TwitterFacebook

The Convergence of Glenn Greenwald and Rand Paul’s “Southern Avenger”

Messengers are actually pretty important
Politics • Views: 27,398
Former Rand Paul adviser Jack Hunter, in his “Southern Avenger” mask.

In the middle of a pretty fascinating rant about Bruce Fein (who is acting as Lon Snowden’s lawyer, Lon being Edward’s father) on NSFW, I saw something that actually made me lose some more respect for Greenwald, which I didn’t think was possible. His associations with the racist Pauls is pretty bad, but they at least are part of an actual power structure and you can make a case for working with them on legislation.

But the article, rather casually, revealed that Glenn Greenwald had been a speaker on something fatuously named The Young American Liberty Tour “with three civil liberties experts,” titled “The War on Terrorism, Civil Liberties, and the Constitution’.”

That’s a lot of liberty.

The other two experts were that selfsame Bruce Fein, a weird perpetual GOP sleazeball, and Jacob Hornberger, who thinks the US was better off before the Civil War.

The real 5-alarm bell-ringer, though, was the moderator, Jack Hunter, the goddamn luchador of the losers, the Southern Avenger.

Vimeo

yaliberty.org
yaliberty.org

The topics covered were:

Habeas corpus, the PATRIOT Act, extraordinary rendition, torture, regime change, and a general discussion about how the war on terrorism has infringed upon the rights of U.S. citizens in the name of making us safe.

I do not think the agenda was big on voting rights, anti-discrimination (since I know that Hornberger supports the right of businesses to discriminate) or other civil liberties for black people.

I do not understand how any man with any shred of integrity as a ‘civil rights’ speaker can share the stage with someone named the Southern Avenger. Even the Southern Defender, I could slightly imagine. But vengeance implies someone who thinks a wrong has been done to the South, that there is some reckoning against the enemies of the South that has to come. And that is the really fucking scary kind of racism.

en.wikipedia.org

If people do think the NSA story is super-important, they should be hoping beyond hope that Glenn Greenwald gets distracted by something else. He is a horrible journalist and a worse advocate.

Jump to bottom

442 comments

1 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 8:05:50pm

In case anyone thinks I’m smearing Jack Hunter:


John Wilkes Booth Was Right

This Wednesday, April 14th, is the 139th anniversary of the assassination of Abraham Lincoln. Although Lincoln’s assassin, John Wilkes Booth’s heart was in the right place, the Southern Avenger does regret that Lincoln’s murder automatically turned him into a martyr. American heroes like Thomas Jefferson and Robert E. Lee have been unfairly attacked in recent years, but Abraham Lincoln is still regarded as a saint. Well, he wasn’t it - far from it. In fact, not only was Abraham Lincoln the worst President, but one of the worst figures in American history.

Imagine you entered into an agreement with a friend. Your friend then decides to gain the upper hand at your expense. For your own good, you decide to back out and go your own way. But instead of letting bygones be bygones, your friend burns your house down, rapes your sister and forces you to re-enter the agreement at gun point. This is pretty much what Lincoln did to the Southern people.

2 Kragar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 8:10:49pm

“Tell me what company you keep and I’ll tell you what you are.”

3 Gus  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 8:11:21pm

Full disclosure. Why doesn’t Glenn Greenwald reveal that he was once at a conference moderated by the Southern Avenger?

4 jaunte  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 8:12:38pm

Jack Hunter sure is worried about black Presidential over-reach.

5 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 8:13:17pm

Charles, you forgot to mention that Greenwald is a horrible person.

6 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 8:14:04pm

re: #3 Gus

Not just once. Twice. And shared the stage with people who literally want to take civil rights away from black people, and yet they’re civil liberties experts.

Here’s Jack Hornberger saying that liberals are hypocrites for being okay with people not allowing black people into their houses but getting all mad when businesses ban black people.

capcityfreepress.blogspot.com

7 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 8:14:59pm

Wow…
Glenn, you piece of shit.

8 b.d.  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 8:15:06pm

Nice little group of friends you got there Glenn.

9 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 8:15:20pm

You know you are old when you lie down to rest your back and wake up 3 hours later.

Just to find out Greenwald is still an asshole.

10 blueraven  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 8:19:44pm

The fact that Jack Hunter is a “frequent guest” on Michael Savage’s radio show speaks volumes.

11 Gus  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 8:33:40pm

Ground control to Major Tom.

12 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 8:35:27pm
13 austin_blue  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 8:40:44pm

Anybody call him a Mudperson during that tour?

Not kidding.

14 darthstar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 8:40:57pm
15 [deleted]  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 8:41:15pm
16 Gus  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 8:41:31pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

I remember being in Manhattan once as a child and this hippie chick (I mean it was THAT era) in a mini-skirt grabbed my head and said “oh you have such beautiful blonde hair.” Stood out so I remembered.

17 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 8:41:55pm

So it begins.

18 darthstar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 8:43:10pm

re: #15 JeffersonObama

Is that Gauvin?

19 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 8:43:23pm

re: #15 JeffersonObama

not a greenwald fan, but whaT is the big deal here if he was just at a conference with this guy? Many people probably attended.

He wasn’t just at a conference with him. Jack Hunter “moderated” the speakers. Glenn Greenwald spoke about ‘civil liberties’ alongside people who want to take civil liberties away from black people, while MCed by a guy who thinks that Lincoln raped the South.

20 Gus  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 8:43:26pm

re: #18 darthstar

Is that Gauvin?

Think so.

21 austin_blue  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 8:45:35pm

re: #15 JeffersonObama

not a greenwald fan, but whaT is the big deal here if he was just at a conference with this guy? Many people probably attended.

Tour, dude, tour.

Granted that The GG is an extremely short, self-loathing little Jewish guy, but really? Sharing the stage with an asshole who routinely wears a Confederate Swastika mask?

Really?

22 darthstar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 8:46:12pm
23 andres  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 8:48:58pm

re: #15 JeffersonObama

If the conference had one questionable speaker among dozens, I’d agree with you.

This is not the case.

If the conference had made it secret their true alliance to anyone but the absolute loyal, I’d agree with you.

This is not the case either.

This was a conference where their real thoughts were on display, and questionable speakers were a dime the dozen.

GG pretends to be a Civil Rights Champion. He’s just an egocentric, lying bully. And a mediocre one at best.

24 AlexRogan  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 8:50:11pm

re: #15 JeffersonObama

not a greenwald fan, but whaT is the big deal here if he was just at a conference with this guy? Many people probably attended.

WTF?

I don’t know about you, but a good indicator of one’s character is the company that you keep and GG’s company sucks canal water.

This is not a one-off.

25 [deleted]  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 8:50:33pm
26 sauceruney  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 8:53:34pm

[dudebro]THE NSA LEAK ISN’T ABOUT THE LEAKERRRRRRRR, IT’S THE INFORMATION!!!!![/dudebro]

27 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 8:53:52pm

re: #25 JeffersonObama

just because he went to this conference doesn’t mean Greenwald shares their views. (he might, but I don’t know. Greenwald might also disagree with the Southern Avenger.)

He didn’t ‘go’ to the conference. He was a speaker on a ‘civil liberties’ tour MCed by someone who thinks that black people should apologize to white people for high black crime rates.

Why do you keep putting it as though he just attended, rather than being on of the speakers?

28 sagehen  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 8:55:11pm

re: #25 JeffersonObama

just because he went to this conference doesn’t mean Greenwald shares their views. (he might, but I don’t know. Greenwald might also disagree with the Southern Avenger.)

Are you deliberately misunderstanding?

He didn’t just “go to this conference” — it was a multi-city tour, unabashed racist was the moderator, Greenwald was featured panelist. They worked together for many, many days presenting this program.

29 AlexRogan  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 8:55:30pm

re: #25 JeffersonObama

just because he went to this conference doesn’t mean Greenwald shares their views. (he might, but I don’t know. Greenwald might also disagree with the Southern Avenger.)

For someone who said that they’re “not a Greenwald fan”, you’ve spent the first two posts of your LGF life defending appearances (as in, more than once) on this conference tour with a damn racist/bigoted SOB, one that was (until recently) the chief-of-staff of a sitting GOP senator (Rand Paul).

What do you have to say about that?

30 jaunte  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 9:00:21pm


Retweeted by Jeff Gauvin

31 Lidane  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 9:00:29pm

re: #9 b_sharp

You know you are old when you lie down to rest your back and wake up 3 hours later.

Just to find out Greenwald is still an asshole.

Change “back” to “knee” and the same thing happened to me tonight.

32 andres  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 9:00:48pm

re: #28 sagehen

Are you deliberately misunderstanding?

He didn’t just “go to this conference” — it was a multi-city tour, unabashed racist was the moderator, Greenwald was featured panelist. They worked together for many, many days presenting this program.

[dudebro]You don’t understand!! GG, Not-My-Hero was wandering aimlessly in the conference working on THE NEXT BOMBSHELL!!!!11 when he entered the room by accident and looked for an empty seat. The only empty seat in that conference room was on the panelists’ table.

Leave GG alone. /whimper
[/dudebro]

// Need I say it?

33 Gus  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 9:01:54pm

re: #30 jaunte

[Embedded content]


Retweeted by Jeff Gauvin

[Boonk]

34 [deleted]  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 9:03:43pm
35 Simply Sarah  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 9:04:22pm

I just don’t get it. How can you even pretend to speak on “civil liberties” supposedly in conjunction with people that specifically are against said liberties for large sections of the population? This is beyond libertarian “we don’t need the various CRAs.” This is just farce.

36 Gus  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 9:04:55pm

Wait. Read.

37 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 9:05:00pm

re: #34 JeffersonObama

why do my comments have red negative numbers next to them, while others comments have green positive numbers?

We’re all out of green negative numbers today. The red ones are prettier anyway.

38 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 9:05:04pm

re: #34 JeffersonObama

This is one of the mysteries of the universe. We have meditated upon this for twenty blang, but have never reached a conclusion.

Some say the red numbers are the ghosts of revolutions past, haunting those who dare to dream. Others say the green numbers represent the secret Sharia law to which everyone a LGF has sworn allegiance.

39 Gus  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 9:05:09pm

The squabbling Edward Snowden suitors share more than their mutual adoration for the Paul dynasty. Last year, Glenn Greenwald and Bruce Fein did two major college campus tours together, one in winter 2012, and another in autumn 2012. The Greenwald-Fein tours were by sponsored by two pro-Ron Paul libertarian outfits: Young Americans for Liberty (YAL), a Ron PaulJugend outfit; and the Future of Freedom Foundation (FFF), a libertarian outfit specializing in publishing far-right “historical revisionism” about who’s really to blame for the Civil War and World War II, along with the usual libertarian drivel attacking public schools, civil rights laws, social welfare programs, and regulations on the tobacco industry.

40 sauceruney  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 9:06:21pm

re: #34 JeffersonObama

Because the people who rated you negatively thought you deserved it, and those of us who didn’t rate you negatively thought maybe you’d figure out why, but you haven’t… so get ready for more.

41 jaunte  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 9:06:57pm

re: #35 Simply Sarah

At about 1:10 of the video, Greenwald makes a pitch to ignore any ‘partisan’ differences in favor of forming a coalition of citizens to fight for freedom.

42 darthstar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 9:07:27pm

re: #34 JeffersonObama

why do my comments have red negative numbers next to them, while others comments have green positive numbers?

You’re not making a great first impression. How about taking a breath, thinking about how you want to be received, and introduce yourself…maybe let people know where you stand on Greenwald (he’s not super popular around here, but differing opinions are still welcome so long as they’re respectful).

43 AlexRogan  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 9:08:10pm

re: #34 JeffersonObama

why do my comments have red negative numbers next to them, while others comments have green positive numbers?

It’s a post rating system; basically, there are some posters who think you’re full of it (myself included).

44 blueraven  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 9:09:00pm

re: #15 JeffersonObama

not a greenwald fan, but whaT is the big deal here if he was just at a conference with this guy? Many people probably attended.

It is cynical at best, much like the rest of Greenwalds act.
He was for anything the govt thought was appropriate for national security back in 2004/5.
He has been playing this civil liberties “game” now for a while and he cant even admit that there have been some improvements under Obama.
He is a modern day Lenny Bruce without the humor or intellect. All about Me me me and how the govt is persecuting ME.

He speaks of principles but participates in this crap with the freaking Southern Avenger? Please.
One does not have to share the views while helping to promote them. It is cynical though, no?

45 Gus  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 9:09:10pm

Oh shit. Bamm!

Ron and Rand Paul. Libertarianism. The Confederacy. Revisionist history. Paranoia and alarmist terror over Big Government drones watching your every move, reading your every word….The names and themes repeat themselves over and over, and at some point, if a journalist retains the proper skepticism, you have to wonder where the real story about government surveillance ends, and where the paranoid libertarian fantasies about drones hovering outside their bedroom windows begin, reality and fantasy each bleeding into the other… As our faith in the old 20th century liberal constructs have collapsed without anything to replace it, it’s looking more and more like we’ve been sucked into a far weirder construct, someone else’s paranoid reality, like in those early PKD novels — with Ron Paul as our Palmer Eldritch, Rand Paul our Eye In The Sky.

46 sagehen  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 9:11:19pm

re: #34 JeffersonObama

why do my comments have red negative numbers next to them, while others comments have green positive numbers?

Audience response.

47 darthstar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 9:13:51pm

My guess is Greenwald went to said conference because he was paid to be there. Whether he’s as big a racist as the Southern Avenger is debatable, but if the price is right he’ll stand beside him and say what he’s asked.

48 jaunte  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 9:14:40pm

re: #47 darthstar

He didn’t just stand beside him, he advocated for an alliance.

