Our quote of the day comes from Jonathan Martin’s poignantly titled piece for Politico, “Is Rick Perry Dumb?”
“If Karl Rove hadn’t been my consultant, I would not have been agriculture commissioner today,” Perry told the Dallas Morning News in 1994, adding: “My brain is like a chicken pot pie. His is like a refrigerator that is all very organized — pickles here, salad there.”
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jamesfirecat Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:44:33pm |
Its also like a refrigerator in that it sucks in all warmth nearby leaving behind only coldness in its wake.
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:45:13pm |
Bad analogy. Chicken pot pie has a legitimate use if you're hungry. Goodhair, not so much.
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austin_blue Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:47:12pm |
re: #4 Gus 802
I guess this means that Rick Perry is baked all the time.
Only the once! Never did it again...
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BongCrodny Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:51:01pm |
I think Perry's brain is more like Kiviak -- a traditional Greenland dish consisting of a seabird stuffed inside a seal and then buried underground for up to six months until liquefaction.
Okay, maybe not the seabird and the seal and the six months, but "buried until liquefaction" seems to be appropriately descriptive.
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freetoken Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:51:49pm |
Chicken pot pie, another North American savory pie favorite, is usually filled with a cream-and-chicken based mixture, and topped with a savory pastry crust. The chicken pot pie was the first frozen pot pie available in the US, developed by the Swanson company in 1951 (and as the saying goes, the rest is history for TV dinners and frozen convenience foods.)
Rick Perry, the Swanson frozen entree of Presidential candidates - pre-processed, pre-cooked, and the packaging is prettier than the contents.
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austin_blue Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:52:42pm |
re: #3 Shiplord Kirel
Bad analogy. Chicken pot pie has a legitimate use if you're hungry. Goodhair, not so much.
When I was matriculating in New Orleans, we would hit the Schwegmann's and buy a Swanson's Tuna Pot Pie and a Beef Pot Pie. Add a quart of Dixie--Surf and Turf!
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:55:23pm |
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Ben G. Hazi Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:58:18pm |
re: #8 freetoken
Rick Perry, the Swanson frozen entree of Presidential candidates - pre-processed, pre-cooked, and the packaging is prettier than the contents.
As far as frozen pot pies go, Marie Callendar's is pretty good.
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jaunte Mon, Aug 29, 2011 5:59:35pm |
“Pilots execute flight plans,” Miller said. “They have a plan, they fly a certain pattern and that’s the way he’s always operated — he has a flight plan for what he’s trying to do and he executes.”
Someone created the flight plan, but it's not Perry.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:01:18pm |
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:01:27pm |
re: #11 talon_262
As far as frozen pot pies go, Marie Callendar's is pretty good.
I've been on extended hikes where the last several meals were meat bars and bouillon...I didn't complain
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What, me worry? Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:02:04pm |
No kitty! That's my pot pie!
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b_Snark Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:03:04pm |
re: #10 albusteve
what's to hate?
Too much like stew in a crust.
I don't like my foods to be so mixed up. As a kid I hated my food to touch each other and I would have to finish a type of food before starting to eat another.
I'm weird.
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:03:28pm |
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:03:40pm |
re: #16 b_sharp
Too much like stew in a crust.
I don't like my foods to be so mixed up. As a kid I hated my food to touch each other and I would have to finish a type of food before starting to eat another.
I'm weird.
tough guy
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Charles Johnson Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:04:05pm |
A real baked-from-scratch chicken pot pie with all fresh ingredients is pretty awesome.
That's not what Rick Perry's brain is like.
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b_Snark Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:05:02pm |
re: #17 Varek Raith
What?!
If the grand creator had wanted chicken in a pot, she would have made them round.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:05:03pm |
my PEAS are touching my CHICKEN!....WTF?
MOM!
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jamesfirecat Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:06:13pm |
re: #20 Charles
A real baked-from-scratch chicken pot pie with all fresh ingredients is pretty awesome.
That's not what Rick Perry's brain is like.
///Charles Johnson admits to canibalisim and secret experiments to extract portions of Rick Perry's brain so as to figure out what it tastes like!!!
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:06:54pm |
I grew up on home made noodles, home made dumplings...that sort of thing....fond, delicious memories
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:07:05pm |
My biggest complaint against modern pot pies is the super secret crisping film they add to the packaging. It's some kind of grey film on the inside of the box that looks like it was developed by Aperture Science. It gives off a plastic smell that indicates some sort of toxicity to me. Other than that, I fully endorse the pot pie concept.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:08:19pm |
Filling for fish pie from the F Word
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Targetpractice Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:09:04pm |
re: #23 jamesfirecat
///Charles Johnson admits to canibalisim and secret experiments to extract portions of Rick Perry's brain so as to figure out what it tastes like!!!
"Tastes like baby food!"
/(Obscure reference moment)
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:09:09pm |
re: #25 Killgore Trout
My biggest complaint against modern pot pies is the super secret crisping film they add to the packaging. It's some kind of grey film on the inside of the box that looks like it was developed by Aperture Science. It gives off a plastic smell that indicates some sort of toxicity to me. Other than that, I fully endorse the pot pie concept.
I dump them out and bake them in a pie pan...no hypervolic toxic paper poisoning for me
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:11:15pm |
re: #20 Charles
A real baked-from-scratch chicken pot pie with all fresh ingredients is pretty awesome.
That's not what Rick Perry's brain is like.
More like this:
"Nasty meat Poptarts."
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BenghaziHoops Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:13:26pm |
So far the Monday night Football game..Giants and Jets..Pretty much is a sloppy yawner of a game..Well except for the Fight...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:13:36pm |
I got deathly ill after eating Chicken Pot Pie as a teenager. Never ate it again (was homemade).
I know I wouldn't like it if it had brains innit.
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Eclectic Infidel Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:13:39pm |
re: #20 Charles
A real baked-from-scratch chicken pot pie with all fresh ingredients is pretty awesome.
That's not what Rick Perry's brain is like.
It has plenty of freezer burn and should have been discarded last year.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:14:08pm |
BTW, I don't think Perry is stupid. He's a fundamentalist and a Republican so he just plays one on TV. Bush did it too.
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:15:12pm |
re: #32 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I got deathly ill after eating Chicken Pot Pie as a teenager. Never ate it again (was homemade).
I know I wouldn't like it if it had brains innit.
Well, damn.
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freetoken Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:15:22pm |
re: #29 albusteve
When I (rarely) eat a frozen meal, I take them out of their plastic containers and put them in a glass container to do the cooking/reheating.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:15:28pm |
re: #30 goddamnedfrank
More like this:
[Video]"Nasty meat Poptarts."
in Jamaica, they roll up a bunch of whatever is lying around in dough and deep fry them...simply called patties...their national burger and usually they are delicious
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Meitantei Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:16:54pm |
re: #34 Killgore Trout
Bush wasn't stupid. Bush was just naive about how things would turn out, and so it led to really terrible consequences like Iraq. I am absolutely certain Bush really did think that Iraq had WMDs, and that the Iraqis really would come out with flowers and hugs. Maybe that's stupidity, maybe it's lack of experience. But honestly, I think he had some good ideas, but just didn't know how to execute them.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:17:49pm |
re: #34 Killgore Trout
BTW, I don't think Perry is stupid. He's a fundamentalist and a Republican so he just plays one on TV. Bush did it too.
SOUNDS SO MUCH LIKE BUSH
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:18:15pm |
I'll be honest. I don't actually like chicken pot pie.
Probably this is because my mother never made them, so I only know store-bought.
Still.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:18:51pm |
re: #39 Meitantei
I am of the opinion that Bush wasn't stupid, but he wasn't intellectually curious either
And I think intellectual curiosity is essential for running the country
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:18:55pm |
re: #28 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
"Tastes like baby food!"
/(Obscure reference moment)
But would you buy it for a dollar?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:19:16pm |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:19:57pm |
Hmmm.
How can we carry this one forward?
My brain is like a sausage. You really don't want to know what's in there.
My brain is like a chocolate chip cookie. Warm, gooey, and all-American.
My brain is like hash. It's fried.
My brain is like the knife drawer. Too sharp for you!
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Amory Blaine Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:21:37pm |
I love chicken pot pie. beef pot pie, any pot pie. Plus any pot or pie also :P
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Eclectic Infidel Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:22:40pm |
On the flip side, a freshly made pot pie would be wonderful right now. What oh what is in my fridge..
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BenghaziHoops Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:24:33pm |
re: #45 EmmmieG
Hmmm.
How can we carry this one forward?
My brain is like a sausage. You really don't want to know what's in there.
My brain is like a chocolate chip cookie. Warm, gooey, and all-American.
My brain is like hash. It's fried.
My brain is like the knife drawer. Too sharp for you!
My Brain
Is a very very very nice brain
With 2 cats in the yard
Life used to be so hard
But every thing is easy cause of you..
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:25:44pm |
re: #49 HoosierHoops
My Brain
Is a very very very nice brain
With 2 cats in the yard
Life used to be so hard
But every thing is easy cause of you..
which reminds me
CSNY
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:25:49pm |
Zombie-Pot
Zombie-Pot
Zombie-Pot-Pie...
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:27:07pm |
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:27:21pm |
re: #50 albusteve
whoops...don't know how that happened
scuse me
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:28:31pm |
re: #15 marjoriemoon
No kitty! That's my pot pie!
[Video]
Charles, marjoriemoon is being a liberal again!
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:28:35pm |
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BenghaziHoops Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:28:42pm |
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:29:16pm |
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BongCrodny Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:29:35pm |
re: #49 HoosierHoops
My Brain
Is a very very very nice brain
With 2 cats in the yard
Life used to be so hard
But every thing is easy cause of you..
...and I wonder, still I wonder,
Who'll stop Rick's Brain?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:29:38pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:29:47pm |
re: #52 albusteve
picky eaters annoy me...man up
I used to be as a kid, I fougut my way into being rational, I just decided I had had enough of limited options *_*
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:31:43pm |
re: #62 WindUpBird
I used to be as a kid, I fougut my way into being rational, I just decided I had had enough of limited options *_*
good for you..kids grow out of it unless they are enabled
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Atlas Fails Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:32:15pm |
re: #39 Meitantei
Bush wasn't stupid. Bush was just naive about how things would turn out, and so it led to really terrible consequences like Iraq. I am absolutely certain Bush really did think that Iraq had WMDs, and that the Iraqis really would come out with flowers and hugs. Maybe that's stupidity, maybe it's lack of experience. But honestly, I think he had some good ideas, but just didn't know how to execute them.
Bush saw the world in black in white: there were the good guys and the terrorists. Why do the terrorists hate us? They hate us for our freedom, of course! Uber-patriotic thinking like this sounds great on the campaign trail, but as we saw, often leads to disastrous real-world consequences.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:35:01pm |
re: #64 Atlas Fails
Bush saw the world in black in white: there were the good guys and the terrorists. Why do the terrorists hate us? They hate us for our freedom, of course! Uber-patriotic thinking like this sounds great on the campaign trail, but as we saw, often leads to disastrous real-world consequences.
JFK and that bone head LBJ come to mind...Bush was trying to do the right thing...all this after the fact trashing is weak, partisan and unhealthy
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:36:01pm |
re: #66 albusteve
JFK and that bone head LBJ come to mind...Bush was trying to do the right thing...all this after the fact trashing is weak, partisan and unhealthy
Quite Concur.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:36:02pm |
re: #63 albusteve
good for you..kids grow out of it unless they are enabled
I still have texture issues with certain foods, but it's now very specific and I understand it *_*
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PhillyPretzel Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:37:00pm |
speaking of Chicken Pot Pie here is a recipe from Cooks Illustrated. [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:38:45pm |
re: #67 Dark_Falcon
Quite Concur.
how many of our boys were killed by Truman's foray across a meaningless Korea?..this is after the fact bullshit....donks get people killed too
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Iwouldprefernotto Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:39:06pm |
re: #66 albusteve
JFK and that bone head LBJ come to mind...Bush was trying to do the right thing...all this after the fact trashing is weak, partisan and unhealthy
All this "fact trashing" is what I like to call democracy. If you don't want to have your decisions judged, don't make any (don't run for office). Fact checking is how we learn. To never learn from your mistakes is unhealthy.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:40:06pm |
re: #68 WindUpBird
I still have texture issues with certain foods, but it's now very specific and I understand it *_*
squid grosses me out...but I ate it anyway so nobody could say I was a food wimp...blech!...oysters do that to me too
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:41:43pm |
re: #73 albusteve
squid grosses me out...but I ate it anyway so nobody could say I was a food wimp...blech!...oysters do that to me too
I like calamari, because it's just fried and hey, fried things!
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Atlas Fails Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:42:03pm |
re: #65 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Uh... what?
Let me clarify- Bush had good intentions, but didn't understand the sad reality of real politik. Sure Saddam was an awful dictator, but illegally invading his country and overthrowing him squandered much of the sympathy we had around the world after 9/11, not to mention the fact that the Iraqis didn't react at all as we'd hoped/assumed. Do I think Bush invaded Iraq for oil or for revenge on his dad's behalf? No, I think he went in thinking it likely Saddam possessed WMDs and intent on liberating the Iraqi people. A well-intentioned disaster isn't any less of a disaster, though.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:42:10pm |
re: #39 Meitantei
Bush wasn't stupid. Bush was just naive about how things would turn out, and so it led to really terrible consequences like Iraq. I am absolutely certain Bush really did think that Iraq had WMDs, and that the Iraqis really would come out with flowers and hugs. Maybe that's stupidity, maybe it's lack of experience. But honestly, I think he had some good ideas, but just didn't know how to execute them.
Agreed. I think he was trying to do the right thing.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:42:33pm |
re: #71 Iwouldprefernotto
All this "fact trashing" is what I like to call democracy. If you don't want to have your decisions judged, don't make any (don't run for office). Fact checking is how we learn. To never learn from your mistakes is unhealthy.
good for you..did Truman learn from WW11?...did JFK learn from Truman?...I don't give a damn about criticism, just be fair about it
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:42:44pm |
re: #66 albusteve
all this after the fact trashing is weak, partisan and unhealthy
Well no, some of it's to figure out how to avoid those situations, ever again.
