actions. Protesters safe my ass! #jan25
Remember this when the MB says they have no wish to run for Presidency.
Maybe they don't. But maybe they do.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 3, 2011 11:47:19pm |
ashrafkhalil ashraf khalil
by monaeltahawy
Told Nile TV that the main economic damage to #egypt is from Net shutdown (estimated $90 mill) and images of violence scaring away tourists
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reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 3, 2011 11:48:01pm |
Damn, I need to get some sleep, but it appears things are about to get going in Egypt just now.
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Stanghazi Thu, Feb 3, 2011 11:49:22pm |
re: #30 reine.de.tout
Damn, I need to get some sleep, but it appears things are about to get going in Egypt just now.
You should be asleep now, no doubt, but...
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reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 3, 2011 11:50:12pm |
re: #31 Stanley Sea
You should be asleep now, no doubt, but...
Oh, yes.
Almost 2 a.m.
Can't keep my eyes open, LOL.
Gonna head in, I'll check back in the a.m.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Feb 3, 2011 11:52:33pm |
re: #21 justaminute
It's going to have to be something that will move more than the Youth. It will have to be at least 8 million people, Until they can get a mass there is no way they can overcome the Revolutionary Guards and the Basij.
The Basij need to have their secrecy stripped, their identities published, and their back broken swiftly. Any future uprising needs to preemptively greet them at their doorsteps with an ultimatum, either stand down now or catch an axe to the face. Otherwise it's is likely to fail. Maybe harsh, but they've definitely earned it. There's no dealing with Basij peacefully, they need to be excised like a cancer.
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Alexzander Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:14:14am |
The opening quote reminds me of some thoughts of Wittgenstein's:
Philosophy unties knots in our thinking; hence its result must be simple, but philosophising has to be as complicated as the knots it unties.1 453 (zettel)
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Alexzander Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:19:42am |
Who's still here? I'm kinda lonely and up for late discussion as we head into this potentially crucial day.
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justaminute Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:24:15am |
Back. I went to AJ live and there is a live feed. I thought there were no filming. Looks like a lot of people there.
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Alexzander Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:27:27am |
re: #40 Stanley Sea
What is that? A journal entry from last year?
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justaminute Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:29:23am |
re: #33 goddamnedfrank
The Basij need to have their secrecy stripped, their identities published, and their back broken swiftly. Any future uprising needs to preemptively greet them at their doorsteps with an ultimatum, either stand down now or catch an axe to the face. Otherwise it's is likely to fail. Maybe harsh, but they've definitely earned it. There's no dealing with Basij peacefully, they need to be excised like a cancer.
Publishing is hard. Most of the people I know in Iran anymore are saving money and getting out of there. They are applying for visas for Indonesia, Australia, anywhere. It's sad.
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Stanghazi Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:29:37am |
re: #42 Alexzander
What is that? A journal entry from last year?
I have no idea. Got it via twitter. Following Mosa'ab Elshamy. No idea, but a beautiful piece to read. We are all people.
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Stanghazi Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:33:02am |
Once again, posting this. Excellent live blog.
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
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Stanghazi Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:36:31am |
mosaaberizing Mosa'ab Elshamy
We're positive and hopeful about today but we know revolutions take weeks, if not months, and we're ready for that. #Tahrir
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Stanghazi Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:41:21am |
Oh damn, I'm in San Diego and am soooo cold tonight. (yeah yeah, I know) so I must get under the covers and warm.
Hoping for the best when I log back in tomorrow AM.
We've got it made Lizards, never forget that. That's my goodnight thought.
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justaminute Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:49:20am |
After watching AJ English, if it became available widespread, it may be the kick in the pants that our press needs. One can wish. Goodnight everyone.
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Alexzander Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:50:15am |
I have to admit to being of a big fan of Zizek, even though he is often the deepest philosophical troll. He exists to challenge every assumption.
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simoom Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:57:07am |
I assume they'll be adding to this all day (not much there yet):
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simoom Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:00:30am |
[Link: blogs.aljazeera.net...]
10:35am: A number of European leaders are meeting at the EU headquarters in Brussels, discussing the situation in Egypt. Al Jazeera's Laurence Lee, covering the summit, says what happens in the EU with regards to Egypt mirrors what happened in the United States: "They were quite lukewarm to begin with ... but now just like the Obama administration, they are saying that there needs to be immediate transition to democracy in Egypt in a smooth manner."
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:01:09am |
To Tahrir sq. protestors, can you please not leave the mics to be used for 'Calls for Jihad' PLEASE!? We heard yesterday that was happening!
BREAKING NEWS the army doing the beating are the Military Police or Shorta Askariya they where the red hats. #jan25 #Egypt
live broadcast [Link: bambuser.com...] #jan25 (with more vids from today on channel)
Egyptian defense minister, Tantawy, is in #Tahrir square right now #Egypt #Cairo #Jan25
At gunpoint: A Globe reporter’s account of her detention in Egypt [Link: www.theglobeandmail.com...]
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Alexzander Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:06:17am |
re: #53 000G
Thanks for the roundup! Really appreciate it and hope you continue!
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simoom Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:10:50am |
Just tuned in to the Al Jazeera English live stream -- they're showing live video from Tahrir Square:
[Link: english.aljazeera.net...]
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Alexzander Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:11:22am |
Anyone else listening to Al. Jazeera right now? Did the last reporter say they would be held in the square by the military, meaning that it would be impossible to move on the palace?
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simoom Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:13:02am |
re: #56 Alexzander
I only just caught the end where the reporter was saying even if some marched on the Palace, some presence would remain behind in the square so they wouldn't lose it.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:15:01am |
I can see some foreign journos with video cams. So glad they made it in and r safe #egypt
German Chancellor Angela Merkel says #Egypt's security forces must guarantee protests are 'free and peaceful'
REPORT: army has taken over 6th Oct bridge & issued a warning they'll shoot if thugs come back. Finally! #Jan25 #Egypt (via @Warchadi)
Tahrir Square is packed, the most people I've seen this early. People are energized for today. #jan25 #egypt
i might be able to upload pictures here [Link: bit.ly...] & stream live here [Link: bambuser.com...]
[Link: twitter.com...]
Wael Ghoneim's arrest
MSNBC's Rachel Maddow's take on why journalists are being attacked [Link: on.msnbc.com...] Video 8:30m
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:20:11am |
Tweets from #Tahrir/Liberation Square: @Sandmonkey @AymanM @monasosh @BloggerSeif @TristanAJE @sharifkouddous @glcarlstrom #Egypt
Friday prayers start in 1 hr 45...then crowds expected to push into Tahrir Square. Some want to march to Presidential Palace. #Cairo
Amazing no and a long line of ppl waiting to enter from kasr el nile bridge #Jan25 [Link: yfrog.com...]
Nile TV anchor tells CNN she quit after being forced to show pro-Mubarak protests
lol @ [Link: twitter.com...]
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simoom Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:21:59am |
[Link: www.worldbulletin.net...]
Egypt's defence minister visited Tahrir Square on Friday, the day anti-government protesters were seeking to rally another mass protest against President Hosni Mubarak's 30-year rule.This was the first visit to the epicentre of protests that have convulsed Egypt by a senior minister since they erupted on Jan. 25.
...
Protesters said Defence Minister Mohamed Hussein Tantawi was talking to the army, who have surrounded the square with tanks and armoured vehicles but who have not prevented demonstrators from gathering there."The army and people are united," the protesters chanted after a protester announced over loudspeakers that the minister was in the square.
A witness said a crowd gathered around the minister, who was also promoted to deputy prime minister in a cabinet reshuffle announced in the wake of the protests.
"Field Marshal Tantawi and leaders of the armed forces are currently in Tahrir Square," the Defence Ministry source told Reuters.
...
"Field Marshal Tantawi is here in the square near the Egyptian Museum in Tahrir talking to the army. The atmosphere is pleasant," one protester on the scene said.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:22:37am |
Live update blogs/pages:
Al Jazeera English
BBC
NY Times The Lede (not live for Feb 4th, yet)
The Guardian
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:23:38am |
re: #40 Stanley Sea
omg, read that one.
That Tweeter is fairly good but her user icon is driving me nuts.
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Alexzander Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:28:03am |
Do we have an idea of when the majority of action is going to happen today? Is there anything like a start time for the march on the palace?
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:30:28am |
re: #63 Alexzander
Do we have an idea of when the majority of action is going to happen today? Is there anything like a start time for the march on the palace?
Dunno, depends on how long prayers take (starting in about 90 minutes).
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Alexzander Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:32:20am |
re: #64 000G
That is I suppose what I was wondering about. I remember the 'day of rage' began after the same prayer, no? I wonder if anything specific is planned afterwards today.
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:37:33am |
The fact that they are going from prayers to storming the palace wil be presented as proof that this is an Islamist-backed uprising.
Newsmax is already warning us of an "Islamist terror state at Israel's doorstep".
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:39:58am |
Any Egpytians mentioning Khameini's speech on Twitter are mocking him…
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Alexzander Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:47:17am |
Friday prayers have started... Crowds expected to swell soon, following the end of the prayers.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:49:22am |
Tahrir Resistance (yesterday)
crowds expected to push into #tahrir Square after prayer in 1.5 hours then march to Presidential Palace #cairo #egypt #Jan25
Security source report RPG attack on state security HQ in Egypt's El-Arish: AFP
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:51:02am |
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:54:41am |
[Link: twitter.com...]
When detained I saw several journos - two Swiss and two US, at least - also detailed. Were taken to jail. In a tank. #Egypt #Jan25
2 army officers were 3 metres away when I was being beaten up by the pro-Mub mob. Did abso-fucking-lutely nothing. #Egypt #Jan25
So we're clear: many 'popular committees' are not defending ppl. They're mugging them. Army just watching.
