The Troubling Treatment of Journalists During Ferguson Coverage

Law enforcement seems to be going out of its way to harass, detain, and arrest journalists covering events in Ferguson
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The law enforcement response to the shooting death of Michael Brown at the hands of Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson has been troubling in all aspects, but the local police (including Ferguson PD, St. Louis County Police, and other agencies) treatment of journalists is especially so.

Journalists are being harassed at every opportunity. They’ve been harassed while in private stores. They’ve been gassed/smoked out of their location shots by trigger-happy county police. They’ve been detained and arrested - all because they’re covering the events as they’re unfolding.

But remember, it’s the community that is engaging in violence. Right.

We cannot and should not ignore law enforcement’s excessive use of force, and singling out journalists for harassment and arrest.

This is hardly an isolated case in Ferguson.

In fact, there are an increasing and troubling number of incidents. Among the more notable:

Two journalists, including one from the WaPo, were taken from a McDonalds and arrested without charges. They were released shortly thereafter, once Captain Jackson of the Ferguson PD realized what happened.

There’s video showing an al Jazeera video crew being targeted by police with tear/smoke grenade and their equipment was shut down by county police.

Chris Hayes was targeted - and he tweeted that any journalists who stepped more than a few feet from the journalist enclave would be spot-lit and targeted by police with hair-triggers (even though the military trains soldiers not to aim weapons at anyone unless you’re ready to shoot that person, the county and local police department are purposefully aiming their weapons at anyone/everyone at the slightest provocation, which includes breathing, reporting, and protesting).

Additional journalists were arrested/detained.

Overnight, several journalists reported being detained, threatened or otherwise prevented from covering the unfolding story. The arrest late Sunday night of three reporters — Robert Klemko of Sports Illustrated, Chicago-based Financial Times reporter Neil Munshi and Rob Crilly, a foreign correspondent for the Telegraph (and no stranger to war zones) — reportedly came as the journalists attempted to gather more information while police faced off with protesters.

They were ordered arrested by Missouri Highway Patrol Capt. Ron Johnson, who has been serving as a critical bridge between the Ferguson community and law enforcement.

Klemko claims that they had followed all the police instructions, and they were released shortly thereafter.

But this shows that the police, even Capt. Johnson, are pushing the boundaries on proper law enforcement.

There’s also the account of Pearl Gable of the NY Daily News who was also handcuffed and harassed.

When the cop was satisfied I was a newspaper photographer doing my job, he gave me back my belongings.

He asked, “Who do you work for?”

I said, “The New York Daily News.”

“Welcome to St. Louis,” he said before letting me go.

And not without a hint of irony. Now imagine being a Ferguson resident who has to deal with these officers on a daily basis.

Note too that President Obama has warned law enforcement not to bully or harass journalists:

“Here in the United States of America, police should not be bullying or arresting journalists who are just trying to do their job and report to the American people what they see on the ground,”

Many of the aforementioned incidents came after that warning.

UPDATE at 8/18/14 4:54:36 pm by lawhawk


You’d think that the Ferguson PD and other local law enforcement would realize just how bad the crackdown on journalists would look. You’d be wrong.

They’re still at it this afternoon. They’ve arrested and detained numerous journalists, including Getty photographers and even CNN reporter Don Lemon, who was live on television while police harassed him until they found another person to go after.

UPDATE at 8/19/14 7:18:43 am by lawhawk


Smell the schadenfreude. Last night, Breitbart reporter Kerry Picket was among a number of journalists who were arrested/detained by police (all typos in the report are courtesy of Breitbart):

Breitbart News reporter Kerry Picket was arrested late Monday afternoon by a Missouri State Trooper and released several hours later with an apology from the arresting officer and his lieutenant.
The State Trooper initially said that Breitbart News, a credentialed media outlet, could not walk directly to a media staging area on West Florissant Avenue and would have to take a detour.

However, a detour did not exist for pedestrians. As Picket began to walk toward the staging being blocked by the Trooper, she was handcuffed with plastic-ties, with my hands behind her back and told to get on her knees.

Picket was later searched and had to give up my belongings from her person. Picket was hauled off in a St. Louis County Police Truck and was on the verge of being booked.

Picket was released when it was discovered that the trooper misunderstood directions from his superiors and was told to not allow vehicle traffic through but to allow foot traffic through. Both the arresting officer and his lieutenant apologized to Picket, who was then released.

So, let’s break this down to component parts.

A credentialed journalist (from Breitbart) tries to cover the report and follows directions provided to the media pool by law enforcement so as to avoid being arrested or caught up in law enforcement sweeps.

Officers don’t follow the very directions that were given to journalists, and arrest/detain the reporter.

Only after a couple of hours, the reporter was released with apologies.

Let that sink in.

You’ve got a police force (comprised of multiple units from multiple departments) engaging in policing a civil disturbance, and they’re not even consistent on what they’re doing. They’re arresting reporters who are complying with the law enforcement rules, which are already onerous, all while continuing to crack down violently on protesters some of whom are coming from outside Ferguson like moths to the flame to pour gasoline on an already volatile situation.

If the police can’t even get this part right, now imagine what the community thinks of a police investigation into one of their own killing an unarmed black guy. If you were wondering why the violence keeps getting ratcheted up every time the county police come calling with their armored vehicles, there you go.

This is a police force that is out of control, and can’t even follow the rules that they initiated.

So, when you wonder why there’s a curfew, pre-curfew, double-secret curfew, and no one knows what’s going on or why the police are running through the streets with their armored vehicles to disrupt the protests, there you go.

It’s a clusterfuck, courtesy of an out-of-control police force.

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387 comments
1 nines09  Aug 18, 2014 11:33:42am

Apparently a camera and microphone is a very dangerous weapon and must be controlled, especially on the street with riot police present.

2 WhatEVs  Aug 18, 2014 12:38:23pm

What’s truly terrifying is that they behave this way knowing that the cameras were rolling. What would they do if the cameras weren’t there?

3 lawhawk  Aug 18, 2014 12:42:57pm

re: #2 Joanne

That’s how it is on nearly every police stop in the US right now. Only a few jurisdictions have rolled out cameras on officers, and at least one study has shown a significant reduction in excessive force complaints and use since then.

It’s why having cameras on every cop car and every officer should be a major campaign issue - make the money available for this, and you’ll save more in the long run by reducing lawsuits, improve law enforcement, and make for safer communities.

As to what the FPD and other police operating in Ferguson, they’re just engaging in bullying - for the sake of bullying.

4 Skip Intro  Aug 18, 2014 4:42:01pm

re: #3 lawhawk

One suggestion. Don’t let the cops turn it off

5 Lidane  Aug 19, 2014 7:16:56am

If these journalists have nothing to hide they don’t have anything to worry about. This is what they get for surrounding themselves with thugs.

/Fox News

6 b.d.  Aug 19, 2014 7:20:37am

Just putting this out there:

I don’t care if the reporters are from The Intercept or Breitbart News, this is ridiculous, out of control and needs to stop.

And, btw, somewhat related is this good article:

Sorry, No, Obama is Definitely Not “The Greatest Enemy to Press Freedom in a Generation”

thedailybanter.com

7 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 19, 2014 7:21:01am

That reminds me of the news programs that were broadcast from the 1968 Chicago convention:

BEAT THE PRESS
and
MACE THE NATION

8 Romantic Heretic  Aug 19, 2014 7:22:20am

Don’t know if this has been posted here yet, but Amnesty International has observers in Ferguson.

9 Lidane  Aug 19, 2014 7:24:28am

re: #8 Romantic Heretic

Don’t know if this has been posted here yet, but Amnesty International has observers in Ferguson.

IIRC they were being pushed out by the cops last night. They weren’t happy about that AT ALL. And they have a point — if we can’t control cops here or protect human rights here how can we demand that other countries do it?

10 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 7:24:42am

From the Breitbart article mentioned downstream. Another comment. Much more to what I was expecting.

“Both the arresting officer and his lieutenant apologized to Picket, who was then released.”

Where is Federal Agent to arrest officer for violating First Amendment Rights? Oh, never mind, only Obama’s Elitist Bigots Sharpton, Jackson, and Holder have those Rights.

That said, I am kind of shocked at how the majority are reacting there.

11 lawhawk  Aug 19, 2014 7:24:51am

Thanks for the promotion Charles. Law enforcement has been going out of its way to clamp down on journalists during the protests and riots, and last night was no different (I’ve updated to include one particular instance involving a Breitbart report that shows just how out of control law enforcement is where they can’t even follow the rules they laid down to avoid this very kind of instance).

None of this excuses the violence coming from those protesting, but there are numerous instances of where the protesters are trying to police themselves, and that the agitators are coming from outside Ferguson like moths to the flame to pour gasoline on an already volatile situation. Capt. Johnson has said as much.

You know that things are bad in Ferguson when apparently the Bloods and Crips are joining together to try and prevent further looting and violence.

12 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 7:25:30am

re: #9 Lidane

IIRC they were being pushed out by the cops last night. They weren’t happy about that AT ALL. And they have a point — if we can’t control cops here or protect human rights here how can we demand that other countries do it?

Not just AI. Press from Germany were arrested, too. They were very not happy.

13 Lidane  Aug 19, 2014 7:26:20am

re: #6 b.d.

Just putting this out there:

I don’t care if the reporters are from The Intercept or Breitbart News, this is ridiculous, out of control and needs to stop.

Yeah, this. Breitbart is a cesspool and The Intercept isn’t a real journalistic outlet, but their reporters deserve the same dignity as anyone else when they’re out there covering this story.

The cops are out of control gassing and threatening everyone. It’s insane.

14 Franklin  Aug 19, 2014 7:31:04am
15 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 7:31:18am

I just saw an Acura commercial that used Sid Vicious singing My Way as the musical background. Wow.

16 Lidane  Aug 19, 2014 7:31:27am

re: #11 lawhawk

You know that things are bad in Ferguson when apparently the Bloods and Crips are joining together to try and prevent further looting and violence.

Seriously. If that’s not a wake up call that things are fucked up on the ground in Ferguson, I don’t know what is.

17 Decatur Deb  Aug 19, 2014 7:31:58am

re: #13 Lidane

Yeah, this. Breitbart is a cesspool and The Intercept isn’t a real journalistic outlet, but their reporters deserve the same dignity as anyone else when they’re out there covering this story.

The cops are out of control gassing and threatening everyone. It’s insane.

Might want to extend that dignity to people who aren’t reporters.

Less snarkily, sooner or later we are going to have to address the question of who is a journalist in the cheap digital world. What is the minimal investment in education, equipment, readership, and credentialing that gets someone through police lines?

18 Lidane  Aug 19, 2014 7:32:38am

‘Say That S**t!’ Fox Reporter Gets Cursed Out On-Air By Ferguson Protestor (VIDEO)

A Fox News correspondent found himself on the receiving end of a profane, on-air tirade late Monday after he referred to the latest round of violence in Ferguson, Mo. as “child’s play.”

Reporting on the ground from the St. Louis suburb, correspondent Steve Harrigan described the scene to anchor Shepard Smith.

“This is right now a media event, pure and simple. This is people running towards tear gas, running away from it,” Harrigan said. “The dignified protestors went home at dusk. This is just child’s play right now.”

That description didn’t sit well with a demonstrator, who angrily confronted Harrigan during the live shot.

19 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 7:32:49am

re: #16 Lidane

There are several groups in Ferguson which I am not enamored with who are behaving better than the cops.

Crips and Bloods FFS.

20 Franklin  Aug 19, 2014 7:34:04am
21 Franklin  Aug 19, 2014 7:34:56am

re: #20 Franklin

And @CSIS’s response…it was an error (lol)

22 Lidane  Aug 19, 2014 7:35:00am

re: #17 Decatur Deb

Might want to extend that dignity to people who aren’t reporters.

Well sure. Nobody should be tear gassed or shot at with rubber bullets just for protesting peacefully. They shouldn’t get arrested just for being at a public demonstration.

The RCP assholes that are trying to start a war? Fuck those guys. The people who live in Ferguson and who just want answers and who are out there peacefully? They deserve a lot better than what they’ve gotten so far.

23 lawhawk  Aug 19, 2014 7:37:19am
24 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 7:37:55am

re: #17 Decatur Deb

Might want to extend that dignity to people who aren’t reporters.

Less snarkily, sooner or later we are going to have to address the question of who is a journalist in the cheap digital world. What is the minimal investment in education, equipment, readership, and credentialing that gets someone through police lines?

Agreed. Is someone with a YouTube channel a journalist? Is a citizen journalist a journalist? Look at the deference given to O’Keefe by lawmakers. Journos are not just ABC, CBS, NBC, et al, any longer.

That guy in FL who was driving like an idiot who crashed his truck, while the person video taping it, who was also acting foolish, and turned that video over to police who arrested the guy in the truck. Wouldn’t that be a form of citizen journalism?

And honestly, what is considered a journalist these days is really little more than a stenographer “printing” press releases.

25 Lidane  Aug 19, 2014 7:39:04am

re: #19 Joanne

Yeah, when the Crips and the Bloods are the ones working to prevent looting and keeping the peace, you know things are fucked. Also, Malik Shabazz was out there encouraging people to link arms and hold the line and to stay calm.

Things are so bad with the cops in Ferguson. It’s crazy. I’ve never seen anything like this in my lifetime. Of course, I was born after Kent State and after the civil rights era.

26 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 19, 2014 7:39:28am

Glenn Greenwald has been oddly silent on Ferguson hasn’t he?

27 KerFuFFler  Aug 19, 2014 7:40:54am

It seems to me that if the powers that be were interested in protecting the people and property of Ferguson, they would have paired police with residents and media to line the streets protecting storefronts and then allowed peaceful protesters to parade through unmolested. Co-operation between the residents and police would build trust and promote healing while protecting local businesses and the First Amendment.

But clearly, the police have doubled down on an us vs. them strategy that provokes the sort of mayhem that the police hope will reflect poorly on the African-American community.