49 AlexRogan  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 9:15:30pm

re: #47 darthstar

My guess is Greenwald went to said conference because he was paid to be there. Whether he’s as big a racist as the Southern Avenger is debatable, but if the price is right he’ll stand beside him and say what he’s asked.

The reason why is immaterial, the fact that he willingly shared the stage with Hunter (and the rest of the speakers on that tour) speaks volumes about GG’s intent.

50 darthstar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 9:19:11pm

re: #48 jaunte

He didn’t just stand beside him, he advocated for an alliance.

True…and he did it for money.
re: #49 AlexRogan

The reason why is immaterial, the fact that he willingly shared the stage with Hunter (and the rest of the speakers on that tour) speaks volumes about GG’s intent.

Agreed. Was just commenting on his character, or lack thereof.

51 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 9:20:15pm

re: #41 jaunte

At about 1:10 of the video, Greenwald makes a pitch to ignore any ‘partisan’ differences in favor of forming a coalition of citizens to fight for freedom.

Yeah. Greenwald wasn’t there to have some challenging debate, to call the others out on their support for businesses banning black people. He was there to say people who are concerned about the war on terror should work with these guys. That people who are concerned about the war on drugs should work with these guys.

There seems to be a really concerted, earnest attempt going on by the libertarians to try to suck in left-wingers. I think they don’t realize that the vast majority of those that they pull in are going to be the anti-state kind who didn’t vote for Obama anyway.

52 darthstar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 9:20:57pm
53 Amory Blaine  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 9:25:57pm

re: #34 JeffersonObama

Ha. I almost want to upding that one. Almost.

54 austin_blue  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 9:26:28pm

re: #31 Lidane

Change “back” to “knee” and the same thing happened to me tonight.

You busted up your knee? Ouch. Sympathies.

55 SnowdenBaggerVance  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 9:29:35pm

re: #25 JeffersonObama

just because he went to this conference doesn’t mean Greenwald shares their views. (he might, but I don’t know. Greenwald might also disagree with the Southern Avenger.)

No, they’re not all about Civil Liberties. Greenwald is just reporting so you can decide, fairly and balanced-ly.

Some people say.

56 freetoken  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 9:29:41pm

“luchador of the losers” - love it.

57 Amory Blaine  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 9:30:21pm

How does one join the Greenwald Army? Membership affords a neat-o coloring books and some groovy stickers!!!!

58 Interesting Times  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 9:32:03pm

re: #18 darthstar

Is that Gauvin?

He’s using the same name, but it could be an imposter/troll for all we know (in other words, I’m hoping that’s the case, because these kinds of comments don’t seem to be in character for him…)

59 darthstar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 9:32:27pm

Good to see other people enjoy fucking with the paranoid sect. (not saying Bob Cesca is pat of that sect, mind you…he was just responding to Mother Jones)

60 darthstar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 9:32:54pm

re: #58 Interesting Times

He’s using the same name, but it could be an imposter/troll for all we know (in other words, I’m hoping that’s the case, because these kinds of comments don’t seem to be in character for him…)

Exactly.

61 Kragar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 9:33:26pm

re: #57 Amory Blaine

How does one join the Greenwald Army? Membership affords a neat-o coloring books and some groovy stickers!!!!

Step one) Take a solemn oath
Step two) Flee the country

62 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 9:42:37pm

Good night.

eve-online.in

Zoom in with mouse wheel for awesomeness.

63 jaunte  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 9:42:57pm
64 Kragar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 9:52:28pm

Prosecutor: No race motive in shooting of Australian in Oklahoma

Stephens County District Attorney Jason Hicks said while authorities were aware of the comments made by Edwards, there was not enough evidence to pursue extra charges.

“At this point, the evidence does not support the theory that Christopher Lane was targeted based upon his race or nationality,” Hicks said in a statement.

“The evidence is insufficient to establish that race was the primary motive in the murder of Christopher Lane.”

In separate posts on Twitter earlier this year, Edwards spoke of his “hatred” of white people.

“90% of white ppl are nasty. #HATE THEM,” read one tweet.

In another post Edwards claimed to have assaulted several “woods” — a derogatory slang term for white people — following the acquittal of George Zimmerman for the killing of black teenager Trayvon Martin in Florida.

Hicks later reiterated to CNN that he did not believe the crime was racially motivated. He noted that Luna came from a mixed race family, and that the third teenager arrested with the duo, 17-year-old Michael Dewayne Jones, was white.

“I have nothing in my files, paperwork or audio recordings that suggest that Christopher Lane was killed because of his race or nationality,” Hicks said on CNN.

Police have said Edwards and Luna shot Lane because they were “bored.”

“They were bored and just wanted to see someone die,” Duncan police chief Danny Ford told US media.

Hicks agreed that Ford’s explanation appeared to be the most likely.

“I tend to think that the police chief’s comments, that is they did it out of boredom are probably accurate,” Hicks said.

65 darthstar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 9:58:47pm
66 austin_blue  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 10:07:01pm

re: #64 Kragar

Prosecutor: No race motive in shooting of Australian in Oklahoma

Well, there *was* that white kid in the car which Drudge conveniently left off of his story.

Didn’t fit the narrative, I suppose. What an asshole.

Anywho, I’m off for the rack. Big fitba day tomorrow in the UK. Fun fun fun!

67 darthstar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 10:13:58pm
68 darthstar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 10:15:14pm

Obdi, Charles…this story is getting a lot of attention where it hurts Greenwald most - on Twitter. Well done.

69 sagehen  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 10:18:30pm

re: #64 Kragar

Prosecutor: No race motive in shooting of Australian in Oklahoma

“”They were bored and just wanted to see someone die,” Duncan police chief Danny Ford told US media.”

Obviously, country music culture is degrading the nation’s morals…

Youtube Video

70 Emoprog Refugee  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 10:34:18pm

Googling Young Americans For Liberty brings up this site with a cute, inviting youtube video embedded which, in its first 8 secs, tells you it’s the nation’s largest and fastest growing libertarian and conservative organization. About half way through its 2 min 16 seconds, you discover that Young Americans for Liberty is allied with Americans for Prosperity, the American Majority, The Campaign for Liberty, Freedom Works and the Leadership Institute, and that its goals are to win at least 25 elections on behalf of these fine institutes. You also get hit up for a donation. They’re pretty up front about who they are. No beating around any bushes whatsoever.

So, I have to wonder what on earth a fine, dudebro, progressive, far-left liberal journalist such as Glenn Greenwald was doing, trying to help win at least 25 elections on behalf of the AFP, Freedom Works, the Leadership Institute and the American Majority. Did he, exemplary journalist (cough) that he is, not realize what the goals of the organization he was speaking for were? Did he just not do even a 3 minute google on Young Americans for Liberty? I find that very hard to believe. Or will he just speak for anyone who will pay him enough? Would the KKK be a group he wouldn’t directly associate himself with? How about Fred Phelps?

71 Lidane  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 10:45:44pm

re: #54 austin_blue

You busted up your knee? Ouch. Sympathies.

Aggravated an old injury. I hurt my knee many years ago. Had it checked by a specialist, MRI and all. He said I had a torn ligament, but it was such a tiny tear they couldn’t do anything for me since surgery would be excessive. It flares up from time to time. I’ve gotten used to it over the years.

Slipped and fell a week ago while out with friends. Knee’s been sore ever since. I’m resting a lot and trying to take care of it best I can. If I don’t see improvement soon, I’ll be heading to the doctor.

72 Kragar  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 10:48:23pm

Republican Rep. Joyce: Unemployment caused by drunk, high workforce not lack of jobs

Joyce (R-OH), spoke with the Stow-Munroe Falls Chamber of Commerce this week about the economy and Congress. He told them that there are millions of jobs going unfilled in America “because they either can’t find people to come to work sober, daily, drug-free and want to learn the necessary skills going forward to be able to do those jobs.”

It is a given that millions of jobs will be unfilled at least temporarily in the natural churn of the economy during good times and bad, according to Department of Labor data, but Joyce chalked up his assertion that the unemployed were simply people who were drunk or drug users to anecdotal feedback from business owners, the Huffington Post reported.

“3.9 million jobs go unfilled in this country each month,” Joyce’s spokeswoman Christyn Keyes said to the Huffington Post. “Rep. Joyce sees that as an enormous problem and to fix a problem, you must accurately diagnose it. Rep. Joyce has made it a top priority to meet with small business owners and job creators and a concern that comes up time and time again is substance abuse among the workforce and adequate workforce training. …Rep. Joyce came to Washington to be a fact-based problem solver and during this 20-second clip of a 15-minute speech,” she added, “he was simply sharing the concerns of small-business owners with other local business leaders.”

73 Amory Blaine  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:02:28pm

Sooo by his estimations it’s not Obamas fault UE is so high (default GOP position), it’s that Americans are too drunk, high, lazy and corrupt to get jobs. His “accurate diagnosis” doesn’t include the fact that in a country of 310 million people, that there will be millions of unfilled jobs at any one time, always.

74 Amory Blaine  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:23:51pm

GOP Legislature Altered Wisconsin Constitution Webpage; Changes Mislead on Voting Rights

The Wisconsin Legislature’s webpage on Suffrage, voting, has been changed while under GOP control since 2011.

The following misleading sentence has been added: “An Indiana statute requiring citizens voting in person on election day, or casting a ballot in person at the office of the circuit court clerk prior to election day, to present photo identification issued by the government did not violate constitutional standards. Crawford v. Marion County Election Board, 553 U.S. 181, 128 S. Ct. 1610, 170 L. Ed. 2d 574 (2008).”

This is the first time such a naked display of partisanship has been on display on what used to be a non-political webpage on the Wisconsin Constitution maintained under the auspices of the Wisconsin Legislature. The URL is: docs.legis.wisconsin.gov .

Lasers and yada yada…

75 simoom  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:39:11pm

I was over at hotair seeing how they were reacting to some of these stories (still mostly uber-anti-gov’t-conspiratorial & pro-Snowden/Greenwald) but a couple of people arguing the other side posted something I hadn’t seen before.

Apparently back in 2006, a number of RW blogs, based on IP logs, speculation and general writing style were accusing Greenwald of frequently operating sock puppet accounts to essentially argue his greatness on their forums:

patterico.com

Yeah, sock-puppetry isn’t a particularly big deal, but still interesting.

76 sagehen  Fri, Aug 23, 2013 11:48:11pm

I’m going OT since it’s so slow.

Podcast rec:

Welcome to Nightvale
podbay.fm

It’s sort of… Prairie Home Companion for a Lovecraftian sort of town. But funny. There’s 29 episodes so far (new eps every two weeks), about 20 minutes each.

Reminder: dogs are not allowed in the dog park. People are not allowed in the dog park. Do not look at the dog park. All hail the glow cloud.

77 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:03:39am

re: #64 Kragar

Prosecutor: No race motive in shooting of Australian in Oklahoma

This is a problem I have related to hate crimes legislation. How can we assign motives without the ability to see into people’s souls? Sometimes we can only guess, and guess poorly based on limited evidence.

Example: a gang member (one white, one black) kills another over a drug/weapons deal gone bad.

Is it drug violence, gang violence or racial violence?

As long as the sentencing reflects the severity of the crime, I am fine with that.

78 freetoken  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:17:42am

re: #75 simoom

Greenwald is famous… er, infamous… around these parts for his sock-puppetry.

79 freetoken  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:27:28am
80 majii  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:29:16am

re: #15 JeffersonObama

Have you ever heard of the old saying that you’re known by the company you keep?

I don’t know about anyone else, but I tend to stay as far away from some people as I can get. To name a few—-close-minded individuals, hypocrites, liars, bigots, and racists, among other unsavory individuals. I have a low tolerance for these kinds of people, and I guess it goes back to seeing the world through a child’s eyes when I was a kid growing up in the South under segregation. I don’t care if I have one thing in common with someone. If they fit into any of the aforementioned groups, I avoid them like the bubonic plague because I know it won’t be long before they rub me the wrong way and get on my last nerve. Plus, I have a standard I live by—there is no excuse for certain behaviors, attitudes, or beliefs, especially the types that harm others in some way that is totally unnecessary.

81 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 1:06:06am

re: #80 majii

I joined this site back when it was a lot more conservative, but I found the arguments reasonable and well presented.

But there are some conservatives/moonbats who are beyond discourse, we can only hope to limit the amount of damage they can cause

82 dog philosopher  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 1:10:26am

re: #79 freetoken

[Embedded content]

very nice! what is it?

83 dog philosopher  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 1:18:12am

hmm, the filename says it’s a “dumka”, and it turns out that dumkas were written by dvorak, martinu, tchaichovski and janacek

84 dog philosopher  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 1:28:38am

dvorak!

85 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:01:59am

You don’t know Dvorak!

86 Kragar  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:21:46am

Well, its official.

I’m now 40 years old.

Youtube Video

87 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:28:20am

re: #86 Kragar

Well, its official.

I’m now 40 years old.

[Embedded content]

I am trying to remember my 40th birthday…

88 freetoken  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:32:00am

re: #86 Kragar

MP3 Audio

89 Amory Blaine  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:51:14am

re: #86 Kragar

Welcome to the club old timer ;)

90 Amory Blaine  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:55:59am

We Got It Wrong

A piece on Chelsea Manning and prison violence on The Daily Beast creates outrage among readers. We respond.

91 Amory Blaine  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 3:31:54am

Wake up you lazy bums!!!!!

92 Lancelot Link  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 3:37:36am

re: #70 Emoprog Refugee

Would the KKK be a group he wouldn’t directly associate himself with?

Of course he would. He represented the World Church of the Creator, didn’t he?

93 BongCrodny  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 4:18:39am

re: #86 Kragar

Well, its official.

I’m now 40 years old.

[Embedded content]

Cheers.

