Ahmadinejad Declares Victory in Iran Election

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“Alleging irregularities” is a pretty safe play for the loser in any Iranian election: Ahmadinejad leads Iran vote, challenger defiant.

TEHRAN (Reuters) - State media declared President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad the winner of Iran’s election but challenger Mirhossein Mousavi alleged irregularities and claimed victory for himself.

The state election commission said early Saturday that Ahmadinejad, a hardline conservative, was ahead with 66 percent of the votes in Friday’s election after 21 million ballots were counted.

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683 comments
1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:15:50pm

Ugh.

2 Mithrax  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:16:08pm

should be "Challenger defiant until they threaten to kill him"

3 screaming_eagle  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:16:52pm

NO Hope
NOChange

4 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:18:22pm

The Mullahs won.

5 Basho  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:18:47pm

Hooray for mideastern democracy...

6 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:18:56pm

Well....Crap.

Okay, Obama. The Hall Is Rented. The Orcestra Engaged. Now It's Time To See If You Can Dance.

7 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:19:06pm

Did Dinnerjacket get the mountain folk vote? Does Iraq have hillbillies?

8 DEZes  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:19:23pm

Enriched Uranium in every cave.

9 callahan23  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:20:00pm

re: #3 screaming_eagle

NO Hope
NOChange


Same old, same old.
What a sad outcome for the Iranian people.

What a frightening outcome for the Israeli people.

10 freetoken  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:20:17pm

re: #6 Jewels (AKA Julian)

And what exactly are you proposing is to be done?

11 brookly red  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:20:23pm

IDF cancels celebratory fireworks...

12 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:20:38pm

That's not the hope the Iranians were looking for.
It's not the change that Obama was hoping for.

It's what the mullahs hoped for, and they wouldn't change a thing.

13 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:20:43pm

The MSM coverage seems to ignore the fact that Iran is just about as democratic as the old Soviet Union. The people the to chose from a list of candidates offered by the mullahs. There are no surprises.

14 screaming_eagle  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:20:46pm

State media declared President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad the winner of Iran’s election ....

I didn't realize MSNBC had an Iranian channel.

15 screaming_eagle  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:21:40pm

re: #8 DEZes

Enriched Uranium in every cave.

And a missle under every camel.

16 brookly red  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:22:01pm

re: #14 screaming_eagle

State media declared President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad the winner of Iran’s election ....

I didn't realize MSNBC had an Iranian channel.

/you don't get chanel O ?

17 solomonpanting  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:22:57pm
Ahmadinejad, a hardline conservative

So, then, the election of the lefty Obama has not heralded in an age of liberalism.
//

18 RememberSekhmet?  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:23:09pm

Surprise, surprise
/

19 callahan23  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:23:10pm

re: #15 screaming_eagle

And a missle under every camel.

Like this one?

20 Mithrax  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:23:35pm

re: #19 callahan23

Like this one?

LOL

21 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:24:28pm

Crap.

Did Jimmy C. monitor the election?

22 DEZes  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:24:43pm

re: #15 screaming_eagle

And a missle under every camel.

Nuclear weapons were gonna come into play sooner or later.
I believe with this outcome, its sooner'
I pray I am very very wrong.

23 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:25:04pm
"People's strong, revolutionary and clear decision will bring about a bright future for the nation," Ahmadinejad said when he voted in a working-class part of Tehran.

OK, so he's the "conservative," and the incumbent, but re-electing him is revolutionary? I guess words don't mean anything anymore.

24 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:25:31pm

re: #22 DEZes

Heard today that the opponent was also in favor of them having nukes. What's up with that?

25 DEZes  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:25:36pm

re: #19 callahan23

Like this one?

The beer all over my monitor is entirely your doing. ;)

26 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:25:40pm

re: #4 FrogMarch

The Mullahs won.

Well that was a sure bet

27 brookly red  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:25:44pm

re: #23 wrenchwench

OK, so he's the "conservative," and the incumbent, but re-electing him is revolutionary? I guess words don't mean anything anymore.

words, just words...

28 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:25:50pm

re: #2 Mithrax

should be "Challenger defiant until they threaten to kill him"


FTFY.
He'd better not take any flights on Iranian aircraft. They have a tendency to crash when people the mullahs or the Revolutionary Guards don't like are aboard.

29 brookly red  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:26:22pm

re: #24 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Heard today that the opponent was also in favor of them having nukes. What's up with that?

he started the program... Hello?

30 tradewind  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:26:26pm

And I declare shenanigans. The other guy is claiming victory as well, isn't he?
Not that either of them could dissuade any of the mad mullahs from pressing the nuclear button, so what difference does it make?
Ahmanidjiot at least provides some caricature potential.

31 DEZes  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:26:29pm

re: #24 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Heard today that the opponent was also in favor of them having nukes. What's up with that?

Not really sure, I had heard the opposite, but I take it all as BS.

32 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:26:32pm

re: #22 DEZes

Nuclear weapons were gonna come into play sooner or later.
I believe with this outcome, its sooner'
I pray I am very very wrong.

I don't think it really mattered

33 Gus  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:26:40pm

Iran-ACORN

Ahmadinejad
Corrupt
Oppressive
Regressive
Necromutants

34 callahan23  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:27:02pm

re: #25 DEZes

The beer all over my monitor is entirely your doing. ;)

De nada. ;-)

35 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:27:23pm

re: #31 DEZes

Not really sure, I had heard the opposite, but I take it all as BS.

His opponent was the guy who started the nuke program!

36 DEZes  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:27:46pm

re: #21 Cato the Elder

Crap.

Did Jimmy C. monitor the election?

No, but he may like the outcome.
///

37 DEZes  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:28:16pm

re: #35 Nevergiveup

His opponent was the guy who started the nuke program!

Why am I not surprised.

38 tradewind  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:28:27pm

re: #12 lawhawk

Obama is rooting for the candidate with the most relaxed fist.
/sarc/

39 Shug  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:29:01pm

I think we need to send them jimmy Carter to do a 3 year investigation

40 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:29:13pm

In some ways, this is good. With the Mad Persian Ahmadinejad spouting off, the world will know Iran is still working on a bomb and plans to use it. The world won't do anything, though; that hasn't changed.

But if the opponent had won, the world could at least delude itself that Iran can be changed by talks.

41 brookly red  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:29:41pm

re: #38 tradewind

Obama is rooting for the candidate with the most relaxed fist.
/sarc/

well since he is going to be taking it...

42 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:29:57pm

So, you see, he won an election, which is more than you wingnuts can say for Bush, nyah, nyah, nyah!
/

43 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:30:01pm

re: #37 DEZes

Why am I not surprised.

When ever I hear the resident Liberal Kristen Powers on FOX talk about "Pro" American Iranian Leaders I want laugh and hurl at the same time.

44 DEZes  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:30:12pm

re: #41 brookly red

well since he is going to be taking it...

Your bad, :)

45 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:30:12pm

re: #13 Killgore Trout

More troubling, the Obama Administration seems to ignore that as well, as based on Obama's statements regarding the elections there today.

He thinks that there's a robust debate. He thinks the elections there actually mean a choice for the Iranian people.

He ignores the fact that the mullahs vet the candidates - it's their choice, and the public chooses between the two guys that the mullahs want.

46 tradewind  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:30:25pm

re: #39 Shug

That's a tad optimistic......

47 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:30:36pm

re: #7 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Did Dinnerjacket get the mountain folk vote? Does Iraq have hillbillies?

That would be the Northern Kurdish minority.

48 tradewind  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:31:35pm

re: #41 brookly red

/I'm just the straight man/
But I was hoping for that one.

49 Shug  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:31:39pm

They just need to count the hanging Chads

oh wait, that means something different in Iran

50 DEZes  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:32:06pm

re: #43 Nevergiveup

When ever I hear the resident Liberal Kristen Powers on FOX talk about "Pro" American Iranian Leaders I want laugh and hurl at the same time.

I have read very little, just a few paragraphs in yesterdays paper.
From what you just said, it must have been edited with a chainsaw.

51 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:32:14pm

re: #45 lawhawk

More troubling, the Obama Administration seems to ignore that as well, as based on Obama's statements regarding the elections there today.

He thinks that there's a robust debate. He thinks the elections there actually mean a choice for the Iranian people.

He ignores the fact that the mullahs vet the candidates - it's their choice, and the public chooses between the two guys that the mullahs want.

Remember this genius was a state legislator 5 short years ago? G-D saves.

52 brookly red  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:32:56pm

so does O call to congratulate ?

53 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:33:37pm

Iranians true to form.

54 DEZes  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:33:40pm

re: #49 Shug

They just need to count the hanging Chads

oh wait, that means something different in Iran

The two guys named Chad were gay, and American spies.
////

55 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:34:13pm

re: #51 Nevergiveup

Remember this genius was a state legislator 5 short years ago? G-D saves.

prove it...where are the records?...what did he do or write?...he's a living nirth cert

56 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:34:15pm

Challenger better check the O-rings.

57 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:34:28pm

re: #54 DEZes

The two guys named Chad were gay, and American Mossad spies.
////

FTFY

58 DEZes  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:34:40pm

re: #52 brookly red

so does O call to congratulate ?

If not in person.
/Half

59 Dahveed  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:35:04pm

Somehow I don't think they have a separate branch of governemtn called a judiciary that will independently review the outcome and apply the rule of law to determine if the will of the people was carried out.

60 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:35:05pm

re: #56 Alouette

Challenger better check the O-rings.

runner up gets the crane...hard core politics

61 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:35:07pm

re: #45 lawhawk

If the Iranian people had a choice the religious police would be gone and bars would be open again.

62 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:35:53pm

re: #56 Alouette

Challenger better check the O-rings.

Is it cold down there

64 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:35:59pm

re: #26 Nevergiveup

Well that was a sure bet

We all seem so shocked.

/////

65 screaming_eagle  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:36:01pm

re: #54 DEZes

The two guys named Chad were gay, and American spies.
////

And had squirrels for pets.

66 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:36:36pm

As leftists never tire of pointing out, Castro's protege Salvador Allende was also "freely elected." In lefty minds, that gave him the right to trample on the Chilean constitution, arm his communist militia and send them forth to terrorize opponents, shut down the free press, and otherwise make a mockery of the democratic process his apologists seem hell-bent on invoking.
A thousand years from now historians will cite the "brutal Chilean coup" as one of the most destructive myths of the twentieth century, along with the Vietnam war and the "horrors of McCarthyism."

67 Dekar  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:36:49pm

re: #61 Killgore Trout

If the Iranian people had a choice the religious police would be gone and bars would be open again.

Quoted for Truth

68 Dayenu  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:37:16pm

Frankly.... did anyone really expect anything different?

69 screaming_eagle  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:37:47pm

re: #68 Dayenu

Frankly.... did anyone really expect anything different?

Obama did.

70 brookly red  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:38:00pm

re: #58 DEZes

If not in person.
/Half


I smell a aid package coming...

71 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:38:11pm

re: #52 brookly red

so does O call to congratulate ?

I would bet that he would. I made the unfortunate decision to stop on an ABC "news" story about the election and George (dope) Stephanopolopdiopidilolous was seriously "reporting" that The Teleprompter Jesus actually might call if shorty won because shorty called him. I wish I was joking but I'm not.

72 DEZes  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:39:33pm

re: #70 brookly red

I smell a aid package coming...

Please dont give Ear leader any ideas.

73 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:39:36pm

...but challenger Mirhossein Mousavi alleged irregularities and claimed victory for himself............just before he was offered a last cigarette and a blindfold.

/you don't want to be a loser in Iran.

74 tradewind  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:39:52pm

re: #49 Shug

They just need to count the hanging Chads


...and Charlottes, and Sams, and Sallys.......

75 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:40:19pm

re: #71 Truck Monkey

I would bet that he would. I made the unfortunate decision to stop on an ABC "news" story about the election and George (dope) Stephanopolopdiopidilolous was seriously "reporting" that The Teleprompter Jesus actually might call if shorty won because shorty called him. I wish I was joking but I'm not.

they will all go down together...sucking up to Iran will be BOs worst nightmare

76 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:40:22pm

re: #73 IslandLibertarian

...but challenger Mirhossein Mousavi alleged irregularities and claimed victory for himself............just before he was offered a last cigarette and a blindfold.

/you don't want to be a loser in Iran.

They are all losers as long as the Mullahs are in charge.

77 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:40:24pm

Who will be Hugo's little buddy?

Will he take his navy with him?

78 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:40:31pm

re: #70 brookly red

I smell a aid package coming...

That could be read differently.

79 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:40:34pm

re: #61 Killgore Trout

If the Iranian people had a choice the religious police would be gone and bars would be open again.

Faster please, but the sad fact is that the people aren't going to rise up and do it - the secret police and the mullahs have seen to it.

80 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:40:41pm

re: #71 Truck Monkey

I would bet that he would. I made the unfortunate decision to stop on an ABC "news" story about the election and George (dope) Stephanopolopdiopidilolous was seriously "reporting" that The Teleprompter Jesus actually might call if shorty won because shorty called him. I wish I was joking but I'm not.

Get a life.

81 callahan23  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:40:49pm

re: #70 brookly red

I smell a aid package coming...

You actually can smell the spare-ribs at my place.
:-D

82 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:40:50pm

A few years ago, I listened to a lefty professor carry on for five minutes about oppression in South America, the horrible fate of "los desaperecidos," and so on. When it came time for questions, it turned out the fool did not even know the difference between Argentina and Brazil (he thought "Evita" was set in Brazil and they spoke Spanish there).

83 DEZes  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:40:50pm

re: #73 IslandLibertarian

...but challenger Mirhossein Mousavi alleged irregularities and claimed victory for himself............just before he was offered a last cigarette and a blindfold.

/you don't want to be a loser in Iran.

I was wondering around similar thoughts.

84 screaming_eagle  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:40:54pm

re: #72 DEZes

Please dont give Ear leader any ideas.

A bail-out for Iran. Oh the media spin on that one........

85 brookly red  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:41:26pm

re: #78 VegasRick

That could be read differently.

if only you are right...

86 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:41:57pm

re: #77 MandyManners

Who will be Hugo's little buddy?

Will he take his navy with him?

the tub baby is pretty funny...so close to the truth

87 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:42:48pm

re: #85 brookly red

if only you are right...

Takes too long.

88 tradewind  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:43:02pm

re: #79 lawhawk

Where are all the supposedly politically active, hellraising, Pepsi-swigging Seven-For All-Mankind-Jeans wearing youth who are going to change Iran from the inside?

89 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:43:08pm

I am signing off now for the Shabbat.

GO RED WINGS!

90 brookly red  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:43:28pm

re: #72 DEZes

Please dont give Ear leader any ideas.

/ well I am his trusted advisor...

91 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:43:33pm

re: #79 lawhawk

Faster please, but the sad fact is that the people aren't going to rise up and do it - the secret police and the mullahs have seen to it.

they could do it with massive help, but even then unless the Rep Guard turned it would be a bloodbath...it's doable tho imo

92 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:43:37pm

Anyone know what time the shuttle takes off tonight?

93 formercorpsman  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:43:47pm

re: #71 Truck Monkey

You know, you read my mind. Do you think they might somehow use this as a way of trying to get some sort of reconciliation as it relates to recognition of their government? At the very least, on some smaller scale?

The reason I ask, if they can get some barriers lifted, money freed up, this makes their position much easier work from.

94 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:43:54pm

re: #80 Cato the Elder

Get a life.

Sorry if I offended you.
/not

95 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:43:58pm

re: #88 tradewind

Where are all the supposedly politically active, hellraising, Pepsi-swigging Seven-For All-Mankind-Jeans wearing youth who are going to change Iran from the inside?

dead

96 Basho  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:44:04pm

This is madness!

97 brookly red  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:44:38pm

re: #87 VegasRick

Takes too long.

/not if launched from sea...

98 jcm  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:45:01pm

I guess the Mad Mullahs really don't give a flying f&%$ what Obama said in Cairo.

99 Zimriel  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:45:04pm

re: #7 Fat Bastard Vegetarian: Did Dinnerjacket get the mountain folk vote? Does Iraq have hillbillies?

re: #47 Truck Monkey:That would be the Northern Kurdish minority.

Not sure about that - Iran has hills everywhere - but Iran does have a rural, undereducated, resentful underclass even among Farsi speakers. In case you were wondering who could possibly join the Basij, when everyone on TV in Iran seems to be a pro-American westerniser - that's where you should look.

Watch "Persepolis". Among the horrors the upper middle class, Westernised urban elites came to face: That guy who used to wash their windows, whom everyone used to sneer and abuse - that guy turned out to be a pious Shi'ite. Under the new system, window-washer gets to decide who gets a passport and who didn't. He gets his own back upon the city slickers.

100 DEZes  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:45:07pm

re: #96 Basho

This is madness!

elaborate.

101 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:45:11pm

re: #97 brookly red

/not if launched from sea...

Good point!

102 Gus  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:45:23pm

re: #92 Nevergiveup

Anyone know what time the shuttle takes off tonight?

Thanks for the heads up.

Endeavour Launches
Sat. June 13, 7:17 a.m. EDT

[Link: www.nasa.gov...]

103 Randall Gross  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:46:02pm

ugh. Well if we don't see major unrest in the streets by tomorrow it's a done deal. What I expected.

OT: Hey, did you know it's National Oceans Month?

[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

104 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:46:33pm

re: #88 tradewind

Where are all the supposedly politically active, hellraising, Pepsi-swigging Seven-For All-Mankind-Jeans wearing youth who are going to change Iran from the inside?

Rotting in an Iranian prison - or tortured/hacked to death. None of that easy water-boarding stuff. The real deal.

105 tradewind  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:46:59pm

re: #92 Nevergiveup

"Zero Hour Nine AM" ?
Just guessing....

106 Shug  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:47:25pm

If Kwame Kilpatrick and Marion Barry can get reelected, nothing surprises me

107 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:47:55pm

re: #105 tradewind

"Zero Hour Nine AM" ?
Just guessing....

One day I'd love to see one go up live

108 captdiggs  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:48:05pm

A serious spanking for Obama.
Iran, the mullahs, have decided that they like the fact that they can tweak America's nose and pursue nukes with little to fear from the new American president.
Contrast that to Lebanon, where the voters blamed hezbollah for the losses suffered in the war with Israel and turned on them.

This is very bad news. Obama was counting on a new regime to validate his approach.

109 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:48:28pm

Does it matter which of them "wins" ?
Will anything really change ?

It'd be like Obama losing to Pelosi, from what I hear.

Still fucked.

110 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:48:35pm

re: #106 Shug

If Kwame Kilpatrick and Marion Barry can get reelected, nothing surprises me

The Dems' crack team.

111 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:49:14pm

re: #103 Thanos

ugh. Well if we don't see major unrest in the streets by tomorrow it's a done deal. What I expected.

OT: Hey, did you know it's National Oceans Month?

[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

sounds to me like the Feds want more action in the Great lakes region...the states are doing a fairly good job now keeping them clean...maybe they want to send Lake Michigan to Nevada...I'm always skeptical of federal involvement in state's issues

112 DEZes  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:49:41pm

re: #81 callahan23

You actually can smell the spare-ribs at my place.
:-D

Now thats just plain mean.
Tummy rumbles.

113 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:49:49pm

re: #110 Shiplord Kirel

The Dems' crack team.

They never caught Kwame doing drugs did they?

114 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:50:14pm

re: #93 formercorpsman

I would think that they might have a better opportunity to get something from Barry had they elected someone other than shorty.

115 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:50:15pm

re: #67 Dekar

Quoted for Truth

Iranians are party people. They love to drink and the women love western fasion. Most of them even like Americans. Iran is probably has the biggest population of pro-Americans anywhere in the region.

116 tradewind  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:50:41pm

re: #107 Nevergiveup

Watched one from the side of the road in FL years ago,,,,, even from a long way away, it was an unforgettable sight.

117 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:50:42pm

Obama won't rule out freeing Gitmo detainees in US

Despite fierce opposition in Congress, the White House insisted Friday it has not ruled out releasing Guantanamo Bay detainees in the United States. But with narrowing options, the administration has begun shipping newly cleared inmates abroad to regain momentum in its effort to close the Cuba-based prison camp.

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said the administration has not abandoned the possibility of releasing detainees in the U.S., but he added that national security considerations would govern any moves.

"We're not going to make any decisions about transfer or release that threatens the security of the country," Gibbs said at the end of a week in which nine detainees were transferred under high security to foreign nations, and one to the United States to face trial.

