British PM Theresa May: “Highly Likely” Russia Is Responsible for Spy’s Poisoning

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Very disturbing news this morning from Britain, where Prime Minister Theresa May has just announced it’s “highly likely” Russia is responsible for the poisoning of ex-Russian spy Sergei Skripal earlier this month — with a deadly military-grade nerve agent.

LONDON — Prime Minister Theresa May said Monday that British investigators had concluded it was “highly likely” that Russia was responsible for the poison attack that left a Russian double agent and his daughter comatose on a park bench last week.

The British leader said the police had identified the poison as a “military-grade nerve agent of a type developed by Russia.”

She warned that Russia has either engaged in a direct attack against Britain or has lost control of the nerve agent it developed.

Skripal and his daughter were discovered in a comatose state in the British city of Salisbury, on a bench near a shopping center, and 21 other people have now been treated for symptoms of nerve agent poisoning.

Russia is responding as expected:

So far, not a word about it from our so-called president.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 12, 2018 • 11:24:02am
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Mar 12, 2018 • 11:24:25am

No doubt Fox, Limbaugh, Infowars, Greenwald and the rest of the usual suspects have their marching orders from the Kremlin: We shall see a massive propaganda push against HM government and the UK generally.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Mar 12, 2018 • 11:26:26am

For what little it is worth, I was born in Salisbury. Someone like Alex Jones would probably find this suspicious.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Mar 12, 2018 • 11:28:19am

re: #2 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

No doubt Fox, Limbaugh, Infowars, Greenwald and the rest of the usual suspects have their marching orders from the Kremlin: We shall see a massive propaganda push against HM government and the UK generally.

THE UK TORMENTED THE WORLD WITH THEIR EMPIRE, THEIR HANDS ARE NOT CLEAN!!

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bill d. (b.d.)  Mar 12, 2018 • 11:28:59am

OBAMA’S FAULT!

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JordanRules  Mar 12, 2018 • 11:29:18am
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Mar 12, 2018 • 11:29:33am

Like the Sun’s headline:

VLAD IMPALED

Theresa May points finger at ‘brazen’ Russia for using ‘military-grade’ poison Novichok on Sergei Skripal and daughter Yulia - but stops short of blaming Vladimir Putin.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 12, 2018 • 11:30:10am

re: #5 bill d. (b.d.)

Stock excuse. We should be accustomed to hearing it by now. :(

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bill d. (b.d.)  Mar 12, 2018 • 11:30:29am

Don’t wealthy Russians own a lot of fancy homes in London?

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 12, 2018 • 11:31:25am

In a just world, the USA would show some leadership. And by that, I mean placing Russia on the ‘state sponsors of terrorism’ list and all that that entails.

Fuck ‘em - let them have it with both barrels.

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dangerman  Mar 12, 2018 • 11:32:43am

currently,

YouTube

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Targetpractice  Mar 12, 2018 • 11:34:26am

re: #10 Dr Lizardo

In a just world, the USA would show some leadership. And by that, I mean placing Russia on the ‘state sponsors of terrorism’ list and all that that entails.

Fuck ‘em - let them have it with both barrels.

In a sane world, the US president would make a statement of solidarity with the UK and push Russia for answers or (failing that) suggest taking the matter to the UN.

This administration? Some excuse-making about “not jumping to conclusions,” vague promises of “support” for our ally, and no serious suggestion of taking the matter further than empty words.

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dangerman  Mar 12, 2018 • 11:34:29am

re: #6 JordanRules

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control your weapons at all times or

there will be accountability and consequences!

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ObserverArt  Mar 12, 2018 • 11:35:05am

We pretty much know that Trump won’t do much about Putin. How about that law and order, tough-on-Russia Republican party and their leaders like Ryan and McConnell?

Will they show some spine and stand up and address this, or will they hide behind Trump’s fat ass and claim it is up to Trump how he wants to handle foreign affairs?

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dangerman  Mar 12, 2018 • 11:35:33am

re: #10 Dr Lizardo

In a just world, the USA would show some leadership. And by that, I mean placing Russia on the ‘state sponsors of terrorism’ list and all that that entails.

Fuck ‘em - let them have it with both barrels.

“highly likely” isnt proof of anything
beside i spoke to putin and he said he didnt do it

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meteor  Mar 12, 2018 • 11:36:13am
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Dr Lizardo  Mar 12, 2018 • 11:36:48am

re: #10 Dr Lizardo

And I forgot to add, kick Russia out of SWIFT; expelling Russian banks from SWIFT would potentially deny Russia access to billions of dollars in revenue and spending using SWIFT, though it wouldn’t prevent them from using informal value transfer systems.

But it’d certainly be one hell of a kick right in the nads of Russia’s financial system.

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Targetpractice  Mar 12, 2018 • 11:38:07am

What’s most likely is the White House will insist that we cannot act against Russia until we’ve “all the facts,” which we won’t have until we capture “those responsible.” The idea being that without the assassins arrested or dead, we can’t be sure that this wasn’t planned by some shadowy group to “frame” the Russians.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Mar 12, 2018 • 11:38:54am

re: #9 bill d. (b.d.)

Don’t wealthy Russians own a lot of fancy homes in London?

I remember a fluff report a couple of years ago on the super-expensive neighborhood of Belgravia. It had been virtually taken over by foreigners. The reporter talked to a Colombian woman who was out walking her dogs. She said it was nice, but hinted there might be problems. When pressed, she said she couldn’t say more because she was “afraid of the Russians around the corner.” My reaction was that if you live in the most expensive neighborhood in the world and you are afraid of the neighbors, IT IS TIME TO MOVE.

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Jack Burton  Mar 12, 2018 • 11:40:11am

re: #18 Targetpractice

Don’t forget putting ‘thoughts and prayers’ in there somewhere, or ‘good people on both sides’. Gotta fit both of those in somehow.

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S'latch  Mar 12, 2018 • 11:43:38am

How long before Russia whacks someone in the U.S?

How long before the U.S. whacks someone in … (never mind).

“Fascism = capitalism + murder.” Upton Sinclair

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Jack Burton  Mar 12, 2018 • 11:44:46am

It’s never been more clear that this modified-from-Ghostbusters scene needs to happen:

Pence: “Hey, Robert Muller!”

Trump: “I trust you are moving my staff to better quarters in the White House…”

Muller: “No, you are being moved out of the white house. With this Grand Jury indictment, congress has voted to terminate your presidency. You are to vacate these premises immediately.”

Trump: “This is preposterous. I demand an explanation.”

Muller: “This country will no longer continue any funding of any kind for your gang’s activities.”

Trump: “But the 4Chan kids love us.”

Muller: “‘President’ Trump… We believe that the purpose of government is to serve Americans. You however, seem to regard government as some kind of dodge… or hustle. Your policies are the worst kind of populist tripe, your speeches are sloppy, and your decisions are highly questionable! You are a poor President, Mr. Trump!”

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Interesting Times  Mar 12, 2018 • 11:46:04am

re: #21 S’latch

How long before Russia whacks someone in the U.S?

The only thing I find surprising is that they haven’t already done so (as far as we know…)

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Charles Johnson  Mar 12, 2018 • 11:47:23am
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Kragar  Mar 12, 2018 • 11:50:41am
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Targetpractice  Mar 12, 2018 • 11:50:45am

re: #24 Charles Johnson

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Not to worry, the Russian gov’t and their White House puppets will have everybody believing this stuff is so common that anybody can buy it off the black market. No way in hell any Russians were involved.

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Interesting Times  Mar 12, 2018 • 11:50:47am

re: #24 Charles Johnson

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bill d. (b.d.)  Mar 12, 2018 • 11:54:43am

re: #19 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I remember a fluff report a couple of years ago on the super-expensive neighborhood of Belgravia. It had been virtually taken over by foreigners. The reporter talked to a Colombian woman who was out walking her dogs. She said it was nice, but hinted there might be problems. When pressed, she said she couldn’t say more because she was “afraid of the Russians around the corner.” My reaction was that if you live in the most expensive neighborhood in the world and you are afraid of the neighbors, IT IS TIME TO MOVE.

I think I saw that, that fancy ass neighborhood was basically dead because it was just a bunch of places that people came and visited once or twice a year.

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petesh  Mar 12, 2018 • 11:55:01am

re: #3 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

For what little it is worth, I was born in Salisbury. Someone like Alex Jones would probably find this suspicious.

Indeed; me also too, besides, more or less. I was at prep school nearby and a solicitous but tedious aunt used to take me to the cathedral, up with which I put on account of the subsequent cream tea. Deep roots, long-term planning. I await the knock on my door with trepidation.

Mind you, the cathedral is in fact stunning.

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sagehen  Mar 12, 2018 • 11:56:24am

re: #27 Interesting Times

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bill d. (b.d.)  Mar 12, 2018 • 11:56:30am

re: #26 Targetpractice

Not to worry, the Russian gov’t and their White House puppets will have everybody believing this stuff is so common that anybody can buy it off the black market. No way in hell any Russians were involved.

THE BLACKS, MS-13 TYPES AND JEWS LIKE SOROS CAN GET THEIR HANDS ON THIS STUFF IN 10 MINUTES

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 12, 2018 • 11:57:31am
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Decatur Deb  Mar 12, 2018 • 11:57:54am

re: #25 Kragar

Be aware that following the link in the Rawstory column takes you to townhall.com.

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petesh  Mar 12, 2018 • 11:59:26am

re: #30 sagehen

Yes, Manafort is betting that a life spent inside a maximum security prison will be longer than any other. He may be wrong, only because they can get him in jail too.

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Targetpractice  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:01:56pm

re: #30 sagehen

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“We’re not saying we’ll kill you and/or your family if you talk to Mueller, Paul.”

“Oh, that’s go…”

“We are, however, heavily implying we’ll do it if you talk to him. Just FYI.”

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:02:06pm

re: #18 Targetpractice

What’s most likely is the White House will insist that we cannot act against Russia until we’ve “all the facts,” which we won’t have until we capture “those responsible.” The idea being that without the assassins arrested or dead, we can’t be sure that this wasn’t planned by some shadowy group to “frame” the Russians.

Kinda like claiming frame up when (1) You have motive (2) You have the ability (3) you have sole possession of the unique weapon involved. (4) the US President in your pocket.

Trump is more likely to come out for an assault weapon ban than stand tall with PM May. We need resolute, we have bought and paid for.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:10:30pm

Two things:

Midterm Madness: Illinois 5th and the Lying Lady-Punching Douchebag (Wonkette)

This is my mother’s district. Since she is not on the Internet, I will be calling her to support her rep (Quigley) against this chowderhead trying to primary him (Wolf).

Wolf, facing accusations of stolen valour (a subject that really incenses my veteran mother), said in defence “the DOD and veterans do not have a copyright on the term ‘service’.”

He claimed to work as an FBI special agent (forcing the FBI to say no, he didn’t do that as a special agent), and claimed combat tours in Iraq (no, he wasn’t in the military).

And yes, he is accused of abuse and is banned from a couple universities in Chicago. It is alleged he also owns an AR-15 (banned in the city).

This guy sounds more like a Republican trying to fly under the radar to primary Rep. Quigley.

If you live in IL-5, take a look.

Second thing:

The $130,000 repayment offer by Ms. Daniels is a brilliant PR checkmate.

a) If Trump takes the money (or one of his surrogates), that ends any NDA they might have had (and tanks the threats of a suit against her and CBS).

b) If Trump denies there is an NDA and therefore he won’t take the money, he just cancelled any NDA which might be in force (by denying it) and she is free to say whatever she wants as long as it is not slander.

c) If Trump proceeds with the threatened lawsuits, then Stormy Daniels gets discovery and also can present evidence in a very public suit.

This has the potential of dividing off Christians who support Trump (deeming him a hypocrite) and the GOP in general. Stormy Daniels is an accomplished businesswoman already, and is familiar with conservative politics (when she ran for office against David Vitter but withdrew when someone blew up her campaign manager’s car).

She is fully aware of how hypocritical and dangerous conservatism really is (based on her political campaign). This $130,000 offer is brilliant. There is no answer Trump or his lawyers can give that doesn’t admit the existence of the NDA (and therefore he was in fact cheating on his wife).

The crazification factor of conservatives you find in any country will not abandon him. Those who voted for “something different” or the “outsider politician who understands my troubles” will be reconsidering their choices.

Moreover, the longer this drags on, the closer the mid-terms get. This is not a good look for any GOP candidate attached to Trump at the hip.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:16:16pm
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:19:08pm

re: #21 S’latch

How long before Russia whacks someone in the U.S?

How long before the U.S. whacks someone in t … (never mind).

I’ve speculated that the Russian bag-men may have been pretty upset upon learning that Texas secession was an old joke and not a serious separatist movement. Any secesh grifters who took Russian money under false pretenses may find exotic chemicals in their next consignment.

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DodgerFan1988  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:20:56pm

Trump Toadie Kurt Schlichter Townhall piece fantasizes about massacring millions of Americans for being “libtards.”

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petesh  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:23:11pm

re: #39 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I’ve speculated that the Russian bag-men may have been pretty upset upon learning that Texas secession was an old joke and not a serious separatist movement. Any secesh grifters who took Russian money under false pretenses may find exotic chemicals in their next consignment.

