Called It! Wingnuts Intentionally Trying to Overload Healthcare.Gov

A DDoS attack corresponding with a media blitz
KiTA
Wingnuts • Views: 27,209

Ars Technica is reporting that a Distributed Denial of Service application called “Destroy Obama Care!” has turned up in the wild.

While there’s no evidence that this has significantly contributed to the healthcare.gov problems, similar “by hand” tricks — simply reloading the page over and over again — have been talked about on the various red blogs, for months. It looks like someone with a rudimentary knowledge of Delphi Pascal or Visual Basic has decided to try and “help” by intentionally attacking the website.

In addition there is the systematic sabotaging that the red states did, by simply refusing to build their own insurance exchanges, intentionally causing HealthCare.gov to fail.

Because remember folks, if the country has moved on from you, if you can’t win by lying, cheating, stealing, or even threats of sedition, then clearly, the next step is to try all that again, from a different angle.

Jump to bottom

206 comments
1 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 6:29:07am

They really are the worst losers in the world, aren’t they?

2 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 6:32:18am

“ObamaCare is an affront to the Constitutional rights of the people,” a screenshot from the tool, which was acquired by researchers at Arbor Networks, declares. “We HAVE the right to CIVIL disobedience!”

Sure, you have the right to “civil disobedience” but you don’t have the right to criminal activity.

3 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 6:36:22am

If ACA is seen as someting that works and benefits Americans, then their entire ideology fails.

Therfore, it MUST fail.

4 darthstar  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 6:37:40am
5 Lancelot Link  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 6:39:27am

re: #1 Romantic Heretic

They really are the worst losers in the world, aren’t they?

And they’re equally bad winners.

6 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 6:40:09am

WINGNUT FAIL
Surprisingly, the right-wing nutjob site linked to actually admits it has no such information.

7 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 6:41:29am

SHOCK!
Wingnut actually admits to being pwn3d.
Usually they just call me a communist.

8 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 6:41:58am

In the meantime, GG has his panties in a real wad today, and no wonder:

cjr.org

“Update, November 7, 12pm:
In the second day of testimony, government lawyers said they used the correct procedures in detaining Miranda for nine hours and confiscating his electronic devices in order to prevent further dissemination of the raw data provided by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden. They believed they could correctly detain Miranda as a terrorist. Steven Kovats also rejected the argument made yesterday by Miranda’s lawyer that the law protected responsible journalists. Just because you’re a good journalist doesn’t mean you understand the seriousness of material in your possession, he said.

“Lord Justice John Laws, the presiding judge, appeared to agree. “I’m not sure I know the meaning of the phrase ‘responsible journalism.’ It doesn’t make a journalist omniscient in security matters. It’s just rhetoric, really,” he said.”

9 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 6:45:21am

re: #8 Justanotherhuman

Someone should remind this “journalist” that when you pack your bags for travel, you leave the 1st Amendment back at home.

10 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 6:45:33am

That’s my shocked face.

Month after month of the GOP calling for delay, defund, and destroying ACA, they starved it of funds to get the site up and running in the way that any other normal government project would be funded. The HHS had to scrounge to get funding from other programs to get this working, and that was as the GOP-dominated states did everything imaginable to increase the federal workload.

The GOP-led states refused to set up their own exchanges.

They delayed deciding on whether to do this until the last possible minute, adding to the complexity and challenges of getting the site up and running.

Then, they got gleeful as the signs that their delay/defund/destroy campaign came to fruition as the exchange site failed to operate properly.

Now, add to that the interest by lots of people in what was actually being provided and you had the makings of whale fail across all the exchange sites, but specifically those of the fed site.

It wouldn’t be surprising to learn that opponents were really engaging in a purposeful DDoS attack against the exchange site, but that tells you all you need to know about the opponents of the site.

They don’t want people to have affordable health care insurance. Affordable health care insurance provided by the same kind of insurance companies that already provide coverages to most of the 80% that already have insurance - Aetna, Anthem, Humana, BC/BS, Cigna, etc.

That doesn’t diminish the problems with the ACA exchange sites. I’ve got a friend who got quoted a premium that makes no sense considering that she was eligible for subsidies. The law provides subsidies for up to 400% of poverty level, but the NY site indicated that she wasn’t eligible even though she was about 150%. I’m trying to help her navigate this and straighten out the insurance costs and coverages, but the problem isn’t the law (which is clear that she should be entitled to subsidies to cover the cost of the policy offered - and KFF has a calculator that is based on the actual law)- it’s that the implementation has been stymied at every turn by a GOP that refuses to recognize the law as valid and continues to do everything within its power to thwart the implementation of a program that is based on GOP ideas first spawned by the Heritage Foundation in 1989.

11 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 6:45:46am

Self-awareness, he has none.

12 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 6:47:15am

News from the FSB.

Snowden Starts New Job in Russia - Lawyer

en.ria.ru

13 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 6:47:53am

[Dudebro]Now that Glenn Greenwald disseminated these claims from anonymous sources, while loudly trumpeting that he is TEH JOURNALISM!!!1!! let’s blindly assume they’re true[/Dudebro]

14 darthstar  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 6:49:44am

re: #8 Justanotherhuman

Heh…had to tweet that shit.

15 Internet Tough Guy  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 6:50:58am

re: #1 Romantic Heretic

They really are the worst losers in the world, aren’t they?

And even worse winners.

Edit: lol maybe i should read the whole thread before reacting.

16 darthstar  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 6:51:39am

re: #12 Justanotherhuman

News from the FSB.

Snowden Starts New Job in Russia - Lawyer

en.ria.ru

For a high-tech company, no doubt…moving boxes from one table to the next, and then moving them back again…under supervision, of course.

17 Tim TeaBro  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 6:52:13am

I was going to write a long Post about Krauthammer’s newest Meme Generator OpEd, fully loaded with irony, but figured it’s not worth the time.

Basically bringing up the Campaigner in Chief meme again and criticizing the Pres for campaigning instead of doing actual work.

He seems to forget that Presidents actually campaign for stuff and the people in the actual departments that do the work are the ones who actually do the work.

He also does not acknowledge that there is an active 24/7 campaign to defeat ACA and work against it’s success, of which he is a willing participant, and the President needs to get out there and counter that.

Krauthammer is a fucking hack. I’m having a hard time understanding how I used to respect his opinion years ago. Did he change? Did I? Did we both change in completely opposite directions resulting in such a wide chasm of realities?

This crap is worthy of an AM radio ‘thinker,’ Townhall, or even Newsmax or Breitbart.

18 darthstar  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 6:52:37am
19 Joanne  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 6:58:19am

re: #8 Justanotherhuman

In the meantime, GG has his panties in a real wad today…

And this differs from every other day how? :-)

20 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 6:58:39am

Idiot wingnuts still pounding this lame meme:

21 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 7:01:54am

re: #19 Joanne

And this differs from every other day how? :-)

Touche!

22 Gus  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 7:02:31am

re: #20 Vicious Babushka

Idiot wingnuts still pounding this lame meme:

[Embedded content]

I can’t believe it’s not butter!

23 Bulworth  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 7:03:08am

And WTFITGDS??

The swastikas, the students recalled, seemed to be everywhere: on walls, desks, lockers, textbooks, computer screens, a playground slide — even on a student’s face.

A picture of President Obama, with a swastika drawn on his forehead, remained on the wall of an eighth-grade social studies classroom for about a month after a student informed her teacher, the student said.

For some Jewish students in the Pine Bush Central School District in New York State, attending public school has been nothing short of a nightmare. They tell of hearing anti-Semitic epithets and nicknames, and horrific jokes about the Holocaust.

They have reported being pelted with coins, told to retrieve money thrown into garbage receptacles, shoved and even beaten. They say that on school buses in this rural part of the state, located about 90 minutes north of New York City and once home to a local Ku Klux Klan chapter president, students have chanted “white power” and made Nazi salutes with their arms.

The proliferation and cumulative effect of the slurs, drawings and bullying led three Jewish families last year to sue the district and its administrators in federal court; they seek damages and an end to what they call pervasive anti-Semitism and indifference by school officials.

24 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 7:03:41am

re: #22 Gus

I can’t believe it’s not butter!

The package says butter, but it smells like bullshit!

25 Achilles Tang  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 7:03:57am

I was able to complete the signup last week. It appears the main problem I had earlier was not that it wasn’t working but that the clickable links were not clear, or didn’t show a hand/finger and took a while to load even when clicked, so I had earlier given up and simply not continued.

In my opinion it’s mainly a clutzy interface aside from some speed issues, at least since the past week or two.

26 Gus  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 7:04:00am
27 Tim TeaBro  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 7:07:32am

re: #20 Vicious Babushka

Dumbass Hoft doesn’t realize that of the three links in his ‘story,’ two don’t work and the one that does destroys the meme if you actually read through it.

But either he doesn’t read through them, or doesn’t expect anybody else to read it or understand it.

Or, YES!