/it's a . . . Guantanamo day in your neighborhood, a Guantanamo day in your neighborhood

118 Basho  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:51:04pm

re: #100 DEZes

elaborate.

This is Sparta!

119 Shug  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:51:27pm

score update

Detroit 2
Pittsburgh 1

120 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:51:41pm

Damn this news sucks. I suppose I am not surprised however.

121 callahan23  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:51:48pm

re: #112 DEZes

Now thats just plain mean.
Tummy rumbles.

I am actually making up for the spare-ribs with toffee candies at 2:51AM.
:-(

122 Zimriel  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:52:05pm

re: #119 Shug

score update

Detroit 2
Pittsburgh 1

Population numbers this time next year?

123 tradewind  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:52:07pm

re: #114 Truck Monkey

Still, they Got Shorty.

124 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:52:10pm

re: #117 Killian Bundy

Obama won't rule out freeing Gitmo detainees in US

/it's a . . . Guantanamo day in your neighborhood, a Guantanamo day in your neighborhood

won't you be?
could you be?
won't you be my victim?

125 screaming_eagle  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:52:17pm

re: #117 Killian Bundy

/it's a . . . Guantanamo day in your neighborhood, a Guantanamo day in your neighborhood


A free GM vehicle for each detainee.......

126 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:52:43pm

21 million votes
0 purple fingers

127 DEZes  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:52:53pm

re: #118 Basho

This is Sparta!

300, fun movie.
and you may have a point.

128 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:53:00pm
129 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:53:11pm

re: #115 Killgore Trout

Iranians are party people. They love to drink and the women love western fashion. Most of them even like Americans. Iran is probably has the biggest population of pro-Americans anywhere in the region.

Yeah that is what we've been hearing but I am not so sure. Yeah, they like our culture,songs. cloths, iphones, but that doesn't necessarily translate into political support. I'll believe they are Pro- American when I see it.

130 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:53:14pm

re: #122 Zimriel

Population numbers this time next year?

murders within the last hour

131 tradewind  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:53:31pm

re: #110 Shiplord Kirel

DC politics is a real meth.

132 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:53:31pm

re: #113 Nevergiveup

They never caught Kwame doing drugs did they?

I think that he was just doing that political appointee. Marion Barry used to provide hours of entertainment for me. DC television market but didn't live in DC. Like watching the asylum from the other side of the fence.

133 DEZes  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:53:33pm

re: #121 callahan23

I am actually making up for the spare-ribs with toffee candies at 2:51AM.
:-(

You must work some strange hours.

134 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:53:47pm

re: #4 FrogMarch

The Mullahs won.

They would have if the other guy had taken the election too.

135 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:54:03pm
136 Chekote  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:54:04pm

For years now, I have been hearing about the Iranians being at odds with their regime. Some have even predicted an overthrow of the mullahs within months. Yet Ahmadinejad still comes out on top. Is it possible that all the intelligence that we are being fed about the Iranian people being pro-west, pro-west is wrong?

137 brookly red  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:54:32pm

re: #115 Killgore Trout

Iranians are party people. They love to drink and the women love western fasion. Most of them even like Americans. Iran is probably has the biggest population of pro-Americans anywhere in the region.

well sometime the government just don't represent the people, now does it?

138 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:54:40pm

re: #7 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Did Dinnerjacket get the mountain folk vote? Does Iraq have hillbillies?

They're called Kurds.

139 Randall Gross  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:54:46pm

re: #107 Nevergiveup

One day I'd love to see one go up live

You are running out of window, there aren't many shuttle flites left in the program

140 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:54:47pm

re: #118 Basho

This is Sparta!

I was wondering why I wasn't wearing shorts.
/

141 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:55:05pm

re: #137 brookly red

well sometime the government just don't represent the people, now does it?

we're discussing Iran not America

142 tradewind  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:55:14pm

re: #132 Truck Monkey

Just consider Barry (Marion) Memphis' gift to the District.
No returns, no exchanges.

143 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:55:35pm

re: #129 Nevergiveup

I think lizard JCM lived there. He'll tell you all about it.

144 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:55:40pm

re: #115 Killgore Trout

Iranians are party people. They love to drink and the women love western fasion. Most of them even like Americans. Iran is probably has the biggest population of pro-Americans anywhere in the region.

I've been hearing/ reading that since the days of Kohmeini. "the youth loves western culture ,,,, the academics are pro western'

Here we are 2+ decades later. You would think by now SOME of those "yutes" would have gotten older and assumed positions of authority!

145 kahall  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:55:42pm
Ahmadinejad Declares Victory in Iran Election


That's crazy. I don't know anybody that voted for him.

146 brookly red  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:56:08pm

re: #141 albusteve

we're discussing Iran not America

my bad.

147 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:56:10pm

re: #139 Thanos

You are running out of window, there aren't many shuttle flites left in the program

I know

148 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:56:18pm
149 tradewind  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:56:33pm

re: #138 SanFranciscoZionist

And like those other hillbillies, the Kurds are swimming in crude.
Oil, that is.
Black Gold. Texas Tea.

150 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:56:35pm

Wonderful.
The choad who has been running Iran into Armegeddon got re-elected.

...Still waiting on the "student uprisings and moderate clerics".... I assume I'll be waitomg for another decade, at least.

151 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:56:56pm

re: #136 Chekote

For years now, I have been hearing about the Iranians being at odds with their regime. Some have even predicted an overthrow of the mullahs within months. Yet Ahmadinejad still comes out on top. Is it possible that all the intelligence that we are being fed about the Iranian people being pro-west, pro-west is wrong?

by what strategy can the people oust the Mullahs?...having the will is not good enough

152 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:57:17pm

re: #143 Killgore Trout

I think lizard JCM lived there. He'll tell you all about it.

He lived there a long time ago and I am still waiting to see any Real Pro-American sentiment.

153 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:57:31pm

re: #144 sattv4u2

It's probably going to take a violent uprising to get the mullahs out. They might eventually vote to dissolve themselves like the Soviets did but that probably won't happen anytime soon.

154 Mithrax  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:57:33pm

re: #151 albusteve

More guns, willingness to sacrifice everything, and a desire to never give up no matter the cost.

155 jcm  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:58:04pm

re: #128 Iron Fist

This is surprising. The thug won the election. I'm sure by 97% of the vote or something. After all, Jimmy Carter says so, so it must be true.

OT, but this is serious.


They can't go after guns so they'll go after knives. It is still the insatiable drive of the Left to control every minute detail of the ownership of weapons. If this goes through, it doesn't sound like it will ban the ownership of such weapons. It will prohibit or restrict the interstate trafficing of such weapons.

Just the Democrats giving a little back where they can.

But knives are sharp, you might hurt yourself!

/nanny state

156 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:58:18pm

re: #82 Shiplord Kirel

A few years ago, I listened to a lefty professor carry on for five minutes about oppression in South America, the horrible fate of "los desaperecidos," and so on. When it came time for questions, it turned out the fool did not even know the difference between Argentina and Brazil (he thought "Evita" was set in Brazil and they spoke Spanish there).

He may have been a moron, but Argentina has gone through some pretty ugly times.

157 callahan23  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:58:35pm

re: #133 DEZes

You must work some strange hours.

Tomorrow is Saturday, hence no work. I'll sleep long.
On normal week days it is different. Then I sleep little at night and have a siesta after work. Not very healthy I know. That's just me. ;-)

158 brookly red  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:58:36pm

time to go out & play... good night all.

159 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:59:24pm

re: #129 Nevergiveup

Yeah that is what we've been hearing but I am not so sure. Yeah, they like our culture,songs. cloths, iphones, but that doesn't necessarily translate into political support. I'll believe they are Pro- American when I see it.

Ask JCM, he lived there. I used to play soccer with some Iranian kids back when I was one myself. They loved the USA and so did their family. But, they were rich as hell and fled the country after the fall of the Shah, so, they might not be a typical example. I know mt friend Azar had a "hot" sister though.

160 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:59:28pm
The state election commission said early Saturday that Ahmadinejad, a hardline conservative, was ahead with 66 percent of the votes

/anyone who's been paying attention to what's been going on in Iran for the last few weeks know there's no way in hell Ahmadinejad got 66% of the votes, did I mention the government has shut down all international phone and texting

161 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:59:29pm

re: #153 Killgore Trout

It's probably going to take a violent uprising to get the mullahs out. They might eventually vote to dissolve themselves like the Soviets did but that probably won't happen anytime soon.

And there lies the rub. The military is beholden to the mullahs. Just like China, any uprising (can you say Tienemen?) would/ is qiuckly and quietly squelched

162 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:59:31pm

re: #88 tradewind

Where are all the supposedly politically active, hellraising, Pepsi-swigging Seven-For All-Mankind-Jeans wearing youth who are going to change Iran from the inside?

Stoned. You may take that in either sense.

163 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:59:41pm
164 tradewind  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 5:59:51pm

Does this election mean we'll finally get to see the twelth imam?

165 Shug  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:00:02pm

re: #160 Killian Bundy

/anyone who's been paying attention to what's been going on in Iran for the last few weeks know there's no way in hell Ahmadinejad got 66% of the votes, did I mention the government has shut down all international phone and texting

he got 66% of the votes the mullahs let them count

166 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:00:11pm

re: #154 Mithrax

More guns, willingness to sacrifice everything, and a desire to never give up no matter the cost.

I said in #91 it's doable...but the practical aspects are overwhelming...where do the guns and ammo come from?...who will help them?

167 jordash1212  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:00:27pm

I have no reservations in my mind that the results are from foul play.

168 tradewind  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:00:50pm

re: #162 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm sure they have a preference.

169 DEZes  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:01:13pm

re: #157 callahan23

Tomorrow is Saturday, hence no work. I'll sleep long.
On normal week days it is different. Then I sleep little at night and have a siesta after work. Not very healthy I know. That's just me. ;-)

Yes tomorrow is Saterday, but I must open the shop anyway.
I am not happy about it either.
Do what works for you buddy. ;)

170 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:01:33pm

re: #86 albusteve

the tub baby is pretty funny...so close to the truth

Dontcha' just wanna' squeeze his wubber ducky?

171 Mithrax  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:01:41pm

re: #166 albusteve

I said in #91 it's doable...but the practical aspects are overwhelming...where do the guns and ammo come from?...who will help them?

Guns and ammo I don't know, but they shouldn't look to outside help otherwise they will just get let down in the end.

172 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:01:42pm

Wow.

173 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:01:52pm

re: #155 jcm

But knives are sharp, you might hurt yourself!

/nanny state

What do you think of the house bill that was passed today on tobacco? If the dems had any balls at all they would just outlaw cigs. I found it funny that The Teleprompter Jesus was out there praising the bill being passed and then hustling away for that furtive smoke. How hypocritical.

174 DEZes  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:02:06pm

re: #170 MandyManners

Dontcha' just wanna' squeeze his wubber ducky?

I refuse to touch that comment.

175 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:02:09pm

re: #170 MandyManners

Dontcha' just wanna' squeeze his wubber ducky?

Until he begs for mercy!

176 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:02:18pm

re: #159 Desert Dog

Ask JCM, he lived there. I used to play soccer with some Iranian kids back when I was one myself. They loved the USA and so did their family. But, they were rich as hell and fled the country after the fall of the Shah, so, they might not be a typical example. I know mt friend Azar had a "hot" sister though.

Persian girls are gorgeous. Actually, Persian guys are also pretty hot.

177 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:02:26pm

re: #170 MandyManners

Dontcha' just wanna' squeeze his wubber ducky?

yes, right down his throat...is that rude?

178 DEZes  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:03:00pm

re: #175 Nevergiveup

Until he begs for mercy!

Slam it in a car door. ;)

179 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:03:21pm

re: #171 Mithrax

Guns and ammo I don't know, but they shouldn't look to outside help otherwise they will just get let down in the end.

then the odds of success or like 100-1....probably worse

180 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:03:29pm

re: #173 Truck Monkey

What do you think of the house bill that was passed today on tobacco? If the dems had any balls at all they would just outlaw cigs. I found it funny that The Teleprompter Jesus was out there praising the bill being passed and then hustling away for that furtive smoke. How hypocritical.

If cigarette's are outlawed, only Indians will have them.....so, along with the casinos, they are cashing in on the Vices of the White Devils that enslaved them.

/

181 Randall Gross  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:03:56pm

A year after Dinnerjacket's first win they held a massive military exercise, this wasn't the usual "defend the gulf against the imperialists" type either. Sure they did some show missile launches etc. but mostly they fanned out to the restive provinces.

During the operation (Zolfaghar? or something like that, it's one of the swords of one of their shia prophets) lots of criminals in far flung provinces coincidentally got hung.

182 MrPaulRevere  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:04:07pm

Photo of the day: [Link: blog.foreignpolicy.com...]

183 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:04:20pm

re: #167 jordash1212

What's more troubling - the possibility the mullahs will throw an election

or...

That the Iranians actually would vote in this fashion.

The regime is in control of the media, so dissidents are the only real source of alternative news out of Iran (note that the Iranians went after Roxana Saberi for pretty much attempting journalism outside the constraints placed on her - and convicted her of crimes against the state). The dissidents, like those in Iraq - have an interest in getting the rest of the world to believe that they're far more widespread than they might actually be.

Skepticism is the name of the game.

184 DEZes  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:05:24pm

Well Lizards, I must take my leave.
Thanks for the company as always.
{Callahan}

185 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:05:35pm

re: #165 Shug

he got 66% of the votes the mullahs let them count

Plus the extra boxes the Mullahs had in storage.

186 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:05:39pm

re: #181 Thanos

A year after Dinnerjacket's first win they held a massive military exercise, this wasn't the usual "defend the gulf against the imperialists" type either. Sure they did some show missile launches etc. but mostly they fanned out to the restive provinces.

During the operation (Zolfaghar? or something like that, it's one of the swords of one of their shia prophets) lots of criminals in far flung provinces coincidentally got hung.

Sounds more like an announcement that the new President ain't fooling around. Wonder if he'll do that again, but this to make sure all the people that voted against him know that HE WON....a little reminder service?

187 Mithrax  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:05:51pm

re: #179 albusteve

then the odds of success or like 100-1....probably worse

There were a few times that thinking was prevailent.

1776? (remember the french came in later)

France 1780s?

India in the late 40s?

188 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:05:53pm

re: #182 MrPaulRevere

Photo of the day: [Link: blog.foreignpolicy.com...]

WOW. He looks baked!

189 Zimriel  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:05:54pm

re: #161 sattv4u2

And there lies the rub. The military is beholden to the mullahs. Just like China, any uprising (can you say Tienemen?) would/ is qiuckly and quietly squelched

Well, I can say "Tiananmen", but otherwise, yeah.

China has hillbillies too. China also has a rural underclass, who look at the overfed, educated demonstrators flying American flags in Tiananmen and want to get their own back.

There is a pattern here, for those who care to follow it.

190 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:05:59pm

re: #182 MrPaulRevere

Photo of the day: [Link: blog.foreignpolicy.com...]

I wish we had ministers like her?

191 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:06:03pm

re: #182 MrPaulRevere

Qhadafi (or Khadafi) was probably thinking to himself - she could do real well in my fembot bodyguard troupe.

She, on the other hand, had wondered what happened to her tablecloth. She now knew.

192 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:07:03pm

re: #185 Kosh's Shadow

Plus the extra boxes the Mullahs had in storage.

They have not even begun to count the Dead Mullahs in Chicago, or the absentee votes from Minnesota. Once that's done, Al Franken might be the new President of Iran?

193 Shug  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:07:05pm

re: #182 MrPaulRevere

Photo of the day: [Link: blog.foreignpolicy.com...]

He looks like the star of WEEKEND AT BERNIES

194 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:07:14pm

I know I'm OT, but every time I see Gov. Palin (just saw her) on TV I want her to be the face of the Republican Party.
She really doesn't care, which is the highest compliment I can pay someone. Her personal principles, and the reality of her life, put her so far above the dingleberries who peck at her that they are rendered irrelevant.

Sarah, wherever, whenever, you'll get my vote.

195 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:07:32pm

re: #119 Shug

score update

Detroit 2
Pittsburgh 1

I'm seeing 0-0 start of the second?

196 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:07:47pm

re: #192 Desert Dog

They have not even begun to count the Dead Mullahs in Chicago, or the absentee votes from Minnesota. Once that's done, Al Franken might be the new President of Iran?

Sounds like a band: Dead Mullahs in Chicago, playing tonight at Under the Hill.

197 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:07:51pm

if there was moral and strategic justification for taking down Hussein the it's double down with Iran...we have the firepower and the world would be better off with the Mullahs in chains...that we don't pursue their demise is enabling the deaths of others...you knew that tho

198 Randall Gross  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:08:06pm

re: #186 Desert Dog

Sounds more like an announcement that the new President ain't fooling around. Wonder if he'll do that again, but this to make sure all the people that voted against him know that HE WON....a little reminder service?

I'm thinking he did it more to clean out the opposition leadership. I think it was a year or two after his election, I remember Gateway and I carried posts with pics of some of the hangings. They were working mostly against the Kurds and the Sistan-Balochi dissidents.

199 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:08:10pm

Earlier, I made a somewhat obscure Lovecraft reference when I referred to "The Mad Persian Ahmadinejad."
(The author of Lovecraft's fictional Necronomicon is the mad Arab, Abdul Alharazed)

Which made me realize Ahmadinejad might be writing a book - the Nukeronomicon.

200 sadhu  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:08:17pm

1-0

201 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:08:46pm

re: #192 Desert Dog

They have not even begun to count the Dead Mullahs in Chicago, or the absentee votes from Minnesota. Once that's done, Al Franken might be the new President of Iran?

Better him than Ahmadinejad.

202 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:08:46pm

re: #188 Truck Monkey

WOW. He looks baked!

I can't speak Libyan, but I bet he asked for some cheetos.....lay off the Chronic, Muammar!

203 callahan23  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:09:20pm

re: #184 DEZes

Well Lizards, I must take my leave.
Thanks for the company as always.
{Callahan}

So am I, leaving this superb place of reasoned discussion for the night.
Love you (Lizards} - mostly.
{DEZes}

204 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:09:25pm

re: #195 VegasRick

I'm seeing 0-0 start of the second?

Well the game is being played in Detroit and you are in Vegas. The goals scored in Detroit haven't made it to Vegas yet on account of the time difference.
; )

205 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:09:39pm

re: #187 Mithrax

There were a few times that thinking was prevailent.

1776? (remember the french came in later)

France 1780s?

India in the late 40s?

idealism is still fashionable eh?...ain't gonna happen unless there is a huge paradigm shift...

206 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:09:46pm

re: #201 Kosh's Shadow

Better him than Ahmadinejad.

As much as I hate Al Franken, you are right

207 MrPaulRevere  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:09:47pm

re: #181 Thanos

Are you referring to common criminals or political dissidents or both?

208 ShanghaiEd  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:09:48pm

An interesting take from Foreign Affairs, in which an Iranian scholar theorizes that an Ahmadinejad loss might, counter-intuitively, be worse for the U.S. in the long run:

…the outcome of the presidential election in June will have some, although probably limited, ramifications for Iran’s foreign policy. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and his two major reformist rivals, Mir Hossein Mousavi and Mehdi Karroubi, have all supported engaging in negotiations with Washington — a political taboo just a few years ago.

Ahmadinejad would be less likely to compromise than his more moderate competitors, but, thanks to the support he has among major anti-American constituencies inside and outside the Iranian government, he would be in a better position to institutionalize any shift in policy.

Although Iran’s president can change tactical aspects of the country’s foreign policy, he cannot single-handedly alter its essence. Only Khamenei, the ultimate decider, can do that. And he will do that only if a fundamental change in policy would not undermine his own authority and if it enjoys broad support from among the major centers of power.

209 srb1976  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:10:05pm

evening folks, I see we're all shocked at Iran's election outcome...
Hope everyone is well.....

210 Chekote  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:10:14pm

having the will is not good enough

Well, defeating Ahmadinejah would indicated that the "intelligence" is correct. If there was such a yearning to move towards the West, Ahmadinejah would have lost.

211 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:10:21pm

re: #195 VegasRick

I'm seeing 0-0 start of the second?

re: #204 Truck Monkey

Well the game is being played in Detroit and you are in Vegas. The goals scored in Detroit haven't made it to Vegas yet on account of the time difference.
; )

I wish (we could ALL make some serious $$$$$$$'s)

212 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:10:25pm
213 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:10:32pm

re: #209 srb1976

evening folks, I see we're all shocked at Iran's election outcome...
Hope everyone is well.....