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BenghaziHoops Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:43:48pm |
Yes..It is the end of the World as we know it...The NFL network is doing twitter posts at the bottom of the screen..
Dear NFL.. If I cared about what some guy in his basement says about the football game I'd follow him on Twitter..Do not do these Twitter posts on the game...
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:43:51pm |
re: #76 WindUpBird
I like calamari, because it's just fried and hey, fried things!
I can do it...but not in a cafe friendly way....gimme a Big Mac
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:44:14pm |
re: #70 albusteve
how many of our boys were killed by Truman's foray across a meaningless Korea?..this is after the fact bullshit...donks get people killed too
Korea was not meaningless. To have simply let the Norks conquer South Korea would have done the reputation of the USA and the UN intolerable damage. Both would have looked weak and incapable of stopping Communist aggression. Yes, tens of thousands of Americans died to prove were not weak, but that price was worth paying in my opinion.
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b_Snark Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:44:24pm |
re: #63 albusteve
good for you..kids grow out of it unless they are enabled
I was hardly enabled. If I didn't eat what was on my plate I got a smack to the back of the head and sent to bed without eating anything. I'm still picky, but I eat far more than I did as a kid. Some of the food I eat has to be uncooked, specifically members of the cabbage family.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:45:40pm |
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:46:25pm |
re: #81 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Well no, some of it's to figure out how to avoid those situations, ever again.
that's not gonna happen...every new set of variables is a new paradigm...BO may have broken the law concerning Libya...but I'm glad he did
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:47:05pm |
re: #77 Atlas Fails
Let me clarify- Bush had good intentions, but didn't understand the sad reality of real politik. Sure Saddam was an awful dictator, but illegally invading his country and overthrowing him squandered much of the sympathy we had around the world after 9/11, not to mention the fact that the Iraqis didn't react at all as we'd hoped/assumed. Do I think Bush invaded Iraq for oil or for revenge on his dad's behalf? No, I think he went in thinking it likely Saddam possessed WMDs and intent on liberating the Iraqi people. A well-intentioned disaster isn't any less of a disaster, though.
Afghanistan was somewhat understandable at the time, though I was against both...but Iraq, wtf. They never attacked us; then we got this shock/awe b.s. and crud about not being nation-builders, while building the nation.
It was just a feel-good killing effort we could get away with, just so frightened, enraged cons feel safe and vindicated for a second. Disgusting.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:47:15pm |
re: #77 Atlas Fails
Let me clarify- Bush had good intentions, but didn't understand the sad reality of real politik. Sure Saddam was an awful dictator, but illegally invading his country and overthrowing him squandered much of the sympathy we had around the world after 9/11, not to mention the fact that the Iraqis didn't react at all as we'd hoped/assumed. Do I think Bush invaded Iraq for oil or for revenge on his dad's behalf? No, I think he went in thinking it likely Saddam possessed WMDs and intent on liberating the Iraqi people. A well-intentioned disaster isn't any less of a disaster, though.
I don't think the war was illegal (though I don't really care), and I think we would have lost the sympathy we enjoyed no matter what. Too many people want to hate us, and Bush was just their excuse. Other than those two points, I agree with. Bush did indeed fail to understand the situation in Iraq.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:48:02pm |
re: #84 Dark_Falcon
Korea was not meaningless. To have simply let the Norks conquer South Korea would have done the reputation of the USA and the UN intolerable damage. Both would have looked weak and incapable of stopping Communist aggression. Yes, tens of thousands of Americans died to prove were not weak, but that price was worth paying in my opinion.
reputation was at stake...you said it...so what's new?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:48:11pm |
re: #84 Dark_Falcon
Korea was not meaningless. To have simply let the Norks conquer South Korea would have done the reputation of the USA and the UN intolerable damage. Both would have looked weak and incapable of stopping Communist aggression. Yes, tens of thousands of Americans died to prove were not weak, but that price was worth paying in my opinion.
Eggs/omelettes, something to prove, ugh.
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palomino Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:48:42pm |
I don't think this will matter to voters, especially not in the gop primaries. Even in the general, it probably won't re: #66 albusteve
JFK and that bone head LBJ come to mind...Bush was trying to do the right thing...all this after the fact trashing is weak, partisan and unhealthy
What does "trying to do the right thing" even mean? And if you're gonna trash LBJ and JFK, why is Bush off limits?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:49:07pm |
re: #88 albusteve
that's not gonna happen...
How do you know?
every new set of variables is a new paradigm...BO may have broken the law concerning Libya...but I'm glad he did
There's nothing wrong with talking about it.
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Atlas Fails Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:49:50pm |
re: #66 albusteve
JFK and that bone head LBJ come to mind...Bush was trying to do the right thing...all this after the fact trashing is weak, partisan and unhealthy
With respect, I don't think you got what I was trying to convey. When Bush was in office, no one was allowed to question him because "you don't question the president during wartime." Now that he's gone and we're still dealing with the effects of some of Bush's decisions, talking about them is "after the fact bashing." Yes, I know you weren't one of the people saying we couldn't disagree with Bush in the runup to Iraq, but you a minority in that regard.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:51:04pm |
Russia has announced that it will use its new (still in development) MiG-35D as the equivalent of the American F-35. This will be the low-end to the high end T-50 (the Russian F-22). The T-50 is no F-22, and the MiG-35D is no F-35.
The MiG-35D is a considerably redesigned MiG-29. The 29 ton MiG-35D is armed with one 30mm autocannon and can carry over (by how much is not yet clear) five tons of bombs. The big selling point for the MiG-35D is its offensive and defensive electronics, as well as sensors for finding targets on land or sea. This stuff looks very impressive on paper, but the Russians have long had problems getting performance to match promises.
The 27 ton American F-35 is armed with an internal 25mm cannon and four internal air-to-air missiles (or two missiles and two smart bombs), plus four external smart bombs and two missiles. All sensors are carried internally, and max weapon load is 6.8 tons. The aircraft is very stealthy when just carrying internal weapons. The MiG-35D has little stealth capability. The MiG-35D first flew four years ago, and there are currently about ten prototypes being used for testing and development work. The MiG-35D is expected to enter service some time before the end of the decade. The MiG-35D will sell for less than half what the F-35 goes for (currently over $120 million each).
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aagcobb Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:51:10pm |
I don't want to be a pie. I don't like gravy!
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Interesting Times Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:52:29pm |
re: #75 Stanley Sea
Thanks
Actually, doing Ctrl-Y on a thread tweets the entire thread, not just a comment. First, you have to click on the comment link (i.e. its number) to open the comment in a new window, by itself. Then, doing Ctrl-Y tweets just that particular comment (assuming that's what you were trying to do)
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:52:40pm |
re: #94 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
How do you know?
There's nothing wrong with talking about it.
history repeats itself...talk all you want
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:52:56pm |
re: #95 Atlas Fails
With respect, I don't think you got what I was trying to convey. When Bush was in office, no one was allowed to question him because "you don't question the president during wartime." Now that he's gone and we're still dealing with the effects of some of Bush's decisions, talking about them is "after the fact bashing." Yes, I know you weren't one of the people saying we couldn't disagree with Bush in the runup to Iraq, but you a minority in that regard.
People were so funny - try to keep Americans from getting needlessly killed, get your patriotism questioned.
Stupid, conformist aholes.
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Stanghazi Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:53:02pm |
re: #89 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Afghanistan was somewhat understandable at the time, though I was against both...but Iraq, wtf. They never attacked us; then we got this shock/awe b.s. and crud about not being nation-builders, while building the nation.
It was just a feel-good killing effort we could get away with, just so frightened, enraged cons feel safe and vindicated for a second. Disgusting.
And...we have the most ostentatious embassy monstrosity out of it. No doubt those people are pissed.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:53:41pm |
re: #99 albusteve
history repeats itself...talk all you want
Thanks for granting me that permission! I think I will, now. ///
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:54:06pm |
re: #95 Atlas Fails
With respect, I don't think you got what I was trying to convey. When Bush was in office, no one was allowed to question him because "you don't question the president during wartime." Now that he's gone and we're still dealing with the effects of some of Bush's decisions, talking about them is "after the fact bashing." Yes, I know you weren't one of the people saying we couldn't disagree with Bush in the runup to Iraq, but you a minority in that regard.
I'm suffering 'blame Bush' burnout...does not compute anymore
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:54:47pm |
re: #104 albusteve
I'm suffering 'blame Bush' burnout...does not compute anymore
It's not blaming Bush to talk about a war that's still going on that he started.
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:54:53pm |
re: #96 Dark_Falcon
It's definitely no F22 - 'cos presently there is no F22.
[Link: defensetech.org...]
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:55:12pm |
re: #92 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Eggs/omelettes, something to prove, ugh.
It is what it is. Either make the enemy respect your strength or be attacked. That's the way the world works. Fanatical totalitarians like Mao tse-Tung and Kim il-Sung do not respect 'soft power'.
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lostlakehiker Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:55:27pm |
re: #77 Atlas Fails
Let me clarify- Bush had good intentions, but didn't understand the sad reality of real politik. Sure Saddam was an awful dictator, but illegally invading his country and overthrowing him squandered much of the sympathy we had around the world after 9/11, not to mention the fact that the Iraqis didn't react at all as we'd hoped/assumed. Do I think Bush invaded Iraq for oil or for revenge on his dad's behalf? No, I think he went in thinking it likely Saddam possessed WMDs and intent on liberating the Iraqi people. A well-intentioned disaster isn't any less of a disaster, though.
It wasn't illegal. What law was broken? Congress approved it. Many things that aren't that good an idea are nevertheless legal.
And for that matter, though the cost far outstripped the Polyanna estimates, we did overthrow Saddam and that did liberate the Kurds, the Marsh Arabs, the Shia, and countless quietly desperate Sunni who weren't from Tikrit.
Say what you will about Iraq now, today's government doesn't quash demonstrations with nerve gas.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:55:32pm |
re: #103 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Thanks for granting me that permission! I think I will, now. ///
it's not permission, it's an opinion
get a grip
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jaunte Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:55:48pm |
From Rick Perry's pot pie:
“I am a firm believer in intelligent design as a matter of faith and intellect, and I believe it should be presented in schools alongside the theories of evolution.” [Link: tfninsider.org...]
Ken Ham (from the children's book Dinosaurs of Eden)
"Young people often ask the question, "If there's so much evidence for the Flood all over the earth, and if it's so obvious God created, and the Bible is true, wouldn't the scientists surely believe these things?"
The answer is that scientists, like everyone else, are sinners. Because of this, they don't want to believe. It has nothing to do with the evidence."[Link: seancraven.blogspot.com...]
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darthstar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:56:41pm |
re: #108 Stanley Sea
Hubris
They only want to hate us for our freedom (stupidest, yet one of the most effective, emotional manipulations of the American people ever).
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:56:57pm |
re: #109 lostlakehiker
It wasn't illegal. What law was broken? Congress approved it. Many things that aren't that good an idea are nevertheless legal.
And for that matter, though the cost far outstripped the Polyanna estimates, we did overthrow Saddam and that did liberate the Kurds, the Marsh Arabs, the Shia, and countless quietly desperate Sunni who weren't from Tikrit.
Say what you will about Iraq now, today's government doesn't quash demonstrations with nerve gas.
Children are no longer in prison, mass graves are no longer being made, Uday and Kusay are no longer hosting partys in theiri personal torture dens. . . .
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:57:04pm |
re: #105 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
It's not blaming Bush to talk about a war that's still going on that he started.
can you guess my point of view regarding Iraq and Afghanistan?...Bush has nothing to do with the present situation
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Atlas Fails Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:57:36pm |
re: #90 Dark_Falcon
I don't think the war was illegal (though I don't really care), and I think we would have lost the sympathy we enjoyed no matter what. Too many people want to hate us, and Bush was just their excuse. Other than those two points, I agree with. Bush did indeed fail to understand the situation in Iraq.
"Illegal" is a bit subjective in this context, I agree. Non-approved by the U.N. maybe? My point was, it would have been better to build an international coalition and operate primarily through airstrikes (see: Libya) than go in solo with guns blazing and fingers crossed. Even if our allies declined, certainly not an impossibility, it would have been better to wait things out until the time was right for a regime change on the Iraqi peoples' time rather than ours.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:57:54pm |
re: #107 Dark_Falcon
It is what it is.
But the way you say it is, is not the way it is. Attacking countries that did not attack you doesn't get you respected, it gets you despised, reviled, and avoided.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:58:03pm |
re: #111 jaunte
From Rick Perry's pot pie:
Ken Ham (from the children's book Dinosaurs of Eden)
Fine, teach creations stores (all of them, not just Christian) in a Social Studies curriculum.
IT IS NOT SCIENCE.
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b_Snark Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:58:32pm |
re: #107 Dark_Falcon
It is what it is. Either make the enemy respect your strength or be attacked. That's the way the world works. Fanatical totalitarians like Mao tse-Tung and Kim il-Sung do not respect 'soft power'.
What enemies?
The only enemies the US has now are disjointed groups of terrorists who don't care about the US's military power. The only way to stop them as threat is through intelligence.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:59:05pm |
re: #115 albusteve
can you guess my point of view regarding Iraq and Afghanistan?...Bush has nothing to do with the present situation
I already know your views on that. Bush is not an unmentionable just because he's no longer in office, that's absurd. Talking about the war is no blame-assignment.
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:59:28pm |
re: #109 lostlakehiker
It wasn't illegal. What law was broken? Congress approved it. Many things that aren't that good an idea are nevertheless legal.
And for that matter, though the cost far outstripped the Polyanna estimates, we did overthrow Saddam and that did liberate the Kurds, the Marsh Arabs, the Shia, and countless quietly desperate Sunni who weren't from Tikrit.
Say what you will about Iraq now, today's government doesn't quash demonstrations with nerve gas.
There is the small matter of the genocide unleashed after we invaded......and the fact the Kurds in the North already had too much autonomy for Turkey's liking.
And that even now substantial violence is on the uptick.
