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National Review’s John Derbyshire Publishes Stunningly Racist Article at White Nationalist Site

The Trayvon Martin case is bringing the racists out of the woodwork
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National Review writer John Derbyshire has outdone himself this time. This article at takimag.com (more on this later) is his version of “the talk” black parents have with their children to warn them about the existence of racism — and it’s overtly racist, paranoid, and frankly deranged: The Talk: Nonblack Version - Taki’s Magazine.

An excerpt:

(9) A small cohort of blacks—in my experience, around five percent—is ferociously hostile to whites and will go to great lengths to inconvenience or harm us. A much larger cohort of blacks—around half—will go along passively if the five percent take leadership in some event. They will do this out of racial solidarity, the natural willingness of most human beings to be led, and a vague feeling that whites have it coming.

(10) Thus, while always attentive to the particular qualities of individuals, on the many occasions where you have nothing to guide you but knowledge of those mean differences, use statistical common sense:

(10a) Avoid concentrations of blacks not all known to you personally.

(10b) Stay out of heavily black neighborhoods.

(10c) If planning a trip to a beach or amusement park at some date, find out whether it is likely to be swamped with blacks on that date (neglect of that one got me the closest I have ever gotten to death by gunshot).

(10d) Do not attend events likely to draw a lot of blacks.

(10e) If you are at some public event at which the number of blacks suddenly swells, leave as quickly as possible.

(10f) Do not settle in a district or municipality run by black politicians.

(10g) Before voting for a black politician, scrutinize his/her character much more carefully than you would a white.

(10h) Do not act the Good Samaritan to blacks in apparent distress, e.g., on the highway.

(10i) If accosted by a strange black in the street, smile and say something polite but keep moving.

(11) The mean intelligence of blacks is much lower than for whites. The least intelligent ten percent of whites have IQs below 81; forty percent of blacks have IQs that low. Only one black in six is more intelligent than the average white; five whites out of six are more intelligent than the average black. These differences show in every test of general cognitive ability that anyone, of any race or nationality, has yet been able to devise. They are reflected in countless everyday situations. “Life is an IQ test.”

That’s just part of it. Derbyshire’s sources for these claims are his own personal experiences (or what he says are his experiences), other racists, and the infamous book The Bell Curve.

But almost more damning than this sick piece of bigoted writing is the website at which it appears: “Taki’s Magazine.”

Often described as “libertarian,” takimag.com is in reality an extreme right, openly racist website, with a list of contributors that reads like a who’s who of white nationalists, white supremacists, and upper-class pseudo-intellectual bigots, including Pat Buchanan, Steve Sailer, Peter Brimelow, Richard Spencer, Jared Taylor, and of course, Robert Stacy McCain.

takimag.com is often cited at the Internet’s most vile sites such as Stormfront, because they put a thin veneer of academic pretension over the racist sludge. Neo-Nazis think it makes them look smarter, because TakiMag doesn’t toss around the N-word with abandon (although Derbyshire does complain in this article that as a white man, he’s not allowed to say it).

The Trayvon Martin case has really turned over a right wing rock, revealing all kinds of slimy creatures underneath.

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435 comments

1 freetoken  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 3:35:16pm
The Trayvon Martin case has really turned over a right wing rock, revealing all kinds of slimy creatures underneath.

And I think they are not done yet.

2 euphgeek  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 3:35:23pm
five whites out of six are more intelligent than the average black.

What does it feel like to be part of the one out of six, John?

3 samuraishake  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 3:35:48pm

I will bet money that he lives in a nearly all-white gated suburb.

4 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 3:36:36pm

Holy crap. What a coward.

5 Kragar  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 3:36:44pm

This guy is a vile piece of shit:

Multiculturalism: When Will the Sleeper Wake?

n that future world, nations that had the sense to remain ethnically intact and which had “Arctic” distributions of intelligence, behavior, and personality—China, Japan, Korea (presumably united by then), Finland maybe, Israel if she survives, just possibly Russia, some outlier oddities such as, perhaps, Hungary—will have steamed ahead of those who inflicted the multi-culti blight upon themselves.

The rest of us will either be dragging ourselves along wearily, towing behind us the millstones of unproductive, unassimilable, low-human-capital subpopulations left over from the Age of Multiculturalism, along with the associated frictions and rancors; or else we shall have broken up in complete ethnic disaggregation, casting off those subpopulations to fend for themselves in mini-states of their own while we join—rejoin, really—the ethno-nationalist march of mankind.

Historians of the future will amuse themselves by coming up with theories to explain why European civilization, at the height of its powers, rich with unparalleled achievements in science, music, art, literature, mathematics, and technology, gave up its lands and its treasures to people for whom those achievements were mere hated tokens of oppression or the impious and superfluous productions of infidels.

6 jaunte  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 3:39:01pm
a vague feeling that whites have it coming

Mr. Derbyshire's Projection, right at the top.

7 Amory Blaine  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 3:40:17pm

Taki site is slow.

8 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 3:41:22pm

re: #7 Amory Blaine

Taki site is slow.

not surprised this article is all over twitter right now.

9 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 3:42:42pm

OK, let me go through this site a bit. First of all, there's this positive review of Tomislav Sunic's book:

[Link: takimag.com...]

A polyglot Croatian scholar, Tomislav Sunic, provides in his newest book, Homo Americanus: Child of the Postmodern Age, reasons that a good European should distrust the US.

Sunic is *deep* in the network of neo-Nazis (without embellishment - see Carolyn Yeager) and white supremacists. Google "sunic reason radio".
Indeed, the reviewer continues:

A foreword by Kevin MacDonald, known for his controversial arguments about the destructiveness of the Jewish impact on gentile society and culture, may unfairly bring Sunic flak. His own critique stays clear of anti-Jewish tirades and of the tasteless flattery of American Jews heard among some Christian Philosemites.

10 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 3:43:35pm

I like reggae and old-school ska a lot, so I often wind up going to places with a nearly all-black crowd.

Apparently I've just been dodging the bullet all these years.

11 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 3:45:13pm

re: #9 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost

Then there is this apologia for Kevin Macdonald:

[Link: takimag.com...]

It would be ridiculous to imagine the same ignominy would be visited on MacDonald if he were a black sociologist making critical remarks about white people. Assuming that he were a designated victim, he would be allowed to compose for profit and prestige diatribes against white Christian males, possibly from a cushy university post at whatever salary illustrious defamers of Euro-Americans are now earning. And if he were a Jew or Christian attacking Christians as the agents of human evil, the now browbeaten MacDonald could make a king’s ransom at some well-heeled institute or as a feature writer for The New Republic or New York Times.

12 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 3:46:11pm

Excuse while I go vomit.

13 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 3:46:51pm

re: #11 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost

The owner, Taki:

[Link: takimag.com...]

Lastly I read Kevin Mac Donald’s Cultural Insurrections, his essays on western civilization, Jewish influence, and anti-Semitism. Jewish influence is a much-discussed subject—in private, that is. It is seldom the subject of dispassionate scientific analysis. MacDonald does not pull his punches.

14 Amory Blaine  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 3:47:51pm

re: #10 Obdicut

He reads like a typical suburban tough guy who drives through the ghetto once a decade and tells the tale of how close he came to death.

*Yawn and barf

15 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 3:51:27pm

Derb analyzes paleo-right antisemitism:

[Link: takimag.com...]

16 Lidane  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 3:52:12pm

Re-post from downstairs, but it's worth noting that Taki was one of the founders of The American Conservative magazine along with Pat Buchanan, and both men are still spotlight authors there.

17 freetoken  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 3:52:44pm

BTW, Derbyshire is not a creationist, by a very long shot. Rather, he is a modern form of "Darwinist" who will ruthlessly apply selection principles to human social and ethnic/genetic subgroups.

Creationists would call Derbyshire a "social Darwinist" but that term is quite muddled by now and it doesn't convey the differences in understanding evolution in the real biological sense and political/social movements that varyingly (mis)apply the concepts out of biology.

Derbyshire is part of a small but apparently growing segment of "conservatives" who are eschewing the SoCon-alliance strategy and pursuing a secular form of conservatism that appeals to economic and ethic/genetic superiority.

18 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 3:54:17pm
19 Lidane  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 3:55:05pm

re: #3 samuraishake

I will bet money that he lives in a nearly all-white gated suburb.

And I'll bet money he walks around all day in adult diapers to keep from humiliating himself every time he gets anywhere near a black person.

He's a coward and a pathetic loser.

20 blueraven  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 3:56:11pm

Will National Review condemn this article?

I am gobsmacked! I knew he was a misogynist creep but damn!

21 Lidane  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 3:56:36pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

The question they should be asking is why are so many RWNJ writers racist?

22 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 3:57:34pm
23 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:00:11pm
24 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:04:40pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

You may try quoting this to him:

[Link: www.johnderbyshire.com...]

I also find the theories of Kevin Macdonald (The Culture of Critique) about the partly malign influence of Jews on modern American culture very persuasive — though this is not an endorsement of Macdonald's theory of "group evolutionary strategies," which I do not understand.

25 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:06:31pm

re: #10 Obdicut

I like reggae and old-school ska a lot, so I often wind up going to places with a nearly all-black crowd.

Apparently I've just been dodging the bullet all these years.

I live in a predominantly black neighborhood - have for years. I can't tell you how glad I am that fuckers like this guy wouldn't come into my neighborhood.

26 blueraven  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:06:38pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

I guess Sean Hannity, and the mini-Brietbarts are his disciples

(10g) Before voting for a black politician, scrutinize his/her character much more carefully than you would a white.

Disgusting!

27 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:07:14pm
28 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:07:30pm
29 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:07:43pm

Goldberg is already retreating into defensiveness. Didn't take long.

30 Spocomptonite  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:08:50pm
(neglect of that one got me the closest I have ever gotten to death by gunshot)

His own car backfired while driving in a less-than-nice part of town.

It's ironic, because working the census, it was the white people that put us enumerators in danger most often.

31 freetoken  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:09:02pm

re: #24 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost

Derbyshire has a multidimensional aspect to his superiority/racist views, which he justifies sometimes by misusing evolution and also extending genetics as he sees fit.

Derbyshire is a hater (like gene racists tend to be) of "blank slatism":

[...]
The long and short of this new understanding is that human beings are much less malleable than everyone supposed half a century ago, and much less malleable than “blank slate” leftists—a category that includes practically all education theorists—have ever, for reasons not difficult to fathom, been willing to contemplate.

Reading recent results out of the human sciences always brings to my mind those “shape memory alloys” that so fascinate materials scientists. These are metal alloys that “remember” their original geometry, and can be made to return to it, or something close to it, usually by heating, after any amount of deformation and pressure.

So it is with humanity. We come into the world with a good deal of our life course pre-ordained in our genes.

[....]

There are many examples of this, see for example: Make way for bio-aesthetics

32 Irving  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:10:15pm

I'm going to give Mr. Goldberg a little leeway here, since he's in a very very very ugly position. Not much, mind you, but a little. I wonder how much advance notice, if any, he had this was coming. I'd be surprised if he had much lead time.

33 freetoken  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:10:50pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

I suspect he will, which is why I tweeted what I did, to see if JG will fall back into tribalism and accept Derbyshire as one of his kind and rush to his aid.

34 freetoken  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:11:46pm

re: #32 Irving

As I challenged Goldberg via tweet, Derbyshire has many many years of writing openly superiority racist stuff, yet the NRO has kept him around.

35 Aye Pod  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:11:50pm

We might see the 'wingnut apology' soon...

I am genuinely sorry if I offended anyone with my well-intentioned and valid piece,which was apparently too frank for politically correct ears.

36 Irving  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:14:10pm

re: #34 freetoken

As I challenged Goldberg via tweet, Derbyshire has many many years of writing openly superiority racist stuff, yet the NRO has kept him around.

Oh, I'm sure he had a sinking feeling about this for a while, but he probably hoped the other shoe wouldn't drop with such a loud, sickening thud. Human beings are pretty good at denial. I'm not saying give him a lot of rope here, mind you, but a 24 hour rule isn't out of line.

37 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:14:43pm

re: #34 freetoken

As I challenged Goldberg via tweet, Derbyshire has many many years of writing openly superiority racist stuff, yet the NRO has kept him around.

As I recall he is also a Vlaams Belang supporter. He's been an open racist for a very long time.

38 makeitstop  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:16:13pm

Didn't Derbyshire take a lot of flak for defending 'Lolita' a few years back?

Dude's creepy in all kinds of ways, looks like.

39 Amory Blaine  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:16:13pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

Goldberg is already retreating into defensiveness. Didn't take long.

It is a weasel's instinct. No offense to weasels intended.

40 Lidane  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:17:05pm

re: #37 Killgore Trout

He's been an open racist for a very long time.

Which makes the protests from the NRO writers fall flat, IMO. His openly racist, white supremacist stuff has been out there for ages. If they really gave a damn, they would have distanced themselves from him a long time ago.

41 freetoken  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:17:21pm

re: #37 Killgore Trout

It's just been too convenient for the people who run orgs like NRO to close their eyes to the likes of Derbyshire, though Derbyshire and Taki and their fellows have been writing all sorts of offensive stuff for a very long time.

42 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:17:52pm

Not quite recalling who this racist Derbyshire is, I googled his name. This was at the top of the search results...

Forbes: Why National Review Must Fire John Derbyshire

Derbyshire also recommends befriending some “intelligent and well-socialized blacks” (IWSBs, for short) so that you can deflect charges of racism by noting that some of your best friends are black. Alas, he adds “the demand is greater than the supply, so IWSBs are something of a luxury good, like antique furniture or corporate jets: boasted of by upper-class whites and wealthy organizations, coveted by the less prosperous.”

43 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:17:56pm

(10a) Avoid concentrations of republicans not all known to you personally.

(10b) Stay out of heavily republican neighborhoods.

(10c) If planning a trip to a beach or amusement park at some date, find out whether it is likely to be swamped with republicans on that date (neglect of that one got me the closest I have ever gotten to asphyxiation by bigot hausfrau).

(10d) Do not attend events likely to draw a lot of republicans.

(10e) If you are at some public event at which the number of republicans suddenly swells, leave as quickly as possible. Make oblique references to country pop music or the price of gold to facilitate your escape.

(10f) Do not settle in a district or municipality run by republican politicians.

(10g) Before voting for a republican politician, consult your oncologist, you may have soul cancer.

(10h) Do not act the Good Samaritan to republicans in apparent gastric distress, e.g., at Grandma's Buffet or Applebees.

(10i) If accosted by a strange republican in the street, smile and say something about tort reform or Mark Levin but keep moving.

44 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:18:27pm

re: #34 freetoken

As I challenged Goldberg via tweet, Derbyshire has many many years of writing openly superiority racist stuff, yet the NRO has kept him around.

which is why the NRO keeps him around

feature, not bug

45 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:18:59pm

re: #43 windupbird is in the gravity well

(10h) Do not act the Good Samaritan to republicans in apparent gastric distress, e.g., at Grandma's Buffet or Applebees.

Nice.

46 Lidane  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:20:11pm

re: #44 windupbird is in the gravity well

which is why the NRO keeps him around

feature, not bug

Exactly. They're not going to fire Derbyshire. As soon as they do, he'll become a martyr for the wingnuts and called a victim of political correctness and black racism or some shit.

47 Kragar  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:20:25pm

I imagine Derbyshire misses the days of the Empire, where good English gentlemen took it upon themselves to civilize the savage Zulus and the rummy Punjabs.

48 Lidane  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:22:21pm

re: #47 Kragar

I imagine Derbyshire misses the days of the Empire, where good English gentlemen took it upon themselves to civilize the savage Zulus and the rummy Punjabs.

Derbyshire misses that mythical time where he imagines that he would have been a wealthy feudal lord with an army of peasants and slaves to do all the work for him.

49 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:23:28pm

Speaking of hateful bigots, MJ Rosenburg is leaving Media Matters.
Last Media Matters Column

This is my last column for Media Matters. As of Monday, I'm striking out on my own with a brand new website and blog: MJayRosenberg.com.

