The insane conspiracy theory called the “Birther movement” is gaining support among Republican politicians. Now there’s actually a bill sponsored by Republicans that panders to these nuts. I hate it when I agree with Chris Matthews, but he’s right on this issue — this madness is embarrassing, self-destructive, and above all mind-bogglingly schtoopid.
And it’s spreading.
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Erik The Red Wed, Jul 22, 2009 3:57:03pm |
Are they all fucking stupid or are they just plain dumb?
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albusteve Wed, Jul 22, 2009 3:59:36pm |
this creepy freakzoid actually represents American voters…chew on that
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avanti Wed, Jul 22, 2009 3:59:59pm |
Wonderful news if you are a Democrat. It looks like the GOP wants to snatch defeat from the jaws of potential victory in 2010.
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Erik The Red Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:00:19pm |
re: #3 buzzsawmonkey
Between Mathews’ sneering foghorn voice and the Congressman’s weasel body language, the video is truly painful to watch.
I stopped at about 60 seconds.
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iLikeCandy Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:00:48pm |
Can’t remember where I saw it, but some commenter or analyst I read said that Obama is probably enjoying this drama and is deliberately protracting it. At the moment when the birthers have reached the apex of their noise, Obama will calmly pull the document from his pocket and blandly ask, “Is this what you were looking for?”
Thus making complete fools of all Republicans and conservatives, because the entire party and movement will be blamed for it.
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Erik The Red Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:01:48pm |
re: #7 iLikeCandy
Can’t remember where I saw it, but some commenter or analyst I read said that Obama is probably enjoying this drama and is deliberately protracting it. At the moment when the birthers have reached the apex of their noise, Obama will calmly pull the document from his pocket and blandly ask, “Is this what you were looking for?”
Thus making complete fools of all Republicans and conservatives, because the entire party and movement will be blamed for it.
As much as it kills me to admit it, I agree 100%.
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albusteve Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:03:23pm |
re: #7 iLikeCandy
Can’t remember where I saw it, but some commenter or analyst I read said that Obama is probably enjoying this drama and is deliberately protracting it. At the moment when the birthers have reached the apex of their noise, Obama will calmly pull the document from his pocket and blandly ask, “Is this what you were looking for?”
Thus making complete fools of all Republicans and conservatives, because the entire party and movement will be blamed for it.
what is it they would be looking for?…what’s the document?
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SFGoth Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:05:07pm |
And people panned me when I said that the GOP just could not get its act together by 2012… :-P
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Shug Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:05:41pm |
With the Democrats imploding, only a bunch of Idiots wouldn’t be able to make massive gains in the congress and senate, next elections
oh wait…
damn
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LGoPs Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:06:19pm |
Rather than looking for Obama’s birth certificate, what really needs to be looked at are the SAT scores of all the nimrods that voted for him. That’s where the real answer to the puzzlement behind how he got elected lies.
/
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Targetpractice Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:06:24pm |
How exactly do they think this is going to help them? They’re going to end up losing more people to this insanity than they would have by telling the nirther’s to take a hike. There are other ways to attack Obama than to sign on to this lunacy.
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BatGuano Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:06:50pm |
re: #12 SFGoth
And people panned me when I said that the GOP just could not get its act together by 2012… :-P
They can get their act together but it will require leadership right now: Something were are sorely lacking.
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albusteve Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:06:56pm |
if the vast middle ground voters elected BO on such flimsy grounds, I have to wonder how much the troofers will hurt the GOP…if it becomes mainstream then it’s all relative…politics and elections are out of control now
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Shug Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:07:28pm |
bullshit: I want to see the TOTUS’s certificate, date and location of manufacture.
and I want it NOW
something tells me that thing was made in CHINA or JAPAN!
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IslandLibertarian Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:08:28pm |
re: #11 buzzsawmonkey
Matthews is a RACIST!
His liberal white guilt keeps him creaming his jeans for the big “0”(pronounced zero).
/but the Repub’s supporting “birthers” need to be corrected. E-mail, call, voice your displeasure.
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Erik The Red Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:08:38pm |
re: #18 Shug
bullshit: I want to see the TOTUS’s certificate, date and location of manufacture.
and I want it NOWsomething tells me that thing was made in CHINA or JAPAN!
Yeah but it was assembled in the USA, thus making it American made.
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Lincolntf Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:09:44pm |
Oh crap. Now Nancy Piehole is claiming that she “has the votes” to make the Health Care Disaster a reality. I really hope Obama isn’t gonna walk on stage tonight and announce that the bill has enough votes to pass.
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Shr_Nfr Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:10:05pm |
Again, all I want to see is his Occidental college application. The birth certificate nonsense is like the warming pan of the Glorious Revolution. If he put down American for his citizenship then that settles everything unless he had the bad sense to use his Indonesian passport to go to Pakistan.
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pingjockey Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:10:48pm |
I swear, if it ain’t IDers, YECers, troofers, it’s nirthers on the right. Where in hell did all the idiots come from? It’s bad enough the msm is in the tank for the one, but of course they’re gonna give brain dead fools like this all the air time they want to spout their nonsense for the country to see.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:10:53pm |
re: #5 avanti
Wonderful news if you are a Democrat. It looks like the GOP wants to snatch defeat from the jaws of potential victory in 2010.
And terrible news if you are a Democrat, and you voted for Obama, thinking that he could actually deliver on his promises. The Democrats are self-destructing on the healt care bill.
Obama and all the progressives that put so much faith in this guy are getting trashed.
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Erik The Red Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:11:05pm |
re: #21 Lincolntf
Oh crap. Now Nancy Piehole is claiming that she “has the votes” to make the Health Care Disaster a reality. I really hope Obama isn’t gonna walk on stage tonight and announce that the bill has enough votes to pass.
There are going to be no more arms to break after this vote.
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Sharmuta Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:11:54pm |
What is going on, Chris asks.
I’ll tell you Chris. It’s astroturfing from kooks like world net daily, pamella geller, and alex jones. Perhaps it could be stopped if people had faith in the quality of news sources like your network.
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Lincolntf Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:12:06pm |
re: #25 Erik The Red
And no one to put casts on those arms, either.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:12:23pm |
Also see: Liz Cheney Defends Birthers On Larry King (VIDEO)
I’d have a lot more respect for the GOP if the leadership would speak out against this nonsense. Republicans desperately need to get rid of the nuts. Nobody seems interested in doing it. The base is busy purging the RINOs and moderates.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:12:38pm |
re: #21 Lincolntf
Oh crap. Now Nancy Piehole is claiming that she “has the votes” to make the Health Care Disaster a reality. I really hope Obama isn’t gonna walk on stage tonight and announce that the bill has enough votes to pass.
Well, it’s possible that she has some Republicans on her side. Hell, the conservatives can’t stick to their guns on anything, example, Sotomayor.
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Targetpractice Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:12:48pm |
re: #21 Lincolntf
Oh crap. Now Nancy Piehole is claiming that she “has the votes” to make the Health Care Disaster a reality. I really hope Obama isn’t gonna walk on stage tonight and announce that the bill has enough votes to pass.
Last I checked, she has enough in the House, but the Senate Blue Dogs are still turning Harry every way but loose. If they had the votes in both houses to get this abomination passed, they’d have done so by now.
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Shug Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:13:32pm |
re: #20 Erik The Red
Yeah but it was assembled in the USA, thus making it American made.
sure. that’s what you say…
///
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:13:42pm |
re: #29 Killgore Trout
Also see: Liz Cheney Defends Birthers On Larry King (VIDEO)
I’d have a lot more respect for the GOP if the leadership would speak out against this nonsense. …
I bet…
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avanti Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:13:45pm |
re: #24 Walter L. Newton
And terrible news if you are a Democrat, and you voted for Obama, thinking that he could actually deliver on his promises. The Democrats are self-destructing on the healt care bill.
Obama and all the progressives that put so much faith in this guy are getting trashed.
Walter, it’s not over til the fat lady sings and if fails, it won’t be for lack of trying.
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MJ Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:14:01pm |
Todays New York Times has a piece on this “movement”
‘Birther’ Boom
[Link: opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com…]
Worth the read.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:14:23pm |
re: #23 pingjockey
I swear, if it ain’t IDers, YECers, troofers, it’s nirthers on the right. Where in hell did all the idiots come from? It’s bad enough the msm is in the tank for the one, but of course they’re gonna give brain dead fools like this all the air time they want to spout their nonsense for the country to see.
re: #27 Sharmuta
What is going on, Chris asks.
I’ll tell you Chris. It’s astroturfing from kooks like world net daily, pamella geller, and alex jones. Perhaps it could be stopped if people had faith in the quality of news sources like your network.
Unfortunately, it seems to me that what else is going on is all the right-wing nuts are jockeying for position within the Rep party, trying to be the one whose position ends up on top.
What I want to know is where, oh where, are rational leaders for the GOP? Where are they? Why are they hiding? Or do they simply not exist?
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Lincolntf Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:14:28pm |
re: #30 Walter L. Newton
She may have Republicans on her side, wouldn’t surprise me a bit if a few went over to the D-side. There are (almost) always a few.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:14:35pm |
re: #24 Walter L. Newton
And terrible news if you are a Democrat, and you voted for Obama, thinking that he could actually deliver on his promises. The Democrats are self-destructing on the healt care bill.
Obama and all the progressives that put so much faith in this guy are getting trashed.
re: #30 Walter L. Newton
Well, it’s possible that she has some Republicans on her side. Hell, the conservatives can’t stick to their guns on anything, example, Sotomayor.
And looking at all the issues, and all the idiots in Washington, bottom line is you can’t trust any of them.
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The Shadow Do Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:14:36pm |
Never thought I would be cheering on Chris Mathews.
The stupid Pubs, my party, do indeed need a smaller tent. Nirthers, Nazis, Religio-zealots and other undesirables need not apply.
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tokyobk Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:14:50pm |
What do these people say about the Newspaper birth announcement?
What do moon landing conspiracists say about the recent hubble photos that show traces of the event?
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:14:55pm |
A video montage of Nirthers from the KosKidz…
The Birthers — Conservative Media Feed “The Wacko Wing”
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pingjockey Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:14:58pm |
re: #27 Sharmuta
Hey Sharm could you give me a definition of astroturfing? Please. That little term seems to have passed me by!