Meh, unlikely I think. They pulled some of the same shit in California, and I think it was all just a cheap way of increasing confusion; now, rubles under the bridge.

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KGxvi  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:25:13pm

re: #40 DodgerFan1988

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Trump Toadie Kurt Schlichter Townhall piece fantasizes about massacring millions of Americans for being “libtards.”

Going to be real hard to wage an insurgency when the first act of Congress will be to ban the sale of guns and ammo. Also going to be really difficult when people opposed to your insurgency start reporting you to authorities and said authorities start going house to house clearing out weapons caches.

And that’s before the Abrams tanks start knocking down the buildings you’re holed up in.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:26:26pm

re: #25 Kragar

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I scanned Schlichter’s fantasy posting. It’s basically WOLVERINES!!!!, with a side of fantasizing about destroying San Francisco.

The funny thing is, these same folks who think that the US Military would be so easily defeated by cranky fascists with small arms are the ones who think the US Military is an unstoppable force that can crush insurgencies anwhere in the world if we just let them.

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makeitstop  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:26:32pm

re: #42 KGxvi

Going to be real hard to wage an insurgency when the first act of Congress will be to ban the sale of guns and ammo. Also going to be really difficult when people opposed to your insurgency start reporting you to authorities and said authorities start going house to house clearing out weapons caches.

And that’s before the Abrams tanks start knocking down the buildings you’re holed up in.

Don’t get the tanks dirty, just deploy a few drones. Done.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:26:51pm

re: #40 DodgerFan1988

Trump Toadie Kurt Schlichter Townhall piece fantasizes about massacring millions of Americans for being “libtards.”

Slaughtering soldiers. More of that conservative support for the military and veterans, I see.

There is nothing about conservatism that is not projection.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:28:10pm

re: #43 Blind Frog Belly White

I scanned Schlichter’s fantasy posting. It’s basically WOLVERINES!!!!, with a side of fantasizing about destroying San Francisco.

The funny thing is, these same folks who think that the US Military would be so easily defeated by cranky fascists with small arms are the ones who think the US Military is an unstoppable force that can crush insurgencies anwhere in the world if we just let them.

One of the principal requirements of being a conservative voter is cognitive dissonance (see also cutting your way to prosperity).

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Kragar  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:28:37pm

re: #42 KGxvi

Going to be real hard to wage an insurgency when the first act of Congress will be to ban the sale of guns and ammo. Also going to be really difficult when people opposed to your insurgency start reporting you to authorities and said authorities start going house to house clearing out weapons caches.

And that’s before the Abrams tanks start knocking down the buildings you’re holed up in.

“I’ve got an arsenal in my house! Who is going to come and take it?”
“The Fire Department.”
“What?”
*basks in the pretty lights*

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:29:20pm

re: #37 Anymouse 🌹

she is free to say whatever she wants as long as it is not slander.

Trump will claim that anything unflattering she says about him is “slander”

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:29:30pm

re: #42 KGxvi

I also get a kick out of him thinking that a column of M1A2s would not have any extra support (ie CAS etc). When in doubt of where the enemy is…carpet bomb their general direction.

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KGxvi  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:30:02pm

Shocking that Trump decided to move forward with tariffs (so people will “buy America steel!”) while understanding nothing of the current market forces:

“What people don’t understand about the steels I use is it doesn’t have anything to do with price. I’ve tried to find domestic sources,” he said. ” … I’m not importing it because of price. I’m importing it because of quality and (because) I can get it.”

Scheurich said he has to buy from foreign companies because decades of consolidation in the domestic steel industry have left few U.S. mills producing the high-quality steel he requires. The limited amount of American steel he can obtain too often has obvious flaws, he said.

Consolidation is something that has been happening across the economy, not just on the consumer side but on the wholesale and production side as well. At some point, those chickens are going to come home to roost, and things will not go well.

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freetoken  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:30:50pm

Family Values Republicans at it again:

WHO IS BILL DIX? IOWA SENATE MAJORITY LEADER STEPPING DOWN AFTER VIDEO SURFACES OF HIM KISSING STATEHOUSE LOBBYIST

The leader of Iowa’s Senate is stepping down Monday after a video of him appearing to kiss a statehouse lobbyist surfaced, according to the Associated Press.

Bill Dix, 55, was allegedly recorded kissing the lobbyist at a bar in Des Moines on March 1. The video was released on the left-leaning website Iowa Starting Line.

[…]

But this is hardly a new thing for Dix. He resigned based on the recent event. Yet…

Previously Bix has gotten into trouble, but the Iowa GOP stayed with him:

From last year:

November:

Senate leader Dix needs to step down; ‘That was a sad display of leadership,’ Anderson says

The story from earlier, in July:

Iowa senator calls on GOP majority leader to quit after $2.2 million sex harassment verdict

That incident stems from the woman going public way back in 2014:

Exclusive Interview: Woman Files Lawsuit Accusing Iowa Senate GOP of Sexual Harassment

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Stanley Sea  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:32:29pm

re: #51 freetoken

Perfect last name

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:32:33pm

re: #49 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I also get a kick out of him thinking that a column of M1A2s would not have any extra support (ie CAS etc). When in doubt of where the enemy is…carpet bomb their general direction.

I was arguing with some idiot on FB about the whole “2A protects us from a tyrannical government” thing. He couldn’t answer my ? about who gets to decide when a government is being tyrannical. Perhaps Micah Xavier Johnson thought the government was being tyrannical, so he decided to “protect the Constitution”… Secondly, he said he’d protect himself by boobytrapping his driveway. I then proceeded to post a GIF of a drone strike on a building. He blocked me after that.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:33:07pm

re: #41 petesh

Meh, unlikely I think. They pulled some of the same shit in California, and I think it was all just a cheap way of increasing confusion; now, rubles under the bridge.

When I did research into the two separatist groups in California (based on an Alternet article), I found right away one was funded by a libertarian who hates taxes and the other by a fellow in Siberia.

When I called it out on Alternet, I kid you not I was called an “imperialist and oligarchy apologist.” That got a metric fuctonne of upvotes by the commentaritat of Alternet.

Pretty much the last time I commented there.

In the meantime, I informed my sister (who lives in Burbank) of what I found, and she was already aware of it and was fighting for the NO side of Yes! California and California Yes (the two groups).

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:33:38pm

re: #49 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I also get a kick out of him thinking that a column of M1A2s would not have any extra support (ie CAS etc). When in doubt of where the enemy is…carpet bomb their general direction.

I’m pretty sure most rifle-caliber weapons aren’t going to stand up well to the armor on an A-10. And I guarantee you you aren’t going to survive the BRRRRRRT that is coming in the opposite direction. And all that’s only if you are able to see the attack coming.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:33:55pm

re: #48 The Vicious Babushka

Trump will claim that anything unflattering she says about him is “slander”

Good. Let him prove it in a court. Claiming she is slandering him could draw a suit against him claiming he is slandering her.

This really is a PR checkmate.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:34:16pm

If Russia attacks we deploy the teachers!!

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petesh  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:36:00pm

re: #48 The Vicious Babushka

Trump will claim that anything unflattering she says about him is “slander”

But truth is an absolute defense. So, if she says he has a tiny dick, he would have to produce it in order to deny the claim. (I hope I never see it.) And I can think of many other damaging assertions that he likely could not disprove.

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DodgerFan1988  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:37:11pm

But but “All Lives Matter.”

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Stanley Sea  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:37:24pm

For Ace

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:38:55pm

re: #41 petesh

Meh, unlikely I think. They pulled some of the same shit in California, and I think it was all just a cheap way of increasing confusion; now, rubles under the bridge.

Perhaps, but they put a lot more money and effort into the Texas movement since it was already established (if comical) and had a far more receptive audience. At one point, fully half the Texas GOP county committees endorsed at least a vote on secession.

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petesh  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:38:55pm

re: #54 Anymouse 🌹

Shame about Alternet. They have been known to have some good stuff (back awhile, I was published there, and happy to be) but apparently have fallen into the nasty vortex of paranoia.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:39:11pm

re: #55 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

re: #53 GlutenFreeJesus

These are the same arguments I’ve had with others. The chances of a small number of fat white guys being able to successfully counter tanks, planes and helicopters with their precious AR-15s is as laughable as the poles charging german tanks on horse back in WWII. It’s just not. gonna. work. I would be laughing as a tank commander as I gave the order to load a canister round while they charged my tank.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:39:49pm

re: #53 GlutenFreeJesus

I was arguing with some idiot on FB about the whole “2A protects us from a tyrannical government” thing. He couldn’t answer my ? about who gets to decide when a government is being tyrannical. Perhaps Micah Xavier Johnson thought the government was being tyrannical, so he decided to “protect the Constitution”… Secondly, he said he’d protect himself by boobytrapping his driveway. I then proceeded to post a GIF of a drone strike on a building. He blocked me after that.

That argument is so ridiculous.

A better argument is the I Amendment protects your right to speak in favour of the II Amendment. Without free speech, there would be no NRA.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:39:56pm

re: #59 DodgerFan1988

A mad bomber on the loose. And potentially targeting African Americans.

Just fine and dandy. /s

*sigh*

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:40:53pm

re: #63 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

These are the same arguments I’ve had with others. The chances of a small number of fat white guys being able to successfully counter tanks, planes and helicopters with their precious AR-15s is as laughable as the poles charging german tanks on horse back in WWII. It’s just not. gonna. work. I would be laughing as a tank commander as I gave the order to load a canister round while they charged my tank.

We need to make a serious example of any who try.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:42:01pm

Here come the tears again:

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petesh  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:42:39pm

re: #61 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Perhaps, but they put a lot more money and effort into the Texas movement since it was already established (if comical) and had a far more receptive audience. At one point, fully half the Texas GOP county committees endorsed at least a vote on secession.

OK, I can imagine something — take out a fascist and blame it on the left kind of thing; but I doubt it. And I am certainly not too worried!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:42:42pm

re: #63 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

These are the same arguments I’ve had with others. The chances of a small number of fat white guys being able to successfully counter tanks, planes and helicopters with their precious AR-15s is as laughable as the poles charging german tanks on horse back in WWII. It’s just not. gonna. work. I would be laughing as a tank commander as I gave the order to load a canister round while they charged my tank.

Another thing they’ve convinced themselves of… is that everyone in the military driving those tanks, piloting those drones/jets etc. would come over to their side.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:43:13pm

re: #64 Anymouse 🌹

That argument is so ridiculous.

A better argument is the I Amendment protects your right to speak in favour of the II Amendment. Without free speech, there would be no NRA.

Forget the fact that we have ELECTIONS. heh

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Charles Johnson  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:43:19pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:45:01pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:45:32pm

Here’s a gem from Schichters masturbatory fantasy: “As my recent novel illustrates,…”

Using one masturbatory fantasy to support another.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:45:38pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:46:51pm

re: #72 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Should be Russian nesting dolls.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:48:04pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

Thank god for bananas. Humanity may still have a chance.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:48:43pm
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HappyWarrior(Not Larry Kudlow)  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:49:46pm

re: #60 Stanley Sea

For Ace

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Yeah Game Seven wasn’t Game 5.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:50:46pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

Froze up just like a fainting goat.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:51:32pm
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Kragar  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:51:58pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:52:14pm

re: #62 petesh

Shame about Alternet. They have been known to have some good stuff (back awhile, I was published there, and happy to be) but apparently have fallen into the nasty vortex of paranoia.

Alternet has been going downhill for a long time.

Today at least they have interesting articles: Calling Bernie Sanders’s version of democratic socialism a sham, calling out the DOD on a dodgy relationship with a company they contracted drones with, a Parkland student mocking Betsy DeVos claiming it’s unfair to ask education questions (of the Education Secretary), &c.

It’s not so much that Alternet is the problem, it’s their regular commentators. Too many purity ponies and not enough pragmatists.

I have a village board meeting tonight:

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:53:29pm

Just
Gonna
Leave
This
Here

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Targetpractice  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:53:31pm

re: #77 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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UK’s going after how the use of a Russian nerve agent that they have lied for years about developing, manufacturing, and possessing in direct contravention of the CWC is a major crime and a direct attack on Britain.

US’s response? “They shouldn’t have used that! They should have been more subtle!”

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KGxvi  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:53:47pm

re: #37 Anymouse 🌹

The $130,000 repayment offer by Ms. Daniels is a brilliant PR checkmate.

If she is seeking to have the contract declared void (and that seems to be the remedy she’s seeking from my quick read of the complaint) then any such ruling would have to include an order for repayment of the money. More likely, the argument that the defendants would make is that she’s trying to get out of the contract because she think she can make more by writing a book, producing a parody adult film (ew), or giving interviews. They’ll try to argue that the agreement was valid because even though Trump (or whomever) didn’t sign the document, the parties substantially performed all their duties under the agreement and thus there’s no reason to rule that the contract is void.

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sagehen  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:53:51pm

re: #63 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

These are the same arguments I’ve had with others. The chances of a small number of fat white guys being able to successfully counter tanks, planes and helicopters with their precious AR-15s is as laughable as the poles charging german tanks on horse back in WWII. It’s just not. gonna. work. I would be laughing as a tank commander as I gave the order to load a canister round while they charged my tank.

