Sheriff Dupnik Attacked Universally by Right Wing

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Following the mass murder in Tucson, Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik bravely stood up and called for an end to violent political rhetoric — and for this statement he is now being viciously attacked by the right wing, and calls for his resignation are being heard.

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Again we see that the right wing blogs and media act as if they’re controlled by a central hive mind, falling into a lockstep recital of talking points and deflections. There’s absolutely no self-reflection, and no acknowledgment of the insanely violent rhetoric that is everywhere on the right.

One of the most repulsive attacks comes from Pajamas Media’s Clarice Feldman, who cites an anonymous blogger to claim that Sheriff Dupnik himself is responsible for the crime. Yes, really.

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346 comments
1 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:46:43am

Sarah gave them their playbood, deniy it, scrub it and then start blowing smoke.

I think that they will back off slightly, although they will never admit why.

2 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:46:46am

Notice that he never explicitly mentioned the right wing. They just assumed he must have meant them. How ironic.

3 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:48:02am

I picked a bad day to quit smoking...

//

No, I didn't LOL.

I guess I should be surprised that they'd attack the messenger but really I am not. Their ideology leaves no room for self-reflection. Their belief in "personal responsibility" means they can say whatever the hell they want and are never responsible because each person is responsible for their own actions regardless of who influenced those actions.

4 Kragar  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:48:03am

How dare he tell the conservatives to stop talking about 2nd amendment solutions, talking about a new revolutionary war, and watering the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants? If they stopped that, what else would they have to talk about?

5 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:48:17am

IIRC, Sheriff Dupnik did not mention any specific instance, pundit, politician, or issue when he made that statement.

It is particularly telling that some would think he was speaking specifically about them. "Mask Slip" telling.

6 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:48:18am

Count on Fox to turn to Paul Babeu, who goes so far as to imply that Dupnik's call to tone down the rhetoric is inflamatory.

7 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:48:30am

re: #2 Fozzie Bear

Notice that he never explicitly mentioned the right wing. They just assumed he must have meant them. How ironic.

They do protest a wee bit too much, don't they?

8 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:48:36am

Does anyone know how to do this or even if it's possible?

I've wanted to stop using any pseudonyms on the net and just use my real name. In the acct section here, there seems to be a means to do this, change the byline, but it still keeps showing me posting as Capitalist Tool.

any help appreciated

9 McSpiff  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:48:38am

re: #2 Fozzie Bear

Notice that he never explicitly mentioned the right wing. They just assumed he must have meant them. How ironic.

Thats the real talking point I've seen... "Politics doesn't influence crazy people...but if it does, he's a democrat!"

10 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:49:12am

"I didn't do it and stop talking about my mother!"
-Bill Cosby

11 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:49:38am

dang, forgot that 'blue'; check mark again

12 Kragar  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:50:17am

Speaking of insane rhetoric;

US high court rejects Obama citizenship case

In her petition before the Supreme Court, Taitz asked: "Is the whole nation de facto reduced to the level of slaves or serfs when one without valid vital records, without social security number of his own and without a valid long form of birth certificate is able to get in the position of president?"

On Monday Taitz said she would not let the case rest.

"I will file a motion for reconsideration," she said on her website, adding that she has "evidence of highly suspicious activity in several federal courts."

"If we don't clean up corruption in the judiciary, in the White House, citizens of this country will have no trust in the system and will take justice in their own hands. This is dangerous," she wrote.

13 webevintage  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:51:03am

I'm sure he is used to it.
Didn't he make fun of McCain and his "build the damn fence now" stychk ad also was against that new law in AZ becuase it would make the job of the police harder?

Yesterday Megayn "with a y" Kelly accused him of saying what he said because he was a Democrat, he held his own with her special form of nutty quite well.

14 Four More Beers  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:51:05am

I'm curious. If Palin thinks she's not to blame with her rifle-sight targets on those 20 districts, ERRRRRRR, I mean "surveyor points," why so quick to retreat there, ol' Mama Grizzly? It took, what, a blink of an eye to "erase" your fingerprints? You betcha!

15 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:51:24am

re: #6 wrenchwench

Count on Fox to turn to Paul Babeu, who goes so far as to imply that Dupnik's call to tone down the rhetoric is inflamatory.

BWAAAA?

16 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:51:40am

re: #14 Kid A

I'm curious. If Palin thinks she's not to blame with her rifle-sight targets on those 20 districts, ERRR, I mean "surveyor points," why so quick to retreat there, ol' Mama Grizzly? It took, what, a blink of an eye to "erase" your fingerprints? You betcha!

She's not actually retreating. She's just ducked behind cover to reload. /

17 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:51:53am

Have they turned on the woman who snatched the magazine yet? She blamed rightwing extremism for the whole debacle as well.

18 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:52:01am

re: #14 Kid A

I'm curious. If Palin thinks she's not to blame with her rifle-sight targets on those 20 districts, ERRR, I mean "surveyor points," why so quick to retreat there, ol' Mama Grizzly? It took, what, a blink of an eye to "erase" your fingerprints? You betcha!

she didn't do it and stop talking about her father

19 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:52:40am

re: #14 Kid A

I'm curious too - have you had an account at LGF before, under another name?

20 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:52:41am

re: #15 jamesfirecat

BWAAA?


That's our country, watching dumb children that people treat as news anchors :D

21 Stanghazi  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:52:55am

This is what is so painful. The right in front of your face denial. We've followed this rhetoric on LGF, and elsewhere. From the McCain/Palin rallies, Death Panels, to the teabagger's signs. It's as obvious as can be that the rhetoric was ratcheted up since President Obama's election.

Then someone has the fucking nerve to say it out loud? A freaking sheriff? Not allowed by the right wing.

22 Four More Beers  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:53:01am

re: #19 Charles

Nope.

23 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:53:19am

re: #12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Court has already rejected Taitz' petitions, and slapped her with a $20k fine. I think they really need to up the ante and give a full core smackdown because she is abusing the legal system with frivolous claims.

24 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:54:09am

This is worth reposting: Giffords called for toning down ‘rhetoric and partisanship’ in email to Grayson on Friday

Will the Rightwing come down on her, too?

25 Kragar  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:54:28am

re: #23 lawhawk

The Court has already rejected Taitz' petitions, and slapped her with a $20k fine. I think they really need to up the ante and give a full core smackdown because she is abusing the legal system with frivolous claims.

That was a lower court which fined her before, this was the Supreme Court. Crazy Chicken Lady is crazy.

26 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:54:29am

re: #12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"If we don't clean up corruption in the judiciary, in the White House, citizens of this country will have no trust in the system and will take justice in their own hands. This is dangerous,"

she got that part right... and what perfect timing

27 darthstar  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:54:43am

I just went over to FoxNation to see what those assholes are saying. There's a post about Glenn Beck reading an email from Sarah Palin saying she hates violence...well, I'm glad they are busy protecting the REAL victims of this tragedy...stupid fuckers.

28 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:54:53am

re: #24 000G

This is worth reposting: Giffords called for toning down ‘rhetoric and partisanship’ in email to Grayson on Friday

Will the Rightwing come down on her, too?

///Hey ther'es no better time to kick'em while they're down in a coma....

29 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:55:01am

re: #21 Stanley Sea

This is what is so painful. The right in front of your face denial. We've followed this rhetoric on LGF, and elsewhere. From the McCain/Palin rallies, Death Panels, to the teabagger's signs. It's as obvious as can be that the rhetoric was ratcheted up since President Obama's election.

Then someone has the fucking nerve to say it out loud? A freaking sheriff? Not allowed by the right wing.

Well, that last thing they want is for a DEMOCRAT to actually put it in peoples' heads that violence isn't the answer!

With a black secret muslim enemy of humanity president? With the REPUBLIC AT STAKE?

Oh no no NO NO no no no. No sir, this is GAWD'S COUNTRY

30 Lidane  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:55:36am

re: #23 lawhawk

The Court has already rejected Taitz' petitions, and slapped her with a $20k fine. I think they really need to up the ante and give a full core smackdown because she is abusing the legal system with frivolous claims.

They need to Jack Thompson her and disbar Taitz. She's a loon.

31 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:55:37am

re: #24 000G

This is worth reposting: Giffords called for toning down ‘rhetoric and partisanship’ in email to Grayson on Friday

Will the Rightwing come down on her, too?

They would if she hadn't been almost killed, guaranteed, 100%

The ONLY reason they're not is he got shot. The only reason.

32 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:55:56am

It used to be the deep south that scared me, but now, it's the southwest.

33 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:56:11am

re: #30 Lidane

They need to Jack Thompson her and disbar Taitz. She's a loon.

man, they'd make a great Dancing with the Stars couple, they have that similar strung-out look

34 albusteve  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:56:13am

watching PJ Media swirl down the shitter has been disappointing....I used to like those guys

35 jaunte  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:56:31am

Conservatives were tweeting about demanding Dupnik's resignation for 'politicizing' his statements at the press conference almost as soon as he made them.

36 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:56:33am

re: #14 Kid A

I'm curious. If Palin thinks she's not to blame with her rifle-sight targets on those 20 districts, ERRR, I mean "surveyor points," why so quick to retreat there, ol' Mama Grizzly? It took, what, a blink of an eye to "erase" your fingerprints? You betcha!


The way she made a fool of herself on Sarah Palins Alaska (Caribou)
Hunt....I'm suprised she knows what Scope Cross Hairs are..../

37 darthstar  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:56:59am

re: #2 Fozzie Bear

Notice that he never explicitly mentioned the right wing. They just assumed he must have meant them. How ironic.

They're a defensive lot, aren't they?

38 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:57:09am

re: #32 Fozzie Bear

It used to be the deep south that scared me, but now, it's the southwest.

oh MAN no kidding

These days, I just wouldn't go to arizona. At all. I have a friend with family there he visits, he says it just gets scarier and weirder and more racist there every time he goes

39 Stanghazi  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:57:30am

re: #37 darthstar

They're a defensive lot, aren't they?

This whole thing has been a study in fearful defense.

40 Four More Beers  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:57:35am

re: #27 darthstar

Yeah, I tuned into Lips today to hear what he had to say. I'm sure you'll be shocked to hear that it was predictable.

41 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:57:43am

re: #32 Fozzie Bear

It used to be the deep south that scared me, but now, it's the southwest.

All of it?

42 Kragar  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:57:58am

re: #36 reloadingisnotahobby

The way she made a fool of herself on Sarah Palins Alaska (Caribou)
Hunt...I'm suprised she knows what Scope Cross Hairs are.../

A fine example of editing in action. You never actually see her shoot and hit anything.

43 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:58:00am

re: #35 jaunte

Conservatives were tweeting about demanding Dupnik's resignation for 'politicizing' his statements at the press conference almost as soon as he made them.

can't have a democrat sherriff!

THAT AIN'T AMURIKA

44 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:58:10am

re: #38 WindUpBird

oh MAN no kidding

These days, I just wouldn't go to arizona. At all. I have a friend with family there he visits, he says it just gets scarier and weirder and more racist there every time he goes

See, now that was more specific.

45 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:58:20am

re: #32 Fozzie Bear

It used to be the deep south that scared me, but now, it's the southwest.


Half of the Deep South moved there looking for construction work...

