Blago's Appointed Senator Admits Lying!

Blago’s Appointed Senator Admits Lying!

PoliticsFebruary 2009 • Views: 2,587

You have got to be kidding me. Burris changes story on Senate seat.

U.S. Sen. Roland Burris, who repeatedly denied anyone tied to disgraced former Gov. Rod Blagojevich solicited him for cash in exchange for his seat, now acknowledges Blagojevich’s brother asked him three times to help with fundraising.

In an affidavit Burris quietly filed nine days ago with the head of the House committee that recommended Blagojevich’s impeachment, Illinois’ new junior senator also said he spoke with three close associates of the governor about being appointed to the Senate. Prior, Burris only acknowledged having spoken to one such friend.

Burris said he refused the fundraising request for Blagojevich, who was removed from office after being charged Dec. 9 with corruption, including trying to sell the Senate seat Burris now holds. The new affidavit—filed only after he was seated in Congress—is Burris’ third account of what happened behind the scenes preceding Blagojevich’s decision to pick him as President Barack Obama’s replacement in the Senate.

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202 comments

zombie Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:07:59pm

The Obama Administration is more corrupt than any since Coolidge, and no one cares.

Sharmuta Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:08:39pm

Politicians lie. Especially leftist ones.

Nevergiveup Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:08:49pm

re: #1 zombie

The Obama Administration is more corrupt than any since Coolidge, and no one cares.

It's not even been a month yet. Give it time. Give it time.

zombie Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:08:50pm

Excuse me: Harding, not Coolidge.

(Teapot Dome.)

brookly red Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:09:05pm

the third one sticks...

midwestgak Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:09:07pm

Are there any honest democrates? Please name one if you know.

Bloodnok Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:11:04pm

Call the stonemason. This would look good chiseled onto his mausoleum.

Randall Gross Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:11:09pm

Liar liar blago's on fire, hang him up on the wiretap line.

Dr. Shalit Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:11:27pm

"...Here They Go Again..." - Ronald W. Reagan

-S-

JammieWearingFool Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:11:38pm

The Chicago way, bitches!

zombie Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:11:43pm

Remove this schmuck from office ASAP.

He lied about a crucial detail in order to get the seat handed to him.

And personally, I suspect this isn't the full truth either.

FightingBack Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:12:03pm

What's the big deal? They don't think there's anything wrong with this. Business as usual for them.

opnion Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:12:15pm

Moving Chicago corruption to DC will be a real revelation.
There has always been corruption in the Capital., but this Chicgao thuggery will set a new standard.

[deleted] Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:12:26pm

Nevergiveup Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:12:28pm

re: #6 midwestgak

Are there any honest democrates? Please name one if you know.

John Connally. Oh I forgot he switched parties....never mind.

Ojoe Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:12:52pm

Son of a bitch

[deleted] Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:13:15pm

Shr_Nfr Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:13:59pm

He came forward and filed a correction:
"Mr. Burris issued a statement Saturday saying he voluntarily gave the committee a Feb. 4 affidavit disclosing the contact with Robert Blagojevich because "there were several facts that I was not given the opportunity to make during my testimony to the impeachment committee."" I think that way he handled this will not be fatal to him. Just One Mans Opinion. Your mileage may vary. If somebody else had come forward with it, like Blago's brother, he would have been dead meat.

My 2 Cents Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:14:22pm

So what can be done about it? Will any Democrat senator dare to oppose the legitimacy of the only African-American senator? If so, that would give me hope that we are entering a "post-racial" America. But then, if I was big believer in hope, I might have voted for Obama.

zombie Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:14:40pm

re: #17 ploome hineni

how can he be removed, and who has the will or power to do this?

The Senate can vote to impeach him.

As if...

JammieWearingFool Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:14:49pm

Perhaps in deference to his greatness and all the legislative triumphs he led in the Senate this seat should be retired.

Obama is just so great, no one man or woman could possibly ever fill his shoes.

capitalist piglet Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:14:51pm

re: #17 ploome hineni

how can he be removed, and who has the will or power to do this?

Wasn't there some resistance (from Democrats) to seating him in the first place? This should make it easy to drum him out, if they still want to.

opnion Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:15:00pm

re: #17 ploome hineni

how can he be removed, and who has the will or power to do this?

Not gonna happen, Dems in control. In one sense though , there is an upside. The Republicans have a reasonable chance to win the seat.

CommonMan Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:15:16pm

Does anyone know what is the official procedure for a recall of a senator? I suspect that the process might take longer than he has left in the office.

TedStriker Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:15:20pm

SURPRISE SURPRISE SURPRISE!

/Gomer Pyle mode off

zombie Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:16:29pm

re: #21 JammieWearingFool

Perhaps in deference to his greatness and all the legislative triumphs he led in the Senate this seat should be retired.

Obama is just so great, no one man or woman could possibly ever fill his shoes.

99 barrels of dung in DC, 99 barrels of dung...

Shr_Nfr Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:16:43pm

re: #17 ploome hineni

The Senate can remove him. Section 5 Article 1 of the Constitution: "Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behavior, and, with the Concurrence of two-thirds, expel a Member." Ain't going to happen over this. A dead girl or a live boy seems to be level of what it takes.

Kosh's Shadow Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:17:04pm

I'm shocked, shocked, that a politician lies!

Nevergiveup Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:17:22pm

re: #21 JammieWearingFool

Perhaps in deference to his greatness and all the legislative triumphs he led in the Senate this seat should be retired.

Obama is just so great, no one man or woman could possibly ever fill his shoes.

Jimmy Hoffa?

Catttt Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:18:31pm

Situation normal for the O admin - as corrupt as Chicago politics - is anyone surprised?

The Dems wanted him. Did they want this? That would seem to be the case, since I don't hear much outrage.

Ojoe Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:19:06pm

re: #24 CommonMan

The process could take all of 30 minutes if the Senate wasn't basically corrupt.

DistantThunder Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:19:14pm

Character Counts. I think potential politicians should go to a school that reminds them how to get and maintain the public trust.

Nevergiveup Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:19:18pm

The Military History channel is doing a thing on the JAG Corp. I think this was before Obama decided to circumvent the whole process.

Catttt Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:19:26pm

re: #29 Nevergiveup

Jimmy Hoffa?

