We have a new entry in the “Is American politics weird enough yet?” sweepstakes: Sarah Palin bashes Rush Limbaugh.
“Governor Palin believes crude and demeaning name calling at the expense of others is disrespectful.”
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Silvergirl Thu, Feb 4, 2010 7:57:17pm |
So Limbaugh will either apologize, or act as if nothing happened, or justify it. Any other options?
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Racer X Thu, Feb 4, 2010 7:57:24pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 4, 2010 7:58:00pm |
Go Sarah! For the First time since the Presidential election, I can happily root for Sarah Palin. I hope she gives Rush a political beatdown, since he's a toxic asshole. Her cutting him back to size would be an act of social and political hygiene.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 4, 2010 7:58:56pm |
re: #1 windsagio
Nah, she's not really offended by Rush's statements which were made a while ago. She only made a statement now because she was asked to make one. Otherwise she wouldn't have said anything.
It's like the complaints about presidential vacations or golf games. Partisan idiots complain when the other side does it but nobody really cares.
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jaunte Thu, Feb 4, 2010 7:59:08pm |
“Crude and demeaning name-calling.”
That's the business he's in.
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arethusa Thu, Feb 4, 2010 7:59:28pm |
There's really no call for anyone to use the word "retard," ever. And Limbaugh is actually referring to the disabled. She should smack him down harder.
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Racer X Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:00:31pm |
Rahm Emanuel steps on his d&ck, and Rush steals the thunder for being the bigger a$$hole.
Nice job Rush. Idiot.
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windsagio Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:00:54pm |
re: #8 arethusa
but its okay to call someone 'brain damaged', eh? :p
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:01:29pm |
re: #4 Racer X
My severely mentally handicapped cousin passed away last year. Cary was 53 years old, lived with his parents (now elderly) who loved him so much, that for years they prayed that he would die before they did. I can't imagine being a parent praying for something like that.
The word used to upset my Aunt and Uncle to no end. It is out of respect for the caregivers that I will continue to fight against the use of the word.
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BryanS Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:01:37pm |
Interesting--in a train crash sort of way. Did Sarah really have any choice to slap down Rush after slamming a Dem for doing the same?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:02:12pm |
re: #6 Killgore Trout
Nah, she's not really offended by Rush's statements which were made a while ago. She only made a statement now because she was asked to make one. Otherwise she wouldn't have said anything.
It's like the complaints about presidential vacations or golf games. Partisan idiots complain when the other side does it but nobody really cares.
I'd say she's attacking offensive language as a cheap way to show she cares and to raise her political profile with a non-controversial issue.
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What, me worry? Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:02:53pm |
For once, I can safely say, I agree with Sarah Palin.
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windsagio Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:03:00pm |
re: #11 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Maybe its regional. My parents and siblings don't mind the word at all.
Neither do my co-workers, altho' we'd never apply it directly to a resident, we call each other 'retarded' all the time.
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political lunatic Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:03:35pm |
I would be kind of happy if that word gets bleeped out on TV and radio. It's offensive to actual people, and it's the lamest ad-hominem attack in the book
Also... EPIC BATTLE! Winner gets to be the de facto head of the RNC. I'll bet it all on Limbaugh because he'll say something incredibly sexist about her and Palin won't have the guts to defend herself. then again, who knows? I've given up on guessing how nuts the wingnuts can get since the summer.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:03:37pm |
re: #10 windsagio
but its okay to call someone 'brain damaged', eh? :p
I solve the problem by just not using name-calling in my verbal (or written) repertoire.
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The Left Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:04:05pm |
re: #9 Racer X
Rahm Emanuel steps on his d&ck, and Rush steals the thunder for being the bigger a$$hole.
Nice job Rush. Idiot.
Rahm's comments at least were made in a closed meeting with strategists and referred to the way liberal Dems were acting. And he's not wrong that they're acting fucking stupidly, although I wouldn't have used the word he did, probably.
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arethusa Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:04:09pm |
re: #2 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I don't like the word.
I also don't like the variations on it that you see sometimes, like "libtard."
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windsagio Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:04:17pm |
re: #17 reine.de.tout
Thats a good, if emotionally unsatisfying answer >>
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What, me worry? Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:04:19pm |
re: #13 Dark_Falcon
I'd say she's attacking offensive language as a cheap way to show she cares and to raise her political profile with a non-controversial issue.
Well it's not something to start a war over, but aren't these the words we tell our 5 year olds are swear words? It's rude and juvenile. Hence it comes outa Rush.
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Summer Seale Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:05:01pm |
Hi everyone!
Sarah Palin here. You know, I'm so proud that Americans here are rooting for me and cheering me on. It reminds me of that time when our team was down and we were just cheerin' our hearts out, and then with my help of prayer, a snow blizzard came in and the game got cancelled so nobody lost!
I'm just that kinda person. I like to give both sides an equal chance and, you know, it's that kinda thing you learn from bein' a mom with lots of kids when you watch them squabblin' and stuff. Sometimes you just have to step in and say enough's enough!
You think it shows that I'm qualified to be President?
You betcha!
xoxoxoxox,
Sarah Palin.
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nickzi Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:05:14pm |
If Palin intends to close down any GOP flack or spokes-critter who is cruel and degrading, I assume Fox News will be out of business tomorrow, along with Malkin, Coulter, O'Reilly, John McCain....
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:05:23pm |
re: #8 arethusa
There's really no call for anyone to use the word "retard," ever. And Limbaugh is actually referring to the disabled. She should smack him down harder.
In reference to other people, perhaps, but "retard" can mean more things than just "mentally retarded".
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windsagio Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:05:23pm |
re: #13 Dark_Falcon
dude, I missed that. I think its right on tho'. Either that or she has the converts zeal on the subject.
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Irenicum Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:06:00pm |
As much as I'm not a fan of Palin, she's right on this. Rush and Rahm are both wrong and should be called out on this kind of verbiage. It's disgusting. I worked for nearly ten years with the developmentally disabled, and was enriched by my interaction with them. Each and every one of them taught me more of what it is to be human.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:06:52pm |
re: #11 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
My severely mentally handicapped cousin passed away last year. Cary was 53 years old, lived with his parents (now elderly) who loved him so much, that for years they prayed that he would die before they did. I can't imagine being a parent praying for something like that.
The word used to upset my Aunt and Uncle to no end. It is out of respect for the caregivers that I will continue to fight against the use of the word.
My daughter was talking about her friend's severely mentally handicapped brother the other day, and I was wondering what the girl's parents were doing about arranging for care for this young man after they died. It's something these parents need to think about. FBV - your story brought tears to my eyes.
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What, me worry? Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:07:11pm |
re: #24 Slumbering Behemoth
In reference to other people, perhaps, but "retard" can mean more things than just "mentally retarded".
I'm quite sure in this instance, he wasn't talking about flammability.
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keloyd Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:07:45pm |
Given her lack of curiosity on every subject outside of shopping, given her lack of depth, given her total self-absorbtion, what is the probability that she would care about the use of this word if she hadn't had a son with Down Syndrome?
In other news, the Wall Street Journal had a longish article about families with adult Down Syndrome members. George Will's son has the same thing. Many can get driver's licenses.
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arethusa Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:08:01pm |
re: #24 Slumbering Behemoth
In reference to other people, perhaps, but "retard" can mean more things than just "mentally retarded".
Sure, it's a verb and so on, with no negative connotations. But it shouldn't be used like Limbaugh used it.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:08:22pm |
re: #17 reine.de.tout
I solve the problem by just not using name-calling in my verbal (or written) repertoire.
What the heck are you talking about? You call me names all the time!
/"sweetie" is one of my favorites.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:08:24pm |
Well, not sure how powerful this rebut is:
Limbaugh used the "r" word repeatedly during his daily radio show yesterday. When the Palin camp was asked for comment by the Washington Post, they replied via e-mail that,“Governor Palin believes crude and demeaning name calling at the expense of others is disrespectful.”
Palin officials say that is the same comment they have given reporters for a host of other instances where someone had used the "r" word and they are not singling out Limbaugh.
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windsagio Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:08:55pm |
re: #28 reine.de.tout
well they certainly should make plans. In our family we all have it directly planned out (no way in hell he's ending up in a group home).
If they don't have family that can provide care, they should look into organizations ahead of time and make sure its a quality place. Alot of the facilities you wouldn't wish on a mass-murderer.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:09:15pm |
re: #25 windsagio
dude, I missed that. I think its right on tho'. Either that or she has the converts zeal on the subject.
