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Ron Paul steps up and takes credit for the Tax Day Tea Parties: Statement on Ron Paul and ‘Tax Day Tea Parties’.

ARLINGTON, Va.—(BUSINESS WIRE)—As activists across the country hold national tea parties, Campaign for Liberty president John Tate issued the following statement:

“The concept of the modern day Tea Party began on December 16, 2007 when supporters of Ron Paul’s presidential campaign came together and raised over $6 million online in one day. The tremendous success of that event lead activists in the freedom movement and members of the Campaign for Liberty to begin planning today’s Tax Day Tea Parties.

“Success always brings company, and it is very positive that so many conservatives, libertarians, Republicans, constitutionalists and even progressives have come together and joined our efforts. All Americans who are sincere about cutting out of control government spending are welcome to stand with Dr. Paul and the Campaign for Liberty as we fight to take our country back.”

Congressman Ron Paul is the honorary chairman of Campaign for Liberty.

(Hat tip: Killgore.)

UPDATE at 4/15/09 5:09:46 pm:

The crazy uncle is right about the fact that Paulians have been staging “tea party” demonstrations for years. From 2007:

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1238 comments
1 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:02:25pm

Dear Mr. Paul,

Please, pretty please with sugar on top STFU and STFD.

v/r

An American

2 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:02:33pm

He can take all the credit he wants in his fantasy land.

3 Adrenalyn  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:03:00pm

no one knows who he is

what percentage of the vote did he get anyway ?

4 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:03:26pm

re: #1 Jetpilot1101

Please, pretty please with sugar on top STFU and STFD.


Why should he? He was doing the Tea Party gimmick for at least two years before the rest of you showed up.

5 MJBrutus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:03:55pm

Ron Paul … leading from the fringe.

6 rawmuse  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:04:36pm

Which way is the front of the parade?

7 JacksonTn  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:04:41pm

the guy with the spray on hair stuff …? …

/oh … that Ron … idiot …

8 Killian Bundy  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:04:41pm

Why are people pissed and turning out in numbers to protest?

/all you need to know

9 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:04:51pm

Ron Paul: Batshit insane.

10 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:06:18pm

Last year’s Ron Paul Tea Party…..
RON PAUL RALLY, SOUTH LAWN, US CAPITOL, WASHINGTON DC: APRIL 15, 2008

Look familiar? You’ve only added to his numbers but it’s pretty much the same.

11 Racer X  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:06:48pm

Serious question:

What exactly does the Federal Government do well?

12 mj  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:06:55pm

Piss on Ron Paul.

13 KingKenrod  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:06:56pm

I’m surprised he didn’t take credit for the original (Boston) tea party.

14 Buster Bunny  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:07:20pm

Ron Paul : He gives Batshit Crazy Insane people a bad name.

15 daledog  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:07:20pm

I’m not a Paulistinain, but to me he is no more embarrassing that a president whose spiritual advisor preached about white people inventing HIV.

16 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:07:27pm

Poll.

Who is the world’s biggest asshole?

1) Ron Paul.

2) Ron Paul.

3) Ron Paul.

17 jcm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:07:28pm

Ron Paul signed the Declaration of Independence. The that jerk John Hancock signed over the top!

18 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:07:33pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

Last year’s Ron Paul Tea Party…..
RON PAUL RALLY, SOUTH LAWN, US CAPITOL, WASHINGTON DC: APRIL 15, 2008

Look familiar? You’ve only added to his numbers but it’s pretty much the same.

People obviously don’t want to hear this.

19 Killian Bundy  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:07:49pm

re: #11 Racer X

Serious question:

What exactly does the Federal Government do well?

/run up debt

20 jcm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:07:49pm

re: #16 karmic_inquisitor

Poll.

Who is the world’s biggest asshole?

1) Ron Paul.

2) Ron Paul.

3) Ron Paul.

4) Laup Nor.

21 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:07:51pm
22 brookly red  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:08:27pm

re: #11 Racer X

Serious question:

What exactly does the Federal Government do well?

Grow.

23 itellu3times  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:08:49pm

How long do you let Ron Paul steep, to make a good cup of tea?

24 Buster Bunny  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:09:10pm

Its a shame .. the whole concept of a peaceful Tea Party protest leading to some major changes at the top level .. turned into a rant by the kook-right into a means of usurping civility.

25 Ojoe  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:09:18pm

Ron Paul is wrong. It was Nostradamus who saw through time, and thought of these tea parties first, way before.

/Open the pod bay door, Hal

(I’m sorry Dave, I really can’t do that.)

26 jcm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:09:26pm

re: #11 Racer X

Serious question:

What exactly does the Federal Government do well?

Defense, not without procurement and bureaucracy issues, but when it comes to killing bad guys and breaking their stuff, nobody does it better.

27 daledog  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:09:30pm

re: #11 Racer X

They can field a rather effective military. Other than that, no se.

28 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:09:36pm

re: #21 JammieWearingFool

Sure. I imagine about 0.00001% of today’s protesters were Ron Paul voters. So let the crazy man take credit.

In other news, the Pope took a dump in the woods today.

Literally just choked.

OMG.

29 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:10:03pm

re: #24 Buster Bunny

Its a shame .. the whole concept of a peaceful Tea Party protest leading to some major changes at the top level .. turned into a rant by the kook-right into a means of usurping civility.

Were you at a rally?

30 Wishing  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:10:17pm

Ron Paul supporters:1/10 of 1%?
Usurpers, for sure.

31 tompaineftw  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:10:24pm

re: #18 Charles

I don’t see the words ‘tea party.’

32 Gus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:10:32pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

Last year’s Ron Paul Tea Party…..
RON PAUL RALLY, SOUTH LAWN, US CAPITOL, WASHINGTON DC: APRIL 15, 2008

Look familiar? You’ve only added to his numbers but it’s pretty much the same.

I’ve been to a protest with anarchists in the crowd before. Does that mean I’m an anarchist? No. I’ve been to ones with ANSWER? Does that mean I’m a communist? No.

This was almost 20 years ago.

33 MJBrutus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:10:36pm

re: #21 JammieWearingFool

Sure. I imagine about 0.00001% of today’s protesters were Ron Paul voters. So let the crazy man take credit.

In other news, the Pope took a dump in the woods today.

And a grizzley conducted high mass at St Peters :-)

34 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:10:54pm

re: #18 Charles

People obviously don’t want to hear this.

People certainly didn’t see this judging from their first hand accounts today.

35 Wishing  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:11:22pm

Off to do chores before work.
Play nice.
USA rocks!

36 TheMatrix31  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:11:30pm

re: #21 JammieWearingFool

In other news, the Pope took a dump in the woods today.

No shit?

37 Sifty  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:11:33pm

Bullshit.

Ron Paul only owns this movement as much as we let him.

38 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:11:42pm

yay ron paul.

(lower case. didja notice?)

39 jcm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:11:52pm

re: #32 Gus 802

I’ve been to a protest with anarchists in the crowd before. Does that mean I’m an anarchist? No. I’ve been to ones with ANSWER? Does that mean I’m a communist? No.

This was almost 20 years ago.

*pulls file*

Yep, still flagged.

/;-P

40 Ojoe  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:12:21pm

re: #11 Racer X

They can monitor volcanoes too.

41 Gus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:12:28pm

re: #39 jcm

*pulls file*

Yep, still flagged.

/;-P

Me no commie! Me no commie!

//

42 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:13:14pm

I saw not clouds in the sky today, so reports of bad weather must certainly be bogus. Obviously some kind of meteorological bias in the reporting.
/

43 Racer X  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:13:21pm

The fundamental flaw in these protests is they are modeled after an even that took place way in the past. Old and out of touch.

This should have been a protest over the greater threat: BIG GOVERNMENT.

Everyone should be afraid of a government that just keeps getting bigger and bigger, spending more and more money that WE do not have.

It should not have been just about taxes.

44 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:14:07pm

re: #18 Charles

People obviously don’t want to hear this.


Shhhhh.

45 jones  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:14:07pm

A simple poll on the matter would prove everything.

46 brookly red  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:14:21pm

re: #39 jcm

*pulls file*

Yep, still flagged.

/;-P

/Yes, but now the flag reads “potential donor”…

47 daledog  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:15:06pm

re: #43 Racer X

The Chicago Tea Party had plenty of focus on the size of the gubmint. The speakers focused on it and there were plenty of signs about it.

48 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:15:09pm

re: #45 jones

A simple poll on the matter would prove everything.

Heh.

49 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:15:28pm

re: #39 jcm

Wore your avatar to the party!

50 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:15:31pm

Who the hell cares? Is EVERY position that Ron Paul takes “the devil? ” I feel like I’m watching Bobby Boucher’s mother in “the waterboy.”

Ron Paul took a shit today. Better not take a shit, or we might be like Ron Paul.

51 Dar ul Harbarian  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:15:32pm

re: #11 Racer X

Serious question:

What exactly does the Federal Government do well?

Keep the sea lanes safe for commerce.

52 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:15:40pm

re: #34 loppyd

People certainly didn’t see this judging from their first hand accounts today.

They must have been denying reality or wearing blinders, then. Natch.

53 jcm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:15:57pm

re: #49 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wore your avatar to the party!

Excellent!

54 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:16:06pm

People are now emailing saying “Admit you were WRONG! Nobody saw any Ron Paul supporters!”

I guess they had to be wearing Ron Paul t-shirts, or carrying a sign that says “RON PAUL WAS RIGHT!” If they weren’t, then they couldn’t possibly be Paulians!

55 albusteve  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:16:19pm

re: #44 Killgore Trout

Shhhhh.

let’s just call it off eh?….how?…lets hear your suggestion

56 Boxy_brown  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:16:25pm
Ron Paul steps up and takes credit for the Tax Day Tea Parties:

Rooster steps up and takes credit for the sunrise..

57 jcm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:16:30pm

re: #51 Dar ul Harbarian

Keep the sea lanes safe for commerce.

Piratist!

58 twincitiesgirl  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:16:33pm

That video is seriously annoying, like nails on a blackboard. I never followed Ron Paul and never will. What I want to know is, where did all the crazies come from?

59 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:16:51pm

Who is Ron Paul?

60 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:17:16pm

re: #55 albusteve

Call what off?

61 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:17:17pm

re: #54 Charles

People are now emailing saying “Admit you were WRONG! Nobody saw any Ron Paul supporters!”

I guess they had to be wearing Ron Paul t-shirts, or carrying a sign that says “RON PAUL WAS RIGHT!” If they weren’t, then they couldn’t possibly be Paulians!

I saw 3 or 3 in Charlotte. Out of a crowd estimated at 2,000.

I think it’s fine to point that out, but these things did not get hijacked by paulians or kooks, as far as I could tell.

62 Gus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:17:22pm

re: #44 Killgore Trout

Shhhhh.

Let me ask you this.

If one support these events that makes them a Ron Paul supporter?

Are all of these people at these events Ron Paul supporters?

63 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:17:23pm

re: #54 Charles

I repeat:

I saw no clouds in the sky today, so reports of bad weather must certainly be bogus. Obviously some kind of meteorological bias in the reporting.
/

64 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:17:28pm

/sarc

65 jcm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:17:29pm

re: #54 Charles

People are now emailing saying “Admit you were WRONG! Nobody saw any Ron Paul supporters!”

I guess they had to be wearing Ron Paul t-shirts, or carrying a sign that says “RON PAUL WAS RIGHT!” If they weren’t, then they couldn’t possibly be Paulians!

They look just like normal people!

66 DhimmiMoore  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:18:04pm

Like it or not, after Big Government Bush and Big Government Obama, Ron Paul clearly has the right constitutionally-sound ideas. People are waking up to this. If not through Paul, through someone else more mainstream. Maybe its Beck, and others who are starting to see things right.

Gov. Rick Perry is now stating that Texas has the right to secede if they want. Thank God for someone who will stand up for states’ rights and conservative principles.

67 jaunte  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:18:21pm

As of Feb 13, 2009, the Federal debt ceiling is $12.104 trillion.

68 Racer X  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:18:27pm

So far I see the Federal Government doing these things really well:

a). Does a good job providing a Federal militia to keep Americans safe.

b). Studies natural phenomena in order to prevent or minimize disasters.

c). Responds to disasters in a manner that helps people as quickly as possible.

Anything else?

69 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:19:04pm

re: #67 jaunte

As of Feb 13, 2009, the Federal debt ceiling is $12.104 trillion.

…but don’t assemble to protest that. A Ron Paul supporter might show up and sully the whole thing. Stay inside where it’s safe!

//

70 Buster Bunny  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:19:05pm

re: #29 loppyd

Were you at a rally?

No .. I think the whole thing was a great idea .. but its been hijacked. Sure it could have done something AND SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE, but what is happening now is just … mediocre at best.

71 Dar ul Harbarian  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:19:19pm

re: #66 DhimmiMoore

Like it or not, after Big Government Bush and Big Government Obama, Ron Paul clearly has the right constitutionally-sound ideas. People are waking up to this. If not through Paul, through someone else more mainstream. Maybe its Beck, and others who are starting to see things right.

Gov. Rick Perry is now stating that Texas has the right to secede if they want. Thank God for someone who will stand up for states’ rights and conservative principles.

Breaking up the union is not a conservative principle.

72 albusteve  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:19:22pm

so it is what it is now…what’s to be done to get rid of the kooksters and legitimize it for the conservatives….don’t go or support them?…that won’t work obviously…what’s the solution from here forward?…anybody?

73 brookly red  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:19:30pm

re: #68 Racer X

So far I see the Federal Government doing these things really well:

a). Does a good job providing a Federal militia to keep Americans safe.

b). Studies natural phenomena in order to prevent or minimize disasters.

c). Responds to disasters in a manner that helps people as quickly as possible.

Anything else?

Free cheese?

74 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:19:31pm

re: #54 Charles

People are now emailing saying “Admit you were WRONG! Nobody saw any Ron Paul supporters!”

I guess they had to be wearing Ron Paul t-shirts, or carrying a sign that says “RON PAUL WAS RIGHT!” If they weren’t, then they couldn’t possibly be Paulians!

If we are going to use that calculus how do we know who anyone really is at any event we attend, political or otherwise?

75 Bloodnok  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:19:34pm

re: #66 DhimmiMoore

Oh wow.

76 daledog  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:19:42pm

re: #52 Taqiyyotomist

Right. Naturally, they were all denying reality. They were all wearing blinders.

Here’s my first hand account: Paulians were everywhere. I could tell by their beady little eyes. Happy?

77 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:19:53pm

As of April 15th 2009, Ron Paul is still a giant douche.

78 jcm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:19:57pm

re: #68 Racer X

So far I see the Federal Government doing these things really well:

a). Does a good job providing a Federal militia to keep Americans safe.

b). Studies natural phenomena in order to prevent or minimize disasters.

c). Responds to disasters in a manner that helps people as quickly as possible.

Anything else?

I kinda like the National Park system.

79 rusty_armor  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:20:07pm

re: #65 jcm

They look just like normal people!

Mmm. I don’t know. There is something funny about their eyes …

80 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:20:14pm

re: #66 DhimmiMoore

Like it or not, after Big Government Bush and Big Government Obama, Ron Paul clearly has the right constitutionally-sound ideas. People are waking up to this. If not through Paul, through someone else more mainstream. Maybe its Beck, and others who are starting to see things right.

Gov. Rick Perry is now stating that Texas has the right to secede if they want. Thank God for someone who will stand up for states’ rights and conservative principles.

Now we’re talking!

81 Racer X  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:20:17pm

Were there any Nazis at the Tea Parties today? We were told that everyone was a Nazi.

82 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:20:21pm

re: #70 Buster Bunny

No .. I think the whole thing was a great idea .. but its been hijacked. Sure it could have done something AND SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE, but what is happening now is just … mediocre at best.

Read some of the comments from posters who attended. No hijacking whatsoever from what they say.

83 MJBrutus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:20:25pm

re: #54 Charles

People are now emailing saying “Admit you were WRONG! Nobody saw any Ron Paul supporters!”

I guess they had to be wearing Ron Paul t-shirts, or carrying a sign that says “RON PAUL WAS RIGHT!” If they weren’t, then they couldn’t possibly be Paulians!

Pretty unfair caricature of what we’re saying Charles. What we’re saying is that they in no way were dominant or even particularly noticeable at the TPs that we went to. They may have been lurking around, but the message was not tainted by them. I’m sorry, but I am not going to accept the charge of guilt by associating with those low lives just because some of them (and a tiny minority of those present) happened to be protesting the same thing at the same time and place.

84 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:20:34pm

re: #79 rusty_armor

Mmm. I don’t know. There is something funny about their eyes …

and their hands…they have small hands and smell like cabbage.

85 Steffan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:20:52pm

re: #37 Sifty

Bullshit.

Ron Paul only owns this movement as much as we let him.

He isn’t the only politician that wants to ride the bandwagon. AFAICT, they have all been told by the organizers to STFU and STFD.

Michael Steele, for sure — he wanted to speechify in Chicago on July 4. He was told, not in as many words, “May you go forth and multiply.”

86 jcm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:20:52pm

re: #66 DhimmiMoore

Succession was settled, rather bloodily IIRC.

87 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:21:02pm

re: #68 Racer X

So far I see the Federal Government doing these things really well:

a). Does a good job providing a Federal militia to keep Americans safe.

b). Studies natural phenomena in order to prevent or minimize disasters.

c). Responds to disasters in a manner that helps people as quickly as possible.

Anything else?

Compared to other countries, our roads are sublime. of course that’s not an efficient example, but it’s something I have come to appreciate after traveling and living abroad.

88 Racer X  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:21:06pm

re: #78 jcm

I kinda like the National Park system.

Ooh, good one. Me too.

What else?

89 Soona'  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:21:07pm

With regards and respect, Charles, I’m glad I’m leaving for home now and not participating in this thread.

90 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:21:34pm

Charles, where is the poll? /

91 Buster Bunny  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:21:44pm

re: #66 DhimmiMoore

Secession to what? IF there was any secession .. what you would end up with is the creative and affluent states which are usually Democrat .. being low on resources and the Republican states .. (yes those lil red ones) being full of bare resources and having to deal with the other states anyway !

Its a classic lose-lose situation.

92 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:21:57pm

re: #74 loppyd

If we are going to use that calculus how do we know who anyone really is at any event we attend, political or otherwise?

You don’t. That’s the point.

But far too many people seem to just want to pretend this is not a problem, even when the guy who’s out there talking to the media, as the organizer of dozens of these groups, is a Paulian who publishes articles at New World Order websites.

Lets just ignore that, though. What could go wrong?

93 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:22:26pm

re: #62 Gus 802

Are all of these people at these events Ron Paul supporters?


No. They are well meaning conservatives who are unwittingly supporting Ron Paul’s policies. This is why the Paulians took over the organizing of the Tea Parties so quickly. The theme and infrastructure was already there when everybody else piled on. They’ve been doing this for at least two years as far as I can tell,maybe longer.

94 Racer X  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:22:35pm

re: #90 Catttt

Charles, where is the poll? /

Yes. We need a poll.

I mean, c’mon, its a Ron Paul thread.

95 jayzee  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:22:41pm

re: #82 loppyd

Read some of the comments from posters who attended. No hijacking whatsoever from what they say.

There’s no need to hijack if you’re all heading in the same direction. The Paulians etc will simply take the credit for driving.

96 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:23:06pm

Thats right. Know your source lizards.

97 FrogMarch  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:23:07pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

Last year’s Ron Paul Tea Party…..
RON PAUL RALLY, SOUTH LAWN, US CAPITOL, WASHINGTON DC: APRIL 15, 2008

Look familiar? You’ve only added to his numbers but it’s pretty much the same.

Honestly, were the paul bots calling it a “tea party” back then?

98 Buster Bunny  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:23:12pm

re: #82 loppyd

Read some of the comments from posters who attended. No hijacking whatsoever from what they say.

You mean .. * gasp * its a media beat-up?

OH NO THAT COULD NEVER HAPPEN !

99 Steffan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:23:36pm

re: #54 Charles

People are now emailing saying “Admit you were WRONG! Nobody saw any Ron Paul supporters!”

I guess they had to be wearing Ron Paul t-shirts, or carrying a sign that says “RON PAUL WAS RIGHT!” If they weren’t, then they couldn’t possibly be Paulians!

What, they don’t believe Ron Paul’s lying press releases?

100 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:23:54pm

re: #92 Charles

You don’t. That’s the point.

But far too many people seem to just want to pretend this is not a problem, even when the guy who’s out there talking to the media, as the organizer of dozens of these groups, is a Paulian who publishes articles at New World Order websites.

Lets just ignore that, though. What could go wrong?

I keep thinking of that clip of a tea party organizing meeting, where a lady starts yelling “burn the books!” A guy laughs, then realizes she is serious. It goes downhill from there.

101 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:24:11pm

re: #81 Racer X

Were there any Nazis at the Tea Parties today?


Yes, go to the threads at stormfont. People are sharing their Tea Party experiences. A lot of them mention which cities they attended.

102 Gus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:24:46pm

re: #93 Killgore Trout

No. They are well meaning conservatives who are unwittingly supporting Ron Paul’s policies. This is why the Paulians took over the organizing of the Tea Parties so quickly. The theme and infrastructure was already there when everybody else piled on. They’ve been doing this for at least two years as far as I can tell,maybe longer.

OK But I’m getting conflicting information here now. On the one hand I am hearing that Ron Paul took over this event. On the other hand I’m hearing that FOX is running the show. Others have said it’s Dick Army and Newt Gengrich behind the scenes. Then, we get another view that says this is all organized by the Republican Party.

Which one is it?

103 Buster Bunny  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:24:53pm

I’d prefer to be dealing with Raelians than Paulians.

All you need to do is wait for the next spaceship ….

… when is that due ?

104 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:24:57pm

re: #101 Killgore Trout

Yes, go to the threads at stormfont. People are sharing their Tea Party experiences. A lot of them mention which cities they attended.

Who cares?

105 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:25:11pm

re: #97 FrogMarch

Honestly, were the paul bots calling it a “tea party” back then?

Yes. See the video at the top of this thread.

106 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:25:14pm

re: #72 albusteve

Well, as it has been explained to me, the Tea Party is not a “conservative” movement. It’s open to all political bents.

Anyway, I am gonna go back outside and enjoy this lovely weather. I look forward to all the nation’s meteorologists admitting that they were WRONG when they reported lousy weather in other parts of the country.
/

Later Lizards.

107 Racer X  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:25:17pm

re: #93 Killgore Trout

No. They are well meaning conservatives Liberals who are unwittingly supporting Ron Paul’s Obama’s policies. This is why the Paulians Obamians took over the organizing of the Tea Parties Acorn so quickly. The theme and infrastructure was already there when everybody else piled on. They’ve been doing this for at least two Ten years as far as I can tell, maybe longer.

See how that works in reverse?

108 MJBrutus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:25:19pm

re: #93 Killgore Trout

No. They are well meaning conservatives who are unwittingly supporting Ron Paul’s policies. This is why the Paulians took over the organizing of the Tea Parties so quickly. The theme and infrastructure was already there when everybody else piled on. They’ve been doing this for at least two years as far as I can tell,maybe longer.

When Ron Paul is right about something I am going to support the thing he is right about. That does not mean I am supporting him or supporting him on anything else.

Just as Obama was right, IMHO, on funding stem cell research. I support him on that, but that doesn’t mean I support any of his other policies he has that I find despicable.

109 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:25:19pm

re: #100 Catttt

I keep thinking of that clip of a tea party organizing meeting, where a lady starts yelling “burn the books!” A guy laughs, then realizes she is serious. It goes downhill from there.

Thats all you need is a few deranged nutbars to derail the entire point of the TP. We need to do more. We need to prepare better.

110 jcm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:25:19pm

re: #102 Gus 802

OK But I’m getting conflicting information here now. On the one hand I am hearing that Ron Paul took over this event. On the other hand I’m hearing that FOX is running the show. Others have said it’s Dick Army and Newt Gengrich behind the scenes. Then, we get another view that says this is all organized by the Republican Party.

Which one is it?

Skull & Bones.
///

111 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:25:22pm

re: #103 Buster Bunny

I’d prefer to be dealing with Raelians than Paulians.

All you need to do is wait for the next spaceship ….

… when is that due ?

I’ll take on the Romulans, then.

112 Jack Burton  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:25:25pm

re: #66 DhimmiMoore

Like it or not, after Big Government Bush and Big Government Obama, Ron Paul clearly has the right constitutionally-sound ideas. People are waking up to this. If not through Paul, through someone else more mainstream. Maybe its Beck, and others who are starting to see things right.

Gov. Rick Perry is now stating that Texas has the right to secede if they want. Thank God for someone who will stand up for states’ rights and conservative principles.

Not even wrong

113 rightymouse  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:25:35pm

Ron Paul can take all the credit he wants. Doesn’t make it true.

114 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:25:49pm
115 Bloodnok  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:25:52pm

re: #93 Killgore Trout

No. They are well meaning conservatives who are unwittingly supporting Ron Paul’s policies. This is why the Paulians took over the organizing of the Tea Parties so quickly. The theme and infrastructure was already there when everybody else piled on. They’ve been doing this for at least two years as far as I can tell,maybe longer.

Because it bears repeating.

116 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:26:06pm

re: #92 Charles

You don’t. That’s the point.

But far too many people seem to just to pretend this is not a problem, even when the guy who’s out there talking to the media, as the organizer of dozens of these groups, is a Paulian who publishes articles at New World Order websites.

Lets just ignore that, though. What could go wrong?

He may be all of those things, but he was nowhere near the tea parties we are hearing about from posters. I live in Boston and if the media here could find an angle to discredit anything having to do with the rallies they would. No mention of this loon or any other loons.

He may think he is the organizer, but he is mistaken.

117 Buster Bunny  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:26:15pm

I wonder if Lipton is game to get into the act.

They could sell a lot of Tea.

118 pingjockey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:26:17pm

Luap Nor did have a good idea though. Issue letters of Marque and let privateers go after the pirates!

119 VioletTiger  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:26:22pm

re: #93 Killgore Trout

No. They are well meaning conservatives who are unwittingly supporting Ron Paul’s policies. This is why the Paulians took over the organizing of the Tea Parties so quickly. The theme and infrastructure was already there when everybody else piled on. They’ve been doing this for at least two years as far as I can tell,maybe longer.


I still don’t believe that all of these tea parties all over the country were organized by Paulians. Are there that many of these nutbags?
And how are these Ron Paul’s policies? Does he own ‘lower taxes’ and ‘stop wasteful spending?’

120 daledog  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:26:35pm

re: #93 Killgore Trout

I went. Didn’t spend a dime. I was not unwittingly supporting anyone.

121 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:26:36pm

re: #97 FrogMarch

Honestly, were the paul bots calling it a “tea party” back then?


Yes, really. Google ron paul tea party

They’ve been calling them Tea Parties since at least 2007.

122 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:27:00pm

OT:

Regarding my pracy hobby horse, Sec State Clinton made a statement on the matter today which can be read here (btw - The Obama admin has decided to rename “press releases” as “blog entries”. Change!)

To her credit she makes this statement :

But let me underscore this point: The United States does not make concessions or ransom payments to pirates.

But her next statement is engineered to mollify those who criticized Bush et al for being too “macho”

What we will do is first send an envoy to attend the international Somali peacekeeping and development meeting scheduled in Brussels.

But what really drew my attention was what was not mentioned - Al Shebaab. She goes to great pains to talk around them and the Islamists who control much of the coastline and who are deeply intertwined with the piracy and use funds from piracy to fund terror operations and imposition of Sharia. remember - these are the guys of “the Islamic Courts” movement that took over Somalia briefly and started running people through courts and chopping their heads off after 5 minute trials.

Read her statement - she speaks of the “Somali Government” as if Somalia were either governed or governable. It is a bit farcical to not acknowledge the chaos that is Somalia and that a major player there is the local Al Qaeda franchise.

But it makes sense - the Obama Admin will not acknowledge a nexus between Al Qaeda and any of its franchisees anywhere. They have yet to. I am not going to condemn that strategy yet because it could have some benefits and I haven’t thought them out yet. But it is clear that this administration will only say it is fighting terror in the broadest of senses, yet won’t brand any particular group (except Al Qaeda itself) as terrorists that they are in fact fighting. So Shabaab will simply be ignored and not acknowledged as a group vis a vis piracy even though it is at the center of it. Were she to say “Al Shabaab” she would be mentioning the name of a group on the State Depts terror list - a name that Bush put there and Obama won’t take off without drawing criticism. So it simply won’t be mentioned anymore.

123 Steffan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:27:02pm

re: #66 DhimmiMoore

That question was answered 144 years ago. If Perry actually said that, he’s posing.

124 jayzee  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:27:05pm

I think there are a lot of problems with these Tea Parties, one of them being those associating themselves with the movement. Another big issue with them is that they are trying to duplicate the success the left had in the previous election. You do not win by emulating your competition. They are probably better at what you are trying to imitate. We really need to develop our own strengths.

125 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:27:07pm

re: #110 jcm

Skull & Bones.
///

Of course - it’s always Skull and Bones, the Creature from Jeckyll Island, and of course the alien lizardoids.

126 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:27:27pm

More meltdowns coming. I can smell it.
Charles, I don’t always agree with you but I would never come into your house and call you names.

127 jcm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:27:36pm

Youtube Video

128 Dar ul Harbarian  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:27:39pm

re: #117 Buster Bunny

I wonder if Lipton is game to get into the act.

They could sell a lot of Tea.


“I want to give the world a Tea…and keep it company”?

“The Tea Generation”?

129 Sifty  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:27:41pm

re: #101 Killgore Trout

I bet some people from Stormfront went to see Watchmen too.

Should I have stayed at home?

130 Buster Bunny  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:27:54pm

re: #126 Jim in Virginia

More meltdowns coming. I can smell it.
Charles, I don’t always agree with you but I would never come into your house and call you names.

I think he answers to Charles.

131 MJBrutus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:28:00pm

re: #119 VioletTiger

I still don’t believe that all of these tea parties all over the country were organized by Paulians. Are there that many of these nutbags?
And how are these Ron Paul’s policies? Does he own ‘lower taxes’ and ‘stop wasteful spending?’

Yeah, he’s Ron Reagan’s and Newt Gringrich’s love child. Didn’t you hear?

/sarc

132 FrogMarch  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:28:03pm

re: #105 Charles

Yes. See the video at the top of this thread.

I Rick Santelli a Ron paul supporter?
cnbc.com

133 solomonpanting  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:28:07pm

re: #86 jcm

Succession was settled, rather bloodily IIRC.

Let’s fight over Prohibition again.
Let’s fight over slavery again.
C’mon. It’s only a matter of procuring the right judges.

134 pingjockey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:28:22pm

I’m working in Omak, Wa. today and they had a Tea Party at the courthouse, no Paulians in sight.

135 Gus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:28:30pm

re: #127 jcm

[Video]

Oh God that’s funny!

136 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:28:31pm

re: #129 Sifty

You are free to do whatever you want.

137 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:28:48pm

re: #116 loppyd

He may be all of those things, but he was nowhere near the tea parties we are hearing about from posters. I live in Boston and if the media here could find an angle to discredit anything having to do with the rallies they would. No mention of this loon or any other loons.

He may think he is the organizer, but he is mistaken.

The Boston Tea Party was organized through taxdayteaparty.com, which is Eric Odom’s site. See the earlier thead about Odom if you don’t know who he is.

138 Racer X  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:29:06pm

re: #122 karmic_inquisitor

Is Hillary Clinton a part of this administration? Hard to tell. She has been awfully quiet.

139 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:29:20pm

re: #137 Charles

The Boston Tea Party was organized through taxdayteaparty.com, which is Eric Odom’s site. See the earlier thead about Odom if you don’t know who he is.

There were two. Which one are you referring to?

140 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:29:23pm

To lighten the mood.

Youtube Video

141 wrenchwench  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:30:08pm

re: #134 pingjockey

I’m working in Omak, Wa. today and they had a Tea Party at the courthouse, no Paulians in sight.

I had a guy in my shop today who met his wife in Omak. Small world.

142 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:30:28pm

re: #139 loppyd

There were two. Which one are you referring to?

Massachusetts tea parties listed at Odom’s site:

taxdayteaparty.com

143 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:30:37pm

re: #66 DhimmiMoore

Gov. Rick Perry is now stating that Texas has the right to secede if they want…. states’ rights and conservative principles.

Uhh, what we in the South call The Late Unpleasantness resolved that particular issue. And “States rights”, 60 years ago, meant keeping the colored folks in their place.

144 FrogMarch  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:30:41pm

re: #121 Killgore Trout

Yes, really. Google ron paul tea party

They’ve been calling them Tea Parties since at least 2007.

first I’ve heard of it. but then, I don’t pay a lot of attention to Ron Paul.

145 VioletTiger  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:30:41pm

re: #121 Killgore Trout

The tea party idea became popular after Rick Santelli’s rant on the Chicago trading floor. He called for tea parties back in February.

146 pingjockey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:31:23pm

re: #141 wrenchwenchThat’s pretty crazy.

147 itellu3times  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:31:25pm

Crumpets? Weren’t there posts about crumpets the other day? I’m falling behind on my LGF reading.

American Idol, doncha know.

Oh yeah, and work.

And, y’know, stuff.

148 hiddenlizard  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:31:32pm

Dear Ronnie, S my D B.

Rick Santelli is indirectly responsible for these tea parties, not you (let me just note that Santelli is quoted as saying: “at the end of the day, I am an Ayn Rander”). RP is just a D-bag taking Ayn Rand’s political ideas and dropping the essential underlying philosophy and adding crazy anarchism, anti-americanism (love for the confederacy and sympathy for our Islamic enemies), and general stupidity. If he represents liberty, then consider me a communist.

It doesn’t matter that RP mouths some nice things about some subjects. Considering his background, he is AWFUL.

RP and any organizations or people he is associated with make capitalism look bad. I beg all of you, boycott them all (and all libertarians) and refrain from even explicitly speaking his name. These lice feed off random publicity.

149 Hutchip  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:32:01pm

Just back from the Hutchinson, Kansas Tea Party. Turnout of around 1,800 (according to one speaker). Sorry guys - no Luap Nor crap, anti-semitism or racism in sight. Just courteous fly-over folks frustrated with out-of-control government spending. The most inflammatory thing I saw was a sign that read “Commander in Thief”.

150 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:32:17pm

meltdown in 45 comments……mark.

151 KingKenrod  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:32:21pm

re: #119 VioletTiger

I still don’t believe that all of these tea parties all over the country were organized by Paulians. Are there that many of these nutbags?
And how are these Ron Paul’s policies? Does he own ‘lower taxes’ and ‘stop wasteful spending?’

Ron Paul called his effort to raise a bunch of money on the internet on one day in 2007 an effort similar to the Boston Tea Party.

ronpaulwiki.org

152 albusteve  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:32:41pm

so now the t parties are contaminated with kooks…what do we do about it?…the constant assemblage of bad kookiness just clogs the brain…what is the solution?…try and convince your neighbor who’s juiced that Ron paul is taking over the movement?….what if he never heard of RP?….I like hearing solutions….start a central info network?…but if RP already did that then what’s the use?….trashing the whole thing is okay with me but what is the alternative?

153 pingjockey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:33:02pm

re: #149 Hutchip
That’s about what I saw today out here in North Central Wa. state.

154 rightymouse  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:33:17pm

re: #121 Killgore Trout

Yes, really. Google ron paul tea party

They’ve been calling them Tea Parties since at least 2007.


Your average tea party goer today was likely energized by Rick Santelli’s tea party rant, not by Ron Paul. Everyone I know who has attended one doesn’t give a fig for Ron Paul.

155 Sifty  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:33:35pm

Doesn’t matter guys. We can stop defending ourselves.

We will never ever ever ever prove that we are not slaves to the elaborate machinations of the Ron Paul Organization.

We have been assimilated.

/

156 Steffan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:33:49pm

re: #92 Charles

You don’t. That’s the point.

But far too many people seem to just want to pretend this is not a problem, even when the guy who’s out there talking to the media, as the organizer of dozens of these groups, is a Paulian who publishes articles at New World Order websites.

Lets just ignore that, though. What could go wrong?

The MSM goes out of their way to interview those people, even if their only participation was to show up and talk to the media.

If this does morph into a third-party movement (which, after all, the GOP was in the 1850s when the Whigs fell apart), the MSM is going to be very unpleasantly surprised.

157 Racer X  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:33:53pm

Charles,

I know you are catching a lot of flak lately on this subject. I just want to let you know I really appreciate you taking time to report on the crazies - no matter which side they are on.

Thank You!

158 Boxy_brown  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:33:56pm

No Nazis, (No one waving a swastika or sig heiling, not even a pair of jackboots or a shaved head) no truthers (No loose change signs, no Ron paul revolution signs)… The speakers (that I heard) didn’t mention Ron Paul, “fiat currency” or any of his typical happy horseshit… If this was organized by Ron Paulbots they did a wholly incompetent job in getting their message across.

159 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:34:06pm

re: #132 FrogMarch

I[s] Rick Santelli a Ron paul supporter?
[Link: www.cnbc.com…]

I’d give more credit to Santelli for these tea parties, than Dr. P.

Of course, I would have put it to Charles with less of a ‘tude.

160 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:34:10pm

re: #142 Charles

Massachusetts tea parties listed at Odom’s site:

[Link: taxdayteaparty.com…]

That is not where I learned about the tea parties. It was on the radio and internet.

161 FrogMarch  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:34:12pm

re: #154 rightymouse

Your average tea party goer today was likely energized by Rick Santelli’s tea party rant, not by Ron Paul. Everyone I know who has attended one doesn’t give a fig for Ron Paul.

Indeed.

162 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:34:18pm

re: #114 JammieWearingFool

Now we’re getting stupid. Secession talk is just nuts and Perry better clarify that nonsense. Or he becomes Ron Paul by tomorrow.

I’ve listened to preachers
I’ve listened to fools
I’ve watched all the dropouts
Who make their own rules
One person conditioned to rule and control
The media sells it and you have the role

Mental wounds still screaming
Driving me insane
I’m going off the rails on a crazy train
Youtube Video

163 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:34:25pm

re: #61 astronmr20

I saw 3 or 3 in Charlotte. Out of a crowd estimated at 2,000.

I think it’s fine to point that out, but these things did not get hijacked by paulians or kooks, as far as I could tell.

All I saw in a crowd of 50 in Billings, MT was one Nirther. Everyone else had nicely made signs with correct spelling, and clear smiles.

164 SlartyBartfast  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:35:15pm
Success always brings company…

The expression is, “Success has many fathers but Failure is an orphan.”

Any politician who’s dumb enough to claim any part of these “Tea Parties” is missing the point—sorry, Congressman Beltway, you’re all disqualified.

Revolution is brewing…

165 Parker in US  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:35:20pm

Attended the Party in Lincoln, NE could not believe the turnout there had to be 1500-1800 people there. Big emphasis on spending and our children’s future and what we were leaving them. Most signs were pretty lame but seemed to have the enough spending and how can you vote for something you didn’t even read theme. I think Ben Nelson is in big trouble here based on what I saw we are not happy about his last minute swing vote on the spendulus bill. Other wise very good people very good time no tinfoil hats in the crowd. One thing to note when everybody was walking out there was guy standing out front trying to hand out literature I think he was running for City Council and I don’t think the crowd was any mood to listen to a politician I don’t think he could have given away hundred dollar bills. I think this is huge for this community most of the folks here are or were farmers and attending something like this is just not something we do around here. This is a Report From The Heartland of America. BTW nobody here ever heard of Eric Odom and I didn’t hear the name Ron Paul even once.

166 FrogMarch  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:35:26pm

re: #159 Noam Sayin’

I’d give more credit to Santelli for these tea parties, than Dr. P.

Of course, I would have put it to Charles with less of a ‘tude.

I was just asking - no tude’.

167 mj  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:35:39pm

re: #138 Racer X

Is Hillary Clinton a part of this administration? Hard to tell. She has been awfully quiet.

Clinton has no function at this point. She will however, be the party responsible for sticking it to the Jews when Obama sells out Israel during Israeli/Palestinian “peace negotiations” since Clinton has the necessary credentials to make it palpable to the organized Jewish “leadership”.

168 pingjockey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:35:40pm

IIRC, Texas has the right to divide itself into smaller states not seccede from the union.

169 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:35:43pm

re: #149 Hutchip

Just back from the Hutchinson, Kansas Tea Party. Turnout of around 1,800 (according to one speaker). Sorry guys - no Luap Nor crap, anti-semitism or racism in sight. Just courteous fly-over folks frustrated with out-of-control government spending. The most inflammatory thing I saw was a sign that read “Commander in Thief”.

Glad to hear that, but you should know that the Hutchinson event was also listed at Odom’s website.

170 jaunte  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:35:59pm

re: #114 JammieWearingFool

Gov. Rick Perry is not as smart as he’s acting.

171 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:36:00pm

re: #157 Racer X

Charles,

I know you are catching a lot of flak lately on this subject. I just want to let you know I really appreciate you taking time to report on the crazies - no matter which side they are on.

Thank You!

Fine to report on it, but I’m not staying away if there are only 5 or 6 of them. Today’s event where I attended was an awesome success IMO.

That said… I do appreciate it, too. The right-leaning blogosphere needs check valves and to be kept honest from time to time.

172 jayzee  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:36:37pm

re: #152 albusteve

so now the t parties are contaminated with kooks…what do we do about it?…the constant assemblage of bad kookiness just clogs the brain…what is the solution?…try and convince your neighbor who’s juiced that Ron paul is taking over the movement?….what if he never heard of RP?….I like hearing solutions….start a central info network?…but if RP already did that then what’s the use?….trashing the whole thing is okay with me but what is the alternative?

Voting? Here’s how I see it: We got some time before the next round of elections. Rather than going to tea parties because we are feeling marginalized, why not figure out and work to find people that can beat the liberals next time at bat on local, state and federal levels?

173 Adrenalyn  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:36:42pm

re: #168 pingjockey

IIRC, Texas has the right to divide itself into smaller states not seccede from the union.

sheesh, at 2 Senators per “state”
it could get interesting

just need 50,000 people per
right ?

174 VioletTiger  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:36:57pm

re: #151 KingKenrod

I get that part. What I am saying is he and his nutbags did not run the show today. Just because he has had these protests in the past and his followers may have had their claws in a few today, does not make them HIS. I don’t think he is that relevant. It certainly does not help having them involved, but it is not a good enough reason for citizens to give up their first amendment right to protest.

175 Sifty  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:37:06pm

re: #169 Charles

My God!

176 hazzyday  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:37:12pm

Headed to a Tea Party in a second. But I think the LGF lesson over the past year. One of them. Is to “Beware of Paulians bearing gifts”. Ron Paul supporters on the internet have shown themselves to be unethical, immoral types who if they had a chance to steal a vote laying on the floor, they would do it. If I’ve learned anything it is to be distrustful of a Paulian as much if not more of anyone from KoS. These are people who would turn on you in a snitch.

The GoP needs to protest when the MSM portrays Pat Buchanan or Ron Paul as holding any valid conservative beliefs. IF they don’t then people will assume whoever Fox news leads with and calls a conservative is the GoP spokesperson.

John Birchers: These are the old twisted farts who think everyone is a communist but them. And if you can’t prove it to them they want you dead. Change the communist label to Jew or Black and they are identical to a neo-nazi. It’s a closed mindset that doesn’t work well in an open society. If you want to understand ugly find a John Bircher. Don’t stand next to one in a rally.

177 pingjockey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:37:21pm

re: #173 Adrenalyn
No idea as to population per senator/represenative.

178 Buster Bunny  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:37:22pm

re: #157 Racer X

Charles,

I know you are catching a lot of flak lately on this subject. I just want to let you know I really appreciate you taking time to report on the crazies - no matter which side they are on.

Thank You!

I must admit .. from the linkys I got to travel to someone’s site (gee I cant remember which one) where they were asking you to make peace with Senor Roberto Spencer, for the sake of THE CAUSE.

And it made me realise that there are people out there who arent listening to whats being said and just believe that there is a world of kumbayah when it comes to right wing issues.

Keep up the good work Charles.

179 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:37:23pm

re: #166 FrogMarch

I was just asking - no tude’.

My bad. I should have read back for context.

180 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:37:31pm

re: #160 loppyd

That is not where I learned about the tea parties. It was on the radio and internet.

Again, my point is that nobody is taking pains to disassociate from the kooks. Instead, nearly every tea party in America chose to be listed at a website run by a Paulian who publishes articles on conspiracy hate sites. And this is the guy who is out there talking to the media.

181 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:37:45pm

re: #169 Charles

Glad to hear that, but you should know that the Hutchinson event was also listed at Odom’s website.

Oh noes! We’d better stay inside and hide!

182 Gus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:37:52pm

re: #152 albusteve

so now the t parties are contaminated with kooks…what do we do about it?…the constant assemblage of bad kookiness just clogs the brain…what is the solution?…try and convince your neighbor who’s juiced that Ron paul is taking over the movement?….what if he never heard of RP?….I like hearing solutions….start a central info network?…but if RP already did that then what’s the use?….trashing the whole thing is okay with me but what is the alternative?

Right. Having been somewhat involved with movements in the past I can say this. Conflicting ideologies are not uncommon within movements. Conflicting ideologies are not uncommon within movements. They reflect the diversity of people within the group and have never seen a movement with both a homogenous leadership and non-conflicting ideologies within that movement.

183 solomonpanting  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:37:58pm

re: #154 rightymouse

Your average tea party goer today was likely energized by Rick Santelli’s tea party rant, not by Ron Paul. Everyone I know who has attended one doesn’t give a fig for Ron Paul.

Perhaps one or two Paulians amongst thousands of “[Y]our average tea party goer[s]” is akin to the one drop rule.

184 fstrat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:38:03pm

I read a lot of concern here, and a lot of it is understandable and justified.

But I don’t see many suggestions.