46 Kragar  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:58:26am

re: #37 darthstar

They're a defensive lot, aren't they?

WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT?
/

47 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:58:27am

re: #38 WindUpBird

oh MAN no kidding

These days, I just wouldn't go to arizona. At all. I have a friend with family there he visits, he says it just gets scarier and weirder and more racist there every time he goes

I went their with the family last March for spring break... it was decent, went on a balloon ride, a train ride... saw the Grand Canyon... though I advise anyone else who plans to do the same to bring some oxygen tanks with them, maybe its because I'm not in the best of shape but you can barely breath up there!

48 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:58:31am

re: #35 jaunte

Conservatives were tweeting about demanding Dupnik's resignation for 'politicizing' his statements at the press conference almost as soon as he made them.

I have no doubt his email is filling up with death threats.

49 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:59:02am

re: #44 wrenchwench

See, now that was more specific.

Stories he tells me, they creep me out, straaange conversations he has to endure with his family

50 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:59:48am

re: #48 Killgore Trout

I have no doubt his email is filling up with death threats.

I think that will only encourage him. Old opiniated guys like him usually figure they got nothing much to lose anyhow and just don't care if they are "politically incorrect".

51 albusteve  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:59:49am

re: #41 wrenchwench

All of it?

what bullshit

52 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 11:59:53am

This sheriff should only focus on the facts? The FBI has taken over the investigation, and if Dupnik wants to comment on the county he's lived in for decades, he might be qualified.

53 Stanghazi  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:00:22pm

re: #48 Killgore Trout

I have no doubt his email is filling up with death threats.

Yep. A freaking study. He should publish them.

54 Kragar  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:01:00pm

Talk Radio Hosts Reject Blame in Shooting

All agreed that Sheriff Dupnik had embarrassed Arizona and unfairly denigrated talk radio by linking it with the shooting.

“There isn’t any correlation,” said Jon Justice, who hosts a highly rated program on KQTH, 104.1 FM, in Tucson. “It’s like blaming Jodie Foster for the individual who shot Ronald Reagan.”

Garret Lewis, host of The Morning Ritual on KNST, 790 AM, in Tucson, said Sherriff Dupnik’s comments had “incited stupidity around the world.”

“People have the image now that we’re a bunch of racist bigots and there are shootouts in the streets,” Mr. Lewis said. “Again, he has absolutely no proof that any of this is true.”

Steve, a caller on Mr. Justice’s show, said Mr. Dupnik’s statements “showed him for the buffoon he is.”

Later, a caller named Lee said the sheriff was “a blithering idiot.” Caller after caller came up with their own colorful descriptions.

In the incredulous language of talk radio, Mr. Justice defended his show and dismissed the notion that Arizona’s political culture had served as the backdrop to the shooting or an inspiration for the suspect, Jared L. Loughner.

“This is a crazy person!” he said. “Politics is out the window — you’re a nutbag! No amount of controlling talk radio is going to change that!”

55 albusteve  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:01:06pm

re: #49 WindUpBird

Stories he tells me, they creep me out, straaange conversations he has to endure with his family

oh, family
I thought you were referring to a region

56 Tigger2  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:01:36pm

re: #48 Killgore Trout

I have no doubt his email is filling up with death threats.

re: #53 Stanley Sea

Yep. A freaking study. He should publish them.

As the F.B.I tracks them down.

57 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:01:49pm

Woman Who Grabbed Gun Clip: 'Extreme Right' Added To Problem

Youtube Video
58 jaunte  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:02:20pm

"Law enforcement call for calm language derided as partisan."

59 elTito  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:02:39pm

If I recall correctly he was very careful to state that this was his personal opinion and nothing more.

What a bunch of morons.

60 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:02:40pm

re: #57 Killgore Trout

Woman Who Grabbed Gun Clip: 'Extreme Right' Added To Problem


[Video]

Shame on that librul for exploiting the tragedy with her heroic stunt!

///

61 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:02:45pm

re: #55 albusteve

oh, family
I thought you were referring to a region

I'm referring to the same thing Dupnik is referring to, my friend actually grew up in Arizona, so I sorta trust his judgement about the political climate there

62 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:02:48pm

re: #58 jaunte

"Law enforcement call for calm language derided as partisan."

There's a headline that would make me loose a game of "Onion or not" with myself....

63 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:02:53pm

re: #25 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The S.Ct. affirmed the lower court's imposition of $20k in fines. From what I recall, her S.Ct. filing wasn't even in the form required by the court, and she should have been fined for that as well.

Court filings are very specific as to form and content length, and she ignored all that. The $20k was charitable IMO. She's wasting everyone's time and wasting docket space.

64 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:03:01pm

re: #52 wrenchwench

This sheriff should only focus on the facts? The FBI has taken over the investigation, and if Dupnik wants to comment on the county he's lived in for decades, he might be qualified.

He's responsible for maintaining public order. This is no different than telling a mob to disperse.

65 darthstar  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:03:09pm

Wow...Palin's managed to lose Elizabeth Hasselbeck?

Youtube Video
66 albusteve  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:03:20pm

re: #58 jaunte

"Law enforcement call for calm language derided as partisan."

calm language incites inflammatory rhetoric!
good grief

67 Jadespring  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:04:42pm

They've of course been covering this on out national news up here. Biggest story of the day. The anchor was interviewing some pundit, Holt something or other maybe?. Can't remember. So anyways the theme is talking about rhetoric and when the pundit was asked about the Sheriffs comments the guy replied, "Well first off you have to remember that he is a Democrat and was elected as a Democrat...."
Can't remember what he said after that. I tuned it out I think.

68 Kragar  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:04:48pm

re: #63 lawhawk

The S.Ct. affirmed the lower court's imposition of $20k in fines. From what I recall, her S.Ct. filing wasn't even in the form required by the court, and she should have been fined for that as well.

Court filings are very specific as to form and content length, and she ignored all that. The $20k was charitable IMO. She's wasting everyone's time and wasting docket space.

At this point, I think they should drop the hammer and hit her with the largest penalty they can.

69 Four More Beers  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:04:56pm

re: #54 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Garret Lewis, host of The Morning Ritual on KNST, 790 AM, in Tucson, said Sherriff Dupnik’s comments had “incited stupidity around the world.”

Around the world???? I think that comment has incited brain shrinkage in that tool Lewis' head.

70 avanti  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:05:56pm

re: #34 albusteve

watching PJ Media swirl down the shitter has been disappointing...I used to like those guys

Yep, they posted the sheriff's phone number and suggested everyone call and ask him to step down. After all, asking to cool the rhetoric is grounds for him to quit./

71 albusteve  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:06:14pm

re: #61 WindUpBird

I'm referring to the same thing Dupnik is referring to, my friend actually grew up in Arizona, so I sorta trust his judgement about the political climate there

I don't really pay attention to the political climate when I go traveling, so I wouldn't know...I see no correlation between some pol's blather in Tucson and drinking beer in Jerome

72 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:06:26pm

another Arizona state legislator who's received a bunch of death threats:

[Link: findarticles.com...]


Yeah, no, sorry, not going to Arizona these days.

73 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:06:36pm

Charles,
if you're still here,
I'm having trouble with the byline adjustment feature in acct controls.
I'm trying to change all my log- ins online so that I'm not known by pseudonyms.
I set the controls to show my real name, but posts still show Capitalist Tool.
Any help would be appreciated.
I'm using Firefox.

74 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:07:34pm

re: #73 Capitalist Tool

If I were you, I would stick with a pseudonym. Just a word of friendly advice.

75 Lidane  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:07:45pm

re: #38 WindUpBird

oh MAN no kidding

These days, I just wouldn't go to arizona. At all.

I wouldn't either. It's a lovely state and all, but with my luck, I'd look at someone wrong and they'd try to deport me because I'm Latina.

76 albusteve  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:08:04pm

re: #68 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

At this point, I think they should drop the hammer and hit her with the largest penalty they can.

jail time....30 days f cold Beef-O-Roni

77 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:08:54pm

re: #70 avanti

Yep, they posted the sheriff's phone number and suggested everyone call and ask him to step down. After all, asking to cool the rhetoric is grounds for him to quit./

It's just so bizarre. Like someone saying "Please remain calm" to no one in particular, and having a bunch of people holler back "FUCK YOU! I AM FUCKING CALM YOU GAWT DAMNED ASSHOLE!"

78 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:09:18pm

Hero:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Mr. Stoddard pulled his wife to the ground, she told Mr. Nowak, and lay on top of her, shielding her from gunfire. He died several minutes later, with his wife wounded at his side.

79 albusteve  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:10:13pm

re: #70 avanti

Yep, they posted the sheriff's phone number and suggested everyone call and ask him to step down. After all, asking to cool the rhetoric is grounds for him to quit./

and the wheels keep turning....I'm apolitical, neutered....but this goes beyond politics...somebody need therapy

80 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:10:16pm

Reposting the ATS links with Loughner's rants Fozzie unearthed earlier:

[Link: www.abovetopsecret.com...]
[Link: www.abovetopsecret.com...]
[Link: www.abovetopsecret.com...]

81 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:10:19pm

re: #73 Capitalist Tool

Did you read what it says about the "display name" on your account page?

82 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:10:47pm

hundreds of threats leveled at this Arizona federal judge who was killed... [Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

83 albusteve  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:11:18pm

re: #75 Lidane

I wouldn't either. It's a lovely state and all, but with my luck, I'd look at someone wrong and they'd try to deport me because I'm Latina.

oh please...you've taken the bait with that stuff

84 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:11:23pm

re: #70 avanti

Yep, they posted the sheriff's phone number and suggested everyone call and ask him to step down. After all, asking to cool the rhetoric is grounds for him to quit./

Really? Do you have a link for that?

85 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:12:26pm

dammitre: #81 Charles

Your "display name" is the name that will be displayed on the byline when you post an LGF Page. This field is optional; if you leave it blank, your registered username will be displayed instead. The purpose of the display name is to let you use your real name for LGF Pages, so that your work is credited to a real person instead of a pseudonym.

did that...

86 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:13:18pm

re: #85 Capitalist Tool

It's for pages you post, not posts you post.

87 Burgher  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:13:22pm

Up to this point there are at least 70 comments with the kind of vitriol the Sherrif is talking about.

It's the same on both sides dontchaknow

88 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:13:28pm

re: #73 Capitalist Tool

You may need a letter from your parent or guardian.....
LOL ,I also wanted to change my nic.....Felt it targeted me in the eyes of some...as a GUN NUTT!!
I was afraid some one would but a "Survey Cross" over Central Utah
there by threatening me and my neighbors with violence at the hands
of the INSANE ASSHOLE THAT LIVES ACROSS THE STREET IN THE UP STAIRS UNIT ON THE RIGHT!!
YOU know who I'm talking about....Yea..you up there...
Yes! I'm kidding....

89 albusteve  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:13:42pm

re: #84 Charles

Really? Do you have a link for that?

sounds pretty hot

91 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:14:31pm

dammit- that's twice now and I haven't even quit for an hour yet.
Just started going through jacket pockets and desk drawers lookin' for tobacco again.

Still haven't dug it out of the trash, though.

92 Peter Kaufman  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:14:44pm

re: #7 Dreggas

Notice that he never explicitly mentioned the right wing. They just assumed he must have meant them.

