‘Security Forces’ Ambush Iranian Demonstrators

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The crackdown on Iranian protesters continued, as a gang of Basij and other thugs ambushed demonstrators at a Tehran square. It’s having an effect; the demonstrations are getting smaller because people are afraid to leave their houses.

At least two sources described wild and violent conditions at a part of Tehran where protesters had planned to demonstrate.

“They were waiting for us,” the source said. “They all have guns and riot uniforms. It was like a mouse trap. I see many people with broken arms, legs, heads — blood everywhere — pepper gas like war,” the source said.

Around “500 thugs” with clubs came out of a mosque and attacked people in the square, another source said. The security forces were “beating women madly” and “killing people like hell,” the source said.

“They beat up a woman so bad she was all bloody,” the source said in a description that underscores the growing and central role of women in the uprising.

“Women are playing an amazing role in the streets, both in terms of numbers and effectiveness,” according to a member of Mir Hossein Moussavi’s party.

The Iranian capital remained tense Wednesday. Some residents said they were too afraid to talk about the political crisis over the phone to anyone in the United States or Europe. Many protesters debated whether to show up on the streets.

“I am not going outside my house at all! The streets are too dangerous, and just so very busy with police,” a 21-year-old college student from Tehran said. “Ahhhh, when will our lives get back to normal?”

Worried that the government was monitoring their phone conversations, some residents said the Internet was the best way to transmit information. However, the spotty connection made it difficult to rely on the Web.

Here’s one of the latest CNN video reports on the situation:

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267 comments
1 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:36:37am

The damn thugs and vermin are winning. Damn them all to hell.

2 alegrias  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:36:51am

I hope President Obama is watching.

The whole world is watching, watching, watching.

3 saylorfam  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:37:19am

Bastards

4 Kragar  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:37:58am

Just remember that violence never solves anything. The liberals keep telling us so.

/

5 albusteve  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:38:15am

they are going too far....it will hurt the regime in the long run

6 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:38:19am

The CNN report repeats the myth that the US was the main supporter of Saddam during the Iran/Iraq war. In fact, Russia supplied far more weapons.

7 MikeAlv77  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:38:23am

according to the president, its just an internal matter...

//

8 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:38:50am

OT...Sanford...Dumbass.

9 jcm  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:39:13am

I'm sure our diplomats will convey the deep disappointment the US has with the Iranian government at the 4th of July events at various embassies.

Why is the invitation even being discussed?

10 alegrias  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:39:32am

"thugs coming out of the mosque" with weapons.

President Obama, Iran's leaders are distorting the image of Islam. You promised to do something about that when you spoke in Cairo.

11 yochanan  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:39:40am

the zero wants to shake the bloody hand of the iranian short shit.

12 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:39:41am

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Right. Ask the Confederate States of America, the National Socialist Party, or the dodo about that violence thing. Heh. Naked agression has settled more stuff than any herd of diplopukes ever.

13 Henchman Ghazi-808  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:39:47am

The battle may be dying down and it seems the mullahs are the winners, but the war will not be over. Iranians need help.

14 HippieforLife  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:40:17am

You just got to love that vigorous debate. ///

15 Henchman Ghazi-808  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:40:39am

re: #9 jcm

I'm sure our diplomats will convey the deep disappointment the US has with the Iranian government at the 4th of July events at various embassies.

Why is the invitation even being discussed?

Like it's even that hard of a decision. It's Leadership, Stupid.

16 alegrias  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:41:00am

re: #11 yochanan

the zero wants to shake the bloody hand of the iranian short shit.

* * *
Willing to meet without preconditions means anything's permissible, including mass murder.

17 MikeAlv77  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:41:37am

re: #12 pingjockey

Right. Ask the Confederate States of America, the National Socialist Party, or the dodo about that violence thing. Heh. Naked agression has settled more stuff than any herd of diplopukes ever.

Whenever I use this argument with a moonbat neighbor, she changes the subject. Some people just don't like to see their world view changed by facts...

18 Kragar  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:41:51am

If we had a President and Cabinet with any brains or balls, the Peshmerga in Northern Iraq would be getting some care packages to distribute to their cells in Iran right about now.

19 Henchman Ghazi-808  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:42:03am

re: #5 albusteve

they are going too far....it will hurt the regime in the long run

I hope you are right. The world watched, and saw. I hope we don't forget.

20 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:42:26am

re: #17 MikeAlv77
Facts are tough.

21 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:42:27am
22 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:42:39am

And here I am with a rifle and no ticket to Iran. I wouldn't mind doing a little "ambushing" right back.

"Security Forces", LOL

23 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:43:08am

I'm tired of this crap. Obama, start f*ckin' meddling, we're already getting blamed for it! Also, don't negotiate with people who are actively laughing about how limpwristed you are as President. Show some f*ckin' backbone! Because your "I won!" doesn't mean crap when the world thinks you're a damn loser!

/angry

24 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:43:25am

re: #18 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If we had a President and Cabinet with any brains or balls, the Peshmerga in Northern Iraq would be getting some care packages to distribute to their cells in Iran right about now.

Amen

Up the Peshmerga!

25 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:43:37am

re: #21 buzzsawmonkey
It was you or someone who floated that scenario a while ago. Just like a Tom Clancy novel, it is a scenario that is scary and very damn plausible.

26 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:43:53am

The mullahs in charge were those involved in the 1979 revolution. They saw firsthand what mass demonstrations can do, to even the iron fisted regime of the Shah and his secret police.

They're hoping to avoid his mistakes, and they're doing so with brute force and limiting the ability of the world to learn of their brutality.

By the same token, the revolution in 1979 didn't happen overnight. There will be more bloodshed.

The protesters also ought to consider that if they engage in a mass strike - no work altogether - they could shut down the economy without actually putting themselves out and among the Basij. They don't have to go on the streets to protest in that matter. The regime couldn't crack down against demonstrators who aren't there.

27 jcm  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:44:23am

re: #19 BigPapa

I hope you are right. The world watched, and saw. I hope we don't forget.

It not the end of the regime, but the beginning of the end.

How long, how bloody, remains to be written.

28 albusteve  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:44:57am

I have only seen a couple of vids or pics where the people fight back...why are they letting this happen?....there should be more basij casualties

29 Kragar  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:45:03am

re: #19 BigPapa

I hope you are right. The world watched, and saw. I hope we don't forget.

And when was the last time you saw anyone air the 9/11 footage? How long before we get an hour long "documentary" uncovering the troof behind the Iran protests? I have no faith the world will take action until its too late for most involved.

30 Henchman Ghazi-808  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:45:22am

And all during this, the left continues to ridicule the right instead of joining with them in calling for a firmer stance from Obama.

31 Bob Dillon  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:45:46am

re: #10 alegrias

"thugs coming out of the mosque" with weapons.

President Obama, Iran's leaders are distorting the image of Islam. You promised to do something about that when you spoke in Cairo.

Change we can believe in.

32 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:46:00am

The mourning cycle among Shia incfluence the timing of demonstrations. Even if things quiet down for now, on the 40th day after Neda was killed there will me more demonstrations.

33 DaddyG  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:46:13am

There is but one force stronger than all of the armies of the world & that is an idea whose time has come. - Victor Hugo

34 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:46:23am

re: #30 BigPapa

And all during this, the left continues to ridicule the right instead of joining with them in calling for a firmer stance from Obama.

Like maybe dis-inviting them from the July 4th barbecue?

35 Idle Drifter  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:46:51am

So America is not meddling in Iran's domestic affairs yet Iran still blames America for meddling in Iran's domestic affairs.

36 alegrias  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:46:58am

Hot Dog diplomacy will fix this in a couple of weeks, on July 4th.

37 badger1970  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:47:01am

re: #5 albusteve

I doubt it. China became more popular and wealthy. Iran will be able to keep its nukes its oil money and have the support of other terrorist nations. Follow the money. In the end, bo will have his diplomatic goal obtained.

38 LGoPs  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:47:25am

re: #34 Nevergiveup

Like maybe dis-inviting them from the July 4th barbecue?

Or at the very least telling them they will not be allowed to have seconds from the dessert table.....
///

39 MikeAlv77  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:47:39am

re: #34 Nevergiveup

Like maybe dis-inviting them from the July 4th barbecue?

How about inviting them to the BBQ..

Serve pork ribs, pulled pork and a whole roast pig.
with a side of pork and beans...