Mike
teapartyrevolution.com

185 Racer X  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:38:17pm

re: #171 astronmr20

The right-leaning blogosphere needs check valves and to be kept honest from time to time.

Upding!

This is exactly what Charles does better than anyone else out there.

Period.

186 Gus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:38:54pm

re: #182 Gus 802

Right. Having been somewhat involved with movements in the past I can say this. Conflicting ideologies are not uncommon within movements. Conflicting ideologies leadership are not uncommon within movements. They reflect the diversity of people within the group and have never seen a movement with both a homogenous leadership and non-conflicting ideologies within that movement.

PIMF

187 albusteve  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:38:54pm

re: #172 jayzee

Voting? Here’s how I see it: We got some time before the next round of elections. Rather than going to tea parties because we are feeling marginalized, why not figure out and work to find people that can beat the liberals next time at bat on local, state and federal levels?

fine…why can’t people do both and why do you think they don’t?

188 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:38:55pm

re: #92 Charles

You don’t. That’s the point.

But far too many people seem to just want to pretend this is not a problem, even when the guy who’s out there talking to the media, as the organizer of dozens of these groups, is a Paulian who publishes articles at New World Order websites.

Lets just ignore that, though. What could go wrong?

I think that’s a good point. You are who you are seen with. Obama is largely based on who he involved himself with, why would we want to be in the same state.

189 pingjockey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:39:06pm

re: #180 Charles
Is this that Odom fool you’re speaking of? Just got of work Charles and too whupped to try and catch up. Plus the hotels computer keyboard is for shit!

190 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:39:18pm

re: #184 fstrat

I read a lot of concern here, and a lot of it is understandable and justified.

But I don’t see many suggestions.

Mike
teapartyrevolution.com

I suggest that people who organize tea parties should disassociate from people like Eric Odom.

191 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:39:30pm

Are the Paulians the ones with the Don’t Tread on Me flags? I saw quite a few of them there.

Also saw a sign that said “Phoroh [sic] was a Keynesian” whatever that was supposed to mean.

192 hiddenlizard  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:39:36pm

re: #17 jcm

Ron Paul signed the Declaration of Independence. The that jerk John Hancock signed over the top!

HAHAHAH

193 Buster Bunny  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:39:38pm

re: #185 Racer X

Upding!

This is exactly what Charles does better than anyone else out there.

Period.

Someone needs to. There is a lot of rhetoric and rubbish floating the internet ether at the moment.

Charles does a great job of sifting it, and presenting the real issues.

194 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:39:53pm

re: #190 Charles

I suggest that people who organize tea parties should disassociate from people like Eric Odom.

..So by showing up to one today, in your opinion, would we be associating with him?

195 JacksonTn  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:40:14pm

re: #172 jayzee

Voting? Here’s how I see it: We got some time before the next round of elections. Rather than going to tea parties because we are feeling marginalized, why not figure out and work to find people that can beat the liberals next time at bat on local, state and federal levels?

jayzee … one of the things I believe was accomplished by the Tea Parties … is that many average Americans … now know that they are not alone … from the trash we get from the msm it appears that everyone is blindly in love with Obama … I realize that there are crazy people at the parties but they seem to have been outnumbered by regular Americans … I suspect many people went home today feeling relieved and proud … knowing that they were not the only ones really sick and tired of what is happening to this country … I hope this continues and together march towards stopping the creep of socialism … which I feel is the real agenda of Obama and Pelosi, et al …

196 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:40:24pm

re: #169 Charles

I’m glad you like doing this stuff, Charles, because sometimes I think no one else is bringing these things to our attention. I didn’t know about this Odom character until I read about it here.

It’s the Emperor’s New Clothes over and over, and you are the little boy who says “but the emperor is naked!”

197 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:40:39pm

re: #191 Noam Sayin’

Are the Paulians the ones with the Don’t Tread on Me flags? I saw quite a few of them there.

Also saw a sign that said “Phoroh [sic] was a Keynesian” whatever that was supposed to mean.

Paulians are definitely drawn to that imagery, but they’re not the only ones using it.

198 Sifty  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:41:45pm

re: #194 astronmr20

I think Charles is calling for us all to tar and feather Eric Odom and Ron Paul and erase the Interwebnets before we can continue with this silly Tea party thing.


/

199 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:42:19pm

re: #196 Catttt

I’m glad you like doing this stuff, Charles, because sometimes I think no one else is bringing these things to our attention. I didn’t know about this Odom character until I read about it here.

It’s the Emperor’s New Clothes over and over, and you are the little boy who says “but the emperor is naked!”

Killgore Trout puts up with a helluva lot of crap too, and he’s been doing excellent work discovering some of this stuff.

If you read some of the nutbag stalker sites, they think he’s me. Or I’m him. Or vice versa.

200 MJBrutus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:42:45pm

re: #191 Noam Sayin’

Are the Paulians the ones with the Don’t Tread on Me flags? I saw quite a few of them there.

Also saw a sign that said “Phoroh [sic] was a Keynesian” whatever that was supposed to mean.

That “Pharoah” one is actually pretty clever, IMHO. Bascially Keynes said it doesn’t matter what the government spends money on, so long as it spends it. We may as well erect humongous pyramids to “stimulate” jobs and our economy according to him. It’s the same theory that says we should go out and break every window we see so that people will spend their money to have them replaced.

201 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:42:45pm

re: #183 solomonpanting

Perhaps one or two Paulians amongst thousands of “[Y]our average tea party goer[s]” is akin to the one drop rule.

Yep, but who do the press see. They will see the one or two fringe and paint the rest of them with the same brush.

202 twincitiesgirl  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:42:56pm

I saw an excerpt from one of the rallies in the southwest. The guy they interviewed was an older gentlemen with a cowboy hat and thin handlebar mustache curled at the ends. When they asked him why he was attending the tea party his eyes rolled around in his head, Charles Manson style, and said “God, Guns, and Guts!” He went on a venom filled rant about how we need guts to take back our country—he was very scary.

I’m sure the majority of the rallies were filled with fed up taxpayers, we need to be careful not to be deterred by the nutjobs out there. If our elected officials see people from every walk of life telling them the same thing, they’ll have no choice but to listen.

203 jayzee  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:43:13pm

re: #187 albusteve

fine…why can’t people do both and why do you think they don’t?

I have no problem with rallies, I just feel we should stay away from those that are the result of knee jerk reactions. If we are going to learn from the libs, maybe it should be that we need to be cognizant of the fact we are always campaigning for the next election. These “non partisan” tea parties will do nothing but make Republicans and Conservatives look nuts and may even pave the way for a third party candidate that will ensure a much longer lib run government than I really want to see.

204 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:43:14pm

re: #167 mj

Clinton has no function at this point.


Clinton has a very important role. She is there to be blamed when Obama screws up internationally.

205 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:43:15pm

re: #194 astronmr20

..So by showing up to one today, in your opinion, would we be associating with him?

Try reading what I wrote.

206 VioletTiger  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:43:20pm

Question—Are there a lot of Paulians in Texas in general, or just in his district?

207 Timbre  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:43:53pm

The first few responses are unnerving, in my opinion.

208 Buster Bunny  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:43:54pm

re: #199 Charles

I refrain from nutbag stalker sites. They can rub off on you .. and before you know it you are wearing the tinfoil hat .. and looking for Reds under the Bed.

209 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:44:03pm

re: #180 Charles

Again, my point is that nobody is taking pains to disassociate from the kooks. Instead, nearly every tea party in America chose to be listed at a website run by a Paulian who publishes articles on conspiracy hate sites. And this is the guy who is out there talking to the media.

I have never seen this man in my life. I heard about him here.

I think most people have no idea there are kooks to disassociate with at all - is that their fault? Should an average, fed-up taxpayer look up all of the contact information on a site that they may or may not have been sent or linked to?

210 pingjockey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:44:04pm

re: #199 Charles
Paulians don’t like the light of truth/fact shone on them. Sunlight is the best disenfectant.

211 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:44:23pm

Got that, America? You were duped by Ron Paul into exercising your Constitutional freedom of assembly. I heard it on the internet. Al Gore invented the internet. I am so f***ed!

212 fstrat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:44:25pm

re: #180 Charles

Again, my point is that nobody is taking pains to disassociate from the kooks. Instead, nearly every tea party in America chose to be listed at a website run by a Paulian who publishes articles on conspiracy hate sites. And this is the guy who is out there talking to the media.

Not quite. I’ve already explained our position on this. The folks who help with our site at teapartyrevolution.com are ordinary grass-roots people.

There are tea parties listed on our site that are after April 15. 20 or 30 of them. April 15 is all taxdayteaparty is doing. For now course.

I do think your concern is valid.

What do you suggest we do?

213 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:44:30pm

re: #191 Noam Sayin’

Are the Paulians the ones with the Don’t Tread on Me flags? I saw quite a few of them there.

Also saw a sign that said “Phoroh [sic] was a Keynesian” whatever that was supposed to mean.

Paulians do signs that say “Hitler was a Keynesian.” Maybe they were trying for Adolph?

214 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:45:05pm

re: #197 Charles

Paulians are definitely drawn to that imagery, but they’re not the only ones using it.

I saw a couple dozen of those flags; the yellow ones with the snake, and the snake on red ‘n’ white stripes. I also saw a fair number of small “hand flags” and one out ‘n’ out Ron Paul supporter with one of the big yellow ones, who as I reported on the last thread, wore a bandana over his face. He got the stink-eye from a few folks, but most paid him no attention.

215 rightymouse  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:45:13pm

re: #183 solomonpanting

Perhaps one or two Paulians amongst thousands of “[Y]our average tea party goer[s]” is akin to the one drop rule.

Ron Paul can go eff himself. He’s getting the press because he’s a loon. The decent folk who just want to be heard and aren’t used to getting in people’s faces are being drowned out and that really annoys me.

216 MJBrutus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:45:18pm

re: #210 pingjockey

Paulians don’t like the light of truth/fact shone on them. Sunlight is the best disenfectant.

Oliver Wendell Holmes, right?

217 Buster Bunny  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:45:33pm

re: #210 pingjockey

Paulians don’t like the light of truth/fact shone on them. Sunlight is the best disenfectant.

There is a whole group of people out there who are allowed to RANT without fear of being brought into line. Yes .. bring them into the light .. you’ll find that a lot of them just die under the truth of literacy.

218 Racer X  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:45:35pm

re: #199 Charles

Killgore Trout puts up with a helluva lot of crap too, and he’s been doing excellent work discovering some of this stuff.

If you read some of the nutbag stalker sites, they think he’s me. Or I’m him. Or vice versa.

True. I don’t agree with everything KT posts. Doesn’t mean I wouldn’t go fishing with him.

Thanks to you too Killgore!

219 fstrat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:45:36pm

re: #190 Charles

I suggest that people who organize tea parties should disassociate from people like Eric Odom.

What about all the sites promoting his site?

220 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:46:04pm

Tea Party Photos: Tax Day Protests From Across The Country (SLIDESHOW)

End the Fed (with a link to a Paulian site)
Obama = Hitler (Always classy)
Revolution (Ron Paul slogan or sedition? Either way it’s anti-American)

Some guy dressed up like Jesus.

Stop murdering babies.

“Freeloading Illegals are Raping Taxpayers” (That one looks photoshopped)

“Taxpayers are the Jews for Obama’s Ovens” (My personal favorite)


Way to keep it classy, folks. Now remind me why this is any better than the LLL protests we’ve seen over the years.

221 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:46:09pm

re: #197 Charles

Paulians are definitely drawn to that imagery, but they’re not the only ones using it.

I carried that flag in my town’s bicentennial parade in 1976. I was six.

222 pingjockey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:46:12pm

re: #216 MJBrutus
I honestly don’t remember!

223 jayzee  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:46:29pm

re: #213 Catttt

Paulians do signs that say “Hitler was a Keynesian.” Maybe they were trying for Adolph?

Pharoh? For a Passover theme?

224 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:46:29pm

re: #205 Charles

Try reading what I wrote.

Which post? I may have missed it.

So I’ll ask again;

In your opinion, by showing up to these events, do you think we are associating with Odom?

225 Gus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:46:30pm

re: #196 Catttt

I’m glad you like doing this stuff, Charles, because sometimes I think no one else is bringing these things to our attention. I didn’t know about this Odom character until I read about it here.

It’s the Emperor’s New Clothes over and over, and you are the little boy who says “but the emperor is naked!”

I first saw Odom on Youtube and found him off-putting. Something like intuition took over and I was frankly turned off just by that first video. His association should be of concern and his politic confronted. However I don’t think he makes up the whole of the Tea Party “movement” if you will. Maybe I’m wrong.

226 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:46:48pm

re: #199 Charles

If you read some of the nutbag stalker sites, they think he’s me. Or I’m him. Or vice versa.


Either way I take it as a compliment.

227 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:46:48pm

re: #219 fstrat

What about all the sites promoting his site?

Well, that’s a problem, isn’t it?

229 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:46:49pm

BBL…

230 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:47:06pm

re: #220 Killgore Trout

Revolution (Ron Paul slogan or sedition? Either way it’s anti-American)

Beatles song? /

231 alegrias  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:47:35pm

Ron Paul doesn’t speak for me, nor do I know about his modus operandi nor follow his tea parties if that’s what his people did.

I was glad to protest peaceably today and see many other people of many races, colors, creeds who care enough to brave crappy downpours and gray gloom to make their point.

232 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:47:35pm

re: #224 astronmr20

Which post? I may have missed it.

It’s that one you quoted.

233 Bloodnok  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:47:45pm

re: #220 Killgore Trout

It’s too bad they didn’t get the guy I saw in Boston with the Obama mask, flesh colored body stocking, tighty-whiteys worn on the outside and an “Elmo from Sesame Street” balloon.

234 pingjockey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:48:11pm

re: #220 Killgore Trout
That is just a pisser. The ‘real’ people who want to voice their displeasure as is our right are being overrun by Paulians, nutbars, loons, etc…Damn.

235 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:48:14pm

re: #230 Catttt

Thanks for the laugh.

236 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:48:23pm

re: #220 Killgore Trout

Tea Party Photos: Tax Day Protests From Across The Country (SLIDESHOW)

End the Fed (with a link to a Paulian site)
Obama = Hitler (Always classy)
Revolution (Ron Paul slogan or sedition? Either way it’s anti-American)

Some guy dressed up like Jesus.

Stop murdering babies.

“Freeloading Illegals are Raping Taxpayers” (That one looks photoshopped)

“Taxpayers are the Jews for Obama’s Ovens” (My personal favorite)

Way to keep it classy, folks. Now remind me why this is any better than the LLL protests we’ve seen over the years.

They’re all leftist plants, of course.

237 Van Helsing  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:48:34pm

re: #220 Killgore Trout

Tea Party Photos: Tax Day Protests From Across The Country (SLIDESHOW)

End the Fed (with a link to a Paulian site)
Obama = Hitler (Always classy)
Revolution (Ron Paul slogan or sedition? Either way it’s anti-American)

Some guy dressed up like Jesus.

Stop murdering babies.

“Freeloading Illegals are Raping Taxpayers” (That one looks photoshopped)

“Taxpayers are the Jews for Obama’s Ovens” (My personal favorite)

Way to keep it classy, folks. Now remind me why this is any better than the LLL protests we’ve seen over the years.

No giant puppets? Less body odor?

238 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:48:40pm

re: #199 Charles

Killgore Trout puts up with a helluva lot of crap too, and he’s been doing excellent work discovering some of this stuff.

If you read some of the nutbag stalker sites, they think he’s me. Or I’m him. Or vice versa.

Silly nutters. You and Killgore are both lovely gentlemen, but you’re not each other. :D

239 daledog  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:48:42pm

Eric Odom spoke at the Chicago Tea Party today. I never heard of him until today. I don’t have the time to do due diligence on every person involved in every event I attend. I gave up idealogical purity long ago.

240 Sifty  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:48:43pm

re: #220 Killgore Trout

All the really classy people were busy making fun of us protesters.

241 pingjockey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:49:00pm

re: #228 Dahveed
That flag is reserved for the oldest commisioned ship in active service.

242 avspatti  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:49:07pm

re: #169 Charles

Glad to hear that, but you should know that the Hutchinson event was also listed at Odom’s website.

I don’t understand that comment. Can’t anyone list any event at his own website? Doesn’t necessarily mean anything imo. Just like anyone can endorse any politician for office without ‘permission’ from the pol.

243 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:49:13pm

re: #235 Killgore Trout

Thanks for the laugh.

You know what they say - I’m dancing as fast as I can. :D

244 Parker in US  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:49:16pm

You can say what you want about Ron Paul (not a supporter myself) but you have to give him credit after he started talking about that little thing called the constitution. People actually started to dig the damn thing out and start reading it. I think the MSM has sold the public on the idea that it was just some old document put together by a bunch of old crazy guys a couple hundred years ago and it didn’t have any meaning anymore. I am shocked at how many people are talking about it these days.

245 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:49:18pm

re: #220 Killgore Trout

Yes, there are Ron Paul signs too.

246 JacksonTn  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:49:18pm

re: #220 Killgore Trout

Killgore … way to pull all the bad apples out of a whole bushel of good ones … which can make a perfectly good pie … I know I will probably get dinged down for this … but I said the other night … you seem to be getting some sort of pleasure at focusing on the crazy people that attend … while not giving enough credit to the average Americans who showed up … just in support of this country and their families … do I think we should deny that the Ron Paul people attended … no … but why not focus on the positive and go from there …

247 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:49:52pm

re: #220 Killgore Trout

Because someone took the time to find one or two in a crowd of thousands and posted them.

Don’t for one minute think this makes events like these the same as what Zombie covers.

Next, will you link to pictures of bathroom walls in rest areas and admonish us for “staying classy” if we take a shit in there?

248 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:50:00pm

re: #207 Timbre

The first few responses are unnerving, in my opinion.

Sodomite Trilateralists?
The Trilateral Commission is soooo 1976.

249 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:50:29pm

re: #237 Van Helsing

No giant puppets? Less body odor?


Huffpo has video of the security incident at the White House and one of the protesters is dressed in tights and a cape like superman.

250 Gus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:50:40pm

re: #220 Killgore Trout

Tea Party Photos: Tax Day Protests From Across The Country (SLIDESHOW)

===snip===

Way to keep it classy, folks. Now remind me why this is any better than the LLL protests we’ve seen over the years.

Here’s a non-partisan collection of Tea Party events across the country.

Some great photos in this link. Much better then what was spun at the Huffington Post link you present.

251 Timbre  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:50:40pm

Charles: I link to this only as evidence to others that you are correct in your assessment of the overall issue of Tea Parties. If you do not want the link, I know you will remove it and I’ll support your decision.

252 arielle  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:50:48pm

I would have liked to have gone to a rally, but my ten month old daughter decided to sleep through it. It’s all I can do to keep up with LGF on a daily basis.

253 HoosierHoops  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:50:49pm

re: #210 pingjockey

Paulians don’t like the light of truth/fact shone on them. Sunlight is the best disenfectant.

Did you go to the site Charles linked? Check this out ping..Front and center is a banner that says there is a Revolution brewing…
During all the crazy stuff the Lib’s said during the Bush years…Bush lied..we Torture..Wiretapping…Every crazy thing under the Sun.. I don’t recall anyone from the opposition party fermenting Revolution as a battle cry..
That is over the top by orders of magnitude

254 alegrias  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:50:51pm

re: #221 loppyd

I carried that flag in my town’s bicentennial parade in 1976. I was six.

* * * *
Because that imagery of the 13 original states as a cut up snake was revolutionary!

255 Buster Bunny  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:50:55pm

re: #246 JacksonTn

Killgore … way to pull all the bad apples out of a whole bushel of good ones … which can make a perfectly good pie … I know I will probably get dinged down for this … but I said the other night … you seem to be getting some sort of pleasure at focusing on the crazy people that attend … while not giving enough credit to the average Americans who showed up … just in support of this country and their families … do I think we should deny that the Ron Paul people attended … no … but why not focus on the positive and go from there …

Jackson .. ding from me. Regardless of who attended .. the important bit would be the average man who got up today to say he stands up and is willing to protest to keep America free and with a working constitution.

256 jester6  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:51:16pm

I did not vote for Ron Paul. I thought he was a kook.

But Ron Paul was the only person repeatedly warning us that (1) the Chinese were going to stop buying our debt and (2) the Fed was going to start printing money. These predictions, along with his prediction that we were about to debase our currency were considered kookery to most people, including myself.

Well, at least on this issue, the kook was dead right.

The Chinese purchased %75 of our our new debt in 1Q2008. The only purchased %2.7 of our new debt 1Q2009. americanthinker.com

The Fed has started the process of purchasing $300 billion in US treasuries with printed money. marketwatch.com

While reasonable people like those on this website are debating the tactics of these tea party folk, the US government, with the help of elements of both parties, is destroying our currency and economy.

If this isn’t an example of “arranging the deck chairs on the titantic” I don’t know what is.

257 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:51:17pm

re: #247 astronmr20

Because someone took the time to find one or two in a crowd of thousands and posted them.


Funny, I don’t recall you stating that opinion on zombie’s protest threads.

258 pingjockey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:51:45pm

re: #226 Killgore Trout
I’m glad I’m out here in the sticks. No goddamned idiots showed up at the rallies/protests.

259 VioletTiger  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:51:56pm

re: #220 Killgore Trout
Killgore—this is from the Huffington Post. Not exactly a non-biased site. I wouldn’t expect them to show anything moderate or respectful.

260 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:52:18pm

Like I said earlier, the rally here looked pretty good and normal, but one Nirther spoils the setup. Just one being there shows that there is a chance there is more. And then everyone winds up looking like crap.

261 lincolntf  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:52:38pm

re: #242 avspatti

Yeah. The one I went to was hosted by a very specific group of people (the ones who paid for the permit, brought the P.A. stuff, etc.). But I found listings for it on every website imaginable that mentioned Tea Parties. Lots of people took it upon themselves to compile and link to lists of as many Tea Parties as they could find. Most of it was probably well-intentioned, but the trolls are always out there.

262 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:52:44pm

re: #254 alegrias

* * * *
Because that imagery of the 13 original states as a cut up snake was revolutionary!

True story: I cried because I hate snakes and wanted to carry the Thirteen Star flag.

263 sleepyone  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:52:46pm

At the risk of being pelted with rotten tomatoes I can’t say that I’m familiar with why Ron Paul is so dismissed around here and other places. I don’t know anything about him other than he was running for the Republican nomination and he’s from Texas. Aside from that, I never did pay attention to him. Is he the right’s equivalent of Jeremiah Wright or something?

Can anyone enlighten me or point me to a site the highlights his kookiness?

264 Boxy_brown  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:52:49pm

Well…. Boxy will never be corrupted by stormfront jackasses or the Paul kooks… It was nice though to see average people out waving the flag and showing concern for the country. Among many who fancy themselves sophisticated, patriotism has become something to be embarrassed about or at least considered antiquated. Anything that calls BS on that is a good thing. Glad I went. BBL

265 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:52:49pm

re: #250 Gus 802

Here’s a non-partisan collection of Tea Party events across the country.

Some great photos in this link. Much better then what was spun at the Huffington Post link you present.

Like this one? It took all of 2 seconds on your link to find that. I could do this all day.

266 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:53:20pm

re: #246 JacksonTn

Showing up is all well and good, but it accomplishes nothing but feeling cool about showing up.


“Knowing is not enough, you must apply; willing is not enough, you must do.”

~Bruce Lee

267 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:53:36pm

I see that Huffington Post got an awful lot of material from the tea parties.

huffingtonpost.com

268 pingjockey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:53:36pm

re: #253 HoosierHoops
Well…..Thomas Jefferson said a little revolution is a good thing.///
Seriously it’s too bad that the people with real concerns are being drowned out by the assholes.

269 fstrat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:53:48pm

re: #227 Charles

Well, that’s a problem, isn’t it?

It can be, and I’ll be the first to admit we do cross-link with them, so people have as much information as possible, but we do not promote them like malkin, tcot, pajama’s media and other sites. We don’t promote anyone except our own list, platform and discussions board.

It’s a huge challenge for us for sure. And a lot of work.

270 Dahveed  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:54:00pm

re: #241 pingjockey

It’s Wikipedia so I don’t know how true it is, but according to the site all naval vessels were instructed by the Secretary of the Navy to fly the flag during the Global War on Terrorism.

271 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:54:07pm

re: #257 Killgore Trout

Funny, I don’t recall you stating that opinion on zombie’s protest threads.

Zombie’s threads had a lot more than one or two kooks at those events, Kilgore. I thought you knew that.

That’s okay. Hide inside and play armchair general while Obama spends your grandkids’ money.

272 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:54:25pm

And now, we have Ron Paul supporters suddenly feeling comfortable again about posting at LGF.

Are we having fun yet?

273 itsjustme  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:54:32pm

It feels like Charles is trying to separate himself from any movement that has whackos associated with it, as whackos hurt the cause. For instance, creationists are killing the GOP, Ron Paul is ruining the tea party movement.

You will never be able to separate loonies from any movement. If anyone has ever attended a meeting about anything political, there is ALWAYS one nut in the room that loves to hear himself talk. That is unfortunate, but does not diminish the message.

What’s amazing is on the left, the loonies are elder statesmen of the party, i.e. Al Gore. On the right, it’s usually a much looser connection from someone who has never led the conservative movement, i.e. Ron Paul.

I’m concerned that Charles’ desire to throw the baby out with the bath water is a reaction to the mainstream press’ long term approach of demonizing the right by finding kooks and calling them the standard bearers of the movement.

I refuse to waste time distancing myself from loonies in order to please the mainstream press. The message is right, and it’s clear, and the opposition is trying to distract the discussion with sideshow freaks that they claim are representative of us all. I’ve had it, and I’m not going to engage in that discussion. Unfortunately, I think Charles subconsciously has taken the bait, and is trying to prove his purity of position. I believe in your purity of position, Charles, even if I don’t always agree with you.

274 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:54:38pm

WE NEED A THIRD PARTY.

275 alegrias  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:54:39pm

re: #262 loppyd

True story: I cried because I hate snakes and wanted to carry the Thirteen Star flag.

* * * * *
Awwww. It is a scary snake image. Sorry they didn’t let you carry the other flag. Plus, no wonder you cried. Snakes eat loppies.

276 JacksonTn  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:54:41pm

re: #266 Catttt

Showing up is all well and good, but it accomplishes nothing but feeling cool about showing up.

~Bruce Lee

Cattt … showing up at least is the first step … in the right direction …

277 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:54:48pm

re: #265 Killgore Trout

Another one. Oh noes! Amerika iz kaput

278 Aviator  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:54:52pm

Medea Benjamin and Code Pinkers showed up at one. Does not mean the other protesters were associated with them.
Loon

279 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:54:55pm

re: #263 sleepyone

At the risk of being pelted with rotten tomatoes I can’t say that I’m familiar with why Ron Paul is so dismissed around here and other places. I don’t know anything about him other than he was running for the Republican nomination and he’s from Texas. Aside from that, I never did pay attention to him. Is he the right’s equivalent of Jeremiah Wright or something?

Can anyone enlighten me or point me to a site the highlights his kookiness?

Plenty to read here:

littlegreenfootballs.com

280 Buster Bunny  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:54:56pm

re: #263 sleepyone


Sorry you arent informed enough. But any decent search on Youtube will provide you with enough raw material to make youself realise why Ron Paul is singled out as the maestro of kookiness.

281 Gus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:55:04pm

re: #265 Killgore Trout

Like this one? It took all of 2 seconds on your link to find that. I could do this all day.

Nothing wrong with that. His shirt says:

NO FREE MAN SHALL EVER BE DEBARRED THE USE OF ARMS.

With a couple of images of some weapons.

You think that’s wrong?

282 Egregious Philbin  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:55:35pm

The Ronulans bitched and moaned about being taken seriously. So Ron Paul (peace be unto him) ran for president, and no one, outside of the funny fringe voted for him.

Mandate? They are soaking in it!


Too bad their conspiracy minds can’t contemplate that America does not want Ron Paul, hell, he can’t even get double digits. The LP can’t even get 1 digit.

Ron, go home.

283 pingjockey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:55:38pm

re: #272 Charles
Yaaaay, beer! Red Stripe commercial.

284 Parker in US  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:55:45pm

re: #180 Charles

Again, my point is that nobody is taking pains to disassociate from the kooks. Instead, nearly every tea party in America chose to be listed at a website run by a Paulian who publishes articles on conspiracy hate sites. And this is the guy who is out there talking to the media.

Charles,

I’m sorry you assume that Paulian website got everyone’s OK or endorsement before the site listed their party?

285 daledog  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:55:57pm

re: #270 Dahveed

Dahveed,
Eric Odom was wearing a Cubs hat at the rally today. Thankfully, I’m a White Sox fan. But wait, 0bama is a White Sox fan. What to do?

Daledog

286 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:56:01pm

re: #242 avspatti

Just like anyone can endorse any politician for office without ‘permission’ from the pol.


But most sane polticians, when endorsed by someone like David Duke, have the sense to disavow that sort of support. Even Obama threw Rev Wright under the bus.
What will the tea parties accomplish? They made a lot of people feel good. What’s next? Can it translate into a political platform and a roster of solid candidates?

287 Steffan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:56:03pm

re: #214 Noam Sayin’

I saw a couple dozen of those flags; the yellow ones with the snake, and the snake on red ‘n’ white stripes. I also saw a fair number of small “hand flags” and one out ‘n’ out Ron Paul supporter with one of the big yellow ones, who as I reported on the last thread, wore a bandana over his face. He got the stink-eye from a few folks, but most paid him no attention.

Yellow with snake is the Gadsden Flag. It dates from 1775.

Stripes with snake is the First Navy Jack. Until 9/11 it was flown by the oldest active ship in the US Navy (apart from Constitution). Until very recently that ship was the aircraft carrier USS Kitty Hawk. Since 9/11, every ship in the US Navy flies it as a pointed reminder of what happens when the Jacksonians are pissed off.

288 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:56:07pm

re: #267 Charles

That’s biased information. The Tea Partiers aren’t buying it. They are all staged, out of context or something.

289 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:56:09pm

re: #276 JacksonTn

Cattt … showing up at least is the first step … in the right direction …

Not if you just turn around and go back home, and I personally don’t see any goal here, so where else are these folks going to go?

290 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:56:25pm

re: #251 Timbre

Charles: I link to this only as evidence to others that you are correct in your assessment of the overall issue of Tea Parties. If you do not want the link, I know you will remove it and I’ll support your decision.

Ugh. I’ll leave that link up. There are apparently some people at LGF who will even find excuses for that.

291 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:56:32pm

re: #228 Dahveed

That’s the one.

292 Buster Bunny  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:56:39pm

re: #272 Charles

Actually Charles you are right. I cant believe anyone coming in here and not knowing anything about Ron Paul. Sounds too much like a supporter for my liking.

Well spotted.

293 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:56:41pm

re: #281 Gus 802

Nothing wrong with that. His shirt says:

NO FREE MAN SHALL EVER BE DEBARRED THE USE OF ARMS.

With a couple of images of some weapons.

You think that’s wrong?

It’s okay. Kilgore is skeered of evul guns and skeered that Huffpo will criticize the events.

294 Racer X  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:56:45pm

re: #265 Killgore Trout

Like this one? It took all of 2 seconds on your link to find that. I could do this all day.

Cool shirt.

What was your point?

295 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:57:06pm

re: #273 itsjustme

I believe in your purity of position, Charles, even if I don’t always agree with you.

It’s not “purity” to refuse to dive into a sewer.

296 Gus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:57:12pm

re: #293 astronmr20

It’s okay. Kilgore is skeered of evul guns and skeered that Huffpo will criticize the events.

He must not believe in the 2nd Amendment.

297 sleepyone  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:57:16pm

re: #279 Sharmuta

Plenty to read here:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Thanks. I’ll check it out. I guess I missed most of the Paul threads.

298 alegrias  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:57:45pm

re: #267 Charles

I see that Huffington Post got an awful lot of material from the tea parties.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]

* * * *
What, they deserve to decide what to report?

Who am I going to believe was at these protests in the VAST MAJORITY, selected photos of kooks and theHuffington Post, or my own lying eyes?

299 jayzee  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:57:49pm

re: #256 jester6

I did not vote for Ron Paul. I thought he was a kook.

But Ron Paul was the only person repeatedly warning us that (1) the Chinese were going to stop buying our debt and (2) the Fed was going to start printing money. These predictions, along with his prediction that we were about to debase our currency were considered kookery to most people, including myself.

Well, at least on this issue, the kook was dead right.

The Chinese purchased %75 of our our new debt in 1Q2008. The only purchased %2.7 of our new debt 1Q2009. [Link: www.americanthinker.com…]

The Fed has started the process of purchasing $300 billion in US treasuries with printed money. [Link: www.marketwatch.com…]

While reasonable people like those on this website are debating the tactics of these tea party folk, the US government, with the help of elements of both parties, is destroying our currency and economy.

If this isn’t an example of “arranging the deck chairs on the titantic” I don’t know what is.

Actually, and there is more to the statistics you mentioned.

300 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:57:57pm

re: #275 alegrias

* * * * *
Awwww. It is a scary snake image. Sorry they didn’t let you carry the other flag. Plus, no wonder you cried. Snakes eat loppies.

:)

I was able to carry the other flag in another parade which was smaller, but I ended up in a picture in the local paper.

301 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:58:03pm

re: #257 Killgore Troutre: #247 astronmr20

Because someone took the time to find one or two in a crowd of thousands and posted them.

Funny, I don’t recall you stating that opinion on zombie’s protest threads.

zombie didn’t “take the time to find one or two [crazies] in a crowd of thousands” and post them. zombie posted pics of the thousands of nuts in the crowds of thousands that the MSM went far, far out of their way to avoid letting the nation see.

There is no analogy. None at all.

302 tradewind  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:58:08pm

Whenever I see the name Ron Paul in print, pictures of spray-painted utility poles and graffiti on public overpasses flash in my mind.
Those were the main images his supporters left in this part of the country, at least.

303 HoosierHoops  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:58:12pm

re: #271 astronmr20

Zombie’s threads had a lot more than one or two kooks at those events, Kilgore. I thought you knew that.

That’s okay. Hide inside and play armchair general while Obama spends your grandkids’ money.

Watch your tone Pal..
You’ve always acted like a dick, little smart ass to me..You start that shit on Zombie we are going to have an issue.. do we understand each other?

304 MJBrutus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:58:14pm

re: #272 Charles

And now, we have Ron Paul supporters suddenly feeling comfortable again about posting at LGF.

Are we having fun yet?

Egads, I am getting tired of this freaking paranoia! Oooh look, some scary RP types are over there. And look, the HuffPO is writing bad things about us. And what will CNN say?

You’re right Charles. Let’s all just lock our doors, pull down the shades on the windows and sit real still so nobody will know we’re here.

Who fucking cares! I am pissed off at my government’s irresponsibly squandering our wealth and condemning us to a future of crushing poverty and I want them to know it!

305 sleepyone  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:58:18pm

re: #280 Buster Bunny

Sorry you arent informed enough. But any decent search on Youtube will provide you with enough raw material to make youself realise why Ron Paul is singled out as the maestro of kookiness.

Thanks. I didn’t know he had videos on You Tube. I’ll check them out. I assume he has a site but figured it wouldn’t give me the real story.

306 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:58:21pm

re: #295 Charles

It’s not “purity” to refuse to dive into a sewer.

This must be exhausting.

307 JacksonTn  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:58:24pm

re: #289 Catttt

Not if you just turn around and go back home, and I personally don’t see any goal here, so where else are these folks going to go?

Cattt … we are not going to see eye to eye on this so I will just say this and that is all to you about it … I cannot see inside the peoples hearts and minds that attended … I do not know where it will go or what fire it will light … I hope a percentage will take it back to their districts continue to organize and vote … but we will see …

308 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:58:54pm

re: #298 alegrias

* * * *
What, they deserve to decide what to report?

Who am I going to believe was at these protests in the VAST MAJORITY, selected photos of kooks and theHuffington Post, or my own lying eyes?

Cool — so just ignore it all! What could go wrong?

309 pingjockey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:58:56pm

re: #287 Steffan
Hey I didn’t know that! Cool.

310 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:58:59pm

re: #301 Taqiyyotomist

There is no analogy. None at all.


Heh, Ok. Good luck with that.

311 tradewind  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:59:02pm

re: #286 Jim in Virginia

Even Obama threw Rev Wright under the bus…
Maybe, but it was a damn slow pitch.

312 Dahveed  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:59:11pm

re: #285 daledog

Dahveed,
Eric Odom was wearing a Cubs hat at the rally today. Thankfully, I’m a White Sox fan. But wait, 0bama is a White Sox fan. What to do?

Daledog

Become a Brewers fan.
/

313 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:59:17pm

BBL

Lost starts in one minute.

314 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:59:28pm

re: #274 NYCHardhat

WE NEED A THIRD PARTY.

And there begins the problem. I heard Newt talking third party today and almost got sick. Doesn’t anyone understand that Third party always takes away enough from one side to ensure liberal victory. I’d love to see a viable third party, but there are two many people that vote party line to make it work. All we’d guarantee is eternal liberal domination.

315 jaunte  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:59:38pm

Results 1 - 10 of about 1,240,000 for ‘Ron Paul crazy’
google.com

316 jayzee  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:00:01pm

re: #274 NYCHardhat

WE NEED A THIRD PARTY.

Cool, then we can get 12 more years of liberal Dem rule.

317 Gus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:00:05pm

re: #277 Killgore Trout

Another one. Oh noes! Amerika iz kaput

You’re being selective. Have you ever been to a protest? For anything?

318 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:00:29pm

re: #303 HoosierHoops

Watch your tone Pal..
You’ve always acted like a dick, little smart ass to me..You start that shit on Zombie we are going to have an issue.. do we understand each other?


Excuse me? Watch YOUR tone. You must have me confused with someone else.

Did you misunderstand my post, or are you replying to someone else? I didn’t criticize zombie, I took major exception to Kilgore comparing Huffpo’s smears to Zombie’s coverage.

Re-read and apologize.

319 sleepyone  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:00:44pm

re: #279 Sharmuta

Plenty to read here:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Ahhh. One of those threads jogged my memory a bit. I do seem to recall that some neo-nazis were endorsing him and even knowing their positions he still did not reject their endorsement. At least that’s what I recall.

320 Steffan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:01:20pm

re: #236 Charles

They’re all leftist plants, of course.

There were threads on the Kos Kidz diaries about “infiltrating” tea party protests today.

321 HoosierHoops  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:01:46pm

re: #318 astronmr20

Excuse me? Watch YOUR tone. You must have me confused with someone else.

Did you misunderstand my post, or are you replying to someone else? I didn’t criticize zombie, I took major exception to Kilgore comparing Huffpo’s smears to Zombie’s coverage.

Re-read and apologize.

OK sorry.. I thought you were being insulting to Zom..
My bad

322 Sifty  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:01:52pm

We just ain’t smart enough to do this on our own, folks. That is the lesson of today’s discussion.

we are doomed to failure. doomed to fall victim to Ron Paul and nazis and Birchers and nirthers and militias and troofers and religious nuts and the Girl Scouts and the Little Lebowski Urban Achievers (and how proud we are of all of them).


So sit down, shut up, and await instructions from your betters.

323 Van Helsing  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:01:58pm

I completely agree that a couple of nutters can cast a decent activity in a truly crappy light and they need to dealt with.

How can they be kept out of a public event?
It’s a serious question. I have no solution.
Sell tickets? Invitation only?

I’m looking for ideas.

324 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:01:58pm

re: #304 MJBrutus

That’s a really unfair assessment of Charles’ point.

325 jcm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:02:32pm

re: #319 sleepyone

Ahhh. One of those threads jogged my memory a bit. I do seem to recall that some neo-nazis were endorsing him and even knowing their positions he still did not reject their endorsement. At least that’s what I recall.

Or the racist newsletters that went out over Ron Paul’s name.

326 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:02:33pm

re: #319 sleepyone

Ahhh. One of those threads jogged my memory a bit. I do seem to recall that some neo-nazis were endorsing him and even knowing their positions he still did not reject their endorsement. At least that’s what I recall.

YES! He took money from the nazis at stormfront and refused to return it when he was called out in it.

327 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:02:50pm

re: #325 jcm

Or the racist newsletters that went out over Ron Paul’s name.

LOTS of reasons to not support ron paul.

328 alegrias  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:02:58pm

re: #308 Charles

Cool — so just ignore it all! What could go wrong?

* * * *
Charles, I’m glad you’re on their case.

Whoever they are, they don’t speak for me.

The vast majority of people I saw today did not appear to be fringey people.

329 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:03:07pm

Hah. I remember a sign that said simply, “Google ENDGAME.”

Don’t bother - It’s Alex Jones bullshit.

330 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:03:18pm

re: #303 HoosierHoops

See my #301. astronmr20 was not at all “shitting on” zombie, but was showing that zombie did not “cherrypick” by finding the one or two nutbars in a crowd, but rather showed, quite simply, that the crowd was nutbars, with one or two saner folks which the MSM actually DID have to cherrypick and look really, really hard for.

Killgore is attempting to compare the two, his link and zombie. I say there is no comparison at all, other than stark, inverse contrast.

331 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:03:24pm

re: #319 sleepyone

Ahhh. One of those threads jogged my memory a bit. I do seem to recall that some neo-nazis were endorsing him and even knowing their positions he still did not reject their endorsement. At least that’s what I recall.

Your recollection is correct.

332 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:03:28pm

I smell impending meltdowns.

333 pingjockey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:03:43pm

Folks, I’d love to stay, but I hear a very hot shower calling and this computer is in the hotel lobby. Try to fight nice. Good evening.

334 Parker in US  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:03:54pm

re: #251 Timbre

Charles: I link to this only as evidence to others that you are correct in your assessment of the overall issue of Tea Parties. If you do not want the link, I know you will remove it and I’ll support your decision.

I’m sorry but you are wrong this is not a political party thing, this is an American thing. I overheard a guy today in fact one of those radical right wing veterans say “We have to stop thinking like R’s and D’s and start thinking like Eagles! Why must you seek a conspiracy behind these parties?

Again I say Lead Follow or Get Out of The Way.

335 jayzee  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:03:54pm

re: #322 Sifty

We just ain’t smart enough to do this on our own, folks. That is the lesson of today’s discussion.

we are doomed to failure. doomed to fall victim to Ron Paul and nazis and Birchers and nirthers and militias and troofers and religious nuts and the Girl Scouts and the Little Lebowski Urban Achievers (and how proud we are of all of them).

So sit down, shut up, and await instructions from your betters.

That’s absurd. The problem though is that doing ANYTHING is not always better than doing nothing.

336 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:04:23pm

re: #322 Sifty

That’s enough. Go away.

337 Buster Bunny  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:04:29pm

re: #332 Charles

I love the smell of napalm halfway down a thread …..

- Misquoted Apocalypse Now

338 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:04:30pm

re: #320 Steffan

There were threads on the Kos Kidz diaries about “infiltrating” tea party protests today.

There are no infiltrators at all in any of the protests. None. Period. The matter is settled. ///////////////////////////////// x20

339 pingjockey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:04:39pm

re: #332 Charles
Good luck! Take care, see you tomorrow.

340 Racer X  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:04:58pm

Ron Paul = Krazy Kook
Nirthers = Kooks
Troofers = Kooks

Big government is still bad. M’kay?

341 itsjustme  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:05:14pm

re: #295 Charles

It’s not “purity” to refuse to dive into a sewer.

I’m confused. What is diving into the sewer?

Attending a tea party because Ron Paul wants to take credit for it?

342 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:05:25pm

re: #321 HoosierHoops

No worries.

343 sleepyone  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:06:02pm

re: #325 jcm

Or the racist newsletters that went out over Ron Paul’s name.

Okay. I get it now. I knew there was something about him that wasn’t right but I really didn’t pay much attention to man.

344 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:06:11pm

re: #341 itsjustme

I’m confused.

I know.

345 jester6  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:06:33pm

re: #316 Jayzee

I am not sure if you are agreeing or disagreeing with me. The Chinese are still purchasing some debt, but it is a tiny fraction of what they used to purchase.

In the first quarter of 2008, the Chinese purchased $153.9 billion US Treasuries funding 74.7% of our $205.9 billion in deficit spending for that period.

In the first quarter of 2009, the Chinese purchased a net $7.7 billion US Treasuries funding a 2.7% of our $276.3 billion deficit for the period.

The Chinese have stopped buying our debt and the Fed is replacing it with $300 billion of printed money.

Read my #256 for links to the sources.

346 sleepyone  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:07:11pm

re: #326 Sharmuta

YES! He took money from the nazis at stormfront and refused to return it when he was called out in it.

“I already spent it on white sheets!”

//sorry, couldn’t help it

347 daledog  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:07:14pm

This is a very entertaining thread today.

348 Timbre  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:07:14pm

re: #334 Parker in US

Was Charles right in his #290 or what!?

349 Gus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:07:21pm

Anyway, the answer is in the middle. I think that after looking at today’s events, notwithstanding the bad apples, showed a lot of good intent on behalf of the participants. I will agree that Odom, and his ilk should be confronted.

bbl

350 Racer X  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:07:27pm

‘Confusion’ will be the epitaph of the GOP.

351 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:07:29pm

Was my #330 written in such a way that it could be easily understood?
Because I can rewrite it and be far more verbose, if needed.

352 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:07:46pm

re: #341 itsjustme

I’m confused. What is diving into the sewer?

Attending a tea party because Ron Paul wants to take credit for it?

lying down with a dog at night, you wake up with fleas in the morning.

353 MJBrutus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:07:55pm

re: #324 Sharmuta

That’s a really unfair assessment of Charles’ point.