If you could find what's left of him, he might fill the toe of one shoe..../

Lee Coller Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:19:54pm

re: #24 CommonMan

Does anyone know what is the official procedure for a recall of a senator? I suspect that the process might take longer than he has left in the office.

You can't recall a senator. The senate can under the constitution remove a member just like the house can.

ornery elephant Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:19:55pm

And I had such high hopes for an honest trustworthy politician to emerge from Chicago.

yesandno Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:20:01pm

re: #1 zombie

The Obama Administration is more corrupt than any since Coolidge, and no one cares.

And this achieved in less then 3 weeks. What will it be like in 3 years?

6pat6 Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:20:02pm

Jeez, it's a 150-year old tradition of proud Chicago graft and corruption! Did anyone really expect anything different to happen here?

brookly red Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:20:03pm

re: #6 midwestgak

Are there any honest democrates? Please name one if you know.

OK, I just for fun ran a search for honest democrats and if I read this right, out of 27 MILLION entries on Google only the name "Steve Ybarra" came up as an honest democrat...
I have no idea who he is.
just sayin

davinvalkri Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:20:14pm

All right. Who's surprised here?
And how much media play is this getting?

Nevergiveup Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:20:21pm

re: #32 DistantThunder

Character Counts. I think potential politicians should go to a school that reminds them how to get and maintain the public trust.

They'd never get in to one of the Service Academies.

[deleted] Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:21:21pm

Biff Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:21:30pm

How much did Obama pay for his Ill Senate seat and to knockout Palmer's nominating petition? How much did Rahm pay Blago for the House seat? How much did Barack kick in for the US Senate Seat?

Crickets.

Shr_Nfr Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:21:41pm

re: #30 Catttt

If the Republicans are smart, they will not do the religious right thing, and campaign on honesty and smaller government in 2010 and 2012. They will probably get the religious right vote anyway without having to pander to it. I figure that after 2 years of outright falsehood and corruption, there may be some folks who could be swung to people who are honest.

Yankee Division Son Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:21:53pm

"...including trying to sell the Senate seat Burris now holds. "

Hmm. I wonder why they didn't mention who vacated said seat? Let's see.. what news source is this? Heh.. Chicago Tibune.

[deleted] Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:22:26pm

ornery elephant Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:22:34pm

Even with this revelation, Burris is STILL cleaner than the politicians that Obama picked to take his spot.

6pat6 Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:22:50pm

Hell, when you have a State where SIX governors have been convicted of crimes, jailed, and/or impeached, what do people expect? President Lincoln was probably the last decent pol to come from Illinois, and even he had some problems.

[deleted] Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:23:15pm

Randall Gross Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:23:17pm

re: #24 CommonMan

Does anyone know what is the official procedure for a recall of a senator? I suspect that the process might take longer than he has left in the office.

It varies state to state, Illinois will have it's own rules.

Shr_Nfr Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:23:25pm

re: #29 Nevergiveup

Going to cement a relationship so to speak?

akak Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:23:34pm

Obama dropping sanctions against those aiding Iranian nuke missile program.

/where is the swear word dictionary dear?

Yankee Division Son Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:23:39pm

re: #45 Yankee Division Son

Ahh.. it's higher up in the article. My bad

[deleted] Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:24:06pm

wiffersnapper Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:24:11pm

he CHANGED his story, ha

akak Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:24:14pm

Good thing he's not Muslim, we'd really be in for it.

rawmuse Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:24:39pm

The scorpion will be a scorpion. No surprise here.

Shr_Nfr Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:24:46pm

re: #49 Nevergiveup

Drowning is out. Ted is still there. Body parts are the only thing. And then maybe you could duck that if you said you were storing them for somebody.

unclassifiable Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:24:57pm

re: #26 zombie

We will need to be very watchful of all these programs when the appropriations for them roll out.

Obama and his Dem buddies have billions of payback with a fig leaf of oversight on the Dem pet projects but plenty on anything left over from the Bush administration.

The next step in this dance will be the actual regular appropriation bills that still need to be done. Look for huge cuts in law enforcement, DHS, ICE, commerce, and defense.

Ojoe Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:25:13pm

re: #52 akak

Really?

A nuke wired to a gps unit set for a us port and delivered in an un-inspected shipping container is probably in store for us.

quickjustice Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:25:37pm

Don't start slobbering yet! There's still time for him to change it again!

6pat6 Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:25:38pm

re: #58 Shr_Nfr

Body parts are the only thing. And then maybe you could duck that if you said you were storing them for somebody.

That excuse would probably hold water for a (D) Senator.

Kosh's Shadow Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:25:40pm

re: #52 akak

Obama dropping sanctions against those aiding Iranian nuke missile program.

/where is the swear word dictionary dear?

Link?
Although I admit, I wouldn't put it past him.

[deleted] Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:26:16pm

6pat6 Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:27:21pm

I put nothing past BHO and his cronies and accomplices. Nothing. He is going to great lengths to out-Clinton Clinton. And, in just four weeks, he has done just that.

God help us all.

brookly red Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:28:32pm

Oooopps. never mind.

Charles Johnson Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:28:43pm

I'm going to be deleting comments about melanin, etc.

JCM Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:29:08pm

A Chicago Politician lying!

I've never heard of such an outrageous accusation!

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6pat6 Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:29:11pm

Has BHO started construction of his Great Pyramid in DC yet? Those things take 25 years or so to build, you know. I figure that would be part of his Spendulus package...you know, for his posterity and all.

Ojoe Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:29:11pm

re: #67 Charles

Nevergiveup Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:29:13pm

Why was my 49 deleted. Besides the fact that I misspelled something?

MandyManners Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:29:37pm

re: #52 akak

Obama dropping sanctions against those aiding Iranian nuke missile program.

/where is the swear word dictionary dear?

Would a grammar lesson work?

Wishing Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:29:53pm

Kinda OT, but did you all see that HR 40 has been resurrected?
HR 40

Nevergiveup Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:30:00pm

re: #67 Charles

I'm going to be deleting comments about melanin, etc.

The congressman was what he was and the senator I mentioned was white so I don't really get it.

DistantThunder Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:30:07pm

Anyone who thinks that it is a huge coincidenece that Obama is associated with all these corrupt politicians - raise your hand.

