Fox News is now disavowing all responsibility for promoting the right wing lynching of Shirley Sherrod, and ranting instead about the Obama administration jumping to conclusions. Rachel Maddow shows what a difference 24 hours makes.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:09:25pm |
With the race 2/3rds of the way done, we here at Box News confidently predict that its going to end in a laugher!
Who did this turtle think he was believing that “slow and steady” would win a race?
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:15:46pm |
Man, I hadn’t watched it before. Vilsack really did get grovelly.
Rachel treats things like this so well. She expresses anger with firmness and not wildness.
“You did spell everything right, guys, so good job”.
And as has already been said: I hope those of you who still felt there was really something to ACORN reconsider it in the light of what a conman Brietbart is.
Also: Is FOX News really like this? Jesus Christ. It’s like professional wrestling, but with less soul.
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Kronocide Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:16:52pm |
We are living the beauty of New Media right now and over the last two days. Thanks to Captain Johnson for his stewardship. By being part of this community and being involved in the discussion and review, I feel like I’m actually doing something.
Working my 8 and coming home to the 6 O’Clock news just doesn’t feel like much any more.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:17:15pm |
All the natural movements of the soul are controlled by laws analogous to those of physical gravity. Grace is the only exception.
-Simone Weil
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jamesfirecat Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:21:39pm |
By the way people I don’t normally tattle, but I only just noticed this one flying under the radar….
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
Is he saying what I think he’s saying?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:21:59pm |
This is a thing of beauty. How many times have we heard or seen some wingnut come out screaming something only to have minutes later hear the twit say the exact opposite as if the first false BS never was even said?
It is not just the utter stupidity of it.
It is the utter contempt for the intellect that these people hold others in.
Of course given the number of idiots who buy this shit hook line and sinker, we can really have no doubt where that contempt comes from.
At this point, anyone who believes Fox news for anything at face value is to be counted as a moron himself. No questions asked, you have prima facia evidence that yes, they really are utterly stupid. Only stupid people can be lied to in ways that don’t add up, in utterly transparent ways, followed with flip flops happening at kHz frequencies, and still not notice.
Fox news watcher = moron. No two ways.
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mikhailtheplumber Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:23:07pm |
I really wish other news networks would grill FOX about this. I can’t believe that the most viewed “news” channel can get away with this without a retraction or apology.
And I refuse to accept that Breitbart will come out of it smelling of flowers, when he’s a sick twisted SOB.
… and yet…
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Lidane Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:23:23pm |
Thank you, Rachel Maddow, for continuing to expose these cretins. You’re doing us all a public service.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:24:18pm |
And for those her or on other blogs who made fun of my D&D riff: fine. It’s intended to be somewhat silly, and if it doesn’t work for you and you want to mock it, that’s OK. I enjoy gaming and sometimes I use it for material for commentary. I never have claimed it to be cool, its just something I enjoy.
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jaunte Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:25:53pm |
re: #10 jaunte
Rather, I think we know what he’s thinking, even if he can’t write it.
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Targetpractice Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:25:58pm |
And now, of course, Faux will do one of two things:
- Drop the story like it’s hot and claim that anybody who keeps calling them on their part are “unable to let go.” That anybody calling on them to admit they pushed a bogus story is trying to ignore the latest “outrageous outrage” and no doubt it being pushed by the White House to take attention off a “very real problem.”
- Get “outraged” that people don’t see that they are just as much “victims” as the NAACP and USDA were for being duped by such a devious con-man. Who is this man capable of fooling such a bastion of forthrightness and journalistic integrity? We don’t know, but we’re sure that he’s an evil, hateful man…in the Obama Administration.
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Irenicum Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:27:38pm |
May Faux News stew in its own shit forever. They deserve nothing less.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:27:54pm |
re: #12 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
And now, of course, Faux will do one of two things:
- Drop the story like it’s hot and claim that anybody who keeps calling them on their part are “unable to let go.” That anybody calling on them to admit they pushed a bogus story is trying to ignore the latest “outrageous outrage” and no doubt it being pushed by the White House to take attention off a “very real problem.”
- Get “outraged” that people don’t see that they are just as much “victims” as the NAACP and USDA were for being duped by such a devious con-man. Who is this man capable of fooling such a bastion of forthrightness and journalistic integrity? We don’t know, but we’re sure that he’s an evil, hateful man…in the Obama Administration.
Or they could do C: All of the above, or D: Ron Paul.
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Nick Schroeder Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:28:03pm |
Maddow was great tonight. The juxtaposition of Fox News yesterday versus Fox News today was, while not at all surprising, utterly mind boggling.
Somewhere inside me there are (almost entirely fiscal) conservative principles. The American Right Wing makes it impossible for me to enumerate them, because to do so would associate me with them to some slight degree, and that would be too shameful.
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PT Barnum Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:29:05pm |
re: #9 Dark_Falcon
And for those her or on other blogs who made fun of my D&D riff: fine. It’s intended to be somewhat silly, and if it doesn’t work for you and you want to mock it, that’s OK. I enjoy gaming and sometimes I use it for material for commentary. I never have claimed it to be cool, its just something I enjoy.
It’s all good. I wish I lived somewhere where I could find a good group to game with. Although WoW took its place for a while, it proved to be way too much of a time sink.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:30:27pm |
re: #16 PT Barnum
It’s all good. I wish I lived somewhere where I could find a good group to game with. Although WoW took its place for a while, it proved to be way too much of a time sink.
Where do you live (generally) and what do you enjoy playing?
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Kefirah Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:30:30pm |
bill o’reilly took his shots at maddow tonight:
“well, we beat your network in the ratings.”
good, constructive defense, mr. o’reilly.
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b_sharp Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:30:31pm |
re: #9 Dark_Falcon
And for those her or on other blogs who made fun of my D&D riff: fine. It’s intended to be somewhat silly, and if it doesn’t work for you and you want to mock it, that’s OK. I enjoy gaming and sometimes I use it for material for commentary. I never have claimed it to be cool, its just something I enjoy.
Stop apologizing, there is absolutely no need. You enjoy it, others find it interesting, that’s all that counts.
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b_sharp Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:31:47pm |
re: #18 Kefirah
bill o’reilly took his shots at maddow tonight:
“well, we beat your network in the ratings.”
good, constructive defense, mr. o’reilly.
O’Rlly is logic impaired.
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PT Barnum Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:34:14pm |
re: #17 Dark_Falcon
Where do you live (generally) and what do you enjoy playing?
out in the wilds of Iowa. I am an old school D&D er ( I started playing in 77) and so preferred the simpler game mechanics of the 1st edition of AD&D. Best set of rules that match the feel is
Basic Fantasy Role Playing. Best part is the rule set is open license so it won’t break the budget. I’ve explored doing something with an online virtual table top (I prefer to DM) but haven’t gotten beyond the playing around stage.
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Nick Schroeder Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:34:35pm |
And regarding David Frum…. I’d go easy on him. He’s reluctantly made the leap out from the herd of faithful sheep. Sure, it was initiated with a swift kick after he accidentally had a rational thought and was promptly ejected, but he does seem like he’s trying to expand his opinion, and he’s not a complete moron.
He needs to apologize for a bunch of Bush speeches that were a slap in the face to anyone with a shred of intellect, but his stuff lately, and especially since he’s been purged from the Republican thinktanks, hasn’t been horrible.
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Targetpractice Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:35:46pm |
re: #18 Kefirah
bill o’reilly took his shots at maddow tonight:
“well, we beat your network in the ratings.”
good, constructive defense, mr. o’reilly.
Personally, Mr. O’Reilly, I don’t know which is scarier: That there are that many idiots in this country or that a lot of them vote.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:36:14pm |
re: #19 b_sharp
Stop apologizing, there is absolutely no need. You enjoy it, others find it interesting, that’s all that counts.
I’m not apologizing. I’m just saying that I expect to take flak over it, since board gaming is something of an esoteric hobby, and that the flak doesn’t bother me. Tonight’s post were just my way of getting over my last sales call of the day. The call went well from a business perspective, but the customer told me story of just how bad some things have gotten and it left angry about the foolishness in the world (I cannot give any specifics due to customer privacy). I used fiction as an escape.
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PT Barnum Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:36:49pm |
I’m watching Man V Food. I’m glad he takes on all those eating challenges so I don’t have to..
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:37:05pm |
re: #18 Kefirah
bill o’reilly took his shots at maddow tonight:
“well, we beat your network in the ratings.”
good, constructive defense, mr. o’reilly.
Bill O’Reilly is an intellectual ant compared to Maddow, just a blunt object
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:37:09pm |
re: #8 Lidane
Thank you, Rachel Maddow, for continuing to expose these cretins. You’re doing us all a public service.
I actually think that Charles was the first one on this story, before anyone else. If he wasn’t, he missed by minutes. Charles deserves a ton of credit.
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Nimed Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:37:16pm |
re: #9 Dark_Falcon
And for those her or on other blogs who made fun of my D&D riff: fine. It’s intended to be somewhat silly, and if it doesn’t work for you and you want to mock it, that’s OK. I enjoy gaming and sometimes I use it for material for commentary. I never have claimed it to be cool, its just something I enjoy.
You go girl!
(seriously, I’m with you)
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PT Barnum Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:38:32pm |
re: #24 Dark_Falcon
So what are you selling these days? I know you were working for Verizon at one time.
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Not Approved By The MPAA Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:38:48pm |
Hello, Reine…
RWC suggested I say hi in “person”, so to speak! Glad you liked the Beck satire. Knowing RWC and DragonLady as I do — and given the state of politics and punditry in our society — I am sure there will be more to come. Someone once asked John Cleese of Monty Python where he and his cohorts found the inspiration for their work and he said one only has to open the newspaper to find an endless source of comedy and satire…
Cheers!
LWC
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Irenicum Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:39:29pm |
Just got done watching Rachel’s piece. God bless Rachel Maddow. Rachel for President.
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Interesting Times Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:39:31pm |
re: #2 Obdicut
Also: Is FOX News really like this? Jesus Christ. It’s like professional wrestling, but with less soul.
Worse even than that - they have an utter, complete, profound, unmitigated, seething CONTEMPT for their audience. I can’t dig up the link right now due to my horribly slow home Internet connection, but go to www.thedailyshow.com and search for “Gretchen Carlson” - that segment shows how she - a very intelligent and well-educated woman - puts on the total opposite “dumb blonde” persona because that’s what Fox believes its audience understands and relates to.
They have to think their viewers are gullible hate-filled morons with the attention span of a gnat - how else can you explain the dishonest, disingenuous, demagogic detritus they deliver, poisoning political discourse like a dioxin dump?
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:40:05pm |
re: #21 PT Barnum
out in the wilds of Iowa. I am an old school D&D er ( I started playing in 77) and so preferred the simpler game mechanics of the 1st edition of AD&D. Best set of rules that match the feel is
Basic Fantasy Role Playing. Best part is the rule set is open license so it won’t break the budget. I’ve explored doing something with an online virtual table top (I prefer to DM) but haven’t gotten beyond the playing around stage.
Cool. If you still play Battletech (I remember you saying you used to play it), there is a group in Iowa. If you have any interest, check out classicbattletech.com. Also check out Wizards of the Coast’s website to see if there is a D&D group in Iowa.
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Lidane Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:40:10pm |
re: #27 LudwigVanQuixote
I actually think that Charles was the first one on this story, before anyone else. If he wasn’t, he missed by minutes. Charles deserves a ton of credit.
Of course he deserves credit, and I definitely give it. I’m just glad that Rachel’s out there broadcasting this stuff to millions who might not otherwise see it here.
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Lidane Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:41:01pm |
re: #23 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I don’t know which is scarier: That there are that many idiots in this country or that a lot of them vote.
You know what’s really scary?
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:42:36pm |
re: #29 PT Barnum
So what are you selling these days? I know you were working for Verizon at one time.
I was working for Sprint. These days I do inside sales, which are phone-base sales. I’d rather not say exactly where or what I sell right now, as this thread is being monitored from the outside.
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PT Barnum Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:43:06pm |
re: #33 Dark_Falcon
Cool. If you still play Battletech (I remember you saying you used to play it), there is a group in Iowa. If you have any interest, check out classicbattletech.com. Also check out Wizards of the Coast’s website to see if there is a D&D group in Iowa.
I never played Battletech..I’m a rules lite fan so I don’t play a lot of board or strategy games. Nowadays I play Computer RPGs (I’m slowly working my way through Oblivion) and am working on writing some radio plays for my local theatre group to do as a quickie production.
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Targetpractice Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:43:47pm |
re: #32 publicityStunted
Worse even than that - they have an utter, complete, profound, unmitigated, seething CONTEMPT for their audience. I can’t dig up the link right now due to my horribly slow home Internet connection, but go to www.thedailyshow.com and search for “Gretchen Carlson” - that segment shows how she - a very intelligent and well-educated woman - puts on the total opposite “dumb blonde” persona because that’s what Fox believes its audience understands and relates to.
They have to think their viewers are gullible hate-filled morons with the attention span of a gnat - how else can you explain the dishonest, disingenuous, demagogic detritus they deliver, poisoning political discourse like a dioxin dump?
“No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public.”
- H. L. Mencken
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PT Barnum Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:44:27pm |
re: #36 Dark_Falcon
I was working for Sprint. These days I do inside sales, which are phone-base sales. I’d rather not say exactly where or what I sell right now, as this thread is being monitored from the outside.
no problem…if you want to drop me a line, click on my nick and my email address is on the website.
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Targetpractice Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:44:57pm |
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palomino Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:45:00pm |
re: #31 Irenicum
Just got done watching Rachel’s piece. God bless Rachel Maddow. Rachel for President.
Totally. Maddow is for real—not a rodeo clown like Beck, not a blowhard like Hannity/O’Reilly, et al., and with none of Olbermann’s smugness or inflated ego.
She’s kinda like the late great Tim Russert, but with a more clearly defined POV, and, dare I say it, even more brains.
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avanti Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:46:04pm |
re: #18 Kefirah
bill o’reilly took his shots at maddow tonight:
“well, we beat your network in the ratings.”
good, constructive defense, mr. o’reilly.
O’Reilly claims Obama is screwed now, because more dirt will come out on “radical” Shirley and he now owns her.
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Racer X Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:47:29pm |
re: #25 PT Barnum
I’m watching Man V Food. I’m glad he takes on all those eating challenges so I don’t have to..
That dude is gonna have some serious health problems. I’m waiting for him to keel over live on TV.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:47:33pm |
re: #39 PT Barnum
no problem…if you want to drop me a line, click on my nick and my email address is on the website.
Cool, I may do that tomorrow evening. I’m a bit weary tonight.
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Kefirah Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:47:56pm |
re: #42 avanti
precisely. that’s when i started my second glass of wine, i believe - when dick morris compared her to reverend wright.
um.
are these people even of this planet? i would venture to say that besides shepard smith, i’ve yet to see a journalist with integrity grace the fox network.
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sagehen Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:48:39pm |
re: #32 publicityStunted
Worse even than that - they have an utter, complete, profound, unmitigated, seething CONTEMPT for their audience. I can’t dig up the link right now due to my horribly slow home Internet connection, but go to www.thedailyshow.com and search for “Gretchen Carlson” - that segment shows how she - a very intelligent and well-educated woman - puts on the total opposite “dumb blonde” persona because that’s what Fox believes its audience understands and relates to.
They have to think their viewers are gullible hate-filled morons with the attention span of a gnat - how else can you explain the dishonest, disingenuous, demagogic detritus they deliver, poisoning political discourse like a dioxin dump?
I *loved* that bit.
“Please, Gretchen, don’t pretend to be surprised that the Interior Secretary is in charge of the outside stuff.”
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palomino Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:49:52pm |
re: #25 PT Barnum
I’m watching Man V Food. I’m glad he takes on all those eating challenges so I don’t have to..
I love that show—it’s the best and worst of America in 30 minutes. The best: great regional food showcasing America’s diversity, and great hospitality no matter where Adam travels.
The worst: overeating overkill. It’s like we’re celebrating the fact that we’re the most overweight country in the world—by far.
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PT Barnum Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:50:00pm |
re: #43 Racer X
That dude is gonna have some serious health problems. I’m waiting for him to keel over live on TV.
I gotta think he’s a masochist. I can’t do more than three stars at my local Thai restaurant, and even then, I’m feeling (to put it delicately) the fire in the hole later on. Dunno how anybody can eat things hotter than that.
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Lidane Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:51:04pm |
re: #45 Kefirah
are these people even of this planet? i would venture to say that besides shepard smith, i’ve yet to see a journalist with integrity grace the fox network.
I’m convinced that Murdoch is throwing stupid money at Shepard Smith to stay at Fox just to give them even the slightest veneer of legitimacy. Without him, they wouldn’t have the pretense of being a news organization at all.
I’m also convinced Shep stays just because of the money, and because he can show his contempt for the morons he works with on the air without fear of getting fired.
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AntonSirius Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:51:05pm |
re: #6 LudwigVanQuixote
This is a thing of beauty. How many times have we heard or seen some wingnut come out screaming something only to have minutes later hear the twit say the exact opposite as if the first false BS never was even said?
It is not just the utter stupidity of it.
It is the utter contempt for the intellect that these people hold others in.
Of course given the number of idiots who buy this shit hook line and sinker, we can really have no doubt where that contempt comes from.
At this point, anyone who believes Fox news for anything at face value is to be counted as a moron himself. No questions asked, you have prima facia evidence that yes, they really are utterly stupid. Only stupid people can be lied to in ways that don’t add up, in utterly transparent ways, followed with flip flops happening at kHz frequencies, and still not notice.
Fox news watcher = moron. No two ways.
I’m having this ‘conversation’ (I use the term very loosely) with a favorite punching bag on another site right now. He’s claiming that Fox didn’t even jump on the story until after Sherrod resigned. I just keep telling him that normal people would be angry that someone they trusted had lied to them, not be defending the liars.
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Amory Blaine Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:51:36pm |
Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.
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PT Barnum Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:51:38pm |
re: #47 palomino
I love that show—it’s the best and worst of America in 30 minutes. The best: great regional food showcasing America’s diversity, and great hospitality no matter where Adam travels.
The worst: overeating overkill. It’s like we’re celebrating the fact that we’re the most overweight country in the world—by far.
I like Man V Food, Diners Drive Ins and Dives and Bizarre foods. Unwrapped is interesting too, although sometimes it can be a bit too much like a PR video.
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avanti Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:51:41pm |
re: #32 publicityStunted
Worse even than that - they have an utter, complete, profound, unmitigated, seething CONTEMPT for their audience. I can’t dig up the link right now due to my horribly slow home Internet connection, but go to www.thedailyshow.com and search for “Gretchen Carlson” - that segment shows how she - a very intelligent and well-educated woman - puts on the total opposite “dumb blonde” persona because that’s what Fox believes its audience understands and relates to.
They have to think their viewers are gullible hate-filled morons with the attention span of a gnat - how else can you explain the dishonest, disingenuous, demagogic detritus they deliver, poisoning political discourse like a dioxin dump?
You don’t become the number one “news” network by delivering hard news to a informed audience . You entertain Joe Sixpack by telling him what he wants to hear. Basically, the intellectuals, the minorities and especially the left/middle are keeping you down.
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Donna Ballard Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:53:02pm |
re: #30 Leftwingconspirator
Hello, Reine…
RWC suggested I say hi in “person”, so to speak! Glad you liked the Beck satire. Knowing RWC and DragonLady as I do — and given the state of politics and punditry in our society — I am sure there will be more to come. Someone once asked John Cleese of Monty Python where he and his cohorts found the inspiration for their work and he said one only has to open the newspaper to find an endless source of comedy and satire…
Cheers!
LWC
Now there’s irony for you! Two guys sitting around in Northridge Ca making fun of Glenn Beck and drinking Becks beer! What are the odds of that I wonder? Go figure!
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PT Barnum Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:53:13pm |
re: #49 Lidane
I’m convinced that Murdoch is throwing stupid money at Shepard Smith to stay at Fox just to give them even the slightest veneer of legitimacy. Without him, they wouldn’t have the pretense of being a news organization at all.
I’m also convinced Shep stays just because of the money, and because he can show his contempt for the morons he works with on the air without fear of getting fired.
My nickname for Shepard Smith used to be Manniquin Head, but as he’s showing some actual intelligence, I dropped that name for him.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:54:13pm |
re: #53 avanti
You don’t become the number one “news” network by delivering hard news to a informed audience . You entertain Joe Sixpack by telling him what he wants to hear. Basically, the intellectuals, the minorities and especially the left/middle are keeping you down.
—-People don’t want to hear news Mr. Worde, they’d have to think about it. What the people want to hear is “olds”, stories that they already know how to think and feel about.
Havelock Vetinari as best I can recall…
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avanti Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:54:39pm |
re: #55 Dragon_Lady
Now there’s irony for you! Two guys sitting around in Northridge Ca making fun of Glenn Beck and drinking Becks beer! What are the odds of that I wonder? Go figure!
Speaking of beer, has anyone tried the 312 beer the POTUS likes ? I intend to see if I can find it locally.
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blueraven Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:55:19pm |
re: #42 avanti
O’Reilly claims Obama is screwed now, because more dirt will come out on “radical” Shirley and he now owns her.
They are not done with her. She has made a fool of them and she will have to pay. They will dig and dig until they find some indiscretion, no matter how trivial or how long ago. It will never end.
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PT Barnum Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:55:22pm |
well time to hit the sack…Mrs Barnum is due home from work ny minutel
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:55:46pm |
re: #58 avanti
Speaking of beer, has anyone tried the 312 beer the POTUS likes ? I intend to see if I can find it locally.
You do realize that drinking the beer the president loves makes you a “Radical Progressive”, right? ;)
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Donna Ballard Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:57:08pm |
re: #28 Nimed
You go girl!
(seriously, I’m with you)
DF is a girl? Seriously? Any input on that Dark Falcon?
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palomino Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:57:41pm |
re: #52 PT Barnum
I like Man V Food, Diners Drive Ins and Dives and Bizarre foods. Unwrapped is interesting too, although sometimes it can be a bit too much like a PR video.
The stuff they eat on MVF is often really good—just saw one the other day with beef brisket sliders with potato pancakes on challah bread. That’s a big step up from a hot dog eating contest.
I don’t care what Anthony Bourdain says, Guy Fieri is a lot of fun, so what if he’s kind of a doofus? Have you seen the SNL parody of him—hilarious!
That Zimmern guy will eat anything. I can’t imagine him being squeamish in the bedroom.
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Lidane Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:58:10pm |
Speaking of Shepard Smith, he unloaded on his employer today over the Sherrod story:
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]
Yes, it’s HuffPo, but it’s the only source for the video that I can find.
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avanti Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:58:29pm |
re: #61 Dark_Falcon
You do realize that drinking the beer the president loves makes you a “Radical Progressive”, right? ;)
I know, but I checked out the web site, and like the description. As far as beer goes, I’d still drink Sam Adams even if Glenn Beck liked it.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:58:43pm |
re: #17 Dark_Falcon
Here is a big nasty for you…
Whining banshee.
Princess M, was once a spoiled girl from minor nobility. She fell in love with al the knights at tourneys and was skillful in leading them on. She made up for her low birth with great haughtiness and withering disdain that she would shower on the lesser nobles with whom she flirted.
One day, she fell for a knight who was skilled in tournaments but never amounted to much after. He was even more arrogant and popular than she. She swooned. A few years later, her beauty fading, he left her for a younger and far prettier elf maid.
She took to eating mushrooms which had been growing in the foetid remains of poisoned tree husks that dot the bubbling Fox river. Her rage, anguish and internal spite mixed with the alchemy of those fungi and created a dark magic transforming her bloated body and distended features into a horror of malice and flesh.
She craves, nothing more than to be told of her beauty even as noxious fumes are released by her breath past yellowed twisted teeth. Perversely the magic that sustains her causes her reeking soul to attract the adoration of goblins, orcs and lesser demi-humans. She once again has devoted followers that she can treat with arrogance and spite, who will slavishly flirt with her even in her deformed and corrupted state Once again, she feels happy for brief moments, but she realizes that the love of orcs is nothing like the love of men.
She is an ambush predator.
Princess M
6+1 HD
Attacks with withering tongue of contempt: Heroes must beat a difficulty of 2 in an opposed role against their self esteem (the sum of their charisma, intelligence and wisdom scores) or feel that a woman they might date (and forget) if sufficiently drunk, has snubbed them. This causes a -1 penalty on all wisdom checks for 1D6 rounds.
Clerics, Paladins and Druids can defeat this effect by pointing out that at least 3D4 pints of mead would be needed to consider dating her.
Her most virulent attack is actually summoning 2D20 slavering orcs, kobolds and goblins to sacrifice themselves for her.
Other than that she is no threat.
Special weaknesses - mirrors, tape measures and any female with a CHR greater than 10. All of these things throw her into an incoherent rage that drastically reduces the effect of her insults. Any successful withering tongue attack has it’s duration halved.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:58:58pm |
re: #62 Dragon_Lady
DF is a girl? Seriously? Any input on that Dark Falcon?
Nope, I’m firmly male. It was kind of funny silly, though.
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avanti Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:00:33pm |
re: #59 blueraven
They are not done with her. She has made a fool of them and she will have to pay. They will dig and dig until they find some indiscretion, no matter how trivial or how long ago. It will never end.
Well her husband was in the non violent student union in the 60’s, and Bill Ayers mentioned that group in his book./
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Donna Ballard Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:01:54pm |
re: #67 Dark_Falcon
Nope, I’m firmly male. It was kind of funny silly, though.
Thank goodness! I was pretty sure you were a guy but in these days and times one can never be too sure and I’d rather be on the safe side! ;)
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:01:56pm |
Hey! No fair comparing what we said yesterday to what we said today! Uhh…uhm…you…your just a liberal who hates the “fair and balanced™” truth!
Once again Fox proves itself to be anything but “fair and balanced,” I wonder if any of their fans noticed? Naww, stupid question, if they were smart enough to notice they wouldn’t be watching Fox anyway, well except for the ones who only watch it for the comedic/outrage value, like me.
/guilty
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Nimed Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:02:14pm |
This clip was even better than yesterday’s one (well, except for the hare and the tortoise stuff).
There are very few programs dumber than Fox & Friends in the history of television. They are the late 80s Chicago Bulls of dumbness — every single person in there has a place in the All-Star team. And Kilmeade is Jordan. Watch this:
Listen to what he said before the pop eugenics — he actually said WE KEEP MARRYING OTHER SPECIES AND OTHER ETHNICS!
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Kefirah Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:02:18pm |
re: #68 avanti
six degress of “ZOMG I CAN HAZ COMMIE CONZPIRACY NAO?!”
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Irenicum Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:02:50pm |
Yepper. It’s all the left wing, anti Jihadists fault. After all, it’s all their fault. Nobody else played a part in this spectacle. Yeah. That’s right. Um, yeah, nothing to look at here.
Surprise me not.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:03:36pm |
re: #66 LudwigVanQuixote
Here is a big nasty for you…
Whining banshee.
