Trump Horror, Day 28: Labels the Press “The Enemy of the American People”

And commits a possible violation of the Presidential Records Act
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Donald Trump’s paranoia is increasing to dangerous levels, as more and more trash fires erupt in his administration. And in time-honored right wing demagogue fashion, he’s demonizing the press and the media.

Today he took his unsecure Android phone again, in the middle of the afternoon, and posted two tweets in succession. The first one was quickly deleted, and people who noticed thought it might be because he recognized it was over the line even for him. A screenshot:

But then a few minutes later he reposted the same tweet — but added ABC and CBS to his enemies list. So he didn’t delete it because it was over the line, but because it wasn’t far enough over the line.

This is incredibly reckless and dangerous rhetoric. The president of the US is openly inciting hatred and possible violence against media companies, and delegitimizing the First Amendment of the US Constitution.

And there’s more; deleting that first tweet may very well have been a violation of the Presidential Records Act.

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315 comments

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Birth Control Works  Feb 17, 2017 • 2:34:54pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 17, 2017 • 2:36:16pm

Whoa - a retweet by Peter Fonda.

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jaunte  Feb 17, 2017 • 2:37:27pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 17, 2017 • 2:38:28pm

We are getting whipped up into a mentality that since he can do no wrong, the only wrongdoers are the ones who dare to point out what he has actually done rather than simply repeat his version of things..

and there is a good chance he can get away it, as with his claim of getting away with “shooting someone down on Fifth Avenue”

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2017 • 2:39:55pm
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jaunte  Feb 17, 2017 • 2:39:57pm
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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 2:41:57pm

re: #6 jaunte

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451_Montag  Feb 17, 2017 • 2:42:23pm

People are going to get killed with statements like this.

The press are being labelled as the new abortion clinics.

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Kragar  Feb 17, 2017 • 2:43:44pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2017 • 2:44:09pm
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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2017 • 2:44:54pm

He’s a classic abuser so if something big doesn’t drop he might convene some secret meetings with the press to plead about how he had to hit them and he’s really a great guy that loves them and deep down they love him too. Ugggh

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freetoken  Feb 17, 2017 • 2:47:00pm

re: #9 Kragar

I still get to it when I click a link to the second one.

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austin_blue  Feb 17, 2017 • 2:47:39pm

re: #11 JordanRules

He’s a classic abuser so if something big doesn’t drop he might convene some secret meetings with the press to plead about how he had to hit them and he’s really a great guy that loves them and deep down they love him too. Ugggh

Is it wrong for me to question his mental health?

No, no it isn’t.

It’s necessary and patriotic for me to do so. An attack on the fifth estate is an attack on the American people- no more no less.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2017 • 2:47:41pm

re: #9 Kragar

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It’s still up for me.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2017 • 2:47:47pm
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gocart mozart  Feb 17, 2017 • 2:48:59pm
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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2017 • 2:49:46pm

re: #13 austin_blue

Yup. I think it’s dangerous not to question it.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 17, 2017 • 2:49:52pm

re: #9 Kragar

Still up there from what I see.

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451_Montag  Feb 17, 2017 • 2:49:54pm

re: #15 Backwoods_Sleuth

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They are alternative supporters, not protestors.

He is such a repugnant anal cyst….. Alt-Complement

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Birth Control Works  Feb 17, 2017 • 2:51:49pm
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Kragar  Feb 17, 2017 • 2:52:44pm

re: #18 Scottish Dragon

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 17, 2017 • 2:53:04pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2017 • 2:53:34pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2017 • 2:54:27pm

LOL, no.
He’s only pro-Trump.

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EPR-radar  Feb 17, 2017 • 2:55:21pm

POTUS* von Clownstick is now a stochastic terrorist.

There is only one thing ‘enemy’ means in RWNJ bizarro world, and that is ‘target to eliminate on sight.’

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Birth Control Works  Feb 17, 2017 • 2:56:15pm

I need an espresso maker.

Wasn’t there a discussion on this the other day. Was there a preferred maker? cheap?
no frother - - -

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jaunte  Feb 17, 2017 • 2:56:26pm

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

Stealing that.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 17, 2017 • 2:57:49pm

re: #7 MsJ

I think I like this idea.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 17, 2017 • 2:58:37pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 17, 2017 • 2:59:03pm

I wish just ONCE a fan of Donald Trump would tweet at me who wasn’t a complete fucking hateful nincompoop. Seriously. They’re ALL like this.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2017 • 2:59:11pm

re: #21 Kragar

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Either he blocked you or you checked the box to blocked him when you reported the tweet.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2017 • 2:59:28pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 17, 2017 • 2:59:57pm

re: #31 goddamnedfrank

Either he blocked you or you checked the box to blocked him when you reported the tweet.

I think if you report a tweet you don’t see it any more, even if you don’t block the person.

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Skip Intro  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:00:10pm

re: #6 jaunte

Trump will go and spend all his time attacking the press, who will just sit there and suck it up. Later Meet the Chuck will have an all Republican panel to explain why only Fox is real news. Chuck will say “that’s very thought provoking. Thank you.”

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Myron Falwell  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:00:47pm

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

**world’s smallest violin playing**

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freetoken  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:00:55pm

… heard some thunder in the distance…. though the radar shows the closest rain still about 25 miles away… but I think the clouds are thickening quickly.

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Kragar  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:01:18pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

That must be it, because I sure as hell reported that crazy shit

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:01:20pm
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:01:44pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

I think if you report a tweet you don’t see it any more, even if you don’t block the person.

I can still see it, but I filed my report using the longer Report Abusive User form.

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EPR-radar  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:02:17pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

I wish just ONCE a fan of Donald Trump would tweet at me who wasn’t a complete fucking hateful nincompoop. Seriously. They’re ALL like this.

By the time someone is an actual fan of the Orange Menace, it is certain that all higher brain functions are gone.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:02:26pm
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:03:31pm

re: #39 goddamnedfrank

P.S. That’s a good link to bookmark. Reporting via that form gives you an opportunity to file a MUCH more detailed report and provide an cogent argument for WHY you think they need to take action.

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:04:03pm

This is pretty good.

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Kragar  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:04:25pm
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Belafon  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:04:30pm

re: #41 Birth Control Works

When you swear at Trump, you should use KFC, not JFC.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:04:30pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

I wish just ONCE a fan of Donald Trump would tweet at me who wasn’t a complete fucking hateful nincompoop. Seriously. They’re ALL like this.

You discovered that about 15%…give or take…of the American public is basically like the authoritarian sadistic asshole juror from 12 Angry Men and another 25 percent are okay with the sadistic asshole being in charge.. That is a lot of people.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:04:38pm

re: #36 freetoken

… heard some thunder in the distance…. though the radar shows the closest rain still about 25 miles away… but I think the clouds are thickening quickly.

I’m heading out for provisions. Before it hits I pray. (north of you so will get it first I believe)

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:05:02pm

re: #41 Birth Control Works

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Wut?????????

Seriously. WTF?

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BlueGrl21  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:05:19pm

This is what people like Trump do.

They control people via information. Choosing what to say, lying to multiple people about the same events to pit them against each other. Keeping people isolated from truth.

So when he can’t use that tool to manipulate BECAUSE the “truth is out there,” he’s blind and deaf and dumb. Game over. He’s attacking the people that are HIS biggest threat…the press and the intelligence community.

Telling someone what is true after they’ve been lied to, exposing that truth, is one of the most powerful weapons there is. Maybe the most powerful.

I may have used the tactic of exposing truth to cause a person or two at work with Trump’s proclivities to shoot themselves down. Forced to quit or fired after years of lying. I get on a new team, spot the lies, tell everyone the same truth, boom. Then I get turned on for telling the truth….and I wait. They eventually cross the line going after me and they are gone right after.

Let’s all hope Trump follows the pattern.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:05:51pm

re: #36 freetoken

… heard some thunder in the distance…. though the radar shows the closest rain still about 25 miles away… but I think the clouds are thickening quickly.

It’s drizzling now. Damn it. Probably will be pouring when I unload.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:06:14pm

re: #45 Belafon

When you swear at Trump, you should use KFC, not JFC.

i dont understand either

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:06:44pm

re: #26 Birth Control Works

I need an espresso maker.

Wasn’t there a discussion on this the other day. Was there a preferred maker? cheap?
no frother - - -

There are stovetop espresso makers for like $15 bucks.

If you want a machine - with pods - is go with Nespresso - about $80 on Amazon. There are also machines that use loose espresso but I’m not familiar enough to recommend.

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Kragar  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:07:15pm

re: #47 Stanley Sea

I feel bad for my kid today. They had a school orchestra trip to Disneyland today. They spent the morning in the Disney orchestra recording studio, then got to go to the park for the rest of the day. My daughter called and says its coming down pretty hard up there right now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:07:20pm
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Scottish Dragon  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:07:36pm

re: #38 Backwoods_Sleuth

Freedmen retweeted this:

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Birth Control Works  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:07:41pm

re: #52 MsJ

There are stovetop espresso makers for like $15 bucks.

If you want a machine - with pods - is go with Nespresso - about $80 on Amazon. There are also machines that use loose espresso but I’m not familiar enough to recommend.

no pods, no keurig type. I saw a Mr. Coffee and wondered if it was worth it.

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:07:46pm

re: #43 MsJ

My favorite from him…

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Kragar  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:08:04pm
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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:08:13pm

re: #31 goddamnedfrank

Either he blocked you or you checked the box to blocked him when you reported the tweet.

I don’t see it either. I reported him but neither muted or blocked and I can see all his other tweets.

