Fantastic Four #52, July 1966: Introducing the Black Panther

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Since the New Black Panther Party has been the race-baiting rage lately, here’s a related cover image from the Lizard Collection: issue #52 of Fantastic Four, a classic released in July 1966, an arguably more innocent and open time. This book featured the first appearance of African superhero Black Panther, who would go on to become one of the Avengers. It’s Jack Kirby and Stan Lee at the top of their talents, drawing on 60s memes and cultural icons to create a new, distinct, and very influential form of pop art.

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1 Henchman 26  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:36:41pm

I wonder if the Human Torch ever had heartburn?

2 brookly red  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:37:03pm

cool... now if only it was the new black panther.

3 Henchman 26  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:38:26pm

re: #2 brookly red

cool... now if only it was the new black panther.

Don't get all catty on us.

4 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:38:54pm

If I had that collection I'd sell it off soon. The rash of comic book movies is getting really annoying and I think the comic book craze has probably reached its zenith.

5 brookly red  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:38:58pm

re: #1 b_sharp

I wonder if the Human Torch ever had heartburn?

as a former marvel employee I assure you not... he did have "relationship issues" though.

6 Henchman 26  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:41:25pm

re: #5 brookly red

as a former marvel employee I assure you not... he did have "relationship issues" though.

Like?

Male enhancement needed, or Viagra?

7 brookly red  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:42:24pm

re: #4 Killgore Trout

If I had that collection I'd sell it off soon. The rash of comic book movies is getting really annoying and I think the comic book craze has probably reached its zenith.

no don't ever sell in a bad market... there are plenty of bloomers that bought plenty of gold... Arggg gold mate show me the gold.

8 brookly red  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:43:30pm

re: #6 b_sharp

Like?

Male enhancement needed, or Viagra?

like burning bush & not like Moses.

9 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:44:32pm

I would like to nominate this to serve as a rotating title:

I am a history buff.

Of course, nobody would get it, but I think that might be a prerequisite for a rotating title.

10 austin_blue  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:45:20pm

Charles, you clever boots!

What a time to throw that one out there.

Bwahaha!

11 Henchman 26  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:47:40pm

re: #9 wrenchwench

I would like to nominate this to serve as a rotating title:

Of course, nobody would get it, but I think that might be a prerequisite for a rotating title.

You are wise beyond your years.

12 brookly red  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:47:57pm

well if I make a beer run now methinks I won't miss much...

13 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:48:27pm

re: #11 b_sharp

You know how many years I got?

14 Henchman 26  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:49:15pm

re: #13 wrenchwench

You know how many years I got?

As many as Solomon?

15 brookly red  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:50:01pm

re: #13 wrenchwench

You know how many years I got?

the term wench suggests still in the game :)

16 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:52:49pm

We'll just say I'm kinda old for a "wench".

I have divulged my age elsewhere in these pages, no need to do it again here...

17 Stonemason  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:54:02pm

When the President asks you to step aside, it just might be time.
I hope Rangel listens, but, I have a feeling he won't.

18 Henchman 26  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:54:05pm

re: #16 wrenchwench

We'll just say I'm kinda old for a "wench".

I have divulged my age elsewhere in these pages, no need to do it again here...

Hey, I'm turning 55 in 4 weeks.

Parts of my body turned 55 decades ago.

19 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:57:01pm

re: #18 b_sharp

Hey, I'm turning 55 in 4 weeks.

Remind me to say "Happy Birthday", I won't remember that long. And you are a bit older than I....

Parts of my body turned 55 decades ago.

Mysterious!

See y'all tomorrow.

20 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:57:19pm

re: #17 Stonemason

When the President asks you to step aside, it just might be time.
I hope Rangel listens, but, I have a feeling he won't.

According to Hannity today he "threw him under the bus." Of course if he had stuck up for him...

21 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:57:29pm

re: #17 Stonemason

When the President asks you to step aside, it just might be time.
I hope Rangel listens, but, I have a feeling he won't.

Obama is right on that score. Despite the value hiss experience has been to the Democrats, this ethic trial makes Charlie Rangel a liability. If he does not resign, the charges against him will be a club the GOP will hit the Democrats with.

22 Henchman 26  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:58:25pm

re: #19 wrenchwench

Mysterious!

See y'all tomorrow.

Later.

23 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:00:12pm

re: #21 Dark_Falcon

Obama is right on that score. Despite the value hiss experience has been to the Democrats, this ethic trial makes Charlie Rangel a liability. If he does not resign, the charges against him will be a club the GOP will hit the Democrats with.

Precisely. Even before the ethics charges were brought up, the GOP was looking to capitalize on the increasing number of accusations against him. He's become an albatross that the party leadership wants gone, regardless of how valuable a vote he's been up til now.

24 BryanS  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:04:23pm

re: #17 Stonemason

When the President asks you to step aside, it just might be time.
I hope Rangel listens, but, I have a feeling he won't.

Give it time. When the president of the same party says something like that, it is the end.

25 BryanS  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:05:14pm

re: #23 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Precisely. Even before the ethics charges were brought up, the GOP was looking to capitalize on the increasing number of accusations against him. He's become an albatross that the party leadership wants gone, regardless of how valuable a vote he's been up til now.

He's in a safe district, the vote will be preserved.

26 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:05:47pm

re: #18 b_sharp

Hey, I'm turning 55 in 4 weeks.

Parts of my body turned 55 decades ago.

I turned 55 last Monday.........

Now I qualify for the senior discount at Carrows!

27 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:08:51pm

re: #25 BryanS

He's in a safe district, the vote will be preserved.

The way things are going, I don't think any district is "safe" in November. The native's are restless and more than a few incumbents will find themselves in the soup for perceived "crimes against the people."

28 BryanS  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:10:11pm

re: #27 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The way things are going, I don't think any district is "safe" in November. The native's are restless and more than a few incumbents will find themselves in the soup for perceived "crimes against the people."

Congressional districts are a bit different. Rangel is in about as safe of a district as such a thing could exist.

29 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:10:14pm

The Fantastic Four of the right-wing shitverse:

Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer, Andrew Breitbart, and Glenn Beck.

Coming soon to a megaplex near you.

Imagine the costumes!

30 tradewind  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:10:22pm

Hope that piece of human debris Assange , sleeps well after reading this:
[Link: www.newsweek.com...]

31 tradewind  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:11:52pm

re: #17 Stonemason
I'm mildly surprised that POTUS took the bold step of demanding a resignation, given the administration's recent history./

32 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:12:48pm

re: #30 tradewind

Hope that piece of human debris Assange , sleeps well after reading this:
[Link: www.newsweek.com...]

I'm sure he sleeps well. He has no conscience. I just hope he's going to do his sleeping in a jail cell soon.

33 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:13:33pm

re: #31 tradewind

I'm mildly surprised that POTUS took the bold step of demanding a resignation, given the administration's recent history./

I think it's surprising too but my guess is the evidence looks pretty bad.

34 brookly red  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:13:35pm

re: #24 BryanS

Give it time. When the president of the same party says something like that, it is the end.

Charlie is 80 years old... Charlie is past caring what is good for the party... Charlie will take care of Charlie.

35 tradewind  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:13:51pm

re: #25 BryanS
The only question re Rangel's district is whether he gets to hand-pick his successor or one of the new young turks takes over. Either way, the voting history will be seamless.

36 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:14:06pm

re: #28 BryanS

Congressional districts are a bit different. Rangel is in about as safe of a district as such a thing could exist.

Hi Bryan
The Kennedy seat in Mass was completely safe..The Gov of New Jersey was Safe...I think this year is the year of vote the bums out..

37 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:15:02pm

re: #28 BryanS

Congressional districts are a bit different. Rangel is in about as safe of a district as such a thing could exist.

I'd say it's districts that's got the Democrats scared shitless right now, not so much on the national stage as on the state one. Redrawing of districts is on the horizon, now that the census has occurred, and Democrats are no doubt afraid that Republican control over state legislatures might put many of those former "safe" districts back into play or out of their hands permanently.

38 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:19:21pm

re: #27 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The way things are going, I don't think any district is "safe" in November. The native's are restless and more than a few incumbents will find themselves in the soup for perceived "crimes against the people."

Hopefully, Jan Schakowsky is one of them. At the very least, the hammering the Dems are taking on corruption in Illinois has left her facing a real challenge this time. His name id Joel Pollack, BTW.

(Needed plug for my local GOP congressional candidate).

39 tradewind  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:19:22pm

re: #33 Killgore Trout
It just seems like such a rush to judgement. Then again, what can Congress actually do to Rangel? Tell him he's been a bad boy, send him to bed without supper, or, worst ( and not-gonna-happen) case, toss him out? It's the domestic equivalent of a UN resolution of condemnation.... and we all know how effective those are./

40 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:19:48pm

re: #36 HoosierHoops

Hiya Hoopster!
How's the hotel?
*waves*

41 Stonemason  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:19:48pm

re: #30 tradewind

Hope that piece of human debris Assange , sleeps well after reading this:
[Link: www.newsweek.com...]

he was on the Beeb earlier claiming that the US DOD had no right to say he was going to have blood on his hands because we had the blood of 20,000 civilians on ours...really, and of course the interviewer didn't do any serious follow up.
This guy is bad news, real bad. I wonder if all those over at KOS and DU who were crowing over the leaks are concerned for those named...

42 brookly red  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:21:17pm

re: #37 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I'd say it's districts that's got the Democrats scared shitless right now, not so much on the national stage as on the state one. Redrawing of districts is on the horizon, now that the census has occurred, and Democrats are no doubt afraid that Republican control over state legislatures might put many of those former "safe" districts back into play or out of their hands permanently.

well if a parties message is righteous in the eyes of the beholder districts should not matter.

43 Stonemason  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:21:27pm

re: #39 tradewind

It just seems like such a rush to judgement. Then again, what can Congress actually do to Rangel? Tell him he's been a bad boy, send him to bed without supper, or, worst ( and not-gonna-happen) case, toss him out? It's the domestic equivalent of a UN resolution of condemnation... and we all know how effective those are./

The charges, approved by a bipartisan panel that conducted the 21-month investigation


Rush to judgement?

44 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:23:59pm

re: #40 Floral Giraffe

Hiya Hoopster!
How's the hotel?
*waves*

Hi Cutie! There are about 20 of us here from Indiana working and looking for housing..
The plan is to go to Karaoke Saturday night at a local bar down the street.
Good Lawd..This is going to be fun...Hoosiers Singing in Oklahoma...
How are you?

45 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:25:45pm

re: #41 Stonemason

he was on the Beeb earlier claiming that the US DOD had no right to say he was going to have blood on his hands because we had the blood of 20,000 civilians on ours...really, and of course the interviewer didn't do any serious follow up.
This guy is bad news, real bad. I wonder if all those over at KOS and DU who were crowing over the leaks are concerned for those named...

There are many dissenting voices on Kos. You're not being unfair to point out there is support, but I'd hardly say the site is united in condoning this activity. In a diary titled "Free PFC Mannning" you'll find plenty of comments to the effect of:

Manning is not a "true patriot." He is an asshole that released documents of dubious value but included names of people -- human beings -- who are now at grave risk. If any one of them are murdered -- he is responsible. You and Jessalyn Raddick who defend every single solitary "whistleblower" make me sick. (HR me, I don't care). You sit safely at home without any risk to life and limb.

Manning was looking for his time in the media -- he's got it -- I have zero sympathy for him and zero respect for Wikileaks which values a scoop over consequences.

46 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:25:47pm

re: #44 HoosierHoops

Excellent! LOL! Karaoke! Have fun!

47 Stonemason  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:27:37pm

re: #45 JasonA

and there are many people at Tea Parties who are not racist...
think about it.

48 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:27:50pm

re: #41 Stonemason

he was on the Beeb earlier claiming that the US DOD had no right to say he was going to have blood on his hands because we had the blood of 20,000 civilians on ours...really, and of course the interviewer didn't do any serious follow up.
This guy is bad news, real bad. I wonder if all those over at KOS and DU who were crowing over the leaks are concerned for those named...

Pft, he's preachin' to the choir. A short walk through DU just now ran into exactly the same argument: "The US military has the blood of thousands of Afghanis on their hands, so who are they to talk?" Haven't done any real digging over at Kos, but considering one of the frontpage stories is about American deaths in Afghanistan this month and ends with a call to bring our soldiers home, I'm sure the sentiment isn't far off.

49 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:28:32pm

re: #45 JasonA

I retract my statement about Kos. Good work.

50 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:28:36pm

A Greek folk song:

"Yerakina."

Youtube Video

Translation by me, as always:

Yerakina went to the well
to draw cold water.

[chorus]
Drun-a drun-a-drun, drun drun drun
Said her bells.

She fell into the well,
and shouted aloud.

[chorus]

Everyone started to run,
And me too.

[chorus]

Yerakina, I will pull you out -
if you'll marry me.

51 Stonemason  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:28:59pm

re: #47 Stonemason

and there are many people at Tea Parties who are not racist...
think about it.

not that you, Jason, are one of the 'all tp'ers are racist' crowd, but there are many.

52 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:29:01pm

re: #41 Stonemason

he was on the Beeb earlier claiming that the US DOD had no right to say he was going to have blood on his hands because we had the blood of 20,000 civilians on ours...really, and of course the interviewer didn't do any serious follow up.
This guy is bad news, real bad. I wonder if all those over at KOS and DU who were crowing over the leaks are concerned for those named...

No, most of them won't think about it. Of those that do, 90% them on DU and 30% on the Kos will think the informers should be killed for collaboration. But most of the lefties who hailed the leaks won't go that far. For them: The American military got lambasted, and they got to posture in righteous indignation. Their intentions are pure, and they don't really think about the results for Afghans.

53 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:29:03pm

re: #47 Stonemason

and there are many people at Tea Parties who are not racist...
think about it.

Go through that diary. Most comments are condemning the leaks, not celebrating them.

54 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:29:14pm

Ahhh. The shrimp in pepper sauce hit the spot.

55 brookly red  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:29:16pm

re: #47 Stonemason

and there are many people at Tea Parties who are not racist...
think about it.

// Gasp!

56 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:30:36pm

re: #48 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Pft, he's preachin' to the choir. A short walk through DU just now ran into exactly the same argument: "The US military has the blood of thousands of Afghanis on their hands, so who are they to talk?" Haven't done any real digging over at Kos, but considering one of the frontpage stories is about American deaths in Afghanistan this month and ends with a call to bring our soldiers home, I'm sure the sentiment isn't far off.

Well, the Kos is much better than DU these days. They purged the worst of their haters, who are now at DU.

57 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:31:26pm

re: #47 Stonemason

and there are many people at Tea Parties who are not racist...
think about it.

But there are not many who are not misundereducated.

58 Stonemason  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:31:50pm

re: #53 JasonA

Go through that diary. Most comments are condemning the leaks, not celebrating them.

and the diaries I read the day of the leaks were the opposite.
I am not, in any way, saying that everyone at KOS or DU, or Huffpo, is an American Hating Commie. Just pointing out the fringe on a couple of the more popular left wing blogs.

59 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:32:44pm

re: #49 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I retract my statement about Kos. Good work.

Hey, sometimes you guys are spot on about Kos. It was pretty disgusting over there when the flotilla incident went down. I couldn't defend that place in good conscience back then.

60 Stonemason  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:32:50pm

re: #57 Cato the Elder

But there are not many who are not misundereducated.

which is why most Republicans do not attend the events

61 tradewind  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:36:06pm

re: #43 Stonemason
I didn't really think I needed the sarc tag after that one, but alas.

62 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:36:18pm

re: #56 Dark_Falcon

Well, the Kos is much better than DU these days. They purged the worst of their haters, who are now at DU.

If reading the comments in the thread Jason posted to is any indication, the sentiment seems to be "Fuck the military, but don't celebrate that Afghani informants are gonna die." They've been celebrating this release as the new "Pentagon Papers" and are absolutely thrilled that the military is made to look bad, but that those Afghani informants are likely to be hunted down and killed now by the Taliban and their supporters does not sit well with those who actually still possess consciences.

63 Stonemason  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:37:22pm

re: #61 tradewind

I didn't really think I needed the sarc tag after that one, but alas.

oops...sorry...

64 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:38:17pm

re: #60 Stonemason

which is why most Republicans do not attend the events

the vociferous fringe...the loudest, the news whores, they make the headlines...it's deceptive as to the power they wield, but I'd bet it's less than they get credit for

65 tradewind  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:39:09pm

re: #45 JasonA
Even a blind hog or a stopped watch....

66 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:39:40pm

re: #60 Stonemason

which is why most Republicans do not attend the events

So what are "most Republicans" doing these days? Planning to join Rush in Costa Rica?

67 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:40:07pm

re: #62 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I'm not seeing the "fuck the military" vibe.

68 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:41:07pm

So, any news from the big Florida Koran-burning today?

69 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:42:33pm

re: #66 Cato the Elder

So what are "most Republicans" doing these days? Planning to join Rush in Costa Rica?

who knows...it doesn't make any difference until they vote, and even then it will hardly make a difference in policy or direction we are going....a whole lot of ho hum, unless polls give you a boner

70 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:43:22pm

re: #62 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

If reading the comments in the thread Jason posted to is any indication, the sentiment seems to be "Fuck the military, but don't celebrate that Afghani informants are gonna die." They've been celebrating this release as the new "Pentagon Papers" and are absolutely thrilled that the military is made to look bad, but that those Afghani informants are likely to be hunted down and killed now by the Taliban and their supporters does not sit well with those who actually still possess consciences.

Well, that's less bad, but still very foolish. Sadly, the Kossacks have learned nothing from Vietnam and once again bad-mouth the military that defends them.

71 Stonemason  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:43:52pm

re: #68 Cato the Elder

So, any news from the big Florida Koran-burning today?

that's not till September 11...

72 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:47:57pm

re: #70 Dark_Falcon

Well, that's less bad, but still very foolish. Sadly, the Kossacks have learned nothing from Vietnam and once again bad-mouth the military that defends them.

Hell, maybe I spoke too soon yet again. I'm actually reading support of the Afghani War by Kossacks, arguing that we were right to knock over the Taliban.

This is heavy...

73 zephirus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:48:41pm

re: #70 Dark_Falcon

Well, that's less bad, but still very foolish. Sadly, the Kossacks have learned nothing from Vietnam and once again bad-mouth the military that defends them.

The folks at Kos are overall VERY supportive of the troops and there are many kossack vets who contribute to the site.

74 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:49:09pm

Lizards..I have to work all weekend...Sunday evening I'm going to visit the site of the Oklahoma bombing site and pay respects..
In a few minutes I'll post the the special edition of the Lizard prayer list on a Sabbath.. If you have any special request please let me know before we post.

75 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:49:47pm

re: #73 zephirus

The folks at Kos are overall VERY supportive of the troops and there are many kossack vets who contribute to the site.

I'm charmed beyond words

76 zephirus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:50:16pm

re: #72 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Hell, maybe I spoke too soon yet again. I'm actually reading support of the Afghani War by Kossacks, arguing that we were right to knock over the Taliban.

This is heavy...

There are many different viewpoints represented there, with the exception of wingnuttery.

77 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:51:28pm

re: #72 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Hell, maybe I spoke too soon yet again. I'm actually reading support of the Afghani War by Kossacks, arguing that we were right to knock over the Taliban.

This is heavy...

Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...
The dead rising from the grave!
Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!

78 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:51:36pm

re: #71 Stonemason

that's not till September 11...

Fine. Gives me and a bunch of other people time to get down there as counter-idiots.

I guess I was thinking about the "Bring Your Bichons Frises and your Shitty Badly-Sung Patriotic Songs to Piss Off the Mooslims Day", which I think was supposed to happen today.

Any news on that one?

79 zephirus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:52:53pm

re: #75 albusteve

Credit where credit is due, Mr. Nasty.

80 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:53:58pm

re: #79 zephirus

Credit where credit is due, Mr. Nasty.

do they support BOs timeline for a pullout?

81 Stonemason  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:56:03pm

re: #78 Cato the Elder

Your search - Bring Your Bichons Frises and your Shitty Badly-Sung Patriotic Songs to Piss Off the ... - did not match any documents.

hmmm, maybe it didn't happen.

82 zephirus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:56:46pm

re: #80 albusteve

I cannot say how that breaks down over there - my time allotment for lurking has been seriously curtailed lately due to work.

83 Stonemason  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:00:45pm

re: #81 Stonemason

hmmm, maybe it didn't happen.

All Google gives me is articles about the planning...

84 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:01:42pm

re: #82 zephirus

I cannot say how that breaks down over there - my time allotment for lurking has been seriously curtailed lately due to work.

yes, well...supportive of the troops is cool, whatever that means...but I'd be curious as to their level of support for the belayed 30k surge...next years pullout, and the total lack of direction BO has taken in his fight....his dream team fell in ruin, the twit with a keyboard just outed our allies, people like me are losing confidence, the Talis are beating the shit out of us at a billion a month....how do the Kos heads respond to that?

85 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:04:45pm

The Little green football prayer list
The Special Sabbath edition
On this day in History:
On July 30, 1945, the USS Indianapolis, which had just delivered key components of the Hiroshima atomic bomb to the Pacific island of Tinian, was torpedoed by a Japanese submarine. Only 316 out of 1,196 men survived the sinking and shark-infested waters.

Lord Almighty we pray this morning for the nation of Israel. Hold up their Navy and give them Strength and wisdom. We pray this morning that you grant grace to the men and women serving in the IDF. Hold your people in your strong arms Dear Lord and protect them forever.
We pray today for the Gulf Coast of America and for all those whose lives are affected by the oil spill. We pray for the environment that is being damaged.
We pray for Roi this morning…Because of the Oil spill he may be out of work.. Find him work we pray.
We pray for our Veterans today. [Link: www.drumhike.com...]
Thanos: Grant healing and strength to our dear friend
Obdicut: My friend Pam, who's ovarian cancer has returned. She's going into chemo again. And she believes in the power of prayer.
Dark_Falcon: His Mother had a stroke..She is getting better.. Please heal her Lord
Jadespring: Dear Lord bring healing to a Sister.. Bring grace and strength to the Family.
We pray for your tender mercies
Wlewisiii: If you would pray as appropriate to your beliefs for John Freuh, his step-mother, my sister Elisabeth & his father Rick, I'd appreciate it.
Dear Lord..We ask you this day you bring healing and grace to SFZ’s Father and Mother-in-law..
Help her in the Job search and finding her a new Career. .
We know your love brings healing and life.
Ausador: Parents
Irenicum: Lord heal this family and bring comfort to them..
Guanxi88: Best wishes and lizard mojo to my wife's best friend. her father committed suicide not two weeks after her mother succumbed to cancer.
Reine: Health and Family.. Lord we ask you grant Reine’s Daughter a Special blessing..Look after her and grant grace.
gregb - 4 year old son who suffered a head injury last Friday and spent the
weekend in the ICU with some lingering effects all week.Jadespring: Our prayers go out to your sister…May she be healed
Baseballmom57: My God grant grace and healing to her son…
lurking faith… prayers for an aunt
Beekiller: Sister has been diagnosed with Cancer…We pray for a speedy recovery
FBV: Add my friend Jeff. Recently diagnosed with ALS. His family will watch him fade and die over the next three to five years. Wife and two kids (kids are young adults).
Veggie Update: For the prayer list, my daughter's boyfriend is going to be moved out of intensive care and into rehab (we hope!) next week... beginning of a long journey.
I want to add thanksgiving that they will be able to do his rehab locally. There was talk that he was going to be moved three to five hours away from his family.
Prairiefire: Health for Family and friends
Mcspiff: if you could add my uncle to the list. He went in for surgery today and it didn't go so well. Extra organs had to come out, etc. Still just hearing bits and pieces now. But any prayers would be greatly appreciated.
Alouette’ Dear Father..His name in Hebrew is Pinhas ben Rivka. , and he is in congestive heart failure. He is 91 years old, and a WW2 Pacific vet.
Reloadingisnotahobby: Could add my parents?
They're in their 80's and slipping in to ALZ...Simultaneously
HoosierHoops: Bring peace and strength to Joe and his family
Thank you Lord..
Amen

86 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:08:21pm

murder?...Glenn Beck?
Tides

Youtube Video
87 zephirus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:11:03pm

re: #84 albusteve

Don't know. Only thing I am fairly certain of is widespread support for giving Bin Laden his comeuppance. What do you think we should do?

88 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:11:04pm

FNDT dead?
so soon?

89 zephirus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:13:04pm

re: #85 HoosierHoops

Lovely. I would pray with you if I could.

90 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:13:39pm

re: #87 zephirus

Don't know. Only thing I am fairly certain of is widespread support for giving Bin Laden his comeuppance. What do you think we should do?

put 100k troops on the ground to hunt down and kill the Taliban or pull out and lick our wounds...talking a 10 year commitment to break the chain, if that can even happen...Afghanistan is deep, deep shit...just wait

91 brookly red  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:14:13pm

re: #87 zephirus

Don't know. Only thing I am fairly certain of is widespread support for giving Bin Laden his comeuppance. What do you think we should do?

you could try looking for him where he is... drinking iced tea poolside in Iran.

92 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:15:29pm

re: #91 brookly red

you could try looking for him where he is... drinking iced tea poolside in Iran.

not gonna happen...BO is scared to death of Iran

93 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:16:34pm

re: #90 albusteve

put 100k troops on the ground to hunt down and kill the Taliban or pull out and lick our wounds...talking a 10 year commitment to break the chain, if that can even happen...Afghanistan is deep, deep shit...just wait

We couldn't support 100,000 troops there. The logistics would be impossible.

94 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:17:50pm

re: #93 Dark_Falcon

We couldn't support 100,000 troops there. The logistics would be impossible.

no shit....then what?
nickle and dime our way into some sort of retreat, while our troops die for nothing?

95 brookly red  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:19:15pm

re: #92 albusteve

not gonna happen...BO is scared to death of Iran

well that may not be so... BO may just go there but not for that reason. Besides BO has no fear, he has ideals bigger than himself.

96 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:20:56pm

re: #95 brookly red

well that may not be so... BO may just go there but not for that reason. Besides BO has no fear, he has ideals bigger than himself.

his foreign policy ideals are laughable...he has no clue

97 brookly red  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:21:42pm

re: #96 albusteve

his foreign policy ideals are laughable...he has no clue

he knows exactly what he is doing.

98 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:22:25pm

re: #97 brookly red

he knows exactly what he is doing.

that's the unfortunate part

99 brookly red  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:24:02pm

re: #98 albusteve

that's the unfortunate part

unfortunate? no, fortune favors the brave.

100 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:25:13pm

This is like watching tennis played using dead fish.

101 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:25:51pm

re: #93 Dark_Falcon

We couldn't support 100,000 troops there. The logistics would be impossible.

Why? Is it cost prohibitive? If that's the case, sell off a few federal parks to foreign investors and be done with it.

102 brookly red  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:26:38pm

re: #100 Obdicut

This is like watching tennis played using dead fish.

one man's dead fish is another man's sushi deluxe...

103 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:27:19pm

re: #100 Obdicut

This is like watching tennis played using dead fish.

not like the old days, eh?

104 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:27:50pm

A "gypsy" song, from lands whose dialects I do not speak.

Youtube Video

Let me not die, O Lord, before they sing to me.

105 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:27:59pm

re: #100 Obdicut

I do like that analogy!

106 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:28:11pm

re: #92 albusteve

not gonna happen...BO is scared to death of Iran

BO or BL........ I'm getting confusedre: #100 Obdicut

This is like watching tennis played using dead fish.

It takes a lot of skill to do that.

107 Henchman 26  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:28:57pm

I'm bored.

Still.

108 wee fury  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:30:23pm

re: #86 albusteve

How about a Strip Polka?

Youtube Video

Johnny Mercer
109 brookly red  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:30:23pm

re: #107 b_sharp

I'm bored.

Still.

try rubbing BBQ sauce on your self and running through a field of pit bulls :)

110 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:31:08pm

Well, the census gig ended tonight & I turned in my bag and id badge. Got a six pack of Schlitz "Classic '60s Formula" to celebrate as that seemed appropriate.

It was fun & I liked the extra income (helped pay for a nice American made Marlin 60 rifle, how's that for economic stimulus? ;p ) but OTOH, I remember why I didn't mind leaving government employment the last two times :O

111 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:31:10pm

re: #101 eclectic infidel

Why? Is it cost prohibitive? If that's the case, sell off a few federal parks to foreign investors and be done with it.

No. There's a limit on how much we can move through Afghanistan's limited road network, and the country has only one proper all-weather sealed airfield (Bagram). We physically cannot keep 100,000 American troops properly supplied there. We could in Iraq, but Iraq has a far better road network.

112 Henchman 26  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:31:25pm

re: #109 brookly red

try rubbing BBQ sauce on your self and running through a field of pit bulls :)

Should I also carry a dozen wieners?

113 brookly red  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:32:10pm

re: #112 b_sharp

Should I also carry a dozen wieners?

no a bucket of chicken...

114 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:32:32pm

re: #108 wee fury

How about a Strip Polka?

[Video]
Johnny Mercer

nobody cares about music vids anymore...overdone, and I, myself rarely open them...rightwing slapfest burnout

115 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:32:45pm

re: #110 wlewisiii

My tenure with the Census ended in Late June. I too liked the extra money but was glad when it was over. Very glad. :)

116 Henchman 26  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:32:47pm

re: #113 brookly red

no a bucket of chicken...

KFC sounds good.

117 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:33:13pm

re: #112 b_sharp

Should I also carry a dozen wieners?

No.....just carry Anthony Weiner.

118 brookly red  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:33:21pm

re: #116 b_sharp

KFC sounds good.

see you are less bored already...

119 zephirus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:34:02pm

re: #93 Dark_Falcon


Do we have the money for another 10 years? No. They'll bleed us dry. Recall the Soviet war in Afghanistan:
[Link: www.gwu.edu...]

120 Henchman 26  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:34:09pm

I'm going to play guitar for a bit.

BBL

121 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:34:46pm

Another "gypsy" song, for Lizards only.

Youtube Video
re: #107 b_sharp

I'm bored.

Still.

What real human can ever be bored in this world?

Have you no books? No idiotic friends to entertain you? What, am I not here to supply you with gypsy songs from Rajasthan to Greece to Hungary? Will I not write a mocking ditty for you alone if you only ask?

