Donald Trump Throws His Weight Around, Threatens to Pull Out of Debate, Other Candidates Follow Suit

Trump leads the GOP around by the nose

PoliticsOctober 2015 • Views: 51,351

The next Republican debate is shaping up to be even more of a clown show than the previous ones, as the candidates each throw tantrums and threaten to pull out if their demands aren’t met — starting with Donald Trump.

On the call, according to three sources who were on the line, Corey Lewandowski, Trump’s campaign manager, said that if the debate does not include opening or closing statements and is longer than two hours total, including commercial breaks, the real estate mogul would have to reconsider his participation.

Tempers flared!

First, Jason Miller, a top strategist for Ted Cruz, said his campaign would consider bailing if there weren’t openings and closings. Then, Chris LaCivita, an aide to Rand Paul, chimed in: “If we don’t have opening and closing statements, CNBC can go fck themselves.”

After Lewandowski spoke, others chimed in — including Beth Hansen, who said the conference call was a “debacle.”

Sarah Huckabee Sanders, an adviser to Mike Huckabee, voiced another concern: That not all candidates would have equal time to speak during the debate.

This is such a dignified, presidential slate of candidates, don’t you think?

UPDATE at 10/15/15 12:50:09 pm by Charles Johnson

Ben Carson is joining the mass tantrum as well: Donald Trump, Ben Carson Threaten to Boycott the Next GOP Debate.

Donald Trump and Ben Carson are both threatening to boycott the next Republican presidential debate if CNBC, who is hosting the event, and the Republican National Committee do not change the stated format of the event.

“Neither Mr. Trump or Dr. Carson will participate in your debate if it is longer than 120 minutes including commercials and does not include opening and closing statements,” the letter, obtained exclusively by NBC News and signed by both candidates, reads.

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245 comments

Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Oct 15, 2015 • 12:48:10pm

Now the GOP is really stuck between a rock and a hard place…they cannot be sure that Trump will not go third party if they cross him.

Dr. Matt Oct 15, 2015 • 12:49:48pm

In a nutshell:

Lidane Oct 15, 2015 • 12:49:53pm

New @CNN: Trump, Carson threaten to boycott next GOP debate http://t.co/47bHrgLoEN

— Dylan Byers (@DylanByers) October 15, 2015

dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Oct 15, 2015 • 12:50:27pm

i heard trump this morning lying about what was said at the dem debate

not that this is any different than anything else you hear from the right wing noise machine

Stuff Happens Oct 15, 2015 • 12:50:45pm

I think the debates just need more cowbell.

The Ghost of the Beardsman Oct 15, 2015 • 12:53:07pm

I repeat: Donald Trump doesn’t have to win, he’s already lowered the bar, and everyone trying to reach the populist “base” is going to echo his style…because lack of substance, unearned cockiness, and bigotry work.

HappyWarrior Oct 15, 2015 • 12:53:40pm

I am imagining South PArk . Rabble rabble.

Dark_Falcon Oct 15, 2015 • 12:54:19pm

re: #1 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Now the GOP is really stuck between a rock and a hard place…they cannot be sure that Trump will not go third party if they cross him.

CNBC isn’t the GOP, though. It could be that Trump just doesn’t want to be in that Debate and is looking for a reason to avoid it. The CNN article Lidane just posted mentions that.

It could also be that Trump wants to force other candidates to dance to his tune or have the debate seem irrelevant because he isn’t there.

Dark_Falcon Oct 15, 2015 • 12:55:03pm

Donald Trump for Diva in Chief!

Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Oct 15, 2015 • 12:55:04pm

re: #8 Dark_Falcon

CNBC isn’t the GOP, though. It could be that Trump just doesn’t want to be in that Debate and is looking for a reason to avoid it. The CNN article Lidane just posted mentions that.

It could also be that Trump wants to force other candidates to dance to his tune or have the debate seem irrelevant because he isn’t there.

He is also trying to thin the herd early.

Kid A Oct 15, 2015 • 12:56:32pm

b.d. Oct 15, 2015 • 12:56:50pm

Really?

Then, Chris LaCivita, an aide to Rand Paul, chimed in: “If we don’t have opening and closing statements, CNBC can go f—- themselves.”

A spokesman for the campaign of a sitting US Senator said that on the record?

wrenchwench Oct 15, 2015 • 12:58:30pm

Then, Chris LaCivita, an aide to Rand Paul, chimed in: “If we don’t have opening and closing statements, CNBC can go f—- themselves.”

LaCivita knows all about acting dignified:

LaCivita at one time worked for the Republican political consulting firm DCI Group, which had close ties both to Progress for America and Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. During the 2004 US Presidential campaign, LaCivita served as consultant and principal media advisor to the Swift Boat Veterans, writing and producing the group’s memorable (and controversial) commercials in association with Rick Reed.

[…]

During the 2008 presidential campaign, LaCivita and Tony Feather launched a new 501(c)4 issues advocacy group, the American Issues Project, after a series of meetings with other Swift Boat donors. In August 2008, AIP began airing ads in battleground states seeking to raise questions about Democratic Party presidential nominee Senator Barack Obama’s ties to former student radical William Ayers.[10] The American Issues Project has a sole donor, Harold Simmons, an 87-year-old Dallas billionaire who was also a principal donor, along with T. Boone Pickens, to the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth PAC

WILLIAM AYERS!!!!

Bear Oct 15, 2015 • 12:58:37pm

sounds as if they are doing everything they can to elect H.

Dark_Falcon Oct 15, 2015 • 12:59:04pm

re: #12 b.d.

Really?

A spokesman for the campaign of a sitting US Senator said that on the record?

Why not? Anything ‘NBC’ can be called “Lamestream Media”, thus justifying the cursing in the eyes of primary voters.

Timothy Watson Oct 15, 2015 • 12:59:21pm

re: #12 b.d.

Really?

A spokesman for the campaign of a sitting US Senator said that on the record?

LaCivita is a full-metal wingnut (he was Cuccinelli’s campaign manager back in 2013), so I wouldn’t doubt it.

Eric The Fruit Bat Oct 15, 2015 • 12:59:22pm

The real bottom line is the GOP doesn’t want to deal with CNBC. Some of the CNBC folks will ask some real hard questions that the clown circus can’t dodge.

wrenchwench Oct 15, 2015 • 12:59:41pm

re: #14 Bear

sounds as if they are doing everything they can to elect H.

That’s what’s keeping me calm.

HappyWarrior Oct 15, 2015 • 1:00:20pm

re: #15 Dark_Falcon

Why not? Anything ‘NBC’ can be called “Lamestream Media”, thus justifying the cursing in the eyes of primary voters.

Well as much as I would love it if a candidate said fuck Fox News, I am awrae about optics too. It also comes off very unprofessional and whiny.

wrenchwench Oct 15, 2015 • 1:01:24pm

re: #19 HappyWarrior

Well as much as I would love it if a candidate said fuck Fox News, I am awrae about optics too. It also comes off very unprofessional and whiny.

By that description, he’s representing Rand Paul pretty well.

HappyWarrior Oct 15, 2015 • 1:02:43pm

re: #16 Timothy Watson

LaCivita is a full-metal wingnut (he was Cuccinelli’s campaign manager back in 2013), so I wouldn’t doubt it.

Oh now onder. Form one cry baby to another.

HappyWarrior Oct 15, 2015 • 1:03:21pm

re: #20 wrenchwench

By that description, he’s representing Rand Paul pretty well.

Indeed.

Dark_Falcon Oct 15, 2015 • 1:04:25pm

re: #17 Eric The Fruit Bat

The real bottom line is the GOP doesn’t want to deal with CNBC. Some of the CNBC folks will ask some real hard questions that the clown circus can’t dodge.

No, its that Trump does want to be a part of the CNBC debate. Other candidates’ staff pretty much have to fight him on this or there’ll be no limit to his diva demands.

Jay C Oct 15, 2015 • 1:05:08pm

re: #19 HappyWarrior

Well as much as I would love it if a candidate said fuck Fox News, I am aware about optics too. It also comes off very unprofessional and whiny.

So do almost all of the Republican candidates this cycle: it fits right in.

b.d. Oct 15, 2015 • 1:06:12pm

The bloom must have fallen off of the Carly rose, l haven’t heard boo from/about her in a while.

WhatEVs Oct 15, 2015 • 1:06:24pm

Gee, they are sounding very Jim Webb-like. I waaaaaaaaah(nt) moar times 2 tawk!

Dr. Matt Oct 15, 2015 • 1:06:59pm

re: #16 Timothy Watson

LaCivita is a full-metal wingnut (he was Cuccinelli’s campaign manager back in 2013), so I wouldn’t doubt it.

He was part of the Smear Boat Campaign/Liars.

WhatEVs Oct 15, 2015 • 1:07:48pm

re: #25 b.d.

The bloom must have fallen off of the Carly rose, l haven’t heard boo from/about her in a while.

She got nailed so publicly for her PP bullshit, people started looking at HER, something she really doesn’t want. You can’t screw up public companies as badly as her and expect to skate on it forever. Stay in private and enjoy your millions…or go public and be shown as a fraud.

HappyWarrior Oct 15, 2015 • 1:08:57pm

re: #24 Jay C

So do almost all of the Republican candidates this cycle: it fits right in.

Whhich is why I wouldn’t do that myself. THat wasn’t my declaration for the GOP race. I’m not qualifeid for a couple reasons.

klys (maker of Silmarils) Oct 15, 2015 • 1:09:19pm

re: #20 wrenchwench

By that description, he’s representing Rand Paul pretty well.

I don’t have enough updings or adoration to give this.

lawhawk Oct 15, 2015 • 1:10:09pm

If the GOP can’t manage a debate, how can they manage the economy.

If the GOP can’t manage a debate, how can they deal with Putin (or ISIL).

If the GOP can’t manage a debate…

you get the idea.

Seriously though, the inner workings of setting up debates is shielded from public view because the parties have vastly different agendas and ideas of how best to get their candidates into view and best position to excel. With a 15 candidate clown show, that’s a lot more than usual, which makes the conference calls even more testy. You’ve got even more boorish personalities at work, and working at cross purposes.

The other candidates are right to demand openings/closings - the usual debate trappings. Trump’s concern is that it eats into his time, or gives others more free time - as does a longer format. The other candidates figure it is to their benefit to have more air time - as much as possible - with limited interruptions as when they’re in the heart of the debate.

Some of this can be resolved by eliminating a bunch of asterisks from the race, but you know that they wouldn’t go for it. There’s too many of them at this point, and too many establishment types that would leave this to Trump, Carson, etc.

wrenchwench Oct 15, 2015 • 1:10:46pm

re: #26 WhatEVs

Gee, they are sounding very Jim Webb-like. I waaaaaaaaah(nt) moar times 2 tawk!

They are very jealous of his performance. They wanna get up there and say they killed someone.

goddamnedfrank Oct 15, 2015 • 1:10:49pm

re: #23 Dark_Falcon

No, its that Trump does want to be a part of the CNBC debate. Other candidates’ staff pretty much have to fight him on this or there’ll be no limit to his diva demands.