Forty

I’m celebrating my 18th 40th birthday this year.

94 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 4:23:05am

Not to forget thei Jimmy Buffet classic

95 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 4:50:48am

The chair of Oregon’s GOP wants to sprinkle nuclear waste from airplanes. Or put it in the drinking water.

motherjones.com

Robinson, who has a Ph.D. in chemistry, has marketed himself for the last three decades as an expert on everything from nuclear fallout to AIDS to climate science in the pages of a monthly newsletter, Access to Energy, which he published from his compound in the small town of Cave Junction. A quick glance at his writings, which were publicized during his ill-fated challenges to DeFazio, suggest that whatever the failings of the previous party leadership—Democrats now hold all statewide elected offices and control both houses of the state Legislature—Robinson brings with him a new set of challenges entirely.

On nuclear waste: “All we need do with nuclear waste is dilute it to a low radiation level and sprinkle it over the ocean—or even over America after hormesis is better understood and verified with respect to more diseases.” And: “If we could use it to enhance our own drinking water here in Oregon, where background radiation is low, it would hormetically enhance our resistance to degenerative diseases. Alas, this would be against the law.”

96 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 4:54:55am

re: #86 Kragar

Well, its official.

I’m now 40 years old.

[Embedded content]

Happy BD! The 40s can be wonderful and interesting, as can any decade—you can be in your best physical shape with exercise and eating right, and your brain should be functioning at high capacity with the wisdom of education and experience. Or you can throw in the towel and see it as the beginning of the end and engender all kinds of problems for yourself.

I took the first route and it has served me well in many ways, if not financially, which has never been my game anyway.

You have to put up with a lot of people who take the second route, though, and see age as their enemy. If you embrace it, it will serve you well.

97 Flounder  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 5:02:06am

re: #95 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I’m not a chemist, and I don’t play one on t.v, but I thought background radiation was bad for you? I mean, when humans are sent to Mars, when they get back, will they be super-mutant-humans!? Now I wanna sign up for Mars!

I can’t write for shit, moar coffee!

98 steve_davis  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 5:05:06am

re: #16 Gus

I remember being in Manhattan once as a child and this hippie chick (I mean it was THAT era) in a mini-skirt grabbed my head and said “oh you have such beautiful blonde hair.” Stood out so I remembered.

Probably felt patronizing at the time, but I bet you wish like hell some hippie chick would grab your head now and tell you what beautiful blonde hair you have!

99 steve_davis  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 5:10:32am

re: #34 JeffersonObama

why do my comments have red negative numbers next to them, while others comments have green positive numbers?

Because this isn’t RawStory or Huffingpaint Post and bullshit excuses for Greenwald don’t play well here.

100 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 5:15:38am

The left should face it: GG is a political whore and will associate with anyone he thinks pushes his own agenda: making GG rich and famous. This is all about narcissistic over-reaching, a phenomenon that appears to be in full bloom these days amongst a varied segment of society—first expressed by Andy Warhol through his collection of these types.

GG is just a huckster who’s just interested in filling his pockets by throwing political bombs—along the lines of Sarah Palin who never saw a dollar she didn’t like. He’s not interested in other people or their opinions, even if he’s wrong, a general feature of narcissism, unless they become his useful idiots.

101 freetoken  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 5:16:25am

re: #95 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

The chair of Oregon’s GOP wants to sprinkle nuclear waste from airplanes. Or put it in the drinking water.

motherjones.com

Should probably resurrect my old Pages on Art Robinson. They were among the first when Charles expanded our ability to make posts.

Robinson has pushed this idea about radioactivity. I have suggested before that someone ought to look into his previous wife’s death, which may have been preventable.

Oh, here it is:

Presenting the GOP’s newest star: Arthur Robinson

Some things just don’t change very quickly.

102 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 5:31:54am

50th anniversity of March on Washington, live video: nbcnews.com

103 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 5:39:38am

Welp.

104 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 5:40:57am

re: #95 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

The chair of Oregon’s GOP wants to sprinkle nuclear waste from airplanes. Or put it in the drinking water.

motherjones.com

The GOP let the genie out of the bottle by not immediately swatting down the anti-science faction, and now it has bred a whole legion of little Lysenkos, out to turn America into some twisted experiment in bad science.

105 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 6:00:53am

Speaking of media figures…

Who Are the Highest Paid Media Figures on TV? mediaite.com

Figures it would be a comedian.

OTOH, Sarah Palin has been reduced to the paltry sum of $250K/yr—still far too much for a Know-Nothing like her who actually thought she coulda been a contender.

106 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 6:07:49am

Welp.re: #105 Justanotherhuman

Speaking of media figures…

Who Are the Highest Paid Media Figures on TV? mediaite.com

Figures it would be a comedian.

OTOH, Sarah Palin has been reduced to the paltry sum of $250K/yr—still far too much for a Know-Nothing like her who actually thought she coulda been a contender.

$250K/yr for a very part time gig?

107 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 6:15:11am

re: #106 Gus

Welp.

$250K/yr for a very part time gig?

Yes, and she must have sucked up a lot to even get that. You can’t keep up 2 large houses in 2 states and a bunch of ignorant, non-educated kids on that kind of money. I’m waiting to see which house or kid gets sold first.

108 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 6:18:05am
109 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 6:20:53am
110 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 6:21:29am

re: #87 Sol Berdinowitz

I am trying to remember my 40th birthday…

My guess is that Kragar is, too.

111 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 6:26:05am

re: #106 Gus

Welp.

$250K/yr for a very part time gig?

Wordfare Queen.

112 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 6:28:24am

re: #109 Gus

[Embedded content]

Common children’s med of my generation:

Paregoric.

en.wikipedia.org

113 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 6:29:50am

re: #112 Decatur Deb

Common children’s med of my generation:

Paregoric.

en.wikipedia.org

OK kids! Time for your opium syrup!

114 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 6:32:17am

re: #113 Gus

OK kids! Time for your opium syrup!

Relieved the fuss of teething. (Fur reel.)

115 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 6:32:38am

Morning, all. Given the topic of the thread and the clubbed troll, I’d best post this straightaway:

Youtube Video

116 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 6:34:26am

re: #114 Decatur Deb

Relieved the fuss of teething. (Fur reel.)

I bet. Like a morphine drip. //

117 CarolJ  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 6:38:10am

re: #77 Sol Berdinowitz

One way is to ask if they are members of certain groups. A member of the Aryan Nations, et al. who kills a minority can be presumed to have some racial animus. Or go by statements.

The intent of hate crimes legislation is to forestall the kind of violence that happened before the laws: ad hoc groups that while not formally organized, would meet to intimidate those groups that were minorities. And where the intent was to make those groups afraid due to that violence. For that violence was often directed at the most outspoken, successful members of the minority.

118 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 6:42:04am

Hahaha, and SP’s “Christmas book” is #377,069 on Amazon and ready for the $1 bin in pre-publish orders.

Image: 123psoi.jpg

119 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 6:44:12am

re: #117 CarolJ

One way is to ask if they are members of certain groups. A member of the Aryan Nations, et al. who kills a minority can be presumed to have some racial animus. Or go by statements.

The intent of hate crimes legislation is to forestall the kind of violence that happened before the laws: ad hoc groups that while not formally organized, would meet to intimidate those groups that were minorities. And where the intent was to make those groups afraid due to that violence. For that violence was often directed at the most outspoken, successful members of the minority.

Arayan Nation or KK are pretty clear-cut instances, but what about an all-white or all-black street gang? Are they a racially motivated organization, or simply one from an all-white/black neighborhood that has come together out of a sense of mutual protection/self interest?

120 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 6:44:25am

re: #118 Justanotherhuman

Hahaha, and SP’s “Christmas book” is #377,069 and ready for the $1 bin in pre-publish orders.

Image: 123psoi.jpg

Her word salad still won’t sell at that price. Those books are headed for recycling, which will hopefully remaking them into toilet paper, a duty for which they are well suited.

121 Dave In Austin  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 6:47:17am

re: #113 Gus

Memories…… I used to be given this that stuff for stomach cramps from the flu. It had to be the worst tasting medicine I have ever ingested (only peyote is worse…)

122 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 6:55:16am

Syria.
Assad: crazy.
Rebels: crazy.
100,000 dead.
1,000 dead allegedly by chemical weapons.
1,000,000 refugees…

Possibility of cruise missile strikes?

Lights hair on fire.

123 ObserverArt  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 6:55:19am

I wish I had known that this Young American Liberty meeting was taking place on the Ohio State campus. I’d have bought some eggs, maybe a rotten tomato or two and tried to see if I could have /deilvered/ them after their appearance.

One thing about being in the Columbus area is the political activity. Over the last few elections we’ve been ground zero for all kinds of rally’s, drives, speeches and the like.

I can’t wait ‘til Rand Paul pops into town.

124 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 6:59:07am

re: #122 Gus

Syria.
Assad: crazy.
Rebels: crazy.
100,000 dead.
1,000 dead allegedly by chemical weapons.
1,000,000 refugees…

Possibility of cruise missile strikes?

Lights hair on fire.

Some the rebels are sane, but others are Islamists, who violent proclivities we have come to know well.

125 SnowdenBaggerVance  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 6:59:46am

I’m not sure what we’re supposed to do in Syria. Political and economic pressure, sure.

But beyond that I’m at a loss.

126 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 7:00:54am

re: #125 Carlos Diggler

I’m not sure what we’re supposed to do in Syria. Political and economic pressure, sure.

But beyond that I’m at a loss.

I think the rebels should give up but that’s just me.

127 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 7:03:51am

re: #125 Carlos Diggler

I’m not sure what we’re supposed to do in Syria. Political and economic pressure, sure.

But beyond that I’m at a loss.

We’re supposed to guess who the good guys are and back them to the hilt with lives, reputation and treasure. Got a 20-sided die?

128 b.d.  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 7:04:09am

re: #125 Carlos Diggler

I’m not sure what we’re supposed to do in Syria. Political and economic pressure, sure.

But beyond that I’m at a loss.

This should be a French run deal whatever it is.

129 Bubblehead II  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 7:07:06am

Morning Lizards.

130 b.d.  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 7:08:24am

Shocked at this claim!:

(Reuters) - Syrian state television said soldiers found chemical materials on Saturday in tunnels that had been used by rebels, rejecting blame for a nerve gas attack that killed hundreds this week and heightened Western calls for foreign intervention.

Link

131 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 7:08:29am


Or one person working one year making $8.65/hr.

132 SnowdenBaggerVance  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 7:09:38am

We can just fly in some SEALs, then Haliburton and Blackwater. Done deal.

If Obama doesn’t do that then all Syria’s deaths are on his hands while he plays another round of (probably very bad) golf.

Do I need a sarc tag?

133 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 7:10:17am

“I shall give you this shard of space rock if thou be my servant for one year in which I give you minimum wage.”

134 darthstar  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 7:16:57am
135 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 7:17:14am

re: #130 b.d.

Shocked at this claim!:

Link

I’m not. The rebels have the usual suspects in their ranks. I wouldn’t put anything past them including killing their own people. But that’s just a conspiracy on my part since nothing is proven here other than the usual suspects ways.

136 SnowdenBaggerVance  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 7:19:01am

Mommy, why does the South need to be avenged?

137 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 7:19:01am

re: #135 Gus

I’m not. The rebels have the usual suspects in their ranks. I wouldn’t put anything past them including killing their own people. But that’s just a conspiracy on my part since nothing is proven here other than the usual suspects ways.

Agreed, not that I want to believe the worst of these folks, but there’s too much to gain for them by staging an attack on their own people and pinning it on the Assad regime.

138 b.d.  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 7:21:43am

re: #135 Gus

I’m not. The rebels have the usual suspects in their ranks. I wouldn’t put anything past them including killing their own people. But that’s just a conspiracy on my part since nothing is proven here other than the usual suspects ways.

We need to stay as far away from this as possible.

The linked article says that UN inspectors are on the ground and that Russia has said that the Syrian government should cooperate with them to find out the truth.

139 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 7:36:35am

“I don’t usually admire Sarah Palin, but when she was making fun of this ‘hopey-changey’ stuff, she was right,” the noted linguist told Democracy Now.

140 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 7:37:48am

re: #139 Gus

“I don’t usually admire Sarah Palin, but when she was making fun of this ‘hopey-changey’ stuff, she was right,” the noted linguist told Democracy Now.

Source. National Post, heh.

141 SnowdenBaggerVance  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 7:47:29am

Sarah Palin is a linguist? Wow, who knew?

142 darthstar  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 7:48:04am

re: #139 Gus

“I don’t usually admire Sarah Palin, but when she was making fun of this ‘hopey-changey’ stuff, she was right,” the noted linguist told Democracy Now.

I don’t usually admire Sarah Palin, but when I do, I make myself look like an idiot.

143 Minor_L  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 7:49:05am

It’s so nice to come to a comment section that isn’t totally overrun with Greenwald’s dudebro army. It’s like they get the Greenwald equivalent of the Fox News blast fax every day.

144 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 7:53:41am

re: #143 Minor_L

It’s so nice to come to a comment section that isn’t totally overrun with Greenwald’s dudebro army. It’s like they get the Greenwald equivalent of the Fox News blast fax every day.

We’ve had one or two dudebros show up to whine about how Charles hasn’t turned LGF into another branch of the “We Hate Obama For Not Being Our Messiah!” Snowden fan club.

145 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 7:59:24am

Any updates on Syria?

146 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 8:00:43am

re: #124 Dark_Falcon

We are forgetting one group.

The Kurds under the PYD.

147 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 8:02:18am

re: #143 Minor_L

It’s so nice to come to a comment section that isn’t totally overrun with Greenwald’s dudebro army. It’s like they get the Greenwald equivalent of the Fox News blast fax every day.