The reason for this step is that it disturbed me greatly to see an organization to which I am devoted facing possible harm because of my critical writings about Israel. I have no doubt that the crowd that opposes any and all criticism of Israeli government policies will continue to turn its guns on Media Matters if I am associated with it.

50 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:24:11pm

What would William F. Buckley have done?

51 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:25:10pm

re: #47 Kragar

I imagine Derbyshire misses the days of the Empire, where good English gentlemen took it upon themselves to civilize the savage Zulus and the rummy Punjabs.

...only to return home to the UK where curry has become the national dish. Stop the currification of the UK!

52 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:25:28pm

re: #50 Gus

What would William F. Buckley have done?

I couldn't hear you over the attempted threadjacking

53 freetoken  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:26:09pm

re: #50 Gus

What would William F. Buckley have done?

Buckley, for all his moderate-ness with respect to nut cases like the JBS, was not exactly MLK.

54 freetoken  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:27:23pm

re: #49 Killgore Trout

Are you trying to equate MJ Rosenberg with Derbyshire?

55 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:27:41pm

re: #53 freetoken

Buckley, for all his moderate-ness with respect to nut cases like the JBS, was not exactly MLK.

I know. Buckley's stuff from the 1950s and 60s was rather loathsome.

56 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:28:03pm

re: #52 windupbird is in the gravity well

I couldn't hear you over the attempted threadjacking

Socrates the Druid casts Funhouse Mirrors, now both sides are bad LOL.

57 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:28:41pm

re: #54 freetoken

Are you trying to equate MJ Rosenberg with Derbyshire?

I'm trying to show how organizations who care deal with people who tarnish their image.

58 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:29:31pm

I have to go check some things off of my "To Do" list.

Laters all.

59 Lidane  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:30:04pm

Also, this?

(10b) Stay out of heavily black neighborhoods.

Only proves that Derbyshire has no taste and that he's never been to the South. Heavily black neighborhoods will have great little restaurants that offer up the best soul food and Southern home cooking on the damn planet.

60 Kragar  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:30:44pm

re: #58 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

I have to go check some things off of my "To Do" list.

Laters all.

Say hi to Stacy for me.

61 freetoken  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:31:05pm

re: #57 Killgore Trout

I'm trying to show how organizations who care deal with people who tarnish their image.

In his piece, though, Rosenberg claims to have done this on his own, and it wasn't a move by MM.

62 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:32:25pm

re: #57 Killgore Trout

I'm trying to show how organizations who care deal with people who tarnish their image.

John Derbyshire will probably get a promotion, a raise, and a book deal. With possible appearances on Fox News or CNN seated next to Dana Loesch.

63 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:33:57pm

re: #61 freetoken

In his piece, though, Rosenberg claims to have done this on his own, and it wasn't a move by MM.

That's pretty standard. There was pressure for him to resign. Directly firing him helps feed his thesis that critics of Israel are blacklisted and silenced. That idea seems to be the theme of his new blog.

64 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:34:24pm

*slow pan to black person breathing a sigh of relief that MJ Rosenberg has left media matters, before being shot to death by police for possession of something that probably doesn't matter, at least he didn't get away*

65 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:35:43pm

re: #49 Killgore Trout

Speaking of hateful bigots, MJ Rosenburg is leaving Media Matters.
Last Media Matters Column

I knew you would post this.

66 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:35:55pm

re: #5 Kragar

This guy is a vile piece of shit:

Multiculturalism: When Will the Sleeper Wake?

Multiculturism, the evils of multiculturism, where have I heard that before.

Oh, yes. Breivik.

(I wish it was /)

67 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:36:40pm

Red Warrior needs FOOD badly!
Elf shot the FOOD!

68 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:37:21pm

re: #57 Killgore Trout

I'm trying to show how organizations who care deal with people who tarnish their image.

You mean, what should be done to Limbaugh, right?

69 freetoken  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:38:30pm

re: #63 Killgore Trout

Often times discretion calls for indirect guidance.

Anyway, I find Rosenberg, from what little I've read of him, to be a pretty classic case of a person who turns on a former belief/association with zeal that a third party would not have.

Sort of like Frank Schaeffer, who goes after fundamentalist Christians with aplomb; and while I am partly sympathetic with that, Frank adds that extra bit of zeal that a turned once-true-believer brings.

In like manner, Rosenberg's writings go along with his former association with AIPAC, as someone who has turned from the religion would do.

70 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:38:50pm

re: #67 goddamnedfrank

Red Warrior needs FOOD badly!
Elf shot the FOOD!

red warrior is now "it"

71 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:39:03pm

re: #68 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost

You mean, what should be done to Limbaugh, right?

I'll leave that decision up to his employers. If Fox wanted to be taken seriously they should clean house too. It's their choice.

72 freetoken  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:39:25pm

Derbyshire - well, he's just an over-educated racist.

73 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:39:41pm

re: #71 Killgore Trout

I'll leave that decision up to his employers. If Fox wanted to be taken seriously they should clean house too. It's their choice.

What does Fox have to do with this?

74 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:40:16pm

re: #68 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost

You mean, what should be done to Limbaugh, right?

I'll repeat what I said previously then:

Let's see what NRO does about John Derbyshire and what Alan Dershowitz does about his relationship with Joel Pollak who's running that stink hole known as Breitbart.com.

75 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:41:00pm

Trying to get to the contributors page, it's "not available" so I'm wondering if it's being scrubbed.

76 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:41:12pm

I have to sign off now for Passover. Here's a cute kitteh.

77 Shvaughn  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:41:17pm

re: #63 Killgore Trout

That's pretty standard. There was pressure for him to resign. Directly firing him helps feed his thesis that critics of Israel are blacklisted and silenced. That idea seems to be the theme of his new blog.

I missed your comments here condemning the pressure on MMFA regarding Rosenberg.

I'm sure you would have condemned it, though. Right?

78 Amory Blaine  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:42:03pm

They're hole sight is sloe.

79 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:42:14pm

re: #73 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost

What does Fox have to do with this?

They are anopther organization that needs to clean house. There are many other networks, magazines and groups that should clean house and get rid of the loons, extremists and haters.

80 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:42:17pm

re: #76 Learned Mother of Zion

I have to sign off now for Passover. Here's a cute kitteh.

Have a happy Passover. Or, er, a meaningful Passover. (Not sure which adjective applies.)

81 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:42:35pm

Nevermind, the site appears to be under some load atm...

82 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:42:53pm

re: #75 Randall Gross

Trying to get to the contributors page, it's "not available" so I'm wondering if it's being scrubbed.

Still loading here. Even on a Ctl + F5 but it's really slow.

83 b_sharp  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:43:02pm

re: #72 freetoken

Derbyshire - well, he's just an over-educated racist.

Who cherry picks his science to validate his disgusting views.

84 Lidane  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:43:14pm

re: #79 Killgore Trout

Faux News makes a lot of money off the loons, extremists, and haters. Why would they change? That's their target audience.

85 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:43:26pm

re: #79 Killgore Trout

They are anopther organization that needs to clean house. There are many other networks, magazines and groups that should clean house and get rid of the loons, extremists and haters.

Is Rush Limbaugh a hateful bigot?

86 Shvaughn  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:43:30pm

re: #79 Killgore Trout

They are anopther organization that needs to clean house. There are many other networks, magazines and groups that should clean house and get rid of the loons, extremists and haters.

But if anyone else SAYS they need to do this, especially by exerting economic or social pressure on them, it's wrong -- correct?

87 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:44:24pm

re: #77 Shvaughn

I missed your comments here condemning the pressure on MMFA regarding Rosenberg.

I'm sure you would have condemned it, though. Right?

Yes, I even opposed the effort to get Beck fired even though I was a very vocal critic. You shouldn't find this surprising that I don't support efforts to punish people for ideas I disagree with.

88 freetoken  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:45:59pm

Here, go listen to the March 23'rd Derbyshire audio show, at NRO:

[Link: radio.nationalreview.com...]

89 Shvaughn  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:46:40pm

re: #87 Killgore Trout

Yes, I even opposed the effort to get Beck fired even though I was a very vocal critic. You shouldn't find this surprising that I don't support efforts to punish people for ideas I disagree with.

But you just think their employers should punish them and fire them for the ideas you disagree with? That's what you call "cleaning house" right?

90 Amory Blaine  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:46:48pm

re: #88 freetoken

Here, go listen to the March 23'rd Derbyshire audio show, at NRO:

[Link: radio.nationalreview.com...]

Will there be a quiz?

91 Shvaughn  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:47:00pm

re: #88 freetoken

Here, go listen to the March 23'rd Derbyshire audio show, at NRO:

[Link: radio.nationalreview.com...]

Do I have to?

92 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:47:26pm

re: #69 freetoken

Often times discretion calls for indirect guidance.

Anyway, I find Rosenberg, from what little I've read of him, to be a pretty classic case of a person who turns on a former belief/association with zeal that a third party would not have.

Sort of like Frank Schaeffer, who goes after fundamentalist Christians with aplomb; and while I am partly sympathetic with that, Frank adds that extra bit of zeal that a turned once-true-believer brings.

In like manner, Rosenberg's writings go along with his former association with AIPAC, as someone who has turned from the religion would do.

I call it "the reformed smoker" effect...

93 freetoken  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:47:40pm

re: #90 Amory Blaine

Will there be a quiz?

re: #91 Shvaughn

Do I have to?

There will be cake.

94 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:48:05pm

re: #93 freetoken

re: #91 Shvaughn

There will be cake.

Cake is a lie.

95 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:48:09pm

re: #88 freetoken

Here, go listen to the March 23'rd Derbyshire audio show, at NRO:

[Link: radio.nationalreview.com...]

Nah.

96 Amory Blaine  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:48:23pm

Where've I heard that before..

97 Amory Blaine  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:49:28pm

re: #93 freetoken

re: #91 Shvaughn

There will be cake.

LOL I thought it said Radio Derp when I first opened it.

98 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:49:34pm

When someone who says hateful things gets fired I prefer it be due to the chaotic activation of random neurons in their employer's brain and not because of the employer's rational sense of self interest brought about by external economic pressure.

99 Interesting Times  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:50:33pm
100 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:51:05pm

Hey Sergey on a Toast, I was going to post that thing you linked for the other Ghost on the last thread over here, because it seems quite pertinent. Should I do that, or do you want to?

101 Interesting Times  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:51:28pm
102 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:51:33pm

re: #98 goddamnedfrank

When someone who says hateful things gets fired I prefer it be due to the chaotic firing of random neurons in their employer's brain and not because of the employer's rational sense of self interest brought about by external economic pressure.

Of course. If it were non-random firings, they would be caused by something. These causes would also be caused by something. And so ad infinitum. Where's free will in the picture? Only chaotic decisions represent the true freedom!//

103 Kragar  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:51:54pm

re: #99 Interesting Times

Its okay, Derbs says the arctic races are cool, its just the brown skinned people you need to watch out for.
/

104 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:51:55pm

re: #100 wrenchwench

What thing?

105 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:52:02pm

re: #99 Interesting Times

Wait for it!

John Derbyshire can't be a racist because he's married to a Chinese woman!!!! You're the real racists here!!!!

106 celticdragon  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:52:05pm

Let me take a look at this one...

(9) A small cohort of blacks—in my experience, around five percent—is ferociously hostile to whites and will go to great lengths to inconvenience or harm us. A much larger cohort of blacks—around half—will go along passively if the five percent take leadership in some event. They will do this out of racial solidarity, the natural willingness of most human beings to be led, and a vague feeling that whites have it coming.

Absolutely no social/anthroplogical data to back that up. File under "pulled it out of my ass".

(10) Thus, while always attentive to the particular qualities of individuals, on the many occasions where you have nothing to guide you but knowledge of those mean differences, use statistical common sense:

Actually, this is a simple survival trait developed over the last 700,000 years or so. We look for patterns so that we can anticipate what to do next. This should not be construed to support racism as Derb is doing, however...

(10a) Avoid concentrations of blacks not all known to you personally.

Huh? I have worked with and around, or shopped and socialized with Black people I did not know, or know well, for many years. This is a reality in America.

(10b) Stay out of heavily black neighborhoods.

Should be changed to "Stay out of neighborhoods with a high crime concentration.' I have seen African American neighborhoods where I knew I would be in trouble...and I have seen meth cookin' white neighborhoods where I knew I would be in trouble.

(10c) If planning a trip to a beach or amusement park at some date, find out whether it is likely to be swamped with blacks on that date (neglect of that one got me the closest I have ever gotten to death by gunshot).

Wow. I will just say that most so called "swamped with blacks" events are college events like A&T homecoming weekend in Greensboro or Orange Crush at Tybee Island in Georgia. I have noticed that locals in Palm Springs don't like the white college kids wrecking their town either. Maybe it has more to do with the age and maturity of college males.

(10d) Do not attend events likely to draw a lot of blacks.

*sigh* I have seen a riot before in Greensboro with black kids who found out a rap star was in the mall, and the mall got shut down. I have also seen white kids riot and burn police cars after a football game.

(10e) If you are at some public event at which the number of blacks suddenly swells, leave as quickly as possible.

Here we go again. Alright, I had friends at Magic Mountain Park in California about 20 years ago who noticed that many African American guests were starting to show up for a concert that night. They sensed the mood was getting ugly, and then some guy got up on a rock with a shotgun and began shooting in the air. They ran (sensibly) and security grabbed them and got them out. They saw SWAT vans with tactical teams showing up.

You know what? Similar things have happened at punk concerts and other venues as well. I have been physically threatened by African American men. I have also been physically threatened by drunk white college frat idiots. The frat boys frightened me more.

(10f) Do not settle in a district or municipality run by black politicians.

*spit* I got nothing for this one.

107 freetoken  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:52:32pm

I just thought you all would be interested in Derbyshire's equating of the nation of Israel with the various far-right parties in Europe, which he does in that podcast, somewhere into the 14 minute mark.

108 freetoken  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:52:50pm

But Jonah Goldberg would be shocked, I'm sure.

109 freetoken  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:53:55pm

Derbyshire then goes on to talk about the Martin case, incorrectly stating that Zimmerman was capt. of his neighborhood watch, etc.

110 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:56:18pm

re: #104 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost

What thing?

This thing.

111 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:56:28pm

Here's that list of contributors, quite a collection of scumbags, I've highlighted some of the more notorious ones who have all been discussed here in the past:

Joseph Allen
Brian Anderson
W. James Antle III
Lawrence Auster
Stephen Baskerville
Kevin Beary
T. R. Bennington
Brendan Bernhard
Conrad Black
Claus von Bohlen
Delphina Boncompagni Ludovisi
Christian Bonk
Alexander Boot
Emily Bracken
Austin Bramwell
Joe Bob Briggs
Peter Brimelow
Patrick J. Buchanan
C.W. Burgers
Maria Carraciola
John M. Clarke Jr.
Bruce Cochran
Michael Colhaze
Charles A. Coulombe
Sarah Couto
Richard Cummings
Andrew Cusack
Jeannie DeAngelis
Kevin DeAnna
John Derbyshire
Mark Derian
The Editors
Ken Eldib
Marcus Epstein
Edward E. Ericson Jr. & Alexis Klimoff
Nicholas Farrell
Dain Fitzgerald
Patrick J. Ford
Patrick Foy
Charles Glass
Jim Goad
Paul Gottfried
Kevin R. C. Gutzman
Mark Hackard
Leon Hadar
Dylan Hales
Grant Havers
Steve Henry
Richard Hoste
Jack Hunter
Brooks Huston
Jason Ivey
Kevin Jackson
James Jackson
James Kalb
Paul Kersey
Razib Khan
Brian Koenig
E Christian Kopff
Nina Kouprianova
DanielLarison
Edwin Leap
Colin Liddell
Scott Locklin
Suzanna Logan
Michael Mailer
Michelle Malkin
Robert Stacy McCain

Anthony McCarthy
Daniel McCarthy
Gavin McInnes
Allen Mendenhall
A. Millar
Kenneth Minogue
Kelse Moen
Bunky Mortimer
Patrick Moss
Fabrice Moussus
Andrew P. Napolitano
Andrei Navrozov
Andy Nowicki
Christina Oxenberg
Devika Patel
Mike Pauls
Mike Payne
Eric Phillips
Tom Piatak
Ramesh Ponnuru
Keith Preston
Justin Raimondo
Daniel Raisbeck
Jon Rappoport
Matthew Rarey
Scott Rasmussen
Elspeth Reeve
Helen Rittelmeyer
Christopher Roach
Paul Craig Roberts
Matthew Roberts
Darius Safavi
Steve Sailer
Jack Salem
Adnan Sarwar
Devin Reid Saucier
Tom Schlegel
Nick Scott
Marcus Scriven
Russell Seitz
Takuan Seiyo
Joy Setton
Kathy Shaidle
Matthew Sheahan
Guy Somerset
Richard Spencer
Timothy Stanley
Caleb Stegall
R.J. Stove
Pavel Stroilov
AndreavonStumm
Helen Szamuely
Taki
Takimag
Jared Taylor

B.P. Terpstra
Sterling T. Terrell
Taki Theodoracopulos
Mandolyna Theodoracopulos

Derek Turner
Malcolm Unwell
Michael Walsh
Walter Ward
Thomas Williams
Phil Williams
Thomas E. Woods Jr.
Tim Worstall
Paula Young Lee
John Zmirak

112 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:56:39pm

(10b) Stay out of heavily black neighborhoods.