Princess M, was once a spoiled girl from minor nobility. She fell in love with al the knights at tourneys and was skillful in leading them on. She made up for her low birth with great haughtiness and withering disdain that she would shower on the lesser nobles with whom she flirted.
One day, she fell for a knight who was skilled in tournaments but never amounted to much after. He was even more arrogant and popular than she. She swooned. A few years later, her beauty fading, he left her for a younger and far prettier elf maid.
She took to eating mushrooms which had been growing in the foetid remains of poisoned tree husks that dot the bubbling Fox river. Her rage, anguish and internal spite mixed with the alchemy of those fungi and created a dark magic transforming her bloated body and distended features into a horror of malice and flesh.
She craves, nothing more than to be told of her beauty even as noxious fumes are released by her breath past yellowed twisted teeth. Perversely the magic that sustains her causes her reeking soul to attract the adoration of goblins, orcs and lesser demi-humans. She once again has devoted followers that she can treat with arrogance and spite, who will slavishly flirt with her even in her deformed and corrupted state Once again, she feels happy for brief moments, but she realizes that the love of orcs is nothing like the love of men.
She is an ambush predator.
Princess M
6+1 HD
Attacks with withering tongue of contempt: Heroes must beat a difficulty of 2 in an opposed role against their self esteem (the sum of their charisma, intelligence and wisdom scores) or feel that a woman they might date (and forget) if sufficiently drunk, has snubbed them. This causes a -1 penalty on all wisdom checks for 1D6 rounds.
Clerics, Paladins and Druids can defeat this effect by pointing out that at least 3D4 pints of mead would be needed to consider dating her.
Her most virulent attack is actually summoning 2D20 slavering orcs, kobolds and goblins to sacrifice themselves for her.
Other than that she is no threat.
Special weaknesses - mirrors, tape measures and any female with a CHR greater than 10. All of these things throw her into an incoherent rage that drastically reduces the effect of her insults. Any successful withering tongue attack has it’s duration halved.
Nice. Since I made her “The Harpy” for the current adventure, we can’t use this character just yet. But I’m favoriting your post and it’ll be used in the future.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:05:22pm |
re: #74 Dark_Falcon
Nice. Since I made her “The Harpy” for the current adventure, we can’t use this character just yet. But I’m favoriting your post and it’ll be used in the future.
How how how could you make her the Harpy? Surely that is Pam Gellar - or did we make her the alcoholic succubus?
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Donna Ballard Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:05:25pm |
re: #65 avanti
I know, but I checked out the web site, and like the description. As far as beer goes, I’d still drink Sam Adams even if Glenn Beck liked it.
Well RWC likes Becks Beer so much he just had to go and get ride of some. ;) You know the old saying, you don’t buy beer, you rent it! :O
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Racer X Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:07:09pm |
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Ojoe Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:07:32pm |
ranting instead about the Obama administration
Please no ranting.
* * * *
Night Towercam. The lights are places like La Vern and Ontario and Upland.
Good night all.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:07:46pm |
OMG, you have got to see this. I could not make this up!
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avanti Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:10:08pm |
re: #70 ausador
Hey! No fair comparing what we said yesterday to what we said today! Uhh…uhm…you…your just a liberal who hates the “fair and balanced™” truth!
Once again Fox proves itself to be anything but “fair and balanced,” I wonder if any of their fans noticed? Naww, stupid question, if they were smart enough to notice they wouldn’t be watching Fox anyway, well except for the ones who only watch it for the comedic/outrage value, like me.
/guilty
Again, one reason to watch Fox news.
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Donna Ballard Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:10:28pm |
re: #78 Ojoe
Please no ranting.
* * * *
Night Towercam. The lights are places like La Vern and Ontario and Upland.Good night all.
Thank you Ojoe! That’s lovely!
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Donna Ballard Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:11:25pm |
Logging out now. time to go home. Good night everyone, Keep Laughing!
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:12:05pm |
re: #59 blueraven
They are not done with her. She has made a fool of them and she will have to pay. They will dig and dig until they find some indiscretion, no matter how trivial or how long ago. It will never end.
Oh, I’m sure all that talk about helping poor people in her talk will be enough for them.
No shame. They have no goddamn shame.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:13:11pm |
re: #68 avanti
Well her husband was in the non violent student union in the 60’s, and Bill Ayers mentioned that group in his book./
Everyone associated with SNCC out of government work now!
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Nick Schroeder Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:14:49pm |
re: #71 Nimed
Listen to what he said before the pop eugenics — he actually said WE KEEP MARRYING OTHER SPECIES AND OTHER ETHNICS!
LOL. When the Fox News Token Blonde is calling you a moron, that’s bad.
I actually watch Fox and Friends every morning (I know, I’m part of the problem), and as stupid as the Blonde Duo is, Kilmeade really does seem like the dumbest noob on the block. He stammers through everything and literally never makes sense. At lease Steve and the chick are fluid in their idiocy. I always wonder how Stammers McGhee got this job.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:15:07pm |
re: #75 LudwigVanQuixote
How how how could you make her the Harpy? Surely that is Pam Gellar - or did we make her the alcoholic succubus?
Yes, that’s Pam Gellar. I made Gellar the goddess of decay whose real name has been forgotten. All that is left of her is the echos of her shrieks in her ruined tomb (The Ruin of the Harpy).
Who is Princess M?
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AntonSirius Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:16:12pm |
re: #79 LudwigVanQuixote
OMG, you have got to see this. I could not make this up!
[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com…]
Classy guy, that David Terrell..
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Amory Blaine Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:16:13pm |
re: #68 avanti
Well her husband was in the non violent student union in the 60’s, and Bill Ayers mentioned that group in his book./
I don’t remember where I got this, But here’s a link to a wingnut rolling that story.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:21:35pm |
re: #83 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh, I’m sure all that talk about helping poor people in her talk will be enough for them.
No shame. They have no goddamn shame.
Ohh they are already trying to call her a Marxist (not that they can define Marxism)… no surprises there. These days everyone is a Marxist.
I think of it rather like certain low brow bible thumper descriptions of who they think goes to hell. Definitely prefer where all the cool and intelligent folks go.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:22:56pm |
re: #86 Dark_Falcon
Yes, that’s Pam Gellar. I made Gellar the goddess of decay whose real name has been forgotten. All that is left of her is the echos of her shrieks in her ruined tomb (The Ruin of the Harpy).
Who is Princess M?
M of course buddy.
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:23:42pm |
re: #79 LudwigVanQuixote
OMG, you have got to see this. I could not make this up!
[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com…]
Like lynching and speaking in tongues, this kind of overtly Christian marketing is an aspect of southern culture that I am embarrassed for outsiders to see. It really isn’t very unusual at all, just more blunt than most such appeals.
Even so, it gives me an idea for a new ad for my own business.
“So, remember, folks, if you need any kind of licensed geo-survey, just call on me. I am your local secular, agnostic businessman. That means I am smart enough to know that the earth is more than 6000 years old, always a great help when dealing with hard rock stuff or anything more than a foot deep. Let’s forget this nonsense about Obama being a Red, leave the ARs at home when we go to political rallies, and get behind our troops who are still fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, whether the Ron Paul likes it or not.”
Maybe not.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:25:18pm |
re: #70 ausador
Anyone else here tried to watch Glenn Beck lately? Just wondering. I can’t even handle to faux outrage based on a revisionist interpretation of history for more than five minutes anymore. I used to watch sometimes for laughs, or just to yell “LIAR” at the T.V. when I was in the mood.
Now he has gone so far off the rails and into the Alex Jones “wilderness” that even a few minutes just leaves me feeling sick at heart.
/ (Yes Virginia, two/three and a half million people (sometimes more) still watch him everyday and absorb his nonsense populist blatherings, scary huh?- -Santa)
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:27:21pm |
re: #80 avanti
Again, one reason to watch Fox news.
[Video]
Yes nothing like vile, air headed, mean, women in short skirts that almost cover their private areas, spouting venomous and vapid lies to get me turned on.
Note for ladies: Good men look for character, intelligence and decency as well.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:28:50pm |
re: #89 LudwigVanQuixote
Ohh they are already trying to call her a Marxist (not that they can define Marxism)… no surprises there. These days everyone is a Marxist.
I think of it rather like certain low brow bible thumper descriptions of who they think goes to hell. Definitely prefer where all the cool and intelligent folks go.
They clearly don’t understand Marxism, you’re right. Her rich vs. poor dichotomy is clearly more an interpretation of Christianity (I don’t agree with her on that dichotomy, full disclosure) than any form of Marxism. She seems left-liberal, but in a American tradition of such liberalism that is not Marxist. Of course, those who want to smear don’t draw such distinctions, that just attack.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:28:52pm |
Ohh and a shout out to the Possum! Did you notice that even you fellow village idiots ignored your last troll attempts?
You do realize that you are their gamma dog right?
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:33:41pm |
re: #93 LudwigVanQuixote
Yes nothing like vile, air headed, mean, women in short skirts that almost cover their private areas, spouting venomous and vapid lies to get me turned on.
Note for ladies: Good men look for character, intelligence and decency as well.
Can you imagine the howling and outrage from the right if some (allegedly) liberal outlet started using top-heavy, half-dressed bimbos to present their message at every turn? It would be the worst outbreak of whoredom and idolatry since the Roman Empire or maybe the disco era (take your pick). The yelps of protest and condemnation would be loud enough to raise the dead, thereby bringing the Zombie Apocalypse.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:35:30pm |
re: #80 avanti
You do realize that the “author” of that clip openly admitted that he had photoshopped a lot of those images to show more leg/cleavage than was actually shown in the real footage right?
He shortened the skirts, and “painted” in more thigh, etc, etc…
It isn’t real, you are just being seduced by the Matrix!
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:35:38pm |
re: #90 LudwigVanQuixote
M of course buddy.
Cool. We’ll use that character in an easier adventure. This one is intended for heroes of level 20-27. Good guys of that level would defeat the character you’ve created with ease. It should wait for an adventure for players at levels 10-12, I figure.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:35:50pm |
Ohh and Coldwarrior is threatening me with “payback in good time.”
He had this to say about D&D:
i played d&d in the 80′s…no acne, also played rugby and was on the swim team, ran CC…my girlfriend was a hot cheerleader.
Hey Cold warrior,
I played it in the 80’s too - and I still do, but unlike you, I don’t have to pretend to cover my inadequacies by bragging about a cheerleader GF.
Duder is even a wannabe on the intertubes.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:37:17pm |
re: #96 Shiplord Kirel
Can you imagine the howling and outrage from the right if some (allegedly) liberal outlet started using top-heavy, half-dressed bimbos to present their message at every turn? It would be the worst outbreak of whoredom and idolatry since the Roman Empire or maybe the disco era (take your pick). The yelps of protest and condemnation would be loud enough to raise the dead, thereby bringing the Zombie Apocalypse.
Exactly. Can you imagine the outrage and shrieking that we are sexist from the right if we pointed out that these vapid, ignorant women were purposefully being slutty?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:37:53pm |
re: #98 Dark_Falcon
Cool. We’ll use that character in an easier adventure. This one is intended for heroes of level 20-27. Good guys of that level would defeat the character you’ve created with ease. It should wait for an adventure for players at levels 10-12, I figure.
Well she really is one of the more insignificant monsters.
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Amory Blaine Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:38:33pm |
re: #93 LudwigVanQuixote
Yes nothing like vile, air headed, mean, women in short skirts that almost cover their private areas, spouting venomous and vapid lies to get me turned on.
Note for ladies: Good men look for character, intelligence and decency as well.
re: #99 LudwigVanQuixote
Ohh and Coldwarrior is threatening me with “payback in good time.”
He had this to say about D&D:
Hey Cold warrior,
I played it in the 80’s too - and I still do, but unlike you, I don’t have to pretend to cover my inadequacies by bragging about a cheerleader GF.
Duder is even a wannabe on the intertubes.
I played D & D in the eighties. The same newsdummies we’re laughing at now, back then they were saying with a straight face that it was the devils game and it caused people to commit suicide.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:39:40pm |
re: #80 avanti
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deranged cat Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:40:03pm |
i heard a report about Shirley Sherrod on NPR today and immediately thought “hey! where’s the credit to Charles Johnson and LGF, EH??” as some guy said up there, seriously man, you were the first on the scene.
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avanti Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:40:40pm |
re: #97 ausador
You do realize that the “author” of that clip openly admitted that he had photoshopped a lot of those images to show more leg/cleavage than was actually shown in the real footage right?
He shortened the skirts, and “painted” in more thigh, etc, etc…
It isnothing sacredn’t real, you are just being seduced by the Matrix!
Next thing you’ll be telling me is that they air brush the Playmates. Actually, I know they do, since they were on my ship for fleet week, pimples and all.
| 106 |
Amory Blaine Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:41:22pm |
re: #105 avanti
Next thing you’ll be telling me is that they air brush the Playmates. Actually, I know they do, since they were on my ship for fleet week, pimples and all.
But did you really care about the pimples?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:41:51pm |
re: #102 Amory Blaine
I played D & D in the eighties. The same newsdummies we’re laughing at now, back then they were saying with a straight face that it was the devils game and it caused people to commit suicide.
I remember. LOL I loved it when Pat Roberson rebuked us and all.
True story, I grew up being the only Jewish kid in an area where the graffiti was Jesus Saves - really low brow, farm sort of place.
I once drove off a group of missionaries that wanted to “save” me, by pulling out my dice pouch and threatening to cast a spell :)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:42:16pm |
re: #102 Amory Blaine
It was mostly Ninja Turtles for me, and then Shadowrun later on in high school. I was always about the cyberpunk and the weird-mutant-creature-revolutionaries-living-in-sewers sorts of games :D
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Nimed Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:43:41pm |
re: #85 Nick Schroeder
I actually watch Fox and Friends every morning (I know, I’m part of the problem), and as stupid as the Blonde Duo is, Kilmeade really does seem like the dumbest noob on the block. He stammers through everything and literally never makes sense. At lease Steve and the chick are fluid in their idiocy. I always wonder how Stammers McGhee got this job.
You’ve encapsulated it: the blond duo exibits a fluid, comfortable, pleasant stupidity. Kilmeade OTO manifests an awkward stupidity with a tinge of mental imbalance. That’s what sets him apart. He’s special.
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Amory Blaine Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:46:27pm |
re: #109 Nimed
You’ve encapsulated it: the blond duo exibits a fluid, comfortable, pleasant stupidity. Kilmeade OTO manifests an awkward stupidity with a tinge of mental imbalance. That’s what sets him apart. He’s special.
The whole scene just makes me want to punch myself in the face.
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Amory Blaine Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:47:43pm |
re: #108 WindUpBird
It was mostly Ninja Turtles for me, and then Shadowrun later on in high school. I was always about the cyberpunk and the weird-mutant-creature-revolutionaries-living-in-se wers sorts of games :D
C.H.U.D.S.
| 112 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:49:17pm |
re: #102 Amory Blaine
re: #107 LudwigVanQuixote
I’m younger than you two and didn’t really get started actually playing Battletech till 2006 (I’d played occasionally before then). It’s only in the past year that my gameplay has actually started to improve, since I finally got a good feel for moving my units. But WUB, you should know that Catalyst Game Labs does still put out Shadowrun as well as Battletech.
(Product plug for favorite game makers.)
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AntonSirius Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:50:19pm |
re: #99 LudwigVanQuixote
Ohh and Coldwarrior is threatening me with “payback in good time.”
He had this to say about D&D:
Hey Cold warrior,
I played it in the 80’s too - and I still do, but unlike you, I don’t have to pretend to cover my inadequacies by bragging about a cheerleader GF.
Duder is even a wannabe on the intertubes.
Was his high school team’s nickname the Wolverines, perchance?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:51:07pm |
re: #113 AntonSirius
Was his high school team’s nickname the Wolverines, perchance?
Now that is brilliant! RED DAWN!
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jamesfirecat Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:53:11pm |
Well I’ve had all I can stand, (its around 2:00 AM over here) so I’m for bed.
That said if any of you guys want more proof that they only come out at night/after everyone else has moved onto a new thread check out Solarbears antics in this thread….
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
| 116 |
Amory Blaine Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:53:52pm |
re: #112 Dark_Falcon
re: #107 LudwigVanQuixote
I’m younger than you two and didn’t really get started actually playing Battletech till 2006 (I’d played occasionally before then). It’s only in the past year that my gameplay has actually started to improve, since I finally got a good feel for moving my units. But WUB, you should know that Catalyst Game Labs does still put out Shadowrun as well as Battletech.
(Product plug for favorite game makers.)
Sounds fun. Although I haven’t played for years, a dear friend of mine does. Him and the gang have played loyally since the 80s. All kinds of games. He has thousands of hand painted figures he’s done. Amazing. It’s just another way of friends getting together and having a good time.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:58:20pm |
And of course Drudge Report uses the same dishonest angle:
White House apologizes for pushing black worker to quit…
There are millions of people out there who get their information mostly from FoxNews and Drudge Report. It’s mind-boggling. The lies, the distortions, the devotion to spin and confirmation bias and the coordination of story-crafting…
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:59:02pm |
re: #113 AntonSirius
Was his high school team’s nickname the Wolverines, perchance?
No, he was in the Berlin Brigade back then. In the “Red Dawn” scenario, he and his unit would have gone down swinging, while taking a lot of Russians with them.
/That’s not praise, but just the simple truth.
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freetoken Wed, Jul 21, 2010 10:59:58pm |
re: #117 000G
Breitbart has been deep into the workings of the DrudgeReport in the past, enough to say that the blog is part him. So of course they agree.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Jul 21, 2010 11:00:49pm |
re: #115 jamesfirecat
Well I’ve had all I can stand, (its around 2:00 AM over here) so I’m for bed.
That said if any of you guys want more proof that they only come out at night/after everyone else has moved onto a new thread check out Solarbears antics in this thread…
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
Solar writes a lot like possum. I wonder if the little twit is back, or if this is simply another sock from a different POS.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Jul 21, 2010 11:02:22pm |
re: #118 Dark_Falcon
No, he was in the Berlin Brigade back then. In the “Red Dawn” scenario, he and his unit would have gone down swinging, while taking a lot of Russians with them.
/That’s not praise, but just the simple truth.
And today is is a pathetic washed out disgrace to the uniform he once proudly wore. He disgraces America with his racism, brutality and anti-American garbage.
That is not just scorn, it is the simple truth.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jul 21, 2010 11:03:26pm |
re: #115 jamesfirecat
Well I’ve had all I can stand, (its around 2:00 AM over here) so I’m for bed.
That said if any of you guys want more proof that they only come out at night/after everyone else has moved onto a new thread check out Solarbears antics in this thread…
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
Kind of ironic that Solarbears comes out at night, though.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, Jul 21, 2010 11:03:39pm |
re: #112 Dark_Falcon
re: #107 LudwigVanQuixote
I’m younger than you two and didn’t really get started actually playing Battletech till 2006 (I’d played occasionally before then). It’s only in the past year that my gameplay has actually started to improve, since I finally got a good feel for moving my units. But WUB, you should know that Catalyst Game Labs does still put out Shadowrun as well as Battletech.
(Product plug for favorite game makers.)
Personally I never have wanted to play online, especially “team oriented” stuff, I gravitate more towards “first person shooters.” I guess I just get more satisfaction out of shooting a zombie in the face with a rocket launcher at close range…just give me a game where I can run around bashing peoples heads in with a crowbar or shooting them in the face then watching the blood spray everywhere and I’ll be happy.
/Mentally unstable? Who, me?
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Jul 21, 2010 11:05:19pm |
re: #119 freetoken
Breitbart has been deep into the workings of the DrudgeReport in the past, enough to say that the blog is part him. So of course they agree.
Yes, but a lot of people in their audience do not know this. They don’t know the personal connections, the business-model-way in which they pander to a set of prejudices, their agenda, etc… Millions of people look at FoxNews and Drudge Report and even Breitbart’s stuff as just… news. Reporting.
ughughugh
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freetoken Wed, Jul 21, 2010 11:08:24pm |
I see that the PJM commenters are grinding their teeth on Ron Radosh’s latest entry. Ron seems to be the last guy over there with at least a shred of a conscience left - he actually called out Breitbart for an apology.
The hate-right is now in full bloom. Like ragweed, there are seasons to their growth and reproduction. If all the sane-minded are developing allergies to reading online news then be assured it is the pollen grains of the hate-right spreading through the winds of the internet.
I’m coming to the conclusion that online capabilities - blogs/RSS/tweets etc really are becoming detrimental to our society.
The problem is the speed of gossip, hate, and lies is near the speed of light. Whereas actual research, thought, and reflection only propagates at the speed of the human mind, which is quite a bit slower.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Jul 21, 2010 11:08:52pm |
re: #32 publicityStunted
Worse even than that - they have an utter, complete, profound, unmitigated, seething CONTEMPT for their audience. I can’t dig up the link right now due to my horribly slow home Internet connection, but go to www.thedailyshow.com and search for “Gretchen Carlson” - that segment shows how she - a very intelligent and well-educated woman - puts on the total opposite “dumb blonde” persona because that’s what Fox believes its audience understands and relates to.
They have to think their viewers are gullible hate-filled morons with the attention span of a gnat - how else can you explain the dishonest, disingenuous, demagogic detritus they deliver, poisoning political discourse like a dioxin dump?
Brilliant post! Kudos!
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freetoken Wed, Jul 21, 2010 11:10:05pm |
re: #124 000G
There is no cure for willful ignorance. If people are too lazy to research then they have no one to blame but themselves.
Problem is plenty of innocent people get squashed as the mob lurches at the next shiny bait.
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palomino Wed, Jul 21, 2010 11:10:57pm |
re: #117 000G
And of course Drudge Report uses the same dishonest angle:
There are millions of people out there who get their information mostly from FoxNews and Drudge Report. It’s mind-boggling. The lies, the distortions, the devotion to spin and confirmation bias and the coordination of story-crafting…
This will be the first and only time most of the Drudge/Fox element are upset with Obama for letting a black employee go. Here’s hoping she returns.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jul 21, 2010 11:12:10pm |
re: #121 LudwigVanQuixote
And today is is a pathetic washed out disgrace to the uniform he once proudly wore. He disgraces America with his racism, brutality and anti-American garbage.
That is not just scorn, it is the simple truth.
I hear you Ludwig, but I’m not going to pass that kind of judgment on a former serviceman. Largely because I did not serve, I don’t feel it proper for me to hand out such character judgments of those who did. I’ll condemn actions, and criticize someones bad ideas and philosophies (and I have in his case). But I made his character an anti-Paladin after welwikii suggested it. I did so because, unlike demons, anti-Paladins are capable of redemption. I still hope he comes to see how wrong his support of the Bosnian Serbs was and why calls for the destruction of Islam can only lead to bloodshed on a massive scale. He ain’t coming back ever, and I know why and agree with Charles’ decision, but as I always do, I hope he finds redemption and peace.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Jul 21, 2010 11:14:52pm |
re: #129 Dark_Falcon
DF, Timothy McVeigh was once a soldier too.
I appreciate your kind sentiments, but your mercy is misplaced.
I have a serious bit of wisdom for you to consider.
When you are merciful to those who deserve justice, you will inevitably be cruel to those who deserve mercy.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Jul 21, 2010 11:18:05pm |
re: #125 freetoken
I see that the PJM commenters are grinding their teeth on Ron Radosh’s latest entry. Ron seems to be the last guy over there with at least a shred of a conscience left - he actually called out Breitbart for an apology.
The hate-right is now in full bloom. Like ragweed, there are seasons to their growth and reproduction. If all the sane-minded are developing allergies to reading online news then be assured it is the pollen grains of the hate-right spreading through the winds of the internet.
I’m coming to the conclusion that online capabilities - blogs/RSS/tweets etc really are becoming detrimental to our society.
The problem is the speed of gossip, hate, and lies is near the speed of light. Whereas actual research, thought, and reflection only propagates at the speed of the human mind, which is quite a bit slower.
Brilliantly said. You should see some of the commentaries on Loshan Ha Ra.
Same sentiments but now the damage is more easily done and more widespread.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jul 21, 2010 11:21:51pm |
re: #130 LudwigVanQuixote
DF, Timothy McVeigh was once a soldier too.
I appreciate your kind sentiments, but your mercy is misplaced.
I have a serious bit of wisdom for you to consider.
When you are merciful to those who deserve justice, you will inevitably be cruel to those who deserve mercy.
True, and that’s why I take him and others to task for anti-Muslim statements. I know where calls to destroy Islam will lead. I hope people find the light, but I don’t let that cause me to take my eye off the ball.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jul 21, 2010 11:24:47pm |
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palomino Wed, Jul 21, 2010 11:24:55pm |
re: #131 LudwigVanQuixote
Brilliantly said. You should see some of the commentaries on Loshan Ha Ra.
Same sentiments but now the damage is more easily done and more widespread.
And this really inflammatory, often outright racist crap is everywhere. It infects comment boards across the spectrum. AOL had to shut their’s down months ago, and they still haven’t figured out a way to get it running again.
I was SO wrong two years ago when I thought that the nativist, racist and crazy anti-Obama rhetoric would quiet down after the election. It was just getting started.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jul 21, 2010 11:33:16pm |
re: #125 freetoken
I see that the PJM commenters are grinding their teeth on Ron Radosh’s latest entry. Ron seems to be the last guy over there with at least a shred of a conscience left - he actually called out Breitbart for an apology.
The hate-right is now in full bloom. Like ragweed, there are seasons to their growth and reproduction. If all the sane-minded are developing allergies to reading online news then be assured it is the pollen grains of the hate-right spreading through the winds of the internet.
I’m coming to the conclusion that online capabilities - blogs/RSS/tweets etc really are becoming detrimental to our society.
The problem is the speed of gossip, hate, and lies is near the speed of light. Whereas actual research, thought, and reflection only propagates at the speed of the human mind, which is quite a bit slower.
I sorta think this is the growing pains of having such connectivity at our disposal, that we’ll outgrow it the way we outgrew other awful behavior in our society.
I don’t really have an argument, though. I’m just hoping that’s what happens o_o
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, Jul 21, 2010 11:40:10pm |
re: #125 freetoken
I see that the PJM commenters are grinding their teeth on Ron Radosh’s latest entry. Ron seems to be the last guy over there with at least a shred of a conscience left - he actually called out Breitbart for an apology.
The hate-right is now in full bloom. Like ragweed, there are seasons to their growth and reproduction. If all the sane-minded are developing allergies to reading online news then be assured it is the pollen grains of the hate-right spreading through the winds of the internet.
I’m coming to the conclusion that online capabilities - blogs/RSS/tweets etc really are becoming detrimental to our society.
We need to hand over running the internet to the Scientologists, only to OTIII’s or higher of course…then they can use their “superpowers” to better regulate the net…or maybe just give the job to Tom Cruise?