Supplies were stolen by pro-Mub mob ("popular committees") who took them home - and gave them (some?) to army. I was there #egypt #jan25
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Alexzander Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:59:53am |
RPG, as in rocket-propelled grenade? Surprised I didn't hear about that at all on AJ live yet.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:59:54am |
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Alexzander Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:01:16am |
Mid-day prayer soon. Then we will see what happens.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:13:56am |
lol, Maddow on the Fox reporting on the Egyptian revolution:
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:21:15am |
Live broadcasting out of Tahrir square: [Link: bambuser.com...]
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:23:24am |
re: #72 Alexzander
RPG, as in rocket-propelled grenade? Surprised I didn't hear about that at all on AJ live yet.
Confirmed by BBC:
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:33:21am |
Crowds in #Tahrir stocking up on food and supplies, as if preparing for a siege or a standoff #Cairo #Egypt
Was checked over ten times coming into the square by protestors.v cordial and organized,they're trying to make people feel secure #jan25
To the skeptics, tahrir only looked like an MB camp yesterday bec many were terrified aft wed. Today its home for all #jan25
Protestors will probably stay in the square and not march to pres palace.if anything small group may go as symbolic act #egypt #jan25
1 RPG and 1 bomb attacks on 2 different security posts in Nothern Sinai #egypt #jan25 #internet
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:38:16am |
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Alexzander Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:49:14am |
I really want to stay up and witness this live but I think my partner is annoyed that I've yet to come to bed, so this is it. See everyone in the morn.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:55:35am |
From Alexandria, an interesting piece in the Los Angeles Times on the feeling among Egypt's Coptic community. Copts have been protesting against the Egyptian president's rule, but remain concerned things could be far worse if Islamist groups gained power, it says.
via BBC
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:05:11am |
They reportedly bumped that prayer up so as to leave more time this afternoon for demonstrations without delay
The Army and the Police are playing Good Cop/Bad Cop with the egyptian people on a very high level. emotional manipulation, defined. #jan25
All types are praying, unveiled women, men with long hair, just cuz ppl pray don't make them extremists or anything #Tahrir
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:10:30am |
I find the hanged mubarak dummies in #Tahrir extremely offensive, whether we are pro or anti, this is NOT how we can show our demands #Jan25
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:17:11am |
Tahrir is bursting to its seams from people, and thousands more coming. They could end up filling the area until the 6 October bridge.#jan25
And if they get all the way there, they could start their march to the presidential palace. This will get unpredictable fast. #jan25
Food and drinks are being shipped in at a big rate. The Protesters are set to go for a bit. The support is huge. #jan25
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:17:06am |
re: #86 researchok
There appears to be no "all".
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Obdicut Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:17:54am |
re: #87 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I just have nothing to say before the investigation is complete.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:18:45am |
re: #88 Obdicut
I have nothing to say without my lawyer.
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Decatur Deb Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:19:01am |
re: #88 Obdicut
I just have nothing to say before the investigation is complete.
You've obviously mistaken the intertubes for RL.
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researchok Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:19:09am |
re: #89 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I have nothing to say.
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Obdicut Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:19:52am |
re: #90 Decatur Deb
You've obviously mistaken the intertubes for RL.
I can give no comment on that at this time but I refer you to my previous statements on the subject.
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Decatur Deb Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:20:44am |
re: #92 Obdicut
I can give no comment on that at this time but I refer you to my previous statements on the subject.
I can neither confirm nor deny the existence of RL.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:23:06am |
79 million folks in Egypt.
What's a million or two rabble-rousers?
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Varek Raith Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:26:22am |
re: #92 Obdicut
I can give no comment on that at this time but I refer you to my previous statements on the subject.
That depends on what the meaning of "." is.
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laZardo Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:39:27am |
/b/'s latest Cairo protests thread is all about Zalgo. Good times.
/OH SHI-
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simoom Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:53:38am |
I'd forgotten how stupid discussions on Morning Joe can be. First it was a 5-10 minute back and forth on why our intelligence agencies didn't have a better handle on who the major opposition leaders / future political candidates are (ummm... maybe it's because a repressive regime kept such figures from existing or gathering followings?...) and then there was Andrea Mitchell acting as foreign policy expert expressing incredulity that the administration thinks VP Suleiman would consider meeting with the Muslim Brotherhood (he's already been calling for meetings with them for the last day and a half, and when Egypt's defence minister addressed Tahrir square earlier today he asked once again for MB reps to come meet with the VP).
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:57:25am |
re: #97 simoom
I can't watch any of that stuff anymore.
I'm kind of a foolish guy, but, I suffer fools lightly.
Is that wrong? Hypocritical?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:06:19am |
If a Martin Luther King, Jr. "I Have A Dream" size crowd showed up outside of the White House protesting the President (any President, not directed toward the current administration) and wanted him to resign...
What would happen?
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Obdicut Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:06:25am |
re: #98 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You don't expect to get paid or have attention paid to you for being foolish, though.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:07:29am |
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laZardo Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:08:39am |
re: #100 Obdicut
You don't expect to get paid or have attention paid to you for being foolish, though.
Unless you want a page on Encyclopedia Dramatica.
/which always cheers me up on bad days. :D
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Obdicut Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:09:37am |
re: #102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
This comic might appeal to you.
The art improves hugely over the first few episodes.
[Link: drmcninja.com...]
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:11:43am |
re: #99 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
If a Martin Luther King, Jr. "I Have A Dream" size crowd showed up outside of the White House protesting the President (any President, not directed toward the current administration) and wanted him to resign...
What would happen?
It would have to be at least a Woodstock size crowd.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:15:54am |
re: #105 Alouette
It would have to be at least a Woodstock size crowd.
I think Tahrir might have outgrown Woodstock by now. It's massive.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:16:43am |
re: #105 Alouette
It would have to be at least a Woodstock size crowd.
Black History Month, not Smelly Hippie Month.
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laZardo Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:20:31am |
No, robot: Japan's elderly fail to welcome their robot overlords
Because they still haven't developed ones in the form of jailbait anime girls in schoolgirl sailor suits, that's why.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:21:19am |
lol:
Al Jazeera speaking to NDP spokesman now. Asking him do you see the popularity of the NDP that won 97% of the parliament?
NDP Spokesman: These are not millions, the millions are the ones who are at home who did not leave their home
NDP Spokesman: Mubarak accepted every single demand of these people, they must go home now
Al Jazeera asked him: "But they demand that he leaves now?" NDP Spokesman: This will need time, how can we reform the constitution so fast?
Al Jazeera: But he has been there for 30 years without reform. NDP Spokesman: We will need time, there have been mistakes, we must admit.
Al Jazeera: You have arrested your senior leaders & frozen their bank accounts like Ahmed Ezz, NDP Spokesman: this is part of the reform!
Al Jazeera: But these are the NDP leaders for ten years. Nothing was done until the youth came to the streets. NDP Spokesman: reform started
NDP Spokesman: Don't you try to make me say bad things about people I know. There are foreign elements that try to destabilise the country
Al Jazeera WHo are these foreigners, tell me, tell me names. NDP Spokesman: Everyone knows who these foreigners are
[Link: twitter.com...]
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:23:03am |
Arab League chief joins Egypt protesters
The Arab League Secretary-General Amr Moussa has joined his fellow Egyptian protesters in calls to topple the government of President Hosni Mubarak. He recently said he was “at the disposal” of the Egyptian people, adding that he would consider a run for the presidency in a post-Mubarak Egypt.His presence has been welcomed by anti-government demonstrators, who by early afternoon Egypt time was already in the hundreds of thousands, possibly more. Across Egypt the scene was similar, with thousands pouring onto the streets in protests to end 30 years of Mubarak’s reign.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:23:08am |
Lots of report of violence outside of Tahrir…
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laZardo Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:25:46am |
So I'm watching AJE footage and I noticed this on the sidebar...
Khamenei hails 'Islamic' uprisings
Lots of people to blame, lots of people to take credit.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:26:05am |
re: #109 000G
NDP Spokesman: These are not millions, the millions are the ones who are at home who did not leave their home
I'm keep wondering about that.
79 million people. Even if there are 2 million protesting. .0253%.
Do you unseat your government?
I'm not taking a side... I am asking.
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RogueOne Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:26:29am |
re: #97 simoom
I'd forgotten how stupid discussions on Morning Joe can be. First it was a 5-10 minute back and forth on why our intelligence agencies didn't have a better handle on who the major opposition leaders / future political candidates are (ummm... maybe it's because a repressive regime kept such figures from existing or gathering followings?...) and then there was Andrea Mitchell acting as foreign policy expert expressing incredulity that the administration thinks VP Suleiman would consider meeting with the Muslim Brotherhood (he's already been calling for meetings with them for the last day and a half, and when Egypt's defence minister addressed Tahrir square earlier today he asked once again for MB reps to come meet with the VP).
I like Morning Joe, they do a decent job of having people from all over the political perspective come in. The reason the CIA didn't see this coming is because they're inept. They have had people crawling all over Egypt for 30 years and they missed it. It sort of reminds me of how they didn't know India had a nuclear round until the Indians tested it.
Right now Matthews is on explaining how we're screwing our buddy Mubarak. No wonder he went off on that bender about Beck yesterday.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:26:39am |
re: #113 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Change the words mid post after preview? Preview again.
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RogueOne Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:29:21am |
Is anyone else watching Chris Matthews right now? Good god he's so dumb it hurts my feelings.