Er, I LIVE here. YOU leave.

(10d) Do not attend events likely to draw a lot of blacks.

You're right. That Sweet Honey In The Rock concert was taking my life into my own hands. Not only were there a bazillion middle-aged black ladies, but many of them were wearing Afros and Southwestern jewelry.

(10e) If you are at some public event at which the number of blacks suddenly swells, leave as quickly as possible.

I don't think I have ever been at a public event at which the 'number of black has suddenly swelled'. I'm not even sure what that would look like.

(10f) Do not settle in a district or municipality run by black politicians.

Willie L. Brown Jr. IS too conservative for my taste at a municipal level, but that's not why I left San Francisco.

(10g) Before voting for a black politician, scrutinize his/her character much more carefully than you would a white.

Oh, just fuck you.

(10i) If accosted by a strange black in the street, smile and say something polite but keep moving.

As opposed to when I am accosted by strange whites on the street, whereupon I stop, and open my handbag a little, just to indicate that all's cool between us.

(11) The mean intelligence of blacks is much lower than for whites. The least intelligent ten percent of whites have IQs below 81; forty percent of blacks have IQs that low. Only one black in six is more intelligent than the average white; five whites out of six are more intelligent than the average black. These differences show in every test of general cognitive ability that anyone, of any race or nationality, has yet been able to devise. They are reflected in countless everyday situations. “Life is an IQ test.”

Did I say "Fuck you" yet?

113 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 4:57:50pm

re: #4 Obdicut

Holy crap. What a coward.

WIMP.

114 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:00:43pm
(10h) Do not act the Good Samaritan to blacks in apparent distress, e.g., on the highway.

Or in an ER waiting room.

115 freetoken  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:01:47pm

re: #114 goddamnedfrank

linky

116 abolitionist  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:02:08pm

re: #114 goddamnedfrank

linky borken

117 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:02:45pm

re: #116 abolitionist

linky borken

Fixed. Reload.

118 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:03:14pm

A link for those who might not recognize the A. Millar name

[Link: barthsnotes.com...]

119 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:04:02pm

re: #110 wrenchwench

Ah, you don't need my permission to link to Jon's post ;)

120 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:04:32pm

re: #117 goddamnedfrank

Fixed. Reload.

Bzzzt. From Snopes.

121 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:05:32pm

re: #120 Gus

Bzzzt. From Snopes.

Oops. Nevermind. Was thinking about something else.

122 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:05:56pm

re: #111 Randall Gross

There's a certain new poster here who has one of those highlighted names in her "Favorite Blogs" list at her website. She seems like a nice person otherwise. I hope she's taking notes and making a deletion....

123 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:07:05pm

re: #121 Gus

Oops. Nevermind. Was thinking about something else.

Still funny tho'.

124 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:09:02pm

re: #122 wrenchwench

Long ago before I was wiser, I linked to Gates of Vienna. The cross pollination between the GoV crowd, Brussell's Journal pukes, and Takimag crowd is pretty extensive.

125 b_sharp  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:12:32pm

re: #85 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost

Is Rush Limbaugh a hateful bigot?

If you re: #102 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost

Of course. If it were non-random firings, they would be caused by something. These causes would also be caused by something. And so ad infinitum. Where's free will in the picture? Only chaotic decisions represent the true freedom!//

Even chaotic synapsing has a cause.

126 celticdragon  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:13:10pm
(10g) Before voting for a black politician, scrutinize his/her character much more carefully than you would a white.

Concur with SanFransiscoZionist: Fuck you.

(10h) Do not act the Good Samaritan to blacks in apparent distress, e.g., on the highway.

Fuck you again, but with feeling!

(10i) If accosted by a strange black in the street, smile and say something polite but keep moving.

One morning a couple years ago I was at the veterans affairs office and I was wearing a nice, professional skirt suit and heels. A black man driving a truck stopped and he complemented my looks. I did not feel threatened, although it was something I had never experienced before. In fact, I was a little bit flattered. I can tell if a guy is getting creepy, and race has nothing to do with it.

(11) The mean intelligence of blacks is much lower than for whites. The least intelligent ten percent of whites have IQs below 81; forty percent of blacks have IQs that low. Only one black in six is more intelligent than the average white; five whites out of six are more intelligent than the average black. These differences show in every test of general cognitive ability that anyone, of any race or nationality, has yet been able to devise. They are reflected in countless everyday situations.;Life is an IQ test

Unbelievable that anybody would have the nerve to publish this kind of discredited crap in this day and age. Racial determinism has been repeatedly debunked (read Guns, Germs and Steel by Jared Diamond). Derb has jumped the shark this time.

Oh, and Fuck You, Derb.

127 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:13:31pm

re: #125 No Monkey Man (Born With a Banana in my Hand)

If you re: #102 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost

Even chaotic synapsing has a cause.

Pseudo-chaotic then! :P

128 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:13:53pm

From the top:

Often described as “libertarian,” TakiMag.com is in reality an extreme right, openly racist website, with a list of contributors that reads like a who’s who of white nationalists, white supremacists, and upper-class pseudo-intellectual bigots, including Pat Buchanan, Steve Sailer, Peter Brimelow, Richard Spencer, Jared Taylor, and of course, Robert Stacy McCain.

Ghost of a Sergey linked to this on the previous thread. It explains a lot about the vast overlap between libertarians and white racists, which surprises a lot of people. A tiny excerpt:

Rothbard was proud to be a 'racialist' because racialism exposed the true source of inequality in a free market, namely genetics. A belief in biological racial inequality was, for Rothbard, part of the libertarian project, because racial inequality was simply how markets reflected nature.

129 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:14:16pm
130 Shvaughn  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:15:53pm

re: #129 Charles Johnson

How cute.

131 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:16:07pm

The CCC digs the Derby

I SAY OL CHAP A JAUNTY TIP O THE NOOSE TO YOU!

132 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:16:31pm

These look like they all came from the same person.

133 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:17:48pm

re: #129 Charles Johnson

That racist SOB says this:

Honestly, I had forgotten this guy existed.

I'll bet he's here every freaking day, and follows you on Twitter, but has been consigned to the Global Filter.

134 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:18:52pm

Holy fucking shit.

(13) In that pool of forty million, there are nonetheless many intelligent and well-socialized blacks. (I’ll use IWSB as an ad hoc abbreviation.) You should consciously seek opportunities to make friends with IWSBs. In addition to the ordinary pleasures of friendship, you will gain an amulet against potentially career-destroying accusations of prejudice.

(14) Be aware, however, that there is an issue of supply and demand here. Demand comes from organizations and businesses keen to display racial propriety by employing IWSBs, especially in positions at the interface with the general public—corporate sales reps, TV news presenters, press officers for government agencies, etc.—with corresponding depletion in less visible positions. There is also strong private demand from middle- and upper-class whites for personal bonds with IWSBs, for reasons given in the previous paragraph and also (next paragraph) as status markers.

(15) Unfortunately the demand is greater than the supply, so IWSBs are something of a luxury good, like antique furniture or corporate jets: boasted of by upper-class whites and wealthy organizations, coveted by the less prosperous. To be an IWSB in present-day US society is a height of felicity rarely before attained by any group of human beings in history. Try to curb your envy: it will be taken as prejudice (see paragraph 13).

Making a note...I must call my IWSB friends and inform them that I have been underestimating them. Apparently they are not just random people I know, who occasionally ask me to dinner and send me cute cat pictures on Facebook. They are, in fact, a luxury status symbol, which I, by rights, should not be able to afford. It's like if a pair of Jimmy Choos decided to make friends with me. I should pick up the check more often--or maybe they should. After all, they are enjoying 'a height of felicity rarely before attained by any group of human beings in history', which must mean that they're rich, even if they happen to be fourth-grade teachers and graduate students and such.

Also, I wonder if this Yahoo has any IWSB friends of his own. If they stop returning his calls after this, he'll probably assume they've been poached by a higher-status white.

135 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:19:23pm

re: #133 wrenchwench

always pretending to forget, it's a sad thing when the brain goes :D

136 Kragar  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:20:53pm

re: #132 Charles Johnson

These look like they all came from the same person.

A quick google shows even the Vanguard crowd dislikes Wallace.

137 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:21:02pm

re: #3 samuraishake

I will bet money that he lives in a nearly all-white gated suburb.

The thing about John Derbyshire is that he's actually not a White Supremacist. His wife is entirely Han Chinese and thus his two children are mixed race. His racism is much more what I call "Hierarchical Racism": A racism that puts East Asians and West Europeans at the top of the pyramid, and Sub-Saharan Africans at the bottom.

Such racism is just as morally wrong as White Supremacism, but it normally rests on pseudo-scientific foundations (it normally does not have a religious character) and it has a smaller target list. Still, it is entirely evil.

138 jaunte  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:21:51pm

re: #134 SanFranciscoZionist

"Amulets", F.F.S.

139 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:22:36pm

Something tells me Derbyshire wanted us all to discuss him. That makes him one of the bigger trolls out there.

140 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:24:29pm

Some of the comments are pretty good:

I'm going to print this out and save it for when my little girl is old enough to have "the talk" with...
I'm just going to make one small change, I'm going to exchange "blacks" with "Red Sox fans".
I mean, as a Yankee fan who spent a few years living among THOSE people up in boston, I can tell you they are absolute savages.
I just pray my daughter never brings one home.

141 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:25:03pm

it is good to know that John Derbyshire is a total chickenshit :D

RUN FOR YOUR LIVES, IT'S A BLACK PERSON

142 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:25:08pm

re: #134 SanFranciscoZionist

And right here, folks, we have a racist openly talking about how to deflect (just and accurate) accusations of racism. Know The Enemy.

143 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:25:50pm

re: #137 Dark_Falcon

Still, it is entirely evil.

The rest is irrelevant, no? They had to explain why the strictly white people were being beat out for spots at the University of California campuses, plus be able to marry the hot ones. All part of pretending to be scientific. You will find more and more fudging of 'facts' as needed.

144 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:26:32pm

re: #139 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost

Something tells me Derbyshire wanted us all to discuss him. That makes him one of the bigger trolls out there.

honestly, if it gets the message out that racism is mainstream conservative thought in America now, i'm all for it!

If Derbyshire wins some hits, and the GOP loses some seats, that's a win column :D

145 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:26:59pm

re: #137 Dark_Falcon

The thing about John Derbyshire is that he's actually not a White Supremacist. His wife is entirely Han Chinese and thus his two children are mixed race. His racism is much more what I call "Hierarchical Racism": A racism that puts East Asians and West Europeans at the top of the pyramid, and Sub-Saharan Africans at the bottom.

Such racism is just as morally wrong as White Supremacism, but it normally rests on pseudo-scientific foundations (it normally does not have a religious character) and it has a smaller target list. Still, it is entirely evil.

Including Asians on the 'acceptables' list is fairly common, like Jews and Italians and the Irish, they've started to slide under the radar.

And along with the pseudo-science comes the smug pseudo-sophistication.

146 nickzi  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:27:35pm

If anyone manages to bring about a race war, it will be the rabid bigots like Derbyshire. I notice that the eternal hypocrite Andrew Sullivan has tut-tutted while carefully not mentioning his own agreement with Derbyshire on The Bell Curve, let alone Derbyshire's years of grotesque racist buffoonery.

147 b_sharp  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:28:28pm

re: #131 windupbird is in the gravity well

The CCC digs the Derby

I SAY OL CHAP A JAUNTY TIP O THE NOOSE TO YOU!

Race realist, is that what they're calling it now?

148 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:28:36pm

re: #137 Dark_Falcon

The thing about John Derbyshire is that he's actually not a White Supremacist. His wife is entirely Han Chinese and thus his two children are mixed race. His racism is much more what I call "Hierarchical Racism": A racism that puts East Asians and West Europeans at the top of the pyramid, and Sub-Saharan Africans at the bottom.

Such racism is just as morally wrong as White Supremacism, but it normally rests on pseudo-scientific foundations (it normally does not have a religious character) and it has a smaller target list. Still, it is entirely evil.

You're probably right. Derby seems to believe in a largely genetic nature of the interracial IQ gap. And in this he is not in step with science.

After the Bell Curve was published, APA published this report summarizing mainstream views on intelligence, in which they wrote about the gap:

[Link: www.gifted.uconn.edu...]

African American IQ scores have long averaged about 15 points below those of Whites, with correspondingly lower scores on academic achievement tests. In recent years the achievement-test gap has narrowed appreciably. It is possible that the IQ-score differential is narrowing as well, but this has not been clearly established. The cause of that differential is not known; it is apparently not due to any simple form of bias in the content or administration of the tests themselves. The Flynn effect shows that environmental factors can produce differences of at least this magnitude, but that effect is mysterious in its own right. Several culturally-based explanations of the Black/White IQ differential have been proposed; some are plausible, but so far none has been conclusively supported. There is even less empirical support for a genetic interpretation. In short, no adequate explanation of the differential between the IQ means of Blacks and Whites is presently available

Moreover, new research indicates the gap is closing:

[Link: www.brookings.edu...]

It is often asserted that blacks have made no IQ gains on whites, despite relative environmental gains, and that this adds credibility to the case that the black/white IQ gap has genetic origins. Until recently, there have been no adequate data to measure black IQ trends. We analyze data from nine standardization samples for four major tests of cognitive ability. These suggest that blacks have gained 5 or 6 IQ points on non-Hispanic whites between 1972 and 2002. Gains have been fairly uniform across the entire range of black cognitive ability.

But he would probably dismiss this as a politically correct conspiracy.

149 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:29:05pm

re: #142 Dark_Falcon

And right here, folks, we have a racist openly talking about how to deflect (just and accurate) accusations of racism. Know The Enemy.

I've discussed from time to time starting a non-sexual escort service that will provide you with black friends you can have around as insurance for when you get caught saying something totally racist.

I could make a fortune. I just don't know if I can find that many IWSBs who also have no conscience and no self-respect.

150 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:31:49pm

From the comments: You didn't even mention the time a black tried to steal your horse and buggy.

151 b_sharp  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:32:47pm

re: #137 Dark_Falcon

The thing about John Derbyshire is that he's actually not a White Supremacist. His wife is entirely Han Chinese and thus his two children are mixed race. His racism is much more what I call "Hierarchical Racism": A racism that puts East Asians and West Europeans at the top of the pyramid, and Sub-Saharan Africans at the bottom.

Such racism is just as morally wrong as White Supremacism, but it normally rests on pseudo-scientific foundations (it normally does not have a religious character) and it has a smaller target list. Still, it is entirely evil.

