Michael Steele Gets on Pro-Life’s Bad Side

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RNC chairman Michael Steele told an interviewer that he supports “individual choice” in abortion, and now all heck has broken loose; Steele is trying to spin it, but fundamental pro-lifers are not amused: Steele, under fire, walks back ‘choice’ remark.

This is Steele’s latest statement, supporting the GOP platform’s call for a constitutional amendment to ban abortion:

I am pro-life, always have been, always will be.

I tried to present why I am pro life while recognizing that my mother had a “choice” before deciding to put me up for adoption. I thank her every day for supporting life. The strength of the pro life movement lies in choosing life and sharing the wisdom of that choice with those who face difficult circumstances. They did that for my mother and I am here today because they did. In my view Roe vs. Wade was wrongly decided and should be repealed. I realize that there are good people in our party who disagree with me on this issue.

But the Republican Party is and will continue to be the party of life. I support our platform and its call for a Human Life Amendment. It is important that we stand up for the defenseless and that we continue to work to change the hearts and minds of our fellow countrymen so that we can welcome all children and protect them under the law.

Family Research Council President Tony Perkins circles:

“I expressed my concerns to the chairman earlier this week about previous statements that were very similar in nature. He assured me as chairman his views did not matter and that he would be upholding and promoting the Party platform, which is very clear on these issues. It is very difficult to reconcile the GQ interview with the chairman’s pledge.”

Mike Huckabee moves in for the kill…

Comments attributed to Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele are very troubling and despite his clarification today the party stands to lose many of its members and a great deal of its support in the trenches of grassroots politics.

Since 1980, our party has been steadfast and principled in believing in the dignity and worth of every human life. We have supported a Constitutional amendment to protect life and the party has taken the position that no one individual has the supreme right to own another person in totality including the right to take that life. For Chairman Steele to even infer that taking a life is totally left up to the individual is not only a reversal of Republican policy and principle, but it’s a violation of the most basic of human rights—the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

His statement today helps, but doesn’t explain why he would ever say what he did in the first place.

And Ed Rendell thinks Steele is toast.

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859 comments
1 NYCHardhat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 1:56:28pm

I am losing my faith in him....fast.

2 kynna  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 1:57:40pm

Geez Louise. He doesn't seem ready for prime time at all, does he? I'm so sad about his implosion. He seemed like a great choice for a leadership position, but it seems like most leaders would at least read the platform. Then if he wanted to make changes he could be a little more ... politic ... about it.

3 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 1:58:14pm

So sorry, but everyone makes gaffes. No one is perfect. This is not a big deal.

4 NYCHardhat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 1:59:03pm

With Obama and his administration floundering, the Republicans just have to be quiet long enough for the shithouse to go up in flames.

5 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 1:59:51pm

A very poor answer for Steele. He may well get the gate for it. The GOP base considers abortion to be murder, and my own position is much closer to their's than his. His word choice bothers me a great deal.

6 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 1:59:54pm

re: #2 kynna

Geez Louise. He doesn't seem ready for prime time at all, does he? I'm so sad about his implosion. He seemed like a great choice for a leadership position, but it seems like most leaders would at least read the platform. Then if he wanted to make changes he could be a little more ... politic ... about it.

Sadly, I thought he was damaged goods after his Senate loss, and all the abuse hurled at him by the Dems.

7 redstateredneck  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:00:06pm

re: #4 NYCHardhat

With Obama and his administration floundering, the Republicans just have to be quiet long enough for the shithouse to go up in flames.


Really. My attitude is give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves. Now hush, all y'all, and let them do it.

8 loppyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:00:58pm
Mike Huckabee moves in for the kill...

I wish he would shut his squirrel eating pie hole and go back to Arkansas forevah!

9 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:01:09pm

re: #4 NYCHardhat

With Obama and his administration floundering, the Republicans just have to be quiet long enough for the shithouse to go up in flames.

Good line. Thankfully, I was able to swallow the soda in my mouth instead of laughing when a read it. Upding!

10 redstateredneck  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:01:35pm

re: #8 loppyd

I wish he would shut his squirrel eating pie hole and go back to Arkansas forevah!

Somehow "squirrel eating pie hole" just sounds nasty.

11 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:01:52pm

re: #3 Creeping Eruption

So sorry, but everyone makes gaffes. No one is perfect. This is not a big deal.

It's just another problem, after the interview on CNN with Huguley, where he didn't stand up for the party, allowing that washed-up comedian to compare them to Nazis.

12 NYCHardhat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:02:25pm

re: #7 redstateredneck

Really. My attitude is give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves. Now hush, all y'all, and let them do it.

I agree, but if the media keeps reporting how DL Hughley made Steele look like a fool, the drones will be occupied by nonsense. The Republicans need to say smart, fiscally responsible, well thought-out sentences.

13 Ben Hur  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:02:45pm

re: #8 loppyd

I wish he would shut his squirrel eating pie hole and go back to Arkansas forevah!


Squirrel Melt!

Youtube Video
14 ted  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:03:25pm

Foot-in-Mouth Disease.

15 NYCHardhat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:03:33pm

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

Good line. Thankfully, I was able to swallow the soda in my mouth instead of laughing when a read it. Upding!

Thanks. A little Jim Morrison doesn't hurt.

16 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:03:49pm

I've eaten squirrel (it tastes like chicken).

/no kidding

17 loppyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:04:16pm

re: #13 Ben Hur

Squirrel Melt!


Sweet Lord I can't watch that.

18 NYCHardhat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:04:17pm

re: #11 Ward Cleaver

It's just another problem, after the interview on CNN with Huguley, where he didn't stand up for the party, allowing that washed-up comedian to compare them to Nazis.

upding!

19 Harry Tuttle  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:04:18pm

He has got to go.

I don't dislike the man, it's just that we need strong bold leadership and he has nothing to do with that.

Who could do this?

20 Ben Hur  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:04:23pm
He assured me as chairman his views did not matter and that he would be upholding and promoting the Party platform, which is very clear on these issues.

What is he, a friggin' robot?

What does that mean?

21 astronmr20  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:04:39pm

re: #4 NYCHardhat

With Obama and his administration floundering, the Republicans just have to be quiet long enough for the shithouse to go up in flames.

Up-dinged, sir.

22 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:04:52pm

re: #16 Ward Cleaver

I've eaten squirrel (it tastes like chicken).

/no kidding

My buddy made squirrel casserole once for a dinner party. I agree, although kind of a gamey chicken.

23 KenJen  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:04:56pm

re: #16 Ward Cleaver

I've eaten squirrel (it tastes like chicken).

/no kidding

Me too. Kinda has a nutty flavor to it.

24 CalBear84  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:05:00pm

re: #4 NYCHardhat

With Obama and his administration floundering, the Republicans just have to be quiet long enough for the shithouse to go up in flames.

OBAMA'S FLAMING SHITHOUSE BAR-B-QUE!

25 DeathtotheSwiss  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:05:26pm

Wow, apparently it's jump on republicans day (decade). Is this sort of like tough love or survival of the fittest? If we keep eating up the sane party politicians aren't we doing the job of the main-stream media?

26 redstateredneck  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:05:28pm

re: #13 Ben Hur

At least she didn't use a popcorn popper to cook it in.

27 Gus  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:05:33pm

Looks like the bickering continues. Michael Steele was supposed to be what brought the GOP into the future yet his rhetoric seems to be objectionable to many. This leads those that object to loudly show the consternation to the press which results in yet another apology and reversal of views from Michael Steele.

28 loppyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:05:39pm

re: #10 redstateredneck

Somehow "squirrel eating pie hole" just sounds nasty.

Deputy Dawg pie hole?

29 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:05:58pm

Now every interview he does from today onward he will be asked to clarify his position.

He should have left his personal opinion aside and just parroted the Party platform, at least for the time being.

Too late now.

30 NYCHardhat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:06:21pm

re: #24 CalBear84

OBAMA'S FLAMING SHITHOUSE BAR-B-QUE!

LMAO!

31 Ben Hur  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:06:55pm
He assured me as chairman his views did not matter and that he would be upholding and promoting the Party platform, which is very clear on these issues.

I'm sorry, but this line really troubles me.

Lead the party, but your views don't matter.

Like it or not, it sounds to me that they just want him to stand there and be Black.

32 redstateredneck  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:06:56pm

My father was partial to squirrel brains scrambled with some eggs. Gotta have a mess of squirrels to get a good sized portion, though.

33 nyc redneck  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:06:59pm

this is the quickest way to lose respect.
say whatever you think those around you want to hear.
he wants to be liked too much.
this is a character flaw.

34 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:06:59pm

It means he's telling the GOP to stand next to the stairs:

Youtube Video
35 Ojoe  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:07:12pm

These questions need to be held in political abeyance if we are to have any common sense in the governing of out country.

These are philosophical things, I am not diminishing their importance.

But the country cannot much anymore stand alternating between the extremes.

36 NYCHardhat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:07:17pm

re: #25 DeathtotheSwiss

Wow, apparently it's jump on republicans day (decade). Is this sort of like tough love or survival of the fittest? If we keep eating up the sane party politicians aren't we doing the job of the main-stream media?

No. The media will kill them anyway. We need to send out Batman.

37 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:07:23pm

re: #24 CalBear84

OBAMA'S FLAMING SHITHOUSE BAR-B-QUE!

Oh, the image is spectacular!

38 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:07:25pm

I'm not a big Steele fan but he's out of step with the GOP who are more interested in Rush and Coulter than realistic politics.

39 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:07:26pm

re: #29 Ringo the Gringo

Now every interview he does from today onward he will be asked to clarify his position.

He should have left his personal opinion aside and just parroted the Party platform, at least for the time being.

Too late now.

He'll become a punchline.

40 gegenkritik  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:07:35pm

I also think that abortion is prolife.
Too bad that Steele is walking back.

41 Ojoe  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:07:37pm

re: #35 Ojoe

out = our

PIMF

42 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:08:08pm

Well as long as we don't focus on the economy, limiting government, expanding liberty and having a strong national defense so we can focus exclusively on social issues, how can Republicans ever lose?

/

Paleo SoCons are stupidly helping Obama re-engineer our society.

California used to be a Republican majority state with Republican governors (many of whom, like Ronald Reagan, were pro-choice). Then the litmus test arrived and now Democrats run everything. And there has been no backlash to re establish the party here.

43 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:08:23pm

re: #32 redstateredneck

My father was partial to squirrel brains scrambled with some eggs. Gotta have a mess of squirrels to get a good sized portion, though.

44 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:08:54pm

re: #16 Ward Cleaver

I've eaten squirrel (it tastes like chicken).

/no kidding

tree rats...worse than squid imo

45 loppyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:09:05pm

OT:

Another day, another Obama appointee withdraws from consideration.

Third Top Treasury Pick Withdraws From Consideration


Democratic sources say that H. Rodgin Cohen, a partner in the New York law firm Sullivan & Cromwell LLP, and the leading candidate for Deputy Treasury Secretary, has withdrawn from consideration.

It's the third withdrawal of a top Treasury Department staff pick in less than a week.
I reported last week that Cohen was likely to be officially nominated for the Deputy Treasury Secretary position.

Cohen has been a counsel to just about every major player on Wall Street, which perhaps complicated his nomination.

Now, the nomination is off.

Democratic sources said that an issue arose in the final stages of the vetting process.

Given that this was written by Stephy I'm not surprised that there are no details of what issue arose.

46 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:09:16pm

Dude.

47 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:09:27pm

BTW - I have new desktop wallpaper.

48 Harry Tuttle  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:09:35pm

re: #38 Killgore Trout

I'm not a big Steele fan but he's out of step with the GOP who are more interested in Rush and Coulter than realistic politics.

I don't see Rush and Coulter as belonging in the same basket.

Not sure what point you are trying to make.

49 NYCHardhat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:09:46pm

re: #46 MandyManners

Dude.

Thats awesome.

50 redstateredneck  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:09:56pm

re: #43 MandyManners

I have lost many friends to the squirrels.
LOL!

51 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:10:15pm

re: #40 gegenkritik

I also think that abortion is prolife.
Too bad that Steele is walking back.

That Web site an inversion of reality, the likes of which I've never seen.

/lies are truth

/slavery is freedom

/abortion is pro-life

52 loppyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:10:17pm

re: #46 MandyManners

Dude.

AWWWWW

53 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:10:27pm

re: #44 albusteve

tree rats...worse than squid imo

Skippy begs to differ.

54 redstateredneck  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:10:40pm

re: #46 MandyManners

Dude.

Sweeet!

55 NYCHardhat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:10:55pm

re: #51 Ward Cleaver

That Web site an inversion of reality, the likes of which I've never seen.

/lies are truth

/slavery is freedom

/abortion is pro-life

why understand when you can oversit?

56 astronmr20  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:11:00pm

re: #47 karmic_inquisitor

BTW - I have new desktop wallpaper.

Many Bothans died to bring us this photoshop.

57 Van Helsing  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:11:09pm

re: #45 loppyd

OT:

Another day, another Obama appointee withdraws from consideration.

Third Top Treasury Pick Withdraws From Consideration

Given that this was written by Stephy I'm not surprised that there are no details of what issue arose.

Maybe they don't want to work for a lying, ignorant, hypocritical dumbass.

58 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:11:25pm

re: #46 MandyManners

Dude.

Cammo.

59 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:11:37pm

re: #45 loppyd

OT:

Another day, another Obama appointee withdraws from consideration.

Third Top Treasury Pick Withdraws From Consideration

Given that this was written by Stephy I'm not surprised that there are no details of what issue arose.

I think it's a crime that ABC allows him to so brazenly work for Obama and for them at the same time. Short-shit.

60 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:11:54pm

re: #57 Van Helsing

Maybe they don't want to work for a lying, ignorant, hypocritical dumbass.

Or they can't even pass muster because they are bigger lying, ignorant, hypocritical dumbasses?

61 NYCHardhat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:11:59pm

re: #58 MandyManners

Cammo.

Thank you for your service little dude.

62 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:12:11pm

re: #53 MandyManners

Skippy begs to differ.

actually I miss my squirrle buddies from up north...the only squirrel in NM are the hated red ones...little bastids

63 Gus  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:12:24pm

re: #31 Ben Hur

I'm sorry, but this line really troubles me.

Lead the party, but your views don't matter.

Like it or not, it sounds to me that they just want him to stand there and be Black.

Exactly. Or something close to that.

Help Wanted: RNC Chairman, previous experience as puppet required. //

64 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:12:24pm

re: #61 NYCHardhat

Thank you for your service little dude.

FCBBHO wants to take away his nuts.

65 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:12:29pm

re: #47 karmic_inquisitor

BTW - I have new desktop wallpaper.

That's no moon, it's an Idiot Station!

66 Van Helsing  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:12:58pm

re: #60 Creeping Eruption

Good point.

67 loppyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:13:14pm

re: #57 Van Helsing

Maybe they don't want to work for a lying, ignorant, hypocritical dumbass.

Why not? Birds of a feather cheat together.

68 NYCHardhat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:13:17pm

re: #64 MandyManners

FCBBHO wants to take away his nuts.

Have him pay for his missing appendage when an IED takes it off. Fucking fascist!

69 Arrr  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:13:23pm

This is a damned shame. I want the Republican Party to succeed, I want Obama to succeed, and I want the country to succeed. This kind of infighting is not a good thing.

If the Republicans get their shit together, they can steer Obama in the right direction.

70 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:13:25pm

re: #64 MandyManners

FCBBHO wants to take away his nuts.

"From my cold, dead paws!"

71 Boxy_brown  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:13:25pm

I wrote letters, inflected myself on blogs, threatened to withhold money, made a pain in the ass again to no avail; "keep the guy who raises a lot of money... That's his only job other than to book the convention hall" Boxy said...

But noooooooo; "We need to kick out the RINO's" was the answer. Purge, purge, purge... Great. Lets replace everyone with people who are not ready for prime time, that ought to win elections.

72 KingKenrod  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:13:41pm

The MSM will spin this as right-wingers looking for an excuse to oust the black man. It will be racism before too long, and Steele will be the victim - even though the MSM pounced on him like jackals.

But Steele should know you can't be the leader of the party and not have your talking points in order. I believe it was an honest misunderstanding. There's no way a pol changes their position on abortion as a one-off comment.

73 KenJen  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:13:50pm

I think its time for Steele to go. Obama and his admin have given him plenty of ammo but he keeps firing in the wrong direction.

74 NYCHardhat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:13:59pm

re: #69 Arrr

This is a damned shame. I want the Republican Party to succeed, I want Obama to succeed, and I want the country to succeed. This kind of infighting is not a good thing.

If the Republicans get their shit together, they can steer Obama in the right direction.

They need to pull off a 1994.

75 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:14:36pm

re: #69 Arrr

This is a damned shame. I want the Republican Party to succeed, I want Obama to succeed, and I want the country to succeed. This kind of infighting is not a good thing.

If the Republicans get their shit together, they can steer Obama in the right direction.

Before he drives this country off a cliff.

76 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:14:37pm

re: #40 gegenkritik

I also think that abortion is prolife.
Too bad that Steele is walking back.

I clicked the link and the first word that popped into my head was WTF? The second was "Doublespeak".

Mind you I am often accused of being borderline libertarian but how could anyone seriously argue that aborting a developing human being is pro-life? "Pro-selfish adult who should have thought about the consequences of their actions prior to mating" perhaps.

We're not talking starving third world people or mothers who risk life delivering a baby that have the majority of abortions.

Sorry- I just delivered a rare downding, but I can't fathom the logic behind that site.

77 redstateredneck  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:14:42pm

re: #47 karmic_inquisitor

BTW - I have new desktop wallpaper.

Now it's mine, too. I copped it from ya'.

78 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:14:50pm

re: #40 gegenkritik

I also think that abortion is prolife.
Too bad that Steele is walking back.

I think that you were written about by George Orwell.
F***ing unbelievable.

hkkkkkawwwwkkkkkkk.....
**SPIT**

79 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:14:57pm

re: #69 Arrr

This is a damned shame. I want the Republican Party to succeed, I want Obama to succeed, and I want the country to succeed. This kind of infighting is not a good thing.

If the Republicans get their shit together, they can steer Obama in the right direction.

what makes you think so?....BO is a communists and his ideology seems incompatable with that of the GOP

80 NYCHardhat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:15:07pm

re: #75 Ward Cleaver

Before he drives this country off a cliff.

too late for the economy.

81 loppyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:15:14pm

re: #59 Ward Cleaver

I think it's a crime that ABC allows him to so brazenly work for Obama and for them at the same time. Short-shit.

Believe me, I've voice my opinion to the powers that be at ABC ad nauseam.

Talk about lists - I am definitely on one over there!

82 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:15:32pm

re: #74 NYCHardhat

They need to pull off a 1994.

The problem is, a Contract With America won't work again, as they blew it last time.

83 Kragar  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:15:41pm

FUCK THE UN

UN calls US 'Deadbeat'

The White House objected Thursday to U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon's description of the United States as a "deadbeat" donor to the world body.

Ban used the phrase Wednesday during a private meeting with lawmakers at the Capitol, one day after he met with President Barack Obama in the Oval Office.

White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Ban's "word choice was unfortunate," given that the U.S. is the largest contributor to the United Nations.

The United States pays 22 percent of the organization's nearly $5 billion operating budget but is perennially late paying its dues.

192 nations in the UN. Seems to me our fair share should be about 1/192nd of it budget. Now get the fuck out of my country.

84 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:15:49pm

re: #48 Harry Tuttle


Not sure what point you are trying to make.


It seems to me that conservatives are yearning for a populist bomb thrower type. Somebody with outrageous politically impossible rhetoric that will pander to the party's dogma. I'd rather see a return to nuts and bolts practical solutions to real world problems.

85 turn  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:15:50pm

re: #69 Arrr

This is a damned shame. I want the Republican Party to succeed, I want Obama to succeed, and I want the country to succeed. This kind of infighting is not a good thing.

If the Republicans get their shit together, they can steer Obama in the right direction.

I think you and Dude must be sharing a little something.

86 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:15:51pm

The Republican tent has been shirking for years now.

I guess they might as well just give the job to Rush Limbaugh and remain the minority party forever.

87 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:15:53pm

re: #64 MandyManners

FCBBHO wants to take away his nuts.

Skippy's cousin is not impressed.


(Move the mouse over the photograph.)

88 gegenkritik  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:16:03pm

re: #51 Ward Cleaver
Abortion is prolife because it grants self-determination of a woman over her life. Otherwise, a cluster of cells rules over the life of a human being.

89 HippieforLife  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:16:08pm

re: #45 loppyd

Boy, you just couldn't make this stuff up! Reality is really taking a bite out of the O admin.

90 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:16:11pm
91 opnion  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:16:14pm

Michael Steele has stepped into it twice in rapid succession.
"Limbaugh is incendiary " & now this.
Whatever he believes , he believes , but he is exhibiting poor judgment.
Maybe he needs to be replaced.

92 Catttt  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:16:17pm

I think politicians are pretty much all craven on this subject. They've reduced the whole issue to buzz words, and if you use the wrong ones, you are toast. Never mind the issue, how complex it is, how many different opinions or permutations there are, how very personal it is, and how it brings in all sorts of hot button issues.

Now, the fucking Republican idiots who are totally out of power are attacking the party leader in public about such an issue, instead of DOING SOMEFUCKINGTHING to get the party members to stop kissing Democrat hiney and voting Democrat on economy issues!

TEA PARTY!

93 pink freud  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:16:32pm

re: #33 nyc redneck

this is the quickest way to lose respect.
say whatever you think those around you want to hear.
he wants to be liked too much.
this is a character flaw.

Steele's playing the mush mouth. I agree.

Rendell is spot on. Steele's done. He's not what we need.

94 NYCHardhat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:16:38pm

re: #82 Ward Cleaver

The problem is, a Contract With America won't work again, as they blew it last time.

First things first, take back Congress to block further damage.

95 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:16:48pm

re: #86 Ringo the Gringo


shirking = shrinking

96 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:16:48pm

re: #82 Ward Cleaver

The problem is, a Contract With America won't work again, as they blew it last time.

just change the name and nobody will notice....the GOP needs help from the donks tho and it seems right now they are getting some

97 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:16:58pm

re: #88 gegenkritik

Abortion is prolife because it grants self-determination of a woman over her life. Otherwise, a cluster of cells rules over the life of a human being.

Too bad I need to leave now. I'd love to sit back and watch what is about to happen to you. Good luck.

98 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:17:04pm

re: #56 astronmr20

Many Bothans died to bring us this photoshop.

Well their deaths likely will be in vain. Our pilots are too busy targeting each other to mount an attack.

/not kidding

99 astronmr20  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:17:10pm

re: #83 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

FUCK THE UN

UN calls US 'Deadbeat'

192 nations in the UN. Seems to me our fair share should be about 1/192nd of it budget. Now get the fuck out of my country.

Get John Bolton back in there...

100 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:17:36pm

I was against Steele as Chairman because he has a habit of putting his foot in his mouth. Too many times when he was 'debating' on FNC, he would end up saying something a little off the wall.

101 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:18:25pm

The Republican platform is really a raft, and it's sinking under the weight of narrow-minded passengers.

102 brookly red  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:18:27pm

re: #90 taxfreekiller

FBI? are we talkin Vivek Kundra?

103 NYCHardhat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:18:28pm

re: #88 gegenkritik

Abortion is prolife because it grants self-determination of a woman over her life. Otherwise, a cluster of cells rules over the life of a human being.

wow.

104 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:18:32pm

Rino!

105 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:18:42pm

re: #100 newsjunkie_ky

I was against Steele as Chairman because he has a habit of putting his foot in his mouth. Too many times when he was 'debating' on FNC, he would end up saying something a little off the wall.

that's racist isn't it?...hahaha

106 Boxy_brown  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:18:58pm

re: #84 Killgore Trout

It seems to me that conservatives are yearning for a populist bomb thrower type. Somebody with outrageous politically impossible rhetoric that will pander to the party's dogma. I'd rather see a return to nuts and bolts practical solutions to real world problems.

You want effectiveness? RINO!

107 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:18:59pm

re: #101 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Very poetic.

108 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:19:04pm

re: #83 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

FUCK THE UN

UN calls US 'Deadbeat'

192 nations in the UN. Seems to me our fair share should be about 1/192nd of it budget. Now get the fuck out of my country.

That Ban Ki-Moonbat IS A FUCKING ASSHOLE!

109 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:19:26pm

re: #106 Boxy_brown

Ha!

110 NYCHardhat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:19:55pm

re: #104 MandyManners

Rino!

Pee Wee Herman is a Republican?/

111 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:19:56pm

re: #75 Ward Cleaver

Before he drives this country off a cliff.

Youtube Video
112 Neutral President  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:20:11pm

re: #88 gegenkritik

To those of us non DUmmies or not in KOSsak land...

A baby is NOT A CLUSTER OF CELLS any more than YOU ARE.

Do you support 40th trimester abortions too?

113 Gus  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:20:17pm

The Republican party is losing independent voters and swing voters as we speak. These events revolving around the RNC chairman's statement followed by a reversal and/or an apology are not going unnoticed.

114 zombie  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:20:27pm
But the Republican Party is and will continue to be the party of life. I support our platform and its call for a Human Life Amendment

The Republican Party is pushing for a Constitutional Amendment to permanently ban abortion?

You're kidding me.

Talk about a waste of time and resources. You need -- what? -- 3/4 majority of states to approve of the amendment? And 2/3 of Congress?

Considering that at least 34 states already had legal abortion before Roe v. Wade, and that the Congress is about 55% Democratic overall, the chances of this amendment passing is nil.

The country is going to pot under Obama, and the Republicans are wasting all their energies on no-win fantasyland stuff.

What a pathetic political party.

115 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:20:58pm

the MSM has too much to do with the GOP platform...after everybody gets their say and thei 15 min of fame the message is so diluted it resembles the donks...this needs to stop...solid conservatism can be summed up in a few paragraphs

116 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:21:13pm

re: #88 gegenkritik

Abortion is prolife because it grants self-determination of a woman over her life. Otherwise, a cluster of cells rules over the life of a human being.


Technically you are a cluster of cells - albeit a bit more developed than the new fetus. Would sucking you through a pipe and flushing you down the drain be pro-life?

When you or any other reproductive scientist can determine without error the exact moment that cluster of cells becomes a sentient being or determine when the spirit of that child enters that forming body then we can talk about the relative merits of killing a fetus over any other human being.

117 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:21:14pm

re: #94 NYCHardhat

First things first, take back Congress to block further damage.

I wish I could say I thought that would happen, but I'm not sure. The GOP is in disarray and I'm not sure how things will shake out. As for me, I'd suggest that the pro-life give Steele some room. I don't agree with him either, but we can't get rid of him without taking a full broadside from the MSM.

118 astronmr20  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:21:29pm

re: #98 Dark_Falcon

Well their deaths likely will be in vain. Our pilots are too busy targeting each other to mount an attack.

/not kidding

Remember, it only takes one carefully-placed shot into a weak spot from an x-wing to bring down the Debt Star.

Fortunately, we have a particular Alaskan governor who is a pretty damn good shot from an aircraft.

119 horse  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:21:31pm

re: #69 Arrr

...
If the Republicans get their shit together, they can steer Obama in the right direction.

I don't know about that. In Obama's soviet USA, car steers you. We just along for the ride.

120 loppyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:21:41pm

re: #89 HippieforLife

Boy, you just couldn't make this stuff up! Reality is really taking a bite out of the O admin.

Don't forget that this was the replacement pick for Annette Nazareth who had to withdraw from consideration just last week when it became clear she was going to be grilled over time at the SEC and the agency's failure to nab Bernie Madoff.

121 Boxy_brown  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:21:44pm

re: #113 Gus 802

These events revolving around the RNC chairman's statement followed by a reversal and/or an apology are not going unnoticed.

These apologies are becoming a weekly event too. Even with the democrats sodomizing the economy the RNC is still going to find a way to blow it.

122 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:21:55pm

re: #88 gegenkritik

Abortion is prolife because it grants self-determination of a woman over her life. Otherwise, a cluster of cells rules over the life of a human being.

A cluster of cells? Hell-o? Have you ever seen a picture or sonogram taken at ten weeks? It's not some amorphous mass - it has arms, legs, eyes, and a heartbeat. Good grief.

123 SixDegrees  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:21:56pm

There are an awful lot of Republicans who view Huckabee and his ilk as shrieking religious fanatics bent on ramming Bibles down the throats of everyone in the country and imposing their own bizarre brand of religious fundamentalism on the nation. Sort of like the Taliban.

Lots of these voters are going to be driven to stay home, or to vote for an increasingly Conservative Democratic party over the next few election cycles. And the Dems are positioning themselves for just such an exodus, touting core Conservative values like fiscal responsibility and limited government; many have expressed exasperation at the Reid/Pelosi/Obama spending frenzy already, a sentiment which will find favor among voters anxious for some government restraint.

The party needs to flush it's religious loons down the toilet if it wants to win elections. And the religious loons need to be reminded that their attempts to act out their zealotry are fundamentally anti-American.

124 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:22:02pm

re: #114 zombie

The Republican Party is pushing for a Constitutional Amendment to permanently ban abortion?

You're kidding me.

Talk about a waste of time and resources. You need -- what? -- 3/4 majority of states to approve of the amendment? And 2/3 of Congress?

Considering that at least 34 states already had legal abortion before Roe v. Wade, and that the Congress is about 55% Democratic overall, the chances of this amendment passing is nil.

The country is going to pot under Obama, and the Republicans are wasting all their energies on no-win fantasyland stuff.

What a pathetic political party.

does the GOP as a party endorse this?

125 filetandrelease  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:22:02pm

re: #44 albusteve

tree rats...worse than squid imo

Squid is good.

126 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:22:19pm

re: #114 zombie

The also want a constitutional ban on gay marriages too. It's just stupid but the base loves this stuff.

127 notutopia  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:22:37pm

If Steele is Pro-life, and they knew this when the GOP selected him to pull this together, I'm asking the big question, WHY select STEELE in the first place, knowing his stance on this issue?
And, Why do we have Huckabee spouting his agenda and slamming Steele, in defense of the GOP's position vs. Steele's?
Wake Up GOP! Get your ASS in gear! Decide what the party ideals and platform is going to be, and let's get on with purging and prepping for the upcoming elections.
This kind of decision making floundering for the party chairman, and Huckabee's testicular glandstanding is really starting to piss me off.

128 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:22:48pm

re: #116 DaddyG

Technically you are a cluster of cells - albeit a bit more developed than the new fetus. Would sucking you through a pipe and flushing you down the drain be pro-life?