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Shug Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:15:02pm |
re: #24 Walter L. Newton
And terrible news if you are a Democrat, and you voted for Obama, thinking that he could actually deliver on his promises. The Democrats are self-destructing on the healt care bill.
Obama and all the progressives that put so much faith in this guy are getting trashed.
and if their only hopes for survival hang on a bunch of fucking nirthers, they are hosed.
hopefully the nirther, birther, bircher, truther, etc..er fringe stays that : a fringe
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Lincolntf Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:15:22pm |
re: #31 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
As I understand it, it’s the 50 or so B-D’s in the House that are preventing the steamroller from reaching the Senate.
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hous bin pharteen Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:15:29pm |
The GOP should copy the Dem’s. With their history of criminals and nut cases in office, why should the GOP not get a turn. From Obama, to the sex crime Pres (Clinton) all the way to a mob boss son (Kennedy) [Link: www.britannica.com…] who got rich in Prohibition and funky dealing’s on Wall Street). Say it isn’t so! They want Nirthers when they can have greedy nuts!
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Sharmuta Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:15:45pm |
re: #37 reine.de.tout
Unfortunately, it seems to me that what else is going on is all the right-wing nuts are jockeying for position within the Rep party, trying to be the one whose position ends up on top.
What I want to know is where, oh where, are rational leaders for the GOP? Where are they? Why are they hiding? Or do they simply not exist?
I doubt the existence of rational GOP leadership at this time.
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steve Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:16:04pm |
re: #18 Shug
bullshit: I want to see the TOTUS’s certificate, date and location of manufacture.
and I want it NOWsomething tells me that thing was made in CHINA or JAPAN!
I’m voting for North Korea
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iLikeCandy Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:16:05pm |
re: #15 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
How exactly do they think this is going to help them? They’re going to end up losing more people to this insanity than they would have by telling the nirther’s to take a hike. There are other ways to attack Obama than to sign on to this lunacy.
Yes. It looks as though Republicans/conservatives have no better grounds on which to oppose Obama than some silly conspiracy theory.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:16:06pm |
re: #38 Lincolntf
She may have Republicans on her side, wouldn’t surprise me a bit if a few went over to the D-side. There are (almost) always a few.
I don’t want to say who it may be, for for example, but his initials are John McCain
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latingent Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:16:09pm |
Two useless idiots talking about a dead issue. I wonder how Chrissies leg is after all that tingling.
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avanti Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:16:09pm |
re: #41 tokyobk
What do these people say about the Newspaper birth announcement?
What do moon landing conspiracists say about the recent hubble photos that show traces of the event?
Fake, fake, and fake. /s
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albusteve Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:16:18pm |
re: #29 Killgore Trout
Also see: Liz Cheney Defends Birthers On Larry King (VIDEO)
I’d have a lot more respect for the GOP if the leadership would speak out against this nonsense. Republicans desperately need to get rid of the nuts. Nobody seems interested in doing it. The base is busy purging the RINOs and moderates.
BO is his own birth cert…he got elected…I’m not a cert denier but I think you overestimate the damage these people will do…just an observation
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pingjockey Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:16:23pm |
re: #37 reine.de.tout
I have no fucking idea and wish I did.
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Sharmuta Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:16:51pm |
re: #43 pingjockey
Hey Sharm could you give me a definition of astroturfing? Please. That little term seems to have passed me by!
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
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avanti Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:17:01pm |
re: #51 Walter L. Newton
I don’t want to say who it may be, for for example, but his initials are John McCain
Walter, McCain is strongly in opposition so far.
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Targetpractice Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:17:07pm |
re: #46 Lincolntf
As I understand it, it’s the 50 or so B-D’s in the House that are preventing the steamroller from reaching the Senate.
Like I said, if Nancy had the votes, she wouldn’t wait for the translation, she’d hold the vote now. She’s bluffing.
| 60 |
Eyes of Blue Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:17:53pm |
re: #18 Shug
bullshit: I want to see the TOTUS’s certificate, date and location of manufacture.
and I want it NOWsomething tells me that thing was made in CHINA or JAPAN!
I thought it broke once already. That means it was made in China.
| 61 |
kpom Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:17:54pm |
Hah! You think it was easy for the Obamabots to plant a birth announcement in the Honolulu paper when The One was really being born in Indonesia, Kenya, or wherever he was born! Even then, they knew that He would become all-powerful!!!
BWWWAAAHAHA!!! You have no idea how powerful we are, Earthlings!
| 62 |
The Shadow Do Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:17:54pm |
re: #48 Sharmuta
I doubt the existence of rational GOP leadership at this time.
I find Palin rational, however she has the misfortune of being a woman and stupid…
/
| 63 |
Lincolntf Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:18:02pm |
re: #44 Shug
The Dems flogged the “National Guard documents” forever and it never came to be identified with the Party as a whole. Obviously, the Repubs don’t get that kind of a free pass, but I’d still guess that 90% of voters don’t know/care about the Birth Cert. thing either way.
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albusteve Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:18:11pm |
re: #39 Walter L. Newton
And looking at all the issues, and all the idiots in Washington, bottom line is you can’t trust any of them.
exactly…who knows what is politically damaging and what is not…since 08 I sure don’t presume to know, and I wonder how anybody else can…it’s all blather imo
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notamolly Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:18:24pm |
re: #21 Lincolntf
Oh crap. Now Nancy Piehole is claiming that she “has the votes” to make the Health Care Disaster a reality. I really hope Obama isn’t gonna walk on stage tonight and announce that the bill has enough votes to pass.
The Mengele Care Bill? I think making anyone over 55 justify their existence to some scumbag bureaucrat and an amnio then mandatory abortions should scare the shit out of any thinking human.
| 67 |
iLikeCandy Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:18:26pm |
re: #29 Killgore Trout
Also see: Liz Cheney Defends Birthers On Larry King (VIDEO)
I’d have a lot more respect for the GOP if the leadership would speak out against this nonsense. Republicans desperately need to get rid of the nuts. Nobody seems interested in doing it. The base is busy purging the RINOs and moderates.
I read the article. The title is bullshit. She did no such thing.
| 68 |
avanti Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:18:44pm |
re: #58 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Like I said, if Nancy had the votes, she wouldn’t wait for the translation, she’d hold the vote now. She’s bluffing.
The house wants the Senate to act first, after the bills are reconciled.
| 69 |
Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:19:12pm |
re: #57 avanti
Walter, McCain is strongly in opposition so far.
It was a joke (why do I have to explain it to you?)
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Targetpractice Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:19:38pm |
re: #68 avanti
The house wants the Senate to act first, after the bills are reconciled.
Hot potato! HOT POTATO!
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Dad O' Blondes Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:19:51pm |
Well, I guess I’ll just have to be a “Dumb-publican” for the next few years until the fools go awy.
Ronald Reagan, where are you?
.
| 74 |
avanti Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:19:57pm |
re: #69 Walter L. Newton
It was a joke (why do I have to explain it to you?)
Because I love your thoughtful prose.
| 75 |
Yashmak Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:20:20pm |
re: #7 iLikeCandy
That’s what I’d do if I were him… I’d wait until it came to my desk for veto, and slap it down on top of the bill. I might even ask, in a sarcastic tone, “Don’t you guys have the internet? It’s been posted there, complete with close-up photos of the impression stamps, for months.”
| 77 |
tokyobk Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:21:56pm |
re: #53 avanti
I mean that is just nuts. I think politicians hide embarrassing things all the time and hide their true intentions and ambitions and certainly cover up past blemishes or things that would be perceived as blemishes. And they certainly let all the little facts of their lives add up to the inevitability of their ascendance.
I just read a profile of a politician with whom I was friends long ago and it is filled with all sorts of overarching life story narrative — from log cabin to great heights stuff— that sorta loosely kinda fits the actual kid I used to know.
Maybe one of the documents that are not released have “Muslim” as his religion or at the time misidentified him as being Kenyan or Indonesian, but for God’s sake, do people think he got into a time machine and had a newspaper birth announcement printed in a Hawaiian newspaper.
Nuts.
Really, a pox on both houses is all I can think these days because the republican party is pandering to nutty fringes.
| 78 |
placeholder Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:21:58pm |
I can’t help but wonder what exactly these guys hope to achieve… Does Alan Keyes really think he will be successful unseating a legitimately elected president of the United States through this completely irrelevant bs? Is this really useful? Unreal…
How about just voting him out like the system was set up to work…
My pet peeve is how everyone in the nutball league always DEMANDS something. We DEMAND the birth certificate! we DEMAND the university records…we DEMAND to be taken seriously.
They all seem to miss the point that just because you demand something, doesn’t mean anyone has to listen. I demand not to have anything demanded of me. I couldn’t give less of a shit about what someone is “demanding…”
-PH
| 79 |
Buster Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:22:51pm |
With so many good and true arguments on their side with regard to Health care, the economy, energy independence, etc.; why must the GOP sidetrack itself with nirthers and creationists? The MSM loves this! They will cover this circus all day and the the GOP’s credibility on any and all serious topics will be tarnished… As if their free spending years in the majority didn’t do it already!
| 80 |
nordink Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:23:17pm |
I’ve heard Congressman Campbell on the radio, and he seemed both affable and — yes — intelligent.
However, in this interview … yikes. I believe the technical term is: *pwned.*
Sad.
| 81 |
placeholder Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:23:23pm |
re: #53 avanti
Fake, fake, and fake. /s
The only way they will be convinced is if we send them to the moon to see it for themselves.
| 82 |
windhorse Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:24:37pm |
how creative and forward thinking the GOP appears…
/
| 83 |
flutesnoot Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:24:52pm |
Uh, aren’t there bureaucrats in some department in your government that makes sure or demands proof that anyone running for president was born in the USA?
| 84 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:25:14pm |
(facepalm)
They’ve
Lost
Their
Fucking
Minds
| 85 |
albusteve Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:25:43pm |
re: #29 Killgore Trout
Also see: Liz Cheney Defends Birthers On Larry King (VIDEO)
I’d have a lot more respect for the GOP if the leadership would speak out against this nonsense. Republicans desperately need to get rid of the nuts. Nobody seems interested in doing it. The base is busy purging the RINOs and moderates.
bullshit Killgore…and you know it…you are better than that
| 86 |
Randall Gross Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:25:44pm |
We get back power in this environment only if the US public sees us as adult. These fucking loons are making that impossible.
| 87 |
Charles Johnson Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:26:18pm |
re: #67 iLikeCandy
I read the article. The title is bullshit. She did no such thing.