Shocked we are, to find there's gambling at Rick's.

214 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:10:44pm

The Yankees suck and I am starting to think maybe we might a new manager.

215 Randall Gross  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:11:03pm

re: #207 MrPaulRevere

Are you referring to common criminals or political dissidents or both?

They were "criminals" ... as in we aren't sure if they were real criminals.

216 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:11:19pm

re: #210 Chekote

having the will is not good enough

Well, defeating Ahmadinejah would indicated that the "intelligence" is correct. If there was such a yearning to move towards the West, Ahmadinejah would have lost.

the elections are a fraud...they mean nothing

217 ArmyWife  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:11:24pm

Hola honcos. So what makes this guy think there was funny business with the elections? Text messaging the day before elections happens ALL the time. Nothing hinky about it. Recount? Sure thing, but not until next week or so then we can give you the altered carefully preserved ballots.

218 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:11:34pm

re: #209 srb1976

evening folks, I see we're all shocked at Iran's election outcome...
Hope everyone is well.....

I am not shocked. I always expected short shit to win

219 jcm  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:12:02pm

re: #129 Nevergiveup

Yeah that is what we've been hearing but I am not so sure. Yeah, they like our culture,songs. cloths, iphones, but that doesn't necessarily translate into political support. I'll believe they are Pro- American when I see it.

The educated youth tilt western. They are really fed up with the mad mullahs.

There is a number of factors mitigating against uprising.
The culture of inshallah, it goes beyond religion it's a cultural phenomena even among more western looking individuals. The "fearful, fatalistic apathy" in Churchill's words. It's hard to get large groups of people to take serious action against the status quo when embedded in the culture is this fatalistic belief.

The Mad Mullahs do really have a tight grip. They've taken a page from the Chinese and the real enforcers of the Pasadran are from the rural areas and more uneducated and willing to follow orders.

The young generation whats a reasonable chance of success, they don't want to start something and fail, and end up up against a wall or at the end of a rope. If they had the unwavering support of the west, Europe and the US they'd be more likely to try.

220 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:12:14pm

re: #208 ShanghaiEd

An interesting take from Foreign Affairs, in which an Iranian scholar theorizes that an Ahmadinejad loss might, counter-intuitively, be worse for the U.S. in the long run:

I tend to agree, ozero would have claimed a victory even though nothing would have changed.

221 Randall Gross  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:12:18pm

re: #214 Nevergiveup

The Yankees suck and I am starting to think maybe we might a new manager.

Bah, the Yankees always suck, even when they win :P

222 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:12:23pm

re: #211 VegasRick

I wish (we could ALL make some serious $$$$$$$'s)

My parents had an old radio from the 20's or 30's and every time I turned it on as a kid I expected to hear radio shows from that era. It didn't work like that either.

223 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:12:27pm

SMS messages rise to 110 million a day amid presidential campaigns

Davoud Zareian, director of the Public Relations department in Iran’s Telecommunication Company, has said the number of SMS text messages has increased to 110 million a day as news of the presidential campaigns have been heating up.

Can't have that.

SMS system down in Iran just hours before election

Per Ghalam News and multiple Twitterers in Tehran, the SMS (Short Message Service) system in Iran has been taken down, just hours before polls open for Friday’s presidential election.

The Ghalam News report, translated from Persian, says that the popular network “was cut off throughout the country.” The action occurred just before midnight local time, less than nine hours before the start of elections. “All walks of life from all over the country” are discovering that “messages on different cell phone networks will not send.”

The disruption in communication occurred after reformist candidates have been increasingly using Twitter and text messaging to rally support, per the Wall Street Journal. Approximatey 110 millions SMS messages have been sent per day leading up to the election, according to The Tehran Times.

One Twitter account recently reminded people not to wear reformist color green when it heads to the polls, as the government has threatened not to allow such people to vote. It asked to spread the word via SMS but at least for now that is not possible.

/half of the population wasn't even alive during the 1979 revolution, how long can the mullahs keep the lid on?

224 Gus  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:12:35pm

Some Tweets coming in:

Club-Wielding Regime Thugs Take to the Streets in Iran

Teargas and batons being used on Mousavi supporters in Iran.

225 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:12:39pm
226 ArmyWife  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:12:56pm

re: #212 taxfreekiller

TFK - question: How do we get the message out without the loons taking over? Can we have a Ron Paul Free tea party? If so, I'm there. I'm not being ugly either, I really mean it.

227 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:12:58pm

re: #214 Nevergiveup

The Yankees suck and I am starting to think maybe we might a new manager.

BILLY MARTIN!

228 srb1976  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:13:25pm

re: #218 Nevergiveup

I am not shocked. I always expected short shit to win

Sorry, forgot the /.....
typing impaired....Little Man broke my thumb = )
Embarrassing...got my butt kicked by a 4 yr old

229 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:13:27pm

re: #219 jcm

And that all adds up to not much change

230 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:14:17pm

re: #227 Truck Monkey

BILLY MARTIN!

Is he available?
/

231 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:14:40pm

re: #227 Truck Monkey

BILLY MARTIN!

ran into a pole

232 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:14:50pm

re: #3 screaming_eagle

NO Hope
NOChange

screaming_eagle -

The question is - Where Does the "IRANIAN" MILITARY Stand? They have a chance to be Real Persians - will they take it? There lies the question AND Answer.

-S-

233 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:15:49pm

re: #228 srb1976

Sorry, forgot the /.....
typing impaired....Little Man broke my thumb = )
Embarrassing...got my butt kicked by a 4 yr old

My youngest daughter scratched my wife's cornea by mistake once when she was about that age. My poor wife was really in pain for a few days.

234 Maui Girl  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:16:01pm

Like we say here, same ole, same ole or Same Sh*t, new day. This is absolutely without a doubt, undeniably, unabashedly, no surprise.

235 jcm  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:16:03pm

re: #173 Truck Monkey

What do you think of the house bill that was passed today on tobacco? If the dems had any balls at all they would just outlaw cigs. I found it funny that The Teleprompter Jesus was out there praising the bill being passed and then hustling away for that furtive smoke. How hypocritical.

That's my feeling, if they are so bad ban them.

Quit dicking around. Right now too much money is to be made off smokers.

What's been happening is just BS.

236 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:16:44pm
237 srb1976  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:17:23pm

re: #233 Nevergiveup

My youngest daughter scratched my wife's cornea by mistake once when she was about that age. My poor wife was really in pain for a few days.

The thumb by itself wasn't bad....the splint is a real pain...esp. since it's my right thumb.....

238 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:17:29pm

re: #235 jcm

That's my feeling, if they are so bad ban them.

Quit dicking around. Right now too much money is to be made off smokers.

What's been happening is just BS.

Will this bill today make it easier for the Gov to raise the fed tax on smokes?

239 jcm  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:18:17pm

re: #229 Nevergiveup

And that all adds up to not much change

Not now.

The game book that we should use is Reagan / Thatcher / John Paul II's from Poland in the 80's.

Support them, give them material and intel. Let them do it.

240 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:18:21pm

re: #212 taxfreekiller

Tea Parties must be condemned. They exist outside of the Internet and the MSM (kinda like 99.9999% of what happens in the real world) , so they must be ignored or diminished.
Read your Obama primer and report to Re-Education Camp #65 at dawn.

241 srb1976  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:18:38pm

re: #238 Nevergiveup

Will this bill today make it easier for the Gov to raise the fed tax on smokes?

That, and start cutting back the addicitive ingredients so us junkies will smoke more.....then buy more....or give up and quit

242 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:18:52pm

re: #135 Iron Fist

Hence the large rallies where they chant "Death to America!" They really like us.

The Sturgis Biker Rally routinely draws hundreds of thousands of people. Therefore, all Americans are bikers.

243 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:19:19pm

re: #238 Nevergiveup

Will this bill today make it easier for the Gov to raise the fed tax on smokes?

Nevergiveup -

DING, DING, DING, DING, DING, DING, DING - I Smell a WINNER!

-S-

244 Oldasdirt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:19:42pm

Hello Gents,and Ladies,Just saw this lead in on Drudge.

Dozens of US cities may have entire neighbourhoods bulldozed as part of drastic "shrink to survive" proposals being considered by the Obama administration to tackle economic decline.

245 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:20:27pm

re: #239 jcm

Not now.

The game book that we should use is Reagan / Thatcher / John Paul II's from Poland in the 80's.

Support them, give them material and intel. Let them do it.

I don't think we have time for that and the stakes higher

246 Bloodnok  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:20:33pm

re: #244 Oldasdirt

Hello Gents,and Ladies,Just saw this lead in on Drudge.

Dozens of US cities may have entire neighbourhoods bulldozed as part of drastic "shrink to survive" proposals being considered by the Obama administration to tackle economic decline.

48 year rule on that one.

247 jcm  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:20:57pm

re: #241 srb1976

That, and start cutting back the addicitive ingredients so us junkies will smoke more.....then buy more....or give up and quit

But what about the Children?

(SCHIP gets lots of funding from cig taxes).

248 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:21:03pm

re: #241 srb1976

That, and start cutting back the addicitive ingredients so us junkies will smoke more.....then buy more....or give up and quit

smoking is very destructive to your arteries...I'm learning that the hard way....if you smoke quit

249 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:21:05pm

re: #244 Oldasdirt

Hello Gents,and Ladies,Just saw this lead in on Drudge.

Dozens of US cities may have entire neighbourhoods bulldozed as part of drastic "shrink to survive" proposals being considered by the Obama administration to tackle economic decline.

Oldasdirt -

Better Honest Squatters than Bulldozers. That is all.

-S-

250 MrPaulRevere  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:21:07pm

re: #215 Thanos

I forgot the 'criminal' is a fluid term in today's Iran. Obviously I have spent too much time in America /

251 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:21:33pm

re: #243 Dr. Shalit

Nevergiveup -

DING, DING, DING, DING, DING, DING, DING - I Smell a WINNER!

-S-

I don't smoke, just curious where they are going with this

252 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:21:49pm

re: #231 albusteve

ran into a pole

Mazeroski?

253 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:22:06pm

re: #246 Bloodnok

48 year rule on that one.

Forget that Urban Renewal crap, we are going straight to URBAN DESTRUCTION!

/

254 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:22:23pm

re: #252 VegasRick

Mazeroski?

good one...

255 ArmyWife  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:22:30pm

taking dogs for final stroll. BRB.

256 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:22:44pm

re: #238 Nevergiveup

Will this bill today make it easier for the Gov to raise the fed tax on smokes?

Yes. The government will be able to raise the taxes on and regulate the nicotine in cigarettes. Smokers are good for the gubmint. They pay confiscatory taxes for every pack they buy while at the same time, if they work, pay into a system in Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid that they might not even get because of a shorter life span.

257 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:23:01pm
258 sadhu  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:23:57pm

2-0, Pittsburg

259 jcm  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:24:11pm

re: #251 Nevergiveup

I don't smoke, just curious where they are going with this

Keep taxing it until they minimizes the unwanted behavior.
Then in the name of the children, raise taxes on everyone to replace the lose of tobacco revenue.

260 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:24:12pm

re: #241 srb1976

That, and start cutting back the addicitive ingredients so us junkies will smoke more.....then buy more....or give up and quit

It's my understanding that S-Chip is heavily funded through these taxes. If it's true, not 100% sure, then the less people smoke, the more they'll need alternative sources of $$ (more from you and me, sigh).

So they want smokers to quit but need the money....

Whatever will we do.

/Hide what you have...somewhere.

261 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:24:43pm

re: #259 jcm

Keep taxing it until they minimizes the unwanted behavior.
Then in the name of the children, raise taxes on everyone to replace the lose of tobacco revenue.

Then move on to Big Macs and Budweisers

262 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:25:10pm

re: #260 SasquatchOnSteroids

It's my understanding that S-Chip is heavily funded through these taxes. If it's true, not 100% sure, then the less people smoke, the more they'll need alternative sources of $$ (more from you and me, sigh).

So they want smokers to quit but need the money....

Whatever will we do.

/Hide what you have...somewhere.

done...

263 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:25:16pm

re: #255 ArmyWife

taking dogs for final stroll. BRB.

Why do you feel the need to kill them? Tomorrow is another day.... please reconsider.
//

264 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:25:40pm

re: #261 Desert Dog

Then move on to Big Macs and Budweisers

Sodas and candy.

265 jcm  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:25:54pm

re: #261 Desert Dog

Then move on to Big Macs and Budweisers

Ammo and reloading supplies.

266 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:26:26pm

re: #261 Desert Dog

Then move on to Big Macs and Budweisers

It would be Un-American to tax hamburgers, let them go after taco bell?

267 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:26:31pm

re: #264 VegasRick

Sodas and candy.

when they come for my Beef-O-Roni there will be blood

268 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:26:50pm

re: #251 Nevergiveup

I don't smoke, just curious where they are going with this

Nevergiveup -

I DO - and know where this is going - The "New, New Deal" - "Federal Excise Taxes" up the wazoo. "Sin" Taxes are the easiest. I remember well the "F.E.T." on Tires - count on that one too.

-S-

269 irongrampa  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:27:27pm

re: #194 Lincolntf

Was that the Lauer interview? She shredded him AND Lstterman in that.

270 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:27:27pm

re: #244 Oldasdirt

Hello Gents,and Ladies,Just saw this lead in on Drudge.

Dozens of US cities may have entire neighbourhoods bulldozed as part of drastic "shrink to survive" proposals being considered by the Obama administration to tackle economic decline.

Unions killed the steel industry in the "rust belt".
chickens coming home to roost.

271 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:27:40pm

re: #268 Dr. Shalit

Nevergiveup -

I DO - and know where this is going - The "New, New Deal" - "Federal Excise Taxes" up the wazoo. "Sin" Taxes are the easiest. I remember well the "F.E.T." on Tires - count on that one too.

-S-

don't smoke please

272 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:27:47pm

Bermuda row over Guantanamo inmates

Foreign Secretary David Miliband has been urged to explain how four Chinese detainees from Guantanamo Bay came to be released to a UK territory without Britain's knowledge.

An urgent security assessment is now under way after Bermuda accepted the Uighurs without consulting the Foreign Office - which retains authority over foreign and security issues.

"We have underlined to the Bermuda government that it should have consulted the UK on whether this falls within their competence or is a security issue for which the Bermuda government does not have delegated responsibility," a Foreign Office spokesman said.

"We have made clear to the Bermuda government the need for a security assessment which we are now helping them to carry out," he added, saying that the four did not have papers so could not travel elsewhere at present.

The deal to take the four, who the US government ruled were not enemy combatants, was agreed by Bermuda Premier Ewart Brown as US president Barack Obama bids to meet a pledge to close the controversial camp.

/good to see that Obama's unilaterally screwing other countries besides just the U.S.

273 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:27:47pm

re: #267 albusteve

when they come for my Beef-O-Roni there will be blood

Chef Boyardee?

274 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:27:49pm

re: #267 albusteve

when they come for my Beef-O-Roni there will be blood

Pry my dead cold fingers from my burrito!

275 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:27:59pm

re: #264 VegasRick

Sodas and candy.

Don't worry, Big Brotha will take care of you! Just drive this POS hybrid from Government Motors, don't drink, smoke or eat fast food and you will soon know the key to happiness!

hint hint - It'll be from your benevolent Federal Government, fear not....

/

276 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:28:12pm

re: #223 Killian Bundy

The Islamists are all they know. They don't know what life was life under a secularist styled government.

277 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:28:28pm

U.S. Sends to Saudi Arabia Gitmo Detainee Accused of Killing American
The detainee, Ahmed Zaid Salim Zuhair, was accused in the 1995 shooting death of William Jefferson of Camden, N.J.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Kill an America and go free

278 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:28:40pm

re: #273 Truck Monkey

Chef Boyardee?

my Man!

279 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:28:45pm

re: #268 Dr. Shalit

Nevergiveup -

I DO - and know where this is going - The "New, New Deal" - "Federal Excise Taxes" up the wazoo. "Sin" Taxes are the easiest. I remember well the "F.E.T." on Tires - count on that one too.

-S-

Get ready for a VAT....then EVERYTHING you buy will be taxed

280 jim in virginia  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:28:59pm

re: #235 jcm

That's my feeling, if they are so bad ban them.

Quit dicking around. Right now too much money is to be made off smokers.

What's been happening is just BS.

Philipp Morris supports the cigarette bill.
Because smoking is unhealthy it will protect their market share.
Never believe a bill's purpose is what Congress says it is.

281 iceman1960  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:29:41pm

Thank God Obama gave a speech and changed the world.

Is a sarc tag really necessary?

282 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:30:00pm

re: #272 Killian Bundy

Bermuda row over Guantanamo inmates

/good to see that Obama's unilaterally screwing other countries besides just the U.S.

Well Obama seems to take great pleasure in screwing both Israel and Great Britain.

283 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:30:19pm

re: #275 Desert Dog

Don't worry, Big Brotha will take care of you! Just drive this POS hybrid from Government Motors, don't drink, smoke or eat fast food and you will soon know the key to happiness!

hint hint - It'll be from your benevolent Federal Government, fear not....

/

If we all did this we would never die, thus causing a tidal wave of entitlement payments to flow from the treasury. They would have to start a lottery on who to kill just so the gubmint could save money.

284 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:31:00pm

re: #279 Desert Dog

Get ready for a VAT....then EVERYTHING you buy will be taxed

I think it's coming

285 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:31:07pm
286 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:31:17pm

Walk on out the door.

Youtube Video
287 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:31:20pm

re: #283 Truck Monkey

If we all did this we would never die, thus causing a tidal wave of entitlement payments to flow from the treasury. They would have to start a lottery on who to kill just so the gubmint could save money.

I see a movie plot in there.....perhaps we can grind up the old people and burdens on society and sell them as a tasty protein source? Naaaaaa

288 Shug  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:31:48pm

re: #195 VegasRick

I'm seeing 0-0 start of the second?

baseball score

:0

289 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:31:53pm

re: #287 Desert Dog

I see a movie plot in there.....perhaps we can grind up the old people and burdens on society and sell them as a tasty protein source? Naaaaaa

But is it green?

290 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:32:16pm

Will ShortShit take his supporting cast with him?

291 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:32:43pm

re: #271 albusteve

don't smoke please

Albusteve -

Many of "We" Ex- Leftists do. We are too old and too addicted at this point. One good point though. Where I live, many have WAY MORE EXPENSIVE HABITS. Good to know that in most of the nation, our habits can be handled at a Grocery Store. Of course I live in NJ - my BEER has to come from a Liqour Store!

-S-

292 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:32:44pm

re: #290 MandyManners

Will ShortShit take his supporting cast with him?

What, like Obama?

293 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:33:08pm

re: #275 Desert Dog

Don't worry, Big Brotha will take care of you! Just drive this POS hybrid from Government Motors, don't drink, smoke or eat fast food and you will soon know the key to happiness!

hint hint - It'll be from your benevolent Federal Government, fear not....

/

My dad had 4X bypass surgery and a few months later went for the stress test. Doc told him to quit smoking, quit drinking, quit gambling, quit chasing women and quit fatty foods. My dad asked him if that would help him live longer. Doc says "No, but it will seem like it!"
True story

294 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:33:12pm

re: #278 albusteve

First they came for the Beef a Roni, and I did not speak out because I didn't like Beef a Roni.

/Monkey Niemoller

295 jcm  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:33:12pm

re: #280 jim in virginia

Philipp Morris supports the cigarette bill.
Because smoking is unhealthy it will protect their market share.
Never believe a bill's purpose is what Congress says it is.

I don't smoke, don't like the and am allergic to the smoke.

It's just asinine the current system. But what can you expect out of the south end of a north bound ass?

296 Randall Gross  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:33:17pm

re: #250 MrPaulRevere

I forgot the 'criminal' is a fluid term in today's Iran. Obviously I have spent too much time in America /

Yeah, state run papers and mullah run courts == who knows?

297 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:33:51pm

re: #287 Desert Dog

I see a movie plot in there.....perhaps we can grind up the old people and burdens on society and sell them as a tasty protein source? Naaaaaa

MULCH!

298 Randall Gross  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:34:16pm

re: #287 Desert Dog

I see a movie plot in there.....perhaps we can grind up the old people and burdens on society and sell them as a tasty protein source? Naaaaaa

be soylent :) they will get on to our plans

299 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:34:44pm

re: #286 MandyManners

Walk on out the door.


[Video]

Hi Mandy,
I was a hater of disco in the 70's and 80's, but I did like that song (guilty pleasure).

