Hopenchange at the CIA

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It’s all about hope, and reaching out…

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – U.S. intelligence agencies should seek ways of working with Islamic leaders and countries such as Iran on issues of mutual interest, President Barack Obama’s choice for spy chief said on Thursday.

Retired Adm. Dennis Blair also urged a break with the Bush administration intelligence policies in a Senate confirmation hearing his nomination as director of national intelligence. This includes applying standards across the government for humane treatment of terrorism suspects.

“Identifying opportunities as well as threats is an extremely important balance for intelligence agencies to strike,” Blair said.

… and restoring America’s moral standing in the eyes of the world.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President Barack Obama’s choice for U.S. spy chief backed closing Guantanamo prison and said humane treatment standards for terrorism suspects must apply throughout the government, breaking with the Bush administration’s insistence on an exemption for the CIA.

“I agree with the president that the detention center at Guantanamo has become a damaging symbol to the world and that it must be closed,” retired Adm. Dennis Blair told a Senate hearing on his nomination as Director of National Intelligence.

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813 comments
1 VegasRick  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:54:14am

Was Hooper unavailable?
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2 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:54:22am

Holy sh*t.

3 tfc3rid  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:54:23am

Oh dear Lord... This naiivete will kill thousands of us...

Terrorists will never treat our people humanely, why should they deserve that 'respect'?

4 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:54:30am
“Identifying opportunities as well as threats is an extremely important balance for intelligence agencies to strike,” Blair said.

If Iran's not a threat, ten I doubt the new administration will see anything as a threat.

5 faraway  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:54:33am

Manhattan, do you feel safer now?

6 J.S.  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:54:34am

Guess the word "mole" is not part of the CIA vocabulary...

7 MarineGrunt  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:54:50am

Are we safe yet.

8 tfc3rid  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:55:12am

re: #5 faraway

Manhattan, do you feel safer now?

So I guess I have to ask myself how close will the nuke be to my office...

9 tfc3rid  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:55:23am

re: #7 MarineGrunt

Are we safe yet.

No, but the World loves us!

10 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:55:29am
11 kansas  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:55:33am

Day Two. Close Gitmo let the terrorists out, stop offshore drilling, fuck us on gas prices. Dow headed down. Can we survive? I don't think so.

12 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:55:39am
“I agree with the president that the detention center at Guantanamo has become a damaging symbol to the world and that it must be closed,” retired Adm. Dennis Blair told a Senate hearing on his nomination as Director of National Intelligence.

I suppose bringing down 4 aircraft and killing 3000 innocent Americans wasn't so damaging to the Muslim world because now we have to...

seek ways of working with Islamic leaders and countries such as Iran on issues of mutual interest.

Unbelievable!

13 MJ  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:55:40am

The Blair Witch Project has begun whereby the main concern of the CIA is the humane treatment of terrorists.

14 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:55:48am

What part of "Death to America" sounds like an opportunity to these people?!

15 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:55:54am
16 tfc3rid  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:56:08am

Everybody happy that John McCain was the laternative to this?

17 Sir Lurksalot  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:56:14am

becoming part of the ummah is the best way of "reaching out"

why take half measures?

18 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:56:14am

re: #10 buzzsawmonkey

Intelligence agencies working with Iran on things "of mutual interest?"

Does that mean that the CIA will share its intel on Israel with Iran?

Omigawd - don't even think of that!
They couldn't - could they?

19 smokefire  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:56:21am

re: #3 tfc3rid

...............because if we are nice to them, the rest of the world will like us.

sarc

20 tfc3rid  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:56:32am

re: #14 Sharmuta

What part of "Death to America" sounds like an opportunity to these people?!

Just words, just speeches....

21 DistantThunder  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:56:34am

WIMPS - APPEASERS - THROWING Americans UNDER THE BUS

And that includes my children and that makes me mad.

22 tfc3rid  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:56:57am

re: #18 yma o hyd

Omigawd - don't even think of that!
They couldn't - could they?

AIn the spirit of fairness, it sure is...

23 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:57:00am

I really can't believe how incredibly naive this is? This shit scares me. I can't even think of anything humorous to say.

24 faraway  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:57:31am

re: #18 yma o hyd

Omigawd - don't even think of that!
They couldn't - could they?

It's called transparency and openness

25 tfc3rid  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:57:36am

Call the White House switchboard and overwhelm them! Maybe Betty Currie is back at her old job!

26 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:57:42am
27 tfc3rid  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:58:07am

re: #23 Nevergiveup

I really can't believe how incredibly naive this is? This shit scares me. I can't even think of anything humorous to say.

I keep wishing that I'll wake up from this nightmare...

Everything I thought he would do is coming to light...

28 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:58:20am

re: #14 Sharmuta

What part of "Death to America" sounds like an opportunity to these people?!

To answer your question, we've brought in Mr. William Ayers.

29 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:58:27am

All those here who've spoken down from their mighty and lofty perches to tell us to give him a chance should be eating a ton of crow by now. I hope they choke on it.

30 Ben Hur  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:58:29am

I think he should apoint someone that was involved in the Darfur Genocide as his Muslim reach-out head.

31 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:58:32am

All the far left wacky crap he uttered in the pre-election and had to "explain" and had to be "explained away by the MSM" is all coming true. Way to go America. I hope your getting an idea now what you really elected?

32 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:58:36am

re: #22 tfc3rid

AIn the spirit of fairness, it sure is...

I hope that Mossad will be well aware of this Hopenchange, and act accordingly.

33 tfc3rid  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:58:39am

re: #26 buzzsawmonkey

Nothing would surprise me at this point. And the CIA has already proved itself a hotbed of liberals eager to undermine George Bush, so why on earth would it object?

Let's not forget State as well....

BTW, has Obama fired any of the US Attorneys?

34 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:58:55am

I can't wait until SecState Clinton has her first big diplomatic victory. Then two days later, when the Arab country knifes her in the back, I want to see the look on her face.

35 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:59:00am

'Don't Tread on Me!' has just been changed to 'Kick Me!'

CHANGE that will kill you. Yes, they can.

36 faraway  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:59:04am

From another site:

I am going to have to come to terms with the fact that each and every day this man is in control is going to bring some sort of shocking revelation.

37 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:59:07am

/Ah...peace in our time.

38 smokefire  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:59:09am

Image: 800px-Flag_of_the_United_States_(upside_down).svg.png


Anyone else agree with this?

39 DistantThunder  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:59:26am

I'd like to move to Dallas to be as close to George Bush and his circle of security as possible, because I certainly do not and will not feel safe out here.

40 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:59:27am

re: #32 yma o hyd

I hope that Mossad will be well aware of this Hopenchange, and act accordingly.

I hope the mossad is carefully filtering what it tells the CIA from here on in.

41 doppelganglander  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:59:33am

The Obama administration is like a black hole of stupidity. It is so powerfully stupid that no light at all can escape.

42 Guanxi88  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:59:34am

SO, are we calling him Hopenchange now? Cause, to me, that sounds an awful lot like Poppin Fresh.

43 MJ  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:59:36am

re: #10 buzzsawmonkey

Intelligence agencies working with Iran on things "of mutual interest?"

Does that mean that the CIA will share its intel on Israel with Iran?

There will be a story a month for the next 4 years leaking out of the CIA and splashed across the front-pages of the NYT and WaPo whose theme will be that Israel is spying on the US and that American Jews are more loyal to Israel than the US.

44 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:59:37am

Since the CIA does not enjoy my confidence, I'm not at all sure it matters who runs that circus.

45 Ben Hur  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:59:46am

Murdering 3000 Americans increases our moral standing in the world, apparently.

46 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:59:57am

The US military is both the shield and the spear. The CIA, NSA, NRO, and the other intel agencies are the eyes and ears. If you cover their eyes and stick fingers in their ears, how will we know what's out there and where to protect?

This is asinine and dangerous. Touchy feely crap that may make lefties feel better that they've changed things, but god help them should terrorists strike, because they will have no one to blame but Obama for gutting the very policies that kept us safe for the past seven years.

Gitmo is a symbol to the left that must be closed. Never mind that no one has a clue what to do with those inside. If the left had its way, they'd be released without any hesitation and sent on their merry way. Never mind that these jihadis were captured on battlefields around the world. Never mind that some of those released have gone back to the jihad.

Here's a memo to the left: if you want to feel better, have an ice cream cone. Gitmo isn't what's wrong with the country or why the "world" dislikes the US. It's lefties who think that Gitmo is worse than the terrorists who inhabit the place.

47 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:00:17am

Mandy Manners is right-those who didn't vote for McCain, get ready for four more years of this-some of the damage will be irreparable.

48 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:00:40am

We are so fucked.

49 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:00:47am

re: #39 DistantThunder

I'd like to move to Dallas to be as close to George Bush and his circle of security as possible, because I certainly do not and will not feel safe out here.

I'm with ya but I'm going to take the other approach. I am thinking of moving next to a Military Base with Nukes on it so I will be near ground zero.

50 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:00:54am

re: #45 Ben Hur

In certain parts of the world-yes, it does.

51 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:00:57am

re: #24 faraway

It's called transparency and openness

Heh.
I call it stupidity beyond cure.

Its so scary, it makes me sick - especially when I recall that our Gord hearts B0 - and will certainly share all MI5 info with him.

I'm feeling sick ...

52 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:00:59am
53 tfc3rid  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:01:01am

re: #45 Ben Hur

Murdering 3000 Americans increases our moral standing in the world, apparently.

Well, the World sure loved us on 9/11... Maybe another, worse 9/11 will bring everyone together... /sad sarc

God help us all... I don't wish this insanity upon us at all....

54 Ben Hur  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:01:02am

re: #48 Honorary Yooper

We are so fucked.

Quick, no?

55 smokefire  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:01:06am

re: #40 Nevergiveup

I hope the mossad is carefully filtering what it tells the CIA from here on in.

I'm guessing Mossad will is going to become a lot like the Mafia.

OMERTA. Say nothing.

56 tradewind  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:01:16am
...that the detention center at Guantanamo has become a damaging symbol to the world and that it must be closed..


Oh, for sure. Much better that we close it and the animals go back to damaging major symbols of the free world.

57 DeafDog  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:01:17am

Those who do not know history, are doomed to repeat it. We've been down this road before......

58 Tumulus11  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:01:20am

'While the United States must hunt down those terrorists who are seeking to do us harm ....'

. Adm. Blair seems to be implying that some terrorists mean us no harm.

59 vapig  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:01:47am

This is going to be ghastly!

60 beens21  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:01:50am

the attitude is:"If we can get all the foreign Marxists,socialists, academics and Islamists to like us, we're cool". The Eastern Europeans must be dumfounded.

61 Gella  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:01:54am

re: #45 Ben Hur

Murdering 3000 Americans increases our moral standing in the world, apparently.

they probably calculated % of ppl who got murdered out of all population and decided Gitmo got to go, they spend too much money for on that, they have to stop watching Heroes
being sarcastic here

62 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:02:02am

re: #47 WriterMom

Mandy Manners is right-those who didn't vote for McCain, get ready for four more years of this-some of the damage will be irreparable.

Yes. Every so often, America seems to elect a Jimmy Carter-type. Mad Cow? Maybe.

63 Kragar  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:02:12am

Humane treatment on non-uniformed enemy combatants should extend to offering them a blindfold and thats the end of it.

64 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:02:19am
West Virginia Democratic Sen. Jay Rockefeller, the intelligence committee's former chairman, told the hearing, "We have an opportunity to make a very sharp turn toward new intelligence policies."

9/11 was a sharp turn. And we'll be in a knifefight to the death with a spatula if everything Bush fought for to protect us is dismantled by idiots like this.

65 faraway  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:02:27am

I can't wait to find out what scared Joe Biden.

66 tfc3rid  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:02:28am

If one member of my family is harmed because of an attack resuting from lax policies, I will sue the Federal Government for Billions.

67 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:02:53am

re: #54 Ben Hur

Quick, no?

It sure as hell didn't take long for Obama to start the process. What's next? Talks with Iran on Monday?

68 Opinionated  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:02:57am
Retired Adm. Dennis Blair also urged a break with the Bush administration intelligence policies

Yeah. Absolutely.

Where everyone was certain there would be follow through terrorist attacks in the US post 9/11, and there were not, lets gut what worked.

Idiots.

69 Gella  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:03:01am

re: #65 faraway

I can't wait to find out what scared Joe Biden.


his own shadow

70 Amer-I-Can  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:03:02am

Obviously, the idea that it is safer to be feared than liked is out the window. By the time PBO is done giving away the farm, we will be back to the "summer of love". How ignorant is that?

Personally, I'm buying up ammo while I still can and starting the bunker in the basement... I have the feeling they may both come in handy over the next four years.

71 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:03:06am

On Iran, he said, "While policymakers need to understand anti-American leaders, policies and actions in Iran, the intelligence community can also help policymakers identify and understand other leaders and political forces, so that it is possible to work toward a future in both our interests."

These people are fucking clueless. What the policy makers need to understand is Iran wants to destroy America and her allies. What's left to understand after that?

72 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:03:13am

re: #62 Golem Akbar

Yes. Every so often, America seems to elect a Jimmy Carter-type. Mad Cow? Maybe.

Carter gave us Reagan. I can only hope that out of this morass of idiocy comes someone like Reagan who can right the ship and get us back on the right track.

73 Mike in Georgia  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:03:15am

I really don't give a rat fart what the rest of the world thinks.

74 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:03:15am

re: #26 buzzsawmonkey

Nothing would surprise me at this point. And the CIA has already proved itself a hotbed of liberals eager to undermine George Bush, so why on earth would it object?

Well - the one positive point is that its out in the open now, not being done behind closed doors, two-faced vis-a-vis israel.

As I said above - Mossad and the new Israeli Government will hopefully know how to act.
I hope.

75 smokefire  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:03:26am

re: #62 Golem Akbar

Yes. Every so often, America seems to elect a Jimmy Carter-type. Mad Cow? Maybe.

this is going to make Jimmy Carter look like a sunday outing. Whoever said it up thread is right.

WE ARE SO FUCKED

76 tfc3rid  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:03:26am

re: #67 Honorary Yooper

It sure as hell didn't take long for Obama to start the process. What's next? Talks with Iran on Monday?

Eliminate the USA Patriot Act by next Friday.

77 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:03:35am

re: #52 buzzsawmonkey

Most of this--to the extent it is covered at all--is being spun in the media as A Good Thing, because it is a Break from the Evil Legacy of George Bush.

And to the extent people even bother to read about it, they will nod and say, "Yes, this is good, because it will make the world love us again."

Seriously.

In other words, no--they don't have an idea of what they really elected, and probably will not wake up, if they in fact do, until significant damage has been done.

Yeah I Know. I was just talking to myself. I think that is the first sign of insanity?

78 CIA Reject  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:03:47am
"President Barack Obama’s choice for U.S. spy chief backed closing Guantanamo prison and said humane treatment standards for terrorism suspects must apply throughout the government, breaking with the Bush administration’s insistence on an exemption for the CIA.

That loud crunching sound you hear is Langley imploding as everybody rushes for the exit.

This will be very bad...

79 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:03:48am

re: #65 faraway

I can't wait to find out what scared Joe Biden.

Remember, he said we'd be tested. He didn't say why, but maybe he knew the new Administration's policies would bring something on. Oh hell, he's too stupid to be that inciteful.

80 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:03:56am

re: #54 Ben Hur

A 'quickie'.

81 filetandrelease  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:04:00am

re: #29 MandyManners

All those here who've spoken down from their mighty and lofty perches to tell us to give him a chance should be eating a ton of crow by now. I hope they choke on it.

That left a mark.

(although I only spoke for myself and not on a perch, I hope, err change)

82 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:04:04am

re: #66 tfc3rid

If one member of my family is harmed because of an attack resuting from lax policies, I will sue the Federal Government for Billions.

You'll win, they just print the money. It will be worthless anyway once the inflation monster schwacks us.

83 WriterMom  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:04:19am

How long do you think Iran is going to wait before testing President BHO?

84 J.S.  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:04:27am

re: #31 Nevergiveup

In a word, "no." From what I'm seeing, many Americans are in utter "la-la-land". Reality has yet to hit them.

85 tradewind  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:04:32am

re: #60 beens21


The Eastern Olde Eurospeans must be dumbfounded..


There. Fixed.

86 Dianna  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:04:35am

Great. It's amateur hour. It's patients running the asylum.

I'm going to type 1099s. It will keep me from wanting to scream.

87 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:04:46am

re: #72 Jetpilot1101

Carter gave us Reagan. I can only hope that out of this morass of idiocy comes someone like Reagan who can right the ship and get us back on the right track.


let's keep our eyes peeled (or whatever) and find him/her. ASAP.

88 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:04:48am

re: #60 beens21

the attitude is:"If we can get all the foreign Marxists,socialists, academics and Islamists to like us, we're cool". The Eastern Europeans must be dumfounded.

And looking over there shoulders toward mother Russia?

89 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:04:57am

re: #40 Nevergiveup

I hope the mossad is carefully filtering what it tells the CIA from here on in.

That, too.

To be sure - our MI5 won't - they'll share anything ...

90 tradewind  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:05:05am

re: #65 faraway

Dr Jill in sixties go-go boots.

91 tfc3rid  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:05:12am

re: #72 Jetpilot1101

Carter gave us Reagan. I can only hope that out of this morass of idiocy comes someone like Reagan who can right the ship and get us back on the right track.

Will be impossible once shamesty passes. All those new voters will be beholden to the Dems.

92 Gella  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:05:13am

Have you met the French, Mr. Obama?
[Link: drezner.foreignpolicy.com...]

93 smokefire  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:05:17am

re: #83 WriterMom

How long do you think Iran is going to wait before testing President BHO?

Why will they have to test us?
We will implode on our own.

94 Kragar  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:05:31am

re: #67 Honorary Yooper

It sure as hell didn't take long for Obama to start the process. What's next? Talks with Iran on Monday?

The US Military scares people and sends the wrong message. It will be disbanded and sent home and the money spent on more government bailouts.

95 seekeroftruth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:05:31am

President Bush kept us safe for 7 years after 9/11. Obama is changing our terrorism prevention policies. Obama now owns the blame for the next terror attack on our country.

96 Eowyn2  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:05:35am

I couldnt get past the first couple of sentences.

God keep and protect us
Nobody else is going to.

97 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:05:35am

re: #46 lawhawk

The US military is both the shield and the spear. The CIA, NSA, NRO, and the other intel agencies are the eyes and ears. If you cover their eyes and stick fingers in their ears, how will we know what's out there and where to protect?

Isn't the CIA's primary function to gather intelligence on US enemies outside the USA, and not to act as an international social agency?

98 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:05:48am

Those who cannot learn from (yesterdays) history are doomed to repeat it.

99 faraway  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:05:52am

re: #83 WriterMom

How long do you think Iran is going to wait before testing President BHO?

They may not need to test Hussein. He may give them more than they ever dreamed of.

100 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:05:53am

re: #53 tfc3rid

Well, the World sure loved us on 9/11... Maybe another, worse 9/11 will bring everyone together... /sad sarc

God help us all... I don't wish this insanity upon us at all....

Yeah ,, they REALLY loved us after 9/11, so much so there was sorrow in the streets !
Image: palestinians-after-9-11.JPG

101 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:06:02am

re: #13 MJ

The Blair Witch Project has begun whereby the main concern of the CIA is the humane treatment of terrorists.

Perhaps that CIA could simply merge with and into this CIA, and thus ensure that terrorists always have delicious, varied food to eat.

102 Earick  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:06:03am

Well now, isn't that sweet!
Can't wait to watch the trials on Court TV.

Secrets! Secrets! We don't need no stink'en secrets!

103 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:06:03am

re: #83 WriterMom

How long do you think Iran is going to wait before testing President BHO?

Why test him, he is giving away the shop all by himself?

104 Golem Akbar  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:06:08am

re: #83 WriterMom

How long do you think Iran is going to wait before testing President BHO?


I'd guess that as soon as Gitmo closes and Homeland Security is dismantled, we'll find out. Phase I is on it's way.

105 Dianna  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:06:08am

re: #83 WriterMom

How long do you think Iran is going to wait before testing President BHO?

Ten minutes? Less?

106 maddogg  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:06:10am

Personally, I think the CIA is already hopelessly infected with moonbats, so I expect little change in their attitude or their effectiveness.

107 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:06:17am

re: #83 WriterMom

How long do you think Iran is going to wait before testing President BHO?

I'd give it a month or two, tops. AQ may not wait even that long.

108 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:06:19am

Memo : Casual day at the CIA has been extended indefinitely.

109 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:06:39am

re: #83 WriterMom

How long do you think Iran is going to wait before testing President BHO?

whit time is it in Tehran !?

110 Opinionated  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:06:47am

We have a big disagreement with Iran and if we talk to them maybe we can find mutual interest.

Iran wants to destroy Israel today.

Obama want to force Israel to slower suicide.

Maybe we can find a middle way mutually acceptable to both sides.

Faster suicide by Israel.

111 Render  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:06:54am

re: #40 Nevergiveup

I would tend to think they already are, and always have.

I
WOULD,
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112 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:06:57am

re: #23 Nevergiveup

I really can't believe how incredibly naive this is? This shit scares me. I can't even think of anything humorous to say.

Maybe because it's not a humorous topic.

113 faraway  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:07:16am

Hillary is the only thing holding the country from ruin.

/scary, huh?

114 Dianna  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:07:16am

re: #88 Nevergiveup

And looking over there shoulders toward mother Russia?

If they've the sense of self-preservation granted an ant colony, they're sending their kids to Australia.

115 Amer-I-Can  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:07:28am

re: #38 smokefire

[Link: upload.wikimedia.org...]

Anyone else agree with this?

BIG EMERGENCY!

116 Guanxi88  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:07:29am

re: #76 tfc3rid

Eliminate the USA Patriot Act by next Friday.

Fixed it for ya.

117 Sizzlack  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:07:43am

How does he want to "restore" our "moral standing" in the world in the eyes of Muslims when they have no morality to begin with? How do you align your "moral standing" with countries that stone people, hang people from cranes and behead people in public?

Oh of course, Appeaser in Chief.

118 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:07:48am

re: #36 faraway

From another site:

I am going to have to come to terms with the fact that each and every day this man is in control is going to bring some sort of shocking revelation.

I'd suggest starting to drink now but, we're gonna' need our wits about us.

119 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:07:57am

re: #107 Honorary Yooper

Vice President Gaffmeister promised within 6 months.

120 smokefire  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:08:03am

The US Military scares people and sends the wrong message. It will be disbanded and sent home and the money spent on more government bailouts.

Can't you see the looks on all of the European's faces, when all the troops head home?
They will be shitting their pants.

......................oh dear who is going to protect us now?

Be careful what you wish for.Europe

121 Pyrocles  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:08:07am

Maybe the CIA will make it easier for Iran to smuggle IEDs into Iraq? Drop those pesky border inspections.

re: #10 buzzsawmonkey

Intelligence agencies working with Iran on things "of mutual interest?"

Does that mean that the CIA will share its intel on Israel with Iran?

122 Kragar  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:08:10am

re: #83 WriterMom

How long do you think Iran is going to wait before testing President BHO?

Wait? Its already said it will be rearming Hamas. Barry hasn't said peep yet.

123 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:08:15am

Remember here that the left in both the US and UK jumped up and down with false charges that the administrations of Bush and Blair attempted to politicize the intelligence process. It was a lie. Here we have the incoming boss of Obama's CIA announcing what policy conclusions they want the analysts to support before they begin. We are now flying blind and the only question is will this result in only hundreds of deaths or thousands or even millions?

124 Age Of Freedom  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:08:26am

One thing we learn from history (namely WW2), is that we don't learn anything from it.

Thanks a lot, Liberals.

125 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:08:27am

re: #4 Sharmuta

If Iran's not a threat, ten I doubt the new administration will see anything as a threat.

Anything or anyone that has even less than worshipful acceptance of everything O thinks or does is a threat and must be purged with extreme prejudice, but only domestically and then only if the FMSM acknowledges the existence.

126 Eowyn2  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:08:39am

re: #83 WriterMom

How long do you think Iran is going to wait before testing President BHO?

Presidents Day as well as Valentines day are next month but I'm thinking more into the Memorial Day weekend.

127 tfc3rid  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:08:44am

re: #119 Sharmuta

Vice President Gaffmeister promised within 6 months.

Or Vice President Robinette... Alternative name...

128 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:08:49am

re: #114 Dianna

If they've the sense of self-preservation granted an ant colony, they're sending their kids to Australia.