Tennyson ~ Charge of the Light Brigade ~ poem with text

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:54:33pm

re: #69 GlutenFreeJesus

Another thing they’ve convinced themselves of… is that everyone in the military driving those tanks, piloting those drones/jets etc. would come over to their side.

In the last election, exit polling showed the majority of the active duty military voted for Hillary Clinton and Gary Johnson (combined) over Donald Trump.

Their religious faith (conservatism) will get them killed if they try this.

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Targetpractice  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:55:19pm

re: #69 GlutenFreeJesus

Another thing they’ve convinced themselves of… is that everyone in the military driving those tanks, piloting those drones/jets etc. would come over to their side.

Ayep, in their deluded little minds, when these “patriots” stand up to fight the US gov’t, the bulk of the US Armed Forces will violate the oaths they took to turn their guns on said gov’t.

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ObserverArt  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:56:37pm

re: #67 Barefoot Grin

Here come the tears again:

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Damn. Three women that were nothing by good people trying to help vets.

Just another example of a person on the edge having access to a gun. And because it was only three victims and the shooter, I guess all of that will just get lost in “another few gun deaths in America.”

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:57:08pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 12, 2018 • 12:59:14pm

re: #88 Targetpractice

Ayep, in their deluded little minds, when these “patriots” stand up to fight the US gov’t, the bulk of the US Armed Forces will violate the oaths they took to turn their guns on said gov’t.

They seem convinced that being the “party of the military” will save them. Unfortunately, when it comes right down to it, the only thing that will save them is if the military agrees that the government needs to be deposed. If they don’t, they’re screwed, no matter how they voted or what causes they supported.

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:03:05pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:04:05pm
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Targetpractice  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:04:09pm

re: #91 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

They seem convinced that being the “party of the military” will save them. Unfortunately, when it comes right down to it, the only thing that will save them is if the military agrees that the government needs to be deposed. If they don’t, they’re screwed, no matter how they voted or what causes they supported.

Their beliefs go something like this:

1. The whole thing will start out with the few “patriots” who immediately take up arms against the “tyrannical gov’t.”

2. Public sentiment will rapidly swing in their favor and against the “tyrannical gov’t,” because “the people” will see that their cause is just and honorable.

3. This swing will convince the Armed Forces that the “tyrannical gov’t” needs to go and spark a widespread mutiny, with any who don’t immediately join the “patriot” cause being subject to future “war crimes” tribunals.

4. With the Armed Forces now led by these “patriots,” a swift coup will remove the “tyrannical gov’t” from power and install one in total compliance with the “true wishes” of the Founding Fathers. They’ll have to postpone elections for a bit (you know) because they’ll need to time to root out all those politicians who won’t take a loyalty pledge to these “New Founding Fathers.”

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:05:23pm
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meteor  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:06:06pm

Stoke City 0 - Manchester City 0, very early in the first half.

Home a little early from work, ‘cause I had an ultrasound. Doctor says he’ll call me with the results.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:06:27pm

re: #66 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I think we should have in oregon and nevada. but that’s just me.

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HappyWarrior(Not Larry Kudlow)  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:06:33pm

re: #95 goddamnedfrank

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“Just because I hang the heads of chocolate animals on my wall doesn’t make me a psychopath.”

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ObserverArt  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:07:57pm

re: #93 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Shame?

Trump doesn’t know the word. It has never been a part of the Trump family.

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:07:59pm

re: #9 bill d. (b.d.)

Don’t wealthy Russians own a lot of fancy homes in London?

Not any more.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:08:49pm

re: #97 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I think we should have in oregon and nevada. but that’s just me.

Yep, an important lesson there.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:09:11pm

re: #95 goddamnedfrank

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I just realized how weird those baggy assed trousers look.

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dangerman  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:09:24pm

re: #72 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

This is the danger of campaigning at a candy factory.

maybe framed this way on purpose?

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:09:34pm

re: #100 Romantic Heretic

Not any more.

Got out ahead of the SAS raids, did they?

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Charles Johnson  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:09:46pm

Just read that messed up pile of garbage by Schlichter, and noticed he slipped in a little gotcha bait for liberals - he mentions that in the Civil War “an army of Democrats burned our family hometown.”

He’s talking about Chambersburg, and the “army of Democrats” was the Confederacy.

That’s the kind of thing Schlichter thinks is “funny.”

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KGxvi  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:10:05pm

re: #94 Targetpractice

Their beliefs go something like this:

1. The whole thing will start out with the few “patriots” who immediately take up arms against the “tyrannical gov’t.”

2. Public sentiment will rapidly swing in their favor and against the “tyrannical gov’t,” because “the people” will see that their cause is just and honorable.

3. This swing will convince the Armed Forces that the “tyrannical gov’t” needs to go and spark a widespread mutiny, with any who don’t immediately join the “patriot” cause being subject to future “war crimes” tribunals.

4. With the Armed Forces now led by these “patriots,” a swift coup will remove the “tyrannical gov’t” from power and install one in total compliance with the “true wishes” of the Founding Fathers. They’ll have to postpone elections for a bit (you know) because they’ll need to time to root out all those politicians who won’t take a loyalty pledge to these “New Founding Fathers.”

If your plan requires ONE BIG THING to go EXACTLY RIGHT it’s probably a bad plan. If your plan requires many big things to go exactly right, you’re probably an idiot who should not be making plans.

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Targetpractice  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:11:01pm

re: #106 KGxvi

If your plan requires ONE BIG THING to go EXACTLY RIGHT it’s probably a bad plan. If your plan requires many big things to go exactly right, you’re probably an idiot who should not be making plans.

That’s because most of the time, these “plans” are little more than Neo-Confederate porn.

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dangerman  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:11:08pm

re: #92 Ace-o-aces

..and so the robot uprising was quelled, after all man’s devices had failed, by the slipperiest of fruits that God, in his wisdom, has put upon this earth.

Banana: The Fate of the Fruit That Changed the World

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:11:56pm

re: #85 KGxvi

If she is seeking to have the contract declared void (and that seems to be the remedy she’s seeking from my quick read of the complaint) then any such ruling would have to include an order for repayment of the money. More likely, the argument that the defendants would make is that she’s trying to get out of the contract because she think she can make more by writing a book, producing a parody adult film (ew), or giving interviews. They’ll try to argue that the agreement was valid because even though Trump (or whomever) didn’t sign the document, the parties substantially performed all their duties under the agreement and thus there’s no reason to rule that the contract is void.

Deconstructing this:

a) she already said she would repay the money (hence the PR coup, all responses Trump can give show him a liar or a hypocrite along with the Christians who support him)

b) what’s wrong with producing or staring in a parody adult film? I have no problems with women doing legal things with their own bodies (just as men do with weekly bruises and contusions in the NFL) for pay, or writing a book for pay (that’s what all writers do).

c) They can argue all they want that the agreement was completed. That means there was an agreement. Why would a politician need an agreement with an adult film actress at all unless that politician was trying to cover up his association with her?

d) I have no issues with women who wish to go into that industry, provided it is a freely entered contract. Porn is one of the few jobs where women earn more money than men.

e) Ms. Daniels never went bankrupt. She is a successful business woman. (There are women porn stars in Mensa. Porn is not equal to stupid.)

f) I didn’t hide my own job as an editor of erotic Romance novels when I ran for office. I figured I would stand or fall on the issues, not my legal employment. One of the books I edited is in our public library, signed by me as the editor of the book. I didn’t lie about my relationship to the industry and in this uber-conservative town I still got elected over a gun shop owner who previously sat on our board. It turns out voters like people who are honest.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:12:24pm

re: #106 KGxvi

If your plan requires ONE BIG THING to go EXACTLY RIGHT it’s probably a bad plan. If your plan requires many big things to go exactly right, you’re probably an idiot who should not be making plans.

In my profession, you get fired if you create a plan or a system with a single point of failure.

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HappyWarrior(Not Larry Kudlow)  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:13:41pm

re: #105 Charles Johnson

Just read that messed up pile of garbage by Schlichter, and noticed he slipped in a little gotcha bait for liberals - he mentions that in the Civil War “an army of Democrats burned our family hometown.”

He’s talking about Chambersburg, and the “army of Democrats” was the Confederacy.

That’s the kind of thing Schlichter thinks is “funny.”

It’s not just stupid, it’s wrong. Jubal Early who was behind that raid was a Whig. Kurt should read a history book and realize the CSA fanboys are his ideological brothers in arms.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:13:42pm
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:16:41pm

Elsewhere in the UK, other foreign terrorists were not as lucky as the Russian gas gang.
Far-Right Erupts As ‘Alt-Lite’ Activists Prevented From Entering UK

Two far-right activists were detained and deported when they attempted to enter the United Kingdom this weekend, triggering outrage among right-wing media personalities in the U.S. and Europe.

On Friday, far-right YouTube vlogger Brittany Pettibone and her boyfriend, Austrian “Identitarian” activist Martin Sellner, were detained by United Kingdom border police for three days, after which they were deported back to Austria. Pettibone frequently affiliates with right-wing extremists and has earned a spot in the hearts and minds of alt-right activists by flirting with white nationalism, such as the idea that it’s “our fault” if white people become a minority race. She also used to co-host a podcast with the explicitly alt-right personality Tara McCarthy.

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Citizen K  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:16:46pm

re: #96 meteor

Stoke City 0 - Manchester City 0, very early in the first half.

Home a little early from work, ‘cause I had an ultrasound. Doctor says he’ll call me with the results.

I’ve only been following in passing this year, but even then, it’s still a bit absurd how dominant City has been. 1 loss all year?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:16:48pm
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HappyWarrior(Not Larry Kudlow)  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:17:03pm

re: #112 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And then when Lamb wins, he, Daddy, & Saccone will cry fraud.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:17:31pm

LOL!

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dangerman  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:17:59pm

I’m in the middle of reading The Sisters Brothers

There’s a line i quite like:

“If it’s a question of talking with a fool or not at all, I will choose the second”

i post here
i dont twit, fb, or comment anywhere else

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HappyWarrior(Not Larry Kudlow)  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:19:11pm

re: #117 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL!

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She’s so stupid.

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dangerman  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:19:31pm

re: #117 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL!

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betsy’s gonna get eaten alive

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ObserverArt  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:19:34pm

re: #111 HappyWarrior

It’s not just stupid, it’s wrong. Jubal Early who was behind that raid was a Whig. Kurt should read a history book and realize the CSA fanboys are his ideological brothers in arms.

Do you really think these guys don’t know their history?

I think they do know it, they just bend it to get the reactions they get and to get the people with no clue to buy in.

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freetoken  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:19:53pm

re: #119 HappyWarrior

She’s so stupid.

Yet she and her family has made a ton of money from their pyramid scheme.

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dangerman  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:20:23pm

re: #121 ObserverArt

Do you really think these guys don’t know their history?

I think they do know it, they just bend it to get the reactions they get and to get the people with no clue to buy in.

iow, they lie

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Dave In Austin  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:22:20pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:22:34pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:22:39pm

re: #117 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL!

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*BOOM* Shots fired!

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:23:03pm

re: #116 HappyWarrior

And then when Lamb wins, he, Daddy, & Saccone will cry fraud.

Or Donald Trump will claim he never supported him at all (see Luther Strange).

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dangerman  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:24:23pm

already managing expectations

politico

The chairman of Pennsylvania’s Republican Party said Monday the special election in which Democrat Conor Lamb is running neck-and-neck with Republican Rick Saccone is in a “Democrat district,” even though it was represented by a Republican for more than a decade and President Donald Trump won it handily in 2016.

The other reason it’s so tight is, you have to remember, this is a Democrat district, notwithstanding the fact that the president won this by 20 points,” Pennsylvania GOP chairman Val DiGiorgio told Fox News on Monday.

my itals

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HappyWarrior(Not Larry Kudlow)  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:24:41pm

re: #124 Dave In Austin

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Fuck off Kurt. You don’t get to blame modern Dems for the CSA while you support Trump.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:25:01pm

re: #124 Dave In Austin

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In which Kurt advocates the overthrow of the government of the United States.

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HappyWarrior(Not Larry Kudlow)  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:25:04pm

re: #127 Anymouse 🌹

Or Donald Trump will claim he never supported him at all (see Luther Strange).

Yep.

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HappyWarrior(Not Larry Kudlow)  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:25:31pm

re: #130 Blind Frog Belly White

In which Kurt advocates the overthrow of the government of the United States.

He’s such a tool.

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KGxvi  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:26:06pm

re: #109 Anymouse 🌹

Deconstructing this:

a) she already said she would repay the money (hence the PR coup, all responses Trump can give show him a liar or a hypocrite along with the Christians who support him)

b) what’s wrong with producing or staring in a parody adult film? I have no problems with women doing legal things with their own bodies (just as men do with weekly bruises and contusions in the NFL) for pay, or writing a book for pay (that’s what all writers do).

c) They can argue all they want that the agreement was completed. That means there was an agreement. Why would a politician need an agreement with an adult film actress at all unless that politician was trying to cover up his association with her?

d) I have no issues with women who wish to go into that industry, provided it is a freely entered contract. Porn is one of the few jobs where women earn more money than men.

e) Ms. Daniels never went bankrupt. She is a successful business woman. (There are women porn stars in Mensa. Porn is not equal to stupid.)

f) I didn’t hide my own job as an editor of erotic Romance novels when I ran for office. I figured I would stand or fall on the issues, not my legal employment. One of the books I edited is in our public library, signed by me as the editor of the book. I didn’t lie about my relationship to the industry and in this uber-conservative town I still got elected over a gun shop owner who previously sat on our board. It turns out voters like people who are honest.