/
The problem is the speed of gossip, hate, and lies is near the speed of light. Whereas actual research, thought, and reflection only propagates at the speed of the human mind, which is quite a bit slower.
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freetoken Wed, Jul 21, 2010 11:44:50pm |
re: #135 palomino
And this really inflammatory, often outright racist crap is everywhere.
Yes it is. It’s even an industry (t-shirts, billboards, bumper stickers… and, oh yeah, books - lots of books.)
As I’ve mentioned before, I changed my avatar in light of the crap that was building on this forum and throughout our society. I didn’t even vote for the guy but I could tell right away what was cooking under the cover of the more backwards of American social pots.
Right now I consider the right-wing/hate-right vomiting of racist memes the #1 social issue in US political discussion. The turn onto latinos is only beginning - AZ is but a stepping stone for the Tea Partiers. The anti-Islam sentiment can not be contained and heaven help us if some real jihadist carries off another attack, no matter how small.
I’d draw parallels between where we are at now and in the foment in the late 1920’s in Austria (Vienna), where there was quite a dynamic turmoil and interchange between various world-views, some of which would turn out to be extra-ugly.
There are plenty of people, such as commenters on the Ron Radosh story I just mentioned, who are not only defending Breitbart but praising him. They love this stuff. They live for it. They get their self-worth from tearing down the good names of decent people like Sherrod.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, Jul 21, 2010 11:47:45pm |
re: #125 freetoken
I see that the PJM commenters are grinding their teeth on Ron Radosh’s latest entry. Ron seems to be the last guy over there with at least a shred of a conscience left - he actually called out Breitbart for an apology.
The hate-right is now in full bloom. Like ragweed, there are seasons to their growth and reproduction. If all the sane-minded are developing allergies to reading online news then be assured it is the pollen grains of the hate-right spreading through the winds of the internet.
I’m coming to the conclusion that online capabilities - blogs/RSS/tweets etc really are becoming detrimental to our society.
The problem is the speed of gossip, hate, and lies is near the speed of light. Whereas actual research, thought, and reflection only propagates at the speed of the human mind, which is quite a bit slower.
We need to hand over running the internet to the Scientologists, only to OTIII’s or higher of course…then they can use their “superpowers” to better regulate the net…or maybe just give the job to Tom Cruise?
/
re: #137 ausador
PIMF!
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freetoken Wed, Jul 21, 2010 11:49:04pm |
re: #137 ausador
I doubt if even Tom Cruise could stop the ranters.
Seriously though, we are just seeing a well connected society rushing through memes as quickly as some huckster can generate them.
In a free society this really can’t be stopped. We just need to push back where we can. As the push-back grows the hate-crowd will find themselves more and more isolated from the main stream thought - and I do believe the actual majority (>50%) of Americans in this nation of 310 million will not buy in to the ugliness being propagate.
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Stonemason Wed, Jul 21, 2010 11:51:15pm |
As I have written, this has been interesting, watching the self-proclaimed bull-dog of the right fail (again it seems) as well as watching those on the left gloat over the whole sordid affair.
Personally I am happy that this turned around in less than 24 hours so Ms. Sherrod can hopefully get back to life of a sort. She will forever be linked to this shameless attempt to smear her character, but it did not stick, and it shouldn’t have.
What is happening though is the right is getting more energized while the left is thinking to them selves they are set for the fall, we’ll keep the power now, we don’t have scum like those on the right…well, that’s just not true.
Neither side will ever escape the scum that drags it down, neither side will escape the pendulum swings of history. Right now, for whatever reason (and if you want to think that the majority of Americans are racist, go right ahead, I think you are wrong), the approval rating of the President is below 50%, the approval rating of Congress (led by the left) is below 25%…this will lead to changes in the fall.
Will those changes be for the better? Some will, some will not, due to the law of averages, and we will plod on. I’m gonna enjoy watching the next few months as both left and right pull out all the stops!
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Nimed Wed, Jul 21, 2010 11:58:11pm |
So Mark Levin copied from Free Republic compiled a list of Journolist conspirators, and his facebook followers immediately discovered a “pattern”. Care to guess what that pattern is?
Mark Levin’s McCarthyist JournoList membership list rapidly turns anti-Semitic
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freetoken Wed, Jul 21, 2010 11:59:29pm |
re: #141 Stonemason
… (and if you want to think that the majority of Americans are racist, go right ahead, I think you are wrong),…
Without offering up any judgement about percentages, I will say that the good ol’ boy racism is more abundant than we would like… this just off the wires:
Mayor quits after furor over Obama slur
The mayor of an upstate New York village has resigned after he was secretly recorded using a racial slur that mocked President Obama’s campaign slogan.
Mark Nadeau told a meeting filled with protesters Tuesday that he was not a racist and was stepping down as Cobleskill mayor because the controversy was hurting his family. He also apologized for saying anything that stirred hostility.“My family is number one,’’ Nadeau said. “Anybody who knows me knows I am not a racist.’’
The college and farming community near Albany has been in turmoil since the Cobleskill highway superintendent released an audio recording earlier this month. Nadeau, a white Republican, can be heard using the slur in a sarcastic play on the Obama slogan “Change.’’ Another town official can be heard using the slur to deride Martin Luther King Jr. Day.
There were plenty of people protesting against the mayor, but I am tempted to chalk that up to the fact the community has a college in it.
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palomino Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:01:03am |
re: #138 freetoken
Yes it is. It’s even an industry (t-shirts, billboards, bumper stickers… and, oh yeah, books - lots of books.)
As I’ve mentioned before, I changed my avatar in light of the crap that was building on this forum and throughout our society. I didn’t even vote for the guy but I could tell right away what was cooking under the cover of the more backwards of American social pots.
Right now I consider the right-wing/hate-right vomiting of racist memes the #1 social issue in US political discussion. The turn onto latinos is only beginning - AZ is but a stepping stone for the Tea Partiers. The anti-Islam sentiment can not be contained and heaven help us if some real jihadist carries off another attack, no matter how small.
I’d draw parallels between where we are at now and in the foment in the late 1920’s in Austria (Vienna), where there was quite a dynamic turmoil and interchange between various world-views, some of which would turn out to be extra-ugly.
There are plenty of people, such as commenters on the Ron Radosh story I just mentioned, who are not only defending Breitbart but praising him. They love this stuff. They live for it. They get their self-worth from tearing down the good names of decent people like Sherrod.
Absolutely right, the discourse is now dominated by nativist, often racist, memes, certainly not policy or substance. And this is how the right sees itself getting back into power. They don’t realize it’s a dead end, but no one is really thinking past 2010 and the payback they fantasize about. In the Latino community alone, the fastest growing of all, the GOP seems intent on alienating nearly everyone to placate tea partiers and win midterm elections. A short-sighted and stupid tactic.
I think we’re in better shape than Europe at the time you refer to, if only because of demographics. The “other” being demonized by the right (black, Hispanic, Muslim, gay, whatever) is too large and now vocal to simply be steamrolled. Indeed, these groups are all growing faster than the “real Americans” who, for now at least, are still the majority.
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Stonemason Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:14:47am |
re: #143 freetoken
The left is in power, so the rabid right is getting the play, getting the air time, they are always there, they were there during the Aughts and before, just not on the news.
What was news back then was the weekly anti-war rallies, remember? The Code-pink sit-ins in San Fran and Cindy Sheehan and her rag tag bunch kissing up to Chavez in between camping trips to Crawford.
The out-of-power is shrill, and the squeaky wheel gets the grease.
Yes, it can be agrued that ‘it is worse now’, sure, just like it could be argued that the left sidling up to avowed socialist dictators was ‘worse then’, or the right screaming about lying under oath (while the left poo-pooed the BJ) was worse then, or the left hollaring we were all gonna die ‘cause Reagan was antagonizing the big Bear or the right were whinging about Carter and his sweater…
I can go all the way back to Studs Terkel, admitted Communist and admitted intimidating poll worker, helping get the Chicago machine back on track…
Keep our eyes open to the really nasty? Yes, of course, I hope that Breitbart loses everything except the abiltiy to care for his family, if he has one, I have always checked both Drudge and MSNBC, Fox and CNN.
Change? that would be us, the people, getting more involved, protesting like the article you linked, but, realizing that neither side holds the moral high ground.
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freetoken Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:18:34am |
re: #144 palomino
I think we’re in better shape than Europe at the time you refer to, if only because of demographics. The “other” being demonized by the right (black, Hispanic, Muslim, gay, whatever) is too large and now vocal to simply be steamrolled. Indeed, these groups are all growing faster than the “real Americans” who, for now at least, are still the majority.
I agree. And as a US citizen I am very glad to see the rise of the “brown” population, as it is deemed in the eyes of some, in this country. For example, we benefit tremendously from the growth of the latino community. I’m not talking about cheap laborers. Rather, it is my direct observation (here in San Diego where there is quite a mix of people from various backgrounds) that new immigrants seem more intent on keeping basic social standards - such as politeness - than “natives” of similar ages. Not only are we becoming more cosmopolitan but in some regards we are re-invigorating our society at the most basic level.
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Amory Blaine Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:22:12am |
re: #125 freetoken
I see that the PJM commenters are grinding their teeth on Ron Radosh’s latest entry. Ron seems to be the last guy over there with at least a shred of a conscience left - he actually called out Breitbart for an apology.
The hate-right is now in full bloom. Like ragweed, there are seasons to their growth and reproduction. If all the sane-minded are developing allergies to reading online news then be assured it is the pollen grains of the hate-right spreading through the winds of the internet.
I’m coming to the conclusion that online capabilities - blogs/RSS/tweets etc really are becoming detrimental to our society.
The problem is the speed of gossip, hate, and lies is near the speed of light. Whereas actual research, thought, and reflection only propagates at the speed of the human mind, which is quite a bit slower.
Here’s a classic from pjm comments.
I believe Breitbart is one of the very few first rate journalist who deserves front page center every day. He is competent in the issues he covers, which by itself puts him in an elite group of very few people…Most pretty boys/girls parading as journalist have no background on the issues they cover…and they come off as complete fools not even competent to ask relevant questions…
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freetoken Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:26:02am |
re: #145 Stonemason
Change? that would be us, the people, getting more involved, protesting like the article you linked, but, realizing that neither side holds the moral high ground.
Sorry, I’m not buying the equivocation.
As you pointed out, Sheehan’s group really was rag-tag committee. CodePink likewise. These were symbolic efforts that got lots of media play but involved relatively few people.
Slick Willie’s sexual escapades, though I agree were serious abuses of executive power, seem rather non important compared to what is going on today simply because it involved one man and one woman (or perhaps a couple of women.)
In those types of cases we are looking at individuals or small groups who become media darlings. Once the attention passes it is hard to see what effects remain.
What we have in today’s revanchism movement involves quite a few more people, enough to take over the balance of power of entire congressional districts. Tea Partyism and the like really are populist movements, not just the brief stardoms of attention-starved individuals.
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Stonemason Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:29:43am |
re: #146 freetoken
To be directly honest, here in PA the almost opposite is true, sure the ‘native’ Americans have lost touch with basic humanity, but standing in a Wawa at 7 am, listening to the day laborers degrade each young lady that walks by (in a language they think only they understand) boils the blood sometimes.
Oh, and where is the civility in those houses that pop up in every community designed to ‘service’ the men who are just here to make a better life? Those girls…
Where you are may be an established immigrant community, where I am, not so much, maybe 15 years. Lost a trauma center due to too many unpaid bills, drug crime up, urban blight up and school system down.
The city is trying hard to come back, to embrace the new community but it seems at times this new community does not want to be embraced, they want to slip in, make money (by working extremely hard at difficult jobs, usually way underpaid) and go home in the winter, all cash, no taxes to the city other than what is garnered through real estate taxes on the apartment rentals, if that is reported…
Okay, too many anecdotes, but the picture in Coatesville is not the picture in San Diego, my point is that there are many perspectives on every situation, and there is not one ‘silver bullet’.
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palomino Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:33:47am |
re: #145 Stonemason
I think you’re leaving something fundamental out of your analysis. The wacky left didn’t throw huge rallies hosted by Dem leaders in Congress. Indeed, most Dem politicians stayed far away, aggressively distancing themselves from the fringe left groups you mention.
Today’s right-wing movement is very different. There’s now a Tea Party Caucus in the House. GOP leaders are everywhere in the TP movement. Palin, Bachmann, Tancredo, King, even Boehner and McConnell fall all over one another kissing up to the tea partiers. This isn’t just some fringe Code Pink outfit—the TP has gone from fringe to mainstream, and the GOP has embraced it.
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Stonemason Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:40:42am |
re: #148 freetoken
I respecfully disagree and give you the 2006 Congressional drubbing the GOP took as proof that what seemed to be ‘relatively few people’ did indeed take over entire congressional districts.
Please, understand, I am not preaching moral equivalence, I guess I am preaching immoral equivalence. I readily admit that there are complete scum in the Republican Party, I point out to all who ask me that the TP either needs to disavow the fringe elements or they will fail, and I vote for a candidate, not a party.
I just tend to not buy into the whole ‘we’re better than they are’ stuff that goes on when Party A is in power and is pointing out the foibles of Party B. There were many on the right (and many right here at LGF) who considered the Sheehan stuff the end of the Democrat party, that Code Pink would finally expose the left for the communists that they were percieved to be, and it never happened.
The GOP has been painted with this same brush in the past, because those racist idiots tend to vote republican, but let’s face it, those Communist ididots tend to vote Democrat!
Racism has no place, none, ever, and I am willing to bet that the percentage of actual racists in the TP movement is much smaller than it seems, just as the actual number of communists in the Democrat party is smaller than it seems.
No, I am not equating the two, I am simply using them as examples. I could use anti-semite and racist, I could use Protectionist and Expansionist, I could use Swinger and Furry…
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palomino Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:41:22am |
re: #146 freetoken
I agree. And as a US citizen I am very glad to see the rise of the “brown” population, as it is deemed in the eyes of some, in this country. For example, we benefit tremendously from the growth of the latino community. I’m not talking about cheap laborers. Rather, it is my direct observation (here in San Diego where there is quite a mix of people from various backgrounds) that new immigrants seem more intent on keeping basic social standards - such as politeness - than “natives” of similar ages. Not only are we becoming more cosmopolitan but in some regards we are re-invigorating our society at the most basic level.
Right, and even on a practical, somewhat cynical note, it’s in our best interests to encourage immigration. Our population is growing now because of immigrants, NOT because families already here are having more kids. Birthrates for non-immigrants are way down, which could lead to a huge problem in the future funding entitlements. But with immigrant populations growing, the young workers needed to support the Social Security and Medicare systems will be here.
I’ve always thought it was the height of nativist arrogance to prioritize white European immigrants and their descendants as the “real Americans.” Length of time your family has been here is not a defining characteristic in one’s American-ness.
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Amory Blaine Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:48:53am |
This isn’t the America of 1850s where you could strike out in the wilderness on your own and carve out an existence.
This isn’t the America of the 1950s when you could stumble out of high school into a bread winning job and build a family.
This is the America of 2010 where we better get our priorities straight because the rest of the world isn’t waiting for us.
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Stonemason Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:50:51am |
re: #150 palomino
The size and scope of the TP seams bigger than say move on or code pink, but I have also seen on many left leaning blogs that FOx news is constantly editing pictures to make TP rallies look bigger than they are…
the caucus thing? There are too many caucuses to count
Once again, the shrill gets the play, right now the shrill is TP.
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krypto Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:56:54am |
re: #70 ausador
Hey! No fair comparing what we said yesterday to what we said today! Uhh…uhm…you…your just a liberal who hates the “fair and balanced™” truth!
Once again Fox proves itself to be anything but “fair and balanced,” I wonder if any of their fans noticed? Naww, stupid question, if they were smart enough to notice they wouldn’t be watching Fox anyway, well except for the ones who only watch it for the comedic/outrage value, like me.
/guilty
As someone else put it, another good reason to watch Fox News is to find out what the people who don’t think are thinking.
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Stonemason Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:59:26am |
re: #153 Amory Blaine
This is the America of 2010 where we better get our priorities straight because the rest of the world isn’t waiting for us.
That is spot on. What are the priorities though?
Pull back from the world like Laup Nor wants us to do?
Continue down this path towards Euro style Social/capitalism?
Allow the energy to run out by never tapping our own reserves in order to force the use of ‘green’ energy?
Feed the rich and tax the poor?
De-regulate or re-regulate?
What are they? Me, personally…keep it local, work from the ground up, fix the Township, if it’s broken, move on to the county, then state. With the power of all of us, we can do more than the surviving we are doing now.
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palomino Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:08:36am |
re: #154 Stonemason
The size and scope of the TP seams bigger than say move on or code pink, but I have also seen on many left leaning blogs that FOx news is constantly editing pictures to make TP rallies look bigger than they are…
the caucus thing? There are too many caucuses to count
Once again, the shrill gets the play, right now the shrill is TP.
There better be a lot of tea partiers. It’s the GOP’s great white hope for November.
Even if Fox embellishes (after all, that is Fox SOP), the TP rallies draw big crowds, in the tens of thousands. And the organization has over a million members registered to one TP or another across the US. This dwarfs, by a factor of 1000, the lefty organizations like Code Pink.
But the big difference is that GOP elected officials have embraced the TP movement, speaking (often hysterically) at their rallies, and these leaders are actually afraid to even criticize the TP. Such a dynamic wasn’t really in place on the left during W’s terms.
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:11:01am |
re: #153 Amory Blaine
This isn’t the America of 1850s where you could strike out in the wilderness on your own and carve out an existence.
This isn’t the America of the 1950s when you could stumble out of high school into a bread winning job and build a family.
I want my county back! *sob*sniff*
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:21:52am |
re: #156 Stonemason
That is spot on. What are the priorities though?
Pull back from the world like Laup Nor wants us to do?
More than a coincidence? “Luap Nor” spelled backwards is RON PAUL
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Stonemason Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:26:26am |
re: #157 palomino
Oh, but they were…the SEIU has 2.2 million members alone.
I don’t want to get into the specifics though, really I don’t. I can google Pelosi and Move on, or Pelosi and union…and come up with pictures of the Speaker of the House at a rally held by, promoted by, or attended by, one of those groups.
I am not down-playing the percieved power of the TP, not at all, they exist, they are loud, and certain members of the GOP are embroiled in the mess, all of that is true.
Does that mean I throw up my hands and pull the D lever? Is every person at a TP rally a racist? are there racists at every TP rally or do only the rallies where racists are found get air time?
All of that takes away from what Amory said above, we need to get priorities straight, whinging about the TP, Move on, Code Pink…none of that rights the ship.
Example: I dislike the union of which I am a member. How does one change that? The letter to the editor didn’t work, it just got me a phone call from the President…what worked was taking a position in the union, exposing the problems to light, and getting one or two of them fixed (still many to go).
The same thing with politics, the TP sucks? Join the local chapter and kick the racists out, loudly and often, the point will be made.
That isn’t what the left wants though, the left seems to want to gloat over the mistakes, the nasty crap, and the racism. When the national group kicked out the express group the response from the left was predictable: Good, but…but…but. (Even the top post here was a good, but post)
So, just for fun, and ‘cause I don’t feel like going back to work yet, what are those priorities?
Mine: shrinking the bloat of government, from the ground up like I said earlier, line by line get rid of wasteful spending. So many say it can’t be done, so no one tries, we need someone to try.
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Stonemason Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:27:09am |
re: #159 ralphieboy
Is there a poll to vote in, where is it?
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:38:52am |
re: #156 Stonemason
That is spot on. What are the priorities though?
Pull back from the world like Laup Nor wants us to do?
Continue down this path towards Euro style Social/capitalism?
Allow the energy to run out by never tapping our own reserves in order to force the use of ‘green’ energy?
Feed the rich and tax the poor?
De-regulate or re-regulate?
Pull back from the world:
as long as we are dependennt on politically unstable, socially underdeveloped parts of the world for our energy supplies, we will find ourselves being drawn into conflicts we cannot win.
Eurosocialsm:
If America tried to introduce Euro-style socialism, the economy would collapse and there would be rioting in the streets. If Europeans tried to introduce American-style capitalism, there would be rioting in the streets and the economy would collapse.
There are things we can both learn from each other, but our history and cultures are too different for the other’s model to work.
Green Energy:
It is not about forcing green energy, but about allowing it, about recognizing the cost to the nation on relying on petroleum both foreign (Middle East) and domestic (Gulf Coast) and realizing that conservationism is not about living in lean-tos and wiping our butts with leaves, it’s about advancing technology to make it more efficient and economical.
Tax the rich, eat the poor:
Tax cuts for the rich are fine if we have a system that encourages them to re-invest that money to create jobs at home. Right now our system encourages them to invest wherever they obtain the highest rate of return, and that is often overseas.
Re/De-regulation
A minimum amount of regulation up front can prevent or mitigate catastophic failure down the line: we saw that in the financial industry and in the BP fiasco. I am for keeping government to a minimum, but when it fails its basic responsibility to ensure that markets function properly and that basic environmental and safety standards are upheld, the result is that even more government is necessary to intervene and prevent collapse.
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Amory Blaine Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:41:46am |
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Stonemason Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:59:18am |
re: #162 ralphieboy
There is nothing wrong at all with your suggestions, and they fit both left and right thinking…so, how do they get enacted?
The pull back: never…too many depend on our aid, therefore, we go.
History shows that we will continue down the road to some form of socialism, then, colapse. There will be a tipping point where the producers are outnumbered by the non-producing consumers. Some think the drift towards a more social economy is the collapse.
While there are so many subsidies for ‘green’ energy, the cost will remain high, once those products have to stand on thier own, costs will fall. Solar on my roof, for a 3 bed ranch, well over $50,000. I would never get that back, ever. The amount of energy I would consume to earn the $50,000 would overshadow the savings of the solar power. Oh, and I am not allowed to install a windmill…
So fix the system so that small business owners are not caught up in the ‘tax the rich’ meme. Tax overseas investments more than on-shore stuff. Do not remove the credits for offering health insura…oops, too late for that one. Remove the barriers that make it cheaper to out-source…that one is difficult when the barrier is labor cost.
Regulation is fine, when the regulators do thier jobs and the regulations are to ensure a safe product, not to inhibit growth. Had existing regulations been enforced, the BP mess would not have happened, BP knew they were not going to be troubled by regulators so they acted with impunity and killed eleven people.
Public utilities need to be regulated, power, water, and sewer. Phones have left the grid, can’t regualte them anymore.
oh well, back to work.
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palomino Thu, Jul 22, 2010 1:59:42am |
re: #160 Stonemason
You’re equating TP and SEIU. Why? Because Beck and Limbaugh refer to “SEIU thugs” on a regular basis? One is a union of working class folks, most of whom just want better wages. Hardly the explicitly political, nativist, populist mess that is the Tea Parties.
I’d believe that the TP cared about small govt if they’d been more than a gleam in Ron Paul’s eye before Obama’s election. But they barely existed before Obama took office. And then they took off…with a self-contradicting message of lower taxes and balanced budgets with no spending cuts to entitlements. Their real anger is over being out of power for the first time since 1992. They seem to have no substantive disagreement on anything with the Palin-Demint-Bachmann wing of the GOP.
As for the racism in the TP, no one has been seriously suggesting that they are ALL racists, not the NAACP or anyone else of any stature. But the racist elements—Mark Williams, Dale Robertson, Tom Tancredo, et al.—are right there in plain sight, and the TP leadership has done little til now to admonish them.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 22, 2010 2:00:44am |
re: #166 palomino
SEIU THUGS!
ACORN!
YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY CHECK IS LATE!!!
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 22, 2010 2:05:22am |
re: #9 Dark_Falcon
And for those her or on other blogs who made fun of my D&D riff: fine. It’s intended to be somewhat silly, and if it doesn’t work for you and you want to mock it, that’s OK. I enjoy gaming and sometimes I use it for material for commentary. I never have claimed it to be cool, its just something I enjoy.
Late to comment but,
If they wanna make fun of their Galactic Overlords…
SUPERLASER AWAY!!!
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palomino Thu, Jul 22, 2010 2:07:57am |
re: #168 Varek Raith
COOODDDEEE PIIINNNKKK!!!
I think I could easily fit all the members of Code Pink AND the New Black Panther Party in my living room. Both are tiny joke organizations. Yet they still get used as the equivalency argument whenever the teabaggers are mentioned. Absurd, desperate, stupid.
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Stonemason Thu, Jul 22, 2010 2:09:36am |
re: #166 palomino
no, I was told that there was no movement as large as the TP that backed the Dems, the SEIU was just one such movement, I could have used teachers unions, or, how about the UAW? It could be argued that those entities put the fear into dem politicians, as the TP does with the GOP.
The Beck and Limbaugh comment? do not have any clue (other than from here) what either one of them are saying.
I have agreed, more than once, and will do so again, that the TP sucks. I do not understand why that is continually missed.
My point is, and has always been, that the party out of power is always portrayed as having this ‘movement’ that will get them back into power, which is a self-fulfilling prophecy due to the nature of the media.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 22, 2010 2:11:31am |
Glenn Beck has macular dystrophy
Fox TV personality Glenn Beck announced last week that he has an eye disorder known as macular dystrophy and “could go blind the next year.”Beck began to cry during the speech at his “American Revival” tour in Salt Lake City, Utah, on Saturday.
“I know what my wife looks like,” he said. “I know what my children look like. I have a great imagination. I know what color looks like. But I love to read.”
Beck, 46, then joked, “I thought to myself I’m too darn lazy to learn Braille.”
He said he was having trouble focusing his eyes and went to a doctor.
Macular dystrophy can be a confusing term, because it’s used broadly and interchangeably with several diseases including macular degeneration, a common cause of blindness for Americans over the age of 60.
For someone at the age of 46, the macular dystrophy Beck referred to could be hereditary forms of retina damage, said Dr. David DiLoreto, assistant professor of ophthalmology at the University of Rochester Medical Center, who is not involved in Beck’s care.
I wish him the best.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 22, 2010 2:15:30am |
Sheesh, you’d think everyone was in bed or something!
///
:)
Time for my walk.
Later gators!
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 22, 2010 2:21:28am |
re: #165 Stonemason
While there are so many subsidies for ‘green’ energy, the cost will remain high, once those products have to stand on thier own, costs will fall. Solar on my roof, for a 3 bed ranch, well over $50,000. I would never get that back, ever. The amount of energy I would consume to earn the $50,000 would overshadow the savings of the solar power. Oh, and I am not allowed to install a windmill…
Other forms of energy are also subsidized, just so indirectly that they are not included in the price of the energy: petroleum is subsidized through the cost of the military we need to secure access to supplies
Nuclear is very indirectly subsidized through liability caps which artificially lower the cost of insuring them against catastrophic failure. If those costs were built into the cost of the energy, then “green” energy would look a lot more competitive.