That's a good one.

129 jwb7605  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:08:54am

re: #107 Honorary Yooper

I'd give it a month or two, tops. AQ may not wait even that long.

I agree with the Iran estimate.
Disagree with the AQ guess. They'll wait until the CIA is observably dismantled.
In the meantime, Iran will be testing us more than once.

130 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:09:25am

re: #119 Sharmuta

Vice President Gaffmeister promised within 6 months.

I don't even see it being that long.

131 Amer-I-Can  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:09:26am

re: #83 WriterMom

How long do you think Iran is going to wait before testing President BHO?

Probably Next Week.... Keep an eye on Iraq

132 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:09:41am

re: #95 seekeroftruth

President Bush kept us safe for 7 years after 9/11. Obama is changing our terrorism prevention policies. Obama now owns the blame for the next terror attack on our country.

True Believers still KNOW GWB is the root of all evil, now and forever.

133 smokefire  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:09:49am

re: #115 Amer-I-Can

Did not want to post that, but we are in a world of shit right now, and it's getting worse already.

134 tfc3rid  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:10:09am

I am wondering if they really and truly believe the meme that the more we press against the terrorists, the more they hate us...

If we treat them kindly, they will stop...

They really do believe that the WOT is just a bumper sticker...

135 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:10:11am

re: #133 smokefire

Did not want to post that, but we are in a world of shit right now, and it's getting worse already.

Wait until the economy really tanks.

136 faraway  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:10:17am

Iran is just a proxy for Russia. Russia will move and move soon.

137 dachew  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:10:28am

Interesting:
“I agree with the president that the detention center at Guantanamo has become a damaging symbol to the world and that it must be closed,”

So, we're closing Guantanamo because it's a damaging symbol, not because it was inneffective at containing terrorists and extracting information that saved American lives from them. Way to put the country first guys!

138 tradewind  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:10:29am

Now I undestand why this guy was all over MSNBC and CNN commentating during the past four years.
Training wheels.

139 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:10:32am

Blair: Army interrogation manual to apply to CIA

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama's pick to be the top intelligence officer says the Army Field Manual that outlines legal interrogation techniques will govern CIA questioning.

Retired Adm. Dennis Blair told the Senate Intelligence Committee Thursday that the military field manual also will be reviewed for possible changes. The manual outlines 19 legal techniques and forbids nine.

Blair said it won't called the Army Field Manual. He said it will be called "the manual for government interrogations."

He said there needs to be a single uniform standard for the treatment of detainees. Under the Bush administration, the CIA was allowed to conduct harsh interrogations that went well beyond the military methods.

140 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:10:33am

re: #88 Nevergiveup

And looking over there shoulders toward mother Russia?

Omigawd - back to the future, indeed!
Tsar Putin rules ... and I bet the PB0 administration will be bending over backwards to 'understand' him as well ...

141 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:10:38am

re: #83 WriterMom

How long do you think Iran is going to wait before testing President BHO?

They may not have to test him. He seems to be willing to preemptively roll over.

142 kynna  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:10:44am

*packs bags and heads for hills*

143 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:10:46am

He's a fucking idiot.

144 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:10:54am
"Obviously closing the facility raises a host of problems," Bond said.

No shit, Sherlock.

145 vxbush  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:11:22am

Lizards, can we make a promise now that if America is attacked and any of us are near the location that we will do everything in our power to help those hurt? We are spread throughout the country (and some of you lizards are already in front-line positions like firemen, policemen, etc.) and surely we can use the group here as a network in case of trouble. Because it seems certain that it will come.

146 Sizzlack  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:11:31am

re: #137 dachew

Closing Gitmo is the Big O's first PR move. Doubtful he's even considered where to put those there.

147 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:11:32am

re: #83 WriterMom

How long do you think Iran is going to wait before testing President BHO?

They probably started planning on Nov. 5.

148 samsgran1948  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:11:43am

We are so fucked.....

149 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:11:47am

re: #143 realwest

He's a fucking idiot.

We knew that before he was elected. We tried to warn people. I feel like Cassandra.

150 smokefire  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:11:48am

re: #140 yma o hyd

Beware of Gog and Magog.

151 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:11:53am

re: #81 filetandrelease

That left a mark.

(although I only spoke for myself and not on a perch, I hope, err change)

There's one in particular I have in mind.

152 Ron Shaw  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:11:57am

With the One's rule things are getting worse day by day despite the fact some still think it can't and I'm more than confident we haven't seen anything yet!

153 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:12:00am

re: #141 Occasional Reader
Nope, they'll test him, both because of their own egos and to make sure he really is the patsy he appears to be.

154 pat  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:12:06am

What an ignorant slut.

155 faraway  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:12:12am

re: #88 Nevergiveup

And looking over there shoulders toward mother Russia?

The tanks are full of diesel and are waiting for Spring.

156 kynna  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:12:15am

re: #141 Occasional Reader

They may not have to test him. He seems to be willing to preemptively roll over.

It's the only kind of preemption acceptable to the Obamabots.

157 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:12:29am

re: #3 tfc3rid

Oh dear Lord... This naiivete will kill thousands of us...

Terrorists will never treat our people humanely, why should they deserve that 'respect'?

Because Obamaco is out to destroy the USA. There's your Hopenchange.

158 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:12:48am

re: #144 Sharmuta

No shit, Sherlock.

Now that these dogs have caught the car they've been barking at, I wonder what they think they're going to do with it.

159 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:12:56am

re: #119 Sharmuta

Vice President Gaffmeister promised within 6 months.

And do remember he stated that the response would be perceived as totally wrong. The only way it would be seen that way is the fact that it IS wrong. And this "realignment of policy" is the beginning of the implementation of how it will be wrong.

160 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:12:57am

re: #143 realwest

He's a fucking idiot.

Since Obama took office, I have gotten confused. Which Fucking idiot are you referring to?

161 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:12:58am

re: #149 Honorary Yooper
Well I was speaking about Blair, but yes, those sentiments apply to Obama too.

162 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:13:10am

What "mutual interest" with Iran? Does the 0bama administration also want to "wipe Israel off the map"?
/I wouldn't put it past them.

163 faraway  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:13:20am

Hussein may change our "stained" flag. Solid white.

164 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:13:22am

re: #145 vxbush

Lizards, can we make a promise now that if America is attacked and any of us are near the location that we will do everything in our power to help those hurt? We are spread throughout the country (and some of you lizards are already in front-line positions like firemen, policemen, etc.) and surely we can use the group here as a network in case of trouble. Because it seems certain that it will come.

I promise.

I also promise not to forget or forgive the direct line that will doubtless connect these asinine decisions with that future attack.

165 J Doc  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:13:27am

Pot meet kettle. Blair is the same guy who when he was the Commander of PACOM was accused of turning a blind eye to the humanitarian abuses of the Indonesian military (torture) because he felt engagement was more important than correcting it. His position is one I am generally in favor of, but it is a little ingenuous of him to have seemingly changed his position just to fit into the Obama cabal.

app.mfa.gov.sg...]>Blair>

166 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:13:30am

re: #160 Nevergiveup
See my #161.

167 MJ  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:13:33am

From Blair's statement:

While the United States must hunt down those terrorists who are seeking to do us harm, the Intelligence Community also needs to support policymakers who are looking for opportunities to engage and work with Arab and Muslim leaders who are striving for a progressive and peaceful future for their religion and their countries;

Quick, name three.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

168 J.S.  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:13:35am

re: #46 lawhawk

What the media here in Canada does is constantly display the picture of Omar Khadr when he was 15 years old -- when he was first captured. I consider that what the MSM does (routinely) is present Omar as the "innocent" kid tortured by the evil, ruthless Amerikkkans. That's how the media presents it -- the 15 year old -- yet, in reality, from actual courtroom sketches -- he's in his twenties now, 6 years have elapsed, and he has grown a beard, etc., and hardly looks the way he did when he was 15. Yet, this ruse of the "young kid" held at Gitmo is perpetuated and repeated by the media. (i really, really despise the CBC, etc. -- nothing but pro-terrorist propaganda lies.)

169 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:13:45am

Our new flag will be 57 white stars on a white field with 13 white and white stripes.

170 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:13:46am

From the "news" report,

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President Barack Obama’s choice for U.S. spy chief backed closing Guantanamo prison and said humane treatment standards for terrorism suspects must apply throughout the government, breaking with the Bush administration’s insistence on an exemption for the CIA.

So how is this Obama directive different?

The executive order says everyone in custody should be questioned under the Army Field Manual, which is intended for honorable combatants, meaning POWs in a military conflict. The rule would prevent trained interrogators at the CIA from using lawful interrogation techniques against terrorists who have been trained to withstand Army Field Manual techniques.

Is that wise? Maybe the CIA needs some extra tools?

While the administration has insisted on one interrogation standard, one source says they are thinking about assembling a group within the next 60 days to make recommendations on a set of separate techniques for the intelligence community to use.

White House counsel Greg Craig acknowledged late Wednesday that the administration will have to establish a panel to make recommendations to address intelligence community concerns.

Oh! So Obama is going to make an exception for the CIA to use some "enhanced interrogation methods". Which is what Bush did.

Hopenchange is another word for hypocritical bullshit.

171 jwb7605  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:13:47am

re: #145 vxbush

Lizards, can we make a promise now that if America is attacked and any of us are near the location that we will do everything in our power to help those hurt? We are spread throughout the country (and some of you lizards are already in front-line positions like firemen, policemen, etc.) and surely we can use the group here as a network in case of trouble. Because it seems certain that it will come.

If you need me to promise to help those hurt, you apparently didn't think me much of a worthwhile citizen to begin with.

I always thought the duty/privilege was implied.

172 DistantThunder  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:13:54am

re: #155 faraway

The tanks are full of diesel and are waiting for Spring.

Saw a story today that Russia just sold a major defense system to Iran

173 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:14:14am

re: #120 smokefire

I reckon its less Europe PB0 wants to appease than the Ummah.

He did say that, were it to come to crunch-time, he'd side with the Muslims, somewhere during his election campaign, iirc ...

174 faraway  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:14:14am

re: #158 unreconstructed rebel

Now that these dogs have caught the car they've been barking at, I wonder what they think they're going to do with it.

I had a Chihuahua that found out. He didn't feel safer either.

175 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:14:34am

re: #137 dachew

Interesting:
“I agree with the president that the detention center at Guantanamo has become a damaging symbol to the world and that it must be closed,”

So, we're closing Guantanamo because it's a damaging symbol, not because it was inneffective at containing terrorists and extracting information that saved American lives from them. Way to put the country first guys!

Symbols are the only thing that matter to Leftoids and Progressives. Actual facts are irritants annoyances to be ignored.

176 Sharmuta  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:14:39am

re: #158 unreconstructed rebel

Now that these dogs have caught the car they've been barking at, I wonder what they think they're going to do with it.

I think these dogs are too busy sniffing each others butts, licking their privates and chasing their own tail to think about what they'll do next. Is that a ball? Hey! Is that a ball?

177 smokefire  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:14:46am

re: #169 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Our new flag will be 57 white stars on a white field with 13 white and white stripes.

more like this.
Image: 800px-Flag_of_the_United_States_(upside_down).svg.png

178 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:14:49am

re: #165 J Doc

but it is a little disingenuous of him to

I think that's what you meant.

Excellent post.

179 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:14:53am

re: #145 vxbush

Lizards, can we make a promise now that if America is attacked and any of us are near the location that we will do everything in our power to help those hurt? We are spread throughout the country (and some of you lizards are already in front-line positions like firemen, policemen, etc.) and surely we can use the group here as a network in case of trouble. Because it seems certain that it will come.

Wonderful thought, but, we need expect communication lines (as this) will be down.

180 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:15:08am

re: #162 Kosh's Shadow
Exactly what I was thinking. What fucking mutual interests do we have with Iran? Can anyone here name ONE?

181 samsgran1948  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:15:08am

re: #48 Honorary Yooper

Sorry -- didn't realize you'd already made that particular observation.

182 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:15:09am

re: #174 faraway

I had a Chihuahua that found out. He didn't feel safer either.

The imagery!

183 tradewind  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:15:12am

Okay, they won't actually have to change the initials. It's still CIA.
Critical
Intelligence
Absent

184 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:15:13am

and restoring America’s moral standing = the pussification of the USA

185 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:15:31am

re: #163 faraway

Hussein may change our "stained" flag. Solid white.

Racist!

186 vxbush  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:15:49am

re: #171 jwb7605

If you need me to promise to help those hurt, you apparently didn't think me much of a worthwhile citizen to begin with.

I always thought the duty/privilege was implied.

I mean no disrespect. But I'm trying to get us to move beyond just raging against Obama (which is well deserved) but to move us into preparation. We need to prepare for when we will be hit.

187 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:15:54am
188 tfc3rid  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:15:56am

re: #184 Who Watches the Watchmen?

and restoring America’s moral standing = the pussification of the USA

The Emasculation of the USA...

189 Pamela  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:16:04am

I don't mind closing Gitmo as long as they all end up in Egyptian jails, then they will know torture.

As bad as things are in USA I still want to come home, things are not fun in Scandinavia!

190 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:16:09am

re: #162 Kosh's Shadow

What "mutual interest" with Iran? Does the 0bama administration also want to "wipe Israel off the map"?
/I wouldn't put it past them.

They continually chant "Death to Israel" and "Death to America", so the mutual interest might be the twofer of destroy us both.

191 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:16:12am

re: #172 DistantThunder
Again? How is Iran going to pay for them?

192 MJ  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:16:25am

More from his text:

- While policymakers need to understand anti-American leaders, policies and actions in Iran, the Intelligence Community can also help policymakers identify and understand other leaders and political forces, so that it is possible to work toward a future in both our interests;

The return of the "hardliners" and "pragmatists" in Iran.

Bullshit.

193 Ben Hur  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:16:39am

C'mon, the CIA and KGB used to have annual golf outings.

194 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:16:45am

re: #186 vxbush

I mean no disrespect. But I'm trying to get us to move beyond just raging against Obama (which is well deserved) but to move us into preparation. We need to prepare for when we will be hit.

Helping people? No way, that's the government's job. I'll just be sitting tight awaiting my bailout.

/

195 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:17:01am
196 J Doc  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:17:20am

re: #169 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Pink Stripes

197 smokefire  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:17:20am

re: #186 vxbush

...............I'm on the frontlines. [first responder-firefighter]
More than ready.

198 Gella  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:17:25am

re: #193 Ben Hur

C'mon, the CIA and KGB used to have annual golf outings.


do u mean they are sister agencies?

199 vxbush  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:17:42am

re: #197 smokefire

...............I'm on the frontlines. [first responder-firefighter]
More than ready.

Thank you.

200 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:17:50am

re: #155 faraway

The tanks are full of diesel and are waiting for Spring.

Ukraine next ...

201 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:18:01am

re: #189 Pamela

As bad as things are in USA I still want to come home, things are not fun in Scandinavia!

There's another adolescent fantasy shot to hell, thank you very much.

202 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:18:03am

re: #187 buzzsawmonkey

The belief that "world opinion" or "world morality" is somehow better than our own domestic opinion or our own American morality, or our own American self-interest, seems frighteningly widespread today.

It started with the U.N..

203 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:18:19am

re: #145 vxbush We need to make a promise to help those who are hurt? It's our DUTY to help our fellow Americans out if they are hurt, not a choice we can make.

204 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:18:35am

re: #195 buzzsawmonkey

They'll wait until he gets a No. 2 pencil.

The UN will be proctor.


Ah, you mean The Global Test.

205 vxbush  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:18:55am

re: #203 realwest

We need to make a promise to help those who are hurt? It's our DUTY to help our fellow Americans out if they are hurt, not a choice we can make.

As I said before, I'm trying to get us to move beyond Obama bashing into preparation for what will come as a result of his actions.

206 faraway  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:19:07am

I wondered why Nancy Pelosi had a 10 pound anvil on top of her head. Maybe she will stop blinking now.

207 tfc3rid  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:19:10am

I cannot say that any of this surprises me... I expected this. There were WAY too many Conservatives who thought this President would moderate... I always thought THAT was crazy...

This guy is a radical... He's a Marxist who hates this country. We always knew it.

208 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:19:32am

re: #192 MJ

More from his text:

The return of the "hardliners" and "pragmatists" in Iran.

Bullshit.


Great idea, let's invade and restore the Shah's son to the Peacock throne.

209 kansas  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:19:35am

re: #47 WriterMom

Mandy Manners is right-those who didn't vote for McCain, get ready for four more years of this-some of the damage will be irreparable.

I voted for McCain. I don't think it would have made a difference.

210 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:19:35am
211 badger1970  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:19:40am

This reminds me of Loony Toons when Elmer Fudd is hunting wabbits and Bugs and Daffy get into an argument about,

Bugs (to Daffy)- "He doesn't have to shoot me now."

Daffy- "Oh no you don't, not again. Of course he has to shoot ME now. So, SHOOT ME NOW!"

Elmer- *BANG, shoots Daffy*

Daffy (to Bugs)- "You. You're despicable."

212 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:19:45am

re: #48 Honorary Yooper

We are so fucked.

We been fucked since the polls closed on November 4...Like a frigging train wreak in slow motion.

213 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:19:58am

Not that I wish any harm to our foreign-service cats, it would not surprise me at all that the test turns out to be the one given to Carter.

Such a move puts incompetence under the spotlight, but is not quite enough to arouse the vengence of the people.

214 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:19:58am

re: #162 Kosh's Shadow

What "mutual interest" with Iran? Does the 0bama administration also want to "wipe Israel off the map"?
/I wouldn't put it past them.

Nor, alas, would I.
The main aim for PB0 seems to be 'peace' with the Ummah - at any price.
especially if its that tiny speck on the map, called Israel, which has to pay.

215 brookly red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:20:13am

re: #184 Who Watches the Watchmen?

and restoring America’s moral standing = the pussification of the USA

Errr, standing is done one ones feet, no?

216 jwb7605  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:20:22am

re: #186 vxbush

I mean no disrespect. But I'm trying to get us to move beyond just raging against Obama (which is well deserved) but to move us into preparation. We need to prepare for when we will be hit.

Nobody knows when, where, and/or how we will be hit.
Do what you can, when you can, where you can, if you need to.

Calm down.

Otherwise, make a complete list of all unknowns, and I'll help you review it.

217 tfc3rid  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:20:26am

re: #205 vxbush

As I said before, I'm trying to get us to move beyond Obama bashing into preparation for what will come as a result of his actions.

But it's fun to play 'I told ya' so'...

Agreed though... It's my duty to assist in any way I can... Although, as a betting man, I bet I am a victim of the inevitable attack.

218 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:20:38am

re: #198 Gella

do u mean they are sister agencies?

More like friendly rivals. It was US State that was "separated at birth" from the counterpart Soviet agency.

The State department must be loving a sitting president that finally has the same goals and objectives of emasculating the US as they have had since the '30s.

219 faraway  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:20:51am

re: #205 vxbush

As I said before, I'm trying to get us to move beyond Obama bashing into preparation for what will come as a result of his actions.

Obama must be defeated in 2012. He may have sealed his fate with the $1 trillion annual deficits.

220 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:20:55am

re: #186 vxbush

I mean no disrespect. But I'm trying to get us to move beyond just raging against Obama (which is well deserved) but to move us into preparation. We need to prepare for when we will be hit.

I've not gone into that angle but, I've already started thinking of ways to take him on in 2012. One way would be to attack his assertion that more people will have volunteered under him than under any previous president as I posted in this morning's DT.

221 Kragar  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:20:55am

While the United States must hunt down those terrorists who are seeking to do us harm, the Intelligence Community also needs to support policymakers who are looking for opportunities to engage and work with Arab and Muslim leaders who are striving for a progressive and peaceful future for their religion and their countries;

What a load of complete horseshit. Intelligence should help guide policymakers, not vice versa.

222 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:21:14am

re: #168 J.S.

They don't even show him as a 15 year old assembling IED's, which is what he & his colleagues were doing when the US special forces captured them. No, the media shows only his high school yearbook photo, which was taken even before he was 15.

223 Harry Tuttle  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:21:16am

We got a bunch of foreclosed on houses the gitmo bunch can live in I guess.

224 BigMoo  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:21:19am

The world 'likes us' again-I'm so frickin happy I could crap my pants. I didn't care for a LOT of what GWB did as Pres, but at least he had the STONES to care more about US national security than public opinion in France...

225 DistantThunder  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:21:23am

The end of US masculinity.

226 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:21:36am

re: #188 tfc3rid

The Emasculation of the USA...

You don't need to possess testicles to be strong.

227 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:21:45am

re: #187 buzzsawmonkey
Wonder in which part of the "world" Obama thinks we need to be rehabilitated?
What has the World done for us?
Did anyone help us with Katrina?
How many "allies" of ours really helped in the fight against terrorism? Candada in Afghanistan, but not Iraq - and preached to us about the war in Iraq as well.
Australia has been - together with Great Britain - our only reliable ally through the past 8 years.

228 MJ  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:21:48am

More from Blair's statement:

"Additional near-term issues of concern are many. They include North Korea's nuclear weapons and missile programs; Iran's nuclear capabilities and intentions, as well as its missile program; the security of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal; and peace and stability in South Asia. They include Israeli-Palestinian violence, with its possibilities for escalation and implications for regional stability"

More Bullshit.
There is no Israeli-Palestinian violence. There is only Palestinian violence. There is Israeli self-defense from that violence.

229 vxbush  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:22:03am

re: #216 jwb7605

Nobody knows when, where, and/or how we will be hit.
Do what you can, when you can, where you can, if you need to.

Calm down.

Otherwise, make a complete list of all unknowns, and I'll help you review it.

I'll have to think about that over the next few days. My concern is focused primarily on my disabled son. That is going to take some extra brain cells to prepare for.

230 razorbacker  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:22:20am

America seems to me to be in the position of those frat-boy-wanna-bees during the initation phase. All bent over grasping their ankles whilst the 'cool kids' wield the paddles.

*WHACK* *grimace* "Thank you sir, may I have another!" *WHACK* *grimace* "Thank you sir, may I have another! *WHACK* *grimace* "Thank you sir, may I have another!"

'Tis amusing to watch, if you have no concept of honor or humanity.

231 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:22:27am

Policy for public consumption may differ from reality.

/just sayin' /real hope

232 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:22:39am
233 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:22:41am

re: #184 Who Watches the Watchmen?

and restoring America’s moral standing = the pussification of the USA

In this case, "moral" reverses the meaning of "standing"
So instead of "standing up and defending ourselves",
"moral standing" means "lying down and letting them kill us"

234 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:22:42am

re: #193 Ben Hur

C'mon, the CIA and KGB used to have annual golf outings.

You, too, are a fan of The President's Analyst?

235 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:22:44am

re: #203 realwest

We need to make a promise to help those who are hurt? It's our DUTY to help our fellow Americans out if they are hurt, not a choice we can make.

Dude, you are sooo out of touch. Remember when that Swedish government minister was stabbed to death in a Stockholm shopping mall while onlookers simply watched, and didn't even attempt to help her? That's the model for how the New Socialist Man behaves.

236 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:22:45am

re: #191 realwest

Again? How is Iran going to pay for them?

Large amounts of cash from the US, like what NKorea wants by having their current tantrum.

237 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:22:51am

re: #219 faraway

Obama must be defeated in 2012. He may have sealed his fate with the $1 trillion annual deficits.

His $850 billion dollar stimulus will sink the economy. Obama doesn't have a clue what he is doing and unfortunately, since he has surrounded himself with yes-men, he is not going to figure it out. It's already too late to save the economy, but it isn't too late to defeat him in 2012.

238 DistantThunder  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:23:04am

re: #221 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

While the United States must hunt down those terrorists who are seeking to do us harm, the Intelligence Community also needs to support policymakers who are looking for opportunities to engage and work with Arab and Muslim leaders who are striving for a progressive and peaceful future for their religion and their countries;

What a load of complete horseshit. Intelligence should help guide policymakers, not vice versa.


re: #226 MandyManners

You don't need to possess testicles to be strong.

In the eyes of the world.....

239 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:23:17am

Did anyone comment on this earlier?
It appears that Princess Caroline has declined to serve and has graciously requested that her name be withdrawn from consideration for Senator for New York.

She must have heard that you can't get a decent latté in the Senate Dining Room and the wine list is deplorable.

240 vxbush  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:23:21am

re: #216 jwb7605

Nobody knows when, where, and/or how we will be hit.
Do what you can, when you can, where you can, if you need to.