You're exactly right.

The wicked flee when none pursueth.

93 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:15:19pm

re: #87 Burgher

Up to this point there are at least 70 comments with the kind of vitriol the Sherrif is talking about.

It's the same on both sides dontchaknow

Care to point out some of them?

94 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:15:26pm

re: #82 WindUpBird

hundreds of threats leveled at this Arizona federal judge who was killed... [Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

It's like they're all in a flat sprint to prove him correct.

95 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:15:38pm

re: #86 Obdicut

oh, so call me thick...

96 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:15:44pm

heh, Dupnik was the sheriff who called SB1070 ridiculous, so I'm sure they REALLY HATE THAT GUY

97 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:16:11pm

re: #93 jamesfirecat

Care to point out some of them?

I think that was sarcasm :D

98 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:16:50pm

re: #91 Capitalist Tool

dammit- that's twice now and I haven't even quit for an hour yet.
Just started going through jacket pockets and desk drawers lookin' for tobacco again.

Still haven't dug it out of the trash, though.

The first 72 hours are tough without pause. After that, you get breaks. :-)

99 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:17:41pm

Remember people, the sheriff DID NOT single out any polical party, radio personality or television station. Yet the right wing has chosen to viciously attack him.

So if a sheriff arrests say leaders of a gang, and that sheriff calls out to end gang violence at the immediately following press conference, will the right wingers call for his resignation? Because from where I sit, this happens all the time while the wingers stand next to the sheriff all giddy and patrioticly warm.

Fuck republicans and their conservative apologists.

100 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:17:56pm

re: #98 000G

The first 72 hours are tough without pause. After that, you get breaks. :-)

A wife who would cut you off from the nookie for a week and tear your head off if she caught you smoking again really helps.

101 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:18:06pm

Babeu has Border Envy. Dupnik's county is actually on the border, Babeu's is not. Dupnik opposed SB 1070, so he's used to being out of Babeu's favor.

Plus, Dupnik has already had to deal with politically motivated murder in his county.

102 Burgher  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:18:16pm

re: #93 jamesfirecat


Who said... If they bring a knife to the fight.. we bring a gun.

Who said ' we will punish our enemies'

who said ' you need to get in their faces'

Need more?

103 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:18:30pm

re: #100 Fozzie Bear

A wife who would cut you off from the nookie for a week and tear your head off if she caught you smoking again really helps.

shot the ex who pulled tried that tack

104 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:19:11pm

re: #103 Capitalist Tool

shot the ex who pulled tried that tack

Yeah but it's really good nookie.

105 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:19:25pm

Reeading the Pj media threads, it's pretty much Alex Jones territory

They're going to GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS! hahaha, because you just can't have an opinionated Democrat in office, there's gotta be some crazy intrigue

106 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:19:55pm

re: #102 Burgher

Who said... If they bring a knife to the fight.. we bring a gun.

Who said ' we will punish our enemies'

who said ' you need to get in their faces'

Need more?

Oh okay, not sarcasm, you're a tool, got it

107 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:20:13pm

re: #99 Amory Blaine

Fuck republicans...

Well, I am single...

108 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:20:24pm

re: #104 Fozzie Bear

Yeah but it's really good nookie.

hell
it's all good
'specially when you're as ugly as me

109 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:20:31pm

re: #102 Burgher

MAW! WE GOT OURSELVES UH WINGNUT!

GET MUH INTERNET SPEAKIN' MACHINE, I GOTTA TALK TEW THIS ONE

110 avanti  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:20:45pm

re: #84 Charles

Really? Do you have a link for that?

I'll try, but it was a comment is one of the longer threads. BTW, now they are spinning this

"Clyburn: Reading the Constitution provoked murder spree in Tucson, or something"

That headline is based on his comment:

“All [of] this stuff taking place in the Chambers the other day, when the Constitution was being read — all that stuff is uncalled for,” Rep. Clyburn (D-SC) told the Ed Schultz radio program."

Only a idiot would spin a comment about what went on during the reading( i.e., the bither shouting) to a objection to the reading.

111 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:20:45pm

Babeu had to fire a deputy recently, for making him look like an idiot.

112 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:20:52pm

re: #75 Lidane

I wouldn't either. It's a lovely state and all, but with my luck, I'd look at someone wrong and they'd try to deport me because I'm Latina.

I'm going to visit family in Vegas next month. They wanted to give me a ride down through AZ to see the desert flowers bloom. Never again will I go to Arizona. Fucking right wing scum is too thick down there.

113 Four More Beers  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:21:49pm

re: #102 Burgher

Who had "We came unarmed...THIS TIME?" placards everywhere at Bagger rallies?

Hmmmmmm?????

114 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:22:20pm

re: #101 wrenchwench

Babeu has Border Envy. Dupnik's county is actually on the border, Babeu's is not. Dupnik opposed SB 1070, so he's used to being out of Babeu's favor.

Plus, Dupnik has already had to deal with politically motivated murder in his county.

That guy seems like he has to deal with a lot, leaving aside all the angry nativists who want his head

115 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:22:23pm

re: #102 Burgher

Need more?

No. I think that's enough false equivalency for the thread, don't you?

116 Four More Beers  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:22:50pm

re: #102 Burgher

Who called for "Second Amendment solutions?"

Hmmmmm?

117 subsailor68  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:23:03pm

re: #78 Obdicut

Hero:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Hi Obdicut. Thanks so much for that link.

I think - at least for a little while - I'm going to stop thinking about the sheriff, the shooter, the pundits, and the pols.

Instead, I think I'll reflect on a man who clearly loved his wife so much that his first thought was to protect her, even though it ended up costing him his life.

With all the horror of this shooting, the aftermath, and the awful rhetoric, it brings a tear to my eye to know there are folks like Mr. Dorwan Stoddard...one hopes there are millions of them.

RIP, Mr. Stoddard. Well done sir.

118 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:23:12pm

re: #102 Burgher

Who said... If they bring a knife to the fight.. we bring a gun.

Sean Connery in "The Untouchables."

It was a quote from a movie, you dolt.

119 webevintage  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:23:47pm

re: #102 Burgher

Who said... If they bring a knife to the fight.. we bring a gun.

Sean Connery...everyone knows that.

120 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:24:20pm

re: #100 Fozzie Bear

A wife who would cut you off from the nookie for a week and tear your head off if she caught you smoking again really helps.

Enh. You can't make anybody quit an addiction.

121 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:24:35pm

re: #102 Burgher

Who said... If they bring a knife to the fight.. we bring a gun.

Who said ' we will punish our enemies'

who said ' you need to get in their faces'

Need more?


It's the same on both sides dontchaknow

Why do you feel the need to lie?

122 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:24:36pm

re: #114 WindUpBird

That guy seems like he has to deal with a lot, leaving aside all the angry nativists who want his head

He has a tough job in a tough location. All the wingers do is make it tougher.

123 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:24:46pm

re: #118 Charles

Sean Connery: "Now isn't that just like ( an Italian)... bring a knife to a gunfight."

124 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:24:50pm

re: #102 Burgher

Remember what I wrote about "a lockstep recital of talking points and deflections?"

That's you.

125 bubba zanetti  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:25:28pm

re: #102 Burgher

Who said... If they bring a knife to the fight.. we bring a gun.

And who's been doing the actual gun-bringing?

126 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:25:32pm

I will say, I won't be surprised if Dupnik is heading for higher office :-) I would love for this guy to be considered "America's sheriff" and not that crook Arpiao

127 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:25:48pm

re: #91 Capitalist Tool

dammit- that's twice now and I haven't even quit for an hour yet.
Just started going through jacket pockets and desk drawers lookin' for tobacco again.

Still haven't dug it out of the trash, though.

I did that once...

128 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:26:42pm

re: #119 webevintage

Sean Connery...everyone knows that.

"he sends one of yours to the hospital, we send one of his to the movies."


no wait that's not right

129 Burgher  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:26:51pm

re: #109 WindUpBird

Nah. Just a clear thinker.

130 Ericus58  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:26:52pm

re: #112 Amory Blaine

I'm going to visit family in Vegas next month. They wanted to give me a ride down through AZ to see the desert flowers bloom. Never again will I go to Arizona. Fucking right wing scum is too thick down there.

My wife has family in Arizona.
My son's GF of three years was born and raised in Arizona and her family still lives there - She's first generation American, her mother and father are from Mexico. This is the first year her family has NOT traveled to Mexico for the annual two weeks vacation due to the violence. They have never mentioned feeling harassed or threatened as a normal way of life living in Arizona.

I think some of you folks need to end the hyperbole and over-the-top generalizations of all things Arizona.

131 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:27:21pm

re: #102 Burgher

Who said... If they bring a knife to the fight.. we bring a gun.

Who said ' we will punish our enemies'

who said ' you need to get in their faces'

Need more?

Either you are real fuckin stupid or you are a liar.

132 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:27:33pm

re: #2 Fozzie Bear

Notice that he never explicitly mentioned the right wing. They just assumed he must have meant them. How ironic.

This is how I envision the modern day right wing.

133 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:27:37pm

re: #5 Slumbering Behemoth

IIRC, Sheriff Dupnik did not mention any specific instance, pundit, politician, or issue when he made that statement.

It is particularly telling that some would think he was speaking specifically about them. "Mask Slip" telling.

Guilty consciences?

134 avanti  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:28:04pm

re: #102 Burgher

Who said... If they bring a knife to the fight.. we bring a gun.

Who said ' we will punish our enemies'

who said ' you need to get in their faces'

Need more?

"Senator Barack Obama was fund-raising Friday night in Philadelphia. But he was talking about “the Chicago way.”

Channeling the mob drama, “The Untouchables,” Mr. Obama said in reference to the general election rumble with the Republicans: “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.”

135 Reginald Perrin  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:28:10pm

re: #129 Burgher

Nah. Just a clear thinker.

Nah, just a lame troll.

136 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:28:31pm

re: #130 Ericus58

My wife has family in Arizona.
My son's GF of three years was born and raised in Arizona and her family still lives there - She's first generation American, her mother and father are from Mexico. This is the first year her family has NOT traveled to Mexico for the annual two weeks vacation due to the violence. They have never mentioned feeling harassed or threatened as a normal way of life living in Arizona.

I think some of you folks need to end the hyperbole and over-the-top generalizations of all things Arizona.

I think maybe those on the other side of the isle needs to stop. How about you?

137 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:28:45pm

re: #129 Burgher

Nah. Just a clear thinker.

Clear as in flavorless and completely without content or originality, absolutely!

138 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:29:06pm

re: #130 Ericus58

My wife has family in Arizona.
My son's GF of three years was born and raised in Arizona and her family still lives there - She's first generation American, her mother and father are from Mexico. This is the first year her family has NOT traveled to Mexico for the annual two weeks vacation due to the violence. They have never mentioned feeling harassed or threatened as a normal way of life living in Arizona.

I think some of you folks need to end the hyperbole and over-the-top generalizations of all things Arizona.

The emotional posts about the deceased should be an indication that there are some VERY nice people there.

139 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:29:20pm

re: #134 avanti

'less I'm mistaken, Charles was being decidedly sarcastic.