[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 6:59:33pm |
re: #119 b_sharp
What enemies?
The only enemies the US has now are disjointed groups of terrorists who don't care about the US's military power. The only way to stop them as threat is through intelligence.
That's the thing. The small minded NEED a concrete enemy. So they go after abortion, homosexuals, people with darker skin . . . .
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lostlakehiker Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:00:07pm |
re: #88 albusteve
that's not gonna happen...every new set of variables is a new paradigm...BO may have broken the law concerning Libya...but I'm glad he did
Well he didn't conform his conduct to the war powers act. But presidents tend to hold that the law is unconstitutional, even if they do comply with its terms because it's convenient to avoid the fuss.
Until such time as the SC has ruled on the validity of the law, presidents will continue to either obey it while asserting that they don't really have to, or flout it while asserting that it doesn't really apply in the case at hand.
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:00:15pm |
re: #114 ggt
Children are no longer in prison, mass graves are no longer being made, Uday and Kusay are no longer hosting partys in theiri personal torture dens. . . .
Again, there is the small matter of genocide and ethnic cleansing after we invaded, that we took YEARS to stop.
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jaunte Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:00:21pm |
re: #118 ggt
I'm enjoying Sean Craven's description of the illustrations in Ham's book:
And let's take a moment to notice the semi-competent art. I bet the Snellenbergers have taken classes, maybe even have a degree or two between them. But the stiff, clumsy, vaguely ugly quality of the illustration is of a piece with the text.
When religious belief takes on a quality of grandeur, when it truly does exalt the human spirit, then it's hard for me not to get swept up in the moment. But this book shows a world without wonder -- flat words and images have condemned it to a sort of folding-chair spirituality, a cafeteria of the soul, a holy linoleum.[Link: seancraven.blogspot.com...]
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darthstar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:00:42pm |
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ProGunLiberal Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:01:35pm |
It looks like Polisario Front/Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic is trying to save their ass. They did verbal recogniztion of the NTC. Here is the wiki summary:
On 26 August, the Sahrawi government and the Polisario Front issued a joint statement rebutting claims that 556 Polisario mercenaries were arrested in Libya, blaming the report on Moroccan propaganda. The statement asked "the new Libyan authorities, represented by the Transitional National Council", to immediately disavow the claims.
I don't believe the Algerian Puppet known as the Polisario Front.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:01:45pm |
re: #124 wozzablog
Again, there is the small matter of genocide and ethnic cleansing after we invaded, that we took YEARS to stop.
Cultural idiosyncrasies! We simply need to understand that's how they are.
///
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:01:58pm |
re: #120 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I already know your views on that. Bush is not an unmentionable just because he's no longer in office, that's absurd. Talking about the war is no blame-assignment.
talk away...I never said Bush was not talk worthy...I said he is irrelevant to the present situation...you can sit and blame Bush all you want and in fact I have myself concerning Astan...so what?...it's the here and now
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:02:30pm |
There are awful human rights violations going on in NK, but we don't have a reason to go in and stop it?
In Iraq, there were awful human rights violations going on and we found a plausible reason to go in and stop it. Regardless of official reason, the coalition stopped it.
I'll take that anyday.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:02:54pm |
From this morning; posted by William of Orange.
Funny as hell in a Darwinian kind of way.
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Stanghazi Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:03:21pm |
re: #121 wozzablog
There is the small matter of the genocide unleashed after we invaded...and the fact the Kurds in the North already had too much autonomy for Turkey's liking.
And that even now substantial violence is on the uptick.
[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]
It's fucking worse now, and not getting better.
But dammit, we do NOT cut and run. America Fuck up Yeah!
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:03:21pm |
re: #102 Stanley Sea
And...we have the most ostentatious embassy monstrosity out of it. No doubt those people are pissed.
Lol but watch the proxy-warmongers shake their fingers and tell them they must be grateful for having their fellow countrymen killed by us.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:04:32pm |
re: #114 ggt
Children are no longer in prison, mass graves are no longer being made, Uday and Kusay are no longer hosting partys in theiri personal torture dens. . . .
You're fucking with the narrative.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:04:38pm |
re: #130 ggt
There are awful human rights violations going on in NK, but we don't have a reason to go in and stop it?
In Iraq, there were awful human rights violations going on and we found a plausible reason to go in and stop it. Regardless of official reason, the coalition stopped it.
I'll take that anyday.
Not me. It's not our job to come up with rationales to use our killing machines before they get rusty. /
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:05:30pm |
Michele Bachmann: "How many of you like white people"
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:05:39pm |
re: #130 ggt
There are awful human rights violations going on in NK, but we don't have a reason to go in and stop it?
In Iraq, there were awful human rights violations going on and we found a plausible reason to go in and stop it. Regardless of official reason, the coalition stopped it.
I'll take that anyday.
I'd jump Nork artillery and take them down myself...I'm a hawkhead when it comes to people suffering from govt repression...nobody has the guts...elections are more important...don't even ask me how I'd handle Syria
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:05:44pm |
re: #133 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Lol but watch the proxy-warmongers shake their fingers and them they must be grateful for having their fellow countrymen killed by us.
Yes, but they are no longer state run torture chambers - enterprising free market kidnappers and extortionists are in charge now. And the extremist islmamic militants who are there NOW, and were not there before the war started.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:06:06pm |
re: #129 albusteve
you can sit and blame Bush all you want
Well, I haven't done that. I could give a crud about Bush, even less of one than when his dumb Republican ass was in office.
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lostlakehiker Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:07:07pm |
re: #116 Atlas Fails
"Illegal" is a bit subjective in this context, I agree. Non-approved by the U.N. maybe? My point was, it would have been better to build an international coalition and operate primarily through airstrikes (see: Libya) than go in solo with guns blazing and fingers crossed. Even if our allies declined, certainly not an impossibility, it would have been better to wait things out until the time was right for a regime change on the Iraqi peoples' time rather than ours.
Air strikes alone wouldn't have done the job. Saddam had a State apparatus that was perfectly capable of winning a Libya style war in which we supply bombing support to the insurrection, while his infantry and light civilian vehicles mounting heavy machine guns and a bit of rocket artillery mop up on the very lightly armed rebels. Irregulars just can't stand up to that kind of force in open terrain, and in cities, we find ourselves constrained by the need to avoid blowing up civilians.
The only way to take down somebody as firmly set as Saddam is flat-out war. This should be kept in mind when talking about Syria. Assad is not quite so firmly seated on his throne as Saddam was, but absent major defections from his own army to a rebel side, his regime maintenance forces are all too capable of crushing dissent. And the kind of bombing we could stage from carriers just wouldn't be enough to turn that around. And don't even think of using Israel as a base. Any war with Syria would carry with it the risk of escalation, but war from Israel on Syria would certainly escalate.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:07:29pm |
re: #107 Dark_Falcon
It is what it is. Either make the enemy respect your strength or be attacked. That's the way the world works. Fanatical totalitarians like Mao tse-Tung and Kim il-Sung do not respect 'soft power'.
LOL, all Bush accomplished by attacking Iraq was to empower Iran. Nobody respects a nation that electively chooses to get bogged down in a pointless insurgency. It doesn't demonstrate strength to turn your soldiers into targets for zero gain and not in defense of the country, it demonstrates reckless stupidity.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:07:48pm |
re: #136 Killgore Trout
Michele Bachmann: "How many of you like white people"
[Video]
Fake? Out of context? This'll make waves.
She is such a dumb, stupid, ignorant socon bigot.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:08:43pm |
re: #139 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Well, I haven't done that. I could give a crud about Bush, even less of one than when his dumb Republican ass was in office.
all presidents fuck up with expression of power...it's hardly a partisan subject...your bend gets old...you sound like a sound loop babble machine
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:08:47pm |
re: #116 Atlas Fails
"Illegal" is a bit subjective in this context, I agree. Non-approved by the U.N. maybe? My point was, it would have been better to build an international coalition and operate primarily through airstrikes (see: Libya) than go in solo with guns blazing and fingers crossed. Even if our allies declined, certainly not an impossibility, it would have been better to wait things out until the time was right for a regime change on the Iraqi peoples' time rather than ours.
Sadly, our nation can't wait like that and hold its political focus. Bush used a great deal of political capital to launch Operation Iraqi Freedom, capital he likely would not have had except for 9/11, and that 9/11 capital was bound to dissipate over time had he waited. If the Bush administration was to move at all, it had to be on our timetable, not that of the Iraqi people.
Moreover, given how tightly Saddam held power, there is no guarantee that he would not have lived for another decade or two, only to pass his power to one of his murderous sons.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:08:48pm |
re: #136 Killgore Trout
Michele Bachmann: "How many of you like white people"
[Video]
Fake? Out of context? This'll make waves.
I'm guessing "White People" was the name of the Jesus band and that they're probably not going to get any more political gigs.
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b_Snark Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:09:09pm |
re: #114 ggt
Children are no longer in prison, mass graves are no longer being made, Uday and Kusay are no longer hosting partys in theiri personal torture dens. . . .
All laudable outcomes against a group of very evil but not unique humans.
If that outcome is sufficient to justify attacking a recognized government of a sovereign nation, then better get cracking attacking Syria, North Korea, China, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and any other country lead by nasty people.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:09:16pm |
re: #138 wozzablog
Yes, but they are no longer state run torture chambers - enterprising free market kidnappers and extortionists are in charge now. And the extremist islmamic militants who are there NOW, and were not there before the war started.
Entrepreneurial spirit given by God, freedumb and capitalism ftw.
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BenghaziHoops Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:09:20pm |
I have a colored observation of the Iraq war..My Son fought there...
I believe we should have just gone all out and kicked ass in Afghanistan and ended the war in one or two years....The Middle East would be pissing in their pants backing down...
You know the whole idea about projecting power is so that you don't have to use it all the time...Saddam was shit to us..We proved it in '91 and he knew it...The USA took their eyes off the ball
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Atlas Fails Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:09:36pm |
re: #138 wozzablog
Yes, but they are no longer state run torture chambers - enterprising free market kidnappers and extortionists are in charge now. And the extremist islmamic militants who are there NOW, and were not there before the war started.
We deposed one bad guy and unwittingly let a host of other genocidal lunatics take over. After years of fighting these monsters we created, what do we have to show for it? A fragile, embryonic democracy that stands a good chance of falling apart and descending back into chaos the moment we're gone. Oh, and a few thousand flag-draped coffins.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:09:46pm |
re: #143 albusteve
you sound like a sound loop babble machine
Coming from you, I suppose that's a compliment.
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lostlakehiker Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:10:10pm |
re: #130 ggt
There are awful human rights violations going on in NK, but we don't have a reason to go in and stop it?
In Iraq, there were awful human rights violations going on and we found a plausible reason to go in and stop it. Regardless of official reason, the coalition stopped it.
I'll take that anyday.
It's not that we don't have a reason to stop Kim's misrule in NK. It's that we don't have the means to do so. Where war with Libya was feasible and cheap as wars go, war with Iraq, though feasible, ended up being very expensive; we can't afford to do that at all often. War with NK would be incredibly more violent, bloody, and expensive than the Iraq war. It would, just to mention one little detail, be a nuclear war.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:10:20pm |
re: #141 goddamnedfrank
LOL, all Bush accomplished by attacking Iraq was to empower Iran. Nobody respects a nation that electively chooses to get bogged down in a pointless insurgency. It doesn't demonstrate strength to turn your soldiers into targets for zero gain and not in defense of the country, it demonstrates reckless stupidity.
then the solution is take down Iran!...then Syria!...then somebody else...yeehaa!
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:11:40pm |
re: #149 Atlas Fails
We deposed one bad guy and unwittingly let a host of other genocidal lunatics take over. After years of fighting these monsters we created, what do we have to show for it? A fragile, embryonic democracy that stands a good chance of falling apart and descending back into chaos the moment we're gone. Oh, and a few thousand flag-draped coffins.
The bulk of which any imebcile paying attention to what was coming out of the Foreign Office back channels before the war could have told you was going to happen.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:12:49pm |
re: #148 HoosierHoops
I have a colored observation of the Iraq war..My Son fought there...
I believe we should have just gone all out and kicked ass in Afghanistan and ended the war in one or two years...The Middle East would be pissing in their pants backing down...
You know the whole idea about projecting power is so that you don't have to use it all the time...Saddam was shit to us..We proved it in '91 and he knew it...The USA took their eyes off the ball
agreed, pretty much...it's inexcusable to be tied up in Astan...BO had a choice last year and blew it...more people dead for nothing...and still they blame Bush
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Atlas Fails Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:12:50pm |
re: #144 Dark_Falcon
Sadly, our nation can't wait like that and hold its political focus. Bush used a great deal of political capital to launch Operation Iraqi Freedom, capital he likely would not have had except for 9/11, and that 9/11 capital was bound to dissipate over time had he waited. If the Bush administration was to move at all, it had to be on our timetable, not that of the Iraqi people.
Moreover, given how tightly Saddam held power, there is no guarantee that he would not have lived for another decade or two, only to pass his power to one of his murderous sons.
Fair enough, but is it really wise to use a tragedy like 9/11 to play world police? Kim Jong Il is set to pass the throne onto his son, but I don't hear anyone clamoring for an invasion of North Korea.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:14:30pm |
re: #141 goddamnedfrank
LOL, all Bush accomplished by attacking Iraq was to empower Iran. Nobody respects a nation that electively chooses to get bogged down in a pointless insurgency. It doesn't demonstrate strength to turn your soldiers into targets for zero gain and not in defense of the country, it demonstrates reckless stupidity.
But how else are we going to use all these weapons we keep buying, to show our big dicks strength to the werrrreld!!!
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:14:39pm |
re: #155 Atlas Fails
Fair enough, but is it really wise to use a tragedy like 9/11 to play world police? Kim Jong Il is set to pass the throne onto his son, but I don't hear anyone clamoring for an invasion of North Korea.
the Norks are an afternoon of nice flying weather from instant destruction
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:15:25pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:15:39pm |
re: #146 b_sharp
All laudable outcomes against a group of very evil but not unique humans.