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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:10:09pm

I’m off for a nap. Writing letters to my local paper takes a lot out of you.

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freetoken  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:10:42pm

Glad I went to the store today much earlier than I usually do… it’s about to get pretty wet here.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:11:07pm

re: #59 MsJ

I don’t see it either. I reported him but neither muted or blocked and I can see all his other tweets.

In the future you might want to use the long form link in my re: #39. Not only will you still be able to see the reported tweet afterwards but you’ll be able to describe the problem and add up to 5 other tweets to demonstrate a pattern of abuse.

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Kragar  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:12:20pm

re: #61 freetoken

We made a big pot of beef and barley soup last night. Got about half of it left for over the weekend, but tonight, I’m making skirt steaks in bagna cauda pan sauce

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Myron Falwell  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:13:30pm

re: #51 Birth Control Works

i dont understand either

JFC — Jesus Fucking Christ.

Trump has been photographed with his paws in a big bucket of Kentucky Fried Chicken — KFC.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:13:51pm
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Mattand  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:15:11pm

re: #43 MsJ

This is pretty good.

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I thought it was pretty good until Long started making it clear that he considers liberals as something he wipes off of his shoe.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:17:56pm
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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:18:32pm

re: #56 Birth Control Works

no pods, no keurig type. I saw a Mr. Coffee and wondered if it was worth it.

I can’t say as I’ve never used that brand for espresso. But I have used those stovetop makers and they make really good espresso.

I have a Tassimo (which would have to be pried from my cold dead hands).

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Charles Johnson  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:19:10pm
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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:19:24pm

re: #62 goddamnedfrank

In the future you might want to use the long form link in my . Not only will you still be able to see the reported tweet afterwards but you’ll be able to describe the problem and add up to 5 other tweets to demonstrate a pattern of abuse.

I put it on my home screen. Much appreciated.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:19:32pm

re: #64 Myron Falwell

JFC — Jesus Fucking Christ.

Trump has been photographed with his paws in a big bucket of Kentucky Fried Chicken — KFC.

Thanks. I missed the reply.

In Trump’s case, the F could retain the same meaning.

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:19:42pm

re: #66 Mattand

Yikes! I only saw some both sides stunts when I saw some of his stuff retweeted, but yeah definitely not cool if he went there.

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:21:13pm

re: #66 Mattand

I thought it was pretty good until he started making it clear that he considers liberals as something he wipes off of his shoe.

I don’t mind people who don’t like libs. I’m ok with normal political disagreements. If he’s not a fucking lunatic wingnut, I’m like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:21:40pm

re: #69 Charles Johnson

Christ, it’s that asshole Rush again.

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:22:29pm

re: #69 Charles Johnson

Born on and tweeting from 3rd base and thinks he hit a triple.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:22:37pm

re: #66 Mattand

I thought it was pretty good until Long started making it clear that he considers liberals as something he wipes off of his shoe.

A Republican that won’t visit Trump? That’s all that matters to me. I don’t really personally care that he isn’t fond of liberals. I don’t expect any of them, Navarro, McMullen, etc., to think liberals are awesome.

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Kragar  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:22:51pm
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Anymouse  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:23:17pm

re: #74 Myron Falwell

Christ, it’s that asshole Rush again.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:23:30pm

re: #69 Charles Johnson

You see Rush on so many channels. He’s such the media personality.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:23:40pm

Maybe this declaration will send Henrik Ibsen flying off the shelves. Nothing like a wannabe dictator to bring cautionary dystopian tales back into vogue.

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lawhawk  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:24:23pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Easy there rider. But yeah, whoa. Very cool.

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lawhawk  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:24:57pm

re: #67 goddamnedfrank

+1 for Gross Pointe Blank reference.

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:25:20pm

re: #76 Belafon

He’s said some really insightful stuff about his support for Kaepernick as well.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:25:29pm

re: #75 JordanRules

Born on and tweeting from 3rd base and thinks he hit a triple.

It’s more like he was born on 3rd but thinks he hit a home run, and is complaining that people won’t record the score.

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Kragar  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:26:21pm
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Kragar  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:28:26pm
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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:31:02pm
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jaunte  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:31:09pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:31:16pm
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InfidelOfFreedom  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:32:32pm

This dopey sycophant on CNN whistling past our graves calling Trump’s treason a different “style.” It’s a good thing I’m too poor to buy a new phone or this thing would be through the wall.

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unproven innocence  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:32:50pm
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Mattand  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:33:13pm

re: #72 JordanRules

re: #73 MsJ

re: #76 Belafon

Yeah, I’m fine with someone I’m assuming to be conservative sticking it to Orange Julius Ceaser.

What I’m not cool with is this guy making it clear that “libs”, as he so cleverly put it, are at best the ol’ flip side of the coin.

You think this guy is going to metaphorically “reach across the aisle” to someone who is liberal in order to fight Trump? I think that’s delusional.

And, yeah, I’ve fucking had it up to here with people who think liberals aren’t true Americans. ‘Cause when we get called “libs” in the condescending manner this guy did, I’d bet my drawing hand that’s what Long thinks.

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:33:16pm

Sooooo easy to comment. Must. Not. Take. Easy. Shot.

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jaunte  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:34:25pm

re: #90 InfidelOfFreedom

This dopey sycophant on CNN whistling past our graves calling Trump’s treason a different “style.” It’s a good thing I’m too poor to buy a new phone or this thing would be through the wall.

New product idea: solid rubber “throwing phones.”

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InfidelOfFreedom  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:34:46pm

re: #88 jaunte

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I liked Harry better when the most embarrassing thing about him was shoving zucchini down his trousers.

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:36:32pm

re: #92 Mattand

I feel you. And I share your sentiments. I know nothing of this guy to like or dislike him.

That said, it’s more powerful that a righty is blowing him off, IMHO. So whether he’s an asshole or not, I’m still willing to throw down a Kudo.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:37:46pm

re: #77 Kragar

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Sitting in the Oval listening to Limbaugh?

Fuck, we’re doomed.

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:38:14pm

re: #92 Mattand

On this particular issue, I think it’s good to have a white player stand with his black teammates and not go visit that man.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:38:39pm
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majii  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:39:07pm

re: #23 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Boeing SC workers voting down union tells us they don’t need another $1600/mnth or $19,200/yr in wages which WA unionized workers earn”

They’re some of the dumbest mfkers on the planet. My youngest brother lives in Washington State and works for Boeing as an electrician. He makes more money than workers at the SC plant because the plant is unionized. I recall that when Sanford brokered the deal for the SC plant, he and his RW supporters in the state legislature gave Boeing all kinds of goodies and was sure to tell the company that SC was a right-to-work state. I used to read The State, SC’s largest newspaper, and I remember well how many were commenting on the site about workers getting paid $10.00 was a yuuge deal. Dummies. It pains me to see some Americans hurt themselves to appease the wealthy. No way would Boeing executives work for $10.00 an hour.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:39:17pm

re: #94 jaunte

New product idea: solid rubber “throwing phones.”

I’d buy one!

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Timothy Watson  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:39:34pm

One day I will spell “baccalaureate” correctly without spellcheck or Google.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:41:08pm

re: #15 Backwoods_Sleuth

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These protest rallies will keep giving me hope.

Trump would like to be an authoritarian, but I think it’s because he thinks that he should be allowed to run the country like a business. But our country cannot be run that way.

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BlueGrl21  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:41:43pm

re: #93 MsJ

Sooooo easy to comment. Must. Not. Take. Easy. Shot.

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Surely, as Lizardim, we can all agree to keep our scaly representatives sheltered from any comparisons to Trump’s tiny, potentially scaly digits.

Wouldn’t want to hurt the children’s self esteem like that.

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:42:07pm
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Belafon  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:42:10pm

re: #102 Timothy Watson

One day I will spell “baccalaureate” correctly without spellcheck or Google.

Why?

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EPR-radar  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:42:22pm

re: #97 Timothy Watson

Sitting in the Oval listening to Limbaugh?

Fuck, we’re doomed.

This is just appearances. As always, the real issue is the Republican party and its empire of lies and hate (Fox News, RW talk radio).

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:42:58pm
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Mattand  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:43:21pm

re: #96 MsJ

I feel you. And I share your sentiments. I know nothing of this guy to like or dislike him.

That said, it’s more powerful that a righty is blowing him off, IMHO. So whether he’s an asshole or not, I’m still willing to throw down a Kudo.

I get it. I’m a bit angry about the not-so-subltle “It’s okay to kill a reporter” call to arms just now.

That fucking “Come Boost My Self-Esteem” putsch Trump is holding tonight is going to be beyond shit show. I wouldn’t be surprised if security/law enforcement/Secret Service steps aside and lets a journalist get murdered.

Ever since that Navy Humvee went tooling around KY with a Trump flag, I’m getting really worried that the military and law enforcement are just waiting for the chance to start hurting people they don’t like; aka, people who aren’t Trump supporters.

Or white.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:45:43pm

re: #109 Mattand

This was put up in response to the possibility that Trump was going to try to activate Nation Guards to help round up immigrants:

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wrenchwench  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:46:29pm

I met my new landlord today. He’s owned the building for almost two weeks. I met his dad the day it sold, he actually took care of the transaction. The dad looked at the building when it sold last time, a few years ago, and knows my old landlord (everybody does). His mom is the nurse who supervised my case for my health ins. co., and after she had done that for a year, her son was hit while driving and got a TBI (and other injuries) so she had new insight to my situation. When she was taken off my case, she asked permission to stay in touch socially, which I gave, of course. Now that son is my landlord. He bought the bldg. with ins. settlement proceeds. He just graduated from high school, and the folks are setting him up in the landlord business to be self-sufficient. He worked on the roof today, so it’s good to see him involved to that extent (I don’t go up there anymore). I think my old landlord decided he couldn’t be that involved after he dug up the sewer line himself.

