Breaking: Shooting Attack at Las Vegas Federal Building

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There’s been a shooting attack at a Federal courthouse building in Las Vegas — reports are that at least 100 rounds were fired.

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UPDATE at 1/4/10 10:37:58 am:

The Las Vegas Sun has a report with some details: Marshals shot in downtown federal courthouse; suspect dead.

A federal court officer has died and another is in serious condition after being shot this morning in the lobby of the Lloyd D. George Federal Courthouse, 333 Las Vegas Blvd. South.

The U.S. Marshals Service says the shooting victims included a deputy U.S. marshal and a court security officer. The Associated Press is reporting that one of the officers has died, although it wasn’t immediately clear which one.

University Medical Center spokesman Rick Plummer said the dead officer was 65 years old.

Metro Police responded at 8:05 a.m. to the shooting, police spokeswoman Barbara Morgan said. FBI Special Agent Joseph Dickey says the gunman died shortly after a shootout.

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196 comments

Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:34:43am

Can't happen, it is against the law to bring a firearm into a federal building.
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Kragar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:35:17am

Thats a lot of shooting. Multiple shooters?

Kragar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:35:55am

re: #1 rwdflynavy

Can't happen, it is against the law to bring a firearm into a federal building.
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They could be outside.

Obdicut Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:36:05am

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

lawhawk Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:36:13am

More info:
[Link: www.lasvegassun.com...]

A federal court officer has died and another is in serious condition after being shot this morning in the lobby of the Lloyd D. George Federal Courthouse, 333 Las Vegas Blvd. South.
The U.S. Marshals Service says the shooting victims included a deputy U.S. marshal and a court security officer. The Associated Press is reporting that one of the officers has died, although it wasn't immediately clear which one.

University Medical Center spokesman Rick Plummer said the dead officer was 65 years old.

Metro Police responded at 8:05 a.m. to the shooting, police spokeswoman Barbara Morgan said. FBI Special Agent Joseph Dickey says the gunman died shortly after a shootout.

Baier Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:36:51am

Sens Reid and Ensign's offices are in the building.

Obdicut Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:37:22am

re: #5 lawhawk

Also of note, though probably just coincidence:

Nevada Sens.Harry Reid and John Ensign both have offices in the federal building. Ensign spokeswoman Jennifer Cooper said the senator was not there, although the staff was evacuated.

Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:38:51am

I will never understand these douchebags' desire to conduct suicide by cop and take innocent folks with them.

reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:40:31am

I counted 47 shots in that short clip (which obviously began after the shooting had started), and I think I missed a few.

So at least 100 rounds would not sound out of the question.

geez.
How awful.

Lidane Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:41:38am

I just...I can't even process that. WTF? How awful for the friends, co-workers and families of the dead. My condolences to all of them.

Kragar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:42:20am

One shooter, apparently walked in with a shotgun and just started blasting. The other shots were officers returning fire.

Lidane Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:45:07am

re: #7 Obdicut

Also of note, though probably just coincidence:

For all our sakes I hope it's just a coincidence. If this was an attempt to get into the offices of either Senator, then things have gone even further around the bend than I'd previously thought. =/

RogueOne Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:46:43am

There is a youtube clip from outside the courthouse. Nothing on the video to be seen but you can hear dozens of shots. Ok to post link?

Kragar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:47:27am

re: #13 RogueOne

There is a youtube clip from outside the courthouse. Nothing on the video to be seen but you can hear dozens of shots. Ok to post link?

Charles has it linked already I think.

Gus Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:47:44am

What a way to start the year and decade.

Federal building. One report says 100 rounds were fired.

RogueOne Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:48:15am

re: #14 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Charles has it linked already I think.

Doh! your're right. I went straight to his story link to read the report and missed the video.

Kragar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:48:36am

re: #12 Lidane

For all our sakes I hope it's just a coincidence. If this was an attempt to get into the offices of either Senator, then things have gone even further around the bend than I'd previously thought. =/

Too early to speculate. Not enough info.

SixDegrees Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:48:58am

re: #15 Gus 802

What a way to start the year and decade.

Federal building. One report says 100 rounds were fired.

Sounds like that may have been mostly return fire. There's lots of firepower at Federal buildings.

albusteve Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:49:24am

you can distinctly hear a 12ga booming three or four times

SixDegrees Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:49:35am

re: #17 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Too early to speculate. Not enough info.

Agree. I think the 24 hour rule will definitely be appropriate for this story.

RogueOne Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:50:02am

re: #18 SixDegrees

Sounds like that may have been mostly return fire. There's lots of firepower at Federal buildings.

Wonder why the guy thought he could shoot his way in, must have watched too many movies.

Lidane Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:50:16am

re: #17 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Too early to speculate. Not enough info.

True. That's why I'm hoping it's just a terrible coincidence.

Of course, it should never have happened at all, but it's too late for that.

albusteve Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:50:59am

re: #12 Lidane

For all our sakes I hope it's just a coincidence. If this was an attempt to get into the offices of either Senator, then things have gone even further around the bend than I'd previously thought. =/

you could not fight your way through the cops to upper offices with just a shotgun

SixDegrees Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:51:31am

re: #21 RogueOne

Wonder why the guy thought he could shoot his way in, must have watched too many movies.

Usually in cases like this, "thinking" isn't exactly what's taking place in the perp's head.

Summer Seale Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:51:48am

Yea, it's best not to make any judgement on this until we hear way more than we already heard.

lawhawk Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:51:57am

This report suggests that the gunman managed to enter the courthouse, opened fire, and then was forced outside by law enforcement returning fire - and the gunman was killed outside the courthouse.

Gus Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:52:13am

re: #18 SixDegrees

Sounds like that may have been mostly return fire. There's lots of firepower at Federal buildings.

Yeah, might have been less than 100 rounds. Now we wait to hear what this guys MO was.

Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:52:50am

We know the first important thing-It's over. Condolences to the departed officers family, and the wounded. Glad they got him, assuming that much is correct.

I am very glad it is not a Mumbai style terror attack. I seriously have that worry about Vegas.

Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:53:43am

re: #26 lawhawk

The man fled across the street in a hail of return gunfire. He was shot in the head and killed.

darthstar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:53:53am

Shit.

albusteve Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:54:20am

re: #28 Rightwingconspirator

We know the first important thing-It's over. Condolences to the departed officers family, and the wounded. Glad they got him, assuming that much is correct.