28 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 19, 2014 7:41:19am

Also, I’m no legal expert. I’m curious how the hell you can arrest someone who has not committed a crime?

29 Jenner7  Aug 19, 2014 7:41:24am

talkingpointsmemo.com

“Very important with marijuana is the levels of the different drugs that are present in marijuana to have an opinion as to whether or not he might have been affected by the marijuana, so that he may have been acting in a crazy way and may have done things to the police officer that normally he would not have done,” he said.

30 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 19, 2014 7:41:24am

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

Glenn Greenwald has been oddly silent on Ferguson hasn’t he?

He’s been retweeting @rdevro

31 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 7:42:32am

re: #28 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, I’m no legal expert. I’m curious how the hell you can arrest someone who has not committed a crime?

They are technically not arresting many of the people (at least the journos). They are detaining them for a couple of hours before releasing them. None have paperwork or court dates or anything.

How they are treating citizens during these arrests…I don’t know.

32 Lidane  Aug 19, 2014 7:43:10am

You’ve GOT to be fucking kidding me:

CNN Anchor Suggests Police Use Water Cannons On Ferguson Protesters

In discussing seemingly less-violent options for crowd control, Rosemary Church wonders why the largely white authorities in Ferguson haven’t considered using water cannons on the the largely black crowds. Once her co-anchor Errol Barnett processed what she just said, he looks at her like she’s gone insane.

Video at the link.

33 FemNaziBitch  Aug 19, 2014 7:45:21am

Didn’t they do the same thing in Egypt during their last civil unrest? There was at least one incident of a female reporter being raped.

34 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 7:45:31am

re: #31 Joanne

35 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 7:47:19am

re: #18 Lidane

‘Say That S**t!’ Fox Reporter Gets Cursed Out On-Air By Ferguson Protestor (VIDEO)

Good it’s time that FNC be exposed for the pathetic Propaganda outlet they are.

36 Jayleia  Aug 19, 2014 7:48:07am

re: #32 Lidane

1964 called, it wants its crowd control tactics back.

37 Skip Intro  Aug 19, 2014 7:48:20am

re: #28 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, I’m no legal expert. I’m curious how the hell you can arrest someone who has not committed a crime?

In Germany they called it “protective custody”.

38 FemNaziBitch  Aug 19, 2014 7:49:05am

re: #11 lawhawk

Thanks for the promotion Charles. Law enforcement has been going out of its way to clamp down on journalists during the protests and riots, and last night was no different (I’ve updated to include one particular instance involving a Breitbart report that shows just how out of control law enforcement is where they can’t even follow the rules they laid down to avoid this very kind of instance).

None of this excuses the violence coming from those protesting, but there are numerous instances of where the protesters are trying to police themselves, and that the agitators are coming from outside Ferguson like moths to the flame to pour gasoline on an already volatile situation. Capt. Johnson has said as much.

You know that things are bad in Ferguson when apparently the Bloods and Crips are joining together to try and prevent further looting and violence.

And people wonder why organized crime (gangs) continues to exist.

“It’s a police for people who can’t go to the police” —(paraphrased from Goodfellas)

39 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 7:49:05am

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

Glenn Greenwald has been oddly silent on Ferguson hasn’t he?

Only thing I saw from him was a dogwhistle about the STL County PD having gone to Israel. As for words about the Ferguson PD’s mistreatment of the press, no, that narcissistic ass hasn’t said a damn word as far as I’ve seen.

40 Skip Intro  Aug 19, 2014 7:49:19am

re: #32 Lidane

There’s that liberal media again.

41 danarchy  Aug 19, 2014 7:49:34am

re: #28 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, I’m no legal expert. I’m curious how the hell you can arrest someone who has not committed a crime?

I think most of them haven’t actually been arrested just detained.

ie. No miranda reading no booking, fingerprinting etc. Generally just held for a while and then released.

42 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 19, 2014 7:50:45am

“Washington Professional Football Players honor Michael Brown”
Entire article does not mention the team name. Well played, ThinkProg.

43 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 7:51:05am

re: #32 Lidane

You’ve GOT to be fucking kidding me:

CNN Anchor Suggests Police Use Water Cannons On Ferguson Protesters

Video at the link.

The hell is wrong with people. Really, really? Watercannons? Man remind me never to protest injustice while black.

44 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 19, 2014 7:51:16am

re: #24 Joanne

Agreed. Is someone with a YouTube channel a journalist? Is a citizen journalist a journalist? Look at the deference given to O’Keefe by lawmakers. Journos are not just ABC, CBS, NBC, et al, any longer.

That guy in FL who was driving like an idiot who crashed his truck, while the person video taping it, who was also acting foolish, and turned that video over to police who arrested the guy in the truck. Wouldn’t that be a form of citizen journalism?

And honestly, what is considered a journalist these days is really little more than a stenographer “printing” press releases.

I look at it like this. Where the big networks leave a vacuum, bloggers and live streamers and ordinary people with some kind of camera will fill it. then as should naturally follow-Equal protection under the law.

While authorities can create perimeters that require a pass, it’s on us ordinary folk to somehow get it done. I have talked my way onto a press vehicle or area a time or three. Lots of ordinary people with cameras made a big positive difference in Occupy.

45 FemNaziBitch  Aug 19, 2014 7:51:46am
46 Dr Lizardo  Aug 19, 2014 7:52:29am

re: #37 Skip Intro

In Germany they called it “protective custody”.

Schutzhaft I believe it was called.

47 Skip Intro  Aug 19, 2014 7:52:39am

Larry KKKlayman weighs in.

Obama Wants To Rename The White House ‘The Black House,’ Start A ‘Race War’

rightwingwatch.org

48 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 7:53:02am

re: #43 HappyWarrior

The hell is wrong with people. Really, really? Watercannons? Man remind me never to protest injustice while black.

The expression on the face of the guy sitting next to her was priceless. It was truly a WTF? look.

49 bratwurst  Aug 19, 2014 7:53:18am
50 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 19, 2014 7:53:30am

re: #39 HappyWarrior

Only thing I saw from him was a dogwhistle about the STL County PD having gone to Israel. As for words about the Ferguson PD’s mistreatment of the press, no, that narcissistic ass hasn’t said a damn word as far as I’ve seen.

51 FemNaziBitch  Aug 19, 2014 7:54:31am

re: #22 Lidane

Well sure. Nobody should be tear gassed or shot at with rubber bullets just for protesting peacefully. They shouldn’t get arrested just for being at a public demonstration.

The RCP assholes that are trying to start a war? Fuck those guys. The people who live in Ferguson and who just want answers and who are out there peacefully? They deserve a lot better than what they’ve gotten so far.

Black people walking the streets after dark —OH MY!!

52 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 7:54:39am

re: #47 Skip Intro

Larry KKKlayman weighs in.

rightwingwatch.org

Klayman is just mad because the Klan didn’t accept his application. But really this lunacy borders on self-parody.

53 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 19, 2014 7:54:50am

But this is MOAR JOURNALISMY

54 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 7:55:25am

re: #50 Pie-onist Overlord

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He’s actually right here. Too bad he’s an insufferable prick.

55 FemNaziBitch  Aug 19, 2014 7:55:32am

re: #28 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, I’m no legal expert. I’m curious how the hell you can arrest someone who has not committed a crime?

oooh, there are ways to do illegal things legally.

56 Skip Intro  Aug 19, 2014 7:56:16am

re: #52 HappyWarrior

Klayman is just mad because the Klan didn’t accept his application. But really this lunacy borders on self-parody.

I believe that more Republicans would agree with Klayman than disagree.

That’s where we are in the US in the 21st century.

57 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 7:57:34am

re: #56 Skip Intro

I believe that more Republicans would agree with Klayman than disagree.

That’s where we are in the US in the 21st century.

That’s so sad it makes me want to weep.

58 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 7:57:36am

re: #56 Skip Intro

I believe that more Republicans would agree with Klayman than disagree.

That’s where we are in the US in the 21st century.

Oh no doubt about that. Most Republicans have used Obama’s election and re-election to out themselves as even more bigoted assholes than I thought.Conservatism as we know it in America is an extremely fucked up ideology.

59 FemNaziBitch  Aug 19, 2014 8:00:15am

re: #29 Jenner7

talkingpointsmemo.com

so that he may have been acting in a crazy way and may have done things to the police officer that normally he would not have done,” he said

Like told the cop he was a really cool dude and that they should have a couple beers and play some video games —“dude can you play video games with all the electronics in your squad car? Ya know, it’s all good, can we get pizza?”

60 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 19, 2014 8:00:33am

You thought Obama-Hitler memes were bad? Here comes Hilary-Hitler!

61 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 19, 2014 8:01:27am

re: #60 Eclectic Cyborg

You thought Obama-Hitler memes were bad? Here comes Hilary-Hitler!

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Please put that inside a spoiler.Kthxbai.

62 Decatur Deb  Aug 19, 2014 8:01:57am

re: #44 Rightwingconspirator

I look at it like this. Where the big networks leave a vacuum, bloggers and live streamers and ordinary people with some kind of camera will fill it. then as should naturally follow-Equal protection under the law.

While authorities can create perimeters that require a pass, it’s on us ordinary folk to somehow get it done. I have talked my way onto a press vehicle or area a time or three. Lots of ordinary people with cameras made a big positive difference in Occupy.

Getting that pass implies a process of prior certification, something the 1A would be concerned about. At the same time, every asshole with an iPhone is not what the FF had in mind. Technology outstrips law again.

(In the 60s, when I was working the bottom rung of photography, an accepted canon was that you could not call yourself a professional photographer until you made 51% of your income from it.)

63 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 8:02:53am

re: #60 Eclectic Cyborg

You thought Obama-Hitler memes were bad? Here comes Hilary-Hitler!

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Yep here we go again. Pathetic. And honestly that’s one of the least offensive things Hitler ever said. They should get back to us when Hillary can be quoted as saying that an entire race of people should be eradicated.

64 Franklin  Aug 19, 2014 8:03:39am

Journalism!!!!!!!

65 Decatur Deb  Aug 19, 2014 8:03:50am

re: #60 Eclectic Cyborg

You thought Obama-Hitler memes were bad? Here comes Hilary-Hitler!

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Hitler had better portrait lighting.

66 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 19, 2014 8:04:32am

WTFITS

67 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 8:04:45am

re: #64 Franklin

Journalism!!!!!!!

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Our media is such a joke.

68 SteveMcGazi  Aug 19, 2014 8:05:49am

What’s so so special about Ferguson anyway? This country has had protests for years. When is the local leadership going to figure out that the difference between Ferguson and the rest of the country is the response? Where is the local leadership anyway? All I see are a couple of alderman (or council people) who represent the neighborhood.

69 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 19, 2014 8:06:50am

re: #67 HappyWarrior

Our media is such a joke.

This is what happens when News and entertainment divisions fall under the same leadership.

70 Lidane  Aug 19, 2014 8:07:21am

re: #66 Pie-onist Overlord

Hoft is so full of shit. Wilson wouldn’t have been able to see, much less shoot Mike Brown since that kind of injury would’ve had his eye swollen shut and his face heavily bruised.

71 SteveMcGazi  Aug 19, 2014 8:07:33am

re: #60 Eclectic Cyborg

Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.

72 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 19, 2014 8:08:24am

re: #70 Lidane

Hoft is so full of shit. Wilson wouldn’t have been able to see, much less shoot Mike Brown since that kind of injury would’ve had his eye swollen shut and his face heavily bruised.

They’re reading from TRAYVON SLAMMED ZIMMERMAN’S HEAD INTO THE SIDEWALK REPEATEDLY

73 Decatur Deb  Aug 19, 2014 8:08:41am

re: #71 SteveMcGazi

Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.

Said no chickenhawk ever.

74 Dr. Matt  Aug 19, 2014 8:09:24am

CNN and HLN hits a new low by promoting the radio interview of “Josie” conducted by some C-list right-wing hate radio hack.

75 Bulworth  Aug 19, 2014 8:09:33am

re:
#60

That’s pretty much the RWNJ position on gay rights, abortion rights, etc.

76 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 8:09:37am

I see Dim Jim has gotten his message out. Mission accomplished.

Mona Holland

No “liberal” has said any such thing. Several eye witnesses reported that Michael Brown “jerked” as he was running away, as if he may have been shot, and then turned around with his hands up. These same eye witnesses say that Wilson then shot the surrendering Brown multiple times, including as he was falling to the ground.

The forensics is consistent with what the eye witnesses report.

Muawiyah

Not really. There are already 12 witnesses who describe the scene quite differently.

77 Skip Intro  Aug 19, 2014 8:10:45am

lawhawk posted a link to this story the other day. I think it’s worth posting a little bit more to help show why Ferguson is Ferguson.

Cop Being Sued Over Beating Is Now a Ferguson City Councilwoman

In 2009, police in Ferguson, Missouri arrested Henry M. Davis on suspicion of driving under the influence and took him to jail. What followed is described in court documents as “physical contact between the officers and Mr. Davis.” One officer, Kim Tihen, allegedly “struck [Davis] in his head with a closed fist and hit [him] in the head with handcuffs.” Davis suffered a concussion and severe facial lacerations, while an officer was left with a broken nose. Afterwards, prosecutors charged Davis with four counts of destruction of property—because his blood had dirtied the officers’ uniforms.

….

Officer Tihen, for her part, is no longer with the Ferguson police department. In 2012, after four years on the force, she won election to the city council, becoming one of the six-person body’s five white members. (The sixth is Latino.)

motherjones.com

It’s well worth your time to read the whole account. What’s happening now in Ferguson is no accident and no fluke. It’s how the city and police force do business.

78 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 8:10:49am

re: #75 Bulworth

re:
#60

That’s pretty much the RWNJ position on gay rights, abortion rights, etc.

Yep.