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palomino Thu, Jul 22, 2010 2:27:17am |
re: #171 Stonemason
no, I was told that there was no movement as large as the TP that backed the Dems, the SEIU was just one such movement, I could have used teachers unions, or, how about the UAW? It could be argued that those entities put the fear into dem politicians, as the TP does with the GOP.
The Beck and Limbaugh comment? do not have any clue (other than from here) what either one of them are saying.
I have agreed, more than once, and will do so again, that the TP sucks. I do not understand why that is continually missed.
My point is, and has always been, that the party out of power is always portrayed as having this ‘movement’ that will get them back into power, which is a self-fulfilling prophecy due to the nature of the media.
SEIU and UAW have been around for decades, so they aren’t really comparable to the TP, a brand new organization that sprang forth after the 2008 election, fueled by conservative anger over their losses. Moreover, the unions you mention exist for reasons other than getting political candidates elected. Most importantly, you may not agree with the UAW politically, but they aren’t crazy revanchist populists freaked out because America is changing quickly on many fronts.
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Stonemason Thu, Jul 22, 2010 2:27:22am |
re: #174 ralphieboy
Good points, but with the military cost, that seems a stretch. Our military protects much more than oil.
As far as the liability issues with nuclear, that makes sense. Electricity has always been rather cheap (at least here in PA), but that is about to change, drastically, as de-reg takes effect. The costs of those ‘subsidized’ sources is going to be passed on.
I guess I should have been clearer though. By ‘un-subsidizing’ stuff, the prices all go up, making green just seem cheap by comparison. If my electric bill were to triple, and the solar stayed the same, I’d go solar in a minute. Of course I would be working more side jobs to pay for it…
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Stonemason Thu, Jul 22, 2010 2:33:58am |
re: #176 Stonemason
Okay, no unions then. Huge Dem supporters, but what the heck.
How about an entity formed in say, 1998 or so, then, in 2002, about the same time frame in a Rep Presidency, a membership of 3.2 million, very loud, very active, and embraced by many Dem politicians.
But that was then, it is gone, over, done. They were the noise back then, the TP is the noise today, hence, air time. If McCain was president, there would be no TP, but, if Hillary was, there would be. To say different would seem to paint the entire membership as racist, which no one has done on this thread.
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palomino Thu, Jul 22, 2010 2:35:50am |
re: #176 Stonemason
Good points, but with the military cost, that seems a stretch. Our military protects much more than oil.
As far as the liability issues with nuclear, that makes sense. Electricity has always been rather cheap (at least here in PA), but that is about to change, drastically, as de-reg takes effect. The costs of those ‘subsidized’ sources is going to be passed on.
I guess I should have been clearer though. By ‘un-subsidizing’ stuff, the prices all go up, making green just seem cheap by comparison. If my electric bill were to triple, and the solar stayed the same, I’d go solar in a minute. Of course I would be working more side jobs to pay for it…
True that the military does much more than protect oil, but oil has other secondary costs—the ones that are unintended, but foreseeable. Such as pollution cleanup, huge environmental costs, contribution to AGW, adverse health effects. Wind, water, solar have far less.
Then there’s the geopolitical context, which keeps us more involved in middle east affairs than we need to be. “Cheap” oil, even if it exists now, won’t be cheap forever. China and India want some too, remember. As Europe and Japan plan for the future, we can just sit back, knowing what’s going to happen and doing little about it. That would be a huge mistake long term.
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Stonemason Thu, Jul 22, 2010 2:40:06am |
re: #177 Stonemason
oops, sorry, linked to 2006, not 2004. Still valid in my mind though, as evidence of having been down this road before.
I know, pointing it out is somehow wrong, no matter how many times I say the TP sucks, and that I am not playing moral anything, just stating the fac that the party out of power gets the air time which leads to them eventually being the party back in power.
It would be nice to install some normal people in the mix when that happens…
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palomino Thu, Jul 22, 2010 2:43:27am |
re: #177 Stonemason
Okay, no unions then. Huge Dem supporters, but what the heck.
How about an entity formed in say, 1998 or so, then, in 2002, about the same time frame in a Rep Presidency, a membership of 3.2 million, very loud, very active, and embraced by many Dem politicians.
But that was then, it is gone, over, done. They were the noise back then, the TP is the noise today, hence, air time. If McCain was president, there would be no TP, but, if Hillary was, there would be. To say different would seem to paint the entire membership as racist, which no one has done on this thread.
MoveOn is definitely a better comparison, but it was virtually invisible compared to Tea Party Nation. And it didn’t have that toxic mix of nativism and populism that makes the TP so, uhh, 19th century.
Sure, there would have been TPs if Hillary had won. Because the TP mantra of smaller govt is really “smaller govt only when my party is out of power.” But the tone of their rhetoric would have been different. Her American-ness would have been called into question a lot less.
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Stonemason Thu, Jul 22, 2010 2:44:21am |
re: #178 palomino
I agree, we need to get all forms of power at about the same price, right? See, I am wrong here, because if we raise the price of electricity, we kill the lower middle class, again.
What is the solution? Are these panels really that expensive to mass produce? Or is the cost high due to some conspiracy. I honestly don’t know, but I do know that it is more important to me to feed and clothe my kids than to go broke installing solar on my roof.
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palomino Thu, Jul 22, 2010 2:49:56am |
re: #181 Stonemason
I agree, we need to get all forms of power at about the same price, right? See, I am wrong here, because if we raise the price of electricity, we kill the lower middle class, again.
What is the solution? Are these panels really that expensive to mass produce? Or is the cost high due to some conspiracy. I honestly don’t know, but I do know that it is more important to me to feed and clothe my kids than to go broke installing solar on my roof.
No one wants you to go broke installing solar panels. But we’re probably in a position where we can choose a little pain now or a lot later on. We’ve all gotten very used to convenient and relatively cheap energy, but it has an expiration date.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 22, 2010 2:50:13am |
re: #181 Stonemason
I agree, we need to get all forms of power at about the same price, right? See, I am wrong here, because if we raise the price of electricity, we kill the lower middle class, again.
What is the solution? Are these panels really that expensive to mass produce? Or is the cost high due to some conspiracy. I honestly don’t know, but I do know that it is more important to me to feed and clothe my kids than to go broke installing solar on my roof.
I can get a solar rig for $300 right now, maybe not the giant rooftop rig, but certainly enough to make a dent in your monthly bill if you live in a sunny climate
And solar panels are going down in price pretty quickly, no conspiracy, just hasn’t hit the big time, hasn’t become widely adopted to truly kick in the economics of scale.
Remember how expensive a laptop was in 2000? Now look at them.
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rwdflynavy Thu, Jul 22, 2010 2:57:12am |
Good Morning Lizards!
Today’s Simpson’s Quote:
Homer: Lisa, if the Bible has taught us nothing else, and it hasn’t, it’s that girls should stick to girls sports, such as hot oil wrestling and foxy boxing and such and such.
Also, anyone looking for a cool free audio book should check out Earthcore by Scott Sigler
It is really good stuff!
Learned about it on the Nerdist pod cast.
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 22, 2010 2:57:56am |
re: #178 palomino
Then there’s the geopolitical context, which keeps us more involved in middle east affairs than we need to be
I can support a US presence in the world if we are truly defending democracy, but what are we doing in the Middle East defending a bunch of feudal monarchies that do not even recognize basic human rights?
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rwdflynavy Thu, Jul 22, 2010 2:58:51am |
re: #185 ralphieboy
I can support a US presence in the world if we are truly defending democracy, but what are we doing in the Middle East defending a bunch of feudal monarchies that do not even recognize basic human rights?
Actually we are defending Europe and Asia’s access to Middle East Oil. IIRC we don’t get too much of ours from there, but they do.
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:02:33am |
re: #186 rwdflynavy
Actually we are defending Europe and Asia’s access to Middle East Oil. IIRC we don’t get too much of ours from there, but they do.
They are starting to get more of their supplies from Russia and the Ex-Soviet Union.
But the point is that the US, Japan and Western Europe consume about five times their populations’ share of oil. As long as that is the case, they are going to be forced to deal with a disproportionate share of the world’s crises.
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rwdflynavy Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:06:13am |
re: #187 ralphieboy
They are starting to get more of their supplies from Russia and the Ex-Soviet Union.
But the point is that the US, Japan and Western Europe consume about five times their populations’ share of oil. As long as that is the case, they are going to be forced to deal with a disproportionate share of the world’s crises.
We deal with a disproportionate share of the world’s crises because we are the world’s lone superpower. That won’t change just based on where we get our fuel.
Off to the salt lick.
BBLL.
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:16:41am |
re: #188 rwdflynavy
We deal with a disproportionate share of the world’s crises because we are the world’s lone superpower. That won’t change just based on where we get our fuel.
Off to the salt lick.
BBLL.
We would be able to ignore a lot more of the worrld’s crises if our energy sources did not lie in the midst of their territories.
I am ready to accept a US military presence to defend and spread democracy, but just what are we defending in Saudi Arabia and the Gulf Emirates?
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laZardo Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:34:52am |
re: #183 WindUpBird
I can get a solar rig for $300 right now, maybe not the giant rooftop rig, but certainly enough to make a dent in your monthly bill if you live in a sunny climate
And solar panels are going down in price pretty quickly, no conspiracy, just hasn’t hit the big time, hasn’t become widely adopted to truly kick in the economics of scale.
Remember how expensive a laptop was in 2000? Now look at them.
My laptop cost $1800 in 2004. Probably spent about 1/3 of that on replacement parts over the six(!) years it’s been running. And it still is.
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laZardo Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:37:04am |
re: #189 ralphieboy
We would be able to ignore a lot more of the worrld’s crises if our energy sources did not lie in the midst of their territories.
I am ready to accept a US military presence to defend and spread democracy, but just what are we defending in Saudi Arabia and the Gulf Emirates?
I’ve theorized that all that money and western “influence” flowing into that region is slowly making cracks in their ultraconservative religious cultural wall. The authorities there are obviously reacting as they are expected, through extra surveillance and harsh punishments, but the cracks are there.
Also, we could as well be defending them from Iran.
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RogueOne Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:38:25am |
“It’s almost like the whole thing was coordinated”…..
She needs a blackboard.
Morning All!
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:39:07am |
Ah, nothing like walking right into an orb weaver spider’s web at 5:30 in the morning.
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harlequinade Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:39:17am |
re: #16 PT Barnum
It’s all good. I wish I lived somewhere where I could find a good group to game with. Although WoW took its place for a while, it proved to be way too much of a time sink.
Might I suggest a LGF skype/Wave game? I used to play on Skype with people I grew up with in a number of different time zones. There’s some great dice rolling programs out there…
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:44:56am |
Heh, I think Breadbasket is slightly more influential amongst the right than Code Pink ever was amongst the left…
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laZardo Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:46:44am |
re: #194 harlequinade
Might I suggest a LGF skype/Wave game? I used to play on Skype with people I grew up with in a number of different time zones. There’s some great dice rolling programs out there…
How about Alien Swarm?
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teleskiguy Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:47:10am |
Watching yesterday’s and today’s Maddow makes me kind of ashamed to be a conservative. Where are the leaders? Conservative leaders are virtually nonexistent today. Oh Bill Buckley, how we miss ye!
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RogueOne Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:47:36am |
re: #196 Varek Raith
Heh, I think Breadbasket is slightly more influential amongst the right than Code Pink ever was amongst the left…
I’m not sure what the deal is with the shovel and the other guy is wearing orange.
I just heard on Morning Joe that O’Reilly apologized for his reaction to the Sherrod video last night. Was that part of the Maddow piece?
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laZardo Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:49:35am |
re: #198 teleskiguy
Watching yesterday’s and today’s Maddow makes me kind of ashamed to be a conservative. Where are the leaders? Conservative leaders are virtually nonexistent today. Oh Bill Buckley, how we miss ye!
I’m still waiting on a new progressive leader. A graying 1960s safety advocate and a batshit-insane anti-Semite just won’t do. Where’s a 21st-century-TR when you need him/her!?
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:53:00am |
re: #199 RogueOne
I’m not sure what the deal is with the shovel and the other guy is wearing orange.
I just heard on Morning Joe that O’Reilly apologized for his reaction to the Sherrod video last night. Was that part of the Maddow piece?
Beats me on both counts.
:shrugs:
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teleskiguy Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:53:04am |
re: #200 laZardo
I’m still waiting on a new progressive leader. A graying 1960s safety advocate and a batshit-insane anti-Semite just won’t do. Where’s a 21st-century-TR when you need him/her!?
I got all your references except one: Who is the batshit-insane anti-Semite progressive leader you speak of?
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RogueOne Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:54:26am |
I just lit my last cigarette. Well, that’s the plan at least. If I disappear over the weekend you guys know I probably killed somebody. Just know whoever it turns out to be, they had it coming.
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RogueOne Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:55:05am |
re: #202 teleskiguy
I got all your references except one: Who is the batshit-insane anti-Semite progressive leader you speak of?
I was confused too, he’s going to need to narrow it down a bit more for me.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:55:13am |
re: #203 RogueOne
I just lit my last cigarette. Well, that’s the plan at least. If I disappear over the weekend you guys know I probably killed somebody. Just know whoever it turns out to be, they had it coming.
Just find some Ewoks and use a flamethrower on em!
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:56:01am |
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RogueOne Thu, Jul 22, 2010 3:57:09am |
Someone help me out. Last month there was a dem congressman who gave a little speech on the floor and it sounded like he was saying the people on welfare/unemployment are “damaged”. It wasn’t what he meant but that was how it was portrayed, he apologized, etc… Anyone remember his name?
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RogueOne Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:00:02am |
re: #206 Varek Raith
Just find some Ewoks and use a flamethrower on em!
I bought a big bag of “something the government doesn’t believe I should be allowed to have” and a bunch of candy. I figure between the chantix and the self-medication I should be ok. I just need to stay away from people over the next few days.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:01:17am |
re: #209 RogueOne
I bought a big bag of “something the government doesn’t believe I should be allowed to have” and a bunch of candy. I figure between the chantix and the self-medication I should be ok. I just need to stay away from people over the next few days.
Tactical nukes?
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:02:41am |
re: #208 RogueOne
Someone help me out. Last month there was a dem congressman who gave a little speech on the floor and it sounded like he was saying the people on welfare/unemployment are “damaged”. It wasn’t what he meant but that was how it was portrayed, he apologized, etc… Anyone remember his name?
A quick google search finds nothing useful.
Thanks, google, you suck!
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RogueOne Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:04:13am |
re: #211 Varek Raith
Same problem here. I’ve tried rephrasing it a few different times and I can picture the guy but I’m finding nothing.
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RogueOne Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:06:00am |
News Alert: Sherrod is going to be on Morning Joe in a few minutes.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:07:20am |
re: #214 RogueOne
News Alert: Sherrod is going to be on Morning Joe in a few minutes.
It would be a “News Alert” if there was a show that DIDN’T book her!
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:07:27am |
re: #191 laZardo
I’ve theorized that all that money and western “influence” flowing into that region is slowly making cracks in their ultraconservative religious cultural wall. The authorities there are obviously reacting as they are expected, through extra surveillance and harsh punishments, but the cracks are there.
Also, we could as well be defending them from Iran.
Going back in time, I would like to point out that Iran was a stable, progressive, secular democracy until 1953, when the legally elected government threatened to nationalize the oil industry there.
Our CIA installed the Shah, whose US-supported reign of terror collapsed in the Islamic Revolution which gave us current Islamic government of Iran.
The Saudis buy domestic tranquility by tolerating and even supporting the Wahabites, who preach Islamist philosophy in their schools. Is it any coincidence that 15 of the 19 9/11 attackers came from therre, as did Bin Ladin?
We ought to be in a position to put pressure on the Saudis to reform their society and political/legal system by withholding sales of technology, but we are so dependent on their resources that we just have to shut up and go along with them.
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RogueOne Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:08:21am |
re: #215 sattv4u2
It would be a “News Alert” if there was a show that DIDN’T book her!
Hey, she may as well make lemonade out of this.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:09:31am |
re: #216 ralphieboy
Thanks for this. A lot of people like to forget how much we (and Britain) fucked over Iran.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:09:58am |
re: #217 RogueOne
Hey, she may as well make lemonade out of this.
oh, absolutely.
I’ll bet she’s already been contacted by writers, agents and publishers!
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:12:00am |
re: #218 WindUpBird
Thanks for this. A lot of people like to forget how much we (and Britain) fucked over Iran.
And Iraq. Kuwait was once a province of Iraq until Britain detatched it in the 1920’s to have a secure base of operations for its petroleum industry.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:12:40am |
re: #218 WindUpBird
Thanks for this. A lot of people like to forget how much we (and Britain) fucked over Iran.
Correct
A lot of people have eithre very short term memories OR don’t know/understand history
iirc, someone on here several weeks ago was a tad fuzzy on the hostage crises of ‘79
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:12:48am |
re: #220 ralphieboy
And Iraq. Kuwait was once a province of Iraq until Britain detatched it in the 1920’s to have a secure base of operations for its petroleum industry.
Ah colonialism.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:13:41am |
re: #220 ralphieboy
And Iraq. Kuwait was once a province of Iraq until Britain detatched it in the 1920’s to have a secure base of operations for its petroleum industry.
Hence, Saddams “claim” to it when he invaded.
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RogueOne Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:13:51am |
re: #218 WindUpBird
Thanks for this. A lot of people like to forget how much we (and Britain) fucked over Iran.
+2 for mentioning Britain. No one ever does. The whole Iranian episode was their mess but we certainly helped. I’d also like to point out that the end of colonialism brought about the end of the the “progressive” Islamic regimes. Islam stopped being progressive once the western influence, and power, left.
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laZardo Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:14:26am |
re: #216 ralphieboy
Of course, this isn’t 1953. And even though we can safely assume the Iranians still hold a “grudge,” I found it disappointing that we did nothing to stop the government suppression from last year’s elections.
As for our dependence on Saudi oil, maybe it’s a pipe dream that the BP spill will be a wake-up call to more investment in renewable sources of energy.
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laZardo Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:14:56am |
re: #220 ralphieboy
And Iraq. Kuwait was once a province of Iraq until Britain detatched it in the 1920’s to have a secure base of operations for its petroleum industry.
And Panama, which we detached from Colombia for…wait, why was it again?
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:16:52am |
re: #227 laZardo
And Panama, which we detached from Colombia for…wait, why was it again?
For the Northwest Passage…
or was it the Kessel Run???
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:17:55am |
re: #227 laZardo
And Panama, which we detached from Colombia for…wait, why was it again?
bananas?
baby pygmy mamosets?
//
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:18:09am |
re: #224 RogueOne
+2 for mentioning Britain. No one ever does. The whole Iranian episode was their mess but we certainly helped. I’d also like to point out that the end of colonialism brought about the end of the the “progressive” Islamic regimes. Islam stopped being progressive once the western influence, and power, left.
Not exactly, Iran was a progessive, secular state until 1953, it was just turning a bit too socialistic for our taste. We then installed another feudal monarch.
Americans still have a lot of trouble understanding their deep-seated hatred of the west, and still believe that “they hate us for our freedoms”.
If we did not have such a strong political and military presence there, I am sure they would long ago have found somene else to hate.
We had Iraq and Iran duking it out with each other for eachother for most of the 1980’s: it was a golden age for cheap oil: both countries were selling it as fast as they could to finance their war efforts, it even threatened to undermine OPEC.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:18:25am |
re: #228 Varek Raith
For the Northwest Passage…
or was it the Kessel Run???
is that a 10K or a full marathon!?!?!
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:19:17am |
re: #231 sattv4u2
is that a 10K or a full marathon!?!?!
18 parsecs…
The Kessel Run was an 18-parsec route used by smugglers to move glitterstim spice from Kessel to an area south of the Si’Klaata Cluster without getting caught by the Imperial ships that were guarding the movement of spice from Kessel’s mines. Worlds along the Kessel Run included Fwillsving, Randa, Rion, and possibly Zerm.It took travelers in real space around The Maw leading them to an uninhabitable—but far easier to navigate—area of space called The Pit, which was an asteroid cluster encased in a nebula arm making sensors as well as pilots go virtually blind. Thus there was a high chance that pilots, weary from the long flight through real space, would crash into an asteroid.
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:19:39am |
re: #227 laZardo
And Panama, which we detached from Colombia for…wait, why was it again?
straw hats and/or Van Halen videos
[Link: www.dailymotion.com…]
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:22:11am |
re: #225 laZardo
Of course, this isn’t 1953. And even though we can safely assume the Iranians still hold a “grudge,” I found it disappointing that we did nothing to stop the government suppression from last year’s elections.
Because we are, unfortunately, not in a position to do anything effective except posture and make statements.
The sad fact is that any outside meddling in their internal affairs only untimately strengthens the hand of the ruling powers by giving them an excuse to crack down harder on “outside agitators”.
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laZardo Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:22:19am |
re: #233 ralphieboy
straw hats and/or Van Halen videos
[Link: www.dailymotion.com…]
Upding for Van Halen.
Also, it turns out Panama’s independence was TR’s fault. Heh.
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:26:33am |
I ran across an apocryphal story about the 1993 invasion of Panama to bring about a bit of “regime change” against our erstwhile man, Noriega.
Seems that he was in the custody of the military who told the US “we want to give him back”, but their accent was so bad or the phone connection so dodgy that we understood it as “we won’t give him back” and summarily invaded.
| 237 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:34:57am |
A new teacher was trying to make use of her
psychology courses. She started her class by
saying, ‘Everyone who thinks they’re stupid,
stand up!’ After a few seconds, Little Larry
stood up. The teacher said, ‘Do you think you’re
stupid, Larry?’ ‘No, ma’am, but I hate to see
you standing there all by
yourself!’
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:35:49am |
Larry watched, fascinated, as his mother smoothed cold
cream on her face. ‘Why do you do that, mommy?’
he asked. ‘To make myself beautiful,’ said his
mother, who then began removing the cream with a
tissue. ‘What’s the matter, asked Larry ‘Giving
up?’
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:36:15am |
The math teacher saw that Larry wasn’t paying
attention in class. She called on him and said,
‘Larry! What are 2 and 4 and 28 and 44?’ Larry
quickly replied, ‘NBC, FOX, ESPN and the Cartoon
Network!’
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:37:50am |
Larry’s kindergarten class was on a field trip to their
local police station where they saw pictures
tacked to a bulletin board of the 10 most wanted
criminals. One of the youngsters pointed to a
picture and asked if it really was the photo of
a wanted person. ‘Yes,’ said the policeman. ‘The
detectives want very badly to capture him. Larry
asked,”Why didn’t you keep him when you took his
picture ?
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RadicalModerate Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:41:24am |
I see we had a live one downstairs in the Palin thread doing some late-night posting about how the US is going to be run by Sharia Law and posted a Brigitte Gabriel-sponsored YouTube screed as “proof”.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:44:26am |
re: #241 RadicalModerate
I see we had a live one downstairs in the Palin thread doing some late-night posting about how the US is going to be run by Sharia Law and posted a Brigitte Gabriel-sponsored YouTube screed as “proof”.
I have urged Charles to close dead threads after an hour or so of moving on to another topic,, UNLESS there are still “regulars” there hashing things out
If nobody has posted anything for 60 minutes or so,, close it up, say I
imho
| 243 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:44:44am |
Little Larry attended a horse auction with his father.
He watched as his father moved from horse to
horse, running his hands up and down the horse’s
legs and rump, and chest. After a few minutes,
Larry asked, ‘Dad, why are you doing that?’ His
father replied, ‘Because when I’m buying horses,
I have to make sure that they are healthy and in
good shape before I buy. Larry, looking worried,
said, ‘Dad, I think the UPS guy wants to buy Mom
…’
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RogueOne Thu, Jul 22, 2010 4:56:16am |
I learned something new on the way over here. According to Morning Joe and the LA times, no one on cable news ran the Sherrod video until AFTER she was asked to resign. O’Reilly ran it HOURS AFTER SHE WAS FIRED. Is any of that news in any of the Maddow analysis? Of course not. How does that square up with the WH and NAACP statments that they were “snookered” by foxnews? They couldn’t have been. This whole entire episode has been one big lie and misrepresentation after another and the people who got taken in by it, except Ms. Sherrod, had it coming because they were all gullible and looking for ways to reinforce their own views on the opposition.
This is why you’re wasting your time watching “news” programming that does nothing but preach to the choir. If you’re watching cable programming that only reinforces your world view you could be spending that time better by watching cartoons. Although, This once again proves my own worldview…..Maddow, along with everyone else on cable news programming, is an idiot.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:01:39am |
How does that square up with the WH and NAACP statments that they were “snookered” by foxnews?
THE part that I didn’t get is that the video came from a NAACP even. The NAACP had at all times the entire video. So even IF they watched Fox’s “version” of it, how did they get “snookered” knowing what the entire video showed, not just Brietbarts creative editing
| 246 |
RogueOne Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:01:58am |
2nd time I’ve been right today, according to MSNBC the episode came up in a white house staff meeting and it went down like I figured last night. They were told the USDA had an issue and they were told what the plan of action was going to be. The WH didn’t make the decision but they were definitely informed. Some of you need to stop questioning me and just accept that I know what I’m talking about///
| 247 |
rwdflynavy Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:02:08am |
re: #244 RogueOne
I learned something new on the way over here. According to Morning Joe and the LA times, no one on cable news ran the Sherrod video until AFTER she was asked to resign. O’Reilly ran it HOURS AFTER SHE WAS FIRED. Is any of that news in any of the Maddow analysis? Of course not. How does that square up with the WH and NAACP statments that they were “snookered” by foxnews? They couldn’t have been. This whole entire episode has been one big lie and misrepresentation after another and the people who got taken in by it, except Ms. Sherrod, had it coming because they were all gullible and looking for ways to reinforce their own views on the opposition.
This is why you’re wasting your time watching “news” programming that does nothing but preach to the choir. If you’re watching cable programming that only reinforces your world view you could be spending that time better by watching cartoons. Although, This once again proves my own worldview…Maddow, along with everyone else on cable news programming, is an idiot.
But…but…Foxnews….they are bad!!11!!
//
| 248 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:02:15am |
re: #245 sattv4u2
How does that square up with the WH and NAACP statments that they were “snookered” by foxnews?
THE part that I didn’t get is that the video came from a NAACP evenT. The NAACP had at all times the entire video. So even IF they watched Fox’s “version” of it, how did they get “snookered” knowing what the entire video showed, not just Brietbarts creative editing
pimf
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garhighway Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:02:19am |
re: #180 palomino
MoveOn is definitely a better comparison, but it was virtually invisible compared to Tea Party Nation. And it didn’t have that toxic mix of nativism and populism that makes the TP so, uhh, 19th century.
Sure, there would have been TPs if Hillary had won. Because the TP mantra of smaller govt is really “smaller govt only when my party is out of power.” But the tone of their rhetoric would have been different. Her American-ness would have been called into question a lot less.
I must have missed the crowds of MoveOn people with guns talking about “watering the tree of liberty”.