Looked like it to me.
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avanti Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:26:50pm |
re: #81 placeholder
The only way they will be convinced is if we send them to the moon to see it for themselves.
Nope, they’d claim we drugged and hypnotized them.
| 89 |
HoosierHoops Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:26:58pm |
re: #83 flutesnoot
Uh, aren’t there bureaucrats in some department in your government that makes sure or demands proof that anyone running for president was born in the USA?
Yea, we got em.. They were all on leave that week…When you work for the Gov’t there is always that use or lose issue…
/
What part of the world do you hail from lizard?
| 90 |
Eyes of Blue Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:27:00pm |
Hmmm. My husband just showed me something he just received in the mail.A chance to win a pre-paid cremation. Yes, you read that right. My husband said, “That will be the thing I win. ” I said, Are they going to wait for you to be dead? This is california you know.”
| 91 |
albusteve Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:27:25pm |
re: #87 Charles
Looked like it to me.
she was trying to explain their frustration, hardly an endorsement…that’s knee jerk right there
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itellu3times Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:27:34pm |
We don’t need no stinkin’ nirth cirtifikats.
There are no illegal aliens, there are no unborn presidents.
| 93 |
Charles Johnson Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:27:36pm |
re: #85 albusteve
bullshit Killgore…and you know it…you are better than that
I don’t think it’s “bullshit” at all. Liz Cheney weaseled around and refused to outright denounce the crazies. She was very clearly pandering to the wacko wing.
| 94 |
tokyobk Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:27:44pm |
I felt bad for the republican because he didn’t even know the standard retort, that it is a record of live birth. I think these people are nuts and even i know that.
| 95 |
Yashmak Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:27:56pm |
I don’t really think Alan Keyes and the like CARE what effect their nonsense has on conservatives. As long as he can whip up followers, he can remain relevant, sell books, go on the the talk show circuit.
Like Michael Moore is a leech on the backside of the liberals, these folks are leeches on the conservative portion of our society.
| 96 |
Erik The Red Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:28:21pm |
re: #69 Walter L. Newton
It was a joke (why do I have to explain it to you?)
Why are you still engaging with him Walter. Btw how was your Lost meeting?
| 97 |
Lincolntf Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:29:08pm |
re: #67 iLikeCandy
Yeah, but there is a link with blue letters and everything, so it has to be the truth!
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hous bin pharteen Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:29:23pm |
re: #21 Lincolntf
Like the health care ideas worked so well all over the world. We should try it here!
Q: Not being rich, but having the hospital emergency helo take me to the emergency room, how long do I have to wait for the next helo ride? One week? A month? Or are they going to be taken away for not having enough insurance coverage?
| 99 |
Randall Gross Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:31:10pm |
re: #91 albusteve
she was trying to explain their frustration, hardly an endorsement…that’s knee jerk right there
If an islamist in CAIR were saying something like this “however” statement of Liz Cheney’s you’d be all over it like flies on shit. Why do you accept the fence-sitting “cake and eat it too” stance here? Nirthers are fucking loons who are sapping from our electorate and they need to be smacked down unequivocally whenever and wherever they stick their slimey heads up.
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dwells38 Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:31:34pm |
re: #78 placeholder
I can’t help but wonder what exactly these guys hope to achieve… Does Alan Keyes really think he will be successful unseating a legitimately elected president of the United States through this completely irrelevant bs? Is this really useful? Unreal…
How about just voting him out like the system was set up to work…
With Keyes I’m thinking this must be personal. Because he’s too smart to actually think this is a winner of a cause.
He ran against Obama for the Illinois senate in ‘04. I’m guessing some nasty politics were used and Alan’s in vendetta mode.
A quick Google on Keyes and Obama shows several articles quoting Keyes as saying in no uncertain terms that Obama will destroy the U.S. So obviously he wants Obama out pronto even if it’s purely on a technicality.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:31:46pm |
re: #96 Erik The Red
Why are you still engaging with him Walter. Btw how was your Lost meeting?
What LOST meeting? This morning I mentioned that this years Comic-Con will be this coming weekend, and LOST we be having a number of symposiums with the producers and a few of the actors. I also mention that I would pass on any non-spoiler information about season six when I get it. But I’m not attending, just offering to pass on info here on LGF when I get it.
Stay tuned.
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Erik The Red Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:33:17pm |
re: #101 Walter L. Newton
What LOST meeting? This morning I mentioned that this years Comic-Con will be this coming weekend, and LOST we be having a number of symposiums with the producers and a few of the actors. I also mention that I would pass on any non-spoiler information about season six when I get it. But I’m not attending, just offering to pass on info here on LGF when I get it.
Stay tuned.
Shit was that only this am? Damn sleep deprivation.
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pianobuff Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:33:42pm |
re: #29 Killgore Trout
Also see: Liz Cheney Defends Birthers On Larry King (VIDEO)
I’d have a lot more respect for the GOP if the leadership would speak out against this nonsense. Republicans desperately need to get rid of the nuts. Nobody seems interested in doing it. The base is busy purging the RINOs and moderates.
So now Liz Cheney is a nirther too? Oh crap.
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keithgabryelski Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:34:01pm |
re: #41 tokyobk
What do moon landing conspiracists say about the recent hubble photos that show traces of the event?
Hubble can’t see the traces of the moon landing: [Link: science.nasa.gov…]
It was a probe that took those pictures: [Link: www.newscientist.com…]
btw, the math on what is needed to see these objects from a given distance is interesting (i typed this for another discussion):
Here is an explanation of blurring and the formula for how large a lens has to be to see something on moon from earth
Physics 10: Physics for Future Presidents
He goes over time dilation (as well as a host of other concepts) — and for those that actually care, he actually works out Einstein’s equations on the board in one of the later classes)
but here is the math
Blurring:
B = (L/D)R
B = size of thing you want to see (in meters)
L = wavelength of light (in meters) .0000005
D = diameter of lens (in meters)
R = distance away (in meters)
so, let’s say you have a lens that is 1kilometer in diameter (much larger than anything we have right now)
distance of moon
R = 384403000 (meters)
size of lens
D = 1000
B = (.0000005/1000) * 384403000
Blurring = 0.1922015
With a lens of diameter 1 kilometer you can see something on the surface of the moon that is over 1/5th of a meter (a little over 1/2 a foot) in size
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albusteve Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:34:10pm |
re: #93 Charles
I don’t think it’s “bullshit” at all. Liz Cheney weaseled around and refused to outright denounce the crazies. She was very clearly pandering to the wacko wing.
well I wish she had…and if she is pandering it’s for good reason..these are the very people that will vote out democrats next year…if they are troofers so be it…I still don’t know how much they will hurt the GOP, just like the creationists…it boils down to who you associate with vrs their voting value…I don’t like any of it…I just ask the questions…can you preserve the GOP and still defeat the donks?
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Lincolntf Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:34:12pm |
re: #99 Thanos
I really doubt that. Also, when people oppose “Islamists from CAIR”, it’s because they fund and arm people who murder Americans.
Even if Cheney was “defending” Birth Certificate nuts, all they want is a piece of paper. There is no comparison.
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pingjockey Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:34:47pm |
re: #76 Sharmuta
Yepper. Don’t know how I missed that one?!
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:35:39pm |
re: #85 albusteve
“Outrage! Lies! Slander!”
/Yeah, I know the routine
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formercorpsman Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:35:39pm |
What a great time to take the spotlight off of the biggest spending bill in history.
Banging my head against the wall.
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calcajun Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:36:10pm |
re: #84 SasquatchOnSteroids
(facepalm)
They’ve
Lost
Their
Fucking
Minds
No.
They
Don’t
Know
What
They’re
Talking
About
Ignorance is really not bliss.
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iLikeCandy Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:36:57pm |
re: #93 Charles
I don’t think it’s “bullshit” at all. Liz Cheney weaseled around and refused to outright denounce the crazies. She was very clearly pandering to the wacko wing.
Please, a moment of sobriety. Liz clearly had no desire to even address this bullshit and she kept trying to steer the conversation to the real issues. She wouldn’t condescend to touch the birthers. It would be like asking Julia Child to endorse a non-dairy whipped topping.
That conservatives would attack Liz Cheney, one of the most hard-headed, clear-eyed, and articulate spokespersons of conservative causes over the nirth certifikat issue, has handed a measure of success to the forces of idiocy.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:36:59pm |
re: #105 albusteve
well I wish she had…and if she is pandering it’s for good reason..these are the very people that will vote out democrats next year…if they are troofers so be it…I still don’t know how much they will hurt the GOP, just like the creationists…it boils down to who you associate with vrs their voting value…I don’t like any of it…I just ask the questions…can you preserve the GOP and still defeat the donks?
Settle down Steve. You are seething and raging. And while you are at it, stop squabbling.
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iLikeCandy Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:37:22pm |
re: #103 pianobuff
So now Liz Cheney is a nirther too? Oh crap.
NO! Read the article. The title is bullshit.
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albusteve Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:37:34pm |
re: #99 Thanos
If an islamist in CAIR were saying something like this “however” statement of Liz Cheney’s you’d be all over it like flies on shit. Why do you accept the fence-sitting “cake and eat it too” stance here? Nirthers are fucking loons who are sapping from our electorate and they need to be smacked down unequivocally whenever and wherever they stick their slimey heads up.
I know they are loons, but they are valuable loons as voters…if the GOP rejects all the fringe lunatics they will never win another election…there are not enough Goldwater conservatives to carry the day…I’m just asking where yo draw the line…nobody is more disgusted with the GOP than me…I’m looking to win back the House
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Erik The Red Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:37:37pm |
re: #111 HoosierHoops
Sweet post!