When you or any other reproductive scientist can determine without error the exact moment that cluster of cells becomes a sentient being or determine when the spirit of that child enters that forming body then we can talk about the relative merits of killing a fetus over any other human being.

Thank you, DaddyG. That struck just the right answer to that pro-abortion screed.

129 chicagodudewhotrades  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:23:10pm

I have liked Mike Steele for a while. He always seemed to have good points and made sense when I saw him on TV. I thought it was a good idea when he became RNC chair. But, I have to admit, he has stumbled since being named the chair. I'm not sure if he needs to be replaced yet, but he needs to get it together quick.

130 loppyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:23:21pm

re: #126 Killgore Trout

The also want a constitutional ban on gay marriages too. It's just stupid but the base loves this stuff.

I believe it's a state's rights issue, but don't lose sight of the fact that every time a same sex marriage ban is put on a statewide ballot it wins.

131 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:23:38pm

.....and this is why candidates like Mitt and Rudy can't win the primaries.

132 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:23:49pm

re: #88 gegenkritik

Abortion is prolife because it grants self-determination of a woman over her life. Otherwise, a cluster of cells rules over the life of a human being.


If this worked, see my avatar of my Granddaughter in the womb and tell me that she is just a cluster of cells.

133 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:24:01pm

re: #125 filetandrelease

Squid is good.

so are Rocky Mt oysters....

134 loppyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:24:04pm

Has the MSM given any coverage to the new DNC chair, Slingblade Kane?

135 LGoPs  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:24:05pm

re: #88 gegenkritik

Abortion is prolife because it grants self-determination of a woman over her life. Otherwise, a cluster of cells rules over the life of a human being.

You're not Lewis Carroll, are you? The guy that wrote Alice in Wonderland.

136 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:24:05pm

re: #123 SixDegrees

Yes, let's get rid of all the Christians. Well, just the ones who speak about it. We can keep the ones who don't let Christianity inform their opinions and actions and lives. That oughta solve the problem.
/

137 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:24:12pm
138 Boxy_brown  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:24:14pm

re: #129 chicagodudewhotrades


But, I have to admit, he has stumbled since being named the chair. I'm not sure if he needs to be replaced yet, but he needs to get it together quick.

He needs to shut up and do his job.

139 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:24:22pm

re: #111 Honorary Yooper

A Chrysler Airflow? I was hoping for Toonces the cat.

140 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:24:30pm

re: #131 Killgore Trout

.....and this is why candidates like Mitt and Rudy can't win the primaries.

exactly...

141 astronmr20  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:24:34pm

re: #137 taxfreekiller

#69
Arrr

Obama has no rudder, he can not steer himself or be steered, he is a pre-ordained wreck.

Nor a moral compass.

142 NYCHardhat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:24:43pm

re: #113 Gus 802

The Republican party is losing independent voters and swing voters as we speak. These events revolving around the RNC chairman's statement followed by a reversal and/or an apology are not going unnoticed.

re: #117 Dark_Falcon

I wish I could say I thought that would happen, but I'm not sure. The GOP is in disarray and I'm not sure how things will shake out. As for me, I'd suggest that the pro-life give Steele some room. I don't agree with him either, but we can't get rid of him without taking a full broadside from the MSM.

I agree with you both. However, I think these issues won't mean a damn thing when our unemployment is sky-high and our economy is destroyed. There is one thing that always links Dems, Indies, and Repubs together. When people start making money again.

143 victor_yugo  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:25:03pm

OTOH, I think Michael Steele gets it. He's taking the abortion industry's own language and turning it against them.

144 loppyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:25:08pm

re: #131 Killgore Trout

.....and this is why candidates like Mitt and Rudy can't win the primaries.

This and deals between the two other candidates to ensure Mitt's demise.

145 pink freud  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:25:17pm

re: #88 gegenkritik

Abortion is prolife because it grants self-determination of a woman over her life. Otherwise, a cluster of cells rules over the life of a human being.

"A German is someone who cannot tell a lie without believing it himself."

For one who believes the drivel you posted, that a very appropriate tagline you have there.

146 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:25:26pm

re: #119 horse

I don't know about that. In Obama's soviet USA, car steers you. We just along for the ride.

Ding!

147 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:25:26pm

re: #118 astronmr20

Remember, it only takes one carefully-placed shot into a weak spot from an x-wing to bring down the Debt Star.

Fortunately, we have a particular Alaskan governor who is a pretty damn good shot from an aircraft.

The problem is surviving the Debt Star's FLAK (Frakking, Lying, Asshole, Kosslings) and its LIE Fighters and their MSM pilots. She'll need support to survive long enough to get a shot off.

148 96RoadKing  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:25:40pm

Geez...first the Omassiah, now Steele turns out to have repetitive foot in mouth disease.

It's enough to make a guy want to start a whole new political party!

What do you think: 'Bull Moose', 'Federalist', or 'Whigs'?

149 capitalist piglet  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:25:44pm

re: #38 Killgore Trout

I'm not a big Steele fan but he's out of step with the GOP who are more interested in Rush and Coulter than realistic politics.

I don't honestly think that's the problem.

I am different than some conservatives, in that I'm comfortable with accepting and welcoming people that aren't in lockstep on every single detail of every single issue into the party...and I don't particularly care for Ann Coulter, to put it mildly.

I wanted Michael Steele to be party chair - but he has a difficult time with peaceful but firm confrontation when he's speaking to certain people publicly, and that's kind of a deal breaker for me. I'm having a hard time getting past the Nazi Germany thing (especially coming from Democrats - got hypocrisy?). He should have nailed that guy, but his facial expression didn't even change. He almost nodded in agreement.

I have a major problem with that.

150 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:25:46pm

re: #139 Ward Cleaver

A Chrysler Airflow? I was hoping for Toonces the cat.

Well, you said "drives off a cliff". I found something driven off a cliff. Fortunately, as I hope after Obama is done and gone, it is drivable and repairable.

151 victor_yugo  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:26:04pm

re: #141 astronmr20

Nor a moral compass.

Just a moral morass.

152 Gus  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:26:06pm

re: #142 NYCHardhat

I agree with you both. However, I think these issues won't mean a damn thing when our unemployment is sky-high and our economy is destroyed. There is one thing that always links Dems, Indies, and Repubs together. When people start making money again.

True. I know in my case I look the other way on many issues if the overall candidate is looking out for my best interest. Number one on that agenda is money.

153 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:26:27pm

re: #143 victor_yugo

OTOH, I think Michael Steele gets it. He's taking the abortion industry's own language and turning it against them.

That's a good one.

154 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:26:29pm

re: #25 DeathtotheSwiss

Wow, apparently it's jump on republicans day (decade). Is this sort of like tough love or survival of the fittest? If we keep eating up the sane party politicians aren't we doing the job of the main-stream media?

Thank you. I commented on the Steele story on American Thinker blog in a very similar fashion as your above statement. The GOP seems to eat its young and will be left with an empty nest.

155 NYCHardhat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:26:31pm

re: #148 96RoadKing

Geez...first the Omassiah, now Steele turns out to have repetitive foot in mouth disease.

It's enough to make a guy want to start a whole new political party!

What do you think: 'Bull Moose', 'Federalist', or 'Whigs'?

The Lizards?

156 capitalist piglet  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:27:09pm

re: #48 Harry Tuttle

I don't see Rush and Coulter as belonging in the same basket.

Not sure what point you are trying to make.

I don't see them as being the same, either. I don't know how anyone could be a Rush listener and make that claim.

157 Van Helsing  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:27:19pm

re: #130 loppyd

I believe it's a state's rights issue, but don't lose sight of the fact that every time a same sex marriage ban is put on a statewide ballot it wins.

It could only be a state's right issue if any of our beloved elected class actually knew what the 10th amendment meant.

Between the simple wording of the amendment and numerous references in the Federalist Papers it's just too nuanced and complex for them to understand.

So they ignore it.

158 Catttt  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:27:24pm

re: #114 zombie

Are they serious? I'm thinking that's just a beard they are wearing so they can look all conservative and moral, in between voting for Democrat economic plans and meeting their side piece at the Fairmont.

Humphf.

159 nyc redneck  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:27:31pm

re: #93 pink freud

Steele's playing the mush mouth. I agree.

Rendell is spot on. Steele's done. He's not what we need.

he is not a strong dynamic person.
he can't keep his focus.
he's not centered or confident abt. his beliefs.

160 Earick  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:27:36pm

re: #13 Ben Hur

Made me laugh out load!

Family thought I was having a fit.

upding!

161 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:27:43pm

re: #71 Boxy_brown

Great. Lets replace everyone with people who are not ready for prime time, that ought to win elections.

Worked for the Dems....

162 opnion  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:27:50pm

re: #131 Killgore Trout

.....and this is why candidates like Mitt and Rudy can't win the primaries.

Actually Rudy blew it by waiting for Florida. Romney would have won, if all of the Republican primaries were 'Closed"

163 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:27:54pm

re: #156 capitalist piglet

A lot of people make a lot of claims about Rush, who are not listeners.

164 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:28:10pm

re: #130 loppyd

I believe it's a state's rights issue, but don't lose sight of the fact that every time a same sex marriage ban is put on a statewide ballot it wins.

Yep, even in California. Pretty amazing.

165 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:28:22pm

Federalism is dying and it's conservatives that are taking the hit via the gay/abortion sideshow...that's all there is to it no matter how fine you want to split hairs

166 loppyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:28:25pm

re: #163 Taqiyyotomist

A lot of people make a lot of claims about Rush, who are not listeners.

Right on!

167 Boxy_brown  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:28:25pm

re: #123 SixDegrees


The party needs to flush it's religious loons down the toilet if it wants to win elections.


I disagree. The party needs to find a way of getting their vote without sacrificing the centrists. The big tent is what will get us to where we want to go. Not purges.

The problem as I see it is that everyone seems perfectly willing to cut their noses off to spite their faces.

168 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:28:33pm

re: #128 Dark_Falcon Welcome. I'm not a millitant anti-abortion activist, in fact I would not like to see the choice taken from someone who faces the threat of death during delivery or in cases of incest or rape. I even wonder sometimes why the Federal government assumes any authority in this area...

However, that site is over the top and a crass and vile insult to those who value human life. Just this morning I was discussing the death of logic with a collegue on the bus. Sad commentary on our times...

Cluster of cells my _____.

/rant off

169 pink freud  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:29:03pm

re: #149 capitalist piglet

I don't honestly think that's the problem.

I am different than some conservatives, in that I'm comfortable with accepting and welcoming people that aren't in lockstep on every single detail of every single issue into the party...and I don't particularly care for Ann Coulter, to put it mildly.

I wanted Michael Steele to be party chair - but he has a difficult time with peaceful but firm confrontation when he's speaking to certain people publicly, and that's kind of a deal breaker for me. I'm having a hard time getting past the Nazi Germany thing (especially coming from Democrats - got hypocrisy?). He should have nailed that guy, but his facial expression didn't even change. He almost nodded in agreement.

I have a major problem with that.

I feel much the same way as you. The problem with Steele is that he is lacking the leader gene.

170 loppyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:29:19pm

re: #164 Ward Cleaver

Yep, even in California. Pretty amazing.

It would have passed in MA as well, but the legislature blocked it from the ballot through a procedural flim flam.

171 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:29:23pm

re: #84 Killgore Trout

It seems to me that conservatives are yearning for a populist bomb thrower type. Somebody with outrageous politically impossible rhetoric that will pander to the party's dogma. I'd rather see a return to nuts and bolts practical solutions to real world problems.

Coulter is indeed a bomb thrower with some good points and some bullshit thrown in for flavor.

Rush on the other hand, does propose practical solutions quite frequently. Recently in response to our current economic problems, he suggested cutting the capital gains tax in half, giving employees a 6-month payroll tax holiday, reducing corporate tax rates, and cutting individual rates. Further, he suggested that additional spending could be done on infrastructure projects, that it should be a much larger percentage of the stimulus, and that it should not be limited to those that can be started within 70 days of passage of the bill.

He also suggested that proposed spending on welfare programs be reduced as those are in no way stimulative.

I don't think you can put these two in the same basket. Rush is standing on principle similar to what Reagan did in the early 80's when he was as roundly criticized for alienating the 'center' as Rush is now. And we know the end of that story.

172 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:29:35pm

re: #145 pink freud

"A German is someone who cannot tell a lie without believing it himself."

For one who believes the drivel you posted, that a very appropriate tagline you have there.

Whoever said that line insulted myself my sister and everyone on my father's side of my family. I am mostly ethnic German, and I didn't like that line.

173 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:29:36pm

re: #32 redstateredneck

My father was partial to squirrel brains scrambled with some eggs. Gotta have a mess of squirrels to get a good sized portion, though.

Squirrels were found to carry mad cow disease, so be careful. Don't eat the brains of any squirrel behaving squirrely.

174 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:29:44pm

re: #132 newsjunkie_ky

If this worked, see my avatar of my Granddaughter in the womb and tell me that she is just a cluster of cells.

That's beautiful. I can't wait until my 7 start having their own. (Well I can wait until they have spouses first - but you know what I mean).

175 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:29:52pm

re: #159 nyc redneck

he is not a strong dynamic person.
he can't keep his focus.
he's not centered or confident abt. his beliefs.

He lost me when he let D.L. Huguley go on, comparing the RNC convention to a Nazi rally, and didn't call him on it.

176 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:30:24pm

re: #167 Boxy_brown

I disagree. The party needs to find a way of getting their vote without sacrificing the centrists. The big tent is what will get us to where we want to go. Not purges.

The problem as I see it is that everyone seems perfectly willing to cut their noses off to spite their faces.

The DNC definitely isn't a big tent.

177 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:30:57pm

re: #173 Kosh's Shadow

Squirrels were found to carry mad cow disease, so be careful. Don't eat the brains of any squirrel behaving squirrely.

That's pretty much all of them.

178 astronmr20  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:30:57pm

re: #163 Taqiyyotomist

A lot of people make a lot of claims about Rush, who are not listeners.

Correct. They release these "unfavorable" rate numbers about Rush amongst people in their 20's and 30's, etc.

How man of those people have actually listened to one of his shows?

His name has simply become a bad word in some circles. People talk negatively about him, then people who haven't actually heard him simply don't want to be on the record of giving a favorable opinion of him.

179 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:31:14pm

Where'd everybody go?

180 Gus  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:31:33pm

re: #149 capitalist piglet

His reversals and apologies are a clear indication that he doesn't seem to hold his own views to heart. One scenario could be that he doesn't reverse his views or apologize however it is the opposite. He seems as though he adjusts his convictions to meet the need of his critics -- almost in real time.

181 astronmr20  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:31:33pm

re: #171 eschew_obfuscation

Exactly. Rush is no bomb-thrower.

182 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:31:44pm

re: #141 astronmr20

Nor a moral compass.

Nor food for the soul in the galley.

183 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:31:49pm

As for me, I hope that 'Zo becomes the next Rush. Let the left call HIM racist.

184 SixDegrees  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:31:58pm

re: #126 Killgore Trout

The also want a constitutional ban on gay marriages too. It's just stupid but the base loves this stuff.

Well, a rather loud, shrill minority loves this stuff. I would be hesitant to call it the "base," although they certainly like to think of themselves that way, and the Democrats certainly love to tar the entire party using that brush.

It would be in the party's best interest to deliver a lecture, pointing out to such people that their views are fundamentally opposed to those of the nation at the Constitutional level, and are not welcome in the party, although their support in other areas where there is overlap in ideology is welcome. Like promoting limited, non-intrusive government, a core Conservative value that gets flushed down the crapper when you start backing garbage like this.

185 Boxy_brown  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:32:52pm

re: #176 Ward Cleaver

The DNC definitely isn't a big tent.

They won the last couple of elections. I see what you are saying but perception can become reality...at least until people catch on.

186 cubbydave44  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:32:56pm

You know the dems are loving this...

Further proof that the Republican party needs to distance itself from the "religious right."

Huckabee should just concentrate on not getting canceled from FoxNews...

187 Soona'  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:32:58pm

re: #127 notutopia

If Steele is Pro-life, and they knew this when the GOP selected him to pull this together, I'm asking the big question, WHY select STEELE in the first place, knowing his stance on this issue?
And, Why do we have Huckabee spouting his agenda and slamming Steele, in defense of the GOP's position vs. Steele's?
Wake Up GOP! Get your ASS in gear! Decide what the party ideals and platform is going to be, and let's get on with purging and prepping for the upcoming elections.
This kind of decision making floundering for the party chairman, and Huckabee's testicular glandstanding is really starting to piss me off.

I'm beginning to think that there is not one, not one intelligent person in national politics at the present time.

188 loppyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:33:01pm

Classic:

‘The planet? I just don't give a f***’


NOEL GALLAGHER upset pal CHRIS MARTIN when he vetoed the COLDPLAY singer's attempts to get him to go green.

The singer said he "genuinely didn't give a f***" when the star quizzed him on environmental issues over dinner.

And more!

In the interview with Talksport magazine, Noel was also questioned on JAMES BLUNT'S view that flying is bad for the environment.

He added: "The thought of James Blunt gives me a migraine. James Blunt is bad for the environment that surrounds this part of my f***ing head here

."

Chris Martin is married to Gweneth Paltrow in case anyone cares.

189 pink freud  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:33:09pm

re: #172 Dark_Falcon

Whoever said that line insulted myself my sister and everyone on my father's side of my family. I am mostly ethnic German, and I didn't like that line.

I don't like it either. It's the tagline for gegenkritik on its profile.

190 opnion  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:33:09pm

re: #175 Ward Cleaver

He lost me when he let D.L. Huguley go on, comparing the RNC convention to a Nazi rally, and didn't call him on it.

Exactly right, he looked like he was pandering.
He is the Chairman of the RNC & that by definition is a partisan position.
I have always liked Michael Steele , but he may now be too damaged.

191 KenJen  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:33:14pm

re: #182 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Nor food for the soul in the galley.

He does have plenty of wind to fill the sails.

192 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:33:38pm

re: #179 Ward Cleaver

Where'd everybody go?

tree rat hunting...now they're eating tree rat brains

193 NYCHardhat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:33:53pm

re: #188 loppyd

Classic:

‘The planet? I just don't give a f***’

."

Chris Martin is married to Gweneth Paltrow in case anyone cares.

Gweneth is a retard. Hot. But a retard.

194 Desert Dog  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:34:06pm

re: #175 Ward Cleaver

He lost me when he let D.L. Huguley go on, comparing the RNC convention to a Nazi rally, and didn't call him on it.

I agree, that was amazing....the LEADER of the Republican party! Taking crap from a two-bit unfunny comedian! D.L. is not a tower of intellectual might.....Steele should have shut his ass up and read him the riot act. Instead, he sat there and basically AGREED with what he was saying....

see ya Michael...you are not what we need, sorry

195 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:34:25pm

re: #110 NYCHardhat

Pee Wee Herman is a Republican?/

Oops. Wrong link.

196 victor_yugo  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:34:53pm

re: #185 Boxy_brown

They won the last couple of elections. I see what you are saying but perception can become reality...at least until people catch on.

Check the reports of ACORN harassment during the general election, and you'll get an idea how the Dems "won".

They stole it fair and square.

197 SixDegrees  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:35:32pm

re: #167 Boxy_brown

I disagree. The party needs to find a way of getting their vote without sacrificing the centrists. The big tent is what will get us to where we want to go. Not purges.

The problem as I see it is that everyone seems perfectly willing to cut their noses off to spite their faces.

I take your point. But I view the religious zealots as a tiny, though shrill, minority whose influence on the party is out of all proportion to their actual representation and who are fundamentally destructive to the party. As I noted in another post, above, their support is welcome where there is ideological overlap. But it needs to be clear - to the zealots and to everyone else - that the GOP is not going to support policies that infringe on the rights of other Americans, that violate the Constitution, or that run counter to Conservative values like government that stays out of people's personal lives as much as possible.

198 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:35:49pm

re: #167 Boxy_brown

I disagree. The party needs to find a way of getting their vote without sacrificing the centrists. The big tent is what will get us to where we want to go. Not purges.

The problem as I see it is that everyone seems perfectly willing to cut their noses off to spite their faces.

Spot on.

199 loppyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:35:51pm

re: #196 victor_yugo

Check the reports of ACORN harassment during the general election, and you'll get an idea how the Dems "won".

They stole it fair and square.

I was witness to rampant voter fraud while working on election day.

200 Gus  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:36:24pm

re: #194 Desert Dog

That's part of the problem with Steele. He does let people roll over him -- apparently from all sides.. I expressed my reservations about him when he was chosen a while back.

201 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:36:37pm

Steele should not get into his own opinions beyond the three legged stool...solidarity...if the far right would leave their pet issues to the states and vote in the middle the donks would never win another presidency...they can't shut the fuck up and it's killing the GOP

202 gegenkritik  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:36:40pm

re: #145 pink freud

"A German is someone who cannot tell a lie without believing it himself."

For one who believes the drivel you posted, that a very appropriate tagline you have there.

I don't think you know the context of this quote.

When you or any other reproductive scientist can determine without error the exact moment that cluster of cells becomes a sentient being or determine when the spirit of that child enters that forming body then we can talk about the relative merits of killing a fetus over any other human being.


As an atheist, I don't believe in spirits entering childs. But I do believe in the right of human self-determination, rather than a cluster of cells ruling a human's life.
My critique towards pro-choice-activists is different: contrary to what they postulate, no human being is uninfluenced by social totality, and neither is a pregnant woman.

203 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:36:45pm

re: #148 96RoadKing

Geez...first the Omassiah, now Steele turns out to have repetitive foot in mouth disease.

It's enough to make a guy want to start a whole new political party!

What do you think: 'Bull Moose', 'Federalist', or 'Whigs'?

"Capitalist Party" (so it can be in stark contrast to the Obamaite Communists). with the lizard as its mascot.

204 Westward Ho  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:36:58pm

Bollocks to the Zygotes and Blastocysts fanatics - overpopulation is not cool and is extremely slum dog millionaireish.

205 loppyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:37:09pm

re: #167 Boxy_brown

I disagree. The party needs to find a way of getting their vote without sacrificing the centrists. The big tent is what will get us to where we want to go. Not purges.

The problem as I see it is that everyone seems perfectly willing to cut their noses off to spite their faces.

This has to happen without sacrificing the core. Hard to marry the two.

George W. Bush won reelection without being a centrist.

206 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:37:27pm

re: #184 SixDegrees Bravo SixDegrees!

When can the GOP get back to the idea of limited government and stop trying to be the other big government but different party.

I would really rather preserve the freedom of all people to act according to the dictates of their own conscience and leave the "we know what's good for you" politicians at home; regardless of party.

207 NYCHardhat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:37:29pm

re: #195 MandyManners

Oops. Wrong link.

Look! Its John McCain.

208 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:37:32pm

re: #174 DaddyG

That's beautiful. I can't wait until my 7 start having their own. (Well I can wait until they have spouses first - but you know what I mean).


She is beautiful and God's gift to us. How anyone could see a sonogram of a baby (and they are babies) and then pierce their skull and suck out their brains is...!

209 Boxy_brown  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:37:39pm

re: #184 SixDegrees

It would be in the party's best interest to deliver a lecture, pointing out to such people that their views are fundamentally opposed to those of the nation at the Constitutional level...

Kind of hard when you have so many commentators telling them that the ideal is simply the obverse of the same coin that Bill Ayres wants: A hyper-conservative nanny state.

"and are not welcome in the party,"

I believe they should be welcomed, but shouldn't be allowed a veto over everyone else which is what they have grown accustomed to.

210 Truck Monkey  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:37:42pm

re: #132 newsjunkie_ky

G-d bless you newsjunkie. These cells are formed to create a new human life. Not a fish. A bird. A rat. They are uniquely, genetically human. They now operate on fetus' in the womb in the first trimester with remarkable results. No one can convince me that abortion is just a "choice" issue. I do feel sorry for those that end up in situations where they have an unwanted pregnancy but there are other options that would constitute choice that don't involve shredding a human fetus in the womb.

Nuff said.

211 loppyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:37:50pm

re: #200 Gus 802

That's part of the problem with Steele. He does let people roll over him -- apparently from all sides.. I expressed my reservations about him when he was chosen a while back.

I don't want nice. I want someone who will kick ass and take names and make no apologies for it.

212 brookly red  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:37:54pm

re: #199 loppyd

I was witness to rampant voter fraud while working on election day.

I got no issue with a national ID.

213 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:38:04pm

re: #168 DaddyG

Welcome. I'm not a millitant anti-abortion activist, in fact I would not like to see the choice taken from someone who faces the threat of death during delivery or in cases of incest or rape. I even wonder sometimes why the Federal government assumes any authority in this area...

However, that site is over the top and a crass and vile insult to those who value human life. Just this morning I was discussing the death of logic with a collegue on the bus. Sad commentary on our times...

Cluster of cells my _____.

/rant off

Hear, hear! I'm not militant either and I would be amenable to a compromise. That said preference would be to ban abortion with the following exceptions:

1. Rape
2. Incest
3. Life of Mother in danger or strong chance of permanent damage to health of mother.
4. Unborn child has a condition that will cause early childhood death.

214 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:38:06pm

re: #195 MandyManners

Oops. Wrong link.

Well it sort of looked like a Rino around the horn area... LOL

215 NYCHardhat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:38:09pm

re: #199 loppyd

I was witness to rampant voter fraud while working on election day.

What happened?

216 Racer X  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:38:32pm

We're all gonna die.
- Billy

217 Gus  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:38:52pm

re: #216 Racer X

We're all gonna die.
- Billy

Nooooooooooooooooo!

//

218 KansasMom  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:39:10pm

I guess I don't understand what he did wrong. He used the word 'choice', but went on to say he was glad his mother chose life. Is there another quote that is causing trouble, something he said earlier perhaps?

I'm more concerned with his second quote, where his views don't matter, only the Party Platform does. That sets a dangerous precedent for the Republican Party.

219 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:39:15pm

re: #183 Taqiyyotomist

As for me, I hope that 'Zo becomes the next Rush. Let the left call HIM racist.

Zo is great! He, like Rush, has a lot of common sense.

220 loppyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:39:32pm

re: #212 brookly red

I got no issue with a national ID.

They will still find a way to cheat. I saw it all that day.

221 SixDegrees  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:39:46pm

re: #176 Ward Cleaver

The DNC definitely isn't a big tent.

They're rapidly expanding. Nearly all of the newly-elected Democrats in the last two national elections have won by running on more Conservative platforms than their Republican opponents, or by promising to deliver Conservative results that their opponents had failed to uphold. There is the potential for a schism in the party - one that the GOP could be exploiting, if it had any leadership - but at least for the moment such views are attracting Conservatives who feel disenfranchised by the GOP, especially those who don't like the specter of state-sponsored religion being emplaced, which is what the Fundies seem to be aiming for.

222 LGoPs  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:39:50pm

re: #84 Killgore Trout

It seems to me that conservatives are yearning for a populist bomb thrower type. Somebody with outrageous politically impossible rhetoric that will pander to the party's dogma. I'd rather see a return to nuts and bolts practical solutions to real world problems.

I think Coulter fills a void with her In Your Face approach. I've had my fill from about 30 years of in your face from the radical left and I enjoy watching her sling it right back at them.
That doesn't mean I want her nominated for POTUS. But I do like a having a response to the Carville/Begala/O'Donnell/Maher/Stephanopolous/Donahue etc/etc/etc machine.
When you're fighting a war, you need multiple weapons. And if, by the way, this makes us unpopular with the media........Fuck Them. As far as they're concerned we could all commit suicide and it wouldn't have been fast enough.......

223 victor_yugo  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:39:51pm

re: #202 gegenkritik

As an atheist, I don't believe in spirits entering childs. But I do believe in the right of human self-determination, rather than a cluster of cells ruling a human's life.

And why should that baby boy be killed at the whim of the cluster of cells containing him?

You're pulling semantic tricks to cover up what you don't want to admit.

224 loppyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:39:53pm

re: #215 NYCHardhat

What happened?

same day registration is what happened.

225 Gus  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:39:53pm

Litmus Test

226 vagabond trader  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:39:58pm

re: #88 gegenkritik

Bullshit! A woman can be in total control of her reproductive system without fear of submitting to a barbaric procedure every time she has sex by:

a. using appropriate birth control
b. getting her tubes ties

227 jamgarr  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:40:14pm

Bill Cosby on Chris Matthews - I think he's gone senile

228 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:40:17pm

GAZE.

229 avanti  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:40:20pm

re: #169 pink freud

I feel much the same way as you. The problem with Steele is that he is lacking the leader gene.

I knew when I read the interview, and liked what I read, he was doomed. He's moderate enough to appeal to folks outside the base, but the base is yet ready to move to a social center it seems.

230 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:40:36pm

re: #189 pink freud

I don't like it either. It's the tagline for gegenkritik on its profile.

I hadn't looked. Thank you for the clarification.

/not sarc

231 loppyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:40:54pm

re: #227 jamgarr

Bill Cosby on Chris Matthews - I think he's gone senile

which one?

232 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:41:11pm

re: #221 SixDegrees

They're rapidly expanding. Nearly all of the newly-elected Democrats in the last two national elections have won by running on more Conservative platforms than their Republican opponents, or by promising to deliver Conservative results that their opponents had failed to uphold. There is the potential for a schism in the party - one that the GOP could be exploiting, if it had any leadership - but at least for the moment such views are attracting Conservatives who feel disenfranchised by the GOP, especially those who don't like the specter of state-sponsored religion being emplaced, which is what the Fundies seem to be aiming for.

You mean lamebrains like Heath Shuler?

233 NYCHardhat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:41:22pm

re: #224 loppyd

same day registration is what happened.

The biggest coup is history.

234 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:41:23pm

re: #199 loppyd

I was witness to rampant voter fraud while working on election day.

Have you documented this anywhere? It would be good to have a repostitory of similar stories for reference.

235 jamgarr  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:41:32pm

re: #231 loppyd

which one?

LOL! Cosby. Matthews is just evil.

236 opnion  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:41:32pm

It seems to me that talk of purging the Religious Right from the Republican Party is counter -productive. You win by addiion not subtraction, however while I think that they should be welcome, they should not be pandered to.

237 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:41:35pm

sigh

238 Soona'  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:41:46pm

re: #167 Boxy_brown

I disagree. The party needs to find a way of getting their vote without sacrificing the centrists. The big tent is what will get us to where we want to go. Not purges.