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Winny Spencer Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:30:16am |
re: #114 RogueOne
I like Morning Joe, they do a decent job of having people from all over the political perspective come in. The reason the CIA didn't see this coming is because they're inept. They have had people crawling all over Egypt for 30 years and they missed it. It sort of reminds me of how they didn't know India had a nuclear round until the Indians tested it.
Right now Matthews is on explaining how we're screwing our buddy Mubarak. No wonder he went off on that bender about Beck yesterday.
Chrissy is brilliant right now. He really chides Obama.
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Winny Spencer Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:30:35am |
re: #117 RogueOne
Is anyone else watching Chris Matthews right now? Good god he's so dumb it hurts my feelings.
Wow. I feel exactly the opposite.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:32:01am |
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:33:21am |
re: #113 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
.0253%.
Huh? 2.53 %.
And no, of course the government can wait and continue to play weasel games. The numbers will only grow, and their chances to get away relatively unscathed diminish.
It is very important to remember that the government is not a democratically elected one, and that that plus all of the measures that have been taken to keep the powers that were in place (emergency laws, no term limits, etc.) were the main reason for the protests to begin with.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:36:28am |
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RogueOne Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:37:55am |
re: #119 Winny Spencer
Wow. I feel exactly the opposite.
He feels we're being rude to Mubarak. "He's our dictator so we shouldn't be so mean" (my summary). That's borderline retarded.
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Obdicut Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:38:14am |
re: #123 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Doesn't doing kitchen remodeling require a lot of math?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:39:00am |
re: #125 Obdicut
Pooder's do the math... I do the WOWOWOWOWOW!
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laZardo Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:39:54am |
re: #124 RogueOne
He feels we're being rude to Mubarak. "He's our dictator so we shouldn't be so mean" (my summary). That's borderline retarded.
That's...sarcasm?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:41:25am |
re: #122 000G
Coptic Christians are very brave people. We (American Christians) have no idea.
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RogueOne Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:41:29am |
re: #129 laZardo
That's...sarcasm?
Minimal sarcasm but that's basically his position. Mubarak has done our bidding for 30 years so we need to be more caring in how we handle his problem. He was coming down on Obama for wanting Mubarak to go away.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:42:53am |
re: #130 ProLifeLiberal
1919? What exactly happened that year?
I think that's refering to the Partitioning of the Ottoman Empire after WWI. Might be wrong.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:44:37am |
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Winny Spencer Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:45:17am |
re: #124 RogueOne
He feels we're being rude to Mubarak. "He's our dictator so we shouldn't be so mean" (my summary). That's borderline retarded.
In all honesty, I just really love listening to Chris speak. There is something about his voice. I realize that I'm now entering man-crush territory, but I can't help it. I could listen to him all day.
I guess I was swayed by that. I do agree with him about The US having no coherent foreign policy, however. He chided Obama for having a "transactional quality" about him that is "chilling".
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RogueOne Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:45:32am |
Speaking of stupid:
President Carter named in $5 million lawsuit over his "Palestine" book
[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]
More than four years after its publication, five disgruntled readers have filed a class-action lawsuit against President Jimmy Carter and his publisher, Simon & Schuster, alleging that his 2006 book “Palestine Peace Not Apartheid” contained “numerous false and knowingly misleading statements intended to promote the author's agenda of anti-Israel propaganda and to deceive the reading public instead of presenting accurate information as advertised.”
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RogueOne Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:46:40am |
re: #136 Winny Spencer
In all honesty, I just really love listening to Chris speak. There is something about his voice. I realize that I'm now entering man-crush territory, but I can't help it.
Nothing wrong with a little man-crush......
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:52:47am |
re: #133 000G
That's when they were forced to build all those stools?
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:52:58am |
Well this is good change from yesterday. The military is escorting press through the proM demos around the square.
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RogueOne Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:56:18am |
re: #140 Jadespring
Well this is good change from yesterday. The military is escorting press through the proM demos around the square.
It's a trap. They're trying to smoke Anderson Cooper out again.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:58:47am |
Four killed in fights over gas cylinders, many injured in fights over bread
Several areas in Cairo and Giza witnessed an escalating gas crisis because gas cylinders allocated by the Ministry of Petroleum and subsidized by the Ministry of Social Solidarity failed to reach them.
Fights broke out over gas cylinders between citizens gathered in front of government gas distribution warehouses in several areas, including Imbaba, Warraq, Bulaq El-Dakrur, Darb El-Ahmar and Shubra on Thursday.
In Imbaba there was a violent brawl that caused the death of three citizens and the injury of dozens. Dismayed workers closed the warehouse and locked themselves inside, which led to an escalation of the crisis.
In Bulaq El-Dakrour, workers took advantage of the crisis and raised the price of the gas cylinders to LE20. The fights that resulted caused the death of one worker in Lo'ba Street.
Meanwhile, in Darb El-Ahmar and many suburbs in Giza, bread outlets witnessed clashes between citizens and workers that caused many injuries. Citizens brought boxes and plastic bags to stuff with bread.
Popular committees organized people in queues up to ten meters long after clashes broke out over bread.
In Dakahliya the price of subsidized bread rose from 5 piastres to 10 piastres. Three citizens were injured Thursday in fights over bread.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 4, 2011 6:01:35am |
re: #136 Winny Spencer
Honestly? Seriously? His voice?
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Feb 4, 2011 6:07:34am |
Good morning lizards! I'm glad to see that there isn't any violence this morning like there has been the past few days. I hope the peaceful protests stay that way.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Fri, Feb 4, 2011 6:12:47am |
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RadicalModerate Fri, Feb 4, 2011 6:14:30am |
Gotta love Dallas weather forecasters.
Last night, we were told we would get a "dusting" of snow overnight.
I woke up to that "dusting" actually being SIX INCHES of powder, on top of the two inches of ice we got Monday night (no meltoff due to temps staying in low-mid teens all week). Needless to say, I'm staying inside for a couple more days.
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Winny Spencer Fri, Feb 4, 2011 6:14:45am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 4, 2011 6:16:00am |
re: #147 Winny Spencer
Ding for admitting that you are certifiable.
His voice? Shudder.
Willie Nelson your favorite singer?
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Feb 4, 2011 6:17:03am |
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Fri, Feb 4, 2011 6:19:27am |
re: #146 RadicalModerate
Gotta love Dallas weather forecasters.
Last night, we were told we would get a "dusting" of snow overnight.I woke up to that "dusting" actually being SIX INCHES of powder, on top of the two inches of ice we got Monday night (no meltoff due to temps staying in low-mid teens all week). Needless to say, I'm staying inside for a couple more days.
Here in Detroit. Weather forecasters kept yammering about the "Storm of the Millenium" coming to put an end to civilization as we all know it, on Wednesday morning we all woke up to 4 and a half crummy inches. I drove down deserted freeway to work, office was also pretty deserted. Later the forecasters admitted to whipping up a panic frenzy.
We could have gotten hammered like Chicago, but for some reason the storm veered to the north unexpectedly and Detroit only got caught on the edge.
My 4-wheel drive is sweet. I would have never gone out in my previous car.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 4, 2011 6:19:36am |
re: #147 Winny Spencer
That your real name? Brave, that.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Feb 4, 2011 6:20:22am |
Good source for concrete updates on numbers of protests all over Egypt: [Link: www.almasryalyoum.com...]
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Kronocide Fri, Feb 4, 2011 6:20:50am |
OMG: Rap News is brilliant LULZ. I think they are Wiki symps but it's still pretty funny and brilliant.
I love the 'Lord Monckton vs Al Gore rap battle.'
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Winny Spencer Fri, Feb 4, 2011 6:22:41am |
re: #149 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Ding for admitting that you are certifiable.
His voice? Shudder.
Willie Nelson your favorite singer?
No, not really. I'm stunned, though. What's wrong with Chrissy's voice?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 4, 2011 6:24:59am |
re: #155 Winny Spencer
I find it to be very nasal, high, whiny-ish... I am very sensitive to un-pleasant speaking voices. Sean Hannity's voice is like that to me.
Chalkboard? Meet fingernails.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Feb 4, 2011 6:26:31am |
ABC News: We’ve compiled a list of all the journalist who have been in some way threatened, attacked or detained while reporting in Egypt. When you put it all into one list, it is a rather large number in such a short period of time.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 4, 2011 6:26:48am |
AAAAND? THE GIANT NEWS OF THE DAY?
kenneth cole...
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Feb 4, 2011 6:26:56am |
re: #156 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I find it to be very nasal, high, whiny-ish... I am very sensitive to un-pleasant speaking voices. Sean Hannity's voice is like that to me.
Chalkboard? Meet fingernails.
LOL! So true!
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Ericus58 Fri, Feb 4, 2011 6:27:38am |
"#1424: Ethar El-Katatney tweets: "People are deleting friends on facebook over differences in opinion. If we can't agree 2 disagree now how will we live in a democracy? #jan25."
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 4, 2011 6:29:07am |
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Winny Spencer Fri, Feb 4, 2011 6:30:03am |
re: #156 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I find it to be very nasal, high, whiny-ish... I am very sensitive to un-pleasant speaking voices. Sean Hannity's voice is like that to me.
Chalkboard? Meet fingernails.
Puzzling. I just googled in order to further investigate the matter and it would seem that I am indeed certifiable. Everyone who comments on it seem to agree with you.
