Mass Murder in New York
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Some reports say that more than a dozen people have been killed in Binghamton, New York, in a hostage standoff at an immigration services center.
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MrSilverDragon Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:21:56am |
I've said it before, and I'll say it again... Stop the world, I want to get off.
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lawhawk Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:21:59am |
13 dead, 26 injured. Still developing situation.
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midwestgak Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:23:16am |
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LilyGecko Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:23:37am |
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DistantThunder Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:24:19am |
After the Virginia Tech shooting the swat teams are supposed to confront the shooter instead of waiting around. The 2 police officers who arrived in Salt Lake went right into the mall, and found the shooter being held at bay by the off duty police officer.
I just read police are calling the community college for a Vietnamese translator.
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LGoPs Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:24:47am |
I'm afraid the Age of Reason is being replaced by the Age of Emotion. And that's scary.....
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lawhawk Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:25:09am |
re: #4 Haole
How many gunmen?
Most of the reports seem to indicate a lone gunman, but two people were taken out with their hands behind their backs in restraints. Not sure what to make of that.
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albusteve Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:25:25am |
pretty hopeless situation for the victims and hostages....civil order just vanishes for some people...we need more legally armed citizens I guess...
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albusteve Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:26:03am |
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brookly red Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:26:07am |
re: #5 LGoPs
I pray for the innocent dead.
yes indeed...
& I also pray their deaths will not be politicized, but well you know.
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lawhawk Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:26:12am |
re: #8 DistantThunder
I think the gunman barricaded himself in the building with hostages. He apparently drove his car to the back to block that exit, and went in through the front door shooting the place up with one of two weapons (a handgun and a rifle).
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LGoPs Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:26:28am |
I know few details but am struck by the sad irony of this atrocity occurring at an Immigrant Center. People who are making a new life in America being cut down by such a horrible act.
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Joan Not of Arc Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:27:47am |
Why on earth would anyone target an immigration centre (if I have my facts right)?
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brookly red Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:28:20am |
re: #17 LGoPs
I know few details but am struck by the sad irony of this atrocity occurring at an Immigrant Center. People who are making a new life in America being cut down by such a horrible act.
I think the 24 hr. rule applys here...
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NY Nana Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:28:22am |
re: #3 lawhawk
It is on live, on Fox. My daughter called, in shock. She graduated from Binghamton, and never even imagined that this could happen there. It is in a buiding down town. It is an immigration center where people study for getting their citizenship....
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LilyGecko Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:28:26am |
re: #18 Joan Not of Arc
Why on earth would anyone target an immigration centre (if I have my facts right)?
Why on earth would anyone want to kill people?
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WalterMitty Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:28:53am |
re: #18 Joan Not of Arc
Why on earth would anyone target an immigration centre (if I have my facts right)?
Do not torture yourself by attempting to apply logic to insanity.
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albusteve Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:29:03am |
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KenJen Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:29:19am |
I said earlier on the overnite open that nothing could sour this day-my first LGF birthday. I was wrong.
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LGoPs Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:29:28am |
re: #21 LilyGecko
Why on earth would anyone want to kill people?
Because they are bad. Not trying to be sarcastic......just factual.
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Opinionated Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:29:39am |
Media and Press editors are scratching their heads attempting to come up with an excuse to blame Bush and Republicans for this.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:29:40am |
re: #12 LilyGecko
Do we know anything about the shooter?
Asian male. Some reports are saying that two asian males were taken out in plastic cuffs.
Now reporting that those two may have been released.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
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MrSilverDragon Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:29:42am |
re: #18 Joan Not of Arc
Why on earth would anyone target an immigration centre (if I have my facts right)?
Insanity is the top of my list.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:29:48am |
No matter how this turns out, this be used as yet another excuse for politicians to demand stricter gun laws that assault and abridge the Constitution, and probably will be as enforced as much of the previous knee-jerk legislation has been; in simpler language, Captain, not enforced.
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DistantThunder Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:29:59am |
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rawmuse Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:30:27am |
I wonder if anyone had the opportunity to return fire.
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DistantThunder Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:30:50am |
re: #26 Opinionated
Media and Press editors are scratching their heads attempting to come up with an excuse to blame Bush and Republicans for this.
Duh. Too many people are too frustrated about how hard it is to become legal in this country. Amnesty for everyone.
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brookly red Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:31:01am |
re: #23 albusteve
with regard to what?
In regards to the details, everything we hear for the first 24 hrs will most likley be wrong.
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vapig Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:31:09am |
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Spider Mensch Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:31:23am |
there is a report the gunman has killed himself....on fox website..
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DistantThunder Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:31:26am |
re: #31 rawmuse
I wonder if anyone had the opportunity to return fire.
New York. No one is armed. This could not happen to the same degree in a conceal carry state, I would think.
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unrealizedviewpoint Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:31:38am |
re: #22 WalterMitty
Do not torture yourself by attempting to apply logic to insanity.
That's what causes insanity in psychiatrists. They're trying to figure it out. There ain't no figuring. Insanity is contagious.
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Creeping Eruption Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:31:43am |
re: #24 KenJen
I said earlier on the overnite open that nothing could sour this day-my first LGF birthday. I was wrong.
Happy Birthday :(
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:32:14am |
re: #31 rawmuse
I wonder if anyone had the opportunity to return fire.
This is NY State, highly doubtful.
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LGoPs Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:32:19am |
re: #31 rawmuse
I wonder if anyone had the opportunity to return fire.
Strictly conjecture but I would think that most of the people in the building, seeking American citizenship, would most likely be unarmed. Not a good idea to violate the law of the land you're trying to join.
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DistantThunder Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:32:27am |
re: #29 FurryOldGuyJeans
No matter how this turns out, this be used as yet another excuse for politicians to demand stricter gun laws that assault and abridge the Constitution, and probably will be as enforced as much of the previous knee-jerk legislation has been; in simpler language, Captain, not enforced.
You're right, but it should be proof that with such strict gun laws, new York still had this crime. They will want to ban whatever he was shooting.
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yma o hyd Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:32:39am |
re: #24 KenJen
I said earlier on the overnite open that nothing could sour this day-my first LGF birthday. I was wrong.
Sorry that your LGF anniversary got messed up so badly!
And while I can't say anything about this shooting - my prayers are with the families of the dead and injured, and the hostages.
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LilyGecko Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:32:45am |
re: #35 Spider Mensch
there is a report the gunman has killed himself....on fox website..
"Reportedly."
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albusteve Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:33:01am |
re: #33 brookly red
In regards to the details, everything we hear for the first 24 hrs will most likley be wrong.
there were no details in the post itself...that's why I asked
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:33:04am |
re: #38 pegcity
will CNN blame the recession?
Do bears wear Papal robes in the woods?
Oh, wait...mixed metaphors there. ;)
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lawhawk Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:33:24am |
re: #36 DistantThunder
New York. No one is armed. This could not happen to the same degree in a conceal carry state, I would think.
This is upstate New York; Southern Tier, where there are quite a few hunters and outdoorsmen. More than a few people think all of the state is like NYC with the gun control proponents holding sway. That's not the case upstate.
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rawmuse Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:33:59am |
re: #43 LGoPs
Yes, but people work there, and even in the most strict states it is legal to have a gun in your place of business. Now, if that is a State run facility, the answer is no. If it is private, yes.
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midwestgak Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:34:09am |
re: #21 LilyGecko
Why on earth would anyone want to kill people?
To satisfy whatever disturbed emotions they harbor.
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paradox42 Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:34:26am |
re: #12 LilyGecko
Do we know anything about the shooter?
He's an evil motherf****r. A cowardly cockroach. An oxygen waster. A psychopathic parasite whose only purpose is to inflict suffering on the innocent.
I hope NY hasn't abolished the death penalty yet. And when he gets the needle, I hope they "forget" the anesthetic.
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WalterMitty Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:34:26am |
re: #42 FurryOldGuyJeans
This is NY State, highly doubtful.
"opportunity" and "means" may have been mutually exclusive in this case.
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DistantThunder Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:34:42am |
I think it's time for some retail therapy. I received a nice juicy Gift certificate to the new Nordstom in Cherry Hill, NJ from my rascally children for my birthday. (there are some advantages to having a large brood).
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brookly red Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:35:11am |
re: #49 lawhawk
This is upstate New York; Southern Tier, where there are quite a few hunters and outdoorsmen. More than a few people think all of the state is like NYC with the gun control proponents holding sway. That's not the case upstate.
True. Most immigrants don't qualify to carry though.
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Caboose Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:35:24am |
Reports are that the gunman is "Asian", hmmmm....
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LilyGecko Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:35:50am |
re: #51 midwestgak
To satisfy whatever disturbed emotions they harbor.
I think I read somewhere that it's like an "itch" for some.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:36:00am |
re: #54 DistantThunder
I think it's time for some retail therapy. I received a nice juicy Gift certificate to the new Nordstom in Cherry Hill, NJ from my rascally children for my birthday. (there are some advantages to having a large brood).
Yeah, but the initial outlay of capital will never be totally recouped. ;)
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brookly red Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:36:10am |
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subsailor68 Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:36:24am |
re: #35 Spider Mensch
there is a report the gunman has killed himself....on fox website..
This is troublesome to me. When the media jumps on first reports, or things they've overheard, it poses a real risk to everyone involved. I'd hate to read about a police officer being killed or wounded because he (or she) was misinformed as a result of media speculation.
The media should just keep its collective mouths shut until there is a confirmation.
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MJ Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:36:38am |
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rawmuse Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:36:50am |
Just once I want to hear about a crazed mass killer getting drilled before he has a chance to rack up kills in the double digits.
Sorry, I have not been the same ever since the 101 California St. Massacre. Those people should have been armed, and some body should have been able to shoot back.
The idea that humans can not be poached like rabbits has to enter the mind of killers at some point, IMHO.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:36:50am |
re: #56 Caboose
Reports are that the gunman is "Asian", hmmmm....
Heard Vietnamese earlier, so if true Asian would really apply.
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LGoPs Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:36:51am |
re: #52 paradox42
He's an evil motherf****r. A cowardly cockroach. An oxygen waster. A psychopathic parasite whose only purpose is to inflict suffering on the innocent.
I hope NY hasn't abolished the death penalty yet. And when he gets the needle, I hope they "forget" the anesthetic.
I've always found it odd that before injecting the lethal dose, they will swab the area with alcohol......to prevent infection, I guess?
Seems kind of pointless to say the least.
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BatGuano Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:36:58am |
I've been watching FOX for over an hour now.Trace, Martha and Geraldo have talking over each other to offer their own uninformed speculation while warning against speculation.
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NY Nana Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:37:48am |
re: #49 lawhawk
They are looking for a Vietnamese speaker...news conference 4:30 PM our time. 'Report; lone gunman killed himself'.....not yet confirmed.
'All vehicles released from the scene, except for 2 fire engines'....on Foxnews.
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JammieWearingFool Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:37:52am |
re: #36 DistantThunder
New York. No one is armed. This could not happen to the same degree in a conceal carry state, I would think.
Binghamton is in the state of New York, but its about four hours from NYC. Take a look at a map. You're right on the PA border there. Most everyone up that way is armed.
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Caboose Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:38:14am |
re: #59 brookly red
stop that.
Why?, it's on the front page of Foxnews.com. They said it, not me... Don't blame the messenger.
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albusteve Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:38:18am |
re: #63 rawmuse
Just once I want to hear about a crazed mass killer getting drilled before he has a chance to rack up kills in the double digits.
Sorry, I have not been the same ever since the 101 California St. Massacre. Those people should have been armed, and some body should have been able to shoot back.
The idea that humans can not be poached like rabbits has to enter the mind of killers at some point, IMHO.
Salt Lake City...5 down when an off duty cop pinned the guy in a hallway...the killed him
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Dustyvet Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:38:29am |
re: #35 Spider Mensch
there is a report the gunman has killed himself....on fox website..
or suicide by cop, maybe?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:38:40am |
re: #44 DistantThunder
You're right, but it should be proof that with such strict gun laws, new York still had this crime. They will want to ban whatever he was shooting.
When a gun ban is proposed after a shooting, especially one that is really heinous in the eyes of the general public, specificity as to type of firearm gets ignored.
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gmsc Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:38:44am |
re: #49 lawhawk
This is upstate New York; Southern Tier, where there are quite a few hunters and outdoorsmen. More than a few people think all of the state is like NYC with the gun control proponents holding sway. That's not the case upstate.
"Upstate" New York? I've always thought of "upstate" as, say, Albany or Buffalo. Binghamton is just north of the Pennsylvania/NY border, on the road from Scranton!
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unrealizedviewpoint Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:38:45am |
re: #61 MJ
No, they'll blame Bush and/or Israel.
Actually, they will blame who they always blame - the guns.
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pegcity Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:39:00am |
i have to say as a canadian the whole Murder rampage thing is quite alien to me, even if u consider the population of canada being 10x less than the us, their are probably 1000 times less murder rampages.
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KenJen Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:39:42am |
re: #31 rawmuse
I wonder if anyone had the opportunity to return fire.
It seems like these crazys choose places where they think no one will have a gun. Schools, nursing homes. They never decide to go on a killing spree at a police station.
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unrealizedviewpoint Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:40:09am |
re: #71 JammieWearingFool
Has anyone blamed the gun yet?
Every liberal in America is doing so right now.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:41:05am |
re: #78 KenJen
It seems like these crazys choose places where they think no one will have a gun. Schools, nursing homes. They never decide to go on a killing spree at a police station.
Which just goes to show that it doesn't matter if the shooter is insane or not, they had presence of mind enough to plan.
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yma o hyd Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:41:08am |
re: #60 subsailor68
This is troublesome to me. When the media jumps on first reports, or things they've overheard, it poses a real risk to everyone involved. I'd hate to read about a police officer being killed or wounded because he (or she) was misinformed as a result of media speculation.
The media should just keep its collective mouths shut until there is a confirmation.
Hah!
Fat chance - they are like ghouls.
Think of Mumbai - it was similar, until the police cracked down.
And with twitter available, I foresee the next one will ahve someone twitter about this and it'll make the front pages.
Sick, disgusting ebhaviour, just for the fifteen minutes of 'fame'!
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paradox42 Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:41:09am |
re: #79 unrealizedviewpoint
Every liberal in America is doing so right now.
I don't blame the gun. I blame the diseased animal using it.
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Dustyvet Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:41:27am |
re: #78 KenJen
It seems like these crazys choose places where they think no one will have a gun. Schools, nursing homes. They never decide to go on a killing spree at a police station.
Officer slain in Virginia police station shooting
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
it does happen...
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ConservatismNow! Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:41:36am |
re: #76 unrealizedviewpoint
Actually, they will blame who they always blame - the guns.
After Great Britain banned guns, knife-related crimes went up by like 1000%. Now they are looking at banning knives over a certain length.
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LGoPs Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:41:39am |
re: #78 KenJen
It seems like these crazys choose places where they think no one will have a gun. Schools, nursing homes. They never decide to go on a killing spree at a police station.
Same thinking as terrorists. Go after undefended, innocent places. You never see terrorists going after miltary bases where the targets have a chance of defending themselves.
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WalterMitty Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:42:38am |
re: #63 rawmuse
Just once I want to hear about a crazed mass killer getting drilled before he has a chance to rack up kills in the double digits.
Sorry, I have not been the same ever since the 101 California St. Massacre. Those people should have been armed, and some body should have been able to shoot back.
The idea that humans can not be poached like rabbits has to enter the mind of killers at some point, IMHO.
Join the NRA, get their magazine, read the "Armed Citizen" column every month.
e.g.: Armed Citizen
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FightingBack Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:42:38am |
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MJ Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:42:47am |
re: #71 JammieWearingFool
Has anyone blamed the gun yet?
Yes:
"Many American states have few strictures on gun ownership. Gun control largely fizzled as a national political issue, as Democrats, who have in the past promoted stricter gun laws, have bowed to the well organised pro-gun opposition. The Obama administration supports the renewal of an expired federal ban on assault weapons."
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
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zombie Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:42:47am |
Do we yet know the motivation of the killer?
Is he an immigrant angry about some mistreatment?
Is he a citizen angry about illegal immigration?
Is he an ex-employee with a personal grudge?
Is he a random psychopath?
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ConservatismNow! Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:43:28am |
re: #85 LGoPs
Same thinking as terrorists. Go after undefended, innocent places. You never see terrorists going after miltary bases where the targets have a chance of defending themselves.
Actually...yeah they do. Remember Beirut? Khobar Towers? USS Cole bombing? Ft. Dix?
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Archimedes Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:43:52am |
re: #67 BatGuano
I've been watching FOX for over an hour now.Trace, Martha and Geraldo have talking over each other to offer their own uninformed speculation while warning against speculation.
This is why I don't listen to network coverage of events like these any more. Way too much hype and wild speculation, while, as you say, they warn against speculation.
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joncelli Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:43:56am |
re: #37 ExPatriot
Probably not. This has Disgruntled Ex-Employee or Somebody Who Was Mistreated written all over it.
/Not trying to be funny -- those are the usual reasons.
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LilyGecko Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:44:06am |
re: #89 zombie
Do we yet know the motivation of the killer?
Is he an immigrant angry about some mistreatment?
Is he a citizen angry about illegal immigration?
Is he an ex-employee with a personal grudge?
Is he a random psychopath?
I'm guessing he just felt like killing.
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american sabra Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:44:11am |
Confirming 13 dead from the local news in Binghamton
[Link: www.pressconnects.com...]
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:44:27am |
re: #85 LGoPs
Same thinking as terrorists. Go after undefended, innocent places. You never see terrorists going after miltary bases where the targets have a chance of defending themselves.
Almost never. Wasn't a pizza delivery guy put on trial not so long ago for doing intel on a military base?
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rawmuse Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:44:28am |
re: #78 KenJen
It seems like these crazys choose places where they think no one will have a gun. Schools, nursing homes. They never decide to go on a killing spree at a police station.
Ingleside Station in San Francisco was attacked and one desk duty officer was slain.
The perps are still being sought.
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Alaska Kim Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:44:39am |
re: #18 Joan Not of Arc
Why on earth would anyone target an immigration centre (if I have my facts right)?
why would anyone target a nursing home?
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tradewind Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:44:42am |
Mass murder , whether in NY or Darfur, is considered no more reprehensible than the prospect of the NYTimes' demise by its editor, Bill Keller. I always knew he was a loony lefty, I didn't realize he had completely lost his mind.
The bombastic broadsheet editor went on to equate the keep-the-Times-alive movement to the cause of starving African refugees, saying, "Saving the New York Times now ranks with saving Darfur as a high-minded cause."
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rawmuse Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:45:05am |
re: #86 WalterMitty
Join the NRA, get their magazine, read the "Armed Citizen" column every month.
e.g.: Armed Citizen
Dude, lifetime member here.
But thanks, brother, and Molon Labe.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:45:24am |
re: #91 Archimedes
This is why I don't listen to network coverage of events like these any more. Way too much hype and wild speculation, while, as you say, they warn against speculation.
If I watch the event live I always mute the volume so I don't have to listen to the bleating talking heads.
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Archimedes Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:45:25am |
re: #84 ConservatismNow!
After Great Britain banned guns, knife-related crimes went up by like 1000%. Now they are looking at banning knives over a certain length.
Kitchen knives?
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Darwin Akbar Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:45:31am |
If it turns out that immigrants are the victims, how soon before the MSM blames Rush, Hannity, Michelle Malkin et al. for creating an "anti-immigrant climate of hate," even if the shooter was not an Angry White Male?
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MJ Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:45:32am |
re: #98 tradewind
Mass murder , whether in NY or Darfur, is considered no more reprehensible than the prospect of the NYTimes' demise by its editor, Bill Keller. I always knew he was a loony lefty, I didn't realize he had completely lost his mind.
Got a link for that?
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KenJen Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:45:37am |
re: #92 joncelli
Probably not. This has Disgruntled Ex-Employee or Somebody Who Was Mistreated written all over it.
/Not trying to be funny -- those are the usual reasons.
or jited ex-boyfriend of an employee at the office.
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albusteve Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:45:40am |
re: #89 zombie
Do we yet know the motivation of the killer?
Is he an immigrant angry about some mistreatment?
Is he a citizen angry about illegal immigration?
Is he an ex-employee with a personal grudge?
Is he a random psychopath?
it seems he ain't talking at the moment
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yma o hyd Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:45:47am |
re: #84 ConservatismNow!
After Great Britain banned guns, knife-related crimes went up by like 1000%. Now they are looking at banning knives over a certain length.
Yep - and we did and do have shootings, because the criminals never gave up their guns.
Something our dear lawmakers overlooked ...
And to illustrate this stupidity in its full glory - our Olympic shooting teams have to live and train in other countries, like Switzerland, because they are not allowed to keep their sports guns.
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ConservatismNow! Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:45:51am |
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LGoPs Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:46:39am |
re: #90 ConservatismNow!
Actually...yeah they do. Remember Beirut? Khobar Towers? USS Cole bombing? Ft. Dix?
You're correct of course. I was referring more to the preponderance of attacks by terrorist types against civilian targets.....markets, hotels, restaurants.......
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tradewind Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:46:43am |
re: #97 Alaska Kim
Perhaps they considered it a symbol of facilitating every problem our nation faces today.
They're absolutely wrong, but then anyone who would go postal like that is, anyway.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:46:47am |
Here is the Twitter Binghamton link:
[Link: search.twitter.com...]
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:47:02am |
Fifteen were cowering inside a closet inside the building, where emergency dispatchers were in contact with some of the victims, WBNG-TV said.
thanks heaps, WBNG, for letting the gunmen know where more victims are hiding! Mumbai redux.
Have they checked the Binghampton Chabad House?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:47:23am |
re: #89 zombie
Do we yet know the motivation of the killer?
Is he an immigrant angry about some mistreatment?
Is he a citizen angry about illegal immigration?
Is he an ex-employee with a personal grudge?
Is he a random psychopath?
Don't care, don't care, don't care, don't care, and don't care. Evil is as evil does is all I need to know, now and in the future.
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JRHelgeson Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:47:35am |
All it would take to stop this is a single armed citizen on the inside. As he is taking hostages and the chaos of the events unfolding, just one citizen with one shot could stop this. Actually, it never would happen in the first place as those with murderous intent such as this never storm into police stations shooting now do they? Of course not. You target the unarmed groups that are unable to provide any resistance.
If I am to be murdered in cold blood , I would at the very least like the opportunity to contest that decision.
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WalterMitty Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:47:54am |
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Roscoe P. Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:47:56am |
re: #92 joncelli
I will never understand why these disgruntled types feel the need to take out others to prove their point. I feel sorry for his victims, people who were actually trying to be U.S. citizens the right way.
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MandyManners Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:48:07am |
Once they ban knives, what's next? Sporks?
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tradewind Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:48:26am |
re: #103 MJ
Yes, but you can also just click on the drudge report... it's a headline.
[Link: www.nypost.com...]
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nyc redneck Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:48:39am |
i always think of the families left behind in these rampages.
to mourn and ache for their lost relatives.
it is hard to make sense of such horror.
such an abrupt and hideous loss of a loved one.
i pray for these people in their pain.
this murder spree should not lead to more gun control.
this killer wouldn't follow any laws.
we need more armed citizens to cut down these evil sob's.
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ConservatismNow! Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:49:05am |
re: #117 MandyManners
Cars kill more people than guns and knives combined.
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Archimedes Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:49:10am |
re: #107 ConservatismNow!
Any knives.
That is insane. People who endorse such things might as well hermetically seal the entire planet, in which case people will die because they can't act to survive! Red tape kills.
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LilyGecko Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:49:16am |
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paradox42 Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:49:34am |
re: #89 zombie
Do we yet know the motivation of the killer?
Is he an immigrant angry about some mistreatment?
Is he a citizen angry about illegal immigration?
Is he an ex-employee with a personal grudge?
Is he a random psychopath?
I would think one or more of the first three and a definite yes on the fourth.
