Video: DeNuke Iran
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The petition mentioned in this video is here: DeNukeIran Declaration.
882 comments
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Cognito Mon, May 18, 2009 2:07:12pm |
The world hasn't summoned the nerve to do it. Unfortunately I'm not convinced a petition is going to change that.
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Sharmuta Mon, May 18, 2009 2:07:57pm |
The Iranian regime isn't interested in peace. Full stop.
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Randall Gross Mon, May 18, 2009 2:08:26pm |
Last time I looked, Iran didn't have range to reach Continental US - what changed?
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doppelganglander Mon, May 18, 2009 2:08:36pm |
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Honorary Yooper Mon, May 18, 2009 2:08:49pm |
re: #3 zombie
"Nukered"? "Neukered"? I still can't decide.
Like our current and past presidents say it...
"Nuculared".
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Fenway_Nation Mon, May 18, 2009 2:08:50pm |
Has Ashton Koucher come out with an 'I pledge to de-nuke Iran' video with all of his Hollywood pals yet?
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Honorary Yooper Mon, May 18, 2009 2:09:27pm |
re: #5 Thanos
Last time I looked, Iran didn't have range to reach Continental US - what changed?
What does Russia have for sale?
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Shug Mon, May 18, 2009 2:10:04pm |
Their offer is : We can all convert to Islam
rejected
My offer is:
[deleted]
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Sharmuta Mon, May 18, 2009 2:11:03pm |
Standard music video for Iranian threads:
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 18, 2009 2:11:49pm |
re: #2 Cognito
The world hasn't summoned the nerve to do it. Unfortunately I'm not convinced a petition is going to change that.
"Wetting your pants in a dark suit. Gives you a warm feeling, but nobody notices."
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Randall Gross Mon, May 18, 2009 2:12:47pm |
re: #9 Honorary Yooper
What does Russia have for sale?
It's a stretch claim, if you believe "stated range" (which Iran always exaggerates) and they shot from the farthest NW corner of Iran, they could maybe hit the tip of Maine....
[Link: www.fas.org...]
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HelloDare Mon, May 18, 2009 2:14:25pm |
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Kragar Mon, May 18, 2009 2:14:31pm |
re: #5 Thanos
Last time I looked, Iran didn't have range to reach Continental US - what changed?
Iranian satellite launch prompts fresh concern - 4 February 2009
Just out there for consideration
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SeafoodGumbo Mon, May 18, 2009 2:14:42pm |
Charles,
This is weird. When I first opened the thread, there were five comments posted. I'm not sure if the + and - symbols and other stuff next to it was grayed out then, but I hit "new comments" and noticed that comments from six onward look normal, but the first five still have the stuff in the upper right of the comment box grayed out. No matter how many times I hit "new comments," the first five remain messed up, but the rest are fine.
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albusteve Mon, May 18, 2009 2:15:36pm |
Duke DeNukem would have a plan...cool hair too
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SeafoodGumbo Mon, May 18, 2009 2:15:39pm |
I'm using Ubuntu 9.04 - don't know if that ever reacts poorly with LGF.
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Kragar Mon, May 18, 2009 2:16:28pm |
re: #2 Cognito
The world hasn't summoned the nerve to do it. Unfortunately I'm not convinced a petition is going to change that.
Well, the fact they plan to deliver the petition from 30,000 feet with a several megaton yield might help.
/wishful thinking
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anchors_aweigh Mon, May 18, 2009 2:16:36pm |
whatever it takes?
Really? Then I assume by that he means he would give-up his life to denuke Iran. No? Oh...he means somebody else should do
whatever it takes
to denuke Iran.
For you see, if you are only willing for
somebody else
to do
whatever it takes
then you are full of shit.
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Charles Johnson Mon, May 18, 2009 2:16:48pm |
re: #5 Thanos
Last time I looked, Iran didn't have range to reach Continental US - what changed?
The scary scenario is not that they might be able to do it with a ballistic missile, but the much more likely possibility that they'll hand off a nuclear bomb (or more than one) to a terrorist group who will smuggle it into the US.
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wiffersnapper Mon, May 18, 2009 2:17:22pm |
If you're not outraged with Iran, you haven't been paying attention.
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Desert Dog Mon, May 18, 2009 2:17:23pm |
re: #5 Thanos
Last time I looked, Iran didn't have range to reach Continental US - what changed?
There is an Iranian satellite currently in orbit over the earth. Putting a that up means they have multi-staged missiles and probably CAN hit the USA now. That might have been the purpose of the launch in the first place.
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Randall Gross Mon, May 18, 2009 2:18:05pm |
re: #17 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Iranian satellite launch prompts fresh concern - 4 February 2009
Just out there for consideration
Yes but I just posted a link to their supposed "longest range Missile" above, like I said it's a stretch even with that, they launched the satellite with a Shahab II or III iirc.
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Sharmuta Mon, May 18, 2009 2:18:24pm |
People like 0bama, other democrats, and isolationists on the right think we can deal with these regimes by pulling back, by being nice to enemies, by abandoning our allies, and weakening our defense abilities. It is folly.
It is human nature that makes men seek to dominate other men, and war is usually the mechanism. You stop wars by having a strong offense- by making the other party realize what a folly it would be for them to attack as they will get their ass handed to them. You don't need to wield the stick for the stick to be effective. It just needs to be a big stick and be known that it will be used if need be. That's usually enough of a deterrent to thugs.
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Randall Gross Mon, May 18, 2009 2:19:08pm |
re: #25 Charles
The scary scenario is not that they might be able to do it with a ballistic missile, but the much more likely possibility that they'll hand off a nuclear bomb (or more than one) to a terrorist group who will smuggle it into the US.
That I can buy. A snapshot from an oil tanker or other ship from short range is a much more dangerous scenario.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 18, 2009 2:19:25pm |
re: #25 Charles
How does Almonddinnerjacket fly into NY?
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Desert Dog Mon, May 18, 2009 2:19:36pm |
re: #21 albusteve
Duke DeNukem would have a plan...cool hair too
Unless we deliver the strongly worded letter with a set on brass knuckles on the Mullah's kisser, it means nothing. The world will not stop them. Europe, Russia and China are their buddies.....the UN, forget them.....so, basically, it means the USA and Israel. With Obama in now....that means only Israel. So, get ready for a nuclear Iran soon.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 18, 2009 2:20:27pm |
re: #29 Sharmuta
You've noticed that PETA doesn't picket leather at biker bars.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, May 18, 2009 2:20:39pm |
re: #15 Thanos
It's a stretch claim, if you believe "stated range" (which Iran always exaggerates) and they shot from the farthest NW corner of Iran, they could maybe hit the tip of Maine....
[Link: www.fas.org...]
Or they could put a nuke in a container and blow up the port of NY or LA, without leaving a "return address".
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Kragar Mon, May 18, 2009 2:20:47pm |
re: #28 Thanos
Yes but I just posted a link to their supposed "longest range Missile" above, like I said it's a stretch even with that, they launched the satellite with a Shahab II or III iirc.
True, but even the fact they are working on it is dangerous. If someone swears he has a plan to kill you and your whole family, the idea is to stop him early, not wait until he has everything set to see how it works.
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albusteve Mon, May 18, 2009 2:20:54pm |
re: #29 Sharmuta
yes well BO does not believe you and apparently not a student of history either...he intends to 'change' human behavior...he is the One
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Shug Mon, May 18, 2009 2:20:57pm |
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Desert Dog Mon, May 18, 2009 2:21:09pm |
re: #30 Thanos
That I can buy. A snapshot from an oil tanker or other ship from short range is a much more dangerous scenario.
Or, in a shipping container marked "medicine for children" or some such nonsense, floating right into New York Harbor....
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Randall Gross Mon, May 18, 2009 2:21:46pm |
re: #35 Kosh's Shadow
Or they could put a nuke in a container and blow up the port of NY or LA, without leaving a "return address".
Agreed, but I've posted the more likely attack capability above. There's a reason they go out to ships for checks before they hit port now.
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HelloDare Mon, May 18, 2009 2:21:56pm |
re: #5 Thanos
Last time I looked, Iran didn't have range to reach Continental US - what changed?
In the EMP scenarios I've read about, a missile with a nuclear bomb is launch from a ship off the East or West Coast.
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Sharmuta Mon, May 18, 2009 2:22:33pm |
re: #37 albusteve
yes well BO does not believe you and apparently not a student of history either...he intends to 'change' human behavior...he is the One
Yes- there are people who think they can change human nature themselves instead of allowing human nature to improve naturally over time. They're scary folks.
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Randall Gross Mon, May 18, 2009 2:22:40pm |
re: #39 Desert Dog
Or, in a shipping container marked "medicine for children" or some such nonsense, floating right into New York Harbor....
Not very likely. Customs goes out to ships now, they don't wait for them to get to port.
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Kragar Mon, May 18, 2009 2:22:44pm |
re: #39 Desert Dog
Or, in a shipping container marked "medicine for children" or some such nonsense, floating right into New York Harbor....
Iran christens worlds first fully ocean worthy baby milk factory/wedding reception
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brookly red Mon, May 18, 2009 2:22:44pm |
They don't really even need to use a nuke to F'up the world, they just need to have one and wave it around like a drunk with a gun...
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albusteve Mon, May 18, 2009 2:23:00pm |
re: #33 Desert Dog
tough one to predict...we shall see how audacious Israel is...it is down to actions now
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Shug Mon, May 18, 2009 2:23:38pm |
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Honorary Yooper Mon, May 18, 2009 2:23:43pm |
re: #35 Kosh's Shadow
Or they could put a nuke in a container and blow up the port of NY or LA, without leaving a "return address".
Why NY or LA? Our customs sucks at clearing these containers. Maybe 10% actually get checked. They could make it to Chicago before blowing it.
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Randall Gross Mon, May 18, 2009 2:23:50pm |
Meet the new CAFE standard...
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Desert Dog Mon, May 18, 2009 2:24:07pm |
re: #41 HelloDare
In the EMP scenarios I've read about, a missile with a nuclear bomb is launch from a ship off the East or West Coast.
Well, we still have MAD and that is about our only defense. Tracking signatures of isotopes is possible. Every blast will leave a distinctive trail. If they blow up Israel or an American city, they can still kiss their asses good bye. They can hurt us badly, we can erase them from existence. I hope that fact is enough of a deterrent.
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DEZes Mon, May 18, 2009 2:24:21pm |
America has nukes and prays never to have to use them.
Iran wants nukes and prays to use them.
I see a when, not if scenario.
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JustABill Mon, May 18, 2009 2:25:11pm |
Must resist urge to fix thread title... Want to keep LFG account...
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Shug Mon, May 18, 2009 2:25:14pm |
re: #51 DEZes
America has nukes and prays never to have to use them.
Iran wants nukes and prays to use them.
I see a when, not if scenario.
amd mutually assured destruction doesn't work with people expecting virgins
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, May 18, 2009 2:25:29pm |
Eh, the sending of Strongly Worded Letters should best be left to the UN.
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Honorary Yooper Mon, May 18, 2009 2:25:39pm |
re: #49 Thanos
Meet the new CAFE standard...
[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]
The administration caved to Crapifornia.
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albusteve Mon, May 18, 2009 2:25:53pm |
if Israel strikes Iran, will the Mullahs shut down the straights?...and if so will we or a coalition open them? and would that be an act of war?....wooohooo!
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anchors_aweigh Mon, May 18, 2009 2:26:00pm |
re: #35 Kosh's Shadow
Or they could put a nuke in a container and blow up the port of NY or LA, without leaving a "return address".
Why, after going to the trouble of acquiring a nuclear weapon, would a terrorist group give up control (by shipping it commercially)?
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Desert Dog Mon, May 18, 2009 2:26:16pm |
re: #43 Thanos
Not very likely. Customs goes out to ships now, they don't wait for them to get to port.
I am in the shipping business, Thanos. We are very, very far from inspecting every containing coming into US ports. Air shipments are there, but the sheer volume of sea containers makes it cost prohibited. We need better scanners, more money and a definite system to check. Otherwise, we are sitting ducks.
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Desert Dog Mon, May 18, 2009 2:26:50pm |
re: #58 Desert Dog
I am in the shipping business, Thanos. We are very, very far from inspecting every contain
inger coming into US ports. Air shipments are there, but the sheer volume of sea containers makes it cost prohibited. We need better scanners, more money and a definite system to check. Otherwise, we are sitting ducks.
pimf
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Honorary Yooper Mon, May 18, 2009 2:26:57pm |
re: #58 Desert Dog
I am in the shipping business, Thanos. We are very, very far from inspecting every containing coming into US ports. Air shipments are there, but the sheer volume of sea containers makes it cost prohibited. We need better scanners, more money and a definite system to check. Otherwise, we are sitting ducks.
And once they get in, these containers can go damn near anywhere by rail and never be inspected.
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reine.de.tout Mon, May 18, 2009 2:27:54pm |
re: #7 Honorary Yooper
Like our current and past presidents say it...
"Nuculared".
Exactly what I was thinking!
You beat me to it.
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Randall Gross Mon, May 18, 2009 2:28:25pm |
re: #58 Desert Dog
I am in the shipping business, Thanos. We are very, very far from inspecting every containing coming into US ports. Air shipments are there, but the sheer volume of sea containers makes it cost prohibited. We need better scanners, more money and a definite system to check. Otherwise, we are sitting ducks.
There are other things in place as well that are better not to talk about. Much easier to ship launch a missile than get a nuke into an american port, neither is impossible, that's all I am pointing out.
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reine.de.tout Mon, May 18, 2009 2:29:54pm |
re: #18 SeafoodGumbo
Charles,
This is weird. When I first opened the thread, there were five comments posted. I'm not sure if the + and - symbols and other stuff next to it was grayed out then, but I hit "new comments" and noticed that comments from six onward look normal, but the first five still have the stuff in the upper right of the comment box grayed out. No matter how many times I hit "new comments," the first five remain messed up, but the rest are fine.
Refresh the whole page.
It sounds to me like your first five comments showed up before the system registered that you were logged in. When you hit new comments and were logged in, the newer ones are showing up OK.
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Desert Dog Mon, May 18, 2009 2:29:56pm |
re: #60 Honorary Yooper
And once they get in, these containers can go damn near anywhere by rail and never be inspected.
It is hard to conceal a nuclear bomb or a dirty bomb. I know there are sensors all around the busy ports that are looking for the tell-tale traces of a nuclear device. We need to get more of those and FAST. Encasing a bomb in enough lead or other deadening material will make it pass right by a sensor without detection. And, you are right. Once it's cleared, it could go anywhere in the USA on the back of a truck or train.
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DEZes Mon, May 18, 2009 2:30:03pm |
re: #53 Shug
amd mutually assured destruction doesn't work with people expecting virgins
Precisely, when you have an enemy that wants to die, its kinda hard to scare the bastard.
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cgn38navy Mon, May 18, 2009 2:30:05pm |
Who is behind this video and the DeNuke web site? I am interested in signing, but if it was put up by psyco's then......well maybe next time.
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Fenway_Nation Mon, May 18, 2009 2:30:14pm |
re: #41 HelloDare
They may not even need an EMP or other unconventional weapon to truly fuck up a coastal American city. There's a reason the port of Boston restricted LNG tanker traffic.
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Salamantis Mon, May 18, 2009 2:30:59pm |
re: #29 Sharmuta
People like 0bama, other democrats, and isolationists on the right think we can deal with these regimes by pulling back, by being nice to enemies, by abandoning our allies, and weakening our defense abilities. It is folly.
It is human nature that makes men seek to dominate other men, and war is usually the mechanism. You stop wars by having a strong offense- by making the other party realize what a folly it would be for them to attack as they will get their ass handed to them. You don't need to wield the stick for the stick to be effective. It just needs to be a big stick and be known that it will be used if need be. That's usually enough of a deterrent to thugs.
I updinged the sentiment, but I rememer what Khomeini said: he didn't care if Iran burned so long as it advanced the cause of Islam.
And now Ahmedinejad is in power. He was a 'student' leader of the thugs who took over the US Embassy and held our people hostage, and belongs to the Hojetiyyah cult, who believe that a worldwide conflagation would facilitate the devoutly desired Return of their Twelfth Iman Mahdi (the Shia version of the Second Coming). They are so radical that even Khomeini banned them while he lived.
Nuclear deterrence doesn't work when Armageddon is an incentive.
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Desert Dog Mon, May 18, 2009 2:31:20pm |
re: #62 Thanos
There are other things in place as well that are better not to talk about. Much easier to ship launch a missile than get a nuke into an american port, neither is impossible, that's all I am pointing out.
I know more than most because of the nature of my business. I am a trainer for TSA certification for air freight. I have met some of the ocean guys and they all tell me we need to do more. I hope we do.
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cgn38navy Mon, May 18, 2009 2:32:06pm |
re: #64 Desert Dog
actually it's a little harder to conceal nuke's than that. They are neutron emitters. It is harder to shield.
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Shug Mon, May 18, 2009 2:32:43pm |
re: #65 DEZes
Precisely, when you have an enemy that wants to die, its kinda hard to scare the bastard.
General Pershing had the right idea about how to deal with fanatics
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wrenchwench Mon, May 18, 2009 2:32:59pm |
re: #70 Salamantis
They are so radical that even Khomeini banned them while he lived.
Khomeini was a moderate?
/
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quickjustice Mon, May 18, 2009 2:33:31pm |
Jimmy Carter tried the "tough" diplomatic approach after the Iranian rebels stormed our embassy in 1979, and seized our diplomats as hostages. Nothing about that regime has changed since then. What has changed is the Democratic Party, the President, and the Secretary of State. If "tough" didn't work, maybe appeasement will.
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LGoPs Mon, May 18, 2009 2:33:33pm |
re: #51 DEZes
America has nukes and prays never to have to use them.
Iran wants nukes and prays to use them.
I see a when, not if scenario.
We faced an enemy like this once before. Japanese kamikazes - sworn to kill themselves in the process of killing us. And we nuked them to end it.
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unrealizedviewpoint Mon, May 18, 2009 2:33:47pm |
re: #66 cgn38navy
Who is behind this video and the DeNuke web site? I am interested in signing, but if it was put up by psyco's then......well maybe next time.
Psycho's? Does the gentlemen in the video sound like a psycho to you? Wow!
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Fenway_Nation Mon, May 18, 2009 2:33:50pm |
re: #56 albusteve
if Israel strikes Iran, will the Mullahs shut down the straights?...and if so will we or a coalition open them? and would that be an act of war?....wooohooo!
I don't see the other Gulf states (Qatar, UAE, Bahrain, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia) idly sitting by while their shipping lifeline's been cut off.
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albusteve Mon, May 18, 2009 2:33:52pm |
re: #68 buzzsawmonkey
Ten devices. Containerized freight. Spotty inspection. Half get through.
Containers loaded onto trucks, shipped...wherever.
Cell phone detonation.
Pop Goes the Weasel for a ringtone
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Salamantis Mon, May 18, 2009 2:34:02pm |
re: #74 wrenchwench
Khomeini was a moderate?
/
Compared to the Hojetiyyists - yes.
And that thought should chill our very marrows.
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Desert Dog Mon, May 18, 2009 2:34:11pm |
re: #68 buzzsawmonkey
Ten devices. Containerized freight. Spotty inspection. Half get through.
Containers loaded onto trucks, shipped...wherever.
Cell phone detonation.
Well, if they find one, this country will shut down. No planes, no trains, no trucks, maybe even cars. I would guess martial law would be put down fast. If they found one, more may have gotten by.
Welcome to the future, a bunch of suicidal religious kooks that hate our guts are about to get nuclear bombs.
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Randall Gross Mon, May 18, 2009 2:34:46pm |
re: #71 Desert Dog
I know more than most because of the nature of my business. I am a trainer for TSA certification for air freight. I have met some of the ocean guys and they all tell me we need to do more. I hope we do.
They are right, we need to do more.
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anchors_aweigh Mon, May 18, 2009 2:34:51pm |
The "nuke in a box" scenario has been discounted by professionals for a long time. Every now and then it gets dredged-up for political purposes but it's highly unlikely.
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cgn38navy Mon, May 18, 2009 2:35:19pm |
re: #77 unrealizedviewpoint
He sounds very reasonable. I still won't sign until I know who is behind it. Wow back at ya.
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Miss Molly Mon, May 18, 2009 2:35:33pm |
As much as I wish I don't think Iran will let anything or anybody get in their way of having nuclear bombs.
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Honorary Yooper Mon, May 18, 2009 2:35:47pm |
re: #80 Salamantis
Compared to the Hojetiyyists - yes.
And that thought should chill our very marrows.
Agreed. The rejects from the nut farm are now in charge in Iran.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 18, 2009 2:35:51pm |
re: #25 Charles
The scary scenario is not that they might be able to do it with a ballistic missile, but the much more likely possibility that they'll hand off a nuclear bomb (or more than one) to a terrorist group who will smuggle it into the US.
And even if the device is not an optimal one and goes off with a fizzle instead, the spread of fallout would be long term nightmare.
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albusteve Mon, May 18, 2009 2:36:08pm |
re: #78 Fenway_Nation
I don't see the other Gulf states (Qatar, UAE, Bahrain, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia) idly sitting by while their shipping lifeline's been cut off.
what could they do about it?....less than a few other countries...I can see Iran lashing out at many countries at once an that would be the way to do it imo
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Desert Dog Mon, May 18, 2009 2:36:22pm |
re: #72 cgn38navy
actually it's a little harder to conceal nuke's than that. They are neutron emitters. It is harder to shield.
Yes, hard, but not impossible.....I would guess a ship would not even make it to port before something would blow.
Shooting a missile at the USA or Israel would leave an unmistakable return address. Sneaking one in seems more like the Iranians speed.....
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alegrias Mon, May 18, 2009 2:36:24pm |
Iran's been murdering Americans with iranian-made IEDs for some time.
Why aren't democrats outraged with Iran over this torture of American soldiers?
Iran's been murdering Israelis through its Hezbollah ally for decades.
Torture is what Iran does, yet Democrats want to cozy up to Torturing Terrorist Tehran.
Pelosi's politics ain't my cup of tea, Dhimmi democrats.
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DEZes Mon, May 18, 2009 2:36:51pm |
re: #76 LGoPs
We faced an enemy like this once before. Japanese kamikazes - sworn to kill themselves in the process of killing us. And we nuked them to end it.
True, but the enemy left us little choice.
This one may not either.
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alegrias Mon, May 18, 2009 2:37:36pm |
re: #75 quickjustice
Jimmy Carter tried the "tough" diplomatic approach after the Iranian rebels stormed our embassy in 1979, and seized our diplomats as hostages. Nothing about that regime has changed since then. What has changed is the Democratic Party, the President, and the Secretary of State. If "tough" didn't work, maybe appeasement will.
* * * *
Which wet noodle did DJhimmy Carter try on Iran?
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brookly red Mon, May 18, 2009 2:38:16pm |
re: #91 DEZes
True, but the enemy left us little choice.
This one may not either.
an ounce of prevention is worth a megaton of cure...
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unrealizedviewpoint Mon, May 18, 2009 2:38:37pm |
re: #84 cgn38navy
He sounds very reasonable. I still won't sign until I know who is behind it. Wow back at ya.
Your suggestion he place contact info on his site is a good suggestion, but saying he may be a psycho (as you did) earned you your Wow.
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Miss Molly Mon, May 18, 2009 2:38:44pm |
I can't see Iran doing much of anything but thumbing their nose at Obama howevr much he talks to them.
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Charles Johnson Mon, May 18, 2009 2:38:57pm |
re: #66 cgn38navy
Who is behind this video and the DeNuke web site? I am interested in signing, but if it was put up by psyco's then......well maybe next time.
No, it's not a psycho. The person you see in the video is known to me personally.
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Kragar Mon, May 18, 2009 2:39:28pm |
re: #76 LGoPs
We faced an enemy like this once before. Japanese kamikazes - sworn to kill themselves in the process of killing us. And we nuked them to end it.
Well, that was just because Truman was a war criminal. Ask John Stewart.
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albusteve Mon, May 18, 2009 2:39:34pm |
I don't see Iran striking at the US...not for a long time yet even after the have their devices...I think they would venture the proxy route at Israel first
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 18, 2009 2:39:42pm |
re: #83 anchors_aweigh
The "nuke in a box" scenario has been discounted by professionals for a long time. Every now and then it gets dredged-up for political purposes but it's highly unlikely.
I'm not about to trust my life to a bunch of people that at one time said air piracy was just about hijacking hostages for political purposes. They dismissed out of hand the airliner as missile scenario.
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SeafoodGumbo Mon, May 18, 2009 2:39:43pm |
re: #63 reine.de.tout
Refresh the whole page.
It sounds to me like your first five comments showed up before the system registered that you were logged in. When you hit new comments and were logged in, the newer ones are showing up OK.
Thanks. I did and it made everything just right. I didn't know if Charles might want to know about that possible quirk. :)
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Fenway_Nation Mon, May 18, 2009 2:39:49pm |
re: #88 albusteve
Saudi Arabia has a pretty sizable military....the others not so much, but would probably view US forces operating out of their territory as much more preferable to the Straits of Hormuz being choked off by the Iranians.
But all that would be a moot point if Iran was willing to use their nukes on other Muslim countries....
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Charles Johnson Mon, May 18, 2009 2:39:53pm |
re: #84 cgn38navy
He sounds very reasonable. I still won't sign until I know who is behind it. Wow back at ya.
Here's his bio:
[Link: www.maxfilmsonline.com...]
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Desert Dog Mon, May 18, 2009 2:40:45pm |
re: #95 Miss Molly
I can't see Iran doing much of anything but thumbing their nose at Obama howevr much he talks to them.
They feared Bush, they laugh at Obama.
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DEZes Mon, May 18, 2009 2:40:55pm |
re: #96 Charles
No, it's not a psycho. The person you see in the video is known to me personally.
Good enough, consider my name added to the list.
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albusteve Mon, May 18, 2009 2:40:58pm |
re: #90 alegrias
those are freedom fighters...big difference....they have license
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Miss Molly Mon, May 18, 2009 2:42:04pm |
Desert Dog --- Good point! I don't think anyone is afraid of Obama or will be afraid of Obama.
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LGoPs Mon, May 18, 2009 2:42:12pm |
re: #29 Sharmuta
People like 0bama, other democrats, and isolationists on the right think we can deal with these regimes by pulling back, by being nice to enemies, by abandoning our allies, and weakening our defense abilities. It is folly.
It is human nature that makes men seek to dominate other men, and war is usually the mechanism. You stop wars by having a strong offense- by making the other party realize what a folly it would be for them to attack as they will get their ass handed to them. You don't need to wield the stick for the stick to be effective. It just needs to be a big stick and be known that it will be used if need be. That's usually enough of a deterrent to thugs.
That is precisely what Ronald reagan did. And the left constantly accused him of being a warmonger. the irony is that we were safer under his policies than we are under soft, touchy-feely Democrat policies. The seeds for 9-11 were planted and nurtured under Clinton as a case in point.
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Fenway_Nation Mon, May 18, 2009 2:42:37pm |
re: #103 Desert Dog
They feared Bush, they laugh at Obama.
RINO or not, they would've feared McCain, too.
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Honorary Yooper Mon, May 18, 2009 2:42:40pm |
re: #106 buzzsawmonkey
Quite frankly, fallout is not that big a deal. Greater risk of cancers, yes--but the Japanese managed to live through it before we even really knew about it.
Think of 9/11 x 100, if in one city; multiply that by the number of cities.
It's the fear factor, not the fallout that's the issue. People would be scared shitless for weeks afterward. Months.
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unrealizedviewpoint Mon, May 18, 2009 2:43:32pm |
re: #85 Miss Molly
As much as I wish I don't think Iran will let anything or anybody get in their way of having nuclear bombs.
The job of shutting them down is the USA's and Israels. I'm confident this matter will not be left up to the mullahs.
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Honorary Yooper Mon, May 18, 2009 2:43:56pm |
re: #109 Fenway_Nation
RINO or not, they would've feared McCain, too.
To use Mandy's now famous quote...
"I HOPE ALL OF YOU WHO THOUGHT MCCAIN WAS NOT CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH ARE FUCKING HAPPY NOW!"
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albusteve Mon, May 18, 2009 2:44:42pm |
re: #110 Honorary Yooper
It's the fear factor, not the fallout that's the issue. People would be scared shitless for weeks afterward. Months.
I'm scared shitless now...BO is gonna get a bunch of people killed, somewhere, sometime...libs and the UN just can't help themselves
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Desert Dog Mon, May 18, 2009 2:44:43pm |
re: #107 Miss Molly
Desert Dog --- Good point! I don't think anyone is afraid of Obama or will be afraid of Obama.
I'm terrified of him
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Killian Bundy Mon, May 18, 2009 2:44:48pm |
/we're leaning forward on the threat
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LGoPs Mon, May 18, 2009 2:44:53pm |
re: #97 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Well, that was just because Truman was a war criminal. Ask John Stewart.
///
Yeah. The noted historian, scholar and asshat John Stewart.
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Sharmuta Mon, May 18, 2009 2:45:00pm |
re: #70 Salamantis
I updinged the sentiment, but I rememer what Khomeini said: he didn't care if Iran burned so long as it advanced the cause of Islam.
And now Ahmedinejad is in power. He was a 'student' leader of the thugs who took over the US Embassy and held our people hostage, and belongs to the Hojetiyyah cult, who believe that a worldwide conflagation would facilitate the devoutly desired Return of their Twelfth Iman Mahdi (the Shia version of the Second Coming). They are so radical that even Khomeini banned them while he lived.
Nuclear deterrence doesn't work when Armageddon is an incentive.
That's why I said it's "usually" enough of a deterrent. Sometimes more is needed, which is why you keep your offense strong- in case it actually does come down to wielding that stick. In the case of the Iranian regime- I think that's exactly what will happen. (Again- I think it will be Saudi pressure, not Israeli, that will cause us to strike those facilities.)
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brookly red Mon, May 18, 2009 2:45:06pm |
re: #107 Miss Molly
Desert Dog --- Good point! I don't think anyone is afraid of Obama or will be afraid of Obama.
Well he scares the shit outta me....
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MrSilverDragon Mon, May 18, 2009 2:45:25pm |
re: #110 Honorary Yooper
It's the fear factor, not the fallout that's the issue. People would be scared shitless for weeks afterward. Months.
This is true, a majority of people would crawl into their shells in abject fear. But for many, I believe, it would be a rally cry... although it would be a shame to have it happen because of a terrorist attack.
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Desert Dog Mon, May 18, 2009 2:45:33pm |
re: #109 Fenway_Nation
RINO or not, they would've feared McCain, too.
A lot more than Obama, that is for sure.
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Honorary Yooper Mon, May 18, 2009 2:46:10pm |
re: #113 buzzsawmonkey
I would hope they'd get angry, too--more angry, and for longer, than they did after 9/11.
Unfortunately, I just thought of something. That would be one of the worst things I could think of. It would be an excuse for the Gellers, Spencers, et.al. of the world. A major excuse for them and their ilk.
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 18, 2009 2:46:31pm |
Does anyone know how to download a video off of youtube? I found a real doozy but I want to make a copy before I post it. It might get pulled soon after I post it.
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LGoPs Mon, May 18, 2009 2:46:38pm |
re: #113 buzzsawmonkey
I would hope they'd get angry, too--more angry, and for longer, than they did after 9/11.
A lot of that would depend on how long the media anointed would 'allow' the pictures to be shown.........
Don't want to stir us up of course.
/
Bastards.
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Desert Dog Mon, May 18, 2009 2:46:51pm |
re: #121 MrSilverDragon
This is true, a majority of people would crawl into their shells in abject fear. But for many, I believe, it would be a rally cry... although it would be a shame to have it happen because of a terrorist attack.
I do not live in New York, so 9/11 did not strike fear into me. It made me mad. Madder than I have ever been. If something worse happens, I will go crazy. And, I am not alone.
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Fenway_Nation Mon, May 18, 2009 2:46:52pm |
re: #112 Honorary Yooper
To use Mandy's now famous quote...
"I HOPE ALL OF YOU WHO THOUGHT MCCAIN WAS NOT CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH ARE FUCKING HAPPY NOW!"
I didn't think McCain was conservative enough either, but I went to the polls anyway in a futile effort to stave off the alternative. We're all reaping the benefits of the petulant brats who decided to sit this one out.
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Sharmuta Mon, May 18, 2009 2:47:02pm |
I wish 'Horse With No Name' wasn't stuck in my head.
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unrealizedviewpoint Mon, May 18, 2009 2:47:29pm |
re: #96 Charles
No, it's not a psycho. The person you see in the video is known to me personally.
I immediately recognized his sanity intact, signed, and provided my contact info.
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Killian Bundy Mon, May 18, 2009 2:47:40pm |
re: #124 Killgore Trout
Does anyone know how to download a video off of youtube? I found a real doozy but I want to make a copy before I post it. It might get pulled soon after I post it.
/it should show up in your temporary internet files folder after you play it
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DEZes Mon, May 18, 2009 2:47:40pm |
re: #107 Miss Molly
Desert Dog --- Good point! I don't think anyone is afraid of Obama or will be afraid of Obama.
Only Americans and her allies fear Obama.
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Kragar Mon, May 18, 2009 2:47:47pm |
re: #124 Killgore Trout
Does anyone know how to download a video off of youtube? I found a real doozy but I want to make a copy before I post it. It might get pulled soon after I post it.
There are a couple addons and plugins for different browsers out there.
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alegrias Mon, May 18, 2009 2:47:52pm |
OMG
Michael Scheuer the former head of the CIA Bin Laden section, says we have no interest in Israel.
He says all the Israelis do is take from the USA!
OMG! What an ASS!
(on Fox News Cable)
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MrSilverDragon Mon, May 18, 2009 2:48:41pm |
re: #126 Desert Dog
I do not live in New York, so 9/11 did not strike fear into me. It made me mad. Madder than I have ever been. If something worse happens, I will go crazy. And, I am not alone.
I can't say I felt the fear that many did in New York, but I do live right on the outskirts of DC and saw the plume of smoke from the Pentagon. I was afraid... and very angry.
