David Frum is Surprised That Conservatives Continue to Support Andrew Breitbart

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David Frum seems surprised that conservative media helped Andrew Breitbart smear an innocent woman: Shirley Sherrod and the shame of conservative media.

I’m not sure why he’s surprised. I got over being surprised a while ago.

Frum calls Breitbart “the conservative Dan Rather.”

But Joshua Green thinks Breitbart is something much darker.

Breitbart focuses on race. Today’s episode with Shirley Sherrod, who was forced to resign from the Agriculture Department on the basis of a doctored and intentionally misleading videotape (see below), is an especially ugly case in point, calculated to stir the very worst racial resentments. This time the political world—the NAACP, the Agriculture Secretary—moved as quickly as the media world to unthinking response, and I suspect it happened precisely because race was involved. I don’t doubt that the administration’s understandable desire to avoid racial issues played a big part in how this turned out.

But what’s galling to me—gut-wrenching, really, like watching old news footage of blacks being beaten and clubbed at lunch counters—is that Breitbart obviously understood the powerful effect his tape would have, posted it anyway, and then assumed the role of ringmaster, expertly conducting the media circus, fanning the flames. It’s hardly the first time. But the moral ugliness of what’s just happened is glaring, and it’s hard for me to see how the media can justify continuing to treat Breitbart as simply a roguish provocateur. He’s something much darker.

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1 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:08:07pm
Breitbart focuses on race. Today’s episode with Shirley Sherrod, who was forced to resign from the Agriculture Department on the basis of a doctored and intentionally misleading videotape (see below), is an especially ugly case in point, calculated to stir the very worst racial resentments.

Dead on. Nail these bastards to the wall with what they are.

2 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:09:42pm

I hope Andrew Breitbart’s status as someone who should ever be trusted bites the big one out of all of this…

3 Professor Chaos  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:10:49pm

Just watched the replay of Frum on Countdown. Good stuff. Too bad the people who really need to hear it won’t.

4 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:12:43pm

re: #3 Girth

Just watched the replay of Frum on Countdown. Good stuff. Too bad the people who really need to hear it won’t.

////Don’t you know? Keith Olberman is just as bad as Glenn Beck!

5 Summer Seale  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:12:55pm

I posted in a previous thread that I thought that “lynch” was the exact appropriate word to use in this case. And I stick by it. I think Breitbart is a complete and utter asshole but, also, a racist with racist intent. It’s fairly clear he orchestrated this in the same way that false evidence was used against blacks during hanging lynchings. This is no different aside from the fact that nobody was killed (but a life was potentially ruined).

So yes, he’s a racist asshole and Fox is guilty of knowingly catering to his racist agenda.

6 Kewalo  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:13:11pm

Just a note to say thanks for following this. It is so disheartening. In case it hasn’t been posted, here’s a link to the transcript of her speech.

[Link: www.americanrhetoric.com…]

I found it really touching.

7 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:13:22pm

From Frum…

On the phone on the evening of July 20, a friend asked me: “Can Breitbart possibly survive?” I could only laugh incredulously. I answered: “Of course he’ll survive, and undamaged. The incident won’t matter at all.”

There will be no apology or statement of regret for distributing a doctored tape to defame and destroy someone. There will be not even a flutter of interest among conservatives in discussing Breitbart’s role. By the morning of July 21, the Fox & Friends morning show could devote a segment to the Sherrod case without so much as a mention of Breitbart’s role. The central fact of the Sherrod story has been edited out of the conservative narrative, just as it was edited out of the tape itself.

When people talk of the “closing of the conservative mind” this is what they mean: not that conservatives are more narrow-minded than other people — everybody can be narrow minded — but that conservatives have a unique capacity to ignore unwelcome fact.

When Dan Rather succumbed to the forged Bush war record hoax in 2004, CBS forced him into retirement. Breitbart is the conservative Dan Rather, but there will be no discredit, no resignation for him.

Instead, conservatives are consumed with a new snippets-out-of-context uproar, the latest round of JournoList quotations. Here at last is proof of the cynical machinations of the hated liberal media! As to the cynical machinations of conservative media — well, as the saying goes, the fish never notices the water through which it swims.

Yeah, that’s about it.

8 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:14:15pm

re: #6 Kewalo

Just a note to say thanks for following this. It is so disheartening. In case it hasn’t been posted, here’s a link to the transcript of her speech.

[Link: www.americanrhetoric.com…]

I found it really touching.

Yeah, she really come off like a saint in this whole thing.

9 What, me worry?  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:15:05pm

Did Breitbart receive this tape from someone or did he create or find it himself? Not that it matters, but I was listening to Coulter’s little rant and she blamed the person who sent him the tape.

I don’t know a whole lot about journalism, but I thought good journalists are supposed to check out their sources. Not that I would credit Coulter with good journalism either.

10 pharmmajor  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:15:12pm
…it’s hard for me to see how the media can justify continuing to treat Breitbart as simply a roguish provocateur. He’s something much darker

Andrew Breitbart is Lord Voldemort?

I KNEW IT!

11 Four More Tears  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:16:03pm

re: #5 Summer

I posted in a previous thread that I thought that “lynch” was the exact appropriate word to use in this case. And I stick by it. I think Breitbart is a complete and utter asshole but, also, a racist with racist intent. It’s fairly clear he orchestrated this in the same way that false evidence was used against blacks during hanging lynchings. This is no different aside from the fact that nobody was killed (but a life was potentially ruined).

So yes, he’s a racist asshole and Fox is guilty of knowingly catering to his racist agenda.

I’m still not crazy about using that word, but it’s nothing worth fighting over.

12 Professor Chaos  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:16:48pm

re: #4 jamesfirecat

///Don’t you know? Keith Olberman is just as bad as Glenn Beck!

It’s Lawrence O’Donnell tonight. If it were Keith I probably wouldn’t watch. I loved him back in the day on Sportscenter, but his high and mighty schtick on Countdown is almost unbearable to watch.

13 pharmmajor  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:19:14pm

re: #4 jamesfirecat

///Don’t you know? Keith Olberman is just as bad as Glenn Beck!

You’re probably being sarcastic, but you’re right. They’re both different shades of the same hate/insanity spectrum.

14 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:20:13pm

I almost consider the comparison to Dan Rather an insult to Rather. Dan made an effort (half-assed though it was) to verify that the Killian Memos were authentic, something Breitbart would not have done because he knew what he was peddling was pure horseshit. And Rather’s motivations, however wrong they might have been, were purely political. Breitbart’s motivations were racist, bigoted, and hateful.

Rather pushed the Killiam Memos because he didn’t like Bush. Breitbart pushed his hackjob video because he’s a racist bastard.

15 Kronocide  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:23:03pm

my Facebook Usual Suspect right wing buddies are crowing… I’m hammering them immediately.

16 What, me worry?  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:23:39pm

re: #14 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I almost consider the comparison to Dan Rather an insult to Rather. Dan made an effort (half-assed though it was) to verify that the Killian Memos were authentic, something Breitbart would not have done because he knew what he was peddling was pure horseshit. And Rather’s motivations, however wrong they might have been, were purely political. Breitbart’s motivations were racist, bigoted, and hateful.

Rather pushed the Killiam Memos because he didn’t like Bush. Breitbart pushed his hackjob video because he’s a racist bastard.

I agree, but I still think his motivation was the resolution by the NAACP. He was trying to prove they were racist, particularly that Mark William’s “Letter from Abe” flopped.

17 erraticsphinx  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:24:05pm

re: #15 BigPapa

You’d think after being embarrassed by one right wing nontroversy after the other, people would learn.

But nope, they don’t.

18 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:24:24pm

re: #13 pharmmajor

You’re probably being sarcastic, but you’re right. They’re both different shades of the same hate/insanity spectrum.

I think that no one out crazies Glenn Beck.

I mean maybe I’m just a leftist partisan, but I watch Countdown (or at least have for the last two weeks) and I find that Olberman seems to be a lot more grounded in reality than Beck is.

Keith hasn’t compared anyone to nazis or commies yet for example…

19 erraticsphinx  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:25:53pm

re: #10 pharmmajor

Ann Coulter is the Pansy Parkinson in that analogy.

20 Kruk  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:26:33pm

re: #5 Summer

I posted in a previous thread that I thought that “lynch” was the exact appropriate word to use in this case. And I stick by it. I think Breitbart is a complete and utter asshole but, also, a racist with racist intent. It’s fairly clear he orchestrated this in the same way that false evidence was used against blacks during hanging lynchings. This is no different aside from the fact that nobody was killed (but a life was potentially ruined).

So yes, he’s a racist asshole and Fox is guilty of knowingly catering to his racist agenda.

Agreed. It’s time to stop pretending that these people are just “expressing a different view” or “doing what they think is right”, and start calling the venom and hatred being directed at black people the racial incitement that it is. And I fear if this isn’t stopped, we *will* see an upsurge in physical violence against blacks. It happened during the Civil Rights era, and the mood now seems disturbingly familiar.

21 erraticsphinx  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:27:32pm

re: #19 erraticsphinx

No, I meant Bellatrix Lestrange.

22 pharmmajor  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:27:50pm

re: #19 erraticsphinx

Ann Coulter is the Pansy Parkinson in that analogy.

Thank you for out-geeking me with that reference.

23 What, me worry?  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:27:53pm

re: #18 jamesfirecat

I think that no one out crazies Glenn Beck.

I mean maybe I’m just a leftist partisan, but I watch Countdown (or at least have for the last two weeks) and I find that Olberman seems to be a lot more grounded in reality than Beck is.

Keith hasn’t compared anyone to nazis or commies yet for example…

Naw… Olberman is just as big a schmuck as Beck.

Keith’s Nazi salute gets him in hot water.

24 Kruk  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:28:12pm

re: #15 BigPapa

my Facebook Usual Suspect right wing buddies are crowing… I’m hammering them immediately.

What on earth do they have to crow about? This has blown up spectacularly in their faces. (Thanks in no small part to people like Charles who called out the insanity.)

25 webevintage  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:28:56pm

Rachel Maddow.
Brilliant…all over the racist FOX/Limbaugh stuff tonight.

“White people, remember they are coming for you” and they are gonna take your stuff or get stuff that you don’t get.

26 erraticsphinx  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:29:31pm

re: #22 pharmmajor

LOL, no one can out-Harry Potter me.

I think Harpy is an excellent candidate for Romilda Vane (bonus points to anybody who remember who that was).

27 pharmmajor  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:29:32pm

re: #24 Kruk

What on earth do they have to crow about? This has blown up spectacularly in their faces. (Thanks in no small part to people like Charles who called out the insanity.)

Yet another reason to celebrate Charles for doing such a great job. Yes, I disagree with his anti-libertarian stances, but he does good work exposing lies and misinformation that can have damaging repercussions.

28 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:31:52pm

re: #16 marjoriemoon

I agree, but I still think his motivation was the resolution by the NAACP. He was trying to prove they were racist, particularly that Mark William’s “Letter from Abe” flopped.

It was the motivation, but it was more than that. It was, as Summer said here and downstairs, about “setting an example,” about putting “uppity” black folk “in their place.” He wanted to change the narrative, from an organization that has prided itself on tackling racism towards black people calling on the Tea Party to do something about the racists in their own ranks to that of a bunch of black hypocrites saying one thing but practicing another. He wanted to, if not silence them, then at least shame them into not raising a hand to “their betters.”

29 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:32:28pm

re: #23 marjoriemoon

Naw… Olberman is just as big a schmuck as Beck.

Keith’s Nazi salute gets him in hot water.

My computer is having problems with that link for some reason, but even then in a way its a point in Keith’s favor, as I somehow doubt Beck is ever going to get a note about how Fox is concerned about how much Nazi imagery he uses….

30 webevintage  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:33:00pm

re: #21 erraticsphinx

No, I meant Bellatrix Lestrange.

nonononononono
Bellatrix is awesome crazy evil and is offended that any muggle would dare to:
A. even let her name pass your lips
and
B. compare her in anyway to the evil muggle Coulter

31 webevintage  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:33:42pm

re: #26 erraticsphinx

LOL, no one can out-Harry Potter me.

I think Harpy is an excellent candidate for Romilda Vane (bonus points to anybody who remember who that was).

she sent harry the candy with the potion in it to make him like her but ron ate them instead

32 Surabaya Stew  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:33:49pm

re: #20 Kruk

Agreed. It’s time to stop pretending that these people are just “expressing a different view” or “doing what they think is right”, and start calling the venom and hatred being directed at black people the racial incitement that it is. And I fear if this isn’t stopped, we *will* see an upsurge in physical violence against blacks. It happened during the Civil Rights era, and the mood now seems disturbingly familiar.

This will only stop when somebody important gets killed.

When it happens, the MSN will do a 180 and start hammering on the Tea Party and wingnuts, all the while asking “How could this have happened?”

And they will never acknowledge that their silence since November 2008 in covering these motherfuckers played a major roll.

33 What, me worry?  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:34:39pm

re: #28 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It was the motivation, but it was more than that. It was, as Summer said here and downstairs, about “setting an example,” about putting “uppity” black folk “in their place.” He wanted to change the narrative, from an organization that has prided itself on tackling racism towards black people calling on the Tea Party to do something about the racists in their own ranks to that of a bunch of black hypocrites saying one thing but practicing another. He wanted to, if not silence them, then at least shame them into not raising a hand to “their betters.”

Yes, he wanted to peg the NAACP as a racist organization and all the wickedness that comes with that.