CharlieBravo Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:31:47pm

Change, change, change -- wake me when the change stops...zzz

Youtube Video

chicagodudewhotrades Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:32:18pm

I do believe that Chicago is one of the best cities in the entire world to live in, but sometimes I want to take a blowtorch to the local political system

alexa kim Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:33:22pm

And who was it who kept insisting Burris should not be denied appointment just because of Blago's troubles? Oh yeah, that's right, Blago himself.

America stopped being special a long time ago. Why should she stay free of corruption at every level when that would only keep her separate and different? We're supposed to be trying to fit in with all the other countries on the globe, so we need to stop acting like we're better than them.

After all, actually being better is not better. Not if you ask anyone who isn't American... or if you ask about half the "American" population.

Welcome to being like everyone else. How does the world like us now?

JCM Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:33:41pm

re: #75 DistantThunder

Anyone who thinks that it is a huge coincidenece that Obama is associated with all these corrupt politicians - raise your hand.

The One walk through the valley of the shadow of corruption and not be tainted.

The Wright Gospel, 19:11

rawmuse Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:34:47pm

re: #73 Wishing

Kinda OT, but did you all see that HR 40 has been resurrected?
HR 40

I have been predicting that ever since BHO was the primary winner. Bill Moyers has been running shows on PBS about it, softening us up.

davinvalkri Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:36:05pm

re: #79 JCM

The One walk through the valley of the shadow of corruption and not be tainted.

The Wright Gospel, 19:11

You sure about that "not be tainted" part? Cause it seems so far Obama's choice of political subordinates has been lousy. And why is Burris still in office after this?

reine.de.tout Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:36:09pm

If anyone missed the cookbook announcement previous thread, click my nic, it's ready!

yesandno Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:36:18pm

re: #67 Charles

I'm going to be deleting comments about melanin, etc.

Sorry Charles...

My comment wasn't attempting to demean Burris.

afrocity Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:36:28pm

On behalf of the State Of Illinois and Black people I apologize for Obama and Blago. I feelas if I should have done more to help McCain and stop Obama.

Chicago does have good people.

Ojoe Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:36:56pm

re: #80 rawmuse

Re HR 40 the debt has been paid long ago.

(Union dead at Gettysburg)

afrocity Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:37:19pm

oops, sorry Charles. I guess i am just ashamed of the 98% AA's that voted for these frauds.

JCM Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:37:48pm

re: #80 rawmuse

I have been predicting that ever since BHO was the primary winner. Bill Moyers has been running shows on PBS about it, softening us up.

My background is Quaker abolitionist going way back. Ancestors on the underground railroad. I'd be exempt? Right?

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Capitalistincharge Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:37:51pm

The corruption in this Administration is rampant. The media's failure to report on and examine the numerous revelations of corruption and lieing by the Democrats is demoralizing. Our country is on a downward spiral and I fear our inability to stop before the bottom looms large. It appears as though ethics are being rewriten, integrity and character no longer apply and power corruption is complete. We need a strong, conservative leader who is as eloquent as he/she is principaled and courageous to reestablish the conservative movement. The progressive liberals perfected the ability to lie, steal and cheat while looking American in the eye. They managed to get out there louder and larger and lie right to the masses counting on half the population to either not give a shit or to be too ignorant to care. They were right and the game they are playing...well they are winning, folks. We need to get in the game and soon.

6pat6 Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:38:09pm

I have been predicting that ever since BHO was the primary winner. Bill Moyers has been running shows on PBS about (HR40), softening us up.

As far as I am concerned, the money that will take billion$ from the US taxpayer in this Spendulus Bill IS reparations! It might as well be the "Reparations Act of 2009".

midwestgak Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:38:15pm

OT. I was reviewing articles at the townhall website and I got a screen that said I have been infected with trojan viruses. It showed some files and flashing in red was 27 trojans in one, 300 or in another. What is that?

I immediately shut down and looked around to see if anything was missing. I have the new Lephard software. What steps should take if any? Be aware that telling me to my install virus protection would be like telling a spoon to wash itself. :)

JCM Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:38:29pm

re: #81 davinvalkri

You sure about that "not be tainted" part? Cause it seems so far Obama's choice of political subordinates has been lousy. And why is Burris still in office after this?

Heretic! Questioning the Gospels!
;-P

unrealizedviewpoint Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:39:01pm

re: #32 DistantThunder

Character Counts. I think potential politicians should go to a school that reminds them how to get and maintain the public trust.

Why?
They have so learned that (personal) success is had without.
*spit*

Kosh's Shadow Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:39:13pm

re: #73 Wishing

Kinda OT, but did you all see that HR 40 has been resurrected?
HR 40

They always use the Holocaust reparations as the basis for slave reparations.
I'll support those reparations on the same basis, that they be paid from existing entities that profited from slavery, to living slaves, but not their descendants.
Search the old age homes for people over 144 years old.

rawmuse Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:39:43pm

re: #85 Ojoe

Re HR 40 the debt has been paid long ago.

(Union dead at Gettysburg)

Some think not, by all evidence. We are to pay yet again. All of us are to pay, even those who a) never owned slaves, b) helped free them and c) arrived in the USA long after the Great Unpleasantness was over.

Scion9 Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:39:54pm

re: #4 zombie

Excuse me: Harding, not Coolidge.

(Teapot Dome.)

Teapot Dome brings back some memories. Memories of not studying it in High School. I recall having to memorize Harding = Teapot Dome scandal, without learning about any of the associated background of politics in the '20s, Harding, or the scandal at all. Apparently it was standardized test material, so had to be brought up, but not actually taught.

Oh, the wonders of modern public education.

Kosh's Shadow Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:39:59pm

re: #87 JCM

My background is Quaker abolitionist going way back. Ancestors on the underground railroad. I'd be exempt? Right?

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No, and you'd have to pay to blacks whose ancestors had slaves!

6pat6 Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:40:26pm

The Left has rewritten history to the point where the average American thinks the War Between the States was about slavery (it was about tariffs and trade!), that reparations seem like a perfectly good reason to rape the American taxpayer and ruin our economy. We are well on the way to being one of the largest Third World nations.

TedStriker Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:40:29pm

re: #85 Ojoe

Re HR 40 the debt has been paid long ago.