The problem as I see it is that everyone seems perfectly willing to cut their noses off to spite their faces.

There's enough conservative minded people in this country that if given a conservative candidate, not only for pres. but congress also, could elect those candidates without the fucking centrist vote. It's going after the centrists that got us into the mess we're in now.

239 brookly red  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:41:46pm

re: #220 loppyd

They will still find a way to cheat. I saw it all that day.

Yeah, so we can at least make it harder.

240 loppyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:41:52pm

re: #233 NYCHardhat

The biggest coup is history.

It was sickening. I challenged as many as I could, but it was hard to keep up.

241 Boxy_brown  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:42:07pm

re: #196 victor_yugo

Check the reports of ACORN harassment during the general election, and you'll get an idea how the Dems "won".

They stole it fair and square.

It would be nice to believe that, but even if ACORN is a repugnant criminal organization; if we are going to beat them we need an honest assessment of what got us to were we are now. Hopey Changey had more on his side than marxist organizers.. Like the Media, school system, a Republican party that blew it when it was in charge..

242 NYCHardhat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:42:08pm

re: #227 jamgarr

Bill Cosby on Chris Matthews - I think he's gone senile

Chris Matthews is a butt plug.

243 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:42:17pm

re: #227 jamgarr

Bill Cosby on Chris Matthews - I think he's gone senile

That's too bad, since he's been known to stand up to the popular black "culture" of rap music and crap like that.

244 loppyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:42:17pm

re: #235 jamgarr

LOL! Cosby. Matthews is just evil.

Well he does get spittle in the corners of his mouth.

245 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:42:17pm

re: #212 brookly red

I got no issue with a national ID.

Nor do I.

246 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:42:17pm

re: #167 Boxy_brown

I disagree. The party needs to find a way of getting their vote without sacrificing the centrists. The big tent is what will get us to where we want to go. Not purges.

The problem as I see it is that everyone seems perfectly willing to cut their noses off to spite their faces.

I think you're falling victim to a paradox that should have been cleared up with Reagan's election. He vigorously defended conservative principles, did not 'move to the center' to attract moderates and got their vote anyway. He was a strong, communicative leader. We don't need a candidate that will pander to the center. That just appears as someone without a strong, principled direction.... weak.... McCain.

247 jamgarr  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:42:37pm

re: #243 Ward Cleaver

That's too bad, since he's been known to stand up to the popular black "culture" of rap music and crap like that.


I agree.

248 dhg4  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:42:47pm

I think that this is pretty good defense of Steele.

I don't know why the pro-life crowd is getting upset. I think Steele's been pretty clear how he himself feels about abortion - and he got clobbered for it. And he was subjected to the dishonest attack by Michael J. Fox on stem cell research.

LIke Right Wing News said, Steele was talking about the status of abortion in this country, not his own personal views.

249 yochanan  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:42:59pm

I vote GOP despite the ABORTION POSTION. Frankly there are times when abortion is the moral choice as well as the medical choice. There are also times when it isn't.

not everybody in the GOP is a RIGHT TO LIFER

I for one am not.

250 loppyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:43:03pm

re: #239 brookly red

Yeah, so we can at least make it harder.

Agreed.

251 Lizard by the Bay  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:43:04pm

Can we find the Huckabees of the world their own party, please? The Religious Demagogue Party has a nice ring to it.

252 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:43:04pm

I wish the social conservatives would get this through their heads. There is no damn way a constitutional amendment will pass banning abortion. NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

253 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:43:14pm

re: #202 gegenkritik

As an atheist, I don't believe in spirits entering childs. But I do believe in the right of human self-determination, rather than a cluster of cells ruling a human's life.
My critique towards pro-choice-activists is different: contrary to what they postulate, no human being is uninfluenced by social totality, and neither is a pregnant woman.

I know this is probably a waste of time, but read carefully: I asked you if someone could determine when a fetus becomes a sentient being. That's not religious so don't hide behind the "As an athiest" garbage.

Also- if you are so worried about the collective social totality if it is
A) population control issues = then again how does killing a developing human being have any advantage over killing the elderly or atheist intellectuals (after all its the secularists who have been the best at genocide in the last century).
or
B) The cost emotionally to the woman involved. I've counseled with survivors of unplanned pregnancies and abortions alike and I can tell you the trauma of abortion is comparable if not greater than raising a child out of wedlock or adoption.

Sorry - I'm not an unthinking religious fanatic. I am a thinking religious person who doesn't buy your crap that life can be traded for convenience.

254 zombie  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:43:48pm

re: #213 Dark_Falcon

Hear, hear! I'm not militant either and I would be amenable to a compromise. That said preference would be to ban abortion with the following exceptions:

1. Rape
2. Incest
3. Life of Mother in danger or strong chance of permanent damage to health of mother.
4. Unborn child has a condition that will cause early childhood death.

I find that stance mildly hypocritical. Sorry.

Basically, you're advocating murdering a child because its father committed a crime. (Rape.)

If a ten-year-old's father went out and raped someone, should we just kill the ten-year-old, on general principles? No? Then why make the same argument (as you are doing) about a 10-week old embryo?

If you truly believe that an embryo is a human being, then it is not the embryo's fault that its father is a criminal. You are condemning the child to death for the crime of another.

255 brookly red  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:43:51pm

re: #245 Dark_Falcon

Nor do I.

Actually, a passport will do just fine.

256 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:43:59pm

re: #236 opnion

It seems to me that talk of purging the Religious Right from the Republican Party is counter -productive. You win by addiion not subtraction, however while I think that they should be welcome, they should not be pandered to.

right..and leave their personal agenda home, as in their home state...they defy the principle of small govt when they intrude with their bullshit gay/abortion agenda...it pisses me off that they dont seem to realize the damage they do

257 loppyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:44:16pm

Uh-oh. Is this thread turning into what I think it is?

258 iLikeCandy  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:44:28pm

re: #42 karmic_inquisitor

snip

California used to be a Republican majority state with Republican governors (many of whom, like Ronald Reagan, were pro-choice). Then the litmus test arrived and now Democrats run everything. And there has been no backlash to re establish the party here.

For accuracy's sake, Reagan was pro-life, but he signed pro-choice legislation that he explicitly disagreed with because a majority of Californians supported it. He did not care for a cram-down.

And further re accuracy, Steele makes the same argument many pro-life conservatives do, namely that the fault with Roe v. Wade is federal usurpation of State's rights:

Interviewer: If you overturn Roe v. Wade, how do women have the choice you just said they should have?

M: The states should make that choice: that's what the choice is. The individual choice rests in the states. Let them decide.

259 filetandrelease  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:44:48pm

re: #131 Killgore Trout

.....and this is why candidates like Mitt and Rudy can't win the primaries.

It is sad to see the Grand Ol' Party self destructing. Between this litmus test and the ID movement, it may be time to ..... hell I don't know, move to Costa Rica. Maybe sell out and get a goverment job.

260 NYCHardhat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:45:02pm

Cosby is not making sense.

261 zombie  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:45:05pm

re: #257 loppyd

Uh-oh. Is this thread turning into what I think it is?

Abortion threads always end up this way.

262 jamgarr  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:45:26pm

The last half of Cosby's sentences get introduced to the first half too late.

263 victor_yugo  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:46:11pm

re: #249 yochanan

Even if the very first right named in our nation's founding document is the right to life?

264 loppyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:46:17pm

re: #259 filetandrelease

It is sad to see the Grand Ol' Party self destructing. Between this litmus test and the ID movement, it may be time to ..... hell I don't know, move to Costa Rica. Maybe sell out and get a goverment job.

I don't know how many times I have said this, but not one person I know votes on ID or abortion. Period.

265 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:46:27pm

re: #255 brookly red

Actually, a passport will do just fine.

that too...but they are becoming pretty expensive...100-150$

266 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:46:27pm

re: #11 Ward Cleaver

It's just another problem, after the interview on CNN with Huguley, where he didn't stand up for the party, allowing that washed-up comedian to compare them to Nazis.

Thank you. That one really bothers me more than this.

267 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:46:30pm

re: #249 yochanan

I vote GOP despite the ABORTION POSTION. Frankly there are times when abortion is the moral choice as well as the medical choice. There are also times when it isn't.

not everybody in the GOP is a RIGHT TO LIFER

I for one am not.

Well said.

268 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:46:30pm

re: #261 zombie
"dogs and cats living together, human sacrifice....mass hysteria"!

269 SixDegrees  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:46:37pm

re: #232 Ward Cleaver

You mean lamebrains like Heath Shuler?

I was thinking in particular of Gene Taylor - [Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...] - and several others.

270 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:46:44pm

re: #249 yochanan

I vote GOP despite the ABORTION POSTION. Frankly there are times when abortion is the moral choice as well as the medical choice. There are also times when it isn't.

not everybody in the GOP is a RIGHT TO LIFER

I for one am not.

When I was younger, and pro-choice, I voted for Reagan twice, in spite of his pro-life views.

271 opnion  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:46:50pm

re: #256 albusteve

right..and leave their personal agenda home, as in their home state...they defy the principle of small govt when they intrude with their bullshit gay/abortion agenda...it pisses me off that they dont seem to realize the damage they do

You are spot on.

272 NYCHardhat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:46:52pm

re: #268 pingjockey

"dogs and cats living together, human sacrifice....mass hysteria"!

Venkman.

273 loppyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:46:57pm

re: #261 zombie

Abortion threads always end up this way.

I was under the impression it was verboten.

274 nyc redneck  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:46:58pm

re: #175 Ward Cleaver

He lost me when he let D.L. Huguley go on, comparing the RNC convention to a Nazi rally, and didn't call him on it.

he lost me when he let that hack ridicule and malign rush
and basically agree w/ his hateful statements.
this after rush had been his friend and supporter for years.
you don't treat your friends like that.
it shows a deep character flaw.
who wants him in a fox hole,
after such a breach of trust?

275 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:47:11pm

re: #257 loppyd

Uh-oh. Is this thread turning into what I think it is?

Yep.

276 victor_yugo  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:47:44pm

re: #254 zombie

Thank you. That puts words to the uneasiness I've felt for years.

277 loppyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:47:44pm

re: #270 Ward Cleaver

When I was younger, and pro-choice, I voted for Reagan twice, in spite of his pro-life views.

I wish I had been old enough to vote for Reagan.

278 jamgarr  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:47:57pm

Matthews knows he got schooled by Ari - he can't let it go.

279 Van Helsing  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:47:59pm

re: #256 albusteve

right..and leave their personal agenda home, as in their home state...they defy the principle of small govt when they intrude with their bullshit gay/abortion agenda...it pisses me off that they dont seem to realize the damage they do

I'd certainly support a party that adhered more to the Constitution. And please don't take that to mean the 3/5ths person and other parts that were dealt with scores of decades ago.

Limiting voting to those that actually have a stake in the country, that could be worth re-examining...

280 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:48:03pm

re: #267 Afrocity

Well said.

Entirely too many 'one-issue' voters with litmus tests.

There is no perfect candidate, but there could easily be one that covers most of the conservative bases.

281 iLikeCandy  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:48:13pm

re: #249 yochanan

I vote GOP despite the ABORTION POSTION. Frankly there are times when abortion is the moral choice as well as the medical choice. There are also times when it isn't.

not everybody in the GOP is a RIGHT TO LIFER

I for one am not.

Ditto.

282 razorbacker  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:48:25pm

re: #16 Ward Cleaver

I've eaten squirrel (it tastes like chicken).

/no kidding

Then I suspect, without wanting to check, that rat tastes like chicken, too.

Don't bother, I've seen the 'magic chicken' poster.

283 Boxy_brown  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:48:32pm

re: #246 eschew_obfuscation

think you're falling victim to a paradox that should have been cleared up with Reagan's election. He vigorously defended conservative principles, did not 'move to the center' to attract moderates and got their vote anyway.

When Reagan ran he was called the equivalent of a RINO back then on the right. Not without some justification, he raised taxes, signed the most liberal abortion laws and allowed illegal immigration when governor of California. What made Reagan possible is that everyone was willing to "hold their nose" and vote for him because Carter was just that horrible.

See any Reagan's coming down the Pike?

284 loppyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:48:42pm

re: #256 albusteve

right..and leave their personal agenda home, as in their home state...they defy the principle of small govt when they intrude with their bullshit gay/abortion agenda...it pisses me off that they dont seem to realize the damage they do

Um, this country just elected someone who brought his personal agenda with him everywhere he went.

285 opnion  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:48:59pm

re: #258 iLikeCandy

California did not turn Democrat because of Roe V Wade. It was a demographinc shift. Latinos favor Democrats.

286 victor_yugo  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:49:18pm

re: #273 loppyd

I was under the impression it was verboten.

This is the first abortion thread in a long time. And Charles is the one who started it.

287 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:49:19pm

re: #279 Van Helsing
How about limiting it to those who pay frakkin' taxes?! I think that is a helluva idea.

288 astronmr20  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:49:22pm

re: #188 loppyd

Classic:

‘The planet? I just don't give a f***’

."

Chris Martin is married to Gweneth Paltrow in case anyone cares.

Now THAT'S how a rockstar is supposed to act!

289 Neutral President  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:49:40pm

re: #202 gegenkritik

As an atheist, I don't believe in spirits entering childs. But I do believe in the right of human self-determination, rather than a cluster of cells ruling a human's life.
My critique towards pro-choice-activists is different: contrary to what they postulate, no human being is uninfluenced by social totality, and neither is a pregnant woman.

There goes the "cluster of cells" crap again. Extreme left-wing pseudo-intellectual talking points. Rationalization of what boils down to "anything goes". Dehumanize the infant so you can justify infanticide when carrying the infant is too inconvenient (ie harshing my buzz or killing my social life).

You talk a good game on self-determination, but apparently that does not apply to a unborn child. Where is his or her right life and self-determination?

Whether you believe in "souls" entering bodies is irrelevant. You want to take that down a notch into the realm of science, how about when the CNS is developed enough for independent neural activity to commence?

I am not an anti-abortion absolutist. It's not a litmus test to me or a hill to die on. I support overturning RvW so that this can go to the states (where most of them will legalize it anyway) because RvW is bad law and a 10th amendment violation IMO. I'm ok with emergency contraception and extremely early abortions where its likely no neural activity has stated yet.

That being said I cannot stomach the absolute disregard for the seriousness of this issue taken by you and your disregard of the rights of a sentient being for some asinine philosophical logical extreme. As far as I'm concerned the "choice" was whether or not to have unprotected sex and/or not use emergency contraception in the first place.

290 filetandrelease  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:49:58pm

re: #264 loppyd

I don't know how many times I have said this, but not one person I know votes on ID or abortion. Period.


You need to get out more.

291 KansasMom  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:50:10pm

re: #249 yochanan

I vote GOP despite the ABORTION POSTION. Frankly there are times when abortion is the moral choice as well as the medical choice. There are also times when it isn't.

I think you hit the nail on the head. This is not a simple issue with a simple one-size-fits-all answer.

292 Boxy_brown  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:50:14pm

re: #258 iLikeCandy

For accuracy's sake, Reagan was pro-life, but he signed pro-choice legislation that he explicitly disagreed with because a majority of Californians supported it.

That kind of nuance isn't going to fly in the current environment.

293 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:50:22pm

re: #210 Truck Monkey

G-d bless you newsjunkie. These cells are formed to create a new human life. Not a fish. A bird. A rat. They are uniquely, genetically human. They now operate on fetus' in the womb in the first trimester with remarkable results. No one can convince me that abortion is just a "choice" issue. I do feel sorry for those that end up in situations where they have an unwanted pregnancy but there are other options that would constitute choice that don't involve shredding a human fetus in the womb.

Nuff said.


And even those who are not religious should consider the fact that that human can never be again. Their genetic makeup is totally unique.
For all those that believe in evolution, then it is 'nature' over 'nurture' and the DNA that is that 'cluster of cells' will never happen again and that 'cluster of cells' could have the cure for cancer or AIDS in their DNA. Or, be the greatest leader in history, but once aborted can never be again.

294 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:50:24pm

re: #279 Van Helsing

I'd certainly support a party that adhered more to the Constitution. And please don't take that to mean the 3/5ths person and other parts that were dealt with scores of decades ago.

Limiting voting to those that actually have a stake in the country, that could be worth re-examining...

and it would be far easier to suppress voter fraud...not sure I agree tho

295 Van Helsing  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:50:24pm

re: #287 pingjockey

How about limiting it to those who pay frakkin' taxes?! I think that is a helluva idea.

That was pretty much what I had in mind.

296 loppyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:50:31pm

re: #286 victor_yugo

This is the first abortion thread in a long time. And Charles is the one who started it.

This is true.

297 LGoPs  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:50:32pm

re: #264 loppyd

I don't know how many times I have said this, but not one person I know votes on ID or abortion. Period.

I agree with you on the Republican side. On the Democratic side however, I think that you could clone Hitler and as long as he was Pro Choice, he'd have a lock on a huge percentage of voters. And he'd be a shoo-in to be elected if you could make him good looking too.
/ I have an infinitesimally small amount of respect for Democrats......

298 gegenkritik  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:50:34pm

re: #189 pink freud

I don't like it either. It's the tagline for gegenkritik on its profile.


I am German myself. This quote does not refer to people living in Germany per se, but to people who are referring to what one can call Deutsche Ideologie.

299 iLikeCandy  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:50:43pm

re: #285 opnion

Latinos favor Democrats.

Ironically enough.

300 loppyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:51:07pm

re: #290 filetandrelease

You need to get out more.

Nice.

You need to learn some manners.

301 iLikeCandy  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:51:22pm

re: #292 Boxy_brown

That kind of nuance isn't going to fly in the current environment.

Alas, this is true.

302 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:51:48pm

re: #284 loppyd

Um, this country just elected someone who brought his personal agenda with him everywhere he went.

and he is no conservative

303 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:51:55pm
304 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:51:57pm

re: #295 Van Helsing
The damn ID card is good too. However, most of Wa. state is vote by mail! Fraud writ large for the donks.

305 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:52:00pm

re: #258 iLikeCandy

"I'm fully sympathetic with attempts to liberalize the outdated abortion law now on the books in California."

Ronald Reagan upon signing the California abortion statute in 1967 per Investor's Business Daily.

306 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:52:26pm

I'll sign off before the meltdowns start. See you guys later.

307 loppyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:52:27pm

re: #288 astronmr20

Now THAT'S how a rockstar is supposed to act!

Makes me want to listen to some Oasis!

308 NYCHardhat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:52:32pm

re: #284 loppyd

Um, this country just elected someone who brought his personal agenda with him everywhere he went.

don't forget his teleprompter.

309 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:52:34pm

re: #296 loppyd

This is true.

he thinks we've matured...hahaha

310 loppyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:52:39pm

re: #306 Ward Cleaver

I'll sign off before the meltdowns start. See you guys later.

Later, Ward.

311 loppyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:53:12pm

re: #308 NYCHardhat

don't forget his teleprompter.

LOL!

312 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:53:20pm

re: #289 ArchangelMichael

Some people oppose emergency contraception.

313 brookly red  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:53:29pm

re: #265 albusteve

that too...but they are becoming pretty expensive...100-150$

Yes, but putting it out there that that voter fruad is just not acceptable, and then letting THEM go on the record that THEY support it is well worth the price... besides for the price of one frisbee golf course the feds could pick up the tab for all passports IMHO.

314 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:53:34pm

re: #306 Ward Cleaver
Vaya con Dios.

315 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:53:35pm

re: #211 loppyd

I don't want nice. I want someone who will kick ass and take names and make no apologies for it.

Agreed. It would also be nice if some of our leading lights knew even half the history that the average Lizard knows. To not respond to Hughley's insanity with facts regarding, say, the Klan's founding, or the CRA of 1964, shows that Steele probably is not aware of these facts, and is probably as historically illiterate as 90% of the nation. We need leaders who know history - real, un-revised history - and can use this knowledge off the cuff, impromptu, with no teleprompter. Our elected leaders are supposed to know more than us, yet, nobody - not Palin, not Steele, not Jindal, not Gingrich, not ANYONE, knows how to debate and use relevant information to actually provide an answer to a question. It seems that if they don't have it written for them, then it doesn't get said. If it's not in the Talking Points for the week, then it's not usable as material. It almost enrages me when I see these limo-riding elected douchebags unable to answer questions that even I, an un-college-educated 38-y.o. videogame player and reader of blogs, can just about answer in my sleep...and I'm in the bottom percentile here at LGF when it comes to knowledge. The BOTTOM! Why do we elect leaders who are more ignorant that the likes of ME?!

316 loppyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:53:40pm

re: #309 albusteve

he thinks we've matured...hahaha

not bloody likely!

317 Van Helsing  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:54:35pm

re: #304 pingjockey

The damn ID card is good too. However, most of Wa. state is vote by mail! Fraud writ large for the donks.

There are certainly problems with voting by mail but the real lunacy is same day registration.

If y'all can't get registered before voting day then you probably shouldn't be allowed to vote. It just isn't that hard to do.

318 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:54:35pm

re: #254 zombie

I find that stance mildly hypocritical. Sorry.

Basically, you're advocating murdering a child because its father committed a crime. (Rape.)

If a ten-year-old's father went out and raped someone, should we just kill the ten-year-old, on general principles? No? Then why make the same argument (as you are doing) about a 10-week old embryo?

If you truly believe that an embryo is a human being, then it is not the embryo's fault that its father is a criminal. You are condemning the child to death for the crime of another.

It may well be hypocritical, Zombie, but I stand by it anyway. No law banning abortion in cases of rape or incest is likely to pass in the great majority of the country and like I said, I want what I can get. Also the exceptions seem to me the right thing to do. I don't find it just to require a woman to carry a child of a rape to term. My stance is not fully logical, but it accurately reflects my feelings.

319 loppyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:55:05pm

re: #315 Taqiyyotomist

We didn't elect Steele. Keep that mind.

320 Westward Ho  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:55:12pm

re: #254 zombie

Will you carry the fertilized egg of a rape victim since you equate abortion with murder even in these horrid circumstances? If you are not a woman should it not be forcefully planted in one since the Zygote is a potential human being?

I respect your posts and am not being nasty.

321 DawnofTruth  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:55:17pm

I am a conservative and I believe in the sanctity of life, but I also believe in individual choice and responsibility. The GOP has got to stay out of peoples personal lives. They need to live up to smaller government and and personal liberties. We are alienating the young in this country. My son is a perfect example. He sees the Democrats as dangerous but he also see the GOP as religious zealots. He doesn't have a place to go where he fits in. If the GOP demands a litmus test on abortion it will become obsolete.

322 NYCHardhat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:55:27pm

A 4 year trainwreck.

323 Gus  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:55:40pm

re: #312 MandyManners

Some people oppose emergency contraception.

Some oppose any form of contraception whatsoever.

324 loppyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:55:45pm

re: #317 Van Helsing

There are certainly problems with voting by mail but the real lunacy is same day registration.

If y'all can't get registered before voting day then you probably shouldn't be allowed to vote. It just isn't that hard to do.

NH has same day registration/absentee ballot.

Yes, you read that right.

325 Soona'  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:55:48pm

re: #283 Boxy_brown

When Reagan ran he was called the equivalent of a RINO back then on the right. Not without some justification, he raised taxes, signed the most liberal abortion laws and allowed illegal immigration when governor of California. What made Reagan possible is that everyone was willing to "hold their nose" and vote for him because Carter was just that horrible.

See any Reagan's coming down the Pike?

You're full of shit today, Boxy.

326 iLikeCandy  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:55:56pm

re: #305 karmic_inquisitor

"I'm fully sympathetic with attempts to liberalize the outdated abortion law now on the books in California."

Ronald Reagan upon signing the California abortion statute in 1967 per Investor's Business Daily.

That's one you never hear Sean Hannity playing as his bumper quotes . . .

327 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:55:57pm

re: #313 brookly red

Yes, but putting it out there that that voter fruad is just not acceptable, and then letting THEM go on the record that THEY support it is well worth the price... besides for the price of one frisbee golf course the feds could pick up the tab for all passports IMHO.

a passport is federal ID...for those in need there should be another available for free...a state ID

328 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:55:58pm

re: #283 Boxy_brown

When Reagan ran he was called the equivalent of a RINO back then on the right. Not without some justification, he raised taxes, signed the most liberal abortion laws and allowed illegal immigration when governor of California. What made Reagan possible is that everyone was willing to "hold their nose" and vote for him because Carter was just that horrible.

See any Reagan's coming down the Pike?

First, Reagan while in California was in a transformation from Democrat to Republican philosophically. Second as president, he cut taxes and did support the pro-life movement rhetorically (there really wasn't much to address in that regard during his term).

I am not suggesting that we have a new Reagan on the horizon, but the concept that any candidate has to move to the center to get votes forgets that that is not leadership (that the country really wants), rather it is a sheep-like quality that makes a candidate end up looking like McCain..... weak. Moderates will move to a strong conservative leader.

The closest thing I see on the horizon to what I describe is Mitt Romney, but he's not quite there either.

329 filetandrelease  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:56:08pm

re: #300 loppyd

Nice.

You need to learn some manners.


Sorry, but I personally know people who will not vote for a candidate that is not pro-life. Period.

330 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:56:24pm

re: #322 NYCHardhat

A 4 year trainwreck.

Gov. Goodhair has many shortcomings, but apparently he can count. Or has someone on his staff that can count. I am pleased.

331 loppyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:56:38pm

re: #329 filetandrelease

Sorry, but I personally know people who will not vote for a candidate that is not pro-life. Period.

Good for you.

332 victor_yugo  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:56:44pm

re: #293 newsjunkie_ky

Their genetic makeup is totally unique.

Except in the case of identical twins...

333 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:56:47pm

re: #289 ArchangelMichael

I know that life begins at conception and I am still pro-choice. If that gives me my walking papers from the GOP. I guess I will become an independent.

334 NYCHardhat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:56:48pm

re: #321 DawnofTruth

I am a conservative and I believe in the sanctity of life, but I also believe in individual choice and responsibility. The GOP has got to stay out of peoples personal lives. They need to live up to smaller government and and personal liberties. We are alienating the young in this country. My son is a perfect example. He sees the Democrats as dangerous but he also see the GOP as religious zealots. He doesn't have a place to go where he fits in. If the GOP demands a litmus test on abortion it will become obsolete.

Kick ass statement.

335 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:56:55pm

re: #293 newsjunkie_ky

And even those who are not religious should consider the fact that that human can never be again. Their genetic makeup is totally unique.
For all those that believe in evolution, then it is 'nature' over 'nurture' and the DNA that is that 'cluster of cells' will never happen again and that 'cluster of cells' could have the cure for cancer or AIDS in their DNA. Or, be the greatest leader in history, but once aborted can never be again.

There's a story told about Mother Theresa (I don't know whether it's true or a legend - I suspect it's the latter). in the story she is asked by a man dying from AIDS if she would ask God to send someone who would have a cure for AIDS, to which she supposedly replies "God did send someone, but he was aborted".

336 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:56:59pm

re: #317 Van Helsing
That is just crazy(same day regs). OTOH, we could have a civics test to pass to vote, say about 8th grade US history/civics. I bet you less than 40% of the voting age population could pass it. And I double guarentee you red counties would have better scores than blue counties.

337 Van Helsing  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:57:01pm

re: #315 Taqiyyotomist

Bingo! Historical illiteracy. I'll say it again - F*** you very much Jimmy Carter for the Federal Department of Education.

338 pink freud  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:57:05pm

re: #230 Dark_Falcon

You're welcome.

339 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:57:16pm

re: #323 Gus 802

Some oppose any form of contraception whatsoever.

They need to mind their own business.

340 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:57:22pm

re: #310 loppyd

Later, Ward.

Sorry, I had one more post, my Mother Theresa story.

341 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:57:30pm

re: #329 filetandrelease

Sorry, but I personally know people who will not vote for a candidate that is not pro-life. Period.

I will not vote for a candidate that is pro-gun control.

342 Boxy_brown  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:57:37pm

re: #325 Soona'

You're full of shit today, Boxy.

How exactly.

343 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:57:39pm

re: #329 filetandrelease

Sorry, but I personally know people who will not vote for a candidate that is not pro-life. Period.

there are millions of small minded people...that's the biggest problem with a two party syster

344 Kot Begemot  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:58:04pm

re: #184 SixDegrees

Someone needs to drive home the message that the so-called "base" cannot hold the rational majority hostage any longer. It is they who need the vote of the rest of the GOP if they don't want to be marginalized; the rest of the GOP doesn't need to tolerate their extremist ultimatums and their desire to dominate the federal agenda with creationist, anti-abortion, and anti-gay-marriage bullshit (which, despite all the clamoring about states' rights, always seem to pop up at the federal level) at the expense of sensible foreign policy and economic initiatives.

Until this happens, prepare for many years of Obama.

345 Gus  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:58:10pm

re: #339 MandyManners

They need to mind their own business.

I'll say. I assume that that's an archaic view but nothing surprises me anymore.

346 filetandrelease  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:58:11pm

re: #321 DawnofTruth

Well said.

347 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:58:11pm

re: #312 MandyManners

Some people oppose emergency contraception.

I'm not one of them. Contraception does not bother me.

348 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:58:50pm

re: #321 DawnofTruth

I am a conservative and I believe in the sanctity of life, but I also believe in individual choice and responsibility. The GOP has got to stay out of peoples personal lives. They need to live up to smaller government and and personal liberties. We are alienating the young in this country. My son is a perfect example. He sees the Democrats as dangerous but he also see the GOP as religious zealots. He doesn't have a place to go where he fits in. If the GOP demands a litmus test on abortion it will become obsolete.

Especially since we are supposedly the party of the individual over the state...

349 astronmr20  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:58:54pm

re: #315 Taqiyyotomist

Agreed. It would also be nice if some of our leading lights knew even half the history that the average Lizard knows. To not respond to Hughley's insanity with facts regarding, say, the Klan's founding, or the CRA of 1964, shows that Steele probably is not aware of these facts, and is probably as historically illiterate as 90% of the nation. We need leaders who know history - real, un-revised history - and can use this knowledge off the cuff, impromptu, with no teleprompter. Our elected leaders are supposed to know more than us, yet, nobody - not Palin, not Steele, not Jindal, not Gingrich, not ANYONE, knows how to debate and use relevant information to actually provide an answer to a question. It seems that if they don't have it written for them, then it doesn't get said. If it's not in the Talking Points for the week, then it's not usable as material. It almost enrages me when I see these limo-riding elected douchebags unable to answer questions that even I, an un-college-educated 38-y.o. videogame player and reader of blogs, can just about answer in my sleep...and I'm in the bottom percentile here at LGF when it comes to knowledge. The BOTTOM! Why do we elect leaders who are more ignorant that the likes of ME?!