34 erraticsphinx  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:34:39pm

re: #31 webevintage

*hands over brownie*

35 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:34:40pm

Continued from the previous thread.:

As the player characters advance into the Ruin of the Harpy, they notice a brass frame containing cutouts of the phases of the moon. It is clearly newer than the Ruin, and the players are drawn to it. As they near it, a figure moves from out of the shadows towards the frame. His name is Berlin Inferno, and he is drawn to its images of the crescent moon.

Berlin Inferno: “This is an Outrageous Rage! The holy Tomb of the Harpy must not be defiled by the crescent moon. Everyone knows that it is a symbol of Islam and thus is EVIL!”

BI begins to smash the crescent moon parts of the frame. He then turns to the players and says “Surely, you agree with me?”.

What happens next is does depend on the Players. If Curious Lurker or another Muslim poster is present, jump to the next section. If not, the players may try to sneak past BI, but this does have consequences. If they do not fight BI, his anti-Muslim hate goes unchallenged and it feeds to Demi-litch PALINDROME, thus making her stronger and the final battle harder. But if the players wish to conserve their strength, they may attempt a Dissembling skill roll at this time. If they succeed, they lie and tell BI they approve of his actions and he believes them. While they cannot take anything from the Ruin, the players are then free to proceed, but at an additional cost of 30 Karma Points each for the lie. If the players decide to tell BI the truth (that he is wrong and a bigot to boot), go on to the next section. Also do this if the skill roll fails, though the players lose 10 Karma points anyway for being caught in the lie and cannot get them back by defeating BI.

36 webevintage  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:35:18pm

re: #34 erraticsphinx

*hands over brownie*

what’s in the brownie?

37 erraticsphinx  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:36:06pm

re: #36 webevintage

Good, good, after Romilda Vane you should be extra wary of special sweets.

It’s just a regular brownie, I swearz!

38 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:36:51pm

It might be time to bust out some of the classic William F. Buckley writings to show future GOP members who are not insane how they need to react to the craziness. Could be an idea for a thread.

“From the GOP Grave ~ by W.F. Buckley”

39 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:37:06pm

LOL.

My new name for racist motherfuckers: Muggles.

40 tradewind  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:37:39pm

re: #18 jamesfirecat
LOL… KO’s out on emotional r& r
as we speak. He’s devastated that Tucker Carlson swiped his domain name.//
[Link: www.politico.com…]

41 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:37:51pm

re: #28 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It was the motivation, but it was more than that. It was, as Summer said here and downstairs, about “setting an example,” about putting “uppity” black folk “in their place.” He wanted to change the narrative, from an organization that has prided itself on tackling racism towards black people calling on the Tea Party to do something about the racists in their own ranks to that of a bunch of black hypocrites saying one thing but practicing another. He wanted to, if not silence them, then at least shame them into not raising a hand to “their betters.”

I think there’s an aspect of that, especially for Breitbart, who I have no problem saying I think really enjoys trying to screw over black folks.

I also think, though, that a lot of this comes out of the basic Tea Party mode, modeled on right-wing pundits like Coulter and Limbaugh, of vicious, angry attack on anyone who dares question or critique them. That aspect takes on racial overtones, but basically, they just fucking hate anyone who calls them on their shit.

42 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:38:06pm

re: #39 Cato the Elder

LOL.

My new name for racist motherfuckers: Muggles.

You should check my mini blog

43 What, me worry?  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:38:29pm

re: #29 jamesfirecat

My computer is having problems with that link for some reason, but even then in a way its a point in Keith’s favor, as I somehow doubt Beck is ever going to get a note about how Fox is concerned about how much Nazi imagery he uses…

It’s from the ADL telling him to stop using the “Seig Heil” salute. They recognized he was trying to prove a point about O’Reilly, but it was offensive.

That’s part of Keith’s problem. That stupid fight with O’Reilly. It got really old, really quick.

On a scale of 1-10, 10 being the most obnoxious, I’ll give Beck a 10 and Olbermann an 8. Keith actually scores a valid point now and again.

44 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:38:37pm

re: #30 webevintage

“I killed Sirius Black!”

45 Irenicum  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:38:38pm

re: #15 BigPapa

That’s interesting. My facebook right wing friends have been surprisingly quite lately. At least over the Sherrod affair.

46 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:39:20pm

re: #38 _RememberTonyC

It might be time to bust out some of the classic William F. Buckley writings to show future GOP members who are not insane how they need to react to the craziness. Could be an idea for a thread.

“From the GOP Grave ~ by W.F. Buckley”

I told America they should have nuked the Russians!
—From the Grave—Barry Goldwater

47 Dom  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:39:30pm

The headline on Drudge Report now is “Race Mess”. I don’t see how this is anything but a racism mess.

48 tradewind  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:39:46pm

re: #39 Cato the Elder
Somehow I don’t think Harry Potter’s parents are going to appreciate that one.

49 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:39:47pm

re: #39 Cato the Elder

LOL.

My new name for racist motherfuckers: Muggles.

It’s the Death Eaters who have the racist ideology. I’m sure Hermione’s parents are nothing like that.

50 Guanxi88  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:39:55pm

As some of the longtermers here know, I used to get all hopped up on politics.

These days, I take a slightly different approach to these matters. Perhaps it’s a function of my new gig, but I keep thinking to myself: “When the way prevails in the land, it is shameful to do poorly; when the way does not prevail in the land, it is shameful to do well.”

I think that anyone can say that the way does not prevail in this land, and that there is no political solution to the problem we face.

51 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:40:11pm

re: #46 HoosierHoops

I told America they should have nuked the Russians!
—From the Grave—Barry Goldwater


whassup ‘ster?

52 Professor Chaos  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:40:32pm

re: #39 Cato the Elder

LOL.

My new name for racist motherfuckers: Muggles.

Nah, I still like racist motherfucker.

53 erraticsphinx  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:40:44pm

re: #49 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m still mad we NEVER get to know more about her dentist parents. Booo.

54 pharmmajor  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:41:10pm

re: #38 _RememberTonyC

It might be time to bust out some of the classic William F. Buckley writings to show future GOP members who are not insane how they need to react to the craziness. Could be an idea for a thread.

“From the GOP Grave ~ by W.F. Buckley”

That or some words of wisdom from the great Barry Goldwater.

55 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:41:11pm

re: #43 marjoriemoon

It’s from the ADL telling him to stop using the “Seig Heil” salute. They recognized he was trying to prove a point about O’Reilly, but it was offensive.

That’s part of Keith’s problem. That stupid fight with O’Reilly. It got really old, really quick.

On a scale of 1-10, 10 being the most obnoxious, I’ll give Beck a 10 and Olbermann an 8. Keith actually scores a valid point now and again.

That’s about what I thought, he’s at least Semi-entertaining/enligthening to watch though I’d want to hear what people on LGF have to say abou anything he brings up.

Rachel Maddow on the other hand….

56 What, me worry?  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:41:12pm

I think Jimmah and Ice should devise a Schmuck Meter :)

57 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:41:17pm

re: #41 SanFranciscoZionist

I think there’s an aspect of that, especially for Breitbart, who I have no problem saying I think really enjoys trying to screw over black folks.

I also think, though, that a lot of this comes out of the basic Tea Party mode, modeled on right-wing pundits like Coulter and Limbaugh, of vicious, angry attack on anyone who dares question or critique them. That aspect takes on racial overtones, but basically, they just fucking hate anyone who calls them on their shit.

All so very true. It is simply hate, pure, blind, high-octane hate. It doesn’t care who it mows down and destroys, so long as the end result is that object of their hate, being naughty in Their sight, shall snuff it.

58 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:41:20pm

re: #43 marjoriemoon

It’s from the ADL telling him to stop using the “Seig Heil” salute. They recognized he was trying to prove a point about O’Reilly, but it was offensive.

That’s part of Keith’s problem. That stupid fight with O’Reilly. It got really old, really quick.

On a scale of 1-10, 10 being the most obnoxious, I’ll give Beck a 10 and Olbermann an 8. Keith actually scores a valid point now and again.

I actually have never seen Olbermann, so I can’t judge this contest.

59 Guanxi88  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:42:16pm

re: #58 SanFranciscoZionist

I actually have never seen Olbermann, so I can’t judge this contest.

Eh, I’ve never been to Belgium, but I’m prepared to run down and ridicule anyone from there, any Belgians in the present company excluded, of course.

60 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:42:17pm

re: #48 tradewind

Somehow I don’t think Harry Potter’s parents are going to appreciate that one.

Harry Potter’s parents were not Muggles. His aunt and uncle were, and they kept him in a closet underneath the staircase.

61 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:42:44pm

re: #53 erraticsphinx

I’m still mad we NEVER get to know more about her dentist parents. Booo.

I always wanted her parents to have dinner with the Weasleys. Given Mr. Weasley’s fascination with Muggle technology, I thought it could be a fantastic scene.

63 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:43:34pm

re: #50 Guanxi88

As some of the longtermers here know, I used to get all hopped up on politics.

These days, I take a slightly different approach to these matters. Perhaps it’s a function of my new gig, but I keep thinking to myself: “When the way prevails in the land, it is shameful to do poorly; when the way does not prevail in the land, it is shameful to do well.”

I think that anyone can say that the way does not prevail in this land, and that there is no political solution to the problem we face.


politics IS the problem. when winning your next election is your number one goal, you can’t do your best because you are wasting energy and brainpower on political BS instead of doing the job.

64 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:43:35pm

If the players do anything but lie to Berlin Inferno, or if their lie is not believed, he will accuse them:

BI: “You’re all a bunch of Muslims and Muslims and Enablers. You have come to bring Sharia to Pulton! Well, I’m here to put an end to You!”

He runs over to one of the braziers, and draws his sword. He then dips his sword into the fire, where it flames immediately shoot from the blade. He then raise his sword aloft and 2D6 Troglodytes burst in to the room. He then turns to you, shouts “Islam Delenda Est!” and attacks.

Stats to follow.

Guess who I’m fictionalizing as the Big Bad tonight.

65 tradewind  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:43:37pm

re: #12 Girth
Countdown viewers get a two-week reprieve while KO tries to figure out the Tucker problem.//

66 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:43:46pm

re: #50 Guanxi88

As some of the longtermers here know, I used to get all hopped up on politics.

These days, I take a slightly different approach to these matters. Perhaps it’s a function of my new gig, but I keep thinking to myself: “When the way prevails in the land, it is shameful to do poorly; when the way does not prevail in the land, it is shameful to do well.”

I think that anyone can say that the way does not prevail in this land, and that there is no political solution to the problem we face.

Why, it almost sounds as if you’re talking about metanoia.

Upding.

67 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:44:24pm

re: #51 _RememberTonyC

whassup ‘ster?

Sorta packing (kindof.).Goofing off..I’m on the road Saturday…Saturday night I’ll post from a hotel in Springfield, MO on my way down south…
How about you?

68 RogueOne  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:44:32pm

Night all.

69 Irenicum  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:44:38pm

re: #56 marjoriemoon

In the last few days the Schmuckometer has been redline and about ready to burst.

70 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:44:50pm

An update, to my mini-blog, also here because it sheds a profound psychological light on certain types of racism. Pardon some background, but this is a fabulous and naked example of self hatred. We see it in Jews and Blacks and all minorities. In this case it involves Hispanics. It is always twisted and always scary to see. It makes the least sense of all types of racism and it is the most virulent.

My mini blog “covered” the most hateful and racist abuse from the stalkers, directed at a Latina woman who was protesting the Az law.

I had written:

More surprising is the Rodent, that Latin man of honor who is happy to see her so abused. He commented that she was

“either white and hating herself or Aztec.”

I suppose that makes abusing her OK in his twisted world. Rodent is actually darker complected and more ethnic looking than the woman in question. He is too stupid to realize that the white supremacists he hangs with think he is just as much a “mud person” as they see her.

Rodent became angry and wrote:

Wow is this guy on drugs! Coldwarrior met me and can tell you I can easily pass for Italian or Greek.I have Lebanese in me so my olive completion. I’m a mud person to Ludwig. This guy is a white supremacist.

This quote by him is very telling. He feels compelled to make excuses for his complexion.

Rodent, there is nothing wrong, or lesser, or bad about not being white. It is not something you should be ashamed of. The people who will call you a mud person are the same ones who will happily deport you. They are the ones you hang out with.

How much must he hate that proud Latina woman who stands up for her people, and has no shame whatsoever about her beautiful, not so white, skin? How he must despise her for boldly being everything he hates about himself.

The worst racists are always the ones who hate their own people and themselves.

71 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:44:59pm

re: #54 pharmmajor

That or some words of wisdom from the great Barry Goldwater.

part of the Reagan gang … good old dudes who did more good than bad.

72 Guanxi88  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:45:33pm

re: #66 Cato the Elder

Why, it almost sounds as if you’re talking about metanoia.

Upding.

Ahh yes, the old turning of the mind. A favorite term of mine. Would that we had more metanoia and less paranoia.

73 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:46:02pm

re: #67 HoosierHoops

Sorta packing (kindof.).Goofing off..I’m on the road Saturday…Saturday night I’ll post from a hotel in Springfield, MO on my way down south…
How about you?

Wish i could recommend something fun to do in Springfield, but nothing comes to mind.

74 What, me worry?  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:46:12pm

re: #55 jamesfirecat

That’s about what I thought, he’s at least Semi-entertaining/enligthening to watch though I’d want to hear what people on LGF have to say abou anything he brings up.

Rachel Maddow on the other hand…

Rachel rocks! She’s really been on fire lately. I don’t really like her show much but I adore her. She’s a little preachy. Maybe she could use a little more humor or maybe some guests or juggle or something… Also, she falls over her words from time to time.