A 'person' who kills strangers for a perceived slight is a psychopath. Psychopaths are like predatory animals and when cornered and wounded, either psychologically or physically, they are extremely dangerous and unpredictable.
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MandyManners Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:49:46am |
re: #121 ConservatismNow!
Cars kill more people than guns and knives combined.
Many in power would take those away if they thought they could get away with it.
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yma o hyd Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:49:49am |
re: #107 ConservatismNow!
Any knives.
Yep.
When I still had my allotment, I freaked out every time I went there, because I was carrying my pruning knife with me.
Police don't go after hard villains, they go after soft targets, like grannies.
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jemima Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:49:52am |
Odd coincidence. I was going to go shopping in Binghamton today but it was raining so I said skip it.
The Chabad House is on the other side of the river, next to SUNY. The Slonims are dears, of course.
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Noam Chumpski Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:49:57am |
Another successful Gun Fee Zone, I'd wager. They need bigger signs or something so people will know.
The Dems are so excited to pass mindless, knee-jerk Bills without debate that we should be seeing new restrictions on our 2A Rights in 3, 2.... 1....
God bless to those who are effected.
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FightingBack Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:49:59am |
Fox News: Potential Civil Liability for Wrongful Death.
(I'm going to shoot my TV.)
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MJ Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:50:13am |
re: #118 tradewind
Yes, but you can also just click on the drudge report... it's a headline.
[Link: www.nypost.com...]
Thanks!
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tradewind Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:50:25am |
re: #114 JRHelgeson
That's what happens in a state that doesn't allow legitimate concealed carry permits.
Down here, a school principal actually stopped a Columbine-style shooting because he was packing. Up north, he'd probably have been arrested.....
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WalterMitty Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:50:26am |
re: #116 Roscoe P.
I will never understand why these disgruntled types feel the need to take out others to prove their point. I feel sorry for his victims, people who were actually trying to be U.S. citizens the right way.
"If a madman were to come into this room with a stick in his hand, no doubt we should pity the state of his mind; but our primary consideration would be to take care of ourselves. We should knock him down first, and pity him afterwards"
Dr. Samuel Johnson
(1707 - 1784)
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Erik The Red Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:50:37am |
re: #121 ConservatismNow!
Cars kill more people than guns and knives combined.
Cars don't kill. People kill people.
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FightingBack Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:50:48am |
re: #126 MandyManners
They're going to tell us what color cars can be.
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yma o hyd Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:50:48am |
re: #111 Pvt Bin Jammin
Here is the Twitter Binghamton link:
[Link: search.twitter.com...]
I just knew they were twittering about this - fools!
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subsailor68 Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:51:03am |
re: #126 MandyManners
Many in power would take those away if they thought they could get away with it.
Amen! It seems as though it's already started - with the takeover of GM and the proposed increase in gas taxes. Those in power may not want to take all cars away, but it sure looks like they want to tell us which ones we can have.
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NY Nana Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:51:16am |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:51:17am |
re: #116 Roscoe P.
I will never understand why these disgruntled types feel the need to take out others to prove their point. I feel sorry for his victims, people who were actually trying to be U.S. citizens the right way.
A lot of these mass murder shootings done by "losers" is so they finally are the one in charge. No, doesn't make sense to me, but that is a lot of the "post-game" analysis propounded by the FMSM talking heads.
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Archimedes Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:51:32am |
re: #100 FurryOldGuyJeans
If I watch the event live I always mute the volume so I don't have to listen to the bleating talking heads.
I cut off my cable service about a month ago, because I simply no longer watch TV. Well, in large part the Internet has become my source for all news and entertainment, so that is probably the bigger reason. Things have just evolved that way.
I do use Netflix for movies, which I enjoy immensely!
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Alaska Kim Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:51:40am |
re: #132 tradewind
That's what happens in a state that doesn't allow legitimate concealed carry permits.
Down
here, a school principal actually stopped a Columbine-style shooting
because he was packing. Up north, he'd probably have been arrested.....
that asian fool wouldn't have lasted 2 seconds doing that here...
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yma o hyd Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:52:05am |
re: #112 Alouette
thanks heaps, WBNG, for letting the gunmen know where more victims are hiding! Mumbai redux.
Have they checked the Binghampton Chabad House?
Exactly - but can you imagine the howls of anguish, were the police to demand a news blackout while the attack was going on?
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Noam Chumpski Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:52:08am |
re: #77 pegcity
i have to say as a canadian the whole Murder rampage thing is quite alien to me, even if u consider the population of canada being 10x less than the us, their are probably 1000 times less murder rampages.
Well, in Canada, a person would have to drive 100 miles to kill 4 people so I would imagine that the killers get tired.
There was that cannibal on the bus though. You guys got us beat on that.
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brookly red Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:52:19am |
re: #126 MandyManners
Many in power would take those away if they thought they could get away with it.
/wheels for me but not for thee.
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alexknyc Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:52:32am |
re: #84 ConservatismNow!
After Great Britain banned guns, knife-related crimes went up by like 1000%. Now they are looking at banning knives over a certain length.
Then it'll be boards with nails through them.
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jemima Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:52:42am |
Chuckles Schumer has made it almost impossible to get a pistol permit in this state.
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ConservatismNow! Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:52:57am |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:52:57am |
re: #126 MandyManners
Many in power would take those away if they thought they could get away with it.
Increased mileage standards is one damned fine "look over there" grifter attempt.
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JRHelgeson Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:53:19am |
re: #89 zombie
Do we yet know the motivation of the killer?
Is he an immigrant angry about some mistreatment?
Is he a citizen angry about illegal immigration?
Is he an ex-employee with a personal grudge?
Is he a random psychopath?
You don't engage in this type of activity without two factors:
1) Anger towards those he is killing - most likely he feels victimized by those he is shooting. Attaining victim status is the central point of leftist ideology to justify every action of those who commit evil.
2) Narcissism - what I want is superior to your want to live. I am supreme. This inherently precludes any belief in a higher power as people that believe that they will ultimately be held accountable for their actions, in this life or the next, tend not to engage in these types of behavior.
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tradewind Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:53:29am |
re: #131 MJ
You're welcome.
He's a fat liar as well... look at this quote, same story...
Keller said he had little use for Web sites like Google and Drudge Report
As if the newsroom doesn't stay tuned to Drudge 24/7, and google whenever they turn around.
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albusteve Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:53:29am |
re: #144 Noam Chumpski
Well, in Canada, a person would have to drive 100 miles to kill 4 people so I would imagine that the killers get tired.
There was that cannibal on the bus though. You guys got us beat on that.
they let him off...a few years in an institution
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Right mind left Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:53:37am |
Looks like it is over now, with the guy dead...is this old news?
[Link: wcbstv.com...]
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ConservatismNow! Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:53:41am |
re: #146 alexknyc
Then it'll be boards with nails through them.
And garden tools and construction tools and then table legs
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zombie Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:53:52am |
re: #113 FurryOldGuyJeans
Don't care, don't care, don't care, don't care, and don't care. Evil is as evil does is all I need to know, now and in the future.
I'm just curious because you just know the media will spin and spin and spin this, depending on what the supposed "rationale" is for the massacre. If he has anti-illegal immigrant sentiment, then the incident will be used to smear the whole anti-illegal movement; if he is an illegal immigrant, there will be an outcry from the other side of the political spectrum, etc.
Yes, in reality, it doesn't matter, I'm just bracing myself for the aftermath.
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alexknyc Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:54:13am |
re: #90 ConservatismNow!
Actually...yeah they do. Remember Beirut? Khobar Towers? USS Cole bombing? Ft. Dix?
Khobar Towers and the USS Cole were forbidden to have armed guards. I'm not sure about Beirut.
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LGoPs Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:54:16am |
re: #147 jemima
Chuckles Schumer has made it almost impossible to get a pistol permit in this state.
I'd be curious to know what kind of personal security he has at home. Not for any insidious reason but to illustrate the hypocrisy that I'm sure is there.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:54:26am |
re: #136 yma o hyd
I just knew they were twittering about this - fools!
The gunman/gunmen are probably on twitter too.
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MJ Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:55:00am |
re: #151 tradewind
You're welcome.
He's a fat liar as well... look at this quote, same story...
As if the newsroom doesn't stay tuned to Drudge 24/7, and google whenever they turn around.
If there was source I could contribute to help insure the demise of the NYT, I would do it.
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unrealizedviewpoint Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:55:01am |
re: #141 Archimedes
...I do use Netflix for movies, which I enjoy immensely!
I just started w/netflix bout a month ago. Wow! incredible service. 1/3 the price of going to the video store. More convenient and no gasoline burnt. I feel so green.
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Creeping Eruption Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:55:21am |
re: #144 Noam Chumpski
Well, in Canada, a person would have to drive 100 miles to kill 4 people so I would imagine that the killers get tired.
There was that cannibal on the bus though. You guys got us beat on that.
Dahmer.
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jaunte Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:55:23am |
re: #154 ConservatismNow!
And garden tools and construction tools and then table legs
Dangerous table leg:
[Link: www.jamesmcadam.co.uk...]
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Noam Chumpski Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:55:32am |
re: #152 albusteve
they let him off...a few years in an institution
Yep. The knowledge of the Court is paramount to any common wisdom one could muster.
I've been thinking on vigilante justice lately and its pros and cons... joke, joke...
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brookly red Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:55:34am |
re: #158 LGoPs
I'd be curious to know what kind of personal security he has at home. Not for any insidious reason but to illustrate the hypocrisy that I'm sure is there.
2 Cops 24/7
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Unakite Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:55:34am |
re: #117 MandyManners
Once they ban knives, what's next? Sporks?
And then they came for the Sporks, and I said nothing....
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tradewind Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:55:58am |
re: #133 WalterMitty
Who in his right mind does understand paranoid schizophrenia?
It's almost always the diagnosis after the fact, when the shooter is left alive,that is.......
Not that it's worth keeping them around to find out, IMO.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:55:59am |
Mayor Bloomberg: the Rev. Al Sharpton a 'calming influence on the city'
Mayor Bloomberg heaped praise on outspoken activist the Rev. Al Sharpton Thursday, calling him a "calming influence on the city."
Bloomberg, who is running for a third term, showed his reverence for the reverend before speaking at the preacher's annual National Action Network Convention.
"In all fairness, Al Sharpton has been an awful lot more of a calming influence on the city and helper to the city than most people give him credit for," said Bloomberg.
"I don't agree with him everything but on balance I've become, over the years, a Sharpton fan," the mayor added.
/more New York insanity
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Creeping Eruption Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:56:05am |
re: #157 alexknyc
Khobar Towers and the USS Cole were forbidden to have armed guards. I'm not sure about Beirut.
Marines were ordered not to have their weapons loaded if I remember correctly.
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Erik The Red Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:56:09am |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:56:29am |
re: #156 zombie
I know why you asked the questions, and as do you I smell agenda implementation already being pushed. This incident is now only the catalyst for something a whole lot more detrimental.
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jemima Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:56:29am |
re: #158 LGoPs
I'd be curious to know what kind of personal security he has at home. Not for any insidious reason but to illustrate the hypocrisy that I'm sure is there.
Those with dacha-morality make sure they have what they need and we don't.
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tradewind Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:56:50am |
re: #160 MJ
Nothing needs to be done..... just let them continue to dig away and theyll have the job finished in no time.
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J.S. Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:56:54am |
re: #162 Creeping Eruption
No, it wasn't Dahmer, it was a Chinese psychotic -- he just got sentenced, btw -- to a mental institution (the family was furious).
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Noam Chumpski Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:56:55am |
re: #162 Creeping Eruption
Dahmer.
Heck, that's ancient crime... surely we have some more modern cannibals to boast of....
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unrealizedviewpoint Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:57:06am |
re: #168 Killian Bundy
Mayor Bloomberg: the Rev. Al Sharpton a 'calming influence on the city'
/more New York insanity
What happened to term limits in NYC?
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albusteve Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:57:07am |
re: #147 jemima
Chuckles Schumer has made it almost impossible to get a pistol permit in this state.
you have to beat the shit out of them with the 2nd....if you don't you won't have your gun...there is no other way, they did it in DC and so now you should file a suit
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ErnieG Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:57:19am |
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shiplord kirel Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:57:22am |
I was wondering which gun-free zone would be the venue for the next massacre, a seemingly everyday occurrence in recent weeks. An immigrant help center hadn't occurred to me but obviously some maniac realized that it would be an ideal target. The reaction from media and their lapdog politicians will be to demand still more disarmament of law-abiding Americans, which will only make it worse.
As for the maniac's motive, I really don't care. I hope the bastard is dead or soon will be and may he rot in hell.
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paint-right Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:57:24am |
foolish to speculate, but I'm guessing a combination of marriage trouble and rage at people who were arbitrating between the two...pride, shame etc.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:57:25am |
re: #157 alexknyc
Khobar Towers and the USS Cole were forbidden to have armed guards. I'm not sure about Beirut.
/unloaded weapons
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ConservatismNow! Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:57:29am |
re: #163 jaunte
That is the most awesome thing I've seen today.
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Kreuzueber Halbmond Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:57:42am |
It's the evil coward's way - murder the innocent because he cannot cope with the challenges in his every day life, and then turn the gun on himself. No pity for the killer, but great sympathy for the families of the victims.
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spinmore Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:57:49am |
re: #77 pegcity
That is odd isn't it.
Could be that there aren't any baby harp seals in the U.S. to club over the head.
[sarc.]
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:58:07am |
re: #168 Killian Bundy
Mayor Bloomberg: the Rev. Al Sharpton a 'calming influence on the city'
/more New York insanity
Yeah, Sharpton is calming, like a protection racket actually protects.
Don't pay him, and things aren't calm.
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MJ Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:58:08am |
re: #168 Killian Bundy
Mayor Bloomberg: the Rev. Al Sharpton a 'calming influence on the city'
/more New York insanity
This sums up his "calming influence" on NYC:
Racial agitator and Founder of the National Action Network
Helped incite anti-Jewish riots in Crown Heights, New York in 1991 in which a Jewish student was murdered
Convicted of libel for his role in the Tawana Brawley hoax
Incited anti-Semites against Freddy's Mart which was burned by one of Sharpton's followers, killing seven people
Democratic Party presidential candidate, 2004
[Link: www.discoverthenetworks.org...]
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yma o hyd Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:58:22am |
re: #159 Pvt Bin Jammin
The gunman/gunmen are probably on twitter too.
If they were - it indicates what this is about: their grievance, their state of mnd - the other people are just cardboard cut-outs.
Me - me - me - look at me - now!
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zombie Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:58:28am |
re: #150 JRHelgeson
You don't engage in this type of activity without two factors:
1) Anger towards those he is killing - most likely he feels victimized by those he is shooting. Attaining victim status is the central point of leftist ideology to justify every action of those who commit evil.
2) Narcissism - what I want is superior to your want to live. I am supreme. This inherently precludes any belief in a higher power as people that believe that they will ultimately be held accountable for their actions, in this life or the next, tend not to engage in these types of behavior.
I disagree.
People who believe in a "higher power" -- God, Allah, you name it -- seem to have mental breakdowns and go nuts at about the same rate as everybody else. Yes, in theory, moral responsibility ought to accompany a belief in a higher power, but humans will be humans -- flawed and frail -- and mental instability is an equal-opportunity exploiter.
We could sit here listing off all the believers who have killed through history, as well as all the non-believers who have killed. In both cases, the list would be essentially endless.
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brookly red Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:58:36am |
re: #177 unrealizedviewpoint
What happened to term limits in NYC?
the same thing that happens to any law that dosen't fit the liberal aggenda...
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jaunte Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:59:01am |
re: #183 ConservatismNow!
It's a pretty cool design; I guess you'd have to be careful not to step on the steel peg after you dismounted it for action.
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Athos Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:59:16am |
re: #168 Killian Bundy
Un-effin-believable. Talk about living in Bizarro World.
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Creeping Eruption Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:59:21am |
re: #175 J.S.
No, it wasn't Dahmer, it was a Chinese psychotic -- he just got sentenced, btw -- to a mental institution (the family was furious).
I know that. Canada has that guy, the US had Dahmer who thankfully received some harsh prison justice.
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MandyManners Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:59:24am |
Between this thread and the previous thread, I've had my fill of the world's assholes. bbl
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ROPMA Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:59:31am |
re: #89 zombie
Do we yet know the motivation of the killer?
Is he an immigrant angry about some mistreatment?
Is he a citizen angry about illegal immigration?
Is he an ex-employee with a personal grudge?
Is he a random psychopath?
Is his name MOHAMED?
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shiplord kirel Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:59:32am |
The rich and well-connected can still get gun permits in NY. Poor immigrants and the people who work with them are out of luck though as are law-abiding minorities.
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MJ Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:59:33am |
re: #188 Kosh's Shadow
Yeah, Sharpton is calming, like a protection racket actually protects.
Don't pay him, and things aren't calm.
He learned that from the master- Jesse Jackson and Operation Extortion Push.
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tradewind Fri, Apr 3, 2009 11:59:54am |
re: #168 Killian Bundy
Sharpton's a calming influence on the city?
Sure, just like the muggers in the subways add that rich urban vibe to rush hour
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jemima Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:00:01pm |
re: #178 albusteve
you have to beat the shit out of them with the 2nd....if you don't you won't have your gun...there is no other way, they did it in DC and so now you should file a suit
I settled for a nice Mossberg. It was pointed out to me that in a dark house it's a lot harder to turn a shotgun into the shooter than a pistol. That of course doesn't help in the wider world but it sure makes me happy at home.
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ConservatismNow! Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:00:02pm |
Since we're on the subject of taking of way 2nd amendment rights, I'm trying to come up with a slogan to put on a t-shirt. I'm thinking about something like "I'm not going to be disarmed because of your fear." Help me out here, fellas.
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J.S. Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:00:04pm |
re: #195 Creeping Eruption
Oh, ok. The chinese cannibal's name is Vince Li...
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subsailor68 Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:00:05pm |
re: #168 Killian Bundy
Mayor Bloomberg: the Rev. Al Sharpton a 'calming influence on the city'
/more New York insanity
Bloomberg also noted that Barney Frank has had a calming influence on the economy.
//
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LGoPs Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:00:37pm |
re: #184 brookly red
uh, huh
Well then, I now understand Schumer's position on guns. It's the Leona Helmsley little people mentality........."I don't need a gun. I got my protection. Doesn't everybody have full time cops to protect them?"
/////
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:00:42pm |
re: #192 brookly red
the same thing that happens to any law that dosen't fit the liberal aggenda...
There have been even a goodly number of Republicans who have opposed term limits, so this is a permanent political class agenda, not necessarily just a liberal/Leftoid one.
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Noam Chumpski Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:00:56pm |
re: #203 J.S.
Oh, ok. The chinese cannibal's name is Vince Li...
Yeah, he starred in Raging Asian on a Bus if I recall....
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Edouard Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:01:11pm |
re: #9 LGoPs
I'm afraid the Age of Reason is being replaced by the Age of Emotion. And that's scary.....
The modern politically correct saw is that no emotion is ever "wrong."
Combine that with the fact that nothing is more easy or more instant than to feel an emotion -- and the result is that all sorts of emotional, brainless acts are explained away by a sea of underdeveloped minds, stuck in their sophistry with their adolescent reasoning abilities.
Scary indeed.
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DaddyG Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:01:33pm |
re: #60 subsailor68
The media should just keep its collective mouths shut until there is a confirmation.
That is good advice for any occasion. Confirmation of facts.
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zombie Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:02:09pm |
re: #197 ROPMA
Is his name MOHAMED?
I seriously doubt it. Workplace shoot-em-ups and hostage standoffs are very American. If his name was Mohamed and he had the same urge, he probably would have either blown the place up (along with himself) or gone out in a blaze of violent glory in a minute or two.
My bet is on a home-grown maniac.
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ErnieG Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:02:09pm |
re: #84 ConservatismNow!
After Great Britain banned guns, knife-related crimes went up by like 1000%. Now they are looking at banning knives over a certain length.
If you are in your home over there, and are confronted by a home invader, you have an absolute duty to retreat. Forget about using a knife. If you injure him, even with, say, a broom handle, you would be in serious trouble.
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yma o hyd Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:02:10pm |
re: #198 shiplord kirel
The rich and well-connected can still get gun permits in NY. Poor immigrants and the people who work with them are out of luck though as are law-abiding minorities.
Criminals can get any guns they like, and dont need to bother with permits either.
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tradewind Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:02:14pm |
re: #205 LGoPs
Takes me back to Eugene Robinson getting caught shooting at an intruder in his backyard while writing anti-gun screeds for the WaPo.
Hypocrites.
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NY Nana Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:02:30pm |
12 dead...and the gunman makes 13. He is confirmed as dead.
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Wishing Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:02:32pm |
Just heard Bing. gunman committed suicide, at least 12 others dead.
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subsailor68 Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:02:44pm |
re: #209 DaddyG
That is good advice for any occasion. Confirmation of facts.
Absolutely great point!
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albusteve Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:02:44pm |
re: #201 jemima
I settled for a nice Mossberg. It was pointed out to me that in a dark house it's a lot harder to turn a shotgun into the shooter than a pistol. That of course doesn't help in the wider world but it sure makes me happy at home.
my house is not pitch black...one sqeeze and there goes 9 rounds...take it or leave it
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WalterMitty Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:02:45pm |
re: #167 tradewind
Who in his right mind does understand paranoid schizophrenia?
It's almost always the diagnosis after the fact, when the shooter is left alive,that is.......
Not that it's worth keeping them around to find out, IMO.
This is what baffles me about our society. If a person kills another for some "sane" reason, e.g. he stole my horse so I shot him, one might reasonably assume that person to only be a public hazard to horse thieves. But if one kills by "reason of insanity" that person poses a general hazard to the greater population.
We all know which one is permanently removed from society... :-/
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:02:50pm |
re: #197 ROPMA
Is his name MOHAMED?
That is the only question proposed so far that I would like to see answered, even if only in the broader sense of "was this Jihad?"
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Ojoe Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:03:08pm |
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Killian Bundy Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:03:12pm |
Let's see, FNC reporting 41 people in the building, 13 dead 26 wounded.
/that's almost a perfect score
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shiplord kirel Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:03:24pm |
I wonder what kind of iron Sharpton's bodyguards are carrying? Probably pretty good whatever it is. Same for Bloomberg, Schumer, Paterson, and the rest of the anti-gun assholes who want the little people of NY to be defenseless.
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tradewind Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:03:30pm |
re: #215 NY Nana
Well, there's that......
Could have put the city through a trial.
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midwestgak Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:03:53pm |
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brookly red Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:03:58pm |
re: #206 FurryOldGuyJeans
There have been even a goodly number of Republicans who have opposed term limits, so this is a permanent political class agenda, not necessarily just a liberal/Leftoid one.
Bloomy is in theroy a republican... note that I said liberal not democrat. But yes, yes it is about a ruling class for sure.
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:04:02pm |
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LGoPs Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:04:05pm |
re: #208 Edouard
The modern politically correct saw is that no emotion is ever "wrong."
Combine that with the fact that nothing is more easy or more instant than to feel an emotion -- and the result is that all sorts of emotional, brainless acts are explained away by a sea of underdeveloped minds, stuck in their sophistry with their adolescent reasoning abilities.
Scary indeed.
Well put.
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Edouard Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:04:08pm |
re: #215 NY Nana
...and the gunman makes 13. He is confirmed as dead.
A coward and an asshole for all time.
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:04:19pm |
re: #168 Killian Bundy
Mayor Bloomberg: the Rev. Al Sharpton a 'calming influence on the city'
/more New York insanity
Does that include Sharpton's inciting people to kill Jews, or burn down stores?
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jemima Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:04:26pm |
re: #218 albusteve
my house is not pitch black...one squeeze and there goes 9 rounds...take it or leave it
Nice!
(Okay so I'm a bad girl.)
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unrealizedviewpoint Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:04:45pm |
re: #192 brookly red
the same thing that happens to any law that dosen't fit the liberal aggenda...
They wouldn't hear of it when Rudy wanted to stay on after 9/11.