(Union dead at Gettysburg)

The fact that the cost of ending American slavery was paid in Union soldiers' lives (and, ultimately, Lincoln's) means nothing to the race hustlers and parasites who want something for nothing...now, they want the country's treasure too.

Nevergiveup Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:41:00pm

Coleman-Franken Update

Yesterday the judges further limited the rejected absentee ballots that will be included in the recount. That number had been trimmed to 4,800 over a week ago and is reduced now to an estimated 3,500.

[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

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CharlieBravo Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:41:12pm

re: #73 Wishing

Kinda OT, but did you all see that HR 40 has been resurrected?
HR 40

My first ancestor to set foot here was white - but a prisoner of war captured by the Brits and sold at public auction. Maybe HR 40 should be changed to eliminate race.

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brookly red Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:41:13pm

re: #90 midwestgak

for trojans try Malwarebytes, or Search & Destroy. both are free.

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jones Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:41:26pm

this guy will be impeached. Harry Reid won't stand for this.

(Off stage whispering)

Oh, never mind.

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6pat6 Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:42:16pm

re: #100 CharlieBravo

Maybe HR 40 should be changed to eliminate race.

THAT will never happen.

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unclassifiable Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:42:27pm

Well with all of these companies and institutions starting to contemplate going to 4 day work weeks in order to save money, maybe we can invest in a little civic activity on that day.

You know, visit your congresscritter, state rep, or alderman. Ask them WTF are they doing with your money.

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[deleted] Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:42:36pm

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Wishing Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:42:41pm

re: #80 rawmuse

I have been predicting that ever since BHO was the primary winner. Bill Moyers has been running shows on PBS about it, softening us up.

Well there is a clause that the commission is to figure out WHO the reparations or whatever are paid to, but no one is assigned to figure out WHO has to pay.

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derbigdog Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:42:43pm

re: #29 Nevergiveup

Jimmy Hoffa?

Regular shoes, not the ones with cement.

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Taqyia2Me Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:42:49pm

Illinois, per Mike Royko (RIP):
"Where's mine?"

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JCM Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:42:58pm

re: #96 Kosh's Shadow

No, and you'd have to pay to blacks whose ancestors had slaves!

That's okay, after I get stimulated I'll be broke.

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Ojoe Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:43:19pm

re: #98 talon_262

It is so dishonorable. And I cannot for the life of me understand why we as americans of all hues do not go together arm in arm after all we went through in the Civil War: we certainly said to every citizen that we are all valuable together, we said yes to this with blood, how much more strongly can we affirm it?

I do not understand.

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Catttt Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:43:27pm

re: #90 midwestgak

OT. I was reviewing articles at the townhall website and I got a screen that said I have been infected with trojan viruses. It showed some files and flashing in red was 27 trojans in one, 300 or in another. What is that?

I immediately shut down and looked around to see if anything was missing. I have the new Lephard software. What steps should take if any? Be aware that telling me to my install virus protection would be like telling a spoon to wash itself. :)

Townhall has popups (my browser prevents them from opening). It was probably a fake popup. As long as you didn't click on it, you should be fine. Probably. I'm no expert either, but that is my guess.

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Wishing Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:44:44pm

re: #111 Catttt

Townhall has popups (my browser prevents them from opening). It was probably a fake popup. As long as you didn't click on it, you should be fine. Probably. I'm no expert either, but that is my guess.

That was a pop up add to get you to buy software to take care of the problem, a problem they manufactured. Ignore it and carry on.

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Wishing Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:45:05pm

ad not add

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Afrocity Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:45:20pm

I have never been in favor of reparations. I have also declined two race based fellowships. I just never wanted to do it. I am still paying student loans off but my education is the only thing I own.

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rawmuse Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:45:27pm

re: #87 JCM

My background is Quaker abolitionist going way back. Ancestors on the underground railroad. I'd be exempt? Right?

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Looking for that clause in the Bill. Hmm. No, you are to pay, the same as the rest of us. You benefitted from slavery, that's what it says.

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6pat6 Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:45:48pm

re: #110 Ojoe

It's all about power through race-baiting, hate-mongering, fear, lies...anything to enhance and hold the Party of Jackasses' power base for the next fifty to one hundred years. Making us literally, a nation of slaves to the government to do so. Who needs rich plantation owners, or wealthy businessmen to be the bogetmen of the 21st Century? Our government is right there, being that already.

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Killian Bundy Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:46:01pm

Joliet JackHammers offer former Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich a job on their baseball team

An unlikely suitor has stepped to the plate with a job offer for former Gov. Rod Blagojevich.

The Joliet JackHammers, a Will County minor-league baseball team, have offered the fallen politician a contract for the 2009 season. Team officials faxed an offer—which includes an $800-a-month salary and free lodging with a host family—to Blagojevich's publicist this week.

The ex-governor has not turned down the offer.

"I don't yet know how serious of an offer it is or whether it is something he will pursue," said Blagojevich publicist Glenn Selig. "But the governor is a huge baseball fan, and playing in the minor leagues is something he has wanted to do as a kid and would do for nothing."

/only in America, Obama's America

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CharlieBravo Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:46:17pm

re: #105 ploome hineni

your ancestor was from where?

Scotland ~ [Link: www.clanmacbean.net...]

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morbiuswilters Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:46:37pm

re: #95 Scion9

Teapot Dome brings back some memories. Memories of not studying it in High School. I recall having to memorize Harding = Teapot Dome scandal, without learning about any of the associated background of politics in the '20s, Harding, or the scandal at all. Apparently it was standardized test material, so had to be brought up, but not actually taught.

Oh, the wonders of modern public education.

Lucky you. If I hadn't read the entirety of my history textbooks several times over due to boredom, I never would have learned about it in school. I learned more US history by watching The Simpsons than from public school.

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rawmuse Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:46:41pm

re: #114 Afrocity

You are right to do so. I also do not join groups that are based on race. Nothing good comes from it. Nothing good, and much bad.

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bse5150 Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:46:44pm

WE SHOULD REMOVE THIS CORRUPT LYING SENATOR FROM OFFICE ASAP - Wait - um, oh! He's a Democrat?
Never mind!
Move along!
Nothing to see here.
Move along.