But you can’t go by me really. I rarely watch any of them. Just the Sunday a.m. news shows and sometimes Colbert who is definitely an acquired taste.

75 Professor Chaos  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:46:30pm

re: #65 tradewind

Countdown viewers get a two-week reprieve while KO tries to figure out the Tucker problem.//

Well Tucker can kiss my ass too. He should have retired after Jon Stewart pwned his ass on Crossfire.

76 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:47:06pm

re: #74 marjoriemoon

Rachel rocks! She’s really been on fire lately. I don’t really like her show much but I adore her. She’s a little preachy. Maybe she could use a little more humor or maybe some guests or juggle or something… Also, she falls over her words from time to time.

But you can’t go by me really. I rarely watch any of them. Just the Sunday a.m. news shows and sometimes Colbert who is definitely an acquired taste.

Briertbart juggles?

77 What, me worry?  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:47:07pm

re: #58 SanFranciscoZionist

I actually have never seen Olbermann, so I can’t judge this contest.

It’s like watching Springer. You can take maybe 5 minutes and then you have run screaming from the room.

78 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:47:13pm

re: #74 marjoriemoon

Rachel rocks! She’s really been on fire lately. I don’t really like her show much but I adore her. She’s a little preachy. Maybe she could use a little more humor or maybe some guests or juggle or something… Also, she falls over her words from time to time.

But you can’t go by me really. I rarely watch any of them. Just the Sunday a.m. news shows and sometimes Colbert who is definitely an acquired taste.

If you’re going to watch Colbert you might as well watch Daily Show first as well….

79 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:47:22pm

re: #74 marjoriemoon

Do you ever read Jason Linkins’ Sunday morning show blog round up on HuffPost? Pretty funny.

80 Ojoe  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:47:34pm

“It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced.”

We are going backwards perhaps.

81 webevintage  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:47:52pm

re: #75 Girth

Well Tucker can kiss my ass too. He should have retired after Jon Stewart pwned his ass on Crossfire.

That was a thing of beauty.
Now he has some lame ass website and is left to going though the journolist email by email.

82 What, me worry?  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:48:39pm

re: #76 Walter L. Newton

Briertbart juggles?

It would certainly be an improvement.

83 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:48:52pm

re: #67 HoosierHoops

Sorta packing (kindof.).Goofing off..I’m on the road Saturday…Saturday night I’ll post from a hotel in Springfield, MO on my way down south…
How about you?

hanging out … wife on the road on “bidness” … Red Sox floundering amid a slew of injuries … but NFL Camps are opening soon. Will Peyton sign his deal?

84 Guanxi88  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:49:15pm

re: #80 Ojoe

“It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced.”

We are going backwards perhaps.

plato discusses this very thing in the Statesman. There’s a great reversal in the rotation of the heavens right at the end of the age, when things have fallen into utter disarray. Then, Chronos from his tower sees the chaos and, grabbing the great steerboard of the cosmos, turns the entire thing back around again - back to the golden age.

85 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:49:46pm

re: #80 Ojoe

“It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced.”

We are going backwards perhaps.

Hence why the Right has taken to demonizing the man and his legacy.

86 What, me worry?  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:49:59pm

re: #78 jamesfirecat

If you’re going to watch Colbert you might as well watch Daily Show first as well…

My hubby likes Jon Stewart. He’s been better lately, too, but sometimes he makes me mad.

87 What, me worry?  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:50:16pm

re: #79 prairiefire

Do you ever read Jason Linkins’ Sunday morning show blog round up on HuffPost? Pretty funny.

No I haven’t. I’ll look for it though.

88 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:50:23pm

re: #86 marjoriemoon

My hubby likes Jon Stewart. He’s been better lately, too, but sometimes he makes me mad.

What does Jon Stewart do that makes you mad?

89 tradewind  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:50:27pm

re: #38 _RememberTonyC
And they’d better start polishing their act now, if you believe the polls.

90 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:50:27pm

re: #73 prairiefire

Wish i could recommend something fun to do in Springfield, but nothing comes to mind.

Hanging out exhausted from driving all day…Watching HBO or ESPN blogging here and ordering room service..
/They offer free Internet and expensive beer! Weeee! LOL

91 Irenicum  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:50:42pm

re: #83 _RememberTonyC

Sox def need to pick it up. But they have been hurt by far too many hurts. Ugh.

92 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:51:04pm

re: #76 Walter L. Newton

Walter, I followed yours and Obdi’s suggestion for Neil Stephenson’s Baroque Cycle. I’m not feeling it yet. I may be stuck in my non-fiction/biography rut.

93 webevintage  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:51:10pm

re: #87 marjoriemoon

No I haven’t. I’ll look for it though.

Funny.
Much better then watching the shows….

94 tradewind  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:51:39pm

re: #75 Girth
But he’s so cute. Love the bowtie.//

95 Irenicum  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:51:58pm

re: #84 Guanxi88

A very common theme in ancient cosmogony.

96 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:52:49pm

re: #93 webevintage

Funny.
Much better then watching the shows…

Yep, he saves me the trouble. Plus, he’ll transcribe the dialogue to get to the heart of the matter.

97 Guanxi88  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:53:00pm

re: #95 Irenicum

A very common theme in ancient cosmogony.

Natch. “tis the way of things, after all. How else might things go but in just his way? Note that it takes divine intervention to return things to their right order and place. And if there are no gods?

98 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:53:31pm

re: #83 _RememberTonyC

hanging out … wife on the road on “bidness” … Red Sox floundering amid a slew of injuries … but NFL Camps are opening soon. Will Peyton sign his deal?

Yes…And This is the NASCAR weekend at the Track..Everybody is going to be there..Paulie is doing a huge BBQ…I’ll miss the race..Dang it!
/

99 Irenicum  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:53:32pm

re: #90 HoosierHoops

You better be drinkin’ some Guinness! Grr!

100 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:53:37pm

re: #94 tradewind

But he’s so cute. Love the bowtie.//

He and a friend beat up a gay guy who hit on him in a public bathroom.

101 What, me worry?  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:53:44pm

re: #88 jamesfirecat

What does Jon Stewart do that makes you mad?

Well he really attacked Hillary during the primary. Moreso than Obama. Then after Obama won, he went off on him. I don’t know. Ratings I guess. Also, he hasn’t always been so pro-Israel as I would like. He did support Israel over the flotilla incident if I remember.

102 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:54:23pm

re: #89 tradewind

And they’d better start polishing their act now, if you believe the polls.

they might need to get their asses handed to them in november to get the message that “crazy equals failure.” but they’re NOT getting their asses handed to them in Nov b/c the GOP will gain ground even if it is by accident. So they run the risk of believing their own bullshit.

103 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:54:38pm
“Nonsense! Nonsense!” snorted Tasbrough. “That couldn’t happen here in America, not possibly! We’re a country of freemen.”

“The answer to that,” suggested Doremus Jessup, “if Mr. Falck will forgive me, is ‘the hell it can’t!’ Why, there’s no country in the world that can get more hysterical—yes, or more obsequious!—than America. Look how Huey Long became absolute monarch over Louisiana, and how the Right Honorable Mr. Senator Berzelius Windrip owns his State.

Listen to Bishop Prang and Father Coughlin on the radio—divine oracles, to millions. Remember how casually most Americans have accepted Tammany grafting and Chicago gangs and the crookedness of so many of President Harding’s appointees? Could Hitler’s bunch, or Windrip’s, be worse? Remember the Kuklux Klan?

Remember our war hysteria, when we called sauerkraut ‘Liberty cabbage’ and somebody actually proposed calling German measles ‘Liberty measles’? And wartime censorship of honest papers? Bad as Russia! Remember our kissing the—well, the feet of Billy Sunday, the million-dollar evangelist, and of Aimée McPherson, who swam from the Pacific Ocean clear into the Arizona desert and got away with it? Remember Voliva and Mother Eddy?

Remember our Red scares and our Catholic scares, when all well-informed people knew that the O.G.P.U. were hiding out in Oskaloosa, and the Republicans campaigning against Al Smith told the Carolina mountaineers that if Al won the Pope would illegitimatize their children? Remember Tom Heflin and Tom Dixon? Remember when the hick legislators in certain states, in obedience to William Jennings Bryan, who learned his biology from his pious old grandma, set up shop as scientific experts and made the whole world laugh itself sick by forbidding the teaching of evolution?

Remember the Kentucky night-riders? Remember how trainloads of people have gone to enjoy lynchings?

Not happen here? Prohibition—shooting down people just because they might be transporting liquor—no, that couldn’t happen in America! Why, where in all history has there ever been a people so ripe for a dictatorship as ours! We’re ready to start on a Children’s Crusade — only of adults — right now, and the Right Reverend Abbots Windrip and Prang are all ready to lead it!”

“Well, what if they are?” protested R. C. Crowley. “It might not be so bad. I don’t like all these irresponsible attacks on us bankers all the time. Of course, Senator Windrip has to pretend publicly to bawl the banks out, but once he gets into power he’ll give the banks their proper influence in the administration and take our expert financial advice. Yes.

Why are you so afraid of the word ‘Fascism,’ Doremus? Just a word—just a word! And might not be so bad, with all the lazy bums we got panhandling relief nowadays, and living on my income tax and yours — not so worse to have a real Strong Man, like Hitler or Mussolini — like Napoleon or Bismarck in the good old days — and have ‘em really run the country and make it efficient and prosperous again. ‘Nother words, have a doctor who won’t take any back-chat, but really boss the patient and make him get well whether he likes it or not!”

“Yes!” said Emil Staubmeyer. “Didn’t Hitler save Germany from the Red Plague of Marxism? I got cousins there. I know!”

“Hm,” said Doremus, as often Doremus did say it. “Cure the evils of Democracy by the evils of Fascism! Funny therapeutics. I’ve heard of their curing syphilis by giving the patient malaria, but I’ve never heard of their curing malaria by giving the patient syphilis!”

— “It Can’t Happen Here, Sinclair Lewis, 1935

Nineteen Thirty-Five.

It can’t happen here.

104 webevintage  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:54:38pm

I wish The Daily Show was on this week, but Rachel is doing a great job of doing the “this is what FOX said 24 hours ago and this is what they said today” bit.

Oh and Negrophobia….awesome word….

105 What, me worry?  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:54:46pm

re: #93 webevintage

Funny.
Much better then watching the shows…

I watch Meet the Press, This Week and the a local news show by my most favorite journalist in the world, Michael Putney.

106 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:55:27pm

re: #91 Irenicum

Sox def need to pick it up. But they have been hurt by far too many hurts. Ugh.

they need to do something at the trade deadline …. they have the pitching to hang in there, but they need to score more runs.

107 webevintage  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:55:35pm

re: #100 prairiefire

He and a friend beat up a gay guy who hit on him in a public bathroom.

Really?
I’ve always thought he was a big douche in a bowtie…but I had no idea.

108 Irenicum  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:55:57pm

re: #97 Guanxi88

Among the scientific community it’s been the idea of the self regenerating universe. Also, the multiverses being born of black holes. Fascinating stuff.

109 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:56:09pm

re: #107 webevintage

Lemme find a link.

110 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:56:30pm

re: #101 marjoriemoon

Well he really attacked Hillary during the primary. Moreso than Obama. Then after Obama won, he went off on him. I don’t know. Ratings I guess. Also, he hasn’t always been so pro-Israel as I would like. He did support Israel over the flotilla incident if I remember.

Fair enough.

111 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:56:33pm

re: #92 prairiefire

Walter, I followed yours and Obdi’s suggestion for Neil Stephenson’s Baroque Cycle. I’m not feeling it yet. I may be stuck in my non-fiction/biography rut.

I don’t know how to convince you. But, if you do read it, please read “Cryptonomicon” first… the novel about code breaking in WWII and a contemporary story about setting up a “data haven” in the SOuth Seas… and how it all ties together.

Makes reading the Baroque Cycle more fun, since there is some connections, not any that makes one unreadable without the other, but just some connections that make the whole thing more fun. A lot of people read the Baroque Cycle as a four book set, starting with “Cryptonomicon”. It’s a big commitment, over 4000 pages.

It’s almost like non-fiction it’s so well written. You’ll probably learn more about some history then you would ever in a straight history class or book.

112 tradewind  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:56:34pm

re: #100 prairiefire
Well, really, you’d think Larry Craig would have learned…….//
(I’m sure you have a reliable source).

113 Guanxi88  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:56:35pm

re: #103 negativ

Old Berzelius went to Wash’
a-riding on a hobby,
he’ll kick big business out by gosh!
And be the people’s lobby!

114 What, me worry?  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:56:42pm

re: #79 prairiefire

re: #93 webevintage

I bookmarked Jason Linkin for further study :)

115 PT Barnum  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:56:45pm

Evenin’ Lizards!

116 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 7:59:05pm

re: #64 Dark_Falcon

If the players do anything but lie to Berlin Inferno, or if their lie is not believed, he will accuse them:

BI: “You’re all a bunch of Muslims and Muslims and Enablers. You have come to bring Sharia to Pulton! Well, I’m here to put an end to You!”

He runs over to one of the braziers, and draws his sword. He then dips his sword into the fire, where it flames immediately shoot from the blade. He then raise his sword aloft and 2D6 Troglodytes burst in to the room. He then turns to you, shouts “Islam Delenda Est!” and attacks.

Stats to follow.

Guess who I’m fictionalizing as the Big Bad tonight.

Bravo! So far… *waits anxiously to see the outcome*

117 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:00:45pm

Quagmire!
Republicans Speak Out Against The War In Afghanistan

Liveleak Video

/Ron Paul!
118 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:00:58pm

re: #115 PT Barnum

Evenin’ Lizards!