Ok, going through these points:

a. It’s not much of a PR coup, Trump’s supporters aren’t going to leave him, he’s bottomed out. My point was more that, PR issues aside, if she’s seeking to have the agreement voided, she would have to give back any money paid (there would also be the legal question of why she (and her attorney) accepted the payment without Trump’s signature).

b. The point of the agreement, from Trump’s view is to prevent her from making such films or books involving stories of him or characters based on him. So from their view, seeking to have the agreement nullified for those reasons would be legally improper.

c. Legally speaking, it doesn’t matter why they made the agreement, the question is whether the agreement is legally valid. Politically speaking, as I said in a. it doesn’t really matter because Trump’s not going to lose anymore support, he’s hit his crazification factor.

d. No disagreement there.

e. Never suggested she went bankrupt or was a bad businessperson. Again, though, those points are irrelevant to the specific legal issue: whether the contract, based on the writing and actions of the parties, is valid. That she is a former porn star turned director and producer and that he is the worst president in American history mean nothing to the legal analysis.

f. I assume this goes to Trump trying to hide his relationship with a porn star. He made a poor tactical decision, in essence he fell victim to the honey pot. That is a sign of his (and his attorney’s) stupidity and moral bankruptcy. But for a man with 40 years in the public eye, and who repeatedly demonstrated on the campaign trail that he is a genuinely terrible person, it doesn’t really matter. All of that is baked into the public perception of him. And as I said above, he’s not losing his base unless or until he nominates the in house counsel of NARAL or Planned Parenthood to the Supreme Court.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:26:50pm

re: #124 Dave In Austin

“Gimps?” Someone ought to ask Mr. Schlichter why he knows terminology from BDSM porn. There’s a reason I know it, why does he?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:27:18pm

re: #129 HappyWarrior

Fuck off Kurt. You don’t get to blame modern Dems for the CSA while you support Trump.

It’s as if the Southern Strategy never even happened.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:27:31pm
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HappyWarrior(Not Larry Kudlow)  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:28:36pm

re: #135 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

It’s as if the Southern Strategy never even happened.

What’s that?//

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KGxvi  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:28:43pm

re: #134 Anymouse 🌹

“Gimps?” Someone ought to ask Mr. Schlichter why he knows terminology from BDSM porn. There’s a reason I know it, why does he?

He watched Pulp Fiction once.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:29:12pm

re: #128 dangerman

“Democrat district.” The GOP has been banging that grammatically-incorrect drum for a hundred years (really), as they think it is some sort of pithy insult.

Conservatives can’t run on issues, because conservatism is a religion. Therefore they have to use ad hominem attacks as that is all they have.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:29:39pm

re: #136 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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But no multistory school buildings….

…or bananas.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:30:20pm

I’m just…wtf?

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:30:27pm

re: #85 KGxvi

If she is seeking to have the contract declared void (and that seems to be the remedy she’s seeking from my quick read of the complaint) then any such ruling would have to include an order for repayment of the money. More likely, the argument that the defendants would make is that she’s trying to get out of the contract because she think she can make more by writing a book, producing a parody adult film (ew), or giving interviews. They’ll try to argue that the agreement was valid because even though Trump (or whomever) didn’t sign the document, the parties substantially performed all their duties under the agreement and thus there’s no reason to rule that the contract is void.

I notice that not only did Trump not sign the Agreement, but that Cohen crossed out DD in his “Attorney for” signature and wrote in Essential Consultants LLC. Additionally the other “Attorney for DD” line was left unsigned. So since Cohen and Trump’s claim is that the work was done without Trump’s involvement and Cohen paid for the agreement out of pocket then what duties did he perform exactly? And if he didn’t perform any duties, didn’t sign the document and no attorney working officially on his behalf signed the document then is he technically even a party to the Agreement at all?

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:30:50pm

re: #127 Anymouse 🌹

Or Donald Trump will claim he never supported him at all (see Luther Strange).

From what I’ve read elsewhere, Trump’s already hedging his bets, apparently trash-talking Saccone as a ‘weak candidate’.

Typical enough for Trump; it’s all glory to him when something good happens, but when it all goes to shit, it’s the other guy’s fault.

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KGxvi  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:30:55pm

re: #140 Blind Frog Belly White

But no multistory school buildings….

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…or bananas.

They’ll just upgrade to Daleks.

Dalek Flies For The First Time! - Remembrance Of The Daleks - Doctor Who

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:31:39pm

Betsy DeVille tries to explain her “60 Minutes” disaster with more fumbling.
She gets destroyed in the comments.

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HappyWarrior(Not Larry Kudlow)  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:33:30pm

re: #128 dangerman

already managing expectations

politico

my itals

Lol. Excuses.

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HappyWarrior(Not Larry Kudlow)  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:34:18pm

re: #143 Dr Lizardo

From what I’ve read elsewhere, Trump’s already hedging his bets, apparently trash-talking Saccone as a ‘weak candidate’.

Typical enough for Trump; it’s all glory to him when something good happens, but when it all goes to shit, it’s the other guy’s fault.

There’s no such thing as loyalty with Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:34:20pm
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KGxvi  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:35:02pm

re: #142 goddamnedfrank

I notice that not only did Trump not sign the Agreement, but that Cohen crossed out DD in his “Attorney for” signature and wrote in Essential Consultants LLC. Additionally the other “Attorney for DD” line was left unsigned. So since Cohen and Trump’s claim is that the work was done without Trump’s involvement and Cohen paid for the agreement out of pocket then what duties did he perform exactly? And if he didn’t perform any duties, didn’t sign the document and no attorney working officially on his behalf signed the document the is he technically even a party to the Agreement at all?

All valid questions. One’s which will likely be answered in discovery. Any email/letter that Cohen sent to Daniels’ attorney will have to be produced. As will any documents regarding negotiations and pre-final drafts of the agreement, and probably the documents that Daniels was required to return as part of the agreement. It’s a fascinating case from a purely technical contracts law point of view. And I was mostly trying to lay out what I presume will be their primary defenses.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:35:35pm
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HappyWarrior(Not Larry Kudlow)  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:35:36pm

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s too soon.//

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makeitstop  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:36:03pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m just…wtf?

Sanders on why Trump isn’t doing more on guns: “We can’t just write things down and make them law. We actually have to follow a process.”

After Trump actually said he was going to get rid of bump stocks by ‘writing them out,’ and he claimed he was going to do that all by himself.

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dirkdigglerjr  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:37:06pm

re: #114 Citizen K

City could set the record for most wins and points in a season. Arsenal is still the only team in the present Premier League format to go undefeated with 26 wins and 12 draws in 2003-04.

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KGxvi  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:37:17pm

re: #142 goddamnedfrank

re: #149 KGxvi

Oh, another angle I’m sure they’ll try is that even if Trump is technically a party to the contract, a fair/reasonable reading of the contract is that he’s a third party beneficiary of the agreement.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:37:40pm
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Dave In Austin  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:37:54pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:38:27pm
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Dave In Austin  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:38:27pm
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HappyWarrior(Not Larry Kudlow)  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:38:37pm

re: #152 makeitstop

After Trump actually said he was going to get rid of bump stocks by ‘writing them out,’ and he claimed he was going to do that all by himself.

He just has no idea how his job works. It’d be like making me a physicist.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:38:38pm

re: #150 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s pretty damn strong language, to be honest. It’s a step shy of saying it was an act of war.

I’m no huge fan of PM May, but I hope on this issue, she shows some serious resolve and hits the Russians hard. Expulsions, some hardcore financial sanctions, etc. Make it hurt.

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HappyWarrior(Not Larry Kudlow)  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:39:01pm

re: #155 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:39:43pm

re: #161 HappyWarrior

But Trump is transparent.//

No he’s not, he’s orange.

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KGxvi  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:39:48pm

re: #157 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Which party is our ally in the UK poison attack? Just need to make sure…

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:39:57pm

re: #149 KGxvi

All valid questions. One’s which will likely be answered in discovery. Any email/letter that Cohen sent to Daniels’ attorney will have to be produced. As will any documents regarding negotiations and pre-final drafts of the agreement, and probably the documents that Daniels was required to return as part of the agreement. It’s a fascinating case from a purely technical contracts law point of view. And I was mostly trying to lay out what I presume will be their primary defenses.

I mean admittedly I know fuck all, never went to law school and am talking entirely out of my ass here, but Cohen’s official version of events appears to be that he was illicitly using Trump’s name to perpetrate a fraud upon the Court.

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dangerman  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:40:05pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m just…wtf?

Sanders on why Trump isn’t doing more on guns: “We can’t just write things down and make them law. We actually have to follow a process.”

really?

with that recent tax thing you hand wrote things down in the margins and made them law

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Targetpractice  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:40:23pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m just…wtf?

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From the same White House that just declared it would ignore the Constitution and institute tariffs a week ago.

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DodgerFan1988  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:40:38pm

re: #129 HappyWarrior

Looks like Kurt is getting his wish with the recent bombings of African-American in Austin, TX.

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dangerman  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:41:28pm

re: #146 HappyWarrior

Lol. Excuses.

and such a lame, pitiful one

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:41:55pm

re: #158 Dave In Austin

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Right. As if your average Thai restaurant in any Blue city doesn’t have a couple dishes that are so hot you’d turn to Tabasco for relief.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:42:33pm

re: #133 KGxvi

Ok, going through these points:

a. It’s not much of a PR coup, Trump’s supporters aren’t going to leave him, he’s bottomed out. My point was more that, PR issues aside, if she’s seeking to have the agreement voided, she would have to give back any money paid (there would also be the legal question of why she (and her attorney) accepted the payment without Trump’s signature).

It’s a PR coup because she offered to return the money. Trump either has to say there was no agreement (in such case she is free to say anything she wishes as long as it’s not slander), or take the money (which negates the agreement and still allows her to say what she wishes), or sue her (which with upcoming elections would electrify the media and force GOP politicians to take a stand on the issue.

b. The point of the agreement, from Trump’s view is to prevent her from making such films or books involving stories of him or characters based on him. So from their view, seeking to have the agreement nullified for those reasons would be legally improper.

And to do that, he would have to a) admit there was an agreement and b) sue her.

c. Legally speaking, it doesn’t matter why they made the agreement, the question is whether the agreement is legally valid. Politically speaking, as I said in a. it doesn’t really matter because Trump’s not going to lose anymore support, he’s hit his crazification factor.

Good luck to the candidates that tied their political stars to Trump. Every one of them is going to be asked about this.

d. No disagreement there.

e. Never suggested she went bankrupt or was a bad businessperson. Again, though, those points are irrelevant to the specific legal issue: whether the contract, based on the writing and actions of the parties, is valid. That she is a former porn star turned director and producer and that he is the worst president in American history mean nothing to the legal analysis.

And that’s why it’s a PR checkmate. If he chooses to challenge it in court, he admits he made an NDA with a porn actress during the campaign. The Keyes Constant argues that a certain percentage of people will pull the lever for (R) Beelzebub. Those aren’t the voters Democrats are trying to peel off. It’s the alleged fence-sitters and moderates.

f. I assume this goes to Trump trying to hide his relationship with a porn star. He made a poor tactical decision, in essence he fell victim to the honey pot. That is a sign of his (and his attorney’s) stupidity and moral bankruptcy. But for a man with 40 years in the public eye, and who repeatedly demonstrated on the campaign trail that he is a genuinely terrible person, it doesn’t really matter. All of that is baked into the public perception of him. And as I said above, he’s not losing his base unless or until he nominates the in house counsel of NARAL or Planned Parenthood to the Supreme Court.

Even when Nixon left office, polling showed he had a base of support that would not abandon him if he personally nailed Jesus to the cross.

There is a certain amount of crazy conservative baked into every democratic republic. They are the minority. His base does not matter. Every Republican politician who is wedded to Donald Trump can be called out as hypocrites. The point is not to move his base, it is to move the squishy middle voters or independents or non-voters.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:42:34pm

My Hero……

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dangerman  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:43:27pm

re: #154 KGxvi

Oh, another angle I’m sure they’ll try is that even if Trump is technically a party to the contract, a fair/reasonable reading of the contract is that he’s a third party beneficiary of the agreement.

and then the campaign contribution aspect kicks in, id guess

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HappyWarrior(Not Larry Kudlow)  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:43:28pm

re: #168 dangerman

and such a lame, pitiful one

Pittsburgh’s burbs have been trending Republican a long time. This is one they shouldn’t even have to sweat over.

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dangerman  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:45:17pm

re: #159 HappyWarrior

He just has no idea how his job works. It’d be like making me a physicist.

you wouldnt single handedly be able to change newton’s laws just by “writing them out”

…or would you.???

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:46:51pm

re: #154 KGxvi

Oh, another angle I’m sure they’ll try is that even if Trump is technically a party to the contract, a fair/reasonable reading of the contract is that he’s a third party beneficiary of the agreement.