And I'm not sure why you think I'm freaking out. I'm not. I am calm. I am simply taking the circumstances before me and plotting the logical conclusion. From that, I am developing an action plan.

241 Pamela  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:23:22am

RE 201 lifeofthemind

Finns have been conditioned to have thick skins being Russians neighbors and all, but Finland is still an EU member.

242 faraway  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:23:31am

re: #226 MandyManners

You don't need to possess testicles to be strong.

Only if you are on steroids.

243 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:23:34am

realwest,

I don't know if you read it, but I left a response to your last comment on the overnight thread.

244 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:23:37am

re: #179 unrealizedviewpoint

Wonderful thought, but, we need expect communication lines (as this) will be down.

Gotta establish a network of e-mailers who can send info to others and can stand as sort of communication nodes.

245 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:23:37am

How many Executive orders do you think Obama will sign before he signs a bill from the Legislative branch?

246 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:23:58am

re: #205 vxbush
Well that sure beats talking about whatever the hell Michelle was wearing at the inaugaration. The fact is that we've only begun to bash Obama properly.
Our obligation to assist other Americans in need has ALWAYS been there.
I meant no insult to you, just trying to point out that obligation pre-existed Obama.

247 vxbush  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:24:06am

Argh. Gotta reboot. Later.

248 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:24:12am
249 J.S.  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:24:15am

re: #222 Kenneth

Did they treat Clifford Olson the same way, eh? (yearbook photo! argh...)

250 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:24:27am

re: #162 Kosh's Shadow

What "mutual interest" with Iran? Does the 0bama administration also want to "wipe Israel off the map"?
/I wouldn't put it past them.

The CIA's new slogan will be Marg Bar Amrika.

251 BigMoo  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:24:29am

re: #226 MandyManners

You don't need to possess testicles to be strong.

Agreed, my wife is FAR tougher than I'll ever be. For than matter, I don't know many guys who would go thru child birth-even once...

252 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:24:30am
253 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:24:44am

re: #226 MandyManners

You don't need to possess testicles to be strong.

Are you kidding? Margaret Thatcher had the only testicles in all of Europe.

254 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:24:53am

re: #221 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

While the United States must hunt down those terrorists who are seeking to do us harm, the Intelligence Community also needs to support policymakers who are looking for opportunities to engage and work with Arab and Muslim leaders who are striving for a progressive and peaceful future for their religion and their countries;

What a load of complete horseshit. Intelligence should help guide policymakers, not vice versa.

Changing facts to fit perception is a hallmark of Leftoids. Forget about reality and the world as it is, they want the intelligence to show how things should be in their views.

255 jcm  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:25:10am

Those who would give up ESSENTIAL SECURITY, to purchase a little TEMPORARY POPULARITY, deserve neither Liberty, Safety, or Popularity.

Ben Franklin, updated by JCM

256 tfc3rid  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:25:28am

re: #248 Iron Fist

The idiot Republicans better damn well start making a big deal out of it NOW!

257 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:26:26am

re: #241 Pamela

RE 201 lifeofthemind

Finns have been conditioned to have thick skins being Russians neighbors and all, but Finland is still an EU member.

When I was in Junior High I knew a girl from Finland.

258 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:26:29am

re: #228 MJ

More from Blair's statement:

More Bullshit.
There is no Israeli-Palestinian violence. There is only Palestinian violence. There is Israeli self-defense from that violence.

Number of Muslims killed in all Arab-Israeli wars since 1948: 40,000
Number of Muslims killed in all Muslim-Muslim wars since 1948: 11 million

Historical perspective matters.

259 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:26:29am

re: #235 Occasional Reader

Dude, you are sooo out of touch. Remember when that Swedish government minister was stabbed to death in a Stockholm shopping mall while onlookers simply watched, and didn't even attempt to help her? That's the model for how the New Socialist Man behaves.

That is New Socialist PERSON! ;)

260 faraway  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:26:44am

re: #257 lifeofthemind

When I was in Junior High I knew a girl from Finland.

I had that issue also.

261 Caplady  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:26:54am

New GITMO gear coming soon! Rush is going to add "When America was safe!" Can't wait to get one of those t-shirts...

262 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:27:31am

re: #221 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

While the United States must hunt down those terrorists who are seeking to do us harm, the Intelligence Community also needs to support policymakers who are looking for opportunities to engage and work with Arab and Muslim leaders who are striving for a progressive and peaceful future for their religion and their countries;

What a load of complete horseshit. Intelligence should help guide policymakers, not vice versa.

Progressive and peaceful future, to the Arab and Muslim leaders, means a future without Israel, which wouldn't be peaceful for long before the Shi'ites and Sunnis started fighting, and certainly wouldn't be progressive.

Which anti-Semite at the State Dept wrote this?

263 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:28:07am

re: #244 yma o hyd

Gotta establish a network of e-mailers who can send info to others and can stand as sort of communication nodes.

CB radio shout-outs:
"Any Lizards out there, come on back!"

264 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:28:22am

re: #181 samsgran1948

Sorry -- didn't realize you'd already made that particular observation.

That's cool. It's always good when more than one person makes an observation. It can then be scientifically verified as being true.

265 notutopia  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:28:23am

This is what the Liberal Pacifist Democrats wanted.
Now, they have it.
Wait for the cries from these same asshats when our
CIA and Military are told to stand down.
Wait for the sobs of horror and sorrow and fear when we
are hit again by terrorists on our own US soil.
They asked for this. They begged for this. They paid for this.
Fuck them. There are others here in this country, the 49% who will not sit idly when the shit hits the fan.
We'll be the ones doing the repair of our society and infrastructure. We'll be the ones paying for it as well.
Fuck them.

266 Kragar  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:28:33am

Israeli PM says war could speed soldier's freedom

Israeli media said some Cabinet ministers have softened their positions on releasing dangerous Palestinian prisoners in exchange for the soldier, Sgt. Gilad Schalit, signaling the government is trying to work out a deal with Hamas ahead of Israeli elections next month.

Hamas has demanded the release of hundreds of prisoners, including convicted murderers, in exchange for Schalit, who was seized by Hamas-linked militants in a cross-border raid.

"I believe the war created levers that could hasten Gilad Schalit's return home," Israeli Prime Minister Olmert told reporters while touring the rocket-scarred town of Sderot.

Rescuing him was also a viable option, you bastards.

267 jcbunga  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:28:34am

Dear Mr. The One, repeat after me:

You own it.

268 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:28:49am

Lunchtime. BBIAW

269 faraway  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:28:49am

From another website:

Well, this is what happens when you hire some dude off the street to run a major super-power.

270 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:29:03am

You know all those people at demonstrations who wear the jumpsuit & hood and stand on a box with the wires? They will soon be unemployed and need a bailout.

271 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:29:21am

re: #235 Occasional Reader
You're right. I am not the New Socialist Man and never will be.
And I personally don't give a fuck if the "World" doesn't like us. We've given more of our national treasury and more of our children to fight in wars for Freedom all over the world, to rebuild those parts of the World that tryranny destroyed, and to provide democracy to those who wanted it, than ALL THE NATIONS IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD. If the World doesn't appreciate that, shame on them. If Obama doesn't see it that way, then SHAME ON HIM.

272 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:29:27am

re: #249 J.S.

I do recall seeing Paul Bernardo & Karla Homulka in their yearbook photos, next to their court room photos. That only added to their sinister appearance.

273 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:29:33am

re: #227 realwest

Hiya, {rw}!

i think he wants to be 'reconciled' and 'loved' by the Ummah.
That includes the Taleban, Hamasthugs, AlQ - you know the list ...

He hinted at that during his election campaign.
I don't think he gives a toss about the opinion in Europe - that what the MFM would like everybody to believe because it takes our eyes from what is really going on.

274 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:30:05am

DOW below 8,000 again.

275 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:30:21am

re: #263 unrealizedviewpoint

CB radio shout-outs:
"Any Lizards out there, come on back!"

Hello one and all
Was it you I used to know
Can't you hear me call
On this old ham radio
All I got to say
I'm alive and feeling fine
If you come my way
You can share my poison wine

CHORUS:
No marigolds in the promised land
There's a hole in the ground
Where they used to grow
Any man left on the Rio Grande
Is the king of the world
As far as I know

I don't want your bread
I don't need your helping hand
I can't be no savage
I can't be no highwayman
Show me where you are
You and I will spend this day
Driving in my car
Through the ruins of Santa Fe

CHORUS

I'm reading last year's papers
Although I don't know why
Assassins cons and rapers
Might as well die

If you come around
No more pain and no regrets
Watch the sun go brown
Smoking cobalt cigarettes
There's no need to hide
Taking things the easy way
If I stay inside
I might live til Saturday

CHORUS

276 kcladderman  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:30:41am

This is what we are up against the people who think like this are now in charge of the military.
A relief worker give me a fucking break!

A senior Obama administration official said the president would sign an order Thursday to shutter Guantanamo within one year, fulfilling his campaign promise to close a facility that critics around the world say violates the rights of detainees. The aide spoke on condition of anonymity because the order has not yet been issued.

"We were overjoyed when we heard the news," said Ali al-Shamrani, who is from the Saudi capital, Riyadh. He said his nephew Mohammed al-Shamrani, 35, has been held at Guantanamo for eight years after being picked up in Afghanistan, where he was doing relief work.


Read the whole thing

277 yenta-fada  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:30:59am

re: #186 vxbush

This morning Mayor Bloomberg announced a shortfall of around $1.6 BILLION in the NYC tax budget. This will lead to a layoff of thousands of police, fire fighters, and teachers. You are absolutely right that there will be increasing disorder and that networks of reliable people will have to be established. Economic problems will only accelerate the impact of the ONE'S subversive policies.

278 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:31:02am

re: #145 vxbush

Lizards, can we make a promise now that if America is attacked and any of us are near the location that we will do everything in our power to help those hurt? We are spread throughout the country (and some of you lizards are already in front-line positions like firemen, policemen, etc.) and surely we can use the group here as a network in case of trouble. Because it seems certain that it will come.

I think it goes without saying that folks here are just the types who will go out and help.

279 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:31:03am
280 steveegg  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:31:17am

re: #3 tfc3rid

Oh dear Lord... This naiivete will kill thousands of us...

More likely tens of thousands, though I can't rule out 6 and 7 figures.

281 Marvo76  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:31:50am

re: #34 Jetpilot1101

I can't wait until SecState Clinton has her first big diplomatic victory. Then two days later, when the Arab country knifes her in the back, I want to see the look on her face.

You know she will just chock it up to "a failure of our understanding of their intrests fully" and still declare it a success

282 jwb7605  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:31:58am

re: #229 vxbush

I'll have to think about that over the next few days. My concern is focused primarily on my disabled son. That is going to take some extra brain cells to prepare for.

Hey, VX-

I don't mean any disrespect, either. I'd suggest you keep your focus on your son.

I've got two (apparently mentally disabled) daughters who voted for Obama, and I've got one U.S.M.C. son. I intend to not worry about the daughters, but spend my time pointing out history to my grandkids where appropriate.

I gave my son the best advice I could about when, how, and what to be careful about when he went to Iraq. I've been reading enough of these threads to be concerned about his future given the comments about Africa I've seen here on this website.

"They" (the assorted terrorists) can kill several thousands of us when they see the opening. That isn't the problem. The problem is adjusting for the next generation, and getting them to see reality when they get old enough to vote and/or serve.

283 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:32:04am

Sigh. I think we may be hit at some point, but that's always been a given. God bless President Bush for his - and his team's - vigilance.

That said, it seems to me that the real impact of this policy will be a complete destabilization in the Middle East, Eastern Europe, and the Americas, as our enemies realize they may just have been given a free hand:

Iran escalating destabilization in Iraq.

Iran and Hezbollah destabilizing the Israel/Lebanese border.

Hamas continuing, and escalating, the rocket fire into Israel.

The Taliban escalating the attacks in Afghanistan.

Pakistan and India escalating the destabilization of relations between them.

Russia escalating the move to expand its influence in Eastern Europe and the breakaway republics.

China escalating its move to establish relations with South American and Caribbean dictators.

All very, very bad.

284 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:32:20am

re: #166 realwest

See my #161.

I was being kinda facetious. I knew.

285 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:32:23am

re: #258 Kenneth

Number of Muslims killed in all Arab-Israeli wars since 1948: 40,000
Number of Muslims killed in all Muslim-Muslim wars since 1948: 11 million

Historical perspective matters.

Not for moonbats, or if you work in the MFM!

286 Pamela  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:32:40am

RE # 260 faraway


I married a Finn that is why I am here, but it is my last winter, we are shipping me home this summer, then I will being the processs of getting him into USA.


I knew Barkys first 100 days were going to be like this, he is making good on his promises, bracing for more.

287 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:32:47am

re: #170 Kenneth

You make an excellent point. I believe - perhaps wishful thinking - that we should look at who the foreign policy makers in the O-ministration are. Both Barry and Hillary have repeatedly shown themselves to be consummate liars. Apply, if you will, their blatant disregard for the Truth to foreign policy. Are our "friends" ready for stated policies that have no relationship to implemented practices?

288 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:32:57am

re: #265 notutopia

Disband the military and any attack will still be cause to ask why we are hated and what can we do to make bad people make us liked.

289 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:32:59am

re: #236 FurryOldGuyJeans
The only "Cash" we're gonna have for them are grossly inflated dollars. Want to try to guess again?
The end of US financial largesse came when our recession - which Obama seems determined to turn into a depression - hit.

290 albusteve  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:33:31am

"he's our president now"
"respect him and give him a chance"
spit

291 faraway  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:33:34am

You guys always bash those crazy Christians, but I can't wait for Hussein to allow abortions and fund embryonic stem cell research. There will be millions of protesters in DC.

292 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:33:46am

re: #278 reine.de.tout

I think it goes without saying that folks here are just the types who will go out and help.

Take a few minutes folks and think about ThePlan. Who, what, where, will you assist?

293 vapig  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:33:57am

re: #66 tfc3rid

If one member of my family is harmed because of an attack resuting from lax policies, I will sue the Federal Government for Billions.

Can we be like the enviro-whackos and start a pre-emptive class action lawsuit?

294 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:34:06am

re: #266 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Israeli PM says war could speed soldier's freedom

Rescuing him was also a viable option, you bastards.

Heh.
Being an Israeli does not automatically immunise you from being a moonbat.

295 pink freud  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:34:07am

re: #235 Occasional Reader

Dude, you are sooo out of touch. Remember when that Swedish government minister was stabbed to death in a Stockholm shopping mall while onlookers simply watched, and didn't even attempt to help her? That's the model for how the New Socialist Man behaves.

Bystander effect. It's nothing new.

296 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:34:08am

re: #239 lifeofthemind
Respectfully, who cares? Other than the Kennedy's and New Yorkers, I mean.

297 steveegg  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:34:09am

re: #14 Sharmuta

What part of "Death to America" sounds like an opportunity to these people?!

Probably the part about not having to worry about us eeeeeevil conservatives anymore.

298 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:34:30am

re: #274 Killgore Trout

DOW below 8,000 again.

Bush's fault. Any increase is due to O.

I say that is all seriousness because that is what one TV talking head said earlier today.

299 yenta-fada  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:34:37am

re: #207 tfc3rid

You have to follow the money that put Obama on the throne. Hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but there are people out there who would like to see global governance. Soros and his ilk are about power and control, and have only their own interests at heart.

300 MJ  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:34:39am

Another quote from Blair's statement:

"... the analysts and information in our intelligence agencies are not the sole, and often not the best, resources. Private organizations – businesses as well as consultants – think tanks, NGOs, universities, national labs, federally funded research and development centers, other government analysts, and similar international and foreign centers have a great deal to offer..."

Right. Amnesty International has a great deal to offer as does Human Rights Watch, The Carter Center, Universities such as Columbia can be a big help, Georgetown Center for Arab Studies, Etc.

This guy is really a terrible choice.

301 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:34:54am

re: #295 pink freud

Bystander effect. It's nothing new.

Yeah, wasn't that effect the genesis of the Good Samaritan laws in many areas?

302 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:35:08am

re: #243 Kenneth
Yes I read it.

303 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:35:27am

re: #290 albusteve

"he's our president now"
"respect him and give him a chance"
spit

He is. I have. I did. Over and done!

304 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:35:39am

re: #140 yma o hyd

Omigawd - back to the future, indeed!
Tsar Putin rules ... and I bet the PB0 administration will be bending over backwards to 'understand' him as well ...

Tsar Putin will be busy reassembling the Russian empire. I give Georgia about two weeks after the snow clears over the mountain passes in the Caucasus. After that he'll have a "come to Jesus" session with Ukraine and the Baltics. The former Warsaw Pact countries will also quickly realize which side of the bread the butter is on, and readjust their policies accordingly.

305 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:36:05am

re: #290 albusteve

"he's our president now"
"respect him and give him a chance"
spit

Obama wanted his feet in the fire when he ran for the job, and that's where they need to stay. I'm not buying this let's be friends and kiss and make up bullshit.

306 tfc3rid  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:36:20am

Sorry to steal from Michael Savage but Liberalism really is a mental disorder...

How can they think this is good policy?

307 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:36:22am

re: #255 jcm
Excellent update my friend.

308 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:36:54am

re: #297 steveegg

Probably the part about not having to worry about us eeeeeevil conservatives anymore.

Youtube Video
309 pink freud  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:37:15am

re: #301 subsailor68

Yeah, wasn't that effect the genesis of the Good Samaritan laws in many areas?

Yes. That and the Kitty Genovese incident.

310 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:37:47am

re: #289 realwest

The only "Cash" we're gonna have for them are grossly inflated dollars. Want to try to guess again?
The end of US financial largesse came when our recession - which Obama seems determined to turn into a depression - hit.

When it comes to government giving away money the politicians think there is no limit. When it comes to taxes there is only a very small pie and so the wealth must be redistributed.

real, you talk in terms of financial reality. That is not allowed in DC.

311 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:37:50am

re: #283 subsailor68

Good post.
Yes - we've seen this on a much smaller scale in the former Yougoslav Republic, after Tito died ...

It will be very bad indeed - and Hillary won't be able to do much about it.

312 jcm  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:38:04am

re: #271 realwest

You're right. I am not the New Socialist Man and never will be.
And I personally don't give a fuck if the "World" doesn't like us. We've given more of our national treasury and more of our children to fight in wars for Freedom all over the world, to rebuild those parts of the World that tryranny destroyed, and to provide democracy to those who wanted it, than ALL THE NATIONS IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD. If the World doesn't appreciate that, shame on them. If Obama doesn't see it that way, then SHAME ON HIM.

I want the world to respect us. First and foremost for our ideals, the good we've done in the world, the friend we are to those that seek liberty.

If that doesn't earn the respect, then they better respect the world of hurt will we bring down on them if they fuck with us.

Respect is far more enduring, substantial than popularity.

Obama wish to purchase popularity at the expense of our security. Earning the respect of others enhances our security.

This idea has been pushed by leftist for a long time. It is Obama resorting to his true form.

313 pink freud  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:38:20am

re: #309 pink freud

Yes. That and the Kitty Genovese incident.

OTOH, re Bill Whittle, there have also always been sheep and sheepdogs.

314 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:38:21am
315 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:38:35am

re: #291 faraway

You guys always bash those crazy Christians, but I can't wait for Hussein to allow abortions and fund embryonic stem cell research. There will be millions of protesters in DC.

This week is March for Life Week.

Thousands are there now, including 3 bus-loads of students from the Catholic schools in my area.

316 Kragar  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:38:56am

I respect Obama and his beliefs as much as he respects me and my beliefs. His actions so far have shown how little that is.

317 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:39:15am

re: #306 tfc3rid

Sorry to steal from Michael Savage but Liberalism really is a mental disorder...

How can they think this is good policy?

They don't THINK, they FEEL. And they do FEEL this is good policy because it deals with the world as they want it to be, not as as it is.

318 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:39:34am

"While the United States must hunt down those terrorists who are seeking to do us harm," what do we do if those terrorists are in nuclear armed Pakistan? Or any other country - invade that country (or countries) and risk, once again, incurring the "world's wrath"? Or complain to the UN? Or send a stronly worded letter to them?
You stupid fuck.

319 faraway  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:39:35am

Dick Cheney: RNC head? would this cause moonbat heads and bodies to spontaneously combust?

320 J.S.  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:39:36am

re: #272 Kenneth

And the wedding photos -- those were shown over and over (and I'm not so sure that it made them look more sinister -- some of those pictures made them appear "innocent" and like "the ideal couple." And, then there were all those photos of Karla -- while in prison -- laughing and cavorting...I suspect that it was karla's appearance which led to her plea bargain and her reduced sentence...) but, anyway, it still annoys me if/when the media uses photos of suspects so as to influence the audience (in the Khadr case, it's pretty clear-cut; perhaps less so with Karla..btw, I'd also object to photos/mug shots being manipulated so as to make a suspect appear more sinister...that, too, is "out-of-bounds" imo.)

321 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:39:45am

re: #299 yenta-fada

You have to follow the money that put Obama on the throne. Hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but there are people out there who would like to see global governance. Soros and his ilk are about power and control, and have only their own interests at heart.

Just so!

$oros and his ilk thrive in situations where governments lose control.

322 big steve  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:39:48am

Years ago (20 to be exact) when I got my first management assignment I was determined to be a different kind of manager that those "old coots" that were around. In my first department was a woman, who in my opinion was a terrific employee but she was well known for her negative attitude toward the company. So I sat down with her and during the discussion by her admission what really had her irked was that she felt for years she had been passed over for a promotion. Well I then set about to correct this and with a tremendous amount of personal effort actually got her an out of cycle promotion. (Most promotions were announced at one time but this one was a single promotion). In fact we announced this promotion and it got her a lot of attention and she told me to her face what a great manager I was.

However weeks later I was in a conference room that had one of those fold out walls. My meeting was over but I was writing up my notes. I could hear people on the other side of the wall in the other part of the conference. One was this particular women and in the five minutes without her being aware I could hear and to a rather large group of other people, she ripped me up. Nothing was spared, including my physical appearance, age, gender and most important what a crappy manager I was and the previous manager (the one who had on purpose had not delivered on promotions) ran circles around me. I was crushed. I mean I was really really hurt.

However over the years and through many management assignments I have come to realize that some people just won't like you because of the position you are in. No amount of giving in to them and giving them what they want will make it better. Welcome to this world Mr. Obama.

323 Marvo76  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:39:50am

re: #76 tfc3rid

Eliminate the USA Patriot Act by next Friday.

There are potrtions of it I won't be sorry to see go...

324 pink freud  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:40:18am

re: #317 FurryOldGuyJeans

They don't THINK, they FEEL. And they do FEEL this is good policy because it deals with the world as they want it to be, not as as it is.

Sorta like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

325 notutopia  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:40:19am

re: #288 FurryOldGuyJeans

Disband the military and any attack will still be cause to ask why we are hated and what can we do to make bad people make us liked.

Do true conservatives worry over if someone likes or approves of them? No. There are still 49% of us in the US who are not narcissistic and have no intention of tucking tail to those that love the mirror and public opinion polls. Republicans do not make policy on world public opinion.

326 neocon hippie  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:40:23am

Eyes of the World

327 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:40:41am

re: #296 realwest

Respectfully, who cares? Other than the Kennedy's and New Yorkers, I mean.

The soap opera history of this administration, which is consistent with how these narcissists view the world, is what this shows. This is part of the cage match between the Clintons and the Kennedys. The NYT is literally in bed with the Kennedys. I am surprised that the Clintons blocked this and look forward to seeing the facts when the cat drags them out for the world to admire.

328 bnichols10  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:40:44am

Good work. They'll keep trying to kill us and we will keep trying to make sure they are comfortable and well fed after we catch them in the act.

329 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:40:47am

re: #312 jcm
It is, once again, showing that Obama doesn't LIKE the US and he sure as hell doesn't respect it, either.

330 WitchDoctor  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:40:50am

re: #35 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

I'm taking down my American flag, and will replacing with Don't Tread on Me. The American flag will only go up as required by holidays and other special events.

I wanted Mitch Rapp in the CIA and I got this guy? Aw frick.

331 nyc redneck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:40:52am

and of course it has never occurred to " the rest of the world," ( the barbaric and monstrous dictatorial countries,) that they might want to think abt., instituting, not restoring, some kind of moral standing in the eyes of the CIVILIZED world.
it is disgusting how the hate america crowd never looks at the evil going on in so many other places.
most of the people around the world would give anything to come here.
even w/ our "low moral standing."
the O is such a negative dark energy. always abt. how bad america is.
how he has so much to fix. to finally make us acceptable.
this guy is bad for our morale.
bottom line, he has no respect for for our country.
he wants to tear it down.
just like the enemies we have the world, he is trying to please.