I am very glad it is not a Mumbai style terror attack. I seriously have that worry about Vegas.

I do too, very effective...walk across the border, buy a shitload of stuff, drive to Vegas and do....pretty simple

Kragar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:54:37am

re: #23 albusteve

you could not fight your way through the cops to upper offices with just a shotgun

Capt Dipshit might not have thought it thru that far. He could have thought just that, never realizing what waited for him inside.

Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:54:50am

re: #27 Gus 802

Yeah, might have been less than 100 rounds. Now we wait to hear what this guys MO was.

I was wondering if he made a tape or sent an email to local TV.

Velvet Elvis Mon, Jan 4, 2010 10:55:28am

100 shots returning fire... They must have turned him into hamburger.

If he took one of their own down first I don't blame them.

Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:01:29am

re: #34 Conservative Moonbat

If this is the usual thing, we will see a mere few hits on the shooter. I can only guess that we would have news if innocent folks got hit by return fire. Police shootings often have infamous round counts.

MandyManners Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:06:01am

This is a helluva' way to start off 2010.

Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:08:29am

More Tea party lunacy....
‘N-Word’ Sign Dogs Would-Be Tea Party Leader

Dale Robertson, a Tea Party activist who operates TeaParty.org, is getting stung for an old photo — taken at the Feb. 27, 2009 Tea Party in Houston — in which he holds a sign reading “Congress = Slaveowner, Taxpayer = Niggar.”
After the ResistNet listerv promoted “Liberty Concerts” to be held by TeaParty.org, a source passed on this photo of Robertson, after the jump.

New Mexican Tea Partiers Bring Guns To Anti-Obama Rally

The Alamogordo Daily News got a picture of one man with a rifle and a sign that says, "No To Obama Care / No To Congess (sic) Spending / No To Stimulus / Replace Comunist (sic) in DC".

The AP reports that there were "plenty of handguns and rifles displayed ... but no violence."

MandyManners Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:10:38am

re: #37 Killgore Trout

More Tea party lunacy...
‘N-Word’ Sign Dogs Would-Be Tea Party Leader

Not only is the maker of that sign a asshole, he also can't spell.

BARACK THE VOTE Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:11:18am

re: #15 Gus 802

What a way to start the year and decade.

Federal building. One report says 100 rounds were fired.

I know. This is horrible.

Need a break. BBL.

Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:12:46am

re: #38 MandyManners

Not only is the maker of that sign a asshole, he also can't spell.

Looks like the N word was on another piece of material pasted onto the original sign. Wonder what it says under that.

Lidane Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:12:59am

re: #38 MandyManners

Not only is the maker of that sign a asshole, he also can't spell.

He can't help it. He was one of those children left behind in school. =P

Kragar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:13:01am

Well, this certainly seems less than good.

Six trucks of explosives 'disappear' in Yemen

Gus Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:13:20am

re: #39 iceweasel

I know. This is horrible.

Need a break. BBL.

Since it's 2010 I suspect we might get a spike in these kind of events. You know how the humans are about "numerology" and this being a new decade and such.

Later Ice.

Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:13:34am

re: #38 MandyManners

Also the N word was pasted onto the sign. I wonder what it said originally.

theheat Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:14:04am

re: #37 Killgore Trout

Add, there was a effigy of Obama hanging in Plains, Georgia from a storefront. Oddly, no one's talking...

simoom Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:14:20am

re: #38 MandyManners

Not only is the maker of that sign a asshole, he also can't spell.

What's interesting about that sign is he clearly covered over whatever it originally said with another piece of posterboard. Maybe it initially was spelled correctly, someone balked, and he thought swapping a letter would make it more acceptable?

Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:15:47am

re: #45 theheat

Lots of bad craziness around these days.

MandyManners Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:15:57am

That man ain't got no raising.

SixDegrees Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:16:33am

re: #44 Killgore Trout

Also the N word was pasted onto the sign. I wonder what it said originally.

Possibly the same thing with the correct spelling. This particular variant may be used as cover, so they can fall back to claiming, "But I was talking about Scandinavians!"

I know, the root's wrong, but it isn't like we're talking about grammatical geniuses here.

Gus Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:16:46am

re: #47 Killgore Trout

Lots of bad craziness around these days.

Here's a gallery of the Almogrado bunch.

Gus Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:20:34am

re: #50 Gus 802

Alamogordo

Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:21:49am

re: #31 albusteve

Sin City Vegas is a big fat soft target. Now that we have frequent running gun battles at or near the border with Mexico, we have reminders how hard it is to defend against well armed assailants.

Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:22:29am

re: #50 Gus 802

Looks like the Constitution Party was there

Gus Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:23:57am

re: #53 Killgore Trout

Looks like the Constitution Party was there

Yes, beclowning themselves per usual. There a couple of others there looking like they were at a costume party.

wiffersnapper Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:24:16am

This is terrible. Ugh.

Kragar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:25:57am

re: #54 Gus 802

Yes, beclowning themselves per usual. There a couple of others there looking like they were at a costume party.

Because nothing says concerned citizen louder than dressing up like an idiot and making a public fool of yourself.

wrenchwench Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:26:32am

re: #50 Gus 802

Here's a gallery of the Almogrado bunch.

My sister and I ate at that restaurant across the street when we visited White Sands. It was muy sabroso.

Gus Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:27:31am

re: #57 wrenchwench

My sister and I ate at that restaurant across the street when we visited White Sands. It was muy sabroso.

Nom nom.

That guy needs a bull horn.

Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:28:42am

re: #54 Gus 802

I just noticed the race obsessed description for that slide show.....

I think the first picture really sums it up the best. "Dirty White Boy" ever consider washing your truck before writing on it such remarks? Wait to you see the next picture.

Make no mistake I am not democrat but I hate false advertisement. Taxes have not changed. Our government has been TOO big for far longer than Obama. This is mostly about a bunch of white trash upset that a black man is in office and little more.
...
Where were the protesters then when the WHITE man was in office??

jaunte Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:28:43am

re: #58 Gus 802

He's grown himself a handy sign-rest.

MandyManners Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:30:08am

re: #60 jaunte

He's grown himself a handy sign-rest.

Is he afraid the feds are gonna' steal his gut or his gun?

wrenchwench Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:30:50am

re: #58 Gus 802

Nom nom.

That guy needs a bull horn.

His sign should say something witty about not needing health care.

Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:31:33am

re: #59 Killgore Trout

But, but, this is different, Obama's in office, and I'm not rascist, I have black friends, but when W was in office, blah, blah, blah.