I don’t think it is unfair. I’m sorry, but I was out there to protest the destruction of our economy and I am not going to allow some kook(s) to keep me away. If the rally showed any signs of expressing thoughts I disagreed with I would have left, but that didn’t happen and I’m glad I went. I also don’t give a rip what HuffPO has to say about it.

354 Summer Seale  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:08:00pm

I was invited by several friends to go to the Tea Party, but I told them flat out no:

1) I refuse to be marching with groups that have a chance of having been co-opted by racists.

2) I don’t really know what their specific message is. Anti-Taxes? Everyone is “anti-taxes”. What exactly are their plans to help save the economy? Do they have one? If they don’t agree with the Obama plan, what is theirs? Or is this all just populist reactionary staging?

I’m pretty sure it’s just stupid staging.

3) This isn’t the 60’s anymore. Protests don’t change a darn thing. It worked in the 60’s because it was more shocking in the 60’s - we were a different and overall much more conservative society. Protests are a dime a dozen these days. Perhaps I’m being acerbic and all, but times have changed and protests aren’t worth a damn. Not that I even remember anything close to the 60’s and 70’s, or half of the 80’s, but I’m pretty sure I’m right.

4) It’s a really stupid idea. The original Tea Party in Boston was a valid form of expression against taxes without representation. People are fucking lazy today. They don’t really know what the hell it was like back then. They don’t have the imagination to understand what it really is like when the King’s redcoats walked up to your door, put a bayonet in your face, and told you to give up your money or your life. And if you said no, you might just be hauled away to get hanged in public.

I may not like the tax policies in this country, but we pay far, far, less than anyone does in Europe. And we do have representation. We may not like the solutions our representatives come up with in government, but it doesn’t mean we can just do better on our own. People are fucking stupid about this. Everyone thinks they can do a better job. Everyone thinks they’re some sort of fucking economic genius. I’m guessing everyone figured out the entire economic collapse years before it happened and knows exactly what they would have done if they had been in charge when Lehman Brothers was about to go belly up.

I’m sorry, but I didn’t see any economic geniuses spouting off anywhere in the world back in September and October 2008, and neither did anyone else. People who actually know what the hell they are talking about were scared shitless and still are these days. They know there’s no simple solution. They know we all have to pay for everyone’s mistakes - Democrats, Republicans, Independents, and wacko fucks who think that the aliens have taken over.

Tea Parties don’t do anything but show me the rampant egotism of stupid people gathering together who think they have the solution for a serious problem which, if they were truly honest about it, they know fuck all about.

355 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:08:01pm

re: #341 itsjustme

I’m confused. What is diving into the sewer?

Attending a tea party because Ron Paul wants to take credit for it?

Before I call out a guy to fight I size him up. Have you read any of what Charles has had to say this day?

356 Dahveed  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:08:05pm

re: #350 Racer X

A million updings!

357 Gearhead  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:08:07pm
The concept of the modern day Tea Party began on December 16, 2007…

What about Whatsisname on CNBC?

358 HoosierHoops  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:08:52pm

re: #330 Taqiyyotomist

See my #301. astronmr20 was not at all “shitting on” zombie, but was showing that zombie did not “cherrypick” by finding the one or two nutbars in a crowd, but rather showed, quite simply, that the crowd was nutbars, with one or two saner folks which the MSM actually DID have to cherrypick and look really, really hard for.

Killgore is attempting to compare the two, his link and zombie. I say there is no comparison at all, other than stark, inverse contrast.


I was wrong.. I thought he was being insulting..And Astronr20 you have my deepest apology for trashing you..
Regards

359 jayzee  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:09:06pm

re: #345 jester6

re: #316 Jayzee

I am not sure if you are agreeing or disagreeing with me. The Chinese are still purchasing some debt, but it is a tiny fraction of what they used to purchase.

In the first quarter of 2008, the Chinese purchased $153.9 billion US Treasuries funding 74.7% of our $205.9 billion in deficit spending for that period.

In the first quarter of 2009, the Chinese purchased a net $7.7 billion US Treasuries funding a 2.7% of our $276.3 billion deficit for the period.

The Chinese have stopped buying our debt and the Fed is replacing it with $300 billion of printed money.

Read my #256 for links to the sources.

They haven’t stopped buying our debt.

According to an analysis by Win Thin, a senior currency strategist at Brown Brothers Harriman & Co. in New York, today’s report shows “we are not seeing any wholesale dumping of dollar assets by China.”

In an interview, Thin said the smaller increase in holdings of Treasury securities reflects a slowdown in capital flows between investors in China and other emerging markets rather than deliberate efforts on the part of the Chinese authorities.

“China and the U.S. have a symbiotic relationship,” Thin said. “We need each other.”

Paul aint a profit. I knew the fed would print money!

360 avspatti  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:09:13pm

re: #54 Charles

People are now emailing saying “Admit you were WRONG! Nobody saw any Ron Paul supporters!”

I guess they had to be wearing Ron Paul t-shirts, or carrying a sign that says “RON PAUL WAS RIGHT!” If they weren’t, then they couldn’t possibly be Paulians!

If they didn’t self-identify as ‘Paulians’, then how do we know they were in fact ‘Paulians’? Whoever here said that they can only ruin this if we let them is correct. We have every right to protest. We cannot stop people we don’t like from attending a public protest. We need to focus on protesting, organizing, and rolling back this huge power grab and growth of government. Ignore the tiny minority who would ruin this. We need to put our energy toward our goals.

361 jcm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:09:16pm

re: #341 itsjustme

I’m confused. What is diving into the sewer?

Attending a tea party because Ron Paul wants to take credit for it?

Not telling folks Ron Paul and his nuttiness isn’t welcome, publically distancing ourselves from him. Otherwise the opposition paints the entire conservative / classically liberal idea as loony toons.

362 sleepyone  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:09:24pm

re: #347 daledog

This is a very entertaining thread today.

All of today’s threads have been great in my opinion. I have really enjoyed reading the comments on all of them today. Really lively!

363 Buster Bunny  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:09:54pm

re: #354 Summer

I’d prefer to be rendering some format of protest rather than sitting back and letting the great ‘O’ ream my backside and tell me to enjoy it.

/Too many late nights watching Deliverance.

364 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:09:55pm

re: #358 HoosierHoops

I understand Hoops. Folks are touchy today, and lately in general.

BTW, your 10,000th post was incredible.

365 itsjustme  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:09:56pm

Still respectfully waiting for an answer.

366 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:10:22pm

re: #354 Summer

So what’s YOUR solution?

367 Racer X  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:10:28pm

Heh. Saw this today:

One Pirate + $Million Dollar Ransom = One Million Pirates

One Pirate + One Navy Bullet = One Less Pirate

368 jaunte  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:10:43pm

re: #354 Summer

2) I don’t really know what their specific message is. Anti-Taxes? Everyone is “anti-taxes”. What exactly are their plans to help save the economy? Do they have one? If they don’t agree with the Obama plan, what is theirs? Or is this all just populist reactionary staging?

I’m pretty sure it’s just stupid staging.

Ding ding ding.

369 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:10:47pm

re: #350 Racer X

‘Confusion’ will be the epitaph of the GOP.

Well, when you can do nothing right …

370 Truck Monkey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:11:04pm

re: #332 Charles

I smell impending meltdowns.

Youtube Video

371 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:11:40pm

re: #365 itsjustme

Still respectfully waiting for an answer.

Previously answered for the un-lazy.

372 Dahveed  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:11:56pm

re: #369 OldLineTexan

Well, when you can do nothing right …

Pun intended?

373 albusteve  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:12:09pm

I’ve articulated my questions…who from the anti-tea party group has any solutions…lots of negative vibe…that’s cool …where are the solutions?

374 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:12:28pm

Oops. Suddenly someone mentions a mass of “Ron Paul shirt wearers” who got up and walked out to protest a speaker in Raleigh NC.

littlegreenfootballs.com

375 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:12:33pm

re: #372 Dahveed

Pun intended?

No, sorry. Shall I be disappointed in myself? ;)

376 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:12:36pm

re: #358 HoosierHoops

I was wrong.. I thought he was being insulting..And Astronr20 you have my deepest apology for trashing you..
Regards

No worries hoosier (:

377 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:12:56pm

re: #304 MJBrutus

Egads, I am getting tired of this freaking paranoia! Oooh look, some scary RP types are over there.


At their best the Ron Paul types are isolationists and freaking idiots. (One in my neighborhood was passing out “Stop the bailout” flyers the day after the Senate passed the bailout bill.)
At their worst they are antisemitic bigots.
I won’t hang with that crowd.

378 jayzee  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:13:07pm

re: #366 astronmr20

So what’s YOUR solution?

I don’t think there needs to be an alternative to the tea party. We have elections, and we need to figure out how to win those coming up. Did you go to a tea party because there was nothing else for you to go to? Really?

379 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:13:22pm

re: #353 MJBrutus

I think it was completely unfair. You put words in his mouth.

Now- I took heat on the last thread for asking what these protesters hoped to accomplish. I’d still like to know the answer. Protesting is all fine and good, but it alone isn’t going to stop the democrats in Congress from spending like drunken fools. They’re not going to listen to us.

Some told me that if the movement is big enough, they will listen. I don’t think so. They’ll learn the lesson on election day 2010. But only if we offer a better plan that will ensure us victory.

380 slartybartfast  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:13:31pm

BTW—it’s Wednesday night. Does anyone else thing they’re “tyin’ one on” at the White House?

381 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:13:41pm

Stormfront…..
View Poll Results: Did you go to the Tea Party?

Yes 7 58.33%
No 2 16.67%
I wanted to, but couldn’t. 3 25.00%

Admittedly not many responses yet it was just posted recently. However, 80% of Nazis favor the Tea parties. Almost 60% actually attended.

382 slartybartfast  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:14:10pm

thing - > think

PIMF

383 jayzee  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:14:18pm

re: #379 Sharmuta

I think it was completely unfair. You put words in his mouth.

Now- I took heat on the last thread for asking what these protesters hoped to accomplish. I’d still like to know the answer. Protesting is all fine and good, but it alone isn’t going to stop the democrats in Congress from spending like drunken fools. They’re not going to listen to us.

Some told me that if the movement is big enough, they will listen. I don’t think so. They’ll learn the lesson on election day 2010. But only if we offer a better plan that will ensure us victory.

Amen.

384 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:14:32pm

re: #378 jayzee

I don’t think there needs to be an alternative to the tea party. We have elections, and we need to figure out how to win those coming up. Did you go to a tea party because there was nothing else for you to go to? Really?

Yes.. but I happen to think it’s something positive and will motivate a sense of “community” amongst conservatives.. which will hopefully translate into votes in 2010.

385 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:14:46pm

Is it me or have things gotten worse since the One took office?

/

386 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:14:51pm

re: #381 Killgore Trout

Stormfront…..
View Poll Results: Did you go to the Tea Party?


Admittedly not many responses yet it was just posted recently. However, 80% of Nazis favor the Tea parties. Almost 60% actually attended.

Yes, Internet Nazis always tell the truth in online polls.

/Luap Nor

387 sbvft contributor  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:15:08pm

Bummer. Charles is stubbornly sticking to his narrative that somehow the Ron Paulians have seriously tainted and so have apparently diminished or damaged beyond repair any good that could have come from today’s Tea Parties. I was at the Philly rally today. A handful of Paulians from what I could tell. I fail to see the significance.///BTW - There was a loud roar when Michelle Malkin’s name was mentioned. Like me, my guess is that’s where many people’s idea to attend these rallies originated.

388 Gearhead  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:15:49pm

re: #380 slartybartfast

BTW—it’s Wednesday night. Does anyone else thing they’re “tyin’ one on” at the White House?

It’s tax day. They’re tying one of MINE on.

389 JollyFatMan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:15:50pm

Charles,

While I’m concerned with someone like Ron Paul hijacking the Tea Party movement as well as you, I’d like to point out that listing an event does not mean this guy organized it. On that one I think I’d need more proof than an event listing.

Also, just because Ron Paul thought of it first doesn’t mean he has anything to do with the movement this time. It’s well known the spark was Rick Santelli ‘s rant that got this one going no matter what RP has to say about it.

For that matter straying from the message in the speeches is the most important indicator of the event getting hijacked. Sure, we need to look for the kooks on the edges of the crowd, or someone in the crowd spouting the wrong message to the media, but those are small potatoes compared to what the people at the podium have to say.

We already know we have no control over the media spin; the only way to combat this is to make sure organizers stay on message, which in turn marginalizes the RP bunch.

One more observation: Right is right no matter who actually came up with the idea. To state otherwise simply assigns guilt by association. I.E. If Junior was wrong about statement X then he is also wrong about statement Y even though critical thinking can discern that statement Y is right. This doesn’t mean we should all now follow Ron Paul. It means that the oscillating feces spreader is working overtime with this guy. While much of what he says is wrong and many of his associations do him discredit, inevitably some of his points are right as well. Attempting to do something about runaway deficit spending is an example.

What makes a guy like Ron Paul dangerous is he frequently operates based on an element of truth which quickly diverges into kook theory and practice. The job with him then becomes differentiating what is a legitimate issue from a fringe or crazy issue.

The funny thing is this complaint about Deficit Spending has been going around since Thomas Jefferson eliminated the national debt whereupon Congress promptly started running up the red ink. The other two, States Rights and Excessive Taxation have been around since before the revolution. In fact we just finished a nice little brawl over States Rights Seven Score and Four Years ago(How about that! a little Reversi action for ya!). Based on that I seriously doubt Ron Paul “owns” those particular issues even though he frequently spouts off on them.

JFM

390 Dahveed  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:16:08pm

re: #375 OldLineTexan

No, sorry. Shall I be disappointed in myself? ;)

Great job anyways. That made me laugh and laugh.

391 Buster Bunny  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:16:23pm

re: #385 NYCHardhat

Is it me or have things gotten worse since the One took office?

/

He’s moving exponentially. He’s creating the flat slate to lay out his new world proposal. And in that process he is prepared to take down EVERYTHING that came beforehand .. and violate the constitution to do so.

Yes .. he’s going to be moving very quickly to do this. And the end results will catch a lot of people sleeping.

But hey .. thats the idea.

392 albusteve  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:16:25pm

what’s the solution to the Paulistas?….

393 Aviator  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:16:31pm

re: #381 Killgore Trout

Stormfront…..
View Poll Results: Did you go to the Tea Party?

Admittedly not many responses yet it was just posted recently. However, 80% of Nazis favor the Tea parties. Almost 60% actually attended.

Really? Nine responses to an internet poll on Stormfront means what?

394 jayzee  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:16:38pm

re: #384 astronmr20

Yes.. but I happen to think it’s something positive and will motivate a sense of “community” amongst conservatives.. which will hopefully translate into votes in 2010.

I disagree. At the very least-there were too many mentions of a third party in regards to these things for me to know they will not lead to conservative “community”.

395 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:17:01pm

re: #383 jayzee

I say bring back the Balanced Budget Amendment and this time keep pushing until it’s passed and ratified. Enough of Congress and Washington getting drunk on spending other people’s money- BOTH parties do it. ENOUGH!

Restrict their power. THAT is the American way.

396 mj  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:17:25pm

Whatever you do Charles, don’t open registration tonight!

397 jaunte  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:17:32pm

re: #393 Aviator

Really? Nine responses to an internet poll on Stormfront means what?

Three were still in jail.

398 Gearhead  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:17:37pm

re: #393 Aviator

Really? Nine responses to an internet poll on Stormfront means what?

Quorum

399 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:17:47pm

re: #386 OldLineTexan

Yes, Internet Nazis always tell the truth in online polls.


So you think there is some sort of trickery going on? Are they Acorn plants at stormfront spamming polls to smear the Tea Parties? There are dozens of threads about the Tea Parties on stormfront. They are very excited about the idea and they are attending the protests. There’s no doubt about it.

400 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:17:53pm

re: #396 mj

Whatever you do Charles, don’t open registration tonight!

LOL!
Amen.

401 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:18:40pm

re: #395 Sharmuta

I say bring back the Balanced Budget Amendment and this time keep pushing until it’s passed and ratified. Enough of Congress and Washington getting drunk on spending other people’s money- BOTH parties do it. ENOUGH!

Restrict their power. THAT is the American way.

Hey hun!

Youtube Video

402 Buster Bunny  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:18:49pm

re: #396 mj

Whatever you do Charles, don’t open registration tonight!

Oh cmon .. it would be like shooting wamprats back home on Endor ! They just keep on coming .. and they go back into such tiny holes !

/Star Wars addict ..

403 Aviator  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:18:53pm

re: #397 jaunte

Three were still in jail.

And the rest belong there.

404 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:19:01pm

re: #394 jayzee

I disagree. At the very least-there were too many mentions of a third party in regards to these things for me to know they will not lead to conservative “community”.

Then perhaps that will motivate the Republican party to take a hard look at themselves. Do you really think Republicans have understood conservative principles lately? They are out of control. Arlen Spector himself kept a filibuster from happening on the stimulus.

How much smaller do you think the “stimulus” really would have been under McCain? !

405 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:19:35pm

re: #399 Killgore Trout

So you think there is some sort of trickery going on? Are they Acorn plants at stormfront spamming polls to smear the Tea Parties? There are dozens of threads about the Tea Parties on stormfront. They are very excited about the idea and they are attending the protests. There’s no doubt about it.

Nope, but nice job of trying to cram words into my post.

I think Internet polls are CRAP. I think Stormfronters can have socks and lie just like Paulbots, for example.

Further explanation, if you did not get the Luap Nor references, is not forthcoming.

406 JacksonTn  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:20:09pm

re: #392 albusteve

what’s the solution to the Paulistas?….

albusteve … more of us speaking out … more and more of us speaking out … registering to vote … getting everyone we know to register to vote … and show up to the polls … if we do not … we might as well bend all the way over for the socialist agenda … I will not mock the honest citizens who showed up today … to do something … maybe the answers are not here today … but we have to keep going forward …

407 HoosierHoops  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:20:36pm

re: #380 slartybartfast

BTW—it’s Wednesday night. Does anyone else thing they’re “tyin’ one on” at the White House?

Did you see for as little as a five dollar donation to end Hillary’s debt you can win the grand prize to spent the day with Bill Clinton?
I am so ready to pop for 5 bucks to spend the day with Bill..Would that not be delicious? Image wandering down the Halls of State at 8am with our robes wide open drinking beer and checking out the gals? I want my secret service nic to be the Hoopster..

408 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:20:40pm

re: #396 mj

Whatever you do Charles, don’t open registration tonight!

Aw come on. How am I going to get in after my meltdown?
/ :)

409 MJBrutus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:20:57pm

re: #379 Sharmuta

I think it was completely unfair. You put words in his mouth.

Respectfully, we’ll have to just disagree on this.

Some told me that if the movement is big enough, they will listen. I don’t think so. They’ll learn the lesson on election day 2010. But only if we offer a better plan that will ensure us victory.

So where is this grand plan? Who is the torch bearer? The GOP is almost as bad as the Donkeys. Hell, John McCain was the one who “suspended his campaign” to go to DC and participate in the original TARP that got his madness started!

Who is seriously talking about responsibility? Palin was about as close as we came and she was badly unqualified to even be on the ticket. Where is the legitimate Conservative voice we can get behind? What has the GOP done for us lately?

410 Buster Bunny  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:21:05pm

re: #404 astronmr20


How much smaller do you think the “stimulus” really would have been under McCain? !

There are no IFs like that. We deal in the here .. the now and the what is. Any McCain solution is now left to history and waiting for a Republican to come along who isnt mind-bent like taffy.

Here and now is all that counts.

411 Ojoe  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:21:19pm

PG Tips

very good tea.

412 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:21:23pm

re: #399 Killgore Trout

So you think there is some sort of trickery going on? Are they Acorn plants at stormfront spamming polls to smear the Tea Parties? There are dozens of threads about the Tea Parties on stormfront. They are very excited about the idea and they are attending the protests. There’s no doubt about it.

Be quiet! Can’t you see that people don’t want to hear that?

413 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:21:24pm

re: #404 astronmr20

How much smaller do you think the “stimulus” really would have been under McCain? !


Any responsible President would have done the bank bailouts and stimulus. The numbers would be more or less the same no matter who is in power. It had to be done. The only reliable anti-bailout, anti-stimulus candidate would have been Ron Paul.

414 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:21:32pm
415 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:21:41pm

re: #402 Buster Bunny

Oh cmon .. it would be like shooting wamprats back home on Endor ! They just keep on coming .. and they go back into such tiny holes !

/Star Wars addict ..

Wamprats on ENDOR?!

I’m going to be Tatooine the name of Luke’s home planet on your backside!

416 Parker in US  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:22:20pm

re: #360 avspatti

re: #360 avspatti

If they didn’t self-identify as ‘Paulians’, then how do we know they were in fact ‘Paulians’? Whoever here said that they can only ruin this if we let them is correct. We have every right to protest. We cannot stop people we don’t like from attending a public protest. We need to focus on protesting, organizing, and rolling back this huge power grab and growth of government. Ignore the tiny minority who would ruin this. We need to put our energy toward our goals.

Exactly

417 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:22:22pm

re: #396 mj

Whatever you do Charles, don’t open registration tonight!

How did you know I was just considering doing that?

418 Buster Bunny  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:22:24pm

re: #415 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Wamprats on ENDOR?!

I’m going to be Tatooine the name of Luke’s home planet on your backside!

Wamprats get around.

419 KingKenrod  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:22:29pm

All this argument by anecdote is leading us nowhere…it’s meaningless. The real problem is conservatives don’t have any legitimate leadership they can rally around.

420 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:22:35pm

re: #385 NYCHardhat

Is it me or have things gotten worse since the One took office?

/

Haven’t you gotten your unicorn yet?

421 jayzee  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:22:40pm

re: #404 astronmr20

Then perhaps that will motivate the Republican party to take a hard look at themselves. Do you really think Republicans have understood conservative principles lately? They are out of control. Arlen Spector himself kept a filibuster from happening on the stimulus.

How much smaller do you think the “stimulus” really would have been under McCain? !

No it won’t. The party needs to change within. We need to be active in the party (assuming you’re a Republican?) and tell them what we want from our candidates. We need to support conservatives in primaries. There are ways-a third party isn’t one.

422 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:22:43pm

re: #412 Charles

This is pretty amazing to witness. It shouldn’t be surprising, we’ve seen this coming for a while now.

423 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:22:46pm

re: #410 Buster Bunny

There are no IFs like that. We deal in the here .. the now and the what is. Any McCain solution is now left to history and waiting for a Republican to come along who isnt mind-bent like taffy.

Here and now is all that counts.

I agree. I was responding to the comment that these protests were not helpful because 3rd party supporters show up to them. There’s a reason for that, and it’s because Bush was not a conservative. Conservatives feel left in the cold, and that’s why we LOST THE ELECTION.

424 Dahveed  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:22:57pm

Just curious…is anyone still working on their tax return? Has anyone set aside part of their refund for next year’s tax bill?

425 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:23:10pm

re: #417 Charles

How did you know I was just considering doing that?

OMG!
*running for cover*

/… kidding

426 MJBrutus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:23:39pm

re: #374 Charles

Oops. Suddenly someone mentions a mass of “Ron Paul shirt wearers” who got up and walked out to protest a speaker in Raleigh NC.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Glad to say I never even noticed them. The speakers went on speaking and I heard nothing that I would object to.

427 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:23:50pm

re: #418 Buster Bunny

Wamprats get around.

heh

428 Bloodnok  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:23:50pm

re: #424 Dahveed

Just curious…is anyone still working on their tax return? Has anyone set aside part of their refund for next year’s tax bill?


What refund?

429 jaunte  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:23:58pm

re: #424 Dahveed

Yes.

430 Gearhead  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:23:58pm

re: #417 Charles

How did you know I was just considering doing that?

You just moved and now you’re considering opening registration? You are a glutton for punishment.

431 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:23:58pm

I really don’t know what should be done. There seem to be far too many people right now that seem perfectly willing to keep pulling the lever for the same damn clowns over and over again. Yet protests and such make them think that the alternative are crazies. It’s a no win lib victory for all eternity.

432 jester6  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:24:02pm

#359 jayzee

I did not say the Chinese were selling their treasuries. What I said was that they had essentially stopped buying new treasuries. But if it makes you feel better you can twist it anyway you want it.

The facts remain, the Chinese purchase of treasuries in the first quarter of last year covered 75% of the our deficit spending for the same period. Further, since we were in surplus for a while 2008 those purchases would have covered our entire deficit for 2008 before TARP.

This year, the Chinese have spent $7 or $8 billion dollars to purchase US debt in the first quarter. That purchase would not cover 3% of the deficit for that quarter alone.

Sure the have not started to sell off their Treasuries. But by exiting the market they have forced us to print money to buy our own debt.

You can dismiss Beck and Paul and all the other wackos. I wish there was a more rational person sounding the alarm. But I guess no rational person who understands what is happening wants to be called a conspiracy nut.

But at least in this case the wackos are right. When the economy recovers either Obama’s spending programs are stopped or we keep printing money because there is no one left to fund our deficits.

Forget the miltias and Code Pink and Paul and Beck and Pelosi and Frank and Obama and Ayers and Wright. Printing money to find government spending is what destroys economic systems and brings down governments.

433 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:24:05pm

re: #413 Killgore Trout

Any responsible President would have done the bank bailouts and stimulus.

Excuse me?

434 kywrite  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:24:06pm

re: #102 Gus 802

OK But I’m getting conflicting information here now. On the one hand I am hearing that Ron Paul took over this event. On the other hand I’m hearing that FOX is running the show. Others have said it’s Dick Army and Newt Gengrich behind the scenes. Then, we get another view that says this is all organized by the Republican Party.

Which one is it?

The libtards are so used to someone running the show that they don’t know a grassroots movement when they see one. That’s what I think.

And since I’m here now: instead of getting pissed because the luap nor has taken credit, why not talk about how we’re going to ensure as many people as possible understand that he did NOT do this, that it was NOT inspired by him, and that he will NOT hijack it? We can’t control luap or his followers, nor can we shut them up. We can’t control the media; they’re going to piss on this as much as they can. So — what can we do?

All I know is to correct people every time they try to Paulize something, and just keep hammering. I won’t stay away from a tea party because it MIGHT be ascribed to Nazis, or Ron Paul, or little green men. I can’t make them get off the bus, and I’m damn well not going to walk — because they might walk beside me, too. Only so much getting out of the way one can do!

Anyone got anything better, or other stuff we can do?

435 Ojoe  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:24:07pm

If there was a big protest on a raft, would you untie it?

(A question for those who are very tired of politics.)

436 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:24:08pm

I think we can all agree that spending in Washington is out of control and we’d like to reign it in. I think protesting about it doesn’t accomplish the end result of actually restricting spending. That’s not to say folks can’t protest, but did any restriction of spending happen today because of these protests?

I’m in favor of getting behind the BBA again, like I did in 1994. It was an electoral success that sadly got left behind when it faced a challenge in the Senate. This time, we keep pushing until the Senate passes it and then take this grassroots movement to 50 states to ratify it. THAT would accomplish our goal.

437 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:24:17pm

Stormfront poll update….

Yes 10 62.50%
No 2 12.50%
I wanted to, but couldn’t. 4 25.00%


Acorn iz spammin’ mah nazi poll!

438 jaunte  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:24:29pm

re: #424 Dahveed

To the setting aside part; I’m finished working on the return.

439 sleepyone  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:24:49pm

re: #399 Killgore Trout

So you think there is some sort of trickery going on? Are they Acorn plants at stormfront spamming polls to smear the Tea Parties? There are dozens of threads about the Tea Parties on stormfront. They are very excited about the idea and they are attending the protests. There’s no doubt about it.

They may be attending and tweeting each other but I can’t see getting worked up about 20 or 30 nazis that make it out of their parent’s basement to attend these things.

440 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:24:51pm

re: #433 astronmr20

Excuse me?


You’re excused.

441 jcm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:24:56pm

re: #425 pre-Boomer Marine brat

OMG!
*running for cover*

/… kidding

Gonna’ have to get the BIG BBQ out!

442 Racer X  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:25:09pm

Flashmob at a train station

Really cool.

443 jaunte  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:25:10pm

re: #437 Killgore Trout

Four still in prison.

444 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:25:16pm

re: #421 jayzee

No it won’t. The party needs to change within. We need to be active in the party (assuming you’re a Republican?) and tell them what we want from our candidates. We need to support conservatives in primaries. There are ways-a third party isn’t one.

Amen! I needed you on the last thread. :)

445 pink freud  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:25:20pm

re: #430 Gearhead

You just moved and now you’re considering opening registration? You are a glutton for punishment.

Punishment? I thought it was part of the entertainment! :-)

446 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:25:20pm

re: #422 Killgore Trout

This is pretty amazing to witness. It shouldn’t be surprising, we’ve seen this coming for a while now.

OK, you win. Everyone at any tea party is a Nazi because the evidence at Stormfront is overwhelming.

I went to a Mass last week, so now I’m Catholic.

If I shit in the woods, I guess I’ll be a bear.

Now what?

I’m all for not associating with wack groups and thugs. In fact, I don’t. But what do you do about it in the case of a public protest? Never protest? Not vote? What?

447 slartybartfast  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:25:51pm

re: #407 HoosierHoops

Did you see for as little as a five dollar donation to end Hillary’s debt you can win the grand prize to spent the day with Bill Clinton?
I am so ready to pop for 5 bucks to spend the day with Bill..Would that not be delicious? Image wandering down the Halls of State at 8am with our robes wide open drinking beer and checking out the gals? I want my secret service nic to be the Hoopster..

Love it! Though, I bet Bill will tell the girls that you are known as “Hoosier-Daddy“…

“Pass me one of them cigars, Daddy…”

448 Buster Bunny  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:26:02pm

re: #437 Killgore Trout

Stormfront poll update….


Acorn iz spammin’ mah nazi poll!

What does any ‘organising’ movement do with 5.2 billion?

Thats my big question.

449 jaunte  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:26:08pm
FITSNews - September 23, 2007 - A presidential long-shot is scoring big with white supremacist voters, although oddly enough it’s not their “official candidate.”


fitsnews.com

450 BlueCanuck  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:26:19pm

re: #417 Charles

How did you know I was just considering doing that?

Well, guess it’s time to break out the BBQ, smoker, marinades(for buttocks and cooks)………

451 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:26:35pm

re: #421 jayzee

No it won’t. The party needs to change within. We need to be active in the party (assuming you’re a Republican?) and tell them what we want from our candidates. We need to support conservatives in primaries. There are ways-a third party isn’t one.

Additionally- the BBA would be a great way to separate the wheat from the chaff.

452 MJBrutus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:26:38pm

re: #436 Sharmuta

I think protesting about it doesn’t accomplish the end result of actually restricting spending.

I know, and it really bums me out. I just figured a couple of hours of marching and shouting would have solved all of our problems. Boy am I embarrassed.

453 Gearhead  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:26:40pm

re: #424 Dahveed

Just curious…is anyone still working on their tax return? Has anyone set aside part of their refund for next year’s tax bill?

I’m married to a CPA. I had to sign something last night…

And, yes, we apply refund to the current year’s withholdings.

454 jefferson101  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:27:01pm

Meh.

Someone, (I disremember who) nailed it today. “The Ron Paul Movement isn’t about Ron Paul, it’s about the Movement.”

I don’t care much for Ron either, but someone out there in Republican-land needs to figure out how to harness all that energy, before it becomes a third party. Which it will, as will this whole Tea-Party movement, if the Republicans don’t quit being Tax-and-Spend RINO’s.

We don’t need no more “We opposed the taxes, spending, and idiocy after we voted for it” ‘Republicans’. If that’s the best we can do, we’re toast anyway.

455 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:27:04pm

re: #446 OldLineTexan

OK, you win. Everyone at any tea party is a Nazi because the evidence at Stormfront is overwhelming.

I went to a Mass last week, so now I’m Catholic.

If I shit in the woods, I guess I’ll be a bear.

Now what?

I’m all for not associating with wack groups and thugs. In fact, I don’t. But what do you do about it in the case of a public protest? Never protest? Not vote? What?

Kilgore thinks the stimulus was a good idea and “responsible.” Go figure.

456 pink freud  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:27:10pm

re: #437 Killgore Trout

Stormfront poll update….


Acorn iz spammin’ mah nazi poll!

It’s nice to see you enjoying yourself, KT. :D

457 Racer X  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:27:11pm

re: #413 Killgore Trout

Any responsible President would have done the bank bailouts and stimulus. The numbers would be more or less the same no matter who is in power. It had to be done. The only reliable anti-bailout, anti-stimulus candidate would have been Ron Paul.

I totally disagree.

McCain clearly stated he was considering a complete financial shut down of the government and limiting spending to essential items only.

458 Dahveed  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:27:21pm

re: #438 jaunte

I set aside too. I’m afraid of the unknown in the “new and improved” tax code.

459 Wishing  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:27:28pm

This youtube vid was on front page of google news:
Baltimore TeaParty

460 avspatti  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:27:31pm

re: #361 jcm

But - we are going to be portrayed as idiots by the opposition NO MATTER WHAT WE DO. This fear of what they are going to say about us is keeping us from getting our act together and actually accomplishing something. Tea parties are baby steps. Average Americans can see they are not alone. There is more to do, but it is a beginning.

461 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:27:33pm

re: #419 KingKenrod

All this argument by anecdote is leading us nowhere…it’s meaningless. The real problem is conservatives don’t have any legitimate leadership they can rally around.


Mark Sanford. John Cornyn. Eric Cantor. John Boehner.
Plenty more out there.

462 Gearhead  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:27:40pm

re: #445 pink freud

Punishment? I thought it was part of the entertainment! :-)

I am kinda hungry for some gamey buttocks.

463 Buster Bunny  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:27:41pm

re: #450 BlueCanuck

Well, guess it’s time to break out the BBQ, smoker, marinades(for buttocks and cooks)………

Any preference on troll sauces?

464 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:27:47pm

re: #441 jcm

Gonna’ have to get the BIG BBQ out!

HOLY S*HT!

465 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:27:49pm
466 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:28:00pm

There is no way to sell rationalism via populism.

That is what was weird about the American Revolution. It was a corporate takeover by the merchant class that coincided with the Enlightenment.

The Tea Party movement is about expressing rage, and it is also a “me too” tactic in relation to the anti-war movement.

But what this country needs right now is (IMO) is a libertarian minded rational movement - markets that have the regulatory goal of having the greatest number of participants; foreign policy that doesn’t apologize for having the explicit objective of freedom of body, wallet and conscience for every individual on this planet; and the capacity to see past utopian standards to effect the aforementioned goals.

The Tea Parties stir passions that won’t bring those changes about because these aren’t ideas born of passion but of reason.

467 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:28:14pm

re: #452 MJBrutus

Would you support the Balanced Budget Amendment?

468 BlueCanuck  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:28:40pm

re: #463 Buster Bunny

Any preference on troll sauces?

Garlic, lot’s of garlic. It helps cover up some of the gamey taste.

469 Joel  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:28:50pm

I was at the NYC tea party. It was great. There were some Paulians hanging out at the back of the crowd though. However they were a tiny percentage and were basically ignored.

470 MJBrutus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:28:50pm

re: #467 Sharmuta

Would you support the Balanced Budget Amendment?

I’m not familiar with it. I’ll be glad to comment after I google it.

471 Bubblehead II  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:28:59pm

Iromfist rule Bubblehead II signing off

Charles and the rest Lizard Nation.

Good Night. And for those who didn’t like my views today/tonight.

KISS MY ASS!

472 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:29:08pm

re: #437 Killgore Trout

Stormfront poll update….


Acorn iz spammin’ mah nazi poll!

LOL. Even a blind squirrel has more ACORNS than that. Keep talkin’ all purty, though, since it wuz all yer ideer anyways.

473 Racer X  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:29:17pm

re: #437 Killgore Trout

Stormfront poll update….


Acorn iz spammin’ mah nazi poll!

Do Stormfront Nazis prefer Coke or Pepsi?

Because I would sure hate to drink what they’re having.

474 Truck Monkey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:29:32pm

re: #454 jefferson101

Meh.

Someone, (I disremember who) nailed it today. “The Ron Paul Movement isn’t about Ron Paul, it’s about the Movement.”

I don’t care much for Ron either, but someone out there in Republican-land needs to figure out how to harness all that energy, before it becomes a third party. Which it will, as will this whole Tea-Party movement, if the Republicans don’t quit being Tax-and-Spend RINO’s.

We don’t need no more “We opposed the taxes, spending, and idiocy after we voted for it” ‘Republicans’. If that’s the best we can do, we’re toast anyway.

Funny you mention that…… I just had a movement of my own and it looked just like Ron Paul.

475 sleepyone  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:29:50pm

re: #439 sleepyone

They may be attending and tweeting each other but I can’t see getting worked up about 20 or 30 nazis that make it out of their parent’s basement to attend these things.

I correct myself: Unless the media focusses on those few nazis to make their pre-determined point that everyone who is right of center thinks like this.

Come to think of it, that’s exactly what the MSM would do.

476 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:29:51pm

re: #470 MJBrutus

I’m not familiar with it. I’ll be glad to comment after I google it.

its kinda self explanatory.

477 Buster Bunny  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:30:01pm

re: #466 karmic_inquisitor


The Tea Parties stir passions that won’t bring those changes about because these aren’t ideas born of passion but of reason.

Passion is a girl with great knockers.

Reason is the girl without the great knockers who looks more of a homey type, who uses her skills with reason five years down the track to leech you of Alimony until you are 80.

Commonsense rules .. use your head for passion.

478 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:30:11pm

re: #442 Racer X

Flashmob at a train station

Really cool.

OK, but if Stormfront likes it Killgore will start typing with a “hick” acent.

479 pink freud  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:30:23pm

re: #462 Gearhead

I am kinda hungry for some gamey buttocks.

Cooked a big pot of chicken and sausage gumbo for dinner, but maybe I’ll just pick a little here and there.

480 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:30:41pm

re: #66 DhimmiMoore

Like it or not, after Big Government Bush and Big Government Obama, Ron Paul clearly has the right constitutionally-sound ideas. People are waking up to this. If not through Paul, through someone else more mainstream. Maybe its Beck, and others who are starting to see things right.

Gov. Rick Perry is now stating that Texas has the right to secede if they want. Thank God for someone who will stand up for states’ rights and conservative principles.

Beck. Bat-shit insane. Perry. Ditto.

What else you got?

481 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:31:01pm

From the Contract with America:

The Fiscal Responsibility Act

An amendment to the Constitution that would require a balanced budget, unless sanctioned by a three-fifths vote in both houses of Congress

482 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:31:01pm

re: #475 sleepyone

I correct myself: Unless the media focusses on those few nazis to make their pre-determined point that everyone who is right of center thinks like this.

Come to think of it, that’s exactly what the MSM would do.

Which is precisely the MOST dangerous part of the equation (IMHO).

483 jayzee  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:31:05pm

re: #432 jester6

#359 jayzee

I did not say the Chinese were selling their treasuries. What I said was that they had essentially stopped buying new treasuries. But if it makes you feel better you can twist it anyway you want it.

The facts remain, the Chinese purchase of treasuries in the first quarter of last year covered 75% of the our deficit spending for the same period. Further, since we were in surplus for a while 2008 those purchases would have covered our entire deficit for 2008 before TARP.

This year, the Chinese have spent $7 or $8 billion dollars to purchase US debt in the first quarter. That purchase would not cover 3% of the deficit for that quarter alone.

Sure the have not started to sell off their Treasuries. But by exiting the market they have forced us to print money to buy our own debt.

You can dismiss Beck and Paul and all the other wackos. I wish there was a more rational person sounding the alarm. But I guess no rational person who understands what is happening wants to be called a conspiracy nut.

But at least in this case the wackos are right. When the economy recovers either Obama’s spending programs are stopped or we keep printing money because there is no one left to fund our deficits.

Forget the miltias and Code Pink and Paul and Beck and Pelosi and Frank and Obama and Ayers and Wright. Printing money to find government spending is what destroys economic systems and brings down governments.

They have not stopped buying are treasuries. Sorry. There is no policy to do so.

April 11 (Bloomberg) — China’s foreign-exchange reserves, the world’s biggest, had their smallest gain in eight years as exports slumped and the slowing economy deterred investment from abroad.

Foreign-currency holdings rose about $7.7 billion in the first quarter to $1.9537 trillion, the People’s Bank of China said today on its Web site. That was the smallest increase since the second quarter of 2001 and compares with a $40 billion jump in the fourth quarter.

China’s first-quarter trade surplus shrank 45 percent from the previous three months and foreign direct investment tumbled as the global recession choked off demand. Slower growth in the reserves may limit Chinese purchases of U.S. Treasuries just as the Obama administration seeks to sell record amounts of debt to fund a $787 billion stimulus package.

“The trend of slower expansion in reserves will continue throughout the rest of this year because it will be hard for exports to recover,” said Xing Ziqiang, an economist in Beijing at China International Capital Corp. “Smaller increases in reserves certainly mean less demand for U.S. debt.”

The currency reserves plunged by $32.6 billion in January, the biggest monthly decline since Bloomberg started compiling data in 1996. The holdings shrank by $1.4 billon in February and expanded $41.7 billion in March.

It’s not a lack of faith in the USD. It’s all of their reserves and the result of a global slowdown.

484 HoosierHoops  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:31:50pm

re: #447 slartybartfast

Love it! Though, I bet Bill will tell the girls that you are known as “Hoosier-Daddy“…

“Pass me one of them cigars, Daddy…”

You are always welcome to a cigar!
/Those Cubans never came across the border at Winsor under the spare tire with a bunch of giggling buddies on a road trip to Canada..It never happened.

485 sleepyone  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:32:35pm

re: #482 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You are correct sir.

486 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:32:57pm

re: #481 Sharmuta

From the Contract with America:

The Fiscal Responsibility Act

An amendment to the Constitution that would require a balanced budget, unless sanctioned by a three-fifths vote in both houses of Congress

I think it’s an idea whose time has come- again.

487 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:33:12pm

re: #455 astronmr20

I give a fuck about that, in all seriousness, while we’re on the topic of 16 Nazi-wannabees at Stormfront.

/pardon my language

488 Gearhead  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:33:33pm

re: #486 Sharmuta

I think it’s an idea whose time has come- again.

Hear, hear.

489 doppelganglander  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:33:39pm

re: #392 albusteve

what’s the solution to the Paulistas?….

There really isn’t any. It’s a free country, at least for now, and if you are holding a public event, they can show up if they want to. If they have a web site and they want to list your event without your knowledge or consent, they can do that. If seven or eight of them want to walk out of your event in a huff, there’s no stopping them.

The media is always going to cherry-pick blog comments, focus on the crazy woman who wants to burn books, and portray the right as a bunch of angry white people with torches and pitchforks. If we start worrying about the media, we’ll all be sitting home with our thumbs up our butts, doing nothing, which is exactly where the left wants us.

Of course we should speak out against the nuts and exclude them where we can. But there is no way in a free society to prevent them from saying what they want. If we’re going to stay home or be silenced because there just might be a Paulnut or a Troofer somewhere in the vicinity, we’re just giving them more power. We stay home, they step out, and they own the the MSM narrative.

490 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:33:45pm

re: #454 jefferson101

Meh.

Someone, (I disremember who) nailed it today. “The Ron Paul Movement isn’t about Ron Paul, it’s about the Movement.”

I don’t care much for Ron either, but someone out there in Republican-land needs to figure out how to harness all that energy, before it becomes a third party.

Harness the Ron Paul Revolution and you’ve got a whopping 2% of the national vote.
Unless it’s for an Internet poll….

491 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:33:47pm

re: #484 HoosierHoops

You are always welcome to a cigar!
/Those Cubans never came across the border at Winsor under the spare tire with a bunch of giggling buddies on a road trip to Canada..It never happened.

And I didn’t read that.

492 Dahveed  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:34:13pm

re: #453 Gearhead

I’m a CPA too, though I don’t do any taxes but my own. I must say that I don’t know how anyone can keep track of the tax code. Personally, I think the tax code will stay the same for a good long time. The CPAs and tax lawyers make a lot of money off a tax code that is difficult to decipher.

493 jcm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:34:15pm

re: #460 avspatti

But - we are going to be portrayed as idiots by the opposition NO MATTER WHAT WE DO. This fear of what they are going to say about us is keeping us from getting our act together and actually accomplishing something. Tea parties are baby steps. Average Americans can see they are not alone. There is more to do, but it is a beginning.

Somewhat true. We need to be clear and on message. But also very clear we don’t want help from the fringe or endorse the message.

Ron Paul may have some good points with his originalist arguments. But he’s tainted by associations with racists, his foreign policy ideas are unworkable in the modern era, his economic ideals simplistic and isolationist. Even if some of his ideas are good, he is the wrong messenger.

The Tea Party organizers are new at this, the left is drawn to organizing, the right to individualistic. For it to succeed they need to control the message.

494 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:34:27pm

Does anyone know why the 94 Congress was voted out?

495 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:35:06pm

re: #490 Jim in Virginia

Harness the Ron Paul Revolution and you’ve got a whopping 2% of the national vote.
Unless it’s for an Internet poll….

Careful, you’re using reason.

496 jaunte  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:35:09pm

re: #486 Sharmuta

I think it’s an idea whose time has come- again.

Might need some tinkering on the cutting-of-spending side, first, though.

497 jayzee  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:35:12pm

re: #481 Sharmuta

Contract with America-that’s how to win an election. If only Newt didn’t get played (Right after Rabin’s funeral) by Clinton….

498 wiffersnapper  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:35:18pm

Ron Laul.

499 Summer Seale  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:35:27pm

re: #366 astronmr20

So what’s YOUR solution?

Amazingly enough, I don’t have one either, for the following reasons:

1) I’m not an egotist who thinks she is an economic genius like almost everyone else.

2) I have listened to the real economic geniuses, understand that they admit that they are completely stumped, and accept that they have no real solution either.

Or, better yet, I’ll put it another way: The solution is that we have to pay for our mistakes.