332 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:41:03am

If you don't think this isn't all coordinated amonsgt the "Fellow Travelers":

The EU is trying to take Iran of the Terror List!

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

333 tfc3rid  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:41:10am

re: #314 Iron Fist

Sadly, I agree... There are too many GOP'ers who care more about reaching across the aisle right now than playing partisan politics...

We don't need our National Security apparatus to be PC... We need it to work to keep us safe...

334 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:41:27am

Were Obama President of a nation other than the US, especially an adversary, my reaction would be anywhere from indifference to amusement.
That he IS US President makes me fear for the safety of the Citizens of the Republic. Time for a combination of Brain Bleach and Prayer.

-S-

335 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:41:27am

re: #311 yma o hyd

Good post.
Yes - we've seen this on a much smaller scale in the former Yougoslav Republic, after Tito died ...

It will be very bad indeed - and Hillary won't be able to do much about it.

Thanks, and I agree that Hillary will have her hands tied. The State Dept. is a mess in calmer times than these. It's going to get ugly.

336 JacksonTn  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:41:28am

re: #316 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I respect Obama and his beliefs as much as he respects me and my beliefs. His actions so far have shown how little that is.

Not so sure he really cares what you think since you are not the voter he was going after ...I am waiting to see if any money goes to the red states ...I am thinking much more will go to the states who voted him in ...cuz ...you know ...us rednecks can get by on gravel roads ...

337 VioletTiger  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:41:54am

Anybody listening to Rush? Obambi had to turn to his aides to verify what his executive order included. WTF?

338 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:41:55am

re: #332 Nevergiveup

If you don't think this isn't all coordinated amonsgt the "Fellow Travelers":

The EU is trying to take Iran of the Terror List!

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

They're probably making room on the list for Israel.
/I wish this were sarcastic

339 debutaunt  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:42:06am

re: #107 Honorary Yooper

I'd give it a month or two, tops. AQ may not wait even that long.

The first WTC attack was pretty soon after Clinton was in office.

340 Ben Hur  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:42:09am

The world is definately going to love us now.

We will do nothing to advance our national interests while the rest of the "living in the real world" governments will continue to advance theirs in this post-Cold War world.

341 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:42:14am

re: #310 FurryOldGuyJeans
Fortunately I don't LIVE in D.C.!

342 faraway  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:42:24am

Can you imagine the Huckabee show being replaced by the Cheney Show?

343 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:42:29am

re: #323 Marvo76

There are potrtions of it I won't be sorry to see go...

And those portions would be..?

344 Marvo76  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:42:30am

re: #291 faraway

they will probably get tear gassed and called domestic terrorists if they do...

345 Adrenalyn  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:42:40am

re: #333 tfc3rid

Sadly, I agree... There are too many GOP'ers who care more about reaching across the aisle right now than playing partisan politics...

We don't need our National Security apparatus to be PC... We need it to work to keep us safe...

GOP gives a reach across the aisle
and gets a reach-around from Democrats

and you can quote me

346 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:42:40am
347 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:42:51am

Dear Leader...

348 albusteve  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:42:51am

my confidence in the future has been akin to skiing down a long blue diamond run...I've taken a coupla bumps and now I'm racing down a black diamond just trying to keep my balance and the bottom of the hill is coming way too fast....we dont have till 2012...I have this feeling of doom that we only have seconds to spare...like that

349 akak  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:43:04am

Hey when the economy is bad whaat do you do?

Give more financial aid to Pakistan!

US Aid get out now stop the occupation!

350 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:43:28am

re: #337 VioletTiger

Anybody listening to Rush? Obambi had to turn to his aides to verify what his executive order included. WTF?

Youtube Video
351 samsgran1948  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:43:40am

re: #237 Jetpilot1101

His $850 billion dollar stimulus will sink the economy. Obama doesn't have a clue what he is doing and unfortunately, since he has surrounded himself with yes-men, he is not going to figure it out. It's already too late to save the economy, but it isn't too late to defeat him in 2012.

I'm hoping that Obama, Pelosi and Reid screw up so badly that the electorate sweeps the Dems out of Congress in 2010 ala Newt and his Contract With America. (When I say screw up, I do not mean another terrorist attack on the US. I'm not that insane.) That will slow him down a bit until 2012. Failing that, I'm hoping that the Blue Dog Dems will start acting like a drag on the three of them.

352 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:43:45am
353 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:43:50am

re: #273 yma o hyd
Hi {yma} - yeah, you're right - I had him confused with John Effin Kerry.

354 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:44:07am

re: #325 notutopia

Do true conservatives worry over if someone likes or approves of them? No. There are still 49% of us in the US who are not narcissistic and have no intention of tucking tail to those that love the mirror and public opinion polls. Republicans do not make policy on world public opinion.

Right now conservatives and Republicans are not at the helm, and we are headed for rocky shoals at flank speed.

We Americans elected LCDR Queeg.

355 Adrenalyn  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:44:09am

re: #347 SasquatchOnSteroids

Dear Leader...


I call 0bama

Revered Leader

/sorry Kim Jong IL - he just one-upped you

356 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:44:21am
357 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:44:51am

re: #291 faraway

You guys always bash those crazy Christians, but I can't wait for Hussein to allow abortions and fund embryonic stem cell research. There will be millions of protesters in DC.

Ummm.... abortion is legal and has been since Roe v. Wade or haven't you heard.

Bush funded embryonic stem cell research. He was castigated because it was the first time any President had provided federal funding for it.

Oh, and ESCR was the top issue of the day prior to 9/11. Nice to see that we're back to the 9/10 mindset all the way around....

358 Kragar  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:44:52am

A moonbat I used to work with loved to quote Carlin when talking about Bush.

"They say lead, follow, or get out of the way. I say screw that, obstruct!"

Sounds about time to take that advice.

359 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:45:00am
360 mjwsatx  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:45:04am

Obama and his leftist associates and friends will indulge their compassion at the cost of our safety. I pray that the first strike will be a minor one but significant enough to jolt the American public back to reality. The naivite of our new leaders is frightening.

361 astronmr20  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:45:04am

Somewhere, Vladamir Putin is laughing is pasty white ass off.

362 vapig  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:45:05am

re: #319 faraway

Dick Cheney: RNC head? would this cause moonbat heads and bodies to spontaneously combust?

I just heard this morning that Michael Steele is the new RNC head.

363 Opinionated  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:45:06am

re: #337 VioletTiger

Anybody listening to Rush? Obambi had to turn to his aides to verify what his executive order included. WTF?

It it was McCain, the cry would be dementia.

If Palin, stupidity.

364 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:45:08am

re: #300 MJ

Institute for Policy Studies
Union of Concerned Scientists
Center for Constitutional Rights

the list goes on...

365 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:45:18am

This guy has been in office about 48 hours and the world is NOT a safer place.

366 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:45:30am

re: #330 WitchDoctor

I'm taking down my American flag, and will replacing with Don't Tread on Me. The American flag will only go up as required by holidays and other special events.

I'm gonna hold off. Should it become time to take it in, I'll sooner turn it upside down.

367 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:45:31am

re: #339 debutaunt

The first WTC attack was pretty soon after Clinton was in office.

Yep. They took far longer to test Bush. They found out the consequenses shortly thereafter.

368 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:45:46am
369 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:45:48am

re: #341 realwest

Fortunately I don't LIVE in D.C.!

Neither do I, but the reach is LOOONG.

370 Adrenalyn  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:46:17am

re: #365 Nevergiveup

This guy has been in office about 48 hours and the world is NOT a safer place.

don't forget, we're getting poorer too

371 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:46:19am

re: #284 Nevergiveup
I know you knew - I was being facetious too!

372 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:46:41am

re: #365 Nevergiveup

This guy has been in office about 48 hours and the MUSLIM world is NOT a safer place.


works either way!

373 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:46:41am

Short Shit's got the sniffles...

Iran Leader’s Cold Stirs Questions on Health

374 Opinionated  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:46:53am

re: #362 vapig

I just heard this morning that Michael Steele is the new RNC head.

I wonder if we are going to hear that this too perfects Martin Luther King's dream.

I'm guessing not.

375 nyc redneck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:46:55am

re: #337 VioletTiger

Anybody listening to Rush? Obambi had to turn to his aides to verify what his executive order included. WTF?

perfect dumb puppet. he believes wholehearted but needs others to direct him.
this is ominous.

376 Cielolady  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:46:56am

I am horrified to contemplate what it will take to wake these people up. Do they really think it is possible to make everyone "like" us? They should have learned that lesson in elementary school.

They really do need to grow up and think/act like adults.

377 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:47:25am

I wonder if this Blair also has a crazy sister in law?

378 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:47:28am

re: #320 J.S.

Don't get me going on the Khadr case. That one boils my blood. The rest of his family are living on welfare in Scarborough, in a nice townhouse paid for by you & me. That is their reward for trying to kill us. One day soon there evil son will return to Canada to join them. You can count on it.

379 tfc3rid  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:47:31am

re: #373 Dustyvet

Short Shit's got the sniffles...

Iran Leader’s Cold Stirs Questions on Health

Obama should send him some Cold-eeze. You know, to reach out...

380 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:47:35am

re: #353 realwest

Hi {yma} - yeah, you're right - I had him confused with John Effin Kerry.

You said a dirty word, you said a dirty word....

kERRY!

381 wiffersnapper  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:47:36am

CHANGE!

382 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:47:41am

re: #290 albusteve That "mantra" ended on Januray 20.

383 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:47:48am

re: #322 big steve

However over the years and through many management assignments I have come to realize that some people just won't like you because of the position you are in. No amount of giving in to them and giving them what they want will make it better. Welcome to this world Mr. Obama.

He's not pursuing these policies because he wants to be liked. He is pursuing these policies because they reflect who he is: an anti-American bastard.

384 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:47:52am

re: #339 debutaunt

The first WTC attack was pretty soon after Clinton was in office.

February 26, 1993. Clinton took office January 20, 1993.

385 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:47:52am

re: #373 Dustyvet

Short Shit's got the sniffles...

Iran Leader’s Cold Stirs Questions on Health

I hope he has something nasty and fatal.

386 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:48:04am

re: #368 Iron Fist

I want the world to fear us. It is, as Machiavelli said, better to be feared than to be loved. It's a harsh old world out there. Wishing it weren't won't change it, and acting like it isn't can kill you.

Neither Obama, nor the Democrats as a whole, seem to understand this basic fact.

Facts are irrelevant for Leftoids, feelings are what matter. Reality is what you make it, not what it is.

387 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:48:42am

re: #326 neocon hippie

Eyes of the World

Great show, and one of the few good post-1990 shows.

388 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:48:50am

re: #384 lawhawk

February 26, 1993. Clinton took office January 20, 1993.

And Clinton went to visit the World Trade Center site on......................Ah well never?

389 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:48:50am

re: #381 wiffersnapper

CHANGE!

Hope!

Want to trade...:)

390 big steve  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:48:54am

re: #368 Iron Fist

I want the world to fear us. It is, as Machiavelli said, better to be feared than to be loved. It's a harsh old world out there. Wishing it weren't won't change it, and acting like it isn't can kill you.

Neither Obama, nor the Democrats as a whole, seem to understand this basic fact.

Not that he is all that great to quote but Richard Nixon once said; "the world is a dark alley"

391 vapig  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:49:16am

re: #337 VioletTiger

Anybody listening to Rush? Obambi had to turn to his aides to verify what his executive order included. WTF?

Yes - and what concerned me most was when he reported that Obama issued an executive order clearing the way for FOIA's to be approved on all ex-presidents. He thinks it's a way for special interest groups to be able to prosecute Bush and Cheney for war crimes.

All I can say to that is that this will eventually be applied to him and he seems to have forgotten that this will apply to Clinton - whose misconduct regarding bin laden, et al, could get him hung for treason.

392 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:49:19am

re: #375 nyc redneck

perfect dumb puppet. he believes wholehearted but needs others to direct him.
this is ominous.

Obama is a marionette.

393 notutopia  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:49:19am

re: #346 Iron Fist

One rumor I've heard going around is that Obama intends to dismantle the CIA. This news would appear to give evidence that it is more than just a rumor.

And this is only Day 2 of the Obamanation of Desolation Obama Administration.

I pray it is just rumor. But, I am a realist. I would not put any possibility of policy after policy toward societal pacifism presented to Obama as being rejected. We have a Gandhi on our hands.
Stay sharp and keep your powder dry.

394 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:49:34am

re: #361 astronmr20

Somewhere, Vladamir Putin is laughing is pasty white ass off.

Insider knowledge there?

395 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:49:49am

re: #385 Kosh's Shadow

I hope he has something nasty and fatal.

I hope the Islamic respect for science and medicine helps him to the fullest.

The sooner he joins Arafat and Saddam, the better I say.

396 pink freud  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:49:52am

re: #383 MandyManners

He's not pursuing these policies because he wants to be liked. He is pursuing these policies because they reflect who he is: an anti-American bastard.

Keep hammering it, Mandy. Bullseye.

397 Kragar  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:49:55am

Was reading somewhere that if you gave every taxpayer in the US $50,000 dollars, it would still come out cheaper than the proposed bailouts. I know it would pay off all my debts and allow me to actually buy some things, which is what they say the stimulus is for. Instead, they give it to the banks so I can take out a loan so I can go deeper in debt.

Fuck them all.

398 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:50:32am

re: #336 JacksonTn

Not so sure he really cares what you think since you are not the voter he was going after ...I am waiting to see if any money goes to the red states ...I am thinking much more will go to the states who voted him in ...cuz ...you know ...us rednecks can get by on gravel roads ...

Spot on!

Thats exactly how that LLL mindset works - as we know from experience, here in the UK!

399 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:50:37am

re: #373 Dustyvet

Short Shit's got the sniffles...

Iran Leader’s Cold Stirs Questions on Health

Huh?

400 Marvo76  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:50:38am

re: #245 Who Watches the Watchmen?

How many Executive orders do you think Obama will sign before he signs a bill from the Legislative branch?

I am betting quite a few but I won't give an over or under...

401 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:50:46am

OOPS: Correction about EU taking Iran of Terror list--It was only a exiled group.


EU in draft deal to take Iran group off terror list
Published: 01.22.09, 19:31 / Israel News
European states have reached a preliminary agreement to remove exiled Iranian opposition group the People's Mujahideen Organisation of Iran (PMOI) off an EU list of banned terrorist groups, diplomats said on Thursday.

The agreement, reached among EU envoys, must still win final approval from foreign ministers of the 27 EU states at a meeting in Brussels on Monday. It follows a string of European court decisions against the blacklisting of the group. (Reuters)

402 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:50:49am

re: #375 nyc redneck

perfect dumb puppet. he believes wholehearted but needs others to direct him.
this is ominous.

These are things that he should have had prepared and memorized to issue on day one. These orders were presumably worked out months ago. I read them and the Executive Privilege directive on whitehouse.gov has a typo in it. It refers to the "former president" in the section that deals with the current president. If he can't get this right just what is he going to do when he has to think on his feet after that 3 AM call?

403 tfc3rid  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:50:58am

re: #397 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Can I apply for citizenship in Kragaristan? What is your current policy regarding relations with the US government?

404 jemima  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:51:10am

This is fine. This is what America voted for. 9-11 wasn't a message writ large enough, perhaps the next one will be. Or the one after that.

405 big steve  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:51:10am

re: #383 MandyManners

He's not pursuing these policies because he wants to be liked. He is pursuing these policies because they reflect who he is: an anti-American bastard.

Agreed....but.....when one watches the infamous Joe the Plumber original tape, the reason Obama lingers and keeps talking to Joe is that it is clear that he has not yet received love from Joe on his first answer. I have seen this behavior in leaders many times where they believe they are normal and kind people and if they just keep working on you, you will eventually see what a great person they are.

406 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:51:12am

OT, but not completely:

Drudge reported that President Obama did not use a Bible when he retook the oath at the White House. So let me see, he and Chief Justice Roberts blew the first ceremony, which did include a Bible, and got the second one right, while not.

So which oath is valid? Both? Neither?

407 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:51:18am

re: #388 Nevergiveup

And Clinton went to visit the World Trade Center site on......................Ah well never?

Why would he go to the scene of a simple criminal act in his mind.

408 nyc redneck  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:51:24am

re: #339 debutaunt

The first WTC attack was pretty soon after Clinton was in office.


the terrorists can sense his naivety and weakness.
he is inviting an attack. imagine how the jihadis are laughing.

409 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:51:27am

re: #314 Iron Fist It doesn't matter what the Republicans do. Obama and the Democrats will do whatever the fuck they want to do.

410 Opinionated  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:51:29am

re: #107 Honorary Yooper

I'd give it a month or two, tops. AQ may not wait even that long.

The terrorists have a big dilemma.

Do they attack the US, who they continue to hate, and maybe force Obama to do the right thing vis a vis security.

Or do they not attack and allow Obama to do more damage to the US then they could ever dream of doing themselves.

411 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:51:33am

re: #397 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Was reading somewhere that if you gave every taxpayer in the US $50,000 dollars, it would still come out cheaper than the proposed bailouts. I know it would pay off all my debts and allow me to actually buy some things, which is what they say the stimulus is for. Instead, they give it to the banks so I can take out a loan so I can go deeper in debt.

Fuck them all.

You might actually use the money for something useful; we can't have that.
Instead, they give the money to the people who have shown they are irresponsible with other people's money.
Kind of like giving free cars to all the drunk drivers, because they totaled their old ones.

412 oronpam  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:51:35am

I guess its time to get signed up for the firearms class and get to the sporting goods store. The world just became a more dangerous place.

413 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:51:38am

re: #352 ploome hineni

we are jus going to have to

suck it in, until Nobama fks up so badly, the MSM and adoring masses turn on him and his programs

I hope our nation has enough resilliancy left to absorb the damage he will cause

We could lose a city or cities because of his f**k-ups. I don't believe this, as al Qaeda is greatly weakened and they will utilize this time (4 years) to rebuild. But, what do I know?

414 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:51:49am

re: #362 vapig

I just heard this morning that Michael Steele is the new RNC head.

TREMENDOUS news. Smart,,, Conservative ,,,, and did I mention smart !?!?

415 notutopia  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:52:10am

re: #354 FurryOldGuyJeans

Right now conservatives and Republicans are not at the helm, and we are headed for rocky shoals at flank speed.

We Americans elected LCDR Queeg.

What's this WE? Not me. Not I. Not us. A big collective US.
/

416 Kragar  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:52:16am

re: #403 tfc3rid

Can I apply for citizenship in Kragaristan? What is your current policy regarding relations with the US government?

Waiting on the foreign aid package. In the meantime, hostile wariness is the order of the day.

417 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:52:19am

re: #407 FurryOldGuyJeans

Why would he go to the scene of a simple criminal act in his mind.

He was too, ah, busy in the Oval Office with the affairs of state.

418 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:52:27am
419 vapig  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:52:33am

re: #374 Opinionated

I wonder if we are going to hear that this too perfects Martin Luther King's dream.

I'm guessing not.

Considering they (the black community) pelted him with oreos in Maryland, I'm also guessing NOT.

420 Athos  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:52:35am

These statements really have to give one pause about the real focus and commitment of the new Administration to accept and fight that there is a war going on. I don't think the islamofascists have any doubt that they are at war with the US and Western Civilization - or the reasons why they are at war - but too much of this seems as if a headlong run back to the mindset of the 90's where we discounted the threat and veracity of the terrorist organizations until nearly 3,000 died on 9/11/01.

If I was on the panel questioning Admiral Blair, I would be wondering where is the deterrent to the terrorists? While I think that these illegal combatants are entitled to summary execution for their numerous breaches of international laws of war, to whinge about a lack of humane treatment using as examples of 'inhuman' treatment sleep deprivation, loud obnoxious music, and a tool that these so-called principled people apparently have no issue with being done to our own troops in training exercises - but prance about in moral indignation when done to extract time critical information from terrorists is beyond providing aid and comfort to the enemy. Humane treatment is what they experience in Gitmo along with a trial and representation in military tribunals.

This new Administration may be able to use the previous Administration as cover when it comes to the economy, but if there is a major attack on this country after 7 years of no attacks and a weakening of the processes used to defend us led by this Administration toadying to the deranged left, then they own that catastrophe and will face a major electoral backlash.

421 albusteve  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:52:38am

re: #403 tfc3rid

Can I apply for citizenship in Kragaristan? What is your current policy regarding relations with the US government?

A Declared War....

422 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:53:03am

re: #397 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Was reading somewhere that if you gave every taxpayer in the US $50,000 dollars, it would still come out cheaper than the proposed bailouts. I know it would pay off all my debts and allow me to actually buy some things, which is what they say the stimulus is for. Instead, they give it to the banks so I can take out a loan so I can go deeper in debt.

Fuck them all.

At least watch this.

Youtube Video

You load 16 tons, and what do you get?
Another day older and deeper in debt.

423 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:53:03am

re: #396 pink freud

Keep hammering it, Mandy. Bullseye.

He is not some pie-in-the-sky moonbat. He is a dyed-in-the-wool Communist. He was raised to become one and when he became a man, he entrenched himself in that ideology.

424 VioletTiger  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:53:05am

re: #350 Dustyvet
Yup, our first puppet president. It's too sad to laugh about it.

425 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:53:21am

re: #411 Kosh's Shadow

You might actually use the money for something useful; we can't have that.
Instead, they give the money to the people who have shown they are irresponsible with other people's money.

Hurricane Katrina was great for the sale of Louis Vuitton bags when those debit cards were being handed out.

426 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:53:31am
427 big steve  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:53:54am

re: #406 subsailor68

OT, but not completely:

Drudge reported that President Obama did not use a Bible when he retook the oath at the White House. So let me see, he and Chief Justice Roberts blew the first ceremony, which did include a Bible, and got the second one right, while not.

So which oath is valid? Both? Neither?

The second one is legal. The constitution specifically does not say the President has to have his hand on anything however the constitution does specify exactly what words to say. George Washington instituted the tradition of swearing on a bible but it is not in the constitution.

428 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:53:56am

re: #406 subsailor68

OT, but not completely:

Drudge reported that President Obama did not use a Bible when he retook the oath at the White House. So let me see, he and Chief Justice Roberts blew the first ceremony, which did include a Bible, and got the second one right, while not.

So which oath is valid? Both? Neither?

Even if either was invalid, which they weren't, any legal case would be seen by the SCOTUS and Chief Justice Roberts.

This issue is as significant as that surrounding his birth certificate.

429 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:53:58am

The Iranian's have always believed Bush was an aberation from the weak and feckless American leadership they expect. Their strategy was to wait him out till the Democrats were back in power. Now they have their wish.

Obama can talk all the pretty speeches he wants, but these things will happen on his watch:

1. Iran will get nuclear weapons
2. Pakistan will collapse
3. Israel will be attacked again by Hamas, Hezbollah, Syria & Iran.
4. Narco-terrorist warfare in Mexico will push that country to the brink of collapse

No amount of "robust diplomacy" will change any of that.

430 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:53:59am

re: #417 Honorary Yooper

He was too, ah, busy in the Oval Office with the affairs of state.

Close, but no cigar.

431 debutaunt  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:54:07am

re: #384 lawhawk

February 26, 1993. Clinton took office January 20, 1993.

Next? Pentagon again?

432 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:54:19am

re: #406 subsailor68

OT, but not completely:

Drudge reported that President Obama did not use a Bible when he retook the oath at the White House. So let me see, he and Chief Justice Roberts blew the first ceremony, which did include a Bible, and got the second one right, while not.

So which oath is valid? Both? Neither?

What did he take the second oath on? A Koran?
Or "Das Kapital"?

433 Pyrocles  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:54:21am

Zero is a pretty puppet of those who control him. Nothing more.

re: #337 VioletTiger

Anybody listening to Rush? Obambi had to turn to his aides to verify what his executive order included. WTF?

434 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:54:38am

re: #388 Nevergiveup

And Clinton went to visit the World Trade Center site on......................Ah well never?

Clinton didn't visit following the '93 attack?
IIRC six people died, and hundreds were hurt. WTF?

435 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:54:45am

re: #397 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Based on 111 million households in the country (based on US census figures), a $850 billion bailout would work out to $7600 per household. I don't know where anyone gets the $50k figure from...

436 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:54:45am

re: #365 Nevergiveup

This guy has been in office about 48 hours and the world is NOT a safer place.

And I STILL have not gotten my freakin' unicorn.