79 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 8:10:50am

re: #69 Eclectic Cyborg

This is what happens when News and entertainment divisions fall under the same leadership.

It’s also what happens when News goes from public service to profit center.

80 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 8:12:00am

re: #71 SteveMcGazi

Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.

Commonist! Soshilst! Markist!

81 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 8:12:01am

re: #77 Skip Intro

lawhawk posted a link to this story the other day. I think it’s worth posting a little bit more to help show why Ferguson is Ferguson.

Cop Being Sued Over Beating Is Now a Ferguson City Councilwoman

motherjones.com

It’s well worth your time to read the whole account. What’s happening now in Ferguson is no accident and no fluke. It’s how the city and police force do business.

This is really feeling like the Deep South in the Jim Crow years all over again.

82 Lidane  Aug 19, 2014 8:13:07am

re: #81 HappyWarrior

This is really feeling like the Deep South in the Jim Crow years all over again.

All they need is a bunch of dogs and water cannons.

83 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 8:13:16am

re: #74 Dr. Matt

CNN and HLN hits a new low by promoting the radio interview of “Josie” conducted by some C-list right-wing hate radio hack.

Not just promoting, relaying it over and over and over, and running it on the chyron on full loop.

84 lawhawk  Aug 19, 2014 8:13:20am
85 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 8:14:18am

re: #84 lawhawk

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You think he’s an anarchist or a right wing douche?

86 lawhawk  Aug 19, 2014 8:14:40am

Related:

87 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 19, 2014 8:14:57am

re: #74 Dr. Matt

CNN and HLN hits a new low by promoting the radio interview of “Josie” conducted by some C-list right-wing hate radio hack.

Chuckles Johnson?

88 Decatur Deb  Aug 19, 2014 8:15:12am

re: #84 lawhawk

The white guy on the left is the one who was trying to incite a riot last night. He came here from Chicago.

So why hasn’t a local filed a complaint and had him taken off the street?

89 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 19, 2014 8:15:14am

re: #60 Eclectic Cyborg

Oy. The meme is old: donotlink.com

90 lawhawk  Aug 19, 2014 8:15:24am

re: #85 HappyWarrior

You think he’s an anarchist or a right wing douche?

Does it matter? He’s trying to get his violence on, and he’s doing no one in the community any favors by showing up.

91 FemNaziBitch  Aug 19, 2014 8:15:33am

re: #79 Joanne

It’s also what happens when News goes from public service to profit center.

THIS!!

92 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 19, 2014 8:15:41am

re: #85 HappyWarrior

You think he’s an anarchist or a right wing douche?

Is there much difference between an Anarchist and a Sovereign Citizen?

93 lawhawk  Aug 19, 2014 8:15:47am

re: #87 Eclectic Cyborg

I believe it was Dana Loesh.

94 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 8:15:52am

re: #90 lawhawk

Does it matter? He’s trying to get his violence on, and he’s doing no one in the community any favors by showing up.

Nah I am just curious. Agreed completely.

95 BeachDem  Aug 19, 2014 8:15:59am

re: #30 Pie-onist Overlord

And Jeffrey Jeremy Scahill has as well, with pretentious little asides like this:

Wonder what Scahill means by this in his twitter bio:

author of glenn greenwald’s latest blog post on glenn greenwald’s blog

96 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 8:16:08am

re: #92 Eclectic Cyborg

Is there much difference between an Anarchist and a Sovereign Citizen?

Yes, their favorite band.

97 Franklin  Aug 19, 2014 8:16:10am

re: #85 HappyWarrior

You think he’s an anarchist or a right wing douche?

He’s a commmunist from Chicago:

themissouritorch.com

98 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 19, 2014 8:16:28am

re: #93 lawhawk

I believe it was Dana Loesh.

Oh ok, well that would be more like G list then, wouldn’t it?

99 Decatur Deb  Aug 19, 2014 8:16:36am

re: #85 HappyWarrior

You think he’s an anarchist or a right wing douche?

ID’d yesterday as a fringe communist org. MO is like the Black Bloc.

100 FemNaziBitch  Aug 19, 2014 8:16:56am

re: #96 HappyWarrior

Yes, their favorite band.

I think one probably favors weed and the other a bible.

101 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 8:17:10am

re: #97 Franklin

He’s a commmunist from Chicago:

themissouritorch.com

Agh.

102 lawhawk  Aug 19, 2014 8:17:11am

re: #95 BeachDem

And Jeffrey Jeremy Scahill has as well, with pretentious little asides like this:

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Wonder what Scahill means by this in his twitter bio:

author of glenn greenwald’s latest blog post on glenn greenwald’s blog

It’s from the Department of Redundancy Department.

103 Skip Intro  Aug 19, 2014 8:17:12am

re: #93 lawhawk

I believe it was Dana Loesh.

Wow. Can CNN go any lower?

Dumb question. Of course they can, and will.

104 FemNaziBitch  Aug 19, 2014 8:17:16am

re: #97 Franklin

He’s a commmunist from Chicago:

themissouritorch.com

Is there a Chicago Nazi joke in there somewhere?

105 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 8:17:32am

re: #77 Skip Intro

lawhawk posted a link to this story the other day. I think it’s worth posting a little bit more to help show why Ferguson is Ferguson.

Cop Being Sued Over Beating Is Now a Ferguson City Councilwoman

motherjones.com

It’s well worth your time to read the whole account. What’s happening now in Ferguson is no accident and no fluke. It’s how the city and police force do business.

From the story:

Davis plead guilty to reduced charges and ended up moving to Mississippi. Officer Tihen, for her part, is no longer with the Ferguson police department.

106 urbanmeemaw  Aug 19, 2014 8:17:48am

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

Glenn Greenwald has been oddly silent on Ferguson hasn’t he?

Well, he’s already blamed police action on Obama “militarizing” the local police and the influence of Israel. He’s probably pondering how he can turn his Obama/Israel Derangement Syndrome into a single 30,000 word screed using “explosive” documents from Snowden’s files. That story has become a tad 2013 thing by now.

107 Danny  Aug 19, 2014 8:17:50am

re: #97 Franklin

He’s a commmunist from Chicago:

themissouritorch.com

The second night of protests, I saw that guy with a megaphone trying to get protesters to chant “from Gaza to St. Louis, end the occupation!”

108 Timothy Watson  Aug 19, 2014 8:18:08am

re: #70 Lidane

Hoft is so full of shit. Wilson wouldn’t have been able to see, much less shoot Mike Brown since that kind of injury would’ve had his eye swollen shut and his face heavily bruised.

And he wouldn’t have been able to skip town the next day since he would still have been in the hospital.

109 Franklin  Aug 19, 2014 8:18:27am

I hate that that guy is from Chicago. Just fodder for the Breitbrats.

110 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 19, 2014 8:18:44am

Uccch some idiot with “Free Palestine” in its profile is Tweeting a bunch of memes from Der Stuermer. Blocked & muted.

111 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 19, 2014 8:19:16am

re: #95 BeachDem

And Jeffrey Jeremy Scahill has as well, with pretentious little asides like this:

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Wonder what Scahill means by this in his twitter bio:

author of glenn greenwald’s latest blog post on glenn greenwald’s blog

“Being a Journalist” is one thing Intercept employees will never be guilty of.

112 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 8:19:35am

re: #93 lawhawk

I believe it was Dana Loesh.

I don’t think it was. If I recall, it was a local station and Loesch’s husband tweeted it. But maybe it was Dana on syndication.

113 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 19, 2014 8:20:16am

re: #79 Joanne

It’s also what happens when News goes from public service to profit center.

It is what also happens when the public is unable to discriminate between the two.

114 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 8:21:02am

re: #113 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It is what also happens when the public is unable to discriminate between the two.

BOOM! goes the dynamite. Yep. It’s too true.

115 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 19, 2014 8:21:34am

re: #62 Decatur Deb

Getting that pass implies a process of prior certification, something the 1A would be concerned about. At the same time, every asshole with an iPhone is not what the FF had in mind. Technology outstrips law again.

(In the 60s, when I was working the bottom rung of photography, an accepted canon was that you could not call yourself a professional photographer until you made 51% of your income from it.)

That’s one way of looking at it, another might be if you are well published. Lets grab a hypothetical. Let’s say someone a lot like Charles or Markos Moulitsas wants to show up and cover an event? It’s not just photography it’s reporting.

116 Lidane  Aug 19, 2014 8:21:58am

Sitting in McDonald’s makes you a troublemaker and a punk. Who knew?

Sandy Rios: Detained Ferguson Journalist A ‘Punk’ Who Was ‘Causing Trouble’

On Friday, Sandy Rios of the American Family Association attacked journalists Wesley Lowery and Ryan Reilly, who were detained by police officers while working in a McDonalds in Ferguson, Missouri.

Speaking on her American Family Radio program, Rios called Lowery a “punk of a reporter” who was “causing trouble, trying to make the officer mad,” adding: “These are the men, these are the young men of our country, these are the guys who are going to defend the next generation, these are the future fathers of America’s children. That’s pretty scary, isn’t it?”

117 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 8:22:09am

It really is frustrating. The advent of 24/7 News could have been a great way to spread information in an ever growing world that is more connected than ever through the internet. Instead though, we’ve got what we got and it stinks.

118 FemNaziBitch  Aug 19, 2014 8:23:06am

I have to go soon, so here is today’s Feral Girl Photo:

119 lawhawk  Aug 19, 2014 8:23:16am

re: #112 Joanne

It was. “Josie Williams” called in to her radio talk show and that’s where this nonsense started.

Wilson fatally shot 18-year-old Michael Brown last Saturday, sparking a week of protests and international headlines. The officer’s supposed friend, identified only as “Josie,” called into The Dana Show on NewsTalk 97.1 KTFK to share his story.

120 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 8:23:55am

re: #116 Lidane

Sitting in McDonald’s makes you a troublemaker and a punk. Who knew?

Sandy Rios: Detained Ferguson Journalist A ‘Punk’ Who Was ‘Causing Trouble’

It is pretty scary Sandy but not for the reasons you think.

121 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 19, 2014 8:23:56am

So I tried to trace the alleged Hillary quote.

Some article linked to this AmSpec piece:

web.archive.org

It was quoting from Kuiper’s 2006 book. But acc. to books.google.com Kuiper’s source was “(worldnetdaily.com, 10/01/02)”, i.e. the same Boortz WND piece quoted above. Which doesn’t provide any source whatsoever.

122 Skip Intro  Aug 19, 2014 8:24:05am

Here’s the only pic I’ve found of the alleged shooter, although I have my doubts because he’s wearing a badge and name tag. No other Ferguson police I’ve seen have done that.

123 BeachDem  Aug 19, 2014 8:24:19am

re: #74 Dr. Matt

CNN and HLN hits a new low by promoting the radio interview of “Josie” conducted by some C-list right-wing hate radio hack.

And notice Anderson Cooper didn’t admit to/apologize for getting sucked into the Josie vortex until AFTER he had aired the stupidity on his show.

124 urbanmeemaw  Aug 19, 2014 8:24:26am

re: #67 HappyWarrior

Our media is such a joke.

I’m hoping that the presence of international reporters will provide some much needed perspective to US, not only on the injustice and lack of professionalism, but behavior of US media as well. I would hope they would publish the types of observations we post here every day.

125 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2014 8:24:40am

re: #84 lawhawk

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Downstairs, ausador posted a photo of the guy and other RCP people.

Charles also tweeted this last night:

126 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 8:25:03am

re: #119 lawhawk

Thanks!

127 FemNaziBitch  Aug 19, 2014 8:25:23am

re: #117 HappyWarrior

It really is frustrating. The advent of 24/7 News could have been a great way to spread information in an ever growing world that is more connected than ever through the internet. Instead though, we’ve got what we got and it stinks.

Competition, in theory, should bring the creme to the top. What we have is the mediocre, because that is what sells to the majority of buyers.

What we do have is a vast variety that we didn’t have before. We have citizen fact checkers and open debate.

Network News is just a headline reading service, to allow us to do our own research into those topics we want to know more about.

128 Romantic Heretic  Aug 19, 2014 8:25:47am

re: #66 Pie-onist Overlord

I visualize Officer Wilson not holding his gun properly and the recoil driving his weapon into his eye.

But of course Hoft knows it’s because the ni-*clang* assaulted the officer.

129 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 19, 2014 8:25:58am

re: #122 Skip Intro

Here’s the only pic I’ve found of the alleged shooter, although I have my doubts because he’s wearing a badge and name tag. No other Ferguson police I’ve seen have done that.

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littlegreenfootballs.com

130 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 19, 2014 8:27:00am

I was watching a 9/11 special last night and thinking how different that day would have been if Twitter, Facebook and Youtube had been around then.

131 AntonSirius  Aug 19, 2014 8:27:24am

re: #70 Lidane

Hoft is so full of shit. Wilson wouldn’t have been able to see, much less shoot Mike Brown since that kind of injury would’ve had his eye swollen shut and his face heavily bruised.

According to teh Googlez, Gateway Pundit is the only source for this story.

132 BeachDem  Aug 19, 2014 8:27:50am

re: #87 Eclectic Cyborg

Chuckles Johnson?

Even worse—Dana “I’d pee on their corpses” Loesch.

133 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 19, 2014 8:27:55am

WHAT. THE. FUCK.

134 Targetpractice  Aug 19, 2014 8:28:12am

re: #66 Pie-onist Overlord

WTFITS

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And that could as easily be explained as Brown trying to get away from Wilson as he was being held by the throat, as eyewitnesses have said. But I agree with Lidane, any sort of injury to his eyes would have made it virtually impossible for Wilson to hit anything at a distance, certainly not a moving target, which Brown would be if he was “charging.”

135 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 8:28:16am

re: #130 Eclectic Cyborg

I was watching a 9/11 special last night and thinking how different that day would have been if Twitter, Facebook and Youtube had been around then.