Small town. Not as small as Anymouse’s, but small enough. I also met the guy who had his business at the other end of the block when I opened mine. I lost the sale, though, because I talked him into trying the clipless pedals that came on his bike.

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Mattand  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:47:19pm

I also get a little despondent when I think about how the GOP is just… well, it’s hard to put it in non-Godwin’s Law terms.

I read that piece about Mitch McConnell in Politico this afternoon. That whole fucking party is just willing to tear this country to shreds as long as they’re running it.

Fucking monsters.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:47:33pm

re: #105 MsJ

I’m curious how Obama is involved if he’s on vacation.

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EPR-radar  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:47:57pm

re: #103 Belafon

These protest rallies will keep giving me hope.

Trump would like to be an authoritarian, but I think it’s because he thinks that he should be allowed to run the country like a business. But our country cannot be run that way.

Republicans have no problem at all with running the US as if it were a 3rd world kleptocracy under a dictator, as long as that continues to poll well with the deplorables of their base.

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plansbandc  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:49:14pm

re: #78 Anymouse

This one will never get old. So much love.

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:49:15pm

This made me LOL.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:49:35pm

re: #109 Mattand

I get it. I’m a bit angry about the not-so-subltle “It’s okay to kill a reporter” call to arms just now.

That fucking “Come Boost My Self-Esteem” putsch Trump is holding tonight is going to be beyond shit show. I wouldn’t be surprised if security/law enforcement/Secret Service steps aside and lets a journalist get murdered.

Ever since that Navy Humvee went tooling around KY with a Trump flag, I’m getting really worried that the military and law enforcement are just waiting for the chance to start hurting people they don’t like; aka, people who aren’t Trump supporters.

Or white.

LE especially. A lot of kids just in the military are not political. Cops are real fucking political, and they tend heavy towards not just conservative but reactionary. I don’t go on the cop blog boards much now, but what I saw over the years was fucking terrifying.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:49:36pm

re: #114 EPR-radar

Republicans have no problem at all with running the US as if it were a 3rd world kleptocracy under a dictator, as long as that continues to poll well with the deplorables of their base.

As long as they keep getting elected saying it.

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:50:06pm

re: #112 Mattand

I totally feel you. Godwin doesn’t apply anymore AFAIK. You don’t have to go there but I have no problem with those who do.

This whole thing is beyond comprehension sometimes. Try to do something you enjoy tonight.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:50:40pm

re: #116 MsJ

This made me LOL.

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Goddam Time Travelers again, screwing with the timeline!

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jaunte  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:51:01pm

I hate Indiana nazis.
journalgazette.net

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:51:31pm

re: #110 Belafon

This was put up in response to the possibility that Trump was going to try to activate Nation Guards to help round up immigrants:

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I’ve seen Shaun’s tweet in my TL several times today and that “courtmarshaled” drives me crazy.

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Mattand  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:51:42pm

re: #116 MsJ

This made me LOL.

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Your fellow Americans, kids. I’d make a joke about the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor to the Stephen Peters dope, but it’d probably go right over his head.

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:52:06pm

re: #113 Belafon

I’m curious how Obama is involved if he’s on vacation.

A. It’s Obama’s fault.
B. No? See A.

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jaunte  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:52:39pm
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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:52:48pm

re: #114 EPR-radar

Republicans have no problem at all with running the US as if it were a 3rd world kleptocracy under a dictator, as long as that continues to poll well with the deplorables of their base.

And they can completely dismantle everything since The New Deal.

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EPR-radar  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:53:08pm

re: #112 Mattand

I also get a little despondent when I think about how the GOP is just… well, it’s hard to put it in non-Godwin’s Law terms.

I read that piece about Mitch McConnell in Politico this afternoon. That whole fucking party is just willing to tear this country to pieces as long as they’re running it.

Fucking monsters.

It is completely impossible for me to express myself properly and completely on the subject of Republicans here without getting a well-deserved banning from our host.

So I just nibble about the edges from time to time.

McConnell in particular should spend eternity hip-deep in molten lead for his hypocrisy about obstruction in the Senate. This man and his odious party single-handedly set all the records for the most obstructionist Senate ever, and now this fucking turtle has the unmitigated gall to complain when the Democrats find the will to pay back a small fraction of that nonsense in kind.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:53:10pm

re: #121 jaunte

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I hate Indiana nazis.
journalgazette.net

So, the obvious question is whether Congresskid Banks believes that other nations should have the same authority to review the social media accounts of American citizens applying for visas to enter their territory?

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Timothy Watson  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:53:49pm

re: #117 Scottish Dragon

LE especially. A lot of kids just in the military are not political. Cops are real fucking political, and they tend heavy towards not just conservative but reactionary. I don’t go on the cop blog boards much now, but what I saw over the years was fucking terrifying.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:53:51pm

re: #116 MsJ

This made me LOL.

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:54:53pm

re: #117 Scottish Dragon

LE especially. A lot of kids just in the military are not political. Cops are real fucking political, and they tend heavy towards not just conservative but reactionary. I don’t go on the cop blog boards much now, but what I saw over the years was fucking terrifying.

That website you turned me on to, until they closed it to non-cop prying eyes, was fucking terrifying. Every last one of those fuckers needed to not be cops. Period.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:56:29pm

Been just thinking of another parallel with Lenin’s revolution… the fact that the very term “Bolshevik” itself was a lie since it translates to “majority,” when Lenin represented a radical minority of Russian communist thought. Likewise, they labeled their opponents Mensheviks, (minority) of the population.

Lenin showed you don’t need to be an actual majority, you just have to have the majority of the power, by force and intimidation if necessary. No wonder Bannon sees Lenin’s blueprint as his own.

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freetoken  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:56:33pm

I do not believe we should really worry much any more about going Godwin, given what we have before us.

But as I’ve tried to emphasize before, the type of “fascism” we will experience will be unique. History does not repeat. At best the fascistic states of the 20th century only give us insight into what we are becoming.

What we are seeing is the religious fundamentalists in this country dropping any pretense of requiring piety of any leader which promises them power.

In parallel with this, and supportive of this, we are seeing vested industrial/energy private enterprises working to ensure that their control of riches - that is, natural resources - is not controlled by the population at large.

This works well with the concentration of great wealth into the hands of the few.

Now, I believe this is an unstable proposition. Eventually the Trumpers will implode and turn on themselves.

But the damage that will be done will be unfortunate regardless of how long or short a time it takes for our society to work this out.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:56:59pm

re: #128 Blind Frog Belly White

So, the obvious question is whether Congresskid Banks believes that other nations should have the same authority to review the social media accounts of American citizens applying for visas to enter their territory?

There isn’t much worse than Indiana Nazi’s

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:57:43pm

re: #131 MsJ

That website you turned me on to, until they closed it to non-cop prying eyes, was fucking terrifying. Every last one of those fuckers needed to not be cops. Period.

Yeah, policeone.com was a nightmare and the moderators knew that the comments were being distributed as evidence in the media of just how screwed up the community was becoming.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:57:56pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:58:02pm

re: #134 Birth Control Works

There isn’t much worse than Indiana Nazi’s

If only we had a narrow bridge and an old Dodge Monaco….

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 17, 2017 • 3:58:20pm

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:00:16pm

re: #116 MsJ

This made me LOL.

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Oh my crepes. The fucking French Revolution…? Really? It’s almost like they don’t know history.

(Even if they are right about being a bunch of Romantic, Ragnarok-seeking nihilist shitapes)

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freetoken  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:01:24pm

Gusts over 30mph now… it’s going to rain.

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:01:50pm
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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:04:44pm
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:04:47pm

So, both the Trump campaign, and RNC now have the Mainstream Media Accountability Survey posted
action.donaldjtrump.com
gop.com

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Skip Intro  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:06:46pm

re: #143 FormerDirtDart

Love all the loaded questions where you agree with the premise no matter how you answer.

Fuck the GOP!

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:07:01pm

re: #8 451_Montag

People are going to get killed with statements like this.

The press are being labelled as the new abortion clinics.

Just a matter of time. Media are much more vulnerable than abortion providers since they have to get out where the action is to report on it. Big outlets and big name reporters can afford top flight security, though it might constrain their movements. Smaller outlets and lesser known people are terrifyingly easy targets for the nuts. Theoretically, the entire resources of the government should be available to protect the free press but with the government as the instigator of the problem, that isn’t going to happen.
This is how it will happen. Bannon will not send federal agents or even local police out to round up reporters. The ACLU would be all over them in a heartbeat, with millions of new supporters in the wings. Instead, they will use their plausibly deniable proxy army of ammosexuals, rogue cops, dominionist militias, and other crazies, probably aided and abetted by fascist elements in law enforcement. They have been grooming this proxy army for years and it is almost ready to act.
Not surprisingly, this is the pattern Putin has used in Ukraine and elsewhere. Instead of regular Russian troops he uses “volunteer” militias, private security contractors, and criminal gangs of every possible configuration.

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Bubblehead II  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:08:13pm

Add this to his attempt to demonize of the press. *

The White House says this AP report ‘100% not true’

He promised a round up force and it looks like he is making good on it regardless of what the GOP mouth pieces claim.