40 FightingBack  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:47:41am

I know only one person from Iran, a doctor. So I called him, and his secretary spoke with me. I could tell from her accent that she was also Iranian. I said that they should know that many Americans were watching, and I was calling in support of her people. Little enough, but I didn't know what else to do.

41 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:47:42am
42 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:47:52am

re: #34 Nevergiveup

Like maybe dis-inviting them from the July 4th barbecue?

At a minimum.

43 Henchman Ghazi-808  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:47:53am

re: #34 Nevergiveup

That's worthy of a rim shot!

44 jcm  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:48:33am

Questions for the Obama Administration:

How do you define a legitimate government?

How do you define sovereignty of a nation?

How are discussions with an illegitimate government valid?

45 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:48:53am

re: #36 alegrias

Officials: President Obama reconsidering July 4 invitations to Iran


2:20 PM ET -- State Department: No Iranians have accepted July 4 invitation. From the AP:

The State Department says no Iranian diplomat has accepted an invitation from U.S. diplomatic posts abroad to attend embassy Fourth of July parties.


Department spokesman Ian Kelly told reporters that Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton had authorized U.S. envoys abroad some weeks ago to invite Iranian diplomats to attend the annual celebration. Her authorization was required because Washington has no formal diplomatic relations with Iran.

Kelly said no Iranians have accepted, and he indicated that the U.S. saw little reason for them to, given the political crisis over their disputed presidential election.

46 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:49:09am

7.33pm:
A reliable twitterer says that Ardeshir Amir Arjemand, Mousavi's legal adviser, has been arrested. I cannot confirm this independently.

47 Bob Dillon  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:49:36am

re: #13 BigPapa

The battle may be dying down and it seems the mullahs are the winners, but the war will not be over. Iranians need help.

We can help them online w/ Tor etc.

Our elected officials do not have the will, courage or ethics - from the top down to do anything.

48 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:49:40am

re: #21 buzzsawmonkey

Because Obama still wants to cut a deal with the Iranians that will permit him to use their nukes to threaten Israel.

Amen.

There may, in fact, be little the US can do to directly help the Reformists, but Obama's undoubtedly welcoming the chance to use the "hands off" line. He has another dog in a different fight, and doesn't want to lose use of it.

I'm strongly inclined to wonder if (bottom line) he cares about what's going on in the streets of Iran.

49 badger1970  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:50:27am

re: #45 Killgore Trout

bo put up his finger in the wind, smelled the stink. Ruling by polls ala bubba.

50 yochanan  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:50:32am

the vast majority of aid to saddam came from russia and france the cnn report is just wrong on that.

51 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:50:52am

re: #41 buzzsawmonkey
Yep. Obambi has the distinct possibility of going down as the Neville Chamberlain of the 21st century.

52 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:51:21am

re: #41 buzzsawmonkey

I've been referring to it. I think Jonah Goldberg suggested something similar in NRO.

Obama would get to pose as the "savior of Israel" by claiming to guarantee that Israel is protected from Iranian nukes--provided Israel agrees to all his demands on behalf of the "Palestinians." I don't see it as unlikely in the least--and if the Iranians abrogate their agreement and Haifa and Tel Aviv get wiped out, well, who could possibly have foreseen that the Iranians wouldn't honor their agreement?

How could he guarantee Israel will be safe when his administration is canceling the exact same missile defense systems he might need to do just that?

53 ackomanyuki  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:51:21am

He probably just needed to trade some offshore assets for domestic property deeds before the collapse. What a dumbass. He should have consulted with a Democrat first, they would have advised him to send a third party.

54 yochanan  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:51:23am

re: #36 alegrias

Hot Dog diplomacy will fix this in a couple of weeks, on July 4th.

they should serve 'hebrew national hot dogs'

55 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:52:02am

re: #51 pingjockey

Yep. Obambi has the distinct possibility of going down as the Neville Chamberlain of the 21st century.

The only problem, well one of many, is that i don't see no Churchill on the horizon?

56 elevenbravo1969  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:52:04am

re: #49 badger1970
OT
Badger...were you in Madison in 1970?

57 Baier  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:52:30am

In Iraq they people tried to rebel against Saddam after the gulf war and could not defeat him, and they had guns. Without an external force willing to come their aid, I fear the people of Iran will suffer under this brutal regime for years.

God give them strength and courage.

58 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:52:54am

More graphic video of shooting victim. Uploaded toady....

59 Bob Dillon  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:52:58am

re: #48 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Amen.

There may, in fact, be little the US can do to directly help the Reformists, but Obama's undoubtedly welcoming the chance to use the "hands off" line. He has another dog in a different fight, and doesn't want to lose use of it.

I'm strongly inclined to wonder if (bottom line) he cares about what's going on in the streets of Iran.

Are you kidding? - all he cares about is remolding America into his socialist image and getting reelected.

60 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:53:25am
61 badger1970  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:53:30am

re: #56 elevenbravo1969

No, just the birth year. I refer to Mad Town as 25 sq. miles surrounded by reality.

62 DaddyG  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:53:50am

re: #55 Nevergiveup

The only problem, well one of many, is that i don't see no Churchill on the horizon?

Take heart! Churchill was an unseated politician painting pictures in his garden when the kraut hit the fan. The next great leader who emerges is not waiting for us in a case with a break glass in case of emergency sign.

63 alegrias  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:54:10am

re: #44 jcm

Questions for the Obama Administration:

How do you define a legitimate government?

How do you define sovereignty of a nation?

How are discussions with an illegitimate government valid?

* * *
It's already established this administration believes in taking over the "means of production" as other totalitarians around the world have done.

Recall whom the Obama administration wanted to talk with first, Arabic media. Who did Obama meet with but Chavez and others who have taken over by hook & by crook.

Chicago mob rules rule in this Administration.

64 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:54:13am

re: #60 unrealizedviewpoint

Iran and the West
Next Airing
Mon Jun 29 5P

Yeah i saw it but some it was tilted a tad to the left and anti-bush

65 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:54:28am

re: #28 albusteve

I have only seen a couple of vids or pics where the people fight back...why are they letting this happen?....there should be more basij casualties

Um... They don't have guns?

66 Idle Drifter  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:54:31am

re: #50 yochanan

the vast majority of aid to saddam came from russia and france the cnn report is just wrong on that.

Historical accuracy doesn't matter just what the populace believes to be true or what the news agencies believe what the populace believes to true.

67 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:54:46am

re: #55 Nevergiveup
Nope. I see no one of that stature anywhere. I include RWR in that too. Even John Kennedy. They could flat out motivate people.

68 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:54:48am

re: #11 yochanan

the zero wants to shake the bloody hand of the iranian short shit.

From the Boston Herald today:

But now, if the clerical junta prevails, anyone who shakes hands with Ahmadinejad will have a hard time washing the blood off his own hands.
69 alegrias  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:54:50am

re: #54 yochanan

they should serve 'hebrew national hot dogs'

* * * *
With a little Fat Boy & Little Man relish on top.

70 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:54:54am

re: #62 DaddyG

Take heart! Churchill was an unseated politician painting pictures in his garden when the kraut hit the fan. The next great leader who emerges is not waiting for us in a case with a break glass in case of emergency sign.

I hope his name wasn't Sanford?

71 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:55:06am

re: #51 pingjockey

Yep. Obambi has the distinct possibility of going down as the Neville Chamberlain of the 21st century.

heh

I wonder if Obama even knows who Neville Chamberlain was? It would have been taught at Punahoe (damned good school) but I suspect the bias ingrained in his upbringing led him to dump the data after this-and-that exam was finished.

72 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:55:07am

re: #43 BigPapa

That's worthy of a rim shot!

/The Sanford thread is one over to the left.

73 DaddyG  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:55:46am

re: #70 Nevergiveup

I hope his name wasn't Sanford?

Ouch!

How about Newt?

74 Bob Dillon  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:56:04am

re: #62 DaddyG

Take heart! Churchill was an unseated politician painting pictures in his garden when the kraut hit the fan. The next great leader who emerges is not waiting for us in a case with a break glass in case of emergency sign.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus comes to mind as well.

75 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:56:31am

re: #71 pre-Boomer Marine brat
I'm thinking history has become an elective in too many schools.

76 DaddyG  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:56:57am

re: #69 alegrias

* * * *
With a little Fat Boy & Little Man relish on top.


Don't forget the sarc tag for the ironically challenged who will accuse us the lizards of being for he nuking of Iran before we were against it.

