Jared Kushner’s Lawyer Tricked by Troll Into Revealing Something Interesting

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As revelations emerge that at least six Trump administration officials used private email accounts to discuss White House business, now we’re learning that Jared Kushner’s lawyer was fooled by an email prankster into making some rather eyebrow-raising statements about Kushner’s emails.

On Monday, the prankster wrote to Lowell from the address kushner.jared@mail.com asking what he should do with “some correspondence on my private email … featuring adult content.”

“Can I remove these?” the prankster asked.

“Forwarded or received from WH officials?” Lowell responded.

“I think one was forwarded from a White House official, we had discussed a shared interest of sorts,” the prankster said. “It was unsolicited. Then there are a handful more, but not from officials.”

I need to see I think all emails between you and WH (just for me and us),” Lowell wrote. “We need to send any officials emails to your WH account. Not stuff like you asked about. None of those are going anywhere.”

“But we can bury it?” the prankster responded. “I’m so embarrassed. It’s fairly specialist stuff, half naked women on a trampoline, standing on legoscenes, the tag for the movie was #standingOnTheLittlePeople :(“

This is the second time a lawyer for a senior White House official has been tricked like this. Do these guys ever learn?

Besides the hilarious “half naked women on a trampoline” line, though, the really interesting part of this exchange is that Kushner’s lawyer seems to be saying he has not reviewed all of Kushner’s White House emails — and he previously said:

“…fewer than a hundred emails from January through August were either sent to or returned by Mr. Kushner to colleagues in the White House from his personal email account.”

So did Lowell actually make claims about Kushner’s emails without seeing them himself? You know they’re working on a way to spin this right now, and they’ll probably say Lowell was only referring to the emails with “adult content.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2017 • 11:18:01am

Do we really believe that this will have any serious consequences for this administration?

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 26, 2017 • 11:20:33am

re: #1 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Do we really believe that this will have any serious consequences for this administration?

Of course not. There’s nothing wrong with GOP officials using private email accounts for public business.//

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Charles Johnson  Sep 26, 2017 • 11:27:01am
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Kragar  Sep 26, 2017 • 11:27:06am
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danarchy  Sep 26, 2017 • 11:27:36am

To be fair their may have been a litigation search done. This is generally not done by the lawyers themselves and he may have gotten a summary with total number of emails found, without actually reading any of them.

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Kragar  Sep 26, 2017 • 11:28:35am
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Charles Johnson  Sep 26, 2017 • 11:28:58am
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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 26, 2017 • 11:30:22am

I am sure the six Trump officials lacked the criminal intent…

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2017 • 11:30:44am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

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My God more self masterbaition.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 26, 2017 • 11:32:49am
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Charles Johnson  Sep 26, 2017 • 11:34:33am
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Charles Johnson  Sep 26, 2017 • 11:35:44am
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Jay C  Sep 26, 2017 • 11:36:55am

re: #10 Charles Johnson

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Screaming “YAAAAY!!!” may be a bit much, but I think we’re entitled to a few subtle chortles…..

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2017 • 11:38:00am

re: #12 Charles Johnson

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Bastard.

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JordanRules  Sep 26, 2017 • 11:38:29am
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Belafon  Sep 26, 2017 • 11:38:56am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Pres. Trump: “Everybody in my mirror has said it’s amazing the job we’ve done in Puerto Rico.”

Fixed it for them.

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2017 • 11:39:38am

re: #10 Charles Johnson

We celebrate a victory, and prepare for the next battle.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 26, 2017 • 11:42:06am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

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As I pointed out in the previous thread, the White House didn’t even realize Trump’s press conference was with the Spanish Prime Minister, because it called him “President Rajoy.” Spain has no President; its a monarchy.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2017 • 11:42:10am

re: #15 JordanRules

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Damn good thing he was President during the Soviet blockade of Berlin. This guy.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2017 • 11:43:35am

re: #18 Big Beautiful Door

As I pointed out in the previous thread, the White House didn’t even realize Trump’s press conference was with the Spanish Prime Minister, because it called him “President Rajoy.” Spain has no President; its a monarchy.

my boss values QC- quality control on everything. I think he’d lose his mind working for these guys.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 26, 2017 • 11:44:30am
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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 26, 2017 • 11:45:12am
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Patricia Kayden  Sep 26, 2017 • 11:45:44am

re: #1 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Do we really believe that this will have any serious consequences for this administration?

Yes. Mueller is investigating all this mess. It may take some time but Trump is going down.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 26, 2017 • 11:45:51am

re: #6 Kragar

The cynicism of the GOP, especially the Senate GOP caucus and its leaders has been absolutely breathtaking. I’ve been reading Al Franken’s book, and I don’t know how he works with these people - which he does as often as it’s possible, because that’s how shit that needs to be done gets done.

One reason I’ll never trust the NeverTrumpers is that they seem perfectly fine with all of it, saying ‘McConnell is a genius as a legislative strategist’, while completely ignoring the irreparable damage he’s done to the goal of actual governance.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 26, 2017 • 11:46:51am

re: #10 Charles Johnson

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They may try to combine “repeal and replace” with tax reform, since they are both basically efforts to shovel money to billionaires. That’s the only way they can try to do it through reconciliation now before the midterms.

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bratwurst  Sep 26, 2017 • 11:47:06am
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Skip Intro  Sep 26, 2017 • 11:48:08am

re: #20 HappyWarrior

my boss values QC- quality control on everything. I think he’d lose his mind working for these guys.

You have a job?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2017 • 11:49:37am

re: #21 Stanley Sea

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They use veterans like him all the time to attack people. It’s such. Glad he spoke out.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 26, 2017 • 11:49:44am

re: #24 Blind Frog Belly White

The cynicism of the GOP, especially the Senate GOP caucus and its leaders has been absolutely breathtaking. I’ve been reading Al Franken’s book, and I don’t know how he works with these people - which he does as often as it’s possible, because that’s how shit that needs to be done gets done.

One reason I’ll never trust the NeverTrumpers is that they seem perfectly fine with all of it, saying ‘McConnell is a genius as a legislative strategist’, while completely ignoring the irreparable damage he’s done to the goal of actual governance.

McConnell has spent the last eight months doing everything he said he opposed when he claimed he wanted to restore regular order to the Senate. And he failed spectacularly, which gladdens my heart. Here’s hoping his effort at “tax reform” is as grand a failure as “repeal and replace.”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2017 • 11:50:04am

re: #27 Skip Intro

You have a job?

Yeah.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2017 • 11:50:53am

re: #26 bratwurst

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William Lewis  Sep 26, 2017 • 11:51:41am

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Skip Intro  Sep 26, 2017 • 11:52:15am

re: #30 HappyWarrior

Yeah.

So how can you be posting here 14 hours a day?

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Stanley Sea  Sep 26, 2017 • 11:54:47am

re: #32 William Lewis

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petesh  Sep 26, 2017 • 11:54:49am

re: #33 Skip Intro

So how can you be posting here 14 hours a day?

Pseudonym

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Sep 26, 2017 • 11:55:00am

re: #18 Big Beautiful Door

As I pointed out in the previous thread, the White House didn’t even realize Trump’s press conference was with the Spanish Prime Minister, because it called him “President Rajoy.” Spain has no President; its a monarchy.

The Spanish PM’s official title is Presidente del Gobierno (literally, “president of the government”). This is normally translated in English speaking countries as “prime minister” because that is the normal title for the head of a parliamentary government.
This is because parliamentary systems differentiate between heads of state and heads of government. In a parliamentary monarchy, like Spain, the monarch is head of state. In a parliamentary republic like Ireland or Israel, there is a largely ceremonial president who serves as head of state.
In the United States and most (but not all) republics, the president is both head of state and head of government.

Prime Minister of Spain
The Trumpsters will no doubt argue that they are using the true title, but they are also breaking long-standing precedent and it is not hard to believe that they do so out of ignorance.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2017 • 11:55:32am

re: #33 Skip Intro

So how can you be posting here 14 hours a day?

I telecommute.

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Kragar  Sep 26, 2017 • 11:55:53am
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Skip Intro  Sep 26, 2017 • 11:56:40am

You just can’t get the Fox out of the presenter.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2017 • 11:57:00am

re: #35 petesh

Pseudonym

I do a lot of multitasking on days I’m not in the office. I’m a legal assistant. I have time in between projects too.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2017 • 11:57:32am

re: #39 Skip Intro

You just can’t get the Fox out of the presenter.

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Ah “journalism.”

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 26, 2017 • 11:58:13am

re: #36 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

The Spanish PM’s official title is Presidente del Gobierno (literally, “president of the government”). This is normally translated in English speaking countries as “prime minister” because that is the normal title for the head of a parliamentary government.
This is because parliamentary systems differentiate between heads of state and heads of government. In a parliamentary monarchy, like Spain, the monarch is head of state. In a parliamentary republic like Ireland or Israel, there is a largely ceremonial president who serves as head of state.
In the United States and most (but not all) republics, the president is both head of state and head of government.

Prime Minister of Spain
The Trumpsters will no doubt argue that they are using the true title, but they are also breaking long-standing precedent and it is not hard to believe that they do so out of ignorance.

Thanks for the information. I did not know that, so in this one instance I will have to give the White House the benefit of the doubt.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 26, 2017 • 11:59:05am

re: #37 HappyWarrior

I telecommute.

I have a friend who telecommutes, and she is extremely happy with her job.

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Skip Intro  Sep 26, 2017 • 11:59:38am

re: #41 HappyWarrior

The WaPo has a devastating critique of her debut as a “soft” news reporter yesterday. Apparently it was a total disaster.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:00:01pm

re: #43 Big Beautiful Door

I have a friend who telecommutes, and she is extremely happy with her job.

I have times where I have to go into the office. It’s been less often lately though since there’s a couple other clerks that live closer. I like telecommuting but I do like getting out when I can.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:00:10pm

re: #39 Skip Intro

You just can’t get the Fox out of the presenter.