I hope its the latter. She could do a lot of good if she gave it to Rush with the Bark on and exposed him as the hateful, foul-tempered, horse's ass that he is.
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Eclectic Infidel Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:10:39pm |
I see this going nowhere fast. That said, time will tell if she remains consistent with her own verbiage.
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The Sanity Inspector Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:10:49pm |
Not entirely off-topic:
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reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:11:07pm |
re: #34 windsagio
well they certainly should make plans. In our family we all have it directly planned out (no way in hell he's ending up in a group home).
If they don't have family that can provide care, they should look into organizations ahead of time and make sure its a quality place. Alot of the facilities you wouldn't wish on a mass-murderer.
They have made some plans.
But I think about how difficult it must be on parents, who love their children regardless of handicapped state - to know that once they're gone, whatever place their child ends up being still won't provide the sense of love and stability they had at home. I can't imagine . . .
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:11:24pm |
re: #36 Racer X
That can't be real, can it?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:11:29pm |
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Racer X Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:11:50pm |
The last guy to inappropriately use the "R" word was taken into the woods by a bunch of hippies and
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Racer X Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:12:18pm |
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reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:12:22pm |
re: #20 windsagio
Thats a good, if emotionally unsatisfying answer >>
heheh.
I pound on the keyboard instead.
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windsagio Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:12:51pm |
re: #40 reine.de.tout
Its tough, but thats why you plan carefully.
And its a mistake (as per FBV's story above) to think that the child can't possibly live without them (to the point of praying for their deaths!). I've worked with a few people who didn't get out of their parents home until their mid-50s, and they really started living then.
Their vocabularies increased, they started exploring their own likes, it goes on and on.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:12:57pm |
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Firstinla Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:13:01pm |
As with so many other words, it is time to retire "retard." I have a younger brother who is mentally challenged but he is anything but retarded. He is 53 years old and has the mind of a 4 or 5 year old. But he is incredibly gifted as an artist, he is compassionate to every living creature and has been an awesome teacher for the family. Helen Keller was referred to as "deaf and dumb." We no longer refer to people who are mute as "dumb." An evolving society will always refine its speech.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:14:21pm |
re: #43 Racer X
The last guy to inappropriately use the "R" word was taken into the woods by a bunch of hippies and
You should put an NSFW warning on that one. The woman are topless, though their boobs are nothing to write home about (sorry, I'm a guy).
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:14:26pm |
re: #12 BryanS
Interesting--in a train crash sort of way. Did Sarah really have any choice to slap down Rush after slamming a Dem for doing the same?
She could have said that Rush was an entertainer, or was using humor to critique Emanuel. Both of those are the standard excuses when Rush goes off.
I have a grudging respect that she didn't take those outs.
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windsagio Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:14:33pm |
re: #48 Firstinla
'dumb' went the opposite direction from what you're saying :p
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Racer X Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:16:25pm |
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reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:16:40pm |
re: #46 windsagio
Its tough, but thats why you plan carefully.
And its a mistake (as per FBV's story above) to think that the child can't possibly live without them (to the point of praying for their deaths!). I've worked with a few people who didn't get out of their parents home until their mid-50s, and they really started living then.
Their vocabularies increased, they started exploring their own likes, it goes on and on.
Well, I'm glad to hear this.
And this young man lives away from home for 6 months, then home for 6 months, which sounds to me a good way to make an adjustment. Other people I've known, however, haven't even given their handicapped kids the benefit of training programs that are available. I'm thinking specifically of one young man who is perfectly capable of working at a simple job, but the parents won't let him go. They are doing him a great disservice, imo.
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Irenicum Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:16:51pm |
re: #30 keloyd
Thanks for mentioning that. I'll definitely read that. There are so many preconceived notions of what it is to be "retarded" intellectually. It's like some people haven't ever gotten past the of Mice and Men stereotype. Ironically, it's those so willing to use the phrase "retard" who are emotionally and spiritually disabled. I'll take any intellectually disabled person who is emotionally smart over any intellectual asshole like Rush.
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windsagio Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:17:38pm |
re: #55 reine.de.tout
oh absolutely. And I should be careful about this subject, its very close to home to me, and I'm about to explode with rage.
Maybe I should get a drink... no, that might make it worse.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:17:47pm |
re: #51 Dark_Falcon
You should put an NSFW warning on that one. The woman are topless, though their boobs are nothing to write home about (sorry, I'm a guy).
Ur doin it rong.
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Racer X Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:17:51pm |
re: #51 Dark_Falcon
You should put an NSFW warning on that one. The woman are topless, though their boobs are nothing to write home about (sorry, I'm a guy).
Yes sorry, I forgot to add nsfw. Although, if you've seen one you've seen them both.
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What, me worry? Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:17:52pm |
re: #52 SanFranciscoZionist
She could have said that Rush was an entertainer, or was using humor to critique Emanuel. Both of those are the standard excuses when Rush goes off.
I have a grudging respect that she didn't take those outs.
The thing is, if she had not had Trig, she probably wouldn't have said anything.
But it's still good that she said it.
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Ojoe Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:18:26pm |
I would like them all to just say
Neener Neener Neener.
That would be the standard political speech.
And now Candidate A:
"Neenerneenerneener!"
And in reply, candidate B:
"Neenerneenerneener!"
• • •
Good night.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:18:28pm |
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wee fury Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:18:38pm |
This is an interesting snippet of an article regarding the word (from 3/2009)
While "retard" itself was never a medical term, it derives from the phrase "mental retardation," which by around 1900 was commonly used by scientists and doctors, said Peter Berns, executive director of The Arc of the United States, a nonprofit advocate for those with intellectual and developmental disabilities.Even though Berns said its pejorative connotation was established in the 1960s, the phrase "mental retardation" is still used in many state and federal laws, much to the dismay of those trying to stamp out its use.
"People with intellectual disabilities themselves really mounted a movement that they did not want to be referred to with the word 'retarded,'" he said.
As such, the American Association of Mental Retardation changed its name in 2007 to the American Association on Intellectual and Developmental Disabilities after its members pleaded for the organization to do so. In another sign that the formal use of the term "mentally retarded" had lost currency, The Associated Press replaced it in its stylebook in 2008 with "mentally disabled.
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Lib Wingnut Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:18:45pm |
re: #51 Dark_Falcon
You should see the unrated version of that video. All the more reason to love The Flaming Lips! Especially after a naked bike ride!
/gag reflex
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Silvergirl Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:19:12pm |
re: #51 Dark_Falcon
You should put an NSFW warning on that one. The woman are topless, though their boobs are nothing to write home about (sorry, I'm a guy).
Only if the people at work have incredibly sharp vision. That would be hard to spot walking by a monitor. The eye goes to the boy in the bubble.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:19:25pm |
Fetch me a new bag of popcorn!re: #29 marjoriemoon
I'm quite sure in this instance, he wasn't talking about flammability.
"What's that?"
"That's retardent!"
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:19:43pm |
re: #60 marjoriemoon
The thing is, if she had not had Trig, she probably wouldn't have said anything.
But it's still good that she said it.
Sometimes you don't really understand something until it happens to someone close to you.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:20:05pm |
re: #30 keloyd
Given her lack of curiosity on every subject outside of shopping, given her lack of depth, given her total self-absorbtion, what is the probability that she would care about the use of this word if she hadn't had a son with Down Syndrome?
In other news, the Wall Street Journal had a longish article about families with adult Down Syndrome members. George Will's son has the same thing. Many can get driver's licenses.
I'm pretty damn sure she wouldn't speak out if it weren't for her son, but on the other hand, having a family member with a particular disability or circumstance has made activists out of stranger people than Palin.
And the world has definitely become a better place for those with Down in a lot of ways. Educationally and in terms of making regular adult things like driving and dating and holding down a job, we've learned a lot over the past few generations.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:20:10pm |
re: #59 Racer X
Yes sorry, I forgot to add nsfw. Although, if you've seen one you've seen them both.
"Once you've seen one set of breasts... you kind of want to see them all."
-Ron White
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Racer X Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:20:23pm |
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arethusa Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:21:03pm |
re: #60 marjoriemoon
The thing is, if she had not had Trig, she probably wouldn't have said anything.
I think that's why most people, especially on disability issues, come to speak out. Personal experience. I know I probably wouldn't even think very much about people with any kind of disability if I didn't have disabled family members. And the more voices on this issue, the better for everyone.