I’m glad that Obama wasn’t president during 9/11. Imagine the CTs that exist about 9-11 already and then combine the ones about Obama. I don’t think it’s much of a stretch here to say that FNC would be openly truther if 9-11 occurred under Obama.

136 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 8:28:31am

re: #133 Pie-onist Overlord

WHAT. THE. FUCK.

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Evil.

137 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 8:28:54am

re: #127 FemNaziBitch

Competition, in theory, should bring the creme to the top. What we have is the mediocre, because that is what sells to the majority of buyers.

What we do have is a vast variety that we didn’t have before. We have citizen fact checkers and open debate.

Network News is just a headline reading service, to allow us to do our own research into those topics we want to know more about.

Honestly, the issue really is one of apathy on the part of Americans. The 24/7 media is just giving them what they want. Pop culture, infotainment, a quickie for those who can handle a paragraph or two. Analysis is boring. Making sense of analysis is hard, as is forming your own opinions. It’s easier to take the opinion of someone you like and make it your own.

138 Romantic Heretic  Aug 19, 2014 8:29:03am

re: #85 HappyWarrior

You think he’s an anarchist or a right wing douche?

Not sure there’s a difference. After all, ‘libertarianism’ is regarded as a right-wing phenomena while I regard it as simply anarchy rebranded with a fancy label.

139 danarchy  Aug 19, 2014 8:29:05am

re: #129 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

littlegreenfootballs.com

There is also a video that came out Sunday of the immediate aftermath that apparently shows him and one other officer hovering around Michael’s body. It is from a distance and blurry, but looks like the same guy.

140 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 8:29:10am

re: #134 Targetpractice

And that could as easily be explained as Brown trying to get away from Wilson as he was being held by the throat, as eyewitnesses have said. But I agree with Lidane, any sort of injury to his eyes would have made it virtually impossible for Wilson to hit anything at a distance, certainly not a moving target, which Brown would be if he was “charging.”

So Hoft again cut his nose off again to save his face, sounds right.

141 Skip Intro  Aug 19, 2014 8:29:49am

re: #135 HappyWarrior

I’m glad that Obama wasn’t president during 9/11. Imagine the CTs that exist about 9-11 already and then combine the ones about Obama. I don’t think it’s much of a stretch here to say that FNC would be openly truther if 9-11 occurred under Obama.

I’d be interested to know how many people in this country do think 9/11 happened under Obama.

142 FemNaziBitch  Aug 19, 2014 8:29:54am

Chaos is a Ladder —

Probably the best line from the GOT series, IMHO.

Isn’t that what we are seeing now in Ferguson. Those who want attention or think they can maneuver for gain are usurping and manipulating the situation in Ferguson.

Local gangs are working to create order.

Up is down.

143 Mike Lamb  Aug 19, 2014 8:29:57am

re: #70 Lidane

Hoft is so full of shit. Wilson wouldn’t have been able to see, much less shoot Mike Brown since that kind of injury would’ve had his eye swollen shut and his face heavily bruised.

And he would’ve been paraded in front of the media to justify the shoot.

144 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 8:30:19am

re: #141 Skip Intro

I’d be interested to know how many people in this country do think 9/11 happened under Obama.

I’d bet 5-10%.

145 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2014 8:30:35am
146 Lidane  Aug 19, 2014 8:32:01am

re: #143 Mike Lamb

And he would’ve been paraded in front of the media to justify the shoot.

That too. If his face had been that severely injured, we would have known he was the shooter and he would’ve had his bruised and bandaged face all over the news.

Hoft is full of shit as usual.

147 Schadenboner  Aug 19, 2014 8:32:10am

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Dear Lord, please let there be no journos. It makes our lily-white PR team piss itself everytime we have to rough up a journo for maliciously sitting with intent to publish at Micky D’s…

148 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 19, 2014 8:32:38am

re: #141 Skip Intro

I’d be interested to know how many people in this country do think 9/11 happened under Obama.

BENGHAZI!!!!! NEVER FORGET 9/11/2012!!!!!!!!!

149 urbanmeemaw  Aug 19, 2014 8:32:44am

re: #139 danarchy

Good point. I didn’t see him tend to his eye or act like it was bothering him at all as he was pacing/standing new Michael’s body. Even though I couldn’t actually see the eye, I would think if it were injured he would have been doing something with it or having his fellow cop check it out.

150 BeachDem  Aug 19, 2014 8:32:52am

re: #102 lawhawk

It almost sounds like he thinks the mighty Greenwald is taking credit for his (Scahill’s) writing. Across the top of his twitter page, he has a bunch of examples of people getting his name wrong in articles about Greenwald—one where they corrected his name and the name of one of Greenwald’s dogs in the same sentence.

Am I overreacting, or is there trouble in paradise as GIANT EGOS COLLIDE AT THE INTERCEPT?

151 Timothy Watson  Aug 19, 2014 8:33:10am

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

-Romans 13

152 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 8:33:31am

re: #143 Mike Lamb

And he would’ve been paraded in front of the media to justify the shoot.

Precisely. Hoft again is doing his usual method of throwing shit and hoping something sticks. He’s definitely trying his damndest to make Wilson out to be the victim and Brown out to be the perp.

153 FemNaziBitch  Aug 19, 2014 8:33:40am

re: #137 Joanne

Honestly, the issue really is one of apathy on the part of Americans. The 24/7 media is just giving them what they want. Pop culture, infotainment, a quickie for those who can handle a paragraph or two. Analysis is boring. Making sense of analysis is hard, as is forming your own opinions. It’s easier to take the opinion of someone you like and make it your own.

If it were apathy, there wouldn’t be so many “other” outlets for information. People who have the time and inclination to learn more than is offered on TV seem to be a profitable market.

I think that the role of TV news has changed.

154 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 19, 2014 8:33:52am

re: #150 BeachDem

It almost sounds like he thinks the mighty Greenwald is taking credit for his (Scahill’s) writing. Across the top of his twitter page, he has a bunch of examples of people getting his name wrong in articles about Greenwald—one where they corrected his name and the name of one of Greenwald’s dogs in the same sentence.

Am I overreacting, or is there trouble in paradise as GIANT EGOS COLLIDE AT THE INTERCEPT?

If Jeffrey [sic!] Scahill & Glenn Greenwald lock horns, THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE.

155 Decatur Deb  Aug 19, 2014 8:33:59am

re: #115 Rightwingconspirator

That’s one way of looking at it, another might be if you are well published. Lets grab a hypothetical. Let’s say someone a lot like Charles or Markos Moulitsas wants to show up and cover an event? It’s not just photography it’s reporting.

Yes. And somewhere between Charles and Weegee McFudd from 4Chan is a characteristic that grants one press protections, and ‘only’ citizen protection to the other.

156 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2014 8:34:03am
157 Targetpractice  Aug 19, 2014 8:34:08am

re: #143 Mike Lamb

And he would’ve been paraded in front of the media to justify the shoot.

I think that’s what continues to make no sense about all this. If the autopsy results are so authoritative, as the Hoft crowd has asserted, then why keep it under wraps? Why has Wilson’s incident report not be released if it fits those results better than the eyewitness accounts? Why force Wilson to haul ass out of town if he’s not guilty of anything?

All in all, I suspect the FPD knows there’s enough here to at least charge Wilson, if not convict him. And that’s why they’re engaged in this campaign of disinformation and incitement, to make it impossible to seat a jury in Ferguson or any of the surrounding communities.

158 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 19, 2014 8:34:22am

re: #151 Timothy Watson

by this reading, the American Revolution was an act of defiance against God…

159 KerFuFFler  Aug 19, 2014 8:34:25am

re: #128 Romantic Heretic

I visualize Officer Wilson not holding his gun properly and the recoil driving his weapon into his eye.

But of course Hoft knows it’s because the ni-*clang* assaulted the officer.

I suspect Wilson may have asked a buddy to punch him in the face for protective cover——-if indeed he had an injury. The autopsy of Brown did not show any injuries to his hands consistent with having punched anybody. Furthermore, the video of Wilson pacing around immediately after the shooting does not support Wilson having suffered any significant injury. Surely he would have been clutching at his face if he had the injury they are describing.

160 Skip Intro  Aug 19, 2014 8:35:50am

re: #144 HappyWarrior

I’d bet 5-10%.

Could be more. The closest thing I’ve found.

A poll of Louisiana Republicans released last week contained some strange news for President Barack Obama: Twenty-nine percent of them said he was responsible for the poor response to Hurricane Katrina — in 2005.

This was slightly more than the 28 percent who said President George W. Bush was to blame. An additional 44 percent thought it over but just weren’t sure.

articles.chicagotribune.com

161 urbanmeemaw  Aug 19, 2014 8:36:06am

re: #150 BeachDem

I was thinking the same thing when I read his little twitter blurb. When I saw the Intercept’s “star lineup” and saw all of those alpha males I knew things would not work out well, especially if you add the fact that the Intercept hasn’t figured out what it wants to do when it grows up.

162 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 8:36:17am

re: #157 Targetpractice

I think that’s what continues to make no sense about all this. If the autopsy results are so authoritative, as the Hoft crowd has asserted, then why keep it under wraps? Why has Wilson’s incident report not be released if it fits those results better than the eyewitness accounts? Why force Wilson to haul ass out of town if he’s not guilty of anything?

All in all, I suspect the FPD knows there’s enough here to at least charge Wilson, if not convict him. And that’s why they’re engaged in this campaign of disinformation and incitement, to make it impossible to seat a jury in Ferguson or any of the surrounding communities.

Doesn’t hurt that they’ve got people like Jim Hoft and Dana Loesch out there eager to paint their narrative.

163 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 8:36:47am

re: #160 Skip Intro

Could be more. The closest thing I’ve found.

A poll of Louisiana Republicans released last week contained some strange news for President Barack Obama: Twenty-nine percent of them said he was responsible for the poor response to Hurricane Katrina — in 2005.

This was slightly more than the 28 percent who said President George W. Bush was to blame. An additional 44 percent thought it over but just weren’t sure.

articles.chicagotribune.com

Damn…….

164 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 8:36:56am

re: #144 HappyWarrior

I’d bet 5-10%.

I think it is higher. Same with people who think Obama was president during Katrina.

165 FemNaziBitch  Aug 19, 2014 8:37:33am

166 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 8:37:43am

re: #164 Joanne

I think it is higher. Same with people who think Obama was president during Katrina.

Yeah good point. Just saw the Louisiana poll.

167 urbanmeemaw  Aug 19, 2014 8:38:08am

re: #163 HappyWarrior

Damn…….

Bring on the Brawndo!

168 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 19, 2014 8:38:19am

re: #161 urbanmeemaw

I was thinking the same thing when I read his little twitter blurb. When I saw the Intercept’s “star lineup” and saw all of those alpha males I knew things would not work out well, especially if you add the fact that the Intercept hasn’t figured out what it wants to do when it grows up.

They should have known then they signed on that The Intercept is a temple of worship of Teh Greenwald. There are no equals to Teh Greenwald. Teh Greenwald is Lord.

169 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 8:38:24am

re: #165 FemNaziBitch

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We wouldn’t have universal suffrage today if conservatives had gotten their way or really any of the progress we have made.

170 b.d.  Aug 19, 2014 8:38:44am

re: #164 Joanne

I think it is higher. Same with people who think Obama was president during Katrina.

KATRINA WAS OBAMA’S KATRINA!

171 FemNaziBitch  Aug 19, 2014 8:39:16am

bbl

172 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 8:40:07am

I am amused hearing conservatives say so and so event was Obama’s Iran-Contra. Wait aren’t you the guys who claim that Iran-Contra wasn’t a big deal and Ronnie wasn’t at fault.

173 Skip Intro  Aug 19, 2014 8:40:26am

re: #157 Targetpractice

Because now there have been multiple autopsies, so people will be free to pick the parts that confirm what they already “know”.

It’s hard for me to imagine how an investigation could be more compromised than the one in Ferguson. Of course, in Ferguson, it’s all been intentional.

174 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 8:40:29am

re: #153 FemNaziBitch

If it were apathy, there wouldn’t be so many “other” outlets for information. People who have the time and inclination to learn more than is offered on TV seem to be a profitable market.

I think that the role of TV news has changed.

I don’t mean for everyone (obviously we’re here and we both read a lot), but generally speaking, when you have very low turnout in elections, and news becomes infotainment, the number of people who have that inclination to know what’s going on in their world are lower than those who are happy following the every move of Kim Kardashian or Katy Perry.

175 Romantic Heretic  Aug 19, 2014 8:41:47am

re: #160 Skip Intro

My brain just did that thing that makes me think my sentience is about to be sucked into a black hole of derp.

176 Decatur Deb  Aug 19, 2014 8:41:47am

re: #165 FemNaziBitch

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Signs are tl;dr. Of course those are women.

Need an MRA font.

177 Franklin  Aug 19, 2014 8:41:59am

re: #134 Targetpractice

And that could as easily be explained as Brown trying to get away from Wilson as he was being held by the throat, as eyewitnesses have said. But I agree with Lidane, any sort of injury to his eyes would have made it virtually impossible for Wilson to hit anything at a distance, certainly not a moving target, which Brown would be if he was “charging.”

Mike Brown was unavailable for comment.

178 Lidane  Aug 19, 2014 8:42:09am

re: #169 HappyWarrior

We wouldn’t have universal suffrage today if conservatives had gotten their way or really any of the progress we have made.

If conservatives had gotten their way, Gutenberg’s press would have been destroyed.

179 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 19, 2014 8:42:25am

re: #121 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

So I tried to trace the alleged Hillary quote.

Some article linked to this AmSpec piece:

web.archive.org

It was quoting from Kuiper’s 2006 book. But acc. to books.google.com Kuiper’s source was “(worldnetdaily.com, 10/01/02)”, i.e. the same Boortz WND piece quoted above. Which doesn’t provide any source whatsoever.