And evening honcos.

119 Irenicum  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:01:12pm

re: #103 negativ

As long as the line of good and evil flows through every vein, saying “it can never happen here” is the advice of worse than a fool. It is the advice of one who would knowingly excuse every evil in pursuit of an evil “truth.” And no truth is that which would see others as less than human.

120 What, me worry?  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:01:20pm

The cat’s eating the dog food. You don’t suppose he’ll start barking?

121 tradewind  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:01:37pm

re: #102 _RememberTonyC
You have to remember that the sane Republican contingent gets no press.
Which is probably not such a bad thing in this climate.
Obama has time ( two years) to recover, if he tries, but I think it’s all over for this year’s Dem Congress.

122 Guanxi88  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:02:03pm

re: #120 marjoriemoon

The cat’s eating the dog food. You don’t suppose he’ll start barking?

My son hasn’t yet, so it’s probably safe.

123 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:02:25pm

re: #118 Cannadian Club Akbar

And evening honcos.

What’s Kicking Chick’n?

124 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:02:29pm

re: #120 marjoriemoon

The cat’s eating the dog food. You don’t suppose he’ll start barking?

Just look out for him peeing on your leg.:)

125 tradewind  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:02:31pm

re: #120 marjoriemoon
No, but he’ll be seriously disappointed. Way lower in protein.

126 Irenicum  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:02:34pm

re: #106 _RememberTonyC

They def need some good right handers in their lineup.

127 What, me worry?  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:02:44pm

re: #122 Guanxi88

My son hasn’t yet, so it’s probably safe.

hehe I’m supposing he’s a little person, otherwise it would just be weird.

128 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:03:12pm

Stats:

Berlin Inferno Level 26 Hater Warrior

Armor: Steel Plate Armor and Helmet. Blocks all reasoned analysis and reduces all weapon attack damage by 40%. Any attacks doing less than 3 damage are disregarded.

Weapon:

Flaming Sword: 3D6 + 2 damage per successful attack, reduced by half with a save. If the save roll fails, make a second save roll. If the second roll fails, the character is set on fire and is stunned and suffers 15 additional points of damage per turn. This can be ended with save roll (at an additional +2 added to the target number) or with an appropriate spell. Unlike the weapons of Dorkus and Idiot Pundit, the sword cannot be shattered.

Spell:

Summon Troglodytes (every 3 turns): Summons an additional 1D6 Troglodytes into the chamber. This can blocked after the first use by a successful use of Intimidating Blow, or the use of the PWN SCREED spell.

Special: Berlin Inferno’s hatred towards Islam cause him to attack any Muslim character headlong and without restraint. Against most other characters (except Ludwig, SpaceJesus, and Reginald Perrin, who Pwn him) he waits for an opportune moment and then darts in to attack.

Victory: If the Players defeat BI, the Troglodytes lose heat and run back to their Fever Swamp. The Soul Gem is a Diamond behind the brass frame.

Treasure: The Crescent moons the players saved turn out to be solid gold.

129 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:03:35pm

re: #123 HoosierHoops

What’s Kicking Chick’n?

Nuttin’ Mutton.

130 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:03:40pm

by the way …. keith olbermann is being called “the most hated person at MSNBC.”

i know him and worked with him … and you cannot imagine a person of his stature with fewer social skills than Keith has. he is a very pathetic individual, and i say that with a degree of actual sympathy.

131 What, me worry?  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:03:55pm

re: #125 tradewind

No, but he’ll be seriously disappointed. Way lower in protein.

The dog is on a grain-free diet. Allergic. She gets a venison, bison blend. And I think this explains why the cat is freakin huge.

132 Guanxi88  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:03:56pm

re: #127 marjoriemoon

hehe I’m supposing he’s a little person, otherwise it would just be weird.

he’s 3, soon to be 4. Autistic, so he gets away with outrageous stuff from time to time. Of course, having an indulgent father makes it easier for him….

133 webevintage  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:04:02pm

[Link: andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com…]

So Carlson related a story on MSNBC about a time he (and a friend) beat up a gay guy because the man came onto Carlson, but then when people freaked out he was all “nonono this was a guy who assaulted me as a teenager in a public bathroom and my friend and I “held him” until the police came….I love the gays”.

134 Irenicum  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:05:07pm

re: #120 marjoriemoon

I had an amazing cat who played fetch better than any dog I ever had. Nothing’s impossible. He was def a dog in a cat’s body.

135 Guanxi88  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:05:29pm

re: #131 marjoriemoon

The dog is on a grain-free diet. Allergic. She gets a venison, bison blend.

Hell, I should eat so well…..

136 tradewind  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:05:55pm

re: #133 webevintage
Oh, if Andrew Sullivan says so.//
I always trust him since he scooped the entire world on the Palin baby.

137 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:06:26pm

Warning to the Faint Of Heart, Crooks and Liars link about Tucker Carlson’s high school bashing of a gay man:[Link: crooksandliars.com…]

138 What, me worry?  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:06:44pm

re: #132 Guanxi88

he’s 3, soon to be 4. Autistic, so he gets away with outrageous stuff from time to time. Of course, having an indulgent father makes it easier for him…

He sounds cute. My niece used to eat the cat food.

139 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:07:16pm

re: #130 _RememberTonyC

by the way … keith olbermann is being called “the most hated person at MSNBC.”

i know him and worked with him … and you cannot imagine a person of his stature with fewer social skills than Keith has. he is a very pathetic individual, and i say that with a degree of actual sympathy.

I side with ESPN on the whole Keith firing years ago…I refuse to watch Sunday night NFL pregame show because he is on it…Period

140 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:07:21pm

re: #130 _RememberTonyC

by the way … keith olbermann is being called “the most hated person at MSNBC.”

i know him and worked with him … and you cannot imagine a person of his stature with fewer social skills than Keith has. he is a very pathetic individual, and i say that with a degree of actual sympathy.

God whatever

141 Guanxi88  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:07:52pm

re: #138 marjoriemoon

He sounds cute. My niece used to eat the cat food.

A lady-killer, just like his old man. Boy loves him some Mexican girls, I tell you what. take him down to San Anton and the riverwalk, little guy gets whiplash.

142 Kefirah  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:08:26pm

bill o’reilly is now saying that shirley sherrod’s speech requires MORE explanation for some OTHER parts of the speech that might be racist or socialist.

particularly where she says that she’s never seen such mean.spiritedness as was seen over the health care reform, and that it’s not about race, it’s about poor versus wealthy [this is bill’s paraphrase].

now: o’reilly also apologized for not doing his homework. great. awesome. that was at the top of his segment, and he’s spent the rest of the time tearing her down again.

oh, and he took a pot shot at rachel maddow by saying that fox news network beats nbc in the ratings every night. no actual response to her legitimate accusations that fox news is equally culpable.

sorry if this is old news, but livid doesn’t begin to describe my mood. at least now that the nine days are over, i can have a glass of red wine to calm my nerves.

143 webevintage  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:08:29pm

My son used to eat the dog food.
17ish years ago I was a bad mom who let the kid roll about in one of those walker things that I don’t think good parents let their babes use anymore.
He loved the dog food, if he was loose from the playpen (don’t judge me!) we had to put up the dog food.
I need to save that as a “story I tell a future serious girlfriend and/or boyfriend”.

144 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:09:20pm

re: #139 HoosierHoops

I side with ESPN on the whole Keith firing years ago…I refuse to watch Sunday night NFL pregame show because he is on it…Period

i got in a huge fight with him one time because he made one of my female production assistants cry. he ridiculed their work on live TV and humiliated a young kid. i blasted him.

145 webevintage  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:09:41pm

re: #136 tradewind

Oh, if Andrew Sullivan says so.//
I always trust him since he scooped the entire world on the Palin baby.

Ummm
A. it is Sullivan’s blog but he did not write the post
and
B. it has linky things on it to verify said story

146 PT Barnum  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:10:03pm

re: #132 Guanxi88

he’s 3, soon to be 4. Autistic, so he gets away with outrageous stuff from time to time. Of course, having an indulgent father makes it easier for him…

My middle son is autistic. Just graduated from High School.

147 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:11:09pm

re: #143 webevintage

My daughter used to jump so much in her baby holder she would slump over from exhaustion. Amy Poehler’s husband said it was really awful when they start walking.

148 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:11:15pm

re: #142 Kefirah

bill o’reilly is now saying that shirley sherrod’s speech requires MORE explanation for some OTHER parts of the speech that might be racist or socialist.

particularly where she says that she’s never seen such mean.spiritedness as was seen over the health care reform, and that it’s not about race, it’s about poor versus wealthy [this is bill’s paraphrase].

now: o’reilly also apologized for not doing his homework. great. awesome. that was at the top of his segment, and he’s spent the rest of the time tearing her down again.

oh, and he took a pot shot at rachel maddow by saying that fox news network beats nbc in the ratings every night. no actual response to her legitimate accusations that fox news is equally culpable.

sorry if this is old news, but livid doesn’t begin to describe my mood. at least now that the nine days are over, i can have a glass of red wine to calm my nerves.

Yes. He really is a bastard.

149 Guanxi88  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:11:47pm

re: #146 PT Barnum

My middle son is autistic. Just graduated from High School.

Condition gallops, parades, and tap-dances in my family. Every last one of my nephews is, like my brother, autistic. Me? Diagnosed as “on the spectrum”, sonny boy there still non-verbal and prone to ritual and self-stim. Hence, wifey says no more children, as we dare not run the risk.

150 Irenicum  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:11:59pm

re: #142 Kefirah

I hope it’s a fine and mellow vintage. I’ve always tended towards a nice white wine, but a good red, in the right circumstances, is just perfect. What kind are you drinking?

151 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:12:18pm

re: #146 PT Barnum

My middle son is autistic. Just graduated from High School.

WOW … good for you guys.

152 Guanxi88  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:12:52pm

re: #150 Irenicum

I hope it’s a fine and mellow vintage. I’ve always tended towards a nice white wine, but a good red, in the right circumstances, is just perfect. What kind are you drinking?

Night Train Express, in my cup. A fine, domestic fortified Red Wine. Citrusy, with benzene notes. $2.99 for 750ml.

153 PT Barnum  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:13:11pm

re: #149 Guanxi88

Condition gallops, parades, and tap-dances in my family. Every last one of my nephews is, like my brother, autistic. Me? Diagnosed as “on the spectrum”, sonny boy there still non-verbal and prone to ritual and self-stim. Hence, wifey says no more children, as we dare not run the risk.

Don’t blame you, I’m ADD myself, and my youngest is showing signs of some of the same issues I had at his age, but I think now that I’m aware of what is going on I can help him through it.

Larry

154 webevintage  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:13:31pm

re: #147 prairiefire

My daughter used to jump so much in her baby holder she would slump over from exhaustion. Amy Poehler’s husband said it was really awful when they start walking.

He loved his hang from the doorway bouncy thing….I hated when he outgrew it.
Do they still let parents use those?

155 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:14:29pm

Yeesh.

156 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:14:43pm

re: #154 webevintage

He loved his hang from the doorway bouncy thing…I hated when he outgrew it.
Do they still let parents use those?

I saw a parent using one the other day… didn’t fit her real well, and she had to jump really high to overcome her height, but she looked like she was having fun.

157 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:14:46pm

re: #148 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes. He really is a bastard.

Well he did at least end his show tonight by publicly admitting that he was unfair to Sherrod. You won’t see Breitbart do that.

158 Kefirah  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:15:00pm

oh, and you can see his eyes light up as he gleefully discusses whether or not the white house is “afraid” of fox news network, and that they obviously pressured vilsack into firing sherrod in an attempt to manage “blowback.”

apparently the basis of the barack obama brand is that he is “post.racial,” and he is eviscerating his own brand by suing arizona for their laws and having sherrod fired.*

what bizarre doublespeak kafkaesque world do these people live in, where obama’s attempts to stifle a racist.in.practice law [technically the law doesn’t address race directly, it’s in practice that the law becomes utterly intolerable] and the reinstatement of sherrod are signs of RACISM?

*from dick morris, who confuses and irritates and chafes me.

159 webevintage  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:15:30pm

re: #5 Walter L. Newton

I saw a parent using one the other day… didn’t fit her real well, and she had to jump really high to overcome her height, but she looked like she was having fun.

yeah.
thanks.
drink up my nose.

160 Guanxi88  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:15:43pm

re: #153 PT Barnum

Don’t blame you, I’m ADD myself, and my youngest is showing signs of some of the same issues I had at his age, but I think now that I’m aware of what is going on I can help him through it.

Larry

My Bitter Half says much the same thing. “You came through more or less all right. I mean, you’re an insenstive, boring, stick-in-the-mud asshole, but I know it’s not entirely your fault. You can help him, since you’re the only one here who has any idea what’s going on in his head.”

161 Stonemason  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:15:48pm

re: #18 jamesfirecat

I think that no one out crazies Glenn Beck.

I mean maybe I’m just a leftist partisan, but I watch Countdown (or at least have for the last two weeks) and I find that Olberman seems to be a lot more grounded in reality than Beck is.

Keith hasn’t compared anyone to nazis or commies yet for example…

Yes he did, more than once


Google ‘Bushitler’, or ‘Chimpy’

Now, that being said, both of them suck, neither one justifies the other. And this Brietbart dude is on the bottom of the heap, for now, I am pretty sure he’ll be beat out between now and November, by one side or the other.

162 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:15:57pm

re: #155 Charles

Yeesh.

Some people seem to be unclear on what the First Amendment means.