300 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:35:01pm
301 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:35:01pm

The Democrat-Socialist's Single Payer health insurance plan - "it's not a Trojan horse, it's right there".

302 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:35:03pm

re: #295 jcm

I don't smoke, don't like the and am allergic to the smoke.

It's just asinine the current system. But what can you expect out of the south end of a north bound ass?

jcm -

FARTS - expect them to be Taxed as well. "Carbon Footprint," and all that.

-S-

303 jcm  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:35:14pm

Repost from this morning.

How Safeway Is Cutting Health-Care Costs
Market-based solutions can reduce the national health-care bill by 40%.

Effective health-care reform must meet two objectives: 1) It must secure coverage for all Americans, and 2) it must dramatically lower the cost of health care. Health-care spending has outpaced the rise in all other consumer spending by nearly a factor of three since 1980, increasing to 18% of GDP in 2009 from 9% of GDP. This disturbing trend will not change regardless of who pays these costs -- government or the private sector -- unless we can find a way to improve the health of our citizens. Failure to do so will make American companies less competitive in the global marketplace, increase taxes, and undermine our economy.
304 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:35:21pm

re: #297 Truck Monkey

MULCH!

sell it cheap to Flint....make a buck on the side

305 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:36:36pm

Saudi Princess in Hot Water Over $98G Unpaid Lingerie Bill

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

$98G? I wanta see those panties!

306 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:37:06pm
307 jcm  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:37:28pm

re: #302 Dr. Shalit

jcm -

FARTS - expect them to be Taxed as well. "Carbon Footprint," and all that.

-S-

Just the human version of a methane capture system.

308 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:37:51pm

re: #291 Dr. Shalit

Albusteve -

Many of "We" Ex- Leftists do. We are too old and too addicted at this point. One good point though. Where I live, many have WAY MORE EXPENSIVE HABITS. Good to know that in most of the nation, our habits can be handled at a Grocery Store. Of course I live in NJ - my BEER has to come from a Liqour Store!

-S-

I understand...the results of smoking will probably kill me so I look at it differently now...I'm 57 and pretty much doomed from my old habits...jus sayin

309 MrPaulRevere  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:38:34pm

re: #306 taxfreekiller

Beware the do-gooder, for while they came to do good, they ended up doing very well indeed.

310 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:38:39pm

re: #308 albusteve

I understand...the results of smoking will probably kill me so I look at it differently now...I'm 57 and pretty much doomed from my old habits...jus sayin

Do you still smoke?

311 Oldasdirt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:38:58pm

re: #308 albusteve

I understand...the results of smoking will probably kill me so I look at it differently now...I'm 57 and pretty much doomed from my old habits...jus sayin

Same here.

312 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:39:05pm

re: #291 Dr. Shalit

Albusteve -

Many of "We" Ex- Leftists do. We are too old and too addicted at this point. One good point though. Where I live, many have WAY MORE EXPENSIVE HABITS. Good to know that in most of the nation, our habits can be handled at a Grocery Store. Of course I live in NJ - my BEER has to come from a Liqour Store!

-S-

As an Official member of the Snarky Ex-Smoker Club, I can tell you that once you quit, regardless of your age or how long you have been smoking, you will feel better. Your food will taste better, you will not get winded walking down the hall in your house, you will not carry around that lovely smoker's aroma.....It's all pluses to quit......you save money and you improve your health. My parent are both in their 70's and they both quit about a year ago. They tell me it is the best thing they have done to improve their lives lately.....I hope you can quit.

313 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:39:07pm

re: #307 jcm

Just the human version of a methane capture system.

Feed me certain food and strap that my back and I bet I could fill it!

314 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:39:52pm

re: #310 Truck Monkey

Do you still smoke?

no...but it's a done deal...I will pay severely and wish to god I'd never started

315 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:39:55pm

People will find a way to get fucked up and fuck themselves up. Always have, always will.
I remember watching a cop show one night where they stopped a kid with a trench coat walking down the street, dude had something like 10 cans of paint tucked away in that thing. Huffer.
Take away the cigs, they'll be smoking corn leaves with dried up grass stuffed in them.

316 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:40:55pm

re: #307 jcm

Just the human version of a methane capture system.

I prefer the alternative method.....not as earth friendly though

Youtube Video
317 Randall Gross  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:41:19pm

OldasDirt:

Sentinel Radio and that crowd == Just another nirther nuthouse nexus.

318 Oldasdirt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:42:00pm

re: #317 Thanos

Thanks

319 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:42:06pm

re: #315 SasquatchOnSteroids

People will find a way to get fucked up and fuck themselves up. Always have, always will.
I remember watching a cop show one night where they stopped a kid with a trench coat walking down the street, dude had something like 10 cans of paint tucked away in that thing. Huffer.
Take away the cigs, they'll be smoking corn leaves with dried up grass stuffed in them.

Well helloooooo Mr. Jolly!
/

320 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:43:07pm

re: #308 albusteve

I understand...the results of smoking will probably kill me so I look at it differently now...I'm 57 and pretty much doomed from my old habits...jus sayin

albusteve -

Same age - AND - slim and Ornery enough to believe I will bury most of my friends. The rest of my life is in order - Good Job, Good Woman, Good Dog, Semi Good Child.

-S-

321 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:43:25pm

re: #319 VegasRick

heh.

322 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:43:27pm

re: #320 Dr. Shalit

albusteve -

Same age - AND - slim and Ornery enough to believe I will bury most of my friends. The rest of my life is in order - Good Job, Good Woman, Good Dog, Semi Good Child.

-S-

323 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:43:37pm

re: #319 VegasRick

Well helloooooo Mr. Jolly!
/

I'm Jonesing for some corn man.....Jonesing baaaaad

324 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:43:41pm
325 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:44:01pm

OK Yankees back on top of the Mets, I guess the world will not end just yet.

326 jcm  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:44:23pm

Arrogance on Display.

“We are excited to see what appears to be a robust debate taking place in Iran and obviously, after the speech that I made in Cairo, we tried to send a clear message that we think there’s a possibility of change and, ultimately, the election is for the Iranians to decide but just as what has been true in Lebanon, what can be true in Iran as well, is that you’re seeing people looking at new possibilities [sic], and whoever ends up winning the election in Iran, the fact that there’s been a robust debate hopefully will help advance our ability to engage them in new ways.”

Obama's statement this morning on Iran's elections.

There hasn't been any damn debate, the Mad Mullahs made up their minds a while ago. This election like those in other Thugocracies is so IDIOTS like you will say "oh the people choose."

Apparently Obama subscribes to the Rabbit Bait school of diplomacy.
"In a democracy, I realize you don't need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that's the dictator, because he speaks for all the people."

327 iceman1960  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:45:05pm

re: #307 jcm

Just the human version of a methane capture system.

Could you imagine explaining this on career day at your kids school?

328 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:45:12pm

re: #323 Desert Dog

I'm Jonesing for some corn man.....Jonesing baaaaad


psst...sweet

or horse.

I gots it all.

329 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:45:25pm

Good Evening LGF
Go you Penguins!

330 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:45:28pm

re: #322 albusteve

I have has a colorful life and few regrets...but suddenly life is too short and it's pretty scarey

331 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:45:33pm

re: #324 Iron Fist

Two words: Black Market.

For everything. With a little effort Obama will have our economy up to Soviet standards before his first President-for-Life term is over.

Well dictating what cars should be build is a hell of a start. Right out of the old planed economy play book.

332 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:45:41pm

re: #321 SasquatchOnSteroids

heh.

Couldn't resist. Updinged ya for being cool about it.

333 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:46:11pm

re: #330 albusteve

Everything ok over there, Steve?

334 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:46:34pm

re: #327 iceman1960

Could you imagine explaining this on career day at your kids school?

that you designed it or are wearing it?

335 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:46:59pm

re: #330 albusteve

We all get to that point eventually.

336 jcm  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:47:06pm

re: #327 iceman1960

Could you imagine explaining this on career day at your kids school?

Especially if it was the 6 or 7th grade........

337 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:47:37pm

re: #330 albusteve

I have has a colorful life and few regrets...but suddenly life is too short and it's pretty scarey

I'm having that same experience..............and I cleaned up 22 years ago........next month 58............how the fuck did that happen?

338 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:47:59pm

re: #336 jcm

Especially if it was the 6 or 7th grade........

It would be COOL in that age.....if you bring that thing for a High School event, your teenager will be on suicide watch

339 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:48:09pm

re: #333 Desert Dog

Everything ok over there, Steve?

not exactly...I've had a very discouraging and painful year, but I will forge ahead just like anyone else would

340 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:48:46pm

re: #330 albusteve

Life, everybody gets one..........and no one gets out alive.

341 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:48:53pm

White House: US may confront ships near NKorea

The Obama administration said Friday it is prepared to confront ships believed to be carrying contraband materials to North Korea but will not try to forcibly board them, in accordance with new U.N. sanctions.

White House officials said they expect North Korea to act "irresponsibly" to the sanctions, imposed Friday by the U.N. Security Council in response to the communist nation's recent nuclear tests. The sanctions include expanding an arms embargo and authorizing searches of ships thought to be carrying banned items to North Korea, such as materials that could be used in nuclear weapons development.

But the Obama administration has decided it will not react to whatever new action Pyongyang takes, such as another nuclear test, officials said. North Korea has said it would view new sanctions as a declaration of war. One reason the White House is signaling now it won't seek any new action is that it received approval for a tough sanctions regime from the Security Council — though lacking the ability to use force to interdict and inspect ships — and is not likely to get anything tougher anytime soon.

"We're not going to jump to their drummer," Susan Rice, U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, told reporters at the White House. "We're going to implement this sanctions regime to the fullest possible extent."

Well, isn't that special, can we board and inspect your ship, pretty please?

/sanctions about as useful as a third tit on a boar

342 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:49:03pm

re: #331 Nevergiveup

Well dictating what cars should be build is a hell of a start. Right out of the old planed economy play book.

Nevergiveup -

Think - PONTIAC AZTEK. That is probably more than enough. And for those that remember, my company bought one for a no credit employee. Decent drivetrain, still ugly as they come.
P.S. Based on the "Ugly" Factor we bought it Verrry Cheap.

-S-

343 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:49:30pm
344 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:49:35pm

re: #339 albusteve

not exactly...I've had a very discouraging and painful year, but I will forge ahead just like anyone else would

Keep your chin up brother.

345 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:49:48pm

re: #340 IslandLibertarian

Life, everybody gets one..........and no one gets out alive.

Next time i need to be cheered up, remind me not to call you?
"and no one gets out alive."
/

346 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:50:50pm

re: #341 Killian Bundy

I thought it was tits on a bull, but what do I know?

347 iceman1960  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:50:51pm

re: #336 jcm

Especially if it was the 6 or 7th grade........

Definitely not for the
Faint of heart!
Try saying that 3 times as fast as you can kids.

348 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:52:13pm

re: #340 IslandLibertarian

Life, everybody gets one..........and no one gets out alive.

true dat

349 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:52:25pm

re: #330 albusteve

I have has a colorful life and few regrets...but suddenly life is too short and it's pretty scarey

Sorry to hear it.
I hope you can beat the odds.

350 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:52:31pm

re: #347 iceman1960

Definitely not for the
Faint of heart!
Try saying that 3 times as fast as you can kids.

Hoof Hearted
Ice Melted
3X

351 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:52:32pm
352 tradewind  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:52:37pm

re: #192 Desert Dog

Al Franken might be the new President of Iran?


I'd be willing to talk to 'em about a swap.......

353 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:53:01pm

re: #344 VegasRick

Keep your chin up brother.

I will indeed...it ain't over til it's over

354 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:53:07pm

Listening to the radio news earlier there was side discussion about how the mullahs actually run Iran and how this election is mostly meaningless. No problem with their take, right? 'cept, they kept referring to the mullahs as "The Cleric's". I wanted to reach through the radio and smack the ignorance out of 'em.

355 srb1976  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:53:16pm

re: #346 Nevergiveup

I thought it was tits on a bull, but what do I know?

Daddy always said "tits on a boar hog".....

356 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:53:32pm

re: #353 albusteve

I will indeed...it ain't over til it's over

And when ya get to the fork in the road, take it.

357 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:54:15pm

re: #345 Nevergiveup

Next time i need to be cheered up, remind me not to call you?
"and no one gets out alive."
/

Oh, wait, I looked on my magic unicorn rainbow list and there it was..."Nevergiveup" gets a pass. And, uh, your tax cut will be followed by a stimulus check.
Sorry for the mix-up.
/well, ok, only the stimulus is real, but not for me and you...........

358 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:54:29pm

Why don't you take me down to Memphis on a mid-night ride?

Youtube Video
359 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:54:37pm
360 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:54:39pm

re: #353 albusteve

I will indeed...it ain't over til it's over

Some folks think that is when it just begins. I do.

361 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:54:46pm

re: #343 Iron Fist

Carter has a real affinity for dictatorship. He always has. And now the Democrats have magically rehabilitated the old monster, and made him a prominent spokes-snake for the Party. We're seeing and hearing more from Jimmy Carter now than we have since he failed at his set task of destroying the country.

Iron Fist -

Former President Carter was the architect of "the Agreed Framework" with the DPRK. Same has given us 15 years of relative "peace" and constant "agita" in North Asia. Perhaps the peace makes the agita tolerable, perhaps not.

-S-

362 ArmyWife  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:55:00pm

re: #343 Iron Fist

Does this surprise you? Carter should be thrilled that Obama is so incredibly dense. But for this Carter would have remained merely annoying rather than his present position of Annoying and Dangerous Czar.

363 WindHorse  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:55:23pm

albusteve.... my advice..... get on line, buy a set of the Marx Bros. movies and watch them all (several times). Laughter is good for you emotionally and physically....

Then buy anything you can by Norman Cousins... and read it....

The power of positive thinking man....

hang in there.

364 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:56:03pm
365 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:56:04pm

re: #351 Iron Fist

I know how you feel. I turn forty in a couple of weeks. Damn, but where did all of the time go?


funny how it picks up speed the older you get...live free and robust and take care of your people...there is no more to it than that really

366 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:56:15pm

re: #355 srb1976

Daddy always said "tits on a boar hog".....

My daddy used to say "Moron! Get you ass over here!" It was really sweet.

367 ArmyWife  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:56:38pm

re: #350 VegasRick

Hoof Hearted is my favorite race horse.

Youtube Video
368 jim in virginia  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:56:41pm

re: #312 Desert Dog

As an Official member of the Snarky Ex-Smoker Club, I can tell you that once you quit, regardless of your age or how long you have been smoking, you will feel better. Your food will taste better, you will not get winded walking down the hall in your house, you will not carry around that lovely smoker's aroma.....It's all pluses to quit......you save money and you improve your health. My parent are both in their 70's and they both quit about a year ago. They tell me it is the best thing they have done to improve their lives lately.....I hope you can quit.


My sister smoked since she was 16, died of emphysema at 53. It is not pleasant.

369 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:56:44pm

re: #257 taxfreekiller

#226

The July 4th deal at South Fork Ranch near Dallas just may be Laup Nor free, all the people ms tfk and I have met and are working with are dead set that the Laup Nors will have no part in the deal.

Mark Davis of 820 A.M. local talk show guy is in, Jeff Bolton and John David Wells of 570 A.M. local talk shows are in, as you have heard Michelle Malkin will speak, Jeb Hensarling a very good local R Congressman (Dr.) , and others, we are hoping to get big name gun toting guitar player too.
So yes, it can be done, the deal is the msm and others lies about any thing not pure Obama lust.

I just don't have the patience to repeatedly debunk your Tea Party which is personally fundended by Ron Paul himself (along with Glenn Beck). They hosted a speech by a promeinent 9-11 Truther just last week. Keep lying, willing dupes will believe you. I'm sure it will work out for the best in the end.

370 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:56:52pm

re: #356 Nevergiveup

And when ya get to the fork in the road, take it.

is it sterling?

371 Randall Gross  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:56:59pm

MGM digital media: Outer Limits - The man who was never born

Youtube Video


Also declaring FNDT since nobody else has

372 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:57:54pm

re: #359 Iron Fist

"Send in the Cleric!"

[/Dungeons and Dragons]

Here comes the Judge!

Youtube Video
373 srb1976  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:58:04pm

re: #366 VegasRick

My daddy used to say "Moron! Get you ass over here!" It was really sweet.


Wow...I was gonna leave that part out, but I see you've met him too = )

374 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:58:15pm

About 20 minutes ago MSNBC was gushing about the Iranian elections - the only thing lacking...rose petals.

I do hope someone caught it.

375 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:58:16pm

re: #371 Thanos

MGM digital media: Outer Limits - The man who was never born

Youtube Video


Also declaring FNDT since nobody else has

Damn! And I gotta leave. Damn!

376 ArmyWife  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:58:23pm

re: #353 albusteve

I will keep you in my thoughts. I kinda like you. ;)

377 eon  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:58:25pm

re: #280 jim in virginia

Philipp Morris supports the cigarette bill.
Because smoking is unhealthy it will protect their market share.
Never believe a bill's purpose is what Congress says it is.

Good evening (again), Lizards.

Myself, I'll believe that they're serious about getting people off tobacco when they abolish Federal price supports for tobacco farming. Like a lot of farm products, price supports help tobacco growers stay afloat. I can understand such supports for food crops, but for a product that they have been telling us we shouldn't consume for forty years?

I've also noticed that the people most likely to be strongly in favor of an outright ban on tobacco are also the ones most likely to favor legalization of "recreational" drugs, like marijuana. While claiming with a straight face that;

1. Such a ban will not create a "black market" in tobacco products;

2. That such a ban is "enforceable" (while simultaneously claiming that any such attempt viz. "pot" is futile); and

3. That you cannot compare marijuana and tobacco, as "pot" is harmless while tobacco is deadly. (Marijuana, BTW, contains about as much "tar" content as Virginia tobacco, in most strains.)

I used to think this was rank hypocrisy, but I have now come to the conclusion that the legislators, "activists", etc., who hold such opinions are simply incapable of reasoned, logical thought. which probably explains why they became politicians and "social reformers" to begin with. As actual intelligence seems to be unnecessary for either vocation.

cheers

eon

378 Gus  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:58:41pm

Regarding the "bulldozing" cities report. The bulldozing wording is just a generalization of the idea being promoted by a Daniel Kildee, Genesee County Treasurer & Teresa Gillotti, Genesee Institute Research Fellow, Flint/Michigan. The general idea is as follows and I'll let you guys figure out the details but to me it seems as though it grants eminent domain and ownership to the municipality:

Land Banks as Revitalization Tools:
The example of Genesee County and the city of Flint, Michigan

Compounding the abandonment problem was the state’s tax foreclosure system. Under Michigan's former system of tax foreclosure, abandoned properties were either transferred to private speculators through tax lien sales or became state-owned property through foreclosure. The former system even encouraged low-end reuse of tax reverted land due to of the length of time between abandonment and reuse – often more than five years. A series of changes to Michigan law have provided an opportunity for Michigan’s counties. The amount of time it takes to foreclose on a property has been cut in half, and clear title can be passed to the county or the state.

Formed in 2002, the Genesee County Land Bank is a leading example of the role land banks can play in preventing tax foreclosure and finding the opportunities in reusing tax reverted property. The Land Bank provides a series of programs to the community including a Brownfield Redevelopment Plan for the entire inventory of tax-foreclosed property under the control of the Land Bank. This has allowed for financing of demolition, redevelopment projects and cleanup efforts.

You can read more about the Genesee Institute here. It includes an article called "The Man Who Owns Flint" and the following is an excerpt:

If even that modest revival [in Flint, MI] is going to take place, government has to play a role, and Kildee has stretched the bounds of his job title to make sure he’s the one to do it. Using state laws that he helped to write, Kildee has amassed a vast property portfolio throughout Genesee County. Most of it is in Flint, and the bulk of it is vacant lots and boarded-up homes. By virtue of his desire to put as much of this land as possible to productive use, Kildee has become, for all intents and purposes, Flint’s chief city planner as well as its most powerful landlord and premier developer. Along the way, he’s invented new revenue streams to help pay for demolition work, property maintenance and a 13-person staff to run the whole enterprise. “I didn’t run for county treasurer because the idea of wearing green eye shades just thrilled me,” Kildee admits. “I ran because I knew there were ways to do things beyond the current definition.”

I know, perhaps it's a stretch and these proposals are merely being presented to the White House for nation wide promotion but it does seem like government extending its grasp and getting into the real estate development business (or increasing it's role beyond "urban renewal" type development). Sort of like diversifying from "Government Motors" to "Government Real Estate Investment, LLC."