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OMG, I can’t believe she actually asked that.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:00:38pm

re: #44 Skip Intro

The WaPo has a devastating critique of her debut as a “soft” news reporter yesterday. Apparently it was a total disaster.

In the Style section or frontpage? I get the Post. Not surprised at all honestly.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:00:58pm

re: #46 Big Beautiful Door

OMG, I can’t believe she actually asked that.

I can given her former employer.

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Skip Intro  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:01:08pm

re: #46 Big Beautiful Door

OMG, I can’t believe she actually asked that.

This is her actual statement: “”Is it true that you became a lawyer — and you became gay — because of Will?” Kelly quipped.”

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petesh  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:02:00pm

re: #40 HappyWarrior

I do a lot of multitasking on days I’m not in the office. I’m a legal assistant. I have time in between projects too.

Oh, hey, me too. That was meant as a one-line joke, not by any means a criticism. Why, just this minute I’m … avoiding a tedious piece of proofreading. Back to it!

(Of course, my “pseudonym” is tissue-thin.)

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:02:19pm

Given that FNC had people on all the time blaming Glee for making kids either gay or accepting of gays(like that’s a terrible thing), I can’t say I’m shocked by Kelly’s question. That said, it doesn’t make it any less pathetic.

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TedStriker  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:02:32pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

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Ya know, President Trump, you have this thing called the “US Navy” at your command; within that, you have things like “hospital ships” and the “Military Sealift Command”, whose job, in part, is to respond and assist in natural disasters like this. That’s on top of what the USAF can transport, once runways that can handle their transport craft are clear.

What a fucking incompetent dolt…

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:02:49pm

re: #50 petesh

Oh, hey, me too. That was meant as a one-line joke, not by any means a criticism. Why, just this minute I’m … avoiding a tedious piece of proofreading. Back to it!

(Of course, my “pseudonym” is tissue-thin.)

Oh not offended at all. I do have a lot of free time on my hands due to my job.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:03:30pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

“I know that leaders aren’t supposed to cry…But we are having a humanitarian crisis here,”

Suck it up, snowflake!

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William Lewis  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:03:41pm

re: #34 Stanley Sea

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Skip Intro  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:05:00pm

re: #47 HappyWarrior

In the Style section or frontpage? I get the Post. Not surprised at all honestly.

NBC’s Megyn Kelly experiment unveils its latest creation, a morning-show Bride of Frankenstein

Arts and Entertainment.

washingtonpost.com

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JordanRules  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:06:02pm

So did they want a failed vote to happen orrrr?
Can they not count?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:06:06pm

re: #56 Skip Intro

NBC’s Megyn Kelly experiment unveils its latest creation, a morning-show Bride of Frankenstein

Arts and Entertainment.

washingtonpost.com

Thanks.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:07:10pm

By the way… Puerto Rico is actually not in the Atlantic Ocean. It’s in the North Caribbean Sea. A technicality, maybe, but once again Trump’s ignorance is showing.

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TedStriker  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:08:44pm

re: #59 Charles Johnson

By the way… Puerto Rico is actually not in the Atlantic Ocean. It’s in the North Caribbean Sea. A technicality, maybe, but once again Trump’s ignorance is showing.

Just one more point to prove, without a doubt, that Trump is an ignorant, incompetent moron more concerned with style than actual substance.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:08:47pm

re: #59 Charles Johnson

By the way… Puerto Rico is actually not in the Atlantic Ocean. It’s in the North Caribbean Sea. A technicality, maybe, but once again Trump’s ignorance is showing.

Nah, not at all. I was going to say though, Trump’s geography seemed off to me.

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petesh  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:08:48pm

re: #38 Kragar

Trump Breaks Down During Press Conference And Complains That All He Does Is Work

JFC cubed. And he claims that his twittering about the NFL is terribly important. Why, I remember when he said he’d have to give up golf because he’d be working so hard. Funny, that doesn’t seem to have happened.

I was at one time worried I’d get used to this moron. That’s one fear unfulfilled. Now I’m just worried I’ll stay obsessed with him. Balance is tricky.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:10:32pm

re: #43 Big Beautiful Door

I have a friend who telecommutes, and she is extremely happy with her job.

I full time telecommute.

Could not go back to the office lifestyle. Never.

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:10:48pm

re: #59 Charles Johnson

By the way… Puerto Rico is actually not in the Atlantic Ocean. It’s in the North Caribbean Sea. A technicality, maybe, but once again Trump’s ignorance is showing.

I haven’t paid enough attention to know that there was a sea there. It all looks like the Atlantic to me until you get west of Florida. I’ve only been a little interested in geography.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:11:37pm

re: #55 William Lewis

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:12:01pm

re: #57 JordanRules

So did they want a failed vote to happen orrrr?
Can they not count?

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sweet, sweet wingnut tears of impotent rage.

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Skip Intro  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:13:28pm

re: #66 Big Beautiful Door

They still have until Saturday. Don’t take your eyes off the ball just yet.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:14:02pm

re: #57 JordanRules

So did they want a failed vote to happen orrrr?
Can they not count?

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All that matters is how often you vote against ACA, I guess…

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:14:29pm

re: #2 Big Beautiful Door

Of course not. There’s nothing wrong with GOP officials using private email accounts for public business.//

The Trump people have private email accounts. Hitlery had a private email server! Innocent people use the former. Criminals use the latter.

I actually had a wingnut state this ‘defence’ at me on Facebook.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:14:32pm

ABC out front with the news and such.
Hey, they’re only like 24-48 hrs behind the rest of the industry

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makeitstop  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:15:13pm

re: #38 Kragar

Trump Breaks Down During Press Conference And Complains That All He Does Is Work

Resign, then. QED.

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:15:41pm

re: #70 FormerDirtDart

ABC out front with the news and such.
Hey, they’re only like 24-48 hrs behind the rest of the industry

Maybe they’re vetting it.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:16:24pm

re: #6 Kragar

I won’t breathe easy until Sunday. You know the GOP is perfectly capable of pulling a snap vote in the middle of the night and not telling the Democrats about it.

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Kragar  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:16:33pm
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FormerDirtDart  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:17:02pm

Odds on Trump taking credit?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:17:33pm

re: #74 Kragar

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Didn’t you bitch at Obama for golfing? And no you have North Korea and Puerto Rico on your hands, you fucking imbecile.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:17:45pm

re: #75 FormerDirtDart

Odds on Trump taking credit?

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High.

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lawhawk  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:18:29pm
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plansbandc  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:19:24pm

re: #75 FormerDirtDart

One hundred percent.

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William Lewis  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:20:57pm

re: #65 Stanley Sea

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:21:20pm

Shocked, shocked I say

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:21:44pm

re: #78 lawhawk

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So where’s Milo on this? Oh wait, he thinks free speech is only for peroxide fascists like himself?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:22:10pm

re: #81 FormerDirtDart

Shocked, shocked I say

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I’m ever so shocked. //

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ericblair  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:24:09pm

re: #69 Romantic Heretic

The Trump people have private email accounts. Hitlery had a private email server! Innocent people use the former. Criminals use the latter.

I actually had a wingnut state this ‘defence’ at me on Facebook.

Right. So, instead of putting the valuables in a safe in your basement, you put them in a locker at the bus station. Great.

I worked in secure mobile comms for the US government. I know something about this. I understand why Clinton used her own server for unclass mobile email, because the government solution at the time sucked. And when you’re at the cabinet secretary level, like an operational commander whom you would outrank, you need to be able to balance risk with the need to accomplish the mission. Obviously, she didn’t get to do that.

There’s no reason why anyone sitting in the White House would need to use a private email. It was done to avoid scrutiny, and I assume we’re going to find out why. With these assholes, you don’t have to dig very deep; they’re almost comically corrupt.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:25:18pm
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Stanley Sea  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:26:07pm

Oh so NOW they are sending the USS Comfort…..

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:26:25pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

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25,000$ safe space.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:26:43pm

re: #86 Stanley Sea

Oh so NOW they are sending the USS Comfort…..

After Hillary suggested it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:27:10pm

re: #86 Stanley Sea

Oh so NOW they are sending the USS Comfort…..

Trump asked where are all the comfort women…//

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lawhawk  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:27:14pm

re: #86 Stanley Sea

Oh so NOW they are sending the USS Comfort…..

Only took them a week to get off their asses and cut the order.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:27:35pm

re: #67 Skip Intro

They still have until Saturday. Don’t take your eyes off the ball just yet.

If McConnell can figure out how to get Murkowski and Collins on Board without losing Ted Cruz and Mike Lee in four days, he really is a legislative genius.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:29:04pm

10 ships en route.

They heard us.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:30:02pm

Glad they’re doing something but he still blows as a leader.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:30:13pm

re: #75 FormerDirtDart

Odds on Trump taking credit?

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Saudi Arabia takes tentative steps into the 20th Century, 17 years after it ended.

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makeitstop  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:32:22pm

re: #63 Stanley Sea

I full time telecommute.

Could not go back to the office lifestyle. Never.

Me, neither. I’ve been home-officing it for nearly 20 years now.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:33:09pm

re: #92 Stanley Sea

10 ships en route.

They heard us.

They should have been en route as soon as it was safe to sail after the storm…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:34:00pm

re: #95 makeitstop

Me, neither. I’ve been home-officing it for nearly 20 years now.

I work as a teacher and tour guide a few hours each week just to get out of the office and be able to interact. Doing a full-on home office thing would start to drive me a tad dippy.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:36:33pm

The Marines have their first female infantry officer. 33% of the people who were training with her washed out.

vox.com

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makeitstop  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:37:48pm

re: #97 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Full home office thing would start to drive me a tad dippy.

I get out of the house with my gigs and sessions and such. And every other day or so I run out and hit the bank and buy animal food and stuff.

But I like my commute, such as it is. If a cat crosses my path on my way into the office, I count it as a traffic jam. :)

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whitebeach  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:38:02pm

re: #86 Stanley Sea

Oh so NOW they are sending the USS Comfort…..