437 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:54:47am

re: #256 tfc3rid

The idiot Republicans better damn well start making a big deal out of it NOW!

The idiot Republicans have apparently given the green light to have a tax cheat oversee the IRS.

438 Athos  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:54:50am

re: #368 Iron Fist

Exactly. Trying to be friends to our enemies only encourages our enemies further....they would see us as weak and naive.

Unfortunately, we seem to be living the adage - those who refuse to learn from history are destined to repeat it.

439 ThinkRight  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:54:52am

Get a grip people,the Messiah would never do anything that would make us less safe.
In less than 2 days he has fixed what Bush took 8 years to screw up !
We are now loved by the world !
And good women can now wait 6 months to terminate their burdens.

/need I ?

440 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:55:01am

re: #417 Honorary Yooper

He was too, ah, busy in the Oval Office with the affairs of state.

Doesn't matter what he was doing. The man had a policy that terrorism were simply criminal acts and so should be prosecuted in a civilian court.

441 yenta-fada  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:55:01am

re: #352 ploome hineni

They won't blame Obama; they'll blame the Jooos and and supernatural powers of the Mossad. The mindset of the left is stuck on stupid. It won't change along with external events. They'll just yell louder at the usual suspects.

442 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:55:18am

re: #405 big steve

Agreed....but.....when one watches the infamous Joe the Plumber original tape, the reason Obama lingers and keeps talking to Joe is that it is clear that he has not yet received love from Joe on his first answer. I have seen this behavior in leaders many times where they believe they are normal and kind people and if they just keep working on you, you will eventually see what a great person they are.

Per my No. 423, you're right in that that is his Weltanschauung. He knows no other.

443 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:55:21am
444 Kragar  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:55:21am

re: #421 albusteve

A Declared War....

A declared war would just lead to an embargo. I'm using the tried and true method of saying I want peace but need help dealing with "some rebels", then I get the "rebels" to attack US interests for me, then the aid comes rolling in like clockwork. Works like a charm.

445 akak  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:55:31am

so Debka was on the money about the Iranian arns ship!

446 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:55:33am
447 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:55:50am

re: #430 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Close, but no cigar.

Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar. Sometimes, it's more than a cigar.

448 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:56:07am

re: #427 big steve

The second one is legal. The constitution specifically does not say the President has to have his hand on anything however the constitution does specify exactly what words to say. George Washington instituted the tradition of swearing on a bible but it is not in the constitution.

I'm sure you're correct (certainly about the Constitution). I just thought it was kind of ironic that they decided to do it twice, and sorta blew it both times. I mean, if they thought the Bible was appropriate the first time, why skip it the second?

Just kinda typical it would appear from the first few decisions he's made.

:-)

449 pink freud  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:56:09am

re: #423 MandyManners

He is not some pie-in-the-sky moonbat. He is a dyed-in-the-wool Communist. He was raised to become one and when he became a man, he entrenched himself in that ideology.

I know.

450 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:56:25am

re: #427 big steve

The second one is legal. The constitution specifically does not say the President has to have his hand on anything however the constitution does specify exactly what words to say. George Washington instituted the tradition of swearing on a bible but it is not in the constitution.

The first is also legal. This "controversy" is a non-issue and has as much significance as the legitimacy of the man's birth certificate.

451 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:56:26am

re: #443 buzzsawmonkey

It is hardly the first time that Communists have used the rhetoric of American promise and American rights as a cloak for their own purposes. There is a long history of taqiyya and kitman (for want of a better term) in Communist circles.

You can always trust a Communist...to be a Communist.

452 astronmr20  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:56:29am

re: #406 subsailor68

OT, but not completely:

Drudge reported that President Obama did not use a Bible when he retook the oath at the White House. So let me see, he and Chief Justice Roberts blew the first ceremony, which did include a Bible, and got the second one right, while not.

So which oath is valid? Both? Neither?

I really don't think it matters. He could swear to Saul of the Mole-Men while standing on his head. He's still the President.

453 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:56:48am

re: #445 akak

so Debka was on the money about the Iranian arns ship!

I know they get trashed here, but sometimes they are a day or 2 ahead of the MSM.

454 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:56:53am

re: #428 FurryOldGuyJeans

Even if either was invalid, which they weren't, any legal case would be seen by the SCOTUS and Chief Justice Roberts.

This issue is as significant as that surrounding his birth certificate.

Yep, I concur on the insignificant part. Just a bit amusing.

;-)

455 jcm  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:56:57am

re: #329 realwest

It is, once again, showing that Obama doesn't LIKE the US and he sure as hell doesn't respect it, either.

We're just taking it out of context....
/avanti

456 outsidephilly  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:56:59am

re: #25 tfc3rid

Call the White House switchboard and overwhelm them! Maybe Betty Currie is back at her old job!

Ya know, this is a good suggestion!
When I call the White House I'm not sure what I'll say, exactly, or what department I will want to give my point of view to because right now because I'm baffled/dumbfounded by the CIA's thinking. However, once I calm down I will phone the White House . . . . , I think I'll ask to speak with BHO, afterall, the buck stops with him.

457 maddogg  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:57:27am

Hope'n'change! My salary is down 20%, and my alcohol bill is up 50%.

458 Kragar  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:57:32am

re: #435 lawhawk

Based on 111 million households in the country (based on US census figures), a $850 billion bailout would work out to $7600 per household. I don't know where anyone gets the $50k figure from...

I think they were adding in the earlier bailouts and the assumed $2-3 trillion it will supposedly cost us according to current projections.

I'm easy though. Give me 15k, we'll call it even.

459 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:57:44am

re: #406 subsailor68

OT, but not completely:

Drudge reported that President Obama did not use a Bible when he retook the oath at the White House. So let me see, he and Chief Justice Roberts blew the first ceremony, which did include a Bible, and got the second one right, while not.

So which oath is valid? Both? Neither?

The second was clearly valid; the bible is not a requirement. The first wasn't in form because of the garbled language.

Art. 2, Sec 1:
Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

460 big steve  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:57:47am

re: #442 MandyManners

Weltanschauung?

461 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:57:50am

Livni tells Clinton Hamas must not receive legitimacy

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Talk to the hand!

462 HippieforLife  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:58:00am

re: #29 MandyManners

True. I had posted a comment that I thought that he could make a giant mess and another poster told me to "get over it".

I don't care about him as a person, but he has already shown me that he is capable of creating a total cluster f**k and that he really doesn't wish to protect our country. Warm and fuzzy just does not make for safety.

To make the CIA toothless is a mistake, pure and simple.

463 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:58:01am
464 Marvo76  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:58:15am

re: #323 Marvo76

Wire taps and searches without warrants, anything that has to do with gun control, and suspension of any of my constutional rights that have been abridged with the act.

465 Guanxi88  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:58:25am

re: #452 astronmr20

I really don't think it matters. He could swear to Saul of the Mole-Men while standing on his head. He's still the President.

Hey, you're in that fraternity, too?

466 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:58:29am

re: #443 buzzsawmonkey

It is hardly the first time that Communists have used the rhetoric of American promise and American rights as a cloak for their own purposes. There is a long history of taqiyya and kitman (for want of a better term) in Communist circles.

What did Alinsky say about using our own institutions to defeat us?

467 big steve  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:58:31am

re: #450 FurryOldGuyJeans

The first is also legal. This "controversy" is a non-issue and has as much significance as the legitimacy of the man's birth certificate.

agreed but the second is "legaler"

468 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:58:32am

re: #365 Nevergiveup
"This guy has been in office about 48 hours and the world is a much more dangerous place for America."
TFTFY!

469 vapig  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:58:37am

re: #414 sattv4u2

TREMENDOUS news. Smart,,, Conservative ,,,, and did I mention smart !?!?

Agreed. I thought they should have picked him last time. They dissed him royal and that pissed me off no end. I've been getting his GOPAC newsletter for years now. He's also one of the few I actually send money to.

470 ThinkRight  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:58:44am

re: #406 subsailor68

OT, but not completely:

Drudge reported that President Obama did not use a Bible when he retook the oath at the White House. So let me see, he and Chief Justice Roberts blew the first ceremony, which did include a Bible, and got the second one right, while not.

So which oath is valid? Both? Neither?


Roberts that magnificent bastard
None of Hussein Obama's orders or laws are valid
/

471 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:58:58am

re: #459 lawhawk

The second was clearly valid; the bible is not a requirement. The first wasn't in form because of the garbled language.

Art. 2, Sec 1:
Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Yes, thanks! Someone above (big steve?) noted that it's just a tradition from George Washington's days.

472 Guanxi88  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:59:42am

re: #460 big steve

Fancy Kraut word for world-view; or, if you're Heidegger, "orientation toward Being and beings as such"

473 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:59:44am

re: #459 lawhawk

The second was clearly valid; the bible is not a requirement. The first wasn't in form because of the garbled language.

Art. 2, Sec 1:
Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

The lack of a Bible the second time around might drive some potential "oafers" crazy.

474 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 9:59:58am

re: #454 subsailor68

Yep, I concur on the insignificant part. Just a bit amusing.

;-)

This could be a bit of mis-direction to disguise something they don't want thinking Americans to know about, otherwise they would object.

475 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:00:02am

re: #458 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Even assuming $2.55 trillion ($850 x3), you're still looking at $22,800 not even close to the $50k figure. Of course, that would come in quite handy right about now...

I have a driveway that needs paving, a sunroom that needs work, student loans to pay off, and I could splurge on the cruise I'll be taking later this year.

476 albusteve  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:00:03am

re: #444 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

A declared war would just lead to an embargo. I'm using the tried and true method of saying I want peace but need help dealing with "some rebels", then I get the "rebels" to attack US interests for me, then the aid comes rolling in like clockwork. Works like a charm.

cool...I need an arms upgrade myself!

477 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:00:06am

re: #450 FurryOldGuyJeans

The first is also legal. This "controversy" is a non-issue and has as much significance as the legitimacy of the man's birth certificate.

Well, ...let's talk about that again...

/kidding :)

478 SlartyBartfast  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:00:08am

re: #176 Sharmuta

That was profanely funny, and pretty well captures my own thoughts on this new administration!

479 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:00:20am

re: #470 ThinkRight

Roberts that magnificent bastard
None of Hussein Obama's orders or laws are valid
/

Heh, heh. And when Roberts got back to the SC he pulled off his mask and...

OMG...it's Karl Rove!

/

480 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:00:32am

Someone please remind me why I am returning to the US in June. Maybe Africa is not so bad/

481 tfc3rid  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:00:44am

re: #437 Son of the Black Dog

The idiot Republicans have apparently given the green light to have a tax cheat oversee the IRS.

Saw that... What's next someone getting off scott free for Obstruction of Justice?

482 astronmr20  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:00:51am

re: #458 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I think they were adding in the earlier bailouts and the assumed $2-3 trillion it will supposedly cost us according to current projections.

I'm easy though. Give me 15k, we'll call it even.

I think the figures are also based on people over 18 who actually pay taxes.

483 VioletTiger  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:00:54am

Anybody see on Fox?

Officials: U.S. Intercepts Iranian Arms-Smuggling Ship
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

484 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:00:59am

re: #470 ThinkRight

Roberts that magnificent bastard
None of Hussein Obama's orders or laws are valid
/

Can we cut our loses and fire him...?

485 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:01:07am

re: #460 big steve

It's a person's view of the world.

486 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:01:13am

re: #480 Erik The Red

Someone please remind me why I am returning to the US in June. Maybe Africa is not so bad/

Well I take it your in the Sudan or Rowanda?

487 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:01:18am

re: #391 vapig
What makes you think he cares if it's applied to Clinton?

488 Spar Kling  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:01:24am

Who made "The World" a judge of our moral standing? And who is this "World" anyway that's so morally superior to us?

Is it Germany, for not starting yet another world war? Is it France for a record of compromise and deals with the devil? Is it any Latin American country? How about African countries who are so corrupt that their people have trouble feeding themselves? China? Cuba? Who?

And what is the measure of World approval? The degree of socialism? The amount of collusion with petty dictatorships?

What baloney!

The petty dictators of the world certainly fear the US. No love there.

The Eurabian socialists are embarrassed by our prosperity and the poor showing of their unemployment rates the rising number of useless parasites.

Ask yourself, "What kind of country would the US have become to gain wildly popular acclaim by "The World?"

-sk

489 maddogg  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:01:26am

re: #480 Erik The Red

Someone please remind me why I am returning to the US in June. Maybe Africa is not so bad/

Come on home Erik, Obama gonna bring Africa to you!

490 Marvo76  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:01:27am

re: #406 subsailor68

OT, but not completely:

Drudge reported that President Obama did not use a Bible when he retook the oath at the White House. So let me see, he and Chief Justice Roberts blew the first ceremony, which did include a Bible, and got the second one right, while not.

So which oath is valid? Both? Neither?

Considering he has no plans to honor the Constitution anyway, what does it matter?

491 debutaunt  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:01:39am

re: #423 MandyManners

He is not some pie-in-the-sky moonbat. He is a dyed-in-the-wool Communist. He was raised to become one and when he became a man, he entrenched himself in that ideology.

We heard exactly what he said. The moonbats heard what they wanted.

492 BigMoo  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:01:41am

re: #479 subsailor68

Naw...Dick Cheney- Darth Vader lives.

493 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:01:49am

re: #483 VioletTiger

Anybody see on Fox?

Officials: U.S. Intercepts Iranian Arms-Smuggling Ship
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

I'm afraid to read it....in case it ends with "President Obama orders it returned to the pirates."

494 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:01:50am

re: #462 HippieforLife

True. I had posted a comment that I thought that he could make a giant mess and another poster told me to "get over it".

I don't care about him as a person, but he has already shown me that he is capable of creating a total cluster f**k and that he really doesn't wish to protect our country. Warm and fuzzy just does not make for safety.

To make the CIA toothless is a mistake, pure and simple.

Remember what the Church Committee did!

495 Kragar  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:01:58am

re: #482 astronmr20

I think the figures are also based on people over 18 who actually pay taxes.

Yup. That was indeed the case. Forgot about that.

496 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:02:08am

re: #473 MandyManners

The lack of a Bible the second time around might drive some potential "oafers" crazy.

The Conspirabots do need some fresh meat; the Nirth Certifikit has fizzled.

497 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:02:23am

re: #484 Dustyvet

Can we cut our loses and fire him...?

First CIC in the the history of the United States with a Dishonorable Discharge...:)

498 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:02:33am

re: #490 Marvo76

Considering he has no plans to honor the Constitution anyway, what does it matter?

LOL! Yeah, it's a "work in progress" to him.

499 Rancher  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:02:40am

Areas most likely to be attacked? Big Blue Obama cities like NY and LA. Some justice in that I suppose. Country boy will survive.

500 jcm  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:02:40am

re: #473 MandyManners

The lack of a Bible the second time around might drive some potential "oafers" crazy.

I have proof! His Nirth Cirtifikat is hidden in the Lincoln Bible!
What happen to the Lincoln Bible for the second swearing in? Huh?
See!

501 CIA Reject  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:02:41am

re: #354 FurryOldGuyJeans

Right now conservatives and Republicans are not at the helm, and we are headed for rocky shoals at flank speed.

We Americans elected LCDR Queeg.

Queeg had an excuse- he was shell-shocked.

BO and Co. WANT America brought down.

502 notutopia  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:02:55am

re: #426 taxfreekiller

Of some note:

Upon thinking the last few days.

Just could be the fickle finger of fate is in a pushy mood.

On one side of conservatives the push of the RINO's meeting to be able to help the commie Democrats govern, what ever the hell that is.

On the other side of conservatives the ID aka Creationist/Way Right Christians like Tina Benkiser/David Barton and Ken Blackwell pushing for
teaching ID in schools and the Bible is the law of the land as in,Judge Roy Moore.

Just could be they will win out in the Republican Party, both of them, both of these factions make some deal for joint ruin of the party.

Now after that, what, every one still say a third party will not happen,
will not HAVE TO HAPPEN in order to prevent the complete dismantling of our constitution by both the loon left and the loon right.

Just could be we are headed for a moment in time when there is no other choice.

IMO

tfk, if the present representatives of the Republican party keep extending their grubby corrupt ideology and votes across the aisle to support this kind of pacifist bullshit legislation, then YES. The advent of the 3rd party will become the true conservative party. I am not going to remain loyal to any party name that does not represent my convictions as a conservative American and of the constitution.

503 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:02:59am

re: #493 subsailor68

I'm afraid to read it....in case it ends with "President Obama orders it returned to the pirates."

It almost does:

The officials said the shipment is believed to be on its way to Syria and there is little the international community can do to stop it.

504 bellamags  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:03:01am

Just look at the tags Charles chose for this thread:

Barack Obama, hope, change, CIA

all you have to do is add 6 letters for a summary of the whole article:

Barack Obama hope(s) (to) change (the) CIA.

505 Spar Kling  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:03:05am

re: #488 Spar Kling

The Eurabian socialists are embarrassed by our prosperity and the poor showing of their unemployment rates AND the rising number of useless parasites.

506 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:03:11am

re: #489 maddogg

Come on home Erik, Obama gonna bring Africa to you!

That is a big concern. But hell if been here 26 years should not be to much of a change.

507 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:03:24am

re: #493 subsailor68

I'm afraid to read it....in case it ends with "President Obama orders it returned to the pirates."

No, it ended up with it being released to go to Syria.
I guess it was the same thing.

508 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:03:44am

re: #503 Nevergiveup

It almost does:

The officials said the shipment is believed to be on its way to Syria and there is little the international community can do to stop it.

Oh crap! And here I thought I was kidding.

509 ThinkRight  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:03:47am

re: #484 Dustyvet

Can we cut our loses and fire him...?


Ok

510 Bloodnok  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:03:49am

re: #497 Dustyvet

First CIC in the the history of the United States with a Dishonorable Discharge...:)

Clinton must have had one after a wild weekend in Martha's Vineyard.

511 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:03:50am

re: #445 akak

Do you have a link about that other than Debka?

512 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:03:54am

re: #480 Erik The Red

Someone please remind me why I am returning to the US in June. Maybe Africa is not so bad/


While there, swing by Obama's half brothers hut and see how President HopeyChange is helping his life !

513 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:03:58am

re: #406 subsailor68
NO! Don't go there PLEASE. The Nirthers don't need anything more they can bitch and moan about!
:)

514 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:04:03am

re: #497 Dustyvet

First CIC in the the history of the United States with a Dishonorable Discharge...:)

I don't know; I think Clinton discharged dishonorably a few times....
/bad, bad, bad

515 BigMoo  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:04:05am

re: #488 Spar Kling

Well said. When a group of people (or nation) demonstrate they lack the BALLS to act...someone has to, even at the expense of a little 'flak' from those who can't/won't act decisively.

516 vapig  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:04:26am

re: #429 Kenneth

The Iranian's have always believed Bush was an aberation from the weak and feckless American leadership they expect. Their strategy was to wait him out till the Democrats were back in power. Now they have their wish.

Obama can talk all the pretty speeches he wants, but these things will happen on his watch:


No amount of "robust diplomacy" will change any of that.

Same as Clinton. Clinton would always get on TV and promise the country he'd hunt down and get those responsible for (fill in the blank) and then would never follow through. It would just be flushed down the memory hole. That's what this whole presidency will be about - saying one thing and doing nothing to protect us and everything to dismantle our protections.

517 albusteve  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:04:36am

re: #483 VioletTiger

Anybody see on Fox?

Officials: U.S. Intercepts Iranian Arms-Smuggling Ship
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

take some samples...document it with vids...sink it in deep water...problem solved and precedent set

518 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:04:37am

re: #513 realwest

NO! Don't go there PLEASE. The Nirthers don't need anything more they can bitch and moan about!
:)

Aw c'mon...it'll be fun!

:-)

519 pink freud  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:05:03am

re: #466 MandyManners

What did Alinsky say about using our own institutions to defeat us?

Don't forget O's instruction at the feet of Frank Marshall Davis.

And lest we haven't yet realized it, Howard Zinn is today's version:

Here's an interview with Al Jazeera/ Howard Zinn on Barack Obama Take your bp meds first.

From the comments:

"Very nice changes started already, this could be the best time to be alive. Going from worst to best overnight is right in front of us. Everyone I talk to or hear from including Zinn has this feeling of something better in the future and less violence. Awesome...."

520 akak  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:05:06am

re: #511 Kenneth

just foxnews.com

521 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:05:06am

re: #291 faraway

You guys always bash those crazy Christians, but I can't wait for Hussein to allow abortions and fund embryonic stem cell research. There will be millions of protesters in DC.

If the MSM doesn't cover the protests, will they really have happened?

522 Kaymad  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:05:28am

With some of Obama appointments such as Gates I felt some relief. Now I have a sinking feeling. I'm happier than ever that I moved away from a military base and don't live in a big metropolis. How long was it before Bush was tested when the intelligence plane was forced down by the chinese? And Clinton with Oklahoma city and the first world trade center bombings? Not long in either case.

Hopefully Obama is not now dismantling the intelligence apparatus that Bush put into place to save 'The One' from his own test. If something does happen am I suppose to come together with liberals, light a candle and cry? Almost everyone was asleep on 9-11. There is no excuse this time not to do everything to prevent another one.

523 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:05:37am

re: #513 realwest

NO! Don't go there PLEASE. The Nirthers don't need anything more they can bitch and moan about!
:)

sorry, but don;t I recall you as being of the mind that the birth certif was a big deal?

524 jwb7605  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:05:45am

re: #487 realwest

What makes you think he cares if it's applied to Clinton?

I posted yesterday that I took the "openness" statement in his press conference as an obvious shot at Bush, but more importantly, a veiled threat to Clinton -- to keep her in line.

525 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:05:45am

re: #521 Son of the Black Dog

If the MSM doesn't cover the protests, will they really have happened?

Only if the tree falls on 'em.

;-)

526 doppelganglander  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:05:56am

re: #427 big steve

The second one is legal. The constitution specifically does not say the President has to have his hand on anything however the constitution does specify exactly what words to say. George Washington instituted the tradition of swearing on a bible but it is not in the constitution.

You don't even have to swear. You can "affirm" instead, for example if your religion objects to swearing.

527 Kragar  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:06:12am

re: #476 albusteve

cool...I need an arms upgrade myself!

I'll see what I can do. Working on a honey of a urban assault vehicle right now. Twin 20 mm cannons in the turret, pintle mounted remote operated mk19, front mounted flame thrower and sponson mounted M-2. We can take it out for a spin. It'll be a hoot.

528 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:06:15am

re: #501 CIA Reject

Queeg had an excuse- he was shell-shocked.

BO and Co. WANT America brought down.

O has the excuse of Bush, and that a potent excuse to too many Americans that it will be accepted for a considerable time to come.

529 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:06:21am

re: #410 Opinionated
I'm afraid they will attack us, no matter what Obama does to appease them. It's in their blood, in their genes: the United States is the Great Satan.
You can bank on this (although I hope I'm wrong) the terr's WILL attack the US. And it's the ONE THING that Obama and the Dems can't blame on Bush.

530 albusteve  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:06:28am

re: #499 Rancher

Areas most likely to be attacked? Big Blue Obama cities like NY and LA. Some justice in that I suppose. Country boy will survive.

ABQ would make a very sweet secondary target and at ground zero here in the north valley...easy in, easy out....600k body bags amigo

531 notutopia  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:06:45am

re: #439 ThinkRight

Get a grip people,the Messiah would never do anything that would make us less safe.
In less than 2 days he has fixed what Bush took 8 years to screw up !
We are now loved by the world !
And good women can now wait 6 months to terminate their burdens.

/need I ?

Get a grip. Are you passing out Xanax?
No thanks. We need to stay real and focused and figure out what we're going to do if this pacifist policy making continues to push this country down the path of communism.

532 BigMoo  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:06:45am

re: #516 vapig

I recall an article where Iranian intel analysts were urging the Mullahs to 'lay low' and wait for Bush's term to pass-as most likely the next US President would be a pussy.
Looks like the Iranians called that one pretty well.

533 akak  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:06:58am

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Kenneth from jpost

534 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:07:06am

re: #522 Kaymad

Gates will not be able to do much as his budget is slashed to shit. And in opinion, move back to near the base and be near ground zero when the war starts. It will be less painful.

535 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:07:06am

re: #524 jwb7605

I posted yesterday that I took the "openness" statement in his press conference as an obvious shot at Bush, but more importantly, a veiled threat to Clinton -- to keep her in line.

keep HER in line? He'll be lucky if he makes ANY decisions that aren't Clintonesque, with as many former Clinton people he's picked!