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J.S. Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:04:48pm |
re: #220 FurryOldGuyJeans
According to early reports, the police swat teams had very early on identified the shooter's car (would have then, presumably, have found out his name?)
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turn Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:05:05pm |
re: #220 FurryOldGuyJeans
That is the only question proposed so far that I would like to see answered, even if only in the broader sense of "was this Jihad?"
The suspect was described as an Asian male in his 20s, between 5-foot-8 and 6 feet tall, wearing a bright green nylon jacket and dark-rimmed glasses.
From JWF's link.
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tradewind Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:05:08pm |
re: #219 WalterMitty
Well see, again, you need to live in a state that understands the right of self-protection.
Almost never is anyone questioned down here for shooting an intruder or person who threatens them.
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yma o hyd Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:05:47pm |
re: #212 ErnieG
If you are in your home over there, and are confronted by a home invader, you have an absolute duty to retreat. Forget about using a knife. If you injure him, even with, say, a broom handle, you would be in serious trouble.
Yep.
Its better you let yourself get killed, here in the UK, than defend yourself - because the toerags wil have you for assault, and the police will of course arrest you.
And if you think you can wait for the cops to arrive before you're dead - forget it.
Too dangerous.
And too much paperwork.
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revobob Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:05:51pm |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:05:51pm |
re: #211 zombie
I seriously doubt it. Workplace shoot-em-ups and hostage standoffs are very American. If his name was Mohamed and he had the same urge, he probably would have either blown the place up (along with himself) or gone out in a blaze of violent glory in a minute or two.
My bet is on a home-grown maniac.
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Wishing Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:06:06pm |
12 people dead. Binghamton will be just devastated. Prayers for the whole city.
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NY Nana Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:06:17pm |
re: #177 unrealizedviewpoint
Booberg had them vote for him running a third term. And they actually did.
/I wonder how much they were paid for it.
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tradewind Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:06:22pm |
re: #229 LGoPs
Maybe no emotion is every wrong.
It's the acting on 'em. The difference between man and the animals, or it should be.
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Right mind left Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:06:26pm |
re: #153 Right mind left
Looks like it is over now, with the guy dead...is this old news?
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A gunman entered an immigration services center in downtown Binghamton on Friday and went on a shooting rampage, killing as many as 13 people and taking as many as 41 people hostage, before being shot dead himself, according to CBS News correspondent Bob Orr.
It's not yet known whether the gunman killed himself or was shot by police.
The hostage situation is believed to be over and officials have scheduled a 4:30 p.m. news conference.
Two men have been escorted from the scene at the American Civic Association building in restraints, but it is not known if they are connected to the shooting, reports Orr.
Two handguns were recovered at the scene, said a law enforcement official who was not authorized to speak about details of an ongoing hostage response and spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity.
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LGoPs Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:06:31pm |
re: #234 buzzsawmonkey
They're writing a real-life, modernized Greek tragedy. Working title, "Anti-gun-y."
And the Medea will advertise it.......
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Creeping Eruption Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:06:34pm |
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J.S. Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:06:41pm |
The two Asian men who were taken out of the building were NOT suspects.
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Gus Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:06:42pm |
News is still coming in so take this for what it's worth. Just read this:
13 killed in New York shooting rampage
Saturday, 04 April , 2009, 00:20
Last Updated: Saturday, 04 April , 2009, 00:24
New York: At least 13 people were killed and 26 wounded in a shooting rampage by a lone gunman inside an upstate New York civic association building that caters to immigrants, news reports said.The suspect was described as an Asian male in his 20s, between 5-foot-8 and 6 feet tall, wearing a bright green nylon jacket and dark-rimmed glasses.
[Link: sify.com...]
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Kenneth Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:06:52pm |
Experts Explain Why N.Korea Wants to Conduct Long-Range Missile Test
The United States, Japan and South Korea believe the launch is a cover for a long-range missile test.
Experts say there are several possible reasons why North Korea is launching a rocket. Jack Garrity, the executive director of the Asia Society, in Washington, says the government in Pyongyang wants to send a message overseas. "The prime objective is to show their independence to the outside world, and to make a point of undermining both the spirit and agreements of the six-party talks," he said.
Nicholas Eberstadt, a researcher at the American Enterprise Institute, believes there is also a domestic political reason for the launch. "[launching the rocket] stands to indicate the success of the regime's military-first politics program, and to strengthen the position of certain groups within the government," he said.
Another question is how a North Korean rocket test would affect the six-party talks on ending Pyongyang's nuclear program. Jack Garrity says it might add urgency to the negotiations. "If anything, it probably gives a little bit of strength to the six-party talks, because all of the countries concerned realize that this is an ongoing issue and among the six parties, nobody really wants to see this occur, except for the North Koreans," he said.
But Eberstadt says the six-party talks are dead. "The six-party talks are pathetic. The six-party talks have been a sort of a zombie for the last four years, while the North Korean government has moved from one nuclear stage to a more advanced nuclear stage to yet a more advanced nuclear stage," he said.
Don't you just love it when two experts say the direct opposite things?
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Eowyn2 Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:07:06pm |
re: #198 shiplord kirel
The rich and well-connected can still get gun permits in NY. Poor immigrants and the people who work with them are out of luck though as are law-abiding minorities.
not to mention law-abiding majorities.
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subsailor68 Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:07:09pm |
re: #224 shiplord kirel
I wonder what kind of iron Sharpton's bodyguards are carrying? Probably pretty good whatever it is. Same for Bloomberg, Schumer, Paterson, and the rest of the anti-gun assholes who want the little people of NY to be defenseless.
Interesting question. On top of that, the irony/hypocrisy of these guys getting protection - using taxpayer dollars - means those dollars are not available to pay additional police to protect the public in general.
So let's recap: These guys use taxpayer dollars to provide security for themselves, at the expense of using those dollars for additional police. And, by the way, then support/pass laws prohibiting their constituents from defending themselves.
It's abominable.
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Right mind left Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:07:17pm |
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yma o hyd Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:07:22pm |
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Buck Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:07:26pm |
re: #152 albusteve
they let him off...a few years in an institution
Ya but you can be sure they are keeping him well fed.....
OK, maybe that was over the line...
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Gus Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:07:26pm |
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zombie Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:07:35pm |
re: #234 buzzsawmonkey
They're writing a real-life, modernized Greek tragedy. Working title, "Anti-gun-y."
The epitome
of
a bad poem
is to rhyme
Antigone
with
baritone.
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Parker in US Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:07:44pm |
I have to give the Nebraska Legislature credit we had a mall shooting out here and they immediately passed a concealed carry law.
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itellu3times Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:07:48pm |
by this, shooter is one Unique Davis, age 22.
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]
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tradewind Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:08:13pm |
re: #246 Right mind left
That cut-and-paste thing can be tricky...
:)
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:08:31pm |
re: #237 turn
The suspect was described as an Asian male in his 20s, between 5-foot-8 and 6 feet tall, wearing a bright green nylon jacket and dark-rimmed glasses.
From JWF's link.
Can still be a Muslim, so the only question I find credible enough to be asked is what I asked earlier. Is this Jihad?
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code red 21 Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:08:32pm |
re: #65 LGoPs
I've always found it odd that before injecting the lethal dose, they will swab the area with alcohol......to prevent infection, I guess?
Seems kind of pointless to say the least.
If the didn't somebody would sue them.
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nyc redneck Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:08:38pm |
re: #168 Killian Bundy
Mayor Bloomberg: the Rev. Al Sharpton a 'calming influence on the city'
/more New York insanity
rudy never once talked to sharpton abt. anything.
he refused to be p.c. abt. that useless, stupid, rabble rouser.
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Catttt Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:09:17pm |
re: #261 itellu3times
by this, shooter is one Unique Davis, age 22.
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]
The late Unique Davis.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:09:22pm |
re: #261 itellu3times
by this, shooter is one Unique Davis, age 22.
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]
/unrelated incident
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Right mind left Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:09:24pm |
re: #262 tradewind
That cut-and-paste thing can be tricky...
:)
No KIDDING! And I thought it was helpful, useful then BLAAAHHHH..
Sorry!
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zombie Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:09:25pm |
re: #261 itellu3times
by this, shooter is one Unique Davis, age 22.
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]
Unique Davis?!?!?
What, is he from a Father Divine household?
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J.S. Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:09:27pm |
re: #263 FurryOldGuyJeans
At this time, I really doubt it. (I suspect it's somebody who doesn't like immigrants...my guess).
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subsailor68 Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:09:43pm |
re: #261 itellu3times
by this, shooter is one Unique Davis, age 22.
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]
I think that's a different incident. The link goes to an article about Brooklyn, not Binghampton.
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WalterMitty Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:09:47pm |
re: #238 tradewind
Well see, again, you need to live in a state that understands the right of self-protection.
Almost never is anyone questioned down here for shooting an intruder or person who threatens them.
My last three states have been/are "shall issue" states. I am the past years combat pistol champion in my division in my region. If I can see what's happening, I can change the outcome.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:09:56pm |
re: #249 J.S.
The two Asian men who were taken out of the building were NOT suspects.
I heard earlier they had been further identified as being Vietnamese.
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albusteve Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:09:59pm |
re: #238 tradewind
Well see, again, you need to live in a state that understands the right of self-protection.
Almost never is anyone questioned down here for shooting an intruder or person who threatens them.
it's not a matter of states rights....the fact that there are still anti-gun laws on the books is political fraud....file a lawsiut and when you win it file for all your costs back...people just are to lazy, they'd rather bitch instead
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zombie Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:10:20pm |
re: #261 itellu3times
by this, shooter is one Unique Davis, age 22.
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]
Different case. Unrelated.
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Kenneth Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:10:36pm |
re: #263 FurryOldGuyJeans
I heard a report the police were requesting a Vietnamese translator. If the translator is to talk to the gunmen, then jihad is ruled out.
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tradewind Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:10:41pm |
re: #250 Gus 802
This is definitely not the first Asian person to go off on a crowd, so it's not really quintessentially ' American ' .
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Catttt Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:10:43pm |
re: #263 FurryOldGuyJeans
Can still be a Muslim, so the only question I find credible enough to be asked is what I asked earlier. Is this Jihad?
I'm guessing it was "angry at the organization."
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ErnieG Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:10:46pm |
re: #261 itellu3times
by this, shooter is one Unique Davis, age 22.
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]
Different case.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:11:12pm |
re: #270 J.S.
At this time, I really doubt it. (I suspect it's somebody who doesn't like immigrants...my guess).
Doubt ain't confirmation one way or the other.
FNC is reporting the police are saying the shooter is dead.
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brandon13 Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:11:23pm |
re: #263 FurryOldGuyJeans
Can still be a Muslim, so the only question I find credible enough to be asked is what I asked earlier. Is this Jihad?
Unless I missed something there's nothing so far to suggest he's a Muslim. Shouldn't we at least get confirmation on the man's religion before we start asking "is this Jihad?"
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J.S. Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:11:44pm |
re: #273 FurryOldGuyJeans
That's correct. The police had in a translator (who could speak Vietnamese/English).
The shooter has NOT been identified.
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Catttt Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:12:12pm |
re: #282 brandon13
Unless I missed something there's nothing so far to suggest he's a Muslim. Shouldn't we at least get confirmation on the man's religion before we start asking "is this Jihad?"
And even then, it could be a Muslim who is angry at the organization - or was.
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midwestgak Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:12:13pm |
re: #232 Ward Cleaver
Does that include Sharpton's inciting people to kill Jews, or burn down stores?
His reputation took a blow in 1987 when he was the spokesman for Tawana Bradley, an African-American teenager who accused a group of white men of rape -- a charge a grand jury deemed a hoax. In later years Sharpton has refashioned himself as a more mature spokesman for the downtrodden. He ran unsuccessfully for president of the United States in 2004.
Obama is the president. It could be worse.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:12:35pm |
re: #277 Kenneth
I heard a report the police were requesting a Vietnamese translator. If the translator is to talk to the gunmen, then jihad is ruled out.
Not necessarily. I know of one Vietnamese guy here in the Seattle area who is a convert to Islam, and he speaks only English and Vietnamese.
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J.S. Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:12:55pm |
re: #281 FurryOldGuyJeans
I am doubting it was about "Jihad." Too early, far too early..
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turn Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:13:12pm |
re: #263 FurryOldGuyJeans
Can still be a Muslim, so the only question I find credible enough to be asked is what I asked earlier. Is this Jihad?
See JS 249, that could have been one of the people who got escorted out. It's probably best to give this the 24 hr rule before we try and make any determinations of what caused this.
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tradewind Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:13:34pm |
re: #274 albusteve
Good luck with that...
Like it or not, this usually comes down to a red state/blue state issue. The voters are the ones who push that legislation through their state houses.
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Fluffy Bunny Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:14:01pm |
Florida has the self-defense law - a truly fine piece of legislation.
I feel threatened, do you feel lucky, punk?
Prayers to the victims and families of this awful tragedy. : (
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ConservatismNow! Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:14:11pm |
re: #274 albusteve
it's not a matter of states rights....the fact that there are still anti-gun laws on the books is political fraud....file a lawsiut and when you win it file for all your costs back...people just are to lazy, they'd rather bitch instead
But guns are icky. Didn't you know that?
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albusteve Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:14:24pm |
re: #291 tradewind
Good luck with that...
Like it or not, this usually comes down to a red state/blue state issue. The voters are the ones who push that legislation through their state houses.
it's not a states issue...you are being bullied
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:14:26pm |
re: #289 turn
See JS 249, that could have been one of the people who got escorted out. It's probably best to give this the 24 hr rule before we try and make any determinations of what caused this.
And I am giving this the 24 hour rule, just asking a question that never seems to get asked by the FMSM even when given more than credible evidence.
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lawhawk Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:14:32pm |
re: #286 midwestgak
His reputation took a blow in 1987 when he was the spokesman for Tawana Bradley, an African-American teenager who accused a group of white men of rape -- a charge a grand jury deemed a hoax. In later years Sharpton has refashioned himself as a more mature spokesman for the downtrodden. He ran unsuccessfully for president of the United States in 2004.
Obama is the president. It could be worse.
That's Slim Shady Al Sharpton. The man had no problems spreading the Brawley hoax and increasing racial tensions there or following the Crown Heights riots. The man is a menace no matter how much people (particularly Sharpton and the press) try to rehabilitate his image. He never did pay up on the damages owed to Steven Pagones.
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LGoPs Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:14:33pm |
I've often wondered if we really are seeing an explosion of violent insanity or is it the fact that instantaneous 24/7 news coverage magnifies what was always out there in the past (weighted for smaller popoulations in the past of course).........
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Catttt Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:15:28pm |
Funny thing is - it is hard to stereotype people when you know a lot of people from all over the world. I work with a great Vietnamese American guy. I also work with a great guy from Morocco whose name happens to be Mohamed (he helps me with French letters - his brother also does so). I could go on.
And that's just in person. We all know people from all over - I know people from here but also from gaming online.
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albusteve Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:15:50pm |
NM is entirely Democrat at the top...and has very liberal gun laws...if you want a gun have one...if you want to carry it go ahead
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:16:09pm |
re: #297 LGoPs
I've often wondered if we really are seeing an explosion of violent insanity or is it the fact that instantaneous 24/7 news coverage magnifies what was always out there in the past (weighted for smaller popoulations in the past of course).........
I see it more of a case that 24/7 news is the catalyst since now things get instant nation-wide coverage.
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Eowyn2 Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:16:09pm |
re: #261 itellu3times
by this, shooter is one Unique Davis, age 22.
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]
I think you are looking at the wrong shooting.
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WalterMitty Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:16:12pm |
re: #297 LGoPs
I've often wondered if we really are seeing an explosion of violent insanity or is it the fact that instantaneous 24/7 news coverage magnifies what was always out there in the past (weighted for smaller popoulations in the past of course).........
24/7 news cycle more than anything else. IMO.
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yma o hyd Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:16:28pm |
re: #283 rawmuse
That is inconceivable. What insanity.
It is insane indeed.
But that what happens when the Police Top Brass is in with the reigning party, the neostalinist NuLab conmen of Tony Blair and Gord.
The lower ranks are so inundated with boxes to tick, and reports to fill in, and so cowed by political correctness and all these health&safety regulations, its absolute lunacy.
Add to that a youth which is out of control because of NuLab educational regulations and the police and normal citizens are helpless.
Oh - and lets not forget the 'uman roights lawyers ..
Bring on the elections, and make an end to this shambles!
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docremulac Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:16:52pm |
Here's how to stop all gun violence:
1- Take those same laws that have made illegal drugs impossible to get on the streets and apply them to guns.
2- Make it illegal to use a gun for a crime. Then when somebody wants to go on a killing rampage, they won't use a gun for fear of breaking the law.
3- Stop blaming criminals for crime and start locking up the real cause of crime: our society. Since our society is made up of about 300 million people, when somebody commits a crime, lock up a portion of the society that drove that person to commit the crime. With any luck, in a few years society will be in prison and the "criminals" will all be on the outside, perhaps doing macrame or learning knitting. Whatever it is that criminals do when society isn't forcing them to commit crimes.
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revobob Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:17:19pm |
re: #272 WalterMitty
My last three states have been/are "shall issue" states. I am the past years combat pistol champion in my division in my region. If I can see what's happening, I can change the outcome.
IDPA, USPSA, ?
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Kenneth Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:17:33pm |
The Way to Win the North Korean Nuclear Game
Resolving the North Korean nuclear issue is only possible if China’s attitude changes or if a military solution can be used. However, a military solution is only possible when the exact location of North Korea’s plutonium or nuclear weapons can be detected, which has not thus far been possible.
Hence, China holds one key to resolving the North Korea nuclear issue, not the Bush administration or Obama administrations. Unless China understands the importance of building a relationship with South Korea rather than the Kim Jong Il regime, the North Korea nuclear issue will never come to an end.
So, “Why did the United States attempt to solve the issue with North Korea diplomatically?” It is because diplomatic approach was the only effort, although unrealistic, that the U.S. could have made. The U.S., rather than confronting the limitations of diplomatic negotiations, held on to an unrealistic hope called ‘the possibility of a diplomatic solution’.
The U.S., with its unrealistic hope in hand, gave in again and again without being willing to try out a different strategy.
The Obama administration surely will be faced with the same problem. People may expect a sudden change as a new administration comes to office, but the fundamental problem will not change.
The Obama administration will attempt high level negotiations specifically focused on North Korea issues. However, the U.S. needs to remember that North Korea has been using the Six Party Talks to obtain what it needs to rebuild its regime. That is North Korean strategy: maintaining a safe distance, making others believe that they can negotiate while never negotiating.
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MJ Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:17:36pm |
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Kenneth Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:18:19pm |
re: #287 FurryOldGuyJeans
ok, possible, but statistically unlikely.
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itellu3times Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:18:30pm |
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nikis-knight Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:18:51pm |
re: #211 zombie
I seriously doubt it. Workplace shoot-em-ups and hostage standoffs are very American
I'm not saying you're wrong, but that is a nauseating thing to read.
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LGoPs Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:19:04pm |
re: #286 midwestgak
His reputation took a blow in 1987 when he was the spokesman for Tawana Bradley, an African-American teenager who accused a group of white men of rape -- a charge a grand jury deemed a hoax. In later years Sharpton has refashioned himself as a more mature spokesman for the downtrodden. He ran unsuccessfully for president of the United States in 2004.
Obama is the president. It could be worse.
Al Sharptonre: #302 FurryOldGuyJeans
I see it more of a case that 24/7 news is the catalyst since now things get instant nation-wide coverage.
I don't mean to disagree, but I disagree. I don not think that Sharpton's reputation took a blow. He is still regularly seen in the media and is treated with deference (*Gag*).
I think the media decides who's reputation takes a blow and since they are the arbitors, it is universally Republicans/Conservatives.
I really fucking hate the media.
re: #304 WalterMitty
24/7 news cycle more than anything else. IMO.
My thinking too.......
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ConservatismNow! Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:19:16pm |
re: #311 Kenneth
ok, possible, but statistically unlikely.
Sometimes people's is jus' crazy, y'know?
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Catttt Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:19:22pm |
re: #299 taxfreekiller
Gold Rush Camps in Colorado and California were not safe places.
My grandfather's description of Aspen (he was a train engineer) was that it was nothing but miners and whores. He allowed as how it was not a safe environment, and he was correct. He put that in more colorful language than I did.
Remember the movie McCabe and Mrs. Miller?
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turn Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:19:24pm |
re: #306 docremulac
Hey, I thought I heard no one could find any papers O wrote in college. dang how did you find that?
/
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:19:25pm |
re: #306 docremulac
Do I get a /sarc tag free with that purchase?
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tradewind Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:19:38pm |
re: #294 albusteve
Oh really?
Seriously.... when citizens send the likes of John Kerry, Barney Frank, Chuck Schumer, and Keith Ellison.... just tossing out a few names, there are worse around... to be their representatives in DC, what do you expect?
Sounds to me like they're comfortable dragging those ball and chains around and they like being told they can't carry weapons.
If those are their reps to Congress, you can imagine what goes on in their state houses. I realize that there are pockets of sanity even in say, VT and NY, but the majority makes the rules.
Just saying...
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KenJen Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:19:42pm |
re: #295 FurryOldGuyJeans
If the gunman has a muslim sounding name they will hold of on announcing it-let things cool off. Wouldn't want any violence/retaliaton against the muslim community.
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CapeCoddah Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:19:42pm |
These murder sprees make me so mad, I cannot see straight. Of course I have compassion and offer prayers for the innocent murdered and wounded, but this kind of senseless murder can easily be stopped, by arming the citizenry. It scared the hell out of Hitler when it came to Switzerland, and the Japanese, who bombed Pearl Harbor instead of a land invasion of the mainland US. If most of us were armed, and I would not object a bit to folks carrying them on the hip, exposed, like the police do, this crap would never reach these extremes. Sure, some nuts will still take shots, but they will be stopped instantly, not a double digit death toll of innocent, helpless victims.
Take a good look at Switzerland's gun policy. Our Founding Fathers got it, and guaranteed it to us. It seems it is time for the people to demand that right back.
It is the liberal government who is responsible for the murders of these folks today. This did not have to happen, and it would not have, if our legislators had a single functioning brain cell between them.
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LGoPs Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:20:02pm |
Everybody ignore my 314. I blended 2 responses........
Sheesh.
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aggieann Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:20:26pm |
re: #261 itellu3times
by this, shooter is one Unique Davis, age 22.
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]
And one of the first reader posts is the old "he was a good kid who just made bad decisions" meme.
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CapeCoddah Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:20:45pm |
re: #321 CapeCoddah
Switzerland's views on an armed citizenry. Great read.
[Link: www.barefootsworld.net...]
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LGoPs Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:20:50pm |
re: #286 midwestgak
His reputation took a blow in 1987 when he was the spokesman for Tawana Bradley, an African-American teenager who accused a group of white men of rape -- a charge a grand jury deemed a hoax. In later years Sharpton has refashioned himself as a more mature spokesman for the downtrodden. He ran unsuccessfully for president of the United States in 2004.
Obama is the president. It could be worse.
I don't mean to disagree, but I disagree. I do not think that Sharpton's reputation took a blow. He is still regularly seen in the media and is treated with deference (*Gag*).
I think the media decides who's reputation takes a blow and since they are the arbitors, it is universally Republicans/Conservatives.
I really fucking hate the media.
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WalterMitty Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:21:09pm |
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tradewind Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:21:27pm |
re: #294 albusteve
(BTW, I'm not being bullied... we can carry legally here as long as we're not insane or criminals.... and those groups will do it anyway, so it's only evening things out).
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LGoPs Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:21:37pm |
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midwestgak Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:21:38pm |
re: #309 MJ
Whoa. The tension in that room. Glad I wasn't there.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:22:00pm |
OT
In France, Obama takes no questions from French
President Obama held a much ballyhooed town hall in Strasbourg, France, on Friday, touted by the White House as an outreach to Europeans on the second leg of the president's "listening" tour.