We’ve had one or two dudebros show up to whine about how Charles hasn’t turned LGF into another branch of the “We Hate Obama For Not Being Our Messiah!” Snowden fan club.

Indeed. See the late, unlamented Jefferson Obama, above. Concern Trollz haz concerns. They don’t last long, here.

148 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 8:04:05am

re: #145 ProTARDISLiberal

Any updates on Syria?

See B.D.’s # 130

149 b.d.  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 8:04:15am

re: #142 darthstar

I don’t usually admire Sarah Palin, but when I do, I make myself look like an idiot.

There really are times when it is best to keep your mouth shut.

150 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 8:04:45am
151 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 8:07:24am

re: #148 sattv4u2

Reading the article, I would take it with a grain of salt on the Syrian Governments claim. Assad’s believability is in the toilet.

152 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 8:08:36am

re: #61 Kragar

Step one) Take a solemn oath
Step two) Flee the country

Given who he is in bed with in this post, maybe they should take that tour to Brazil and see how well it goes over down there…

en.wikipedia.org

153 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 8:09:08am

GG is flogging The Guardian editorial and opinion pieces this am (only because they’re favorable).

Glenn Greenwald ‏@ggreenwald 43m

Guardian editorial about extraordinary events of last week & what it means for press freedoms & secrecy theguardian.com

Comment is free ‏@commentisfree 22 Aug

The detention of #DavidMiranda was an unlawful use of Terrorism Act | Charles Falconer - who helped introduce the act gu.com
Retweeted by Glenn Greenwald

154 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 8:10:42am

re: #151 ProTARDISLiberal

Reading the article, I would take it with a grain of salt on the Syrian Governments claim. Assad’s believability is in the toilet.

But as Gus stated, the ‘rebels” have their warts also!

155 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 8:15:10am

re: #150 NJDhockeyfan

[Embedded content]

That would not surprise me in the least at this point, that Assange and Greenwald are at loggerheads about how to handle Snowden, the former demanding immediate and total release while the latter wants to drag this out to keep people clicking Guardian links.

156 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 8:15:30am

re: #154 sattv4u2

Oh, I know.

That’s why I would support the PYD instead.

157 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 8:17:21am

Terrible

158 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 8:18:42am

re: #127 Decatur Deb

We’re supposed to guess who the good guys are and back them to the hilt with lives, reputation and treasure. Got a 20-sided die?

Will we also need a few million scrolls with “Detect Evil” on them?
//

159 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 8:21:20am

re: #147 austin_blue

re: #143 Minor_L

It’s so nice to come to a comment section that isn’t totally overrun with Greenwald’s dudebro army. It’s like they get the Greenwald equivalent of the Fox News blast fax every day.

Indeed. See the late, unlamented Jefferson Obama, above. Concern Trollz haz concerns. They don’t last long, here.

Has Jefferson bit the big one? Didn’t smell any mesquite smoke.

160 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 8:23:17am

re: #156 ProTARDISLiberal

Oh, I know.

That’s why I would support the PYD instead.

Yeah, because THEY’RE angelic !!

worldpoliticsreview.com

161 darthstar  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 8:25:09am
162 Bubblehead II  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 8:25:37am

re: #159 Decatur Deb

Has Jefferson bit the big one? Didn’t smell any mesquite smoke.

Yeah, it’s toast.

Karma: -48

JeffersonObama
This user is blocked.

Registered since: Aug 23, 2013 at 8:38 pm
No. of comments posted: 3
No. of Pages posted: 0

163 darthstar  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 8:39:21am
164 Lidane  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 8:44:46am

Bryan haz a sad:


According to the City Charter rules, City Council President Todd Gloria will become acting mayor when Filner, the city’s first Democratic mayor in 20 years, leaves office Friday. An election will be held within 90 days.

Including Gloria, at least four of the potential candidates lining up to replace Filner are gay, including one Republican. It’s another significant milestone in the ascending political power of the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community when the nation’s eighth-largest city - and one with a well-earned conservative reputation - has a gay chief executive.

The reaction to these milestones in San Diego, where former Republican Gov. Pete Wilson was once mayor: meh. It’s not even the first time it’s happened in San Diego. The city briefly had an interim mayor who was gay in 2005 after then-Mayor Dick Murphy resigned in the middle of a financial crisis.

165 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 8:47:46am

re: #160 sattv4u2

Point taken.

Still think the Kurds are our key in how to act in Syria.

Otherwise, maybe set up a small buffer zone in the border region of Syria, and use it to vet and train various rebel groups?

166 SnowdenBaggerVance  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 8:48:19am

Including Gloria, at least four of the potential candidates lining up to replace Filner are gay, including one Republican.

LOL Love it.

167 OhNoZombies!  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 8:48:58am

re: #112 Decatur Deb

Common children’s med of my generation:

Paregoric.

en.wikipedia.org

If we got a tummy ache, my grampa would give us paregoric.
No more pain…
Anywhere.LoL

168 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 8:51:03am

re: #164 Lidane

Bryan haz a sad:

[Embedded content]

“Sexually aberrant”? That’s pretty significant an admission, coming from a caveman like Fischer. But then again, it’s probably just for the purposes of the title, that personally he thinks Filner’s only crime was getting caught.

169 SnowdenBaggerVance  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 8:53:53am

Brian Fischer is culturally aberrant. Sounds more bookish than ‘major douchebag.’

170 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 8:55:09am
171 Political Atheist  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 8:57:17am

re: #127 Decatur Deb

We’re supposed to guess who the good guys are and back them to the hilt with lives, reputation and treasure. Got a 20-sided die?

This may be the unimagined circumstance of America just not leading the charge to intervention, throws up hands and turns to other pressing issues. Like rebuilding a spent ground force in a sequester. For the first time in a long time the thinking just might be this.

“There is nothing we can do to fix this, so we do nothing.” Nothing meaning in a major military sense. Not intended to include diplomacy, green lighting other nations efforts or sending money hither and yon. All of which will happen.

172 thedopefishlives  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 9:00:19am

Morning Lizardim from the hot and blustery wild north country. We’re looking at getting some long-awaited thunderstorms today; it’s been dry in our neck of the woods for a while. Any idea if the Sixth Fleet is going into battle today? How go things among the lizardfolk?

173 Political Atheist  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 9:02:12am

re: #163 darthstar

Image: 1234388_10151875844864343_1335847119_n.jpg

Darn! You found my random intelligence test. So far 89.16% of the people pass, by tossing the book in the bin. 1.26% fail by taking the book. The rest are “Undecided” as they just walk on by. ///

174 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 9:04:20am

re: #171 Political Atheist

This may be the unimagined circumstance of America just not leading the charge to intervention, throws up hands and turns to other pressing issues. Like rebuilding a spent ground force in a sequester. For the first time in a long time the thinking just might be this.

“There is nothing we can do to fix this, so we do nothing.” Nothing meaning in a major military sense. Not intended to include diplomacy, green lighting other nations efforts or sending money hither and yon. All of which will happen.

If we do anything, it will be cheap and easy, ordnance from over the horizon. Not a good week to be planning a wedding in Aleppo.

175 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 9:05:03am

re: #174 Decatur Deb

Or what’s left of it, anyway.

176 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 9:08:23am

re: #175 ProTARDISLiberal

Or what’s left of it, anyway.

{sigh]

I doubt any ordnance launched or flown into Syria would hit a major city. Surgical targeting of a military facility or gov’t airfields is most likely

177 darthstar  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 9:09:23am
178 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 9:11:43am

re: #177 darthstar

[Embedded content]

And here is one of their headquarters!!

Image: 326095-amazon-headquarters.jpg

179 Political Atheist  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 9:11:43am

From Wired-Fair assertion? Wired has been better than most on this.

The PRISM program involves the bulk collection of data from companies under the FISA Amendments Acts, passed in 2008. Section 702 of the law allows the government to target the communications of foreign nationals believed to not be on U.S. soil, but also allows for the collection of data of U.S. citizens if that person is communicating with a foreign national who is targeted. It does not allow for the collection of wholly domestic communications, which the government is supposed to filter out.

The NSA, however, failed to filter out these domestic communications until the court intervened.

Interesting, Facebook is not making any reimbursement claims for costs. Some other big providers are getting millions of dollars for costs associated with NSA programs.

180 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 9:13:42am

re: #176 sattv4u2

{sigh]

I doubt any ordnance launched or flown into Syria would hit a major city. Surgical targeting of a military facility or gov’t airfields is most likely

Surgeons have been known to take off the wrong leg.

181 thedopefishlives  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 9:13:48am

re: #179 Political Atheist

From Wired-Fair assertion? Wired has been better than most on this.

Interesting, Facebook is not making any reimbursement claims for costs. Some other big providers are getting millions of dollars for costs associated with NSA programs.

I don’t know about your assertion that Wired has been “better than most” on this. The other day, one of our resident Greenwaldians posted a link to a Wired article that was nothing but endless speculation and heavy implication that the NSA was storing the entirety of the Internet on its hard drives.

182 Political Atheist  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 9:20:49am

re: #181 thedopefishlives

Right better than most. Not perfect not always objective. Still better then all the tabloids and some of the other tech blogs like Cnet. Not looking at the link you mention-
IIRC that article goes way back, when the locked rooms were first outed, and the sheer scale of the government data storage facilities were starting to come out. The only evidence was physical, we had none of the more recent disclosures to see what was really up. And they were pretty careful to discuss this as the potential, not proven reality. Sure they talked about the worst case scenarios. Given the near complete lack of real information about what was really going on and the since ruled unconstitutional “keep this data collection demand secret or else” letters the NSA would send to ISP’s.

Fair to say the NSA only filtered out domestic stuff after the court ordered it to? Or not?

183 blueraven  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 9:23:31am

re: #179 Political Atheist

From Wired-Fair assertion? Wired has been better than most on this.

Interesting, Facebook is not making any reimbursement claims for costs. Some other big providers are getting millions of dollars for costs associated with NSA programs.

Didn’t Charles post about this several days ago? 56, 000 per year for 3 years.
A very tiny fraction of communications…that has been fixed now.

184 thedopefishlives  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 9:24:01am

re: #182 Political Atheist

I suppose I can grant you that. Given the quality of extant reporting, better than most is hardly a high bar to clear.

185 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 9:24:43am


Cue the splodey heads.

186 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 9:27:20am

I’m really heartened by the huge, multi-cultural crowd in DC today.

I think the Rs can forget about 2014 and 2016 if people pay attention.

We can never go backwards.

187 darthstar  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 9:27:22am

Good read.

Does Greenwald have the expertise to always be able to gauge more than the government what may constitute a threat? He’s been reporting on security matters for a while - but Snowden still had to send him a Youtube video to explain how to encrypt his email.

188 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 9:30:49am

re: #186 Justanotherhuman

I’m really heartened by the huge, multi-cultural crowd in DC today.

I think the Rs can forget about 2014 and 2016 if people pay attention.

We can never go backwards.

I don’t think one Republican is going to speak.

189 blueraven  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 9:30:57am

re: #183 blueraven

Didn’t Charles post about this several days ago? 56, 000 per year for 3 years.
A very tiny fraction of communications…that has been fixed now.

Here is the post

littlegreenfootballs.com

190 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 9:33:32am

re: #146 ProTARDISLiberal

We are forgetting one group.

The Kurds under the PYD.

The Kurds are sane, but they have the problem of wanting their own country, which they will not get.

For the Kurds, the fall of the Ottoman Empire was no good thing. It was inevitable after the Turks chose the wrong side in WWI, but the Kurds still lost from it.

191 Political Atheist  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 9:35:47am

re: #183 blueraven

re: #189 blueraven

So then yes that’s a fair way to say it?

“Fixed all is well” so we can relax vs. “only after a court order” so we should keep watching & keep the pressure on to sunset the PA are kinda different in implication.

I also find it interesting that the costs are high enough for the gov to have to reimburse so much money. A little rainmaking or hush money is sometimes found in agency expenditures. The NSA ain’t no angel. It’s a hard working hard charging agency with a huge hard job to do, and they like most in the intel profession take it to the limit.

They remind me of the FBI, who having one kind of surveillance ruled illegal by a district court judge only stopped in that district, claiming the decision had no merit outside the district. Legally that’s probably correct. But is that what you want to see from an agency that powerful?

192 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 9:36:22am

re: #186 Justanotherhuman

I’m really heartened by the huge, multi-cultural crowd in DC today.

I think the Rs can forget about 2014 and 2016 if people pay attention.

We can never go backwards.

They won’t. We have to be out there creating and focusing attention. And we can definitely go backwards if we quit pushing forward for even an hour.

193 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 9:42:02am
194 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 9:43:06am

re: #164 Lidane

Bryan haz a sad:

[Embedded content]

I see that was already posted.

195 Political Atheist  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 9:45:46am

re: #189 blueraven

Here is the post

littlegreenfootballs.com

Am I supposed to be so satisfied with this course of events to stop wanting the Patriot Act to get the long delayed sunset? I’m not there.

196 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 9:46:36am

re: #194 Gus

I see that was already posted.

No worries

I’m old and forget things

I hide my own Easter eggs

197 blueraven  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 9:52:08am

re: #195 Political Atheist

Am I supposed to be so satisfied with this course of events to stop wanting the Patriot Act to get the long delayed sunset? I’m not there.

Did I say that? No. This was self reported to the FISA court by the NSA.
I want more oversight and transparency, I am just tired of the hyperbole.

198 jaunte  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 9:59:22am

“This morning, we affirm that this struggle must, and will, go on in the cause of our nation’s quest for justice - until every eligible American has the chance to exercise his or her right to vote, unencumbered by discriminatory or unneeded procedures, rules, or practices.”