Literally none of the other campaigns are fighting him on this though.

Which raises the question, exactly how fucked is your political party?

Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Oct 15, 2015 • 1:11:16pm

re: #31 lawhawk

If the GOP can’t manage a debate, how can they manage the economy.

If the GOP can’t manage a debate, how can they deal with Putin (or ISIL).

If the GOP can’t manage a debate…

you get the idea.

Seriously though, the inner workings of setting up debates is shielded from public view because the parties have vastly different agendas and ideas of how best to get their candidates into view and best position to excel. With a 15 candidate clown show, that’s a lot more than usual, which makes the conference calls even more testy. You’ve got even more boorish personalities at work, and working at cross purposes.

The other candidates are right to demand openings/closings - the usual debate trappings. Trump’s concern is that it eats into his time, or gives others more free time - as does a longer format. The other candidates figure it is to their benefit to have more air time - as much as possible - with limited interruptions as when they’re in the heart of the debate.

Some of this can be resolved by eliminating a bunch of asterisks from the race, but you know that they wouldn’t go for it. There’s too many of them at this point, and too many establishment types that would leave this to Trump, Carson, etc.

they could set a minimum 5% cutoff like the German Parliament does with political parties…

HappyWarrior Oct 15, 2015 • 1:12:49pm

re: #32 wrenchwench

They are very jealous of his performance. They wanna get up there and say they killed someone.

That does get me at an interesting thought. Since Perry dropped out, none of the GOP candidates have military experience. Maybe I am missing someone who does because it seems like everyone is running for president in the GOP

Big Beautiful Door Oct 15, 2015 • 1:13:33pm

re: #32 wrenchwench

They are very jealous of his performance. They wanna get up there and say they killed someone.

Except the GOP candidates who were draft age during Vietnam, like Trump, all dodged it.

lawhawk Oct 15, 2015 • 1:13:45pm

re: #34 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

5% cutoff? That’d mean the following clowns would be SOL:
Kasich
Huckabee
Paul
Christie
Jindal
Santorum
Graham
Pataki

Awwww. Too bad. So sad.

HappyWarrior Oct 15, 2015 • 1:14:15pm

re: #37 lawhawk

5% cutoff? That’d mean the following clowns would be SOL:
Kasich
Huckabee
Paul
Christie
Jindal
Santorum
Graham
Pataki

Awwww. Too bad. So sad.

Jim Gilmore is sad that you forgot him.

makeitstop Oct 15, 2015 • 1:14:19pm

Wait, from the snip in Charles’ post, it looks like Trump is okay with opening and closing statements - he just wants a 2 hour limit to the debate itself.

Or am I reading that wrong?

lawhawk Oct 15, 2015 • 1:15:53pm

re: #38 HappyWarrior

Gilmore isn’t even being included in the RCP polling. He doesn’t even rate an asterisk.

Heh.

Big Beautiful Door Oct 15, 2015 • 1:16:00pm

re: #38 HappyWarrior

Jim Gilmore is sad that you forgot him.

We will never know when Gilmore drops out of the race because no-one will cover his announcement. He may have already dropped out without anyone noticing.

HappyWarrior Oct 15, 2015 • 1:16:10pm

Military experience has become something of the Cold War past though.

Dark_Falcon Oct 15, 2015 • 1:16:47pm

re: #35 HappyWarrior

That does get me at an interesting thought. Since Perry dropped out, none of the GOP candidates have military experience. Maybe I am missing someone who does because it seems like everyone is running for president in the GOP

Lindsey Graham is an officer in the Army Reserve and has been for a good number of years.

HappyWarrior Oct 15, 2015 • 1:16:56pm

re: #41 Big Beautiful Door

We will never know when Gilmore drops out of the race because no-one will cover his announcement. He may have already dropped out without anyone noticing.

So you’re saying Jim Gilmore needs to audition for the mouse in the RNC presents Tis Night Before Christmas.

Big Beautiful Door Oct 15, 2015 • 1:17:19pm

re: #42 HappyWarrior

Military experience has become something of the Cold War past though.

That’s for sure; every candidate with combat experience since 1988 has lost.

HappyWarrior Oct 15, 2015 • 1:17:57pm

re: #43 Dark_Falcon

Lindsey Graham is an officer in the Army Reserve and has been for a good number of years.

Thanks. I honestly did forget that and actually did not mean that as a slight on his service at all. I think he’s actually AF though to be a pedant.

wrenchwench Oct 15, 2015 • 1:17:58pm

re: #39 makeitstop

Wait, from the snip in Charles’ post, it looks like Trump is okay with opening and closing statements - he just wants a 2 hour limit to the debate itself.

Or am I reading that wrong?

He’s insisting on opening and closing statements.

Big Beautiful Door Oct 15, 2015 • 1:18:17pm

re: #43 Dark_Falcon

Lindsey Graham is an officer in the Army Reserve and has been for a good number of years.

And he is barely polling above zero percent.

lawhawk Oct 15, 2015 • 1:18:27pm

re: #39 makeitstop

Reread that and think you’re right.

Corey Lewandowski said that if the debate does not include opening or closing statements and is longer than two hours total, he’d reconsider his participation.

Someone else must be asking about cutting out the open/closing. Someone who might not excel in a debate format, but needs the airtime to bloviate.

HappyWarrior Oct 15, 2015 • 1:18:53pm

re: #45 Big Beautiful Door

That’s for sure; every candidate with combat experience since 1988 has lost.

eah H.W Bush was the last combat vet to win. As I said, that’s a Cold War thing. From Taft through FDR, none of those presidents had military experience either.

Franklin Oct 15, 2015 • 1:18:56pm

re: #39 makeitstop

Wait, from the snip in Charles’ post, it looks like Trump is okay with opening and closing statements - he just wants a 2 hour limit to the debate itself.

Or am I reading that wrong?

I read a different tweet, his demands are:

- Sub 2 hour debate (including commercials)
- Open and Closing statements

The open/close statements are not, as I understand it, currently part of the format.

HappyWarrior Oct 15, 2015 • 1:19:24pm

re: #48 Big Beautiful Door

And he is barely polling above zero percent.

That’s true but I did say none of them and Perry wasn’t exactly lighting the polls up either before he got out.

WhatEVs Oct 15, 2015 • 1:19:49pm

As funny as all of this is, it is very un-democratic like to have any news organization determine which candidates are worthy. The GOP should manage candidates. If they have 12 people running, all should be on that stage.

I think they are all clowns, but, for example, if you watch Lindsay Graham in the last kiddie table debate, he nailed it…and that he is relegated to the kiddie table is appalling. I would never vote for him nor do I agree with what I said he nailed, but republican voters would.

This is more of how badly the GOP leads and manages.

iossarian Oct 15, 2015 • 1:20:26pm

re: #49 lawhawk

Reread that and think you’re right.

Corey Lewandowski said that if the debate does not include opening or closing statements and is longer than two hours total, he’d reconsider his participation.

Someone else must be asking about cutting out the open/closing. Someone who might not excel in a debate format, but needs the airtime to bloviate.

Other candidates probably realize that giving Trump any opportunity to speak off the cuff without having to answer specific questions really hurts them.

Big Beautiful Door Oct 15, 2015 • 1:23:04pm

re: #50 HappyWarrior

eah H.W Bush was the last combat vet to win. As I said, that’s a Cold War thing. From Taft through FDR, none of those presidents had military experience either.

We had war heroes like Washington and Jackson, then a bunch of Civil War veterans, then a bunch of WWII veterans. But for the last twenty odd years voters just haven’t cared if you served or not.

HappyWarrior Oct 15, 2015 • 1:24:35pm

The decre: #55 Big Beautiful Door

We had war heroes like Washington and Jackson, then a bunch of Civil War veterans, then a bunch of WWII veterans. But for the last twenty odd years voters just haven’t cared if you served or not.

The interwar voters didn’t really care either. three of the first four presidents were actually not vets- Adams was not and neither were Jefferson and Madison. Wait ave to think about Madison. I think I may have read he was in the VA militia but not a combat vet. Quincy Adams I know wasn’t either.

darthstar Oct 15, 2015 • 1:25:28pm

Bitbucket is down. This impacts me more than the GOP.

lockjawcanbefun Oct 15, 2015 • 1:25:50pm

R.I.P. to Ken Taylor, the Canadian ambassador to Iran during the hostage crisis. Dead at 81.

FormerDirtDart Oct 15, 2015 • 1:26:49pm

Faux commentator for FAUX News
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

A @FoxNews commentator has been charged for lying about his career with the CIA: indictment. http://t.co/cfv64jgraR pic.twitter.com/znTsEBxJ7C

— New York Daily News (@NYDailyNews) October 15, 2015

goddamnedfrank Oct 15, 2015 • 1:26:57pm

The problem is that the majority of the GOP is now comprised of shambling undead oldfuckers, openly racist middle-aged taint goblins, and a few alt-right internet chan trolls. The party is officially now a dungeon crawl.

Dark_Falcon Oct 15, 2015 • 1:31:13pm

re: #60 goddamnedfrank

The problem is that the majority of the GOP is now comprised of shambling undead oldfuckers, openly racist middle-aged taint goblins, and a few alt-right internet chan trolls. The party is officially now a dungeon crawl.

By that logic you’re a Half-Orc, Half-Human Warlock.

Higgs Boson's Mate Oct 15, 2015 • 1:31:14pm

re: #59 FormerDirtDart

Faux commentator for FAUX News
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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Is it too late for him to run for the GOP this time?

Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Oct 15, 2015 • 1:33:07pm

re: #60 goddamnedfrank

The problem is that the majority of the GOP is now comprised of shambling undead oldfuckers, openly racist middle-aged taint goblins, and a few alt-right internet chan trolls. The party is officially now a dungeon crawl.

They have gone out of their way to alienate and intimidate almost anyone who is not angry, male and white.

goddamnedfrank Oct 15, 2015 • 1:33:53pm

re: #61 Dark_Falcon

By that logic you’re a Half-Orc, Half-Human Warlock.

There’s no shame in that game.

/casts magic missile into the darkness.

HappyWarrior Oct 15, 2015 • 1:34:23pm

Frankly to me the problem with the GOP is they have chosen to get more extreme. A contry growing more divesre. Let’s have our frontrunner call Mexicans rapists. Country is mostly pro-choice. Let’s flip out over birth control. Gay marriage is legal. Let’s have candidates that think you go rpison and come out ay.

ObserverArt Oct 15, 2015 • 1:34:45pm

Has anyone seen Reince Preibus around? I imagine he is looking a bit different these days. Add 15 years and take away his hair…

Nyet Oct 15, 2015 • 1:36:43pm

re: #60 goddamnedfrank

It is pitch white. You are likely to be eaten by a chuck.

HappyWarrior Oct 15, 2015 • 1:36:46pm

re: #66 ObserverArt

Has anyone seen Reince Preibus around? I imagine he is looking a bit different these days. Add 15 years and take away his hair…

/

I think he was spotted eating his own feces the day Trump became the front runner.

Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Oct 15, 2015 • 1:37:25pm

re: #65 HappyWarrior

Frankly to me the problem with the GOP is they have chosen to get more extreme. A contry growing more divesre. Let’s have our frontrunner call Mexicans rapists. Country is mostly pro-choice. Let’s flip out over birth control. Gay marriage is legal. Let’s have candidates that think you go rpison and come out ay.

They refused to refute or even distance themselves from people who espoused those views for fear of alienating their base, and now they have started an attention-grabbing race to the bottom.

They tend to sneer at “political correctness” but cannot understand that it is also sometimes politically expedient to keep your mouth shut on certain issues…

HappyWarrior Oct 15, 2015 • 1:38:18pm

re: #69 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

They refused to refute or even distance themselves from people who espoused those views for fear of alienating their base, and now they have started an attention-grabbing race to the bottom.

They tend to sneer at “political correctness” but cannot understand that it is also expedient to keep your mouth shut on certain issues…

Right that too certianly.

HappyWarrior Oct 15, 2015 • 1:38:54pm

It’s never good if your party sounds like a YouTube video comment page.

Higgs Boson's Mate Oct 15, 2015 • 1:40:56pm

re: #66 ObserverArt

Has anyone seen Reince Preibus around? I imagine he is looking a bit different these days. Add 15 years and take away his hair…

/

Your question made me wonder how many of the delegates to the GOP nominating convention would be able to spell his name correctly.

HappyWarrior Oct 15, 2015 • 1:42:01pm

re: #72 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Your question made me wonder how many of the delegates to the GOP nominating convention would be able to spell his name correctly.

I still love his acronyom. RNC PR BS.

The Vicious Babushka Oct 15, 2015 • 1:42:02pm

re: #66 ObserverArt

Has anyone seen Reince Preibus around? I imagine he is looking a bit different these days. Add 15 years and take away his hair…

/

He’s the only one who is not sick and tired of hearing about Hillary’s damn emails…

New findings in Hillary’s email scandal show her further undermining open records laws: http://t.co/P80xHtJIjc pic.twitter.com/eO5p0azy0G

— Reince Priebus (@Reince) October 15, 2015

ObserverArt Oct 15, 2015 • 1:42:07pm

re: #27 Dr. Matt

He was part of the Smear Boat Campaign/Liars.

In other words…he’s scum.

HappyWarrior Oct 15, 2015 • 1:42:57pm

re: #75 ObserverArt

In other words…he’s scum.

I would have to say so if he was involved with them and Ken Cucicnlli who apparently has connection to the Freedumb Cuacus assholes too I am hearing now.

Dark_Falcon Oct 15, 2015 • 1:44:07pm

re: #67 Nyet

It is pitch white. You are likely to be eaten by a chuck.

Not a chance. Frank would use Block and Report to Banish the (Up)chuck to the Garbage Dump. GDF will still have to avoid the poop it left on the floor, of course.

Jenner7 Oct 15, 2015 • 1:47:12pm

Call me a Hilbot, but I just watched a clip from Rachel’s show of Hillary going after the Republican party and I got a lit up. Seriously, she was on point on the message of how terrible Republicans are.

I have never seen her that fired up. Go Hillary. I want to see more of that.

Black Skeleton d20 Oct 15, 2015 • 1:47:20pm

re: #60 goddamnedfrank

And me without a party. Oh well, lesse if I can solo this adventure module.

Blind Frog Belly White Oct 15, 2015 • 1:48:39pm

Who is this “Sheriff Clarke” who is now the go-to black guy to say the racist things they all want to hear, and thus figleafs them - “Hey, if a black guy says it, it CAN’T be racist!”

HappyWarrior Oct 15, 2015 • 1:49:03pm

re: #78 Jenner7

Call me a Hilbot, but I just watched a clip from Rachel’s show of Hillary going after the Republican party and I got a lit up. Seriously, she was on point on the message of how terrible Republicans are.

I have never seen her that fired up. Go Hillary. I want to see more of that.

They really are. And it’s so laughable seeing Republicans complain about that when they’ve made this president out to be someone who hates this country.

HappyWarrior Oct 15, 2015 • 1:49:36pm

re: #80 Blind Frog Belly White

Who is this “Sheriff Clarke” who is now the go-to black guy to say the racist things they all want to hear, and thus figleafs them - “Hey, if a black guy says it, it CAN’T be racist!”

IIRC he’s the nutty sherif of Madison, Wisconsin. No idea why Maidson has a wingnut sheriff.

Nyet Oct 15, 2015 • 1:50:13pm

re: #78 Jenner7

Nothing wrong with being a Hillbot. But then, I’m biased ;)

KGxvi Oct 15, 2015 • 1:51:16pm

I have to admit, requesting/requiring opening and closing statements seems like an entirely reasonable demand for a debate.

But the flip side is, if you limit it to two hours (including commercials) you’re looking about about 90 minutes of actual debate time. Two minutes to open, one minute to close, for what, 12 candidates? That’s 36 minutes. That only leaves 54 minutes for Trump to insult everyone, Huckabee to declare the Confederacy the morally right side of the Civil War, and for Fiorina to summon the demon sheep. That’s not a whole lot of time.

And one would think if you’re trailing in the polls you’d want more time for Trump to slip up and say something damaging (like admitting he’s really pro-choice) and/or more time to get your positions out there - which of course is why Trump, as the leader, would want less time. If I were a trailing candidate, I’d say that Trump was scared to “debate the real issues”.

Blind Frog Belly White Oct 15, 2015 • 1:51:33pm

re: #82 HappyWarrior

IIRC he’s the nutty sherif of Madison, Wisconsin. No idea why Maidson has a wingnut sheriff.

He’s a wingnut dream. Clear demonstration that blacks can be racist against blacks.

Dark_Falcon Oct 15, 2015 • 1:52:08pm

re: #82 HappyWarrior

IIRC he’s the nutty sheriff of Madison, Wisconsin. No idea why Maidson has a wingnut sheriff.

No, he’s the Sheriff of Milwaukee County, WI. Madison is Dane County.

HappyWarrior Oct 15, 2015 • 1:52:52pm

re: #85 Blind Frog Belly White

He’s a wingnut dream. Clear demonstration that blacks can be racist against blacks.

Winguts act like such a thing is impossible yet they think every single white liberal hates white people.

HappyWarrior Oct 15, 2015 • 1:53:16pm

re: #86 Dark_Falcon

No, he’s the Sheriff of Milwaukee County, WI. Madison is Dane County.

Ah that’s right. Thank you for that. Knew it was one of those two but not Green Bay. Milwaukee County is where Walker used to be County Executive right? It’s not the actual city but I guess to draw a comparision like Baltimore, where there is both Baltimore city and Baltimore Coutny.

Charles Johnson Oct 15, 2015 • 1:54:12pm

Chuck Johnson has only one day to finish his responses to Gawker’s motions, or risk really pissing the judge off this time. So what’s our boy Chuck doing with his time today?

Dark_Falcon Oct 15, 2015 • 1:55:17pm

re: #84 KGxvi

And one would think if you’re trailing in the polls you’d want more time for Trump to slip up and say something damaging (like admitting he’s really pro-choice) and/or more time to get your positions out there - which of course is why Trump, as the leader, would want less time. If I were a trailing candidate, I’d say that Trump was scared to “debate the real issues”.

And then Trump would call you a “low-energy loser”, mock your polling numbers, and dismiss you with a personal insult.

Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Oct 15, 2015 • 1:55:30pm

re: #89 Charles Johnson

Chuck Johnson has only one day to finish his responses to Gawker’s motions, or risk really pissing the judge off this time. So what’s our boy Chuck doing with his time today?

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It is set to return because the copyright has expired. It was owned by the State of Bavaria, which simply refused to grant anyone the rights to republish it.

Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Oct 15, 2015 • 1:55:49pm

Ben Carson is joining the mass tantrum as well: Donald Trump, Ben Carson Threaten to Boycott the Next GOP Debate.

Carson also wants time during the debate to read extended passages from his latest book.

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HappyWarrior Oct 15, 2015 • 1:56:06pm

re: #91 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It is set to return because the copyright has expired. It was owned by the State of Bavaria, which simply refused to grant anyone the rights to republish it.

Ah that makes sense.

Nyet Oct 15, 2015 • 1:58:30pm

re: #91 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It is set to return because the copyright has expired. It was owned by the State of Bavaria, which simply refused to grant anyone the rights to republish it.

I don’t get it though. I’m pretty sure spreading of literature that sows racial hatred is prohibited, so why would MK be an exception?

Bubblehead II Oct 15, 2015 • 1:58:32pm

Zing!

“That’s how we’ve always made this country great—not by building walls—but by tearing down barriers to opportunity.” —@POTUS

— The White House (@WhiteHouse) October 15, 2015

Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Oct 15, 2015 • 1:59:08pm

re: #89 Charles Johnson

Chuck Johnson has only one day to finish his responses to Gawker’s motions, or risk really pissing the judge off this time. So what’s our boy Chuck doing with his time today?

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His award-winning lawyer is handling it.

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KGxvi Oct 15, 2015 • 2:01:45pm

re: #90 Dark_Falcon

Honestly, at this point, if I were actually a candidate, I think the only way I’d deal with Trump would be by hitting him with a steel chair and then power bombing him through the moderator’s table. That’d have to be good for a polling bump, right?

HappyWarrior Oct 15, 2015 • 2:04:01pm

re: #97 KGxvi

Honestly, at this point, if I were actually a candidate, I think the only way I’d deal with Trump would be by hitting him with a steel chair and then power bombing him through the moderator’s table. That’d have to be good for a polling bump, right?

No ebcause Trump would team yup with Cruz and then you’d be stuck with Bobby Jindal as a tag team partner.

KGxvi Oct 15, 2015 • 2:06:59pm

re: #98 HappyWarrior

I see Jindal as more of a weaselly manager for my tag team. I would consider Christie as a tag partner… but only so I could eventually turn on him by super kicking him through a plate glass window.

and now I see that my wrestling geek is starting to show, so I’ll be quiet.

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Dark_Falcon Oct 15, 2015 • 2:08:10pm

re: #98 HappyWarrior

No ebcause Trump would team yup with Cruz and then you’d be stuck with Bobby Jindal as a tag team partner.

Jindal would be fine in wrestling, since he’d spit Holy Water at opponents that would burst into flame when it struck the skin of the wicked.

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HappyWarrior Oct 15, 2015 • 2:08:44pm

re: #99 KGxvi

I see Jindal as more of a weaselly manager for my tag team. I would consider Christie as a tag partner… but only so I could eventually turn on him by super kicking him through a plate glass window.

and now I see that my wrestling geek is starting to show, so I’ll be quiet.

Oh Id don’t know anything about about wrestling. I just chose Jindal since it’s obvious he can’t stand Trump.