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garhighway Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:03:42am |
re: #245 sattv4u2
How does that square up with the WH and NAACP statments that they were “snookered” by foxnews?
THE part that I didn’t get is that the video came from a NAACP even. The NAACP had at all times the entire video. So even IF they watched Fox’s “version” of it, how did they get “snookered” knowing what the entire video showed, not just Brietbarts creative editing
The video was with the local branch. The national NAACP came out with the quick statement. Different groups.
| 251 |
RogueOne Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:06:10am |
re: #247 rwdflynavy
But…but…Foxnews…they are bad!!11!!
//
IMHO, they’re all bad. I don’t watch anything other than Morning Joe because they amuse me and they seem to go out of their way to be fair. MSNBC evening programming is just like bizzaro-fox twins. Matthews=O’Reilly, Maddow=Beck, and Ed=Hannity. It all stupid people preaching to stupid choirs.
| 252 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:06:42am |
re: #250 garhighway
The video was with the local branch. The national NAACP came out with the quick statement. Different groups.
I see. So the national org. doesn’t have the phone number for the local branch?
“Hello,, Bill, ,,yeah,, this is Sam. Fox just ran a video of Shirley at your event. Looks pretty bad. Do you guys know anything? What? You say you have the WHOLE video there? Hey, can you send us a copy!?!?!”
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garhighway Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:06:53am |
re: #230 ralphieboy
Not exactly, Iran was a progessive, secular state until 1953, it was just turning a bit too socialistic for our taste. We then installed another feudal monarch.
Americans still have a lot of trouble understanding their deep-seated hatred of the west, and still believe that “they hate us for our freedoms”.
If we did not have such a strong political and military presence there, I am sure they would long ago have found somene else to hate.
We had Iraq and Iran duking it out with each other for eachother for most of the 1980’s: it was a golden age for cheap oil: both countries were selling it as fast as they could to finance their war efforts, it even threatened to undermine OPEC.
Read “Legacy of Ashes”. Great book. Covers this well.
You really have to wonder what would have happened if we had just let them be.
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RogueOne Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:07:20am |
The WH and USDA fired this poor lady based on nothing more than a video clip from a partisan site on the internet. Cable news programming had nothing to do with it. Someone explain to me how foxnews should be pounded up and down but the WH should be absolved of all guilt?
| 255 |
RogueOne Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:17:44am |
[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com…]
The video sparked a conflagration in the blogosphere and cable news that at first outraced the facts. O’Reilly was the first on cable to air the video, calling for Sherrod’s resignation Monday night. (By the time his taped show aired, she in fact had already resigned, a fact Fox News noted on the screen.)On Wednesday, he said he should have gotten the full story first. “I owe Ms. Sherrod an apology for not doing my homework, for not putting her remarks into the proper context,” he said on “The O’Reilly Factor,” adding that his own words had been taken out of context by critics in the past. “I well understand the need for honest reporting.”
| 256 |
RogueOne Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:25:21am |
This just keeps getting more and more delicious:
[Link: blogs.abcnews.com…]
“I can’t say that the president is fully behind me, I would hope that he is…I would love to talk to him,” Sherrod said on “GMA.”“He is not someone who has experienced what I have experienced through life, being a person of color. He might need to hear some of what I could say to him,” she told me. “I don’t know if that would guide him in a way that he deals with others like me, but I at least would like to have the opportunity to talk to him about it.”
No word yet from the White House on whether the President will call Sherrod.
| 257 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:27:33am |
re: #256 RogueOne
“I don’t know if that would guide him in a way that he deals with others like me”
I’d love to know what that means. But, it’s none of my damn business.
| 258 |
RogueOne Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:31:56am |
re: #257 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I’d love to know what that means. But, it’s none of my damn business.
It means he doesn’t have any street cred. Something I’ve said since 2008.
| 259 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:33:44am |
re: #258 RogueOne
It means he doesn’t have any street cred. Something I’ve said since 2008.
word!
/// (says the pasty 56 year old white guy)
| 260 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:35:23am |
re: #258 RogueOne
No, I’m not sure. That’s why I said I’d like to know.
I am trying to stop “knowing” what is in people’s hearts.
My question has no sinister motives. Just wonder what she meant.
| 261 |
RogueOne Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:39:33am |
So Sherrod herself is the one who gave the administration a heads up to the breitbart video and her response “see the whole video” in an e-mail monday morning and they still jumped the gun and fired her. Good lord, the stupidity in all this just gets more and more incredible.
| 262 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:40:06am |
re: #260 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I am trying to stop “knowing” what is in people’s hearts
Jeffrey Dahmer knows they taste good !!
//
| 263 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:42:31am |
ALERT
One hour and twenty minutes till I leave work
Four hours till I had back to the beach!!
nah nah neener neener !!!
| 264 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:44:52am |
re: #254 RogueOne
The WH and USDA fired this poor lady based on nothing more than a video clip from a partisan site on the internet. Cable news programming had nothing to do with it. Someone explain to me how foxnews should be pounded up and down but the WH should be absolved of all guilt?
The news organizations that played the doctored clip without verifying it do carry some blame. Cardinal rule: verify verify verify. Dan Rather forgot it; Fox News forgot it. They really, by this time, should have known not to trust anything like that, esp. if it comes from Breitbart’s site. Fox’s role was in making sure this got out to the entire nation.
Ms. Sherrod’s boss is the government employee who should be called to task, and I suspect he was.
When a government employee says “This comes from the WH” (or at the state level, “This comes from the Governor’s Office” - it doesn’t mean this came from the President or the Governor. It means some aide or another called ‘em up. Otherwise, they would say, “This comes directly from The President”, or “This comes directly from the Governor”.
Next point, if what came from the WH was a “handle it” order as I’ve heard - well, whoever interpreted that (Sherrod’s boss) to mean “fire her” was just wrong. It should have been interpreted as “Talk to her and find out what the deal is”.
I know how these things go, I worked for State government here, and we had strict requirements that every employee got an opportunity to explain their side of the situation BEFORE they were fired. I will tell you that we groaned in frustration when that policy was made, but it turned out to be the very best policy. It’s amazing what you find out when you do that; I would recommend to anyone that that be their first step before they fire or otherwise impose a disciplinary action on any employee.
| 265 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:47:33am |
re: #263 sattv4u2
ALERT
One hour and twenty minutes till I leave work
Four hours till I had back to the beach!!11 Hours till I’m sitting in a beach chair sipping an adult beverage hearing the waves and sighing!!
nah nah neener neener !!!
| 266 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:49:54am |
re: #265 sattv4u2
You can have the beach. I hate the beach.
Hate. The. Beach.
I like sitting in the room looking at the ocean through the window.
But;
Hate. The. Beach.
| 267 |
RogueOne Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:50:39am |
re: #264 reine.de.tout
the 1st key is she was fired before anyone on cable played the video. There is no way they can be blamed for any part in her firing.
2nd, Norah O’Donnell reported on MSNBC just a bit ago that the issue was brought up at a WH staff meeting before she was asked to resign. The WH KNEW what was going on. If they wanted the USDA to keep her around all they had to do was say something. They willingly went along with the USDAs analysis. They panicked over a video on breitbart, they deserve all the scorn that has been heaped on fox for behaving like cowards.
| 268 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:51:33am |
re: #264 reine.de.tout
A “handle it” note, only means one thing…
Well two things. Fire or “disappear”.
| 269 |
RadicalModerate Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:52:01am |
I just love all the attempts to shift the focus toward the NAACP and the Obama administration on this whole smear campaign, and away from Andrew Brietbart, who ALL the focus should be on.
No, instead we’re getting this passive-aggressive crap all over again that certain individuals here seem to revel in.
| 270 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:53:41am |
re: #266 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You can have the beach. I hate the beach.
Hate. The. Beach.
I like sitting in the room looking at the ocean through the window.
But;
Hate. The. Beach.
I have a calender counting down the years/months/weeks/days/hours/minutes/seconds till I retire and move there
Fro that day forward, my wardrobe will consist of shorts, bathing suits and t-shirts. My big decision on a daily basis will be to go golf, go out on the boat, go sit on the beach, or go to the pool
| 271 |
RogueOne Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:55:00am |
re: #269 RadicalModerate
I just love all the attempts to shift the focus toward the NAACP and the Obama administration on this whole smear campaign, and away from Andrew Brietbart, who ALL the focus should be on.
No, instead we’re getting this passive-aggressive crap all over again that certain individuals here seem to revel in.
How is it passive-agressive to point out the meme that this whole episode is a conspiracy between foxnews and breitbart is a total fabrication? How is it passive-aggressive to point out the meme that the WH and NAACP was snookered by foxnews is a total lie? How is it passive-aggressive to point out that the “The WH wasn’t involved” is another complete fabrication?
The WH fired a woman based solely on a breitbart video on the internet even after she told them her side of the story. Who exactly is the idiot in all of this?
| 272 |
RogueOne Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:56:37am |
I’m amazed that even after the whole truth and nothing but the truth is actually out there there are going to be people who rush to defend the actions of the WH. Amazing.
| 273 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:56:57am |
re: #269 RadicalModerate
I just love all the attempts to shift the focus toward the NAACP and the Obama administration on this whole smear campaign, and away from Andrew Brietbart, who ALL the focus should be on.
No, instead we’re getting this passive-aggressive crap all over again that certain individuals here seem to revel in.
Can you work Rove in there somewhere!?!?!
/
| 274 |
Ericus58 Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:57:01am |
re: #269 RadicalModerate
I just love all the attempts to shift the focus toward the NAACP and the Obama administration on this whole smear campaign, and away from Andrew Brietbart, who ALL the focus should be on.
No, instead we’re getting this passive-aggressive crap all over again that certain individuals here seem to revel in.
Per my posts over the last several days, my position is quite clear as to being in full support of Shirley in this escapade.
And as such, myself - as well as a majority of posters here - have always put the blame on Bitter Bart first and foremost.
However, the points now being discussed - not just here, but in the media - show a picture that some pretty weak-knee actions by several groups or administration folks should not be overlooked or ignored.
You agree?
| 275 |
PT Barnum Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:57:28am |
re: #272 RogueOne
I’m amazed that even after the whole truth and nothing but the truth is actually out there there are going to be people who rush to defend the actions of the WH. Amazing.
I’m surprised that the there are people who are totally dedicated to making this the WH’s fault instead of Breitbart’s.
| 276 |
PT Barnum Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:59:39am |
Obama needs to show some stones and start taking the fight right back to the wingnuts and their enablers. Otherwise he’s going to always be playing defense.
He needs to call these people out on their bullshit by whatever means necessary and do it often and early.
If necessary, he needs to call them liars when it applies.
| 277 |
Jeff In Ohio Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:00:18am |
re: #269 RadicalModerate
I just love all the attempts to shift the focus toward the NAACP and the Obama administration on this whole smear campaign, and away from Andrew Brietbart, who ALL the focus should be on.
No, instead we’re getting this passive-aggressive crap all over again that certain individuals here seem to revel in.
I’ll have to disagree. This is the kind of behavior I expect from Brietbart This is not the kind of behavior I expect from elected officials. Especially the ones I campaigned for.
I personally could care less when and how Fox News reported this and how they drove the story. What I do care about is how elected officials do their jobs. They did their jobs pretty poorly in all regards on this matter. This isn’t a policy decision where the outcome can be in doubt. This was a personnel decision that anyone with any middle management experience could have handled. If they in turn have given their detractors more ammo to obfuscate the real issues in this country, they should kick themselves just a little bit harder. They were pwned by the usual suspects.
And I volunteer to give Brietbart his well deserved cockpunch.
| 278 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:00:19am |
re: #275 PT Barnum
I’m surprised that the there are people who are totally dedicated to making this the WH’s fault instead of Breitbart’s.
Breitbarts part of the fault was the selective/edited video
Whoever made the decision to fire her without finding out the entire story after the vids release bears the blame from there
| 279 |
RogueOne Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:00:44am |
re: #275 PT Barnum
I’m surprised that the there are people who are totally dedicated to making this the WH’s fault instead of Breitbart’s.
Nice try. Can you find any post anywhere where I’ve said breitbart isn’t at fault? Before you wast your time looking I’ll tell you, No. The video breitbart put out was incredibly misleading but I look at it like the scorpion and the toad story, it’s in his nature and everyone should have known. Instead they took an internet video as gospel and tossed some lady under the bus while insinuating she was a racist WHEN SHE TOLD THEM HERSELF to watch the whole video and where they could get it.
| 280 |
RadicalModerate Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:01:19am |
No one is denying that the USDA, and possibly the White House - depending on how much information was given to them before they made the “deal with it” call have some culpability in this affair.
However.
NONE OF THIS WOULD HAVE OCCURRED IF ANDREW BREITBART HAD NOT PUBLISHED A KNOWINGLY FALSE AND DEFAMATORY STORY ABOUT SHIRLEY SHERROD.
PERIOD.
| 281 |
Jeff In Ohio Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:01:22am |
| 282 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:03:08am |
re: #280 RadicalModerate
No one is denying that the USDA, and possibly the White House - depending on how much information was given to them before they made the “deal with it” call have some culpability in this affair.
However.
NONE OF THIS WOULD HAVE OCCURRED IF ANDREW BREITBART HAD NOT PUBLISHED A KNOWINGLY FALSE AND DEFAMATORY STORY ABOUT SHIRLEY SHERROD.
PERIOD.
So you’re saying that the White House, the NAACP and the USDA should always take what Briebart says as gospel, cause thats whet they did !
| 283 |
RogueOne Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:03:38am |
re: #281 Jeff In Ohio
I can, but I won’t. I’m a uniter.
Next time I’m in cincy we have to have a beer and talk music, no politics. I’m thinking of trying to get down there for the beer fest. I’d love to see bobcat goldthwait.
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RadicalModerate Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:04:23am |
One more thing that I should have mentioned - The USDA, NAACP and the White House have all admitted that they jumped to a conclusion based on false information, and have taken steps to correct that injustice.
Has FoxNews?
Brietbart?
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PT Barnum Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:05:03am |
re: #280 RadicalModerate
No one is denying that the USDA, and possibly the White House - depending on how much information was given to them before they made the “deal with it” call have some culpability in this affair.
However.
NONE OF THIS WOULD HAVE OCCURRED IF ANDREW BREITBART HAD NOT PUBLISHED A KNOWINGLY FALSE AND DEFAMATORY STORY ABOUT SHIRLEY SHERROD.
PERIOD.
I dont’ deny that the Administration bears some responsibility here to get their facts straight before reacting. However, the fact is, Breitbart bears the majority of the culpability as it was his original bad act that caused the chain of events to unfold. If the White House had waited, the usual suspects would have been crowing for several days “See, they are keeping a known racist in their ranks”. The were damned if they did, and damned if they didn’t.
This is why they need to start destroying these people’s credibility by whatever means necessary.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:05:15am |
re: #284 RadicalModerate
One more thing that I should have mentioned - The USDA, NAACP and the White House have all admitted that they jumped to a conclusion based on false information, and have taken steps to correct that injustice.
Has FoxNews?
Brietbart?
I know O’Rielly did last night
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:05:24am |
re: #283 RogueOne
Next time I’m in cincy we have to have a beer and talk music, no politics. I’m thinking of trying to get down there for the beer fest. I’d love to see bobcat goldthwait.
For sure.
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PT Barnum Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:05:56am |
re: #284 RadicalModerate
One more thing that I should have mentioned - The USDA, NAACP and the White House have all admitted that they jumped to a conclusion based on false information, and have taken steps to correct that injustice.
Has FoxNews?
Brietbart?
They can’t. It’s their stock in trade.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:06:15am |
re: #268 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
A “handle it” note, only means one thing…
Well two things. Fire or “disappear”.
I think a “handle it” can also mean - find out WTF is going on and depending on what you find, get the word out, OR fire her.
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RogueOne Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:06:17am |
re: #284 RadicalModerate
One more thing that I should have mentioned - The USDA, NAACP and the White House have all admitted that they jumped to a conclusion based on false information, and have taken steps to correct that injustice.
Has FoxNews?
Brietbart?
See:
re: #255 RogueOne
On Wednesday, he said he should have gotten the full story first. “I owe Ms. Sherrod an apology for not doing my homework, for not putting her remarks into the proper context,” he said on “The O’Reilly Factor,” adding that his own words had been taken out of context by critics in the past. “I well understand the need for honest reporting.”
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:06:58am |
re: #280 RadicalModerate
And: Obviously the White House and the USDA are going to learn from this, are going to do their best not to get snookered, to not overreact, etc.
But Brietbart is gong to keep on being a scum-sucking racist.
It’s not just about what they did, it’s about who they are. The ‘white house’ — whatever level of involvement that actually turns out to be— and the USDA reacted in zero-tolerance mode, hastily and stupidly. But they are now doing whatever they can to make that right— the NAACP was even faster.
They fucked up. Brietbart did this one purpose.
That is a rather large difference.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:07:07am |
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RogueOne Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:07:32am |
re: #284 RadicalModerate
One more thing that I should have mentioned - The USDA, NAACP and the White House have all admitted that they jumped to a conclusion based on false information, and have taken steps to correct that injustice.
Has FoxNews?
Brietbart?
and, one more time, no one on foxnews or any other cable news programming played the video clip until AFTER she was fired.
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RogueOne Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:08:36am |
re: #291 Obdicut
If you just hadn’t called Breitbart a racist I would have agreed with that statement 100%.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:09:04am |
re: #269 RadicalModerate
I just love all the attempts to shift the focus toward the NAACP and the Obama administration on this whole smear campaign, and away from Andrew Brietbart, who ALL the focus should be on.
No, instead we’re getting this passive-aggressive crap all over again that certain individuals here seem to revel in.
I don’t see anyone holding Breitbart blameless.
I do see folks who have a different point of view, with whom a rational discussion (rather than name-calling) might be productive. YMMV.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:09:18am |
re: #294 RogueOne
If you just hadn’t called Breitbart a racist I would have agreed with that statement 100%.
What? You don’t think Brietbart is a racist?
Seriously?
Is this the ‘maybe he’s not a racist, maybe he just constantly race-baits’ thing?
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:11:29am |
re: #289 reine.de.tout
I think a “handle it” can also mean - find out WTF is going on and depending on what you find, get the word out, OR fire her.
OR it could mean we’re not going to micromanage the whole administration from the White House. I was once a head of a department - I think the idea is you hire people and trust them to make the right decisions and hold them and yourself accountable when the fuck up.
My mom says that’s what adults do.
I lasted 6 months. I hate growing up.
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RadicalModerate Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:12:33am |
re: #295 reine.de.tout
I don’t see anyone holding Breitbart blameless.
I do see folks who have a different point of view, with whom a rational discussion (rather than name-calling) might be productive. YMMV.
I see a whole lot of blame-shifting, and attempting to remove the focus from a race-baiting bigot by the name of Andrew Breitbart.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:13:14am |
re: #297 Jeff In Ohio
OR it could mean we’re not going to micromanage the whole administration from the White House. I was once a head of a department - I think the idea is you hire people and trust them to make the right decisions and hold them and yourself accountable when the fuck up.
My mom says that’s what adults do.
I lasted 6 months. I hate growing up.
Your mom was right.
It is indeed a very difficult to job to manage a Department. I did it too, before I retired, for many years. Wore me out.
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:13:17am |
re: #294 RogueOne
If you just hadn’t called Breitbart a racist I would have agreed with that statement 100%.
I’ll give him the ‘Coates Benefit of Doubt’ - he’s a racist or an imbecile. I used to think imbecile, but these days, I’m thinking racist.
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RogueOne Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:13:46am |
re: #296 Obdicut
What? You don’t think Brietbart is a racist?
Seriously?
Is this the ‘maybe he’s not a racist, maybe he just constantly race-baits’ thing?
I think calling people out as racist without supporting evidence other than innuendo is what started this whole mess to begin with. People need to put the “racist” name calling on the back burner. For 2 years now every critic of the administration has been labelled a racist, it’s unfair, counter-productive, and leads to push back like this where an innocent woman gets caught in the crossfire. The whole racist meme is, IMHO, why the administration was so quick to toss this lady under the bus.
I have been called a racist on this board for political views that differ from the left side of the aisle without one shred of evidence, without anyone knowing me, knowing who my friends are, or even knowing anything about my family. Calling someone a racist is just as ugly as calling the president a Nazi.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:14:36am |
re: #298 RadicalModerate
I see a whole lot of blame-shifting, and attempting to remove the focus from a race-baiting bigot by the name of Andrew Breitbart.
okey-dokey.
Keep just calling people “passive-aggressive”, rather than lay out an argument. That’ll learn ‘em!
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RogueOne Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:16:07am |
On that note I have to get back to my work, passively-aggressively since I’m not really in the mood……
BBIAB
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:16:56am |
re: #301 Jeff In Ohio
I’ll give him the ‘Coates Benefit of Doubt’ - he’s a racist or an imbecile. I used to think imbecile, but these days, I’m thinking racist.
I say mentally ill, for real, clinical for sure. I watch him, his eyes, body english, the guy is unstable, and from one interview to another, in under an hour, he changes focus of his story, and he really seems to believe himself.
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researchok Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:17:47am |
There are three different stories here.
The first and most important is what Breitbart did. His actions were despicable. He singled out an individual and attempted to tar and feather her by way of malice and deceit so as to further his own agenda.
The second story revolves around some of the FOX News people. They had no business airing a story without proper verification and context. Shepherd Smith and Glenn Back refused to buy into the story until more was known and clarified.
The third story revolves around the WH and how they handled the situation. They did a piss poor job of it. They are taking a well deserved drubbing. Like the NAACP, they have apologized and are attempting now to do the right thing. No more can be expected from them. They are not the first administration to do something stupid and they won’t be the last.
The biggest story here is Breitbart, make no mistake about it. Were it not for his deceitful machinations none of this would have occurred. If he has an issue with the NAACP, well, this is a free country. To exploit a individual, then malign her after he was exposed is disgusting. To point the finger anywhere else is is absurd- and immoral.
Criticize the WH, criticize the NAACP for their response if you must, but in the end, Breitbart is and will be the real villain in all of this. That won’t change.
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:17:50am |
re: #300 reine.de.tout
Your mom was right.
It is indeed a very difficult to job to manage a Department. I did it too, before I retired, for many years. Wore me out.
Yeah, wore me out. Luckily I was in private industry, held the keys to the castle, quit and started a consulting business and took my former employer on as my first client. Twice the money, half the work. I love capitalism.
Got to go feed the kiddie critters. Later.
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WindSword Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:18:30am |
I remember Charles being angry that Christian groups were pouring money into Kenya to influence the constitutional election.
How does he feel about the US government doing the same in support of abortion?
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:18:53am |
re: #302 RogueOne
I think calling people out as racist without supporting evidence other than innuendo is what started this whole mess to begin with.
What does that have to do with Brietbart? You think the only reasons to call him racist are innuendo?
Calling someone a racist is just as ugly as calling the president a Nazi.
No, it’s not, Rogue. That’s silly as all hell.
There have been plenty of people who, although being racists, were very good men, very important men. Hell, prior to a greater understanding of Darwin— pre the 1920s— virtually everyone was a racist. Very few people believed in racial equality. Many people who are and were racists do not do anything all that racist, often because they self-selectedly avoid the company of those of other races.
Calling the president a Nazi, on the other hand, is implying the most powerful man in the world is advancing a fascist agenda, that he is aligned with genocide, absolute brutality, rape, and democide.
The charges are nowhere near the same, and it’s ridiculous of you to claim so.
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Ericus58 Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:19:07am |
re: #298 RadicalModerate
I see a whole lot of blame-shifting, and attempting to remove the focus from a race-baiting bigot by the name of Andrew Breitbart.
Did you read my #274?
Are you saying that I’m blame-shifting?
When you say “a whole lot of blame-shifting”, you’re implying more than one.
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RadicalModerate Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:19:40am |
re: #303 reine.de.tout
okey-dokey.
Keep just calling people “passive-aggressive”, rather than lay out an argument. That’ll learn ‘em!
All I say is to read the first Maddow/Sherrod thread downstairs when Charles was (much more eloquently than I am now) observing and commenting on the exact same behavior.
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PT Barnum Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:21:20am |
re: #311 RadicalModerate
All I say is to read the first Maddow/Sherrod thread downstairs when Charles was (much more eloquently than I am now) observing and commenting on the exact same behavior.
It’s not a matter of blame shifting but on focus shifting. The usual suspects are going to try to shift the focus to the Obama Admin’s handling of the situation rather than the situation itself, hoping that their part in the whole mess will be forgotten.
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:24:36am |
I find it odd that a key bit of background does not get more play in the media discussion: namely the problems that the USDA was having with race relations, culminating in a class-actions suit against it brought by black farmers in the 90’s for systematic discrimination.
As far as I have read, the case is still not fully resolved.
I do not defend the USDA’s actions, but I begin to understand why they were so totally tetchy about anything involving the USDA and racial discrimination, and it does shed a bit more lights on Vilsacks’s initial comments on the matter.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:25:45am |
re: #311 RadicalModerate
All I say is to read the first Maddow/Sherrod thread downstairs when Charles was (much more eloquently than I am now) observing and commenting on the exact same behavior.
I don’t agree that the WH should take any blame for it.
And I’ve tried to comment as to why.
And I did read the downstairs thread, where Charles commented during a comment “conversation” about this.
But here I’m talking about your behavior at this moment, not anyone else’s.
You are of course, free to do whatever you want.
I’m merely suggesting a conversation might be more productive.
Or you can call names. Do what you will.
I’m out for a bit, errands to run.
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PT Barnum Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:26:12am |
re: #313 ralphieboy
I find it odd that a key bit of background does not get more play in the media discussion: namely the problems that the USDA was having with race relations, culminating in a class-actions suit against it brought by black farmers in the 90’s for systematic discrimination.
As far as I have read, the case is still not fully resolved.
I do not defend the USDA’s actions, but I begin to understand why they were so totally tetchy about anything involving the USDA and racial discrimination, and it does shed a bit more lights on Vilsacks’s initial comments on the matter.
Good point. Context is missing from the media coverage as much as it is from Breitbart’s doctored video.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:26:17am |
re: #313 ralphieboy
I find it odd that a key bit of background does not get more play in the media discussion: namely the problems that the USDA was having with race relations, culminating in a class-actions suit against it brought by black farmers in the 90’s for systematic discrimination.
As far as I have read, the case is still not fully resolved.
I do not defend the USDA’s actions, but I begin to understand why they were so totally tetchy about anything involving the USDA and racial discrimination, and it does shed a bit more lights on Vilsacks’s initial comments on the matter.
This point has been brought up a couple of times.
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Nimed Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:29:41am |
re: #244 RogueOne
I learned something new on the way over here. According to Morning Joe and the LA times, no one on cable news ran the Sherrod video until AFTER she was asked to resign. O’Reilly ran it HOURS AFTER SHE WAS FIRED. Is any of that news in any of the Maddow analysis? Of course not. How does that square up with the WH and NAACP statments that they were “snookered” by foxnews? They couldn’t have been. This whole entire episode has been one big lie and misrepresentation after another and the people who got taken in by it, except Ms. Sherrod, had it coming because they were all gullible and looking for ways to reinforce their own views on the opposition.