It sure was. I did not understand one damn thing but it sure sounded great :)
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iLikeCandy Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:38:44pm |
re: #97 Lincolntf
Yeah, but there is a link with blue letters and everything, so it has to be the truth!
Heehee! Bloo letterz!
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albusteve Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:38:58pm |
re: #109 Killgore Trout
“Outrage! Lies! Slander!”
/Yeah, I know the routine
I don’t see her as endorsing the troofers…others do
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itellu3times Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:39:24pm |
re: #104 keithgabryelski
With a lens of diameter 1 kilometer you can see something on the surface of the moon that is over 1/5th of a meter (a little over 1/2 a foot) in size
Optical interferometry, two one-meter mirrors a kilometer apart, should do it!
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Randall Gross Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:39:28pm |
re: #105 albusteve
well I wish she had…and if she is pandering it’s for good reason..these are the very people that will vote out democrats next year…if they are troofers so be it…I still don’t know how much they will hurt the GOP, just like the creationists…it boils down to who you associate with vrs their voting value…I don’t like any of it…I just ask the questions…can you preserve the GOP and still defeat the donks?
These are mostly rural people who are locked in and will vote R regardless. They don’t need to be pandered to with rancid fake food substance that they are told is red meat when there’s real red meat out there. They need the truth, and part of the truth is that we must win back suburban and urban voters. Nirthing at the mouth isn’t going to get those votes back, it’s going to ensure we lose next election, and stay in the minority in congress.
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Ojoe Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:39:48pm |
The Republicans are shooting themselves in the foot.
The Democrats are pandering also.
Dump them both.
Time for a new party, and here’s one to look at: centrist & historic & new at the same time…
I joined.
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Randall Gross Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:40:37pm |
re: #116 albusteve
I know they are loons, but they are valuable loons as voters…if the GOP rejects all the fringe lunatics they will never win another election…there are not enough Goldwater conservatives to carry the day…I’m just asking where yo draw the line…nobody is more disgusted with the GOP than me…I’m looking to win back the House
Wrong. As long as the media can put them forward as “Republicans” we lose the very votes we need to regain the majority. If you want to stay irrelevant, keep thinking this way.
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Sharmuta Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:40:39pm |
re: #116 albusteve
I know they are loons, but they are valuable loons as voters…if the GOP rejects all the fringe lunatics they will never win another election…there are not enough Goldwater conservatives to carry the day…I’m just asking where yo draw the line…nobody is more disgusted with the GOP than me…I’m looking to win back the House
NONSENSE! For every fringe loon we try to keep we push away more than one moderate/independent. The fringe is a minority by definition. They hurt us.
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steve Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:40:50pm |
OT I know but I just got spammed by the white house.
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pianobuff Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:41:14pm |
re: #115 iLikeCandy
NO! Read the article. The title is bullshit.
OK. I read the article. My heart kind of sunk for a minute because I thought she was coming out pro-nirth. I see it’s just a classic deflection like any politician does when they want to move from a position when they are on the defensive to one of offense.
Whether she should denounce nirthers is another question, but she’s clearly not advocating a pro-nirth position in this article.
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Targetpractice Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:41:41pm |
re: #116 albusteve
I know they are loons, but they are valuable loons as voters…if the GOP rejects all the fringe lunatics they will never win another election…there are not enough Goldwater conservatives to carry the day…I’m just asking where yo draw the line…nobody is more disgusted with the GOP than me…I’m looking to win back the House
Except there’s not enough loonies to make up for all the moderate voters we’re going to lose in the process. The base isn’t going anywhere, but the moderates are not willing to rub shoulders with people who think the Earth was formed 6,000 years ago or that Obama’s hiding his real birth certificate.
This “You gotta take support where you can get it” policy is not the future of the party, it’s the means to insure another 30 year Dem majority.
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BatGuano Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:42:12pm |
re: #122 Ojoe
/If I joined would I actually have to were a whig?
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formercorpsman Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:42:17pm |
re: #121 Thanos
I’m with you. Furiously ridiculous issue to waste any time on. It provides nothing of substance, it certainly does not enhance any type of leadership quality for the party, and diverts energy from real issues that do affect me.
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Lincolntf Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:42:58pm |
re: #125 steve
Amazing how he can summarixe a 1,000 page document (major parts of which he claims to have never read) in a few paragraphs.
He really is a genius!
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iLikeCandy Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:42:59pm |
re: #126 pianobuff
OK. I read the article. My heart kind of sunk for a minute because I thought she was coming out pro-nirth. I see it’s just a classic deflection like any politician does when they want to move from a position when they are on the defensive to one of offense.
Whether she should denounce nirthers is another question, but she’s clearly not advocating a pro-nirth position in this article.
Thank you. My reading of her comments is that — well, it’s here: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
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keithgabryelski Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:43:09pm |
re: #120 itellu3times
Optical interferometry, two one-meter mirrors a kilometer apart, should do it!
I’m not sure of all the requirements for doing that (although I am aware of the subject).
My post neglects to mention there is atmospheric disturbances that decrease the effectiveness of any ground base telescope.
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HoosierHoops Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:43:22pm |
re: #116 albusteve
I know they are loons, but they are valuable loons as voters…if the GOP rejects all the fringe lunatics they will never win another election…there are not enough Goldwater conservatives to carry the day…I’m just asking where yo draw the line…nobody is more disgusted with the GOP than me…I’m looking to win back the House
Steve…no fringe element has ever won an American Election…The moderates and indy’s always carry the day…
remember Clinton and the soccer moms? Nixon and the Silent Majority?
The moderates have far more influence in elections than any fringe element…
Obama won over the moderates last year…My Dad voted for Obama..
If he loses the center he loses the next election..
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Randall Gross Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:43:25pm |
Republicans are headed to becoming the pup-tent party on the crazy farm.
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albusteve Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:43:45pm |
re: #121 Thanos
These are mostly rural people who are locked in and will vote R regardless. They don’t need to be pandered to with rancid fake food substance that they are told is red meat when there’s real red meat out there. They need the truth, and part of the truth is that we must win back suburban and urban voters. Nirthing at the mouth isn’t going to get those votes back, it’s going to ensure we lose next election, and stay in the minority in congress.
I love that one…anyway what do I care for?…I’m skating to Jamaica…actually I hope you are right but I do not see common sense rescuing the GOP any time soon…in the meantime the lunatics will rule the party
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steve Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:43:50pm |
re: #130 Lincolntf
Amazing how he can summarixe a 1,000 page document (major parts of which he claims to have never read) in a few paragraphs.
He really is a genius!
Yeah, a genius in his own mind.
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Lincolntf Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:44:00pm |
re: #133 HoosierHoops
“Steve…no fringe element has ever won an American Election..”
Tell it to Acorn.
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Ojoe Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:44:16pm |
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placeholder Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:44:48pm |
re: #95 Yashmak
I don’t really think Alan Keyes and the like CARE what effect their nonsense has on conservatives. As long as he can whip up followers, he can remain relevant, sell books, go on the the talk show circuit.
Like Michael Moore is a leech on the backside of the liberals, these folks are leeches on the conservative portion of our society.
You don’t see MM interviewed on mainstream tv as a “political” figure very often. Not so for Keyes, or this schmuck in the video above. Big difference… for some reason, folks even remotely associated with the “right” or conservative movement - or who self-identify that way, are often given legitimacy as spokesmen.
Wackjobs further exacerbate this by claiming they are being attacked by the “left” because of their beliefs - the implication being that by default they are on the “right.” Instead of strongly and forcefully shoving them back into the middle of homeless crackpots, we - for reasons that are completely lost to me - instead treat them like basement children, there to be humored and then shushed. Because who knows - they can be helpful down the road.
The reality is they can’t be. They aren’t helpful. They are harmful. We don’t need nirthirs, or creationists, or any other idiot in this party to be competitive. When will we find are effin nuts already??
-PH
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Randall Gross Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:45:12pm |
re: #135 albusteve
I love that one…anyway what do I care for?…I’m skating to Jamaica…actually I hope you are right but I do not see common sense rescuing the GOP any time soon…in the meantime the lunatics will rule the party
If they’re still running the party after 2010, then I’m out after a lifetime of voting solid R. It’s that serious.
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JacksonTn Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:45:31pm |
re: #121 Thanos
These are mostly rural people who are locked in and will vote R regardless. They don’t need to be pandered to with rancid fake food substance that they are told is red meat when there’s real red meat out there. They need the truth, and part of the truth is that we must win back suburban and urban voters. Nirthing at the mouth isn’t going to get those votes back, it’s going to ensure we lose next election, and stay in the minority in congress.
Thanos … I doubt the majority of people who filed lawsuits and/or originally pushed this issue were rural voters … there are many rural voters who vote republican but I don’t think you can say that they are more likely to believe this any more than a person living in the city … tinfoil issues strike all areas …
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Flyers1974 Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:46:00pm |
re: #116 albusteve
I know they are loons, but they are valuable loons as voters…if the GOP rejects all the fringe lunatics they will never win another election…there are not enough Goldwater conservatives to carry the day…I’m just asking where yo draw the line…nobody is more disgusted with the GOP than me…I’m looking to win back the House
Pretty good analysis. Unless they are rejected and vote GOP anyway for lack of anywhere else to go, as someone said the other day here.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:46:12pm |
re: #124 Sharmuta
NONSENSE! For every fringe loon we try to keep we push away more than one moderate/independent. The fringe is a minority by definition. They hurt us.
I have a question. What would you do if these nirthers actually prove their point? Prove it with no wiggle room for any other conclusion. Just play what if with me. What would you do?
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lefort3 Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:46:24pm |
It may be just me but geez, aren’t there more pressing issues with the sitting president and our pathetic congress? Call me crazy but…
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Randall Gross Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:46:33pm |
re: #141 JacksonTn
Thanos … I doubt the majority of people who filed lawsuits and/or originally pushed this issue were rural voters … there are many rural voters who vote republican but I don’t think you can say that they are more likely to believe this any more than a person living in the city … tinfoil issues strike all areas …
Umm. Look at the Red blue map by county and then get back to me.
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Noam Sayin' Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:46:38pm |
What if the Middle stayed home on election night?