In the beginning, Dirksen could only guarantee that twelve to fourteen of his thirty-three Republicans would join with floor manager Hubert Humphrey’s solid forty-one Democrats, leaving the total short of the sixty-seven votes necessary to shut down the southern Democrats. “The key,” said majority leader Mike Mansfield, “is Dirksen.” Dirksen himself acknowledged, “Getting cloture is going to be as difficult as hell.” He went to his members one by one, pleading with them, appealing to their moral sensibilities, reminding them of past favors, and warning of more civil unrest, exercising his beguiling talents to their fullest effect.

No distinction between Democrats, Southern or otherwise. Among other errors in critical and objective thinking.

28 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 7:09:26am

re: #16 darthstar

For a high-tech company, no doubt…moving boxes from one table to the next, and then moving them back again…under supervision, of course.

Company for putting things on top of other things. Just like the Royal Society, but more socialist!
///

29 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 7:11:55am

re: #17 Tim TeaBro

I was going to write a long Post about Krauthammer’s newest Meme Generator OpEd, fully loaded with irony, but figured it’s not worth the time.

Basically bringing up the Campaigner in Chief meme again and criticizing the Pres for campaigning instead of doing actual work.

He seems to forget that Presidents actually campaign for stuff and the people in the actual departments that do the work are the ones who actually do the work.

He also does not acknowledge that there is an active 24/7 campaign to defeat ACA and work against it’s success, of which he is a willing participant, and the President needs to get out there and counter that.

Krauthammer is a fucking hack. I’m having a hard time understanding how I used to respect his opinion years ago. Did he change? Did I? Did we both change in completely opposite directions resulting in such a wide chasm of realities?

This crap is worthy of an AM radio ‘thinker,’ Townhall, or even Newsmax or Breitbart.

Gave up on him and my subscription to TIME years and years ago. The magazine got thinner, the articles less interesting, shorter, and more fact-free. And to top it off their opinion columnists got boring, agenda driven and fact-free as well.

30 Bulworth  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 7:13:15am

I can’t wait for the next hyped up, politicized “report” on Benghazi. /

31 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 7:23:30am

re: #20 Vicious Babushka

Idiot wingnuts still pounding this lame meme:

[Embedded content]

That’s hilarious given that he was beaten by a Republican for not being anti-Civil Rights enough. And if Gore Sr was in the KKK he would have signed the Southern Manifesto that their pal Strom Thurmond signed.

32 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 7:24:31am

re: #31 HappyWarrior

That’s hilarious given that he was beaten by a Republican for not being anti-Civil Rights enough. And if Gore Sr was in the KKK he would have signed the Southern Manifesto that their pal Strom Thurmond signed.

It’s idiotic especially considering the 1964 GOP candidate for President VOTES AGAINST the CRA.

33 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 7:28:39am

re: #32 Vicious Babushka

It’s idiotic especially considering the 1964 GOP candidate for President VOTES AGAINST the CRA.

And that candidacy many conservatives admit is what “inspired” them. God right wingers are delusional when it comes to civil rights. Anyhow, saw a fascinating HBO documentary on the integrating of Southern universities’ football teams. What those guys went through. I didn’t know this but one guy at U-Kentucky got hit so hard he broke his spine and later died.

34 Bulworth  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 7:29:25am

re: #32 Vicious Babushka

And the Democratic President rammed the CRA and VRA down are throateses got the CRA and VRA passed—

Oh never mind.

/

35 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 7:30:48am

re: #34 Bulworth

And the Democratic President rammed the CRA and VRA down are throateses got the CRA and VRA passed—

Oh never mind.

/

HURR HURR A WHITE HOUSE STAFFER WROTE A BOOK IN 1993 THAT SAID LBJ USED THE “N” WORD!!!!! AND HE GAVE BLACKS TEH WELFARES & TEH FOOD STMPS SO THEY WOULD VOTE DEMOCRATZ FOREVER FOR TEH FREE STUFFS!!!!!1!!!!!1!!!!!

36 KiTA  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 7:32:16am

re: #9 Political Atheist

Someone should remind this “journalist” that when you pack your bags for travel, you leave the 1st Amendment back at home.

Doesn’t even apply, considering his husband is Brazillian and I believe he’s British. No 1st Amendment applies in this case.

37 Timothy Watson  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 7:33:24am

Doesn’t Rand Paul, to this day, still oppose the Civil Rights Act?

38 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 7:34:59am

re: #34 Bulworth

And the Democratic President rammed the CRA and VRA down are throateses got the CRA and VRA passed—

Oh never mind.

/

But LBJ said the n-word on tape so let’s ignore the fact that Nixon and Reagan actually pandered to racism to get elected president.// I mean I don’t doubt that Lyndon Baines Johnson had prejudices but he got over them when he supported civil rights as president. Nixon and Reagan’s tale may be worse. These are guys who started out supporting civil rights but ran away from it to appease a part of the South that rejected it.

39 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 7:36:38am

re: #38 HappyWarrior

But LBJ said the n-word on tape so let’s ignore the fact that Nixon and Reagan actually pandered to racism to get elected president.// I mean I don’t doubt that Lyndon Baines Johnson had prejudices but he got over them when he supported civil rights as president. Nixon and Reagan’s tale may be worse. These are guys who started out supporting civil rights but ran away from it to appease a part of the South that rejected it.

You can’t expect wingnuts to understand something as complicated as PEOPLE CHANGING THEIR MINDS AFTER ACCEPTING NEW FACTS.

40 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 7:37:35am

re: #37 Timothy Watson

Doesn’t Rand Paul, to this day, still oppose the Civil Rights Act?

Yes, and model justice Scalia has said he would have voted against Brown. But let’s act like every Dixiecrat was left wing as they get and there were no such things as liberal Republicans in those days. I’ve made the case here before and I think with good evidence that Civil Rights was not Democratic versus Republican but rather geographical and ideological. I.E. the less southern and conservative you were and note I’m saying conservative not Republican here the more likely you were to favor the legislation of the day. Everett Dirksen, Jerry Ford, and the House R leadership who were more Congressional than conservative and northerners supported the legislation.

41 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 7:37:57am

re: #39 Vicious Babushka

You can’t expect wingnuts to understand something as complicated as PEOPLE CHANGING THEIR MINDS AFTER ACCEPTING NEW FACTS.

Yeah nuance.

42 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 7:55:26am

re: #39 Vicious Babushka

You can’t expect wingnuts to understand something as complicated as PEOPLE CHANGING THEIR MINDS AFTER ACCEPTING NEW FACTS.

Heck. Just look at what the general acceptable public behaviors were in the 1960s regarding a whole lot of this stuff. The mores and behaviors of societies are constantly shifting and trying to stuff historical figures into 2010 moral sets is complete BS. (Same game as claiming Lincoln was racist that is made by the Neo-Confed apologists.)

43 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 7:57:06am

re: #42 Feline Fearless Leader

Heck. Just look at what the general acceptable public behaviors were in the 1960s regarding a whole lot of this stuff. The mores and behaviors of societies are constantly shifting and trying to stuff historical figures into 2010 moral sets is complete BS. (Same game as claiming Lincoln was racist that is made by the Neo-Confed apologists.)

See also: claims Margaret Sanger was a racist who wanted to practice eugenics on “undesirable” populations. Sadly, a very common attitude during the 1920’s, but more prevalent among conservatives than progressives.

44 Amory Blaine  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 7:57:22am

Rand Paul should be the advice columnist over there. Ask Uncle Randy.

45 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 7:58:35am

There are some talking points that will not die: these include


The KKK was founded by Democrats

The Civil War was not about slavery, it was about States’ Rights and Nullification

There would be less crime if everybody owned a gun

Hitler was a progressive Socialist

We could have 100% employment if we abolished the minimum wage

We could end all oil imports if we relaxed drilling restrictions


We cannot argue with people on these points, just try to limit the damage they can do.

46 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 8:00:10am

re: #42 Feline Fearless Leader

Heck. Just look at what the general acceptable public behaviors were in the 1960s regarding a whole lot of this stuff. The mores and behaviors of societies are constantly shifting and trying to stuff historical figures into 2010 moral sets is complete BS. (Same game as claiming Lincoln was racist that is made by the Neo-Confed apologists.)

That they claim Lincoln was a racist as a defense of the CSA I think is hilarious. Not exactly like Jefferson Davis and the CSA leadership were all about seeing beyond race and treated people by the content of their character. I actually do think Lincoln could have been a little better but A) I’m guilty of hindsight bias and B) I’ll take the word of a man like Frederick Douglass who lived during those times and knew many abolitionists and such who said that Lincoln was the only white man he felt treated him as an equal and Douglass was far from a Lincoln fanclub member. He criticized him often during Lincoln’s lifetime.

47 piratedan  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 8:00:35am

re: #45 Sol Berdinowitz

There are some talking points that will not die: these include

The KKK was founded by Democrats

The Civil War was not about slavery, it was about States’ Rights and Nullification

There would be less crime if everybody owned a gun

Hitler was a progressive Socialist

We could have 100% employment if we abolished the minimum wage

We could end all oil imports if we relaxed drilling restrictions

We cannot argue with people on these points, just try to limit the damage they can do.

and Sheena is, was and forever will be a punk rocker….