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BryanS Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:21:12pm |
re: #52 SanFranciscoZionist
She could have said that Rush was an entertainer, or was using humor to critique Emanuel. Both of those are the standard excuses when Rush goes off.
I have a grudging respect that she didn't take those outs.
I suppose she could have , but she would have looked hypocritical. From a pol's point of view, she said the only thing she could have said. Hypocrisy to a politician is worse than most other corruptions they can succumb to.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:21:30pm |
re: #56 Irenicum
Thanks for mentioning that. I'll definitely read that. There are so many preconceived notions of what it is to be "retarded" intellectually. It's like some people haven't ever gotten past the of Mice and Men stereotype. Ironically, it's those so willing to use the phrase "retard" who are emotionally and spiritually disabled. I'll take any intellectually disabled person who is emotionally smart over any intellectual asshole like Rush.
A lot of comedians I like use the term. I don't think they're emotionally disabled, I think they're just using a colloquial insult that has been in use for decades. Maybe it's to the level of profanity, but I wouldn't say it's the equal of a slur, because we still refer to able-bodied people as disabled, as a turn of phrase, as slang. Like Windy said, we refer to people as "brain damaged", "blind", "lame", "deaf". I don't think I insulted all blind people by hollering at the ref during a Sonics game when he clearly missed a travelling call in the 4th quarter.
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windsagio Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:21:54pm |
on a sidenote, the romanticization of the disabled is a really strange thing. They're complex human beings, not cuddly hug-machines.
Also, 'dumb' is the perfect example of what WAS happening with the word 'retard'. Nobody in the business uses the term ever to refer to people with disabliities. It was quickly on its way to lose its meaning, but certain activist groups thought they had something they could use to 'raise awareness'.
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What, me worry? Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:21:56pm |
re: #69 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm pretty damn sure she wouldn't speak out if it weren't for her son, but on the other hand, having a family member with a particular disability or circumstance has made activists out of stranger people than Palin.
And the world has definitely become a better place for those with Down in a lot of ways. Educationally and in terms of making regular adult things like driving and dating and holding down a job, we've learned a lot over the past few generations.
Sure. Look at Christopher Reeves.
I can credit her with saying the right thing. Doesn't mean I like her any more than I did before.
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:22:03pm |
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Racer X Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:22:14pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:22:17pm |
re: #66 Silvergirl
Only if the people at work have incredibly sharp vision. That would be hard to spot walking by a monitor. The eye goes to the boy in the bubble.
True, but bosses often have the ability to see what you're viewing now and everything you have viewed. And if they saw that you'd spent time looking at that photo, you'd be in trouble. However, if you clicked on it once then closed right away you'd probably be fine.
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Firstinla Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:22:17pm |
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windsagio Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:23:04pm |
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wee fury Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:23:37pm |
re: #48 Firstinla
As with so many other words, it is time to retire "retard." I have a younger brother who is mentally challenged but he is anything but retarded. He is 53 years old and has the mind of a 4 or 5 year old. But he is incredibly gifted as an artist, he is compassionate to every living creature and has been an awesome teacher for the family. Helen Keller was referred to as "deaf and dumb." We no longer refer to people who are mute as "dumb." An evolving society will always refine its speech.
Yes. A 1930 MN school census record asks the questions for each child enrolled: Name, age, Parents names, grade, address and 'if simple minded' (yes or no).
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Irenicum Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:23:41pm |
re: #55 reine.de.tout
I've seen that too and it's very sad. There are so many great programs out there for men and women who are disabled so that they can become more independent. Why not take advantage of them?
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Boondock St. Bender Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:24:02pm |
A rather softball responce to say the least.i would have expected more invective from the barracuda.......
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:24:15pm |
re: #63 wee fury
This is an interesting snippet of an article regarding the word (from 3/2009)
"Mentally retarded" is an inaccurate phrase for such an organization, because some of the people they represent had illnesses as teenagers or adults (like meningitis), or injuries that caused their condition. DD is just more accurate clinical language.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:24:22pm |
re: #40 reine.de.tout
They have made some plans.
But I think about how difficult it must be on parents, who love their children regardless of handicapped state - to know that once they're gone, whatever place their child ends up being still won't provide the sense of love and stability they had at home. I can't imagine . . .
Honestly, it's not much different than the love a child provides for it's elders, who are mentally incapable. It's really scary to imagine them alone in the world. Elderly Uncle with Alzheimers, lived alone FAR longer than he should have.
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Racer X Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:24:51pm |
Sorry. That last image was entirely inappropriate.
This one is very cool though. Screensaver worthy.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:24:57pm |
re: #79 Alouette
No, but she can see Russia from her house!
SHE NEVER SAID THAT!
:pounds keyboard, stamps widdle feet:
/Angry Palin-head off
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:25:20pm |
re: #78 marjoriemoon
Sure. Look at Christopher Reeves.
I can credit her with saying the right thing. Doesn't mean I like her any more than I did before.
Oh, I still can't stand her. But credit where, all of that.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:25:37pm |
re: #80 Racer X
That's a whale of a picture you have there.
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:25:39pm |
Hypocrisy Alert:
Please forgive me, but I really must ask:
How many right here have called Sarah Palin an "effin' retard" when speaking privately to your buddies?
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windsagio Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:25:58pm |
re: #88 Floral Giraffe
Then its about *you* not *them*.
Its your insecurity and fear (or desire to be needed), not their best interests.
On the second part, you're right. Leaving someone on their own too long can be simply disasterous.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:27:00pm |
re: #84 wee fury
Yes. A 1930 MN school census record asks the questions for each child enrolled: Name, age, Parents names, grade, address and 'if simple minded' (yes or no).
When my father was a child, he had a developmentally disabled classmate. The public school wouldn't enroll the kid, so his parents begged the nuns to let him start school.
My dad says that a bunch of boys made fun of this child. Once. Sister made them kneel in the corner and say the rosary for a very long time, and no one did that again.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:27:24pm |
re: #86 Boondock St. Bender
A rather softball responce to say the least.i would have expected more invective from the barracuda...
It is. She's soft-pedalling it.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:27:28pm |
Hey everyone, just passing thru. I'm planning to get up early tomorrow, go to work early, and leave as soon as the snow starts piling up. I already brought some work home, so if I get at least a half day in tomorrow I'lll be able to make it up this weekend and get a full 8 hour's pay.
Things are starting to get insane here because of snow panic. All I need for the weekend is some pork shoulder or chicken leg quarters to barbecue Sunday. I stopped by the grocery store after band practice - around 10:30 - thinking people would have stopped the crazy milk and toilet paper hoarding by now. I was wrong. The checkout lines were going at least halfway down the aisles. I just left and went home.
No barbecue Sunday (maybe) but I have all of the food I need for the weekend.
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Boondock St. Bender Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:27:32pm |
re: #94 Spare O'Lake
i never have....actually haven't used the phrase since i was 12...maybe 13.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:27:35pm |
re: #77 windsagio
on a sidenote, the romanticization of the disabled is a really strange thing. They're complex human beings, not cuddly hug-machines.
Also, 'dumb' is the perfect example of what WAS happening with the word 'retard'. Nobody in the business uses the term ever to refer to people with disabliities. It was quickly on its way to lose its meaning, but certain activist groups thought they had something they could use to 'raise awareness'.
Boldfaced for emphasis. You have a turn of phrase which was becoming neutral colloquial language, and then it turned around.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:27:37pm |
re: #94 Spare O'Lake
Hypocrisy Alert:
Please forgive me, but I really must ask:
How many right here have called Sarah Palin an "effin' retard" when speaking privately to your buddies?
No me, brother. I have called her a "idiotic twit" but that's not the same thing.
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:27:40pm |
re: #94 Spare O'Lake
Hypocrisy Alert:
Please forgive me, but I really must ask:
How many right here have called Sarah Palin an "effin' retard" when speaking privately to your buddies?
I actually listened to Rush's show today... he outlined the whole game plan & this is right on script.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:28:15pm |
re: #60 marjoriemoon
The thing is, if she had not had Trig, she probably wouldn't have said anything.
But it's still good that she said it.
Well you know what they say, a Republican is a democrat who has been mugged.
It's sort of reversed in this situation,
You find a Republican who has a family member who has been "stricken" with a gay or special needs daughter, if they have any sort of soul at all (even Dick Cheney meats this standard!) you find a Republican who has left leaning views on special needs or gays....