140 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:29:23pm

I hope this Burgher guy sticks around, he's like a little kid in the kitchen

Oh me! pay attention to me! I say what Hannity told me to! i'm a smart guy, daddy! Honest!

141 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:29:31pm

re: #118 Charles

Youtube Video
142 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:29:36pm

re: #132 goddamnedfrank

This is how I envision the modern day right wing.

Who is the hooker in this analogy?

143 Kragar  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:29:42pm

re: #129 Burgher

Nah. Just a clear thinker.

There is a difference between a clear vessel and an empty vessel.

144 Burgher  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:29:57pm

re: #125 bubba zanetti


One very sick youn man.

145 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:30:28pm

re: #144 Burgher

One very sick youn man.

hands out of the cookie dough, mama's baking

146 Four More Beers  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:30:36pm

re: #102 Burgher

re: #140 WindUpBird

Little kids have more sense than Hannity.

147 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:30:41pm

TEA PARTY!!!
/wait, what?

148 webevintage  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:30:45pm

re: #134 avanti

"Senator Barack Obama was fund-raising Friday night in Philadelphia. But he was talking about “the Chicago way.”

Channeling the mob drama, “The Untouchables,” Mr. Obama said in reference to the general election rumble with the Republicans: “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.”

Ok, then we can ask the President, who made this comment in a closed fund-raiser, to apologize.
There, now the Magical Balance Fairy should be satisfied....

149 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:31:41pm

re: #130 Ericus58

If I had family in Arizona, I'd tell them to move.

150 Four More Beers  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:31:56pm

Tom Delay sentenced to three years in prison.

151 Ericus58  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:32:27pm

re: #136 Amory Blaine

I think maybe those on the other side of the isle needs to stop. How about you?

What are you asking me?

152 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:32:44pm

re: #142 000G

Who is the hooker in this analogy?

I'm supposing that would be, oh, me.

153 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:32:53pm

re: #136 Amory Blaine

I think maybe those on the other side of the isle needs to stop. How about you?

Which side of what "isle" do you put Ericus58 on?

154 Four More Beers  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:33:04pm

Here's the link from the Houston Chronicle...
Your text to link...

155 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:33:12pm

re: #152 reine.de.tout

lol

156 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:33:20pm

re: #143 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

There is a difference between a clear vessel and an empty vessel.

Or a wit and a dim-wit.

157 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:33:35pm

re: #155 wrenchwench

lol

:-)

158 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:33:44pm

re: #150 Kid A

Tom Delay sentenced to three years in prison.

Three years for money laundering? Is that a typical sentence for that crime?

Do you think he'll get a pardon?

159 Stanghazi  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:33:55pm

re: #150 Kid A

Tom Delay sentenced to three years in prison.

YES!!!!!!11!!

160 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:34:20pm

re: #140 WindUpBird

I hope this Burgher guy sticks around, he's like a little kid in the kitchen

Oh me! pay attention to me! I say what Hannity told me to! i'm a smart guy, daddy! Honest!

Burgher is recently registered.
Smelly socks anyone?

161 Four More Beers  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:34:50pm

re: #158 Slumbering Behemoth

Not sure. It just happened. So quick, the Chronicle had to post AP's story before a staffer filed his/hers. Stan by...

162 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:34:59pm

re: #146 Kid A

re: #140 WindUpBird

Little kids have more sense than Hannity.

Man but his HAIR IS GREAT

At least he's a decent broadcaster, unlike most of the hideous drek they call radio on talk stations. His show is nothing but empty calories, just an airhead nothing of a show for rank and file Republicans during their commutes, but at least it's not embarrassingly bad the way Levin, Gallagher, Levin, Lars, Ingraham are etc

163 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:35:25pm

re: #153 wrenchwench

Which side of what "isle" do you put Ericus58 on?

I don't care what side of the aisle any of you are on. She told me to "end the hyperbole". I'm calling for the republicans to end it. I don't have to like AZ and their cabal of bigots in charge there. That isn't hyperbole. It's a fact.

164 Jadespring  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:35:36pm

re: #159 Stanley Sea

YES!!!11!!

I think you should try to be happier about this piece of news. :)

165 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:35:44pm

re: #150 Kid A

Tom Delay sentenced to three years in prison.

am I dreaming


is this a dream


I still don't believe he'll serve time. ;-)

166 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:35:48pm

re: #160 reine.de.tout

If so, it's the weakest sock I've ever seen. No brains. Even his Tu Quoque-fu is weak.

167 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:36:12pm

re: #142 000G

Who is the hooker in this analogy?

An idealized white america under the influence of a black pimp.

168 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:36:27pm

re: #130 Ericus58

My formerly Republican parents said during the news coverage saturday that we are not going to be visiting any deep red states any time in the near future. This event seemed to be the one that caused them to turn completely against Republicans.

169 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:36:45pm

re: #163 Amory Blaine

I don't care what side of the aisle any of you are on. She told me to "end the hyperbole". I'm calling for the republicans to end it. I don't have to like AZ and their cabal of bigots in charge there. That isn't hyperbole. It's a fact.

You took "some of you folks" to mean you, personally?

170 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:36:56pm

re: #96 WindUpBird

heh, Dupnik was the sheriff who called SB1070 ridiculous, so I'm sure they REALLY HATE THAT GUY

Yeah, he was one of the border sheriffs who didn't like it. The fact that there was some disagreement about whether it was a good idea AMONG ARIZONA SHERIFFS might have clued some people in that this was actually a debatable idea, but noooooo....

171 Four More Beers  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:36:57pm

re: #162 WindUpBird

Man but his HAIR IS GREAT

Yeah, and so is Governor Rick Perry's! LOL.

172 Reginald Perrin  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:37:37pm

re: #160 reine.de.tout

Burgher is recently registered.
Smelly socks anyone?

Not too smelly but very very lame.

173 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:37:39pm

re: #101 wrenchwench

Babeu has Border Envy. Dupnik's county is actually on the border, Babeu's is not. Dupnik opposed SB 1070, so he's used to being out of Babeu's favor.

Plus, Dupnik has already had to deal with politically motivated murder in his county.

Oh, crap, that went down on his watch? Yeah, I can imagine he's not real tolerant of loonies.

174 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:37:45pm

re: #169 wrenchwench

You took "some of you folks" to mean you, personally?

Maybe you missed that it was my post she quoted.

175 Ericus58  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:38:01pm

re: #163 Amory Blaine

I don't care what side of the aisle any of you are on. She told me to "end the hyperbole". I'm calling for the republicans to end it. I don't have to like AZ and their cabal of bigots in charge there. That isn't hyperbole. It's a fact.

You are an ignorant ass.
My son's GF's family are not republican, nor are my wife's relatives there. They don't belong to any 'cabal of bigots' and they all love living there.

And, I'm a "he".

176 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:38:03pm

re: #163 Amory Blaine

I don't care what side of the aisle any of you are on. She told me to "end the hyperbole". I'm calling for the republicans to end it. I don't have to like AZ and their cabal of bigots in charge there. That isn't hyperbole. It's a fact.

I totally see a whole bunch of Democrats making death threats in Arizona over health care

"I'll kill you! Because Medicare Part D wasn't quite....also there's this matter of you didn't go far enough with the scaling of provider payouts...we really wanted the pool for risk to be funded like...."


yeah, doesn't really add up, does it

177 Four More Beers  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:38:26pm

re: #165 WindUpBird

Well, his propaganda pushers lawyers asked for probation, but the judge said "Nope, three years."

178 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:38:59pm

re: #175 Ericus58

You are an ignorant ass.
My son's GF's family are not republican, nor are my wife's relatives there. They don't belong to any 'cabal of bigots' and they all love living there.

And, I'm a "he".

Again that's their issue. AZ is controlled by tea party bigots. I know there are good people living all over you asshole.

179 Ericus58  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:39:08pm

re: #169 wrenchwench

You took "some of you folks" to mean you, personally?

Actually Wrench... in this case, he should.

180 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:39:55pm

re: #130 Ericus58

My wife has family in Arizona.
My son's GF of three years was born and raised in Arizona and her family still lives there - She's first generation American, her mother and father are from Mexico. This is the first year her family has NOT traveled to Mexico for the annual two weeks vacation due to the violence. They have never mentioned feeling harassed or threatened as a normal way of life living in Arizona.

I think some of you folks need to end the hyperbole and over-the-top generalizations of all things Arizona.

People see a handful of newspaper articles, and they get scared and stereotypey.

That said, I think AZ's got some issues right now, although I'm sure for most people it's a fine place to live.

181 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:40:04pm

re: #178 Amory Blaine

Throwing insults isn't going to help the discussion one bit. From my perspective, you guys just talked past each other a little while the conversation was heated.

182 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:40:09pm

re: #175 Ericus58

You are an ignorant ass.
My son's GF's family are not republican, nor are my wife's relatives there. They don't belong to any 'cabal of bigots' and they all love living there.

And, I'm a "he".

Fuck there's Democrats in PROVO, doesn't mean Provo is suddenly really moderate :D

183 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:40:18pm

re: #179 Ericus58

Actually Wrench... in this case, he should.

OK, but he or she had your gender wrong!!!1!

184 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:40:27pm

re: #176 WindUpBird

I totally see a whole bunch of Democrats making death threats in Arizona over health care

"I'll kill you! Because Medicare Part D wasn't quite...also there's this matter of you didn't go far enough with the scaling of provider payouts...we really wanted the pool for risk to be funded like..."

yeah, doesn't really add up, does it

And you have evidence of a whole lot of conservatives making actual death threats?

185 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:41:24pm

re: #184 reine.de.tout

There really have been a ton of death threats made, yes. There's no way to prove they're 'conservative', but the people sending them in are angry about the health care law, about immigration, and other issues that are generally seen as 'conservative' issues.

186 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:41:41pm

re: #180 SanFranciscoZionist

People see a handful of newspaper articles, and they get scared and stereotypey.

That said, I think AZ's got some issues right now, although I'm sure for most people it's a fine place to live.

to be fair, for me it's years and years of newspaper articles and years and years of stories about Arizona from people who used to live there

187 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:42:06pm

re: #185 Obdicut

There really have been a ton of death threats made, yes. There's no way to prove they're 'conservative', but the people sending them in are angry about the health care law, about immigration, and other issues that are generally seen as 'conservative' issues.

Well, because it's you, I'll take your word for it and won't ask for a link.

188 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:42:22pm

re: #186 WindUpBird

to be fair, for me it's years and years of newspaper articles and years and years of stories about Arizona from people who used to live there

Yeah lets ignore the evidence. Conservatives are just misunderstood.

189 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:43:40pm

re: #186 WindUpBird

to be fair, for me it's years and years of newspaper articles and years and years of stories about Arizona from people who used to live there

OK. I've only been there once, I don't have very strong feelings about the place. Except to get irritated by people who talk about them being on THE BORDER and having problems that a Californian could wot not of.

And the great majority of those people aren't from Arizona.

190 albusteve  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:43:54pm

re: #185 Obdicut

There really have been a ton of death threats made, yes. There's no way to prove they're 'conservative', but the people sending them in are angry about the health care law, about immigration, and other issues that are generally seen as 'conservative' issues.

they should be angry about those issues, but the they are not the point once some cretin makes a death threat, then all bets are off, issues wise

191 Ericus58  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:44:29pm

re: #180 SanFranciscoZionist

People see a handful of newspaper articles, and they get scared and stereotypey.