Go hide your head in shame.

122 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:34:48pm

re: #111 Dark_Falcon

No. There's a limit on how much we can move through Afghanistan's limited road network, and the country has only one proper all-weather sealed airfield (Bagram). We physically cannot keep 100,000 American troops properly supplied there. We could in Iraq, but Iraq has a far better road network.

We couldn't fly in the supplies needed on a regular basis? (I'm neither a civil engineer nor in the military, so I am really asking out of curiosity)

123 brookly red  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:34:49pm

re: #120 b_sharp

I'm going to play guitar for a bit.

BBL

but the pit bulls are waiting?

124 zephirus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:37:29pm

Time to write that report.

125 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:38:00pm

real gypsy music...

Youtube Video
126 wee fury  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:38:03pm

re: #114 albusteve

nobody cares about music vids anymore...overdone, and I, myself rarely open them...rightwing slapfest burnout

Well . . . . isn't that a bummer. Too bad. It was an enlightening video too. And, rather . . . . happy.
I'll just watch it again.

127 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:38:32pm

re: #122 eclectic infidel

We couldn't fly in the supplies needed on a regular basis? (I'm neither a civil engineer nor in the military, so I am really asking out of curiosity)

no, not even close

128 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:39:32pm

re: #126 wee fury

Well . . . isn't that a bummer. Too bad. It was an enlightening video too. And, rather . . . happy.
I'll just watch it again.

this is a rock and roll blog....
Johnny Mercer don't get it

129 brookly red  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:39:47pm

re: #122 eclectic infidel

We couldn't fly in the supplies needed on a regular basis? (I'm neither a civil engineer nor in the military, so I am really asking out of curiosity)

could would & should are are complicated words... we could do lots of things, we probably wouldn't, & if we should is what blogs are made of.

130 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:42:17pm

re: #107 b_sharp

I'm bored.

Still.

I'm in a hotel room in Oklahoma..You are bored?
All right..
Let's do dimensional analysis math problems or a Game of Chess playing all variants of the Ray Lopez...We could wrestle in the mud about politics or advanced Oracle socket calls..Sports? Family? Cars? Food? Love, Hate?
You aren't bored..You are running on empty.,
*wink*

131 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:42:18pm

re: #20 JasonA

According to Hannity today he "threw him under the bus." Of course if he had stuck up for him...

Is the President required to show blind loyalty to everyone he has ever met, or only those who actually voted for him? Never understood the bus meme.

132 wee fury  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:43:23pm

re: #128 albusteve

Ahh, I thought it was an all inclusive blog.

133 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:43:36pm

re: #27 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The way things are going, I don't think any district is "safe" in November. The native's are restless and more than a few incumbents will find themselves in the soup for perceived "crimes against the people."

There are areas that won't switch parties, regardless.

This is going to be an interesting November, though.

134 brookly red  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:44:25pm

re: #131 SanFranciscoZionist

Is the President required to show blind loyalty to everyone he has ever met, or only those who actually voted for him? Never understood the bus meme.

well actually he is required to show blind loyalty to the people he represents... why I can't do Dem. any more.

135 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:44:48pm

re: #31 tradewind

I'm mildly surprised that POTUS took the bold step of demanding a resignation, given the administration's recent history./

Recent history...with whom?

136 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:45:13pm

re: #132 wee fury

Ahh, I thought it was an all inclusive blog.

keep trying

137 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:45:52pm

re: #128 albusteve

this is a rock and roll blog...
Johnny Mercer don't get it

This song sums up my evening...... it ain't rock n roll.

Youtube Video
138 Gus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:46:19pm

Foghorn Leghorn Rant

Youtube Video
139 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:47:13pm

re: #127 albusteve

no, not even close

This article assumes all fuel is flown in at a cost of 400 dollars per gallon. It's wrong, but only because all fuel isn't flown. IIRC, an M1 gets about 2 gallons per mile.

[Link: thehill.com...]

140 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:47:55pm

re: #68 Cato the Elder

So, any news from the big Florida Koran-burning today?

Please tell me some 'preacher' caught on fire.

141 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:48:19pm

re: #119 zephirus

Do we have the money for another 10 years? No. They'll bleed us dry. Recall the Soviet war in Afghanistan:
[Link: www.gwu.edu...]

Yes, we can keep our troops there another ten years if we need to without a serious problem. Despite our problems, we have a far stronger economy than the Soviet Union did.

142 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:48:41pm

re: #73 zephirus

The folks at Kos are overall VERY supportive of the troops and there are many kossack vets who contribute to the site.

Is it enormously bigoted of me that I will never like people who are called Kossacks, no matter what they do?

143 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:48:44pm

re: #45 JasonA

whoa... I got dinged by Charles?

144 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:48:53pm

R U bored?

Watch this.

The Roma sing round the wedding tree.

Youtube Video

Warning: video exceed 10 minutes, may stress modern American attention span. Apply to your local herbalist for relief.

145 wee fury  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:49:01pm

re: #136 albusteve

keep trying

Too Much Time On My Hands

Youtube Video

Styx
146 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:49:40pm

re: #143 JasonA

whoa... I got dinged by Charles?

Rookie

147 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:49:59pm

re: #74 HoosierHoops

Lizards..I have to work all weekend...Sunday evening I'm going to visit the site of the Oklahoma bombing site and pay respects..
In a few minutes I'll post the the special edition of the Lizard prayer list on a Sabbath.. If you have any special request please let me know before we post.

For the mother of one of my father's church friends...a remarkable old lady, raised in the Philippines, survived the war, came to the States and raised a family. She's suffered a bad stroke, and is in need of healing, and comfort for her family.

148 brookly red  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:50:20pm

re: #143 JasonA

whoa... I got dinged by Charles?

it rolls down hill... I am sure there will be more to come.

149 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:50:44pm

re: #145 wee fury

Good reply & one of the Chicago kids better moments.

150 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:51:50pm

re: #81 Stonemason

hmmm, maybe it didn't happen.

Here you go.

California Council of Churches came out against it.

151 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:53:19pm

re: #134 brookly red

well actually he is required to show blind loyalty to the people he represents... why I can't do Dem. any more.

No, he's supposed to show loyalty.

Blind loyalty is never a good thing.

152 Gus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:53:25pm

Joe Jones

Youtube Video
153 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:53:27pm

re: #143 JasonA

whoa... I got dinged by Charles?

Good on you. I get noticed it'll probably be a down ding followed by the boot... :eek:

154 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:54:12pm

re: #142 SanFranciscoZionist

Is it enormously bigoted of me that I will never like people who are called Kossacks, no matter what they do?

I cringe when I order a black&Tan.

155 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:54:22pm

re: #153 wlewisiii

Good on you. I get noticed it'll probably be a down ding followed by the boot... :eek:

Warning us ahead of time? :P

156 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:54:57pm

re: #154 Decatur Deb

I cringe when I order a black&Tan.

Oh, but they are sooo delicious.

157 brookly red  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:55:13pm

re: #151 SanFranciscoZionist

No, he's supposed to show loyalty.

Blind loyalty is never a good thing.

unless you are the leader, in which case you show blind loyalty to your charge or they turn against you. Period.

158 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:55:23pm

Sounds like there were a dozen anti-Mosque protesters, and about 50 pro-Mosque counter-protesters.

159 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:55:59pm

Hey everybody I'm back from my normal Friday night three rounds of magic.

I thought you guys might find this interesting, have you ever wondered what English sounds like to people who can't speak it?

Youtube Video

This song is 99% gibberish, but it almost "sounds right" doesn't it?

160 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:56:04pm

Voices from the heartland:

"I just don’t think it’s right that because you don’t believe the same way to block someone’s ability to worship," supporter Anna Mae said.

161 William of Orange  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:56:21pm

WOHA!!! This is quite entertaining!!

And yet it's painfully true. The passionate session of Rep Anthony Wiener of New York about a health-care fund for first responders of 9-11 has him going ballistic. And rightfully so. The cowards of the Republican party that vote along the party lines instead of with their hearts and minds get the full ire of Wiener. It's repulsive to even think of not voting for the bill.

Fro C&L, Anthony Wiener tells the truth.

162 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:57:05pm

re: #160 SanFranciscoZionist

Voices from the heartland:

"I just don’t think it’s right that because you don’t believe the same way to block someone’s ability to worship," supporter Anna Mae said.

wow, somebody actually said that?

163 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:57:31pm

re: #159 jamesfirecat

Hey everybody I'm back from my normal Friday night three rounds of magic.

I thought you guys might find this interesting, have you ever wondered what English sounds like to people who can't speak it?

[Video]

This song is 99% gibberish, but it almost "sounds right" doesn't it?

It does. It sounds like English. I just can't understand a damn thing they're saying.

164 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:58:15pm

re: #162 albusteve

wow, somebody actually said that?

Yes. Her name is Anna Mae, and she was in Temecula today.

165 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:58:36pm

re: #161 William of Orange

There's a follow up to that.

Youtube Video
166 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:58:46pm

re: #163 SanFranciscoZionist

It does. It sounds like English. I just can't understand a damn thing they're saying.

Except for "oll raight".

167 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:59:04pm

Roma ("gypsy") verse from Spain.

Algunas noches
Algunas noches
como otras noches
me muero de envidia
viendo como acaricias
a tu perro.

Freely translated:

Some nights,
some nights,
like other nights
I wish I could wish
for the respect
you show
your dog.

168 brookly red  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:59:18pm

re: #161 William of Orange

WOHA!!! This is quite entertaining!!

And yet it's painfully true. The passionate session of Rep Anthony Wiener of New York about a health-care fund for first responders of 9-11 has him going ballistic. And rightfully so. The cowards of the Republican party that vote along the party lines instead of with their hearts and minds get the full ire of Wiener. It's repulsive to even think of not voting for the bill.

Fro C&L, Anthony Wiener tells the truth.

FU it was a cheap attempt to hide a sucky agenda behind a noble sounding bill. Proof the Rs don't have the votes to stop it so a bunch of D's had to defect... sorry truth hurts.

169 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:00:00pm

"the Earth is round!"
albusteve
NM, USA

170 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:00:08pm

re: #168 brookly red

What sucky agenda?

171 brookly red  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:01:01pm

re: #170 JasonA

What sucky agenda?

ask the Ds who voted against it

172 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:01:35pm

re: #169 albusteve

"the Earth is round!"
albusteve
NM, USA

But, as a history buff, I have to point out that people in the past actually thought it was flat in different times and places. Does that mean they were racist?

///

173 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:01:44pm

re: #171 brookly red

ask the Ds who voted against it

I am as equally displeased with them as I am the Republicans who voted against it.

174 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:02:06pm

Well, the issue of the little punk who's been face-masking The Kid seems to be settled. The coach has promised to keep track of the little punk.

But, now The Kid wants us adults to ignore it so that he can take care of it.

Yeah, right.

This ain't no case of mutual bullshit. Face-masking can seriously injure, and even kill.

175 wee fury  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:03:14pm

re: #174 MandyManners

What is that? I've never heard the term before.

176 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:03:30pm

re: #171 brookly red

ask the Ds who voted against it

So if D's vote against it sucks?

I guess you must think the War in Iraq was a sucky agenda then...

177 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:03:45pm

re: #174 MandyManners

Well, the issue of the little punk who's been face-masking The Kid seems to be settled. The coach has promised to keep track of the little punk.

But, now The Kid wants us adults to ignore it so that he can take care of it.

Yeah, right.

This ain't no case of mutual bullshit. Face-masking can seriously injure, and even kill.

Kids will want to handle such on their own. If there's a safety issue, though, that's not an option.

Glad the coach is on board. Make sure he's following up. (I'm sure you will, just saying.)

178 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:04:48pm

re: #161 William of Orange

Anthony Weiner is also a staunch supporter of Israel.

2 thumbs up.

179 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:04:50pm

[Link: nbcsports.msnbc.com...]

These people are fucking losers. What are they protesting?! Jeez. STUPID!

180 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:04:51pm

And now, to conclude our little tour of the colorful "gypsies" and their world, an Auschwitz song from an old lady gypsy.

Youtube Video

Still bored, anyone?

181 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:04:57pm

re: #174 MandyManners

Sounds good, haven't "seen" you in a while.
Hope all is well?

182 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:05:01pm

re: #174 MandyManners

Well, the issue of the little punk who's been face-masking The Kid seems to be settled. The coach has promised to keep track of the little punk.

But, now The Kid wants us adults to ignore it so that he can take care of it.

Yeah, right.

This ain't no case of mutual bullshit. Face-masking can seriously injure, and even kill.

Tell The Kid to whip the other kids ass. Problem solved.

183 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:05:12pm

Just a drive-by from wireless-less land. We now return to our timing of contractions. 'Nite, all.

184 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:05:13pm

re: #174 MandyManners

Well, the issue of the little punk who's been face-masking The Kid seems to be settled. The coach has promised to keep track of the little punk.

But, now The Kid wants us adults to ignore it so that he can take care of it.

Yeah, right.

This ain't no case of mutual bullshit. Face-masking can seriously injure, and even kill.

Hi Mandy! It's been awhile...Hope you and the Kid are well...
What is face masking?
Kind regards

185 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:05:46pm

re: #179 TheMatrix31

[Link: nbcsports.msnbc.com...]

These people are fucking losers. What are they protesting?! Jeez. STUPID!

What are they protesting?

Your stupid ass.

186 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:05:53pm

re: #184 HoosierHoops

Hi Mandy! It's been awhile...Hope you and the Kid are well...
What is face masking?
Kind regards

They grab the face mask and pull?

187 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:05:55pm

re: #172 SanFranciscoZionist

But, as a history buff, I have to point out that people in the past actually thought it was flat in different times and places. Does that mean they were racist?

///

a good a reason as any these days...but can we get serious?
should Billy the Kid cop amnesty?

188 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:05:55pm

re: #179 TheMatrix31

[Link: nbcsports.msnbc.com...]

These people are fucking losers. What are they protesting?! Jeez. STUPID!

Arizona, I think.

189 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:06:17pm

re: #184 HoosierHoops

Hi Mandy! It's been awhile...Hope you and the Kid are well...
What is face masking?
Kind regards

Grabbing the face mask in football.

190 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:07:10pm

re: #174 MandyManners

Well, the issue of the little punk who's been face-masking The Kid seems to be settled. The coach has promised to keep track of the little punk.

But, now The Kid wants us adults to ignore it so that he can take care of it.

Yeah, right.

This ain't no case of mutual bullshit. Face-masking can seriously injure, and even kill.

I'll coach the Kid...All Conference, guaranteed

191 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:07:15pm

re: #189 Cannadian Club Akbar

Grabbing the face mask in football.

Ohhhh NFL football.... just around the corner.

192 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:07:27pm

re: #187 albusteve

a good a reason as any these days...but can we get serious?
should Billy the Kid cop amnesty?

?

193 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:08:06pm

re: #188 SanFranciscoZionist

Obviously Arizona. But why? The fucking judge ruled against the meat of the bill. What else is there?

They should be protesting their garbage baseball team, not laws already ruled against.

194 Gus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:08:07pm

It's almost surreal after waking up from the dead a nap.

195 wee fury  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:08:14pm

re: #189 Cannadian Club Akbar
ahh. Football. I understand now. Thanks.

196 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:08:21pm

re: #189 Cannadian Club Akbar

Grabbing the face mask in football.

Ah, football. In the middle of summer. *shudders*

197 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:09:17pm

re: #175 wee fury

What is that? I've never heard the term before.

When you grab another player's face-mask.

198 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:09:21pm

Hoops, yo better learn OU Football. And quick!!

199 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:09:34pm

re: #193 TheMatrix31

Obviously Arizona. But why? The fucking judge ruled against the meat of the bill. What else is there?

They should be protesting their garbage baseball team, not laws already ruled against.

I... I find myself on Matrix' side here.

Mostly because they chose to protest with Mexican flags. That's no way to help their cause.

200 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:10:42pm

re: #177 SanFranciscoZionist

Kids will want to handle such on their own. If there's a safety issue, though, that's not an option.

Glad the coach is on board. Make sure he's following up. (I'm sure you will, just saying.)

If it ain't one fucking thing, it's another!

Thanks, SFZ!

201 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:10:51pm

re: #185 Cato the Elder

What are they protesting?

Your stupid ass.

lame

202 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:11:21pm

Has anyone else seen this?

The Strange Case Of The Mysterious Uber-Racist 'Tea Party Comix'

Image: tea-party-comics.jpg

Holee...

203 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:11:27pm

re: #180 Cato the Elder

And now, to conclude our little tour of the colorful "gypsies" and their world, an Auschwitz song from an old lady gypsy.


[Video]Still bored, anyone?

with that shit, yes

204 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:12:22pm

re: #179 TheMatrix31

[Link: nbcsports.msnbc.com...]

These people are fucking losers. What are they protesting?! Jeez. STUPID!

PC Cops hate you!!!

205 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:12:33pm

re: #196 JasonA

Ah, football. In the middle of summer. *shudders*

not a fan?....are you a commie?

206 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:12:49pm

re: #168 brookly red

FU it was a cheap attempt to hide a sucky agenda behind a noble sounding bill. Proof the Rs don't have the votes to stop it so a bunch of D's had to defect... sorry truth hurts.

That's what the Dems do: They take an idea that might command bi-partisan support, and then tack on a whole bunch of things that give money to their favorite causes. Then when Republicans oppose the now-wasteful bill, we get called "mean" and uncaring". It's horseshit.

207 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:12:55pm

re: #183 Decatur Deb

Just a drive-by from wireless-less land. We now return to our timing of contractions. 'Nite, all.

WHAT???

208 Gus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:12:59pm

Men carry Mexican flags run on field in protest.

No one fucking cares.

209 tradewind  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:13:07pm

re: #200 MandyManners
That's the kind of thing that brings out the real Mama Grizzly in us.
Glad the coach is on it.

210 brookly red  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:13:41pm

re: #202 JasonA

Has anyone else seen this?

The Strange Case Of The Mysterious Uber-Racist 'Tea Party Comix'

Image: tea-party-comics.jpg

Holee...

I call bull shit. & I don't do it often.

211 tradewind  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:14:21pm

re: #183 Decatur Deb
Someone's fixin' to drop!
:)

212 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:14:22pm

re: #208 Gus 802

Men carry Mexican flags run on field in protest.

No one fucking cares.

I'm gonna go to Mexico with no papers. All should be fine.

213 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:14:23pm

re: #193 TheMatrix31

Obviously Arizona. But why? The fucking judge ruled against the meat of the bill. What else is there?

They should be protesting their garbage baseball team, not laws already ruled against.

I thought you had stopped flashing your dingleberried ass and your tiny balls on this bog.

My bad.

214 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:14:26pm

re: #205 albusteve

not a fan?...are you a commie?

I never liked playing it in the summer. Too damn hot for that.

215 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:14:36pm

re: #208 Gus 802

Men carry Mexican flags run on field in protest.

No one fucking cares.

they are outraged flag runners...my heart bleeds for them

216 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:14:43pm

re: #212 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm gonna go to Mexico with no papers. All should be fine.

Hahhahaa

217 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:14:47pm

re: #184 HoosierHoops

Hi Mandy! It's been awhile...Hope you and the Kid are well...
What is face masking?
Kind regards

Face-masking is when someone grabs the face mask attached to a helmet.

218 William of Orange  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:14:49pm

re: #168 brookly red

FU it was a cheap attempt to hide a sucky agenda behind a noble sounding bill. Proof the Rs don't have the votes to stop it so a bunch of D's had to defect... sorry truth hurts.

What do you mean? Is it so difficult to understand to vote for a bill like this? Why let is gather dust on the floor where Republicans can staple other, really shitty, amendments onto it? If you read a little further below the fold at that link, you'll read a telling comment of one Republican coward on why the bill failed!

What we are doing tonight is a cruel hoax and a charade. Everyone knows this bill won't get the 2/3 majority required on the suspension calendar and everyone also knows that this bill would pass with a clear majority if the Democrat leadership would allow it to come to the floor under the regular procedures of the House.

The reason HR 847 is not being brought up under regular order is the majority party is petrified of having its members face a potential vote on illegal immigration.


Why would you poison a health-care bill for those heroes of 9-11 with immigration laws?? Because the party of NO wants it that way. And now they are playing politics over the backs of those suffering from after-effects of the attack on New York. An attack the Republicans milked for it's patriotism. And now the real patriots are left in the cold!

219 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:15:09pm

re: #204 MandyManners

PC Cops hate you!!!

Hello, Mandy! Glad to see tonight. Our schedules leave us posting here at different times of the day, it seems.

220 brookly red  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:15:17pm

re: #206 Dark_Falcon

That's what the Dems do: They take an idea that might command bi-partisan support, and then tack on a whole bunch of things that give money to their favorite causes. Then when Republicans oppose the now-wasteful bill, we get called "mean" and uncaring". It's horseshit.

yes we are hip to their jive... they don't do it fo the chilllldren

221 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:15:19pm

re: #214 JasonA

I never liked playing it in the summer. Too damn hot for that.

it's called practice

222 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:15:25pm

re: #189 Cannadian Club Akbar

Grabbing the face mask in football.

Really? Just a penalty in Football...I never played football in school...
Effen that..Those kids were strong.. I'd undercut you in the lane or let you land on my foot on a rebound if it got nasty...One time when we played Oakland Tech the guard came out and squeezed my arm before tip off and said I was a skinny white boy...
He wasn't happy at the end of the game...I effed him up I was so mad...
Highly motivated in Oakland.. LOL

223 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:15:39pm

re: #190 albusteve

I'll coach the Kid...All Conference, guaranteed

*smooch*

224 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:15:50pm

re: #213 Cato the Elder

When did I ever say that?

225 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:16:15pm

re: #206 Dark_Falcon

That's what the Dems do: They take an idea that might command bi-partisan support, and then tack on a whole bunch of things that give money to their favorite causes. Then when Republicans oppose the now-wasteful bill, we get called "mean" and uncaring". It's horseshit.

Falcon, nothing could be attached to this bill. That was the whole point.

226 Gus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:16:39pm

re: #215 albusteve

they are outraged flag runners...my heart bleeds for them

Yeah, and at least they're not beating anyone up like the occasional white trash methed out baseball fan of summer or two.

227 brookly red  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:16:42pm

re: #218 William of Orange

Why would you poison a health-care bill for those heroes of 9-11 with immigration laws?? Because the party of NO wants it that way. And now they are playing politics over the backs of those suffering from after-effects of the attack on New York. An attack the Republicans milked for it's patriotism. And now the real patriots are left in the cold!

bottom line dude the Rs did not have the vote to stop it... a bunch of Ds went that way too. Why?

228 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:17:25pm

re: #183 Decatur Deb

Just a drive-by from wireless-less land. We now return to our timing of contractions. 'Nite, all.

Best wishes!

229 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:17:42pm

re: #217 MandyManners

Face-masking is when someone grabs the face mask attached to a helmet.

I'm sorry..I thought he was playing baseball

230 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:18:15pm

re: #222 HoosierHoops

Really? Just a penalty in Football...I never played football in school...
Effen that..Those kids were strong.. I'd undercut you in the lane or let you land on my foot on a rebound if it got nasty...One time when we played Oakland Tech the guard came out and squeezed my arm before tip off and said I was a skinny white boy...
He wasn't happy at the end of the game...I effed him up I was so mad...
Highly motivated in Oakland.. LOL

You've got to hold your own here.

231 tradewind  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:18:18pm

re: #210 brookly red
I'd have to see the DNA.
Looks like not so much DC as BS.
Key phrase is ' no one seems to know much about them '.
I'm sure if they're really put out by some authorized TP or other source, we'll know all about them. Soon.

232 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:18:58pm

re: #226 Gus 802

Yeah, and at least they're not beating anyone up like the occasional white trash methed out baseball fan of summer or two.

or blowing up the dugouts with high explosives...or, or....or

233 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:19:01pm

re: #206 Dark_Falcon

That's what the Dems do: They take an idea that might command bi-partisan support, and then tack on a whole bunch of things that give money to their favorite causes. Then when Republicans oppose the now-wasteful bill, we get called "mean" and uncaring". It's horseshit.

Umm...

Didn't the Dem's take a procedural vote to try and get this thing passed with NO AMENDMENTS?

How can we have tacked on things giving money to our favorite causes if we were just voting on it, in and of itself?

234 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:19:05pm

re: #203 albusteve

with that shit, yes

I see you will not appreciate the contents of my iPod when I come to visit.

235 brookly red  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:20:00pm

I spar in the morning... later you all like that.

236 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:20:20pm

re: #234 Cato the Elder

I see you will not appreciate the contents of my iPod when I come to visit.

bring your first aid kit, and a spare cork screw

237 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:20:36pm

re: #225 JasonA

Falcon, nothing could be attached to this bill. That was the whole point.

Honestly, I wish that was how it worked with every bill: No amendments, no tack-ons, no riders. If you want something passed, put it forward as its own bill and let it either stand or fall based upon its merits. If it's a choice between increasing the amount of paperwork, versus seeing otherwise good bills dissolve into pissing matches over how an otherwise good bill is now "bad" because an amendment that one party or the other doesn't agree with, then I'll take the former. Paper is cheaper than lives.

238 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:22:45pm

Just when I think
I'm on a roll
Mandy shows up
to bowl her troll.

239 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:23:33pm

re: #25 BryanS

He's in a safe district, the vote will be preserved.

But, IMO, it'll hurt'em in more than one place.

And if not? It's fun watchin' the hypocrite squirm.

240 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:23:42pm

re: #227 brookly red

bottom line dude the Rs did not have the vote to stop it... a bunch of Ds went that way too. Why?

Four. Four Dems voted against it.

[Link: www.opencongress.org...]

241 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:24:23pm

re: #237 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Honestly, I wish that was how it worked with every bill: No amendments, no tack-ons, no riders. If you want something passed, put it forward as its own bill and let it either stand or fall based upon its merits. If it's a choice between increasing the amount of paperwork, versus seeing otherwise good bills dissolve into pissing matches over how an otherwise good bill is now "bad" because an amendment that one party or the other doesn't agree with, then I'll take the former. Paper is cheaper than lives.

not gonna happen...a congress of cowards

242 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:24:29pm

re: #174 MandyManners

Well, the issue of the little punk who's been face-masking The Kid seems to be settled. The coach has promised to keep track of the little punk.

But, now The Kid wants us adults to ignore it so that he can take care of it.

Yeah, right.

This ain't no case of mutual bullshit. Face-masking can seriously injure, and even kill.

People who pull on the catcher's mask rarely enjoy having their foot stomped on by him while he leans forward with all weight.

Just sayin'.

243 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:24:59pm

And now, some G rated comic relief.

244 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:25:05pm

re: #213 Cato the Elder

That was ugly, Cato. Downding.

245 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:25:27pm

re: #239 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

But, IMO, it'll hurt'em in more than one place.

And if not? It's fun watchin' the hypocrite squirm.

That's another thing to consider. The Dems ran in '06 and again in '08 against the "Culture of Corruption," promising the most transparent and ethical Congress, and to "drain the swamp." Charlie fighting these charges is gonna raise questions of just how long this shit's been goin' on and who's been covering for his ass up til now.

246 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:25:50pm

re: #240 JasonA

Four. Four Dems voted against it.

[Link: www.opencongress.org...]

Four dems who didn't make a difference since they needed 2/3rds to get it passed because they wanted no riders/add ons.

Which means effectively the Republicans Filibustered something in the lower house.... ohh joy....

247 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:26:18pm

re: #229 HoosierHoops

I'm sorry..I thought he was playing baseball

He was. (Well, he will next year, too.)

248 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:26:33pm

re: #244 Dark_Falcon

That was ugly, Cato. Downding.

Cato is a toothless hunchback...tell him I said so when you see him

249 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:26:43pm

re: #244 Dark_Falcon

And yet, it's exactly the type of utter shit that keeps me away from political blogs for long periods of time.

250 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:26:56pm

re: #244 Dark_Falcon

That was ugly, Cato. Downding.

I'll live.

Surprising, though, how many here suck up to Mandy, what with her torture avatar and all.

251 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:27:02pm

re: #238 Cato the Elder

What's with you tonight? It's like you're trying to start a flame war.

252 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:27:12pm

re: #235 brookly red

I spar in the morning... later you all like that.

TAKE CARE!

253 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:27:46pm

Cato, you have been downdinged, a warning so take heed

254 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:28:52pm

Welp, good night...or something. I have better things to do than to sit here and witness dicks be dicks for the sake of being dicks.

255 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:28:54pm

re: #253 albusteve

BEWARE the down=ding!
It could devalue your toaster purchasing power!
///
must I?

256 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:29:19pm

re: #230 eclectic infidel

You've got to hold your own here.


I love the Lizards here...Smart, Kind and friendly folks...
And it's so much fun when assholes show up thinking they are the shit...
If you are confident in your life it can be pretty fun on a blog..

257 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:29:29pm

re: #254 TheMatrix31

Gonna be a fun night at the bar! Catch you guys later

258 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:29:32pm

re: #254 TheMatrix31

Welp, good night...or something. I have better things to do than to sit here and witness dicks be dicks for the sake of being dicks.

But, don't you want to be a dick too?

259 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:29:56pm

re: #255 Floral Giraffe

BEWARE the down=ding!
It could devalue your toaster purchasing power!
///
must I?

I love Cato...he's indestructable

260 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:30:01pm

re: #253 albusteve

Cato, you have been downdinged, a warning so take heed

Warnings come
from Charles on high.
Not from you,
my little guy.

And downdings never bothered me when all the rest of you were hawt and panting for Sarah Fakehair Palin. Why would I start to heed them now?

261 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:30:50pm

re: #260 Cato the Elder

So... how much have you had to drink so far?

262 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:30:53pm

re: #257 TheMatrix31

Gonna be a fun night at the bar! Catch you guys later

Catch you later, cockwatcher.

263 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:31:08pm

re: #260 Cato the Elder

LOL!
Cato, I appreciate your uniqueness.

264 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:31:29pm

re: #255 Floral Giraffe

BEWARE the down=ding!
It could devalue your toaster purchasing power!
///
must I?

I've got a ways to go ....... but I'm looking for a neutral downding/upding footprint.

265 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:31:44pm

re: #257 TheMatrix31

Gonna be a fun night at the bar! Catch you guys later

Have fun, Matrix.

266 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:32:33pm

I'm a little guy....
fuck!