* Yeah, I know it’s a GOP propaganda site. But if they are saying the MSM is lying (like their boss) then there is a good chance he is at least considering it. And given the number of republican governors who have refused to learn from Georgia’s debacle about migrant workers, our agriculture sector is going to tank this summer/fall. Not to mention the hit the construction sector is going to take as well.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:10:06pm

re: #143 FormerDirtDart

So, both the Trump campaign, and RNC now have the Mainstream Media Accountability Survey posted
action.donaldjtrump.com
gop.com

1. The FAKE NEWS media is the enemy of
A. The People
B. America
C. God
D. All of the above.

2. Donald Trump is
A. A good President
B. A Great President
C. The Greatest President
D. The Hand Of God Here On Earth.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:10:15pm
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Ace Rothstein  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:10:58pm

re: #148 Charles Johnson

No.

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freetoken  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:11:17pm

re: #146 Bubblehead II

I think you meant “demonize”, but “demonetization” will eventually work, too.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:11:40pm

re: #61 freetoken

Glad I went to the store today much earlier than I usually do… it’s about to get pretty wet here.

I made it back in time. Ominous fast moving clouds. Wind a blowin.

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freetoken  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:12:51pm

On APM this afternoon (various public radio outlets), Williams’ Tallis variation orchestration, and a Philip Glass piece.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:13:13pm

re: #148 Charles Johnson

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No.

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EPR-radar  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:14:11pm

re: #145 Shiplord Kirel

Just a matter of time. Media are much more vulnerable than abortion providers since they have to get out where the action is to report on it. Big outlets and big name reporters can afford top flight security, though it might constrain their movements. Smaller outlets and lesser known people are terrifyingly easy targets for the nuts. Theoretically, the entire resources of the government should be available to protect the free press but with the government as the instigator of the problem, that isn’t going to happen.
This is how it will happen. Bannon will not send federal agents or even local police out to round up reporters. The ACLU would be all over them in a heartbeat, with millions of new supporters in the wings. Instead, they will use their plausibly deniable proxy army of ammosexuals, rogue cops, dominionist militias, and other crazies, probably aided and abetted by fascist elements in law enforcement. They have been grooming this proxy army for years and it is almost ready to act.
Not surprisingly, this is the pattern Putin has used in Ukraine and elsewhere. Instead of regular Russian troops he uses “volunteer” militias, private security contractors, and criminal gangs of every possible configuration.

Remember that report on the potential for US domestic terrorism (mainly from RW extremists) that came out a few years ago, and how Republicans squealed like stuck pigs and basically got it suppressed?

This is why. DC Republicans are not stupid when it comes to retaining power, and the threat of violence from extremist Republican elements is a tool they want to keep in the toolbox.

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Bubblehead II  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:15:25pm

re: #150 freetoken

I think you meant “demonize”, but “demonetization” will eventually work, too.

Fixed and thank you.

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:16:01pm

WHAT??

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:16:06pm

Somebody is getting thrown under a bus…

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Bubblehead II  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:16:47pm

re: #148 Charles Johnson

Does a bear wipe its ass after taking a shit in the woods?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:16:54pm

re: #157 FormerDirtDart

getting thrown under the bus… for not handing that doc to Trump so he could turn it into an EO…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:17:12pm

re: #152 freetoken

On APM this afternoon (various public radio outlets), Williams’ Tallis variation orchestration, and a Philip Glass piece.

As an aside, a while back I was looking for my ‘Decade of Steely Dan’ CD. Looked through all the CDs. Couldn’t find it. Bought 3 other Steely Dan CDs for cheap at Barnes & Noble.

Yesterday, I was looking for my Stevie Ray Vaughn CDs. Found them right where they belong, next to Vaughn Williams.

Right next to them was the Steely Dan disc. I guess somebody saw ‘Stevie’ and figured ‘Steely’ comes before it in alphabetical order.

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EPR-radar  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:17:15pm

re: #149 Ace Rothstein

No.

But we supposedly shouldn’t call Trump supporters pig-people. The only rational reason I can think of for this is that it’s an unbearable insult to pigs, but I’ve never seen that argument made.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:18:53pm

re: #121 jaunte

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I hate Indiana nazis.
journalgazette.net

The Thought Police Cometh…

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majii  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:20:08pm

re: #148 Charles Johnson

“Are there any Trump fans who aren’t ignorant, hateful dumb asses? Asking for a friend.”

The short answer is, “Hell NO!” Trump supporters get off on being obnoxious, hateful, misogynistic, Islamophobic anti-Semitic, etc. *ssholes. They really think Trump accomplished something great in his presser yesterday. It has never occurred to them that he came across to the rest of us as someone who should be going to a facility in D.C. for a mental health evaluation rather than to Mar-a-Lago today.

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:20:16pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:20:41pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:21:09pm

re: #161 EPR-radar

But we supposedly shouldn’t call Trump supporters pig-people. The only rational reason I can think of for this is that it’s an unbearable insult to pigs, but I’ve never seen that argument made.

Pigs are smart, friendly, and damn tasty.

Trump supporters are none of those things (though, tbh, I’m really just guessing on the last one)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:21:51pm

re: #165 Charles Johnson

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They could start acting like rational people.

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petesh  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:21:56pm

re: #160 Blind Frog Belly White

As an aside, a while back I was looking for my ‘Decade of Steely Dan’ CD. Looked through all the CDs. Couldn’t find it. Bought 3 other Steely Dan CDs for cheap at Barnes & Noble.

Yesterday, I was looking for my Stevie Ray Vaughn CDs. Found them right where they belong, next to Vaughn Williams.

Right next to them was the Steely Dan disc. I guess somebody saw ‘Stevie’ and figured ‘Steely’ comes before it in alphabetical order.

Surely, Becker & Fagen get filed under D, for Dan; while Dylan gets filed under B for Bob. At least, that used to be my system.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:22:15pm

re: #165 Charles Johnson

How exactly does one engage rationally with highly irrational people??

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:23:42pm

LOLOL!!

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:23:55pm

Most of those replying are not pleased

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EPR-radar  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:24:11pm

re: #147 Blind Frog Belly White

1. The FAKE NEWS media is the enemy of
A. The People
B. America
C. God
D. All of the above.

2. Donald Trump is
A. A good President
B. A Great President
C. The Greatest President
D. The Hand Of God Here On Earth.

The reality based version of this survey can also be made amusing.

1. The Orange Menace is the enemy of:
A. Liberals.
B. Rational people.
C. Everyone in the US except (real) billionaires.
D. All multicellular life on planet Earth.

2. POTUS* Trump is:
A. An asshole.
B. Satan’s asshole.
C. Satan’s gangrenous asshole.
D. Worse than words can possibly describe.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:24:11pm
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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:25:28pm

re: #171 FormerDirtDart

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Most of those replying are not pleased

Remember, Fox wants Pence.

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EPR-radar  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:25:52pm

re: #165 Charles Johnson

‘rational Trump fan’ is a self-contradiction right up there with ‘four-sided triangle’.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:26:33pm

re: #151 Stanley Sea

a couple of things for ya!

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freetoken  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:26:35pm

Northern San Diego county, from Mount Palomar west to the Marine base, is getting hammered right now… going to be very flooded up there.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:27:29pm

Wow, this guy.

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Targetpractice  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:29:27pm

re: #171 FormerDirtDart

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Most of those replying are not pleased

And it’s the same mantra over and over again, per Dear Leader: “The polls had him losing.”

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Timothy Watson  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:29:56pm

re: #178 Charles Johnson

Wow, this guy.

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EPR-radar  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:30:10pm

re: #178 Charles Johnson

Wow, this guy.

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Wow indeed. This is like idiots in Weimar Germany telling people that knew what was going on to not be so awful to Hitler fans.

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Targetpractice  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:30:19pm

re: #178 Charles Johnson

Wow, this guy.

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Poor guy probably also still believes in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny too.

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freetoken  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:30:30pm
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Barefoot Grin  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:30:38pm

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

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What about her brother?

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Stanley Sea  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:30:57pm

re: #176 Backwoods_Sleuth

a couple of things for ya!

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:)))

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majii  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:31:26pm

re: #169 Eclectic Cyborg

“How exactly does one engage rationally with highly irrational people??”

It’s impossible for one who lives in the real world to have a meaningful conversation with another who lives in an alternate reality. I’ve noticed that many on the right believe what they believe, and there’s no changing it. The media is Trump’s enemy therefore, it’s their enemy. There’s no need for them to prove this claim. They know in their gut that it’s true because Trump told them it was. Both Trump and his supporters are immune to the truth. I read an article on Raw Story earlier today about a Trump supporter who called a radio host and stated that he hates the media because the media lies about Trump. The host stopped him in his tracks when he asked him to provide one example of the media lying about something Trump has said. The caller responded by saying that he’d call back tomorrow with “proof.” The host informed him that he doesn’t work on Saturdays. When/if that caller calls back, he’ll be armed with BS from Breitbart, Infowars, Daily Caller, Fox, and other RW cesspool outlets.

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EPR-radar  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:33:27pm

re: #183 freetoken

This Graham meathead is just wrong on the facts, of course. RW tone trolls always are.

Fringe Trumpists are of the ‘kill the libtards’ persuasion, while even the fiercest criticism of Trump voters mostly comes down to ‘how could you be so fucking stupid and evil?’.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:34:06pm

Based on Trump torpedoing Tillerson’s pick for Deputy SecState, and killing the Harward pick by insisting on choosing his deputies, I don’t think there’ll be much need to slow down the confirmations. But they may need to confirm new Cabinet Secretaries.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:34:18pm

re: #177 freetoken

Northern San Diego county, from Mount Palomar west to the Marine base, is getting ham

weather.com

Holy shite

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:34:44pm
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EPR-radar  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:35:41pm

re: #186 majii

“How exactly does one engage rationally with highly irrational people??”