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 4, 2011 6:30:55am |
The army appears to be actually doing something today. The square itself seems relatively secure but scuffles going on outside. Just saw some footage of some tanks moving towards a group (pro-M I think) to keep them back.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Feb 4, 2011 6:32:44am |
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RogueOne Fri, Feb 4, 2011 6:33:15am |
re: #151 Alouette
I knew your g-father was buried in hamtramck but I hadn't realized you still live in Detroit. My condolences.//
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Fri, Feb 4, 2011 6:34:58am |
re: #165 RogueOne
I knew your g-father was buried in hamtramck but I hadn't realized you still live in Detroit. My condolences.//
I don't live in Detroit. I am on the other side of 8 Mile.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Feb 4, 2011 6:36:50am |
re: #164 NJDhockeyfan
Yeah, he probably WILL die on Egyptian soil, if he refuses to cooperate with the protesters. The critical point, I think, will be which direction the military's gun barrels wind up facing.
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darthstar Fri, Feb 4, 2011 6:37:58am |
re: #151 Alouette
Mornin' everyone...Alouette, I love your new car! Such a pretty color too!
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Feb 4, 2011 6:39:55am |
Protester thought I was from #Syria, said "hopefully the same thing will happen there." #egypt #jan25 #tahrir
I agree wholeheartedly.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 4, 2011 6:41:01am |
re: #166 Alouette
I don't live in Detroit. I am on the other side of 8 Mile.
Saginaw side? Or Toledo side?
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darthstar Fri, Feb 4, 2011 6:43:44am |
Today's the 37th anniversary of the Patty Hearst kidnapping. My friend's acrobot tribute to the anniversary.
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Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Feb 4, 2011 6:43:47am |
re: #146 RadicalModerate
Gotta love Dallas weather forecasters.
Last night, we were told we would get a "dusting" of snow overnight.I woke up to that "dusting" actually being SIX INCHES of powder, on top of the two inches of ice we got Monday night (no meltoff due to temps staying in low-mid teens all week). Needless to say, I'm staying inside for a couple more days.
Green Bay and Pittsburgh fans headed into town, and they brought their own weather along for the trip.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Fri, Feb 4, 2011 6:45:24am |
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Feb 4, 2011 6:46:27am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 4, 2011 6:47:46am |
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iossarian Fri, Feb 4, 2011 6:48:45am |
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lawhawk Fri, Feb 4, 2011 6:51:06am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area, which is still in the icy clutches of an Arctic blast of cold air (and we're supposed to get another brush with a snow/ice/rain event tomorrow - woo/not!), but all eyes are on Cairo and whether Mubarak will finally take an all not too subtle hint to depart from the political stage. The demonstrations have called this a Day of Departure, and anti-Mubarak protesters can only hope that Mubarak decides to exit stage left ASAP.
Will he leave? He's on the record claiming that he would leave, but for the chaos that would ensue. US officials are in contact with Egyptian officials to work out some kind of transition phase allowing Mubarak to leave while putting in place a transition government that would oversee new elections.
Some Egyptians are bridling at what they consider interference in an internal state matter, but if Mubarak is honestly saying he'd leave, then the US efforts aren't meddling but would potentially help keep the violence to a minimum while a transition government is put in place and that existing government officials would not be allowed to run for office or stay beyond their allotted time periods.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Feb 4, 2011 6:53:58am |
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lawhawk Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:04:27am |
re: #171 darthstar
It also marks the day that George Washington was elected as the first President of the US in 1789. He was sworn in as the first president on March 4, 1789 at Federal Hall in Lower Manhattan (a couple blocks from my office).
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:05:47am |
Something going on now. Crowd has erupted as if in celebration and in excited. Reporters trying to figure out why.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:07:36am |
re: #180 Jadespring
Something going on now. Crowd has erupted as if in celebration and in excited. Reporters trying to figure out why.
Ladies and gentlement, Elvis has left the building.
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Varek Raith Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:08:34am |
re: #181 thedopefishlives
Ladies and gentlement, Elvis has left the building.
Or someone farted...
/
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lawhawk Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:08:36am |
Demonstrations are expected today in NYC at Times Square and a march thereafter to the Egyptian mission on the East Side of Manhattan in solidarity with the anti-Mubarak protesters.
The rally will start at 3:30 pm. Protesters are expected to march to the Egyptian Consulate on 59th Street and 2nd Avenue. A large enough crowd could complicate the evening commute for those trying to escape the city via the 59th Street bridge.The larger rally in Cairo has been dubbed by protesters there as “the day of departure.” They are hoping to get Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak to step down.
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:08:43am |
This could be it... Some NDP have been arrested. Minister of Interior which is a big one.
--- Al Jazeera: Amongst those aides of the arrested former NDP Minister of Interior Habib Al Adli is his General Security Aide
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Stanghazi Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:09:26am |
re: #180 Jadespring
Something going on now. Crowd has erupted as if in celebration and in excited. Reporters trying to figure out why.
Morning Jade! What are you operating on? 5 hours? 4? :)
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darthstar Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:12:52am |
re: #179 lawhawk
It also marks the day that George Washington was elected as the first President of the US in 1789. He was sworn in as the first president on March 4, 1789 at Federal Hall in Lower Manhattan (a couple blocks from my office).
George Washington never looked hot in a beret holding a machine gun.
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:13:20am |
re: #185 Stanley Sea
Morning Jade! What are you operating on? 5 hours? 4? :)
Morning. :D I slept quite a bit. 7 hours. As soon as I got up I turned everything on though. News stations weren't talking about it at all and I figured 'phew' that likely means nothing super bad happening.
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Stanghazi Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:14:07am |
re: #187 Jadespring
Morning. :D I slept quite a bit. 7 hours. As soon as I got up I turned everything on though. News stations weren't talking about it at all and I figured 'phew' that likely means nothing super bad happening.
Exactly. I turned on to snow oh my stuff.
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lawhawk Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:15:13am |
re: #186 darthstar
Then again, his publicist did an awful job of having Gilbert Stuart do his portraits rather than someone like Alberto Korda or the subsequent t-shirt gig. /////
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darthstar Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:15:56am |
Well, nobody can accuse them of only being in it for the money.
In the last several months, Politics Daily has learned that the Palin family lawyer, Alaska attorney Thomas Van Flein, has filed applications to the United States Patent and Trademark Office to trademark "Sarah Palin®" and "Bristol Palin®."
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RadicalModerate Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:16:17am |
The new Interior Secretary (Mahmoud Wagdy) is widely believed to be the driving force behind the hiring, and directing of the thugs who were responsible for the instigation of violence in Cairo, and the attacks on foreign press.
If he's been arrested, this may well be the beginning of the end for Mubarak.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:17:24am |
re: #190 darthstar
Well, nobody can accuse them of only being in it for the money.
Step 2: Sue everybody who utters one of their names for millions of dollars each.
Step 3: ???
Step 4: PROFIT!
/Can you tell I hate intellectual property trolls?
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:18:48am |
re: #191 RadicalModerate
The new Interior Secretary (Mahmoud Wagdy) is widely believed to be the driving force behind the hiring, and directing of the thugs who were responsible for the instigation of violence in Cairo, and the attacks on foreign press.
If he's been arrested, this may well be the beginning of the end for Mubarak.
I'm reading conflicting info on this. Not sure if he was arrested or just some aides.
It seems though that the cheering was a rumor that Mubarak had stepped down. Spread like wildfire. Looks like the quelling of the rumor spread like wildfire after.
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lawhawk Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:19:39am |
#
1516: The BBC's Tim Willcox saying that shots can be heard in central Cairo.
#
1510: Sandmonkey tweets: "Some protesters are demanding a march on the presidential palace and people are discussing it. #jan25."
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:21:36am |
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darthstar Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:22:32am |
re: #192 thedopefishlives
/Can you tell I hate intellectual property trolls?
Irony #1 - the word "intellectual" being used in relation to anything Palin (even in the context of intellectual property)
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Varek Raith Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:22:38am |
re: #192 thedopefishlives
Step 2: Sue everybody who utters one of their names for millions of dollars each.
Step 3: ???
Step 4: PROFIT!/Can you tell I hate intellectual property trolls?
®®
I now own the IP to ®.
Freaking rich, I'll be!
/
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:22:52am |
re: #183 lawhawk
Wanna bet some money there will be an un-relevant un-related protest sign?
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Varek Raith Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:23:31am |
re: #199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Wanna bet some money there will be an un-relevant un-related protest sign?
"I swallowed my GameBoy!"
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darthstar Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:24:25am |
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reine.de.tout Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:24:58am |
monaeltahawy Mona Eltahawy
Love how some trying 2 portray me as pro-Israeli RT @3Beee: @ayakhalil aya that woman mona u just retweeted is pro israeli. Dont follow her
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Varek Raith Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:25:04am |
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reine.de.tout Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:27:35am |
re: #203 reine.de.tout
monaeltahawy Mona Eltahawy
Love how some trying 2 portray me as pro-Israeli RT @3Beee: @ayakhalil aya that woman mona u just retweeted is pro israeli. Dont follow her
Mona must not be sufficiently anti-Israel.
I think she's American of Egyptian parents - and she's pro-freedom, and in no way that I've been able to determine is she anti-Israel.
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Varek Raith Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:28:07am |
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reine.de.tout Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:28:11am |
re: #205 reine.de.tout
Mona must not be sufficiently anti-Israel.
I think she's American of Egyptian parents - and she's pro-freedom, and in no way that I've been able to determine is she anti-Israel.
Making her pro-Israel in some folks' eyes, I suppose.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:28:42am |
re: #190 darthstar
Isn't "Barack Obama" trademarked? I thought it was.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:29:35am |
re: #202 darthstar
Image: 168985_10150401066380171_718940170_17060213_977804 _n.jpg
Ha!
That's funny as hell. I just saw that.
My sister-in-law in Dallas just sent me a photo of their new pool-boy - Snow piled high on their pool vacuum which just sits on top of the water and floats around the pool - LOL.