If that outcome is sufficient to justify attacking a recognized government of a sovereign nation, then better get cracking attacking Syria, North Korea, China, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and any other country lead by nasty people.
Find the political capital.
I'm all for it, but after Vietnam, we have to have "interests" to protect. We can't expend American lives over things like the liberty or well being of others, we can only do it over oil and national security issues.
/
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:17:22pm |
Hussein had to die, some way, somehow...same with Mo and his killer family...if we don't do it, who will?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:19:55pm |
re: #151 lostlakehiker
It's not that we don't have a reason to stop Kim's misrule in NK. It's that we don't have the means to do so. Where war with Libya was feasible and cheap as wars go, war with Iraq, though feasible, ended up being very expensive; we can't afford to do that at all often. War with NK would be incredibly more violent, bloody, and expensive than the Iraq war. It would, just to mention one little detail, be a nuclear war.
You mean we are not perfect?
We don't have a crystal ball?
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:20:11pm |
re: #146 b_sharp
All laudable outcomes against a group of very evil but not unique humans.
If that outcome is sufficient to justify attacking a recognized government of a sovereign nation, then better get cracking attacking Syria, North Korea, China, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and any other country lead by nasty people.
fuck sovereign nations...you butcher your own people, you are a target...but we must win the fights we choose
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b_Snark Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:20:15pm |
re: #124 wozzablog
Again, there is the small matter of genocide and ethnic cleansing after we invaded, that we took YEARS to stop.
When did it stop?
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:21:11pm |
"who likes white people"
damn, seems real to me.
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BenghaziHoops Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:21:46pm |
re: #160 albusteve
Hussein had to die, some way, somehow...same with Mo and his killer family...if we don't do it, who will?
Well the Dixie Chicks sang Earl has got to die.. I say send those Bitches!
LOL
Cowboys are on Steve.. Vikings just scored
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:21:48pm |
re: #162 albusteve
fuck sovereign nations...you butcher your own people, you are a target...but we must win the fights we choose
Yeah, I thought the UN was all about that sort of thing.
I'm all for it.
I wish we could turn that inward and keep people in our country from being monsters too!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:22:28pm |
re: #164 Killgore Trout
"who likes white people"
damn, seems real to me.
White People
eh, they burn if you leave them out too long.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:22:33pm |
re: #163 b_sharp
When did it stop?
who knows?...what are Canadians doing about geo-genocide?...anything?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:22:35pm |
re: #155 Atlas Fails
Fair enough, but is it really wise to use a tragedy like 9/11 to play world police? Kim Jong Il is set to pass the throne onto his son, but I don't hear anyone clamoring for an invasion of North Korea.
People are so selective about which scapegoats/boogiemen should live and die.
Saudi Royals, Myanmar, Angola, Pakistan, Syria...silence. No invented pretexts to overthrow them.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:23:49pm |
re: #165 HoosierHoops
Well the Dixie Chicks sang Earl has got to die.. I say send those Bitches!
LOL
Cowboys are on Steve.. Vikings just scored
that is a hell of a cool song, politics aside...as for the CB's I see every game live here...I finally made it to heaven
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b_Snark Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:23:58pm |
re: #130 ggt
There are awful human rights violations going on in NK, but we don't have a reason to go in and stop it?
In Iraq, there were awful human rights violations going on and we found a plausible reason to go in and stop it. Regardless of official reason, the coalition stopped it.
I'll take that anyday.
The end of human rights violations is an unintended consequence, which means, in the world you've adopted, even unintended results justify the means.
There is something unpalatable about that.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:24:23pm |
My White Friends
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jaunte Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:24:41pm |
re: #164 Killgore Trout
LiveLeak says
"In fairness to MB, the name of the band she is going to present is called "white people soul band"
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:24:48pm |
re: #166 ggt
Yeah, I thought the UN was all about that sort of thing.
I'm all for it.
I wish we could turn that inward and keep people in our country from being monsters too!
the UN is about self gain...they are morally corrupt
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:25:02pm |
re: #163 b_sharp
When did it stop?
Ok, ok. I over egged the stopping of it slightly ;p
Violence markedly decreased though once each ethinic group had been cleansed from each others areas.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:26:08pm |
re: #169 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
People are so selective about which scapegoats/boogiemen should live and die.
Saudi Royals, Myanmar, Angola, Pakistan, Syria...silence. No invented pretexts to overthrow them.
so publish your list of killers that need to go down
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:26:15pm |
re: #141 goddamnedfrank
LOL, all Bush accomplished by attacking Iraq was to empower Iran. Nobody respects a nation that electively chooses to get bogged down in a pointless insurgency. It doesn't demonstrate strength to turn your soldiers into targets for zero gain and not in defense of the country, it demonstrates reckless stupidity.
My post was in the specific context of the Korean War.
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Atlas Fails Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:27:04pm |
re: #151 lostlakehiker
It's not that we don't have a reason to stop Kim's misrule in NK. It's that we don't have the means to do so. Where war with Libya was feasible and cheap as wars go, war with Iraq, though feasible, ended up being very expensive; we can't afford to do that at all often. War with NK would be incredibly more violent, bloody, and expensive than the Iraq war. It would, just to mention one little detail, be a nuclear war.
But wait! We were sure, SURE, that Iraq had WMDs. Why were we so gung ho about that war? After all, couldn't have used bio warfare on us?
My theory is that we don't want to mess with countries we know could trigger WWIII, but if someone like Saddam waves his dick in our face long enough, hinting that he *might* have such capabilities, we decide to bring the hammer down and make an example out of them. Fine in theory, but it can cause some serious dilemmas in practice.
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Stanghazi Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:27:17pm |
re: #142 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
She is such a dumb, stupid, ignorant socon bigot.
And trying to appeal to the white victimhood voting bloc.
Seriously, I think Sister Sarah is going to run. And to top this and Perry, she's going to give us a show of the ages. Kinda cant wait.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:27:49pm |
On Charles' "what I'm listening to now"...
I heart Annie Lennox.
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jaunte Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:28:41pm |
re: #181 Killgore Trout
I do think she took the opportunity for a dog whistle.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:29:11pm |
re: #165 HoosierHoops
Please tell me they're not just on NFL network...
Got my "Cowboys" pajama pants on right now!
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:29:17pm |
re: #176 albusteve
so publish your list of killers that need to go down
I don't go for that kind of warmongering. I just think the selectiveness around who we should and shouldn't "get" is funny.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:29:26pm |
re: #178 Atlas Fails
re: #151 lostlakehiker
But wait! We were sure, SURE, that Iraq had WMDs. Why were we so gung ho about that war? After all, couldn't have used bio warfare on us?
My theory is that we don't want to mess with countries we know could trigger WWIII, but if someone like Saddam waves his dick in our face long enough, hinting that he *might* have such capabilities, we decide to bring the hammer down and make an example out of them. Fine in theory, but it can cause some serious dilemmas in practice.
yeah...when your elected president, you'll show em!
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darthstar Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:30:20pm |
re: #173 jaunte
LiveLeak says
"In fairness to MB, the name of the band she is going to present is called "white people soul band"[Video]
Band site:
[Link: www.myspace.com...]
As I thought...though it is telling that she can only find a white soul band.
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jaunte Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:30:44pm |
Christopher Hitchens:
Does the Texas governor believe his idiotic religious rhetoric, or is he just pandering for votes?
I happened to spend several weeks in Texas earlier this year, while the Lone Star State lay under the pitiless glare of an unremitting drought. After a protracted arid interval, the state's immodest governor, Rick Perry, announced that he was using the authority vested in him to call for prayers for rain. These incantations and beseechments, carrying the imprimatur of government, were duly offered to the heavens. The heavens responded by remaining, along with the parched lands below, obstinately dry.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:31:22pm |
re: #179 Stanley Sea
Seriously, I think Sister Sarah is going to run. And to top this and Perry, she's going to give us a show of the ages. Kinda cant wait.
I guess we'll find out on the 3rd.
Or not. 9_9
Part of me wants to see her run to make the rest of the Republicans cry. She seems quite good at that.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:31:39pm |
re: #184 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I don't go for that kind of warmongering. I just think the selectiveness around who we should and shouldn't "get" is funny.
if you are not part of the discussion of who lives and who dies the go away...the world is an ugly, violent place...philosophy counts for little
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:31:58pm |
re: #180 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
On Charles' "what I'm listening to now"...
I heart Annie Lennox.
Whiter Shade of Pale
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:32:10pm |
re: #189 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I guess we'll find out on the 3rd.
Or not. 9_9
Part of me wants to see her run to make the rest of the Republicans cry. She seems quite good at that.
Imagine if Palin runs....
AS AN INDEPENDENT
oh my god the lulz
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b_Snark Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:32:42pm |
re: #137 albusteve
I'd jump Nork artillery and take them down myself...I'm a hawkhead when it comes to people suffering from govt repression...nobody has the guts...elections are more important...don't even ask me how I'd handle Syria
Noriega, Contras, Papa/Baby Doc, Batista and Hussein. What do they have in common, and why were only two the target of US justice?
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Atlas Fails Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:33:17pm |
re: #185 albusteve
yeah...when your elected president, you'll show em!
lol, I have so few political aspirations, I make the mayor of Albuquerque look ambitious ;) It may surprise you, but when I'm out of college, I'm hoping to join law enforcement. I just think Bush took Theodore Roosevelt's "big stick" foreign policy theory a little too far.
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BenghaziHoops Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:33:55pm |
re: #170 albusteve
that is a hell of a cool song, politics aside...as for the CB's I see every game live here...I finally made it to heaven
They play the Cowboy games here a lot in Oklahoma on TV...I read today that tours of Jerry's place is 20-27 dollars.. When it cools down some I'll drive there and check it out..It's not that long of a drive..Couple hours.. I read all about the Modern Art there.. Fancy crap..Go to Lucas oil in Indy and see all the race cars...Every kind of monster race car.. Indy..NASCAR, Formula one Drag racing rails..
Cowboy fans..Drink over priced wine and look at Art work on the walls..
/
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:34:24pm |
re: #190 albusteve
if you are not part of the discussion of who lives and who dies the go away...
Lol who's gonna make me? You?
rotfl
It's just talk on an LGF thread. No amount of "the discussion" is going to make a hill of beans' difference. I do find your attempts to control "the discussion" pretty funny, though.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:34:34pm |
re: #194 Atlas Fails
lol, I have so few political aspirations, I make the mayor of Albuquerque look ambitious ;) It may surprise you, but when I'm out of college, I'm hoping to join law enforcement. I just think Bush took Theodore Roosevelt's "big stick" saying a little too far.
man, i don't even aspire to geek fandom politics
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jaunte Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:34:45pm |
re: #192 WindUpBird
There's a 3-way squabble going on in the HotAir comment threads among Palin, Perry, and Bachmann fans. Perry is apparently regarded there as a closet liberal.
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Gus Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:35:09pm |
re: #184 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I don't go for that kind of warmongering. I just think the selectiveness around who we should and shouldn't "get" is funny.
Have you seen the latest saber rattling from Rick Perry?
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BenghaziHoops Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:35:22pm |
re: #183 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Please tell me they're not just on NFL network...
Got my "Cowboys" pajama pants on right now!
Sorry..I'm watching NFL network.. 7-3 Vikings
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:35:44pm |
re: #199 jaunte
There's a 3-way squabble going on in the HotAir comment threads among Palin, Perry, and Bachmann fans. Perry is apparently regarded there as a closet liberal.
sorta like bickering over which brand of hot pockets is best
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Atlas Fails Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:35:56pm |
re: #199 jaunte
There's a 3-way squabble going on in the HotAir comment threads among Palin, Perry, and Bachmann fans. Perry is apparently regarded there as a closet liberal.
Lollercoaster.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:35:57pm |
re: #193 b_sharp
Noriega, Contras, Papa/Baby Doc, Batista and Hussein. What do they have in common, and why were only two the target of US justice?
it's the way it works...idealism is a bust sometimes
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Stanghazi Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:36:01pm |
re: #192 WindUpBird
Imagine if Palin runs...
AS AN INDEPENDENT
oh my god the lulz
3rd Party Tea. She's a rogue maverick dontcha know. Oh and a classic me before party type.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:36:16pm |
re: #199 jaunte
There's a 3-way squabble going on in the HotAir comment threads among Palin, Perry, and Bachmann fans. Perry is apparently regarded there as a closet liberal.
Let me guess, anyone who likes Romney best is considered a traitor and a cannibal
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jaunte Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:36:56pm |
re: #200 Gus 802
Have you seen the latest saber rattling from Rick Perry?
Just as you were posting, I was reading this sentence from Hitchens:
As with his crass saber-rattling about Texan secession a season or so back, or his more recent semitough talk about apparently riding Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke out of town on a rail, it is probably largely boilerplate, and mainly for the rubes.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:36:58pm |
Sarah Palin, Rick Perry, Michele Bachman and the entire GOP
I present Lily Allen
I'd present C-Lo Green, but he is protected by YouTube rules.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:37:30pm |
re: #188 jaunte
Christopher Hitchens:
Hitch really does have a gift for shredding some verbally. Note how he mocks Perry brutally, yet he does not sound frantic and overheated. National Review writer Florence King has called that the "art of cutting someone's throat without raising your voice". She also makes the point that most American commentators prefer the frantic and overheated approach, since they fear that Hitch's more subtle approach will be labeled "elitist".
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:37:42pm |
re: #192 WindUpBird
Imagine if Palin runs...
AS AN INDEPENDENT
oh my god the lulz
It's like, how much more mavericky could this be? and the answer is none. None more mavericky.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:37:51pm |
re: #205 Stanley Sea
3rd Party Tea. She's a rogue maverick dontcha know. Oh and a classic me before party type.
See, the maverick schtick would totally work for her!
Sorta be a nader scenario, only with Palin looking all nice and scrubbed and shiny and ready for her fat payday
CASH IN THOSE CHIPS, RUN FOR PRESIDENT, BUILD A MANSION
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b_Snark Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:37:53pm |
re: #159 ggt
Find the political capital.