199 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 10:00:11am

BBL

200 Political Atheist  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 10:01:46am

re: #197 blueraven

Did I say that? No. This was self reported to the FISA court by the NSA.
I want more oversight and transparency, I am just tired of the hyperbole.

That’s easy. Read less Guardian and more Wired. I don’t like the hyperbole either. Makes it harder to speak as a reasonable critic. One gets lumped in with GG’s minions fast. I’ll say it in a picture. :-)

Image: SunsetBeauty.JPG

201 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 10:10:55am

hmmmm,,,, by this time tomorrow I should be teeing up on the 1st hole of the Caldonia Golf club at Pawleys Island S.C,, the 1st of 5 courses I’ll be playing over the next four days!!

((daydream mode off,,, back to work))

202 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 10:10:59am

OK, we need to find some aspirin factories in Syria. Get me my maps.

Yes general.

//

203 blueraven  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 10:12:35am

re: #200 Political Atheist

That’s easy. Read less Guardian and more Wired. I don’t like the hyperbole either. Makes it harder to speak as a reasonable critic. One gets lumped in with GG’s minions fast. I’ll say it in a picture. :-)

Image: SunsetBeauty.JPG

I don’t read The Guardian. But the AP, the NY Times, the Washington Post and several others are just as guilty. So are MSNBC, FOX and CNN.

It is all about viewers and clicks now.

If you look at the comments in that Wired article, they are just as bad as anywhere else…so they are feeding the beast.

Disband NSA, Impeach Obama

I support the former, but the latter is a waste of time.

Dennis Kucinich says we should disband the NSA and give Snowden a parade….I am warming up to that a lot.

204 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 10:14:50am

re: #202 Gus

OK, we need to find some aspirin factories in Syria. Get me my maps.

Yes general.

//

heh

At least back then there was one clear ‘enemy’, Saddam and his loyalists

With this mess, we know Assad is a bad actor, but the “rebels” don’t appear to be squeaky clean either

The only losers (as usual) are those poor civilians in the middle

205 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 10:19:46am

The Guardian has gone *way* over the top jumping into bed with The GG, but its other reporting is still top-notch:

theguardian.com

That’s good stuff. And I love the Syrian gubmints reaction to the situation:

“Those rebels are so fanatical that they would gas their own families!!!

Yeah. Right. Sure they would. Because *your* actions have shown nothing but the lightest touch, the very milk of human kindness. Time to put a JDAM up the chinless opthalmologist’s ass, IMHO.

206 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 10:23:07am

re: #204 sattv4u2

heh

At least back then there was one clear ‘enemy’, Saddam and his loyalists

With this mess, we know Assad is a bad actor, but the “rebels” don’t appear to be squeaky clean either

The only losers (as usual) are those poor civilians in the middle

re: #204 sattv4u2

heh

At least back then there was one clear ‘enemy’, Saddam and his loyalists

With this mess, we know Assad is a bad actor, but the “rebels” don’t appear to be squeaky clean either

The only losers (as usual) are those poor civilians in the middle

In the right corner:

Syrian government:
Syrian Armed Forces
Jaysh al-Sha’bi
Shabiha
Al-Abbas brigade
National Defense Force
Lijan militias
Syrian Resistance (militia)

Iran:
Revolutionary Guards

Foreign militants:
Hezbollah
PFLP-GC

In the left corner:

Syrian opposition:
Free Syrian Army
Syrian Islamic Liberation Front
Al-Tawhid Brigade
Kurdish Salaheddine Battalion

Mujahideen:
Syrian Islamic Front
Al-Nusra Front
Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant

Democratic Union Party (PYD):
Popular Protection Units (YPG)

207 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 10:23:07am

Elon Musk will reveal gesture-based rocket design program inspired by Iron Man

theverge.com

“Iron Man” is my g-grandson’s favorite cartoon, although he loves Peep and Pingu, too. Rooney’s theme song is catchy, too.

208 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 10:24:48am

re: #206 Gus

In the right corner:

Syrian government:
Syrian Armed Forces
Jaysh al-Sha’bi
Shabiha
Al-Abbas brigade
National Defense Force
Lijan militias
Syrian Resistance (militia)

Iran:
Revolutionary Guards

Foreign militants:
Hezbollah
PFLP-GC

In the left corner:

Syrian opposition:
Free Syrian Army
Syrian Islamic Liberation Front
Al-Tawhid Brigade
Kurdish Salaheddine Battalion

Mujahideen:
Syrian Islamic Front
Al-Nusra Front
Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant

Democratic Union Party (PYD):
Popular Protection Units (YPG)

And where the Syrian citizens sit ,,Image: 0002355_DIY-Solutions-Online-45232-DRAPER-150mm-Engineers-Bench-Vice-VICES.jpg

209 Political Atheist  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 10:25:38am

re: #203 blueraven

I don’t read The Guardian. But the AP, the NY Times, the Washington Post and several others are just as guilty. So are MSNBC, FOX and CNN.

It is all about viewers and clicks now.

If you look at the comments in that Wired article, they are just as bad as anywhere else…so they are feeding the beast.

How the media applies it’s bias for the sensational IMO is a completely separate larger phenomenon. If we want to bury a real story or set of facts because it has harsh comments or gets exploited for ratings… Well that’s just strikes me as the tail wagging the dog. I almost never read the comments on any site but here.

Do you like NPR? I think that’s an excellent take in the link.
Secret Court: NSA Surveillance Program Was Unconstitutional

Is NPR feeding the beast?

210 b_sharp  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 10:28:02am

OT.

Wife: You never do anything for me.
Husband: OK, let’s change that. What do you want me to do?

Wife: Can you make me a thing-a-ma-jig?
Husband: Sure. Can you draw up what you want?

Wife: No, just make it the way you want.
Husband:
work
work
work
Here you go.

Wife: That’s not what I wanted!
Husband: It does what you want doesn’t it?

Wife: Maybe, but it’s not what I wanted.
Husband: (Oh for crying out loud)

Time goes by.

Next argument.

Wife: You never do anything for me!
Husband: I made that thing-a-ma-jig for you.

Wife: But it wasn’t what I wanted.
Husband: OK, I’ll try again. Could you draw something up for me so I know what you want?

crickets.

AARRGGGHH!!!

211 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 10:28:04am

re: #209 Political Atheist

The FISA court ruled parts of the program to be unconstitutional and ordered them to be revised. The government made changes and the court signed off on the program in November of 2011.

212 Political Atheist  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 10:30:24am

re: #211 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Yes, and?

213 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 10:34:37am

re: #212 Political Atheist

Unlike other news outlets, at least NPR is putting it front and center that when there were problems, they were corrected. Compare this to Wired’s horrible misstatement here:

The NSA, however, failed to filter out these domestic communications until the court intervened.

214 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 10:34:53am

re: #210 b_sharp

Is that you?

215 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 10:37:16am

Suspect arrested over Lebanese mosque bombings

bigstory.ap.org

“The National News Agency identified the suspect as Sheik Ahmad al-Ghareeb, and said police took him into custody at his home in the Miniyeh region outside Tripoli. It said al-Ghareeb, who has ties to a Sunni organization that enjoys good relations with Lebanon’s powerful Shiite Hezbollah militant group, appears in surveillance video at the site of one of the explosions.”

216 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 10:37:20am

re: #210 b_sharp

Next argument.

heh
with us, there is no “next argument”

been married for 23 years,,,, were together for 4 years prior to that

in all that time we’ve only had one argument,,,, ONE

It started 22 years ago and it’s still going on to this day!!!!

217 b_sharp  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 10:38:17am

re: #214 Gus

Is that you?

Unfortunately.

218 b_sharp  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 10:38:53am

re: #216 sattv4u2

Next argument.

heh
with us, there is no “next argument”

been married for 23 years,,,, were together for 4 years prior to that

in all that time we’ve only had one argument,,,, ONE

It started 22 years ago and it’s still going on to this day!!!!

Ours have chapters.
Many chapters.

219 Political Atheist  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 10:39:02am

re: #213 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

So that makes it an unfair or inaccurate way to say it? It’s just a slightly more critical view of the same set of facts IMO.

220 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 10:40:24am

re: #218 b_sharp

Ours have chapters.
Many chapters.

Ah

War and Peace,,, sans the whole peace part!!!!
/

221 blueraven  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 10:40:29am

re: #209 Political Atheist

The NPR article is a bit more balanced and the comments are at least somewhat varied.

222 Political Atheist  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 10:40:30am

re: #213 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

You did notice I used the phrase “better than most” and later “Not always objective” up above right?

223 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 10:41:18am
224 Political Atheist  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 10:42:22am

re: #221 blueraven

The NPR article is a bit more balanced and the comments are at least somewhat varied.

It’s a lot more balanced. Agree. This judging by the comments may have more to do with comments monitoring than anything else. For myself, the comments don’t even exist. I don’t read ‘em. Too many trolls with endless red herrings and hate.

Added EDIT
You know what this place would look like without the monitors? Yeesh.

225 blueraven  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 10:44:13am

re: #224 Political Atheist

It’s a lot more balanced. Agree. This judging by the comments may have more to do with comments monitoring than anything else. For myself, the comments don’t even exist. I don’t read ‘em. Too many trolls with endless red herrings and hate.

Some balance is all I am asking for. Is that too much?

226 b_sharp  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 10:46:45am

re: #220 sattv4u2

Ah

War and Peace,,, sans the whole peace part!!!!
/

Xactly.

227 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 10:47:52am
228 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 10:48:11am

Breaking News:

Update: Military chiefs of US, its main Western allies and Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar to meet in Jordan to discuss situation in Syria, defense officials confirm - @Reuters

229 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 10:48:33am

re: #223 NJDhockeyfan

[Embedded content]

Oops, wait. Just noticed it says “expert.”

230 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 10:49:00am

re: #223 NJDhockeyfan

[Embedded content]

They have to get past Turkey to do it.

Russian Navy: “Mind if we transit the Bosphorus and Dardanelles?”

Turks: “Fuck off, Ivan. And tell Putin to put his shirt back on.”

231 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 10:49:30am

re: #228 Justanotherhuman

Breaking News:

Update: Military chiefs of US, its main Western allies and Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar to meet in Jordan to discuss situation in Syria, defense officials confirm - @Reuters

They’re going to meet. In Jordan. I imagine they’ll have to book some luxury hotels first.

232 Interesting Times  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 10:50:22am

So was last night’s clubbed troll an imposter pretending to be this guy?

233 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 10:50:54am
234 Stanley Sea  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 10:53:36am

re: #232 Interesting Times

So was last night’s clubbed troll an imposter pretending to be this guy?

Probably? Has anyone asked Gauvin via twitter?

235 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 10:53:42am


Woomp.

236 jaunte  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 10:54:59am

re: #235 Gus

David Sirota has a dream: that he will not be judged on the content of his tweets.

237 Political Atheist  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 10:55:02am

re: #225 blueraven

Some balance is all I am asking for. Is that too much?

Not at all. NPR has been really good, Wired good but has room for improvement, the rest you cite, yeah a mess.

My remaining concerns echo some of what has been said about how the term “relevance” has been used. I’m not convinced the interpretation we have should stand. By some established legal standards even the meta data not connected to terror investigation should not be gathered or if gathered, kept. The legal support for this interpretation rest in court. FISA of course. IMO open court would rule the other way. I think either way is a valid point of view, in that “good men differ” category.

This argument gets little or no notice. Less than it deserves, although I don’t want to see it fought in the tabloids.

238 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 10:56:27am

re: #219 Political Atheist

So that makes it an unfair or inaccurate way to say it? It’s just a slightly more critical view of the same set of facts IMO.

Well, the NSA was the one who took the information that they weren’t filtering to the court. The court didn’t swoop down and intervene, they reported and the court made a ruling.

The Wired article is better than most in that they give the absolute figures— 56,000 emails. It’s not terrible. But disinformation is so rife on this that I think Wired should be correcting misperceptions a lot more than they are— NPR should be too, for that matter.

239 Interesting Times  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 10:58:07am

re: #234 Stanley Sea

Probably? Has anyone asked Gauvin via twitter?

I just sent him a DM. I saw in this feed that he’s been retweeting Charles, so I’m 99% sure the troll wasn’t really him.

240 Political Atheist  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 10:58:49am

re: #238 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Well, the NSA was the one who took the information that they weren’t filtering to the court. The court didn’t swoop down and intervene, they reported and the court made a ruling.

The Wired article is better than most in that they give the absolute figures— 56,000 emails. It’s not terrible. But disinformation is so rife on this that I think Wired should be correcting misperceptions a lot more than they are— NPR should be too, for that matter.

I have no argument with any of the above. Last sentence +1

Have you looked at the relevance issue much?

241 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 10:59:05am

re: #239 Interesting Times

99.99999% unless he was being ironic the whole time, which also seems unlikely.

242 jaunte  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 10:59:42am

re: #239 Interesting Times

I don’t think he would have asked that dumb/trolly question about the red and green numbers.

243 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:04:06am

re: #240 Political Atheist

I have no argument with any of the above. Last sentence +1

Have you looked at the relevance issue much?

No, because I’m kind of annoyed at how much conversational space the whole topic is taking. It’s nowhere near my top ten list of priorities.

244 blueraven  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:04:36am

re: #237 Political Atheist

Not at all. NPR has been really good, Wired good but has room for improvement, the rest you cite, yeah a mess.

My remaining concerns echo some of what has been said about how the term “relevance” has been used. I’m not convinced the interpretation we have should stand. By some established legal standards even the meta data not connected to terror investigation should not be gathered or if gathered, kept. The legal support for this interpretation rest in court. FISA of course. IMO open court would rule the other way. I think either way is a valid point of view, in that “good men differ” category.

This argument gets little or no notice. Less than it deserves, although I don’t want to see it fought in the tabloids.