77 Wendya  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:57:13am

re: #2 alegrias

I hope President Obama is watching.

The whole world is watching, watching, watching.

Well, he's invited Iranian diplomats over for hotdogs and beer on the 4th so maybe they can all watch CNN together... providing the government hasn't completely beat down the protesters by then.

78 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:57:15am

re: #64 Nevergiveup

Yeah i saw it but some it was tilted a tad to the left and anti-bush

I thought was balanced, not anti-bush at all. hmmm.

79 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:57:24am

re: #59 Bobibutu

Are you kidding? - all he cares about is remolding America into his socialist image and getting reelected.

What do you mean ... am I kidding?

See buzz's prior post, and others which buzz has made on that topic.

80 jcm  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:57:46am

re: #75 pingjockey

I'm thinking history has become an elective in too many schools.

And where it is taught, Zinn's People's History.......

81 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:57:59am

re: #78 unrealizedviewpoint

I thought was balanced, not anti-bush at all. hmmm.

The parts that were so PRO-Powell and Amrmatige were

82 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:58:12am

by all means, this iranian regime has the right to "nuclear power" ... for peaceful purposes of course ...

/

fuck them

83 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:58:23am

re: #80 jcm
What is that? Revisionist bullshit?

84 alegrias  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:58:39am

re: #76 DaddyG

Don't forget the sarc tag for the ironically challenged who will accuse us the lizards of being for he nuking of Iran before we were against it.

* * * *
Thanks, I wasn't even sure I got Enola Gay's cargo names right.

I relish the prospect of glowing irradiated Iranian mullahs---mmmm, tasty. I could use that right now!

85 LGoPs  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:59:15am

re: #57 Baier

In Iraq they people tried to rebel against Saddam after the gulf war and could not defeat him, and they had guns. Without an external force willing to come their aid, I fear the people of Iran will suffer under this brutal regime for years.

God give them strength and courage.

Moral support, which we should provide, would offer an incalculable edge to the protestors. But intervention, at this early stage, would be unwise, IMO. Much like the American revolution, the onus is on the rebels to carry the fight at the opening. Had the French intervened at the outset, the Revolution would most likely have degenerated into a war between the British and them, with the colonists relegated to being divided up as the spoils of war.
But at a timely moment in the future, discrete intervention may become appropriate.

86 Areopagitica  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:59:15am

I hate to say this but, does anyone else think that the only way the protesters are going to bring about a regieme change is to organzie and arm themselves? They are winning a great symbolic victory but if the Basiji and IGRC clamp down and quell the situation, the protesters will have done all this in vain. They could very well be at the precipice of bringing down the millahs and Kahmeni and is conspiracy laden mentality but all that is happening is that they go out there and protest and then they get shot, killed or dispersed by the militias. The protesters need weapons or nothing is going to happen. The isn't like MLK style non-violent resistance where one is fighting a secular government.

87 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:59:19am

re: #82 _RememberTonyC

by all means, this iranian regime has the right to "nuclear power" ... for peaceful purposes of course ...

/

fuck them

Yes. The can have new, clear, power. I am sure there is some stimulus money for green water projects.

88 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:59:29am

re: #75 pingjockey

I'm thinking history has become an elective in too many schools.

And what there is, has been (*cough*) Revised.

89 LGoPs  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:59:49am

BBIAW

90 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:00:02pm

re: #14 HippieforLife

You just got to love that vigorous debate. ///

I can see Obama yukking it up on camera...followed by a 'gallows humor' quote...but this isn't the economy though...

91 opnion  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:00:11pm

I am so glad that the video pointed out that Obama was not taking sides.
His sophisticated talent at nuance is saving the day.If he took a side it would look like meddling & people could get killed & beaten. Ah, never mind.

92 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:00:13pm

re: #86 Areopagitica

Sorry but I think the worst has past for this regime.

93 Bob Dillon  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:00:16pm

re: #79 pre-Boomer Marine brat

What do you mean ... am I kidding?

See buzz's prior post, and others which buzz has made on that topic.

Well, that's what I get for jumping right in ;-)

94 elevenbravo1969  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:01:04pm

re: #61 badger1970

Heh...I can personally testify to that being the case in 1970.

95 subsailor68  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:01:11pm

re: #83 pingjockey

What is that? Revisionist bullshit?

Hi ping! Oh yeah, totally:


A People's History of the United States

96 DaddyG  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:01:14pm

Aren't those waffles done yet?

97 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:01:43pm

re: #86 Areopagitica
Only an armed revolution will unseat the tyrants. Read an alternate history sci-fi book. The nazis had made it to India and Gandi tried his non violent tactics, what do you suppose happened?

98 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:02:00pm

re: #82 _RememberTonyC

by all means, this iranian regime has the right to "nuclear power" ... for peaceful purposes of course ...

/

fuck them

To the Iranian administration, "peaceful purposes" means making peace by killing those they blame for the lack of peace. After they're done "restoring peace" to their own country, they'll get back to "making peace" with the Great Satan and Little Satan by nuking them.

99 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:02:17pm

re: #93 Bobibutu

Well, that's what I get for jumping right in ;-)

Y'know what?
I THINK I just got what you meant!
/nevermind my reply -- we were each focused upon a different aspect

100 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:02:43pm

re: #81 Nevergiveup

The parts that were so PRO-Powell and Amrmatige were

I think they only briefly touched upon their roles. I see how you see the slant though. They made it appear he resigned in a huff.

101 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:02:56pm

re: #96 DaddyG

Aren't those waffles done yet?

That was yesterday. Today, he's planning a luau on the White House lawn.

File that under "Things that sound like a joke, but aren't."

102 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:03:44pm

Obama opened 'window of hope' says Arab League
Published: 06.24.09, 20:14 / Israel News
The Arab League said on Wednesday it saw a "window of hope" for Middle East peace and Arab states would respond positively to U.S. President Barack Obama's vision for resolving the Arab-Israeli conflict.

But the league likened negotiating with Israel while settlements were continuing to expand as tantamount to surrendering on "matters over which we cannot surrender". (Reuters)

Ah well Bullshit Bullshit and fuck you Arab League.

103 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:03:58pm
104 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:04:08pm

Surely Obama must now realize that the day he shakes the hand of Ahmadinejad and/or Khameini he is a virtual dead man, politically speaking.
And each additional bloody casualty in the streets of Tehran makes this result increasingly certain.

105 Idle Drifter  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:04:16pm

re: #80 jcm

And where it is taught, Zinn's People's History.......

I tried to read that book at my local B&N, there was no way in hell I going to buy it. I couldn't past the first chapter and just started randomly skipping through the book. Got sick of that and picked up another book that was the polar opposite. (I forgot the name.) Amazing how different the same history was being presented it was leagues appart. Well to be truthful I wasn't surprise. In the next isle I found Rachel Corrie's biography........

106 hans ze beeman  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:04:21pm

Fear knocked at the door, faith answered.

There was no one there.

107 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:04:21pm

re: #95 subsailor68
If I go look, I'll probably go ballistic. So I'll pass. My just graduated high school senior came home one day spouting nonsense about Pearl Harbor and the Nazis. Not a good idea for a young man whose father is retired Navy and who had as a hero as a kid a man who'd survived the Bataan Death March.

108 yochanan  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:04:28pm

re: #68 Kosh's Shadow

DING WE HAVE A WINNER AND A CLEAR SIGHTING OF A PLYING PORKER

109 badger1970  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:04:34pm

re: #94 elevenbravo1969

I grew up too close to that damn city. Thank for your service, which I'm assuming is your moniker.

110 Bob Dillon  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:05:03pm

re: #99 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Y'know what?
I THINK I just got what you meant!
/nevermind my reply -- we were each focused upon a different aspect

got it!

111 kansas  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:05:35pm

re: #104 Spare O'Lake

Surely Obama must now realize that the day he shakes the hand of Ahmadinejad and/or Khameini he is a virtual dead man, politically speaking.
And each additional bloody casualty in the streets of Tehran makes this result increasingly certain.

You would think, but I'm not so sure. His popularity is much too high considering what is known about his foreign policy, and the havoc he wreaking on the economy.

112 yochanan  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:05:48pm

re: #68 Kosh's Shadow

CHARLES this piece in the boston press is thread worthy

113 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:05:53pm

re: #100 unrealizedviewpoint

I think they only briefly touched upon their roles. I see how you see the slant though. They made it appear he resigned in a huff.