I believe it’s actually the USNS (not USS) Comfort. This involves some naval technicality about commissioning a ship, don’t ask me what. But Hillary got it right.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:42:35pm

‘bout time

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petesh  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:43:37pm

re: #95 makeitstop

Me, neither. I’ve been home-officing it for nearly 20 years now.

I haven’t had a “job” since 1990 that involved actually commuting. I do try hard to go to meetings in Berkeley (from Santa Cruz) at least once a month, which basically takes all day but reminds me who my most important coworkers are. I have others, on a different set of projects, I have never seen and probably never shall.

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makeitstop  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:45:49pm

Lock them up. Blumenthal says Manafort, Flynn indictments are 99% certain.

Criminal charges against two former top advisers to President Donald Trump are virtually certain, Democratic Sen. Richard Blumenthal said Tuesday.

Michael Flynn and Paul Manafort are almost sure to be indicted as a result of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s probe into Russian interference in the 2016 election, the Connecticut senator told POLITICO.

“I’m about 99 percent sure there will be some criminal charges from this investigation,” said Blumenthal, a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee. Blumenthal has also served as a U.S. attorney and spent 20 years as his state’s attorney general.

Blumenthal said he is less certain Trump himself would end up facing charges, including for possible obstruction of justice for his firing of FBI Director James Comey.

But he said that several Trump associates may find themselves under indictment.

Manafort and Flynn “are the most prominent,” he said, “but there may well be others.”

Can’t happen too soon for my liking.

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Jay C  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:46:00pm

re: #100 whitebeach

I believe it’s actually the USNS (not USS) Comfort. This involves some naval technicality about commissioning a ship, don’t ask me what. But Hillary got it right.

I think the distinction is that Comfort is not -technically- a “warship”, although operated by the US Navy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:47:53pm

re: #43 Big Beautiful Door

I have a friend who telecommutes, and she is extremely happy with her job.

I telecommute.
I’m happy with my job whenever my employer decides to actually pay me.
Which he is finally making an effort to catch up.

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William Lewis  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:48:33pm

re: #104 Jay C

I think the distinction is that Comfort is not -technically- a “warship”, although operated by the US Navy.

Nope. It’s that it’s manned by civilians.

google: usns vs uss

Commissioned vessels and craft shall be called “United States Ship” or “U.S.S.” Civilian manned ships, of the Military Sealift Command or other commands, designated “active status, in service” shall be called “United States Naval Ship” or “U.S.N.S.”

United States Ship - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org

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Skip Intro  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:52:29pm

re: #74 Kragar

Yeah but

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lawhawk  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:53:22pm

re: #104 Jay C

Via wiki:

Commissioned vessels and craft shall be called “United States Ship” or “U.S.S.” Civilian manned ships, of the Military Sealift Command or other commands, designated “active status, in service” shall be called “United States Naval Ship” or “U.S.N.S.”

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:54:17pm

re: #105 Backwoods_Sleuth

I telecommute.
I’m happy with my job whenever my employer decides to actually pay me.
Which he is finally making an effort to catch up.

Getting paid is a pretty important component of a job.

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petesh  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:56:12pm

re: #109 Big Beautiful Door

Getting paid is a pretty important component of a job.

Yeah, and chasing overdue invoices is even worse than proofreading indexes.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:57:21pm

re: #107 Skip Intro

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FFS just resign.

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lawhawk  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:58:27pm
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wrenchwench  Sep 26, 2017 • 12:58:28pm

re: #110 petesh

Yeah, and chasing overdue invoices is even worse than proofreading indexes.

And you know you’re dealing with a problem when you try to pay a supplier twice for the same invoice (as I just did).

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ObserverArt  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:00:07pm

re: #44 Skip Intro

The WaPo has a devastating critique of her debut as a “soft” news reporter yesterday. Apparently it was a total disaster.

I saw a story with the headline “Megyn Kelly is done with politics” at Yahoo news.

Good luck with that Megyn. You may be done with it, but a whole hell of a lot of people are going to remember your Fox wingnut crazed reporting. You’ll never wash off the Fox grime.

Sucks to be you!

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:01:33pm

re: #114 ObserverArt

But at least her Santa Claus is white!

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Stanley Sea  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:02:05pm

re: #112 lawhawk

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He’s seen things.

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ObserverArt  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:03:52pm

re: #52 TedStriker

Ya know, President Trump, you have this thing called the “US Navy” at your command; within that, you have things like “hospital ships” and the “Military Sealift Command”, whose job, in part, is to respond and assist in natural disasters like this. That’s on top of what the USAF can transport, once runways that can handle their transport craft are clear.

What a fucking incompetent dolt…

Donnie, you’re doing a heck of a job.

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lawhawk  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:06:37pm
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Belafon  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:06:44pm

“The president of Puerto Rico never called. I didn’t know he needed anything.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:06:54pm

re: #74 Kragar

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“plenty of time on his hands” but he “works too much”.

feckin loser.

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MsJ  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:09:06pm

re: #103 makeitstop

Lock them up. Blumenthal says Manafort, Flynn indictments are 99% certain.

Can’t happen too soon for my liking.

Worthless unless they can’t be pardoned.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:09:52pm

I expect the Pittsburgh Pirates, remembering their legendary Puerto Rican hero, to jump into this big-time:

“Clemente spent much of his time during the off-season involved in charity work. When Managua, the capital city of Nicaragua, was affected by a massive earthquake on December 23, 1972, Clemente (who visited Managua three weeks before the quake) immediately set to work arranging emergency relief flights.[62] He soon learned, however, that the aid packages on the first three flights had been diverted by corrupt officials of the Somoza government, never reaching victims of the quake.[63] He decided to accompany the fourth relief flight, hoping that his presence would ensure that the aid would be delivered to the survivors.[64] The airplane he chartered for a New Year’s Eve flight, a Douglas DC-7 cargo plane, had a history of mechanical problems and subpar flight personnel, and was overloaded by 4,200 pounds.[65] It crashed into the Atlantic Ocean off the coast of Isla Verde, Puerto Rico immediately after takeoff on December 31, 1972 due to engine failure.[66] A few days after the crash, the body of the pilot and part of the fuselage of the plane were found. An empty flight case apparently belonging to Clemente was the only personal item recovered from the plane. Clemente’s teammate and close friend Manny Sanguillén was the only member of the Pirates not to attend Roberto’s memorial service. The Pirates catcher chose instead to dive into the waters where Clemente’s plane had crashed in an effort to find his teammate. The bodies of Clemente and three others who were also on the four-engine plane, were never recovered.[66] Montreal Expos pitcher Tom Walker, then playing winter league ball in Puerto Rico (in a league later named after Clemente), helped Clemente load the plane, but either because of the plane’s weight load or because he wanted Walker, who was single, to go enjoy New Year’s,[67] Clemente told him not to join him on the flight.

en.wikipedia.org

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:10:35pm

re: #121 MsJ

Worthless unless they can’t be pardoned.

If they are pardoned, they can’t plead the Fifth, and can be compelled to testify.

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:11:19pm

Hmmm…

Several dozen conservative Catholic scholars and clergy have charged Pope Francis with spreading heresy, a bold but perhaps futile salvo against Francis and his reform-minded papacy.

The widely publicized, theologically dense letter was delivered to the Pope with 40 signatures on August 11, according to its organizers. It has since gained 22 more signatures and was released to the public on Saturday. In a press release, the organizers say they speak for “a large number” of clergy and lay Catholics who “lack freedom of speech.”

The letter does not accuse the Pope himself of being a heretic, but of supporting “heretical positions” on “marriage, the moral life and the Eucharist.”
..
Specifically, the letter charges Francis with promoting seven “heresies,” most notably through his openness to allowing some divorced and remarried Catholics to receive Holy Communion.
..
A press release accompanying the letter calls it an “epoch-making act,” with no precedent since 1333. That may be true, Catholic historians say, but likely overstates the letter’s actual significance. A number of the signees are members of a traditionalist group that has already broken away from the Catholic Church.

Conservatives are too full of themselves everywhere.

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:12:07pm

re: #121 MsJ

Worthless unless they can’t be pardoned.

They’re indicted, Trump pardons them, they then become witnesses against Trump because they have to testify. They admitted guilt.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:12:20pm

re: #84 ericblair

Right. So, instead of putting the valuables in a safe in your basement, you put them in a locker at the bus station. Great.

That made me LOL!

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makeitstop  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:15:16pm

re: #121 MsJ

Worthless unless they can’t be pardoned.

Disagree.

Two top aides being indicted will cast a pall across the entire administration.

Five or six aides under indictment? Lamest of all lame ducks. His cult followers might not think much of it, but the ‘reasonable middle’ will be disgusted.

Every Dem campaign ad will contain some variation of the words ‘scandal-ridden Trump administration.’ Don’t underestimate that.

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MsJ  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:16:52pm

re: #123 Big Beautiful Door

If they are pardoned, they can’t plead the Fifth, and can be compelled to testify.

By whom, Sessions DOJ? You’re speaking like there are rules and shit. There aren’t. Well, at least for those fuckers.

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:17:16pm

re: #128 MsJ

By whom, Sessions DOJ? You’re speaking like there are rules and shit. There aren’t. Well, at least for those fuckers.

The Senate. The House.

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makeitstop  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:18:28pm

Spicer lawyers up.

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lawhawk  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:19:37pm
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ObserverArt  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:20:28pm

re: #68 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

All that matters is how often you vote against ACA, I guess…

It’s a show. They have to show their wingnut backers they are doing their bestest and trying their hardest.

But the real important part is they want everyone accounted for in a vote so they can have those same wingnuts know who to attack.

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MsJ  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:21:13pm

re: #127 makeitstop

Disagree.

Two top aides being indicted will cast a pall across the entire administration.

Five or six aides under indictment? Lamest of all lame ducks. His cult followers might not think much of it, but the ‘reasonable middle’ will be disgusted.

Every Dem campaign ad will contain some variation of the words ‘scandal-ridden Trump administration.’ Don’t underestimate that.

Not to be Debbie Downer but…so? The goddamned religious folk are supporting the pussy grabber in chief. He said “Son of a Bitch” during an official comment. He could shoot someone and get away with it.