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RadicalModerate Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:32:24am |
And now, a report regarding someone who obviously hasn't been paying close enough attention:
Iran's Khamenei praises Egyptian protesters, declares 'Islamic awakening'
Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei leads Friday prayers in Tehran on Feb. 4. Khamenei spoke out about Egypt’s antiregime protests Friday, declaring an 'Islamic awakening' across the region that is resulting in the 'irreparable defeat' of American and Israeli influence.
Someone ought to explain to him that Egypt's protests more closely resembles Iran's Green Movement than it does an Islamic uprising.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:33:09am |
Posted this overnight - for those who didn't see it - a friend sent this from her New England home . . .
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laZardo Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:33:24am |
My favorite (semi-)unrelated protest sign:
"I Can't Believe We're Still Protesting This Shit"
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:33:29am |
re: #205 reine.de.tout
Mona must not be sufficiently anti-Israel.
I think she's American of Egyptian parents - and she's pro-freedom, and in no way that I've been able to determine is she anti-Israel.
Pro-Israel would not make someone popular in that crowd.
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Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:34:59am |
re: #209 reine.de.tout
That's funny as hell. I just saw that.
My sister-in-law in Dallas just sent me a photo of their new pool-boy - Snow piled high on their pool vacuum which just sits on top of the water and floats around the pool - LOL.
All they need now is a model Titantic to go with it...
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reine.de.tout Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:35:36am |
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lawhawk Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:37:00am |
re: #216 reine.de.tout
Sorry about that - I didn't have that issue when I opened the page (probably b/c I have various popup blockers in place).
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reine.de.tout Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:37:02am |
re: #214 Alouette
Pro-Israel would not make someone popular in that crowd.
I'm not sure she's pro-Israel, so much as she isn't anti-Israel. Although she apparently has a regular column in Israel's Jerusalem Report.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:37:43am |
LOL. Top Russian twitter accounts since yesterday:
[Link: blogs.yandex.ru...]
1 KermlinRussia 50118 64118
2 KremlinRussia 40661 18524
3 MedvedevRussia 23703 177757
KermlinRussia, blog of the "Persident of Ruissa", a satirical liberal microblog, has beat Medvedev's official microblog (2nd place) as well as his informal microblog (3rd place).
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reine.de.tout Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:38:17am |
re: #217 lawhawk
Sorry about that - I didn't have that issue when I opened the page (probably b/c I have various popup blockers in place).
OK, just wanted to let you know. I've got pop-up blockers in place as well, but that link sent my mac into a computer loony-bin, stuff popping up all over the place. I had to shut down safari completely to get rid of them.
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simoom Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:45:34am |
Business Insider: Egyptian State TV Is Now Airing Direct Protest Footage For The First Time
A major shift here that may signal a further weakening of the resolve of the Mubarka government.State TV is now shoring images of the protesters, and interviewing them for the first time.
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simoom Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:49:17am |
re: #221 simoom
Business Insider really needs a proof-reader :P ("Mubarka"; "shoring").
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:51:43am |
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Obdicut Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:52:35am |
God dammit that arsonist in the Castro just lit another fucking building on fire.
Come on, cops! Catch the asshole. Look out for suspicious activity like, say, lighting buildings on fire!
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ProMayaLiberal Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:52:36am |
Silvio Berlesconi just showed how big a scumbag he really is after making this statement about Egypt, by praising Mubarak as "wise" and saying the number of people protesting is small compared to the population.
I'm beginning to think that Berlesconi wishes he were a dictator too, considering who he supports in the world.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:52:49am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:52:54am |
Meanwhile in Tajikistan Ministry of Education has canceled the school lessons called "Learning Islam" (they were introduced in 2009). Instead more hours will be given to "History of the Tajik people".
[Link: news.tj...]
Related:
[Link: news.tj...]
DUSHANBE, January 19, 2011, Asia-Plus -- To-date, an estimated 1,430 Tajik students have returned from madrasahs in Egypt, Iran and Pakistan, according to the Committee on Religious Affairs (CRA) under the Government of Tajikistan.
[...]
We will recall that the return of the Tajik students from Muslim countries began in August-September last year after President Emomali Rahmon said students at illegal Islamic schools too often "fall under the influence of extremists.” Rahmon advised parents to bring their children back to Tajikistan.
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ProMayaLiberal Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:53:15am |
re: #223 Jadespring
That is the most awesome thing I have ever heard!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:54:49am |
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:55:29am |
re: #221 simoom
Business Insider: Egyptian State TV Is Now Airing Direct Protest Footage For The First Time
They are but there is still questions about how they appear to be manipulating it. One of the "protesters" that read a statement talked about outside influences and the influences by jews. People twittering didn't know who this person was even though they were apparently a leader. Earlier people reported that they said people were in the square because foreigners were giving them KFC meals.
People are also twittering that the pictures they are showing of the protest make it look a lot smaller then it is.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:55:33am |
Beautiful scene of ppl at #Tahrir square praying. I'm sure #Israel is freaking out from this sight. #egypt #jan25
Weird thinking. There's nothing for Israel to freak out over.
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lawhawk Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:55:34am |
#
1549: Hazem Abu-Watfa, host of BBC Arabic's Talking Point programme, says they have held a poll of listeners asking if Mr Mubarak should go now: 62% said he should, 38% said they wanted him to stay on.
#
1541: Al-Jazeera's Gregg Carlstrom tweets: "Egyptian state television running a long interview with a pro-democracy protester inside Tahrir Square. A big shift for them."
#
1534: Al-Jazeera's Sherine Tadros tweets: "ROARS of happiness from protestors in Tahrir as rumour circulates Mubarak stepped down but it was NOT true, people disappointed now#egypt #jan25."
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:56:40am |
re: #228 ProLifeLiberal
That is the most awesome thing I have ever heard!
I hope it's true. Hard to know for sure. There has been a lot of twittering about priests and nuns being in the crowd though.
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Ericus58 Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:56:42am |
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ProMayaLiberal Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:57:55am |
Meanwhile, trouble is brewing in the Cambodia-Thailand Border Region. This particular situation has been going on for a couple years now. Here's a Wikipedia link describing the situation.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:58:05am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:58:06am |
re: #227 Sergey Romanov
(For some context: Islamic Party Leader In Tajikistan Says He Supports Secular System)
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:58:15am |
re: #231 Alouette
Beautiful scene of ppl at #Tahrir square praying. I'm sure #Israel is freaking out from this sight. #egypt #jan25
Weird thinking. There's nothing for Israel to freak out over.
They probably assume that Israel supports Mubarak. Hence, the unified effort by Egyptians to remove Mubarak must be disconcerting to Da Joos.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:59:44am |
ooh. Serious words.
weddady weddady
God' willing, after that pig Mubarak is out, the pig Khamenei will hang in Azadi square, Tehran baby!! #Jan25 #Iranelection #Democracy
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 4, 2011 7:59:45am |
Humor break...
Frontierman opens his door to Big Mike, the frontierman who lives several miles away.
Big Mike says, "I'm havin' a party on Saturday nite... Gonna be some drinkin, some cussin', some fightin' and some lovin' . You wanna come?"
Frontierman says, "Well, sure, thank ya. What should I wear?"
Big Mike says, "Don't matter none. Just gonna be you and me."
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reine.de.tout Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:01:12am |
Sandmonkey Sandmonkey
For Egypt's muslims today will mark the day and location where there was a friday prayer of more than a million people. Cool. #jan25
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:01:25am |
re: #239 reine.de.tout
ooh. Serious words.
weddady weddady
God' willing, after that pig Mubarak is out, the pig Khamenei will hang in Azadi square, Tehran baby!! #Jan25 #Iranelection #Democracy
[AHEM] Not before he has undergone a fair trial, that is.
;)
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simoom Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:01:51am |
re: #226 thedopefishlives
Wait, you mean Christians and Muslims can *gasp* get along?! HERESY!
/
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:04:59am |
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albusteve Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:07:22am |
NG shortages in Texas, NM and AZ....bet that makes some people happy...just a small taste of what's to come
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:14:33am |
**NickKristof Nicholas Kristof
Lots of people in #Tahrir have mentioned Amr Moussa as a potential president. His trip to the square puts him play.
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laZardo Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:15:20am |
re: #239 reine.de.tout
ooh. Serious words.
God' willing, after that pig Mubarak is out, thepig KhameneiZionists will hang inAzadi squarePalestine baby!! #Jan25 #Iranelection #Democracy
/yeah, I'm beyond redemption in my cynicism. :(
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simoom Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:16:35am |
[Link: www.deccanherald.com...]
A total of 18 journalists, captured by thugs while they were covering the anti-government protests in Egypt, have been secured by military forces and taken to a ''safe place,'' media reports said today.Egyptian military forces secured 18 journalists who were captured by thugs and took them to a "safe place," CNN quoted the Egyptian state media as saying.
It was unclear which news organisations the journalists worked for or where they had been taken, the report said.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:16:44am |
re: #244 thedopefishlives
That picture sent a chill down my spine - the good kind, that is. Simply amazing.
I'd be more impressed if there were any Jews included.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:16:47am |
re: #8 Stanley Sea
Sandmonkey Sandmonkey
People, general rule on middle-east leaders: Never believe their words, just monitor their actions.
King David pointed that out three thousand years ago. The more things change...
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laZardo Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:20:14am |
Anybody know what's up with this Rashid Ghannouchi character that returned to Tunisia recently? News says he's an Islamist...
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RadicalModerate Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:21:52am |
The 6th Circuit Federal Court of Appeals just smacked down yet another (ex-)Judge Roy Moore wannabe who was hanging copies of the Ten Commandments in his courtroom, and attempting to defend it by stating that "God's Law trumps the US Constitution".
Oh, this is the second time he's been sanctioned.