This is why you’re wasting your time watching “news” programming that does nothing but preach to the choir. If you’re watching cable programming that only reinforces your world view you could be spending that time better by watching cartoons. Although, This once again proves my own worldview…Maddow, along with everyone else on cable news programming, is an idiot.
What?
RogueOne, what you have there is a theory looking very hard for facts to support it.
1- You need to be precise. ONLY the NAACP said they were snookered by Fox News, not the WH — and what the NAACP said was the following: “we were snookered by Fox News and Tea Party Activist Andrew Breitbart”. Vilsack never said he based his firing on Fox News instead of Breitbart.
2- To my knowledge, the WH never mentioned Fox News in their statements about this case.
3- What’s wrong with Maddow’s reporting? She is absolutely right to denounce Fox News. Point to a single fact she got wrong.
4- Fox News did engage in a full-blown assassination campaign of Sherrod — Hannity, O’Reilly, the morning idiots, you name it. The fact that Vilsack made his call based on the original Breitbart post (and on the knowledge that Sherrod was going to appear on Glenn Beck) doesn’t change this. Your equivalence between MSNBC and Fox (Maddow=Beck? really?) on this is utter nonsense.
5- Let’s not be purposefully naive on this. By Monday afternoon, the White House and pretty much everybody who has watched Fox News knew exactly how this was going to be reported — exactly how it was. As I said earlier, this doesn’t excuse the administration, but these facts about the timeline don’t add any information to the story.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:32:16am |
re: #317 Nimed
What?
RogueOne, what you have there is a theory looking very hard for facts to support it.
1- You need to be precise. ONLY the NAACP said they were snookered by Fox News, not the WH — and what the NAACP said was the following: “we were snookered by Fox News and Tea Party Activist Andrew Breitbart”. Vilsack never said he based his firing on Fox News instead of Breitbart.
2- To my knowledge, the WH never mentioned Fox News in their statements about this case.
3- What’s wrong with Maddow’s reporting? She is absolutely right to denounce Fox News. Point to a single fact she got wrong.
4- Fox News did engage in a full-blown assassination campaign of Sherrod — Hannity, O’Reilly, the morning idiots, you name it. The fact that Vilsack made his call based on the original Breitbart post (and on the knowledge that Sherrod was going to appear on Glenn Beck) doesn’t change this. Your equivalence between MSNBC and Fox (Maddow=Beck? really?) on this is utter nonsense.
5- Let’s not be purposefully naive on this. By Monday afternoon, the White House and pretty much everybody who has watched Fox News knew exactly how this was going to be reported — exactly how it was. As I said earlier, this doesn’t excuse the administration, but these facts about the timeline don’t add any information to the story.
Oh yeah?
CODE PINK.
I win.
/
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Stanley Sea Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:32:59am |
First place the story was seen by me was on Fox’s website - “found! video or racist speaker @ NCAA” or something like that. Before she was fired.
It was on the web, does that count?
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Stanley Sea Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:33:49am |
re: #319 Stanley Sea
First place the story was seen by me was on Fox’s website - “found! video or racist speaker @ NCAA” or something like that. Before she was fired.
It was on the web, does that count?
Via google news.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:37:53am |
re: #317 Nimed
In addition— the connection to the White House is very tenuous. It’s now at the level of ‘brought up at a staff meeting’. That could be as simple as “USDA says they’re firing an employee because a tape of her saying racist statements has come up, and you remember that we’re still working on the settlements for black farmers”.
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:40:04am |
The latest spin is that Breitbart posted that video and that folks on the left who are going after him didn’t bother to read the associated story.
Right. Because his posting makes this all so much better and gets Sherrod her job back. Gotcha.
Reading comprehension seems to be optional these days among Breitbart’s supporters - he threw that video out there knowing it would be the equivalent to a holy hand grenade. It blew up - and it ruined Sherrod’s career. Now, Breitbart is trying to claim he was just trying to get the new out about the NAACP’s racism as seen in the video - even as the full video tells the completely opposite tale and that if the original uncut full video was released first, this story would never have erupted in the first place.
It would not have been newsworthy. It wouldn’t have made the rounds on the blogs and we would still not be dissecting it days later.
Breitbart said jump - and the rest of the media said how high without asking any basic questions of their own over the veracity of the video, context, or anything else.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:42:00am |
re: #322 lawhawk
Breitbart said jump - and the rest of the media said how high without asking any basic questions of their own over the veracity of the video, context, or anything else
as well as Vilsac and the USDA and someone in the WH.
Brietbart is a scumbag. That is well known. I wouldn’t jump if a scumabg told me too
just sayin
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:42:15am |
re: #319 Stanley Sea
First place the story was seen by me was on Fox’s website - “found! video or racist speaker @ NCAA” or something like that. Before she was fired.
It was on the web, does that count?
I also remember seeing O’Reilly calling for her resignation.
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Nimed Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:42:49am |
re: #302 RogueOne
I think calling people out as racist without supporting evidence other than innuendo is what started this whole mess to begin with. People need to put the “racist” name calling on the back burner. For 2 years now every critic of the administration has been labelled a racist, it’s unfair, counter-productive, and leads to push back like this where an innocent woman gets caught in the crossfire. The whole racist meme is, IMHO, why the administration was so quick to toss this lady under the bus.
I have been called a racist on this board for political views that differ from the left side of the aisle without one shred of evidence, without anyone knowing me, knowing who my friends are, or even knowing anything about my family. Calling someone a racist is just as ugly as calling the president a Nazi.
And this “how the whole mess begin” is also ridiculous — to state the obvious, the members of the Tea Party who are racists should be called racists, and the Tea Party movement should repudiate them. Sherrod, OTOH, was falsely slurred by Breitbart and Fox News.
Saying that Breitbart’s actions are just the natural consequence of “‘racist’ name-calling” is preposterous. Sorry dude, but you are only making excuses for professional liars and race baiters like Breitbart.
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rwdflynavy Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:42:54am |
re: #319 Stanley Sea
First place the story was seen by me was on Fox’s website - “found! video or racist speaker @ NCAA” or something like that. Before she was fired.
It was on the web, does that count?
Rogue posted that according to LATimes and Morning Joe, fox posted the story to the web after she had already resigned.
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RadicalModerate Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:42:59am |
re: #319 Stanley Sea
On the front page of the FoxNews site right now:
Vilsack Offers to Rehire Ousted USDA OfficialAgriculture secretary says he is offering Shirley Sherrod a new job after forcing her to resign over a video clip that showed her making racial remarks at an NAACP event
You have to click on the story to get to the part where it mentions that the statements were “taken out of context”.
And the forum link below the story is just chock-full-of race-baiting comments.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:47:07am |
re: #324 sattv4u2
Breitbart said jump - and the rest of the media said how high without asking any basic questions of their own over the veracity of the video, context, or anything elseas well as Vilsac and the USDA and someone in the WH.
Brietbart is a scumbag. That is well known. I wouldn’t jump if a scumabg told me too
just sayin
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:47:11am |
re: #302 RogueOne
For 2 years now every critic of the administration has been labelled a racist, it’s unfair, counter-productive, and leads to push back like this where an innocent woman gets caught in the crossfire.
One can disagree with Obama and not be a racist, but it helps if one presents cohesive, rational arguments and does not hold up signs portraying Obama as a witch doctor or write “satirical” letters to Abe Lincoln from “the colored folks”.
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Nimed Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:49:11am |
re: #321 Obdicut
In addition— the connection to the White House is very tenuous. It’s now at the level of ‘brought up at a staff meeting’. That could be as simple as “USDA says they’re firing an employee because a tape of her saying racist statements has come up, and you remember that we’re still working on the settlements for black farmers”.
You’re right. When some people mention the White House, they really mean the whole Executive branch (not just the President and his staff), in which Vilsack is included. But “administration” or is really the better word here.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:49:25am |
hehehe
a herd of sheep crossing a mountain road just caused havoc in the Tour d’ France!
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Varek Raith Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:49:53am |
re: #332 sattv4u2
hehehe
a herd of sheep crossing a mountain road just caused havoc in the Tour d’ France!
Lol.
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windsword Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:52:44am |
re: #332 sattv4u2
Upding for light-heartedness and making my morning.
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RadicalModerate Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:52:55am |
re: #333 Varek Raith
Yikes. Mountain stage in heavy fog. I’d be panicking in the downhill phase of that.
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:54:59am |
re: #335 RadicalModerate
Yikes. Mountain stage in heavy fog. I’d be panicking in the downhill phase of that.
Especially when some of those “thick clouds” are sprouting legs and horns…
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darthstar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:55:19am |
re: #332 sattv4u2
hehehe
a herd of sheep crossing a mountain road just caused havoc in the Tour d’ France!
Those sneaky French…trying to distract our riders with promises of sexual favors.///
Mornin’, everyone.
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:56:18am |
re: #337 darthstar
Those sneaky French…trying to distract our riders with promises of sexual favors.///
Mornin’, everyone.
Not to worry, Lance packs his own gerbils.
/
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 22, 2010 6:57:38am |
I’m sure some people will see this as good news, but I’m not entirely sure. GM is buying a lender to reestablish an in-house lending unit following its sale of GMAC in the course of its bankruptcy.
The reason given? Because it wants to increase sales for customers with subprime credit.
Under the terms of the deal, G.M. will pay $24.50 per share, a 24 percent premium to AmeriCredit’s closing share price of $19.70.The move could help strengthen the prospects of a G.M. initial public offering, which the company plans to hold to begin disposing of the government’s majority stake. The car maker has already hired Morgan Stanley and JPMorgan Chase to lead the effort, and it could file for an initial offering as soon as August, DealBook previously reported.
By reestablishing an in-house lender, G.M. believes it will be able to sell more cars by providing lease financing and loans for customers with subprime credit ratings.
G.M. is no stranger to AmeriCredit: the firm already has relationships with about 4,000 G.M. dealers.
“This acquisition supports our efforts to design, build and sell the world’s best vehicles by expanding the financing options we can offer to consumers who want to buy G.M. vehicles,” Edward E. Whitacre Jr., G.M.’s chairman and chief executive, said in a statement. “Adding AmeriCredit to our team will improve our competitiveness in auto financing offerings, and I am very pleased to have them on board.”
It was the surge of aggressive lending to subprime borrowers - and the subsequent defaults when mixed with CDOs that hid the true risk of those obligations that led to the financial meltdown because no one could quite figure out what risks people really had exposure to, let alone accurate values.
GM is looking to get back in the game - lending. Well, on that I can understand to a degree since GMAC fattened up the GM bottom line for years when GM was really a financial company that happened to sell loss-leader cars.
And GM and those following the business are still playing to that same line - as new reports indicate that while GM has lost market share in the US, it’s picked up market share in China. No word on actual profits and profits per vehicle sold. It’s all about market share. That doesn’t make GM any more viable. Profits make it viable - and getting profits means doing things far better than GM had done in years past.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:00:46am |
And on that note, an hour and a half from now i’ll be home
two hours after that I’ll be driving towards the beach
six hours after that i’ll have arrived
five minutes after that I shall be sitting with my feet in the surf, adult beverage in hand
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darthstar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:01:02am |
re: #325 ralphieboy
I also remember seeing O’Reilly calling for her resignation.
O’Reilly is such a shit-stain of a human being. His commentary on Shirley Sherrod last night was worse than his call for her resignation. He basically said he’s (it’s always about you, Bill) also been taken out of context and that because she’s an activist, she shouldn’t be working for the government. Her father was killed by a white man when she was 17 with three eye witnesses, and the guy was never prosecuted. I’d be a bit of an activist too if that happened in my family.
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:01:55am |
re: #339 lawhawk
One of the reasons that GM went bankrupt, along with producing crappy, overpriced products that nobody wanted to buy, was the collapse of GMAC, its finance arm, that even more indiscriminate in issuing loans than most mortgage companies.
It looks like they have learned nothing.
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darthstar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:01:57am |
re: #340 sattv4u2
And on that note, an hour and a half from now i’ll be home
two hours after that I’ll be driving towards the beach
six hours after that i’ll have arrived
five minutes after that I shall be sitting with my feet in the surf, adult beverage in hand
Have a wonderful weekend. Leave your computer at home.
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:03:08am |
re: #341 darthstar
“Her father was killed by a white man when she was 17 with three eye witnesses, and the guy was never prosecuted.”
Typical liberal, always playing the victim card.
/
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:03:29am |
re: #343 darthstar
Have a wonderful weekend. Leave your computer at home.
thanks ,,was there all last week, didn’t log on once,, work, personal,, NADA!
((don’t think I’ll be able to be that strong this time though,, I’ll prolly sneak in from time to time))
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:04:30am |
re: #331 Nimed
You’re right. When some people mention the White House, they really mean the whole Executive branch (not just the President and his staff), in which Vilsack is included. But “administration” or is really the better word here.
I’ve tried to bring up that point several times.
When a mention is made of “the WH” (or in the case of my own government employment, “the Governor’s office”) it means some aide or another, could be anyone, a very low-level employee.
If the President (or Governor) is actually involved, the terminology used is, “this came directly from the President”, or “this comes directly from the Governor”. Not “the WH” or “the governor’s office”.
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RogueOne Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:06:08am |
re: #309 Obdicut
No, it’s not, Rogue. That’s silly as all hell.
Fine, then I’ll call you a nazi and you can call me racist and we’ll see who loses their cool first. What gives you the impression that your view of what is considered ugly and contemptible is placed higher on a chart than mine? I happen to believe racism and fascism are on the same plane of evil, that might be different than you but it isn’t “silly” and if you want to argue which has been historically worse I can put body count next to body count and see if you can tell the difference.
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darthstar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:08:12am |
re: #346 reine.de.tout
I’ve tried to bring up that point several times.
When a mention is made of “the WH” (or in the case of my own government employment, “the Governor’s office”) it means some aide or another, could be anyone, a very low-level employee.
If the President (or Governor) is actually involved, the terminology used is, “this came directly from the President”, or “this comes directly from the Governor”. Not “the WH” or “the governor’s office”.
When Breitbart or Fox mention “the WH” they mean the black guy. And if you read the comments on their blogs you can clearly see that their intended audience picked up on that easily enough.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:08:44am |
Mr. Obama has begun losing critical political figures and strategists who are increasingly vocal in arguing that the benefits of continuing on the current course for at least another year, and probably longer, are greatly outweighed by the escalating price.
Afghanistan, where a generation is a mere blink of an eye to the Taliban
but the White House was surprised the other day when one of Mr. Obama’s mentors on foreign policy issues in the Senate, Richard G. Lugar of Indiana, argued that “the lack of clarity in Afghanistan does not end with the president’s timetable,” and that both the military and civilian missions were “proceeding without a clear definition of success.”
[Link: www.nytimes.com…]
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SpaceJesus Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:09:29am |
no more first amendment protection for conservatives for at least a year.
these people are literally children who need a time out.
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hanoch Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:10:15am |
Ms. Maddow’s smugness is a little much. She is surely correct that Fox should have been more circumspect before reporting this story. It is a terrible shame what happened to Ms. Sherrod. But it is apparent to anyone — and undoubtedly to Ms. Maddow — that journalistic sloppiness and/or bias is hardly limited to Fox News. “Rathergate” and “Journolist” are just two examples of many.
Indeed, one could argue that Ms. Maddow herself is being a tad disingenuous here. The fact is that while Fox had a duty to get the story straight, the Obama administration had even more responsibility to do so given that Ms. Sherrod’s livelihood and reputation was at stake. Yet, at least in this piece, Ms. Maddow does not acknowledge that fact, let alone utter a word of criticism of Obama & Co. Juan Williams, however, to his credit, did ask the following questions in a column today:
How is it possible that the first black president of the United States, under pressure for alleged reverse discrimination against whites at the Justice Department, fires a black Agriculture Department official for telling a story of racial redemption?How is it possible that such a bright man as the president repeatedly reacts without the facts when it comes to a topic so explosive as race? Last summer he spoke out on a racial controversy without the facts and buried himself in political quicksand that ended with a staged “beer summit.”
Who is buying the beer this time?
Read more: [Link: dailycaller.com…]
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SpaceJesus Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:12:22am |
re: #351 hanoch
the administration has gone out of its way to apologize. also, dan rather apologized and resigned.
fox news has not only not apologized, they are actively trying to cover up their big fuck up.
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darthstar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:13:16am |
re: #349 albusteve
The true cost of a long occupation. After nine years in Afghanistan, we’re now fighting insurgents whom we saw our troops giving candy and pencils to on the news after the initial invasion.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:13:56am |
re: #348 darthstar
When Breitbart or Fox mention “the WH” they mean the black guy. And if you read the comments on their blogs you can clearly see that their intended audience picked up on that easily enough.
Probably true.
Now, maybe I’ve gotten confused, but I thought either Ms. Sherrod or her USDA boss, the lady who called her on the phone, was the first one to say they got a message “from the WH”, to “handle it”.
And as I am trying to explain, that does not mean it came from the President.
It could have come from anyone.
What I’m trying to do is set the record straight about what that phrase, first uttered as I understand it, by the lady who called Ms. Sherrod, does not mean it came from the President.
So … call me out, fight me what-the-fuck ever. I’m on your side on this, I’m trying to tell people they should not take that phrase “from the WH” to mean “the President”. Do NOT make any other sort of assumption here.
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Interesting Times Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:14:20am |
re: #326 Nimed
And this “how the whole mess begin” is also ridiculous — to state the obvious, the members of the Tea Party who are racists should be called racists, and the Tea Party movement should repudiate them. Sherrod, OTOH, was falsely slurred by Breitbart and Fox News.
Saying that Breitbart’s actions are just the natural consequence of “‘racist’ name-calling” is preposterous. Sorry dude, but you are only making excuses for professional liars and race baiters like Breitbart.
Absolutely. And O’Reilly’s so-called “apology” isn’t worth the effluent from a sewage treatment plant:
But Fox’s commentators showed less restraint. O’Reilly continued to condemn Sherrod’s comments on his show Tuesday night, saying she made a mistake, even after it had emerged that her words had been misrepresented.
On Wednesday, the host said that he “did not analyze the entire transcript, and that was not fair.” Still, O’Reilly called her a “longtime liberal activist” and said the language Sherrod used suggested that she “very well may see things through a racial prism.”
Typical passive-aggressive garbage from a deceitful, bullying goon who sexually harasses female staffers to boot. O’Reilly is sleazy, cowardly scumbag of the first order and there are no words (that I can repeat here, anyway) to express the contempt I feel for him.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:15:23am |
re: #355 publicityStunted
Typical passive-aggressive garbage from a deceitful, bullying goon who sexually harasses female staffers to boot. O’Reilly is sleazy, cowardly scumbag of the first order and there are no words (that I can repeat here, anyway) to express the contempt I feel for him.
Repeated for truth.
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Radicchio ad Absurdum Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:16:27am |
re: #352 spacejesus
the administration has gone out of its way to apologize. also, dan rather apologized and resigned.
fox news has not only not apologized, they are actively trying to cover up their big fuck up.
Thats all true, but that doesn’t mean that he is wrong.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:16:49am |
re: #347 RogueOne
Fine, then I’ll call you a nazi and you can call me racist and we’ll see who loses their cool first.
Makes zero sense.
What gives you the impression that your view of what is considered ugly and contemptible is placed higher on a chart than mine?
Because I made an actual argument.
I happen to believe racism and fascism are on the same plane of evil, that might be different than you but it isn’t “silly” and if you want to argue which has been historically worse I can put body count next to body count and see if you can tell the difference.
What are you talking about, dude? Did you just ignore my post? What relationship does this have to anything I’m talking about?
I mean, never mind that an accusation of “Nazi” includes an allegation of racism, so obviously it’s worse than calling someone a racist; why are you talking about body counts?
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:17:30am |
Fox has to push the naarative beyond their culpability and focus on other people’s mistakes. That is just a standard tactic. I refuse to get upset about it, it is what i would expect them or most any ideology-driven organization to do.
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Locker Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:17:49am |
The wonder of this story is that anyone falls for it.. over and over and over and over again…
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darthstar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:18:43am |
re: #351 hanoch
Rather apologized and retired. “Journolist” was an insider’s blog…a place for journalists to vent their personal opinions rather than in their articles…and is irrelevant. Fox jumped on this story, unabashedly repeated that Sherrod was making racist remarks AND WORKS FOR THE GOVERNMENT!!! and 24 hours later, instead of saying “we were wrong” shifts the blame to the President.
But hey, if that’s what gets you off, go watch it. Just don’t try to defend it.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:19:10am |
re: #353 darthstar
The true cost of a long occupation. After nine years in Afghanistan, we’re now fighting insurgents whom we saw our troops giving candy and pencils to on the news after the initial invasion.
yup, I’m losing confidence fast…I was hoping that this would be the summer that turned it around for NATO, but they are still pretty much on the defensive…yesterday there was a hell of a firefight just barely outside a US base…and worse, political will is softening across party lines
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:19:14am |
re: #351 hanoch
How is it possible that the first black president of the United States, under pressure for alleged reverse discrimination against whites at the Justice Department, fires a black Agriculture Department official for telling a story of racial redemption?
Well, Obama didn’t fire her. So.
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darthstar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:21:43am |
re: #354 reine.de.tout
I wasn’t saying anything about you, reine…just adding my two cents on Breitbart & Fox. I don’t know who first mentioned “the WH” and I suspect it was initiated by a third party source that assumed the White House was involved (it fits the narrative better).
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:23:18am |
more bad news for N Illinois and Chicago, as their woes reach a boiling point…another wave of foreclosures
In the Bungalow Belt of northwest Chicago, houses sink into the morass of foreclosure every day, leaving behind boarded-up windows, scraggly lawns, plummeting home values and an unintended invitation for squatters to settle in
[Link: www.chicagotribune.com…]
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:26:12am |
re: #364 darthstar
I wasn’t saying anything about you, reine…just adding my two cents on Breitbart & Fox. I don’t know who first mentioned “the WH” and I suspect it was initiated by a third party source that assumed the White House was involved (it fits the narrative better).
Okay.
I’m a bit out of sorts, sorry.
I enjoy the conversations and discussions; not so much name-calling and accusations, wherever those come from, they put me out of sorts.
I try to stay civil, even in disagreement, because it’s the discussions and the points brought forward by commenters that I find illuminating and help me to think things through. General name-calling, not so much.
If I don’t understand something, I try to ask questions to find out more. If I disagree, I try to say why I disagree.
I have committed the cardinal sin of, years ago, updinging people who have since shown themselves to be complete assholes. How I could have been expected to know ahead of time what they would turn out to be, I don’t know.
At any rate - I’m just out of sorts.
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darthstar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:26:55am |
re: #363 Obdicut
Well, Obama didn’t fire her. So.
Typical Juan Williams…NPR is always getting criticized for keeping him on as a contributor…and for good reason.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:28:08am |
Newark, NJ….
The city budget shortfall is $70 million and Booker plans to meet the revenue shortfall with budget cuts instead of property tax increases.
“Taxes can not be the answer,” Booker said.
Booker says property taxes in Newark have gone up 76 percent in last decade and 19 percent in the past five years.
Corey Booker understands
[Link: www.myfoxny.com…]
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:30:44am |
the bastions of liberal utopia are crumbling…when they come to the feds with their hands out, where will the money come from to keep the viable?
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darthstar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:31:21am |
re: #367 reine.de.tout
No worries…I still think you’re the bees knees. ;)
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darthstar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:32:23am |
re: #370 albusteve
the bastions of liberal utopia are crumbling…when they come to the feds with their hands out, where will the money come from to keep the viable?
Finally finished reading Brave New World?
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darthstar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:33:02am |
Okay…need to pull out my work laptop for a bit…bbl.
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ShaunP Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:33:22am |
re: #358 Obdicut
What are you talking about, dude? Did you just ignore my post? What relationship does this have to anything I’m talking about?
I mean, never mind that an accusation of “Nazi” includes an allegation of racism, so obviously it’s worse than calling someone a racist; why are you talking about body counts?
Distraction. The idea that calling Brietbart a racist has some implication on Rogue or conservatives in general is really a non-issue. It truly is important that this isn’t downplayed…
Breitbart is not a hood wearing, goosestepping racist, but he is a race-baiter, fanning the flames of racial issues in this country. That’s a fucking racist… no matter how loud he says “no I’m not.” Hell, he might not even realize he is. But playing the fears of white americans against black americans is racist. Period.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:35:21am |
For a little while it looked like conservatives might throw Breitbart under the bus for being a lying douchebag. Now, not so much.
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garhighway Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:35:35am |
re: #286 sattv4u2
I know O’Rielly did last night
But you just said he did nothing wrong. Why did he then apologize?
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Nimed Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:36:28am |
re: #355 publicityStunted
Typical passive-aggressive garbage from a deceitful, bullying goon who sexually harasses female staffers to boot. O’Reilly is sleazy, cowardly scumbag of the first order and there are no words (that I can repeat here, anyway) to express the contempt I feel for him.
re: #356 reine.de.tout
Repeated for truth.
:D The loofah episode — disgusting yet hilarious. Well, he clearly harassed the wrong woman and paid dearly for it.
Check out this link (scroll down to the audio clips). O’Reilly’s detective fiction — “Those Who Trespass” — read by the man himself.
[Link: blogs.villagevoice.com…]
“Cup your hands under your breasts and hold them for ten seconds.”
and
OFF WITH THOSE PANTS!!
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garhighway Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:36:39am |
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Hanoch Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:37:18am |
re: #370 albusteve
That is an easy one. Your, or more likely, your kids, tax dollars.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:37:55am |
re: #375 Killgore Trout
For a little while it looked like conservatives might throw Breitbart under the bus for being a lying douchebag. Now, not so much.
Why?
What’s happening?
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garhighway Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:39:12am |
re: #346 reine.de.tout
I’ve tried to bring up that point several times.
When a mention is made of “the WH” (or in the case of my own government employment, “the Governor’s office”) it means some aide or another, could be anyone, a very low-level employee.
If the President (or Governor) is actually involved, the terminology used is, “this came directly from the President”, or “this comes directly from the Governor”. Not “the WH” or “the governor’s office”.
Why bother with facts? They disturb the narrative.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:40:34am |
re: #380 reine.de.tout
Why?
What’s happening?
Instapundit, PJM and pretty much all the wingnut blogs are sticking with Breitbart and claim the video shows that the NAACP and Sherrod are indeed racist. Yid with lid and Zombie seem to have the popular talking points among wingnuts on this.
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Nimed Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:40:38am |
re: #364 darthstar
I wasn’t saying anything about you, reine…just adding my two cents on Breitbart & Fox. I don’t know who first mentioned “the WH” and I suspect it was initiated by a third party source that assumed the White House was involved (it fits the narrative better).