Exactly. I long to have someone like William F. Buckley when it's debate time. Instead, we are bombarded with half-truths for 2 hours that take the media weeks to dissect, and they do so at their own discretion and "cherry-pick" the facts themselves, so that by the time we've watched the debates and seen the analysis, we no longer understand what the truth is. How many of these did we endure in the primaries and in the general race? Dozens? Having no meat to sink their teeth into, Americans, and American conservatives particularly, were given no good reason to pull the lever other than "I promise I won;t be like that other guy."

Pathetic.

Obfuscation seems to be all either party is good at when it comes to debates.

350 filetandrelease  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:58:56pm

re: #331 loppyd

Good for you.


Thank you.

351 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:58:58pm

I believe abortion is a privacy issue. I know that makes me unpopular. I also don't care about gay marriage. My only beef with it is that if they can add a same sex partner on insurance then I should be able to add anyone I please as well, such as an older parent, best friend, uncle, brother, sister, etc.

352 victor_yugo  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:59:39pm

re: #249 yochanan

I vote GOP despite the ABORTION POSTION. Frankly there are times when abortion is the moral choice as well as the medical choice. There are also times when it isn't.

Doing it so that her dad won't find out and beat the shit out of her, possibly even murdering her, is likely better than not doing it.

Doing it so that she'll still have a bikini-worthy body during summer break: you gotta be kidding.

353 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:59:40pm
354 iLikeCandy  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:59:50pm

re: #333 Afrocity

I know that life begins at conception and I am still pro-choice.

I've shocked a few people by saying the same thing. Nice to meet you.

355 brookly red  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:59:53pm

re: #327 albusteve

a passport is federal ID...for those in need there should be another available for free...a state ID

I agree in theroy, but I just don't wanna see Mohamaed Atta voting 5 times...

356 Catttt  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:00:03pm

re: #254 zombie

Logical, as always, zombie. I agree.

Frankly, I do think a lot of people are cafeteria style moralists on this issue. All life is either sacred or not. For example, if abortion is murder, it is still murder when the mother's life is in danger. Would we kill her 10-year old daughter to save her life? No. Then why is killing the unborn daughter ok? This is just another example. I fully understand what you are trying to convey and agree. However, lots of people will start a debate on the various cafeteria choices (e.g., life of mother, rape, incest, unmarried mother, etc.) that they personally tout.

357 filetandrelease  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:00:07pm

re: #343 albusteve

there are millions of small minded people...that's the biggest problem with a two party syster


Maybe it is time ...........

358 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:00:24pm

If I were a Republican I would be darn worried that a sufficient number of Americans would never support a political party whose official platform was to seek an outright ban on abortion, such that the result would be to give the Dems a majority for the foreseeable future.

359 pink freud  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:00:53pm

re: #344 Kot Begemot

Someone needs to drive home the message that the so-called "base" cannot hold the rational majority hostage any longer. It is they who need the vote of the rest of the GOP if they don't want to be marginalized; the rest of the GOP doesn't need to tolerate their extremist ultimatums and their desire to dominate the federal agenda with creationist, anti-abortion, and anti-gay-marriage bullshit (which, despite all the clamoring about states' rights, always seem to pop up at the federal level) at the expense of sensible foreign policy and economic initiatives.

Until this happens, prepare for many years of Obama.

28 posts in five years .....you should post more.

Excellent points.

360 LGoPs  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:01:13pm

re: #211 loppyd

I don't want nice. I want someone who will kick ass and take names and make no apologies for it.

I agree. I want someone with fire in the belly. Milquetoast doesn't inspire.

361 filetandrelease  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:01:22pm

re: #351 Afrocity

I believe abortion is a privacy issue. I know that makes me unpopular. I also don't care about gay marriage. My only beef with it is that if they can add a same sex partner on insurance then I should be able to add anyone I please as well, such as an older parent, best friend, uncle, brother, sister, etc.


It if funny, my thoughts are along these same lines, and I have been a republican my entire life. (a long time.)

362 Van Helsing  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:01:28pm

re: #349 astronmr20

Or in McCain's case, "I will be a more conservative democrat than him."
Amnesty asshat.

363 loppyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:01:28pm

re: #351 Afrocity

I believe abortion is a privacy issue. I know that makes me unpopular. I also don't care about gay marriage. My only beef with it is that if they can add a same sex partner on insurance then I should be able to add anyone I please as well, such as an older parent, best friend, uncle, brother, sister, etc.

Prior to the legalization of gay marriage in MA my old company (in MA) used to provide a same sex partner health benefit. The second it went into law, they took it away the benefit knowing they would get their asses sued by non-married heterosexual couples.

364 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:01:29pm

re: #345 Gus 802

I'll say. I assume that that's an archaic view but nothing surprises me anymore.

It once was the law in Connecticut until Griswold v. Connecticut.

365 Gus  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:01:32pm

re: #356 Catttt

If this is based on a premise on "thou shalt not kill" how does one reconcile that belief with capital punishment and war?

366 Catttt  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:01:50pm

re: #321 DawnofTruth

I am a conservative and I believe in the sanctity of life, but I also believe in individual choice and responsibility. The GOP has got to stay out of peoples personal lives. They need to live up to smaller government and and personal liberties. We are alienating the young in this country. My son is a perfect example. He sees the Democrats as dangerous but he also see the GOP as religious zealots. He doesn't have a place to go where he fits in. If the GOP demands a litmus test on abortion it will become obsolete.

Yes. And my late father, a devout Catholic, would agree with you. He said many times, "You can't legislate morality." Of course, the legislators keep trying to do so anyway.

367 iLikeCandy  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:01:53pm

re: #352 victor_yugo

Doing it so that she'll still have a bikini-worthy body during summer break: you gotta be kidding.

Strawman.

368 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:02:04pm

re: #333 Afrocity

I know that life begins at conception and I am still pro-choice. If that gives me my walking papers from the GOP. I guess I will become an independent.

It does not read you out of the party as far I go, Afrocity. We agree far more than we disagree and that's more than good enough. On abortion, you and I simply need to respect each other's disagreements and I believe that can be done.

369 opnion  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:02:06pm

Whether on is pro-choice, pro-life or confused , Roe v Wade is bad law.
The Warren Court tortured the Constitution to find the privacy right.
They were really decideing public policy & worked baskward to get there.
It should have been left to the states & should be out of the Republican Platform.

370 avanti  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:02:08pm

re: #305 karmic_inquisitor

"I'm fully sympathetic with attempts to liberalize the outdated abortion law now on the books in California."

Ronald Reagan upon signing the California abortion statute in 1967 per Investor's Business Daily.

I voted for Reagan, but a could a "Reagan" win the nomination today if they'd made a statement like that ? I get the unbending moral position of the religious right, but they are choosing acceptable to them candidates that might not be able to win the general today.
You may need to choose the good over the perfect, especially since if you lose, it's much further from perfect for the social conservatives.

371 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:02:25pm

re: #355 brookly red

I agree in theroy, but I just don't wanna see Mohamaed Atta voting 5 times...

one case of voter fraud and you are off the books forever...no excuses, no appeal...it's not at all a complicated issue which is why I get so pissy about it....we can't even resolve the simplest problems anymore without people yelling racism or whatever...fuck them

372 jamgarr  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:02:26pm

I taught my kids to be very leary of people who have to make up non-descriptive names for their issues - e.g. "right to choose". If you really believe in an issue be willing to call it what it is. - e.g. Do you support the killing of unborn babies, and, if so, why?

373 victor_yugo  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:02:48pm

re: #351 Afrocity

if they can add a same sex partner on insurance then I should be able to add anyone I please as well, such as an older parent, best friend, uncle, brother, sister, etc.

A woman after my own heart. I've been saying that for years.

374 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:03:28pm

re: #344 Kot Begemot

Someone needs to drive home the message that the so-called "base" cannot hold the rational majority hostage any longer. It is they who need the vote of the rest of the GOP if they don't want to be marginalized; the rest of the GOP doesn't need to tolerate their extremist ultimatums and their desire to dominate the federal agenda with creationist, anti-abortion, and anti-gay-marriage bullshit (which, despite all the clamoring about states' rights, always seem to pop up at the federal level) at the expense of sensible foreign policy and economic initiatives.

Until this happens, prepare for many years of Obama.

There is no rational majority. The majority of voters in this country voted for Obama.

375 NYCHardhat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:03:32pm

Robert Gibbs is such a weasel.

376 Soona'  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:03:36pm

re: #329 filetandrelease

Sorry, but I personally know people who will not vote for a candidate that is not pro-life. Period.

And I know some people who will not vote for anyone they consider ugly. I don't see anyone meeting everyones' criteria of conseveratism. Just get me someone who believes and acts like they're guided by what is written in the US Constitution.

377 Van Helsing  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:03:39pm

re: #365 Gus 802

If this is based on a premise on "thou shalt not kill" how does one reconcile that belief with capital punishment and war?

The correct translation is "Thou shalt not murder". There are reasons to kill.

378 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:03:48pm
379 astronmr20  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:04:46pm

re: #374 OldLineTexan

A majority of voters, but remember the turnout was not that high amongst the rest of folks who were fed up with the GOP.

380 pink freud  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:04:55pm

re: #374 OldLineTexan

There is no rational majority. The majority of voters in this country voted for Obama.

I think he/she meant the rational majority of conservatives. That's how I read it.

381 victor_yugo  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:05:17pm

re: #367 iLikeCandy

Strawman.

Bullshit. Go to any campus "women's resource center," and you'll find them.

382 Gretchen  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:05:19pm

re: #297 LGoPs

I agree with you on the Republican side. On the Democratic side however, I think that you could clone Hitler and as long as he was Pro Choice, he'd have a lock on a huge percentage of voters. And he'd be a shoo-in to be elected if you could make him good looking too.
/ I have an infinitesimally small amount of respect for Democrats......


You are absolutely right. When Obama was sworn in and the economy was in shambles (but not as bad as it is now) he immediately signed an order that ensured Americans would pay for overseas abortions. Apparently foreign abortion funding by American taxpayers was so important Democrats applauded this act. It never ceases to amaze me what Democrats think they have a right to do with my tax dollars. If they'd like to fund overseas abortions they have checkbooks, they should use them. Maybe Republicans should introduce a handgun in every hut legislation and see if Democrats think that's a great use of foreign aide dollars. Lots of underprivileged families in Africa could use the protection, and it would save lives!

383 razorbacker  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:05:21pm

re: #365 Gus 802

If this is based on a premise on "thou shalt not kill" how does one reconcile that belief with capital punishment and war?

I thought the premise was 'thou shalt not murder'.

Vastly different concept.

384 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:05:22pm

re: #374 OldLineTexan

There is no rational majority. The majority of voters in this country voted for Obama.

I am the only sane person left...every one else eats squid or squirrel brains or both

385 UberInfidel67  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:05:44pm

re: #254 zombieIf a ten-year-old's father went out and raped someone, should we just kill the ten-year-old, on general principles? No? Then why make the same argument (as you are doing) about a 10-week old embryo?

That's kinda apples and oranges there. The 10 yo is not responsible for the actions of the father. But, the baby was CREATED by the act of rape. Not the same at all.

386 Westward Ho  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:05:52pm

re: #254 zombie,

If you are talking about the catholic church's excommunication of the doctors who performed an abortion on the kid who got raped by her father; that is sick!

387 Van Helsing  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:06:14pm

re: #369 opnion

Whether on is pro-choice, pro-life or confused , Roe v Wade is bad law.
The Warren Court tortured the Constitution to find the privacy right.
They were really decideing public policy & worked baskward to get there.
It should have been left to the states & should be out of the Republican Platform.

Very well said. And the Constitution has never from the weakening that that torture caused.

388 Gus  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:06:24pm

re: #383 razorbacker

I thought the premise was 'thou shalt not murder'.

Vastly different concept.

Oh, I thought the 10 Commandments said "Thou Shalt not Kill." Perhaps I was mistaken. I wasn't aware of the translation.

389 Digital Display  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:06:50pm

re: #351 Afrocity

I believe abortion is a privacy issue. I know that makes me unpopular. I also don't care about gay marriage. My only beef with it is that if they can add a same sex partner on insurance then I should be able to add anyone I please as well, such as an older parent, best friend, uncle, brother, sister, etc.

I agree Afro..there ate some things that is between a woman her doctor and God...Congress needs to stay out of it..
And my Sister is a Lesbian..Who gets to say she is a second class citizen?
She should have the same rights as Obama or anyone else.

390 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:06:53pm

re: #370 avanti

I voted for Reagan, but a could a "Reagan" win the nomination today if they'd made a statement like that ? I get the unbending moral position of the religious right, but they are choosing acceptable to them candidates that might not be able to win the general today.
You may need to choose the good over the perfect, especially since if you lose, it's much further from perfect for the social conservatives.

Just so, avanti. Sadly, many people are short-sighted. A RINO will do us no good, but in many places a purist will not be electable. The key is remember what you can get and then go for that.

391 zombie  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:07:02pm

re: #320 Westward Ho

Will you carry the fertilized egg of a rape victim since you equate abortion with murder even in these horrid circumstances? If you are not a woman should it not be forcefully planted in one since the Zygote is a potential human being?

I respect your posts and am not being nasty.

Ah, you misunderstand me. I'm not saying that I believe an embryo is a human being. I'm merely stating that, IF someone believes that an embryo is a human being, THEN it would be somewhat hypocritical for that person to advocate killing it because it had bad parentage.

Personally, my somewhat "moderate" opinion on this matter (if such a thing is possible) is that, if we have to drawn the line between "personhood" and "nonpersonhood," then we shouldn't go to one extreme, as the hardcore anti-abortion crowd does, that personhood begins at the moment the sperm fertilizes the egg, nor should we go to the the other extreme, as the pro-abortion side does, that personhood only begins at birth; but rather somewhere in between. In my strictly non-medical view, I'd pinpoint it at the moment of "viability" -- i.e. the moment at which the child could survive as a seperate entity, and not merely as a subset of its mother. That would be somewhere around six months-ish.

I'm no fan of abortion, but I more strongly do not want the government telling woman and doctors what to do. Hence, I'm against banning abortion in early-stage pregnancies, but would oppose "late term" abortions, because by that time the fetus basically already is a child.

392 yochanan  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:07:04pm

the jewish religion view point on Abortion is that it is allowed if the woman's life is in danger for medical reasons or if the woman was raped. (jewish women were offen raped when good fellowers of the church of rome would have there pogroms in europe) When the women would become preg. under these conditions often they would take there own lives instead of having the 'momzar' that was forced upon them. The idea that a fetus is an independent life before it is born isn't a univerally held religous view point. Saying that doesn't mean we don't like babies as one of the first commandments is to be fruitful and mulitpy. Abortions for birth control should be discouraged but not out lawed.

Now if the woman is in more medical danger than just were abortion would be allowed i.e.were a woman can make a rational medical choice either way vs. were the condition is worse for example one rabbi's wife found out she had a bad heart condition and the dr. was worried that having a baby could put her life at risk in her case the woman doesn't have a choice JEWISH LAW WOULD SAY SHE HAS TO HAVE AN ABORTION.

393 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:07:11pm

re: #361 filetandrelease

It if funny, my thoughts are along these same lines, and I have been a republican my entire life. (a long time.)

Folks, please don't succumb to the temptation to view yourselves as martyrs because you don't agree with one plank in the Republican platform. There have been some I don't agree with in the past.

You could select any party from anywhere in the world, examine its platform and find one thing you disagreed with. There will never be a party whose platform is fully agreed upon by all of the members, indeed most.

You should find the party whose platform you are essentially in agreement with and support their candidates.

394 brookly red  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:07:12pm

re: #371 albusteve

one case of voter fraud and you are off the books forever...no excuses, no appeal...it's not at all a complicated issue which is why I get so pissy about it....we can't even resolve the simplest problems anymore without people yelling racism or whatever...fuck them

Again I agree in theory... but ACORN is under investigation (hahahahahahaha) in how many states, and will now get BILLIONS in stimulus money. No I just don't trust the powers that be to do the right thing.

395 NYCHardhat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:07:18pm

My song for Obama.

Youtube Video
396 Boxy_brown  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:07:26pm

re: #328 eschew_obfuscation


First, Reagan while in California was in a transformation from Democrat to Republican philosophically. Second as president, he cut taxes and did support the pro-life movement rhetorically (there really wasn't much to address in that regard during his term).

Sure, but my point was that there was "conservative" opposition to him, especially in the primaries and some of the things that he did as governor would have been harder for him to overcome in the partisanship that we have now.

I am not suggesting that we have a new Reagan on the horizon, but the concept that any candidate has to move to the center to get votes forgets that that is not leadership (that the country really wants), rather it is a sheep-like quality that makes a candidate end up looking like McCain..... weak.


McCain was not a strong candidate. I would have expected "conservatives" to take the alternative into account before staying at home on the couch though.

Moderates will move to a strong conservative leader.


Depends on the leader Ide say. Reagan was unique IMHO. Sometimes you have to go with the best you have until you can do better.

397 Digital Display  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:08:05pm

re: #389 HoosierHoops

I agree Afro..there ate are some things that is between a woman her doctor and God...Congress needs to stay out of it..
And my Sister is a Lesbian..Who gets to say she is a second class citizen?
She should have the same rights as Obama or anyone else.

jeez..I just can't type today..I am so sorry.

398 LGoPs  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:08:35pm

re: #382 Gretchen

You are absolutely right. When Obama was sworn in and the economy was in shambles (but not as bad as it is now) he immediately signed an order that ensured Americans would pay for overseas abortions. Apparently foreign abortion funding by American taxpayers was so important Democrats applauded this act. It never ceases to amaze me what Democrats think they have a right to do with my tax dollars. If they'd like to fund overseas abortions they have checkbooks, they should use them. Maybe Republicans should introduce a handgun in every hut legislation and see if Democrats think that's a great use of foreign aide dollars. Lots of underprivileged families in Africa could use the protection, and it would save lives!

Could you just imagine the howls of outrage if a Republican preident did that!.....Great point!

399 iLikeCandy  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:08:45pm

re: #381 victor_yugo

Bullshit. Go to any campus "women's resource center," and you'll find them.

What, you worked in them and you heard women say that? They'd have gone through with the pregnancy if it weren't for the spring break bikini thing? Bullshit right back.

400 Macker  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:08:47pm

re: #388 Gus 802

KJV is Thou Shalt Not Kill. NIV (and lots of other modern translations) is You Shall Not Murder.

401 zombie  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:08:57pm

re: #318 Dark_Falcon

It may well be hypocritical, Zombie, but I stand by it anyway. No law banning abortion in cases of rape or incest is likely to pass in the great majority of the country and like I said, I want what I can get. Also the exceptions seem to me the right thing to do. I don't find it just to require a woman to carry a child of a rape to term. My stance is not fully logical, but it accurately reflects my feelings.

Well, as long as you realize it's illogical, then that's fine. Everyone had a right to their opinion, and i don't hold that against anyone. Some of my opinions are, frankly, illogical too -- or at least i can't grok why I hold them.

402 opnion  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:09:19pm

re: #387 Van Helsing

Very well said. And the Constitution has never from the weakening that that torture caused.

It was a very dishonest decision. I remember reading the majority opinion & realizing that the Supreme Court can do pretty much whatever it wants.

403 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:09:19pm

re: #380 pink freud

I think he/she meant the rational majority of conservatives. That's how I read it.

Upon re-reading, I will concede that, but I will still insist that there is no rational majority. Of ANYTHING. At least not by any rational definition of rational.

Look, plenty of perfectly rational/sane people ignored everything about Obama and voted for him for irrational reasons.

And a good number of rational/sane people got fed up with the GOP, and, rather than arguing the Party platforms which have been more or less the same for a while, decided to stay home on election day and give Obama an edge. Also irrational.

404 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:09:34pm

re: #394 brookly red

Again I agree in theory... but ACORN is under investigation (hahahahahahaha) in how many states, and will now get BILLIONS in stimulus money. No I just don't trust the powers that be to do the right thing.

ACORN is a criminal conspiricy...if I'm president they are gone tomarrow...I'd put RICO on them and tell them don't come back til you have all their heads...

405 Catttt  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:09:52pm

re: #365 Gus 802

If this is based on a premise on "thou shalt not kill" how does one reconcile that belief with capital punishment and war?

Depends on your belief system. If you are asking about the Catholic Church's view, there are many places where you can look that up.

Here are a couple of sources that explain the Catechism on a couple of issues:

Capital punishment.

War.

Canon law on abortion

406 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:10:07pm

re: #323 Gus 802

Some oppose any form of contraception whatsoever.

...Some oppose any suggestion that people stop f***ing like rabbits and begin using something which makes us human, Self-Control.

Pro-Choice movement is completely and utterly based on this:
"I do not want to stop my 'f***ing without consequence', so make sure I can be 'provided' with abortion, at any time, for any reason. Oh, and please cure AIDS, too, so we can go back to outright bohemian hedonism like we used to. Oh and please remove inter-state restrictions and parental notification laws so that we can screw children with no consequences either."

407 snakedoctor  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:10:09pm

I really had high hopes for Steele but unfortunately he looks more like an Obama Second City TV "not ready for prime time player" than someone who can lead the Republicans out of the wilderness.

408 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:10:10pm

re: #381 victor_yugo

Bullshit. Go to any campus "women's resource center," and you'll find them.

How do you know this?

409 razorbacker  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:10:33pm

re: #388 Gus 802

Oh, I thought the 10 Commandments said "Thou Shalt not Kill." Perhaps I was mistaken. I wasn't aware of the translation.

I'm no cunning linguist, myself. I don't have a dog in that translation fight. It's just that the idea 'Thou shalt not kill' doesn't make sense. There is always going to be those that need killing.

'Thou shalt not murder' just makes better sense.

410 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:10:39pm

re: #384 albusteve

I am the only sane person left...every one else eats squid or squirrel brains or both

Ain't many brains in a squirrel.

But squid is delicious. You and me are going to hit the squid tacos HARD one day, amigo.

/

411 victor_yugo  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:10:43pm

re: #389 HoosierHoops

And my Sister is a Lesbian..Who gets to say she is a second class citizen?
She should have the same rights as Obama or anyone else.

The right to suck at the public tit for N years, then grease a few palms to get a cozy Senate seat before your thugs elevate you to President because you're 3/8 minority?

412 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:11:29pm

re: #406 Taqiyyotomist

Are you opposed to contraception?

413 Gus  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:11:29pm

re: #405 Catttt

re: #400 Macker

Oh. I guess I wasn't aware of that. I'm a former Catholic so I grew up with "Thou Shalt Not Kill."

414 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:11:29pm

re: #384 albusteve

I am the only sane person left...every one else eats squid or squirrel brains or both

I must be sane, too, because I don't eat squid or squirrel; they're not kosher.
But I do have to head home through traffic, so I might not be sane at the other end.
BBL

415 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:11:47pm

re: #410 OldLineTexan

Ain't many brains in a squirrel.

But squid is delicious. You and me are going to hit the squid tacos HARD one day, amigo.

/

I'll be ready!....(fingers crossed)

416 Chip Designer  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:11:52pm

One mid-point in the abortion debate is to assign human rights at the point of brain "birth". Just like we remove rights at brain "death".

I understand that there is an identifiable point in which the brain "switches on". I believe it occurs roughly at 26 weeks.

417 DawnofTruth  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:11:57pm

re: #391 zombie

Well said Zombie

418 brookly red  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:12:21pm

re: #404 albusteve

ACORN is a criminal conspiricy...if I'm president they are gone tomarrow...I'd put RICO on them and tell them don't come back til you have all their heads...

Well if that is your platform, I be prepared to show my passport when I go to vote for you. But till then we need a national ID.

419 Gretchen  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:12:58pm

re: #369 opnion

Whether on is pro-choice, pro-life or confused , Roe v Wade is bad law.
The Warren Court tortured the Constitution to find the privacy right.
They were really decideing public policy & worked baskward to get there.
It should have been left to the states & should be out of the Republican Platform.


I agree, there would be less contention on the abortion issue if the "Law" it wasn't made up by the Supreme Court. Most states would probably allow abortion, but would vary the terms. I'm anti-abortion but think it shouldn't be illegal, however I really hate being forced to pay for it through taxes. Let Democrat donors pay for abortions for whom ever they'd like, it's not a "Right".

420 pink freud  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:13:07pm

re: #403 OldLineTexan

You lay it out well. However, after seeing and living with what irrationality has wrought upon this country, it is my hope that there will be a swing back to rational. Flat out, people can't sustain this level of irrationality in their lives indefinitely.

421 Chip Designer  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:13:31pm

No one talks about it much, but IUDs work by preventing fertilized eggs from attaching to the uterus. For some, that's an abortion every month for IUD users.

422 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:13:41pm

re: #414 Kosh's Shadow

I must be sane, too, because I don't eat squid or squirrel; they're not kosher.
But I do have to head home through traffic, so I might not be sane at the other end.
BBL

tek care mon

423 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:14:06pm

Apparently the loss in the quality of American education in math and science has extended to political science as well.
/

424 razorbacker  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:14:28pm

Apropos of nothing whatsoever, but evidently the term 'squid taco' has come to mean something different since the bad ol' days.

425 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:14:51pm

OT: Relaxing in Gaza....
Yahoo pic

Dr. James S. Gordon, a Washington, D.C. psychiatrist, guides a workshop designed to teach relaxation techniques to health workers in Gaza City, Monday, March 9, 2009. Gordon says the trainees later teach these tools to their patients and in the past four years, thousands in Gaza have already learned to relax.

"You're doing it wrong."

426 pink freud  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:15:44pm

Later, lizards.

427 Boxy_brown  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:15:46pm

re: #396 Boxy_brown


Sometimes you have to go with the best you have until you can do better.

Should have read: sometimes you have to go with what you have and make them do better. That is another part of the equation that we are forgetting.

428 brookly red  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:15:46pm

re: #414 Kosh's Shadow

I must be sane, too, because I don't eat squid or squirrel; they're not kosher.
But I do have to head home through traffic, so I might not be sane at the other end.
BBL

why is squid not Kosher, it's not a bottem dweller like shrimp?

429 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:15:54pm

re: #424 razorbacker

Apropos of nothing whatsoever, but evidently the term 'squid taco' has come to mean something different since the bad ol' days.

I'd put on my bicycle helmet, were I you.

430 yochanan  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:16:08pm

re: #365 Gus 802

THE COMMANDMENT ISN'T THOU SHALL NOT KILL

IT IS THOU SHALL NOT MURDER

431 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:16:12pm

I am a former Democrat who, back in the late 1990's, wised up to the Left.

I am a fiscal conservative, a hawk, an anti-Leftist and a social moderate.

I am not in favor of abortion in most cases, yet I am also not in favor of making 1st trimester abortions illegal.

Does the Republican Party want people like me?...Because, if they do, they're not doing a very good job of making me feel welcome.

432 LGoPs  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:16:13pm

re: #414 Kosh's Shadow

I must be sane, too, because I don't eat squid or squirrel; they're not kosher.
But I do have to head home through traffic, so I might not be sane at the other end.
BBL

Just wondering....why is squid (or shellfish if I'm not mistaken) not kosher?
I'm Catholic but grew up in a Jewish neighborhood and understand some of the dietary rules but have forgotten these.

433 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:16:33pm

re: #428 brookly red

why is squid not Kosher, it's not a bottem dweller like shrimp?

No scales, IIRC.

434 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:16:36pm

Besides I am pro choice and have never had an abortion. I know many women who can say the. When I lived and went to college in Texas - a very Republican state, I knew more women who were pro life and had abortions. One was really big into her SBU (student Baptist union). She was my roommate, the one that I walked in on have sex with her captain of the Golf team boyfriend about 3 times. She always liked to be on top.

435 opnion  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:16:55pm

Ya know we are going back & forth over pro-life vs pro -choice & it is interesting. However I can't help thinking that Obama has openly supported denial of medical care to a baby born of a botched abortion.
I would wager that this is the only time in our history that we have had a pro-infanticide President.
He is light years form anything being discussed here.

436 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:16:55pm

OT- has this been posted yet?
John Walker Lindh's attorney to head Justice Dept Civil Division

If you want to know how far we are past 9/11, there’s your answer: John Walker Lindh’s defense attorney is going to work for Justice

Unbef--ingbelievable.

437 LGoPs  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:16:58pm

re: #404 albusteve

ACORN is a criminal conspiricy...if I'm president they are gone tomarrow...I'd put RICO on them and tell them don't come back til you have all their heads...

I'm voting for you.......

438 Gus  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:17:15pm

re: #430 yochanan

THE COMMANDMENT ISN'T THOU SHALL NOT KILL

IT IS THOU SHALL NOT MURDER

Why are you screaming?

439 zombie  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:17:16pm

re: #385 UberInfidel67

That's kinda apples and oranges there. The 10 yo is not responsible for the actions of the father. But, the baby was CREATED by the act of rape. Not the same at all.

How is it not the same? It's still a human being, no matter how it was created. According to radical feminists, all heterosexual sex is an act of rape, so where does that lead us -- abort all babies?

Are you implying that a baby that was created in a way you don't like is somehow less of a human being? Can't you see where that leads?

If we ban all aborions but allow a medical exemption for rape, then women and girls right and left will simply claim they were raped and get whatever abortion they want anyway. And "rape" could then be expanded to "date rape" to "I was drunk" to "I didn't really feel like doing it" to "Boy do I regret that" to "I felt pressured." What are we going to do, stage a rape trial for every abortion? If we don't, then we will simply have to accept the testimony of the mother/victim. And we'll have just as many abortions as we do nowadays.

440 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:17:16pm

re: #434 Afrocity

Besides I am pro choice and have never had an abortion. I know many women who can say the. When I lived and went to college in Texas - a very Republican state, I knew more women who were pro life and had abortions. One was really big into her SBU (student Baptist union). She was my roommate, the one that I walked in on have sex with her captain of the Golf team boyfriend about 3 times. She always liked to be on top.

She really liked his putter.

441 brookly red  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:17:51pm

re: #433 OldLineTexan

No scales, IIRC.

oh, yeah. scales.

442 Basho  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:18:00pm

re: #293 newsjunkie_ky

...that 'cluster of cells' will never happen again and that 'cluster of cells' could have the cure for cancer or AIDS in their DNA. Or, be the greatest leader in history, but once aborted can never be again.