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Nyet Oct 15, 2015 • 2:09:33pm

Aha. German wiki to the rescue:

Die Urheberrechte enden mit dem 31. Dezember 2015 (gemäß § 64 und § 69 Urheberrechtsgesetz) nach Ablauf der Regelschutzfrist von 70 Jahren nach dem Tod Hitlers. Das bayerische Finanzministerium vertritt die Auffassung, dass ein Nachdruck auch nach Erlöschen des Urheberrechts als Verbreitung verfassungsfeindlicher Propaganda sowie als Volksverhetzung strafbar sei.[66]

The Bavarian Ministry of Finance’s opinion is that distribution of MK after the copyright expires is unconstitutional.

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Dark_Falcon Oct 15, 2015 • 2:09:44pm

re: #99 KGxvi

I see Jindal as more of a weaselly manager for my tag team. I would consider Christie as a tag partner… but only so I could eventually turn on him by super kicking him through a plate glass window.

and now I see that my wrestling geek is starting to show, so I’ll be quiet.

No, Christie is the guy you want delivering the Banzai Drop as the team’s Finishing Move.

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HappyWarrior Oct 15, 2015 • 2:10:20pm

Buncha nerds. //

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Higgs Boson's Mate Oct 15, 2015 • 2:10:47pm

re: #94 Nyet

I don’t get it though. I’m pretty sure spreading of literature that sows racial hatred is prohibited, so why would MK be an exception?

The book was first published 90 years ago. It may be that, at some age, a work is grandfathered out of the prohibition.

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Nyet Oct 15, 2015 • 2:11:25pm

re: #102 Nyet

A historical-critical edition would be an exception to the rule, because of the intent.

I think it’s an idiotic idea though.

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Nyet Oct 15, 2015 • 2:12:28pm

re: #105 Higgs Boson’s Mate

The book was first published 90 years ago. It may be that, at some age, a work is grandfathered out of the prohibition.

The old editions are actually not prohibited, so they’re grandfathered in this sense. It doesn’t apply to new editions.

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Nyet Oct 15, 2015 • 2:13:19pm

People will just skip the commentary.

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ObserverArt Oct 15, 2015 • 2:13:30pm

Political wars…

General Trump seen ordering his foot soldiers to order the G.O.P. National Headquarters to change the rules of war or he will blow the whole damn thing to smithereens.

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Eventual Carrion Oct 15, 2015 • 2:14:28pm

re: #85 Blind Frog Belly White

He’s a wingnut dream. Clear demonstration that blacks can be racist against blacks.

Oh yeah. My buddy I worked with and hung out with in Mississippi was black as the night. He would tell me how his MIL kept trying to talk his wife out of marrying him, because he is so black. His wife has a nice light chocolate complexion as did her family. So there is still some of that even between black people.

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BadgerB Oct 15, 2015 • 2:16:41pm

I’d say that Trump (and Carson) wants to push more people out of the adult debate and into the kids show. They are in the lead, what they want is for the folks at the bottom of the polls to go away. This gives them more time to talk about themselves and removes the annoying dynamic where all the folks with nothing to lose take pot shots at the leaders who can’t respond because just mentions the little folks helps their polling. [or so I see it]

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HappyWarrior Oct 15, 2015 • 2:17:31pm

re: #110 Eventual Carrion

Oh yeah. My buddy I worked with and hung out with in Mississippi was black as the night. He would tell me how his MIL kept trying to talk his wife out of marrying him, because he is so black. His wife has a nice light chocolate complexion as did her family. So there is still some of that even between black people.

Unforutnately “colorism” is common. in alot of communities. I’ve heard it’s really bad in India especially.

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darthstar Oct 15, 2015 • 2:17:37pm

@MotherJones Fuck that little thief. GG has himself a new one now anyway. Guy will probably be Snowden’s roommate in 3 months.

— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) October 15, 2015

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The Vicious Babushka Oct 15, 2015 • 2:19:42pm

re: #113 darthstar

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Who’s GG’s new pet?

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Higgs Boson's Mate Oct 15, 2015 • 2:20:56pm

re: #110 Eventual Carrion

My experience in various parts of Asia and SE Asia was that there’s widespread preference for lighter skin there. That may be because darkly tanned skin is considered the sign of being a rustic or a menial.

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Bubblehead II Oct 15, 2015 • 2:21:09pm

Not a big fan of religion, but if you buy a house next to an existing church you had better be prepared to put up with some noise (and traffic).

Singing while black: Oakland choir threatened with ‘nuisance’ fines after tech workers enter neighborhood

Pleasant Grove Baptist Church in West Oakland received a cease-and-desist letter from the city threatening them with $500 a day in fines plus a $3,500 nuisance fee, CBS San Francisco reports. Church members believe the sudden complaints about the choir are due to the fact the area is becoming gentrified.

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HappyWarrior Oct 15, 2015 • 2:22:54pm

re: #116 Bubblehead II

Not a big fan of religion, but if you buy a house next to an existing church you had better be prepared to put up with some noise (and traffic).

Singing while black: Oakland choir threatened with ‘nuisance’ fines after tech workers enter neighborhood

Pleasant Grove Baptist Church in West Oakland received a cease-and-desist letter from the city threatening them with $500 a day in fines plus a $3,500 nuisance fee, CBS San Francisco reports. Church members believe the sudden complaints about the choir are due to the fact the area is becoming gentrified.

I do have to agree with that.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Oct 15, 2015 • 2:23:21pm

re: #60 goddamnedfrank

The problem is that the majority of the GOP is now comprised of shambling undead oldfuckers, openly racist middle-aged taint goblins, and a few alt-right internet chan trolls. The party is officially now a dungeon crawl.

my ‘conservative’ buddies here are currently dwelling in a fantasy land where ‘the trump followers are mostly people who arent conservatives, never vote and usually arent interested in politics, so they wont count when the primaries start’

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Higgs Boson's Mate Oct 15, 2015 • 2:23:22pm

re: #116 Bubblehead II

Sounds just like the assholes who buy near the airport because it’s cheap and then hound the shit out of everyone in government to get the airport shut down.

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HappyWarrior Oct 15, 2015 • 2:23:43pm

re: #115 Higgs Boson’s Mate

My experience in various parts of Asia and SE Asia was that there’s widespread preference for lighter skin there. That may be because darkly tanned skin is considered the sign of being a rustic or a menial.

I think it’s in South AMmrica too

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Archangelus Oct 15, 2015 • 2:26:04pm

Between this page and all the other GOP whining i’ve been reading about the past 24 hours, the party needs to have its mascot replaced with this..

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Timothy Watson Oct 15, 2015 • 2:30:43pm

A more effective GOP agenda: Kosovo opposition stages tear gas protest in parliament @AJENews http://t.co/b723g16ouG

— Timothy Watson (@timothy_watson) October 15, 2015

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Bubblehead II Oct 15, 2015 • 2:31:22pm

re: #121 Archangelus

Between this page and all the other GOP whining i’ve been reading about the past 24 hours, the party needs to have its mascot replaced with this..

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All that need is bugs saying “Ah put a sock in it” and then slapping one in

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darthstar Oct 15, 2015 • 2:31:42pm

re: #114 The Vicious Babushka

Who’s GG’s new pet?

The Intercept just got some docs on Obama’s “secret drone program”…

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Dave In Austin Oct 15, 2015 • 2:33:17pm

TY…

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Eventual Carrion Oct 15, 2015 • 2:38:27pm

re: #124 darthstar

The Intercept just got some docs on Obama’s “secret drone program”…

That secret one some people have been bitching about for years?

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wrenchwench Oct 15, 2015 • 2:39:08pm

Truth… pic.twitter.com/oWI6csRz3q

— Bob (@faobobindc) October 15, 2015

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Higgs Boson's Mate Oct 15, 2015 • 2:39:46pm

Enjoying, at the moment, one of my favorite parts of the Beeb’s production of “I. Claudius.” I bought the original boxed set then bought the 35th Anniversary Edition.
The thing still has its moments for me.
And, get off of my lawn.

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Jenner7 Oct 15, 2015 • 2:40:18pm

re: #126 Eventual Carrion

They are really good at revealing things we already know.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Oct 15, 2015 • 2:41:11pm

re: #126 Eventual Carrion

That secret one some people have been bitching about for years?

We only know about secret drones because Edward Snowden whistleblower on NSA Surveillance!!!!11

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darthstar Oct 15, 2015 • 2:41:38pm

re: #126 Eventual Carrion

That secret one some people have been bitching about for years?

<private comment> Shh…nobody’s supposed to know.<.private comment>

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darthstar Oct 15, 2015 • 2:42:56pm

Yay! My first private comment send! I feel so win. Like Bobby Jindal at a musical chairs for Jesus pie contest.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Oct 15, 2015 • 2:43:51pm

re: #121 Archangelus

Between this page and all the other GOP whining i’ve been reading about the past 24 hours, the party needs to have its mascot replaced with this..

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these kids and their ya ya music it’s alotta junk i tellya

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Dark_Falcon Oct 15, 2015 • 2:44:47pm

re: #132 darthstar

Yay! My first private comment send! I feel so win. Like Bobby Jindal at a musical chairs for Jesus pie contest.

Don’t look now, but your attempt to use the private comment function failed.

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wrenchwench Oct 15, 2015 • 2:46:18pm

re: #128 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Enjoying, at the moment, one of my favorite parts of the Beeb’s production of “I. Claudius.” I bought the original boxed set then bought the 35th Anniversary Edition.
The thing still has its moments for me.
And, get off of my lawn.

Derek Jacobi was fantastic in that.

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darthstar Oct 15, 2015 • 2:49:30pm

re: #134 Dark_Falcon

Don’t look now, but your attempt to use the private comment function failed.

Hence the Booby Jindal reference.

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Bubblehead II Oct 15, 2015 • 2:53:05pm

re: #136 darthstar

Hence the Booby Jindal reference.

He pwaned you there D.F.

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wrenchwench Oct 15, 2015 • 2:53:55pm

Indigenous musician’s Facebook page suspended for using traditional name http://t.co/gsAmElSgik by @cbcnews pic.twitter.com/9U9xh0Xxwh

— Bob Joseph (@wewap) October 15, 2015

[…]

“I have two names. I have a traditional name, and I have an English name,” said isKwe, whose English name is Meghan Meisters. “[IsKwe] is the name that I’ve been going as for a long time. It’s the name that family know me as, friends know me as and my business and my music and my art know me as.”

She’s run a personal and fan page for years under the name, but over the weekend, Facebook suspended her personal account, which also prevented her from accessing her fan page.

“I had no access to it until I was able to prove isKwe was my ‘authentic identity,’ and in order to do so, they required that I submit government-issued ID that was I was told would remain on file,” she said. “It was infuriating … On a business side of things, I have a very large show coming up in Toronto next week and it blocked me from everything on Facebook, which is where I do the majority of my promotion.”

[…]

Maybe that’s why FB is too busy to keep Chuck off of there.

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Dark_Falcon Oct 15, 2015 • 2:56:46pm

re: #137 Bubblehead II

He pwaned you there D.F.

I figured he might be doing that. But I decided it was better not make assumptions and to make sure DS had his comment the way he wanted it.