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What, me worry? Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:28:27pm |
re: #72 arethusa
I think that's why most people, especially on disability issues, come to speak out. Personal experience. I know I probably wouldn't even think very much about people with any kind of disability if I didn't have disabled family members. And the more voices on this issue, the better for everyone.
That's true. But when it's in a political arena, there can always be (and usually is) an agenda behind the statement.
There's a lot of things to call Rush out on besides this. Has she ever done it before?
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:28:39pm |
I actually prefer honestly crude and demeaning to dogwhistly sneaky-ass and stupid comments.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:29:11pm |
re: #94 Spare O'Lake
Hypocrisy Alert:
Please forgive me, but I really must ask:
How many right here have called Sarah Palin an "effin' retard" when speaking privately to your buddies?
I've done it! I've called her far worse than that over pints at a pub, during the campaign.
But I argue for the use of the word, so not hypocritical :D
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Racer X Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:29:29pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:29:34pm |
re: #94 Spare O'Lake
Hypocrisy Alert:
Please forgive me, but I really must ask:
How many right here have called Sarah Palin an "effin' retard" when speaking privately to your buddies?
I have called her an idiot. Does that count?
I don't use the other. Ever. When I was in first grade, I came home and referred to the kids from the special ed classes as 'the retardos', because that's what the other kids called them.
My mother DEALT with that.
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:29:36pm |
re: #90 Slumbering Behemoth
SHE NEVER SAID THAT!
:pounds keyboard, stamps widdle feet:
/Angry Palin-head off
I know Sarah Palin never said that, but Tina Fey did.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:29:36pm |
re: #93 Slumbering Behemoth
That's a whale of a picture you have there.
Notice where the whales eyes were focused?
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arethusa Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:29:52pm |
re: #76 WindUpBird
Like Windy said, we refer to people as "brain damaged", "blind", "lame", "deaf". I don't think I insulted all blind people by hollering at the ref during a Sonics game when he clearly missed a travelling call in the 4th quarter.
I think it's partly because most people realize a blind person is more than just blindness, or a deaf person is more than just hearing impaired - they're not the same as their disability. Somebody already mentioned Helen Keller. But when you call someone "retarded," to me it's very different - it limits them to being just that and nothing else, as if they weren't even the complex human beings windsagio rightly says they are.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:30:00pm |
re: #106 Cato the Elder
I actually prefer honestly crude and demeaning to dogwhistly sneaky-ass and stupid comments.
Don Rickles would never have thrived in this environment.
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Racer X Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:30:13pm |
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:30:32pm |
re: #94 Spare O'Lake
Hypocrisy Alert:
Please forgive me, but I really must ask:
How many right here have called Sarah Palin an "effin' retard" when speaking privately to your buddies?
Not me.
But I will call her that tomorrow just to live up to your expectations.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:30:33pm |
re: #111 Alouette
I know, I'm just goofing.
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windsagio Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:30:39pm |
I've called a ton of people on here retarded, so I guess I'm not a hypocrite :P
PS: Think Charles has seen the wrangling about it on here the last few days and is messing with us? >>
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:30:42pm |
re: #98 Mad Al-Jaffee
You're not shitting about the panic.
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windsagio Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:31:44pm |
re: #113 arethusa
thats crazy, and out of touch with the reality.
I've never seen an adult call an actual person with disabilities retarded. Can you say that about black people, or gays?
The focus on 'retard' is a step backwards.
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prairiefire Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:31:56pm |
My Mother-In-Law: We tried the black, it's time for a woman!
Me: She's a goofball!
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:32:39pm |
re: #95 windsagio
No, it's worry about an incapacitated persons safety and happiness.
It's not about me. It's about providing lasting care for others, who can't provide it for themselves.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:34:11pm |
re: #113 arethusa
I think it's partly because most people realize a blind person is more than just blindness, or a deaf person is more than just hearing impaired - they're not the same as their disability. Somebody already mentioned Helen Keller. But when you call someone "retarded," to me it's very different - it limits them to being just that and nothing else, as if they weren't even the complex human beings windsagio rightly says they are.
It's a fair point. i don't agree with it, I think it's just slang for "acting really stupid" and I also acknowledge the use of "gay" as teens use it, is not a slur, it's just become slang. I love slang. I love literate and foul-mouthed comedians, I like bad language. George Carlin, Bill Hicks, Richard Pryor, Chris Rock, and so on. I'm not afraid of it. I don't go around calling a developmentally disabled person thsoe things.
And as someone who has worked in a health care non-profit asn a caregiver with developmentally disabled people for over 10 years, I think I can at least ask for the benefit of the doubt as someone who is not emotionally disabled.
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windsagio Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:34:13pm |
re: #122 Floral Giraffe
not you literally, the 'general you' :p
(didn't we do this before, or was that someone else?)
Provide for care, absolutely. Just make sure that you have the PERSONS best needs in mind not your own, either financially or emotionally.
We have to take a ton of classes on this. It doesn't just happen with families.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:34:39pm |
I noticed tonight that the embedded videos from previous threads aren't showing up. I haven't changed any of my computer's settings. Anyone else having this problem?
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jamesfirecat Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:34:53pm |
re: #107 windsagio
See Nixon and the ADA.
And aren't Regan's kids in favor of stem cells what with how they can help fight Alzheimer's...
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:35:29pm |
re: #103 jamesfirecat
Well you know what they say, a Republican is a democrat who has been mugged.
It's sort of reversed in this situation,
You find a Republican who has a family member who has been "stricken" with a gay or special needs daughter, if they have any sort of soul at all (even Dick Cheney meats this standard!) you find a Republican who has left leaning views on special needs or gays...
I've been mugged. Still a liberal! But yeah, point is taken. :D
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reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:36:09pm |
re: #125 windsagio
not you literally, the 'general you' :p
(didn't we do this before, or was that someone else?)
Provide for care, absolutely. Just make sure that you have the PERSONS best needs in mind not your own, either financially or emotionally.
We have to take a ton of classes on this. It doesn't just happen with families.
'twas me with the "you" business.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:36:11pm |
re: #127 jamesfirecat
And aren't Regan's kids in favor of stem cells what with how they can help fight Alzheimer's...
And Nancy Reagan as well.
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webevintage Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:36:22pm |
If Palin was really upset at Rush she would be frothing all over facebook and demanding he be fired instead of having Maureen make a statement for her.
Retard is an annoying word but so is Palin.
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BryanS Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:37:16pm |
re: #127 jamesfirecat
And aren't Regan's kids in favor of stem cells what with how they can help fight Alzheimer's...
Not quite the same--Ron Reagan Jr is a lefty. Can't call his position politically convenient
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What, me worry? Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:37:22pm |
re: #110 SanFranciscoZionist
I have called her an idiot. Does that count?
I don't use the other. Ever. When I was in first grade, I came home and referred to the kids from the special ed classes as 'the retardos', because that's what the other kids called them.
My mother DEALT with that.
I called her worse than idiot! But I never called her a retard.
Ok... so my hubby and I were having a terrible fight and he wanted to call me me a sack of shit. But he just said, "You're a sack...." and stopped himself. And then it was just quite funny. So now we call each other sacks.
We retold this to the s-i-l. One evening, we were a bit liquored up and she started yelling at her brother. She wanted to call him a Sack, but forgot the word and instead called him a Bag. We got a lot of mileage out of that too.
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lostlakehiker Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:37:35pm |
re: #48 Firstinla
As with so many other words, it is time to retire "retard." I have a younger brother who is mentally challenged but he is anything but retarded. He is 53 years old and has the mind of a 4 or 5 year old. But he is incredibly gifted as an artist, he is compassionate to every living creature and has been an awesome teacher for the family. Helen Keller was referred to as "deaf and dumb." We no longer refer to people who are mute as "dumb." An evolving society will always refine its speech.
"Retarded" is the product of the sisyphean project of cleansing the language of insults related to cognitive impairment.
We've gone through idiot and moron (originally technical terms, coined for the purpose of getting away from earlier, homely terms such as lackwit, simpleton, and fool). We've now exhausted "retarded", a term that attempts to suggest that the victim is merely behind schedule, and we will soon exhaust "developmentally delayed". This last phrase is a pernicious use of language because there are many young people who are in truth cognitively quite well equipped but who fall behind schedule in speech or motor development. These people are in truth developmentally delayed, but they are by no stretch of the imagination "developmentally delayed" aka retarded aka moron, idiot, simpleton, or fool.
The trouble lies in a human propensity to convert words for medical misfortunes into words of contempt and loathing. This won't go away because it's part of the basic hardwiring of primate brains, something we know because we see the same equation displayed in the communicative behavior of great apes and even monkeys, in experimental settings.