163 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:16:03pm

re: #159 webevintage

yeah.
thanks.
drink up my nose.

Sorry… off to work the overnight shift… yuck… I needed a laugh.

164 What, me worry?  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:16:08pm

re: #153 PT Barnum

Don’t blame you, I’m ADD myself, and my youngest is showing signs of some of the same issues I had at his age, but I think now that I’m aware of what is going on I can help him through it.

Larry

My oldest niece has Aspergers. She was diagnosed with ADHD for years. She’s in college now studying set and costume design. The girl is incredibly talented and does all the ComicCon shows. She has her own fans, too. I’m so proud of her.

165 webevintage  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:16:17pm

re: #4 Charles

Yeesh.

Well did you read it S L O W L Y?
/

166 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:16:33pm

re: #154 webevintage

He loved his hang from the doorway bouncy thing…I hated when he outgrew it.
Do they still let parents use those?

I am not sure. Once they grew out of those things, it is on to other concerns.
My boy had a double hernia two summers ago. We had to wait for the surgery, so I would have to monitor how much of his little purple intestine was slipping out and make him lie down until it slipped back in to where it needed to be.
Joy

167 tradewind  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:16:46pm

re: #137 prairiefire

Warning to the Faint Of Heart

…. that’s the standard disclaimer before any Crooksandliars link.

168 Kefirah  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:16:52pm

and dick morris JUST compared her to reverend wright.

more wine more wine more wine.

169 webevintage  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:16:55pm

re: #12 Walter L. Newton

Sorry… off to work the overnight shift… yuck… I needed a laugh.

That was the best laugh I’ve had all day!
Have a good night.

170 What, me worry?  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:17:02pm

re: #155 Charles

Yeesh.

I didn’t get it, but I think I read it too fast.

171 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:17:24pm

On the “Keith Olbermann is apparently a terrifying personality in his business life ao that means I’ll never watch his show” thing, which seems to be a thing that pops up in the blogstream every so often:

How many of you would refrain from listening to a musician or a band, or reading a novelists’ work, because of their bad behavior to their bandmates? Or to their families, managers, hotel employees…?

That’s what I thought.

172 Guanxi88  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:17:30pm

re: #168 Kefirah

and dick morris JUST compared her to reverend wright.

more wine more wine more wine.

Slivo, my friend. You can’t go wrong with slivo.

173 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:17:37pm

re: #162 Dark_Falcon

Some people seem to be unclear on what the First Amendment means.

Wasn’t it something about all religions but Christianity are verboten and any speech that is not approved by Rush Limbaugh is prohibited?

///

174 Kefirah  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:18:06pm

re: #150 Irenicum

yarden pinot noir 2005. it’s quite delicious, and i just started my second glass.

blame dick morris.

175 Irenicum  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:18:16pm

re: #152 Guanxi88

Oh, the high class stuff!

176 What, me worry?  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:18:22pm

Off to bed. Nighters Lizards :)

177 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:18:45pm

re: #155 Charles

Yeesh.

don’t tell the imam, but our government is wiring that building with cameras as we speak. that SHOULD be the last place anyone would try to use as a “troublemaking base” because of the surveillance it will be subject to from day one.

178 Guanxi88  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:18:50pm

re: #175 Irenicum

Oh, the high class stuff!

Yeah, not the cheap crap I give to company.

179 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:18:53pm

re: #175 Irenicum

Oh, the high class stuff!

Has it’s own song.

180 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:19:34pm

re: #178 Guanxi88

Yeah, not the cheap crap I give to company.

Boone’s Farm?

181 tradewind  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:19:42pm

re: #154 webevintage
They do.
My oldest used to swing alarmingly in mid-jump from point A to point B in his…. laughing all the time. Looking at videos, I can’t believe I let him do it.

182 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:19:47pm

re: #128 Dark_Falcon

Stats:

Berlin Inferno Level 26 Hater Warrior

Armor: Steel Plate Armor and Helmet. Blocks all reasoned analysis and reduces all weapon attack damage by 40%. Any attacks doing less than 3 damage are disregarded.

Weapon:

Flaming Sword: 3D6 + 2 damage per successful attack, reduced by half with a save. If the save roll fails, make a second save roll. If the second roll fails, the character is set on fire and is stunned and suffers 15 additional points of damage per turn. This can be ended with save roll (at an additional +2 added to the target number) or with an appropriate spell. Unlike the weapons of Dorkus and Idiot Pundit, the sword cannot be shattered.

Spell:

Summon Troglodytes (every 3 turns): Summons an additional 1D6 Troglodytes into the chamber. This can blocked after the first use by a successful use of Intimidating Blow, or the use of the PWN SCREED spell.

Special: Berlin Inferno’s hatred towards Islam cause him to attack any Muslim character headlong and without restraint. Against most other characters (except Ludwig, SpaceJesus, and Reginald Perrin, who Pwn him) he waits for an opportune moment and then darts in to attack.

Victory: If the Players defeat BI, the Troglodytes lose heat and run back to their Fever Swamp. The Soul Gem is a Diamond behind the brass frame.

Treasure: The Crescent moons the players saved turn out to be solid gold.

I don’t do games, so I didn’t understand everything, but it definitely sounds like the good have a chance to smack down the haters, so WOOHOO!

183 Kefirah  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:20:06pm

re: #172 Guanxi88

i have gone wrong with slivo during shacharit kiddush club, actually. horribly wrong.

184 Guanxi88  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:20:52pm

re: #180 Cannadian Club Akbar

Boone’s Farm?

nahh. Chateau back bedroom closet. made with welch’s grape juice concentrate, a pound of white sugar, and a packet of red star yeast. Cap the jug with a balloon, and it’s drinkable in about two weeks. It’s safe to drink in about three months.

185 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:20:55pm

re: #160 Guanxi88

My Bitter Half says much the same thing. “You came through more or less all right. I mean, you’re an insenstive, boring, stick-in-the-mud asshole, but I know it’s not entirely your fault. You can help him, since you’re the only one here who has any idea what’s going on in his head.”

but our kids never freaking listen to us anyway …. they all gotta learn the hard way.

186 Stonemason  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:21:08pm

re: #162 Dark_Falcon

Some people seem to be unclear on what the First Amendment means.

This ties into the move around the world to ban the naqib, or, burka. It isn’t the religion that is the problem, it’s part of the religion. The community center can be built anywhere the zoning codes allow, in my opinion, and should be if there is a need for it.

As for the Burka issue, Syria is the latest to jump on the banning bandwagon, which is odd to me.

187 PT Barnum  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:21:32pm

Okay, I know this is completely off topic, but this woman has to have some
extra vertebrea or something..

188 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:22:25pm

re: #184 Guanxi88

nahh. Chateau back bedroom closet. made with welch’s grape juice concentrate, a pound of white sugar, and a packet of red star yeast. Cap the jug with a balloon, and it’s drinkable in about two weeks. It’s safe to drink in about three months.

My dad’s friend used to do that. No kidding. but with grapefruit juice.

189 Guanxi88  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:22:46pm

re: #187 PT Barnum

Okay, I know this is completely off topic, but this woman has to have some
extra vertebrea or something..

She could have anything she wants from me, I tell you what.

190 webevintage  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:22:47pm

re: #17 Kefirah

and dick morris JUST compared her to reverend wright.

more wine more wine more wine.

Dick Morris make my skin crawl…he is just so sleezy.

191 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:23:35pm

re: #187 PT Barnum

Okay, I know this is completely off topic, but this woman has to have some
extra vertebrea or something..

can’t do that in a burka, can you …

192 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:23:40pm

Bill O’Reilly and Fox News are still trying to find a way to shift the blame for the Sherrod story onto Obama. Disgusting.

193 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:23:44pm

re: #190 webevintage

Dick Morris make my skin crawl…he is just so sleezy.

Why? ‘Cause he sucks toes? Or has them sucked. Whatever.

194 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:23:46pm

re: #95 Irenicum

A very common theme in ancient cosmogony.

Lif and Lifthrasir will have children. Their children will have children. There will be life and new life, life everywhere on earth. That was the end; and this is the beginning.

195 Irenicum  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:23:49pm

re: #165 webevintage

“What does the yellow light mean?”

Taxi TV show reference.

196 PT Barnum  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:24:23pm

re: #189 Guanxi88

She could have anything she wants from me, I tell you what.

Me too…Belly dancing has been described as a vertical demonstration of a horizontal intent.

She is definitely a lady. Most of the practitioners of her art seem to be a bit more curvy, which is how I like em. She has to have some serious abs to do that stuff though.

197 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:24:32pm

re: #97 Guanxi88

Natch. “tis the way of things, after all. How else might things go but in just his way? Note that it takes divine intervention to return things to their right order and place. And if there are no gods?

Actually, Norse mythology assumes that the gods will die, but that things will move on, regardless.

198 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:24:50pm

re: #192 Charles

Bill O’Reilly and Fox News are still trying to find a way to shift the blame for the Sherrod story onto Obama. Disgusting.

They got caught peddling a lie, what else can they do besides dig the hole deeper. Admitting they were not only duped, but willfully so, would be almost suicidal at this point.

199 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:24:59pm

re: #186 Stonemason

This ties into the move around the world to ban the naqib, or, burka. It isn’t the religion that is the problem, it’s part of the religion. The community center can be built anywhere the zoning codes allow, in my opinion, and should be if there is a need for it.

As for the Burka issue, Syria is the latest to jump on the banning bandwagon, which is odd to me.


secular regime wants to stay that way … but they’ll still do “jobs” for the iranians if required.

200 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:25:13pm

re: #187 PT Barnum

Okay, I know this is completely off topic, but this woman has to have some
extra vertebrea or something..

Now, see, a beautiful art form given to the world by Muslims!

Do you think they will have belly dancing classes at Cordoba House?

201 webevintage  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:25:24pm

Am I the only one who sees the post numbers going down?

202 b_sharp  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:25:42pm

re: #132 Guanxi88

he’s 3, soon to be 4. Autistic, so he gets away with outrageous stuff from time to time. Of course, having an indulgent father makes it easier for him…

My grandson is autistic as well. My wife and I have done our level best to spoil him and he’s turned into a terrific 14 year old.

203 Irenicum  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:25:44pm

re: #171 WindUpBird

Facts? We don’t need no stinkin’ facts!

204 Nimed  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:26:10pm

re: #171 WindUpBird

On the “Keith Olbermann is apparently a terrifying personality in his business life ao that means I’ll never watch his show” thing, which seems to be a thing that pops up in the blogstream every so often:

How many of you would refrain from listening to a musician or a band, or reading a novelists’ work, because of their bad behavior to their bandmates? Or to their families, managers, hotel employees…?

That’s what I thought.

Some friends of mine actually went out with Tom Barman et al. after a concert. Apparently, they are assholes. Yeah, nobody stopped listening to them, but we lost a bit of respect for the music.

205 webevintage  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:26:26pm

re: #50 webevintage

Am I the only one who sees the post numbers going down?

I mean they stared all over again in the middle of the thread….like this is #54

206 Guanxi88  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:26:30pm

re: #197 SanFranciscoZionist

Actually, Norse mythology assumes that the gods will die, but that things will move on, regardless.

What the hell do a buncha swedes know about the universe? Precious little, I’d imagine. nahh - it’s a great serpent coiling back around, or a wheel in the sky, as it were:

Youtube Video
207 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:26:31pm

re: #192 Charles

Bill O’Reilly and Fox News are still trying to find a way to shift the blame for the Sherrod story onto Obama. Disgusting.

doesn’t Bill work in a no spin zone?

208 Irenicum  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:26:33pm

re: #174 Kefirah

Sounds quite nice.

209 Guanxi88  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:27:24pm

re: #200 Alouette

Now, see, a beautiful art form given to the world by Muslims!

Do you think they will have belly dancing classes at Cordoba House?

Follow-up question: Would they need a towel-boy if they did? (Dusts off resume)

210 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:27:38pm

re: #187 PT Barnum

Okay, I know this is completely off topic, but this woman has to have some
extra vertebrea or something..

Amazing. I think Kilgore would like that. She’s from Wisconsin.

211 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:27:59pm

re: #182 CuriousLurker

It’s a riff on Wizards of the Coast’s remake of D&D’s The Tomb of Horrors. The final adventure mostly takes place on the astral plane of Pluton, in the Tomb of Dead Gods. One of the encounters is in the tomb of a goddess of decay. The goddess is satirized as the Harpy, AKA Pam “Atlas Shrieks” Gellar. Berlin Inferno is a fictionalization of Stalker “Coldwarrior”. I changed the name of the character because ‘cold’ didn’t fit with his weapon. He uses the flaming sword of the Berlin Brigade (in which he once served) as his avatar. I made that his weapon because I felt it would make a scary and powerful boss weapon. Since it was forged in honest service, rather than Butthurt, it cannot be shattered even though its user is corrupted by hate.

212 Professor Chaos  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:28:19pm

re: #207 _RememberTonyC

doesn’t Bill work in a no spin zone?

The whole FNC building is spinning today. From where he’s sitting everything looks fine.

213 Jerk  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:28:31pm

re: #22 Jerk

If all goes as planned, the White House will apologize, the media will realize that they have all been duped, and Breitbart will get the most shit. Fingers are crossed.

Not to toot my own horn, but this was my comment from another thread more than a day ago before A or B came true. I’m still waiting on C, but I’m confident that it will happen. Sometime this week, perhaps?

214 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:28:44pm

re: #130 _RememberTonyC

by the way … keith olbermann is being called “the most hated person at MSNBC.”

i know him and worked with him … and you cannot imagine a person of his stature with fewer social skills than Keith has. he is a very pathetic individual, and i say that with a degree of actual sympathy.