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wrenchwench Oct 15, 2015 • 3:00:27pm

Judge rules medication abortion law unconstitutional http://t.co/scvyzQcHHh

— Astrid Galván (@astridgalvan) October 15, 2015

TUCSON, Ariz. (AP) — A Maricopa County Superior Court judge has ruled that a 2012 state law that severely restricts medication abortions is unconstitutional.

The lawsuit was filed by the Center for Reproductive Rights and Planned Parenthood. The law that bans women from taking the most common abortion-inducing drug, mifepristone, after the seventh week of pregnancy. It also requires the drugs be taken only at the FDA-approved doses and only at clinics.

Judge J. Richard Gama ruled that the law is unconstitutional because it makes Arizona law contingent on FDA rules by requiring that abortion medication be prescribed only by FDA protocol

[…]

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Stanley Sea Toujours Oct 15, 2015 • 3:06:50pm

re: #137 Bubblehead II

He pwaned you there D.F.

I was pawned as well. Just kept my pie hole closed.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Oct 15, 2015 • 3:10:41pm

So, there are enough folks here with experience that I feel I can ask: a friend just had her daughter officially diagnosed as on the spectrum today. What/how is the best way for me to support her? This is someone I’ve known for a while and lives cross country from me, but we remain friendly if not close and I want to be supportive on this.

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KGxvi Oct 15, 2015 • 3:11:28pm

So, has anyone figured out if Carson is actually suspending his campaign to go on a book tour? Apparently his campaign staff is backpedaling, saying he’s not suspending it, just that there’s some overlap, or some such bullshit. Funny thing about the grift… you can’t let the griftees know you’re grifting, feels like that’s what’s happening.

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darthstar Oct 15, 2015 • 3:14:35pm

re: #143 KGxvi

So, has anyone figured out if Carson is actually suspending his campaign to go on a book tour? Apparently his campaign staff is backpedaling, saying he’s not suspending it, just that there’s some overlap, or some such bullshit. Funny thing about the grift… you can’t let the griftees know you’re grifting, feels like that’s what’s happening.

The real grifters form SuperPACs. Jeb!’s team has 114 million dollars collecting interest right now. All that money gets put toward “administrative costs” before a dime is refunded to a donor. And donors have to ask for their money back.

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Eventual Carrion Oct 15, 2015 • 3:16:33pm

re: #141 Stanley Sea Toujours

I was pawned as well. Just kept my pie hole closed.

I read it as him goofing on the secret (private message) being in plain sight.

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makeitstop Oct 15, 2015 • 3:16:34pm

Need a quick bit of help…

Jim Wright seems to have fallen for that fake Trump tweet, and now his followers are starting to jump on me for calling it fake.

How do you edit tweets in Chrome? I want to do a demo so they know I’m not a troll.

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darthstar Oct 15, 2015 • 3:16:45pm

So Donald Trump is also fundraising (though he denies it)…now consider this…let’s say he pulled in 10-12 million dollars in donations. That’s all money he could spend “on his campaign”…10 million dollars is a pretty nice down payment on a new Campaign HQ/Hotel/Spa if you’re a property developer. I’ll bet Trump has looked at the FEC regulations (weak as they are) and figured this out for himself.

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Agnostick Oct 15, 2015 • 3:18:31pm

re: #15 Dark_Falcon

Aaahhh, “Lamestream Media.” Tired, and sad cliché.

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Agnostick Oct 15, 2015 • 3:19:49pm

Keep in mind, folks, that the August debate was not so much a “debate,” as an opportunity for Murdoch to funnel campaign funds into his pockets. Nothing more.

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darthstar Oct 15, 2015 • 3:20:42pm

re: #148 Agnostick

Aaahhh, “Lamestream Media.” Tired, and sad cliché.

He’s just channeling his inner Sarah.

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wrenchwench Oct 15, 2015 • 3:21:17pm

re: #142 klys (maker of Silmarils)

So, there are enough folks here with experience that I feel I can ask: a friend just had her daughter officially diagnosed as on the spectrum today. What/how is the best way for me to support her? This is someone I’ve known for a while and lives cross country from me, but we remain friendly if not close and I want to be supportive on this.

An indication on a card that you are not afraid to talk about the subject with her might be very meaningful to her. I know you’re good at that.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Oct 15, 2015 • 3:22:29pm

re: #151 wrenchwench

An indication on a card that you are not afraid to talk about the subject with her might be very meaningful to her. I know you’re good at that.

Yeah, but then the post office EATS them. ;)

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Higgs Boson's Mate Oct 15, 2015 • 3:23:08pm

re: #142 klys (maker of Silmarils)

So, there are enough folks here with experience that I feel I can ask: a friend just had her daughter officially diagnosed as on the spectrum today. What/how is the best way for me to support her? This is someone I’ve known for a while and lives cross country from me, but we remain friendly if not close and I want to be supportive on this.

My son is on the spectrum. Agree with wrenchwench.

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Agnostick Oct 15, 2015 • 3:23:09pm

Trump needs to go CPAC next March with about 20 lawyers in tow. Stroll into the Gaylord (yeah, they did that!), and announce his independent run. “I’m going rogue. Wanna argue? Argue with these guys.”

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wrenchwench Oct 15, 2015 • 3:23:12pm

re: #152 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Yeah, but then the post office EATS them. ;)

Does she have a fax machine?

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goddamnedfrank Oct 15, 2015 • 3:25:49pm

Remember the Romney face tattoo guy? #PepperidgeFarmRemembers pic.twitter.com/3dtR3bXV7p

— goddamnedfrank (@goddamnedfrank) October 15, 2015

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 15, 2015 • 3:26:07pm

Another Rand Paul livestream highlight:

Rand Paul: “Now I’m supposed to read mean tweets… (dejected tone) mean tweets…” https://t.co/Rzmh84FRgT #GoldJerryGold

— Joe Sonka (@joesonka) October 15, 2015

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goddamnedfrank Oct 15, 2015 • 3:28:44pm

Random Photoshop Observation: Jeb Bush has a lot of neck.

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allegro Oct 15, 2015 • 3:29:46pm

re: #158 goddamnedfrank

Random Photoshop Observation: Jeb Bush has a lot of neck.

I mostly see ass.

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Charles Johnson Oct 15, 2015 • 3:32:37pm

Just got this from the contact form. I’m guessing this person is of the right wing persuasion.

I forgot why I stopped attending at LGF. You are fucking out of your mind. What bullshit you publish on your garbage site. What? You start taking drugs?

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Jebediah, RBG Oct 15, 2015 • 3:34:42pm

re: #160 Charles Johnson

Jazz is a helluva drug.

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Charles Johnson Oct 15, 2015 • 3:35:15pm

Migraines suck.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 15, 2015

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HappyWarrior Oct 15, 2015 • 3:36:34pm

re: #142 klys (maker of Silmarils)

So, there are enough folks here with experience that I feel I can ask: a friend just had her daughter officially diagnosed as on the spectrum today. What/how is the best way for me to support her? This is someone I’ve known for a while and lives cross country from me, but we remain friendly if not close and I want to be supportive on this.

I like WW’s suggestion. By acknowledging her situation, you will be doing a lot of good. I don’t know how well you know your friend’s daughter but encourage her too and her interests. You’re a good friend though, I can tell that already from how you asked this and interacting with you here.

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HappyWarrior Oct 15, 2015 • 3:36:57pm

re: #160 Charles Johnson

Just got this from the contact form. I’m guessing this person is of the right wing persuasion.

They sound nice.

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Higgs Boson's Mate Oct 15, 2015 • 3:37:11pm

re: #160 Charles Johnson

Just got this from the contact form. I’m guessing this person is of the right wing persuasion.

“Your food is terrible, and such small portions!”
“Your site sucks, and why won’t you let me register!”
“Government is evil, elect me to government!”

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HappyWarrior Oct 15, 2015 • 3:37:41pm

re: #156 goddamnedfrank

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Oh that guy. What a dolt.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Oct 15, 2015 • 3:39:29pm

re: #163 HappyWarrior

I like WW’s suggestion. By acknowledging her situation, you will be doing a lot of good. I don’t know how well you know your friend’s daughter but encourage her too and her interests. You’re a good friend though, I can tell that already from how you asked this and interacting with you here.

It’s a relatively early diagnosis - her daughter is only 3-ish (birthdays are hard, ok?) - and it sounds like she’s relatively high-functioning. I know they’ve been working hard to get her the support she needs.

I just also know that’s got to be a rough time for them as parents and I want to be sure she knows I’m thinking about her. So I will probably try to do a card or something, and maybe tuck in a gift card for her to spend on stuff for the hobby she’s trying to turn into a home business.

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wrenchwench Oct 15, 2015 • 3:41:04pm

re: #162 Charles Johnson

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It’s the most common effect of TBI and I am sooooo lucky to have never had one.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Oct 15, 2015 • 3:41:35pm

re: #168 wrenchwench

It’s the most common effect of TBI and I am sooooo lucky to have never had one.

I was wondering when the TBI fact of the day (or tip of the day, depending on the day) was going to show up. ;)

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KGxvi Oct 15, 2015 • 3:42:57pm

re: #156 goddamnedfrank

at least he was “smart” enough to make sure that the red portion of that tat could be covered by growing his hair out. that way he just has a “tough” looking tribalish face tattoo (which, yeah, that’s still a poor life choice).

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Stanley Sea Toujours Oct 15, 2015 • 3:43:49pm

re: #160 Charles Johnson

Just got this from the contact form. I’m guessing this person is of the right wing persuasion.

You ever hear from Cato?

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HappyWarrior Oct 15, 2015 • 3:44:10pm

re: #167 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It’s a relatively early diagnosis - her daughter is only 3-ish (birthdays are hard, ok?) - and it sounds like she’s relatively high-functioning. I know they’ve been working hard to get her the support she needs.

I just also know that’s got to be a rough time for them as parents and I want to be sure she knows I’m thinking about her. So I will probably try to do a card or something, and maybe tuck in a gift card for her to spend on stuff for the hobby she’s trying to turn into a home business.

What’s good is they diagnosed her early. It’s definitely tough though I imagine for the parents. Having only been on the diagnosed end, I have no idea what that side us like. I love your idea though. I think she’ll appreciate it. I’m also glad she’s relatively high functioning. It’s tougher being lower functioning I imagine.

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wrenchwench Oct 15, 2015 • 3:45:19pm

re: #169 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I was wondering when the TBI fact of the day (or tip of the day, depending on the day) was going to show up. ;)

I’m closed today, so the sidewalk doctors are leaving me alone. :) This is my first Thursday closed. I switched it from Monday so I can have a couple of days between lap sessions at the nearby track. 8 laps this morning!

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Jenner7 Oct 15, 2015 • 3:46:07pm

I just published “Reflections on Meeting with Senator Bernie Sanders and Secretary Hillary Clinton, and the…” https://t.co/tzN8hJqXWg

— deray mckesson (@deray) October 15, 2015

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Oct 15, 2015 • 3:46:41pm

re: #173 wrenchwench

I’m closed today, so the sidewalk doctors are leaving me alone. :) This is my first Thursday closed. I switched it from Monday so I can have a couple of days between lap sessions at the nearby track. 8 laps this morning!