Judge Shalt Not Meld Church and State
Judge Eric Clay, writing for the court, said that DeWeese's "purported secular purpose" was a "sham," concluding the display violated the Establishment Clause of the Constitution.
"Although defendant attempts to veil his religious purpose by casting his religious advocacy in philosophical terms ... replacing the word religion with the word philosophy does not mask the religious nature of defendant's purpose," Clay wrote.
The court also rejected DeWeese's argument that the poster was secular in nature.
"While the poster effectively links the Ten Commandments and secular principles," the judges found that it did not send a secular message.
"By stating that the 'moral absolutes' of 'the God of the Bible' are the 'fixed moral standards for restoring the moral fabric of this nation,' that should triumph in the 'conflict of legal and moral philosophies raging in the United States,' the poster 'specifically links religion and civil government,'" the ruling states, quoting its earlier ruling on the case.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:22:46am |
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:23:58am |
Morning all,
just checking in.
how is everyone?
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lawhawk Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:26:43am |
re: #252 laZardo
[Link: www.martinkramer.org...]
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:27:23am |
re: #66 ralphieboy
The fact that they are going from prayers to storming the palace wil be presented as proof that this is an Islamist-backed uprising.
Newsmax is already warning us of an "Islamist terror state at Israel's doorstep".
What a novelty that will be.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:27:24am |
weddady weddady
RT @gamaleid Khamenei calls for an Islamic regime in #Egypt, we say get lost we're making a democracy in #Egypt #Jan25 #Iranelection
7 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply
SultanAlQassemi Sultan Al Qassemi
BBC Arabic: Egypt State Security shuts down Qaradawi website IslamOnline & arrests 6 of its employees
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laZardo Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:30:01am |
re: #257 lawhawk
Oh yeah. He's going places. Domestically/within his country, at least.
In the meantime...
Ghannouchi has called the Israel-PLO accord “a Jewish-American plan encompassing the entire region, which would cleanse it of all resistance and open it to Jewish economic and cultural activity, culminating in complete Jewish hegemony from Marrakesh to Kazakhstan.”10
[Borat joke here]
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darthstar Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:30:35am |
re: #209 reine.de.tout
That's funny as hell. I just saw that.
My sister-in-law in Dallas just sent me a photo of their new pool-boy - Snow piled high on their pool vacuum which just sits on top of the water and floats around the pool - LOL.
When I read that I thought, "pool-boy"? Wow, she has an understanding husband.
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RadicalModerate Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:31:04am |
re: #255 ggt
Morning all,
just checking in.
how is everyone?
Staying indoors here - as getting 6-8 inches of snow (estimated, since it's still going strong) tends to have that effect on me - at least living in this part of the country.
However, it is rather amusing watching people unsuccessfully trying to build a snowman with the powder type of snowfall we got due to temps being in the teens.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:31:58am |
re: #106 000G
I think Tahrir might have outgrown Woodstock by now. It's massive.
Yes, but people are mostly wearing clothes from what I've seen of the crowd, and few of them appear to be tripping.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:32:05am |
Mubarak has to be pisssssed that his little attempt at violence didn't work. The pro-democracy protesters didn't run home with their tails between their legs.
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darthstar Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:32:51am |
That cyclone was pretty bad - look how far it moved Queensland. Nice fail, CNN.
Image: 167880_10150102333056907_15897196906_6307747_7914498_n.jpg
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prairiefire Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:32:53am |
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darthstar Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:34:35am |
re: #269 prairiefire
The sun is shining!
Foggy from Moss Beach to Half Moon Bay. But our little slice of the coast is sunny and calm, like there's a force-field keeping it pleasant. Took the dogs (and the chuck-it as it's Friday) to the beach for a splash.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:34:37am |
re: #264 RadicalModerate
Staying indoors here - as getting 6-8 inches of snow (estimated, since it's still going strong) tends to have that effect on me - at least living in this part of the country.
However, it is rather amusing watching people unsuccessfully trying to build a snowman with the powder type of snowfall we got due to temps being in the teens.
We aren't supossed to get more snow until Saturday, just cold here.
i feel bad for the kiddies, not being able to build a snowman. :(
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lawhawk Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:34:41am |
re: #265 SanFranciscoZionist
Not enough mud. And I was at Woodstock (94 version).
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:34:46am |
re: #113 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm keep wondering about that.
79 million people. Even if there are 2 million protesting. .0253%.
Do you unseat your government?
I'm not taking a side... I am asking.
I can't give you a solid answer, but I will say, apples and oranges. The United States votes in a new dude every four years, with no dude to exceed eight. Change is always coming. We also have a strong legislature, similarly elected, with the means to remove a president from office.
Egypt has had the same dude and no recourse for the past three decades. Their means of effecting a transition, and the perspective they bring to it--no real comparison.
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:34:56am |
Blog post from a photo journalist about an attack the other night.
[Link: www.andrewburtonphoto.com...]
/
Within seconds, anti-Mubarak protestors saw me try to leave the crowd – they grabbed me and encouraged me to continue to walk towards to fighting. Pro-Mubarak supporters got very angry over this, and fighting broke out around me immediately.
Very suddenly 50% of the crowd started attacking me – kicking, punching and slapping. The other 50% (anti-Mubarak supporters) quickly encircled me to protect me. Five or six guys surrounded me and took many more blows than i did. We tried to move away, out of the crowd, but the crowd had gotten very large, very quickly – we only moved about 100 yards, at best. Movement was slow and clunky, we were stumbling through the people attacking us – forcing our way through the crowd. We were headed towards an Egyptian army tank and when we hit the it, the men positioned me with my back to the tank, squatting down. At this point, I was pinned. People continued to kick, punch and grab at cameras. Soldiers standing on top of the tank were waving pistols and screaming. I was fucking terrified. My shirt was ripped from my back, hands went into my pockets (the most they got was my CF cards), the men protecting me were looking at me screaming me, ‘you are safe, we are here for you, we will get you out of this.”
I only escaped when the soldiers on top of the tank literally ripped me out of the crowd, lifting me by the armpits. I was dumped head first inside the tank. My shit – cameras, cell phone, notepad – everything went flying out of my pockets as I landed amongst the soldiers. As I got myself turned around, I found myself surrounded by 14 Egyptian soldiers – young men my age, smiling at me. They scooted around, made a place for me to sit – helped me gather my shit. Everything was quiet – the transition from an angry mob scene to a calm but cramped interior tank happened very, very quickly. The soldiers were joking, laughing, making fun of me, they didn’t seem to care too much about what was going on outside. In the following hours that I sat inside the tank, we attempted to speak through broken english and ate food together. I tried to ask them why I was attacked – at the time I thought I had made a beginners mistake. They didn’t understand my question, and I only found out later how many other journalists were also attacked. I stayed there for two and a half hours talking with them while the protests continued. I didn’t know what to do – I was shaken and scared, knew that I didn’t want to head back outside alone, and the soldiers seemed to have no problem with me sitting there until things quieted down. Later, around 7PM, when things had calmed down a bit (in the immediate vicinity – the fighting raged on through the night), a general escorted me out and got me in a cab back to my hotel.
I dont know what happened to the men that protected me. I owe them my life, or something close to it. I don’t know what would have happened to me without them. This is my first time in a situation like this. I was incredibly lucky. Outside, numerous journalists, photographers and friends were beaten, had their cameras smashed, hurt badly. I got very lucky, very fucking lucky.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:35:32am |
re: #117 RogueOne
Is anyone else watching Chris Matthews right now? Good god he's so dumb it hurts my feelings.
Chris Matthews has never been bright. Move on.
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lawhawk Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:37:07am |
re: #268 darthstar
Tasmania is gone man.... just gone... What the devil!?
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darthstar Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:37:47am |
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:39:39am |
re: #222 simoom
Business Insider really needs a proof-reader :P ("Mubarka"; "shoring").
The press hasn't slept in a week. After a while, it starts to show.
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:39:46am |
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:39:58am |
later all,
have a great day!
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:41:09am |
re: #224 Obdicut
God dammit that arsonist in the Castro just lit another fucking building on fire.
Come on, cops! Catch the asshole. Look out for suspicious activity like, say, lighting buildings on fire!
That's really not a good neighborhood to be discreetly committing arson. Lots of community spirit, lots of people around.
If the SFPD doesn't catch him, the neighborhood watch is gonna.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:41:27am |
Drudge linking to Alex Jones again this morning: Obama's Blocking Of New Plants Triggers Nationwide Blackouts?
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Gus Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:41:46am |
re: #280 Jadespring
Sometime capitalism is really, really weird.
Yeah. Mind you I'm no prude but this has me thinking about the types of guys that would go there. Sure, an island "staffed by blonds" and visited by a bunch of "dirty old men".
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Gus Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:42:56am |
re: #283 Killgore Trout
Drudge linking to Alex Jones again this morning: Obama's Blocking Of New Plants Triggers Nationwide Blackouts?
And it gets top billing! I guess it's already been well established that Matt Drudge (and Andrew Breitbart) are a couple of weirdos.
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Obdicut Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:43:46am |
re: #282 SanFranciscoZionist
Seriously. The Castro also has one of the highest rates of (legal) gun ownership in SF, too. The Pink Panthers don't fuck around.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:44:49am |
Muslim Brotherhood: ‘We are against Zionism’
A spokesman for the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt on Thursday evening repeatedly refused to commit to maintaining the peace treaty with Israel, or even recognizing Israel, if the Brotherhood becomes a player in the future governance of Egypt.
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Gus Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:44:56am |
re: #283 Killgore Trout
Drudge linking to Alex Jones again this morning: Obama's Blocking Of New Plants Triggers Nationwide Blackouts?