267 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:33:32pm

re: #263 Floral Giraffe

LOL!
Cato, I appreciate your uniqueness.

yes, Cato the Unique

268 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:33:50pm

re: #238 Cato the Elder

Just when I think
I'm on a roll
Mandy shows up
to bowl her troll.

The Prog Delegation appears.

269 wee fury  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:34:25pm

re: #248 albusteve

I now picture Cato looking like Ron Silver did in his role "In The Name of the Rose."

270 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:35:48pm

re: #262 goddamnedfrank

Catch you later, cockwatcher.

the inverted response syndrome...right there

271 wee fury  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:35:50pm

re: #269 wee fury

I now picture Cato looking like Ron Silver did in his role "In The Name of the Rose."

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

272 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:37:15pm

re: #268 MandyManners

The Prog Delegation appears.

Sometimes I guess there aren't enough Rocks
/Forrest Gump

Be well Mandy..And never change....
*smooch*

273 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:37:23pm

re: #269 wee fury

I now picture Cato looking like Ron Silver did in his role "In The Name of the Rose."

is that an insult?...only I can insult Cato

274 wee fury  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:39:03pm

re: #273 albusteve

is that an insult?...only I can insult Cato

see my #271 - an addendum.

275 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:39:34pm

re: #268 MandyManners

The Prog Delegation appears.

PROGS IZ MAHD FAH TAXIN' AN SPENDIN'!

276 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:40:15pm

re: #275 jamesfirecat

PROGS IZ MAHD FAH TAXIN' AN SPENDIN'!

so they can buy spell-checking software? ;)

277 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:40:41pm

re: #275 jamesfirecat

PROGS IZ MAHD FAH TAXIN' AN SPENDIN'!

brilliant...did you have help with that post?

278 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:40:43pm

Wasn't awful.

279 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:40:56pm

re: #268 MandyManners

The Prog Delegation appears.

Your avatar precedes you into hell.

280 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:41:11pm

re: #268 MandyManners

The Prog Delegation appears.

That isn't nice either, Mandy. And Cato's not a "prog", except in the deranged mind of Dorkus.

281 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:42:54pm

Cato...
a prog?
Lolyeahright.

282 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:45:23pm

Hey Steve, check this out;
'Way out of whack' weather produces record hailstone
Image: story.record.hail.nws.jpg

283 Gus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:47:42pm

Geez, I go to the store to get a few snacks and some cigs only to come back and see talk of cock fencing.

/

284 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:47:56pm

re: #282 Varek Raith

Hey Steve, check this out;
'Way out of whack' weather produces record hailstone
Image: story.record.hail.nws.jpg

yikes!...eight inchers?

285 Kragar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:50:01pm

Oregon Tea Party surrenders to Basement Dwelling Anonymous

For reasons unknown, although probably because it sounds cool and ominous, the conservative political protest group began using the slogan, "We are Anonymous. We are Legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us." According to the Daily Kos, the slogan first appeared on a sign at at Tea Party rally and before long it turned up on official Oregon Tea Party bumper stickers.

Yesterday, thanks to a Reddit user whose parents belong to the group, the Tea Party's use of the slogan was revealed to the world at large. From that point it was only a matter of time until 4Chan itself found out and soon, as the saying goes, the internet was there.

The Oregon Tea Party Facebook page was quickly subjected to an onslaught of image macros, desus, flames and herp derps, along with at least one message explaining why it was being smacked around. Within a couple of hours, the Tea Party had run up the white flag with a message reading, "Anonymous: We appreciate your resources and admire your tactics. You have taught us more than you know. As requested, we are no longer using the 'anonymous' quote."

The Oregon Tea Party's Facebook page is now gone completely and its Ning page, where the use of the quote was confirmed as legitimate, has been limited to members-only access. The campaign was clearly a win and entertaining as always, but does anyone else find it disturbing that the Tea Party, which bills itself as a legitimate voice of conservative political dissent in the United States, "admires" the tactics of Anonymous?

286 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:50:40pm

re: #284 albusteve

yikes!...eight inchers?

That's what she said

287 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:51:25pm

Mandy Manners,
late at night,
can't put up all the fight
she shows in the AM.
Lay off her, say the symps.
OK. I'm going for spayam.
Good night, gals and gimps!

288 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:51:35pm

G'night Knuckleheads.

289 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:51:46pm

re: #268 MandyManners

The Prog Delegation appears.

Admit it Mandy, you love us, we complete you, you're a progaholic.

Hugs.

290 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:51:53pm

Good evening ladies and germs...is everybody happy?

291 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:52:21pm

re: #285 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Oregon Tea Party surrenders to Basement Dwelling Anonymous

Lol.
Desu.

292 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:52:34pm

re: #285 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Oregon Tea Party surrenders to Basement Dwelling Anonymous

Hey I admire the restraint with which they're now currently going at the Co$ by means of completely legal protests for the most part....

293 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:52:38pm

on that note I"ll leave with this...
y'all can go to hell, I'm going to Texas...

I'll leave all the cock fencers to yourselves...nice bunch

294 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:53:23pm

re: #293 albusteve

on that note I"ll leave with this...
y'all can go to hell, I'm going to Texas...

I'll leave all the cock fencers to yourselves...nice bunch

Night, Steve.

295 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:53:59pm

re: #292 jamesfirecat

Hey I admire the restraint with which they're now currently going at the Co$ by means of completely legal protests for the most part...

Image: 9551.jpg

296 Gus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:54:55pm

Hmm. I see Al Gore won't be charged. Must be a major bummer in major bummer land.

297 Kragar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:55:22pm

re: #291 Varek Raith

Lol.
Desu.

Note that the Tea Party admires the tactics used against them in this situtation.

298 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:56:39pm

re: #297 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Note that the Tea Party admires the tactics used against them in this situtation.

They had no clue who they were up against.
Heh.

299 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:57:15pm

re: #297 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Note that the Tea Party admires the tactics used against them in this situtation.


Isn't that the like congratulating a mugger on what good follow through he had with the baseball bat?

300 freetoken  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:57:21pm

re: #296 Gus 802

Hmm. I see Al Gore won't be charged. Must be a major bummer in major bummer land.

You may not know this, but you're on topic!

301 Kragar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:57:44pm

re: #298 Varek Raith

They had no clue who they were up against.
Heh.

Pretty much sums them up.

302 Gus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:57:52pm

It is also of my opinion that Nicolas Sarkozy reminds me of Inspector Clouseau sometimes.

(/)

303 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:59:00pm

re: #279 Cato the Elder

Your avatar precedes you into hell.

*swat*

304 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:00:24pm

re: #302 Gus 802

It is also of my opinion that Nicolas Sarkozy reminds me of Inspector Clouseau sometimes.

(/)

How can a blind man be a look out?

How can an idiot be a police officer, answer me that?

Well it's very simple all one has to do is enlist...

305 Gus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:00:35pm

re: #300 freetoken

You may not know this, but you're on topic!

Does he know General Disarray?

/

306 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:01:16pm

re: #296 Gus 802

Hmm. I see Al Gore won't be charged. Must be a major bummer in major bummer land.

Tipper must be relieved.

307 Gus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:01:50pm

re: #306 Spare O'Lake

Tipper must be relieved.

Mo money?

308 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:04:30pm

Ok. Got a couple of Season 6 episodes of The Shield to watch. Goodnight.

309 Gus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:05:59pm

Why does the BBC pronounce all South American countries with a British accent except for Chile? Seriously. This is important.

/

310 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:06:41pm

re: #287 Cato the Elder

Mandy Manners,
late at night,
can't put up all the fight
she shows in the AM.
Lay off her, say the symps.
OK. I'm going for spayam.
Good night, gals and gimps!

Come on Cato..Be nice please
Mandy is good people and a long time lizard...It doesn't do you well to insult her...She has a good heart and held her own views on the world..
She doesn't demand respect for her views..We all have different views here.
She has earned her version of life...I'm pretty sure she has never insulted you...please Cato

311 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:09:24pm

re: #293 albusteve

on that note I"ll leave with this...
y'all can go to hell, I'm going to Texas...

I'll leave all the cock fencers to yourselves...nice bunch

It was Davey Crockett who said that, but it didn't work out very well for him.

312 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:13:46pm

re: #285 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Oregon Tea Party surrenders to Basement Dwelling Anonymous

Wonder if the genius who decided that takin' up Anonymous' slogan for the Tea Party has since been sacked?

313 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:15:00pm

re: #310 HoosierHoops

Come on Cato..Be nice please
Mandy is good people and a long time lizard...It doesn't do you well to insult her...She has a good heart and held her own views on the world..
She doesn't demand respect for her views..We all have different views here.
She has earned her version of life...I'm pretty sure she has never insulted you...please Cato

Fine.

Fuck her torture avatar, though.

314 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:15:58pm

re: #311 Dark_Falcon

It was Davey Crockett who said that, but it didn't work out very well for him.

At least he died with his gun in his hand, resisting to the end.

Davy, Davy Crockett,
King of the wild frontier!

315 Henchman 26  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:16:36pm

re: #172 SanFranciscoZionist

But, as a history buff, I have to point out that people in the past actually thought it was flat in different times and places. Does that mean they were racist?

///

Dear lady, is it really safe to channel a dead king?

316 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:17:03pm

re: #310 HoosierHoops

Says the man, going to sing Karaoke, in Oklahoma!
*salud*!

317 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:17:03pm

re: #313 Cato the Elder

Fine.

Fuck her torture avatar, though.

What? What avatar?

318 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:17:25pm

re: #313 Cato the Elder

Fuck her torture avatar,

Not even with your dick!

319 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:18:52pm

re: #317 HoosierHoops

What? What avatar?

You've forgotten how to click?

320 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:19:14pm

Test...

321 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:20:00pm

re: #320 Varek Raith

Test...

Damnit, I didn't study! Uhm, I'm not feelin' too good. *cough, cough*

/

322 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:20:11pm

re: #320 Varek Raith

Fail...
*smooch*

323 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:20:26pm

re: #317 HoosierHoops

What? What avatar?

Oh no, not another avatar circle-jerkle!
Good night all.

324 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:22:14pm

Good night,all.

325 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:22:55pm

Well, I can see I've flown into restricted airspace.

Nothing to do by fly back or fly forwards.

I choose forwards.

326 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:25:23pm

re: #313 Cato the Elder

Fine.

Fuck her torture avatar, though.

“Humanism was not wrong in thinking that truth, beauty, liberty, and equality are of infinite value, but in thinking that man can get them for himself without grace.”

-Simone Weil (has a posse)

327 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:26:13pm

re: #316 Floral Giraffe

Says the man, going to sing Karaoke, in Oklahoma!
*salud*!

LOL
You know I love to sing..I'm not shy..Never met a stranger...
When they sent me to Catholic School those nuns made us sing in Key...
If you didn't you got whacked with a ruler.. People say I can sing..I can't..
But by God I'll sing in key..Cause I remember the whacks..
If the song is in the key of A I promise you i will be in the key of A
Dang nuns...I hated Sister Maxiima..She was cruel! *wink*

328 Max  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:26:20pm

David Cameron joins Ron Paul, claiming that the 'Evol Joos made Gaza a prison camp.'

329 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:27:04pm

re: #325 Cato the Elder

Well, I can see I've flown into restricted airspace.

Nothing to do by fly back or fly forwards.

I choose forwards.

Bad choice. The airspace is defended by an AEGIS Ashore system. Two SM-2 missiles have been launched and are homing. Good luck.

/Entirely kidding.

330 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:27:04pm

Well I see the bars are packed and the decks are stacked. It seems seems happy hour passed long ago. So here's a hearty "fuck you" to anyone in a pissed off mood.

Aside from that, how's everyone doin'?

331 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:28:02pm

re: #330 Irenicum

Well I see the bars are packed and the decks are stacked. It seems seems happy hour passed long ago. So here's a hearty "fuck you" to anyone in a pissed off mood.

Aside from that, how's everyone doin'?

Image: STOP_POSTING.gif

Screw you too, buddy!
/
:)

332 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:28:26pm

re: #319 Cato the Elder

You've forgotten how to click?

I never saw what you speak of Cato...

333 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:28:32pm

I'm fading badly. Sorry I can't stay, but I need to turn in. Goodnight, all.

334 Henchman Ghazi-808  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:28:57pm

I always seem to show up at just the right time.

335 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:29:06pm

re: #331 Varek Raith

How dare you say that!!!
/

336 Gus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:29:10pm

re: #330 Irenicum

Well I see the bars are packed and the decks are stacked. It seems seems happy hour passed long ago. So here's a hearty "fuck you" to anyone in a pissed off mood.

Aside from that, how's everyone doin'?

I started up the doomsday machine. Within 24 hours all human life on Earth will cease to exist except for me and my Harem.

337 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:30:29pm

re: #334 BigPapa

I always seem to show up at just the right time.

Grab me a Kona Coffee and shut the hell up
*wink*
Hi you

338 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:30:47pm

re: #336 Gus 802

Oh, thank God. Your timing couldn't be more perfect. Except for the harem part. Seriously jealous.

339 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:30:48pm

re: #329 Dark_Falcon

Bad choice. The airspace is defended by an AEGIS Ashore system. Two SM-2 missiles have been launched and are homing. Good luck.

/Entirely kidding.

I've provided a herd of psygoats to billy up the defenses.

340 windsagio  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:30:54pm

What's the fuss, tell me what's a happening?

341 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:31:22pm

re: #340 windsagio

What's the fuss, tell me what's a happening?

Desu.

342 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:31:27pm

re: #326 goddamnedfrank

“Humanism was not wrong in thinking that truth, beauty, liberty, and equality are of infinite value, but in thinking that man can get them for himself without grace.”

-Simone Weil (has a posse)

Simone Weil - please continue to propagate her name.

"Grace"?

Well, my oldest friend fell madly in love with a grrrl named Faith when he was a young 'tard in college.

Faith led him a merry dance round Robin Hood's barn, and then dumped him for another guy who had plenty of coke.

Not long after, my friend met a grrrl named Grace, to whom he has been married these many decades. Their youngest child is about to start college, majoring in dance.

He told me once, shortly after the usual loser's drama of getting dropped, how he lost Faith and found Grace.

Sign of the times: I had to point out to him the theological implications.

Honi soit qui mal y pense.

343 Gus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:31:50pm

re: #338 Irenicum

Oh, thank God. Your timing couldn't be more perfect. Except for the harem part. Seriously jealous.

Yeah, I figured tonight would be the night since I just finished watching the last of Three's Company.

/

344 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:32:28pm

re: #332 HoosierHoops

I never saw what you speak of Cato...

I spoke of Mandy and her blatant torture avatar.

Good people. Spit.

345 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:32:28pm

re: #328 Max D. Reinhardt

David Cameron joins Ron Paul, claiming that the 'Evol Joos made Gaza a prison camp.'

A British PM whose coalition is in very real danger of collapsing, with many doubting he has the least bit of ability to lead, speaking to an audience of Turkish businessmen about how Israel is wrong to be blockading Gaza and calls for them to apologize for the Mavi Marmara.

Yawn.

346 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:32:35pm

re: #332 HoosierHoops

I never saw what you speak of Cato...

Mandy's avatar is a picture of Khalid Sheik Mohammad. Paired with her tagline "Water, water, every where, And all the boards did shrink." (which is a quote from Samuel Taylor Coleridge's Rime of the Ancient Mariner, it is an endorsement of the waterboarding the terrorist slimeball was subjected to.

And now I really must got to bed.

347 Henchman Ghazi-808  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:33:35pm

re: #337 HoosierHoops

Grab me a Kona Coffee and shut the hell up
*wink*
Hi you

Can't shut up, I have a bad cough. Scotch is mo bettah!

348 Henchman 26  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:34:03pm

I'm bored, so I go play guitar for a while and when I come back you people are having fun.

It's a conspiracy.

349 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:34:11pm

re: #345 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

A British PM whose coalition is in very real danger of collapsing,

Is it really that bad? Wasn't the election just a few months ago?

350 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:34:43pm

re: #348 b_sharp

I'm bored, so I go play guitar for a while and when I come back you people are having fun.

It's a conspiracy.

Pipe down, everyone! He's back!

/

351 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:34:56pm

re: #346 Dark_Falcon

Mandy's avatar is a picture of Khalid Sheik Mohammad. Paired with her tagline "Water, water, every where, And all the boards did shrink." (which is a quote from Samuel Taylor Coleridge's Rime of the Ancient Mariner, it is an endorsement of the waterboarding the terrorist slimeball was subjected to.

And now I really must got to bed.

Wow, that really is poor taste if you want this over sensative basement dwelling catnip smoking liberals opinion...

352 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:34:56pm

re: #346 Dark_Falcon

Wow. I never made that connection.

That's fucked up.

353 Gus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:35:04pm

Oooo! Ahhhh! From Oshkosh 2010.

Image: post-488-1280463823.jpg

354 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:36:12pm

re: #348 b_sharp

I'm bored, so I go play guitar for a while and when I come back you people are having fun.

It's a conspiracy.

What did you play?

355 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:36:15pm

re: #353 Gus 802

Oooo! Ahhh! From Oshkosh 2010.

Image: post-488-1280463823.jpg

Skyhawk?

356 Henchman 26  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:36:47pm

re: #350 JasonA

Pipe down, everyone! He's back!

/

Jason, I can see you. The couch doesn't hide the top of your head.

I know fun has been had.

357 Gus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:37:26pm

re: #355 JasonA

Skyhawk?

Yeah. TA-4J. $8500 for training and a ride.

358 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:37:43pm

re: #346 Dark_Falcon

Mandy's avatar is a picture of Khalid Sheik Mohammad. Paired with her tagline "Water, water, every where, And all the boards did shrink." (which is a quote from Samuel Taylor Coleridge's Rime of the Ancient Mariner, it is an endorsement of the waterboarding the terrorist slimeball was subjected to.

And now I really must got to bed.

And torture practiced upon a terrorist slimeball is still torture.

QED.

359 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:38:01pm

re: #357 Gus 802

Yeah. TA-4J. $8500 for training and a ride.

I once saw a MiG 23 on E-bay for 23000 bucks...

360 Henchman 26  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:38:57pm

re: #354 HoosierHoops

What did you play?

I just went into feel mode and played whatever my fingers wanted.

361 Gus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:38:58pm

re: #359 Varek Raith

I once saw a MiG 23 on E-bay for 23000 bucks...

Assembly required. Might have been a deal.

362 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:39:26pm

re: #357 Gus 802

Yeah. TA-4J. $8500 for training and a ride.

Do I at least get to pretend like I'm Jester?

363 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:39:28pm

re: #344 Cato the Elder

I agree on that point Cato. Though your vitriol also goes a bit too far. But hey, I don't go for either of your attitudinal tendencies. They both go too far.

364 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:39:36pm

re: #349 JasonA

Is it really that bad? Wasn't the election just a few months ago?

Apparently the coalition that's put him in the PM's seat is beginning to come apart at the seams, with neither side overly thrilled with the marriage of convenience. He's been trying to patch it back up and assure them that it's producing, but it's also keeping him in campaign mode.

365 windsagio  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:39:45pm

re: #358 Cato the Elder

Saw someone else with the same image (or a close one) as an avatar but not the poem, really hard not to be nasty to them sometimes.

366 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:39:53pm

re: #358 Cato the Elder

And torture practiced upon a terrorist slimeball is still torture.

QED.

I don't believe in torture.. Period

367 Gus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:40:31pm

re: #357 Gus 802

Yeah. TA-4J. $8500 for training and a ride.

Oops. $7800. Here's the newsletter:

[Link: collingsfoundation.org...]

12,500 for the Phantom.

368 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:40:36pm

re: #336 Gus 802

I started up the doomsday machine. Within 24 hours all human life on Earth will cease to exist except for me and my Harem.

Ooh, am I in that heram?
inquiring minds want to know!
*smooch*

369 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:40:53pm

re: #361 Gus 802

Assembly required. Might have been a deal.

Shipped from...the Ukraine, I want to say...
It would look nice in the front yard.
"IN CAPITALIST AMERICA, YOU OWN RUSSIAN JET"

370 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:41:00pm

I had an English girlfriend once.
She called me a dunce.

I had a Polish girlfriend twice.
She called the police.

I had a French girlfriend three times.
She gave me the 'blimes.

I had a German girlfriend quadruple.
But I was only the duple.

371 windsagio  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:41:21pm

re: #328 Max D. Reinhardt

David Cameron joins Ron Paul, claiming that the 'Evol Joos made Gaza a prison camp.'

Missed the part where he called them 'evil Joos'.

372 Gus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:41:35pm

re: #368 Floral Giraffe

Ooh, am I in that heram?
inquiring minds want to know!
*smooch*

Hi FG! ;) Sure thing! Call in advance though. There's only 23 hours and 50 minutes left.

373 Henchman 26  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:42:10pm

re: #368 Floral Giraffe

Ooh, am I in that heram?
inquiring minds want to know!
*smooch*

I wouldn't worry too much F_G, Gus's doomsday machine sucks.

374 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:42:27pm

Hey man, the world can't come to an end until at least November. I want time for Fallout: New Vegas to come out and for me to beat it.

375 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:43:23pm

re: #374 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Hey man, the world can't come to an end until at least November. I want time for Fallout: New Vegas to come out and for me to beat it.

Which reminds me; I need to scrape up some cash for a 360 and Reach before mis-September.

376 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:43:35pm

re: #370 Cato the Elder

Need I say I was always a willing partner?

377 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:43:39pm

re: #352 Obdicut

Wow. I never made that connection.

That's fucked up.

Considering the avatar she was forced to give up, is it really a surprise? I may not always like his methods, but Cato is right about this. This avatar is, simply, more evil than the previous one. (3 - 2 - 1 Walter complaining about my hyperbola... )

378 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:43:42pm

re: #375 JasonA

Which reminds me; I need to scrape up some cash for a 360 and Reach before mid-September.

pimf

379 Henchman 26  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:43:47pm

G'night everyone.

Remember, the scales of justice are not as lizardy as ours.

380 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:44:20pm

re: #375 JasonA

Which reminds me; I need to scrape up some cash for a 360 and Reach before mis-September.

Miss September is a skank.

381 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:44:24pm

re: #375 JasonA

Which reminds me; I need to scrape up some cash for a 360 and Reach before mis-September.

Not gonna get it for the PC?

382 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:44:25pm

re: #376 Cato the Elder

Need I say I was always a willing partner?

You're talking to yourself again.

383 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:44:49pm

re: #381 Varek Raith

Not gonna get it for the PC?

Halo: Reach? Not for the PC.

384 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:45:19pm

re: #383 JasonA

Halo: Reach? Not for the PC.

Oh, is that what "Reach" is...
Not a Halo fan.
:)

385 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:45:35pm

re: #358 Cato the Elder

And torture practiced upon a terrorist slimeball is still torture.

QED.

I was one of the lizards who objected to her previous avatar b/c I have known Muslims in the SF Bay Area who are good people who I respect. That said, in retrospect, Mandy should use whatever avatar she wants, public opinion on LGF be damned. So long as King Lizard objects not, so shall it be.

386 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:45:56pm

re: #382 Walter L. Newton

You're talking to yourself again.

No, Walter. You know and I know I was talking to you.

387 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:46:23pm

re: #384 Varek Raith

Oh, is that what "Reach" is...
Not a Halo fan.
:)

Apologies, but I must turn my back to you now.

388 windsagio  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:46:50pm

re: #385 eclectic infidel

Didn't wanna get into the Mandy thing again, but that's crap.

We have a right to object to something we find offensive.

She doesn't have to change it, but we sure as hell have a right to go after it.

389 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:46:51pm

re: #386 Cato the Elder

No, Walter. You know and I know I was talking to you.

You couldn't have been talking to me, I just got here.

390 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:46:54pm

re: #387 JasonA

Apologies, but I must turn my back to you now.

Heh, I don't like FPSs in general...
:P

391 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:46:57pm

re: #385 eclectic infidel

I was one of the lizards who objected to her previous avatar b/c I have known Muslims in the SF Bay Area who are good people who I respect. That said, in retrospect, Mandy should use whatever avatar she wants, public opinion on LGF be damned. So long as King Lizard objects not, so shall it be.

And as long as King Lizard does not object to my objection, I shall object.

392 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:47:21pm

re: #387 JasonA

Apologies, but I must turn my back to you now.

Careful, it can be...perilous to turn ones back upon a Sith.

393 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:47:35pm

re: #389 Walter L. Newton

You couldn't have been talking to me, I just got here.

I often talk to absent friends.

394 windsagio  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:47:46pm

re: #390 Varek Raith

Pff, MK9 in February, MvC3 in April.

Thems' real mans games!

395 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:48:37pm

re: #394 windsagio

Pff, MK9 in February, MvC3 in April.

Thems' real mans games!

FINISH HIM!

396 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:49:04pm

re: #384 Varek Raith

How can you not be into this???

Youtube Video
Youtube Video
397 windsagio  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:49:38pm

re: #395 Varek Raith

FINISH HIM!

Youtube Video

MK 9

398 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:49:50pm

re: #391 Cato the Elder

And as long as King Lizard does not object to my objection, I shall object.

I find your wordplay most objectionable this late at night.

399 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:49:50pm

re: #396 JasonA

How can you not be into this???


[Video]

I dunno.
I liked Tribes 2, though...

400 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:50:31pm

As an American I believe that to accept torture is to betray an essential part of who we are. But to also dehumanize anyone who disagrees with me, even those who advocate torture, is also to betray a basic American trait. I can disagree, but I must acknowledge the humanity of those who disagree with me. For me, as a Christian, this is essential to my identity. It's also essential to my American identity. We are all human, every one of us. No matter our views.

401 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:50:39pm

re: #398 jamesfirecat

I find your wordplay most objectionable this late at night.

Are you even allow up this late at night?

402 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:51:05pm

Bah, speak not of these foolish games. I wait for a truly godly game...

Duke Nukem Forever.

///

403 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:51:08pm

re: #374 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Hey man, the world can't come to an end until at least November. I want time for Fallout: New Vegas to come out and for me to beat it.

jajaja.... And so is Civ5, Diablo and I think WoW has a new add-on.

404 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:51:27pm

re: #397 windsagio

[Video]MK 9

YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO UPPERCUT HIM AFTER YOU USE THE "GET OVER HERE"!!!
/No0b.
:)

405 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:51:27pm

re: #402 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Bah, speak not of these foolish games. I wait for a truly godly game...

Duke Nukem Forever.

///

Keep waitin'...

406 Kragar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:51:29pm

Pfff, Halo? How many points can you field on the table with it?

407 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:51:55pm

re: #402 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Bah, speak not of these foolish games. I wait for a truly godly game...

Duke Nukem Forever.

///

Only after I get Elite IV.

408 Kragar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:52:02pm

re: #402 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Bah, speak not of these foolish games. I wait for a truly godly game...

Duke Nukem Forever.

///

And Battletoads 2

409 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:52:41pm

re: #400 Irenicum

We are all human, every one of us. No matter our views.

True that, but everyone has a limit.

410 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:53:05pm

re: #406 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Pfff, Halo? How many points can you field on the table with it?

Bah. That there's a rich man's game you're talking about. I've seen guys invest ungodly amounts of time just into those damn tables you mention.

411 windsagio  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:54:14pm

re: #407 Varek Raith

Damn kids, I played Elite without filled-in polygons and I liked it!

412 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:54:16pm

re: #403 marjoriemoon

jajaja... And so is Civ5, Diablo and I think WoW has a new add-on.

Civ5 I am desperately wanting, Diablo I'm cautious about in the wake of some of the lackluster reviews I'm hearin' about StarCraft II, and WoW...BAH!

413 Kragar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:54:37pm

re: #410 JasonA

Bah. That there's a rich man's game you're talking about. I've seen guys invest ungodly amounts of time just into those damn tables you mention.

You are no true son of Cadia, heretic.

414 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:55:01pm

Halo is kind of funny to me. My son (8 years old) doesn't like to play the video game as it's too violent & too much fake blood is splattered.

OTOH, the Megablox company makes Lego compatable Halo toys and he dearly loves those. But he can play the game in his mind. No blood even on the screen and that, it seems, is what he needs.

Would that I were that innocent...

415 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:55:22pm

Mandy Manners, the twit, spreads her dung on this blog.
Her followers call her "I hates me some Prog".
She advocates torture
while torturing Mort, sure,
with tales of her Kid and his frog.

416 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:55:24pm

re: #412 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Civ5 I am desperately wanting, Diablo I'm cautious about in the wake of some of the lackluster reviews I'm hearin' about StarCraft II, and WoW...BAH!

Oh Starcraft, forgot that one. WoW is fun if you have a good group of folks. We should start a Lizard guild.

417 windsagio  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:55:32pm

re: #413 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Sign me up for the 'can't afford to play warhammer' club.

At least with confrontation the minis are cheaper and prepainted!

418 windsagio  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:56:49pm

re: #416 marjoriemoon

WoW turns people evil if you ever make the mistake of getting serious about it.

... That sentence kinda answers itself actually, getting that serious about WoW is messed up anyways.

419 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:57:01pm

re: #414 wlewisiii

Have you seen the new Lego Bionicles?

420 Kragar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:57:36pm

re: #417 windsagio

Sign me up for the 'can't afford to play warhammer' club.

At least with confrontation the minis are cheaper and prepainted!

What fun is prepainted? Thats half the fun right there.

421 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:57:47pm

re: #415 Cato the Elder

You know she isn't logged in, right?

422 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:57:54pm

I'm out.
Night!
Desu.

423 windsagio  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:58:21pm

re: #420 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

If you can paint ;)

Seriously, also nobody likes painting 65 orcs and goblins.

424 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:58:57pm

re: #423 windsagio

If you can paint ;)

Seriously, also nobody likes painting 65 orcs and goblins.

Ohhh I assure you, there are people out there who enjoy it.

425 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:59:05pm

re: #421 JasonA

You know she isn't logged in, right?

All the better. I'm just getting started.

426 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:59:20pm

re: #423 windsagio

If you can paint ;)

Seriously, also nobody likes painting 65 orcs and goblins.

I've known men who name each and every one...

427 windsagio  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:59:37pm

re: #424 JasonA

Which blows my mind >>

Went through that for a while, I'll be happy if I never see another Mk. 6 space marine ever again!