Gus Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:31:38am

re: #59 Killgore Trout

I haven't read the descriptions but that's pretty apt. When I saw the mini-pickup I was wondering how I would respond if I came across a bunch of armed men driving around outside of hunting season. Kind of reminds me of, the Taliban since they drive mini-pickups a lot.

Gus Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:32:09am

re: #62 wrenchwench

His sign should say something witty about not needing health care.

Ten bucks says he's already on a government health care program. ;)

Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:33:02am

re: #65 Gus 802

Ten bucks says he's already on a government health care program. ;)

Or super sized food stamp program.

wrenchwench Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:33:48am

An article from the Alamogordo Daily News.

wrenchwench Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:34:35am

re: #65 Gus 802

Ten bucks says he's already on a government health care program. ;)

There's a bilingual pun in there somewhere with the town's name. I'm not up to it....

simoom Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:35:24am

An interesting catch over at John Cole's blog. The New York Times magazine put up a nine page article on how Obama has been prosecuting the war on terrorism (with a focus on John Brennan), including the events surrounding the attempted Christmas day bombing. That post on Cole's blog zeroed in on this paragraph:

A half-dozen former senior Bush officials involved in counterterrorism told me before the Christmas Day incident that for the most part, they were comfortable with Obama’s policies, although they were reluctant to say so on the record. Some worried they would draw the ire of Cheney’s circle if they did, while others calculated that calling attention to the similarities to Bush would only make it harder for Obama to stay the course. And they generally resent Obama’s anti-Bush rhetoric and are unwilling to give him political cover by defending him

I've just started reading through the NYT piece, but in a quick initial scan I noticed this from Brennan:

“A lot of the knuckleheads I’ve been listening to out there on the network shows don’t know what they’re talking about,” he told me after the Christmas Day attempt. Some Republicans, including Cheney, were blatantly mischaracterizing the record, he fumed. “When they say the administration’s not at war with Al Qaeda, that is just complete hogwash.” It was the angriest I had heard him during months of conversations. “What they’re doing is just playing into Al Qaeda’s strategic effort, which is to get us to battle among ourselves instead of focusing on them,” he said.

Gus Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:36:45am

re: #68 wrenchwench

There's a bilingual pun in there somewhere with the town's name. I'm not up to it...

You mean like a mission of los gordos? /

lawhawk Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:39:13am

re: #69 simoom

The funny thing is that the Democrats were busy doing that to Bush all throughout his term in office, and now that the GOP is on the outside, many are reverting to the same tactics against the Democrats. Pitiful.

Still, the fact is that Obama is pursuing many of the same tactics as the Bush Administration in going after al Qaeda and the GWOT. That has to be causing quite a bit of discomfort on the left, which hoped that this would end.

Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:40:01am

re: #54 Gus 802

When I went to the Tea Party at Griffith Park, I saw a tiny but colorful counter protest. I notice few if any pictures of counter protests at Tea Parties in general. Huh.

SixDegrees Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:41:18am

re: #72 Rightwingconspirator

When I went to the Tea Party at Griffith Park, I saw a tiny but colorful counter protest. I notice few if any pictures of counter protests at Tea Parties in general. Huh.

If I were on the Left, I wouldn't be protesting the Tea Parties. I'd be sending them money.

idioma Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:41:28am

OT: Discovery Institute Busted!

Youtube Video

Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:42:31am

re: #73 SixDegrees

Good point. Or send cheap artboard and crayons.

Gus Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:45:48am

re: #72 Rightwingconspirator

When I went to the Tea Party at Griffith Park, I saw a tiny but colorful counter protest. I notice few if any pictures of counter protests at Tea Parties in general. Huh.

Maybe so. But counter protesters are rarely the subject during protests unless there's some kind of confrontation. A bunch of middle aged white guys protesting while bearing hand guns and rifles will be the subject of attention. One man holding up a rifle with a sign that says "replace Communist in DC" is still a new phenomenon and a news organization will report that instead of a bunch of counter protester.

Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:47:37am

There was a discussion on an earlier thread about the link between guns and crime and whiny urban liberals.

Guns don't kill. Crazed lunatics with guns do.

Randall Gross Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:49:21am

re: #37 Killgore Trout

More Tea party lunacy...
‘N-Word’ Sign Dogs Would-Be Tea Party Leader

I'm not expert but I pulled down a copy of the picture, it doesn't appear to be photoshopped. What is interesting is the pattern of bolts, like it's usually a fixture on a vehicle or building. It also appears that there could possibly be velcro on it where they stick on different things under "Taxpayer =" and pull off the preceding messages to get the one they want depending on audience.

Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 4, 2010 11:58:44am

re: #76 Gus 802

Well then credit is due to LAPD that had a generous no go zone to keep the protests apart. I just uploaded 4 shots of them in the link. I had the impression from talking to some officers that the counter protesters had worked closely with them. I'm no media guy. But when I went to document the event as best I could solo, I got to both sides. I'm glad I did, and went with my camera gear. The gear was effectively a pass back and forth. But that party was very different than what I saw here and on TV. The one here was relatively tame and sane.

bagua Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:02:46pm

Dear God, we are overrun by psychos.

abbyadams Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:04:47pm

re: #73 SixDegrees

I read an article today that suggests Tim Robbins sent Michele Bachmann money. Maybe some of the left has caught on to this idea.

Bagua Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:05:40pm

Strange that the video shows someone walking about on the sidewalk near the court house.

shiplord kirel Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:05:50pm

re: #61 MandyManners

Is he afraid the feds are gonna' steal his gut or his gun?

These would-be revolutionaries have enough firepower but it takes more than that. They wouldn't be much use in a real uprising except as barricades.

Gus Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:06:44pm

re: #83 shiplord kirel

These would-be revolutionaries have enough firepower but it takes more than that. They wouldn't be much use in a real uprising except as ~~barricades~~ crutches.

FTFY

Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:13:06pm

re: #77 ralphieboy

Sorry I missed that. I wonder if the Lott study ever got looked at seriously here. The LGF search had nothing relevant with a John Lott search.

Stanghazi Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:15:15pm

re: #67 wrenchwench

An article from the Alamogordo Daily News.

From the article:

....The couple's dog, Rocky, an English Pointer, had a 9mm strapped to his side and a sign that read, "Bring it on, Obama"........

Not brave enough to wear the sign yourself Mr. Patriot?