I reiterate, so? He’ll pardon and they’ll blow it off. We are not in normal times.

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:22:30pm

re: #133 MsJ

Also, Mueller can call them to testify and the can’t refuse.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:23:07pm

re: #128 MsJ

By whom, Sessions DOJ? You’re speaking like there are rules and shit. There aren’t. Well, at least for those fuckers.

Mueller. And if Trump fires him, it will create a political firestorm which generates a Democratic wave. So go ahead, Trump; make my day.

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whitebeach  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:23:33pm

re: #129 Belafon

The Senate. The House.

Thanks. Had a rough past few days and really needed a good laugh.

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MsJ  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:23:56pm

re: #129 Belafon

The Senate. The House.

Both in republican hands.

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lawhawk  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:24:27pm

re: #127 makeitstop

Disagree.

Two top aides being indicted will cast a pall across the entire administration.

Five or six aides under indictment? Lamest of all lame ducks. His cult followers might not think much of it, but the ‘reasonable middle’ will be disgusted.

Every Dem campaign ad will contain some variation of the words ‘scandal-ridden Trump administration.’ Don’t underestimate that.

Every Democratic campaign from now til the end of time should cast the GOP as awful - that they denied Garland a vote, are busy seating extremist judges whose views are out of even mainstream GOP consideration, and are busy gutting the safety net so that rich people get bigger tax cuts.

All the while, the GOP refused to stop Trump and his cronies. The GOP enabled Trump to run roughshod over the Constitution and federal law. They refused to hold his admin accountable for violating all manner of federal law and the Constitution. From refusing to revoke security clearances for perjurers/liars like Sessions and Kushner to constant violations of the Emoluments Clause.

The entire Trump admin is a poster child of what happens when people don’t vote or fall for the both sides are bad or that someone with no actual experience is now facing multiple crises (many of his own making) and can’t handle any of them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:24:59pm

re: #109 Big Beautiful Door

Getting paid is a pretty important component of a job.

indeed

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:25:25pm

re: #59 Charles Johnson

By the way… Puerto Rico is actually not in the Atlantic Ocean. It’s in the North Caribbean Sea. A technicality, maybe, but once again Trump’s ignorance is showing.

Which if he had been actually talking to the Navy command about situational needs for the area would have probably come up a couple times during the conversation.

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ObserverArt  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:26:37pm

re: #73 Romantic Heretic

I won’t breathe easy until Sunday. You know the GOP is perfectly capable of pulling a snap vote in the middle of the night and not telling the Democrats about it.

I agree somewhat, but there is also this thing called diminishing returns. They are already looking pretty foolish. The polling numbers are against them, and too many more attempts just make them look desperate in the face of America trying to tell them they want the ACA fixed up like it should be with the help of both parties.

With Trump in office, the GOP politicians really do need to consider the upcoming elections. None of this is helping. And Trump is going to hurt them too.

I’d love to hear the backroom talk from Mitch and Paulie.

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:26:41pm

re: #137 MsJ

Both in republican hands.

Your timeframe is too short.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:27:14pm

re: #69 Romantic Heretic

The Trump people have private email accounts. Hitlery had a private email server! Innocent people use the former. Criminals use the latter.

I actually had a wingnut state this ‘defence’ at me on Facebook.

So much better, an account on a server SOMEONE ELSE OWNS AND ADMINISTERS.

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Nyet  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:29:01pm

Have watched The Void, a nice little pseudo-Lovecraftian flick made on a budget of ~80k. (I could hardly believe it).

It’s not a masterpiece by any measure, but it’s worth watching once.

The Void Trailer #1 (2017) Horror Movie HD

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:29:06pm

re: #122 Decatur Deb

I remember when that happened.
Was a terrible day.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:29:44pm

AUTOMATIC. BLOCKING. FUNCTION. TRIGGERED.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:30:11pm

Interestingly, so have mine.

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makeitstop  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:30:24pm

re: #133 MsJ

Not to be Debbie Downer but…so? The goddamned religious folk are supporting the pussy grabber in chief. He said “Son of a Bitch” during an official comment. He could shoot someone and get away with it.

I reiterate, so? He’ll pardon and they’ll blow it off. We are not in normal times.

Sorry, I’m one of those Lizards who refuses to give in to fatalism.

That’s what Trump wants, and I’ll die before I give it to him.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:30:53pm

re: #146 The Vicious Babushka

AUTOMATIC. BLOCKING. FUNCTION. TRIGGERED.

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It’s like a living parody.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:32:18pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

“Pruitt, who has become a polarizing and high-profile figure as he seeks to roll back Obama-era policies and shrink the EPA’s footprint, has essentially tripled the personal security detail that served past administrators. The detail now includes about 18 people to cover round-the-clock needs and his frequent travel schedule. Such 24/7 coverage has prompted officials to rotate in special agents from around the country who otherwise would be investigating environmental crimes.

How convenient…

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ObserverArt  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:32:35pm

re: #84 ericblair

…With these assholes, you don’t have to dig very deep; they’re almost comically corrupt.

That is the important point.

I think they were so used to their grift for so long they became accustomed to thinking they could con anyone at any time.

I’m hoping their arrogance and foolishness ends up with the whole family ruined and hopefully charged for corruption and racketeering.

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:33:05pm

re: #149 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s like a living parody.

I think that one lapped a parody and is doing donuts in the grass.

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darthstar  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:33:16pm

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Renaissance_Man  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:33:27pm

re: #138 lawhawk

Every Democratic campaign from now til the end of time should cast the GOP as awful - that they denied Garland a vote, are busy seating extremist judges whose views are out of even mainstream GOP consideration, and are busy gutting the safety net so that rich people get bigger tax cuts.

All the while, the GOP refused to stop Trump and his cronies. The GOP enabled Trump to run roughshod over the Constitution and federal law. They refused to hold his admin accountable for violating all manner of federal law and the Constitution. From refusing to revoke security clearances for perjurers/liars like Sessions and Kushner to constant violations of the Emoluments Clause.

The entire Trump admin is a poster child of what happens when people don’t vote or fall for the both sides are bad or that someone with no actual experience is now facing multiple crises (many of his own making) and can’t handle any of them.

Democratic campaigns can say this all they like. While the US media remains controlled by the far right and dancing to their tune, Americans will only hear about kneeling controversies, Her Emails, or the talking head scandal du jour.

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darthstar  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:36:14pm
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bratwurst  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:38:46pm

This has been bouncing around for a few days now, so I apologize if you have already seen it here or elsewhere…but have to post it now in case you haven’t. This is the account of a published author who has been researching a book on the USFL for two years and vouches for the authenticity of this:

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Interesting Times  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:39:03pm
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ObserverArt  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:41:28pm

re: #127 makeitstop

Disagree.

Two top aides being indicted will cast a pall across the entire administration.

Five or six aides under indictment? Lamest of all lame ducks. His cult followers might not think much of it, but the ‘reasonable middle’ will be disgusted.

Every Dem campaign ad will contain some variation of the words ‘scandal-ridden Trump administration.’ Don’t underestimate that.

I think it might even force some of the GOP to really push him to resign. He may not be indicted or impeached, but the stink on him is going to be so high the GOP knows he is an anchor around their party.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:42:13pm

re: #124 Belafon

Hmmm…

Conservatives are too full of themselves everywhere.

Specifically, the letter charges Francis with promoting seven “heresies,” most notably through his openness to allowing some divorced and remarried Catholics to receive Holy Communion.

I’m squinting at Newt and Callista…

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whitebeach  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:42:34pm

re: #154 Renaissance_Man

Democratic campaigns can say this all they like. While the US media remains controlled by the far right and dancing to their tune, Americans will only hear about kneeling controversies, Her Emails, or the talking head scandal du jour.

This. The bitter freakin truth.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:47:33pm

re: #158 ObserverArt

I think it might even force some of the GOP to really push him to resign. He may not be indicted or impeached, but the stink on him is going to be so high the GOP knows he is an anchor around their party.

Thy have a tiger by the tail. If they turn on Trump their own base will be outraged at them, as he is far more popular with them than they are.

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ObserverArt  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:50:27pm

re: #148 makeitstop

Sorry, I’m one of those Lizards who refuses to give in to fatalism.

That’s what Trump wants, and I’ll die before I give it to him.

Me too.

And, I’m not going to say anymore other than some thought the ACA would be gone by now and it is still standing.

I guess we should have tossed up our hands three months ago.

The left is always its own worst enemy. If there could be some real banding together and rolling out heavily to vote, the Republicans would not have the Presidency and might not have the Senate.

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darthstar  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:52:06pm
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ObserverArt  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:54:21pm

re: #154 Renaissance_Man

Democratic campaigns can say this all they like. While the US media remains controlled by the far right and dancing to their tune, Americans will only hear about kneeling controversies, Her Emails, or the talking head scandal du jour.

Are you ever hopeful?

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darthstar  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:54:23pm

re: #148 makeitstop

Sorry, I’m one of those Lizards who refuses to give in to fatalism.

That’s what Trump wants, and I’ll die before I give it to him.

Personally, I’d like to know the fucker is going to rot in prison…or at least his son, daughter, and son-in-law. Bring his fucking dynasty down. Let Tiffany take what’s left and rename everything Maples…just to fuck with the old man she hates.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 26, 2017 • 1:59:24pm

oh dear…

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JordanRules  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:01:18pm

re: #154 Renaissance_Man

This!!!

And I don’t think there is anything we can do about it quickly enough for the next couple of elections.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:02:19pm
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Belafon  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:04:08pm

re: #162 ObserverArt

I thought this was a good diary, The Democrats saved your health care. Again.

The Republicans made one more effort to repeal Obamacare, and take health insurance, and thus health care, from tens of millions of Americans. And failed. Again. And most of the attention will go to the failure of Trump and the Republican congressional “leadership” to enact their toxic agenda despite full control of government. And that is a big part of the story. The Republicans are too incompetent to inflict the full damage they intend. But there is an even bigger part of the story.