He can’t be a third party though because the Agreement lists the location of arbitration occurring at DD’s personal election and lists claims that DD releases as part of the completed contract. It also says “DD warrants and represents” that he won’t go after PP for any disclosures made to others prior to the date of the agreement. The whole thing was very explicitly drawn up with him as an intended party.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:47:31pm

re: #174 dangerman

you wouldnt single handedly be able to change newton’s laws just by “writing them out”

…or would you.???

There’s something to be said for changing the gravitational constant so I’d lose weight without working at it….

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:48:40pm

Time to call it a day. Have a good rest of the day, Lizards.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:49:48pm
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dangerman  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:52:07pm

re: #176 Blind Frog Belly White

There’s something to be said for changing the gravitational constant so I’d lose weight without working at it….

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:54:14pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:54:34pm

re: #173 HappyWarrior

Pittsburgh’s burbs have been trending Republican a long time. This is one they shouldn’t even have to sweat over.

Happy, what do you think is behind that long time trend?

I have my suspicions but I’d like to get your thinking.

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lawhawk  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:55:04pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m just…wtf?

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The process.

Mouth engage NRA ass. Rinse and repeat.

The NRA says jump and Trump and GOP ask how high. They are on such a tight leash that the NRA yanked the moment there was a proposal that might reduce gun sales. That’s why the entire Trump/GOP focus is on stuff that will increase gun sales - arming teachers, instead of doing things that might make everyone safer with fewer guns sold to the wrong people - underage, criminals, those with domestic violence or mental health issues.

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makeitstop  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:55:08pm

What’s the word….punk’d, maybe?

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lawhawk  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:56:33pm

re: #183 makeitstop

I’m thinking the North Koreans can’t believe their good fortune that Trump actually bought their line without so much as a moment’s hesitation.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:57:51pm

teehee

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:58:04pm

re: #178 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

That’s an interesting wrinkle.

If a notary was required for the agreement and the notary didn’t sign it, the agreement is invalid on its face (forget all the other legal wrangling).

It also shows there is an agreement if Texas is investigating it (thereby torpedoing Trump’s and Cohen’s claims there was no such agreement).

I am really glad this is “stupid Watergate,” as a competent crook wouldn’t have been caught in any of this.

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dangerman  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:58:56pm

re: #180 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Pennsylvania GOP chairman says Tuesday special election is in ‘Democrat district’

what a boneheaded thing to say

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HappyWarrior(Not Larry Kudlow)  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:59:18pm

re: #181 ObserverArt

Happy, what do you think is behind that long time trend?

I have my suspicions but I’d like to get your thinking.

Okay. I don’t live in the area but my belief is it has to do with cultural issues dominating the parties and the GOP knowing how to push the buttons of resentment. It’s sad honestly since there are a lot of people there who are the children and grandchildren of immigrants. It amazes me really. My grandparents home in Johnstown went for Mondale and then went for Trump but back then there were more people with memories of life before the New Deal.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 12, 2018 • 1:59:24pm

re: #177 Dr Lizardo

Time to call it a day. Have a good rest of the day, Lizards.

I’m out for a nap before my village board meeting. Please keep the Republic from flying apart for the next few hours.

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ObserverArt  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:00:13pm

re: #178 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

The Hill ✔
@thehill
Texas investigating notary over failure to sign Stormy Daniels nondisclosure agreement hill.cm

4:49 PM - Mar 12, 2018

Interesting. I asked about the NDA having to be signed in the presence of a notary. The answers from the lizards was it is not needed for contracts.

The Hill article makes it sound like it had the notary seal but no signature. It also sort of hints the NDA would need notarized due to Texas law.

I is confused. This NDA and everything around it is getting murkier by the day.

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dangerman  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:01:15pm

re: #185 Backwoods_Sleuth

teehee

MAGA people are rushing to defend Betsy DeVos, who was ambushed by unfair gotcha questions like “Have you ever been in a cafeteria” and “What do you think schools do”

it’s the effin Secretary of Education equivalent of “what newspapers and magazines did you regularly read?”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:01:26pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:04:13pm

re: #191 dangerman

it’s the effin Secretary of Education equivalent of “what newspapers and magazines did you regularly read?”

this tweet will never get old:

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makeitstop  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:04:45pm

re: #190 ObserverArt

Interesting. I asked about the NDA having to be signed in the presence of a notary. The answers from the lizards was it is not needed for contracts.

The Hill article makes it sound like it had the notary seal but no signature. It also sort of hints the NDA would need notarized due to Texas law.

I is confused. This NDA and everything around it is getting murkier by the day.

Maybe Says Who is a notary?

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dangerman  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:09:08pm

re: #194 makeitstop

Maybe Says Who is a notary?

my understanding (probably flawed and different by state) is that you cant notarize a doc you are a party to - it would be a conflict

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:09:53pm

re: #190 ObserverArt

Interesting. I asked about the NDA having to be signed in the presence of a notary. The answers from the lizards was it is not needed for contracts.

The Hill article makes it sound like it had the notary seal but no signature. It also sort of hints the NDA would need notarized due to Texas law.

I is confused. This NDA and everything around it is getting murkier by the day.

Not signing it could just be an oversight. Not signing it and not recording the transaction is suspicious. Not signing it, not recording it and still stamping it with two signature lines left blank and not noting that those particular lines are being excluded from the notarization is a giant red flag.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:10:35pm

re: #181 ObserverArt

Happy, what do you think is behind that long time trend?

I have my suspicions but I’d like to get your thinking.

Answer—Right wing churches, opposition to abortion and the NRA.

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KGxvi  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:12:03pm

re: #180 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Giphy

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William Lewis  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:12:09pm

re: #37 Anymouse 🌹

The Christians that would be bothered by Stormy already do not support him, though. It drives me nuts to see people support him for any reason but those who claim this belief should not even do anything other than pray for his conviction and imprisonment.

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HappyWarrior(Not Larry Kudlow)  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:12:19pm

re: #197 Joe Bacon 🌹

Answer—Right wing churches, opposition to abortion and the NRA.

Yep. I think xenophobia too Joe. And that’s why Sanders frustrates me when he talks about the WWC, he never calls out nativism in said group.

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:14:18pm

re: #158 Dave In Austin

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:14:42pm

re: #200 HappyWarrior

Yep. I think xenophobia too Joe. And that’s why Sanders frustrates me when he talks about the WWC, he never calls out nativism in said group.

Happy, racism in Western PA was always there. In 1964 my then Congressman Frank Clark was one of the only 2 Northern Democrats who voted No on the Civil Rights Act.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:15:59pm

for Ace:

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:16:33pm

re: #196 goddamnedfrank

Not signing it could just be an oversight. Not signing it and not recording the transaction is suspicious. Not signing it, not recording it and still stamping it with two signature lines left blank and not noting that those particular lines are being excluded from the notarization is a giant red flag.

Not so much a Red Flag for nefarious activity, but basically just an indicator of haste & sloppiness.

That being said, my own experience with judges on the higher benches is that they can give you that look over their reading glasses when you bring some flimsy Settlement Agreement and General Release into their court, and try to insist that despite misspelling the name of the Plaintiff throughout, and getting the dates wrong by one year, that the document should still be enforceable.

There’s usually an embarassed moment of silence after you finish begging the court to overlook the now-clear fact that you’re a dumbass who really shouldn’t be practicing law. Papers shuffle. The bailiff stifles a belch. Somewhere off in the distance, you think, people are happy, going about their lives.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:17:17pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:17:31pm

re: #188 HappyWarrior

Okay. I don’t live in the area but my belief is it has to do with cultural issues dominating the parties and the GOP knowing how to push the buttons of resentment. It’s sad honestly since there are a lot of people there who are the children and grandchildren of immigrants. It amazes me really. My grandparents home in Johnstown went for Mondale and then went for Trump but back then there were more people with memories of life before the New Deal.

Pretty much my thinking.

I think Deb touched on a bit of it when we were talking about our life around the steel factory days this morning. He mentioned going to school and getting to the Irish Catholic school which was near the German Catholic School (I hope I am remembering that correctly).

I am just about finished reading “Reckless” by Chrissie Hynde (Pretenders) and she mentioned living for a time in Cleveland and how aware you had to be of the neighborhoods and how you had to “fit” in or there would be trouble. That was the early 70s.

Being segmented into areas of only people like you doesn’t help anyone. You are suspicious from the get-go and you have nothing but your own people telling you how things are. Many old cities were like that.

Take away the jobs and that suspicion just goes crazy. It is always “them” that messed it up for “you.” And the politics of the right have played on that from the late 70s on with ReaganNomics. And it has only gotten worse to where Trump didn’t hide it. He sold it.

It’s really going to be a hell of a test to see where this all falls.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:17:45pm

re: #196 goddamnedfrank

Not signing it could just be an oversight. Not signing it and not recording the transaction is suspicious. Not signing it, not recording it and still stamping it with two signature lines left blank and not noting that those particular lines are being excluded from the notarization is a giant red flag.

Actually the notary did this twice, once for the NDA itself where two signature lines were left blank and once for the side letter agreement where just DD’s signature line was left blank. Both times the notary failed to sign and presumably both times failed to record the notarization.

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HappyWarrior(Not Larry Kudlow)  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:17:59pm

re: #202 Joe Bacon 🌹

Happy, racism in Western PA was always there. In 1964 my then Congressman Frank Clark was one of the only 2 Northern Democrats who voted No on the Civil Rights Act.

I agree. I’m just saying the expanded GOP racism has made the GOP more popular there.

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KGxvi  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:18:20pm

re: #204 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Not so much a Red Flag for nefarious activity, but basically just an indicator of haste & sloppiness.

That being said, my own experience with judges on the higher benches is that they can give you that look over their reading glasses when you bring some flimsy Settlement Agreement and General Release into their court, and try to insist that despite misspelling the name of the Plaintiff throughout, and getting the dates wrong by one year, that the document should still be enforceable.

There’s usually an embarassed moment of silence after you finish begging the court to overlook the now-clear fact that you’re a dumbass who really shouldn’t be practicing law. Papers shuffle. The bailiff stifles a belch. Somewhere off in the distance, you think, people are happy, going about their lives.

But there is no joy in Mudville.

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HappyWarrior(Not Larry Kudlow)  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:18:34pm

re: #205 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ivanka needs to be investigated.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:18:46pm

re: #204 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

That being said, my own experience with judges on the higher benches is that they can give you that look over their reading glasses when you bring some flimsy Settlement Agreement and General Release into their court, and try to insist that despite misspelling the name of the Plaintiff throughout, and getting the dates wrong by one year, that the document should still be enforceable.

Rage Furby School of Law

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gocart mozart  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:19:00pm
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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:19:16pm

re: #199 William Lewis

The Christians that would be bothered by Stormy already do not support him, though. It drives me nuts to see people support him for any reason but those who claim this belief should not even do anything other than pray for his conviction and imprisonment.

That was on display on Friday on Bill Maher, where the oleaginous Erick Erickson was on full display, virtue-signaling like crazy to the people who he used to call his comrades in arms.

The narrow-minded, resentful, ignorant Christians have flung loose all pretense of actually worshipping Jesus to instead worship a loathsome pervert.

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Kragar  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:20:15pm
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KGxvi  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:20:42pm

re: #204 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

I feel bad for both attorneys, because if you’re the one who didn’t draft it, you get the look of “did you not bother to read and red line this?”

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makeitstop  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:20:58pm

re: #214 Kragar

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EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

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Kragar  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:21:38pm

re: #216 makeitstop

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gocart mozart  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:22:03pm
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HappyWarrior(Not Larry Kudlow)  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:22:14pm

re: #206 ObserverArt

Pretty much my thinking.

I think Deb touched on a bit of it when we were talking about our life around the steel factory days this morning. He mentioned going to school and getting to the Irish Catholic school which was near the German Catholic School (I hope I am remembering that correctly).

I am just about finished reading “Reckless” by Chrissie Hynde (Pretenders) and she mentioned living for a time in Cleveland and how aware you had to be of the neighborhoods and how you had to “fit” in or there would be trouble. That was the early 70s.

Being segmented into areas of only people like you doesn’t help anyone. You are suspicious from the get-go and you have nothing but your own people telling you how things are. Many old cities were like that.

Take away the jobs and that suspicion just goes crazy. It is always “them” that messed it up for “you.” And the politics of the right have played on that from the late 70s on with ReaganNomics. And it has only gotten worse to where Trump didn’t hide it. He sold it.

It’s really going to be a hell of a test to see where this all falls.

Yep. I think fwiw my dad’s parents were more liberal minded since they lived all around the US, were multi ethnic- German and Irish funnily enough but also from different economic backgrounds too.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:23:12pm

re: #209 KGxvi

But there is no joy in Mudville.

No, in those kinds of hearings, there generally is not. Nope. Nada. Zilch.

Just a long, slow trudge in the smoggy, echoing parking garage, towing that goddam heavy banker’s box crammed with crumpled papers stamped in angry red letters.

Every step, it gets heavier, crammed as it is with the ugly evidence of a once-promising legal career now reduced to a sniggering inside joke…

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gocart mozart  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:23:13pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:24:23pm

re: #221 gocart mozart

Just the merest suggestion that someone should be able to take away lawfully purchased guns is what keeps Dana Mahgunz awake at night.

…Unless it’s Donald Trump, because when he says it, everybody knows he’s full of shit, so it passes without comment when he walks it back.