They made is seem as the EU and the "great" and "reasonable" Powell and Armatige had all figured out till that neocon Bush and his demon little neocon advisers, especially that terrible rude man Bolton screwed it all up. Yeah, ya mean that minor slant?

114 Baier  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:06:06pm

re: #104 Spare O'Lake

Surely Obama must now realize that the day he shakes the hand of Ahmadinejad and/or Khameini he is a virtual dead man, politically speaking.
And each additional bloody casualty in the streets of Tehran makes this result increasingly certain.

This will come up in 2012, if he shakes hands or not. This is a murderous regime he invited to 4th of July BBQs and wants to negotiate with.

115 SteveC  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:06:07pm

re: #8 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OT...Sanford...Dumbass.

The local TV station - the same one that freaked out on air a few nights ago - BROKE THE STORY by finding a black SUV owned by state law enforcement in the long term parking lot at the airport. They had a reporter there that they kept cutting to, she was stationed RIGHT NEXT TO WHAT WE THINK IS THE GOVERNORS VEHICLE! (Say that by becoming more shrill with each syllable, you'll nail the level of excitement).

But if you'v ever been to Columbia Metropolitan Airport, finding a car in the long term parking lot is NOT a challenge. *rolls eyes*

116 subsailor68  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:06:13pm

re: #107 pingjockey

If I go look, I'll probably go ballistic. So I'll pass. My just graduated high school senior came home one day spouting nonsense about Pearl Harbor and the Nazis. Not a good idea for a young man whose father is retired Navy and who had as a hero as a kid a man who'd survived the Bataan Death March.

Yeah, don't bother. I think the guy forgot the old adage that it's a Zinn to tell a lie.

117 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:07:21pm

re: #103 buzzsawmonkey

And I'm going to win the lottery tomorrow and split the winnings with each and every lizard here.

118 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:07:23pm

re: #103 buzzsawmonkey

insane scenario

Very plausible analysis. Considering everything else we know about Obama, my take is that Occam's Razor smiles up it.

119 Buck  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:07:29pm

re: #6 Kenneth

The CNN report repeats the myth that the US was the main supporter of Saddam during the Iran/Iraq war. In fact, Russia supplied far more weapons.

Yes! The US did not arm Saddam. In fact the US armed Iran, that is why they called it "Iran-Contra", not "Iraq-Contra".

When the USA fought Saddam in the gulf war, they came up against Russian, French, and Chinese arms.... not "made in the USA".

120 jcm  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:07:48pm

re: #83 pingjockey

What is that? Revisionist bullshit?

Yeah, Chomsky and Zinn are buddies, at least in their view of American History.

121 Wendya  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:07:51pm

re: #95 subsailor68

Hi ping! Oh yeah, totally:

A People's History of the United States

You can read it online here:

[Link: historyisaweapon.com...]

122 SteveC  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:08:02pm

Shepard Smith seems to think that Mark Sanford lying to a newspaper reporter is a bad thing. I think politicians of both parties should do it more often.

123 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:08:07pm
124 nikis-knight  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:08:46pm

I haven't been following all these threads on Iran; has anyone brought up Biden's line from the campaign, that 'the world will test Obama, and you might not like what he wants to do, but you'll just have to trust us', or something to that effect?

Not that there aren't plenty of candidtates for that bit of obvious prescience, but this is a prime one.

125 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:09:05pm

re: #105 Idle Drifter

In the next isle I found Rachel Corrie's biography........

What about the life of a teenager from a middle class American family could fill a book? Was it a little thin? Flat out, not interesting? How did you plow through it?


[I know, I am going to hell]

126 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:09:44pm

re: #119 Buck
Heh, they showed some video of the Iranian Air Force. An F-4, an F-14, and a trainer jet sold for export, the ones you see the NASA guys flying. God only knows what other kind of crap they've got.

127 SteveC  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:09:54pm

re: #125 Creeping Eruption

What about the life of a teenager from a middle class American family could fill a book? Was it a little thin? Flat out, not interesting? How did you plow through it?

[I know, I am going to hell]

I laughed, so I'm right behind you!

128 DisturbedEma  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:09:55pm

re: #125 Creeping Eruption

re: #105 Idle Drifter


What about the life of a teenager from a middle class American family could fill a book? Was it a little thin? Flat out, not interesting? How did you plow through it?


[I know, I am going to hell]

Well the crimes of Israel of course. . .they offer the context for the hate group that put the kill in off kilter. . .

129 jcm  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:10:03pm

re: #105 Idle Drifter

I tried to read that book at my local B&N, there was no way in hell I going to buy it. I couldn't past the first chapter and just started randomly skipping through the book. Got sick of that and picked up another book that was the polar opposite. (I forgot the name.) Amazing how different the same history was being presented it was leagues appart. Well to be truthful I wasn't surprise. In the next isle I found Rachel Corrie's biography........

Bennett's two volume set.
America: The Last Best Hope

The ant-Zinn history.

130 Land Shark  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:10:14pm

The regime's crackdown will put the opposition to the test. I suppose we all figured it would get to this point.

Is the opposition movement large enough to overcome the brutality of the regime? How many are willing to risk injury or death to see it through? These are questions that will obviously be answered in the coming weeks and months. Unless the military or some other armed component of the regime defects in sufficient numbers to the side of the protesters, or some outside source supplies them with arms, I don't know if the movement can be sustained in the face of the crackdown.

I'm humbled by the courage of the protesters, I hope the sacrifices they've made so far aren't in vain.

131 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:10:14pm

re: #117 Nevergiveup

And I'm going to win the lottery tomorrow and split the winnings with each and every lizard here.

Will an upding get me an extra percentage of it? :)

132 MikeAlv77  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:10:15pm

re: #86 Areopagitica

I hate to say this but, does anyone else think that the only way the protesters are going to bring about a regieme change is to organzie and arm themselves? They are winning a great symbolic victory but if the Basiji and IGRC clamp down and quell the situation, the protesters will have done all this in vain. They could very well be at the precipice of bringing down the millahs and Kahmeni and is conspiracy laden mentality but all that is happening is that they go out there and protest and then they get shot, killed or dispersed by the militias. The protesters need weapons or nothing is going to happen. The isn't like MLK style non-violent resistance where one is fighting a secular government.

Slight change. Communist governments are secular. MLK worked cause the government followed the rules (for the most part) and would not step over the line. Dictatorships don't give a rats behind about that stuff

133 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:10:28pm

re: #125 Creeping Eruption

What about the life of a teenager from a middle class American family could fill a book? Was it a little thin? Flat out, not interesting? How did you plow through it?


[I know, I am going to hell]

You are bad. Now you must say one-hundred prayers to St. Pancake.

Get busy.

134 DisturbedEma  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:10:33pm

re: #127 SteveC

re: #125 Creeping Eruption


I laughed, so I'm right behind you!

It'll be a party, I meet you there. . .

135 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:10:33pm
136 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:10:35pm
Around “500 thugs” with clubs came out of a mosque and attacked

Using a mosque as a paramilitary staging area?! That's unpossible!

/

137 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:10:45pm

SEOUL, South Korea — North Korea threatened Wednesday to wipe the United States off the map

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Ain't it great how the axis of evil has moderated since Obama was elected?

138 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:10:50pm

re: #125 Creeping Eruption
Nah. Her parents maybe for raising such an idiot child.

139 DisturbedEma  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:11:21pm

re: #136 Occasional Reader

Using a mosque as a paramilitary staging area?! That's unpossible!

/

Remember this the next time someone is wailing about a bombing. . .

140 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:11:29pm

re: #119 Buck

Actually, the US armed both sides, but most people miss the point that the US was still a very small player in arming Saddam. Russia, China & France all supplied much more than the US did.

Funny, how those were the 3 countries that blocked the US at the UNSC in 2003 isn't it?

141 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:11:33pm

re: #129 jcm
Bill Bennett?

142 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:11:35pm

re: #131 MrSilverDragon

Will an upding get me an extra percentage of it? :)

Hell yeah, you can have avanti's share

143 SteveC  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:11:51pm

FOX says protesters being thrown off bridges.

144 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:11:52pm

re: #123 capitalist piglet

Neda Soltan's family 'forced out of home' by Iranian authorities

I read the article, the article stated that they had no way to confirm if the family was forced or moved on their own, or there was some other reason.