I agree that there are questions about how the court should be structured and what should be secret.
But I have to say, I am just as concerned about the state of journalism.
It is very important that we have an open and honest press. Instead it seems we have headline grabbing, stir up the masses, misrepresentations and celebrity cult activism.

245 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:04:49am

Also, all 4th amendment problems have the same solution: Get more progressive judges on the supreme court.

246 A Mom Anon  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:05:01am

Well that was interesting….

Just got back from a local bbq cookoff/fair/something or other and who did I almost literally run into? Bob Barr. I was looking for the ceramics pavillion and damned near walked into him. In a cowboy hat and pointy boots. Seriously? He had minions running all over the place handing out bumper stickers and the like. The Husband would not let me go to the booth and start asking pointed questions, he plied me with deep fried brownies. Argue with a libertarian, or have some delicious chocolate? Not a tough choice.

Also seen: a booth full of pretty much entirely anti Obama merchandise. Mostly wooden signs and switch covers (?) with the usual bumper sticker type things laminated on them. Some Tea Party Patriots, you could tell by the t-shirts, and bikers with confederate flags on their vests.

As an aside, my husband has had Harleys forever. As a result he buys all sorts of motorcycle magazines. He picked up the latest Easy Rider(which apparently has become a PG rated publication these days), and there is a huge rant against liberals in there that sounds like someone who never leaves the house. All liberals are vegetarians who don’t eat meat, hate hunters, it goes on and on. One thing that surprises me is how many bikers are raving conservative loons. It’s weird.

247 Political Atheist  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:11:41am

re: #243 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

No, because I’m kind of annoyed at how much conversational space the whole topic is taking. It’s nowhere near my top ten list of priorities.

I’m annoyed we have accepted that ruling on relevance too easily, it’s a more foundational question on this whole thing. And since a major author of the Patriot Act is against the broader view it is no less deserving of a hard look, in public. You can dismiss him over his party or you can think him relevant as an author. Or you can ignore him and just look a little harder. I understand we have to have priorities, I’m appealing to the readers here overall not just you.

248 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:13:02am

re: #247 Political Atheist

It doesn’t matter if I accept the ruling or not. The courts aren’t going to change their mind because I get irate. The court will change its mind when another conservative or ‘classical liberal’ on it gets replaced by a progressive in the mold of Sotomayor. Then we may really have a working affirmative right to privacy.

249 b.d.  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:13:40am

re: #235 Gus

[Embedded content]


Woomp.

That may be the dumbest tweet ever and Sirota does have a bunch of lulus.

250 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:15:03am

re: #243 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

No, because I’m kind of annoyed at how much conversational space the whole topic is taking. It’s nowhere near my top ten list of priorities.

I’m annoyed that I’m annoyingly annoyed by this annoyance…

251 Political Atheist  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:17:23am

re: #248 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

This “relevance” issue is not even out of FISA court yet, long way to go to get to the Supremes. I would be more surprised if they upheld the current view, but who can really say? Show me some ruling in open court first. Then I’ll start thinking about SCOTUS on this particular point.

252 b_sharp  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:17:40am

re: #250 austin_blue

I’m annoyed that I’m annoyingly annoyed by this annoyance…

Piss me off!!!

253 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:18:38am

This are improving in Egypt
Court rules against banning porn websites
Hooray!
Maybe this is why the Muslim Bros rally yesterday fizzled. Everybody stayed home.

254 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:20:05am

re: #253 Killgore Trout

This are improving in Egypt
Court rules against banning porn websites
Hooray!
Maybe this is why the Muslim Bros rally yesterday fizzled. Everybody stayed home.

Took matters into their own hands, did they!

255 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:21:16am
256 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:21:46am

re: #254 sattv4u2

Took matters into their own hands, did they!

Grabbing the camel by the neck?

(This could degenerate quickly…)

257 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:21:55am

Retweeted by GG:


From the link…

..”No American citizen in their right mind would trust the honesty and the objectivity of the American Judicial System at this time in history”, Sheehan said. “The reason he chose to go to the Soviet Union, and the reason he initially went to China….is because these are two of the only countries in the world in which you wouldn’t be able to assume that the US would send in black helicopter gunships…to try to arrest you.”

“This is not a trustworthy administration.”

258 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:22:00am

Guess who blowed up da mosque?
Suspect arrested over Lebanese mosque bombings
Shockah!

259 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:23:14am

re: #256 austin_blue

Grabbing the camel by the neck?

(This could degenerate quickly…)

Waxing the Bishop

260 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:24:02am
261 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:24:57am

re: #258 Killgore Trout

Guess who blowed up da mosque?
Suspect arrested over Lebanese mosque bombings
Shockah!

dammit

I had $10 on that Amish Mafia guy, Levi !!
Image: achivy-20121221-1435-1lynzqd.png

262 Quicklund  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:25:43am

Well up to this Snowden stuff I’d heard Glenn Greenwald’s name but I never really knew who he was among all the other professional pundits. So many of them are obviously in it just to keep the gig and the money flowing in, so I’d stopped reading most all of them.

But now I definitely know who Mr Greenwald is. He’s a huckster at the very top the heap. He is not a journalist by any stretch of the imagination. Now I do have straight in my mind who this man really is: a man whose writing must be double and triple checked for disingenuity.

263 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:25:45am

re: #259 sattv4u2

Waxing the Bishop

Youtube Video

264 A Mom Anon  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:26:37am

re: #257 NJDhockeyfan

WTF? I can’t even unpack that much stupid. Not in one sitting.

265 b.d.  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:27:24am

re: #255 Gus

[Embedded content]

Do we get to ask Sirota questions too?

Who has done more good for America, Obama or Greenwald?
Did Sirota criticize Greenwald when he supported the Iraq War?
Has Greenwald given Sirota his cell phone number or real email address yet?

266 b.d.  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:28:01am

re: #260 Gus

[Embedded content]

Obama needs to get us out of Vietnam!!

267 b.d.  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:29:04am

re: #260 Gus

[Embedded content]

If Obama tried to pick Bo up by his ears, he’d get bitten.

268 A Mom Anon  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:29:10am

re: #261 sattv4u2

That should be in the top five of most horrible TV shows ever. It’s so full of shit it’s surprising you can’t smell it through the TV. The husband and I made it through about half an episode and that was it. I feel dumber for having seen it.

269 prairiefire  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:29:38am

re: #263 austin_blue

[Embedded content]

Not the video I was expecting.

270 Stanley Sea  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:30:23am
271 A Mom Anon  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:32:30am

re: #270 Stanley Sea

I wish I could upding that again. That’s awesome.

272 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:36:08am

Coming up next. What would Obamabots think about Gandhi? Would he have been called an emoprog?

//

273 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:37:02am

It’s a serious question!

//

274 jaunte  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:37:31am

Argument from fantasy authority.

275 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:37:33am

re: #272 Gus

Coming up next. What would Obamabots think about Gandhi? Would he have been called an emoprog?

//

He’s a super-calloused fragile mystic plagued by halitosis, silly.

276 elizajane  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:41:19am

re: #257 NJDhockeyfan

Retweeted by GG:

[Embedded content]


From the link…

Why does Greenwald take seriously a man who thinks Snowdon is in the “Soviet Union”?
It sure puts into context a vision of black helicopter gunships tracking down honest Americans all over the world.

277 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:42:17am

Oops. Wait. Element missing here. David Sirota isn’t MLK by any stretch of the imagination.

278 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:42:31am

re: #276 elizajane

Why does Greenwald take seriously a man who thinks Snowdon is in the “Soviet Union”?
It sure puts into context a vision of black helicopter gunships tracking down honest Americans all over the world.

Lol.

279 jaunte  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:42:45am

Egoprogs.

280 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:45:06am
281 b.d.  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:47:26am

re: #280 Charles Johnson

Note to self: Don’t piss off Charles


I am laughing my butt off here, beautiful work you’ve done there.

282 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:47:27am

re: #280 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

You, sir, are in fine fettle today. Well played!

283 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:47:44am

They can dish it out but sure can’t take it.
Pansies.

284 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:48:12am

re: #276 elizajane

Why does Greenwald take seriously a man who thinks Snowdon is in the “Soviet Union”?
It sure puts into context a vision of black helicopter gunships tracking down honest Americans all over the world.

Isn’t it 1984?

285 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:49:35am

re: #280 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Sir, yours is a biting and vengeful wit. I tip my hat to you.

286 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:49:42am

re: #284 NJDhockeyfan

Isn’t it 1984?

Scary Number!

(and that was damn funny, NJD)

287 b.d.  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:52:07am

Would David Sirota block MLK on Twitter?

Serious question!!

288 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:53:08am
289 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:53:42am

re: #288 Gus

[Embedded content]

*Gus has been blocked from the Internet*

290 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:54:12am

re: #289 Pavlovian Hive Mind

*Gus has been blocked from the Internet open bar*

ftfy

291 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:55:46am

And there goes one follower.

292 Bubblehead II  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:58:02am

Want a laugh? Check out the EDLs website.

Hacktivists boast of English Defence League KO after website downed

Count down timer says they have 3 more days to go before they are back on-line.

Normally, I don’t approve of these sort of attacks. But in this case all I have to say is it couldn’t have happened to a better bunch of low life scum.

293 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:58:53am
294 darthstar  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 11:59:45am

“The Emperor Norton San Francisco Bay Bridge” does have a nice ring to it.

change.org

295 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:00:25pm
296 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:00:28pm
297 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:01:30pm

Man. They’re coming out of the woodwork.

298 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:01:31pm

re: #296 Gus

Wow. These people are completely unreal.

299 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:02:11pm
300 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:02:48pm

Is it possible to read so much history that one has a psychic break and actually thinks the historical time period about which one was reading is the present?

301 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:03:57pm

Breaking. Admiring MLK’s civil rights legacy does not mean you agree with his entire body of work.

302 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:05:11pm

re: #299 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Scary.
/

303 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:05:53pm
304 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:07:19pm

I’ve been continuing my research on immigration related issues plaguing the U.S./Mexico border. Unfortunately, I’m finding it difficult because a lot of sources I come across are blatantly partisan one way or the other.

Funnily enough, an easy way to determine the potential slant of a site is to look at how they refer to migrants. The most common terms are “undocumented aliens/immigrants”, “illegal aliens/immigrants” or sometimes just plain “illegals”.

305 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:08:13pm

I can’t help but ponder how far we’ve actually come in 50 years. Sadly, it’s not as far as I’d hoped we’d be by now.

306 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:08:23pm

re: #262 Quicklund

Welcome, hatchling.

307 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:13:19pm

I just paid bills. I never get over how incredibly lucky I feel when I do so.

308 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:15:24pm

re: #307 FemNaziBitch

I just paid bills. I never get over how incredibly lucky I feel when I do so.

You living paycheck to paycheck too?

309 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:16:13pm

re: #308 NJDhockeyfan

You living paycheck to paycheck too?

Not quite, I just think about all the people who have been outsourced, downsized, or just plain had life happen to them.

310 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:16:29pm
311 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:17:55pm

re: #295 FemNaziBitch

Somewhere in a Thailand Zoo. , I think.

It’s Thailand’s Elephant Hospital

I saw a news story about that particular elephant a while back.

312 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:19:23pm

re: #311 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s Thailand’s Elephant Hospital

I saw a news story about that particular elephant a while back.

How cool would it be to work there?

313 Interesting Times  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:19:39pm

re: #310 FemNaziBitch

Hai :) So here’s the epilogue to the abuser I told you about earlier:

nanowrimo.org

Check out his reply to me - it would be hilarious for its sheer DARVO were it not for the fact that, yes, he really is that delusional o_O

314 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:20:36pm

re: #307 FemNaziBitch

I just paid bills. I never get over how incredibly lucky I feel when I do so.

Same here. I enjoy it in a strange sort of way.

315 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:21:57pm

re: #313 Interesting Times

Hai :) So here’s the epilogue to the abuser I told you about earlier:

nanowrimo.org

Check out his reply to me - it would be hilarious for its sheer DARVO were it not for the fact that, yes, he really is that delusional o_O

I bet he can also prove he is right mathematically as well as with faulty logic.

316 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:22:31pm

Another example of how far around the political spectrum the emoprogs and dudebros have gone is that they’re now basically aping the wingnuts in declaring that Dr. King would be all kinds of critical about Obama and his administration. When do they start declaring that King was a life-long Republican?

317 urbanmeemaw  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:23:52pm

re: #249 b.d.

A classic Elaine quote from a Seinfeld episode comes to mind. She says to Jerry, “Every time I think you can’t get any more shallow you always manage to drain a little more water from the pool”.

318 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:25:19pm

King was a lifelong D&D player.
Fact.

319 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:27:02pm
320 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:27:23pm

Pop.

321 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:29:15pm

Here they desperately try to say it’s a hoax.

322 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:29:39pm

“Israel’s apologists.” Derp.

323 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:30:49pm

re: #321 Gus

Here they desperately try to say it’s a hoax.

*Gus has been blocked from the planet*

324 Interesting Times  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:32:02pm

re: #241 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

99.99999% unless he was being ironic the whole time, which also seems unlikely.

We can be 100% sure now:

325 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:34:46pm
326 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:35:58pm

re: #312 FemNaziBitch

How cool would it be to work there?

I’m still amazed that they could make a workable prosthetic foot/lower leg for an elephant.
I would love to be able to afford something similar for my three-legged dog. She showed up here as a starving stray during a blizzard a few years ago. A month later she disappeared for a week, then showed back up with her leg mangled by a gunshot. The entire leg was amputated, but she still has a working shoulder.
Major sweetheart…she went from less than 35 pounds to the very healthy 80 pound weight now (and none of that is excess fat). I just worry about the increased likelihood for arthritis for her as she ages.