The Democrats haven’t wavered in protecting Obamacare. Republicans couldn’t peel off even one Democratic vote. That speaks to the leadership of Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer, and it also proves once again that even the worst Democratic members of Congress are paradigmatically better than even the least worst Republicans. No one should be allowed to forget that. And we all owe the Democrats our gratitude.

The Republicans will inevitably attempt to revivify their zombie efforts, but this current process is over. Because the Democrats refused to budge. And now Democrats can ramp up the conversation about how to improve Obamacare and put us on the path toward a full single-payer national healthcare system that affordably provides quality access to everyone.

The Democrats in states Trump won should really be commended. But the comments in the article include “No, three Republicans defeated it” and “Jimmy Kimmel defeated it” and “The Democrats did virtually nothing.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:08:30pm

but pay no attention to the pepes, nazis and white supremacists…

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ObserverArt  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:08:36pm

Well that’s that. No hope for Democrats in the future. Might as well not vote ever again. I think I’ll get rid of my link to Rob Portman’s contact form as well as some other senate people. I’m going to unsubscribe to the Ohio and National Democratic party too. No need.

It’s over man…

Time to go…

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Charles Johnson  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:08:53pm
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MsJ  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:09:14pm

re: #148 makeitstop

Sorry, I’m one of those Lizards who refuses to give in to fatalism.

That’s what Trump wants, and I’ll die before I give it to him.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m not giving in. I’m making statements as to how I see things.

That doesn’t mean we give up. It doesn’t mean we stop. It means we have to fight harder (and dirtier).

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:10:29pm

re: #169 Belafon

I thought this was a good diary, The Democrats saved your health care. Again.

The Democrats in states Trump won should really be commended. But the comments in the article include “No, three Republicans defeated it” and “Jimmy Kimmel defeated it” and “The Democrats did virtually nothing.”

That’s ignoring that the Democratic caucus put up a united front. Even Manchin was on the right side of the issue.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:10:34pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:10:44pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:11:22pm

re: #176 Backwoods_Sleuth

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TBH the harassment is part of why I’m reluctant to join.

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Nyet  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:12:58pm

It’s not complicated, Twitter. You threaten world leaders (or anyone) with death? Your avatar has a swastika and your background image Hitler? Automatic ban. Bam.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:13:15pm

re: #171 ObserverArt

Well that’s that. No hope for Democrats in the future. Might as well not vote ever again. I think I’ll get rid of my link to Rob Portman’s contact form as well as some other senate people. I’m going to unsubscribe to the Ohio and National Democratic party too. No need.

It’s over man…

Time to go…

We might as well just take off and nuke it from orbit.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:13:32pm

re: #169 Belafon

I thought this was a good diary, The Democrats saved your health care. Again.

The Democrats in states Trump won should really be commended. But the comments in the article include “No, three Republicans defeated it” and “Jimmy Kimmel defeated it” and “The Democrats did virtually nothing.”

Well, I can’t really call Manchin a hero for opposing a bill that would’ve devastated his state and that was toxic with voters; it was a no-brainer. Especially since the GOP made absolutely no effort whatsoever to win over Democrats. If he was stupid enough to vote for that, he might was well switch parties like his governor did.

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ObserverArt  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:15:51pm

re: #169 Belafon

I thought this was a good diary, The Democrats saved your health care. Again.

The Democrats in states Trump won should really be commended. But the comments in the article include “No, three Republicans defeated it” and “Jimmy Kimmel defeated it” and “The Democrats did virtually nothing.”

Pathetic. I wonder who some of those commenters wanted as the Democratic candidate?

Sometimes being a Democrat is just not fun.

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Nyet  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:16:44pm

re: #178 Nyet

It’s not complicated, Twitter. You threaten world leaders (or anyone) with death? Your avatar has a swastika and your background image Hitler? Automatic ban. Bam.

PS: same goes for people with images of Mao and Stalin of course.

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:16:57pm

re: #180 Big Beautiful Door

Well, I can’t really call Manchin a hero for opposing a bill that would’ve devastated his state and that was toxic with voters; it was a no-brainer. Especially since the GOP made absolutely no effort whatsoever to win over Democrats. If he was stupid enough to vote for that, he might was well switch parties like his governor did.

Why not? “I can’t call a doctor a hero for saving that boy’s life because it was his job.” If no-brainers always happened we wouldn’t have Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:17:30pm

re: #181 ObserverArt

Pathetic. I wonder who some of those commenters wanted as the Democratic candidate?

Sometimes being a Democrat is just not fun.

It’s frustrating. The Democratic Party isn’t perfect but it’s the best bulwark we have against Trump. and I think they have all things considered done a good job.

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whitebeach  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:17:54pm

re: #171 ObserverArt

Well that’s that. No hope for Democrats in the future. Might as well not vote ever again. I think I’ll get rid of my link to Rob Portman’s contact form as well as some other senate people. I’m going to unsubscribe to the Ohio and National Democratic party too. No need.

It’s over man…

Time to go…

Spare us the melodrama. Just because lots of Dems, including lots right here, can take a clear look at some of the problems we face (such as the slide of the media toward rightwing circushood) doesn’t mean we’re giving up. I haven’t seen anybody calling you out for wearing rose-tinted glasses, so how about you quit implying we’re defeatists?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:18:25pm

re: #182 Nyet

PS: same goes for people with images of Mao and Stalin of course.

Or anything with the KKK or any white supremacist party or movement too.

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Nyet  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:20:15pm

re: #186 HappyWarrior

Or anything with the KKK or any white supremacist party or movement too.

Then again they have just made a rule exemption specifically for Trump. So…

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:22:55pm

re: #187 Nyet

Then again they have just made a rule exemption specifically for Trump. So…

True.They really do need to do something though.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:23:10pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:24:10pm

Already hearing from the whacked out “freeze peach” crowd that Twitter should just let Nazis run wild.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:24:41pm

re: #181 ObserverArt

Pathetic. I wonder who some of those commenters wanted as the Democratic candidate?

Sometimes being a Democrat is just not fun.

Nowadays, it’s not much fun being a thoughtful and reasonable American.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:24:43pm

re: #189 Charles Johnson

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If you’re that interested in what Nazis have to say, you can stick to gab.ai like the rest of the freaks.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:25:24pm

re: #182 Nyet

PS: same goes for people with images of Mao and Stalin of course.

Especially those with anime versions of Hitler, Mao & Stalin.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:25:29pm

re: #190 Charles Johnson

Already hearing from the whacked out “freeze peach” crowd that Twitter should just let Nazis run wild.

Because it’s a public utility and they have a fundamental right to social media.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:25:32pm

re: #191 Backwoods_Sleuth

Nowadays, it’s not much fun being a thoughtful and reasonable American.

OTOH, if it was fun…everyone would be doing it.

hey…WAIT JUST A MINUTE!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:25:55pm

re: #195 Backwoods_Sleuth

OTOH, if it was fun…everyone would be doing it.

hey…WAIT JUST A MINUTE!

MAFA: Make America Fun Again

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:26:31pm

re: #195 Backwoods_Sleuth

OTOH, if it was fun…everyone would be doing it.

hey…WAIT JUST A MINUTE!

LOL

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Nyet  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:26:35pm

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:27:27pm
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CongoJack  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:27:48pm

re: #189 Charles Johnson

Ya know. I’m curious how Facebook and Twitter will handle the bots and fake troll accounts (this has been in my head for awhile - as someone who does not do either FB or Twitter). What if the bulk of accounts and usage was done by bots and only a facade of real people to prop it up (willing or not - more likely not). Thus FB and Twitter’s business model must prioritize and keep those bots safe because if it were found out that so many people on their sites were “fake” their social empires would crumble. Thus they have a vested state in keeping those bots there and active.

That only works to Russia’s and any other rat fuckers interest. Social media - may be the biggest evil of them all.

(I’m now off my soap box).

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:27:55pm

Facebook is pretty damn weak on their enforcement as well.

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JordanRules  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:28:34pm

re: #171 ObserverArt

I’m preemptively and retroactively respecting Democrats because we didn’t lose last time, it was rigged and nothing has changed. So I’m always going to point out these realities especially when folks start on with the Dems should have done this or that or need to do this or that.

You can do everything right and still lose. So then I ask why and sometimes I want to focus on fixing or at least highlighting that. We have, in many cases, foreign empowered, propaganda at play here in a big way and to ignore that like we aren’t just as susceptible to it’s dangers as every other country hints at a bit of American exceptionalism. Vote harder and register more is not always going to be enough when the game is rigged.

I fight every fight but I’m not going to act like the whole damn thing is not especially fraught with unique and systemic difficulties that align pretty well with the fight I was born into by virtue of my skin color. So yes, we have to address the Fox in the room that is dancing with the Elephant. That Elephant has been in the room since America started and has never been properly reckoned with.

And I am certainly going to toast one tonight for saving Ocare once again! Woot! I made 15 calls over 2+ weeks and talked a bunch of others into calling as well (at least I hope some of them did as they said). That will not stop. I would like to talk about how we stop Fox sometime.

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:30:11pm

The thing about standing with Schumer and Pelosi is this: When election time comes around, Republicans will say “Joe voted with Pelosi 95% of the time” and Republicans who are glad they have their health care will nod their heads gravely and wonder why he should still be in office.

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Renaissance_Man  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:30:45pm

re: #164 ObserverArt

Are you ever hopeful?

Frequently. Usually even.

But I try not to believe in imaginary things. Things such as chemtrails, UFOs, and the good faith of the power structure of the United States.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:31:00pm

re: #183 Belafon

Why not? “I can’t call a doctor a hero for saving that boy’s life because it was his job.” If no-brainers always happened we wouldn’t have Trump.

He did the bare minimum; don’t vote for a bill that kills your constituents. Its like congratulating him on not showing up at a townhall with an automatic rifle to mow them down.

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EPR-radar  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:31:46pm

re: #185 whitebeach

Spare us the melodrama. Just because lots of Dems, including lots right here, can take a clear look at some of the problems we face (such as the slide of the media toward rightwing circushood) doesn’t mean we’re giving up. I haven’t seen anybody calling you out for wearing rose-tinted glasses, so how about you quit implying we’re defeatists?