That said, I think AZ's got some issues right now, although I'm sure for most people it's a fine place to live.

No doubt there are issues to be tackled head-on. It ain't no "Pollyanna" world... just a bit more issue than other places.
I just get my dander up when a few individuals are willing to just go all "Eleventy!!1!" on emotions to stigmatize an entire area/state - especially when they go off of second-hand info.

192 albusteve  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:45:31pm

re: #186 WindUpBird

to be fair, for me it's years and years of newspaper articles and years and years of stories about Arizona from people who used to live there

I think you are a victim of some sort of mind control....the Portlandian Candidate

193 Four More Beers  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:45:41pm

re: #191 Ericus58

"Eleventy!!1!"

Still kind of the new guy here. Can you tell me what that means?

194 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:45:50pm

re: #184 reine.de.tout

And you have evidence of a whole lot of conservatives making actual death threats?

Federal judge John M. Roll received hundreds of death threats after he presided over $32 million dollar civil rights lawsuit filed by illegal immigrants against an Arizona rancher. one must wonder about the poltical climate in Arizona.

pretty sure this wasn't liberals. :P

Granted to be specific, therse are NATIVISTS, not conservatives in the "I just vote Republican" sense. The ultra-amped up illegal immigration militia weirdo guys.


it's not the 98% of conservatives in Arizona I'm worried about. it's the fringies who are empowered by the political climate. But the problem is Arizona has that political climate.

195 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:45:53pm

re: #187 reine.de.tout

Well, because it's you, I'll take your word for it and won't ask for a link.

Because I'm me, I'll provide some:

[Link: www.fox11az.com...]

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

[Link: detnews.com...]

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

196 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:47:39pm

re: #188 Amory Blaine

Yeah lets ignore the evidence. Conservatives are just misunderstood.

'Conservatives' are not the problem. The modern GOP and the hijacking of the party by FOX is the problem.

Political violence is not, by nature, more of a part of any of the political spectrum than any other.

197 Burgher  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:47:46pm

Point being that that military analogies are popular in politics.

Please explain how you can blame one party or another for the actions of a complete madman when the vitriolic politcal rhetoric is used in politics like newspeak re: #134 avanti

198 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:47:51pm

re: #195 Obdicut

Because I'm me, I'll provide some:

[Link: www.fox11az.com...]

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

[Link: detnews.com...]

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

heh.
Because you're you, I figured you would.

199 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:47:57pm

re: #186 WindUpBird

to be fair, for me it's years and years of newspaper articles and years and years of stories about Arizona from people who used to live there

for me it's this

200 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:47:58pm

re: #194 WindUpBird


That 98% allows the voilent rhetoric to flourish.

201 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:48:10pm

re: #187 reine.de.tout

Well, because it's you, I'll take your word for it and won't ask for a link.

re: #184 reine.de.tout

And you have evidence of a whole lot of conservatives making actual death threats?

Two former Democratic representatives from Arizona reportedly received numerous threats during their time in office after being placed on Sarah Palin's "crosshairs" map.

"I cannot tell you how much I wish a panty bomber would come in and just fucking blow your place up," one constituent told former Arizona Congressman Harry Mitchell, a Democrat who lost his reelection bid last year.

Another former Arizona representative, Ann Kirkpatrick, received emails calling her a "whore" and had a sewer cap thrown through her office window, The Daily Best reported.

[Link: www.rawstory.com...]

202 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:48:47pm

re: #196 Obdicut

'Conservatives' are not the problem. The modern GOP and the hijacking of the party by FOX is the problem.

Political violence is not, by nature, more of a part of any of the political spectrum than any other.

And Obdi - the comment you responded to is exactly what I was talking about on the previous thread.

Thanks for your answer here.

203 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:48:52pm

re: #197 Burgher

Point being that that military analogies are popular in politics.

Please explain how you can blame one party or another for the actions of a complete madman when the vitriolic politcal rhetoric is used in politics like newspeak

hey, grown-ups are doing real work here, kiddo

204 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:49:16pm

re: #196 Obdicut

'Conservatives' are not the problem. The modern GOP and the hijacking of the party by FOX is the problem.

Political violence is not, by nature, more of a part of any of the political spectrum than any other.

Hijacking implies some sort of involuntary takeover. That is not what is happening.

205 mickey_being_mickey  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:49:34pm

Go over to the Right Scoop blog.They blaming the liberals, RINOs, progressives, TR, the Boche, King George III, and Obama for this. Not a single far right,uh I mean dominionist blog is taking a serious hard look at this and understanding their words have meaning.

206 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:49:39pm

re: #196 Obdicut

'Conservatives' are not the problem. The modern GOP and the hijacking of the party by FOX is the problem.

Political violence is not, by nature, more of a part of any of the political spectrum than any other.


This!

207 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:50:34pm

re: #196 Obdicut

'Conservatives' are not the problem. The modern GOP and the hijacking of the party by FOX is the problem.

Political violence is not, by nature, more of a part of any of the political spectrum than any other.

If you define "conservatives" as the majority that continue to vote for extremist demagogues, then yes, conservatives are the problem. There's enough of them to repeatedly elect people lick Bachmann, and yes, they are causing problems by doing so.

208 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:50:58pm

re: #202 reine.de.tout

And Obdi - the comment you responded to is exactly what I was talking about on the previous thread.

Thanks for your answer here.

No problem-- but I hope you see that such comments are the vast exception, and not at all common.

I have no idea what it'll take for rational conservatives to get back in control of the GOP. But I really hope it happens.

209 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:51:26pm

re: #204 Amory Blaine

Hijacking implies some sort of involuntary takeover. That is not what is happening.

well, actually, I think there are people in the GOP ( Dick Lugar! About to be primaried?!?) who see it as a hijacking, because they were used to having these people under control. Now they're out of control, now Fox seems to be dictating to the GOP and not the other way around.

These guys were always around, it's just now they're empowered

210 Burgher  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:51:33pm

re: #172 Reginald Perrin

The winow does not open that often.

211 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:52:27pm

re: #210 Burgher

The winow does not open that often.

see all the actual discussion by smart people who don't just obediently repeat talking points?

Maybe you should try it!

212 avanti  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:52:45pm

re: #197 Burgher

Point being that that military analogies are popular in politics.

Please explain how you can blame one party or another for the actions of a complete madman when the vitriolic politcal rhetoric is used in politics like newspeak

The gun to knife fight comment was at a private fund raiser and was about responding to a tough political "fight"in kind. IMHO, that's a bit different than what we're hearing from some on the right.

213 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:53:40pm

re: #207 Fozzie Bear


I'm not making any bones about feeling that the modern GOP is a broken, radical party, so I'm really not sure how you're disagreeing with me.

214 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:55:10pm

re: #184 reine.de.tout

And you have evidence of a whole lot of conservatives making actual death threats?

by the way, for the record, I never called them conservatives, I referred to them as nativists, much more specific

215 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:55:55pm

So pathetic of them but it's expected.

216 Sionainn  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:56:06pm

re: #112 Amory Blaine

I'm going to visit family in Vegas next month. They wanted to give me a ride down through AZ to see the desert flowers bloom. Never again will I go to Arizona. Fucking right wing scum is too thick down there.

If you stay in extreme northern Arizona, there's not a lot of people. We were just in the House Rock/Vermilion Cliffs area a few weeks ago. It was beautiful and remote.

217 Reginald Perrin  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:56:18pm

re: #210 Burgher

The winow does not open that often.

Don't bitch to me, Charles runs the complaint department... I'm sure he will keep it open longer if you ask nicely. Better yet send him that request printed on the back of a fifty dollar bill and explain that it's difficult to register sock-puppets with such limited open registration.

218 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:56:22pm

re: #208 Obdicut

No problem-- but I hope you see that such comments are the vast exception, and not at all common.

I have no idea what it'll take for rational conservatives to get back in control of the GOP. But I really hope it happens.

Yes, they are the exception, but they really get under my skin when I see 'em, great aggravation despite the low volume. Can't help it, 'specially when I try very hard not to let my emotional reasoning take over my rational reasoning.

I don't know either, but I hope we'll begin to see a big change very soon; unfortunately, tragically, it took this shooting to open some eyes. And I'm not talking about the media and pundits. I'm talking about regular folks like me. It doesn't help me explain the point to them about the rhetoric sending the guy over the edge, when what they see is stuff like, well, the comment you responded to that I take great issue with. Most folks are like me, in the middle. The absolutes proclaimed by some about "conservatives are murdering idiots" - well, it doesn't help when I'm trying to make a convincing argument that yes, we need to be heard and we need to demand a more civil tone.

219 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:56:59pm

re: #216 Sionainn

I've been to AZ a hundred times I used to live in Vegas and go down there alot. Not anymore.

220 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:57:02pm

re: #214 WindUpBird

by the way, for the record, I never called them conservatives, I referred to them as nativists, much more specific

Yes, I wasn't taking issue with you (well, this time anyhow :-))

221 Four More Beers  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:57:03pm

Wow, what an epic FAIL for Tom Delay. He selected the judged to order the sentence! THREE YEARS, BUDDY!

From a Richmond newspaper this morning...

DeLay has chosen Senior Judge Pat Priest to sentence him. Priest says he is likely to make a quick decision after both prosecutors and defense attorneys finish presenting witnesses.

222 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:57:38pm

re: #196 Obdicut

'Conservatives' are not the problem. The modern GOP and the hijacking of the party by FOX is the problem.

Political violence is not, by nature, more of a part of any of the political spectrum than any other.

I agree -- what's happened to the GOP since Obama's election has nothing to do with real "conservatism."

I do not consider myself a "conservative," but the basic principles of sane conservatism are logically defensible and not really extreme.

The Tea Party, Family Research Council, Andrew Breitbart style of the right wing is not really "conservative" -- it's far, far right. That's what has taken over the GOP.

223 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:58:08pm

re: #218 reine.de.tout

Well, look back on garhighway's response in the last thread, and see that many, many people really, really are looking for civil discourse, even when at first glance you might think they're not.

224 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:58:17pm

re: #213 Obdicut

I'm not making any bones about feeling that the modern GOP is a broken, radical party, so I'm really not sure how you're disagreeing with me.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but I do think a lot of the deflections of criticism regarding conservative ideology have taken a "no true scotsmen" bent, to the point of absurdity.

I don't think you went there, but your post was a pivot point for me to make that point.

225 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 12:59:40pm

Form where I sit, Limbaugh, Breitbart, Levin, Hannity, Angel, Brewer, Bachmann, Paul x2, King are all conservative. How do they not represent conservatives?

226 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:00:00pm

re: #224 Fozzie Bear

Sure. And a lot of rational conservatives have been able to keep pulling the lever for the GOP because their friends are all good, rational people, and they've been GOP for such a long time... or because the Democratic opponent of the GOP in their district is a lame-ass or scumbag, so they see it as a choice between two evils. Politics is local; this is no longer true, but most people still act as though it is.

227 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:00:31pm

re: #223 Obdicut

Well, look back on garhighway's response in the last thread, and see that many, many people really, really are looking for civil discourse, even when at first glance you might think they're not.