145 nikis-knight  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:12:15pm

re: #52 Nevergiveup

How could he guarantee Israel will be safe when his administration is canceling the exact same missile defense systems he might need to do just that?

He wouldn't need to physically stop the missles... force of his personality and grand oration would convince them not to, in exchange for merely everything they want.

146 jcm  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:12:16pm

re: #126 pingjockey

Heh, they showed some video of the Iranian Air Force. An F-4, an F-14, and a trainer jet sold for export, the ones you see the NASA guys flying. God only knows what other kind of crap they've got.


F-5, NASA has the T-38 Talon, F-5 is a re-powered T-38 fuselage and sold as export.

147 yochanan  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:12:31pm

LOOKS LIKE THE BLOOD BATH HAS STARTED

148 DisturbedEma  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:12:39pm

re: #143 SteveC

FOX says protesters being thrown off bridges.

GOTTENYU!

149 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:12:54pm

re: #143 SteveC

FOX says protesters being thrown off bridges.

All in the tradition of the Hamas body throw from tall buildings in Gaza

150 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:13:00pm

re: #144 Walter L. Newton

I read the article, the article stated that they had no way to confirm if the family was forced or moved on their own, or there was some other reason.

Thank you, Walter - I just caught the headline, found it noteworthy, and posted.

151 jcm  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:13:03pm

re: #141 pingjockey

Bill Bennett?

Yep....

152 DisturbedEma  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:13:04pm

re: #147 yochanan

LOOKS LIKE THE BLOOD BATH HAS STARTED

And dear leader is just watching it grow. . .

153 SteveC  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:13:18pm

Video of riot police - full hats and bats, and just wading into the crowd

154 Buck  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:13:28pm

re: #126 pingjockey

Heh, they showed some video of the Iranian Air Force. An F-4, an F-14, and a trainer jet sold for export, the ones you see the NASA guys flying. God only knows what other kind of crap they've got.

Yes, the Iranians are knee deep in US tech and arms... The Shah was famous for shopping and looking for that "Made in America" label...

SO when they needed spare parts, who do you think the Mulahs would call?

155 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:13:44pm

re: #140 Kenneth

Actually, the US armed both sides, but most people miss the point that the US was still a very small player in arming Saddam. Russia, China & France all supplied much more than the US did.

Funny, how those were the 3 countries that blocked the US at the UNSC in 2003 isn't it?

I miss BOTH the rooster AND francestinks.com

156 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:13:53pm

re: #146 jcm
Thanks. It was the damndest collection of aircraft I've ever seen, outside of an airshow. I just wonder how airworthy the F-4/F-14 are?

157 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:13:58pm

So the Iranian Regime will kill it's fellow citizens, brethren, and relgious constituents...yet by the mere power of Obama's words they will not attempt to kill us, the infidel?

/Unicorn!

158 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:14:16pm

re: #151 jcm
Thanks.

159 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:14:17pm

The UN of course has acted forcefully to stop this barbarism ...

/

160 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:14:23pm

re: #143 SteveC

FOX says protesters being thrown off bridges.

Those protesters would be doomed if Obama spoke out too strongly on their behalf. That's what my liberal friends keep telling me, anyway. He's playing this 'just right'.

161 DisturbedEma  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:14:29pm

re: #157 Oh no...Sand People!

So the Iranian Regime will kill it's fellow citizens, brethren, and relgious constituents...yet by the mere power of Obama's words they will not attempt to kill us, the infidel?

/Unicorn!

We need a hit of Unicorn fart at Moveon stat!

162 jcm  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:14:29pm

re: #149 Nevergiveup

All in the tradition of the Hamas body throw from tall buildings in Gaza

And Saddam...

163 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:15:01pm

re: #142 Nevergiveup

Hell yeah, you can have avanti's share

That's funny.

164 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:15:17pm

re: #113 Nevergiveup

They made is seem as the EU and the "great" and "reasonable" Powell and Armatige had all figured out till that neocon Bush and his demon little neocon advisers, especially that terrible rude man Bolton screwed it all up. Yeah, ya mean that minor slant?

Yeah, that one. I certainly do not believe the truth lies fully with Bush & Bolton. I believe there was more to the Iraq late victory than just the military buildup, the Surge. The Iranians pulled back for other reasons we don't know yet. They got something. Bush absolutely needed bring this to a close.

165 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:15:47pm

re: #160 capitalist piglet

Those protesters would be doomed if Obama spoke out too strongly on their behalf. That's what my liberal friends keep telling me, anyway. He's playing this 'just right'.

Next step: Blame the current brutality on the statements by McCain and GOP leaders. You know it's coming.

166 haakondahl  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:15:58pm

re: #83 pingjockey

What is that? Revisionist bullshit?

Zinn is on record saying that the world would have been better off if America had never existed. His miserable Marxist text is the most widely used History text in U.S. Universities.

167 DisturbedEma  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:16:15pm

re: #160 capitalist piglet

re: #143 SteveC


Those protesters would be doomed if Obama spoke out too strongly on their behalf. That's what my liberal friends keep telling me, anyway. He's playing this 'just right'.

When Moses faced the Red Sea, he struck his staff on a rock rather than pray. . .teaching that when faced with a crisis situation. . .DO SOMETHING, even if it seems unlikely to work. . .better to try than to stand by. . .

168 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:16:23pm

Obama considers budget cut - no hot-dogs for Mad Mullahs: President Obama reconsidering July 4 invitations to Iran

Boy...if that doesn't get their attention, nothing will.

169 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:16:36pm

re: #147 yochanan

LOOKS LIKE THE BLOOD BATH HAS STARTED

God help those people. (And this is an atheist saying it...)

170 jcm  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:16:41pm

re: #156 pingjockey

Thanks. It was the damndest collection of aircraft I've ever seen, outside of an airshow. I just wonder how airworthy the F-4/F-14 are?

They have a hand full that can get airborne...
Combat effective? Not likely against IAF, USAF and USN.

171 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:17:17pm

re: #168 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Obama considers budget cut - no hot-dogs for Mad Mullahs: President Obama reconsidering July 4 invitations to Iran

Boy...if that doesn't get their attention, nothing will.

This is what Obama meant by frank diplomacy.

172 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:17:23pm
173 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:17:32pm

re: #166 haakondahl
WHAT? OMG! I knew there was a reason I don't trust most instituitions of higher learning.

174 DisturbedEma  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:17:40pm

re: #160 capitalist piglet

re: #143 SteveC


Those protesters would be doomed if Obama spoke out too strongly on their behalf. That's what my liberal friends keep telling me, anyway. He's playing this 'just right'.

So they are doomed if we do and doomed if we don't? Fuck it- support them!

175 Idle Drifter  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:17:43pm

re: #125 Creeping Eruption

What about the life of a teenager from a middle class American family could fill a book? Was it a little thin? Flat out, not interesting? How did you plow through it?


[I know, I am going to hell]

I only picked it up to it noticed was a very short book indeed. Read only the inside cover summary about how she was a heroine and replaced the book on its self. Che Guevara had all sorts of very thick books and a graphic novel that tried to paint him a remorseful about the Cuban executions after the revolution.

176 SecondComing  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:17:48pm

re: #101 capitalist piglet

That was yesterday. Today, he's planning a luau on the White House lawn.

File that under "Things that sound like a joke, but aren't."

Next week it's hotdogs with the Mullahs!

177 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:17:55pm

re: #171 Occasional Reader

Gotta be.

178 SteveC  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:17:58pm

re: #161 DisturbedEma

We need a hit of Unicorn fart at Moveon stat!

Squad 51, Engine 51, man with Cranial-Rectal Insertion. Respond to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Time out: 1417

179 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:18:28pm

re: #175 Idle Drifter

I only picked it up to it noticed was a very short book indeed. Read only the inside cover summary about how she was a heroine and replaced the book on its self. Che Guevara had all sorts of very thick books and a graphic novel that tried to paint him a remorseful about the Cuban executions after the revolution.

Man oh man will the left be pissed if it ever got out that she was on heroin./

180 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:18:33pm

re: #137 Nevergiveup

SEOUL, South Korea — North Korea threatened Wednesday to wipe the United States off the map

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Ain't it great how the axis of evil has moderated since Obama was elected?

Well, there's some change. I wonder where the hope is.

181 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:19:09pm

re: #137 Nevergiveup

Ain't it great how the axis of evil has moderated since Obama was elected?