428 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:59:38pm

re: #419 prairiefire

Have you seen the new Lego Bionicles?

Hero Factory you mean? He's mad because it's a copyright violation in his mind - they're copying Bionicles but he doesn't get that it's all the same company. :)

429 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:59:59pm

re: #418 windsagio

WoW turns people evil if you ever make the mistake of getting serious about it.

... That sentence kinda answers itself actually, getting that serious about WoW is messed up anyways.

Ya mean like having an actual online WoW wedding?? I bumped into one of those on EQ once. Pretty geeky until they got the ceremony to close to a spawn and a dragon flew over and took out most of the wedding party. They were screaming, "The bride is down!" Was pretty damn funny.

430 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:00:04pm

re: #419 prairiefire

Oh, never mind. I'm reading it is a new video game, not a toy.

431 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:00:18pm

re: #425 Cato the Elder

All the better. I'm just getting started.

Well...

I hope you don't go so far that Charles has to finish it for you.

432 austin_blue  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:02:12pm

You damn kids! I cut my teeth on Colossal Cave!

433 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:02:29pm

re: #428 wlewisiii

Hero Factory you mean? He's mad because it's a copyright violation in his mind - they're copying Bionicles but he doesn't get that it's all the same company. :)

Yes, I'm straight on it now. Here's the link:[Link: herofactory.lego.com...]
The Lego toy developers are brilliant.

434 Kragar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:02:52pm

re: #423 windsagio

If you can paint ;)

Seriously, also nobody likes painting 65 orcs and goblins.

Which is why GW made Black Templars and the Black Legion. 1 can Black Primer and 95% of your paint work is done.

Slackers armies, the both of them. Now IG on the other hand...

435 windsagio  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:02:58pm

re: #429 marjoriemoon

More like serious raiding, that stuff messes with peoples' heads.

Might have told it before but I have experience with that. Guy stole a guild bank worth about $5000 real money and destroyed our guild, almost gave me an ulcer and I spent a day shreiking that he couldnt' get it up with his girlfriend for days (which was true by the way, dn't tell people dirty secrets if you're going to fuck them over).

4 months of misery and then a knife in the back, that was the end of my WoW experience.

436 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:03:10pm

re: #432 austin_blue

You damn kids! I cut my teeth on Colossal Cave!

You did not! I thought I was the only one!

437 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:03:18pm
It wasn’t long ago that [Sandoval] said in an interview on Univision that he vehemently supported Arizona’s anti-immigrant law. In reference to the same law, he was asked how he would feel if he his children were stopped in the street and asked for their papers. He answered, with a note of pride in his voice, "my children don’t look Hispanic."

Wow. I didn't know they made assholes that big.

438 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:03:28pm

re: #431 JasonA

Well...

I hope you don't go so far that Charles has to finish it for you.

Right.

Mandy is an untouchable.

Consider me warned.

439 windsagio  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:03:39pm

re: #432 austin_blue

Adventure, Bitch!

440 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:03:41pm

My boy is already working on me to buy Lego Universe. I think that will have to wait till Christmas.

441 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:03:59pm

re: #415 Cato the Elder

Cato, you know I like you. And I, like you, disagree with Mandy's views regarding torture. I too find her icon offensive. She's someone who has engaged here in a good way over the years. Can you interact with her in a way that's productive? I'm not saying that it will result in a view we can all agree upon. But still, I still have my Rodney King moments. Hey, I'm an idealist.

442 windsagio  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:04:34pm

re: #438 Cato the Elder

not my business and I don't wanna draw your ire, but from the point of view of effectiveness, this isn't the way to go after it. If you wanna mess with mandy, or change her behavior, or whatever, you're only undermining yourself.

443 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:04:46pm

re: #416 marjoriemoon

Oh Starcraft, forgot that one. WoW is fun if you have a good group of folks. We should start a Lizard guild.

I could never really get into MMORPGs. I have this bad tendency to get hot and heavy into a new game for a couple weeks up to a month...and then not touch it again for practically ever. Hell, I bought Mass Effect when it first came out and didn't even take the time to play it through to the end until over a year later. I still haven't finished GTA IV.

444 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:05:58pm

re: #438 Cato the Elder

Right.

Mandy is an untouchable.

Consider me warned.

I like you a lot more than I do her. I'd rather you not be the one to go too far. That's all. I've seen Ice go a little over the line with her, too, and I wish you guys wouldn't. Just my 2 cents.

445 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:06:29pm

re: #443 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I could never really get into MMORPGs. I have this bad tendency to get hot and heavy into a new game for a couple weeks up to a month...and then not touch it again for practically ever. Hell, I bought Mass Effect when it first came out and didn't even take the time to play it through to the end until over a year later. I still haven't finished GTA IV.

Are you, like, my long-lost brother or something?

446 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:06:34pm

re: #363 Irenicum

I agree on that point Cato. Though your vitriol also goes a bit too far. But hey, I don't go for either of your attitudinal tendencies. They both go too far.

If no one ever went too far, how would we know where the borders are?

447 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:06:45pm

re: #444 JasonA

2 + 2 = 4

448 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:07:11pm

re: #447 prairiefire

2 + 2 = 4

Hm?

449 austin_blue  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:07:26pm

re: #436 marjoriemoon

You did not! I thought I was the only one!

Plugh!re: #439 windsagio

Adventure, Bitch!

Crowther originally entitled it Colossal Cave Adventure. 700 lines of code!

450 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:07:27pm

re: #448 JasonA

Hm?

Oh nevermind. Duh. :)

451 windsagio  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:07:30pm

re: #447 prairiefire

*5 year old voice*

NO, its 22!

452 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:08:18pm

re: #446 Cato the Elder

If no one ever went too far, how would we know where the borders are?

Cato... have a smoke, have a drink, relax... it's the beginning of the weekend... they'll be plenty of "wingnut morning brigade" time to address this with Mandy.

453 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:08:44pm

re: #451 windsagio

*5 year old voice*

NO, its 22!

Hand to God, when my boy was 5 he told me he did not want to be a Democrat, he wanted to be a banker.

454 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:09:12pm

re: #435 windsagio

More like serious raiding, that stuff messes with peoples' heads.

Might have told it before but I have experience with that. Guy stole a guild bank worth about $5000 real money and destroyed our guild, almost gave me an ulcer and I spent a day shreiking that he couldnt' get it up with his girlfriend for days (which was true by the way, dn't tell people dirty secrets if you're going to fuck them over).

4 months of misery and then a knife in the back, that was the end of my WoW experience.

Ugh, well I don't spend real money on that stuff, but yeah, it can get intense. I still have weird flashbacks from early EQ days.

Hubby and I have a group of folks we met years ago online and we game a lot together so that makes it a lot better.

455 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:10:06pm

2+2=42
π+2=42
∞+2=42

Jeebus, have you people learned nothing?

456 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:10:17pm

re: #443 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I could never really get into MMORPGs. I have this bad tendency to get hot and heavy into a new game for a couple weeks up to a month...and then not touch it again for practically ever. Hell, I bought Mass Effect when it first came out and didn't even take the time to play it through to the end until over a year later. I still haven't finished GTA IV.

I do the same thing. I've never made any character past level 45 on any game.

457 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:10:17pm

Lord, I shouldn't have clicked that Lego link. I'm only 26, yet I immediately hit the "Old" button when I started muttering "Where was this stuff when I was a kid?"

458 windsagio  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:10:23pm

re: #450 JasonA

Fine, you wanna be that way? How about space war, which I magically played 14 years before I was born!

I think I win finally!

459 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:11:00pm

re: #449 austin_blue

Crowther originally entitled it Colossal Cave Adventure. 700 lines of code!

I'm mega impressed. So tell me, did you ever get that last elusive point?

460 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:11:31pm

re: #435 windsagio

More like serious raiding, that stuff messes with peoples' heads.

Might have told it before but I have experience with that. Guy stole a guild bank worth about $5000 real money and destroyed our guild, almost gave me an ulcer and I spent a day shreiking that he couldnt' get it up with his girlfriend for days (which was true by the way, dn't tell people dirty secrets if you're going to fuck them over).

4 months of misery and then a knife in the back, that was the end of my WoW experience.

Wow... this guy tried to knife you?

461 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:12:24pm

re: #457 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It's been great for my kids. They read the manuals easily. Make the set. Take the set apart. Make different ships. Trade and barter for different ships and/or pieces.
Those sets have kept them busy for years.

462 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:12:37pm

re: #456 marjoriemoon

I do the same thing. I've never made any character past level 45 on any game.

Well, part of my problem is "rage quits." I was chewing through GTA IV at a pretty good pace, then I hit the racing portion, screwed up half a dozen races, and turned the XBox off before I started throwing things.

463 Four More Tears  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:12:53pm

re: #435 windsagio

More like serious raiding, that stuff messes with peoples' heads.

Might have told it before but I have experience with that. Guy stole a guild bank worth about $5000 real money and destroyed our guild, almost gave me an ulcer and I spent a day shreiking that he couldnt' get it up with his girlfriend for days (which was true by the way, dn't tell people dirty secrets if you're going to fuck them over).

4 months of misery and then a knife in the back, that was the end of my WoW experience.

You should see the shenanigans that go on in EVE online. A thousand little Bernie Madoff's playing that game...

464 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:12:59pm

Night, lizards.

465 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:13:06pm

re: #452 Walter L. Newton

Cato... have a smoke, have a drink, relax... it's the beginning of the weekend... they'll be plenty of "wingnut morning brigade" time to address this with Mandy.

You're right...except...like Petronius Arbiter and a certain character in a certain Tom Waits song...I never get up before noon.

(But still I'm so horny that the crack 'o dawn better be careful round me.)

466 windsagio  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:13:09pm

re: #460 Walter L. Newton

Felt like it.

To go further I felt like I was gonna have a nervous breakdown. It was a really bad scene.

467 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:13:24pm

re: #458 windsagio

Fine, you wanna be that way? How about space war, which I magically played 14 years before I was born!

I think I win finally!

In my days when I was independently wealthy and had this massive game room of antique and contemporary coin operated gambling and game equipment, I had a two player arcade model of Space Wars. Mother was big.

468 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:14:26pm

re: #461 prairiefire

It's been great for my kids. They read the manuals easily. Make the set. Take the set apart. Make different ships. Trade and barter for different ships and/or pieces.
Those sets have kept them busy for years.

Heh, I've got a big container box full of Legos that I collected since I was little, which has been sitting in my closet for years. Next to my collection of Hot Wheels cars and other assorted toys. I don't think I'll ever find the heart to part with them.

469 windsagio  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:16:44pm

re: #467 Walter L. Newton

In my days when I was independently wealthy and had this massive game room of antique and contemporary coin operated gambling and game equipment, I had a two player arcade model of Space Wars. Mother was big.

See that's cool.

One time in Vancouver we were wandering around and saw an original Computer space in its original stand-up, but we weren't quite willing to spend the (with hindsight amazingly cheap) $300 for it + whatever it would take to fix the controls.

Still regret it to this day.

470 austin_blue  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:20:20pm

re: #459 marjoriemoon

I'm mega impressed. So tell me, did you ever get that last elusive point?

On the 350 point game? Ummm...no.

On the 550 point game? Ummm...no.

I kept tearing my hair out.

471 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:21:49pm

re: #469 windsagio

See that's cool.

One time in Vancouver we were wandering around and saw an original Computer space in its original stand-up, but we weren't quite willing to spend the (with hindsight amazingly cheap) $300 for it + whatever it would take to fix the controls.

Still regret it to this day.

A little local bar I used to hang at had Xenon pinball. Super fun game.

472 windsagio  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:22:35pm

re: #471 marjoriemoon

A little local bar I used to hang at had Xenon pinball. Super fun game.

Man that's awesome!

One of my favorite things is old places that still have weird hidden gems like that. You still find them occasionally :)

473 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:22:38pm

re: #469 windsagio

See that's cool.

One time in Vancouver we were wandering around and saw an original Computer space in its original stand-up, but we weren't quite willing to spend the (with hindsight amazingly cheap) $300 for it + whatever it would take to fix the controls.

Still regret it to this day.

I have had three collections of coin operated gambling and contemporary games. I got into the hobby in 1974, started like a lot of people with a antique gumball machine. Next thing you know, I was buying all sort of used, run down pinball machines, slot machines, console gambling machine and other electro-mechanical gaming devices. The part I like was restoring them to cosmetic and mechanical working condition.

The arcade games was a side part of the hobby, mainly because I had step kids and also the arcade stuff was cheap as anything once they made it through there useful cycle... I think I paid 25 dollars for the Space Wars at an restaurant supply auction.

I can still take a 19030's mechanical counter top slot machine apart and reassemble it by without even a manual.

Can't afford the hobby anymore, had to sell off all my stuff after the last marriage.

474 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:22:47pm

Stupidity takes make forms.
Among them, willful blindness.
Why, I've known bastards in their prime
to tell me it was kindness
to deceive and break the minds
of kids scarce out of diapers.
I wonder, what did Jesus mean,
when talking of the vipers?

475 What, me worry?  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:24:18pm

re: #470 austin_blue

On the 350 point game? Ummm...no.

On the 550 point game? Ummm...no.

I kept tearing my hair out.

We found the game loaded on our Wang equipment. I was working as a supervisor in a word processing dept. We'd all play at lunch. Took 2 years to get through it, an hour a day. I don't recall the difference in points? Something about a clam at the end and a dwarf?

I drew my own map of it that I still have. I need to scan that sucker.

476 windsagio  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:24:36pm

re: #473 Walter L. Newton

Let me repeat that I find that utterly, unspeakably cool.

That's a hell of a hobby.

Closest I know to that is WUB used to have a golden axe 2, Klax, and a 'radical' pinball machine.

I don't let myself have nice things like that :)

477 freetoken  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:25:58pm

re: #455 Cato the Elder

2+2=42
π+2=42
∞+2=42

Jeebus, have you people learned nothing?

According to the received text from Adams, the original question to the ultimate answer was:

What is 6x9?

478 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:27:20pm

re: #477 freetoken

What is 6x9?

God's preferred photographic format?

479 windsagio  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:28:45pm

re: #477 freetoken

(more heresy)

I'm so tired of Douglas Adams. Might as well reference The Knights that say Nii!

480 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:29:13pm

re: #476 windsagio

Let me repeat that I find that utterly, unspeakably cool.

That's a hell of a hobby.

Closest I know to that is WUB used to have a golden axe 2, Klax, and a 'radical' pinball machine.

I don't let myself have nice things like that :)

One more brag, and then to bed. When I was living in Houston with my second wife, I had a 24 by 12 foot game room, with about 30 antique coin operated game machine (pinballs, slots, antique arcade and misc) and 12 video arcade games. Plus the whole room was decorated with things like brass cash registers, blackjack tables, bar, tons of signage and bar and gambling related stuff on the walls, red rug (of course) and bookoo lighting... it looked like you were walking into a sleezy casino in downtown Vegas...

481 Irenicum  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:29:25pm

Well kids. As much as I'm wantin' my views beyond doubt expressed. The next day beckons. Nighty nite and be well y'all. Our epistemic limitations seems to prevail.

482 Henchman Ghazi-808  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:29:52pm

re: #477 freetoken

What is 6x9?

A failed aspect ratio format that lost to 16x9.

A car speaker design that fits into the area of the rear window and impresses friends.

483 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:30:23pm

re: #476 windsagio

Let me repeat that I find that utterly, unspeakably cool.

That's a hell of a hobby.

Closest I know to that is WUB used to have a golden axe 2, Klax, and a 'radical' pinball machine.

I don't let myself have nice things like that :)

Get yourself an old pachinko machine.

It's a start on the way to coolness.

484 austin_blue  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:31:57pm

re: #475 marjoriemoon

We found the game loaded on our Wang equipment. I was working as a supervisor in a word processing dept. We'd all play at lunch. Took 2 years to get through it, an hour a day. I don't recall the difference in points? Something about a clam at the end and a dwarf?

I drew my own map of it that I still have. I need to scan that sucker.

My dad, who did some coding after he got out out of the Marines so he and my mom wouldn't kill each other, brought it home from a pirated copy of the original PDP 10 version that was compatible with his (top of the line!) TRS 80. I had maps covering the room.

485 freetoken  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:33:12pm

re: #482 BigPapa

A failed aspect ratio format that lost to 16x9.

A car speaker design that fits into the area of the rear window and impresses friends.

Nice ideas... but no, the real answer is "42".

486 windsagio  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:33:48pm

re: #483 Cato the Elder

True enough, takes too much time and effort though.

487 freetoken  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:34:03pm

re: #478 wlewisiii

God's preferred photographic format?

Well, I prefer 6x7 or square, but who am I to argue with God?

488 Henchman Ghazi-808  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:35:08pm

re: #485 freetoken

Nice ideas... but no, the real answer is "42".

DAMN!

Nice Coltrane YT last night.

489 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:37:51pm

re: #484 austin_blue

My dad, who did some coding after he got out out of the Marines so he and my mom wouldn't kill each other, brought it home from a pirated copy of the original PDP 10 version that was compatible with his (top of the line!) TRS 80. I had maps covering the room.

It was Adventure that got me interested in coding. I wrote my first program, a text adventure call "The Midway" for the Vic 20. It had 10 locations. Purpose of the game, find the bomb planted in one of the carnival midway attractions, you had one hour. Code fit in 3.5 k. Then I wrote a full length game for the C64 called "Encounter" an encounter with a UFO text adventure.

I actually found a ROM image of the game here...

[Link: www.gb64.com...]

I credit Adventure with getting me started and interested in programming, a career that has lasted, even in it's current part time mode, till today.

490 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:39:25pm

re: #487 freetoken

Well, I prefer 6x7 or square, but who am I to argue with God?

Actually, I prefer the square too, but I couldn't resist... ;0

491 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:40:29pm

A bonus track for those who've been with us all evening.

And Jesus was a sailor
when he walked upon the water
and he spent a long time watching
from his lonely wooden tower.
And when he knew for certain
only drowning men could see him
he said "All men will be sailors then
until the sea shall free them."
But he himself was broken
long before the sky would open.
Forsaken, almost human,
he sank beneath your wisdom
like a stone.
And you want to travel with him
and you want to travel blind
and you think maybe you'll trust him
for he's touched your perfect body
with his mind.

Youtube Video

Heroes in the seaweed!

492 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:41:14pm

I forgot, I promise to go to bed a few minutes ago... and I will... night all.

493 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:41:46pm

re: #487 freetoken

Well, I prefer 6x7 or square, but who am I to argue with God?

At least he's not asking for a starship.

/

494 austin_blue  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:43:00pm

Ack! 12:41 in hot, steamy, Austin.

Haven't had any 100 degree days yet this year (thank you, El Nino!) but lotsa rain and a plethora of mosquitos and very high humidity.

(Last year in July alone we had 23 days above 100. And August was worse. La Nina kills us.)

Good night, dear Lizards, play nice.

495 windsagio  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:46:19pm

Ok out to get drunkish with my cousin and some friends of his, bbl maybe ;)

496 Henchman Ghazi-808  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:55:12pm

A House investigative panel has decided to charge Democratic Rep. Maxine Waters of California with ethics violations, raising the possibility of a second high-profile trial with political implications for Democrats this fall.

Read more: [Link: www.sfgate.com...]

No fan of Waters and don't think she did as bad as Rangel... but we know how this is probably going to turn out.

497 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:58:23pm

re: #476 windsagio

Let me repeat that I find that utterly, unspeakably cool.

That's a hell of a hobby.

Closest I know to that is WUB used to have a golden axe 2, Klax, and a 'radical' pinball machine.

I don't let myself have nice things like that :)

Not all at once! :D Revenge of Death Adder board was sold to get the Klax board, though I still have the original Golden Axe PCB, which doesn't work because the pinouts aren't JAMMA

wheeeee

498 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:59:15pm

re: #496 BigPapa

As a leftie, I really freaking wish they would deal with these people appropriately. It's so terribly frustrating to see the corrupt on either side get a pass.

499 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 11:02:54pm

re: #491 Cato the Elder

P.S. I don't know why this vid is done up with a Margarita. Except maybe that the word means "pearl" in Spanish.

Listen to the fookin' song. It's a pearl.

500 Henchman Ghazi-808  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 11:03:37pm

re: #498 wlewisiii

As a leftie, I really freaking wish they would deal with these people appropriately. It's so terribly frustrating to see the corrupt on either side get a pass.

You mean the right wing smear machine? An (R)payloa corruption case would be an improvement right now.

We are about due for another GOP affair or foot tapping incident, that might lighting things up a bit.

501 freetoken  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 11:07:36pm

re: #488 BigPapa

Nice Coltrane YT last night.

Glad you liked it. There are several good Coltrane videos on YT from b&w tv days.

502 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 11:10:49pm

Well, g'night all. We'll pick it up in the morning.

503 Henchman Ghazi-808  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 11:17:45pm

I think Water's husband is a serious problem but it will be spun to no end.

504 windsagio  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 11:31:10pm

Marc was passed out for some reason, so I'm back!

PS:

Kludd!

505 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 12:34:21am

Just saw bits and pieces of the news online today, I worked my arse off today, just got home. (whine over - it's my fault for procrastinating)

I am just floored about the ADL's statement. I don't get it.

506 boxhead  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 12:38:54am

re: #505 Stanley Sea

Just saw bits and pieces of the news online today, I worked my arse off today, just got home. (whine over - it's my fault for procrastinating)

I am just floored about the ADL's statement. I don't get it.

I agree... Not sure where the profit is for being against a religious center. I swear I feel like I have gone down the rabbit hole.....

507 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 12:59:40am

re: #505 Stanley Sea

Just saw bits and pieces of the news online today, I worked my arse off today, just got home. (whine over - it's my fault for procrastinating)

I am just floored about the ADL's statement. I don't get it.

In other news, I ripped Mandy a new one.

508 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 1:02:05am

I listened to re: #507 Cato the Elder

In other news, I ripped Mandy a new one.

Right on! Bummed I missed it.

509 freetoken  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 1:14:26am
Youtube Video
510 mardukhai  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 1:15:08am

Charles -- Who's doing the race baiting re. the Panthers? Them? Or people like me, who felt their violence personally.

511 freetoken  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 1:22:33am
Youtube Video

Hehe... "raised on loco weed"...

512 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 1:31:28am

re: #74 HoosierHoops

Lizards..I have to work all weekend...Sunday evening I'm going to visit the site of the Oklahoma bombing site and pay respects..
In a few minutes I'll post the the special edition of the Lizard prayer list on a Sabbath.. If you have any special request please let me know before we post.

Down on 4th Street. I was in the Murrah building (then new) a few times when I lived in OKC, spent more time in the older federal building across the street, where the IRS office was (is?).

Just remind the spirits of those who died (if such things exist and if they are there) that they were avenged, FWIW.

513 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 1:59:16am

Insomnia sucks. So I guess I'll drink tea, pet cats, surf the net, and hang out in various chat locations.

514 tnguitarist  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 2:03:00am

re: #513 oaktree

Insomnia sucks. So I guess I'll drink tea, pet cats, surf the net, and hang out in various chat locations.

Amen. My bulldog is stinking up the place as well.

515 tnguitarist  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 2:03:52am

re: #510 mardukhai

Charles -- Who's doing the race baiting re. the Panthers? Them? Or people like me, who felt their violence personally.

Are you saying you were physically attacked by one of them?

516 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 2:22:47am

Goodnight you insomniacs! I'm definitely sleeping in.

Youtube Video
517 freetoken  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 2:24:46am

Playing the samisen like a rock star?


Youtube Video
518 freetoken  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 2:27:57am

Hibari Misora singing the same song, as a girl then 25 years later:

Youtube Video
519 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 2:38:54am

Good Morning Lizards!

Simpson quote time:
Homer: "Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true."

520 Kruk  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 2:52:37am

Innocent man freed after 27 years in jail for a crime he didn't commit, thanks to DNA. The scary part of the story: the County admits that *even* now, they don't have the resources to use DNA testing in every case where it might exonerate someone who has been convicted. I wonder how many more people are in jail who shouldn't be? And I wonder if it would be called race baiting to point out that the vast majority of those are probably black? That's been the case in the vast majority of those exonerated by the Innocence Project.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

521 freetoken  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 3:02:58am

From this 1967 movie... looks like a nice drama, but alas as in so many foreign films are not available here:


Youtube Video

In a traditional Japanese wedding women are, so I've been told, treated somewhat like property that one family sells to another.

522 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 3:53:54am

Well...

I'm awake.

523 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 3:55:15am

re: #513 oaktree

Ever read any of the Lawrence Block books about Tanner?

524 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 4:19:29am

Morning all

525 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 4:28:58am

re: #524 RogueOne

All of Me?

526 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 4:34:41am

If it's just us I'm taking off my tie.

527 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 4:36:02am

re: #526 RogueOne

It's okay... my pants are looong gone.

528 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 4:40:12am

"Your first big hit was "Hush" and I think it would really groove the kids if you did that"

Youtube Video
529 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 4:55:28am

re: #528 RogueOne

That's why lip syncing is better.

530 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 4:57:24am

re: #529 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That didn't sound too bad for 40 yrs ago. I was diggin' the outfits and the hair. The one guy looked like he was wearing a hair helmet.

531 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 4:57:47am

Regarding Rangel..

"He's somebody who's at the end of his career. I'm sure that what he wants is to be able to end his career with dignity. And my hope is that it happens," Obama said in an interview that aired Friday on "CBS Evening News with Katie Couric."

Too late. He's a disgrace.

532 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 4:58:11am

re: #530 RogueOne

There were dudes?

533 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 5:00:21am

re: #528 RogueOne

Hef had a pretty good idea...

534 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 5:01:35am

This is what happens when you try to continually play the race card, it's finally come to this:

NYT Blogger Who Knocked Fox News' Audience Diversity Has the Same Problem
[Link: www.politicsdaily.com...]


Interestingly, though, the media site where Stelter primarily blogs (New York Times' Media Decoder) suffers from the lowest percentage of African-American readers (4.6%) when compared to comparable media sites like Mediaite (5.8%), Gawker (6.4%), Mediabistro (9.2%), etc., according to Nielsen Media Research.

So now unless your site has a high enough percentage of African-American readers....you must be a racist. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

535 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 5:04:21am

re: #534 RogueOne

Fun thing about the internet... you can just ask your readers to describe themselves anyway you like...

That's next.

536 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 5:32:05am

Anna Nicole Smith in trouble again, still dead:

Prosecutor makes new claim in Anna Nicole case
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]


"I think it's obvious she was part of the conspiracy because she wanted this medication," Deputy District Attorney Renee Rose said during a pretrial hearing.
537 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 5:33:16am

re: #531 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Regarding Rangel..

Too late. He's a disgrace.

He is trying to bump Dan Rather off the top of MyListTM.

538 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 5:37:07am

Oh, morning Honcos.

539 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 5:37:30am

You know what sucks? Football practice early Saturdays. Starting next week, I'll have to drag my butt outta' bed SIX days a week to dirve The Kid to the school's grounds. Plus, the afternoon practices will be at 7:00 which means I'll have to pick him up from school, drive home, do homework, fix dinner, take him to practice and then drive home. But, the MEN who are coaching don't give a fuck because they are not the ones who doing the driving and cooking and cleaning. Buncha' sexist fucking pigs. *mumblegrumblemumble* Gonna' go kick the cat.

540 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 5:38:58am

re: #539 MandyManners

Mornin' Sunshine!!

541 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 5:39:56am

I am craving a glass of OJ in a big way, but have none.:(

542 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 5:43:59am

re: #539 MandyManners

TWO-A-DAYS ARE HARD! (on the coaches too)...

543 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 5:44:18am

re: #540 Cannadian Club Akbar

whackwhackwhackwhack

544 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 5:44:39am

re: #541 Cannadian Club Akbar

Have a virgin screwdriver. No orange juice; just vodka.

545 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 5:45:15am

re: #542 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

TWO-A-DAYS ARE HARD! (on the coaches too)...

Just one each day.

546 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 5:45:16am

re: #544 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Have a virgin screwdriver. No orange juice; just vodka.

This is why i love you.

547 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 5:45:41am

re: #544 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Have a virgin screwdriver. No orange juice; just vodka.

IT'S FIVE O'CLOCK SOMEWHERE.

548 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 5:46:37am

re: #546 Cannadian Club Akbar

This is why i love you.

And he loves you for your pie.

549 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 5:47:09am

re: #548 MandyManners

And he loves you for your pie.

Don't say pie!!

550 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 5:48:38am

I think my broken knuckle is healing.

551 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 5:49:31am

re: #549 Cannadian Club Akbar

There's pie?

552 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 5:50:00am

re: #549 Cannadian Club Akbar

Don't say pie!!

piepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepie
piepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepie
piepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepiepie

553 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 5:50:00am

re: #551 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There's pie?

Ah, geez.

554 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 5:51:09am

re: #551 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There's pie?

And, it is square.

555 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 5:51:47am

re: #545 MandyManners

Oh, sorry. The two-a-days are only for you.

556 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 5:52:58am

re: #555 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, sorry. The two-a-days are only for you.

Aw, man. There's a dirty joke in there somewhere.

557 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 5:53:52am

re: #550 Cannadian Club Akbar

I think my broken knuckle is healing.

Did someone have it coming?

558 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 5:56:19am

re: #557 RogueOne

Did someone have it coming?

No. I thought the neighbor was dead and I was banging on his door. Actually had to call the police. Fucked up my last Sunday.

559 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 5:56:25am

Utterly amazing how The Kid hops out of bed to go to practice on Saturdays. I'm not expecting the same reaction for school.

560 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 5:57:00am

re: #558 Cannadian Club Akbar

No. I thought the neighbor was dead and I was banging on his door. Actually had to call the police. Fucked up my last Sunday.

*kissing the knuckle*

Good deed, dude.

561 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 5:57:32am

No dirty jokes, you deviated preverts.

562 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 5:59:27am

re: #560 MandyManners

*kissing the knuckle*

Good deed, dude.

re: #561 MandyManners

No dirty jokes, you deviated preverts.

I was only gonna make 1 joke that had the word "lower" in it.

563 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 6:01:03am

*sigh*

564 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 6:01:22am

Gotta' fire up the batmobile.

565 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 6:02:56am

re: #558 Cannadian Club Akbar

Oh yeah! Was he dead?

566 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 6:03:40am

re: #565 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh yeah! Was he dead?

No. Fucker.