He's "Bell Curve"er, a completely debunked ideology.

152 Shvaughn  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:32:59pm

The Tucson Citizen has shut down the Three Sonorans blog, which provided some of the best blogging on the shutdown of the Mexican American studies programs at TUSD.

153 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:34:00pm

Another comment: I was the only white boy in a Detroit Public school. So please, believe me when I try to impress upon you folks what utter, invertebrate cowardice it takes to become this fearful of black people. What shame Derbs brings upon himself, and also to his sons who now have been outed as having been raised to be racists. And some of the other commenters...wow, what contemptuous wimps! Being afraid of black people doesn't say anything about black people, it only says something about you. Namely, that you are weak of both mind and spine, and that you live in fear because you understand your own weakness at a visceral level.

154 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:34:42pm
155 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:35:07pm

re: #153 SanFranciscoZionist

Being afraid of black people doesn't say anything about black people, it only says something about you.

Repeated because ,, well ,, it needs to be ,, OFTEN

156 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:35:34pm

Sure enough. The haters defend their hate with hate here and here.

157 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:35:57pm

re: #154 steve_davis

The Russians are basically Vikings that mated with feral dogs and then had the babies carried to term by the Whore of Babylon.

Fuck you too.

158 nickzi  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:36:03pm

re: #149 SanFranciscoZionist

Allen West, Alan Keyes, Lloyd Marcus... that's three right there.

159 Lidane  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:36:08pm

re: #112 SanFranciscoZionist

Did I say "Fuck you" yet?

It should be said to Derbyshire as often as possible. With bells, whistles, and flashing neon lights for added effect.

He's a racist tool. Fuck him.

160 celticdragon  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:36:17pm

re: #150 SanFranciscoZionist

From the comments: You didn't even mention the time a black tried to steal your horse and buggy.

Also didn't mention how Senator Jesse Helms showed me how blacks where stealing my job...

///

161 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:36:29pm

Agnosticus writes: Anyone with a daughter should add one more point to "the talk". Black men are more sexually agressive than white men. I am not talking about rape, but about the attitude that women are seen as conquests, not as people. And this is more true if the woman is not black. And if the woman gets pregnant, black men are more likely to tell her she is on her own.

HRyan responds: And they have giant penises, too! It's so cool.

162 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:37:21pm

re: #158 nickzi

Allen West, Alan Keyes, Lloyd Marcus... that's three right there.

Larry Elder!

163 celticdragon  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:37:47pm

re: #154 steve_davis

Uh, I know you are trying to be sarcastic to make a point, but you may want to rethink those comments...

164 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:38:05pm

re: #154 steve_davis

W,,,
T,,,,
F,,,

Started the weekend drinking early, huh !?!?

165 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:38:08pm

re: #152 Shvaughn

The Tucson Citizen has shut down the Three Sonorans blog, which provided some of the best blogging on the shutdown of the Mexican American studies programs at TUSD.

That sucks. It was the best thing they had.

166 nickzi  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:38:21pm

re: #162 windupbird is in the gravity well

Well, looks like this business model might just be viable.

Oh, and Michael Steele also too.

167 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:38:44pm

re: #154 steve_davis

Russia? This guy thinks Russia is an example of "Arctic" ethnic conditioning? The Russians are basically Vikings that mated with feral dogs and then had the babies carried to term by the Whore of Babylon. And really, I mean that in the nicest way possible, but anyone who thinks that the ethnic stew known as Russia is an example of Aryan purity is just completely unfamiliar with its history of having been overrun a dozen times by different ethnic groups.

Dumb.

168 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:38:50pm

re: #158 nickzi

Allen West, Alan Keyes, Lloyd Marcus... that's three right there.

Shelby Steele.

169 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:39:09pm

re: #167 Gus

That would be the best case scenario, yes.

170 Shvaughn  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:39:21pm

re: #165 wrenchwench

That sucks. It was the best thing they had.

More about it here:

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Apparently criticism from Daniel Patterson (who I used to respect) and his threat of a lawsuit contributed.

171 b_sharp  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:39:41pm

re: #148 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost

You're probably right. Derby seems to believe in a largely genetic nature of the interracial IQ gap. And in this he is not in step with science.

After the Bell Curve was published, APA published this report summarizing mainstream views on intelligence, in which they wrote about the gap:

Moreover, new research indicates the gap is closing:

But he would probably dismiss this as a politically correct conspiracy.

The increase is far too fast to be genetic (1972 - 2002), but it is in line with expected cultural, social, and even nutritional effects.

The Bell Curvers are once again shown to be gullible idiots.

172 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:39:57pm

re: #169 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost

That would be the best case scenario, yes.

You know me. Ever the diplomat. ;)

173 nickzi  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:40:12pm

re: #168 wrenchwench

I can't believe no-one mentioned the Hermanator yet!

Crappy Pizza Mogul Man for the premium elite bigot-consolation service!

174 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:40:12pm

re: #143 wrenchwench

The rest is irrelevant, no? They had to explain why the strictly white people were being beat out for spots at the University of California campuses, plus be able to marry the hot ones. All part of pretending to be scientific. You will find more and more fudging of 'facts' as needed.

No, the nature of his racism is relevant. There are many good tactics to counter racists, but most of them are only usable on certain variants of racist. You can't use the the religion based arguments used to smack aside "Christian Identity" White Supremacists to take down Hierarchical Racists like Derbyshire, because their racism is not based on religion. They also don't hate as many people as a White Supremacist does, so you you need to know which ethnic groups they will trot out as a shield against your charge of racism.

You always need to understand how your foe fights and what he wants. If you honestly fight against racism, you are fighting on the side of God and Righteousness. You therefore should make sure you fight with maximum effectiveness.

175 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:40:17pm

re: #168 wrenchwench

Shelby Steele.

Remember when he said Obama couldn't win? :D


lol

176 b_sharp  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:41:16pm

re: #153 SanFranciscoZionist

Another comment: I was the only white boy in a Detroit Public school. So please, believe me when I try to impress upon you folks what utter, invertebrate cowardice it takes to become this fearful of black people. What shame Derbs brings upon himself, and also to his sons who now have been outed as having been raised to be racists. And some of the other commenters...wow, what contemptuous wimps! Being afraid of black people doesn't say anything about black people, it only says something about you. Namely, that you are weak of both mind and spine, and that you live in fear because you understand your own weakness at a visceral level.

That is brilliant.

177 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:42:45pm

re: #154 steve_davis

Russia? This guy thinks Russia is an example of "Arctic" ethnic conditioning? The Russians are basically Vikings that mated with feral dogs and then had the babies carried to term by the Whore of Babylon. And really, I mean that in the nicest way possible, but anyone who thinks that the ethnic stew known as Russia is an example of Aryan purity is just completely unfamiliar with its history of having been overrun a dozen times by different ethnic groups.

Ummmm....can we try to discuss the general lack of 'racial purity' in this world without insulting Russians?

178 steve_davis  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:42:50pm

re: #157 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost

Fuck you too.

oh come on....are you completely unable to recognize that I was being intentionally completely over the top? The point wasn't to make any actual statement about the origins of Russians, except to point out how ludicrous it is for someone spouting racial purity to offer what is probably the single most ethnically diverse melting pot in Eurasia as an example of a group that will "probably" survive a coming race war.

179 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:43:10pm

re: #158 nickzi

Allen West, Alan Keyes, Lloyd Marcus... that's three right there.

Yeah, but they don't need the money, either.

180 celticdragon  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:43:17pm

re: #174 Dark_Falcon

No, the nature of his racism is relevant. There are many good tactics to counter racists, but most of them are only usable on certain variants of racist. You can't use the the religion based arguments used to smack aside "Christian Identity" White Supremacists to take down Hierarchical Racists like Derbyshire, because their racism is not based on religion. They also don't hate as many people as a White Supremacist does, so you you need to know which ethnic groups they will trot out as a shield against your charge of racism.

You always need to understand how your foe fights and what he wants. If you honestly fight against racism, you are fighting on the side of God and Righteousness. You therefore should make sure you fight with maximum effectiveness.

This.

Repeated for truth.

181 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:43:54pm

re: #177 SanFranciscoZionist

Ummm...can we try to discuss the general lack of 'racial purity' in this world without insulting Russians? ANYONE

:)

182 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:43:57pm

re: #154 steve_davis

Please take your bigoted insults with you on a long walk off a short pier.

183 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:44:01pm

re: #174 Dark_Falcon

You always need to understand how your foe fights and what he wants. If you honestly fight against racism, you are fighting on the side of God and Righteousness. You therefore should make sure you fight with maximum effectiveness.

I appreciate the sentiment, but I'm an atheist. And I worry about giving their pseudo-science credibility by taking it seriously.

184 celticdragon  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:44:38pm

re: #178 steve_davis

oh come on...are you completely unable to recognize that I was being intentionally completely over the top? The point wasn't to make any actual statement about the origins of Russians, except to point out how ludicrous it is for someone spouting racial purity to offer what is probably the single most ethnically diverse melting pot in Eurasia as an example of a group that will "probably" survive a coming race war.

Yes, I could tell you were being "over the top" for effect. It still didn't work well.

185 celticdragon  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:45:23pm

Gotta run. See ya later.

186 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:46:14pm

Classic. 'justdanny' pops up on Twitter playing the victim and pretending I banned him for no reason, and telling me to remove the hat tips I gave him.

Here's why he was banned:

Then he posts this:

Good grief. He talks about fighting a violent revolution, gets banned for it, then calls me "hostile." Man, I'll never understand the way these people think.

187 nickzi  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:46:28pm

re: #181 sattv4u2

We can't even laugh at Derbyshire, Sullivan and Charles Murray? The Three Amigos Blancos?

188 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:46:34pm

re: #178 steve_davis

I am able to recognize that you were over the top. Nevertheless, mind what you're saying. Postulating origins of a whole people as a result of mating with dogs should be an obvious no-no in this day and age, even as a joke.

189 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:47:08pm
190 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:47:50pm

re: #178 steve_davis

oh come on...are you completely unable to recognize that I was being intentionally completely over the top? The point wasn't to make any actual statement about the origins of Russians, except to point out how ludicrous it is for someone spouting racial purity to offer what is probably the single most ethnically diverse melting pot in Eurasia as an example of a group that will "probably" survive a coming race war.

No being over the top is saying that Russians the hardiest separate hearts, are all super tall and have organs the rest of us couldn't even spell let alone name the function of, and fight with swords whose edges spin like chainsaws and guns whose bullets explode after they hit people while riding giant wolves.

191 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:48:24pm

re: #187 nickzi

We can't even laugh at Derbyshire, Sullivan and Charles Murray? The Three Amigos Blancos?

Laugh AT,, sure

Insult ,, why !?!?!

192 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:48:39pm

re: #190 jamesfirecat

No being over the top is saying that Russians the hardiest separate hearts, are all super tall and have organs the rest of us couldn't even spell let alone name the function of, and fight with swords whose edges spin like chainsaws and guns whose bullets explode after they hit people while riding giant wolves.

The truth cannot be over the top! NEVER! ///

193 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:48:52pm

re: #186 Charles Johnson

Classic. 'justdanny' pops up on Twitter playing the victim and pretending I banned him for no reason, and telling me to remove the hat tips I gave him.

Here's why he was banned:

Then he posts this:

Good grief. He talks about fighting a violent revolution, gets banned for it, then calls me "hostile." Man, I'll never understand the way these people think.

I saw that. Talk about a two minute massive-depressive mood swing before ones very eyes. Or highly passive-aggressive. And it was far more than one Tweet. Yikes.

194 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:49:18pm

re: #154 steve_davis

I get that you were being sarcastic, but I'm deleting the comment because it's way too easy for something like that to be taken the wrong way.

195 Lidane  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:49:21pm

re: #191 sattv4u2

Because Derbyshire is obviously a weak, spineless, racist fuckwit?

I'd say that opens him up to being insulted on an hourly basis, and loudly.

196 makeitstop  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:49:54pm

Come on, everyone - it was satire!!
///

197 b_sharp  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:50:32pm

re: #178 steve_davis

oh come on...are you completely unable to recognize that I was being intentionally completely over the top? The point wasn't to make any actual statement about the origins of Russians, except to point out how ludicrous it is for someone spouting racial purity to offer what is probably the single most ethnically diverse melting pot in Eurasia as an example of a group that will "probably" survive a coming race war.

You stuck your foot in it. Just admit it and apologize.

198 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:51:01pm

re: #183 wrenchwench

I appreciate the sentiment, but I'm an atheist. And I worry about giving their pseudo-science credibility by taking it seriously.

You are only taking it seriously for the purposes of rebutting it. You don't need to be drawn into an extended debate with assholes like that, but treating them as if they were all alike runs the risk of making a mistake and giving them an opening to accurately call you out as mistaken on a factual point. And being shown as wrong will make you look bad and give them an opportunity to push their bigotry onto the gullible.

Again: If you fight for a good cause, it is your duty to ensure you fight well. Allowing yourself to fail is doing the cause a disservice. Failing To Prepare Is Preparing To Fail.

199 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:51:49pm

ABL is having fun with this. Or as much fun as one can have:

[Find an IWSB aka "a starter Negro," make him or her your friend, and never let go! If you feel up to it, ask for a photo of your starter Negro so that you can wear it in a locket around your neck. Ideally, you would be featured in the photo with your starter Negro so that there will be proof that you have taken a picture with at least one black person. When someone accuses you of being racist, show the accuser a picture of you and your Black Friend. The accuser will immediately be appeased, and likely become your Second Black Friend. Soon you'll be stacking up Black Friends like paper. -ed.]

200 b_sharp  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:51:56pm

re: #183 wrenchwench

I appreciate the sentiment, but I'm an atheist. And I worry about giving their pseudo-science credibility by taking it seriously.

Then load up on the real science, so your weapon is always loaded.

201 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:52:06pm

DAMN POLITICAL CORRECTNESS!!! *shakes fist*

///

202 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:53:02pm

re: #195 Lidane

Because Derbyshire is obviously a weak, spineless, racist fuckwit?

I'd say that opens him up to being insulted on an hourly basis, and loudly.

Well ,, if it makes you feel better,,

Me ,, not so much. I'll just leave his 'obvious" faults stand for what they are

203 Lidane  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:53:53pm

OK. I clearly missed an acronym somewhere. What does IWSB stand for?

204 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:54:15pm

re: #203 Lidane

OK. I clearly missed an acronym somewhere. What does IWSB stand for?

I Want Some Bacon

205 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:54:19pm

re: #199 SanFranciscoZionist

ABL is having fun with this. Or as much fun as one can have:

[Find an IWSB aka "a starter Negro," make him or her your friend, and never let go! If you feel up to it, ask for a photo of your starter Negro so that you can wear it in a locket around your neck. Ideally, you would be featured in the photo with your starter Negro so that there will be proof that you have taken a picture with at least one black person. When someone accuses you of being racist, show the accuser a picture of you and your Black Friend. The accuser will immediately be appeased, and likely become your Second Black Friend. Soon you'll be stacking up Black Friends like paper. -ed.]

Works for Stephen Colbert...

206 Shvaughn  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:54:27pm

re: #203 Lidane

OK. I clearly missed an acronym somewhere. What does IWSB stand for?

It's in Derbyshire's racist rant.

207 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:54:51pm

re: #201 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost

DAMN POLITICAL CORRECTNESS!!! *shakes fist*

///

detoxing, are ya!?!?!
//

208 Lidane  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:54:54pm

re: #206 Shvaughn

It's in Derbyshire's racist rant.

Ah. Guess I'd better put on the waders and slog through it again.

209 Shvaughn  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:55:15pm

re: #203 Lidane

OK. I clearly missed an acronym somewhere. What does IWSB stand for?

This:

(13) In that pool of forty million, there are nonetheless many intelligent and well-socialized blacks. (I’ll use IWSB as an ad hoc abbreviation.)