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freetoken  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:25:02pm

Family Values guy, no doubt:

Trump-loving pastor resigns from school board after raging about racial mixing and ‘white genocide’

[…]

In an interview published soon after the revelation of his posts, Celeste blasted schools that would cater to “the nonbelievers, the Jews and everyone else.”

“Is there anything wrong with protecting the white race?” Celeste mused.

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HappyWarrior(Not Larry Kudlow)  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:28:47pm

re: #221 gocart mozart

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Dana wants to do everything to shift blame. It’s tyrsnny to even consider gun control but medical records? Pfft.

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dangerman  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:29:00pm

re: #207 goddamnedfrank

Actually the notary did this twice, once for the NDA itself where two signature lines were left blank and once for the side letter agreement where just DD’s signature line was left blank. Both times the notary failed to sign and presumably both times failed to record the notarization.

my own non lawyerly experience is when sigs need notarization, there’s a separate notary sig and stamp for each party signature they’re, well, acknowledging

often on separate pages

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HappyWarrior(Not Larry Kudlow)  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:29:04pm
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Ace-o-aces  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:30:57pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:31:11pm

There are no appeals where he’s going.

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freetoken  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:32:15pm

re: #226 HappyWarrior

Jeezus.

That’s Je$u$ in America.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:39:08pm

re: #202 Joe Bacon 🌹

Happy, racism in Western PA was always there. In 1964 my then Congressman Frank Clark was one of the only 2 Northern Democrats who voted No on the Civil Rights Act.

PA has been described as Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, with Alabama in between. I grew up in the Alabama part.

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BlueGrl21  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:39:19pm

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

for Ace:

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This would be one of the reasons I stick with basketball.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:39:41pm
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:40:38pm

Yikes!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:43:43pm

re: #232 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Notice those two long stretches of decreasing deficits?

You’re welcome, America.

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fern01  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:47:22pm

re: #233 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Yikes!

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Russia gets a mention - from the link

The BBC reports that Savvidis, a businessman, is one of the richest men in Greece. He “was born in Georgia of Greek heritage and is a former member of the Russian parliament.”

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KGxvi  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:47:48pm

re: #220 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

No, in those kinds of hearings, there generally is not. Nope. Nada. Zilch.

Just a long, slow trudge in the smoggy, echoing parking garage, towing that goddam heavy banker’s box crammed with crumpled papers stamped in angry red letters.

Every step, it gets heavier, crammed as it is with the ugly evidence of a once-promising legal career now reduced to a sniggering inside joke…

I don’t know how many aspiring lawyers I’ve told to not do it, that the best part of being a lawyer is going to law school, and that it’s almost all downhill from there. I mean, if you can get into a great school and on a near free ride, and you can parlay that into a dream job, sure… but there’s only so many federal court clerkships that are going to lead to those jobs.

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fern01  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:49:30pm

re: #234 Blind Frog Belly White

Notice those two long stretches of decreasing deficits?

You’re welcome, America.

And remember the media screaming at President Obama because - deficits. That they were decreasing rapidly did not get noticed.
Suddenly increasing deficits are not an issue.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:50:30pm

I’m kind of relieved USA men’s national soccer team didn’t make the World Cup in Russia this time.

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KGxvi  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:54:14pm

re: #238 Barefoot Grin

I’m kind of relieved USA men’s national soccer team didn’t make the World Cup in Russia this time.

I’m really curious what’s going to happen with 2022. It seems strange to me that very little attention is being paid to the fact that they are using slave labor to build the stadiums in the worst possible conditions.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:56:17pm

Today’s lunch—Corned Beef and Coleslaw on rye at Art’s Deli in Studio City—where every sandwich is…A WORK OF ART!

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:57:07pm

It’s about to get hot.

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gocart mozart  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:58:05pm

I like her style

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:58:11pm

re: #240 Joe Bacon 🌹

Waitress may I have a wheelbarrow with my doggie bag. Just kidding. That would be two meals for me.

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freetoken  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:59:07pm

re: #241 Patricia Kayden

Well, I’m still very cautious about the whole thing with Daniels.

As far as we know, this may be all a publicity stunt for her.

Not that I don’t believe Trump is guilty of a thousand things like this, just that we need to be careful for some bad actor not to blow up and give Trump ammo for his attacks on the media and all civil society.

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TedStriker  Mar 12, 2018 • 2:59:08pm

re: #242 gocart mozart

I like her style

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I like the cut of her jib…

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 12, 2018 • 3:01:30pm

re: #239 KGxvi

I’m really curious what’s going to happen with 2022. It seems strange to me that very little attention is being paid to the fact that they are using slave labor to build the stadiums in the worst possible conditions.

I wish I hadn’t become such a fan of soccer. It seems corrupt to the marrow. (FIFA corruption was one of Michael Steele’s big cases.)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 12, 2018 • 3:01:48pm

re: #242 gocart mozart

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ObserverArt  Mar 12, 2018 • 3:02:10pm

Heh, just turned on MSNBC to watch Ari and his one guest is Sam Nunberg.

Back for more Sam?

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 12, 2018 • 3:02:29pm

re: #244 freetoken

Yes, I’m sure this is a publicity stunt with Trump but if she releases videos and text messages and manages to damage Trump even a little, she’s alright with me. Enemy of my enemy and all that.

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makeitstop  Mar 12, 2018 • 3:05:49pm

re: #245 TedStriker

I like the cut of her jib…

Is that what the kids are calling it nowadays?

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KGxvi  Mar 12, 2018 • 3:07:56pm

re: #246 Barefoot Grin

I wish I hadn’t become such a fan of soccer. It seems corrupt to the marrow. (FIFA corruption was one of Michael Steele’s big cases.)

John Oliver had a great take on this when the 2014 Cup was starting:

FIFA and the World Cup: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)

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dangerman  Mar 12, 2018 • 3:08:11pm

while trump is in slow motion cave-in to the nra, White House insists Trump has not ‘chickened out’ on NRA

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KGxvi  Mar 12, 2018 • 3:08:52pm

re: #248 ObserverArt

Heh, just turned on MSNBC to watch Ari and his one guest is Sam Nunberg.

Back for more Sam?

Is he going to tell us all what he spoke to the Grand Jury about?

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 12, 2018 • 3:11:31pm

re: #248 ObserverArt

Heh, just turned on MSNBC to watch Ari and his one guest is Sam Nunberg.

Back for more Sam?

Nunberg’s defense of Trump is tedious. Do Rightwingers really believe that Mueller isn’t working towards catching the biggest fish swimming in the swamp?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 12, 2018 • 3:11:35pm

re: #243 PhillyPretzel

Waitress may I have a wheelbarrow with my doggie bag. Just kidding. That would be two meals for me.

Philly, I had to have a decompression day to get my mind off of work. It’s been a real CENSORED lately…

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retired cynic  Mar 12, 2018 • 3:15:05pm

re: #255 Joe Bacon 🌹

Philly, I had to have a decompression day to get my mind off of work. It’s been a real CENSORED lately…

I’m planning a decompression couple of hours. Got a big project off to the printer today, so a deep breath before the corrections start.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 12, 2018 • 3:18:02pm

re: #255 Joe Bacon 🌹

re: #256 retired cynic

Same here. That is one of the reasons why I was off today.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 12, 2018 • 3:19:37pm

Here’s your current lead story on Fox:

CNN doing live coverage on this bullshit declaration right now and speculating Trump will use this as a pretext to fire Mueller.

Also, the Democrats on the Committee were kept completely in the dark on this.

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ipsos  Mar 12, 2018 • 3:19:39pm

Important thoughts about the mess that is @nytopinion, well worth reading…

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gocart mozart  Mar 12, 2018 • 3:23:03pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 12, 2018 • 3:23:25pm

re: #244 freetoken

Well, I’m still very cautious about the whole thing with Daniels.

As far as we know, this may be all a publicity stunt for her.

Not that I don’t believe Trump is guilty of a thousand things like this, just that we need to be careful for some bad actor not to blow up and give Trump ammo for his attacks on the media and all civil society.

All the stupid appearances and dancing around the payment and the NDA the lawyer has admitted exists is a pretty stupid way for Trump to make the media look bad.

But this is Trump. I guess blowing off a toe or three and saying it was the media’s doing works in a weird way.

And as the lady lawyer (didn’t catch her name) on Ari said more or less, Stormy is a part of the story and people are going to fall into the sexiness of the story but she is most interested in following the money.

Oh wow, Ari just reported the House Investigation into the Russian hacks and influence has stopped the investigation calling it complete and is going to release its report.

He says word is the report will say, surprise: No influence on the campaign or the election.

Nunes all over this BS. They will call it evidence and Trump will try to close down Mueller.

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gocart mozart  Mar 12, 2018 • 3:29:39pm

re: #261 ObserverArt

Josh Marshal posits that the real reason they want to silence her is that Donnie may like it a bit, how shall we say, submissive. Getting spanked by a dominant woman and so forth. Conflicts with his macho womanizing posture and might not go over well with the MAGAt’s.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 12, 2018 • 3:30:16pm

re: #258 Eclectic Cyborg

Here’s your current lead story on Fox:

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CNN doing live coverage on this bullshit declaration right now and speculating Trump will use this as a pretext to fire Mueller.

Also, the Democrats on the Committee were kept completely in the dark on this.

Day off today. I flipped through Fox two or three times. First time was the Christian “rock” band Mercy, Me singing about the glory of the Lord; second was Laura Ingraham…I can’t remember and it doesn’t matter; third was some pollster exclaiming that Dems elect ultra-libs through primaries and always lose, so nothing to worry about. Another day in bizarro world.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 12, 2018 • 3:31:03pm

re: #262 gocart mozart

Josh Marshal posits that the real reason they want to silence her is that Donnie may like it a bit, how shall we say, submissive. Getting spanked by a dominant woman and so forth. Conflicts with his macho womanizing posture and might not go over well with the MAGAt’s.

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I can’t imagine what Putin would have on Trump that would be truly shocking at this point.

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gocart mozart  Mar 12, 2018 • 3:37:19pm
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Skip Intro  Mar 12, 2018 • 3:37:49pm

re: #262 gocart mozart

Who knows how damaging she will be, if she’s damaging at all. This is like the Mueller investigation, lots of talk but nothing that goes directly to Trump.

I’m wondering, once again, if we all aren’t getting played.

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Skip Intro  Mar 12, 2018 • 3:43:19pm
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makeitstop  Mar 12, 2018 • 3:48:01pm

They fuckin’ wish.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 12, 2018 • 3:48:32pm

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freetoken  Mar 12, 2018 • 3:50:54pm

Creationism is rampant in African societies, and part of it is imported from the West:

Lucy vs. Adam and Eve: The theory of evolution in Africa

[…]

Pentecoastal churches from Kenya to Mozambique openly oppose the evolution theory. In religious schools, evolution is often not taught at all. In state-run schools, it is not always included in the syllabus. In South Africa, for example, the teaching of evolution was only introduced in 2008. The limited amount of resources and training available also means that youngsters often do not get the chance to engage with the subject. […]

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KGxvi  Mar 12, 2018 • 3:50:58pm

re: #268 makeitstop

They fuckin’ wish.

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It’s also worth pointing out that the House Intel investigation has been the most problematic (read: partisan) from the beginning, and that Devin Nunes has not been… helpful.

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Skip Intro  Mar 12, 2018 • 3:53:44pm

re: #271 KGxvi

I disagree. Nunes has been so helpful it’s almost as though he was working for Russia.

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scottslemmons  Mar 12, 2018 • 3:54:10pm

“So how ‘bout it, fellow criminals? Have any of us committed crimes?”

(reads cue card) “No, sir!”

“Well, nothing to see here!” (cartoon evil laughter) “Now for more crime!”

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Stanley Sea  Mar 12, 2018 • 3:59:36pm

Uh, OK

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Mar 12, 2018 • 4:00:05pm

I called it, a massive conspiracy media offensive against the UK in response to May’s announcement:

Facebook Post

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 12, 2018 • 4:00:20pm

re: #274 Stanley Sea

Uh, OK

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And so the divide between “us” and “them” grows ever deeper.

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scottslemmons  Mar 12, 2018 • 4:02:05pm

re: #276 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

And so the divide between “us” and “them” grows ever deeper.

Ehh, the GOP is a death cult. Hate and death threats is all they offer anymore.

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KGxvi  Mar 12, 2018 • 4:02:41pm

re: #274 Stanley Sea

Uh, OK

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What are the odds that he said some very bad things about Obama that could be described as hating him and by extension the country?

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Mar 12, 2018 • 4:03:04pm

The conspiracy industry is the dog pack to Putin’s Pavlov.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 12, 2018 • 4:03:20pm

re: #277 scottslemmons

Ehh, the GOP is a death cult. Hate and death threats is all they offer anymore.

It’s not that I disagree with you. My problem is that there’s 40% of the goddamn country that refuses to see “the other guys” as anything resembling human. They refuse to see reason and try to understand us, they just hate without any rational basis. And that bothers me on a deep level.

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Skip Intro  Mar 12, 2018 • 4:04:50pm

re: #277 scottslemmons

Ehh, the GOP is a death cult. Hate and death threats is all they offer anymore.

It does seem to sell well.