The best we can hope for is that our leaders and trend-setters will govern their mouths better than the common crowd.
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arethusa Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:37:49pm |
re: #120 windsagio
Let me put it this way. The one word is often taken as a slur. You call someone retarded (or even stupid), they'll usually take offense and be hurt (at least, most people I know). You call them blind, I don't think it has the same effect.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:38:01pm |
I missed the original thread about Palin and the R-word, so my comment is a little behind. I'm just wondering why she goes after Rahm with such bluster (fire him!) and now to Rush...."Palin officials say that is the same comment they have given reporters for a host of other instances where someone had used the "r" word and they are not singling out Limbaugh"
I also wonder about how she singled out Rahm's brother with the Death Panel rant.
Oh yeah, why am I even wondering about Palin's thought processes.
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Firstinla Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:38:40pm |
I've had a couple problems with the embed this evening but it's okay because I get to read all the posts. Usually I've hours behind on the threads because there are so many interesting embeds. Especially the music. Thanks for the music, folks!
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:38:49pm |
re: #121 prairiefire
My Mother-In-Law: We tried the black, it's time for a woman!
Me: She's a goofball!
Heh. Gotta love those inlaws.
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arethusa Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:38:50pm |
re: #124 WindUpBird
And as someone who has worked in a health care non-profit asn a caregiver with developmentally disabled people for over 10 years, I think I can at least ask for the benefit of the doubt as someone who is not emotionally disabled.
Not attacking you; just trying to explain what the difference is to me, anyway.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:39:16pm |
re: #132 BryanS
Not quite the same--Ron Reagan Jr is a lefty. Can't call his position politically convenient
Well what about the Nancy Regan example listed above?
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:39:21pm |
Mother: Now kids, I don't want you saying that Billy is "retarded." That is not a nice word and it hurts Billy's feelings.
Kid: That's so gay.
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BryanS Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:41:17pm |
re: #141 jamesfirecat
Well what about the Nancy Regan example listed above?
She fits the example--just agreeing that the important fact is the family relation, not the politics while pointing out Ron Reagan Jr isn't an example of "political hypocrisy".
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:41:21pm |
re: #140 arethusa
Not attacking you; just trying to explain what the difference is to me, anyway.
I know, that was sort of to LGF in general. There's a lot of value judgements being tossed around at people who use slang.
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windsagio Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:41:34pm |
re: #135 arethusa
if someone calls me a retard, its no worse than someone calling me stupid.
But then again, the disabled are demystified to me :p
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:42:18pm |
re: #141 jamesfirecat
Well what about the Nancy Regan example listed above?
Nancy would not qualify as a conservative with the Tea Party crowd, and neither would her late husband. The real Ronald Reagan would be blasted by them as a RINO.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:42:23pm |
Well, folks, this has been a very interesting conversation.
Tomorrow I have to get up and drive to my hometown - through the miracle of Facebook, many of my HS friends have connected after years of no contact whatsoever, and we are having a sort of sudden and spontaneous "mini-reunion" lunch tomorrow. I think they originally anticipated maybe 20 would show up, but it looks like there will be closer to 40 (or maybe a few more). I am so looking forward to it - so many of us ended up having happy and productive and successful lives (success being measured not in terms of money, but in terms of having family and/or making a good life).
See y'all tomorrow evening!
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The Shadow Do Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:43:10pm |
The use of the word 'retard' is offensive. Why would someone, anyone, trot it out in conversation? Shame on Rahm, Rush and anyone else that thinks it is ok to make it a pejorative.
Sarah Palin is the mother of a retarded child. Why is she wearing the target and not the assholes running with the word?
"Disrespectful" is too decorous.
She cuts against my grain politically, but that is irrelevent. Ignorance abounds.
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webevintage Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:43:48pm |
re: #94 Spare O'Lake
Hypocrisy Alert:
Please forgive me, but I really must ask:
How many right here have called Sarah Palin an "effin' retard" when speaking privately to your buddies?
The words I have used for Palin are so much more offensive then retarded...
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jamesfirecat Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:43:48pm |
re: #143 BryanS
She fits the example--just agreeing that the important fact is the family relation, not the politics while pointing out Ron Reagan Jr isn't an example of "political hypocrisy".
I don't even consider it "political hypocrisy" personally, I consider them to be illinformed about how important stem cells are till they've had a friend/family member hit by something that stem cells could help cure.
I feel the same way about people who have strong opinions on gays/lesbians without having a gay /lesbian deep friend/family member.
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Irenicum Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:43:53pm |
Reminds me of when I was called queer in elementary school. The fellow student thought he had really zinged me and dealt a devastating blow to my self esteem. Till I responded of course, explaining to him that queer simply meant different, unique, and not at all like the environment around it. So I thanked him for the compliment, and of course he was speechless. It was a beautiful moment.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:43:58pm |
re: #133 marjoriemoon
I called her worse than idiot! But I never called her a retard.
Ok... so my hubby and I were having a terrible fight and he wanted to call me me a sack of shit. But he just said, "You're a sack..." and stopped himself. And then it was just quite funny. So now we call each other sacks.
We retold this to the s-i-l. One evening, we were a bit liquored up and she started yelling at her brother. She wanted to call him a Sack, but forgot the word and instead called him a Bag. We got a lot of mileage out of that too.
A radio show host I love would, as one of his turns of phrase, rhetorically tell people he really hated to 'eat a bag. Eat a FULL bag." Like in response to a news article about Jerry Falwell. "That guy can eat a full bag."
it always made me laugh, because nobody knew what was in the bag. He never said! But it probably wasn't good. :D
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:44:20pm |
re: #133 marjoriemoon
That is really hitting my funny bone, quite hard!
THANK YOU!
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keloyd Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:44:21pm |
I agree "retard" crosses a line, but "idiot" seems to get a pass. We are looking for excuses to be offended way too often, even though this time I think we collectively are calling it right.
For 6 months, I had trouble getting around after an injury, and my car got what I called my "cripple tag." Our language has gone from cripple, to handicapped, to disabled, to differently abled, then back to disabled. Every time, the chattering classes who were neurotically concerned about being offensive forced the change, up until "differently abled" seemed just too cutesy.
I am double plus uneasy being on the same side as the language police.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:45:06pm |
re: #136 Stanley Sea
I missed the original thread about Palin and the R-word, so my comment is a little behind. I'm just wondering why she goes after Rahm with such bluster (fire him!) and now to Rush..."Palin officials say that is the same comment they have given reporters for a host of other instances where someone had used the "r" word and they are not singling out Limbaugh"
I also wonder about how she singled out Rahm's brother with the Death Panel rant.
Oh yeah, why am I even wondering about Palin's thought processes.
Rahm Emanuel is not a threat to Sarah Palin. They are already identified as political enemies, and she does not need his goodwill.
Rush is a powerful man in her world. Look at what happened when Steele opened up on him.
That's my speculation.
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windsagio Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:45:14pm |
re: #148 The Shadow Do
I hope theres a sarc tag missing there, because in one para you say the word 'retard' is discraceful, and in the next you use the term 'retarded' as an acceptable descriptive.
She doesn't have a retarded child, she has a DD child, specifically with Down Syndrome.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:45:52pm |
re: #147 reine.de.tout
I think that sounds like you're going to have a TON of fun!
Enjoy!
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windsagio Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:47:02pm |
re: #155 SanFranciscoZionist
more than that, she gets automatic praise for dissing Rahm. Rush is, as you say, a different beast.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:47:11pm |
Signing out. Talk to you (hopefully) bright and early tomorrow.
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The Shadow Do Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:47:19pm |
re: #156 windsagio
I hope theres a sarc tag missing there, because in one para you say the word 'retard' is discraceful, and in the next you use the term 'retarded' as an acceptable descriptive.
She doesn't have a retarded child, she has a DD child, specifically with Down Syndrome.
Excuse my clumsiness. You know what I mean though
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:47:27pm |
re: #154 keloyd
I agree "retard" crosses a line, but "idiot" seems to get a pass. We are looking for excuses to be offended way too often, even though this time I think we collectively are calling it right.
For 6 months, I had trouble getting around after an injury, and my car got what I called my "cripple tag." Our language has gone from cripple, to handicapped, to disabled, to differently abled, then back to disabled. Every time, the chattering classes who were neurotically concerned about being offensive forced the change, up until "differently abled" seemed just too cutesy.