536 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:07:22am

Iranian arms shipment:

The search turned up ammunition that included artillery shells. But one official said that since Hamas is not known to use artillery, officials are now uncertain who the intended recipient was. They're asking Egypt to do another search when the ship arrives in port.

The task force was unable to confiscate the arms, despite the violation of a U.N. Security Council resolution that prohibits Iran from selling arms, because there is no enforcement mechanism in place.

The officials said the shipment is believed to be on its way to Syria and there is little the international community can do to stop it.

The UN is the most wonderful organization and a force for peace in the world. Or maybe not.

537 oronpam  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:07:39am

In my best Zell Miller voice......what's the next presidential directive going to be, the military is only allowed to use spitballs?/

538 vapig  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:07:39am

re: #483 VioletTiger

Anybody see on Fox?

Officials: U.S. Intercepts Iranian Arms-Smuggling Ship
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

They must not have gotten the memo that that's not legal anymore.
/

539 albusteve  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:07:50am

re: #527 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'll see what I can do. Working on a honey of a urban assault vehicle right now. Twin 20 mm cannons in the turret, pintle mounted remote operated mk19, front mounted flame thrower and sponson mounted M-2. We can take it out for a spin. It'll be a hoot.

I'll buy the beer bro!.....yeeehaaaa!

540 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:07:52am

re: #520 akak

thanks

541 faraway  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:07:55am

For those of you still wondering if we should support Hussein, here is a comment from one of his cult members on CNN Ticker.

Mr. President please go to work now and arrest Bush And Cheney and all their co-horts and send them to Gitmo. You look comfortable thats cool, but please take care of the last eight years first. Our country needs to be rid of this sewage for good. Please flush them to the place they made for themselves.

542 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:08:02am

re: #531 notutopia

Get a grip. Are you passing out Xanax?
No thanks. We need to stay real and focused and figure out what we're going to do if this pacifist policy making continues to push this country down the path of communism.

I think you may have missed the sarc tag at the bottom.

543 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:08:05am

Now I have the image of those seagulls in Finding Nemo squawking "NIRTH! OAF! NIRTH! OAF!" in my mind.

544 brookly red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:08:17am

re: #450 FurryOldGuyJeans

Thanks, I wasn't going to go there...

545 yenta-fada  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:09:00am

re: #397 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Putting the bailout money in the hands of the bankers instead of the taxpayers is EXACTLY the issue. They are saving themselves, and to hell with "the little people". Obama is as much an elitist (or wannabe elitist) as any Republican. He's going to sell out everybody as long as he makes himself look good. After all, those are the skills that got him the job. Why or how could he learn new ones? He's not stupid, but he is brainwashed and still pissed off at being abandoned by his parents.

546 MandyManners  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:09:01am

The dryer's buzzer is calling. bbiaw

547 ThinkRight  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:09:01am

re: #531 notutopia

Get a grip. Are you passing out Xanax?
No thanks. We need to stay real and focused and figure out what we're going to do if this pacifist policy making continues to push this country down the path of communism.


I did have a sarc tag
I was just trying to sound like a lib

548 faraway  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:09:21am

Change Obama disrespects the Oval Office.

549 Rancher  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:09:31am

re: #519 pink freud


Everyone I talk to or hear from including Zinn has this feeling of something better in the future and less violence. Awesome...."

Less violence to our enemies anyway. Can't we all just get along? With Obama in charge they don't hate us anymore cause were so nice.

550 jwb7605  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:09:38am

re: #535 sattv4u2

keep HER in line? He'll be lucky if he makes ANY decisions that aren't Clintonesque, with as many former Clinton people he's picked!

The appointees aren't the problem. Bill and Hillary are the problem -- at least the potential PR problem.

551 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:09:42am

re: #547 ThinkRight

I did have a sarc tag
I was just trying to sound like a lib

And did so quite well my friend.

:-)

552 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:09:49am

I don't know if the economy has anything to do with it, or people are already heading for their bomb shelters, but my whole day canceled on me.

553 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:10:22am

This may sound insane. Maybe the moonbats will wake up and realize that the world is a bad, nasty place when the US or a US asset is hit. I see this coming sooner rather than later. I pray that is does not happen but the man does not always hear me.

554 faraway  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:10:27am

From my mouth to Rush's ears "you people in NY feel safer now?"

555 Marvo76  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:10:37am

re: #534 Nevergiveup

re: #522 Kaymad

Gates will not be able to do much as his budget is slashed to shit. And in opinion, move back to near the base and be near ground zero when the war starts. It will be less painful.


I got an email this morning that he wants to kill the F22 raptor program, which in MHO means the billions spent developing it were wasted and we will be behind the 8 ball instead of in front of it if the SHTF scene comes to pass

556 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:10:51am

re: #513 realwest

NO! Don't go there PLEASE. The Nirthers don't need anything more they can bitch and moan about!
:)

The problem is that a large chunk of the press corps was excluded from the second swearing-in, so this will be news for some time to come since O snubbed the media (yet again, but who's counting really).

557 bellamags  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:11:01am

re: #552 Nevergiveup

I don't know if the economy has anything to do with it, or people are already heading for their bomb shelters, but my whole day canceled on me.

I know. My biz has totally SUCKED for the past 3 days. Last week was hopping.

558 albusteve  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:11:06am

re: #536 Kenneth

Iranian arms shipment:

The UN is the most wonderful organization and a force for peace in the world. Or maybe not.

gutless US refuses to fix this simple problem...despicable...once again the murderous UN calls the shots and we sit on our ass and let them

559 BigMoo  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:11:22am

"Hope N Change"...that's all ya have to say to some Islamo Fascist bent on cutting your throat or blowing you up...and he'll stop.
Won't he ?
"Hope N Change"...hell yeah.

560 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:11:28am

Iran buids new submarine

Azerbijan news site... includes a nice picture of the sub too.

Iranian technical university student Hassan Sharifzadeh drafted a new reconnaissance submarine that can avoid radar detection, the Iranian Fars news agency said.

No crew will man the submarine which will be controlled remotely.

The submarine can reach a depth of up to 8 meters and carry 8 kilograms of explosives to place near enemy positions. A SIM card connects the controller to the submarine.

I bought one of those once when I was kid, from an ad in the back of a Superman comic.

561 notutopia  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:11:29am

re: #445 akak

so Debka was on the money about the Iranian arns ship!

Repost it please.

562 seekeroftruth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:11:31am

re: #538 vapig

You mentioned that Michael Steele is the new head of RNC. Do you have a link? I think he's an excellent choice.

563 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:11:34am

re: #553 Erik The Red

This may sound insane. Maybe the moonbats will wake up and realize that the world is a bad, nasty place when the US or a US asset is hit. I see this coming sooner rather than later. I pray that is does not happen but the man does not always hear me.

It hasn't happened yet. After 9/11, the moonbats were looking at ways to blame the US. They'll still find some way to blame it on Bush.

564 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:11:43am

re: #555 Marvo76

I got an email this morning that he wants to kill the F22 raptor program, which in MHO means the billions spent developing it were wasted and we will be behind the 8 ball instead of in front of it if the SHTF scene comes to pass

Were did you see that? Kill it or reduce the number of planes we build?

565 Rancher  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:11:54am

re: #530 albusteve

ABQ would make a very sweet secondary target and at ground zero here in the north valley...easy in, easy out....600k body bags amigo

Hundred miles away amigo. However I did shop there, looks like I'll be going to Roswell instead.

566 Kaymad  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:12:03am

re: #534 Nevergiveup

True about the military budget. Oh, and guess who is going to help out with that? None other than John McCain. Heard he was asked to help find items in the defense budget to slash. Good old John. The only thing that made Obama's election win bearable is that John McCain was the one who lost (and yes, I voted for him though I've never liked him much).

567 ThinkRight  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:12:28am

re: #548 faraway

Change Obama disrespects the Oval Office.


Not as bad as slick Willie did
His resume makes him being there a disrespect

568 BigMoo  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:12:29am

re: #553 Erik The Red

The moonbats think the world is a nasty place because WE made it that way. That 'blame America first' mantra has been drilled into people now for over 30 years.

569 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:12:42am

re: #558 albusteve

gutless US refuses to fix this simple problem...despicable...once again the murderous UN calls the shots and we sit on our ass and let them

Sounds like a job for Hopenchange!

570 jcm  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:12:43am

re: #553 Erik The Red

This may sound insane. Maybe the moonbats will wake up and realize that the world is a bad, nasty place when the US or a US asset is hit. I see this coming sooner rather than later. I pray that is does not happen but the man does not always hear me.

The world is bad, nasty place because we made it that way. It's all our fault, slavery, colonialism, imperialism, hegemony we did it all. That's the thing with moonbats, it starts and end with us.

571 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:13:08am

re: #560 Kenneth

Iran buids new submarine

Azerbijan news site... includes a nice picture of the sub too.

I bought one of those once when I was kid, from an ad in the back of a Superman comic.

LOL! A whole 8 meters. Wow! "In other news, Iran's new sub was sunk yesterday by a tragic encounter with the Harvard rowing team."

572 vxbush  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:13:12am

If America does not get attacked in the next two years, it will only be because Bush did such a good job of getting rid of the terrorist cells worldwide. I can't remember the name of the book or the author, but I read a great book that talked about all the unsung accomplishments of Bush to get rid of terrorist cells in nations all across the globe.

573 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:13:19am

re: #560 Kenneth

Iran buids new submarine

Azerbijan news site... includes a nice picture of the sub too.

Iranian technical university student Hassan Sharifzadeh drafted a new reconnaissance submarine that can avoid radar detection, the Iranian Fars news agency said.


I bought one of those once when I was kid, from an ad in the back of a Superman comic.

Since radar is only useful on surfaced subs, I believe that part.
Sonar detection is another matter, although it is probably quiet. But what is its range? We have UUV's as well.

574 Kragar  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:13:29am

re: #545 yenta-fada

Putting the bailout money in the hands of the bankers instead of the taxpayers is EXACTLY the issue. They are saving themselves, and to hell with "the little people". Obama is as much an elitist (or wannabe elitist) as any Republican. He's going to sell out everybody as long as he makes himself look good. After all, those are the skills that got him the job. Why or how could he learn new ones? He's not stupid, but he is brainwashed and still pissed off at being abandoned by his parents.

The bailouts guarantee that come election time, the banks are going to sit and look at who helped them. The Dems who pushed the bailouts, or the Republicans who tried to stop them. Watch the campaign contributions and the pork loaded into the bailouts. Obama got his bribes in, passed by congress and out the door within his first week

575 jcm  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:13:33am

re: #555 Marvo76

I got an email this morning that he wants to kill the F22 raptor program, which in MHO means the billions spent developing it were wasted and we will be behind the 8 ball instead of in front of it if the SHTF scene comes to pass

The -22 is unproven technology.....
///

576 CIA Reject  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:13:45am

re: #528 FurryOldGuyJeans

O has the excuse of Bush, and that a potent excuse to too many Americans that it will be accepted for a considerable time to come.

That is correct, but just don't smear Capt. Queeg. He was a patriot- flawed to be sure but a patriot nonetheless.

There's nothing remotely patriotic in what BO is doing.

577 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:13:51am

re: #455 jcm
ROTFL! BTW, did you happen to notice that although he's on a self-imposed sabbatical from LGF, he's been down dinging a lot of folks who asked him for, like, facts and things. Or GAVE him links to facts and asked him to read them.

578 notutopia  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:13:53am

re: #547 ThinkRight

I did have a sarc tag
I was just trying to sound like a lib

Great imitation!

579 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:13:59am

re: #566 Kaymad

You should post more. We think alike. Now that's a scary thought ha?

580 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:14:32am

re: #571 subsailor68

Did you see the picture? Can you identify what sub that really is? 'Cause it sure don't look like anything the Iranians built.

581 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:14:47am

re: #570 jcm

The world is bad, nasty place because we made it that way. It's all our fault, slavery, colonialism, imperialism, hegemony we did it all. That's the thing with moonbats, it starts and end with us.

So when/if there is another attack and 44 tries to appease and they attack again it will still be our fault? How many must die before these asshats wake the fuck up?

582 Kragar  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:14:52am

re: #560 Kenneth

Iran buids new submarine

Azerbijan news site... includes a nice picture of the sub too.


I bought one of those once when I was kid, from an ad in the back of a Superman comic.

They've come a long way in baking soda technology.

583 akak  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:15:05am

re: #561 notutopia

[Link: www.debka.com...]

2 stories there

584 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:15:05am

re: #560 Kenneth

Iran buids new submarine

Azerbijan news site... includes a nice picture of the sub too.

I bought one of those once when I was kid, from an ad in the back of a Superman comic.

I doubt that picture is of the sub. In fact, from the article, I don't think they've built one.

585 jcm  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:15:12am

re: #548 faraway

Change Obama disrespects the Oval Office.

Reagan and both Bushes had the jacket rule. The understood it was about the Office not the man in the office.

Obama is about Obama.

586 Marvo76  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:15:17am

re: #564 Nevergiveup

Hang on, I will get it

587 XMarine  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:15:25am

I was willing to have some faith and allow that Obama had a speck of sense and would change his tune when he became informed about our precarious position in the world.

Silly me.

It took only a few hours to dissuade me of that foolish faith. The entire inauguration, starting with the rail trip along the same route that Republican Lincoln took, continuing with the self aggrandizing ceremony, and finishing with Obama's snubbing our brave veterans in favor of attending snobby Hollywood shallow celebrity inauguration balls instead.

Then, he appears on the way to dismantle the means by which President Bush managed to keep us free from successful terrorist attacks for 7 years, and demonstrates the deluded, naive, self centered perception of the world that Carter showed.

Hashem help us, we will need all the help we can get as long as the MSM, the Democrats, and Obama run the show.

588 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:15:32am

If Guinter gets confirmed is everyone who uses Turbo tax gonna be able to use the same excuse?

589 beens21  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:15:49am

re: #392 Honorary Yooper

I agree, I have a vision of his advisers drafting executive orders for every moonbat cause and sending it to some group of ten people for vetting, and then Rahm takes it to Barry who has no effin clue what he is signing or its consequences.We will see front page news for weeks of ex orders that will stop global warming ,polluters etc.,all for PR sake.

590 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:15:55am

re: #567 ThinkRight

This is such a non-issue. Big flipping deal that O wants a less formal atmosphere.

But this is change from a Bush policy, so CNN has to make it a big deal.

PA-THE-TIC!

591 jcm  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:16:17am

re: #577 realwest

ROTFL! BTW, did you happen to notice that although he's on a self-imposed sabbatical from LGF, he's been down dinging a lot of folks who asked him for, like, facts and things. Or GAVE him links to facts and asked him to read them.

Oh! I should have have a only shit pot full of avanti down dings then!

592 Marvo76  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:16:22am

Dear Townhall Readers:

The status of the United States Air Force as the premier force in the world may be at risk. Currently, America's F-22 Raptor is the only operational fifth generation fighter that can cobat threats from China, Russia and Iran; but its continued production -- and America's global air dominance -- is in serious jeopardy.

Within just a few weeks of taking office, the new president must decide whether to continue the production F-22. It is crucial that he hear from all Americans about the need to continue this highly successful program in order to strengthen both our national defense and our domestic economy. You can assist with this effort by visiting [Link: www.preserveraptorjobs.com...] today and signing the petition urging President Obama to save the F-22 Raptor program.

The F-22 is a key component of our National Military Strategy. Its unparalleled combination of stealth, supercruise, maneuverability, and other advanced capabilities enables it to carry out missions with great speed over large distances without being detected by the enemy. It is an exponential improvement on the aging F-15 fleet it is replacing.

No new funding is needed for this project--the President merely has to approve what Congress has already allocated. If he thinks it's wise to spend billions bailing out the auto industry, he should be able to see the wisdom in continuing to fund a stable program that is so vital to our nation's defense and to tens of thousands of American jobs.

Please visit [Link: www.preserveraptorjobs.com...] right now. Our men and women in uniform deserve the best fighting aircraft available. In an increasingly unstable world, our nation cannot afford any less.

593 faraway  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:16:23am

re: #588 Nevergiveup

If Guinter gets confirmed is everyone who uses Turbo tax gonna be able to use the same excuse?

Voted in 18-5

594 tfc3rid  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:16:25am

re: #585 jcm

I thought it wasn't about Obama, it was about the people...

595 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:16:29am

re: #584 Kosh's Shadow

No kidding. They said it's controlled by a SIM card. So the student sends texts messages to it from his cell phone?

596 BigMoo  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:16:50am

re: #582 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It's a 'VBIED' for the ocean...get it close to a frigate/destroyer/tanker and detonate the explosives...

597 yma o hyd  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:16:56am

re: #548 faraway

Change Obama disrespects the Oval Office.

Heh.
They've turned the central heating up too high for PB0 - thast why he can do without a jacket.

Hows that for reducing carbon footptints and saving the planet?

598 Alberta Oil Peon  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:16:56am

re: #170 Kenneth

From the "news" report,

Oh! So Obama is going to make an exception for the CIA to use some "enhanced interrogation methods". Which is what Bush did.

Hopenchange is another word for hypocritical bullshit.

Exactly.

It wouldn't surprise to me to learn that Obama does in fact close the prison at Gitmo, but simply relocates the inmates to some secure base within the continental U.S. Alaska, anyone? Aleutian islands?

This guy is awful strong on symbols, and mighty short on substance.

599 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:17:14am

re: #585 jcm

Reagan and both Bushes had the jacket rule. The understood it was about the Office not the man in the office.

Obama is about Obama.

Will the 0 wear a dashiki in the Oval Office? (Anyone remember those? I went to high school in the 1970's, and we had a dress code. Dashikis were allowed in place of Western jackets. Then there were the kids who wore Nehru jackets and got in trouble because they didn't wear a tie.)

600 faraway  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:17:28am

Russia is gassing up the tanks. Iran is spinning its centrifuges.

601 Maximu§  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:17:36am

Round 1 of the War on Islamic Terrorism-Winner: Islam...taking down the Twin Towers.

Round 2 of the War on Islamic Terrorism-Winner: America...taking the fight to the enemy and revising our intelligence gathering methods.

Round 3 of the War on Islamic Terrorism-Winner: Islam....letting Liberals take control of the war effort. Woman and "Men" who have never even fired a BB gun are now calling the shots and dismantling the intelligence network that has given us so much information.

Round 4 of the War on Islamic Terrorism-Winner: ?

602 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:17:47am

re: #483 VioletTiger
HEY! We can't have that anymore - it's gonna make Obama and Blair's jobs so much more difficult!

603 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:17:50am

re: #580 Kenneth

Did you see the picture? Can you identify what sub that really is? 'Cause it sure don't look like anything the Iranians built.

Hmmm....for some reason I don't think that's an actual picture. That looks more like a ballistic missile sub - maybe ours? (The picture's small, and I couldn't make it bigger.) Has too many masts raised to be needed if it's remotely controlled.

604 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:18:18am

re: #576 CIA Reject

That is correct, but just don't smear Capt. Queeg. He was a patriot- flawed to be sure but a patriot nonetheless.

There's nothing remotely patriotic in what BO is doing.

Queeg is fictional, you know. ;)

The book version Queeg is more O than the movie version.

605 tfc3rid  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:19:00am

re: #598 Alberta Oil Peon

GITMO will be like Obama's Vieques...

606 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:19:03am

re: #595 Kenneth

No kidding. They said it's controlled by a SIM card. So the student sends texts messages to it from his cell phone?

That's why it can only go 8 meters down. Any deeper and the antenna loses the signal.
Iranian technology. Why do I think their first nuclear missile launch will land on Syria instead of Israel?

607 debutaunt  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:19:05am

re: #483 VioletTiger

Anybody see on Fox?

Officials: U.S. Intercepts Iranian Arms-Smuggling Ship
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

"The task force was unable to confiscate the arms, despite the violation of a U.N. Security Council resolution that prohibits Iran from selling arms, because there is no enforcement mechanism in place."
Peachy!

608 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:19:27am

re: #600 faraway

Russia is gassing up the tanks. Iran is spinning its centrifuges.

America is getting white flag etiquette lessons from France.

609 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:19:29am

re: #595 Kenneth

No kidding. They said it's controlled by a SIM card. So the student sends texts messages to it from his cell phone?

Love it! Text message reads BUI, SWAK. (Blow up Infidels)

610 tigger2005  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:19:38am

It's called assymetric warfare.

All you need to do is get a small team of suicide bombers with a "small" nuke off Manhattan Island.

re: #571 subsailor68

re: #560 Kenneth


Iran buids new submarine

Azerbijan news site... includes a nice picture of the sub too.

I bought one of those once when I was kid, from an ad in the back of a Superman comic.


LOL! A whole 8 meters. Wow! "In other news, Iran's new sub was sunk yesterday by a tragic encounter with the Harvard rowing team."
611 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:19:46am

Kenneth, if you're still here, I replied in the DT.

612 Marvo76  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:20:01am

re: #600 faraway

Russia is gassing up the tanks. Iran is spinning its centrifuges.

Why? Don't you know that the sacred O has declared that the US is turning over a new leaf? (read: playing turtle and pulling it's head into a shell)
///

613 Kragar  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:20:12am

Iranian Submarine Revealed!

614 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:20:21am

re: #601 Maximu§

Round 1 of the War on Islamic Terrorism-Winner: Islam...taking down the Twin Towers.

Round 2 of the War on Islamic Terrorism-Winner: America...taking the fight to the enemy and revising our intelligence gathering methods.

Round 3 of the War on Islamic Terrorism-Winner: Islam....letting Liberals take control of the war effort. Woman and "Men" who have never even fired a BB gun are now calling the shots and dismantling the intelligence network that has given us so much information.

Round 4 of the War on Islamic Terrorism-Winner: ?

That about covers it...Please report to your life boat stations...Woman and children first...:(

615 BigMoo  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:20:45am

re: #608 FurryOldGuyJeans

While our troops kick the crap out of everything in its path-how tragic.

616 Erik The Red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:20:49am

re: #592 Marvo76

Dear Townhall Readers:

The status of the United States Air Force as the premier force in the world may be at risk. Currently, America's F-22 Raptor is the only operational fifth generation fighter that can cobat threats from China, Russia and Iran; but its continued production -- and America's global air dominance -- is in serious jeopardy.

Within just a few weeks of taking office, the new president must decide whether to continue the production F-22. It is crucial that he hear from all Americans about the need to continue this highly successful program in order to strengthen both our national defense and our domestic economy. You can assist with this effort by visiting [Link: www.preserveraptorjobs.com...] today and signing the petition urging President Obama to save the F-22 Raptor program.

The F-22 is a key component of our National Military Strategy. Its unparalleled combination of stealth, supercruise, maneuverability, and other advanced capabilities enables it to carry out missions with great speed over large distances without being detected by the enemy. It is an exponential improvement on the aging F-15 fleet it is replacing.

No new funding is needed for this project--the President merely has to approve what Congress has already allocated. If he thinks it's wise to spend billions bailing out the auto industry, he should be able to see the wisdom in continuing to fund a stable program that is so vital to our nation's defense and to tens of thousands of American jobs.

Please visit [Link: www.preserveraptorjobs.com...] right now. Our men and women in uniform deserve the best fighting aircraft available. In an increasingly unstable world, our nation cannot afford any less.

Done thanks for the link

617 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:21:30am

re: #611 Taqiyyotomist

Kenneth, if you're still here, I replied in the DT.

again, I implore you to widen your circle of aquantences!

618 albusteve  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:21:31am

re: #601 Maximu§

Round 1 of the War on Islamic Terrorism-Winner: Islam...taking down the Twin Towers.

Round 2 of the War on Islamic Terrorism-Winner: America...taking the fight to the enemy and revising our intelligence gathering methods.

Round 3 of the War on Islamic Terrorism-Winner: Islam....letting Liberals take control of the war effort. Woman and "Men" who have never even fired a BB gun are now calling the shots and dismantling the intelligence network that has given us so much information.

Round 4 of the War on Islamic Terrorism-Winner: ?

Ron Paul...

619 Marvo76  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:21:39am

re: #606 Kosh's Shadow

re: #595 Kenneth


That's why it can only go 8 meters down. Any deeper and the antenna loses the signal.
Iranian technology. Why do I think their first nuclear missile launch will land on Syria instead of Israel?

we can only hope...

620 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:21:54am

re: #610 tigger2005

It's called assymetric warfare.

All you need to do is get a small team of suicide bombers with a "small" nuke off Manhattan Island.

I see what you're saying, but I'd guess they'd need to transport the sub on some larger vessel, get it in range, and have the capability to a) control it in heavy traffic, and detonate the weapon. Could be done I suppose, but pretty iffy. They'd probably be better off using an old freighter.