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Dar ul Harbarian Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:47:04pm

Next on the agenda:

White House budget director Peter R. Orszag has committed to instituting tougher budget-discipline rules -- once the economy turns around. Those include a mandate that any "nonemergency" spending increases be offset by equal spending cuts or tax inescreas.

Of course, this will all involve a bunch of hand-holding bipartisanship

Obama aides say they aren't looking for quick action, but a start to the conversation. "We're going to bring some things to the table, but we're going to listen to everybody else," said Christina Romer, chairman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers, in an interview Friday. "It's a giant issue, and it's not one we can solve unilaterally."
The president met with 44 fiscally conservative "Blue Dog" Democrats this week and gave a nod to legislation that would set up commissions to deal with long-term deficit strains. The commissions would then present plans to Congress for an up-or-down vote.

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Sharmuta Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:47:13pm

re: #114 Afrocity

I have never been in favor of reparations. I have also declined two race based fellowships. I just never wanted to do it. I am still paying student loans off but my education is the only thing I own.

Cool- because most of my family came here in the 1900s, but I also have Native American blood, and an ancestor who was a prisoner of war sold into slavery.

But mostly- it's just another injustice to make people who had nothing to do with slavery pay for it. Two injustices don't make a right.

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midwestgak Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:47:24pm

re: #101 brookly red

Thanks. Went to download Malwarebytes and was told that Safari already downloaded it.

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ciaospirit Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:47:32pm

re: #89 6pat6

I have been predicting that ever since BHO was the primary winner. Bill Moyers has been running shows on PBS about (HR40), softening us up.

As far as I am concerned, the money that will take billion$ from the US taxpayer in this Spendulus Bill IS reparations! It might as well be the "Reparations Act of 2009".

Affirmative Action. Paid any perceived debt a million times over. And continues to pay. As far as I'm concerned, there is no debt owed.

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derbigdog Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:47:54pm

re: #75 DistantThunder

Anyone who thinks that it is a huge coincidenece that Obama is associated with all these corrupt politicians - raise your hand.

Ok Ms. Kuric you can put your hand down.

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gregg Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:47:55pm

re: #117 Killian Bundy

Joliet JackHammers offer former Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich a job on their baseball team

/only in America, Obama's America

He belongs in Joliet.

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Rexatosis Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:48:35pm

The whole Blago mess will get extremely dirty when Blago starts yapping to save his sorry butt from an extended stay in the Federal lock-up. Blago will name names and some enterprising young reporter(s) will realize there is "gold in them thar Blago tales" and start seriously digging into this mess. Pres. Obama should be worried (or atleast his Chief of Staff). Most leftists' political beliefs end where their self-interest begins (the same is true for the right but usually their political beliefs and self-interest are more closely aligned).

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6pat6 Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:48:37pm

re: #125 ciaospirit

I'm with you there! Paid in FULL...once. Now, they want payment. Again.

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Afrocity Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:48:51pm

re: #116 6pat6

It's all about power through race-baiting, hate-mongering, fear, lies...anything to enhance and hold the Party of Jackasses' power base for the next fifty to one hundred years. Making us literally, a nation of slaves to the government to do so. Who needs rich plantation owners, or wealthy businessmen to be the bogetmen of the 21st Century? Our government is right there, being that already.

I hope that other AAs look to Michael Steele as a role model and become independents or GOPs. The DNC has not done anything for AA's and I agree with Michael who was also raised in a DEM family that DEMS do not promote self efficiency. I want AAs off victim island.

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winston06 Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:49:01pm

Afghan diplomat Mohammed Fagirad charged in all-day wife beating

[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

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Taqyia2Me Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:49:06pm

re: #127 gregg

He belongs in Joliet.

Stateville still open for business?

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brookly red Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:49:30pm

re: #114 Afrocity
...my education is the only thing I own...

thats deep.

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Nevergiveup Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:50:01pm

re: #131 winston06

Afghan diplomat Mohammed Fagirad charged in all-day wife beating

[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

Wasn't that already done on SVU?

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JHW Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:50:46pm

I am so sick of the tariff argument for the Civil War it's not even funny. Trade..... tell me that people got so pissed they couldn't import French perfume, Belgian chocolate, Swiss clocks . Malaga wine, they decided to, conveniently, coincidentally, only when Lincoln was elected not before, decided to start shooting down their fellow Americans. Tariffs and trade, funny the Articles of Secession don't mention it. Maybe they weren't so pissed about tariffs on French perfume after all.

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6pat6 Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:50:46pm

re: #128 Rexatosis

Blagovich starts talking? You can bet that he'll be meeting Capone, Hoffa, and other like-minded spirits shortly. He'll vanish into thin air. And no one will know or see a thing.

"Blago? He's on vacation in Tahiti right now and he asked not to be bothered, thank you."

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brookly red Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:50:55pm

re: #124 midwestgak

It good. Slow, but good.

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JCM Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:50:59pm

re: #114 Afrocity

I have never been in favor of reparations. I have also declined two race based fellowships. I just never wanted to do it. I am still paying student loans off but my education is the only thing I own.

You own your integrity and honor also.

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Nevergiveup Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:51:10pm

01:10 Israel worried about U.S. delay in forging stance on Iran nukes (Haaretz)

Be worried, be very worried!

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Sheepdogess Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:51:12pm

I am not shocked that he lied. Very little shocks me these days. However, today was an exception.

The brazenness of the depraved is alive and well in Puget Sound. I saw something today that I could not believe.

I was passing a spiffy red pick-up truck on the freeway with a normal looking guy at the wheel, and on his window and the passenger window was a big decal, NAMBLA. I checked the acronym finder to see if this had another meaning. There were only two meanings listed. [Link: www.acronymfinder.com...] The driver, who did not look like Marlon Brando, saw shock on my face and just gave me a big grin.
I SWEAR TO GOD.

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6pat6 Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:51:23pm

re: #130 Afrocity

Absolutely!

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gregg Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:51:40pm

re: #132 Taqyia2Me

Stateville still open for business?

I just wiki'd and discovered that Joliet Prison is closed, but that's what I was thinking (in my head the Blues Brothers live on).

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goddessoftheclassroom Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:52:42pm

re: #87 JCM

My background is Quaker abolitionist going way back. Ancestors on the underground railroad. I'd be exempt? Right?