327 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:36:43pm

Why is it always the shoes?

US arrests man ‘with uranium for Iran in shoes’

news.yahoo.com

These are the people the NSA is no doubt following, not your mama’s potato salad recipe you posted on FB.

328 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:37:25pm

My tea-partying representative is moderating on immigration. He now says he’s ‘way out in the middle.’

When asked on his stand with Immigration Reform, Pearce said,”We must do Immigration Reform. My suggestion has always been; secure the border, reform legal immigration because it takes to long and make a guest-worker plan. The right side says they have to be deported — put in jail. The left side wants amnesty and I am way out here in the middle trying to have a compromise.”

This was his position in March:

If the U.S.-Mexico border can be secured, a formidable challenge, Mr. Pearce said he supported granting work permits to the 11 million or so immigrants now in the U.S. illegally. But if they want to become citizens, he said, they will have to leave the U.S. and “get in line like everyone else.”

That’s right. If you want citizenship, first you must self-deport.

Here’s his position as of yesterday:

Pearce, however, told the audience he supports a worker program, not a pathway to citizenship for those in the country illegally.

“I’m uncomfortable making 11 million people citizens,” Pearce said. “But if they want to work, let’s take away the fear, let’s keep families together. That’s the guest worker program.”

“Look(ing) away” and legalizing those in the country illegally would tell the world, “You can come here in any fashion you want,” Pearce said.

Way out in the middle.

Oh, here’s his position on gun control:

One attendee asked Pearce if stricter background checks for gun purchases would have prevented a teen from bringing hundreds of rounds of ammunition to a Georgia elementary school, holding staff members captive and firing at police. The teen was arrested without incident.

Pearce said “America’s heart” needs to change, not gun laws.

“They don’t have guns in Rwanda, yet (more than 500,000) people died by machetes,” he said, referencing the 1994 genocide in the central African nation.

329 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:38:12pm
330 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:38:57pm

re: #326 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m still amazed that they could make a workable prosthetic foot/lower leg for an elephant.
I would love to be able to afford something similar for my three-legged dog. She showed up here as a starving stray during a blizzard a few years ago. A month later she disappeared for a week, then showed back up with her leg mangled by a gunshot. The entire leg was amputated, but she still has a working shoulder.
Major sweetheart…she went from less than 35 pounds to the very healthy 80 pound weight now (and none of that is excess fat). I just worry about the increased likelihood for arthritis for her as she ages.

:)

331 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:41:35pm

re: #321 Gus

Here they desperately try to say it’s a hoax.

History is written by the victors?

332 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:42:19pm

re: #327 Justanotherhuman

Why is it always the shoes?

US arrests man ‘with uranium for Iran in shoes’

news.yahoo.com

These are the people the NSA is no doubt following, not your mama’s potato salad recipe you posted on FB.

Uranium for peaceful civilian purposes, of course.

333 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:42:41pm

re: #324 Interesting Times

We can be 100% sure now:

[Embedded content]

If that’s the case then maybe those comments should be nuked.

334 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:43:34pm

re: #331 FemNaziBitch

History is written by the victors?

Camera had something on it. Might be a hoax. I saw it reported as something John Lewis related as MLK saying it.

335 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:45:06pm

re: #333 Gus

If that’s the case then maybe those comments should be nuked.

They were.

336 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:45:58pm

re: #335 wrenchwench

They were.

Ah, didn’t notice.

337 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:47:14pm

re: #332 Killgore Trout

Uranium for peaceful civilian purposes, of course.

Just resist the urge to click them three times while saying “there’s no place like home…”

338 piratedan  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:47:32pm

what is so strange about all of this is the revisionist history that is attached to it all. Israel of the mid sixties had only been in existence since 1948 and had already been attacked and was still fighting for it’s right to exist. The Brits were ambivalent at best, the Soviets hated them, the Chinese were indifferent and it was kind of apparent that a large swath of the Arab world felt that they shouldn’t exist, especially so the Palestinians (although I do believe that there were good faith gestures made to them by the Israelis at the beginning, it’s not as if Israel was a political monolithic entity itself).

Looking at the statements of MLK of fifty years ago through the lens of history today seems foolhardy at best, like saying that Republicans are the anti-slavery party, things change.

339 blueraven  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:49:00pm

re: #329 NJDhockeyfan

[Embedded content]

I think Greenwald has a fond dislike for anyone who is not a civil libertarian absolutist.
I don’t know if we can attribute that to any racial bias.

340 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:50:25pm
341 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:51:16pm
342 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:52:01pm

re: #327 Justanotherhuman

Why is it always the shoes?

US arrests man ‘with uranium for Iran in shoes’

news.yahoo.com

These are the people the NSA is no doubt following, not your mama’s potato salad recipe you posted on FB.

How else are you going to fond them in the dark unless they’re glowing

343 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:52:42pm

re: #341 Gus

[Embedded content]

That is freakin brilliant.

344 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:53:14pm

re: #343 Backwoods_Sleuth

That is freakin brilliant.

It is.

345 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:53:30pm

In what should surprise no one, my Dad is a dudebro.

He wants Obama impeached for the overhyped NSA thing and for not deporting all of the undocumented immigrants.

He really doesn’t have “political beliefs” per say. Political impulses based on emotion and hatred of others is more like it.

My beliefs have been stable for years on the other hand.

346 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:53:33pm

Churches changing bylaws after gay marriage ruling

news.yahoo.com

“Inserra said he already has had to say no to gay friends who wanted him to perform a wedding ceremony.”

I’ll bet you have “Black friends”, too, you fraud.

347 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:54:46pm

re: #346 Justanotherhuman

The guy in the picture looks like a evolutionary throwback.

348 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:55:33pm

re: #344 Gus

It is.

wish I could have updinged that many many times.
In the meantime, I shall retweet it and spread it anywhere elsewhere that I can.

349 Stanley Sea  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:56:29pm
350 Political Atheist  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:57:48pm

re: #341 Gus

Obama is backing the MB? Who knew?! Someone should do a “who’s on first” comedy sketch with that.

Youtube Video

351 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:58:00pm

Not reported is whether or not Weiner’s weiner survived intact. Film at 11.

Anthony Weiner involved in minor car crash in NYC

boston.com

352 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:58:22pm
353 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 12:59:59pm

re: #350 Political Atheist

Obama is backing the MB? Who knew?! Someone should do a “who’s on first” comedy sketch with that.

It’s not perfect but the White House will try and back whomever is in power in Egypt. By MB they would mean the MB Party and not the nebulous global MB entity.

354 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 1:01:19pm

re: #351 Justanotherhuman

Not reported is whether or not Weiner’s weiner survived intact. Film at 11.

Anthony Weiner involved in minor car crash in NYC

boston.com

I think it travels separate from him for security reasons

355 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 1:02:33pm

re: #340 wrenchwench

[Embedded content]

Not quite true. I heard several speakers mention same.

356 Political Atheist  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 1:03:01pm

re: #353 Gus

Ah that MB context makes more sense. Thanks.

357 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 1:07:04pm

re: #356 Political Atheist

Ah that MB context makes more sense. Thanks.

The US will back Egypt and try to remain neutral. Much because of Camp David. Morsi (MB) backed the rebels in Syria. Now Sisi should back Assad in Syria. Qatar was backing Morsi (MB) but cut all aid to Egypt after the coup. Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Kuwait took over with 12 billion in aid.

358 Stanley Sea  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 1:07:06pm
359 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 1:08:02pm

re: #358 Stanley Sea

[Embedded content]

Hey, I could use a few…

360 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 1:08:19pm

re: #357 Gus

The US will back Egypt and try to remain neutral. Much because of Camp David. Morsi (MB) backed the rebels in Syria. Now Sisi should back Assad in Syria. Qatar was backing Morsi (MB) but cut all aid to Egypt after the coup. Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Kuwait took over with 12 billion in aid.

‘PROGRAMS HERE ,,, GIT YER PROGRAMS HERE,,, CAN’T TELL THE PLAYERS WITHOUT A PROGRAM!!”

361 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 1:09:45pm

re: #360 sattv4u2

‘PROGRAMS HERE ,,, GIT YER PROGRAMS HERE,,, CAN’T TELL THE PLAYERS WITHOUT A PROGRAM!!”

Musical chairs.

362 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 1:12:13pm

re: #361 Gus

Musical chairs.

Yes, but how come when the music stops there always seems to be another despot that gets a chair!!

363 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 1:12:27pm

Trying to catch up here. Was the ‘jeffersonobama’ who visited us spoofing a real, fairly moderate guy attacked by ggreenwald freaks?

364 blueraven  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 1:14:21pm

re: #363 Decatur Deb

Trying to catch up here. Was the ‘jeffersonobama’ who visited us spoofing a real, fairly moderate guy attacked by ggreenwald freaks?

Pretty much.
He was using this guys ID

twitter.com

365 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 1:16:43pm

re: #362 sattv4u2

Yes, but how come when the music stops there always seems to be another despot that gets a chair!!

They seem to jump between Islamist authoritarians and secular authoritarians.

366 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 1:17:26pm

re: #364 blueraven

Pretty much.
He was using this guys ID

twitter.com

Looks like the stuff I’m getting. Is ‘using an ID’ more than deliberately registering under a nic the real guy uses, like addresses or something?

367 Stanley Sea  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 1:24:59pm
368 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 1:26:12pm

re: #355 Justanotherhuman

Not quite true. I heard several speakers mention same.

Good.

369 blueraven  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 1:29:40pm

re: #366 Decatur Deb

Looks like the stuff I’m getting. Is ‘using an ID’ more than deliberately registering under a nic the real guy uses, like addresses or something?

Not sure about that. I think as a “concern troll” (not really a fan of GG but..) he just needed a credible nic

370 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 1:29:45pm
371 Lidane  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 1:30:41pm
372 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 1:32:59pm
373 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 1:34:06pm

Speaking of fakes, just got an ‘invitation’ to this US Postal Service scam via a pretty obviously fake email:

postalnews.com

Digging shows this has been around for a year or more.

374 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 1:37:19pm

No theocracies of any kind allowed, damn it!

Tunisia political crisis 2013

Thousands of Tunisians crowd square in Tunis to put pressure on the Islamist-led government to step down - @Reuters

375 dog philosopher  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 1:37:30pm

re: #367 Stanley Sea

Mammoth Rally

i was at the sabre tooth tiger rally on the other side of town

376 AlexRogan  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 1:39:02pm

re: #351 Justanotherhuman

Not reported is whether or not Weiner’s weiner survived intact. Film at 11.

Anthony Weiner involved in minor car crash in NYC

boston.com

Was he tweeting his dong while driving?

/

377 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 1:39:48pm

re: #375 dog philosopher

i was at the sabre tooth tiger rally on the other side of town

Just sitting here knapping a Clovis point.

378 dog philosopher  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 1:39:56pm

if democrats are the real racists and republicans are the real civil rights leaders, why aren’t they conducting memorials for this day?

379 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 1:43:30pm

re: #378 dog philosopher

if democrats are the real racists and republicans are the real civil rights leaders, why aren’t they conducting memorials for this day?

Because shut up.

380 darthstar  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 1:44:30pm
381 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 1:45:38pm

re: #380 darthstar

Heh.

9gag.com

Image: aRQKP15_700b.jpg

you should send those to Bradley Chelsea Manning!

382 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 1:45:45pm

If an injustice is committed outside the realm of the USA is it really an injustice?

//

383 darthstar  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 1:46:49pm

re: #381 sattv4u2

you should send those to Bradley Chelsea Manning!

She needs to let her hair grow out - if military prisons allow it.

384 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 1:47:56pm

re: #383 darthstar

She needs to let her hair grow out - if military prisons allow it.

I wonder if three hots and a cot includes a bikini waxing?

385 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 1:49:49pm

re: #381 sattv4u2

you should send those to Bradley Chelsea Manning!

re: #383 darthstar

She needs to let her hair grow out - if military prisons allow it.

re: #384 sattv4u2

I wonder if three hots and a cot includes a bikini waxing?

9_9

386 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 1:50:36pm
387 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 1:52:41pm

Hey, where do I find Bears in Skyrim?

I mean bear-bears, not cave bears and snow bears.

388 A Mom Anon  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 1:56:37pm

re: #380 darthstar

Featuring Neck Hair, for the win!! hilarious.

389 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 1:59:02pm

re: #387 ProTARDISLiberal

Hey, where do I find Bears in Skyrim?

I mean bear-bears, not cave bears and snow bears.

You mean normal bears?

390 Political Atheist  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 1:59:20pm

Wheels turn, decisions to be made. Glad I am not President. Now watch Putin.

AP US forces move closer to Syria as options weighed
Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel declined to discuss any specific force movements while saying that Obama had asked the Pentagon to prepare military options for Syria. U.S. defense officials told The Associated Press that the Navy had sent a fourth warship armed with ballistic missiles into the eastern Mediterranean Sea but without immediate orders for any missile launch into Syria.

EDIT-This seems odd about the article. “ballistic” may not be the right term for cruise missiles.

391 A Mom Anon  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 1:59:21pm

re: #373 Decatur Deb

I got a couple of those yesterday. Sometimes I get them in French too, lol. Most of them end up in the junk mail via the filter, but now and then one gets through.

Amazing what people will fall for. Sometimes it pays to be a curmudgeon and not trust hardly anyone,lol.

392 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:00:28pm

Uh, David Miranda is not a member of the press. He is a guy that got caught with stolen property.

393 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:01:24pm

re: #392 NJDhockeyfan

[Embedded content]


Uh, David Miranda is not a member of the press. He is a guy caught with stolen property.