[Link: www-iurd.ced.berkeley.edu...]
[Link: www.geneseeinstitute.org...]
[Link: www-iurd.ced.berkeley.edu...]

379 1SG(ret)  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:58:44pm

54 today. Quit smoking 3 weeks ago. New taxes was the last straw for me. My wife says, our grocery bill has gone up about $100 bucks this month, and I've gained 11 pounds. I may die just as fast "fat" (can't run, knees are shot), but I feel better about not paying the taxes.

PS: realized recently my wife's perfume stinks, so I bought her some new stuff for my B-Day!

380 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:58:50pm
381 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:59:00pm

It's been such a long time since 1976.


Youtube Video
382 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 6:59:17pm

re: #351 Iron Fist

I'm 38 and anticipating a run back up to the hometown in July. If I show, it means I absolutely have to (long story, but it was a "sacred pledge" ) play for the local bar's softball team.
Do they not know that I could've become frail in the last year or two?! Bastard youngsters.
Guarantee I pull a hammy or pop a shoulder, but they don't care. Bastids!

383 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:00:14pm

re: #376 ArmyWife

I will keep you in my thoughts. I kinda like you. ;)

thanks...I'm okay for awhile...if I could inspire just one person to give up tobacco it would me alot to me

384 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:00:19pm

re: #371 Thanos

MGM digital media: Outer Limits - The man who was never born


[Video]

Also declaring FNDT since nobody else has

Thanos -

All 'y'all mean that TV Play with "Mr. Spock" playing the male lead?

-S-

385 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:01:36pm

TFK's ron paul free Tea Party: Constitution Classes

Michael Badnarik

# Iraq War: Badnarik supports a rapid withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq, while providing for repair to Iraqi infrastructure damaged by U.S. action.
# Military draft: Badnarik opposes any reinstatement of a military draft.
# 9/11 Truth: Badnarik has signed the 9/11 Truth Statement calling for new investigations of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, including the failure of US intelligence to act on warnings of upcoming attacks, the breakdown of military air defense, and the nature of the investigations.[12] The Statement has also been signed by the other 2004 Presidential candidates Ralph Nader and David Cobb. Badnarik has also mentioned that he would fight Al-Qaeda if he was elected president.

386 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:02:13pm

re: #367 ArmyWife

Hoof Hearted is my favorite race horse.


[Video]

And my favorite:

Secretariat - Belmont Stakes 1973

Youtube Video
387 jcm  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:02:30pm

re: #361 Dr. Shalit

Iron Fist -

Former President Carter was the architect of "the Agreed Framework" with the DPRK. Same has given us 15 years of relative "peace" and constant "agita" in North Asia. Perhaps the peace makes the agita tolerable, perhaps not.

-S-

Carter was willing to sell whole populations into slavery. For what he called "peace."

I sure those living in Iran, Zimbabwe, Afghanistan, North Korean all enjoyed the ensuing peace.

388 ArmyWife  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:02:45pm

re: #379 1SG(ret)

as the wife of an active duty 1SG, I had to laugh with the "stinks" comment - it sounds strangely familiar...

389 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:03:07pm

re: #381 MandyManners

It's been such a long time since 1976.

Youtube Video

Pre-dates the mullahs. In fact, this was one of the few good things to come out during the Carter Administration.

390 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:03:19pm

WTF. Seriously. WTF.

Hoping for an Ahmadinejad win? Really? Why?

Problem though is that the alternative is no better than Ahmadinejad. And it ignores the reality that the mullahs are the ones who approve these guys to run in the first place. They're not going to allow someone who might upset their apple cart to run for office.

And there's another problem with the thesis that a power change would result in thawing diplomatic relations don't remember their history.

Rafsanjani was seen as a reformer - he pushed for nukes.
He was replaced with Khatami. Who pushed for nukes.
He was replaced by a reformer - Ahmadinejad. Who pushes for nukes when he's not calling for genocide.

Yeah, those reformers are real winners.

The reforms they're pushing are of the economic variety, and not the kind that results in Iran giving up their intentions globally or regionally. Iran's mullahs have been pursuing nukes for years. A change from Ahmadinejad isn't going to alter their goal.

391 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:03:27pm

re: #337 IslandLibertarian

I'm having that same experience..............and I cleaned up 22 years ago........next month 58............how the fuck did that happen?

If you don't mind my intrupting -bean there- you lucked out 57 - keep rollin' and don't bitch. ;)

392 ShanghaiEd  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:03:36pm

re: #346 Nevergiveup

I thought it was tits on a bull, but what do I know?

For my granddad, it was "a watch-pocket on a jackrabbit."

393 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:03:51pm

re: #389 MandyManners

Pre-dates the mullahs. In fact, this was one of the few good things to come out during the Carter Administration.

Not that I'm giving that cat-killing bastard any credit.

394 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:04:04pm
395 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:04:51pm

re: #390 lawhawk

Was ShortShit one of the hostage-takers?

396 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:05:46pm

re: #395 MandyManners

No , I don't think so. I think that claim has been debunked.

397 jcm  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:06:05pm

re: #394 Iron Fist

Everybody has to go sometime, and starving to death is a beautiful way to die if you think about it...

I hear choking on peanuts isn't bad either........

398 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:06:17pm

re: #396 Killgore Trout

No , I don't think so. I think that claim has been debunked.

I don't think that is true.

399 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:06:58pm

re: #390 lawhawk

People who look to Iranian "election results" to determine the popular will are delusional.
Here's a clue for the still-puzzled analysts: it's Iran, Sharia wins.

400 Randall Gross  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:07:05pm

re: #379 1SG(ret)

54 today. Quit smoking 3 weeks ago. New taxes was the last straw for me. My wife says, our grocery bill has gone up about $100 bucks this month, and I've gained 11 pounds. I may die just as fast "fat" (can't run, knees are shot), but I feel better about not paying the taxes.

PS: realized recently my wife's perfume stinks, so I bought her some new stuff for my B-Day!

Happy B-Day, same day as GHW Bush.... here's what he did:

Youtube Video
401 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:07:22pm

re: #386 Nevergiveup

And my favorite:

Secretariat - Belmont Stakes 1973


Secretariat was a beast...I won the Derby pool at work with him...almost 300$

402 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:07:42pm
403 eon  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:08:12pm

re: #384 Dr. Shalit

Thanos -

All 'y'all mean that TV Play with "Mr. Spock" playing the male lead?

-S-

Nope. Rollin Hand, alias Commander Koenig from Moonbase Alpha. ;-).

Nimoy was in "I, Robot" (as a smarta$$ reporter), and "Production and Decay of Strange Particles" as a reactor tech who ended up as one of the aforementioned particles.

/real old time OL geek, here.

cheers

eon

405 jcm  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:08:36pm

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the 1979-1981 U.S. Embassy Takeover

Five former American hostages confirmed that Ahmadinejad as one of their captors. William J. Daugherty, a former intelligence officer, said he saw Ahmadinejad 8 to 10 times at the start of his captivity: "I recognized him right off. … I remember so much his hatred of Americans. It just emanated from every pore of his body."

BBC correspondent John Simpson recalled seeing Ahmadinejad on the embassy grounds. Abholhassan Bani-Sadr, a former president of Iran long living in exile, asserted that Ahmadinejad "wasn't among the decision-makers but he was among those inside the Embassy."

406 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:08:41pm

re: #401 albusteve

Secretariat was a beast...I won the Derby pool at work with him...almost 300$

I'm old enough to remember that day when he blew the competition away and broke the record that still stands today.

407 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:09:12pm

I can't speak for Charles, of course, but I'm betting - given his recent request that people stop referring to Obama as "Hussein" - that he's almost as sick as I am of the childish name-calling that all too often passes for political commentary around here.

It really drags the level down to that of DKos or the Freepers.

I'm talking about all the oh-so-clever monikers for the President like

FCBBHO
The Teleprompter Jesus
0bama
The Zero

et cetera perge perge ad nauseam that add so much to our understanding of his strengths and weaknesses.

If something bad had happened to President Bush, people here would rightly have blamed the insane miasmas of BDS for making it possible, at least in part.

We should ask ourselves what we would say if God forfend some version of von Brunn gets through to Barack Obama.

That is all.

408 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:09:43pm

re: #404 Killgore Trout

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Photo Debunked: Hostages Still Adament Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Was Involved (UPDATED)

And I've read differently

409 jcm  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:09:44pm

re: #404 Killgore Trout

Let's waterboard him and find out!

410 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:09:46pm

Let's go back one more year.


Youtube Video


(If you're butt ain't bouncing in your chair, you're dead, Jim.)

411 1SG(ret)  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:09:58pm

re: #400 Thanos

Watched a tape of it. Great shape for an 85 yr old. Me.....I worked!

412 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:10:42pm

re: #391 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

More than just rollin' here...........I'm fully engaged..........pushing my envelope........but looking at the number 58 just catches me by surprise.

413 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:10:51pm

re: #407 Cato the Elder

Obama is his name?

414 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:10:54pm

re: #407 Cato the Elder

Tell me how FCBBHO refers to him as "Hussein"?

415 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:10:59pm

re: #396 Killgore Trout

Not certain but I believe the question remains open - a pic which may/may not have been him. IIRC, he was positively identified in a pic with Grande Fubar during the period.

416 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:11:04pm
417 1SG(ret)  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:11:09pm

re: #400 Thanos

Forgot to say....Thanks

418 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:11:15pm

re: #406 Nevergiveup

I'm old enough to remember that day when he blew the competition away and broke the record that still stands today.

Barabo's win at the Derby last year was a classic....I watched his demise very closely and almost cried at the end....

419 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:11:16pm

re: #407 Cato the Elder

Never saw the ban on using the Presidents middle name.
I don't use it myself, but I find it hard to believe that Charles banned using our President's name.

420 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:11:43pm

re: #407 Cato the Elder

I've softened my language but I can't account for others. Good luck talking people off the ledge of insanity. It doesn't work.

421 srb1976  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:12:02pm

re: #417 1SG(ret)

BTW...happy birthday....

(a little slow here, just caught that)

422 1SG(ret)  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:12:23pm

re: #407 Cato the Elder
It's his fucking NAME!

423 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:12:24pm

re: #409 jcm

No argument from me on that one.

424 SteveC  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:12:26pm

re: #416 Iron Fist

I used to think getting capped while sitting in a hot-tub with a couple of high-dollar hookers would be a pretty smooth transition from this life to the next. Hasn't happened yet. The getting shot part, anyway :-)

May you live to be 110, and shot dead by a jealous spouse! :)

425 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:12:49pm

re: #420 Killgore Trout

Is the President's name truly verboten on here? I'm serious.

426 jcm  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:13:03pm

re: #407 Cato the Elder

I'm making fun of their God.

Youtube Video
427 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:13:45pm

re: #425 Lincolntf

Is the President's name truly verboten on here? I'm serious.

Of course not

428 SteveC  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:13:49pm

re: #422 1SG(ret)

It's his fucking NAME!

Warning: Disturbing Mental Image!

429 1SG(ret)  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:14:02pm

re: #421 srb1976

Thanks!

430 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:14:02pm

re: #420 Killgore Trout

I've softened my language but I can't account for others. Good luck talking people off the ledge of insanity. It doesn't work.

giving BO a nickname is hardly insanity

431 jcm  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:14:40pm

re: #423 Killgore Trout

No argument from me on that one.

LOL! I tend to believe the folks that were there. But it's not a slam dunk.

432 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:14:54pm

re: #420 Killgore Trout

I've softened my language but I can't account for others. Good luck talking people off the ledge of insanity. It doesn't work.

I will continue to call him The Teleprompter Jesus. If that makes me insane, then so be it.

433 1SG(ret)  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:15:22pm

re: #428 SteveC

Glad you caught it!

434 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:16:02pm

re: #427 Nevergiveup

Didn't think so, but whatshisface seemed so sure of it, and I sometimes miss 2 or 3 LGF days at a time.

435 SteveC  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:16:17pm

re: #433 1SG(ret)

Glad you caught it!

It's like the Swine Flu, I DON'T WANT IT!

436 srb1976  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:16:19pm

re: #432 Truck Monkey

I will continue to call him The Teleprompter Jesus. If that makes me insane, then so be it.

I find that awfully amusing....if it wasn't so much to type (esp. now) I would consider stealing it = )

437 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:16:37pm
438 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:16:42pm
439 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:17:05pm

re: #436 srb1976

I find that awfully amusing....if it wasn't so much to type (esp. now) I would consider stealing it = )

You should. I did.

440 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:17:21pm

re: #434 Lincolntf

Didn't think so, but whatshisface seemed so sure of it, and I sometimes miss 2 or 3 LGF days at a time.

Charles indeed voiced his displeasure at the Hussein moniker...the implication is derogatory and he said so

441 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:17:51pm

How do we find a way to bring some loving here today?


Youtube Video
442 eon  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:18:06pm

re: #425 Lincolntf

Is the President's name truly verboten on here? I'm serious.

I would think that you could refer to him as POTUS, or "Obama", without anyone's hackles being raised. AIR, Lizards habitually referred to the recent ex-President simply as "Bush" or "GWB" much of the time.

The present President is fortunate, in that while his last name sounds a bit unusual compared to some of his predecessors (Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, etc.), it is significantly less silly-sounding than my actual family name.

cheers

eon

443 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:19:45pm

re: #407 Cato the Elder

We should ask ourselves what we would say if God forfend some version of von Brunn gets through to Barack Obama.

Nice Jewish mother guilt trip.
"Very nice to talk that way about your mother. Well don't worry, someday I'll be gone."

444 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:19:57pm

re: #440 albusteve

Charles indeed voiced his displeasure at the Hussein moniker...the implication is derogatory and he said so

I know Charles has said that, but was it before or after Obama so prominently used his middle name in Cairo? I never refer to him as Hussein so I don't really care, but since he seems to be so hypocritical with his middle name, I see not need to treat it with any reverence,.

445 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:20:07pm

re: #438 Iron Fist

Charles asked NY Nana to quit referring to him as "President Hussein". That happened last week or the week before. I've never really liked that kind of thing myself. Not so much using his full name (is he ashamed of his name?), but the little digs don't accomplish much. I disliked it during the First Gulf War the way they dissed Hussein with mispronouncing his name.

They should have called him by his real name. You know, something like "We're coming for your soul, motherfucker..."

ROFLMAO!

446 justdanny  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:20:44pm

Obamadinejad won :(

447 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:21:00pm

re: #444 Nevergiveup

I know Charles has said that, but was it before or after Obama so prominently used his middle name in Cairo? I never refer to him as Hussein so I don't really care, but since he seems to be so hypocritical with his middle name, I see not need to treat it with any reverence,.

a few weeks ago

448 jvic  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:21:15pm

I'm going to change my earlier comment:

I support Israel in doing whatever it judges necessary prudent to ensure protect its survival and security.
449 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:21:41pm

re: #447 albusteve

a few weeks ago

So before the Cairo speech.

450 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:21:43pm

re: #435 SteveC

It's like the Swine Flu, I DON'T WANT IT!

Got an e-mail in our office today..........one of my fellow workers (in a small office)found out today one of his kids has swine flu.
/anyone here caught it yet?

451 ShanghaiEd  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:21:46pm

re: #430 albusteve

giving BO a nickname is hardly insanity

Not insanity, IMHO, but definitely tacky. My upbringing was, "The office of the president deserves respect, even if don't like the person who holds it." I've always tried to live by that. Bush was Bush. Obama is Obama. No nics, for me.

452 pink freud  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:21:50pm

re: #446 justdanny

Obamadinejad won :(

Watch it danny, you're in violation of Cato's latest legislative attempt.

453 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:22:18pm

re: #446 justdanny

Obamadinejad won :(

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

454 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:22:37pm

re: #449 Nevergiveup

So before the Cairo speech.

yes I think so...

455 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:22:38pm

re: #438 Iron Fist

Well, whatever. When I feel like calling him by his middle name, I will. It just hasn't occured to me yet.
Our last President was universally referred to by his middle initial, so the only difference in perception has to come from presumed racism/xenophobia.
Not a good sign when people start banning names to ostensibly foster more open communication.

456 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:23:58pm

I just love the horns.


Youtube Video
457 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:24:10pm

re: #437 taxfreekiller

Do what you will but I can debunk your lies easily. I personally find it repulsive that old school lizards don't object to 9-11 Truthers. I came here mostly because of the reality of 9-11. I haven't changed and I will always oppose 9-11 Truthers and Paulians. If you want to support them that's your choice but you shouldn't be surprised when I expose your support. It's easy to do and I enjoy it.

458 jcm  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:24:47pm

DTV transition brings flood of confused callers

If you've been watching TV for the last year or more, you'd know about it. People suddenly for the first time in months decided to turn on their TV today and saying WTF?

459 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:25:16pm

re: #456 MandyManners

I just love the horns.


re: #456 MandyManners

one of my all time favorites....

460 justdanny  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:25:36pm

I have many wonderful beautiful friends in Iran. Im crushed for them. They keep telling me that the votes are still being counted. All the while telling me they have lost. Very bad day for them. Very bad day for us all.

461 Zimriel  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:25:50pm

re: #451 ShanghaiEd

Not insanity, IMHO, but definitely tacky. My upbringing was, "The office of the president deserves respect, even if don't like the person who holds it."

Even if people don't hold to that, using the same nicknames we've seen throughout the Internet's comment sections thousands of times is a reflection of a lazy, slovenly mind.

462 Catttt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:27:02pm

Woot! I am actually watching ABC right now! 20 20 has Adam Lambert on tonight! :D WOO HOO!

463 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:27:31pm

re: #451 ShanghaiEd

Not insanity, IMHO, but definitely tacky. My upbringing was, "The office of the president deserves respect, even if don't like the person who holds it." I've always tried to live by that. Bush was Bush. Obama is Obama. No nics, for me.

There is a difference between the office and the person.

464 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:27:54pm

re: #414 MandyManners

Tell me how FCBBHO refers to him as "Hussein"?

You yourself told me it means "Fucking Commie Bastard Barack Hussein Obama".

But it's not the use his full name that one objects to in this case, it's the first three Mature and Mannerly qualifiers.

Your Mandate, Mandy.

465 ladycatnip  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:30:09pm

Blame the name thing on the media. They were the ones who first referred to him as an enlightened being, or the Lightworker.

Dismiss it all you like, but I've heard from far too many enormously smart, wise, spiritually attuned people who've been intuitively blown away by Obama's presence - not speeches, not policies, but sheer presence

My favorite name (which I shall continue to use) is The One. I think he likes that best. Of course after being referred to as God by the media (there they go again), he may prefer that now.

466 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:30:28pm
467 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:30:29pm

re: #457 Killgore Trout

I detest "911 Truthers". And they were asked to leave the Honolulu Tea Party.
And, White Power don't go over too well with "da bruddahs" here in Aloha land.
But your information is appreciated. I'll call out Paulians, racists, whackos.....

468 pink freud  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:31:21pm

re: #463 MandyManners

There is a difference between the office and the person.

Yep.

469 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:31:31pm

re: #464 Cato the Elder

You yourself told me it means "Fucking Commie Bastard Barack Hussein Obama".

But it's not the use his full name that one objects to in this case, it's the first three Mature and Mannerly qualifiers.

Your Mandate, Mandy.

No. 1. I didn't tell you specifically.

No. 2. what is that "Mature and Mannerly qualifiers" nonsense? It didn't come from me.

No. 3. "Mandate"? When did I issue a "Mandate"?

Huh? What "Mandate"?

470 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:31:58pm

re: #460 justdanny

I have many wonderful beautiful friends in Iran. Im crushed for them. They keep telling me that the votes are still being counted. All the while telling me they have lost. Very bad day for them. Very bad day for us all.

Your friends are pathetic and I pity them. It's a bait and switch, horse and pony show over there. The shariah-loving, America-hating mullahs are the ones who choose the candidates, call the shots and hold the real power. Regardless of which candidate wins, nothing substantial can change without approval of the islamic leadership.

471 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:32:16pm

re: #419 Lincolntf

Never saw the ban on using the Presidents middle name.
I don't use it myself, but I find it hard to believe that Charles banned using our President's name.

Ask NY Nana about that. She was fond of referring to Obama's presidency as "the Hussein dictatorship".

It's the use of his middle name alone that Charles objected to. I don't have the patience to search out the link for you. Believe as you like.

It has about as much force and maturity of mind as some Indymedia type calling Bush "Walker, Texas Ranger".