Obdicut Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:16:56pm

re: #86 Stanley Sea

OT: I was pretty happy when a totally unethical dog-trainer in Chicago who taught his dogs to only bark at/attack black people got his house cleaned out by white criminals.

He didn't really think that plan all the way through.

recusancy Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:17:15pm

Uh oh... Sen Ensign just said that security worked in the building. Is he going to get the same treatment as Napolitano?

Gus Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:18:07pm

Report is coming out that they found a body at Las Vegas City Hall parking garage -- no details.

Oddly enough 2009 was the lowest murder rate for Clark County in the past 8 years.

Four More Tears Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:19:42pm

re: #88 recusancy

Uh oh... Sen Ensign just said that security worked in the building. Is he going to get the same treatment as Napolitano?

I don't think that's a fair comparison. Security in this case did work.

Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:20:29pm

re: #89 Gus 802

I wonder if that is close to the shooting, as in line of sight. Like stray bullet. We'll see.

Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:21:56pm

re: #90 JasonA

Yes, and paid the price. Damn shame about that.

Gus Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:26:00pm

re: #91 Rightwingconspirator

I wonder if that is close to the shooting, as in line of sight. Like stray bullet. We'll see.

Checked on Google maps. Looks to be about 5 long blocks away.

Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:37:43pm

re: #93 Gus 802
I should have thought of that. Duh. Well that would be about a million to one freak, so probably not. Could be as simple as a sudden health incident, heart attack or whatever.

Well I'm out to with camera for a while, feeling cooped up. BBL!

SteveC Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:40:05pm

re: #89 Gus 802

Oddly enough 2009 was the lowest murder rate for Clark County in the past 8 years.

Like hell it was! I watch CSI, so I know what I'm talking about.

///

abolitionist Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:43:19pm

OT - Letters prompt 7 anthrax scares across Alabama

Lidane Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:43:36pm

re: #88 recusancy

Uh oh... Sen Ensign just said that security worked in the building. Is he going to get the same treatment as Napolitano?

Doubtful, since the shooter is now dead, and apparently died in a hail of bullets.

Randall Gross Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:51:02pm

From the NYT article:

Senator Reid’s office said that his staff was fine. “My thoughts are with the victims of today’s shooting and their families,” Senator Reid said in a statement. “The law enforcement personnel who protect the courthouse put their lives at risk every day to keep the people who are inside safe, and I greatly appreciate their service.”

Asked if the senator thought the incident was related to the presence of two senators in the buildings, Jennifer Cooper, Mr. Ensign’s spokesman, said the office was still learning details of the shooting.

Kragar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:51:53pm

re: #88 recusancy

Uh oh... Sen Ensign just said that security worked in the building. Is he going to get the same treatment as Napolitano?

The guy never made it past the first security checkpoint in the lobby, so I would say security worked.

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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:52:34pm

From the KTVU report:

“This does not appear to be a terrorist incident,” said FBI Special Agent Joseph Dickey during a news conference shortly after 12:30 p.m.

Dickey said the gunman, wearing black pants, a black shirt and black jacket, opened fire at the entrance of the Lloyd George federal building injuring a Deputy U.S. Marshal and fatally wounding a court security officer.

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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:53:55pm

Debbie Schussel predictably writes:

But while we don’t know yet whether or not this person is an Islamic terrorist, I can predict one thing for sure: if the person isn’t Muslim, liberals and Muslims all over the place will be dancing and singing and lecturing us that, “You see, Muslims aren’t the terrorists.” It’s soooooo predictable, it’s moldy. They do it every single time it isn’t one of them, to overcompensate for the most of the time that it IS one of them.

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Kragar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:55:15pm

re: #100 Thanos

From the KTVU report:

Heard he was wearing a trenchcoat. Sounds to me like he was trying to look cool, had everything played out in his head.

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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:56:29pm

reports on the injured and some eyewitness quotes:

[Link: www.lvrj.com...]

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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:57:15pm

re: #101 Mad Al-Jaffee

And if it's a tea partier who has gone over the edge I'm sure that she will be the first to point out that not all terrorists have to be Islamic by default.

///

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wrenchwench Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:57:38pm

re: #101 Mad Al-Jaffee

Debbie Schussel predictably writes:

But while we don’t know yet whether or not this person is an Islamic terrorist, I can predict one thing for sure: if the person isn’t Muslim, liberals and Muslims all over the place will be dancing and singing and lecturing us that, “You see, Muslims aren’t the terrorists.” It’s sooo predictable, it’s moldy. They do it every single time it isn’t one of them, to overcompensate for the most of the time that it IS one of them.

Just what she needs. An excuse to blame Muslims even when they aren't to blame. She's ready for any occasion.

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brookly red Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:57:55pm

re: #102 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Heard he was wearing a trenchcoat. Sounds to me like he was trying to look cool, had everything played out in his head.

or the trench coat was to conceal the weapon?

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SteveC Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:58:02pm

WTH?

Rick Leventhal on FOX is reporting that a nuclear power plant on the Delaware River is running at diminished capacity because ice in the river is affecting the cooling systems.

Huh?

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andres Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:58:50pm

This is terrible. =(

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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:59:48pm

re: #104 oaktree

And if it's a tea partier who has gone over the edge I'm sure that she will be the first to point out that not all terrorists have to be Islamic by default.

///

Reading that quote, I don't think she said "all terrorists have to be Islamic by default..." did she?

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Kragar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:59:48pm

re: #106 brookly red

or the trench coat was to conceal the weapon?

Or it could be both. Police say they have IDd the shooter, haven't released the name yet.

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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 4, 2010 12:59:55pm

re: #107 SteveC

WTH?

Rick Leventhal on FOX is reporting that a nuclear power plant on the Delaware River is running at diminished capacity because ice in the river is affecting the cooling systems.

Huh?

They can't run hot because the ice stops them from sucking enough water through the cooling towers. A coal plant in its place would likely be affected the same way.

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abolitionist Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:00:59pm

re: #107 SteveC

WTH?

Rick Leventhal on FOX is reporting that a nuclear power plant on the Delaware River is running at diminished capacity because ice in the river is affecting the cooling systems.

Huh?

Blocking water inlets, I'd guess.

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andres Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:01:14pm

re: #68 wrenchwench

There's a bilingual pun in there somewhere with the town's name. I'm not up to it...

Well, according to Wikipedia, the name stands for "large cottonwood" or "fat cottonwood".