48 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 8:01:10am

re: #47 piratedan

and Sheena is, was and forever will be a punk rocker….

But is Judy a punk? Err actually Jackie was the punk and Judy the runt and oh I don’t know why. Sorry memory hazy this morning.

49 piratedan  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 8:02:27am

re: #48 HappyWarrior

But is Judy a punk?

when she’s not in disguise, yes. ///

50 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 8:02:45am

re: #46 HappyWarrior

That they claim Lincoln was a racist as a defense of the CSA I think is hilarious. Not exactly like Jefferson Davis and the CSA leadership were all about seeing beyond race and treated people by the content of their character. I actually do think Lincoln could have been a little better but A) I’m guilty of hindsight bias and B) I’ll take the word of a man like Frederick Douglass who lived during those times and knew many abolitionists and such who said that Lincoln was the only white man he felt treated him as an equal and Douglass was far from a Lincoln fanclub member. He criticized him often during Lincoln’s lifetime.

HURR HURR FREDERICK DOUGLASS WAS A REPUBLICAN!!!!!11!!!1

Yeah but if he was alive today he’d be a Democrat.

HURR HURR MLK WAS A REPUBLICAN!!!!11!!!!!!

No he wasn’t. (provides citation)

HURR HURR STANFORD.EDU A BUNCH OF COMUNISTS!!!!!!!

51 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 8:04:20am

re: #50 Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR FREDERICK DOUGLASS WAS A REPUBLICAN!!!!!11!!!1

Yeah but if he was alive today he’d be a Democrat.

HURR HURR MLK WAS A REPUBLICAN!!!!11!!!!!!

No he wasn’t. (provides citation)

HURR HURR STANFORD.EDU A BUNCH OF COMUNISTS!!!!!!!

Yeah helpless idiots. The really idiotic among them like that fuckwit at CPAC will say things like Frederick Douglass should have been “grateful” to his master.

52 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 8:04:58am

I imagine that movie 12 Years a Slave is infuriating the Neo-Confeds. It from what I understand is one of the most accurate portrayals of American slavery you’ll see on film.

53 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 8:05:44am

re: #52 HappyWarrior

I imagine that movie 12 Years a Slave is infuriating the Neo-Confeds. It from what I understand is one of the most accurate portrayals of American slavery you’ll see on film.

I read the book, it is chilling.

54 KiTA  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 8:10:45am

re: #39 Vicious Babushka

You can’t expect wingnuts to understand something as complicated as PEOPLE CHANGING THEIR MINDS AFTER ACCEPTING NEW FACTS.

“But Kerry, Obama, and Reid all voted for War with Iraq, ergo the clusterfuck over there is no one’s fault, really!”

Countered that one with “Yeah, because Bush LIED TO THEM.”

Cue sputtering and open mouthed gaping…

55 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 8:11:43am

re: #54 KiTA

“But Kerry, Obama, and Reid all voted for War with Iraq, ergo they aren’t allowed to disagree with the GOP on anything, ever!”

HURR HURR HERE IS SOMETHING THAT OBAMA SAID IN 2006!!!!11!!!!

56 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 8:12:20am
57 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 8:14:01am

Refusing to participate in a program you don’t like is one thing, trying to disable that program’s website is quite another.

58 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 8:18:42am

re: #54 KiTA

“But Kerry, Obama, and Reid all voted for War with Iraq, ergo the clusterfuck over there is no one’s fault, really!”

Countered that one with “Yeah, because Bush LIED TO THEM.”

Cue sputtering and open mouthed gaping…

Actually Obama didn’t vote for that. He wasn’t in the senate yet. But yeah there is the fact that the Bush administration lied.

59 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 8:18:54am

re: #57 Dark_Falcon

Refusing to participate in a program you don’t like is one thing, trying to disable that program’s website is quite another.

Patriots must do whatever is necessary to save America! (waves flag)

60 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 8:19:54am

Wingnuts think it’s more important to have a gun in case they might need to shoot somebody, than to have a healthcare policy in case they might need to be hospitalized.

61 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 8:21:21am

re: #59 Feline Fearless Leader

Patriots must do whatever is necessary to save America! (waves flag)

Whatever you say, My. Ayers.

/That one would really set the match to the gasoline.

62 Skip Intro  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 8:21:55am

re: #56 Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

The insurance companies in my state have done such a fine job of eliminating providers that their plans are worthless to me.

Allowing them to stay in charge was the biggest mistake of the ACA.

63 Joanne  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 8:22:58am

re: #60 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts think it’s more important to have a gun in case they might need to shoot somebody, than to have a healthcare policy in case they might need to be hospitalized.

My favorite is the I WILL NOT GET HEALTH INSURANCE BECAUSE OBAMA TOLD ME TO thing because, really, go for it. If you’re stupid enough to do that for that reason, well, Darwin.

64 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 8:25:29am

re: #63 Joanne

My favorite is the I WILL NOT GET HEALTH INSURANCE BECAUSE OBAMA TOLD ME TO thing because, really, go for it. If you’re stupid enough to do that for that reason, well, Darwin.

I think the most idiotic are the people who have a problem with non-titizens getting any form of coverage. Let’s think about this strictly practically for a second and without hearts and it’s still stupid.

65 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 8:26:02am
66 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 8:28:50am

re: #64 HappyWarrior

I think the most idiotic are the people who have a problem with non-titizens getting any form of coverage. Let’s think about this strictly practically for a second and without hearts and it’s still stupid.

Practicality is not their focus. It’s a misguided sense of a need to punish and inflict pain on others for really vague reasons.

67 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 8:28:59am

re: #65 Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

Seriously fucking Obama can’t win these schizos.

68 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 8:30:46am

re: #66 Feline Fearless Leader

Practicality is not their focus. It’s a misguided sense of a need to punish and inflict pain on others for really vague reasons.

True, hence the opposition to the DREAM Act. But I mean practically you want people with illnesses treated so they you know don’t spread. This actually speaks to why I have a problem with the anti-vaxxers. They’re putting their-selves at risk but they’re also putting others at risk too by refusing to get vaccines. And that’s not even mentioning the use of Autistic spectrum people to attack vaccinations.

69 Mike Lamb  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 8:35:31am

The affirmative sabotaging of the website, while not exactly surprising, is nonetheless breathtaking. Sabotaging the website doesn’t do anything to Obama, nor does it advance any particular part of the GOP’s goal to defund/repeal. No, what it does is fuck over the people that actually want to get insurance—people who understand that the ACA represents their only opportunity to get some level of coverage.

Tying this effort to civil disobedience is to completely distort the term. Then again, co-opting history, language, etc., is, unfortunately, something that conservatives are quite adept at doing.

70 Joanne  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 8:41:28am

re: #66 Feline Fearless Leader

Practicality is not their focus. It’s a misguided sense of a need to punish and inflict pain on others for really vague reasons.

Agreed. The sociopathy of selfishness knows no limit of heartlessness.

71 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 8:43:26am

re: #69 Mike Lamb

The affirmative sabotaging of the website, while not exactly surprising, is nonetheless breathtaking. Sabotaging the website doesn’t do anything to Obama, nor does it advance any particular part of the GOP’s goal to defund/repeal. No, what it does is fuck over the people that actually want to get insurance—people who understand that the ACA represents their only opportunity to get some level of coverage.

Tying this effort to civil disobedience is to completely distort the term. Then again, co-opting history, language, etc., is, unfortunately, something that conservatives are quite adept at doing.

It’s active sabotage and simply inexcusable behavior. You don’t like ACA, fine.That’s your right as an American but you have no right whatsoever to sabotage that service simply because of your dislike of it. Would wingnuts take kindly to anti-war hackers hacking military systems? No they wouldn’t and hell knowing them they’d probably demand a death sentence without trial. It’s one thing to have fault with this law. It’s another to actively fuck people over who will benefit from it.

72 KiTA  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 8:43:56am

re: #11 Vicious Babushka

73 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 8:45:08am

I’d also have to ask “How can we be sure it was wingnuts who created this attack?” The Ars Technica article Charles linked to noted:

Of course, there’s no way of knowing who wrote and posted the tool, which has been mentioned on social media sites. It’s certainly possible that it’s the work of critics of President Obama’s healthcare legislation. But until we learn more, there’s no way to rule out the possibility that it was developed by an Obamacare supporter with the hope of discrediting critics.

For all we know the attack could have come from China, perhaps to conceal a nastier virus or worm installing itself on the attack’s host computers.

74 Bulworth  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 8:47:37am

re: #60 Vicious Babushka

[wingnut]Armed self defense is the most important thing in the whole world but health insurance is for pu$$ies.//

75 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 8:48:59am

re: #73 Dark_Falcon

I’d also have to ask “How can we be sure it was wingnuts who created this attack?” The Ars Technica article Charles linked to noted:

For all we know the attack could have come from China, perhaps to conceal a nastier virus or worm installing itself on the attack’s host computers.