472 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:33:09pm

re: #469 MandyManners

Huh? What "Mandate"?

sounds gay.........not that there's anything wrong with that...........

473 SteveC  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:33:22pm

re: #450 IslandLibertarian

Got an e-mail in our office today..........one of my fellow workers (in a small office)found out today one of his kids has swine flu.
/anyone here caught it yet?

Swine Flu warning signs

Swine Flu Vaccine Update

The second article notes that the Swine Flu Vaccine will be a live virus (at least at first) and certain groups could be warned against taking it. If you've got a Chronic Illness, this could affect you.

474 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:33:47pm

Hey, baby!

Youtube Video
475 Basho  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:34:32pm

Man... I took a break from LGF right before the swine flu thing took off. Wish I was here, I'm sure there were many humorous conversations.

476 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:34:32pm

re: #467 IslandLibertarian

That's the way to do it. I personally don't agree with the Tea Party agenda but there's no excuse for associating with Paulians, racists and truthers. On the Tea Party agenda we can have a friendly debate. When it comes to Tuthers and racists I have nothing but contempt.

477 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:35:15pm

re: #469 MandyManners

No. 1. I didn't tell you specifically.

No. 2. what is that "Mature and Mannerly qualifiers" nonsense? It didn't come from me.

No. 3. "Mandate"? When did I issue a "Mandate"?

Huh? What "Mandate"?

1. Yes, you did. I couldn't figure out what it stood for and you answered my query.

2. Regardless of where it comes from, you're the one who uses it most around here - that I've seen.

3. You seem to think you have a mandate to be the queen of the dirty mouth on this blog. Beg pardon if I'm mistaken.

478 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:35:21pm

re: #471 Cato the Elder

I'm sticking with "0"(pronounced zero).

pau hana.........

479 Catttt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:35:31pm

re: #466 Iron Fist

The depths to which you will plunge just to see an androgynous Trent Reznor wannabe...

:-þ

His segment just finished.

My heart is going pitty pat now. Wooooooooooo.

480 Zimriel  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:36:03pm

re: #470 Spare O'Lake

Your friends are pathetic and I pity them. It's

Er, I'm in agreement with you mostly, but the word "pathetic" is harsh in this context. I assume you didn't mean it. (English a second language maybe?)

481 Catttt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:36:47pm

OK. Going to turn off TV now - Glen Beck on next. On a sexy scale, from Adam Lambert to Glen Beck is a precipitous drop.

482 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:37:27pm

Penguins won.

483 sadhu  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:37:32pm

Penguins!

484 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:37:49pm

re: #477 Cato the Elder

1. Yes, you did. I couldn't figure out what it stood for and you answered my query.

2. Regardless of where it comes from, you're the one who uses it most around here - that I've seen.

3. You seem to think you have a mandate to be the queen of the dirty mouth on this blog. Beg pardon if I'm mistaken.

you seem to think you are the language cop around here...hahaha!

485 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:38:00pm

Let's move up to the Reagan Administration.

Youtube Video
486 NelsFree  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:38:06pm

re: #379 1SG(ret)

54 today.


Today is also my birthday, and I am 54. The day has not gone well for me. For those who have read the Somali thread downstairs, I have two comments:
1. My #101 was made to point out how strict adherents to Islam avoid assimilating into American culture.
2. I realized that my post was too intolerant (one said xenophobic) and I have apologized.
As I said earlier, I accept the massive downdings I have received. I shall be more careful to frame my statements with respect to enlightening Lizards. I hope that the Lizard community will forgive me and allow me to go back to my usual jokes and puns, with the occaisional link thrown in for good measure.
I normally would not carry this over into a newer thread. It has troubled me greatly today.
/Feedback?

487 SteveC  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:39:08pm

re: #482 Spare O'Lake

Penguins won.

Doo-bee-doo-bee-DID!

488 Catttt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:39:09pm

I almost always call everyone by their title out of simple politeness. I have this latent Emily Post thing going on. The hardest for me is to say President Carter, but I remember to have respect for the office.

489 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:39:42pm

re: #486 NelsFree

Today is also my birthday, and I am 54. The day has not gone well for me. For those who have read the Somali thread downstairs, I have two comments:
1. My #101 was made to point out how strict adherents to Islam avoid assimilating into American culture.
2. I realized that my post was too intolerant (one said xenophobic) and I have apologized.
As I said earlier, I accept the massive downdings I have received. I shall be more careful to frame my statements with respect to enlightening Lizards. I hope that the Lizard community will forgive me and allow me to go back to my usual jokes and puns, with the occaisional link thrown in for good measure.
I normally would not carry this over into a newer thread. It has troubled me greatly today.
/Feedback?

Everybody has execrable days.

Happy birthday to you!

490 justdanny  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:39:51pm

re: #470 Spare O'Lake

Your friends are pathetic and I pity them.

Fuck you. You dont know my friends. And judging by your blanket statement you dont know much of anything worth listening to.

491 ShanghaiEd  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:40:05pm

re: #478 IslandLibertarian

I'm sticking with "0"(pronounced zero).

That's original. /

492 NelsFree  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:40:29pm

re: #379 1SG(ret)

Lest I forget, Happy Birthday, 1SG.

493 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:40:37pm

Obviously this is an issue that has been hashed over more than once.

The 44th President of the United States is Barack Hussein Obama. Nobody cares what his name is, we just care that he's a Leftist flake-job.

494 Zimriel  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:40:40pm

re: #486 NelsFree

Today is also my birthday, and I am 54. The day has not gone well for me. For those who have read the Somali thread downstairs, I have two comments:

Aww it's okay. Everyone's made comments here they're not proud of. I hope you stay with us a long time with a minimum meltdowns, unless they involve tart tuna sandwiches.

/hungry again

495 Catttt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:41:10pm

re: #486 NelsFree

Hippo birdy two ewes!

We all make mistakes. I missed whatever it was you did, but your apologize is nice. Now - go forward.

496 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:41:31pm

re: #477 Cato the Elder

1. Yes, you did. I couldn't figure out what it stood for and you answered my query.

2. Regardless of where it comes from, you're the one who uses it most around here - that I've seen.

3. You seem to think you have a mandate to be the queen of the dirty mouth on this blog. Beg pardon if I'm mistaken.

1. So? You were the ONLY ONE EVER to ask that?

2. It came from me.

3. What the fuck?

497 srb1976  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:41:32pm

re: #486 NelsFree

Didn't see the original comment, but I know everyone says things they wish that they could have back......

Happy Birthday = )

498 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:41:50pm

re: #480 Zimriel

pa⋅thet⋅ic  /pəˈθɛtɪk/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [puh-thet-ik] Show IPA
–adjective 1. causing or evoking pity, sympathetic sadness, sorrow, etc.; pitiful; pitiable: a pathetic letter; a pathetic sight.
2. affecting or moving the feelings.
3. pertaining to or caused by the feelings.
4. miserably or contemptibly inadequate: In return for our investment we get a pathetic three percent interest.

499 1SG(ret)  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:42:29pm

re: #486 NelsFree

Happy Birthday, and I hope what's left of this day is great for you! :-)

I've had them days. Mine was work away from Family and that part sucked!

500 Catttt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:42:59pm

re: #494 Zimriel

Aww it's okay. Everyone's made comments here they're not proud of. I hope you stay with us a long time with a minimum meltdowns, unless they involve tart tuna sandwiches.

/hungry again

Until Monday, I have my choice of Ramen and Doritos with cheese sauce etc. for dinner. Guess which one I had tonight? :D

501 Zimriel  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:43:47pm

re: #498 Spare O'Lake

pa⋅thet⋅ic  /pə ˈθɛtɪk/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [puh-thet-ik]

*ahem* In that case, insensitivity to others' feelings would be my diagnosis.

502 srb1976  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:43:58pm

re: #498 Spare O'Lake

pa⋅thet⋅ic  /pə ˈθɛtɪk/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [puh-thet-ik] Show IPA
–adjective 1. causing or evoking pity, sympathetic sadness, sorrow, etc.; pitiful; pitiable: a pathetic letter; a pathetic sight.
2. affecting or moving the feelings.
3. pertaining to or caused by the feelings.
4. miserably or contemptibly inadequate: In return for our investment we get a pathetic three percent interest.


When applied to people....def. 4 is usually assumed....to call someone pathetic is not nice

503 eon  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:44:10pm

re: #458 jcm

DTV transition brings flood of confused callers

If you've been watching TV for the last year or more, you'd know about it. People suddenly for the first time in months decided to turn on their TV today and saying WTF?

I'm in that boat, but at least I know why.

I have an indoor antenna that was sold as "HD capable", and a converter box. But I live in a "fringe" reception area, where reception of analog signals is at best spotty. So with the "cliff effect" of digital signals, I'm not surprised that I'm getting a "No Signal" placard when the converter is turned on.

That said, for the last week I've seen a good bit of fairly stupid behavior by the local TV stations. One cut off its analog signal on Tuesday, and now has a recording on its phone telling people to call the government hotline. Another kept its analog sound up today, but with no picture except the "you need to call this number" placard. I give both a ten for pragmatism, but a zero for courtesy.

On the lack of courtesy side, both stations were "flooding the zone" with ads for Time Warner cable all week. Plus I (being on their local list as a non-subscriber) have been receiving mail "offers" to sign up immediately. And promptly throwing them in the trash.

Their "offer"? $9.95/mo. for 1 year, if you sign up for three years, the last two at their "normal" price of $59.95/mo. On my pension, I long ago concluded that I could pay utilities monthly, and property tax twice a year, or pay for cable or satellite TV every month- I cannot do both. So my response has been to ignore them.

But the local stations shouldn't figure on dismantling their analog transmitters just yet. I'm anticipating at least a few court cases citing the "digital takeover" as denying people of low income access to news and information, thus violating one of the provisions of the old Federal Communications Act which created the FCC in 1935. The corporate position won't be made any better by the number of TV network owners who also have interests in cellular phone service providers; it could be argued that at least some have forsaken their responsibilities under their FCC- issued broadcast licenses to make more money selling cellphone service contracts. (Not to mention cable or satellite TV services.)

In our litigious society of today, there are most assuredly trial lawyers who would define this situation as a target-rich environment.

Who knows, it might even end up as the most entertaining "show" around.

cheers

eon

504 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:44:48pm

Yes, Charles has an issue with "Hussein" as a sole identifier for the potus, and I can respect that in his house.

Given that...

CtE - you're a sanctimonious asshole.

Mandy - Rock on.

505 ladycatnip  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:45:00pm

#3379 1SG(ret)
#486 NelsFree

Happy Birthday to you both!

And Nels, that was a lovely post. You are absolutely forgiven most sincerely welcome here.

506 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:45:11pm

re: #486 NelsFree

Happy birthday. I think you will find a sincere apology goes a long way here. I prostrated myself once for some immoderate comments and was accepted back in to the fold. BTW, I turned 54 in April and my shoulder hurts!

507 ShanghaiEd  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:46:05pm

re: #486 NelsFree

You're fine with me, Nels. Happy Birthday!

508 Catttt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:46:16pm

OMG! AI Tour will be in Baltimore: August 5 Baltimore, MD 1st Mariner Arena.

Who wants to go with?

509 Catttt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:47:34pm

re: #506 BatGuano

Happy birthday. I think you will find a sincere apology goes a long way here. I prostrated myself once for some immoderate comments and was accepted back in to the fold. BTW, I turned 54 in April and my shoulder hurts!

I found out early on that saying anything cross-leg-worthy about penises was a no no. :D

510 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:47:40pm

re: #486 NelsFree

hope I make it to that year-count (not too far off). Keep fighting the good fight.

511 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:48:12pm

re: #504 CynicalConservative

Yes, Charles has an issue with "Hussein" as a sole identifier for the potus, and I can respect that in his house.

Given that...

CtE - you're a sanctimonious asshole.

Mandy - Rock on.

Jump up and down in your blue-suede shoes?


Youtube Video
512 Basho  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:48:23pm

re: #236 taxfreekiller

They want you on the reservation, sleeping in used dirty government blankets.

Will you chose the reservation and the old cow meat, the out of date stale government cheese, and the watered down Penicillin they tell you is the good stuff.

Will you fence yourselves in?

....Yes?

513 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:48:37pm

re: #508 Catttt

OMG! AI Tour will be in Baltimore: August 5 Baltimore, MD 1st Mariner Arena.

Who wants to go with?

Go with what?
From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I shall not put.
/

514 avanti  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:48:39pm

re: #464 Cato the Elder

You yourself told me it means "Fucking Commie Bastard Barack Hussein Obama".

But it's not the use his full name that one objects to in this case, it's the first three Mature and Mannerly qualifiers.

Your Mandate, Mandy.

When I first wandered in here, I was put off by the Commie comments and tried to discuss my feelings, but all I got was affirmation that many truly believe that our POTUS is a Commie, so I gave up. To me it's a bit sad, there are indeed real Commies to worry about and labeling someone to the left of you a Commie is just as wrong as someone on the right being called a Fascist, it just weakens the power of the label.

515 1SG(ret)  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:48:47pm

re: #505 ladycatnip

Thanks!

516 Zimriel  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:48:48pm

re: #508 Catttt

OMG! AI Tour will be in Baltimore: August 5 Baltimore, MD 1st Mariner Arena.

Who wants to go with?

I'm not in Baltimore, but a lady I was talking with at the bar a few days back was from there!

She's a 6 foot 6 brunette, so if you'd seen her, you might remember :^)

517 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:48:59pm

re: #509 Catttt

I found out early on that saying anything cross-leg-worthy about penises was a no no. :D


I think the rule is if your gonna saying anything nasty about penises you better have one?
/

518 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:49:26pm

re: #511 MandyManners

Loves it.

519 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:49:37pm

re: #504 CynicalConservative

On his blog he sets the rules, nobody is arguing that as far as I can tell.
But to interpret the President's full name as some kind of slur is a bad kind of something.
I'm gonna go read the thread where Charles banned/discouraged using President Obama's full name before I misinterpret this whole thing.

520 Zimriel  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:50:10pm

re: #517 Nevergiveup

I think the rule is if your gonna saying anything nasty about penises you better have one?
/

And if you say anything bad about boobies then, well, you're crazy!

521 NelsFree  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:50:12pm

Dear Folks,

Thank you all, especially you who have posted replies. I can now go to sleep knowing that forgiveness is present. Thank you again, and good-night.

522 VioletTiger  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:50:17pm

Good evening LFG.
Anybody want a margarita?

523 Randall Gross  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:50:44pm

re: #486 NelsFree

Today is also my birthday, and I am 54. The day has not gone well for me. For those who have read the Somali thread downstairs, I have two comments:
1. My #101 was made to point out how strict adherents to Islam avoid assimilating into American culture.
2. I realized that my post was too intolerant (one said xenophobic) and I have apologized.
As I said earlier, I accept the massive downdings I have received. I shall be more careful to frame my statements with respect to enlightening Lizards. I hope that the Lizard community will forgive me and allow me to go back to my usual jokes and puns, with the occaisional link thrown in for good measure.
I normally would not carry this over into a newer thread. It has troubled me greatly today.
/Feedback?

Happy Birthday! I'm over it, and it's FNDT, everyone sometimes goes too far when passions drive them.

524 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:50:44pm

re: #514 avanti

When I first wandered in here, I was put off by the Commie comments and tried to discuss my feelings, but all I got was affirmation that many truly believe that our POTUS is a Commie, so I gave up. To me it's a bit sad, there are indeed real Commies to worry about and labeling someone to the left of you a Commie is just as wrong as someone on the right being called a Fascist, it just weakens the power of the label.

Coming from a Nazi like you.......
/I couldn't resist. I apologize.

525 1SG(ret)  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:51:32pm

re: #511 MandyManners

Mandy, Guns and Roses Paradise City. Can't stop hitting the play button.
Darn you Mandy!

526 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:51:38pm

re: #519 Lincolntf

On his blog he sets the rules, nobody is arguing that as far as I can tell.
But to interpret the President's full name as some kind of slur is a bad kind of something.
I'm gonna go read the thread where Charles banned/discouraged using President Obama's full name before I misinterpret this whole thing.

Full name, not a problem as I understand it. "Hussein" as a stand-alone is a problem and I can't disagree, as much as I despise the man as potus.

527 srb1976  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:52:09pm

re: #522 VioletTiger

Good evening LFG.
Anybody want a margarita?

Frozen or on the rocks?

528 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:52:10pm

re: #480 Zimriel

Er, I'm in agreement with you mostly, but the word "pathetic" is harsh in this context. I assume you didn't mean it. (English a second language maybe?)

You are obviously not familiar with the meanings of "pathetic", and have chosen to project your own choice onto my comment.

pa⋅thet⋅ic  /pəˈθɛtɪk/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [puh-thet-ik] Show IPA
–adjective 1. causing or evoking pity, sympathetic sadness, sorrow, etc.; pitiful; pitiable: a pathetic letter; a pathetic sight.
2. affecting or moving the feelings.
3. pertaining to or caused by the feelings.
4. miserably or contemptibly inadequate: In return for our investment we get a pathetic three percent interest.


I suggest you refrain from cheap insults when it is you whose command of English is imperfect.

529 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:52:14pm

re: #514 avanti

When I first wandered in here, I was put off by the Commie comments and tried to discuss my feelings, but all I got was affirmation that many truly believe that our POTUS is a Commie, so I gave up. To me it's a bit sad, there are indeed real Commies to worry about and labeling someone to the left of you a Commie is just as wrong as someone on the right being called a Fascist, it just weakens the power of the label.

Alot of the times people refer to Obama as a commie it is tongue in cheek. This isn't an academic exercise , we are suppose to be having a little fun here. Lighten up people.

530 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:52:15pm

We got fun and games!


Youtube Video
531 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:52:26pm

re: #520 Zimriel

And if you say anything bad about boobies then, well, you're crazy!

There is NOTHING bad about boobies......
Oohh, forgot. Cato, can we talk about boobies?

532 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:52:37pm

re: #514 avanti

When I first wandered in here, I was put off by the Commie comments and tried to discuss my feelings, but all I got was affirmation that many truly believe that our POTUS is a Commie, so I gave up. To me it's a bit sad, there are indeed real Commies to worry about and labeling someone to the left of you a Commie is just as wrong as someone on the right being called a Fascist, it just weakens the power of the label.

BO is at the least a closet commie...but he's peeking out to test the waters...he's probably a racist as well...all judging from his own buddies and reading materials

533 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:52:40pm

re: #522 VioletTiger

Good evening LFG.
Anybody want a margarita?

Hell yes!

534 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:53:13pm

Back on topic:

Here's a music clip of the great Iranian singer Homayoud Shajarian. Just to humanize the Persians a bit.

Youtube Video

Partial lyrics:

morgh’e sahar, naale sar kon
daagh’e ma ra taaze tar kon
z’aah shararbar, een ghafas raa... Read More
barshekan o, zeer o zebar kon
bolbol’e par-baste, ze kaaj’e ghafas daraa
naghme’ye azadi no’e bashar saraa
va’z nafas arseye een khake tudeh ra,
por sharar kon
zolm, zalem
jor-e sayyad.
aasheeyan’am daade bar baad
ey khoda, ey falak, ey tabee-at
shaam’e taareek’e maara, sahar kon...

O morning bird, sadly sing and remind me
Of my pain afresh with a burning sigh
Break this cage and turn it upside down
Wing-tied nightingale, leave the corner of this cage
Compose the song of freedom for mankind
And with a breath, set fire to the battlefield
Of the mass of this earth.
The cruelty of tyrants and the injustice of huntsmen
Have broken my nest to the winds.
O God, O turning globe, O nature
Turn our dark night into dawn…

The song has a certain oppositional character, and it is Shajarian's most popular cover. If he declines to sing it at a given concert, they nearly riot until he does it as an encore. As in this instance.

That should tell you a little bit about Iranians that you may not have known.

Bless your friends there, Justdanny.

535 jcm  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:53:17pm

re: #514 avanti

When I first wandered in here, I was put off by the Commie comments and tried to discuss my feelings, but all I got was affirmation that many truly believe that our POTUS is a Commie, so I gave up. To me it's a bit sad, there are indeed real Commies to worry about and labeling someone to the left of you a Commie is just as wrong as someone on the right being called a Fascist, it just weakens the power of the label.

And you were given a ton of links supporting that view. Every significant person in Obama's life has been an identifiable Marxist.