It’s impossible for one who lives in the real world to have a meaningful conversation with another who lives in an alternate reality. I’ve noticed that many on the right believe what they believe, and there’s no changing it. The media is Trump’s enemy therefore, it’s their enemy. There’s no need for them to prove this claim. They know in their gut that it’s true because Trump told them it was. Both Trump and his supporters are immune to the truth. I read an article on Raw Story earlier today about a Trump supporter who called a radio host and stated that he hates the media because the media lies about Trump. The host stopped him in his tracks when he asked him to provide one example of the media lying about something Trump has said. The caller responded by saying that he’d call back tomorrow with “proof.” The host informed him that he doesn’t work on Saturdays. When/if that caller calls back, he’ll be armed with BS from Breitbart, Infowars, Daily Caller, Fox, and other RW cesspool outlets.

Nothing about this is unique to Trump. It is Republican SOP, and Trump is just more blatant about it then previous Republicans were. Trump found electoral gold in the realization that the Fox News crowd will absolutely believe 2+2=5 or any similar level of absurdity if it is politically useful to do so.

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freetoken  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:35:47pm

We’re down to about 2% of possible sunlight now… I think the rain is just over the hill…

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CongoJack  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:37:05pm

re: #190 Scottish Dragon

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This is giving me a panic attack.
Edit: stoopid phone

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Targetpractice  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:37:09pm

No offense, but I’ve not met many Trump supporters who aren’t bugfuck insane. And the ones I met who were…abandoned his ass weeks ago after it became obvious he was every bit as stupid and evil as they were warned he was. If by this point you’re a rational human being and you’re still supporting Trump, then odds are it’s for all the wrong reasons.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:37:35pm
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majii  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:37:43pm

re: #171 FormerDirtDart

They may not be pleased at the present time, but they were overjoyed when they voted for him on November 8, 2016. They bought all of the hype, lies, conspiracy theories and BS, and are now having second thoughts. My dearly departed parents used to call what they did “Buying a Pig in a Poke.” They got duped. I recall that before the election, many Trump supporters said they thought he was highly intelligent. I can well imagine that after yesterday’s presser, some of them are beginning to change their minds. If they’re embarrassed about voting for him, they should be.

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freetoken  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:37:51pm

It’s peak driving time in Orange and San Diego counties for a Friday… and visibility is going to be near zero. Glad I’m not out there.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:38:00pm

If you were wondering if it could get worse…

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:38:24pm

re: #193 CongoJack

This is giving me me a panic attack.

Same here.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:39:06pm

re: #197 freetoken

It’s peak driving time in Orange and San Diego counties for a Friday… and visibility is going to be near zero. Glad I’m not out there.

Oh c’mon…the 405 is a freaking blast at 5:30!

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Targetpractice  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:39:37pm

re: #195 Scottish Dragon

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Yeah, I’d say one or more have been calling the White House for comment and word has filtered up to Dear Leader, which is why he’s preemptively wigging out.

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:39:50pm

Thread.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:40:22pm
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:41:47pm

Those numbers seem slightly familiar

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Targetpractice  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:41:57pm

You know who most of those Trump supporters who are “scared to speak up” are? They’re the people in your FB feeds who suddenly don’t want to talk politics anymore, the tweeters who are going back to delete old pro-Trump tweets, the friends you know IRL who suddenly want to discuss everything but Trump. In other words they’re the embarrassed marks of a conman who are afraid to admit they got cheated.

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freetoken  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:42:07pm

1%… we’re down to 1% of possible sunlight… it should rain any moment now…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:42:20pm

re: #194 Targetpractice

No offense, but I’ve not met many Trump supporters who aren’t bugfuck insane. And the ones I met who were…abandoned his ass weeks ago after it became obvious he was every bit as stupid and evil as they were warned he was. If by this point you’re a rational human being and you’re still supporting Trump, then odds are it’s for all the wrong reasons.

There are GOP partisans, and then there are Trump supporters. The former tend to use a lot of ‘Tu Quoque’ fallacy, aka ‘What About-ism’, while the latter are usually openly fascist. The former could be peeled off with the revelation of something truly appalling, but it would have to be something political or business related, like that Trump is literally owned by a Russian oligarch, whereas the latter will fly into the side of the mountain with him.

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Skip Intro  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:42:34pm

re: #189 Stanley Sea

We got it earlier today. Closest thing to a hurricane I’ve ever seen.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:44:06pm
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freetoken  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:45:26pm

re: #208 Skip Intro

The front is running nearly North-South right now, which means Pendleton and southern Orange county is getting continual deluge … they will be flooded.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:46:13pm
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Skip Intro  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:46:20pm

re: #204 FormerDirtDart

Fox is on quite a role today.

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Targetpractice  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:47:09pm

re: #209 Charles Johnson

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It’s a replay of the post-election “Stop being so mean to me for voting Trump!” business, only now it’s even more pathetic because a month ago they could argue that he hadn’t taken the oath yet and might turn out to be an okay president. The list of things you have to excuse to be a rational human being and a Trump supporter just grows by the day.

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EPR-radar  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:47:11pm

re: #207 Blind Frog Belly White

There are GOP partisans, and then there are Trump supporters. The former tend to use a lot of ‘Tu Quoque’ fallacy, aka ‘What About-ism’, while the latter are usually openly fascist. The former could be peeled off with the revelation of something truly appalling, but it would have to be something political or business related, like that Trump is literally owned by a Russian oligarch, whereas the latter will fly into the side of the mountain with him.

This distinction may not really exist, especially as long as the GOP base remains in love with Trump and his circus.

No GOP member of Congress will dare to independently decide whether or not Trump’s ownership by an Russian oligarch (if evidence for that comes out) matters. Everything will be decided by the polling among the meatheads in the relevant state or district.

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:47:38pm
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:48:03pm
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Stanley Sea  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:48:17pm

re: #197 freetoken

It’s peak driving time in Orange and San Diego counties for a Friday… and visibility is going to be near zero. Glad I’m not out there.

Heard on the news while out to the store that there’s was a tree blocking all lanes on the 163.

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lawhawk  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:48:21pm

What do people not get about this national guard proposal. Do they think that the NG will stop only illegal aliens? Do they think that US citizens will not be stopped or detained in the sweeps?

This is the idiocy that I see:

Right-o. People think that this is not going to affect them (as white people) so why worry about the illegality or constitutionality of these actions. Using the national guard for policing is an awful thing, and the military knows it (or should know it). There are specialized units that do law enforcement, but a general mobilization means you need a lot more troops - troops that aren’t trained in how to do policing or enforcement action.

Heck, we see ICE not following the law either (as Laurence Tribe is suing on behalf of one person who was coerced and whose “confession” was invented by ICE agents).

This entire thing is a shitstorm of epic proportions, and it’d be a horror show for angry white guys too.

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Targetpractice  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:48:32pm

re: #216 goddamnedfrank

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Drip, drip, drip…

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Stanley Sea  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:48:40pm

re: #197 freetoken

It’s peak driving time in Orange and San Diego counties for a Friday… and visibility is going to be near zero. Glad I’m not out there.

Also, Friday Holiday weekend.

Nightmare.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:49:31pm

re: #216 goddamnedfrank

P.S. That tweet notwithstanding Seth Abramson is still a complete piece of shit.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:50:07pm

re: #221 goddamnedfrank

P.S. That tweet notwithstanding Seth Abramson is still a complete piece of shit.

Blind pig? Acorn?

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Skip Intro  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:50:26pm

re: #215 MsJ

JoeyTubeSocks - Waste Management Executive

Ha!

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Stanley Sea  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:51:04pm

re: #208 Skip Intro

We got it earlier today. Closest thing to a hurricane I’ve ever seen.

Weird it has calmed down. I must be in the eye.

That radar was scary as hell!

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Targetpractice  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:51:19pm

re: #218 lawhawk

What do people not get about this national guard proposal. Do they think that the NG will stop only illegal aliens? Do they think that US citizens will not be stopped or detained in the sweeps?

This is the idiocy that I see:

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This entire thing is a shitstorm of epic proportions, and it’d be a horror show for angry white guys too.

So many of the historical ignorant forget that the Jews weren’t the first targets of the Nazis. Yes, the antisemitism was prominent in the rise of the Reich, but their original stated enemies were the communists. Which is how they came to power, as a counterpoint to the rising fear of a communist rebellion in Germany like that which had turned Russia into the USSR. Many a Jew voted for the Nazis thinking that they were only going after the communists and would never turn the tools of the state against them.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:52:38pm

re: #136 Scottish Dragon

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A key to the Bastille is hanging in the hallway at Mt. Vernon.

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jaunte  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:52:51pm

re: #212 Skip Intro

This guy likes Trump, doesn’t like George Soros.

Hungary’s right-wing prime minister Viktor Orban has described the arrival of asylum seekers in Europe as “a poison”, saying his country did not want or need “a single migrant”.
theguardian.com

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Birth Control Works  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:52:55pm

re: #137 Blind Frog Belly White

If only we had a narrow bridge and an old Dodge Monaco….

you forgot your sarc tag :)

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Skip Intro  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:53:17pm

re: #224 Stanley Sea

Weird it has calmed down. I must be in the eye.

That radar was scary as hell!

It rained hard for 8 straight hours and I don’t know how strong the wind was but it blew the lid of my Weber BBQ across the yard. The BBQ too.

The streets look like all the trees exploded.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:53:46pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:53:58pm

re: #225 Targetpractice

So many of the historical ignorant forget that the Jews weren’t the first targets of the Nazis. Yes, the antisemitism was prominent in the rise of the Reich, but their original stated enemies were the communists. Which is how they came to power, as a counterpoint to the rising fear of a communist rebellion in Germany like that which had turned Russia into the USSR. Many a Jew voted for the Nazis thinking that they were only going after the communists and would never turn the tools of the state against them.