I am double plus uneasy being on the same side as the language police.
Now I want to come up with new ones:
Differently Altered
Uprightly Hampered
Impeded of Gait
Locomotion-Obstructed
Motor Function Filtered
Skeletonwounded
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BryanS Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:47:43pm |
re: #150 jamesfirecat
I don't even consider it "political hypocrisy" personally, I consider them to be illinformed about how important stem cells are till they've had a friend/family member hit by something that stem cells could help cure.
I feel the same way about people who have strong opinions on gays/lesbians without having a gay /lesbian deep friend/family member.
I think the "illinformed" goes both directions on the stem cell debate. I don't have a problem with the research, an in general am in favor of it. However touting it as a panacea of cures for disease is grossly dishonest. It is very important--even if no cure is ever found to be applicable directly with fetal stem cells, what we learn about the body and disease will, I'm convinced, prove invaluable. There's a lot of ignorance about most political issues.
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arethusa Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:48:13pm |
re: #154 keloyd
Our language has gone from cripple, to handicapped, to disabled, to differently abled, then back to disabled. Every time, the chattering classes who were neurotically concerned about being offensive forced the change, up until "differently abled" seemed just too cutesy.
"Differently abled" was coined by the DNC back in the 1980's. Not only was it cutesy, but the first time I ever saw it, I thought it referred to Superman or something.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:48:14pm |
re: #154 keloyd
I agree "retard" crosses a line, but "idiot" seems to get a pass. We are looking for excuses to be offended way too often, even though this time I think we collectively are calling it right.
For 6 months, I had trouble getting around after an injury, and my car got what I called my "cripple tag." Our language has gone from cripple, to handicapped, to disabled, to differently abled, then back to disabled. Every time, the chattering classes who were neurotically concerned about being offensive forced the change, up until "differently abled" seemed just too cutesy.
I am double plus uneasy being on the same side as the language police.
I, of course, hang out in the reclaiming capital of the universe, so you show you're cooler than the stupid people who use the PC terms by 'reclaiming' the non-PC terms. It is a fine art. Also an annoying one.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:48:47pm |
re: #155 SanFranciscoZionist
Rahm Emanuel is not a threat to Sarah Palin. They are already identified as political enemies, and she does not need his goodwill.
Rush is a powerful man in her world. Look at what happened when Steele opened up on him.
That's my speculation.
It will be VERY interesting if Rush backs down.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:49:22pm |
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windsagio Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:49:26pm |
re: #161 The Shadow Do
I totally do. I'm picking on you because it shows the problem.
Many people think the word has meaning and context that it doesn't.
Until Palin and the SO started making noise, the word was essentially like 'dumb' to alot of people, and had very little to do with the DD community at all.
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webevintage Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:49:53pm |
Why do I hate Congress?
[Link: blog.al.com...]
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:50:06pm |
re: #166 WindUpBird
It will be VERY interesting if Rush backs down.
Rush and Sarah are a tag team, there is nothing to back down from.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:50:41pm |
re: #165 SanFranciscoZionist
I, of course, hang out in the reclaiming capital of the universe, so you show you're cooler than the stupid people who use the PC terms by 'reclaiming' the non-PC terms. It is a fine art. Also an annoying one.
I'm reclaiming the term "butthole". It's mine now. It now officially means "totally awesome sweet dude with a mustache and a medallion who drives a Trans Am and knows karate."
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Boondock St. Bender Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:51:25pm |
re: #166 WindUpBird
i don't think the smart money is betting that way.rushs' ego may not allow him to apologize.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:51:57pm |
re: #171 brookly red
Rush and Sarah are a tag team, there is nothing to back down from.
So you're saying you believe, to put it in pro-wrestling kayfabe terms, that it's not a shoot (a real rivaly, the wrestlers hate each other) it's a work (it's a fake conflict played for the audiences, the wrestlers are friends) ?
Interesting as well!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:51:59pm |
re: #131 webevintage
If Palin was really upset at Rush she would be frothing all over facebook and demanding he be fired instead of having Maureen make a statement for her.
Retard is an annoying word but so is Palin.
There we go. We can retire the word "retarded", and replace it with "Palined".
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windsagio Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:52:07pm |
re: #173 Boondock St. Bender
he has more to gain by holding out.
Look at his market, most of them are all ready to be outraged over "the PC".
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BryanS Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:52:17pm |
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:53:20pm |
re: #174 WindUpBird
So you're saying you believe, to put it in pro-wrestling kayfabe terms, that it's not a shoot (a real rivaly, the wrestlers hate each other) it's a work (it's a fake conflict played for the audiences, the wrestlers are friends) ?
Interesting as well!
and it's working...
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:54:03pm |
re: #173 Boondock St. Bender
i don't think the smart money is betting that way.rushs' ego may not allow him to apologize.
What the hell? Why would he apologize for a line that's been getting applause for 15+ years?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:54:34pm |
re: #178 brookly red
and it's working...
and then Michael Savage runs out from the dressing room wielding a folding metal chair...
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wee fury Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:55:52pm |
I use the word asinine to describe people's behavior because:
1. Some people think it is a compliment.
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Racer X Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:55:54pm |
re: #175 Slumbering Behemoth
There we go. We can retire the word "retarded", and replace it with "Palined".
I prefer "Biden".
as in
What a Biden.
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keloyd Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:56:19pm |
re: #162 WindUpBird
If you told me that when I was those things, I woudln't have shared any of my really strong pain pills. Actually, I still have kind of a John Wayne gait compared to before busting up every moving part or slippery part in my knee.
/don't combine with alcohol my arse!
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Silvergirl Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:56:24pm |
re: #172 WindUpBird
I'm reclaiming the term "butthole". It's mine now. It now officially means "totally awesome sweet dude with a mustache and a medallion who drives a Trans Am and knows karate."
How will I ever aspire to earn the title since I'm not a dude with a mustache, but differently abled?
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:56:58pm |
re: #180 WindUpBird
and then Michael Savage runs out from the dressing room wielding a folding metal chair...
who?
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:58:13pm |
re: #179 Cato the Elder
We need a new word to use, instead of "retarded". Dear Cato the Elder, lend us your wisdom? Please?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:58:58pm |
re: #174 WindUpBird
So you're saying you believe, to put it in pro-wrestling kayfabe terms, that it's not a shoot (a real rivaly, the wrestlers hate each other) it's a work (it's a fake conflict played for the audiences, the wrestlers are friends) ?
Interesting as well!
Whatever else is true, Rush is a heel (wrestler playing the villain) both in front of the cameras and in real life.
Unrelated: The most memorable shoot I saw was Brett Hart vs. Jerry Lawler. After Lawler made a group of nasty cracks about Toronto's Hospital for Sick Children, Hatt stormed out to the announcer's box and publicly called Lawler "lower than shit!". The resulting match was choreographed, but Hart's anger was real.
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arethusa Thu, Feb 4, 2010 8:59:16pm |
Huh, sorry if this has already been posted, but I was reading through some news before bed and Palin's also taken a Rick Perry aide to task for using the same word. He used it more Emmanuel-style than Limbaugh-style.
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:00:05pm |
For me it was right here on LGF that I first witnessed firsthand the extreme hurtfulness of the use of the word "retard" to someone with a retarded child. It was a real eye-opener, and the use of the term has since been pretty much taboo around here.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:00:40pm |
re: #187 Dark_Falcon
Whatever else is true, Rush is a heel (wrestler playing the villain) both in front of the cameras and in real life.
Unrelated: The most memorable shoot I saw was Brett Hart vs. Jerry Lawler. After Lawler made a group of nasty cracks about Toronto's Hospital for Sick Children, Hatt stormed out to the announcer's box and publicly called Lawler "lower than shit!". The resulting match was choreographed, but Hart's anger was real.
Are you sure he's one in real life?
I hear that he tips well....
Though of course there are plenty of jokes I could make about that.....
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windsagio Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:00:59pm |
re: #189 Spare O'Lake
Ultimately tho', its up to the moderator >>
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:01:17pm |
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Boondock St. Bender Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:02:47pm |
re: #187 Dark_Falcon
I will say ,i hear he is very nice to those he works with.(this info could be out of date though)
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:03:56pm |
re: #193 Boondock St. Bender
I will say ,i hear he is very nice to those he works with.(this info could be out of date though)
You mean Rush, right?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:08:10pm |
re: #195 Spare O'Lake
I buy new, never retreads.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:08:49pm |
re: #186 Floral Giraffe
We need a new word to use, instead of "retarded". Dear Cato the Elder, lend us your wisdom? Please?