I'm all for it, but after Vietnam, we have to have "interests" to protect. We can't expend American lives over things like the liberty or well being of others, we can only do it over oil and national security issues.
/
Sorry, but for the US to unilaterally act the street cop is a massive arrogance. For this to make sense, a world organization would have to be the chief of police.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:38:06pm |
re: #194 Atlas Fails
lol, I have so few political aspirations, I make the mayor of Albuquerque look ambitious ;) It may surprise you, but when I'm out of college, I'm hoping to join law enforcement. I just think Bush took Theodore Roosevelt's "big stick" foreign policy theory a little too far.
I was always intrigued by LE...at the time tho I was a felon...but I've learned better in my old age
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:38:35pm |
re: #210 goddamnedfrank
It's like, how much more mavericky could this be? and the answer is none. None more mavericky.
heeheehee that is my favorite Spinal tap quote too
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:38:59pm |
re: #214 albusteve
I was always intrigued by LE...at the time tho I was a felon...but I've learned better in my old age
was it for something cool? :D
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:39:06pm |
re: #199 jaunte
There's a 3-way squabble going on in the HotAir comment threads among Palin, Perry, and Bachmann fans. Perry is apparently regarded there as a closet liberal.
re: #200 Gus 802
Have you seen the latest saber rattling from Rick Perry?
What would please them at Hot Air? Reinstating the Puritan theocrat policy of hanging Quakers?
Ruthless, boorish people.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:40:10pm |
re: #217 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
re: #200 Gus 802
What would please them at Hot Air? Reinstating the Puritan theocrat policy of hanging Quakers?
Ruthless, boorish people.
I don't really subscribe to the vibe of FDL, but check out their comments versus Hot Air comments, there is some serious literacy gap there
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:40:14pm |
re: #213 b_sharp
Sorry, but for the US to unilaterally act the street cop is a massive arrogance. For this to make sense, a world organization would have to be the chief of police.
Isn't that the way we are going.
Terrorists, insurgents, GITMO detainees are criminals to be tried in non military courts . . .
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b_Snark Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:40:35pm |
re: #168 albusteve
who knows?...what are Canadians doing about geo-genocide?...anything?
What is the US doing about geo-genocide?
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:41:27pm |
re: #197 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Lol who's gonna make me? You?
rotfl
It's just talk on an LGF thread. No amount of "the discussion" is going to make a hill of beans' difference. I do find your attempts to control "the discussion" pretty funny, though.
you sound somewhat insecure...post whatever you want, it's up to you, not me...I have opinions, I'm not into controlling anything...your imagination does not represent you well
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:41:36pm |
re: #220 b_sharp
What is the US doing about geo-genocide?
We pay for it. The agreement is to keep it outside US borders.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:41:39pm |
re: #218 WindUpBird
I don't really subscribe to the vibe of FDL, but check out their comments versus Hot Air comments, there is some serious literacy gap there
Well, this is true. I can't stand FDL, but at least they know how to express themselves in writing.
Not so, for the David Barton Homeschool Vouchers Grads at rwnj sites.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:41:46pm |
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:42:49pm |
re: #206 WindUpBird
Let me guess, anyone who likes Romney best is considered a traitor and a cannibal
bunch of fucking net geeks who live in cyber space...LOL!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:43:00pm |
re: #220 b_sharp
What is the US doing about geo-genocide?
WHO DARES LAY WASTE TO MY BRETHREN, THEY WILL FALL BEFORE MY SCYTHE-LIKE TREADS >:-(
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b_Snark Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:43:08pm |
re: #178 Atlas Fails
But wait! We were sure, SURE, that Iraq had WMDs. Why were we so gung ho about that war? After all, couldn't have used bio warfare on us?
My theory is that we don't want to mess with countries we know could trigger WWIII, but if someone like Saddam waves his dick in our face long enough, hinting that he *might* have such capabilities, we decide to bring the hammer down and make an example out of them. Fine in theory, but it can cause some serious dilemmas in practice.
He no longer had the capability and the people on the ground stated as much.
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Stanghazi Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:43:08pm |
re: #224 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You have cowboy pajama pants? I have gator sweats, but no snuggie. YET, I'm a loser.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:43:27pm |
re: #180 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
On Charles' "what I'm listening to now"...
I heart Annie Lennox.
Me too, but I wish SME wouldn't require people from different countries to have to go to different parts of Youtube to listen to songs from the same artist. Still at least they have "Walking On Broken Glass" available in stereo:
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Four More Tears Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:43:38pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:44:03pm |
re: #202 WindUpBird
sorta like bickering over which brand of hot pockets is best
"There is the vegetarian Hot Pocket for those of us who don't want to eat meat, but would still like diarrhea."
-Jim Gaffigan
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:44:07pm |
re: #221 albusteve
you sound somewhat insecure...post whatever you want, it's up to you, not me...I have opinions, I'm not into controlling anything...your imagination does not represent you well
Uh-huh. Don't talk about Bush starting the war because that's blaming him, if I'm not part of the discussion of who to kill next, then go away, yet I'm insecure for laffin @ u.
I'm not into controlling anything
Good - you shouldn't be, because you're not very good at it.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:44:20pm |
re: #228 Stanley Sea
You have cowboy pajama pants? I have gator sweats, but no snuggie. YET, I'm a loser.
I had a Lizard PJ top, but one of the puppies chewed it along time ago.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:44:26pm |
re: #225 albusteve
bunch of fucking net geeks who live in cyber space...LOL!
CYBERSPACE IS ONE WORD
but yeah, guilty of that, at least I was there in the 80's!
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Atlas Fails Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:44:27pm |
re: #227 b_sharp
He no longer had the capability and the people on the ground stated as much.
Exactly. And so the whole rationale for invasion goes straight down the shitter.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:45:02pm |
re: #226 WindUpBird
WHO DARES LAY WASTE TO MY BRETHREN, THEY WILL FALL BEFORE MY SCYTHE-LIKE TREADS >:-(
LOL, needs moar Brawndo, the thirst mutilator. It's got what plants crave.
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BenghaziHoops Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:45:24pm |
re: #224 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Thank goodness it doesn't matter.
(fuck)
Cowboys block field goal..Run it in for 6...
Personally.. i can't wait to cheer Peyton Manning coming on the field this year...
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:45:37pm |
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b_Snark Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:46:21pm |
re: #204 albusteve
it's the way it works...idealism is a bust sometimes
The choice of who to dust up is a crap shoot.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:46:24pm |
re: #216 WindUpBird
was it for something cool? :D
of course...I could write a book..people here rag on pols and pundits etc...they have little clue about real danger in their net lives...I lived it for a while...I've seen a few jails, no big deal
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:46:26pm |
re: #236 goddamnedfrank
LOL, needs moar Brawndo, the thirst mutilator. It's got what plants crave.
I just adore that someone made a monsterGeo
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:46:41pm |
re: #237 HoosierHoops
Cowboys block field goal..Run it in for 6...
Personally.. i can't wait to cheer Peyton Manning coming on the field this year...
Only because he is the most important football player in the World.
(And I mean real football.)
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:47:37pm |
Man says he has a problem.
Sex and Southern Ohio, seems to be a reoccurring theme.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:48:35pm |
re: #239 b_sharp
The choice of who to dust up is a crap shoot.
It's like playing whack-a-mole.
Get rid of one tyrant, 5 more pop-up.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:48:45pm |
re: #240 albusteve
of course...I could write a book..people here rag on pols and pundits etc...they have little clue about real danger in their net lives...I lived it for a while...I've seen a few jails, no big deal
I happily admit I have not seen a lot of real danger, besides some bar fights and a couple of muggings when I was a teenager (protip to muggers: the scrawny kid in the metallica t-shirt has no money)
Closest I have come was once living with a guy who had *_*
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:48:57pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:49:01pm |
re: #228 Stanley Sea
I used to make fun of Snuggies. Then I got one. Even sent one to Walter.
You can have my Snuggie when you pry it from my warm dead arms.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:49:12pm |
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BenghaziHoops Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:49:21pm |
re: #242 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Only because he is the most important football player in the World.
(And I mean real football.)
He is a true MVP.. Nobody in their right mind would bet on the Colts if Peyton isn't playing...ummm he rarely loses a game when he does play.. He is a special Athlete..
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:49:54pm |
re: #249 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I used to make fun of Snuggies. Then I got one. Even sent one to Walter.
You can have my Snuggie when you pry it from my warm dead arms.
How is Walter?
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:50:01pm |
re: #234 WindUpBird
CYBERSPACE IS ONE WORD
but yeah, guilty of that, at least I was there in the 80's!
I'm just a tourist, passing thru...I'll call it whatever is appropriate
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:50:18pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:50:48pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:51:08pm |
"yog" should be a word in Scrabble,
doncha think?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:51:16pm |
re: #253 albusteve
I'm just a tourist, passing thru...I'll call it whatever is appropriate
I'm fussy about such things, it's my profession after all :D
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:51:21pm |
re: #252 ggt
How is Walter?
He's missed?
I haven't talked to him. But I miss him. Think of him often.
In a manly way, of course.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:51:53pm |
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:52:03pm |
re: #232 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Uh-huh. Don't talk about Bush starting the war because that's blaming him, if I'm not part of the discussion of who to kill next, then go away, yet I'm insecure for laffin @ u.
Good - you shouldn't be, because you're not very good at it.
your arrogance makes you appear stupid...did you know that?...you seem to have problems with printed words
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:52:14pm |
re: #254 WindUpBird
why does this sound so gross
Well, if I would've said "cold dead fingers" that would mean the Snuggie didn't work.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:52:20pm |
re: #256 ggt
"yog" should be a word in Scrabble,
doncha think?
It could mean "Michelle Bachmann supporter".
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:52:21pm |
re: #255 Dark_Falcon
Umm, yikes!
A 14 year old WUB was rocking to this in his bedroom, trying to get his 2400 baud modem to behave
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:53:36pm |
re: #256 ggt
"yog" should be a word in Scrabble,
doncha think?
Cthulhu mythos automatic triple word score, that'd make a good house rule
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:53:45pm |
re: #247 WindUpBird
I happily admit I have not seen a lot of real danger, besides some bar fights and a couple of muggings when I was a teenager (protip to muggers: the scrawny kid in the metallica t-shirt has no money)
Closest I have come was once living with a guy who had *_*
I'd drink with you anytime amigo...you have plenty to tell
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:54:52pm |
re: #260 albusteve
your arrogance makes you appear stupid...did you know that?...you seem to have problems with printed words
Go get yourself a wife to play this game with. It's gets you nowhere with me.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:55:41pm |
re: #263 WindUpBird
A 14 year old WUB was rocking to this in his bedroom, trying to get his 2400 baud modem to behave
And did you?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:55:55pm |
re: #265 albusteve
I'd drink with you anytime amigo...you have plenty to tell
Thanks ^_^; I have some fun stories that don't make me look very good, oh lordy
A favorite was when an drunk Irish guy on the London tube was screaming at me about to kick my ass, because he thought I was swedish (?!?!), then I told him I was American, and he became my best friend and we talked about ZZ Top enthusiastically, all while I was going "I gotta get off this train, I'm sitting next to a madman"
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BenghaziHoops Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:55:59pm |
re: #261 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Well, if I would've said "cold dead fingers" that would mean the Snuggie didn't work.
Oh help me Lawd.. I have a vision of Veggie sitting in his snuggie eating cake watching crappie hotel channels...
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:56:16pm |
re: #263 WindUpBird
A 14 year old WUB was rocking to this in his bedroom, trying to get his 2400 baud modem to behave
I don't know what's scarier: Motley Crue, or the image of a teenage WUB.
//
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:56:23pm |
re: #266 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Go get yourself a wife to play this game with. It's gets you nowhere with me.
then why do you keep responding?...if your ego is bruised, log off or whatever
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:57:07pm |
re: #268 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
And did you?
Yes!
I was on GEnie AND Compuserve, and about a billion BBSes, doing more or less a slower version of this
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:57:07pm |
re: #267 b_sharp
As is Canada, and several other countries.
there you have it...does Canada lead or do they follow in these matters?
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:57:21pm |
re: #270 HoosierHoops
Oh help me Lawd.. I have a vision of Veggie sitting in his
snuggieshamwow eating cake watching crappie hotel channels...
FTFY.
*waves*
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:57:34pm |
re: #272 albusteve
then why do you keep responding?...
Because I can.
What are you going to do about it?
if your ego is bruised, log off or whatever
You just keep reading, and keep guessing. You are my entertainment.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:57:49pm |
re: #270 HoosierHoops
Oh help me Lawd.. I have a vision of Veggie sitting in his snuggie eating cake watching crappie hotel channels...
Purdy much. But, you forgot LGF.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:58:11pm |
re: #273 WindUpBird
Yes!
I was on GEnie AND Compuserve, and about a billion BBSes, doing more or less a slower version of this
Oh lord, GEnie. Remember Prodigy?
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Four More Tears Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:58:31pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:58:54pm |
re: #279 ggt
I love his voice.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:59:05pm |
re: #269 WindUpBird
Thanks ^_^; I have some fun stories that don't make me look very good, oh lordy
A favorite was when an drunk Irish guy on the London tube was screaming at me about to kick my ass, because he thought I was swedish (?!?!), then I told him I was American, and he became my best friend and we talked about ZZ Top enthusiastically, all while I was going "I gotta get off this train, I'm sitting next to a madman"
you were nation wide for a minute...
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:59:08pm |
re: #259 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
What does it mean?
It means I have the letters and it would make a good play, if it were a word.
But, I guess it isn't.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:59:26pm |
re: #271 Dark_Falcon
I don't know what's scarier: Motley Crue, or the image of a teenage WUB.
//
Teenage WUB just looked like a scrawny blonde kid with a mullet who wore a lot of black, drawing weird crap in colored pencil and playing drums when his parents would let him (before 7pm, then the cops come knocking)
oh and lots of horror movies! Because horror movies!
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Aug 29, 2011 7:59:54pm |
re: #284 WindUpBird
Upding for horror movies!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:00:02pm |
re: #264 WindUpBird
Cthulhu mythos automatic triple word score, that'd make a good house rule
Proper word in that context. Not Scrabble acceptable.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:00:18pm |
re: #276 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Because I can.