It’s definitely possible but I really don’t think China gains anything by hacking healthcare.gov. And I especially disagree with the latter suggestion that a supporter of ACA would deliberately hack the system to discredit critics. Plus weren’t wingnuts telling people to overload the system the day it launched? I mean, I know we have no outright proof but the rhetoric of wingnuts on ACA past and present really hasn’t led me to believe that they wouldn’t do something like this. Do well to remember that Malkin published the address of a SCHIP supporter to harass the kid.

76 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 8:49:28am

re: #74 Bulworth

[wingnut]Armed self defense is the most important thing in the whole world but health insurance is for pu$$ies.//

Conservative nanny state is better than liberal nanny state.//

77 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 8:49:48am

re: #70 Joanne

Agreed. The sociopathy of selfishness knows no limit of heartlessness.

78 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 8:52:48am

re: #73 Dark_Falcon

I’d also have to ask “How can we be sure it was wingnuts who created this attack?” The Ars Technica article Charles linked to noted:

For all we know the attack could have come from China, perhaps to conceal a nastier virus or worm installing itself on the attack’s host computers.

There is a mentality that craves distrust. When it convinces the majority of us that all flags are false, all motives ulterior, all neighbors criminals, we will be ungovernable. The idiots who hunger for anarchy think they will go Galt. They’re more likely to go into a cooking pot.

79 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 8:54:30am

In the WTFITS category.

Just got back from the grocery store. Young clerk says their hours are being cut back from around 38 to 30 or less, effective immediately.

I said, “Right here at the start of the holidays? What kind of bullshit is that?”

She said all the employees were being cut back. Except the salaried ones, of course, who are actually only the mgr and asst mgr, but they’ll wind up working more hours. This is a very busy store, high volume, and I just don’t see how they’re going to do it without sacrificing something.

80 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 8:54:50am

Love thy neighbor Let thy neighbor get sick and die. No, health care is not a right outright said in the Constitution but there are these things called implied powers. And honestly I know it’s a little controversial to say but we have to stop acting like the Constitution is a holy book. It’s a great governing document but we also have to know the times when it was written too.

81 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 8:55:29am

re: #78 Decatur Deb

There is a mentality that craves distrust. When it convinces the majority of us that all flags are false, all motives ulterior, all neighbors criminals, we will be ungovernable. The idiots who hunger for anarchy think they will go Galt. They’re more likely to go into a cooking pot.

I’m not saying its a false flag, although I feel quite sure that Alex Jones will. What I am saying is “Lets not get too far ahead of ourselves. It might end up that this was some ‘moby’ stunt, so let’s wait till we know who did this.”

82 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 8:57:08am

re: #77 Vicious Babushka

83 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 8:58:22am

re: #77 Vicious Babushka

#healthcare is not a #right. #tcot #tlot #p2 #lnyhbt #libertarian pic.twitter.com/r5e1LUEXex
— William L (@WDLKD) November 8, 2013

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


wel*fare
ˈwelˌfe(ə)r
noun
1. the health, happiness, and fortunes of a person or group.


It’s in the part of the Constitution where the reason for the Constitution is laid out. Don’t these fuckers still have those damn pocket constitutions they had such a hardon for just a little while back.

84 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 8:58:51am

re: #82 Dark_Falcon

[Embedded content]

That is the same guy who keeps Tweeting THEIR ARE NO PICTUERS OF OBAMA HUGGING SOLDIERS!!!!!111 NOT EVEN ONE!!!!11!!!!

He does not know how to use Teh Googles.

85 Mike Lamb  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 8:59:13am

re: #77 Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

Someone still doesn’t understand who pays for the insurance except in some very, very limited circumstances…

86 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 8:59:33am

re: #83 Eventual Carrion

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general >Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

wel*fare
ˈwelˌfe(ə)r
noun
1. the >health, happiness, and fortunes of a person or group.

It’s in the part of the Constitution where the reason for the Constitution is laid out. Don’t these fuckers still have those damn pocket constitutions they had such a hardon for just a little while back.

To go with that, I remember reading stories about health care legislation happening as early as the 1st Congress.

87 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 8:59:52am

re: #83 Eventual Carrion

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general >Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

wel*fare
ˈwelˌfe(ə)r
noun
1. the >health, happiness, and fortunes of a person or group.

It’s in the part of the Constitution where the reason for the Constitution is laid out. Don’t these fuckers still have those damn pocket constitutions they had such a hardon for just a little while back.

They have the Reader’s Digest Abridged Constitution which only contains the 2nd Amendment.

88 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:00:47am

re: #81 Dark_Falcon

I’m not saying its a false flag, although I feel quite sure that Alex Jones will. What I am saying is “Lets not get too far ahead of ourselves. It might end up that this was some ‘moby’ stunt, so let’s wait till we know who did this.”

Let’s let the professionals hunt them down and apply the computer crime laws in place. Not likely to be that hard. in the meanwhile, healthcare.gov was working here better than usual at 0500 this morning.

89 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:01:24am

re: #88 Decatur Deb

Let’s let the professionals hunt them down and apply the computer crime laws in place. Not likely to be that hard. in the meanwhile, healthcare.gov
was working here better than usual at 0500 this morning.

Yep, that explains why I had so much trouble yesterday.

90 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:01:32am

re: #87 Vicious Babushka

They have the Reader’s Digest Abridges Constitution which only contains the 2nd Amendment.

Worse than Ted Nugent, even, since Ted at least understands the 1st Amendment as well.

91 Bulworth  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:03:47am

re: #77 Vicious Babushka

The wingnut broken record. Needs a new needle.

92 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:04:48am

re: #91 Bulworth

The wingnut broken record. Needs a new needle.

Yeah seriously Dems are all welfare recipients is a pretty stale one that they were using in the 70’s.

93 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:05:21am

re: #89 Varek Raith

Yep, that explains why I had so much trouble yesterday.

Don’t know the cause, but I’ve been afraid at times that determined purchasers and the Navigator staffs themselves might self-impose a DDoS just by repeated attempts.

94 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:05:29am

re: #87 Vicious Babushka

They have the Reader’s Digest Abridged Constitution which only contains the 2nd Amendment.

Mrs. Tannenbaum, my 12th grade English teacher in Miami, told us never, ever to read that rag—she considered it trash. I always followed her advice, because she was way ahead of her time for the 1950s, even recommending the most controversial authors of that time.

95 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:05:55am

re: #92 HappyWarrior

Yeah seriously Dems are all welfare recipients is a pretty stale one that they were using in the 70’s.

HURR HURR DEMOCRAPZ IS ALL UNEMPLOYED!!!!11 ONLY TEH CONSERVATIVES HAS TEH JRRBS!!!!!111!!1!1

96 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:08:40am

re: #95 Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR DEMOCRAPZ IS ALL UNEMPLOYED!!!!11 ONLY TEH CONSERVATIVES HAS TEH JRRBS!!!!!111!!1!1

or if not that, conservatives live in real “your state here.”

97 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:09:19am

This is wonderful news! Now, if Republicans will just take advantage of it.

US to require insurers to cover mental health, addiction same as physical illness

usnews.nbcnews.com

98 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:10:40am

MOAR LIBRULS IS LAZY MOCHERZ

99 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:11:15am

re: #83 Eventual Carrion

Don’t these fuckers still have those damn pocket constitutions they had such a hardon for just a little while back.

I’m pretty sure they do. In Lubbock, the John Birch Society passes them out at local high schools, along with a lecture from their supplement-peddling local spokes-liar.

100 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:11:58am

MikeAndy is so full of TEH DERP

101 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:13:17am

re: #98 Vicious Babushka

MOAR LIBRULS IS LAZY MOCHERZ

[Embedded content]

I hear they also have that sign available as a shoulder patch; You get the patch after your first month in the Ayn Rand Fan Club.

102 Joanne  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:13:58am

re: #98 Vicious Babushka

Youtube Video

103 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:14:01am

re: #99 Shiplord Kirel

I’m pretty sure they do. In Lubbock, the John Birch Society passes them out at local high schools, along with a lecture from their supplement-peddling local spokes-liar.

I started carrying mine during my work as a census enumerator. It was … entertaining, shall we say, to educate some listeners of Rush & the like about what the Constitution _really_ says vs what they’re told it says. I still keep it in my daily bag for that reason.

105 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:17:19am

re: #104 Varek Raith

MAP: The 5 Million People The GOP Cut Out Of Obamacare

With the exception of Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Wisconsin, Florida, and Maine. Those are some of the reddest of red states. Mostly poorer states too. I think that’s the sad part. The people who vote for these people are only fucking themselves over and then they’ll believe the lies by said politicians that all these troubles are Obama and left’s fault.

106 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:18:03am

re: #103 William Barnett-Lewis

I started carrying mine during my work as a census enumerator. It was … entertaining, shall we say, to educated some listeners of Rush & the like about what the Constitution _really_ says vs what they’re told it says. I still keep it in my daily bag for that reason.

You only have the adulterated lib censored version, which omits such important concepts as Christian supremacy, the prohibition on minimum wages and capital gains taxes, and the sanctity of inherited wealth.

107 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:18:32am

re: #104 Varek Raith

MAP: The 5 Million People The GOP Cut Out Of Obamacare

Alabama on the Kaiser map is a good bit lighter than the locally-pulled number (300,000). The difference is somewhere in the definitions or assumptions.