"Retarded" is indeed a slur, because it refers to a condition over which the person in question has no control. Applying it to a run-of-the-mill stupid person is...retarded.
How about the good old Catholic category of "ignorantia invincibilis" = invincible ignorant?
It's not catchy, I know.
Let me work on it a bit.
Something along the lines of "bulletproof stupid"?
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:10:06pm |
re: #197 Cato the Elder
"Retarded" is indeed a slur, because it refers to a condition over which the person in question has no control. Applying it to a run-of-the-mill stupid person is...retarded.
How about the good old Catholic category of "ignorantia invincibilis" = invincible ignorant?
It's not catchy, I know.
Let me work on it a bit.
Something along the lines of "bulletproof stupid"?
That's fucking retarded.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:10:29pm |
re: #197 Cato the Elder
"Retarded" is indeed a slur, because it refers to a condition over which the person in question has no control. Applying it to a run-of-the-mill stupid person is...retarded.
How about the good old Catholic category of "ignorantia invincibilis" = invincible ignorant?
It's not catchy, I know.
Let me work on it a bit.
Something along the lines of "bulletproof stupid"?
We can't use "bullet firing stupid" because that's just another Sarah Palin synonym.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:11:22pm |
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windsagio Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:11:36pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:13:06pm |
re: #197 Cato the Elder
And, "dipshit" just doesn't have the resonance.
It's the best I can do, so far....
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:13:10pm |
re: #201 windsagio
could go with SB's idea and go with 'Palin',
You're such a Palin.
And anyone who adheres to Palin's brand of stupid would then be a Palin drone.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:13:43pm |
re: #203 Cato the Elder
And anyone who adheres to Palin's brand of stupid would then be a Palin drone.
Loves it!!
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windsagio Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:14:38pm |
How 'bout foreign languages?
verzögert, terkebelakang, 知的障害, etc.
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windsagio Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:16:20pm |
OT: I still don't understand people that go through every single dead thread they've missed doing partisan up/down dings on the entire threads.
Such strange behavior
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:16:55pm |
re: #203 Cato the Elder
Palin is a retarbie!
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windsagio Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:17:35pm |
re: #208 Floral Giraffe
took me a minute to get that one, Kudos!
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:17:45pm |
re: #198 Walter L. Newton
That's fucking retarded.
I like using that term. I am really glad I finally found a place where I can say that all I want and everyone enjoys hearing it... retard, retarded... Whee... maybe next week we can work up to other words.
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keloyd Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:18:51pm |
re: #165 SanFranciscoZionist
We live in sufficiently different worlds that I have never seen that specific use of the term "reclaiming". I just figured it out from all the words around it.
OTOH, my grandmother retired from teaching to a busy schedule of volunteer teaching with kids in a variety of tight spots - Head Start, 2nd grade kids staying after school for remedial reading, and Mennonites (for whom English was a 2nd language). She used the terms mongoloid, retarded, and sit like an Indian (cross legged) with no sense of irony at all and only occasionally was called out on it. If you're a civil person with a respectful tone,you can say just about anything. If you're nasty, any word can become vulger.
It was almost spooky how she could bend the minds of dozens of 4-8 year old kids to her will, just with a look, like Svengali with a beehive haircut and Peggy Hill glasses - which looked better on her than on Peggy Hill.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:20:37pm |
re: #211 keloyd
You have a cool Grandma.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:20:55pm |
It is kinda baffling that some people are selectively anti PC.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:21:52pm |
re: #210 Walter L. Newton
And what words would you like to cover, next week?
If given a choice?
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Altermite Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:23:02pm |
I posted a newly minted slang term I came across on a boxing blog recently:
That's Palin dumb.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:23:11pm |
Any good store stories Walter?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:23:20pm |
re: #216 Floral Giraffe
And what words would you like to cover, next week?
If given a choice?
Meecrob.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:24:11pm |
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:25:17pm |
Has anyone else tried anything from the Dogfish dead brewery? Amazing IPA beer.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:26:20pm |
re: #221 Stanley Sea
OK, I urban dic'd it.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:26:29pm |
re: #213 Stanley Sea
It is kinda baffling that some people are selectively anti PC.
I'm not selectively PC. I'm anti-PC whether it's the left or right variety.
PC is mind and speech control. The only thing that could make me submit would be Thorazine and a muzzle.
Or, as a very liberal Brit friend of mine once put it, "sod PC".
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:27:09pm |
re: #218 Stanley Sea
Any good store stories Walter?
Not really... I did purchase two different unopened LOST jigsaw puzzles. The two women who sort and price Brick-Brack keep an eye out for certain items I'm interested in, like LOST, harmonica, rocks and minerals, hand puppets and they put them aside and let me look at them. If I am interested, they will price the items for me and I purchase them at an employees discount of 30 percent off.
Well, one of the women came across these two LOST puzzles and of course at 299 minus my 30 percent, it was too good of a deal to pass up. I'll just put them on a shelf and hold on to them for the collectors value, won't open them.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:27:39pm |
re: #221 Stanley Sea
In the South Park fifth season episode "It Hits the Fan", Mee krob (spelled "meecrob") is given as one of the eight "Words of Curse" whose overuse brings plagues upon humankind.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:27:58pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:29:39pm |
re: #227 Walter L. Newton
Not really... I did purchase two different unopened LOST jigsaw puzzles. The two women who sort and price Brick-Brack keep an eye out for certain items I'm interested in, like LOST, harmonica, rocks and minerals, hand puppets and they put them aside and let me look at them. If I am interested, they will price the items for me and I purchase them at an employees discount of 30 percent off.
Well, one of the women came across these two LOST puzzles and of course at 299 minus my 30 percent, it was too good of a deal to pass up. I'll just put them on a shelf and hold on to them for the collectors value, won't open them.
I predict some Ebaying in your future!
That, or a cold stormy weekend off, and some awesome jigsaw solving!
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:31:02pm |
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keloyd Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:31:19pm |
re: #212 Floral Giraffe
You have a cool Grandma.
She cast a long shadow. The grandkids of her grandkids will get an earful about the example she set. She and Granddad are back together in the Hereafter now, probably a little bemused at all the Catholics and minorities in Heaven.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:32:15pm |
re: #213 Stanley Sea
It is kinda baffling that some people are selectively anti PC.
Oh I know! Some of these nuts have Apple Macintoshes at home as well!
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:32:24pm |
re: #227 Walter L. Newton
Not really... I did purchase two different unopened LOST jigsaw puzzles. The two women who sort and price Brick-Brack keep an eye out for certain items I'm interested in, like LOST, harmonica, rocks and minerals, hand puppets and they put them aside and let me look at them. If I am interested, they will price the items for me and I purchase them at an employees discount of 30 percent off.
Well, one of the women came across these two LOST puzzles and of course at 299 minus my 30 percent, it was too good of a deal to pass up. I'll just put them on a shelf and hold on to them for the collectors value, won't open them.
I collect lazy susans!!! Kidding, kind of.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:32:35pm |
The most self-defeating PC sign I ever saw was back in my motorcycling days, when I used to zoom around the backcountry roads of New England at speeds that would have earned me 30 days in County.
So, I come around a curve and there's a yellow sign that reads "Warning: Hearing-Impaired Child Living and Playing Ahead".
My mental comment was, "Two words - Deaf Child - would accomplish the goal far better. By the time you've read and digested that bloated message, you've already run over the little tard."
Sod PC.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:33:14pm |
re: #233 keloyd
She cast a long shadow. The grandkids of her grandkids will get an earful about the example she set. She and Granddad are back together in the Hereafter now, probably a little bemused at all the Catholics and minorities in Heaven.
Treasure and share your memories.
Be glad here blood flows in your veins.
She sounds like a person who enjoyed her life.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:34:07pm |
re: #216 Floral Giraffe
And what words would you like to cover, next week?
If given a choice?
Manfriday.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:34:24pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:36:07pm |
re: #224 Rightwingconspirator
PIMF Dogfish Head Brewery.
Those guys kick ass. 120 minute IPA = stunning achievement that adavances all of humanity :D
Portland's counterpart to Dogfish Head is a small brewery called Hair of the Dog which specializes in complex, ultra-high ABV heavy ales and barley wines.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:37:50pm |
re: #241 WindUpBird
Lady we bet at a wine tasting last night talked me into buying some.