Right. Nobody STARTS OUT saying, “Hey, I think we should kill all the Jews, and while we’re at it, the Gypsies, Homosexuals, Communists, Unionists, and anyone else we don’t like.” They start out with ‘Enemies of the State’ and ‘The Enemy Within’, and work their way up.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:54:17pm

I find it amusing from the same people who mock liberals want us to be nice to them. I mean let me tell you this much. I know Trump supporters and conservatives. I don’t go out looking for political arguments with them but if you bring up politics, I am going to speak my mind and if you are offended by me telling you that you acted stupidly by supporting Trump, tough shit.

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EPR-radar  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:54:33pm

re: #218 lawhawk

Anyone in the US can be hassled about their citizenship status by Vogon-minded authorities at any time, and there’s no simple way to prove citizenship, especially in a spot check.

The ACLU had best be using their donation spike to be all over abuses like this, since this is probably the easiest way for the US to become a police state.

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Skip Intro  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:54:57pm

re: #231 Blind Frog Belly White

First you kill off all the people who could stop you from killing off the rest.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:55:30pm

re: #230 Charles Johnson

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Maybe, but 10 pages is a lot of work for a canary trap.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:55:53pm

re: #231 Blind Frog Belly White

Right. Nobody STARTS OUT saying, “Hey, I think we should kill all the Jews, and while we’re at it, the Gypsies, Homosexuals, Communists, Unionists, and anyone else we don’t like.” They start out with ‘Enemies of the State’ and ‘The Enemy Within’, and work their way up.

The Nazis never would have gotten where they did if they had just started out with that. They started out by talking about the “traitors” at Versailes. You had a population in Germany truly demoralized after the WWI defeat. Not that the lost jobs in the Rust Belt is 100% an identical situation but if you play to resentments like that, you do get a loyal folowing.

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Skip Intro  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:56:05pm

re: #233 EPR-radar

And then the ACLU goes and defends removing any restrictions on mentally ill seniors buying guns. Definitely a mixed bag for me.

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EPR-radar  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:56:25pm

re: #231 Blind Frog Belly White

Right. Nobody STARTS OUT saying, “Hey, I think we should kill all the Jews, and while we’re at it, the Gypsies, Homosexuals, Communists, Unionists, and anyone else we don’t like.” They start out with ‘Enemies of the State’ and ‘The Enemy Within’, and work their way up.

Don’t forget “useless mouths” etc., who were the first to go to death camps under the Nazis, IIRC.

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Skip Intro  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:57:43pm

Hey, it’s Friday night. How about a video about a guy who wears a 200 pound turban?

Baba Singh and His 200-Pound Turban

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EPR-radar  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:57:47pm

re: #237 Skip Intro

And then the ACLU goes and defends removing any restrictions on mentally ill seniors buying guns. Definitely a mixed bag for me.

Ugh. IMO the second amendment is the biggest flaw in the constitution, with the electoral college being a close second.

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b.d.  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:58:09pm

re: #230 Charles Johnson

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let’s put out an internal fake story that makes us look like a bunch of monsters and see who leaks it!!

GENIUS!!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:58:16pm

re: #237 Skip Intro

And then the ACLU goes and defends removing any restrictions on mentally ill seniors buying guns. Definitely a mixed bag for me.

Well the ACLU’s big thing is consistency. I understand their desire to be consistent but at the same time, I do feel something needs realistically to be done. Just as I understand how they feel on campaign finance reform. Sometimes you have to work with the situation you have.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:58:36pm

re: #240 EPR-radar

Ugh. IMO the second amendment is the biggest flaw in the constitution, with the electoral college being a close second.

The 2nd was very poorly written IMO.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 17, 2017 • 4:59:14pm

re: #237 Skip Intro

And then the ACLU goes and defends removing any restrictions on mentally ill seniors buying guns. Definitely a mixed bag for me.

If we funded the execution, enforcement and oversight of the laws we already had on the books …

They are correct in their defense of those deemed, but not adjudicated, mentally ill.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:01:11pm

re: #243 HappyWarrior

The 2nd was very poorly written IMO.

It was written as it was intended. The thought of self-defense being something that had to be included in the constitution was not something the founding fathers thought of —as the definition of a free person inherently included the right to self-defense.

slaves were specifically excluded from defending their bodies, as they did not own their bodies.

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EPR-radar  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:01:22pm

re: #243 HappyWarrior

The 2nd was very poorly written IMO.

I’m not fond of its ambiguity, but at a more basic level I don’t think an absolute right to gun ownership makes sense. Having it as an enumerated right in the constitution is going to make it very close to absolute in practice.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:02:15pm

re: #246 EPR-radar

I’m not fond of its ambiguity, but at a more basic level I don’t think an absolute right to gun ownership makes sense. Having it as an enumerated right in the constitution is going to make it very close to absolute in practice.

Agreed on both counts. It’s also worth pointing out the era when it was written.

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majii  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:02:28pm

re: #231 Blind Frog Belly White

“Right. Nobody STARTS OUT saying, “Hey, I think we should kill all the Jews, and while we’re at it, the Gypsies, Homosexuals, Communists, Unionists, and anyone else we don’t like.” They start out with ‘Enemies of the State’ and ‘The Enemy Within’, and work their way up.”

EXACTLY. We saw this after Trump issued his Muslim Immigration Ban and some who voted for him were angry when their spouses and relatives couldn’t return to the U.S. They thought the things he was saying about Muslims when he was campaigning were OK and would have no impact on them. The ban affected them personally, and it was only then they began to get a clue that for Trump, they were his useful idiots.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:03:49pm

re: #68 MsJ

I can’t say as I’ve never used that brand for espresso. But I have used those stovetop makers and they make really good espresso.

I have a Tassimo (which would have to be pried from my cold dead hands).

I ordered a deLonghi

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:04:16pm

re: #245 Birth Control Works

It was written as it was intended. The thought of self-defense being something that had to be included in the constitution was not something the founding fathers thought of —as the definition of a free person inherently included the right to self-defense.

slaves were specifically excluded from defending their bodies, as they did not own their bodies.

The ambiguous language regarding the militia is what I mean here. Anyhow, the 2nd to me actually is why I had the biggest problem with Scalia’s and now likely Gorsuch’s Originalist judicial philosophy. We can’t get Rufus and the Phone Booth to get James Madison to San Dimas to ask him about how he intended the 2nd. Though, we should be using what we have got and the times we’re in.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:05:17pm

Climate and the Collapse of Ancient Civilizations

Scientists have documented the environmental impacts of climate change—including melting ice sheets—and predicted rising sea levels. But can climate change disrupt culture? Reporting in Science Advances, researchers say that climate change may have been a factor in the boom-and-bust cycles of ancient Southwest civilizations in the United States. Archeologist Kyle Bocinsky, one of the authors of the study, discusses the link between climate change and past cultural transitions.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:05:24pm

re: #205 Targetpractice

You know who most of those Trump supporters who are “scared to speak up” are? They’re the people in your FB feeds who suddenly don’t want to talk politics anymore, the tweeters who are going back to delete old pro-Trump tweets, the friends you know IRL who suddenly want to discuss everything but Trump. In other words they’re the embarrassed marks of a conman who are afraid to admit they got cheated.

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Partisan22  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:06:48pm

“Donald Trump’s paranoia is increasing to dangerous levels”

With all due respect, given the utterances from Day One I believe this is a concerted effort thanks to Bannon to make the base paranoid. I think it is wholesale propaganda and manipulation to increase paranoia overall. I think Trump is parroting the Nazi party line, whether with help or not, regardless of the level of his paranoia. He’s no more sick than a psychopath is sick and that means he will pump up the volume if need be. I see a planned trajectory. The Nazi admin is increasing the emotional pressure towards incitement to violence, that is all. I believe that is their chief goal now. There is nothing here that is not out of the Nazi playbook and Trump is happy to oblige.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:07:23pm

re: #250 HappyWarrior

The ambiguous language regarding the militia is what I mean here. Anyhow, the 2nd to me actually is why I had the biggest problem with Scalia’s and now likely Gorsuch’s Originalist judicial philosophy. We can’t get Rufus and the Phone Booth to get James Madison to San Dimas to ask him about how he intended the 2nd. Though, we should be using what we have got and the times we’re in.

A lot has been written about the time and the intentions of the founders in regards to the 2nd amendment.

The gist of what I’ve learned regarding the individual right to self-defense is as I stated above.

It is important to note that much of the constitution is based on property rights —and the right to defend them.

I think this is the part that justifies to some the “stand your ground” laws etc.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:08:09pm

Some of the Trumpers I know have been running their yaps whining about how liberals are being intolerant by being upset with their conservative friends and family who supported Trump. I’m sorry but people are upset. They see a President that you supported that is implementing policies that can will hurt those they love. And we had to deal with their non stop Obama ragegasms and absurd accusations that Obama was out to ban Christianity and their guns.

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EPR-radar  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:09:19pm

re: #250 HappyWarrior

The ambiguous language regarding the militia is what I mean here. Anyhow, the 2nd to me actually is why I had the biggest problem with Scalia’s and now likely Gorsuch’s Originalist judicial philosophy. We can’t get Rufus and the Phone Booth to get James Madison to San Dimas to ask him about how he intended the 2nd. Though, we should be using what we have got and the times we’re in.

It’s so obvious that the interpretations are driven by political convenience as opposed to any real principles.