Don't these people REALIZE how cool he is?!

182 DisturbedEma  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:19:39pm

re: #171 Occasional Reader

re: #168 aboo-Hoo-Hoo


Obama considers budget cut - no hot-dogs for Mad Mullahs: President Obama reconsidering July 4 invitations to Iran

Boy...if that doesn't get their attention, nothing will.


This is what Obama meant by frank diplomacy.

He is just the wurst. . .

183 DisturbedEma  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:20:19pm

re: #178 SteveC

re: #161 DisturbedEma


Squad 51, Engine 51, man with Cranial-Rectal Insertion. Respond to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Time out: 1417

Rampart, are you there?

184 American Sabra  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:20:54pm

If anyone thinks Achmedineajad and the Mullahs rigged this election so that it would be overturned is either naive or ignorant. People will die, hundreds will be arrested, imprisoned and tortured. If they saw your face in the crowd, you're dead meat. And before we start calling the Iranian people cowards, we should be so unfortunate to have to walk in their shoes.

In another month or so it will all be forgotten. And the world can't do a damn thing except watch. The only we can do is offer them asylum.

We can do one thing that will bring Iran to it's knees and that's get off foreign oil. Invest in alternative energy, cut OPEC, Iran and Venezuelan oil dependence, save the planet. It's a win-win for (almost) everyone.

185 haakondahl  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:21:01pm

re: #140 Kenneth

Actually, the US armed both sides, but most people miss the point that the US was still a very small player in arming Saddam. Russia, China & France all supplied much more than the US did.

Funny, how those were the 3 countries that blocked the US at the UNSC in 2003 isn't it?

Indeed. To say that France refused because they didn't want to fight would be to overestimate the morality of their decision. It was money.

186 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:21:05pm

I'm wondering if there's just so much corruption that the mullahs MUST stay in power, or be exposed as the rancid little pieces of fecal matter that they are.

187 SteveC  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:21:20pm

re: #181 Occasional Reader

Don't these people REALIZE how cool he is?!

Feelin' Hot, Hot, Hot!

188 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:21:28pm

re: #125 Creeping Eruption

What about the life of a teenager from a middle class American family could fill a book? Was it a little thin? Flat out, not interesting? How did you plow through it?


[I know, I am going to hell]

Was this book next to it?

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

189 Land Shark  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:22:03pm

re: #156 pingjockey

I've seen recent pictures of Iranian F-14s flying posted over at airliners.net, so some of them are airworthy. However, these are 70s vintage Tomcats lacking the many upgrades the USN's birds got during the type's service career.

190 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:22:25pm

re: #140 Kenneth

US arms sales to Iraq during Saddam's reign was something like less than 1% of his overall purchases ($200 million total). The biggest sellers to Iraq were Russia/Soviet Union, France, and China. His nuclear reactor was a French design.

The Soviet/Russia sales accounted for nearly 60% of his total buy from 1973-2002.

191 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:22:36pm

re: #171 Occasional Reader

This is what Obama meant by frank diplomacy.

Don't be a brat!

192 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:22:41pm

re: #183 DisturbedEma

Emergency!

193 SteveC  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:22:56pm

re: #183 DisturbedEma

Rampart, are you there?

Start Ringers Lactate, use two large bore IVs and lots of Vaseline, and transport as soon as possible!

194 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:22:57pm

re: #180 capitalist piglet

Well, there's some change. I wonder where the hope is.

They'd better hurry-up and get in-line, the crowds been growing considerably now that Obama's mettle is known.

195 yochanan  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:23:00pm

there is weak and there is OBAMA WEAK

196 haakondahl  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:23:18pm

re: #146 jcm

F-5, NASA has the T-38 Talon, F-5 is a re-powered T-38 fuselage and sold as export.

Well, marketed anyway.

197 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:23:50pm

re: #189 Land Shark
That's what I figured. I was in sonar school with some Iranian sailors in 1977. So these Tomcats were over there before the Shah was overthrown. 30 year old fighters, heh.

198 captdiggs  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:24:13pm

Let's just call them what they are; The Iranian Gestapo.

199 Eowyn2  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:24:35pm

re: #62 DaddyG

Take heart! Churchill was an unseated politician painting pictures in his garden when the kraut hit the fan. The next great leader who emerges is not waiting for us in a case with a break glass in case of emergency sign.

He will break the glass himself.

200 SteveC  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:25:36pm

Haley Barbor (?) new head of Republican Governors Association.

201 SecondComing  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:26:05pm

slightly OT:

"Transformers": A Swipe at Obama?

http://www.wilshireandwashington.com/2009/06/transformers-a-swipe-at-obama.html

The President's man, "Galloway," is a bespectacled blowhard who becomes an obstacle to our brave fighting men and their alliance with the noble Autobots. Operating specifically under presidential authority, he makes all kinds of mischief. He says the President wants to try "diplomacy" against the evil Decepticons and hints the President would consider handing over Shia LaBouf's character to be killed by them.

In this movie, exactly one real-life politician is named: "President Obama." They went out of their way to make sure they named the craven, obstructionist president as Obama.

202 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:26:12pm

Some amazing photos up at this Iranian blog. The protesters look like they are getting more serious about putting up barricades and fighting back.

203 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:27:17pm

Joe Biden was right ... when Obama is challenged, "it won't be apparent he's doing the right thing."

204 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:29:02pm

re: #190 lawhawk

Thanks for the link. That canard has come up several times this past week, I'm glad to have a good link to the data now. Heck, Denmark supplied Iraq with more weapons that the US did.

205 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:29:05pm

re: #183 DisturbedEma

Rampart, are you there?

1000 up dings. I have not thought about "Emergency" in about 25 years.

206 sagehen  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:29:14pm

re: #86 Areopagitica

I hate to say this but, does anyone else think that the only way the protesters are going to bring about a regieme change is to organzie and arm themselves? They are winning a great symbolic victory but if the Basiji and IGRC clamp down and quell the situation, the protesters will have done all this in vain. They could very well be at the precipice of bringing down the millahs and Kahmeni and is conspiracy laden mentality but all that is happening is that they go out there and protest and then they get shot, killed or dispersed by the militias. The protesters need weapons or nothing is going to happen. The isn't like MLK style non-violent resistance where one is fighting a secular government.


I think the police and the regular army are going to take the protesters' side. They're already starting to sporadically, isolated instances of them protecting people from the Basiji. I think that will increase. If/when people come to believe that Hamas/Hezbollah are doing Khameini's dirty work, it will increase exponentially.

Hating foreign intervention, and everybody turning against whoever the foreigners are backing, doesn't mean only American or British. It means *any* foreigners.

The protesters will win. I wouldn't bet money on whether it takes only a few weeks or if it drags on for months, and I wouldn't want to guess how many deaths will pile up first, but they are going to win. Ahmedinejad and the mullahs are on borrowed time.

207 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:29:40pm

re: #203 _RememberTonyC

That's correct, it isn't apparent. It's glaringly obvious.

208 SteveC  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:29:46pm

*GASP!* Do you realize there is more than one side to the healthcare debate?!?!?!?

/Promote Captain Obvious immediately!

209 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:30:13pm

re: #201 SecondComing

That would explain the screechy, leftist tone of this review.

210 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:30:37pm

re: #204 Kenneth

Thanks for the link. That canard has come up several times this past week, I'm glad to have a good link to the data now. Heck, Denmark supplied Iraq with more weapons that the US did.

The horned helmets and warhammers were especially nice.

/

211 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:31:04pm

re: #188 Mad Al-Jaffee

Was this book next to it?

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

LOL. Bravo, Bavissimo. It will be nice to know that I have company on the long ride down.

212 Yashmak  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:32:05pm

re: #197 pingjockey

That's what I figured. I was in sonar school with some Iranian sailors in 1977. So these Tomcats were over there before the Shah was overthrown. 30 year old fighters, heh.

Yeah, very few of them (if any) can still fly.

My company used to make some spare parts for those birds, and when they were withdrawn from US service, at govt representative came to our facility to personally oversee the destruction of our remaining inventory, as part of an effort to make sure no spare parts ever got to Iran for those planes.

213 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:32:09pm

The second amendment is the guarantee of all the balance of the Constitution. Never forget it.

214 SteveC  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:32:20pm

re: #205 Creeping Eruption

1000 up dings. I have not thought about "Emergency" in about 25 years.