Shitty, isn’t it? Then again, I’ll take that real solution formed by some of the economic geniuses who actually ran the economies of Wall Street for decades before I take a proposed solution from some unknown guy on the street with no credentials at all.

You can call me cheeky and skeptical, and maybe I am. But people ranting about magical solutions on the economy to me are about as “brilliant” as people ranting about how they have a hydrogen converter for your car, if only the oil companies wouldn’t be stopping them from providing the answer.

500 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:35:39pm

re: #494 NYCHardhat

Does anyone know why the 94 Congress was voted out?

Yes- they dropped fiscal responsibility as an ideal. They forgot the BBA, and allowed the power of spending other people’s money to go to their head.

501 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:35:57pm

re: #493 jcm

Maybe I should unlimber SockPuppy, so I can up-ding that one again!

502 kywrite  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:36:03pm

re: #97 FrogMarch

Honestly, were the paul bots calling it a “tea party” back then?

It’s not the same at all. The only tea party the Paulians threw was one in Boston in ‘07, as far as I can tell, and it looks like it was just a fund raiser, no tea bags involved. The tax day thing was just a tax day event with some silly costumes encasing pompous people.

At the (ick) Ron Paul forums, the Paulians seem to be separating themselves from the tea parties too — they are expressing support for the tea parties, but they are describing them as top-down movements motivated by Fox News — whereas the Paul movement was true grassroots (according to them). Whatever Paul said, his followers don’t seem to be falling in lockstep.

/know I’m gonna get yelled at/dinged down/something, but that’s what I see.

503 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:36:16pm

re: #500 Sharmuta

Yes- they dropped fiscal responsibility as an ideal. They forgot the BBA, and allowed the power of spending other people’s money to go to their head.

Did this help?

504 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:36:20pm

re: #457 Racer X

I totally disagree.

McCain clearly stated he was considering a complete financial shut down of the government and limiting spending to essential items only.

Here we are mid April and I still often wonder if this is all just a dream. Wake me. Please.

505 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:36:25pm

re: #496 jaunte

Might need some tinkering on the cutting-of-spending side, first, though.

I think they go hand in hand. You’re not going to get them to cut spending unless you force the issue. The BBA would be that force.

506 MJBrutus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:36:27pm

re: #476 NYCHardhat

its kinda self explanatory.

OK, I just did a quick scan on Wikipedia. I know it seems self-explanatory, but there are wrinkles. First, off, is the question of which version of such an amendment we’re talking about. Some are more easily circumvented than others. Also, some vest more power in the President and some more in Congress.

Putting aside the enforceability aspects of a particular version, I don’t think that deficit spending is necessarily a bad thing. The problem is that our government has abused it to the max. However, if the only way to keep them from abusing credit is to tear up their credit cards, then yes, I’m all in favor.

507 Olderthandirt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:36:40pm

Charles, you are fixated on Ron Paul’s efforts to take over the Tea Parties. Perhaps he did organize such efforts in 2007, yet those efforts were not successful IMHO. The Paulians are not the driving force behind the TP 2009 efforts yet you seem to continue to equate the TPs with the Paulians; not true for many of us, perhaps for most of us.

You have decried the rejection of the DHS extremist report recently published; I think the DHS report is a travesty and wrong for the government to issue as a screed against what it says is “right wing extremism.” You say in effect “Whoa, don’t get excited,” at least that’s my impression of your position on the DHS report. And, I very much disagree with your view since I feel the DHS report represents a strong rejection of American values especially Constitutionally stated rights of free speech and assembly.

Well, for each there is a time and yours has been a good one, and I’m proud to have commented on LGF. I think I’ll just step back and see how you do while you perhaps reflect on what you want in a blog.

While I could be wrong, I believe that you are going through a period of change yourself and I doubt you even know how this change will impact you and your domains. If I’m wrong, so be it and My Bad. Cheers.

508 Van Helsing  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:36:59pm

re: #493 jcm

Somewhat true. We need to be clear and on message. But also very clear we don’t want help from the fringe or endorse the message.

Ron Paul may have some good points with his originalist arguments. But he’s tainted by associations with racists, his foreign policy ideas are unworkable in the modern era, his economic ideals simplistic and isolationist. Even if some of his ideas are good, he is the wrong messenger.

The Tea Party organizers are new at this, the left is drawn to organizing, the right to individualistic. For it to succeed they need to control the message.

The left also does not do any agonizing over who is joining their parade.
They just want the bodies whether they are reasonable people or bat-shit-crazy-cheshirt-wearing thug-huggers.

509 Bloodnok  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:37:12pm

re: #499 Summer

Another good post.

510 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:37:19pm

re: #499 Summer

Please tell me you don’t trust the current plan. Because it’s put in place by the same people that caused this mess.

I don’t think you’re skeptical enough.

511 kywrite  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:37:34pm

re: #436 Sharmuta

Pardon the probable dumb question — but what’s the BBA?

512 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:37:36pm

re: #509 Bloodnok

Another good post.

Summer rocks.

513 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:37:43pm

re: #487 OldLineTexan

Hey dude!
Wie gehts?

514 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:37:57pm

Once again, Ron Paul would be a more catastrophic leader for this country than Obama.

Take his gold standard.

Money supply and a well functioning credit market is fundamental to the US’ ability to dynamically form businesses and create wealth from new ideas. That is one of the few remaining competitive advantages that we have left.

Moving to a gold standard because some paleo-economic fundamentalists think it would preserve value would fuel foreign redemptions of dollars for gold and would deplete our treasury of its gold reserves and force it to devalue the currency. So much for preserving value.

In the meantime businesses that run on tight margins would fold and forming new business of any size would be impossible. So we would walk ourselves back to a subsistence economy until we could find something we can cut down or dig up in enough quantity to sell to others in order to rebuild our gold reserves.

Good luck with that, Paulians. I’ll take stagflation over that any day.

515 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:38:05pm

re: #511 kywrite

Pardon the probable dumb question — but what’s the BBA?

See #481.

516 kywrite  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:38:34pm

re: #511 kywrite

Pardon the probable dumb question — but what’s the BBA?

Oops, balanced budget amendment. Slow in the head today.

517 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:38:53pm

re: #513 Jim in Virginia

Hey dude!
Wie gehts?

Nichts!

518 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:39:06pm

…And by the way the conservative reaction to the DHS memo about extremism only encourages more extremists to join conservative causes. They see the conservatives as giving them cover and protecting them from government scrutiny. Well, that worked out well. Didn’t it?

519 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:39:20pm

re: #307 JacksonTn

Cattt … we are not going to see eye to eye on this so I will just say this and that is all to you about it … I cannot see inside the peoples hearts and minds that attended … I do not know where it will go or what fire it will light … I hope a percentage will take it back to their districts continue to organize and vote … but we will see …

Hope is great - I too hope good things will happen. However, people need to do something substantive and worthwhile for something good to happen, and so far, we don’t see much of that. If people don’t face that fact, all the kumbaya in the world will do nothing. They will be led down the garden path.

520 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:39:51pm

re: #507 Olderthandirt

Bye now. Take care.

521 jaunte  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:39:52pm

re: #505 Sharmuta

I think they go hand in hand. You’re not going to get them to cut spending unless you force the issue. The BBA would be that force.

Sure, I just wouldn’t look forward to paying off the current debt in a short timeframe.

522 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:40:20pm

re: #499 Summer

Amazingly enough, I don’t have one either, for the following reasons:

1) I’m not an egotist who thinks she is an economic genius like almost everyone else.

2) I have listened to the real economic geniuses, understand that they admit that they are completely stumped, and accept that they have no real solution either.

Or, better yet, I’ll put it another way: The solution is that we have to pay for our mistakes.

Shitty, isn’t it? Then again, I’ll take that real solution formed by some of the economic geniuses who actually ran the economies of Wall Street for decades before I take a proposed solution from some unknown guy on the street with no credentials at all.

You can call me cheeky and skeptical, and maybe I am. But people ranting about magical solutions on the economy to me are about as “brilliant” as people ranting about how they have a hydrogen converter for your car, if only the oil companies wouldn’t be stopping them from providing the answer.

No- someone will just come along and tar you for wanting it “your way or the highway”.

523 pink freud  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:40:42pm

Good grief:

President Obama Ordered the Killing of Three Black Muslim Kids

SHARPTON: The so-called pirates, they call themselves voluntary Coast Guard in Somalia, which may be more apt.

RUSH: Well, there you have it, from one of America’s true leaders of the civil rights movement, the black community, they’re not even pirates. They are voluntary coast guards. So in fact what we have here, according to the Reverend Sharpton, these young kids, black Muslim kids, three of which were ordered shot by President Obama on Sunday afternoon, they’re just a voluntary Coast Guard trying to protect Somalia, they’re just patrolling off the coast of Somalia as sort of a voluntary National Guard, so-called pirates, they’re not really pirates, according to reverend Sharpton.

524 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:40:57pm
525 jayzee  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:40:58pm

re: #510 astronmr20

Please tell me you don’t trust the current plan. Because it’s put in place by the same people that caused this mess.

I don’t think you’re skeptical enough.

I think the whole thing shows howre: #518 Killgore Trout

…And by the way the conservative reaction to the DHS memo about extremism only encourages more extremists to join conservative causes. They see the conservatives as giving them cover and protecting them from government scrutiny. Well, that worked out well. Didn’t it?

I have a lot of friends and family that are extremely liberal now giving me the “see I told you so” line. We will not win elections acting this way.

526 Gearhead  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:41:09pm

re: #492 Dahveed

I’m a CPA too, though I don’t do any taxes but my own. I must say that I don’t know how anyone can keep track of the tax code. Personally, I think the tax code will stay the same for a good long time. The CPAs and tax lawyers make a lot of money off a tax code that is difficult to decipher.

I agree. The current tax code isn’t going anywhere unless something huge happens. It’s like trying to move the Empire State Building. I think you have to specialize in one area (such as personal or corporate) and just keep up with the code for that area.

527 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:41:12pm

Stormfront Tea Party poll update…..

Did you go to the Tea Party?

Yes 17 60.71%
No 3 10.71%
I wanted to, but couldn’t. 8 28.57%

Anyone wanna bet what the end result is going to be?

528 Racer X  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:41:37pm

re: #518 Killgore Trout

You know what is encouraging people to join with conservatives?

Barack Obama.

529 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:41:55pm

re: #521 jaunte

Sure, I just wouldn’t look forward to paying off the current debt in a short timeframe.

There’s also the issue of how the government spends it’s money. It’s very wasteful. We need real fiscal reform. I think the BBA would help bring these issues to the forefront.

530 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:42:01pm

re: #523 pink freud

Yes, I turned that crap off. If Rush was being sarcastic, it wasn’t coming across. The sharks are getting weary of being jumped, I have no doubt.

/I may go ahead and become a bear

531 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:43:12pm

Well, this certainly is great news if you love seeing your tax refunds go up in smoke in the NYC metro area. NYS is once again pursuing the tolling of all the East River bridges that are currently free. It’s the plan that simply will not die. They’re proposing imposing tolls equal to that of the subway fares, but they’re also looking to increase payroll taxes, taxes on non-city resident parking in garages, and a few other things to raise more than a $1 billion in revenue.

That’s money coming out of your pockets…

Happy tax day!

532 Wishing  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:43:37pm

re: #529 Sharmuta

There’s also the issue of how the government spends it’s money. It’s very wasteful. We need real fiscal reform. I think the BBA would help bring these issues to the forefront.

Getting the group of Richie Rich’s in the house and senate to back the BBA is as remote as a Ron Paul presidential win.

533 Bloodnok  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:44:22pm

re: #527 Killgore Trout

Stormfront Tea Party poll update…..

Did you go to the Tea Party?
Yes 17 60.71%
No 3 10.71%
I wanted to, but damn this ankle bracelet. 8 28.57%

534 jcm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:44:30pm

re: #508 Van Helsing

The left also does not do any agonizing over who is joining their parade.
They just want the bodies whether they are reasonable people or bat-shit-crazy-cheshirt-wearing thug-huggers.

Also consider the MSM, how many protests from zombie and Ringo and others does the media show what we’ve seen? Very few if any. The media is on message.

However, the one neo-nazi kook in a tea party is gonna’ get the coverage while the message was limited government, control spending, lower taxes.

535 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:44:33pm

re: #514 karmic_inquisitor
The problem is that “normal” conservatives are starting to take Ron Paul’s economics seriously. That’s why you see so many “abolish the Fed” (code for gold standard) and “Fair tax” signs at Tea party protests. Even “normal” conservative bloggers like instapundit and Hot Air are entertaining these ideas now. Their readers seem to approve of these ideas.

536 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:44:54pm

re: #524 Iron Fist

It would have been interesting to watch the pork spin to get that three-fifths necessary to exceed the rules of the amendment, but that is all it would have accomplished (if you could get such an amendment through the amendment process, which I doubt). If the people are really fed up of the spending it doesn’t take a three-fifths majority to stop it.

50% + 1, and send the spenders home.

If you can’t do that, there is no chance of getting a Constitutional Amendment on the issue past the rather high hurdles that the Amendment process requires.

Sending the spenders home only gives us a new batch of spenders with no restrictions on their power. We need to restrict their ability to spend away our futures. That is what the Constitution is supposed to be- restrictions on government power. I think the sentiment IS there to ratify this amendment in the states- the issue is getting Congress to give it to us.

537 jayzee  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:44:58pm

re: #444 Sharmuta

Amen! I needed you on the last thread. :)

Sorry bout that. Next time.

538 pink freud  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:45:14pm

re: #530 OldLineTexan

Yes, I turned that crap off. If Rush was being sarcastic, it wasn’t coming across. The sharks are getting weary of being jumped, I have no doubt.

/I may go ahead and become a bear

I cannot become a bear, no way no how …..but WTF has happened to people!?

539 MJBrutus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:45:19pm

re: #506 MJBrutus

OK, I just did a quick scan on Wikipedia. I know it seems self-explanatory, but there are wrinkles. First, off, is the question of which version of such an amendment we’re talking about. Some are more easily circumvented than others. Also, some vest more power in the President and some more in Congress.

Putting aside the enforceability aspects of a particular version, I don’t think that deficit spending is necessarily a bad thing. The problem is that our government has abused it to the max. However, if the only way to keep them from abusing credit is to tear up their credit cards, then yes, I’m all in favor.

Taking this a little farther I am more impressed by Taxpayer Bill of Rights (TABOR) that I’ve seen proposed in some states. TABOR mandates that a portion of budget surpluses be applied to a rainy day fund to cover revenue shortfalls during slower economic times. They require much stronger controls on increased spending to prevent continuing new government obligations (entitlement programs, etc).

I doubt that such a thing as TABOR would stand a chance though. If a good BBA could ever be seriously considered, I would certainly be in favor.

540 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:45:23pm

re: #532 Wishing

Getting the group of Richie Rich’s in the house and senate to back the BBA is as remote as a Ron Paul presidential win.

Your way or the highway, huh?

541 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:45:26pm

re: #523 pink freud

All you had to say was Slim Shady Sharpton. There’s your answer right there.

542 Lincolntf  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:45:31pm

re: #527 Killgore Trout

Keep choosing neo-Nazi Internet polls over the accounts of people who have actually attended these events today, and I can guarantee what result you’ll get. The exact one you want.

543 Racer X  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:45:45pm

re: #527 Killgore Trout

Do you feel you paid:

Too little taxes this year?
Too much taxes this year?
The right amount of taxes this year?

To the Federal Government?

544 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:45:47pm

Well, the Stormfront poll could get a lot bigger according to this.

Out of up to 42,700 individual visitors per day, how many do you think play a stringed instrument?

545 doppelganglander  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:46:18pm

re: #527 Killgore Trout

Stormfront Tea Party poll update…..

Did you go to the Tea Party?


Anyone wanna bet what the end result is going to be?

Why do you bother? Do you honestly believe Stormfront members represent a significant portion of the population? I don’t go to that site, ever, because I don’t want to be associated with them in the remotest way. You seem to really enjoy trying to connect a handful of insane racists with mainstream conservative Americans. I cannot fathom why you get your jollies that way.

546 HoosierHoops  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:46:41pm

OT
I notice when I feed my dog Chinese food..(he loves moo goo gai)..He is always hungry again in an hour..

547 Wishing  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:46:48pm

re: #540 Sharmuta

Your way or the highway, huh?

Did I state a way? I don’t think so.

548 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:47:13pm

re: #538 pink freud

I cannot become a bear, no way no how …..but WTF has happened to people!?

Sure you can … just shit in the woods. Bears do that, therefore you are a bear.

/easy

549 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:47:28pm

The BBA passed the house because the ‘94 republican House pledged to do so. When it didn’t pass the Senate, it was dropped. That was a fatal mistake.

We made it happen before, I think we can do it again. This time, we don’t stop until the Senate passes it to the states to ratify.

550 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:47:31pm

re: #517 OldLineTexan

Is Governor Goodhair really, seriously talking about secession?

Kay must have him worried.

551 Desert Dog  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:47:32pm

re: #546 HoosierHoops

OT
I notice when I feed my dog Chinese food..(he loves moo goo gai)..He is always hungry again in an hour..

I could feed mine an entire turkey and he would be hungry again in 10 minutes

552 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:47:44pm

re: #314 Mars Needs Neocons

And there begins the problem. I heard Newt talking third party today and almost got sick. Doesn’t anyone understand that Third party always takes away enough from one side to ensure liberal victory. I’d love to see a viable third party, but there are two many people that vote party line to make it work. All we’d guarantee is eternal liberal domination.

You mean like Nader did for Gore in 2000?

Oh, wait…

553 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:48:22pm

re: #520 Charles

Que Queen.

554 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:48:31pm

re: #499 Summer

Amazingly enough, I don’t have one either, for the following reasons:

1) I’m not an egotist who thinks she is an economic genius like almost everyone else.

Indeed. I’m a frikkin dishwasher. 401k? What the hell is that?

555 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:48:32pm

re: #543 Racer X

Just about right.

556 Desert Dog  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:48:39pm

re: #552 Cato the Elder

You mean like Nader did for Gore in 2000?

Oh, wait…

Don’t forget H. Ross giving the election to Clinton in 1992

557 jayzee  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:49:04pm

re: #552 Cato the Elder

You mean like Nader did for Gore in 2000?

Oh, wait…

There were four parties then right?

558 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:49:13pm

re: #535 Killgore Trout

The problem is that “normal” conservatives are starting to take Ron Paul’s economics seriously. That’s why you see so many “abolish the Fed” (code for gold standard) and “Fair tax” signs at Tea party protests. Even “normal” conservative bloggers like instapundit and Hot Air are entertaining these ideas now. Their readers seem to approve of these ideas.

You’re right about that. It’s the mainstreaming of Ron Paul.

Anyone who believes switching back to the gold standard is a good idea is ignorant of American history. One of the causes of the Great Depression was the fact that the gold standard was simply not a viable base for an economy the size of America’s — and our economy now is larger by an order of magnitude. There isn’t enough gold in the world to back up the US dollar.

559 Edouard  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:49:28pm

re: #436 Sharmuta

I think we can all agree that spending in Washington is out of control and we’d like to reign it in. I think protesting about it doesn’t accomplish the end result of actually restricting spending. That’s not to say folks can’t protest, but did any restriction of spending happen today because of these protests?

Does not protesting restrict spending?

I have to put in my 2 cents.

Paulbots and Stormfronters, I can’t stand em.

Their numbers are swamped, absolutely swamped, by ordinary Americans who usually don’t have time for politics. Lots and lots of ordinarily non-political people are out there. They are fed up.

No one is listening to them. They call their congresspeople or write them. Trillion dollar spending bills are passed anyway.

Some of these people are at their wits end, trying to figure out how to get someone to read their lips. At last.

Don’t pooh-pooh these people. They are pleading and no one has been listening. Where do they go? What do they do? The Republicans aren’t doing the job because, Republicans have been spending like drunken sailors right alongside Democrats.

Sharmuta, you know something like these protests had to happen. These people aren’t going to Republican organizing meetings because Republicans have let them down. And they are not Paulbots and they are not Stormfronters. They are people without a party who do not know where to turn.

That’s where all this passion — and it is a hell of a lot of passion — is coming from. The party that correctly knows how to harness that passion — and shrinks government, and lowers taxes — actually does those things rather than just giving lip-service to it — will get these people in their column.

560 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:49:51pm

re: #550 Jim in Virginia

Is Governor Goodhair really, seriously talking about secession?

Kay must have him worried.

Ricky has jumped several sharks.

I do not consider him an issue. IMO, he has topped out where he is.

He lost my support with his NAFTA superhighway shenanigans and his complete border incompetence. Bad, bad Gov. Goodhair.

561 Desert Dog  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:49:59pm

re: #555 Killgore Trout

Just about right.

Well, the government going out of control is not enough motivation for you to run the to streets in protest. What would make you do that? Anything?

562 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:50:03pm

re: #535 Killgore Trout

The problem is that “normal” conservatives are starting to take Ron Paul’s economics seriously. That’s why you see so many “abolish the Fed” (code for gold standard) and “Fair tax” signs at Tea party protests. Even “normal” conservative bloggers like instapundit and Hot Air are entertaining these ideas now. Their readers seem to approve of these ideas.

The fair tax was NOT invented by Ron Paul. It makes a lot of sense and would go a long way to stimulate the economy.

We’ve had this conversation before Kilgore, and you were not even willing to entertain the idea, because suddenly Ron Paul had a fair tax platform, too.

563 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:50:07pm

Since the Stormfront poll is so popular (update)
Did you go to the Tea Party?

Yes 19 59.38%
No 3 9.38%
I wanted to, but couldn’t. 10 31.25%
564 pink freud  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:50:16pm

re: #548 OldLineTexan

Sure you can … just shit in the woods. Bears do that, therefore you are a bear.

/easy

A pile of shit does not a bear make.

/oh wait ….

:-)

565 KingKenrod  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:50:51pm

re: #535 Killgore Trout

The problem is that “normal” conservatives are starting to take Ron Paul’s economics seriously. That’s why you see so many “abolish the Fed” (code for gold standard) and “Fair tax” signs at Tea party protests. Even “normal” conservative bloggers like instapundit and Hot Air are entertaining these ideas now. Their readers seem to approve of these ideas.

There are legitimate arguments to make for the gold standard and fair tax…Ron Paul didn’t invent them…they aren’t “Ron Paul economics”. Are you saying all libertarians are kooks?

566 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:50:52pm

re: #558 Charles

Amen to that.

567 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:50:55pm

re: #561 Desert Dog

Tea Party!

568 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:51:51pm

re: #547 Wishing

My apologies. It was not a fair thing to say. You berated me earlier, unfairly imo, and I was lashing out. That’s not how to have a productive conversation.

You seem to think the protests are valid, but when applying that energy to getting the BBA passed, you fail to see how popular sentiment can help get it passed. I find that odd. If you have candidates who won’t support the BBA- don’t elect them. When Senators who voted down the BBA come up for re-election- replace them in the primaries with candidates who do support it.

569 HoosierHoops  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:52:21pm

re: #551 Desert Dog

I could feed mine an entire turkey and he would be hungry again in 10 minutes

My dog would sell me out in a second for a KFC family bucket…And probably my first born male child for franchise rights…

570 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:52:26pm

re: #562 astronmr20

The fair tax was NOT invented by Ron Paul.


No, the concept was started by the John Birch Society and the Church of Scientology. Some time in the late’s 70’s-early 80’s as I recall.

571 Desert Dog  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:52:27pm

re: #567 Killgore Trout

Tea Party!

That would be an actual one though, right? With crumpets and scones and little finger sammiches? Not the ones with “Ron Paul Revolution” signs?

572 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:53:10pm

re: #571 Desert Dog

That would be an actual one though, right? With crumpets and scones and little finger sammiches? Not the ones with “Ron Paul Revolution” signs?

May we have watercress? Please do say “yes”!

/

573 FloridaAnole  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:53:18pm

re: #354 Summer

With all due respect to everyone on this blog, I do not think the tea parties are dominated by, or run by racists, kooks or Ronpaulistas. I have observed that this accusation is the current liberal mantra— an accusation by people that were drooling incontinently at Obama rallies a few months ago. I will say that from the sixites on I have viewed demonistrations with scorn and derision, seeing them as the recreation of people who enjoy waving placards and shouting in parking lots.

However, I don’t take well to either physical or intellectual bullying. I see in the tenor of this anti-tea party upcry an attempt to intimidate into silence anyone who refuses to be the sort of genteel, supine, ineffectual Rightist who is terrified of being called an extremist and will grovel and apologize to anyone who doesn’t agree with them.

Thus, as an probable extremist, I took myself off to the Tea Party being held in our little town. Sorry to disappoint, but this was organized by a local county administrator, our Congresscritter, and by a local superstar who once worked for the George H.W. Bush administration and now works locally with Catholic charities. No one associated with Luap Nor or any similar pest was involved. Solid conservative Republicans all. The most extreme placard I saw was “IMPEACH EVERYONE IN WASHINGTON”. The one I thought was funniest was “NOW LET’S TAKE CARE OF THE PIRATES IN WASHINGTON.”

The attendees were about one third retirees (this is Florida, after all) and two thirds working people, solidly middle class. I did not hear one racist remark, nor any cries of “Ron Paul.” The high point was congressman Posey’s description and denunciation of the way the Stimulus Package was railroaded through, with a description of some of the features of the infamous Package itself. The rally began at noon and ended precisely at 1:00 PM in order to accommodate the working people.

574 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:53:37pm

re: #570 Killgore Trout

No, the concept was started by the John Birch Society and the Church of Scientology. Some time in the late’s 70’s-early 80’s as I recall.

Not remotely.

/Are you taking the John Birch peoples’ word for it, now?

575 Desert Dog  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:54:10pm

re: #572 OldLineTexan

May we have watercress? Please do say “yes”!

/

One lump or two?

576 doppelganglander  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:54:11pm

re: #561 Desert Dog

Well, the government going out of control is not enough motivation for you to run the to streets in protest. What would make you do that? Anything?

It might interfere with the time he spends browsing Stormfront, Kos and HuffPo.

577 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:54:25pm

re: #484 HoosierHoops

You are always welcome to a cigar!
/Those Cubans never came across the border at Winsor under the spare tire with a bunch of giggling buddies on a road trip to Canada..It never happened.

Come on hook a buddy up. /
Major cigar junkie here.

578 jcm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:54:42pm

re: #558 Charles

You’re right about that. It’s the mainstreaming of Ron Paul.

Anyone who believes switching back to the gold standard is a good idea is ignorant of American history. One of the causes of the Great Depression was the fact that the gold standard was simply not a viable base for an economy the size of America’s — and our economy now is larger by an order of magnitude. There isn’t enough gold in the world to back up the US dollar.

Gold is finite.
Wealth creation in a growing economy expands.
As it expands it dilutes the “share” price of gold.

Not a difficult concept at all.

579 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:55:08pm

Birchers and Nazis and Paulbots, oh my.

/That whole shitting in the woods thing is starting to look good to y’all now, fess up. We have pine needles!

580 KingKenrod  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:55:18pm

re: #570 Killgore Trout

No, the concept was started by the John Birch Society and the Church of Scientology. Some time in the late’s 70’s-early 80’s as I recall.

Actually, the first call for a national sales tax was during the Civil War.

581 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:55:19pm

re: #578 jcm

Gold is finite.
Wealth creation in a growing economy expands.
As it expands it dilutes the “share” price of gold.

Not a difficult concept at all.

/extremist.

582 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:55:32pm

re: #575 Desert Dog

One lump or two?

Ohhh, tree or foahr.

/Pete Puma

583 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:55:48pm

re: #535 Killgore Trout

The problem is that “normal” conservatives are starting to take Ron Paul’s economics seriously. That’s why you see so many “abolish the Fed” (code for gold standard) and “Fair tax” signs at Tea party protests. Even “normal” conservative bloggers like instapundit and Hot Air are entertaining these ideas now. Their readers seem to approve of these ideas.

Yup. You are right.

But the “fair tax” ain’t new - Steve Forbes used it when he ran for the POTUS nomination ages ago.

Whenever the Republicans are in the wilderness the same themes re-emerge. I am wondering who is going to fill the “natural law” void since Alan Keyes doesn’t get any air time anymore (except in Borat films).

Reynolds at Instapundit seems to want to be part of the “me too” movement to get a rival populist ball rolling.

The better approach, IMO, is to go anti-populist. Simply say to the Obamatons “Do you have it out of your system yet? Are you happy that your phone is still tapped and the national debt doubled?” Or “Got bridge?” which can be asked of all those who have convinced themselves that there was any actual infrastructure money in the “Stimulus” package.

Their passion bought them a pork festival with nothing to show for it but debt for their grandchildren. Let them bask in it. Let them marinade in it. And remind them that their passions got it for them, and perhaps it is time for some adults to move in.

As for the “K Streeters” that pulled the Republicans off track (abandoning everything but war funding and the socon agenda), let them co opt the Tea Party movement and die with it.

584 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:56:13pm

re: #559 Edouard

These people aren’t going to Republican organizing meetings because Republicans have let them down.

I’m not disagreeing, but I will add that we ourselves have let us down by not adequately holding these people’s feet to the fire. Instead- fiscal conservatives have stayed home in protest, voted third party, etc. That only helped democrats and socialist republicans. They failed us, but we’ve failed us too.

585 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:56:16pm

Heh.

Allah at hotair has a headline for a video - “Glenn Beck interviews Ted Nugent at the Alamo - what could go wrong?”

Lol.

586 Jack Burton  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:56:44pm

re: #578 jcm

Gold is finite.
Wealth creation in a growing economy expands.
As it expands it dilutes the “share” price of gold.

Not a difficult concept at all.

It’s apparently rocket science to legions of Paulestinians and paleolibertarians.

587 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:56:48pm

re: #585 Catttt

Heh.

Allah at hotair has a headline for a video - “Glenn Beck interviews Ted Nugent at the Alamo - what could go wrong?”

Lol.

…oh crap.

588 esch  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:57:09pm

re: #585 Catttt

Heh.

Allah at hotair has a headline for a video - “Glenn Beck interviews Ted Nugent at the Alamo - what could go wrong?”

Lol.

LMAO

589 Wishing  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:57:29pm

re: #568 Sharmuta

Apology accepted.
And I am working on the local level to get fiscal conservatives up to bat. However, right now the BBA is not the priority it, perhaps, should be.
I think the TPs have been an excellent opportunity to get people motivated to get involved locally, if not on a national level. We shall see what the coming weeks brings.

590 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:57:35pm

re: #585 Catttt

Heh.

Allah at hotair has a headline for a video - “Glenn Beck interviews Ted Nugent at the Alamo - what could go wrong?”

Lol.

Did Ted pee on the Alamo? If not, no worries.

591 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:58:21pm

re: #586 ArchangelMichael

It’s apparently rocket science to legions of Paulestinians and paleolibertarians.

Rocket science:

F=ma

Maybe brain surgery?

592 Desert Dog  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:58:24pm

re: #585 Catttt

Heh.

Allah at hotair has a headline for a video - “Glenn Beck interviews Ted Nugent at the Alamo - what could go wrong?”

Lol.

Kill it and Grill It

593 Lincolntf  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:58:50pm

re: #573 FloridaAnole

Your account is pretty much identical to that of everyone else who went to a Tea Party today. People spend so much time in front of keyboards and monitors that they think that they’re dealing with the real world. They’re not.
Oh well, at least we know what the Tea Parties are really like. Hopefully they won’t get marginalized by those who get all of their info from Twitter and Facebook pages.

594 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:59:16pm
595 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:59:36pm

re: #558 Charles

You’re right about that. It’s the mainstreaming of Ron Paul.

Anyone who believes switching back to the gold standard is a good idea is ignorant of American history. One of the causes of the Great Depression was the fact that the gold standard was simply not a viable base for an economy the size of America’s — and our economy now is larger by an order of magnitude. There isn’t enough gold in the world to back up the US dollar.

Which is precisely why you’d have to devalue the dollar. Then growing the economy would depend on growing the gold supply. That, or you have to have deflation, which gets people to hoard cash, thus shrinking the economy more.

But Lew Rockwell misses 5 cent candy, so we need to go back to the gold standard. (I’d post his 5 cent candy diatribe but I respect your blog).

596 MJBrutus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:59:44pm

If I had my way, this country would have no taxes of any kind, aside from a flat tax on all sources of individual income. That is the only form of tax that requires everybody to contribute their fair share. It gives everybody incentive to see that our money is spent wisely.

Corporate taxes are nothing but a form of national sales tax. They hit the lower income harder because those folks spend every dollar they earn and thus pay the tax on all of what they earn. Those who can afford to save escape that form of taxation on the in the money they save.

A progressive income tax serves to shelter those who are exempt from the costs of government pissing our money away. They don’t pay in, so they’re all for every program that could possibly be of benefit to them. Most people are too ignorant to understand that even if they don’t pay taxes government waste brings downs our entire economy and hurts them indirectly.

But it will never happen. Taxes are as much about government controlling or influencing our behavior as they are about collecting revenue.

597 jcm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:59:48pm

re: #581 astronmr20

/extremist.

I know, I know, I like to keep and grow my property (money).

Very extreme!

598 Desert Dog  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:00:38pm

re: #594 JammieWearingFool

Uh oh, there’s some rightwing extremist type singing some hate speech on Fox News right now.

Hurry, someone call Janet Napolitano.

Or her wife.

/

We always said down here in AZ that she was the best man for the job

599 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:00:43pm

re: #589 Wishing

And I appreciate you taking my call to get involved seriously and actually getting involved.

But I didn’t appreciate your comments earlier to me. I’m not interested in leadership- you know that! You told me to run for office, and I said “no”. That doesn’t mean I don’t have ideas that I think are good and people should consider. But you slam me for things I didn’t even say. I ask a pointed question and you put words in my mouth. I didn’t appreciate it.

600 MJBrutus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:00:51pm

re: #583 karmic_inquisitor

Yup. You are right.

But the “fair tax” ain’t new - Steve Forbes used it when he ran for the POTUS nomination ages ago.

I’m pretty sure Forbes was for a flat tax.

601 Parker in US  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:00:53pm

re: #531 lawhawk

Well, this certainly is great news if you love seeing your tax refunds go up in smoke in the NYC metro area. NYS is once again pursuing the tolling of all the East River bridges that are currently free. It’s the plan that simply will not die. They’re proposing imposing tolls equal to that of the subway fares, but they’re also looking to increase payroll taxes, taxes on non-city resident parking in garages, and a few other things to raise more than a $1 billion in revenue.

That’s money coming out of your pockets…

Happy tax day!

Come to the mid-west life’s good! No tolls no traffic and the people are polite and don’t call you names.

602 Wishing  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:02:07pm

re: #599 Sharmuta

And I appreciate you taking my call to get involved seriously and actually getting involved.

But I didn’t appreciate your comments earlier to me. I’m not interested in leadership- you know that! You told me to run for office, and I said “no”. That doesn’t mean I don’t have ideas that I think are good and people should consider. But you slam me for things I didn’t even say. I ask a pointed question and you put words in my mouth. I didn’t appreciate it.

Sorry sharm, not quite factual. I did call you on you negativity towards the TPs. It came across as very hypocritical. I will continue to call you on it.

603 sleepyone  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:02:13pm

re: #598 Desert Dog

We always said down here in AZ that she was the best man for the job

Ha! I dared not comment on her suspect gender but I bow to your quip.

604 itsjustme  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:02:44pm

Charles,

Responding with sarcasm to thoughtful comments from faithful readers does not suit you well.

605 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:03:38pm

OT
Is anyone else experiencing oddities with LGF tonight? I just clicked on “reply” to a comment a while back, and got thrown out of the thread, back to the front page.

Every so often, while typing in the comment box, some whacked-out key-combination makes my page reload, losing all that I had just typed. Whacked out because I cannot reproduce the thing if I try. I know that F5 is reload, but my fingers are nowhere near F5.

Twice today I’ve somehow experienced a page refresh, only it’s not a refresh, and the last comment on the thread is way older than comments I just finished reading. Earlier this cut the whole bottom half of a thread off. I hit “new comments” and the comments did get refreshed.

606 Parker in US  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:03:43pm

re: #558 Charles

You’re right about that. It’s the mainstreaming of Ron Paul.

Anyone who believes switching back to the gold standard is a good idea is ignorant of American history. One of the causes of the Great Depression was the fact that the gold standard was simply not a viable base for an economy the size of America’s — and our economy now is larger by an order of magnitude. There isn’t enough gold in the world to back up the US dollar.

Your right there is not enough gold in the world to back the dollar so what is the the cause of this depression?

607 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:03:48pm

re: #600 MJBrutus

I’m pretty sure Forbes was for a flat tax.

I thought they are the same thing, or roughly the same.

You know - one rate for everyone with income above “x” with no deductions.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

608 alegrias  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:04:26pm

Ted Nugent did a nice guitar rendition of “The Star Spangled Banner”, which Afrocity correctly pointed out, sounded like Jimi Hendrix’s version at Woodstock or wherever Hendrix played that song with lots of feedback noise.

I personally would have preferred mezzo soprano Denyce Graves to sing the Battle Hymn of the Republic, but she sang Sunday in Washington, DC at the Easter Service at the Lincoln Memorial instead

609 JollyFatMan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:04:42pm

The gold standard was simply a ploy to nationalize all of the gold in the U.S and was based on the fear that the nation’s wealth would flee overseas after FDR began implementing his socialist utopia. Some estimates I’ve read online think up to 50% of the private gold simply disappeared after the government began confiscating it. The same would happen all over again further reducing the amount of available gold. Another competing factor is the explosion in industrial uses for gold, an example of which are gold electroplated connectors in car air bags.

Compound all of that with the increasing difficulty of finding and extracting the known gold deposits on Earth. The next deposit source is the ocean floor followed by space mining. Who here thinks that might be cheap?

Personally a “Gold standard” is unworkable. On the other hand, I wonder why the U.S. government allows a private corporation to print and control the money supply when it is the responsibility of the U.S. Congress. At the least the U.S. government could and should profit from the interest charged on loans to banks. Forgive me if this is happening, but the indications I get are the Congress is too absorbed in the wild ride of increasingly stupid and onerous legislation to be bothered with the nonsense of overseeing the Fed.

JFM

610 Max Darkside  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:05:00pm

I admit I have not read any of the comments (drive-by commenting), but he’s trying to take credit for what I consider was started by Santelli’s rallying cry. I for one am not a Paulian, but are an avid supporter of this… the people’s right to peacefully assemble and express their grievances against what is being done to them.

611 Mich-again  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:05:38pm

Somewhere in the archives during the GOP primaries and the Luap Nor hysteria LGF Poster 3-Wood spelled out how a return to the Gold Standard would impact the US and it was for all practical purposes a complete crash of the economy. Be careful what you wish for. I’ll try to dig that post up..

612 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:05:46pm

Next week Obama will take credit for the Tea Parties.

613 dapperdave  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:05:46pm

re: #606 Parker in US

There is no depression, idiot!

614 Edouard  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:05:50pm

re: #584 Sharmuta

I’m not disagreeing, but I will add that we ourselves have let us down by not adequately holding these people’s feet to the fire. Instead- fiscal conservatives have stayed home in protest, voted third party, etc. That only helped democrats and socialist republicans. They failed us, but we’ve failed us too.

I partly agree — I think some feel that they have tried to hold Republicans feet to the fire and are getting the brush off.

Reminds me of the 4-part method of Martin Luther King Jr:

1) Determine the facts of an injustice;
2) Petition authorities for redress of grievances. If petitioning fails:
3) Self-purification (Checking one’s motives to make sure they are pure);
4) Direct action.

There are lots of Stage 4 people out there. They’ve blown right through Stage 2; because the people in charge just didn’t get it and stood there like deer in headlights. The Republican party should have seen the discontent coming a mile away in the 2006 election cycle. I hope to God these protests are a wake-up call of some kind to the Republican party to become the shrink-government, reduce-taxation party at long last.

615 MJBrutus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:05:51pm

re: #607 karmic_inquisitor

I thought they are the same thing, or roughly the same.

You know - one rate for everyone with income above “x” with no deductions.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

As I understand it, a fair tax is a form of national sales tax. Money is collected from sellers of goods and services. It has provisions to refund a part of what an individual is charged based on their income level.

616 Baboon Cheeks  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:06:11pm

Reading various right-wing blogs today, it’s apparent that Glenn Beck is now being widely held up as a test of one’s ‘conservatism’. If you think he’s either a nut or an expoiter of nuts and a detriment to conservatives, then you’re not a conservative, in fact you’re most likely a ‘commie leftard moron’. This is a clear sign that there is something very, very wrong going on in the conservative world right now.

617 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:06:12pm

re: #552 Cato the Elder

You mean like Nader did for Gore in 2000?

Oh, wait…

Oops good point. Usually Nader doesn’t perform enough of an impact to upset an election.

618 pink freud  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:07:13pm

re: #604 itsjustme

Charles,

Responding with sarcasm to thoughtful comments from faithful readers does not suit you well.

I’m going to have to have my 2 cents’ worth here. This is Charles’ blog to do with as he pleases. In all the years I have been here he has shown remarkable patience and consideration and GRACIOISNESS to a whole shitload of people who for some unknown reason seem to think that their very existence entitles them to come in and say what they want, when they want, as vile as they want.

Go somewhere else if you don’t like the menu or the environment. Or ….the proprietor. It’s his house.

619 HoosierHoops  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:07:15pm

re: #605 Taqiyyotomist

Yes..I’ve had about 4 reloads and weird things happen..FF3..Probably network spikes in traffic…His site has been remarkably stable the last couple months..and wicked fast servers with big pipes always helps

620 Steffan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:07:17pm

re: #301 Taqiyyotomist

Not so much analogy as contrast. What Zombie does is exactly the opposite of MSM common practice.

Zombie, of course, is far more trustworthy as a news source than the MSM will ever be.

621 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:07:45pm

re: #602 Wishing

Except you misconstrued my point. I wasn’t denigrating the grassroots passion of reigning in uncontrolled spending in Washington. Just pointing out I think there is a more effective way for us to get what we want.

622 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:08:02pm

re: #605 Taqiyyotomist

OT
Is anyone else experiencing oddities with LGF tonight? I just clicked on “reply” to a comment a while back, and got thrown out of the thread, back to the front page.

Every so often, while typing in the comment box, some whacked-out key-combination makes my page reload, losing all that I had just typed. Whacked out because I cannot reproduce the thing if I try. I know that F5 is reload, but my fingers are nowhere near F5.

Twice today I’ve somehow experienced a page refresh, only it’s not a refresh, and the last comment on the thread is way older than comments I just finished reading. Earlier this cut the whole bottom half of a thread off. I hit “new comments” and the comments did get refreshed.

The -, +, heart, and ! tags in all of our comment boxes have been fluctuating for me. And I’ve had weird stuff happen while typing in the comment box.

623 Buster Bunny  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:08:08pm

re: #618 pink freud

Wow .. pink freud .. well said.

Kudos to ya !

624 jaunte  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:08:34pm

re: #616 Jimmah

Reading various right-wing blogs today, it’s apparent that Glenn Beck is now being widely held up as a test of one’s ‘conservatism’. If you think he’s either a nut or an expoiter of nuts and a detriment to conservatives, then you’re not a conservative, in fact you’re most likely a ‘commie leftard moron’. This is a clear sign that there is something very, very wrong going on in the conservative world right now.

That unfortunate. If people don’t get over this hysterical phase soon, Obama will be a two term president.

625 jayzee  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:09:20pm

re: #570 Killgore Trout

No, the concept was started by the John Birch Society and the Church of Scientology. Some time in the late’s 70’s-early 80’s as I recall.

We need a fairer tax system though. Not a more punitive one.

626 Afrocity  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:09:28pm

Hello Lizards. I am just doing my duty as an archivist and promoter of history to say that today is also the Anniversary of Abe Lincoln’s death and the sinking of the Titanic. I speak of it at my blog Autographed Letter Signed and urge you to remember both events today. Also the original Schindler’s list has been found in Australia. I am constantly involved in outreach to museums and archives and want to reflect that in my blog.
Please if you every have an off day, visit your local historical society or better yet donate something.

627 Jack Burton  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:09:35pm

re: #616 Jimmah

Reading various right-wing blogs today, it’s apparent that Glenn Beck is now being widely held up as a test of one’s ‘conservatism’. If you think he’s either a nut or an expoiter of nuts and a detriment to conservatives, then you’re not a conservative, in fact you’re most likely a ‘commie leftard moron’. This is a clear sign that there is something very, very wrong going on in the conservative world right now.

We’re boned…

628 Parker in US  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:09:39pm

re: #613 dapperdave

There is no depression, idiot!

Really tell that to the I don’t know how many millions of unemployed people who are losing their houses right now. Which is growing by 600,000 a month for the last how many months?

629 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:09:54pm

re: #616 Jimmah

Reading various right-wing blogs today, it’s apparent that Glenn Beck is now being widely held up as a test of one’s ‘conservatism’. If you think he’s either a nut or an expoiter of nuts and a detriment to conservatives, then you’re not a conservative, in fact you’re most likely a ‘commie leftard moron’. This is a clear sign that there is something very, very wrong going on in the conservative world right now.

Well, now I’m a commie leftard moron. I thought I was a bear.

630 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:09:57pm

re: #620 Steffan

Check my #330 for a clarification, in line with what you just posted. :)

631 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:09:58pm

re: #604 itsjustme

Charles,

Responding with sarcasm to thoughtful comments from faithful readers does not suit you well.

OK, since you refuse to get my point from what I’ve posted so far, I’ll spell it out. When one of the main tea party organizers is a kook who posts articles on hate sites, it’s not “purity of position” to speak out against it. It’s simple human decency and common sense.

Every time I speak out against Ron Paul, neo-Nazis, or European fascist groups, somebody pops up and tells me I’m “on a high horse,” “trying to be more pure than anyone else,” etc. etc. ad nauseam.