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lawhawk Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:01:26pm

re: #107 SteveC

Three NJ nuclear power plants on the Delaware are running at 80% power because ice is on the river and may cause damage to the intakes. The nuclear power plants take river water and use it to cool the turbines and it needs liquid water to make that happen. If the ice gets in, it can damage the impellers and other systems.

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SteveC Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:02:19pm

re: #111 Thanos

They can't run hot because the ice stops them from sucking enough water through the cooling towers. A coal plant in its place would likely be affected the same way.

Now that makes sense. But the way he said it, it sounded like ice was keeping the cooling systems from running. Ice and cooling systems, can't we get these two together?

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Kragar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:02:25pm

re: #107 SteveC

WTH?

Rick Leventhal on FOX is reporting that a nuclear power plant on the Delaware River is running at diminished capacity because ice in the river is affecting the cooling systems.

Huh?

They pull in water from the river to cycle thru the cooling system. If ice has blocked the intakes or affected the pumping mechanisms which bring in the waters, then the cooling of the reactor would be affected.

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brookly red Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:03:07pm

re: #110 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Or it could be both. Police say they have IDd the shooter, haven't released the name yet.

I just hope he was personally disgruntled & that there is no sinister political motive.

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lawhawk Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:03:35pm

re: #114 lawhawk

Correction - 1 shut down, another at reduced power because of ice on the river.

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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:04:30pm

If we just had more power stations dumping warm water in the river, this would never come about...

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Girth Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:05:15pm

re: #115 SteveC

Now that makes sense. But the way he said it, it sounded like ice was keeping the cooling systems from running. Ice and cooling systems, can't we get these two together?

Liquids are more efficient coolants than solids because of fluid motion.

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SteveC Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:05:16pm

Our people were set up.

The suicide bomber who killed seven CIA operatives in Afghanistan last week was a Jordanian informant who lured intelligence officers into a meeting with a promise of new information about al-Qaeda's top leadership, according to two former U.S. government officials briefed on the incident.

Damn.

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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:05:40pm

re: #119 ralphieboy

If we just had more power stations dumping warm water in the river, this would never come about...

About 50 or more nuclear power stations would help right now.

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lawhawk Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:05:42pm

OT: The TSA has reassigned the officer responsible for the problems at Newark Liberty yesterday.

A security officer assigned to the part of Newark Liberty International Airport where a breach occurred has been reassigned.
Transportation Security Administration spokeswoman Ann Davis said Monday that the unidentified officer has been reassigned to non-screening functions during the investigation.

A man walked the wrong way through a security checkpoint Sunday. That caused massive delays and grounded flights for six hours.

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Kragar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:05:59pm

re: #117 brookly red

I just hope he was personally disgruntled & that there is no sinister political motive.

Guess we'll find out. I don't think its personal. A fired employee or someone familiar with the facility would have known about the security better. This guy sounds like someone who went in with some kind of chip on his shoulder, started shooting and ran when he realized what he got into.

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lawhawk Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:08:59pm

re: #110 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

[Link: www.lasvegassun.com...]

A man walked into the Lloyd D. George Federal Courthouse in downtown Las Vegas this morning, pulled a shotgun from beneath his jacket and opened fire, killing a court security officer.

FBI Special Agent Joseph Dickey of the Las Vegas field office said investigators believe the gunman was acting alone when he fatally shot the officer and wounded a deputy U.S. marshal. Dickey said the shooting, which occurred about 8:05 a.m. at the courthouse at 333 Las Vegas Blvd. South, doesn't appear to be an act of terrorism.

Dickey said the gunman, whose name hasn't been released, died shortly after several marshals returned fire. Authorities said the gunman was wearing dark clothing and a jacket with a shotgun concealed beneath the jacket.

The shooting occurred in the building's lobby and the gunman never entered the secure area of the courthouse, Dickey said.

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Soap_Man Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:10:01pm

re: #124 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Guess we'll find out. I don't think its personal. A fired employee or someone familiar with the facility would have known about the security better. This guy sounds like someone who went in with some kind of chip on his shoulder, started shooting and ran when he realized what he got into.

I agree. In addition to what you said, if it was a disgruntled employee, there most likely would have been a more specific target.

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Four More Tears Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:10:44pm

OT for all my fellow geeks: Sting of Warcraft

Two weeks ago, Howard County Sheriff's Department deputy Matt Roberson tracked down a wanted fugitive through one of the most popular games on the Internet -- World of Warcraft. And he got his man. ...

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Kragar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:11:47pm

re: #126 Soap_Man

I agree. In addition to what you said, if it was a disgruntled employee, there most likely would have been a more specific target.

And if it was a specific target who the guy had a grudge with, he probably would have tried to get him in a place less secure than a Federal Court house.

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lawhawk Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:14:40pm

Moussaoui conviction affirmed on appeal. Convicted 9/11 terrorist claimed that government withheld information and that his guilty plea was invalid; appeals court affirmed the conviction.

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Ojoe Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:15:19pm

The Towercam is back in operation.

San Gabriel Mountains of California, Pacific time zone.

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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:16:21pm

re: #129 lawhawk

Moussaoui conviction affirmed on appeal. Convicted 9/11 terrorist claimed that government withheld information and that his guilty plea was invalid; appeals court affirmed the conviction.

So Civil courts once again work in Terror cases... although I wager most of us here would prefer Military tribunals.

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brookly red Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:16:55pm

re: #124 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Guess we'll find out. I don't think its personal. A fired employee or someone familiar with the facility would have known about the security better. This guy sounds like someone who went in with some kind of chip on his shoulder, started shooting and ran when he realized what he got into.

Sounds about right, but when I said disgruntled I was thinking more of someone who was having a case go bad rather than an employee but I guess we shall see.

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Soap_Man Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:17:03pm

re: #128 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And if it was a specific target who the guy had a grudge with, he probably would have tried to get him in a place less secure than a Federal Court house.

Right. But this all assumes the man would have thought that through logically. So we could both be wrong. Could be a guy with a grudge who insane enough to think he could blast his way through.

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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:17:45pm

re: #131 Thanos

So Civil courts once again work in Terror cases... although I wager most of us here would prefer Military tribunals.

I don't.

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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:18:31pm

Maybe some will consider the shooter a hero, like Angela Davis.

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Soap_Man Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:19:08pm

re: #134 Walter L. Newton

I don't.

Neither do I.