PS: the earliest instance I could find is from a 1998 book by Boortz, where it isn’t even presented as a direct quote:

books.google.com.tr

180 Decatur Deb  Aug 19, 2014 8:42:58am

re: #178 Lidane

If conservatives had gotten their way, Gutenberg’s press would have been destroyed.

The Holy Office tried its best.

181 BeachDem  Aug 19, 2014 8:43:10am

re: #141 Skip Intro

I’d be interested to know how many people in this country do think 9/11 happened under Obama.

Well, a good number of right-wingers blame Obama for Katrina, so I wouldn’t be at all surprised if some hold him responsible for 9/11.

182 Skip Intro  Aug 19, 2014 8:43:11am

re: #175 Romantic Heretic

The worst part about that poll to me is the 44% who weren’t sure.

183 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 8:43:12am

re: #166 HappyWarrior

Yeah good point. Just saw the Louisiana poll.

I remember reading the poll but couldn’t find it on Teh Googles.

184 lawhawk  Aug 19, 2014 8:43:19am

If there was an injury of the type that Hoft alleges, then police would have called an ambulance to transport Wilson to the hospital for immediate medical care so as to not lose his eye. There’s no indication any medical transport was given, as it doesn’t appear that an ambulance showed up at the scene, for either Wilson or Brown based on the video and eyewitnesses.

185 Timothy Watson  Aug 19, 2014 8:43:48am

re: #158 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

by this reading, the American Revolution was an act of defiance against God…

Yep, I’m not that familiar with The Bible myself, an author at Outside the Beltway quoted that section of Romans while mocking a RWNJ who thinks that the Ten Commandants were the basis for the Declaration of Independence and the United States Constitution.

186 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 8:43:56am

re: #169 HappyWarrior

We wouldn’t have universal suffrage today if conservatives had gotten their way or really any of the progress we have made.

And Ann Coulter thinks we’d be much better off if women didn’t vote.

187 urbanmeemaw  Aug 19, 2014 8:44:25am

re: #174 Joanne

I don’t mean for everyone (obviously we’re here and we both read a lot), but generally speaking, when you have very low turnout in elections, and news becomes infotainment, the number of people who have that inclination to know what’s going on in their world are lower than those who are happy following the every move of Kim Kardashian or Katy Perry.

I also think part of the problem is that many “reporters”, particularly in broadcast media, are just not very smart. They are not versed in history, current events, economics, or any of the other disciplines that provide context and breadth to a subject. Granted, their bosses don’t give a crap because their only objective is not to piss off or bore white people, whom they need to watch their ads.

188 iossarian  Aug 19, 2014 8:45:05am

re: #186 Joanne

And Ann Coulter thinks we’d be much better off if women didn’t vote.

If all women were like Ann Coulter, she might have a point.

Fortunately they’re not.

189 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 8:45:23am

re: #178 Lidane

If conservatives had gotten their way, Gutenberg’s press would have been destroyed.

Yep. Really the cornerstone of conservatism is fearing and resisting change. I just don’t see the appeal to anyone who is even remotely forward looking in such an ideology. Limbaugh says liberalism is a dark, cynical ideology. I’d say that’s true for conservatism. A liberal believes we can have better days. The conservative wants us to accept our current day.

190 lawhawk  Aug 19, 2014 8:45:47am
191 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2014 8:46:09am
192 Romantic Heretic  Aug 19, 2014 8:46:10am

re: #182 Skip Intro

Yeah. It’s frightening to know people so uninformed can vote.

I can’t help but wonder. Was there as big a slice of the American public that ignorant back when the Founders were working, and did they take this into account?

193 lawhawk  Aug 19, 2014 8:46:38am
194 Jayleia  Aug 19, 2014 8:47:46am

re: #130 Eclectic Cyborg

If social media had been around like it is…the world would have burned.

195 BeachDem  Aug 19, 2014 8:47:51am

re: #154 Pie-onist Overlord

If Jeffrey [sic!] Scahill & Glenn Greenwald lock horns, THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE.

Two men enter, one leaves—but which one?

196 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 19, 2014 8:48:50am

Are there any communists left who are neither poseurs, nor supporters of far-right dictatorships like Putin’s regime?

197 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 8:49:14am

re: #193 lawhawk

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I recall this being done with the Anti-Iraq War movement.

198 lawhawk  Aug 19, 2014 8:50:37am

Looting tourism. Out of a stack of 50 looting arrest reports, many are coming from Illinois and Texas.

Then there are the looters, leaderless men who under cover of nightly political protest target liquor stores, beauty-supply shops and other businesses with inventories easy to sell and in high demand.

Ferguson police officials would not quantify how many looters have been arrested since the Brown shooting but presented a Washington Post reporter with a stack of roughly 50 arrest reports. While some of those arrested for stealing are from Ferguson, a large number have addresses listed in Illinois or in Texas.

“It’s like looting tourism,” an officer commented as he showed the reports. He asked not to be named. “It’s like they are spending their gas money to come down here and steal.”

DeAndre Smith, fresh from looting the QuikTrip on a recent night, told reporters: “I’m proud of us. We deserve this, and this is what’s supposed to happen when there’s injustice in your community. St. Louis — not going to take this anymore.”

Many on the streets share that sentiment and feel, in terms of race relations, this city and its surrounding communities never emerged from the civil rights era. Two-thirds of Ferguson’s 21,000 residents are black, but only three of the police force’s 53 officers are.

“This was a chance to vent about the national treatment of black men across the country,” said Ronnie Natch, a music producer and leader of the “peaceful protesters.”

Natch is 30 years old and has a 10-month-old baby. His wife gives out water and fruit to protesters from their base at the burned-out QuikTrip. “We want to show up at the front door every day and say, through words, that this shooting is not going to be swept under the rug,” Natch said. “There have just been too many deaths.”

Missouri had the nation’s highest black homicide rate in 2010 and the second-highest in 2011, according to the Violence Policy Center, a nonprofit group based in Washington. The city’s school system is crumbling, and Brown’s high school is in one of the nation’s most troubled districts.

“After all the cameras are gone, we have to live here,” Natch said.

Every morning, his group dispatches people to pick up trash and sweep broken glass.

“We can get the same message out without the violence,” he said.

199 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 19, 2014 8:50:50am

re: #196 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Are there any communists left who are neither poseurs, nor supporters of far-right dictatorships like Putin’s regime?

Yes, but mostly in academia.

200 KerFuFFler  Aug 19, 2014 8:52:35am

re: #184 lawhawk

If there was an injury of the type that Hoft alleges, then police would have called an ambulance to transport Wilson to the hospital for immediate medical care so as to not lose his eye. There’s no indication any medical transport was given, as it doesn’t appear that an ambulance showed up at the scene, for either Wilson or Brown based on the video and eyewitnesses.

Yeah. Did Wilson drive himself from the scene? Do we know how and why he left the scene so early?

201 BeachDem  Aug 19, 2014 8:52:51am

re: #167 urbanmeemaw

Bring on the Brawndo!

It has electrolytes!

202 Skip Intro  Aug 19, 2014 8:53:01am

re: #192 Romantic Heretic

Yeah. It’s frightening to know people so uninformed can vote.

I can’t help but wonder. Was there as big a slice of the American public that ignorant back when the Founders were working, and did they take this into account?

Very few people could vote back then, and the level of education was far higher than today, so no, I doubt very much that it ever occurred to them.

203 Schadenboner  Aug 19, 2014 8:53:10am

re: #186 Joanne

And Ann Coulter thinks we’d be much better off if women didn’t vote.

Most women probably return the sentiment.

204 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 19, 2014 8:54:10am

re: #202 Skip Intro

Very few people could vote back then, and the level of education of the white, landowning upper classes was far higher than today, so no, I doubt very much that it ever occurred to them.

FTFY

205 Schadenboner  Aug 19, 2014 8:54:25am

re: #202 Skip Intro

Very few people could vote back then, and the level of education was far higher than today, so no, I doubt very much that it ever occurred to them.

Strike eleventy-billion against the “Canonize the founders” fetish.

206 urbanmeemaw  Aug 19, 2014 8:54:52am

re: #195 BeachDem

Where’s TBOGG’s dramatic chipmunk meme when you need it?

207 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 19, 2014 8:56:05am

re: #205 Schadenboner

Strike eleventy-billion against the “Canonize the founders” fetish.

Funny how the Bible-thumpers adore that bunch of freethinking heretics.

208 urbanmeemaw  Aug 19, 2014 8:56:34am

re: #201 BeachDem

It has electrolytes!

That plants crave!

209 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 8:57:09am

It’s not any coincidence to me that the time of our nation’s history that conservatives think was the best was when freedom was limited to a select few.

210 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 19, 2014 8:57:30am

I really need to get around to watching that movie.

211 Ryan King  Aug 19, 2014 8:57:57am

It’s what makes plants grow.

212 lawhawk  Aug 19, 2014 8:58:43am

re: #211 Ryan King

Not just grow, but dance!

Youtube Video

213 Targetpractice  Aug 19, 2014 8:59:08am

re: #209 HappyWarrior

It’s not any coincidence to me that the time of our nation’s history that conservatives think was the best was when freedom was limited to a select few.

A lot of them live under the delusion that they qualify for the “select few.” As in “I own a house, so obviously I’d get to vote!!!”, except they don’t own the land the house sits on, so they’d still be turned away from the polls.

214 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 19, 2014 8:59:35am

re: #209 HappyWarrior

It’s not any coincidence to me that the time of our nation’s history that conservatives think was the best was when freedom was limited to a select few.

Yes, the wealthy and the white. Pretty obvious isn’t it?

/

215 BeachDem  Aug 19, 2014 9:01:32am

re: #206 urbanmeemaw

Where’s TBOGG’s dramatic chipmunk meme when you need it?

Here ya go

Youtube Video

216 Skip Intro  Aug 19, 2014 9:01:49am

re: #204 Pie-onist Overlord

I think the country as a whole was better educated in the past than now. Just read some of the letters sent by the grunts in the Civil War and compare them to what passes for discourse today.

Even though as a nation we spend a much longer time in school, the results are so embarrassing that a college graduate of today would sweat bullets trying to pass an elementary school exam of a century ago.

217 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2014 9:02:10am

ummm…

218 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 9:03:02am

re: #203 Schadenboner

Most women probably return the sentiment.

I wouldn’t take a bet that Coulter is a GOPer; I wouldn’t be remotely surprised to learn that she is not a Republican at all; that she chuckles all the way to the bank and that’s it.

219 BeachDem  Aug 19, 2014 9:03:02am

re: #210 Eclectic Cyborg

I really need to get around to watching that movie.

Just remember, while watching, to keep telling yourself, “This is not a documentary.”

220 Timothy Watson  Aug 19, 2014 9:03:09am

re: #217 Backwoods_Sleuth

ummm…

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Databases, how the fuck do those work?

221 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 19, 2014 9:03:17am

re: #216 Skip Intro

I think the country as a whole was better educated in the past than now. Just read some of the letters sent by the grunts in the Civil War and compare them to what passes for discourse today.

Even though as a nation we spend a much longer time in school, the results are so embarrassing that a college graduate of today would sweat bullets trying to pass an elementary school exam of a century ago.

In 200 years we’ve gone from “I regret I have but one life to give my country” to “fuck you”?

222 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 9:03:30am

re: #217 Backwoods_Sleuth

ummm…

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Yeah fucking right.

223 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 19, 2014 9:05:05am

re: #216 Skip Intro

I think the country as a whole was better educated in the past than now. Just read some of the letters sent by the grunts in the Civil War and compare them to what passes for discourse today.

Even though as a nation we spend a much longer time in school, the results are so embarrassing that a college graduate of today would sweat bullets trying to pass an elementary school exam of a century ago.

Just because the examples we have are far more articulate than anything from the present day, a much larger percentage of the population was illiterate.

224 Schadenboner  Aug 19, 2014 9:05:47am

re: #207 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Funny how the Bible-thumpers adore that bunch of freethinking heretics.

If by “freethinking heretics” (one of whom *LITERALLY* “Took g-d out of the bible” ) you mean “conventional bible-thumpers who agree with them 100%, even maintaining retroactive continuity” then yes…

225 urbanmeemaw  Aug 19, 2014 9:07:19am

re: #215 BeachDem

Oh thank you! You just made my day!!! I love the Chipmunk Meme!!!

226 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 19, 2014 9:07:47am

I knew those Ferguson cops reminded me of something…

227 Targetpractice  Aug 19, 2014 9:07:53am

re: #223 Pie-onist Overlord

Just because the examples we have are far more articulate than anything from the present day, a much larger percentage of the population was illiterate.

Yeah, it helps to remember that, even back in those days, officers were expected to have some level of education. Enlisted could be dumb as a post, so long as they could shoot straight and obey orders.

228 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2014 9:08:18am

Missouri GOP Official: Injecting Race Into Ferguson Debate ‘Is Not Helpful’

“This is not just a tragedy for the African American community, this is a tragedy for the Missouri community as well as the community of what we call America,” Matt Wills, Missouri Republican Party executive director, told Breitbart News. “Injecting race into this conversation and into this tragedy, not only is not helpful, but it doesn’t help a continued conversation of justice and peace.”
Wills’s comments came in the context of the Breitbart report that “liberal organizers” had established voter registration booths amid the ongoing Ferguson protests.
“If that’s not fanning the political flames, I don’t know what is,” Wills said. “I think it’s not only disgusting but completely inappropriate.”

229 Targetpractice  Aug 19, 2014 9:08:26am

re: #226 Eclectic Cyborg

I knew those Ferguson cops reminded me of something…

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War…war never changes.

230 Skip Intro  Aug 19, 2014 9:08:34am

re: #223 Pie-onist Overlord

Maybe the difference is that back then they knew they were illiterate, whereas now our illiterates think they’re smart. See Sarah Palin, former GOP VP candidate, and a couple of million people on Twitter.

231 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 19, 2014 9:09:12am

re: #28 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, I’m no legal expert. I’m curious how the hell you can arrest someone who has not committed a crime?