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Cheechako Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:46:46pm |
What’s the betting line on whether or not any MSM asks Obama if he’s read the entire health care bill?
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placeholder Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:46:46pm |
re: #105 albusteve
well I wish she had…and if she is pandering it’s for good reason..these are the very people that will vote out democrats next year…if they are troofers so be it…I still don’t know how much they will hurt the GOP, just like the creationists…it boils down to who you associate with vrs their voting value…I don’t like any of it…I just ask the questions…can you preserve the GOP and still defeat the donks?
the enemy of my enemy is my friend eh? not a good political theory long term - because you can only swim in shit for so long without stinking of it.
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JacksonTn Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:47:33pm |
re: #145 Thanos
Umm. Look at the Red blue map by county and then get back to me.
Thanos … I am not talking about republican voters … I am addressing you saying that it is mostly rural people who believe the nirthers … I do not believe that is true …
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The Shadow Do Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:47:42pm |
re: #122 Ojoe
The Republicans are shooting themselves in the foot.
The Democrats are pandering also.
Dump them both.
Time for a new party, and here’s one to look at: centrist & historic & new at the same time…
I joined.
Site of National convention: corner booth at Denny’s
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el_raton Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:47:45pm |
It’s obvious that the media’s juxtaposition of nirthers and critics of BHO’s health care plan (for example) is meant to draw an equivalency between the two groups or, at the very least, between the validity of the two arguments.
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HoosierHoops Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:48:00pm |
re: #137 Lincolntf
“Steve…no fringe element has ever won an American Election..”
Tell it to Acorn.
You understand what I am saying though right? The middle holds sway over elections generally…/ACORN.Shit… There will probably be ACORN Moms next election…*wink*
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Ojoe Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:48:42pm |
re: #150 The Shadow Do
If the Denny’s type voters got together they would be a big group.
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Randall Gross Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:49:01pm |
re: #149 JacksonTn
Thanos … I am not talking about republican voters … I am addressing you saying that it is mostly rural people who believe the nirthers … I do not believe that is true …
From my anecdotal evidence it is true. I saw it in Alaska, Missouri, and West Kansas in just my recent travels.
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formercorpsman Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:49:33pm |
re: #151 el_raton
I have no doubts at all, this could be played that way.
My bigger problem is we have nobody in the party stepping up, and taking the lead to direct the attention to more serious matters.
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iLikeCandy Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:49:33pm |
re: #144 lefort3
It may be just me but geez, aren’t there more pressing issues with the sitting president and our pathetic congress? Call me crazy but…
I typed, then deleted, a post to that effect. I’d rather not give these sillies any publicity or stoop to answer them. Let them duke it out with the nuts on the other side who think George Bush crashed the planes into the Twin Towers. But then it’s not my blog. I jumped in on the discussion because I thought I had a little nugget to contribute, but I’ll be jumping out about now.
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Lincolntf Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:50:26pm |
re: #143 Walter L. Newton
That would be hilarious.
I have always assumed he was born in Hawaii, and it’s dumb for people to waste time on this issue, but if that ever really happened I would laugh for days.
I assume the Congress/SC would manage to whip together some “extra-Constitutional” measure to make sure he stayed in Office until his term was up. I don’t know how they’d do it, of course, but I think they would find a way.
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avanti Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:50:35pm |
re: #113 iLikeCandy
Please, a moment of sobriety. Liz clearly had no desire to even address this bullshit and she kept trying to steer the conversation to the real issues. She wouldn’t condescend to touch the birthers. It would be like asking Julia Child to endorse a non-dairy whipped topping.
That conservatives would attack Liz Cheney, one of the most hard-headed, clear-eyed, and articulate spokespersons of conservative causes over the nirth certifikat issue, has handed a measure of success to the forces of idiocy.
I agree she did not endorse the nirthers, she just ignored the issue purposely, and missed the chance to clear the air with her opinion. IMHO, she remained silent so as to not offend the loons. BTW, not a uncommon tactic on either side, but she still evaded speaking out, and some will take that as a tacit endorsement.
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The Shadow Do Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:50:49pm |
re: #153 Ojoe
If the Denny’s type voters got together they would be a big group.
I really like the Grand Slam breakfast. Scrambled please.
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iLikeCandy Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:50:52pm |
re: #155 formercorpsman
I have no doubts at all, this could be played that way.
My bigger problem is we have nobody in the party stepping up, and taking the lead to direct the attention to more serious matters.
That’s exactly what Liz Cheney was trying to do.
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JacksonTn Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:51:30pm |
re: #154 Thanos
From my anecdotal evidence it is true. I saw it in Alaska, Missouri, and West Kansas in just my recent travels.
Thanos … I travel also and live in rural area most of the time … I have heard it but not in any any way the majority … look who were the people who originally pushed this … they were not rural voters …
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albusteve Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:51:33pm |
re: #124 Sharmuta
NONSENSE! For every fringe loon we try to keep we push away more than one moderate/independent. The fringe is a minority by definition. They hurt us.
yes but they seem unstoppable…it’s one damned issue after another…what is the GOP doing to win middle voters…I asked months ago, where is Steele? and why is he not speaking out?…if the GOP does not need me then the feeling is mutual and they are running out of time…
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pingjockey Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:51:51pm |
re: #143 Walter L. Newton
Holy Shit! Can you say big fucking mess!? What would happen to all the bills he signed, treaties, etc…? One helluva scenario ain’t it?!
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itellu3times Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:52:08pm |
re: #132 keithgabryelski
I’m not sure of all the requirements for doing that (although I am aware of the subject).
My post neglects to mention there is atmospheric disturbances that decrease the effectiveness of any ground base telescope.
Actually, while there are a number of major projects going on, optical interferometry is still beyond the state of the art. But there are plans (dreams!) of setting up two satellites many kilometers apart, and making one image out of their small mirrors! Let you read the newspaper headlines on Neptune.
Active optics with laser guides help with that atmospheric disturbance, assuming weather is good and you’re above 8,000 feet or so anyway, like pretty much all new ground-based observatories.
Modern astronomy is amazing, even with what you can do with homebrew stuff for about $10,000. If they ever do get the OI stuff going, watch out!
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Ojoe Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:52:18pm |
re: #159 The Shadow Do
Mmmm short stack for me with maple (?) syrup.
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formercorpsman Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:52:30pm |
re: #160 iLikeCandy
Fair enough, I did not click the link to that story. My thrust was directed at the representative noted in the post, and that no other elected official is taking the ball.
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iLikeCandy Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:52:55pm |
re: #158 avanti
I agree she did not endorse the nirthers, she just ignored the issue purposely, and missed the chance to clear the air with her opinion. IMHO, she remained silent so as to not offend the loons. BTW, not a uncommon tactic on either side, but she still evaded speaking out, and some will take that as a tacit endorsement.
Well, we’ll have to disagree on this one. I think “ignoring” and “missing” and “remaining silent” on the birthers is exactly the right thing to do. Even acknowledging them is lending them more substance than they deserve.
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HoosierHoops Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:53:09pm |
re: #153 Ojoe
If the Denny’s type voters got together they would be a big group.
If you had any idea how many nights we hung out at the Denny’s in Napa growing up..Thousands of Cup of coffees and millions of laughs..Every Black Friday we go to the Denny’s here with friends at 4am before shopping…
I have fond memories of Denny’s
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steve Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:54:27pm |
re: #143 Walter L. Newton
I have a question. What would you do if these nirthers actually prove their point? Prove it with no wiggle room for any other conclusion. Just play what if with me. What would you do?
Walter, played that ‘what if’ game with some close friends of mine. The main consensus was that nothing would happen. Congress and the Supreme Court would not do anything in fear of more problems with the main one being ‘who’ would then be president.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:54:53pm |
re: #163 pingjockey
Holy Shit! Can you say big fucking mess!? What would happen to all the bills he signed, treaties, etc…? One helluva scenario ain’t it?!
I’m not even suggesting it could happen. But, the only reason I bring it up is because I’m not really keeping up with either side of the issue, even though it has been a repeated subject discussed here. My contribution to the whole thing has been very small.
So, I don’t know better, I really don’t (and I don’t care to, for what ever reason, it feels like a waste of my time).
Since I don’t know better, that also leaves me open to ask the question “what if it turns out to be true.”
Makes you wonder.
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Ojoe Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:54:58pm |
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Randall Gross Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:55:09pm |
re: #161 JacksonTn
Thanos … I travel also and live in rural area most of the time … I have heard it but not in any any way the majority … look who were the people who originally pushed this … they were not rural voters …
Nobody said it was a majority — that’s what’s so damned frustrating about all this. Here you have two R’s in office catering to a small coterie of crazies.
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realwest Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:56:10pm |
re: #147 Cheechako
What’s the betting that TONIGHT - if he answers any questions, someone will ask him , if this bill is SO GOOD, why aren’t the President and the Members of Congress obliged to be on it?And what are the odds that he won’t answer that question again?
What are the odds of anyone asking him if it’s true that the elderly may not get cancer care or will have to attend “counseling” about end of life issues, including killing themselves?
What are the odds of anyone asking him why there are so many placecards in the Cap and Trade Bill and having him answer it? What are the odds of anyone asking him why Nucleur Energy isn’t FRONT AND CENTER in our quest to do away with fossil fuels?
Oh, sorry for the OT here, we now return you to your regularly scheduled programming about Birthers.
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SixDegrees Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:56:11pm |
re: #15 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
How exactly do they think this is going to help them? They’re going to end up losing more people to this insanity than they would have by telling the nirther’s to take a hike. There are other ways to attack Obama than to sign on to this lunacy.
It’s not about 0bama - it’s about them. The nirthers are garden-variety conspiracy theorists, all of whom share a trait in common: they latch onto their theory because it draw attention to them, and they desperately crave that attention. That’s the main reason the conspiracy keeps expanding indefinitely - as each incarnation of it is proven ridiculous, the scope is widened to “explain” the inconvenient truth and keep the conspiracy going. Because accepting a rational explanation for it would diminish the theorist’s importance, as there would be no reason for anyone to pay attention to them anymore.
The fact that the attention they get is almost entirely negative doesn’t matter; it’s still attention. You’ll notice that they actively seek out confrontation - when things start to die down, they’re the ones constantly making a scene, grabbing a microphone or assaulting a television camera.