/////

Any ancestors in northeast Indiana? I had a bunch migrate from North Carolina to Huntington and Wells Counties.

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solomonpanting Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:52:53pm

re: #10 JammieWearingFool

The Chicago way, bitches!

Does it make you sick?
Why do think it's called Chicago, Ill?

145

Kragar Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:53:17pm

I have completely lost faith in the political process in this country. They're all a bunch of lying two faced whores who would sell out their own mothers for an ounce of power or ballless cretins too scared to lose what little they do have to fight for anything better.

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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:53:30pm

re: #130 Afrocity

I don't expect that. It didn't happen with Condi Rice or Colin Powell.

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screaming_eagle Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:53:32pm

Burris is a lying liar who lied.
Whoops, I forgot he is a Dem Senator.
Never mind, I retract that.

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brookly red Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:54:47pm

re: #147 screaming_eagle

Burris is a lying liar who lied.
Whoops, I forgot he is a Dem Senator.
Never mind, I retract that.

So what ever did happen to Al Frankin?

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6pat6 Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:54:57pm

re: #130 Afrocity

Conservative Blacks are seen by the Party of Jackasses as Uncle Toms, period. Conservative Blacks are a pox, in the eyes of the DNC and race-baiters like Jackson. They don't count.

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Nevergiveup Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:55:34pm

re: #148 brookly red

So what ever did happen to Al Frankin?

Coleman-Franken Update

[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

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Empire1 Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:56:10pm

re: #82 reine.de.tout

If anyone missed the cookbook announcement previous thread, click my nic, it's ready!

E-mailed you -- don't use PayPal or credit cards, so need further information!

152

Shug Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:56:38pm

I think Burris is a liar, but he also appears to be a liar with dementia who can't even remember which lie he told

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pat Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:56:43pm

Well let us not forget that not only is Burris a fundraiser for Blago, an egomaniac, a liar, but he also tried an innocent man for murder knowing the man was innocent, having been informed of such by both his staff and the police.

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6pat6 Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:57:04pm

re: #135 JHW

Trade between the States was a huge issue, as the South had seen the North as being given preferential treatment by the Federal Government. Slavery was NEVER a primary issue.

155

CharlieBravo Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:57:33pm

"Burris’ third account of what happened"

Just tell me what you want to hear and I'll say it. Good grief...

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6pat6 Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:57:58pm

Time for dinner. Chinese food, yummy!

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Taqyia2Me Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:58:23pm

re: #149 6pat6

Conservative Blacks are seen by the Party of Jackasses as Uncle Toms, period. Conservative Blacks are a pox, in the eyes of the DNC and race-baiters like Jackson. They don't count.

They count here and they are most welcome!

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M. Bensson-Levi Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:58:41pm

re: #114 Afrocity

I have never been in favor of reparations. I have also declined two race based fellowships. I just never wanted to do it. I am still paying student loans off but my education is the only thing I ownl.

Close, but not quite accurate. You obviously are also still the owner of your integrity. I've been reading your posts.

A bit belated, but welcome aboard.

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JCM Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:58:57pm

re: #143 goddessoftheclassroom

Any ancestors in northeast Indiana? I had a bunch migrate from North Carolina to Huntington and Wells Counties.

Either side Dad's side Ohio, Mom's Illinois. Back in England we have preachers who where preaching abolition way back.

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6pat6 Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:59:04pm

re: #157 Taqyia2Me

Of course they do here!

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Afrocity Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:59:06pm

re: #146 Killgore Trout

I don't expect that. It didn't happen with Condi Rice or Colin Powell.

They did not exactly reach out in an attempt to bring more minorities into the fold. It is a two way street. AA's dismissed them as well. It is common knowledge that if an AA is considered a traitor to the race they are branded a "Clarence Thomas" or "Colin" . I don't agree with this because it implies that all blacks are monolithic and can only posses one political ideology. We have to let AA's know that it is okay to have political diversity within the race. More of us should speak out. I hope to change that. I think Michael is on the same page. we also don't want our vote taken for granted like it has with the DEMS, and the woman vote too for that matter.

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6pat6 Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:59:25pm

Now, eats!

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screaming_eagle Sat, Feb 14, 2009 3:59:33pm

re: #148 brookly red

So what ever did happen to Al Frankin?

I heard he rented a U-Haul truck that just happened to have 30,000 votes in the back of it.

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Kaymad Sat, Feb 14, 2009 4:00:25pm

Why get rid of him? He should fit in well with the current congress. Better yet, I hear there is an opening for a top level position at the Commerce department.

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JHW Sat, Feb 14, 2009 4:00:36pm

re: #154 6pat6

Have you ever reads the articles of secession of the individual states?They are quite clear on what they saw as infringement on property rights, to be specific the right to own human beings.

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Afrocity Sat, Feb 14, 2009 4:00:56pm

re: #157 Taqyia2Me

re: #158 M. Bensson-Levi

Thank you both!

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M. Bensson-Levi Sat, Feb 14, 2009 4:03:00pm

re: #135 JHW

I am so sick of the tariff argument for the Civil War it's not even funny. Trade..... tell me that people got so pissed they couldn't import French perfume, Belgian chocolate, Swiss clocks . Malaga wine, they decided to, conveniently, coincidentally, only when Lincoln was elected not before, decided to start shooting down their fellow Americans. Tariffs and trade, funny the Articles of Secession don't mention it. Maybe they weren't so pissed about tariffs on French perfume after all.

Well said!

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chicagodudewhotrades Sat, Feb 14, 2009 4:03:12pm

re: #153 pat

Pat, I agree with your comment, but the whole Rolando Cruz case was FUBAR'd long before it got to then-state attorney Burris's desk.

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morbiuswilters Sat, Feb 14, 2009 4:03:28pm

re: #154 6pat6

Trade between the States was a huge issue, as the South had seen the North as being given preferential treatment by the Federal Government. Slavery was NEVER a primary issue.

Alexander Stephens would disagree with you.

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Dianna Sat, Feb 14, 2009 4:03:31pm

re: #158 M. Bensson-Levi

Close, but not quite accurate. You obviously are also still the owner of your integrity. I've been reading your posts.

A bit belated, but welcome aboard.

I so agree. I'm just back from some housekeeping chores, so I didn't see Afrocity's #114.