The Republicans are a cancer on the nation and the both-siderist majority of the media is the quack woo ‘cancer cure’ that just makes the condition worse. Meanwhile, tr*mp is the fist-sized tumor in the neck that is an imminent mortal threat, and the both-siderists are puling about ‘economic anxiety’ among his depraved supporters instead of agreeing (finally) that carving out the tumor that’s the greatest imminent threat might be a good idea.

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CongoJack  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:32:43pm

re: #202 JordanRules

I would like to talk about how we stop Fox sometime.

1. Fairness Doctrine
2. Non-governmental watchdog group for journalistic ethics that has a carrot/stick
3. More freaking education for the slack-jawed masses.
4. The current older generation dying out (sad to say).
5. Remove monopolistic control from media.
6. Repeal the 1990s Telecommunications Act that allowed all the different types of media to fornicate with each other.

My 2 dollars and nickel.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:33:50pm

re: #207 CongoJack

Nice and neat. Can’t disagree.

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:33:55pm

re: #205 Big Beautiful Door

Are you this guy:

<¬.¬> Wow. So impress. Very amaze. Such admire.

The democrats did the minimum of the minimum, guys. Eh, remember that time when Congress didn’t default on the debt? And we all applauded this great accomplishment? Also not a single airplane fell today! Airline companies deserve a medal!

It’s already hard enough not to tell people how obvious it was that this bill was dead before people knew it even existed, I’ve witnessed a week of constant self-fuelled panic akin to scare tactics, and I can’t say a word about it on the off-chance that this complete frenzy somehow did influence any of those republican senators.

Because again, sorry, the GOP’s civil war made another predictable victim all by itself. I’m more than willing to pat democrats for denouncing the thing and mounting the opposition against it, but at some point let’s also recognize that it’s their darn job. So yay for them.

Breaking news, Trump hasn’t yet bombed North Korea. We should reelect the guy, he is so great.

No, he really didn’t do the bare minimum. He stood against Republicans in a state that has been willing to elect people that will destroy their state.

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EPR-radar  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:34:11pm

re: #205 Big Beautiful Door

He did the bare minimum; don’t vote for a bill that kills your constituents. Its like congratulating him on not showing up at a townhall with an automatic rifle to mow them down.

Not wanting to murder your constituents puts one right about at the 50th percentile in the Senate.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:36:02pm

Re-opening registration with new restraints on posting LGF Pages - have to be registered for at least 24 hours, and if you try before that I get an email notification so I can check out what’s up with that account.

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JordanRules  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:36:21pm

re: #207 CongoJack

Thank you! That’s a good list that I’m going to start bringing up in my email groups more and see what their thoughts are.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:36:32pm

Although, I was under the impression that the Fairness Doctrine only applied to broadcast and radio.

If that’s the case, then cable needs to be included.

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Nyet  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:36:34pm

re: #211 Charles Johnson

Has there been a bot infestation?

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:37:28pm

Also, I’m pretty much for doing the things that nudge politicians in the right direction.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:37:35pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:37:37pm

re: #214 Nyet

Has there been a bot infestation?

Bunch of pages with spam posted the other day. Hundreds.

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whitebeach  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:38:10pm

re: #207 CongoJack

1. Fairness Doctrine
2. Non-governmental watchdog group for journalistic ethics that has a carrot/stick
3. More freaking education for the slack-jawed masses.
4. The current older generation dying out (sad to say).
5. Remove monopolistic control from media.
6. Repeal the 1990s Telecommunications Act that allowed all the different types of media to fornicate with each other.

My 2 dollars and nickel.

Those are all viable potential cures, or at least partial cures, but none will come soon or easy. Actually the thing that has worked best so far is boycotting or threatening to boycott advertisers. We need to organize in such a way as to give that tactic serious teeth.

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:38:23pm

Totally OT:

Some folks may remember that back in March I lost a good friend. He led a singular life so his sickness wasn’t a complete surprise. He likely already knew before the diagnosis, then fought in his particularly obstinate way. Still, it is never easy. He married my oldest, dearest friend in February, about a month before he died. They had been together like 15 years. She is still here.

As I wrote last week in “What’s Normal”, while sitting around during Irma, I had lots of time to muse about stuff. I thought you’d like to meet these two through the speech I didn’t actually give. At the time, I couldn’t…

Eulogy for a pair

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Charles Johnson  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:38:29pm

re: #214 Nyet

Has there been a bot infestation?

Yes, we had a crazy attack yesterday by Indian spammers who managed to post more that 450 pages before I could get them all shut down.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:38:29pm

re: #211 Charles Johnson

Re-opening registration with new restraints on posting LGF Pages - have to be registered for at least 24 hours, and if you try before that I get an email notification so I can check out what’s up with that account.

Probably not a bad idea to get a notification on the first page posted by any account just to catch sandbaggers.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:39:20pm

re: #211 Charles Johnson

Well, if those spammers from India (I think that’s what was mentioned) show back up, perhaps we can get some free Windows tech support.

Those are always fun phone calls.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:39:24pm

re: #221 goddamnedfrank

Good idea, I’ll throw that in there too.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:40:33pm

re: #210 EPR-radar

Not wanting to murder your constituents puts one right about at the 50th percentile in the Senate.

That is true. Manchin is a Democrat, which automatically makes him better than at least 94% of the Republican Senators. If there had been some big push to secure Manchin’s vote for “repeal and replace” and it actually cost him something to vote against it, I’d give him kudos for that. But the fact is that the GOP made no effort to woo him, the bills were incredibly unpopular, and they would’ve devastated his state. He deserves credit for being a Democrat, but this wasn’t a hard vote for him.

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Nyet  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:40:59pm

re: #217 GlutenFreeJesus

Wow.

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CongoJack  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:42:04pm

re: #213 alloutofcrazyhere

Correct. It only applied to “over the air” commons. Cable, since it is paid for does not need to meet those requirements. But its has changed once. At one time on cable you could see a pair of breasts. The reason was that it was not an open ended connection to all (commons, broadcast TV) and was paid for. This line over the last 20 years has eroded. No longer can you say certain words on cable (that you could at one time do), and no longer can you turn to a channel and see porn. Since that line as eroded it may be worth a shot to see if cable and all technological infrastructure can be labeled the “commons” then it would come under the protection and regulation of the Federal Government.

My degree is in Poli Sci and Media Studies (mix of journalism and communications)… and by dog these are my 2 favorite things to talk about :D.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:45:43pm
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Nyet  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:45:52pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:46:19pm
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VegasGolfer  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:46:44pm

twitter and its shareholders will do nothing if they continue to make money even if the platform they give to trump ends up killing millions of people.

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Nyet  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:51:13pm

re: #228 Nyet

This dude’s avi reminds me of Michael Tracey’s old one. Needless to say…

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TedStriker  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:51:28pm

re: #81 FormerDirtDart

Shocked, shocked I say

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Scratch a hardcore Trumper, find a racist bigot.

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EPR-radar  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:51:39pm

re: #207 CongoJack

1. Fairness Doctrine
2. Non-governmental watchdog group for journalistic ethics that has a carrot/stick
3. More freaking education for the slack-jawed masses.
4. The current older generation dying out (sad to say).
5. Remove monopolistic control from media.
6. Repeal the 1990s Telecommunications Act that allowed all the different types of media to fornicate with each other.

My 2 dollars and nickel.

These would all be steps in the right direction, but the real issues here seem deeper to me. What really causes nearly half the electorate in a democracy to willfully choose stupidity over reason, and how on Earth can they be convinced to be more rational?

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Nyet  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:51:58pm

re: #232 TedStriker

Scratch a hardcore Trumper, find a racist bigot.

Mostly works in the other direction too.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:53:44pm

re: #232 TedStriker

Don’t have to scratch too hard.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:53:58pm

re: #234 Nyet

Mostly works in the other direction too.

Yep.

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TedStriker  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:55:56pm

re: #234 Nyet

Mostly works in the other direction too.

Agreed.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:57:25pm

re: #219 dangerman

That was beautiful

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Timothy Watson  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:59:11pm

re: #4 Kragar

Trump explains difficulty of PR logistics: “This is a thing called the Atlantic Ocean. This is tough stuff.”

Wait until he hears about the Pacific, it’s even yuger.

I seem to recall a war movie, maybe Tora, Tora, Tora, where an admiral calls the Atlantic a pothole (or something) compared to the Pacific.

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2017 • 2:59:57pm

re: #233 EPR-radar

These would all be steps in the right direction, but the real issues here seem deeper to me. What really causes nearly half the electorate in a democracy to willfully choose stupidity over reason, and how on Earth can they be convinced to be more rational?

critical thinking skills.

and i would be super clear while going further: “reason” and “rational” do not mean “agree with me”. the way a lot of people toss it around. “if only you’d listen, or read this, you’d understand and you’d see the light.”

I don’t care about your politics or your political affiliations. It’s not your position or who you vote for. I dont care who you vote for. I care how you decide who and what to vote for.

it’s how you develop that position, how you make your evaluations and decisions. The process - the critical thinking, in gathering info, acceptance of what you hear and see, that is more of a window on who you are (and aren’t) than anything else

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Stanley Sea  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:00:36pm
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JordanRules  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:00:45pm
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ObserverArt  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:01:02pm

re: #185 whitebeach

Spare us the melodrama. Just because lots of Dems, including lots right here, can take a clear look at some of the problems we face (such as the slide of the media toward rightwing circushood) doesn’t mean we’re giving up. I haven’t seen anybody calling you out for wearing rose-tinted glasses, so how about you quit implying we’re defeatists?

If I were to take your comment the way you seem to take mine, then I am being labeled as not seeing things clearly and a polyanna.

That is quite the assumption.