Go you! Today was day #2 of weight training (which I am doing on Tu/Th), which …hahahaha, oh man.

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Eventual Carrion Oct 15, 2015 • 3:48:47pm

Even here in my small town the library is going high tech. I just went to renew my library membership and my card now has a bar-code on the back and they even gave me a little card to put on my key ring (also with bar-code on the back). My little backward town is moving slowly into the 20th century (don’t rush them).

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HappyWarrior Oct 15, 2015 • 3:49:43pm

re: #174 Jenner7

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So much respect for Deray continuing to fight the good fight.

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Nojay UK Oct 15, 2015 • 3:50:20pm

re: #162 Charles Johnson

I don’t know what’s available as OTC treatments for migraine in the US but Over Here in the UK my go-to fix for an incipient migraine involves an ibuprofen-codeine mix with an anti-nausea sidekick (Buclizine, I think). It’s effective for me if I catch it in time although the codeine gives me a touch of “the colours, man!” so no operating heavy machinery or juggling chainsaws for me until the day after.

The pharmacist will ask a few questions before selling it to me but it’s not a prescription-only drug.

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Eventual Carrion Oct 15, 2015 • 3:50:36pm

re: #171 Stanley Sea Toujours

You ever hear from Cato?

He’s always hiding somewhere, waiting for me to come along so he can jump out and … different Cato?

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Oct 15, 2015 • 3:51:14pm

re: #178 Nojay UK

I am not a pharmacist and so can’t say for sure but I think most codeine drugs in the US are prescription only, if not all.

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Charles Johnson Oct 15, 2015 • 3:51:53pm

re: #171 Stanley Sea Toujours

You ever hear from Cato?

Nope.

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wrenchwench Oct 15, 2015 • 3:52:07pm

re: #175 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Go you! Today was day #2 of weight training (which I am doing on Tu/Th), which …hahahaha, oh man.

My new best friend is my velcro-on ankle weight. Up to 20 pounds! I’m using 10 lbs. right now, but not right now-right now; 5 evenings per week. (Is it only here that ‘right-now-right-now’ means ‘right now’ and ‘right now’ means ‘soon’?)

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b_sharp Oct 15, 2015 • 3:53:01pm

re: #142 klys (maker of Silmarils)

So, there are enough folks here with experience that I feel I can ask: a friend just had her daughter officially diagnosed as on the spectrum today. What/how is the best way for me to support her? This is someone I’ve known for a while and lives cross country from me, but we remain friendly if not close and I want to be supportive on this.

Talk to her directly about it, don’t beat around the bush, and don’t be super sympathetic because that communicates to her that she has a damaged kid. She doesn’t.

It does really depend on where on the spectrum the daughter sits for how much she will have to prepare herself. She will have to become extremely literal in her communication with her daughter, and pay attention to exactly what her daughter is focusing on rather than what she would focus on. Kids on the spectrum react poorly when their plans don’t go well, so you’ll have to be both an information source, giving her ideas on how to approach problems and emotional support when she becomes frustrated at her inability to understand her child. Remember that she will be too close to the situation to see everything.

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stpaulbear Oct 15, 2015 • 3:53:15pm

re: #53 WhatEVs

As funny as all of this is, it is very un-democratic like to have any news organization determine which candidates are worthy. The GOP should manage candidates. If they have 12 people running, all should be on that stage.

I think they are all clowns, but, for example, if you watch Lindsay Graham in the last kiddie table debate, he nailed it…and that he is relegated to the kiddie table is appalling. I would never vote for him nor do I agree with what I said he nailed, but republican voters would.

This is more of how badly the GOP leads and manages.

They should have the top 12 candidates for a two hour debate. Each should have 5 minutes for opening statement and another 5 for closing. The rest of the time is open for questions and commercials.

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Charles Johnson Oct 15, 2015 • 3:53:42pm

I’m lucky - I seem to have outlasted the monster crushing headache portion of the migraine; still get a headache but it’s bearable. Just visual disturbances for about an hour and then feel crappy the rest of the day.

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b_sharp Oct 15, 2015 • 3:53:45pm

re: #162 Charles Johnson

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No shit. I had one yesterday.

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HappyWarrior Oct 15, 2015 • 3:53:56pm

re: #183 b_sharp

Talk to her directly about it, don’t beat around the bush, and don’t be super sympathetic because that communicates to her that she has a damaged kid. She doesn’t.

It does really depend on where on the spectrum the daughter sits for how much she will have to prepare herself. She will have to become extremely literal in her communication with her daughter, and pay attention to exactly what her daughter is focusing on rather than what she would focus on. Kids on the spectrum react poorly when their plans don’t go well, so you’ll have to be both an information source, giving her ideas on how to approach problems and emotional support when she becomes frustrated at her inability to understand her child. Remember that she will be too close to the situation to see everything.

Great advice.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Oct 15, 2015 • 3:54:02pm

re: #182 wrenchwench

My new best friend is my velcro-on ankle weight. Up to 20 pounds! I’m using 10 lbs. right now, but not right now-right now; 5 evenings per week. (Is it only here that ‘right-now-right-now’ means ‘right now’ and ‘right now’ means ‘soon’?)

My current routine includes a bunch of squats and lunges, which I felt yesterday.

But not so much today, which was good. So I got to do it again.

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b_sharp Oct 15, 2015 • 3:56:09pm

re: #182 wrenchwench

My new best friend is my velcro-on ankle weight. Up to 20 pounds! I’m using 10 lbs. right now, but not right now-right now; 5 evenings per week. (Is it only here that ‘right-now-right-now’ means ‘right now’ and ‘right now’ means ‘soon’?)

Yes.

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b_sharp Oct 15, 2015 • 3:57:47pm

re: #188 klys (maker of Silmarils)

My current routine includes a bunch of squats and lunges, which I felt yesterday.

But not so much today, which was good. So I got to do it again.

I squat to pick up food I dropped on the floor, and I lunge at my dog when he gets to that food before I do.

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HappyWarrior Oct 15, 2015 • 3:58:52pm

The key thing about dealing with children on the soectrum is patience. Some things will come almost absurdly easy for this little girl while others absurdly difficult. I think that paradox confused my parents. I read at an early age while my social skills lagged.

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wrenchwench Oct 15, 2015 • 3:59:08pm

re: #188 klys (maker of Silmarils)

My current routine includes a bunch of squats and lunges, which I felt yesterday.

But not so much today, which was good. So I got to do it again.

I am the lunge queen! My PT guy used to make me lunge-walk all the way around the workout room. The first time the asked me to do a diagonal lunge (rise on one leg after lunging [into a corner for support if needed]) I was so bad he never asked me again, but I’ve mastered it on my own.

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Timothy Watson Oct 15, 2015 • 4:00:04pm

re: #185 Charles Johnson

I’m lucky - I seem to have outlasted the monster crushing headache portion of the migraine; still get a headache but it’s bearable. Just visual disturbances for about an hour and then feel crappy the rest of the day.

I am type 1 diabetic and my blood glucose has been a little unstable since I’ve started this diet (keep having to adjust my insulin levels) and I keep waking up with hypoglycemia (low blood sugar), which is a sure fire way to have an awful headache all day.

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Dark_Falcon Oct 15, 2015 • 4:00:35pm

re: #150 darthstar

He’s just channeling his inner Sarah.

Not me, brother. I put that term in quotation marks to make sure it was clear I wasn’t the one who would use it.

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Stanley Sea Toujours Oct 15, 2015 • 4:03:47pm

re: #174 Jenner7

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Just started reading. (at Bernie so far)

WOW.

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b_sharp Oct 15, 2015 • 4:03:53pm

re: #191 HappyWarrior

The key thing about dealing with children on the soectrum is patience. Some things will come almost absurdly easy for this little girl while others absurdly difficult. I think that paradox confused my parents. I read at an early age while my social skills lagged.

Exactly. They aren’t stupid, they just view things slightly differently.

Physical coordination will be down, & ability to jump to abstract conclusions may be down. There can also be a problem with ADHD, anger & depression, all of which can be dealt with initially through drugs & permanently through learned coping mechanisms.

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Stanley Sea Toujours Oct 15, 2015 • 4:04:36pm

re: #174 Jenner7

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We talked to Sen. Sanders about making sure that people of color, who have been disproportionately criminalized in the informal marijuana economy, do not get locked out of the emerging legalized marijuana economy because of criminal records tied to possessing or distributing marijuana.
Sen. Sanders asked for additional clarity on some key points and noted that he had not heard this argument in this way before and would consider it.

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b_sharp Oct 15, 2015 • 4:04:52pm

re: #193 Timothy Watson

I am type 1 diabetic and my blood glucose has been a little unstable since I’ve started this diet (keep having to adjust my insulin levels) and I keep waking up with hypoglycemia (low blood sugar), which is a sure fire way to have an awful headache all day.

I suffer from hypoglycemia every time I eat sugar.

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Timothy Watson Oct 15, 2015 • 4:06:37pm

re: #198 b_sharp

I suffer from hypoglycemia every time I eat sugar.

Both my parents (particularly my mom) have to eat a lot of protein with their meals or else their blood sugar will crash in a couple hours.

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Stanley Sea Toujours Oct 15, 2015 • 4:07:09pm

re: #174 Jenner7

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Bernie still

We pushed Sen. Sanders to take a position on civil asset forfeiture given its economic implications for people of color, who are disproportionately likely to have their cash and property confiscated by police without due process.
He heard us and indicated that he would take action to end this practice. In the days since that meeting, he came out against civil asset forfeiture and his campaign added a section to their Racial Justice Platform focused on this issue.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Oct 15, 2015 • 4:07:16pm

“I love being ‘La Hillary,’” she told her enthusiastic supporters here, in reference to the affectionate nickname some of her backers use. “I want you to know I am not just La Hillary, I am also Tu Hillary” — your Hillary.

my spanish is not that good but im pretty sure that should be “su hillary” eh?

[edit] hmmm okay my spanish was worse than i thought…

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darthstar Oct 15, 2015 • 4:07:37pm

pic.twitter.com/YIjuqm570B

— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) October 15, 2015

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HappyWarrior Oct 15, 2015 • 4:07:44pm

re: #196 b_sharp

Exactly. They aren’t stupid, they just view things slightly differently.

Physical coordination will be down, & ability to jump to abstract conclusions may be down. There can also be a problem with ADHD, anger & depression, all of which can be dealt with initially through drugs & permanently through learned coping mechanisms.

All good points. I’m glad this girl is still young so adjustments will be easier.

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Skip Intro Oct 15, 2015 • 4:08:49pm

re: #193 Timothy Watson

I am type 1 diabetic and my blood glucose has been a little unstable since I’ve started this diet (keep having to adjust my insulin levels) and I keep waking up with hypoglycemia (low blood sugar), which is a sure fire way to have an awful headache all day.

I’m a type 2 and have been pretty stable for years, until today. No change in food, exercise, medication, etc, but my sugars are way above where they should be. It has me a little worried, actually.