210 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:56:02pm

re: #207 sattv4u2

detoxing, are ya!?!?!
//

Signaling my contact in the US. //

211 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:57:29pm

OT

eh ,,,, I better put out a suicide watch for a close friend of mine

HUGE New York Yankee fan

Opening day today ,, the "Great Rivera" blew a save!!

212 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:59:03pm

re: #186 Charles Johnson

Classic. 'justdanny' pops up on Twitter playing the victim and pretending I banned him for no reason, and telling me to remove the hat tips I gave him.

Here's why he was banned:

Then he posts this:

Good grief. He talks about fighting a violent revolution, gets banned for it, then calls me "hostile." Man, I'll never understand the way these people think.

It reminds me of the area code episode of The Simpsons:

Troll on Twitter: The worst thing about how Chuckles banned me is that he did it without one word of warning.

Dark_Falcon: The Hell you say! How about all those posts of yours he deleted and told you not say something in that vein again?

WindUpBird: LOL You couldn't have missed the warning on every thread that says that advocating violence is cause for an immediate ban.

Sergey Romanov: What about the time-out and final caution Charles gave you two weeks before he blocked you? Didn't that catch you attention?

Troll on Twitter: Not one word of warning.

213 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 5:59:58pm

re: #148 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost

You're probably right. Derby seems to believe in a largely genetic nature of the interracial IQ gap. And in this he is not in step with science.

After the Bell Curve was published, APA published this report summarizing mainstream views on intelligence, in which they wrote about the gap:

Moreover, new research indicates the gap is closing:

But he would probably dismiss this as a politically correct conspiracy.

What's interesting about that last excerpt is that if you believe that IQ tests are actually valid (i.e., that they measure a singular attribute called "intelligence" that is genetically inherited) it should theoretically be impossible for blacks to close the gap in IQ testing. Not only does the evidence of a closing gap expose racist theories, it also exposes the weakness of IQ testing.

214 b_sharp  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:01:20pm

re: #204 sattv4u2

I Want Some Bacon

In your case - I Wear Stinky Bacon.

215 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:02:20pm

re: #213 Talking Point Detective

I don't believe definition of IQ testing includes genetic inheritance. Thus I don't see how your conclusion follows.

216 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:02:28pm

re: #214 No Monkey Man (Born With a Banana in my Hand)

In your case - I Wear Stinky Bacon.

You're just jealous because of the pack of dogs I've got following me!!

217 Lidane  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:02:42pm

So I started trying to read the comments over at the original article and had to quit as soon as I got to a shining paragon of intellect talking about his high school experience among "American negroes". I could feel my brain cells staging a mutiny, so I backed off.

Sweet zombie Jesus there are a bunch of stupid, racist motherfuckers in this country.

218 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:03:32pm

re: #216 sattv4u2

You're just jealous because of the pack of dogs I've got following me!!

Been playing Skyrim again, huh?

219 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:03:58pm

re: #218 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost

Been playing Skyrim again, huh?

Not yet

I'm still trying to master PONG

220 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:04:21pm

re: #218 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost

or

221 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:04:45pm

re: #218 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost

Been playing Skyrim again, huh?

is that what you kids are calling it nowadays

222 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:05:03pm

re: #219 sattv4u2

Not yet

I'm still trying to master PONG

Then you would have balls always following you.

Ohwait...///

223 Kragar  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:05:19pm

re: #218 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost

Been playing Skyrim again, huh?

I was playing it, but then I took an arrow to the mouse.

224 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:05:40pm

re: #203 Lidane

OK. I clearly missed an acronym somewhere. What does IWSB stand for?

Intelligent Well-Socialized Black.

Their price is above rubies, apparently. Everyone should have one, but there aren't enough to go around.

225 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:05:52pm

re: #210 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost

Signaling my contact in the US. //

Signal acquired! Took a while to get through the Atlantic Ocean wires.

//

226 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:06:31pm

Another good comment: John, it might be dangerous for you to be around groups of black people. I get that. Has it occurred to you that groups of white people might want to beat you, as well? I think the key, for you, would be just keep moving and don't speak to anyone.

227 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:07:02pm

re: #222 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost

Then you would have balls always following you.

Ohwait...///

The day we got one of our dogs neutered

Took the little guy home

He went to lick the family jewels ,,, he looked up at me with a WTF expression on his face

228 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:07:49pm

re: #225 Gus

Signal acquired! Took a while to get through the Atlantic Ocean wires.

//

You shake your fist
I shake my fist
It's been this way since forever
So if you shake your fist
And I shake my fist
Why don't we shake fists together?

//

229 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:08:32pm

re: #228 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost

You shake your fist
I shake my fist
It's been this way since forever
So if you shake your fist
And I shake my fist
Why don't we shake fists together?

//

Shouldn't he at least take you to dinner and a movie 1st?

230 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:09:05pm

And now, Dan Riehl weighs in:

231 Sophia77  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:09:12pm

This guy writes for The National Review?

Good lord.

232 Charleston Chew  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:11:35pm

After reading

Do not act the Good Samaritan to blacks in apparent distress...

I, too, am starting to have

a vague feeling that whites have it coming.

233 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:11:35pm

re: #229 sattv4u2

234 Lidane  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:12:34pm

re: #231 Sophia77

This guy writes for The National Review?

Good lord.

More to the point, he's been writing for National Review since 2000.

Says a lot about their editorial standards, IMO.

235 jaunte  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:13:04pm

re: #203 Lidane

OK. I clearly missed an acronym somewhere. What does IWSB stand for?

Amulets, if you want just one word.

236 b_sharp  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:13:53pm

re: #215 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost

I don't believe definition of IQ testing includes genetic inheritance. Thus I don't see how your conclusion follows.

I idea of intelligence being inherited, not the IQ test.

If intelligence is considered strictly inherited, then an improvement on putative tests for intelligence that occurred faster than genetic changes can be made in a population debunks that idea.

237 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:14:07pm

re: #215 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost

I don't believe definition of IQ testing includes genetic inheritance. Thus I don't see how your conclusion follows.

Theoretically, IQ testing is supposed to measure an inherited attribute (as opposed to something that is environmentally influenced), and thus the argument that lower (group) IQ scores must measure (racial) genetic inferiority. But that theory is fucked up in a lot of ways.

238 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:14:27pm

re: #236 No Monkey Man (Born With a Banana in my Hand)

No, TPD says this somehow discredits IQ testing as such.

239 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:15:11pm

re: #236 No Monkey Man (Born With a Banana in my Hand)

I idea of intelligence being inherited, not the IQ test.

If intelligence is considered strictly inherited, then an improvement on putative tests for intelligence that occurred faster than genetic changes can be made in a population debunks that idea.

The operative word being putative.

240 b_sharp  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:16:26pm

re: #216 sattv4u2

You're just jealous because of the pack of dogs I've got following me!!

Yes, those are some sexy female dogs.

241 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:16:27pm

re: #231 Sophia77

This guy writes for The National Review?

Good lord.

Not for much longer, hopefully. He should get the boot for this one, and he actually might.

242 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:16:34pm

re: #237 Talking Point Detective

Theoretically, IQ testing is supposed to measure an inherited attribute (as opposed to something that is environmentally influenced)

No. The debate is exactly about how much the IQ score is environmental and how much not. Flynn accepts IQ testing yet doesn't think IQ is all inherited (hey, he was the guy who discovered the Flynn effect after all). Actually, read the Knowns and Unknowns paper, it explains this well.

243 Lidane  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:18:09pm

re: #241 Dark_Falcon

Not for much longer, hopefully. He should get the boot for this one, and he actually might.

I doubt it. The moment he gets fired by NRO, he becomes a wingnut martyr who fell bravely in battle against the forces of multiculturalism and political correctness, with the requisite book deal and Faux News gig to follow.

244 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:18:17pm

re: #230 Charles Johnson

And now, Dan Riehl weighs in:

One derivative asshat's shout-out to another derivative asshat. Lame.

245 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:19:05pm

re: #243 Lidane

I doubt it. The moment he gets fired by NRO, he becomes a wingnut martyr who fell bravely in battle against the forces of multiculturalism and political correctness, with the requisite book deal and Faux News gig to follow.

Fine. Let him have his Martyr Cookie. Just get rid of that asshole.

246 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:20:25pm

re: #242 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost

No. The debate is exactly about how much the IQ score is environmental and how much not. Flynn accepts IQ testing yet doesn't think IQ is all inherited (hey, he was the guy who discovered the Flynn effect after all). Actually, read the Knowns and Unknowns paper, it explains this well.

re: #242 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost

No. The debate is exactly about how much the IQ score is environmental and how much not. Flynn accepts IQ testing yet doesn't think IQ is all inherited (hey, he was the guy who discovered the Flynn effect after all). Actually, read the Knowns and Unknowns paper, it explains this well.

If you think that an IQ score is environmentally influenced (of course it is), then either you think that IQ tests are not a valid measure of intelligence, or you think that intelligence is not an inherited attribute.

247 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:24:40pm

Woah. The nuts are really raging tonight on Twitter. Derbyshire's meltdown is pushing them over the edge.

248 Interesting Times  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:25:14pm
249 Lidane  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:25:39pm

re: #224 SanFranciscoZionist

Intelligent Well-Socialized Black.

Their price is above rubies, apparently. Everyone should have one, but there aren't enough to go around.

Is that Derbyshire's version of the Magic Negro? WTF.

250 Lidane  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:27:48pm

re: #248 Interesting Times

Seriously. It was founded on racism, so featuring a racist writer? Not new or unexpected.

The only difference is that Derbyshire clearly decided that being vague was no one's friend, figuring that he'd out himself as a white supremacist.

251 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:28:42pm

re: #249 Lidane

Is that Derbyshire's version of the Magic Negro? WTF.

Essentially, yes. However, "the Magical Negro is typically but not always "in some way outwardly or inwardly disabled, either by discrimination, disability or social constraint," often a janitor or prisoner." The IWSB is wildly successful, because of affirmative action and, you know, how those people get everything handed to them.

(D-bag's link for the amazing 'felicity' of the IWSB leads simply to a picture and bio of Barack Obama.)

252 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:28:56pm

re: #246 Talking Point Detective

Sorry, not getting your logic. The IQ tests test for an ostensible measure of intelligence. It can be debated if they do it well or if it makes sense to talk about a single measure of intelligence, etc., etc. - these are separate topics. But all they do is determine this measure, "IQ".

This testing is independent from whether or not intelligence is wholly inherited (and I don't know any prominent "determinist" who would take such an extreme position), or if the genetic factor dominates (this is the mainstream position of the likes of Derbyshire) or if the environmental factor dominates, or whether there is no genetic factor at all.

I.e. your argument that these results cast doubt on IQ testing as such is invalid.

253 Interesting Times  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:30:08pm

blueraven, if you're still around, you might want to double-check your ding on this comment - mouse mishap is my guess :)

254 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:30:57pm

re: #248 Interesting Times

William F. Buckley
“Why the South Must Prevail.”
National Review - August 24, 1957

“The central question that emerges ... is whether the White community in the South is entitled to take such measures as are necessary to prevail, politically and culturally, in areas in which it does not prevail numerically? The sobering answer is Yes — the White community is so entitled because, for the time being, it is the advanced race. It is not easy, and it is unpleasant, to adduce statistics evidencing the cultural superiority of White over Negro: but it is a fact that obtrudes, one that cannot be hidden by ever-so-busy egalitarians and anthropologists.”

“National Review believes that the South’s premises are correct... It is more important for the community, anywhere in the world, to affirm and live by civilized standards, than to bow to the demands of the numerical majority.”

“The South confronts one grave moral challenge. It must not exploit the fact of Negro backwardness to preserve the Negro as a servile class... Let the South never permit itself to do this. So long as it is merely asserting the right to impose superior mores for whatever period it takes to effect a genuine cultural equality between the races, and so long as it does so by humane and charitable means, the South is in step with civilization, as is the Congress that permits it to function.”

255 Lidane  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:31:58pm

Wow. The racist assholes are out today. Check this comment from YouTube:

Springsteen should write a song about the tens of thousands of white neighborhoods destroyed by [N-words] since "Open Housing" back in the late 1960s. Oh, wait, he's a bootlicking, lick-spittle, corporate sell-out race traitor. Never mind!

That was posted just three hours ago. And this is the song he's reacting to:

256 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:32:25pm

re: #254 Gus

Wait, the dog returns to its vomit? Never happens!

257 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:33:56pm

re: #256 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost

Wait, the dog returns to its vomit? Never happens!

“I know of nothing in human history that would lead us to conclude that miscegenation is desirable.”
-- William F. Buckley

258 Lidane  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:34:30pm

re: #254 Gus

Yep. Exactly that. Some folks might not like it, but racist writings like that were not uncommon in the early days of the National Review.

The only difference in recent years is that they took Lee Atwater's strategy to heart and couched it all in talk of urban crime, welfare queens and affirmative action.

259 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:35:23pm

re: #250 Lidane

Seriously. It was founded on racism, so featuring a racist writer? Not new or unexpected.

The only difference is that Derbyshire clearly decided that being vague was no one's friend, figuring that he'd out himself as a white supremacist.

It wasn't "founded on racism". Much more accurate to say that in the 50's-60's William F. Buckley had some racist ideas. He later repented of these. NR has had some problems when it comes to race, but its pieces on racial issues over the past 20-30 have not been racist. Derbyshire hate-bomb did not, after all, appear on NR's website. That being said, National Review should fire John Derbyshire for having written it.

260 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:37:46pm

More here:

The Decline of National Review - National Review was once a voice for whites.
by James P. Lubinskas

The October 11, 1999, cover story of National Review was a piece by Senior Editor Ramesh Ponnuru called “A Conservative No More,” which argued that Patrick Buchanan has abandoned conservative principles. The article complained about Mr. Buchanan’s isolationism, opposition to free trade, and support for certain government programs, but the most serious charge appeared in the subtitle: “The tribal politics of Pat Buchanan.” According to Mr. Ponnuru, “Buchananism is a form of identity politics for white people — and becomes more worrisome as it is married to collectivism.” Any expression of white identity is now apparently a betrayal of conservatism. It was not always so.

National Review is considered the flagship publication of post-World War II conservatism. William F. Buckley started it in 1955, declaring that it “stands athwart history yelling Stop, at a time when no one is inclined to do so, or to have much patience with those who so urge it.” Mr. Buckley was yelling “stop” to the spread of communism abroad and liberalism at home. That it should now attack Mr. Buchanan for supporting protectionism and market intervention is consistent with founding principles and no surprise. But few would have thought that after 44 years of publication, a senior editor with an Indian surname would condemn a popular white conservative for speaking up for whites.

Continues.

Cached link which leads to American Renaissance magazine.

261 moderatelyradicalliberal  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:39:40pm

I'm available to anybody who needs an IWSB for a "friend" for a large fee.

Other then that, I'll let the white people handle up on this asshole because I'm tired and have a genetic predisposition to hypertension that I'm trying not to aggravate before I'm 35.

Does anybody find it ironic that the ideal IWSBs would be the couple living in the White House that these people hate with a passion?

262 Interesting Times  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:42:08pm
263 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:43:19pm

re: #260 Gus

More here:

The Decline of National Review - National Review was once a voice for whites.
by James P. Lubinskas

Cached link which leads to American Renaissance magazine.

Good find, though it must be pointed out that National Review was entirely right to cast out Patrick Buchanan. Sadly, the growth of the Internet meant that a NR shunning was no longer as effective as it once was. Thus while Buchanan's influence was greatly curtailed by Ponnuru's article, it was not eliminated.

264 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:44:11pm

re: #260 Gus

More here:

The Decline of National Review - National Review was once a voice for whites.
by James P. Lubinskas

Cached link which leads to American Renaissance magazine.

Oh. And James Lubinskas has been featured at David Horowitz's Frontpage magazine:

FrontPage Magazine - James Lubinskas

They even directly reference American Renaissance at Frontpage so they make no attempt to hide their alliance.