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Nyet  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:02:23pm

re: #241 Stanley Sea

express your ideas concisely (1/47)

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:02:33pm

re: #238 Stanley Sea

That was beautiful

thank you.
when it all came to me in that burst at that time in that place, and i got it down (on a phone!) with minimal editing, i knew it was “right”

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:02:51pm

re: #209 Belafon

Are you this guy:

No, he really didn’t do the bare minimum. He stood against Republicans in a state that has been willing to elect people that will destroy their state.

I will add that the Republicans who decided not to murder their constituents deserve credit for that, but even for them it shouldn’t be that hard a vote. The ones who were willing to vote for absolutely anything the GOP leadership put in front of them, otoh, don’t even clear the bare minimum of what we should expect from our elected representatives.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:03:49pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

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Now Trump can spew twice the amount of hatred, threats and lies. Oh joy!!

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:03:56pm

re: #239 Timothy Watson

Wait until he hears about the Pacific, it’s even yuger.

I seem to recall a war movie, maybe Tora, Tora, Tora, where an admiral calls the Atlantic a pothole (or something) compared to the Pacific.

Who knew that the Pacific was that large????

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Kragar  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:04:27pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:05:04pm
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Belafon  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:05:15pm

re: #248 Big Beautiful Door

Who knew that the Pacific was that large????

“Every map I’ve seen has a Left Pacific and Right Pacific. Two different places.”

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JordanRules  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:05:20pm

CREAM

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:05:28pm

re: #249 Kragar

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Oops!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:06:05pm

re: #252 JordanRules

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CREAM

Bet FNC won’t be calling him “entitled.”

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:06:56pm

re: #242 JordanRules

[Embedded content]The last thing @RealDonaldTrump needs is more Twitter.

i said this weeks ago (pats self on the back)

the four inventors of twitter are more responsible for trump than anyone

/semi

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KGxvi  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:08:15pm

re: #240 dangerman

critical thinking skills.

and i would be super clear while going further: “reason” and “rational” do not mean “agree with me”. the way a lot of people toss it around. “if only you’d listen, or read this, you’d understand and you’d see the light.”

I don’t care about your politics or your political affiliations. It’s not your position or who you vote for. I dont care who you vote for. I care how you decide who and what to vote for.

it’s how you develop that position, how you make your evaluations and decisions. The process - the critical thinking, in gathering info, acceptance of what you hear and see, that is more of a window on who you are (and aren’t) than anything else

This, a million million times, this. I am always skeptical of anyone who can’t actually articulate a logic behind their position. It’s one of the reasons I don’t bother having political discussions (read: arguments) with most of my family any more. Their entire line of reasoning is: Republicans good, Democrats bad; doesn’t matter what the two parties actually believe (they’re always shocked when I point out that the official GOP position is no abortion ever and the right to discriminate against gay people), they are Team R all the way.

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:08:33pm

re: #246 Big Beautiful Door

I will add that the Republicans who decided not to murder their constituents deserve credit for that, but even for them it shouldn’t be that hard a vote. The ones who were willing to vote for absolutely anything the GOP leadership put in front of them, otoh, don’t even clear the bare minimum of what we should expect from our elected representatives a fellow human being.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:09:25pm

re: #203 Belafon

The thing about standing with Schumer and Pelosi is this: When election time comes around, Republicans will say “Joe voted with Pelosi 95% of the time” and Republicans who are glad they have their health care will nod their heads gravely and wonder why he should still be in office.

Those Republicans are idiots then if they can’t figure out by now that it is the Democrats who are protecting their access to affordable healthcare. Not sure how our side could ever reach them if they are somehow crediting Republicans for saving their healthcare plan.

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:12:18pm

Hi Guys,
Coming up for air after a big day, ten hours already and 200 miles covered. So did I hear the repeal but not actually replace bill is dead? At least this bill truly dead? Did it die screaming in agony for lack of needed surgery? Because some of us would have if it passed. Someone I know fairly well actually, fighting cancer far a couple years now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:12:31pm

re: #227 Charles Johnson

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His butthurt is amazing

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Charles Johnson  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:13:33pm
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JordanRules  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:13:41pm
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TedStriker  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:13:49pm

re: #249 Kragar

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Whoops…someone’s not gonna get paid by Putin this month.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:14:35pm

re: #256 KGxvi

This, a million million times, this. I am always skeptical of anyone who can’t actually articulate a logic behind their position. It’s one of the reasons I don’t bother having political discussions (read: arguments) with most of my family any more. Their entire line of reasoning is: Republicans good, Democrats bad; doesn’t matter what the two parties actually believe (they’re always shocked when I point out that the official GOP position is no abortion ever and the right to discriminate against gay people), they are Team R all the way.

The analogy between the support of the Republican Party and the way someone supports their sportsball team is great. And Trump is testing to see who wins, politics or sportsball.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:14:52pm

re: #260 Backwoods_Sleuth

His butthurt is amazing

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Dudebros gotta dudebro.

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Nyet  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:16:23pm

re: #261 Charles Johnson

Tweet deleted. Has anyone checked whether the image is not a photoshop?

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Nyet  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:16:31pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:17:24pm

re: #260 Backwoods_Sleuth

I do love how he takes a screenshot of an exchange that makes him look like a complete dumbass.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:17:44pm

re: #265 Charles Johnson

Dudebros gotta dudebro.

His belching points are more like the hymnal of the RW exiles’ site than anything else.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:18:02pm

re: #251 Belafon

“Every map I’ve seen has a Left Pacific and Right Pacific. Two different places.”

those damned flat earthers…

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fern01  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:18:24pm

re: #38 Kragar

Trump Breaks Down During Press Conference And Complains That All He Does Is Work

My heart weeps for the thousands of single parent families where that one parent works 3 jobs to pay the rent & buy food.

What a toxic revolting person is this president*

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Decatur Deb  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:18:37pm

re: #270 Backwoods_Sleuth

those damned flat earthers…

Mercator was not your friend.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:19:45pm

Lordy, I just got into a FB exchange with some clown who thinks the fact that the Great Apes have 48 chromosomes and humans only have 46 means would couldn’t have evolved from a common ancestor.

Then he tried to tell me I didn’t understand genetics, and crowed that he’d grown fibroblasts in a research lab in the 1970s.

Me? I just sequenced the genome of the AIDS virus in 1984. What would I know about genes and chromosomes?

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whitebeach  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:20:44pm

re: #243 ObserverArt

If I were to take your comment the way you seem to take mine, then I am being labeled as not seeing things clearly and a polyanna.

That is quite the assumption.

Since I explicitly say that no one has accused you of such things, I don’t really see how you arrive at this conclusion.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:21:05pm

re: #272 Decatur Deb

Mercator was not your friend.

Well, you know how wingnuts LOVE projection….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:21:41pm

re: #268 Charles Johnson

I do love how he takes a screenshot of an exchange that makes him look like a complete dumbass.

I know…I’m still laughing

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Charles Johnson  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:22:54pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:23:12pm

re: #275 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, you know how wingnuts LOVE projection….

updinged for the truly geeky pun.

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KGxvi  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:23:13pm

re: #264 Timothy Watson

The analogy between the support of the Republican Party and the way someone supports their sportsball team is great. And Trump is testing to see who wins, politics or sportsball.

For what it’s worth, I think there’s probably a decent number of people on Team D that probably couldn’t articulate a reason beyond “my parents are Democrats and so I’m a Democrat.” They just tend to be less politically active, I think, the kind that a lot of Democrats complain about for not showing up in mid-term elections or other state/local elections. Among Republicans, though, they’re more active and much more loud (and usually angry).

(note: this is purely opinion and I have no analytics to actually back it up)

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Decatur Deb  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:23:16pm

re: #275 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, you know how wingnuts LOVE projection….

West Wing’s greatest moment:

Cartographers for Social Equality - The West Wing

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Charles Johnson  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:24:15pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:24:16pm

re: #240 dangerman

critical thinking skills.

and i would be super clear while going further: “reason” and “rational” do not mean “agree with me”. the way a lot of people toss it around. “if only you’d listen, or read this, you’d understand and you’d see the light.”

I don’t care about your politics or your political affiliations. It’s not your position or who you vote for. I dont care who you vote for. I care how you decide who and what to vote for.

it’s how you develop that position, how you make your evaluations and decisions. The process - the critical thinking, in gathering info, acceptance of what you hear and see, that is more of a window on who you are (and aren’t) than anything else

Could not agree more. A fair informed process can of course still lead to error but less often and mostly less profoundly wrong. In the whole campaign nobody I spoke to personally had a great argument for Trump. It was always “but not HRC” at first, in the middle and in the end of the discussion. It was never how capable trump is or was in some endeavor. the closest was “He’s a businessman that owes nothing to DC”. I always saw that as anti Hilary light. Rookies rarely prevail. Everybody knows this.

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Nyet  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:24:28pm

re: #272 Decatur Deb

Mercator was not your friend.

I’m his fan, I have his merch.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:25:01pm

PR and VI don’t need any more prayers and he needs to just STFU

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:25:51pm

re: #275 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, you know how wingnuts LOVE projection….

Oh you guys.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:26:54pm

re: #278 Backwoods_Sleuth

updinged for the truly geeky pun.

“It’s me speciality!”

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Charles Johnson  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:27:27pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:27:41pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:27:49pm
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wrenchwench  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:29:21pm

Google just told me my stupid joke is not original. Except I don’t think the other example was joking…

Graham Cassidy—wasn’t he in The Partridge Family?

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I cannot.  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:29:49pm

VoxDay. Comic books. Hilarity ensues.

WHAT THE HELL?!

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:29:59pm

re: #289 Charles Johnson

WOW ONE WHOLE FOLLOWER.

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:30:07pm

re: #38 Kragar

[Embedded content]Trump Breaks Down During Press Conference And Complains That All He Does Is Work

this guy is a 10 year old

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KGxvi  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:30:09pm

re: #280 Decatur Deb

What is that?

That’s where you’ve been living this whole time.