Easy. You make them up. “Interferring with police work” is a favorite, along with “resisting arrest”.

232 Targetpractice  Aug 19, 2014 9:09:14am

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Missouri GOP Official: Injecting Race Into Ferguson Debate ‘Is Not Helpful’

Mr. Wills, kindly go STFD and STFU.

233 urbanmeemaw  Aug 19, 2014 9:09:56am

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Missouri GOP Official: Injecting Race Into Ferguson Debate ‘Is Not Helpful’

Except when the Missouri GOP does it.

234 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 9:10:14am

re: #230 Skip Intro

Maybe the difference is that back then they knew they were illiterate, whereas now our illiterates think they’re smart. See Sarah Palin, former GOP VP candidate, and a couple of million people on Twitter.

Most of whom follow Sarah Palin, former GOP VP candidate.

235 BeachDem  Aug 19, 2014 9:10:16am

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

You know they’re Republicans when they think voter registration is disgusting and inappropriate.

236 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 9:10:27am

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Missouri GOP Official: Injecting Race Into Ferguson Debate ‘Is Not Helpful’

Really? How the hell is it inappropriate? We vote for our sheriffs, district attorneys, etc. But I get you Mr. Wills, like any good Republican, you know that the fewer people that vote, the better it is for your bigoted excuse for a party.

237 wrenchwench  Aug 19, 2014 9:11:08am

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Missouri GOP Official: Injecting Race Into Ferguson Debate ‘Is Not Helpful’

Voter registration is the most appropriate thing possible.

Race was not injected into this conversation, it IS the conversation. He would like to change the subject to, oh I dunno—himself?

238 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 9:11:32am

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

“If that’s not fanning the political flames, I don’t know what is,” Wills said. “I think it’s not only disgusting but completely inappropriate.”
Read more at littlegreenfootballs.com

Yes, getting the blah people to vote is completely inappropriate.

239 Decatur Deb  Aug 19, 2014 9:12:20am

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

“I think it’s not only disgusting but completely inappropriate,” said the head of Missouri’s GOP re: voter registration at Ferguson rallies.

Missouri GOP Official: Injecting Race Into Ferguson Debate ‘Is Not Helpful’

They’re going to vote their way out of this shit, or shoot their way out. That’s the “ballot box or bullet box” dichotomy found (or denied) on the RW blogs.

240 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 19, 2014 9:12:26am

re: #230 Skip Intro

Maybe the difference is that back then they knew they were illiterate, whereas now our illiterates think they’re smart. See Sarah Palin, former GOP VP candidate, and a couple of million people on Twitter.

Well there you go: illiterates are being promoted as TEH SMART WUNZ

241 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 19, 2014 9:13:08am

re: #41 danarchy

I think most of them haven’t actually been arrested just detained.

ie. No miranda reading no booking, fingerprinting etc. Generally just held for a while and then released.

If you are handcuffed and cannot leave for more then about 15 minutes (a “Terry stop” IOW), many legal folks consider that an arrest. IANAL, so YMMV.

242 Targetpractice  Aug 19, 2014 9:13:14am

re: #237 wrenchwench

Voter registration is the most appropriate thing possible.

Race was not injected into this conversation, it IS the conversation. He would like to change the subject to, oh I dunno—himself?

I swear to God, just shortly before that post was made, I had a wingnut LIV ask aloud why I had to point out that Michael Brown was black, incredulous that I’d bring race into it and wondering if I’d get as worked up over a white teen getting killed in the same fashion.

Yegods.

243 Lidane  Aug 19, 2014 9:14:09am

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m pretty sure a white cop executing an unarmed black kid made this about race, but whatever.

244 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 19, 2014 9:14:31am

re: #154 Pie-onist Overlord

If Jeffrey [sic!] Scahill & Glenn Greenwald lock horns, THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE.

If enough of them get tangled up do we get the pundit dudebro equivalent of a rat-king? Though that might also bring on the end of the world as we know it.
///

245 Targetpractice  Aug 19, 2014 9:14:38am

re: #239 Decatur Deb

They’re going to vote their way out of this shit, or shoot their way out. That’s a dichotomy found (or denied) on the RW blogs.

“Ballot or bullet.”

246 Decatur Deb  Aug 19, 2014 9:15:26am

re: #245 Targetpractice

“Ballot or bullet.”

Yes. Edited that back in.

247 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 9:15:33am

re: #241 Aunty Entity Dragon

Detaining journos serves the same purpose; it gets them away from covering what is happening. The only difference is that they don’t have to go to court, pay fines, and get a police record.

How are you feeling? Did the shot help?

248 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 9:16:22am

Conservatives don’t want to talk about race until they’re accusing black
people of voting Democratic because they want free stuff.

249 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 19, 2014 9:17:10am

re: #158 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

by this reading, the American Revolution was an act of defiance against God…

Yep. The Church and Governmental Authority have worked hand-in-hand for a very long time. And scholarship on the origins of the Bible have indicated that some of the books chosen as compared to not chosen were those that supported the setting of an authoritative church. You don’t want your holy book having juicy quotes about making your own interpretations of what is written and opposing The Man, do you?

250 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 19, 2014 9:18:04am

re: #247 Joanne

Detaining journos serves the same purpose; it gets them away from covering what is happening. The only difference is that they don’t have to go to court, pay fines, and get a police record.

How are you feeling? Did the shot help?

Hurting really bad right now, so I cannot sit at the computer for long. I was told to give it a few days to see if it works. Thanks :)

251 Schadenboner  Aug 19, 2014 9:18:40am

re: #217 Backwoods_Sleuth

ummm…

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Tough titties? LEOs don’t get to hide behind anonymity in this country. We’ll have no balaclava-clad police witnesses, thank you.

Also, if Anon had the database all ur names are belong to us already…

252 Skip Intro  Aug 19, 2014 9:19:19am

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

From the Mother Jones article about Ferguson:

Two-thirds of Ferguson’s residents are black, but the city holds elections in the spring, making for low turnout—in April 2012, when Tihen was elected, fewer than 9 percent of eligible voters went to the polls.

motherjones.com

253 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 19, 2014 9:19:23am

re: #249 Feline Fearless Leader

Yep. The Church and Governmental Authority have worked hand-in-hand for a very long time. And scholarship on the origins of the Bible have indicated that some of the books chosen as compared to not chosen were those that supported the setting of an authoritative church. You don’t want your holy book having juicy quotes about making your own interpretations of what is written and opposing The Man, do you?

I have said for serveral years now that it is time for another Council of Nicea. The Christian Cannon needs re-evaluation.

254 Kid A  Aug 19, 2014 9:19:28am

Rush just asked how many FBI agents did we send to Benghazi.

255 Decatur Deb  Aug 19, 2014 9:20:17am

re: #251 Schadenboner

Tough titties? LEOs don’t get to hide behind anonymity in this country. We’ll have no balaclava-clad police witnesses, thank you.

Also, if Anon had the database all ur names are belong to us already…

The tactic, removing or taping over ID, long pre-dates the Internet. It’s bullshit.

256 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 19, 2014 9:20:24am

re: #253 Aunty Entity Dragon

I have said for serveral years now that it is time for another Council of Nicea. The Christian Cannon needs re-evaluation.

They need to add nukes to the Book of Armaments

257 Decatur Deb  Aug 19, 2014 9:21:27am

re: #254 Kid A

Rush just asked how many FBI agents did we send to Benghazi.

A bunch, actually, IIRC.

258 BeachDem  Aug 19, 2014 9:21:32am

For those of you who are more adept than I at identifying the communist and anarchist factions in Ferguson, here is the video of that truck being stopped late last night (it’s the video of The Last Word, at the bottom of the article).

At around 4:50 is where the cops pull the bottle off the truck, and at about 8:00 is where you start getting a good look at the people’s faces.

msnbc.com

259 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 19, 2014 9:21:52am

re: #242 Targetpractice

I swear to God, just shortly before that post was made, I had a wingnut LIV ask aloud why I had to point out that Michael Brown was black, incredulous that I’d bring race into it and wondering if I’d get as worked up over a white teen getting killed in the same fashion.

Yegods.

The only, and I mean the ONLY reason conservatives have started noticing police brutality and unaccountability is because white people of means have started becoming victims as well.

This stuff has been going in the black community since Plessy V Ferguson.

260 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 9:22:37am

re: #248 HappyWarrior

Conservatives don’t want to talk about race until they’re accusing black
people of voting Democratic because they want free stuff.

I guess justice is the same as free stuff to some people.

261 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 19, 2014 9:22:45am

re: #256 Pie-onist Overlord

They need to add nukes to the Book of Armaments

You win the internet today. Where do you want it delivered?

262 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 19, 2014 9:23:08am

re: #257 Decatur Deb

A bunch, actually, IIRC.

Um, I think Libya obstructed the mission at first, so in any case not relevant, and quite deceptive.

263 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 19, 2014 9:23:11am

re: #217 Backwoods_Sleuth

ummm…

That. Makes. No. Sense.

If they’re hacking the database and grabbing information on the members of the police force and then distributing it —- how does that matter whether or not you’re wearing your badge?

264 Lidane  Aug 19, 2014 9:23:36am

re: #254 Kid A

Rush just asked how many FBI agents did we send to Benghazi.

265 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 19, 2014 9:23:47am

THIS SHIT is going around TCOT since yesterday:

266 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 19, 2014 9:23:52am

re: #254 Kid A

Rush just asked how many FBI agents did we send to Benghazi.

Hey…the less to investigate him for drug shopping…

267 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 9:24:10am

re: #250 Aunty Entity Dragon

I am so sorry! I had to go through so many steroid shots in my wrists that it was approaching “can’t do any more” but the doc kept saying “once we find the sweet spot, it will be a night and day difference”. I hope they find your sweet spot!

268 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 19, 2014 9:25:01am

re: #254 Kid A

Rush just asked how many FBI agents did we send to Benghazi.

269 wrenchwench  Aug 19, 2014 9:25:07am
270 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 19, 2014 9:25:50am

re: #216 Skip Intro

I think the country as a whole was better educated in the past than now. Just read some of the letters sent by the grunts in the Civil War and compare them to what passes for discourse today.

Even though as a nation we spend a much longer time in school, the results are so embarrassing that a college graduate of today would sweat bullets trying to pass an elementary school exam of a century ago.

And a lot of that was due to the US having a fairly liberal public education system since they thought that educated citizens make better choices and have a better chance of advancing themselves. Current conservatism seems hellbent on destroying public education institutions where ever possible. I guess once it started helping the brown people it had extended past its useful state.
/

271 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 19, 2014 9:25:54am

re: #254 Kid A

Rush just asked how many FBI agents did we send to Benghazi.

More than Libya would let in.

Oh hey have you seen this? Shiny new Nikon full frame sports DSLR? Petapixel.

Of course I’m sticking with those other guys but that looks like a fine machine.

272 Decatur Deb  Aug 19, 2014 9:25:55am

re: #262 Rightwingconspirator

Um, I think Libya obstructed the mission at first, so in any case not relevant, and quite deceptive.

This timeline has them due there by Sep 21. Someone tell Rush about Google.

en.wikipedia.org

Edited to add the freakn’ link.

273 Schadenboner  Aug 19, 2014 9:26:09am

re: #255 Decatur Deb

The tactic, removing or taping over ID, long pre-dates the Internet. It’s bullshit.

Yeah. That method never passed the smell-test, but if they’re actually concerned about database theft it doesn’t even pass the laugh-test anymore.

274 Timothy Watson  Aug 19, 2014 9:26:24am

re: #265 Pie-onist Overlord

THIS SHIT is going around TCOT since yesterday:

[Embedded content]

A cop was taunted?! Outrageous! Surely that justifies the death penalty, right? I mean, he’s a cop, you can’t taunt him, it’s not he’s the President or something.

275 urbanmeemaw  Aug 19, 2014 9:26:29am

re: #250 Aunty Entity Dragon

I hope you feel better soon!

276 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 9:26:54am

re: #265 Pie-onist Overlord

THIS SHIT is going around TCOT since yesterday:

[Embedded content]

This is what i meant yesterday when I said it was Treyvon Martin all over again when Zimmerman and now Wilson are made out to be the victims of ebil pot smoking thugs. Of course, I bet this nut thinks that Cliven Bundy was being persecuted by the bad old feds and it was perfectly acceptable for him and his to actually raise arms against federal agents.

277 Bulworth  Aug 19, 2014 9:26:59am

re:
#257

How come thare have been NO congressional investigations or jailings for BENGHAZI?!??!?!?111

278 Decatur Deb  Aug 19, 2014 9:27:47am

re: #274 Timothy Watson

A cop was taunted?! Outrageous! Surely that justifies the death penalty, right? I mean, he’s a cop, you can’t taunt him, it’s not he’s the President or something.

Perhaps he was taunted in French.

279 Bulworth  Aug 19, 2014 9:28:04am

re:
#265

Stay classy, wingnuts

280 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 9:29:08am

I’m not seeing anything there that even if true justifies killing the kid. But then again I am not some right wing asshole who thinks it’s okay to fire on unarmed people.

281 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 19, 2014 9:29:15am

re: #275 urbanmeemaw

I appreciate it.

282 Lidane  Aug 19, 2014 9:29:33am

Focusing on the important things:

WND Columnist: African Americans Should Be Protesting Abortion Rights, Not Ferguson Shooting

Mychal Massie of WorldNetDaily is angry about protests in Ferguson, Missouri, saying that the small number of people who have turned to violence mean the protestors are no better than the Ku Klux Klan.

“These blacks, those like them and those who sympathize with them, are equivalent to toxic allergens making blacks allergic to civilized behavior,” Massie writes. “I say it is time for blacks to be treated as the KKK have been.”