"Sometimes people just freak out all over the place." - John Gage

215 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:33:19pm

re: #212 Yashmak
IIRC, Iran was the only foreign country to get f-14s.

216 SecondComing  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:33:30pm

Where is Rafsanjani?

217 Yashmak  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:34:27pm

re: #215 pingjockey

IIRC, Iran was the only foreign country to get f-14s.

I believe you're correct.

218 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:36:12pm

I'm going up thread, can't keep up!
Meds are my friend!

219 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:36:23pm

re: #86 Areopagitica

I hate to say this but, does anyone else think that the only way the protesters are going to bring about a regieme change is to organzie and arm themselves? They are winning a great symbolic victory but if the Basiji and IGRC clamp down and quell the situation, the protesters will have done all this in vain. They could very well be at the precipice of bringing down the millahs and Kahmeni and is conspiracy laden mentality but all that is happening is that they go out there and protest and then they get shot, killed or dispersed by the militias. The protesters need weapons or nothing is going to happen. The isn't like MLK style non-violent resistance where one is fighting a secular government.

If it were 2005/6, and the Iranians were inciting the Shia/Sunni violence (and supplying the IED's) in Iraq, as they were, George Bush would have supplied the needed weapons to this Resistance.

220 SecondComing  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:36:44pm

re: #209 OldLineTexan

That would explain the screechy, leftist tone of this review.

Judging from this line it looks like it's true:

"My kids don't need to see your salivating soft-porn fantasies or your reactionary militaristic politics."

221 jcm  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:37:09pm

re: #215 pingjockey

IIRC, Iran was the only foreign country to get f-14s.

Correct.
The first and only country to receive F-14 Tomcat was, The Nirouyeh Havaiyeh Shahanshahiye Iran

222 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:38:05pm

re: #202 Kenneth

Some amazing photos up at this Iranian blog. The protesters look like they are getting more serious about putting up barricades and fighting back.

That photo of the mullahs at the top is VERY interesting!

223 Land Shark  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:39:13pm

re: #197 pingjockey

When I was in my USAF tech-school back in '75 at Lowry AFB in Colorado, there was a fairly large group of Iranian Air Force personnel training there. I still remember our incoming briefing where they warned us not to discuss politics with them or call them "camel jockeys". I actually met a couple of them, they seemed like nice guys. They liked to drink a lot, though.

224 SecondComing  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:39:37pm

re: #222 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That photo of the mullahs at the top is VERY interesting!

I was thinking the same thing.

225 opnion  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:40:07pm

re: #195 yochanan

there is weak and there is OBAMA WEAK

You know in the very beginning, I did kind of understand Obama attitude, even if I did not necessarily agree.
At this point there is no excuse for not just supporting the demonstrators.
They are beating & killing them anyway. The British , French & Germans are not equivocating & the American President is looking very Neville Chamberlain.

226 quickjustice  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:40:39pm

Unless elements of the Iranian Army, Police, or both, break ranks, this will only stop when all the protesters are dead, wounded, or in prison.

Pay attention, lizards, and learn how a noble people die. And resolve that this never will happen to us.

227 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:40:59pm

re: #211 Creeping Eruption

Great minds...

228 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:41:38pm

I just got an email from an Iranian friend in the US. He told me he spoke to his brothers back in Iran and that the situation is 10 times worse than the media is reporting. I guess he means than the US msm like CNN is showing.

229 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:43:21pm

8.26pm:
Confirmed! No hotdogs, halal or trayf, for those Iranian diplos.

At the White House today, Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs put on the kibosh.

"Given the events of the past many days, those invitations will no longer be extended," presidential spokesman Robert Gibbs said.

No Iranian diplomats had accepted the invitations, the state department said.

230 sagehen  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:43:29pm

re: #103 buzzsawmonkey

I consider the above to be an utterly insane scenario. But I believe that is what lurks behind Obama's hell-bent careen towards getting a "Palestinian" state right now. I think Obama is foolish enough to buy it, and I think his advisors will be rooting for it.

Do you seriously think Rahm Emmanuel would be rooting for a strategy that endangers Israel? I don't. There's some secret strategy going behind the scenes that Rahm believes will enhance Israel's security -- the day he stops trusting in that is the day he resigns.

231 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:44:12pm

re: #229 Kenneth

8.26pm:
Confirmed! No hotdogs, halal or trayf, for those Iranian diplos.

At the White House today, Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs put on the kibosh.

"Given the events of the past many days, those invitations will no longer be extended," presidential spokesman Robert Gibbs said.

No Iranian diplomats had accepted the invitations, the state department said.

Kibosh on the Kibbe, huh? Bout' Fucking time.

232 alegrias  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:45:04pm

re: #230 sagehen

Do you seriously think Rahm Emmanuel would be rooting for a strategy that endangers Israel? I don't. There's some secret strategy going behind the scenes that Rahm believes will enhance Israel's security -- the day he stops trusting in that is the day he resigns.

* * * *
Oh yeah, Rahm Emanuel cares about Israel so he signs on to be right hand executioner to the most ANTI Israel Democrat.

You've got to be kidding.

233 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:45:16pm

And the response to the crackdown? (from Twitter) "Allahu Akbars start with deafening intensity." [Link: twitter.com...]

234 Land Shark  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:46:15pm

re: #228 Kenneth

Does he mean it's worst in terms of the regime's crackdown or the quantity of protesters out protesting? Or is it both?

235 lanaty  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:46:38pm

Update on my family: My cousin in Tehran was beaten up a few days ago and shot with a rubber bullet yesterday. He's okay and it's not stopping him from protesting. Some other relatives have left Tehran for more quiet areas like Gorgan and Mashad.

Full disclosure: I did not vote for Obama. Initially I thought he was doing the right thing by largely avoiding the Iran subject, but today people are being beaten to death with axes. All that B. Hussein can do is wag an angry finger and consider retracting an invite to a BBQ? Change!

For those who insist the US should begin meddling, what do you propose? Air strikes? Arming people from the borders?

236 alegrias  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:48:16pm

re: #233 bloodstar

And the response to the crackdown? (from Twitter) "Allahu Akbars start with deafening intensity." [Link: twitter.com...]

* * * *

Democrats turned their backs on millions of Cambodians and let Pol Pot slaughter with impunity.

Democrats did not shed a tear for our Vietnamese & Cambodian allies murdered in the killing fields.

Nothing has changed in democrats' hearts. Innocent life is expendable.

237 alegrias  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:51:06pm

re: #235 lanaty

Update on my family: My cousin in Tehran was beaten up a few days ago and shot with a rubber bullet yesterday. He's okay and it's not stopping him from protesting. Some other relatives have left Tehran for more quiet areas like Gorgan and Mashad.

Full disclosure: I did not vote for Obama. Initially I thought he was doing the right thing by largely avoiding the Iran subject, but today people are being beaten to death with axes. All that B. Hussein can do is wag an angry finger and consider retracting an invite to a BBQ? Change!

For those who insist the US should begin meddling, what do you propose? Air strikes? Arming people from the borders?

* * * *
Good luck to your family.

Whatever plans the US military might have to come to the aid of freedom-loving Iranians, are unfortunately in the hands of someone who won't lift a finger.

238 lanaty  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:51:27pm

re: #228 Kenneth

My cousin said this morning that there is "blood everywhere, everywhere".

239 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:51:54pm

re: #234 Land Shark

He means the regime violence. My friend escaped Iran during the Iran/Iraq war. His family opposed the shah, figuring anybody was better than him. Well, they learned it could get even worse. He hates the mullahs as so many Iranians do.

240 BLBfootballs  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:51:57pm

re: #117 Nevergiveup

And I'm going to win the lottery tomorrow and split the winnings with each and every lizard here.

Don't forget all us little lizards who got you here!

241 BLBfootballs  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:52:44pm

re: #103 buzzsawmonkey

A bold.... but not implausible scenario.

242 jcm  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:54:35pm

re: #235 lanaty

Update on my family: My cousin in Tehran was beaten up a few days ago and shot with a rubber bullet yesterday. He's okay and it's not stopping him from protesting. Some other relatives have left Tehran for more quiet areas like Gorgan and Mashad.

Full disclosure: I did not vote for Obama. Initially I thought he was doing the right thing by largely avoiding the Iran subject, but today people are being beaten to death with axes. All that B. Hussein can do is wag an angry finger and consider retracting an invite to a BBQ? Change!

For those who insist the US should begin meddling, what do you propose? Air strikes? Arming people from the borders?