Well, Sherrod said that Vilsack mentioned the WH.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:40:46am |
Hey, y’all, sorry, but I’m gonna push my own page here, for a minute.
I think this story is so - weird, I can’t even begin to figure out where it belongs (so I put it in the “weird” category.
Link to the full story at the page. Here’s my intro:
Chet Traylor is running as a candidate for State Sen from the Winnsboro area of Louisiana (North Louisiana, a whole different world from South Louisiana).He has brought up “morals” issues regarding his opponent, David Vitter, whose association with prostitutes is known.
As it turns out, Traylor had an affair years ago with the wife of Noble Ellington, who is in State government as a Representative from that area. So Traylor’s “morals” accusations against Vitter might be something he wants to reconsider using during the campaign.
Traylor eventually married Ellington’s wife, who then died.
Traylor is NOW involved in an affair with the wife of Noble Ellington’s son.
Add to that, the Ellingtons are in a fight with Traylor over the estate of the woman who died who was first Ellington’s wife, then Traylor’s wife. The Ellington’s are administrators of her estate, but Traylor holds bank accounts and properties that are part of the estate.
Did you follow all of that?
What a mess.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:42:45am |
re: #383 Killgore Trout
Instapundit, PJM and pretty much all the wingnut blogs are sticking with Breitbart and claim the video shows that the NAACP and Sherrod are indeed racist. Yid with lid and Zombie seem to have the popular talking points among wingnuts on this.
Good grief.
Sherrod seems to be to be a great person.
She related a story of how, through thought and reflection, she came to a less-biased view of the world around her. I loved her story. I think most people (who are smart, anyhow) have at some point used the process of thought and reflection to know that they’ve had to modify their “take” on things. I thought her story was great. And the people she helped out are very obviously greatful to her and think the world of her.
I’m … amazed.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:43:04am |
I think Michelle Malkin is trying to revive story about Obama closing down Republican owned car dealerships. I can’t figure out wtf she’s talking about.
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vidiotic Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:43:28am |
First of all, I want to say thanks to Charles for all of his work here, and for the opportunity to join a few months ago. It’s refreshing to know that there is a bastion of reason (almost all of the time) online that has an intelligent balance and somewhat centrist attitude, most of the internet is so extreme that anybody even attempting to find a consensus is shouted down. The most recent Fox and Breitbart shamefulness surprises me, although I know it shouldn’t. I believe that the noisy minority of Tea bags is just that …a very loud but small group of bullies that spend most of their time trying to convince themselves that their deranged group is larger than it is. Fox’s ratings can be explained by the same motivation that leads people to stare at train wrecks or watch “Cops”, their ‘What will these nuts do next’ appeal is sadly universal. I hope everyone here is truthfully registered and will vote their conscience in November. Their mis-treatment of Ms. Sherrod is, sadly, par for the course. I do believe though, that the American voter, no matter how little they may care for the Obama administration’s direction, sees these lunatics for what they are.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:43:40am |
re: #386 reine.de.tout
It’s very sad. She’s a saint as far as I can tell.
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darthstar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:45:43am |
re: #385 reine.de.tout
Hey, y’all, sorry, but I’m gonna push my own page here, for a minute.
I think this story is so - weird, I can’t even begin to figure out where it belongs (so I put it in the “weird” category.
Link to the full story at the page. Here’s my intro:
The Ellingtons sound like a Traylor park. ///
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:45:52am |
Breitbutt tries to make the point that he was not going after Sherrod personally, the tape was to demonstrate that “there were racists in the room” who applauded her descriptions of unfairly treting whites.
In da house!!!!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:46:06am |
re: #387 Killgore Trout
I think Michelle Malkin is trying to revive story about Obama closing down Republican owned car dealerships. I can’t figure out wtf she’s talking about.
IIRC, he closed one owned by Vern Buchanan, my House Rep in Florida. Not sure about anyone else.
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darthstar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:48:27am |
re: #392 Cannadian Club Akbar
IIRC, he closed one owned by Vern Buchanan, my House Rep in Florida. Not sure about anyone else.
President Obama didn’t close any dealerships. GM did. Yes, the government bailed out GM and temporarily held majority share as a result, but GM made their own decisions.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:48:30am |
re: #390 darthstar
The Ellingtons sound like a Traylor park. ///
heheheh!
Sure do.
That is the general are of the state that brought us:
Jerry Lee Lewis
Jimmy Lee Swaggart
the Long family
| 395 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:50:02am |
re: #393 darthstar
Is Chrysler part of GM? (I can’t remember everything)
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:50:29am |
re: #393 darthstar
President Obama didn’t close any dealerships. GM did. Yes, the government bailed out GM and temporarily held majority share as a result, but GM made their own decisions.
It is enough of a story to be bent to fit the naarative, if not, get a bigger hammer.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:51:09am |
re: #395 Cannadian Club Akbar
Is Chrysler part of GM? (I can’t remember everything)
No.
Chrysler/Plymouth/Dodge
Chevy/Olds/Cadillac
Ford/Mercury/Lincoln
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:51:12am |
re: #387 Killgore Trout
There’s some question whether the feds should have forced GM and Chrysler to close down as many dealerships as they ended up doing - according to the OIG report issued last week. That report seemed to indicate that the methodologies for closure weren’t what they should have been - inconsistent and inconsistently applied, and that the net result was more people being unemployed in the teeth of the recession than should have been.
I would disagree with the report on that point - GM and Chrysler both had far too many dealerships competing for a limited number of sales and neither wanted to make cuts for years in their distribution system, resulting in both companies’ dealerships chasing after prospective buyers with all manner of incentives that ended up undermining the companies’ abilities to sell cars at a profit.
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DianeNYS Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:51:25am |
re: #175 palomino
OK…I officially never have to make any comment on a thread on which you are commenting. I apparently agree with everything you say, and you always say it better than I ever could! ;-)
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:51:41am |
re: #391 ralphieboy
Breitbutt tries to make the point that he was not going after Sherrod personally, the tape was to demonstrate that “there were racists in the room” who applauded her descriptions of unfairly treting whites.
In da house!!!
That’s why he’s called her a racist like 500 times. Because he wasn’t going after her personally.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:52:50am |
re: #393 darthstar
President Obama didn’t close any dealerships. GM did. Yes, the government bailed out GM and temporarily held majority share as a result, but GM made their own decisions.
ha!…good one
their own decisions as to specific dealers…GM had BOs boot on their neck
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:52:53am |
re: #400 Obdicut
That’s why he’s called her a racist like 500 times. Because he wasn’t going after her personally.
Only because the NCAA backed him into a corner and forced him to do it.
/
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:53:15am |
Boy talk about a freudian slop: NAACP…
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:53:40am |
re: #395 Cannadian Club Akbar
Is Chrysler part of GM? (I can’t remember everything)
Chrysler ended up being bought by Fiat.
GM is now new GM. Old GM still owns all the liabilities.
GM is trying to sell off remaining product lines like Saturn (tried to sell to Penske but deal fell through so Saturn will disappear). So too will Pontiac and several other brands including Hummer. What will be left is Buick, Caddy, GMC, and Chevy.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:54:37am |
re: #404 lawhawk
Chrysler ended up being bought by Fiat.
GM is now new GM. Old GM still owns all the liabilities.
GM is trying to sell off remaining product lines like Saturn (tried to sell to Penske but deal fell through so Saturn will disappear). So too will Pontiac and several other brands including Hummer. What will be left is Buick, Caddy, GMC, and Chevy.
and Mercury is a gonner…probably a good move
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Targetpractice Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:54:45am |
Good mornin’, fellow lizards. What’s the good word?
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:55:29am |
Here’s a plausible theory….
Conservatives Try To Bash USDA Anti-Racism Suit, Shirley Sherrod
It’s also important to understand that Andrew Breitbart’s timing of the release of the grossly distorted video of Sherrod, which he admits having had for weeks, may not be entirely random. Congress will soon vote on whether to fund part of a settlement between the USDA and African-American farmers who faced acknowledged discrimination — farmers like Sherrod and her husband used to be. It’s a tiny piece of the upcoming war supplemental bill.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:57:15am |
re: #407 Killgore Trout
Rep. Steve King (R-IA), for example, tweeted immediately on Tuesday morning, after the Sherrod case hit the news, that many Pigford claims amount to fraud:
Shirley Sharrod fired by Vilsack 4 racism in her USDA position. America needs to know that, not all, but billion$ of Pigford Farms is fraud.
Hmmm….
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Nimed Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:57:27am |
re: #386 reine.de.tout
Good grief.
Sherrod seems to be to be a great person.
She related a story of how, through thought and reflection, she came to a less-biased view of the world around her. I loved her story. I think most people (who are smart, anyhow) have at some point used the process of thought and reflection to know that they’ve had to modify their “take” on things. I thought her story was great. And the people she helped out are very obviously greatful to her and think the world of her.I’m … amazed.
Well put, reine, I couldn’t agree more. I’ve noticed Greenwald is not exactly loved around LGF, but in this instance he perfectly describes your sentiments.
[Link: www.salon.com…]
Few people are willing so publicly to confess to tribal biases and detail how they struggle to overcome them, even though that’s a challenge which any person who evolves at some point must confront. That process — far more than the pretense of having always been bias-free — requires difficult self-examination, and its public discussion offers vitally needed lessons for everyone. Many people are unwilling ever to engage that process privately, let alone candidly describe it publicly. Those with the courage to do so, like Sherrod, should be heralded for that candor. Instead, she was slandered, falsely disparaged, and fired.
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Targetpractice Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:58:59am |
re: #404 lawhawk
Chrysler ended up being bought by Fiat.
GM is now new GM. Old GM still owns all the liabilities.
GM is trying to sell off remaining product lines like Saturn (tried to sell to Penske but deal fell through so Saturn will disappear). So too will Pontiac and several other brands including Hummer. What will be left is Buick, Caddy, GMC, and Chevy.
re: #405 albusteve
and Mercury is a gonner…probably a good move
We’re witnessin’ the end of an era, folks. The final days of the multi-tier system that’s been around since at least the 50s.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:59:41am |
Oakland allows industrial-scale marijuana farms
To address concerns from smaller farmers, the council pledged to create regulations on regulating small- and medium-size marijuana farms this year. Council members and proponents of marijuana cultivation regulation viewed the proposal as smart public policy: It would generate revenue, ensure that fire and building codes are enforced, keep neighborhoods safe from robberies, and further position Oakland as the center of the state’s cannabis economy.
and so it begins….pot=$$$$$
Read more: [Link: www.sfgate.com…]
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:01:08am |
re: #411 albusteve
Hope they are growing indoors. They are to far North.
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:01:58am |
BP caught in yet another photo edit flap. This time Gawker appears to have found a photo of a helicopter surveying the Deepwater Horizon site that looks to have been edited in numerous ways.
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Nimed Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:02:54am |
re: #385 reine.de.tout
Hey, y’all, sorry, but I’m gonna push my own page here, for a minute.
I think this story is so - weird, I can’t even begin to figure out where it belongs (so I put it in the “weird” category.
Link to the full story at the page. Here’s my intro:
LOL That stuff is hysterical. Hypocrisy aside, the Ellington family must hate Traylor with a passion. Also — Noble Ellington III? Is that really a person’s name?
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:03:40am |
re: #32 publicityStunted
Worse even than that - they have an utter, complete, profound, unmitigated, seething CONTEMPT for their audience. I can’t dig up the link right now due to my horribly slow home Internet connection, but go to www.thedailyshow.com and search for “Gretchen Carlson” - that segment shows how she - a very intelligent and well-educated woman - puts on the total opposite “dumb blonde” persona because that’s what Fox believes its audience understands and relates to.
They have to think their viewers are gullible hate-filled morons with the attention span of a gnat - how else can you explain the dishonest, disingenuous, demagogic detritus they deliver, poisoning political discourse like a dioxin dump?
Well, their assessment of their audience is correct.
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:05:42am |
re: #370 albusteve
the bastions of liberal utopia are crumbling…when they come to the feds with their hands out, where will the money come from to keep the viable?
? The GOP has already filibustered aid to states.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:05:58am |
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:06:30am |
re: #414 Nimed
LOL That stuff is hysterical. Hypocrisy aside, the Ellington family must hate Traylor with a passion. Also — Noble Ellington III? Is that really a person’s name?
Yes, that is really a person’s name.
lol.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:06:32am |
I now have 2 houses all to myself. This is depressing.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:06:39am |
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darthstar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:07:22am |
re: #402 ralphieboy
Only because the NCAA backed him into a corner and forced him to do it.
/
Should have signed with the Lakers early.
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:08:00am |
re: #407 Killgore Trout
This also explains why the USDA was to terribly tetchy and over-sensitive when it came to any hint of racism among its staff.
But it also shows that Breitbart is a bit of an evil genius in his own weasely way - he was going for bigger targets with this story and it will not die away before this USDA case comes up for debate.
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:08:02am |
re: #379 Hanoch
That is an easy one. Your, or more likely, your kids, tax dollars.
A revelation - government is funded through tax dollars collected to support the general welfare of the city/state/country. They tried that whole take their money at the point of a sword, but decided representative government might be a better solution.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:08:06am |
re: #409 Nimed
[Link: [Link: www.salon.com…]…]
Few people are willing so publicly to confess to tribal biases and detail how they struggle to overcome them, even though that’s a challenge which any person who evolves at some point must confront. That process — far more than the pretense of having always been bias-free — requires difficult self-examination, and its public discussion offers vitally needed lessons for everyone. Many people are unwilling ever to engage that process privately, let alone candidly describe it publicly. Those with the courage to do so, like Sherrod, should be heralded for that candor. Instead, she was slandered, falsely disparaged, and fired
Yes, that is exactly what I was trying (clumsily) to say.
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Nimed Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:09:47am |
re: #391 ralphieboy
Breitbutt tries to make the point that he was not going after Sherrod personally, the tape was to demonstrate that “there were racists in the room” who applauded her descriptions of unfairly treting whites.
In da house!!!
By the way — the “it’s the crowd” spin also doesn’t hold up to scrutiny. In the unedited tape, Sherrod is very clear where her “white farmer” story is going before telling it. She says:
When I made that commitment [to stay in the South], I was making that commitment to black people, and to black people only. But you know God will show you things, and he’ll put things in your path so that you realize that the struggle is really about poor people.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:11:06am |
The first new incident allegedly took place at a Beverly Hills luxury hotel when Gore, 62, was in Hollywood to attend the Oscars in 2007. The second allegedly occurred a year later at a Tokyo hotel.
“The therapist claimed that when they were alone, Gore shrugged off a towel and stood naked in front of her,” a source said, recounting the Beverly Hills incident. “He pointed at his erect penis and ordered her, ‘Take care of this.’”
oh noez!
Read more: [Link: www.nypost.com…]
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:12:24am |
re: #420 albusteve
good
Not really. It’ll fester till crisis mode jumps in, like the unemployment extension, then the New England Republicans will cave and it will pass. Same with small business tax credits. The only thing that will be different is more time will be spent pissing in the wind then getting more work done.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:12:40am |
re: #426 albusteve
Wonder if it lasted more than 4 hours.
///
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:13:37am |
re: #425 Nimed
It need not hold up to scritny, it only needs to make a good bullet point.
And that is another important point we are learning here: if you start to speak in nuances or allegory or anything other than slogans, bullet points or shouted catch phrases, you run the risk of seeing your words twisted out of context and coming back to bite you in the butt.
Even the NAACP’s nuance of comdemning the Tea Party for not distancing itself from racists in its midst was boiled down to “NAACP calls Tea Party Racist!” and used to rationalize these sort of counter-attacks.
We are witnessing the death of political discourse in this country.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:14:08am |
re: #422 ralphieboy
This also explains why the USDA was to terribly tetchy and over-sensitive when it came to any hint of racism among its staff.
But it also shows that Breitbart is a bit of an evil genius in his own weasely way - he was going for bigger targets with this story and it will not die away before this USDA case comes up for debate.
Agreed.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:14:47am |
re: #426 albusteve
The first new incident allegedly took place at a Beverly Hills luxury hotel when Gore, 62, was in Hollywood to attend the Oscars in 2007. The second allegedly occurred a year later at a Tokyo hotel.
“The therapist claimed that when they were alone, Gore shrugged off a towel and stood naked in front of her,” a source said, recounting the Beverly Hills incident. “He pointed at his erect penis and ordered her, ‘Take care of this.’”oh noez!
Read more: [Link: www.nypost.com…]
Is there a reason you are so interested in Al Gore’s penis?
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:15:09am |
re: #426 albusteve
Whatever else you might maintain about Gore, I don’t recall him ever attacking a political opponent over marital affairs or sexual transgressions.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:15:22am |
re: #425 Nimed
There have been times when I have applauded a speaker for his candor, as a show of “yeah, been there, done that, too”, rather than as agreement with whatever the point is.
We don’t know what the applause was for. We really don’t; and it’s a mistake, IMO, to make an assumption about what the applause was for. We weren’t there.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:17:08am |
Sherrod: ‘I Really Think I Should’ Sue Breitbart
Shirley Sherrod said this morning on CNN that she would like to “get back at” Andrew Breitbart.
Asked if she would consider a defamation suit against Breibart, the conservative blogger who posted the edited clip that got her fired, she said, “I really think I should.”
“I don’t know a lot about the legal profession but that’s one person I’d like to get back at, because he came at me. He didn’t go after the NAACP; he came at me,” she went on.
She agreed with the hosts that it would be a “great thing” if Big Government was shut down. “I don’t see how that advances us in this country.”
“It’s hard for me to understand a person like him, and it’s hard for me to understand what is his purpose, what is he trying to do really,” she said. “He could easily make a decision to destroy me, but in destroying me, what else is he trying to do?”
She probably has a decent case but I’m not sure she’d win.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:17:38am |
re: #432 ralphieboy
Whatever else you might maintain about Gore, I don’t recall him ever attacking a political opponent over marital affairs or sexual transgressions.
I don’t maintain anything about Gore…I find it amusing that, if this is true, that National Enquirer is on a roll…probably never know
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:18:26am |
re: #431 Fozzie Bear
Is there a reason you are so interested in Al Gore’s penis?
I posted it just to get a rise out of you, thanks
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:19:27am |
re: #436 albusteve
I don’t maintain anything about Gore…I find it amusing that, if this is true, that National Enquirer is on a roll…probably never know
In any case, it sounds a lot like his boss Bill’s “kiss it” story.
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:19:48am |
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:21:52am |
re: #437 albusteve
I posted it just to get a rise out of you, thanks
re: #431 Fozzie Bear
Is there a reason you are so interested in Al Gore’s penis?
I posted it just to get a rise out of you, thanks
ROFLMAO!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:22:03am |
AlGore’s penis causes global warming since he need someone to drive an SUV or whatever to his hotel to take care of it.
///funny in my head
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Nimed Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:23:19am |
re: #434 Killgore Trout
Sherrod: ‘I Really Think I Should’ Sue Breitbart
She probably has a decent case but I’m not sure she’d win.
Greenwald on this:
Does she have grounds to sue Glenn, do you think she has grounds to sue those who released the edited video?
Possibly. If someone purposely distorts a video to cast false aspersions on you, that’s a form of defamation and other tortious conduct that’s probably actionable. As a practical matter, it’s probably difficult to prove damages (if she is offered her job back). Beyond that, Breitbart is claiming it wasn’t him but his “source” who did the editing, and you’d probably have to have a fight over whether he can conceal the source’s identity under some sort of shield law. But there’s little question that she was defamed and injured through wrongful and likely actionable conduct.
I think there could be claims against Breitbart either way because, as I said, I think it was clear even from the video in edited form that she was making the opposite point of the one he claimed she was making. That’s a form of recklessness that could be actionable even if he wasn’t the one who did the editing.
Finally, I think it’d be worth it to sue him just to uncover his “source” who did the editing. “Journalists” are supposed to expose their “sources” if they use the journalist to perpetrate a fraud.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:27:38am |
re: #442 Nimed
Finally, I think it’d be worth it to sue him just to uncover his “source” who did the editing. “Journalists” are supposed to expose their “sources” if they use the journalist to perpetrate a fraud.
I’m pretty sure he will protect his source for 2 reasons. 1) it’s probably a white racial activist and/or 2) there wasn’t really a “source”. Somebody may have tipped him off to the video but I’m pretty sure Breitbart did the editing himself or at least supervised the editing.
It will all be pretty difficult to prove in court.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:29:09am |
The officials said Gen. Petraeus, who took over as allied commander in Afghanistan this month and is conducting a review of the war, intends to draw on many of the same tactics he implemented to turn around the war in Iraq—and which his predecessor, Gen. Stanley McChrystal, introduced in Afghanistan.
Petraeus has his hands full, and I’ve got my fingers crossed hoping he can pull off a reversal and avoid a calamity
[Link: online.wsj.com…]
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Interesting Times Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:29:17am |
re: #433 reine.de.tout
There have been times when I have applauded a speaker for his candor, as a show of “yeah, been there, done that, too”, rather than as agreement with whatever the point is.
Exactly. Laughter, also, isn’t something that be judged without knowing the context - lots of times, people reflexively laugh out of discomfort or nervousness.
(sort of reminds me of an incident when I was in university - our class was watching an excerpt from Birth of a Nation, showing the KKK riding on horses to the tune of some cheesy, heroic “here they come to save the day” music. People laughed out of sheer “OMG did they actually film this crap” incredulity, not because they approved of the scene or the movie in any way).
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:29:26am |
re: #443 Cannadian Club Akbar
Did the interwebz break?
Somebody went into google and entered “google”. Happens all the time…
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:30:55am |
re: #446 publicityStunted
Exactly. Laughter, also, isn’t something that be judged without knowing the context - lots of times, people reflexively laugh out of discomfort or nervousness.
(sort of reminds me of an incident when I was in university - our class was watching an excerpt from Birth of a Nation, showing the KKK riding on horses to the tune of some cheesy, heroic “here they come to save the day” music. People laughed out of sheer “OMG did they actually film this crap” incredulity, not because they approved of the scene or the movie in any way).
Once again, nuances and context: remove them and you have “White students applaud KKK on horseback!”
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:31:28am |
re: #444 Killgore Trout
I’m pretty sure he will protect his source for 2 reasons. 1) it’s probably a white racial activist and/or 2) there wasn’t really a “source”. Somebody may have tipped him off to the video but I’m pretty sure Breitbart did the editing himself or at least supervised the editing.
It will all be pretty difficult to prove in court.
regardless…getting dragged onto the stand to explain himself would probably be enough to discredit him with more than half the country…the other’s won’t care about the truth obviously
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Radicchio ad Absurdum Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:31:30am |
re: #445 albusteve
The officials said Gen. Petraeus, who took over as allied commander in Afghanistan this month and is conducting a review of the war, intends to draw on many of the same tactics he implemented to turn around the war in Iraq—and which his predecessor, Gen. Stanley McChrystal, introduced in Afghanistan.
Petraeus has his hands full, and I’ve got my fingers crossed hoping he can pull off a reversal and avoid a calamity
[Link: online.wsj.com…]
Was his appointment a demotion of sorts? Wasn’t he MChrystal’s (sp) boss, and now he is doing his job?
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Blue Point Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:34:38am |
Line of reasoning leads to Rush is a drug addict, Glen Beck a drunk and Newt a philandering weasel. They all were, were they not? As for the here and now, Breightbart is a toad and Fox News is shameless. Oh, and this.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:34:57am |
re: #450 Radicchio ad Absurdum
Was his appointment a demotion of sorts? Wasn’t he MChrystal’s (sp) boss, and now he is doing his job?
Petraus was running CentCom in Tampa and McCrystal threw HIMSELF under the bus.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:35:28am |
re: #450 Radicchio ad Absurdum
Was his appointment a demotion of sorts? Wasn’t he MChrystal’s (sp) boss, and now he is doing his job?
yes, but I wouldn’t call it a demotion…Petraeus was the best man for the job all along but deemed too aggressive for BOs taste…he conjured the Surge in Iraq that BO continued to claim was a failure even into his campaign…ironic, isn’t it?
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:38:20am |
re: #452 Cannadian Club Akbar
Petraus was running CentCom in Tampa and McCrystal threw HIMSELF under the bus.
his, and BOs, ROE were a disaster…hopefully Petareus will tap into the bravado his troops feel for him and get something accomplished…plus we need more troops in the fight
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:38:22am |
re: #451 nines09
Line of reasoning leads to Rush is a drug addict, Glen Beck a drunk and Newt a philandering weasel. They all were, were they not? As for the here and now, Breightbart is a toad and Fox News is shameless. Oh, and this.
Rush got addicted to a drug that was known to be non addictive. Many people found out different. And I have purchased gold from Goldline well before Beck heard of them. And Beck IS a drunk.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:41:45am |
So, today’s big story: “Fox News invited to White House, given a tour of woodshed!”
In my dreams.
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:42:49am |
re: #456 Cato the Elder
So, today’s big story: “Fox News invited to White House, given a tour of woodshed!”
In my dreams.
You know wht they would uncover in the woodpile…
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:44:25am |
re: #455 Cannadian Club Akbar
Rush got addicted to a drug that was known to be non addictive. Many people found out different. And I have purchased gold from Goldline well before Beck heard of them. And Beck IS a drunk.
And, IIRC, drug addicts in Palm Beach County got charges dropped if they did rehap. They didn’t offer that to Rush. AND, the prosecutor was related to Betty Castor, the woman who lost the race for Florida Gubner.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:44:55am |
Israel launches campaign to halt Lebanon flotilla bound for Gaza
The Foreign Ministry instructed Israeli ambassadors to ask senior officials in the United States, United Nations, European Union and Egypt to pressure Syria and Lebanon to stop the flotilla, which Israel deems a “provocation” in light of its recent decision to end its civilian blockade of Gaza.
Syria has been included because senior Israeli officials say it is helping to organize the flotilla. Hezbollah is also involved, they charged.
wonder what the peacenicks think about this
[Link: www.haaretz.com…]
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:45:41am |
re: #302 RogueOne
Calling someone a racist is just as ugly as calling the president a Nazi.
Except when that someone happens to be a racist.
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Radicchio ad Absurdum Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:48:20am |
re: #452 Cannadian Club Akbar
Petraus was running CentCom in Tampa and McCrystal threw HIMSELF under the bus.
That doesn’t answer my question. I am not familiar with the military and the press said that Petraus was McCrystals boss. Since Petraus is no longer doing his old job, but instead is now doing the job of his former subordinate, I wanted to know if this was a demotion. Apparently, according to albusteve, it is not.
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Slap Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:48:41am |
re: #339 lawhawk
It’s a mixed bag of good and not-so-much, methinks. The following verbal riffage is based on the (hopeful) assumption that the resurrection of GMAC is confined to its original core reason for existence — auto financing, not mortgages.