108 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:18:33am

re: #105 HappyWarrior

A lot of them are fans of country music, including Brad Paisey and Carrie Underwood…

109 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:18:41am

re: #101 Dark_Falcon

I here they also have that sign available as a shoulder patch; You get the patch after your first month in the Ayn Rand Fan Club.

I think the second patch is “Pretend to put a dollar on a stick in front of a homeless guy,” “I swear to do my worst to my fellow man and treat anyone who thinks helping my fellow man with contempt.” Rand Scout’s honor.

110 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:19:27am

re: #108 Sol Berdinowitz

A lot of them are fans of country music, including Brad Paisey and Carrie Underwood…

Yeah. I don’t get it. That skit was the kind of elitist crap that conservative in the heartland claim to resent about the entertainment industry.

111 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:19:36am

re: #103 William Barnett-Lewis

I started carrying mine during my work as a census enumerator. It was … entertaining, shall we say, to educate some listeners of Rush & the like about what the Constitution _really_ says vs what they’re told it says. I still keep it in my daily bag for that reason.

What is needed is a paperback-sized hardcover edition of the Constitution. That would be used by sane people about to meet nutjobs or dudebros. If the sane person cannot convince the crazy as to the plain truth of the text, then they close the book and use it hard cover to smack the loon upside the head.

/It’s Warner Brothers cartoon idea, but the crazies are so far out there these days that I’d be willing to try an idea from a cartoon.

112 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:19:47am

re: #106 Shiplord Kirel

You only have the adulterated lib censored version, which omits such important concepts as Christian supremacy, the prohibition on minimum wages and capital gains taxes, and the sanctity of inherited wealth.

Heh. Had _1_ guy try that. I showed him the “Cato institute” on the back cover and he shut up.

113 Joanne  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:20:10am

re: #110 HappyWarrior

Yeah. I don’t get it. That skit was the kind of elitist crap that conservative in the heartland claim to resent about the entertainment industry.

THEIR entertainment industry, not ours!

114 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:20:13am

MOAR FAVORITE MEMES OF TEH DERP

115 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:20:32am

re: #83 Eventual Carrion

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general >Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

wel*fare
ˈwelˌfe(ə)r
noun
1. the >health, happiness, and fortunes of a person or group.

It’s in the part of the Constitution where the reason for the Constitution is laid out. Don’t these fuckers still have those damn pocket constitutions they had such a hardon for just a little while back.

Area Man Passionate Defender Of What He Imagines Constitution To Be

116 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:21:54am

re: #114 Vicious Babushka

Showing GW Bush in a uniform is particularly fitting…

117 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:21:57am

re: #113 Joanne

THEIR entertainment industry, not ours!

Yeah true point.

118 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:22:49am

re: #116 Sol Berdinowitz

Showing GW Bush in a uniform is particularly fitting…

Ronald Reagan’s “uniform” was actually a costume.

119 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:23:53am

re: #118 Vicious Babushka

Ronald Reagan’s “uniform” was actually a costume.

I had not looked that one up yet..

But again, this is all preaching to the choir here, it just keeps the echoes bouncing

120 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:24:00am

re: #115 Sol Berdinowitz

Area Man Passionate Defender Of What He Imagines Constitution To Be

An oldie but a goodie.

121 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:24:14am
Conservative women vs. Liberal women. Enough said…

Yeah, you’re a sexist asshole.

122 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:24:54am

re: #114 Vicious Babushka

MOAR FAVORITE MEMES OF TEH DERP

[Embedded content]

So Obama wore a turban, so what? Calvin Coolidge worn an Native American war bonnet:

Image: calvin-coolidge-sioux.jpg

123 Joanne  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:25:12am

re: #116 Sol Berdinowitz

Showing GW Bush in a uniform is particularly fitting…

They meant to use this one.

124 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:25:14am

Like real medicine, the One True Constitution was, and still is, handed down orally by true men of substance and faith. As devoted Christian businessmen, the Founders established this tradition because they recognized that literacy for common folk is an invention of the devil, or of Voltaire and Thomas Paine, which is the same thing.

125 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:25:40am

re: #121 Varek Raith

Yeah, you’re a sexist asshole.

Seriously. Though I’m pretty sure that’s a guy in the far right. No matter, two could play this game but I won’t and here’s why. I graduated elementary school in 1999.

127 BongCrodny  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:26:46am

re: #118 Vicious Babushka

Ronald Reagan’s “uniform” was actually a costume.

For most of WWII, Ronald Reagan was assigned to the 1st Motion Picture Unit.

War is hell.

128 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:28:12am

re: #77 Vicious Babushka

I get the impression their preferred variant is:
“Make a man a fire and you keep him warm for a day. Set a man on fire and you keep him warm for the rest of his life.”
//
:p

129 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:28:25am

re: #127 BongCrodny

For most of WWII, Ronald Reagan was assigned to the 1st Motion Picture Unit.

War is hell.

Yeah, to his credit he actually did serve in the U.S Army. Unlike John Wayne who didn’t and then put down people who didn’t want to fight in Vietnam. The guy I really admire from Hollywood during that time though- Jimmy Stewart. Clark Gable too. Both of those guys put themselves in harm’s way and this obviously isn’t a political attack on Wayne since Stewart and Gable were known to be conservative.

130 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:29:50am
131 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:29:52am

BBL.

132 CuriousLurker  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:30:32am

OT Drive-by - I don’t know much about how the UN works, so I have no idea if this has any practical importance of if it’s mostly symbolic:

U.S., Israel lose voting rights at UNESCO over Palestine row

(Reuters) - UNESCO has suspended the voting rights of the United States and Israel, two years after both countries stopped paying dues to the U.N.’s cultural arm in protest over its granting full membership to the Palestinians.

The U.S. decision to cancel its funding in October 2011 was blamed on U.S. laws that prohibit funding to any U.N. agency that implies recognition of the Palestinians’ demands for their own state.

Israel also pulled its funding, objecting to what it called unilateral attempts by the Palestinians to gain recognition of statehood.

Both countries missed a 1100 GMT Friday deadline to provide an official justification for non-payment and a plan to pay back missed dues, a UNESCO source told Reuters. That automatically triggered suspension of their voting rights. […]

reuters.com

133 BongCrodny  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:32:04am

re: #129 HappyWarrior

Yeah, to his credit he actually did serve in the U.S Army. Unlike John Wayne who didn’t and then put down people who didn’t want to fight in Vietnam. The guy I really admire from Hollywood during that time though- Jimmy Stewart. Clark Gable too. Both of those guys put themselves in harm’s way and this obviously isn’t a political attack on Wayne since Stewart and Gable were known to be conservative.

Yeah, I probably worded my comment a bit inelegantly; it wasn’t meant so much as an attack on Reagan as it was his “Saint Reagan!” followers.

134 Bulworth  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:32:39am

re: #119 Sol Berdinowitz

the limitless expanse of his own colorful imagination…

Also, too: The Washington Times outside my federal office building still advertising READ RAND PAUL’S COLUMN ON FRIDAY.

Awesomesauce.

135 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:32:59am

re: #132 CuriousLurker

>OT Drive-by - I don’t know much about how the UN works, so I have no idea if this has any practical importance of if it’s mostly symbolic:

It’s mostly symbolic, and not something that will change, since the stopping of US dues to UNESCO was mandated by a Clinton-era Act of Congress. Only Congress could rescind such a law and Congress will not do so.

136 Bulworth  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:33:23am

re: #130 Vicious Babushka

Confirmed. FACT.

137 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:34:06am

re: #133 BongCrodny

Yeah, I probably worded my comment a bit inelegantly; it wasn’t meant so much as an attack on Reagan as it was his “Saint Reagan!” followers.

I know heh. Carter’s service isn’t talked a lot about because he never was in combat but he was a submarine officer and would have been a lifer probably if his father hadn’t gotten sick yet Carter has his patriotism questioned all the time. I disagree with him on some stuff but the guy loves this country.Hell I think even Glenn Beck loves this country even if he’s deeply delusional to what we’re all about.

138 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:34:32am
139 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:34:36am

re: #130 Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

Oh, FFS already.

140 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:35:49am

re: #136 Bulworth

Confirmed. FACT.

You know what, I’ll say it. If Obama is gay? and or used cocaine as a young man? Who the fuck cares. Well we already know about the cocaine use since he’s conceded that but the gay part. I think he’s pretty secure with who he is. That’s more than you can say about these RWNJs who wage war against gays for years and then get caught soliciting male prostitutes.

141 CuriousLurker  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:36:18am

re: #135 Dark_Falcon

It’s mostly symbolic, and not something that will change, since the stopping of US dues to UNESCO was mandated by a Clinton-era Act of Congress. Only Congress could rescind such a law and Congress will not do so.

Thanks for the info. Ditto for the info earlier about Nazis—I tend to think of any member of the German military during that time as being one, but I guess that’s not really correct. I really need to learn more about WWI &WWII.

Gotta run. BBL

142 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:37:18am

re: #133 BongCrodny

Yeah, I probably worded my comment a bit inelegantly; it wasn’t meant so much as an attack on Reagan as it was his “Saint Reagan!” followers.