That's the problem isn't it?
We can't be seen has interfering but when is help interfering.
One issue is we don't know who to deal with in offering aid. Mousavi? I don't think so.

As much as I'd love to weigh in, this is really up to the Iranian people. If we get credible requests, from credible opposition leaders for assistance, arms, logistics I'd be all for that.

No matter what we say in support, or actually do, the Mullahs will spin it as interference.

243 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 12:55:18pm

re: #235 lanaty

May God protect your family and guide the Iranian people through this terrible time of trial. The thugs may be able to stop these protests for now, but I believe the regime has been fatally wounded. The 1979 revolution took 12 months to overthrow the Shah. This is not over yet.

244 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:00:21pm

lanaty,

This blog you referred to a couple days ago is back on line:

[Link: www.madyariran.net...]

you said you could translate if there was anything new or important?

245 califleftyb  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:00:22pm

The people of Iran must know that the world is watching and is with them. All we can do is give them hope and courage during these dark days.

On Friday, June 26, come out to show your solidarity with the people’s movement in Iran. June 26 is significant because four global union organizations representing over 170 million workers have called a worldwide action day to demand justice for Iranian workers. We can and must turn this day into a day of condemnation of the Islamic regime. Some of the demonstrations are listed below. They will be held at consulates and embassies of the Islamic Republic of Iran:

New York City at Columbus Circle Friday June 26th, from 6:30 to 8:30.
London, 16 Princes Gate, London SW7 IPT 12:30

These will be held at consulates and embassies of the Islamic Republic of Iran
Ottawa, Canada, 12-3pm
Copenhagen, Denmark, 12pm
Helsinki, Finland, 11am
Frankfurt, Germany, 11am
Bern, Switzerland, 12pm
Canberra, Australia, 12pm
Stockholm, Sweden, 12pm

add your cities info if you know!

246 lanaty  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:00:52pm

re: #237 alegrias

* * * *
Good luck to your family.

Whatever plans the US military might have to come to the aid of freedom-loving Iranians, are unfortunately in the hands of someone who won't lift a finger.

I think you're right. Seems to me that there are only two options: foreign intervention or the military (not paramilitary like Basij etc.) turning against the government.

I think many posters here know more about US history than I do, so humor me. Are there any examples of the US successfully arming a resistance against a dictatorial government that didn't become a debacle? We armed the Muhjiadeen without installing a government for them and the Taliban came along. The overthrowing of Mossadegh in Iran left a bitter taste with some Iranians, but I don't know how sensitive their tastebuds are anymore.

247 lanaty  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:03:38pm

re: #244 Kenneth

Sure, I'll get started. By the way, Google Translate is not perfect but you might be able to parse through it using that.

248 WinterCat  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:05:14pm

re: #45 Killgore Trout

Officials: President Obama reconsidering July 4 invitations to Iran

2:20 PM ET -- State Department: No Iranians have accepted July 4 invitation. From the AP:

First the red button of do overs to the Russians and now picnics for diplomats of hostile countries. What kind of sophomoric diplomacy is the US engaging in?

249 SecondComing  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:05:35pm

re: #201 SecondComing

slightly OT:

"Transformers": A Swipe at Obama?

http://www.wilshireandwashington.com/2009/06/trans formers-a-swipe-at-obama.html

Do you realize how funny this is if it's true? Obama wanting to try diplomacy with the Decepticons. hahaha

250 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:06:17pm

re: #248 WinterCat

What kind of sophomoric diplomacy is the US engaging in?

I think that calling this diplomacy is a stretch.

251 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:07:18pm

O to see the free people of the world invade Iran and take down the tyrants.

It is a measure of our own sickness that we do not.

252 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:07:47pm

re: #247 lanaty

Sure, I'll get started. By the way, Google Translate is not perfect but you might be able to parse through it using that.

Parsing Farsi? Sounds like fun!

253 [deleted]  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:08:56pm
254 sagehen  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:09:02pm

re: #246 lanaty

I think many posters here know more about US history than I do, so humor me. Are there any examples of the US successfully arming a resistance against a dictatorial government that didn't become a debacle?

Here's some examples of the U.S. offering expressions of support with little or no actual practical support -- all of them ended badly.

[Link: blogs.tnr.com...]

**

255 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:09:04pm

re: #236 alegrias

* * * *

Democrats turned their backs on millions of Cambodians and let Pol Pot slaughter with impunity.

Democrats did not shed a tear for our Vietnamese & Cambodian allies murdered in the killing fields.

Nothing has changed in democrats' hearts. Innocent life is expendable.

How much help did we give the Iraqis in 2001? Calling it a Democrat or Republican problem belies the issue, it's a human problem. Iran is not a Republican or Democrat issue. Trying to blame one side or the other doesn't do any good for the Iranians, and while it might seem a good time to score a few cheap (and misguided) points against the Democrats, it doesn't do a bit of good for the Iranians who have died and are going to die.

And what do you suggest be done? clap harder?

256 lanaty  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:09:09pm

re: #252 Kenneth

Parsing Farsi? Sounds like fun!

:)

Caught me.

257 solomonpanting  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:12:48pm
“The Islamic establishment and people will never give in to forceful demands in regard to the election,” Khamenei, the highest authority among the Shiite Muslim clerics who rule Iran, told lawmakers yesterday in Tehran, according to state television. “The violation of the election will lead to dictatorship.”

Good thing there's still a long road ahead to reach that destination.
/

258 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:16:57pm

June 23, 2009: Update 2: Morteza Rezai said to be behind "coup."

FDI sources tell us that the real power behind the Khamenei throne is not so much his son, Mojtaba, but the long-standing head of IRGC intelligence, Morteza Rezai.

Few people beyond the inner leadership circle have ever seen Rezai (not to be mistaken with presidential candidate and former IRGC commander Mohsen Rezai, who is not family), as he does not frequently appear at large public gatherings.

Two years ago, Morteza Rezai "retired" from the IRGC, but our sources say he was put in charge of a top secret program on behalf of Khamenei and Ahmadinejad, to guarantee his re-election in 2009. Part of the plan, as we revealed below (Update 3 from yesterday) was for Ahmadinejad to suspend the constitutional term limits on his office, and become president for life - like Hugo Chavez.

"All the billions of dollars these reformists say has gone missing these past few years have gone to Morteza Rezai to plan this coup," a former Iranian intelligence officer told FDI.

259 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:25:07pm
260 Land Shark  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:26:17pm

re: #243 Kenneth

Amen! From your mouth to God's ears.

261 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:30:31pm

re: #225 opnion

Obama should at least say;

"Shame on the disgusting theocrats who are denying to the people of Iran the freedom that God intends all should have."

But he probably won't say that.

262 spudly  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 1:39:19pm

re: #84 alegrias

* * * *
Thanks, I wasn't even sure I got Enola Gay's cargo names right.

Enola Gay carried Little Boy, Fat Man was carried by BOCKS CAR.

263 lanaty  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 2:01:28pm

re: #244 Kenneth

lanaty,

This blog you referred to a couple days ago is back on line:

[Link: www.madyariran.net...]

you said you could translate if there was anything new or important?

Ok, I read through it. Nothing terribly important in it right now. The most recent post compares this coup to the one from 1953. The next post identifies some of the dead. I'll keep the blog open just in case there's a new post.

264 Code Red 21  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 2:48:01pm

I don't understand why people think BO is going to say or do anything about the brave souls in Iran trying to gain freedom from tyranny. His whole focus as far as I can tell is to set up his vision of the Marxist utopia that he thinks is best for this country. Everything else is just a nuisance, like a fly, just to be brushed aside. Everyone talks about how cool he is under pressure, he's not cool he's a sociopath who doesn't give a flying f'k about anything outside of his agenda. So a few Iranians get beaten or shot to death, that just delays his so called peace talks with the mullahs, give him a few months, things will cool down and he'll trot his ass over there to play kissy face with them.

265 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 3:55:41pm

re: #263 lanaty

Thanks.

And it's nice to meet you. I will look for your comments on Iran in the next while.

266 nyc redneck  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 5:52:45pm

there is no excuse for o's failure to whole heartedly support and embrace the iranian citizens.
this acting like a detached observer content to "witness" the horror is making him seem very sinister and cold hearted .

267 newsread5  Wed, Jun 24, 2009 5:57:04pm

RE 262 Which one did the Indianappolis carry?


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