Having worked as a lender as well as on the dealership end of things (I’m continuing the long payment plan of the rest of my karmic debt for that, just so you know….), I can definitely tell you that “subprime” as it relates to automotive lending, as long as the basic principles haven’t substantially changed, is a bit of a different bag than the kind of activities that occurred in the mortgage mess.
Typically, a subprime auto borrower faces a fairly severe set of restrictions from the jump. Usually a chunk of a down payment is required (which varies based on the perceived risk, and can be up to 30% of the retail, if not higher); rates are usually much higher; and the borrower’s choices of vehicle are severely compressed to smaller prices and far fewer eligible model years, rarely eligible for new cars because of the value drop. All restrictions are designed to limit risk to something manageable; a car loan to someone who can’t afford it isn’t just lost loan money, it’s a series of administrative expenses as well, from repo to resale to chargeoff of remaining balances…..
One of the consequences of the evaporation of lending since the meltdown is that lenders, in general, have been completely avoiding all but the least risky loans in all fields — so ultimately, this is a good thing that someone is trying to open the taps a little more. As long as they manage the details of the loan risk carefully and stick to a minimum set of hardline requirements, it could turn out great for all concerned.
I have fingers crossed.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:51:12am |
re: #461 Radicchio ad Absurdum
Petraus is now putting himself in harms way. Pads the resume. War Zone. (not that he needs it) It is not a step down. Did they fill his shoes in Tampa?
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Targetpractice Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:52:16am |
re: #456 Cato the Elder
So, today’s big story: “Fox News invited to White House, given a tour of woodshed!”
In my dreams.
God, wouldn’t that be nice. But no, my fear is that Obama is just going to let Faux crawl away from this yet again. Something that will very likely come back to bite him in the ass between now and 2012.
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prairiefire Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:53:19am |
re: #419 Cannadian Club Akbar
I now have 2 houses all to myself. This is depressing.
Advertise you have free practice space for local rock bands.
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Hanoch Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:53:21am |
re: #423 Jeff In Ohio
There are those who believe that, for most things, individuals, their families, and their social and/or religious networks — not the government — are the best way to support the “general welfare”. And a very good argument can be made that they have the weight of the evidence on their side.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:54:16am |
re: #465 prairiefire
Advertise you have free practice space for local rock bands.
Holy shit!! My house is in the country and I already did that once!!!!
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:55:21am |
Headline in newsmax:
[Link: www.newsmax.com…]
“President Obama’s standing with American voters is so low that the latest Quinnipiac University poll indicates Obama would lose an election to “an unnamed Republican” — meaning any GOP opponent — by 39 to 36 percent”
There’s only one fly in the ointment: The Republicans are going to have to name somebody at some point…or couldn’t they just run a placeholder candidate to be filled at a later date at a party caucus?
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:55:32am |
Oh, there’s Gellers in the woodwork,
Breitbarts in the walls.
Those racist shits with capped-toothed grins
are gonna get you by the the balls.
And when this fight is over,
how happy I will be,
a-gettin’ ready for real Nazis,
and go-round number three.
[with apologies to Thomas Pynchon]
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:57:06am |
re: #468 ralphieboy
And this is why I don’t bother with polls…
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:57:49am |
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Targetpractice Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:58:22am |
re: #468 ralphieboy
Headline in newsmax:
[Link: www.newsmax.com…]
“President Obama’s standing with American voters is so low that the latest Quinnipiac University poll indicates Obama would lose an election to “an unnamed Republican” — meaning any GOP opponent — by 39 to 36 percent”
There’s only one fly in the ointment: The Republicans are going to have to name somebody at some point…or couldn’t they just run a placeholder candidate to be filled at a later date at a party caucus?
Bah, I’ve already decided who I’m votin’ for come 2012: Cthulhu. Why vote for the lesser evil?
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Radicchio ad Absurdum Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:58:29am |
re: #463 Cannadian Club Akbar
Petraus is now putting himself in harms way. Pads the resume. War Zone. (not that he needs it) It is not a step down. Did they fill his shoes in Tampa?
I saw a headline and quickly perused the NYT article a few days back. I do not remember his name, but they say that he tends toward ” impolitic” speech. re: #463 Cannadian Club Akbar
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:58:37am |
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prairiefire Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:59:45am |
re: #456 Cato the Elder
So, today’s big story: “Fox News invited to White House, given a tour of woodshed!”
In my dreams.
I think Megyn Kelly would be a great White House bartender. She could shake the cocktail mixer while glaring at everyone. A little old lady would ask her to keep making her a Mojito until it tasted right.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:00:05am |
re: #474 Cannadian Club Akbar
You spelled it wrong…
Phishing Poles.
They’re the worst. I just got an offer by email promising me mega-zlotys if I would only just give them my bank details.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:00:35am |
re: #473 Radicchio ad Absurdum
I saw a headline and quickly perused the NYT article a few days back. I do not remember his name, but they say that he tends toward ” impolitic” speech. re: #463 Cannadian Club Akbar
[Link: www.centcom.mil…]
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:01:25am |
re: #476 Cato the Elder
They’re the worst. I just got an offer by email promising me mega-zlotys if I would only just give them my bank details.
We’ll be rich!!! WOOT!!
/or broke
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:01:59am |
WASHINGTON — Perhaps the last best hope of Democrats to pass legislation aimed at creating jobs before the November elections seemed to be crumbling in the Senate on Wednesday as Republicans signaled that they would block a bill to expand government lending programs and grant an array of tax breaks to small businesses.
everybody is playing politics with the economy…the feds clearly own the economy and all that entails in peoples lives…votes mean every thing regardless of the outcome, because re-election trumps all…we are hosed
[Link: www.nytimes.com…]
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:02:14am |
re: #474 Cannadian Club Akbar
You spelled it wrong…
Phishing Poles.
I got a mail from some of them: some site advertising itself as the European Union Tourist Promotion Board or something, supposedly offering free money to anyone going on vacation to promote the tourist industry.
I found it rather suspect, turns out it is some scam originating in Poland.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:03:03am |
re: #474 Cannadian Club Akbar
You spelled it wrong…
Phishing Poles.
that’s what you get when Phish performs in Warsaw
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Kronocide Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:03:30am |
What Tweeteth Palin, whose heart be stabbed by Muslim retail?
| 483 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:03:43am |
I was without internet for 4 days last week. I had 104 emails. I opened one. Spam sucks.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:03:57am |
re: #446 publicityStunted
Exactly. Laughter, also, isn’t something that be judged without knowing the context - lots of times, people reflexively laugh out of discomfort or nervousness.
(sort of reminds me of an incident when I was in university - our class was watching an excerpt from Birth of a Nation, showing the KKK riding on horses to the tune of some cheesy, heroic “here they come to save the day” music. People laughed out of sheer “OMG did they actually film this crap” incredulity, not because they approved of the scene or the movie in any way).
The same thing happened to the guy who taped Helen Thomas during her “Jews go back to Poland!” rant. He was so shocked that he laughed.
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:04:18am |
re: #479 albusteve
WASHINGTON — Perhaps the last best hope of Democrats to pass legislation aimed at creating jobs before the November elections seemed to be crumbling in the Senate on Wednesday as Republicans signaled that they would block a bill to expand government lending programs and grant an array of tax breaks to small businesses.
everybody is playing politics with the economy…the feds clearly own the economy and all that entails in peoples lives…votes mean every thing regardless of the outcome, because re-election trumps all…we are hosed
[Link: www.nytimes.com…]
The logic is clear: only the Republicans can save the economy. But in order to run the Democrats out of office in order to save it, they first have work to destroy it.
Worked in Vietnam, didn’t it?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:05:19am |
I am half Polish and half German. Which side of the family should I be mad at?
//
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:06:07am |
It’s perfectly OK to call racists racists and Nazis Nazis.
Quote from “Firefly”:
Badger: You think you’re better than other people!
Mal: Just the ones I’m better than.
| 488 |
rwdflynavy Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:06:20am |
re: #468 ralphieboy
Headline in newsmax:
[Link: www.newsmax.com…]
“President Obama’s standing with American voters is so low that the latest Quinnipiac University poll indicates Obama would lose an election to “an unnamed Republican” — meaning any GOP opponent — by 39 to 36 percent”
There’s only one fly in the ointment: The Republicans are going to have to name somebody at some point…or couldn’t they just run a placeholder candidate to be filled at a later date at a party caucus?
Awesome! All we have to do now is find a well-known Republican who isn’t batshit crazy!!!….Oh CRAP!
//
| 489 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:06:29am |
re: #485 ralphieboy
The logic is clear: only the Republicans can save the economy. But in order to run the Democrats out of office in order to save it, they first have work to destroy it.
Worked in Vietnam, didn’t it?
what’s clear is that we are caught in the middle…the feds got us into this mess, and now can’t get us out without massive voter fallout…I hate the feds
| 490 |
prairiefire Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:06:41am |
This is an interesting move by Sec Of State Ms. Clinton in Iraq:[Link: www.mcclatchydc.com…]
| 491 |
Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:07:40am |
re: #488 rwdflynavy
Awesome! All we have to do now is find a well-known Republican who isn’t batshit crazy!!!…Oh CRAP!
//
That is exactly the fly in the ointment. The Republican ideal can beat the Reality of Obama, but not any real-life person they can muster.
| 492 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:07:42am |
re: #486 Cannadian Club Akbar
I am half Polish and half German. Which side of the family should I be mad at?
//
Which ones serves better booze at family gatherings?
Be mad at the other ones.
| 493 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:08:09am |
re: #490 prairiefire
This is an interesting move by Sec Of State Ms. Clinton in Iraq:[Link: www.mcclatchydc.com…]
I read that and am still laughing….fed sanctioned mercs….Blackwater!
| 494 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:09:51am |
re: #492 Cato the Elder
Which ones serves better booze at family gatherings?
Be mad at the other ones.
I bring my own.
They both suck.
Thank you Cato.
Heh.
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Kronocide Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:10:10am |
re: #488 rwdflynavy
Awesome! All we have to do now is find a well-known Republican who isn’t batshit crazy!!!…Oh CRAP!
//
That’s easy.
‘How do you make a million dollars? Start with two million.’
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:10:21am |
re: #491 ralphieboy
That is exactly the fly in the ointment. The Republican ideal can beat the Reality of Obama, but not any real-life person they can muster.
When was the last time a Republican administration came even close to living up to the “ideal”?
| 497 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:10:56am |
re: #493 albusteve
I read that and am still laughing…fed sanctioned mercs…Blackwater!
BLACKWATER!!
Had to be bolded.
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:12:18am |
re: #496 Cato the Elder
When was the last time a Republican administration came even close to living up to the “ideal”?
It’s not what they are: it’s what they stand for.
That is what makes Sarah palin so popular: she stands for rugged individualism, common sense over intellectualism, family, church, small-town America, etc.
She would have succeeded if reality had not kept tripping her up.
| 500 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:14:52am |
re: #497 Cannadian Club Akbar
BLACKWATER!!
Had to be bolded.
funny about this admin…everything that was disdained is now in practice or at least not off the books…I refrain from further comment
| 501 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:16:06am |
re: #498 ralphieboy
It’s not what they are: it’s what they stand for.
That is what makes Sarah palin so popular: she stands for
rugged individualismmaking a quick buck,common sense over intellectualismself-interest over duty,familypimping her children,churchJesusland,small-town Americaprivate jets, etc.She would have succeeded if reality had not kept tripping her up.
FTFY.
| 502 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:16:40am |
| 503 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:17:50am |
re: #500 albusteve
funny about this admin…everything that was disdained is now in practice or at least not off the books…I refrain from further comment
Funny when you get a National Security report….
| 504 |
RogueOne Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:18:16am |
re: #374 ShaunP
Distraction. The idea that calling Brietbart a racist has some implication on Rogue or conservatives in general is really a non-issue. It truly is important that this isn’t downplayed…
Breitbart is not a hood wearing, goosestepping racist, but he is a race-baiter, fanning the flames of racial issues in this country. That’s a fucking racist… no matter how loud he says “no I’m not.” Hell, he might not even realize he is. But playing the fears of white americans against black americans is racist. Period.
That is a completely different argument than what was being made and I think it’s a legit fact to point out. My problem is that some seem to have such a finely tuned dog-whistle in one hand while arguing on the other that racism really isn’t all that bad comparatively. It seems their whistle alert only goes off when it’s a political opponent making the remarks.
| 505 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:18:47am |
U.S. financial bailout figure hits $3.7 trillion
(Reuters) - Increased housing commitments swelled U.S. taxpayer infusions into the nation’s financial system by $700 billion in the past year to around $3.7 trillion, a government watchdog said Wednesday.
The Special Inspector General for the Troubled Asset Relief Program said the increase was due largely to the government’s pledges to supply capital to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and to guarantee more mortgages to the support the housing market.
doh!….I thought we’d covered this ground once…like watching the Keystone Kops
[Link: www.chicagotribune.com…]
| 506 |
Kragar (Antichrist ) Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:19:33am |
| 507 |
RogueOne Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:20:57am |
re: #358 Obdicut
What are you talking about, dude? Did you just ignore my post? What relationship does this have to anything I’m talking about?
I mean, never mind that an accusation of “Nazi” includes an allegation of racism, so obviously it’s worse than calling someone a racist; why are you talking about body counts?
You didn’t make an argument you just said mine was “fucking silly” and then preceded to explain why racism isn’t as bad as fascism which I believe is fucking stupid and historically inaccurate but I managed to keep my thoughts to myself.
| 508 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:21:01am |
re: #503 Cannadian Club Akbar
Funny when you get a National Security report…
and the media turns a blind eye to all the promises from BOs campaign….some of his assertions were easily disputed then…BO behaves like his hated nemisis….Bush!
| 509 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:21:08am |
| 510 |
lawhawk Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:21:53am |
And now a moment of … umm… odd toys.
Get yourself an Anna Chapman doll. Well, two versions really:
Herobuilders.com, a dollmaker specializing in custom and topically-relevant action figures (Dastardly BP Chieftain Tony Hayward! He-Man Senator Scott Brown!), has just unveiled an Anna Chapman Spy Girl doll.Two Anna Chapman dolls, actually.
Anna the Predator cuts an imposing Lara-Croftian figure in a white sports bra and high-waisted, sharply creased jeans.
For the more adventurous, Anna the Spy I Could Love wears black patent-leather platform ankle boots, diaphanous knee socks, a tight tartan skirt and, uh, nothing else.
| 511 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:22:23am |
re: #507 RogueOne
You didn’t make an argument you just said mine was “fucking silly” and then preceded to explain why racism isn’t as bad as fascism which I believe is fucking stupid and historically inaccurate but I managed to keep my thoughts to myself.
I can’t even follow this weird debate
| 512 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:22:59am |
re: #510 lawhawk
She is SO HAWT!!! (not the doll)
| 513 |
Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:24:18am |
re: #498 ralphieboy
She would have succeeded if reality had not kept tripping her up.
She was a day tripper,
One way ticket, yeah,
It took me so-o-o long,
To find out…I found out!
| 514 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:24:56am |
re: #509 Cannadian Club Akbar
I’m just glad Gitmo is closed. Wait, What?
/
so whatever happened to KSM?….hahaha!
Holder still working up a ‘decision’?….no he’s waiting til after the mid terms…can you believe it? haha!….no principle, just politics
| 515 |
jamesfirecat Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:25:35am |
re: #513 Spare O’Lake
She was a day tripper,
One way ticket, yeah,
It took me so-o-o long,
To find out…I found out!
Considering how many people’s feelings at LGF have changed about Palin that is wonderfully on the mark, have an upding.
| 516 |
Kragar (Antichrist ) Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:26:22am |
re: #509 Cannadian Club Akbar
I’m just glad Gitmo is closed. Wait, What?
/
And that we stopped predator strikes…huh?
| 517 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:27:28am |
| 518 |
Slap Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:27:56am |
re: #486 Cannadian Club Akbar
Only the ones who didn’t favor annexing the Sudatenland….
| 519 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:29:13am |
The White House struggled mightily Wednesday to make things right with an aggrieved Shirley Sherrod — but it is working nearly as hard to distance President Barack Obama and his top aides from the racially tinged firing fiasco.
SCANDAL!….head for cover!
Read more: [Link: www.politico.com…]
| 520 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:29:26am |
re: #518 Slap
Only the ones who didn’t favor annexing the Sudatenland…
So, I’m part Sudatenleese? I can’t even spell that..
/
| 521 |
Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:29:46am |
re: #508 albusteve
and the media turns a blind eye to all the promises from BOs campaign…some of his assertions were easily disputed then…BO behaves like his hated nemisis…Bush!
I predict that in his third term, Obama will long ago have passed Bush on the right and will be closing in fast on Attilla the Hun.
| 522 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:30:54am |
re: #521 Spare O’Lake
I predict that in his third term, Obama will long ago have passed Bush on the right and will be closing in fast on Attilla the Hun.
that soon?….sounds like at least a fourth term milestone
| 523 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:31:45am |
re: #520 Cannadian Club Akbar
So, I’m part Sudatenleese? I can’t even spell that..
/
they open their beer bottles in the morning the same way you do
| 525 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:32:30am |
| 526 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:33:30am |
re: #519 albusteve
It’s amazing that people are still trying to spin this against Obama. Just plain stupid.
| 527 |
Capitalist Tool Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:35:25am |
I’m amazed that Andrew Breitbart still has a job.
On second thought, I’m not, since this isn’t the first stunt he’s pulled, but might be the worst.
| 528 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:36:34am |
re: #526 Killgore Trout
It’s amazing that people are still trying to spin this against Obama. Just plain stupid.
worse yet, it will probably work
| 529 |
tradewind Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:36:47am |
re: #526 Killgore Trout
It should have nothing to do with POTUS at all, but it appears from the NYT link above that the lady who was wronged in this case is attempting to change that.
| 530 |
ShaunP Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:37:42am |
re: #529 tradewind
It should have nothing to do with POTUS at all, but it appears from the NYT link above that the lady who was wronged in this case is attempting to change that.
Yep. From your link:
She said she would like to have a conversation with Mr. Obama but did not believe he owed her an apology.
| 531 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:38:33am |
re: #530 ShaunP
She said she would like to have a conversation with Mr. Obama but did not believe he owed her an apology.
Outrageous!
| 532 |
Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:38:37am |
re: #524 tradewind
No, really??
[Link: www.nytimes.com…]
From the linked article:
She said she would like to have a conversation with Mr. Obama but did not believe he owed her an apology.“I’d like to talk to him a little bit about the experiences of people like me, people at the grass-roots level, people who live out there in rural America, people who live in the South,” she said Thursday on “Today.” “I know he does not have that kind of experience. Let me help him a little bit with how we think, how we live and the things that are happening.”
Am I hallucinating, or did Sherrod just say that Obama lives in an ivory tower and lacks real-world racial experience?
| 533 |
Nimed Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:39:18am |
re: #527 Capitalist Tool
I’m amazed that Andrew Breitbart still has a job.
On second thought, I’m not, since this isn’t the first stunt he’s pulled, but might be the worst.
The advantages of being self-employed. Of course, he should be shunned for this and he probably won’t.
| 534 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:40:01am |
Ladies and Gentlemen, it all comes down to who is in charge, as to who gets fired, depending on you political affiliation. TRUTH.
| 535 |
Locker Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:40:10am |
re: #532 Spare O’Lake
Am I hallucinating, or did Sherrod just say that Obama lives in an ivory tower and lacks real-world racial experience?
Yes, you are hallucinating. Sherrod said he doesn’t have experience living in the rural south. See… it’s right there in your quote…
| 536 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:40:48am |
re: #532 Spare O’Lake
Am I hallucinating, or did Sherrod just say that Obama lives in an ivory tower and lacks real-world racial experience?
Lol. ODS is strong in here this morning.
| 537 |
Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:41:00am |
re: #507 RogueOne
You didn’t make an argument you just said mine was “fucking silly” and then preceded to explain why racism isn’t as bad as fascism which I believe is fucking stupid and historically inaccurate but I managed to keep my thoughts to myself.
Just because you didn’t engage with the argument doesn’t mean it wasn’t made, Rogue.
I laid out the reasons why calling someone a Nazi and calling someone a fascism are on different levels.
| 538 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:41:04am |
re: #532 Spare O’Lake
Am I hallucinating, or did Sherrod just say that Obama lives in an ivory tower and lacks real-world racial experience?
You’re hallucinating. She said he doesn’t have experience living in the rural South. Which is a plain fact.
| 539 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:41:16am |
re: #535 Locker
Yes, you are hallucinating. Sherrod said he doesn’t have experience living in the rural south. See… it’s right there in your quote…
He’s uppity!
/wingnut
| 540 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:42:38am |
| 541 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:42:48am |
WASHINGTON — The Obama administration’s program to help homeowners avoid foreclosure has fallen far short of its goals, in part because the Treasury Department has failed to spell out what its objectives should be, according to an assessment offered to Congress on Wednesday.
Neil M. Barofsky, the special inspector general for the Troubled Asset Relief Program, as the bailout is called, testified that “one of the greatest failures” by the Treasury Department had been the absence of clear goals for the program.
where exactly has all the TARP money gone, and what’s to show for it?
[Link: www.nytimes.com…]
| 542 |
Nimed Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:43:40am |
re: #532 Spare O’Lake
Am I hallucinating, or did Sherrod just say that Obama lives in an ivory tower and lacks real-world racial experience?
Man, you just try too hard. It’s trivially true that Obama doesn’t have the experience of living in the rural South. We all know that from what we have heard of his life experience. What’s wrong with that?
| 543 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:43:59am |
| 544 |
Nimed Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:45:04am |
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tradewind Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:45:49am |
re: #530 ShaunP
According to Politico, Ms Sherrod wants a sit-down with POTUS.
[Link: www.politico.com…]
She nailed this one, though….
“You know the thing that really hurts? It was so easy for them to make a decision to throw me under thebridgebus without looking. … It was easy to put the blame all on me [and] get me out of there.
(fixed that bridge thing for her)
Read more: [Link: www.politico.com…]
| 546 |
Fozzie Bear Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:45:51am |
re: #532 Spare O’Lake
Am I hallucinating, or did Sherrod just say that Obama lives in an ivory tower and lacks real-world racial experience?
No, I believe you were saying you were a delusional paranoid who lacks common sense. Go on.
| 547 |
Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:49:21am |
| 548 |
tradewind Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:49:58am |
re: #546 Fozzie Bear
You might want to read what she said in the Politico interview before firming up that opinion.
She certainly did imply that while Obama was part African American, he lacked a certain….. authentic experience.
“I know he’s African-American or part African-American, and many of us are not totally black in our genes. I’m one of them. But when you get down to where the rubber meets the road, I think he needs to understand a little more of what life is like at that level.”
Read more: [Link: www.politico.com…]
| 549 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:51:57am |
re: #546 Fozzie Bear
No, I believe you were saying you were a delusional paranoid who lacks common sense. Go on.
boooo
| 550 |
garhighway Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:56:21am |
re: #393 darthstar
President Obama didn’t close any dealerships. GM did. Yes, the government bailed out GM and temporarily held majority share as a result, but GM made their own decisions.
Again with the facts.
| 551 |
Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:57:35am |
re: #546 Fozzie Bear
No, I believe you were saying you were a delusional paranoid who lacks common sense. Go on.
Hi Fozzie, what’s wrong? Did your butt get hurt by the magnificent Ms. Sherrod’s dressing-down of Obama? I wonder how long it will take for the Obama fan club to turn on her.
| 552 |
rwdflynavy Thu, Jul 22, 2010 9:57:45am |
re: #537 Obdicut
Just because you didn’t engage with the argument doesn’t mean it wasn’t made, Rogue.
I laid out the reasons why calling someone a Nazi and calling someone a fascism are on different levels.
You are a Fascism! Man, you are right that is different…
//
| 553 |
Fozzie Bear Thu, Jul 22, 2010 10:01:58am |
re: #551 Spare O’Lake
Hi Fozzie, what’s wrong? Did your butt get hurt by the magnificent Ms. Sherrod’s dressing-down of Obama? I wonder how long it will take for the Obama fan club to turn on her.
My, how you embrace the wingnut memes as though they were your long-lost children.
No, seriously, you’re a fucking moron.
| 554 |
blueraven Thu, Jul 22, 2010 10:24:21am |
re: #545 tradewind
According to Politico, Ms Sherrod wants a sit-down with POTUS.
[Link: www.politico.com…]
She nailed this one, though…
(fixed that bridge thing for her)
Read more: [Link: www.politico.com…]
She also nailed this part:
When asked whether she might sue Andrew Breitbart, the conservative publisher who first ran the edited, out-of-context tape of her speech to the NAACP group in Georgia, she said:
“You know, it’s hard to take a person like him. It’s hard for me to understand a person like him. What is his purpose? What is he trying to do? He could easily make a decision to destroy me, but in destroying me, what else is he trying to do?
Read more: [Link: www.politico.com…]
| 555 |
prairiefire Thu, Jul 22, 2010 10:25:33am |
re: #554 blueraven
Wow, there are two blueravens. I thought so.
| 556 |
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Trump’s “Stolen Election” Lie Based on Evidence From Pervy Bathroom Cam-Spy OK, this really takes the cake. If you have relatives that still cling to the “election was stolen, dadgum, I jes’ KNOW IT … This should be a slight remedy to the stubborn madness Thanks to online anonymity, the ...
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Best of April 2024 Nothing new here but these are a look back at the a few good images from the past month. Despite the weather, I was quite pleased with several of them. These were taken with older lenses (made from the ...
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Gateway Pundit, Sued by Election Workers, Declares BankruptcyA onetime favorite, now just pathetic figure around these parts, Jim Hoft aka SMOTI ("Stupidest Man On The Internet"), has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in response to the defamation lawsuits filed against him to the same election workers that ... Khal Wimpo (free internal organs upon request!)
The Pandemic Cost 7 Million Lives, but Talks to Prevent a Repeat Stall In late 2021, as the world reeled from the arrival of the highly contagious omicron variant of the coronavirus, representatives of almost 200 countries met - some online, some in-person in Geneva - hoping to forestall a future worldwide ...
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Once Praised, the Settlement to Help Sickened BP Oil Spill Workers Leaves Most With Nearly Nothing When a deadly explosion destroyed BP’s Deepwater Horizon drilling rig in the Gulf of Mexico, 134 million gallons of crude erupted into the sea over the next three months — and tens of thousands of ordinary people were hired ... Cheechako
Alone in a Bathroom: The Fear and Uncertainty of a Post-Roe Medication Abortion Angel tucked two white pills into each side of her mouth, bracing herself as they began to dissolve. Her deepest fears and anxieties took over. Angel had wanted to talk to a doctor before she took the pills to ... Cheechako
They Were Desperate to Get Pregnant. Then IVF Gave Them Extra Embryos. One morning last spring, Ashley Harrolle put her 1-year-old daughter down for a nap and went to the kitchen. She pulled up her fertility clinic’s contact information. It was time to make the call. In a freezer several hundred ... Cheechako
Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ... Cheechako