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recusancy Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:19:14pm

re: #131 Thanos

So Civil courts once again work in Terror cases... although I wager most of us here would prefer Military tribunals.

Only the right wingers. You have to have a declaration of war to use tribunals. Calling something a War On Terror isn't enough.

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Ojoe Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:20:03pm

re: #131 Thanos

I prefer that illegal combatants be kept in custody until the conflict is over, very probably meaning that they will die of old age while in custody.

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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:20:39pm

re: #137 recusancy

Only the right wingers. You have to have a declaration of war to use tribunals. Calling something a War On Terror isn't enough.

I'm a right winger, I'm cool with the civil courts trying these cases. How do you explain that?

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recusancy Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:21:18pm

re: #139 Walter L. Newton

I'm a right winger, I'm cool with the civil courts trying these cases. How do you explain that?

Only some of the right wingers.

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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:26:08pm

re: #135 Mad Al-Jaffee

Okay, I should have used a sarc tag. I don't think Angela Davis is anything but a criminal piece of shit. But there are many on the left who idolize her.

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darthstar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:26:19pm

re: #139 Walter L. Newton

I'm a right winger, I'm cool with the civil courts trying these cases. How do you explain that?

Actually, Walter, you're far too moderate to be a right winger (and that's a compliment). I may not agree with everything you say, but I do agree with some of it...not that that means you should embrace your inner-Beck, mind you... :)

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drcordell Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:28:19pm

How many more people must die in shootings like this before we start addressing this problem seriously? We must use profiling to give us the best chance of stopping attacks like this. White, gun-owning males aged 25-45 should be strip searched before they are allowed to go near a courthouse. How many of these attacks must occur before we stop handcuffing ourselves with political correctness?

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Charles Johnson Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:29:01pm

re: #143 drcordell

How many more people must die in shootings like this before we start addressing this problem seriously? We must use profiling to give us the best chance of stopping attacks like this. White, gun-owning males aged 25-45 should be strip searched before they are allowed to go near a courthouse. How many of these attacks must occur before we stop handcuffing ourselves with political correctness?

/

You forgot the waterboarding.

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SixDegrees Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:29:41pm

re: #97 Lidane

Doubtful, since the shooter is now dead, and apparently died in a hail of bullets.

It sounds like he was also immediately repelled from the building after getting off an opening volley.

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darthstar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:30:27pm

re: #129 lawhawk

Moussaoui conviction affirmed on appeal. Convicted 9/11 terrorist claimed that government withheld information and that his guilty plea was invalid; appeals court affirmed the conviction.

Moussaoui plead guilty because he didn't think he'd get a fair trial, and was shooting for martyrdom (due to having his head up his ass). It wasn't until after he was convicted that he realized that the trial was actually a fair process and that if he'd not admitted guilt, he might have stood a chance at less than a life sentence.

Expect KSM and the rest to plead 'Not Guilty' in their criminal trials in the coming year, as they've probably (or at least their lawyers have) learned from Moussaoui's trial that bragging guilt isn't a smart defense strategy. But they'll all go down just the same.

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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:30:52pm

Ok, during the last presidential election, it was the everyones fault BUT lousy government regulation (such as the CRA), and Barney Frank etal. was ripping the GOP a new asshole claiming the mortgage fiasco was not brought on by all the clever schemes to get everyone and their grandmother into a house, no matter what the outcome.

Now that the election is over, now that they think the public has forgot who was or wasn't to blame, now we do a 1984 sort of reversal and the truth comes out...

"The Federal Reserve chairman told the American Economic Association that exotic new mortgages and lending to borrowers who could not hope to repay their loans were chief causes of the sharp increase in home prices that ran from the late 1990s until 2006 and whose collapse hurt millions of Americans."

[Link: www.ft.com...]

More and more, month after month, sometimes even weeks apart, I find concrete examples of Newspeak, doublespeak (holding two opposing concepts in the mind as truth at the same time).

It does happen...

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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:31:47pm

re: #142 darthstar

Actually, Walter, you're far too moderate to be a right winger (and that's a compliment). I may not agree with everything you say, but I do agree with some of it...not that that means you should embrace your inner-Beck, mind you... :)

No, I am a right winger, be assured.

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palomino Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:32:16pm

re: #135 Mad Al-Jaffee

Maybe some will consider the shooter a hero, like Angela Davis.

Maybe so, and therein lies the problem: the willingness to exempt normal standards of morality for ideological soulmates.

Oh yeah, the 60s are over (as are the early 70s).

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darthstar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:32:21pm

re: #144 Charles

You forgot the waterboarding.

Waterboarding...in Las Vegas? They'd have to do it in the Bellagio fountains.

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Girth Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:33:22pm

re: #142 darthstar

not that that means you should embrace your inner-Beck, mind you... :)

Speaking of Beck, looks like he told "Operation Flood It" to shut the hell up. The wall on their Facebook page is all kinds of pissed at Beck calling them "birthers."

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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:34:20pm

re: #150 darthstar

Waterboarding...in Las Vegas? They'd have to do it in the Bellagio fountains.

I'm sure Penn & Teller could incorporate it into their act.

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acwgusa Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:34:59pm

re: #147 Walter L. Newton

Now that the election is over, now that they think the public has forgot who was or wasn't to blame, now we do a 1984 sort of reversal and the truth comes out...

"The Federal Reserve chairman told the American Economic Association that exotic new mortgages and lending to borrowers who could not hope to repay their loans were chief causes of the sharp increase in home prices that ran from the late 1990s until 2006 and whose collapse hurt millions of Americans."

[Link: www.ft.com...]

You mean loaning money to people in weird ways who can't afford to pay doesn't work? I'm shocked, I tell you, shocked.

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SixDegrees Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:35:01pm

re: #151 Girth

Speaking of Beck, looks like he told "Operation Flood It" to shut the hell up. The wall on their Facebook page is all kinds of pissed at Beck calling them "birthers."

They got what they wanted - attention. Look for them to escalate their rhetoric now that they know such tactics work and as they try to get even more.

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darthstar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:35:47pm

re: #151 Girth

Speaking of Beck, looks like he told "Operation Flood It" to shut the hell up. The wall on their Facebook page is all kinds of pissed at Beck calling them "birthers."

Sounds like Fox finally got the message that Beck was possibly inciting violence against the President in their name and told Beck to STFU on the birther crap or lose his TV spot. Losing advertisers isn't something any network is willing to put up with for very long.