I used to work for Michael Lerner. It would take some convincing to convince me that Olbermann has fewer social skills than he.

215 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:28:56pm

re: #200 Alouette

Now, see, a beautiful art form given to the world by Muslims!

Do you think they will have belly dancing classes at Cordoba House?

doesn’t bellydancing predate islam?

216 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:29:26pm

re: #214 SanFranciscoZionist

I used to work for Michael Lerner. It would take some convincing to convince me that Olbermann has fewer social skills than he.

ther financial guy?

217 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:29:39pm

re: #207 _RememberTonyC

doesn’t Bill work in a no spin zone?

If only, Tony, if only.

218 Irenicum  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:30:21pm

re: #187 PT Barnum

Can I marry her?

219 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:30:40pm

re: #142 Kefirah

bill o’reilly is now saying that shirley sherrod’s speech requires MORE explanation for some OTHER parts of the speech that might be racist or socialist.

particularly where she says that she’s never seen such mean.spiritedness as was seen over the health care reform, and that it’s not about race, it’s about poor versus wealthy [this is bill’s paraphrase].

Jesus, who does O’Reilly think he is, the speech police?

220 tradewind  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:31:02pm

re: #171 WindUpBird
Yeah, I get your drift. For example, I had to close my eyes to Jackson Browne’s treatment of women and his moonbattery to keep enjoying his music.
The difference is, KO has a gig telling us how we should look at the world , current affairs, and political figures.
While some entertainers overstep and do the same, we’re more likely to ignore them.

221 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:31:23pm

re: #218 Irenicum

Can I marry her?

You won’t be able to keep up with her dancing at the wedding. But the rest of us will enjoy it.:)

222 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:31:25pm

The MSM has, to me, proved dangerous since the whole WMD propaganda they spewed daily. This will be no different albeit less dangerous. Breitbart will be guest appearing with David Gregory soon enough and they’ll have a big chuckle about it.

223 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:31:34pm

I made General Tso’s chicken for dinner. It was a bit too sweet, and not spicy enough, but the texture was just perfect.

Next time: less sugar, more vinegar and hot peppers.

224 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:31:44pm

re: #211 Dark_Falcon

Since it was forged in honest service, rather than Butthurt, it cannot be shattered even though its user is corrupted by hate.

Interesting concept there, I may have to use it in a real game someday.

Perhaps in the hands of an Anti-Paladin? Possibly even key to the NPC’s redemption?

225 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:32:08pm

re: #219 SanFranciscoZionist

Jesus, who does O’Reilly think he is, the speech police?

all this will be fodder for the political ads …. the whole thing is nauseating … where did the grownups go?

226 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:32:25pm

re: #211 Dark_Falcon

It’s a riff on Wizards of the Coast’s remake of D&D’s The Tomb of Horrors. The final adventure mostly takes place on the astral plane of Pluton, in the Tomb of Dead Gods. One of the encounters is in the tomb of a goddess of decay. The goddess is satirized as the Harpy, AKA Pam “Atlas Shrieks” Gellar. Berlin Inferno is a fictionalization of Stalker “Coldwarrior”. I changed the name of the character because ‘cold’ didn’t fit with his weapon. He uses the flaming sword of the Berlin Brigade (in which he once served) as his avatar. I made that his weapon because I felt it would make a scary and powerful boss weapon. Since it was forged in honest service, rather than Butthurt, it cannot be shattered even though its user is corrupted by hate.

Okay, now it makes more sense. Loved the Harpy part. ;o)

227 Kefirah  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:32:27pm

re: #223 Alouette

vinegar is the greatest of condiments.

228 Stonemason  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:32:30pm

re: #199 _RememberTonyC

secular regime wants to stay that way … but they’ll still do “jobs” for the iranians if required.

But therein lies the rub, a secular regime shouldn’t care about the religiuos dress of it’s citizens, much like real Americans shouldn’t care about where religious buildings are built. In France it was as much the left wing as the right that called for the banning of a item of clothing worn by less than 2000 people, in a country of over 6 million.

This whole thing is odd to me.

229 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:32:41pm

re: #168 Kefirah

and dick morris JUST compared her to reverend wright.

more wine more wine more wine.

Nonsense. She is much better looking.

230 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:32:44pm

re: #223 Alouette

I made General Tso’s chicken for dinner. It was a bit too sweet, and not spicy enough, but the texture was just perfect.

Next time: less sugar, more vinegar and hot peppers.

MMMMM General Tso’s chicken.

231 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:33:05pm

Good Evening LGF

232 b_sharp  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:33:38pm

re: #149 Guanxi88

Condition gallops, parades, and tap-dances in my family. Every last one of my nephews is, like my brother, autistic. Me? Diagnosed as “on the spectrum”, sonny boy there still non-verbal and prone to ritual and self-stim. Hence, wifey says no more children, as we dare not run the risk.

Similar situation. Aspergers for me and my daughter, high functioning autism for my grandson.

233 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:33:47pm

re: #223 Alouette

I made General Tso’s chicken for dinner. It was a bit too sweet, and not spicy enough, but the texture was just perfect.

Next time: less sugar, more vinegar and hot peppers.

That’s why I hate the America Version..It’s nothing more than a sugar glaze over chicken…

234 Guanxi88  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:35:05pm

re: #232 b_sharp

Similar situation. Aspergers for me and my daughter, high functioning autism for my grandson.

Yep - aspie here, too.

235 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:35:15pm

I’m sleepy and I have to get up early, Have a good night, everyone. (And thanks for the extra entertainment, DF!)

236 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:35:26pm

re: #216 _RememberTonyC

ther financial guy?

No, the demented left-wing rabbi.

237 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:35:51pm

re: #228 Stonemason

But therein lies the rub, a secular regime shouldn’t care about the religiuos dress of it’s citizens, much like real Americans shouldn’t care about where religious buildings are built. In France it was as much the left wing as the right that called for the banning of a item of clothing worn by less than 2000 people, in a country of over 6 million.

This whole thing is odd to me.

are you suggesting the beginnings of a real backlash against the most “conservative” forms of islam? because it does not appear to be an “anti terrorism” thing since syria is a major state terrorism sponsor. Or could this be some small sign of success by our administration and its attempt to wean syria away from iran.

238 Guanxi88  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:36:01pm

re: #221 Cannadian Club Akbar

You won’t be able to keep up with her dancing at the wedding. But the rest of us will enjoy it.:)

Gotta watch that again. Mmmmm…. Sadie.

239 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:37:08pm

re: #233 HoosierHoops

That’s why I hate the America Version..It’s nothing more than a sugar glaze over chicken…

I tried a different recipe, since the previous recipe I was using, the chicken came out too soggy. This time, perfectly crisp, but too sweet.

There are like a bazillion General Tso recipes out on the Interwebz.

I think I will keep this recipe, use less sugar, and more hot peppers.

240 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:37:12pm

Namastey London:

Youtube Video
241 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:37:20pm

re: #237 _RememberTonyC

are you suggesting the beginnings of a real backlash against the most “conservative” forms of islam? because it does not appear to be an “anti terrorism” thing since syria is a major state terrorism sponsor. Or could this be some small sign of success by our administration and its attempt to wean syria away from iran.

Syria’s not cracking down on terrorism…at least the kind of terrorism they sponsor…but they will crack down on religious extremism, because religious extremists might try to take control of the country.

242 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:37:26pm

re: #238 Guanxi88

Gotta watch that again. Mmmm… Sadie.

I love Sade. Just sayin’.

243 Kefirah  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:37:32pm

re: #237 _RememberTonyC

i am more concerned that it’s a way to engender and strengthen ties between turkey and syria, since turkey is trying to become a power player AND is proud of its secular heritage + position between europe and the middle east.

post.flotilla, turkey is sort of a loose cannon.

the middle east chessboard is realigning itself, and i have no idea how it will ultimately shake out.

244 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:38:14pm

re: #155 Charles

Yeesh.

I assume you blocked the fucker?

245 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:38:18pm

re: #239 Alouette

I tried a different recipe, since the previous recipe I was using, the chicken came out too soggy. This time, perfectly crisp, but too sweet.

There are like a bazillion General Tso recipes out on the Interwebz.

I think I will keep this recipe, use less sugar, and more hot peppers.

That is one of two Chinese dishes I like.

246 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:38:26pm

re: #236 SanFranciscoZionist

No, the demented left-wing rabbi.

ah …. Lerner was trippin’ but I am sure your guy had more social skills than keith. Keith is a man who couldn’t get laid in a female prison with a fist full of pardons.

247 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:38:42pm

re: #243 Kefirah

i am more concerned that it’s a way to engender and strengthen ties between turkey and syria, since turkey is trying to become a power player AND is proud of its secular heritage + position between europe and the middle east.

post.flotilla, turkey is sort of a loose cannon.

the middle east chessboard is realigning itself, and i have no idea how it will ultimately shake out.

I think Turkey will mellow out.

248 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:38:43pm

re: #224 wlewisiii

Interesting concept there, I may have to use it in a real game someday.

Perhaps in the hands of an Anti-Paladin? Possibly even key to the NPC’s redemption?

Yes, that works quite well. And since he has a spell, I re-designate Berlin Inferno an Anti-Paladin.

249 Irenicum  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:38:57pm

re: #201 webevintage

It acted up for me early. I just hit refresh, and it’s been fine since.

250 Kefirah  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:39:06pm

re: #247 Amory Blaine

i lift my glass to that. from your lips, friend.

251 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:39:20pm

re: #235 CuriousLurker

I’m sleepy and I have to get up early, Have a good night, everyone. (And thanks for the extra entertainment, DF!)

You are quite welcome.

252 Guanxi88  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:39:26pm

re: #242 Cannadian Club Akbar

I love Sade. Just sayin’.

Hey, if I could give Sadie Sade’s voice, I could rule the world.

253 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:39:43pm

re: #148 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes. He really is a bastard.

The standard appeal that popularity > quality. :p

254 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:39:50pm

Pie Day is coming. What should I make this week? I’m tired of cream pies. Maybe cherry?

255 Guanxi88  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:39:59pm

re: #245 Cannadian Club Akbar

That is one of two Chinese dishes I like.

And the other?

256 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:40:03pm

re: #252 Guanxi88

Hey, if I could give Sadie Sade’s voice, I could rule the world.

Thanks for putting that in my head.:)

257 Stonemason  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:40:09pm

re: #237 _RememberTonyC

are you suggesting the beginnings of a real backlash against the most “conservative” forms of islam? because it does not appear to be an “anti terrorism” thing since syria is a major state terrorism sponsor. Or could this be some small sign of success by our administration and its attempt to wean syria away from iran.

I wasn’t sure where to place it, and then the Syria thing came up. I now see it as a way to control segments of society, the left say it is for their own good, the right say it is a sign of terrorism.

Both are trying to control, and with Syria, control is important I guess, now I need to do some research.
Full disclosure: If there were indeed WMD’s they are now somewhere in Syria.

258 Guanxi88  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:40:20pm

re: #256 Cannadian Club Akbar

Thanks for putting that in my head.:)

It begins……

259 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:40:32pm

re: #244 LudwigVanQuixote

I assume you blocked the fucker?

No, he’s still there. Go ahead and run him through, oh Spanish Lancer.

/riff on the Quixote theme.

260 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:40:37pm

re: #255 Guanxi88

And the other?

Orange Peel Chicken. Extra spicy.

261 Irenicum  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:40:38pm

re: #221 Cannadian Club Akbar

Watch me try. I got me some moves too.

262 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:41:06pm

re: #254 Alouette

Pie Day is coming. What should I make this week? I’m tired of cream pies. Maybe cherry?

Pecan.

263 tradewind  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:41:21pm

re: #254 Alouette
Bourbon pecan. Always a big winner.

264 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:42:12pm

re: #263 tradewind

Bourbon pecan. Always a big winner.

I was just about to add the bourbon part. And if ya won’t drink it, don’t cook with it.

265 tradewind  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:42:21pm

re: #262 Cannadian Club Akbar
/that’s a little scary/
:)

266 Guanxi88  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:42:29pm

re: #260 Cannadian Club Akbar

Orange Peel Chicken. Extra spicy.

A nice one - and just the thing if you’ve got a bit of a respiratory deal going. Qin pi - orange peel - works wonders for that stuff.

me? Beef Mongol style - heavy on the onions and garlic. Boss says it proves his theory that the mongols and the jews are the same people.

267 b_sharp  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:42:43pm

re: #234 Guanxi88

Yep - aspie here, too.

At least my daughter and I have high IQs, my grandson isn’t so lucky and I’m a bit worried for him as he enters high school.

268 Decider  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:43:58pm

Anybody surprised about Breitbart. He is a very obvious racist. That is actually a winning strategy by him and Fox News.

269 Jimmah  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:44:01pm

re: #56 marjoriemoon

I think Jimmah and Ice should devise a Schmuck Meter :)

You never know…

Maybe a smeg-counter, ranging from Slightly Smeggy to Total Smeghead Gimboid.

270 tradewind  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:44:12pm

re: #264 Cannadian Club Akbar
And meant to tell her don’t worry about the kiddies or the teetotalers: the ethyl cooks out, leaves just the bourbon flavor.

271 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:44:17pm

re: #265 tradewind

/that’s a little scary/
:)

Well, we are from the South.:)

272 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:44:22pm

re: #254 Alouette

Pie Day is coming. What should I make this week? I’m tired of cream pies. Maybe cherry?

I bought 12 pnts of blueberries for 8 bucks (woohoo)!!! My wife made a blueberry dump cake and blueberry jam :p

And I made a pig of myself.