But the first person he called on was an American -- and the third, too. By the end of the hourlong session, not a single French citizen got to ask the U.S. president a question.
Will the man ever STOP campaigning and get down to the job of providing leadership, the job he was hired to perform?
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itellu3times Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:22:00pm |
re: #323 aggieann
I cited an article on "the wrong shooting".
Dang, what a world.
So we're still waiting on anything about the shooter here.
Sorry for the bad post.
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albusteve Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:22:05pm |
re: #319 tradewind
Oh really?
Seriously.... when citizens send the likes of John Kerry, Barney Frank, Chuck Schumer, and Keith Ellison.... just tossing out a few names, there are worse around... to be their representatives in DC, what do you expect?
Sounds to me like they're comfortable dragging those ball and chains around and they like being told they can't carry weapons.
If those are their reps to Congress, you can imagine what goes on in their state houses. I realize that there are pockets of sanity even in say, VT and NY, but the majority makes the rules.
Just saying...
when was the last suit to remove restrictive gun laws off the books in your state?
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revobob Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:22:16pm |
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paradox42 Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:22:36pm |
re: #320 KenJen
If the gunman has a muslim sounding name they will hold of on announcing it-let things cool off. Wouldn't want any violence/retaliaton against the muslim community.
I think the policy of the media with respect to spree killers should be to never release their names or anything about them. Only release the names of the victims and a bio of each one.
These bastards want recognition and notoriety. We should deny them that. Burn their manifestos and videos. Condemn them to obscurity. That is the probably the only way to truly hurt a psychopath.
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subsailor68 Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:22:38pm |
re: #323 aggieann
And one of the first reader posts is the old "he was a good kid who just made bad decisions" meme.
Sigh. There's only one response to that kind of comment:
"No shit, Sherlock? Really? Hard to find a worse decision than that one, isn't it?"
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Buffalo Fats Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:22:41pm |
The only success recently in stopping these rampages has been through armed citizens; the lady at the church (hundreds could have died) and the guy at the Utah mall.
The crazy gunmen seem to be most "successful" in "no gun" zones (and states).
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brandon13 Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:22:50pm |
re: #315 ConservatismNow!
Sometimes people's is jus' crazy, y'know?
"Everybody is wanting to know what music were the kids listening to, or what movies were they watching. Who gives a fuck what they was watching! Whatever happened to crazy? What, you can't be crazy no more? Should we eliminate crazy from the dictionary?" - Chris Rock
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WalterMitty Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:23:00pm |
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Catttt Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:23:23pm |
re: #330 FurryOldGuyJeans
OT
In France, Obama takes no questions from French
Will the man ever STOP campaigning and get down to the job of providing leadership, the job he was hired to perform?
I'm thinking he is just a dufus - doing stuff not for a (to him logical) reason but because he is out of his depth.
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Eowyn2 Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:23:38pm |
re: #239 yma o hyd
i have a spare bedroom you can have. and LEGALLY owned guns.
They have been playing with the law here (MT) and tried to pass a law saying that if you had egress, you couldn't harm an intruder. You were supposed to just run away while someone ransacked your property. Considering they tried to do this in 'the old west' I can only imagine what the NRA fights in more liberal areas.
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Russkilitlover Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:23:52pm |
I'm late to this thread (damn meetings!) so I haven't read a lot of it. Do we know who the killer is? Did he have a relationship with the immigration center?
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Wishing Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:24:16pm |
There will be a news conf. at 4.30 eastern on Bing. shooting
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Kenneth Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:24:26pm |
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brookly red Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:24:36pm |
Regarding Sharpton, we really don't need him to shake down corporations anymore... we have moved to a whole nuther level.
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J.S. Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:24:43pm |
re: #341 Russkilitlover
the identity of the shooter is still unknown (apparently the shooter took his own life -- shot himself in the head).
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Eowyn2 Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:24:55pm |
re: #316 Catttt
My grandfather's description of Aspen (he was a train engineer) was that it was nothing but miners and whores. He allowed as how it was not a safe environment, and he was correct. He put that in more colorful language than I did.
Remember the movie McCabe and Mrs. Miller?
the miners came in 49
the whores in 51
and when they got together
they produced the native son.
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paradox42 Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:24:55pm |
re: #323 aggieann
And one of the first reader posts is the old "he was a good kid who just made bad decisions" meme.
A good kid who made is a bad decision is the lonely 12-year old girl who shoplifts a CD from Walmart to fit in with her "new friends" so she won't have to eat lunch alone at school.
This guy is just plain evil.
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rw in san diego Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:25:29pm |
Good afternoon, everybody. Terrible day. FWIW, I think the name of this murderer should not be released for a long, long time. I don't care who he is, or what his story is, or what his reasons for this are. I fear that the rampant publicity appeals to too many really sick people. Let the news be about all the good things people have to say about the victims and the devastation this awful act has brought to so many families. Let it be an appeal for prayers and help for the victims.
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Lincolntf Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:25:52pm |
I had to take a break for a few hours (spree shootings make me hate humans), but I saw an earlier post with the 12 dead and more than 20 wounded. Is that verified? Were they (the 20+) all shot?
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revobob Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:25:58pm |
It seems to me that a lot of the liberal objection to armed citizens is that their whole agenda is based on NOT accepting responsibility for anything- "it's Bushes fault", "it's society's fault", etc.etc.etc. Accepting the responsibility for your own defense is part of an attitude that they cannot comprehend. The late Col. Cooper called them 'rabbit people' and that works as well as anything.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:26:19pm |
re: #339 Catttt
I'm thinking he is just a dufus - doing stuff not for a (to him logical) reason but because he is out of his depth.
I will never consider the man a doofus, he had enough connections and political savvy to get elected. He just has no experience in anything except campaigning.
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revobob Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:26:45pm |
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zombie Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:26:54pm |
re: #301 buzzsawmonkey
You, Don Marquis, or Ogden Nash?
Me -- off the top of my head.
Though you're right, now that I look at it -- I did seem to be channeling Don Marquis!
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tradewind Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:27:26pm |
re: #339 Catttt
He's just miffed 'cause Bruni wouldn't hug him.
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J.S. Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:27:34pm |
re: #349 Lincolntf
CNN is reporting that 12 were shot and killed, and 5 were taken to the hospital...
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jcm Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:27:46pm |
re: #341 Russkilitlover
I'm late to this thread (damn meetings!) so I haven't read a lot of it. Do we know who the killer is? Did he have a relationship with the immigration center?
You and me both.....
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Catttt Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:27:52pm |
re: #346 Eowyn2
the miners came in 49
the whores in 51
and when they got together
they produced the native son.
:D
There was a place where I went to college that had ice cream specials named after the prostitutes who had worked in the building when it was a whore house. Tin Roof Lizzie - Skinny Minnie - like that. My mom remembered that the place was still open when she went to college there.
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Lincolntf Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:28:01pm |
re: #355 J.S.
Thank you. I'm in no mood to turn on the TV yet.
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The Other Les Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:28:28pm |
Meanwhile, inside the Beltway...
The president's e-mail list of 13-million resulted in just 114,000 individual pledges — a response rate of less than 1 percent. Party workers secured another 100,000 signatures by hitting the streets. The DNC arrived at its 642,000 figure by making three photocopies of each petition so that every signer's senators and representative could get one.
DNC spokesperson Natalie Wyeth responded: "This effort was designed to give our supporters the tools to influence their elected officials. Of course we delivered a pledge to each of their members of Congress — 642,000 pledges. That's what we said we were delivering and that's what we did."
When asked about the impression in the DNC press release that there were 642,000 unique pledges, she offered no response.
Gosh, what a surprise.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:29:00pm |
re: #355 J.S.
CNN is reporting that 12 were shot and killed, and 5 were taken to the hospital...
FNC "confirms" 13 dead. Just more speculation. *SPIT*
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yma o hyd Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:29:12pm |
re: #330 FurryOldGuyJeans
OT
In France, Obama takes no questions from French
Will the man ever STOP campaigning and get down to the job of providing leadership, the job he was hired to perform?
I see good old TOTUS also had a French outing ...!
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alegrias Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:29:29pm |
re: #351 FurryOldGuyJeans
I will never consider the man a doofus, he had enough connections and political savvy to get elected. He just has no experience in anything except campaigning.
* * * *
Thank you.
The doofuses are the dopes who fell for "Image is Everything" and punished us and our children with bad policies.
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tradewind Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:30:01pm |
re: #335 subsailor68
Yeah, and the teenage thuggy demonstrators are still saying that the uberthug who killed four police officers before he was himself shot was ' a good dude'.
Not so much.
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Russkilitlover Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:30:07pm |
re: #330 FurryOldGuyJeans
OT
I strongly suspect that those "questioners" were Obama plants that came along on this European Vacation - part of the 500. This will be the case in all of his so-called townhalls. He will never call on a person in the crowd without knowing beforehand exactly what the question will be.
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jcm Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:30:07pm |
DEVELOPING: Thirteen people are dead after a gunman opened fire at an immigration center in Binghamton, N.Y
I really wish they would not list the criminal among the dead. Okay, the bastard is dead GOOD but his victims should not be lumped together with their killer.
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J.S. Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:30:35pm |
re: #361 FurryOldGuyJeans
Yes, 13 if you include the shooter, otherwise, it's 12 killed.
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midwestgak Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:31:12pm |
re: #325 LGoPs
I don't mean to disagree, but I disagree. I do not think that Sharpton's reputation took a blow. He is still regularly seen in the media and is treated with deference (*Gag*).
I think the media decides who's reputation takes a blow and since they are the arbiters, it is universally Republicans/Conservatives.
I really fucking hate the media.
It's okay to disagree with the author of the article I posted.
I agree with you that the media can make or break.
Like Jesse Jackson, Sharpton confers the title of "reverend" on himself.
Can I confer too? Going forward, please refer to me as Queen Gak./////
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Kenneth Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:31:12pm |
Lee met with the Chinese president on the sideline of the Group of 20 Summit in London on Friday.Lee stressed that if Pyongyang carries out the launch, it will be in clear violation of the United Nations Security Council Resolution 1718. He also asked for China's help in seeking sanctions at the U.N. Security Council.
But the Chinese leader was negative about Security Council sanctions if the North puts a satellite into orbit as it claims.
On the denuclearization of the North, the two leaders agreed to work closely together to acheive a verifiable and complete dismantlement of the North's nuclear programs through the six-party talks.
Thanks for nuttin'
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WalterMitty Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:31:18pm |
re: #352 revobob
I'm Socal- wanna tell me where you are?
Too much information for this forum. I am too well known to share that. Look for me at Morro Bay.
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Emerald Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:31:18pm |
Wow. This is the first I've heard of this. It's so hard to imagine someone seeing mass murder as their only option to whatever it is that's bothering them. I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out the killer had mental problems.
re: #297 LGoPs
I've often wondered if we really are seeing an explosion of violent insanity or is it the fact that instantaneous 24/7 news coverage magnifies what was always out there in the past (weighted for smaller popoulations in the past of course).........
I just finished reading a book about the New Madrid earthquakes. The violence in towns along the Mississippi during the 19th century was incredible. I remember reading accounts from homesteaders, and how people wouldn't hesitate to murder a family to jump their claim.
Despite any claims to a higher calling, news is a business. Violence sells. I think we get a distorted view of how dangerous things are because the media highlight violent stories.
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CapeCoddah Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:31:22pm |
re: #323 aggieann
And one of the first reader posts is the old "he was a good kid who just made bad decisions" meme.
Gotta love that. Someone should tell that ass that a bad decision is putting cheap tires on your car, not murdering 13 people for whatever twisted justification he convinced himself of.
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LGoPs Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:31:26pm |
re: #360 The Other Les
Meanwhile, inside the Beltway...
The president's e-mail list of 13-million resulted in just 114,000 individual pledges — a response rate of less than 1 percent. Party workers secured another 100,000 signatures by hitting the streets. The DNC arrived at its 642,000 figure by making three photocopies of each petition so that every signer's senators and representative could get one.
Gosh, what a surprise.
These are the same fuckers that will be conducting the census.
We are in big trouble unless we stop them. use their own tactics on them - start litigation now. Sue early and sue often.
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subsailor68 Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:31:26pm |
re: #343 Kenneth
Interesting - the headline says the military's been put on full alert, but it doesn't specifically say that anywhere in the article. It even talks about SK being willing to send an envoy to NK. The only possible reference in the article is:
As North Korea's planned rocket launch could occur today at the earliest, the government is looking into all possible countermeasures.
Not sure what to make of all this, but one thing's for certain: this could get very bad, very fast.
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J.S. Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:31:45pm |
CNN new info on gunman...had ID on him, 42 years old, not releasing name.
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zombie Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:32:23pm |
re: #367 jcm
DEVELOPING: Thirteen people are dead after a gunman opened fire at an immigration center in Binghamton, N.Y
I really wish they would not list the criminal among the dead. Okay, the bastard is dead GOOD but his victims should not be lumped together with their killer.
I agree. Once you commit murder, you forfeit your personhood. Therefore, 12 people were killed, and a feculent bag of wasted molecules began the decomposition process.
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The Other Les Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:32:32pm |
re: #367 jcm
DEVELOPING: Thirteen people are dead after a gunman opened fire at an immigration center in Binghamton, N.Y
I really wish they would not list the criminal among the dead. Okay, the bastard is dead GOOD but his victims should not be lumped together with their killer.
The Other Side doesn't like to distinguish between victims and perps. Gee, they may have to hold someone morally responsible, or something.
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revobob Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:32:57pm |
re: #372 WalterMitty
Too much information for this forum. I am too well known to share that. Look for me at Morro Bay.
Good enough and thankee. And with that, lunch is over...
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debutaunt Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:33:04pm |
re: #366 Russkilitlover
I strongly suspect that those "questioners" were Obama plants that came along on this European Vacation - part of the 500. This will be the case in all of his so-called townhalls. He will never call on a person in the crowd without knowing beforehand exactly what the question will be.
Q&A prepared in advance, after Joe the Plumber exposed him.
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BlueCanuck Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:33:32pm |
re: #380 zombie
I agree. Once you commit murder, you forfeit your personhood. Therefore, 12 people were killed, and a feculent bag of wasted molecules began the decomposition process.
You have such a way of words about you at times. :D
/*ding*
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Catttt Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:33:34pm |
re: #378 buzzsawmonkey
And, of course, back when your dad was a mere brothel of a boy...
Ha. My dad had a job as a little boy carrying ice to the whore house in my home town. :D
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jcm Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:33:46pm |
re: #362 buzzsawmonkey
There will always be people who cannot handle responsibility. Arguably, all of us can't handle responsibility in some aspect of our lives.
But we do not become better at handling responsibility by being given less of it, because by having less responsibility we have less practice at being responsible.
Being responsible means having more opportunities to screw up--which means more practice at dealing with frustration, failure or disappointment, and therefore more likelihood of being armored against being broken by it.
If we give away all responsibility for protection and civility to the government, we absolve ourselves of the need to practice these things. If we hand over to the government the management of our money, our career choices, our lives, we are making the choice to become Eloi handing ourselves over to Morlocks.
There will probably be an uptick of ugly incidents if gun ownership becomes less circumscribed, simply because some people will have less practice in behaving responsibly. But it is a step towards the society as a whole taking back its birthright of individual responsibility from those who now hold it but should never have been entrusted with it.
Agreed.
But their will also be a corollary pressure. More responsible people will have and carry firearms. The chances of someone who means to do harm of running into an armed citizen will go up.
John Lott has done good work in showing that the higher the number of legal firearms, crime and incidents go down.
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lawhawk Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:34:15pm |
Lawfare.... first Gitmo terrorists were deemed to have habeas rights. Now, terrorists and detainees in Bagram prison in Afghanistan have been deemed by a court to have habeas rights. That means detainees there have access to US courts (the DC Circuit Court).
This is asinine and throws centuries of law on its head, to say nothing of the fact that US law and US treaties (Geneva Conventions were clear on all of this).
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Creeping Eruption Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:34:16pm |
re: #370 midwestgak
Going forward, please refer to me as Queen Gak./////
What would you like on your Ipod your Majesty?
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ConservatismNow! Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:34:22pm |
re: #386 Catttt
Ha. My dad had a job as a little boy carrying ice to the whore house in my home town. :D
How does one get a job like that?
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zombie Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:34:35pm |
re: #369 buzzsawmonkey
All I can say is, "Gee, I wish I'd have written that."
In retrospect, it would have better if I had gone with the Nash-esque po'm instead of "poem."
Regrets, regrets.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:35:20pm |
re: #366 Russkilitlover
I strongly suspect that those "questioners" were Obama plants that came along on this European Vacation - part of the 500. This will be the case in all of his so-called townhalls. He will never call on a person in the crowd without knowing beforehand exactly what the question will be.
He didn't have to leave the US to get planted questions. This is just another facet of the overweening arrogance of the man.
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Randall Gross Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:35:24pm |
re: #357 Catttt
:D
There was a place where I went to college that had ice cream specials named after the prostitutes who had worked in the building when it was a whore house. Tin Roof Lizzie - Skinny Minnie - like that. My mom remembered that the place was still open when she went to college there.
THere's an area where I grew up of small short streets on both sides of the main drag -- those on one side were named after prostitutes, those on the other side of the main drag were named after nuns.
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alegrias Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:35:33pm |
re: #375 LGoPs
These are the same fuckers that will be conducting the census.
We are in big trouble unless we stop them. use their own tactics on them - start litigation now. Sue early and sue often.
* * * *
Who's going to sue & with what?
Upstate New Yorkers had a chance THIS WEEK, Tuesday, to just say NO to the thuggish UnionAcornistas at the ballot in a "republican" district.
We have to ACT, not just litigate.
(Although I understand democrats are trying to disqualify military ballots that were sent too late for the military voters to be counted; THIS shameful shenanigan should be litigated, I agree.)
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Catttt Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:35:45pm |
re: #390 ConservatismNow!
How does one get a job like that?
Well, first you get yourself a time machine.........
/
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J.S. Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:35:53pm |
re: #388 lawhawk
I saw that on the CNN crawler yesterday -- that Afghans now have the right to sue the U.S. government...(I don't even know what to say about this..so f*g outrageous.)
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:36:45pm |
re: #367 jcm
DEVELOPING: Thirteen people are dead after a gunman opened fire at an immigration center in Binghamton, N.Y
I really wish they would not list the criminal among the dead. Okay, the bastard is dead GOOD but his victims should not be lumped together with their killer.
"Twelve people and a murdering, rampaging, sub-animal are dead..."
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chicagodudewhotrades Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:37:22pm |
re: #388 lawhawk
I have read that the Bambi administration actaully supported the Bush legal position on this becuase this case opens a can of worms. btw, how is your ankle?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:37:26pm |
re: #368 J.S.
Yes, 13 if you include the shooter, otherwise, it's 12 killed.
FNC said 13 PLUS the shooter.
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yma o hyd Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:37:51pm |
Just one more thought about armed citizens.
Remember these building machines, earthmovers, so forth, who suddenly had the urge to kill Israelis?
Remember how quickly the asshats who drove them were killed?
Not by police or SWAT teams - but by armed Israelis who knew what to do.
Just a thought ...
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albusteve Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:38:10pm |
re: #397 J.S.
I saw that on the CNN crawler yesterday -- that Afghans now have the right to sue the U.S. government...(I don't even know what to say about this..so f*g outrageous.)
I read stuff like that and my brain automatically computes....pass the bourbon
| 404 |
Creeping Eruption Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:38:15pm |
re: #400 chicagodudewhotrades
I have read that the Bambi administration actaully supported the Bush legal position on this becuase this case opens a can of worms. btw, how is your ankle?
I heard that too. Expect an appeal.
| 405 |
debutaunt Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:38:20pm |
re: #392 FurryOldGuyJeans
He didn't have to leave the US to get planted questions. This is just another facet of the overweening arrogance of the man.
Just a minute! How can he be expected to control his stammering and stuttering AND answer unscripted questions.
| 406 |
midwestgak Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:38:33pm |
re: #380 zombie
I agree. Once you commit murder, you forfeit your personhood. Therefore, 12 people were killed, and a feculent bag of wasted molecules began the decomposition process.
Updinged your use of the word.
fec·u·lent (fky-lnt)
adj.
Full of foul or impure matter; fecal.
[Middle English, from Latin faeculentus, heavy with sediment, from faex, faec-, dregs.]
| 407 |
The Other Les Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:38:35pm |
re: #400 chicagodudewhotrades
I have read that the Bambi administration actaully supported the Bush legal position on this becuase this case opens a can of worms. btw, how is your ankle?
We wouldn't want to violate the rights of all those worms.
| 408 |
J.S. Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:38:38pm |
re: #401 FurryOldGuyJeans
Really? (that's not what CNN has been reporting -- hmm..probably have to wait and see, etc.)
| 409 |
Fluffy Bunny Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:38:40pm |
re: #395 jcm
I don't mind groveling as long as we don't have to kiss the ring!
| 410 |
alegrias Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:38:42pm |
re: #388 lawhawk
Lawfare.... first Gitmo terrorists were deemed to have habeas rights. Now, terrorists and detainees in Bagram prison in Afghanistan have been deemed by a court to have habeas rights. That means detainees there have access to US courts (the DC Circuit Court).
This is asinine and throws centuries of law on its head, to say nothing of the fact that US law and US treaties (Geneva Conventions were clear on all of this).
* * * *
thank judge Ricardo Urbina for this travesty.
I'm not happy next they'll ship them to live comfortably in my Alexandria, VA neighborhood jail which I can see from my balcony. On a clear day, I don't want to see jiihadis. Thanks to democrats, I'll pay for the privilege.
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Kenneth Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:38:50pm |
re: #376 subsailor68
China is finally making public statements on the issue:
China does not oppose taking N. Korean rocket to U.N. Security Council
Obama met with South Korean President Lee at the G-20 meeting. No doubt they discussed the missile test.
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Catttt Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:39:12pm |
re: #354 tradewind
He's just miffed 'cause Bruni wouldn't hug him.
Well, for once - who can blame him?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:39:23pm |
re: #387 jcm
Agreed.
But their will also be a corollary pressure. More responsible people will have and carry firearms. The chances of someone who means to do harm of running into an armed citizen will go up.
John Lott has done good work in showing that the higher the number of legal firearms, crime and incidents go down.
Have any reliable statistics been put out regarding gun violence in DC since the SCOTUS shot down (pun intended) the draconian gun restrictions there?
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midwestgak Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:39:32pm |
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Archimedes Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:39:38pm |
re: #9 LGoPs
I'm afraid the Age of Reason is being replaced by the Age of Emotion. And that's scary.....
Age of Reason? That was at the time of John Locke. I have philosophical texts that break the predominant philosophies down by these kind of "ages". The founders were alive at the so called Age of Enlightenment, which was also very much an age of reason. Jefferson explicitly put reason first.
If you think about Clinton and Bush, neither of them were about reason. Clinton was about emotion and Bush about faith.
However, I agree with you, today we are in an age of emotion, which is the sure road to hell, because emotions don't build bridges, solve math equations or cure diseases. We need reason for that.
Philosophically speaking, the two dominating philosophies today are postmodernism and pragmatism. Neither of which is good. We need to go back to a *principled* age of reason.
| 417 |
Ward Cleaver Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:40:03pm |
re: #360 The Other Les
Meanwhile, inside the Beltway...
Gosh, what a surprise.
That sounds like an ACORN census count.
| 418 |
Kosh's Shadow Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:40:35pm |
re: #411 Kenneth
China is finally making public statements on the issue:
China does not oppose taking N. Korean rocket to U.N. Security Council
Obama met with South Korean President Lee at the G-20 meeting. No doubt they discussed the missile test.
Ooooh, another strongly-worded letter. Maybe Kim will get a paper cut.