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recusancy Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:37:10pm

re: #147 Walter L. Newton

Ok, during the last presidential election, it was the everyones fault BUT lousy government regulation (such as the CRA), and Barney Frank etal. was ripping the GOP a new asshole claiming the mortgage fiasco was not brought on by all the clever schemes to get everyone and their grandmother into a house, no matter what the outcome.

Now that the election is over, now that they think the public has forgot who was or wasn't to blame, now we do a 1984 sort of reversal and the truth comes out...

"The Federal Reserve chairman told the American Economic Association that exotic new mortgages and lending to borrowers who could not hope to repay their loans were chief causes of the sharp increase in home prices that ran from the late 1990s until 2006 and whose collapse hurt millions of Americans."

And I'm sure your solution is less regulation.

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Soap_Man Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:37:46pm

re: #150 darthstar

Waterboarding...in Las Vegas? They'd have to do it in the Bellagio fountains.

I used to live there. The water bill was outrageous, too expensive to waste on torture.

Maybe they could invent sandboarding or something. /

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Girth Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:37:49pm

re: #154 SixDegrees

They got what they wanted - attention. Look for them to escalate their rhetoric now that they know such tactics work and as they try to get even more.

LOL. "Operation Flood It" is now "Operation Special Prosecutor" per their Facebook page. Does that count?

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Obdicut Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:37:59pm

re: #147 Walter L. Newton

There's nothing contradictory there, Walter. Do you think those CRA loans are the majority of "exotic new mortgages and lending to borrowers who could not hope to repay their loans"?

Lending practices were irresponsible regardless of CRA; are you saying there should have been more governmental regulation of loan practices?

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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:38:29pm

And did I offer a solution? No, I made a point. So, what's your fucking problem?

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Kragar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:38:55pm

re: #133 Soap_Man

Right. But this all assumes the man would have thought that through logically. So we could both be wrong. Could be a guy with a grudge who insane enough to think he could blast his way through.

Could be some guy who watched the Matrix one time too many.

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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:39:47pm

re: #159 Obdicut

There's nothing contradictory there, Walter. Do you think those CRA loans are the majority of "exotic new mortgages and lending to borrowers who could not hope to repay their loans"?

Lending practices were irresponsible regardless of CRA; are you saying there should have been more governmental regulation of loan practices?

I'm just pointing out the article. I have no solution, it's not my job to have a solution, let Bernenke figure it out. Gee, are you mad that I linked to the article?

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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:40:01pm

BB later.

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recusancy Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:40:43pm

re: #160 Walter L. Newton

And did I offer a solution? No, I made a point. So, what's your fucking problem?

LOL

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Obdicut Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:41:46pm

re: #162 Walter L. Newton

I'm not mad you linked the article. It was, however, wrong of you to claim that the article showed: "concrete examples of Newspeak, doublespeak (holding two opposing concepts in the mind as truth at the same time)."

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Kragar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:41:54pm

Venezuela begins 2010 with electricity rationing

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Velvet Elvis Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:42:33pm

re: #157 Soap_Man

I used to live there. The water bill was outrageous, too expensive to waste on torture.

Maybe they could invent sandboarding or something. /

I thought the traditional desert torture thing was tie someone down on top of an anthill or something.

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gamark Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:43:27pm

re: #15 Gus 802

What a way to start the year and decade.

New year, yes. The new decade starts with 2011 in the Gregorian calendar.

There. I'm glad I got that off my chest.

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Kragar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:45:14pm

re: #168 gamark

New year, yes. The new decade starts with 2011 in the Gregorian calendar.

There. I'm glad I got that off my chest.

Its only part way thru the year 36 KR.

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Four More Tears Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:47:49pm

FYI Erick Erickson will be on the Colbert Report tonight. I'm really looking forward to that.

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darthstar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:48:00pm

re: #169 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Doesn't matter...the world ends in 2012 anyway. I've seen the trailers...the only survivor appears to be John Cusack...

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recusancy Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:48:10pm

re: #170 JasonA

FYI Erick Erickson will be on the Colbert Report tonight. I'm really looking forward to that.

awesome

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darthstar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:50:16pm

re: #170 JasonA

FYI Erick Erickson will be on the Colbert Report tonight. I'm really looking forward to that.

Erick Ericksion...I hope Colbert asks him why he blogs with a porn-name. And he probably thinks he's witty enough to 'handle Colbert'...it could actually be fun to watch.

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Four More Tears Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:51:09pm

re: #173 darthstar

Erick Ericksion...I hope Colbert asks him why he blogs with a porn-name. And he probably thinks he's witty enough to 'handle Colbert'...it could actually be fun to watch.

Colbert's schooled tougher men than him.

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simoom Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:51:44pm

re: #73 SixDegrees

If I were on the Left, I wouldn't be protesting the Tea Parties. I'd be sending them money.

re: #81 abbyadams

I read an article today that suggests Tim Robbins sent Michele Bachmann money. Maybe some of the left has caught on to this idea.

No need to send her money, she's perfectly happy working toward a Tea Party defined GoP for free:

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

BACHMANN: Well, it’s embrace the tea party movement with full arms and hold as many open forums as they possibly can to bring people in and listen to them because the leadership right now is truly coming from the tea party movement because it is disaffected Democrats, Independents, Republicans. It’s really people who love the country and who brace what ultimately has been the mission statement of the Republican Party. If you look at the two parties, Democrat and Republican, there’s no question that the heartbeat of the tea party movement would be more in line with the mission state of the Republican party certainly than that of the Democrat party. So if the Republican Party is wise, they will allow themselves to be re-defined by the tea party movement. And I hope that that will be the case.

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Taqyia2Me Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:51:46pm

re: #166 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Venezuela begins 2010 with electricity rationing

Socialism works everywhere it's tried!
/

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MandyManners Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:52:57pm

re: #166 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Venezuela begins 2010 with electricity rationing

Don't forget that Chavez told Venezuelans to limit their showers to three minutes.

How's that socialism working for ya', Hugo?

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MandyManners Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:53:23pm

re: #176 Taqyia2Me

Socialism works everywhere it's tried!
/

GMTA.

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Kragar Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:53:56pm

re: #177 MandyManners

Don't forget that Chavez told Venezuelans to limit their showers to three minutes.

How's that socialism working for ya', Hugo?

For him? GREAT! For the rest of the country? Not so well really.