Just did.
re: #222 Charles

I agree -- what's happened to the GOP since Obama's election has nothing to do with real "conservatism."

I do not consider myself a "conservative," but the basic principles of sane conservatism are logically defensible and not really extreme.

The Tea Party, Family Research Council, Andrew Breitbart style of the right wing is not really "conservative" -- it's far, far right. That's what has taken over the GOP.


Thank you.

228 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:00:52pm

re: #225 Amory Blaine

Form where I sit, Limbaugh, Breitbart, Levin, Hannity, Angel, Brewer, Bachmann, Paul x2, King are all conservative. How do they not represent conservatives?

I am conservative also.

229 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:01:51pm

re: #228 reine.de.tout

I am conservative also.

And those people do not represent me.
David Frum is the closest conservative who I would say "represents me".
And those you mentioned have dismissed him as "RINO!".
Which makes me one too.
But I'm still a conservative.

230 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:02:08pm

re: #226 Obdicut

Sure. And a lot of rational conservatives have been able to keep pulling the lever for the GOP because their friends are all good, rational people, and they've been GOP for such a long time... or because the Democratic opponent of the GOP in their district is a lame-ass or scumbag, so they see it as a choice between two evils. Politics is local; this is no longer true, but most people still act as though it is.

I think one of the reasons the national GOP bends me out of shape so much is it so little resembles the NW GOP

If there were more Allen Alleys in the GOP, I'd vote for them!

231 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:03:17pm

re: #196 Obdicut

'Conservatives' are not the problem. The modern GOP and the hijacking of the party by FOX is the problem.

Political violence is not, by nature, more of a part of any of the political spectrum than any other.

I keep telling everyone, they're not conservatives, they're right-wing radicals. There is nothing 'conservative' about the crazy people.

232 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:03:52pm

Where are the so called sane conservative leaders? The sheriff is being attacked by conservatives for calling to tone down the rhetoric.

233 Burgher  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:04:14pm

re: #217 Reginald Perrin
Never realized how anrgy everyone is.. I just jumped into a den of hungy wolves bent on canabalism. No chance for reasonable discussion.

I agree with Sentor Rockafeller:

'I'm tired of the right and the left," West Virginia Sen. Jay Rockefeller said Wednesday during a Senate hearing on retransmission consent. "There's a little bug inside of me which wants to get the FCC to say to Fox and to MSNBC, 'Out. Off. End. Goodbye.' "

Same should be said of LGF

234 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:04:33pm

re: #229 reine.de.tout

And those people do not represent me.
David Frum is the closest conservative who I would say "represents me".
And those you mentioned have dismissed him as "RINO!".
Which makes me one too.
But I'm still a conservative.

So what's the answer? Blue Dogs and RINOs forming a third party together? Or RINOs just taking "their" party back? With the popular support the Bachmanns and Palins are getting, I am not seeing it happening.

235 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:04:48pm

re: #225 Amory Blaine

Form where I sit, Limbaugh, Breitbart, Levin, Hannity, Angel, Brewer, Bachmann, Paul x2, King are all conservative. How do they not represent conservatives?

well, they represent their talk radio demo...

Talk radio demographics for Limbaugh etc, skew extremely old, so their shows sound out of touch to younger conservatives

236 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:05:04pm

re: #226 Obdicut

Sure. And a lot of rational conservatives have been able to keep pulling the lever for the GOP because their friends are all good, rational people, and they've been GOP for such a long time... or because the Democratic opponent of the GOP in their district is a lame-ass or scumbag, so they see it as a choice between two evils. Politics is local; this is no longer true, but most people still act as though it is.

Recent election here, my choice was:
1. Vote for the candidate who had lied to his constituents?
or
2. Vote for the candidate who had lied to his family?

Ugh.

237 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:05:23pm

re: #235 WindUpBird

well, they represent their talk radio demo...

Talk radio demographics for Limbaugh etc, skew extremely old, so their shows sound out of touch to younger conservatives

And some of us oldies.

238 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:05:57pm

re: #235 WindUpBird

well, they represent their talk radio demo...

Talk radio demographics for Limbaugh etc, skew extremely old, so their shows sound out of touch to younger conservatives

Sure they do. Young conservatives lap their bullshit up like ice cream.

239 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:06:53pm
240 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:07:17pm

re: #238 Amory Blaine

Sure they do. Young conservatives lap their bullshit up like ice cream.

What do you think you're going to achieve by saying that? What is your goal?

Generationally, the GOP are shrinking. They depend far, far more on the older generation than they used to in order to make voting numbers. This is a true thing.

241 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:07:36pm

re: #234 000G

So what's the answer? Blue Dogs and RINOs forming a third party together? Or RINOs just taking "their" party back? With the popular support the Bachmanns and Palins are getting, I am not seeing it happening.

I just don't know.
From what I'm seeing folks post on their FB pages, I believe their ears will be more open now than they were before, to the incendiary rhetoric. And these are the folks who will be voting. And not a single one of them would have a problem voting conservative Dem rather than Rep . . . if the Dems are smart, they can make some inroads. If the Reps are smart, they'll find some smarter, more serious folks to run. If the Reps don't - they're gonna lose.

242 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:07:41pm
243 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:08:43pm

re: #237 reine.de.tout

And some of us oldies.

well of course! I just mean AM radio is a "legacy" format, as opposed to say, the internet, so shows will be aimed at that demo

244 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:09:05pm

re: #231 SanFranciscoZionist

I keep telling everyone, they're not conservatives, they're right-wing radicals. There is nothing 'conservative' about the crazy people.

And when large majorities elect crazy people, are those people electing radicals not themselves radical?

245 Four More Beers  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:09:20pm

re: #242 WindUpBird


-36 Karma, Burgher. At this pace, you'll hit -100 within the hour.

246 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:09:37pm

re: #244 Fozzie Bear

And when large majorities elect crazy people, are those people electing radicals not themselves radical?

Was the entire population of the US radical back when they elected people who thought whites were superior to blacks?

247 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:09:48pm

re: #240 Obdicut

What do you think you're going to achieve by saying that? What is your goal?

Generationally, the GOP are shrinking. They depend far, far more on the older generation than they used to in order to make voting numbers. This is a true thing.

Yes. They are. Young conservatives vote for the republican party. Their party is full of radical bigots.

248 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:10:16pm

re: #238 Amory Blaine

Sure they do. Young conservatives lap their bullshit up like ice cream.

My young conservative friends don't :D But they're sort of the contingent of ex-Ron-Paul libertarian irreligious people who currently simply say 'I don't have a political party".

249 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:10:31pm

re: #232 Amory Blaine

Where are the so called sane conservative leaders? The sheriff is being attacked by conservatives for calling to tone down the rhetoric.

They're on city councils, they in state legislatures, quietly going about their business, building a governmental record to run on - they're not on the news, being interviewed by media,

250 garhighway  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:11:01pm

re: #241 reine.de.tout

I just don't know.
From what I'm seeing folks post on their FB pages, I believe their ears will be more open now than they were before, to the incendiary rhetoric. And these are the folks who will be voting. And not a single one of them would have a problem voting conservative Dem rather than Rep . . . if the Dems are smart, they can make some inroads. If the Reps are smart, they'll find some smarter, more serious folks to run. If the Reps don't - they're gonna lose.

If we were try to come up with a working definition of a "common-sense conservative" (I just made that term up, I think), what would it be?

Is that a fiscal conservative less the socon baggage?

Is it someone who believes that tax cuts have to get paid for just like program costs?

What would their manifesto be?

251 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:11:19pm

re: #246 Obdicut

Was the entire population of the US radical back when they elected people who thought whites were superior to blacks?

Relative to the past 10-20 years, yes, extremely. Relative to then, not at all.

252 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:12:09pm

re: #249 reine.de.tout

They're on city councils, they in state legislatures, quietly going about their business, building a governmental record to run on - they're not on the news, being interviewed by media,

Maybe they should be. For the sake of the country.

253 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:12:17pm

re: #250 garhighway

If we were try to come up with a working definition of a "common-sense conservative" (I just made that term up, I think), what would it be?

Is that a fiscal conservative less the socon baggage?

Is it someone who believes that tax cuts have to get paid for just like program costs?

What would their manifesto be?

this is my vote for a common sense conservative: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

depressing that in the guv primary he lost to a basketball player. :(

254 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:12:18pm

re: #247 Amory Blaine

Yes. They are. Young conservatives vote for the republican party. Their party is full of radical bigots.

Yes, many young conservatives vote for the Republican party. Yes, there is a distressing amount of bigotry in the GOP, as evidenced by the birthers and those protesting birthright citizenship.

However, it is still true that the GOP is aging rapidly, and that fewer young people are joining the GOP. And many young conservatives are remaining independents.

255 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:12:49pm
256 Four More Beers  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:12:57pm

re: #248 WindUpBird

Exactly! I was discussing this with a friend from Austin who's a slightly-left-of-center Democrat from Austin, and I told him I'm a man without a party.

257 Burgher  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:12:58pm

re: #239 jamesfirecat

Most of here at LGF would prefer to expose lies regardless of the political leanings of the person who tells them rather than just flat out censor TV stations...

That is where I was going. But the cacophony of hoots an holler from the peanut galleries does not a reasonable dicussion make.

258 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:13:16pm
259 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:14:00pm

re: #251 Fozzie Bear

Relative to the past 10-20 years, yes, extremely. Relative to then, not at all.

Which is pretty much my point. People do not have utter freedom of choice in what they're exposed to and what they believe. Remember all the stories of people here talking about their elderly parents' reactions to FOX News. Sure, it's the responsibility of the voters, but I place a lot more blame on the propagandists and the politicians and corporations who benefit from that propaganda.

260 jaunte  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:14:58pm

re: #257 Burgher

That is where I was going. But the cacophony of hoots an holler from the peanut galleries does not a reasonable dicussion make.

Welcome, peanut.

261 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:15:36pm

re: #250 garhighway

If we were try to come up with a working definition of a "common-sense conservative" (I just made that term up, I think), what would it be?

Is that a fiscal conservative less the socon baggage?

Is it someone who believes that tax cuts have to get paid for just like program costs?

What would their manifesto be?

Well, someone just like me, of course!
LOL.

Someone with firm conservative conviction, who nevertheless understands our process, our way of government enough, and trusts it enough, to know that the world and the country are NOT going to fall apart if a Dem is President, or if some liberal piece of legislation is passed.

That "trust" part is the hard part. And I see that lack of trust from far-left liberals when a Rep is President, and I see that lack from trust from certain elements of the right-wing when a Dem is President. Every time.

262 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:15:50pm

re: #257 Burgher

That is where I was going. But the cacophony of hoots an holler from the peanut galleries does not a reasonable dicussion make.

Then do yourself a favor, drop this thread and try and start on a new one, as Dark Falcon would tell you if he was on, when you're in a hole stop digging.

263 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:16:12pm

re: #259 Obdicut

Which is pretty much my point. People do not have utter freedom of choice in what they're exposed to and what they believe. Remember all the stories of people here talking about their elderly parents' reactions to FOX News. Sure, it's the responsibility of the voters, but I place a lot more blame on the propagandists and the politicians and corporations who benefit from that propaganda.

What about the lack of sophistication of the audience you mentioned before?