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b_sharp Oct 15, 2015 • 4:10:05pm

re: #199 Timothy Watson

Both my parents (particularly my mom) have to eat a lot of protein with their meals or else their blood sugar will crash in a couple hours.

That’s how I am now. I used to eat a lot of breakfast cereal, but now I have to eat something with lots of protein & no sugar.

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Stanley Sea Toujours Oct 15, 2015 • 4:12:10pm

re: #174 Jenner7

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Hillary…nothing I’m going to quote. All good, but the Bernie q&a was not as policy wonky.

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b_sharp Oct 15, 2015 • 4:13:17pm

re: #203 HappyWarrior

All good points. I’m glad this girl is still young so adjustments will be easier.

My grandson had a lot of help from the education system which reduced the strain on my daughter, herself autistic. He’s now 19 and doing well. His training helps a great deal with his anger & ADHD. My second grandson is farther down the spectrum and I worry a lot about his future. He’s 3-1/2 yrs old and still not talking.

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Skip Intro Oct 15, 2015 • 4:14:32pm

Things are not going well for Jeb! these days. No more flying on private jets to 5 star hotels with a huge staff.

These days Jeb! is flying commercial (just think of the horror of that for a Bush), traveling by car and staying in cheaper hotels. How long before he cracks?

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Stanley Sea Toujours Oct 15, 2015 • 4:14:44pm

re: #174 Jenner7

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Conclusion
We need to continue pushing lawmakers to adopt platforms that reflect the understanding that the safety of communities is not predicated on the presence of police. Senator Sanders and Secretary Clinton were willing to be pushed and have begun incorporating feedback from the meetings into their platforms: Senator Sanders incorporated civil asset forfeiture and Secretary Clinton has begun to discuss a new “New Deal.”
Senator Sanders has an opportunity to continue to make his Racial Justice Platform more robust in ways that match the urgency of his spoken words. Secretary Clinton has the opportunity to release a platform focused on race that is informed by her career in politics and the vantage that this ostensibly offers.
We will continue to demand actionable plans from the candidates that directly address issues of race, equity, and criminal justice, and will hold them accountable once in office.
We can live in a world where the police don’t kill people.
We can live in a world where justice exists.
We will fight for this world.
We will win.

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The alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin Oct 15, 2015 • 4:15:27pm

re: #193 Timothy Watson

Ya got that right! Same boat(no new diet, but low blood sugars in the morning occasionally)… helluva headache that lasts all day.

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A Mom Anon Oct 15, 2015 • 4:16:11pm

re: #142 klys (maker of Silmarils)

You have been given great advice so far. Do a bit of research so you are a little bit informed too. You are a good friend, a lot of people abandon families dealing with ASDs. Having a sounding board means a lot.

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goddamnedfrank Oct 15, 2015 • 4:16:51pm

re: #209 Stanley Sea Toujours

My quote button isn’t working.

I sent it to the moon prison.

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b_sharp Oct 15, 2015 • 4:17:04pm

re: #211 A Mom Anon

You have been given great advice so far. Do a bit of research so you are a little bit informed too. You are a good friend, a lot of people abandon families dealing with ASDs. Having a sounding board means a lot.

Yes. This.

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Higgs Boson's Mate Oct 15, 2015 • 4:18:02pm

re: #211 A Mom Anon

You have been given great advice so far. Do a bit of research so you are a little bit informed too. You are a good friend, a lot of people abandon families dealing with ASDs. Having a sounding board means a lot.

A lot of families dealing with ASDs abandon each other.

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William Lewis Oct 15, 2015 • 4:22:25pm

re: #142 klys (maker of Silmarils)

So, there are enough folks here with experience that I feel I can ask: a friend just had her daughter officially diagnosed as on the spectrum today. What/how is the best way for me to support her? This is someone I’ve known for a while and lives cross country from me, but we remain friendly if not close and I want to be supportive on this.

Some good advice so far. And also remember, being on the spectrum is not the worst thing that a child can have. But there are a lot more resources and treatments available today than in the past for everything from ADHD through to the spectrum to things like what my son faces.

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A Mom Anon Oct 15, 2015 • 4:23:22pm

re: #214 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Sadly, I know. Sigh. But getting help early is huge and can make all the difference fornthe child. Just knowing people have your back is huge. I never had that and it’s pretty awful.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Oct 15, 2015 • 4:27:28pm

Thanks, all. (And I will keep watching for more advice!) I really appreciate it, because I want her to know that I care and am here (as much as here can be, when we have the majority of the country in between us).

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Pawn of the Oppressor Oct 15, 2015 • 4:29:13pm

re: #142 klys (maker of Silmarils)

So, there are enough folks here with experience that I feel I can ask: a friend just had her daughter officially diagnosed as on the spectrum today. What/how is the best way for me to support her? This is someone I’ve known for a while and lives cross country from me, but we remain friendly if not close and I want to be supportive on this.

I wish I had advice for friends of parents. I just realized that everything I was about to say, was directed entirely towards your friend, re: how they should approach their daughter.

I would guess that you should be ready for your friend to be confused and frustrated by strange, seemingly senseless, off-the-wall random situations and problems that she finds perplexing.

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Higgs Boson's Mate Oct 15, 2015 • 4:32:01pm

re: #216 A Mom Anon

Sadly, I know. Sigh. But getting help early is huge and can make all the difference fornthe child. Just knowing people have your back is huge. I never had that and it’s pretty awful.

We made do with no extended family and, thirty years ago, no actual diagnosis until he was around eight. Not recommended.

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Pawn of the Oppressor Oct 15, 2015 • 4:34:15pm

re: #196 b_sharp

Exactly. They aren’t stupid, they just view things slightly differently.

Physical coordination will be down, & ability to jump to abstract conclusions may be down. There can also be a problem with ADHD, anger & depression, all of which can be dealt with initially through drugs & permanently through learned coping mechanisms.

That’s a good way to put it. She is literally connected to the world in a different way, so any interaction should proceed with that in mind.

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goddamnedfrank Oct 15, 2015 • 4:35:11pm

Factoid: On October 28th Dennis Hastert is expect to plea guilty in a deal with federal prosecutors over his violation of banking rules to pay off a child abuse victim.

The plea will allow Mr. Hastert, who presided over the House from 1999 to 2007, to avoid a potentially long and embarrassing trial and to keep secret information that he has hidden for years, including the identity of the former student. It was that man who, around 2010, met with the former speaker several times to discuss “past misconduct” by Mr. Hastert while he was teaching in Yorkville, the indictment said. Mr. Hastert taught there from 1965 to 1981.

This means that when the next GOP debate occurs the governing principal of the Republican House of Representatives will be named after a child molester and convicted felon. Expect none of the candidates for President to be asked about this, even though the policy is one of the primary cause of the increased radicalization within their party.

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b_sharp Oct 15, 2015 • 4:36:32pm

Ground pepper on French Vanilla ice cream. Yay or nay?

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goddamnedfrank Oct 15, 2015 • 4:38:00pm

re: #222 b_sharp

Ground pepper on French Vanilla ice cream. Yay or nay?

Moon prison.

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b_sharp Oct 15, 2015 • 4:38:03pm

re: #219 Higgs Boson’s Mate

We made do with no extended family and, thirty years ago, no actual diagnosis until he was around eight. Not recommended.

My daughter wasn’t diagnosed until my grandson was. The conditions for autistic kids is much better now than when I was a kid and even when my daughter was a kid.

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Stanley Sea Toujours Oct 15, 2015 • 4:38:35pm

re: #212 goddamnedfrank

I sent it to the moon prison.

jerk

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Bubblehead II Oct 15, 2015 • 4:40:23pm

Lizards/Tweets. The Staycation is over. Work week resumes tomorrow. May you all have a good night.

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Stanley Sea Toujours Oct 15, 2015 • 4:41:29pm

re: #226 Bubblehead II

Lizards/Tweets. The Staycation is over. Work week resumes tomorrow. May you all have a good night.

Hope you are so relaxed.

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EmmaAnne Oct 15, 2015 • 4:42:32pm

re: #142 klys (maker of Silmarils)

So, there are enough folks here with experience that I feel I can ask: a friend just had her daughter officially diagnosed as on the spectrum today. What/how is the best way for me to support her? This is someone I’ve known for a while and lives cross country from me, but we remain friendly if not close and I want to be supportive on this.

Based on my experience: let her take the lead as to where the conversation goes. Ask questions. Say “that sounds tough.” But don’t try to decide for her how to feel (either by being super sympathetic OR by telling her to count her blessings). My friend went back and forth about how she felt and what they wanted to do, and I mostly admired how hard she worked and how much she cared, because what do I know?

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William Lewis Oct 15, 2015 • 4:42:49pm

re: #226 Bubblehead II

Lizards/Tweets. The Staycation is over. Work week resumes tomorrow. May you all have a good night.

Sounds like a good night for some Roxette … < whistles innocently >

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The Ghost of the Beardsman Oct 15, 2015 • 4:43:26pm

re: #222 b_sharp

Small amounts of pepper can be quite good in sweet stuff. I make black pepper strawberry jam.

With all of the “sweet” aromas and the sugar, you sense different aspects of the pepper’s flavor. In the case of the jam, its floral qualities are more prominent, while its heat and pine-y qualities are de-emphasized.

I say…try it.

Then try a teaspoon of extra virgin olive oil on a scoop of vanilla (with a little bit of crushed rock salt, if you’re up to working a mortar and pestle).

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Pawn of the Oppressor Oct 15, 2015 • 4:45:50pm

And I agree that intervention at an early age is huge, huge, huge.

If I’d have been told at age 7 or 8 that I had a specific condition that made social connection harder, my whole life would have been different. Don’t think that a kid that young can’t understand what to do… If I’d have known, I would have been able to help myself even that young.

And it’s very, very important to combat social loneliness too. Feeling almost physically disconnected from social interaction can lead to some very dark, unhappy places, so in a perfect world I’d find a way to help kids with ASD form friendships and find playmates and NOT be made to feel outcast or “weird” in a bad way.

Back in the 80’s, if you were ASD, nobody knew it. You might have older teachers who saw enough to put you in special advanced classes for what you were good at, and treat you with kindness, but the rank-and-file kids would usually brand and shun you.

Basically if autistic issues were treated like when a kid has a broken arm, instead of like they have a broken soul, things would be easier for everyone: Be open about the injury, show off the cast, talk about it, make sure everybody understands the treatment plan, be light-hearted, and don’t shut everything inside.

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ObserverArt Oct 15, 2015 • 4:49:10pm

Klys,

I’m a little late to the answer about your friend with the young daughter recently diagnosed with autism.

I have good friends that have a child that was fairly severe on the scale. He was born back in the early 90s when there was a lot less awareness than today. His father (my best friend from high school…now passed) was fortunate to have worked in the mental health field and had worked with some of the first actual named autistic cases here in Ohio in the late 70s.