265 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:45:02pm

re: #261 moderatelyradicalliberal

I'm available to anybody who needs an IWSB for a "friend" for a large fee.

I couldn't give a fuck about what most people think, so I can't give a shit about that either.

I wouldn't be opposed to having a beer with you, though. :)

266 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:45:32pm

re: #264 Gus

I noticed the AR/FP intersection some time back, posted some links here.

267 moderatelyradicalliberal  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:47:59pm

re: #265 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

I couldn't give a fuck about what most people think, so I can't give a shit about that either.

I wouldn't be opposed to having a beer with you, though. :)

Make it something with vodka in it.

268 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:48:28pm

re: #266 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost

I noticed the AR/FP intersection some time back, posted some links here.

Horowitz is a rabid nut. They of course are linked to Robert Spencer. Then you have Geller and the connections to the EDL and other European far-right parties.

269 Lidane  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:49:05pm

re: #261 moderatelyradicalliberal

Does anybody find it ironic that the ideal IWSBs would be the couple living in the White House that these people hate with a passion?

No one has ever accused white supremacist assholes of being smart.

270 palomino  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:49:33pm

re: #259 Dark_Falcon

It wasn't "founded on racism". Much more accurate to say that in the 50's-60's William F. Buckley had some racist ideas. He later repented of these. NR has had some problems when it comes to race, but its pieces on racial issues over the past 20-30 have not been racist. Derbyshire hate-bomb did not, after all, appear on NR's website. That being said, National Review should fire John Derbyshire for having written it.

You don't know much about Derbyshire if you think he hasn't stepped in this shitpile of racism before. In his writings at NRO, and elsewhere.

As for racism at its founding, how many leading black intellectuals wrote for NR in the early days? The biggest civil rights issues in the nation's history, and NR was dead wrong on all of them. I'm not inclined to give them a break just because WFB finally realized being openly anti-Black was becoming less socially acceptable.

272 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:49:42pm

re: #267 moderatelyradicalliberal

Make it something with vodka in it.

I've got the perfect drink recipe for vodka:

1 part vodka mixed with 3 parts vodka, with a small splash of vodka. Cheers!

273 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:50:09pm

re: #267 moderatelyradicalliberal

Make it something with vodka in it.

cake?

274 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:50:41pm

re: #264 Gus

Oh. And James Lubinskas has been featured at David Horowitz's Frontpage magazine:

FrontPage Magazine - James Lubinskas

They even directly reference American Renaissance at Frontpage so they make no attempt to hide their alliance.

It's shit like that that made me remove all FPM bookmarks. I'd long since stopped reading the site due to its nasty and shrill articles, but after I learned about those ties from Sergey I understood the site was rotten to its core and had to be shunned entirely.

275 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:51:06pm

re: #272 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

I've got the perfect drink recipe for vodka:

1 part vodka mixed with 3 parts vodka, with a small splash of vodka. Cheers!

with a vodka chaser

276 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:51:29pm

re: #266 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost

I noticed the AR/FP intersection some time back, posted some links here.

I once had lunch with Andrew Breitbart and David Horowitz, set up by Breitbart when he still thought I was someone he could use. Horowitz was considering hiring me to work on his websites.

It was a very creepy experience - one of the moments that forced me to realize that these were not people I wanted to be associated with.

277 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:51:58pm

re: #261 moderatelyradicalliberal

I'm available to anybody who needs an IWSB for a "friend" for a large fee.

Other then that, I'll let the white people handle up on this asshole because I'm tired and have a genetic predisposition to hypertension that I'm trying not to aggravate before I'm 35.

Does anybody find it ironic that the ideal IWSBs would be the couple living in the White House that these people hate with a passion?

Oh, I'm sure Derbyshire sees Obama as proof positive that IWSBs are privileged beyond the ken of regular white people.

278 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:52:24pm

re: #271 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost

Olbermann trashes longtime booster Cenk Uygur, alleging that he opposed hiring The Young Turks‘ host, and then refused to promote TYT because “It Was Demonstrably Substandard.”

So you had to go and link to something that made me agree with Olbermann on something.

I will kick you in the soul.

279 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:53:25pm

re: #273 sattv4u2

cake?

Hah. The old Russian ladies in the building I grew up in would swap strudel recipes with vodka in them. We couldn't figure out what it was for. Finally concluded that the original called for brandy, but you couldn't get that in the Soviet Union most of the time...

280 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:53:38pm

re: #278 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

So you had to go and link to something that made me agree with Olbermann on something.

I will kick you in the soul.

Nah. Do it in the neck! /

281 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:54:41pm

re: #279 SanFranciscoZionist

Hah. The old Russian ladies in the building I grew up in would swap strudel recipes with vodka in them. We couldn't figure out what it was for. Finally concluded that the original called for brandy, but you couldn't get that in the Soviet Union most of the time...

[Link: www.thekitchn.com...]

282 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:54:58pm

re: #280 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost

Nah. Do it in the neck! /

But I thought that's where Soviets kept their souls.
/

283 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:55:38pm

re: #282 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

But I thought that's where Soviets kept their souls.
/

I keep mine in my socks!!!

284 palomino  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:55:53pm

re: #259 Dark_Falcon

It wasn't "founded on racism". Much more accurate to say that in the 50's-60's William F. Buckley had some racist ideas. He later repented of these. NR has had some problems when it comes to race, but its pieces on racial issues over the past 20-30 have not been racist. Derbyshire hate-bomb did not, after all, appear on NR's website. That being said, National Review should fire John Derbyshire for having written it.

So this is your defense of NR: "National Review...Not Racist Since 1992!"*

*except for John Derbyshire (and maybe some others)

285 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:56:34pm

re: #282 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

But I thought that's where Soviets kept their souls.
/

286 Lidane  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:56:41pm

In other news, media whore rejects other media whores begging him for money. Film at 11:

Tucker Max Says No to PETA’s Request For Donation

287 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:56:53pm

re: #283 sattv4u2

I keep mine in my socks!!!

I think I traded mine for a candy bar back in the 70's.

288 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 6:58:46pm

re: #287 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

I think I traded mine for a candy bar back in the 70's.

You traded your socks for a candy bar??

hmnm,,, when I was in high school there was this weird guy that would hang outside of the hockey arena and offer money for our used jock straps,,, does that count ???

289 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:01:37pm
Derb’s Screed
By Rich Lowry
April 6, 2012 9:08 P.M. Comments0
Needless to say, no one at National Review shares Derb’s appalling view of what parents supposedly should tell their kids about blacks in this instantly notorious piece here.

Needless? No, that was quite necessary.

Also:


How about, "JD is not associated with our publication starting this minute"?

290 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:02:34pm

re: #289 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost

Needless? No, that was quite necessary.

Also:

How about, "JD is not associated with our publication starting this minute"?

Jonah cops out.

291 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:04:41pm

re: #290 Gus

Derbyshire will be reclassified as a liberal by monday.
/

292 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:04:55pm

Well folks, got a bit of an update on where things stand with the crash earlier today. So far, of the 7 casualties that occurred as a result, 6 have been released by the hospital, my guess being that the 7th is either the pilot who was injured upon ejection or one of the smoke inhalation victims.

As of right now, the Fire Department says 3 people are still unaccounted for, but the city's not listing anybody as missing, so it's a strange set of circumstances. I'd like to agree again with statements earlier that it's amazing that such a horrific incident has so far produced no confirmed fatalities.

293 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:06:53pm

Any thoughts on calling Israel an ethno-nationalist state?

294 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:08:14pm

re: #293 Gus

Any thoughts on calling Israel an ethno-nationalist state?

Not really

I was just about to call for a pizza though, does that count??

295 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:08:24pm

re: #293 Gus

Trying out your Heather Childers impression?
/

296 b_sharp  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:08:49pm

re: #222 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost

Then you would have balls always following you.

Ohwait...///

Satt still looking for his third ball?

297 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:08:56pm

re: #286 Lidane

In other news, media whore rejects other media whores begging him for money. Film at 11:

Tucker Max Says No to PETA’s Request For Donation

Tucker Max can FOAD. His latest book Hilarity Ensues talks about "How to subtly torture a highstrung roommate until he explodes with furious anger over a misplaced condiment,", which seriously irks me because I've on the receiving end of people like him, and when I was they made my life miserable.

The next item, "What really happened when a dirty pageant girl tried to sue Tucker because he told the truth,", is nothing but a dirtbag laughing over his delivering a 'slut-shaming', while feeling free to have as much sex as he wants to.

That person (I will not call Tucker Max a man, for he lacks all maturity) is rot and filth in human form.

298 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:09:45pm

re: #295 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Trying out your Heather Childers impression?
/

Not really. John Derbyshire did so in one of his previous podcasts.

299 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:10:33pm

re: #294 sattv4u2

Not really

I was just about to call for a pizza though, does that count??

AIPAC monitors orders and buys anchovies from blackwater. Rove catalogues deliveries and Jimmy Carter keeps the books clean.

300 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:10:50pm

re: #298 Gus

I figured that's where you headed, but I thought I'd have a little fun while getting there.

301 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:11:48pm

re: #300 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

I figured that's where you headed, but I thought I'd have a little fun while getting there.

Yeah. Freetoken mentioned it above so I finally gave it a listen.

302 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:12:18pm

re: #294 sattv4u2

Not really

I was just about to call for a pizza though, does that count??

Well hey, since you're buying, I'll take a large pepperoni, extra cheese.

//

303 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:12:42pm

re: #289 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost

Needless? No, that was quite necessary.

Well, at least they said it.

How about, "JD is not associated with our publication starting this minute"?

That might not have been possible due to it being after 5-6pm going into a three-day weekend. Nowadays, employers will often want to talk to their lawyers before firing someone in a case like this. Let's give them till Monday to boot him.

304 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:13:07pm

re: #279 SanFranciscoZionist

Hah. The old Russian ladies in the building I grew up in would swap strudel recipes with vodka in them. We couldn't figure out what it was for. Finally concluded that the original called for brandy, but you couldn't get that in the Soviet Union most of the time...

Was the vodka going into the pastry?

I'm not much of a baker, but apparently there's a trick involving substituting vodka for water in dough. The alcohol evaporates easier in the oven, resulting in a more flaky crust...or something like that. It's a piece of advice I've been given a few times and seen in various food advice sources.

305 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:14:36pm

re: #299 Killgore Trout

My cousin Sal handles the anchovy drops. We call him "Fishy Sally".

306 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:15:26pm

re: #296 No Monkey Man (Born With a Banana in my Hand)

Satt still looking for his third ball?

I play pocket pool,,, but I don't play away games !!

NTTAWWT!!!

307 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:17:39pm

re: #306 sattv4u2

:grumblegrumble:

:takes off pants with cut out pockets:

308 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:21:08pm

re: #304 The Ghost of a Flea

Was the vodka going into the pastry?

I'm not much of a baker, but apparently there's a trick involving substituting vodka for water in dough. The alcohol evaporates easier in the oven, resulting in a more flaky crust...or something like that. It's a piece of advice I've been given a few times and seen in various food advice sources.

see the link at #281

309 blueraven  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:22:06pm

re: #253 Interesting Times

blueraven, if you're still around, you might want to double-check your ding on this comment - mouse mishap is my guess :)

Ooops!
Gracias mi amiga.

310 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:22:19pm

re: #308 sattv4u2

see the link at #281

Exactly what I was thinking of. Thanks.

311 Mocking Jay  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:23:08pm

Dear Pentagon, please gtfo of the way and green light an Iraq veterans parade. kthxbai

312 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:23:56pm
313 Mocking Jay  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:25:03pm

re: #312 Charles Johnson

wha...?

314 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:25:06pm

re: #312 Charles Johnson

Check your DMs. Think I found a video we missed on you know who. He drops the n-word. Talks about cutting and slashing people in the face.

315 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:31:26pm

re: #312 Charles Johnson

I guess that would make Dan a run of the mill, uninteresting cow turd???

I don't get it. Maybe I should ask a six year old.

316 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:32:46pm

re: #312 Charles Johnson

The moron says what?

317 Lidane  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:33:03pm

re: #315 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Even six year olds know better than to go poking cow turds.

I'd ask for some of whatever Riehl is taking, but I like having a functional IQ.

318 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:34:37pm

Ur a poopie hed. Hurr!

319 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:40:48pm

re: #314 Gus

Check your DMs. Think I found a video we missed on you know who. He drops the n-word. Talks about cutting and slashing people in the face.

You have my attention...is it too soon for inquiring people to know?

320 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:41:08pm

Hmm... maybe I'll wait on getting those nanite augs 'til after they work out all the bugs.

321 Kragar  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:41:46pm

So, Dan likes to play with poop? Not surprising really.

322 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:42:33pm

re: #319 talon_262

You have my attention...is it too soon for inquiring people to know?

Too soon.

323 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:42:40pm

re: #321 Kragar

So, Dan likes to play with poop? Not surprising really.

Faeces is clearly his preferred medium for self-expression.

324 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:43:58pm

re: #321 Kragar

copropheliac

325 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:44:57pm

re: #324 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

copropheliac

Dan Riehl: Painter of Shit

326 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:45:20pm

re: #322 Gus

Too soon.

Is it at least interesting or just informative?

327 Kragar  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:46:18pm

Just waiting for Dan to say "I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast!"

328 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:46:40pm

re: #325 The Ghost of a Flea

and eater/disturber

329 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:47:34pm

re: #327 Kragar

Just waiting for Dan to say "I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast!"

To which the logical reply would be, "You eat pieces of shit?"

//

330 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:48:17pm

re: #323 The Ghost of a Flea

Faeces Fasces is clearly his preferred medium for self-expression.

*cough*

331 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:49:20pm

re: #325 The Ghost of a Flea

Dan Riehl: Painter of Shit

Dan Riehl: Poo Flinger

He needs to grasp the finer points though; maybe he can get some pointers from the monkey exhibit at his nearest zoo.

332 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:50:54pm

re: #326 talon_262

Is it at least interesting or just informative?

Both.

333 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:51:52pm

re: #331 talon_262

Dan Riehl: Poo Flinger

He needs to grasp the finer points though; maybe he can get some pointers from the monkey exhibit at his nearest zoo.

Nah, he'd find himself locked in the chimpanzee cage, with whoever accompanied him to the zoo being thanked for returning him.

///

334 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:51:55pm

re: #332 Gus

Both.

Damn, I'm dying here! Must be really juicy for you not to give anything up on it yet...

335 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:52:53pm

re: #332 Gus

Now your just trying out your Breitbart "undisclosed bombshell" impression.
/

336 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:54:12pm

re: #334 talon_262

Damn, I'm dying here! Must be really juicy for you not to give anything up on it yet...

re: #335 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Now your just trying out your Breitbart "undisclosed bombshell" impression.
/

Patience! Now we wait. Bwahahahaha!

337 Kragar  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:55:09pm

re: #336 Gus

re: #335 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Patience! Now we wait. Bwahahahaha!

Yeah, patience sure, how long is that going to take?

338 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:56:02pm

re: #337 Kragar

Yeah, patience sure, how long is that going to take?

Let's see. I've got 2 patients in front of you.

//

339 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:56:15pm

re: #333 Dark_Falcon

The resident chimpanzee reaction: DO NOT WANT.

340 b_sharp  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 7:58:45pm

re: #333 Dark_Falcon

Nah, he'd find himself locked in the chimpanzee cage, with whoever accompanied him to the zoo being thanked for returning him.

///

Dude, we're all chimps.

Send him to the Orang cages.

341 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 8:00:29pm

re: #333 Dark_Falcon

Nah, he'd find himself locked in the chimpanzee orangutan cage, with whoever accompanied him to the zoo being thanked for returning him.

///

Why do I now get a head movie going of Every Which Way But Loose, where Philo gets Clyde into the Albuquerque Zoo to get laid and "Behind Closed Doors" plays as to the door to the habitat closes?

///

342 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 8:01:22pm

re: #340 No Monkey Man (Born With a Banana in my Hand)

Dude, we're all chimps.