Massie attacks Michael Brown, the unarmed teenager who was killed by a Ferguson police officer last week, as a “‘gangsta’ wannabe [who] made a bad decision that led to his death” and President Obama for exhibiting a “form of hebephrenia.” Massie then writes that black people should be rioting…to stop legal abortion’s “feasting on the blood of innocent blacks.”

Rather than protesting the killing of a “black thug,” Massie posits that African Americans should be outraged that “their population is being systematically eliminated by abortionists with the approval and applause of Obama.”

283 Bulworth  Aug 19, 2014 9:29:41am

re:
#265

And these are the people who want to Operation American Spring the country, offering 2nd Amendment Solutions, etc.

284 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 19, 2014 9:30:55am

re: #282 Lidane

“These blacks, those like them and those who sympathize with them, are equivalent to toxic allergens making blacks allergic to civilized behavior,” Massie writes. “I say it is time for blacks to be treated as the KKK have been.”

285 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 9:31:32am

re: #282 Lidane

Focusing on the important things:

WND Columnist: African Americans Should Be Protesting Abortion Rights, Not Ferguson Shooting

What the fucking fuck WND. Yeah black people protesting the murder of an unarmed kid are just like the KKK. Goddamn get your heads out of your ass.

286 Bulworth  Aug 19, 2014 9:31:36am

re:
#265

I’m shocked, shocked I tell you, that TCOT defends the cop and ridicules the person shot and killed. /

287 Kid A  Aug 19, 2014 9:32:00am

re: #271 Rightwingconspirator

Haven’t seen that. It didn’t mention the frame rate or I might take a look at it. I’ve seen limitations with my D3s’s when it comes to iq at tight crops in PS.

288 Skip Intro  Aug 19, 2014 9:32:15am

re: #253 Aunty Entity Dragon

I have said for serveral years now that it is time for another Council of Nicea. The Christian Cannon needs re-evaluation.

It also needs correcting to remove the errors/additions made by scribes copying the earlier manuscripts. The King James version is one of the worst, because it was translated from Latin copies that were already considered suspect at the time of the translation.

A key example is Mark 16:9-20, which is not in the earliest manuscripts and was probably added because either the end of Mark was lost or the people copying the text didn’t like the way the book ended.

Read it for yourself and see why. Thanks to that addition, we’ve got Sarah Palin’s church and the speakers in tongues and snake handlers as a part of the religion.

289 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 9:32:29am

re: #283 Bulworth

re:
#265

And these are the people who want to Operation American Spring the country, offering 2nd Amendment Solutions, etc.

They’re principle-less hypocrites. It’s big government tyranny that they may have to pay a little more in taxes but black people shouldn’t be upset that an unarmed kid was killed because you know something something.

290 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2014 9:32:33am

New day, nothing changed.

291 Decatur Deb  Aug 19, 2014 9:33:37am

re: #290 Backwoods_Sleuth

New day, nothing changed.

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(Photo)
You don’t get many Ferguson cops to the ton.

292 Charles Johnson  Aug 19, 2014 9:33:59am

Jim Hoft is lying again. Wilson is standing around casually, apparently completely uninjured. If he had a blowout fracture of his eye socket he’d be in an ambulance. What bullshit.

293 makeitstop  Aug 19, 2014 9:34:27am

re: #290 Backwoods_Sleuth

New day, nothing changed.

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Actually, didn’t Johnson say that ‘things would be different tomorrow’ as far as their treatment of journalists goes?

Who knew he meant they’d be cracking down even harder?

Un. Fucking. Believable.

294 iossarian  Aug 19, 2014 9:34:38am

re: #291 Decatur Deb

(Photo)
You don’t get many Ferguson cops to the ton.

Now now. Let’s keep the debate at a level worthy of our highly-literate ancestors.

295 Decatur Deb  Aug 19, 2014 9:34:50am

re: #292 Charles Johnson

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Jim Hoft is lying again. Wilson is standing around casually, apparently completely uninjured. If he had a blowout fracture of his eye socket he’d be in an ambulance. What bullshit.

Only one person in Ferguson had his eye blown out that day.

296 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 9:35:17am

re: #278 Decatur Deb

Perhaps he was taunted in French.

Well that would deserve death for sure. By guillotine!

297 Skip Intro  Aug 19, 2014 9:35:26am

re: #254 Kid A

Rush just asked how many FBI agents did we send to Benghazi.

Rush still remembers sitting at his daddy’s knee and hearing the story of how back in 1942 the oppressed whites of Missouri grabbed a black man out of jail and took him to his town where they burned him alive.

Thinking of that always brings a tear to Rush’s eye.

298 Decatur Deb  Aug 19, 2014 9:36:06am

re: #294 iossarian

Now now. Let’s keep the debate at a level worthy of our highly-literate ancestors.

Heh. No one has called President Obama anything that wasn’t said about Jefferson and Lincoln.

299 Charles Johnson  Aug 19, 2014 9:36:11am
300 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 19, 2014 9:36:29am

re: #287 Kid A

Haven’t seen that. It didn’t mention the frame rate or I might take a look at it. I’ve seen limitations with my D3s’s when it comes to iq at tight crops in PS.

It’s past time for me, my best camera body is five years old, the next older one is well into it’s second shutter. A recent gig got me the money for a new body, *whew* just in time.

301 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 9:37:11am

re: #282 Lidane

Holy. Shit. I mean, holy shit. Someone wrote that. For publication? For others to read?

The things that amaze me never cease to amaze me.
(edited for teh English)

302 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 9:37:18am

re: #297 Skip Intro

Rush still remembers sitting at his daddy’s knee and hearing the story of how back in 1942 the oppressed whites of Missouri grabbed a black man out of jail and took him to his town where they burned him alive.

Thinking of that always brings a tear to Rush’s eye.

Rush cried when he found out that the South lost the war and their slaves.

303 Schadenboner  Aug 19, 2014 9:37:32am

re: #290 Backwoods_Sleuth

New day, nothing changed.

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<spanclass=”FAABULOUS”>Black pants with tan stripes? Oh, honey, honey, honey. No.</spanclass>

304 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 19, 2014 9:38:28am

re: #290 Backwoods_Sleuth

New day, nothing changed.

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This is where we see freedom of the press is illusory. The press operates as long as it supports the power structure.

Some of you have been wondering why toadies like Luke Russert and Chuck Todd get where they are?

They support the status quo and do nothing to upset it.

305 Bulworth  Aug 19, 2014 9:38:54am

re:
#301

Consider their audience…

306 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2014 9:39:00am
307 Schadenboner  Aug 19, 2014 9:41:56am

re: #306 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Yeah? Well at least the press badge actually shows his name you authoritarian fuckstain.

308 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 19, 2014 9:42:34am

re: #285 HappyWarrior

Who but racists would promote self-hating blacks?

309 psddluva4evah  Aug 19, 2014 9:44:45am

Something to smile about!

I may be buying my first issue of SI ever.

310 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2014 9:44:46am
311 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 19, 2014 9:45:55am

re: #253 Aunty Entity Dragon

I have said for serveral years now that it is time for another Council of Nicea. The Christian Cannon needs re-evaluation.

No religious canon is based on sound scholarship. I don’t see how the Christian one is any worse than any other.

312 iossarian  Aug 19, 2014 9:47:47am

re: #308 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Who but racists would promote self-hating blacks?

Hm. I don’t really like the phrase “self-hating X” for any value of X. It’s possible to be critical (and even wrongly critical) about one’s own group without being “self-hating”. I think it’s better to assume that such people are simply mistaken or misled.

Ben Carson probably sincerely believes that black people would be better off without welfare. I disagree with him but I don’t think his worldview is based on something other than a desire to have people’s lives improved.

313 Charles Johnson  Aug 19, 2014 9:48:12am
314 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Aug 19, 2014 9:48:38am

re: #290 Backwoods_Sleuth

Where have I seen that hairstyle before?

Oh yeah.

315 Franklin  Aug 19, 2014 9:48:49am

re: #310 Backwoods_Sleuth

316 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 19, 2014 9:48:50am

re: #288 Skip Intro

Let’s not confuse a canon and a translation. The ending of Mark is not a part of the canon. The book itself is, in whatever form it is currently used. In fact, most modern translations indicate the “big” parts that were inserted later.

317 Dr. Matt  Aug 19, 2014 9:48:56am

For once the RWNJ’s paranoia and fears have come to fruition regarding the overreach of Law Enforcement. However, now the RWNJs SUPPORT the overreach of Law Enforcement.

318 jaunte  Aug 19, 2014 9:49:09am

re: #310 Backwoods_Sleuth

“I’m a cop. If you don’t want to get hurt, don’t challenge me.”

Sounds like a domestic abuser.

319 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 19, 2014 9:49:25am

re: #312 iossarian

Hm. I don’t really like the phrase “self-hating X” for any value of X. It’s possible to be critical (and even wrongly critical) about one’s own group without being “self-hating”. I think it’s better to assume that such people are simply mistaken or misled.

Ben Carson probably sincerely believes that black people would be better off without welfare. I disagree with him but I don’t think his worldview is based on something other than a desire to have people’s lives improved.

Ben Carson received every form of government assistance he could get. Why does he think it was OK for him but not for others?

320 Decatur Deb  Aug 19, 2014 9:49:54am

re: #311 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

No religious canon is based on sound scholarship. I don’t see how the Christian one is any worse than any other.

Just because of the pun potential:

Phil Ochs

Youtube Video

321 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2014 9:50:02am
322 Lidane  Aug 19, 2014 9:50:03am

re: #317 Dr. Matt

For once the RWNJ’s paranoia and fears have come to fruition regarding the overreach of Law Enforcement. However, now the RWNJs SUPPORT the overreach of Law Enforcement.

Only because the cops are aiming their guns and tear gas at blah people.

If this shit had gone down at Bundy Ranch the RWNJs would be squealing like stuck pigs.

323 Lidane  Aug 19, 2014 9:50:31am

re: #319 Pie-onist Overlord

Why does he think it was OK for him but not for others?

Because he’s a Republican.

324 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 9:50:34am

re: #310 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wow. No wonder the LAPD has issues. That’s like saying Comply or Die.

325 Targetpractice  Aug 19, 2014 9:50:34am

re: #310 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

“I’m a cop. If you don’t want to get hurt, don’t challenge me.”

Whatever you say, Herr Kommissar.

326 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 9:51:38am

re: #319 Pie-onist Overlord

Ben Carson received every form of government assistance he could get. Why does he think it was OK for him but not for others?

The same reason Paul Ryan does.

327 Decatur Deb  Aug 19, 2014 9:51:39am

re: #325 Targetpractice

[quote]”I’m a cop. If you don’t want to get hurt, don’t challenge me.” [/quote]

Whatever you say, Herr Kommissar centurion.

328 iossarian  Aug 19, 2014 9:51:41am

re: #319 Pie-onist Overlord

Ben Carson received every form of government assistance he could get. Why does he think it was OK for him but not for others?

I totally agree that he’s wrong and that the fact that he received a ton of assistance amply demonstrates that. But I don’t think he’s “self-hating”.

It would be helpful if actual journalists asked him these questions, of course.

329 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2014 9:51:51am

re: #318 jaunte

Sounds like a domestic abuser.

330 Bulworth  Aug 19, 2014 9:52:10am

re:
#317

BUT FEMA camps taking are gunz and Bibles!!!!!11

331 wrenchwench  Aug 19, 2014 9:52:52am

If Darren Wilson had a facial fracture, it could only be because when he got back to the station, he realized he had made the biggest mistake of his life and performed the mother of all headdesks.

332 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 19, 2014 9:53:31am

re: #312 iossarian

You have a black guy saying that blacks should be treated as KKK. While I understand that “self-hating X” may be problematic in most instances, I really think this is a more or less literal case of self-hatred.

333 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2014 9:54:04am
334 Schadenboner  Aug 19, 2014 9:54:24am

re: #319 Pie-onist Overlord

Ben Carson received every form of government assistance he could get. Why does he think it was OK for him but not for others?

“Because got mine, fuck you, that’s why.”

335 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 19, 2014 9:55:38am

Also, we weren’t talking about Carson.

336 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 19, 2014 9:56:12am

I am seeing this horrific meme (upper left) show up over and over on TCOT, had to block it four times already.

337 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 9:56:54am

re: #331 wrenchwench

If Darren Wilson had a facial fracture, it could only be because when he got back to the station, he realized he had made the biggest mistake of his life and performed the mother of all headdesks.

I actually think he did straight away, hence the pacing up and down the street. He knows he killed a kid and the only thing he could think to do was CYA…and get all the other PD’s to cover his ass. I don’t know if it was fear of a lawsuit or fear of going to jail (which is unlikely to ever happen no matter what), but from the first minute through right this second, everything they did couldn’t have been handled in worse ways. They escalated at every turn from having no police reports to releasing inflammatory information piecemeal. Everything they did and are doing is dodging and deflecting.

338 Lidane  Aug 19, 2014 9:57:01am

Ferguson mayor: No ‘racial divide’

Ferguson Mayor James Knowles on Tuesday stood by his comments about racial tensions in his city, saying that none of the city’s residents believe there is a racial divide in the community.

During a contentious interview with MSNBC’s Tamron Hall, Knowles — who has previously downplayed racial tensions in Ferguson’s history — was asked whether he had changed his opinions after seeing outcries following the fatal shooting of unarmed African-American 18-year-old Michael Brown.

“I don’t believe that’s the case, still. There’s not a racial divide in the city of Ferguson,” the mayor said.

“According to whom?” Hall responded. “Is that your perspective, or do you believe that is the perspective of African-Americans in your community?”

“That is the perspective of all residents in our city, absolutely,” Knowles said.

339 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 19, 2014 9:57:48am

re: #324 Joanne

Wow. No wonder the LAPD has issues. That’s like saying Comply or Die.

And that’s the fundamental issue with trying to protest under the various authoritarian regimes in history. Small scale and individual protest is squashed. And all media and communications are heavily censored and monitored to prevent disobedience from being coordinated, spread, or even reported.