536 Basho  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:53:24pm

re: #514 avanti

Heyy avanti. Good to see you, it's been a while. Glad to see you're as patient and reasonable as ever =)

537 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:53:45pm

re: #519 Lincolntf

On his blog he sets the rules, nobody is arguing that as far as I can tell.
But to interpret the President's full name as some kind of slur is a bad kind of something.
I'm gonna go read the thread where Charles banned/discouraged using President Obama's full name before I misinterpret this whole thing.

he didn't

538 avanti  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:53:52pm

re: #524 Truck Monkey

Coming from a Nazi like you.......
/I couldn't resist. I apologize.

The devil made you do it. :)

539 Lynn B.  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:54:16pm

re: #449 Nevergiveup

So before the Cairo speech.

No. After.

540 Shug  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:54:28pm

re: #486 NelsFree

Today is also my birthday, and I am 54. The day has not gone well for me. For those who have read the Somali thread downstairs, I have two comments:
1. My #101 was made to point out how strict adherents to Islam avoid assimilating into American culture.
2. I realized that my post was too intolerant (one said xenophobic) and I have apologized.
As I said earlier, I accept the massive downdings I have received. I shall be more careful to frame my statements with respect to enlightening Lizards. I hope that the Lizard community will forgive me and allow me to go back to my usual jokes and puns, with the occaisional link thrown in for good measure.
I normally would not carry this over into a newer thread. It has troubled me greatly today.
/Feedback?


I usually feel a lot smarter the day after a BOTTOM 10 comment.
Sometimes getting your ass kicked is a good thing.
Been there.

Shake it off. Come back better than ever

541 avanti  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:55:04pm

re: #535 jcm

And you were given a ton of links supporting that view. Every significant person in Obama's life has been an identifiable Marxist.

Sorry, not heading down the ding down highway this evening, believe as you choose.

542 VioletTiger  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:55:05pm

re: #527 srb1976

Frozen or on the rocks?

On the rocks tonight. Too lazy to get out the blender!

543 Shug  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:55:47pm

re: #542 VioletTiger

On the rocks tonight. Too lazy to get out the blender!


Just gimme the tequila shot

too lazy to get ice

544 Catttt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:56:01pm

re: #517 Nevergiveup

I think the rule is if your gonna saying anything nasty about penises you better have one?
/

But I do say nice things about them. Evil grin.

545 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:56:07pm

re: #541 avanti

Sorry, not heading down the ding down highway this evening, believe as you choose.

willful blindness...he's a commie

546 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:56:29pm

re: #539 Lynn B.

No. After.

Well as i said above, I don't refer to him as Hussein, but I think after the Cairo speech and his cynical use of his middle name himself, it's fair game.

547 justdanny  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:56:31pm

re: #528 Spare O'Lake

Your obviously a simp trying hard to cover your simp ass, something I'm sure youre used to.

Instead of throwing up a guiltless bullshit curtain, why not just admit that youre a simp and be done with it?

548 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:57:08pm
549 avanti  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:57:11pm

re: #536 Basho

Heyy avanti. Good to see you, it's been a while. Glad to see you're as patient and reasonable as ever =)

Thanks, hanging in there, but LGF boot camp was a bitch to get through.

550 ShanghaiEd  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:57:39pm

re: #519 Lincolntf

On his blog he sets the rules, nobody is arguing that as far as I can tell.
But to interpret the President's full name as some kind of slur is a bad kind of something.
I'm gonna go read the thread where Charles banned/discouraged using President Obama's full name before I misinterpret this whole thing.

I don't know anybody who claims the full name is a slur. But the use of Hussein alone, while claiming "it's not negative! It's his name!" is disingenuous, at best. If only because it has a history of use as a "dog whistle" by seriously crazy hatemongers, during the campaign, and I don't want to be associated with those folks.

551 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:57:51pm

re: #502 srb1976

When applied to people....def. 4 is usually assumed....to call someone pathetic is not nice

Really? How do you know that - after all, it is the last definition listed?

552 eon  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:58:15pm

Well, it looks like this is officially the FNDT, and I'm officially having trouble keeping my eyes open. So...

Good Night, Lizards.

Sleep well.

(And Happy Birthday, 1Sgt and Nels ;-) )

cheers

eon

553 justdanny  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:58:23pm

re: #534 Cato the Elder
They arent Persians. Thats a western creation. They are Iranians. Thanks for the post though. :)

554 Randall Gross  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:58:33pm

Well I am tired of the site running like a slug across frozen lake Michigan in February, so I think I'm going to make the jump from Vista 64 to W7, backing up and D/L ing the runcode now.

There's something in some of the google adds here that really jacks up vista 64, it doesn't seem to replicate on 32 bit vista or other xp machines. The problem comes no matter what browser I run btw.

555 srb1976  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:59:09pm

re: #542 VioletTiger

On the rocks tonight. Too lazy to get out the blender!

Sounds wonderful.....saves you from the brain freeze = )

556 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:59:12pm

The Yankees just beat the Mets when A-Rod popped to second with 2 men on with 2 outs and the Yanks down by 1. And the Met's second basemen dropped the ball and 2 runs scored and the Yanks won. Unbelievable.

557 VioletTiger  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:59:30pm

re: #543 Shug

Just gimme the tequila shot

too lazy to get ice

You got it.

558 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:59:34pm

re: #509 Catttt

I found out early on that saying anything cross-leg-worthy about penises was a no no. :D

It's on my not-to-do-list. :)

559 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:59:35pm

re: #554 Thanos

Well I am tired of the site running like a slug across frozen lake Michigan in February, so I think I'm going to make the jump from Vista 64 to W7, backing up and D/L ing the runcode now.

There's something in some of the google adds here that really jacks up vista 64, it doesn't seem to replicate on 32 bit vista or other xp machines. The problem comes no matter what browser I run btw.

W7 is a good choice from Vista x. jumped early beta and never looked back.

560 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:59:43pm

re: #549 avanti

Thanks, hanging in there, but LGF boot camp was a bitch to get through.

you make it hard for yourself then glow when you get through it?....nobody is through anything...there is no test, that's all in your head...BO is a commie btw and you support him without question

561 formercorpsman  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 7:59:50pm

re: #554 Thanos

Thanos, I noticed you have had this problem as well.

At home there is really no problem, but work is really slow too.

Damn, the Red Socks just went up 5-2.

562 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:00:03pm

re: #526 CynicalConservative

Full name, not a problem as I understand it. "Hussein" as a stand-alone is a problem and I can't disagree, as much as I despise the man as potus.

Down with middle names which identify one's religious background!

563 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:00:33pm

re: #553 justdanny

They arent Persians. Thats a western creation. They are Iranians. Thanks for the post though. :)

Really? Are you sure?

564 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:00:36pm

re: #514 avanti

When I first wandered in here, I was put off by the Commie comments and tried to discuss my feelings, but all I got was affirmation that many truly believe that our POTUS is a Commie, so I gave up. To me it's a bit sad, there are indeed real Commies to worry about and labeling someone to the left of you a Commie is just as wrong as someone on the right being called a Fascist, it just weakens the power of the label.

The Audacity of Socialism

The truth laid bare in 21 parts, before the election.

/now coming home to roost on a daily basis, IBD nailed TOTUS cold and he's proving IBD correct in every aspect, all you need to do is read the news

565 Randall Gross  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:00:43pm

re: #559 CynicalConservative

W7 is a good choice from Vista x. jumped early beta and never looked back.

You running 64 or 32?

566 srb1976  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:01:37pm

re: #551 Spare O'Lake

Really? How do you know that - after all, it is the last definition listed?

I didn't say that it was how YOU were using it....just that in conversation, when applied to people, pathetic is USUALLY an insult....

I am not the only one to mention that.....I don't think I'm alone in this assesment

567 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:01:38pm

Happy birthday, 1st sergeant! Sorry I missed it.

568 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:01:49pm

re: #537 albusteve

That must be why I couldn't find it. Seriously, I tried to do a search and it was a useless mess.
So we are still allowed to refer to the President by his real name?
Thank God, I thought this site had gone Gulag on me.

569 Lynn B.  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:02:23pm

Charles never "banned" the use of President Obama's full name. Just asked us to quit referring to him by his middle name only.

I’ve been meaning to say this, and here’s a good opportunity. I think it’s really offensive to refer to the President as “Hussein.” It’s the kind of crap that you’ll find at Atlas Shrieks, and I really don’t appreciate seeing it here. Please knock it off, or I’ll just start deleting comments that do it.

re: #546 Nevergiveup

I agree. It's quite a double standard that anyone who referred to his middle name during the election was branded as a racist but now that he's using it it's a-ok.

BHO. Barack Hussein Obama. I have no problem with that. I'd be surprised if Charles does, either.

570 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:02:32pm

re: #565 Thanos

You running 64 or 32?

64 - Beta and RC1 - no issues other than Zonealarm doesn't install ($ invested). Stable and faster than anything Vista. Everything else I use has been running flawlessly and fast.

571 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:03:04pm
572 avanti  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:03:11pm

re: #546 Nevergiveup

Well as i said above, I don't refer to him as Hussein, but I think after the Cairo speech and his cynical use of his middle name himself, it's fair game.

I don't think the issue is using his middle name as in BHO, or even his full name including the middle is objectionable, but is a bit formal for everyday use. Just using the middle name, is a attempt at giving a negative impression and nothing more IMHO.
Imagine if one of the Bush's had a middle name of Adolf, and how the lefties would had used it.

573 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:03:18pm

re: #562 Spare O'Lake

Down with middle names which identify one's religious background!

Yeah, it's the selective interpretation of marginal data that was the problem I think.

574 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:03:31pm

re: #569 Lynn B.

Thank you.

575 1SG(ret)  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:03:48pm

re: #567 BatGuano

Thanks, No problem I'm easy to miss now that I've retired.....Now back in the day.....not so much

576 jcm  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:04:13pm

re: #553 justdanny

They arent Persians. Thats a western creation. They are Iranians. Thanks for the post though. :)

They self identify as Persian as well as Iranian. The Persian culture vs. the Islamic rule is a conflict we'd be well served to understand and exploit to achieve regime change.

They are rightfully proud of their 2500 year heritage as Persians.

577 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:04:38pm

CtE - thanks.

578 Zimriel  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:05:25pm

re: #571 Iron Fist

If you really don't understand that "pathetic" would be seen as a gratuitous insult in this context then I advise you to stay out of bars. All your going to do is cause the bouncers grief. And probably get the shit kicked out of you.

Speaking of which I'm headed out to one of them, in which case by your own rule I won't be able to type much here for awhile :^)

nini lizards

579 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:05:27pm

re: #572 avanti

I don't think the issue is using his middle name as in BHO, or even his full name including the middle is objectionable, but is a bit formal for everyday use. Just using the middle name, is a attempt at giving a negative impression and nothing more IMHO.
Imagine if one of the Bush's had a middle name of Adolf, and how the lefties would had used it.

Except with the cynical hypocritical way Obama himself has used his middle name I think it is fair game. He did that to himself. Having said that I don't use his middle name and I wish I didn't have to use his first or last name either.

580 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:05:33pm

re: #572 avanti

I don't think the issue is using his middle name as in BHO, or even his full name including the middle is objectionable, but is a bit formal for everyday use. Just using the middle name, is a attempt at giving a negative impression and nothing more IMHO.
Imagine if one of the Bush's had a middle name of Adolf, and how the lefties would had used it.

With a name like Bush I am just surprised that the lefties didn't start calling him "shrub" and calling for him to be pruned!
/they did?

581 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:05:34pm

Am getting ready to go out for the evening but I wanted to wish NelsFree, Hoosier Hoops and 1Sgt a very Happy Birthday!

582 Randall Gross  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:05:45pm

Avanti: Obama's not a commie. However he is very oriented towards Eurosocialist technocracy, and doing the philosopher king dance. He uses terms like "social justice" almost as much as WCW and ANSWER, so I would expect a few to fling the commie label at him. He's not commie, but he is weak tea socialist, only being kept in check by his advisors, Congress, and our Constitution.

583 Summer Seale  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:05:53pm

I don't think anyone here really thought that things would change in Iran with the nuclear program if the other guy won anyway.

However, this is a moot point. The real issue is Obama and his decision to talk to the Iranians.

Actually, I'll be honest: I'm all for it. I'm for it for the same obvious reason that Obama is for it. I don't really think that he believes (nor do I believe) that this will make any progress. He obviously wants to give diplomacy a chance but, in reality, is trying to gear up momentum in the international community to back him for when this effort fails.

It's a valid point and I think a good one. Sometimes, a leader has to demonstrate that he tried all other venues before tougher measures can be taken. That is really what others in the international community are trying to say. And again, I agree: trying sometimes makes a better moral standing than not trying.

However, unlike Obama, I am not deluded by the promises of that community. Lest anyone forget, Bush also tried to do the same. He didn't originally want to go to the U.N., but he was talked into it because of the possible moral stance he could make when Iraq failed in compliance. Likewise, Israel also suffered from the same mistake by pulling out of Gaza. It wasn't a mistake to make that moral stance, but it was a mistake to believe that people would back you when you had the moral ground.

The fact is, while I believe inherently that it is essential for us to take the moral ground and make these gestures, I believe it is wrong to put our trust in others in the middle to back us when they fail.

I fear that when Obama discovers, much to his expectation, that Iran will not change its course during negotiations, that the U.S. will still not get the backing for tougher sanctions or, needless to say, military action when the time comes. It isn't to say that he is deluded, but I think he might have too high an opinion of his own rhetoric at times. Who knows? But my guess is that, once again, the U.S. and Israel, with only a few key allies, will once again stand alone.

584 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:06:07pm

re: #566 srb1976

I didn't say that it was how YOU were using it....just that in conversation, when applied to people, pathetic is USUALLY an insult....

I am not the only one to mention that.....I don't think I'm alone in this assesment

Whatever. What about the substance of the comment?

585 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:06:39pm

re: #580 Truck Monkey

With a name like Bush I am just surprised that the lefties didn't start calling him "shrub" and calling for him to be pruned!
/they did?

A couple of "comedians" used it another connotation.

586 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:07:38pm
587 Randall Gross  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:08:02pm

re: #572 avanti

I don't think the issue is using his middle name as in BHO, or even his full name including the middle is objectionable, but is a bit formal for everyday use. Just using the middle name, is a attempt at giving a negative impression and nothing more IMHO.
Imagine if one of the Bush's had a middle name of Adolf, and how the lefties would had used it.

He didn't so they called him "Chimpie" instead. Imagine if someone from the right called Obama that...

588 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:08:03pm

re: #553 justdanny

They arent Persians. Thats a western creation. They are Iranians. Thanks for the post though. :)

Huh?

Persian: Old French persien, from Latin Persia, via Greek from Old Persian pārsa ‘Persia’ ( modern Persian pārs, Arabic fārs).

The Old Persian name they gave their country until 1935 is the origin of the Western word "Persian". The name of their language is Farsi (a direct cognate, "p" often becomes "f" in phonetic evolution).

I know the name "Iran" was adopted in 1935, but I don't know why. I do know that many Iranians take great and justifiable pride in their ancient heritage. Do they generally take offense at someone calling them Persians? No snark, I really want to know.

589 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:08:53pm

I hereby promise to never mention Obama's middle name if he promises to never raise my taxes.

When the phone doesn't ring, I'll know it's him.

590 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:09:46pm

And why are Palin's kids fair game and Obama's off limits?

/hmmm

591 Randall Gross  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:09:47pm

re: #586 Iron Fist

Nope, nothing like that. I've looked through most of the registry, and run several different checks

592 avanti  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:10:37pm

re: #582 Thanos

Avanti: Obama's not a commie. However he is very oriented towards Eurosocialist technocracy, and doing the philosopher king dance. He uses terms like "social justice" almost as much as WCW and ANSWER, so I would expect a few to fling the commie label at him. He's not commie, but he is weak tea socialist, only being kept in check by his advisors, Congress, and our Constitution.

I won't argue that, he's a leftie and does show some European style socialist leanings. Weak tea socialist might not be far from the mark.

593 1SG(ret)  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:10:40pm

re: #583 Summer

I wish I shared your optimism that the US will stand with Israel under this administration.

594 Basho  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:10:47pm

re: #587 Thanos

He didn't so they called him "Chimpie" instead. Imagine if someone from the right called Obama that...

ROFL

595 justdanny  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:11:10pm

re: #563 BlueCanuck
I don't need a link to show me different than what I know is fact. Persian or Parsi, is a language. Iran is a place and Iranians are the people that live there.

I have been deeply involved with getting to know Iran and Iranians for years now. They are an amazing people living under a horrid regime that hijacked a popular rebellion for freedoms and turned it into an opportunity for monsters to inflict their monsterous hateful dogma of fear on a young naive populace.

596 Lynn B.  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:11:37pm

re: #40 Kosh's Shadow

In some ways, this is good. With the Mad Persian Ahmadinejad spouting off, the world will know Iran is still working on a bomb and plans to use it. The world won't do anything, though; that hasn't changed.

But if the opponent had won, the world could at least delude itself that Iran can be changed by talks.

Exactly right. Which is why Israel and most opponents of Iran getting the bomb have been hoping Ahmadinejad would win this election.

Daniel Pipes

Rooting for Ahmadinejad

Soli Shahvar (director of the Ezri Center for Iran and Persian Gulf Studies at the University of Haifa, Israel)

Mousavi bad for Israel

Meryl Yourish

Vote for Ahmadinejad—please.

597 Yankee Division Son  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:11:43pm

re: #379 1SG(ret)

54 today. Quit smoking 3 weeks ago. New taxes was the last straw for me. My wife says, our grocery bill has gone up about $100 bucks this month, and I've gained 11 pounds. I may die just as fast "fat" (can't run, knees are shot), but I feel better about not paying the taxes.

PS: realized recently my wife's perfume stinks, so I bought her some new stuff for my B-Day!

Happy Birthday Sarge! (from the son of a Sgt.)

598 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:12:05pm
599 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:12:08pm
Youtube Video
600 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:12:35pm

re: #496 MandyManners

1. So? You were the ONLY ONE EVER to ask that?

2. It came from me.

3. What the fuck?

1. Your point?

2. Feel free to contradict yourself from post to post.

3. quod erat demonstrandum

601 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:13:00pm

re: #590 Killian Bundy

And why are Palin's kids fair game and Obama's off limits?

/hmmm

Something to do with (d) vs (R).

602 Catttt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:13:07pm

The only Iranian I know is a young man (gorgeous, but that is neither here nor there) who considers himself Persian. He hates the Iranian regime but is proud of his Persian heritage.

When his dad decided to go back to Iran, he said no thanks - I'm staying in the USA. Did I mention he's cute as the dickens? Oh, I did. :D

603 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:13:13pm

Tell all anal-retentive jerks to kiss my ass.

604 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:13:48pm

re: #592 avanti

I won't argue that, he's a leftie and does show some European style socialist leanings. Weak teaFull blown socialist might not be far from the mark.

FTFY.

605 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:14:14pm

re: #600 Cato the Elder

1. Your point?

2. Feel free to contradict yourself from post to post.

3. quod erat demonstrandum

My No. 603 was posted before your No. 600.

606 BatGuano  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:14:22pm

re: #575 1SG(ret)

Thanks, No problem I'm easy to miss now that I've retired.....Now back in the day.....not so much

I think I know what you mean. I just missed you as I was skimming through this thread. I will never overlook your contribution to America. A thousand updings!

607 Miss Molly  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:14:44pm

It may not matter who wins the election in Iran as all the people running pledged to continue the nuclear program and I don't see Obama changing their minds.

608 Gearhead  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:14:46pm

I didn't really expect the challenger to win, and even then then chances of Iran making any substantial change in its behavior was slim to none, but I still can't help thinking "Well, shit!" when I see that ol' Armageddon-head has won.

May the Mullahs tire of him quickly.

609 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:14:47pm

re: #571 Iron Fist

If you really don't understand that "pathetic" would be seen as a gratuitous insult in this context then I advise you to stay out of bars. All your going to do is cause the bouncers grief. And probably get the shit kicked out of you.

Your concern for my physical welfare is appreciated.
What is the real problem here? Did I insult the wonderful Jew-loving, America-loving people of Iran, who freely chose the Islamic Republic?

610 Summer Seale  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:15:06pm

re: #593 1SG(ret)

I wish I shared your optimism that the US will stand with Israel under this administration.

I wouldn't say that I'm optimistic. I'd say that I'm trying to be hopeful. =)

611 formercorpsman  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:15:10pm

re: #588 Cato the Elder

If memory serves me, one of my classes alluded to the change to "Iran" was some sort of genuflect towards the Third Reich, somehow being a derivative of Aryan.