That’s fair. As I’ve often said, those people know “REAGAN!!1”. The real Ronald W. Reagan is someone they’d hate. If you read to a wingnut Reagan’s speech wherein he made clear that his administration accepted Social Security and would not move against that program the wingnut would go into a paroxysm of rage. you’d have to cover your ears as the wingnut screamed “PURGE THE RINO!!!11”.

143 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:38:33am

re: #141 CuriousLurker

Thanks for the info. Ditto for the info earlier about Nazis—I tend to think of any member of the German military during that time as being one, but I guess that’s not really correct. I really need to learn more about WWI &WWII.

Gotta run. BBL

CL quick before you go but if you want to learn more about WWI and thus WWII, Margaret Macmillan, who is actually the great grandfaughter of the British PM during WWI, Lloyd-George has a great book out about the Paris Peace Conference called Paris 1919. She has a new one about the lead up to WWI that’s supposed to be great too. I read a review of it last week. As for WWII, I imagine Shirer’s Rise and Fall of the Thrid Reich would be good too although I to my shame still need to read that.

144 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:38:41am

re: #137 HappyWarrior

I know heh. Carter’s service isn’t talked a lot about because he never was in combat but he was a submarine officer and would have been a lifer probably if his father hadn’t gotten sick yet Carter has his patriotism questioned all the time. I disagree with him on some stuff but the guy loves this country.Hell I think even Glenn Beck loves this country even if he’s deeply delusional to what we’re all about.

Please don’t lump Carter in with that crazy motherfucker Beck who only loves money.

Carter at least has an ethical core and lives up to his religious convictions—admirable in this day and age. I don’t always agree with him, either, but he’s not worthy of disdain like Beck.

145 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:39:01am

Another GO VIRAL!!!! meme, courtesy of dear Prudence, which gets retweeted over and over.

146 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:39:01am

re: #142 Dark_Falcon

That’s fair. As I’ve often said, those people know “REAGAN!!1”. The real Ronald W. Reagan is someone they’d hate. If you read to a wingnut Reagan’s speech wherein he made clear that his administration accepted Social Security and would not move against that program the wingnut would go into a paroxysm of rage. you’d have to cover your ears as the wingnut screamed “PURGE THE RINO!!!11”.

Given how they’ve already twisted Bible Jesus into fitting their desired views and goals why should anyone be surprised that a simple human like Reagan would get the same treatment?
//

147 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:40:47am
Please don’t lump Carter in with that crazy motherfucker Beck who only loves money.

Carter at least has an ethical core and lives up to his religious convictions—admirable in this day and age. I don’t always agree with him, either, but he’s not worthy of disdain like Beck.

I am not lumping Carter in with Beck. I am saying even I can concede that someone I despise like Glenn Beck loves our country. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

148 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:41:57am

re: #145 Vicious Babushka

Another GO VIRAL!!!! meme, courtesy of dear Prudence, which gets retweeted over and over.

[Embedded content]

Yeah, people had no time to research Obama between July of 2008 and November of 2008. I did and you know what I happily voted for him over McCain and I’d do it again 1000 times over.

149 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:43:48am

re: #146 Feline Fearless Leader

Given how they’ve already twisted Bible Jesus into fitting their desired views and goals why should anyone be surprised that a simple human like Reagan would get the same treatment?
//

Yeah, they’ve always been more in love with Reagan teh abstract rather than Reagan the president/man. I have my problems with Reagan but I think he had a flexibility that would surely get him vilified by today’s cons. For one, they’d hate that he’d talk with Tip O’Neill let alone Gorby.

150 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:49:02am

re: #149 HappyWarrior

Yeah, they’ve always been more in love with Reagan teh abstract rather than Reagan the president/man. I have my problems with Reagan but I think he had a flexibility that would surely get him vilified by today’s cons. For one, they’d hate that he’d talk with Tip O’Neill let alone Gorby.

They pretty much made a marble man out of Reagan. Enhanced certain facets of his personality and actions and then ossified them while totally ignoring other parts. Similar in a sense to how R E Lee was treated by the whole Southern Apologist movement after the ACW and into the mid-20th century at least.

151 Lidane  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:49:05am

re: #145 Vicious Babushka

That birther shit is particularly stupid. Barack Obama would’ve undergone an extensive background check when he got elected to the Senate in order to get his security clearances. Plus, he’s been POTUS since 2008. He’s not an unknown.

152 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:50:04am

re: #129 HappyWarrior

Yeah, to his credit he actually did serve in the U.S Army. Unlike John Wayne who didn’t and then put down people who didn’t want to fight in Vietnam. The guy I really admire from Hollywood during that time though- Jimmy Stewart. Clark Gable too. Both of those guys put themselves in harm’s way and this obviously isn’t a political attack on Wayne since Stewart and Gable were known to be conservative.

I’ve got tons of props and respect for the baseball players who went and served, even though they probably could have gotten out and avoided hazardous duties.

That includes nobodies like Ted Williams (who also served and fought in Korea), Yogi Berra (participated in DDay), Jackie Robinson (before breaking the MLB color barrier), Hank Greenberg, Bob Feller, Warren Spahn, Joe DiMaggio, and Stan Musial, among countless others.

153 Lidane  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:50:30am
154 calochortus  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:51:42am

re: #114 Vicious Babushka

MOAR FAVORITE MEMES OF TEH DERP

[Embedded content]

So they’re saying that women’s worth is all in their appearance?

How’s that rebranding coming?

155 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:52:06am

re: #127 BongCrodny

For most of WWII, Ronald Reagan was assigned to the 1st Motion Picture Unit.

War is hell.

And part of a union board during that time also wasn’t he. Damn union thug.

156 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:52:48am

re: #152 lawhawk

I’ve got tons of props and respect for the baseball players who went and served, even though they probably could have gotten out and avoided hazardous duties.

That includes nobodies like Ted Williams (who also served and fought in Korea), Yogi Berra (participated in DDay), Jackie Robinson (before breaking the MLB color barrier), Hank Greenberg, Bob Feller, Warren Spahn, Joe DiMaggio, and Stan Musial, among countless others.

Got Warren’s autograph. That one means a lot to me as I was a lefty pitcher and Spahn as you know is the winning-est lefty ever.Great guy too according to my Dad who got it for me. Ted Williams was at the same restaurant that night at an unrelated function but the waiters were told not to ask for his autograph. But yeah I do too. And I love Hank Greenberg the more I learn about him. He was an early supporter of Jackie’s and he also supported Curt Flood when Flood challenged the Establishment Clause.

157 piratedan  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:52:54am

re: #129 HappyWarrior

Yeah, to his credit he actually did serve in the U.S Army. Unlike John Wayne who didn’t and then put down people who didn’t want to fight in Vietnam. The guy I really admire from Hollywood during that time though- Jimmy Stewart. Clark Gable too. Both of those guys put themselves in harm’s way and this obviously isn’t a political attack on Wayne since Stewart and Gable were known to be conservative.

per wiki:

America’s entry into World War II resulted in a deluge of support for the war effort from all sectors of society, and Hollywood was no exception. Wayne was exempted from service due to his age (34 at the time of Pearl Harbor) and family status, classified as 3-A (family deferment). He repeatedly wrote John Ford saying he wanted to enlist, on one occasion enquiring whether he could get into Ford’s military unit, but consistently kept postponing it until after “he finished just one or two pictures”.[28] Wayne did not attempt to prevent his reclassification as 1-A (draft eligible), but Republic Studios was emphatically resistant to losing him; Herbert J. Yates, President of Republic, threatened Wayne with a lawsuit if he walked away from his contract[29] and Republic Pictures intervened in the Selective Service process, requesting Wayne’s further deferment.[30]

Wayne toured U.S. bases and hospitals in the South Pacific for three months in 1943 and 1944.[31] By many accounts, Wayne’s failure to serve in the military was the most painful experience of his life.[32] His widow later suggested that his patriotism in later decades sprang from guilt, writing: “He would become a ‘superpatriot’ for the rest of his life trying to atone for staying home.”[33]

like most things in life, it’s complicated….to be honest, that’s a strange position to be in, threatened by your employer with a lawsuit if you break your contract to serve your country. If you can believe wiki… naturally ymmv.

158 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:53:03am

re: #149 HappyWarrior

Considering how the wingnuts are continuously going on and on about Benghazi, their reverence for Reagan is odd considering that Reagan never went after those responsible for the Marine barracks bombing. Less than six months after the bombing, the Marines and US presence was withdrawn from Lebanon, and other than some shelling of targets by the USS New Jersey (IIRC) the Reagan Administration did nothing to go after those responsible - Iran or their proxies that morphed into Hizbullah.

159 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:53:58am

re: #153 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Sigh. That poor family has been through too much. I just wish these people would show at least some respect to Martin. I don’t care if you think Zimmerman was innocent of murder or manslaughter or not. Show some fucking compassion to the Martins, they lost their son.