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albusteve Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:40:52pm |
re: #411 Kenneth
China is finally making public statements on the issue:
China does not oppose taking N. Korean rocket to U.N. Security Council
Obama met with South Korean President Lee at the G-20 meeting. No doubt they discussed the missile test.
why would they oppose such a meaningless gesture?....they are after all co-operative
| 421 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:41:15pm |
re: #388 lawhawk
We just have to go back to storing them in black sites or render them to a friendly barbarian country to torture them for us. It's all for the best. The transparency of the Bush plan with Gitmo was a nice try but it just didn't work out.
| 422 |
Ward Cleaver Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:41:34pm |
re: #411 Kenneth
China is finally making public statements on the issue:
China does not oppose taking N. Korean rocket to U.N. Security Council
Obama met with South Korean President Lee at the G-20 meeting. No doubt they discussed the missile test.
They're taking a North Korean rocket to the UNSC? How are they going to get it through the doors? I mean, it's pretty big, isn't it?
/ducking
| 423 |
midwestgak Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:41:38pm |
re: #389 Creeping Eruption
What would you like on your Ipod your Majesty?
All of the president's speeches.///////
| 424 |
subsailor68 Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:42:17pm |
re: #411 Kenneth
China is finally making public statements on the issue:
China does not oppose taking N. Korean rocket to U.N. Security Council
Obama met with South Korean President Lee at the G-20 meeting. No doubt they discussed the missile test.
Great link. I'd bet you're right about Obama and Lee discussing this, but not sure what Obama's position might have been. And China's "not opposed" stance is a little weak for my taste, but it's sure better than nothing.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:42:22pm |
re: #388 lawhawk
Lawfare.... first Gitmo terrorists were deemed to have habeas rights. Now, terrorists and detainees in Bagram prison in Afghanistan have been deemed by a court to have habeas rights. That means detainees there have access to US courts (the DC Circuit Court).
This is asinine and throws centuries of law on its head, to say nothing of the fact that US law and US treaties (Geneva Conventions were clear on all of this).
The recent legal opinions are as good for legal precedent and the rule of law as any of the Sha'ria rulings issued by one of those poxy Koran scholars.
| 426 |
Creeping Eruption Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:42:23pm |
re: #423 midwestgak
All of the president's speeches.///////
Your wish is my command, but since we only got you a Nano . . .
| 427 |
Ward Cleaver Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:42:24pm |
re: #418 Kosh's Shadow
Ooooh, another strongly-worded letter. Maybe Kim will get a paper cut.
"Paper cut! Hans Brix!"
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:42:37pm |
re: #422 Ward Cleaver
They're taking a North Korean rocket to the UNSC? How are they going to get it through the doors? I mean, it's pretty big, isn't it?
/ducking
I'd rather take a rocket that works to the UN.
/did I just say that?
| 429 |
paradox42 Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:42:47pm |
re: #388 lawhawk
Lawfare.... first Gitmo terrorists were deemed to have habeas rights. Now, terrorists and detainees in Bagram prison in Afghanistan have been deemed by a court to have habeas rights. That means detainees there have access to US courts (the DC Circuit Court).
This is asinine and throws centuries of law on its head, to say nothing of the fact that US law and US treaties (Geneva Conventions were clear on all of this).
I believe that we should grant terrorists the same rights they would grant us.
| 431 |
albusteve Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:43:24pm |
re: #421 Killgore Trout
We just have to go back to storing them in black sites or render them to a friendly barbarian country to torture them for us. It's all for the best. The transparency of the Bush plan with Gitmo was a nice try but it just didn't work out.
out of sight, out of mind
| 432 |
eschew_obfuscation Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:43:35pm |
re: #388 lawhawk
Lawfare.... first Gitmo terrorists were deemed to have habeas rights. Now, terrorists and detainees in Bagram prison in Afghanistan have been deemed by a court to have habeas rights. That means detainees there have access to US courts (the DC Circuit Court).
This is asinine and throws centuries of law on its head, to say nothing of the fact that US law and US treaties (Geneva Conventions were clear on all of this).
Minor point here, but didn't that court confine its ruling to prisoners brought into Afghanistan from outside the country......not from the field of battle in Afghanistan?
| 433 |
ashan Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:43:42pm |
Report on
FNC - shooter was Jiverly Voong - Lihn Phat Voong, 41 - Vietnamese
| 434 |
Kenneth Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:43:43pm |
re: #420 albusteve
China is milking this for their gain. If they consider it is not in Chinese interests for NoKo to launch the missile, they will leash Kim Jong Il. On the other hand, they may want the test to go ahead just to see what the US will do. For sure the US & Chinese are talking about this. What they are saying, I have no idea.
| 435 |
Ward Cleaver Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:43:45pm |
re: #428 Kosh's Shadow
I'd rather take a rocket that works to the UN.
/did I just say that?
You mean like Doug Piranha, with a thermonuclear missile under his arm?
/monty python crap
| 436 |
Creeping Eruption Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:43:53pm |
| 437 |
brookly red Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:44:03pm |
re: #422 Ward Cleaver
They're taking a North Korean rocket to the UNSC? How are they going to get it through the doors? I mean, it's pretty big, isn't it?
/ducking
why in a Brinks truck of course...
| 438 |
godfrey Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:44:03pm |
re: #430 buzzsawmonkey
And he wrote/started everything in C major. Faster that way. Brilliant.
| 439 |
midwestgak Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:44:47pm |
re: #426 Creeping Eruption
Your wish is my command, but since we only got you a Nano . . .
heh. Good one.
| 440 |
Kosh's Shadow Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:45:00pm |
re: #435 Ward Cleaver
You mean like Doug Piranha, with a thermonuclear missile under his arm?
/monty python crap
Actually, the lad with the thermonuclear missile was the chief constable for the area.
Working for Dinsdale, though. Doug used ... sarcasm.
| 441 |
Ward Cleaver Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:45:03pm |
re: #435 Ward Cleaver
You mean like Doug Piranha, with a thermonuclear missile under his arm?
/monty python crap
Or was it Dinsdale?
| 442 |
lawhawk Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:45:04pm |
re: #400 chicagodudewhotrades
I have read that the Bambi administration actaully supported the Bush legal position on this becuase this case opens a can of worms. btw, how is your ankle?
Yeah, the Obama legal types know that this is a mess (one of the left's own creation might I add for pushing a legal theory that has no rational basis in US law, common law, or international law), and it was easy for them to do when Bush was in office, but now that they're holding the bag, they are starting to realize that this policy is asinine and would drown the courts in baseless claims that have no business belonging in US civilian courts in the first place. So, I fully expect them to drag the issue out until after they're gone from office, leaving the decision to be made by others.
As for the ankle, it's doing better. It's in an ortho-boot, so I can hobble around. No real pain to speak of, so that's a good thing. Everyone can't quite believe that I didn't feel more pain from breaking it (docs at the ER were trying to get me to commit to pain meds). Heck, a couple of advil were more than sufficient for the first couple of days.
| 443 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:45:39pm |
re: #408 J.S.
Really? (that's not what CNN has been reporting -- hmm..probably have to wait and see, etc.)
Oops! That should have been 13, 12 PLUS the shooter.
| 444 |
Ward Cleaver Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:45:41pm |
re: #440 Kosh's Shadow
Actually, the lad with the thermonuclear missile was the chief constable for the area.
Working for Dinsdale, though. Doug used ... sarcasm.
And irony.
I've seen grown men pull their own 'eads off rather than see Doug.
| 445 |
Archimedes Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:45:45pm |
| 446 |
godfrey Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:46:23pm |
re: #430 buzzsawmonkey
Hey, that's 1933. I thought you didn't like anything after 1925.
/narrows eyes
You're not one of them new-fangled Yankees, are yeh?
| 447 |
alegrias Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:46:40pm |
re: #427 Ward Cleaver
"Paper cut! Hans Brix!"
* * * *
It's preposterous that China is afraid of rolling Chinese tanks into North Korea and just taking out their embarassing little brother, for fear of the starving North Koreans going stark raving revolutionary.
China is a cowardly bully. With one PHONE CALL they could take out Lil Kim, and gain several million eager motivated hungry North Korean clients for their crappy goods.
Imagine the good will China could get by freeing North Koreans from their gulag.
| 448 |
The Other Les Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:46:41pm |
re: #409 Fluffy Bunny
I don't mind groveling as long as we don't have to kiss the ring!
Well there's groveling, and then there's groveling with style.
A band of vikings invaded part of northern France and the king decided to buy them off. Their leader would get to the the Duke of the province, hereinafter named Normandy, if they would convert to Christianity and swear fealty to him. The mass conversion was fun, but the new Duke of Normandy had to kiss the king's feet. So he picked up the king by the ankles and raised them to face level and kissed the feet.
| 449 |
jcm Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:46:42pm |
re: #413 FurryOldGuyJeans
Have any reliable statistics been put out regarding gun violence in DC since the SCOTUS shot down (pun intended) the draconian gun restrictions there?
I don't think that data is available yet.
| 450 |
VioletTiger Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:46:51pm |
re: #434 Kenneth
China is milking this for their gain. If they consider it is not in Chinese interests for NoKo to launch the missile, they will leash Kim Jong Il. On the other hand, they may want the test to go ahead just to see what the US will do. For sure the US & Chinese are talking about this. What they are saying, I have no idea.
I think you are right. The Chinese have nothing to gain by acting here. It is a good test of Obama--they just have to sit back and watch. Then the NoKos will have strongly worded letters in several languages.
| 451 |
Kosh's Shadow Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:47:09pm |
re: #441 Ward Cleaver
Or was it Dinsdale?
See re: #440 Kosh's Shadow
BTW, the Piranha brothers are based on two actual criminals, the Kray twins.
| 452 |
Ward Cleaver Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:47:20pm |
| 453 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:47:22pm |
re: #360 The Other Les
Meanwhile, inside the Beltway...
Gosh, what a surprise.
ACORN did such a bang-up job of doing just that in the 2004 Gubernatorial race here in Washington State, so why not replicate their success nationwide?
| 454 |
KenJen Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:47:39pm |
re: #434 Kenneth
China is milking this for their gain. If they consider it is not in Chinese interests for NoKo to launch the missile, they will leash Kim Jong Il. On the other hand, they may want the test to go ahead just to see what the US will do. For sure the US & Chinese are talking about this. What they are saying, I have no idea.
The US (Obamas team) is probably saying "It's our fault, we are sooo sorry. We should have never invented nukes in the first place. Please forgive us."
| 455 |
The Other Les Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:47:56pm |
| 456 |
Ward Cleaver Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:47:59pm |
re: #451 Kosh's Shadow
See re: #440 Kosh's Shadow
BTW, the Piranha brothers are based on two actual criminals, the Kray twins.
The ones they made the movie about, right?
| 457 |
Russkilitlover Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:48:00pm |
>
re: #434 Kenneth
For sure the US & Chinese are talking about this. What they are saying, I have no idea.
I can imagine the conversation:
OBAMA: Look, I'm working as fast as I can to turn the US into a socialist utopia, just like your fine country. This missile test will bring the America First people out of the woodwork and I don't need that.
HU: Gotcha, we'll get Kim to simmer down or support you in filing useless paperwork.
| 458 |
Pvt Bin Jammin Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:48:02pm |
| 459 |
Kenneth Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:48:34pm |
re: #424 subsailor68
Great link. I'd bet you're right about Obama and Lee discussing this, but not sure what Obama's position might have been. And China's "not opposed" stance is a little weak for my taste, but it's sure better than nothing.
My guess about what the Chinese statement means:
The US told the Chinese, "We have to respond to this missile test. If you insist on using your veto on the UNSC, we will have no choice but to intercept the missile."China to US: "Ok, we'll let you bring it to the UNSC, so long as you don't intercept."
These statements are more about aligning the positions of all the other interested parties, (US, China, South Korea, Japan, Russia & Taiwan) than they are about deterring the NoKos.
| 460 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:48:40pm |
re: #449 jcm
I don't think that data is available yet.
You know as well as I do if there had been even a SLIGHT uptick it would already be 24/7 showing how right all the gun grabbers were all along.
| 461 |
Kosh's Shadow Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:49:31pm |
re: #456 Ward Cleaver
The ones they made the movie about, right?
I haven't seen a movie on them, just the Ethel the Frog on British violence.
"They lived on a typical East End street. People were in and out of each others' houses with each others' property all day long."
| 462 |
Fluffy Bunny Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:49:32pm |
re: #448 The Other Les
Sorry Queen Gak, I draw the line at feet kissing. Blech!
| 463 |
lawhawk Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:49:42pm |
re: #432 eschew_obfuscation
Good point. The full decision is here.
The court applied the Boumediene standards to detainees held in Afghanistan. They note that many of those held in Bagram were captured outside Afghanistan and held in Bagram, but IMO, that opens the can of worms to extend to all prisoners held in Bagram.
What this essentially means is that terrorists captured outside the US are going to get habeas rights, regardless of existing law pre-Boumediene, which IMO was a clear misreading of US and international law.
| 464 |
The Other Les Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:49:55pm |
| 465 |
Creeping Eruption Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:49:56pm |
re: #461 Kosh's Shadow
I haven't seen a movie on them, just the Ethel the Frog on British violence.
"They lived on a typical East End street. People were in and out of each others' houses with each others' property all day long."
Not surprisingly, it is called, "The Krays."
| 466 |
Ward Cleaver Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:50:14pm |
re: #451 Kosh's Shadow
See re: #440 Kosh's Shadow
BTW, the Piranha brothers are based on two actual criminals, the Kray twins.
So that's where they got the name, Harry "Snapper" Organs from?
They were eventually arrested on May 9, 1968 and convicted in 1969 by the efforts of a dedicated squad of detectives led by Detective Superintendent Leonard ("Nipper") Read, and were both sentenced to life imprisonment.
| 467 |
Ward Cleaver Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:50:48pm |
| 468 |
albusteve Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:50:50pm |
re: #449 jcm
I don't think that data is available yet.
why not?...police records, in a couple of hours someone could gin up some kind of bullshit
| 469 |
jcm Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:50:59pm |
OT ----
One seriously pissed UW (University of Washington, Seattle) Alumi here.
Reserve soldier sues UW, alleges discrimination
Employed by UW as an electrician since 1992, Army Reserve Lt. Col. James Lukehart had risen in the ranks of the university's facilities department and was working as a maintenance manager when he was ordered to deploy to Iraq in June 2006.Before he went overseas, a group of his coworkers had told him he would be "engaging in immoral, if not illegal, action" if he went to Iraq as ordered, Lukehart asserts in court documents. Still, the reservist went to war less than three weeks after receiving notice that he'd be deployed.
According to military news reports, Lukehart served as an executive officer in an engineering brigade stationed at Ballad Air Base, 70 miles north of Baghdad. Among Lukehart's duties while deployed, according to an August 2007 edition of the Camp Anaconda Times, was the construction of a water-treatment plant in rural Iraq.
Hoping to return to work in September 2007, Lukehart found that his manager had launched an investigation into allegations of misconduct made against him while serving overseas, according to court papers.
| 470 |
godfrey Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:51:09pm |
re: #459 Kenneth
China could quash Lil Kim like a bug, and the world would just shrug. Who is going to boycott China? The volume of exports/imports and lending is just astronomical.
| 471 |
jcm Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:51:39pm |
re: #468 albusteve
why not?...police records, in a couple of hours someone could gin up some kind of bullshit
2008 data at FBI is still preliminary, only the gross numbers are available.
| 472 |
Kenneth Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:51:40pm |
re: #447 alegrias
China wants the NoKo regime to morph into a smaller version of the China. They can then use it as a cheap labor pool for the stuff that is getting too expensive for Chinese factories to make. The Chinese are afraid of a rapid collapse of the NoKo regime resulting in chaos and millions of refugees streaming across their border.
| 473 |
Ward Cleaver Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:51:40pm |
re: #461 Kosh's Shadow
I haven't seen a movie on them, just the Ethel the Frog on British violence.
"They lived on a typical East End street. People were in and out of each others' houses with each others' property all day long."
"Tonight, on Ethel the Frog"
| 474 |
BatGuano Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:52:04pm |
I first saw this last night on some channel. A pickpocket targets a 72 year old man in a convenience store. He didn't know his "victim" was a Marine. He didn't know he was a Golden Gloves boxer.He found out later.
| 476 |
midwestgak Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:52:43pm |
re: #462 Fluffy Bunny
Sorry Queen Gak, I draw the line at feet kissing. Blech!
Royal hand waives over subject's head. You are pardoned. My feet require no kissing. Thank you for your respect./
| 477 |
Kosh's Shadow Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:52:55pm |
re: #465 Creeping Eruption
Not surprisingly, it is called, "The Krays."
I'll look for it. Does it have a giant hedgehog named Spiny Norman?
| 478 |
Ward Cleaver Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:53:03pm |
re: #469 jcm
OT ----
One seriously pissed UW (University of Washington, Seattle) Alumi here.
I hope he wins his case.
| 479 |
jcm Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:53:28pm |
re: #476 midwestgak
Royal hand waives over subject's head. You are pardoned. My feet require no kissing. Thank you for your respect./
Queen Gak the Merciful!
| 480 |
Ward Cleaver Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:53:33pm |
re: #477 Kosh's Shadow
I'll look for it. Does it have a giant hedgehog named Spiny Norman?
Sometimes, he could be up to 300 feet long.
| 481 |
subsailor68 Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:53:38pm |
| 482 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:53:53pm |
re: #469 jcm
OT ----
One seriously pissed UW (University of Washington, Seattle) Alumi here.
I am not one whit surprised. Disgusted to the core, but not surprised such pettiness and vindictiveness would rule the day at the UofW.
| 484 |
Creeping Eruption Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:54:12pm |
re: #474 BatGuano
I first saw this last night on some channel. A pickpocket targets a 72 year old man in a convenience store. He didn't know his "victim" was a Marine. He didn't know he was a Golden Gloves boxer.He found out later.
Great! The old guy got in about 5 rights before the pickpocket knew what was going on
| 485 |
Ward Cleaver Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:54:21pm |
re: #474 BatGuano
I first saw this last night on some channel. A pickpocket targets a 72 year old man in a convenience store. He didn't know his "victim" was a Marine. He didn't know he was a Golden Gloves boxer.He found out later.
[Video]
I seem to remember that case. The perp got his ass kicked, right?
| 486 |
albusteve Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:54:23pm |
re: #474 BatGuano
I first saw this last night on some channel. A pickpocket targets a 72 year old man in a convenience store. He didn't know his "victim" was a Marine. He didn't know he was a Golden Gloves boxer.He found out later.
[Video]
two nice rights...shoulda knocked his feet from underneath him tho...get him down and hammer him some more....Iron Fist taught me that
| 487 |
Kosh's Shadow Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:54:34pm |
re: #474 BatGuano
I first saw this last night on some channel. A pickpocket targets a 72 year old man in a convenience store. He didn't know his "victim" was a Marine. He didn't know he was a Golden Gloves boxer.He found out later.
[Video]
There was a story about a retired admiral, Yogi Kauffman(?) who was in his 70's or 80's and walking to the mailbox. Three punks tried to mug him.
He took care of them.
| 488 |
Kenneth Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:54:51pm |
re: #457 Russkilitlover
Oh man, that was good. Actually, it occurs to me the Obama admin probably wants to work with the Chinese on the gentle regime shift, so the NoKo's can make the really, really cheap crap the Chinese used to do.
By the way, when he met the South Korean PM Lee yesterday, Obama endorsed a Free Trade Agreement with South Korea.
| 489 |
Killian Bundy Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:55:20pm |
C'mon DJIA, 8000, you can do it!
/needs 20 more points with five minutes to go
| 490 |
jcm Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:55:24pm |
re: #478 Ward Cleaver
I hope he wins his case.
His *bleep* manager should be fired, and stripped of his pension. We're does a manager at a University get off investigation an employee's conduct will deployed?
| 491 |
Creeping Eruption Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:55:48pm |
Have a happy and healthy weekend Lizards. I hear happy hour calling my name.
| 492 |
Kenneth Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:56:00pm |
re: #474 BatGuano
Sweet. Not a good day for that thief. Semper Fi!
| 493 |
MandyManners Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:56:23pm |
re: #469 jcm
OT ----
One seriously pissed UW (University of Washington, Seattle) Alumi here.
UDub can fuck off and die before it gets another dime out of me.
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Russkilitlover Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:56:42pm |
re: #474 BatGuano
Wow! Was that a knee to the groin as a first move? Nice. Pickpocket had no chance.
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midwestgak Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:56:56pm |
re: #479 jcm
Queen Gak the Merciful!
You will no more be called jcm. You are now Sir jcm. Sword waived over subject's knelt body.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:56:58pm |
re: #490 jcm
His *bleep* manager should be fired, and stripped of his pension. We're does a manager at a University get off investigation an employee's conduct will deployed?
The famous "tolerance" of Liberals to opposing viewpoints rears its ugly head again.
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rawmuse Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:57:05pm |
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J.S. Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:57:33pm |
re: #463 lawhawk
On a different note -- there was a Canadian/Syrian (held duel citizenship), and who was on a world "trip", on the way back to Canada, the plane landed in New York; the American authorities were suspicious about his "friends"; eventually they flew him back to Syria. Next thing he's claiming he was tortured. Eventually he's able to get a "settlement" from Canadian courts in excess of 10 million dollars. I am still incredulous (but maybe this is how Canadian "laws" operate) -- from what I could discover the authorities were never able to ascertain whether or not the allegations of "torture" were true or false (and how can such things be verified? especially when dealing with Syrians? just an utter travesty...) And now there are others who are alleging, "I was tortured!"
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:57:40pm |
re: #469 jcm
OT ----
One seriously pissed UW (University of Washington, Seattle) Alumi here.
Hey what ever happened in that case where the guy set himself on fire in Red Square at UW? Did they ever figure out why he did it?
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Sharmuta Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:57:53pm |
Fannie, Freddie worker bonuses total $210M
"It's hard to see any common sense in management decisions that award hundreds of millions in bonuses when their organizations lost more than $100 billion in a year," Grassley said in a statement. "It's an insult that the bonuses were made with an infusion of cash from taxpayers."
Will there be outrage? 90% retroactive tax rate?
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rawmuse Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:58:03pm |
re: #474 BatGuano
I love a story with a happy ending! [puddles up...]
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Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:58:05pm |
Interesting PR war going on....
Obama threatens bankers: I’m the only thing standing between you and the pitchforks
The bankers leaked their version of the meeting with Obama. They got hurt because he was mean to them. This will get some play on the right but it isn't going to help their public image much. The fact is that they have been very successful in getting politicians to pass laws on their behalf for the past 20 years (probably longer) but they screwed up and they're going to have to live with more oversight and regulations for a while. They'll figure a was around it and eventually get the laws and regulations repealed but the fact that they are complaining is a good sign.
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DaddyG Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:58:25pm |
Time to go home and take care of my bride. She slipped off of the van step Tuesday and now has two matching pink fiberglass casts - one for each ankle.
She's in pretty good spirits all things considered but I worry about what she will do in another week after not being able drive or leave the house without help and looking forward to months more of the same.
I can definately attest to the blessing of older children. They have been great through all of this.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:58:32pm |
re: #489 Killian Bundy
C'mon DJIA, 8000, you can do it!
/needs 20 more points with five minutes to go
Got it!
/hang on for another two minutes!
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HugoChavez Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:58:47pm |
Charles,
You may find this interesting:
Palestinian Authority expels founder of Jenin youth orchestra over concert for Holocaust survivors
Sincerely,
Obama's "Comrade"
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Gus Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:59:00pm |
Jiverly Voongre: #498 rawmuse
Weirod. Sounds Dutch.
Probably a phonetic spelling at this point.
Jiverly Voong...
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Lincolntf Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:59:18pm |
Just turned on the radio to avoid watching the massacre coverage on TV. They immediately interrupted the program to warn that "2, possibly 3, trailer trucks"... had collided on the bridge leading out of the area, backups are already miles long.
All news is bad news.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:59:22pm |
re: #501 Sharmuta
Fannie, Freddie worker bonuses total $210M
Will there be outrage? 90% retroactive tax rate?