I reject that bullshit. It’s not “purity of position” to refuse to dive into a sewer.

632 Desert Dog  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:10:02pm

re: #616 Jimmah

Reading various right-wing blogs today, it’s apparent that Glenn Beck is now being widely held up as a test of one’s ‘conservatism’. If you think he’s either a nut or an expoiter of nuts and a detriment to conservatives, then you’re not a conservative, in fact you’re most likely a ‘commie leftard moron’. This is a clear sign that there is something very, very wrong going on in the conservative world right now.

I flunk then, I think he’s a looney.

633 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:10:40pm

re: #607 karmic_inquisitor

Flat Tax is usually a combination of sales tax and income tax. Western Europe has it on a progressive scale so people who earn more pay a higher percentage. It’s “flat” because there are no deductions for things like mortgage interest, business expenses, health care, etc. Eastern Europe has some countries with a true flat tax where everyone pays the same rate regardless on income.
“fair tax” is national sales tax with no income taxes. It’s a completely bogus and repeatedly debunked system that will not work although people keep pushing it anyways. The government looked into it a while ago and the numbers just don’t work.

634 Wishing  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:10:58pm

re: #621 Sharmuta

Except you misconstrued my point. I wasn’t denigrating the grassroots passion of reigning in uncontrolled spending in Washington. Just pointing out I think there is a more effective way for us to get what we want.

I think you said, What good have protests ever done, or something like that.
It was like a kick in the face, Sharmuta. When you have the momentum going, don’t throw a stumbling block in the way. When people are finally doing something to be involved, don’t chastise them for it, rather encourage further involvement.
People on this blog respect you and consider your words thoughtfully.
Please take that into consideration.

635 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:11:02pm

re: #606 Parker in US

Your right there is not enough gold in the world to back the dollar so what is the the cause of this depression?

First, it ain’t a depression. yet.

Second, the financial system operates on borrowed money. The money supply depends on borrowed money. Without borrowing, economies grow very slowly and businesses have a very difficult time forming (which is partly why oil poor Islamic nations find themselves in systemic poverty).

Third, borrowing is predicated on stable risk profiles for assets and borrowers. BOTH of those risk profiles got thrown overboard via tinkering with the community reinvestment act and the implicit promise of the government to take on any obligation that Fannie and Freddie took.

Fourth, traders and banker had convinced themselves that they had created a complex system of derivative trades that reduced both asset and borrower risk to zero. They thought they had leveraged the black scholes formula into perpetual prosperity.

They were wrong.

That isn’t a reason to return to the gold standard just as a failed drug trial is not a reason to return to leeches as therapy.

636 pink freud  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:12:08pm

re: #623 Buster Bunny

Well ….it sucks to have a typo smack-dab in the middle of a rant, but otherwise I think I got my point across. :-)

637 dapperdave  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:12:20pm

re: #628 Parker in US

When the unemployment rate reaches 20- 25% then you’ll have a case.

638 Buster Bunny  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:12:47pm

re: #635 karmic_inquisitor


That isn’t a reason to return to the gold standard just as a failed drug trial is not a reason to return to leeches as therapy.

Um .. so .. what are Democrats if not leeches being used as therapy?

639 sleepyone  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:13:22pm

re: #616 Jimmah

Reading various right-wing blogs today, it’s apparent that Glenn Beck is now being widely held up as a test of one’s ‘conservatism’. If you think he’s either a nut or an expoiter of nuts and a detriment to conservatives, then you’re not a conservative, in fact you’re most likely a ‘commie leftard moron’. This is a clear sign that there is something very, very wrong going on in the conservative world right now.

I think a lot of conservatives are feeling lost and without a leader. Beck is voicing some of the things they think so they rally behind him. I don’t know about insulting comments like “commie leftard moron” but from what I can tell by listening to hours of talk radio every day (I’m self-employed and have the radio on most of the day) and reading lots of shit on the web it seems that a good-sized percentage of the voting population feel unrepresented in Washington. People are lashing out without thinking things through. At least that’s how it appears to me.

P.S. Your avatar is f’ing great!

640 jcm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:13:58pm

re: #628 Parker in US

Really tell that to the I don’t know how many millions of unemployed people who are losing their houses right now. Which is growing by 600,000 a month for the last how many months?

When your neighbor loses his job it’s a recession.
When you lose your job it’s a depression.

641 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:14:06pm

re: #616 Jimmah

Reading various right-wing blogs today, it’s apparent that Glenn Beck is now being widely held up as a test of one’s ‘conservatism’. If you think he’s either a nut or an expoiter of nuts and a detriment to conservatives, then you’re not a conservative, in fact you’re most likely a ‘commie leftard moron’. This is a clear sign that there is something very, very wrong going on in the conservative world right now.

Tell me about it.

Since I started criticizing Beck, the freaks have come out of the woodwork, and my hate mail has gotten ridiculous. Supporting Glenn Beck has become the purity test.

A creationist John Birch-supporting mentally unstable ranter is now the flagship conservative commentator.

642 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:14:08pm

re: #615 MJBrutus

As I understand it, a fair tax is a form of national sales tax. Money is collected from sellers of goods and services. It has provisions to refund a part of what an individual is charged based on their income level.

Now that you mention it, I do remember Hewitt talking about the fair tax.

Thanks.

643 Baboon Cheeks  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:14:23pm

Another comment on reading those blogs…I’m getting sick of seeing the word “bashing” as in “they’re bashing Glenn Beck/Robert Spencer/Hot Air/Atlas Shrugs/creationists”. It’s just a whiny attempt to portray all criticism as inherently destructive and invalid.

644 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:14:28pm
645 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:14:40pm

re: #634 Wishing

I most certainly did not say that. This is what I said:

It’s great to exercise our rights, but what’s the end goal? How is the end goal accomplished by protesting? Will we be holding republicans who are big spenders accountable? Working to get fiscal conservatives on the ballots across the nation?

Do you think it was wrong of me to even ask such a thing?

646 jayzee  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:14:48pm

re: #633 Killgore Trout

Flat Tax is usually a combination of sales tax and income tax. Western Europe has it on a progressive scale so people who earn more pay a higher percentage. It’s “flat” because there are no deductions for things like mortgage interest, business expenses, health care, etc. Eastern Europe has some countries with a true flat tax where everyone pays the same rate regardless on income.
“fair tax” is national sales tax with no income taxes. It’s a completely bogus and repeatedly debunked system that will not work although people keep pushing it anyways. The government looked into it a while ago and the numbers just don’t work.

I would like to point out that we actually do have a flat tax in the USA. It’s called the AMT. The problem with it is that the rates are insane (either 26% or a combo 26% and 28% rate). The idea isn’t horrible, but it is punitive. If the base were widened and the rates cut….?

647 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:16:24pm

Paulians hatin’ on LGF again for noticing their influence on tea parties:

ronpaulforums.com

648 jdog29  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:16:30pm

And Charlie Brown’s teacher said, Wah, wah, wah….wah, wah wah wah.

649 itsjustme  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:16:42pm

re: #618 pink freud

Go somewhere else if you don’t like the menu or the environment. Or ….the proprietor. It’s his house.

I made the comment as a longtime, avid, and tremendous admirer of Charles’ work. He has amazingly spent thousands of hours of work (and I’m sure lost thousands of dollars in wages) putting out one of the best websites imagineable out there for us to read.

What you read as a disrespectful comment is actually one given by a huge fan.

650 Iwillnotsubmit  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:16:56pm

re: #137 Charles

The Boston Tea Party was organized through taxdayteaparty.com, which is Eric Odom’s site. See the earlier thead about Odom if you don’t know who he is.

NO.IT.WASNT.

Stop the BS Charles. Read the individual websites for the truth, for Boston here it is:

” If you want to attend or volunteer for a listed event, contact the event coordinator. If you want to organize a new event, contact the state coordinator AND email teapartyinfo@gmail.com. Thanks!**”

His website is a clearing house for the information for the individual tea parties. He doesnt organize a thing, except perhaps a few local to himself. Here is the website for Boston.

Boston Tea Party

If you dont want to be part of this fine but please be honest to your readers. Ours In St. Louis. organized by Dana Loesch a conservative talk show host, was filled with Veterans, hard working Americans upset with Big Government and taxes and tax increases coming down the line. Not one Ron Paul sign, not one eliminate the Fed sign, not one 9/11 was an inside job. This was a grassroots American movement concerned with whats going on.

651 Buster Bunny  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:17:33pm

re: #647 Charles

You rattled the rotten box .. and the cockroaches are scuttling for new venues.

Doin something right !

652 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:17:35pm

re: #633 Killgore Trout

Flat Tax is usually a combination of sales tax and income tax. Western Europe has it on a progressive scale so people who earn more pay a higher percentage. It’s “flat” because there are no deductions for things like mortgage interest, business expenses, health care, etc. Eastern Europe has some countries with a true flat tax where everyone pays the same rate regardless on income.
“fair tax” is national sales tax with no income taxes. It’s a completely bogus and repeatedly debunked system that will not work although people keep pushing it anyways. The government looked into it a while ago and the numbers just don’t work.

I heard mention of a 23% national sales tax except on eccentials little more than 15 minutes ago. That is bat shit crazy and it’ll kill the economy. Whatever the eccentials are that group will shrink in size so the Government could reclaim lost tax revenue as people just simply stop buying more and more goods.

653 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:17:40pm

re: #608 alegrias

Ted Nugent did a nice guitar rendition of “The Star Spangled Banner”, which Afrocity correctly pointed out, sounded like Jimi Hendrix’s version at Woodstock or wherever Hendrix played that song with lots of feedback noise.

I personally would have preferred mezzo soprano Denyce Graves to sing the Battle Hymn of the Republic, but she sang Sunday in Washington, DC at the Easter Service at the Lincoln Memorial instead

Hendrix’s Star Spangled Banner was anti-war and meant to portray the violent and warlike nature of America.
Youtube Video

Nugent’s version was nothing of the kind. Not even close. Nada.
Youtube Video

IMO.

654 FloridaAnole  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:18:15pm

re: #593 Lincolntf

Your account is pretty much identical to that of everyone else who went to a Tea Party today. People spend so much time in front of keyboards and monitors that they think that they’re dealing with the real world. They’re not.
Oh well, at least we know what the Tea Parties are really like. Hopefully they won’t get marginalized by those who get all of their info from Twitter and Facebook pages.

Agreed! The hour was strictly informational, mostly taken up by Congressman Posey’s explication on the demerits of the Stimulus package, a historical perspective including Thomas Jefferson’s analysis of what would happen should a country become as fiscally improvident as we have become, and a fiscal analysis by the local hero who was among other things a summa cum laude graduate in accounting at Notre Dame. No Nuremberg-style ranting or chanting. Actually, a rather pleasant experience. I would recommend that some of the nay-sayers here attend a tea party, hang on the fringes of the crowd for a quick escape, in case it’s not to their taste.

655 Lightspeed  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:18:22pm

Went to a Tea Party in Metairie, LA. There were maybe 1200-1500 people there. There wasn’t a single Paulian in evidence, though I am sure some were there. The signs were mostly typical conservative red meat. Nothing racist, sexist, wacky, or kooky. OK, there was a guy with a “I’m a right-wing extremist” sign. Oh yeah, and Alex Jones supporter with Infowars.com banners. Even they were pretty quiet, though, and if you didn’t know what Infowars.com was you wouldn’t have thought there was anything odd about them. Probably 90+ percent of the people there were normal, quiet conservatives who have never before in their lives been to a protest. It was certainly my first. This was NOT a group of extremists. I don’t care if Ron Paul and his ilk want to claim credit for organizing these things, they didn’t and they were certainly not a visible or vocal part of the protest in my area. Charles has it all wrong. This is not a fringe movement and even if it started out that way, it is the down-to-Earth, hard-working, true-blue Americans who showed up today and it is they that will steer the movement, not Paulians, Alex Jones nuts, Birchers, or whatever. Time will tell.

656 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:18:36pm

re: #647 Charles


you have to be kidding? read the comments he calls Ron Paul supporters “kooks”


Outrage!

657 MJBrutus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:18:40pm

re: #650 Iwillnotsubmit

The one in Raleigh was put together by Americans for Prosperity. A perfectly respectable organization, promoting lower taxes and responsible government spending.

658 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:18:48pm

re: #650 Iwillnotsubmit

NO.IT.WASNT.

Stop the BS Charles. Read the individual websites for the truth, for Boston here it is:

” If you want to attend or volunteer for a listed event, contact the event coordinator. If you want to organize a new event, contact the state coordinator AND email teapartyinfo@gmail.com. Thanks!**”

His website is a clearing house for the information for the individual tea parties. He doesnt organize a thing, except perhaps a few local to himself. Here is the website for Boston.

Boston Tea Party

If you don’t want to be associated with Ron Paul, maybe you should not list your event on a Ron Paul drone’s website. Of course, it’s your choice. Maybe you’d rather hate me for pointing out.

659 Max Darkside  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:19:24pm

re: #641 Charles

I think what we are seeing is as the country further ideologically splits, magnetic-like polarity repels people to the poles (extremes) into two statistical belief distributions and what was solid left becomes centrist to those in one distribution and solid-right becomes centrist to others. The guy truly in the middle is left standing there going “Hey! What the heck!”.

660 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:19:51pm

re: #631 Charles

So, are the Ronulans behind the Tea Party events to the same degree that International A.N.S.W.E.R. was behind the “anti-war” protests?

661 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:20:03pm

re: #632 Desert Dog

I flunk then, I think he’s a looney.

Desert Dog -

I believe Mr. Beck is first and foremost, an Entertainer. As for Congressman Paul - Sorry, that “feller” Santinelli on CNBC was first to suggest “Tea Parties” - AND - My Recollection has MOI! suggesting Letters of Marque on this blog several days ago. Perhaps the good Congressman reads LGF.
Congressman Paul and I generally agree on a “libertarian” approach to economics. We disagree on about 80% of everything else. Using the “Ed Koch” formulation in reverse, I guess I am still sane.

-S-

662 Edouard  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:20:06pm

re: #613 dapperdave

There is no depression, idiot!

Once upon a time, “recession” was in fact a worse economic term than “depression” — when you think about the literal meaning of the two words, it makes sense. “Depression” gained its worse connotation with an economic downturn that was only supposed to be a temporary “depression” and then turned into “The Great Depression”.

Fact of the matter is, until we truly see the light at the end of the tunnel for this current downturn, we can’t really say for sure which term it deserves.

663 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:20:20pm

re: #633 Killgore Trout

Flat Tax is usually a combination of sales tax and income tax. Western Europe has it on a progressive scale so people who earn more pay a higher percentage. It’s “flat” because there are no deductions for things like mortgage interest, business expenses, health care, etc. Eastern Europe has some countries with a true flat tax where everyone pays the same rate regardless on income.
“fair tax” is national sales tax with no income taxes. It’s a completely bogus and repeatedly debunked system that will not work although people keep pushing it anyways. The government looked into it a while ago and the numbers just don’t work.

the govt looked into it. They can’t be wrong.
/

664 jcm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:20:54pm

re: #652 Idle Drifter

I heard mention of a 23% national sales tax except on eccentials little more than 15 minutes ago. That is bat shit crazy and it’ll kill the economy. Whatever the eccentials are that group will shrink in size so the Government could reclaim lost tax revenue as people just simply stop buying more and more goods.

As long as all other taxes, fees etc… are dropped it might work.
For all my taxing districts, and all the hidden fees in WA state 41% of my income in taxes.

I’d swap that for my gross paycheck and a 23% consumption tax in a heartbeat.

665 Buster Bunny  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:20:59pm

re: #662 Edouard

I choose the expression … THE UNNECESSARY DOWNTURN.

666 pink freud  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:21:09pm

re: #649 itsjustme

I made the comment as a longtime, avid, and tremendous admirer of Charles’ work. He has amazingly spent thousands of hours of work (and I’m sure lost thousands of dollars in wages) putting out one of the best websites imagineable out there for us to read.

What you read as a disrespectful comment is actually one given by a huge fan.

I maintain my position. You can’t accept an invitation into someone’s house and then tell them how to act, what to say, what to think. We’re all guests. For me, that means minding my manners and taking care that my comments don’t have that disrespectful tone.

667 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:21:24pm

re: #638 Buster Bunny

Um .. so .. what are Democrats if not leeches being used as therapy?

So my opposition to Ron Paul’s “solutions” means I support Democrats?

How binary.

668 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:21:46pm

Additionally, Wishing- it was at my first BPOU meeting where the Chair asked for my input. I asked a question, the same question I asked today, “What is the end goal?” That Chair continues to this day to treat me with respect because it had never dawned on any of his other members to even ask such a simple question. It wasn’t viewed as denigrating them. It was viewed as important to figure out exactly what our goals were, as a beneficial question.

669 Last Mohican  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:22:04pm

re: #647 Charles

Paulians hatin’ on LGF again for noticing their influence on tea parties:

[Link: www.ronpaulforums.com…]

It seems like there’s actually a defender of LGF over there, who thinks that Charles is secretly pro-Paul. Someone said this:

lmao
that guy isnt smearing or complaining or bashing. again this is satire. if youre writing on an anti Ron Paul website you subtly say something without saying it. reverse psychology 101. Satire 101
good job and a nice article. ofcourse he has to word it well since hes on an anti Ron Paul website

But then another guy rebuts:

This is a neocon site, not satire

A strong accusation. But he forgot to mention how we’re radioactive blood-sucking cockroaches.

670 Wishing  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:22:21pm

re: #645 Sharmuta

I most certainly did not say that. This is what I said:

Do you think it was wrong of me to even ask such a thing?

This is what you said prior to that question, I believe:
31 Sharmuta 4/15/2009 4:02:14 pm PDT
Curious- why do people think these protests are going to accomplish anything?

I would stay and continue the convo, but I have to shuffle off and earn my taxes.
Cya tomorrow, Lizards!

672 sleepyone  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:22:50pm

re: #653 Spare O’Lake

Hendrix’s Star Spangled Banner was anti-war and meant to portray the violent and warlike nature of America.

[Video]

IMO.

Not just your opinion. You are right.

673 JollyFatMan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:23:04pm

Well,

Now that Odom has been outed and that is the reason for not wanting to participate, I suggest a solution.

Roundly denounce the Odom fella and his site. Have folks tell as many organizers as possible who this guy is and why they should not list their event at his site.

Establish a legitimate neutral site for the organizers to post to. Follow up by reminding them who they are unwittingly associating with when they list an event at Odom’s site.

Eventually, the kooks and kook associates are outed and problem solved. Ignoring it or disassociating from what would otherwise be a legitimate movement are really not solutions for anything but sitting on thumbs and complaining; both of which are the causes of a bad case of chapped ass with no Preparation-H.

JFM

674 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:23:30pm

re: #670 Wishing

So questions are not allowed. Duly noted.

675 jcm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:23:31pm

re: #669 Last Mohican

….we’re radioactive blood-sucking cockroaches.

We did that happen? I how come I didn’t get the memo!

Jeeze no one tells me anything!

676 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:23:32pm

re: #641 Charles

A creationist John Birch-supporting mentally unstable ranter is now the flagship conservative commentator.

I wonder what Rush thinks about that? No I don’t. His audience dwarf’s this Glenn fella’s. TV, though, yep. Sad, but not at all surprising.

677 Buster Bunny  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:23:45pm

re: #667 karmic_inquisitor

So my opposition to Ron Paul’s “solutions” means I support Democrats?

How binary.

No it means you lie neatly in the middle and find yourself pressurised by both sides in an effort to squeeze the maximum effect out of you as a possible ream of support without necessarily inducting you into their club.

678 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:24:06pm

re: #662 Edouard

Edouard -

The term “Depression” - in its day - was a Politically Correct way of saying “PANIC!” That is all.

-S-

679 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:24:12pm

re: #660 Dar ul Harb

If they are, they’ve been much more stealthy about it, from the reports here.

No professionally printed signs, etc.

680 The False God  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:24:15pm

Is it okay if I declare the end times now, just to skip the Christmas rush?

Because it sure is looking like R.E.M. was right.

681 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:24:20pm

re: #673 JollyFatMan

Now that Odom has been outed and that is the reason for not wanting to participate, I suggest a solution.

Roundly denounce the Odom fella and his site. Have folks tell as many organizers as possible who this guy is and why they should not list their event at his site.

Good luck with that.

682 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:24:40pm

The MSM is being really stupid and snotty about the tea parties. That one CNN reporter took the cake - snarling, arguing, interrupting, dissing fox, accusing people of being obscene and so forth.

However, one thing I know - the average family going to these events today will not find it amusing when the MSM talking heads go on and on and on about teabagging. If they don’t know what it means, they’ll be annoyed. If they do, they’ll be covering their children’s ears.

683 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:24:58pm
684 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:24:59pm
685 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:25:07pm

re: #680 The False God

Is it okay if I declare the end times now, just to skip the Christmas rush?

Because it sure is looking like R.E.M. was right.

do you know teh spacejeebus?

/

686 Lincolntf  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:25:14pm

re: #669 Last Mohican

Paulians discussing how relevant Paulians are is so 2008.

687 dapperdave  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:25:15pm

re: #662 Edouard

I’ll have to disagree, it sounds like a lot of folks are drinking the Glenn Beck Kool-aid of doom and gloom, yes things have been better in the past and things could be a lot worse. The fact of the matter is things will get a whole lot better when we get this clown out of office and put someone in there who knows what the hell they are doing.

688 MJBrutus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:25:32pm

re: #659 Max Darkside

I think what we are seeing is as the country further ideologically splits, magnetic-like polarity repels people to the poles (extremes) into two statistical belief distributions and what was solid left becomes centrist to those in one distribution and solid-right becomes centrist to others. The guy truly in the middle is left standing there going “Hey! What the heck!”.

What worries me the most, is that I think the center really has shifted to the left. I think that people in this country really do want more government. I think that more and more people really do want “free” education (including college) and health care and day care and a guaranteed comfortable retirement and on and on. I think that people have become naive about the dangers that countries like Iran or terrorists pose to us. I think that people really do feel that China and Russia have our best interests at heart and that peace can come from negotiating with despots. I think that it has been too long since we have faced an existential challenge and people are unwilling to believe that it could happen.

689 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:25:57pm

re: #683 Iwillnotsubmit

Bye now. You take care.

690 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:26:16pm
691 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:26:18pm

re: #673 JollyFatMan

Well,

Now that Odom has been outed and that is the reason for not wanting to participate, I suggest a solution.

Roundly denounce the Odom fella and his site. Have folks tell as many organizers as possible who this guy is and why they should not list their event at his site.

Establish a legitimate neutral site for the organizers to post to. Follow up by reminding them who they are unwittingly associating with when they list an event at Odom’s site.

Eventually, the kooks and kook associates are outed and problem solved. Ignoring it or disassociating from what would otherwise be a legitimate movement are really not solutions for anything but sitting on thumbs and complaining; both of which are the causes of a bad case of chapped ass with no Preparation-H.

JFM

Actually, those are good ideas, but it will be difficult. I have to admit, everything looks difficult to me right now - I am really pooped.

692 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:26:25pm
693 mph  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:26:26pm

Was at the NYC tea party tonight — overall, an impressive collection of people. Yes, there were definitely some Ron Paul loons — and loons of the Pam Gellar variety (funny, she took my photo because she liked my t-shirt — she was floating all around)…but there were clearly a number of well grounded folks there too. If I had to estimate attendance, I’d say 3000 to 4000 people.

694 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:26:29pm

re: #643 Jimmah

I couldn’t agree more. We can thank various left-wing organizations for taking the word “bashing” and applying it to any criticism at all. The left likes doing that - taking words and redefining them.

Was there blood? Bruises? No? Then it wasn’t bashing.

Hyperbole is not good.

695 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:27:21pm

re: #692 MandyManners

Great minds think alike. :D

696 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:27:22pm
697 Last Mohican  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:27:39pm

re: #675 jcm

We did that happen? I how come I didn’t get the memo!

Jeeze no one tells me anything!

Here ya go.

We’re not only radioactive blood-sucking cockroaches, but also vile war pigs! However, don’t feel bad, because there are war pigs on the far side of the planet Uranus who are even more vile.

698 The False God  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:28:09pm

re: #685 OldLineTexan

do you know teh spacejeebus?

/

No, but what does God need with a starship?

699 NY Nana  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:28:13pm

/Are Onray Aulpay and Jimmy the Jew hater twins seperated at birth? They both have the hatred of Jews in their veins….

Youtube Video

Youtube Video

700 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:28:18pm

re: #660 Dar ul Harb

So, are the Ronulans behind the Tea Party events to the same degree that International A.N.S.W.E.R. was behind the “anti-war” protests?

Unless the Ronulans have a wallet like Soros’, then I’d guess no.
Is there any connection between Soros’ multifarious orgs and Paulians?

701 jcm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:28:22pm

re: #688 MJBrutus

What worries me the most, is that I think the center really has shifted to the left. I think that people in this country really do want more government. I think that more and more people really do want “free” education (including college) and health care and day care and a guaranteed comfortable retirement and on and on. I think that people have become naive about the dangers that countries like Iran or terrorists pose to us. I think that people really do feel that China and Russia have our best interests at heart and that peace can come from negotiating with despots. I think that it has been too long since we have faced an existential challenge and people are unwilling to believe that it could happen.

I don’t the the center has shifted.

It’s 60% in the middle, no so much ideological as they don’t pay that much attention. They for the most part get their info from the MSM.

702 sleepyone  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:28:43pm

Hey Charles, OT but,

I noticed when I click on my avatar it says number of links posted “0” but I have indeed included several links in my comments over time. Am I not understanding or missing something?

// and yes, I am vain enough to click on my own avatar!

703 FloridaAnole  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:28:55pm

re: #616 Jimmah

Reading various right-wing blogs today, it’s apparent that Glenn Beck is now being widely held up as a test of one’s ‘conservatism’. If you think he’s either a nut or an expoiter of nuts and a detriment to conservatives, then you’re not a conservative, in fact you’re most likely a ‘commie leftard moron’. This is a clear sign that there is something very, very wrong going on in the conservative world right now.

Why all this hoohah about Glen Beck? I mean, the guy’s an entertainer for catssake. Period. Exclamation Point He’s sort of a combination of Mort Sahl and the comedian Gallagher. I can’t believe that people are actually looking at him as a serious political leader. However, I think this is a sign of a conservative leaders being AWOL the last eight years, rather than a sign of something terribly wrong.

704 Baboon Cheeks  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:29:30pm

re: #641 Charles

Tell me about it.

Since I started criticizing Beck, the freaks have come out of the woodwork, and my hate mail has gotten ridiculous. Supporting Glenn Beck has become the purity test.

A creationist John Birch-supporting mentally unstable ranter is now the flagship conservative commentator.

I thought the conservatives might go a little bit nuts following Obama’s win, but what we’re seeing now in the blogosphere and beyond is a lot worse than I expected. I just hope this insanity fizzles out when the economy recovers, but at the moment I’m not feeling too optimistic. These kind of opinions and stances have a way of becoming entrenched.

705 Last Mohican  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:29:39pm

re: #686 Lincolntf

Paulians discussing how relevant Paulians are is so 2008.

Remember that time when the Paulians’ boycott brought Fox News’s parent company to the very brink of bankruptcy? Oh, how relevant the Paulians were back then.

706 pink freud  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:29:51pm

re: #693 mph

Was at the NYC tea party tonight — overall, an impressive collection of people. Yes, there were definitely some Ron Paul loons — and loons of the Pam Gellar variety (funny, she took my photo because she liked my t-shirt — she was floating all around)...but there were clearly a number of well grounded folks there too. If I had to estimate attendance, I’d say 3000 to 4000 people.

(common among people not firmly rooted in reality)

707 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:29:53pm

Cousin Fist- the Constitution most certainly established our form of government- it also restricts the power of the government. It was designed to because the Founders realized that without restrictions on the powers of the government, the Revolution was in vain.

It’s been a long time since I’ve read The Federalist Papers, but it’s spelled out in those essays what the Framers intended- to restrict the scope and the power of the government over the citizens.

708 Buster Bunny  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:30:01pm

re: #701 jcm

I don’t the the center has shifted.

It’s 60% in the middle, no so much ideological as they don’t pay that much attention. They for the most part get their info from the MSM.

The battleground has shifted .. and the Democrats have raised the bar in how they plan on keeping power. So either the Republicans raise their game .. or .. we create a new party that does play ball.

709 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:30:11pm

My Barking Moonbat Brother (MBMB™) and I were debating today about the meltdown on the right. He sees it as just deserts for all the evil conservatives have caused. I see it as the mirror image of the left. He sees no real difference between LGF and Atlas - it’s just a pissing match between two versions of the same dogma, to him. When I pointed out that the same could be said by anyone who automatically discounts anything espoused on the left, without bothering to read it, things got interesting.

In fact, the “conversation” (email) came to a precipitous, screeching halt when he told me, quote: “There. Is. No. Liberal. Dogma.”

I expect there are people here who feel the same way about the always-correct “conservative movement”, whatever that happens to mean at the moment. “We” are right and “they” are wrong, and we must stick together, Coulter, Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, Malkin, JihadWatch, and God knows what else, and why? Because they all hate the same people we’re supposed to hate.

Well, I’m sorry, but there is no “we” for me. I don’t base my politics on paranoia and phobia. There is logic and nonsense, goodwill and screaming, putrid hate, intellectual honesty (enough to see that some critiques by the left are right on target, while some screeds on the right are flaming idiocy), and I’ll be damned if I’ll be stampeded into putting on a silly, ill-fitting “revolutionary era” costume and wind up attending a rally with Medea Benjamin.

Les extremes ses touchent. A pox on all their houses. May their karmas run over their dogmas. May they meet on the dark side of the moon and implode in a sad singularity of unreason.

LGF has not stood still, but continues to evolve with the times. Charles started out mocking President Bush and ended up supporting him after 9/11. When he made mistakes, he called him on it. When Obama does something right, he gives him credit. And he takes shit from all sides each and every day for calling it like he sees it.

All the dogmatists on the left and the right can kiss my liberally educated Roman republican rump.

710 esch  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:30:16pm

re: #688 MJBrutus

What worries me the most, is that I think the center really has shifted to the left. I think that people in this country really do want more government. I think that more and more people really do want “free” education (including college) and health care and day care and a guaranteed comfortable retirement and on and on. I think that people have become naive about the dangers that countries like Iran or terrorists pose to us. I think that people really do feel that China and Russia have our best interests at heart and that peace can come from negotiating with despots. I think that it has been too long since we have faced an existential challenge and people are unwilling to believe that it could happen.

2 generations of public school students have been indoctrinated into socialism. Believing that there is an infinite amount of resources available to take care of them. Too bad all that Western style socialism has dependence on a strong U.S. at it’s core. Without us helping them out, most of those countries would collapse into instant bankruptcy and/or chaos.

Only a long period of painful consequences is going to educate a sufficient amount of people to the reality of their youthful delusion. Then perhaps a broker, wiser nation can start again.

711 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:30:18pm

re: #696 MandyManners

Where is the Conservative George Soros?

Right here, babe.

What’s up? You need a billion or two?

712 will_not_back_down  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:30:36pm

re: #689 Charles

Lol…I picture you blowing your finger tip after hitting enter…

713 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:30:37pm

re: #698 The False God

No, but what does God need with a starship?

Pinewood derby?

714 esch  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:30:45pm

re: #696 MandyManners

Where is the Conservative George Soros?

Working on it. 8)

715 kansas  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:30:49pm

re: #682 Catttt

The MSM is being really stupid and snotty about the tea parties. That one CNN reporter took the cake - snarling, arguing, interrupting, dissing fox, accusing people of being obscene and so forth.

However, one thing I know - the average family going to these events today will not find it amusing when the MSM talking heads go on and on and on about teabagging. If they don’t know what it means, they’ll be annoyed. If they do, they’ll be covering their children’s ears.

Anderson Cooper talked like he knew what it was. And the snotty woman on CNN almost screamed at the guy that he must not know his state would get 50 billion dollars. I guess she missed the point, huh? Then there was the reporter who made her whole report about there not being any blacks at the rally. I guess we gotta take their word on that one. What a mess.

716 MJBrutus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:30:50pm

L8r lizards.

We won’t agree anytime soon about the Tea Parties Charles, but I still love LGF and the great job you do here. I know how much you value your credibility and I see your objections to the Tea Parties as another chance to disassociate yourself from the kooks who want to take credit for them. I don’t see them as being anything but marginalized by their failure to influence the events of today. But that’s just my $.02

717 Boxy_brown  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:31:01pm

re: #437 Killgore Trout

Stormfront poll update….


Acorn iz spammin’ mah nazi poll!

Who are you going to believe, your own lying eyes or stormfront?

/Killgore Trout

718 MJBrutus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:31:51pm

re: #710 esch

2 generations of public school students have been indoctrinated into socialism. Believing that there is an infinite amount of resources available to take care of them. Too bad all that Western style socialism has dependence on a strong U.S. at it’s core. Without us helping them out, most of those countries would collapse into instant bankruptcy and/or chaos.

Only a long period of painful consequences is going to educate a sufficient amount of people to the reality of their youthful delusion. Then perhaps a broker, wiser nation can start again.

Exactly. I’m afraid that that’s the way I see it.

719 Bloodnok  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:31:57pm

re: #709 Cato the Elder

Excellent.

720 NY Nana  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:32:15pm

re: #666 pink freud

Beautifully said.

It is akin to soiling the carpets in your host’s home.

721 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:32:23pm

re: #668 Sharmuta

Additionally, Wishing- it was at my first BPOU meeting where the Chair asked for my input. I asked a question, the same question I asked today, “What is the end goal?” That Chair continues to this day to treat me with respect because it had never dawned on any of his other members to even ask such a simple question. It wasn’t viewed as denigrating them. It was viewed as important to figure out exactly what our goals were, as a beneficial question.

It sounds like you posed a logical, polite question.

Had you said something along the lines of “Curious- why do people think these (insert issue here) are going to accomplish anything?” the reaction from the Chair may have been slightly different.

722 So What  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:32:53pm

Based on the outcome of low numbers as Keith Oblemann used as in a comparison of protests of “Bush’s” war and tea baggers Obltoon still hasn’t the viewers that remotely make his opinion and his viewers as being relevant

723 Gearhead  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:32:54pm

re: #711 Occasional Reader

Right here, babe.

What’s up? You need a billion or two?

(afraid to ask what I need to do to get some stimulus)

724 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:33:04pm

re: #709 Cato the Elder

and I’ll be damned if I’ll be stampeded into putting on a silly, ill-fitting “revolutionary era” costume and wind up attending a rally with Medea Benjamin.

Could we please at least drop the talking point that Medea Benjamin was attending the Tea Party protest as a participant? She was a counterprotester. Let’s keep things honest.

725 Van Helsing  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:33:39pm

re: #696 MandyManners

Where is the Conservative George Soros?

It was my understanding that, generally conservatives have souls.

726 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:33:55pm

re: #631 Charles

OK, since you refuse to get my point from what I’ve posted so far, I’ll spell it out. When one of the main tea party organizers is a kook who posts articles on hate sites, it’s not “purity of position” to speak out against it. It’s simple human decency and common sense.

Every time I speak out against Ron Paul, neo-Nazis, or European fascist groups, somebody pops up and tells me I’m “on a high horse,” “trying to be more pure than anyone else,” etc. etc. ad nauseam.

I reject that bullshit. It’s not “purity of position” to refuse to dive into a sewer.

The Bullshit Baron over at GoV scoffs that you can pride yourself on having a 100% Nazi-free site. He thinks there’s something laughable about that.

This is what their hate has brought them to.

727 jimash  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:34:03pm

Wow I don’t get what some people see in Ron Paul.
Simplistic crap delivered with a squint that only a man who has looked up 4000
hoo-hoos could manage.

728 Baboon Cheeks  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:34:38pm

re: #639 sleepyone

I think a lot of conservatives are feeling lost and without a leader. Beck is voicing some of the things they think so they rally behind him.

Pied pipers tend to play popular tunes.


P.S. Your avatar is f’ing great!

Cheers!

729 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:34:39pm

re: #727 jimash

Wow I don’t get what some people see in Ron Paul.
Simplistic crap delivered with a squint that only a man who has looked up 4000
hoo-hoos could manage.

No you didn’t!

lol lol

730 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:34:44pm

re: #698 The False God

No, but what does God need with a starship?

Path of the Fury - Tisiphane made good use of one. :D

731 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:34:59pm

re: #724 Occasional Reader

Could we please at least drop the talking point that Medea Benjamin was attending the Tea Party protest as a participant? She was a counterprotester. Let’s keep things honest.

Good luck with that. Everyone in that picture with her is now a CodePinker.

732 Lincolntf  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:35:30pm

re: #724 Occasional Reader

I think this is one of those issues that is destined for mis-representation by those who just want a brandy-new “thing” to rail against. 99% of the actual, real world experiences with the Tea Parties today bear zero resemblance to the organizations/movements being opposed.

733 kansas  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:35:32pm

re: #727 jimash

Wow I don’t get what some people see in Ron Paul.
Simplistic crap delivered with a squint that only a man who has looked up 4000
hoo-hoos could manage.

I believe if you check the medical term is hoo hah.

734 Gearhead  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:35:48pm

re: #727 jimash

…4000 hoo-hoos…


I now have a name for my band. Thank you!

735 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:35:50pm

re: #723 Gearhead

(afraid to ask what I need to do to get some stimulus)

First question: Do you look like Adriana Lima?

736 jdog29  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:35:58pm

This whole mess has been caused by honoring dishonest scales in our economy. Any time a lie is promoted as the truth, it does not cease to be a lie.

The scale saying a person collecting only gov’t benefits is equal to the person working 2 jobs for the last 4 years when being considered for approval for a home loan IS DISHONEST and hurts our economy.

The system allowing the bundling of all that bad debt in the form of mortgages would be akin to giving an annuitized rate for a 60 year old to a 70 year old. IT IS A DISHONEST SCALE and hurts everyone involved. How long will it take the actuaries to figure out where the mistake was made? Not long.

When dishonest scales are propped up with bailout money guess what happens? More dishonest scales keep popping up waiting to be rewarded for their dishonesty.

Can’t I get someone to buy aluminum at gold prices? Sure, if I lie to them and say they are buying gold and they believe me. Counterfeit money doesn’t hurt the economy if people will just keep passing it around. The whole ponzi scheme will come crashing down sooner rather than later and printing up a extra trillion or ten trillion won’t change a thing.

That’s what these Tea Parties are about.

737 Parker in US  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:36:29pm

re: #635 karmic_inquisitor

First, it ain’t a depression. yet.

Second, the financial system operates on borrowed money. The money supply depends on borrowed money. Without borrowing, economies grow very slowly and businesses have a very difficult time forming (which is partly why oil poor Islamic nations find themselves in systemic poverty).

Third, borrowing is predicated on stable risk profiles for assets and borrowers. BOTH of those risk profiles got thrown overboard via tinkering with the community reinvestment act and the implicit promise of the government to take on any obligation that Fannie and Freddie took.

Fourth, traders and banker had convinced themselves that they had created a complex system of derivative trades that reduced both asset and borrower risk to zero. They thought they had leveraged the black scholes formula into perpetual prosperity.

They were wrong.

That isn’t a reason to return to the gold standard just as a failed drug trial is not a reason to return to leeches as therapy.

I agree there is no growth without borrowing I own 3 corporations without credit I’m dead. But I think you are wrong depression is here and you better get ready because things are gonna get a lot worse before they get better. I also agree with the community reinvestment act as being the cause along with congress telling Fanny and Freddie to increase their exposure a few years ago totally ignoring the advise of the regulator.

738 pink freud  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:36:29pm

re: #727 jimash

Wow I don’t get what some people see in Ron Paul.
Simplistic crap delivered with a squint that only a man who has looked up 4000
hoo-hoos could manage.

“hoo-hahs”

LOL!

739 jcm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:36:52pm

re: #697 Last Mohican

Here ya go.

We’re not only radioactive blood-sucking cockroaches, but also vile war pigs! However, don’t feel bad, because there are war pigs on the far side of the planet Uranus who are even more vile.

Dang, I should frame that one and hang it on my wall!

740 Bobblehead  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:37:09pm

From “Instapundit”

KANSAS CITY STAR: Desperate to Dismiss The Tea Parties. “Democrats and other skeptics are desperate to dismiss the tea parties that popped up across the country today… . This eagerness to explain away this movement is telling, suggesting the skeptics see these gatherings as a real threat. Certainly the tea parties have an anti-Obama slant, but what we’re seeing is something outside the normal dynamics of Democrat-Republican tension… . It isn’t clear yet what the tea party movement is all about, but it can’t be dismissed as something that simply arose from shadowy GOP organizers.”

Seems reasonable. I hear 7/4/09 is the next big gathering. Let’s see what transpires in the next couple of months to get people even more fired up.

741 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:37:17pm

re: #664 jcm

As long as all other taxes, fees etc… are dropped it might work.
For all my taxing districts, and all the hidden fees in WA state 41% of my income in taxes.

I’d swap that for my gross paycheck and a 23% consumption tax in a heartbeat.

I’d rather have a low 5% flat rate income with no deductibles to free up the billions in wasted dollars in processing taxes leaving sales tax to the states. I’d also like to see certain government programs such as Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid reorganized into individual accounts with such accounts going to beneficiairies of the taxpayer’s chosing as part of a legacy program in the event of death. The tax problems are just symptoms of a much bigger problem of wasted time and money of constant government growth.

742 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:37:32pm

re: #717 Boxy_brown

That calls for a Stormfront poll update!
Did you go to the Tea Party?

Yes 33 61.11%
No 7 12.96%
I wanted to, but couldn’t. 14 25.93%


The numbers are pretty steady even now that there are more responses. I’d say it’s pretty representative of the neo-Nazi community. A measly 13% have no interest in Tea Parties. What could go wrong?

743 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:37:57pm
744 HoosierHoops  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:38:01pm

re: #692 MandyManners

Say it Mandy..just say it..This is the perfect moment in time..
For all you people that didn’t vote for McCain….

745 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:38:35pm

re: #696 MandyManners

Where is the Conservative George Soros?

Mandy -

Probably trying tho preserve his/her wealth - perhaps even attending “Obamist” cocktail parties. That person is probably wealthy from an “IT” business. If/When things get bad enough, that person will surface as in the recent past. Think for a moment of who has the MOST to lose and I believe you will come up with the answer.

-S-

746 Gearhead  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:38:38pm

re: #735 Occasional Reader

First question: Do you look like Adriana Lima?

If Adriana Lima has hairy legs, then yes.

747 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:38:45pm
748 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:38:58pm

Balanced Budget Amendment? Ron Paul supports it.

ontheissues.org

You don’t get to a better place by passing more laws. Instead, you start by repealing the laws that put you in your current condition.

749 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:39:13pm

re: #743 taxfreekiller

Facts will speak for themselves as they always do.

The Dallas Tea Party went off fine. No need of a vid, just
1. Pledge of allegiance
2. speeches
3. signs
4. cheers
5. words about clean up after the deal
6. words about nonviolence
7. to much tax
8. Congress is not worth a shit.
9. register people to vote, sign up to be a deputy vote reg. person and reg. new voters and get out the vote in 2010
10. wild stuff like that.

Word from our friends in Rockwall County, smallest county in Texas,
they had 2,500 no trouble, 5 speakers, no trouble, flags, 3 of the speakers were Viet Nam Vets, no ron pauls at all.

like that

But were there FIFTY-FOUR Internet Nazis there? ? ? ?

750 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:39:18pm
751 Edouard  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:39:54pm

re: #687 dapperdave

I’ll have to disagree, it sounds like a lot of folks are drinking the Glenn Beck Kool-aid of doom and gloom, yes things have been better in the past and things could be a lot worse. The fact of the matter is things will get a whole lot better when we get this clown out of office and put someone in there who knows what the hell they are doing.

All I’m saying is that we can’t call it either a recession or a depression yet. We just don’t know. There are a lot of x-factors that come into play. The U.S. is vulnerable economically. If (God forbid) we were attacked on a large scale on a 9-11 or greater scale, we’d be in bigger economic trouble.

If the Chinese, while we were still suffering economically, decided to dump all or many of their US T-Bills, that would darken the outlook greatly. The dollar would drop hard and everything would start to cost us all a lot more.

Real estate has arguably not hit bottom yet in its fall, particularly commercial real estate if more and more businesses keep giving up the ghost.

We are propping up many nearly insolvent banks on a never-before seen scale, and the effects of that move are yet to be felt. If the recession goes on longer than the two previous significant recessions, we will have to reassess our historic view of this one.

We are only partway down the road, the dollar is under global stress like none of us have ever seen with unforseen consequences yet in store, and objectivity about this economic downturn can’t fully come until its full consequences are felt. The main thing keeping us going is America’s overall productive capacity, still by far the world’s greatest, which I hope and pray will be enough to pull us out of this mess before it gets too much worse.

752 quercus albus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:40:11pm

re: #570 Killgore Trout

No, the concept was started by the John Birch Society and the Church of Scientology. Some time in the late’s 70’s-early 80’s as I recall.

My google-fu isn’t showing me anything on this - just that these groups liked to avoid taxes. Do you have any links? I’ve never understood the animus against the Fair Tax, here at LGF.

753 jim in virginia  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:40:19pm

re: #702 sleepyone

Hey Charles, OT but,

I noticed when I click on my avatar it says number of links posted “0” but I have indeed included several links in my comments over time. Am I not understanding or missing something?

// and yes, I am vain enough to click on my own avatar!


Links are the spinoff links. Top of each thread. Links posted in the thread don’t count.
You actually check your karma? Do you masturbate too?

754 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:40:20pm
755 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:40:36pm

re: #715 kansas

Anderson Cooper talked like he knew what it was. And the snotty woman on CNN almost screamed at the guy that he must not know his state would get 50 billion dollars. I guess she missed the point, huh? Then there was the reporter who made her whole report about there not being any blacks at the rally. I guess we gotta take their word on that one. What a mess.