People are free turn down predatory loan offers they know they will never be able to pay back.

People are also free to change the channel or turn off the TV.

264 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:16:18pm

re: #257 Burgher

That is where I was going. But the cacophony of hoots an holler from the peanut galleries does not a reasonable dicussion make.

YOU'RE the one doing the hootin' and hollerin', insults in response to comments, etc.
Please go.

265 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:16:42pm

re: #261 reine.de.tout

Heh. Part of the problem is the world really is going to fall apart if we don't band together to address AGW.

It's falling.

266 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:17:36pm

re: #263 000G

And yet people don't. I prefer dealing with people the way they actually are, rather than how i'd like them to be. To better people, you have to start where they actually are.

267 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:17:45pm

re: #256 Kid A

Exactly! I was discussing this with a friend from Austin who's a slightly-left-of-center Democrat from Austin, and I told him I'm a man without a party.

Basically if someone was a Bush voter, and a friend of mine that's my age-ish (I have a BUNCH of friends like that) almost to the last man, they now consider themselves disgusted independents.

268 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:17:54pm
269 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:19:03pm

re: #268 Burgher

If you've read my posts on this thread you will see that I have made a 'conribution' . Most of the replies to that have bee what you speak of, general insults.

You are repeating a script, that a bunch of guys came here and repeated first.

You're saying the exact same things they said, almost with the same language, about the Giffords shooting.


So we lose patience.

270 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:19:07pm

re: #265 Obdicut

Heh. Part of the problem is the world really is going to fall apart if we don't band together to address AGW.

It's falling.

Where are the "sane" conservative leaders on that issue? *crickets*

Oh I know!!!! They have their nose to the grindstone doing the will of the people. Bullshit.

271 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:19:23pm

re: #266 Obdicut

And yet people don't. I prefer dealing with people the way they actually are, rather than how i'd like them to be. To better people, you have to start where they actually are.

Oh yeah, I agree. But you were talking about blaming the propagandists. I was adding to that that the propaganda wasn't forcefed and thus there being a fair share of blame on the audience's part.

272 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:19:57pm

re: #268 Burgher

basically, don't come here and post things that sound like they're from #tcot on twitter. We don't like it.

273 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:20:17pm

re: #259 Obdicut

Which is pretty much my point. People do not have utter freedom of choice in what they're exposed to and what they believe. Remember all the stories of people here talking about their elderly parents' reactions to FOX News. Sure, it's the responsibility of the voters, but I place a lot more blame on the propagandists and the politicians and corporations who benefit from that propaganda.

Agreed. However, if you vote for crazies, repeatedly, you are supporting madness.

I would say that Fox bears the blame for making so many people crazy, but those crazy people STILL bear the responsibility of electing the people they do.

274 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:20:36pm

#233 is deleted.
I quoted it in #255, and so did Talon in #258.

275 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:20:54pm

re: #270 Amory Blaine

Yes. There aren't any conservative leaders, at least on the national level, who have the guts to stand up to the anti-science streak in the GOP.

But instead of castigating conservatives for this, I note that their beliefs on this have actually shifted, becoming more denialist over the past ten years. This is, I believe, in response to a large propaganda campaign.

So I see little point in simply berating conservatives, and much more point in trying to expose those propagandists.

276 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:21:02pm
277 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:21:11pm

re: #271 000G

I'm really not interested in blame, though.

278 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:21:16pm

re: #276 SanFranciscoZionist

I think he might have just flounced, heh

279 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:21:56pm

re: #244 Fozzie Bear

And when large majorities elect crazy people, are those people electing radicals not themselves radical?

Sure. I just want to save the word 'conservative' for normal people.

280 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:22:07pm

re: #275 Obdicut

Yes. There aren't any conservative leaders, at least on the national level, who have the guts to stand up to the anti-science streak in the GOP.

But instead of castigating conservatives for this, I note that their beliefs on this have actually shifted, becoming more denialist over the past ten years. This is, I believe, in response to a large propaganda campaign.

So I see little point in simply berating conservatives, and much more point in trying to expose those propagandists.

yes.

281 Four More Beers  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:22:08pm

re: #268 Burgher

If you've read my posts on this thread you will see that I have made a 'conribution' . Most of the replies to that have bee what you speak of, general insults.

Until you learn how to spell like at LEAST a middle-school graduate, take your pea-sized brain somewhere else, pretty please?

282 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:22:10pm

re: #275 Obdicut

I believe a healthy dose of berating along with exposing propagandists are in order.

283 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:22:12pm

re: #273 Fozzie Bear

Sure. They bear the responsibility. Doesn't get us anywhere. The question is how to get them to change.

284 Reginald Perrin  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:22:20pm

re: #268 Burgher

You're digging that hole deeper by playing victim.

285 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:22:24pm

re: #276 SanFranciscoZionist


You're not coming in, any of you sudden brand-new people, and saying in a clear way either "I think that rhetoric from both sides of the aisle is hot right now, and it's a problem", or "I think heated political rhetoric is fine, and I don't think it has any potential to inspire violence".


You got a point? Make it.

All of the sudden brand new people think they're REALLY ORIGINAL

that's the best thing of all :D

286 Burgher  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:22:46pm

re: #272 WindUpBird

basically, don't come here and post things that sound like they're from #tcot on twitter. We don't like it.


Never hoid a the bum

287 Four More Beers  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:23:53pm

re: #267 WindUpBird

Basically if someone was a Bush voter, and a friend of mine that's my age-ish (I have a BUNCH of friends like that) almost to the last man, they now consider themselves disgusted independents.

I voted for him four times (twice as governor), and "disgusted independent" doesn't even begin to describe me, but it's close! Ha ha ha!

288 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:24:02pm

re: #277 Obdicut

I'm really not interested in blame, though.

Okay, but it was you who wrote:

Sure, it's the responsibility of the voters, but I place a lot more blame on the propagandists and the politicians and corporations who benefit from that propaganda.

289 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:24:12pm

re: #283 Obdicut

Sure. They bear the responsibility. Doesn't get us anywhere. The question is how to get them to change.

I just don't see any way to counter that level of well-funded, skillful, and continuous propaganda. I don't think it can be done, when the money that would be required to do so just doesn't exist on the other side.

I don't have much hope for the US, frankly. It's just sad.

290 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:24:28pm

re: #286 Burgher

Never hoid a the bum

Then you clearly haven't been reading LGF long enough...

291 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:24:43pm

re: #278 WindUpBird

I think he might have just flounced, heh

It was mostly for everyone else, anyway. Seriously. If Democrats are saying that stuff that's skeeving out Republicans the same way I feel skeeved out, then please let me know.

I've been afraid for months that someone was going to get killed over this crap. This is no way to run the United States of America.

292 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:25:11pm

re: #287 Kid A

Victims. All of them.

/

293 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:25:22pm

re: #281 Kid A

If you've read my posts on this thread you will see that I have made a 'conribution' . Most of the replies to that have bee what you speak of, general insults.

Until you learn how to spell like at LEAST a middle-school graduate, take your pea-sized brain somewhere else, pretty please?

I don't think those are spelling errors. He's typing so fast he skips letters. I do that. More often than I like.

294 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:25:31pm

re: #288 000G

Fair enough; I used 'blame'. But what I mean is that the reason things are the way they are is because of those propagandists more than it is their audience; FOX news is not simply serving a market, they're creating a market, they're pushing people to want their idiocy.

295 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:25:50pm

re: #285 WindUpBird

All of the sudden brand new people think they're REALLY ORIGINAL

that's the best thing of all :D

Yeah. After the third or fourth repetition...

296 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:26:09pm

re: #289 Fozzie Bear

I just don't see any way to counter that level of well-funded, skillful, and continuous propaganda. I don't think it can be done, when the money that would be required to do so just doesn't exist on the other side.

I don't have much hope for the US, frankly. It's just sad.

It's not just the US, though. It's the world, and, probably, the survival of the human species.

So we gotta try.

297 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:27:35pm

re: #287 Kid A

Basically if someone was a Bush voter, and a friend of mine that's my age-ish (I have a BUNCH of friends like that) almost to the last man, they now consider themselves disgusted independents.

I voted for him four times (twice as governor), and "disgusted independent" doesn't even begin to describe me, but it's close! Ha ha ha!

I'm basically an Orgeon democrat who doesn't always vote straight ticket :D But in Portland, it's pretty easy, there's rarely anyone totally nuts running. And when they ars, they're running as independents

What we get are all these pigs with their wacko ballot measures, those are basically the unfinished sub-basement politics of the scumbags in the Northwest. They're either doing some radical anti-tax thing that later gets overturned by the state supreme court, wasting everyone's time, or they're trying to screw gay people, or they're just trying to sabotage government outright.

298 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:29:05pm

re: #289 Fozzie Bear

There is no way. re: #289 Fozzie Bear

The so called sane conservatives have to "rise up" against their own leaders and demand that the violent rhetoric and the birther bullshit be stopped immediately.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

299 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:30:42pm

re: #294 Obdicut

Fair enough; I used 'blame'. But what I mean is that the reason things are the way they are is because of those propagandists more than it is their audience; FOX news is not simply serving a market, they're creating a market, they're pushing people to want their idiocy.

Pushing… like physical pushing, or pushing like in drug-peddling? Don't get me wrong, but it's still a free country, and that might be a banal observation, but I think it is key for any possible change. And I fear that anything else but a concerted effort in counter-propaganda is doomed to fail.

300 Four More Beers  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:32:02pm

re: #297 WindUpBird

If you're interested, I'll post a link to today's Houston Chronicle (I live 30 miles north of Houston in The Woodlands) about the incoming Baggers and what's on tap the next few months legislatively. The R's have 2/3 of both houses, and The Coif running for President is Governor. Should be entertaining, to say the least.

301 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:32:02pm

re: #299 000G

Pushing… like physical pushing, or pushing like in drug-peddling?

Neither. Pushing, as in, using propaganda to influence popular sentiment.

And I fear that anything else but a concerted effort in counter-propaganda is doomed to fail.

I have no solution.

302 Ben G. Hazi  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:33:09pm

re: #274 reine.de.tout

#233 is deleted.
I quoted it in #255, and so did Talon in #258.

Aw, hell...and I gave them what-for, too.

Eh, shouldn't have quoted them...

303 spocomptonite  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:33:29pm

re: #149 Amory Blaine

If I had family in Arizona, I'd tell them to move.

I have family in Arizona. I just tell them to remain sane. I mean, everyone can do their part regardless of region.

304 Burgher  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:34:35pm

re: #276 SanFranciscoZionist

Sorry, but BS. I'm going to say to you what I've wanted to say to everyone who's jumped on with your same talking points.

You're not coming in, any of you sudden brand-new people, and saying in a clear way either "I think that rhetoric from both sides of the aisle is hot right now, and it's a problem", or "I think heated political rhetoric is fine, and I don't think it has any potential to inspire violence".

Instead, you come in all bitter and stoked up, with some proof, PROOF, that Obama once said something about a gun, so what about that, what about that, what about that, huh, huh, huh? And people disagree, so you get bitter about that.

You got a point? Make it.