I had to look. Found a comment!
keith4130 Says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 11:38 amIn 1973 the Oil Embargo occurred and gas station lines occurred in the US. For a short time it created a panic. The politicians at the time (puppets then as puppets now) jumped up and down and yelled …. “we must reduce our dependence on foreign oil, and create alternate energy sources” … just like a broken record. Just under 40 years later, we remain in the same boat. Why, because oil is a major profit for the elite run corp/industrial complex, and they want to keep it that way. Why was gasoline 4 bucks a gallon in 2008 just before the collapse? It wasn’t demand, it was wall street bankers at Goldman Sachs and other banks buying up gasoline futures and making a killing in profits while the rest of us paid the price. The prices dropped immediately after the collapse, again not because of demand, but because the wall street banker human shit was otherwise distracted. Until we remove the cancer that runs the world behind the scenes, Globalist Zionist profit greed ridden human waste, that will put a dollar in their pocket while letting 1 million people die somewhere else on the planet, all of these trends will continue. F the globalist NWO Bilderberg CFR wall street banker and central banker human waste, the greatest criminals on the planet, the deaths of millions via wars, financial collapses, other, lay at their hands. Traitor human excrement filth.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:46:01am |
re: #276 SanFranciscoZionist
Chris Matthews has never been bright. Move on.
(Winny Spencer has a crush on him)
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reine.de.tout Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:46:10am |
re: #287 Killgore Trout
AH.
But they're not interested in a leadership position.
I know this because they said so.
/
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:47:15am |
re: #288 Gus 802
Obama and his Halliburton/Oil cronies.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:47:49am |
re: #290 reine.de.tout
AH.
But they're not interested in a leadership position.
I know this because they said so.
/
It's going to be very interesting to see how this pans out.
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researchok Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:47:59am |
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lawhawk Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:48:37am |
re: #287 Killgore Trout
Because Zionism is the source of, and its elimination is the cure to, all that ails (fill in the blank).... - the official line of despots, dictators, autocrats, kleptocrats, and regimes throughout the Middle East and all too often the rest of the world that would rather pawn off their problems on someone else - Israel.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:48:58am |
re: #288 Gus 802
I had to look. Found a comment!
Teh Juice controls all the oil. They just make it look like the Arabs have it, because they are so sneaky.
///
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reine.de.tout Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:50:26am |
re: #293 Killgore Trout
It's going to be very interesting to see how this pans out.
yes it is.
That's one reason I'm so riveted to watching this go on . . .
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:50:53am |
IvanCNN Ivan Watson
Tahrir Square "Farewell Friday" demo not as peaceful as it appeared. Pro- & anti-gov't youth clashing for hours in streets east of square
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:53:19am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:53:34am |
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:55:21am |
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:56:36am |
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
When Castro says it's time to go... it's time to go.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:56:42am |
re: #304 Fozzie Bear
Unfortunately, vagina is easily monetized. If only self-respect were as well.
"If I had a vagina, I'd be at the docks every afternoon waiting on the fleet to come in." - Jerry Seinfeld
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Obdicut Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:56:50am |
re: #304 Fozzie Bear
Maldives tourism officials said they had not received any details about Olialia's plans and had not issued any permits.
"We welcome any serious innovations and investment for discussions so long as it is backed by serious finance with a robust and realistic business plan," Simon Hawkins, director of the Maldives Marketing and PR Corporation, wrote in an e-mail. He underlined "realistic."
Heh.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:57:13am |
re: #304 Fozzie Bear
That your whole monologue?
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:58:15am |
re: #308 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
That your whole monologue?
It's a very short vagina monologue. The vagina dialogue is MUCH more entertaining. /
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RogueOne Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:59:07am |
re: #276 SanFranciscoZionist
Chris Matthews has never been bright. Move on.
He was on Morning Joe. He was hurting my feelings.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Feb 4, 2011 8:59:52am |
re: #305 Fozzie Bear
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
When Castro says it's time to go... it's time to go.
No sense of irony, eh.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:00:16am |
re: #309 Fozzie Bear
I dig. If only there were an island...
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Gus Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:00:19am |
re: #305 Fozzie Bear
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
When Castro says it's time to go... it's time to go.
Might as well watch a test pattern on the overnight.
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Obdicut Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:05:32am |
re: #314 Gus 802
Baby Doc issues communique written on toilet prison paper demanding Mubarak relinquish power.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:06:57am |
Anybody else experiencing a Twitter glitch where you click on (20, or 40, or ### new tweets) and get a blank screen?
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Stanghazi Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:08:23am |
re: #316 Alouette
Anybody else experiencing a Twitter glitch where you click on (20, or 40, or ### new tweets) and get a blank screen?
Not I
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:10:32am |
re: #317 Stanley Sea
Not I
Just happened again. But it refreshes once there is a new "New Tweets" icon.
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Gus Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:12:14am |
Rand Paul: End ‘Welfare’ to Israel
I'm sure that International A.N.S.W.E.R., Queers for Palestine, and the Muslim Brotherhood will agree with him on this.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:12:58am |
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:13:51am |
re: #315 Obdicut
Baby Doc issues communique written on toilet prison paper demanding Mubarak relinquish power.
Hugo Chavez calls Mubarak offering words of wisdom on staying in power.. Hawks new book
'When in Doubt..Blame the Juices'
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:13:59am |
re: #320 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The Pharaohs have issued a cheer from the tombs.
"Ra."
heh/
*WHACK!*
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Winny Spencer Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:15:08am |
re: #319 Gus 802
Rand Paul: End ‘Welfare’ to Israel
I'm sure that International A.N.S.W.E.R., Queers for Palestine, and the Muslim Brotherhood will agree with him on this.
And most Hot Air-commentators.
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Gus Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:15:38am |
re: #323 Winny Spencer
And most Hot Air-commentators.
And not so oddly enough a lot of TPM commentators.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:16:08am |
re: #322 thedopefishlives
I'll be here all week!
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Gus Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:17:09am |
re: #324 Gus 802
And not so oddly enough a lot of TPM commentators.
Aqui está...
[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:17:40am |
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Decatur Deb Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:17:52am |
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lawhawk Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:19:12am |
Myanmar/Burma's junta has chosen new president, but the junta's top dog is still pulling the strings for the moment at least:
Prime Minister Thein Sein was chosen on Friday to become president in Myanmar's new civilian-led political set-up, nominally at least becoming head of state as the country's junta steps down.The big question is: what will junta supremo Than Shwe do now?
IS THAN SHWE SIMPLY STEPPING ASIDE?
Unlikely. The presidency is probably something the military strongman never really wanted. The rise of one of his most trusted associates in a choreographed parliamentary vote suggests Than Shwe will remain in charge, but behind the scenes.
The reclusive junta boss is not suited to the public role required of a president. He rarely attends public events or gives speeches and has not spoken to the media in years. His state visits have been restricted to neighboring India and China.
IS IT A SURPRISE THAN SHWE DIDN'T BECOME PRESIDENT?
To a certain extent, yes. Many experts say the 78-year-old Than Shwe is seriously worried about what might happen to him and his family, and they assumed he was reluctant to put power into the hands of someone else, even a loyalist.
Than Shwe has made many enemies and he knows it. He's not too bothered about Nobel laureate Aung San Suu Kyi or the public. His real fear is probably people in the military he has crossed swords with, demoting them or forcing them into retirement.
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Decatur Deb Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:20:17am |
re: #329 Gus 802
Yep. Uniting both the far left and the far right.
Used to be a name for that: "conclave",,"confluence",,,"conundrum",,,?
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Gus Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:20:39am |
re: #331 Decatur Deb
Used to be a name for that: "conclave",,"confluence",,,"conundrum",,,?
Convergence.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:20:52am |
re: #330 lawhawk
What percentage of the population of Myanmar can even name the president.
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Decatur Deb Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:22:49am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:24:23am |
[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]
Posted at 10:47 AM ET, 02/ 4/2011
Rand Paul lone dissenter in laser-pointer vote
By Felicia Sonmez
Kentucky Republican Sen. Rand Paul was the sole "no" vote Thursday night on a measure that would make it a federal crime to aim a handheld laser pointer at an aircraft.
[...]
Paul told reporters after Thursday's vote that he believed the laser-pointer issue was one best handled by the states, not the federal government.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:28:15am |
re: #337 Sergey Romanov
Paul told reporters after Thursday's vote that he believed the laser-pointer issue was one best handled by the states, not the federal government.
He believes that about EVERYthing, though.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:30:08am |
re: #337 Sergey Romanov
Okay, I might be dumb... but in what state should that particular action be legal?
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Obdicut Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:33:01am |
re: #339 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
If Paul was a senator at the state level, he'd be arguing it is something best handled at the county level.
He's just a mindless minarchist.
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Decatur Deb Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:33:19am |
re: #337 Sergey Romanov
[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]
Posted at 10:47 AM ET, 02/ 4/2011
Rand Paul lone dissenter in laser-pointer vote
By Felicia SonmezKentucky Republican Sen. Rand Paul was the sole "no" vote Thursday night on a measure that would make it a federal crime to aim a handheld laser pointer at an aircraft.
[...]
Paul told reporters after Thursday's vote that he believed the laser-pointer issue was one best handled by the states, not the federal government.
California: "No tinfoil, shaving mirror, or laser pointer may direct light above the horizon."
Arizona: "All privately-held Airdefense Artilery systems must keep laser designators in 'safe' mode when lasing frieindly aircraft".
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:34:30am |
re: #340 Obdicut
Shouldn't he be interested in the efficiency of one debate, one vote on no-brainer issues?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:34:54am |
Meanwhile:
The finished version of the German documentary Khordorkovsky, which traces the controversial trial and imprisonment of oligarch turned Kremlin critic Mikhail B. Khodorkovsky, has been stolen from the Berlin production offices of director Cyril Tuschi.