This will be hand waved into insignificance since Fannie and Freddie are GOVERNMENT institutions.
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Kenneth Fri, Apr 3, 2009 12:59:27pm |
re: #470 godfrey
The Chinese could, but they don't want to. If war breaks out, two things are certain:
1. The North Koreans loose
2. Millions (North & South, Chinese, Japanese & US) get killed in the process.
Time is not on NoKo's side. Death by slow strangulation is preferable than a last ditch attempt at war.
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Sharmuta Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:00:05pm |
re: #511 FurryOldGuyJeans
This will be hand waved into insignificance since Fannie and Freddie are GOVERNMENT institutions.
When is the bus tour to their homes?
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Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:00:07pm |
re: #501 Sharmuta
I haven't been following the progress of that bonus tax bill. I haven't read it so I don't know it they would get an exemption from it. Maybe that's why the Dems started baking off on the bonus thing.
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Unakite Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:00:09pm |
re: #489 Killian Bundy
C'mon DJIA, 8000, you can do it!
/needs 20 more points with five minutes to go
Up or down? :)
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Pvt Bin Jammin Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:00:20pm |
re: #509 Gus 802
Jiverly Voong
Probably a phonetic spelling at this point.Jiverly Voong...
If you google "Voong" it says it's a Vietnamese surname.
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Sharmuta Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:00:21pm |
re: #513 Lincolntf
See- we were on the same wave length there.
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zombie Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:00:24pm |
re: #414 buzzsawmonkey
There are always difficulties writing vers d'occasion, particularly when it's for a fast-moving thread.
I find that if I can't get something cranked out by about post #150-175, it either gets buried or it gets posted just about when everybody jumps to the next thread. The challenge is rarely the piece itself so much as getting it done "in time." Exceptions, of course, for inspirations which just happen to hit farther down on a thread.
Anyway, there's usually at least one dodgy bit of scansion or slightly questionable rhyme when working under those constraints, but it is the restrictions which create the challenge.
Most definitely. I try to get topical comments in by comment #100, otherwise it's the law of diminishing returns. My best comment today (content-wise, not humor-wise) was #181 on the previous thread, and as a result of being slow off the mark, it had a much lesser impact.
Timing is everything.
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rawmuse Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:00:25pm |
re: #505 Killgore Trout
A not-so-well-kept secret is that a lot of financial types are Democrats.
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The Other Les Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:00:39pm |
re: #508 HugoChavez
Charles,
You may find this interesting:Palestinian Authority expels founder of Jenin youth orchestra over concert for Holocaust survivors
Sincerely,
Obama's "Comrade"
Let's give them a state!
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:01:00pm |
re: #510 Lincolntf
Just turned on the radio to avoid watching the massacre coverage on TV. They immediately interrupted the program to warn that "2, possibly 3, trailer trucks"... had collided on the bridge leading out of the area, backups are already miles long.
All news is bad news.
When it comes to the FMSM only bad news is reported. Good news is ignored, unless it was a slow news day.
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Sharmuta Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:01:14pm |
re: #515 Killgore Trout
I haven't been following the progress of that bonus tax bill. I haven't read it so I don't know it they would get an exemption from it. Maybe that's why the Dems started baking off on the bonus thing.
They backed off because the execs offered to return the money after getting their arms twisted by Andrew Cuomo.
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:01:23pm |
Time to go to a meeting and find out how late our new product is and what they're doing about it
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tradewind Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:01:25pm |
re: #376 subsailor68
One thing.... NK rattles something every time they start feeling ignored, and the rest of the world jumps. Not saying that they may not be crying wolf this time or one of these days, but they have a history of and reputation for being petulant chain yankers.
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KenJen Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:01:49pm |
re: #505 Killgore Trout
Interesting PR war going on....
Obama threatens bankers: I’m the only thing standing between you and the pitchforksThe bankers leaked their version of the meeting with Obama. They got hurt because he was mean to them. This will get some play on the right but it isn't going to help their public image much. The fact is that they have been very successful in getting politicians to pass laws on their behalf for the past 20 years (probably longer) but they screwed up and they're going to have to live with more oversight and regulations for a while. They'll figure a was around it and eventually get the laws and regulations repealed but the fact that they are complaining is a good sign.
Any sentence that begins with Obama threatens really does not scare me that much.
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DaddyG Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:01:50pm |
re: #493 MandyManners
UDub can fuck off and die before it gets another dime out of me.
All of you UW alums should write the http://www.washington.edu/president/ and tell him as much. That will get their attention faster than anything else.
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Gus Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:01:51pm |
re: #517 Pvt Bin Jammin
If you google "Voong" it says it's a Vietnamese surname.
Yep.
Gunman reportedly among the dead in NY shooting
BINGHAMTON, N.Y. - Officials say a gunman opened fire at an immigration services center in downtown Binghamton, N.Y., today, killing as many as 13 people before authorities found him dead.
ABC News is identifying the gunman as Jiverly Voong, also known as Linh Phat Voong. Law enforcement officials say Voong, 41, is from Johnson City, New York.
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VioletTiger Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:02:02pm |
re: #501 Sharmuta
Fannie, Freddie worker bonuses total $210M
Will there be outrage? 90% retroactive tax rate?
I'm betting on the sounds of crickets......
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Killian Bundy Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:02:27pm |
re: #516 Unakite
Up or down? :)
Close at 8017 +39
/up volume surged at the close, a very good end to another up week
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Kenneth Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:03:13pm |
re: #499 J.S.
Maher Arar. He has the scars to back his claims of torture. That and the fact that torture is what the Syrians do to everybody in their jails. Who was the idiot who figured the Syrians were our allies in the war on terror? Some idiot at the CIA or the US State Dept, is my guess. Total screw up.
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alegrias Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:03:14pm |
re: #472 Kenneth
China wants the NoKo regime to morph into a smaller version of the China. They can then use it as a cheap labor pool for the stuff that is getting too expensive for Chinese factories to make. The Chinese are afraid of a rapid collapse of the NoKo regime resulting in chaos and millions of refugees streaming across their border.
* * * *
Welcome to our world, Hung Ju Tsao. The giant sucking sound NORTH would be cheap, eager, hungry labor. And eventually consumers of goods. NAFTA & CAFTA ought to work for China like it did for us.
Sorry, China is a cowardly bully.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:03:35pm |
re: #530 VioletTiger
I'm betting on the sounds of crickets......
This will be ignored quicker than the crickets can assemble.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:03:36pm |
re: #520 rawmuse
The Republicans have been very friendly to them too. The banking industry has a very well funded lobby effort and they've been getting a lot of bipartisan support to write their own laws.
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zombie Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:04:23pm |
re: #531 Killian Bundy
Close at 8017 +39
/up volume surged at the close, a very good end to another up week
Prices were so low, everyone began snapping up bargains.
I met a friend who's a stock advisors about three weeks ago, and he was veritably ecstatic. He had never seen such a good time to buy stocks in his whole life.
An upswing was inevitable.
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jcm Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:04:23pm |
re: #500 Ward Cleaver
Hey what ever happened in that case where the guy set himself on fire in Red Square at UW? Did they ever figure out why he did it?
Former custodian ID'd as man who set himself on fire at UW last week
The King County Medical Examiner's Office has released the name of a man who died Thursday after setting himself on fire in the University of Washington's Red Square.In Soo Chun, 61, a former UW custodian, died at Harborview Medical Center from second- and third-degree burns over 90 percent of his body.
According to UW spokesman Norm Arkans, Chun had worked for the UW's Facilities Services from December 2005 to early summer of this year. He immigrated to the U.S. from Korea in 1977 and became a naturalized citizen in 1982.
After several "confrontational, but not necessarily physical" altercations with co-workers in June, Chun was reassigned from his usual work site in Padelford Hall.
Soon after those incidents, which Arkans said made Chun's co-workers "uncomfortable," Chun requested and was granted several weeks' vacation, after which he did not return to work.
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alegrias Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:04:26pm |
re: #506 DaddyG
* * * *
Ouch, hope she gets well soon with your good care & that of your kids.
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OldLineTexan Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:04:30pm |
re: #524 Sharmuta
They backed off because the execs offered to return the money after getting their arms twisted by Andrew Cuomo.
Formerly chief HUD goon under Bill Clinton. Very versed in using the (legal or illegal) weight of the FedGov to accomplish his owner's bidding.
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VioletTiger Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:05:02pm |
re: #534 FurryOldGuyJeans
This will be ignored quicker than the crickets can assemble.
And here I thought the crickets were qwick ;)
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OldLineTexan Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:05:11pm |
re: #525 Kosh's Shadow
Time to go to a meeting and find out how late our new product is and what they're doing about it
HA! We must be coworkers!
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alegrias Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:05:38pm |
re: #532 Kenneth
Maher Arar. He has the scars to back his claims of torture. That and the fact that torture is what the Syrians do to everybody in their jails. Who was the idiot who figured the Syrians were our allies in the war on terror? Some idiot at the CIA or the US State Dept, is my guess. Total screw up.
* * * *
John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi and Ben Nelson all met with Syria's dear leader Bashir Al Assad and loved him--how could they stab us in the back?
| 543 |
OldLineTexan Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:05:42pm |
re: #540 VioletTiger
And here I thought the crickets were qwick ;)
Those are quickets.
Our new budget doesn't allow for them.
/
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Kenneth Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:06:00pm |
re: #533 alegrias
You missed the point: the Chinese gov't want to do this. Chinese banks will invest in NoKo and build factories up there.
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tradewind Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:06:09pm |
re: #510 Lincolntf
That's why an Ipod uploaded with a slew of podcasts pertaining to your favorite subjects/hobbies/topics that updates automatically is such a great thing. I hardly ever listen to a radio channel in my car anymore.
| 546 |
DaddyG Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:06:41pm |
re: #519 zombie
Most definitely. I try to get topical comments in by comment #100, otherwise it's the law of diminishing returns. My best comment today (content-wise, not humor-wise) was #181 on the previous thread, and as a result of being slow off the mark, it had a much lesser impact.
Timing is everything.
A rhyme on time is deft and sublime.
A post when most have passed is gross.
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rawmuse Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:06:43pm |
re: #535 Killgore Trout
In general, the Democrat party (despite common perception) has, demographically speaking become the "Party of the Rich". The Republicans tend to be more working class, blue collar types. That shift has been for the last 10 years or so.
| 548 |
Lincolntf Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:06:44pm |
re: #536 zombie
Dollar Cost Averaging, baby! I'm hoping for a big (well, not really BIG) uptick in the old IRA next quarter.
| 550 |
DaddyG Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:08:22pm |
re: #526 tradewind
One thing.... NK rattles something every time they start feeling ignored, and the rest of the world jumps. Not saying that they may not be crying wolf this time or one of these days, but they have a history of and reputation for being petulant chain yankers.
So Ronrey
| 551 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:08:23pm |
re: #524 Sharmuta
It occurs to me that this really goes against the popular theory that Obama want's to nationalize the economy. He's making it very uncomfortable for private businesses to accept government money. The banks are clamouring to get out of TARP and GM is now seriously looking at bankruptcy instead of bailouts with public funds. I don't see this as a bad thing. I'd be more worried if they were loving the deals Obama is offering and lining up for more. The more they complain the better this is.
Maybe we could make them wear funny hats too, just for a laugh.
| 552 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:08:40pm |
re: #469 jcm
OT ----
One seriously pissed UW (University of Washington, Seattle) Alumi here.
What's even more Stalinist about this whole affair is this:
Through his attorney, Sidney Strong, Lukehart alleges that the university gave him no notice that he was under investigation. Confronted by Lukehart, the university even declined to say what the allegations had been made.
The university "refused to provide him with any statement of the charges made against him, instead insisting that (Lukehart) had no need to know either the allegations made against him or the source of those allegations," Strong said in court documents filed earlier this month in King County Superior Court.
What part of the 6th Amendment does the UofW think doesn't apply in this instance?
And am I reading correctly that at least in part the allegations of misconduct are what he did while in Iraq?
| 553 |
alegrias Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:09:03pm |
re: #544 Kenneth
You missed the point: the Chinese gov't want to do this. Chinese banks will invest in NoKo and build factories up there.
* * * *
Faster, faster then.
China can invade North Korea and do some nationbuilding anytime with my blessings. Let them bankrupt themselves fixing North Korea for a change as we have done all over the world and Germany did post 1989, recovering from brutal totalitarian regimes.
| 554 |
Dianna Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:09:16pm |
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Pvt Bin Jammin Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:09:51pm |
Didn't want to post the twitter link but we can all observe a moment of silence for the Binghamton victims by going to the UFW's Cesar Chavez march.
"be part of a moment of silence 4 the tragic Binghamton Immigration center shooting deaths at the UFW's Cesar Chavez LA Walk & Delano march."
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:10:07pm |
re: #540 VioletTiger
And here I thought the crickets were qwick ;)
Crickets are quick, just that ignoring the double standards of our elected employees is quicker.
| 559 |
DaddyG Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:10:36pm |
re: #549 buzzsawmonkey
I'd have gone for "dross," but upding anyway.
My loss alas for missing dross
that would have made my dull rhyme chime!
| 560 |
zombie Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:11:20pm |
re: #549 buzzsawmonkey
I'd have gone for "dross," but upding anyway.
A comment late on the thread is chaff
where there's no one left in the room to laugh.
| 561 |
jcm Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:11:20pm |
re: #552 FurryOldGuyJeans
What part of the 6th Amendment does the UofW think doesn't apply in this instance?
And am I reading correctly that at least in part the allegations of misconduct are what he did while in Iraq?
Yep, that's what I read. His conduct while on leave from the UW while under Orders as an activated National Guard.
| 562 |
Kenneth Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:11:29pm |
re: #542 alegrias
Arar's rendition
On September 26, 2002, during a stopover in New York City en route from a family vacation in Tunisia to Montreal, Arar was detained by the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service. The INS was acting upon information supplied by the RCMP.[18] When it became clear he was going to be deported, Arar requested he be deported to Canada; though he had not visited Syria since his move to Canada, he retained Syrian citizenship as Syria does not permit the renunciation of citizenship. Canadian (initially) and American officials have labelled his transfer to Syria as a deportation, but critics have called the removal an example of rendition for torture by proxy, as Syria's government is infamous for its torture of detainees. Despite the recent public rhetoric, at the time of Arar's deportation, Syria was working closely with the United States on the War on Terror. In November 2003, Cofer Black, then counterterrorism coordinator at the State Department and former director of counterterrorism at the CIA, was quoted as saying "The Syrian government has provided some very useful assistance on al Qaeda in the past." [19] In September 2002, the Bush Administration opposed the enactment of the "Syria Accountability Act" citing effectiveness of current sanctions and the ongoing diplomacy in the region. In addition, the administration noted the cooperation and support by Syria in fighting al-Qaida as a reason for its opposition to the "Syria Accountability Act".[20]
During the "war on terror" Black played a "leading role in many of the [CIA]'s more controversial programs, including the rendition and interrogation of al-Qaeda suspects and the detention of some of them in secret prisons [outside the USA]."[19]
Was Cofer Black the idiot?
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Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:11:36pm |
re: #554 Dianna
It would be good for the morale of the country. Might even stimulate the economy. I know it would life my spirits to know that as they're lounging by their private pools they're pissed off about the stupid hat law.
| 565 |
OldLineTexan Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:11:54pm |
re: #551 Killgore Trout
It occurs to me that this really goes against the popular theory that Obama want's to nationalize the economy. He's making it very uncomfortable for private businesses to accept government money. The banks are clamouring to get out of TARP and GM is now seriously looking at bankruptcy instead of bailouts with public funds. I don't see this as a bad thing. I'd be more worried if they were loving the deals Obama is offering and lining up for more. The more they complain the better this is.
Maybe we could make them wear funny hats too, just for a laugh.
Panties on their heads.
Or has that been overdone?
/
| 566 |
Ward Cleaver Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:11:54pm |
re: #561 jcm
Yep, that's what I read. His conduct while on leave from the UW while under Orders as an activated National Guard.
I hope he takes them to the cleaners. Bastards.
| 567 |
DaddyG Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:12:37pm |
re: #560 zombie
A comment late on the thread is chaff
where there's no one left in the room to laugh.
That is a good one, I suppose
there's no improving on your prose.
| 568 |
Kosh's Shadow Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:12:37pm |
re: #519 zombie
Most definitely. I try to get topical comments in by comment #100, otherwise it's the law of diminishing returns. My best comment today (content-wise, not humor-wise) was #181 on the previous thread, and as a result of being slow off the mark, it had a much lesser impact.
Timing is everything.
Yes, I finally was inspired to write my "Money for Nothing" parody, but by the time I was done, the thread was almost dead.
I'll repost it in a live thread later.
| 569 |
Sharmuta Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:12:52pm |
re: #551 Killgore Trout
It occurs to me that this really goes against the popular theory that Obama want's to nationalize the economy. He's making it very uncomfortable for private businesses to accept government money. The banks are clamouring to get out of TARP and GM is now seriously looking at bankruptcy instead of bailouts with public funds. I don't see this as a bad thing. I'd be more worried if they were loving the deals Obama is offering and lining up for more. The more they complain the better this is.
Maybe we could make them wear funny hats too, just for a laugh.
Well- I'm not sure if it speaks to the theory of 0bama's desire to nationalize the economy or not, just that private business doesn't like the fine print. Whether that's intentionally because 0bama doesn't want them to take the money is, I think, not the point. But I do agree- it's good that business is backing away.
What type of funny hat? I say 'Cat in the Hat' hats.
| 571 |
CyanSnowHawk Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:13:45pm |
| 572 |
OldLineTexan Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:14:05pm |
re: #569 Sharmuta
What type of funny hat? I say 'Cat in the Hat' hats.
Those are easy to find, so not a bad suggestion.
| 573 |
jcm Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:14:08pm |
re: #566 Ward Cleaver
I hope he takes them to the cleaners. Bastards.
As typical in WA State, the taxpayers get to pay again. Child welfare just got hammered again, this time for $6 million for not supervising, they had a open case, a kid that was damn near starved to death by his parents.
| 574 |
Lincolntf Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:14:34pm |
re: #563 Killgore Trout
Mocking and humiliating those "evil bankers" is an old and hackneyed way to divert attention from the evils of the Government. I'm not surprised to learn that you're a big fan.
| 575 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:14:43pm |
re: #561 jcm
Yep, that's what I read. His conduct while on leave from the UW while under Orders as an activated National Guard.
This gets more and more Stalinist the more I read the article. "Can't happen here" is such a crock of shit.
| 578 |
DaddyG Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:15:56pm |
re: #568 Kosh's Shadow
Yes, I finally was inspired to write my "Money for Nothing" parody, but by the time I was done, the thread was almost dead.
I'll repost it in a live thread later.
I have written one or two and left them on the hard drive in case the topic came up. It's kind of hard to predict what Charles will key in on from the days news. It's also kind of hard to be available to post on new threads when one has a day job.
| 579 |
OldLineTexan Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:16:06pm |
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LGoPs Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:16:18pm |
re: #388 lawhawk
Lawfare.... first Gitmo terrorists were deemed to have habeas rights. Now, terrorists and detainees in Bagram prison in Afghanistan have been deemed by a court to have habeas rights. That means detainees there have access to US courts (the DC Circuit Court).
This is asinine and throws centuries of law on its head, to say nothing of the fact that US law and US treaties (Geneva Conventions were clear on all of this).
Based on this type of reasoning we don't dare fight anybody ever again, not because we might lose, but because we can't afford to win and assume the legal burden of all the prisoners we might take.
/
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VioletTiger Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:16:42pm |
re: #569 Sharmuta
What type of funny hat? I say 'Cat in the Hat' hats.
Duncecaps?
Or maybe we need a Ministry of Silly Hats.
| 582 |
zombie Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:17:08pm |
re: #570 zombiewhere = when
re: #571 CyanSnowHawk
That's the root equation for time travel that is.
Einstein -- step aside! There's a new Big Dog in town.
E=MC2 -- talk about inelegant!
"where = when" -- now that is parsimony.
| 583 |
Gus Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:17:18pm |
Voong, 41, also known as Linh Phat Voong, was from Johnson City, N.Y. He burst into the civic center wearing a bright green nylon jacket and dark-rimmed glasses. Voong's body was found on first the floor with a hunting knife jammed into the waistband of his pants."He shot those people? No. No," said a women who identified herself as Voong's sister, but would not give her name when reached by ABC News.com.
She said her brother went to take classes today at the civic association and that she had not heard from him since. She said she did not know that he was involved in the shooting.
"I'm going to pass out" she said and hung up the phone.
Officials said Voong backed his car up to the rear door of the building to block any escape before he went to the front of the building and started to execute people.
[Link: www.13wham.com...]
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OldLineTexan Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:17:37pm |
re: #581 VioletTiger
What type of funny hat? I say 'Cat in the Hat' hats.
Duncecaps?
Or maybe we need a Ministry of Silly Hats.
OMG, you said "Ministry". Somewhere, a Democrat staffer and a Republican lobbyist just got a gleam in their eyes.
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KenJen Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:17:40pm |
re: #555 buzzsawmonkey
It should. There is nothing as rotten as the revenge of a weak man.
Yeah. You're right.
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pink freud Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:17:44pm |
Obama Loses Place on Teleprompter
20 second video from Townhall, from this morning
What a total dufus.
| 587 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:18:05pm |
re: #565 OldLineTexan
Panties on their heads.
Or has that been overdone?
/
That's a classic. Never goes out of style.
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RedHouseBlueState Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:18:14pm |
What a mind blowing day. I live about 2 miles from the Civic Association center. Killer comes from the town I live in Johnson City. Could live just a few blocks from my house. My daughter spent the afternoon locked down at her high school, about 1/2 mile from the building.
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:18:17pm |
re: #575 FurryOldGuyJeans
This gets more and more Stalinist the more I read the article. "Can't happen here" is such a crock of shit.
Yes. Places that mistreat soldiers like this should lose all government contracts.
And colleges should lose all federal research and other grants.
| 590 |
Sharmuta Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:18:55pm |
re: #581 VioletTiger
What type of funny hat? I say 'Cat in the Hat' hats.
Duncecaps?
Or maybe we need a Ministry of Silly Hats.
We could borrow the box of hats from the set of 'Whose Line Is It Anyway?'
| 591 |
joncelli Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:19:25pm |
re: #583 Gus 802
Teacher was going to fail him or girl in his class spurned his advances.
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Kenneth Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:19:28pm |
re: #582 zombie
Einstein -- step aside! There's a new Big Dog in town.
E=MC2 -- talk about inelegant!
"where = when" -- now that is parsimony.
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, you can know where or when but not both.
| 593 |
Kosh's Shadow Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:19:32pm |
re: #578 DaddyG
I have written one or two and left them on the hard drive in case the topic came up. It's kind of hard to predict what Charles will key in on from the days news. It's also kind of hard to be available to post on new threads when one has a day job.
Yes, and if I write them in advance, I need to take them on a thumb drive. This one came to me today, and I'd go work on it while programs were compiling, so it took a while.
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DaddyG Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:19:37pm |
re: #586 pink freud
Obama Loses Place on Teleprompter
20 second video from Townhall, from this morning
What a total dufus.
Let's just drop the charade and let Soros walk around with his hand up Obamas puppet hole full time. Man this is embarassing and scary!
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:20:08pm |
re: #583 Gus 802
Officials said Voong backed his car up to the rear door of the building to block any escape before he went to the front of the building and started to execute people.
"Execute" is what is done to someone who has been convicted of a capital crime. What Voong did was murder people.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:20:26pm |
re: #581 VioletTiger
What type of funny hat? I say 'Cat in the Hat' hats.
Duncecaps?
Or maybe we need a Ministry of Silly Hats.
A Confederacy of Dunce Hats
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Gus Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:20:27pm |
re: #591 joncelli
Teacher was going to fail him or girl in his class spurned his advances.
Yeah, there's no telling. The police was working on getting a "warrant" to search his place.