What are you going to do about it?
You just keep reading, and keep guessing. You are my entertainment.
thanks...I do a cool Art Linkletter impression
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:00:29pm |
re: #282 albusteve
I was terrified! Dude was huge and I was like 135 pounds
But suddenly I was all trying to use every ounce of rock knowledge I had to make this guy my friend
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:00:57pm |
re: #272 albusteve
then why do you keep responding?...if your ego is bruised, log off or whatever
You two need to get a room.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:01:01pm |
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b_Snark Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:01:09pm |
re: #274 albusteve
there you have it...does Canada lead or do they follow in these matters?
That depends.
We look to a consensus and are then quite capable of taking the lead.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:01:23pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:01:39pm |
re: #287 albusteve
thanks...I do a cool Art Linkletter impression
That's cool, but insult me, expect an insult right back.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:01:43pm |
re: #288 WindUpBird
I was terrified! Dude was huge and I was like 135 pounds
But suddenly I was all trying to use every ounce of rock knowledge I had to make this guy my friend
heh...
Bartender!
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Stanghazi Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:02:02pm |
re: #260 albusteve
your arrogance makes you appear stupid...did you know that?...you seem to have problems with printed words
Steve goes all New Mex Macho on the newer commenter's. OhCrap, I have seen this more than I can count. I guess it's his form of natural selection, but it gets kinda, tiring.
Do not try to stifle, it's bad form. Unless the commenter is a complete idjit from post 1.
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b_Snark Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:02:22pm |
re: #278 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Oh lord, GEnie. Remember Prodigy?
Been doing this type of communication since '84.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:03:39pm |
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Stanghazi Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:03:43pm |
re: #269 WindUpBird
Thanks ^_^; I have some fun stories that don't make me look very good, oh lordy
A favorite was when an drunk Irish guy on the London tube was screaming at me about to kick my ass, because he thought I was swedish (?!?!), then I told him I was American, and he became my best friend and we talked about ZZ Top enthusiastically, all while I was going "I gotta get off this train, I'm sitting next to a madman"
LOL
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:03:59pm |
re: #291 b_sharp
That depends.
We look to a consensus and are then quite capable of taking the lead.
when?...this must be historic!...it's not easy or fun being the world cop, but that's what we are right now...it sucks, but until I see another option, it's all there is
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b_Snark Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:04:06pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:04:20pm |
re: #278 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Oh lord, GEnie. Remember Prodigy?
I remember it but I wasn't on it, because it didn't have an Atari ST client IIRC
A friend of mine with an Apple IIgs and also some mystery meat DOS machine had prodigy tho! (YEAH! Tell me I don't know my apple lore, I fucked around with a NeXT box too)
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b_Snark Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:04:32pm |
re: #294 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
That's cool, but insult me, expect an insult right back.
You are a square.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:05:05pm |
re: #297 b_sharp
Been doing this type of communication since '84.
I think it was 1987 for me *_* Thankful for computer-literate family members who gave me their old machines
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albusteve Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:05:28pm |
re: #296 Stanley Sea
Steve goes all New Mex Macho on the newer commenter's. OhCrap, I have seen this more than I can count. I guess it's his form of natural selection, but it gets kinda, tiring.
Do not try to stifle, it's bad form. Unless the commenter is a complete idjit from post 1.
LOL!...talking about Bush was never an issue...have you kept up?...I think not
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Achilles Tang Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:05:46pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:05:59pm |
re: #281 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I love his voice.
I think if he and Aaron Neville played the same venue, they would hit notes so high that dogs would be howling 3 counties away.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:06:36pm |
re: #290 WindUpBird
HOUSE RULE!
I'm playing Words with Friends and Strangers. Computer is in charge.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:07:04pm |
re: #306 Naso Tang
Telnet here.
Telnet was a luxury! I only had local BBSes at first, because they were free, and i didn't know anyone with a college account at the UW
and then in college I would telnet to a modem bank...to call the same local BBSes. Which is sorta weak sauce, but my friends were there! :D
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:07:32pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:07:42pm |
re: #296 Stanley Sea
Steve goes all New Mex Macho on the newer commenter's. OhCrap, I have seen this more than I can count. I guess it's his form of natural selection, but it gets kinda, tiring.
Do not try to stifle, it's bad form. Unless the commenter is a complete idjit from post 1.
Thanks, Stanley Sea. I expect this behavior from certain types. It's not what I say that bothers them, it's that they are completely impotent to control, direct, supervise, manage, or regulate it, in any way. So they act out. Sux to be them, I suppose. /Schadenfreude
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:07:58pm |
re: #309 ggt
I'm playing Words with Friends and Strangers. Computer is in charge.
I only play scrabble in person, same with chess, board games like that are completely a social thing for me
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:07:59pm |
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bratwurst Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:08:03pm |
I think I have made this observation before, but I continue to maintain that it is almost always the most humorless people who pepper their electronic communication with "LOL" and "hahaha".
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Achilles Tang Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:08:21pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:08:23pm |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:08:32pm |
re: #315 bratwurst
I think I have made this observation before, but I continue to maintain that it is almost always the most humorless people who pepper their electronic communication with "LOL" and "hahaha".
What about hee hee hee, or hehehehe?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:08:33pm |
re: #302 WindUpBird
I remember it but I wasn't on it, because it didn't have an Atari ST client IIRC
A friend of mine with an Apple IIgs and also some mystery meat DOS machine had prodigy tho! (YEAH! Tell me I don't know my apple lore, I fucked around with a NeXT box too)
Remember the Lisa?
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Stanghazi Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:08:58pm |
re: #309 ggt
I'm playing Words with Friends and Strangers. Computer is in charge.
I play words. My friends always say, USE IT IN A SENTANCE. I say fuck you.
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Gus Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:09:00pm |
Yeah. That's why I post these pictures. So people can joke about venison, hunting, and eating Bambi.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:09:18pm |
re: #315 bratwurst
I think I have made this observation before, but I continue to maintain that it is almost always the most humorless people who pepper their electronic communication with "LOL" and "hahaha".
AW COME ON! I guarantee I can make you laugh in person :D
the "hahah" thing started when I was like 13 online, never got rid of it!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:09:56pm |
re: #319 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Remember the Lisa?
I remember it from magazines, but never saw one! My family was an Atari family, not an Apple family ^_^
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:09:59pm |
re: #317 WindUpBird
he can call me flower if he wants to
Nah, you and I are good again. You've stopped being a skunk. :D
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b_Snark Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:10:02pm |
re: #306 Naso Tang
Telnet here.
Telnet for school (connecting to VAX and IBM mainframes), 300 bps modem, half a dozen BBSes. Fun times.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:10:05pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:11:07pm |
re: #324 Dark_Falcon
Nah, you and I are good again. You've stopped being a skunk. :D
I readily admit some of my online jerk moments are a personality flaw *_*
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:11:28pm |
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b_Snark Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:11:33pm |
re: #315 bratwurst
I think I have made this observation before, but I continue to maintain that it is almost always the most humorless people who pepper their electronic communication with "LOL" and "hahaha".
LOL. Gotta agree.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:12:12pm |
re: #325 b_sharp
Telnet for school (connecting to VAX and IBM mainframes), 300 bps modem, half a dozen BBSes. Fun times.
Ah, the VAX-VMS. Those were days.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:12:20pm |
re: #325 b_sharp
Telnet for school (connecting to VAX and IBM mainframes), 300 bps modem, half a dozen BBSes. Fun times.
VAX was what my college used, which was infuriating, because I went from having real web at home, to crappy VAX terminal in college. BLUGFH :(
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bratwurst Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:12:20pm |
re: #318 EmmmieG
What about hee hee hee, or hehehehe?
Strangely, those people tend to be quite jovial in my experience. ;)
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Targetpractice Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:13:21pm |
re: #327 b_sharp
I don't hate Bambi, I love Bambi.
Yum.
There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures...right next to the mashed potatoes.
//
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Achilles Tang Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:13:25pm |
re: #327 b_sharp
I don't hate Bambi, I love Bambi.
Yum.
Came 12 inches from killing Bambi this afternoon. I wouldn't have braked so hard if my deductible wasn't $500, but I figured it wasn't worth $500 worth of meat for $500 worth of repairs to the truck.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:13:31pm |
re: #324 Dark_Falcon
Nah, you and I are good again. You've stopped being a skunk. :D
(Flower is my favorite character in the movie, actually)
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:13:46pm |
re: #297 b_sharp
Been doing this type of communication since '84.
'90 for me. Still in love with it.
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bratwurst Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:14:12pm |
re: #322 WindUpBird
AW COME ON! I guarantee I can make you laugh in person :D
the "hahah" thing started when I was like 13 online, never got rid of it!
I was not at all referring to you. As you have made me CRY in laughter several times around here, I am quite certain that blowing the froth off of a beer with you in person would entail a chortle or guffaw at minimum!
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b_Snark Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:14:36pm |
re: #329 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Oh I know. Never gotten away from squareage, it's true.
You were supposed to insult me.
Now I feel all ignored.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:15:45pm |
re: #340 b_sharp
You were supposed to insult me.
Now I feel all ignored.
Hey, gotta keep you on your toes!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:15:59pm |
re: #339 bratwurst
I was not at all referring to you. As you have made me CRY in laughter several times around here, I am quite certain that blowing the froth off of a beer with you in person would entail a chortle or guffaw at minimum!
^_^;;;
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:16:29pm |
'yos" is also not an acceptable word.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:16:32pm |
re: #84 Dark_Falcon
Korea was not meaningless. To have simply let the Norks conquer South Korea would have done the reputation of the USA and the UN intolerable damage. Both would have looked weak and incapable of stopping Communist aggression. Yes, tens of thousands of Americans died to prove were not weak, but that price was worth paying in my opinion.
We agree Dark but not for the same reason.
For me it was less about us looking weak, more about us protecting South Korean people from being taken over by the North Koreans.
Even though the Korean war ended in a draw we still managed to help prevent a great many people who turned to us for aid from being conquered.
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b_Snark Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:17:44pm |
re: #332 WindUpBird
VAX was what my college used, which was infuriating, because I went from having real web at home, to crappy VAX terminal in college. BLUGFH :(
I just loved the black screen, orange/yellow text and the non-standard VT100 keyboard. Not!
I much preferred to use my ST to telnet to the VAX.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:17:45pm |
re: #339 bratwurst
I am quite certain that blowing the froth off of a beer with you in person
Is that a form of flirting where you are, or something else?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:18:00pm |
re: #320 Stanley Sea
I play words. My friends always say, USE IT IN A SENTANCE. I say fuck you.
A friend got mad and quit playing me because I used the word "oy". Said it wasn't a
real
word. I said it got me 42 points.
I guess there are rules I don't know about. Not too many people will play with me.
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BenghaziHoops Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:18:54pm |
re: #288 WindUpBird
I was terrified! Dude was huge and I was like 135 pounds
But suddenly I was all trying to use every ounce of rock knowledge I had to make this guy my friend
Well you must have done something right.. I like having you around...you're cool..
You know my story was always different.. I lived in foster homes till I was 12.. I fought playing sports...I had little control...Trust me..I had issues...
You know what saved my life? Getting adopted by awesome folks.. My Mom was a great woman's golfer and played ball with us kids all the time in the yard...One Time.. And this is Honest to God.. We were playing baseball and I got pissed off and threw a tandrum looking to fight somebody...
Mom called me over.. Follow me..Behind the House.. And she took me up by the scruff of the neck against the wall and told me that no son of hers would ever be a bad sportsman.. She was in my face...It was intense and there were tears and words..Changed my life.. I was so proud to have her watch me play in college.. My mom was quite the athlete..
I am what I am as a man because of her...Thanks Mom
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:19:35pm |
re: #347 ggt
The ppl I play Scrabble with..we have a rule that you can use non-English words, as long as everyone knows them. Happy medium.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:20:45pm |
re: #349 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
The ppl I play Scrabble with..we have a rule that you can use non-English words, as long as everyone knows them. Happy medium.
It's easier when electronics aren't involved.
I still play to win tho.
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b_Snark Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:20:59pm |
re: #336 Naso Tang
Came 12 inches from killing Bambi this afternoon. I wouldn't have braked so hard if my deductible wasn't $500, but I figured it wasn't worth $500 worth of meat for $500 worth of repairs to the truck.
I ran over Bambi a few years ago while driving a 2001 Kia Sportage. I thumped up and over her, sat in the vehicle for a few minutes, grabbed a box cutter in case I had to perform a mercy kill and then when out to see how bad she was hurt. The ungrateful animal had taken off into the bush while I was working up my courage.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:21:08pm |
re: #349 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
The ppl I play Scrabble with..we have a rule that you can use non-English words, as long as everyone knows them. Happy medium.
English is way too much of a hodgepodge language to play any other way.
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Stanghazi Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:21:19pm |
re: #315 bratwurst
I think I have made this observation before, but I continue to maintain that it is almost always the most humorless people who pepper their electronic communication with "LOL" and "hahaha".
I'm an old school emotional commenter. I'm going to lol and ahhahhaahha to the end.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:21:20pm |
re: #349 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
as long as everyone knows them.
You trust your friends. That's good.
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b_Snark Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:21:43pm |
re: #338 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
'90 for me. Still in love with it.
It can be fun and informative, can't it?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:21:48pm |
re: #345 b_sharp
I just loved the black screen, orange/yellow text and the non-standard VT100 keyboard. Not!
I much preferred to use my ST to telnet to the VAX.
were you also an ST gamer? The ST is sorta where a lot of my game and art aesthetic comes from., Spectrum 512, D.E.G.A.S. and all the old FTL games *_*
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:22:33pm |
re: #350 ggt
Oh man, I hear you. I'm up for a tourney over Labor Day w/e. I think I will need protective gear for it. lol
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Gus Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:23:00pm |
re: #351 b_sharp
I ran over Bambi a few years ago while driving a 2001 Kia Sportage. I thumped up and over her, sat in the vehicle for a few minutes, grabbed a box cutter in case I had to perform a mercy kill and then when out to see how bad she was hurt. The ungrateful animal had taken off into the bush while I was working up my courage.