160 blueraven  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:54:42am

re: #130 Vicious Babushka

Orly pounces

I need your help in finding this person Mia Marie Pope, who claims to have known Obama whe he was 16 and claims to have info on his fraudulent use of Social Security numbers

I am shocked that she hasn’t been able to contact this woman. ///

161 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:56:28am

re: #157 piratedan

per wiki:

like most things in life, it’s complicated….to be honest, that’s a strange position to be in, threatened by your employer with a lawsuit if you break your contract to serve your country. If you can believe wiki… naturally ymmv.

True and I don’t totally begrudge him. I just have a problem with a man who didn’t enlist while many of his contemporaries did and attacked those who didn’t do so in Vietnam. I don’t think Wayne was a horrible person. His movies with some exceptions aren’t my cup of tea but I don’t hate him. I just have a problem with people like that who don’t serve as young men and then attack other young men who may have an ethical problem with a war. My grandfatehr, Korean War vet hated the officials who pushed the Iraq War who did not serve because he had to serve as a young man and it impacted him and he knew what war did to young people and he hated the cavalier attitude he saw about war coming from guys like Cheney especially.

162 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:57:26am

re: #158 lawhawk

Considering how the wingnuts are continuously going on and on about Benghazi, their reverence for Reagan is odd considering that Reagan never went after those responsible for the Marine barracks bombing. Less than six months after the bombing, the Marines and US presence was withdrawn from Lebanon, and other than some shelling of targets by the USS New Jersey (IIRC) the Reagan Administration did nothing to go after those responsible - Iran or their proxies that morphed into Hizbullah.

Yeah if Beirut happened under Obama. Oh boy. Ditto Iran-Contra. Reagan gets away alot with the right because he’s Reagan.

163 Mike Lamb  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:58:06am

re: #160 blueraven

Orly pounces

I need your help in finding this person Mia Marie Pope, who claims to have known Obama whe he was 16 and claims to have info on his fraudulent use of Social Security numbers

I am shocked that she hasn’t been able to contact this woman. ///

From the link:

This maybe true, a large number of politicians are closet gay or bisexials.

I mean seriously?

And also, how would this alleged high school classmate have any conception of whether someone was using an invalid SSN? Fuck, I hate when stupid people get any portion of the microphone.

164 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 9:59:07am

re: #153 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Larry Pratt is so out there delusional that he screamed about a law that passed in Florida that kept those who had been diagnosed as a danger to themselves or others but had agreed to accept treatment from buying a gun until a judge ruled that they had been cured. The NRA had actually largely written the law, and it passed the Florida legislature with only one dissenting vote.

Thankfully, Gov Scott ignored Pratt’s screams and signed the bill into law.

165 CuriousLurker  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 10:00:29am

re: #143 HappyWarrior

CL quick before you go but if you want to learn more about WWI and thus WWII, Margaret Macmillan, who is actually the great grandfaughter of the British PM during WWI, Lloyd-George has a great book out about the Paris Peace Conference called Paris 1919. She has a new one about the lead up to WWI that’s supposed to be great too. I read a review of it last week. As for WWII, I imagine Shirer’s Rise and Fall of the Thrid Reich would be good too although I to my shame still need to read that.

Thanks, they’re on my Amazon list and I also found the film version of Paris 1919 on YouTube,

166 blueraven  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 10:01:01am

re: #163 Mike Lamb

From the link:

This maybe true, a large number of politicians are closet gay or >bisexials.

I mean seriously?

And also, how would this alleged high school classmate have any conception of whether someone was using an invalid SSN? Fuck, I hate when stupid people get any portion of the microphone.

Of course none of this makes any kind of sense, but these people threw logic overboard many years ago.

167 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 10:01:42am

re: #165 CuriousLurker

Thanks, they’re on my Amazon list and I also found the film version of Paris 1919 on YouTube,

Ooh there’s a film version? I’ll have to check that out myself. Of course, the standard is Barbara Taubman’s Guns of August. I believe that one was actually recommended to me here.

168 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 10:02:18am

re: #163 Mike Lamb

And also, how would this alleged high school classmate have any conception of whether someone was using an invalid SSN? Fuck, I hate when stupid people get any portion of the microphone.

Also: what has this person been doing since 2008? Just got out of the slammer?

169 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 10:02:26am

re: #163 Mike Lamb

From the link:

This maybe true, a large number of politicians are closet gay or >bisexials.

I mean seriously?

And also, how would this alleged high school classmate have any conception of whether someone was using an invalid SSN? Fuck, I hate when stupid people get any portion of the microphone.

Logic how the fuck does it work.

170 Kragar  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 10:03:46am

Iowa police kill son whose father only wanted to ‘teach him a lesson’

Police in Ames, Iowa began pursuing 19-year-old Tyler Comstock after his father, James, reported the van he was driving as stolen. By the time the chase ended, Tyler was dead, shot six times by Ames police officer Adam McPherson.

But the van wasn’t stolen, according to James Comstock, it was borrowed by his son, who wanted to buy cigarettes.

“He took off with my truck. I call the police, and they kill him,” James Comstock told The Des Moines Register. “It was over a damn pack of cigarettes. I wouldn’t buy him none.”

Police chased Tyler Comstock onto the Iowa State University campus and set up a blockade that resulted in Comstock ramming Officer McPherson’s vehicle. McPherson ordered Comstock to shut off his truck, and when he refused to comply, McPherson shot at him six times.

171 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 10:04:05am

re: #168 Vicious Babushka

Also: what has this person been doing since 2008? Just got out of the slammer?

My bet? There’s a possibility she did go to HS with Obama but she’s probably fallen on hard economic times while her former classmate has obviously done quite well for himself and she knows how desperate people like Lively are for sexy stories about Obama doing coke and guys and probably saw the money and notoriety that could come with that.

172 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 10:04:23am

USMC is out playing today. AH-1W (Supercobra) making passes over Center City Philadelphia. Was roughly at 30 story up level swinging out over Art Museum and then back towards the Delaware River.

Didn’t get a picture though. :(

173 Kragar  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 10:04:29am

re: #168 Vicious Babushka

Also: what has this person been doing since 2008? Just got out of the slammer?

Just woke up from a coma maybe.
///

174 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 10:04:54am

re: #170 Kragar

Iowa police kill son whose father only wanted to ‘teach him a lesson’

Man. Just man.

175 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 10:05:33am

re: #158 lawhawk

Considering how the wingnuts are continuously going on and on about Benghazi, their reverence for Reagan is odd considering that Reagan never went after those responsible for the Marine barracks bombing. Less than six months after the bombing, the Marines and US presence was withdrawn from Lebanon, and other than some shelling of targets by the USS New Jersey (IIRC) the Reagan Administration did nothing to go after those responsible - Iran or their proxies that morphed into Hizbullah.

You are correct about the BB involved; it was indeed the USS New Jersey.

176 The War TARDIS  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 10:10:48am

re: #169 HappyWarrior

Fun fact:

Of the 11th Doctor’s 7 Companions, 3 have been gay or bisexual.

River Song, Canton Everett Delaware III, and Clara Oswald.

177 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 10:11:33am

Found another batshit crazy person on Teh Twitters
MOAR CRAZIE than Prudence

178 Bulworth  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 10:13:09am

re: #170 Kragar

awful.

179 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 10:13:32am

re: #177 Vicious Babushka

Found another batshit crazy person on Teh Twitters
MOAR CRAZIE than Prudence

[Embedded content]

why is it most American hating rich people are fat and ugly, or completely void of brains?
Ooh like Rush Limbaugh. I don’t even like Mcihael Moore but if the best criticism of him you’ve got is OHMG HE’S FAT AND UGLY, then you’ve just failed kindergarten.

180 Bulworth  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 10:13:42am

re: #168 Vicious Babushka

Just got outta FEMA gulag!!!

181 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 10:14:31am

re: #170 Kragar

Iowa police kill son whose father only wanted to ‘teach him a lesson’

Cops can get trigger happy sometimes, and not all police are properly trained.

182 Kragar  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 10:15:12am

re: #177 Vicious Babushka

Found another batshit crazy person on Teh Twitters
MOAR CRAZIE than Prudence

[Embedded content]

Sounds like that idiot Virgil I was talking to a few days back.

“Most societies preferred rich land owners making all the decisions, and the minorities loved it.”

183 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 10:15:25am

re: #167 HappyWarrior

Ooh there’s a film version? I’ll have to check that out myself. Of course, the standard is Barbara Taubman’s Guns of August. I believe that one was actually recommended to me here.

Robert Massie’s _Dreadnought_ also goes into the lead up to WW1. Concentrates on the naval side of things, but does also cover the series of crises and shifting alliances that were affecting decisions as well.

en.wikipedia.org

He also has a sequel, _Castles of Steel_ that covers the WW1 naval war. So you can see what happens to the stuff the UK and Germany spent all that money building.

184 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 10:15:57am

re: #183 Feline Fearless Leader

Robert Massie’s _Dreadnought_ also goes into the lead up to WW1. Concentrates on the naval side of things, but does also cover the series of crises and shifting alliances that were affecting decisions as well.

en.wikipedia.org

He also has a sequel, _Castles of Steel_ that covers the WW1 naval war. So you can see what happens to the stuff the UK and Germany spent all that money building.