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Kenneth Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:20:28pm |
re: #588 RedHouseBlueState
Dear G-d! I hope you & your family are felleing better soon. Must be nerve racking.
(Pouring you a tall drink)
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DaddyG Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:20:43pm |
re: #593 Kosh's Shadow
Yes, and if I write them in advance, I need to take them on a thumb drive. This one came to me today, and I'd go work on it while programs were compiling, so it took a while.
I haven't saved my old ones. Perhaps we should search the archives and create the LGF songbook?
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zombie Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:20:57pm |
re: #517 Pvt Bin Jammin
If you google "Voong" it says it's a Vietnamese surname.
Definitely Vietnamese. I've known some Voongs.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:21:10pm |
re: #574 Lincolntf
I would love it if there was a public witch hunt to track down and remove every politician responsible for this crisis too. Nobody's interested in that plan. Everybody's too busy trying to make partisan political progress instead of fixing the problem and finding solutions.
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Sharmuta Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:22:15pm |
re: #601 Killgore Trout
I would love it if there was a public witch hunt to track down and remove every politician responsible for this crisis too. Nobody's interested in that plan. Everybody's too busy trying to make partisan political progress instead of fixing the problem and finding solutions.
We could just agree to vote them all out. All of them.
| 604 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:22:18pm |
re: #590 Sharmuta
Those would work nice.
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LGoPs Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:22:25pm |
re: #469 jcm
OT ----
One seriously pissed UW (University of Washington, Seattle) Alumi here.
Through his attorney, Sidney Strong, Lukehart alleges that the university gave him no notice that he was under investigation. Confronted by Lukehart, the university even declined to say what the allegations had been made.
The university "refused to provide him with any statement of the charges made against him, instead insisting that (Lukehart) had no need to know either the allegations made against him or the source of those allegations," Strong said in court documents filed earlier this month in King County Superior Court.
Wonder if any of these university fuckers ever heard of Koestler's Darkness at Noon. This is positively Kafkaesque........
| 606 |
DaddyG Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:22:43pm |
Time to catch the bus. Have a great weekend Lizards if I don't get to the PC. Keep up the good blog!
Prayers of comfort and good vibes (pick your spiritual channel) to the victims of todays horrible crime and others who need support!
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OldLineTexan Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:23:06pm |
re: #606 DaddyG
Time to catch the bus. Have a great weekend Lizards if I don't get to the PC. Keep up the good blog!
Prayers of comfort and good vibes (pick your spiritual channel) to the victims of todays horrible crime and others who need support!
Just remember, IN, not UNDER!
| 609 |
midwestgak Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:23:31pm |
re: #586 pink freud
Obama Loses Place on Teleprompter
20 second video from Townhall, from this morning
What a total dufus.
What must the world be thinking? This is what America has as a leader? Poor America.
| 610 |
debutaunt Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:23:54pm |
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RedHouseBlueState Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:24:20pm |
re: #598 Kenneth
Kenneth, your concern is very appreciated, but my family aren't the ones I'm worried about. I'm concerned with the family and friends of those murdered or wounded. The amount of pain and suffering this has and will continue to cause is beyond the scope of my imagination. Binghamton isn't a very big town. In the 1950's it had a population of around 85,000, now its closer to 40,000. Technically its not big enough to even be an official city in NY State any more, but no government level has ever gone through the paper work to officially make it a village or a town again.
There are going to a be a whole lot of holes in peoples lives from no on.
| 613 |
rawmuse Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:24:35pm |
re: #609 midwestgak
The world thinks we are a pack of idiots and have chosen one of our own to lead us.
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Kenneth Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:25:07pm |
re: #611 RedHouseBlueState
Well said. This is a a terrible crime.
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Archimedes Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:25:16pm |
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Killgore Trout Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:25:19pm |
re: #603 Sharmuta
We could just agree to vote them all out. All of them.
That wouldn't help. They'd just be replaced by people that would do the same thing. There needs to be fear from their replacements that the public will turn on them. That the public might take away their outrageous pay for causing this mess. No such fear exists.
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Gus Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:26:00pm |
re: #595 Alouette
"Execute" is what is done to someone who has been convicted of a capital crime. What Voong did was murder people.
Right, usually they would say "execution style" if that were to be the case.
| 618 |
CyanSnowHawk Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:26:02pm |
re: #587 Killgore Trout
That's a classic. Never goes out of style.
It's just so ergonomic, being able to put your ears through the leg holes and all.
| 620 |
RedHouseBlueState Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:27:07pm |
re: #600 zombie
Definitely Vietnamese. I've known some Voongs.
Yes Zombie, the scum appears to be a Vietnamese immigrant. There's a lot of them in this area (I have no problems with that, this entire area is made up of immigrants, my grand parents included).
This is going to just crush the Vietnamese population. So many come here to work hard, raise families. I'm guessing they were most of the victims too. Plus associated people who happened to be in the wrong place and the wrong time.
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zombie Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:27:15pm |
Can you spot the very subtle and subliminal sexual innuendo in the new Scarlett Johansson ad for Moet Chandon champagne? You have to look carefully -- it's kind of hard to notice.
| 623 |
nikis-knight Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:27:33pm |
re: #603 Sharmuta
We could just agree to vote them all out. All of them.
I could almost foresee a time when we'll get an amendment throwing out every elected official. Sometime around Zimbabwe inflation.
| 624 |
Athos Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:27:39pm |
re: #551 Killgore Trout
It occurs to me that this really goes against the popular theory that Obama want's to nationalize the economy. He's making it very uncomfortable for private businesses to accept government money. The banks are clamouring to get out of TARP and GM is now seriously looking at bankruptcy instead of bailouts with public funds. I don't see this as a bad thing. I'd be more worried if they were loving the deals Obama is offering and lining up for more. The more they complain the better this is.
Maybe we could make them wear funny hats too, just for a laugh.
From all of the actions and appearances of President Obama, the goal is apparently not to be as overt as to work to nationalize major elements of the economy despite calls for this from Democrat representatives like Maxine Waters and others. Such an action would be far too aggressive and likely to focus opposition against such action in a manner that would be difficult to control or combat.
However, as evidenced by his actions, and the in the Politico story on his meeting with Bank CEO's which led to a telling quote:
“Be careful how you make those statements, gentlemen. The public isn’t buying that.”“My administration,” the president added, “is the only thing between you and the pitchforks.”
The impression I gain from his actions since January 20 and comments like this is that he is not seeking the nationalization of major elements of the economy, but establishing a firm level of state control over the actions and operations of public companies - defining compensation, rules and regulations, who is hired / fired by using the acceptance of government funds as the initial effort for control. It is using a populist argument that since you take our funds, you also accept our control of your operation as paramount over those of the shareholders and management team. What are described as loans are apparently treated as an acquisition with an ownership share - and in many cases the rules are changed after the money has been accepted.
Given the government's less than stellar record in efficiently running anything, this is the worrisome expansion of government authority that should worry many people.
| 625 |
Sharmuta Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:27:50pm |
re: #616 Killgore Trout
That wouldn't help. They'd just be replaced by people that would do the same thing. There needs to be fear from their replacements that the public will turn on them. That the public might take away their outrageous pay for causing this mess. No such fear exists.
Partially because the voters don't hold elected officials accountable. Perhaps if we did vote them all out, that fear would start to build. I agree they should fear us, but it's a bit like a parent with a spoiled child: "Don't do that Billy!" But Billy is never punished and doesn't stop. Until the threat of electoral removal from office is actually acted upon, why would they fear us?
| 626 |
jcm Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:28:32pm |
re: #605 LGoPs
Wonder if any of these university fuckers ever heard of Koestler's Darkness at Noon. This is positively Kafkaesque........
I'll be writing my alma mater this weekend for sure.
| 629 |
Kosh's Shadow Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:28:49pm |
re: #599 DaddyG
I haven't saved my old ones. Perhaps we should search the archives and create the LGF songbook?
That would be a good idea. Some of them I've saved, but I haven't found one of my early ones, a parody of Warren Zevon's Excitable Boy, called "Religious Man". Maybe I'll look again.
| 630 |
debutaunt Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:28:54pm |
re: #601 Killgore Trout
I would love it if there was a public witch hunt to track down and remove every politician responsible for this crisis too. Nobody's interested in that plan. Everybody's too busy trying to make partisan political progress instead of fixing the problem and finding solutions.
Instead, they've been put in charge of the Census.
| 631 |
zombie Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:29:03pm |
re: #610 debutaunt
Song reference! What is who knows where or when?
From the Broadway musical Babes in Arms -- the greatest musical of all time!
| 632 |
OldLineTexan Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:29:03pm |
| 633 |
lawhawk Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:29:14pm |
re: #622 zombie
Nope... all I notice is a serious waste of good champagne. /
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CyanSnowHawk Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:29:39pm |
re: #622 zombie
Can you spot the very subtle and subliminal sexual innuendo in the new Scarlett Johansson ad for Moet Chandon champagne? You have to look carefully -- it's kind of hard to notice.
Don't worry, it happens to lots of guys.
| 635 |
BatGuano Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:29:45pm |
In 1964, 69 year old Restaurateur Jack Dempsey was standing on a sidewalk in New York City waiting for a cab. Two muggers approached him and demanded money. Seconds later they were both on the ground refusing to get up until the police arrived.
Jack Dempsey was heavyweight champ from 1919-1926.
| 636 |
paradox42 Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:29:54pm |
re: #601 Killgore Trout
I would love it if there was a public witch hunt to track down and remove every politician responsible for this crisis too. Nobody's interested in that plan. Everybody's too busy trying to make partisan political progress instead of fixing the problem and finding solutions.
When does the witch hunt start and where do I sign up? Also, do I have to supply my own pitchfork?
| 637 |
nyc redneck Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:29:58pm |
re: #586 pink freud
Obama Loses Place on Teleprompter
20 second video from Townhall, from this morning
What a total dufus.
what's so bad is that he doesn't even have a train of thought abt. the subject, to allow him to finish the sentence. he just stops cold. and looks like a bewildered fool.
he really is just reading words. w/ no understanding of substance.
more and more, "empty suit" looks like the perfect description of o.
| 638 |
Kenneth Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:30:25pm |
re: #622 zombie
Here's another ad in the series. Equally difficult to parse the symbolism.
| 640 |
lawhawk Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:30:35pm |
You don't say, part 2 million: Obama disappoints as world leader.
| 641 |
jcm Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:31:01pm |
re: #622 zombie
Can you spot the very subtle and subliminal sexual innuendo in the new Scarlett Johansson ad for Moet Chandon champagne? You have to look carefully -- it's kind of hard to notice.
She'd never get a second glance on Folsom St.
| 642 |
J.S. Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:31:15pm |
re: #532 Kenneth
Wait a second, Kenneth. I have read (I really wanted to find out) that there were NO scars -- and, in fact, no doctor ever examined him. Certain "nay-sayers" who were sceptical about Arar's claims said that all that was needed was for a doctor's examination, yet he never had an exam (very, very few were actually sceptical about his claims, here in Canada, since the whole push by the media was towards blaming certain authorities -- both Canadian and American -- and posing Arar as the "victim" -- the whole victim thing then came into full force). So, where are the doctor's reports? iirc, they are non-existent. hence, all the "charges" were based on hearsay.
| 644 |
Lincolntf Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:31:17pm |
re: #616 Killgore Trout
Are you referring to Congress or the "bankers", when you say "take away their outrageous pay"? We can't vote the bankers out, and much of Congress took a pay cut to take their seat (or in the case of longtimers, have earned so much outside of their Congressional income that the Gov't check is an afterthought).
| 645 |
Killian Bundy Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:31:20pm |
California to require mandatory tire-pressure checks at automotive businesses
California has passed a new law requiring most auto servicing sites to check tire pressure at each visit and add air when necessary. The law will affect 40,000 businesses in the state, although the mandate does not effect body shops, car washes, glass repair shops, or parts stores. The state's government will let the service stations, smog-check stations, oil change places, and so on determine how much to charge for the check, and they must have a high-accuracy pressure gauge on hand. The tire pressure monitoring law will go into effect in July 1, 2010.
California's Air Resources Board says the state-wide law will save 75 million gallons of fuel per year, while also eliminating 700,000 metric tons of greenhouse gasses. That sounds mighty impressive, but if the Sacramento Bee is to believed, that's less than 0.5 percent of what California's greenhouse-gas reduction goals for 2020. Better is the CARB estimate that optimized tire pressure will save drivers about $12 per year (about six gallons of gas at today's prices), along with added safety and tire longevity benefits.
What nonsense.
/sucks to be you California
| 646 |
VioletTiger Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:31:29pm |
re: #637 nyc redneck
what's so bad is that he doesn't even have a train of thought abt. the subject, to allow him to finish the sentence. he just stops cold. and looks like a bewildered fool.
he really is just reading words. w/ no understanding of substance.
more and more, "empty suit" looks like the perfect description of o.
That's why I would love to be in charge of the TOTUS for just one hour. He would read whatever is on there.
| 647 |
Sharmuta Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:31:48pm |
re: #638 Kenneth
Here's another ad in the series. Equally difficult to parse the symbolism.
Scarlett reminds me of, well, Scarlett. She's wearing the curtains.
| 648 |
Ward Cleaver Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:31:50pm |
re: #596 reine.de.tout
A Confederacy of Dunce Hats
I hope that book never gets made into a movie, because Hollywood will ruin it.
| 650 |
debutaunt Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:32:06pm |
re: #622 zombie
Can you spot the very subtle and subliminal sexual innuendo in the new Scarlett Johansson ad for Moet Chandon champagne? You have to look carefully -- it's kind of hard to notice.
Clever!
| 651 |
Ben Hur Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:32:09pm |
Been very busy today so I don't know if this has been covered.
Have you seen these?:
Leonhardt and other liberal economic writers have been flailing away at Amity Shlaes’s history of the Great Depression, The Forgotten Man, for stating what historians have understood for decades: that Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal didn’t work. But now that Barack Obama has decided to try and spend his way out of our current economic difficulties, FDR’s policies must be exhumed and defended. Indeed, according to Leonhardt and others, Roosevelt’s main flaw was that he didn’t spend enough. I’ll leave the dissecting of these bad arguments to Shlaes, but I found it fascinating that in the course of Leonhardt’s latest piece on this issue, he saw it fit to prove the genius of stimulus spending by pointing to the example of the Third Reich.
That’s right. Leonhardt believes that Adolf Hitler’s building of the autobahn, facilities for the 1936 Olympics, and other public works projects such as monuments to the Nazi Party “helped Germany escape the Great Depression faster than other countries.” Unmentioned by Leonhardt was Hitler’s vast expansion of the German military (long before the United States expanded its own armed forces) as well as the wealth that accumulated to various official arms of the state from the theft of Jewish properties. Later in the same piece, Leonhardt also lauds America’s World War II mobilization as showing the genius of a stimulus, though he fails to mention that along with all the tanks, planes, and ships that were built, nearly 15 million Americans were also under arms during the war. That helped lower unemployment too.
This Is the Stupidest Thing You Will Read All Week
What author David Leonhardt leaves out is one little tiny uncomfortable fact: Hitler’s plans required wars of global conquest no later than 1942-43 (that he got a global war in 1939 was an accident; he thought the Allies wouldn’t fight). Because after eight or nine years of Obamanomics Nazinomics, Germany was going to be out of money. Totally out of money.
So I’m thinking that sometime around summer 2017, we really ought to invade Poland.
Mmmkay?
Threadworthy, IMHO.
| 652 |
Bloodnok Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:32:24pm |
re: #640 lawhawk
You don't say, part 2 million: Obama disappoints as world leader.
the talk of the week -- at least in certain circles in Washington, New York and London -- has been that President Obama is failing in his role as leader of the free world. British columnist Jonathan Freedland wrote in The Guardian newspaper that President Obama looks neither like JFK nor FDR but rather JEC -- that's James Earl Carter -- better known here as Jimmy Carter
Heh.
| 653 |
Gus Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:32:33pm |
re: #622 zombie
Can you spot the very subtle and subliminal sexual innuendo in the new Scarlett Johansson ad for Moet Chandon champagne? You have to look carefully -- it's kind of hard to notice.
//
| 654 |
pink freud Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:32:39pm |
re: #637 nyc redneck
Watching his lips move ....he seems extremely uneducated ...thinking seems difficult
| 655 |
Ben Hur Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:33:17pm |
re: #622 zombie
Can you spot the very subtle and subliminal sexual innuendo in the new Scarlett Johansson ad for Moet Chandon champagne? You have to look carefully -- it's kind of hard to notice.
They photshopped the sh*t out of her in that campaign.
| 656 |
Athos Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:33:17pm |
re: #637 nyc redneck
It's so interesting about how the use of the term 'orator' has moved from describing one with a gift of using the spoken word to make a cogent point and influence thinking - to someone who can read from a script on a teleprompter without an error. On that basis, Katie Couric, Charles Gibson, and Brian Williams (maybe, on a good day) can be called superb 'orators'.
| 657 |
Lincolntf Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:33:42pm |
re: #622 zombie
Heh.
I still remember finding the "hidden" stuff on a pack of Camels when I was in Basic Training. I can only remember one now, but I think a couple are in there.
| 658 |
midwestgak Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:33:53pm |
re: #640 lawhawk
You don't say, part 2 million: Obama disappoints as world leader.
CNN: What do you think of President Obama's trip to the G-20?
Fareed Zakaria: Although he brought a lot of star power -- the talk of the week -- at least in certain circles in Washington, New York and London -- has been that President Obama is failing in his role as leader of the free world. British columnist Jonathan Freedland wrote in The Guardian newspaper that President Obama looks neither like JFK nor FDR but rather JEC -- that's James Earl Carter -- better known here as Jimmy Carter.
| 659 |
Athos Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:34:26pm |
re: #645 Killian Bundy
California to require mandatory tire-pressure checks at automotive businesses
What nonsense.
/sucks to be you California
Welcome to the Nanny state of California. Just remember America, California is a leading indicator for the rest of you.
| 661 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:35:25pm |
re: #605 LGoPs
Wonder if any of these university fuckers ever heard of Koestler's Darkness at Noon. This is positively Kafkaesque........
Screw reading any of that, do the fuckers have any knowledge of the US Constitution is the question, 6th Amendment specifically.
| 663 |
zombie Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:35:31pm |
re: #651 Ben Hur
Been very busy today so I don't know if this has been covered.
Have you seen these?:
Threadworthy, IMHO.
Also left out of the analysis is that Germany annexed the Sudetendland and then essentially Austria as well, gaining two new huge sources of revenues.
All historical analysis these days comes with an agenda. Don't trust any of it.
| 664 |
A Man for all Seasons Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:35:35pm |
re: #655 Ben Hur
They photshopped the sh*t out of her in that campaign.
Didn't need to.. she has natural Beauty..
The first time I'd ever seen or heard of her was in Lost in Translation
| 665 |
Kenneth Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:35:51pm |
re: #642 J.S.
Hmmm... that is interesting. I was repeating a claim by his supportive press, but as you point out, it has not been shown. In any event, it would have been extremely unusual if the Syrian's didn't torture him. And it served no good purpose for the US to send him to Syria. They are not our allies.
| 666 |
Lincolntf Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:36:11pm |
re: #659 Athos
And Massachusetts is the lagging indicator. (See: Deval Patrick, Gov.)
| 667 |
Kosh's Shadow Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:36:14pm |
re: #629 Kosh's Shadow
That would be a good idea. Some of them I've saved, but I haven't found one of my early ones, a parody of Warren Zevon's Excitable Boy, called "Religious Man". Maybe I'll look again.
Found it; it was about an event in England when an "Asian" was shot in an anti-terror raid:
To the tune of "Excitable Boy" by Warren Zevon:
Well he went to the with a bomb in his pack
Religious man, they all said
And he sat there until the car was packed
Religious man, they all said
He looked at his watch and saw it was the time
Religious man, they all said
And the car was full of infidel slime
Religious man, they all said
So he said a prayer and he flipped the switch
Religious man, they all said
And he blew to bits both poor and rich
Religious man, they all said
| 668 |
Ward Cleaver Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:36:31pm |
re: #658 midwestgak
CNN: What do you think of President Obama's trip to the G-20?
Fareed Zakaria: Although he brought a lot of star power -- the talk of the week -- at least in certain circles in Washington, New York and London -- has been that President Obama is failing in his role as leader of the free world. British columnist Jonathan Freedland wrote in The Guardian newspaper that President Obama looks neither like JFK nor FDR but rather JEC -- that's James Earl Carter -- better known here as Jimmy Carter.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
| 669 |
zombie Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:36:40pm |
re: #655 Ben Hur
They photshopped the sh*t out of her in that campaign.
About 7% of the pixels are actually her real skin.
| 670 |
doppelganglander Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:36:52pm |
re: #596 reine.de.tout
A Confederacy of Dunce Hats
Upding for mentioning a great book. Bonus points since you're from Louisiana.
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LGoPs Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:37:01pm |
re: #645 Killian Bundy
California to require mandatory tire-pressure checks at automotive businesses
California's Air Resources Board says the state-wide law will save 75 million gallons of fuel per year, while also eliminating 700,000 metric tons of greenhouse gasses. That sounds mighty impressive, but if the Sacramento Bee is to believed, that's less than 0.5 percent of what California's greenhouse-gas reduction goals for 2020. Better is the CARB estimate that optimized tire pressure will save drivers about $12 per year (about six gallons of gas at today's prices), along with added safety and tire longevity benefits.
What nonsense./sucks to be you California
This is what passes for Energy Policy with Libtards. Oh, and I forgot to add:
- No nuclear plants
- No new refineries
- No wind power wherever liberals live
- No drilling for oil of course because we have to protexct ANWR even though it's one of the most inhospitable places on earth
- Bankrupt the cooal industry
Damn, I just want the ride to stop and be able to get off.........
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| 672 |
Bloodnok Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:37:51pm |
| 673 |
Athos Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:38:10pm |
re: #658 midwestgak
Ouch, that's got to sting a bit, eh Barry? Need some ice for the that shiner?
| 674 |
Ward Cleaver Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:38:10pm |
re: #670 doppelganglander
Upding for mentioning a great book. Bonus points since you're from Louisiana.
"Damn cawmniss!"
| 675 |
BatGuano Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:38:11pm |
re: #633 lawhawk
IN 1984 I went in for a root canal. I had recently bought the Infocom computer game A hitchiker's guide to the Universe. So I went in with the included button, "Don't panic", and my peril sensitive sunglasses.
| 676 |
godfrey Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:38:19pm |
re: #669 zombie
It's kind of like painting now. The photographic image is only the starting point.
| 677 |
rawmuse Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:38:41pm |
re: #645 Killian Bundy
Don't get me started. But wait, coming from a Minnesotan, the sting is less.
| 678 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:39:07pm |
re: #640 lawhawk
You don't say, part 2 million: Obama disappoints as world leader.
Jimmah Cahtah, Part 2 definitely.
The man is not a leader, period. He is a bloody fucking political campaigner. Running for higher political office is ALL he knows how to do.
I take that back, Political Campaigning and Furthering a Socialist/Communist Agenda are what he knows. Leadership is not in his DNA.
| 679 |
midwestgak Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:39:08pm |
| 680 |
Ben Hur Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:39:35pm |
re: #640 lawhawk
You don't say, part 2 million: Obama disappoints as world leader.
What's nuts is that if you read/watch the American MSM has been reporting The One's trip to Europe as if it's Jesus on the Cross absolving the US of all its sins.
If you read/watch the Euro MSM, they're not that impressed.
| 681 |
Kenneth Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:39:54pm |
re: #669 zombie
About 7% of the pixels are actually her real skin.
Say what you like, Scarlet has fabulous pixels.
| 682 |
Ward Cleaver Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:40:12pm |
re: #676 godfrey
It's kind of like painting now. The photographic image is only the starting point.
I saw her in Lost In Translation, with Bill Murray, and I didn't think she was that pretty. Of course she's a slobbering Obamaton, too.
| 683 |
ConservatismNow! Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:40:45pm |
re: #681 Kenneth
Say what you like, Scarlet has fabulous pixels.