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Kragar Mon, May 18, 2009 2:48:58pm |
re: #134 alegrias
OMG
Michael Scheuer the former head of the CIA Bin Laden section, says we have no interest in Israel.He says all the Israelis do is take from the USA!
OMG! What an ASS!
(on Fox News Cable)
Un-fucking-believable.
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alegrias Mon, May 18, 2009 2:49:26pm |
OMG
Michael Scheuer said nothing would change if Israel and Palestine disappeared tomorrow.
on Fox news
Get this guy out of here!
| 138 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 18, 2009 2:50:05pm |
re: #128 Sharmuta
Here, let me help...
Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale
A tale of a fateful trip....
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albusteve Mon, May 18, 2009 2:50:36pm |
re: #137 alegrias
OMG
Michael Scheuer said nothing would change if Israel and Palestine disappeared tomorrow.
on Fox news
Get this guy out of here!
I'm sure some guy with great hair is gonna take him to the mat...wait one
| 140 |
anchors_aweigh Mon, May 18, 2009 2:50:42pm |
re: #99 FurryOldGuyJeans
Well, then I guess you can go on being scared of unlikely attack scenarios. AQ's goal is to bring down the US by crippling her economically. One of the ways they do that is by getting the government to over-react to low-risk threat scenarios and waste their scarce resources.
For example; inspecting every TEU after it has already been offloaded in a US port would shut-down commerce here. Akin to closing the barn gate... That (shutting down commerce), by the way, is AQs goal. Much better to screen the TEUs before they are loaded, overseas. That's pushing the security perimeter out.
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Fenway_Nation Mon, May 18, 2009 2:50:46pm |
re: #132 DEZes
Only Americans and her allies fear Obama.
Since November, I've been drawing up a list of erstwhile allies 0bama was willing to thrown under the bus. So far I've come up with Ukraine, Taiwan, Colombia and Turkey.
/I kinda figured Israel went without saying.
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Charles Johnson Mon, May 18, 2009 2:50:50pm |
re: #134 alegrias
OMG
Michael Scheuer the former head of the CIA Bin Laden section, says we have no interest in Israel.He says all the Israelis do is take from the USA!
OMG! What an ASS!
(on Fox News Cable)
Fox News promotes Scheuer regularly. He's a Ron Paul fan.
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 18, 2009 2:51:05pm |
re: #131 Killian Bundy
Hmmm, nothing in there but tmp files that I can't open.
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Fenway_Nation Mon, May 18, 2009 2:52:05pm |
re: #134 alegrias
OMG
Michael Scheuer the former head of the CIA Bin Laden section, says we have no interest in Israel.He says all the Israelis do is take from the USA!
OMG! What an ASS!
(on Fox News Cable)
Well...you know....since he did such a bang-up job of tracking down Bin Laden before he was able to do any serisou damage to the USA, I think we should hear him out....
/
| 145 |
Killgore Trout Mon, May 18, 2009 2:52:31pm |
I doubt the people who posted the video will have enough sense to be embarrassed by it anyways. I'll just post it.....
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Charles Johnson Mon, May 18, 2009 2:52:34pm |
re: #143 Killgore Trout
Hmmm, nothing in there but tmp files that I can't open.
Try this:
[Link: keepvid.com...]
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 18, 2009 2:52:42pm |
Interview with a Truther at yesterday's California Tea Party.....
If you'd like to skip the gibberish you can skip to 4:40 where he explains why he's attending the Tea Party.
5:30 another Truther with Obama's head on a stick
| 148 |
SixDegrees Mon, May 18, 2009 2:53:01pm |
re: #77 unrealizedviewpoint
Psycho's? Does the gentlemen in the video sound like a psycho to you? Wow!
He is given to overstatement. He asserts that Iran may have nuclear warheads, follows with a statement that they have missiles capable of reaching the United States, then segues into his conclusion that they will destroy Israel and destroy the United States. From there, he launches into a direct assault on the Democratic Party leadership, which may be deserved, but certainly isn't any way to build the coalition he claims to be aiming for.
The message could have been a lot more effective had he reined in the rhetoric. Exaggerating Iran's capabilities, then whipping up fear over the Democrats, the UN, the IAEA and so on borders on "They're all out to get me!"
Good message. Good sentiment. Poor delivery. And it raises enough questions that I would also be interested in learning more about this organization and who's behind it.
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SeafoodGumbo Mon, May 18, 2009 2:53:10pm |
We're headed for a completely shaken up world either way. Either Iran gets nukes and uses them which causes massive social instability and a huge response from the attacked (Israel or U.S.) or Iran's nuke facilities get attacked and neutralized and they send every Hizb sleeper around the planet into attack mode as well as tons of radical Islamists (and Communists, leftists, and others) going bat-shit beserk.
Every day we get closer to that moment...
| 150 |
Killgore Trout Mon, May 18, 2009 2:53:18pm |
Video from yesterday's Tea Party....
0:55 Democracies can't survive because of "parasites", I don't know what that means but I'm guess it's creepy
1:50 Ron Paul, End the Fed
2:30 Ron Paul, Audit the Fed (notice this is not the same guy)
3:18 End the Fed
7:18 Ron Paul
7:22 Obama's head on a stick
| 151 |
Randall Gross Mon, May 18, 2009 2:53:51pm |
re: #124 Killgore Trout
Does anyone know how to download a video off of youtube? I found a real doozy but I want to make a copy before I post it. It might get pulled soon after I post it.
There are free utilities on the web, search on "youtube flash download". After download it will be a .flv file, you can then use an online flash conversion service.
| 152 |
alegrias Mon, May 18, 2009 2:54:00pm |
re: #142 Charles
Fox News promotes Scheuer regularly. He's a Ron Paul fan.
* * * * *
Ugghhh! Scheuer's outed himself as an antisemite kook not fit to work for the US government.
Glad Scheuer's not working at the CIA anymore. How could he understand Bin Laden and fatwas and jihad, and equate modern democratic respected Israel with these murdering mullahs?
| 153 |
Killgore Trout Mon, May 18, 2009 2:54:35pm |
re: #146 Charles
I'm not too worried about it. The idiots will probably enjoy the extra traffic and think they're getting their message out.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, May 18, 2009 2:54:47pm |
Can anyone suggest a nice cigar that I can get a box of for a Graduation gift for my best buddy? Not looking to spend more than $120, $130. I figure that SHOULD be good enough for a nicer box, but I'm no cigar expert at all.
| 155 |
Killian Bundy Mon, May 18, 2009 2:55:08pm |
| 156 |
Kragar Mon, May 18, 2009 2:55:10pm |
re: #152 alegrias
* * * * *
Ugghhh! Scheuer's outed himself as an antisemite kook not fit to work for the US government.Glad Scheuer's not working at the CIA anymore. How could he understand Bin Laden and fatwas and jihad, and equate modern democratic respected Israel with these murdering mullahs?
Thats simple. Israel is full of Jews. Thats enough for a POS like him.
| 157 |
redc1c4 Mon, May 18, 2009 2:55:21pm |
re: #2 Cognito
The world hasn't summoned the nerve to do it. Unfortunately I'm not convinced a petition is going to change that.
and if they do summon the nerve, whiners like you will complain about it.
| 158 |
alegrias Mon, May 18, 2009 2:55:41pm |
re: #154 TheMatrix31
Can anyone suggest a nice cigar that I can get a box of for a Graduation gift for my best buddy? Not looking to spend more than $120, $130. I figure that SHOULD be good enough for a nicer box, but I'm no cigar expert at all.
* * * *
chocolate cigars!
| 159 |
Charles Johnson Mon, May 18, 2009 2:55:49pm |
re: #147 Killgore Trout
Interview with a Truther at yesterday's California Tea Party.....
[Video]
If you'd like to skip the gibberish you can skip to 4:40 where he explains why he's attending the Tea Party.
5:30 another Truther with Obama's head on a stick
Yeesh.
| 160 |
Alaska Kim Mon, May 18, 2009 2:56:03pm |
re: #81 Desert Dog
Well, if they find one, this country will shut down. No planes, no
trains, no trucks, maybe even cars. I would guess martial law would be
put down fast. If they found one, more may have gotten by.
Welcome to the future, a bunch of suicidal religious kooks that hate our guts are about to get nuclear bombs.
That raised the hair on the back of my neck!
| 161 |
DEZes Mon, May 18, 2009 2:56:10pm |
re: #141 Fenway_Nation
Since November, I've been drawing up a list of erstwhile allies 0bama was willing to thrown under the bus. So far I've come up with Ukraine, Taiwan, Colombia and Turkey.
/I kinda figured Israel went without saying.
The list has almost and at the bare minimum, 4 years to get longer.
| 162 |
Sharmuta Mon, May 18, 2009 2:56:23pm |
re: #154 TheMatrix31
Can anyone suggest a nice cigar that I can get a box of for a Graduation gift for my best buddy? Not looking to spend more than $120, $130. I figure that SHOULD be good enough for a nicer box, but I'm no cigar expert at all.
A good tobacco shop should have someone on staff to help you.
| 163 |
redc1c4 Mon, May 18, 2009 2:56:23pm |
re: #154 TheMatrix31
Can anyone suggest a nice cigar that I can get a box of for a Graduation gift for my best buddy? Not looking to spend more than $120, $130. I figure that SHOULD be good enough for a nicer box, but I'm no cigar expert at all.
i know a great place in Huntington Park where the guy rolls his own.... for that kind of $ you can prolly get a box worth for the gift, and another for you.... email me.
| 164 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 18, 2009 2:56:30pm |
re: #112 Honorary Yooper
To use Mandy's now famous quote...
"I HOPE ALL OF YOU WHO THOUGHT MCCAIN WAS NOT CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH ARE FUCKING HAPPY NOW!"
McCain by far wasn't conservative enough for me, but the alternatives, not voting, 3rd party, voting for O, were even more unpalatable.
| 166 |
callahan23 Mon, May 18, 2009 2:57:03pm |
re: #146 Charles
Charles,
are foreigners allowed to sign this petition, if so what type of zip code do I enter?
| 167 |
Fenway_Nation Mon, May 18, 2009 2:57:07pm |
re: #152 alegrias
* * * * *
Ugghhh! Scheuer's outed himself as an antisemite kooknotfit to workfortheUSgovernmentin the 0bama administration.
Fixed that for ya.
| 168 |
MrSilverDragon Mon, May 18, 2009 2:57:40pm |
re: #150 Killgore Trout
Video from yesterday's Tea Party....
7:22 Obama's head on a stick
The only one I know that should be on a stick is José Jalapeño.
| 169 |
albusteve Mon, May 18, 2009 2:58:16pm |
0:55 Democracies can't survive because of "parasites", I don't know what that means but I'm guess it's creepy...
maybe he is referring to lifetime pols reducing govt to a continuous scramble for power...or he may be referring to 40% of citizens on the fed tit
| 170 |
Fenway_Nation Mon, May 18, 2009 2:58:17pm |
re: #164 FurryOldGuyJeans
And McCain at least had the sense to nominate a conservative running mate.
| 171 |
redc1c4 Mon, May 18, 2009 2:58:27pm |
re: #147 Killgore Trout
Interview with a Truther at yesterday's California Tea Party.....
[Video]If you'd like to skip the gibberish you can skip to 4:40 where he explains why he's attending the Tea Party.
5:30 another Truther with Obama's head on a stick
and yet, nothing like that occurred at the protest I attended, nor at many of the others....
you've got a might thin brush to be painting such a broad stripe.
| 172 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 18, 2009 2:58:29pm |
re: #166 callahan23
Charles,
are foreigners allowed to sign this petition, if so what type of zip code do I enter?
You have a UK Postal code?
| 173 |
Charles Johnson Mon, May 18, 2009 2:59:01pm |
re: #165 Cheechako
I'm deleting your comment and link because that website uses a self-signed "root certificate" for a Java applet, and that's extremely dangerous.
| 174 |
opnion Mon, May 18, 2009 2:59:13pm |
re: #154 TheMatrix31
Can anyone suggest a nice cigar that I can get a box of for a Graduation gift for my best buddy? Not looking to spend more than $120, $130. I figure that SHOULD be good enough for a nicer box, but I'm no cigar expert at all.
Cohibas.
| 175 |
redc1c4 Mon, May 18, 2009 2:59:15pm |
re: #166 callahan23
Charles,
are foreigners allowed to sign this petition, if so what type of zip code do I enter?
ask Acorn....
| 176 |
Fenway_Nation Mon, May 18, 2009 2:59:37pm |
re: #161 DEZes
The list has almost and at the bare minimum, 4 years to get longer.
But gosh....didn't the whole rest of the world hate us under the Bush administration? Ergo....we had no allies to speak of?
/
| 177 |
alegrias Mon, May 18, 2009 2:59:47pm |
re: #167 Fenway_Nation
Fixed that for ya.
* * * *
Sorry, but I don't want any taxpayer monies going to whacked out Michael Scheue--let him take ignorant idiots' money off his book sales.
Bad enough taxpayers are paying Scheuer's CIA retirement money, if he's getting any.
| 178 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 18, 2009 2:59:57pm |
re: #147 Killgore Trout
Saw nothing remotely "Ron Paul ish" or Troofer related at the "Tea Party" that I went by. Can't say I went, kind of walked through.
| 179 |
Charles Johnson Mon, May 18, 2009 3:00:05pm |
re: #166 callahan23
Charles,
are foreigners allowed to sign this petition, if so what type of zip code do I enter?
Sorry, I can't help you -- it's not my website and I don't know if they have a policy on that.
| 180 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 18, 2009 3:00:08pm |
re: #170 Fenway_Nation
And McCain at least had the sense to nominate a conservative running mate.
Palin only made it slightly less of a cringe factor to vote for McCain. Her influence wouldn't have lasted past the election even if they had won.
| 181 |
Killian Bundy Mon, May 18, 2009 3:00:13pm |
re: #166 callahan23
Charles,
are foreigners allowed to sign this petition, if so what type of zip code do I enter?
/90210 works on the TV
| 182 |
callahan23 Mon, May 18, 2009 3:00:27pm |
| 184 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 18, 2009 3:00:56pm |
re: #173 Charles
I'm deleting your comment and link because that website uses a self-signed "root certificate" for a Java applet, and that's extremely dangerous.
YOW! That is scary! Thanks for watching out for us, Charles.
| 185 |
researchok Mon, May 18, 2009 3:01:06pm |
We're treading water. The only ones who may do something about Iran are the Israelis.
Personally, I believe the Iranians already have nukes. They wouldn't be so bellicose if they didn't.
| 187 |
Digital Display Mon, May 18, 2009 3:02:18pm |
re: #173 Charles
I'm deleting your comment and link because that website uses a self-signed "root certificate" for a Java applet, and that's extremely dangerous.
With a little work..couldn't you redirect to a phishing site? Or a silent install?
| 188 |
Alaska Kim Mon, May 18, 2009 3:02:25pm |
Charles,
Are you ever going to bring back the Lizard Lounge?
| 189 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 18, 2009 3:02:34pm |
re: #182 callahan23
Nope, German.
;-(
I haven't a clue what the German postal service uses, don't they have some locale designation?
Now where did I get the idea you were in the UK, my bad, sorry.
| 190 |
Tamron Mon, May 18, 2009 3:02:39pm |
re: #124 Killgore Trout
Does anyone know how to download a video off of youtube? I found a real doozy but I want to make a copy before I post it. It might get pulled soon after I post it.
Google YOUTUBE DOWNLOADER. It's a freebie, and it works just fine.
.
| 191 |
gmsc Mon, May 18, 2009 3:02:42pm |
re: #178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Saw nothing remotely "Ron Paul ish" or Troofer related at the "Tea Party" that I went by. Can't say I went, kind of walked through.
Don't worry. KT will find it for you, whether it's there or not!
| 192 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 18, 2009 3:03:09pm |
re: #187 HoosierHoops
With a little work..couldn't you redirect to a phishing site? Or a silent install?
Yes, that is why that is so scary.
| 193 |
Cheechako Mon, May 18, 2009 3:03:31pm |
re: #173 Charles
I'm deleting your comment and link because that website uses a self-signed "root certificate" for a Java applet, and that's extremely dangerous.
Sorry, I didn't know that.
| 194 |
Killgore Trout Mon, May 18, 2009 3:03:36pm |
re: #171 redc1c4
you've got a might thin brush to be painting such a broad stripe.
No broad brush here. My post couldn't possible have been more specific. The reason why I keep posting this stuff is because people keep denying that it is happening.
| 195 |
gmsc Mon, May 18, 2009 3:03:36pm |
re: #124 Killgore Trout
Does anyone know how to download a video off of youtube? I found a real doozy but I want to make a copy before I post it. It might get pulled soon after I post it.
Yep. I do. Don't even need any external sites or programs to do it.
| 196 |
TheMatrix31 Mon, May 18, 2009 3:03:43pm |
re: #163 redc1c4
i know a great place in Huntington Park where the guy rolls his own.... for that kind of $ you can prolly get a box worth for the gift, and another for you.... email me.
Sent.
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Bloodnok Mon, May 18, 2009 3:03:46pm |
re: #191 gmsc
Don't worry. KT will find it for you, whether it's there or not!
And some will ignore it, whether it's real or not.
| 198 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 18, 2009 3:03:53pm |
re: #191 gmsc
Don't worry. KT will find it for you, whether it's there or not!
And foam at the mouth calling you names for being so obviously blind to not see what only he can see.
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alegrias Mon, May 18, 2009 3:03:56pm |
re: #180 FurryOldGuyJeans
Palin only made it slightly less of a cringe factor to vote for McCain. Her influence wouldn't have lasted past the election even if they had won.
* * * * *
Are you kidding? Palin as Vice President would have ten times more press coverage than Joe Biden gets!
Palin gaffes would have been much better than Plagiarist Biden's dereliction of duty making disclosures of "undisclosed secure locations" of the Vice Presidential sort, that Cheney managed to keep secret 8 years but Biden couldn't guard for 4 months.
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albusteve Mon, May 18, 2009 3:04:20pm |
re: #185 researchok
We're treading water. The only ones who may do something about Iran are the Israelis.
Personally, I believe the Iranians already have nukes. They wouldn't be so bellicose if they didn't.
nobody did a damned thing about the Norks either...obviously to be used foe extortion and export...the West has a death wish, championed by the Liberals
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cgn38navy Mon, May 18, 2009 3:05:11pm |
re: #148 SixDegrees
Thanks and I agree. He is trying to raise awareness through fear. I would also agree that many of our compatriots on the left side of the fence continue to underestimate the hatred that many in the middle east have for America. I'm not sure how to build a coalition with someone who doesn't believe they are a threat. GW built his coalition by convincing the populace of the threat (which I still believe was credible) and of the long term strategy of Democracy building. Regime change in Iran, anyone? (just joking. kind of.)
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opnion Mon, May 18, 2009 3:05:24pm |
re: #178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Saw nothing remotely "Ron Paul ish" or Troofer related at the "Tea Party" that I went by. Can't say I went, kind of walked through.
I had the same experience. I wasn't there long & just my observation, there did not seem to be some professional staff of people running it.
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Eowyn2 Mon, May 18, 2009 3:05:31pm |
re: #2 Cognito
The world hasn't summoned the nerve to do it. Unfortunately I'm not convinced a petition is going to change that.
how bout a strongly worded memo?
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Eowyn2 Mon, May 18, 2009 3:07:41pm |
re: #199 alegrias
* * * * *
Are you kidding? Palin as Vice President would have ten times more press coverage than Joe Biden gets!Palin gaffes would have been much better than Plagiarist Biden's dereliction of duty making disclosures of "undisclosed secure locations" of the Vice Presidential sort, that Cheney managed to keep secret 8 years but Biden couldn't guard for 4 months.
The 'open' administration.
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callahan23 Mon, May 18, 2009 3:07:45pm |
re: #189 FurryOldGuyJeans
I haven't a clue what the German postal service uses, don't they have some locale designation?
Now where did I get the idea you were in the UK, my bad, sorry.
Maybe it is my impeccable English? Have I been using British slang lately?
///
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albusteve Mon, May 18, 2009 3:07:49pm |
there are no Paulians here at Ft. Willow....that is the extent of my influence and concern...the blimp has left the house...his world is another realm from mine
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brookly red Mon, May 18, 2009 3:08:20pm |
re: #200 albusteve
nobody did a damned thing about the Norks either...obviously to be used foe extortion and export...the West has a death wish, championed by the Liberals
it disturbs me that O is talking disarmament at a time when everyone else is arming... it just seems like bad, questionable timing.
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 18, 2009 3:08:44pm |
re: #178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I hear that a lot. MIchelle Malkin posted a thread about that Tea Party yesterday. A pic of the 911 truther was included early in the slide show and nobody noticed. I've had Tea Party supporters tell me that their Tea Party were nothing but good normal conservatives but when they post a link Ron Paul or Glenn Beck are prominently listed as the sponsors. Some Tea parties might not have unsavory elements but it's pretty clear to me that some people just can't or won't see what's going on.
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SixDegrees Mon, May 18, 2009 3:08:57pm |
re: #185 researchok
We're treading water. The only ones who may do something about Iran are the Israelis.
Personally, I believe the Iranians already have nukes. They wouldn't be so bellicose if they didn't.
I'm not so sure. The first thing nations do when they have nukes is fire one or two off, to show everybody what they've got. I would expect Iran to follow this pattern. Along with pining for the destruction of Israel, they have huge ambitions to resurrect the Persian Empire and exert control over the Middle East, and the possession of the only nukes in the area (excluding Israel) would further that end tremendously. I would expect them to detonate one nearly as soon as they have it.
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Lynn B. Mon, May 18, 2009 3:09:02pm |
This guy, Michael Fenenbock, is the founder and spokesperson for "the 18," whose videos (No on Two State and Call President Obama) have, I believe, been linked here at LGF before.
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Eowyn2 Mon, May 18, 2009 3:09:16pm |
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DEZes Mon, May 18, 2009 3:09:19pm |
re: #205 callahan23
Maybe it is my impeccable English? Have I been using British slang lately?
///
Maybe you called someone a cheeky fellow. ;)
{Callahan}
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 18, 2009 3:09:44pm |
re: #198 FurryOldGuyJeans
And foam at the mouth calling you names for being so obviously blind to not see what only he can see.
Yes, If you can't see the Thuthers and Paulians in those videos you have a serious problem.
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albusteve Mon, May 18, 2009 3:10:20pm |
re: #207 brookly red
it disturbs me that O is talking disarmament at a time when everyone else is arming... it just seems like bad, questionable timing.
he's not rational...he is a lunatic....I hope people here that think he is doing a good job with the economy realize they will glow like the rest of us....the MSM is a powerful enemy...it's even here on this blog, working it's magic
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opnion Mon, May 18, 2009 3:11:04pm |
re: #207 brookly red
it disturbs me that O is talking disarmament at a time when everyone else is arming... it just seems like bad, questionable timing.
It seems to me that Obama believes that where he leads the world will follow. I hope that he soon concludes that touchy , feely is not the way things operate.
he has already backed away from some campaign positions, so maybe there is hope.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 18, 2009 3:11:40pm |
re: #208 Killgore Trout
I am actually glad you're looking for this stuff. Wasn't being argumentative, was just saying.
I went to our Tea Party looking for them, was prepared to engage. (No, not with violence.)
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callahan23 Mon, May 18, 2009 3:11:48pm |
re: #212 DEZes
Maybe you called someone a cheeky fellow. ;)
{Callahan}
Or did I let 'Bob's me Uncle' slip? ;-)
{DEZes}
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Eowyn2 Mon, May 18, 2009 3:12:12pm |
re: #209 SixDegrees
I'm not so sure. The first thing nations do when they have nukes is fire one or two off, to show everybody what they've got. I would expect Iran to follow this pattern. Along with pining for the destruction of Israel, they have huge ambitions to resurrect the Persian Empire and exert control over the Middle East, and the possession of the only nukes in the area (excluding Israel) would further that end tremendously. I would expect them to detonate one nearly as soon as they have it.
they definately want control over the whole ME. I dont know if they would hit Israel 1st or Riyade (sp)
It all depends on which mad mullah has the go button.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 18, 2009 3:13:03pm |
re: #205 callahan23
Maybe it is my impeccable English? Have I been using British slang lately?
///
re: #194 Killgore Trout
Did you paint the Abu Ghraib abuses as indicative of military policies or as the actions of a few sick bastards? You beat the drum of the former in regards to the Tea Parties, and frankly such constant noise is turning people off to your message no matter how correct it is.
And you never see people agree with you that they have seen what you post, but then say only as aberrations not policy. You just see what you want to see.
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cgn38navy Mon, May 18, 2009 3:13:38pm |
re: #213 Killgore Trout
We need to change our game plan. We need to find common ground. The Democrats don't outright reject their kooks. They just wink and nod their heads and thank them for their internet donations. Everyone knows they are the fringe. Why can't we Republicans do the same?
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albusteve Mon, May 18, 2009 3:13:43pm |
re: #213 Killgore Trout
Yes, If you can't see the Thuthers and Paulians in those videos you have a serious problem.
so what?...what can I do about it?...send MM an email?...what is your nationwide solution?...disavow the tea parties?...then what...they will continue anyway...speak up
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researchok Mon, May 18, 2009 3:13:52pm |
re: #209 SixDegrees
I'm not so sure. The first thing nations do when they have nukes is fire one or two off, to show everybody what they've got. I would expect Iran to follow this pattern. Along with pining for the destruction of Israel, they have huge ambitions to resurrect the Persian Empire and exert control over the Middle East, and the possession of the only nukes in the area (excluding Israel) would further that end tremendously. I would expect them to detonate one nearly as soon as they have it.
If history offers up a record, then we know that nations that developed nuclear weapons did so quietly- including Israel and Pakistan.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 18, 2009 3:14:11pm |
re: #213 Killgore Trout
I see them, but don't see them as the absolutist boogey-men you want to make them out to be.
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opnion Mon, May 18, 2009 3:14:23pm |
re: #218 Eowyn2
they definately want control over the whole ME. I dont know if they would hit Israel 1st or Riyade (sp)
It all depends on which mad mullah has the go button.
Well maybe Obama can negotiate with the moderate mullahs, kind of like the moderate Taliban.
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 18, 2009 3:15:01pm |
re: #216 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I've seen this before. A few years ago we had a thread about a protest here in Portland where some anarchists shit on an American flag. It clearly happened, we had video. I had neighbors who went to that same protest, they didn't see anything unusual and thought is was just a bunch or normal peace loving people expressing their opinion. Some people just can't see it.
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researchok Mon, May 18, 2009 3:15:09pm |
re: #218 Eowyn2
they definately want control over the whole ME. I dont know if they would hit Israel 1st or Riyade (sp)
It all depends on which mad mullah has the go button.
The Arabs have more to fear- the Iranians know what they can expect if they attacked Israel with either conventional or nuclear weapons.
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sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 3:15:15pm |
re: #5 Thanos
Last time I looked, Iran didn't have range to reach Continental US - what changed?
9/11 ,, and the possibility of "siutcase nukes"
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Chasing Zero Mon, May 18, 2009 3:16:01pm |
re: #50 Desert Dog
Well, we still have MAD and that is about our only defense. Tracking signatures of isotopes is possible. Every blast will leave a distinctive trail. If they blow up Israel or an American city, they can still kiss their asses good bye. They can hurt us badly, we can erase them from existence. I hope that fact is enough of a deterrent.
I'm not so sure Obama would release information identifying Iran as the source for any blast on US soil. Because that sets in motion the process for declaring war on Iran. And I don't think he's capable of bringing himself to engage in the acts necessary to win such a war.
Additionally, I think the Iranians think that as well. So, if you were choosing between targeting the US or Israel, the likelihood of a counterstrike is much higher with the latter rather than the former.
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unrealizedviewpoint Mon, May 18, 2009 3:16:15pm |
re: #219 FurryOldGuyJeans
re: #194 Killgore Trout
Did you paint the Abu Ghraib abuses as indicative of military policies or as the actions of a few sick bastards? You beat the drum of the former in regards to the Tea Parties, and frankly such constant noise is turning people off to your message no matter how correct it is.
And you never see people agree with you that they have seen what you post, but then say only as aberrations not policy. You just see what you want to see.
What a perfect analogy! I absolutely agree with you.
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brookly red Mon, May 18, 2009 3:16:41pm |
re: #215 opnion
It seems to me that Obama believes that where he leads the world will follow. I hope that he soon concludes that touchy , feely is not the way things operate.
he has already backed away from some campaign positions, so maybe there is hope.
hoping for mercy from your enemies is not such a good plan...
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Charles Johnson Mon, May 18, 2009 3:16:48pm |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 18, 2009 3:16:57pm |
re: #227 sattv4u2
9/11 ,, and the possibility of "siutcase nukes"
The experts who concluded before 9/11 that airliners would never be used as missiles also have concluded that suitcase nukes are a fantasy.
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Fenway_Nation Mon, May 18, 2009 3:17:05pm |
re: #220 cgn38navy
We need to change our game plan. We need to find common ground. The Democrats don't outright reject their kooks. They just wink and nod their heads and thank them for their internet donations. Everyone knows they are the fringe. Why can't we Republicans do the same?
Umm...no thanks. When the 'Big tent' gets big enough for racists, 9/11 truthers and Paulians is when they don't have to worry about making room in the tent for me.
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DEZes Mon, May 18, 2009 3:17:37pm |
re: #227 sattv4u2
9/11 ,, and the possibility of "siutcase nukes"
Suit case nukes?
Maybe a dirty bomb that small, unless you have info I dont, I doubt a nuke that small.
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albusteve Mon, May 18, 2009 3:17:44pm |
re: #228 Chasing Zero
I'm not so sure Obama would release information identifying Iran as the source for any blast on US soil. Because that sets in motion the process for declaring war on Iran. And I don't think he's capable of bringing himself to engage in the acts necessary to win such a war.Additionally, I think the Iranians think that as well. So, if you were choosing between targeting the US or Israel, the likelihood of a counterstrike is much higher with the latter rather than the former.
that would be cause for impeachment....bummer...he's just starting to get the economy shaped up too
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Eowyn2 Mon, May 18, 2009 3:18:50pm |
re: #233 Fenway_Nation
Umm...no thanks. When the 'Big tent' gets big enough for racists, 9/11 truthers and Paulians is when they don't have to worry about making room in the tent for me.
What the Reps need is a decent backbone.
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Killian Bundy Mon, May 18, 2009 3:18:56pm |
William Ayers, Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. headline Mideast peace rally
They urged a rethinking of the Mideast conflict, a shift in perspective that's not unlike the view espoused by Obama.
/get under the damn bus Israel!
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unrealizedviewpoint Mon, May 18, 2009 3:19:08pm |
re: #220 cgn38navy
We need to change our game plan. We need to find common ground. The Democrats don't outright reject their kooks. They just wink and nod their heads and thank them for their internet donations. Everyone knows they are the fringe. Why can't we Republicans do the same?
Because for some strange reason, the media, ridicule doesn't stick as well to the dems as it does the repubs.
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 18, 2009 3:19:30pm |
re: #223 FurryOldGuyJeans
I see them, but don't see them as the absolutist boogey-men you want to make them out to be.
Now that's better. We saw a lot of people to this with the Euronazis in the counter jihad movement. It's not a choice I would make but it's a perfectly legitimate decision. Just don't tell me they aren't there because it's very obvious that they are. If you accept it that's fine but where you get into trouble is denial or reality. We can have a debate about how bad Ron Paul and the Truthers are but debate their presence in the Tea Parties is beyond dispute.
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brookly red Mon, May 18, 2009 3:20:07pm |
re: #234 DEZes
Suit case nukes?
Maybe a dirty bomb that small, unless you have info I dont, I doubt a nuke that small.
if it can fit in an artillery shell... it can fit in a suitcase.
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Eagle Mon, May 18, 2009 3:20:18pm |
OT,
I just had the bright idea to make fried rice, and add a little "Red Hot" to it. Then I said "maybe just a lil more, to give it some zing".
Anyway, I said that bout 5 times.
It was so hot I can feel my ear canals.
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loppyd Mon, May 18, 2009 3:20:24pm |
re: #225 Killgore Trout
I've seen this before. A few years ago we had a thread about a protest here in Portland where some anarchists shit on an American flag. It clearly happened, we had video. I had neighbors who went to that same protest, they didn't see anything unusual and thought is was just a bunch or normal peace loving people expressing their opinion. Some people just can't see it.
Some people actually went to a tea party and didn't sit in front of their computers all day and night searching for links to prove all of the tea parties were organized and endorsed by Paulians and Stormfront members, either.
Your armchair quarterbacking is beyond tedious.
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cgn38navy Mon, May 18, 2009 3:20:24pm |
re: #233 Fenway_Nation
I guess those zany proselytizing born again Christians are out, too?
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unrealizedviewpoint Mon, May 18, 2009 3:20:54pm |
re: #234 DEZes
Suit case nukes?
Maybe a dirty bomb that small, unless you have info I dont, I doubt a nuke that small.
My understanding is one could be as small as a central air conditioning unit as one might find on the side of ones home.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 18, 2009 3:21:18pm |
re: #239 Killgore Trout
You keep putting words into people's mouths, claiming they never see what you trumpet from on high. They see it, just don't see it as more than an aberration.
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Fenway_Nation Mon, May 18, 2009 3:22:36pm |
re: #243 cgn38navy
I guess those zany proselytizing born again Christians are out, too?
Um....
1) Where exactly did I say that?
and
2) If their zaniness is so far beyond the pale, why are the Dems trying to pick them up as a voting base?
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DEZes Mon, May 18, 2009 3:22:47pm |
re: #240 brookly red
if it can fit in an artillery shell... it can fit in a suitcase.
Ahem...
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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LGoPs Mon, May 18, 2009 3:23:12pm |
re: #194 Killgore Trout
No broad brush here. My post couldn't possible have been more specific. The reason why I keep posting this stuff is because people keep denying that it is happening.
No, what I think you're doing is finding some dirt in the corner and proclaiming that the entire house is unclean.
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sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 3:23:31pm |
re: #234 DEZes
Suit case nukes?
Maybe a dirty bomb that small, unless you have info I dont, I doubt a nuke that small.