273 Guanxi88  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:44:31pm

re: #267 b_sharp

At least my daughter and I have high IQs, my grandson isn’t so lucky and I’m a bit worried for him as he enters high school.

I have private fears (and yet I share them here?) that my son and heir isn’t quite all he “ought” to be, in terms of mental capacity. Boy’s sharp as a whip, but he’s just a little bit off.

Example:

He drops trou and whizzes on his sister’s bed when she denies him access to her tea set, so he can spin the saucers for hours of self-stim.

274 Irenicum  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:44:32pm

re: #235 CuriousLurker

Fare thee well friend and have a good night. The same is beckoning to me as well soon.

275 b_sharp  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:44:47pm

re: #246 _RememberTonyC

ah … Lerner was trippin’ but I am sure your guy had more social skills than keith. Keith is a man who couldn’t get laid in a female prison with a fist full of pardons.

If he’s autistic maybe you shouldn’t take so much glee in his difficulties?

276 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:44:49pm

Mayfields Chocolate Moose Tracks Ice Cream!

Not bad ,, not bad at all!!!

carry on!

277 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:45:29pm

re: #267 b_sharp

At least my daughter and I have high IQs, my grandson isn’t so lucky and I’m a bit worried for him as he enters high school.

Tutors could help.

278 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:45:31pm

re: #276 sattv4u2

Mayfields Chocolate Moose Tracks Ice Cream!

Not bad ,, not bad at all!!!

carry on!

Publix makes a nice moose trax. Honest.

279 Irenicum  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:46:00pm

re: #254 Alouette

Are you trying to make this another sex thread?
///

280 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:46:04pm

re: #278 Cannadian Club Akbar

I’m jealous you have Publix.

281 Guanxi88  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:46:11pm

re: #278 Cannadian Club Akbar

Publix makes a nice moose trax. Honest.

A moose bit my sister. (had to..)

282 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:46:42pm

re: #280 prairiefire

I’m jealous you have Publix.

I can walk to mine.

283 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:46:55pm

re: #269 Jimmah

You never know…

Maybe a smeg-counter, ranging from Slightly Smeggy to Total Smeghead Gimboid.

Smeg….. must be a European thing.

284 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:47:09pm

re: #280 prairiefire

I’m jealous you have Publix.

And their subs rule.

285 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:47:18pm

re: #273 Guanxi88

Example:

He drops trou and whizzes on his sister’s bed when she denies him access to her tea set, so he can spin the saucers for hours of self-stim.

He’ll grow out of it. Unless of course he’s 25.

286 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:47:56pm

re: #282 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #284 Cannadian Club Akbar

Nah, nah, not listening.

287 Irenicum  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:48:02pm

re: #268 Decider

“splainy?

288 celticdragon  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:49:42pm

Reply to a point made in the last thread. Sorry if this breaks any rules here. Not intended.

re: #268 marjoriemoon

Back off Brookly. He didn’t say anything offense. It was sarcasm.

The Mirage fighters were French made and sold to many countries by France, not Israel. Israel bought them and so did S. Africa. The Centurion tanks were made by the British and Israel also bought them.

Israel denounced apartheid strongly during the 1960s, but after the Yom Kippur war (1973) countries were pulling away support for Israel. They began selling arms to S. Africa, but nuclear? Israel has been accused of doing so, but there isn’t any proof.


The South African AF rebuilt their Mirage IIIc fighters up to the new Cheetah standard with extensive help from Israel. Notice how the Cheetah looks just like the Israeli KFIR…which is also rebuilt from old Mirage IIIc’s.

Fun document here from the Guardian an an actual working Israeli nuke weapon sale offer to the RSA from official RSA archives now declassified…!

The upgrade of old British Centurion tanks into the newer Oliphant standard was also accomplished with Israeli know how…and again, the Israelis had practical experience with the same tanks.
The extensive military contacts between the services of both countries is well documented and not at all a controversial subject. It is taken for granted that Israeli offered help…and proven just two months ago that Israeli actually offered working nuclear weapons…to South Africa.

I really could not care less, beyond the interesting to and fro of arms evolution and who has what today. Realpolitik is a fact, and Israel obviously found it in her interest to work deals with the RSA. I can’t imagine that they didn’t have tacit (and behind the scenes)approval from the Reagan Admin at the time, since there were Soviet client regimes on two borders with the RSA and Cuban troops in Angola and Namibia. I have no moral qualms about it, since that was the reality of the Cold war and both sides played dirty and played to win.

289 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:49:48pm

re: #257 Stonemason

I wasn’t sure where to place it, and then the Syria thing came up. I now see it as a way to control segments of society, the left say it is for their own good, the right say it is a sign of terrorism.

Both are trying to control, and with Syria, control is important I guess, now I need to do some research.
Full disclosure: If there were indeed WMD’s they are now somewhere in Syria.

totally agree on the wmds … i have said that for years …

290 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:49:58pm

re: #286 prairiefire

re: #284 Cannadian Club Akbar

Nah, nah, not listening.

My shopping plaza has Pizza Hut, Chinese, Subway and a sports bar. WALKING DISTANCE!!!

291 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:50:23pm

re: #279 Irenicum

Are you trying to make this another sex thread?
///

I am trying to make this into a pie thread, but we can discuss other food too.

292 b_sharp  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:50:42pm

re: #273 Guanxi88

I have private fears (and yet I share them here?) that my son and heir isn’t quite all he “ought” to be, in terms of mental capacity. Boy’s sharp as a whip, but he’s just a little bit off.

Example:

He drops trou and whizzes on his sister’s bed when she denies him access to her tea set, so he can spin the saucers for hours of self-stim.

Sounds like he has his priorities right.

Seriously, he can and will learn coping mechanisms as long as you are there for him. Because I can relate to my grandson better than my wife I made sure I was available to him as much as possible and did my best to teach him things it took me decades to learn.

293 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:51:04pm

re: #282 Cannadian Club Akbar

I can walk to mine.

I can t,, but it takes me half a day!

294 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:51:30pm

re: #291 Alouette

I am trying to make this into a pie thread, but we can discuss other food too.

We’ve been throwing down lamb porterhouses at work lately.

295 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:51:58pm

re: #254 Alouette

Pie Day is coming. What should I make this week? I’m tired of cream pies. Maybe cherry?

Pecan pie. Nothing beats that.

296 b_sharp  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:52:02pm

re: #277 prairiefire

Tutors could help.

We will be going that way. I’m also doing what I can to help.

297 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:52:06pm

1. Cherry Pie
2. Banana Cream Pie
3. Rhubarb Pie
4. Any Other Pie

298 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:52:07pm

re: #293 sattv4u2

I can tOO,, but it takes me half a day!

pimf

299 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:52:14pm

re: #293 sattv4u2

I can t,, but it takes me half a day!

It is a little harder when using a walker, old man.
//

300 Guanxi88  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:52:27pm

re: #294 Cannadian Club Akbar

We’ve been throwing down lamb porterhouses at work lately.

F*cker! I’m here, swilling down Night Train and filling the void in my belly with white rice and soy, and you’re talking about lamb!

301 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:52:28pm

re: #275 b_sharp

If he’s autistic maybe you shouldn’t take so much glee in his difficulties?


do you know keith? because i do. and he has been an asshole to a lot of very good people and burned bridges everywhere. and he is not autistic. he just needs to clean up his tired diva act.

302 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:52:40pm

re: #299 Cannadian Club Akbar

It is a little harder when using a walker, old man.
//

GET OFF MY LAWN , AND TURN DOWN THAT MUSIC!

303 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:52:48pm

re: #295 LudwigVanQuixote

Pecan pie. Nothing beats that.

Just need extra coffee and milk.

304 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:53:27pm

re: #302 sattv4u2

GET OFF MY LAWN , AND TURN DOWN THAT MUSIC!

*Cups hand to his ear* Did you say somethin’? My hearin’ ain’t what it used to be.

305 Jimmah  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:53:47pm

Another hard hitting interview from “The Day Today” with Chris Morris exposing the secret motives of the organiser of a Jam Festival:

Youtube Video

Night all :)

306 Irenicum  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:53:50pm

re: #291 Alouette

I am trying to make this into a pie thread, but we can discuss other food too.

Sounds yummy to me.

307 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:55:48pm

For Sale: Glenn Beck Tears

Brought to you by RWC, Dragon_Lady and newbie Leftwingconspirator.

I think you’ll enjoy it!

308 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:56:05pm

re: #223 Alouette

I made General Tso’s chicken for dinner. It was a bit too sweet, and not spicy enough, but the texture was just perfect.

Next time: less sugar, more vinegar and hot peppers.

Use honey rather than sugar also, it will react differently with the vinegar and make for a better sauce consistency.

309 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:56:16pm

It’s a crazy world alert:

Israel To Send Drone Surveillance Planes to Turkey
By JPOST.COM STAFF
07/21/2010 19:06
Israel is set to send four ‘Heron’ drone airplanes to Turkey in August according to military sources in Ankara, Army Radio reported Wednesday.
According to the report, senior Turkish military officials visited Israel recently to negotiate the closing details of the deal.
The ‘Heron” drones are unmanned aircraft used for gathering surveillance.
[Link: www.jpost.com…]
310 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:56:35pm

re: #308 LudwigVanQuixote

Use honey rather than sugar also, it will react differently with the vinegar and make for a better sauce consistency.

Sounds like a good tip.

311 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:56:36pm

I’ve posted a new item in the pages, A couple of lynchings.
It is not fun or easy reading, and you may want to leave it for tomorrow if you are prone to nightmares.
It is probably the most difficult posting I have ever made here, or anywhere else for that matter.

312 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:57:08pm

re: #276 sattv4u2

Mayfields Chocolate Moose Tracks Ice Cream!

Not bad ,, not bad at all!!!

carry on!

OMG.
I had some of that last time I was in Tennessee.
Can’t get Mayfield’s here.
That Choco Moose Tracks ice cream is some of the best I’ve ever had.
Yummy.

313 Political Atheist  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:57:10pm

re: #307 reine.de.tout

For Sale: Glenn Beck Tears

Brought to you by RWC, Dragon_Lady and newbie Leftwingconspirator.

I think you’ll enjoy it!

Good evening, how are ya?

314 Irenicum  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:57:52pm

re: #307 reine.de.tout

Will it cure my traveling rheumatoid arthritis?

315 Political Atheist  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:58:24pm

re: #314 Irenicum

Will it cure my traveling rheumatoid arthritis?

Not for human consumption… :)

316 celticdragon  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:59:38pm

re: #289 _RememberTonyC

totally agree on the wmds … i have said that for years …

They would have been used. The Iraqis had no problem using them on the Iranians and the Kurds, and we made no secret of our intention of putting Saddam on trial.

If he had them he would have used them.

317 Guanxi88  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 8:59:48pm

re: #314 Irenicum

…..traveling rheumatoid arthritis?

Rejected first name for both the Blues Travelers and the Traveling Willburys, oddly enough.

318 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:00:26pm

re: #310 Amory Blaine

Sounds like a good tip.

I love cooking.

319 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:00:33pm

re: #312 reine.de.tout

OMG.
I had some of that last time I was in Tennessee.
Can’t get Mayfield’s here.
That Choco Moose Tracks ice cream is some of the best I’ve ever had.
Yummy.


I’ll mail you some!

320 Irenicum  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:00:52pm

re: #311 Shiplord Kirel

It may not be right to say “thanks” for the link. But nonetheless thank you for reminding us of what the reality is, even if too many folks don’t want to acknowledge it. I’ll watch it later.

321 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:01:06pm

re: #319 sattv4u2

I’ll mail you some!

You actually could.

322 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:02:22pm

re: #314 Irenicum

Will it cure my traveling rheumatoid arthritis?

It’ll give you a laugh, which is always good for anything that ails you.

323 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:02:23pm

Female prison show on NatGeo. Might find me a wifey yet.
/

324 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:02:27pm

re: #316 celticdragon

They would have been used. The Iraqis had no problem using them on the Iranians and the Kurds, and we made no secret of our intention of putting Saddam on trial.

If he had them he would have used them.

i believe saddam had them and started getting rid of them during the lengthy run up to the war and he thought the UN might save him if they came in and found nothing. but we took him down instead and the world is better off because of it.

325 celticdragon  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:02:38pm

re: #311 Shiplord Kirel

I’ve posted a new item in the pages, A couple of lynchings.
It is not fun or easy reading, and you may want to leave it for tomorrow if you are prone to nightmares.
It is probably the most difficult posting I have ever made here, or anywhere else for that matter.

Oh my god. I’m trying not to burst into tears reading that. Jesus. I really have no words.

326 palomino  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:02:46pm

re: #192 Charles

Bill O’Reilly and Fox News are still trying to find a way to shift the blame for the Sherrod story onto Obama. Disgusting.

O’Reilly and Fox made their choice a year and a half ago: Obama is to be villified and opposed on everything, 24/7. So they continue to attack, Breitbart style. They don’t know how to do anything else because it’s not in their playbook.

327 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:03:05pm

re: #319 sattv4u2

I’ll mail you some!

wow. Wish you could.
yumyumyum.
It is really good ice cream.

328 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:03:21pm

re: #323 Cannadian Club Akbar

Female prison show on NatGeo. Might find me a wifey yet.
/

or a date for keith o.

329 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:03:43pm

re: #313 Rightwingconspirator

Good evening, how are ya?

Hey, RWC - good to “see” you!

330 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:03:58pm

re: #323 Cannadian Club Akbar

Female prison show on NatGeo. Might find me a wifey yet.
/

What’s the name of it?