567 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 6:03:58am

re: #566 Cannadian Club Akbar

No. Fucker.

Shame on him.

568 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 6:04:10am

bbl

569 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 6:05:02am

re: #566 Cannadian Club Akbar

No. Fucker.

You must be in his will.

570 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 6:06:08am

re: #569 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You must be in his will.

I better be now.

571 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 6:06:44am

re: #558 Cannadian Club Akbar

No. I thought the neighbor was dead and I was banging on his door. Actually had to call the police. Fucked up my last Sunday.

I remember that, didn't realize you broke your knuckle.

572 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 6:08:22am

re: #571 RogueOne

I remember that, didn't realize you broke your knuckle.

I didn't either until Monday. And I'm left handed and that is the one I broke.

573 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 6:10:58am

I'm not saying word.

uckle up, Mr. President, here we go!
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]


The smiling president got in, buckled his seat belt and proceeded to drive — drum roll, please — 10 feet, and probably not above 2 mph, as news cameras clicked away.

"I hope it has an air bag," Gibbs said.

Obama, who almost never gets to drive, pronounced the ride "pretty smooth."

574 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 6:11:29am

Doh! "Buckle Up"

575 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 6:12:13am

re: #573 RogueOne

Wish he would've worn a Dukakis helmet.

576 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 6:13:53am

re: #573 RogueOne

Outrageous!

577 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 6:14:46am

re: #576 Killgore Trout

Outrageous!

No, Hilarious!

578 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 6:16:11am

re: #576 Killgore Trout

I think it's funny that Gibbs quipped "I hope it has air bags."

I think it's a funny (not harmful "he's an idiot") story.

579 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 6:16:22am

re: #576 Killgore Trout

Outrageous!

THIS is "outrageous"

Obama hails auto bailout as good news in Michigan
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

85 Billion for 55,000 jobs, do the math. I already have but I don't want to ruin the surprise.

580 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 6:17:57am

To work!

581 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 6:35:00am

Uh-Oh:

Dead Heat in Nevada
[Link: politicalwire.com...]


A new Mason-Dixon poll in Nevada shows Sen. Harry Reid (D) and challenger Sharron Angle (R) neck and neck.

Reid barely edges Angle among likely voters, 43% to 42%. Two weeks ago, he had a seven point lead.

582 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 6:36:40am

re: #581 RogueOne

Kook vs. Idiot. Heh.

583 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 6:40:01am

re: #497 WindUpBird

Not all at once! :D Revenge of Death Adder board was sold to get the Klax board, though I still have the original Golden Axe PCB, which doesn't work because the pinouts aren't JAMMA

wheee

I used to love those games.

584 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 6:42:11am

Rick Scott is a fucking kook and leading in polls here. I might have to vote for a Democrat for gubner.
[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]

585 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 6:42:49am

re: #581 RogueOne

Uh-Oh:

Dead Heat in Nevada
[Link: politicalwire.com...]

The Dems are getting hammered, and some of that is bound to splash onto Reid. I'm not rooting for either of them. One's failed Senate Majority Leader, that other is a nutcase. Either way, Nevada loses.

586 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 6:44:03am

I didn't know Forbes is closing True/Slant:

[Link: trueslant.com...]

587 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 6:44:15am

re: #584 Cannadian Club Akbar

Rick Scott is a fucking kook and leading in polls here. I might have to vote for a Democrat for gubner.
[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]

If you've got some money, make a donation to McCollum.

588 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 6:46:03am

re: #587 Dark_Falcon

That report is wrong. Rick Scott is a billionaire. And I have no money.:(

589 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 6:52:07am

I just ate a big breakfast an hour or so ago and I'm already hungry. Guess this is a good thing considering all the weight I have lost recently.

590 Ojoe  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 6:55:55am

The early morning light on the San Gabriel Mountains of California. The Towercam, Pacific time zone.

You can clearly see how burnt over some of the slopes are in this view.

Good morning all.

Remember, if you eat a big breakfast, other counties may not say "OK".

591 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 6:58:07am

re: #579 RogueOne

Link is busted but I'm already aware of the dishonest math from wingnut bloggers used to convince their stupid readers that creating jobs is a bad idea.

592 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 6:58:55am

re: #590 Ojoe

If they don't like my big breakfast they certainly won't be happy with my lunch pick. And I'm already thinking about dinner.:)

593 Ojoe  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:01:01am

Jobs are cool.

Unless millions of them appear magically before November, the Democrats are doomed.

594 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:02:52am

re: #591 Killgore Trout

Link is busted but I'm already aware of the dishonest math from wingnut bloggers used to convince their stupid readers that creating jobs is a bad idea.

You'll notice I said to do the math yourself?

Don't you trust yourself to do the math honestly or are you afraid your calculator was built by Diebold and therefore it's going to lie to you./

595 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:05:42am

There is some good news out there, took awhile to find but I found some:

Texas Inmates Likely to Be Exonerated After Committee Discovers Wrongful Convictions
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]


After 27 years behind bars, Michael Anthony Green is slated for release from a Texas prison today after an investigation revealed that he was innocent of a 1983 aggravated sexual assault for which he was sentenced to 75 years in prison.

He'll be the second man wrongly-convicted of rape to be freed from a Texas jail in the past week.

Green and Allen Wayne Porter, who was released on bond last Friday after it was determined that he was not one of the three men who invaded a southwest Houston apartment in 1990 and raped two women, served a combined 46 years before a group comprised of local lawyers and investigators reviewed their cases and unearthed new facts.

Anyone see the Penn and Teller BS episode about the criminal justice system? It was well done for a 30 min program. They could do a whole season just on this one subject.

596 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:06:02am

re: #591 Killgore Trout

Link is busted but I'm already aware of the dishonest math from wingnut bloggers used to convince their stupid readers that creating jobs is a bad idea.

It's a Yahoo story Killgore; They're not a wingnut organization. What Rogue One is saying (and I agree with him) is that the GM bailout cost more than it was worth in terms of saving jobs. Further, I am intensely skeptical of any claim by the government to have created private sector jobs. Usually, it turns out they just either built up debt that may kill jobs when taxes are raised or service cut to repay said debt, or they just robbed Peter to pay Paul. Either way, I consider Obama claim on this score to be bullshit and would require proof beyond a reasonable doubt to convince me otherwise.

597 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:07:17am

re: #595 RogueOne

There is some good news out there, took awhile to find but I found some:

Texas Inmates Likely to Be Exonerated After Committee Discovers Wrongful Convictions
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Anyone see the Penn and Teller BS episode about the criminal justice system? It was well done for a 30 min program. They could do a whole season just on this one subject.

They gave your man Radley Balko a good featuring as well.

598 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:08:37am

I just got my absentee ballot for the primaries!!! WOOT!! (I don't bother to go to the polling places although I love the little "I voted" stickers)

599 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:09:18am

re: #597 Dark_Falcon

They gave your man Radley Balko a good featuring as well.

Yeah. I don't normally trust bald guys that are younger than I am but I enjoy his focus. I'm hoping eventually he'll write a book.

600 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:09:20am

Obama sez.....
Weekly Address: Good News on Autos, Obstruction on Small Business

Youtube Video
601 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:12:31am

re: #596 Dark_Falcon

Ah, if it's the auto bailout then you should be aware of how it's structured. Wingnuts won't tell you that part. There are specific real world details to the deal, the simplistic math from wingnut bloggers is dishonest.

602 BryanS  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:13:15am

re: #595 RogueOne

There is some good news out there, took awhile to find but I found some:

Texas Inmates Likely to Be Exonerated After Committee Discovers Wrongful Convictions
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Anyone see the Penn and Teller BS episode about the criminal justice system? It was well done for a 30 min program. They could do a whole season just on this one subject.

One very good reason to not have the death penalty. We can't give back the lost time in prison, but we can correct an error by giving back someone's freedom if wrongly convicted. Death penalty--not so much.

603 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:13:18am

re: #600 Killgore Trout

Obama sez...
Weekly Address: Good News on Autos, Obstruction on Small Business
[Video]

About that....

Paperwork nightmare: A struggle to fix new law
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]


WASHINGTON – Tucked into the new health care law is a requirement that could become a paperwork nightmare for nearly 40 million businesses.

They must file tax forms for every vendor that sells them more than $600 in goods.
....
The House rejected a bill Friday that would have repealed the provision. The two parties disagreed on how to make up the lost revenue.

"This foolish policy hammers our business community when we should be supporting their job growth," Sen. Mike Johanns of Nebraska said in the Republicans' weekly radio and Internet address Saturday. "It's only one example of how the administration's promise to support small businesses really rings hollow."

Democrats blamed Republicans for Friday's failure.

It's the republicans fault since so many of them wanted the HCR bill passed the dems didn't have time to read or understand it before they bowed to all the pressure.

604 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:13:53am

Coach said he'd keep an eye on the little punk who's been face-masking The Kid. He'd better. The little punk's mother took it to a whole other level yesterday at the end of the party. I was in a group of mothers who were chatting and I mentioned that I'd held back The Kid this year. She snickered, rolled her eyes and muttered something to another mother.

I broke it off in the bitch. I said, "Sandy, I didn't notice your son up on the stage in May getting an award for his test scores. Nor did I notice your daughter up there. Oh, wait. She's the one the SCHOOL held back. Two times." Utter silence prevailed for a nanosecond until a buddy of mine just cackled with glee. (Test scores are the standardized tests done each fall, winter and spring. The Kid was in the top five per cent, hence he and a few other kids got awards. Modest bitch that I am, I didn't brag that his were the highest in the district.) A lot of us are sick and tired of this bitch and her fucking hooligans.

605 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:14:26am

re: #600 Killgore Trout

Obama sez...
Weekly Address: Good News on Autos, Obstruction on Small Business

[Video]

He can say that, but I don't agree, and I don't really think voters outside of Michigan will agree in November. Michigan voters, I concede, likely agree and are grateful.

606 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:14:26am

re: #600 Killgore Trout

Do we know what Michigan's unemployment rate is since the President mentioned 2 different job sectors in this address?

607 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:14:34am

*ahem*

Momma' bear's gonna' get put back in the closet.

608 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:19:19am

re: #604 MandyManners

Coach said he'd keep an eye on the little punk who's been face-masking The Kid. He'd better. The little punk's mother took it to a whole other level yesterday at the end of the party. I was in a group of mothers who were chatting and I mentioned that I'd held back The Kid this year. She snickered, rolled her eyes and muttered something to another mother.

I broke it off in the bitch. I said, "Sandy, I didn't notice your son up on the stage in May getting an award for his test scores. Nor did I notice your daughter up there. Oh, wait. She's the one the SCHOOL held back. Two times." Utter silence prevailed for a nanosecond until a buddy of mine just cackled with glee. (Test scores are the standardized tests done each fall, winter and spring. The Kid was in the top five per cent, hence he and a few other kids got awards. Modest bitch that I am, I didn't brag that his were the highest in the district.) A lot of us are sick and tired of this bitch and her fucking hooligans.

Give it to her with the bark on, Mandy! Jerks like that make life worse for everyone else. You truly are making your town a better place by smacking this witch down.

609 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:19:53am

re: #604 MandyManners

Mornin' Sunshine!! AGAIN!!!
/

610 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:20:01am

re: #606 Cannadian Club Akbar

Do we know what Michigan's unemployment rate is since the President mentioned 2 different job sectors in this address?

I was wondering earlier who was going to win the gov primaries. Wheres Sixdegrees when you need him?

611 Gus  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:20:01am

re: #596 Dark_Falcon

It's a Yahoo story Killgore; They're not a wingnut organization. What Rogue One is saying (and I agree with him) is that the GM bailout cost more than it was worth in terms of saving jobs. Further, I am intensely skeptical of any claim by the government to have created private sector jobs. Usually, it turns out they just either built up debt that may kill jobs when taxes are raised or service cut to repay said debt, or they just robbed Peter to pay Paul. Either way, I consider Obama claim on this score to be bullshit and would require proof beyond a reasonable doubt to convince me otherwise.

The idea behind the GM bailouts wasn't to create jobs but to keep GM from declaring Chapter 11 and possibly closing its doors. There would have been a huge ripple effect if they were to shut their doors such as in suppliers, rail transportation, dealerships, repairs, etc. The negative effect on suppliers would have also impacted Ford.

It's a misconception to say that Obama was the sole person behind the bailouts. For one it fails to recognize the democratic process of Congress which had to approve the funding. Obama did not create the funding by executive order.

The bailing out of GM also began in 2008. All told the Bush White House was behing the 25 billion of the now total 80 billion and signed and pushed for these bailout funds including using TARP monies (by executive order).

On December 19, George W. Bush announced that he had approved the bailout plan, which would give loans of $17.4 billion to U.S. automakers GM and Chrysler, stating that under present economic conditions, "allowing the U.S. auto industry to collapse is not a responsible course of action." Bush provided $13.4 billion now, with another $4 billion available in February 2009. Funds would be made available from the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008. General Motors will get $9.4 billion and Chrysler $4 billion.

However, the Treasury currently lacks the statutory authority to direct TARP funds to the automakers under the statute passed by Congress. TARP is clearly limited to “financial institutions" under Section 102 of the TARP. Suggestions for providing TARP funds to automaker's financing operations, such as GMAC, runs counter to the intent of Congress for limiting TARP funds to true "financial institutions" in the first place.[81] On December 19, 2008, President Bush used his executive authority to declare that TARP funds may be spent on any program he personally deems necessary to avert the financial crisis, and declared Section 102 to be nonbinding, essentially utilizing the line-item veto which was declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court in Clinton v. City of New York.

612 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:21:52am

re: #604 MandyManners

Moms can be vicious and rightfully so. I wish my spouse and her siblings had a mom like you.

613 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:22:25am

re: #611 Gus 802

I added the Bush money in there. It was a bad idea, doesn't matter if it's a republican or a dem.

614 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:24:13am

re: #606 Cannadian Club Akbar

Do we know what Michigan's unemployment rate is since the President mentioned 2 different job sectors in this address?

I don't know but I suppose you could google it.

615 Gus  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:24:32am

re: #613 RogueOne

I added the Bush money in there. It was a bad idea, doesn't matter if it's a republican or a dem.

Many think it was a bad idea. Keep one thing in mind though. It was GM and Chrysler that came begging for the bailout to the federal government. That would be management.

"Allowing the US auto industry to collapse is not a responsible course of action."
President George W Bush 2008

616 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:25:30am

re: #613 RogueOne

I added the Bush money in there. It was a bad idea, doesn't matter if it's a republican or a dem.

Quite Concur.

617 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:26:02am

re: #608 Dark_Falcon

Give it to her with the bark on, Mandy! Jerks like that make life worse for everyone else. You truly are making your town a better place by smacking this witch down.

I usually am not that mean, Falcon. I have no idea where the vitriol came from. Well, no. I know where it came from. It came from me. I said it and I meant it. I own it.

We're from different towns but our children are in the same private school. Her kids are fucking nightmares. The little punk tried bullying my son in the past but he stood up for himself. And, when he tried bullying another child, The Kid got between him and the intended victim. Gosh, I feel like I'm eating broken glass. Madder than a wet hornet.

618 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:26:18am

re: #614 Killgore Trout

I don't know but I suppose you could google it.

13.1%

619 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:26:31am

re: #609 Cannadian Club Akbar

Mornin' Sunshine!! AGAIN!!!
/

Little Miss Mary Fucking Sunshine at your service!

620 Gus  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:27:31am

re: #618 Cannadian Club Akbar

13.1%

Is that for all of Michigan?

621 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:27:32am

re: #615 Gus 802

Many think it was a bad idea. Keep one thing in mind though. It was GM and Chrysler that came begging for the bailout to the federal government. That would be management.

"Allowing the US auto industry to collapse is not a responsible course of action."
President George W Bush 2008

They, and the rest of us, would have been better off if they were allowed to file bankruptcy without the bailouts. They filed anyway so if anyone suggests the money was meant to head off bankruptcy that's false on its face. GM and Chrysler are going to have this same problem 30 years from now because the underlying issues were never addressed but paid off by taxpayers.

622 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:27:53am

re: #612 RogueOne

Moms can be vicious and rightfully so. I wish my spouse and her siblings had a mom like you.

(((rouge & his wife)))


The meek might inherit the Earth but, their kids will thank them for kicking some ass while they're young.

623 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:28:08am

re: #620 Gus 802

Is that for all of Michigan?

[Link: www.google.com...]

624 Gus  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:28:28am

re: #621 RogueOne

They, and the rest of us, would have been better off if they were allowed to file bankruptcy without the bailouts. They filed anyway so if anyone suggests the money was meant to head off bankruptcy that's false on its face. GM and Chrysler are going to have this same problem 30 years from now because the underlying issues were never addressed but paid off by taxpayers.

That's the kicker. They did finally file for bankruptcy.

625 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:30:04am

re: #611 Gus 802

On December 19, George W. Bush announced that he had approved the bailout plan, which would give loans of $17.4 billion to U.S. automakers GM and Chrysler, stating that under present economic conditions,.....


Of course that's the key that the wingnuts try to ignore. These loans are usually 5-6% interest. The government makes money on these deals as well as saving jobs. I think we also took stock in GM but I'm not sure what we paid for it but we probably got a good deal. But we'll make money when we sell the stock in a year or two.
I'm getting desperate for wingnuts to return to reality. They can like or dislike anything they want as long as there are decent and realistic reasons for it. For now they're just full of shit, fucking dishonest and absurdly stupid.

626 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:31:25am

re: #622 MandyManners

(((rouge & his wife)))

The meek might inherit the Earth but, their kids will thank them for kicking some ass while they're young.

After the big blow out this week my sister asked my wife why her parents had never told her "NO" to anything. They're good people, just horrible parents. The biggest concern my spouse has had in all this is trying to do the right thing but still maintaining the relationship she has with her sister. She hated to do all of this but she came to the conclusion that the welfare of her sister was more important than their relationship. It tore her up but she still let me do what I wanted.

627 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:31:32am

re: #617 MandyManners

I usually am not that mean, Falcon. I have no idea where the vitriol came from. Well, no. I know where it came from. It came from me. I said it and I meant it. I own it.

We're from different towns but our children are in the same private school. Her kids are fucking nightmares. The little punk tried bullying my son in the past but he stood up for himself. And, when he tried bullying another child, The Kid got between him and the intended victim. Gosh, I feel like I'm eating broken glass. Madder than a wet hornet.

Let it out. You've got a right to be angry about abusive people like that. At the same time, remember to give yourself and your son credit: You have always refused to be a victim, and your son shares that refusal. Not only that, but you both have now taken the fight to the abusers, who by the time things get sorted out will be trying to figure out how Momma Bear and her cub mauled them so quickly.

628 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:33:12am

re: #626 RogueOne

After the big blow out this week my sister asked my wife why her parents had never told her "NO" to anything. They're good people, just horrible parents. The biggest concern my spouse has had in all this is trying to do the right thing but still maintaining the relationship she has with her sister. She hated to do all of this but she came to the conclusion that the welfare of her sister was more important than their relationship. It tore her up but she still let me do what I wanted.

What happened? I'm not here weekday mornings these days, so I missed it.

629 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:33:43am

re: #626 RogueOne

After the big blow out this week my sister asked my wife why her parents had never told her "NO" to anything. They're good people, just horrible parents. The biggest concern my spouse has had in all this is trying to do the right thing but still maintaining the relationship she has with her sister. She hated to do all of this but she came to the conclusion that the welfare of her sister was more important than their relationship. It tore her up but she still let me do what I wanted.

People need to realize that once they're married, the most important relationship is with their spouses. Family is what you're born into. Marriage is what you choose.

630 SixDegrees  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:34:13am

re: #618 Cannadian Club Akbar

13.1%

And in Detroit, it is in excess of 25%.

Possibly far more.

631 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:34:23am

re: #625 Killgore Trout

Of course that's the key that the wingnuts try to ignore. These loans are usually 5-6% interest. The government makes money on these deals as well as saving jobs. I think we also took stock in GM but I'm not sure what we paid for it but we probably got a good deal. But we'll make money when we sell the stock in a year or two.
I'm getting desperate for wingnuts to return to reality. They can like or dislike anything they want as long as there are decent and realistic reasons for it. For now they're just full of shit, fucking dishonest and absurdly stupid.

From the same article I posted earlier:
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]


The president said taxpayers will recoup the billions poured into Chrysler and GM during his presidency, as the companies repay the government. Aides acknowledged that probably will not apply to the $25 billion funneled to the industry in 2008 under the Bush administration. The most recent government estimate found that taxpayers will lose $24.3 billion on the auto bailout.

632 Gus  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:34:57am

re: #625 Killgore Trout

Of course that's the key that the wingnuts try to ignore. These loans are usually 5-6% interest. The government makes money on these deals as well as saving jobs. I think we also took stock in GM but I'm not sure what we paid for it but we probably got a good deal. But we'll make money when we sell the stock in a year or two.
I'm getting desperate for wingnuts to return to reality. They can like or dislike anything they want as long as there are decent and realistic reasons for it. For now they're just full of shit, fucking dishonest and absurdly stupid.

Apparently they're supposed to start paying back in earnest next year. It's easy for people to say "we shouldn't have done it" but I would like to see a model of what the effects would have been if GM collapsed. I mentioned earlier the ripple effect on suppliers, rail transport, dealership, repair, etc. Who would have provided warranty coverage for owners of new GM vehicles and what financial burden would have been placed on those entities.

633 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:35:03am

re: #627 Dark_Falcon

Let it out. You've got a right to be angry about abusive people like that. At the same time, remember to give yourself and your son credit: You have always refused to be a victim, and your son shares that refusal. Not only that, but you both have now taken the fight to the abusers, who by the time things get sorted out will be trying to figure out how Momma Bear and her cub mauled them so quickly.

I and a few other mothers fought like hell over one bully in the first grade. He was kicked out of school, and the state got involved. What a nightmare.

634 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:36:04am

re: #630 SixDegrees

And in Detroit, it is in excess of 25%.

Possibly far more.

Holy fuck. And I bitch that it's 12% here.

635 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:36:12am

re: #591 Killgore Trout

Link is busted but I'm already aware of the dishonest math from wingnut bloggers used to convince their stupid readers that creating jobs is a bad idea.

Heh, Carly Fiorina was quoted yesterday responding to Barbara Boxer's visit to a solar technology training center:

Which is a nerve Boxer's Republican opponent touched on Friday when her campaign criticized Boxer and the stimulus spending saying, "Such programs are of little use when small businesses are struggling, employers aren't hiring and there just aren't any jobs for graduates."

Nice. Just like the autoworkers, tell that to the trainees faces!

636 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:36:52am

re: #633 MandyManners

I and a few other mothers fought like hell over one bully in the first grade. He was kicked out of school, and the state got involved. What a nightmare.

How did that end up being resolved? Did he stay expelled?

637 Gus  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:37:57am

re: #631 RogueOne

Well, there you go then. If that's correct we will recoup all the money except those granted by the Bush administration. That would make Obama's moves (along with congress) shine in a better light.

638 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:40:03am

re: #636 Dark_Falcon

How did that end up being resolved? Did he stay expelled?

Yeah. Once a private school kicks you out, there is no amount of money that will get you reinstated.

639 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:40:52am

re: #628 Dark_Falcon

What happened? I'm not here weekday mornings these days, so I missed it.

I filed a protective order against the 30 yr old after going to his parole officer and the prosecutors office. The judge said it was a "sex offense" even though she is of age. I'm the guardian and they have to have my approval. I went to his employer and let them know they were liable for his behavior since he is a manager. I went to his landlord and let him know the guy he was renting to was allowing teenagers to drink and do drugs in his house. I made her quit her job. Then I told the guy everything I had done. I told him he still had a beating coming and that if he pushed me on this I would make sure he ended up on the sex offender registry and he wouldn't be allowed within a 1000 ft of a school or a chuck-e-cheeses for the rest of his life. It was a pretty fun week.

640 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:41:06am

re: #637 Gus 802

Well, there you go then. If that's correct we will recoup all the money except those granted by the Bush administration. That would make Obama's moves (along with congress) shine in a better light.

Not necessarily. I'd like to see the number behind that claim of Obama's. They may well not add up.

641 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:41:16am

re: #636 Dark_Falcon

How did that end up being resolved? Did he stay expelled?

And, this is a Christian school where contrition, forgiveness, redemption and reconcilliation are not just buzz words.

642 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:42:15am

re: #639 RogueOne

I filed a protective order against the 30 yr old after going to his parole officer and the prosecutors office. The judge said it was a "sex offense" even though she is of age. I'm the guardian and they have to have my approval. I went to his employer and let them know they were liable for his behavior since he is a manager. I went to his landlord and let him know the guy he was renting to was allowing teenagers to drink and do drugs in his house. I made her quit her job. Then I told the guy everything I had done. I told him he still had a beating coming and that if he pushed me on this I would make sure he ended up on the sex offender registry and he wouldn't be allowed within a 1000 ft of a school or a chuck-e-cheeses for the rest of his life. It was a pretty fun week.

I'd still press charges. But, I'm mean.

643 Gus  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:42:31am

re: #640 Dark_Falcon

Not necessarily. I'd like to see the number behind that claim of Obama's. They may well not add up.

All claims aside, we really won't know until they start paying back the loans which means we'll find it out in about 2 years.

644 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:42:35am

re: #632 Gus 802

Apparently they're supposed to start paying back in earnest next year. It's easy for people to say "we shouldn't have done it" but I would like to see a model of what the effects would have been if GM collapsed. I mentioned earlier the ripple effect on suppliers, rail transport, dealership, repair, etc. Who would have provided warranty coverage for owners of new GM vehicles and what financial burden would have been placed on those entities.

I would really like to see an economic model of what would have happened if we chose the Republican/Tea Party response to the economic crisis; No bailouts, no stimulus. How much of our financial infrastructure would have collapsed? What would a run on banks look like in the modern world? How far down would unemployment go? How would it affect economies around the world etc. Im pretty sure the Republican/Tea Party plan would have been close to catastrophic for the country.

645 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:42:41am

re: #637 Gus 802

Well, there you go then. If that's correct we will recoup all the money except those granted by the Bush administration. That would make Obama's moves (along with congress) shine in a better light.

If that happens I'll eat my hat. I'll have to buy one first so maybe that's their plan on stimulating the economy. Hat eating.

646 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:43:01am

re: #639 RogueOne

I filed a protective order against the 30 yr old after going to his parole officer and the prosecutors office. The judge said it was a "sex offense" even though she is of age. I'm the guardian and they have to have my approval. I went to his employer and let them know they were liable for his behavior since he is a manager. I went to his landlord and let him know the guy he was renting to was allowing teenagers to drink and do drugs in his house. I made her quit her job. Then I told the guy everything I had done. I told him he still had a beating coming and that if he pushed me on this I would make sure he ended up on the sex offender registry and he wouldn't be allowed within a 1000 ft of a school or a chuck-e-cheeses for the rest of his life. It was a pretty fun week.

Fuckin A RIGHT!!

647 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:43:33am

re: #639 RogueOne

I filed a protective order against the 30 yr old after going to his parole officer and the prosecutors office. The judge said it was a "sex offense" even though she is of age. I'm the guardian and they have to have my approval. I went to his employer and let them know they were liable for his behavior since he is a manager. I went to his landlord and let him know the guy he was renting to was allowing teenagers to drink and do drugs in his house. I made her quit her job. Then I told the guy everything I had done. I told him he still had a beating coming and that if he pushed me on this I would make sure he ended up on the sex offender registry and he wouldn't be allowed within a 1000 ft of a school or a chuck-e-cheeses for the rest of his life. It was a pretty fun week.

What 30-year old? I know almost nothing about this happening? Was he dating your sister-in-law?

648 Gus  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:45:55am

Bureau of Labor Statistics has an unemployment rate of 14.3 percent for the Detroit-Warren-Livonia, MI Metropolitan Statistical Area - June 2010.

[Link: www.bls.gov...]

Worst is El Centro, CA Metropolitan Statistical Area at 27.6 percent.

649 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:47:38am

re: #642 MandyManners

I'd still press charges. But, I'm mean.

Unless he contacts her in some way I can't yet. The first time he violates, because he's dumb and he will, it's a $500 fine to get out. The second time he violates they'll hold him until a trial which could be weeks. It will be at least his 3rd felony which will revoke his parole and add 5 yrs to his sentence and he'll be tossed back in prison where her brother has a surprise for him. I told my SiL that and she knows I'm not bluffing about her brother. She got a letter from him earlier this week and he's ashamed of himself for not being here, depressed that he can't really do anything about it, and angry all at the same time. He runs with a mexican gang in prison and he swears if the guy ever ends up in the system again he can get him.

650 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:47:44am

TPM is covering the Tea Party "diversity" showcase this weekend...
Preview: Today Is Tea Party Diversity Day -- Featuring Andrew Breitbart

Andrew Breitbart, the man who helped get Shirley Sherrod fired from the Department of Agriculture, will be among the voices tea party leaders rely on to reach out to minorities at a special rally in Philadelphia today. "Uni-Tea" kicks off this afternoon with speeches from several prominent African American conservatives as well as the trouble-making founder of Breitbart.com and BigGovernment.
...
TPM's Jillian Rayfield and I will be attendance at Uni-Tea today. Stay tuned for updates this afternoon.

651 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:47:52am

Stimulus.

652 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:49:24am

re: #649 RogueOne

I'm glad I'm on your good side.

653 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:49:47am

re: #647 Dark_Falcon

What 30-year old? I know almost nothing about this happening? Was he dating your sister-in-law?

Yeah. I had already blacked his eyes once and it stopped for maybe a month. She ended up having a panic attack and going to the hospital after he had given her drugs and alcohol. She went home for a visit and told her other sister about everything who promptly called my spouse and let her know the whole story.

654 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:50:04am

re: #651 Cannadian Club Akbar

I think that's a fair article.

655 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:50:51am

re: #652 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm glad I'm on your good side.

20 years ago they would have found his body in the weeds with his pants around his ankles. Sometimes I have anger control issues.

656 Gus  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:51:10am

re: #650 Killgore Trout

TPM is covering the Tea Party "diversity" showcase this weekend...
Preview: Today Is Tea Party Diversity Day -- Featuring Andrew Breitbart

Looks like they're going to also have HI-CALIBER amongst other musical guests. If I remember correctly that some birther/truther rap band we saw early last year.