Or be the next Ken Ham. Or the next Hitler...

(Uh oh, I broke Godwin's Law =/ )

443 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:18:02pm

re: #436 Jim in Virginia

OT- has this been posted yet?
John Walker Lindh's attorney to head Justice Dept Civil Division


Unbef--ingbelievable.

Oh, my stars and bars!

444 opnion  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:18:06pm

re: #419 Gretchen

I agree, there would be less contention on the abortion issue if the "Law" it wasn't made up by the Supreme Court. Most states would probably allow abortion, but would vary the terms. I'm anti-abortion but think it shouldn't be illegal, however I really hate being forced to pay for it through taxes. Let Democrat donors pay for abortions for whom ever they'd like, it's not a "Right".

The Court's reasoning was so contrived.

445 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:18:32pm

re: #434 Afrocity

Besides I am pro choice and have never had an abortion. I know many women who can say the. When I lived and went to college in Texas - a very Republican state, I knew more women who were pro life and had abortions. One was really big into her SBU (student Baptist union). She was my roommate, the one that I walked in on have sex with her captain of the Golf team boyfriend about 3 times. She always liked to be on top.

As a good Baptist boy, I could tell you some stories about good Baptist girls. But I will refrain. ;)

446 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:18:35pm

re: #436 Jim in Virginia

Goddamn these marxist assholes! I want lightning from the heavens, shit rains in DC, these people are beyond despicable.

447 Nom de boom  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:18:48pm

re: #202 gegenkritik

As an atheist, I don't believe in spirits entering childs. But I do believe in the right of human self-determination, rather than a cluster of cells ruling a human's life.
My critique towards pro-choice-activists is different: contrary to what they postulate, no human being is uninfluenced by social totality, and neither is a pregnant woman.

Tiny problem with your argument (well, huge problem with your argument's use of the concept of "rights"). Until a post-natal child is capable of self-determination, that child cannot be said to have its own rights, and is therefore dependent on the self-determinative rights of others. How does it feel to know you support infanticide?

And what's the cut-off age for that kind of thing, because I know some really annoying three year-olds?

/sarc

448 loppyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:18:49pm

I have to get cracking on this laundry pile!

BBL

449 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:18:55pm

re: #433 OldLineTexan

No scales, IIRC.

eight legs and a beak?...I wouldn't eat one either regardless

450 Westward Ho  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:18:55pm

re: #391 zombie

Zombie,

Thanks for the clarification. I thought for a moment that you were a fanatic on this issue. I completely agree.

451 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:19:09pm

re: #434 Afrocity

You know, that really waaaay too much information.
May i ask, which Texas university?
(You get a prize if you give the right answer.)

452 yochanan  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:19:11pm

re: #409 razorbacker

The Hebrew says thou shall not murder

453 Basho  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:19:19pm

re: #392 yochanan

Well said. And thanks for the info.

454 Soona'  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:19:38pm

I'm going to make a prediction, based on what I've read on this thread so far: Republicans will lose seats in both houses in 2010 and 2012.

455 yochanan  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:19:58pm

re: #433 OldLineTexan

fish have to have both scales and fins and not just scales when they are young and lose them later.

456 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:20:16pm

re: #449 albusteve

eight legs and a beak?...I wouldn't eat one either regardless

Silly, you don't eat the beak.

You must be a hoot down at the KFC.

/

457 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:20:26pm

re: #451 Jim in Virginia

You know, that really waaaay too much information.
May i ask, which Texas university?
(You get a prize if you give the right answer.)

UT

458 clear vision  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:20:36pm

re: #409 razorbacker

I'm no cunning linguist, myself. I don't have a dog in that translation fight. It's just that the idea 'Thou shalt not kill' doesn't make sense. There is always going to be those that need killing.

'Thou shalt not murder' just makes better sense.


It is definitely "Don't murder." Not "Don't kill." Two totally different words. (I'm a former Midwesterner now living in Israel.)

And you're right. There are always those that need killing. For example, someone who is trying to murder an innocent person.

459 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:20:48pm

re: #451 Jim in Virginia

You know, that really waaaay too much information.
May i ask, which Texas university?
(You get a prize if you give the right answer.)

Yes, indeed, she will get a prize!

Open the prize closet, Jim!

460 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:20:59pm

re: #451 Jim in Virginia

You know, that really waaaay too much information.
May i ask, which Texas university?
(You get a prize if you give the right answer.)

I wanna' know if she screamed "FORE!"

461 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:21:06pm

re: #455 yochanan

fish have to have both scales and fins and not just scales when they are young and lose them later.

no catfish?....bummer really

462 LGoPs  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:21:12pm

re: #416 Chip Designer

One mid-point in the abortion debate is to assign human rights at the point of brain "birth". Just like we remove rights at brain "death".

I understand that there is an identifiable point in which the brain "switches on". I believe it occurs roughly at 26 weeks.

For libtards, it never does. What do we do with them?
/

463 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:21:14pm

re: #455 yochanan

fish have to have both scales and fins and not just scales when they are young and lose them later.

Thank you; that I can remember.

464 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:21:23pm

re: #454 Soona'

I'm going to make a prediction, based on what I've read on this thread so far: Republicans will lose seats in both houses in 2010 and 2012.

If you say so. I have more faith than that.

465 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:21:40pm

re: #445 OldLineTexan

As a good Baptist boy, I could tell you some stories about good Baptist girls. But I will refrain. ;)

We used to say you had to be careful with the Baylor girls. We assumed their thinking was "I'll get pregnant. Then he'll have to marry me. "
Dont know if it ever happened but it was a good story.

466 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:21:44pm

re: #460 MandyManners

I wanna' know if she screamed "FORE!"

I wanna know if she let him play the back nine.

/go ahead, I asked for it

467 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:21:49pm

re: #456 OldLineTexan

Silly, you don't eat the beak.

You must be a hoot down at the KFC.

/

squid are creepy...but I'm working on it

468 vagabond trader  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:22:01pm

Frankly I have no desire to interfere with another American's moral values or lack thereof. Why then is it ok for leftists to shovel their preferred standards into our kids developing minds at every turn? Gays and abortion are NOT the most critical issues facing this country and those shouting the loudest about both are the left.

469 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:22:10pm

re: #461 albusteve

no catfish?....bummer really

Catfish have both.

470 Digital Display  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:22:26pm

re: #460 MandyManners

I wanna' know if she screamed "FORE!"

Tee it up captain!

471 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:22:33pm

re: #465 Jim in Virginia

We used to say you had to be careful with the Baylor girls. We assumed their thinking was "I'll get pregnant. Then he'll have to marry me. "
Dont know if it ever happened but it was a good story.

Very Suppressed Women.

It's like someone found a way to concentrate nitroglycerin.

Exciting, but you CAN get hurt.

472 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:22:41pm

Why men should rethink drinking beer

You have to hope that this study is flawed, but the evidence seems irrefutable. Several months ago, scientists at Europe’s annual human reproduction conference suggested that the results of a recent analysis revealed the presence of female hormones in beer, and suggested that men should take a look at their beer consumption. The theory is that drinking beer turns men into women.

To test the theory, 100 men were each fed six pints of beer within a one hour period. It was then observed that 100% of the men gained weight, talked excessivly without making sense, became overly emotional, couldn’t drive, failed to think rationally, argued over nothing, had to sit down while urinating, couldn’t perform sexually, and refused to apologize when wrong.

No further testing is planned.

473 UberInfidel67  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:22:53pm

re: #421 Chip Designer
And the Pill stops ovulation. Therefore, if there is no egg to be fertilized, there can be no pregnancy. Using contraception is being responsible.

474 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:22:54pm

re: #466 OldLineTexan

*snicker*

475 iLikeCandy  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:23:01pm

re: #454 Soona'

I'm going to make a prediction, based on what I've read on this thread so far: Republicans will lose seats in both houses in 2010 and 2012.

Which way? For being pro-choice or being pro-life? Or for being confused?

476 jamgarr  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:23:11pm

Where are the scales on a catfish?

477 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:23:13pm

re: #470 HoosierHoops

Tee it up captain!

*snicker snicker*

478 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:23:22pm

re: #457 Afrocity

Owl here. There's another Owl online now too. More kids lived at Jester than went to school on South Main.
Austin is such a cool place.

479 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:23:29pm

re: #457 Afrocity

UT

Awwwwww ... do we have a consolation prize, Jim?

/

480 razorbacker  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:24:10pm

re: #469 MandyManners

Catfish have both.

Catfish got scales?

481 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:24:19pm

catfish do not have scales...neither do bullheads which taste even better


[Link: wiki.answers.com...]

482 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:24:26pm

re: #474 MandyManners

*snicker*

REALLY?

/man, I expected a whacking

483 brookly red  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:24:40pm

re: #467 albusteve

squid are creepy...but I'm working on it

almost* nothing is creepy breaded & fried :)

* don't go there.

484 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:24:47pm

Catfish don't have scales?!

All I know is that it's good eating.

485 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:24:50pm

re: #478 Jim in Virginia

Owl here. There's another Owl online now too. More kids lived at Jester than went to school on South Main.
Austin is such a cool place.

Except for all the damned hippies.

/

486 Neutral President  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:24:50pm

re: #416 Chip Designer

re: #391 zombie

Defining "personhood" vs "nonpersonhood" to me is definitely linked to brain activity. What Chip said about rights assigned and removed at brain birth and death is what I agree with for this definition. I'm not sure about the 26 weeks though. I thought it was earlier than that (more like 12-15 weeks but I don't know). I'm not so sure I'm comfortable with the government deciding this by committee either.

It's not really something that is cut and dry or should have a one size fits all "solution" though. I just get annoyed when the "cluster of cells" label, which is valid, even if totally crass, only in the first couple of weeks of a pregnancy is used by pro-abortion absolutists to describe a fetus at 8 or 9 months. It's sickening. To me that's just a way to lie to themselves so they can possibly commit murder and not feel bad about it.

Many pro-choice people don't kid themselves. They know they are ending a life, and they are honest about it. It's the rationalizations I just cant deal with.

487 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:24:56pm

re: #412 MandyManners

Opposed to contraception? No. Preventing fertilization is not murder, IMO. Not into that "Every Sperm is Sacred" thing.
I am largely in agreement with most here. I do not think it will be outlawed, but I do think that, except in the cases mentioned, which amount to probably less than a tenth of a percent of all abortions performed annually, maybe even less, that it is murder. And I do think that most who want unlimited abortion with no restrictions want it for reasons of personal sexual freedom, or, hedonism, californication, swinging, all that. Sex with no consequences, like inconvenient babies.

488 bulwrk  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:25:01pm

re: #457 Afrocity

I guess they're not called the Longhorns for nothing.

489 jamgarr  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:25:44pm

re: #484 MandyManners

Catfish don't have scales?!

All I know is that it's good eating.


You don't want to know how to clean one, trust me.

490 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:25:53pm

re: #466 OldLineTexan

I wanna know if she let him play the back nine.

/go ahead, I asked for it


Mandy, whack him.

491 reine.de.tout  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:25:55pm

re: #421 Chip Designer

No one talks about it much, but IUDs work by preventing fertilized eggs from attaching to the uterus. For some, that's an abortion every month for IUD users.

That is correct. And many Catholics who use birth control, will not use the IUD for that reason.

492 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:25:56pm

(Full disclosure up front -- I am pro-life)

The most fundamental problem with the Republican Party, as with the Democratic Party, is character. Mark Twain's crack about America having "no native criminal class, with the possible exception of Congress" is still true, ... on both sides of the aisle.

Who screwed the Contract With America? Who-all treated the Stimulus Bill like the proverbial goose, squeezing golden eggs into it, as the case were.

Under the circumstances, these litmus tests are at best a distraction.
In my not-so-humble opinion, for many politicians they are a smoke screen.

It's easier to deal with someone else's ideology than what one sees when one looks into the mirror.

493 Soona'  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:26:11pm

re: #475 iLikeCandy

Which way? For being pro-choice or being pro-life? Or for being confused?

All of the above.

494 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:26:12pm

re: #465 Jim in Virginia

We used to say you had to be careful with the Baylor girls. We assumed their thinking was "I'll get pregnant. Then he'll have to marry me. "
Dont know if it ever happened but it was a good story.

I hate to say it but I met more religious hypocrites in Texas then anywhere.
Like the preacher who had myself and another black person over for supper and bible study and expected us to know how to sing because we were black. He gave us some hymn books and we started singing terrible. He stopped playing the organ and said "Can't you gals do some Aretha type vocals. You are black so I know you got some soul"

I wanted to puke my brisket and cornbread up.

495 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:26:12pm

I just called my mom. There are no scales on catfish.

496 opnion  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:26:20pm

re: #479 OldLineTexan

Awwwwww ... do we have a consolation prize, Jim?

/

You thought Baylor, Didn't ya?

497 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:26:53pm

re: #490 Jim in Virginia

Mandy, whack him.

Ha! I made her snicker.

/so there

498 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:27:00pm

re: #495 MandyManners

I just called my mom. There are no scales on catfish.

She's right.

499 brookly red  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:27:07pm

re: #472 Who Watches the Watchmen?

don't stand next to me... i don't wanna be no mushroom.

500 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:27:27pm

re: #479 OldLineTexan

Awwwwww ... do we have a consolation prize, Jim?

/


She gets a kiss from you.
Ewwwww!

501 Digital Display  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:27:29pm

re: #477 MandyManners

*snicker snicker*

Maandy..I owe you an apology.. Last night I should have not posted some of those rumors I hear about the Chris Brown thing.. I did not mean to upset anyone...but especially you...Just stuff I had heard..
You have never wacked me before..But I think I deserve one for that.
It has bothered me all day.. I am deeply sorry my friend..

502 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:27:33pm

re: #495 MandyManners

I just called my mom. There are no scales on catfish.

your mom?.....you don't trust me?....what an INSULT!...I'm rethinking your whole paradigm now

503 SixDegrees  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:27:43pm

re: #436 Jim in Virginia

OT- has this been posted yet?
John Walker Lindh's attorney to head Justice Dept Civil Division

Unbef--ingbelievable.

I'm not sure why this, in and of itself, is a bad thing. The attorney was hired by Lindh's parents to provide their son with a zealous defense. Mr. Lindh is still a client, despite having lost his case, and his attorney continues to represent him.

As far as I know, the attorney didn't come banging on the door demanding to be allowed to represent Lindh for the good of the cause, waving a kaffiyeh and shouting "Death to the Infidels!" He did what an attorney is required to do. And he didn't do it all that well, in the end.

There may be very legitimate reasons to question this appointment, but his past representation of Lindh or any other client doesn't strike me as a legitimate complaint.

504 Boxy_brown  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:27:53pm

re: #495 MandyManners

I just called my mom. There are no scales on catfish.

They keep them on the bathroom floor.

505 victor_yugo  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:28:09pm

re: #408 MandyManners

How do you know this?

Because the "women's resource center" (sometimes just a re-branded Planned Parenthood) is the place on campus where she finds the sympathetic ear and smooth words to calm her doubts before her abortion, no matter how selfish her motive. Not the infirmary, not her friends who would no longer be her friends when they find out she got knocked up by some guy she met at a party during spring break.

The WRC will prepare her for everything that will happen, will get the script into her mind so that she'll give the "correct" answers to the questions at the abortionist's office, and then when it's all over, they'll still have the smooth words to assuage whatever guilt remains.

No matter how selfish her motive.

Oh, you ask how I know this? One of the seven friends left from my first round of college, who is now an agnostic, pro-life Republican, explained it to me years later. She has absolutely zero patience for such selfish-minded "victims" when her husband is putting his own life on the line stopping roadside bombers in Iraq. She still wishes someone had brought her to her senses, instead of preying on her unfounded fears.

506 UberInfidel67  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:28:20pm

re: #439 zombie
Maybe I wasn't clear. Your argument sounded like a 10 year old girl,, who was already on this earth for 10 years, should be killed because her father is a rapist. That is not the equivalent of what a woman who has been raped has gone through since she got pregnant. Every day while that child is growing in her, she has to relive what happened to her. I am just trying to look at it from her perspective here. It is not the same as the 10yo. And I would venture to say that most abortions are made by selfish women and not rape victims. The selfish woman angle may make that rape point moot.

507 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:28:27pm

re: #487 Taqiyyotomist

Maybe I hang out with rational people but, I don't know anyone who's had multiple abortions.

508 DEZes  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:29:02pm

re: #495 MandyManners

I just called my mom. There are no scales on catfish.

Yuppers, but thats ok, I'll skin em if you cook em. ;)

509 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:29:13pm

re: #494 Afrocity

I hate to say it but I met more religious hypocrites in Texas then anywhere.
Like the preacher who had myself and another black person over for supper and bible study and expected us to know how to sing because we were black. He gave us some hymn books and we started singing terrible. He stopped playing the organ and said "Can't you gals do some Aretha type vocals. You are black so I know you got some soul"

I wanted to puke my brisket and cornbread up.

I'd have been tempted to shove that song book somewhere before I walked out the door.

510 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:29:13pm

re: #475 iLikeCandy

Which way? For being pro-choice or being pro-life? Or for being confused?

Probably that last one.

511 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:29:17pm

re: #436 Jim in Virginia

This is quite thread-worthy.
Good God.

512 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:29:20pm

*stomping out of the room, pissed as hell*

bbl

513 Soona'  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:29:31pm

re: #484 MandyManners

Catfish don't have scales?!

All I know is that it's good eating.

Love dem' catfish! :)

514 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:29:34pm

re: #466 OldLineTexan

I wanna know if she let him play the back nine.

/go ahead, I asked for it

OK:

SMACK!

Sorry I've kind of dropped back. I've said all I care to say on this issue, and I'm waiting for a new thread.

515 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:29:54pm

re: #496 opnion

You thought Baylor, Didn't ya?

No, but I was hoping for Rice. Because Afrocity is the kind of woman that would have been a HUGE plus for Rice, where there were two major groups of females ... Average Rice Females (ARF) and Below Average Rice Females (BARF). Myself, I went to Stephen F. Austin State University in Naco-nowhere as often as possible. 5-1 female-to-male ratio back in the day. The sidewalks were dripping with estrogen.

/////////

516 Randall Gross  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:30:01pm

I'm a life long Republican, you used to be able to have differing and indiviudual opinions about Abortion in this party without getting a stoning from both sides. It really sucks that social issues have over run our desire for a better future in this country. If Steele is ousted he'll get replaced with a neo-confederate or Discovery Institute favorite, you watch.

517 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:30:29pm

bbiab

518 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:30:54pm

re: #494 Afrocity

I hate to say it but I met more religious hypocrites in Texas then anywhere.

We have an asshole surplus, too.

/

519 razorbacker  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:31:31pm

re: #489 jamgarr

You don't want to know how to clean one, trust me.

A new way to clean catfish has been shown me that works very well, since I don't eat the belly flap.

Don't skin or gut the critter. Fillet it like a bass, without cutting the fillet loose from the tail. You then can run a sharp flexible blade between the flesh and skin and presto! Catfish fillet. Guts are still in the belly, protected by the ribcage, also never opened.

520 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:31:32pm

re: #507 MandyManners

Maybe I hang out with rational people but, I don't know anyone who's had multiple abortions.

Okay my aunt had 8. I am not kidding, 2 self induced before Roe v. Wade. It is disgusting. Now she is devout Christian and is pro life.

521 iLikeCandy  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:31:38pm

Come to think of it, I don't know how it is that "the party" makes rules or builds platforms that so many people can't live with. What's the Republican party if it's not a large group of people like us? I see mostly rational people here on both sides of the issue -- and rational disagreement. Aren't we the party? What's this big, amorphous, unassailable "party" that's acting idiotic and pushing us to defeat in 2010 and 2012?

Or is this "party power" some other phenomenon, like mob psychology?

522 LGoPs  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:31:38pm

re: #484 MandyManners

Catfish don't have scales?!

All I know is that it's good eating.

My religion allows for using cats as lollipops.

523 vagabond trader  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:32:01pm

re: #436 Jim in Virginia

He'll make a nice matching bookend with Ogden who defends pornographers and child molesters.

524 restitutor orbis  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:32:08pm

This is great news. It's time to show this moron the door. He's nothing but the nation's second highest affirmative action hire, the first being you-know-who.

As I see it, is feud w/ Rush was idiotic and his statements on abortion seem confused. In my opinion, neither was really a deal breaker

But sheepishly agreeing to an outrageous statement comparing his own party, the party HE IS CHAIRMAN of, to the Nazis, is completely unforgivable. After seeing that, this guy can go fuck himself.
For that, he should have been sent packing the very next day.

525 Gus  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:32:12pm

re: #522 LGoPs

My religion allows for using cats as lollipops.

Hey, that's better than a timing belt.

//

526 opnion  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:32:26pm

re: #515 OldLineTexan

No, but I was hoping for Rice. Because Afrocity is the kind of woman that would have been a HUGE plus for Rice, where there were two major groups of females ... Average Rice Females (ARF) and Below Average Rice Females (BARF). Myself, I went to Stephen F. Austin State University in Naco-nowhere as often as possible. 5-1 female-to-male ratio back in the day. The sidewalks were dripping with estrogen.

/////////

Good times! I always did better when very outnumbered by females. You know, by default & all that.

527 UberInfidel67  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:32:48pm

re: #494 Afrocity
ROFLMAO. Is that you Beyonce? Steroetyping can be funny.....just sometimes. lol lol lol

528 jamgarr  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:32:55pm

re: #519 razorbacker

A new way to clean catfish has been shown me that works very well, since I don't eat the belly flap.

Don't skin or gut the critter. Fillet it like a bass, without cutting the fillet loose from the tail. You then can run a sharp flexible blade between the flesh and skin and presto! Catfish fillet. Guts are still in the belly, protected by the ribcage, also never opened.

I might try that - although my filet skills are far from perfect.

529 Soona'  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:32:56pm

re: #496 opnion

You thought Baylor, Didn't ya?

Baylor beat Kansas in the Big 12 tourney today.

530 yochanan  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:33:09pm

the mistake the liberal feminist make is they act like abortion is like getting their nails or hair cut.

If a fetilized egg is inside a woman IT IS THE POTENTAL OF LIFE i.e. if everything goes well you will have a baby. Jews value human life esp. babies If you have a miscarage you don't fellow the laws of morning you would if your baby would die after birth (heaven forbid) And if you have an accident and happen to cause harm to a woman who is preg. and she has a miscarage jewish law does not say you have cause 'manslaguhter but you do have to pay damages. One of the reasons the church of Rome takes the position it does on abortion is because they feel that the 'baby' is pure but that the 'woman' is living in 'sin' I wish the church had gotten as upset about abortion as it didn't get upset during the Holocust when it was 'jewish life'

531 opnion  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:33:54pm

re: #529 Soona'

Baylor beat Kansas in the Big 12 tourney today.

Upset City, baby!

532 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:34:11pm

re: #528 jamgarr

I might try that - although my filet skills are far from perfect.

use a good very sharp knife...razor sharp

533 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:34:27pm

re: #515 OldLineTexan

Old Line. I lived in Houston for 8 years, and actually transferred to U of H because my mom needed me closer and I liked the diversity there better. The roommate--I was at UT when it happened because my brother was stationed in Fort Hood, TX.

I love the Rice Village neighborhood.

534 Basho  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:34:30pm

re: #530 yochanan

One of the reasons the church of Rome takes the position it does on abortion is because they feel that the 'baby' is pure but that the 'woman' is living in 'sin' I wish the church had gotten as upset about abortion as it didn't get upset during the Holocust when it was 'jewish life'

Check out this story:
[Link: scienceblogs.com...]

535 Soona'  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:34:48pm

re: #515 OldLineTexan

No, but I was hoping for Rice. Because Afrocity is the kind of woman that would have been a HUGE plus for Rice, where there were two major groups of females ... Average Rice Females (ARF) and Below Average Rice Females (BARF). Myself, I went to Stephen F. Austin State University in Naco-nowhere as often as possible. 5-1 female-to-male ratio back in the day. The sidewalks were dripping with estrogen.

/////////

That much estrogen could be a good thing and a very very bad thing.

536 Westward Ho  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:34:49pm

re: #473 UberInfidel67

Dosn't the Catholic Church condemn contraception?

537 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:34:50pm

re: #502 albusteve

your mom?.....you don't trust me?....what an INSULT!...I'm rethinking your whole paradigm now

Rethinking the paradigm?

I'm completely lost, what's that a euphemism for?

538 victor_yugo  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:34:57pm

re: #490 Jim in Virginia

Mandy, whack him.

I suppose speculation about the 19th hole would be, ah, bad form?

539 Neutral President  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:34:59pm

re: #507 MandyManners

Maybe I hang out with rational people but, I don't know anyone who's had multiple abortions.

I know a couple of people who have. One was basically an unpaid whore from the age of 17 until 27, the other was a perpetual college student pseudo-intellectual so liberal it hurts "womyn". The former has turned her life around. The latter, still is doing the same shit 10 years or so later.

540 razorbacker  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:35:11pm

re: #528 jamgarr

I might try that - although my filet skills are far from perfect.

I don't do it on big fish. They still need to be bleed by having the tail cut off.

541 yochanan  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:35:16pm

re: #461 albusteve

no catfish, no swordfish, no shark,

i currently work in a kosher seakitten shop.

542 iLikeCandy  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:35:16pm

re: #512 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*stomping out of the room, pissed as hell*

bbl

Hm. Wonder which post did it.

Anyway, I've got to go, too. bbmlab

543 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:36:04pm

re: #515 OldLineTexan

No, but I was hoping for Rice. Because Afrocity is the kind of woman that would have been a HUGE plus for Rice, where there were two major groups of females ... Average Rice Females (ARF) and Below Average Rice Females (BARF). Myself, I went to Stephen F. Austin State University in Naco-nowhere as often as possible. 5-1 female-to-male ratio back in the day. The sidewalks were dripping with estrogen.

/////////


But back in the day the Typical Rice Guy wasn't much of a catch either. SuperNerd!.
Me, I went home on breaks to Fayetteville Arkansas. Razorback babes. Oooh pig sooey!

OLT, did you have a t shirt ,

I go to Rice. I must be smart... and horny.
544 jamgarr  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:36:41pm

re: #532 albusteve

use a good very sharp knife...razor sharp


I have a nice Rapala - it's just my lack of skill

545 Catttt  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:37:29pm

re: #522 LGoPs

My religion allows for using cats as lollipops.

Mine allows for using you as wastewater ballast.

546 UberInfidel67  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:37:30pm

re: #536 Westward Ho
I really don't think so, but I can't be sure. Since it prevents fertilization, there is no life created to be destroyed. No the IUD thing is a whole 'nother story....at least for me. The Pill is preventing anything from ever starting, not quite the same as the IUD method.

547 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:37:45pm

re: #537 CyanSnowHawk

Rethinking the paradigm?

I'm completely lost, what's that a euphemism for?

thought pattern that defines an idea or belief would be my guess

548 Catttt  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:38:42pm

Octopus tastes like sliced garden hose - probably (I've never actually tried garden hose).

549 razorbacker  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:38:47pm

re: #543 Jim in Virginia

There is no truth to the rumor that Rice was formerly known as Sam Houston Institute of Technology, is there?

550 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:39:16pm

re: #527 UberInfidel67

ROFLMAO. Is that you Beyonce? Steroetyping can be funny.....just sometimes. lol lol lol

God, I could write a book about Texas and the crazy people I met.

Once in a bar in Fort Worth a white man comes up to me and asked me to danced. It was a country bar and my sority sisters dressed me up in Rocky ropers and Justin boots for the first time. The guy says in my ear, "you look so good I could put a sack over your head and forget you are black".

It is one of the worst things anyone has ever said to me.

551 LGoPs  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:39:33pm

re: #545 Catttt

Mine allows for using you as wastewater ballast.

Oops. Forgot there were some cat lovers out there.........
Although my original comment didn't result in any harm to the cats.
:)

552 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:39:42pm

re: #549 razorbacker

Mwhahahahaha!

553 Soona'  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:40:29pm

re: #546 UberInfidel67

I really don't think so, but I can't be sure. Since it prevents fertilization, there is no life created to be destroyed. No the IUD thing is a whole 'nother story....at least for me. The Pill is preventing anything from ever starting, not quite the same as the IUD method.

And then there's the IED method.
//terrorist off

554 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:40:36pm

re: #544 jamgarr

I have a nice Rapala - it's just my lack of skill

you have the skill....I mean razor sharp, thats the key...the knife should just slide between flesh and skin easily

555 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:40:36pm

sorry I cant type today, doing too much at once.

556 UberInfidel67  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:40:53pm

My Aunt had an abortion years ago after getting pregnant with her 8th child to her drunken bastard of a husband. Now she was raised in a Catholic orphanage! I guess she though long and hard about it though. Now she still attends church but cannot receive communion. All these years later, her daughter got pregnant, with her second black child (oh the disgrace/). She went through Catholic Charities and put the baby up for adoption. SHE claims the baby was a product of rape (didn't want the family to know she had another black boyfriend)....but she still chose life. Just wanted to put that out here.

557 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:40:53pm

I just get a kick out of the Orwellian phrase found in every phonebook:
Abortion Providers.

Such selfless givers they are.

558 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:41:02pm

re: #518 OldLineTexan

We have an asshole surplus, too.

/

Well, they do say that everything is bigger in Texas.

559 BatGuano  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:41:07pm

I'm 547 posts behind so please forgive me: When Steele said his personal opinions have nothing to do with his job, doesn't that also mean he just as easily head the DNC?

560 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:41:13pm

re: #542 iLikeCandy

Hm. Wonder which post did it.

Anyway, I've got to go, too. bbmlab

No posted comment did it.
See my #492.

561 Catttt  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:41:17pm

re: #551 LGoPs

Oops. Forgot there were some cat lovers out there.........
Although my original comment didn't result in any harm to the cats.
:)

Oh, right. It's easy to overlook the lowly catttt. Don't mind me. Go play with your dogs. Our minions are wattttcccchingg you. Evil laugh. /

562 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:41:33pm

re: #550 Afrocity
That is probably one of the 10 stupidest things I've ever heard of someone saying. Did ya kick the yokel in the crotch and dump a beer on his pointy head?

563 LGoPs  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:41:35pm

re: #550 Afrocity

God, I could write a book about Texas and the crazy people I met.

Once in a bar in Fort Worth a white man comes up to me and asked me to danced. It was a country bar and my sority sisters dressed me up in Rocky ropers and Justin boots for the first time. The guy says in my ear, "you look so good I could put a sack over your head and forget you are black".