621 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:21:55am

re: #615 BigMoo

While our troops kick the crap out of everything in its path-how tragic.

Not if O changes the ROE.

622 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:22:33am

re: #613 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Iranian Submarine Revealed!

whjat the hell is that? Looks like a ride at SeaWorld!

623 brookly red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:22:38am

re: #588 Nevergiveup

If Guinter gets confirmed is everyone who uses Turbo tax gonna be able to use the same excuse?

for me, not for thee...

624 albusteve  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:23:18am

re: #622 sattv4u2

whjat the hell is that? Looks like a ride at SeaWorld!

sink it a play stupid...asymmetrical...

625 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:23:22am

re: #613 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Iranian Submarine Revealed!

OMG! The dreaded D-308 class! Scourge of the Seven Seas. (The 'D' identifies it as the lead ship of the DUH class.)

626 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:23:46am

re: #588 Nevergiveup

re: #623 brookly red

for me, not for thee...

but he said he was "SORRY" and EVERYTHING!
Thas good enough if you're a Lib!

627 BigMoo  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:24:04am

re: #621 FurryOldGuyJeans

'Xactly ! My son just started his first tour in Afghanistan (10th Mtn). It'll be interesting to see if their mission changes this spring...The Czech troops in his region supposedly aren't even allowed out of their compound (condition of their Nato deployment).

628 Irenike  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:24:06am

Dear President Obama,

In many Islamic countries, it is considered morally right to beat women who dress in the wrong clothes, smoke, drive, wear nail polish, or learn to read. It is considered morally acceptable to cut people's hands off for stealing, to physically abuse children, to teach them that killing Jews and Americans is the right thing to do. Should we adopt the same behavior here in the USA? After all, it will raise our moral standing in the eyes of those people. They would like us much better if we acted as they do.

I sincerely hope you are just talking the talk your leftist supporters want to hear. I hope your actions don't turn out to be as stupid and naive as your statements.

Good luck, Mr. President.

629 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:24:20am

re: #622 sattv4u2

whjat the hell is that? Looks like a ride at SeaWorld!

Believe that's Disneyland (or Disney World).

:-)

630 faraway  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:24:20am

“We support President Obama’s decision to close the prison at Guantanamo, reaffirm America’s adherence to the Geneva Conventions, and begin a process that will, we hope, lead to the resolution of all cases of Guantanamo detainees,” McCain and Graham said in a statement…

631 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:24:32am

re: #620 subsailor68

I see what you're saying, but I'd guess they'd need to transport the sub on some larger vessel, get it in range, and have the capability to a) control it in heavy traffic, and detonate the weapon. Could be done I suppose, but pretty iffy. They'd probably be better off using an old freighter.

Or a speedboat loaded with explosives and suicide bombers.

632 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:24:36am

re: #613 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Iranian Submarine Revealed!

I got one of those for a buck and ten box tops when I was a kid...you had to put baking soda in it to make it dive.

633 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:25:05am

re: #631 Kosh's Shadow

Or a speedboat loaded with explosives and suicide bombers.

Yep. Sadly, we've seen that actually work.

634 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:25:14am

re: #622 sattv4u2

whjat the hell is that? Looks like a ride at SeaWorld!

Disneyland, actually.

635 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:25:17am

re: #629 subsailor68

Believe that's Disneyland (or Disney World).

:-)


I'm just worried with all the defense cuts coming, that's were I will be doing my reserve drilling?

636 brookly red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:25:22am

re: #607 debutaunt

"The task force was unable to confiscate the arms, despite the violation of a U.N. Security Council resolution that prohibits Iran from selling arms, because there is no enforcement mechanism in place."
Peachy!

they did get a brokers fee I'm sure/

637 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:25:28am

Here's a picture of a Virginian class US submarine. By the look of the tower & antennae, it's the same one in the Iranian photo.

638 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:25:39am

re: #553 Erik The Red
It's not insane; it's just not gonna happen. The Left doesn't give a shit. Period.
I was NOT kidding around or trying to score points when I said OBAMA DOESN'T LIKE THE UNITED STATES AND HE DOESN'T RESPECT THE UNITED STATES. PERIOD.

639 albusteve  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:25:44am

re: #630 faraway

“We support President Obama’s decision to close the prison at Guantanamo, reaffirm America’s adherence to the Geneva Conventions, and begin a process that will, we hope, lead to the resolution of all cases of Guantanamo detainees,” McCain and Graham said in a statement…

fuck off you whores....

640 BigMoo  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:25:52am

re: #630 faraway

Christ, add one more of those morons to the mix and you'd have the modern equivalent of the 'Three Stooges'..

641 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:25:59am

re: #635 Nevergiveup

I'm just worried with all the defense cuts coming, that's were I will be doing my reserve drilling?

Ouch. I've heard that Drill Sergeant M. Mouse is a real bastard.

642 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:25:59am

re: #617 sattv4u2

good advice

643 Maximu§  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:26:11am

re: #614 Dustyvet

re: #601 Maximu§


That about covers it...Please report to your life boat stations...Woman and children first...:(

What becomes of our kids and grandkids? Who will look out for them when we're gone? All those cigar-chewing Generals and whiskey-slugging Admirals have been run out of the service, now have these CEO's wearing Admirals uniforms who don't give me confidence in their ability to KILL OUR ENEMIES!

644 kcladderman  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:26:12am

re: #577 realwest

ROTFL! BTW, did you happen to notice that although he's on a self-imposed sabbatical from LGF, he's been down dinging a lot of folks who asked him for, like, facts and things. Or GAVE him links to facts and asked him to read them.

Now now be fair. He might still be misty eyed from the inauguration. He is probably hitting those down dings on accident.

645 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:26:33am

re: #536 Kenneth

Iranian arms shipment:

The UN is the most wonderful organization and a force for peace in the world. Or maybe not.

Morons! What do you think that Iran teaches terrorists to make VBIEDs out of?
This is how they killed hundreds of Americans in Iraq.

646 VioletTiger  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:26:40am

re: #588 Nevergiveup
The Geithner thing just chaps my ass.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

This guy CHEATED. His employer told him he owed tax and even gave him the money to pay it. When he got caught, he only repaid what he had to, since the statute of limitations wiped out two years he owed. At this rate we won't have any honest Americans in that administration. It's a disgrace.

647 jcm  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:26:45am

re: #603 subsailor68

Hmmm....for some reason I don't think that's an actual picture. That looks more like a ballistic missile sub - maybe ours? (The picture's small, and I couldn't make it bigger.) Has too many masts raised to be needed if it's remotely controlled.


Found the original image...

It's the USS Virgina.

648 Texas Heathen  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:26:53am

Terrorists the world over are now breathing sighs of relief.

649 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:26:56am

re: #580 Kenneth

Did you see the picture? Can you identify what sub that really is? 'Cause it sure don't look like anything the Iranians built.

It's a stock photo of an American submarine. Los Angeles Class. 688i series.

650 kafir  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:27:20am

Our worst fears have been realized.

Welcome to Jimmuh Carter v2.0.

Ohmygodwhathavewedone

651 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:27:20am

re: #629 subsailor68

Believe that's Disneyland (or Disney World).

:-)

Disneyland

652 jcm  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:27:27am

re: #637 Kenneth

Here's a picture of a Virginian class US submarine. By the look of the tower & antennae, it's the same one in the Iranian photo.

Beat me!
;-P

653 brookly red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:27:30am

re: #626 sattv4u2

re: #623 brookly red


but he said he was "SORRY" and EVERYTHING!
Thas good enough if you're a Lib!

are we talking about the same IRS?...

654 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:27:45am

re: #647 jcm

Found the original image...

It's the USS Virgina.

Great eyes you young whippersnapper you!

:-)

It did look like one of our boats - as best I could see.

655 BigMoo  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:28:16am

re: #646 VioletTiger

It's become increasingly clear...there are rules for "them" and there's and a separate set of rules for "us"...Thomas Jefferson would be loading his musket.

656 faraway  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:28:23am

If we have a terrorist attack this year, will the MSM report it?

657 Mike DeGuzman  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:28:23am

Some info from Wikipedia on Adm Blair
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Reports of disobeying orders
Blair reportedly disobeyed orders from civilians in the Clinton Administration during the 1999 East Timorese crisis during his tenure as commander-in-chief of the U.S. Pacific Command. Amid growing international concern over violence against the independence movement in Indonesian-occupied East Timor, Blair was reportedly ordered to meet with General Wiranto, the commander of the Indonesian military, and to tell him to shut down the pro-Indonesia militia. Blair reportedly failed to deliver this message; instead he presented Wiranto with an offer of military assistance and a personal invitation to be Blair's guest in Hawaii. Once U.S. State Department officials discovered that he had not gone through with his orders, he was directed to fix the situation immediately, which resulted in a telephone call to Wiranto in which he again failed to deliver the message that the U.S. disapproved of Indonesian military action in East Timor and they were to cut off funding. Months later, after killings of independence supporters had grown, Blair was sent back to Indonesia, and -- this time following civilian orders -- cut off all American ties to the Indonesian military.

Conflict of interest
His membership on the board of directors of EDO Corporation, a subcontractor for the F-22 Raptor fighter program, and ownership of its stock was raised as a potential conflict of interest after the IDA issued a study that endorsed a three-year contract for the program. Blair told the Washington Post, "My review was not affected at all by my association with EDO Corp., and the report was a good one." He originally chose not to recuse himself because he claimed his link to EDO was not of sufficient "scale" to require it, but subsequently resigned from the EDO board to avoid any misperceptions.
However on Wednesday, December 20, 2006 the Washington Post reported that the US Department of Defense Inspector General's investigation into the affair found Blair had violated IDA's Conflict of Interest rules but did not influence the result of IDA's study. Blair observed, "with all due respect to the Inspector General, I find it hard to understand how I could be criticized for violating conflict of interest standards when I didn't have any influence on the study."

Blair is somewhat renowned in U.S. Naval circles for attempting to water ski behind his destroyer the USS Cochrane (DDG-21)Template:WP Ships USS instances when he was the Skipper.

Nomination to be Director of National Intelligence
The East Timor and Indonesia Action Network opposes Blair's nomination for Director of National Intelligence, saying "His actions demonstrate the failure of engagement to temper the Indonesian military’s behavior and his actions helped to reinforce impunity for senior Indonesian officials that continues to this day.

658 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:28:34am

re: #560 Kenneth
Kinda large for a recon sub, no? And if it can only reach depths of 8 meters (roughly 25 feet) how the hell is it gonna be a "stealth sub" - it'll be visible from the air!

659 yenta-fada  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:28:41am

re: #593 faraway

Confirming Geithner as Treasury Secretary is in line with Obama's entire economic team. In other words, the guys who brought financial disaster upon us will be defending the Fed and Treasury policies. They allowed non-regulation of derivatives, no real power to the SEC, turned a blind eye to the ratings agencies that misrepresented bond values, and repealed the Glass-Steagall Act that separated banks and brokerages. Congress is rolling over and playing dead. Not a good sign.

660 kcladderman  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:29:08am

re: #598 Alberta Oil Peon

Exactly.

It wouldn't surprise to me to learn that Obama does in fact close the prison at Gitmo, but simply relocates the inmates to some secure base within the continental U.S. Alaska, anyone? Aleutian islands?

This guy is awful strong on symbols, and mighty short on substance.

If I have to choose I guess i would rather he be a hypocrite and keep the Bush tactics for fighting terrorism a secret while still using them than to scrap them like he says.

661 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:29:27am

re: #654 subsailor68

Great eyes you young whippersnapper you!

:-)

It did look like one of our boats - as best I could see.

Did you ever consider From what his Guy Blair has said that to be nice we might just be giving the Iranians one of ours?
/ I think I am being sarcastic?

662 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:29:33am

re: #649 lawhawk

It's a stock photo of an American submarine. Los Angeles Class. 688i series.

Maybe it is the Jimmy Carter.

663 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:29:57am

re: #646 VioletTiger

The Geithner thing just chaps my ass.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

This guy CHEATED. His employer told him he owed tax and even gave him the money to pay it. When he got caught, he only repaid what he had to, since the statute of limitations wiped out two years he owed. At this rate we won't have any honest Americans in that administration. It's a disgrace.

I seriously doubt while he is Treasury Secretary he will let the IRS be as forgiving of others if they willfully refuse to pay their taxes.

664 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:30:18am

re: #658 realwest

Kinda large for a recon sub, no? And if it can only reach depths of 8 meters (roughly 25 feet) how the hell is it gonna be a "stealth sub" - it'll be visible from the air!

ROTFL! The air? Heck, it'll be visible from the glass-bottomed boat at Busch Gardens.

665 Guanxi88  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:30:38am

re: #662 Kosh's Shadow

Maybe it is the Jimmy Carter.

That's a laundry ship; saw that on the Simpsons.

666 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:30:38am

re: #637 Kenneth

Here's a picture of a Virginian class US submarine. By the look of the tower & antennae, it's the same one in the Iranian photo.

Nope. That's not quite the boat pictured.

667 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:30:40am

re: #563 Kosh's Shadow
Nope. An attack on the US is about the only thing they won't be able to blame on Bush - with any credibilty anyway.

668 Guanxi88  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:31:46am

re: #667 realwest

Nope. An attack on the US is about the only thing they won't be able to blame on Bush - with any credibilty anyway.

No, he created our enemies by fighting them, creating the conditions of extremism that lead naturally to terrorism.

669 VioletTiger  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:31:47am

re: #650 kafir

Our worst fears have been realized.

Welcome to Jimmuh Carter v2.0.

Ohmygodwhathavewedone


If we use System Restore can we get Bush back?

670 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:32:04am

re: #661 Nevergiveup

Did you ever consider From what his Guy Blair has said that to be nice we might just be giving the Iranians one of ours?
/ I think I am being sarcastic?

There's an old story (think it's true), that when we gave Turkey one of our old diesel boats, the U.S. crew put the Turks through a vigorous training program. The first time they took it out by themselves, they dove...

Straight to the bottom...they'd neglected to shut the hatches.

671 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:32:12am
672 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:32:21am

re: #647 jcm

Perfect!

But how did they Iranians manage to take control of the USS Virginia using a cell phone? How dastardly!

673 brookly red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:32:21am

re: #656 faraway

If we have a terrorist attack this year, will the MSM report it?

Of course they will, but they will blame Bush.

674 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:32:23am

re: #665 Guanxi88

That's a laundry ship; saw that on the Simpsons.

The Nacy has Laundry Ships...DAMN!...I was in the wrong branch of service...*** Damn Army...:)

675 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:32:30am

re: #656 faraway

If we have a terrorist attack this year, will the MSM report it?

One things for certain - The MSM will never link any attack with change in policy. Never.

676 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:32:58am

There is a Press Conference coming up from the WH. Not with Obama, but with his press Secr.

677 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:33:04am
678 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:33:10am

re: #669 VioletTiger

If we use System Restore can we get Bush back?

Sorry, you're stuck with Vista

679 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:33:15am

re: #658 realwest

I think it's a "stealth" sub in the sense that it only exists in somebody's imagination.

680 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:33:39am

Submarines are safer than airplanes. Proof in the fact is there are more airplanes in the water than submarines in the air!

681 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:33:52am

re: #671 Tricky Dick

Go away!

682 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:33:55am

re: #666 lawhawk

re: #647 jcm

JCM gets the prize!

683 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:33:58am

re: #669 VioletTiger

If we use System Restore can we get Bush back?

Even if a proper restore point had been taken the backup files have been corrupted from 8 years of external abuse.

684 BigMoo  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:34:12am

re: #677 albusteve
Yeah, that one kinda freaked me out too.

685 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:34:58am

re: #680 Dustyvet

Submarines are safer than airplanes. Proof in the fact is there are more airplanes in the water than submarines in the air!

Keep the jokes coming. I need something to make me smile today, and tomorrow, and.....

686 akak  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:34:58am
One official said Egypt has been asked to a fuller search once the ship arrives in port.

/now I feel safer!

687 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:35:10am

re: #680 Dustyvet

Submarines are safer than airplanes. Proof in the fact is there are more airplanes in the water than submarines in the air!

Heh, heh. Yep. Although tragic, in the entire history of the nuclear sub Navy, we've only lost two. (Two too many.)

The Russians, on the other hand.....

688 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:35:27am

re: #680 Dustyvet

Submarines are safer than airplanes. Proof in the fact is there are more airplanes in the water than submarines in the air!

How about this one?

689 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:35:43am

re: #678 Kosh's Shadow

Sorry, you're stuck with Vista

The soon-to-be approved government PC operating system.

690 CIA Reject  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:35:50am

re: #604 FurryOldGuyJeans

Queeg is fictional, you know. ;)

The book version Queeg is more O than the movie version.

Regardless of his being fictional, and regardless of which version, Queeg still had redeeming qualities.

I see none in BO.

691 Guanxi88  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:35:57am

re: #685 Nevergiveup

Keep the jokes coming. I need something to make me smile today, and tomorrow, and.....

So the Rabbi says "Who with?"
So the horse says, "At these prices, it's no wonder!"

692 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:35:58am

re: #686 akak

/now I feel safer!

They gonna put the inspectors on it who are responsible got stopping smuggling from the Sinai into Gaza

693 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:36:04am
694 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:36:26am

re: #652 jcm

...but you found the exact same picture, which is what I was looking for. Well done.

695 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:37:34am

re: #630 faraway
" McCain and Graham should be [deleted] at least twice each.

696 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:37:50am

re: #668 Guanxi88

re: #667 realwest


No, he created our enemies by fighting them, creating the conditions of extremism that lead naturally to terrorism.

I'm going with realwest on yhis one. The Dems. and the MFM,but I repeat myself, are going to blame Pres. Bush for alot of things.
But there is no way they're going to lay an attack at his feet.
That One&#8482 and his people have been in the loop for 2 months now, and Obama has his people in place. No freakin' way .

697 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:38:32am

re: #685 Nevergiveup

Keep the jokes coming. I need something to make me smile today, and tomorrow, and.....

How do you sink an Irish Submarine?


Knock on the hatch.

698 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:38:57am

re: #644 kcladderman
I updinged you for it, cause we both know you're kidding!

699 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:39:53am

re: #650 kafir
What do you mean "WE"?!

700 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:40:39am

re: #669 VioletTiger

re: #650 kafir


If we use System Restore can we get Bush back?


It did seem weird when reading this story that they were calling someone else President, and not bashing him for something. I guess it's gonna have to grow on me.

701 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:41:13am

re: #696 x-wing

I'm going with realwest on yhis one. The Dems. and the MFM,but I repeat myself, are going to blame Pres. Bush for alot of things.
But there is no way they're going to lay an attack at his feet.
That One™ and his people have been in the loop for 2 months now, and Obama has his people in place. No freakin' way .


They WILL blame Bush for any attack, whether the American people accept it is a different story.

702 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:42:08am

re: #664 subsailor68
ROTFL! Yes it will!

703 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:42:29am

re: #435 lawhawk

Based on 111 million households in the country (based on US census figures), a $850 billion bailout would work out to $7600 per household. I don't know where anyone gets the $50k figure from...

Now they're talking about $3 to $4 trillion to bail out the banks.

704 jcm  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:42:33am

re: #662 Kosh's Shadow

Maybe it is the Jimmy Carter.

ROFLMAO!
Pefect!

705 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:42:58am

Have you ever heard a moonbat argue that only stupid poor people and minorities enlist in the military because it's their only chance of getting out of poverty?

Here's a nice chart that sinks that lie:

More than 75% of enlisted recruits come from neighborhoods where the median family income is more than $40,000 per year.

706 jcm  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:43:45am

re: #680 Dustyvet

Submarines are safer than airplanes. Proof in the fact is there are more airplanes in the water than submarines in the air!

Okay smart ass.....
The USS Avalon going flying.......
;-)

707 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:43:54am

re: #703 Son of the Black Dog

Now they're talking about $3 to $4 trillion to bail out the banks.

If that is what they are talking about the real price tag will be at least double that.

708 BigMoo  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:44:39am

re: #701 FurryOldGuyJeans

Run another 'Blue Ribbon investigative panel' with the same characters as last time and you'll have a finding that GWB blew up the USS Cole..they've proven they can shape the findings to fit a pre-determined agenda.

709 subsailor68  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:44:46am

re: #706 jcm

Okay smart ass.....
The USS Avalon going flying.......
;-)

Now that's inspired!

710 Guanxi88  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:45:06am

re: #696 x-wing

I'm going with realwest on yhis one. The Dems. and the MFM,but I repeat myself, are going to blame Pres. Bush for alot of things.
But there is no way they're going to lay an attack at his feet.
That One™ and his people have been in the loop for 2 months now, and Obama has his people in place. No freakin' way .

Okay, so here's the argument that will be made, if, G-d forbid, we get hit again:

"Bush's ham-fisted handling of the Mid-East in general resulted in a perception among many Muslims that their faith was under assault. Many of these Muslims misunderstood the tenets of their peaceful faith and were radicalized into terrorist circles.

Planning and preparation for an attack of this scale probably took months, if not years, during which they were further radicalized by our ongoing occupation of Iraq, combat ops in Afghanistan, the detention and torture of inmates at Guantanamo Bay, and suppression and surveillance of Muslims stateside. At some point well before the Obama presidency, they "pulled the trigger" and set things in motion. It just took this long for the blow to land.

Had Bush not stirred these folks up, and had he concentrated on really effective counter-terror measures, Obama would not now be burdened with cleaning up this mess."

Or words to that effect.

711 Marvo76  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:45:21am

re: #667 realwest

re: #563 Kosh's Shadow
Nope. An attack on the US is about the only thing they won't be able to blame on Bush - with any credibilty anyway.

You know they will try, "CNN coorespondant Ben Dover here, As a result of the failed Bush policies, suspected terrorist have detonated an apparent nuclear device in downtown manhattan today. Reports indicate that the warning came as President Obabma was in a meeting with Ammahdinnerjacket, and Osama Bin Laudin in the west room of the white house. The tap dancing Hexbollah chief was also in attendance and all three crossed their hearts and said. "I have been here the whole time, it couldn't have been anyone in OUR organizations" No reports from gound zero on casualties, however Al Jiz era reports that at least half a million jooos were sent to hell to satisfy Allah and they pledge that down town tel aviv is next." Now back to "My unicorn is shitting rainbows" with an interview of SEc. Of state Hilary "road hard" Clinton...

712 jcm  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:45:32am

re: #694 Kenneth

...but you found the exact same picture, which is what I was looking for. Well done.

At first I thought it might one of the Kilo Class but ruled that out real quick. It's definitely modern with all the masts. I checked the new British and US boats. And there she was.

713 justabill  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:45:39am

There's an old concept from the US Civil War and probably earlier. It entailed having a POW about to be released sign a pledge not to take up arms again. This allowed the POW to go back and support his family. It allowed the capturing side to free up resources (food, facilities, guards time) that would be spent housing the prisoner, and use them for other purposes. Both sides respected this parole pledge thus the returning soldier would not be drafted. If the released POW was ever captured on the battlefield again they would be summarily executed, having broken their pledge.

I have heard various numbers as to how many people released from Git-Mo have later been found to be actively involved in terrorism. I assume that at least some of them have been recaptured and I wonder what has become of them.

If we really are going to close Git-Mo, could we at least require a similar pledge. I know the other side would not respect such a pledge, and the ACLU would probably sh*t a brick the first time one of them was shot, but all in all, I think it would be a good idea...

714 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:47:17am

re: #688 Kosh's Shadow

How about this one?

Well there was the Seaview from "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" used to get the crap beat out of it every week, and stay afloat...aww Hollywood...

715 BigMoo  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:47:21am

re: #713 justabill

Good idea...but according to radical mullahs, it's ok to lie to infidels...their pledge won't be worth a US dollar.

716 jcm  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:48:10am

re: #713 justabill

There's an old concept from the US Civil War and probably earlier. It entailed having a POW about to be released sign a pledge not to take up arms again. This allowed the POW to go back and support his family. It allowed the capturing side to free up resources (food, facilities, guards time) that would be spent housing the prisoner, and use them for other purposes. Both sides respected this parole pledge thus the returning soldier would not be drafted. If the released POW was ever captured on the battlefield again they would be summarily executed, having broken their pledge.

I have heard various numbers as to how many people released from Git-Mo have later been found to be actively involved in terrorism. I assume that at least some of them have been recaptured and I wonder what has become of them.

If we really are going to close Git-Mo, could we at least require a similar pledge. I know the other side would not respect such a pledge, and the ACLU would probably sh*t a brick the first time one of them was shot, but all in all, I think it would be a good idea...