657 SixDegrees  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:51:10am

re: #634 Cannadian Club Akbar

Holy fuck. And I bitch that it's 12% here.

This weeks Presidential visit is a rarity; even while campaigning, he stayed as far away from Detroit as possible, at a time when the Kilpatrick scandal was actively boiling and several other City Council members were under investigation. Add to all that the dismal economic failure that Detroit represents, and you wind up with a city that's got Presidential Eleven Foot Pole marks all over it, and a populace that's none too happy about being snubbed, or of being on the receiving end of policies widely viewed as dismal failures.

658 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:51:11am

re: #649 RogueOne

Unless he contacts her in some way I can't yet. The first time he violates, because he's dumb and he will, it's a $500 fine to get out. The second time he violates they'll hold him until a trial which could be weeks. It will be at least his 3rd felony which will revoke his parole and add 5 yrs to his sentence and he'll be tossed back in prison where her brother has a surprise for him. I told my SiL that and she knows I'm not bluffing about her brother. She got a letter from him earlier this week and he's ashamed of himself for not being here, depressed that he can't really do anything about it, and angry all at the same time. He runs with a mexican gang in prison and he swears if the guy ever ends up in the system again he can get him.

Good riddance to bad rubbish!

659 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:52:05am

re: #650 Killgore Trout

TPM is covering the Tea Party "diversity" showcase this weekend...
Preview: Today Is Tea Party Diversity Day -- Featuring Andrew Breitbart

And in other news, the Tea Party's Clue Meter is still reading zero. Inviting Breitbart would only make sense if they were going to let the crowd throw fruit and vegetables at him. If that were the case, I'd throw a pineapple.

660 What, me worry?  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:52:11am

re: #650 Killgore Trout

TPM is covering the Tea Party "diversity" showcase this weekend...
Preview: Today Is Tea Party Diversity Day -- Featuring Andrew Breitbart

That sounds like some kind of bad joke. "Breitbart heads Tea Party Diversity Day" Yikes!

Mornin Lizards.

661 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:52:22am

Gotta' go again.

662 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:53:02am

re: #644 Killgore Trout

I would really like to see an economic model of what would have happened if we chose the Republican/Tea Party response to the economic crisis; No bailouts, no stimulus. How much of our financial infrastructure would have collapsed? What would a run on banks look like in the modern world? How far down would unemployment go? How would it affect economies around the world etc. Im pretty sure the Republican/Tea Party plan would have been close to catastrophic for the country.

Thats sort of what Blinder and Zandhi were attempting to do with their recent paper based on fairly complex computer models - both shows the effect of the stimulus by showing what would have happened if we sat on our hands and did nothing.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

663 Henchman 26  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:53:44am

re: #589 Cannadian Club Akbar

I just ate a big breakfast an hour or so ago and I'm already hungry. Guess this is a good thing considering all the weight I have lost recently.

If you are looking for that lost weight, I have some of it here.

Morning folks.

664 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:55:26am

re: #662 Jeff In Ohio

Thats sort of what Blinder and Zandhi were attempting to do with their recent paper based on fairly complex computer models - both shows the effect of the stimulus by showing what would have happened if we sat on our hands and did nothing.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Thanks for that.

665 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:55:51am

re: #653 RogueOne

Yeah. I had already blacked his eyes once and it stopped for maybe a month. She ended up having a panic attack and going to the hospital after he had given her drugs and alcohol. She went home for a visit and told her other sister about everything who promptly called my spouse and let her know the whole story.

What a shithead. I do hope you're armed though, because he may try something. If you can, I suggest investment in a good home defense shotgun.

"defense' bolded to make clear I am not suggesting going after the person physically. I know you know that, but sometimes I need to add a disclaimer to prevent an intentional misreading by the Stalkers.

666 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:56:06am

re: #663 b_sharp

If you are looking for that lost weight, I have some of it here.

Morning folks.

15 pounds in a month. Going back to the scales next week. But it is hot here and I'm starting a food diary.

667 Henchman 26  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:56:11am

re: #596 Dark_Falcon

It's a Yahoo story Killgore; They're not a wingnut organization. What Rogue One is saying (and I agree with him) is that the GM bailout cost more than it was worth in terms of saving jobs. Further, I am intensely skeptical of any claim by the government to have created private sector jobs. Usually, it turns out they just either built up debt that may kill jobs when taxes are raised or service cut to repay said debt, or they just robbed Peter to pay Paul. Either way, I consider Obama claim on this score to be bullshit and would require proof beyond a reasonable doubt to convince me otherwise.

How many years will those jobs last?

You can't just take the amount of the bailout and divide by the number of immediate jobs and get a valid number.

668 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:57:19am

re: #659 Dark_Falcon

And in other news, the Tea Party's Clue Meter is still reading zero. Inviting Breitbart would only make sense if they were going to let the crowd throw fruit and vegetables at him. If that were the case, I'd throw a pineapple.

Fruit here, get your fruit!

How much are the tomatoes?

One dollar fresh, two dollars rotten....

(Runs outside with last years Halloween pumpkin....)

669 McSpiff  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:57:29am

re: #655 RogueOne

20 years ago they would have found his body in the weeds with his pants around his ankles. Sometimes I have anger control issues.

As long as he knows that possibility exists.

670 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:57:34am

re: #666 Cannadian Club Akbar

15 pounds in a month. Going back to the scales next week. But it is hot here and I'm starting a food diary.

"I'm almost down to a B cup".
Homer Simpson

671 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:57:37am

re: #661 MandyManners

Gotta' go again.

Flomax is the answer.

672 SixDegrees  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:58:22am

re: #662 Jeff In Ohio

Thats sort of what Blinder and Zandhi were attempting to do with their recent paper based on fairly complex computer models - both shows the effect of the stimulus by showing what would have happened if we sat on our hands and did nothing.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Are those the same models that accurately predicted the onset of the current recession?

Oh, wait...

Seriously, though - there aren't any good economic models. And in this case, both NPR and BBC news accurately claimed that while the Administration would certainly take note of this article and heavily promote it, the underlying models and the data fed into them was questionable at best.

In real life, the number of distinct economic predictions always exceeds the number of distinct economists making them. If I cared, it wouldn't take long to find other published work claiming exactly the opposite of what this does, and providing similarly compelling support.

Which is to say, not compelling at all.

673 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:58:52am

re: #667 b_sharp

How many years will those jobs last?

You can't just take the amount of the bailout and divide by the number of immediate jobs and get a valid number.

I don't know how long they'll last. But it seems a poor value to me in the short to mid term and it sets a bad long-term example. That's all I need to go after a program like that.

674 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 7:59:56am

re: #668 jamesfirecat

Fruit here, get your fruit!

How much are the tomatoes?

One dollar fresh, two dollars rotten...

(Runs outside with last years Halloween pumpkin...)

Nice Simpson's riff.

675 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:01:06am

re: #665 Dark_Falcon

What a shithead. I do hope you're armed though, because he may try something. If you can, I suggest investment in a good home defense shotgun.

"defense' bolded to make clear I am not suggesting going after the person physically. I know you know that, but sometimes I need to add a disclaimer to prevent an intentional misreading by the Stalkers.

I'm not worried about that pissant. He's completely ball-less. Plus, I have 2 dobes and a gun for my spouse.

676 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:02:24am

re: #675 RogueOne

I'm not worried about that pissant. He's completely ball-less. Plus, I have 2 dobes and a gun for my spouse.

Why? What did she do?
///

677 Henchman 26  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:03:39am

re: #634 Cannadian Club Akbar

Holy fuck. And I bitch that it's 12% here.

4.9% here.

678 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:04:01am

re: #677 b_sharp

4.9% here.

Alaska or ND?

679 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:04:44am

re: #678 RogueOne

Alaska or ND?

I'm going with Canada.

680 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:06:35am

re: #675 RogueOne

I'm not worried about that pissant. He's completely ball-less. Plus, I have 2 dobes and a gun for my spouse.

Good. Then I don't have to worry about you. Glad you're keeping your family safe. And I hope that scumbag gets the message and goes away and stays away, for his sake.

681 Henchman 26  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:07:35am

re: #666 Cannadian Club Akbar

15 pounds in a month. Going back to the scales next week. But it is hot here and I'm starting a food diary.

Any idea why?

682 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:08:17am

re: #679 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm going with Canada.

I say we give ND to Canada. I'm still pissed off about a bad chili dog I got at a DQ in Devils Lake 10 years ago. They don't even know what the hell a chili dog is. I should have taken the clue when the girl in drive-thru said "you mean you want me to put chili on your hot dog?" like she had never heard of such a thing, turned out she hadn't. Watery, semi-texas style chili poured all over my dog. Completely inedible.

683 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:08:18am

re: #681 b_sharp

Any idea why?

Either the heat or cancer.

684 Gus  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:08:44am

re: #672 SixDegrees

Are those the same models that accurately predicted the onset of the current recession?

Oh, wait...

Seriously, though - there aren't any good economic models. And in this case, both NPR and BBC news accurately claimed that while the Administration would certainly take note of this article and heavily promote it, the underlying models and the data fed into them was questionable at best.

In real life, the number of distinct economic predictions always exceeds the number of distinct economists making them. If I cared, it wouldn't take long to find other published work claiming exactly the opposite of what this does, and providing similarly compelling support.

Which is to say, not compelling at all.

Well. If it's not compelling then where the model or analysis which shows that doing nothing would have led to a better result?

In the end we have to deal with cards we are dealt with. That includes TARP and Stimulus I.

By the way, Alan Blinder is a professor at Princeton University and Mark Zandi is chief economist and founder of Moody's Economy.

See:

How the Great Recession Was Brought to an End
JULY 27, 2010

Prepared By
Alan S. Blinder
Gordon S. Rentschler Memorial Professor of Economics, Princeton University

Mark Zandi
Chief Economist, Moody’s Analytics

685 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:09:16am

re: #683 Cannadian Club Akbar

Either the heat or cancer.

I thought something had been eating at you.

686 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:10:03am

re: #672 SixDegrees

Are those the same models that accurately predicted the onset of the current recession?

Oh, wait...

Seriously, though - there aren't any good economic models. And in this case, both NPR and BBC news accurately claimed that while the Administration would certainly take note of this article and heavily promote it, the underlying models and the data fed into them was questionable at best.

In real life, the number of distinct economic predictions always exceeds the number of distinct economists making them. If I cared, it wouldn't take long to find other published work claiming exactly the opposite of what this does, and providing similarly compelling support.

Which is to say, not compelling at all.

Everything is fine if you take into consideration that Commerce Department made some small miscalculations in cyphering out the GDP.

"The Commerce Department, in revisions issued Friday, estimates the economy shrank 2.6 percent last year -- the steepest drop since 1946. That's worse than the 2.4 percent decline originally estimated."

[Link: finance.yahoo.com...]

So, since the administration didn't know things were worst then they appeared to be, the limits they set on the stimulus programs was probably too low.

The answer is simple. We need a new stimulus. News at 11:00.

687 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:10:03am

re: #685 RogueOne

I thought something had been eating at you.

Har!!

688 What, me worry?  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:11:22am

re: #659 Dark_Falcon

And in other news, the Tea Party's Clue Meter is still reading zero. Inviting Breitbart would only make sense if they were going to let the crowd throw fruit and vegetables at him. If that were the case, I'd throw a pineapple.

Smacked in the head with a pineapple, Breitbart still wouldn't know diversity.

THIS is diversity. I don't live in N. Miami, but this is my district and Galvin's getting my vote. He would be replacing Kendrick Meek in the House. He also worked for Meek's mom, Carrie when she was Representative.

689 Gus  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:11:44am

In other shocking news the Dow closed higher than the beginning of the week on Friday:

10465.94 -1.22‎ (-0.01%‎) Jul 30 4:02pm ET

This despite the dire news regarding the GDP. It only fell 1.22 points on Friday.

690 Henchman 26  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:11:50am

re: #673 Dark_Falcon

I don't know how long they'll last. But it seems a poor value to me in the short to mid term and it sets a bad long-term example. That's all I need to go after a program like that.

You end up arguing with all the Keynesians then.

According to them it was required.

691 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:13:10am

re: #688 marjoriemoon

I just got my ballot in the mail!! I am such a geek!!

692 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:15:12am

re: #690 b_sharp

You end up arguing with all the Keynesians then.

According to them it was required.

Actually, you'll wind up arguing with everyone other than the Austrian economists.

The idea of government spending during a recession is absolutely endorsed under every other school of finance other than the Austrian one, and according to the Austrian school the banks should have never behaved in the way that led to the meltdown in the first place.

693 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:15:55am

re: #687 Cannadian Club Akbar

Har!!

Cancer jokes ALWAYS kill

694 Nervous Norvous  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:16:40am

re: #693 RogueOne

Cancer jokes ALWAYS kill


Doctor: I have bad news. You have cancer and you have Alzheimers.
Patient: Well at least I don't have cancer.

695 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:16:45am

Drudge is linking to this today...
Will Washington's Failures Lead To Second American Revolution?

The Internet is a large-scale version of the "Committees of Correspondence" that led to the first American Revolution — and with Washington's failings now so obvious and awful, it may lead to another.
...
He (Obama) is undermining our constitutional traditions: The rule of law and our Anglo-Saxon concepts of private property hang in the balance. Obama may be the most "consequential" president ever.

The Wall Street Journal's steadfast Dorothy Rabinowitz wrote that Barack Obama is "an alien in the White House."
....
Opinion polls suggest that in the November mid-term elections, voters will replace the present Democratic majority in Congress with opposition Republicans — but that will not necessarily stop Obama.
....
A wounded rampaging president can do much damage — and, like Caesar, the evil he does will live long after he leaves office, whenever that may be.

The overgrown, un-pruned power of the presidency to reward, punish and intimidate may now be so overwhelming that his re-election in 2012 is already assured — Chicago-style.

Despite the usual revolutionary rhetoric wingnuts are now including more racial rhetoric. Since when is private property an exclusive "Anglo-Saxon" concept?

696 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:17:32am

re: #680 Dark_Falcon

Thanks. I hope he doesn't so I can have him arrested. I had his number blocked on her cell but I've removed it just in case he feels the need to call.

I want 'em dead!

Youtube Video

(best version I could find)

697 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:17:38am

re: #689 Gus 802

In other shocking news the Dow closed higher than the beginning of the week on Friday:

10465.94 -1.22‎ (-0.01%‎) Jul 30 4:02pm ET

This despite the dire news regarding the GDP. It only fell 1.22 points on Friday.

Despite the DOW closing higher then the beginning of the week, the job outlook grows dimmer...

"The nation’s economy has been growing for a year, with few new jobs to show for it. Now, with the government reporting a growth rate of just 2.4 percent in the second quarter and federal stimulus measures fading, the jobs outlook appears even more discouraging."

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

The stock market is not always the best metric for what is actually happening on the street, to the everyday people who don't have the money to gamble on wall street.

698 What, me worry?  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:18:23am

re: #691 Cannadian Club Akbar

I just got my ballot in the mail!! I am such a geek!!

Really? I should do that, but I like the whole voting experience. I just got a flyer for Galvin in the mail.

699 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:19:09am

re: #694 PT Barnum

Doctor: I have bad news. You have cancer and you have Alzheimers.
Patient: Well at least I don't have cancer.

Doctor call Mr. Smith: We have 2 Smiths that just left. One has AIDS and one has Alzheimers. So if your wife comes home, don't fuck her.

700 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:19:24am

Who are these hacks?

His bullying and offenses against the economy and job creation are so outrageous that CEOs in the Business Roundtable finally mustered the courage to call him "anti-business." Veteran Democrat Sen. Max Baucus blurted out that Obama is engineering the biggest government-forced "redistribution of income" in history.

I share many of the concerns these guys do, but come on. They sound shrill and over the top.

701 Gus  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:19:59am

re: #695 Killgore Trout

Drudge is linking to this today...
Will Washington's Failures Lead To Second American Revolution?

Despite the usual revolutionary rhetoric wingnuts are now including more racial rhetoric. Since when is private property an exclusive "Anglo-Saxon" concept?

WTF? They might as well have said WASP. And they mention some crazy quote about Obama being an "alien in the White House"? That's like something out of World Net Daily.

702 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:20:21am

re: #694 PT Barnum

re: #699 Cannadian Club Akbar

This thread has taken an ugly turn, I like it.

703 Nervous Norvous  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:20:24am

re: #700 BigPapa

Who are these hacks?

His bullying and offenses against the economy and job creation are so outrageous that CEOs in the Business Roundtable finally mustered the courage to call him "anti-business." Veteran Democrat Sen. Max Baucus blurted out that Obama is engineering the biggest government-forced "redistribution of income" in history.

I share many of the concerns these guys do, but come on. They sound shrill and over the top.

Redistribution for progressives: From haves to have nots
Redistribution for GOP: From have nots to haves.

704 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:20:32am

re: #698 marjoriemoon

Really? I should do that, but I like the whole voting experience. I just got a flyer for Galvin in the mail.

I like the "I voted" stickers. I put them on my TV. Not sure why.

705 Henchman 26  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:20:53am

re: #678 RogueOne

Alaska or ND?

Saskatchewan.

We're pretty small but the Oil and Potash business has drawn people from all over so our population has increased by about 6% in the last 5 years. The increased population has actually opened up new jobs.

706 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:20:57am

re: #695 Killgore Trout


Despite the usual revolutionary rhetoric wingnuts are now including more racial rhetoric. Since when is private property an exclusive "Anglo-Saxon" concept?

It also very much isn't an Anglo-Saxon idea. It was a Roman idea, it was a post-Norman idea in the UK, and definitely not an Anglo-Saxon idea.

In other news, WASP is a terribly inaccurate phrase.

707 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:21:02am

re: #695 Killgore Trout

Drudge is linking to this today...
Will Washington's Failures Lead To Second American Revolution?

Despite the usual revolutionary rhetoric wingnuts are now including more racial rhetoric. Since when is private property an exclusive "Anglo-Saxon" concept?

I was just reading that, and yes, that was another WTF? statement. Hack article.

708 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:21:10am

re: #702 RogueOne

re: #699 Cannadian Club Akbar

This thread has taken an ugly turn, I like it.

Why do you like it?

709 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:21:38am

re: #701 Gus 802

WTF? They might as well have said WASP. And they mention some crazy quote about Obama being an "alien in the White House"? That's like something out of World Net Daily.

Except it wasn't WND, as the article stated, it was the WSJ...

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

710 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:22:10am

re: #708 Obdicut

Why do you like it?

It's just a dark form of humor.

711 Henchman 26  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:22:12am

re: #683 Cannadian Club Akbar

Either the heat or cancer.

Have you had any tests yet?

712 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:22:15am

re: #701 Gus 802

WTF? They might as well have said WASP. And they mention some crazy quote about Obama being an "alien in the White House"? That's like something out of World Net Daily.

I googled the authors because it read like something from infowars or stormfront. They are regular contributors fro IBD and WJS. Behold the Murdoch empire.

713 Gus  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:22:34am

re: #697 Walter L. Newton

Despite the DOW closing higher then the beginning of the week, the job outlook grows dimmer...

"The nation’s economy has been growing for a year, with few new jobs to show for it. Now, with the government reporting a growth rate of just 2.4 percent in the second quarter and federal stimulus measures fading, the jobs outlook appears even more discouraging."

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

The stock market is not always the best metric for what is actually happening on the street, to the everyday people who don't have the money to gamble on wall street.

Well I guess we'll all have to wait until the super-rich (and that includes financial institutions) in this country decide that it's OK to start investing in business that would create jobs. Until then, I'm broke and they're still living higher then the Kings of old England and the railroad magnates of yore.

714 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:22:38am

re: #704 Cannadian Club Akbar

I like the "I voted" stickers. I put them on my TV. Not sure why.

Refrigerator here!

715 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:22:47am

re: #710 Cannadian Club Akbar

It's just a dark form of humor.

I like it.

716 Nervous Norvous  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:22:52am

Guy goes to his doctor and says Doc, you gotta help me..my penis has turned all kinds of colors.

The doctor takes a look and says, "Oh dear, you need to have a penidectomy right away!"

The guy says I want a second opinion. So he goes to a urologist. The doctor says..I think we can wait a week before doing anything.

The guy says " You mean I'll be cured?"

The urologist says "No, it'll just fall off by itself."

717 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:22:57am

re: #688 marjoriemoon

Smacked in the head with a pineapple, Breitbart still wouldn't know diversity.

THIS is diversity. I don't live in N. Miami, but this is my district and Galvin's getting my vote. He would be replacing Kendrick Meek in the House. He also worked for Meek's mom, Carrie when she was Representative.

He sounds like a good man, but I'd still vote for the Republican unless the latter was a crazy wingnut. I much prefer a mediocre conservative to a excellent liberal, but I'm fairly partisan.

718 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:22:59am

re: #711 b_sharp

Have you had any tests yet?

No. I'm gonna wait another week before panicking.

719 Gus  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:23:23am

re: #709 Walter L. Newton

Except it wasn't WND, as the article stated, it was the WSJ...

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

OK... News Corp.

Sounds like something we'd here from "Fox and Friends."

720 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:23:28am

re: #717 Dark_Falcon

Does denying AGW make someone a crazy wingnut to you yet, Dark?

721 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:23:49am

re: #714 Stanley Sea

Refrigerator here!

Well, you're just weird!!
/

722 Gus  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:23:57am

In other breaking news I still feel like merde.

723 What, me worry?  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:23:59am

re: #695 Killgore Trout

Drudge is linking to this today...
Will Washington's Failures Lead To Second American Revolution?

Despite the usual revolutionary rhetoric wingnuts are now including more racial rhetoric. Since when is private property an exclusive "Anglo-Saxon" concept?

Anglo-Saxon = Us Privileged White People.

So much for diversity.

724 Nervous Norvous  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:24:46am

re: #722 Gus 802

In other breaking news I still feel like merde.

Do you want me to go to the store and get you some?

Or are you just soft and squishy and smell bad?

725 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:25:36am

re: #706 Obdicut

In other news, WASP is a terribly inaccurate phrase.

W.A.S.P.

Youtube Video
726 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:26:27am

re: #725 RogueOne

In other news, WASP is a terribly inaccurate phrase.

W.A.S.P.

[Video]

I liked their "Who" cover.

727 Gus  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:26:38am

re: #724 PT Barnum

Do you want me to go to the store and get you some?

Or are you just soft and squishy and smell bad?

I might need to go to the veterinarian. First I went through a week without coffee. Now I just went through almost 5 days without any booze. Maybe that's it. I should have a shot of whiskey.

728 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:26:39am

re: #725 RogueOne

I much prefer old-school.

Youtube Video
729 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:27:26am

re: #713 Gus 802

Well I guess we'll all have to wait until the super-rich (and that includes financial institutions) in this country decide that it's OK to start investing in business that would create jobs. Until then, I'm broke and they're still living higher then the Kings of old England and the railroad magnates of yore.

Yes they are, we can agree on that. They are not spending on jobs, they are taking advantage of the situation and sitting on their money (including the banks who outright got handouts from all the taxpayers).

It was just on the radio this morning, so I don't have any links, but companies like Microsoft (they had a whole list of industry leaders) are sitting on billions right now, and the reporter could only get Caterpillar to admit that they will be spending that money on some new hiring. The other companies had no comment.

730 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:27:31am

re: #727 Gus 802

I might need to go to the veterinarian. First I went through a week without coffee. Now I just went through almost 5 days without any booze. Maybe that's it. I should have a shot of whiskey.

Dude. I got both. Knock 3 times.

731 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:27:37am

re: #720 Obdicut

Does denying AGW make someone a crazy wingnut to you yet, Dark?

You need to catch up, I though you were joking at first but I think you might be confused. I referenced these 2 posts:

re: #694 PT Barnum

Doctor: I have bad news. You have cancer and you have Alzheimers.
Patient: Well at least I don't have cancer.

re: #699 Cannadian Club Akbar

Doctor call Mr. Smith: We have 2 Smiths that just left. One has AIDS and one has Alzheimers. So if your wife comes home, don't fuck her.

732 What, me worry?  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:27:45am

re: #717 Dark_Falcon

He sounds like a good man, but I'd still vote for the Republican unless the latter was a crazy wingnut. I much prefer a mediocre conservative to a excellent liberal, but I'm fairly partisan.

I was worried who would take Meek's seat, but I'm familiar with this guy. He's come to some of our local meetings. He also worked for Carrie Meek during the time I needed her office, twice in fact, so he was most likely responsible or at least partly responsible for helping me.

But then I'm a crazy Dem Lib all the way :)

733 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:28:29am

re: #731 RogueOne

What are you talking about? That was a post to Dark Falcon, not you.

734 Gus  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:29:28am

BRB

735 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:29:42am

re: #700 BigPapa

Who are these hacks?

His bullying and offenses against the economy and job creation are so outrageous that CEOs in the Business Roundtable finally mustered the courage to call him "anti-business." Veteran Democrat Sen. Max Baucus blurted out that Obama is engineering the biggest government-forced "redistribution of income" in history.

I share many of the concerns these guys do, but come on. They sound shrill and over the top.

They think they'll make gains by throwing red meat to the wingnuts. What articles like that really do is throw coal on the fire. You can make the case that Obama is economically illiterate (as I believe him to be) without being inflammatory.

736 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:31:56am

re: #733 Obdicut

What are you talking about? That was a post to Dark Falcon, not you.

Oooh yeah, I thought you were riffing off the "dark humor".

737 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:31:58am

re: #735 Dark_Falcon

They think they'll make gains by throwing red meat to the wingnuts. What articles like that really do is throw coal on the fire. You can make the case that Obama is economically illiterate (as I believe him to be) without being inflammatory.

President Obama knows economics like I know quilting.

738 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:32:50am

re: #720 Obdicut

Does denying AGW make someone a crazy wingnut to you yet, Dark?

No, because I know people who deny AGW but who are politically quite sane. I'd simply say they are lot in denier fog and I try to help them out of it.

739 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:33:11am

On the subject of the stimulus:

The all-Republican, all-conservative leadership of my company had a series of meetings with us to explain our earnings forecasts in the light of the stimulus. They're honest men and women.

They very straightforwardly talked about the positive effects the stimulus would have on the economy, mostly with an emphasis on how it would effect consumer purchasing.

The idea that the stimulus was not a good idea-- that government spending in a deep recession is not a good idea-- really is a fringe view in economic circles. It's a fringe view highly popularized by the right wing at the moment; that doesn't make it less of a fringe view.

There is definitely room for criticism about the particular expenditures, but a lot of the basics are no-brainers.

And that is according to our nearly disgustingly Republican CEO, a man who has the vanity plate on his Bentley that says "LEARJET".

740 Henchman 26  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:33:44am

re: #718 Cannadian Club Akbar

No. I'm gonna wait another week before panicking.

That's a lot of weight to lose in such a short time. It's not likely to be heat, unless you had one hell of a lot of water weight.

If you are afraid it is cancer, then don't wait. If you are over 40, at least get a PSA done.

741 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:34:10am

The discussion about Obama/Recession seems to usually revert to 'do something' or 'do nothing.' Maybe it's the vitriol but something needed to be done, it's a matter of what and how much.

742 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:35:26am

re: #738 Dark_Falcon

No, because I know people who deny AGW but who are politically quite sane. I'd simply say they are lot in denier fog and I try to help them out of it.

How can you be politically sane while denying AGW at this point? I don't get it. Before the CRU fake scandal, maybe, but that turned it heavily political; anyone who's looked into it in the least, seen the CRU scientists cleared by every investigation, and had any talk with any actual scientist, knows that AGW is real.

The only way someone can remain a denier is by rejecting science and scientists-- and I don't see how that isn't a political stance. And a crazy one. One that has been going on for far too long in this country, and that is weakening us day by day.

743 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:35:31am

re: #729 Walter L. Newton

Yes they are, we can agree on that. They are not spending on jobs, they are taking advantage of the situation and sitting on their money (including the banks who outright got handouts from all the taxpayers).

It was just on the radio this morning, so I don't have any links, but companies like Microsoft (they had a whole list of industry leaders) are sitting on billions right now, and the reporter could only get Caterpillar to admit that they will be spending that money on some new hiring. The other companies had no comment.

Why should they do differently right now? From the perspective of a large corporation, now is not a time they want things to improve. Better to wait for a more friendly Congress after the mid-terms.

744 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:35:34am

re: #735 Dark_Falcon

They think they'll make gains by throwing red meat to the wingnuts. What articles like that really do is throw coal on the fire. You can make the case that Obama is economically illiterate (as I believe him to be) without being inflammatory.

I think it's the mainstreaming of rhetoric I was predicting two years ago that you would hear. Predicting it to the point that Charles suggested that I was becoming too inflammatory. So, I toned it down. I wasn't support this option (as these writers appear to be doing), but I was pointing out that from what I was hearing on the "street" so to speak, that there were real possibilities of outbreaks like this actually happening in the next 15-20 years.

It may be inflammatory, it may be reactionary, but complaining about it, calling it crazy, trying to pigeon-hole the idea as this or that is not going to stop what I see has been building for years.

745 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:36:41am

re: #740 b_sharp

That's a lot of weight to lose in such a short time. It's not likely to be heat, unless you had one hell of a lot of water weight.

If you are afraid it is cancer, then don't wait. If you are over 40, at least get a PSA done.

I drink on average of 2 gallons of water a day.

746 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:37:20am

re: #745 Cannadian Club Akbar

I drink on average of 2 gallons of water a day.

Have you had yourself checked for diabetes recently? Serious question.

747 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:38:08am

re: #742 Obdicut

How can you be politically sane while denying AGW at this point? I don't get it. Before the CRU fake scandal, maybe, but that turned it heavily political; anyone who's looked into it in the least, seen the CRU scientists cleared by every investigation, and had any talk with any actual scientist, knows that AGW is real.

The only way someone can remain a denier is by rejecting science and scientists-- and I don't see how that isn't a political stance. And a crazy one. One that has been going on for far too long in this country, and that is weakening us day by day.

The people I know don't post here and they haven't had the exposure to the facts that I've had. It's also a scary, massive issue, so i give people the years that it took for me to come around. Because until last year, I myself was a Denier.

748 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:38:27am

re: #746 Obdicut

Have you had yourself checked for diabetes recently? Serious question.

A couple years ago. Negative. And I also know when my sugar gets low.