They've come a LONG way since " Little Boy" and "Fat Man"
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SixDegrees Mon, May 18, 2009 3:23:46pm |
re: #222 researchok
If history offers up a record, then we know that nations that developed nuclear weapons did so quietly- including Israel and Pakistan.
I'm quite certain they're working toward weapons. I just don't think they have them yet, because I think the moment they do they will touch one off for demonstration purposes. Pakistan did exactly that. North Korea tried, and apparently failed (or possibly staged a bogus "test"). Israel is the only nation thought to possess nukes that hasn't followed this pattern; this reticence has led to questions about whether Israel really has nuclear capabilities or is simply engaged in a decades-long bluff.
But as noted, Iran has regional ambitions. Those ambitions are better served through intimidation than through outright destruction in many ways. I think they would happily let the world know if they had nukes, probably with a series of underground test firings.
There is certainly an unsettling level of crazy in Iran that might favor a direct attack on any of several targets. But so far, pragmatism seems to have the upper hand, despite the loony rhetoric spewed by their midget-in-chief.
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sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 3:24:07pm |
re: #248 LGoPs
No, what I think you're doing is finding some dirt in the corner and proclaiming that the entire house is
uncleancondemned.
more like it,. IMHO
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Lynn B. Mon, May 18, 2009 3:24:39pm |
re: #166 callahan23
Charles,
are foreigners allowed to sign this petition, if so what type of zip code do I enter?
It's an internet petition. Your cat can sign it. Enter whatever zip code you want. Not sure what will happen to your signature afterwards, as this one doesn't show a list of who has signed. But signing it will take you to a page asking for a donation. Somehow, I think that's the main point.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, May 18, 2009 3:25:24pm |
re: #34 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You've noticed that PETA doesn't picket leather at biker bars.
Molly Ivins once did a throwaway paragraph on people kicking daschunds on the street during the world wars because they were German dogs.
She commented that you never see people like that kicking German shepherds.
Same principal. Little old ladies in mink coats are a much safer target.
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cgn38navy Mon, May 18, 2009 3:25:31pm |
re: #246 Fenway_Nation
My point is, you can't just pretend that people that you don't agree with don't exist. In the real word, we have two party system. Accept the rules for what they are and try to win the game!
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DEZes Mon, May 18, 2009 3:25:33pm |
re: #244 unrealizedviewpoint
My understanding is one could be as small as a central air conditioning unit as one might find on the side of ones home.
Those are refered to wrongly as suitcase nukes, A truck of 2 man nuke is closer.
The US and the soviets do have backpack nukes.
Come to think of it, the Soviets could sell those.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, May 18, 2009 3:26:42pm |
re: #237 Killian Bundy
William Ayers, Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. headline Mideast peace rally
/get under the damn bus Israel!
Fuckers.
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Sharmuta Mon, May 18, 2009 3:27:18pm |
re: #231 Charles
That's some really scary stuff. Some of them hate the Pope as much as they hate you. Stunning.
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MandyManners Mon, May 18, 2009 3:27:26pm |
I've written out every FCBBHO/ACORN/Ayers/Dohrn/et cet./et al. by hand--about 420. So far, I've sent 290 links to my alternate e-addy. Aside from picking up The Kid and grilling some burgers, that is ALL I've done today. Heck, I didn't even get the beds made. I hope I'll be done this time tomorrow. Then, I'll start in on my links about Islam--about 200 or so.
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bnichols10 Mon, May 18, 2009 3:27:33pm |
re: #249 sattv4u2
If you haven't read the book One second After yet I highly recommend it. The basic premise is that someone like Iran could load a relatively primitive nuke on to a ship and launch it from 100+ miles offshore. All they need to do is get it up into the air and over the US and the resulting EMP pulse would be far worse than any suitcase nuke in a city.
Take a look at the author's site for a more detailed explanation of what could happen.
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Eagle Mon, May 18, 2009 3:27:37pm |
re: #154 TheMatrix31
Can anyone suggest a nice cigar that I can get a box of for a Graduation gift for my best buddy? Not looking to spend more than $120, $130. I figure that SHOULD be good enough for a nicer box, but I'm no cigar expert at all.
Don Pepin Garcia Serie JJ..., one of my favorite. Box of 5 costs $90.00, in Florida. An expensive cigar that is actually worth the money. (see the bottom picture in the wiki link)
But then, cigars are all about personal taste anyway...
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 18, 2009 3:27:43pm |
re: #244 unrealizedviewpoint
My understanding is one could be as small as a central air conditioning unit as one might find on the side of ones home.
Even back in the 70's a tactical atomic (fission) device, as opposed to a nuclear (fusion) one, was small enough to fit into a medium sized suitcase and be light enough for a single person to carry with some difficulty. The refinement of firing and timing electronics have reduced the weight and size needed.
Atomic fission devices are what was dropped on Japan, fusion, AKA hydrogen, devices use a fission device to initiate the fusion process.
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zeebeach Mon, May 18, 2009 3:28:18pm |
re: #53 Shug
amd mutually assured destruction doesn't work with people expecting virgins
Which begs the question: why did EIT work with some of their tough guys? I don't think they all buy the virgin story when the rubber hits the pavement.
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Fenway_Nation Mon, May 18, 2009 3:28:36pm |
re: #254 cgn38navy
There's a difference between people acknowledging that there are people out there who believe delusions like the Jews were behind 9/11 or 0bama would govern from the center and encouraging politicans to pander to them.
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albusteve Mon, May 18, 2009 3:28:59pm |
re: #257 Sharmuta
That's some really scary stuff. Some of them hate the Pope as much as they hate you. Stunning.
John Wayne and Jimmy Stewart are next...bet me
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MandyManners Mon, May 18, 2009 3:29:04pm |
re: #237 Killian Bundy
William Ayers, Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. headline Mideast peace rally
/get under the damn bus Israel!
Great! Another freakin' link!
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opnion Mon, May 18, 2009 3:30:10pm |
re: #248 LGoPs
No, what I think you're doing is finding some dirt in the corner and proclaiming that the entire house is unclean.
It would not be realistic to think that the Ron Paul people & others are not trying to get influence in the Tea Parties. That is a long way from claiming that they are in control & therefore all of these people are kooks.
Any mass movement will get some undesirables.
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Bob Dillon Mon, May 18, 2009 3:30:19pm |
re: #1 zombie
Iran needs to be spayed and neukered.
Agreed - if this did not work ...
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Most effective solution for non-violent regime change out there - if Obama got behind this and pulled it off - I would be his biggest fan ...
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unrealizedviewpoint Mon, May 18, 2009 3:30:19pm |
re: #261 FurryOldGuyJeans
Even back in the 70's a tactical atomic (fission) device, as opposed to a nuclear (fusion) one, was small enough to fit into a medium sized suitcase and be light enough for a single person to carry with some difficulty. The refinement of firing and timing electronics have reduced the weight and size needed.
Atomic fission devices are what was dropped on Japan, fusion, AKA hydrogen, devices use a fission device to initiate the fusion process.
I've got a dear friend who's a total geek and that sounds right, just like what he's told me. :)
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, May 18, 2009 3:30:34pm |
re: #137 alegrias
OMG
Michael Scheuer said nothing would change if Israel and Palestine disappeared tomorrow.
on Fox news
Get this guy out of here!
What did he mean by that? Because if he meant that if the Israel/Palestinian conflict disappeared from the world stage NOW, the Middle East would not suddenly go all hearts and flowers (a theory much beloved by stupid people), then he's right.
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zeebeach Mon, May 18, 2009 3:30:35pm |
re: #262 zeebeach
Which begs the question: why did EIT work with some of their tough guys? I don't think they all buy the virgin story when the rubber hits the pavement.
Let me clarify - I agree with your original post. Suicidal psychopaths make the situation much more dangerous.
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DEZes Mon, May 18, 2009 3:30:43pm |
re: #261 FurryOldGuyJeans
Even back in the 70's a tactical atomic (fission) device, as opposed to a nuclear (fusion) one, was small enough to fit into a medium sized suitcase and be light enough for a single person to carry with some difficulty. The refinement of firing and timing electronics have reduced the weight and size needed.
Atomic fission devices are what was dropped on Japan, fusion, AKA hydrogen, devices use a fission device to initiate the fusion process.
linky?
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cgn38navy Mon, May 18, 2009 3:31:04pm |
re: #264 Fenway_Nation
I agree. I also don't believe that more than 10% of the people who were "paulians" in the last election cycle new of his racist connections. The only reason I found out, was I am a regular reader of LGF.
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SixDegrees Mon, May 18, 2009 3:31:19pm |
re: #227 sattv4u2
9/11 ,, and the possibility of "siutcase nukes"
Suitcase nukes are very, very tricky to build. They require serious high tech and a lot of skills to manufacture, far more than what's required to assemble a simple nuclear bomb. It is very unlikely that Iran would be able to manufacture anything of this nature, even if they had the fissile material required; they require high-grade plutonium. It's possible they could purchase such a thing, but Russia - and maybe China - would be the only likely source, and I doubt they would risk having their fingerprints on such a device in the hands of a regime whose loyalties and stability are somewhat questionable.
Iran with conventional nukes is enough for me to worry about. Suitcase nukes seem far beyond their reach.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, May 18, 2009 3:31:43pm |
re: #168 MrSilverDragon
The only one I know that should be on a stick is José Jalapeño.
And luckily, he is on a steeck.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 18, 2009 3:31:49pm |
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Chasing Zero Mon, May 18, 2009 3:31:53pm |
re: #235 albusteve
that would be cause for impeachment....bummer...he's just starting to get the economy shaped up too
That would require Pelosi to file Articles of Impeachment in the House (like that would ever happen). More likely, she starts a "Truth Commission" to burn the CIA on why they failed to prevent the attack from happening in the first place.
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sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 3:32:30pm |
re: #274 SixDegrees
It is very unlikely that Iran would be able to manufacture anything of this nature
Is it very unlikely that they could buy one on the black market !?!?
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Charles Johnson Mon, May 18, 2009 3:33:18pm |
I keep advising people who doubt Killgore Trout's posts about Ron Paul "activists" being involved in tea parties to go to Google News, set up a News alert for "ron paul tea party," and include all their sources (news and blogs).
You'll be amazed at how much stuff you get. People keep bashing KT for pointing this out, but he is not wrong about it. Paulians are deeply involved in the promotion and organization of these events.
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Randall Gross Mon, May 18, 2009 3:33:25pm |
Wooohoo! Our kindles are on order. Combined mother's day/father's day / anniversary gifts .
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 18, 2009 3:33:30pm |
re: #278 sattv4u2
It is very unlikely that Iran would be able to manufacture anything of this nature
Is it very unlikely that they could buy one on the black market !?!?
Or get one from a country overrun by Jihadis?
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sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 3:35:19pm |
re: #279 Charles
I keep advising people who doubt Killgore Trout's posts about Ron Paul "activists" being involved in tea parties to go to Google News, set up a News alert for "ron paul tea party," and include all their sources (news and blogs).
You'll be amazed at how much stuff you get. People keep bashing KT for pointing this out, but he is not wrong about it. Paulians are deeply involved in the promotion and organization of these events.
There is NO doubt that SOME Paulians have been involved in SOME Tea Parties. But just as some here try to deny Kilgore thjat fact, Kilgore denies the FACT that many Tea Parties are NOT Paulian events
IMHO
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 18, 2009 3:35:55pm |
re: #248 LGoPs
No, what I think you're doing is finding some dirt in the corner and proclaiming that the entire house is unclean.
Here are the hosts decapitating an effigy on a democratically elected Republican on stage as the crowd cheers.....
Tax Revolt Protest - Protestors CUT OFF HEADS of Effigies Wow!
Not really "some dirt in the corner" is it?
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brookly red Mon, May 18, 2009 3:35:57pm |
re: #278 sattv4u2
It is very unlikely that Iran would be able to manufacture anything of this nature
Is it very unlikely that they could buy one on the black market !?!?
I once drew 4 Kings in a hand of 5 card poker... that was unlikely too.
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loppyd Mon, May 18, 2009 3:36:10pm |
re: #279 Charles
He paints with a broad brush and cannot prove that all tea parties were organized and promoted by Paulians - because they weren't.
His agenda is clear.
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albusteve Mon, May 18, 2009 3:36:44pm |
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Randall Gross Mon, May 18, 2009 3:37:06pm |
re: #279 Charles
I keep advising people who doubt Killgore Trout's posts about Ron Paul "activists" being involved in tea parties to go to Google News, set up a News alert for "ron paul tea party," and include all their sources (news and blogs).
You'll be amazed at how much stuff you get. People keep bashing KT for pointing this out, but he is not wrong about it. Paulians are deeply involved in the promotion and organization of these events.
He's definitely not wrong. The fundies and Paulists are latching on to every populist cause they can. The real conservatives need to shake them off their coat tails if they want to have a voice that's listened to. If they don't they will be ignored and actively campaigned against from within their own party. Just like I campaigned against the idiot Sam Brownback.
For years the Socons have had their "litmus tests" now they are squealing like stuck hogs when they get applied to them.
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 18, 2009 3:37:16pm |
re: #279 Charles
Thanks, I know I derail a lot of threads with this stuff but I think it's important. I do sometimes exercise restraint.
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sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 3:37:28pm |
re: #285 brookly red
I once drew 4 Kings in a hand of 5 card poker... that was unlikely too.
someones shuffling skills SUCK!
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LGoPs Mon, May 18, 2009 3:38:21pm |
re: #242 loppyd
Some people actually went to a tea party and didn't sit in front of their computers all day and night searching for links to prove all of the tea parties were organized and endorsed by Paulians and Stormfront members, either.
Your armchair quarterbacking is beyond tedious.
I wish I had more dings for you. My wife and I went to one of those tax revolts and saw little sign of Paulians or Troofers. What we saw was decent concerned citizens protesting against government run amok. The most relaxed people there were the few police assigned to the event.
I did here some people talking about not feeding some baiters that had apparently been around earlier. There are no doubt some infiltrators that want to stir things up, capture it on video and then besmirch the whole event.
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albusteve Mon, May 18, 2009 3:39:07pm |
re: #286 loppyd
He paints with a broad brush and cannot prove that all tea parties were organized and promoted by Paulians - because they weren't.
His agenda is clear.
I'm interested in solutions...they are none coming from the pointers, who are opportunistic voters that believe BO is handling the economy properly...wtf?
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 18, 2009 3:39:13pm |
re: #284 Killgore Trout
I can't tell but is the chick doing the decapitation wearing a burka?
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Russkilitlover Mon, May 18, 2009 3:39:27pm |
re: #147 Killgore Trout
Interview with a Truther at yesterday's California Tea Party.....
If you'd like to skip the gibberish you can skip to 4:40 where he explains why he's attending the Tea Party.
5:30 another Truther with Obama's head on a stick
I've got to correct you on this. This was NOT a Tea Party. This was a Tax Revolt event planned by an LA radio talk station. The entire purpose was to direct a protest against Propositions 1A-1F in California. That some troofers showed up, is regrettable. But this was NOT a Tea Party, nor was it directed against the national government -only the State of California, Governor, Legislators, Republicans in particular. "Head's on a Stick" was the chant of their first California tax protest a couple of months ago.
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AuntAcid Mon, May 18, 2009 3:39:30pm |
re: Mexico's war on America
remember the ammo!
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SixDegrees Mon, May 18, 2009 3:39:53pm |
re: #278 sattv4u2
It is very unlikely that Iran would be able to manufacture anything of this nature
Is it very unlikely that they could buy one on the black market !?!?
From who? As noted, devices like this are extremely difficult to design and manufacture. The technology required to produce them is only possessed by a very few countries - the US, Russia and (maybe) China.
This is just not one of those things I can get excited about. It's very unlikely Iran can produce or obtain such a thing, and the size of the "suitcase" involved is more like a steamer trunk than the attache-case style so often seen in venues like "24". Hard to see how the somewhat smaller size would be any more convenient than something more conventional that might need to be moved around with a minivan.
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DEZes Mon, May 18, 2009 3:39:55pm |
re: #276 FurryOldGuyJeans
For what part? I smushed that down from a lot of book reading.
From my reading, the soviets claim to have true suit case nukes, but its unconfirmed.
The smallest the US claims to have weighs in at about 60 pounds.
Just wondering if you could shed some light on this.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, May 18, 2009 3:40:30pm |
re: #260 Eagle
Don Pepin Garcia Serie JJ..., one of my favorite. Box of 5 costs $90.00, in Florida. An expensive cigar that is actually worth the money. (see the bottom picture in the wiki link)
But then, cigars are all about personal taste anyway...
Thanks for the suggestion, Eagle. I wonder if I can find a place in LA that has them...
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debutaunt Mon, May 18, 2009 3:40:37pm |
re: #289 Killgore Trout
Thanks, I know I derail a lot of threads with this stuff but I think it's important. I do sometimes exercise restraint.
I haven't heard you tell anyone what should be done about your heads-up. It just seems like information for those who want to go to the parties.
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LGoPs Mon, May 18, 2009 3:41:25pm |
re: #279 Charles
I keep advising people who doubt Killgore Trout's posts about Ron Paul "activists" being involved in tea parties to go to Google News, set up a News alert for "ron paul tea party," and include all their sources (news and blogs).
You'll be amazed at how much stuff you get. People keep bashing KT for pointing this out, but he is not wrong about it. Paulians are deeply involved in the promotion and organization of these events.
Fine. That does not make the events themselves illegitimate. I don't subscribe to Paul or anyone near him and I saw no one that did. My participation is not invalidated because some nut is there. If that's the criteria then no protest will ever be legitimate.
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Randall Gross Mon, May 18, 2009 3:41:42pm |
re: #284 Killgore Trout
The Democrats couldn't run a more effective campaign against Republican party futures in California if they spent millions.
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sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 3:41:47pm |
re: #298 SixDegrees
From who? As noted, devices like this are extremely difficult to design and manufacture. The technology required to produce them is only possessed by a very few countries - the US, Russia and (maybe) China.
This is just not one of those things I can get excited about. It's very unlikely Iran can produce or obtain such a thing, and the size of the "suitcase" involved is more like a steamer trunk than the attache-case style so often seen in venues like "24". Hard to see how the somewhat smaller size would be any more convenient than something more conventional that might need to be moved around with a minivan.
Yeah, because we know no building was EVER blown up with something left in the back of a truck
oh ,,,,wait ,, nevahmind!
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loppyd Mon, May 18, 2009 3:42:01pm |
re: #301 Sharmuta
Verdict first, trial later.
And you have seen all the evidence presented by both sides and can render a verdict?
Please.
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cgn38navy Mon, May 18, 2009 3:42:13pm |
re: #279 Charles
I am unconvinced that more than a very small percentage of his fans are aware of his past racist connections. Similar to only a very small percentage of the country knew of some of Obama's past connections. To disregard an individual or a voting block because they are ignorant or disbelieving of negative statements about their chosen person (ron paul), is a path to failure. The same with some truther's. I know some very nice people who find it easier to believe in a massive government conspiracy than that a religion/people could hate us so much. And it strikes me as being kind of eliteist, judging them for their ignorance rather than working with them toward common goals.
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loppyd Mon, May 18, 2009 3:42:56pm |
re: #292 LGoPs
I wish I had more dings for you. My wife and I went to one of those tax revolts and saw little sign of Paulians or Troofers. What we saw was decent concerned citizens protesting against government run amok. The most relaxed people there were the few police assigned to the event.
I did here some people talking about not feeding some baiters that had apparently been around earlier. There are no doubt some infiltrators that want to stir things up, capture it on video and then besmirch the whole event.
Did they have scary yellow flags with scary snakes? Alert the DHS!
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Ringo the Gringo Mon, May 18, 2009 3:43:08pm |
re: #284 Killgore Trout
I know the girl in that video hacking off Arnold's head (I swear...She is the wife of one of my oldest friends) and I can tell you she is not a Ron Paul supporter, she a Democrat who voted for Barack Obama and is extremely liberal.
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Sharmuta Mon, May 18, 2009 3:43:23pm |
re: #306 loppyd
It's a line from Alice in Wonderland. Since the crowd was yelling "off with his head" I found it appropriate.
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zeebeach Mon, May 18, 2009 3:43:27pm |
re: #292 LGoPs
I wish I had more dings for you. My wife and I went to one of those tax revolts and saw little sign of Paulians or Troofers. What we saw was decent concerned citizens protesting against government run amok. The most relaxed people there were the few police assigned to the event.
I did here some people talking about not feeding some baiters that had apparently been around earlier. There are no doubt some infiltrators that want to stir things up, capture it on video and then besmirch the whole event.
That was my experience, as well. I wondered, after I read about all the Ron Paul infiltration here, if there is a geographical element at play? Here in Florida, I saw no sign of Ron Paul supporters, and, if I had, I wonder how they would have coerced me into a vote in the future?
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opnion Mon, May 18, 2009 3:44:29pm |
re: #308 loppyd
Did they have scary yellow flags with scary snakes? Alert the DHS!
"Lions & tigers & Tea party people, oh my!"
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albusteve Mon, May 18, 2009 3:44:38pm |
re: #289 Killgore Trout
Thanks, I know I derail a lot of threads with this stuff but I think it's important. I do sometimes exercise restraint.
yes it is important...now what?...if no national voice will denounce the Paulian influence in the tea parties, then what?...pointing out the influence to whatever degree is easy if you have the time, but you never think it through for a solution...one would assume you don't care about solutions and that's why people doubt your sincerity....it's like a hobby for you...fine...alot of us work and alot of us vote so now what is your solution...I'm giving you more credit than you deserve and not trying to trap you....not supporting conservative principles at the polls is not an option for me
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LGoPs Mon, May 18, 2009 3:44:41pm |
re: #308 loppyd
Did they have scary yellow flags with scary snakes? Alert the DHS!
Fuck. I had one. Since when is a symbol of this country's founding considered a threat?
/ I know you were being sarcastic.
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brookly red Mon, May 18, 2009 3:45:20pm |
re: #299 DEZes
From my reading, the soviets claim to have true suit case nukes, but its unconfirmed.
The smallest the US claims to have weighs in at about 60 pounds.
Just wondering if you could shed some light on this.
/60 pounds or 600 pounds... just wrap it cocaine and watch it sail right through.
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Spider Mensch Mon, May 18, 2009 3:45:20pm |
re: #296 Russkilitlover
I've got to correct you on this. This was NOT a Tea Party. This was a Tax Revolt event planned by an LA radio talk station. The entire purpose was to direct a protest against Propositions 1A-1F in California. That some troofers showed up, is regrettable. But this was NOT a Tea Party, nor was it directed against the national government -only the State of California, Governor, Legislators, Republicans in particular. "Head's on a Stick" was the chant of their first California tax protest a couple of months ago.
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SteveC Mon, May 18, 2009 3:45:28pm |
re: #279 Charles
I keep advising people who doubt Killgore Trout's posts about Ron Paul "activists" being involved in tea parties to go to Google News, set up a News alert for "ron paul tea party," and include all their sources (news and blogs).
You'll be amazed at how much stuff you get. People keep bashing KT for pointing this out, but he is not wrong about it. Paulians are deeply involved in the promotion and organization of these events.
Paul-bots tried to make their presence known at the South Carolina Republican Convention last week. There weren't enough of them to make any major inroads, but they certainly played hell with the process. It was almost as they were saying "Fair warning - we could own you guys if we wanted."
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cgn38navy Mon, May 18, 2009 3:45:35pm |
re: #307 cgn38navy
I just re-read that post. I sound like a hippy liberal, blowing in the wind. Sorry, everyone. Can't we all just get along?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 18, 2009 3:45:45pm |
re: #299 DEZes
From my reading, the soviets claim to have true suit case nukes, but its unconfirmed.
The smallest the US claims to have weighs in at about 60 pounds.
Just wondering if you could shed some light on this.
60 pounds is not all that unwieldy, but I have not concrete information, what I have gleaned is from reading a lot of books.
No matter what the device was, a atomic or nuclear event within the borders of the US would be a long lasting world destabilizing thing.
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SixDegrees Mon, May 18, 2009 3:45:58pm |
re: #305 sattv4u2
I'm missing your point, I think. For clarity: I'm saying that I very much doubt Iran has the ability to design or manufacture suitcase nukes, and that it also is extremely unlikely that they would be able to purchase such a thing. I am NOT saying that they would not be able to manufacture a working nuclear weapon. Although still not an easy task, that is probably well within their reach. Miniaturization, however, is quite likely so far beyond their grasp as to not be worth worrying about.
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Randall Gross Mon, May 18, 2009 3:46:26pm |
re: #309 Ringo the Gringo
I know the girl in that video hacking off Arnold's head (I swear...She is the wife of one of my oldest friends) and I can tell you she is not a Ron Paul supporter, she a Democrat who voted for Barack Obama and is extremely liberal.
Ringo: do you know what group is behind this or financing the rallies? I'm smelling someone who switched parties recently .... (starts with A)
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Cognito Mon, May 18, 2009 3:46:31pm |
I've been out and about, lately, and missed a lot of the Tea Party excitement around here.
Sounds like quite a to-do.
I'm not sure of all the details are, but from what I've gathered it seems like there's something noxious bubbling up from the schism in the country's political scene. No?
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Russkilitlover Mon, May 18, 2009 3:46:44pm |
re: #279 Charles
I keep advising people who doubt Killgore Trout's posts about Ron Paul "activists" being involved in tea parties to go to Google News, set up a News alert for "ron paul tea party," and include all their sources (news and blogs).
You'll be amazed at how much stuff you get. People keep bashing KT for pointing this out, but he is not wrong about it. Paulians are deeply involved in the promotion and organization of these events.
He was flat out wrong on the Tax Revolt event held at Tom's Farm in Corona yesterday. It was organized, promoted, and hosted by an LA talk radio show by 2 guys who are pissed off as all hell at the lying California State government and unions. It was a specific protest against our Propositions 1A-1F that we will vote on on Tuesday.
KT's posting this as a Tea Party event was disingenuous and misleading. Slopping posting.
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loppyd Mon, May 18, 2009 3:47:07pm |
re: #314 LGoPs
Fuck. I had one. Since when is a symbol of this country's founding considered a threat?
/ I know you were being sarcastic.
I mentioned this awhile back, but I carried one of those flags in my town's bicentennial celebration. I was six...and I cried because I hated snakes. Still do!
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DEZes Mon, May 18, 2009 3:47:24pm |
re: #315 brookly red
/60 pounds or 600 pounds... just wrap it cocaine and watch it sail right through.
And coffee.;)
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 18, 2009 3:47:27pm |
re: #302 debutaunt
I haven't heard you tell anyone what should be done about your heads-up. It just seems like information for those who want to go to the parties.
I've made suggestion before so I won't bother repeating them because nobody seems interested in doing anything about it anyways. Paulians, Truthers and White Nationalists would have absolutely no interest in a movement about real world fiscal responsibility. Signs promoting The Gold Standard and the Fair Tax would be unwelcome. You don't see people wearing Obama shits at these things do you? That's because they would be very unwelcome.
There are a lot of things you could do. I think the most important is exposing the insanity for what it is. People who want to do something constructive can figure it out on their own. It's not that difficult.
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Lincolntf Mon, May 18, 2009 3:48:53pm |
re: #296 Russkilitlover
Typical Killgore disinformation. I've found it wise to ignore such misrepresentations of reality.
The dude (KT) seems to get most of his info. on Tea Parties from Nazi websites. 'Nuff said.
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sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 3:49:11pm |
re: #320 SixDegrees
I'm missing your point, I think. For clarity: I'm saying that I very much doubt Iran has the ability to design or manufacture suitcase nukes, and that it also is extremely unlikely that they would be able to purchase such a thing. I am NOT saying that they would not be able to manufacture a working nuclear weapon. Although still not an easy task, that is probably well within their reach. Miniaturization, however, is quite likely so far beyond their grasp as to not be worth worrying about.
And MY point is that miniaturization does NOT have to be within their technical grasp, only their economical one! After the breakup of the Soviet Union, can anyone gauruntee that ALL their nukes are and have been accounted for? Can anyone gauruntee that ALL their scientists and engineers remained loyal to their "new" countries?
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DEZes Mon, May 18, 2009 3:49:28pm |
re: #319 FurryOldGuyJeans
60 pounds is not all that unwieldy, but I have not concrete information, what I have gleaned is from reading a lot of books.
No matter what the device was, a atomic or nuclear event within the borders of the US would be a long lasting world destabilizing thing.
Not gonna argue that any nuke going off as trivial.
I just think to many Hollywood myths persist.
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 18, 2009 3:49:42pm |
re: #309 Ringo the Gringo
I wasn't accusing her of being a Paulian, I was just wondering if she was wearing a hijab of something. On second though it was probably an executioners mask.
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Cognito Mon, May 18, 2009 3:49:44pm |
re: #327 Lincolntf
Typical Killgore disinformation. I've found it wise to ignore such misrepresentations of reality.
The dude (KT) seems to get most of his info. on Tea Parties from Nazi websites. 'Nuff said.
Again, I don't know much about the details of the Tea Party bidness, but I do know a crappy exaggeration when I see it.
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Randall Gross Mon, May 18, 2009 3:49:54pm |
Nevermind, looks like Howard Jarvis, and notice he has tea party films and dates on his site..
[Link: www.hjta.org...]
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Cognito Mon, May 18, 2009 3:50:05pm |
And Lincoln, I see one in your post. Just to be clear.
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 18, 2009 3:50:38pm |
re: #323 Russkilitlover
KT's posting this as a Tea Party event was disingenuous and misleading.
I thought is was accurate and very specific.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 18, 2009 3:51:06pm |
re: #328 sattv4u2
And MY point is that miniaturization does NOT have to be within their technical grasp, only their economical one! After the breakup of the Soviet Union, can anyone gauruntee that ALL their nukes are and have been accounted for? Can anyone gauruntee that ALL their scientists and engineers remained loyal to their "new" countries?
Wasn't there a Pakistani atomic/nuclear scientist or official in the news a while back for being a bit loose with nuke secrets?
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albusteve Mon, May 18, 2009 3:51:21pm |
re: #326 Killgore Trout
I've made suggestion before so I won't bother repeating them because nobody seems interested in doing anything about it anyways. Paulians, Truthers and White Nationalists would have absolutely no interest in a movement about real world fiscal responsibility. Signs promoting The Gold Standard and the Fair Tax would be unwelcome. You don't see people wearing Obama shits at these things do you? That's because they would be very unwelcome.
There are a lot of things you could do. I think the most important is exposing the insanity for what it is. People who want to do something constructive can figure it out on their own. It's not that difficult.
a real keyboard warrior....figure it out for yourself all the while condemning us for being conservatives and not doing enough to clean out the GOP....hahaha!....I work 40 hrs a week...you are as unrealistic as Ron Paul
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SixDegrees Mon, May 18, 2009 3:51:26pm |
re: #319 FurryOldGuyJeans
60 pounds is not all that unwieldy, but I have not concrete information, what I have gleaned is from reading a lot of books.
No matter what the device was, a atomic or nuclear event within the borders of the US would be a long lasting world destabilizing thing.
I agree. For similar reasons, I don't think there's any motivation to go to all the trouble of trying to miniaturize a nuke for use here. One ordinary size nuke - or even a large container packed with conventional explosives and partially-refined uranium - touched off anywhere in the Port of Los Angeles facility, say, would wreak havoc on the entire nation's economy.
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Sharmuta Mon, May 18, 2009 3:51:27pm |
re: #327 Lincolntf
Typical Killgore disinformation. I've found it wise to ignore such misrepresentations of reality.
The dude (KT) seems to get most of his info. on Tea Parties from Nazi websites. 'Nuff said.
That the nazi sites are promoting this doesn't bother you in the slightest?
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Lincolntf Mon, May 18, 2009 3:52:12pm |
re: #333 Cognito
Crystal.
Did you attend a Tea Party yourself?
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SteveC Mon, May 18, 2009 3:52:18pm |
Anyone want to buy a used TV? Mine blew up like a Roman Candle... police, fire trucks, smoke detectors going off, the whole nine yards.
Trust me, it's cheap!
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sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 3:52:21pm |
re: #336 FurryOldGuyJeans
Wasn't there a Pakistani atomic/nuclear scientist or official in the news a while back for being a bit loose with nuke secrets?
A.Q. Kahn.. some time ago. It was thought he was supplying Saddams engineers with info IIRC
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Cognito Mon, May 18, 2009 3:52:55pm |
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Russkilitlover Mon, May 18, 2009 3:53:24pm |
re: #335 Killgore Trout
I thought is was accurate and very specific.
No, you were wrong. Say it with me now.....w...r...o...n...g.
Here's the radio stations website. Click on John and Ken and learn all about Tax Revolt.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 18, 2009 3:53:48pm |
re: #338 SixDegrees
I agree. For similar reasons, I don't think there's any motivation to go to all the trouble of trying to miniaturize a nuke for use here. One ordinary size nuke - or even a large container packed with conventional explosives and partially-refined uranium - touched off anywhere in the Port of Los Angeles facility, say, would wreak havoc on the entire nation's economy.
I just won't rule out the possibility of a suitcase nuke being used, especially if it is one from the former Soviet Union. The possibilities of our blaming Putin for the strike would be worth the expense and effort of obtaining one.
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Lincolntf Mon, May 18, 2009 3:53:51pm |
re: #339 Sharmuta
If Nazi websites promoted a view that you held, would you renounce that view or denounce the Nazi's?
I choose to denounce the Nazi's (and their many enablers on the Web).
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SixDegrees Mon, May 18, 2009 3:54:07pm |
re: #327 Lincolntf
Typical Killgore disinformation. I've found it wise to ignore such misrepresentations of reality.
The dude (KT) seems to get most of his info. on Tea Parties from Nazi websites. 'Nuff said.
The fact that there is Tea Party information to be had on such sites is, all by itself, extremely disturbing.
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DEZes Mon, May 18, 2009 3:54:14pm |
re: #341 SteveC
Anyone want to buy a used TV? Mine blew up like a Roman Candle... police, fire trucks, smoke detectors going off, the whole nine yards.
Trust me, it's cheap!
Ill give you 20 bucks to keep it. ;)
You have damage to the home?