One must assume that Mr. Cooper has personal experience with the difficulty of talking while being teabagged, as he certainly shared it with the world, didn’t he? It’s like when one reporter referred to “the money shot.” My jaw his the desk, because I automatically think of the original meaning, which is normally not discussed on the news, is it?

And that CNN woman really went off the rails. I felt sorry for the anchor woman having to pick up after her.

756 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:40:42pm
757 esch  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:40:43pm

re: #741 Idle Drifter

I’d rather have a low 5% flat rate income with no deductibles to free up the billions in wasted dollars in processing taxes leaving sales tax to the states. I’d also like to see certain government programs such as Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid reorganized into individual accounts with such accounts going to beneficiairies of the taxpayer’s chosing as part of a legacy program in the event of death. The tax problems are just symptoms of a much bigger problem of wasted time and money of constant government growth.

That’s the result of generations of politicians ‘creating jobs’. Yeah, government jobs.

What do you propose we do with those likely hundreds of thousands of displaced ‘compliance’ workers? That’s the fundamental problem with ANY bureaucratic downsizing effort.

758 kansas  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:40:49pm

re: #740 Bobblehead

From “Instapundit”

Seems reasonable. I hear 7/4/09 is the next big gathering. Let’s see what transpires in the next couple of months to get people even more fired up.

McClanahan is the resident conservative with the Star. That guy Gloriso is a Dem political consultant. Interesting thing about what he is quoted as saying is that it seems to be a Democrat talking point.

759 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:41:10pm

re: #753 jim in virginia

dude … dude

760 Baboon Cheeks  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:41:12pm

re: #703 FloridaAnole

Why all this hoohah about Glen Beck? I mean, the guy’s an entertainer for catssake. Period.

Well, to avoid confusion in future he should get an appropriate costume that matches his act. Something like this.

761 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:41:14pm

re: #721 loppyd

It sounds like you posed a logical, polite question.

Had you said something along the lines of “Curious- why do people think these (insert issue here) are going to accomplish anything?” the reaction from the Chair may have been slightly different.

Interestingly enough, my question “Curious- why do people think these protests are going to accomplish anything?” didn’t receive the ding downs that asking “what’s the end goal?” received.

762 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:41:24pm
763 Lincolntf  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:41:44pm

re: #742 Killgore Trout

How much time do you spend at Nazi sites? And do you believe everything you read there?

764 pink freud  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:41:50pm

Perry says Texas can leave the union if it wants to

“Just FYI, on Perry’s 1845 statement, Texas came into the union with the ability to divide into five states, not withdraw. After seceding during the Civil War, Texas was allowed to re-enter the union after ratifying the 13th Amendment. The 13th Amendment banned slavery in the United States and any territory subject to its jurisdiction.

UPDATED: Texas v White, a U.S. Supreme Court case decided in 1869, said Texas cannot secede.”

765 Bloodnok  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:42:03pm

re: #748 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Balanced Budget Amendment? Ron Paul supports it.

[Link: www.ontheissues.org…]

You don’t get to a better place by passing more laws. Instead, you start by repealing the laws that put you in your current condition.

This isn’t a law that restricts US (the public), it is one that restricts THEM (Congress) because nothing else will.

766 Gearhead  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:42:32pm

re: #756 MandyManners

Step back, bitch.

Well, I did say I was afraid to ask. ;-)

767 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:42:45pm

If I do become a bear, can I haz gumbint cheez cave?

768 Sleepyone  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:42:51pm

re: #728 Jimmah


But is he a pied piper leading people with intent or malice or is he merely voicing his concerns and it’s striking a chord with some conservatives that feel adrift?

I’ll admit to feeling adrift politically but Beck’s siren song does not lure me to the rocks. In fact just the opposite. I basically stopped listening to him several months ago when the on-air crying and conspiracy craziness got too much for me.

I’m only trying to understand why so many think he is the voice of reason.

769 jaunte  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:42:54pm

re: #764 pink freud

Gov. Perry still not as clever as he believes.

770 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:43:10pm

re: #724 Occasional Reader

Could we please at least drop the talking point that Medea Benjamin was attending the Tea Party protest as a participant? She was a counterprotester. Let’s keep things honest.

Didn’t see that yet. Thanks for telling me.

771 JollyFatMan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:43:18pm

Gee,

Everybody lives somewhere right?

1) Find the event organizer for your location and contact them with the info.

2) Either somebody pony up to start the site or perhaps one of the major sponsors will once they see the possibility of a smear job for allowing an association with Odom to continue. It shouldn’t be hard to find out who they are and how to contact them.

3) After that keep an eye on your organizer to make sure they are distancing themselves from Odom’s site. Raise a ruckus when they don’t.

It really is an individual initiative thing, sort of like writing your congressman when your legislative BS detector goes off. While it doesn’t always work, it is a start in the right direction. I see it as somebody has to pick up the trash and get rid of it, so we might as well all pitch in. Where it doesn’t work we’ll be better able to point out the trash.

Is this the same fact-checking, in-your-face, get-er-done site I signed up to in 2004? I’m beginning to think there’s a certain amount of laziness creeping in.

JFM

772 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:43:18pm

re: #764 pink freud

Yes, Perry is a dufus. What else is new?

773 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:43:19pm
774 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:44:06pm
775 jim in virginia  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:44:08pm

re: #759 OldLineTexan
What?
Dirty little secrets. No one wants to admit to it.

776 Van Helsing  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:44:21pm

re: #762 MandyManners

THAT’S NOT THE FUCKING POINT!

Yeah, I know. I was just being a smart ass.
Got no good answer for you. Maybe has something to do with conservatives not being that power hungry. Expecting more from individuals and viewing the current status quo as something that needs to be torn down and stomped on recreated in their in own image.

777 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:44:27pm

re: #751 Edouard

Edouard -

To date, “Shorting America” on a short term basis may be profitable - On a Long Term Basis - SUICIDAL.

-S-

778 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:44:46pm

re: #770 Cato the Elder

Didn’t see that yet. Thanks for telling me.

The “Tax the Poor” sign on her hat was a clue, IMO.

779 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:45:12pm
780 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:45:22pm

re: #761 Sharmuta

Interestingly enough, my question “Curious- why do people think these protests are going to accomplish anything?” didn’t receive the ding downs that asking “what’s the end goal?” received.

Do you seriously gauge the reaction of everyone reading here by dings?

781 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:45:25pm

re: #725 Van Helsing

It was my understanding that, generally conservatives have souls.

Right. Their opponents are all zombies.

See my #709, last sentence.

782 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:45:41pm

re: #752 quercus albus

Citizens for an Alternative Tax System

Citizens for an Alternative Tax System (CATS) is a national tax reform public interest group in the United States. The group was founded by Scientologist and IRS foe, David Miscavige.[1]The organization states that they were established to solve “very serious problems caused by the United States’ unfair and destructive income tax system”, which they determined to be abolishing the federal income tax and replace it with a national retail sales tax. CATS was incorporated in October of 1990 and expanded from nine local offices to over 300 chapters across the country. In the first years, the CATS national office conducted over 3,500 radio shows and distributed thousands of flyers through its growing grassroots network.[2]

I’m not sure when they originally came up with their proposal but this should give you a place to start. Although Fair tax advocates will deny it, scientologists and the Birch society were the birth of the modern Fair Tax movement. That’s why it’s so big among libertarians.

783 Jack Burton  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:46:21pm

re: #709 Cato the Elder

There certainly is stereotypical liberal dogma and stereotypical conservative dogma. Anyone who refuses to think for themselves probably subscribes to one or the other and thinks anyone who doesn’t toe the line is a heathen or a plant from “the other side”.

Most conservatives I know in person think I’m a liberal or a libertarian. At best they think I’m a moderate or wishy-washy RINO. Most liberals I know think I’m Rush Limbaugh. I don’t *do* groupthink. I refuse to be put in a pidgeonhole. I don’t like the way anything, even a political party, comes out-of-box. (Seriously, everything I own I’ve modified in someway). Even though I’ve considered myself a Republican since 2002, I’ve never registered as such. I don’t agree with 100% of any political parties platforms or philosophy. I don’t agree 100% with any religion. I don’t agree with 100% of just about anything. Because I think for myself. I know I can be picky in the marketplace of ideas.

What amazes me is how much of a threat this seems to be to some people.

784 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:46:26pm

re: #747 MandyManners

Stimulate me, baby!

Could you all step out of the thread for about an hour?

785 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:46:30pm

re: #779 MandyManners

BILL, GET YOUR SKINNY, WHITE ASS IN HERE.

Mandy -

Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding - BINGO! That is all.

-S-

786 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:46:35pm

re: #774 MandyManners

It goes without saying.

Don’t forget the ‘06 “stay at home to prove a point” people. They really showed them, huh?

787 pink freud  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:46:54pm

re: #769 jaunte

Gov. Perry still not as clever as he believes.

With the creationist appt to the SB, he outed himself for what he is. Another slick pol who’s gotta go.

This whole secession thing is him needin’ some if the spotlight. What a tool.

788 Sleepyone  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:46:57pm

Gotta go before the Iron Fist rule applies to me. (seeing two monitors here)

No offense to the always savvy Iron Fist.

789 Lincolntf  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:47:12pm

re: #784 Occasional Reader

An hour…yeah, right.

790 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:47:13pm
791 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:47:21pm

re: #784 Occasional Reader

Could you all step out of the thread for about an hour?

It takes you fifty-eight minutes to smoke a cigarette?

/

792 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:47:29pm
793 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:47:30pm

re: #765 Bloodnok

Yeah, and guess what they will do to YOU to balance THEIR budget? Better to limit government’s taxing ability, IMO.

794 dapperdave  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:47:40pm

re: #751 Edouard

I’m not saying that the economy is not under a lot of stress but we don’t see men lining up along the street waiting for a bowl of soup, it’s not as bad as it was in the 30’s.
Ronald Reagan said that a recession is when your neighbor loses his job and a depression is when you lose yours.

795 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:47:47pm

I watched a bit on Fox this eve, where they played reprises of several tea parties. The people they interviewed were all ordinary Amerians, young and old. The interviewed people all made the basic point that the federal government is bloated. “Under 30 and over-taxed.” “Stop bailing people out.” Young folks were worried about their own futures, and older people about that of their grandchildren.

Bottom line - average people, fiscally conservative, who pay their bills and don’t want to pay for deadbeats or to see the government mortgage the future of their children.

Point them in the right direction, someone. They’re loaded for bear.

796 Last Mohican  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:47:49pm

re: #739 jcm

Dang, I should frame that one and hang it on my wall!

It really is quite exquisite, isn’t it? I was hoping that SpaceJesus would go over to the Paulian site and try to egg the guy on until he produced another such masterpiece. This one should keep me entertained for about a year or so.

797 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:48:05pm

re: #780 loppyd

Of course not. But of all the people who gave me a hard time for even asking “what is the end goal?” you are the only one to come back to say such a question is reasonable. I think. Is that what you’re saying? That I wasn’t out of line for posing such a question?

798 Baboon Cheeks  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:48:55pm

re: #768 Sleepyone

But is he a pied piper leading people with intent or malice or is he merely voicing his concerns and it’s striking a chord with some conservatives that feel adrift?

Remember he isn’t just voicing reasonable concerns, he’s promoting panic and hysteria. If he’s being honest, then he really is a nut. Otherwise, he’s exploiting and encouraging the panic and hysteria in others for his own benefit.

799 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:48:57pm

re: #763 Lincolntf

How much time do you spend at Nazi sites?


Far more than I’d like to but it seems sadly obligatory with conservative politics being what they are today. I think you want another update………
Did you go to the Tea Party?

Yes 38 62.30%
No 7 11.48%
I wanted to, but couldn’t. 16 26.23%


Good thing you asked. Nazi attendance at tea parties has increased since my last update. I guess they’re still returning from all the protests.

800 Parker in US  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:49:02pm

re: #650 Iwillnotsubmit

NO.IT.WASNT.

Stop the BS Charles. Read the individual websites for the truth, for Boston here it is:

” If you want to attend or volunteer for a listed event, contact the event coordinator. If you want to organize a new event, contact the state coordinator AND email teapartyinfo@gmail.com. Thanks!**”

His website is a clearing house for the information for the individual tea parties. He doesnt organize a thing, except perhaps a few local to himself. Here is the website for Boston.

Boston Tea Party

If you dont want to be part of this fine but please be honest to your readers. Ours In St. Louis. organized by Dana Loesch a conservative talk show host, was filled with Veterans, hard working Americans upset with Big Government and taxes and tax increases coming down the line. Not one Ron Paul sign, not one eliminate the Fed sign, not one 9/11 was an inside job. This was a grassroots American movement concerned with whats going on.

Same here in Lincoln, NE

801 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:49:07pm

re: #795 Catttt

They’re loaded for bear.

Crap, there goes my latest political solution.

/

802 Gearhead  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:49:09pm

re: #767 OldLineTexan

If I do become a bear, can I haz gumbint cheez cave?

From the

803 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:49:33pm

re: #797 Sharmuta

I have been piled on for asking such a question. That very question. It is a dangerous question for some, I guess.

804 Lincolntf  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:49:46pm

re: #799 Killgore Trout

Yup, Nazi websites are super-reliable. Keep up the good work.

805 Bobblehead  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:49:48pm

re: #784 Occasional Reader

Could you all step out of the thread for about an hour?

Get yourselves a sidebar. There’s an empty space where the Lounge used to be.

806 pink freud  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:49:52pm

re: #792 taxfreekiller

Rick Perry is a RINO, was a Democrat, when Texas went Republican, he changed his spots so’s he could get elected, the last time he got in by splitting the vote, 61% of Texas voted against this fraud.

When’s he up for re-election? Is he eligible to run again? Any up and comers?

807 Gearhead  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:50:06pm

re: #802 Gearhead

From the

Oops.

808 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:50:32pm

re: #733 kansas

I believe if you check the medical term is hoo hah.

I thought it was nana heyhey.

809 Last Mohican  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:50:35pm

re: #795 Catttt

I watched a bit on Fox this eve, where they played reprises of several tea parties…. Bottom line - average people, fiscally conservative, who pay their bills and don’t want to pay for deadbeats or to see the government mortgage the future of their children.

Ah, but you watched the wrong network. Go look at CNN’s coverage. Then you’ll realize that everyone at the tea parties was a crazed, dimwitted Paulian madman who wants to eliminate the fiat money system, and can’t even spell “statist” properly on his own placard.

810 kansas  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:50:47pm

re: #800 Parker in US

Same here in Lincoln, NE

You probably didn’t notice that you responded to a post that got someone blocked?

811 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:51:08pm

re: #797 Sharmuta

Of course not. But of all the people who gave me a hard time for even asking “what is the end goal?” you are the only one to come back to say such a question is reasonable. I think. Is that what you’re saying? That I wasn’t out of line for posing such a question?

At a meeting such as the one you were attending where there were (I assume) clear policy objectives being discussed, yes.

I don’t think it applies to a protest in that there doesn’t have to be an end goal necessarily….it is a form of expression to get attention, express frustration and be heard.

812 thebigolddog  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:51:42pm


Desperate to dismiss the tea parties

By E. Thomas McClanahan, Kansas city Star Editorial Page columnist

This eagerness to explain away this movement is telling, suggesting the skeptics see these gatherings as a real threat. Certainly the tea parties have an anti-Obama slant, but what we’re seeing is something outside the normal dynamics of Democrat-Republican tension….This is a genuine grassroots phenomenom. Various facets of the GOP coalition and conservative movement are trying to leverage this movement, but the movement was there first, and it took off after Rick Santelli’s famous rant in Chicago. It isn’t clear yet what the tea party movement is all about, but it can’t be dismissed as something that simply arose from shadowy GOP organizers.

813 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:51:47pm

re: #767 OldLineTexan

If I do become a bear, can I haz gumbint cheez cave?

If you do become a bear, you’ll get a lot of face time with Andrew Sullivan.

814 doppelganglander  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:52:07pm

re: #761 Sharmuta

Interestingly enough, my question “Curious- why do people think these protests are going to accomplish anything?” didn’t receive the ding downs that asking “what’s the end goal?” received.


Asking about the end goal shows your bias (and I don’t mean that in a negative way) towards organization, planning, and centralized authority in a political movement. The Tea Party thing sprung up pretty much out of nowhere, without centralized leadership, and has come to mean different things to different people. I don’t think there is an end goal yet, but I do think it’s a positive step to raising awareness, giving a voice to average people who are unhappy with both parties, and laying the groundwork for future action. The end goal will be determined by who gains control of the movement.

I think it’s fantastic that you’re active in your local party and that you feel you can be effective there. But a lot of people are disenchanted with BOTH parties and do not want to affiliate with either one. The energy unleashed by the tea parties can go several ways. It might put the fear of God into the Republicans (and indeed, in a lot of places they are trying to co-opt the movement and get in front of it). It might give rise to a third party. It might cause the Democrats to back down and act like adults (a long shot, admittedly). The point is, no one knows. The end goal is a work in progress.

815 J.S.  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:52:15pm

re: #804 Lincolntf

Yes, why the reliability of nazi sites is just ever so impeccable! absolutely first class!

/said with a British accent

816 kansas  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:52:15pm

re: #809 Last Mohican

And none of the idiots realized they were gonna get free money./

817 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:52:41pm

re: #813 Occasional Reader

If you do become a bear, you’ll get a lot of face time with Andrew Sullivan.

Oh dear lord. Has he jumped a fence to hug a polar bear, or what?

818 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:52:57pm

re: #750 MandyManners

Pedal faster. Please.

Lost another key board, the cat just turned in his two week notice over getting another coke bath…:)

819 Dianna  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:53:34pm

Just got back from the San Jose Tea Party.

Not many Paulians, though they did have a table.

Not many Constitution Party types, though they, too, had a table.

Nice crowd, about 2000, and 30 noisy, dirty counter-protestors, complete with plastic bucket drum (I suggested they get a tunable drum) who tried to cause trouble.

The conservatives debriefed over red meat at Johnny Rocket’s.

820 Lincolntf  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:53:35pm

re: #815 J.S.

Apparently they’re far more reliable than real human beings who attend actual events. The power of the pixel…

821 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:53:40pm

re: #811 loppyd

I don’t think it applies to a protest in that there doesn’t have to be an end goal necessarily….it is a form of expression to get attention, express frustration and be heard.

So asking “to what end?” in light of expressing frustration and trying to be heard is out of line? Or is it valid to ask such a thing?

822 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:54:13pm
823 Bobblehead  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:54:41pm

re: #815 J.S.

Yes, why the reliability of nazi sites is just ever so impeccable! absolutely first class!

/said with a British accent

Very upper crust.

824 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:54:43pm

re: #819 Dianna

Just got back from the San Jose Tea Party.

Not many Paulians, though they did have a table.

Not many Constitution Party types, though they, too, had a table.

Nice crowd, about 2000, and 30 noisy, dirty counter-protestors, complete with plastic bucket drum (I suggested they get a tunable drum) who tried to cause trouble.

The conservatives debriefed over red meat at Johnny Rocket’s.

Hey, read this thread. You are now a Stormfronter.

/don’t look at me, it’s not MY theory

825 hazzyday  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:55:02pm

re: #752 quercus albus

My google-fu isn’t showing me anything on this - just that these groups liked to avoid taxes. Do you have any links? I’ve never understood the animus against the Fair Tax, here at LGF.

I thought of the fair tax all by myself. I didn’t need Brichers or Scientologists to cover it for me. Actually, it’s widely discusses in Econ classes.

The average person wants to know that everyone pays their fair share of taxes. No one cheats. They also want a tax system that is understandable. Something you don’t need an accountant or lawyer to figure out.

Progressive taxation is neither simple nor fair because it gets politicized. Flat taxes seem fair but are not always simple.
Sales taxes seem best in a consumer economy where no one saves, but it would need a large downsizing of government to get to a 17 percent rate.

Shutdown government one day a week and it’s a first step.

826 Dianna  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:55:03pm

re: #821 Sharmuta

So asking “to what end?” in light of expressing frustration and trying to be heard is out of line? Or is it valid to ask such a thing?

It’s valid. It’s necessary.

The speakers suggested voting incumbents out. Which is something I’ve longed to do for ages.

827 Bobblehead  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:55:14pm

re: #819 Dianna

Just got back from the San Jose Tea Party.

Not many Paulians, though they did have a table.

Not many Constitution Party types, though they, too, had a table.

Nice crowd, about 2000, and 30 noisy, dirty counter-protestors, complete with plastic bucket drum (I suggested they get a tunable drum) who tried to cause trouble.

The conservatives debriefed over red meat at Johnny Rocket’s.

Sounds like fun.

828 Baboon Cheeks  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:55:25pm

Throughout the Dark Months of April and May

Youtube Video

Nite folks.

829 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:55:28pm

re: #814 doppelganglander

Asking about the end goal shows your bias (and I don’t mean that in a negative way) towards organization, planning, and centralized authority in a political movement. The Tea Party thing sprung up pretty much out of nowhere, without centralized leadership, and has come to mean different things to different people. I don’t think there is an end goal yet, but I do think it’s a positive step to raising awareness, giving a voice to average people who are unhappy with both parties, and laying the groundwork for future action. The end goal will be determined by who gains control of the movement.

I think it’s fantastic that you’re active in your local party and that you feel you can be effective there. But a lot of people are disenchanted with BOTH parties and do not want to affiliate with either one. The energy unleashed by the tea parties can go several ways. It might put the fear of God into the Republicans (and indeed, in a lot of places they are trying to co-opt the movement and get in front of it). It might give rise to a third party. It might cause the Democrats to back down and act like adults (a long shot, admittedly). The point is, no one knows. The end goal is a work in progress.

Isn’t that a little like putting the cart before the horse?

830 Dianna  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:56:05pm

re: #824 OldLineTexan

Hey, read this thread. You are now a Stormfronter.

/don’t look at me, it’s not MY theory

I saw only two people who might have been that sort. One was a Michael Savage fan. The other…was just nuts. He thought taxes were god’s plan to feed the poor.

I told him that charity was charity.

831 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:56:09pm

re: #827 Bobblehead

Sounds like fun.

She knows the way to San Jose. I haven’t been there in so long.

832 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:56:12pm

I Still say Ru Paul would me a better Presidential Candidate than the load of Twits we have now

833 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:56:20pm

re: #817 OldLineTexan

Oh dear lord. Has he jumped a fence to hug a polar bear, or what?

Er… no… he’s into “bears”, which… well, remember how someone had to explain “teabagging” to Mandy before? Well, this is kind of like that.

834 jaunte  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:56:30pm

re: #829 Sharmuta

Isn’t that a little like putting the cart before the horse?

Aha!

835 Jimash  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:56:33pm

So maybe its the Paulians who are having their stuff coopted by the regular folks ?

836 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:56:52pm

re: #829 Sharmuta

Isn’t that a little like putting the cart before the horse?

Don’t laugh, it keeps the wheels clean.

837 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:56:57pm

re: #822 AMER1CAN

So I don’t see why LGF is giving so much time, press, energy to a groups of folks that no one else is paying any attention to.

Possibly because not paying attention to these people could have negative consequences?

838 Desert Dog  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:57:06pm

re: #799 Killgore Trout

Good thing you asked. Nazi attendance at tea parties has increased since my last update. I guess they’re still returning from all the protests.

Nazis like the tea party….Nazis go to the tea party….therefore, the tea party is a Nazis event! I like that linear logic….very nice and tidy.

What if a Nazi shows up for a Code Pink rally, are they Nazis too?

What if a Nazi shows up at the Dodgers game….are the Dodgers all Nazis too?

Those darn Nazis are everywhere ruinin’ stuff for everyone!

839 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:57:07pm

re: #757 esch

That’s the result of generations of politicians ‘creating jobs’. Yeah, government jobs.

What do you propose we do with those likely hundreds of thousands of displaced ‘compliance’ workers? That’s the fundamental problem with ANY bureaucratic downsizing effort.

I’m a displaced oilfield service worker no not a rough neck but a technician that worked on directional drilling tools. I’ll find another job maybe not with another oilfield company but I’ll find another job. It will be painful to try to stream line the government and many people will raise holy hell over the job losses. Hell, I don’t think it would succeed in the first place because the coalition of tax lawyers, accounts, and IRS employees. Its a difficult decision if its ever made and there are going to be a lot pissed off people one way or another.

840 Bobblehead  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:57:19pm

re: #826 Dianna

It’s valid. It’s necessary.

The speakers suggested voting incumbents out. Which is something I’ve longed to do for ages.

Did you take the corgi with you to cut out the moonbats and herd them on their way?

841 Jimash  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:57:29pm

re: #833 Occasional Reader

{Shudder}

842 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:57:33pm

re: #833 Occasional Reader

Er… no… he’s into “bears”, which… well, remember how someone had to explain “teabagging” to Mandy before? Well, this is kind of like that.

OK, my nic is blue. I have to know.

843 jaunte  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:57:34pm

Radicals waiting for an unfocused movement to build, hoping to grab the reins.

844 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:57:41pm

re: #822 AMER1CAN

So I don’t see why LGF is giving so much time, press, energy to a groups of folks that no one else is paying any attention to.

I think you nailed it right there.

845 Mad Mullah  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:57:51pm

I love the posting of stormfront polls on here. It’s always a good idea to consult a handful of nazis and letting the opinions of those troglodytes influence your thinking.

846 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:58:01pm

re: #819 Dianna

Just got back from the San Jose Tea Party.

Not many Paulians, though they did have a table.

Not many Constitution Party types, though they, too, had a table.

Nice crowd, about 2000, and 30 noisy, dirty counter-protestors, complete with plastic bucket drum (I suggested they get a tunable drum) who tried to cause trouble.

The conservatives debriefed over red meat at Johnny Rocket’s.

YOU CRAZED NAZI FEMBOT!

/

847 Dianna  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:58:39pm

re: #840 Bobblehead

Did you take the corgi with you to cut out the moonbats and herd them on their way?

No, but there was a lady there with two. I got licked!

848 FloridaAnole  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:58:57pm

re: #760 Jimmah

Well, to avoid confusion in future he should get an appropriate costume that matches his act. Something like this.

Yeah! Now that’s more like it!

849 will_not_back_down  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:59:01pm

re: #797 Sharmuta

End goal for me and I’m sure a vast majority is repeal the stimulus. Banks want to give the TARP back let them. Stay out of banking as we have decades of history about negative budgets. And stop taking MY money and wasting on a dead dog. (obviously lumping in a lot on that one dog)

850 Van Helsing  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:59:04pm

re: #781 Cato the Elder

Right. Their opponents are all zombies.

See my #709, last sentence.

The remark was tongue in cheek, not lips to cheek.
BTW, what caused the change from Roman Republic to Roman Empire? Government lost it’s roots maybe?

851 jaunte  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:59:19pm

/Hands away from the keyboard…

852 Dianna  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:59:41pm

re: #843 jaunte

Radicals waiting for an unfocused movement to build, hoping to grab the reins.

I doubt that would work very well, at least out here. People were annoyed, but they weren’t waving pitchforks and torches.

853 hazzyday  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:59:46pm

re: #822 AMER1CAN

Ron Paul made his bed. Lew Rockwell. Won’t disassociate himself from neo nazis. He wants their money and votes. And that Gold standard things mentioned above, which I hadn’t paid much attention to. Ron Paul is a bad idea happening. And one could just color him via the efforts of his supporters.

The difference here is that Ron Paul supporters will latch onto one good idea Paul has and then accept all the bad ones also. They need to be vaccinated on a regular basis. Ron Paul is a ponzi scheme of supporters.

Let’s take Ron Paul’s good ideas and kick the crank to the curb.

854 Kulhwch  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:59:46pm

re: #674 Sharmuta

So questions are not allowed. Duly noted.

Bull-farkin’-shit, questions are ALWAYS allowed, Ms. Sharmuta.  At least, in the country where *I* come from!

}:)     [Stand strong, I know you got it in you!]

855 capitalist piglet  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:59:50pm

re: #795 Catttt

I watched a bit on Fox this eve, where they played reprises of several tea parties. The people they interviewed were all ordinary Amerians, young and old. The interviewed people all made the basic point that the federal government is bloated. “Under 30 and over-taxed.” “Stop bailing people out.” Young folks were worried about their own futures, and older people about that of their grandchildren.

Bottom line - average people, fiscally conservative, who pay their bills and don’t want to pay for deadbeats or to see the government mortgage the future of their children.

Point them in the right direction, someone. They’re loaded for bear.

I just got back from checking out two of them. There were literally people old enough to be WWII vets out there, middle-aged people, and young people…a huge turnout for my area, and not a kook in sight. And the one in Olympia, Washington this morning drew 5000 people, I heard.

It’s been a big success, it seems to me.

856 JollyFatMan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:59:55pm

re: #799 Killgore Trout

Kilgore,

I saw an estimate of something like 200, 000 people attending the Tea Parties.

With a whopping 38 attendees speaking up, this makes a nice round 0.019 of one percent of attendance. Granted I have no way of producing actual numbers, but it seems a fair estimate of their infiltration. While I should be aware of Stormfronters, I see it is no more than watching for pickpockets at the mall.

As I said earlier I actually saw 3 anarchists at the Colorado Springs event. I suspect the only reason they were left alone is the average Joe had no idea who the fruitcakes wearing black and hooded masks actually were.

JFM

857 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 7:59:55pm

re: #842 OldLineTexan

OK, my nic is blue. I have to know.

Oh, never mind the blue nic stuff (takes too long). Sullivan has posted over the years about his affinity for “bears”, which are basically large, hairy gay men.

858 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:00:04pm

Hi.

859 jaunte  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:00:13pm

re: #852 Dianna

I don’t think it will work, but I think they think it will work.

860 quercus albus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:00:47pm

re: #782 Killgore Trout

Citizens for an Alternative Tax System

I’m not sure when they originally came up with their proposal but this should give you a place to start. Although Fair tax advocates will deny it, scientologists and the Birch society were the birth of the modern Fair Tax movement. That’s why it’s so big among libertarians.

Thanks for the link, Killgore. I’ll have to do some reading. If the group you listed (CATS) started in the 90s, they certainly could have influenced the Fair Tax folk.

Some of the experts funded include:
Professors David Burton and Dan Mastromarco, University of Maryland and The Argus Group
Professor Larry Kotlikoff, Boston University
Stephen Moore, The Cato Institute
Professor Dale Jorgenson, Harvard University
Bill Beach, The Heritage Foundation
Jim Poterba, The National Bureau of Economic Research
Professor George Zodrow, Rice University and the
Baker Institute for Public Policy
Professor Joseph Kahn, Massachusetts Institute of Technology

I’ll have to look into this tomorrow. Too tired, now.

861 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:00:53pm

re: #837 Sharmuta

Possibly because not paying attention to these people could have negative consequences?

Ssshhh! Nobody wants to hear that kind of talk!

862 Lincolntf  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:00:58pm

re: #845 Mad Mullah

Seriously, they worry about “Paulians” infiltrating the Tea Parties but use Nazi statistics in their own posts.
Beam, eye, mote.

863 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:01:00pm

re: #797 Sharmuta

Of course not. But of all the people who gave me a hard time for even asking “what is the end goal?” you are the only one to come back to say such a question is reasonable. I think. Is that what you’re saying? That I wasn’t out of line for posing such a question?

I said basically the same thing in various ways, but I’m so used to soothing feathers while I explain things to people that I generally have a feather-soothing element in my posts. My posts were indirect.

Your question about goals is the kind of thing one would posit in a brainstorming session - we need some objective goals, people! - but since the answer is basically - um, I don’t know - goals? - hmmmm - people get defensive. Human nature.

864 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:01:06pm

re: #857 Occasional Reader

Oh, never mind the blue nic stuff (takes too long). Sullivan has posted over the years about his affinity for “bears”, which are basically large, hairy gay men.

/hasty NAIR shower

OK, tanks!

865 Dianna  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:01:57pm

re: #859 jaunte

I don’t think it will work, but I think they think it will work.

Let them try. It won’t do any harm.

Sunshine. It works.

866 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:02:46pm
867 Bobblehead  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:02:54pm

re: #857 Occasional Reader

Oh, never mind the blue nic stuff (takes too long). Sullivan has posted over the years about his affinity for “bears”, which are basically large, hairy gay men.

More info than I needed.

868 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:02:55pm

re: #809 Last Mohican

Ah, but you watched the wrong network. Go look at CNN’s coverage. Then you’ll realize that everyone at the tea parties was a crazed, dimwitted Paulian madman who wants to eliminate the fiat money system, and can’t even spell “statist” properly on his own placard.

I can’t watch CNN. I watch maybe 10 minutes of TV every month, and I don’t want to waste it on CNN.

869 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:02:57pm
870 pat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:03:15pm

Looks like Honolulu had well over a 1,000 people.

871 Unakite  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:03:29pm

re: #735 Occasional Reader

First question: Do you look like Adriana Lima?

with a couple billion, he could! :)

872 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:03:34pm

re: #869 MandyManners

Lo.

Med.

873 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:03:42pm

re: #821 Sharmuta

So asking “to what end?” in light of expressing frustration and trying to be heard is out of line? Or is it valid to ask such a thing?

I can’t speak for others, but it may have come across as raining on the parade. People are fired up and feeling good from the simple act of doing something and they are posting about their very positive experiences. It sounds like your opinion is they should be doing something else - that it doesn’t meet your standards.

Others may think you had a predisposed bias towards the rallies because of the associations discussed here.

874 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:03:44pm
875 Van Helsing  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:03:44pm

re: #852 Dianna

I doubt that would work very well, at least out here. People were annoyed, but they weren’t waving pitchforks and torches.

Are you aware what the carbon emissions of torches are? I can’t afford to purchase the carbon credits.

I’M BEING REPRESSED!

876 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:03:52pm

re: #838 Desert Dog

Nazis like the tea party….Nazis go to the tea party….therefore, the tea party is a Nazis event! I like that linear logic….very nice and tidy.

What if a Nazi shows up for a Code Pink rally, are they Nazis too?

What if a Nazi shows up at the Dodgers game….are the Dodgers all Nazis too?

Those darn Nazis are everywhere ruinin’ stuff for everyone!

Well, If I was a thinking leftist (is there such a thing ?), I might even sign up on a Nazi blog and tell everyone how Himmler and Herrler and me went to a tea party today, and what a great time we had.

Not that the point isn’t taken about the Paulians, Romulans, or whoever, but what I saw today might’ve been the start of normal, everyday people taking the idea away from them. Time will tell, but I really hope that’s true.

877 doppelganglander  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:03:59pm

re: #829 Sharmuta

Isn’t that a little like putting the cart before the horse?

Not at all. There is a genuine feeling of frustration out there and people took the opportunity to express it. Whether anything comes of it remains to be seen. I don’t think Americans need some sort of centralized planning committee to help them set goals.

878 Bobblehead  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:04:23pm

re: #872 Idle Drifter

Med.

Simmer

879 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:04:23pm

re: #874 MandyManners

DON’T ASK ABOUT THE TEA-BAGGIN’.

Or “Arabian goggles”.

880 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:04:28pm

re: #782 Killgore Trout

Citizens for an Alternative Tax System

I’m not sure when they originally came up with their proposal but this should give you a place to start. Although Fair tax advocates will deny it, scientologists and the Birch society were the birth of the modern Fair Tax movement. That’s why it’s so big among libertarians.

Possibly the support from libertarians et al is for other reasons? Maybe the Fair Tax is what its title says it is?

881 Kulhwch  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:04:34pm

re: #709 Cato the Elder

}:)     [Yeah, what you said!]

882 Boxy_brown  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:04:36pm

re: #742 Killgore Trout

Didn’t see any Nazis there. Didn’t hear any Nazi positions being advocated. Didn’t see any “Nazi-adjacent” positions being advocated there.

I suspect the NAzi’s don’t like the Obama administration because Obama is black.

I do not like the Obama administration for what it is doing and what it proposes to do.

The illegitimacy of their opinion doesn’t effect whether or not my argument is legitimate.

Am I supposed to like things like this because someone else is an idiot? Or am I supposed to condemn all the people I saw there today because stormfront had a poll indicating that some of them would like to go since they aren’t busy being humans…

You are kidding yourself if you think this was coopted by Nazis. Tell me, seriously; what do you propose to get people enthusiastic and perhaps organized in opposition to the government waste? Are you happy with the course obama has been taking? Pre-election you didn’t seem to care for McCain, setting aside relative effectiveness of all this; is opposition to Obamas policies something that you endorse?

883 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:04:39pm

Eleven score and sixteen years ago, our forebearers in spontaneous demonstration rose up against “Taxation Without Representation.”

Today, we have representation - in theory - We vote, AND are often ignored - by our Employees Locally, Countywide, Statewide and Nationally.

Today is the day - AND - Now is the time - that we remind the Elected Representatives of our Republic - At Every Level - That as we have hired them- so may we fire them.

Today the People have Spoken. In the Rain and under Sunny Cloudless Skies.
Atlantic and Pacific, North and South, East and West and all Between. We Remember our Past - AND - Work towards Our Future - in the Spirit of what has Made Us Great - FREEDOM- of Opinoion and Beliefs, of Markets and Conscience. For ALL of US Now, From ALL who Came Before -AND- To All Those who will Follow Us We Re-Dedicate to our Founding Principles of Limited Government and Maximum Personal Liberty in a Republic We ARE Determined to Keep.

That is All.

-S-

884 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:04:49pm

re: #857 Occasional Reader

Oh, never mind the blue nic stuff (takes too long). Sullivan has posted over the years about his affinity for “bears”, which are basically large, hairy gay men.

Um - just to be clear, when I said “loaded for bear” earlier, I was not thinking of Mr. Sullivan’s sex life. :D Glad I cleared THAT up.

885 ArmyWife  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:05:03pm

re: #843 jaunte

I’m trying to catch up here, but this is an excellent point. I struggle with suggesting certain groups don’t have a right to assemble and protest simply because I believe their message is stupid/ignorant/ridiculous. At risk, however, is an incredible opportunity for the Republicans to take the reigns and provide a path in which to channel this new energy - simultaneously condemning those of the Crazy Wing persuasion and stressing they simply are not spokesnuts for the RNC.

886 Lincolntf  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:05:29pm

G’night all. Despite the mixed reaction that the Tea parties got on this site, I can say that today was the best I’ve felt about the direction of the country since well before the election.
A step in the right direction was made today, let’s hope it ultimately leads to something.

887 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:05:30pm

re: #878 Bobblehead

Simmer

Broil

888 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:05:41pm
889 hazzyday  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:06:01pm

re: #844 Taqiyyotomist

I think you nailed it right there.

It’s important to have a discriminating positive mindset when the negative slithering Paulians comes into the room looking like a normal person. Denial makes one foggy.

890 Dianna  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:06:02pm

re: #877 doppelganglander

Not at all. There is a genuine feeling of frustration out there and people took the opportunity to express it. Whether anything comes of it remains to be seen. I don’t think Americans need some sort of centralized planning committee to help them set goals.

I agree with you; I also agree with Sharmuta that, without some better organization than we’re seeing right now, the frustration is merely going to be played on by the Ron Paulian types.

Which means it falls apart into a welter of confusion and recriminations, and nothing changes.

891 NY Nana  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:06:15pm

I don’t know about anyone else, but this whole Tea Party leid reminded me more of this one, for some reason.

892 Last Mohican  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:06:20pm

re: #857 Occasional Reader

Sullivan has posted over the years about his affinity for “bears”, which are basically large, hairy gay men.

I missed the beginning of your conversation, so I don’t know what you’re talking about. However, at this juncture, I feel compelled to warn you of the dire circumstances that befell a guy I once knew who operated under this same misconception, late one night, after having a few cocktails at a gay bar just outside of Yellowstone National Park.

893 Bobblehead  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:06:28pm

re: #874 MandyManners

DON’T ASK ABOUT THE TEA-BAGGIN’.


Tea-baggin? Obviously I’m outta the loop here. Explain please.

894 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:06:39pm

re: #873 loppyd

I don’t think you and I are so far apart on this issue. You are getting involved in the party, and I truly applaud you for that. You are a bright young woman, and more people like you should get involved. The party would be better for that.

I think perhaps we just have a slightly different take. I would like to see this tea party passion focused on something that will get fiscally responsible people back in Congress. Some feel the protests will help with that. Maybe it will, but I’m skeptical. I just think it would be time better spent working within the party to root out socialist republicans. If the protests help to accomplish that, great. If they don’t, well…. I don’t know what.

895 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:06:45pm

re: #880 unrealizedviewpoint

Possibly the support from libertarians et al is for other reasons? Maybe the Fair Tax is what its title says it is?

Trout’s argument “proves too much”, as the rhetoricians would say.

ANY proposal that points toward smaller and less intrusive government will attract the support of some more oddball libertarians, and Paulians. Is that a reason to object to all of them?

896 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:06:48pm

Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain

Youtube Video

He’s bald, racist, antisemitic and a very bad man.

897 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:06:51pm

re: #893 Bobblehead

Tea-baggin? Obviously I’m outta the loop here. Explain please.

You may be sorry you asked….

898 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:07:04pm

re: #869 MandyManners

MeLons.

899 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:07:26pm

So did anyone see a Furry at the Tea Parties?

900 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:07:26pm
901 Bobblehead  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:07:26pm

re: #879 OldLineTexan

Or “Arabian goggles”.

Something else I don’t know about.

902 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:07:35pm

re: #879 OldLineTexan

Or “Arabian goggles”.

Now you just made that up.

903 Hollowpoint  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:08:24pm

And how exactly would anyone suggest they go about keeping the Paulians from *gasp* linking to a Tea Party website? Wasn’t there a recent thread concerning the inability to control who links to you, including extremists?

Or for that matter, how would anyone propose keeping the nuttier of the Paulbots out? Armed guards with shoot-to-kill orders?

Every account I’ve read or heared first-hand from those attending describing their experience at one of the “Tea Party” events was overwhelmingly positive, attended by average, concerned people.

The demand that anything short of 100% ideological purity amongst 100% of supporters or attendees somehow taints the entire effort into irrelevancy (or worse) is absurd. You should know better, Charles.

904 Bobblehead  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:08:32pm

re: #897 loppyd

You may be sorry you asked….

Now I’m really curious

905 quercus albus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:08:43pm

Good night, folks. Have a groovy evening.

906 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:09:02pm

re: #902 Occasional Reader

Now you just made that up.

Sadly, unfortunately, no. Check the Urban Dictionary.

907 VioletTiger  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:09:13pm

re: #814 doppelganglander
For me it said that conservatives are indeed awake and that they are capable of putting together something significant even without a central organization. I hope people are motivated to stay involved, and most importantly, to vote.

908 Dianna  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:09:14pm

re: #899 Idle Drifter

So did anyone see a Furry at the Tea Parties?

No, just a few dogs.

909 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:09:30pm

re: #880 unrealizedviewpoint

Maybe the Fair Tax is what its title says it is?


Maybe it’s not. Maybe it’s impossible in its current form. Maybe it shifts the tax burden from the wealthy to the working classes. Maybe it’s a work of fiction. Maybe it won’t work in a recession when people stop buying things. Maybe.

910 jaunte  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:09:40pm

re: #885 ArmyWife

I’m trying to catch up here, but this is an excellent point. I struggle with suggesting certain groups don’t have a right to assemble and protest simply because I believe their message is stupid/ignorant/ridiculous. At risk, however, is an incredible opportunity for the Republicans to take the reigns and provide a path in which to channel this new energy - simultaneously condemning those of the Crazy Wing persuasion and stressing they simply are not spokesnuts for the RNC.

Having a populist movement all fired up and ready to go, just looking for a leader, is a risky historical moment.

911 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:09:43pm

re: #902 Occasional Reader

Now you just made that up.

I had to google. Found this, um, useful, ah, site.
Sex-Lexis dot com - Definition of Arabian Goggles

912 Macker  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:09:50pm

Alright, what’d I miss!

913 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:09:53pm

re: #908 Dianna

No, just a few dogs.

Nazi Code Pinker dogs?

914 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:09:54pm

re: #894 Sharmuta

I have been involved since 1992.

How do you know the outcome of these protests will not do exactly what you wish? You don’t. So why not be positive and root for success?

915 quercus albus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:09:56pm

re: #904 Bobblehead

Now I’m really curious

Curiosity killed the Catttt. But satisfaction (ahem) brought Catttt back.

/okay. really going now…

916 JollyFatMan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:10:00pm

Bobblehead,

Your link: Teabagging

Prepare yourself….

JFM

917 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:10:25pm

re: #900 MandyManners

Hi
Lo
Medium = Med

918 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:10:26pm

re: #899 Idle Drifter

So did anyone see a Furry at the Tea Parties?

I did see a guy dressed up like superman.

919 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:10:36pm

re: #910 jaunte

Having a populist movement all fired up and ready to go, just looking for a leader, is a risky historical moment.

Jaunte -

Heard and understood - For every Marti - there lurks a Castro.

-S-

920 jaunte  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:10:39pm

re: #911 Taqiyyotomist

I had to google. Found this, um, useful, ah, site.
Sex-Lexis dot com - Definition of Arabian Goggles

“To what end?” comes to mind.

921 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:10:39pm

re: #909 Killgore Trout

Maybe it’s not. Maybe it’s impossible in its current form. Maybe it shifts the tax burden from the wealthy to the working classes. Maybe it’s a work of fiction. Maybe it won’t work in a recession when people stop buying things. Maybe.

Congratulations, you are qualified to be a Cabinet member.

922 Dianna  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:10:40pm

re: #910 jaunte

Having a populist movement all fired up and ready to go, just looking for a leader, is a risky historical moment.

I didn’t get the feeling that was what was happening - at least not in San Jose.

923 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:10:43pm

re: #763 Lincolntf

OCD.

924 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:11:03pm

re: #914 loppyd

So why not be positive and root for success?