[Link: www.hollywoodreporter.com...]
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Gus Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:35:27am |
re: #341 Decatur Deb
California: "No tinfoil, shaving mirror, or laser pointer may direct light above the horizon."
Arizona: "All privately-held Airdefense Artilery systems must keep laser designators in 'safe' mode when lasing frieindly aircraft".
Utah: Laser pointing devices can be directed at aircraft only if the pointee has a meal present and between the hours of 10 AM and 10 PM.
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Decatur Deb Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:37:27am |
re: #344 Gus 802
Utah: Laser pointing devices can be directed at aircraft only if the pointee has a meal present and between the hours of 10 AM and 10 PM.
Ha. I think I remember a time when airline liquor service was suspended when in Utah airspace. (Not joking, but then my first flight was on a DC-3.)
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Gus Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:38:40am |
So according to Rand Paul what if I get on a boat outside of territorial waters off the coast of New Jersey and point a laser at an aircraft?
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Decatur Deb Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:39:17am |
re: #346 Gus 802
So according to Rand Paul what if I get on a boat outside of territorial waters off the coast of New Jersey and point a laser at an aircraft?
You answer to Snooki.
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ProMayaLiberal Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:39:51am |
re: #343 Sergey Romanov
Mildly suspicious circumstances, to put it mildly.
Reading Turning points by Jimmy Carter for learning about Corruption in Southern Politics in the late 50's, to early 60's for a class (Don't hurt me). My jaw dropped several times at the flat-out ballot stuffing mentioned, and other shenanigans. How did that happen in the US so recently? (Rhetorical) I had to stop reading several times in order to absorb what was going on.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:40:59am |
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Kragar Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:42:09am |
re: #341 Decatur Deb
California: "No tinfoil, shaving mirror, or laser pointer may direct light above the horizon."
Arizona: "All privately-held Airdefense Artilery systems must keep laser designators in 'safe' mode when lasing frieindly aircraft".
I find the idea of privately owned Air Defense Artillery systems mind boggling.
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Decatur Deb Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:43:17am |
re: #350 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I find the idea of privately owned Air Defense Artillery systems mind boggling.
What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:43:20am |
re: #350 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I find the idea of privately owned Air Defense Artillery systems mind boggling.
Come on, Kragar, get with the times. A man has a right to defend himself against the black helicopters./
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Gus Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:44:20am |
re: #351 Decatur Deb
What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms laser pointers shall not be infringed.
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Decatur Deb Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:44:54am |
re: #350 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I find the idea of privately owned Air Defense Artillery systems mind boggling.
Boggle your mind--here's a private quad-50 in action:
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ProMayaLiberal Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:46:16am |
re: #350 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Somewhat off topic, but Wikipedia had a hilarious summary of Finland's Gun Laws:
Possession of destructive devices such as automatic weapons, rocket and grenade launchers, breech loading cannons, artillery rockets, or missile systems is generally not permitted. The Finnish Ministry of the Interior has discretion to license such devices to collectors, for motion picture production or exhibition use.
I thought the part about having these would have been obvious, but I guess you should cover all your bases.
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Gus Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:47:08am |
Laser pointer sales are skyrocketing! Americans fear new regulation limiting their use!
Film @ 11.
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Gus Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:48:46am |
The irony of course is that Rand Paul is an ophthalmologist. Whew. What a freak.
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Obdicut Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:49:16am |
re: #355 Gus 802
[Link: images1.memegenerator.net...]
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ProMayaLiberal Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:53:19am |
re: #357 Gus 802
Soviet's used the Terra-3 laser testing center to track the Space Shuttle Challenger (STS 41-G)with a low power laser. This caused some equipment to malfunction, and the crew was temporarily blinded. The US government was not amused. (US government filed a diplomatic protest).
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Romantic Heretic Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:54:26am |
re: #354 Decatur Deb
Boggle your mind--here's a private quad-50 in action:
[Video]
Man, there's somebody who feels really badly about the size of his penis. /
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:55:35am |
re: #355 Gus 802
Honestly? I don't understand how someone can hit something moving that fast that is that far away from below and blind a pilot.
Someone 'splain?
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Decatur Deb Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:56:50am |
re: #362 Romantic Heretic
Man, there's somebody who feels really badly about the size of his penis. /
But he feels good about his bank account--that thing burns at least $4000 per minute.
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Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:57:08am |
re: #346 Gus 802
So according to Rand Paul what if I get on a boat outside of territorial waters off the coast of New Jersey and point a laser at an aircraft?
The Coast Guard's UAV nails you with a Predator since you're acting like a pirate/terrorist...
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Kragar Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:57:31am |
re: #363 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Honestly? I don't understand how someone can hit something moving that fast that is that far away from below and blind a pilot.
Someone 'splain?
Ever catch a glint in your eye from the light shining off something far away?
Now increase the intensity and focus of that glint several thousand times.
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Romantic Heretic Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:59:01am |
re: #363 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Honestly? I don't understand how someone can hit something moving that fast that is that far away from below and blind a pilot.
Someone 'splain?
They usually do it when the plane is landing. It's flying low and slow.
Here in Toronto we had several planes 'lased' a few years ago. They. as I recall, had to abort and come around again when the pilot's vision cleared. Landing a plane when you can't see anything, including the instrument panel, is not a good idea.
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Gus Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:59:18am |
re: #363 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Honestly? I don't understand how someone can hit something moving that fast that is that far away from below and blind a pilot.
Someone 'splain?
I imagine if you can get a clear trajectory to the cockpit. Low flying aircraft on approach or take-off. Surrounding higher ground. From the tops of buildings, etc.
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Decatur Deb Fri, Feb 4, 2011 9:59:27am |
re: #363 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Honestly? I don't understand how someone can hit something moving that fast that is that far away from below and blind a pilot.
Someone 'splain?
It's not moving on a very fast angular track. It's only a couple hundred miles away when approaching overhead. Laser danger is multiplied if the target is using optics.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Feb 4, 2011 10:00:14am |
re: #316 Alouette
Anybody else experiencing a Twitter glitch where you click on (20, or 40, or ### new tweets) and get a blank screen?
Yes, I get that every now and then.
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Decatur Deb Fri, Feb 4, 2011 10:00:40am |
re: #369 Decatur Deb
(That's talking about an orbiting station/shuttle.)
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Romantic Heretic Fri, Feb 4, 2011 10:00:53am |
re: #365 oaktree
The Coast Guard's UAV nails you with a Predator since you're acting like a pirate/terrorist...
Enforcing speed laws from the air.
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Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Feb 4, 2011 10:01:39am |
re: #368 Gus 802
I imagine if you can get a clear trajectory to the cockpit. Low flying aircraft on approach or take-off. Surrounding higher ground. From the tops of buildings, etc.
And a variation on this (using a high-powered light instead of a laser) is a plot point in a Tom Clancy novel. _Debt of Honor_ if I recall correctly.
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Big Steve Fri, Feb 4, 2011 10:04:55am |
re: #363 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Honestly? I don't understand how someone can hit something moving that fast that is that far away from below and blind a pilot.
Someone 'splain?
Also.....normal light is a wave emanating outward from the source so the power decreases as a square function of the radius from the source and consequently one has to be very close to a regular light source to have ocular damage. However laser light is coherent meaning that the energy does not spread out in a normal wave pattern (like ripples on a pond) but only in one narrow direction. So the square of the distance decrease in power does not apply and the beam carries nearly its source wattage for quite a distance.
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Political Atheist Fri, Feb 4, 2011 10:14:28am |
re: #355 Gus 802
Hmmm.
Nobody questions the laws that make it illegal to point, let alone fire a gun at a person. But then for better or worse those are state laws. A fast google search got nothing on that kind of gun law apart from pointing a gun at a Federal worker.
I can see the validity of the argument for the laser law being federal, as those planes cross all kinds of airspace, so are governed by the Feds. Regulations, safety etc. I'm pretty sure it's illegal to point a gun at an airliner, but just impossible to enforce. Who would ever know?
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Gus Fri, Feb 4, 2011 10:19:49am |
re: #376 Rightwingconspirator
Hmmm.
Nobody questions the laws that make it illegal to point, let alone fire a gun at a person. But then for better or worse those are state laws. A fast google search got nothing on that kind of gun law apart from pointing a gun at a Federal worker.I can see the validity of the argument for the laser law being federal, as those planes cross all kinds of airspace, so are governed by the Feds. Regulations, safety etc. I'm pretty sure it's illegal to point a gun at an airliner, but just impossible to enforce. Who would ever know?
It would get complicated if we went down Paul's path when we're dealing with state boundaries at close proximity to airports. According to the FAA there has been 2,836 incidents reported between 2009 and 2010. This new law falls under FAA regulations and is part of FAA appropriations. This impacts not only airliners but general aviation, helicopters, etc. Makes sense that it falls under FAA rules.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 4, 2011 10:23:35am |
re: #374 Big Steve
Oh, the question is not how do lasers keep the power. I'm wondering how do you aim it and hit a pilot in the eyes who is four thousand (or more) feet in the air moving at 500 mph?
Windshield on an airplane is on top, right?
There's gonna be a very logical simple answer... but for the life of me, I can't figure it out.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 4, 2011 10:25:10am |
re: #373 oaktree
Still moving pretty damn fast. One of the reasons why (I thought) hand held rocket launchers are not much a threat while the plane is airborne.
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Political Atheist Fri, Feb 4, 2011 10:29:11am |
re: #377 Gus 802
Oh yes, I agree. Airliners and air travel has been a federal responsibility since the early days. I think Glenn Curtis got the very first pilots license.
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