In short, it’s a mental illness, a personality disorder that can range from moderate to severe, and that is probably treatable with a huge heap of therapy. Unless therapists are part of the conspiracy, and not surprisingly they are often incorporated into the web of imagined deceit and subterfuge created by the theorists to explain away anyone or anything that threatens to take their crutch away.
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Erik The Red Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:56:20pm |
44 is on in a few moments. Is anyone going to watch? I will be good for about 10 minutes before my head starts to ache.
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avanti Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:56:43pm |
re: #167 iLikeCandy
Well, we’ll have to disagree on this one. I think “ignoring” and “missing” and “remaining silent” on the birthers is exactly the right thing to do. Even acknowledging them is lending them more substance than they deserve.
She could have simply said: “Obama is clearly a citizen of the US, but and we have real issues that need to be dealt with, and his citizenship is not one of them.”
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placeholder Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:56:46pm |
re: #124 Sharmuta
NONSENSE! For every fringe loon we try to keep we push away more than one moderate/independent. The fringe is a minority by definition. They hurt us.
totally agreed. these guys were never going to vote for obama…ever. just like ultra left KOS voters will never ever vote against him - it contradicts the core essence of how they see themselves. why pander to them? where will they go exactly??
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albusteve Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:57:10pm |
so worst case scenario…the GOP wins back the govt on the backs of lunatic voters…if they are no threat or a small minority what’s the problem?…if they are a major influence and win back govt then again what’s the problem and why are we even talking about this…how influential are the lunatics?…are they driving away more voters than they are in their own numbers?…I don’t think anyone knows
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avanti Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:57:26pm |
re: #175 Erik The Red
44 is on in a few moments. Is anyone going to watch? I will be good for about 10 minutes before my head starts to ache.
Drinking game ? I have beer.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:57:36pm |
re: #176 avanti
She could have simply said: “Obama is clearly a citizen of the US, but and we have real issues that need to be dealt with, and his citizenship is not one of them.”
I’ll ask you this question too…
What would you do if these nirthers actually prove their point? Prove it with no wiggle room for any other conclusion. Just play what if with me. What would you do?
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Lincolntf Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:57:46pm |
After bracing myself all day for Obama’s newest blab-athon, I just found out that the Red Sox are on ESPN at the same time. Sweet!
Sorry, Barry, tonight you’ll only get to lie to me during commercial breaks and pitching changes.
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keithgabryelski Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:59:26pm |
re: #158 avanti
I agree she did not endorse the nirthers, she just ignored the issue purposely, and missed the chance to clear the air with her opinion. IMHO, she remained silent so as to not offend the loons. BTW, not a uncommon tactic on either side, but she still evaded speaking out, and some will take that as a tacit endorsement.
She did more than that. She attempted to excuse birther behavior by claiming a larger “concern” among citizens.
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avanti Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:59:51pm |
re: #181 Walter L. Newton
I’ll ask you this question too…
What would you do if these nirthers actually prove their point? Prove it with no wiggle room for any other conclusion. Just play what if with me. What would you do?
I’d be in shock at first, depressed later.
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pingjockey Wed, Jul 22, 2009 4:59:54pm |
re: #169 steve
Congress and SCOTUS casnnot overrule the Constitution as it is wriiten. Rules of eligibility and succession are clearly defined. They can’t blow it off.
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The Shadow Do Wed, Jul 22, 2009 5:00:10pm |
re: #162 albusteve
yes but they seem unstoppable…it’s one damned issue after another…what is the GOP doing to win middle voters…I asked months ago, where is Steele? and why is he not speaking out?…if the GOP does not need me then the feeling is mutual and they are running out of time…
Steele is an executive charged with fundraising and campaign management national oversight. He is not the party spokesman. That position remains open. Someone in Congress needs to set the pace/agenda a la Newt back in the day for 2010, but there is no one in sight. If you see a congressman with a bit of charisma who is not a nut case please direct me to him/her and good times probably follow.
Presidential candidates cannot realistically present themselves until 2011.
Leadership void for sure, but it isn’t because of Steele.
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realwest Wed, Jul 22, 2009 5:00:29pm |
re: #182 Lincolntf
Hi there neighbor! Uh, who is in first place in the American League East?
Geez, I haven’t checked the standings in probably half an hour and I don’t remember.
:)
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Flyers1974 Wed, Jul 22, 2009 5:00:44pm |
re: #143 Walter L. Newton
I have a question. What would you do if these nirthers actually prove their point? Prove it with no wiggle room for any other conclusion. Just play what if with me. What would you do?
I’d leave this blog and never discuss politics with anyone ever again. And I’d devote my spare time towards a nice peaceful hobby like pottery-making or crafting necklaces out of colored beads.
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pingjockey Wed, Jul 22, 2009 5:01:04pm |
re: #170 Walter L. Newton
It does. Like I said one helluva scenario!
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HoosierHoops Wed, Jul 22, 2009 5:01:08pm |
re: #171 Ojoe
4am
Nothing like an early start! Love it!
I always enjoyed the Denny’s by the San Diego Airport..Always eat there before dropping off the rental car..My wife always flirts with the gay servers…
‘Your hair looks Fabulous!’ Who did it?
We’d always have a friend for 45 minutes…Just chatting it up…Good times at Denny’s..you take what you can get..
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wahabicorridor Wed, Jul 22, 2009 5:01:22pm |
So, are we going to have a thread on the O’s sermon from the mount?
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avanti Wed, Jul 22, 2009 5:01:39pm |
re: #183 keithgabryelski
She did more than that. She attempted to excuse birther behavior by claiming a larger “concern” among citizens.
Not sure if she was excusing it, maybe trying to rationalize irrational behavior, but she sure left it open to interpretation.
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VegasRick Wed, Jul 22, 2009 5:01:52pm |
Here we go. Let the lies, bigger lies and fucking lies start!
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pianobuff Wed, Jul 22, 2009 5:01:55pm |
re: #143 Walter L. Newton
I have a question. What would you do if these nirthers actually prove their point? Prove it with no wiggle room for any other conclusion. Just play what if with me. What would you do?
I’d have to get a 2nd job to pay off bets. :(
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SixDegrees Wed, Jul 22, 2009 5:02:11pm |
re: #173 realwest
What’s the betting that TONIGHT - if he answers any questions, someone will ask him , if this bill is SO GOOD, why aren’t the President and the Members of Congress obliged to be on it?And what are the odds that he won’t answer that question again?
What are the odds of anyone asking him if it’s true that the elderly may not get cancer care or will have to attend “counseling” about end of life issues, including killing themselves?
What are the odds of anyone asking him why there are so many placecards in the Cap and Trade Bill and having him answer it? What are the odds of anyone asking him why Nucleur Energy isn’t FRONT AND CENTER in our quest to do away with fossil fuels?
Oh, sorry for the OT here, we now return you to your regularly scheduled programming about Birthers.
Another important question that needs asking: why is it so important to pass this bill in a rush, before the details of what it contains become known?
And another: if this bill is so good and so beneficial to Americans, why aren’t you promoting it’s benefits and details, and instead spend your time accusing it’s critics of “playing politics” or using “scare tactics” when a simply discussion of what the bill actually contains should answer those critics directly?
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pingjockey Wed, Jul 22, 2009 5:02:23pm |
re: #187 realwest
You are a stinker! You know who is in first!
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Idle Drifter Wed, Jul 22, 2009 5:02:44pm |
Nirthers, Troofers, Moonbats, Kooks, Crazies, (Insert your favorite here).
Never underestimate the ___?___ in large groups.
I left it blank …?… because there are too many words that could be placed here.
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Lincolntf Wed, Jul 22, 2009 5:02:50pm |
re: #185 pingjockey
Who would remove him from Office? If it ever came to that (even if it’s a slam-dunk) I’m guessing he and his allies in both Houses of Congress would tie it up in Court until the end of his term.
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Killian Bundy Wed, Jul 22, 2009 5:03:12pm |
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wahabicorridor Wed, Jul 22, 2009 5:03:18pm |
“As a result of the actions we took, we were able to pull the economy back from the bink”
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iLikeCandy Wed, Jul 22, 2009 5:03:27pm |
re: #176 avanti
She could have simply said: “Obama is clearly a citizen of the US, but and we have real issues that need to be dealt with, and his citizenship is not one of them.”
There are a million things she could have said. Crushing the birther movement is not one of her priorities. She addressed her priorities.
I repeat: when we’re at the point where we accuse Liz Cheney of pandering to wackos is, we have handed wackoism itself a measure of victory.
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samk Wed, Jul 22, 2009 5:03:30pm |
I find it funny that Obama is pre-empting Wipeout.
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realwest Wed, Jul 22, 2009 5:03:38pm |
re: #191 wahabicorridor
I’d bet not; I don’t think Charles would put up a thread about yet another Prime Time Newscast about Obama - and largely, of course, by Obama when so few of us would be watching it.
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Randall Gross Wed, Jul 22, 2009 5:03:50pm |
re: #174 SixDegrees
There’s also a huge media mill feeding this hysteria for hits as well : World Nut Daily, Alex Jones, and others.
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Abu Bin Squid Wed, Jul 22, 2009 5:04:10pm |
Barry’s on!
Blame Bush 30 sec.
Blame the rich 1:00
What a prick!
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albusteve Wed, Jul 22, 2009 5:04:15pm |
re: #186 The Shadow Do
Steele is an executive charged with fundraising and campaign management national oversight. He is not the party spokesman. That position remains open. Someone in Congress needs to set the pace/agenda a la Newt back in the day for 2010, but there is no one in sight. If you see a congressman with a bit of charisma who is not a nut case please direct me to him/her and good times probably follow.
Presidential candidates cannot realistically present themselves until 2011.
Leadership void for sure, but it isn’t because of Steele.
you were there through that whole debate back then…if he does not speak out then he should put some pressure on someone else to speak out…I know what his role is…and if the lunatics are a fringe then who cares?…if the logic is that they influence other voters then they are not fringe imo…if nobody will deal with them then they are a major voting block right?…if not then what’s the big deal…which way is it?