Heh.

925 Dianna  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:11:22pm

re: #913 OldLineTexan

Nazi Code Pinker dogs?

Nope. Two corgis, one blue border collie, one yellow lab.

926 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:11:22pm

re: #837 Sharmuta

Possibly because not paying attention to these people could have negative consequences?

You are correct.

I was very glad to be “armed” with this information before attending the local event.

We can disagree about whether or not attending these events is effective, but having information about who is supporting these types of efforts is GOOD THING, possibly helping one to avoid getting sucked up into something they would really not want to be a part of.

What I saw today was just regular folks like me.

No weirdos, wackos, no inappropriate slogans or chants.

Now, I hope that stays the same. But it may change, and I can be on the lookout for it. I can also get involved with the local planners and organizers to make sure that the weirdos and wackos don’t usurp the local events.

But the bottom line is that having the information up front is a good thing, even if Killgore likes to tweak us.

927 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:11:26pm
928 ArmyWife  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:11:47pm

re: #910 jaunte

Ron Paul is attempting to fill it - who can blame him? Again, someone (anyone!) who isn’t a goof should begin to organize this - don’t we have community organizers SOMEWHERE? Ok, fine. I’ll settle for a conservative who doesn’t think alienating the Nazi vote is a bad thing. That person exists. Fred Thompson, WHERE ARE YOU?

929 jaunte  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:12:04pm

re: #922 Dianna

Here in Texas we have Rick Perry, or a player to be named later.

930 pink freud  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:12:09pm

re: #879 OldLineTexan

Or “Arabian goggles”.

Well …I had to go look, OLT.

Now I want my bean de-gassing recipe back!

:D

931 kynna  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:12:14pm

Wow. Most depressing thread since … a long time.

Gives me an overwhelming feeling of “don’t bother trying.”

Thank God the American Revolution happened in a more primitive time. It wouldn’t even get off the ground now. And Ron Paul would be our first president. Yipe.

932 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:12:33pm

re: #928 ArmyWife

Ron Paul is attempting to fill it - who can blame him? Again, someone (anyone!) who isn’t a goof should begin to organize this - don’t we have community organizers SOMEWHERE? Ok, fine. I’ll settle for a conservative who doesn’t think alienating the Nazi vote is a bad thing. That person exists. Fred Thompson, WHERE ARE YOU?

It is way past his bedtime.

933 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:12:55pm

re: #909 Killgore Trout

to the working classes.

The working classes! What a great turn of phrase.

934 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:12:56pm
935 hazzyday  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:13:08pm

The Tea parties were a success for the average person not feeling well represented by the government. There were some Paulian connections and goofballs in attendance. No neo nazis as themselves. Just probably over taxed neo-nazis. I’ve had them try to recruit me on the street in Seattle in the 80’s, but not since then. The other street recruiters were scientologists.

If there are more of these events to occur or more meetings there will be opportunity to express common sense or fractured fairy tales.

936 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:13:38pm

re: #930 pink freud

Well …I had to go look, OLT.

Now I want my bean de-gassing recipe back!

:D

Any exchange involving OR is caveat emptor.

937 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:14:02pm

re: #794 dapperdave

Ronald Reagan said that a recession is when your neighbor loses his job and a depression is when you lose yours.

And don’t forget the punchline…

“…and recovery is when Jimmy Carter loses his.”

938 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:14:26pm

re: #932 loppyd

It is way past his bedtime.

And with that wife, if I wasn’t in bed by 10 I’d go to slep.

/badda-bing

939 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:14:36pm

re: #893 Bobblehead

Tea-baggin? Obviously I’m outta the loop here. Explain please.

I ain’t tellin’.

940 Bobblehead  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:14:45pm

re: #916 JollyFatMan

Bobblehead,

Your link: Teabagging

Prepare yourself….

JFM

Oh my goodness. I have nothing else to say.

941 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:14:50pm

re: #888 Iron Fist

I have two guns. One for each of ya.

Well, go on, lunger!

942 Dianna  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:14:51pm

re: #937 Dar ul Harb

And don’t forget the punchline…

“…and recovery is when Jimmy Carter loses his.”

I was at a campaign rally for Reagan where that line was used, and the crowd chanted it with him.

943 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:15:19pm

While I need to go to bed. This is VERY IMPORTANT!

Y’all keep RealWest in your prayers and thoughts tonight. Some scary cancer tests and stuff going on for him. He finds out some results tomorrow morning.

Before LGF, you could have never convinced me that I’d give a shit about someone I have never met in person.

Please take a minute tonight, if you are a Christian or Jew, pray for him. If you are Atheist, a good thought would be appreciated. Whatever you’ve got that’s positive…send an extra share his way.

Thanks.

944 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:15:23pm

re: #927 MandyManners

I recently acquired some equipment.

*giggle*

Trace this, you fucking commie bastard!

DO TELL!

Wadja get?

945 mattm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:15:37pm

re: #11 Racer X

Serious question:

What exactly does the Federal Government do well?

Um, uh, well, huh……I don’t know.

946 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:16:16pm

re: #938 OldLineTexan

And with that wife, if I wasn’t in bed by 10 I’d go to slep.

/badda-bing

:)

Fred did alright.

947 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:16:24pm

re: #933 Occasional Reader

The working classes! What a great turn of phrase.

Yeah, I’m talking about the guys who make less than $50,000 a year doing bullshit work shuffling papers, working retail or (god forbid) working with their hands actually making something or digging a ditch.

948 Racer X  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:16:24pm

I gotsta know.

Do the Nazi Paulians drink Coke or Pepsi?

/I’m thirsty here.

949 Parker in US  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:16:37pm

re: #748 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Balanced Budget Amendment? Ron Paul supports it.

[Link: www.ontheissues.org…]

You don’t get to a better place by passing more laws. Instead, you start by repealing the laws that put you in your current condition.

OK I will be the nut here but I believe that the 16th and 17th amendment to the constitution got us were we are today, 11.1 trillion in debt and a government that pokes into our private life whenever they feel its for our own good. HEAR ME OUT!

First the 16th: This amendment allows the government to tax the citizens of the US without distributions to the states. This allowed the federal government ability to tell the states “Step in Line or WE will Cut Off Your Funding”. Before this the Federal government would have to ask the states for money to study why pigs smell if they went over their budget on all the federal taxes. Am I right So far (had a few jacks so help me here)?

The 17th Ammendment: The 17th amendment allowed states to elect their Senators by popular vote rather that those Senators being appointed by their states legislatures. This probably seemed like a good idea at the time but now I see why our founding fathers built it this way. By the 2 senators from each state being in Washington at the pleasure their respective legislatures it allowed them to recall them at any time it also kept them from being beholden to those that helped them to get elected. This was our stop gap to our Republic and kept us from being a democracy.

That’s my opinion these amendments must go if we want to continue to be the republic that is The United States Of America

950 HoosierHoops  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:16:40pm

Programming notes..
Watching Denver and Portland tonight.. I have got to agree with most of the buzz..Watch out for Portland in the playoffs..They have that X factor..Odem is fast now..healthy..usually grandpa in a wheelchair could beat him to the lane..
/

951 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:16:55pm
952 Bobblehead  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:17:24pm

re: #943 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

While I need to go to bed. This is VERY IMPORTANT!

Y’all keep RealWest in your prayers and thoughts tonight. Some scary cancer tests and stuff going on for him. He finds out some results tomorrow morning.

Before LGF, you could have never convinced me that I’d give a shit about someone I have never met in person.

Please take a minute tonight, if you are a Christian or Jew, pray for him. If you are Atheist, a good thought would be appreciated. Whatever you’ve got that’s positive…send an extra share his way.

Thanks.

It goes without saying.

953 tackle  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:17:38pm

re: #943 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: realwest
He’s always been kind to me, and I’m nobody ‘round here.

954 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:17:39pm

Regarding the quality of folks here:

Everyone at Huffpo and Kos, bar none, knows what teabaggin’ is, and would down-ding and ridicule you with great glee if you asked.

Another reason I love LGF. ‘Nuff said.

955 Afrocity  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:17:47pm

Hey great news Amy Siskind just emailed me and asked me to contribute to the blog New Agenda- a new non-partisan group for women’s rights.
Has anyone worked with them before? I just joined a couple of weeks ago and wondered if it has more liberals than conservatives but still it is a great concept.

956 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:17:49pm

re: #947 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I’m talking about the guys who make less than $50,000 a year doing bullshit work shuffling papers, working retail or (god forbid) working with their hands actually making something or digging a ditch.

And I’ve got this odd idea of not dividing people into “classes”, period.

But, to each his own.

957 Jimash  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:17:55pm

re: #944 Occasional Reader

Snuke ?

958 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:17:59pm

re: #947 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I’m talking about the guys who make less than $50,000 a year doing bullshit work shuffling papers, working retail or (god forbid) working with their hands actually making something or digging a ditch.

CLASS WARFARE!

/TEA PARTY!

959 Boxy_brown  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:18:04pm

re: #943 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

While I need to go to bed. This is VERY IMPORTANT!

Y’all keep RealWest in your prayers and thoughts tonight. Some scary cancer tests and stuff going on for him. He finds out some results tomorrow morning.

Before LGF, you could have never convinced me that I’d give a shit about someone I have never met in person.

Please take a minute tonight, if you are a Christian or Jew, pray for him. If you are Atheist, a good thought would be appreciated. Whatever you’ve got that’s positive…send an extra share his way.

Thanks.

Thanks for posting that FBV. Hopes and prayers for RealWest. Good night to the rest….

960 jaunte  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:18:18pm

re: #943 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

While I need to go to bed. This is VERY IMPORTANT!

Y’all keep RealWest in your prayers and thoughts tonight. Some scary cancer tests and stuff going on for him. He finds out some results tomorrow morning.

Before LGF, you could have never convinced me that I’d give a shit about someone I have never met in person.

Please take a minute tonight, if you are a Christian or Jew, pray for him. If you are Atheist, a good thought would be appreciated. Whatever you’ve got that’s positive…send an extra share his way.

Thanks.

Excellent suggestion; thanks for posting that.

961 mattm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:18:21pm

I attended the Springfield MA protest. I would say about 300 people most of the time maybe some more at times. It was a mixed group, from young to old, retired to business people. One, maybe two cooks. They stayed out of the way for the most part.

Three TV stations were present with live reports. Numerous cars honked, say 30% to show support, even some city workers in city vehicles and transit authority buses.

Only “violence” type events were several black bus riders yelled racist remarks out the window and a Obamabot to yelled “Shut the f**k up! You have no right to protest! Obamaaaaa!’ and sped off. Coward.

Best part, it was outside the Post Office and less than a mile from the the Springfield Armory where Shays Rebellion took place.

962 Mich-again  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:18:31pm

A long time ago the anti-Federal Reserve people warned anyone who would listen that the big bailouts (ha, they thought the $1.5 billion Chrysler Bailout in 1980 was bad) would just continue to grow in size and scope until the ultimate bailout to end all bailouts. A single global currency. I thought they were kooks. That was 30 years ago. And other than the part about dumping the dollar and adopting a global currency things have played out just about how the script said they would.

But I wonder how long till our elected officials start floating the idea of a global currency and CNN does opinion polls to show the popularity for the global nanny state.

963 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:18:37pm

re: #958 OldLineTexan


CLASS WARFARE!

/TEA PARTY!


Tea Party!

964 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:18:41pm

re: #68 Racer X

So far I see the Federal Government doing these things really well:

a). Does a good job providing a Federal militia to keep Americans safe.

b). Studies natural phenomena in order to prevent or minimize disasters.

c). Responds to disasters in a manner that helps people as quickly as possible.

Anything else?

They deliver the mail.

965 capitalist piglet  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:18:52pm

re: #953 tackle

re: realwest
He’s always been kind to me, and I’m nobody ‘round here.

Me too. Love me some realwest.

966 Parker in US  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:18:53pm

re: #809 Last Mohican

Ah, but you watched the wrong network. Go look at CNN’s coverage. Then you’ll realize that everyone at the tea parties was a crazed, dimwitted Paulian madman who wants to eliminate the fiat money system, and can’t even spell “statist” properly on his own placard.

This is why they (CNN) are going broke.

967 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:19:17pm

re: #957 Jimash

Snuke ?

OMG, they snuck a snook in her snitch?

/

968 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:19:22pm

re: #940 Bobblehead

Oh my goodness. I have nothing else to say.

This is why I was laughing and crying when people thought it was a good idea to send tea bags to public officials and call it tea bagging. It was a bad joke before it started.

969 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:19:29pm

re: #914 loppyd

I have been involved since 1992.

How do you know the outcome of these protests will not do exactly what you wish? You don’t. So why not be positive and root for success?

I guess I doubt success in getting fiscal conservatives back in Congress will come about without fiscal conservatives getting involved in the party and making sure that’s who gets nominated. I have my doubts because of people like you mentioned earlier who would rather stay at home as their form of protest. I have doubts, I think they’re historically warranted, and if I’m wrong down the road, I will say so. But until then, I have the right to my skeptical opinion. I haven’t advocated people not go to the protests, I’ve advocated more involvement in the party. That makes me a bad guy, I guess.

970 Afrocity  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:19:48pm

I was just about to ask about realwest. Is he okay. I know that he is ill.

971 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:19:53pm

re: #943 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

With every post RealWest makes a prayer (from somewhere) is sent his way.

972 kynna  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:19:59pm

re: #943 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

While I need to go to bed. This is VERY IMPORTANT!

Y’all keep RealWest in your prayers and thoughts tonight. Some scary cancer tests and stuff going on for him. He finds out some results tomorrow morning.

Before LGF, you could have never convinced me that I’d give a shit about someone I have never met in person.

Please take a minute tonight, if you are a Christian or Jew, pray for him. If you are Atheist, a good thought would be appreciated. Whatever you’ve got that’s positive…send an extra share his way.

Thanks.

Done. Thanks for posting.

973 VioletTiger  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:20:11pm

re: #943 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You’re a good man too, FBV.

974 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:20:23pm

re: #963 Killgore Trout

Tea Party!

Class Warfare!

975 jayzee  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:20:24pm

re: #963 Killgore Trout

Tea Party!

We can use my daughter’s set.

976 hazzyday  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:20:29pm

These TV commercials for fast food where people talk with their mouth full or wipe a greasy hamburger in their hair turn me off like Ron Paul on a debate platform. And the Burger King guy just reminds me of a pedophile.

977 Afrocity  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:20:48pm

re: #972 kynna

This is making me cry.

978 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:20:58pm

re: #928 ArmyWife

Ron Paul is attempting to fill it - who can blame him? Again, someone (anyone!) who isn’t a goof should begin to organize this - don’t we have community organizers SOMEWHERE? Ok, fine. I’ll settle for a conservative who doesn’t think alienating the Nazi vote is a bad thing. That person exists. Fred Thompson, WHERE ARE YOU?

Don’t bother calling for more organization. People will say you think they can’t think without a central office.

979 Parker in US  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:21:08pm

re: #961 mattm

I attended the Springfield MA protest. I would say about 300 people most of the time maybe some more at times. It was a mixed group, from young to old, retired to business people. One, maybe two cooks. They stayed out of the way for the most part.

Three TV stations were present with live reports. Numerous cars honked, say 30% to show support, even some city workers in city vehicles and transit authority buses.

Only “violence” type events were several black bus riders yelled racist remarks out the window and a Obamabot to yelled “Shut the f**k up! You have no right to protest! Obamaaaaa!’ and sped off. Coward.

Best part, it was outside the Post Office and less than a mile from the the Springfield Armory where Shays Rebellion took place.

980 itellu3times  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:22:34pm

re: #943 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

realwest, I’m on your team!

thanks for the post, fbv.

981 HoosierHoops  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:22:39pm

re: #970 Afrocity

I was just about to ask about realwest. Is he okay. I know that he is ill.

Shoot him an email afro..I’m sure he would love hearing from you..

982 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:22:57pm

re: #976 hazzyday

These TV commercials for fast food where people talk with their mouth full or wipe a greasy hamburger in their hair turn me off like Ron Paul on a debate platform. And the Burger King guy just reminds me of a pedophile.

You made a similar comment last night. You really don’t like those commercials.

983 TheAntichrist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:23:03pm

Shouldn’t Ron Paul be having kool-aid parties instead?

984 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:23:14pm
985 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:23:18pm

re: #980 itellu3times

realwest, I’m on your team!

Odd… I had you pegged as a cancer fan.

/sorry, dark humor… GO REALWEST!

986 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:23:56pm

re: #951 MandyManners

Much better than the Spiderman cartoon song.

987 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:24:20pm
988 hazzyday  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:24:29pm

re: #982 unrealizedviewpoint

That must of been someone else. I think I spoke on this a year or go. I was watching TV and wondering how this type of marketing is a good idea. It must sell. I must be in the minority I think.

989 Mad Mullah  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:24:38pm

Speaking of nazis, in my vast travels across the web, I’ve been called a nazi at least hundreds of times, almost always by liberaltards. I’ve also been called a neocon ratbastard, dirty warmongerer, racist and every other name in the book, but that’s a slightly different topic.

With my newly found knowledge regarding what I was, I actually did sign up at stormfront (I get a kick out of occasionally trolling people that I really do not like), but they unfortunately banned me after my very first post. I guess that I wasn’t a good enough nazi for those guys.

990 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:24:59pm

Ok Everyone -

Personally could NOT get to the Tea Party in Belmar, NJ. Let the Head of Maintenance and Chief Bookkeeper go. Was raining kittens and puppies. THE CHIEF was at his home recuperating from a bug. They tell me 2-300 people attended here in “Blue Country” - not too bad. re: #931 kynna

Wow. Most depressing thread since … a long time.

Gives me an overwhelming feeling of “don’t bother trying.”

Thank God the American Revolution happened in a more primitive time. It wouldn’t even get off the ground now. And Ron Paul would be our first president. Yipe.

Kynna -

Think of it this way - Paul for President in ‘12 (1812!). Rev up that overture and them there cannons.

-S-

991 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:24:59pm

re: #961 mattm

Sorry to ask. But did you mean “kooks”? I really wouldn’t have a problem if cooks showed up anywhere I happened to be.

992 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:25:00pm

re: #969 Sharmuta

I guess I doubt success in getting fiscal conservatives back in Congress will come about without fiscal conservatives getting involved in the party and making sure that’s who gets nominated. I have my doubts because of people like you mentioned earlier who would rather stay at home as their form of protest. I have doubts, I think they’re historically warranted, and if I’m wrong down the road, I will say so. But until then, I have the right to my skeptical opinion. I haven’t advocated people not go to the protests, I’ve advocated more involvement in the party. That makes me a bad guy, I guess.

Not the bad guy, but a bit of a downer. I say let the people have their day in the sun. No harm in that.

993 Mich-again  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:25:33pm

re: #819 Dianna

Good on you Dianna for taking the time and effort to go and be there.

994 doppelganglander  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:25:36pm

re: #890 Dianna

I agree with you; I also agree with Sharmuta that, without some better organization than we’re seeing right now, the frustration is merely going to be played on by the Ron Paulian types.

Which means it falls apart into a welter of confusion and recriminations, and nothing changes.


Yes. Organization is a necessary thing. I think this is a good opportunity for new leadership to emerge. The Paultards can try to take credit but IMO they have no influence. Americans on the whole are not crazy and are not easily drawn into fringe movements. The Republicans want it badly, but most Americans wouldn’t trust them to babysit their goldfish right now. I guess I am wistfully hoping for a third party, but I probably won’t get that either.

995 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:25:42pm

re: #984 Iron Fist

:-)

Ah, memories. Life was so care-free back then, so full of excitement and cordite and blood.

Oh, I was thinking on M-4s today, and kind of stumped myself. Do you remember the M-4s we used at Reaganite’s party? I remember that the aimpoinmt batteries were dead, but do you remember if it was a flat-top upper or an A2 upper? I can’t seem to get to the picture in my mind of it.

You talkin’ to me? As Travis Bickle would say.

They had flat-top uppers; I’ve got the pics.

Also, they were full auto, which surprised me. I thought the M4 was three round burst only.

996 itellu3times  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:25:54pm

re: #909 Killgore Trout

Maybe it’s not. Maybe it’s impossible in its current form. Maybe it shifts the tax burden from the wealthy to the working classes. Maybe it’s a work of fiction. Maybe it won’t work in a recession when people stop buying things. Maybe.

What’s his name, Bush’s early press secretary, published a column just the other day, about how more people should pay more taxes, rather than exempt half the population from worrying about federal taxes - and EXPENDITURES. I agree.

Not sure it shifts the burden much, but it might, a little, and at least all voters have shared interests.

997 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:26:20pm
998 JollyFatMan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:26:28pm

re: #949 Parker in US

Actually you aren’t nuts. Having Senators popularly elected instead of appointed by state legislature took much of the state’s voice away. This is actually a setback for states rights.

The effect of the 16th amendment is apparent to anyone that watches the Fed use the carrot/stick approach on the states. This is also a setback for states rights.

JFM

999 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:26:47pm
1000 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:27:02pm
1001 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:27:03pm

mine

1002 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:27:07pm
1003 itellu3times  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:27:07pm

re: #985 Occasional Reader

Odd… I had you pegged as a cancer fan.

/sorry, dark humor… GO REALWEST!

I can spot a scorpio at a hundred paces, but really prefer a libra.

1004 JollyFatMan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:27:09pm

Mandy

U missed

JFM

1005 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:27:09pm

damn

1006 will_not_back_down  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:27:11pm

Ok local CBS WRAL Raleigh NC said 1500 attended…sounds about right. Thanks for all that attended. And thanks to LGF for warning that some of the wackos that could be there.

I’ve been here maybe 5 years now after taking a break for almost two and I can honestly say this is the BEST website to have a discussion bar none. Your learn, get beat up, punch back and that is what’s make us so great. Stick to your core values but always keep your mind open for the alternative.

1007 jaunte  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:27:17pm

re: #989 Mad Mullah

I was called a Zionazi a few times on Youtube Palestine threads, but the threshold is pretty low there.

1008 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:27:18pm

missed by …that much

1009 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:27:27pm

Nope, Mandy.

1010 Parker in US  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:27:36pm

re: #961 mattm

I attended the Springfield MA protest. I would say about 300 people most of the time maybe some more at times. It was a mixed group, from young to old, retired to business people. One, maybe two cooks. They stayed out of the way for the most part.

Three TV stations were present with live reports. Numerous cars honked, say 30% to show support, even some city workers in city vehicles and transit authority buses.

Only “violence” type events were several black bus riders yelled racist remarks out the window and a Obamabot to yelled “Shut the f**k up! You have no right to protest! Obamaaaaa!’ and sped off. Coward.

Best part, it was outside the Post Office and less than a mile from the the Springfield Armory where Shays Rebellion took place.

I used to live in Springfield do they still put wheel locks on cars in the neighborhood on the west side of town. when I lived there it was like a death sentence to your car, first day the other 3 tires gone ( the ones without the boot) next day doors interior gone, next day anything that could be removed from the car was gone, all cuz your dumb ass didn’t pay a parking ticket….LOL

1011 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:27:41pm
1012 doppelganglander  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:27:41pm

re: #955 Afrocity

Hey great news Amy Siskind just emailed me and asked me to contribute to the blog New Agenda- a new non-partisan group for women’s rights.
Has anyone worked with them before? I just joined a couple of weeks ago and wondered if it has more liberals than conservatives but still it is a great concept.


You’re getting to be quite the mover and shaker, aren’t you? I don’t know anything about them, but I know you’ll be cautious about who you lend your voice to. Good luck.

1013 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:27:50pm

re: #988 hazzyday

That must of been someone else. I think I spoke on this a year or go. I was watching TV and wondering how this type of marketing is a good idea. It must sell. I must be in the minority I think.

Someone last night made a similar observation. Yes. The Burger King is really Creepy. I’m surprised that over-sized plastic cold-faced king sells.

1014 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:27:56pm

re: #999 MandyManners

misssssssss!

1015 Afrocity  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:28:03pm

If anyone wants to send Real West a collection of cards etc.
contact me. I would like to participate.

1016 ArmyWife  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:28:04pm

re: #978 Sharmuta

That’s just silly (not you, the logic being employed). I don’t think we need someone who will say “Ok, group! All of our signs say ‘Obama Sucks’ and any non-conforming placards shall be burned at the earliest opportunity”. I’m talking about someone who begins to respond to the the (sane) part of this group - someone who says “I hear you, I hear that you are tired of spending and our party will not tolerate those who support such irresponsibility. In fact, we begin to reverse this trend NOW. In addition, we will no longer entertain those who disregard our Constitution and will call out any and everyone who acts with such reckless abandon” And then mean it. That’s pretty general, but I think you get the gist.

1017 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:28:05pm

re: #1006 will_not_back_down

Ok local CBS WRAL Raleigh NC said 1500 attended…sounds about right. Thanks for all that attended. And thanks to LGF for warning that some of the wackos that could be there.

I’ve been here maybe 5 years now after taking a break for almost two and I can honestly say this is the BEST website to have a discussion bar none. Your learn, get beat up, punch back and that is what’s make us so great. Stick to your core values but always keep your mind open for the alternative.

Estimating just under 2,000 in charlotte. Prolly about the same.

1018 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:28:12pm
1019 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:28:22pm

Can you say “First to a thousand” ?

1020 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:28:51pm

re: #899 Idle Drifter

So did anyone see a Furry at the Tea Parties?

No one ask what a furry is.

1021 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:29:00pm

re: #991 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sorry to ask. But did you mean “kooks”? I really wouldn’t have a problem if cooks showed up anywhere I happened to be.

As long as they knew how to kook with lentil beans and the like, I guess. (You being a vegetarian and all.)

1022 Bloodnok  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:29:20pm

Nite folks. I’m not a very religious guy, but a prayer will be on the way for RW.

1023 jayzee  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:29:49pm

re: #996 itellu3times

What’s his name, Bush’s early press secretary, published a column just the other day, about how more people should pay more taxes, rather than exempt half the population from worrying about federal taxes - and EXPENDITURES. I agree.

Not sure it shifts the burden much, but it might, a little, and at least all voters have shared interests.

That’s more of a flat tax, not the fair tax which is like the European (and other places) VAT-or federal sales tax. I think a flat tax is doable, I just doubt it will happen in the near future.

1024 jaunte  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:29:49pm

re: #1020 Catttt

No one ask what a furry is.

No one can see ‘furry goggles.’

1025 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:29:53pm

re: #997 MandyManners

Beats the hell outta’ me. I’m dealing with maintaining two residences while my mom is zeroing in on death. Ah, she’s not gonna’ die ‘cause she’s too fucking mean to die right now.

This whole fucking notion about ADHD and The Kid is progressing nicely.

Other than that, I’M FINE.

I’m sorry to hear about your mom.

My question, actually, was predicated on the belief that you had acquired a firearm. Did I misunderstand?

1026 JollyFatMan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:29:54pm

Mandy,

Iron Fist posted 1000 and you posted 999. Did I misunderstand something to this game?

JFM

1027 will_not_back_down  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:30:00pm

re: #984 Iron Fist

From I’ve read about the piston test, they did infrared heat test after so many rounds and the hand guards stayed cooler after pro-longed firing with the new piston design. Otherwise heat almost everywhere else was the same IIRC. Plus it keeps gas build up out of the trigger housing which in turn should cut down on jams etc.

1028 Parker in US  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:30:07pm

re: #987 taxfreekiller

the tipping point was reached

some have tripped over the tipping
some are under the tipping
some are much a do about nothing

facts have there way, truth is what it is
luap nor is a silly old man with fewer and fewer kooks kooking now
time passed him by, he is not a thing of a future, his campaign buttons will be rare and good garage sale stuff soon

Dude back away from the shrooms

1029 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:30:19pm

re: #1014 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

misssssssss!

I hear steam escaping.

1030 kynna  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:30:38pm

re: #977 Afrocity

This is making me cry.

Yeah. It’s a damn shame. We paid tens of thousands of dollars in taxes this year, and next year it will only get worse. And my hubby’s self-employed. And to feel like there’s absolutely nothing I can do, or anyone can do, is very depressing. I don’t even have snark for that.

1031 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:30:41pm

re: #1016 ArmyWife

I’m totally with you, Hon. But the last thread the idea of a more centralized, organized movement was criticized.

1032 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:30:48pm

re: #962 Mich-again

But I wonder how long till our elected officials start floating the idea of a global currency and CNN does opinion polls to show the popularity for the global nanny state.

Fortunately, the existing nation-states are jealous of their own power.

Even the Euro-zone, which is the closest approximation to an international monetary system, has had some trouble in implementation.

1033 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:30:52pm
1034 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:30:54pm

1032

1035 hazzyday  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:30:56pm

re: #1013 unrealizedviewpoint

Someone last night made a similar observation. Yes. The Burger King is really Creepy. I’m surprised that over-sized plastic cold-faced king sells.

lol i haven’t stepped in a Burger King since. Quiznos also had some awful add around 01 02 and i stopped going there for years.

1036 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:31:05pm

re: #1023 jayzee

That’s more of a flat tax, not the fair tax which is like the European (and other places) VAT-or federal sales tax. I think a flat tax is doable, I just doubt it will happen in the near future.

“Flat tax” (rate) is fairly useless in terms of “simplifying” the tax code.

The complicated thing about income taxation is figuring out “what is taxable income”, not figuring out what the rate is.

1037 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:31:07pm

Hmmmm. Harder than it looks, I see.

1038 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:31:08pm

re: #1020 Catttt

No one ask what a furry is.

Not yet. Do they really want to know? MMMWWWAHAHAHAHAH!

1039 jaunte  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:31:20pm

re: #1028 Parker in US

Dude back away from the shrooms

And yet he makes several points.

1040 Afrocity  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:31:48pm

re: #1012 doppelganglander

Is she a liberal? I can’t tell. That is why I am asking. A lot of GOP women are in New Agenda. Have you seen Smart Girl Politics? It is for conservative women.

1041 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:31:53pm

re: #997 MandyManners

Beats the hell outta’ me. I’m dealing with maintaining two residences while my mom is zeroing in on death. Ah, she’s not gonna’ die ‘cause she’s too fucking mean to die right now.

I’m envisioning Tony Sopranos mother. Yikes!
I hope you only had a bad day with her.

1042 hazzyday  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:32:09pm

re: #1026 JollyFatMan

Mandy,

Iron Fist posted 1000 and you posted 999. Did I misunderstand something to this game?

JFM

She was reading Iron Fists mind.

1043 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:32:20pm

re: #1035 hazzyday

lol i haven’t stepped in a Burger King since. Quiznos also had some awful add around 01 02 and i stopped going there for years.

The quiznos baby?

1044 doppelganglander  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:32:36pm

re: #996 itellu3times

What’s his name, Bush’s early press secretary, published a column just the other day, about how more people should pay more taxes, rather than exempt half the population from worrying about federal taxes - and EXPENDITURES. I agree.

Not sure it shifts the burden much, but it might, a little, and at least all voters have shared interests.

I posted that article on my Facebook today and got a foam-flecked rant from one of my high school friends about the evil GWB. It really had nothing to do with the story. I don’t believe he read the article — I think he had a Pavlovian reaction to the name Ari Fleischer. I suppose we’ll see whether we can remain friendly, or whether he’ll organize a “doppelganglander is a Nazi” group.

1045 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:32:43pm
1046 JollyFatMan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:32:49pm

re: #1042 hazzyday

So that’s how it works.

JFM

1047 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:33:31pm

re: #1038 Idle Drifter

Not yet. Do they really want to know? MMMWWWAHAHAHAHAH!

The fact that I already know what everything is or means or does or where it goes or how it goes there is making me very verrah, verrah worldly.

1048 Mich-again  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:33:32pm

re: #949 Parker in US

OK I will be the nut here but I believe that the 16th and 17th amendment to the constitution got us were we are today, 11.1 trillion in debt and a government that pokes into our private life whenever they feel its for our own good. HEAR ME OUT!

Dude, I’m working that corner!

I have said here many times the 17th amendment took away one of the key features of the system for self-government designed by the Founding Fathers. Repeal it. Let the State Legislatures pick the Senators.


Or maybe its just a case of GMTA. :-)

1049 Dianna  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:34:07pm

re: #1012 doppelganglander

You’re getting to be quite the mover and shaker, aren’t you? I don’t know anything about them, but I know you’ll be cautious about who you lend your voice to. Good luck.

A google search of Amy and the group might show what they’ve written, too.

1050 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:34:07pm

re: #1047 Catttt

The fact that I already know what everything is or means or does or where it goes or how it goes there is making me FEELverrah, verrah worldly.

Drat it.

1051 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:34:54pm

re: #949 Parker in US

OK I will be the nut here but I believe that the 16th and 17th amendment to the constitution got us were we are today, 11.1 trillion in debt and a government that pokes into our private life whenever they feel its for our own good. HEAR ME OUT!

First the 16th: This amendment allows the government to tax the citizens of the US without distributions to the states. This allowed the federal government ability to tell the states “Step in Line or WE will Cut Off Your Funding”. Before this the Federal government would have to ask the states for money to study why pigs smell if they went over their budget on all the federal taxes. Am I right So far (had a few jacks so help me here)?

The 17th Ammendment: The 17th amendment allowed states to elect their Senators by popular vote rather that those Senators being appointed by their states legislatures. This probably seemed like a good idea at the time but now I see why our founding fathers built it this way. By the 2 senators from each state being in Washington at the pleasure their respective legislatures it allowed them to recall them at any time it also kept them from being beholden to those that helped them to get elected. This was our stop gap to our Republic and kept us from being a democracy.

That’s my opinion these amendments must go if we want to continue to be the republic that is The United States Of America

Whatever it takes. The reason our country is screwed up, beside the fact that the ordinary citizen has become a dumbass, is because entrenched politicians with too much money to spend have passed law after law and created bureaucracy after bureaucracy to the point of being tyrannical. The normal knee-jerk reaction from the public is for them to pass more laws, which I think is a mistake.

1052 Afrocity  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:34:54pm

re: #1045 Iron Fist

He’s been pretty badly ill for years. There was one point where they prettmuch told him to hang it up and go to the house, but he didn’t. He’s still with us. I don’t know that I would haver that much fight left in me afterr all he’s been through.

He’s a real ace of a guy, and good friend to many, if not most, of the regular contributors.

I have been here a short time but there are several LGF posters who have had a positive impact on my life since joining, real west is one of them.

1053 hazzyday  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:35:12pm

re: #1043 astronmr20

The quiznos baby?

That might have been one also. All I remember is an ugly disjointed freaky commercial that insulted my taste buds. And I was a big Quiznos fan. I think bad advertising doesn’t always have the effect advertising pros think it should. I watched too much TV.

1054 jayzee  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:35:27pm

re: #1036 Occasional Reader

“Flat tax” (rate) is fairly useless in terms of “simplifying” the tax code.

The complicated thing about income taxation is figuring out “what is taxable income”, not figuring out what the rate is.

Mmmmm, not sure. The way I’ve heard most advocate it is that you flatten the rates and the deductions so it isn’t that complicated to determine what is taxable, because it all is. You need to increase the tax base as well.

1055 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:35:36pm

re: #1045 Iron Fist

He’s been pretty badly ill for years. There was one point where they prettmuch told him to hang it up and go to the house, but he didn’t. He’s still with us. I don’t know that I would haver that much fight left in me afterr all he’s been through.

He’s a real ace of a guy, and good friend to many, if not most, of the regular contributors.

I think the cancer is going to rue the day it decided to mess with realwest again. He kicked its ass once. Why is it a glutton for punishment?

GO REALWEST

1056 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:36:00pm
1057 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:36:08pm

re: #1040 Afrocity

Sounds kind of…ahem… sexist.

1058 Dianna  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:36:09pm

re: #1051 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Remember, in California, only 4 (count ‘em, 4) incumbents failed of re-election.

That’s not the sign of a healthy republic.

1059 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:36:47pm

re: #1045 Iron Fist

He’s a gentleman and a scholar, as well as a sweet guy.

1060 Racer X  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:37:05pm

re: #1011 MandyManners

AAAARRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

She’s a pirate!

Get her!

1061 Van Helsing  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:37:08pm

re: #1051 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Whatever it takes. The reason our country is screwed up, beside the fact that the ordinary citizen has become a dumbass, is because entrenched politicians with too much money to spend have passed law after law and created bureaucracy after bureaucracy to the point of being tyrannical. The normal knee-jerk reaction from the public is for them to pass more laws, which I think is a mistake.

This lets the bureaucracy rule by regulation. Regulations do not get the scrutiny that legislation does, er, did until recently.

1062 itellu3times  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:37:14pm

re: #1023 jayzee

That’s more of a flat tax, not the fair tax which is like the European (and other places) VAT-or federal sales tax. I think a flat tax is doable, I just doubt it will happen in the near future.

I hate sales/consumption taxes, for no real objective reasons. I mean, they’re naturally too flat, regressive, until you start exempting food and fuel, but then what’s left gets increasingly obnoxious.

Arie Fliescher (sp?) wasn’t even saying flat, just participatory.

I prefer the flat tax, maybe with two sections, 10% of income over $20k, then 20% of income over $30k, or thereabouts, plus or minus a few adjustments for joint returns and dependents.

1063 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:37:21pm

re: #1047 Catttt

The fact that I already know what everything is or means or does or where it goes or how it goes there is making me very verrah, verrah worldly.

What is really funny is when you tell someone the answer to their question and they have the disturbed look on their face. I can see the gears inside their heads just whirring away.

1064 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:37:26pm

re: #1045 Iron Fist

Frankly, he humbles me.

{REALWEST!}

1065 hazzyday  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:37:27pm

Yah Realwest, be tough. thoughts are with you.

1066 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:38:21pm

Goodnight all. Great post, FBV, re: RW. Will do.

1067 Afrocity  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:38:41pm

re: #1057 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sounds kind of…ahem… sexist.

There was no sarc tag at the end of your sentence. What exactly is sexist?
There is no outlet for conservative feminists like me and Smart Girls is a great group of women and I have been networking and met other conservative black women. We have to stop letting the abortion issue divide women and get the female vote from the democrats.

1068 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:38:54pm

Holy lateness, Batman!

I am going to be wicked freakin’ bummed when the alarm goes off in less than six hours.

/Boston speak

Have a good night, all.

1069 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:38:56pm

re: #1054 jayzee

Mmmmm, not sure. The way I’ve heard most advocate it is that you flatten the rates and the deductions so it isn’t that complicated to determine what is taxable, because it all is. You need to increase the tax base as well.

I’m not a tax lawyer, but trust me… saying it’s “all” taxable? Bwaaahaahaha. That would always be the trick.

(And of course “flat tax” and doing something with deductions are two different categories.)

1070 capitalist piglet  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:39:04pm

re: #969 Sharmuta

I am supportive of the Tea Parties and have personally felt pretty discouraged by a lot of what I’ve read here, but I never thought you were a “bad guy”. I always knew the motivation behind your viewpoint was sincere, and intended for good. I can’t say that about everyone here, but I can say it about you.

1071 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:39:06pm

re: #1060 Racer X

She’s a pirate!

Get her!

Talk Like a Pirate Day is going to be hell this year. And what of poor Cap’n Morgan? /

1072 Dianna  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:39:14pm

re: #1040 Afrocity

Is she a liberal? I can’t tell. That is why I am asking. A lot of GOP women are in New Agenda. Have you seen Smart Girl Politics? It is for conservative women.

I’d read as much of the material as possible and make up your own mind.

1073 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:39:26pm

re: #1056 MandyManners

Had? Acquired?

Goodness.

Huh?

1074 Desert Dog  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:39:34pm

re: #1058 Dianna

Remember, in California, only 4 (count ‘em, 4) incumbents failed of re-election.

That’s not the sign of a healthy republic.

And, the Census will be “personally” supervised by Rahm “Never Waste a Good Crisis” Emmanuel. So, we can all sleep well at night knowing he will be fair and balanced when apportioning the congressional districts

1075 Sharmuta  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:39:43pm

re: #1070 capitalist piglet

I am supportive of the Tea Parties and have personally felt pretty discouraged by a lot of what I’ve read here, but I never thought you were a “bad guy”. I always knew the motivation behind your viewpoint was sincere, and intended for good. I can’t say that about everyone here, but I can say it about you.

Thanks.

1076 itellu3times  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:40:01pm

re: #1036 Occasional Reader

“Flat tax” (rate) is fairly useless in terms of “simplifying” the tax code.

The complicated thing about income taxation is figuring out “what is taxable income”, not figuring out what the rate is.

It’s a serious question more for businesses than for personal returns, and the direction is to count as comprehensively and simply as possible. But sure, it’s still tricky, capital gains and such. I don’t think it’s a show-stopper.

1077 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:40:15pm

re: #1065 hazzyday

Yah Realwest, be tough. thoughts are with you.

I’ll say a prayer myself before I turn in.

1078 Dianna  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:40:38pm

re: #1074 Desert Dog

And, the Census will be “personally” supervised by Rahm “Never Waste a Good Crisis” Emmanuel. So, we can all sleep well at night knowing he will be fair and balanced when apportioning the congressional districts

That just doesn’t sit well, does it?

The Census needs to go back where it belongs.

1079 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:40:43pm

Just back from my local Tea Party.

Most of the folks seemed quite normal. First protest I’ve been to where the entire crowd sang the National Anthem.

Were there kooks there as well?…Most definitely. There were Ron Paul people, and there were Birth Certificate conspiracy nutters too. There was even one fellow wearing a “9/11 Was an Inside Job” shirt, though thankfully a few people were giving him shit about it.

The worst thing about it were the speakers on stage. They were just awful. One of the speakers said that Barack Obama wants to “put us all in concentration camps”. There wasn’t one decent speech, they all sounded paranoid at best…..crazy even.

1080 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:41:28pm

re: #1078 Dianna

That just doesn’t sit well, does it?

The Census needs to go back where it belongs.

I suggest a poll on the Stormfront site.

/

1081 swamprat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:41:31pm

Paulians are using what tools they can, I don’t blame them.

But.

The “tea parties” started before any actual taxes impacted the public. These guys didn’t even wait for an excuse. They would have protested Obamas’ choice of jackets, if nothing else came up. The right wing simply can’t fake a grass-roots movement as well as the left can. We are way out of our league.

1082 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:41:31pm
1083 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:41:40pm

re: #1079 Ringo the Gringo

Just back from my local Tea Party.

Most of the folks seemed quite normal. First protest I’ve been to where the entire crowd sang the National Anthem.

Were there kooks there as well?…Most definitely. There were Ron Paul people, and there were Birth Certificate conspiracy nutters too. There was even one fellow wearing a “9/11 Was an Inside Job” shirt, though thankfully a few people were giving him shit about it.

The worst thing about it were the speakers on stage. They were just awful. One of the speakers said that Barack Obama wants to “put us all in concentration camps”. There wasn’t one decent speech, they all sounded paranoid at best…..crazy even.

Quiet! Nobody wants to hear any of that!

/dripping

1084 JollyFatMan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:42:13pm

re: #1079 Ringo the Gringo

Okay, the concentration camp meme is definitely a nutter issue. I think maybe you found a winner!

JFM

1085 pat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:42:30pm

What is the obscene reference to tea party people every one keeps talking about that is never said? WTF? It is on NBC but no says the word?

1086 doppelganglander  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:42:33pm

I should hit the hay, too. Firefox has been a pain today so I’m using IE, and that’s running incredibly slowly. It’s been fun, kids.

And prayers/positive thoughts/voodoo rituals/whatever it takes for Realwest.

1087 Dianna  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:42:39pm

re: #1079 Ringo the Gringo

Just back from my local Tea Party.

Most of the folks seemed quite normal. First protest I’ve been to where the entire crowd sang the National Anthem.

Were there kooks there as well?…Most definitely. There were Ron Paul people, and there were Birth Certificate conspiracy nutters too. There was even one fellow wearing a “9/11 Was an Inside Job” shirt, though thankfully a few people were giving him shit about it.

The worst thing about it were the speakers on stage. They were just awful. One of the speakers said that Barack Obama wants to “put us all in concentration camps”. There wasn’t one decent speech, they all sounded paranoid at best…..crazy even.

What I heard of the speeches in San Jose didn’t seem to have that element. Mostly, they talked about the tax burden and how it’s distributed. And about how dangerous it is to have so very many incumbents. One speaker did talk about Pete Stark, which was very good news for me.

1088 ArmyWife  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:42:49pm

re: #1062 itellu3times

Wait, help me understand this. Suppose I earn $150,000/yr. With this model, the first 20,000 is exempt? Then the next $10,000 is taxed at 10%? So that’s $1,000. The remaining $120,000 is then taxed at 20% totaling 24,000 for a total of $25,000/yr in annual Fed. income taxes?

1089 Afrocity  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:42:57pm

re: #1079 Ringo the Gringo

Just back from my local Tea Party.

Most of the folks seemed quite normal. First protest I’ve been to where the entire crowd sang the National Anthem.

That was patriotic and would have made it worth my time to go. I should have went to my local one but I am in Obama central and was afraid of violent outbreaks.

1090 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:43:01pm
1091 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:43:11pm

Goodnight.

Go to the overnight open thread…post #624… 4/15/09 7:21:00am please

Ding the hell out of it!

Let him know you love him!

1092 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:43:18pm

OK. Goodnight, my friends.

See you on the flip side. /too pooped to be original.

1093 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:43:18pm

re: #1079 Ringo the Gringo

Sounds like the Tea Parties have solid membership, but need to fire the “leadership”, perhaps.

1094 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:44:12pm

re: #1061 Van Helsing

This lets the bureaucracy rule by regulation. Regulations do not get the scrutiny that legislation does, er, did until recently.

Now, let’s talk about “shadow government.”

/

1095 Desert Dog  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:44:14pm

re: #1093 Occasional Reader

Sounds like the Tea Parties have solid membership, but need to fire the “leadership”, perhaps.