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JHW Sat, Feb 14, 2009 4:03:40pm

Declaration of Causes of Secession, each individual state

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Rexatosis Sat, Feb 14, 2009 4:05:17pm

RE: #136 6Pat6

Blago has an "accident?" Now that will sell a ton of books. There are too many media venues competing for dollars to keep a lid on that.

173

gregg Sat, Feb 14, 2009 4:05:49pm

I was reading this article, Skinheads, Neo-Nazis Draw Fury at Dresden 1945 'Mourning March' (these idiots are trying to gain favor via the Dresden fire bombing anniversary).

Anyway, this struck me as peculiar:

Hajo Funke, an expert on neo-Nazis at the Free University in Berlin, said in a phone interview. “They represent a call for reviving the German Reich, anti-Americanism and anti-Semitism.”

Reviving anti-Americanism? When did it die? 1-20-2009?

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Who Watches the Watchmen? Sat, Feb 14, 2009 4:06:29pm

Chicago, Chicago that toddlin' town
Chicago, Chicago I'll show you around - I love it
Bet your bottom dollar you lose the blues in Chicago, Chicago
The town that Billy Sunday could not shut down

On State Street, that great street, I just want to say
They do things that they never do on Broadway -- say
They have the time, the time of their life
I saw a man and he danced with his wife
In Chicago, Chicago, Chicago -- that's my home town

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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 14, 2009 4:06:39pm

Looks like Burris might need a new panel on his mausoleum to explain all this.

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Kosh's Shadow Sat, Feb 14, 2009 4:07:51pm

re: #90 midwestgak

OT. I was reviewing articles at the townhall website and I got a screen that said I have been infected with trojan viruses. It showed some files and flashing in red was 27 trojans in one, 300 or in another. What is that?

I immediately shut down and looked around to see if anything was missing. I have the new Lephard software. What steps should take if any? Be aware that telling me to my install virus protection would be like telling a spoon to wash itself. :)

Probably a fake antivirus site. Click the link, and being on a Mac, you are safe, but if you were running Windows, it would infect your system.

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Elcid Sat, Feb 14, 2009 4:09:14pm

Blago's Appointed Senator Admits Lying!

Youtube Video

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Who Watches the Watchmen? Sat, Feb 14, 2009 4:10:04pm

re: #73 Wishing

Kinda OT, but did you all see that HR 40 has been resurrected?
HR 40

Rep. Conyers introduces that bill every session as H.R. 40 (as in acres and a mule).

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Afrocity Sat, Feb 14, 2009 4:11:00pm

It is not exactly rocket science to see that if you work hard and become a productive member of society then you will gain respect. That is not saying that there are not bigots out there who you will never satisfy. I have people who will always assume that I went to college on minority fellowships. That I have my job because of my color. I can do nothing to change that.

I respect Michael Steele because he does not use his race as if it is some badge of honor and you must kiss his ass. Obama on the other hand IMHO is a race baitor who exploits it to his advantage. At the DNC Convention he dod not mention MLK once in his speech but has not problems repeating that I am being nominated on the same day as MLK's I have a Dream speech.

H Y P O C R I T E

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Scion9 Sat, Feb 14, 2009 4:14:13pm

re: #154 6pat6

Trade between the States was a huge issue, as the South had seen the North as being given preferential treatment by the Federal Government. Slavery was NEVER a primary issue.

The entire coalition of state governments that formed the Confederacy were slave states, and advocates of pushing the practice of slavery into the new territories.

The use of slaves was necessary for the economies of these states. To ensure the continuation of the practice they needed control of the Federal government, especially the Supreme Court. The new territories not being slave states gave those newly formed states no reason to enter into a coalition with slave holding states.

That the political bloc formed by these states had other political agendas isn't deniable. That they used slavery as their wedge issue isn't either. With no slavery, there was no southern Democratic Party capable of pursuing their agenda in the White House and Supreme Court. With the North's reaction to Kansas-Nebraska and the nations subsequent election of Lincoln, they knew they were relegated to a permanent minority in the government. That was what caused them to raise their army. For them, democracy was no longer an option in pushing their political goals forward.

Many Americans agreed with them on tariff issues, and some of their views on the role government, but in the end it didn't matter. Slavery was both too divisive and immoral for too many to ever accept, and too useful a geopolitical tool for forcing their cooperation between slave states by the southern Democrats to ever consider giving it up.

Ultimately, if there were no slavery, there never would have been a Civil War as it happened. Slavery stopped southern ideology from spreading to non-slave states, and that ideology could not be divested from slavery because it was necessary to the power of the Democratic parties establishment in slave states.

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Elcid Sat, Feb 14, 2009 4:17:08pm

re: #179 Afrocity

That is because Obama has NO "content of character", which MLK,Jr. want all to be judged by.

Never should be, what is on the outside, it IS what's on the inside.

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Shr_Nfr Sat, Feb 14, 2009 4:26:44pm

re: #175 Cato the Elder

I do not know what that set him back, but here in the Boston area a setup like that at Mt. Auburn cemetery would set you back a median income in the US for a year and perhaps a lot more. Place is filling up after a couple hundred years, so the price of "real estate" there is through the roof. A small cremation plot set you back $500 when I bought on to inter my Dad in 1984. Being the kind of guy I am, I bought one for myself too next to it. I figure that at least I will know one of my neighbors. What the hell does this guy think he is? Pharaoh? Unbalanced to be sure.

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JHW Sat, Feb 14, 2009 4:28:11pm

re: #180 Scion9

Excellent post. The revisionism is a modern phenomenon, shared by Pat Buchanan-David Duke- the Von Mises Institute-the Political Cesspool-Vlaams Belaang-the League of the South-Ron Paul, on and on. Edwin Pollard, of the Richmond Examiner, wrote the "Southern History of the War", a staple textbook for many years in the old Confederacy, that was quite straight forward in their grievances. Trade was not mentioned, property was, a specific type of property.

I hesitate to post on this , some people see it as a sectional attack, but it astounds me that the 4 years of the Confederacy are seen as the Holy Grail of patriotism,not to be condemned. The southern states have a glorious history in our republic, especially in the Revolutionary War, why this loyalty to a bunch of would-be aristocrats that drug their neighbors and the rest of the country into a bloody heap to maintain their status at everyone else's expense, including their non-slaveholding Southern friends, family and neighbors has to be the touchstone of respect for our Southern countrymen.