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Skip Intro  Mar 12, 2018 • 4:05:15pm

re: #278 KGxvi

What are the odds that he said some very bad things about Obama that could be described as hating him and by extension the country?

Nobody would care.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 12, 2018 • 4:06:09pm
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PhillyPretzel  Mar 12, 2018 • 4:07:19pm

re: #283 goddamnedfrank

The red herring did not work.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Mar 12, 2018 • 4:10:14pm

re: #283 goddamnedfrank

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I thought there was a whole other series of earth shattering memos coming too?

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KGxvi  Mar 12, 2018 • 4:10:19pm

Not entirely sure what to make of this:

In an executive order Monday night, President Trump said his administration has uncovered national security concerns in Broadcom’s hostile bid to take over Qualcomm, a deal that would have put one of America’s biggest mobile chipmakers in the hands of a company based in Singapore.

On the one hand, I’m always glad to see major mergers/acquisitions get stopped, especially hostile take overs. On the other, national security seems to be a strange argument on its face. Especially considering that Broadcom has headquarters in California along with Singapore and it’s history can be traced back to being a division of HP. It’s not like this company is a national company of Singapore, it’s actually a publicly traded company on the Nasdaq.

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mmmirele  Mar 12, 2018 • 4:13:03pm

re: #186 Anymouse 🌹

That’s an interesting wrinkle.

If a notary was required for the agreement and the notary didn’t sign it, the agreement is invalid on its face (forget all the other legal wrangling).

It also shows there is an agreement if Texas is investigating it (thereby torpedoing Trump’s and Cohen’s claims there was no such agreement).

I am really glad this is “stupid Watergate,” as a competent crook wouldn’t have been caught in any of this.

Unless the law has changed recently, just because a notary doesn’t sign a contract does not make it invalid in Texas. (Source: me. I graduated from a Texas law school and actually passed the bar back in B.C., before computer.)

I would like to suggest a different way to look at it. This, plus the lack of Trump’s signature, the way the money was paid, and whatever else comes up could all be factors in the invalidity of the agreement. Or (and this would amuse me greatly), perhaps the agreement is void on its face as contrary to public policy.

Oh, and by the way, just because you break a contract doesn’t mean the world ends. The first thing I learned in contracts lo all these years ago was remedies, which was a backdoor way of getting us to learn “what is a contract?” It was quite clever. We learned from day 1 that contracts aren’t inviolable or sacrosanct.

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Renaissance_Man  Mar 12, 2018 • 4:13:24pm

re: #280 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

It’s not that I disagree with you. My problem is that there’s 40% of the goddamn country that refuses to see “the other guys” as anything resembling human. They refuse to see reason and try to understand us, they just hate without any rational basis. And that bothers me on a deep level.

Sad as it is, I am inclined to agree with them on philosophy. As in, I no longer really see them as people either - at least, not as people you can engage with and speak to like other humans. There’s no point - we don’t share a reality. They’re just a number to be overcome.

I am aware this makes me a worse person.

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Skip Intro  Mar 12, 2018 • 4:14:18pm

re: #286 KGxvi

This is what you make of everything Trump does. How does he make money from it?

Expect to see a big contribution from Broadcom to Trump’s 2020 election campaign and the deal to go through.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Mar 12, 2018 • 4:15:18pm

re: #258 Eclectic Cyborg

Here’s your current lead story on Fox:

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CNN doing live coverage on this bullshit declaration right now and speculating Trump will use this as a pretext to fire Mueller.

Also, the Democrats on the Committee were kept completely in the dark on this.

We, the Permanent Investigative Committee of the Imperial Wardrobe Commission, find no evidence that His Majesty the Emperor has at any time appeared in an unclothed state in public.

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Renaissance_Man  Mar 12, 2018 • 4:15:47pm

re: #286 KGxvi

Not entirely sure what to make of this:

On the one hand, I’m always glad to see major mergers/acquisitions get stopped, especially hostile take overs. On the other, national security seems to be a strange argument on its face. Especially considering that Broadcom has headquarters in California along with Singapore and it’s history can be traced back to being a division of HP. It’s not like this company is a national company of Singapore, it’s actually a publicly traded company on the Nasdaq.

Without doubt, it is because someone in his circle stands to make a lot of money by blocking this merger. To this administration, the powers of the US Government exist to be abused for their personal gain.

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Skip Intro  Mar 12, 2018 • 4:15:55pm

re: #288 Renaissance_Man

I don’t think it makes me a worse person because I don’t respect anyone who thinks Alex Jones is a legitimate news source. If it does, tough shit.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 12, 2018 • 4:16:12pm
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KGxvi  Mar 12, 2018 • 4:17:20pm

re: #287 mmmirele

We learned from day 1 that contracts aren’t inviolable or sacrosanct.

My first year Property professor once told us to think of cases as stories, and that all stories start with someone making a bad decision. What I figured out very quickly in Contracts was that every case was because someone didn’t do what they were supposed to do under the contract, which turns out, happens a lot.

Otherwise, my first year Contracts experience went something like this:

Professor: Mr. G, what is the rule from this case?
Me: [reads rule directly from case book]
Professor: Nah [states the exact opposite]
Me: Um, huh, ok.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Mar 12, 2018 • 4:21:32pm

re: #290 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

We, the Permanent Investigative Committee of the Imperial Wardrobe Commission, find no evidence that His Majesty the Emperor has at any time appeared in an unclothed state in public.

BREAKING: WINGNUTS FAIL TO FIND WHAT THEY REFUSED TO LOOK FOR

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 12, 2018 • 4:26:45pm

Honestly this feels like a watershed moment.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 12, 2018 • 4:27:49pm

re: #296 goddamnedfrank

Honestly this feels like a watershed moment.

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lizardofid  Mar 12, 2018 • 4:29:11pm

Hello all

Shannon Watts was just on PBS News Hour. I don’t guess I had ever heard her speak. She is formidable.

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thecommodore  Mar 12, 2018 • 4:29:20pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 12, 2018 • 4:30:24pm
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ipsos  Mar 12, 2018 • 4:31:18pm

re: #300 The Vicious Babushka

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….until we make them the majority, that is!

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meteor  Mar 12, 2018 • 4:33:43pm

re: #275 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Oh, good freaking grief. He thinks everything is a pedophile cult.

You used to see guys like him ranting to themselves outside the bus stops.

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BeachDem  Mar 12, 2018 • 4:34:30pm

Heh

Probably apt for just about every cabinet member (as well as Javanka)

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ipsos  Mar 12, 2018 • 4:37:25pm

Maybe I missed it amidst the firehose of news…but was there ever a resolution about the permit for the march on the Mall on the 24th? My teenager is after me to take her down to DC for the march, and I’m inclined to do it.

(Sidebar: are enough Lizards going to have a lizard marching section?)

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Belafon  Mar 12, 2018 • 4:38:25pm

re: #252 dangerman

while trump is in slow motion cave-in to the nra, White House insists Trump has not ‘chickened out’ on NRA

You can’t cave if you you weren’t going to do anything in the first place. He lied to the Stoneman Douglas kids, even the one whose dad tried to help Trump.

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Belafon  Mar 12, 2018 • 4:43:17pm

re: #266 Skip Intro

Who knows how damaging she will be, if she’s damaging at all. This is like the Mueller investigation, lots of talk but nothing that goes directly to Trump.

I’m wondering, once again, if we all aren’t getting played.

First, we know very little about what Meuller actually has, and that’s a good thing.
Second, Daniels is a part of Trump’s story, a part where he cheats on his wife around the time she’s pregnant. Stay outraged at this type of stuff.
Finally, none of this is going to fix our country. That’s up to us. The time for waiting and hoping someone else will is over.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 12, 2018 • 4:43:26pm

re: #297 Stanley Sea

I wish Democratic Congress persons would stop treating this President as if he were normal and supporting his agenda. washingtonpost.com

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 12, 2018 • 4:46:06pm

These guys should be highlighted negatively (I first used another word, but want to be careful) for sabotaging the protection of America:

intelligence.house.gov

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 12, 2018 • 4:48:35pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 12, 2018 • 4:51:34pm

Overlord Putin is pleased.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 12, 2018 • 4:52:12pm

re: #145 The Vicious Babushka

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bill d. (b.d.)  Mar 12, 2018 • 4:53:06pm

re: #311 The Vicious Babushka

Overlord Putin is pleased.

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Have Assange & Greenwald come out and trumpeted this exoneration yet?

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gocart mozart  Mar 12, 2018 • 4:54:13pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 12, 2018 • 4:55:59pm
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Decatur Deb  Mar 12, 2018 • 4:59:50pm

re: #304 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

If Mueller is fired.

That’s an extremely valuable tool. Might be possible to add a city here. Advance prep like this is critical to a successful show.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Mar 12, 2018 • 5:01:00pm

re: #288 Renaissance_Man

Sad as it is, I am inclined to agree with them on philosophy. As in, I no longer really see them as people either - at least, not as people you can engage with and speak to like other humans. There’s no point - we don’t share a reality. They’re just a number to be overcome.

I am aware this makes me a worse person.

Recognizing reality does not make you a worse person, far from it. These are evil people, they see any sign of respect or attempt at dialog as weakness.

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 12, 2018 • 5:01:27pm

re: #25 Kragar

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Skip Intro  Mar 12, 2018 • 5:02:36pm

From the Chicago Trib on the massive hypocrisy of the evangelicals.

Now consider how evangelicals reacted to President Bill Clinton’s extramarital relationship with Monica Lewinsky.

James Dobson of Focus on the Family wrote in September 1998: “As it turns out, character DOES matter. You can’t run a family, let alone a country, without it. How foolish to believe that a person who lacks honesty and moral integrity is qualified to lead a nation and the world!”

Gary Bauer, head of the Family Research Council at the time, wrote: “The seamy facts under public discussion are shameful enough. But fascination with this story should not be allowed to obscure the deeper lesson these incidents impart. That lesson is this: Character counts — in a people, in the institutions of our society, and in our national leadership.”

And Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, said Clinton “has lost the moral authority and the trust necessary to govern. He has fallen below the threshold of what is necessary to be able to effectively serve in office.”

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meteor  Mar 12, 2018 • 5:03:51pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 12, 2018 • 5:05:32pm

re: #319 Skip Intro

From the Chicago Trib on the massive hypocrisy of the evangelicals.

And every last one of those pulpit pimps gladly line up to kiss Trump’s ass!

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dirkdigglerjr  Mar 12, 2018 • 5:06:15pm

GOP and Nunes trying (unsuccessfully) to change subject ahead of embarrassing loss in Pennsylvania.

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Skip Intro  Mar 12, 2018 • 5:07:23pm

A Trump/Cohen clusterfuck of epic proportions.

Texas investigating notary over failure to sign Stormy Daniels nondisclosure agreement: report

Officials in Texas are investigating the nondisclosure agreement signed by adult-film actress Stormy Daniels after it was revealed that the notary did not sign or date the document, the Dallas Morning News reported Monday.

Texas notaries are required to sign and date agreements, as well as provide a certificate verifying those who sign documents.

However, notary Erica Jackson is now facing an investigation after she failed to do all three for the 2016 nondisclosure agreement regarding Daniels’s alleged affair with President Trump. Jackson’s stamp is on the document.

“Attaching your seal to a document without a notarial certificate constitutes good cause for the secretary of state to take action against your notary commission,” a Texas official said in a letter to Jackson, sent last week.

thehill.com

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Renaissance_Man  Mar 12, 2018 • 5:09:41pm

re: #323 Skip Intro

A Trump/Cohen clusterfuck of epic proportions.

Texas investigating notary over failure to sign Stormy Daniels nondisclosure agreement: report

thehill.com

Everything Trump Touches Dies.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2018 • 5:13:00pm

re: #286 KGxvi

Not entirely sure what to make of this:

On the one hand, I’m always glad to see major mergers/acquisitions get stopped, especially hostile take overs. On the other, national security seems to be a strange argument on its face. Especially considering that Broadcom has headquarters in California along with Singapore and it’s history can be traced back to being a division of HP. It’s not like this company is a national company of Singapore, it’s actually a publicly traded company on the Nasdaq.

Obviously, someone in Trumpland has a financial interest that will be impacted.
Or, there will be some very significant stock shenanigans taking place overnight.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 12, 2018 • 5:15:53pm

What kind of bullshit job listing is this and who would apply for it?

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nowherenorth2  Mar 12, 2018 • 5:18:04pm

re: #326 The Vicious Babushka

Sounds like My job. Requires a minimum bachelors. I have a mst..

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 12, 2018 • 5:19:14pm
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Scottish Dragon  Mar 12, 2018 • 5:20:55pm

re: #327 nowherenorth2

Sounds like My job. Requires a minimum bachelors. I have a mst..

Mt spouse has a STEM degree and two years after graduation she has NOTHING to show for it other than her same walgreens clerk position.

They don’t tell you most STEM positions want a masters or at the very least, several types of difficult to obtain and expensive certifications.

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nowherenorth2  Mar 12, 2018 • 5:25:00pm

re: #329 Scottish Dragon

Jesus
I had a substitute position for my job but full time as a teacher requires so much politicking and knowing people. Hell I worked at my alma mater and could not get a job at all. Worked at McDonald’s for years and retail. One of my dads coworkers from the factory gave me shit for working at McDonald’s with duo bachelors. I gave him some shit at the counter.