749 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:38:31am

Thunderstorm rolling through. Sounds great but the lights just flickered.

750 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:39:03am

re: #744 Walter L. Newton

I think it's the mainstreaming of rhetoric I was predicting two years ago that you would hear. Predicting it to the point that Charles suggested that I was becoming too inflammatory. So, I toned it down. I wasn't support this option (as these writers appear to be doing), but I was pointing out that from what I was hearing on the "street" so to speak, that there were real possibilities of outbreaks like this actually happening in the next 15-20 years.

It may be inflammatory, it may be reactionary, but complaining about it, calling it crazy, trying to pigeon-hole the idea as this or that is not going to stop what I see has been building for years.

Agreed. So what action do you propose?

751 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:39:28am

re: #743 Dark_Falcon

Why should they do differently right now? From the perspective of a large corporation, now is not a time they want things to improve. Better to wait for a more friendly Congress after the mid-terms.

F*** them and f*** the de-regulating representatives / senator who got us into this mess in the first place.

752 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:39:33am

re: #748 Cannadian Club Akbar

A couple years ago. Negative. And I also know when my sugar gets low.

Also know when my electrolytes are low.

753 Henchman 26  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:40:52am

re: #745 Cannadian Club Akbar

I drink on average of 2 gallons of water a day.

Why?

I drink 3 litres and that is plenty.

754 Henchman 26  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:41:54am

re: #748 Cannadian Club Akbar

A couple years ago. Negative. And I also know when my sugar gets low.

What happens when your sugar gets low?

I get weak and the shakes.

755 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:42:30am

re: #753 b_sharp

Why?

I drink 3 litres and that is plenty.

I work in heat. And I only drink abot 1 Pepsi a day.

756 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:42:34am

re: #747 Dark_Falcon

The people I know don't post here and they haven't had the exposure to the facts that I've had. It's also a scary, massive issue, so i give people the years that it took for me to come around. Because until last year, I myself was a Denier.

I just think if someone is a denier, at this point, you have to ask why they are that way. They can be that way through ignorance-- which I find immensely hard to forgive in a politician in this case, given how important the issue is.

They can also be that way because they accept the mainstream rhetoric from the right-wing these days-- and that mainstream rhetoric is ugly, ugly shit these days, which would mean that person was influenced by a lot of other nasty crap.

They can also be that way out of a rejection of science and/or scientists, either from a religious point of view or a muddled anti-elitist point of view, either of which I no longer have any patience for. We need science. We are letting our lead in scientific endeavors slip away from us, and, even putting AGW and the need to be world leaders in solving it aside, we will lose our primacy in the world if we lose or scientific edge.

The most forgiving explanation for a politician denying AGW these days is that he's ignorant and hasn't bothered to correct his ignorance, despite the enormity of the issue. That is still, to me, a gigantic black mark against them.

757 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:42:56am

re: #754 b_sharp

What happens when your sugar gets low?

I get weak and the shakes.

Me to.

758 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:43:09am

re: #748 Cannadian Club Akbar

A couple years ago. Negative. And I also know when my sugar gets low.

Okay. Long as you're looking out for yourself.

759 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:46:08am

re: #758 Obdicut

Okay. Long as you're looking out for yourself.

I mowed a yard so I could buy "Grey s Anatomy" when I was 11. Worked had in hand with a dietitian staring at 16.

760 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:46:38am

re: #759 Cannadian Club Akbar

starting, pimf.

761 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:48:17am

re: #756 Obdicut

I just think if someone is a denier, at this point, you have to ask why they are that way. They can be that way through ignorance-- which I find immensely hard to forgive in a politician in this case, given how important the issue is.

They can also be that way because they accept the mainstream rhetoric from the right-wing these days-- and that mainstream rhetoric is ugly, ugly shit these days, which would mean that person was influenced by a lot of other nasty crap.

They can also be that way out of a rejection of science and/or scientists, either from a religious point of view or a muddled anti-elitist point of view, either of which I no longer have any patience for. We need science. We are letting our lead in scientific endeavors slip away from us, and, even putting AGW and the need to be world leaders in solving it aside, we will lose our primacy in the world if we lose or scientific edge.

The most forgiving explanation for a politician denying AGW these days is that he's ignorant and hasn't bothered to correct his ignorance, despite the enormity of the issue. That is still, to me, a gigantic black mark against them.

I hear you, but I've decided a moderate approach is needed: Emphasize the studies, demolish talking points, and talk it through with people to find free-market solutions. Most of the people I speak to about politics in real life are on the right, so this approach is my attempt to get AGW's foot in the door without being written off as having drunk the left's Kool Aid.

762 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:48:41am

re: #756 Obdicut


The most forgiving explanation for a politician denying AGW these days is that he's ignorant and hasn't bothered to correct his ignorance, despite the enormity of the issue. That is still, to me, a gigantic black mark against them.

I understand your reasoning and it is sound, but I have a reservation against being a single issue voter. My position is similar to DF: if everything else is sound about a candidate and they haven't come around on AGW yet, I might still vote for them.

If they're of faith and a creationist, I might vote for them if they will clearly state that it does not belong in the classroom.

This may depend on local vs regional vs national candidates too: a local person not believing in AGW is of less consequence to the issue, yet a Senator is.

763 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:49:14am

re: #759 Cannadian Club Akbar

I mowed a yard so I could buy "Grey s Anatomy" when I was 11. Worked had in hand with a dietitian staring at 16.

I also haven't had a cold or flu in 13 years.

764 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:49:38am

re: #755 Cannadian Club Akbar

I work in heat. And I only drink abot 1 Pepsi a day.

So, have you picked up some Pepsi Throwback yet? There a production run of it out now.

765 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:51:31am

re: #764 Dark_Falcon

So, have you picked up some Pepsi Throwback yet? There a production run of it out now.

No. I drink Pepsi with dinner. So no biggie. But I do love Sierra Mist Diet.

766 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:53:17am

re: #761 Dark_Falcon

I hear you, but I've decided a moderate approach is needed: Emphasize the studies, demolish talking points, and talk it through with people to find free-market solutions. Most of the people I speak to about politics in real life are on the right, so this approach is my attempt to get AGW's foot in the door without being written off as having drunk the left's Kool Aid.

I'm in the same position. Maintaining engagement on most is the best path to turn the tide.

767 Henchman 26  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:53:28am

re: #755 Cannadian Club Akbar

I work in heat. And I only drink abot 1 Pepsi a day.

Sorry to keep harping on this, but I've lost several family members, and my dad walks around with a bag of piss tied to his leg because of cancer so I get a bit concerned when the subject is brought up.

Objectively I don't know you, I've never talked to you in person and I'm only familiar with your online persona through written words but subjectively I have developed emotional ties to the regular posters, some I dislike, some I like but I would also like to kick their butts on occasion, and the rest I like and respect.

I really, really, do no want anyone here to go through the hell of cancer.

768 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:55:02am

re: #767 b_sharp

Me either. And cancer runs in my family.

769 Henchman 26  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:56:03am

re: #757 Cannadian Club Akbar

Me to.

Funny thing is, if I drink lots of fluids, it happens less frequently.
I'm not sure why water would affect my sugar level as much as it does.

770 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:56:06am

re: #765 Cannadian Club Akbar

No. I drink Pepsi with dinner. So no biggie. But I do love Sierra Mist Diet.

It's great, that's a fact. But do give the Sugar-sweetened Pepsi a try. It's very good.

771 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:56:17am

I just can't see Rand Paul winning in Kentucky. But I'm askerd he might. If he would just keep talking...

772 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 8:57:24am

re: #750 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. So what action do you propose?

I don't have an answer. In my opinion, it's not simple. We certainly have a class system that has set up in this country, the political elite, special interest and big business and the rest of us. Sure, we've always had that, from almost day one, but now it has become intrenched (in my opinion) to a point that it's not something that you just "vote" away... ain't going to happen.

I don't know... how to you stop a political elite that has almost totally lost touch with the citizens, who see power and money as their only goal, how do you stop special interest and big business who fuel those political ambitions with the needed gelt and how do the citizens do anything about it, when our "vote" simply shuffles the deck, but we are using the same old dirty deck?

I guess that's just what some people are starting to ask, and unfortunately, you're going to get answers we don't want to hear, answers that go against the grain of what we stand for. That's the body politic, that's human nature.

We'll see.

773 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:01:27am

re: #769 b_sharp

Funny thing is, if I drink lots of fluids, it happens less frequently.
I'm not sure why water would affect my sugar level as much as it does.

It might be your electrolytes. Go to a local GNC (or whatever) and buy a supplement. We have stuff here. Can't remember the name. Electro Water or something. Do you cramp?

774 What, me worry?  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:02:34am

re: #771 BigPapa

I just can't see Rand Paul winning in Kentucky. But I'm askerd he might. If he would just keep talking...

You're not supposed to point. You're supposed to curl your index finger in, just sticking your knuckle out. Palin had a huge problem with this during the campaign. Obviously her handlers kept telling her about it because she'd start out pointing and then remember and pull that finger back in.

I look at stupid crap like that.

775 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:04:22am

re: #772 Walter L. Newton

I don't have an answer. In my opinion, it's not simple. We certainly have a class system that has set up in this country, the political elite, special interest and big business and the rest of us. Sure, we've always had that, from almost day one, but now it has become intrenched (in my opinion) to a point that it's not something that you just "vote" away... ain't going to happen.

I don't know... how to you stop a political elite that has almost totally lost touch with the citizens, who see power and money as their only goal, how do you stop special interest and big business who fuel those political ambitions with the needed gelt and how do the citizens do anything about it, when our "vote" simply shuffles the deck, but we are using the same old dirty deck?

I guess that's just what some people are starting to ask, and unfortunately, you're going to get answers we don't want to hear, answers that go against the grain of what we stand for. That's the body politic, that's human nature.

We'll see.

Well, for me personally the answer to that is to make sure I stay useful to those in power. I'm not the kind to revolt, much preferring a diminished role under a oligarchy to a upheaval.

776 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:06:52am

re: #774 marjoriemoon

You're not supposed to point. You're supposed to curl your index finger in, just sticking your knuckle out. Palin had a huge problem with this during the campaign. Obviously her handlers kept telling her about it because she'd start out pointing and then remember and pull that finger back in.

I look at stupid crap like that.

Clinton had that stuff down: he would point with his thumb tucked in on top of his fist.

You're also not supposed to say stupid shit LOL.

Paul favors eliminating the Department of Education. But when asked about its funding, he recommends, "send it back to the states," leaving unclear how that would reduce federal deficits.

777 albusteve  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:07:15am

re: #772 Walter L. Newton

I don't have an answer. In my opinion, it's not simple. We certainly have a class system that has set up in this country, the political elite, special interest and big business and the rest of us. Sure, we've always had that, from almost day one, but now it has become intrenched (in my opinion) to a point that it's not something that you just "vote" away... ain't going to happen.

I don't know... how to you stop a political elite that has almost totally lost touch with the citizens, who see power and money as their only goal, how do you stop special interest and big business who fuel those political ambitions with the needed gelt and how do the citizens do anything about it, when our "vote" simply shuffles the deck, but we are using the same old dirty deck?

I guess that's just what some people are starting to ask, and unfortunately, you're going to get answers we don't want to hear, answers that go against the grain of what we stand for. That's the body politic, that's human nature.

We'll see.

tax revolt...of course that's illegal tho
I don't think there is a solution, the problems are too massive...the best to hope for is for some evolutionary process that brings us back to a more even balance between the govt and electorate...taking a knee is not the answer

778 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:07:29am

re: #775 Dark_Falcon

Well, for me personally the answer to that is to make sure I stay useful to those in power. I'm not the kind to revolt, much preferring a diminished role under a oligarchy to a upheaval.

I believe you.

I'm not rallying for either/or... or what. I was just giving you some gut feeling, from a local perspective, what I hear, feel, gather from the "street," from local community forums. Like I said above, I've smelled this stink for a couple of years now.

779 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:08:11am

re: #771 BigPapa

I just can't see Rand Paul winning in Kentucky. But I'm askerd he might. If he would just keep talking...

It's Kentucky. My guess is he wins handily.

780 What, me worry?  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:09:13am

re: #776 BigPapa

Clinton had that stuff down: he would point with his thumb tucked in on top of his fist.

You're also not supposed to say stupid shit LOL.

Paul favors eliminating the Department of Education. But when asked about its funding, he recommends, "send it back to the states," leaving unclear how that would reduce federal deficits.

Well then there's that!

The Dept of Ed thing is where his libertarian is showing.

781 Henchman 26  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:10:08am

re: #773 Cannadian Club Akbar

It might be your electrolytes. Go to a local GNC (or whatever) and buy a supplement. We have stuff here. Can't remember the name. Electro Water or something. Do you cramp?

I'm not sure. I seem to have IBS where fluids aren't recovered correctly by my intestinal tract and I get severe intestinal pains on occasion. I also noticed the weakness and shakes is at its worst when that happens.

782 What, me worry?  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:12:18am

re: #776 BigPapa

Clinton had that stuff down: he would point with his thumb tucked in on top of his fist.

Oh hey, Chelsea's getting married today?

783 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:13:02am

re: #772 Walter L. Newton


I don't know... how to you stop a political elite that has almost totally lost touch with the citizens, who see power and money as their only goal, how do you stop special interest and big business who fuel those political ambitions with the needed gelt and how do the citizens do anything about it, when our "vote" simply shuffles the deck, but we are using the same old dirty deck?

Walter, that's a cynical take on it. I console myself by realizing that wealthy and powerful people aren't really that smart. I work for many of them: it amazes me at times how stupid and ignorant many of them can be. Some of them are really good people.

They are more like us than unlike us.

784 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:13:14am

re: #781 b_sharp

Ok. Cramping is muscles. What you are talking about you do actually need to see a doctor.

785 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:13:59am

re: #782 marjoriemoon

Oh hey, Chelsea's getting married today?

And I making a cake for myself that cost 4 bucks!!

786 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:14:15am

re: #783 BigPapa

Walter, that's a cynical take on it. I console myself by realizing that wealthy and powerful people aren't really that smart. I work for many of them: it amazes me at times how stupid and ignorant many of them can be. Some of them are really good people.

They are more like us than unlike us.

There was green alligators and long-necked geese
Some humpty backed camels and some chimpanzees
Some cats and rats and elephants, but sure as you're born
The loveliest of all was the unicorn

787 What, me worry?  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:15:25am

re: #785 Cannadian Club Akbar

And I making a cake for myself that cost 4 bucks!!

And he bakes too?? You're a keeper.

788 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:15:53am

re: #780 marjoriemoon

The Dept of Ed thing is where his libertarian is showing.

I don't know if it's a libertarian thing as much as a kookitarian thing. I've been wondering if I'm libertarian for the last several months... and deleting the Dept of Ed. seems like moving back to the gold standard to me.

789 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:16:34am

re: #783 BigPapa

Walter, that's a cynical take on it. I console myself by realizing that wealthy and powerful people aren't really that smart. I work for many of them: it amazes me at times how stupid and ignorant many of them can be. Some of them are really good people.

They are more like us than unlike us.

Stupid and ignorant has never been a career killer for the political elite. And the stupid and ignorant good ones unfortunately are too stupid and ignorant to do anything about anything.

They are nothing like us... and they don't want to be.

790 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:16:45am

re: #788 BigPapa

Most libertarians are kooks, these days. It had a glimmer of sanity back in the day, but it's mainly attracted people who like their political theory really, really simple.

791 Henchman 26  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:16:46am

re: #784 Cannadian Club Akbar

Ok. Cramping is muscles. What you are talking about you do actually need to see a doctor.

Probably.

792 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:17:11am

re: #787 marjoriemoon

And he bakes too?? You're a keeper.

I gots me a new girl friend!!
/woot!

793 darthstar  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:17:24am

re: #786 Walter L. Newton

There was green alligators and long-necked geese
Some humpty backed camels and some chimpanzees
Some cats and rats and elephants, but sure as you're born
The loveliest of all was the unicorn

When I was a kid, the Irish Rovers would come to our house when they played in our town - My mother knew a few of them as kids, apparently... Long drunken singing nights those were when they visited.

794 Henchman 26  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:18:07am

re: #792 Cannadian Club Akbar

I gots me a new girl friend!!
/woot!

Get a room you two.

795 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:18:43am

re: #781 b_sharp

I'm not sure. I seem to have IBS where fluids aren't recovered correctly by my intestinal tract and I get severe intestinal pains on occasion. I also noticed the weakness and shakes is at its worst when that happens.

My wife has IBS. Sucks.

796 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:19:55am

re: #781 b_sharp

I'm not sure. I seem to have IBS where fluids aren't recovered correctly by my intestinal tract and I get severe intestinal pains on occasion. I also noticed the weakness and shakes is at its worst when that happens.

Dude, I have an idea that I'd really like you to try. I have the same thing and this really helped me. Buy a lot of ginger next time you're at the store. I mean a lot of ginger. Slice up a cue ball sized chunk of ginger and brew it with some tea. It should have a very strong ginger taste. It will taste very spicy but you'll get used to it. A couple glasses of this for a few days will straighten you out.
I'm not a big fan of herbal remedies but this really works, it's cheap, it's good for you and doesn't require a trip to the doctor.

797 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:20:22am

re: #793 darthstar

When I was a kid, the Irish Rovers would come to our house when they played in our town - My mother knew a few of them as kids, apparently... Long drunken singing nights those were when they visited.

Neat...

When The Who stayed at my place, they use to trash my treehouse. Dad had to repair it 3 times.

798 albusteve  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:20:36am

re: #795 Aceofwhat?

My wife has IBS. Sucks.

pot would help I bet

799 What, me worry?  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:21:12am

re: #788 BigPapa

I don't know if it's a libertarian thing as much as a kookitarian thing. I've been wondering if I'm libertarian for the last several months... and deleting the Dept of Ed. seems like moving back to the gold standard to me.

Libertarian is really far right. It's not about simply making changes in government, but eliminating whole departments. Very Ayn Rand-ish.

800 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:21:25am

re: #798 albusteve

pot would help I bet

is there anything pot doesn't help?

801 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:21:39am

re: #796 Killgore Trout

Dude, I have an idea that I'd really like you to try. I have the same thing and this really helped me. Buy a lot of ginger next time you're at the store. I mean a lot of ginger. Slice up a cue ball sized chunk of ginger and brew it with some tea. It should have a very strong ginger taste. It will taste very spicy but you'll get used to it. A couple glasses of this for a few days will straighten you out.
I'm not a big fan of herbal remedies but this really works, it's cheap, it's good for you and doesn't require a trip to the doctor.

Grated ginger is also good in rice and sauces.

802 albusteve  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:21:40am

re: #797 Walter L. Newton

Neat...

When The Who stayed at my place, they use to trash my treehouse. Dad had to repair it 3 times.

Kieth and Mick wrecked my pad, but left me all the girls....that was years ago of course

803 albusteve  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:21:56am

re: #800 Aceofwhat?

is there anything pot doesn't help?

ambition

804 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:22:13am

I'm proud of The Kid. The punk didn't face-mask him today but, he continually berated him about his Bronco's jersey and a few other things. Finally, The Kid screamed, "SHUT THE FUCK UP, YOU FUCKING BULLY!" The punk took a swing at him, my son ducked and then shoved him on his ass. Both were benched, The Kid for five minutes for his language and the punk for 10 for his actions and haranguing. Woot.

805 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:22:50am

re: #803 albusteve

ambition

He h (to lazy for the last H)

806 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:23:16am

re: #803 albusteve

ambition

nice

807 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:23:34am

re: #804 MandyManners

I'm proud of The Kid. The punk didn't face-mask him today but, he continually berated him about his Bronco's jersey and a few other things. Finally, The Kid screamed, "SHUT THE FUCK UP, YOU FUCKING BULLY!" The punk took a swing at him, my son ducked and then shoved him on his ass. Both were benched, The Kid for five minutes for his language and the punk for 10 for his actions and haranguing. Woot.

Good for him.

808 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:23:37am

re: #792 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #795 Aceofwhat?

re: #794 b_sharp

re: #796 Killgore Trout

I'm going to be the killjoy here. If you have ANY apparent chronic problems with your stomach or bowels, get to a fucking doctor, get scoped, have then do the Fantastic Voyage thing from from one end to the other.

Don't fuck around with this sort of discomfort. I know too many dead people who took anti-acids right to the grave with them, thinking it will be alright.

Get checked... period. Rant off.

809 albusteve  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:25:01am

re: #804 MandyManners

I'm proud of The Kid. The punk didn't face-mask him today but, he continually berated him about his Bronco's jersey and a few other things. Finally, The Kid screamed, "SHUT THE FUCK UP, YOU FUCKING BULLY!" The punk took a swing at him, my son ducked and then shoved him on his ass. Both were benched, The Kid for five minutes for his language and the punk for 10 for his actions and haranguing. Woot.

ahhh...practice
you have to take a stand
football is life!

810 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:25:23am

re: #808 Walter L. Newton

re: #795 Aceofwhat?

re: #794 b_sharp

re: #796 Killgore Trout

I'm going to be the killjoy here. If you have ANY apparent chronic problems with your stomach or bowels, get to a fucking doctor, get scoped, have then do the Fantastic Voyage thing from from one end to the other.

Don't fuck around with this sort of discomfort. I know too many dead people who took anti-acids right to the grave with them, thinking it will be alright.

Get checked... period. Rant off.

nothing wrong with the rant. my wife already went there...nothing bad, just good old-fashioned IBS.

811 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:26:33am

re: #644 Killgore Trout

I would really like to see an economic model of what would have happened if we chose the Republican/Tea Party response to the economic crisis; No bailouts, no stimulus. How much of our financial infrastructure would have collapsed? What would a run on banks look like in the modern world? How far down would unemployment go? How would it affect economies around the world etc. Im pretty sure the Republican/Tea Party plan would have been close to catastrophic for the country.

But what would that have meant for Republican/Tea Party fortunes if that collapse had occurred under the Obama Administration with the Democrats in control of majority in both halves of Congress?

Isn't that what is more important?

/

812 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:26:54am

re: #804 MandyManners

I'm proud of The Kid. The punk didn't face-mask him today but, he continually berated him about his Bronco's jersey and a few other things. Finally, The Kid screamed, "SHUT THE FUCK UP, YOU FUCKING BULLY!" The punk took a swing at him, my son ducked and then shoved him on his ass. Both were benched, The Kid for five minutes for his language and the punk for 10 for his actions and haranguing. Woot.

I didn't give him the nickname of "Grizzly Cub" without reason. I'm glad he's doing standing up for himself.

813 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:27:06am

re: #810 Aceofwhat?

I think it started with me talking about my weight loss. My bad.

814 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:27:11am

re: #807 Cannadian Club Akbar

Good for him.

I hope this is the end of the bullying.

815 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:27:34am

re: #810 Aceofwhat?

nothing wrong with the rant. my wife already went there...nothing bad, just good old-fashioned IBS.

Then another rant... IBS is sometimes a convenient catch all for "we don't know what the problem is." Make sure she keeps getting checked every 6 months or a year or so.

Please.

816 Henchman 26  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:27:58am

re: #796 Killgore Trout

Dude, I have an idea that I'd really like you to try. I have the same thing and this really helped me. Buy a lot of ginger next time you're at the store. I mean a lot of ginger. Slice up a cue ball sized chunk of ginger and brew it with some tea. It should have a very strong ginger taste. It will taste very spicy but you'll get used to it. A couple glasses of this for a few days will straighten you out.
I'm not a big fan of herbal remedies but this really works, it's cheap, it's good for you and doesn't require a trip to the doctor.

I'll give it a shot.

817 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:28:16am

re: #814 MandyManners

I hope this is the end of the bullying.

If not, tell The Kid to punch him in the nose.

818 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:28:17am

re: #809 albusteve

ahhh...practice
you have to take a stand
football is life!

Damn skippy.

819 What, me worry?  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:29:18am

re: #804 MandyManners

I'm proud of The Kid. The punk didn't face-mask him today but, he continually berated him about his Bronco's jersey and a few other things. Finally, The Kid screamed, "SHUT THE FUCK UP, YOU FUCKING BULLY!" The punk took a swing at him, my son ducked and then shoved him on his ass. Both were benched, The Kid for five minutes for his language and the punk for 10 for his actions and haranguing. Woot.

I am so happy I don't have to go through that stuff anymore. It's brutal. Poor Kid. Although now, I just deal with nasty women who gossip behind your back. Maybe I could knock them down?

Vacationing this week with the fam, SiL #2 doesn't have any kids and generally loves using the F word. Well we all get in the elevator and it's packed. Someone says to me "Stick in your butt or the door won't close". So I start singing "Ya put your left butt in, you put your left butt out" and swinging my behind. You know, to entertain the kids. One of the mothers (a friend of SiL #1) says "We don't say 'butt' in front of the children." And I'm thinking SiL #2 said Fuck at least a dozen times already and no one yelled at her!

I get no respect. No respect at all :p

820 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:29:21am

re: #812 Dark_Falcon

I didn't give him the nickname of "Grizzly Cub" without reason. I'm glad he's doing standing up for himself.

I don't like the language he used but, it got his point across.

821 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:30:01am

re: #817 Cannadian Club Akbar

If not, tell The Kid to punch him in the nose.

Nope. Whoever starts the violence is at fault.

822 albusteve  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:30:01am

re: #814 MandyManners

I hope this is the end of the bullying.

one day the Kid will take one for the Bully and they will become best friends, go into business and make millions

823 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:30:39am

re: #819 marjoriemoon

Fuck that!!
/

824 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:32:34am

re: #819 marjoriemoon

I am so happy I don't have to go through that stuff anymore. It's brutal. Poor Kid. Although now, I just deal with nasty women who gossip behind your back. Maybe I could knock them down?

Vacationing this week with the fam, SiL #2 doesn't have any kids and generally loves using the F word. Well we all get in the elevator and it's packed. Someone says to me "Stick in your butt or the door won't close". So I start singing "Ya put your left butt in, you put your left butt out" and swinging my behind. You know, to entertain the kids. One of the mothers (a friend of SiL #1) says "We don't say 'butt' in front of the children." And I'm thinking SiL #2 said Fuck at least a dozen times already and no one yelled at her!

I get no respect. No respect at all :p

ROFLMAO!!!

Seriously, I don't use that word around The Kid but he's picked it up somewhere. Last summer's football camp gave him just loverly euphemisms for testicles.

825 Henchman 26  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:32:50am

re: #808 Walter L. Newton

re: #795 Aceofwhat?

re: #794 b_sharp

re: #796 Killgore Trout

I'm going to be the killjoy here. If you have ANY apparent chronic problems with your stomach or bowels, get to a fucking doctor, get scoped, have then do the Fantastic Voyage thing from from one end to the other.

Don't fuck around with this sort of discomfort. I know too many dead people who took anti-acids right to the grave with them, thinking it will be alright.

Get checked... period. Rant off.

I went through that 20 years ago, but it's probably time for another trip.

826 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:33:12am

re: #822 albusteve

one day the Kid will take one for the Bully and they will become best friends, go into business and make millions

Stranger things happen!

827 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:34:04am

re: #821 MandyManners

Nope. Whoever starts the violence is at fault.

Agreed. And besides, slugging someone in the nose is a bad idea. Broken bones can mean criminal charges. Knock the asshole down if he takes a swing at you, by all means. But its best to avoid serious injury unless the scumbag comes at you with a weapon, in which case all bets are off.

828 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:34:25am

re: #824 MandyManners

ROFLMAO!!!

Seriously, I don't use that word around The Kid but he's picked it up somewhere. Last summer's football camp gave him just loverly euphemisms for testicles.

Nads?
Hairy bean bags?
Nuts?
My boys?
I could go on!!!

829 What, me worry?  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:34:25am

re: #824 MandyManners

ROFLMAO!!!

Seriously, I don't use that word around The Kid but he's picked it up somewhere. Last summer's football camp gave him just loverly euphemisms for testicles.

LOL Well, it is better for him to use his words, even if they aren't the best words. At least he didn't hit first.

830 Henchman 26  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:34:43am

re: #813 Cannadian Club Akbar

I think it started with me talking about my weight loss. My bad.

Don't be silly. This group does more than just argue and yell at each other.

831 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:34:46am

re: #827 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. And besides, slugging someone in the nose is a bad idea. Broken bones can mean criminal charges. Knock the asshole down if he takes a swing at you, by all means. But its best to avoid serious injury unless the scumbag comes at you with a weapon, in which case all bets are off.

yep. that's why God created the solar plexus...

832 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:35:04am

re: #830 b_sharp

Don't be silly. This group does more than just argue and yell at each other.

go screw yourself/

833 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:36:05am

re: #828 Cannadian Club Akbar

Nads?
Hairy bean bags?
Nuts?
My boys?
I could go on!!!

James Westphal and Dr. Kenneth Noisewater?

834 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:36:09am

re: #827 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. And besides, slugging someone in the nose is a bad idea. Broken bones can mean criminal charges. Knock the asshole down if he takes a swing at you, by all means. But its best to avoid serious injury unless the scumbag comes at you with a weapon, in which case all bets are off.

Well, we're not at that level. Thank goodness.

835 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:36:35am

re: #828 Cannadian Club Akbar

Nads?
Hairy bean bags?
Nuts?
My boys?
I could go on!!!

I bet you could.

836 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:36:56am

re: #833 Aceofwhat?

James Westphal and Dr. Kenneth Noisewater?

OK. I'll ask. Huh?

837 albusteve  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:37:05am

re: #826 MandyManners

Stranger things happen!

my boys best two friends in the world are a couple of mates he played football with for ten years....one played at AZ State and now plays semi pro hockey, the other played QB at WMU and went into coaching...my kid opted out for pre med....sports are important, especially football on several levels....you'll see

838 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:37:31am

re: #835 MandyManners

I bet you could.

Nadsack. OK. I'll stop.

839 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:37:51am

re: #829 marjoriemoon

LOL Well, it is better for him to use his words, even if they aren't the best words. At least he didn't hit first.

He didn't hit. He shoved. He didn't just shove. He shoved him onto his ass. A boy that's a lot bigger.

840 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:38:12am

re: #799 marjoriemoon

Libertarian is really far right. It's not about simply making changes in government, but eliminating whole departments. Very Ayn Rand-ish.

Parts are very far right and parts are very far left. Philosophy of government is pretty far right and socially/foreign policy issues are pretty far left.