During the presser this morning BHO used the phrase "dispose the detainnees" meaning of course what to do with them, I thought "now there's an idea....."

717 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:48:42am

re: #711 Marvo76

Marvo, you're just soooo over the top.

718 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:48:43am

re: #668 Guanxi88
Uh uh. The terrorists already attacked the US on 9/11 and Bush kept us safe for SEVEN LONG YEARS; suddenly Obama is POTUS and they attack us? Nope, no way they can blame that on Bush with any credibility at all.

719 brookly red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:48:59am

re: #713 justabill

There's an old concept from the US Civil War and probably earlier. It entailed having a POW about to be released sign a pledge not to take up arms again. This allowed the POW to go back and support his family. It allowed the capturing side to free up resources (food, facilities, guards time) that would be spent housing the prisoner, and use them for other purposes. Both sides respected this parole pledge thus the returning soldier would not be drafted. If the released POW was ever captured on the battlefield again they would be summarily executed, having broken their pledge.

I have heard various numbers as to how many people released from Git-Mo have later been found to be actively involved in terrorism. I assume that at least some of them have been recaptured and I wonder what has become of them.

If we really are going to close Git-Mo, could we at least require a similar pledge. I know the other side would not respect such a pledge, and the ACLU would probably sh*t a brick the first time one of them was shot, but all in all, I think it would be a good idea...

WTF?

720 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:49:04am

re: #706 jcm

Okay smart ass.....
The USS Avalon going flying.......
;-)

One sub to how many planes?

And I did airplane work when I was in the Navy.

721 Guanxi88  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:49:11am

re: #715 BigMoo

Good idea...but according to radical mullahs, it's ok to lie to infidels...their pledge won't be worth a US dollar.

But what is that in Zimbabwean dollars? A whole lot, that's what.

1 USD = 28828401.35 ZWD.

Now THAT's real money.

722 jcbunga  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:49:35am

There are only a few possible explanations for foolishness such as this--

1.They honestly do not perceive a threat
2.They are inviting an attack a la the FDR/Pearl Harbor troofers
3.They are collectively the dumbest bastards on the planet
4.The ROP has surrendered, gotten a shower and a shave

The kids now have the keys.

Not much the adults can do until the cops call and say the Chevy's been driven into the manure pond again.

But have no doubt. The Chevy is going in the manure pond.

723 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:50:01am

re: #714 Dustyvet

I loved that show! Now my age is showing...

724 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:50:10am

re: #718 realwest

Uh uh. The terrorists already attacked the US on 9/11 and Bush kept us safe for SEVEN LONG YEARS; suddenly Obama is POTUS and they attack us? Nope, no way they can blame that on Bush with any credibility at all.

We get attacked again, and the troofers ain't got a leg to stand on...:)

725 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:50:13am

re: #672 Kenneth
They had the right phone number?!

726 Guanxi88  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:50:24am

re: #718 realwest

Uh uh. The terrorists already attacked the US on 9/11 and Bush kept us safe for SEVEN LONG YEARS; suddenly Obama is POTUS and they attack us? Nope, no way they can blame that on Bush with any credibility at all.

Who says credibility? I'm just speculating on how absolutely NOTHING that goes sideways from Tuesday, January 20, 2009, forward, will be Obama's fault.

727 Marvo76  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:50:30am

re: #715 BigMoo

At todays rates the US Dollar ain't worth much either....
////

728 justabill  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:50:35am

re: #715 BigMoo

re: #713 justabill

Good idea...but according to radical mullahs, it's ok to lie to infidels...their pledge won't be worth a US dollar.

I didn't say they would honor it, only we could shoot them when they were found again. I'd much rather lock em up till hell freezes over, but if were going to release them...

729 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:50:37am

re: #708 BigMoo

Run another 'Blue Ribbon investigative panel' with the same characters as last time and you'll have a finding that GWB blew up the USS Cole..they've proven they can shape the findings to fit a pre-determined agenda.

Why bother with a do-nothing Blue Ribbon Panel? Just hand him over to the Hague and the World Court for war crimes. I believe they have already pronounced sentence.

730 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:51:30am

re: #673 brookly red
Please see my #718.

731 Guanxi88  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:51:35am

re: #724 Dustyvet

We get attacked again, and the troofers ain't got a leg to stand on...:)

Nope, the second time will be to punish America for voting the NeoZioCorpoCons out.

732 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:52:06am

re: #642 Kenneth

good advice

re: #718 realwest

Uh uh. The terrorists already attacked the US on 9/11 and Bush kept us safe for SEVEN LONG YEARS; suddenly Obama is POTUS and they attack us? Nope, no way they can blame that on Bush with any credibility at all.


#1,, when have they ever reported anything with any credibility at all.? And #2, you're naive if you think they CAN'T pin it on Bush.Want the headline?
PAST POLICIES MADE US LESS SAFE!

733 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:52:06am

re: #718 realwest

With the msm working for him? You know they will. Anything bad happens from now on will be blamed on Bush. Sadly, most people will believe it. Logic, evidence & sanity are irrelevant in the Age of Obama.

734 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:52:43am

re: #679 Kenneth
Ah! Yeah, you're probably right about that!
8 meters depth?! LOL!

735 brookly red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:53:09am

re: #722 jcbunga


But have no doubt. The Chevy is going in the manure pond.

Thats silly, how could a Chevy get up Capitol steps Huh,huh?

736 Marvo76  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:53:13am

re: #717 unrealizedviewpoint


HOw so, did I forget the sarc tag again?

737 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:53:15am

re: #680 Dustyvet
ROTFLMAO!

738 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:53:22am

re: #713 justabill

The Israelis make the released terrorists sign something similar, but they go right back to terrorism.

739 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:53:26am

re: #723 Kenneth

I loved that show! Now my age is showing...

I was got appraised on last weeks Antique Road Show...:)

740 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:54:11am

re: #725 realwest

You can text the sub at the address provided on the jihadi's facebook page.

741 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:55:34am

re: #714 Dustyvet

Well there was the Seaview from "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" used to get the crap beat out of it every week, and stay afloat...aww Hollywood...

The Seaview never flew, but it carried the flying sub. My link was to that flying sub.

742 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:55:42am

re: #696 x-wing
Thank you, but of course we both really hope it doesn't happen at all.
Just afraid it might.

743 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:55:56am

re: #717 unrealizedviewpoint

Marvo, you're just soooo over the top.

What he said was pretty much spot on with what the FMSM will try to do IMO. The truth hurts, eh?

744 brookly red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:56:11am

re: #730 realwest

yup

745 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:56:19am

re: #718 realwest

re: #668 Guanxi88
Uh uh. The terrorists already attacked the US on 9/11 and Bush kept us safe for SEVEN LONG YEARS; suddenly Obama is POTUS and they attack us? Nope, no way they can blame that on Bush with any credibility at all.

Agreed. They may try to blame Bush, but they know they'll be lying, and so will I.

746 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:56:59am

re: #736 Marvo76

HOw so, did I forget the sarc tag again?

Someone needs a sarcasm transplant.

And it ain't you.

747 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:57:05am

re: #701 FurryOldGuyJeans
Please note that I said they couldn't blame Bush with any credibility. I have no doubt that they'll try but I don't think they can succeed.

748 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:57:24am

re: #617 sattv4u2

again, I implore you to widen your circle of aquantences!

It'd be, probably, an eye-opener, I'll admit.
Not easily done, sattv, Kenneth. Your advice is good.

BBL all.

749 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:57:37am

re: #741 Kosh's Shadow

My brother & I used to watch that show while sitting in cardboard boxes painted up like subs. I had the flying sub. We would act out every adventure together. Good times!

750 zelnaga  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:57:51am

Looking at wikipedia.org, I'm not sure Dennis Blair is going to be in charge of the CIA. Indeed, it looks like Michael Hayden still holds that position. If I'm understanding it correctly, though, Dennis Blair is basically Michael Hayden's boss?

751 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:58:04am

re: #736 Marvo76

HOw so, did I forget the sarc tag again?

If you can't see it. I can't help ya. Go read again your #711

752 razorbacker  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:58:13am

Wearing Out Men And Machines

Because the Special Forces troops are the product of an exacting screening and training process, they are in big demand by intelligence agencies as well. Special Forces operators (as members of the Special Forces are called) who retired or quit in the last decade have been sought out and offered opportunities to get back in the business. If not with one of the five active duty groups, then with training operations, or to work with the intelligence agencies.

Most Americans tend to forget that the U.S. Special Forces are a unique organization in military, and intelligence, history. No other nation has anything like the Special Forces, and never has. The idea of training thousands of troops to very high standards, then having them study foreign languages and cultures, is unique to the Special Forces. The war on terror is the kind of war Special Forces are perfectly suited to dealing with. But now that this unique kind of war is under way, we find that those soldiers uniquely suited to fighting it are in short supply. This is largely because Special Forces set high standards, and has resisted all attempts to lower those standards. One hard lesson the Special Forces has learned in past fifty years is that lowering standards just increases the chances of failure, and getting your people killed.

753 brookly red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:58:24am

re: #747 realwest

Please note that I said they couldn't blame Bush with any credibility. I have no doubt that they'll try but I don't think they can succeed.

you can fool some of the people all of the time...

754 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:58:46am

re: #746 FurryOldGuyJeans

Someone needs a sarcasm transplant.

And it ain't you.

Can we just assume for at least the next 4 years every comment at LGF will be freighted with heavy bitter sarcasm?

755 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:58:48am

re: #748 Taqiyyotomist

It'd be, probably, an eye-opener, I'll admit.
Not easily done, sattv, Kenneth. Your advice is good.

BBL all.

It's as easy as WANTING TOO

756 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:59:12am

re: #741 Kosh's Shadow

The Seaview never flew, but it carried the flying sub. My link was to that flying sub.

aww, I was on the phone...and had a senior moment...I get those about ten to 15 times a week now...:)

757 Marvo76  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:59:33am

with his karma rating I wouldn't have expected that kind of reaction to a parody, but hey I am still fairly new here so I guess if I get to caught up in the moment that I might need to tone it down a bit....

758 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 10:59:43am

re: #710 Guanxi88
BUT - the problem with that excuse is that it was used already on 9/11 "US foreign policy in the ME......".
NOPE, no way Obama can credibly blame Bush for any future attacks - which I pray DON'T OCCUR.

759 AuntAcid  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:00:08am

re: #729 FurryOldGuyJeans

re: #708 BigMoo


Why bother with a do-nothing Blue Ribbon Panel? Just hand him over to the Hague and the World Court for war crimes. I believe they have already pronounced sentence.

Oh fer Christs sake -Why don't we just tie a freaking yellow ribbon around the whole WOT thingy and call it quits.

760 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:00:36am

re: #750 zelnaga

Obama nominated Leon Panetta to be CIA Director. He has not yet taken over the position.

761 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:00:43am

re: #743 FurryOldGuyJeans

What he said was pretty much spot on with what the FMSM will try to do IMO. The truth hurts, eh?

That's off the wall. But, if you agree with him you need go change your ding. You downdinged him.

762 jcm  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:00:47am

re: #720 FurryOldGuyJeans

One sub to how many planes?

And I did airplane work when I was in the Navy.

C-5 can carry the Avalon or Mystic DSRV, the whole sub and crew. They design them to be air transportable by C-5 to the nearest airfield to a sunken sub. Both the Mystic and Avalon have been mothballed.

763 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:01:17am

re: #667 realwest

Nope. An attack on the US is about the only thing they won't be able to blame on Bush - with any credibilty anyway.

The FMSM is not concerned with credibility, why else be so in the tank for O? Sadly there will be Americans who will believe any crap they shovel if it blames Bush, truth need not apply.

764 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:01:37am

re: #716 jcm
Good, nay, great thought!

765 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:02:51am

re: #747 realwest

Please note that I said they couldn't blame Bush with any credibility. I have no doubt that they'll try but I don't think they can succeed.

I noted that. But credibility rests with the American people, and there are enough that will believe anything the FMSM dishes out if it blames Bush.

766 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:03:13am

re: #762 jcm

C-5 can carry the Avalon or Mystic DSRV, the whole sub and crew. They design them to be air transportable by C-5 to the nearest airfield to a sunken sub. Both the Mystic and Avalon have been mothballed.

Interesting. I had heard that the DSRVs really weren't useful for rescue, because for most of the oceans, any lost sub would sink below crush depth, but they were a cover for their use for espionage.

767 x-wing  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:03:18am

re: #742 realwest

re: #696 x-wing
Thank you, but of course we both really hope it doesn't happen at all.
Just afraid it might.

I hope it doesn't, but I'm not getting good vibes. Everyone wants us to give Obama a chance. Well , I gave him 48 hrs. ,and I fear for our country now more than ever.

768 Amer-I-Can  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:03:20am

re: #163 faraway

Hussein may change our "stained" flag. Solid white.

Damn, we may have to start speaking French!

769 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:03:52am

re: #750 zelnaga

Now this is interesting, from your link:

Reports of disobeying orders

Blair reportedly disobeyed orders from civilians in the Clinton Administration during the 1999 East Timorese crisis during his tenure as commander-in-chief of the U.S. Pacific Command. Amid growing international concern over violence against the independence movement in Indonesian-occupied East Timor, Blair was reportedly ordered to meet with General Wiranto, the commander of the Indonesian military, and to tell him to shut down the pro-Indonesia militia. Blair reportedly failed to deliver this message; instead he presented Wiranto with an offer of military assistance and a personal invitation to be Blair's guest in Hawaii. Once U.S. State Department officials discovered that he had not gone through with his orders, he was directed to fix the situation immediately, which resulted in a telephone call to Wiranto in which he again failed to deliver the message that the U.S. disapproved of Indonesian military action in East Timor and they were to cut off funding.[7] Months later, after killings of independence supporters had grown, Blair was sent back to Indonesia, and -- this time following civilian orders -- cut off all American ties to the Indonesian military.[8]

Is this really the kind of man we want as Director of National Intelligence?

770 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:04:47am

re: #759 AuntAcid

Oh fer Christs sake -Why don't we just tie a freaking yellow ribbon around the whole WOT thingy and call it quits.

O is having that EO written as we speak.

771 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:04:47am

re: #733 Kenneth Well of course they will try to blame Bush - I'm saying it won't work. Even though a majority of Americans were stupid enough to elect him, they aren't going to be stupid enough to not connect the dots: Bush as president, no attacks in SEVEN years. Obama as president, attacks in.............!

772 Marvo76  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:04:49am

re: #751 unrealizedviewpoint

re: #736 Marvo76


If you can't see it. I can't help ya. Go read again your #711

Ok I did, I made fun of three terror figures that Big O is supposed to try to open dialog with, Clinton for what will be a constnt "road trip" of trying to be a success in her SEc Of state duties, and CNN for their obvious bias in their reporting. I also refered to The terror network news Al Jizzerra (mispelled on purpose) and how they would cover the issue. I guess I need a bit of a hint....

773 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:04:53am

Senate To New DoD Team: Fix Acquisition

For those who watch the money, there was one persistent theme through the lightly-attended confirmation hearing for the new Pentagon leadership team: the money pool will shrink and the military must improve how well it develops and buys weapons.

Anyone seeing a pattern here...?


[Link: www.dodbuzz.com...]

774 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:05:48am

re: #740 Kenneth
ROTFL!

775 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:06:42am

re: #771 realwest

You have greater faith than I, my friend. No offense, but with the media blowing Obama Hope 24/7 people will believe it. I'm sorry.

776 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:07:17am

re: #761 unrealizedviewpoint

That's off the wall. But, if you agree with him you need go change your ding. You downdinged him.

YOU think it is off the wall, fair enough. I have a far less generous view of the treasonous media than you do, it seems.

And I didn't downding, my finger slipped. But I do appreciate the notification so I can correct the mistake.

777 brookly red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:08:58am

re: #771 realwest

Well of course they will try to blame Bush - I'm saying it won't work. Even though a majority of Americans were stupid enough to elect him, they aren't going to be stupid enough to not connect the dots: Bush as president, no attacks in SEVEN years. Obama as president, attacks in.............!

I admire your faith in your fellow Americans, but it seems to have worked so far...

778 Kenneth  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:09:51am

Oil of Obama!

779 realwest  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:09:59am

re: #769 Kenneth
Do ya think he'd disobey orders from Hillary? The man's stupid and dangerous but has some sense of self-preservation!

780 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:10:40am

re: #775 Kenneth

You have greater faith than I, my friend. No offense, but with the media blowing Obama Hope 24/7 people will believe it. I'm sorry.

The crux of the argument lies in the gullibility of the American people, and in the light of the last election results I have to agree with you that blaming Bush will be accepted for some time to come.

781 mattm  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:11:43am

It's only been two days and he has failed his oath.

782 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:12:00am

re: #777 brookly red

I admire your faith in your fellow Americans, but it seems to have worked so far...

And I don't see it changing any time soon simply because the media won't.

783 pie22  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:12:09am

"Hunt down those terrorists who seek to do us harm". Those are the words of a GREAT LEADER, the same words the left used to mercilessly bash him with for 8 years,yet, that is all that remains of his policy. These people are devious. I strongly dislikee this new administration.

784 brookly red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:12:13am

re: #779 realwest

Do ya think he'd disobey orders from Hillary? The man's stupid and dangerous but has some sense of self-preservation!

Ooooow, Hillary vs Michelle... what is the Vagas line?

785 jcm  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:13:27am

re: #766 Kosh's Shadow

Interesting. I had heard that the DSRVs really weren't useful for rescue, because for most of the oceans, any lost sub would sink below crush depth, but they were a cover for their use for espionage.

Possible, they are only battery powered so range etc aren't great. They did have a universal mating collar so they could fit on Russia boats. The Russians lost a couple in shallow water, we may have poke around with them. The USS Parche and now the Jimmy Carter are are main SOF boats. The Parche could have mated with and used the DSRV as a platform for intel SOF ops.

786 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:13:30am
787 Marvo76  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:13:37am

re: #784 brookly red

I am saying 7-5 On hillary, but then again I have never seen her box....not sure I would want to either.../////////////

788 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:14:35am

re: #779 realwest

Do ya think he'd disobey orders from Hillary? The man's stupid and dangerous but has some sense of self-preservation!

Disobey orders from Hillary? You have got to be kidding, right? O would sooner throw her to wolves than let someone else dictate policy. He is a narcissist of the first water.

789 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:14:36am

re: #778 Kenneth

Oil of Obama!

didn't know that hope came with an aroma...go figure...

790 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:16:02am

re: #789 Dustyvet

didn't know that hope came with an aroma...go figure...

Is the "ONE" getting royalties on this junk?

791 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:16:17am

re: #788 FurryOldGuyJeans

Oops, disregard. I spoke out of turn. My bad.

*blush*

792 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:17:22am

re: #789 Dustyvet

didn't know that hope came with an aroma...go figure...

You must not have heard about the stink on O's plane during the campaign then. ;)

793 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:18:01am

re: #792 FurryOldGuyJeans

You must not have heard about the stink on O's plane during the campaign then. ;)

Oh that Hope...I forgot thanks...:)

794 brookly red  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:18:46am

re: #787 Marvo76

I am saying 7-5 On hillary, but then again I have never seen her box....not sure I would want to either.../////////////

OK! 2,000 carbon credits on Hill, but it ain't boxin it's a cage...

795 Dustyvet  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:19:24am

re: #792 FurryOldGuyJeans

You must not have heard about the stink on O's plane during the campaign then. ;)

If they bottling that and trying to market it, it'd going to fall right on it's dime. ;)

796 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:28:18am

Oval Office decorum
JFK - shirtsleeves
LBJ - shirtsleeves rarely, usually coat and tie
RMN - coat and tie
Ford - coat and tie
Carter - sweaters
Reagan - coat and tie
GHWB - coat and tie
Clinton - pants optional
GWB - coat and tie

797 zelnaga  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:32:03am

re: #760 Kenneth

Obama nominated Leon Panetta to be CIA Director. He has not yet taken over the position.

Ah - that makes sense. Michael Hayden staying on would have surprised me, but then again, he is keeping Robert Gates on board, so it wouldn't have been without precedent.

re: #769 Kenneth

Now this is interesting, from your link:

Is this really the kind of man we want as Director of National Intelligence?

Yeah... I don't understand this at all. Douglas MacArthur and Billy Mitchell were dismissed when they tried to run around the president, and this guy just continues to serve until his retirement? This just doesn't make any sense to me.

798 jcm  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:37:02am

re: #796 lifeofthemind

Oval Office decorum
JFK - shirtsleeves
LBJ - shirtsleeves rarely, usually coat and tie
RMN - coat and tie
Ford - coat and tie
Carter - sweaters
Reagan - coat and tie
GHWB - coat and tie
Clinton - pants optional
GWB - coat and tie

JFK - shirtsleeves (D)
LBJ - shirtsleeves rarely, usually coat and tie (D)
RMN - coat and tie (R)
Ford - coat and tie (R)
Carter - sweaters (D)
Reagan - coat and tie (R)
GHWB - coat and tie (R)
Clinton - pants optional (D)
GWB - coat and tie (R)
BHO - shirtsleeves (D)

Anyone else see a pattern regarding respect for the Office of The President of The United States of America?

799 HippieforLife  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:41:46am

re: #585 jcm

Yep, it's all about the "O".

800 azul93gt  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:50:13am

This the natural by product of an electorate that places the absolute worst of the blame America first bunch into the highest seats of power. I knew this $hlt was going to happen, but they're even more in your face about it than I'd imagined.

801 hazzyday  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:52:38am

Adm Blair has to be as naive as they come. Companies do this all the time. Change a brand name to get away from bad publicity. But the product remains the same. The marketing remains the same.

What he really needs to do is to vocalize that Jihadism is the problem not America incarcerating jihadis.

Also, Gitmo was just a convenient excuse for people who already hated America to lodge a false series of complaints. To buy into the bad American image thoughts they have is to move to their side. That is where the Admiral finds himself.

American has a bad image because GWB stood up to fanatics that wanted to kill us and ours. And the world MSM didn't like it.

802 hazzyday  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:54:55am

re: #798 jcm

He is definitely trying to imitate JFK in lots of subtle ways. I wonder who today's Marylin Monroe is? He is trying to assert authority based on image and not on substance.

I can only imagine what a crisis (that he hasn't manufactured) is going to look like. He is troofer gold.

803 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:56:00am

re: #629 subsailor68

Believe that's Disneyland (or Disney World).

:-)

The writing on the conning tower says "Ethan Allen"!

804 MadHamster  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:58:24am

It's amazing how many of these people have calendars that only go up to September 10.

805 ShalomMets  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 11:58:38am

Restore our moral standing in the world?
Among whom exactly- Iran, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Europe?
Are we really supposed to care what they think?

Frankly, the more upset at the United States they are the happier I am because that means we are acting in our own interests and not apologizing for it.

806 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:05:57pm
807 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:31:23pm
808 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 12:43:23pm

I expect to see much more of this guy now.

809 BIGDUKE 6  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 6:20:29pm

re: #10 buzzsawmonkey

Intelligence agencies working with Iran on things "of mutual interest?"

Does that mean that the CIA will share its intel on Israel with Iran?

What mutual interests could the USA possibly have with IRan. Iran is clearly THE numero uno sponsor of Islamic terrorism since 1979 ?

810 Idle Drifter  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:11:45pm

Late 2 cents:

WE ARE @#$%ED!

811 tridente  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 7:47:36pm

Oh Jesus. Why do I have to be in the intelligence community at this particular point in history?

We're so screwed it's hard to put it into words.

Intelligence's function is to obtain useful information on an adversary in a timely manner and get it to decision makers. PERIOD. It is a DEPARTMENT OF STATE function to search out "opportunities". Thanks be to God I can retire in 5 years. Here's hoping nothing completely ridiculous happens before then.

If we (intel) are led by people who do not know this very basic delineation of roles and responsibilities, things are gonna get bad.

812 Tisto  Thu, Jan 22, 2009 8:39:18pm

How's about we reopen Alcatraz as a prison and move the Gitmo prisoners there? Then they could be in the back yards of Pelosi and Feinstein, and have convenient access to 9th Circuit Court of Appeals...

813 Sacred Plants  Fri, Jan 23, 2009 1:55:19am

Intelligence agencies should seek ways of working with Islamic leaders and countries such as Iran on issues of mutual interest?

In other words, the working relationship the Drug Enforcement Administration maintained with its Pasdaran colleagues all through the Bush years would now be a prototype for all branches of the government?

*giggle*


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