Vee have vas of make zem disappear

1096 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:44:29pm

re: #1071 Catttt

Talk Like a Pirate Day is going to be hell this year. And what of poor Cap’n Morgan? /

Never shall we die!

1097 KingKenrod  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:44:38pm

re: #1068 loppyd

Holy lateness, Batman!

I am going to be wicked freakin’ bummed when the alarm goes off in less than six hours.

/Boston speak

Have a good night, all.


I appreciate the exchange between you and Sharmuta. It was interesting, civil, and rational.

1098 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:44:49pm

re: #1091 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh. AND READ HIS 550! DING ‘EM BOTH!

1099 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:45:04pm

re: #1079 Ringo the Gringo


The worst thing about it were the speakers on stage. They were just awful. One of the speakers said that Barack Obama wants to “put us all in concentration camps”. There wasn’t one decent speech, they all sounded paranoid at best…..crazy even.


Yeah, that’s a problem.

1100 Dianna  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:45:18pm

re: #1093 Occasional Reader

Sounds like the Tea Parties have solid membership, but need to fire the “leadership”, perhaps.

Nutsoid speakers aren’t helpful, no.

I didn’t see even one nirth certifikit sign. I only saw one sign I didn’t like, and it was a very long way away from me.

1101 pink freud  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:45:20pm

re: #1067 Afrocity

There was no sarc tag at the end of your sentence. What exactly is sexist?
There is no outlet for conservative feminists like me and Smart Girls is a great group of women and I have been networking and met other conservative black women. We have to stop letting the abortion issue divide women and get the female vote from the democrats.

Divide? In that one post you speak of division four times ….”feminists”, “women”, “conservative black women”, and “democrats” Why worry about the abortion issue when you surround yourself with others just as divisive?

1102 jayzee  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:45:50pm

re: #1076 itellu3times

It’s a serious question more for businesses than for personal returns, and the direction is to count as comprehensively and simply as possible. But sure, it’s still tricky, capital gains and such. I don’t think it’s a show-stopper.

Like I said before, we actually have a flat tax and simplified deductions code already here called the AMT. Making a fairer version of it? Again, I’m dubious and don’t know if it would even work. Furthermore, this simplified system is actually made complicated when they add penalties like the normal tax code has deductions. It’s crazy. Uggh time for bed.

1103 Dianna  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:45:57pm

re: #1099 Killgore Trout

Yeah, that’s a problem.

You don’t say?

1104 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:46:43pm

re: #1090 Iron Fist

Thanks. It soulds like it might help a little, but not a whol lot. When we were shooting the M4s we kept having to pause and wait for the gun to cool down before we continued. I was hoping that the piston helped fix the problem. LWRC has one out that fires from a closed bolt for the first round, but then fires in an open bolt configuration for the rest of the magazine. That’ll help some.

Some day you’ll have to explain the open bolt/closed bolt firing thing.

But for now, I’m to off to bed.

Good night.

1105 Dianna  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:47:08pm

re: #1104 Occasional Reader

‘Night!

1106 nyc redneck  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:47:16pm

we had a great event here in manhattan tonight. it was so packed downtown, i
had to stand across broadway to watch the speakers on the stage set up at
barclay st.
i was on the side walk in front of the beautiful woolworth bldg.
i think they underestimated crowd, because there was a lot of spill over from the
barricaded area that stretched 2 city blocks.
it was diverse crowd. nyc is a diverse town.
in the area i was at, i saw white, hispanic, asian and black people.
old, middle aged, young and children. everyone was exuberant, cheerful,
enjoying the show.
there was one drunk who kept growling, “i want my country back.”
lots of flags waving.
it was a beautiful crisp evening.
no garish puppets, vulgar signs. i only saw one guy in costume. a very authentic paul revere look. nice velveteen in the vest and knicker trousers.
i’m glad i went.
the only troublemaker i saw was an old chinese woman w/ a bumper sticker that said “impeach obama”. she had on a pink mohair knit hat and was holding up the little bumper sticker squawking “impeach, impeach, impeach”
she pushed to the front of the barricade and won the crowd w/ her antics.
on the subway home i saw a gentleman who had a pen on that said : “obama
spoke and now i’m broke”. i gave him the thumbs up.
a cop said he thought there were 1500 people there.
quite and increase from the first gathering of 200.

1107 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:47:22pm
1108 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:47:26pm

re: #1103 Dianna

You don’t say?

He found the “pony” under the big pile of shit (non-negative reports).

Nothing like positive reinforcement.

1109 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:47:31pm

re: #1101 pink freud

Nah. I forgot the sarc tag.

1110 Parker in US  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:47:50pm

re: #1040 Afrocity

Is she a liberal? I can’t tell. That is why I am asking. A lot of GOP women are in New Agenda. Have you seen Smart Girl Politics? It is for conservative women.

Link doesn’t work

1111 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:48:07pm

re: #1091 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Goodnight.

Go to the overnight open thread…post #624… 4/15/09 7:21:00am please

Ding the hell out of it!

Let him know you love him!

Linky:

littlegreenfootballs.com

Ok - really going now.

1112 pink freud  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:48:30pm

re: #1085 pat

What is the obscene reference to tea party people every one keeps talking about that is never said? WTF? It is on NBC but no says the word?

urbandictionary.com

/just the messenger

1113 Dianna  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:48:36pm

re: #1108 OldLineTexan

He found the “pony” under the big pile of shit (non-negative reports).

Nothing like positive reinforcement.

It never hurts to look with a skeptical eye.

1114 Afrocity  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:48:55pm

re: #1101 pink freud

Divide? In that one post you speak of division four times ….”feminists”, “women”, “conservative black women”, and “democrats” Why worry about the abortion issue when you surround yourself with others just as divisive?

God loves you and so do I Pink Freud.
I am off to get ready for bed.
I will pray for realwest.
And if someone sees Furry Jeans Guy please tell him I am looking for him.

Nite lizards.

1115 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:49:13pm

re: #1083 Charles

Quiet! Nobody wants to hear any of that!

/dripping

This is politics.

//Just a summary of today’s events on LGF.

1116 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:50:23pm

re: #1113 Dianna

It never hurts to look with a skeptical eye.

True, and then there are prejudiced eyes.

1117 nyc redneck  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:50:30pm

i’m so exhausted.
patriotism takes a lot out of a person.
it is so emotional.
i love it.

1118 ArmyWife  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:50:54pm

Good night, crew. Sleep well.

1119 Afrocity  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:50:56pm

re: #1110 Parker in US

Link doesn’t work

smartgirlpolitics.blogspot.com

or google it.
Nite

1120 pat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:51:13pm

re: #1112 pink freud

Thanks. And I guess because one of theirs got caught with his dick out in Central Park NBC knows all about this.

1121 Racer X  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:51:31pm

re: #1079 Ringo the Gringo

Just back from my local Tea Party.

Most of the folks seemed quite normal. First protest I’ve been to where the entire crowd sang the National Anthem.

Were there kooks there as well?…Most definitely. There were Ron Paul people, and there were Birth Certificate conspiracy nutters too. There was even one fellow wearing a “9/11 Was an Inside Job” shirt, though thankfully a few people were giving him shit about it.

The worst thing about it were the speakers on stage. They were just awful. One of the speakers said that Barack Obama wants to “put us all in concentration camps”. There wasn’t one decent speech, they all sounded paranoid at best…..crazy even.

Quick! Shower!

Before you catch deh Nazi!

1122 Parker in US  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:51:41pm

re: #1062 itellu3times

I hate sales/consumption taxes, for no real objective reasons. I mean, they’re naturally too flat, regressive, until you start exempting food and fuel, but then what’s left gets increasingly obnoxious.

Arie Fliescher (sp?) wasn’t even saying flat, just participatory.

I prefer the flat tax, maybe with two sections, 10% of income over $20k, then 20% of income over $30k, or thereabouts, plus or minus a few adjustments for joint returns and dependents.

Participatory design is an approach to design that attempts to actively involve the end users in the design process to help ensure that the product designed meets their needs.

My need no tax at all got a program for that…..LOL

1123 ArmyWife  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:51:45pm

re: #1116 OldLineTexan

and then there are self imposed victimized eyes.

1124 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:51:49pm

I know a lot of the Tea Party crowd feels like I’m picking on them but I’m just being consistent. I’ve said the same thing about the RoP for years. An imam should be giving sermons that no terrorist would want to hear. Why are there terrorists attending your mosque? Because you are not denouncing them. The same thing goes for Tea Parties. White Supremacists and Paulians are showing up because they feel welcomed. They aren’t denounced or made to feel uncomfortable. They show up and hear what they want to hear. They will keep showing up until they feel that the movement isn’t something that interests them. It’s very simple. Keep obfuscating for them and they will keep showing up at your protests. There’s now way the neo-Nazis at stormfront should feel comfortable attending Tea parties. This is a very serious problem.

1125 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:52:08pm

re: #1054 jayzee

Mmmmm, not sure. The way I’ve heard most advocate it is that you flatten the rates and the deductions so it isn’t that complicated to determine what is taxable, because it all is. You need to increase the tax base as well.

jayzee -

The Tax Base has ALREADY been enlarged. Look to Tobacco and Alcohol Excise Taxes which affect lower income citizens far more than higher income citizens. The Obama Administration has already made its decision in favor of “sin taxes.”
That it disproportionately affects his voting base is Schadenfreude to say the least - after all - “It’s For the Children” - NOT!

-S-

1126 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:52:20pm

re: #1103 Dianna

You don’t say?


I did say.

1127 Dianna  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:52:53pm

re: #1116 OldLineTexan

True, and then there are prejudiced eyes.

I understand, and KT has been looking at this with a certain lack of sympathy from the start. He has a point.

You, too, have a point.

Since I actually attended the Tea Party, and paid attention to what I saw and heard, I think KT’s a bit over-concerned - at least in San Jose. But Ringo saw things I didn’t, in So Cal.

Not all the Tea Parties were as sane as mine. It happens.

1128 pink freud  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:52:56pm

re: #1120 pat

Thanks. And I guess because one of theirs got caught with his dick out in Central Park NBC knows all about this.

Someone up thread posted about how everyone at Dkos and Huffington knows all about it …I guess we missed the memo. I had to google it too. Now ask me about Arabian goggles. LOL!

1129 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:53:05pm
1130 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:53:11pm

re: #1123 ArmyWife

and then there are self imposed victimized eyes.

I can be skeptical of skeptics. It’s a circle of life thing.

1131 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:53:16pm

re: #1079 Ringo the Gringo

Just back from my local Tea Party.

Most of the folks seemed quite normal. First protest I’ve been to where the entire crowd sang the National Anthem.

Were there kooks there as well?…Most definitely. There were Ron Paul people, and there were Birth Certificate conspiracy nutters too. There was even one fellow wearing a “9/11 Was an Inside Job” shirt, though thankfully a few people were giving him shit about it.

The worst thing about it were the speakers on stage. They were just awful. One of the speakers said that Barack Obama wants to “put us all in concentration camps”. There wasn’t one decent speech, they all sounded paranoid at best…..crazy even.

Reasonable people won’t put up with that shit for long. Most of what I saw and heard today wasn’t remotely like that. Thanks for posting that.

1132 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:53:29pm

re: #1112 pink freud

My knees are just not what they used to be.

1133 will_not_back_down  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:53:42pm

re: #1090 Iron Fist

The main point I think I got from the reading was the piston system keeps gas/carbon build up out of the lower and bolt area, less jams. I think it was the model they were showing had some fancy hand rails (A4)? to keep the heat away from the hands.

Sending Realwest some positive mojo as I bid everyone a good night.

1134 Silvergirl  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:53:42pm

re: #955 Afrocity

Hey great news Amy Siskind just emailed me and asked me to contribute to the blog New Agenda- a new non-partisan group for women’s rights.
Has anyone worked with them before? I just joined a couple of weeks ago and wondered if it has more liberals than conservatives but still it is a great concept.

They seem to be good people there. A mix of libs and conservatives, probably slightly more liberal, but they insist it’s not about politics, it’s about supporting women. They were vocal about mistreatment of Hillary and just as vocal about Sarah bashing. I would say they’re worth your time, and they put out quality stuff. I happened to visit them when their blog first opened on a tip from someone on the Draft Sarah Palin for VP site.

1135 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:54:14pm

re: #1096 Idle Drifter

Never shall we die!

I hate that song. I’d like to see movie that depicted pirates as the murderous scum they are, a movie where to hero is the brave Navy captain who tracks the priates down and crushes. For me, the mass hanging is the proper ending of a pirate movie, as the gallows is the proper final fate of pirates.

1136 Dianna  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:54:22pm

re: #1126 Killgore Trout

I did say.

My point being that you never say anything else, KT!

1137 TGregg  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:54:33pm

Interesting to see the claims for leadership. Some are putting Ron Paul in front, others Fox News, still others The Republicans.

Here’s a clue. The real leaders of any successful movement are easy to spot and do not require megaphones, blogs or news stories to show they are the leaders. Either this movement is doomed to failure (most likely IMsadO), or a leader has yet to assume the throne, or they wish to remain hidden for the moment.

Sadly, I suspect this is merely a flash-in-the-pan grass roots effort without any real leaders coming forth.

1138 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:54:44pm

re: #1106 nyc redneck
drive-by,
hey nyc redneck. glad you went, wish i could have been there with you.
anyone seen yma lately?
what is going on with realwest?

1139 Parker in US  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:54:46pm

re: #1115 Idle Drifter

This is politics.

//Just a summary of today’s events on LGF.

Oh surly you jest it hasn’t even been close to that.

1140 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:54:55pm

re: #1124 Killgore Trout

I reluctantly, absolutely agree.

1141 pink freud  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:55:29pm

re: #1132 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My knees are just not what they used to be.

Better to have weak knees, IMO, than to live in a sewer.

/mine either :-)

/yeesh!

1142 Bobblehead  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:55:38pm

re: #1114 Afrocity

God loves you and so do I Pink Freud.
I am off to get ready for bed.
I will pray for realwest.
And if someone sees Furry Jeans Guy please tell him I am looking for him.

Nite lizards.

Nite sweetie.

1143 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:55:50pm

re: #1136 Dianna

Why would I say anything other than what I have said?
/Just being difficult

1144 ArmyWife  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:56:08pm

re: #1130 OldLineTexan

I thought the circle of life had more to do with whether you are a lion or gazelle? I could be wrong. It’s happened before. On occasion. Rarely. Ok, almost never. ;)

1145 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:56:44pm

re: #1083 Charles

Quiet! Nobody wants to hear any of that!

/dripping

I absolutely do want to hear that. You can’t always have roses.

1146 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:57:09pm

re: #1140 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I reluctantly, absolutely agree.

Reluctant agreance is my favorite kind.

1147 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:57:14pm

re: #1144 ArmyWife

I thought the circle of life had more to do with whether you are a lion or gazelle? I could be wrong. It’s happened before. On occasion. Rarely. Ok, almost never. ;)

Not you. ;)

As for the circle, there are wheels within wheels.

1148 ArmyWife  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:57:55pm

re: #1147 OldLineTexan

Too deep for me as its 4 minutes to pumpkin time. See y’all manana!

1149 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:57:59pm

Portland, Oregon tea party report:

No crazies (other than the normal crazies that hang out at Pioneer Courthouse Square). Good thing, because my camera went kaput, and I wanted to pretend I was zombie for a day.

2 Ron Paul signs. Hundreds of other signs & flags. Several speakers made the point that the event was not about any one person, and was non-partisan.

Square was pretty full of people. We said the Pledge of Allegiance together; that was cool. Ran into a few folks we know.

No garbage after everyone left. Whew.

1150 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:58:05pm

Ok, time to watch lost.
/Tea party ackbar!
//Ron Paul uber alles

1151 The Other Les  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:58:23pm

Augh! You’re not going to believe this!

Jihad Suicide Hotline.

Jihad Suicide Hotline 2

Jihad Suicide Hotline 3

I should be sorry to say this, but it is really funny.

((Warning! Don’t drink and watch videos! Especially the last one!))

1152 Macker  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:58:32pm

re: #984 Iron Fist

Whatever did happen to Reaganite?

1153 Racer X  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:58:55pm

re: #1124 Killgore Trout

I hear ya.

Several posers here have said that the nutters attending the tea parties were ridiculed. This is good. Many of us NEED a way to voice our dissatisfaction with how the gubment is spending tons of money they simply do not have. It irresponsible and dangerous - especially in these perilous financial times.

Not everyone who attends a tea party is a nut. Yes, some are. Some may have been involved in organizing them. But please, give people some credit. We are not sheep that blindly follow (and vote for a president without really knowing who he is).

1154 Silvergirl  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:59:07pm

re: #1149 EmmmieG

Portland, Oregon tea party report:

No crazies (other than the normal crazies that hang out at Pioneer Courthouse Square). Good thing, because my camera went kaput, and I wanted to pretend I was zombie for a day.

2 Ron Paul signs. Hundreds of other signs & flags. Several speakers made the point that the event was not about any one person, and was non-partisan.

Square was pretty full of people. We said the Pledge of Allegiance together; that was cool. Ran into a few folks we know.

No garbage after everyone left. Whew.

I take it no American flags left in the trash either. :-)

1155 Desert Dog  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:59:15pm

Nothing to do with TeaParties, but

Just when you wanted to eat that 2nd or 3rd donut, you get THIS.

1156 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:59:18pm

re: #1150 Killgore Trout

Ok, time to watch lost.
/Tea party ackbar!
//Ron Paul uber alles

Class Warfare, baby.

1157 NY Nana  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:59:32pm

re: #1112 pink freud

/Even though I was at the original Boston Tea Party, I’m never too old to learn! But I thought all the guys at NBC didn’t have one set of balls between them.

1158 Dianna  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 8:59:58pm

re: #1143 Killgore Trout

Why would I say anything other than what I have said?
/Just being difficult

I got that.

Honestly, though, I was so busy looking for signs of nirthers, Birchers, Paul-bots and neo-nazis that I almost missed a chance to talk to a couple Russians and Poles.

Oh, to give the Paul-bot org its props: they did have a table, with a rather restrained (for them) pamphlet about the Federal Reserve.

I ended up lecturing on why they were wrong, and what’s wrong with the gold standard. And further explaining that inflation is a very bad thing…it all got rather funny at some point.

1159 pink freud  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:00:46pm

re: #1157 NY Nana

/Even though I was at the original Boston Tea Party, I’m never too old to learn! But I thought all the guys at NBC didn’t have one set of balls between them.

Why Nana! I’m shocked I tells ya, shocked!

Hahaha!

1160 The Other Les  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:01:01pm

re: #1152 Macker

Whatever did happen to Reaganite?

Meltdown.

1161 Parker in US  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:01:04pm

re: #1124 Killgore Trout

I know a lot of the Tea Party crowd feels like I’m picking on them but I’m just being consistent. I’ve said the same thing about the RoP for years. An imam should be giving sermons that no terrorist would want to hear. Why are there terrorists attending your mosque? Because you are not denouncing them. The same thing goes for Tea Parties. White Supremacists and Paulians are showing up because they feel welcomed. They aren’t denounced or made to feel uncomfortable. They show up and hear what they want to hear. They will keep showing up until they feel that the movement isn’t something that interests them. It’s very simple. Keep obfuscating for them and they will keep showing up at your protests. There’s now way the neo-Nazis at stormfront should feel comfortable attending Tea parties. This is a very serious problem.

Kilgore WTF white supremacists at Tea Parties Your Joking Right?

1162 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:01:44pm

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1163 itellu3times  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:01:54pm

re: #1088 ArmyWife

Wait, help me understand this. Suppose I earn $150,000/yr. With this model, the first 20,000 is exempt? Then the next $10,000 is taxed at 10%? So that’s $1,000. The remaining $120,000 is then taxed at 20% totaling 24,000 for a total of $25,000/yr in annual Fed. income taxes?

Yes.

(sorry, ran out to Trader Joe’s)

1164 pink freud  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:01:54pm

VDH hits another one outof the park:

President of the World
The globe is hearing a deeply pessimistic view of what America was and is.

1165 Dianna  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:02:03pm

I’m out.

Take care, lizards!

1166 MPH  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:02:06pm

I think the most entertaining outcome of the tea parties is reading the reaction from those who are dismissive (including the media) of those who desire a less intrusive government apparatus. Seeing someone try and defend runaway spending, cap and trade taxes, and the lot can be very funny.

1167 SteveC  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:03:18pm

SC Governor Mark Sanford spoke at the Tea Party at the State House in Columbia SC, So did Senator Jim DeMint.

Yet I heard Neil Cavuto say that no politicians were allowed onstage in Sacramento… everyone in attendance seemed to be allergic to them!

One Local Station in Columbia reported it fairly straightforward; another almost ignored it. They *did* mention it in the traffic report, telling everyone to avoid the area because of a large group of people. Another station took a “Awww… ain’t they so cute?” approach.

1168 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:03:28pm

re: #1157 NY Nana

/Even though I was at the original Boston Tea Party, I’m never too old to learn! But I thought all the guys at NBC didn’t have one set of balls between them.

You mean, they have teabag envy?

1169 Van Helsing  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:04:37pm

re: #1156 OldLineTexan

Class Warfare, baby.

This A10 is class warfare.

1170 nyc redneck  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:06:19pm

re: #1138 newsjunkie_ky

drive-by,
hey nyc redneck. glad you went, wish i could have been there with you.
anyone seen yma lately?
what is going on with realwest?

oh i wish you could have been here too. i also wish it would not have been out doors at night. i don’t think i got any photos from across the street.
don’t know where yma is. i think {real} had a medical test he is waiting on.
i hope they are both doing well.

1171 Pietr  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:06:26pm

re: #1169 Van Helsing

This A10 is class warfare.

Seems I recall a “Wonder Warthog” nickname, but I am a little older than it is……….:>))

1172 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:07:20pm

re: #1135 Dark_Falcon

I hate that song. I’d like to see movie that depicted pirates as the murderous scum they are, a movie where to hero is the brave Navy captain who tracks the pirates down and crushes. For me, the mass hanging is the proper ending of a pirate movie, as the gallows is the proper final fate of pirates.

It made for great fantasy to the masses just like all the gangster movies. Though Bonnie and Clyde did get theirs in the end, too bad Hollywood does its best to draw sympathy for nefarious characters. (Warning Brutal) I liked Master and Commander for its closer depiction of world events of the day and life aboard a ship in the days of sail.

1173 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:07:47pm

re: #1157 NY Nana

/Even though I was at the original Boston Tea Party, I’m never too old to learn! But I thought all the guys at NBC didn’t have one set of balls between them.

wasn’t Helen with NBC back then ?

1174 capitalist piglet  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:07:54pm

re: #1166 MPH

I think the most entertaining outcome of the tea parties is reading the reaction from those who are dismissive (including the media) of those who desire a less intrusive government apparatus. Seeing someone try and defend runaway spending, cap and trade taxes, and the lot can be very funny.

A guest on Neil Cavuto’s program the other day had a circular argument going that made my head spin. She was critical of this movement for protesting something that hadn’t happened yet, and subsequently said it would do no good to protest because it’s already too late.

If you could reach through a split-screen and punch someone in the face, I honestly think Cavuto might have done it.

1175 Desert Dog  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:08:06pm

re: #1150 Killgore Trout

Ok, time to watch lost.
/Tea party ackbar!
//Ron Paul uber alles

Killgore, putting the cur in curmudgeon since 2005!

1176 JollyFatMan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:08:10pm

I think it’s time for bed, but just more think.

Until a kook opens his mouth or wears/carries something that identifies him as such, the kook is going to look just like everybody else. I mean Kooks don’t have a big fat “K” tattooed on their forehead.

If a Kook does show up and minds their own business, just listens, then most folks will never know. I for one don’t keep a nutjob picture database. Some folks here do know these people and that’s great. Sharing this info is great too.

For one, I didn’t know signs that state “Abolish the Fed” are the tip off that a potential Paulian nut job is on the other end of the stick until I read a comment about it here. I did see 2-3 of these signs at the Colorado Springs event. Were they Paulians? Or just people that happen to agree that the Fed is something that bears scrutiny?

Unfortunately, as I said before, staying away because they might show up doesn’t solve anything. Doing something about it when they are identified is the practical solution.

JFM

1177 itellu3times  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:08:43pm

re: #1171 Pietr

Seems I recall a “Wonder Warthog” nickname, but I am a little older than it is……….:>))

and a zap comics reader?

1178 Sheepdogess  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:10:04pm

re: #1164 pink freud

Excellent article. If I could give you 10 updings, I would.

Everyone read this!

1179 Van Helsing  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:11:00pm

re: #1177 itellu3times

and a zap comics reader?

I for one am not going to be drawn into another comix thread.

1180 Pietr  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:11:12pm

re: #1177 itellu3times

and a zap comics reader?

Not sure-does Superman 1 one count? Oh, I replied to you several days ago-don’t remeber the thread-not sure if you ever saw it. But, I am a Libra………….:>))

1181 Bobblehead  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:11:35pm

re: #1164 pink freud

VDH hits another one outof the park:

President of the World
The globe is hearing a deeply pessimistic view of what America was and is.

The bloom is off the rose..

1182 Van Helsing  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:13:37pm

re: #1164 pink freud

VDH hits another one outof the park:

President of the World
The globe is hearing a deeply pessimistic view of what America was and is.

VDH at his best. Of course, he has great material to work with.

1183 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:13:50pm

re: #1139 Parker in US

Oh surly you jest it hasn’t even been close to that.

Always in good jest. Though it would be funny to see Charles kick a troll, moby, sleeper, rude asshole, etc. into a deep pit of death. Though screaming “This is Little Green FOOTBALLS!” just doesn’t have the same ring. Close though, very close.

Looks for the pit. Looks over both shoulders.

1184 NY Nana  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:14:02pm

re: #1159 pink freud

I am soooo glad that my nearly 9-year old granddaughter didn’t see that one! I am originally from Boston, and when she was a few years younger, and learning about Thanksgiving in school, she asked me if I had ever been to Plymouth Rock, and I told her that I came over with the Pilgrims, on the Mayflower, and stood on it….so help me, the next day her teacher emailed my daughter in law to tell her that granddaughter told her class all about it!

I had a lot of ‘splainin’ to do! Now we tease each other every Thanksgiving.

Lesson I learned? Never joke with a 6-year old, with much more than a knock-knock joke. They tend to take you at your word!

1185 NY Nana  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:15:47pm

re: #1168 CyanSnowHawk

You mean, they have teabag envy?

ROTFL! I just knew there had to be a name for it!

1186 lightspeed  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:18:22pm

re: #1124 Killgore Trout

White Supremacists and Paulians are showing up because they feel welcomed. They aren’t denounced or made to feel uncomfortable. blockquote>

Most people attending these tea parties wouldn’t be able to identify a White Supremacist or Paulian. I certainly didn’t see any at the tea party I attended. I noticed the Alex Jones people only because they were holding a banner and I knew what Infowars.com was. The point is, I am sure there were secret Paulians and White Supremacists at the rally, but they weren’t advertising the fact. If a speaker had gotten up and denounced the Paulians and White Supremacists for trying to co-opt the movement, people would have looked at them like they were crazy because they just weren’t there in any considerable force, at least not openly. They are NOT having much of an influence, much less driving the protests, much as they would like to think.

There’s now way the neo-Nazis at stormfront should feel comfortable attending Tea parties.

What then should be done to address maybe 2% of those attending the protests? Make up a lot of “Nazi go home” and “Hitler was a douche” signs? If they are obnoxious, slap ‘em down, but otherwise ignore them and don’t give them the attention they crave. These same neo-Nazis would probably feel comfortable at a screening of “Schindler’s List” (for different reasons than you or I would). Does that mean we shouldn’t see the movie? Of course not. The tea parties are not about the extremists, losers, and nutcases. They are trying to attach themselves to it to work their ideology into the mainstream. The only thing about the tea parties that makes these fringe groups “comfortable” is the fact that most people don’t even know that they are there.

1187 realwest  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:18:32pm

re: #943 Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thank you for that comment. And to all of you who said things in my support or dinged up FBV’s post: thank you.
My test results are SUPPOSED to be in sometime tomorrow morning. When they’ve been bad in the past (and candidly they have been getting worse over the past 15 months) I’ve had to wait until late afternoon before my oncologist would call me personally (a rare thing down here) to tell me the news. This time I told them I want the news, NO MATTER WHAT IT IS, as soon as they get the results.
And I’ll deal with whatever the results are.
But I am truly humbled by the caring that many of y’all have shown me and thank Fat Bastard Vegetarian, again, for putting up that comment.
And all prayers or expressions of “good luck” or whatever are gratefully appreciated.
Thank all of you who cared enough to support FBV.

1188 mattm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:20:10pm

re: #1010 Parker in US

I used to live in Springfield do they still put wheel locks on cars in the neighborhood on the west side of town. when I lived there it was like a death sentence to your car, first day the other 3 tires gone ( the ones without the boot) next day doors interior gone, next day anything that could be removed from the car was gone, all cuz your dumb ass didn’t pay a parking ticket….LOL

I don’t live in Springfield. This was the nearest protest I could attend due to time constraints. Though I have never seen a car with a boot when I went to school at Spfld. Tech. community College at the old Armory.

1189 Pietr  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:22:14pm

re: #1187 realwest

They cared enough to support you, Amigo…..FBV was a very caring messenger. Sleep well tonight, let your cares flow away-you are loved by many here, just for being you……..

1190 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:22:30pm

re: #1187 realwest

Realwest, stay strong man.

1191 Parker in US  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:23:22pm

re: #1154 Silvergirl

I take it no American flags left in the trash either. :-)

In the party I attended it wouldn’t have been good for you to be seen dumping the flag in a dumpster you would have probably followed it in short order.

1192 NY Nana  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:23:53pm

re: #1173 SasquatchOnSteroids

wasn’t Helen with NBC back then ?

AAARGHHHHHHHHHHH!

1193 Wm T Sherman  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:23:57pm

Ron Paul is a funny little man. He has nothing to do with the present phenomenon. This thing is grass roots, for real.

1194 realwest  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:25:20pm

re: #1189 Pietr
Thanks Pietr! It’s a little strange to see folks talking about me and saying such nice things, too!
:)

1195 quickjustice  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:25:51pm

Just got back from the NYC Tea Party Protest in City Hall Park, Manhattan. NYPD estimates the crowd at 12,500. I counted about twenty Paulians milling around, handing out their literature. The crowd wasn’t buying much of it.

1196 realwest  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:26:35pm

re: #1190 Idle Drifter
Thanks Idle Drifter - it’s sometimes difficult to stay strong, but I keep fighting it cause I don’t know anyother way to be.
Thanks again.

1197 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:26:38pm

re: #1192 NY Nana

AAARGHHHHHHHHHHH!

MY EYES!

1198 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:27:40pm

re: #1187 realwest

Best of luck, Bob. Stinky and I are pulling for you over here.

1199 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:28:01pm

Perhaps it’s just me, but I really hate the sound of a crowd chanting, “U-S-A!, U-S-A!, U-S-A!, U-S-A!, U-S-A!”.

Sounds goonish to me.

1200 Parker in US  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:30:21pm

Fair Tax Is bullshit don’t buy into it for one second it will result in a 50% tax on everything you buy DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

1201 realwest  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:31:09pm

re: #1193 Wm T Sherman
Well, I said this morning that it would be difficult for many to judge how successful (i.e., how many folks were at Tea Parties) because there were so many Tea Parties spread out around the nation - 32 in different places here in North Carolina alone.
But I also said that I though these Tea Parties could become fairly powerful next year, after April 15 2010 (and preferably on a weekend when most folks who’d support a Tea Party could attend) when people realize just how bad their taxes are gonna be.
I think today was, perhaps, the start of a true grassroots movement against HUGE government with HIGH taxes.
I reckon we’ll see.

1202 realwest  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:32:12pm

re: #1198 Charles Hey, thanks a lot Charles (and Stinky) I truly appreciate it.

1203 quickjustice  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:32:17pm

re: #1199 Ringo the Gringo

If chanting “U-S-A” were our only problem, we’d be in good shape. The NYC rally was remarkable for its size (this is a Left Democrat town), and for the general good nature of the crowd.

1204 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:34:41pm

re: #1176 JollyFatMan

For one, I didn’t know signs that state “Abolish the Fed” are the tip off that a potential Paulian nut job is on the other end of the stick until I read a comment about it here. I did see 2-3 of these signs at the Colorado Springs event. Were they Paulians? Or just people that happen to agree that the Fed is something that bears scrutiny?

Anyone who thinks the Federal Reserve should be abolished is a flat-out kook.

1205 realwest  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:35:13pm

re: #1199 Ringo the Gringo
Hey Ringo - unless it’s at an international sporting event - like the Olympics - I kinda agree with you.
And I sometimes wonder about the folks who wear red, white and blue, have a flag pin in thier lapel or wherever and chant that.
I’m very proud and grateful to be an American and don’t really understand the NEED of some folks to do all that.

1206 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:36:13pm

re: #928 ArmyWife

Ron Paul is attempting to fill it - who can blame him? Again, someone (anyone!) who isn’t a goof should begin to organize this - don’t we have community organizers SOMEWHERE? Ok, fine. I’ll settle for a conservative who doesn’t think alienating the Nazi vote is a bad thing. That person exists. Fred Thompson, WHERE ARE YOU?

On the radio, putting people to sleep. I was one of the staunchest Fred supporters you could find, but the total lack of enthusiasm the man showed just destroyed mine.

1207 realwest  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:38:20pm

re: #1204 Charles
Hey Charles - don’t be too hasty here; I mean if one Federal Reserve Bank gave you all it’s deposits and another gave ME all of it’s deposits, well we might just feel a little differently! LOL!
But otherwise you’re right - abolishing the Federal Reserve is one of those “quick fixes” that just won’t work.

1208 NY Nana  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:40:50pm

re: #1197 Idle Drifter

MY EYES!

/Sorry to be so late in replying. I had to use an eye wash after seeing it.

1209 NY Nana  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:44:01pm

re: #1206 Mars Needs Neocons

And I was actually for Huckabee, but the more I saw and heard? Fuhgetaboutit. Now he has joined that nut jobs that are now on Fox, sadly. I guess he fits right in.

1210 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:44:05pm
over-sized plastic cold-faced king


John Kerry crossed with Obama

1211 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:44:47pm

re: #1209 NY Nana

And I was actually for Huckabee, but the more I saw and heard? Fuhgetaboutit. Now he has joined that nut jobs that are now on Fox, sadly. I guess he fits right in.

Huckabee scared the crap out of me from day one. The man just seemed wrong.

1212 NY Nana  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:48:53pm

re: #1211 Mars Needs Neocons

Huckabee scared the crap out of me from day one. The man just seemed wrong.

It took me a bit longer, but I am so glad that I saw through him in time. He is an opportunist, IMHO.

1213 ellcon  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 9:57:13pm

re: #1204 Charles

Anyone who thinks the Federal Reserve should be abolished is a flat-out kook.

Why?

1214 SixDegrees  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:02:57pm

Two Paulians discussing politics:

Youtube Video

1215 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:18:31pm

Think anything you want. But having a great, great, etc, grand-pa killed during the Revolutionary War at Kings Mountain (at least he had a son before he was killed or I would not be here), no asshole is going to mess up this country without a fight. I hope there is enough people here with the same attitude There is a reason this country has become as great and as powerfully as it has become in so short of time. I have met many people from all across the world, and anyone of them with 1/2 a brain would move here if they could.

1216 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:23:27pm

re: #1213 ellcon

Why?

Ron Paul!

1217 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:27:49pm
1218 Athos  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:38:26pm

re: #1213 ellcon

Why?

Ever study history - in particular US economic history? Something besides the caca that comes from Laup Nor or the von Mises Institute (Lew Rockwell) - which is another connection between these 2 kooks?

1219 Sea Salt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:50:51pm

Wow! Comment threads over 1000 are bad for your health. Do I feel enlightened or like I’ve learned something reading this thread? No. Premise: Ron Paul, because some of his followers have dodgy websites, sucks. Lets now have 1000+ plus comments to agree with that.

Have to stop reading these things.

As Charles would say: Let the meltdown begin.

1220 Athos  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 11:55:41pm

re: #1219 Sea Salt

Wow! Comment threads over 1000 are bad for your health. Do I feel enlightened or like I’ve learned something reading this thread? No. Premise: Ron Paul, because some of his followers have dodgy websites, sucks. Lets now have 1000+ plus comments to agree with that.

Have to stop reading these things.

As Charles would say: Let the meltdown begin.

Perhaps it would be better if you read the thread as opposed to lead with your bias…the correct premise is, Ron Paul, because he is a kook, attacts kooks, and unless we want to be called kooks by association with the Paulians, we should keep them on the outer fringe where they belong - along with Alex Jones, Lew Rockwell, etc.

1221 Sea Salt  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:15:31am

#1220 Athos

Perhaps it would be better if you read the thread as opposed to lead with your bias…the correct premise is, Ron Paul, because he is a kook, attracts kooks, and unless we want to be called kooks by association with the Paulians, we should keep them on the outer fringe where they belong - along with Alex Jones, Lew Rockwell, etc.

Yeah, I got that. It’s just that comment threads that go 1220, on one point, with no real argument, are headache inducing. You could read a chapter of a great book in the time it takes to cover this thread. And it’s not like it’s a new topic here, so I doubt any comments really blew anybody away.

1222 hiddenlizard  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:22:52am

re: #983 TheAntichrist

nice name ;)

1223 Athens Runaway  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 12:53:55am

I would give my report for the Columbus, OH Tea Party, but I’m not in the mood for a banhammering. Let’s just saying that I made a conscious effort to look out for people to shout down, and I counted about 2-5 Paultards, who the crowd took care of quite handly. Out of an estimated 3000 in attendence.


Does this mean the whole event, including the state treasurer, several Republican state candidates and current politicians, as well as several prominent Ohio state political bloggers and MSM personalities are all tainted with the Paultard stench? That’s for you to decide. Overall, the crowd was well-behaved and craziness-free. Whatever

1224 ryannon  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 3:19:40am

re: #207 Timbre

The first few responses are unnerving, in my opinion.

Yep.

Other than that, and not trying to score points with the Boss here, when Charles says he smells something bad, I tend to pay attention. He’s proved himself to be way ahead of the curve - and often as not, takes heat for being so.

As for the majority of Lizards who feel that the Tea Parties are simply manifestations by ordinary, good American citizens like yourselves, you have to remember that the Lizard Nation - and particularly those who post here, is an exception to the rule: you are generally more focused, more literate, more well-read and more articulate than much of the population. Do you doubt this? Check out other political and/or ideological blogs: they’ll make you understand and appreciate the honesty, uncompromising principles and high standards of LGF and its posters, pronto.

What I’m saying here is that even if most of you can’t imagine (and have no desire) to become unwitting useful idiots for the Paulians, other folks either don’t really have the same powers of analysis and discernment as you do - or once they do become aware of the Paulians more unsavory agendas and ramifications - would hop right on the bus anyway

It could happen so fast as to make your head spin, and I think that that’s one of the monsters Charles sees lurking in the shadows of the current wave of Tea Parties.

1225 POTUS  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 4:55:53am

I went to a tea party yesterday and in the couple thousand people I do remember seeing a Ron Paul T-Shirt or two. And today, I woke up this morning with a little bump growing under my skin. I didn’t think much about it much until reading this thread…

1226 cyclosarin  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 5:19:23am

The only problem with the Federal Reserve is it targets economic activity rather than inflation.

1227 FrogMarch  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 5:39:35am

I think it’s clear that the current tea party movement was started by Rick Santelli and not Ron Paul.
Btw - Why have open threads where posters can report on their tea party experiences? Was it just for the gotcha?

1228 Xenophile97  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 6:40:33am

I was at the Texas capitol yesterday for the tea party. The crowd estimate was over 1,000.

I saw ONE Paulian in the crowd - being ignored.

1229 ryannon  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 6:51:54am

re: #354 Summer

I was invited by several friends to go to the Tea Party, but I told them flat out no:

1) I refuse to be marching with groups that have a chance of having been co-opted by racists.

2) I don’t really know what their specific message is. Anti-Taxes? Everyone is “anti-taxes”. What exactly are their plans to help save the economy? Do they have one? If they don’t agree with the Obama plan, what is theirs? Or is this all just populist reactionary staging?

I’m pretty sure it’s just stupid staging.

3) This isn’t the 60’s anymore. Protests don’t change a darn thing. It worked in the 60’s because it was more shocking in the 60’s - we were a different and overall much more conservative society. Protests are a dime a dozen these days. Perhaps I’m being acerbic and all, but times have changed and protests aren’t worth a damn. Not that I even remember anything close to the 60’s and 70’s, or half of the 80’s, but I’m pretty sure I’m right.

4) It’s a really stupid idea. The original Tea Party in Boston was a valid form of expression against taxes without representation. People are fucking lazy today. They don’t really know what the hell it was like back then. They don’t have the imagination to understand what it really is like when the King’s redcoats walked up to your door, put a bayonet in your face, and told you to give up your money or your life. And if you said no, you might just be hauled away to get hanged in public.

I may not like the tax policies in this country, but we pay far, far, less than anyone does in Europe. And we do have representation. We may not like the solutions our representatives come up with in government, but it doesn’t mean we can just do better on our own. People are fucking stupid about this. Everyone thinks they can do a better job. Everyone thinks they’re some sort of fucking economic genius. I’m guessing everyone figured out the entire economic collapse years before it happened and knows exactly what they would have done if they had been in charge when Lehman Brothers was about to go belly up.

I’m sorry, but I didn’t see any economic geniuses spouting off anywhere in the world back in September and October 2008, and neither did anyone else. People who actually know what the hell they are talking about were scared shitless and still are these days. They know there’s no simple solution. They know we all have to pay for everyone’s mistakes - Democrats, Republicans, Independents, and wacko fucks who think that the aliens have taken over.

Tea Parties don’t do anything but show me the rampant egotism of stupid people gathering together who think they have the solution for a serious problem which, if they were truly honest about it, they know fuck all about.


Even if I’m the only one still reading this thread, this one is the winner in its category.

Couldn’t have said it better.

1230 Shanimal1918  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 6:57:02am

re: #92 Charles

re: #92 Charles

You don’t. That’s the point.

But far too many people seem to just want to pretend this is not a problem, even when the guy who’s out there talking to the media, as the organizer of dozens of these groups, is a Paulian who publishes articles at New World Order websites.

Lets just ignore that, though. What could go wrong?

The Media want the Tea Parties to look as bad as possible, which is why they are pushing the debunked myth that a Paulian controls all Tea Parties. Your loyal lizards that actually went to the parties have lined up in a long line to report that Paulians played no part in the parties that we experienced first hand. And you continue to ignore us, and defer to the crap sandwich that the slanted media is feeding you for what reason?

1231 Yashmak  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 7:08:33am
I may not like the tax policies in this country, but we pay far, far, less than anyone does in Europe. And we do have representation.

I’m sorry, but this argument is like saying. . yeah, our house is on fire, but it’s ok because the one across the street is burning worse.

1232 ryannon  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 7:27:48am

re: #465 Iron Fist

So you would have sat out the ’60s Civil Rights marches because of the Black Panthers and Nation of Islam (or at least Farrakhan and Malcolm X)? The way to defeat the racists isn’t to ceed to them the public stage just because they showed up to try and claim it.

To my knowledge (and I was there) the civil rights movement was very distinct: think MLK, John Lewis and so on. Even guys who would later go bad were basically ok in the early-to-mid sixties.

It’s great being the kind of a dead thread: LAST!

1233 ryannon  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 7:29:57am

king

PIMF

1234 Spartacus50  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 7:38:56am

It is disgusting to me how many well-intentioned people have been roped into this Paulian Tea Party. It was indeed his idea all along as evidenced by his “money bombs” before the election. There must have been a concerted effort on behalf of the Paulians to not have Ron Paul signs during the rallies so as not to alienate people or cast the rally in an extremist light.

1235 ryannon  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 8:13:59am

re: #559 Edouard

Does not protesting restrict spending?

I have to put in my 2 cents.

Paulbots and Stormfronters, I can’t stand em.

Their numbers are swamped, absolutely swamped, by ordinary Americans who usually don’t have time for politics. Lots and lots of ordinarily non-political people are out there. They are fed up.

No one is listening to them. They call their congresspeople or write them. Trillion dollar spending bills are passed anyway.

Some of these people are at their wits end, trying to figure out how to get someone to read their lips. At last.

Don’t pooh-pooh these people. They are pleading and no one has been listening. Where do they go? What do they do? The Republicans aren’t doing the job because, Republicans have been spending like drunken sailors right alongside Democrats.

Sharmuta, you know something like these protests had to happen. These people aren’t going to Republican organizing meetings because Republicans have let them down. And they are not Paulbots and they are not Stormfronters. They are people without a party who do not know where to turn.

That’s where all this passion — and it is a hell of a lot of passion — is coming from. The party that correctly knows how to harness that passion — and shrinks government, and lowers taxes — actually does those things rather than just giving lip-service to it — will get these people in their column.


Or pays my mortgage!

Now where’s my unicorn?

1236 pupdawg  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 8:25:23am

re: #1 Jetpilot1101

Dear Mr. Paul,

Please, pretty please with sugar on top STFU and STFD.

v/r

An American

…and pleeeeez someone, anyone taz him, bro!

1237 smokefire  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 9:50:43am

Ron Paul taking credit for the Tea Party’s is like the Taliban taking credit for Hurricane Katrina.

1238 Shanimal1918  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 11:12:31am

Too bad some of you are going to miss out on a grass roots movement because you are afraid of Ron Paul kooks. WSJ gets it.

The tea-party protest movement is organizing itself, on its own behalf. Some existing organizations, like Newt Gingrich’s American Solutions and FreedomWorks, have gotten involved. But they’re involved as followers and facilitators, not leaders. The leaders are appearing on their own, and reaching out to others through blogs, Facebook, chat boards and alternative media.


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