I'm sorry, what? I was staring at her boobs.
| 684 |
Sharmuta Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:40:53pm |
re: #682 Ward Cleaver
I saw her in Lost In Translation, with Bill Murray, and I didn't think she was that pretty. Of course she's a slobbering Obamaton, too.
I loved Bill Murray in that, though.
| 685 |
barleystout Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:40:55pm |
re: #63 rawmuse
Just once I want to hear about a crazed mass killer getting drilled before he has a chance to rack up kills in the double digits.
Sorry, I have not been the same ever since the 101 California St. Massacre. Those people should have been armed, and some body should have been able to shoot back.
The idea that humans can not be poached like rabbits has to enter the mind of killers at some point, IMHO.
There is a nice blog that has archives of news stories going back to November of 2003 that include self defense with firearms.
[Link: www.claytoncramer.com...]
| 686 |
Bloodnok Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:40:58pm |
| 687 |
Ward Cleaver Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:41:31pm |
re: #684 Sharmuta
I loved Bill Murray in that, though.
Yeah, it was a good movie, especially when they're trying to shoot the Suntory ad.
| 688 |
LGoPs Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:41:38pm |
re: #651 Ben Hur
Been very busy today so I don't know if this has been covered.
Have you seen these?:
Liberal Fascism in the Times
What author David Leonhardt leaves out is one little tiny uncomfortable fact: Hitler’s plans required wars of global conquest no later than 1942-43 (that he got a global war in 1939 was an accident; he thought the Allies wouldn’t fight). Because after eight or nine years of Obamanomics Nazinomics, Germany was going to be out of money. Totally out of money.So I’m thinking that sometime around summer 2017, we really ought to invade Poland.
Mmmkay?Threadworthy, IMHO.
I'd rather invade Canada. They're closer and I think they get pretty much the same TV. Can't miss that American Idol.....
//////
| 689 |
Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:41:38pm |
re: #667 Kosh's Shadow
Well he went to the with a bomb in his pack
Went to the what? Mall, bar, pub, church, bus, mosque?
Don't keep us in suspense!
| 690 |
Sharmuta Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:41:59pm |
re: #687 Ward Cleaver
Yeah, it was a good movie, especially when they're trying to shoot the Suntory ad.
That's a really funny scene! I liked the exercise scene too.
| 691 |
godfrey Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:42:08pm |
| 693 |
Kenneth Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:42:53pm |
re: #688 LGoPs
Great, bring beer. What time can we expect you? Dinner will be ready.
| 694 |
godfrey Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:43:32pm |
Johanssen could be a 1940s pin-up, which is high praise.
| 696 |
Buck Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:43:38pm |
re: #622 zombie
Can you spot the very subtle and subliminal sexual innuendo in the new Scarlett Johansson ad for Moet Chandon champagne? You have to look carefully -- it's kind of hard to notice.
Yep, very subtle....
I just realized that we don't have any Champagne on hand... You know for a special occasion... I must go and buy some tonight...
| 697 |
LGoPs Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:43:54pm |
| 699 |
ConservatismNow! Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:44:39pm |
re: #694 godfrey
There are some photos of her doing just that. Let me look around
| 700 |
karmic_inquisitor Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:44:52pm |
BTW -
Just watched a George Soros interview on CNBC.
That guy now wants "the entire financial system rebuilt" so that there are "no more asset bubbles, ever".
(1) George Soros is in the business of manipulating markets so that he can create, reinforce and then pop bubbles.
(2) Soros has taken his act global with his political sponsor activity, which he has used to help exacerbate the economic swings that his trades depend on.
(3) Soros envisions eliminating asset bubbles by government both (a) guaranteeing asset values and (b) using regulatory power to prevent those guarantees from ever being called on.
So what is George Soros really proposing? Government price controls on assets that are traded or used to store value. Stocks. Bonds. Houses. Derivatives.
In other words, an end of capitalism as we know it. A "market" system where an elite set of "experts" determine what is of value and what isn't.
Oh - I forgot to mention - Soros doesn't want any regulation of hedge funds. Whatsoever.
My conclusion - Soros is near term bullish on America (6 months horizon) but will exploit the coming inflation crisis to deal a death blow to our financial and industrial sector as he sets off a wave of off shore currency redemptions.
i won't insult sex workers by comparing Soros to a whore.
| 701 |
midwestgak Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:45:20pm |
OT Education and health care are areas where the job market is growing. hummmm.
| 702 |
Dustyvet Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:45:24pm |
Some prisoners at Bagram air base can challenge detentions, judge rules
He says the detainees who were shipped from outside Afghanistan to Bagram air base were in legal terms 'virtually identical' to those sent to Guantanamo.
[Link: rpc.blogrolling.com...]
| 703 |
BatGuano Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:45:33pm |
| 704 |
J.S. Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:45:40pm |
re: #665 Kenneth
Now do you see the problem? Soooo, we're to base claims of torture on the "fact" that "Well, you know, the Syrians, always torture!" Yeah, sure. That's not good enough in my books -- and sure as hell isn't good enough when you're talking about 10 million dollars. (You know what also makes me go livid? These g.d. "inquiries" -- I hope the United States of America NEVER, EVER goes this route -- these "inquiries" are utter travesties -- everybody is SHAFTED -- if Arar were REALLY tortured, then it is perverse that people (I include myself here) should then voice doubts about his torture. BUT, it is equally Perverse that if Arar was NOT tortured, and he gets 10 million dollars, and he then laughs himself all the way to the bank! And WHY is this allowed ?-- It is due to Canada's totally screwed up legal system -- it is a joke and a mockery (this also include the HRCs -- yet another farce). (argh...when I think about how justice is trampled up here, I really lose it.)
| 705 |
nyc redneck Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:46:04pm |
re: #654 pink freud
Watching his lips move ....he seems extremely uneducated ...thinking seems difficult
he can't really communicate w/out the prompter.
abt. anything. even, easy everyday subjects cause him to stammer.
it is more rewarding to talk to a parrot.
| 706 |
LGoPs Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:46:31pm |
re: #700 karmic_inquisitor
I have very bad thoughts about that man.
| 707 |
CyanSnowHawk Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:47:13pm |
re: #700 karmic_inquisitor
BTW -
Just watched a George Soros interview on CNBC.
That guy now wants "the entire financial system rebuilt" so that there are "no more asset bubbles, ever".
(1) George Soros is in the business of manipulating markets so that he can create, reinforce and then pop bubbles.
(2) Soros has taken his act global with his political sponsor activity, which he has used to help exacerbate the economic swings that his trades depend on.
(3) Soros envisions eliminating asset bubbles by government both (a) guaranteeing asset values and (b) using regulatory power to prevent those guarantees from ever being called on.
So what is George Soros really proposing? Government price controls on assets that are traded or used to store value. Stocks. Bonds. Houses. Derivatives.
In other words, an end of capitalism as we know it. A "market" system where an elite set of "experts" determine what is of value and what isn't.
Oh - I forgot to mention - Soros doesn't want any regulation of hedge funds. Whatsoever.
My conclusion - Soros is near term bullish on America (6 months horizon) but will exploit the coming inflation crisis to deal a death blow to our financial and industrial sector as he sets off a wave of off shore currency redemptions.
i won't insult sex workers by comparing Soros to a whore.
There is someone that we cannot be rid of soon enough.
| 708 |
A Man for all Seasons Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:47:16pm |
re: #703 BatGuano
Mmmmm. Betty Grable.
I'll bet when buzzsaw reads that..3 words will come to his mind..
what a dish!
LOL
| 709 |
Ward Cleaver Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:47:23pm |
re: #706 LGoPs
I have very bad thoughts about that man.
A little stint in Joy Camp will fix you right up.
| 711 |
Ward Cleaver Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:48:16pm |
| 712 |
Ward Cleaver Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:49:04pm |
re: #699 ConservatismNow!
There are some photos of her doing just that. Let me look around
So where are they?
| 713 |
Ben Hur Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:49:16pm |
| 714 |
BatGuano Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:49:29pm |
I just hit 700 Karma. That means I don't suck as much as I did awhile ago. Drinks are on me!
| 715 |
Killian Bundy Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:49:48pm |
U.S. offers olive branch to N. Korea
The United States is open to bilateral contacts with North Korea and urges the country to refrain from launching a long-range rocket, said the U.S. envoy to negotiations with the communist state. Stephen Bosworth said that six-nation nuclear negotiations with North Korea "must be at the center ... of our efforts.
Iran, Russia, Hamas, Hezzbolah, Taliban, and now North Korea. TOTUS must just really love being told to [expletive deleted] off.
/probably touched a hot stove more than once as a child too and still never made the connection
| 717 |
Russkilitlover Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:49:55pm |
re: #640 lawhawk
You don't say, part 2 million: Obama disappoints as world leader.
the talk of the week -- at least in certain circles in Washington, New York and London -- has been that President Obama is failing in his role as leader of the free world.
That's because he is NOT a leader. Nothing he did or said was from a leadership standpoint. His much vaunted "oratory skills" were laced with weak language - everything from generalized phrases ("We can meet any challenge if we are together") to projection of American mediocrity.
| 718 |
LGoPs Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:50:14pm |
re: #713 Ben Hur
Why the ////?
We should totally invade Canada!
Heh. Hey Kenneth....prepare another seat for dinner......
:)
| 719 |
jcm Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:50:18pm |
re: #698 Kenneth
FYI: Scarlet not included with purchase.
Huh?
What?
Takes coat off.........
Do you know how many cans of Old Milwaukee I bought!
| 720 |
ashan Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:50:18pm |
re: #637 nyc redneck
what's so bad is that he doesn't even have a train of thought abt. the subject, to allow him to finish the sentence. he just stops cold. and looks like a bewildered fool.
he really is just reading words. w/ no understanding of substance.
more and more, "empty suit" looks like the perfect description of o.
Of course Empty Suit Barry has no train of thought and no ability to improvise or ad lib when the teleprompter betrays him. He is a tool. His real "education" is around the level of sophomore year at Occidental under the influence of substance abuse.
| 721 |
midwestgak Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:50:23pm |
re: #714 BatGuano
I just hit 700 Karma. That means I don't suck as much as I did awhile ago. Drinks are on me!
Bass beer, please.
| 722 |
Ward Cleaver Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:50:32pm |
re: #714 BatGuano
I just hit 700 Karma. That means I don't suck as much as I did awhile ago. Drinks are on me!
I just hit 8,000 karma. Way cool.
/coming up on 39,000 posts
| 723 |
wrenchwench Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:51:02pm |
re: #714 BatGuano
That means I don't suck as much as I did awhile ago.
You and my old Kirby.
Tea, hot, Earl Gray.
| 724 |
Ward Cleaver Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:51:23pm |
re: #715 Killian Bundy
U.S. offers olive branch to N. Korea
Iran, Russia, Hamas, Hezzbolah, Taliban, and now North Korea. TOTUS must just really love being told to [expletive deleted] off.
/probably touched a hot stove more than once as a child too and still never made the connection
"Can I have another, sir?"
| 725 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:51:41pm |
re: #700 karmic_inquisitor
Soros is just trying to stop anyone from preventing or duplicating his takeover of the US financial/political system.
| 726 |
godfrey Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:51:46pm |
re: #700 karmic_inquisitor
Will someone please slip some industrial laxative in that guy's coffee?
Send him out on a rail.
| 727 |
Ward Cleaver Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:53:05pm |
Speaking of The One being a doormat, check out the new thread.
| 728 |
godfrey Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:54:26pm |
re: #722 Ward Cleaver
I'm at 4,809 for 15,632 posts, making my individual posts worth ... 30 cents.
No doubt this post will make the market even more bearish on me.
Any offers for hostile takeover?
| 730 |
ConservatismNow! Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:55:10pm |
| 731 |
WhiteRasta Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:55:35pm |
| 732 |
debutaunt Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:55:50pm |
re: #714 BatGuano
I just hit 700 Karma. That means I don't suck as much as I did awhile ago. Drinks are on me!
Sure, lord it over other lizards.
| 733 |
BatGuano Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:56:52pm |
re: #723 wrenchwench
I love Earl Gray. Your wish is granted!
| 734 |
opnion Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:57:13pm |
re: #717 Russkilitlover
That's because he is NOT a leader. Nothing he did or said was from a leadership standpoint. His much vaunted "oratory skills" were laced with weak language - everything from generalized phrases ("We can meet any challenge if we are together") to projection of American mediocrity.
Obama is stuck in his undergrad classes. He views the US as Imperialist & seeking to spread it's hegemony. Therefore he seeks not to project US influence , but only his own image.
| 735 |
A Man for all Seasons Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:58:18pm |
re: #728 godfrey
I'm at 4,809 for 15,632 posts, making my individual posts worth ... 30 cents.
No doubt this post will make the market even more bearish on me.
Any offers for hostile takeover?
I'm breaking you up into individual divisions.. Are selling you off on the market.
/Congrads
| 737 |
ConservatismNow! Fri, Apr 3, 2009 1:58:58pm |
Bee Brains change during mid-life
Can we splice bee genes with libtard genes?
| 738 |
Mr. In get Mr. Out Fri, Apr 3, 2009 2:02:12pm |
re: #715 Killian Bundy
U.S. offers olive branch to N. Korea
Iran, Russia, Hamas, Hezzbolah, Taliban, and now North Korea. TOTUS must just really love being told to [expletive deleted] off.
/probably touched a hot stove more than once as a child too and still never made the connection
They don't understand that Kim is fucking nuts.
| 740 |
Bubblehead II Fri, Apr 3, 2009 2:10:38pm |
re: #645 Killian Bundy
*snip*
California has passed a new law requiring most auto servicing sites to check tire pressure at each visit and add air when necessary.
*snip*
The state's government will let the service stations, smog-check stations, oil change places, and so on determine how much to charge for the check.
*snip*
What a crock of shit. Any reputable automotive service center will always check your tires pressure while servicing your vehicle and not charge extra for it. Do you have any info on what the fine will be for failing to make the check? Because this smell like an income generation law and nothing more.
| 741 |
Throbert McGee Fri, Apr 3, 2009 2:10:51pm |
re: #246 Right mind left
[Click to zoom.] Click to enlarge
Police take positions outside the American Civic Association building in Binghampton, N.Y. during a shooting and hostage situation there on April 3, 2009.
[...]
Related Slideshows2009 Celebrity Deaths
Celebrities Separated At Birth?
When It Was Out To Be Out
Celebrities On Twitter
More Openly Gay Celebrities
Celebs Who Lean To The Right
Hardcore Liberal Celebrities
Jessica Simpson: Then & Now
Brad & Angelina Through The Years
In To Be Out: Gay CelebritiesA gunman entered an immigration services center in downtown Binghamton on Friday and went on a shooting rampage
The dangers of copy-and-paste...
/enough of this depressing "news"; what about the gay celebrities?
| 742 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 2:15:22pm |
re: #645 Killian Bundy
California to require mandatory tire-pressure checks at automotive businesses
What nonsense.
/sucks to be you California
So to save an estimated $12 a YEAR will entail creating a new governmental oversight bureaucracy that will cost the average driver probably that much in a month, if not more. Why is the only solution so many people propose for a problem is yet even more government.
Man, I am SO glad I left that state 15 years ago and moved back to my home state of Washington. At least sometimes the entrenched permanent political class here gets a clue about what it means to be a tax paye.
| 743 |
jcm Fri, Apr 3, 2009 2:15:52pm |
re: #740 Bubblehead II
*snip*
California has passed a new law requiring most auto servicing sites to check tire pressure at each visit and add air when necessary.
*snip*
The state's government will let the service stations, smog-check stations, oil change places, and so on determine how much to charge for the check.
*snip*What a crock of shit. Any reputable automotive service center will always check your tires pressure while servicing your vehicle and not charge extra for it. Do you have any info on what the fine will be for failing to make the check? Because this smell like an income generation law and nothing more.
Cops checking tire pressure during traffic stops and fining $100 for each pound of pressure under inflated.
| 744 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Apr 3, 2009 2:17:14pm |
re: #740 Bubblehead II
*snip*
California has passed a new law requiring most auto servicing sites to check tire pressure at each visit and add air when necessary.
*snip*
The state's government will let the service stations, smog-check stations, oil change places, and so on determine how much to charge for the check.
*snip*What a crock of shit. Any reputable automotive service center will always check your tires pressure while servicing your vehicle and not charge extra for it. Do you have any info on what the fine will be for failing to make the check? Because this smell like an income generation law and nothing more.
Tax revenue stream generation AND creating yet another government oversight bureaucracy department. Government wins with a TWOFER, tax payers lose all the way.
| 745 |
pingjockey Fri, Apr 3, 2009 2:18:20pm |
re: #742 FurryOldGuyJeans
You on the wet side or over here on the dry side?
| 746 |
jcm Fri, Apr 3, 2009 2:21:55pm |
re: #745 pingjockey
You on the wet side or over here on the dry side?
Hey, Ping!
Snow on the ground at my house this morning.... just a dusting but snow in April!
| 747 |
Throbert McGee Fri, Apr 3, 2009 2:22:30pm |
re: #631 zombie
From the Broadway musical Babes in Arms -- the greatest musical of all time!
Wow, yet another Rodgers and Hart musical not included on the Queen's iPod...
/though can you imagine the uproar if "The Lady Is a Tramp" had been one of the songs that Barack gave her?
| 748 |
Bubblehead II Fri, Apr 3, 2009 2:26:02pm |
| 749 |
pingjockey Fri, Apr 3, 2009 2:31:47pm |
re: #746 jcm
I was up on the mad mullah nuke thread. I got stuck in a foot of new snow up at Lake Wenatchee! Studded tires had to come off April 1!
| 751 |
Lizard by the Bay Fri, Apr 3, 2009 3:01:04pm |
So, someone gets laid off from IBM, and goes on a shooting spree at the Immigration Services office? I know it's early to speculate, but could this be the first recorded case of H1-B Visa Deportation Rage?
| 752 |
right_in_canada Fri, Apr 3, 2009 3:14:23pm |
re: #130 FightingBack
Fox News: Potential Civil Liability for Wrongful Death.
(I'm going to shoot my TV.)
I heard Elvis did that !
| 755 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Apr 3, 2009 3:48:44pm |
re: #56 Caboose
Reports are that the gunman is "Asian", hmmmm....
In the US press that means East Asian.
| 756 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Apr 3, 2009 3:51:07pm |
re: #79 unrealizedviewpoint
Every liberal in America is doing so right now.
I'm not. My parents aren't.
God. Those poor people.
| 757 |
humanliberty Fri, Apr 3, 2009 4:27:35pm |
751 - lizard at the bay, you might very well be right.
| 758 |
Alberta Oil Peon Fri, Apr 3, 2009 5:13:27pm |
re: #532 Kenneth
Maher Arar. He has the scars to back his claims of torture. That and the fact that torture is what the Syrians do to everybody in their jails. Who was the idiot who figured the Syrians were our allies in the war on terror? Some idiot at the CIA or the US State Dept, is my guess. Total screw up.
And I seem to remember reading recently that one of the Gitmo detainees, under interrogation, pointed to a picture of Maher Arar, and gave the correct name, without being prompted, as a person he had met at a "training camp" in Pakistan.
Sorry, I do not have a link for that.
| 759 |
freedomsound Fri, Apr 3, 2009 5:19:04pm |
re: #158 LGoPs
re: #147 jemimaChuckles Schumer has made it almost impossible to get a pistol permit in this state.
I'd be curious to know what kind of personal security he has at home. Not for any insidious reason but to illustrate the hypocrisy that I'm sure is there.
Schumer has been known to carry a gun on his person at times. And no, I don't have a link.
| 760 |
Alberta Oil Peon Fri, Apr 3, 2009 5:21:28pm |
re: #583 Gus 802
[Link: www.13wham.com...]
"Officials said Voong backed his car up to the rear door of the building to block any escape before he went to the front of the building and started to execute people." (bolded by me)
That sort of shit rots my socks! Those people were murdered in cold blood, not "executed." An execution is a judicial homicide, done after due process, by a lawfully constituted government.
Those MSM ignoramuses that misuse the term "execution" should be flayed alive.
| 761 |
Alberta Oil Peon Fri, Apr 3, 2009 6:44:41pm |
| 762 |
zombie Fri, Apr 3, 2009 7:20:03pm |
re: #747 Throbert McGee
Wow, yet another Rodgers and Hart musical not included on the Queen's iPod...
/though can you imagine the uproar if "The Lady Is a Tramp" had been one of the songs that Barack gave her?
Actually, "The Lady Is a Tramp" is an extremely clever and ironic song: Frank Sinatra forever destroyed it because he apparently didn't understand it. The whole point behind the song is that the lady isn't a tramp -- it is her social "superiors" who look down on her who are the tramps. The singer of the song admries her for doing all these things that aren't tramp-y, but which were considered declassé by the pretentious and hypocritical New York snob matrons of the era.
The key line is the final one when the singer says, "She's all alone when she lowers her lamp: that's why the lady is a tramp" -- implying that her critics aren't all alone when they "lower their lamps" (i.e. turn out the gaslights and get into bed), meaning our heroine uniquely is the only one of her social circle who isn't promiscuous.
Which is why I think it would completely appropriate for the Queen.
| 763 |
pleaseandthankyou Sat, Apr 4, 2009 2:05:50am |
I'm a huge supporter of the police, but this quote from an article on the shooting has me aghast:
Police arrived in minutes, heard no gunfire and waited for about an hour before entering the building to make sure it was safe for officers.
Is it not the JOB of police officers to put themselves in harm's way to save lives?! People were DYING in there! Just because you don't hear gunfire doesn't mean that a). the perp isn't still killing people by some other means. b.) people aren't in need of immediate medical attention. If this is true it is truly pathetic. I thought the police changed their policy after waiting outside like a bunch of scared girls at Columbine while Dylan and Kleibold had the run of the place. Unbelievable.
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Once Praised, the Settlement to Help Sickened BP Oil Spill Workers Leaves Most With Nearly Nothing When a deadly explosion destroyed BP’s Deepwater Horizon drilling rig in the Gulf of Mexico, 134 million gallons of crude erupted into the sea over the next three months — and tens of thousands of ordinary people were hired ...
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Alone in a Bathroom: The Fear and Uncertainty of a Post-Roe Medication Abortion Angel tucked two white pills into each side of her mouth, bracing herself as they began to dissolve. Her deepest fears and anxieties took over. Angel had wanted to talk to a doctor before she took the pills to ... Cheechako
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They Were Desperate to Get Pregnant. Then IVF Gave Them Extra Embryos. One morning last spring, Ashley Harrolle put her 1-year-old daughter down for a nap and went to the kitchen. She pulled up her fertility clinic’s contact information. It was time to make the call. In a freezer several hundred ... Cheechako
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Views: 464 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 1- Pictures From Today’s Exhibition of Paintings Done by Jane LilienthalPROPS TO MICHELE AND SAGEHEN FOR CATCHING THE SPELLING ERROR IN THE TITLE THAT MY DIABETIC EYES COULDN'T CATCH I wanted to share pictures of the art show I visited today. The portraits were created by the mother of my ...Joe Bacon ✅
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March FavoritesYou've seen these all already but looking back, just because. These are my favorite shots of this last month. That 1937 Zeiss Sonnar is such a gloriously wonderful bit of glass. Thanks for looking.
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Russia’s New Combat Robots Blown Up by Drones Near Avdiivka When we landed on the moon, I thought about how science fiction had become real. Now, the robot wars have begun. It's more poignant somehow on the ground than in the missile wars we have in the air as ...
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The Pandemic Cost 7 Million Lives, but Talks to Prevent a Repeat Stall In late 2021, as the world reeled from the arrival of the highly contagious omicron variant of the coronavirus, representatives of almost 200 countries met - some online, some in-person in Geneva - hoping to forestall a future worldwide ... Cheechako
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Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ... Cheechako
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