841 Henchman 26  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:38:16am

re: #832 Aceofwhat?

go screw yourself/

See?

842 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:38:37am

re: #836 Cannadian Club Akbar

OK. I'll ask. Huh?

movie reference...i'm disappointed in you...

843 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:38:55am

re: #831 Aceofwhat?

yep. that's why God created the solar plexus...

*oof*

844 Targetpractice  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:39:28am

Afternoon, fellow lizards. What's the good word?

845 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:39:43am

re: #842 Aceofwhat?

movie reference...i'm disappointed in you...

I haven't seen a movie in 10 years.

846 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:39:44am

re: #834 MandyManners

Well, we're not at that level. Thank goodness.

Indeed. Hopefully, between you and your son you've made it clear to the asshole family that continuing to trying to bully you two will just lead to pain, not gratification. That'll stop many bullies.

847 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:40:00am

re: #833 Aceofwhat?

James Westphal and Dr. Kenneth Noisewater?

Is that what you kids are calling them nowadays?

848 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:40:05am

re: #844 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Afternoon, fellow lizards. What's the good word?

TESTICLES!!!!

849 Henchman 26  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:40:25am

re: #844 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Afternoon, fellow lizards. What's the good word?

Intestinal fortitude.

850 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:40:51am

re: #837 albusteve

my boys best two friends in the world are a couple of mates he played football with for ten years...one played at AZ State and now plays semi pro hockey, the other played QB at WMU and went into coaching...my kid opted out for pre med...sports are important, especially football on several levels...you'll see

Oh, I know quite a bit about it. It's about character.

851 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:41:12am

re: #838 Cannadian Club Akbar

Nadsack. OK. I'll stop.

*snort*

852 Targetpractice  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:41:25am

re: #848 Cannadian Club Akbar

TESTICLES!!!

*Zips his fly*

/

853 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:41:44am

re: #844 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Afternoon, fellow lizards. What's the good word?

Mandy and her son gave a bullying mother and her son the what-for.

854 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:42:00am

re: #844 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Afternoon, fellow lizards. What's the good word?

Testicles.

855 RogueOne  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:42:18am

Enjoy the day all.

856 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:42:31am

re: #852 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

*Zips his fly*

/

Carefully I hope?

857 Targetpractice  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:42:41am

re: #853 Dark_Falcon

Mandy and her son gave a bullying mother and her son the what-for.

Fuckin' A!

858 What, me worry?  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:42:51am

re: #840 RogueOne

Parts are very far right and parts are very far left. Philosophy of government is pretty far right and socially/foreign policy issues are pretty far left.

Can you give me an example of far left?

859 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:42:52am

re: #846 Dark_Falcon

Indeed. Hopefully, between you and your son you've made it clear to the asshole family that continuing to trying to bully you two will just lead to pain, not gratification. That'll stop many bullies.

The mom got a verbal smack-down yesterday and her bullying son got a literal one tdoay. I hope they've learned.

860 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:42:57am

re: #837 albusteve

my boys best two friends in the world are a couple of mates he played football with for ten years...one played at AZ State and now plays semi pro hockey, the other played QB at WMU and went into coaching...my kid opted out for pre med...sports are important, especially football on several levels...you'll see

couldn't agree more. learning to balance the time commitments of academics and sports teaches time management, dedication, etc, etc. show me two resumes with the same GPA and equal credentials except for sports participation, and i automatically favor the individual who demonstrated a broader range of success.

861 albusteve  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:43:10am

re: #850 MandyManners

Oh, I know quite a bit about it. It's about character.

Friday Night Football is a thing to behold...and our teams were pretty damned good

862 Targetpractice  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:43:11am

re: #856 Cannadian Club Akbar

Carefully I hope?

...*high-pitched voice*...call a paramedic.

863 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:43:12am

re: #848 Cannadian Club Akbar

TESTICLES!!!

SMTA.

864 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:43:41am

re: #849 b_sharp

Intestinal fortitude.

Testicular fortitude.

865 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:43:53am

re: #862 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

...*high-pitched voice*...call a paramedic.

How did yo get the beans over the Frank?

866 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:44:20am

This is terrible... Charles Rangel says he did nothing wrong, yet President Obama implies that he should end his career.

[Link: www.politico.com...]

No Charlie, fight to the end...

867 Targetpractice  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:44:33am

re: #865 Cannadian Club Akbar

How did yo get the beans over the Frank?

...you don't wanna know.

/

868 Targetpractice  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:45:31am

re: #866 Walter L. Newton

This is terrible... Charles Rangel says he did nothing wrong, yet President Obama implies that he should end his career.

[Link: www.politico.com...]

No Charlie, fight to the end...

He's survived this long, perhaps he's bettin' on the river that these charges will just go away.

869 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:45:31am

re: #867 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

...you don't wanna know.

/

Stretchy...

870 albusteve  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:45:42am

re: #860 Aceofwhat?

couldn't agree more. learning to balance the time commitments of academics and sports teaches time management, dedication, etc, etc. show me two resumes with the same GPA and equal credentials except for sports participation, and i automatically favor the individual who demonstrated a broader range of success.

my boy won the Senior Athlete/Scholar Award from the US Army...fuckinA!
I'll brag about that one anyday

871 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:46:04am

re: #870 albusteve

my boy won the Senior Athlete/Scholar Award from the US Army...fuckinA!
I'll brag about that one anyday

wow. that's tough stuff.

872 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:46:12am

re: #861 albusteve

Friday Night Football is a thing to behold...and our teams were pretty damned good

I think I'm learning why professional football players always give their moms a shout-out on camera.

873 blueraven  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:46:58am

re: #860 Aceofwhat?

couldn't agree more. learning to balance the time commitments of academics and sports teaches time management, dedication, etc, etc. show me two resumes with the same GPA and equal credentials except for sports participation, and i automatically favor the individual who demonstrated a broader range of success.

What about other team efforts...debate etc. Are they equal to sports?
I am really curious. My daughter played a lot of team sports but my son really didn't. He was/is more into wake skating and water sports.

874 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:47:16am

re: #872 MandyManners

I think I'm learning why professional football players always give their moms a shout-out on camera.

Why? Because they gave birth? Big deal.
//Shout out to my mom

875 albusteve  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:47:17am

re: #866 Walter L. Newton

This is terrible... Charles Rangel says he did nothing wrong, yet President Obama implies that he should end his career.

[Link: www.politico.com...]

No Charlie, fight to the end...

I want to see the IRS on his lying fat ass....having fun yet, Charlie?

876 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:47:22am

re: #866 Walter L. Newton

This is terrible... Charles Rangel says he did nothing wrong, yet President Obama implies that he should end his career.

[Link: www.politico.com...]

No Charlie, fight to the end...

Isn't Maxine "socialize" Waters in deep doo-doo, too?

877 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:47:56am

re: #869 Cannadian Club Akbar

Stretchy...

*boing*

878 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:48:20am

re: #876 MandyManners

Isn't Maxine "socialize" Waters in deep doo-doo, too?

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

879 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:48:23am

re: #870 albusteve

my boy won the Senior Athlete/Scholar Award from the US Army...fuckinA!
I'll brag about that one anyday

Utterly awesome!!!

880 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:48:46am

re: #874 Cannadian Club Akbar

Why? Because they gave birth? Big deal.
//Shout out to my mom

Oh, you.

881 albusteve  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:49:10am

re: #872 MandyManners

I think I'm learning why professional football players always give their moms a shout-out on camera.

hell yeah!....there were two of us but we had two kids....the best years of my life and I'd do it all again in a NY second.....
where's the kleenex?

882 Henchman 26  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:49:49am

re: #877 MandyManners

*boing*

Puppetry of the Penis

Probably NSFW

883 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:50:11am

re: #878 Cannadian Club Akbar

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Was it "big oil" or the banking industry she wanted to "socialize"?

884 What, me worry?  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:50:22am

re: #865 Cannadian Club Akbar

How did yo get the beans over the Frank?

LOL I prefer the "twig and berries" euphemism.

885 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:50:37am

re: #881 albusteve

hell yeah!...there were two of us but we had two kids...the best years of my life and I'd do it all again in a NY second...
where's the kleenex?

You're a dude. Use sandpaper.
/

886 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:50:40am

re: #881 albusteve

hell yeah!...there were two of us but we had two kids...the best years of my life and I'd do it all again in a NY second...
where's the kleenex?

*right here*

887 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:51:06am

re: #883 MandyManners

Was it "big oil" or the banking industry she wanted to "socialize"?

YES!!

888 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:51:39am

re: #887 Cannadian Club Akbar

YES!!

Big oil.

889 albusteve  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:51:45am

re: #873 blueraven

What about other team efforts...debate etc. Are they equal to sports?
I am really curious. My daughter played a lot of team sports but my son really didn't. He was/is more into wake skating and water sports.

football is different....it's a lot of exhausting work and the contact...the essence of the game is managed violence, knocking the next guy on his ass....my boy was utterly addicted

890 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:52:10am

re: #873 blueraven

What about other team efforts...debate etc. Are they equal to sports?
I am really curious. My daughter played a lot of team sports but my son really didn't. He was/is more into wake skating and water sports.

To me, when i'm interviewing a high-potential individual for a position that is a stepping-stone to bigger and better things with the organization, i'm impressed by breadth and diversity in a background.

So a philosophy major who participated on the debate team...eh. That person never left their comfort zone. But a Chemical Engineer who participated on the debate team? Now that's interesting...analytical prowess + verbal competition. I'm always more impressed by someone who took pains to be well-rounded, all other credentials being equal.

891 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:52:12am

re: #882 b_sharp

Probably NSFW

That is a riot! Thanks for sharing.

892 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:53:36am

re: #888 Cannadian Club Akbar

Big oil.

Well, then we wouldn't have BP's ass to kick around.

893 What, me worry?  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:53:40am

re: #882 b_sharp

Probably NSFW

LOL That's some funny stuff!

894 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:54:39am

re: #892 MandyManners

Well, then we wouldn't have BP's ass to kick around.

That woman is stooid.

895 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:54:46am

re: #889 albusteve

football is different...it's a lot of exhausting work and the contact...the essence of the game is managed violence, knocking the next guy on his ass...my boy was utterly addicted

Managed violence sums it up. It is just this side of warfare. Pure testosterone on display.

896 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:55:48am

Great. Now I have to rearrange MyListTM.

897 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:56:37am

re: #894 Cannadian Club Akbar

That woman is stooid.

One of the 2,000 or so links I lost a few weeks ago was the video of her going on and on about "socializing" big oil. The others in the room had a hard time not laughing out loud.

898 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:57:21am

re: #896 Cannadian Club Akbar

Great. Now I have to rearrange MyListTM.

Your testicles?

899 blueraven  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:57:39am

re: #890 Aceofwhat?

To me, when i'm interviewing a high-potential individual for a position that is a stepping-stone to bigger and better things with the organization, i'm impressed by breadth and diversity in a background.

So a philosophy major who participated on the debate team...eh. That person never left their comfort zone. But a Chemical Engineer who participated on the debate team? Now that's interesting...analytical prowess + verbal competition. I'm always more impressed by someone who took pains to be well-rounded, all other credentials being equal.

Thanks, that's good to know. My son is a film/photography/graphic arts type. He does a lot of documentary type filming that involve water sports. But he was also on the debate team and has great writing skills.

900 What, me worry?  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:57:40am

Ok I have to get somewhat productive... catch you lizards later.

901 albusteve  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:58:06am

re: #890 Aceofwhat?

To me, when i'm interviewing a high-potential individual for a position that is a stepping-stone to bigger and better things with the organization, i'm impressed by breadth and diversity in a background.

So a philosophy major who participated on the debate team...eh. That person never left their comfort zone. But a Chemical Engineer who participated on the debate team? Now that's interesting...analytical prowess + verbal competition. I'm always more impressed by someone who took pains to be well-rounded, all other credentials being equal.

both my kids had work resumes from age twelve, and also volunteered at various different things...my daughters resume folder is at least two inches thick, back to her very first baby sitting job and the safety cert that she got before she started....I'm a hack...dumb as a rock, stubborn and unpredictable...but my kids are the perfect dream come true...go figure

902 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:58:18am

re: #897 MandyManners

She is America's Chavez. Danny Glover and Oliver Stone probably loves her.

903 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:58:33am

afternoon all

:-)

904 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:58:42am

re: #883 MandyManners

Was it "big oil" or the banking industry she wanted to "socialize"?

She's in hot water over aid to a bank that had her husband on its board. She'll probably refuse any deals and turn an ethics trial into a screaming match. I hope she does, anyway. I love it when "Kerosene Maxine" blows up in public; It allows such wonderful tarring of the Democrats.

905 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:59:02am

re: #898 MandyManners

Your testicles?

No. They are fine.

906 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:59:44am

I've got to go. BBL

907 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:00:29am

re: #903 wozzablog

afternoon all

:-)

Don't be deceived by what you see. All is good here.:)

908 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:00:32am

re: #902 Cannadian Club Akbar

She is America's Chavez. Danny Glover and Oliver Stone probably loves her.

What's her stance on Israel?

909 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:01:27am

re: #904 Dark_Falcon

She's in hot water over aid to a bank that had her husband on its board. She'll probably refuse any deals and turn an ethics trial into a screaming match. I hope she does, anyway. I love it when "Kerosene Maxine" blows up in public; It allows such wonderful tarring of the Democrats.

She certainly has a mouth.

Kerosene Maxine? I've never heard that one.

910 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:01:52am

re: #905 Cannadian Club Akbar

No. They are fine.

Good to hear.

911 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:02:07am

re: #906 Dark_Falcon

I've got to go. BBL

Later, sweet tater!

912 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:04:25am

re: #910 MandyManners

Good to hear.

Wanna see 'em? Just kidding. Looking up Mad Max's thoughts on Israel.

913 Targetpractice  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:04:35am

re: #904 Dark_Falcon

She's in hot water over aid to a bank that had her husband on its board. She'll probably refuse any deals and turn an ethics trial into a screaming match. I hope she does, anyway. I love it when "Kerosene Maxine" blows up in public; It allows such wonderful tarring of the Democrats.

Between her and Charlie, it's almost like the leadership is cleaning house, tossing them over the gunwale while there's still time to save face.

914 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:04:47am

re: #899 blueraven

Thanks, that's good to know. My son is a film/photography/graphic arts type. He does a lot of documentary type filming that involve water sports. But he was also on the debate team and has great writing skills.

also, keep in mind that i'm primarily on the interview team for management development positions at a company in the manufacturing/logistics/supply-chain industry...if your son is going to enter a more specific line of work, like film/photography/graphic arts, then i imagine that his credentials would center more heavily on his accomplishments and talent in those areas.

so make sure to take my experience and thoughts with huge grain of salt! we believe that a diverse group of individuals with diverse backgrounds and varied interests are the recipe for a successful and caring management team...but i have no experience hiring graphic artists or photographers!

915 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:05:42am

re: #901 albusteve

both my kids had work resumes from age twelve, and also volunteered at various different things...my daughters resume folder is at least two inches thick, back to her very first baby sitting job and the safety cert that she got before she started...I'm a hack...dumb as a rock, stubborn and unpredictable...but my kids are the perfect dream come true...go figure

talk about hidden genetic potential/

916 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:07:04am

re: #913 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Between her and Charlie, it's almost like the leadership is cleaning house, tossing them over the gunwale while there's still time to save face.

but...i thought this was the party of anti-corruption/

917 blueraven  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:09:13am

re: #914 Aceofwhat?

also, keep in mind that i'm primarily on the interview team for management development positions at a company in the manufacturing/logistics/supply-chain industry...if your son is going to enter a more specific line of work, like film/photography/graphic arts, then i imagine that his credentials would center more heavily on his accomplishments and talent in those areas.

so make sure to take my experience and thoughts with huge grain of salt! we believe that a diverse group of individuals with diverse backgrounds and varied interests are the recipe for a successful and caring management team...but i have no experience hiring graphic artists or photographers!

Got it. But I do think you make a good point about diversity, all other things being equal.

918 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:09:36am

re: #912 Cannadian Club Akbar

Wanna see 'em? Just kidding. Looking up Mad Max's thoughts on Israel.

She's pro-BDS.

The obligation to respond is felt most intensely among Black Americans, who have experienced apartheid at home and fought successfully against it in Africa - but who are represented in public offices by abject cowards. Thirty members of the Congressional Black Caucus shamed themselves and us by endorsing a Resolution affirming the Jewish State's "right to defend itself against attacks from Gaza" and absolving Israel of any blame for the slaughter. Seven Black lawmakers sought cover in voting "present" - as if that would cloak their slavish fear of the Israel lobby - while only two voted Nay: Reps. Maxine Waters (D-CA) and Gwen Moore (D-WS).

919 Targetpractice  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:09:59am

re: #916 Aceofwhat?

but...i thought this was the party of anti-corruption/

Yeah, that's what one side of Nancy's mouth has been saying, while the other has been making excuses for Charlie up til now.

920 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:10:44am

re: #916 Aceofwhat?

but...i thought this was the party of anti-corruption/

Transparent. Thanks Nancy!!

921 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:12:22am

re: #918 MandyManners

I came across that think but didn't post because I wanted something more. The early bird gets the worm.

922 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:14:27am

All politicians can bite me. Buncha slugs.

923 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:14:47am

re: #917 blueraven

Got it. But I do think you make a good point about diversity, all other things being equal.

In my humble opinion, it is a cornerstone of a world-class organization. The more diverse the management team, in every aspect, the more likely they'll be to see obstacles from different angles, uncover hidden opportunities for improvement, and relate, with professionalism and compassion, to the staff and customers.

The dividends of diversity are more than worth the effort...it's sad that more organizations haven't drawn the same conclusion without having to be prodded.

924 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:16:07am

re: #921 Cannadian Club Akbar

I came across that think but didn't post because I wanted something more. The early bird gets the worm.

What more could one hope to say about someone's opinion about Israel than she doesn't believe Israel has a right to defend itself?

925 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:16:43am

re: #922 Cannadian Club Akbar

All politicians can bite me. Buncha slugs.

Call Kilgore. He's a frog-rancher!

926 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:20:30am

re: #925 MandyManners

Call Kilgore. He's a frog-rancher!

Kinda like a cat herder?

Youtube Video
927 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:20:34am

gots to dissapear, bbl

928 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:25:44am

re: #926 Cannadian Club Akbar

Kinda like a cat herder?

[Video]

Oh, delightful!

Wasn't EDS Ross Perot's company?

929 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:29:00am

re: #928 MandyManners

Oh, delightful!

Wasn't EDS Ross Perot's company?

Not sure. But he gave Clinton the vote in 1992. And also Bush 41 didn't want it.

930 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:30:02am

re: #928 MandyManners

Oh, delightful!

Wasn't EDS Ross Perot's company?

Yes. I worked for EDS 1975-1979

931 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:32:12am

re: #930 reine.de.tout

Yes. I worked for EDS 1975-1979

You had a job in 1975? Jst sayin'.
///not the face!! not the face!!!

932 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:32:26am

Fantastic Four #52, July 1966: Introducing the Black Panther

A little know fact

The Fantastic Four actually started out as the Fantastic FIVE, but in a contract dispute the Fifth member, PUBLICITYHOUNDMAN decided to quit after he didn't get top billing!

(or maybe not!)

933 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:34:47am

re: #931 Cannadian Club Akbar

You had a job in 1975? Jst sayin'.
///not the face!! not the face!!!

har-de-har-har.

I was in college.

934 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:34:53am

re: #932 sattv4u2

Fantastic Four #52, July 1966: Introducing the Black Panther

A little know fact

The Fantastic Four actually started out as the Fantastic FIVE, but in a contract dispute the Fifth member, PUBLICITYHOUNDMAN decided to quit after he didn't get top billing!

(or maybe not!)

I was the 5th Beatle.

935 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:35:42am

re: #934 Cannadian Club Akbar

I was the 5th Beatle.

Didn't survive the RAID, huh!?!?

936 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:36:34am

re: #933 reine.de.tout

har-de-har-har.

I was in college.

We must be about the same vintage!

937 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:36:53am

re: #931 Cannadian Club Akbar

You had a job in 1975? Jst sayin'.
///not the face!! not the face!!!

*shakes cane*

938 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:38:00am

re: #937 MandyManners

*shakes cane*

in bed, and Able is jealous!

939 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:39:08am

re: #935 sattv4u2

Didn't survive the RAID, huh!?!?

There was Bingo, Bango, Bongo and Irving. Then me.

940 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:40:05am

re: #939 Cannadian Club Akbar

There was Bingo, Bango, Bongo and Irving. Then me.

If I were you, I would have bopped Bingo with Bongo's bango!

941 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:41:06am

SO ,, anyone here invited to and going to Chelsea Clintons wedding?

Anyone ,,, anyone!!!

Bueller!!?!

942 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:42:30am

re: #941 sattv4u2

SO ,, anyone here invited to and going to Chelsea Clintons wedding?

Anyone ,,, anyone!!!

Bueller!!?!

I'm baking a $4 cake.

943 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:44:53am

re: #941 sattv4u2

SO ,, anyone here invited to and going to Chelsea Clintons wedding?

Anyone ,,, anyone!!!

Bueller!!?!

Remember all the hoopla from Jenna Bush's wedding? Me neither.

944 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:45:24am

re: #942 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm baking a $4 cake.

That, and a $49,996 present just might get you in!

945 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:46:12am

re: #943 Cannadian Club Akbar

Remember all the hoopla from Jenna Bush's wedding? Me neither.

I think they had the reception at the local Elks Lodge and was catered by Chic Fil A !

946 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:47:35am

re: #945 sattv4u2

I think they had the reception at the local Elks Lodge and was catered by Chic Fil A !

Chicken and pickles. Nothing better.

947 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:52:20am

This Week in Baseball should be on soon. If they don't feature Matt Garza's no hitter I will sit here sommore.

948 blueraven  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:53:02am

re: #943 Cannadian Club Akbar

Remember all the hoopla from Jenna Bush's wedding? Me neither.

I think the people of Crawford, TX would beg to differ.
It looked like a lovely wedding.

949 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:54:02am

re: #948 blueraven

I think the people of Crawford, TX would beg to differ.
It looked like a lovely wedding.

I'm talking about the press.

950 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:54:59am

Holy crap, Macafee actually let me uninstall it.

They've improved.

951 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:55:37am

re: #950 Obdicut

Holy crap, Macafee actually let me uninstall it.

They've improved.

It's Saturday

Maybe they're short staffed and were looking the other way!!
/

952 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:56:23am

re: #949 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm talking about the press.

[Link: www.google.com...]

The memory is the first to go.

953 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:57:14am

re: #952 Stanley Sea

[Link: www.google.com...]

The memory is the first to go.

Second.:(

954 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:58:51am

re: #949 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm talking about the press.

That's straight from Politico. Just read their article comparing the two.

Deep.

955 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 10:59:31am

re: #952 Stanley Sea

[Link: www.google.com...]

The memory is the first to go.

220,000 hits

By just substituting the words Chelsea Clinton where you had Jenna Bush results in 14,700,000 hits

Yup,, ZACCLY the same !!

956 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 11:00:28am

re: #955 sattv4u2

220,000 hits

By just substituting the words Chelsea Clinton where you had Jenna Bush results in 14,700,000 hits

Yup,, ZACCLY the same !!

DEEP!

957 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 11:00:29am

re: #952 Stanley Sea

[Link: www.google.com...]

The memory is the first to go.

And then there's this...
[Link: www.politico.com...]

958 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 11:01:37am

re: #956 Stanley Sea

DEEP!

It goes to CCA's point!

959 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 11:01:41am

I went through Rhinebeck back in June. I think it's somewhat more accessible than Crawford... ;)

960 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 11:01:54am

BBL

961 blueraven  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 11:05:55am

re: #955 sattv4u2

220,000 hits

By just substituting the words Chelsea Clinton where you had Jenna Bush results in 14,700,000 hits

Yup,, ZACCLY the same !!

OUTRAGEOUS!!

962 simoom  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 11:06:29am

I don't know if anyone posted this poll back a month ago, when it was done, but I hadn't seen it before and found it interesting:

Manhattanites Support Mosque Near Ground Zero, Poll Finds

Manhattan voters support plans for mosque near Ground Zero, though residents of the outer boroughs are opposed, a new poll found.

The Quinnipiac University poll, released Thursday morning, found that 46 percent of Manhattanites support the 13-story mosque and community center, called Cordoba House. Thirty-six percent of Manhattan voters oppose the proposal and 18 percent are undecided.

Still, New Yorkers as a whole weighed in against the mosque, with 52 percent opposing the plans and just 31 percent supporting the project. The strongest opposition came from Staten Island, where 73 percent opposed the mosque compared to 14 percent who supported it.
...
Forty-four percent of New Yorkers said they had a generally favorable opinion of Islam, while 28 percent said they did not and another 28 percent were undecided. Those with a favorable opinion of Islam support the mosque 54 percent to 30 percent, while those with an unfavorable opinion oppose it 86 percent to 7 percent.

Fifty-six percent of the voters surveyed said they personally know a Muslim, and while that made them more likely to say Islam is a peaceful religion, they were still divided on the mosque, with 41 percent supporting it and 43 percent opposed.

The opposition to the mosque was similar across race and religious lines, with 66 percent of both Jews and white Catholics against the mosque, and 46 percent of white Protestants against it.

Sixty percent of Hispanic voters oppose the mosque, compared to just 45 percent of black voters. White voters fall in the middle, with 56 percent opposition.

963 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 11:09:17am

re: #962 simoom

What's going on with Staten Island?

964 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 11:09:36am

Fuck!! I got booted!!

965 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 11:11:25am

Sweet. I've got my new laptop up and running.

It's got a nifty fingerprint security device that makes me feel like James Bond.

966 simoom  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 11:12:29am

re: #963 Obdicut

What's going on with Staten Island?

The article claims:

“Liberal Manhattan accepts the mosque and trusts Islam,” Maurice Carroll, director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute, said in a statement. “Staten Island, where there's controversy about another proposed mosque, is more skeptical."

Carroll said Manhattan always polls more "true-blue Democrat" than the rest of the city, while opinions on Staten Island tend to align with the country as a whole.

"Manhattan tends to be much more easygoing, more liberal," Carroll said. "Manhattan is the secular humanist capital of the world."

I'm not sure what to make of any of that except that Mr. Carroll sounds like kind of an ass :p.

967 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 11:14:04am

re: #966 simoom

I think Staten Island is kind of suburban. I don't get the desire to live in New York, but in a suburban way.

968 Gus  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 11:15:45am

Well, since Chelsea Clinton's wedding came up it should be important to note that the 2 million dollar figure isn't official and basically a made up figure. A source close to the Clinton family says it's in the 6 figure range.

The world's most expensive wedding was the marriage of Vanisha Mittal and Amit Bhatia at 60 million dollars. Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes ceremony was around 2 million dollars.

969 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 11:19:49am

re: #968 Gus 802

We did ours for under $4000, I believe. Maybe $5000 including the rings.

970 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 11:23:05am

re: #968 Gus 802

I never brought it up because of the cost. I brought it up because of press coverage. And I care less.

971 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 11:23:44am

re: #961 blueraven

OUTRAGEOUS!!

waytomissthepoint!

972 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 11:27:31am

re: #971 sattv4u2

waytomissthepoint!

Meme's only work when the right does it!!
///

973 Gus  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 11:29:51am

re: #970 Cannadian Club Akbar

I never brought it up because of the cost. I brought it up because of press coverage. And I care less.

Glad you cleared that up. I wasn't referring to your concerns. The 2 million dollar cost is part of the buzz surrounding the wedding. I don't care either and for the most part haven't heard a peep about the wedding. That's one of the advantages of not having a boob-tube. It keeps the static to a minimum.

974 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 11:31:34am

re: #969 Obdicut

We did ours for under $4000, I believe. Maybe $5000 including the rings.

My next time will be like that!!

OUCH ,,DAMN ,,, sorry honey,, I didn't know you were behind me reading over my shoulder

975 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 11:31:57am

re: #973 Gus 802

I'm hearing far more about it here than I have anywhere else.

Which is kinda weird.

976 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 11:44:25am

re: #975 Obdicut

I'm hearing far more about it here than I have anywhere else.

Which is kinda weird.

lol

977 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 1:52:54pm

re: #819 marjoriemoon

I am so happy I don't have to go through that stuff anymore. It's brutal. Poor Kid. Although now, I just deal with nasty women who gossip behind your back. Maybe I could knock them down?

Vacationing this week with the fam, SiL #2 doesn't have any kids and generally loves using the F word. Well we all get in the elevator and it's packed. Someone says to me "Stick in your butt or the door won't close". So I start singing "Ya put your left butt in, you put your left butt out" and swinging my behind. You know, to entertain the kids. One of the mothers (a friend of SiL #1) says "We don't say 'butt' in front of the children." And I'm thinking SiL #2 said Fuck at least a dozen times already and no one yelled at her!

I get no respect. No respect at all :p


"Butt" is something not to say in front of the children? Since when?

978 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 1:59:12pm

re: #828 Cannadian Club Akbar

Nads?
Hairy bean bags?
Nuts?
My boys?
I could go on!!!

We had a rather troubled kid in a school I used to work at who, one one particularly odd day, grabbed the crotch of another kid.

We had a good bunch of kids. Most of the places I've worked, or went to school, that would have progressed to ass-kicking. Instead, the grabbee marched down to the principal's office in shock to complain. "Sister Margaret, I'm not kidding! What the fuck! Dude grabbed my nuts!"

979 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 2:15:20pm

re: #945 sattv4u2

I think they had the reception at the local Elks Lodge and was catered by Chic Fil A !

Pretty much. They got married on the ranch, and I think the reception was held there as well.

980 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 2:15:48pm

re: #949 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm talking about the press.

Press covered it. There was a nice spread in People Magazine. Jenna looked lovely.

981 Fozzie Bear  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 2:49:25pm

re: #978 SanFranciscoZionist

We had a rather troubled kid in a school I used to work at who, one one particularly odd day, grabbed the crotch of another kid.

We had a good bunch of kids. Most of the places I've worked, or went to school, that would have progressed to ass-kicking. Instead, the grabbee marched down to the principal's office in shock to complain. "Sister Margaret, I'm not kidding! What the fuck! Dude grabbed my nuts!"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


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