It is one of the worst things anyone has ever said to me.

Shame on him.

564 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:41:36pm

re: #560 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Back in for a bit.

565 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:41:41pm

re: #548 Catttt

Octopus tastes like sliced garden hose - probably (I've never actually tried garden hose).

that's what I'm thinkin....who would eat such a thing?....maybe in a taco

566 UberInfidel67  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:41:48pm

re: #550 Afrocity
I hope you belted him in the mouth...or at least kicked him in the nuts!

567 UberInfidel67  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:42:46pm

re: #553 Soona'
Improvised Erection Device = Dildo? lol

568 victor_yugo  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:43:09pm

Okay, the thread is bogging down (I'm on a borrowed system), so I'll maybe catch you all later.

/me winks at Afrocity

TTFN

569 reine.de.tout  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:43:22pm

re: #530 yochanan

. . . One of the reasons the church of Rome takes the position it does on abortion is because they feel that the 'baby' is pure but that the 'woman' is living in 'sin' I wish the church had gotten as upset about abortion as it didn't get upset during the Holocust when it was 'jewish life'

Uh, Yochanan, where did you get that information?

The Catholic Church is against abortion because it believes that human life begins at conception.

I'm a Catholic, and I never heard the "take" on it that you have described. Ever.

And as for "living in sin" . . . the issue isn't whether or not one is a "sinner", because it's sort of a given that we are. The issue is whether or not one sincerely repents of one's sins, and makes every good faith effort to not continue to sin.

570 razorbacker  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:44:01pm

re: #550 Afrocity

There was a time when I would have doubted your story, thinking that no one could be so crude.

I'm older now, and have seen crude in action.

At least he didn't compliment you on your ability to control that 'stink'.

571 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:44:05pm

re: #559 BatGuano

I'm 547 posts behind so please forgive me: When Steele said his personal opinions have nothing to do with his job, doesn't that also mean he just as easily head the DNC?

I thought nothing at all of it, except to mentally give Steele and up-ding.
Such a stance is to be expected of the leader of a diverse party.

572 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:44:47pm

re: #550 Afrocity

Wow. Wish some big Lizards were there for you.

"You said what to the pretty lady? Prepare to be defenestrated."

573 Digital Display  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:45:04pm

re: #550 Afrocity

I'm sorry Afro..Nobody should put up with that shit..even in Texas

574 SixDegrees  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:45:08pm

re: #548 Catttt

Octopus tastes like sliced garden hose - probably (I've never actually tried garden hose).

You've never had properly cooked octopus, either.

Not that you're unusual. Octopus is notoriously easy to screw up, and most people do just that. But if cooked very briefly - or for a very long time - it is very tender.

575 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:45:20pm

re: #550 Afrocity

...and {Afrocity}
;)

576 Soona'  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:45:30pm

re: #565 albusteve

that's what I'm thinkin....who would eat such a thing?....maybe in a taco

....tastes like old garden hose....

577 UberInfidel67  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:45:57pm

re: #576 Soona'
As opposed to a NEW garden hose?

578 SFGoth  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:46:37pm

The Republican Party is doing it's darndest to prove Darwin right.

579 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:46:38pm

re: #577 UberInfidel67
New garden hoses taste like snake.

580 UberInfidel67  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:47:00pm

re: #579 pingjockey
Huh...thanks for sharing that. : p

581 BatGuano  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:47:02pm

re: #571 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Fair enough. I'm not as outraged as some here over what he said:It's the ambiguity of his remarks that have me concerned.

582 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:47:10pm

I haven't been in all thread ... but why in th' hell is Steele, as the leader of the Party, getting hammered for setting his personal opinions aside?

Would you rather have Huckabee (who DOESN'T set his opinions aside) as the Chairman?

/go look up the larger definition of statesman!

583 vagabond trader  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:47:12pm

re: #557 Taqiyyotomist

I know one guy here in my small town and came to find his name listed for every frakkin city up and down the state. A provider with a route.

584 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:48:09pm

re: #579 pingjockey

New garden hoses taste like snake.

rattlesnake is very tasty...seems pretty normal to eat a snake

585 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:48:34pm

re: #581 BatGuano

Fair enough. I'm not as outraged as some here over what he said:It's the ambiguity of his remarks that have me concerned.

And I haven't followed any of his remarks.
I was merely responding to that single point.

586 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:48:58pm

re: #580 UberInfidel67
Heh. Well y'all were into this octopus/squid thingy.
Actually, I had bar b q'd octopus in Acapulco. It was good. Small octopus, came on a stick.

587 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:49:13pm

re: #547 albusteve

thought pattern that defines an idea or belief would be my guess

That would be the actual definition. Think like you live in the gutter every once in a while why don't you?
/

588 Westward Ho  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:49:40pm

re: #530 yochanan

the mistake the liberal feminist make is they act like abortion is like getting their nails or hair cut.

/blockquote>

re: #530 yochanan

the mistake the liberal feminist make is they act like abortion is like getting their nails or hair cut.

If a fetilized egg is inside a woman IT IS THE POTENTAL OF LIFE '


SO IS THE SPERM IN MY BALLS WHEN I MASTURBATE.

I wish the church had gotten as upset about abortion as it didn't get upset during the Holocust when it was 'jewish life'

IS EJACULATION THE EQUIVALENT OF NAZI GENOCIDE?

IS EV

589 Soona'  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:49:43pm

re: #584 albusteve

rattlesnake is very tasty...seems pretty normal to eat a snake

You're right. Snake meat ain't that bad.

590 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:50:00pm

re: #573 HoosierHoops

I'm sorry Afro..Nobody should put up with that shit..even in Texas

You have to forgive people like that.
I grew up in Chicago and thought there was no racism. Then went to Texas where it was in my face, had KKK come by my dorm and march during a parade. I came "back north" after 8 years and you know what? there is racism everywhere it is just hidden better in the North. There is reverse racism. Obama is a racist, Farrakhan is a racist.

I embrace my time in Texas. They taught me conservative values and gave me a better relationship with God that I did not have in Chicago.

591 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:50:02pm

re: #584 albusteve
Yep. Had fried rattlesnake. Meaty texture, didn't taste like chicken.

592 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:50:12pm

re: #586 pingjockey

Heh. Well y'all were into this octopus/squid thingy.
Actually, I had bar b q'd octopus in Acapulco. It was good. Small octopus, came on a stick.

myth...that is just to outrageous to believe...I call BS

593 capitalist piglet  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:50:43pm

re: #494 Afrocity

I hate to say it but I met more religious hypocrites in Texas then anywhere.
Like the preacher who had myself and another black person over for supper and bible study and expected us to know how to sing because we were black. He gave us some hymn books and we started singing terrible. He stopped playing the organ and said "Can't you gals do some Aretha type vocals. You are black so I know you got some soul"

I wanted to puke my brisket and cornbread up.

Oh man, I'm a soul singer, but I'm white (I've showed up for sessions before where producers/engineers expected me to be black and were shocked when they let me in the door). I once sang a duet in a church with a black man who was very, very good, but really, the whole band was great. The thing was, the rest of us were white.

We did our thing and sat down, and I thought the pastor (a white man) was going to have a breakdown, he was so over-the-top, falling all over himself to thank the black man for coming, for sounding so amazing, etc. - and the rest of us were just invisible. It was quite hilarious, actually. Embarrassing on so many levels. My vocalist friend (his name is quite unique or I'd use it here) didn't enjoy it much.

594 Soona'  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:50:58pm

re: #586 pingjockey

Heh. Well y'all were into this octopus/squid thingy.
Actually, I had bar b q'd octopus in Acapulco. It was good. Small octopus, came on a stick.

I'm not going there. I'm not going there. I'm not...........

595 Boxy_brown  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:51:01pm

re: #566 UberInfidel67

I hope you belted him in the mouth...or at least kicked him in the nuts!

Such a short-pricked bastard might not notice a kick to balls.

596 UberInfidel67  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:51:01pm

re: #586 pingjockey I have NEVER eaten anything that funky in my life! lol When my Dad was in the Navy he spent a lot of time in the Med and ate all kinds of funky shit. YUCK!

597 LGoPs  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:51:16pm

re: #584 albusteve

rattlesnake is very tasty...seems pretty normal to eat a snake

Hey. Don't tread on me........
[Link: www.gadsden.info...]

598 Bumr50  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:51:25pm

re: #585 pre-Boomer Marine brat

He also said that the Republicans need to "offer more" to minorities.
And he didn't say it in a conceptual way either.

599 Cathypop  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:51:36pm

re: #586 pingjockey

Heh. Well y'all were into this octopus/squid thingy.
Actually, I had bar b q'd octopus in Acapulco. It was good. Small octopus, came on a stick.

Small octopus tenticle sauted in butter and garlic are excelent! They do start tasting and smelling like rubber when they are old. l

600 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:51:57pm

re: #586 pingjockey

Heh. Well y'all were into this octopus/squid thingy.
Actually, I had bar b q'd octopus in Acapulco. It was good. Small octopus, came on a stick.

Stay away from anything in Acapulco that's armed.
Case in point -- you found yourself involved in a stick-up.

/I need a laugh

601 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:52:08pm

re: #587 CyanSnowHawk

That would be the actual definition. Think like you live in the gutter every once in a while why don't you?
/

makes me seem smart when I use 'paradigm', don't it?

602 razorbacker  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:52:38pm

Hearing Afrocity's story about the dancing dumbass reminds me of a conversation that I had with a lady at my wife's high school reunion.

I was surprised to find her there, as she had made no secret of the fact that she couldn't wait to graduate and get the hell out of racist Arkansas. So she had. Moved to Boston to live with the enlightened.

So I asked her why she had moved back.

Her answer?

"Down here the bigots are up front and open. You know who they are and can avoid them like the plague they are. Up there they smile to your face and then stab you in the back.

I like them better out in the open and identifiable."

603 LGoPs  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:53:15pm

re: #596 UberInfidel67

I have NEVER eaten anything that funky in my life! lol When my Dad was in the Navy he spent a lot of time in the Med and ate all kinds of funky shit. YUCK!

Funkiest thing I ever ate was camel.

604 UberInfidel67  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:53:34pm

re: #595 Boxy_brown
Well then a nice friendly curb stomp would have been just fine with me

605 capitalist piglet  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:53:41pm

re: #550 Afrocity

God, I could write a book about Texas and the crazy people I met.

Once in a bar in Fort Worth a white man comes up to me and asked me to danced. It was a country bar and my sority sisters dressed me up in Rocky ropers and Justin boots for the first time. The guy says in my ear, "you look so good I could put a sack over your head and forget you are black".

It is one of the worst things anyone has ever said to me.

What an asshole. I hope you kicked his microscopic testicles into his stomach.

606 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:53:47pm

re: #592 albusteve
Nope. For real. Reminded me of the Philipines, there it was monkey meat on stick.

607 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:54:00pm

re: #591 pingjockey

Yep. Had fried rattlesnake. Meaty texture, didn't taste like chicken.

BBQ is excellent too...little grilled chunkletts

608 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:54:07pm

re: #524 restitutor orbis

This is great news. It's time to show this moron the door. He's nothing but the nation's second highest affirmative action hire, the first being you-know-who.

As I see it, is feud w/ Rush was idiotic and his statements on abortion seem confused. In my opinion, neither was really a deal breaker

But sheepishly agreeing to an outrageous statement comparing his own party, the party HE IS CHAIRMAN of, to the Nazis, is completely unforgivable. After seeing that, this guy can go fuck himself.
For that, he should have been sent packing the very next day.

OK, our first troll on this thread has come out from his hole.

/yellow smoke

609 jamgarr  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:54:10pm

re: #603 LGoPs

Funkiest thing I ever ate was camel.

One hump or two?

610 Cathypop  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:54:21pm

re: #603 LGoPs

Funkiest thing I ever ate was camel.

Ever had tamales made with badger?

611 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:54:21pm

re: #550 Afrocity

God, I could write a book about Texas and the crazy people I met.

Once in a bar in Fort Worth a white man comes up to me and asked me to danced. It was a country bar and my sority sisters dressed me up in Rocky ropers and Justin boots for the first time. The guy says in my ear, "you look so good I could put a sack over your head and forget you are black".

It is one of the worst things anyone has ever said to me.

UGGGHHHH

612 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:55:08pm

re: #602 razorbacker

Hearing Afrocity's story about the dancing dumbass reminds me of a conversation that I had with a lady at my wife's high school reunion.

I was surprised to find her there, as she had made no secret of the fact that she couldn't wait to graduate and get the hell out of racist Arkansas. So she had. Moved to Boston to live with the enlightened.

So I asked her why she had moved back.

Her answer?

"Down here the bigots are up front and open. You know who they are and can avoid them like the plague they are. Up there they smile to your face and then stab you in the back.

I like them better out in the open and identifiable."

Was her name Dick Gregory?

613 Digital Display  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:55:09pm

re: #591 pingjockey

Yep. Had fried rattlesnake. Meaty texture, didn't taste like chicken.

If I ever get stuck on an Island starving to death..I'm pretty sure I'd die first before eating a snake..And I don't care how it tastes..Just creeps me out.

614 UberInfidel67  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:55:14pm

re: #603 LGoPs
But they're so cute! You brute you brute you brute! I like watching Bizarre Foods on the Travel channel and some of the stuff that guy eats.......ZOMG!

615 LGoPs  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:55:34pm

re: #609 jamgarr

One hump or two?

One. I had the haunch. Tasted like pot roast.

616 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:55:47pm

re: #599 Cathypop

Small octopus tenticle sauted in butter and garlic are excelent! They do start tasting and smelling like rubber when they are old. l

gawd....you too eh?

617 opnion  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:55:50pm

Later gators.

618 yochanan  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:56:07pm

re: #548 Catttt

cooking octapussy smells like you lit said rubber hose with a match.

619 avanti  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:56:25pm

Steele "clarifies" interview

620 UberInfidel67  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:56:32pm

re: #613 HoosierHoops
You need that big badass family member Marine to teach you some survival skills. lol

621 razorbacker  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:56:40pm

re: #612 pre-Boomer Marine brat

No. *I'm missing something here, better go see what DG has said.*

622 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:56:46pm

re: #613 HoosierHoops

If I ever get stuck on an Island starving to death..I'm pretty sure I'd die first before eating a snake..And I don't care how it tastes..Just creeps me out.

HISSSSS!.....BOOGA BOOGA!

623 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:56:52pm

re: #610 Cathypop
That sounds interesting. Want to know a sure way to get found if you're lost in the woods? Find a badger den, take your hat, fill with water. Start pouring down the badger hole. Sure as shootin' some one will show up and ask you why are you doing such a damn fool thing.

624 LGoPs  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:56:57pm

re: #610 Cathypop

Ever had tamales made with badger?

Nooooooo!. Yech. And stop badgering me......
:)

625 Cathypop  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:57:00pm

re: #616 albusteve
YUP!

626 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:57:15pm

re: #593 capitalist piglet

Piglet you changed your avatar!

That is an example of reverse racism.
They only see black.
I know a woman that only reads books by black authors, goes only to black businesses.
People assume I voted for Obama--WHICH PISSES ME OFFF.

Obama running made things worse because now we have some true bigots thinking they are "hip" because they pulled the lever for B-zero over McCain.

Historic moment my ass. Obama is incompetent will probably do more damage to the image of black politicians than anyone. Even Michael Steele is being judged by the BO measuring stick.

627 UberInfidel67  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:57:51pm

re: #622 albusteve
I would eat a snake...but I draw the line at bugs! Fuck that!

/pardon my french

628 Neutral President  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:58:42pm

re: #581 BatGuano

Fair enough. I'm not as outraged as some here over what he said:It's the ambiguity of his remarks that have me concerned.

I would not have cared what he said one way or the other about this (other than that I think this abortion amendment is a really bad idea) if he didn't flip-flop when the water got a little rough. His apparent backpedaling and 180 has me worried about what will happen if he says something about ID and all the biblical literalist wackos in the party carp about it. We need someone who can drop the hammer, not waffle around trying to please everyone. Schwarzenegger could have been GOP chair and done this crap.

629 Cathypop  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:58:46pm

re: #623 pingjockey

Does it have to be a badger's hole or can it be a raccoon's hole.
Okay, that just sound wrong.

630 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:58:48pm

Later folks.

631 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:58:54pm

re: #627 UberInfidel67

I would eat a snake...but I draw the line at bugs! Fuck that!

/pardon my french

bugs are not edible...no bug is edible...it's just a trick

632 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:59:07pm

re: #621 razorbacker

No. *I'm missing something here, better go see what DG has said.*

(paraphrasing, it's been decades since I heard it) ... In the South, they don't care how close you get, as long as you don't get too big. In the North, they don't care how big you get, as long as you don't get too close.

633 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:59:25pm

re: #601 albusteve

makes me seem smart when I use 'paradigm', don't it?

Either that or you got twenty cents in your pocket.

634 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:59:30pm

OT: I posted this in the wounded vets thread, but didn't want anyone to miss it. It's and interesting article.

The New Unknown Soldiers

Speechmakers like to praise the "sacrifices of our men and women overseas." But soldiers' sacrifices don't end when they step off the troop transports and hug their families.
635 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:59:48pm

Real or fake?
bicycle on highway at 100km/h (60mp/h)

Liveleak Video
636 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:59:53pm

re: #520 Afrocity

Okay my aunt had 8. I am not kidding, 2 self induced before Roe v. Wade. It is disgusting. Now she is devout Christian and is pro life.


The Choices We Made: Twenty-Five Women and Men Speak Out About Abortion by Gloria Steinem and Angela Bonavoglia

Whoopi Goldberg had nine. I hope your aunt has found peace -- it's amazing how someone's heart can change.

637 UberInfidel67  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:00:09pm

re: #631 albusteve
Really? Honest? Promise me. Pinky swear! Everywhere i look people are expounded on the benefits of bug eating! I call BS...so you are with me, right?

638 Bumr50  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:01:00pm

re: #603 LGoPs

Stuffed camel?

639 razorbacker  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:01:33pm

re: #626 Afrocity

Obama is incompetent will probably do more damage to the image of black politicians than anyone. Even Michael Steele is being judged by the BO measuring stick.

Look at it this way.

Up to now, the 'first black' always had to be considerably better than most everybody else to get his chance.

Now, just like with white folks, any damn fool can get elected.

So see, it really is a step forward in racial equality.

640 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:01:34pm

re: #633 CyanSnowHawk

Either that or you got twenty cents in your pocket.

that's two dimes right?

641 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:01:44pm

re: #610 Cathypop

Ever had tamales made with badger?

Badger?
Badger?
I don't eat no stinkin' Badger!

642 Digital Display  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:02:09pm

re: #620 UberInfidel67

You need that big badass family member Marine to teach you some survival skills. lol

snakes freak me out..As long as there is still grass and veggies..I'm good to go...a few coconuts here and there..never..and I mean never would I eat a snake!
LOL..

643 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:02:19pm

re: #543 Jim in Virginia

I had

I go to Rice, I used to be smart

on a t-shirt. I wore that one out.

644 UberInfidel67  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:02:44pm

re: #636 doppelganglander
Whoopi had 9? And I am glad for AfroCity's aunt...she is attending church and obviously asking for forgivness. She should be commended for that. God accepts your apology if you are truly sorry.

645 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:02:51pm

re: #635 Killgore Trout

Real or fake?
bicycle on highway at 100km/h (60mp/h)

[Video]

fake...show me the chain

646 Soona'  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:02:53pm

re: #603 LGoPs

Funkiest thing I ever ate was camel.

Strangest thing I've ever eaten was dog sausage.

647 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:02:57pm

re: #602 razorbacker

"Down here the bigots are up front and open. You know who they are and can avoid them like the plague they are. Up there they smile to your face and then stab you in the back. I like them better out in the open and identifiable."

Razor you get updings. This is so true. New York City has its share of hypocrites.

648 UberInfidel67  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:03:36pm

re: #642 HoosierHoops
lol lol Just hasslin' ya.

649 LGoPs  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:03:45pm

re: #629 Cathypop

Does it have to be a badger's hole or can it be a raccoon's hole.
Okay, that just sound wrong.

What would sound worse would be an ass's hole.......
I couldn't resist.

650 Boxy_brown  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:04:18pm

re: #635 Killgore Trout

Real. He is being sucked along by the truck. Good thing they got it on video before he became eligible for his Darwin award too.

651 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:04:33pm

re: #635 Killgore Trout

Possible, I guess.
The bike is in that truck's slipstream (correct term for it?).

652 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:04:37pm

re: #637 UberInfidel67

Really? Honest? Promise me. Pinky swear! Everywhere i look people are expounded on the benefits of bug eating! I call BS...so you are with me, right?

yes...God did not put bugs on the ground for people eat...they have another purpose apparently.....

653 UberInfidel67  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:04:49pm

re: #649 LGoPs
Donkeys live underground? Huh, who knew?

654 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:05:02pm

re: #642 HoosierHoops

snakes freak me out..As long as there is still grass and veggies..I'm good to go...a few coconuts here and there..never..and I mean never would I eat a snake!
LOL..

If I'm hungry enough, I'll eat any gawt-damned thing that moves. Word to the wise: don't get stuck on a deserted island with me.

655 LGoPs  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:05:13pm

re: #638 Bumr50

Stuffed camel?

LOL.......

656 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:05:21pm

re: #645 albusteve

Probably. I don't know how that bike is geared but I'd think he'd be pedaling faster.

657 screaming_eagle  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:06:10pm

re: #603 LGoPs

Funkiest thing I ever ate was camel.

Funkiest thing I ever ate was Meatballs,Beef and Rice in BBQ Sauce.
The nastiest MRE ever invented.

658 capitalist piglet  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:06:16pm

re: #626 Afrocity

It was just so weird that he assumed a black man would want to be treated like that. I mean, the guy can really sing - personally, I love him - but it wasn't just about his singing. The pastor acted like he'd been waiting all his life to say something nice to a black person, and just gushed his ass off.

I'll bet he voted for Obama, too.

659 UberInfidel67  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:06:32pm

re: #652 albusteve
I remember one episode of Bizarre Foods when he was eating these little bugs from south America. I looked and looked, and then googled the named...here they were the fucking stink bugs that are invading houses around here! So do I kill them or eat them? *YUK*

660 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:06:41pm

re: #656 Killgore Trout

Probably. I don't know how that bike is geared but I'd think he'd be pedaling faster.

yes...or use a 24" sprocket

661 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:06:56pm

re: #646 Soona'

Strangest thing I've ever eaten was dog sausage.

Snausages!

662 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:06:58pm

re: #549 razorbacker

There is no truth to the rumor that Rice was formerly known as Sam Houston Institute of Technology, is there?

No, but that's pretty good.

663 SFGoth  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:07:00pm

re: #590 Afrocity

There is reverse racism.

There's no such thing as reverse racism. It's just racism.

664 razorbacker  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:07:29pm

Finding help when lost. It only works with men, sadly.

Simple, really. Open the hood of your vehicle and fiddle with some doodad or other. If any man is anywhere around, he is going to have to come see what you're doing, and be willing to show you how to do it better.

Then ask him where you are, and how not to be there.

665 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:07:34pm

re: #656 Killgore Trout

Probably. I don't know how that bike is geared but I'd think he'd be pedaling faster.

In a car, you'll use less gas if you get close-in behind a big rig.

/until the trucker gets pissed-off enough and hits his jake-brake

666 Boxy_brown  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:08:15pm

re: #647 Afrocity

This is so true.

An old roommate used to go on and on about the whole "lowered expectation" thing. One someone believes that they are forever doing you a favor they are just as much of a bigot as mr sack on the head (even though they think they are being enlightened in some way) They have the potential to do more damage than a more obvious idiot.

667 LGoPs  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:08:40pm

re: #657 screaming_eagle

Funkiest thing I ever ate was Meatballs,Beef and Rice in BBQ Sauce.
The nastiest MRE ever invented.

LOL. I used to hate Beef and Boulders (Potatoes) - old C-Rats.

668 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:08:58pm

re: #666 Boxy_brown

An old roommate used to go on and on about the whole "lowered expectation" thing. One someone believes that they are forever doing you a favor they are just as much of a bigot as mr sack on the head (even though they think they are being enlightened in some way) They have the potential to do more damage than a more obvious idiot.

True.

But she still should have put *his* sack on his head.

669 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:09:00pm

On Topic: I'd have a lot more confidence in Steele if he would just stop backpedaling on statements. Say what you mean, mean what you say.

670 avanti  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:09:12pm

re: #665 pre-Boomer Marine brat

In a car, you'll use less gas if you get close-in behind a big rig.

/until the trucker gets pissed-off enough and hits his jake-brake

Yep, it's drafting

671 Digital Display  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:09:41pm

re: #654 Slumbering Behemoth

If I'm hungry enough, I'll eat any gawt-damned thing that moves. Word to the wise: don't get stuck on a deserted island with me.

What happens when you get get stuck on an Island with Mary Ann?
or Ginger?
You'd be the best fisherman in the whole world..I promise you

672 Boxy_brown  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:10:04pm

re: #668 OldLineTexan


But she still should have put *his* sack on his head.

Put him in the sack and tossed him off a bridge. ;-)

Got to split.

673 Soona'  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:10:12pm

re: #661 CyanSnowHawk

Snausages!

I think in Vietnam they were just muttages.

674 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:10:31pm

re: #635 Killgore Trout

Yikes! Real, I'm guessing. That's not very safe.

675 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:10:35pm

re: #671 HoosierHoops

What happens when you get get stuck on an Island with Mary Ann?
or Ginger?
You'd be the best fisherman in the whole world..I promise you

I am not going to type what I am thinking.

/sigh I feel better now

676 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:10:44pm

re: #644 UberInfidel67

Whoopi had 9? And I am glad for AfroCity's aunt...she is attending church and obviously asking for forgivness. She should be commended for that. God accepts your apology if you are truly sorry.

It's the most depressing book I've ever read. If you follow the link, you can search inside the book. You'll be amazed at the names in the table of contents.

BTW, your story about your aunt and your cousin made me think. My first reaction was, I could understand where your aunt was coming from, and while I'm pro-life and don't condone abortion, I can see why she did what she did. Your cousin's situation, OTOH, seemed very different to me, and if she'd had an abortion, I would have felt much more harshly toward her. My point is, there is no way you can or should ask the government to decide which abortions are okay and which aren't. We've even seen disagreements here over abortion in the case of rape, which is normally kind of a gimme. I'd be happy if there was never another abortion ever again, but I don't believe it should be illegal, either. I'm not the one who is going to have to answer to God for another woman's decision. (And if you don't believe in God, it's definitely none of my business.)

677 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:10:47pm

re: #549 razorbacker No, that was Sam Houston State U in Huntsville.

678 TheMatrix31  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:10:49pm

Obama Official On Leave After FBI Raid

lol

679 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:10:56pm

re: #670 avanti

Yep, it's drafting

Thanks!

680 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:11:09pm

Good. I hope the GOP continues to degrade from within. I think that's what it richly deserves for being anti-science, pro-war, and anti-choice. It's my sincere hope that the evanglicals take over the party in 2012 and run Jindal on a ticket that seeks to criminalize women seeking abortion for ANY REASON. The more extreme the gop goes the better. I want to see them sink.

It's also my hope that the current administration does the same for the Democratic Party. A lot can happen in four years.

681 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:11:10pm

re: #672 Boxy_brown

Put him in the sack and tossed him off a bridge. ;-)

Got to split.

My way hurts more, but he will survive to warn his friends.

682 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:11:43pm

re: #671 HoosierHoops

Ha! I was gonna say something to that effect but truth be told, they'd still get "eaten".

/Bad Behemoth! BAD!

683 Soona'  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:12:18pm

re: #667 LGoPs

LOL. I used to hate Beef and Boulders (Potatoes) - old C-Rats.

When I was in the service, C-ration ham and lima beans were called ham and motherfuckers.

684 Westward Ho  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:12:30pm

re: #636 doppelganglander


The Choices We Made: Twenty-Five Women and Men Speak Out About Abortion by Gloria Steinem and Angela Bonavoglia

Whoopi Goldberg had nine. I hope your aunt has found peace -- it's amazing how someone's heart can change.

Whoopi is an evil ****. I can understand one or two but to have so many in a civilization that gives you the means to avoid them totally - it's fucking incomprehensible.

685 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:12:34pm

re: #32 redstateredneck

My father was partial to squirrel brains scrambled with some eggs. Gotta have a mess of squirrels to get a good sized portion, though.

I would think so. They have teeny little heads.

686 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:12:49pm

Just in case any of my fellow lizards are interested I thought I would explain the Jewish view on the abortion issue.

First off, I should be careful about what I mean byt "the Jewish view." I mean the halachic (as in traditional Jewish law) view. Reform and Conservative Jews tend to be pretty pro-chioce and those that aren't pro-choice feel that way for their own personal convictions.

In general, all things have a caveat.

The first thing to mention is that for a number of reasons, Tradition is that the soul attaches to a baby at the age of 40 days. Before that mark, abortion is not seen as a nothing, but it in a much less grey area as to permissability. There are those who would push that back a little and say the threshold is when the fetus has a heartbeat for other halachic reasons (specifically that a person's death is traditionally defined as the heart is not beating and won't come back, though that has been extended to brain death). In either case, we are talking about something early to midway in the first trimester.

After 40 days, or heartbeat, abortion is frowned upon but permissable in the case that the baby is threatening the life of the mother. This is learned from the verse that says if you see one person pursuing the life of another, you must stop the pursuer even unto the point of lethal force. In the case of a medical emergency, the baby is seen (legally) as pursuing the life of the mother.

The mother can not say "let me die" because suicide is forbidden. Though, she could refuse treatment.

Now, this itself is a grey zone. Different rabbis will look at "pursuing the life of the mother" in either a very broad or a very narrow scope. Some would only put it in terms of an immediately life threatening situation. Many would extend the principle to rape, the idea being that being forced to carry a rapist's baby might threaten the mental and spiritual "life" of the mother. Others would extend the idea even further to include family hardships and other considerations, but no rabbi in the observant world would say "sure fine, whenever she feels like it is OK" after the threshold is passed.

Now as a final part, if there is a difficult labor that threatens the mother (which with modern medicine and ceasarian section) is less likely, and the baby is coming into the world and any bit of him or her is "poking out" the question becomes, who is pursuing whom? At that point, you can not kill the baby intentionally to save the mother.

Anyway, I thought I would weigh in on that in case anyone was curious.