Yeah. A couple of days ago some stray dog was chasing two does. I grabbed a machete and chased the dog away. Good thing for that dog he didn't attack those does otherwise he would have been one dead dog.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:23:19pm |
re: #348 HoosierHoops
Parents with good values are so important *_*
I probably owe the art career to my mother, who was always pushing for me to try new creative things, buying art supplies, etc
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b_Snark Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:23:54pm |
re: #347 ggt
A friend got mad and quit playing me because I used the word "oy". Said it wasn't a
word. I said it got me 42 points.
I guess there are rules I don't know about. Not too many people will play with me.
A good neologist can dominate Scrabble.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:24:00pm |
re: #350 ggt
It's easier when electronics aren't involved.
I still play to win tho.
You've seen Word Wars, right? :D
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laZardo Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:24:11pm |
So I'm back.
Apparently there was this one girl that showed up for work just today because she was a booth babe for Activision at the gaming convention I missed because I spent the weekend at work.
;_;
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Stanghazi Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:24:35pm |
re: #347 ggt
A friend got mad and quit playing me because I used the word "oy". Said it wasn't a
word. I said it got me 42 points.
I guess there are rules I don't know about. Not too many people will play with me.
Are you GGT? I'm Michelle e eee
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:24:49pm |
re: #354 Naso Tang
You trust your friends. That's good.
I do, yes. Happens, when you've been through a lot with ppl. I enjoy it.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:24:49pm |
re: #362 laZardo
So I'm back.
Apparently there was this one girl that showed up for work just today because she was a booth babe for Activision at the gaming convention I missed because I spent the weekend at work.
;_;
Oh booth babes XD
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b_Snark Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:24:57pm |
re: #348 HoosierHoops
Well you must have done something right.. I like having you around...you're cool..
You know my story was always different.. I lived in foster homes till I was 12.. I fought playing sports...I had little control...Trust me..I had issues...
You know what saved my life? Getting adopted by awesome folks.. My Mom was a great woman's golfer and played ball with us kids all the time in the yard...One Time.. And this is Honest to God.. We were playing baseball and I got pissed off and threw a tandrum looking to fight somebody...
Mom called me over.. Follow me..Behind the House.. And she took me up by the scruff of the neck against the wall and told me that no son of hers would ever be a bad sportsman.. She was in my face...It was intense and there were tears and words..Changed my life.. I was so proud to have her watch me play in college.. My mom was quite the athlete..
I am what I am as a man because of her...Thanks Mom
Lucky man.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:26:28pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:26:57pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:27:08pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:27:30pm |
re: #370 ggt
no, I haven't, LOL
IT"S SO GOOD
if you love scrabble, it's just the greatest little documentary
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:27:41pm |
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laZardo Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:27:43pm |
re: #368 WindUpBird
I think i know what gaming con ;-)
The one in Seattle last weekend? It was almost literally next door to my apartment building.
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Stanghazi Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:28:15pm |
re: #363 Stanley Sea
Will a stalker now ask me to play? Prob not.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:28:28pm |
re: #373 laZardo
The one in Seattle last weekend? It was almost literally next door to my apartment building.
ahahahaha damn
Well, I'll be in the area in late September
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b_Snark Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:28:31pm |
re: #356 WindUpBird
were you also an ST gamer? The ST is sorta where a lot of my game and art aesthetic comes from., Spectrum 512, D.E.G.A.S. and all the old FTL games *_*
Not so much on the ST, I spent more time writing code for my classes. I played games on my 800XL quite a bit though. I should go dive into my old software boxes and see what I have left. I do believe I had D.E.G.A.S.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:29:03pm |
I'm geegeetee on Words with Friends and Strangers.
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b_Snark Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:31:35pm |
re: #369 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
This one is for Pancakes
[Video]
I thank you for that. I love that song.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:33:07pm |
re: #379 b_sharp
I thank you for that. I love that song.
I love them, too. And that 1974 footage of Greg Lake...someone bring me a fire extinguisher, cripes!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:33:07pm |
re: #376 b_sharp
Not so much on the ST, I spent more time writing code for my classes. I played games on my 800XL quite a bit though. I should go dive into my old software boxes and see what I have left. I do believe I had D.E.G.A.S.
I started out with a 400, then later a 130XE, lotsa good times playing Autoduel and Phantasie and Infocom games
But the ST (that i worked my ass off all summer for, hah) was where I became entranced with the possibilities O_O
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BenghaziHoops Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:33:36pm |
re: #376 b_sharp
Not so much on the ST, I spent more time writing code for my classes. I played games on my 800XL quite a bit though. I should go dive into my old software boxes and see what I have left. I do believe I had D.E.G.A.S.
That's cool..I'm into technology big time...I used to write in Basic and VB in the old days...Charles haz mad skilz.. I'm just an Admin now but you know programmers are at my mercy...*wink*
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:33:45pm |
re: #369 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
This one is for Pancakes
[Video]
guys chewing gum while on stage and singing?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:34:37pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:36:23pm |
re: #386 ggt
guys chewing gum while on stage and singing?
Kinda.
Greg Lake chewing gum on stage and singing!
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:37:06pm |
re: #348 HoosierHoops
Love your stories!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:37:55pm |
re: #388 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Kinda.
Greg Lake chewing gum on stage and singing!
ah,
guy's
I forgot the '
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:38:10pm |
re: #374 Stanley Sea
No, but some Lizards might!
*waves*
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lostlakehiker Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:39:05pm |
re: #178 Atlas Fails
But wait! We were sure, SURE, that Iraq had WMDs. Why were we so gung ho about that war? After all, couldn't have used bio warfare on us?
My theory is that we don't want to mess with countries we know could trigger WWIII, but if someone like Saddam waves his dick in our face long enough, hinting that he *might* have such capabilities, we decide to bring the hammer down and make an example out of them. Fine in theory, but it can cause some serious dilemmas in practice.
We knew he didn't have nukes. Yet. There's an unbridgeable gulf between how serious anthrax letter bombs are, and how serious Hiroshima bombs are.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:39:23pm |
I'm waiting,
I don't see any games appearing on my phone --
Lizards?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:41:22pm |
oh geez!
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:41:58pm |
re: #392 lostlakehiker
We knew he didn't have nukes. Yet. There's an unbridgeable gulf between how serious anthrax letter bombs are, and how serious Hiroshima bombs are.
Odd argument. He didn't have nukes, and he didn't have WMD of any kind. And even if he did, Iraq never attacked us. Wrong target, wrong time = moral/ethical mess.
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jaunte Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:43:02pm |
Aha! Just as I (we all) suspected:
@DiscoverMag: The plane truth: boarding by rows is the worst way of all, says physicist http://bit.ly/oA5q9Q
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:43:23pm |
re: #394 ggt
oh geez!
I hate hearing about this stuff.
"Of these, some 1,300 were deliberately infected with syphilis, gonorrhoea or another sexually transmitted disease, chancroid.
And of that group only approximately 700 received some sort of treatment."
Again?
Does it ever end, wtf America.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:44:38pm |
re: #399 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Again?
Does it ever end, wtf America.
This is the world the Dominionists want to return to?
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Gus Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:46:22pm |
re: #394 ggt
oh geez!
Amazing isn't it? That's just one of hundreds of things the USA did to Central and South Americans. Then Americans wonder why certain people down there feel the way they do.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:47:27pm |
dogs go out
dogs come in
dogs want to go out again.
why?
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jaunte Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:47:43pm |
re: #400 ggt
This is the world the Dominionists want to return to?
They'd like to return to a world where they don't have to hear about that unpleasant stuff.
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b_Snark Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:48:03pm |
re: #383 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I love them, too. And that 1974 footage of Greg Lake...someone bring me a fire extinguisher, cripes!
My response is a little different, but King Crimson and ELP turned me on to progressive rock.
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BenghaziHoops Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:50:16pm |
re: #389 Floral Giraffe
Love your stories!
Hi You! Hope you are well...
Same old same old here.. one million degrees outside and rain is no where to be seen...
Winston has made best friends with the maid.. He is kind of pissing me off..He loves her more than me and she spoils him so bad.. LOL
He is such a ham.. Other than that..I'm checking out tickets to Train at OKC and I have my Ticket to Ball State-OU...Other than that..Hot Summer in the City
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b_Snark Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:50:34pm |
re: #384 WindUpBird
I started out with a 400, then later a 130XE, lotsa good times playing Autoduel and Phantasie and Infocom games
But the ST (that i worked my ass off all summer for, hah) was where I became entranced with the possibilities O_O
I bought a 1040, and the wife bought a 520. After school I sold the 1040 because the job I ended up with needed a PC. I eventually bought the 520 from the wife. I still have it.
I used the 1040 for two 400 level graphics classes.
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jaunte Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:53:17pm |
re: #401 Gus 802
I heard this recent Ry Cooder song on the way home tonight:
No Banker Left Behind
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laZardo Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:53:35pm |
re: #375 WindUpBird
ahahahaha damn
Well, I'll be in the area in late September
Oh cool. now we can engage in hard yiffing or something
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b_Snark Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:54:35pm |
re: #385 HoosierHoops
That's cool..I'm into technology big time...I used to write in Basic and VB in the old days...Charles haz mad skilz.. I'm just an Admin now but you know programmers are at my mercy...*wink*
I had several jobs coding and eventually ended up writing dbases in DBase, Paradox, BTrieve and Access. I don't do any coding anymore and I kinda miss it.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:55:34pm |
re: #410 b_sharp
I had several jobs coding and eventually ended up writing dbases in DBase, Paradox, BTrieve and Access. I don't do any coding anymore and I kinda miss it.
I had a head code but I took some tylenol, does that count?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:56:17pm |
re: #405 b_sharp
My response is a little different, but King Crimson and ELP turned me on to progressive rock.
Greg Lake and Keith E are like, whole-package people for me. The thing that got me was their musicianship...I first found out about them in high school, ironically, as the keyboardist for this white Baptist church on a bus tour of the west coast.
There was some of everybody in that band - 7th Day Adventist bassist, Lutheran horn player, me (Methodist/Charismatic), closet-atheist guitarist, also female; lol we were a crew. But the bassist was the one who slipped me Brain Salad Surgery. Was never the same, since.
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jaunte Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:57:30pm |
Randy Newman & Ry Cooder - Let's Burn Down the Cornfield
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b_Snark Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:57:51pm |
re: #403 ggt
dogs go out
dogs come in
dogs want to go out again.why?
Its a game they play, to see how well you're trained.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:57:59pm |
re: #400 ggt
This is the world the Dominionists want to return to?
Yeah the Dominionists and a whole lotta other people, too.
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Gus Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:58:32pm |
re: #408 jaunte
I heard this recent Ry Cooder song on the way home tonight:
No Banker Left Behind[Video]
Fecking banks. Now they're firing people and going through some major restructuring. Lot of outsourcing going on per usual. I know several years ago they dumbed down the bank tellers and fired the older and higher paid teller and replaced them with kids. That's all you see anymore at banks is kids.
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jaunte Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:58:36pm |
BorowitzReport
The difference between Cheney & Obama is that when Obama shoots someone in the face it's Osama bin Laden.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:58:36pm |
WTF Alabama?
Anti-Immigration law blocked by Judge
Among other provisions, the law would require schools to find out whether students are in the country legally.
In addition, it would make it a crime knowingly to give a lift or rent a room to an undocumented worker.
The state's police would also get sweeping new powers.
If, in the course of their duties, they come across anyone whose status is suspect, they would be able to detain them without question.
I thought once a person was in the country they were considered a US Person and protected by our civil rights laws.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:59:27pm |
re: #411 sattv4u2
I had a head code but I took some tylenol, does that count?
Did it help the blockage?
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jaunte Mon, Aug 29, 2011 8:59:31pm |
re: #417 Gus 802
I left BoA years ago when it became clear that no one in the local branch could make any decisions.
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Targetpractice Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:00:08pm |
re: #419 ggt
WTF Alabama?
Anti-Immigration law blocked by Judge
I thought once a person was in the country they were considered a US Person and protected by our civil rights laws.
"Us vs Them" mentality rules supreme. When times become hard in a country, it's pretty common for folks to start turning on "outsiders," as well as those perceived to be helping those "outsiders."
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Stanghazi Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:00:29pm |
re: #393 ggt
I'm waiting,
I don't see any games appearing on my phone --
Lizards?
phone charging inside. I invited you. I think.
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:00:37pm |
re: #423 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
"Us vs Them" mentality rules supreme. When times become hard in a country, it's pretty common for folks to start turning on "outsiders," as well as those perceived to be helping those "outsiders."
God damned elves.
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b_Snark Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:01:10pm |
re: #413 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Greg Lake and Keith E are like, whole-package people for me. The thing that got me was their musicianship...I first found out about them in high school, ironically, as the keyboardist for this white Baptist church on a bus tour of the west coast.
There was some of everybody in that band - 7th Day Adventist bassist, Lutheran horn player, me (Methodist/Charismatic), closet-atheist guitarist, also female; lol we were a crew. But the bassist was the one who slipped me Brain Salad Surgery. Was never the same, since.
Sounds like a lot of fun.
Bassists are like that you know, they corrupt.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:01:29pm |
re: #403 ggt
dogs go out
dogs come in
dogs want to go out again.why?
When mine stand by the door looking at me, I look back at them, wiggle my thumbs and say "see ,, if you had these you could be doing this yourself!"
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:01:44pm |
re: #406 HoosierHoops
*smooch*
All is well here, too.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:02:16pm |
Just heard on AP Radio News (stream), 40 deaths from Irene.
Lots of flooding in VT.
Fing Michele Bachman and her sociopath "jokes".
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:02:48pm |
re: #427 sattv4u2
When mine stand by the door looking at me, I look back at them, wiggle my thumbs and say "see ,, if you had these you could be doing this yourself!"
Ah well, puppy has already learned he can open the kitchen cabinets.
Had a GSD and a Lab that could actually open doors.
Sucks cause they never learned to close them.