The more I think about it, there might not have been another show in the aughts that contributed to my snarkiness more than the West Wing.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:30:49pm

Wingnuts are so weird. Respond to a comment about an “NFL boycott” with a crazed meme rant about “welfare recipients who want to kill us.” Trump’s people.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:30:52pm

re: #289 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

brand new twitter troll is way too obvious and not very good at it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:30:54pm
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Nyet  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:31:46pm
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BeachDem  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:31:49pm

re: #284 Backwoods_Sleuth

PR and VI don’t need any more prayers and he needs to just STFU

[Embedded content]

And while the yam runs his mouth, Lin-Manuel Miranda gets to work

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Nyet  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:33:35pm
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dangerman  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:33:51pm

re: #272 Decatur Deb

Mercator was not your friend.

west wing episode:

YouTube

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Stanley Sea  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:34:06pm

re: #289 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:34:36pm

re: #301 dangerman

west wing episode:

[Embedded content]

Video

nevermind…..

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darthstar  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:35:54pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:36:01pm

re: #289 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Lol someone needs help.

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EPR-radar  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:36:07pm

re: #297 Blind Frog Belly White

Here’s something that might have a chance at successfully distracting tr*mp — give him a very large truck-like off road vehicle and let him drive it all over the White House grounds. Pay the White House groundskeepers very well to fix the resulting damage.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:37:56pm

Are you a certain citizen?

U.S. to Collect Social Media Data of Immigrants, Certain Citizens

fortune.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:38:54pm

re: #307 Decatur Deb

Are you a certain citizen?

U.S. to Collect Social Media Data of Immigrants, Certain Citizens

fortune.com

As a Scientist, I embrace uncertainty.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:39:28pm

re: #302 Stanley Sea

[Embedded content]

Haha.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:39:56pm
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Timothy Watson  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:41:03pm

re: #310 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

[Embedded content]

White privilege: Realizing that being a convicted felon comes with consequences?

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darthstar  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:41:21pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

He was inflating the wind speeds too - to 200MPH. I think he was bragging…no, I know he was bragging…like making the storm even bigger would make him look better.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:42:22pm

re: #310 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Thus, the important difference between ‘commutation of sentence’ and ‘pardon’.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:42:32pm
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Decatur Deb  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:43:06pm

re: #308 Blind Frog Belly White

As a Scientist, I embrace uncertainty.

I well remember Young’s talk, Doubt and Certainty in Citizenship.

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Nyet  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:43:53pm
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Decatur Deb  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:45:09pm

re: #303 dangerman

nevermind…..

Heh.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:45:14pm

re: #311 Timothy Watson

White privilege: Realizing that being a convicted felon comes with consequences?

Actions have consequences. Imagine that.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:45:30pm

re: #248 Big Beautiful Door

Who knew that the Pacific was that large????

Next time you get your hands on a globe, turn it so that Hawaii is facing you.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:46:00pm

re: #312 darthstar

He was inflating the wind speeds too - to 200MPH. I think he was bragging…no, I know he was bragging…like making the storm even bigger would make him look better.

“MY Presidency has all the biggest life-threatening weather!”

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:46:26pm

[Pokes thread.]

322
BeachDem  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:47:15pm

re: #302 Stanley Sea

[Embedded content]

And just to back that up:

“Monday Night Football” easily kept ESPN on top of the cable ratings once again this week. The network’s broadcast of the Cowboys vs Cardinals game raked in a 5.1 rating in adults 18-49, eight-tenths higher than the 4.1 it scored with last week’s Lions vs New York Giants game.

tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com

and

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MsJ  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:47:23pm

re: #321 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

[Pokes thread.]

[thread pokes bak]

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Timothy Watson  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:47:36pm

re: #321 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

[Pokes thread.]

Ow, quit it!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:48:12pm

re: #324 Timothy Watson

Ow, quit it!

MOM!! Make him stop poking me!!!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:48:41pm

re: #323 MsJ

re: #324 Timothy Watson

Hmm. My Thread Spy died on me. Reloading the page didn’t fix it, either.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:48:46pm

Do I have to come up there?

328
Nyet  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:48:46pm

re: #321 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

[Pokes thread.]

Pssst. It’s not thread…

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Decatur Deb  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:49:36pm

re: #326 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Hmm. My Thread Spy died on me. Reloading the page didn’t fix it, either.

It did here. (FF/Linux)

330
Nyet  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:49:41pm

That is not thread which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even thread can die.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:51:18pm

re: #329 Decatur Deb

It did here. (FF/Linux)

Chrome/Win10 here. I tried closing browser and reopening, too.

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I cannot.  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:51:18pm

I think I might have borked it a bit when I posted that pile of tweets, it didn’t update after that, I had to reload the page.

333
Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:51:19pm

You have to be careful poking Thread. Use metal. It’ll eat anything organic. Make sure you have some agenothree at hand.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:51:35pm
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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:53:13pm

re: #334 The Vicious Babushka

Thanks, hon, but we need real ideas.

(ducks)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:53:13pm

re: #331 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Chrome/Win10 here. I tried closing browser and reopening, too.

Three engineers are crossing Death Valley in a rental car. Suddenly, the engine coughs and dies.

The Electrical Engineer says, “There must be something wrong with the ignition system.”

The Chemical Engineer says, “I think it’s that fuel we bought this morning.”

The Software Engineer says, “Let’s get out of the car and get back in.”

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:54:21pm

re: #336 Blind Frog Belly White

Actually, turning the key to try to restart it is the first thing to do.

338
Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:54:29pm

So basically Twitter is turning itself into a quasi-Facebook?

The character limit was the thing that differentiated Twitter in the first place.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:54:48pm

re: #336 Blind Frog Belly White

Three engineers are crossing Death Valley in a rental car. Suddenly, the engine coughs and dies.

The Electrical Engineer says, “There must be something wrong with the ignition system.”

The Chemical Engineer says, “I think it’s that fuel we bought this morning.”

The Software Engineer says, “Let’s get out of the car and get back in.”

Apple // Developer: “Jack it up a few inches and drop it.”

340
Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:55:16pm

Time for the Trump Administration to go into full panic mode. One of the big pieces to Mueller’s investigation just dropped into place - this one will give him full access to Trump’s financial records.

Exclusive: IRS shares information with special counsel in Russia probe

341
TedStriker  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:55:39pm

re: #337 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

Actually, turning the key to try to restart it is the first thing to do.

*whoosh*

///

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:56:02pm

re: #338 Eclectic Cyborg

So basically Twitter is turning itself into a quasi-Facebook?

The character limit was the thing that differentiated Twitter in the first place.

As far as I can tell, there’s no limit to the number of characters on either platform.

(ducks)

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:56:15pm

re: #317 Decatur Deb

Heh.

how did i not see that?

344
wrenchwench  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:56:21pm

re: #336 Blind Frog Belly White

Three engineers are crossing Death Valley in a rental car. Suddenly, the engine coughs and dies.

The Electrical Engineer says, “There must be something wrong with the ignition system.”

The Chemical Engineer says, “I think it’s that fuel we bought this morning.”

The Software Engineer says, “Let’s get out of the car and get back in.”

The Bike Mechanic says, “Let me get this thing off of the roof…”

345
Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:57:22pm

re: #342 Blind Frog Belly White

Okay, that was pretty good.

346
Decatur Deb  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:57:30pm

re: #343 dangerman

how did i not see that?

The YT clips seem to have different names.

347
Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:57:38pm

re: #344 wrenchwench

The Bike Mechanic says, “Let me get this thing off of the roof…”

The Genetic Engineer stays home. Who the fuck wants to go to Death Valley, where the sun tries to kill you?

348
The Vicious Babushka  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:58:06pm

SOME OF ITS USERS, like those who pay?

349
Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:58:17pm

YAYYY, it lives!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:58:47pm

re: #345 Eclectic Cyborg

Okay, that was pretty good.

(bows)

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wrenchwench  Sep 26, 2017 • 3:58:51pm

re: #347 Blind Frog Belly White

The Genetic Engineer stays home. Who the fuck wants to go to Death Valley, where the sun tries to kill you?

Just the Californians on their way to New Mexico.

352
Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Sep 26, 2017 • 4:00:34pm

re: #336 Blind Frog Belly White

Three engineers are crossing Death Valley in a rental car. Suddenly, the engine coughs and dies.

The Electrical Engineer says, “There must be something wrong with the ignition system.”

The Chemical Engineer says, “I think it’s that fuel we bought this morning.”

The Software Engineer says, “Let’s get out of the car and get back in.”

Microsoft developer: “Let’s fix it by loading the trunk up with the biggest, heaviest, most useless boulders we can find, and then pouring sand into the gas tank.”

353
Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 26, 2017 • 4:01:57pm

re: #352 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Microsoft developer: “Let’s fix it by loading the trunk up with the biggest, heaviest, most useless boulders we can find, and then pouring sand into the gas tank.”

Or, “Let’s take exactly the same car, and move all the controls around so you can’t find them, and then tell people ‘It’s more intuitive!’”

354
EPR-radar  Sep 26, 2017 • 4:03:41pm

re: #353 Blind Frog Belly White

I suspect Trump will have difficulty getting to 280 characters….

“Sad! I mean, REAL sad!!! Believe me!!!”

Or, “Let’s take exactly the same car, and move all the controls around so you can’t find them, and then tell people ‘It’s more intuitive!’”

The steering wheel can be just above the floor and next to the brake pedal, and the gas pedal can be mounted on the sunroof.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 26, 2017 • 4:04:08pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 26, 2017 • 4:06:18pm

I suspect Trump will have difficulty getting to 280 characters….

“Sad! I mean, REAL sad!!! Believe me!!!”

(Oops. Always make sure you post one comment before composing another in the same window)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 26, 2017 • 4:19:33pm

re: #354 EPR-radar

The steering wheel can be just above the floor and next to the brake pedal, and the gas pedal can be mounted on the sunroof.

The biggest problem is that the heat is now on by default, and they moved the heater control from the dashboard to the inside of the left rear wheelwell.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 26, 2017 • 4:35:05pm

re: #284 Backwoods_Sleuth

PR and VI don’t need any more prayers and he needs to just STFU

[Embedded content]

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 26, 2017 • 4:55:10pm

re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth

but pay no attention to the pepes, nazis and white supremacists…

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