331 usufruct  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:04:12pm

Mediamatters posted an interview that they conducted with her in which she states her father was murdered by racists in 1965. It doesn’t go into the details of this but it just adds a whole other level of disgust to this whole affair. BTW, in the interview she comes across like a smart and sensitive person just like I assumed she would be. She has really been an A1 class act throughout this. In a more just world people like Shirley Sherrod would be given much more respect and clowns like Breitbert would be ignored.

332 b_sharp  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:04:21pm

re: #316 celticdragon

They would have been used. The Iraqis had no problem using them on the Iranians and the Kurds, and we made no secret of our intention of putting Saddam on trial.

If he had them he would have used them.

I’m sure the US military would also have noticed them being transported to Syria if they had been.

333 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:04:24pm

re: #330 Amory Blaine

What’s the name of it?

Not sure.

334 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:04:31pm

re: #323 Cannadian Club Akbar

Female prison show on NatGeo. Might find me a wifey yet.
/

Poor you.
You must be in really bad shape.
But cheer up - the leak isn’t leaking very much anymore, and it’s almost fixed! (so they tell us).

335 palomino  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:04:51pm

re: #324 _RememberTonyC

i believe saddam had them and started getting rid of them during the lengthy run up to the war and he thought the UN might save him if they came in and found nothing. but we took him down instead and the world is better off because of it.

Maybe, but WMD aren’t that easy to dispose of. What do you think he did with them that left no trace? We searched high and low, and found no trace of them.

336 Guanxi88  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:04:55pm

As I mentioned previously, I’ve got a Chinese funeral to attend tomorrow. Confucius meets Corinthians, as it were - nominally (but devoutly) Christian, these folk are Confucian to the core. Had to cancel EVERYTHING to prepare for the boss’ mother’s death, and have been busier than a one-armed paper-hanger since she died, making arrangements, threatening and wheedling and cajoling folk to go to the service, buying flowers for people who never intended to send them, but who are expected to send them nonetheless, outta respect for the boss and her family. It’s an odd thing, the way Chinese involve everyone around them in everything they’re going through. I’ve begun to pick up the habit myself, much to my wife’s annoyance and confusion.

337 Political Atheist  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:05:19pm

re: #329 reine.de.tout

Thanks for the intro, I was just composing a mention. When I get with LWC and we jam, it’s really creative. He’s a fine writer.

338 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:06:00pm

re: #332 b_sharp

I’m sure the US military would also have noticed them being transported to Syria if they had been.

a lot of large trucks were spotted going into syria carrying “who knows what?” but until it can be proven, it’s just another theory …

339 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:06:43pm

re: #334 reine.de.tout

I’ll be sending you a stoopid question in a FB email tomorrow. Not worth bringing up here. So look for it!!:)

340 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:07:16pm

re: #335 palomino

Maybe, but WMD aren’t that easy to dispose of. What do you think he did with them that left no trace? We searched high and low, and found no trace of them.

Maybe Sadam just never fucking had them in the first place and only pretended he had them because he thought we wouldn’t call his bluff…

Dear god can’t this discussion be over after five years and no nukes?

341 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:07:38pm

re: #311 Shiplord Kirel

I’ve posted a new item in the pages, A couple of lynchings.
It is not fun or easy reading, and you may want to leave it for tomorrow if you are prone to nightmares.
It is probably the most difficult posting I have ever made here, or anywhere else for that matter.

Those who humor the racists out there should burn those images into their memories, since this could be what they are enabling.

Note: I am not, however, saying that those who excuse the racists actually want things like these to happen, but they help foster an atmosphere in which horrible things can happen.

342 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:07:51pm

re: #335 palomino

Maybe, but WMD aren’t that easy to dispose of. What do you think he did with them that left no trace? We searched high and low, and found no trace of them.

biological weapons are pretty small, aren’t they? and there were stories i have read by former iraqi scientists who said they worked on those WMD programs.

343 celticdragon  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:08:13pm

Good night, lizards. Packing tomorrow for a trip with my family to sunny California to see my folks in Yucaipa.

344 Guanxi88  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:08:30pm

re: #340 jamesfirecat


Dear god can’t this discussion be over after five years and no nukes?

Nope. The past isn’t dead, it’s not even over, to quote Faulkner quoting Compson.

345 Surabaya Stew  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:08:44pm

re: #311 Shiplord Kirel

I’ve posted a new item in the pages, A couple of lynchings.
It is not fun or easy reading, and you may want to leave it for tomorrow if you are prone to nightmares.
It is probably the most difficult posting I have ever made here, or anywhere else for that matter.

Nice work, SK. This is important stuff to remember for all Americans who want to improve our nation. We can’t create a new future unless we know where we have been.

346 celticdragon  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:09:12pm

re: #341 Dark_Falcon

Those who humor the racists out there should burn those images into their memories, since this could be what they are enabling.

Note: I am not, however, saying that those who excuse the racists actually want things like these to happen, but they help foster an atmosphere in which horrible things can happen.

Exactly. Boldened for emphasis.

347 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:09:17pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

Actually, it’s even worse than Rather—but for the fact that Rather had even a bigger pulpit.

Anyone viewing an edited soundbite out of context has a responsibility to find the source and see the whole speech, in its entirety.

Rather was handed a complete set of fake documents. If they weren’t a forgery, it would have been meaningful. Of course, he should have consulted a few experts before putting it on the air. Certainly CBS could have afforded a few thousand dollars for an expert consultant, (instead of waiting for Charles to do it for free)

BTW: As a former Adobe person (who was on the original PostScript team), that a/b image Charles made of the document done in Word vs. the original document was 100% proof. There was no way that a typewritten or typeset document from that era would have exactly matched the letterspacing, linespacing, kerning and word-breaks of a modern Word document, even if the font was the same design. Those elements are implementation dependent, even with the same font and metrics.

348 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:09:26pm

OT Sorry: I need to vent, mom now has four different doctors, each one with a completely different prognosis. The latest development is she went to see another neurologist after seeing the one I recommended after web research and a bit of phone survey.

This one has convinced her that she has a unnamed “muscle wasting disease” that probably can’t be treated “but if she comes back every few weeks for a few months” maybe they can identify it and maybe it will be one of the “treatable ones.”

Mom has always been prone to depression and now she has flat out given up, she quit her part-time adult education teaching job, decided that it was no longer safe for her to drive, and only gets out of bed to park in a chair and watch T.V. (well, that and call everyone she even knows remotely and sob into the phone about she probably has ALS (which by the way is a nerve disease, the nerves go, then the muscle, which this is not) and begs them to pray for her.
(Of course everyone knows that the best way to combat muscle wasting is to cease all physical activity immediately while eating Hugh amounts of fats and sugar. (Sorry I know I should have more empathy but it is just too fucking pathetic a drama queen response to garner any respect from me at all.)

Meanwhile Dad is still fighting Liver cancer, going to Chemo treatments every week, living with diabetes, and still keeping a good attitude, he is always up for a “road trip” to get out of the house.

When it was just Dad who was sick it was fine and I was glad to be here to help out, but now I am Mom’s personal slave…and it sucks. It sucks more every day and I have about hit my frustration limit, I’m starting to get snappish and rude, I can’t seem to help it.

I guess I need a friggin vacation, but I’m not going to get one am I? I no longer have any life, any friends, or hardly even ever any time to myself.

ARRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH!

/sorry for all the whining but if I didn’t say it to someone I was going to frickin explode.

349 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:09:29pm

re: #332 b_sharp

I’m sure the US military would also have noticed them being transported to Syria if they had been.

Remember this

Youtube Video
350 Guanxi88  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:09:37pm

Anywho - off to bed, to sleep the sleep of the drunken and disheartened and content.

351 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:09:47pm

re: #343 celticdragon

Good night, lizards. Packing tomorrow for a trip with my family to sunny California to see my folks in Yucaipa.

safe travels ….

352 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:10:10pm

re: #341 Dark_Falcon

I believe many Germans were actually shocked when we showed them the camps, that they had fooled themselves into ignoring what must be going on.

353 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:10:40pm

re: #348 ausador

Prayers from here…

354 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:10:45pm

g’night all ….

355 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:11:47pm

re: #331 usufruct

Mediamatters posted an interview that they conducted with her in which she states her father was murdered by racists in 1965. It doesn’t go into the details of this but it just adds a whole other level of disgust to this whole affair. BTW, in the interview she comes across like a smart and sensitive person just like I assumed she would be. She has really been an A1 class act throughout this. In a more just world people like Shirley Sherrod would be given much more respect and clowns like Breitbert would be ignored.

I don’t agree with her politically, but Shirley Sherrod is a decent person who was put through the ringer to facilitate an attack on Barack Obama. The man who perpetrated the attack, Andrew Breitbart, is the biggest POS in America today.

356 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:13:11pm

re: #348 ausador

I understand your vent, in my case the two parents were sick at the same time, except it was my Dad who was the basket case. The last 10 years of his life, he was convinced he was going to keel over and die at any moment, and he spent those years sleeping, sitting in a chair sleeping except for meals, and being depressed (oh, and worried that the ringing in his ears meant he had brain cancer).

He outlived my mom. Until the very end, I mean 2 hours before she died, she was talking to us, asking about how our lives were going, etc. She had to know she was dying. But she didn’t let us know the pain she was in or anything else.

I urge you to find someone to help you, if only a few hours a week, to be with your mom. You are entitled to your own time. Your mom may live many many more years.

357 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:15:00pm

Nighty all.

358 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:15:14pm

re: #357 Cannadian Club Akbar

Nighty all.

and me too.

359 Surabaya Stew  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:17:51pm

re: #348 ausador

Totally understand your need to vent. Writing one’s problems out can be therapeutic. I hope you feel better.

360 Irenicum  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:21:59pm

re: #348 ausador

Ausador, I have no problem with you venting here. I’ve had similar situations with my own family. I love em, but I still am driven crazy by em. Just to let you know. You’re not alone. My prayers are with you, whatever that’s worth.

361 Kronocide  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:26:17pm

re: #341 Dark_Falcon

re: #311 Shiplord Kirel

I’ve posted a new item in the pages, A couple of lynchings.
It is not fun or easy reading, and you may want to leave it for tomorrow if you are prone to nightmares.
It is probably the most difficult posting I have ever made here, or anywhere else for that matter.

Thank you for posting, very timely. That was serious, solemn, and right to post here and now.

362 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:37:10pm

re: #341 Dark_Falcon

Those who humor the racists out there should burn those images into their memories, since this could be what they are enabling.

Note: I am not, however, saying that those who excuse the racists actually want things like these to happen, but they help foster an atmosphere in which horrible things can happen.

A crucial point. I’m pretty sure Glen Beck did not want a maniac to shoot up the ACLU and the Tides Foundation, but it almost happened.

363 palomino  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:37:18pm

re: #342 _RememberTonyC

biological weapons are pretty small, aren’t they? and there were stories i have read by former iraqi scientists who said they worked on those WMD programs.

Maybe, but I hope we learned some sort of lesson from Iraq regarding invasions without hard evidence. Justifications after the fact may weaken the lesson we should have learned.

364 blueraven  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:50:01pm

re: #65 tradewind

Countdown viewers get a two-week reprieve while KO tries to figure out the Tucker problem.//

Tucker is a brat.//

365 Macha  Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:45:27pm

re: #311 Shiplord Kirel

I’ve posted a new item in the pages, A couple of lynchings.
It is not fun or easy reading, and you may want to leave it for tomorrow if you are prone to nightmares.
It is probably the most difficult posting I have ever made here, or anywhere else for that matter.

I just finished reading your page on the lynchings. Anyone who thinks it can’t happen again is a fool. The ugly malignancy of racism in our country has grown legs and needs to be called out and cut down where ever we see it occurring. Thank you for having the strength to post it.

366 ClaudeMonet  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:49:36am

re: #348 ausador

I agree with reine. Take some time for yourself. Tell your parents, “I’m going to dinner and a movie with the friends I rarely get to see anymore. I won’t have my cell phone. I am not telling you where I’ll be. Don’t try to make me feel guilty about trying to preserve my own sanity.”

Then do it.

367 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:10:34am

Posted at Frum Forum:

Breitbart’s unethical and fraudulent conduct is not excused by the administration’s failure to follow basic principles of natural justice prior to constructively dismissing an employee, and the NAACP’s rush to judgment without bothering to view the entire tape or to speak to the victim. Those who would give Breitbart a pass are complicit in his disgraceful behaviour and are no better than he.
368 garhighway  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:44:26am

re: #101 marjoriemoon

Well he really attacked Hillary during the primary. Moreso than Obama. Then after Obama won, he went off on him. I don’t know. Ratings I guess. Also, he hasn’t always been so pro-Israel as I would like. He did support Israel over the flotilla incident if I remember.

You get that he’s a comedian, right?

369 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:00:42am

re: #101 marjoriemoon

Well he really attacked Hillary during the primary. Moreso than Obama. Then after Obama won, he went off on him. I don’t know. Ratings I guess. Also, he hasn’t always been so pro-Israel as I would like. He did support Israel over the flotilla incident if I remember.

Hillary started the birther meme, among other derange ODS memes, during the DNC primaries, in a desperate attempt to discredit Obama. In the process, she provided political cover for the broader birther movement during its infancy.

She deserved everything she got during the primaries.

370 Ming  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 2:51:03pm

David Frum will probably be “surprised” when Sarah Palin is the Republican nominee for President (or Vice President) in 2012.
Actually, I often agree with David Frum, but he really should know some of these people on the far right better than to be “surprised” that Andrew Breitbart continues to receive significant “conservative” support.


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