I think those were both recommended to me here.

185 darthstar  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 10:16:30am

DERP

186 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 10:16:40am

re: #175 Dark_Falcon

re: #158 lawhawk

re: #149 HappyWarrior

This might have been one of Reagans best decisions. Let’s try to remember the Lebanese administration he was supporting essentially fell apart at the time. Congress was very happy to withdraw. Britain & France did the same. The unfortunate thing was that western military power was not actually going to help. I think that was correct.

eightiesclub.tripod.com

House Panel Defers Pullout Call
In the face of the deteriorating situation in Lebanon, the House Foreign Affairs Committee Feb. 6 decided to delay consideration of a Democratic resolution calling for a “prompt and orderly” withdrawal of U.S. forces from Beirut. The nonbinding resolution had been scheduled for a vote the next day….
Committee Chairman Dante B. Fascell (D, Fla.) said, “We want to be responsible. We don’t want to add to the danger the Marines are in.”
Other members said the recent turmoil only confirmed the urgency of getting the Marines out….

187 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 10:18:13am

re: #176 ProTARDISLiberal

Captain Jack? Or you’re not including him as a companion? Oops, saw that you qualified that for the 11th Doctor… Never mind…

188 CuriousLurker  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 10:18:24am

re: #130 Vicious Babushka

From the source page:

While visiting Scott Lively’s “Defend The Family” website this morning, we spotted a rather intriguing headline posted in the “Latest News” section reading “Claim: Obama was a ‘gay’ teen favored by older white sugar-daddies. […]

” … girls were never anything that he ever was interested in … He would get with these older white gay men … In other words, he was having sex with these older white guys … “

LAMO, umm… is it just me or does this stuff sound positively Freudian? It’s starting to seem like they’re jealous of FLOTUS and any other women he’s been with: “What he REALLY wants/needs is to have hot, sweaty, interracial gay sex with one of us old white guys!!11!”

189 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 10:18:32am

re: #181 Dark_Falcon

Cops can get trigger happy sometimes, and not all police are properly trained.

If the young man had just rammed your police vehicle it might be less surprising that the officer was a bit edgy.

190 Kragar  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 10:18:43am
191 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 10:21:16am

re: #188 CuriousLurker

[Embedded content]


From the source page:

LAMO, umm… is it just me or does this stuff sound positively Freudian? It’s starting to seem like they’re jealous of FLOTUS and any other women he’s been with: “What he REALLY wants/needs is to have hot, sweaty, interracial gay sex with one of us old white guys!!11!”

I am awaiting the day Scott Lively gets caught with a Muscovite rent boy accompanied by Bryan Fischer.

192 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 10:21:28am

re: #179 HappyWarrior

why is it most American hating rich people are fat and ugly, or completely void of brains?
Ooh like Rush Limbaugh. I don’t even like Mcihael Moore but if the best criticism of him you’ve got is OHMG HE’S FAT AND UGLY, then you’ve just failed kindergarten.

Actually, Moore wasn’t being his usual simplistic self in that video and seemed to honestly be trying to work out in his mind why mass shootings happen as often as they do here. I may not agree with whatever answer he ultimately comes up with, but he was honestly trying.

193 Lidane  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 10:23:40am
194 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 10:23:46am

re: #184 HappyWarrior

I think those were both recommended to me here.

I was one of the ones who made the recommendation. Castles of Steel is a great read. Fair warning: Massie strong takes Adm. Jellicoe’s side regarding the Battle of Jutland.

195 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 10:23:50am

re: #192 Dark_Falcon

Actually, Moore wasn’t being his usual simplistic self in that video and seemed to honestly be trying to work out in his mind why mass shootings happen as often as they do here. I may not agree with whatever answer he ultimately comes up with, but he was honestly trying.

Oh, I wasn’t commenting on what Moore was saying specifically. I am just saying if the best criticism this person has of Moore’s words is FAT UGLY then they’re idiots. I pay Moore no attention usually these days. I find him and his act way too self-righteous and it would be that way if he had actor good lucks and was in top physical shape.

196 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 10:26:08am

re: #195 HappyWarrior

Oh, I wasn’t commenting on what Moore was saying specifically. I am just saying if the best criticism this person has of Moore’s words is FAT UGLY then they’re idiots. I pay Moore no attention usually these days. I find him and his act way too self-righteous and it would be that way if he had actor good lucks and was in top physical shape.

I knew what you meant, but I wanted to say something that I’d been thinking. It wasn’t intended as a reflection on you.

197 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 10:27:02am

re: #194 Dark_Falcon

I was one of the ones who made the recommendation. Castles of Steel is a great read. Fair warning: Massie strong takes Adm. Jellicoe’s side regarding the Battle of Jutland.

Yes, you were. Good memory. Anyhow, I don’t know too much about WWI’s actual battles. I know more about the lead up and aftermath more than the actual war itself. It’s a fascinating subject though. What fascinates me as both a History BA and English minor is how people responded radically differently coming out of the war. Remarque comes out of it and writes the best anti-war novel I’ve ever read. Hitler well we all know what he did. And the numerous writers like Hemingway and countless others.

198 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 10:27:14am

re: #196 Dark_Falcon

I knew what you meant, but I wanted to say something that I’d been thinking. It wasn’t intended as a reflection on you.

Ah all good then.

199 CuriousLurker  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 10:29:50am

re: #167 HappyWarrior

Ooh there’s a film version? I’ll have to check that out myself. Of course, the standard is Barbara Taubman’s Guns of August. I believe that one was actually recommended to me here.

Yep, I saw it when I went over to Amazon to put the book on my list, so I immediately headed for YouTube to see if I could find it there, and voila!

Youtube Video

Youtube Video

200 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 10:31:28am

re: #199 CuriousLurker

Yep, I saw it when I went over to Amazon to put the book on my list, so I immediately headed for YouTube to see if I could find it there, and voila!

[Embedded content]

Cool. Definitely will watch this. I love historical documentaries.

201 CuriousLurker  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 10:32:09am

re: #200 HappyWarrior

Cool. Definitely will watch this. I love historical documentaries.

I love them too. You’re welcome. ;)

202 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 10:34:52am

re: #201 CuriousLurker

I love them too. You’re welcome. ;)

I really wish the history channel would actually show more. I remember when people bitched when it was the “Hitler Channel” but at least Hitler’s actually history and honestly I liked finding out about Hitler’s Long Island relations or seeing the translation of Eva Braun’s old home videos.

203 Amory Blaine  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 11:08:55am

re: #177 Vicious Babushka

Dylan Ratigan is talking to her.

204 Jolo5309  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 11:59:52am

re: #141 CuriousLurker

Thanks for the info. Ditto for the info earlier about Nazis—I tend to think of any member of the German military during that time as being one, but I guess that’s not really correct. I really need to learn more about WWI &WWII.

Gotta run. BBL

I just finished the Berlin-Baghdad Express, a book on building the railway and focuses on German plans to create a Holy War by manipulating Muslims into attacking British, French and Russian troops and territory.

Dan Carlin’s Hardcore History Episode 50 also talks about the causes of WWI, be warned, it is over 3 hours long.

205 Jolo5309  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 12:02:27pm

re: #183 Feline Fearless Leader

Robert Massie’s _Dreadnought_ also goes into the lead up to WW1. Concentrates on the naval side of things, but does also cover the series of crises and shifting alliances that were affecting decisions as well.

en.wikipedia.org

He also has a sequel, _Castles of Steel_ that covers the WW1 naval war. So you can see what happens to the stuff the UK and Germany spent all that money building.

Awesome books

206 missliberties  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 12:04:08pm

re: #3 Sol Berdinowitz

Still waiting for the insurance companies to apologize for all the folks they scammed into thinking they had insurance that went bankrupt and lost their homes and their credit ratings.


This article has been archived.
Comments are closed.

Jump to top

Create a PageThis is the LGF Pages posting bookmarklet. To use it, drag this button to your browser's bookmark bar, and title it 'LGF Pages' (or whatever you like). Then browse to a site you want to post, select some text on the page to use for a quote, click the bookmarklet, and the Pages posting window will appear with the title, text, and any embedded video or audio files already filled in, ready to go.
Or... you can just click this button to open the Pages posting window right away.
Last updated: 2023-04-04 11:11 am PDT LGF User's Guide RSS Feeds

Help support Little Green Footballs!

Subscribe now for ad-free access!Register and sign in to a free LGF account before subscribing, and your ad-free access will be automatically enabled.

Donate with
PayPal Cash.app
Recent PagesClick to refresh
The Good Liars at Miami Trump Rally [VIDEO] Jason and Davram talk with Trump supporters about art, Mike Lindell, who is really president and more! SUPPORT US: herohero.co SEE THE GOOD LIARS LIVE!LOS ANGELES, CA squadup.com SUBSCRIBE TO OUR AUDIO PODCAST:Apple Podcasts: podcasts.apple.comSpotify: open.spotify.comJoin this channel to ...
teleskiguy
3 weeks ago
Views: 736 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0