Send him to the Orang cages.

...and with that simple choice we can understand why in the future Dr. Zaius has such a low opinion of human sapience.

343 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 8:03:03pm

re: #342 The Ghost of a Flea

...and with that simple choice we can understand why in the future Dr. Zaius has such a low opinion of human sapience.

Very good reference there.

344 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 8:04:03pm

re: #341 talon_262

Why do I now get a head movie going of Every Which Way But Loose, where Philo gets Clyde into the Albuquerque Zoo to get laid and "Behind Closed Doors" plays as to the door to the habitat closes?

///

For some reason that movie never shows on premium movie channels.

345 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 8:06:16pm

Hey man!

346 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 8:36:45pm

You killed the thread, Gus. Everyone's waiting with bated breath. On tenterhooks.

347 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 8:37:52pm

re: #346 Charles Johnson

You killed the thread, Gus. Everyone's waiting with bated breath. On tenterhooks.

Thats because it's Good Friday

A lot of us had seafood for dinner!!

348 freetoken  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 8:37:56pm

We don't need no stinkin' food...


Sustainably Feeding a Changing World

349 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 8:38:10pm

re: #346 Charles Johnson

You killed the thread, Gus. Everyone's waiting with bated breath. On tenterhooks.

I'm not dead yet!

350 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 8:38:52pm

re: #346 Charles Johnson

You killed the thread, Gus. Everyone's waiting with bated breath. On tenterhooks.

Oops! Was farting around on Twitter. Tomorrow!

351 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 8:39:27pm

Ron Paul was involved. Don't that figure?

//

352 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 8:40:54pm

Ron Paul is like a political neutrino. Some kind of wave or a force. However slight. But he buzzes like this thin molecular agency and from out of nowhere! He typically wins the internet even if he gets elected best swimsuit in an internet poll.

353 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 8:41:50pm

re: #352 Gus

Ron Paul is like a political neutrino. Some kind of wave or a force. However slight. But he buzzes like this thin molecular agency and from out of nowhere! He typically wins the internet even if he gets elected best swimsuit in an internet poll.

Best...swimsuit...

Gus, where do I send the bill for my therapy?

/

354 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 8:43:18pm

re: #353 Targetpractice

Best...swimsuit...

Gus, where do I send the bill for my therapy?

/

NHS Direct,
120 Leman Street,
London,
E1 8EU

355 jaunte  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 8:43:59pm

@RP_Newsletter must be on vcation this week. Derbyshire is stealing his audience.
[Link: twitter.com...]

356 Lidane  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 8:45:20pm

re: #352 Gus

The idiot Paulbots are convinced that he's secretly the front-runner in the race and that the media is conspiring to make him look like a loser. I see them posting all over the damn place talking about all these supposed massive audiences that come out to see Luap Nor talk while Romney and Santorum are speaking to empty rooms in comparison, and how an "open convention" in Tampa will prove to the world that Ron Paul is the real standard bearer in the GOP.

I'd laugh, but it's not worth the effort.

357 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 8:45:42pm

re: #353 Targetpractice

Best...swimsuit...

Gus, where do I send the bill for my therapy?

/

♪♫Paul and Santorum, sittin' in a tree...♪♫

358 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 8:46:30pm

re: #356 Lidane

The idiot Paulbots are convinced that he's secretly the front-runner in the race and that the media is conspiring to make him look like a loser. I see them posting all over the damn place talking about all these supposed massive audiences that come out to see Luap Nor talk while Romney and Santorum are speaking to empty rooms in comparison, and how an "open convention" in Tampa will prove to the world that Ron Paul is the real standard bearer in the GOP.

I'd laugh, but it's not worth the effort.

"Open convention"? Yeah, that makes about as much sense as Newt's suggestion of holding a convention debate.

Seriously Paulians, you lost, move on. Aqua Buddha will run next time around, don't you fret none.

359 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 8:48:40pm

re: #357 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

♪♫Paul and Santorum, sittin' in a tree...♪♫

K-i-s-s-i-n-g

OK. Showing my age.

360 jaunte  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 8:48:52pm

re: #358 Targetpractice

He might be able to lock down Kentucky's 8 electoral votes.

361 Kronocide  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 8:52:36pm

Wow, shocked about Derbyshire. I never thought him to be this way.

362 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 8:53:52pm

re: #360 jaunte

He might be able to lock down Kentucky's 8 electoral votes.

I'm not sure even we're dumb enough to go all in for Paul the Lesser.

363 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 8:54:40pm

re: #360 jaunte

He might be able to lock down Kentucky's 8 electoral votes.

I don't know. They other day I was watching Frank Zappa play some bicycles on the Steve Allen Show and it seemed almost intellectual. There was even the Chicken Little cartoon from 1943 that almost advanced degree material. Somehow we've managed to advance in so many ways yet leapt so backwards in other ways. We've regressed. The revanchists -- atavists -- have been more successful than we care to admit.

364 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 8:54:44pm

re: #359 Gus

K-i-s-s-i-n-g

OK. Showing my age.

Nah, that one is timeless.

365 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 8:55:55pm

re: #361 Kronocide

Wow, shocked about Derbyshire. I never thought him to be this way.

Maybe he had a mini-stroke?

[Buddy Hackett face.]

366 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:01:22pm

Alright, fuckit! Easter is canceled. Scramble your eggs and save the food coloring for the mix.

367 Lidane  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:01:51pm

Man, this is depressing. I grew up in Houston and have a lot of memories of the Astrodome. Hell, my first apartment on my own was right next to it. It's pathetic to see it looking like this now:

8th Wonder: A Tour of Houston's Rotting Astrodome

They should either tear it down once and for all or restore it. It's ridiculous to have what used to be such an iconic stadium as nothing but an eyesore now.

368 freetoken  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:04:16pm

Ron Paul is likely your cousin, more closely than would make your comfortable:

Cryptic Distant Relatives Are Common in Both Isolated and Cosmopolitan Genetic Samples

369 Mich-again  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:04:35pm

Derbyshire must think I am downright suicidal for violating a bunch of his guidelines. I volunteer in an SAE program in which engineers go into Detroit public schools and teach a science program to elementary students. This year the school is John Trix near 8 Mile and Schoenner. I park on the street and walk into the school where I am always greeted by friendly people and made to feel welcome. The kids (100% African American) are respectful and really seem to enjoy having someone other than their regular teacher come in and talk about science and math and motivate them to work hard in school and have some fun with math and science. I've done this for about 10 years now and I'd recommend anyone to get involved in some sort of program like this one. As for Derbyshire, he is just a intellectual racist like our old pal Fjordman. He tries to conceal his racism with long essays attempting to rationalize the age old hate.

370 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:05:37pm

re: #252 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost

Sorry, not getting your logic. The IQ tests test for an ostensible measure of intelligence. It can be debated if they do it well or if it makes sense to talk about a single measure of intelligence, etc., etc. - these are separate topics. But all they do is determine this measure, "IQ".

This testing is independent from whether or not intelligence is wholly inherited (and I don't know any prominent "determinist" who would take such an extreme position), or if the genetic factor dominates (this is the mainstream position of the likes of Derbyshire) or if the environmental factor dominates, or whether there is no genetic factor at all.

I.e. your argument that these results cast doubt on IQ testing as such is invalid.

I don't agree - but this forum just isn't conducive to such a complicated topic. That said, it is a fascinating topic, so I was Googling a bit and came across this - very interesting reading:

371 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:07:13pm

re: #367 Lidane

Man, this is depressing. I grew up in Houston and have a lot of memories of the Astrodome. Hell, my first apartment on my own was right next to it. It's pathetic to see it looking like this now:

8th Wonder: A Tour of Houston's Rotting Astrodome

They should either tear it down once and for all or restore it. It's ridiculous to have what used to be such an iconic stadium as nothing but an eyesore now.

After seeing about the tornadoes the other day I wound up checking out the Houston Astrodome. Something else about John Matuszak and Goonies too. ;)

372 freetoken  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:09:38pm

Livin' easy and lovin' the loquat.

Tonight's pairing is with Trader Joe’s Dark Chocolate Lover’s Bar, which is very good at an unreasonably low price.

373 CriticalDragon1177  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:10:52pm

Charles Johnson,

Isn't National Review supposed to be one of the better, more rational conservative publications? This is kind of shocking.

374 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:12:09pm

I do want to mention one other worry. Colorado has a...history with Islamic Radicalism.

Sayyid Qutb went to what is now University of Northern Colorado, and Anwar al-Awlaki went to CSU, and was affiliated with one of the largest mosques in Denver. An affiliate of Jihad Jane was recruited from within Colorado. Put simply, I a minor case of paranoia that Colorado Mosques might have a radicalism problem.

Also, there is a Bachelorette Party next door. 20-25 people in an apartment meant for 4.

375 jvic  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:12:38pm

re: #365 Gus

Maybe he had a mini-stroke?

Male menopause.

376 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:13:22pm

re: #374 ProGunLiberal

Actually, what the flying hell are they doing next door?

It's quiet for a second, then there is all sorts of noise and stuff, then it repeats. In waves, not random.

377 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:13:52pm

Meanwhile, the obsessed nutjobs who stalk me around the web have been trying to trick people who communicate with me on Twitter into believing they're associated with LGF. I've caught several of them doing this today, and informed their targets what's going on.

378 freetoken  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:16:17pm

re: #373 CriticalDragon1177

See the discussion upstream about National Review founder William Buckley, and also the exchange with Dark Falcon.

The self declared "conservatives" in this country have included what we label the "paleo-conservatives" which have long been associated with racism. Buckley was no nut (a la John Birch Society) but he was willing to be part of a broad coalition with the paleo-conservatives.

Derbyshire has been associated with National Review for some time, and Derbyshire has been a known (and even self-acknowledged) racist for a very long time.


Buckley was highly educated and Catholic and was able to bridge the divide amongst the Protestant conservatives and Catholic conservatives. Plus, he has an impressive command of English and could speak and write with skill most of his contemporaries could not.

379 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:16:29pm

re: #374 ProGunLiberal

Also, there is a Bachelorette Party next door. 20-25 people in an apartment meant for 4.

Throw on a costume, grab a boom-box, and pretend to be a stripper. It's the only logical thing to do in this situation.

380 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:17:13pm

re: #304 The Ghost of a Flea

Was the vodka going into the pastry?

I'm not much of a baker, but apparently there's a trick involving substituting vodka for water in dough. The alcohol evaporates easier in the oven, resulting in a more flaky crust...or something like that. It's a piece of advice I've been given a few times and seen in various food advice sources.

I heard a dude from America's Test Kitchen talking about this and it really does work. Water creates gluten which makes dough tough. You use Vodka because it's tasteless, and because the alcohol in the vodka evaporates, you an add more liquid to make the dough workable but still end up with a dry crust (with less gluten).

1/2 Vodka and 1/2 water = best pie crust ever

381 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:17:24pm

Also, Wikipedia says Thomas Kinkade died.

re: #379 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Ahh, no can do buddy. I have respect for myself. :P

382 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:17:59pm

re: #377 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, the obsessed nutjobs who stalk me around the web have been trying to trick people who communicate with me on Twitter into believing they're associated with LGF. I've caught several of them doing this today, and informed their targets what's going on.

I've had to do that a few times myself. I imagine you have a bigger work load though. We've seen the reason earlier though. Some of these folks have serious issues. Wow.

383 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:18:22pm

re: #381 ProGunLiberal

Ahh, no can do buddy. I have respect for myself. :P

Well shit, that's your problem right there.
/You'll never get laid with that kind of attitude.

384 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:20:39pm

re: #379 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

I want to see your costume!

385 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:21:13pm

re: #371 Gus

It had a time of honor in 2005, taking care of the Internally Displaced Persons from Hurricane Katrina.

It's still hard to believe that, for a few months in 2005, the US had more IDPs than all but the DRC, Colombia, Iraq, and Sudan. We were even above Somalia.

386 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:21:17pm

re: #378 freetoken

I used to think Buckley was honestly repelled by the likes of Pat Buchanan and Joe Sobran. But now I know he was just making a political calculation, because he saw that racism was going out of style.

What Derbyshire wrote was far beyond the worst of Buchanan. But NRO has so far shown only token signs of distancing themselves from his racist hatred. It looks like right wing racism is making a big comeback.

387 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:24:02pm

re: #384 Dancing along the light of day

I want to see your costume!

BIRTHDAY SUIT!!!!
a really hairy b-day suit

chubby, too

388 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:28:34pm

Welp. All I know is that I never went full-metal-wingnut like these guys. And. I never went full-metal-moonbat either. I'm happy with myself. Feck these turds.

389 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:30:58pm

re: #385 ProGunLiberal

Why not turn the Astrodome into Museum for Hurricane Katrina? One of the sites that was closely associated with the aftermath of the disaster. We need a reminder of one of the greatest disasters in United States History. Only equaled by the 1900 Galveston Hurricane and the 1906 San Francisco Earthquake.

Make sure Katrina doesn't recede completely from memory, and learn the lessons from it. Namely, that the Posse Comitatus Act needs to be heavily modified or repealed.

390 jvic  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:31:00pm

As DF wrote, these days you have to be careful about how you fire people.

National Review fired Ann Coulter for her post-9/11 rant that the US should invade Muslim countries and forcibly convert the people to Christianity.

I'm reasonably confident that Derbyshire's days are numbered.

391 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:31:11pm

re: #388 Gus

You've flirted dangerously close, though. Well, I know I have, anyway.

392 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:35:57pm

re: #391 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

You've flirted dangerously close, though. Well, I know I have, anyway.

Yeah. But I had to hear one guy that used to talk about shooting people in the head for being an atheist. Or smoking pot. Earth First. Igloo White. I'm sure you know who I'm talking about. We had some rather evil people around. I was close. But I never got the cigar. I know I liked that red GTO but that dude used to piss on my leg all the time. And you know who that is too. I never gave him any shit but he would always get on my case. But that's OK because it wasn't me. It was them.

393 dragonath  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:36:39pm

I never really paid attention to James Kilpatricks op-eds, but he wrote a lot horridly racist things, and he wrote for the National Review as well.

One of the commenters on Ta-Nehisi's blog found this article where Buckley is defending Rush Limbaugh. It says something about the movement that he championed cast him aside when he was no longer useful to them.

394 CriticalDragon1177  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:36:54pm

re: #378 freetoken

See the discussion upstream about National Review founder William Buckley, and also the exchange with Dark Falcon.

The self declared "conservatives" in this country have included what we label the "paleo-conservatives" which have long been associated with racism. Buckley was no nut (a la John Birch Society) but he was willing to be part of a broad coalition with the paleo-conservatives.

Derbyshire has been associated with National Review for some time, and Derbyshire has been a known (and even self-acknowledged) racist for a very long time.

Buckley was highly educated and Catholic and was able to bridge the divide amongst the Protestant conservatives and Catholic conservatives. Plus, he has an impressive command of English and could speak and write with skill most of his contemporaries could not.

freetoken,

Well, it really doesn't make Buckley or National Review look good at all. They might want to rethink having him work for them.

395 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:38:25pm

Tonight though I decided to flush William F. Buckley down the toilet though. I will no longer give him any leeway. He is not missed.

396 freetoken  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:39:02pm

re: #386 Charles Johnson

Buchanan and Derbyshire are different, though it's sort of like picking the difference between bat guano and cow dung.

Buchanan is among other things a Christian-Civilization-ist, and Derbyshire is a genetics centered secularist. The thing which they have in common is that they believe the Anglo-white society is superior to most others around the world.

Have you ever watched the full debate Buckley did with Baldwin? Youtube just has out-takes:

The full video is online, I think at the Internet Archives, or maybe some university archive. I downloaded it some time back - it is worth watching the whole thing.

397 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:39:11pm

re: #389 ProGunLiberal

Going from memory, FEMA put 4 states under Major Disaster Declaration after Katrina (Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida (Surge was about 5-7 feet as far away as Panama City)).