Working human services full time requires a minimum bachelors. The salary has barely any give, and pays mileage but use personal vehicles for the largest county in N.Y.

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Varek Raith  Mar 12, 2018 • 5:25:32pm

Good night.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 12, 2018 • 5:25:59pm

OT (since most of what I post is off topic, I guess this should hereafter read as “on-topic”, but…) I was noodling on the guitar and wife came into the room announcing that she wanted to go to bed so I was so stop playing half songs and do something complete for once so she could go to sleep while I strummed. I am proud to say that I played and sang Neil Young’s “Thrasher” from start to finish (sans harmonica) almost perfectly. My wife left the room about half way through the song.

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petesh  Mar 12, 2018 • 5:30:53pm
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Barefoot Grin  Mar 12, 2018 • 5:32:23pm

Conaway: Russians interfering same as Mexican stars brought in to perform for Clinton campaign.

dallasnews.com

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Decatur Deb  Mar 12, 2018 • 5:34:36pm

From before the music died:

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petesh  Mar 12, 2018 • 5:37:01pm

re: #335 Barefoot Grin

I love the smell of flop sweat on the brows of my enemies.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 12, 2018 • 5:41:05pm

There are over 500 announced school and business closings for tomorrow in our state. But not my kid’s school district. Nope. They like to send the automated call at 4:30AM. Never fails.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 12, 2018 • 5:48:30pm
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goddamnedfrank  Mar 12, 2018 • 5:49:06pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2018 • 5:50:07pm

JFC…he’s really upset/scared

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 12, 2018 • 5:50:57pm

re: #336 Decatur Deb

From before the music died:

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Memories of college at Pitt in the mid 70s and I saw Frank Zappa, Bowie, Genesis, Elton John and BTO at the Syria Mosque.

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JordanRules  Mar 12, 2018 • 5:51:03pm

re: #341 Backwoods_Sleuth

Loud and wrong.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 12, 2018 • 5:52:11pm

re: #342 Joe Bacon 🌹

Memories of college at Pitt in the mid 70s and I saw Frank Zappa, Bowie, Genesis, Elton John and BTO at the Syria Mosque.

Buddy Holly 4th billed. Not a bad show for a buck seventy-five.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2018 • 5:52:44pm
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gocart mozart  Mar 12, 2018 • 5:54:31pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 12, 2018 • 5:54:42pm

Back in the 70s, the most I paid for a concert ticket was $10 after the student discount. Was worth it to see these greats!

The most I paid is $12.50 to see James Brown at the Pittsburgh Civic Arena and it was so cool to see the Arena dome open up as he started singing It’s A Man’s World…

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 12, 2018 • 5:54:59pm

re: #341 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC…he’s really upset/scared

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3/20/17 and 3/21/17. That’s the Nunes break when he went to the White House to get info to “present to the White House” about Susan Rice, etc.

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Citizen K  Mar 12, 2018 • 5:55:52pm

Over/under on how long it takes for the usual media malpractice to set in and the talking heads take this at complete face value? Because you know it’s probably going to happen.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 12, 2018 • 5:56:48pm

re: #341 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC…he’s really upset/scared

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CAPSLOCK!!!!!!

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Stanley Sea  Mar 12, 2018 • 5:56:50pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2018 • 5:59:38pm
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Stanley Sea  Mar 12, 2018 • 5:59:40pm

Best gif

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Decatur Deb  Mar 12, 2018 • 5:59:51pm

re: #347 Joe Bacon 🌹

Back in the 70s, the most I paid for a concert ticket was $10 after the student discount. Was worth it to see these greats!

The most I paid is $12.50 to see James Brown at the Pittsburgh Civic Arena and it was so cool to see the Arena dome open up as he started singing It’s A Man’s World…

Odd to come across The Hollies while I’m sitting here teaching myself how to pour a Tall Blonde In a Black Dress. I’m handicapped by having to drink all my mistakes.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 12, 2018 • 6:04:22pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2018 • 6:06:55pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2018 • 6:07:41pm
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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Mar 12, 2018 • 6:08:13pm

With this latest depature from reality in our GOP I think the evidence is now quite clear we are in the midst of a coup d’etat against democracy itself. Republicans are now clearly siding with Russia in an effort to deligitimize the opposition party in America and are doing everything they can to institute less democracy, and create more Republic. Their design is to create a republic finally free from one man one vote and instead institute a formal one dollar one vote in its place.

Russia is merely happy to be creating as much chaos as possible throught democratic countries in general and are thrilled with the unbelievable success their operations have enjoyed the last few years. The 2018 elections may be the last we see of one man one vote. As they control a lock across the country in statewide offices look for open calls for a Constitutinal Convention from now mainstream Republicans in an effort to subvert every notion of federal power since 1800.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 12, 2018 • 6:12:17pm
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Barefoot Grin  Mar 12, 2018 • 6:14:17pm

re: #359 Charles Johnson

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So that was the whole point. Now, going forward, Trump can say to the findings of the rest of the investigations: “House found me innocent!”

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 12, 2018 • 6:16:57pm

re: #360 Barefoot Grin

And fire Mueller.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 12, 2018 • 6:19:08pm

re: #360 Barefoot Grin

So that was the whole point. Now, going forward, Trump can say to the findings of the rest of the investigations: “House found me innocent!”

Well the DA was pumping my left hand
And then she was a-holding my right
Well I told her don’t get scared
‘Cos you’re gonna be spared
Well I’ve gotta be forgiven If I wanna spend my living
With a long cool woman in a black dress
Just a 5’9 beautiful tall

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 12, 2018 • 6:21:10pm

OK where is Operation Rescue and Mike Pence and all the other anti-choicers?

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Belafon  Mar 12, 2018 • 6:23:19pm

re: #359 Charles Johnson

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2018 • 6:23:24pm
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goddamnedfrank  Mar 12, 2018 • 6:28:32pm

re: #361 Ace Rothstein

And fire Mueller.

I think so too, otherwise disbanding the House Intel Committee investigation carries too much downside risk with no upside. With the House investigation still going Nunes can run interference, subpoena witnesses, selectively leak testimony and issue more bullshit memos. Shutting it down seems clearly to be a predicate maneuver intended to create the rationale for firing Rosenstein & Muelller that Nunes’ memo failed to provide.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2018 • 6:30:09pm
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Citizen K  Mar 12, 2018 • 6:32:43pm

re: #366 goddamnedfrank

I think so too, otherwise disbanding the House Intel Committee investigation carries too much downside risk with no upside. With the House investigation still going Nunes can run interference, subpoena witnesses, selectively leak testimony and issue more bullshit memos. Shutting it down seems clearly to be a predicate maneuver intended to create the rationale for firing Rosenstein & Muelller that Nunes’ memo failed to provide.

If they manage to get away with firing Mueller, it’s pretty much over at that point, isn’t it? I can’t see any way to actually leverage any pushback short of utter domination in both of the upcoming Congressional elections, this midterm and ‘20. And we’ve seen how swiftly nearly every single other agency has been defanged completely.

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Belafon  Mar 12, 2018 • 6:33:14pm

re: #329 Scottish Dragon

Mt spouse has a STEM degree and two years after graduation she has NOTHING to show for it other than her same walgreens clerk position.

They don’t tell you most STEM positions want a masters or at the very least, several types of difficult to obtain and expensive certifications.

I know this is probably more trouble than you two would want to go through, but I would really recommend looking at a defense contractor if you are able (even if every day I have to prevent gagging myself because I’m following rules the President has decided he doesn’t need to). By law, they are required to make sure they are not discriminating by gender, age, race, or sexual orientation, and mine, L3, does a good job (the president of one division is African American, my division leader is a woman, and her boss is a woman, etc.). I know in my area - edge of DFW - we are still looking for programmers.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2018 • 6:35:22pm
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Decatur Deb  Mar 12, 2018 • 6:35:58pm

re: #368 Citizen K

If they manage to get away with firing Mueller, it’s pretty much over at that point, isn’t it? I can’t see any way to actually leverage any pushback short of utter domination in both of the upcoming Congressional elections, this midterm and ‘20. And we’ve seen how swiftly nearly every single other agency has been defanged completely.

Pretty much. We get two more shots, if we don’t sit on our thumbs this Summer.

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Belafon  Mar 12, 2018 • 6:40:02pm

re: #368 Citizen K

If they manage to get away with firing Mueller, it’s pretty much over at that point, isn’t it? I can’t see any way to actually leverage any pushback short of utter domination in both of the upcoming Congressional elections, this midterm and ‘20. And we’ve seen how swiftly nearly every single other agency has been defanged completely.

What happened in 2016 was a failure of too many people to see that our only real leverage is elections. The necessity to vote, and to vote for those who will get you closer to your goals.

What’s got the Republicans flopping is that people are realizing it. It’s one of the reasons House Republicans are trying to shut the investigation down.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 12, 2018 • 6:40:45pm

re: #367 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So this is how the universe ends. Not with a bang, but with an all-caps-lock derp tweet.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2018 • 6:42:41pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2018 • 6:45:31pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2018 • 6:46:46pm
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Belafon  Mar 12, 2018 • 6:47:09pm

re: #259 ipsos

Important thoughts about the mess that is @nytopinion, well worth reading…

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I forwarded this to Ana Navarro. She, and others who still think they can save the Republican party, need to think about this.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 12, 2018 • 6:47:40pm

re: #374 Backwoods_Sleuth

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petesh  Mar 12, 2018 • 6:47:44pm

re: #368 Citizen K

If they manage to get away with firing Mueller, it’s pretty much over at that point, isn’t it? I can’t see any way to actually leverage any pushback short of utter domination in both of the upcoming Congressional elections, this midterm and ‘20. And we’ve seen how swiftly nearly every single other agency has been defanged completely.

Not necessarily. At a minimum, there may be state-level violations that NY is already aware of, but holding back at Mueller’s request. Also, if you were a career FBI guy who has just spent a year and lots of money with lots of associates on a case, do you think you’d just throw in the towel? I dont know what the counter-play is, but I would be quite surprised if there wasn’t one.

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BigPapa  Mar 12, 2018 • 6:51:12pm

Oh for the love of jiminy crickets, is this true?

Page won’t load. Sheriff Clarke having an affair with a Muslim woman?

Please be true.

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Interesting Times  Mar 12, 2018 • 6:54:21pm
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Belafon  Mar 12, 2018 • 6:55:30pm

re: #375 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The thing is, Russia has been planning this for long time. Something like that, especially something that needed to be kept quiet for so long, turns out to be a very complex system, with tendrils in lots of things. And we know that Moscow as bribed and assassinated in order to get where it is now. So, no, it’s not out of the realm of possibility that this is approaching a spy story because it was developed like one.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 12, 2018 • 6:55:55pm

oooh

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BigPapa  Mar 12, 2018 • 6:57:38pm

re: #380 BigPapa

usa.spectator.co.uk

Page took a while to load. Not sure if true or not yet.

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Belafon  Mar 12, 2018 • 6:59:02pm

re: #383 Stanley Sea

oooh

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Sounds like something that needs to be controlled under either federal anti-drug laws or declared a weapon of mass destruction.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 12, 2018 • 6:59:18pm

re: #384 BigPapa

usa.spectator.co.uk

Page took a while to load. Not sure if true or not yet.

It loaded into Spy. I think we have reservations about the “Reagan” source.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 12, 2018 • 7:01:28pm

re: #383 Stanley Sea

oooh

[Embedded content]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

One time my sister made teriyaki infused thick cut bacon and when she fried it, damn…just the smell…heaven…

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whitebeach  Mar 12, 2018 • 7:02:19pm

re: #19 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I remember a fluff report a couple of years ago on the super-expensive neighborhood of Belgravia. It had been virtually taken over by foreigners. The reporter talked to a Colombian woman who was out walking her dogs. She said it was nice, but hinted there might be problems. When pressed, she said she couldn’t say more because she was “afraid of the Russians around the corner.” My reaction was that if you live in the most expensive neighborhood in the world and you are afraid of the neighbors, IT IS TIME TO MOVE.

I had to laugh at this. My guess is that the Colombians in this posh neighborhood didn’t get there by being thrifty campesinos and that if you asked the Russians around the corner about the problems, they’d probably say something like, “What bothers me is these drogista Colombians around the corner, they’ll kill you and your whole family if you complain about their dogs shitting on your lawn.”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 12, 2018 • 7:03:18pm

re: #383 Stanley Sea

oooh

[Embedded content]

And the second course…

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 12, 2018 • 7:07:17pm

re: #387 Joe Bacon 🌹

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

One time my sister made teriyaki infused thick cut bacon and when she fried it, damn…just the smell…heaven…

Mrs. Fish has perfected the art of bourbon brown sugar bacon. Yummeh.

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majii  Mar 12, 2018 • 7:14:25pm

re: #119 HappyWarrior

“She’s so stupid.”

Betsy DeVos has an agenda, and that agenda is to declare public schools as all being failures and to create charter schools funded by public tax money but that are run by private corporations. She isn’t the least bit interested in public schools, but she is interested in the billions in public funding she can funnel to her buddies in the corporate world.

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A Mom Anon  Mar 12, 2018 • 7:42:28pm

re: #390 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I do this too. It’s my most favorite thing ever


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