For example, at the time the second amendment was drafted, “arms” would have presumably included swords. So under recent SCOTUS cases, there is presumably a damn near absolute right to be armed with a sword in public. Like that will ever happen.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:09:31pm

re: #254 Birth Control Works

A lot has been written about the time and the intentions of the founders in regards to the 2nd amendment.

The gist of what I’ve learned regarding the individual right to self-defense is as I stated above.

It is important to note that much of the constitution is based on property rights —and the right to defend them.

I think this is the part that justifies to some the “stand your ground” laws etc.

I know but my point with my very Dad joke about not being able to get them here personally to discuss is we don’t know what they would say since firearms have changed a lot since the Constitution’s writing. Granted so have forms of speech. That is very true about property rights.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:10:17pm

re: #256 EPR-radar

It’s so obvious that the interpretations are driven by political convenience as opposed to any real principles.

For example, at the time the second amendment was drafted, “arms” would have presumably included swords. So under recent SCOTUS cases, there is presumably a damn near absolute right to be armed with a sword in public. Like that will ever happen.

And that’s what we need to understand when discussing the Constitution.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:10:59pm

re: #245 Birth Control Works

slaves were specifically excluded from defending their bodies, as they did not own their bodies.

As you can Imagine, I take specific interest in the 2nd Amendment.

OWNERSHIP was a big deal to the founders. The philosophical, theological and legal tangents of ownership of one’s body are very much pertinent.

Especially to women.

I am not sure there is any specific legal code that states women are not property or chattel of men. We are not citizens by birth as men are.

The legal history in regards to the status of women is clear —we were non-citizens in all cultures until very recently.

WE NEED THE ERA -now!

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:11:35pm
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Birth Control Works  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:12:34pm

re: #246 EPR-radar

I’m not fond of its ambiguity, but at a more basic level I don’t think an absolute right to gun ownership makes sense. Having it as an enumerated right in the constitution is going to make it very close to absolute in practice.

THe right to use any weapon to defend oneself, and others (including some property) from emminent danger is what is not specifically worded in the Constitution. THe 2nd Amendment and the recent SCOTUS decision is the best we have.

Let’s not mess with it right now.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:13:06pm

re: #260 goddamnedfrank

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I am pissed at myself for once supporting this guy. Granted I was a teenager but goddamnit. Boggles my mind that someone like Kucinich could see that Bush was wrong and then condone Trump and Flynn’s bullshit.

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Targetpractice  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:14:08pm

re: #255 HappyWarrior

Some of the Trumpers I know have been running their yaps whining about how liberals are being intolerant by being upset with their conservative friends and family who supported Trump. I’m sorry but people are upset. They see a President that you supported that is implementing policies that can will hurt those they love. And we had to deal with their non stop Obama ragegasms and absurd accusations that Obama was out to ban Christianity and their guns.

8 years of “Nobama is the Anti-Christ! Anybody who supports him hates America!” doesn’t just go away because you won the election. Especially when you go around, getting into people’s faces with “He’s your president! You should respect him!” If you and your fellow dickheads are being made to feel bad by the people you know for supporting Trump, then you have the beginning of an inkling of how they have felt the last 8 years having you scream in their ears that they’re going to Hell for being a “librul.”

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:14:52pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:15:13pm

re: #261 Birth Control Works

THe right to use any weapon to defend oneself, and others (including some property) from emminent danger is what is not specifically worded in the Constitution. THe 2nd Amendment and the recent SCOTUS decision is the best we have.

Let’s not mess with it right now.

Well then how do we address gun violence. The problem is the 2nd often isn’t used for just self defense. The concept of firearms collecting was a foreign one to the Founders. I think we need to look at solutions to our gun violence problem. I’d love to live in a country where gun violence is rare. I am not idealistic enough to think it will be completely gotten rid of and we’ll have UK/Canada numbers but we can and ought to work to reduce it. Continuing with a 1789 interpretation of guns I think isnt’ gonna work.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:15:51pm

re: #256 EPR-radar

It’s so obvious that the interpretations are driven by political convenience as opposed to any real principles.

For example, at the time the second amendment was drafted, “arms” would have presumably included swords. So under recent SCOTUS cases, there is presumably a damn near absolute right to be armed with a sword in public. Like that will ever happen.

No, there were rifles used in the American Revolution and King George tried/or did (I can’t remember) enact a gunpowder embargo on the American Colonies. Some decree in 1768 (I can’t remember what) was a big impetus for the Revolution.

Firearms were most definitely thought of as “arms” by the founders.

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Targetpractice  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:16:26pm

re: #260 goddamnedfrank

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As I noted time and again during the election, the far-right and far-left are united in their desire for authoritarianism. And the belief that the only people who will suffer under their preferred regime “totally deserve it.”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:16:38pm

re: #266 Birth Control Works

No, there were rifles used in the American Revolution and King George tried/or did (I can’t remember) enact a gunpowder embargo on the American Colonies. Some decree in 1768 (I can’t remember what) was a big impetus for the Revolution.

Firearms were most definitely thought of as “arms” by the founders.

You’re misreading him. He’s not saying that the Founders didn’t see guns as arms, he says that arms also included things like swords in addition to guns.

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Targetpractice  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:17:20pm

re: #264 goddamnedfrank

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Morning Joke trying to present himself now as a voice of Le Resistance is fucking hilarious considering how much time he and Mika gave to Trump during the campaign.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:17:35pm

re: #267 Targetpractice

As I noted time and again during the election, the far-right and far-left are united in their desire for authoritarianism. And the belief that the only people who will suffer under their preferred regime “totally deserve it.”

The far left definitely does have an Anti-Democratic element. See how they wanted the DNC to nominate Sanders just because of hypothetical polls when Sanders was clearly losing to Clinton in the popular vote column.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:17:39pm

re: #264 goddamnedfrank

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But don’t push too hard. We don’t want him.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:17:50pm

re: #257 HappyWarrior

I know but my point with my very Dad joke about not being able to get them here personally to discuss is we don’t know what they would say since firearms have changed a lot since the Constitution’s writing. Granted so have forms of speech. That is very true about property rights.

Yes, firearms have changed since the late 1700’s.

I agree the founders would have had written more specifically if auto-matic or semi-automatic weapons of war were available to the public at that time.

This is where I agree with most gun-control advocates. I don’t see an civilian purpose for more than a hunting rifle, shotgun or basic handgun.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:18:48pm

re: #268 HappyWarrior

You’re misreading him. He’s not saying that the Founders didn’t see guns as arms, he says that arms also included things like swords in addition to guns.

ah, yes, you are correct.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:19:01pm

re: #272 Birth Control Works

Yes, firearms have changed since the late 1700’s.

I agree the founders would have had written more specifically if auto-matic or semi-automatic weapons of war were available to the public at that time.

This is where I agree with most gun-control advocates. I don’t see an civilian purpose for more than a hunting rifle, shotgun or basic handgun.

Right. We agree then. It just sucks that the gun rights activists see any attempt to point that out as anti-freedom. Another thing though to consider is how we live has changed a lot.

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EPR-radar  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:19:53pm

re: #266 Birth Control Works

No, there were rifles used in the American Revolution and King George tried/or did (I can’t remember) enact a gunpowder embargo on the American Colonies. Some decree in 1768 (I can’t remember what) was a big impetus for the Revolution.

Firearms were most definitely thought of as “arms” by the founders.

Of course. My point is that swords would also have been thought of as ‘arms’ by the founders, and recent SCOTUS case law granting the absolute individual right to keep and bear arms should presumably cover at least guns and swords.

But the only real right out there is for being armed with guns. Wannabe sword-wielders are shit out of luck, and it has everything to do with politics and nothing to do with the rights supposedly granted in the Constitution.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:20:06pm

re: #265 HappyWarrior

Well then how do we address gun violence. The problem is the 2nd often isn’t used for just self defense. The concept of firearms collecting was a foreign one to the Founders. I think we need to look at solutions to our gun violence problem. I’d love to live in a country where gun violence is rare. I am not idealistic enough to think it will be completely gotten rid of and we’ll have UK/Canada numbers but we can and ought to work to reduce it. Continuing with a 1789 interpretation of guns I think isnt’ gonna work.

My answer to everything:

Comprehensive Sex Ed and Cost-free Birth Control.

Children who are wanted.

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Targetpractice  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:20:14pm

re: #270 HappyWarrior

The far left definitely does have an Anti-Democratic element. See how they wanted the DNC to nominate Sanders just because of hypothetical polls when Sanders was clearly losing to Clinton in the popular vote column.

They loved Bernie because he was the far-left’s Trump, he was an old and bitter man who was making a lot of promises to go after the far-left’s enemies list. I have no doubt that, in the event of a hypothetical Bernie presidency, he and/or his supporters would be out there assailing the leakers as remnants of the old guard, trying to discredit Bernie’s presidency by leaking damaging info to the press.

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:20:51pm

re: #212 Skip Intro

Fox is on quite a role today.

Lawmakers probe US funding for Soros groups, left-wing causes in Europehttp://foxnews.com
5:37 PM - 17 Feb 2017

I need to get busy and make some more money (several thousand times more in fact) since Soros won’t live forever and somebody will have to step in.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:22:18pm
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:23:20pm

re: #267 Targetpractice

As I noted time and again during the election, the far-right and far-left are united in their desire for authoritarianism. And the belief that the only people who will suffer under their preferred regime “totally deserve it.”