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Randall Gross Mon, May 18, 2009 3:54:54pm |
Here's the head of Howard Jarvis Taxpayer's association pimping tea partay:
[Link: www.hjta.org...]
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 18, 2009 3:55:05pm |
re: #342 sattv4u2
A.Q. Kahn.. some time ago. It was thought he was supplying Saddams engineers with info IIRC
Does that exclude he was supplying info to others as well? *cough*Iran*cough*
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sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 3:55:07pm |
re: #348 Lincolntf
Irrelevant? How?
"I don''t have to know what i'm talking about to know what i'm talking about"
//
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Lincolntf Mon, May 18, 2009 3:55:12pm |
re: #347 SixDegrees
If someone posted a link to LGF on a Nazi website, would you conclude that Charles was a Nazi?
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Sharmuta Mon, May 18, 2009 3:55:18pm |
re: #346 Lincolntf
If Nazi websites promoted a view that you held, would you renounce that view or denounce the Nazi's?
I choose to denounce the Nazi's (and their many enablers on the Web).
That's not true- you choose to shoot the messenger.
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Cognito Mon, May 18, 2009 3:55:38pm |
re: #348 Lincolntf
Irrelevant? How?
Irrelevant in that I'm not talking about Tea Parties. If I recall, I specifically said, "I don't know much about the details of the Tea Party bidness."
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LGoPs Mon, May 18, 2009 3:56:38pm |
re: #337 albusteve
a real keyboard warrior....figure it out for yourself all the while condemning us for being conservatives and not doing enough to clean out the GOP....hahaha!....I work 40 hrs a week...you are as unrealistic as Ron Paul
Home run. The other day some lizard asked what KT's solutions were to our economic problems since all he was doing was criticizing and his answer was something along the lines of 'try what's worked before'. I'm paraphrasing but that was the gist and it was the equivalent of blah, blah, blah.......
He's a long range sniper that just takes pot shots at people trying to do something.
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Digital Display Mon, May 18, 2009 3:56:42pm |
Good Evening Lizards..Hope you are all well..I don't care crap about tea parties or Ron Paul the dumbass..
But keeping true to the background story..Everybody listed the worst songs in the world today..
What is your favorite song..I have a few that make the hair on the back of my neck standup..EVERY SINGLE TIME!
So lizards..Your favorite song..or top 5 if you please...
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loppyd Mon, May 18, 2009 3:56:49pm |
re: #339 Sharmuta
That the nazi sites are promoting this doesn't bother you in the slightest?
Did you go to a tea party? Have you listened to any of the anecdotes from people who did?
Just because KT finds links to Nazi sites who want to leach off of this movement doesn't make it their movement.
I suppose we should just pack up and scrap the whole thing then, right? Maybe start to attend moderates only rallies and do background checks on every person in attendance?
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Sharmuta Mon, May 18, 2009 3:56:59pm |
re: #353 Lincolntf
If someone posted a link to LGF on a Nazi website, would you conclude that Charles was a Nazi?
If nazis were to post a link to LGF on their forums, it would be to denounce Charles, not support him. Your analogy doesn't hold because they're not denouncing the tea parties- they are promoting them.
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sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 3:57:01pm |
re: #356 Cognito
Irrelevant in that I'm not talking about Tea Parties. If I recall, I specifically said, "I don't know much about the details of the Tea Party bidness."
Preceded by
I'm not sure of all the details are, but from what I've gathered it seems like there's something noxious bubbling up from the schism in the country's political scene.
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SteveC Mon, May 18, 2009 3:57:39pm |
re: #349 DEZes
Ill give you 20 bucks to keep it. ;)
You have damage to the home?
Thankfully, very little. A couple of scorches and the joint smells like a bar-b-que. But there was a LOT of smoke, which set off the smoke detector, which is wired into the security system, which brought the police and the fire department.... and you can figure the rest!
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Cognito Mon, May 18, 2009 3:57:41pm |
re: #361 sattv4u2
Best not to insert yourself into a conversation, if you haven't properly followed it.
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KingKenrod Mon, May 18, 2009 3:57:43pm |
re: #322 Cognito
I've been out and about, lately, and missed a lot of the Tea Party excitement around here.
Sounds like quite a to-do.
I'm not sure of all the details are, but from what I've gathered it seems like there's something noxious bubbling up from the schism in the country's political scene. No?
Zealotry is nothing that hasn't happened before. I posted this link in the last thread, a report about the religious right's resurgence in the GOP after Clinton was elected in 1992:
[Link: www.theocracywatch.org...]
History repeats itself. This is what happens when a party suffers a big defeat - the anger about a lack of vision and leadership bubbles up and the finger pointing and side-taking starts...it will end when we get some leaders who can find common ground.
Sane voices need to get involved. Whining and posting on the internet does not equal involvement.
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Lincolntf Mon, May 18, 2009 3:57:57pm |
re: #354 Sharmuta
Who got shot? I'm dealing with events that I witnessed, speech that I heard, and subsequent exchanges that reinforced my view that the people involved in the TP that I'm involved with are fiscal conservatives who wouldn't know Geerts Wilder from Gene Wilder.
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sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 3:58:09pm |
re: #363 Cognito
Best not to insert yourself into a conversation, if you haven't properly followed it.
Best not assume what I have been or not been doing!
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Cognito Mon, May 18, 2009 3:58:37pm |
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justdanny Mon, May 18, 2009 3:59:13pm |
Iran has been the first point of study for me for several years now. Whether we attack it or not makes no difference to the fact that only by barricading/blockading it can we tame it.
We cant even and wont even barricade our border with Mexico. If we attack it and do not blockade it, we will lose. If we dont attack it and do not blockade it, we will lose.
Other than literally destroying every inch of it with a bunch of nuclear therapy, blockading it is the only solution. And we do not have the sense to do that.
Jimmah Carter is histories greatest pusillanimous.
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DEZes Mon, May 18, 2009 3:59:37pm |
re: #362 SteveC
Thankfully, very little. A couple of scorches and the joint smells like a bar-b-que. But there was a LOT of smoke, which set off the smoke detector, which is wired into the security system, which brought the police and the fire department.... and you can figure the rest!
Some luck there then, and no one is hurt.
It wont help much, but......
Upding.
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sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 3:59:41pm |
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Bloodnok Mon, May 18, 2009 3:59:42pm |
re: #348 Lincolntf
Irrelevant? How?
It's irrelevant in that one did not have to go to one to read the numerous articles and links that show that these events are being used by White Nationalists and Paul supporters to mainstream those ideas, and make a decision after reading them.
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Throbert McGee Mon, May 18, 2009 4:00:03pm |
re: #45 brookly red
They don't really even need to use a nuke to F'up the world, they just need to have one and wave it around like a drunk with a gun...
Personally, I think that the "waving the nuke around like a drunk" scenario is in fact a kajillion times more likely than that they'd attempt to detonate the nuke in or over a U.S. city.
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SixDegrees Mon, May 18, 2009 4:00:27pm |
re: #328 sattv4u2
And MY point is that miniaturization does NOT have to be within their technical grasp, only their economical one! After the breakup of the Soviet Union, can anyone gauruntee that ALL their nukes are and have been accounted for? Can anyone gauruntee that ALL their scientists and engineers remained loyal to their "new" countries?
This sort of speculation veges on paranoia. Again: it's not something I'm going to lose any sleep over. But please let me know if you run across any actual evidence of such loss of control. Meanwhile, obsessing over the extremely unlikely doesn't strike me as productive. It will always be possible to concoct some ever more bizarrely unlikely scenario that explains away any rational analysis.
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Sharmuta Mon, May 18, 2009 4:00:29pm |
re: #365 Lincolntf
You attack Killgore instead of the nazis. Clearly- Mr Trout is a much graver concern to the tea party agenda (whatever that is) than nazis.
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Cognito Mon, May 18, 2009 4:00:54pm |
re: #374 Sharmuta
You attack Killgore instead of the nazis. Clearly- Mr Trout is a much graver concern to the tea party agenda (whatever that is) than nazis.
"Mr Trout" is great.
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sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 4:00:57pm |
re: #341 SteveC
Anyone want to buy a used TV? Mine blew up like a Roman Candle... police, fire trucks, smoke detectors going off, the whole nine yards.
Trust me, it's cheap!
Have an electrician check out that circuit
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Randall Gross Mon, May 18, 2009 4:01:24pm |
Here's the same people pimping the Michigan tea party
[Link: miteaparty.com...]
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loppyd Mon, May 18, 2009 4:02:03pm |
re: #371 Bloodnok
It's irrelevant in that one did not have to go to one to read the numerous articles and links that show that these events are being used by White Nationalists and Paul supporters to mainstream those ideas, and make a decision after reading them.
They can try all they want. They will fail.
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Ringo the Gringo Mon, May 18, 2009 4:02:04pm |
re: #321 Thanos
Ringo: do you know what group is behind this or financing the rallies? I'm smelling someone who switched parties recently .... (starts with A)
The rally in Killgore's video link was sponsored by KFI AM, a talk radio station in Los Angeles, and was hosted by John and Ken, two angry loudmouths who's have a local radio program.
Here's a link to the Tea Party I attended. There were a few (5-10) people with Ron Paul signs, but there was definately a strong Libertarian vibe in the crowd, and even more so from the stage.
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SixDegrees Mon, May 18, 2009 4:02:05pm |
re: #345 FurryOldGuyJeans
I just won't rule out the possibility of a suitcase nuke being used, especially if it is one from the former Soviet Union. The possibilities of our blaming Putin for the strike would be worth the expense and effort of obtaining one.
I haven't ruled it out, either. I just think that the possibility of such a thing happening is miniscule to the point of being ridiculous.
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sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 4:02:41pm |
re: #373 SixDegrees
This sort of speculation veges on paranoia. Again: it's not something I'm going to lose any sleep over. But please let me know if you run across any actual evidence of such loss of control. Meanwhile, obsessing over the extremely unlikely doesn't strike me as productive. It will always be possible to concoct some ever more bizarrely unlikely scenario that explains away any rational analysis.
Took all of 3 seconds
[Link: www.encyclopedia.com...]
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researchok Mon, May 18, 2009 4:02:56pm |
re: #289 Killgore Trout
Thanks, I know I derail a lot of threads with this stuff but I think it's important. I do sometimes exercise restraint.
There is no need for 'restraint' in warning of an oncoming train.
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brookly red Mon, May 18, 2009 4:03:57pm |
re: #372 Throbert McGee
Personally, I think that the "waving the nuke around like a drunk" scenario is in fact a kajillion times more likely than that they'd attempt to detonate the nuke in or over a U.S. city.
instant street cred...
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 18, 2009 4:04:00pm |
re: #380 SixDegrees
I haven't ruled it out, either. I just think that the possibility of such a thing happening is miniscule to the point of being ridiculous.
And experts used to say that the idea of using airliners as missiles was ridiculous as well.
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Killian Bundy Mon, May 18, 2009 4:04:14pm |
Six hours left to reach a budget deal and what pressing issue is the Minnesota legislature currently dealing with?
/medical marijuana
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sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 4:04:19pm |
re: #373 SixDegrees
re: #381 sattv4u2
Took all of 3 seconds
[Link: www.encyclopedia.com...]
or ,,
[Link: www.janes.com...]
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sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 4:04:39pm |
re: #385 Killian Bundy
Six hours left to reach a budget deal and what pressing issue is the Minnesota legislature currently dealing with?
/medical marijuana
Smoke em if you got em
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 18, 2009 4:05:08pm |
re: #385 Killian Bundy
Six hours left to reach a budget deal and what pressing issue is the Minnesota legislature currently dealing with?
/medical marijuana
Why worry about money when you can get high?
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Digital Display Mon, May 18, 2009 4:05:36pm |
re: #376 sattv4u2
Have an electrician check out that circuit
You haven't lived till a backplane blows up on you..
Years ago I had a monitor burst into flames on me..I ran in circles screaming like a little girl till I finally put it out.
Lucky for America i never wanted to be a fireman...
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Alberta Oil Peon Mon, May 18, 2009 4:05:40pm |
re: #25 Charles
The scary scenario is not that they might be able to do it with a ballistic missile, but the much more likely possibility that they'll hand off a nuclear bomb (or more than one) to a terrorist group who will smuggle it into the US.
New Avatar is cool.
Maybe you could Photoshop a few bullet holes into the brickwork.
/
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Russkilitlover Mon, May 18, 2009 4:05:53pm |
Yeah, let's discount protests and just hang about and bitch, moan and rail about what the "Party" should do, needs to do, must do, blah, blah, blah. These folks (at the CALIFORNIA directed Tax Revolt protest) have had enough. I say good on 'em.
Over 15,000 California taxpayers screaming, "Can you hear us, Sacramento?"
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DEZes Mon, May 18, 2009 4:07:18pm |
re: #389 HoosierHoops
You haven't lived till a backplane blows up on you..
Years ago I had a monitor burst into flames on me..I ran in circles screaming like a little girl till I finally put it out.
Lucky for America i never wanted to be a fireman...
You will be of no use when I BBQ. ;)
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LGoPs Mon, May 18, 2009 4:07:23pm |
re: #382 researchok
There is no need for 'restraint' in warning of an oncoming train.
Yeah but perpective is also important. If your proctologist is the only doctor you go to then you're likely to think that things are pretty shitty.
/
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Digital Display Mon, May 18, 2009 4:07:57pm |
re: #358 HoosierHoops
Good Evening Lizards..Hope you are all well..I don't care crap about tea parties or Ron Paul the dumbass..
But keeping true to the background story..Everybody listed the worst songs in the world today..
What is your favorite song..I have a few that make the hair on the back of my neck standup..EVERY SINGLE TIME!
So lizards..Your favorite song..or top 5 if you please...
Come on! Nobody has got a favorite song?
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SixDegrees Mon, May 18, 2009 4:08:03pm |
re: #359 loppyd
Just because KT finds links to Nazi sites who want to leach off of this movement doesn't make it their movement.
I don't think anyone is saying that. There is a very real danger in not repudiating these groups, however. This time next year, with the midterm elections moving into high gear and the GOP already in the hole, what do you think will happen when the press "suddenly" discovers that "GOP candidates are being funded by neo-Nazis!"
Far better to get those denunciations out there on record, now. Wise, too, to let some of these groups know, very publicly, that their views are not welcome, either at these events or within the Republican Party.
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DEZes Mon, May 18, 2009 4:08:37pm |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 18, 2009 4:09:52pm |
Why would the Iranians worry when Obama is hell-bent on emasculating our nuclear response:
Obama expects positive Iranian response
On Iran, Obama declared a readiness to seek deeper international sanctions against the Islamic Republic if it shunned U.S. attempts to open negotiations on its nuclear program. Washington and many key allies contend Iran is trying to build a nuclear weapon.
"The important thing is to make sure there is a clear timetable, at which point we say these talks don't seem to be making any clear progress," Obama said. "If that hasn't taken place I think the international community will see that it's ... Iran itself that is isolating themselves."
Expect all you want, Mr. President, the Mullahs are laughing at you.
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SixDegrees Mon, May 18, 2009 4:10:44pm |
re: #381 sattv4u2
Took all of 3 seconds
[Link: www.encyclopedia.com...]
I see you've once again confused warheads with miniaturization. I don't know how to make my words any clearer; perhaps you should simply go back and read what I've written with attention.
I see, too, that there is no verification in sight, even in this instance.
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Killian Bundy Mon, May 18, 2009 4:12:05pm |
re: #388 FurryOldGuyJeans
Why worry about money when you can get high?
I hope they keep it up. Pawlenty's already told the Bonkeys that he's not going to call a special session and just use his Executive powers to balance the budget.
/no tax increases, no new spending, enough is enough, Minnesota will be one state that lives within it's current tax base
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Sharmuta Mon, May 18, 2009 4:12:48pm |
re: #395 SixDegrees
I don't think anyone is saying that. There is a very real danger in not repudiating these groups, however. This time next year, with the midterm elections moving into high gear and the GOP already in the hole, what do you think will happen when the press "suddenly" discovers that "GOP candidates are being funded by neo-Nazis!"
Far better to get those denunciations out there on record, now. Wise, too, to let some of these groups know, very publicly, that their views are not welcome, either at these events or within the Republican Party.
Hear, hear!
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TheMatrix31 Mon, May 18, 2009 4:13:15pm |
re: #394 HoosierHoops
Come on! Nobody has got a favorite song?
I can't even BEGIN to compose a top 5. Here are 5 of what would probably be in my Top 100, though....
Bad Religion - Anesthesia
Metallica - Blackened
Dire Straits - Sultans of Swing
Bad Religion - Generator
Pearl Jam - Black
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DEZes Mon, May 18, 2009 4:13:32pm |
re: #398 FurryOldGuyJeans
Why would the Iranians worry when Obama is hell-bent on emasculating our nuclear response:
Obama expects positive Iranian response
Expect all you want, Mr. President, the Mullahs are laughing at you.
Obama scares the shit outta me.
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loppyd Mon, May 18, 2009 4:13:44pm |
re: #395 SixDegrees
I don't think anyone is saying that. There is a very real danger in not repudiating these groups, however. This time next year, with the midterm elections moving into high gear and the GOP already in the hole, what do you think will happen when the press "suddenly" discovers that "GOP candidates are being funded by neo-Nazis!"
Far better to get those denunciations out there on record, now. Wise, too, to let some of these groups know, very publicly, that their views are not welcome, either at these events or within the Republican Party.
Who isn't repudiating? If I had come across a Nazi at one of those rallies I would have told them to leave. I think I would have had plenty of company in doing so.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 18, 2009 4:13:51pm |
re: #400 Killian Bundy
I hope they keep it up. Pawlenty's already told the Bonkeys that he's not going to call a special session and just use his Executive powers to balance the budget.
/no tax increases, no new spending, enough is enough, Minnesota will be one state that lives within it's current tax base
Is Pawlenty a YEC? I have heard a lot about the man lately and most of it, once you filter out the FMSM bias, seems to be quite positive to this independent conservative.
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brookly red Mon, May 18, 2009 4:14:00pm |
And while we are all watching Iran build nukes, are they still playing with chem & bio also?
just asking.
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Randall Gross Mon, May 18, 2009 4:14:13pm |
re: #396 Iron Fist
Did I say that? What's your fucking problem IF?
I said that the range stated in the video seems overstated. Do you have facts to counter with?
I did not say that I disagreed with the vid, I do agree with it mostly.
I like messages to be effective. If you overstate you weaken your message.
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Digital Display Mon, May 18, 2009 4:14:14pm |
re: #402 pingjockey
Good man!
Fav song pick
/I don't like the Stones that much..But that doesn't matter
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SixDegrees Mon, May 18, 2009 4:14:58pm |
re: #396 Iron Fist
So you are OK with them nuking Israel? Or Saudi Arabia? How about expanding Iranian Hegemony throughout the middle east under a nuclear umbrella than none would dare to really do anything to stop?
These are all possible results of a nuclear Iran. All of them threaten American National Security to one degree or another, yet none of theminvolve Iran lobbing a nuclear-tipped missile at the Continental United States.
I agree that these are legitimate concerns. In the video, however, the speaker explicitly states that Iran may have nuclear warheads and may be able to hit the US with missiles equipped with them, and then immediately states that their aim is to destroy Israel and the United States. Although I agree with the sentiments, overstatement like this isn't all that helpful. As you point out, there are imminent threats that are much more plausible already on the table.
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Killian Bundy Mon, May 18, 2009 4:15:13pm |
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pingjockey Mon, May 18, 2009 4:15:17pm |
re: #410 HoosierHoops
Hey, it's only rock and roll....but I like it...
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Charles Johnson Mon, May 18, 2009 4:15:54pm |
re: #407 FurryOldGuyJeans
Is Pawlenty a YEC? I have heard a lot about the man lately and most of it, once you filter out the FMSM bias, seems to be quite positive to this independent conservative.
Pawlenty is in favor of teaching "intelligent design" creationism in schools.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Lincolntf Mon, May 18, 2009 4:16:25pm |
re: #374 Sharmuta
You got a Nazi for me to "attack" (bit of an overstatement there)?
There were none at the T.P., so I figured I'd address the guy spreading their message here.
I understand that people rapidly entrenched themselves vis a vis the Tea Parties, and the reality of the events never changed a single person's mind. But the idea is to deal with "facts", not Internet gobbledygook being pushed by the Nazi's.
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Nevergiveup Mon, May 18, 2009 4:16:58pm |
Netanyahu said that the two discussed the currently proposed Arab League initiative, "but only in regards to the markedly more positive spirit displayed by Arab nations compared to the 'Three Nos' adopted in the Khartoum Conference, nothing beyond that."
[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]
Did anyone else catch this. These 2 "geniuses" are discussing the "Three Nos"? Helllooo? It was 40 years ago! G-D help us all!
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pingjockey Mon, May 18, 2009 4:17:06pm |
re: #412 SixDegrees
The Iranians don't have the capability, yet. To mate a warhead with a missle that'll reach the US. They can hit Israel, the Suadi, Kuwati, oil fields, block the Straits of Hormuz.
| 419 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 18, 2009 4:17:08pm |
re: #413 Killian Bundy
/if he is, he pretty much keeps it to himself
So he is like Palin in that respect, eh? Again, if he is.
I can live with that, but not being a YEC would be better.
| 420 |
Sharmuta Mon, May 18, 2009 4:17:33pm |
re: #406 loppyd
Who isn't repudiating? If I had come across a Nazi at one of those rallies I would have told them to leave. I think I would have had plenty of company in doing so.
And I don't doubt it, but how well tuned are we all to nazi entryism? They're using similar techniques to the euro-fascists. We need to be on guard. Killgore has even posted comments from their forums saying they're specifically toning it down. But instead of everyone agreeing we should be watchful for this element- they attack Killgore for even pointing it out.
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sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 4:17:50pm |
re: #399 SixDegrees
Those were mearly examples that there ARE missing nukes and ARE missing materials to make nukes and ARE people willing to sell their expertise. I have nerve stated that Iran (nor anyone else) HAS a device at the ready to be deployed against us. (hede your own advice
perhaps you should simply go back and read what I've written with attention.
)
All I had to do was google "MISSING SOVIET NUKES". I could have just as easily replaced that with Pakistani, or US for that matter.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 18, 2009 4:18:31pm |
re: #415 Charles
Pawlenty is in favor of teaching "intelligent design" creationism in schools.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
I guess the list we talked about earlier listing non-YECers really is short.
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DEZes Mon, May 18, 2009 4:18:35pm |
re: #408 brookly red
And while we are all watching Iran build nukes, are they still playing with chem & bio also?
just asking.
Wasnt that far in the past, MSN and the Dems were telling us that Iran was not trying to build nukes, only peaceful generators.
Bush was just beating his war drums.
As to your question, I have no clue, but I would think that if they are, its secondary to them, they have their eyes on the big prize.
| 425 |
Cognito Mon, May 18, 2009 4:19:06pm |
Man. A bit of testiness in the room, this evening.
A certain... piquant... flavor.0
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doppelganglander Mon, May 18, 2009 4:19:11pm |
re: #379 Ringo the Gringo
The rally in Killgore's video link was sponsored by KFI AM, a talk radio station in Los Angeles, and was hosted by John and Ken, two angry loudmouths who's have a local radio program.
Here's a link to the Tea Party I attended. There were a few (5-10) people with Ron Paul signs, but there was definately a strong Libertarian vibe in the crowd, and even more so from the stage.
I didn't realize these are the same John and Ken that I used to listen to in New Jersey in the early '90s. They were behind Hands Across New Jersey, a protest against Jim Florio's tax hikes. According to Wiki (and the Washington Post), it was the largest rally in NJ history.
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Nevergiveup Mon, May 18, 2009 4:19:16pm |
re: #421 sattv4u2
Those were mearly examples that there ARE missing nukes and ARE missing materials to make nukes and ARE people willing to sell their expertise. I have nerve stated that Iran (nor anyone else) HAS a device at the ready to be deployed against us. (hede your own advice
)
All I had to do was google "MISSING SOVIET NUKES". I could have just as easily replaced that with Pakistani, or US for that matter.
USA? Off the coast of South Carolina.
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Sharmuta Mon, May 18, 2009 4:19:40pm |
re: #425 Cognito
Man. A bit of testiness in the room, this evening.
A certain... piquant... flavor.0
About to turn on some Mozart. Have you tried Pandora, Cog?
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IslandLibertarian Mon, May 18, 2009 4:20:21pm |
re: #394 HoosierHoops
Come on! Nobody has got a favorite song?
Todays R&B(?) don't come close................
| 430 |
sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 4:20:24pm |
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Digital Display Mon, May 18, 2009 4:20:34pm |
re: #425 Cognito
Man. A bit of testiness in the room, this evening.
A certain... piquant... flavor.0
So Cog..What is your favorite song in the world? Take a little break..
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Nevergiveup Mon, May 18, 2009 4:20:36pm |
Bill Clinton to Be Named U.N. Special Envoy to Haiti
Bill Clinton's spokesman said Monday the former president will be named special U.N. envoy to Haiti.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Hide the women and young girls.
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Cognito Mon, May 18, 2009 4:20:40pm |
re: #428 Sharmuta
About to turn on some Mozart. Have you tried Pandora, Cog?
I have. I like it, but somehow I never think to use it, really. In the same way it never occurs to me to send text messages.
Maybe I'm too old.
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Lincolntf Mon, May 18, 2009 4:20:51pm |
re: #424 Sharmuta
Nor is attempting to marginalize a bunch of hard-working Americans who feel like Washington DC takes them for granted and pushes them around like little pawns on a social-engineering chessboard.
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Nevergiveup Mon, May 18, 2009 4:21:31pm |
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loppyd Mon, May 18, 2009 4:21:47pm |
re: #420 Sharmuta
And I don't doubt it, but how well tuned are we all to nazi entryism? They're using similar techniques to the euro-fascists. We need to be on guard. Killgore has even posted comments from their forums saying they're specifically toning it down. But instead of everyone agreeing we should be watchful for this element- they attack Killgore for even pointing it out.
Because it is overkill and overblown and his thinly veiled insinuations that we are somehow akin to Nazis or Paulians for either attending or supporting the tea parties is offensive.
Do you seriously think that people will welcome Nazis into this movement?
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DEZes Mon, May 18, 2009 4:22:11pm |
re: #428 Sharmuta
About to turn on some Mozart. Have you tried Pandora, Cog?
A classical music lover.
I knew I liked you. ;)
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LGoPs Mon, May 18, 2009 4:22:24pm |
re: #420 Sharmuta
And I don't doubt it, but how well tuned are we all to nazi entryism? They're using similar techniques to the euro-fascists. We need to be on guard. Killgore has even posted comments from their forums saying they're specifically toning it down. But instead of everyone agreeing we should be watchful for this element- they attack Killgore for even pointing it out.
And I'll be watchful too and call them on it if I see them, just like loopyd. But in the meantime, these demonstrations are a healthy sign of democracy in action and refreshingly so since it's the only time in my lifetime that I've seen the right demonstrating. I'm fed up with the left having a monopoly on demonstrations while we just sit quietly at home.
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Lincolntf Mon, May 18, 2009 4:22:34pm |
re: #435 Lincolntf
PIMF.
I meant to include the word "solution" as opposed to "problem" in that rather clumsy post.
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Sharmuta Mon, May 18, 2009 4:22:35pm |
re: #434 Cognito
I have. I like it, but somehow I never think to use it, really. In the same way it never occurs to me to send text messages.
Maybe I'm too old.
Pull up another window or tab- turn it on. I've made a habit of it, and it's nice.
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Nevergiveup Mon, May 18, 2009 4:22:56pm |
I just switched from Time Warner to Fios. My Internet is much faster and I have more cable stations in more rooms for alot less money.
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rightymouse Mon, May 18, 2009 4:23:12pm |
re: #374 Sharmuta
You attack Killgore instead of the nazis. Clearly- Mr Trout is a much graver concern to the tea party agenda (whatever that is) than nazis.
I find his misrepresentation of the California Tax Revolt as a tea party with the implication that right-wingers were hacking off heads and hanging effigies, deeply disconcerting.
His pronouncements on economics, for which he has no admitted background, are also disconcerting.
He pretty much opens up himself to the WTF reactions of posters at times.
Otherwise, I'm sure he means well.
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pingjockey Mon, May 18, 2009 4:23:34pm |
re: #436 Nevergiveup
Depending on the depth of the water recovery would be difficult at best. I would think the US military keeps an eye on the area too.
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Lincolntf Mon, May 18, 2009 4:24:42pm |
re: #438 loppyd
After hearing all of this blah, blah, blah about Nazi's at Tea Parties, I'm half hoping one shows up at our next one.
I'll take out all of my frustrations on the first skinhead I see. So maybe Killgore does serve a purpose.
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sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 4:24:58pm |
re: #444 rightymouse
Otherwise, I'm sure he means well.
"Aside from that, how did you like the play, Mrs Lincoln?"
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Nevergiveup Mon, May 18, 2009 4:25:21pm |
re: #445 pingjockey
Depending on the depth of the water recovery would be difficult at best. I would think the US military keeps an eye on the area too.
Actually from I read it wasn't really all that deep but they say they
1) they never found it
or
2) There wasn't a load nuclear weapon on board?
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Bloodnok Mon, May 18, 2009 4:26:02pm |
re: #444 rightymouse
I find his misrepresentation of the California Tax Revolt as a tea party with the implication that right-wingers were hacking off heads and hanging effigies, deeply disconcerting.
His pronouncements on economics, for which he has no admitted background, are also disconcerting.
He pretty much opens up himself to the WTF reactions of posters at times.
Otherwise, I'm sure he means well.
We are all qualified to voice our opinions on whatever we see fit.
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Randall Gross Mon, May 18, 2009 4:26:51pm |
re: #446 Iron Fist
Yeah, and it's punkass debating technique to stuff words in someone's mouth and then come back and change the subject when challenged on it.
Consider your strawman incinerated, because I never said what you implied.
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pingjockey Mon, May 18, 2009 4:27:12pm |
re: #449 Nevergiveup
I don't remember. I thought it was off of the continental shelf which would make the water over 10k feet deep. I don't think it has ben recovered. Saw something on the history channel about it.
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Killian Bundy Mon, May 18, 2009 4:27:17pm |
French pen new military theory
The country's generals, worried French thinking on warfare came to a halt about the time of Agincourt, have embarked on a campaign to restore the reputation of their troops by encouraging them to get into print.
The search began at the weekend when the army's training command leader General Pierre Garrigou Grandchamp put on the first French army book fair in an effort to get soldiers to ditch the internet in favour of the pen.
Those in uniform who have a secret sensitive side are free to write poetry or novels, but the main aim is to encourage works on la strategie militaire, adding the pen to France's sword, hence the title of the two-day event in Tours, central France - La Plume et l'Epee - which brought together military and civilian specialist authors.
Honour is at stake - but so is the defence of the West, according to the army's training command, which is running the campaign to find new ideas that might triumph in today's "asymmetric" warfare against insurgents.
/not The Onion
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Charles Johnson Mon, May 18, 2009 4:27:42pm |
Question for you folks who keep saying you didn't see any Nazis at your tea parties...
Do you think they're going to be wearing SS uniforms?
I've seen posts at neo-Nazi websites in which they advise going undercover -- leaving the Doc Martins at home, covering up the tattoos, folding up the Confederate flags. They say the people at the tea party protests are just ripe to hear their "message," because they're all ... white. They tell each other not to start raving about white nationalism right away, but to ease into it.
I'm not making that up. Neo-Nazi groups are looking at the tea parties as ripe areas for recruitment.
Fact.
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Cognito Mon, May 18, 2009 4:27:52pm |
re: #432 HoosierHoops
So Cog..What is your favorite song in the world? Take a little break..
Gosh, that's a big question.
I think I tend to associate different favorite songs with different parts of my life -- there's a part that's inextricably entwined with pretty much anything by Eric Clapton, from the Yardbirds clear through to the acoustic blues stuff.
And my brain loves Mozart's Serenade for Winds.
But my gut loves the Allman Bros.
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Russkilitlover Mon, May 18, 2009 4:27:52pm |
re: #416 Lincolntf
You got a Nazi for me to "attack" (bit of an overstatement there)?
There were none at the T.P., so I figured I'd address the guy spreading their message here.
I understand that people rapidly entrenched themselves vis a vis the Tea Parties, and the reality of the events never changed a single person's mind. But the idea is to deal with "facts", not Internet gobbledygook being pushed by the Nazi's.
I've read posts here recently that have discounted the Eurofascist claims of large attendance at rallies or whatever. The response has been, basically, those Eurofacists like to take more credit for events than they actually contribute.
But somehow, in America, the Tea Parties are so infested with Nazi's that they are in complete control of everything and everyone who attends a Tea Party is ripe for a mind-meld into Nazi beliefs!
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rightymouse Mon, May 18, 2009 4:28:03pm |
re: #394 HoosierHoops
Come on! Nobody has got a favorite song?
Is it ok to say I like Josh Groban and his songs?
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Bloodnok Mon, May 18, 2009 4:29:34pm |
re: #455 Charles
Question for you folks who keep saying you didn't see an Nazis at your tea parties...
Do you think they're going to be wearing SS uniforms?
I've seen posts at neo-Nazi websites in which they advise going undercover -- leaving the Doc Martins at home, covering up the tattoos, folding up the Confederate flags. They say the people at the tea party protests are just ripe to hear their "message," because they're all ... white. They tell each other not to start raving about white nationalism right away, but to ease into it.
I'm not making that up. Neo-Nazi groups are looking at the tea parties as ripe areas for recruitment.
Fact.
And while we're at it what does a Paulian supposed to "look like" anyway?
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Russkilitlover Mon, May 18, 2009 4:29:48pm |
re: #424 Sharmuta
Killgore's not the problem.
Posting disingenuous and misleading statements is not a problem?
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Digital Display Mon, May 18, 2009 4:29:52pm |
re: #452 buzzsawmonkey
Whoa..That is serious songwriting....
When every I hear the song Walking in Memphis the hair on the back of my neck stands up..And I sing along as loud as I can...
I love that song..
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loppyd Mon, May 18, 2009 4:29:58pm |
re: #455 Charles
Question for you folks who keep saying you didn't see an Nazis at your tea parties...