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pingjockey Wed, Jul 22, 2009 5:04:36pm |
re: #203 Lincolntf
I don’t know how it works. But the constitution is very damn clear.
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realwest Wed, Jul 22, 2009 5:05:31pm |
re: #206 Lincolntf
Unless the Bosox are playing a double header tonight (no, I honestly don’t know if they are) and win both games, then the same team that’s currently in first place!
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albusteve Wed, Jul 22, 2009 5:05:34pm |
re: #212 Thanos
There’s also a huge media mill feeding this hysteria for hits as well : World Nut Daily, Alex Jones, and others.
yes, another whole aspect to the mess
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Lee Coller Wed, Jul 22, 2009 5:05:40pm |
Matthews evicerated him. However, I think his comparison to FDR’s four terms and the constitutional amendment that resulted is a stretch.
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realwest Wed, Jul 22, 2009 5:07:15pm |
re: #211 realwest
Shit, sorry {wahabi} I was wrong about that!
Hope you all have a good evening - I’m gonna go eat dinner and watch HGTV.
Or maybe Science Channel, NatGeo or the Military Channel.
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Lincolntf Wed, Jul 22, 2009 5:08:01pm |
re: #219 realwest
Crap. I thought we were only back by one. We’ve got a bit of the doldrums right now, but I’m sure both of our teams will be in the playoffs when it’s all said and done.
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jacksontn Wed, Jul 22, 2009 5:08:37pm |
re: #224 taxfreekiller
My illegal wage slave voters.
You pay for their health care.Oh, by the way, do not like it, I won, fu*K you.
SIGNED
B. OBAMA
tfk … who gets the care? … your old parents … or the young illegals? … who decides? … ugly scenario …
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Charles Johnson Wed, Jul 22, 2009 5:09:01pm |
re: #115 iLikeCandy
NO! Read the article. The title is bullshit.
The title is not bullshit. Liz Cheney was given a chance to denounce that insanity, and she weaseled out of it, more than once. She was pandering to the nuts. You can deny it if you like, but it was dead obvious.
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notamolly Wed, Jul 22, 2009 5:09:06pm |
re: #225 realwest
Shit, sorry {wahabi} I was wrong about that!
Hope you all have a good evening - I’m gonna go eat dinner and watch HGTV.
Or maybe Science Channel, NatGeo or the Military Channel.
Dog the Bounty Hunter on A&E or Food Network. Decisions decisions…
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Lincolntf Wed, Jul 22, 2009 5:10:09pm |
re: #217 pingjockey
True, it’s clear. But it has also been circumvented in extraordinary circumstances (Lincoln, FDR, etc.) before.
No matter how hard I try I just can’t picture him doing the walk of shame out of the White House.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Jul 22, 2009 5:13:28pm |
re: #113 iLikeCandy
Please, a moment of sobriety. Liz clearly had no desire to even address this bullshit and she kept trying to steer the conversation to the real issues. She wouldn’t condescend to touch the birthers. It would be like asking Julia Child to endorse a non-dairy whipped topping.
That conservatives would attack Liz Cheney, one of the most hard-headed, clear-eyed, and articulate spokespersons of conservative causes over the nirth certifikat issue, has handed a measure of success to the forces of idiocy.
No — what hands success to the forces of idiocy is when people like Liz Cheney refuse to speak out against the idiocy. And people who advocate ignoring this stuff, or just accepting the kooks because we “need” them, are deluding themselves.
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dwells38 Wed, Jul 22, 2009 5:13:31pm |
re: #169 steve
And I don’t think we who did not vote for him want this technicality to make him leave office. It would only make him a martyr. He’s already made several mistakes not the least of letting the Dems punk him into pushing a pork bill as stimulus. With no stimulus in the works and unemployment running rampant the country’s in no mood to give him lots of slack to learn on the job. The 2010 elections are coming up and the tables are starting to turn. He and the other Dems have way over reached and audaciously so during a time of economic hardship. I would rather see them legitimately defeated.
Remember how much sympathy Clinton received when they impeached him on the technicality that he lied under oath about boinking the intern?
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Charles Johnson Wed, Jul 22, 2009 5:14:03pm |
re: #156 iLikeCandy
I typed, then deleted, a post to that effect. I’d rather not give these sillies any publicity or stoop to answer them. Let them duke it out with the nuts on the other side who think George Bush crashed the planes into the Twin Towers. But then it’s not my blog.
That’s true, it’s not.
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Flyers1974 Wed, Jul 22, 2009 5:14:43pm |
re: #230 Lincolntf
I think the SC would refuse to hear the case. But if they did boot him out, who would take over?
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Macker Wed, Jul 22, 2009 5:16:19pm |
There’s plenty of other ammo with which to criticize БХО. That said…what if there really IS something to this story?
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Flyers1974 Wed, Jul 22, 2009 5:17:02pm |
re: #235 Macker
There’s plenty of other ammo with which to criticize БХО. That said…what if there really IS something to this story?
Are you serious?
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keithgabryelski Wed, Jul 22, 2009 5:18:13pm |
re: #235 Macker
There’s plenty of other ammo with which to criticize БХО. That said…what if there really IS something to this story?
what are you talking about? There is NOTHING to this story. President Obama released his birth certificate.
He is a natural born citizen of the USA.
end. of. discussion.
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el_raton Wed, Jul 22, 2009 5:18:14pm |
Asking, “What if there is something to this?” is like asking, “What if the Easter Bunny does exist?”
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flutesnoot Wed, Jul 22, 2009 5:20:18pm |
re: #89 HoosierHoops
Yea, we got em.. They were all on leave that week…When you work for the Gov’t there is always that use or lose issue…
/
What part of the world do you hail from lizard?
Canada. I don’t even know if you have to be born in Canada to run for prime minister.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Jul 22, 2009 5:34:25pm |
So let’s be really clear about what this means.
Obama has a lot of policies and ideas that will be bad for this country and our allies.
Someone should have well wrought logical alternatives to present and argue for. The natural people to do this would be the GOP.
However, in the absence of any actual plans or ideas of their own - other than whining a lot and shouting soundbites - we see open acts of desperation.
We see them pandering to the Creationists more than ever - why because to a creationist, so long as you tag the anti Darwin line, you don’t actually have to have any policies of your own.
We see them pandering to the Nirthers. Why here is another crap flinging group that you don’t need to say anything constructive to. I mean the revolution sounds grand don’t it? Who cares if we have no plans for after…
We see them fuming all over Sotomayor and trying their damned level best to make this into a racially charged bit of scare tactics… Ohhh BOOGA BOOGA, the big bad Latina woman is coming to take your jobs and livelyhoods by making it impossible for white people to compete with affirmative action… BOOOGA BOOGA BE SCARED white Boys be scared…
Uh… Huh… so ok, you have fired a broadside “for the honor of the fleet” in her case… Do you have anything CONSTRUCTIVE to say? Ohhh, no you don’t that would mean actually having ideas that go beyond slinging mud…
We see them pandering to the folksie folks. Why, because so long as you are a cute soccer mom, you don’t need to actually know anything or have any real policies of your own. Hey, she can even run out on her elected office, true believers don’t care about things like actually doing the job you were elected to do… Sorry guys, Palin is forever on my shit list for cutting and running, even if you love her, can you agree that this shows a certain lack of sense of duty?
And who really is running the GOP these days?
What we see all over is a complete paucity of ideas. What we see is desperation. This is just great because, you know, unless someone has some actual ideas that are workable, to counter Obama with, you got bubkas.
And this is a pity. It really is. Because Obama does need to be countered on lots of things. Only the GOP, through only knowing how to cry wolf, and trip over its own feet, has made it so Obama’s real wolves won’t be noticed if someone calls a warning.
Great show losers. You deserved to be tossed out of office. After your party splits inot an isolationist party and a Religious party, you will be gladly replaced by something new and more sensible.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Jul 22, 2009 5:38:02pm |
re: #235 Macker
There’s plenty of other ammo with which to criticize БХО. That said…what if there really IS something to this story?
*Facepalm*
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nonic Wed, Jul 22, 2009 6:16:09pm |
The federal bill would require that IN THE FUTURE candidates would have to provide proofs of the qualifications required by the Constitution.
As a matter of fact, I read some months ago that several (or many or most) state boards of election have already, without fanfare, written that requirement into their rules for FUTURE ballots.
What’s wrong with that? Most people have to show proof of qualifications when they apply for a job.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Jul 22, 2009 6:20:55pm |
re: #242 nonic
The federal bill would require that IN THE FUTURE candidates would have to provide proofs of the qualifications required by the Constitution.
As a matter of fact, I read some months ago that several (or many or most) state boards of election have already, without fanfare, written that requirement into their rules for FUTURE ballots.
What’s wrong with that? Most people have to show proof of qualifications when they apply for a job.
This federal bill would not even exist if it weren’t for the Nirthers. It is pandering to the conspiracy nuts, very deliberately, for political purposes. That’s what’s wrong with it.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Jul 22, 2009 6:24:06pm |
re: #243 Charles
There is also the issue that a congressman mentioned an Army major who refused to serve… Great soundbite right? I mean we love the military and if one of our heros is a Nirther then this must be a real issue…
Hmmm…
A CONGRESSMAN FROM THE PARTY THAT IS SUPPOSED TO SUPPORT THE MILITARY JUST SANCTIONED MUTINY, BECAUSE IT WOULD MAKE A GOOD SOUNDBITE.
I am an independent for a reason.
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Mich-again Wed, Jul 22, 2009 6:24:13pm |
re: #242 nonic
The federal bill would require that IN THE FUTURE candidates would have to provide proofs of the qualifications required by the Constitution.
Little League Baseball requires an official sealed birth certificate to verify the player’s birthdate, and not just a photocopy.
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Mich-again Wed, Jul 22, 2009 6:28:53pm |
re: #243 Charles
This federal bill would not even exist if it weren’t for the Nirthers. It is pandering to the conspiracy nuts, very deliberately, for political purposes. That’s what’s wrong with it.
Agreed.