The thing is I’d be a fucking tyrant if I were in charge too. The only difference is I understand my limitations, the limitations of the observable universe, and the resulting value of pragmatic leadership … given that it’s unlikely I’m going to be granted Overlordship of Earth, a point to point teleportation device and a gigantic prison on the Moon by a vastly superior alien civilization.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:23:57pm

re: #276 Birth Control Works

My answer to everything:

Comprehensive Sex Ed and Cost-free Birth Control.

Children who are wanted.

That’s a start but more is needed on that front.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:24:24pm

re: #269 Targetpractice

Morning Joke trying to present himself now as a voice of Le Resistance is fucking hilarious considering how much time he and Mika gave to Trump during the campaign.

Yeah, I remember Scarborough being all about saying he would never support Donald Trump after the Corey Lewandowski attack on a female reporter and Trump’s hot-mike admission of sexual assault. Just a few weeks later he’s singing Trump’s praises again, and is actually photographed at a party hosted by Trump.

Let’s just say that Joe’s credibility in my book is pretty damn close to zero.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:26:06pm

re: #277 Targetpractice

They loved Bernie because he was the far-left’s Trump, he was an old and bitter man who was making a lot of promises to go after the far-left’s enemies list. I have no doubt that, in the event of a hypothetical Bernie presidency, he and/or his supporters would be out there assailing the leakers as remnants of the old guard, trying to discredit Bernie’s presidency by leaking damaging info to the press.

I said it earlier but I had serious doubts even when I was more sympathetic to Sanders about what kind of President he’d make. I actually probably take a different point of view regarding the far left, I think a lot of them are well meaning people but who stupidly think the best nominee is the one with the best voting record and they ignoer things like temperament, leadership skills, and ability to work with people. Three soft skills that Clinton had over Sanders.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:26:42pm

re: #282 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Yeah, I remember Scarborough being all about saying he would never support Donald Trump after the Corey Lewandowski attack on a female reporter and Trump’s hot-mike admission of sexual assault. Just a few weeks later he’s singing Trump’s praises again, and is actually photographed at a party hosted by Trump.

Let’s just say that Joe’s credibility in my book is pretty damn close to zero.

Zactly.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:27:44pm

re: #281 HappyWarrior

That’s a start but more is needed on that front.

Honestly, empower women and men to make their own choices.

in one generation we could have a much, much better world.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:29:16pm

re: #285 Birth Control Works

Honestly, empower women and men to make their own choices.

in one generation we could have a much, much better world.

I don’t disagree. I just think a lot needs to be done about the gun violence in this country. We could start by not letting the NRA write the rules for debating issues involving guns. More gun owners like RWC and less like Little Dick LaPierre who is a racist piece of shit.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:31:12pm

re: #250 HappyWarrior

The ambiguous language regarding the militia is what I mean here. Anyhow, the 2nd to me actually is why I had the biggest problem with Scalia’s and now likely Gorsuch’s Originalist judicial philosophy. We can’t get Rufus and the Phone Booth to get James Madison to San Dimas to ask him about how he intended the 2nd. Though, we should be using what we have got and the times we’re in.

The militia was the whole of the male populace aged 16 to 60. As the Founders were very leery of a standing army, a guarantee that the states could keep virtuous militias seemed to make sense. (note the idea that paid soldiery were morally inferior to an unpaid militia standing under arms for love of country was still in much vogue at the time)

However, militia duty was a serious civic obligation and was something like your tax burden today. You were expected to keep a weapon in good order and show up for drill.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:31:40pm

The far left of the party wants to turn the DNC Chairmanship into a referendum on whether you supported Clinton or Sanders. Such childish bullshit.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:32:04pm

Um …

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:32:15pm

re: #287 Scottish Dragon

The militia was the whole of the male populace aged 16 to 60. As the Founders were very leery of a standing army, a guarantee that the states could keep virtuous militias seemed to make sense. (note the idea that paid soldiery were morally inferior to an unpaid militia standing under arms for love of country was still in much vogue at the time)

However, militia duty was a serious civic obligation and was something like your tax burden today. You were expected to keep a weapon in good order and show up for drill.

Thanks for the historical perspective.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:32:50pm

re: #287 Scottish Dragon

The militia was the whole of the male populace aged 16 to 60. As the Founders were very leery of a standing army, a guarantee that the states could keep virtuous militias seemed to make sense. (note the idea that paid soldiery were morally inferior to an unpaid militia standing under arms for love of country was still in much vogue at the time)

However, militia duty was a serious civic obligation and was something like your tax burden today. You were expected to keep a weapon in good order and show up for drill.

And it is still part of the plan. If the shit hits the fan, civilians will be called —as I understand it. Local police can call civilian marksman. Those who have completed the CMP class, specifically.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:33:21pm

re: #287 Scottish Dragon

The militia was the whole of the male populace aged 16 to 60. As the Founders were very leery of a standing army, a guarantee that the states could keep virtuous militias seemed to make sense. (note the idea that paid soldiery were morally inferior to an unpaid militia standing under arms for love of country was still in much vogue at the time)

However, militia duty was a serious civic obligation and was something like your tax burden today. You were expected to keep a weapon in good order and show up for drill.

Still like that in Switzerland —IIRC

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Timothy Watson  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:34:21pm

re: #289 goddamnedfrank

Um …

[Embedded content]

That picture is supposed to go with this story I believe:
abcnews.go.com

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b.d.  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:34:37pm

re: #289 goddamnedfrank

Um …

[Embedded content]

When you are an enemy of the American people it is a good idea to tweet as many cat pictures as possible.

//

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Charles Johnson  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:35:56pm
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jaunte  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:37:00pm

re: #289 goddamnedfrank

Meanwhile, Richard Branson is kite-surfing.

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Droid Builder  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:38:02pm

re: #56 Birth Control Works

no pods, no keurig type. I saw a Mr. Coffee and wondered if it was worth it.

Definitely a shout out to Nespresso. Smoothest tasting espresso you can get in a home machine. A little pricey however worth it.

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Birth Control Works  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:40:18pm

re: #297 Droid Builder

Definitely a shout out to Nespresso. Smoothest tasting espresso you can get in a home machine. A little pricey however worth it.

seems to be a lot of waste as well, with the pods

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Charles Johnson  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:40:37pm
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Droid Builder  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:41:39pm

re: #299 Birth Control Works

seems to be a lot of waste as well, with the pods

Tough to get around the pods. I agree with the waste however they do keep the coffee very fresh.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:43:51pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:46:22pm

re: #303 Charles Johnson

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It just looks like something out of a 80’s music video to me heh.

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Targetpractice  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:46:29pm

re: #300 Charles Johnson

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You know, it’s funny, but we just spent 8 years of listening to bitching about how Obama was “always in ‘campaign mode’” and that he wasn’t being a “leader” because a real leader would be working with Congress to get stuff done instead of allowing the party members to do the work for him.

It’s almost like there’s a double standard…//////

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Birth Control Works  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:46:43pm

WE ARE NOT GOING BACK!

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Charles Johnson  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:46:49pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:47:36pm

re: #305 Targetpractice

You know, it’s funny, but we just spent 8 years of listening to bitching about how Obama was “always in ‘campaign mode’” and that he wasn’t being a “leader” because a real leader would be working with Congress to get stuff done instead of allowing the party members to do the work for him.

It’s almost like there’s a double standard…//////

Exactly. I think that’s what pisses me off most about this. Trump is literally everything they accused Obama of being and they just don’t care. Then again, for many of them hating liberals is the only thing that matters.

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:48:17pm

re: #255 HappyWarrior

Some of the Trumpers I know have been running their yaps whining about how liberals are being intolerant by being upset with their conservative friends and family who supported Trump. I’m sorry but people are upset. They see a President that you supported that is implementing policies that can will hurt those they love. And we had to deal with their non stop Obama ragegasms and absurd accusations that Obama was out to ban Christianity and their guns.

I’m sorry that I’m not even remotely sorry.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:50:57pm

re: #309 MsJ

I’m sorry that I’m not even remotely sorry.

My grandmother was telling me that my great aunt’s granddaughter didn’t take too kindly to a joke my great aunt heard about how there needs to be a wall built around Trump and the WH rather than Mexico. I admit, I’ve never actually met this cousin so I don’t know how she was in the Obama years but really, that offends you but not the constant talk about Obama not being a real American. Thjey’re from that part of PA I was talking about earlier btw.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2017 • 5:52:46pm

HEaded up stairs. Last one up is a dirty egg!

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Birth Control Works  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:06:22pm
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steve_davis  Feb 17, 2017 • 6:24:19pm

re: #91 unproven innocence

Only a bit OT:
Fifth Circuit holds that First Amendment protects the right to record the police [pdf]

“Turner timely appealed.” I love legal shorthand!!

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 17, 2017 • 7:01:42pm

re: #212 Skip Intro

Fox is on quite a role today.

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Lawmakers must have recieved their orders from Moscow. Yesterday RT and Sputnik declared Soros an enemy of the state.

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steve_davis  Feb 18, 2017 • 8:00:13am

re: #232 HappyWarrior

I find it amusing from the same people who mock liberals want us to be nice to them. I mean let me tell you this much. I know Trump supporters and conservatives. I don’t go out looking for political arguments with them but if you bring up politics, I am going to speak my mind and if you are offended by me telling you that you acted stupidly by supporting Trump, tough shit.

Yep. I lost a sister because of this. She wasn’t a Trump supporter or voter. She’s just a Trump-supporter apologist. Worried that I’ve offended her husband and some cousins. Fuck ‘em. Everybody else in the family had enough sense not to vote for this psychotic jackass. This ain’t everybody wins a ribbon day. You vote for somebody whose stated goal is to fuck me out of my health insurance, I’m not gonna sit idly by on Facebook while you post crap about how we should all just get along.


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