Do you think they're going to be wearing SS uniforms?
I've seen posts at neo-Nazi websites in which they advise going undercover -- leaving the Doc Martins at home, covering up the tattoos, folding up the Confederate flags. They say the people at the tea party protests are just ripe to hear their "message," because they're all ... white. They tell each other not to start raving about white nationalism right away, but to ease into it.
I'm not making that up. Neo-Nazi groups are looking at the tea parties as ripe areas for recruitment.
Fact.
OK. We'll never have another protest again because a Nazi may or may not be among us wearing a polo shirt and khakis.
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Nevergiveup Mon, May 18, 2009 4:30:17pm |
re: #453 pingjockey
I don't remember. I thought it was off of the continental shelf which would make the water over 10k feet deep. I don't think it has ben recovered. Saw something on the history channel about it.
I think, I hope, they purposely keep this things vague and keep ya guessing. But I hope someone knows and he tells someone else a bit younger before he retires or dies/
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sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 4:31:35pm |
re: #455 Charles
They say the people at the tea party protests are just ripe to hear their "message," because they're all ... white.
NOT at the one in Atlanta. It was at least 25% black participation, even at the organizational level
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pingjockey Mon, May 18, 2009 4:31:43pm |
re: #465 Nevergiveup
Yep. Well, if 3 eyed fish and turtles with hands start showing up in a certain area they know where to start the search!
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Nevergiveup Mon, May 18, 2009 4:31:46pm |
re: #464 loppyd
OK. We'll never have another protest again because a Nazi may or may not be among us wearing a polo shirt and khakis.
Well we could all wear shirts with the Star of David on them. Then they might stand out? Just a thought.
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freetoken Mon, May 18, 2009 4:32:08pm |
For those of you who think the plowed-ground of the "right wing" is not fertile ground for the Paulians/Birchers/neo-confederates, let's look at todays HotAir topic comments from GOP starting to panic over disadvantage among Latinos thread:
Time for a day without whites, then a week, then a few weeks.
JiangxiDad on May 18, 2009 at 5:25 PM
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Another thing that should be mentioned is that Blacks often live with Latinos in enclaves and a “groupthink” phenomenon occurred with the election of BO–particularly in the dense inner cities and metro areas….Feedie upthread, good point…how’s that pandering work out for McCain?
RepubChica on May 18, 2009 at 5:25 PM
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Tea parties, then sick-outs. Close down America.JiangxiDad on May 18, 2009 at 5:43 PM
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The Hispanics as a block will never vote conservative. Those who think that if we only “educated” them about American conservatism they would began to vote conservative are fooling themselves. The Hispanics are foreigners. They do not care about our Constitution, and they do not care about preserving America as it has been traditionally understood. They want their handouts, they want the power of their ethnic minority status given to them under liberalism. This will not change.The Republicans and mainstream conservatives need to face reality: white Americans are the only people who care about preserving what’s left of traditional American and restoring it to its former glory when it was more of a Constitutional Republic, as the Founders intended it to be. Look at the tea parties. Look at the Glenn Beck television show audience specials. They were almost predominately populated by white people. Because they are the only ones who care. The conservative “assimilation” experiment has failed.
If you want to save the Republic, you need to stop the current demographic trends. Immigration needs to be curtailed. At least for a time. Because the farther the white population in America falls, the less likely it will be that America will recover.
2Brave2Bscared on May 18, 2009 at 7:04 PM
And so on.
It is quite the mix of comments, some seem racist, other commenters over there are noticing that and trying to stop it, but that HotAir seems to think it needs to encourage the racists says much.
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DEZes Mon, May 18, 2009 4:32:19pm |
re: #467 pingjockey
Yep. Well, if 3 eyed fish and turtles with hands start showing up in a certain area they know where to start the search!
Godzilla. ;)
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rightymouse Mon, May 18, 2009 4:32:38pm |
re: #448 sattv4u2
Otherwise, I'm sure he means well.
"Aside from that, how did you like the play, Mrs Lincoln?"
I'm being charitable tonight even though a colleague passed away suddenly and I'd prefer to rip out some throats. :)
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J.S. Mon, May 18, 2009 4:32:54pm |
re: #417 Nevergiveup
I'm still looking for a transcript...(one transcript I did find, and it had Netanyahu making some claim about a "causal link" (?), personally, I don't think I heard Netanyahu state that -- I was under the impression that Netanyahu said something about "no causal link", no affirming it...) Think I'll continue a search tomorrow...(or maybe I won't even bother with a transcript, just look for the video on Youtube, etc...) (also noted another set of contradictions in Obama's press conference -- he first claimed that he had no "timetable" for Iran to stop its nuclear activities -- then Obama said that he'd give Iran until December of this year, cause he won't talk/yak forever...various news media latch onto one way or the other to spin it -- some emphasize "there's no timetable!" others emphasize, "Iran has until December!" etc.)
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Walter L. Newton Mon, May 18, 2009 4:32:59pm |
K I L L G O R E - are you on here tonight?
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 18, 2009 4:34:06pm |
re: #444 rightymouse
I find his misrepresentation of the California Tax Revolt as a tea party with the implication that right-wingers were hacking off heads and hanging effigies, deeply disconcerting.
Here's what I said.....
Here are the hosts decapitating an effigy on a democratically elected Republican on stage as the crowd cheers.....
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pingjockey Mon, May 18, 2009 4:34:30pm |
re: #469 freetoken
They have lost their minds over there!
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LGoPs Mon, May 18, 2009 4:34:33pm |
re: #455 Charles
Question for you folks who keep saying you didn't see an Nazis at your tea parties...
Do you think they're going to be wearing SS uniforms?
I've seen posts at neo-Nazi websites in which they advise going undercover -- leaving the Doc Martins at home, covering up the tattoos, folding up the Confederate flags. They say the people at the tea party protests are just ripe to hear their "message," because they're all ... white. They tell each other not to start raving about white nationalism right away, but to ease into it.
I'm not making that up. Neo-Nazi groups are looking at the tea parties as ripe areas for recruitment.
Fact.
OK. What do you then suggest, other than to be wary of them?
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sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 4:34:40pm |
re: #471 rightymouse
I'm being charitable tonight even though a colleague passed away suddenly and I'd prefer to rip out some throats. :)
my sincere condolences
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Alberta Oil Peon Mon, May 18, 2009 4:34:52pm |
re: #222 researchok
If history offers up a record, then we know that nations that developed nuclear weapons did so quietly- including Israel and Pakistan.
I believe there is only one nation that we can be reasonably certain has nuclear weapons, and which has not visibly fired off a test. That nation is Israel.
All the other known members of the nuclear club have fired off tests that were either public or ill-kept secrets.
There were some rumors of a nuclear flash being detected at high altitude over a remote part of the Indian Ocean, back in the 1970s, IIRC, and allegations were made that it was the work of the Israelis working in cooperation with South Africa. This may well be complete fiction, but a rumor did circulate at the time.
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rightymouse Mon, May 18, 2009 4:34:59pm |
re: #450 Bloodnok
We are all qualified to voice our opinions on whatever we see fit.
That's fine. But by the same token, one needs to be prepared to defend one's opinion with facts.
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Digital Display Mon, May 18, 2009 4:35:08pm |
re: #471 rightymouse
I'm being charitable tonight even though a colleague passed away suddenly and I'd prefer to rip out some throats. :)
I'm very sorry to hear that..I'm sure the pain has overwashed you tonight..
May God grant his Family Peace and Comfort in this hour...
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debutaunt Mon, May 18, 2009 4:35:12pm |
re: #460 Bloodnok
And while we're at it what does a Paulian supposed to "look like" anyway?
Watch for blimps - dead giveaway.
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sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 4:35:41pm |
re: #480 rightymouse
That's fine. But by the same token, one needs to be prepared to defend one's opinion with facts.
great ,,,,there goes anything I would have to post !
////
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J.S. Mon, May 18, 2009 4:35:45pm |
re: #474 Nevergiveup
There's a transcript out there which has Netanyahu talking about "there are causal links." (I'm not linking to this transcript -- I don't trust it.)
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Lincolntf Mon, May 18, 2009 4:35:46pm |
re: #455 Charles
The Dem. Mayor of my City (a black man) is tentatively scheduled to speak on July 4th. In a City with about a 40% black population we had about 20% black attendance at the last one. If the Tea Party (the one down here, I can't speak for anything I haven't seen) had been all white, I probably wouldn't be going to the next one.
As far as the Nazi's being "in disguise" or otherwise incognito, what good would that do them? They'd get to surreptitiously listen in on discussions about fairness in re-zoning and altering County tax rates?
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sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 4:35:57pm |
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 18, 2009 4:36:10pm |
re: #455 Charles
Yes, there are threads on Stormfront discussing what they call "transitional" White Nationalist techniques for the Tea Parties. They are working on fliers and signs that don't appear openly racist but are meant to attract people who might be swayed into the movement.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 18, 2009 4:36:56pm |
Biden is spinning the "bunker" story.
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Alberta Oil Peon Mon, May 18, 2009 4:37:16pm |
re: #234 DEZes
Suit case nukes?
Maybe a dirty bomb that small, unless you have info I dont, I doubt a nuke that small.
Google "Davy Crockett."
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Nevergiveup Mon, May 18, 2009 4:37:40pm |
re: #485 J.S.
There's a transcript out there which has Netanyahu talking about "there are causal links." (I'm not linking to this transcript -- I don't trust it.)
Well they were both basically talking dribble the whole time. One comment more stupid than the next. Ben Gurion and Reagan they are not!
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Nevergiveup Mon, May 18, 2009 4:38:24pm |
re: #492 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Biden is spinning the "bunker" story.
He should have a few drinks and go spin in the bunker for all I care
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Russkilitlover Mon, May 18, 2009 4:38:51pm |
re: #475 Killgore Trout
Here's also what you said:
Interview with a Truther at yesterday's California Tea Party.....
I've been pointing out to you again and again what this particular protest was about, who organized it, etc. You willfully ignore it because it doesn't fit your meme.
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brookly red Mon, May 18, 2009 4:39:21pm |
re: #489 Killgore Trout
Yes, there are threads on Stormfront discussing what they call "transitional" White Nationalist techniques for the Tea Parties. They are working on fliers and signs that don't appear openly racist but are meant to attract people who might be swayed into the movement.
And communists recruit on campuses... but I still went to school.
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loppyd Mon, May 18, 2009 4:40:16pm |
Speaking of radical right wing extremists.....former KKK member and current US Senator Robert Byrd is in the hospital.
Oh wait....did I say right wing? Silly me.
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 18, 2009 4:40:18pm |
re: #480 rightymouse
But by the same token, one needs to be prepared to defend one's opinion with facts.
I posted the videos and included time stamps for what I pointed out. I'm sorry but I can't get any more accurate and specific than that. For it to be considered factually inaccurate there would have to be some error in what I posted, which there was not.
I'm sorry you had a bad day but don't take it out on me.
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rightymouse Mon, May 18, 2009 4:41:17pm |
re: #475 Killgore Trout
You're going to make me go back and post your other comments and links to the California event, ain't ya?
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Randall Gross Mon, May 18, 2009 4:41:35pm |
re: #495 Iron Fist
I implied no such thing. You inferred it from your pissy mood.
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IslandLibertarian Mon, May 18, 2009 4:41:36pm |
re: #455 Charles
They say the people at the tea party protests are just ripe to hear their "message," because they're all ... white. They tell each other not to start raving about white nationalism right away, but to ease into it.
Yeah, da bruddahs here are ready for that message.
I'm a Haole, and I was a minority at the Honolulu Tea Party.
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Sharmuta Mon, May 18, 2009 4:41:37pm |
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 18, 2009 4:42:11pm |
re: #497 Russkilitlover
I've been pointing out to you again and again what this particular protest was about, who organized it, etc. You willfully ignore it because it doesn't fit your meme.
Sorry, I didn't realize it was an issue. Yes, it's the Tax Revolt thing from the DJ's. The core of my point stands that there were Truthers and Paulians there. I don't really see how this changes anything.
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capitalist piglet Mon, May 18, 2009 4:42:24pm |
re: #477 LGoPs
OK. What do you then suggest, other than to be wary of them?
I swear on my life that there is no way in hell a neo-nazi could recruit me into having a conversation, let alone anything else. I would presume this to be true of 99.9% of the people I saw at the two (quite generic) Tea Parties in my area.
If it's not, we've got bigger problems than we think we do.
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Nevergiveup Mon, May 18, 2009 4:42:49pm |
Here is what Obama said about the Linkage between the Israel-Palistinians and Iran:
"if there is a linkage between Iran and the Israeli-Palestinian peace process, I personally believe it actually runs the other way. To the extent that we can make peace with the Palestinians - between the Palestinians and the Israelis, then I actually think it strengthens our hand in the international community in dealing with a potential Iranian threat. "
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 18, 2009 4:42:55pm |
re: #498 brookly red
I'm not telling anybody to do anything they don't want to.
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sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 4:43:12pm |
re: #505 IslandLibertarian
Yeah, da bruddahs here are ready for that message.
I'm a Haole, and I was a minority at the Honolulu Tea Party
Does a lei go good with a brown shirt and jack boots
///
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loppyd Mon, May 18, 2009 4:43:15pm |
re: #507 Killgore Trout
Sorry, I didn't realize it was an issue. Yes, it's the Tax Revolt thing from the DJ's. The core of my point stands that there were Truthers and Paulians there. I don't really see how this changes anything.
Um...because it wasn't a tea party.
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rightymouse Mon, May 18, 2009 4:43:43pm |
re: #481 HoosierHoops
I'm very sorry to hear that..I'm sure the pain has overwashed you tonight..
May God grant his Family Peace and Comfort in this hour...
Thanks. I truly appreciate that. We knew things were rocky, but not this soon. Does that make sense? I guess one is never prepared.
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J.S. Mon, May 18, 2009 4:44:25pm |
re: #509 Nevergiveup
Yes. And, then, how did Netanyahu respond? What were his comments (that I can't find)...or I have found one "transcript" which I don't believe is accurate.
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alegrias Mon, May 18, 2009 4:44:34pm |
OT
Robert Byrd is 91 (ninety one years old!) and in Congress since 1952, and hospitalized tonight. Surely his better work days are decades behind him.
SURELY West Virginia can find someone to represent them in Congress who is not a KKK member or a rich socialist like a Rockefeller buying his Senate seat for life...
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sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 4:45:02pm |
re: #507 Killgore Trout
Sorry, I didn't realize it was an issue. Yes, it's the Tax Revolt thing from the DJ's. The core of my point stands that there were Truthers and Paulians there. I don't really see how this changes anything.
And I'm sure there were Lutherans there, and Athiets there and podiatrists there and plumbers there and soccer players there and ,,,,,,,,,,
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 18, 2009 4:45:05pm |
re: #512 loppyd
Um...because it wasn't a tea party.
And the Paulians/Neo-Nazis he rails against were not the ones in charge.
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Randall Gross Mon, May 18, 2009 4:45:18pm |
Now that we've gotten by that, do you have data from a credible source, (since you don't like FAS,) that states Iran can hit the US from Iran with an ICBM Ironfist?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 18, 2009 4:45:41pm |
re: #518 sattv4u2
And I'm sure there were Lutherans there, and Athiets there and podiatrists there and plumbers there and soccer players there and ,,,,,,,,,,
And *GASP* even some Americans!
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pingjockey Mon, May 18, 2009 4:45:44pm |
re: #517 alegrias
He brings home tons and tons of pork to W. V.
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abolitionist Mon, May 18, 2009 4:45:49pm |
re: #124 Killgore Trout
Does anyone know how to download a video off of youtube? I found a real doozy but I want to make a copy before I post it. It might get pulled soon after I post it.
re: #151 Thanos
There are free utilities on the web, search on "youtube flash download". After download it will be a .flv file, you can then use an online flash conversion service.
The UnPlug extension for FireFox works well for downloading as FLV files from Youtube and some other sources. I try to copy the actual filename to my clipboard before invoking UnPlug or any similar utility, then use that filename for the download, by pasting. Sometimes the name must be edited to avoid "illegal" characters.
Media Player Classic includes the necessary codecs such that a separate and specialized FLV player is not necessary. (Search for K-Lite Codec pack, or Media Placer Classic)
Another handy FF extension specialized for Youtube is Easy YouTube Video Downloader 1.1, which supports MP4 format. I think Windows Medial Player may play that directly(?). There's also an experimental version 1.2 that also includes an option for FLV format. Usage is a little different from most such utilities, as you exploit a custom link that appears in the displayed Youtube page. HD format (when available) is nice too.
Usage hints: [Link: www.megaleecher.net...]
Easy YouTube Video Downloader 1.1 [Link: addons.mozilla.org...]
Easy YouTube Video Downloader 1.2 [Link: addons.mozilla.org...]
UnPlug [Link: addons.mozilla.org...]
Note: h t t p s will likely work in the above links but the s may go away in copies of this comment.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 18, 2009 4:45:51pm |
re: #511 sattv4u2
You makin' me think of Bruddah Iz!
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LGoPs Mon, May 18, 2009 4:46:03pm |
re: #518 sattv4u2
And I'm sure there were Lutherans there, and Athiets there and podiatrists there and plumbers there and soccer players there and ,,,,,,,,,,
And lizards.......at least one.
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Nevergiveup Mon, May 18, 2009 4:46:05pm |
re: #516 J.S.
Yes. And, then, how did Netanyahu respond? What were his comments (that I can't find)...or I have found one "transcript" which I don't believe is accurate.
There isn't a policy linkage, and that's what I hear the President saying, and that's what I'm saying too. And I've always said there's not a policy linkage between pursuing simultaneously peace between Israel and the Palestinians and the rest of the Arab world, and to trying to deal with removing the threat of a nuclear bomb.
There are causal links
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Russkilitlover Mon, May 18, 2009 4:46:22pm |
re: #507 Killgore Trout
Sorry, I didn't realize it was an issue. Yes, it's the Tax Revolt thing from the DJ's. The core of my point stands that there were Truthers and Paulians there. I don't really see how this changes anything.
Really bad argument. Why can't you just admit that you effed up and should not have lumped this protest into your conspiracy meme?
It doesn't fucking matter if some troofers showed up. From what I can tell it may have been 1 or 2, which of course, you glom onto. No protest will ever be free of fringe elements, no matter how noble the cause.
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brookly red Mon, May 18, 2009 4:46:27pm |
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alegrias Mon, May 18, 2009 4:46:41pm |
re: #486 Lincolntf
The Dem. Mayor of my City (a black man) is tentatively scheduled to speak on July 4th. In a City with about a 40% black population we had about 20% black attendance at the last one. If the Tea Party (the one down here, I can't speak for anything I haven't seen) had been all white, I probably wouldn't be going to the next one.
As far as the Nazi's being "in disguise" or otherwise incognito, what good would that do them? They'd get to surreptitiously listen in on discussions about fairness in re-zoning and altering County tax rates?
* * * * *
DC's Tea Party Protest in front of the White House's North side had black speakers, and people of many ethnicities, colors, shapes & creeds.
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sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 4:47:05pm |
re: #525 LGoPs
And lizards.......at least one.
two (I was at the Atlanta one for only a couple of hours or so,,,, work break)
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Vicious Babushka Mon, May 18, 2009 4:47:10pm |
re: #417 Nevergiveup
Netanyahu said that the two discussed the currently proposed Arab League initiative, "but only in regards to the markedly more positive spirit displayed by Arab nations compared to the 'Three Nos' adopted in the Khartoum Conference, nothing beyond that."
[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]
Did anyone else catch this. These 2 "geniuses" are discussing the "Three Nos"? Helllooo? It was 40 years ago! G-D help us all!
Now it's the "Three Yes's"
YES! To Israel retreating back to the 1948 Armistice lines and giving away everything gained in 1967, including (maybe ESPECIALLY) the Old City of Jerusalem and the Western Wall
YES! To Israel ethnically cleansing 450,000 Jews who are living beyond the 1948 Armistice lines.
YES! To flooding pre-1967 Israel with millions of Palestinian "refugees."
Here is the "problem" with the "Two state" solution: The Israelis think there should be one Jewish state and one Palestinian state. The Palestinians think there should be two Palestinian states.
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zeebeach Mon, May 18, 2009 4:48:12pm |
re: #455 Charles
Well, hell, I guess we need to forfeit our right to assembly, then, huh?
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albusteve Mon, May 18, 2009 4:48:31pm |
re: #510 Killgore Trout
I'm not telling anybody to do anything they don't want to.
point and shriek gets old...now you won't post any solutions because you say people don't care to hear them...I do
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 18, 2009 4:48:42pm |
re: #517 alegrias
OT
Robert Byrd is 91 (ninety one years old!) and in Congress since 1952, and hospitalized tonight. Surely his better work days are decades behind him.
SURELY West Virginia can find someone to represent them in Congress who is not a KKK member or a rich socialist like a Rockefeller buying his Senate seat for life...
I hope he recovers nicely and retires. However, he's got a seat for life. He's paid for his Senate seat with piles and piles and buckets and buckets and scads and scads and tons and tons of your money he has taken back to WV with him.
My parents live in WV and laugh about him. WV would be in the crapper without Senator Byrd. Which is a shame.
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rightymouse Mon, May 18, 2009 4:49:32pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 18, 2009 4:49:49pm |
re: #535 buzzsawmonkey
A little too much assembly.
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DEZes Mon, May 18, 2009 4:50:25pm |
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 18, 2009 4:50:27pm |
re: #527 Russkilitlover
Why can't you just admit that you effed up and should not have lumped this protest into your conspiracy meme?
Stormfront (Tea Party Americans Coalition), the Paulians and Glenn Beck are very involved with the Tea Parties as well. I've offered up endless examples and I will continue to do so as long as people are in denial.
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J.S. Mon, May 18, 2009 4:50:33pm |
re: #526 Nevergiveup
Ok. If there are "causal links" then the "problem" is linear -- there's a straight line (one problem leads to the other, and if you address the "causative" problem, the issue is then "dealt with." furthermore, with a causal linkage, how do you get "parallel tracks?" that's contradictory. You can only get "parallel tracks" if there is NO causal linkage. I believe Netanyahu stated that there are "NO causal" links...not that "there are".)
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Nevergiveup Mon, May 18, 2009 4:50:38pm |
re: #534 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I hope he recovers nicely and retires. However, he's got a seat for life. He's paid for his Senate seat with piles and piles and buckets and buckets and scads and scads and tons and tons of your money he has taken back to WV with him.
My parents live in WV and laugh about him. WV would be in the crapper without Senator Byrd. Which is a shame.
I was just speaking to a friend or patient who's kid transfered to West Virginia and loves it. Now if I could only remember who it was? Is Truman still president?
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albusteve Mon, May 18, 2009 4:51:30pm |
re: #534 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I hope he recovers nicely and retires. However, he's got a seat for life. He's paid for his Senate seat with piles and piles and buckets and buckets and scads and scads and tons and tons of your money he has taken back to WV with him.
My parents live in WV and laugh about him. WV would be in the crapper without Senator Byrd. Which is a shame.
you don't know that...he may have been a hinderance all these years to honest representation....taking money out of Washington back home is not always the best reason to be in office
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 18, 2009 4:51:38pm |
re: #533 albusteve
Don't expect me to solve your problems for you. Figure it out yourself. Not my problem.
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LGoPs Mon, May 18, 2009 4:51:39pm |
re: #455 Charles
Question for you folks who keep saying you didn't see an Nazis at your tea parties...
Do you think they're going to be wearing SS uniforms?
I've seen posts at neo-Nazi websites in which they advise going undercover -- leaving the Doc Martins at home, covering up the tattoos, folding up the Confederate flags. They say the people at the tea party protests are just ripe to hear their "message," because they're all ... white. They tell each other not to start raving about white nationalism right away, but to ease into it.
I'm not making that up. Neo-Nazi groups are looking at the tea parties as ripe areas for recruitment.
Fact.
And if socialists/communists try to take over this country they won't be wearing jackboots and goose stepping either. They will wear Nikes and smiley face T-shirts.
It's wise to look out for threats on all sides of the political spectrum.
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capitalist piglet Mon, May 18, 2009 4:51:56pm |
re: #533 albusteve
point and shriek gets old...now you won't post any solutions because you say people don't care to hear them...I do
I do too. Keeping in mind that this is America, and we don't have the right to physically remove someone from a public location.
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Russkilitlover Mon, May 18, 2009 4:52:16pm |
re: #539 Killgore Trout
Stormfront (Tea Party Americans Coalition), the Paulians and Glenn Beck are very involved with the Tea Parties as well. I've offered up endless examples and I will continue to do so as long as people are in denial.
I will say this one more time. Then I'm done, because you are just being obtuse.....
THIS WAS NOT A FUCKING TEA PARTY!
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Scorch Mon, May 18, 2009 4:53:13pm |
re: #34 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You've noticed that PETA doesn't picket leather at biker bars.
ROFLMAO....good one! There are normally very little picketing of any kind at locations where bikers frequent other than supporting our troops and saluting this great nation of ours. God Bless the USA!
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J.S. Mon, May 18, 2009 4:53:28pm |
re: #543 Nevergiveup
I'll wait to see it on Youtube, etc. (maybe bibi has decided to do an Obama "Contradictions mean Change you can believe in!" routine).
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abolitionist Mon, May 18, 2009 4:53:31pm |
PIMF: Media Player Classic
(This provides no download -related functionality, but the included codecs may eliminate the need for a specialized player for .FLV files, or conversion tools, even if you use Windows Media Player)
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rightymouse Mon, May 18, 2009 4:53:32pm |
re: #500 Killgore Trout
I posted the videos and included time stamps for what I pointed out. I'm sorry but I can't get any more accurate and specific than that. For it to be considered factually inaccurate there would have to be some error in what I posted, which there was not.
I'm sorry you had a bad day but don't take it out on me.
My bad day has nothing to do with you.
You leave yourself open to questions concerning credibility at times. That's your problem, not mine.
It would be really good for you to note that you mistook the California Tax Protest as a Tea Party for starters.
Like I posted earlier, I'm sure you mean well.
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 18, 2009 4:53:45pm |
re: #547 Russkilitlover
Agreed. They called it a Tax Revolt. I'm aware of that. You can keep screaming about it but we still agree on that point. There is no dispute.
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brookly red Mon, May 18, 2009 4:54:23pm |
re: #539 Killgore Trout
Stormfront (Tea Party Americans Coalition), the Paulians and Glenn Beck are very involved with the Tea Parties as well. I've offered up endless examples and I will continue to do so as long as people are in denial.
So freaking what? People can't think for them selves?
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alegrias Mon, May 18, 2009 4:54:42pm |
re: #522 pingjockey
He brings home tons and tons of pork to W. V.
* * * * *
Maybe it's just my opinion that it's WRONG to think of public service as a SPOILS system. How many other people's taxdollars can I take home?
It's revolting when Democrats whether KKK members like Sen. Byrd or blue blooded billionaires like Sen. Rockefeller, stay in Washington to pig out.
It's revolting when Republicans do it too.
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pingjockey Mon, May 18, 2009 4:55:39pm |
FNC just had a spot on California. It is 42 billion in the hole. If all the tax initiatives pass tomorrow it still only raises 6 billion in tax revenue!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 18, 2009 4:56:07pm |
re: #542 albusteve
Of course, you are right. The only nice things (other than the natural beauty) in WV has his (and his wife's) name on them.
Outside of Charleston, Morgantown, Beckley and Bluefield it is an awful state.
Bring it on, anyone who wants to fight about that statement.
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 18, 2009 4:56:22pm |
re: #551 rightymouse
It would be really good for you to note that you mistook the California Tax Protest as a Tea Party for starters.
You're wrong too. They called it a tax revolt. See how easy it is to mix up the terminology? In the end it doesn't make any difference, it's all part of the same movement. The organizers may be different but the end result is still the same no matter what you call it, what they call it or what I call it. Screaming about something we already agree on is pointless.
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Alberta Oil Peon Mon, May 18, 2009 4:56:27pm |
re: #360 Sharmuta
If nazis were to post a link to LGF on their forums, it would be to denounce Charles, not support him. Your analogy doesn't hold because they're not denouncing the tea parties- they are promoting them.
Quite obviously, what they are doing is attempting to piggy-back onto, and subvert, what they see as a popular movement. Communists do exactly the same thing.
Moderates have two course of action to choose from: either abandon the movement to the crazies, or else get off their butts, join the movement, and force the crazies out.
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albusteve Mon, May 18, 2009 4:56:33pm |
re: #544 Killgore Trout
Don't expect me to solve your problems for you. Figure it out yourself. Not my problem.
you sound sorta indignant...it's not my problem either...what is your purpose in life?...to endlessly blog about Ron Paul?....can't you be productive otherwise?...you are becoming obssessed...we hear your message but if you are not part of the solution than you become irrelevant....
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pingjockey Mon, May 18, 2009 4:56:40pm |
re: #554 alegrias
Yep. But that's what these folks do and it sucks.
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Nevergiveup Mon, May 18, 2009 4:57:09pm |
The Navy has vastly expanded its estimate of the size of the so-called “fighter gap,” putting the looming shortfall of fighter planes at 243 aircraft. Officials on Capitol Hill say it could exceed 300.
[Link: www.navytimes.com...]
If the whole world is gonna love us, why put war planes on them Carriers anyway?
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3 wood Mon, May 18, 2009 4:58:26pm |
Good evening.
The market was up about 2.85% on better than expected news about construction and real estate.
The 10 year bond is at 3.22% as compared to about 6 weeks ago when the rate was 2.75% or thereabouts.
Inflation is heating up due to all the cash that has been pumped into the economy by the Feds.
For those not familiar with macroeconomics, the only way to stop inflation once it gets heated up, is to put the economy into a forced recession by contracting the money supply. I doubt that this type of solution will be forthcoming any time soon.
So get ready for a sustained period of high inflation and high unemployment. In the 70's we called it stagflation.
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 18, 2009 4:58:29pm |
re: #560 albusteve
If you really thought I was irrelevant you'd ignore me.
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Sharmuta Mon, May 18, 2009 4:58:42pm |
re: #553 brookly red
So freaking what? People can't think for them selves?
Apparently not, because it seems like the tea parties are now some sort of litmus test. If a person isn't supportive of them, they are the enemy. And hate the right of assembly too.
The absolutist arguments are not productive.
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pingjockey Mon, May 18, 2009 4:58:44pm |
re: #562 Nevergiveup
That is what the ones admin will say.
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Russkilitlover Mon, May 18, 2009 4:59:15pm |
re: #555 pingjockey
FNC just had a spot on California. It is 42 billion in the hole. If all the tax initiatives pass tomorrow it still only raises 6 billion in tax revenue!
From what has been analyzed since January on the John and Ken show, organizers, promoters, and hosts of the JOHN AND KEN TAX REVOLT 2009 event this weekend in Corona, Once our newest taxes all kick in, we'll be $15 Billion in the hole. If the Propositions do not pass, we'll be $21 Billion in the hole. The $42 Billion is what we were in the hole until the state passed its budget in January and including the ginormous tax hikes.
(See Killgore - I know what I'm talking about. I actually take the time to be thorough on issues I really care about. )
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Sharmuta Mon, May 18, 2009 4:59:17pm |
re: #559 Alberta Oil Peon
Quite obviously, what they are doing is attempting to piggy-back onto, and subvert, what they see as a popular movement. Communists do exactly the same thing.
Moderates have two course of action to choose from: either abandon the movement to the crazies, or else get off their butts, join the movement, and force the crazies out.
Not now- we're busy beating up Killgore.
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 18, 2009 4:59:20pm |
re: #563 3 wood
Don't you think the Fed has a plan for that?
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albusteve Mon, May 18, 2009 4:59:36pm |
re: #556 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Of course, you are right. The only nice things (other than the natural beauty) in WV has his (and his wife's) name on them.
Outside of Charleston, Morgantown, Beckley and Bluefield it is an awful state.
Bring it on, anyone who wants to fight about that statement.
I've visited many times and am well aware of hardship up there....I see the people not the politics...I like WV as much as any state...these are my brothers and sisters...for what that's worth
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Randall Gross Mon, May 18, 2009 4:59:38pm |
re: #557 Killgore Trout
Howard Jarvis Tax Association is behind the Tax Revolt and behind Tea Parties, it's the same people Here's a search on "Hjta and Tea party"
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KingKenrod Mon, May 18, 2009 4:59:41pm |
re: #555 pingjockey
FNC just had a spot on California. It is 42 billion in the hole. If all the tax initiatives pass tomorrow it still only raises 6 billion in tax revenue!
It will be interesting to see just how bad it gets in California, and just how reluctant the rest of the country will be to bail them out. The Dems and Obama will be desperate to bail them out since California the laboratory for the direction they want the rest of the country to go.
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brookly red Mon, May 18, 2009 4:59:59pm |
re: #562 Nevergiveup
The Navy has vastly expanded its estimate of the size of the so-called “fighter gap,” putting the looming shortfall of fighter planes at 243 aircraft. Officials on Capitol Hill say it could exceed 300.
[Link: www.navytimes.com...]
If the whole world is gonna love us, why put war planes on them Carriers anyway?
/Bingo! no need for carriers! followed by no need for escorts...
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gmsc Mon, May 18, 2009 5:00:51pm |
re: #563 3 wood
Good evening.
The market was up about 2.85% on better than expected news about construction and real estate.
The 10 year bond is at 3.22% as compared to about 6 weeks ago when the rate was 2.75% or thereabouts.
Inflation is heating up due to all the cash that has been pumped into the economy by the Feds.
For those not familiar with macroeconomics, the only way to stop inflation once it gets heated up, is to put the economy into a forced recession by contracting the money supply. I doubt that this type of solution will be forthcoming any time soon.
So get ready for a sustained period of high inflation and high unemployment. In the 70's we called it stagflation.
I hear Ron Paul supporters invest in bonds, so Killgore Trout suggests avoiding the bond market as a whole.
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 18, 2009 5:01:01pm |
re: #572 Thanos
Howard Jarvis Tax Association is behind the Tax Revolt and behind Tea Parties, it's the same people Here's a search on "Hjta and Tea party"
Ah, thanks.