And that is also the conundrum towards what is going to cause a nationalist authorization regime to be replaced. The bar is very high for a domestic insurrection to overcome it — and said insurrection may not result in any sort of improvement once the resulting civil war ends. And an external overthrow has a lot of baggage involved since most of the time the outsiders are not doing it for the sake of the citizens of the invaded country. The invaders have their own agenda(s) in play.

340 BeachDem  Aug 19, 2014 9:57:53am

Big surprise—that tweet sent last night by CSIS about Amnesty International was, of course, the fault of an unruly intern. (wonder if it was a paid or unpaid intern)

talkingpointsmemo.com

341 Schadenboner  Aug 19, 2014 9:58:02am

re: #338 Lidane

Ferguson mayor: No ‘racial divide’

This is true. The whites have the power, the blacks do not. There’s no division here.

342 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2014 9:58:37am
343 b.d.  Aug 19, 2014 9:58:59am

We better ask Josie if that cop’s eye socket got smashed.

//

344 wrenchwench  Aug 19, 2014 9:59:51am

re: #337 Joanne

I actually think he did straight away, hence the pacing up and down the street. He knows he killed a kid and the only thing he could think to do was CYA…and get all the other PD’s to cover his ass. I don’t know if it was fear of a lawsuit or fear of going to jail (which is unlikely to ever happen no matter what), but from the first minute through right this second, everything they did couldn’t have been handled in worse ways. They escalated at every turn from having no police reports to releasing inflammatory information piecemeal. Everything they did and are doing is dodging and deflecting.

I agree. It’s possible the shot to the head was to get rid of Witness #1 to the non-fatal shots. That’s part of what makes it so horrific. It could have been panic on Wilson’s part.

345 iossarian  Aug 19, 2014 9:59:56am

re: #332 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

You have a black guy saying that blacks should be treated as KKK. While I understand that “self-hating X” may be problematic in most instances, I really think this is a more or less literal case of self-hatred.

Well, I agree he’s being inflammatory and saying stupid things. Looking at his actual quote:

“These blacks, those like them and those who sympathize with them, are equivalent to toxic allergens making blacks allergic to civilized behavior,” Massie writes. “I say it is time for blacks to be treated as the KKK have been.”

he’s pretty clearly talking about a certain group of black people who he views (wrongly, I think most/all here would agree) as “holding black people down” (my words, for want of a better summary). He therefore feels those black people should be repressed from the public sphere in the same way the KKK has been. Clumsy wording makes it look like he meant all black people.

Anyway, I don’t want this to be a big thing. Maybe it’s just better to say I don’t like the phrase “self-hating X” and leave it at that.

346 Lidane  Aug 19, 2014 10:00:06am

re: #342 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not only did she suggest water cannons, but her black co-host gave her the most amazing WTF look after she said it.

347 wrenchwench  Aug 19, 2014 10:00:58am

re: #338 Lidane

Ferguson mayor: No ‘racial divide’

Confirms how deep the divide is.

348 Bulworth  Aug 19, 2014 10:01:45am

re:
#344

Although Michael Brown’s friend who was with him was not shot. Did he say where he was?

349 Dr. Matt  Aug 19, 2014 10:01:57am
350 iossarian  Aug 19, 2014 10:02:32am

Anyway, got to go now. Sorry for my little conniption.

351 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 19, 2014 10:02:41am

re: #310 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

I think it’s more fair to include this quote from the same man.

I also believe every cop should use a body camera to record interactions with the community at all times. Every police car should have a video recorder. (This will prevent a situation like Mike Brown’s shooting, about which conflicting and self-serving statements allow people to believe what they want.)

352 Bulworth  Aug 19, 2014 10:02:46am

re:
#349

Who is Josie?

353 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 19, 2014 10:02:51am

re: #345 iossarian

Gotcha.

354 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 19, 2014 10:03:26am

WND poll:

WHOM DO YOU BLAME MOST FOR FERGUSON RIOTS?

The media (35%, 68 Votes)
Barack Obama (31%, 59 Votes)
Michael Brown (18%, 34 Votes)
Other (7%, 14 Votes)
Institutional racism (7%, 13 Votes)
The militarized police (2%, 3 Votes)
The little white police department (less than 1%, 1 Votes)
Total Voters: 192

355 b.d.  Aug 19, 2014 10:03:41am

re: #352 Bulworth

re:
#349

Who is Josie?

Certainly not a member of that PR firm that the city of Ferguson hired yesterday.

//

Nosiree!

356 Lidane  Aug 19, 2014 10:04:01am

re: #352 Bulworth

re:
#349

Who is Josie?

The cop’s friend that is supposedly giving his side of the story. Wilson got bumrushed, got his eye socket broken, he was in fear of his life, etc. The Zimmerman defense, basically.

357 Targetpractice  Aug 19, 2014 10:04:44am

re: #356 Lidane

The cop’s friend that is supposedly giving his side of the story. Wilson got bumrushed, got his eye socket broken, he was in fear of his life, etc. The Zimmerman defense, basically.

Which should really just be titled “Standard White Cop Defense,” i.e. “He came right at me!”

358 Bulworth  Aug 19, 2014 10:04:46am

re:
#354

The WND crowd is off its game. Where’s the 100% vote for Obama? ////

359 Dr. Matt  Aug 19, 2014 10:05:16am

re: #352 Bulworth

re:
#349

Who is Josie?

C-list right-wing hack Dana Loesch interviewed a so-called friend (named Josie) of Darren Wilson who gave a detailed account of what happened. Now, CNN is running with it and giving it credibility.

360 BeachDem  Aug 19, 2014 10:05:23am

re: #326 Joanne

The same reason Paul Ryan does.

Ryan’s cogent comment about Ferguson:

“There is no problem with the federal government having a role,” he said. “But in all of these things, local control, local government, local authorities who have the jurisdiction, who have the expertise, who are actually there are the people who should be in the lead.”

(and Charles P. Pierce’s reaction to it):

Jesus H. Christ on tour with Judas Priest, is there any situation in recent memory that cries out so loudly to be kept a quadrillion hectares away from “local control” than this one? … Sorry, ZEGS, thank you for playing.

esquire.com

361 Bulworth  Aug 19, 2014 10:05:38am

re:
#356

Thanks

362 Gus  Aug 19, 2014 10:05:41am

So are they going to try something different tonight or are we looking at another repeat?

363 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 19, 2014 10:05:55am

I don’t like the phrase “self-hating.” The people who are usually described as “self-hating” don’t hate themselves. THEY LOVE THEMSELVES. They hate other people in their community and wish to separate themselves and be accepted by the bigots who hate their community.

364 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 10:06:07am

re: #354 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

WND poll:

My shock let me show it to you. The only thing that shocks me is that Obama gets less blame then The Media.

365 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 10:07:16am

re: #360 BeachDem

Ryan’s cogent comment about Ferguson:

“There is no problem with the federal government having a role,” he said. “But in all of these things, local control, local government, local authorities who have the jurisdiction, who have the expertise, who are actually there are the people who should be in the lead.”

(and Charles P. Pierce’s reaction to it):

Jesus H. Christ on tour with Judas Priest, is there any situation in recent memory that cries out so loudly to be kept a quadrillion hectares away from “local control” than this one? … Sorry, ZEGS, thank you for playing.

esquire.com

As usual Ryan shows himself to be utterly clueless. Maybe that’s what happens hen you get your philosophy from a woman who wanted to badly invert Marxism rather than have any real, feasible ideas.

366 Gus  Aug 19, 2014 10:08:51am

OK, never mind. Same thing already. Anyone see that weird prayer circle they had before the news conference?

367 Schadenboner  Aug 19, 2014 10:09:24am

re: #366 Gus

Saw it, +1’ed it, snarked about it.

368 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2014 10:09:41am
369 BeachDem  Aug 19, 2014 10:09:50am

re: #338 Lidane

None so deaf as those that will not hear. None so blind as those that will not see.

Matthew Henry

370 b.d.  Aug 19, 2014 10:09:57am

re: #366 Gus

OK, never mind. Same thing already. Anyone see that weird prayer circle they had before the news conference?

It looked more like a sloppy pentagram to me.

371 Gus  Aug 19, 2014 10:11:00am

re: #370 b.d.

It looked more like a sloppy pentagram to me.

Had some weird vibe to it. Saw it and almost fell over laughing. Just odd. They need to stop those prayer circles and 1 AM press conferences.

372 Gus  Aug 19, 2014 10:12:08am

Was at a 49ers celebration in North Beach a long time ago. Cop next to me got hit with a beer can. He barely responded. Just looked around and stayed at his post.

373 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 10:13:48am

re: #352 Bulworth

The woman who called into Dana Loesch’s radio show to give Officer Larry, Darryl, or the other Darrel’s version of events as heard through the game of telephone they played on Facebook one day.

Youtube Video

374 Gus  Aug 19, 2014 10:14:56am

re: #313 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

So if you’re “the doctor” here who in that crew is the doctor making the determination of a blown out eye socket? Dr. Hoft I presume?

375 Gus  Aug 19, 2014 10:17:22am
Signs

Some clinically observed signs include:

Restricted vertical movement of the eye
Subconjunctival hemorrhage
swollen lid
loss of sensation over upper cheek area
periorbital (around eye socket) ecchymosis

376 Lidane  Aug 19, 2014 10:19:52am

re: #365 HappyWarrior

As usual Ryan shows himself to be utterly clueless. Maybe that’s what happens hen you get your philosophy from a woman who wanted to badly invert Marxism rather than have any real, feasible ideas.

She wanted to invert Marxism as a system of government and she inverted Christianity for her general philosophy about life.

377 Lidane  Aug 19, 2014 10:23:31am

re: #375 Gus

In other words, he’d look like he’d been beaten by an MMA fighter. His eye would be swollen shut, he’d have significant bruising on his face, his eye would be bleeding, etc.

That kind of injury would have prevented him from seeing anything, much less emptying his gun into another human being.

378 Gus  Aug 19, 2014 10:24:31am

re: #50 Pie-onist Overlord

[Embedded content]

Hallmark of an Authoritarian: “If the police tell you to do X, then you do X, and if you don’t, you deserve what you get.”

Really? So if a cop asks me for ID or “license and registration” I’m an authoritarian? No, you don’t do everything a cop tells you to but you do so using something called common sense. Keeps you out of trouble and makes life a lot easier to just bite your tongue and do what the cop tells you to do. Greenwald would do the same damn freaking thing. This whole event is getting stranger by the day and it’s funny to see these people morph in sovereign citizens and Alex Jones — much like many of them were during the Bush years.

379 Gus  Aug 19, 2014 10:25:02am

re: #377 Lidane

In other words, he’d look like he’d been beaten by an MMA fighter. His eye would be swollen shut, he’d have significant bruising on his face, his eye would be bleeding, etc.

That kind of injury would have prevented him from seeing anything, much less emptying his gun into another human being.

Yeah, some rather ugly pictures too. It’s a very serious injury.

380 Lidane  Aug 19, 2014 10:26:34am

re: #379 Gus

Yeah, some rather ugly pictures too. It’s a very serious injury.

And if he DID have that injury, he sure as shit wouldn’t have left town since he’d be in the hospital. Also, the cops would have plastered his injury all over the news as justification for killing Mike Brown. The autopsy report would have been released, etc.

381 Gus  Aug 19, 2014 10:28:35am

re: #380 Lidane

And if he DID have that injury, he sure as shit wouldn’t have left town since he’d be in the hospital. Also, the cops would have plastered his injury all over the news as justification for killing Mike Brown. The autopsy report would have been released, etc.

Yep. Only place being “reported” was Gateway Pundit and some other right wing blogs. No mention in the real news.

382 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2014 10:36:34am

re: #378 Gus

Hallmark of an Authoritarian: “If the police tell you to do X, then you do X, and if you don’t, you deserve what you get.”

Really? So if a cop asks me for ID or “license and registration” I’m an authoritarian? No, you don’t do everything a cop tells you to but you do so using something called common sense. Keeps you out of trouble and makes life a lot easier to just bite your tongue and do what the cop tells you to do. Greenwald would do the same damn freaking thing. This whole event is getting stranger by the day and it’s funny to see these people morph in sovereign citizens and Alex Jones — much like many of them were during the Bush years.

But then, there are incidents similar to allegro’s personal experience.
At what point can a person tell the police “no” and reasonably expect that would be the end of it?

383 makeitstop  Aug 19, 2014 10:44:05am

re: #381 Gus

Yep. Only place being “reported” was Gateway Pundit and some other right wing blogs. No mention in the real news.

Don’t worry, Fox will get to it sometime today.

384 Decatur Deb  Aug 19, 2014 10:46:11am

re: #382 Backwoods_Sleuth

But then, there are incidents similar to allegro’s personal experience.
At what point can a person tell the police “no” and reasonably expect that would be the end of it?

In a very well lit crowded place, notably the lobby of a Bar Association convention.

385 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 19, 2014 10:49:41am

re: #162 HappyWarrior

Doesn’t hurt that they’ve got people like Jim Hoft and Dana Loesch out there eager to paint their narrative.

that is what they were counting on when they took this course of action.

386 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 19, 2014 10:52:55am

re: #249 Feline Fearless Leader

Yep. The Church and Governmental Authority have worked hand-in-hand for a very long time. And scholarship on the origins of the Bible have indicated that some of the books chosen as compared to not chosen were those that supported the setting of an authoritative church. You don’t want your holy book having juicy quotes about making your own interpretations of what is written and opposing The Man, do you?

This is part of why our Founding Fathers had the wisdom to separate Church and State. Nobody’s subjective theological interpretation has the right to take precedent over secular law (until the most recent SCOTUS ruling, at least)

387 urbanmeemaw  Aug 19, 2014 10:59:37am

re: #376 Lidane

She also hated people who mooched from the Federal Government but got Social Security and Medicare which helped her deal with her lung cancer.


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