42 other states over the next month would get Emergency Declarations as a result of the IDPs. Only Vermont, Wyoming, Alaska, and Hawaii did not end up under a Major Disaster or Emergency Declaration as a result of Katrina. Puerto Rico wasn't either.

398 austin_blue  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:39:25pm

re: #394 CriticalDragon1177

freetoken,

Well, it really doesn't make Buckley or National Review look good at all. They might want to rethink having him work for them.

Ya think?

399 freetoken  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:41:34pm

The full Baldwin Buckley debate:

[Link: www.lib.berkeley.edu...]

400 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:42:02pm

re: #392 Gus

I know I liked that red GTO but that dude used to piss on my leg all the time. And you know who that is too.

Sorry, I was smoking a lot of meth at the time. I'm not proud of that.
/

401 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:44:30pm

re: #395 Gus

I don't think Buckley should be dismissed out of hand.

402 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:45:50pm

re: #400 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Sorry, I was smoking a lot of meth at the time. I'm not proud of that.
/

I'm trying to think of a way to put it into words. But you know how we had Mr. Spellcheck with that Roman guys and the Climategate Study guy who sold meteorites?

403 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:46:05pm

re: #401 Dancing along the light of day

I don't think Buckley should be dismissed out of hand.

Not my choice.

404 austin_blue  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:48:46pm

re: #401 Dancing along the light of day

I don't think Buckley should be dismissed out of hand.

Well, he is, like, you know, dead.

He was what he was. The New Right is so far to the right of Buckley, assimilating groups that he he found abhorrent, that he seems moderately Liberal (gasp!) by comparison.

405 Interesting Times  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:50:14pm

re: #401 Dancing along the light of day

I don't think Buckley should be dismissed out of hand.

He was grotesquely homophobic and defended Joseph McCarthy. Surely there are historical Conservative voices who can be defended on their character as opposed to political calculation skills? :/

406 CuriousLurker  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:51:22pm

Just stopping by to drop off a dose of hater antidote:

Three Dog Night Black & White

Michael McDonald & Billy Preston sing MarvingGaye's What's Goin' On

Can't stay—have a great night, everyone. ;)

407 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:51:53pm

re: #404 austin_blue

Well, he is, like, you know, dead.

He was what he was. The New Right is so far to the right of Buckley, assimilating groups that he he found abhorrent, that he seems moderately Liberal (gasp!) by comparison.

Heh, what an appropriate word, as the image of the Borg it invokes in my mind makes so much sense when thinking of the wingnuts. They assimilate anything and everything they think will help them attain "perfection," a purity of ideology that is simply unobtainable, with any facts or persons who stand in their way either ignored or destroyed.

408 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:52:06pm

Sorry to everyone for going on a Katrina-tangent. That event changed my life. The coverage and the horror of seeing one of America's major cities nearly destroyed and the annihilation of the MS Gulf Coast. Most people have a better memory of 9/11 than Katrina. Because of circumstances in my Middle School class, I didn't see the coverage of 9/11 as it happened until 2010, on an MSNBC special when they aired the unedited footage from the Today Show and NBC news.

Katrina...I saw all the coverage for it. And the foreign response to Katrina as everyone and their damn uncle came to help. From Canada to Iran, from Israel to the Arab States, and the badly damaged nations of Indonesia and Sri Lanka.

I was originally a Meteorology Major, because of Katrina.

409 b_sharp  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:52:20pm

re: #400 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

Sorry, I was smoking a lot of meth at the time. I'm not proud of that.
/

SB}}

410 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:53:44pm

re: #402 Gus

I feel like there is a point here, but I don't feel like playing Mouse Trap to get to it.

411 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:54:43pm

re: #410 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks

I feel like there is a point here, but I don't feel like playing Mouse Trap to get to it.

It's an easy catch that's for sure.

412 Mich-again  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:58:30pm

re: #395 Gus

I disagree. I think Buckley did more good than bad. If he were here today and still in his prime, he would probably be too liberal for the current John Birch/Tea Paty/GOP

413 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:58:58pm

re: #409 No Monkey Man (Born With a Banana in my Hand)

SB}}

You know I was kiddi... never mind.

414 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:59:19pm
415 jvic  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:59:52pm

To Derbyshire: Heil, Spode!

And to all, a good-night.

416 Gus  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 10:00:46pm
417 austin_blue  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 10:01:32pm

re: #407 Targetpractice

Heh, what an appropriate word, as the image of the Borg it invokes in my mind makes so much sense when thinking of the wingnuts. They assimilate anything and everything they think will help them attain "perfection," a purity of ideology that is simply unobtainable, with any facts or persons who stand in their way either ignored or destroyed.

Well, that's my point. The New R's have encouraged and embraced the worst of human prejudice. Buckley would have been appalled.

418 freetoken  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 10:04:27pm

In that Baldwin-Buckley debate, I like how Baldwin early on points out to his Cambridge audience that White Supremacy came to the US from Europe.

This gets back to the audio page of Derbyshire's at NRO that I linked earlier, where Derbyshire is relishing the "ethno" parties rising in Europe, parties we consider far right wing.

419 dragonath  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 10:05:36pm

re: #405 Interesting Times

Nelson Rockefeller? If nothing else, protecting the Adirondacks is an awesome legacy.

Also, this!

420 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 10:09:58pm

re: #399 freetoken

The full Baldwin Buckley debate:

[Link: www.lib.berkeley.edu...]

Thanks for that link. Balwin was incredible.

Watching Buckley is very instructive for anyone tempted to view him romantically.

421 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 10:20:43pm

re: #420 Talking Point Detective

For example, Buckely's attribution of (at least part of) "the Negro problem" to blacks reaching out to "radical solutions on the basis of which the true problem is obscured. " Blaming illegitimacy in the black community. This is before voting rights were established in all states. It's more complicated than "simply giving them the vote."

Basically, the basis for Rush Limbaugh's whole schtick. If you are going to consider Limbaugh an extremist, it makes no sense to raise Buckley to some elevated status.

422 freetoken  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 10:30:41pm

re: #421 Talking Point Detective

Buckley knew he lost that debate before he started. I suspect that for him it was more an exercise to see what he could accomplish, as well as garner some more attention.

423 freetoken  Fri, Apr 6, 2012 10:48:00pm

re: #421 Talking Point Detective

One thing you'll notice about Buckley's approach is that he avoids the actual proposition on the bench and attacks contents of Baldwin's various writings.

424 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 5:23:36am

re: #370 Talking Point Detective

I don't agree

It's not a matter of agreement or disagreement. You have stated quite clearly that "IQ testing is supposed to measure an inherited attribute", and it verifiably isn't. I.e. you still have some reading to do on this topic. (You probably confused environmental influence in general (which includes e.g. developmental influence right after conception and beyond; eating lead paint chips = environmental influence) with cultural influence, such as knowing specific sports terms, books, paintings etc.). Even determinists don't just assume that IQ measures an inherited attribute, they try to prove it, which would be quite redundant if you were correct.

425 Talking Point Detective  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 6:39:28am

re: #423 freetoken

Yup. In particular, I like the part where he attacks Baldwin's "English accent."

Baldwin must have been pissed that Buckley never even addressed the question being debated.

426 Talking Point Detective  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:10:50am

re: #424 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost

Even determinists don't just assume that IQ measures an inherited attribute, they try to prove it, which would be quite redundant if you were correct.

They assume (and believe that they have proven) that group difference in IQ scores are attributable to genetic, and specifically not, environment differences (including, absurdly, the ways that it has been shown that post-natal environmental factors affect gene expression). Their whole argument is to work backwards from IQ scores to conclude evidence of genetic differences in group. They are specifically arguing against the notion that environmental factors (of whichever type) affect cognitive development in such a way as to explain group differences in IQ test scores. They argue that blacks score lower on IQ tests independent of environmental influences (of whichever type).

They also believe that IQ measures "intelligence." I'd say that when you have Africans averaging at levels that supposedly means that they are mentally handicapped on average, it's pretty obvious that there's something wrong with that theory. The measure of a test's validity is how well it measures what it is intended to measure. If it is intended to measure "intelligence" and IQ tests show changes over time in groups (unless you can explain why some changed variables would make that group more "intelligent".), the test is invalidated in that they don't show what they are supposed to be showing. (of course, the counterarguments to that would discuss the correlation between IQ testing and other external manifestations - but that is also a very complicated assessment). In reality, in my view, what IQ tests is how well people do on IQ tests.

427 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 7:37:26am

re: #426 Talking Point Detective

This is all good and such, but we aren't talking about hereditarians and their misconceptions, but about *your* misunderstanding of IQ:

What's interesting about that last excerpt is that if you believe that IQ tests are actually valid (i.e., that they measure a singular attribute called "intelligence" that is genetically inherited) it should theoretically be impossible for blacks to close the gap in IQ testing. Not only does the evidence of a closing gap expose racist theories, it also exposes the weakness of IQ testing.

IQ tests do not purport to measure "a singular attribute called "intelligence" that is genetically inherited". That's an extreme hereditarian interpretation of what IQ tests measure. I.e. you take an extreme interpretation of IQ tests and use it to cast doubt on IQ testing as such. Which shows that you don't understand the first thing about IQ.

Before debating something you would better actually read up on it. You can start with Nisbett, who alone shows that "what IQ tests is how well people do on IQ tests" is nonsense, since they predict real-life outcomes. He also acknowledges the substantial role of genes in IQ, all the while being a staunch environmentalist (there is no contradiction). So: read.

428 Talking Point Detective  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:30:33am

re: #427 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost

... since they predict real-life outcomes.

They correlate to some degree with some outcomes - and in particular, with some outcomes in some environments with some groups. From what I've read, I don't agree that they "predict" outcomes as some generalizable statement (accounting for "multiple intelligences," which specific outcome measures we're talking about, etc.) For example, what's the IQ of some seafarer in some "primitive" culture who integrates knowledge about the feel of the waves, the smell of the air, and the color of the sky to navigate his way back home?). If you have a good link that shows how IQ predicts real-life outcomes across different domains of achievement and across different cultures, I'd love to read it.

He also acknowledges the substantial role of genes in IQ,..

When they can describe the physiological (causal) link between brain architecture and IQ tests, then I will be convinced of quantification of the role of genes in IQ (distinguishing it as a quantification of "intelligence" - but as a limited attribute). I actually read some pretty interesting stuff about that recently (don't remember the links) - but nothing convincing, in my view, that does much better than saying there's some mixture of environment and some factors that might be correlated to brain physiology.

429 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:58:48am

re: #428 Talking Point Detective

Again, having a personal non-expert opinion is fine.

Just two points to keep in mind: don't expect this personal opinion to be taken with full seriousness when a) you've already shown that you make mistakes in basic things related to the issue; b) your opinion clashes with the consensus opinion of the experts (I gave the link to the paper describing this consensus above). This is really no different than any other debate, e.g. about AGW. Everybody has an opinion, but scientific consensus takes the priority.

PS: as for predicting, it is an absolutely legitimate way of putting this:

In summary, intelligence test scores predict a wide range of social outcomes with varying degrees of success.
Correlations are highest for school achievement, where they account for about a quarter of the variance. They are somewhat lower for job performance, and very low for negatively valued outcomes such as criminality. In general, intelligence tests measure only some of the many personal characteristics that are relevant to life in contemporary America. Those characteristics are never the only influence on outcomes, though in the case of school performance they may well be the strongest.

Am. Psych., Feb. 1996, p. 83.

430 Talking Point Detective  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 10:42:38am

re: #429 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost

"...with varying degrees of success." Which was my point. At what point does correlation = "prediction" in any meaningful way? What can you "predict" from someone's IQ test? At the extreme ends of results, sure, you can predict some very likely outcomes - but then again, you probably wouldn't need an IQ test to do so in those cases. What can you "predict" about Africans, whites, blacks, Asians, etc., on the basis of average group differences in IQ testing?

I have seen a wide disparity in analysis about the validity of IQ testing, whether and to what degree results reflect genetics (or environment), how well it does or doesn't predict various outcomes, etc. To say that the highest correlation is explanatory for 1/4 of the variance in school performance, particularly when as I'm intimately familiar with how incredibly difficult it is to control for the variables that affect school performance, doesn't meet the bar of "predict," IMO.

From what I've seen, the "consensus" is less uniform than you seem to suggest. But if your expertise proves to you otherwise, it is what it is. If you simply tell me that your expertise invalidates my opinion, unless you provide me of some evidence of your credentials, that isn't convincing to me. From what I've seen, the evidence that you've provided from experts does not align with our disagreements in the way that you're arguing that it does - and I find the medium too unwieldy to explore that beyond this point.

You're certainly entitled to take whatever view you wish of my opinions, I have no expectations or quarrel with that. I assess the issue differently than you. If your determination is that I'm "wrong," so be it. I'm more interested in reading your views on the issues I've raised than your assessment of the value of my opinion.

FWIW, personally, I find the crossover of the concept of stereotype threat and IQ testing in different groups to be interesting - as an indicator of one of the many environmental factors that, essentially, invalidate IQ testing as some objective measure of outcomes. (Stereotype threat is a relatively new concept - so how could it have been controlled for in older analysis? How can someone quantify the extent to which stereotype threat influences IQ test results, and might also be causal to other outcomes that were supposedly "predicted" by something objectively measured IQ tests?).

But I think that controlling for environmental factors for IQ testing an impossible task - which again, is why I'll wait until there is some identified physiological link to brain architecture before accepting generalizations. I think that IQ testing is valid at extreme ends of the spectrum as a limited measure - but even there, not without controlling for environmental factors. The correlation between IQ testing and outcomes such as career success or success in school does not impress me, as those outcomes are fraught with myriad environmental influences. Again, the fact that Africans score at levels associated with retardation in this country creates real problems with the validity of IQ testing.

Anyway, that's it for me on this. Do you have a link to something that examines "predictable" outcomes across cultures, and what link are you referring to in the post immediately above this one?

431 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 10:51:59am

re: #430 Talking Point Detective

This is a statistical usage of "prediction" we're talking about, of course. Not some "100% determinant" strawman. Anyway, read Nisbett (the full book is available online if you know how to search), read the Intelligence: Knowns and Uknowns paper, which contains the consensus as of 1996.

I don't see how my "credentials" come into play here. I'm not making any claims contradicting the scientific consensus (which I referenced). It's your credentials that would be relevant here since you claim to be not convinced by something or other. You however showed confusion about the basics (the IQ being inherited by def, not true), so whether you are convinced about something or not on this particular topic is of no consequence. I gave the references, so I'm ending this convo from my end too.

432 Talking Point Detective  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 11:04:50am

re: #431 The Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost of a Ghost

Not some "100% determinant" strawman.

Actually, the irony of that comment merits a final response.

433 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 11:28:13am

re: #432 Talking Point Detective

Actually, the irony of that comment merits a final response.

Whatever works for you, I guess.

What do IQ scores predict? First of all, they predict academic grades. [...]

The correlation today between the scores on typical intelligence tests and the grades of schoolchildren is about .50. That value is substantial, but it leaves room for a great many variables that are not measured by an IQ test to play a role in predicting academic performance.

Nisbett, p. 12. Also see sub-chapter "What IQ predicts". Read, read, read.

434 Patricia Kayden  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 6:06:55pm

Wonder why Derby and his ilk are so afraid of Black people. He almost makes it seem that Blacks are some mythological group of hysterical beasties swarming around attacking innocent White people. AT ALL TIMES. My understanding is that the crime rate is going down. And I live in Southern Maryland in a racially mixed neighborhood and have yet to be victimized. But maybe it's because I am one of those dreaded Blacks.

With Whites like Derby, there's no wonder that you have George Zimmermans shooting down unarmed Black teenagers. And getting away with it.

435 Flavia  Sat, Apr 7, 2012 8:49:10pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

Well, it's hard for THEM to find people you don't think are racist - their circles are really small!

(The saddest part about the article above? Reverse the colors, & for a good chunk of it, you could have all the black parents out there telling their kids how to avoid being Trayvon Martin.)


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