687 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:13:14pm

re: #678 TheMatrix31

Obama Official On Leave After FBI Raid

lol

That was fast. Usually they go through at least a few days of denial that they had anything at all to do with it.

688 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:13:26pm

OK Lizardim -

Anyone who has followed my posts is aware that I was an supporter of Michael Steele for RNC Chairman - The Michael Steele of 2006, a Proud Black Conservative, former Lt. Gov. of MD, "Up By Bootstraps" if you will - Which He Is.
I am wondering - "What Happened" - as I am sure many are. That is all.

-S-

689 LGoPs  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:14:39pm

re: #683 Soona'

When I was in the service, C-ration ham and lima beans were called ham and motherfuckers.

I heard about them but never had them. By the time I was in we only had Ham and Egg....which most guys hated but I acquired a taste for. Plus it came with a 'consolation prize' of a pound cake or canned pears or peaches. I think the packers felt bad for whoever drew this ration.......
:)

690 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:14:53pm

re: #688 Dr. Shalit

OK Lizardim -

Anyone who has followed my posts is aware that I was an supporter of Michael Steele for RNC Chairman - The Michael Steele of 2006, a Proud Black Conservative, former Lt. Gov. of MD, "Up By Bootstraps" if you will - Which He Is.
I am wondering - "What Happened" - as I am sure many are. That is all.

-S-

I think that, like Obama, he has found the Big Pond a bit different than his expectations. I am hoping *both* recover.

691 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:15:08pm

re: #680 eclectic infidel

Good. I hope the GOP continues to degrade from within. I think that's what it richly deserves for being anti-science, pro-war, and anti-choice. It's my sincere hope that the evanglicals take over the party in 2012 and run Jindal on a ticket that seeks to criminalize women seeking abortion for ANY REASON. The more extreme the gop goes the better. I want to see them sink.

It's also my hope that the current administration does the same for the Democratic Party. A lot can happen in four years.

So I'm thinking that you are "fucking happy that you didn't vote for McCain because he wasn't conservative enough."

692 razorbacker  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:15:15pm

re: #677 Jim in Virginia

No, that was Sam Houston State U in Huntsville.

I called on Cummins Prison Farm, back in the day.

When transferred to TX, I called on Huntsville.

Cummins was bad, but Huntsville scared me.

But neither was as scarey as calling on the women's prisons. Some of those girls had graduated from sugar and spice a long time ago.

693 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:15:23pm

re: #678 TheMatrix31

Obama Official On Leave After FBI Raid

lol

I read on an earlier thread that he's not a suspect in the investigation.
That said, there's this tidbit at the end of that article:

Even as the raid was taking place, Kundra was giving a speech at FOSE, an annual government technology expo. Kundra said part of his focus is to change the way the government buys technologies from vendors.

694 Digital Display  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:15:35pm

re: #682 Slumbering Behemoth

Ha! I was gonna say something to that effect but truth be told, they'd still get "eaten".

/Bad Behemoth! BAD!

LOL
I now get it! And you are right..If you are on an Island with Mary ann and Ginger..Why would you need to choose?
Maybe buzzsaw can do the screen play...I'd pay to see the movie.

695 UberInfidel67  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:15:39pm

re: #676 doppelganglander
I agree with you 100%. It is a personal decision. As for God, SHE will have to work it out with Him. I believe it is her mortal soul she put in peril, therefore it is between her and God. And the bullshit with my cousin? What a lame fucking excuse. My sis has been married twice...both were black. Her daughter is mixed. Her grandkids are black. No one in the family gives a damn or treats any of them differently. Lame lame lame! Maybe if it was still OK to teach our kids morals and values, they would end up knocked up constantly. But then again, like I said to Zombie, I would bet there are more abortions among selfish women than there are among your average knocked up teen.

696 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:16:09pm

re: #694 HoosierHoops

LOL
I now get it! And you are right..If you are on an Island with Mary ann and Ginger..Why would you need to choose?
Maybe buzzsaw can do the screen play...I'd pay to see the movie.

Hey, why would they need to choose YOU, hmmmmm?

NTTAWWT.

697 bulwrk  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:16:57pm

re: #678 TheMatrix31

President Dumpster Fire

698 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:17:08pm

re: #680 eclectic infidel

eclectic infidel -

Are all 'y'all an "OWL"/New Whig - the party for the rest of us - perhaps right and perhaps the "FESTIVUS" of US Politics? Just wondering.

-S-

699 screaming_eagle  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:17:32pm

re: #689 LGoPs

I heard about them but never had them. By the time I was in we only had Ham and Egg....which most guys hated but I acquired a taste for. Plus it came with a 'consolation prize' of a pound cake or canned pears or peaches. I think the packers felt bad for whoever drew this ration.......
:)

LMAO. Meatballs,Beef and Rice in BBQ sauce had M+M's in it. Same story, different era.

700 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:18:11pm

re: #689 LGoPs

I heard about them but never had them. By the time I was in we only had Ham and Egg....which most guys hated but I acquired a taste for. Plus it came with a 'consolation prize' of a pound cake or canned pears or peaches. I think the packers felt bad for whoever drew this ration.......
:)

Those pound cakes were as good as gold.

701 apachegunner  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:18:19pm

re: #688 Dr. Shalit

OK Lizardim -

Anyone who has followed my posts is aware that I was an supporter of Michael Steele for RNC Chairman - The Michael Steele of 2006, a Proud Black Conservative, former Lt. Gov. of MD, "Up By Bootstraps" if you will - Which He Is.
I am wondering - "What Happened" - as I am sure many are. That is all.

-S-

He is not the Michael Steel I knew

702 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:18:23pm

re: #680 eclectic infidel

All right, who let the Kossack in?

GAZE

703 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:18:52pm

re: #694 HoosierHoops

I guarantee you that film wouldn't get a rating lower than NC-17.

704 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:18:52pm

re: #699 screaming_eagle

LMAO. Meatballs,Beef and Rice in BBQ sauce had M+M's in it. Same story, different era.

I was never in the military, but Dad used to bring home the lightly expired K-rats from the pilot's survival kits. Chick-o-Stix and the occasional Korean-War era canned fruitcake!

705 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:19:04pm

re: #690 OldLineTexan

I think that, like Obama, he has found the Big Pond a bit different than his expectations. I am hoping *both* recover.

"OLT" -

Agreed - Michael Steele for the GOP, Pres. Obama, more importantly, for the REPUBLIC. That is all.

-S-

706 UberInfidel67  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:19:41pm

BRB...need some "mixer" from the store. lol

707 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:19:59pm

re: #705 Dr. Shalit

"OLT" -

Agreed - Michael Steele for the GOP, Pres. Obama, more importantly, for the REPUBLIC. That is all.

-S-

Dr. S, you are a wise man.

And with that, I have petty responsibilities to pursue. Later, lizards.

708 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:21:24pm

re: #659 UberInfidel67

I remember one episode of Bizarre Foods when he was eating these little bugs from south America. I looked and looked, and then googled the named...here they were the fucking stink bugs that are invading houses around here! So do I kill them or eat them? *YUK*

Andrew Zimmern will eat almost anything, though when he tried khlea (spiced preserved meat cooked with scrambled eggs) in Morocco, I thought he was gonna lose it...

;-P

709 Gus  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:21:42pm

Some rather interesting connections to Tony Perkins who commented on Michael Steele as noted above.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

710 razorbacker  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:22:13pm

Man o man. I see that enough time has passed that the Epilady is back under a different name (Wizzit).

Expect another crop of disappointed womyns.

711 MJBrutus  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:23:24pm

You caved on the stupid Rush flap. Don't knuckle under this time Michael. Show some balls and tell the single-issue, fuck the country to save the embryos, hard-core, in your face bible bleaters to fuck off and die.

What's killing (or is that past tense?) our party is the allegiance to the anti-abortion crowd. I'm sorry, but that's just the plain-spoken truth. I cannot tell you how often I hear people who would be open to or even support conservative ideas refuse to consider voting for a Republican because the party has been captured by dogmatic zealots. I don't give a flying jump about the issue, but I care greatly that we have allowed it to dominate the idea-space of so much of our body politic. I deplore the damage that we have done to conservatism by striking this bargain with the pious, devout devils who won't shut up.

I've got my flame retardant undies on, and can take the heat from the self-appointed "right to life, "culture of life," "blah blah blah of life" crowd who wants to fire back.

712 horse  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:23:32pm

re: #176 Ward Cleaver

The DNC definitely isn't a big tent.

No, but it has the biggest presents!

Fine print on present's card voters never read:

all presents provided as is and without warranty, the word present does not imply "free", future payment due at time to be determined, nonacceptance of present does not alleviate voter from payment obligation
713 bulwrk  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:24:02pm

re: #704 OldLineTexan

Dear Lord you didn't eat government fruit cake did you?

714 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:24:08pm

re: #692 razorbacker Huntsville worse than Tucker and Cummins? Hard to believe.

715 LGoPs  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:24:59pm

re: #699 screaming_eagle

LMAO. Meatballs,Beef and Rice in BBQ sauce had M+M's in it. Same story, different era.

When the army transitioned to MRE's around '84 or '85 some of them would come with a fudge Brownie. We called them track pads and some of us, me included, considered them to be a hostile act........

716 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:25:32pm

re: #710 razorbacker

Man o man. I see that enough time has passed that the Epilady is back under a different name (Wizzit).

Expect another crop of disappointed womyns.

Mrs. Hawk told me the story of having to rescue a friend that tried to use the epilady to trim her bikini line.
Such are the things that best friends do for one another.
/While trying not to laugh too hard.

717 razorbacker  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:26:01pm

re: #714 Jim in Virginia

Prolly just because I didn't know as many people in there. You know how it is, you can be comfortable 'bout near anywhere, as long as you have friends and family around.

718 Digital Display  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:26:02pm

re: #712 horse

Never seen you before..Welcome..
Regards

719 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:26:13pm

the Dow finished up another 240+....I'm rich again!

720 Harry Tuttle  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:26:13pm

re: #84 Killgore Trout

It seems to me that conservatives are yearning for a populist bomb thrower type. Somebody with outrageous politically impossible rhetoric that will pander to the party's dogma. I'd rather see a return to nuts and bolts practical solutions to real world problems.

Fair enough.

I think we need someone who can stick to conservative principles and make the case effectively but loudly and clearly. I don't think this is what we are seeing from Steele. No we do not need a bombastic Coulter and yes I will agree she and Rush share that trait to some degree.

Limited government, conservative economic policy and strong natl defense, that is all.

I think we are talking about the same thing.

721 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:26:32pm

re: #711 MJBrutus

I've got my flame retardant undies on, and can take the heat ....

I've got your back. See my #492 pre-Boomer Marine brat

722 Van Helsing  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:26:51pm

re: #712 horse

re: #176 Ward Cleaver

The DNC definitely isn't a big tent.

No, but it has the biggest presents!

Fine print on present's card voters never read:

all presents provided as is and without warranty, the word present does not imply "free", future payment due at time to be determined, nonacceptance of present does not alleviate voter from payment obligation


Huh. Sounds like the disclaimer on a contract some guy named Lou Cypher wanted me to sign.

723 Killian Bundy  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:27:04pm

Ya can't make it up: House praises pi

With the world swirling about it, the House took a moment Thursday to honor pi, the Greek letter symbolizing that great constant in mathematics representing the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter.

An irrational number that has been calculated to more than 1 trillion digits, pi is a concept not totally foreign to today’s Washington. But in this case, the goal was to promote efforts by the National Science Foundation to improve math education in the United States, especially in the critical fourth to eighth grades.

Rounded off, pi equates to 3.14, hence the designation of March 14 as Pi Day under the resolution. Informal celebrations have been held around the country for at least 20 years, but Thursday’s 391-10 vote is the first time Congress has joined the party.

“I’m kind of geeked up about it,” Rep. Brian Baird (D-Wash.) told POLITICO. “It’s crazy, but I’m a whole lot more excited about that than congratulating the winner of last year’s Rose Bowl.

“I’m not making this up. I have been fascinated by pi since I was a kid. It blows my mind. It’s lovely. The fact that it’s sort of this infinite number. I just think it’s this magical thing. ... There’s a real beauty to mathematics.”

Engineering and technology companies backed the effort, and like most things in the House, there’s a San Francisco angle. Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) has pressed hard for Congress to do more to promote science, and the San Francisco Exploratorium, in her home city, takes credit for the first Pi Day celebration in 1988, with staff and public marching around one of its circular spaces and then consuming fruit pies.

/hey whatever keeps 'em distracted from wasting more money

724 Van Helsing  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:28:28pm

re: #723 Killian Bundy

Congress praising an irrational number. I'm not surprised.

725 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:28:40pm

re: #723 Killian Bundy

give me your Pi

726 LGoPs  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:28:58pm

BBIAM

727 screaming_eagle  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:29:38pm

re: #715 LGoPs

When the army transitioned to MRE's around '84 or '85 some of them would come with a fudge Brownie. We called them track pads and some of us, me included, considered them to be a hostile act........

Yeh, those first generation MRE's had some nasty stuff. The second ingredient in orange cake was orange peels.

728 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:29:59pm

re: #723 Killian Bundy

Ya can't make it up: House praises pi


/hey whatever keeps 'em distracted from wasting more money


They are hoping it will keep you distracted from their waste of more money.

729 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:30:12pm

re: #723 Killian Bundy

Ya can't make it up: House praises pi

/hey whatever keeps 'em distracted from wasting more money

Well, well ... I guess they just re-defined the concept of the Congressional Pie Hole.

730 SFGoth  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:31:21pm

re: #727 screaming_eagle

Yeh, those first generation MRE's had some nasty stuff. The second ingredient in orange cake was orange peels.

Chicken ala King was pretty good. The patties were weapons though.

731 razorbacker  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:31:30pm

Congress honoring pi?

Why not? Those goobers are comfortable around numbers that run on to infinity. Doesn't scare them at all.

Look at the deficit.

732 Harry Tuttle  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:31:46pm

re: #728 ludwigvanquixote

They are hoping it will keep you distracted from their waste of more money.

I like Levins suggestion; Congress can only be in session 6 months of the year for two days per week.

733 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:31:48pm

re: #727 screaming_eagle

Yeh, those first generation MRE's had some nasty stuff. The second ingredient in orange cake was orange peels.


That which does not kill us... I honestly have to say this is where I loved the Navy... better food, fight in airconditioning and die with clean underwear on!

////

734 UberInfidel67  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:32:08pm

re: #708 talon_262
I love watching him. He does eat some crazy shit though. One time, in Japan maybe, he had a full plate of random penii. lol

735 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:32:24pm

re: #727 screaming_eagle

Yeh, those first generation MRE's had some nasty stuff. The second ingredient in orange cake was orange peels.

I particularly liked the warning that we received shortly after they were first issued, that we should not drink the water that we used to boil the food packs in.

736 Gus  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:32:56pm

re: #711 MJBrutus

I'd be curious to see the reaction if Steele spoke out against teaching Young Earth Creationism (creationism, ID, eieio) in schools and upholding the Establishment Clause.

737 screaming_eagle  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:33:29pm

re: #730 SFGoth

Chicken ala King was pretty good. The patties were weapons though.

I use to hate that one. Several months of looking at sand changed that, just dump in cheese and crackers.

738 horse  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:33:50pm

re: #718 HoosierHoops

Never seen you before..Welcome..
Regards

Thank you for the welcome. Long time reader, was able to finally join this rough and rowdy crowd a couple months ago. Got my butt kicked the first few posts, and then I learned to be much more careful with my words so as not to be misunderstood :)

739 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:33:55pm

re: #704 OldLineTexan

I was never in the military, but Dad used to bring home the lightly expired K-rats from the pilot's survival kits. Chick-o-Stix and the occasional Korean-War era canned fruitcake!

"OLT" -

My Dad was Army/Civilian - Signal Corps. I learned color photography using expired Ektachrome, so I feel you on this one. Even bought the cartridges when the expired stuff was "bulk." Free or almost Free Film was a big help at the time. Even did my own "E-6" processing in "the day" along with "D-76" - Thought Microdol X was a waste comparatively - normal and "Pushed." That is all.

-S-

740 Pietr  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:34:30pm

OT, Fellow Lizards-but the subject came up (on the Overnight thread)about the TV MEETING Glenn Beck has planned for Friday, March 13th. Anyone interested should go to the Glenn Beck site, and click 'Meetup' to get their local information. This is part of his 'we surround them' theme, and he'll be 'on air' meeting with various groups opposing the socialism of America (at least that's my understanding). My wifes W. Pa. relatives are supposed to be on, so I'll obviously be watching-and try to report my impressions afterward. If you're interested, watch, or record it for later.

CHEERS

Pietr

741 Digital Display  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:34:35pm

re: #725 albusteve

give me your Pi

Good story about PI day..
[Link: www.sfgate.com...]

742 Westward Ho  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:34:45pm

re: #711 MJBrutus

Hear, Hear!

743 Neutral President  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:34:55pm

π does not need praising. It Just is...

744 markx  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:35:20pm
Ed Rendell thinks Steele is toast.

RACIST!

745 Pietr  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:36:10pm

re: #700 CyanSnowHawk

Those pound cakes were as good as gold.

And weighed almost like gold-but they were filling.

746 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:36:42pm

re: #741 HoosierHoops

Good story about PI day..
[Link: www.sfgate.com...]

the Prince of pi....heh...that ices it

747 screaming_eagle  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:38:40pm

re: #738 horse

Nice avatar

748 MJBrutus  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:39:32pm

re: #742 Westward Ho

Hear, Hear!

Thanks man. I feel like those of us conservatives who care about this country's economic well-being, adherence to our founding principles and documents and national security are shouting in to the wind. What will it take for us to be heard?

749 Digital Display  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:39:53pm

re: #746 albusteve

the Prince of pi....heh...that ices it

There is no zero in the first 31 digits of pi.

-- The pi memory champion is Hiroyoki Gotu, who memorized an amazing 42,000 digits.

-- Here's a pi poem:

Three point one four one five nine two

It's been around forever - it's not new

It appears everywhere in here and in there

It's irrational I know but it's true!

cool stuff

750 Cheechako  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:40:15pm

re: #745 Pietr

And weighed almost like gold-but they were filling.


I have saved one c-rat can of pound cake. I wonder if's it's still good.

751 vxbush  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:41:19pm

re: #749 HoosierHoops

There is no zero in the first 31 digits of pi.

-- The pi memory champion is Hiroyoki Gotu, who memorized an amazing 42,000 digits.

-- Here's a pi poem:

Three point one four one five nine two

It's been around forever - it's not new

It appears everywhere in here and in there

It's irrational I know but it's true!

cool stuff

I had to prove it was transcendental in a number theory class years ago. I don't remember the proof.

752 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:41:23pm

octopus is delicious....mmmmm

Youtube Video
753 itellu3times  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:41:46pm

re: #723 Killian Bundy

House praises pi

But what are they *doing* about it?

Don't they realize this is an irrational number? Surely we don't want such things taught to innocent chillen. Is this another religous crusade masquerading as science? I've had just about enough of that!

Maybe if they voted to make it a rational number, we could put this long national nightmare behind us.
/

754 Soona'  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:42:15pm

re: #750 Cheechako

I have saved one c-rat can of pound cake. I wonder if's it's still good.

How old is it?

755 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:42:50pm

re: #749 HoosierHoops Good doggerel always deserves an upding.

756 Van Helsing  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:42:53pm

re: #754 Soona'

How old is it?

I'm not sure it was ever 'good'.

757 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:42:57pm

re: #753 itellu3times

But what are they *doing* about it?

Don't they realize this is an irrational number? Surely we don't want such things taught to innocent chillen. Is this another religous crusade masquerading as science? I've had just about enough of that!

Maybe if they voted to make it a rational number, we could put this long national nightmare behind us.
/


There were those in the ID crowd who missunderstood a verse in Kings and tried to legislate it was 3 exactly by law.

758 Cheechako  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:43:26pm

re: #754 Soona'

How old is it?

Over 30 years....I think.

759 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:44:05pm

re: #757 ludwigvanquixote

There were those in the ID crowd who missunderstood a verse in Kings and tried to legislate it was 3 exactly by law.

*gasp*
REALLY?!?!

760 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:44:57pm

re: #749 HoosierHoops

When I try to remember pi past 1.1415, I start reciting my bank account number. I'm pretty sure that's not it.

761 BignJames  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:45:42pm

re: #758 Cheechako

Over 30 years....I think.

Some cool whip and strawberries....should be good to go.

762 Soona'  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:45:43pm

re: #758 Cheechako

Over 30 years....I think.

Then it'll be as good as it was 10 years ago. :p

763 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:46:15pm

watch what you say...the pi police are here

764 Westward Ho  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:46:39pm

From abortion to Pi - Viva LGF

765 screaming_eagle  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:47:17pm

re: #763 albusteve

watch what you say...the pi police are here

is the sentence i?

766 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:47:26pm

re: #750 Cheechako

I have saved one c-rat can of pound cake. I wonder if's it's still good.


When I was in college we did an experiment with twinkies.

We had a control twinkie. We had one that we just "left out" in a box and carefull weighed each month. We had one that we put a live mold culture on and another tha we put a live bacteria culture on.

The twinkies killed the mold and the bacteria. After mass analysis (weighing) of the in the box twinkie, we determined after one year, that the half life of a twinkie is about 11,000 years.

The pound cake, if dry, is likely indistinguishable from fresh.

The

767 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:48:14pm

BO can't make up his mind...he is everything to everyone


[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

768 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:48:20pm

re: #760 doppelganglander

When I try to remember pi past 1.1415, I start reciting my bank account number. I'm pretty sure that's not it.

Recite it and I'll tell you if you are right or if that's your account numbers :)

769 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:50:16pm

re: #759 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*gasp*
REALLY?!?!


I would not make such a thing up.

In kings, the Basin of the Temple was pointed out to have a ratio of circumference to diameter of three exactly. The King James biblical literalists took this to mean that Pi is 3 exactly. It never occured to them that the ancient Jews knew that Pi was not exactly three and that the idea was that this was one of the miracles of the Temple - i.e. something to make you think that there was something extra special and supernatural going on.

770 Cheechako  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:50:18pm

I also liked the soda crackers that came in c-rats. I did feed some to a horse one time and the horse died the next day.

771 Luigi  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:50:35pm

Turkey's battles with Islamic creationists continue


The battle between science and its enemies is hotting up in Turkey. This week the editor of the excellent popular science magazine, Bilim ve Teknik (Science and Technology) published by the Turkish national science council TUBITAK, was reportedly sacked, and its planned cover feature celebrating this year's Darwin anniversary pulled, to be replaced by one on global warming.

That is ironic considering global warming is another well-established bit of science often derided by many of the same people with doubts about evolution. But it is not surprising. Like their colleagues everywhere, Turkish scientists have organised celebrations of Darwin's 200th birthday.

But they have run real risks doing so.

Turkey is the Muslim world's centre of creationism

772 Killian Bundy  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:50:38pm

H. RES. 224


RESOLUTION
Supporting the designation of Pi Day, and for other purposes.

Whereas the Greek letter (Pi) is the symbol for the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter;

Whereas the ratio Pi is an irrational number, which will continue infinitely without repeating, and has been calculated to over one trillion digits;

Whereas Pi is a recurring constant that has been studied throughout history and is central in mathematics as well as science and engineering;

Whereas mathematics and science are a critical part of our children's education, and children who perform better in math and science have higher graduation and college attendance rates;

Whereas aptitude in mathematics, science, and engineering is essential for a knowledge-based society;

Whereas, according to the 2007 Trends in International Mathematics and Science Study (TIMSS) survey done by the National Center for Education Statistics, American children in the 4th and 8th grade were outperformed by students in other countries including Taiwan, Singapore, Russia, England, South Korea, Latvia, and Japan;

Whereas since 1995 the United States has shown only minimal improvement in math and science test scores;

Whereas by the 8th grade, American males outperform females on the science portion of the TIMSS survey, especially in Biology, Physics, and Earth Science, and the lowest American scores in math and science are found in minority and impoverished school districts;

Whereas America needs to reinforce mathematics and science education for all students in order to better prepare our children for the future and in order to compete in a 21st Century economy;

Whereas the National Science Foundation has been driving innovation in math and science education at all levels from elementary through graduate education since its creation 59 years ago;

Whereas mathematics and science can be a fun and interesting part of a child's education, and learning about Pi can be an engaging way to teach children about geometry and attract them to study science and mathematics; and

Whereas Pi can be approximated as 3.14, and thus March 14, 2009, is an appropriate day for `National Pi Day': Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That the House of Representatives--

(1) supports the designation of a `Pi Day' and its celebration around the world;

(2) recognizes the continuing importance of National Science Foundation's math and science education programs; and

(3) encourages schools and educators to observe the day with appropriate activities that teach students about Pi and engage them about the study of mathematics.

/ruh roh, I smell billions more in additional money wasting about to be thrown into the teacher's unions gaping maw

773 jcm  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:50:55pm

Afternoon and Evening Honcos.

Check out the picture of WAB on Drudge..... center column half way down.

774 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:51:04pm

re: #768 Walter L. Newton

Recite it and I'll tell you if you are right or if that's your account numbers :)

You should have Maisey do something useful.
Teach her your PIN numbers.

/ ... :D

775 nyc redneck  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:51:22pm

pound cake:

1lb. of flour
1lb of sugar
1lb of eggs
1lb. of butter.

pretty easy and quite good.
and of course why it's called pound cake.

776 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:51:36pm

re: #767 albusteve

BO can't make up his mind...he is everything to everyone

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

these people are truly fucked up...yesterday Pelosi threatened another massive spendothon...today she retracts it....insanity

777 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:51:38pm

re: #770 Cheechako

I also liked the soda crackers that came in c-rats. I did feed some to a horse one time and the horse died the next day.

Really?

778 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:52:12pm

re: #768 Walter L. Newton

Recite it and I'll tell you if you are right or if that's your account numbers :)

Good try. I also realized after I posted it's 3.1415... I am so not mathematically inclined.

779 Pietr  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:52:35pm

re: #758 Cheechako

Over 30 years....I think.

Look up C-rats on Wiki....I believe you'll find they haven't made any since the 50's....so your estimate of age is probably short by 1/2.....:>))

780 Soona'  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:52:37pm

re: #770 Cheechako

I also liked the soda crackers that came in c-rats. I did feed some to a horse one time and the horse died the next day.

In Vietnam, we called c-ration ham and lima beans; ham and motherfuckers.

781 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:52:38pm

re: #769 ludwigvanquixote

Interesting!
Thanks!

782 vxbush  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:52:41pm

re: #768 Walter L. Newton

Recite it and I'll tell you if you are right or if that's your account numbers :)

I always liked how Carl Sagan used pi in Contact and implied that there was a circle imbedded in the digital representation of the number...

783 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:52:50pm

re: #666 Boxy_brown

An old roommate used to go on and on about the whole "lowered expectation" thing. One someone believes that they are forever doing you a favor they are just as much of a bigot as mr sack on the head (even though they think they are being enlightened in some way) They have the potential to do more damage than a more obvious idiot.

Obama supporter: Aw, hell the black guy has no experience, questionable associates, goes back on his promise re: campaign financing, he is a socialist but ya know blacks really need this and this country is so racist. I am going for Obama. He is a great orator.

784 albusteve  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:53:46pm

re: #773 jcm

Afternoon and Evening Honcos.

Check out the picture of WAB on Drudge..... center column half way down.

it's a MASK!....how cheezy

785 KansasMom  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:54:32pm

re: #760 doppelganglander

When I try to remember pi past 1.1415, I start reciting my bank account number. I'm pretty sure that's not it.

I'm sorry, but 1.1415 gave me a chuckle....

I graduated from WPI, and this is the school cheer:

E to the X; D-Y, D-X
E to the X; D-X
Cosine, Secant, Tangent, Sine; 3.14159
E-I, Radical, Pi; Fight ’em, Fight ’em, WPI!

Nerdy, but true.

786 Cato the Elder  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:54:34pm

Don't like abortion? Don't have one.

787 razorbacker  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:55:14pm

From Glenn's joint.

Obama is not Jesus. Jesus could build a cabinet.

788 UberInfidel67  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:57:03pm

OMG. I wrote a letter to Bob Casey about bringing Gitmo detainees to American soil. He just doesn't get it:

His response:

Dear Ms. xxxxxxxxxxxx

Thank you for taking the time to contact me regarding the planned closure of the Guantanamo Bay military detention facility. I appreciate hearing from all Pennsylvanians about the issues that matter most to them.

On his second day in office, President Obama signed an executive order to close the Guantanamo Bay detention facility for suspected terrorists within one year. Furthermore, all military commission trials have been suspended pending a 120-day review. With approximately 245 detainees still being held at the Guantanamo facility, a thorough review is needed that assesses the security implications of trying detainees within the U.S. judicial system, transferring them to U.S. military prisons or extraditing them to other countries.

Reports indicate that four military prisons -- in Kansas, California, South Carolina and Colorado -- have been mentioned as potential sites to hold detainees upon closure of the Guantanamo Bay facility. We have no reason to believe that detainees will be transferred to Pennsylvania since the Department of Defense does not operate a military prison in the state.

As your United States Senator, I believe in a firm commitment to upholding our laws and values and that any change in U.S. detainee policy must be transparent, credible and protect the American people. I am pleased that President Obama has established a task force to comprehensively review U.S. detainee policy. Please be assured that I will carefully examine the executive order closing the facility as well as any new policy that comes out of the current review process.

Again, thank you for sharing your thoughts with me. Please do not hesitate to contact me in the future about this or any other matter of importance to you.

If you have access to the Internet, I encourage you to visit my web site, [Link: casey.senate.gov....] I invite you to use this online office as a comprehensive resource to stay up-to-date on my work in Washington, request assistance from my office or share with me your thoughts on the issues that matter most to you and to Pennsylvania.

Sincerely,
Bob Casey
United States Senator

MY response to this:
Sir, I am not just concerned with them being released in PA. I don't want them release in the United States of America at all! Just look at how many have already been released and returned to their evil ways. KEEP THEM OUT OF THE UNITED STATES! Ship them back home where they can bask in the glories of sharia law and barbarism. That is what they want. Why should the "Great Satan" offer them anything but a trip home to the fabulous paradise from which they came? NO GITMO DETAINEES IN THE US. PERIOD.

789 opinionated  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:57:44pm

Obama- let me repeat that for Republicans who must have been sleeping for the past twelve months- Obama- O - B - A- M- A- is President.

And the long knifes are still out for someone who dares express a legitimate opinion that the personal issue of Abortion is for the effected people involved to decide.