His whole way of dealing with it was to treat his son as normal and when the issues arose to deal with it, like when he would violently act out. They would huddle with him and hold him until he settled down. As he grew they worked with him as it was just another human issue to deal with, like having any other type of child illness. When he was of an age to start to really understand (10 or so) they actually told him he was autistic and that what he was going through was ‘normal’ and in the long run he would be fine. Eventually he was able to know when he was beginning to feel autistic and an episode was coming and he would tell his parents that he ‘didn’t feel well’ and they would do something with him to calm him down, like draw or play music, work on his model railroad, etc.

My friend was of the mind that he could teach the boy to be normal as his thinking was always you can work around the issues and teach him to accept it, that eventually he would be fine. His thinking was always a brain can be taught to work through different channels…more or less find new paths for proper thinking and behavior. He treated it as a learning deficiency instead of a mental problem.

Today, the son is a fine young man that is extremely independent, very artistic and able to deal on his own. Now that his father has died, the son even stated the he had to carry on as his fathers replacement in the family…the man of the house.

My friend ended up working with local doctors at Ohio State and Nationwide Children’s as an example of how to parent and autistic child. The doctors were amazed how well my friend and his wife did with their son by just sticking to their guns and teaching him slowly and patiently, something they really couldn’t get in our local schools at the time.

So, basically the bottom line is…do not panic. He always felt the worst thing was for the parents to freak out. That just helps the autistic child to freak out too. It was tough work, but they soldiered on like it was no big thing, as that was what they wanted their son to realize. He was different, but to celebrate that difference and work with it. No big thing.

Keep in mind, this was a severe case and they got through it and now the son actually calls himself autistic to anyone that wonders why he sometimes acts the way he does, like its no big thing and he can explain it to outsiders. It totally blows people away. The son actually got up in front of a huge audience at an OSU fund raiser and gave a speech that explained his background and how his parents helped him work through it by loving him and always working with him, even in the toughest of episodes. He had the audience in tears. He got a standing ovation for it. His parents beamed!

I don’t know if this helps, it is one case that I was close to and one that I have some knowledge of. I guess the best thing to do is say to your friends they have a great kid and they will be fine. Education of autistic children has come a long way in the 2000s. Now our local schools have specialists in the school that work with the kids that are kept in their classroom with the other kids, and when needed come in and assist. They have learned that they are not “dumb” just different. Eventually the kid became loved by his classmates. In a way they protected him and stood up for him. everyone leaned a big lesson.

Do not show concern, act like they and their child will be fine. No need to scare the parents, they may already be scared, Be calming. It works. Good luck.

And with that off to a friend’s to catch some of this evening sporting events.

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b_sharp Oct 15, 2015 • 4:52:55pm

re: #231 Pawn of the Oppressor

And I agree that intervention at an early age is huge, huge, huge.

If I’d have been told at age 7 or 8 that I had a specific condition that made social connection harder, my whole life would have been different. Don’t think that a kid that young can’t understand what to do… If I’d have known, I would have been able to help myself even that young.

And it’s very, very important to combat social loneliness too. Feeling almost physically disconnected from social interaction can lead to some very dark, unhappy places, so in a perfect world I’d find a way to help kids with ASD form friendships and find playmates and NOT be made to feel outcast or “weird” in a bad way.

Back in the 80’s, if you were ASD, nobody knew it. You might have older teachers who saw enough to put you in special advanced classes for what you were good at, and treat you with kindness, but the rank-and-file kids would usually brand and shun you.

Basically if autistic issues were treated like when a kid has a broken arm, instead of like they have a broken soul, things would be easier for everyone: Be open about the injury, show off the cast, talk about it, make sure everybody understands the treatment plan, be light-hearted, and don’t shut everything inside.

I agree. Had I known when I was young, I wouldn’t have imagined all the crap I did about myself to explain why everyone hated me.

This was in the ’60s so I’m not even sure how aware the education system or doctors were about autism.

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De Kolta Chair Oct 15, 2015 • 4:54:54pm

Reince Priebus’ press secretary responds:

I Know Nothing

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b_sharp Oct 15, 2015 • 4:54:59pm

re: #232 ObserverArt

Klys,

I’m a little late to the answer about your friend with the young daughter recently diagnosed with autism.

I have good friends that have a child that was fairly severe on the scale. He was born back in the early 90s when there was a lot less awareness than today. His father (my best friend from high school…now passed) was fortunate to have worked in the mental health field and had worked with some of the first actual named autistic cases here in Ohio in the late 70s.

His whole way of dealing with it was to treat his son as normal and when the issues arose to deal with it, like when he would violently act out. They would huddle with him and hold him until he settled down. As he grew they worked with him as it was just another human issue to deal with, like having any other type of child illness. When he was of an age to start to really understand (10 or so) they actually told him he was autistic and that what he was going through was ‘normal’ and in the long run he would be fine. Eventually he was able to know when he was beginning to feel autistic and an episode was coming and he would tell his parents that he ‘didn’t feel well’ and they would do something with him to calm him down, like draw or play music, work on his model railroad, etc.

My friend was of the mind that he could teach the boy to be normal as his thinking was always you can work around the issues and teach him to accept it, that eventually he would be fine. His thinking was always a brain can be taught to work through different channels…more or less find new paths for proper thinking and behavior. He treated it as a learning deficiency instead of a mental problem.

Today, the son is a fine young man that is extremely independent, very artistic and able to deal on his own. Now that his father has died, the son even stated the he had to carry on as his fathers replacement in the family…the man of the house.

My friend ended up working with local doctors at Ohio State and Nationwide Children’s as an example of how to parent and autistic child. The doctors were amazed how well my friend and his wife did with their son by just sticking to their guns and teaching him slowly and patiently, something they really couldn’t get in our local schools at the time.

So, basically the bottom line is…do not panic. He always felt the worst thing was for the parents to freak out. That just helps the autistic child to freak out too. It was tough work, but they soldiered on like it was no big thing, as that was what they wanted their son to realize. He was different, but to celebrate that difference and work with it. No big thing.

Keep in mind, this was a severe case and they got through it and now the son actually calls himself autistic to anyone that wonders why he sometimes acts the way he does, like its no big thing and he can explain it to outsiders. It totally blows people away. The son actually got up in front of a huge audience at an OSU fund raiser and gave a speech that explained his background and how his parents helped him work through it by loving him and always working with him, even in the toughest of episodes. He had the audience in tears. He got a standing ovation for it. His parents beamed!

I don’t know if this helps, it is one case that I was close to and one that I have some knowledge of. I guess the best thing to do is say to your friends they have a great kid and they will be fine. Education of autistic children has come a long way in the 2000s. Now our local schools have specialists in the school that work with the kids that are kept in their classroom with the other kids, and when needed come in and assist. They have learned that they are not “dumb” just different. Eventually the kid became loved by his classmates. In a way they protected him and stood up for him. everyone leaned a big lesson.

Do not show concern, act like they and their child will be fine. No need to scare the parents, they may already be scared, Be calming. It works. Good luck.

And with that off to a friend’s to catch some of this evening sporting events.

This needs to be updinged many times.

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goddamnedfrank Oct 15, 2015 • 4:57:22pm

Peak hipster has been attained.

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It's on his hat! Oct 15, 2015 • 4:58:42pm

re: #235 b_sharp

This needs to be updinged many times.

This should get printed as an editorial somewhere.

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Higgs Boson's Mate Oct 15, 2015 • 4:59:40pm

re: #236 goddamnedfrank

Those guys are real Molehillmen.

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The Ghost of the Beardsman Oct 15, 2015 • 5:00:41pm

re: #236 goddamnedfrank

I realize it’s indicative of my cultural norms, but I see beards like that and think “mullah.”

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CuriousLurker Oct 15, 2015 • 5:01:23pm

Snopes wins the internet for today:

Did a suppressed 2007 Harvard study prove more guns leads to less crime? http://t.co/MupMzqiP2X pic.twitter.com/6ESdLbAWQa

— snopes.com (@snopes) October 15, 2015

It’s not gonna get any better than that, so I’m gonna go read a book.

Later, lizards. ;-)

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Higgs Boson's Mate Oct 15, 2015 • 5:04:36pm

With apologies to the Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band:
I’m the urban beardman, baby; I’ve got speed
I’ve got everything I need
I’m the urban beardman, baby; I can fly
I’m a supersonic guy
I don’t need pleasure
I don’t feel pain
If you were to knock me down I’d just get up again
I’m the urban beardman, baby; I’m makin’ out
I’m all about
I wake up every morning with a smile upon my face
My natural exuberance spills out all over the place
I’m the urban beardman, I’m intelligent and clean
Know what I mean?
I’m the urban beardman, as a lover second to none
It’s a lot of fun
I never let my friends down
I’ve never made a boob
I’m a glossy magazine, an advert in the tube
I’m the urban beardman, baby; here comes the twist—
I don’t exist

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goddamnedfrank Oct 15, 2015 • 5:07:59pm

I just thought the whole idea behind growing a beard was NOT being vain and caring so much about one’s appearance. So you could just waste less time shaving and spend more time masturbating.

I was so wrong.

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Barefoot Grin Oct 15, 2015 • 5:14:07pm

re: #191 HappyWarrior

The key thing about dealing with children on the soectrum is patience. Some things will come almost absurdly easy for this little girl while others absurdly difficult. I think that paradox confused my parents. I read at an early age while my social skills lagged.

I have no real experience outside of co-coaching two kids on my son’s recreation-league soccer team who I learned from their parents (I didn’t want to assume) are on the spectrum. (Actually, the other coach’s son may have been, but he never said anything.) Anyway, from my observation, I understand what you are saying. Oftentimes in games, incredible focus, maybe even excessive; in practice sometimes frustration with routine or with other kids. What was great about co-coaching was that I could take one of the little guys off to work on something individually while the other coach worked with everyone else. It was never a case of less skilled vs. more skilled. It was just how they handled the experience. We didn’t win a lot of games, but we had a great team.

ETA: I’m glad this won’t be read, because now I remember that I’m lying. I’ve also had several students on the spectrum. I know this because they have filled out the paperwork to let me know. The challenge in most cases has been to keep them engaged in topics that don’t interest them. All of them have told me this to my face (though I can see it from my vantage point, too). My courses inevitably contain a certain amount of military history, and that seems to have drawn them in. But when I turn to cultural history—bam! So, we have to have individual meetings.

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Blind Frog Belly White Oct 15, 2015 • 5:26:57pm

re: #142 klys (maker of Silmarils)

So, there are enough folks here with experience that I feel I can ask: a friend just had her daughter officially diagnosed as on the spectrum today. What/how is the best way for me to support her? This is someone I’ve known for a while and lives cross country from me, but we remain friendly if not close and I want to be supportive on this.

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Eric The Fruit Bat Oct 15, 2015 • 6:26:29pm

re: #221 goddamnedfrank

He’ll also get hit on the 18 USC 1001 charge along with the structuring charges.

Remember, folks: whenever any US agent flashes a badge at you and wants to ask you ‘a few questions’ you say ‘Not without my attorney present’. Even the most innocuous question answered incorrectly can and will be used against you.

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