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RogueOne Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:56:57pm

re: #143 drcordell

How many more people must die in shootings like this before we start addressing this problem seriously? We must use profiling to give us the best chance of stopping attacks like this. White, gun-owning males aged 25-45 should be strip searched before they are allowed to go near a courthouse. How many of these attacks must occur before we stop handcuffing ourselves with political correctness?

/

You mean like this guy?
[Link: www.examiner.com...]

A United States Circuit Court of Appeals last week upheld the constitutionality of pointing a gun at any citizen daring to carry, lawfully, a concealed weapon in public.

The First Circuit Court of Appeals is the Court just below the United States Supreme Court in the New England states. The case stems from a lawyer who sued a police officer after he was detained for lawfully carrying a concealed weapon while in possession of a license to carry concealed. According to the case opinion, the lawyer, Greg Schubert, had a pistol concealed under his suit coat, and Mr. Schubert was walking in what the court described as a "high crime area." At some point a police officer, J.B. Stern, who lived up to his last name, caught a glimpse of the attorney's pistol, and he leapt out of his patrol car "in a dynamic and explosive manner" with his gun drawn, pointing it at the attorney's face.

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Taqyia2Me Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:59:40pm

re: #178 MandyManners

Thank you, Ma'am!
High praise, coming from you!!!!

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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:02:04pm

re: #180 RogueOne

I think a good gift for the President would be a chocolate revolver.
And since he's so busy, you'd probably have to run up to him real
quick and hand it to him.

-Jack Handey

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MandyManners Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:02:09pm

re: #179 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

For him? GREAT! For the rest of the country? Not so well really.

A multimillionaire Venezuelan businessman, currently jailed in Caracas on bank fraud charges, had been sent to Cuba by President Hugo Chávez to help the country recover from its economic slump and also to spur economic growth on the island after Fidel Castro dies, according to former employees.

In an initial show of his new responsibility, looking for a personal benefit from future business in Cuba, Ricardo Fernández Barruecos gave the Cuban government a gift of 28 BMW automobiles, his former security consultant Luis Castro said in a sworn statement.

Castro told El Nuevo Herald that Fernández, envisioning brilliant prospects for his business in Cuba, also earned the support of Raúl Castro to open up the island's economy after the death of his brother Fidel.

Another former employee of Fernández's organization told El Nuevo Herald that Fernández made several visits to Cuba by private jet and met with then-Foreign Minister Felipe Pérez Roque.

But the close relationship between Fernández and Chávez soon ended.

Venezuelan regulatory agencies in November seized Fernández's banks, companies and properties, accusing him of massive fraud related to his recent acquisition of four banks.

The scuttled Cuba mission is just one of many aspects of Fernández's life that have recently emerged in the wake of the fraud charges.

SNIP

Chávez maintained constant and direct communication with Fernández, a senior Venezuelan business executive told El Nuevo Herald on condition of anonymity because he fears government reprisals.

In 2006, Chávez cited Fernández as a model ``socialist businessman.''

But for some leaders of the opposition in Venezuela, Chávez's admiration went beyond his gratitude for Fernández's support of his socialist program.

They claim that Adan Chávez, the president's brother, received a cut of the businessman's success.

SNIP

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MandyManners Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:03:17pm

re: #181 Taqyia2Me

*blush*

You're welcome.

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gamark Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:08:30pm

re: #143 drcordell

How many more people must die in shootings like this before we start addressing this problem seriously? We must use profiling to give us the best chance of stopping attacks like this. White, gun-owning males aged 25-45 should be strip searched before they are allowed to go near a courthouse. How many of these attacks must occur before we stop handcuffing ourselves with political correctness?

/

Sarcasm noted, but your analogy tends to fall apart when looking at a list of past courthouse shootings. Anyway, the whole profiling thing is a pretty lame tactic anyway. Especially lame is the focus on national origin by the current administration.

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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:14:53pm

Note that I am ok with either a civil or miltrib trial for foreign combatants captured on non us soil. I'd have rather they took place in 2006 when they should have if the slugs in congress had have gotten the enabling legislation right. At present if it's faster now in civil courts, I'm all for that.

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:50:28pm

re: #86 Stanley Sea

From the article:

...The couple's dog, Rocky, an English Pointer, had a 9mm strapped to his side and a sign that read, "Bring it on, Obama"...

Not brave enough to wear the sign yourself Mr. Patriot?

He strapped a gun to his dog?

Why do I find that really disturbing?

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:51:23pm

re: #88 recusancy

Uh oh... Sen Ensign just said that security worked in the building. Is he going to get the same treatment as Napolitano?

No. But I am somewhat more impressed with him now.

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:52:16pm

re: #101 Mad Al-Jaffee

Debbie Schussel predictably writes:

That woman is certifiable.

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:53:09pm

re: #105 wrenchwench

Just what she needs. An excuse to blame Muslims even when they aren't to blame. She's ready for any occasion.

We're talking about someone who blamed Muslims for Tinkerbell wearing leggings, so yes, I think she's fully prepared for all contingencies.

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:54:51pm

re: #135 Mad Al-Jaffee

Maybe some will consider the shooter a hero, like Angela Davis.

If there was a political motive, some surely will. Why are we talking about Angela Davis again?

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RealismRox Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:56:08pm

Just watching NBC news with Brian Williams. They said the shooter was angry about cuts in social security benefits. Not sure what political leaning the guy was, but odds are he's a right-winger (just my best guess).

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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:46:07pm

re: #192 RealismRox

Head over to around 400th comment in the next thread, the complaint is posted!

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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:48:38pm

re: #370 Stanley Sea

Here's the actual case complaint of the Las Vegas shooter-guy

[Link: media.lasvegassun.com...]

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Dr. Shalit Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:06:21pm

re: #1 rwdflynavy

Can't happen, it is against the law to bring a firearm into a federal building.
//

rwdflynavy -

It is also "against the law" to "Spit on the Street" - as my wise father advised me - unless someone sees it AND complains - the Spit is merely "Against the Street."

-S-

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Dr. Shalit Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:14:36pm

re: #183 MandyManners

MandyManners -

If/When CUBA opens up, Its Major Crop just Might Be BIO-FUELS. There are so called "gusanos" in Southern Florida ready to make themselves and the Island rather wealthy on "alternate fuels" let alone the OIL that can be drilled offshore, that we in the US are TOO STUPID to exploit. VIVA CUBA de la FUTURA, otra vez, la Perla de Los Antilles. -S-

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