Given a choice between Obama and a pro-choice Republican President who would Tony Perkins choose?

I'm sick of these people.

God save the US and give us a rational Third Party.

790 Cheechako  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:59:07pm

re: #777 Dark_Falcon

Really?


Yah. In my younger days I was a wildland fire-fighter. One day I rode a horse to a fire about 10 miles into the wilderness. I was preparing to leave and had a half dozen soda crackers in my shirt pocket. The horse kept nuzzeling the pocket so I fed him the crackers. Rode the horse home and put him in a corral with some hay and grain. The next morning I went out to the corral and the horse was dead. It was an old horse. Never told anyone about the soda crackers.

791 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 5:01:24pm

Indiani Pi bill introduced (not passed) in 1897 included the claim that pi=3.2.
There is a recurring story that the Arkansas legislature once defined pi as 22/7. I've not seen any proof.

792 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 5:03:29pm

re: #786 Cato the Elder

Don't like abortion? Don't have one.


I have to agree for the most part. If you see my upstairs thread on the Jewish take on abortion, you know my personal views. However, as a political issue, it is destroying the GOP.

One of the things that gets me about all of this abortion stuff is how hollow it is politically. What I mean by that is that the only possible way that abortion could matter in an election is when it comes to a president appointing Supreme Court justices.

Yet, the issue gets spammed all over the place. It is not, politically, a real issue since it is not something that a congressman or a senator can affect - and frankly not even something the president can directly effect.

The only reason it is brought up is as a way to say to the religious right - "hey, we Republicans share your values" without actually promising to do anything, because they can't.

This has been a political charade for some time now, only now it really is going to backfire on the GOP. The fact is that even in the Bible Belt, many will say whatever about being pro-life publicly, but know full well what they would want to happen privately if their teen daughter or girlfriend got pregnant. The average American simply does not want Roe vs. Wade overturned, and honestly, neither do I - and I assure you that I am not a lefty.

793 Gus  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 5:04:41pm

Tony Perkins involved in Lousiana intelligent design, Louisiana, Jindal fiasco:

From Panda's Thumb: Help Louisiana

Found the following in the comments.

This thing started out in the Senate as a bill to guarantee the academic freedom of K-12 teachers, and students, in the public schools. [“Academic freedom” in a kindergarten class?] The principal supporters in committe were creationists from the Louisiana Family Forum (Tony Perkins’ group, before he left La for DC and the Family Research Council)...

794 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 5:05:08pm

re: #785 KansasMom

Originated at MIT. Also used at Rice.
Correctly, it's "tangent secant cosine sine".
Or maybe "secant tangent cosine sine".

795 Mirage  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 5:07:22pm

re: #766 ludwigvanquixote

When I was in college we did an experiment with twinkies.

We had a control twinkie. We had one that we just "left out" in a box and carefull weighed each month. We had one that we put a live mold culture on and another tha we put a live bacteria culture on.

The twinkies killed the mold and the bacteria. After mass analysis (weighing) of the in the box twinkie, we determined after one year, that the half life of a twinkie is about 11,000 years.

The pound cake, if dry, is likely indistinguishable from fresh.

The

[Link: twinkiesproject.com...] (Some people that had some fun with Twinkies)

796 jcm  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 5:09:57pm

re: #794 Jim in Virginia

Originated at MIT. Also used at Rice.
Correctly, it's "tangent secant cosine sine".
Or maybe "secant tangent cosine sine".

SOHCAHTOA

797 KansasMom  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 5:10:17pm

re: #794 Jim in Virginia

Originated at MIT. Also used at Rice.
Correctly, it's "tangent secant cosine sine".
Or maybe "secant tangent cosine sine".

I refuse to believe such rubbish.

/actually a quick online search revealed several potential sources....and I thought it was unique to WPI. grumble....

798 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 5:10:54pm

re: #793 Gus 802

Tony Perkins involved in Lousiana intelligent design, Louisiana, Jindal fiasco:

From Panda's Thumb: Help Louisiana

Found the following in the comments.

Well, if his name is Tony Perkins then I guess we should cut him so slack. After all, "We all go a little mad sometimes". :D

799 debutaunt  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 5:12:04pm

re: #787 razorbacker

From Glenn's joint.

Obama is not Jesus. Jesus could build a cabinet.

haahhaahahahhahahahahahahahaa

800 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 5:12:36pm

re: #795 Mirage

[Link: twinkiesproject.com...] (Some people that had some fun with Twinkies)

Awesome link!

801 Gus  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 5:12:49pm

re: #798 Dark_Falcon

Well, if his name is Tony Perkins then I guess we should cut him so slack. After all, "We all go a little mad sometimes". :D

I know I keep thinking about that while I'm searching.

/Rit rit rit rit!

802 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 5:14:41pm

re: #796 jcm

SOHCAHTOA

RU/18 QTPi ? was my fav.

803 dapperdave  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 5:15:47pm

In this country not so long ago having a baby was considered a gift, now an unplanned pregnancy is treated as something that has to be dealt with. In my opinion abortion devalues human life...if it's inconvenient get rid of it.
I'm going to hold off a little while longer before I decide to register republican or not.

804 avanti  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 5:17:33pm

re: #750 Cheechako

I have saved one c-rat can of pound cake. I wonder if's it's still good.

I ate one that was 28 years old, but you might be pushing it a bit.

805 KitchenQueen  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 5:18:59pm

re: #162 opnion

Actually Rudy blew it by waiting for Florida. Romney would have won, if all of the Republican primaries were 'Closed"

Are the Republicans doing anything to try to close the primaries? I'd like to see some movement on that.

806 Photon Cowboy  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 5:19:21pm

in 1975 I ate a pound cake that was made in 1954. I remember that because that was two years before I was even born. It didn't kill me ,but it did taste like my Mom's pound cake and I don't rember gettig sick.

807 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 5:20:24pm

re: #803 dapperdave

In this country not so long ago having a baby was considered a gift, now an unplanned pregnancy is treated as something that has to be dealt with. In my opinion abortion devalues human life...if it's inconvenient get rid of it.
I'm going to hold off a little while longer before I decide to register republican or not.


I understand your view and I respect it. However, and seriously, no political party is going to change it. Vote for whomever you want, but don't kid yourself that you congressman or your senator can do anything about it. Also, don't kid yourself about a president being able to appoint an openly anti-choice Justice anytime in the near future.

This is an emotional issue, but it is not one that the GOP or any party can change without there being a massive shift in the outlook of the country as a whole.

808 DisturbedEma  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 5:22:21pm

re: #792 ludwigvanquixote

I have to agree for the most part. If you see my upstairs thread on the Jewish take on abortion, you know my personal views. However, as a political issue, it is destroying the GOP.

One of the things that gets me about all of this abortion stuff is how hollow it is politically. What I mean by that is that the only possible way that abortion could matter in an election is when it comes to a president appointing Supreme Court justices.

Yet, the issue gets spammed all over the place. It is not, politically, a real issue since it is not something that a congressman or a senator can affect - and frankly not even something the president can directly effect.

The only reason it is brought up is as a way to say to the religious right - "hey, we Republicans share your values" without actually promising to do anything, because they can't.

This has been a political charade for some time now, only now it really is going to backfire on the GOP. The fact is that even in the Bible Belt, many will say whatever about being pro-life publicly, but know full well what they would want to happen privately if their teen daughter or girlfriend got pregnant. The average American simply does not want Roe vs. Wade overturned, and honestly, neither do I - and I assure you that I am not a lefty.

But I have no idea how NOT voting for the opposite of dear leader is better- he signed on for unlimited abortion AND stem cell research. . .how is that making a point for those who claim to value vote?

809 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 5:23:29pm

I don't understand how a certain "moral minority" can itself "the base" when their effect on the party is more acidic than not.

810 hazzyday  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 5:25:25pm

Abortion issues have never been part of my voting patterns. Most or All women I met prefer(insist) the choice be left up to them. Even the ones that are baptist and pro-life. It's tough convincing a couple of them that working things out with a man in their life would be a good thing.

If the GoP were to move to a national platform on life that didn't just leave it up to the states, I probably will have less in common with them. I would interpret it as a move to let religion call the shots. While believing in religion greatly this is not something I really want the GoP to represent.

It seems like they would be off track then. The Republican party I am in has to have room for moderates. Else might as well just run Ann Coulter for the white house.

811 avanti  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 5:26:05pm

re: #807 ludwigvanquixote

This is an emotional issue, but it is not one that the GOP or any party can change without there being a massive shift in the outlook of the country as a whole.

If anything, the tide is turning more to a more socially moderate stance. The fastest growing group in the US is the group that follows no faith. Then, the red states are becoming more urban with blue folk moving in too. Finally, the younger you are, the more likely you'll be moderate about the abortion and gay issue.

812 dapperdave  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 5:27:25pm

re: #807 ludwigvanquixote

I agree, a lot of repubs just give lip service to get votes.

813 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 5:27:56pm

re: #808 DisturbedEma

But I have no idea how NOT voting for the opposite of dear leader is better- he signed on for unlimited abortion AND stem cell research. . .how is that making a point for those who claim to value vote?

I don't see how Obama signed on for unlimited abortion. I am not sure what you are referring to.

As per stem cell research, honestly, it is part of my values as an observant Jew to say that we should pursue the research.

The stem lines that people are talking about using do not come from abortions. Rather they come from "excess" zygotes that were fertlized in vitro from fertility clinics and never even implanted.

Even by the strict 40 day standard (for neshama), we do not have a problem halachicly.

814 avanti  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 5:34:06pm

re: #813 ludwigvanquixote

I don't see how Obama signed on for unlimited abortion. I am not sure what you are referring to.

As per stem cell research, honestly, it is part of my values as an observant Jew to say that we should pursue the research.

The stem lines that people are talking about using do not come from abortions. Rather they come from "excess" zygotes that were fertlized in vitro from fertility clinics and never even implanted.

Even by the strict 40 day standard (for neshama), we do not have a problem halachicly.

The Dems added this paragraph to their platform after the one supporting a woman's right to chose to be more moderate.

"The Democratic Party also strongly supports access to affordable family planning services and comprehensive age-appropriate sex education which empowers people to make informed choices and live healthy lives. We also recognize that such health care and education help reduce the number of unintended pregnancies and thereby also reduce the need for abortions."

815 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 5:34:52pm

re: #806 Photon Cowboy

in 1975 I ate a pound cake that was made in 1954. I remember that because that was two years before I was even born. It didn't kill me ,but it did taste like my Mom's pound cake and I don't rember gettig sick.

Maybe the reason the C-rat pound cake tasted like your mother's is because your mother used C-rat pound cakes...just something to think about!

/

816 restitutor orbis  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 5:37:39pm

re: #608 Dark_Falcon


What is so trollish about my comments? A washed up hack with no eyebrows compares a political party to the Nazis,(on a major news outlet, no less) and the Chairman of said party essentially agrees with him.
And you don't find that unacceptable?

817 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 5:40:24pm

re: #814 avanti

The Dems added this paragraph to their platform after the one supporting a woman's right to chose to be more moderate.

"The Democratic Party also strongly supports access to affordable family planning services and comprehensive age-appropriate sex education which empowers people to make informed choices and live healthy lives. We also recognize that such health care and education help reduce the number of unintended pregnancies and thereby also reduce the need for abortions."

I understand that the Dems are pro-choice in direct proportion to the pro-life stance of the GOP. However, I fail to see how that provides for unlimited abortions. Further, I have never understood being anti abortion and also being opposed to the use of birth control. No amount of religiousity on the part of the minority is going to stop people from having sex in the majority. So if, as a member of the minority (i.e. honestly religious and not hypocritical enough to actually be celibate) you want people who aren't to not have abortions, you need to be all for birth control.

818 yochanan  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 5:45:37pm

π r2ed no silly PIE r'round

819 code red 21  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 5:50:58pm

re: #88 gegenkritik

Abortion is prolife because it grants self-determination of a woman over her life. Otherwise, a cluster of cells rules over the life of a human being.

Jeremiah 1:5- before I formed you in the womb I knew you

820 DisturbedEma  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 5:54:27pm

re: #813 ludwigvanquixote

I don't see how Obama signed on for unlimited abortion. I am not sure what you are referring to.

As per stem cell research, honestly, it is part of my values as an observant Jew to say that we should pursue the research.

The stem lines that people are talking about using do not come from abortions. Rather they come from "excess" zygotes that were fertlized in vitro from fertility clinics and never even implanted.

Even by the strict 40 day standard (for neshama), we do not have a problem halachicly.

Sorry, was talking about the funds for the abortions and family planning. . .

821 DisturbedEma  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 5:57:03pm

My point was supposed to be how can people who value vote NOT vote for McCain. . .because he did not have the right views, which meant that by staying home, someone who was loathe to limit abortion at all ws elected. . .

822 hazzyday  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 6:00:42pm

re: #626 Afrocity

Piglet you changed your avatar!

That is an example of reverse racism.
They only see black.
I know a woman that only reads books by black authors, goes only to black businesses.
People assume I voted for Obama--WHICH PISSES ME OFFF.

Obama running made things worse because now we have some true bigots thinking they are "hip" because they pulled the lever for B-zero over McCain.

Historic moment my ass. Obama is incompetent will probably do more damage to the image of black politicians than anyone. Even Michael Steele is being judged by the BO measuring stick.

RE: black leaders:

The first black leader I was close to was Clark in the military. He was from Chicago, he had an urban dialect I had a hard time following. He was the first person to call me "Dude". We became great friends, and eventually the military moved us different directions. My military life was like that, I was young and naive, I met a lot of 20-30 year old black NCO's who mentored me through the difficulties of military life. I would like to think that I have paid those favors back. Because they were good human beings. In civilian society it hasn't been as obvious, but I am older also. I don't consider Pres Obama a good leader.

823 Photon Cowboy  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 6:15:31pm

re: #815 talon_262

No , Thank God my Mom is still a bad cook. I still enjoy going up to see her and tell say how good the meal was. then secretly eat a bunch of Rolaids on the drive home. I know someday I'll miss that.

824 FrogMarch  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 6:19:28pm

re: #114 zombie

The Republican Party is pushing for a Constitutional Amendment to permanently ban abortion?

You're kidding me.

Talk about a waste of time and resources. You need -- what? -- 3/4 majority of states to approve of the amendment? And 2/3 of Congress?

Considering that at least 34 states already had legal abortion before Roe v. Wade, and that the Congress is about 55% Democratic overall, the chances of this amendment passing is nil.

The country is going to pot under Obama, and the Republicans are wasting all their energies on no-win fantasyland stuff.

What a pathetic political party.

bingo!

825 FrogMarch  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 6:28:37pm

Can we throw Huckabee under the bus?

826 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 6:32:06pm

FUCK!

827 Zimriel  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 7:09:10pm

re: #813 ludwigvanquixote

I don't see how Obama signed on for unlimited abortion. I am not sure what you are referring to.

As per stem cell research, honestly, it is part of my values as an observant Jew to say that we should pursue the research.

The stem lines that people are talking about using do not come from abortions. Rather they come from "excess" zygotes that were fertlized in vitro from fertility clinics and never even implanted.

Even by the strict 40 day standard (for neshama), we do not have a problem halachicly.

Right, because Jews follow the Covenant Code (the oldest part of the Torah). Exodus 21:22-25 makes a clear distinction between a fetus and a person in the legal cases of both manslaughter and battery. A fetus is worth weregeld but is not just cause for talionis (eye for eye etc). A woman, if injured, is just cause for talionis. A woman is 100% tooth-for-tooth legally human (suck it, Mo!) but her fetus isn't. Judaism is a legal religion and the rest, as they say, is commentary.

Catholics start from the assumption that God's revelation was a progressive process up to Jesus's Resurrection. The Covenant Code, for Catholics, is a legal document of the time of Moses. Other things went on around that time with which Catholics and modern Jews disagree. Stoning adulterers; stoning blasphemers; taking captive women as slaves (Numbers 31); wiping out Amalek etc etc. Catholics have taken the ancient legal status of a fetus into account, but they've rejected it as doctrine. It has been abrogated by early Church Tradition, first set explicitly in the Didakhé IIRC.

Also: Catholics have a "torah fence" of their own. Remember how you can't boil a calf in its mother's milk, and you can't know if modern processed foods have mingled calf meat and its cow's milk, therefore God hates cheeseburgers? Catholics are in the same bind with embryos. From their respect of human life and their assumption that it begins at conception, it follows that destruction of embryos (unless there is very, VERY good reason - like, a child would not be conceived otherwise) is herem to Catholics.

828 FootLoose  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 7:22:24pm

"fundamental pro-lifers" is not a description, but a sneer, an arrogant dismissal. What is the meaning of "fundamental" in this context? Are Catholics included? What about non-believers who base their objection to the destruction of the helpless on a natural right to life? Surely last month's AP story "Lawsuit: Florida Clinic Botched Abortion, Threw Out Live Baby" should give pause to anyone who would dismiss those who defend the defenseless as ignorant "fundamentalists."

829 Sharmuta  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 7:33:26pm

My problem with the call for a Constitutional ban on abortions is this:

It is unrealistic. We will never have the required amount of support in Congress or the states to ratify such an amendment. This plank of the platform is a token gesture, imo, and I find that offensive to the sanctity of life.

Looking at the polling data over decades, there has been little movement in people's opinion. The majority of people think it should be kept legal within certain constraints and this has been consistent for 30 years. A ban will never happen. We are pandering to the minority on this issue and demonizing the majority. Worse- a ban will not stop abortions, they will only make them dangerous and hurt not only the babies, but their mothers.

What can be done is following the leadership of people like Rudy, who despite being pro-choice reduced the number of abortions in New York City. We can strengthen/reform adoption laws, help make birth control more affordable and reliable, and improve education by including economics and evolution (in the form of sexual selection where animals seem to be more intelligent in this regard than far too many female humans).

I am personally pro-life. I would never have an abortion. It is far from a "lump of cells" in my opinion. However, I 1) do not want the government in my bedroom, and 2) do not think the Constitution is the means by which we should solve social issues. It didn't work with alcohol, and I feel abortion would have a similar fate. The issue is more complicated than a ban could solve. The root of the problem is unwanted pregnancies, and to solve this issue our focus should be at that point and not afterwards.

830 VioletTiger  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 7:38:48pm

re: #686 ludwigvanquixote
Thanks for sharing this.

831 VioletTiger  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 7:40:35pm

re: #829 Sharmuta

Nice summary Sharmuta. I agree.

832 toaster_empire  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 8:31:52pm

There seem to be a lot of people here who are truly surprised by the ineffectualness of Michale Steele. I mean given the talk up he got from inside the party I understand, but coming from the old line state (MD) I can tell you that he is the same Michael Steele that I knew. Intelligent, but unremarkable on the political scene. Even given opportunities to distinguish himself in the role of Lt. Governor, he did nothing of note. Can't imagine why the RNC thought he was national stage material.

833 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 8:56:00pm

re: #750 Cheechako

I have saved one c-rat can of pound cake. I wonder if's it's still good.

On the decluttering list I sometimes read, a woman wrote in about finding a case of military meal packages, from her husband's time in the service. He was a Vietnam vet. This was about five years ago.

They threw them out. I would have pried at least one open, just out of curiousity.

834 descolada9  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 9:16:30pm

Good God, can we not get ourselves a decent leader for the GOP? I would have thought the man would have had his ear to the ground at least enough to about the people that he is going to lead. Instead, his spine collapses as soon as he gets confronted by a leftist media drone. And should he be thrown overboard then the Republicans are going to be called racists again.

Calling for a leader with a pair and a clue!

835 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 9:19:05pm

re: #803 dapperdave

In this country not so long ago having a baby was considered a gift, now an unplanned pregnancy is treated as something that has to be dealt with. In my opinion abortion devalues human life...if it's inconvenient get rid of it.
I'm going to hold off a little while longer before I decide to register republican or not.

In this country, not so long ago, a teenage girl who got pregnant had ruined her life. She could not keep the child, she could not even hold her head up and give the baby up for adoption. Secrecy and lies were the order of the day. So much for valuing human life.

To paraphrase Winston Churchill on a different topic, letting a woman decide whether to abort a pregnancy or not is the worst of all possible ideas--except for letting anyone else decide.

I would not, at this point in my life, ever choose to have an abortion, except in a serious health crisis, but I cannot see a way in which making abortion unavailable or illegal in the U.S. won't lead to a worse, rather than better, society.

836 Baelzar  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 9:36:43pm

The Republican party is toast. Religion, damn it.

The abortion issue is going to split it like a piece of wood under an axe.

And the Democrats are loving it. Absolutely loving it.

837 meeshlr  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:28:54pm

re: #253 DaddyG

Having an abortion is not inherently traumatic for the woman. It may be for women who are not certain of their choice to have an abortion or who choose an abortion in contradiction to their religious beliefs. They may even believe that they ought to feel guilty and the conflict comes from feeling relief instead.

Don't assume that all women who have an abortion are traumatized for life. Most aren't.

838 meeshlr  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:29:54pm

re: #832 toaster_empire

He is rather boring and uninspiring.

839 El Guape  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:48:55pm

re: #836 Baelzar

Religion has nothing to do with one's views on abortion. One merely has to determine what is destroyed by the abortion process, a human being at a certain stage of development or something else? Any human biology text book in the world will tell you unequivocally that it is indeed a human being.

I'm too pro-science to be pro-choice.

840 gonecamping  Fri, Mar 13, 2009 5:26:06am

Given that the MSM made such a big hullabaloo over Obama being the first black President, IMHO, the RNC is bending over backward to say "look at us, we are not racist!" We had a minority give the rebuttal to Obama's speech, and a minority is chosen to lead the party. Can anyone honestly tell me that Steele was the best person for the job? I sure am not impressed with what I've seen so far. I want someone to lead and defend the party, AND get it back on the track of FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY!

re: #31 Ben Hur

I'm sorry, but this line really troubles me.

Lead the party, but your views don't matter.

Like it or not, it sounds to me that they just want him to stand there and be Black.

841 swisnieski  Fri, Mar 13, 2009 5:30:08am

re: #88 gegenkritik

If you reduce everything to its base physical constituents, there's nothing you can't rationalize.

Gay marriage? It's just a slip of paper with some octopus semen on it. (Ditto with the Constitution!).

Why oppose gun control? It's just a hunk of metal.

Mind if I sodomize a corpse? Meh, it's just a bag of old rotten meat.

*sigh*

The fetus is alive, and it's a human. What more do you need to understand that it is a HUMAN LIFE, hmm?

842 swisnieski  Fri, Mar 13, 2009 5:30:58am

re: #837 meeshlr

And moreover its only incidental to the pro-life argument. Abortion isn't obnoxious because it hurts women (though sometimes it does); it's obnoxious because it kills humans.

843 DaddyG  Fri, Mar 13, 2009 5:48:24am

re: #716 CyanSnowHawk

Mrs. Hawk told me the story of having to rescue a friend that tried to use the epilady to trim her bikini line.
Such are the things that best friends do for one another.
/While trying not to laugh too hard.

HA! When my beutiful bride was preggers with our first she hinted strongly that she wanted an Epilady for Christmas. Being a poor student I was proud to save my pennies and buy her this gift so she could remove her hair without having to worry about seeing below her pregnant belly to shave.

I ended up having to use the thing on her and after about 5 minutes of inflicting pain I refused to go any further. (Shaving your pregnant wife's legs - now tell me that isn't love...)

It was the most disappointing Christmas gift ever. But it gave us years of laughter. I can't wait until the commercials start showing again.

844 DaddyG  Fri, Mar 13, 2009 5:53:33am

re: #837 meeshlr

Having an abortion is not inherently traumatic for the woman. It may be for women who are not certain of their choice to have an abortion or who choose an abortion in contradiction to their religious beliefs. They may even believe that they ought to feel guilty and the conflict comes from feeling relief instead.

Don't assume that all women who have an abortion are traumatized for life. Most aren't.


Of course not all are traumatized, but many are. I know plenty of them personally. Life and death decisions made at a young age are often regretted later. Too many youngsters are sold on the notion that abortion is a convenience only to have a very difficult time later when they are ready to have a child.

However, I don't doubt you either that for some women it is not a big deal and never will be.

More to the point of the thread- I have to agree with those here that fear the Republican party and their platform being held hostage to a single issue. Even though I personally see elective abortion for convenience sake as a horrible evil I hope that we do not "cut off our nose to spite our face" when it comes to promoting smaller government that is resonsible too the people. In the end you cannot legislate morality and should not try.

(Sorry for the late post - I can't access these threads on the bus).

845 Yashmak  Fri, Mar 13, 2009 7:20:06am

re: #836 Baelzar

The abortion issue is going to split it (the Republican party) like a piece of wood under an axe.

I'm afraid you are correct.

846 Yashmak  Fri, Mar 13, 2009 7:24:03am

re: #803 dapperdave

In this country not so long ago having a baby was considered a gift, now an unplanned pregnancy is treated as something that has to be dealt with.

If you say so. My significant other and I are due to have our first child on October 1st. It was unplanned, but we're excited about it, anyway.

847 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 13, 2009 7:58:46am

re: #516 Thanos

I'm a life long Republican, you used to be able to have differing and indiviudual opinions about Abortion in this party without getting a stoning from both sides. It really sucks that social issues have over run our desire for a better future in this country. If Steele is ousted he'll get replaced with a neo-confederate or Discovery Institute favorite, you watch.

Might be exactly why he's getting pressured.

848 Baelzar  Fri, Mar 13, 2009 8:28:58am

Many, many people are fiscally conservative. What the Republican party used to be.

Not nearly so many are SOCIALLY conservative. What the Republican party has turned into.

The religious right, and the Republican's lack of focus on the important fiscal issues, MADE OBAMA POSSIBLE.

Now, the Republicans can't defend themselves. What have they to fall back upon?

849 Colonel Panik  Fri, Mar 13, 2009 8:31:33am

Mike Gallagher is defending Steele on his show this morning, and Gallagher is a very pro-life Catholic.

850 eaglewingz08  Fri, Mar 13, 2009 8:36:50am

Two African American leaders of their parties imploding at the same time, what are the odds?
As for Mr. Huckabees' statement that no one should have the ability to take away the life of any other human being in any circumstance, does that imply that he is opposed to the death penalty? If the right to life is supreme under all circumstances that would appear to be the case.

851 Colonel Panik  Fri, Mar 13, 2009 8:45:04am

re: #686 ludwigvanquixote

I've always thought the halachic position on abortion is the one that makes the most sense. Thanks for posting this.

852 Aisha bint Abi Bakr  Fri, Mar 13, 2009 11:24:41am

# 40 gegenkritik

Interesting link. I have never seen the abortion issue framed like that.

I am one of those Democrats that is on the fence with the Republican party. Though I voted for a Republican for the first time in my life with John McCain, I must admit that I did so because I had confidence that he would not take away my reproductive rights. I believed he would not try to legislate my uterus. I wonder how many of you that are ranting about the rights of cells are males? The Republican party would pull in many more Independents and women if they did not allow this issue dominate the party. Polls continue to show that the majority of Americans want the right to an abortion to remain legal. Most people believe the choice should remain with the woman and not the government. As Roe v. Wade has been the law of the land for around 30 years, I don't think it will change any time soon. And if I feel my rights are threatened by the Republican white male establishment, you will never have my vote again.

853 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 13, 2009 12:46:27pm

See, Charles, these abortion threads haven't been so bad. You just needed to limber up the lizards with a few months of creationism and stuff.

854 wltzacrsstxs  Fri, Mar 13, 2009 1:05:38pm

#852.

You have lots of reproductive rights. The easiest and most important of which is to keep your legs closed.

And I am a white female.

You don't have any right to kill an innocent, though unborn human being, solely for your convenience. Women who claim to have "reproductive rights" are saying nothing more than "I should have the right to f#ck anyone I want, whenever I want, feel as good as I want, be as slutty as I want, and I shouldn't have to take one whit of responsibility for what I do." Admit it. The only reason you feel like you NEED to have the "right" to an abortion is so you can f*uck around.

Which is what frightens me the most about the state of our culture. Somehow, the majority of Americans have become so selfish and concerned with their own pleasure that taking responsibility for their actions has become passe. The cavalier attitude you express towards human life no doubt carries over to the rest of your world view. Which must be why Democrats expect me to pay the bills for the worthless humans - some of whom I went to school with, some of whom are in my own family - who live beyond their means, because it's FUN!

There are vast segments of the population who have adopted this "Who cares about tomorrow, or what might become of my profligate spending, f#cking, drug using! I'm having FUN and how DARE you deny me the right to have FUN!" attitude. With zero thought to the misery they inflict on other people's lives -- their unborn children, the horrible misery peasants in drug-producing countries live in... the list goes on.

If Americans would just GROW UP ... sigh ...

855 wltzacrsstxs  Fri, Mar 13, 2009 1:09:24pm

#850

The issue is taking away innocent life. Cold blooded killers aren't innocent. They've forfeited their right to live in society with the rest of us and deserve to have their life ended.

Sadly, if you believe the studies on the subject, it has become more expensive to end the life of a cold blooded killer than to warehouse him/her until death.

856 wltzacrsstxs  Fri, Mar 13, 2009 1:10:32pm

I listened to Ari Fleischer's take down of Chris Matthews on the radio. I don't know anything about him, but a guy who can actually verbalize his positions and dish it right back out has my vote for RNC chairman.

857 cgrow  Fri, Mar 13, 2009 5:37:35pm

This is too bad. It would be nice if there were a socially centrist party that believed in small government and fiscal conservatism, but wasn't as crazy as the libertarians.

858 Aisha bint Abi Bakr  Sat, Mar 14, 2009 7:09:52am

#854 wltzacrsstxs

Thanks for reducing me to a stereotype.

859 El Guape  Sat, Mar 14, 2009 8:57:38am

re: #858 Aisha bint Abi Bakr

I wonder if you approve of abortions in India? It wasn't always illegal there. When it was legal the ratio of girls to boys being aborted was so skewed that the government made it illegal. Does a woman have the right to abort a fetus based on it's sex?

In response to your post in #852, I don't believe that a vote determines what is moral. There is no scientific difference between abortion and murder. None. You cannot define what separates a fetus and me. This is why the pro-dismembering of innocent humans crowd has moved on from defining when life begins to defining when life becomes human, as if they have the authority to determine that. A newborn baby has no consciousness, has no conception of itself at all. Can I tear it's limbs off like the abortion doctor down the hall can? No?

Yes, the government should have the authority to legistlate your womb, if you decide to use it as a killing chamber.


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