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Digital Display Mon, May 18, 2009 5:01:13pm |
re: #514 rightymouse
Thanks. I truly appreciate that. We knew things were rocky, but not this soon. Does that make sense? I guess one is never prepared.
Fair Winds and following Seas Rightymouse
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albusteve Mon, May 18, 2009 5:01:46pm |
re: #564 Killgore Trout
If you really thought I was irrelevant you'd ignore me.
I like you tho...I want to help you through your mental illness....HAHAHA!
joke...
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alegrias Mon, May 18, 2009 5:01:53pm |
re: #555 pingjockey
FNC just had a spot on California. It is 42 billion in the hole. If all the tax initiatives pass tomorrow it still only raises 6 billion in tax revenue!
* * * *
California is equivalent to the world's 6th largest economy, or USED to be, before it became one of our most taxed up states.
Too bad none of California's great industries can escape the greedy state government's grasp, and get back to making products & creating vibrant economic growth to reverse the giant sucking sound of government jobs & wasteful government programs for life.
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debutaunt Mon, May 18, 2009 5:02:01pm |
re: #563 3 wood
Good evening.
The market was up about 2.85% on better than expected news about construction and real estate.
The 10 year bond is at 3.22% as compared to about 6 weeks ago when the rate was 2.75% or thereabouts.Inflation is heating up due to all the cash that has been pumped into the economy by the Feds.
For those not familiar with macroeconomics, the only way to stop inflation once it gets heated up, is to put the economy into a forced recession by contracting the money supply. I doubt that this type of solution will be forthcoming any time soon.
So get ready for a sustained period of high inflation and high unemployment. In the 70's we called it stagflation.
I already bought a wheelbarrow with an even number.
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sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 5:02:26pm |
re: #565 Sharmuta
Apparently not, because it seems like the tea parties are now some sort of litmus test. If a person isn't supportive of them, they are the enemy. And hate the right of assembly too.
The absolutist arguments are not productive.
And conversly if a person doesn't "agree" that the protests are nothing but a Paulian/ Neo Nazi plan for world domination they are houded with the 'but I have a photo of someone holding a RuPaul sign at one" as proof
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pingjockey Mon, May 18, 2009 5:02:30pm |
O'Wrongly has declared WAR on the NY Slimes. Yippee. Let the mud slinging commence!
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Randall Gross Mon, May 18, 2009 5:02:58pm |
On a good note the last time CA drifted more conservative it was HJTA behind it and prop six.
I don't think everyone showing up at Tea Parties are wingnuts and Paulians, but on the other hand I don't like the people who are hosting tea parties also hosting tax revolts where people are chanting "Dump the Republicans!" .... seems a mite counterproductive.
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albusteve Mon, May 18, 2009 5:03:05pm |
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swamprat Mon, May 18, 2009 5:03:27pm |
re: #539 Killgore Trout
Stormfront (Tea Party Americans Coalition), the Paulians and Glenn Beck are very involved with the Tea Parties as well. I've offered up endless examples and I will continue to do so as long as people are in denial.
Aye. But they'rrre no' trrrue Tea Party attendees.
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debutaunt Mon, May 18, 2009 5:03:55pm |
re: #570 Killgore Trout
Don't you think the Fed has a plan for that?
I hope it isn't Jimmy Carter's plan.
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Nevergiveup Mon, May 18, 2009 5:03:57pm |
The nation’s two largest home improvement stores, Lowe’s and Home Depot, are again offering a 10-percent military discount for Memorial Day, starting Thursday.
[Link: www.navytimes.com...]
If you got the ID and need anything, I guess now is the time.
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pingjockey Mon, May 18, 2009 5:04:08pm |
re: #581 alegrias
Business is bailing out of the state, how can you get your econmy going if you tax/regulate business to death?
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TheMatrix31 Mon, May 18, 2009 5:04:16pm |
re: #577 gmsc
I hear Ron Paul supporters invest in bonds, so Killgore Trout suggests avoiding the bond market as a whole.
LOL!
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 18, 2009 5:04:18pm |
re: #563 3 wood
Good evening.
The market was up about 2.85% on better than expected news about construction and real estate.
The 10 year bond is at 3.22% as compared to about 6 weeks ago when the rate was 2.75% or thereabouts.
Inflation is heating up due to all the cash that has been pumped into the economy by the Feds.
For those not familiar with macroeconomics, the only way to stop inflation once it gets heated up, is to put the economy into a forced recession by contracting the money supply. I doubt that this type of solution will be forthcoming any time soon.
So get ready for a sustained period of high inflation and high unemployment. In the 70's we called it stagflation.
And stagflation was one of the reasons why Carter was so gleefully relegated to the ash-heap of history as a former President.
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callahan23 Mon, May 18, 2009 5:05:02pm |
Damn, got kicked around by Firefox again. It is starting to get annoying. I am currently using Safari.
But I gotta go anyway. 's late. - So stay scaly {Lizardim}
Love ya all. Mostly. ;-)
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freetoken Mon, May 18, 2009 5:05:27pm |
re: #555 pingjockey
FNC just had a spot on California. It is 42 billion in the hole.
Sigh... be careful of "fair and balanced" reporting....
The $42billion was a number thrown around before the big budget battle that ended at the end of winter. The "compromise" solution which finally passed, which raised fees for many services, raised the sales tax, etc. changed that number.
Since the annual deficit will depend upon revenues, the actual number can't be known. The current year deficit numbers have been between $8billion and $21billion.
The ballot initiatives will likely fail. In that case, come sometime later in the year California will run into problems making payments, again. Before then, California will have problems selling bonds without raising the interest rate significantly.
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Randall Gross Mon, May 18, 2009 5:05:31pm |
re: #589 JustABill
What is the FAS agenda?
They are liberal and anti-nuclear weapons. When it comes to armaments they tend to overstate capabilities, which is why I picked them as they would present worst case.
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screaming_eagle Mon, May 18, 2009 5:05:34pm |
re: #563 3 wood
So get ready for a sustained period of high inflation and high unemployment. In the 70's we called it
stagflation.CARTER
Fixed
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sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 5:05:47pm |
re: #590 debutaunt
I hope it isn't Jimmy Carter's plan.
Carter had a PLAN!?!?!? (or for that matter, a clue!)
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Gus Mon, May 18, 2009 5:05:47pm |
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Sharmuta Mon, May 18, 2009 5:06:16pm |
re: #583 sattv4u2
And conversly if a person doesn't "agree" that the protests are nothing but a Paulian/ Neo Nazi plan for world domination they are houded with the 'but I have a photo of someone holding a RuPaul sign at one" as proof
Maybe because shooting the messenger smacks of denial?
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pingjockey Mon, May 18, 2009 5:06:46pm |
re: #596 freetoken
Thank you. I knew they were in a hole but not how much!
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Russkilitlover Mon, May 18, 2009 5:07:04pm |
re: #585 Thanos
On a good note the last time CA drifted more conservative it was HJTA behind it and prop
sixThirteen.
FTFY. It's the grandaddy of all Propositions. Took the State's mitts out of our property tax piggy bank back in '78. Prop 13 is spoken about with reverence by most folks - dems and repubs.
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sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 5:07:31pm |
re: #603 Sharmuta
Maybe because shooting the messenger smacks of denial?
No need to shoot the messenger when the message is already full of holes!
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 18, 2009 5:07:35pm |
re: #583 sattv4u2
And conversly if a person doesn't "agree" that the protests are nothing but a Paulian/ Neo Nazi plan for world domination they are houded with the 'but I have a photo of someone holding a RuPaul sign at one" as proof
I catch more than a whiff of McCarthyism from the constant haranguing about Paulians/Neo-Nazis bent on world domination with their insidious takeover of the Tea Parties.
| 608 |
albusteve Mon, May 18, 2009 5:07:37pm |
| 609 |
callahan23 Mon, May 18, 2009 5:07:39pm |
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Digital Display Mon, May 18, 2009 5:07:49pm |
re: #596 freetoken
Please Gawd..Don't let my home state fail...Please let there be a solution that saves the State..
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rightymouse Mon, May 18, 2009 5:08:02pm |
re: #557 Killgore Trout
You're wrong too. They called it a tax revolt. See how easy it is to mix up the terminology? In the end it doesn't make any difference, it's all part of the same movement. The organizers may be different but the end result is still the same no matter what you call it, what they call it or what I call it. Screaming about something we already agree on is pointless.
Who is screaming? You're the one that brings this up on threads frequent enough to derail them.
And I did notice my semantic error after the fact. Yes, it was a California tax revolt - but not for national reasons.
What end result are you referring to?
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alegrias Mon, May 18, 2009 5:08:12pm |
re: #556 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Of course, you are right. The only nice things (other than the natural beauty) in WV has his (and his wife's) name on them.
Outside of Charleston, Morgantown, Beckley and Bluefield it is an awful state.
Bring it on, anyone who wants to fight about that statement.
* * * *
Harper's Ferry is a beautiful historic place every American should try to visit.
Snowshoe, West Virginia is a beautiful ski resort.
White Water rafting is a great sport in West Virginia, though I can't recall whether on the Yockioghenyy or Nu Rivers (spelling?).
The beautiful Blue Ridge mountains and Appalachian Trail are fantastic.
Oddly enough, just got a magazine about the Greenbrier resort in White Sulphur Springs, West Virginia, which has been around since 1778 catering to US Presidents and others.
www.greenbrier.com
Nature lovers would love this place!
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rightymouse Mon, May 18, 2009 5:08:57pm |
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Scorch Mon, May 18, 2009 5:09:29pm |
re: #562 Nevergiveup
The Navy has vastly expanded its estimate of the size of the so-called “fighter gap,” putting the looming shortfall of fighter planes at 243 aircraft. Officials on Capitol Hill say it could exceed 300.
[Link: www.navytimes.com...]
If the whole world is gonna love us, why put war planes on them Carriers anyway?
Most of those aircraft in Navy will serve in the fleet for 30 years or more. I remember the Grumman A6 Intruder requiring 6 hours maintenance for every flight hour it logged and that was only at it's midlife in the fleet. Great aircraft anyway. I think the Navy should purchase the additional Super Hornets. A proven reliable aircraft which can be in the fleet quickly and supporting our commitments to NATO.
| 615 |
DEZes Mon, May 18, 2009 5:09:39pm |
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Randall Gross Mon, May 18, 2009 5:09:46pm |
re: #605 Russkilitlover
FTFY. It's the grandaddy of all Propositions. Took the State's mitts out of our property tax piggy bank back in '78. Prop 13 is spoken about with reverence by most folks - dems and repubs.
Thanks for that correction, where did I get six from...
wait, that was further down the road, that was the anti gay marriage one. Thanks again.
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albusteve Mon, May 18, 2009 5:10:16pm |
re: #612 alegrias
* * * *
Harper's Ferry is a beautiful historic place every American should try to visit.Snowshoe, West Virginia is a beautiful ski resort.
White Water rafting is a great sport in West Virginia, though I can't recall whether on the Yockioghenyy or Nu Rivers (spelling?).
The beautiful Blue Ridge mountains and Appalachian Trail are fantastic.
Oddly enough, just got a magazine about the Greenbrier resort in White Sulphur Springs, West Virginia, which has been around since 1778 catering to US Presidents and others.
www.greenbrier.com
Nature lovers would love this place!
I've hung out at White Sulfer Springs a few times...loved it...the Greenbrier is a national treasure imo...good post
| 618 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 18, 2009 5:11:10pm |
re: #612 alegrias
Yep! The natural things are beautiful.
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gmsc Mon, May 18, 2009 5:11:18pm |
re: #607 FurryOldGuyJeans
I catch more than a whiff of McCarthyism from the constant haranguing about Paulians/Neo-Nazis bent on world domination with their insidious takeover of the Tea Parties.
Educational Video – Your Friend: World Domination
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sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 5:11:42pm |
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Nevergiveup Mon, May 18, 2009 5:12:39pm |
DNA tests have revealed that a 13-year-old British boy who claimed to have fathered a child with his 15-year-old girlfriend was not the dad, according to a court judgement made public Monday.
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]
The results, revealed in a high court judgement last month which was only made public Monday, showed the father was 15-year-old Tyler Barker, who lived on the same housing estate as Steadman in Eastbourne in southern England.
Good parental supervision? How do they spell Slut over there?
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Randall Gross Mon, May 18, 2009 5:12:52pm |
re: #616 Thanos
Thanks for that correction, where did I get six from...
wait, that was further down the road, that was the anti gay marriage one. Thanks again.
argg. no that was prop 8, prop six was the no gay teachers initiative...
/ where's my coffee?
| 623 |
Sharmuta Mon, May 18, 2009 5:13:30pm |
I'm just going to point out this thread, and say that Eric Odom is in league with an LGF stalker.
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sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 5:13:40pm |
re: #621 Nevergiveup
DNA tests have revealed that a 13-year-old British boy who claimed to have fathered a child with his 15-year-old girlfriend was not the dad, according to a court judgement made public Monday.
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]
The results, revealed in a high court judgement last month which was only made public Monday, showed the father was 15-year-old Tyler Barker, who lived on the same housing estate as Steadman in Eastbourne in southern England.
Good parental supervision? How do they spell Slut over there?
W E L F A R E ,,, R E C I P I E N T
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JustABill Mon, May 18, 2009 5:13:50pm |
re: #596 freetoken
Sigh... be careful of "fair and balanced" reporting....
The $42billion was a number thrown around before the big budget battle that ended at the end of winter. The "compromise" solution which finally passed, which raised fees for many services, raised the sales tax, etc. changed that number.
Since the annual deficit will depend upon revenues, the actual number can't be known. The current year deficit numbers have been between $8billion and $21billion.
The ballot initiatives will likely fail. In that case, come sometime later in the year California will run into problems making payments, again. Before then, California will have problems selling bonds without raising the interest rate significantly.
Anyone know when we'll know the results of these votes?
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Ojoe Mon, May 18, 2009 5:13:57pm |
One of my favorites anyway.
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Digital Display Mon, May 18, 2009 5:14:23pm |
re: #613 rightymouse
**kisses**
The pain we have when we lose a friend forever is often overwhelming..
The burning heart of those tears we cry for them lasts forever..I believe that with all my heart..
God bless you..never forget
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, May 18, 2009 5:15:08pm |
I don't know nuthin' about no bunker!
Speaking of the Greenbriar...That is where I thought Cheney was after 911, or NORAD.
| 629 |
3 wood Mon, May 18, 2009 5:15:46pm |
re: #570 Killgore Trout
Don't you think the Fed has a plan for that?
No.
You have to always keep in mind that they have an "unsustainable" debt (to quote the Messiah) they have to finance, and the only way to do that is offer a very high rate of interest so people will buy mountains of US debt.
The best way out of this is to grow the economy. To do that, you cut taxes and cut government spending, neither very likely with the current incumbent in the White House and Pelosi/Reid running Congress?
By the way, don't be surprised if the US loses its triple A rating on it's debt.
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alegrias Mon, May 18, 2009 5:15:51pm |
re: #592 pingjockey
Business is bailing out of the state, how can you get your econmy going if you tax/regulate business to death?
* * * *
It's criminal what greedy California government & unions have done--talented people from all over wanted to work in California,
but
California's greedy people killed the Golden Goose.
[California's Octomom's just one example of a welfare Queen having 14 babies by expensive In Vitro Fertilization techniques unscrupulous doctors figured out how to charge to the taxpayer, and then sticking it to the taxpayer to subsidize her family's special medical needs for life, in addition to welfare payments. That was just one crazy like a California Fox woman, ripping off millions.]
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 18, 2009 5:16:02pm |
re: #611 rightymouse
It's the same sponsors for the Tax Revolt and the Tea Parties. The organizers and hosts are slightly different but the audience is more or less the same demographic.
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offendi Mon, May 18, 2009 5:16:11pm |
To be blunt the die was cast today. Obama's language, arrogance, and naivety about his ability to "negotiate" with Iran will have framed the Israeli decision to launch preemptively against Iran. Israelis understand that the mullahs find Obama weak.
President Obama, an academician who has never fired a gun and has never made life or death decisions told the Israeli Prime Minister, a man who served in war and whose brother died in an attempt to free Jewish and Israeli hostages at Entebbe, essentially to "trust him" with the lives of Israel's Jews. Would you? Or your family's? I think not.
The attack will probably be by missile with a preemptive strike by the Israeli air force and armed forces on Hezbollah in Lebanon. Hamas is negligible unless they are able to smuggle in long range missiles.
This will interrupt the flow of oil and affect all western economies. The shame of this is that Americans election of this man will cause the worst. not best results.
One hopes the Russians do not wish to base nuclear missiles in Venezuela. Obama will give us another Cuban Missile Crisis, because he is seen as weak and naive by the people we can least afford to have an American President seen that way by.
| 633 |
Digital Display Mon, May 18, 2009 5:16:27pm |
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freetoken Mon, May 18, 2009 5:16:51pm |
re: #625 JustABill
Anyone know when we'll know the results of these votes?
The ballot is.... tomorrow! (19 May)
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 18, 2009 5:17:32pm |
re: #616 Thanos
Thanks for that correction, where did I get six from...
wait, that was further down the road, that was the anti gay marriage one. Thanks again.
CA Prop 6 (2008) was AKA as the Safe Neighborhoods Act, and dealt with gang related and drug crimes. It was rejected by the voters.
The gay marriage one was CA Prop 8 (2008).
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Nevergiveup Mon, May 18, 2009 5:17:47pm |
Gov. Jim Gibbons said today that President Obama has denied his request to meet with him in Las Vegas later this month.
[Link: www.lasvegassun.com...]
Reaching out to the opposition?
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 18, 2009 5:17:55pm |
re: #629 3 wood
Bummer. When do you expect that to happen?
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Lincolntf Mon, May 18, 2009 5:19:10pm |
re: #631 Killgore Trout
You don't think you still have any credibility when it comes to the "Tea Parties", do you?
Sheesh, talk about hubris.
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rightymouse Mon, May 18, 2009 5:19:33pm |
re: #603 Sharmuta
Maybe because shooting the messenger smacks of denial?
Nope. We get the message, but there are times that first-hand reports that show something vastly different than a full-on Paulian/Nazi convergence are dismissed or ignored. That's what will make me go 'hmmmmmmm'...
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JustABill Mon, May 18, 2009 5:19:39pm |
re: #634 freetoken
The ballot is.... tomorrow! (19 May)
Doh!
Should have figured it would be a Tuesday.
| 643 |
sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 5:19:48pm |
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gmsc Mon, May 18, 2009 5:19:55pm |
re: #636 Nevergiveup
Gov. Jim Gibbons said today that President Obama has denied his request to meet with him in Las Vegas later this month.
[Link: www.lasvegassun.com...]
Reaching out to the opposition?
Doesn't 0bama get paid by the federal government? I don't think people who take federal money should be spending it on trips to Las Vegas . . .
///
| 645 |
rightymouse Mon, May 18, 2009 5:20:01pm |
| 646 |
Randall Gross Mon, May 18, 2009 5:20:04pm |
re: #635 FurryOldGuyJeans
Yeah, see my "I need coffee" self correction above
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 18, 2009 5:21:07pm |
re: #646 Thanos
Yeah, see my "I need coffee" self correction above
I know I have been in that state all too many times myself. ;)
| 648 |
DEZes Mon, May 18, 2009 5:21:12pm |
| 650 |
albusteve Mon, May 18, 2009 5:21:59pm |
re: #638 Killgore Trout
Bummer. When do you expect that to happen?
you're being sold out...only an unrestrained zeal for BO would prevent someone from seeing this...the worst is yet to come...just wait til they raid SS to finance free medical care...get ready for monumental taxes
| 651 |
experiencedtraveller Mon, May 18, 2009 5:22:11pm |
One of the best hedges against inflation is real estate.
One of the best hedges against nuclear animosity is the capability for annihilating retaliation.
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alegrias Mon, May 18, 2009 5:22:25pm |
re: #632 offendi
To be blunt the die was cast today. Obama's language, arrogance, and naivety about his ability to "negotiate" with Iran will have framed the Israeli decision to launch preemptively against Iran. Israelis understand that the mullahs find Obama weak.
President Obama, an academician who has never fired a gun and has never made life or death decisions told the Israeli Prime Minister, a man who served in war and whose brother died in an attempt to free Jewish and Israeli hostages at Entebbe, essentially to "trust him" with the lives of Israel's Jews. Would you? Or your family's? I think not.
The attack will probably be by missile with a preemptive strike by the Israeli air force and armed forces on Hezbollah in Lebanon. Hamas is negligible unless they are able to smuggle in long range missiles.
This will interrupt the flow of oil and affect all western economies. The shame of this is that Americans election of this man will cause the worst. not best results.One hopes the Russians do not wish to base nuclear missiles in Venezuela. Obama will give us another Cuban Missile Crisis, because he is seen as weak and naive by the people we can least afford to have an American President seen that way by.
* * * * * *
The way poor Prime Minister Netanyahu had to wring his hands and show obeisance to Pres. Obama was revolting.
Pres. Obama was insulting and talked down to Netanyahu, saying Palestinians came before disarming Iran which threatens billions of people.
Whatever Israel decides to do to defend itself, I wholeheartedly support and will demand my US representatives support Israel's right to take action first.
| 653 |
freetoken Mon, May 18, 2009 5:22:26pm |
re: #630 alegrias
The Octomoms of the world don't really add up to much $$$ in the big picture.
From my couple of decades of living in California, I concluded that the top budget busters are:
- Unrealistic retirement payments. E.g., UofC schools have retirement plans which have the state pay 100% of the retirement portfolio. Such things are common at the state and local levels here.
- Unrealistic salaries for public officials. Many get paid much more than Federal employees.
- Over-costly capital improvements. It is amazing to see how much is paid for simple buildings, roads, etc.
- Excessively large public school staffs. Way, way too many people doing marginal jobs.
| 654 |
Nevergiveup Mon, May 18, 2009 5:22:27pm |
re: #632 offendi
I don't think we will have a Venezuela missile crisis. The Cuban Missile crisis was not only because the Ruskies perceived Kennedy as being weak but also because their Nukes and ICBMs were so Big they could not go so far, so they needed Cuba as a base to threaten America. Today they don't have that problem. They could hit us from Mother Russia.
| 655 |
JustABill Mon, May 18, 2009 5:22:38pm |
I just got off the phone with a friend of mine who works for the government (defense GS work). According to him, lots of contractors are being brought in as Government Service workers now. Working for the govt directly as opposed to the government hiring them via contractor. My first thought is that its Obama's way to boost govt union membership.
| 656 |
3 wood Mon, May 18, 2009 5:23:16pm |
re: #638 Killgore Trout
Bummer. When do you expect that to happen?
The rating drop? By fall at the latest. And that means that the interest rate will have to be higher.
Something else to bear I mind. Obama's budget assumed a 4% growth rate each and every year to GDP. Anything under that elevates the deficit even more.
We will have to grow our GDP by about 6% the rest of the year to reach an average of 4% for this year.
Not. Going. To. Happen.
| 657 |
gmsc Mon, May 18, 2009 5:24:07pm |
re: #636 Nevergiveup
Gov. Jim Gibbons said today that President Obama has denied his request to meet with him in Las Vegas later this month.
[Link: www.lasvegassun.com...]
Reaching out to the opposition?
Sorry, Mr. 0bama, but ever since you scared much of Las Vegas' convention business away, and we've had to let tens of thousands people go as a result of your thoughtless comments, so very few of us will be happy to see you.
| 658 |
rightymouse Mon, May 18, 2009 5:24:12pm |
re: #631 Killgore Trout
It's the same sponsors for the Tax Revolt and the Tea Parties. The organizers and hosts are slightly different but the audience is more or less the same demographic.
Linkies, please.
| 659 |
pingjockey Mon, May 18, 2009 5:24:38pm |
re: #656 3 wood
Whoever thought up that 4% growth rate was smokin' crack.
| 660 |
gmsc Mon, May 18, 2009 5:25:09pm |
re: #658 rightymouse
Linkies, please.
You ask for links from KT! But his word is final! How can you possibly doubt him?!?
////
| 661 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 18, 2009 5:25:35pm |
re: #631 Killgore Trout
Must really suck being a free-thinking American in your world.
| 662 |
Randall Gross Mon, May 18, 2009 5:25:37pm |
re: #654 Nevergiveup
I don't think we will have a Venezuela missile crisis. The Cuban Missile crisis was not only because the Ruskies perceived Kennedy as being weak but also because their Nukes and ICBMs were so Big they could not go so far, so they needed Cuba as a base to threaten America. Today they don't have that problem. They could hit us from Mother Russia.
I do expect them to beef up conventional weaponry and strength based there however. It will be interesting to see how that goes, there are a couple of countries in the vicinity with zero standing armies, Panama is one of them.
| 663 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, May 18, 2009 5:25:40pm |
re: #640 Lincolntf
You don't think you still have any credibility when it comes to the "Tea Parties", do you?
Sheesh, talk about hubris.
Yes, I think Killgore has a lot of credibility in regards to the tea parties or any sort of current movement which frames themselves in a similar fashion.
He may have misspoke on some attribution here (I think he did), but that point it for Killgore to battle with, but it in no way diminishes the things he has pointed out, the kind of people hanging themselves on to these sort of events, and the mindset of the why's and what's of the whole movement.
The whole camel is in the tent, and you can only see it's nose. That's a shame.
| 664 |
DEZes Mon, May 18, 2009 5:25:44pm |
| 665 |
Randall Gross Mon, May 18, 2009 5:26:17pm |
re: #658 rightymouse
Google HJTA and Tea Party.
| 666 |
3 wood Mon, May 18, 2009 5:26:28pm |
re: #639 Iron Fist
I'm paying off debt as quick as I can (although I am still investing, just not in the market, if you catch my drift). Unfortunately, I may be about to be on the downside of some major medical bills. We'll see how good my insurance is.
If you borrowed at a fixed rate, and if you are sure of your paycheck staying stable, you might hold off on paying off the debt so fast. I think in a short while you will be able to pay it back wit much cheaper dollars.
In fact, if you can borrow in a fixed line of credit now, it might pay off down the road cause there will be a possibility of legal arbitrage in the near future.
| 667 |
ladycatnip Mon, May 18, 2009 5:26:44pm |
Here's a great website for all politicians to study - The Art of Manliness, with posters of Teddy Roosevelt and his pithy sayings. Personal responsibility was h.u.g.e. with him.
| 668 |
pingjockey Mon, May 18, 2009 5:26:46pm |
re: #662 Thanos
Hugo won't fuck with Panama. The Chicoms own it.
| 670 |
Lincolntf Mon, May 18, 2009 5:27:08pm |
re: #663 Walter L. Newton
Having never been "in the tent", how do you know what the view is like?
| 671 |
3 wood Mon, May 18, 2009 5:27:11pm |
re: #639 Iron Fist
The whole Obama Administration appears to be just about clueless about how economies run, what makes them run, and what not to do under any circumstances. That really is scary.
They are Marxist by nature.
| 672 |
Liberal Classic Mon, May 18, 2009 5:27:42pm |
re: #466 sattv4u2
They say the people at the tea party protests are just ripe to hear their "message," because they're all ... white.NOT at the one in Atlanta. It was at least 25% black participation, even at the organizational level
re: #486 Lincolntf
The Dem. Mayor of my City (a black man) is tentatively scheduled to speak on July 4th. In a City with about a 40% black population we had about 20% black attendance at the last one. If the Tea Party (the one down here, I can't speak for anything I haven't seen) had been all white, I probably wouldn't be going to the next one.
re: #529 alegrias
DC's Tea Party Protest in front of the White House's North side had black speakers, and people of many ethnicities, colors, shapes & creeds.
I realize this is OT to this thread but while I think Charles is right to raise an alarm about white-racist infiltrators at the bailout-backlash protests, I think it is wrong to dismiss them out of hand as being solely a vehicle for race-nationalists. The Houston protests had ample racial minority involvement, as well.
I think there's every reason to keep the racists and kooks away from any public outcry or momentum built up from the bailout protests, and that is represents an opportunity of attracting fiscally-conservative racial minorities away from the Democrats and into a sane center-right Republican party. If the bailout-protest momentum can be kept mainstream, then there is hope is some of that momentum can translate into some legislative gains in the mid-term elections to provide some check and balance to the Obama Administration.
If the momentum generated by the bailout backlash is co-opted by extreme right and racist elements, then that becomes another nail in the coffin of a sane center-right movement and helps pave the way for eight years of Obama/Pesosi. People on the left are aware of this as well, thus you have people like Janeane Garofalo outright calling them racist in order to discredit the backlash against the bailouts. My sense is that (at least heretofore) there is not much truth to the bailout protests having any racial angle to them.
| 673 |
Randall Gross Mon, May 18, 2009 5:27:46pm |
re: #668 pingjockey
Hugo won't fuck with Panama. The Chicoms own it.
No, but it makes a good geo political threat for Putin, who's a bit concerned about our relationship with China right now.
| 674 |
rightymouse Mon, May 18, 2009 5:28:09pm |
re: #648 DEZes
I am sure it is.
Your in my prayers.
Thanky..I'm ok. His family needs prayers.
I'll be signing off soon to spend time with mine.
| 675 |
Killian Bundy Mon, May 18, 2009 5:28:42pm |
| 676 |
pingjockey Mon, May 18, 2009 5:29:04pm |
re: #671 3 wood
Yep. Wonderful theories, proved unworkable in the real world. But, they're gonna try them again, cause this time the 'correct' people are in charge!
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3 wood Mon, May 18, 2009 5:29:06pm |
re: #659 pingjockey
Whoever thought up that 4% growth rate was smokin' crack.
That would be the administration in the White House.
| 678 |
garden18 Mon, May 18, 2009 5:29:21pm |
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.
—T.S. Eliot, "The Hollow Men" (1925)
Lately, observing Obama, these words seem increasingly prophetic. Obama, fearing to be labeled as an angry black man,
has become a calm, hollow, black appeaser, ready to hand Israel over to Muslim murderers on a silver platter. Well, to correct Eliot, the world will not end with a whimper, at least not with the whimper of a Jew. Israel will fight and defeat the dictator of Iran and won't need Obama's OK to do so.
| 679 |
Digital Display Mon, May 18, 2009 5:29:25pm |
re: #645 rightymouse
I hope it's a good blush. :)
You want to know the worst blush..Last Christmas I flew out alot of my family from Cali.. I took them all to the Company Christmas party..We had a blast..Just about 1am there was a young girl..a new hire dancing on the floor by herself..My wife and little sister asked who she was..I wasn't sure i told them..
Mama goes..Are you rude? Why is she all by herself out there? I dunno..
So I went to dance with her...( very cute) We are out there for a couple of minutes when she just looked at me seriously...locked my eyes..Why are you here?
I pointed at my table..My Wife made me dance with you..
I have never blushed so bad in my life...
She still works for us..I'm turning red as I post this..LOL
| 680 |
pingjockey Mon, May 18, 2009 5:30:42pm |
re: #673 Thanos
True. Very true. I still think Putin has Imperial aims for a Greater Russia.
| 681 |
Nevergiveup Mon, May 18, 2009 5:30:47pm |
re: #676 pingjockey
Yep. Wonderful theories, proved unworkable in the real world. But, they're gonna try them again, cause this time the 'correct' people are in charge!
I heard Ron Howard say something to the effect he wakes up happy every day now that Obama is elected. Oh and by the way Ron--Nice hair! And Tom Hanks sat there next to him nodding. Assholes.
| 682 |
Sharmuta Mon, May 18, 2009 5:31:35pm |
What's gotten into the AP? They're fact checking 0bama again:
FACT CHECK: Are US students really that bad?
America's moms and dads are getting a good scolding: Your kids are lagging behind students all around the world.
The White House says so, with concern bordering on alarm. So do institutions such as the Gates Foundation, citing performance tests, graduation rates and other benchmarks.
But don't measure for dunce caps just yet.
While they're not in first place, U.S. students generally hold their own on international tests. They spend more time in school than the Obama administration would have you believe. And their college graduation rates stack up better than reported.
| 683 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, May 18, 2009 5:31:42pm |
re: #670 Lincolntf
Having never been "in the tent", how do you know what the view is like?
Address my comment, not my pithy little tag. Oh, I know, it's easier to do that instead of actually dealing with my analysis.
| 684 |
3 wood Mon, May 18, 2009 5:31:52pm |
re: #676 pingjockey
Yep. Wonderful theories, proved unworkable in the real world. But, they're gonna try them again, cause this time the 'correct' people are in charge!
The nationalized health care cost will be the key.
| 685 |
rightymouse Mon, May 18, 2009 5:32:01pm |
re: #660 gmsc
You ask for links from KT! But his word is final! How can you possibly doubt him?!?
////
Beats me. Maybe I'm stupid.
/
| 686 |
Randall Gross Mon, May 18, 2009 5:32:11pm |
re: #680 pingjockey
True. Very true. I still think Putin has Imperial aims for a Greater Russia.
I agree, it's not just Putin, Russia has always been that way. Expanionist, imperialist. Right now Putin's more in imperial mode than Communist mode, but people aren't seeing that nuance.
| 687 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 18, 2009 5:32:15pm |
| 688 |
Nevergiveup Mon, May 18, 2009 5:32:19pm |
re: #680 pingjockey
True. Very true. I still think Putin has Imperial aims for a Greater Russia.
I wouldn't be sleeping so peaceful in some of them Baltic States tonight that is for sure.
| 689 |
DEZes Mon, May 18, 2009 5:32:27pm |
re: #671 3 wood
They are Marxist by nature.
I am gonna sit back and wait for "they are not Marxist's"
I said the same, just wanna see how this plays out.
| 690 |
Killgore Trout Mon, May 18, 2009 5:32:35pm |
re: #656 3 wood
Cool, that's something to look out for. Have we lost our credit rating on our debt before or will this be a first?
| 691 |
swamprat Mon, May 18, 2009 5:34:02pm |
re: #631 Killgore Trout
It's the same sponsors for the Tax Revolt and the Tea Parties. The organizers and hosts are slightly different but the audience is more or less the same demographic.
No!
You can't possibly be saying that the people who stage rallies protesting taxes that haven't happened yet are not actually grassroots/home-grown protesters?