Not bitter, not stoked, not angry. I posted the qoute from Sen. Rock from WV because I am of the same opinion. The Pres. Obama quotes have been used by the right just as the crop marks (cross hairs) form Palins web sight have been used by the left to blame or associate them with unsavory positions or blame them for things which are not in their control.

Six degrees of guilty by association.

305 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:34:37pm

re: #300 Kid A

If you're interested, I'll post a link to today's Houston Chronicle (I live 30 miles north of Houston in The Woodlands) about the incoming Baggers and what's on tap the next few months legislatively. The R's have 2/3 of both houses, and The Coif running for President is Governor. Should be entertaining, to say the least.

oooh man *_*

306 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:34:57pm

re: #304 Burgher

Not bitter, not stoked, not angry. I posted the qoute from Sen. Rock from WV because I am of the same opinion. The Pres. Obama quotes have been used by the right just as the crop marks (cross hairs) form Palins web sight have been used by the left to blame or associate them with unsavory positions or blame them for things which are not in their control.

Six degrees of guilty by association.

talking points: still not working on us dude

307 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:37:37pm

re: #304 Burgher

You are clinging to the lie that both sides are engaging in it.

308 Burgher  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:38:32pm

re: #281 Kid A

If you've read my posts on this thread you will see that I have made a 'conribution' . Most of the replies to that have bee what you speak of, general insults.

Until you learn how to spell like at LEAST a middle-school graduate, take your pea-sized brain somewhere else, pretty please?

Thank you Sister Mary Margaret Spellnazi. Please don't hit me with your ruler. I will try to the better next time.

309 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:39:27pm

re: #308 Burgher

You're really good at failing very quickly.

310 Four More Beers  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:39:39pm

re: #306 WindUpBird

Here you go. The headline says it all.

Your text to link...

311 Burgher  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:40:09pm

re: #306 WindUpBird

talking points: still not working on us dude

Speak for yourself, or is this the collective? BORG

312 makeitstop  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:40:34pm

Hammer DeLay got jail time from a Texas jury?

Now I can say I've sen everything.

313 Four More Beers  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:42:12pm

re: #308 Burgher

Tool, your karma is at -73 now. Wanna restart?

314 Four More Beers  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:42:59pm

re: #312 makeitstop

Yeah, and he selected the judge for sentencing!!!!

315 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:43:29pm

re: #304 Burgher

Not bitter, not stoked, not angry. I posted the qoute from Sen. Rock from WV because I am of the same opinion. The Pres. Obama quotes have been used by the right just as the crop marks (cross hairs) form Palins web sight have been used by the left to blame or associate them with unsavory positions or blame them for things which are not in their control.

Six degrees of guilty by association.

Can you give me some links indicating that people have expressed concern that the President's word might incite violence? I mean, before Saturday?

316 Four More Beers  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:43:50pm

re: #312 makeitstop

Sorry, convicted by the jury, sentenced by the judge. Hilarious nonetheless...

317 Four More Beers  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:45:14pm

re: #312 makeitstop

[Link: www.chron.com...]

Fresh off the presses!

318 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:45:19pm

re: #281 Kid A

If you've read my posts on this thread you will see that I have made a 'conribution' . Most of the replies to that have bee what you speak of, general insults.

Until you learn how to spell like at LEAST a middle-school graduate, take your pea-sized brain somewhere else, pretty please?

we all make typing mistakes
it's better to Deal with issues rather than making what amounts to an ad hominem attack

319 Burgher  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:45:24pm

re: #313 Kid A

Tool, your karma is at -73 now. Wanna restart?

Oh. It's a game? I thought you were all being serious.

320 Reginald Perrin  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:48:23pm

re: #319 Burgher

Oh. It's a game? I thought you were all being serious.

You are the one who is playing the games. What is it that you think you are accomplishing this afternoon?

321 Burgher  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:48:30pm

re: #315 SanFranciscoZionist

Can you give me some links indicating that people have expressed concern that the President's word might incite violence? I mean, before Saturday?


No I cannot and neither can the right wing. That is my point. It is also my point that the left has no proof that Palin caused the shooter to go off the deep end.

322 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:50:08pm

re: #321 Burgher

No I cannot and neither can the right wing. That is my point. It is also my point that the left has no proof that Palin caused the shooter to go off the deep end.

Maybe she didn't. This time. Should we all bury our head in the sand though?

323 Burgher  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:50:13pm

re: #320 Reginald Perrin

You are the one who is playing the games. What is it that you think you are accomplishing this afternoon?

Wondering if anyone can be reasonable anymore.

324 Reginald Perrin  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:51:40pm

re: #321 Burgher

Nobody here has claimed that Palin is solely responsible.

The sum total of all the GOP violent rhetoric may have been a contributing factor.

Take your straw-man and shove it up you a$$.

325 Mickey_being_mickey  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:51:47pm

Anyone see this about Saint Sarah's Facebook page?

Your text to link...

Your text to link...

326 Burgher  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:52:10pm

re: #322 Amory Blaine

Maybe she didn't. This time. Should we all bury our head in the sand though?

No but the constant bickering on both side of the aisle may lead to the same violent or tragic end.

327 palomino  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:52:30pm

re: #87 Burgher

Up to this point there are at least 70 comments with the kind of vitriol the Sherrif is talking about.

It's the same on both sides dontchaknow

Bullshit. We may dislike the far right as much as they hate us. But we don't traffic in violent political imagery here. Some on the left do, but it's predominantly a right wing phenomenon at this point in history.

328 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:52:31pm

re: #321 Burgher

No I cannot and neither can the right wing. That is my point. It is also my point that the left has no proof that Palin caused the shooter to go off the deep end.

Which would be a valid argument if it wasn't a strawman.

Is anyone here claiming that Palin caused this guy to go crazy? If so please provide links...

329 Burgher  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:53:40pm

re: #324 Reginald Perrin

Nobody here has claimed that Palin is solely responsible.

The sum total of all the GOP violent rhetoric may have been a contributing factor.

Take your straw-man and shove it up you a$$.

That's what I call reasonable.

330 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:55:09pm

re: #329 Burgher

That's what I call reasonable.

Once again I would reasonably suggest you move to a different thread and a different topic.

You're only digging yourself in deeper at this point...

331 makeitstop  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:55:19pm

re: #316 Kid A

Sorry, convicted by the jury, sentenced by the judge. Hilarious nonetheless...

Point taken. I'm flabbergasted nonetheless.

332 Burgher  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:57:09pm

re: #328 jamesfirecat

Which would be a valid argument if it wasn't a strawman.

Is anyone here claiming that Palin caused this guy to go crazy? If so please provide links...


No one HERE that I have read. My comment was on the blame game in general.
[Link: www.examiner.com...]

333 palomino  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:57:38pm

re: #102 Burgher

Who said... If they bring a knife to the fight.. we bring a gun.

Who said ' we will punish our enemies'

who said ' you need to get in their faces'

Need more?

You're pathetically grasping at straws. The latter two have no more implied violence than what a teacher says to his misbehaving pupils. The first is an old saying in politics, been around forever.

You're trying to build a case for equivalency using three out of context quotes. While on the other side there a literally thousands of t-shirts, placards, speeches, emails, etc. filled with hysterical anti-Obama, anti-Dem explicity violent rhetoric.

334 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:59:11pm

re: #332 Burgher

No one HERE that I have read. My comment was on the blame game in general.
[Link: www.examiner.com...]

You've made you argument people are finding it unconvincing.

You're also at this point just exchanging fire with other posters rather than dealing with facts or issues actually worth arguing about.

I really do suggest you move to another thread soon and save yourself the headache of getting into a flame war...

335 Reginald Perrin  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 1:59:40pm

re: #333 palomino

You're pathetically grasping at straws. The latter two have no more implied violence than what a teacher says to his misbehaving pupils. The first is an old saying in politics, been around forever.

You're trying to build a case for equivalency using three out of context quotes. While on the other side there a literally thousands of t-shirts, placards, speeches, emails, etc. filled with hysterical anti-Obama, anti-Dem explicity violent rhetoric.

The Magic Balance Fairy told him it was fine with her.

336 Burgher  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 2:00:36pm

re: #334 jamesfirecat

Very well

337 palomino  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 2:01:16pm

re: #112 Amory Blaine

I'm going to visit family in Vegas next month. They wanted to give me a ride down through AZ to see the desert flowers bloom. Never again will I go to Arizona. Fucking right wing scum is too thick down there.

I wish you were wrong about AZ, the state that borders mine. But here's a really good article showing that you're not wrong. How the far right governs in AZ.

338 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 2:01:49pm

re: #321 Burgher

No I cannot and neither can the right wing. That is my point. It is also my point that the left has no proof that Palin caused the shooter to go off the deep end.

I don't think Palin caused the shooter to do anything.

I disagree with you that inflammatory political rhetoric is safe and neutral.

339 palomino  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 2:03:33pm

re: #126 WindUpBird

I will say, I won't be surprised if Dupnik is heading for higher office :-) I would love for this guy to be considered "America's sheriff" and not that crook Arpiao

Dupnik is AZ's future. Arpaio, with his populist "lock em all up" and anti-immigrant views is the state's past. Only a question of how long before paths cross.

340 Four More Beers  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 2:06:50pm

re: #329 Burgher

Okay, Burgher. Since I'm still new here, I shouldn't have ripped into you for your typos. Rookie mistake. And while I'm not speaking for anyone on LGF, I think I can summarize: I think the point everyone on this thread is trying to make to you is that the rhetoric the past two years is a growing, collective problem that may, MAY have contributed to what happened, not just on Saturday to those poor people, but could happen again in the future if it doesn't calm down. No one here has accused Palin, or Beck, or the TP or anyone on the left, either, for what happened. That being said, while Sarah Palin did have cross-hairs on her website "targeting" twenty congressional districts, and lied by calling them "surveyor symbols," it's one example of MANY, MANY others.

341 palomino  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 2:09:12pm

re: #328 jamesfirecat

Which would be a valid argument if it wasn't a strawman.

Is anyone here claiming that Palin caused this guy to go crazy? If so please provide links...

No, Palin is just one more match thrown onto a powder keg that keeps getting dangerously close to exploding.

342 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 2:09:57pm

re: #233 Burgher

Bye bye Burgher.

343 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 2:19:01pm

re: #337 palomino

Great read thanks for the link.

344 Four More Beers  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 2:25:11pm

re: #337 palomino

Same here. I bookmarked it. Had a somewhat related story to the all the TPs coming into the Texas Congress tomorrow in the Houston Chronicle.

345 krypto  Mon, Jan 10, 2011 5:17:15pm

This PBS video from 2008 is about right-wing hate radio and TV at that point. At around 7:45 - 8:15 on the video there's a clip of Glenn Beck talking on the air about murdering Michael Moore.

Youtube Video

Or:
[Link: www.pbs.org...]

"GLENN BECK:"I'm thinking about killing Michael Moore and I'm wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it. No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out of him. Is this wrong?"

346 usufruct  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 8:31:16am

What is horrifying is that one of our state representatives, Rep. Jack Harper, who is a total wack-a-loon but well within normal of the AZGOP , is publicly blaming Dupnick for this. Not only that but he them goes into this bizarre little rant: "When everyone is carrying a firearm, nobody is going to be a victim. The socialists of today are only one gun confiscation away from being the communists of tomorrow."


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