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Shr_Nfr Sat, Feb 14, 2009 4:31:27pm

re: #179 Afrocity

I consider the present "affirmative action" stuff to be an insult to the people who get it. Its basically saying that they are second rate people and need the extra help to be "equal" in society. Perhaps there was a place for it in the 60s for a while. That it has hung around for so long is demeaning to the people like you who work hard, and are honest.

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itellu3times Sat, Feb 14, 2009 4:32:35pm

re: #5 brookly red

the third one sticks...

you're telling me!

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yochanan Sat, Feb 14, 2009 4:39:43pm

re: #1 zombie

The Obama Administration is more corrupt than any since ~~Coolidge~~, GRANT and no one cares.

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debutaunt Sat, Feb 14, 2009 4:39:49pm

re: #1 zombie

The Obama Administration is more corrupt than any since Coolidge, and no one cares.

No! Coolidge was cool!

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Mike McDaniel Sat, Feb 14, 2009 4:44:50pm

Those who wish to debate the causes of the Great Unpleasantness Between the States would be well advised to read the chapters of McPherson's "Battle Cry of Freedom" dealing with events leading up to the war.

It's worth remembering that pre-War America actually divided into four factions, not two.

The real problem is that there are people who seek to use that conflict to justify eternal moral superiority...and exploit it for political gain.

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yochanan Sat, Feb 14, 2009 4:49:21pm

re: #84 afrocity

On behalf of the State Of Illinois and Black people I apologize for Obama and Blago. I feelas if I should have done more to help McCain and stop Obama.

Chicago does have good people.

CHICAGOSTAN C(R)OOK country is a one party state, reminds me of the GRANT ADMINISTRATION.

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Scion9 Sat, Feb 14, 2009 4:59:10pm

re: #183 JHW

I'm not sure that the revisionism is quite so modern really. There was a lot of after the fact mythology getting pushed by some southerners defending their position right after they lost the war, and even when it looked like things were not going to go their way.

It just happens that such revisionism takes time to gain momentum. Such things didn't gain legs in the age before mass media until the generation that experienced them was no longer around. The myth of Confederate nobility really took off in the early to mid 20th century.

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USBeast Sat, Feb 14, 2009 5:12:03pm

I believe what we're seeing here is the "Same Old Same Old" politics being confronted with the fact that they are actually being watched and investigated by "the people". By that I mean individuals who are capable of smelling rats and, via modern technology, are able to hunt them. It's getting much harder to hide the money trail and the communication records.

Two questions: 1. Are we heading into an age of Honest Politicians? 2. Can our Republic possibly survive such an age?

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Scion9 Sat, Feb 14, 2009 5:13:57pm

re: #188 Mike McDaniel

The real problem is that there are people who seek to use that conflict to justify eternal moral superiority...and exploit it for political gain.

This is nothing new to America and is not a relic of the Civil War. It is the literal form of government the earliest European settlers formed. Puritan Theocracy.

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JHW Sat, Feb 14, 2009 5:18:23pm

re: #190 Scion9

Ah, thank you, your point is taken. I'll leave this link, I think you'll find it interesting, it deals mostly with the modern phenomenon. I agree with the points you made, I can respect the old boys.....modern revisionists, not quite.
Confederates on the Internet

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cosmo Sat, Feb 14, 2009 5:20:42pm

Re: #6 midwestgak: I didn't vote for Walt Minnick (represents my district), but I already like him. He may be the one honest democrat you're looking for.

Of course, he's a 1st-termer...that may change if he gets any tenure.

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Dirk Diggler Sat, Feb 14, 2009 5:28:52pm

There's an interesting book on Chicago crime and politics (the two are synonomous) called "When Corruption Was King". It is a true story written by Robert Cooley. Cooley, a high living gambler, ladies man, and attorney, becomes emeshed with the Chicago Outfit following a brief stint as a cop. He figures he'll just be called upon for favors (fixing parking tickets, making embarrassing misdemeanors go away, etc.) Over time though he realizes that the Chicago political and judicial systems are so corrupt that an acquittal for any crime can be bought. Those include racially motivated assaults, child molestation, and contract murder. Cooley's conscience ultimately gets the better of him and he decides to bring down Chicago's notoriously corrupt First Ward.

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mattm Sat, Feb 14, 2009 6:24:07pm

One order of Chicago politics, coming right up.

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Perplexed Sat, Feb 14, 2009 6:37:08pm

Does anyone really expect any democrat to have any moral fiber whatsoever?

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Perplexed Sat, Feb 14, 2009 6:38:42pm

re: #191 USBeast

I believe what we're seeing here is the "Same Old Same Old" politics being confronted with the fact that they are actually being watched and investigated by "the people". By that I mean individuals who are capable of smelling rats and, via modern technology, are able to hunt them. It's getting much harder to hide the money trail and the communication records.

Two questions: 1. Are we heading into an age of Honest Politicians? 2. Can our Republic possibly survive such an age?

Roman emperor Caligula had more ethics than do some Chicago politicians.

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Honorary Yooper Sat, Feb 14, 2009 7:42:38pm

re: #127 gregg

He belongs in Joliet.

That prison is closed. He should go to Crest Hill (for Stateville) or Pontiac.

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Honorary Yooper Sat, Feb 14, 2009 7:45:14pm

re: #154 6pat6

Trade between the States was a huge issue, as the South had seen the North as being given preferential treatment by the Federal Government. Slavery was NEVER a primary issue.

Excuse me!?! The expansion of slavery was the primary issue for the Civil War. Without that, it never would have occurred.

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Sloppy Sat, Feb 14, 2009 10:10:34pm

Don't worry. If reparations are paid for slavery, they will be paid with borrowed money, like the "stimulus" package. That means future generations of slaves' descendants will help foot the bill.

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yochanan Sun, Feb 15, 2009 1:50:11pm

BURRIS IS CURRENTLY BEING GIVEN THE 5TH DEREE BY THE PRESS

WHO KNEW THEY WOULD EVER DO IT TO A DEMOCRAT

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