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nonic Wed, Jul 22, 2009 6:39:42pm |
re: #243 Charles
It’s pretty common that laws are not written until there occurs some event or condition that demonstrates that there is a new need for a new law. I can immediately think of things like needle exchange programs or no-questions-asked baby drop-offs or identify theft preventatives.
In fact, if a proof-of-qualifications law had been put into place years or decades or a couple of centuries ago — if it had been thought to be needed then — there would be none of this current hullaballoo over the current president. Or would have been, as there was, over John McCain.
This federal bill intends to prevent FUTURE problems.
There is a doctrine in the law called “subsequent remedial measures” which holds that if you trip over something or slip on something and AFTER your fall, the property owner modifies or marks the item involved, you CANNOT cite the owner’s action as proof of their previous negligence.
In other words, somebody’s trying to improve something cannot be held against them.
This seems very similar to me. There is a situation here that needs to be fixed. Fixing it need have NOTHING to do with any current claims.
We’d never have any progress in the law or anything else if all intended improvements were held to be “political” and for that reason alone suspect and undesirable.
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nonic Wed, Jul 22, 2009 6:59:25pm |
re: #244 LudwigVanQuixote
There was no “mutiny” involved. The called-up major applied for conscientious objector status based on his concern that should anything irregular be found in the legal ability of the Commander in Chief to perform that function under the Constitution, international treaties, or international law, he (the major) might be vulnerable to being charged with war crimes.
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placeholder Wed, Jul 22, 2009 7:01:43pm |
re: #247 nonic
This seems very similar to me. There is a situation here that needs to be fixed. Fixing it need have NOTHING to do with any current claims.
There is no problem that needs to be fixed - there is already a constitutional requirement for chrissakes. This bill is just a redundancy that is specifically designed to lend oblique credibility to a bunch of dipshits.
This is a bad precedent.
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placeholder Wed, Jul 22, 2009 7:02:08pm |
re: #248 nonic
There was no “mutiny” involved. The called-up major applied for conscientious objector status based on his concern that should anything irregular be found in the legal ability of the Commander in Chief to perform that function under the Constitution, international treaties, or international law, he (the major) might be vulnerable to being charged with war crimes.
give me a break. utter bullshit.
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nonic Wed, Jul 22, 2009 7:12:49pm |
re: #249 placeholder
Yes, there is a Constitutional requirement. THAT’S THE POINT. But a Constitutional requirement is not the same thing as an “enabling law”. Which is why the later Amendments have wording that authorizes the Congress and/or executive to enforce the content of the Amendment.
Anyway. If there’s any “redundancy,” it’s that many (maybe eventually most or all) state boards of election are including requirements for proof of qualifications when a potential candidate applies to have his/her name placed on a ballot in the future.
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jvic Wed, Jul 22, 2009 7:19:51pm |
re: #247 nonic
…This federal bill intends to prevent FUTURE problems…
A few days ago, I speculated that the “future problem” is Obama’s reelection. Matthews has come to the same conclusion.
Might the Republicans actually manage to lose seats in 2010?
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nonic Wed, Jul 22, 2009 7:30:33pm |
re: #252 jvic
A few days ago, I speculated that the “future problem” is Obama’s reelection.
That could conceivably be an issue. But, first, it assumes that he will run again. It’s too soon to know that.
But it would also be possible for the law, should it be enacted, to exempt current office holders.
Might the Republicans actually manage to lose seats in 2010?
Anything is possible. The world seems a very volatile place right now. A lot could happen internationally that could greatly color the domestic and internal affairs of the US.
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Salamantis Wed, Jul 22, 2009 8:40:32pm |
re: #81 placeholder
The only way they will be convinced is if we send them to the moon to see it for themselves.
Can we please just leave them there? The moon would seem to be a natural habitat for barking nirther moonbats.
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Karridine Wed, Jul 22, 2009 8:48:43pm |
I want to shut down a birth-certificate-for-Obama acquaintance once and for all, but I can’t Google up the link for Obama’s long-form birth certificate…
Wasn’t that link posted here (LGF) earlier?
What’s a link (where’s a link) to Obama’s long-form birth certificate, please…
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Irenicum Wed, Jul 22, 2009 8:56:34pm |
Here ya go. But remember, they’re part of the all encompassing “conspiracy”.
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Karridine Wed, Jul 22, 2009 10:14:29pm |
re: #256 Irenicum
Thanks, Irenicum! This MIGHT provide surcease, but I won’t hold my breath… :D
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:38:24am |
re: #255 Karridine
I want to shut down a birth-certificate-for-Obama acquaintance once and for all, but I can’t Google up the link for Obama’s long-form birth certificate…
Wasn’t that link posted here (LGF) earlier?
What’s a link (where’s a link) to Obama’s long-form birth certificate, please…
Karridine -
Bottom line is this. Pres. Obama’s Mother was an American Citizen, case closed as far as I am concerned unless he renounced his citizenship upon reaching majority. There are plenty of other reasons I would Prefer he were not President. This one is a waste of time.
-S-
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scrubjay Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:09:59am |
There should be some formal process that a candidate for president must follow to prove that he meets the constitutional requirements for office. I had to show my birth certificate when i applied for my passport and also for my driver’s license. I don’t understand why Obama doesn’t just say “This nonsense has gone on long enough. Here is my birth certificate. Now let’s get back to issues.”
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aRedPhishHead Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:53:40am |
I spent the morning and part of the afternoon arguing (as Good Lt) with Birthers in this lengthy, heated Hot Air thread.
This cancer is spreading and it isn’t encouraging. Sigh.
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velsin Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:23:21pm |
As a former resident of a communist country, and now current citizen of the USA, I am sincerely concerned that people are calling their fellow citizens mentally ill for asking questions that raise real constitutional issues with respect to the presidency. I did not leave a totalitarian state where questioning authority could lead to being branded an “crazy person” who was sent to a gulag, only to receive a similar reception here. Whether or not President Obama’s birth certificate is authentic is not the issue, the issues is the lack of respect that legitimate questions are treated with by an ignorant and supine press.
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Salamantis Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:15:31pm |
re: #261 velsin
As a former resident of a communist country, and now current citizen of the USA, I am sincerely concerned that people are calling their fellow citizens mentally ill for asking questions that raise real constitutional issues with respect to the presidency. I did not leave a totalitarian state where questioning authority could lead to being branded an “crazy person” who was sent to a gulag, only to receive a similar reception here. Whether or not President Obama’s birth certificate is authentic is not the issue, the issues is the lack of respect that legitimate questions are treated with by an ignorant and supine press.
As soon as Obama’s fucking birth certificate was posted on the internet, the Hawaiian newspaper birth announcements were dredged up, and the Republican in charge of health and hospital issues in Hawaii affirmed that she had gone and seen the original, the questions BECAME illegitimate.
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Hawaii69 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:47:44pm |
re: #248 nonic
There was no “mutiny” involved. The called-up major applied for conscientious objector status based on his concern that should anything irregular be found in the legal ability of the Commander in Chief to perform that function under the Constitution, international treaties, or international law, he (the major) might be vulnerable to being charged with war crimes.
The Major wasn’t “called up”. He volunteered for a tour of duty in Afghanistan back in May ‘09. He’s a Reservist.
Interesting thing: He wrote a letter to Orly Taitz, The Birther “lawyer” back in February ‘09, stating that he was a military officer with doubts about Obama’s legitimacy as Commander in Chief, and asking to join her lawsuit against him.
If this was the case, why did hevolunteer for duty only 3 months later? Simple answer: It was a set-up from the beginning. When his orders came through in June ‘09, telling him to report for duty on July 15th, he had Orly Taitz file a restraining order against the military.
This is interesting because, as a volunteer, he was under NO obligation to go to Afghanistan. If he wanted out, all he had to do was file the appropriate paperwork with the Army, and they would have rescinded his orders. According to the Army, he never filed to have the orders rescinded.
Instead, he had Taitz file the restraining order, as to give the appearance that he were being forced on a deployment by a President he considered to be illegetimate. What better way to publicize the Birther cause? This was charade, in the planning since Feb. 09.
The military finally got tired of these antics and rescinded his orders shortly before he was scheduled to deply on July 15. His Orly Taitz then stepped forward and declared a “victory” for soldiers who question Obama’s legitimacy, and claimed that the Major Cook’s orders were revoked as a way to silence him, and avoid having to produce Obama’s Birth Certificate.
That’s my long winded way of saying “The whole thing was complete bullshit”.
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nonic Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:00:35pm |
re: #263 Hawaii69
Assuming the facts are as you state them —- and I will allow that they may be, since I haven’t followed this story closely —- and assuming the situation was a “set up” (what is known as a “test case”), that doesn’t change the legal argument put forward, i.e., that military service under a Commander in Chief who may be holding office illegitmately puts service men and women at risk.
(Tailored test cases are not unusual. Research it and you’ll find that Roe v. Wade was just such a “set up.”)
Can’t you imagine a foreign enemy trying to prosecute our service men and women on THEIR claim (the enemy’s claim) that OUR president was not qualified to hold office?
Which is all the more reason that we should have laws in place foreclosing any such possibility, as well as assuring the public generally and insuring that the legitimacy of what the government does cannot be questioned.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:42:29pm |
re: #261 velsin
As a former resident of a communist country, and now current citizen of the USA, I am sincerely concerned that people are calling their fellow citizens mentally ill for asking questions that raise real constitutional issues with respect to the presidency. I did not leave a totalitarian state where questioning authority could lead to being branded an “crazy person” who was sent to a gulag, only to receive a similar reception here. Whether or not President Obama’s birth certificate is authentic is not the issue, the issues is the lack of respect that legitimate questions are treated with by an ignorant and supine press.
These “questions” deserve NO respect. They’ve been answered, over and over. This conspiracy theory is insane, and anyone who continues to rant about it should be treated exactly like a lunatic on a street corner.
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dapperdave Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:55:27pm |
What if b.o. wasn’t born in this country what are the nirthers going to do impeach him? Then what? Biden? This to me looks like nothing more than desperation, grasping for straws, 2010 is around the corner b.o. doing a fine job at hanging himself we’ll see how the election turns out in 2010
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