It is late, that was about 14 years ago, and I could be wrong.

Damn, Phils just ate it in the 13th inning.

612 ShanghaiEd  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:15:58pm

re: #587 Thanos

He didn't so they called him "Chimpie" instead. Imagine if someone from the right called Obama that...

Somebody from the right did, and carrying a monkey doll tagged "Barack" to McCain rallies became a small fad before it was pointed out and frowned on. Nobody familiar with the history of racism in the U.S. would claim that the derogatory terms "monkey," "ape," or "chimp" mean exactly the same for a white person and a black person.

613 MrPaulRevere  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:16:22pm

Thanos, anti-semitism in the heartland alert: "Lastly Cordish like all jews they look at money not black or white." [Link: www.tonyskansascity.com...]

614 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:16:44pm

re: #600 Cato the Elder

1. Your point?

2. Feel free to contradict yourself from post to post.

3. quod erat demonstrandum

Cato, kiss my ass.

615 irongrampa  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:17:02pm

Had just a super day today, as mentioned in another thread, we went to our school for Veteran's Appreciation Day,kidsd from grades 1-5 in the auditorium sang the National Anthem,recited the Pledge ,and they handed out awards to the retired and AD military. I stood next to a WW2 vet,pretty bent over and dinged up with age. When the color guard paraded the flag through, I watched this man shed years and stand tall once more. Got kinda dusty-eyed at that, but who cares.

Later we went to individual classrooms and spoke for a bit,a particular point was made to all the kids who had parents serving that ANYONE who serves or served in ANY capacity deserves to be honored for their service. I hope they took that to heart, it's SO true.

All in all, a great day.

616 John Neverbend  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:17:32pm

re: #556 Nevergiveup

The Yankees just beat the Mets when A-Rod popped to second with 2 men on with 2 outs and the Yanks down by 1. And the Met's second basemen dropped the ball and 2 runs scored and the Yanks won. Unbelievable.

You don't see that very often. A walk-off pop-up fly ball. Mind you, it helped that Jeter and Teixeira were running at full speed as soon as A-Rod hit the ball, otherwise I doubt if Teixeira would have reached home, and the game might still be in progress.

617 albusteve  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:17:39pm

re: #600 Cato the Elder

1. Your point?

2. Feel free to contradict yourself from post to post.

3. quod erat demonstrandum

so pompous it's laughable!....thanks

618 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:17:52pm

re: #595 justdanny

Funny I have known a few Iranians as well. They seem to identify both ways.

619 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:18:41pm

re: #600 Cato the Elder

Let us go back to your original post in which you tried to assume power from Charles in regards to his post.

FUCK YOU.

620 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:19:33pm

It's right up there.

621 Gus  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:19:44pm

re: #618 BlueCanuck

Funny I have known a few Iranians as well. They seem to identify both ways.

Would that make them Biranians?

///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

622 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:19:52pm

re: #616 John Neverbend

You don't see that very often. A walk-off pop-up fly ball. Mind you, it helped that Jeter and Teixeira were running at full speed as soon as A-Rod hit the ball, otherwise I doubt if Teixeira would have reached home, and the game might still be in progress.

Yeah your right and you know that there are some players that would not have been running, but Jeter and Teixeira do.

623 Miss Molly  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:20:00pm

If the "dinner jacket" does win the election in Iran I just can not imagine how he will keep his ego anywhere close to the earth. He will go on a tirade for months and months.

624 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:20:41pm
625 1SG(ret)  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:22:28pm

All,
Thanks for the well wishes and hope all have a great weekend. If I missed anyone, My apologizes.
Have to call my truly Lovely Wife and turn in for the night. Traveling can be a drag!
Work calls tomorrow!

626 formercorpsman  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:23:27pm

re: #625 1SG(ret)

HBD, I just left my 30's last week.

Cheers.

627 justdanny  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:23:36pm

re: #588 Cato the Elder
I have several close friends in Iran, some left, some right. The conservative daughter of a mullah. A liberal daughter of a thrice jailed liberal journalist, to highlight two of them. From the right and left, wealthy and poor they tell me they are Iranian and Persian does not describe who they are. Persian is a word used by non Iranians to describe those who live in Iran.

Radical anti western Iranians take offense at the use of the word to describe them. Smarter Iranians dont take offense to the term. They understand it as inaccurate, but seem to like it because in the west it has good connotations.

628 John Neverbend  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:25:08pm

re: #622 Nevergiveup

Yeah your right and you know that there are some players that would not have been running, but Jeter and Teixeira do.

Honestly, that should be standard policy for all players on all teams. 999 times out of 1,000, it will be in vain, but this was the 1 time when it mattered.

629 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:25:11pm

re: #590 Killian Bundy

I never considered Palin's Kid's fair game and neither did anyone with half an ounce of respectibility. When Bristol does media interviews, of course those are up for scrutiny because she put herself out there, but otherwise kids should be off limits regardless of party.

630 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:26:13pm

re: #614 MandyManners

Cato, kiss my ass.

No matter how our love may sour, you'll always get an upding from me, sweetcheeks.

I have my reasons.

631 Lynn B.  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:26:14pm

re: #623 Miss Molly

If the "dinner jacket" does win the election in Iran I just can not imagine how he will keep his ego anywhere close to the earth. He will go on a tirade for months and months.

That would be excellent.

Since Iran's policies and pursuit of the bomb aren't going to change one iota no matter who is elected, the more bellicose and offensive the spokesmouth, the better.

632 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:27:35pm

re: #630 Cato the Elder

No matter how our love may sour, you'll always get an upding from me, sweetcheeks.

I have my reasons.

Wow. Obsess much.

633 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:28:36pm

Is there a belief in America that the majority of Iranians love America and are neither anti-Semites nor homophobes?
Where is the evidence to support such an optimistic view?

634 1SG(ret)  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:29:00pm

re: #626 formercorpsman

That's so young of you to bring up...Oh, just for the record, I wouldn't be here today if it hadn't been for a corpsman. You guys and the Medics are the real heros of any war. I salute you, Brother!

635 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:29:29pm
636 JacksonTn  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:30:48pm

re: #630 Cato the Elder

No matter how our love may sour, you'll always get an upding from me, sweetcheeks.

I have my reasons.

CtE ... Sweetcheeks? ... you are a jerk for saying that ... and the post you highlighted is horrible ... you think you are smarter than almost everyone ... you may be book smart but you are not funny at all ... and your choice in Obama ... sucked ... not that you care what I think ... but I am telling you anyway ...

/and what is with all the Latin? ...

637 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:30:51pm

re: #635 taxfreekiller

In general.... Thank you sir.

638 formercorpsman  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:30:52pm

re: #634 1SG(ret)

Likewise my friend. Have a great day of reckoning.

Does it count if I feel old though?

639 Catttt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:31:57pm

re: #603 MandyManners

Tell all anal-retentive jerks to kiss my ass.

That statement has a circular feel to it. :D /Why do I feel I should follow that with jab jab wink wink say no more? :D

640 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:32:34pm

re: #630 Cato the Elder

No matter how our love may sour, you'll always get an upding from me, sweetcheeks.

I have my reasons.

Since you seem to be a stickler for the rules around here, you might want to consider heeding Charles' recent admonition against posting comments which engage in personal attacks on fellow lizards.

641 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:33:07pm

re: #639 Catttt

That statement has a circular feel to it. :D /Why do I feel I should follow that with jab jab wink wink say no more? :D

mm is my return to reality when i get too wrapped up in the details of day to day existence.

642 Catttt  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:33:08pm

re: #633 Spare O'Lake

Is there a belief in America that the majority of Iranians love America and are neither anti-Semites nor homophobes?
Where is the evidence to support such an optimistic view?

But I thought there were no gays in Iran!?! ///////////

643 justdanny  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:34:10pm

re: #633 Spare O'Lake

You really are a dumbass. Amazing. With all of the modern access to information you persist in being a simp. Hows that working for you? I pity your pathetic meatspace friends.

644 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:35:50pm

re: #643 justdanny

You really are a dumbass. Amazing. With all of the modern access to information you persist in being a simp. Hows that working for you? I pity your pathetic meatspace friends.

Is that the evidence, Danny?

645 Lynn B.  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:36:46pm

re: #630 Cato the Elder

I'd Turn Back If I Were You.

Seriously.

646 [deleted]  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:37:05pm
647 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:38:56pm

re: #572 avanti

I don't think the issue is using his middle name as in BHO, or even his full name including the middle is objectionable, but is a bit formal for everyday use. Just using the middle name, is a attempt at giving a negative impression and nothing more IMHO.
Imagine if one of the Bush's had a middle name of Adolf, and how the lefties would had used it.

Um, Avanti - I recall many lefties calling Bush "bushhitler" or some variation of that, and his middle name is nowhere near "adolf" or "hitler".

648 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:41:01pm

re: #627 justdanny

The reason why they identify as Iranian is because of the Islamists. Persians were zorastarians, fire worshippers or pagans. Ask your friends about the Haft Sin table that's set up for Nowruz.

649 Scion9  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:41:53pm

re: #643 justdanny

You really are a dumbass. Amazing. With all of the modern access to information you persist in being a simp. Hows that working for you? I pity your pathetic meatspace friends.

With all of the modern access to information, my research tells me Ron Paul is sure to win the '08 Presidential election. All I see with my access is a lot of misinformation.

A vocal minority with an internet presence is 'pro-American', which really only translates to not being completely anti-American. Elections don't mean anything in an undemocratic state like Iran.

650 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:42:05pm

re: #648 BlueCanuck

The reason why they identify as Iranian is because of the Islamists. Persians were zorastarians, fire worshippers or pagans. Ask your friends about the Haft Sin table that's set up for Nowruz.

Is that the reason they adopted "Iran" and "Iranian" in 1935?

651 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:43:30pm

re: #650 Cato the Elder

Tomato, Tomataho? Thanks for the upding.

652 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:43:56pm

re: #650 Cato the Elder

Unsure exactly, I am not a mind reader and I don't talk to the dead.

653 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:45:23pm

re: #651 CynicalConservative

Tomato, Tomataho? Thanks for the upding.

My pleasure!

654 Basho  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:46:54pm

re: #633 Spare O'Lake

Is there a belief in America that the majority of Iranians love America and are neither anti-Semites nor homophobes?
Where is the evidence to support such an optimistic view?

It comes from the national security journal Wishful Thinking.

655 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:47:28pm

re: #653 Cato the Elder

My pleasure!

S'all good. Don't have to agree. If we all agree, debate is just mental masturbation.

656 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:48:17pm

re: #635 taxfreekiller

...and yet you still refuse to dispute the fact that your Tea Party is funded by Ron Paul himself and is hosting lectures by prominent Truthers. I may be a classical liberal but at least I don't have to lie about my associations. The closest I come to Paulians and Truthers is debating them here on LGF.

657 Basho  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:49:50pm

re: #649 Scion9

Awesome response. Need to remember that for when I write the argumentative portion of the GRE exam.

658 covertress  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:51:37pm

IRNA, The Islamic Republic News Agency, reported hours ago that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has won the Iranian presidential election by "a majority of votes."

News Title: احمدي نژاد با کسب اکثريت آرا پيروز
شد

English Translation: Ahmadinejad by a majority votes triumphed.

The votes have already been counted?

It would seem that Ahmadinejad was indeed preordained the victor.

See the IRNA screen clipping at:

[Link: covertress.blogspot.com...]

659 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:52:41pm

re: #655 CynicalConservative

S'all good. Don't have to agree. If we all agree, debate is just mental masturbation.

True.

I often upding people I disagree with, when they make a good point well.

And most especially I upding those who call me names.

Because it's just a blog, after all.

Downdings are reserved for posts that I substantively disagree with. What do I care what a foul-mouthed harpy calls me? It's funny is what it is.

660 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:52:53pm

re: #656 Killgore Trout

Teaparties good, paulian hijacking bad. Middle ground anyone. Respect for TFK and KT.

/talk about conflicted

661 NY Nana  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:55:28pm

For any who doubt that Obama has, at the very least, socialist connections, please read the info on him, and his mentor, Saul Alinsky, who Shrillary also worshipped....

662 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 8:55:39pm

re: #659 Cato the Elder

True.

I often upding people I disagree with, when they make a good point well.

And most especially I upding those who call me names.

Because it's just a blog, after all.

Downdings are reserved for posts that I substantively disagree with. What do I care what a foul-mouthed harpy calls me? It's funny is what it is.

I like good debate. Dings are noise and I notice them more than I should. Look forward to further conversation.

663 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:07:26pm

re: #660 CynicalConservative

Teaparties good, paulian hijacking bad. Middle ground anyone


Paulians are not hijacking the Tea Parties, the Tea Parties have been around for years. Conservatives are joining them en masse. There's your problem.

664 Scion9  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:08:38pm

re: #650 Cato the Elder

Is that the reason they adopted "Iran" and "Iranian" in 1935?

Wikipedia article on the naming dispute between "Persia" and "Iran" here.

I think it comes down to a classical European view as to what qualifies as a nation or a people, which for a long time was based on language groups. The people of Iran speak Farsi. The latinized term comes out as Persian for people that speak Farsi.

The Iranians are apparently sticklers for everyone using their chosen name, while in reality most places and countries don't have a single name across all languages. The abbreviation for US in Spanish is actually EU, which causes me no end of confusion as one example. I don't see a lot of Americans getting bent out of shape and demanding that the Spanish speaking work start referring to us in English words though.

665 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:11:16pm

re: #658 covertress

See the IRNA screen clipping at:

[Link: covertress.blogspot.com...]

/or at the source, without the intervening, gratuitous blog pimp

666 covertress  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:20:31pm

#665

@Killian

When I wrote that, their server was "too busy" to handle the request and I thought everyone would enjoy the link (proof.)

Why be such a d***?

-c

667 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:25:25pm

re: #666 covertress

#665

@Killian

When I wrote that, their server was "too busy" to handle the request and I thought everyone would enjoy the link (proof.)

Why be such a d***?

-c

I just hate blog pimps.

/Charles gives us the avatar and nic to pimp our blogs

668 Lincolntf  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:31:23pm

re: #663 Killgore Trout

Still trolling Stormfront or have you actually seen a Tea Party yet?

669 covertress  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:33:15pm

@ Killian,

Good thing I use a pseudonym... otherwise you would be gunning for me, eh? Blog Nazi.

670 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:34:38pm

re: #669 covertress

@ Killian,

Good thing I use a pseudonym... otherwise you would be gunning for me, eh? Blog Nazi.

/whatever, I try not to pimp for traffic

671 Syrah  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 9:45:51pm

re: #664 Scion9

Estados Unidos de América (en inglés United States of America).

So long as the Tequila keeps flowing across the border by the truckload, I don't care what the call us.

672 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 10:04:19pm

I don't believe he got 80%. This whole business stinks.

673 guftafs  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 11:15:01pm

Media's coverage as this being free elections is deeply dishonest. That's all there is to it, I believe.

674 ladycatnip  Fri, Jun 12, 2009 11:23:58pm

#576 jcm

They self identify as Persian as well as Iranian. The Persian culture vs. the Islamic rule is a conflict we'd be well served to understand and exploit to achieve regime change.

They are rightfully proud of their 2500 year heritage as Persians.

Absolutely right. Our dear neighbor across the street is a Persian. Beautiful inside and out, in fact she just left from having dinner with us. There are times she'll surprise us with an entire meal she's prepared and brings it over to bless us. She and her family came over after the revolution - absolutely amazing people. And muslim, btw.

675 captdiggs  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:16:02am

Obama is, in my opinion, responsible for the Iranian election.
The mullahs saw that their course of action, including ahmadhininutjob's bizarre public pronouncements...has gotten Obama to turn the screws on Israel, while accepting Iran's nuclear desires.
A huge win for Iran.

676 ihateronpaul  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 7:35:43am

re: #13 Killgore Trout

The MSM coverage seems to ignore the fact that Iran is just about as democratic as the old Soviet Union. The people the to chose from a list of candidates offered by the mullahs. There are no surprises.

yeah, cause in america just about everyone can get elected. Politics is all about influence and power. And also, if the majority of a country votes for someone like ahmadinejad that sucks but that is how democracy works.

677 MacDuff  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 8:06:23am

re: #676 ihateronpaul

And also, if the majority of a country votes for someone like ahmadinejad that sucks but that is how democracy works.

Uh, you don't actually think that Iran is, by any stretch of the imagination, a "democracy", do you?

678 MacDuff  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 8:49:38am

re: #675 captdiggs

Obama is, in my opinion, responsible for the Iranian election.
The mullahs saw that their course of action, including ahmadhininutjob's bizarre public pronouncements...has gotten Obama to turn the screws on Israel, while accepting Iran's nuclear desires.
A huge win for Iran.

Words and posturing mean everything to these backwards theocracies and Obama has yet to confront them, not even in the name of the millions that are suffering under the heels of the Mullahs. Time and time again we have seen that they perceive flowery overtures of "peace" to be a sign of weakness and "negotiations" an opportunity to forward their own ambitions.

His tack has been to put heat on Israel to make further sacrifices in the interest of "peace", while neither Iran or their Arab neighbors can even come to a consensus on Israel's right to exist and publicly call for their outright destruction.

Pardon me if I don't smell the sweet smell of "Hope and Change" in the air. All I can smell is the acrid stench of more hatred and more war.

From his comments during the campaign of meeting "without preconditions" to his recent Middle Eastern tour during which he seemed to have credited Islam for everything short of the Space Program, he has telegraphed his malleability and that even giving the appearance of "moderation", on their part, is unnecessary. Obama has brought an olive branch to a gunfight and the Islamofascits know it.

679 djranger  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 9:29:18am

Great. I'm-a-dinner-jacket gets another four years to hasten the return of the 12th Imam.

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

680 Ezekiel2517  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 9:58:48am

Hardline "Conservative" maniac, OR, hardline theocrat maniac?

Decisions, decisions.

681 MacDuff  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 10:17:17am

re: #679 djranger

Great. I'm-a-dinner-jacket gets another four years to hasten the return of the 12th Imam.

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

.........and not to mention Obama "excited" by Iran's robust election debate. Will his excitement continue when opposition leaders are rounded up and "disappeared"?

682 Dave Brown  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:15:44am

re: #675 captdiggs

To be charitable, one could say that Obama's strategy of projecting a "moderate and conciliatory" American face was to "strengthen the moderates" (as opposed to a strategy of directly threatening Khamenei/GuardianCouncil/Ahmadinejad).

If so... well the strategy sure did not work.

So the real next test is: in the face of such an obvious rejection by either the Iranian people (assuming the vote was basically accurate) or the Iranian power elite (assuming the vote was totally rigged)... what next?

Unless Iran starts to back down (as my Iranian-American friends* hope it will, in new recognition of the sizable internal opposition), the US and its allies had better toughen up for the bad months ahead.

*Unfortunately, these are the same hopeful moderate folks that barely escaped their homeland, having once before misjudged the West's resolve to remain loyal to educated/secular/modern society.

Meanwhile, the nuclear clock just keeps on ticking quietly in the background.

683 MacDuff  Sat, Jun 13, 2009 11:55:47am

re: #682 Dave Brown

Essentially, the President totally misread the situation, as he was viewing the terrain through his "Hopey Changey" glasses, attempting to woo his Islamic audience with smooth rhetoric, his middle name and his Islamic "roots".

They may be crazy, but they're not stupid. I submit that is was a foolish strategy from its onset, based on a profound misunderstanding of the situation.

As I stated in #678:

Words and posturing mean everything to these backwards theocracies and Obama has yet to confront them, not even in the name of the millions that are suffering under the heels of the Mullahs. Time and time again we have seen that they perceive flowery overtures of "peace" to be a sign of weakness and "negotiations" an opportunity to forward their own ambitions.

His tack has been to put heat on Israel to make further sacrifices in the interest of "peace", while neither Iran or their Arab neighbors can even come to a consensus on Israel's right to exist and publicly call for their outright destruction.

Ahmadinejad was no more "elected by the people" than was Saddam. He's no more than a mouthpiece for the Mullahs who have decided that Ahmadinejad's belligerent rhetoric suits their ambitions.

As you stated:

"Meanwhile, the nuclear clock just keeps on ticking quietly in the background."

Yes; I couldn't agree more. When the alarm sounds, it will signal the ultimate repudiation of our decades-long failure to call evil by its name and this particular administration's embrace of sweet words in lieu of solid policy in the face of palpable threats.


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