This is why I gave up. It’s like dealing with truthers.
:/

394 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:04:13pm

re: #390 Political Atheist

Wheels turn, decisions to be made. Glad I am not President. Now watch Putin.

EDIT-This seems odd about the article. “ballistic” may not be the right term for cruise missiles.

Wikipedia:

A ballistic missile is a missile that follows a ballistic flightpath with the objective of delivering one or more warheads to a predetermined target. Shorter range ballistic missiles stay within the Earth’s atmosphere, while longer range ones are designed to spend some of their flight time above the atmosphere and are thus considered sub-orbital.

395 darthstar  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:04:40pm
396 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:05:47pm

Cruise missiles are not ballistic.
;)

397 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:06:33pm


Derp.

398 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:07:13pm

re: #397 Gus

[Embedded content]


Derp.

And that’s relevant…why?

399 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:08:06pm

re: #392 NJDhockeyfan

[Embedded content]

Uh, David Miranda is not a member of the press. He is a guy that got caught with stolen property.

David Miranda, Schrodinger’s Journalist, who’s only a journalist when it’s convenient to accuse the government of having it out for journalists.

400 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:08:39pm

re: #398 Pavlovian Hive Mind

And that’s relevant…why?

401 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:08:53pm

Oops. Kind.

402 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:09:59pm

Call me crazy, but I don’t think King would approve of the dudebros lying their asses off.

403 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:10:26pm

“King slammed LBJ on Vietnam therefore King would have slammed PBO on drones, NSA, GWOT and all the things therefore a) you would have called King an emoprog and b) that makes me just like King and you’re just a jingoistic establishment Democrat and Obama loyalist. :P”

404 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:11:44pm

Oh, and fuck you dudebros for using MLK while you support a nutter libertarian who pals around with Neo Confeds.

405 Political Atheist  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:11:46pm

re: #394 wrenchwench

Yeah, I think the flight path matters. Which matters because ballistic missiles could easily be mistaken for nukes. Cruise missiles fly pretty much like a plane can, not on a big ballistic arc trajectory. IIRC, navy subs have ballistic missiles and cruise missiles, ships just have cruise missiles and the amazing Standard AA missile that once killed a satellite.

406 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:12:49pm
407 Gus  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:13:12pm
408 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:13:18pm

re: #405 Political Atheist

Yeah, I think the flight path matters. Which matters because ballistic missiles could easily be mistaken for nukes. Cruise missiles fly pretty much like a plane can, not on a big ballistic arc trajectory. IIRC, navy subs have ballistic missiles and cruise missiles, ships just have cruise missiles and the amazing Standard AA missile that once killed a satellite.

Yep. We’d never launch a ballistic missile with a conventional warhead during war. All would assume (As we would) that it was nuclear.

409 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:13:27pm

re: #370 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

People of color!

410 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:14:51pm

What. The. Fuck.

Glenn Greenwald ‏@ggreenwald 1h

John Quiggin on the pathological pattern of NSA defenders crookedtimber.org

411 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:15:38pm

re: #410 Justanotherhuman

What. The. Fuck.

Glenn Greenwald ‏@ggreenwald 1h

John Quiggin on the pathological pattern of NSA defenders crookedtimber.org

Massive projector is massive!

412 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:15:42pm

Hey dudebros, do the wingnuts know you’re trying to coopt King when they’ve already got him as proof that the GOP is the “true” civil rights party?

413 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:17:37pm

re: #410 Justanotherhuman

What. The. Fuck.

Glenn Greenwald ‏@ggreenwald 1h

John Quiggin on the pathological pattern of NSA defenders crookedtimber.org

This coming from the folks who respond to any criticism of Greenwald’s reporting with “Goddamned Obamabots! If you love the NSA so much, why don’t you marry it?!”

414 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:18:26pm

re: #413 Targetpractice

This coming from the folks who respond to any criticism of Greenwald’s reporting with “Goddamned Obamabots! If you love the NSA so much, why don’t you marry it?!”

You mafainaziobamabot!

415 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:20:05pm
416 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:24:02pm

re: #415 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

You forgot the pic.
Image: Challenge_accepted.png

417 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:25:04pm

re: #411 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Massive projector is massive!

1. “Miranda was denied a lawyer! That’s totally illegal!”
2. “Okay, he was offered a lawyer, but why would he accept an offer from government stormtroopers?!”
3. “Okay, so he got a lawyer in his last hour, but why did it take so long!?”

I do hope the dudebros are remembering to lift with their knees when they move those goalposts.

418 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:26:08pm

re: #417 Targetpractice

1. “Miranda was denied a lawyer! That’s totally illegal!”
2. “Okay, he was offered a lawyer, but why would he accept an offer from government stormtroopers?!”
3. “Okay, so he got a lawyer in his last hour, but why did it take so long!?”

I do hope the dudebros are remembering to lift with their knees when they move those goalposts.

They just done put rockets on them goalposts.

419 b.d.  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:26:36pm

If MLK were alive today the DudeBros would say that they were responsible for getting all of those streets named after him.

420 Stanley Sea  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:29:01pm
421 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:29:29pm

re: #389 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Yes.

422 elizajane  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:29:49pm

re: #412 Targetpractice

Hey dudebros, do the wingnuts know you’re trying to coopt King when they’ve already got him as proof that the GOP is the “true” civil rights party?

That’s the bliss of Convergence. You can hate each other in theory and still coopt the same figures in practice.

423 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:29:59pm
424 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:31:17pm

re: #423 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Uh….
Run?

425 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:32:09pm

re: #421 ProTARDISLiberal

Yes.

Well, I had most of my luck around the hills of Ivarstead. Though, that was some time ago.

426 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:32:15pm

re: #424 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Uh….
Run?

No way!

I would be sitting right there (wherever the camera was) marveling and enjoying the hell out of that

427 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:33:32pm

re: #426 sattv4u2

No way!

I would be sitting right there (wherever the camera was) marveling and enjoying the hell out of that

You do that, I’ll be in the bunker.
:P

428 Political Atheist  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:35:11pm

re: #423 Charles Johnson

I have been watching these cells, but 3 or 4 hours out is a little far, hoping they come closer tomorrow.

Image: Boomers.jpg

429 Stanley Sea  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:35:16pm

re: #423 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Fuck those 70 fish specifically.

430 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:36:08pm

re: #427 Pavlovian Hive Mind

You do that, I’ll be in the bunker.
:P

my love and fascination with lightning storms started at a very young age. every summer my paternal grandparents would rent a cottage at Hampton beach NH for a couple of weeks. When everyone else would be cowering inside during the inevitable late afternoon thunder/ lighting storm my aunt and I would sit out on the porch and watch the show

431 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:36:58pm

re: #430 sattv4u2

my love and fascination with lightning storms started at a very young age. every summer my paternal grandparents would rent a cottage at Hampton beach NH for a couple of weeks. When everyone else would be cowering inside during the inevitable late afternoon thunder/ lighting storm my aunt and I would sit out on the porch and watch the show

Ah, see, my house was hit by lightning when I was a kid.
No fire, but scary as hell.

432 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:36:59pm

re: #427 Pavlovian Hive Mind

And now,,, living here in Atlanta,,we get LOTS of those late p.m. ones

Beautiful!!

433 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:37:30pm

re: #431 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Ah, see, my house was hit by lightning when I was a kid.
No fire, but scary as hell.

Ah then,,, RUN,, DUCK ,,, HIDE

434 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:37:45pm

re: #429 Stanley Sea

Fuck those 70 fish specifically.

Who’s up for slightly overcooked seafood???

435 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:38:32pm

re: #418 Pavlovian Hive Mind

They just done put rockets on them goalposts.

The fact of the entire Miranda detention matter is that he was just someone, some ordinary schlub, transporting stolen US govt documents.

Miranda is as much of a “journalist” as I am. Or does that kind of thinking make me a history professor just because I had a relationship with one and read something he recommended?

436 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:38:53pm

re: #433 sattv4u2

Ah then,,, RUN,, DUCK ,,, HIDE

I still remember feeling the bolt. *Shudders*

437 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:39:35pm

re: #431 Pavlovian Hive Mind

A few years ago my late mom, my sister and I saw a lightening bolt very close to our front window. I have a very strong respect for Mother Nature since then.

438 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:40:44pm

Oh, but I’ll stand outside and watch when the odd TS or hurricane comes through Virginia.
So…yeah.

439 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:41:20pm

re: #437 PhillyPretzel

A few years ago my late mom, my sister and I saw a lightening bolt very close to our front window. I have a very strong respect for Mother Nature since then.

a couple of years ago i was siting on my back (screened) porch watching the show. A bolt hit the small tree right beside it

I moved inside!

440 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:43:45pm

I think this was from Independence Day.
/
Youtube Video

441 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Aug 24, 2013 2:56:26pm

re: #431 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Ah, see, my house was hit by lightning when I was a kid.
No fire, but scary as hell.

Nothing like that smell of ozone after a near lightning strike, eh?

442 Tribeca Mike  Mon, Aug 26, 2013 7:23:17am

With his wide collared open neck shirt, he looks more like the Saturday Night Fever Avenger.


This article has been archived.
Comments are closed.

^ back to top ^

TwitterFacebook

Turn off all ads for a full year by subscribing!
For about 33 cents a day (per month) or 22 cents a day (per year), our subscription option turns off all advertisements at LGF!
Read more...

► LGF Headlines

  • Loading...

► Tweeted Articles

  • Loading...

► Tweeted Pages

  • Loading...

► Top 10 Comments

  • Loading...

► Bottom Comments

  • Loading...

► Recent Comments

  • Loading...

► Tools/Info

► Tag Cloud

► Contact

You must have Javascript enabled to use the contact form.
Your email:

Subject:

Message:


Messages may be published unless you request otherwise.
Tech Note:
Using the Contact Form
LGF Pages

This button leads to the main index of LGF Pages, our user-submitted articles. You can post your own LGF Pages simply by registering a free account with us.

Create a Page

This is the LGF Pages posting bookmarklet. To use it, drag this button to your browser's bookmark bar, and title it 'LGF Pages' (or whatever you like). Then browse to a site you want to post, select some text on the page to use for a quote, click the bookmarklet, and the Pages posting window will appear with the title, text, and any embedded video or audio files already filled in, ready to go.

Or... you can just click this button to open the Pages posting window right away.

Last updated: 2014-03-07 2:19 pm PST

LGF User's Guide
Recent Pages
BadExampleMan
Puna, Hawaii Lava Flow - September 16th Update
From Hawaii 24/7, some nice aerial shots including pictures of the road improvements to Railroad Avenue and Government Beach Road to create alternate routes in case Highway 130 is cut. I'm kind of chuffed about the improvements to Railroad Avenue. ...

1 hour, 2 minutes ago
Views: 52 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 1 • Rating: 0
CriticalDragon1177
Alternet - Nicholas Wade’s Flawed Book Rewrites the History of Scientific Racism
Jon Phillips takes on Nicholas Wade's claims, and proves once again that so called "scientific" racism is little more than a pseudoscience. This was originally posted in September 2014 edition of the Southern Poverty Law Center's Intelligence Report, ( ...

9 hours, 17 minutes ago
Views: 98 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 0
FemNaziBitch
This Is What an Abortion Looks Like -NYT
This is how it really is, abortion: You do things you regret or don't understand and then you make other choices because life keeps going forward. Or you do something out of love and then, through biology or accident, ...

18 hours, 2 minutes ago
Views: 164 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 1
Randall Gross
Looking for the Key to Security in the Internet of Things
As the number of Internet connected-devices in any home skyrockets from a few, to a few dozen, to perhaps even a few hundred--including interconnecting thermostats, appliances, health and fitness monitors and personal accessories like smart watches--security concerns for this ...

19 hours, 7 minutes ago
Views: 101 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 0
Lumberhead
Angry Letters to the One Member of Congress Who Voted Against the War on Terror - the Atlantic
My first attempt at a page - so here we go: The article is a little long but well worth while. I found it to be nicely balanced with interesting excerpts from supporters as well as detractors. Barbara Lee was ...

1 day, 11 hours ago
Views: 252 • Comments: 2
Tweets: 1 • Rating: 5
The War TARDIS
Doctor Who “Listen” Open Thread
I'm back. Last week, I couldn't do this thread, as something more important was going on. One of my best friends, a sweet, and very devout Christian, is going to the UK to help a Christian Group in Oxford, and ...

3 days, 10 hours ago
Views: 265 • Comments: 42
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 3
Rightwingconspirator
Are Higher Frame Rates Really a Better Moving Image in Cinema?
As a guy who scratches the surface of this medium with humble indy efforts and some industrial video experience I have to watch carefully. If I commit to the wrong camera or format, it can hurt financially. Once I had ...

4 days, 12 hours ago
Views: 452 • Comments: 7
Tweets: 25 • Rating: 6
Slap
For guitar fans…
I suppose one needs to be a guitar freak of a certain age to recognize both of these guys. Gabrels' work might be familiar to fans of Bowie/Tin Machine. Nelson's work? I believe him to be one of the most ...

4 days, 15 hours ago
Views: 287 • Comments: 2
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 1
GlutenFreeJesus
Check your gmail accounts!
Here's the link to the tool. One of mine was on that list, so I changed the password. Good luck! isleaked.com

6 days, 7 hours ago
Views: 518 • Comments: 2
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 7
I Stand With Big Sodomy!
French speaking tourists wanted for luring, kicking squirrel into Grand Canyon
Needless to say the little guy didn't make it. The tourists are described as two French-speaking men, wearing only cowboy hats and boxer shorts. Story

6 days, 12 hours ago
Views: 645 • Comments: 6
Tweets: 1 • Rating: 5
 Frank says:

All right kiddies, we'll play "wipe-out" for you in a moment. -- Frank's comment to the crowd at a 1968 concert in Dallas, Tx