You mean that people are using these rallies to promote their own agendas by using these events as a cover that exploits the participants?
Well that is farfetched.
That sort of thing must be extremely rare.
| 692 |
pingjockey Mon, May 18, 2009 5:34:15pm |
re: #684 3 wood
If you make over the poverty line you will never get a refund for 'overpayment' of your taxes. The cost will be more staggering than we can imagine. Not just in the dollar amount.
| 693 |
Killgore Trout Mon, May 18, 2009 5:34:29pm |
re: #661 FurryOldGuyJeans
Must really suck being a free-thinking American in your world.
Nah, It's kinda nice actually.
| 694 |
offendi Mon, May 18, 2009 5:35:07pm |
re: #652 alegrias
This was actually a day that we will look back and view as a sad and destructive turning point, when an American President could have been strong and resolute in support of an ally and in warning a serious enemy.
The Iranians can reach Europe through their ballistic missiles and the USA can be hit from ships off the American coast.
I cringe thinking about how Obama will debase this great country while in Egypt.
| 695 |
TheMatrix31 Mon, May 18, 2009 5:35:34pm |
re: #669 Iron Fist
The times I've visited California (LA and San Francisco Bay area) I've been struck by how really shitty you roads are. Main thourofares are in as bad or worse conditions than little mountain roads back in the hills away from any city are around here. What do you get for your gas taxes? I understand that they are some of the highest in the country.
We get traffic 18 out of 24 hours of the fucking day.
| 696 |
J.S. Mon, May 18, 2009 5:35:35pm |
re: #665 Thanos
I have not, obviously, attended a Tea Party (seeing as how I'm in Canada). thus all info is from first-hand, or second-hand accounts..to my knowledge there has been no "survey data" (conducted independently ) to verify the demographics of who actually attended....In so far as who's behind the Tea Paty protests, I've read from a Wiki artilce that "The Tea Party protests have been guided by a leadership team of 27 conservative-leaning political and media figures." (perhaps not all of these groups are OK? perhaps some are definitely fringe? but at what point is the whole thing discounted?)
| 697 |
Randall Gross Mon, May 18, 2009 5:35:40pm |
re: #687 FurryOldGuyJeans
I do believe he wants to revive the Tsarist/Orthodox Empire with himself Tsar Vladimir I.
and instead of Marxists undermining the US with communist agitprop we instead have the ultra-Orthodox lobbies urging Co-Dominion ala Jerry Pournelle.
| 698 |
Killgore Trout Mon, May 18, 2009 5:35:42pm |
re: #685 rightymouse
The information has been given to you up thread.
| 699 |
Nevergiveup Mon, May 18, 2009 5:35:46pm |
03:11 Obama: Sanctions may be used to ensure `Iran understands we are serious.
because sanctions worked so well in.....ah...well maybe in......yeah they worked there.
| 701 |
Lincolntf Mon, May 18, 2009 5:36:06pm |
re: #672 Liberal Classic
Sadly, your well considered and accurate post can be easily negated by some "Killgore-type" posting some Stormfront garbage poll.
I'm not into expository proclamations, but at least half of the reason I became interested in politics and public policy back when I was a kid was racial imbalance.
I take the "All Men Are Created Equally" phrase to be the single most important words in our Founding documents.
| 702 |
pingjockey Mon, May 18, 2009 5:36:11pm |
Thanos, FOGJ, Nevergiveup, I had thought I was one of the few who'd caught the nuance. God I hate that word since Jon F'in Kary.
| 703 |
freetoken Mon, May 18, 2009 5:36:36pm |
re: #669 Iron Fist
Please keep in mind that traffic volume wears down roads much more quickly here.
I've overall been pretty impressed with how well Californians have tried to design roads for travel.
Maintenance of roads in LA is a problem. Less so in San Diego. Most county roads are in good shape. Nevertheless, with millions of vehicles on the road on any given day, wear accumulates quickly.
IMO, the leaky hole in the California economy isn't road costs (or gasoline taxes), it is seriously over-bloated education budgets.
| 704 |
Killgore Trout Mon, May 18, 2009 5:36:46pm |
re: #691 swamprat
I'm not ballbusting about the grassroots/astroturf thing. There's always money behind this stuff anyways and I don't think it really makes a difference either way.
| 705 |
Digital Display Mon, May 18, 2009 5:37:10pm |
re: #694 offendi
I love your Nic..I think Dan Brown show use it in his next novel..
Clever...Hope you are well
| 707 |
gmsc Mon, May 18, 2009 5:37:59pm |
re: #678 garden18
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.
—T.S. Eliot, "The Hollow Men" (1925)Lately, observing Obama, these words seem increasingly prophetic. Obama, fearing to be labeled as an angry black man,
has become a calm, hollow, black appeaser, ready to hand Israel over to Muslim murderers on a silver platter. Well, to correct Eliot, the world will not end with a whimper, at least not with the whimper of a Jew. Israel will fight and defeat the dictator of Iran and won't need Obama's OK to do so.
It's a great poem, but my money goes on Ben Franklin for how the US ends.
Journalist: "Mr. Franklin, what kind of government do we have now?"
Ben Franklin: "A republic, if you can keep it."
| 709 |
Digital Display Mon, May 18, 2009 5:39:16pm |
re: #705 HoosierHoops
I love your Nic..I think Dan Brown
showShould use it in his next novel..
Clever...Hope you are well
PIMF..
Really, besides the spell check button. I think Charles should add an Idiot check button for lizards like me..
jeez
| 710 |
Charles Johnson Mon, May 18, 2009 5:39:48pm |
re: #532 zeebeach
Well, hell, I guess we need to forfeit our right to assembly, then, huh?
Do you have any idea how absurd you sound when you dramatically overreact like that?
| 711 |
offendi Mon, May 18, 2009 5:40:00pm |
re: #654 Nevergiveup
Those points are all valid and well-taken. But Russia has to do something in the western hemisphere to get Obama to give up the Ukraine to them. He was willling to end the missile defence system in Eastern Europe if Russia would agree to stronger sanctions against Iran.
They all see he is just a talker. Or as they say, "a lover, not a fighter".
| 712 |
Killgore Trout Mon, May 18, 2009 5:40:05pm |
Update on the attempted Paulian coup at the South Carolina GOP caucus....
Mark Sanford Fires Back At Lindsey Graham In Defense Of Libertarians
| 713 |
screaming_eagle Mon, May 18, 2009 5:40:09pm |
re: #699 Nevergiveup
03:11 Obama: Sanctions may be used to ensure `Iran understands we are serious.
because sanctions worked so well in.....ah...well maybe in......yeah they worked there.
Yeh like how well they worked with Iran's next door neighbor. Maybe France would like to cut some new under the table deals.
| 714 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, May 18, 2009 5:40:50pm |
re: #712 Killgore Trout
Update on the attempted Paulian coup at the South Carolina GOP caucus....
Mark Sanford Fires Back At Lindsey Graham In Defense Of Libertarians
[Video]
KILLGORE, you just won't stop it, will you? Good job. :)
| 715 |
3 wood Mon, May 18, 2009 5:41:00pm |
re: #690 Killgore Trout
Cool, that's something to look out for. Have we lost our credit rating on our debt before or will this be a first?
Not in modern times that I know of.
| 716 |
Randall Gross Mon, May 18, 2009 5:41:14pm |
re: #696 J.S.
I have not, obviously, attended a Tea Party (seeing as how I'm in Canada). thus all info is from first-hand, or second-hand accounts..to my knowledge there has been no "survey data" (conducted independently ) to verify the demographics of who actually attended....In so far as who's behind the Tea Paty protests, I've read from a Wiki artilce that "The Tea Party protests have been guided by a leadership team of 27 conservative-leaning political and media figures." (perhaps not all of these groups are OK? perhaps some are definitely fringe? but at what point is the whole thing discounted?)
Some of them are not Ok, I don't see HJTA as terrible, but there are a lot of Paleos involved in the movement. We need to note that as it passes. Most of the people who vote for VB are ok, and not tribal nationalists, but on the other hand you have to disagree with their leadership's real rather than stated aims.
You don't see Republicans as a group out for demonstrations very often, and especially not in off election years. When you do you have to look at who's whipping the populist froth behind the scenes. I agree that others are taking this as an advantage to recruit, notice that Code Pink has also showed up at some of these. They recognize opportunity in populist angst when they see it.
| 717 |
Killgore Trout Mon, May 18, 2009 5:41:37pm |
re: #714 Walter L. Newton
I'm obsessed, I'm imagining all of this and my feet stink!
| 718 |
swamprat Mon, May 18, 2009 5:42:18pm |
re: #704 Killgore Trout
I'm not ballbusting about the grassroots/astroturf thing. There's always money behind this stuff anyways and I don't think it really makes a difference either way.
I view "grassroots" claims with the same degree of believability as UFO claims or ghosts.
| 719 |
sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 5:42:36pm |
re: #717 Killgore Trout
I'm obsessed, I'm imagining all of this and my feet stink!
I'll bet that comment ios 50% accurate !
| 720 |
Charles Johnson Mon, May 18, 2009 5:42:47pm |
re: #464 loppyd
OK. We'll never have another protest again because a Nazi may or may not be among us wearing a polo shirt and khakis.
Overreaction.
| 722 |
abolitionist Mon, May 18, 2009 5:43:35pm |
re: #308 loppyd
Did they have scary yellow flags with scary snakes? Alert the DHS!
Watched the Jericho episodes recently on Youtube. The Don't Tread On Me flag (with the snake) is in the closing scene of the final episode (season 1).
Main plot involves several US cities destroyed simultaneously by, um, modern weapons. Most of it was interesting, but I found the flip-floppy re-characterizations of the main players tiresome and hard to take, along with the advocacy of powering hospital facilities with windmills. Several of the main players are related to the GREEN family, directly or indirectly. One sponsor of the series is an anti-coal environmental organization which encourages mob actions against private industries, mainly in order to influence public opinion and legislation.
| 723 |
garden18 Mon, May 18, 2009 5:43:48pm |
re: #707 gmsc
Yes, Obama is destroying the Republic. Have you seen how he is greeted by smiling mobs wherever he goes? This is positively frightening. He can do no wrong since gaining rock star status thanks to the fawning media.
| 724 |
Randall Gross Mon, May 18, 2009 5:43:56pm |
re: #712 Killgore Trout
That's the RP logo in the bottom scroll
| 725 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, May 18, 2009 5:44:14pm |
| 726 |
rightymouse Mon, May 18, 2009 5:44:50pm |
re: #679 HoosierHoops
You want to know the worst blush..Last Christmas I flew out alot of my family from Cali.. I took them all to the Company Christmas party..We had a blast..Just about 1am there was a young girl..a new hire dancing on the floor by herself..My wife and little sister asked who she was..I wasn't sure i told them..
Mama goes..Are you rude? Why is she all by herself out there? I dunno..
So I went to dance with her...( very cute) We are out there for a couple of minutes when she just looked at me seriously...locked my eyes..Why are you here?
I pointed at my table..My Wife made me dance with you..
I have never blushed so bad in my life...
She still works for us..I'm turning red as I post this..LOL
Know what? You just made my day!
You're a very nice man. Your wife is a happy woman. :)
| 727 |
offendi Mon, May 18, 2009 5:44:51pm |
re: #705 HoosierHoops
My best to you. I am quite well and am back at this site to read the comments of its intelligent and sane people, which I cannot find much of elsewhere.
| 728 |
DEZes Mon, May 18, 2009 5:45:16pm |
re: #725 Dark_Falcon
Agreed.
I'm mostly lurking right now while 24 is on.
Ah crap I missed 45 minutes of it.
| 729 |
Randall Gross Mon, May 18, 2009 5:45:23pm |
re: #725 Dark_Falcon
Agreed.
I'm mostly lurking right now while 24 is on.
That's right... season finale...
/ back later
| 730 |
alegrias Mon, May 18, 2009 5:45:30pm |
re: #681 Nevergiveup
I heard Ron Howard say something to the effect he wakes up happy every day now that Obama is elected. Oh and by the way Ron--Nice hair! And Tom Hanks sat there next to him nodding. Assholes.
* * * *
I don't go to their movies ever. Not one penny from me.
| 731 |
Gus Mon, May 18, 2009 5:45:49pm |
re: #712 Killgore Trout
Update on the attempted Paulian coup at the South Carolina GOP caucus....
Mark Sanford Fires Back At Lindsey Graham In Defense Of Libertarians
[Video]
Essentially that's an endorsement by Mark Sanford even it is construed as being indirect.
| 732 |
sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 5:46:01pm |
| 733 |
Randall Gross Mon, May 18, 2009 5:46:01pm |
| 734 |
Lincolntf Mon, May 18, 2009 5:46:54pm |
re: #683 Walter L. Newton
You just accused me of being "pithy" to avoid making a point? Geez, what do you want?
I've stated my position (and the reality of the Tea Party that I attended) about a zillion times.
No Nazi's. No Paulians. No Esperanto advocates, either.
I can't help what people think. In fact, I'm not particularly interested in changing anyone's mind (at least not someone who exists to me only as pixels on a website), either. I just like to state facts when I see that fiction is overcoming them.
Walter, you're probably poster Numero Uno around here, and I know that some animals are more equal than others, but would it kill ya' to take a dispassionate look at the Tea Parties?
Lest you accuse me of dodging some question, I'll answer plainly. The Tea Parties, as I know them, are fundamentally about concerned taxpayers (who used to not really be concerned) realizing that Gov't really can fuck up your life with the stroke of a pen. It's not a politically sophisticated movement, nor is it as partisan as people seem to think. I don't expect them to change the world, nor do I expect the world to change to accomodate them. They're basically the kind of Town Meetings that have been supplanted by the two major Parties taking a step back towards their rightful place in American politics.
| 735 |
sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 5:47:21pm |
| 736 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, May 18, 2009 5:47:37pm |
| 737 |
experiencedtraveller Mon, May 18, 2009 5:47:41pm |
re: #700 Iron Fist
Pardon the buttinsky but a 6.5% mortgage should be refinanced.
| 738 |
DEZes Mon, May 18, 2009 5:48:02pm |
| 739 |
alegrias Mon, May 18, 2009 5:48:14pm |
re: #682 Sharmuta
What's gotten into the AP? They're fact checking 0bama again:
* * * *
Wait for it--the Teachers Unions that so messed up US public schools, will need a BAILOUT of their pensions.
As if Teachers UNIONS care about the kids.
In DC, charter schools use 50% less tax money per child and crank our readers, writers & arithmetickers.
Public DC schools use $15,000 per child and have NOTHING to show for it.
| 740 |
TheMatrix31 Mon, May 18, 2009 5:48:19pm |
I have to wait til 9:30 Pacific to watch. I'm going to my brother's house to watch the finale. TiVoing to skip commercials.
| 741 |
sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 5:49:21pm |
re: #737 experiencedtraveller
Pardon the buttinsky but a 6.5% mortgage should be refinanced.
YESTERDAY ,, hell , he can get a 15 year at under 4.5% and pay then just a tad more than he's paying NOW
| 742 |
3 wood Mon, May 18, 2009 5:49:29pm |
By the way, M1 (cash) has grown at a rate of about 15.8% over the past 12 months.
For comparison purposes, the general target is 3% to 5%.
| 743 |
J.S. Mon, May 18, 2009 5:49:43pm |
re: #716 Thanos
Yep. (I'd also note that Glenn Beck is pretty much a Ron Paulian and he, Beck, also sees the "opportunity.")
| 744 |
Irish Rose Mon, May 18, 2009 5:50:57pm |
Say Hoops, did you happen to notice that the stalkers are still whining like children over on "Defenseman"'s blog?
Some people need to get a life, and others need to be put into a straightjacket and hospitalized. I'd say that Defensemans' blog demonstrates that fact rather eloquently.
| 745 |
Racer X Mon, May 18, 2009 5:51:05pm |
re: #742 3 wood
By the way, M1 (cash) has grown at a rate of about 15.8% over the past 12 months.
For comparison purposes, the general target is 3% to 5%.
Meaning the dollar in my pocket is soon to be worth about 10% less than today right?
| 746 |
gmsc Mon, May 18, 2009 5:51:43pm |
Serious question to Charles/Killgore/Walter:
OK, you've identified a problem – Paulians and Nazis at Tea Party protests.
That's enough about the problem. What's your solution? Do we avoid supporting/attending the Tea Party protests and other tax revolts because people who have different motives are attending them?
| 748 |
WindHorse Mon, May 18, 2009 5:52:37pm |
re: #563 3 wood
....and gold..... what about gold? Did you clean the gold? (obscure reference to a a line in "Brain Candy" by Kids in the Hall)
| 749 |
Sharmuta Mon, May 18, 2009 5:52:39pm |
re: #746 gmsc
Serious question to Charles/Killgore/Walter:
OK, you've identified a problem – Paulians and Nazis at Tea Party protests.
That's enough about the problem. What's your solution? Do we avoid supporting/attending the Tea Party protests and other tax revolts because people who have different motives are attending them?
Here's my question:
What is the goal of these protests?
| 750 |
alegrias Mon, May 18, 2009 5:52:46pm |
re: #723 garden18
Yes, Obama is destroying the Republic. Have you seen how he is greeted by smiling mobs wherever he goes? This is positively frightening. He can do no wrong since gaining rock star status thanks to the fawning media.
* * * *
Even my old mother heard people on tv protesting Pres. Obama's speech at Notre Dame U.
So the fawning adulation is not universal.
| 751 |
Racer X Mon, May 18, 2009 5:52:50pm |
So my iMac needs a new logic board. Apple wants about $600 to fix it. Screw that.
| 752 |
loppyd Mon, May 18, 2009 5:55:41pm |
re: #720 Charles
Overreaction.
In your eyes, maybe.
How do you suggest we determine who is a Nazi and who isnt'? Impossible to do.
I will not live that way and I will not be found guilty by association by people who are bent on doing so to prove a point.
| 753 |
sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 5:56:30pm |
re: #749 Sharmuta
Here's my question:
What is the goal of these protests?
simply put, to show politicians that some people ARE watching them and are NOT happy. For a long time they;ve been sent to Washington and never heard from again till the next election cycle.
You can blog all you want, fire off dozens of e-mails to your congressman, write letters to the editor of your paper, but when thousands of people are roaming around city streets they WILL take notice
| 754 |
DEZes Mon, May 18, 2009 5:56:46pm |
re: #750 alegrias
* * * *
Even my old mother heard people on tv protesting Pres. Obama's speech at Notre Dame U.So the fawning adulation is not universal.
Those not fawning are scorned as bigots and racists, or having ODS.
| 755 |
loppyd Mon, May 18, 2009 5:56:59pm |
re: #749 Sharmuta
Here's my question:
What is the goal of these protests?
Good grief. Are you going to suggest a central planning office again?
| 756 |
Digital Display Mon, May 18, 2009 5:58:06pm |
re: #744 Irish Rose
Say Hoops, did you happen to notice that the stalkers are still whining like children over on "Defenseman"'s blog?
Some people need to get a life, and others need to be put into a straightjacket and hospitalized. I'd say that Defensemans' blog demonstrates that fact rather eloquently.
Hi Irish! Hope today finds you well...
I didn't notice lately after I got in that 6 hour running battle with an ex-lizard that claimed charles banned him for no reason at all at another blog last month.
I shredded his story for hours while all these stalkers showed up to defend him...Edgar you still suck..
So I figure I'll just hang around here and enjoy the wonderful talented lizards here that are sane..
If I want a real fight I'll go to the Pub and declare the Colts suck..Now that is a fight...
| 757 |
sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 5:58:14pm |
re: #755 loppyd
Good grief. Are you going to suggest a central planning office again?
We could clean out Mr Jones;s barn and put on a play !
//
| 758 |
KingKenrod Mon, May 18, 2009 5:58:42pm |
re: #749 Sharmuta
Here's my question:
What is the goal of these protests?
I think the first goal of any protest is to focus public attention on an issue. That's why the message has to be simple and focused and the nuts can't be tolerated.
| 759 |
Killgore Trout Mon, May 18, 2009 5:58:42pm |
re: #731 Gus 802
Essentially that's an endorsement by Mark Sanford even it is construed as being indirect.
I think so too.
| 760 |
TheMatrix31 Mon, May 18, 2009 5:58:59pm |
re: #749 Sharmuta
Here's my question:
What is the goal of these protests?
Same as all protests (which is why I hate protests).....to bitch about something.
| 761 |
Lincolntf Mon, May 18, 2009 5:59:01pm |
re: #755 loppyd
No plan has ever survived "central planning".
I even (semi-succesfully) argued against establishing a "membership list" for our local Tea Party folks.
| 762 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, May 18, 2009 5:59:17pm |
re: #734 Lincolntf
I have been looking, both on my own, and reading links that Lizards have posted, Charles and Killgore included.
The thing that has struck me the most is the almost total lack of any of the different organizers and groups that associate with these events to even try to distance themselves from the wing nuts that are trying to hang on to these events.
If these tax events are trying to act like a big tent, fine, but still, when is Beck or some of the more visible "leaders" of these events going to take a step back for a moment and say "hold it, some of you folks are not welcome here."
Nope, I'm not seeing any of that. Yet, there is more than enough proof that the wing nuts are latching on to these events and riding the crest of the wave with all the others.
The fact that you haven't seen any of this kooks doesn't negate the facts that are available.
| 763 |
3 wood Mon, May 18, 2009 6:00:05pm |
re: #745 Racer X
Meaning the dollar in my pocket is soon to be worth about 10% less than today right?
I think inflation could be higher, but you get the point.
| 764 |
3 wood Mon, May 18, 2009 6:01:17pm |
re: #748 WindHorse
....and gold..... what about gold? Did you clean the gold? (obscure reference to a a line in "Brain Candy" by Kids in the Hall)
Gold is very volatile on the market and expensive to keep. Be careful if that is a way anyone decides to go.
| 765 |
Gus Mon, May 18, 2009 6:01:19pm |
re: #759 Killgore Trout
I think so too.
Mark Sanford has some off the wall quote out there that he made regarding evolution and birds (?). I forgot the exact quote but it's completely ridiculous and he's apparently and IDer.
| 766 |
avanti Mon, May 18, 2009 6:01:42pm |
re: #721 Iron Fist
In some ways it doesn't matter, but I've always wanted to hear someone ask Obama when and how did he get clean? It's a pretty iimportant question, and it is one that I don't think the answer to is able to be found in what we know about him.
I have a few friends that have tried coke for weeks or months years ago, and just quit. Not everyone gets addicted like crack users tend to.
| 767 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, May 18, 2009 6:02:03pm |
re: #746 gmsc
Serious question to Charles/Killgore/Walter:
OK, you've identified a problem – Paulians and Nazis at Tea Party protests.
That's enough about the problem. What's your solution? Do we avoid supporting/attending the Tea Party protests and other tax revolts because people who have different motives are attending them?
No, but we make enough stink about it and hope that the "leaders" of these events make it known that they are not interested in supporting any of the kooks that are trying to hang on to these gathering.
And on the Ron Paul issue, well, they certainly need to be told to bug off.
When I start hearing that, I'll reconsider.
| 768 |
Killgore Trout Mon, May 18, 2009 6:02:07pm |
re: #724 Thanos
Sorry but there's no other way to post the clip. I assume it was filmed by the Paulians themselves. If it was text I could do it through google cache. Otherwise there's no other way I could post Govenor Sanford's tacit endorsement of the Pualian agenda.
| 769 |
swamprat Mon, May 18, 2009 6:02:20pm |
re: #723 garden18
Yes, Obama is destroying the Republic. Have you seen how he is greeted by smiling mobs wherever he goes? This is positively frightening. He can do no wrong since gaining rock star status thanks to the fawning media.
The republic still stands. One naive, left leaning, well meaning, populist pup won't kill us. Hell, we might both learn a little something-something.
| 770 |
sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 6:02:45pm |
| 771 |
DEZes Mon, May 18, 2009 6:03:15pm |
re: #764 3 wood
Gold is very volatile on the market and expensive to keep. Be careful if that is a way anyone decides to go.
I see gold being billed as the way to go, even coins which is totally insane to me.
how should one be careful?
| 772 |
Digital Display Mon, May 18, 2009 6:03:46pm |
re: #762 Walter L. Newton
Hi Walter! How is the show going?
| 773 |
Achilles Tang Mon, May 18, 2009 6:03:48pm |
re: #4 Sharmuta
The Iranian regime isn't interested in peace. Full stop.
In a manner of speaking they are. They call it "End Times/ The Coming of Whatshisname". I believe the little twerp who represents them calls for it at the beginning of most speeches he makes.
Of course we have a few copycats close to home as well. I'm thinking of those who think the Left Behind series is prophesy.
| 774 |
Sharmuta Mon, May 18, 2009 6:03:54pm |
re: #755 loppyd
Great answer. Thank you for clearing that up for me.
| 775 |
gmsc Mon, May 18, 2009 6:05:13pm |
re: #767 Walter L. Newton
No, but we make enough stink about it and hope that the "leaders" of these events make it known that they are not interested in supporting any of the kooks that are trying to hang on to these gathering.
And on the Ron Paul issue, well, they certainly need to be told to bug off.
When I start hearing that, I'll reconsider.
OK, so the Ron Paul nuts and the Nazis are told they are not welcome to attend the Tea Party protests and Tax Revolts.
What happens if they decide to attend anyway? I don't believe this to be an unlikely scenario.
| 776 |
Irish Rose Mon, May 18, 2009 6:05:26pm |
re: #756 HoosierHoops
....an ex-lizard that claimed charles banned him for no reason at all
"I was banned for______! I was just sitting there minding my own innocent ass one day, doing absolutely nothing wrong, when King Charles swooped down out of nowhere and banned me for absolutely no reason at all! "
/broken record
| 777 |
Lincolntf Mon, May 18, 2009 6:05:48pm |
re: #762 Walter L. Newton
Facts are one thing. Internet/pop-political posturing are another.
I'm afraid that I'm going to stick with the "meat-world" when it comes to my political activity relative to the Tea Parties.
Too many basement dwellers with DSL out there who are dying to portray themselves as a part of something to which they have no connection.
| 778 |
Gus Mon, May 18, 2009 6:05:57pm |
re: #759 Killgore Trout
I think so too.
Here's the quote from Sanford which was on LGF:
DS: What do you think about the idea of teaching alternatives to Darwin’s Theory of Evolution in public schools* for instance Intelligent Design?
Gov. Sanford: I have no problem with it.
DS: Do you think it should be done that way? Rather than just teaching evolution?
Gov. Sanford: Well I think that it’s just, and science is more and more documenting this, is that there are real “chinks” in the armor of evolution being the only way we came about. The idea of there being a, you know, a little mud hole and two mosquitoes get together and the next thing you know you have a human being* is completely at odds with, you know, one of the laws of thermodynamics which is the law of, of ... in essence, destruction.
Whether you think about your bedroom and how messy it gets over time or you think about the decay in the building itself over time. Things don’t naturally order themselves towards progression*. Uuummm.. in the natural order of things. So, it’s in fact, it’s against fairly basic laws of physics* and so I would not have a problem in teaching both * Uh, you saying this is one theory and this is another theory.
He's a real sub-genius.
| 779 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, May 18, 2009 6:07:17pm |
re: #772 HoosierHoops
Hi Walter! How is the show going?
We still have two more weeks (this was a seven week run) and we are doing wonderful. Most of the rest of the show (and the last two weeks past) are sold out. Only about 10-15 seats left per performance.
All the reviews were A+, audiences have been laughing hard and hearty, so I suspect we are doing our job.
And you?
| 781 |
Digital Display Mon, May 18, 2009 6:08:38pm |
re: #766 avanti
I have a few friends that have tried coke for weeks or months years ago, and just quit. Not everyone gets addicted like crack users tend to.
It's complex..What is the difference between smoking crack, snorting coke, Shooting H, or popping pills? I'm sure there are degrees of addiction..But does that really matter? Degrees...
/I saw a freaking Avanti car Sunday..Thought about you..But good gawd..What an ugly car dude..uhggg! :)
| 782 |
Charles Johnson Mon, May 18, 2009 6:08:39pm |
re: #712 Killgore Trout
Update on the attempted Paulian coup at the South Carolina GOP caucus....
Mark Sanford Fires Back At Lindsey Graham In Defense Of Libertarians
[Video]
Good freaking grief. This is getting really crazy.
Mark Sanford, by the way, is an extremely dim creationist, like almost every top GOP politician. His answers in an interview with WIS TV are so incredibly moronic they'll give you a cluster headache:
DS: What do you think about the idea of teaching alternatives to Darwin’s Theory of Evolution in public schools* for instance Intelligent Design?
Gov. Sanford: I have no problem with it.
DS: Do you think it should be done that way? Rather than just teaching evolution?
Gov. Sanford: Well I think that it’s just, and science is more and more documenting this, is that there are real “chinks” in the armor of evolution being the only way we came about. The idea of there being a, you know, a little mud hole and two mosquitoes get together and the next thing you know you have a human being* is completely at odds with, you know, one of the laws of thermodynamics which is the law of, of ... in essence, destruction.
Whether you think about your bedroom and how messy it gets over time or you think about the decay in the building itself over time. Things don’t naturally order themselves towards progression*. Uuummm.. in the natural order of things. So, it’s in fact, it’s against fairly basic laws of physics* and so I would not have a problem in teaching both * Uh, you saying this is one theory and this is another theory.
| 783 |
garden18 Mon, May 18, 2009 6:09:02pm |
re: #750 alegrias
Sorry, I did not listen to his speech. I am encouraged that there are still a few brave souls who dare to protest. Within a short time, however, it will be a crime to disagree with the Omamanator.
| 785 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, May 18, 2009 6:09:21pm |
re: #777 Lincolntf
Facts are one thing. Internet/pop-political posturing are another.
I'm afraid that I'm going to stick with the "meat-world" when it comes to my political activity relative to the Tea Parties.
Too many basement dwellers with DSL out there who are dying to portray themselves as a part of something to which they have no connection.
Yep, the same attitude in the 1930's, until is was too late to notice the elephant in the room. You know, I can't see germs, but I take healthy precautions against them. To each his own.
| 786 |
loppyd Mon, May 18, 2009 6:10:12pm |
re: #774 Sharmuta
Great answer. Thank you for clearing that up for me.
The answer to your question was obvious.
You choose to keep asking it hoping for an answer that fits your agenda.
| 787 |
Irenike Mon, May 18, 2009 6:10:22pm |
You know we're in trouble when the Israelis view the German leadership as more favorable toward Israel than is the United States. The Jerusalem Post's survey shows that 37% of Israelis think Merkel is pro-Israel, while only 31% believe Obama is pro-Israel. Here is the link.
I never thought there would come a day, post-Shoah, when Israelis would see the Krauts as more favorably inclined toward helping them than Americans.
Wait until Teleprompter sells out Israel even more. Will Americans finally wake up? Or are they too fucking stupid and apathetic?
| 788 |
sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 6:10:31pm |
re: #776 Irish Rose
"I was banned for______! I was just sitting there minding my own innocent ass one day, doing absolutely nothing wrong, when King Charles swooped down out of nowhere and banned me for absolutely no reason at all! "
/broken record
So he went out with a whimper, not a BANG! !
| 790 |
Gus Mon, May 18, 2009 6:10:43pm |
re: #784 Charles
Ya beat me to it!
:) I should memorize that Sanford quote. Thermodynamics, sheesh -- the guy is a quack.
| 791 |
Killgore Trout Mon, May 18, 2009 6:11:01pm |
re: #782 Charles
I've been wondering how the Paulians are going to get along with the religious right. Looks like they'll get along fine.
| 792 |
HelloDare Mon, May 18, 2009 6:11:10pm |
re: #50 Desert Dog
Well, we still have MAD and that is about our only defense. Tracking signatures of isotopes is possible. Every blast will leave a distinctive trail. If they blow up Israel or an American city, they can still kiss their asses good bye. They can hurt us badly, we can erase them from existence. I hope that fact is enough of a deterrent.
MAD won't work against the mad Mullahs in Iran.
A passage from the Ayatollah Khomeini, quoted in an 11th-grade Iranian schoolbook, is revealing. "I am decisively announcing to the whole world that if the world-devourers [i.e., the infidel powers] wish to stand against our religion, we will stand against their whole world and will not cease until the annihilation of all them. Either we all become free, or we will go to the greater freedom which is martyrdom. Either we shake one another's hands in joy at the victory of Islam in the world, or all of us will turn to eternal life and martyrdom. In both cases, victory and success are ours."
In this context, mutual assured destruction, the deterrent that worked so well during the Cold War, would have no meaning. At the end of time, there will be general destruction anyway. What will matter will be the final destination of the dead--hell for the infidels, and heaven for the believers. For people with this mindset, MAD is not a constraint; it is an inducement.
| 793 |
swamprat Mon, May 18, 2009 6:11:28pm |
re: #783 garden18
Sorry, I did not listen to his speech. I am encouraged that there are still a few brave souls who dare to protest. Within a short time, however, it will be a crime to disagree with the Omamanator.
You base this prediction on what?
Got a link?
| 794 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, May 18, 2009 6:12:10pm |
re: #783 garden18
Sorry, I did not listen to his speech. I am encouraged that there are still a few brave souls who dare to protest. Within a short time, however, it will be a crime to disagree with the Omamanator.
And how do you know that? Can you supply some comments, debate on that subject, or did you just pull that out of you're rear end?
How do you think this will happen? What kind of legislation would congress, the house and the president have to pass to put this into effect? Explain the process to me and the odds of it happening?
(like it will answer)
| 795 |
Sharmuta Mon, May 18, 2009 6:12:29pm |
re: #786 loppyd
The obvious answer is you guys want to bitch. Have fun.
| 796 |
sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 6:12:39pm |
re: #786 loppyd
The answer to your question was obvious.
You choose to keep asking it hoping for an answer that fits your agenda.
She recieved several direct and cogent answers, all of which she ignored. What she DIDN't ignore were the sarcastic ones, all of which she downdinged
| 797 |
Gus Mon, May 18, 2009 6:12:58pm |
re: #791 Killgore Trout
I've been wondering how the Paulians are going to get along with the religious right. Looks like they'll get along fine.