We'd find the lab at the playground down the block.
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jaunte Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:03:18pm |
re: #419 ggt
In addition, it would make it a crime knowingly to give a lift or rent a room to an undocumented worker.
I'm fairly confident that making lift-giving illegal is literally un-Christian.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:04:52pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:05:10pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:06:08pm |
re: #426 b_sharp
Sounds like a lot of fun.
Bassists are like that you know, they corrupt.
It was. When people start tripping about skin color and style of music I usually have to end up saying look, some of the best Gospel musicians I've ever played with in my life were in that band. This is back when the larger churches still had real music staff - arrangers, composers, even a copyist, lots of ties to the LA entertainment community and such...played with them for 4 years. Unique experience.
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Targetpractice Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:06:55pm |
re: #403 ggt
dogs go out
dogs come in
dogs want to go out again.why?
Our tomcat is an indoor cat, but he makes every effort to get outside whenever he can, even though we know he won't stay out for more than a few minutes. He's gotten to the point now where he knows our daily routine, such that he knows what time to start noise that he wants out. When we don't stick to that routine, he gets all confused and even more anxious.
Poor thing practically sulked on Saturday when we had to keep him, since even at 12lbs, he'd have been blown away by one good gust from Irene.
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jaunte Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:07:23pm |
Randy Newman & Ry Cooder - Mama Told Me Not To Come
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b_Snark Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:08:43pm |
re: #423 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
"Us vs Them" mentality rules supreme. When times become hard in a country, it's pretty common for folks to start turning on "outsiders," as well as those perceived to be helping those "outsiders."
It worked well for us when our groups were 40 - 50 chimps, and had some advantage when our tribes were 40 - 100 people, but it sure as shit screws us up now.
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:09:49pm |
re: #437 b_sharp
It worked well for us when our groups were 40 - 50 chimps, and had some advantage when our tribes were 40 - 100 people, but it sure as shit screws us up now.
*Gives the smaller chimp group a tactical nuke*
MUHAHAHAHA!
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b_Snark Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:10:45pm |
re: #425 Varek Raith
God damned elves.
It's all the fault of the Sith. The Jedi were never like that.
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:11:44pm |
re: #439 b_sharp
It's all the fault of the Sith. The Jedi were never like that.
It's the Jedi's fault for not figuring it all out sooner.
Not my fault they're inept fools.
;)
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Targetpractice Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:11:49pm |
re: #437 b_sharp
It worked well for us when our groups were 40 - 50 chimps, and had some advantage when our tribes were 40 - 100 people, but it sure as shit screws us up now.
Over the years, I've noticed that "civilization" is just a shiny veneer on old instincts and habits. We tell ourselves that we're different than our ancestors, but we've just found more advanced and clean methods of meeting the same goals. We spill a lot less blood, but the same instincts are still there, under the surface.
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Stanghazi Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:12:37pm |
re: #414 jaunte
Randy Newman & Ry Cooder - Let's Burn Down the Cornfield
[Video]
I tried to find the Ry Cooder interview from today's all things considered. to page. He has a new album dropping tomorrow that is protest songs about our present state. One is "No Bankers Left Behind"
Here is a write up.
[Link: www.truthdig.com...]
Fucking awesome interview.
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b_Snark Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:12:47pm |
re: #434 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
It was. When people start tripping about skin color and style of music I usually have to end up saying look, some of the best Gospel musicians I've ever played with in my life were in that band. This is back when the larger churches still had real music staff - arrangers, composers, even a copyist, lots of ties to the LA entertainment community and such...played with them for 4 years. Unique experience.
I'm jealous.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:13:01pm |
re: #441 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Over the years, I've noticed that "civilization" is just a shiny veneer on old instincts and habits. We tell ourselves that we're different than our ancestors, but we've just found more advanced and clean methods of meeting the same goals. We spill a lot less blood, but the same instincts are still there, under the surface.
We are feeling animals that think.
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jaunte Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:15:20pm |
re: #444 ggt
We are feeling animals that think.
and sometimes we think poorly...
Image: s_i27_28052214.jpg
An unidentified man hangs on to a branch in a rain swollen creek as he waits for rescuers in New City, New York, on August 28, 2011. He and three others went tubing in the creek and had to be rescued by New City and Stony Point fire departments' water rescue teams. With the rains and wind of Tropical Storm Irene heading north, some people went out for recreation in the unusual conditions left in the storm's wake. ( AP Photo/The Journal News, Peter Carr)
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b_Snark Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:17:01pm |
re: #441 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Over the years, I've noticed that "civilization" is just a shiny veneer on old instincts and habits. We tell ourselves that we're different than our ancestors, but we've just found more advanced and clean methods of meeting the same goals. We spill a lot less blood, but the same instincts are still there, under the surface.
Sadly, our brains still think we live in small groups of relatives.
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:17:16pm |
If given the power of everything this is what he chooses?
Weaksauce, man, weaksauve.
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Targetpractice Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:17:45pm |
re: #445 jaunte
and sometimes we think poorly...
Even the exceptionally bright amongst us can have bonehead moments. There's a long history of accidental discoveries, from penicillin to the microwave.
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b_Snark Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:18:00pm |
re: #444 ggt
We are feeling animals that think.
Yup.
The thinking is a veneer on top of the feeling.
Literally.
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b_Snark Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:18:43pm |
re: #447 Varek Raith
If given the power of everything this is what he chooses?
Weaksauce, man, weaksauve.
Dork!
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jaunte Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:19:45pm |
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Four More Tears Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:20:02pm |
re: #447 Varek Raith
If given the power of everything this is what he chooses?
Weaksauce, man, weaksauve.
That's right up there with a geek discussion of whether or not Batman can beat Galactus.
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Targetpractice Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:20:38pm |
re: #447 Varek Raith
If given the power of everything this is what he chooses?
Weaksauce, man, weaksauve.
Personally, were I God (with a capital "G"), I think I have might have more pressing matters to deal with than whether or not some amongst my flock decided to pursue members of the same sex. But hey, that makes sense, so let's forget I said it.
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laZardo Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:20:47pm |
re: #453 JasonA
That's right up there with a geek discussion of whether or not Batman can beat Galactus.
Batman beats Galactus, every time. :D
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:20:55pm |
re: #453 JasonA
That's right up there with a geek discussion of whether or not Batman can beat Galactus.
He clearly can't.
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:21:14pm |
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b_Snark Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:21:36pm |
re: #453 JasonA
That's right up there with a geek discussion of whether or not Batman can beat Galactus.
Sorry, Galactus would run all over the BMan.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:22:11pm |
re: #419 ggt
WTF Alabama?
Anti-Immigration law blocked by Judge
I thought once a person was in the country they were considered a US Person and protected by our civil rights laws.
Civil Rights is COMMUNISM!!!!!@
| 462 |
jaunte Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:22:25pm |
re: #460 b_sharp
However, Batman can slip through gaps that would snag Galactacus' flaps.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:23:10pm |
re: #454 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Personally, were I God (with a capital "G"), I think I have might have more pressing matters to deal with than whether or not some amongst my flock decided to pursue members of the same sex. But hey, that makes sense, so let's forget I said it.
Yeah, I'd say it's above my paygrade.
Besides, who would want to live in a world without Elton John?
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:23:19pm |
re: #459 ggt
scissors beats paper
"Rock crushes scissors! But paper covers rock. And scissors cuts paper! Kif, we have a conundrum."
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:23:43pm |
re: #447 Varek Raith
If given the power of everything this is what he chooses?
Weaksauce, man, weaksauve.
I guess that's what gives him the worst anxiety of all.
Closet case.
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:23:51pm |
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Four More Tears Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:25:01pm |
About that MLK statue... when are they going to finish it?
Honestly, I just don't get that style.
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b_Snark Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:25:07pm |
re: #461 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Civil Rights = Socialism = Communism = CR3.
CR3 = uppity minorities.
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b_Snark Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:26:02pm |
re: #462 jaunte
However, Batman can slip through gaps that would snag Galactacus' flaps.
Galactus could beat the BMan by sneezing.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:26:25pm |
re: #470 b_sharp
Civil Rights = Socialism = Communism = CR3.
CR3 = uppity minorities.
Yep, arrogant as eff, and don't give a damn how they feel about it, either. Wouldn't trade it for any money.
It really bothers them, I guess.
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Targetpractice Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:27:45pm |
re: #464 ggt
Yeah, I'd say it's above my paygrade.
Besides, who would want to live in a world without Elton John?
Not I. A world without the man whose brilliance made this commercial possible is not a world worth living in...
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Four More Tears Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:30:10pm |
re: #447 Varek Raith
If given the power of everything this is what he chooses?
Weaksauce, man, weaksauve.
I think we should all write this congressman and pose as Christianish white middle age women writing to express dismay that he thinks God fucked up. Make him crap his pants.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:32:55pm |
re: #474 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Not I. A world without the man whose brilliance made this commercial possible is not a world worth living in...
[Video]
I can't remember where on when, I saw an interview with Elton John. He has quite a sense of humor. Could have been an Actors Theatre interview. He said he has worked all his life, sold millions of albumns and acheived his greatest success singing the words of a warthog.
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Lidane Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:39:47pm |
re: #465 Varek Raith
"Rock crushes scissors! But paper covers rock. And scissors cuts paper! Kif, we have a conundrum."
Pfft. Everyone knows how the game works:
Scissors cut paper
Paper covers rock
Rock crushes lizard
Lizard poisons Spock
Spock smashes scissors
Scissors decapitate lizard
Lizard eats paper
Paper disproves Spock
Spock vaporizes rock
Rock crushes scissors
;)
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:41:41pm |
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Lidane Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:42:08pm |
re: #479 sattv4u2
Lizard poisons Spock
Spock smashes scissorsMister, or Doctor?
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:44:20pm |
I liked the interview in which Elton John said if he had a bastard daughter it would be Lady Gaga.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:44:49pm |
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engineer cat Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:51:07pm |
spork stabs fried chicken
mashed potatoes break spork
gravy covers mashed potatoes
children spill gravy
ice cream inflates children
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jaunte Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:53:57pm |
My Baby Don't Tolerate: Lyle Lovett, John Hiatt and Joe Ely
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:55:12pm |
Well, I like this new song.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:57:14pm |
re: #476 ggt
I can't remember where on when, I saw an interview with Elton John. He has quite a sense of humor. Could have been an Actors Theatre interview. He said he has worked all his life, sold millions of albumns and acheived his greatest success singing the words of a warthog.
Disney will make you money *_*
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Aug 29, 2011 9:57:19pm |
Warren Jeffs is in a coma.
Darn. I'm all shook up.
12 year olds on the Arizona/Utah border will sleep better tonight.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 10:00:22pm |
re: #488 EmmmieG
Warren Jeffs is in a coma.
Darn. I'm all shook up.
12 year olds on the Arizona/Utah border will sleep better tonight.
Having your world proven non-existent will do that to you.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 10:01:30pm |
re: #488 EmmmieG
Warren Jeffs is in a coma.
Darn. I'm all shook up.
12 year olds on the Arizona/Utah border will sleep better tonight.
Fasting! It's what's for dinner!
| 492 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 10:04:34pm |
any word on how the LDS people in Texas are coping with his conviction?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 29, 2011 10:05:51pm |
re: #488 EmmmieG
Warren Jeffs is in a coma.
Darn. I'm all shook up.
12 year olds on the Arizona/Utah border will sleep better tonight.
Sweet dreams to them.
It might be best for everyone if he never comes out of that coma.
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engineer cat Mon, Aug 29, 2011 10:06:45pm |
re: #492 ggt
any word on how the LDS people in Texas are coping with his conviction?
i saw where they interviewed one devotee who asserted that the evidence had been fabricated by the state
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 10:09:52pm |
re: #494 engineer dog
i saw where they interviewed one devotee who asserted that the evidence had been fabricated by the state
serious de-programming needed since these people let this happen. It can't be allowed to happen again.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 10:10:23pm |
Why, when you are wearing shorts, do dogs feel the need to sniff the back of your knee?
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lostlakehiker Mon, Aug 29, 2011 10:12:12pm |
re: #419 ggt
WTF Alabama?
Anti-Immigration law blocked by Judge
I thought once a person was in the country they were considered a US Person and protected by our civil rights laws.
It's not that simple. For instance, it is perfectly legal to discriminate in employment on the basis of citizenship. The U.S. government itself does that.
It is perfectly legal to deport someone who has entered the country illegally. It is not legal to deport citizens for being outside their home state.
The list goes on and on. Illegal aliens are persons under the law. It is not in any way legal to hire them and then cheat them of their wages, or to make slaves of them, and on and on. But they are not citizens, under the law. Citizens may vote. Illegal aliens might manage to vote, but the law permits turning them away at the voting booth. Heck, legal aliens aren't supposed to vote.
Illegal aliens, at a guess, are not required, or even allowed, to serve on juries. The differences in law between the rights of citizens, and the more limited rights of noncitizens here legally, and the still more circumscribed rights of aliens who are not here legally, are extensive.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 10:13:59pm |
I declare it an R&B night on LGF
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 29, 2011 10:14:11pm |
re: #496 ggt
Why, when you are wearing shorts, do dogs feel the need to sniff the back of your knee?
I never wear shorts, but it makes sense. You're sweating there, and it's about nose height for many dogs.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 10:15:09pm |
re: #499 SanFranciscoZionist
I never wear shorts, but it makes sense. You're sweating there, and it's about nose height for many dogs.
I haven't been sweating.
LOL
I think they are following orders from the Cat Overlord.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 29, 2011 10:15:49pm |
Giggling at RedState creationist commenters: [Link: www.redstate.com...]
| 502 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 10:17:03pm |
When did Charles move the LGF Pages button from the top of the front page?
I don't like it.
| 503 |
Stanghazi Mon, Aug 29, 2011 10:17:42pm |
re: #463 Gus 802
Ry Cooder - No Banker Left Behind
[Video]Watch the video.
Thank you for finding Gus!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 29, 2011 10:19:22pm |
Michelle Bachmann (R-Mars) says we are in the last days upstairs.
Should we go there or stay here where it is safe?
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