They're already there with Lew Rockwell and his gang as well as the other paleo-cons.
| 798 |
Achilles Tang Mon, May 18, 2009 6:13:00pm |
re: #753 sattv4u2
simply put, to show politicians that some people ARE watching them and are NOT happy. For a long time they;ve been sent to Washington and never heard from again till the next election cycle.
You can blog all you want, fire off dozens of e-mails to your congressman, write letters to the editor of your paper, but when thousands of people are roaming around city streets they WILL take notice
I thought the protests (tea) were against the stimulus principle. They believe the ships should be left to sink. Can't say I always disagree, but if the stock market stays chugging as it is, I doubt we will remember them in a year.
As to watching the politicians, what's new about that? Assholes come and assholes go and politicians have more than most, largely because they have to try to please so many contradictory asshole voters to be elected; but that is our system. Get used to it, and vote.
Personally I think places like LGF have more influence than a flash in the pan tea party.
| 799 |
Sharmuta Mon, May 18, 2009 6:13:40pm |
re: #796 sattv4u2
I didn't ignore anything, and I dinged down the smartass answers because they deserved it.
| 800 |
Digital Display Mon, May 18, 2009 6:14:40pm |
re: #776 Irish Rose
"I was banned for______! I was just sitting there minding my own innocent ass one day, doing absolutely nothing wrong, when King Charles swooped down out of nowhere and banned me for absolutely no reason at all! "
/broken record
Honest to God..I was cruising by and they said nothing happened..I was rubbing my dogs belly..And he banned me..
Well..the brakes went full squeel..
Jeez..Nothing at all?
Nope..He was unfair to me
Did you break a Rule?
After the setup and shredded the boy...And said I was going to email Charles to retrieve the I wish I had a suitcase nuke in a holy city post..And I was laving..But then..They just came out of the woodwork..Every banned lizard attacking me...It was on!
I now have a list of 50 ways to leave your lover...Poor babies..At 4am i id them fairwell and will never visit again...( that's forever )
| 801 |
gmsc Mon, May 18, 2009 6:14:40pm |
re: #795 Sharmuta
The obvious answer is you guys want to bitch. Have fun.
I think you're right.
I've asked about a solution to the constantly-mentioned Paulian/Nazi problem at tax protests, and the only solution I've heard so far is "ask them not to attend."
| 802 |
rightymouse Mon, May 18, 2009 6:14:47pm |
re: #752 loppyd
In your eyes, maybe.
How do you suggest we determine who is a Nazi and who isnt'? Impossible to do.
I will not live that way and I will not be found guilty by association by people who are bent on doing so to prove a point.
Amen.
There are too many among us who conflate the actions/beliefs of a few with the will/purpose of the majority.
In these times, I reflect on the words and wisdom of our founders who knew the difference between force and freedom.
| 803 |
garden18 Mon, May 18, 2009 6:15:20pm |
re: #793 swamprat
Well, ok, maybe I used hyperbole to make a point. However, can you point to a single protest rally where someone carried an anti-Obama poster?
| 804 |
loppyd Mon, May 18, 2009 6:15:26pm |
re: #795 Sharmuta
The obvious answer is you guys want to bitch. Have fun.
Right.
Have fun in fantasy land.
| 807 |
Lincolntf Mon, May 18, 2009 6:17:38pm |
re: #785 Walter L. Newton
The 1930's? As in the Nazi's? You can't be serious. Name one single organization, from B'nai Brith to the NAACP, that you can say with 100% certainty contains nobody with Nazi sympathies.
I'm not going to live in fear (and silence) because some Nazi might show up at something that might be politically charged in nature.
Anyway, I'm not gonna fight this pointless battle on-line. You've made up your mind and I'm still waiting to see what happens (and perhaps influence what happens, which would be good for the Patriotic soul).
I'm genuinely curious about that Picasso play. Did that go off yet, or is it for the fall?
| 808 |
gmsc Mon, May 18, 2009 6:18:35pm |
Well, I guess it's time to move from the "Tea Parties are bad because they're associated with Paulians and Nazis" thread to the "Vaccinations are bad because they're associated with autism" thread.
| 809 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, May 18, 2009 6:19:31pm |
re: #801 gmsc
I think you're right.
I've asked about a solution to the constantly-mentioned Paulian/Nazi problem at tax protests, and the only solution I've heard so far is "ask them not to attend."
You totally misquoted me. I said that the leaders should tell them they are not welcome. A big difference than telling them not to attend. They need to be told that their views are not in line with the views of most of the tax revolt people, they need to be told...
Damn, you know what needs to be done. If we use your logic, than I guess no one ever speaks out against anything, becuase it will do no good.
Get back to me when you even have ONE link or ONE piece of information that any of the tax event leaders have publicly spoken out against folks like Paul and the neo-Nazi's who are hanging their hat with these people.
Until then...
| 810 |
Charles Johnson Mon, May 18, 2009 6:20:09pm |
re: #801 gmsc
I think you're right.
I've asked about a solution to the constantly-mentioned Paulian/Nazi problem at tax protests, and the only solution I've heard so far is "ask them not to attend."
Any solution would start with not denying that there's a problem.
| 811 |
sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 6:20:19pm |
re: #798 Naso Tang
If the stock market stays chugging as it is, I doubt we will remember them in a year.
But here's the rub. The stock market is showing stability and if it continues, coupled with the positive news today vis a vis the housing sector, soon followed by the job market, THE problem wioll be that most of the stimulus is scheduled to be spent AFTER the recoveries (when there will be no need for it ) needlessly spending money we don't need
| 812 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, May 18, 2009 6:20:38pm |
re: #807 Lincolntf
The 1930's? As in the Nazi's? You can't be serious. Name one single organization, from B'nai Brith to the NAACP, that you can say with 100% certainty contains nobody with Nazi sympathies.
I'm not going to live in fear (and silence) because some Nazi might show up at something that might be politically charged in nature.Anyway, I'm not gonna fight this pointless battle on-line. You've made up your mind and I'm still waiting to see what happens (and perhaps influence what happens, which would be good for the Patriotic soul).
I'm genuinely curious about that Picasso play. Did that go off yet, or is it for the fall?
Fall (you can get info here)
[Link: www.minersalley.com...]
| 813 |
rightymouse Mon, May 18, 2009 6:21:36pm |
re: #808 gmsc
Well, I guess it's time to move from the "Tea Parties are bad because they're associated with Paulians and Nazis" thread to the "Vaccinations are bad because they're associated with autism" thread.
Definitely time for me to head out and watch '24'.
My son's autistic and nobody really knows what caused that. Lots of theories, though.
G'night.
| 814 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, May 18, 2009 6:21:45pm |
re: #803 garden18
Well, ok, maybe I used hyperbole to make a point. However, can you point to a single protest rally where someone carried an anti-Obama poster?
Have you looked at the links to any of the tea party events? There have been dozens of them, and they all are based on anti-obama protests.
What planet are you from?
| 815 |
Lincolntf Mon, May 18, 2009 6:22:35pm |
re: #812 Walter L. Newton
Danke.
My wife has a good friend who teaches at CSU. Is that anywhere near Golden?
| 816 |
sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 6:22:43pm |
re: #806 loppyd
Rich, coming from you.
gave you an upding ,, NOT because what you posted was so great ,, just to offset the downding surely coming !
///
| 817 |
swamprat Mon, May 18, 2009 6:23:40pm |
re: #803 garden18
Well, ok, maybe I used hyperbole to make a point. However, can you point to a single protest rally where someone carried an anti-Obama poster?
Probably.
Bigger problem is the thought of gov money getting injected into the economy with who knows what strings attached. Time will tell. If things go badly, America will vote differently. I think Barrack is smart enough to avoid driving off a cliff. He might head that way, but he knows enough to not mess up in a big way. And even if he does, we'll just learn to vote better.
| 818 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, May 18, 2009 6:24:26pm |
re: #815 Lincolntf
Danke.
My wife has a good friend who teaches at CSU. Is that anywhere near Golden?
ABout 45 miles north of denver, in the fort collins area.
| 819 |
gmsc Mon, May 18, 2009 6:24:40pm |
re: #809 Walter L. Newton
You totally misquoted me. I said that the leaders should tell them they are not welcome. A big difference than telling them not to attend. They need to be told that their views are not in line with the views of most of the tax revolt people, they need to be told...
Damn, you know what needs to be done. If we use your logic, than I guess no one ever speaks out against anything, becuase it will do no good.
Get back to me when you even have ONE link or ONE piece of information that any of the tax event leaders have publicly spoken out against folks like Paul and the neo-Nazi's who are hanging their hat with these people.
Until then...
Again, what's the next step after they're told they're not welcome. Surely you don't believe that they would stop attending just because they're told they're not welcome. There are probably even some who would be more energzed to attend.
What's the next step?
re: #810 Charles
Any solution would start with not denying that there's a problem.
If I'm denying there's a problem, why am I sincerely asking for a solution to it?
| 820 |
sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 6:25:17pm |
OT ,, the REAL Ellen Brokovich is way hotter than Julia Roberts was portraying her, IMHO
(the real one is doing some commercial)
| 821 |
LGoPs Mon, May 18, 2009 6:25:33pm |
re: #810 Charles
Any solution would start with not denying that there's a problem.
Fine. I don't deny it. I'm still planning to attend the next one.
| 822 |
loppyd Mon, May 18, 2009 6:25:34pm |
| 823 |
swamprat Mon, May 18, 2009 6:26:56pm |
Uh, guys.
I think Garden Hoser 18 wants us to link to a bunch of anti-Obama pics so he can prove we're haters.
| 824 |
sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 6:29:02pm |
re: #810 Charles
Any solution would start with not denying that there's a problem.
followed by ,,,,,,!?!?!?!
My "solution" would be to start with yours and make it VERY public that truthers and the like are NOT welcome but continue on with the cause only with the organizers being transparent
| 825 |
Achilles Tang Mon, May 18, 2009 6:29:20pm |
re: #811 sattv4u2
If the stock market stays chugging as it is, I doubt we will remember them in a year.But here's the rub. The stock market is showing stability and if it continues, coupled with the positive news today vis a vis the housing sector, soon followed by the job market, THE problem wioll be that most of the stimulus is scheduled to be spent AFTER the recoveries (when there will be no need for it ) needlessly spending money we don't need
Good point, although I suspect not all of it will be, and I see that many banks in particular are saying they plan to pay back sooner rather than later.
Other things like infrastructure; roads and sometimes bridges to nowhere probably will be spent, but the other side of the coin is that we will in many cases have to spend it anyway.
It would be interesting to see how this somewhat optimistic market would react if all pending stimulus money was suddenly revoked.
| 826 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, May 18, 2009 6:29:21pm |
re: #819 gmsc
If I'm denying there's a problem, why am I sincerely asking for a solution to it?
If you are not denying the problem, then jump in here, help out, got some ideas how to keep the wing nuts from shitting in the pews?
If you are not denying the problem, then let's work on some strategy to prevent the tea party and like groups from becoming a stepping off point for nationalism and protectionist follies.
If you are not denying the problem, then... well, your turn...
| 827 |
LGoPs Mon, May 18, 2009 6:29:27pm |
re: #793 swamprat
You base this prediction on what?
Got a link?
Maybe not a crime but I recall Joe the Plumber got a whole lot of attention for asking a question.
I remember platoons of patriotic journalists going thru Sarah Palins garbage to ferret out the truth about her.
Just for starters.
| 828 |
sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 6:29:49pm |
re: #823 swamprat
Uh, guys.
I think Garden Hoser 18 wants us to link to a bunch of anti-Obama pics so he can prove we're haters.
WTF is a Garden Hoser 18, and why should I give a diseased rats ass what it wants?!?!
| 829 |
experiencedtraveller Mon, May 18, 2009 6:30:10pm |
re: #795 Sharmuta
The obvious answer is you guys want to bitch. Have fun.
How are you Sharmuta? I hope you are well. I pay the taxes on property in New York and New Jersey (Ha! add California and I win the trifecta...)
The taxes in NJ have doubled since 2001.
I have a just grievance and so do many fellow citizens. The Tea Parties were the first event that have ever shown a direct interest to this fundamental issue.
I won't get carried away by any circus acts on the periphery. Its a single issue event for me and I think many people believe the same.
| 830 |
Charles Johnson Mon, May 18, 2009 6:31:05pm |
re: #819 gmsc
If I'm denying there's a problem, why am I sincerely asking for a solution to it?
Look. The reality is that almost none of the people who are organizing these tea parties will even acknowledge the problem. I know of only one case in which people have spoken out against the Ron Paul factions taking over -- and in that case, they got shouted down and kicked out.
To be honest, I doubt that anything will change, no matter what anyone does. When I realized what was going on, I decided not to have anything to do with "tea parties," and so far I haven't seen anything that would change my mind.
| 831 |
LGoPs Mon, May 18, 2009 6:31:27pm |
re: #826 Walter L. Newton
If you are not denying the problem, then jump in here, help out, got some ideas how to keep the wing nuts from shitting in the pews?
If you are not denying the problem, then let's work on some strategy to prevent the tea party and like groups from becoming a stepping off point for nationalism and protectionist follies.
If you are not denying the problem, then... well, your turn...
Democracy is like making sausage. It's an ugly process but the result is far more palatable than any other.
| 832 |
swamprat Mon, May 18, 2009 6:32:10pm |
| 834 |
sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 6:34:18pm |
| 835 |
Achilles Tang Mon, May 18, 2009 6:35:10pm |
re: #829 experiencedtraveller
The taxes in NJ have doubled since 2001.
I have a just grievance and so do many fellow citizens. The Tea Parties were the first event that have ever shown a direct interest to this fundamental issue.
I won't get carried away by any circus acts on the periphery. Its a single issue event for me and I think many people believe the same.
Are property taxes in NJ not based on property values; inflation indexed, so to speak?
| 836 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, May 18, 2009 6:35:24pm |
re: #831 LGoPs
Democracy is like making sausage. It's an ugly process but the result is far more palatable than any other.
Yep, pithy phrases will come to the rescue. I'll save my efforts for NOT supporting something like the tea parties until I hear the organizers make obvious public pronouncements against the kind of kooks that want to squirrel into these events.
End of my story.
| 837 |
sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 6:37:18pm |
re: #825 Naso Tang
Good point, although I suspect not all of it will be, and I see that many banks in particular are saying they plan to pay back sooner rather than later.
Other things like infrastructure; roads and sometimes bridges to nowhere probably will be spent, but the other side of the coin is that we will in many cases have to spend it anyway.
It would be interesting to see how this somewhat optimistic market would react if all pending stimulus money was suddenly revoked.
I don't see anything in the PENDING stimulus projects that are impacting what the stock market and housing numbers are showing today (and for the last several weeeks, in the stock markets case). I think if they came out today and said 'we're NOT going forward with the 2010 and 2011 projects unless theres another downward spiral" that the markets would react one iota
| 838 |
LGoPs Mon, May 18, 2009 6:38:19pm |
re: #781 HoosierHoops
It's complex..What is the difference between smoking crack, snorting coke, Shooting H, or popping pills? I'm sure there are degrees of addiction..But does that really matter? Degrees...
/I saw a freaking Avanti car Sunday..Thought about you..But good gawd..What an ugly car dude..uhggg! :)
It's one of the safest cars on the road. It's so ugly nobody dares hit it.....
/
| 839 |
sattv4u2 Mon, May 18, 2009 6:38:22pm |
| 840 |
Racer X Mon, May 18, 2009 6:38:27pm |
Lets see if I have this about right:
ACORN is to Obama, like Tea Parties are to Ron Paul.
| 841 |
Sharmuta Mon, May 18, 2009 6:39:09pm |
re: #829 experiencedtraveller
I'm fine- thanks. Hope you're well too.
| 842 |
LGoPs Mon, May 18, 2009 6:40:24pm |
re: #836 Walter L. Newton
Yep, pithy phrases will come to the rescue. I'll save my efforts for NOT supporting something like the tea parties until I hear the organizers make obvious public pronouncements against the kind of kooks that want to squirrel into these events.
End of my story.
Cool. And I will exercise my right to attend them.
End of my story.
| 843 |
experiencedtraveller Mon, May 18, 2009 6:40:35pm |
re: #835 Naso Tang
Hey NT. The NJ taxes are based on property values whenever they decide to get off their a$$ and go out and assess.
Needless to say, there was alot of re-assessment in 2005/2006/2007 when the government knew the results would be pleasing.
I don't see ANY re-assessments occurring now.
| 844 |
reine.de.tout Mon, May 18, 2009 6:41:42pm |
re: #830 Charles
Look. The reality is that almost none of the people who are organizing these tea parties will even acknowledge the problem. I know of only one case in which people have spoken out against the Ron Paul factions taking over -- and in that case, they got shouted down and kicked out.
To be honest, I doubt that anything will change, no matter what anyone does. When I realized what was going on, I decided not to have anything to do with "tea parties," and so far I haven't seen anything that would change my mind.
First step - folks should check into the entrenched organizers and leaders of their local tea parties.
The local "tea parties" have webpages, facebook pages - the names of the organizers are listed there with biographical info. in a lot of cases.
It's easy to find out who they are and what else they are affiliated with.
In the case of the local "tea party" here where I am, there is a facebook page, which lists the 5 folks at the top of the organizing efforts, and of course, links to their facebook pages where there is a great deal of info, and they are - odd is a polite way of saying it. And their other affiliations don't pass the smell test.
I started checking as a way to see how firmly entrenched these folks were in the local organization; if I had discovered they were not too firmly entrenched, I had a thought that I could volunteer to get involved at a greater level, to be sure the local group didn't turn into a mini-version of a Ron Paul rally. But what I found was that all 5 of the top folks here are involved in other questionable organizations.
I am appreciative of Killgore's focus on this; I otherwise may not have checked into this far enough to see what was going on.
| 846 |
abolitionist Mon, May 18, 2009 6:43:06pm |
re: #830 Charles
[...] I know of only one case in which people have spoken out against the Ron Paul factions taking over -- and in that case, they got shouted down and kicked out. [...]
The Ron Paul factions got shouted down and kicked out? Or the people who spoke out against them?
| 847 |
reine.de.tout Mon, May 18, 2009 6:43:48pm |
re: #845 Bloodnok
*blush*
aw, you're sweet!
('cept I am a little on the nutty side on the ND thing)
| 848 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, May 18, 2009 6:44:50pm |
re: #844 reine.de.tout
Said better in one post than I have been saying in multiple posts (of course, I'm not gentle like Reine.de.tout.
Kudos.
| 849 |
reine.de.tout Mon, May 18, 2009 6:45:18pm |
re: #848 Walter L. Newton
thanks, Walter.
| 850 |
avanti Mon, May 18, 2009 6:45:50pm |
re: #781 HoosierHoops
It's complex..What is the difference between smoking crack, snorting coke, Shooting H, or popping pills? I'm sure there are degrees of addiction..But does that really matter? Degrees...
/I saw a freaking Avanti car Sunday..Thought about you..But good gawd..What an ugly car dude..uhggg! :)
The Avanti's styling is a love or hate thing, no middle ground.
| 851 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, May 18, 2009 6:47:12pm |
re: #850 avanti
The Avanti's styling is a love or hate thing, no middle ground.
Ain't that the truth... Oh, you were talking about the car. :)
| 852 |
Charles Johnson Mon, May 18, 2009 6:48:05pm |
re: #846 abolitionist
[...] I know of only one case in which people have spoken out against the Ron Paul factions taking over -- and in that case, they got shouted down and kicked out. [...]
The Ron Paul factions got shouted down and kicked out? Or the people who spoke out against them?
The ones who spoke out were kicked out.
| 853 |
Charles Johnson Mon, May 18, 2009 6:48:26pm |
Kind of like what's happening in this thread.
| 854 |
Achilles Tang Mon, May 18, 2009 6:49:48pm |
re: #837 sattv4u2
Interesting, but I'm out of my league on the finer points. I did pick up some bargain stocks a couple of months ago however. Today I wish I had been able to afford to buy more.
Let's hope those are not famous last words. No risk, no gain.
| 855 |
abolitionist Mon, May 18, 2009 6:50:47pm |
| 856 |
Killgore Trout Mon, May 18, 2009 6:51:23pm |
re: #844 reine.de.tout
Thanks. It's nice to know my "help" is appreciated. I wasn't really a tea Supporter anyways but I think the only thing that is going to come out of this is the mainstreaming of Ron Paul and his ideas. Despite all of our different ideologies around here I think we can agree that it would be a very bad thing.
| 857 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, May 18, 2009 6:53:21pm |
re: #853 Charles
Kind of like what's happening in this thread.
Kind of funny, isn't it. It's ok, most agree, let's stay away from the anti-jihad groups who also support euro-styled nationalism, or in the least, put up with it.
Kind of funny, isn't it. It's ok, most agree, let's stay away from the christian sects, some large, some small, who also support super supremacy , or in the least, put up with it.
Kind of funny, isn't it. No problem with the tea party and such groups who at least tacitly put up with wing nuts, Paulians and neo-nazi's.
Everyone has their level's of acceptance, to bad they are not consistence.
| 858 |
SummerSong Mon, May 18, 2009 6:58:23pm |
re: #679 HoosierHoops
You want to know the worst blush..Last Christmas I flew out alot of my family from Cali.. I took them all to the Company Christmas party..We had a blast..Just about 1am there was a young girl..a new hire dancing on the floor by herself..My wife and little sister asked who she was..I wasn't sure i told them..
Mama goes..Are you rude? Why is she all by herself out there? I dunno..
So I went to dance with her...( very cute) We are out there for a couple of minutes when she just looked at me seriously...locked my eyes..Why are you here?
I pointed at my table..My Wife made me dance with you..
I have never blushed so bad in my life...
She still works for us..I'm turning red as I post this..LOL
I have read you mentioning this before and I have to say that it says so much about the generosity of your family. Kindness. It's a good thing, whether the woman appreciated it or not.
| 859 |
LGoPs Mon, May 18, 2009 7:03:31pm |
re: #857 Walter L. Newton
Kind of funny, isn't it. It's ok, most agree, let's stay away from the anti-jihad groups who also support euro-styled nationalism, or in the least, put up with it.
Kind of funny, isn't it. It's ok, most agree, let's stay away from the christian sects, some large, some small, who also support super supremacy , or in the least, put up with it.
Kind of funny, isn't it. No problem with the tea party and such groups who at least tacitly put up with wing nuts, Paulians and neo-nazi's.
Everyone has their level's of acceptance, to bad they are not consistence.
I resent the casual way you link the eurofascist thread and creationist thread with those of us, and I'll speak for myself here, that think that it is healthy to have the right, for the first time in my life, protest for something they believe in rather than silently sit at home. And because I support the idea of protest does not in any way....not even the fucking slightest, associate me with those other causes.
And I guarantee you that if, by some miracle Paul becomes the standard bearer of the Republicans I will either vote Democrat or more likely, not vote.
| 860 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, May 18, 2009 7:04:49pm |
re: #859 LGoPs
I resent the casual way you link the eurofascist thread and creationist thread with those of us, and I'll speak for myself here, that think that it is healthy to have the right, for the first time in my life, protest for something they believe in rather than silently sit at home. And because I support the idea of protest does not in any way....not even the fucking slightest, associate me with those other causes.
And I guarantee you that if, by some miracle Paul becomes the standard bearer of the Republicans I will either vote Democrat or more likely, not vote.
I'm sorry, I didn't think I was being casual.
| 861 |
LGoPs Mon, May 18, 2009 7:05:21pm |
| 862 |
KennyR Mon, May 18, 2009 7:05:52pm |
I get "error try latter", even at You Tube. Anybody have a suggestion?
| 864 |
experiencedtraveller Mon, May 18, 2009 7:16:10pm |
re: #859 LGoPs
I am happy that LGF is watching the 'fall out' from the Tea Parties to see what comes out of it. I am 100% certain that every sleazy politician within a day's march will try and glom onto that event. If the idiots control all future Tea Parties then they will be as successful as the later Woodstocks. Staged, caged and stupid.
It will be easy enough to ignore them if the simple message against excessive taxation is lost.
| 866 |
reine.de.tout Mon, May 18, 2009 7:29:52pm |
re: #856 Killgore Trout
Thanks. It's nice to know my "help" is appreciated. I wasn't really a tea Supporter anyways but I think the only thing that is going to come out of this is the mainstreaming of Ron Paul and his ideas. Despite all of our different ideologies around here I think we can agree that it would be a very bad thing.
I agree with you.
What I found when I started checking was that the folks most involved with this thing, here in BR, were Ron-Paul supporter types. All of 'em. If it had truly been a "grassroots" effort, I would have expected to see an Independent or a Dem or a Republican - what I found was "Constitution Party" members or people who did not want to ID their party affiliation. A red flag for me when a person is involved in a politically related movement.
NOTICE to stalkers and anyone else - I did not simply "follow the party line" here. I didn't take the organizer's word for it that this was simply a grass-roots effort (locally), nor did I take Killgore's word for it that it was something to be avoided.
I CHECKED INTO IT and found for myself that it was not something wanted to be associated with, at least here locally.
| 868 |
JohnAdams Mon, May 18, 2009 7:58:20pm |
re: #867 Iron Fist
I went to a Tea Party in the heart of the Michigan Militia country and these people were the types you'd meet at your local farm market, including children. Of course there were extremists there, like there are at any large political rally, but the discourse was dominated by civility and genuine concern for citizens and country.
| 869 |
SixDegrees Tue, May 19, 2009 3:34:29am |
re: #381 sattv4u2
Took all of 3 seconds
[Link: www.encyclopedia.com...]
...to find an article that's over 17 years old?
When do we get to stop holding our breath?
| 870 |
gatorbait Tue, May 19, 2009 5:32:57am |
re: #24 anchors_aweigh
"Whatever it takes" means, taking action that neutralizes the threat. Use your imagination: covert action, conventional air strikes, submarine fired missiles (with nuclear warheads if need be), or quiet, behind the scenes diplomacy. Whatever takes.
| 871 |
Joel Tue, May 19, 2009 5:55:43am |
I was at the NYC tea party, maybe 15 - 20 Paulians skulking at the back, hundreds of patriotic Americans (including me) attending.
Killgore you used to be one of the more conservative posters at LGF. Enjoy the next 3 /1/2 years of Obamaland.
| 872 |
bolivar Tue, May 19, 2009 6:41:36am |
Gee seems many of you want to sit around with your thumbs up your collective (yes socialist) asses and bitch about some minimal infiltration by "undesirables". Tea parties may not be your idea but, what do you propose? HMMMMMM? All I seem to see around here is bash ANYBODY that actually may try to do something. Of course there will be idiots that try to mess things up and they must be minimized however, to listen to the crap around here - I would think you are all becoming Obots. I at least try to do something - can you say the same? Have you done ANYTHING constructive - or for that matter anything at all?
/didn't think so - talk is cheap - so is apathy until it is too late
| 873 |
reine.de.tout Tue, May 19, 2009 8:40:09am |
re: #872 bolivar
Gee seems many of you want to sit around with your thumbs up your collective (yes socialist) asses and bitch about some minimal infiltration by "undesirables". Tea parties may not be your idea but, what do you propose? HMMMMMM? All I seem to see around here is bash ANYBODY that actually may try to do something. Of course there will be idiots that try to mess things up and they must be minimized however, to listen to the crap around here - I would think you are all becoming Obots. I at least try to do something - can you say the same? Have you done ANYTHING constructive - or for that matter anything at all?
/didn't think so - talk is cheap - so is apathy until it is too late
I attended my local April 15th event.
I also took note of Killgore's posts.
And then I actually CHECKED INTO the organizers and planners for the local event. And discovered some things I did not like.
I may or may not attend the next one, I have not yet made up my mind.
But one thing is for sure - I at least am armed with enough information that I will not get accidentally sucked into voicing approval for something I never had any intention of voicing approval of.
| 874 |
wrenchwench Tue, May 19, 2009 9:19:31am |
re: #871 Joel
I was at the NYC tea party, maybe 15 - 20 Paulians skulking at the back, hundreds of patriotic Americans (including me) attending.
Killgore you used to be one of the more conservative posters at LGF. Enjoy the next 3 /1/2 years of Obamaland.
Speaking as someone who has attended a few "protests" over the years decades, it is often the ones "skulking at the back" who are running the show. If you haven't looked into it the way reine has, you may not know who you are supporting by your presence.
| 875 |
Kobalt Tue, May 19, 2009 10:24:40am |
Holy moley. Some of the comments on the Youtube site for this video are really ruining my day.
The comments coming from Muslim countries are easy to dismiss, but the antisemitic anti-Israel comments coming from American youtubers are pretty depressing... :(
| 876 |
Joel Tue, May 19, 2009 10:37:09am |
re: #874 wrenchwench
Nonsense. I cannot be responsible for a few loons who show up and I am not going to allow myself to be silenced via guilt by association. You are an Obama supporter - fine and dandy ,but do not try to intimidate those of us who are not.
| 877 |
wrenchwench Tue, May 19, 2009 11:38:59am |
re: #876 Joel
Nonsense. I cannot be responsible for a few loons who show up and I am not going to allow myself to be silenced via guilt by association. You are an Obama supporter - fine and dandy ,but do not try to intimidate those of us who are not.
I am not an Obama supporter. The fact that you asserted that I am indicates to me that you are not here with an open mind, nor do you base your opinions on facts. No point in me trying to insert any information. And obviously you will not seek any yourself. Are you afraid you might find what reine found?
| 878 |
yoshicastmaster Tue, May 19, 2009 12:00:14pm |
diplomacy hasn't worked? we just had 8 years where our official position was basically "no diplomacy." i don't see this as an insightful statement.
I had no idea that Iran had missiles that could deliver warheads to the US. In fact, I think it can't.
and what does it mean to "denuke iran"? i have no idea, but military intervention by the US sounds like an all-star terrible idea right now. the "by any means necessary" part of their website is just ambiguous enough to be completely crazy; how about we nuke them- that ought to work right?
does anyone really think Iran would launch a nuclear weapon at the US? That would be a great way for a government to essentially commit suicide. Even launching at Israel is bad.
usually it's the liberals who complain without realistic solutions. but it actually sounds wackier when conservatives do it. this campaign seems misleading and misses the strongest arguments for why we should stop Iran from getting nukes and, most importantly, any sense of how to do it.
| 879 |
offendi Tue, May 19, 2009 1:36:30pm |
re: #878 yoshicastmaster
My friend, assuming you are not a plant or a tool, please let me reply.
Iran is run by a theocracy (which many American liberals think electing a republican is the same thing because they don't hate the religious) many of whom believe, along with Mr. Ahmadinejad, that there is a nice secret Mahdi hiding down a well, who with an apocalypse, will establish an Islamic paradise on earth. So we have many, many rational people running the Iranian government who will have nuclear weapons.
Israel is only the small Satan. America is the big Satan because : 1) We don't make our women war burkhas and beat them profusely, or marry them when they are like, 9, 2) we foster the dreaded democracy where people have freedom of choice, speech, dress, and have an open political system where the state does not select the candidates, and 3) we are a successful alternative to the system these sick wackos are selling.
The Iranians are busy funding and supplying the weaponry killing our soldiers in Iraq and has funded terrorism worldwide. Bringing us down is the best thing that can happen to them, and will not only make them the regional Islamic power in the Middle East, but also intimidate the weakling Europeans into not fighting their Eurabia future.
Think suitcase nuke, off-shore boat with nuclear missile, or setting off electronic magnetic pulse, via rocket from say, Venezuela.
Not to worry however. After Professor Obama's masterful meeting with Netanyahu Israeli officials are already talking about making 'hard decisions" by the end of the year on Iran. They get Barry is pretty much a clueless do-gooder when dealing with the baddies.
| 880 |
Kobalt Tue, May 19, 2009 1:37:10pm |
re: #878 yoshicastmaster
diplomacy hasn't worked? we just had 8 years where our official position was ...WORDS, WORDS, WORDS, WORDS, WORDS, ... seems misleading and misses the strongest arguments for why we should stop Iran from getting nukes and, most importantly, any sense of how to do it.
In summation, you have no problem with a potential nuclear Iranian threat to Israel, (the only democracy in the Middle East, and an importance source of military intelligence) are not worried about a middle east arms race among radicalized Muslim countries, and are not worried about the prospect of a "suitcase bomb" which could potentially be squeezed in to an American metropolitan area.
| 881 |
yoshicastmaster Tue, May 19, 2009 2:32:11pm |
re: #879 offendi
This cause seems to take a belligerent attitude towards Iran. It discounts diplomacy even though diplomacy hasn't been used in 8 years. It misrepresents facts about Iran's nuclear capabilities (unless someone really thinks Iranian missiles can reach the US). This makes me distrustful.
You give some examples.... are they really realistic? Rocket from Venezuela? Forget it- no one wants a direct military confrontation with the US. Nuclear suitcase nuke- is that even terribly realistic? Why do you think so? A dirty bomb is more realistic, but possible even without a working nuclear weapon.
Your examples are right in line with the hype here, and some run directly against all reasonable expectation. 8 years of ignoring Iran accomplished.... not much. Why discount an effort at diplomacy?
There are plenty of sound reasons for keeping Iran from having nuclear weapons. And there are actually solutions that can be proposed; original things outside the 'axis of evil' condemnation that has alienated Iran. This campaign has neither.
Then again- maybe the video's actually a sly endorsement of diplomacy as a "possible means"... those clever guys!
| 882 |
yoshicastmaster Tue, May 19, 2009 2:42:26pm |
re: #880 Kobalt
hi kobalt
I'm not sure what that means... though quoting my content as "words words words" seemed pretty dismissive... I think I'm saying this video is misleading and unhelpful and belligerent. It is also dismissive of diplomacy, without support for such a radical position.
Opposing using an open threat of force against Iran right now, in favor of giving diplomacy a chance, isn't the same as saying "let's let Iran have nukes."
And I'm saying the former, and not the latter. perhaps that was unclear before... though I don't remember saying 'let Iran have nukes".... hope that helps.
(also, i think an arms race among radical muslim countries seems much more a likely consequence of Israel having nukes than Iran. De-nuke Israel at any cost? heh-heh prob not, huh?)
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