I just consumed a 90 minute. Really rich. Complex. More than one will make me simple.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:39:17pm |
On one of the dead threads, we have a Lizard who cropped up touting his website, which turns out to be a plea for support. He's running for Congress on the teabagger platform.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:40:51pm |
re: #243 Cato the Elder
His site is dead. Or something.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:40:55pm |
Just goes to show you that idiotarianism is not strictly an American concept.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:43:26pm |
re: #242 Rightwingconspirator
Lady we bet at a wine tasting last night talked me into buying some.
I just consumed a 90 minute. Really rich. Complex. More than one will make me simple.
the 90 is quite excellent. It's one of the all tike great American heavy.imperial IPAs. it's more of a BEER beer than the 120. The 120 is more like port. it's so thick and intense it honestly stretches the definition of beer. it is goddamn tasty though.
If you are ever in a bottle shop that stocks Portland stuff, my favorite Portland breweries are Rogue, Deschutes, Hair of the Dog, and Bridgeport. And my favorite Californian brewery by FAR is North Coast.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:43:40pm |
re: #241 WindUpBird
I'll have to try that. The high alcohol is amazingly well masked in IPA.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:44:39pm |
re: #246 WindUpBird
A place near me does beer tastings every Saturday. W00T!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:45:35pm |
re: #247 Rightwingconspirator
I'll have to try that. The high alcohol is amazingly well masked in IPA.
it SURE IS. Any imperial IPA that's balanced is daaaangerous to me. Also, any Belgian tripel style. Man, I have never been taken by surprise by the alcohol in a beer like a Belgian Tripel. It's all light and sweet and floral! And then the room beings to oscillate...
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:45:50pm |
re: #243 Cato the Elder
On one of the dead threads, we have a Lizard who cropped up touting his website, which turns out to be a plea for support. He's running for Congress on the teabagger platform.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Charles, does attract a lot of attention!
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Silvergirl Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:46:00pm |
re: #246 WindUpBird
the 90 is quite excellent. It's one of the all tike great American heavy.imperial IPAs. it's more of a BEER beer than the 120. The 120 is more like port. it's so thick and intense it honestly stretches the definition of beer. it is goddamn tasty though.
If you are ever in a bottle shop that stocks Portland stuff, my favorite Portland breweries are Rogue, Deschutes, Hair of the Dog, and Bridgeport. And my favorite Californian brewery by FAR is North Coast.
I like their menu. Have you ever been there?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:46:39pm |
re: #248 Rightwingconspirator
A place near me does beer tastings every Saturday. W00T!
If you go, come back with stories! I have a huge bottle shop 10 minutes away from me, I've only scratched the surface of all the offer, which is somehere around two thousand different beers.
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keloyd Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:46:53pm |
re: #236 Cato the Elder
Check this out - I just found out a few years ago "red Indian" is still current in India on the exceedingly rare occasion that natives of India, speaking educated, patrician British English, must refer to American Indians. When I was in Oklahoma (chock full of our Indians) I got to meet the retired parents of an Indian friend (from Goa, India). "Red Indian" was the mot juste.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:47:14pm |
re: #251 Silvergirl
I like their menu. Have you ever been there?
To the brewery? I haven't. :( I want to go, I'm just always in a rush whenever i drive to California. One of these days I need to take a road trip just to breweries.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:51:10pm |
re: #253 keloyd
Check this out - I just found out a few years ago "red Indian" is still current in India on the exceedingly rare occasion that natives of India, speaking educated, patrician British English, must refer to American Indians. When I was in Oklahoma (chock full of our Indians) I got to meet the retired parents of an Indian friend (from Goa, India). "Red Indian" was the mot juste.
Well, considering that our Native Americans went back to calling themselves Indians some years back, I think that's entirely appropriate.
"Native American" was always hinky anyway. The Indians did, after all, come from Asia, across the Bering Straits. And the notion that my family, whose last European forbears arrived six generations ago, are not natives, goes against the literal meaning of the word.
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Silvergirl Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:52:08pm |
re: #254 WindUpBird
To the brewery? I haven't. :( I want to go, I'm just always in a rush whenever i drive to California. One of these days I need to take a road trip just to breweries.
Yes, do. The whole area is worth a languorous but deliberate trip with plenty of stops.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:52:55pm |
re: #258 Cato the Elder
I always liked the Canadian solution - calling "Indians" the First Nations.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:57:42pm |
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Silvergirl Thu, Feb 4, 2010 9:58:45pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:01:08pm |
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:02:14pm |
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:03:07pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:03:15pm |
Wow! I put way too much of this stuff in my chili. Tomorrow morning is gonna be a bitch.
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:03:22pm |
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Silvergirl Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:04:10pm |
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:04:44pm |
re: #267 brookly red
pineapple, don't come round here no mo...
Pineapple can come round heah as much he want. Makes a good bong if you're handy with a knife.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:04:45pm |
re: #265 Cato the Elder
Don't eat it, it's got caterpillar hooka weed on it. And anchovies.
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windsagio Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:05:28pm |
speaking of munchies, of to dinner, tt y'all l
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:06:01pm |
re: #266 Slumbering Behemoth
LOL!
We went to an Indian restaurant, years ago. My BIL ordered the Vindaloo.
Hot, like an Indian would want it.
When the waiter brought it to the table, he solemnly said
" You will remember me tomorrow"!
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:06:57pm |
re: #269 Cato the Elder
Pineapple can come round heah as much he want. Makes a good bong if you're handy with a knife.
fine... you toucha my pizza you knife she no help you.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:07:04pm |
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:08:08pm |
re: #270 Slumbering Behemoth
Don't eat it, it's got caterpillar hooka weed on it. And anchovies.
real men don't fear anchovies...
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:11:05pm |
re: #243 Cato the Elder
On one of the dead threads, we have a Lizard who cropped up touting his website, which turns out to be a plea for support. He's running for Congress on the teabagger platform.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Perhaps we should each send him a tea bag, with "creative" instructions on what to do with it?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:11:16pm |
re: #276 Cato the Elder
I thought he was doing one of those quiz question thingies, like...
munchies:pot :: canards:reality
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:13:53pm |
re: #279 Slumbering Behemoth
I thought he was doing one of those quiz question thingies, like...
munchies:pot :: canards:reality
pot:beer :: LGF:Freeperville
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:13:56pm |
re: #277 brookly red
real men don't fear anchovies...
... they just speak privately about them, in hushed, conspiratorial tones.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:15:50pm |
re: #281 Slumbering Behemoth
... they just speak privately about them, in hushed, conspiratorial tones.
They're a good source of calcium, IIRC.
And, well, fish oils!
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:16:12pm |
re: #280 Cato the Elder
pot:beer :: LGF:Freeperville
first my pizza now my beer? is this how you want it to be?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:16:16pm |
re: #280 Cato the Elder
Now wait just one damn minute! I won't have you bad mouthing... uh, um... what exactly were you bad mouthing?
/
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:16:29pm |
re: #243 Cato the Elder
On one of the dead threads, we have a Lizard who cropped up touting his website, which turns out to be a plea for support. He's running for Congress on the teabagger platform.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Ugh, Another "Fair Tax" idiot. The stupidity continues.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:17:50pm |
re: #284 Slumbering Behemoth
Now wait just one damn minute! I won't have you bad mouthing... uh, um... what exactly were you bad mouthing?
/
I got my own beer. Fax me some pot, please.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:17:53pm |
re: #282 Floral Giraffe
They're a good source of calcium, IIRC.
And, well, fish oils!
Flavor wise, are they anything like canned sardines?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:18:21pm |
re: #268 Silvergirl
Somebody call a publisher!
And tell him this thread is following a white rabbit.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:19:13pm |
re: #287 Slumbering Behemoth
Flavor wise, are they anything like canned sardines?
Much saltier and fishier.
A good appetizer to choose when dating an Icelandic chick.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:19:57pm |
re: #288 Dark_Falcon
And tell him this thread is following a white rabbit.
Speaking of which, when does "Alice" hit the screens?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:20:10pm |
re: #286 Cato the Elder
If I had a fax machine that could do that, we'd both be in the Caribbean somewhere, drinking and smoking the finest available.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:20:46pm |
re: #287 Slumbering Behemoth
Flavor wise, are they anything like canned sardines?
Chewing tiny fishbones. Not a lot of flavor.
But, HEY! They're good for you!
/sorta
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:20:53pm |
re: #291 Slumbering Behemoth
If I had a fax machine that could do that, we'd both be in the Caribbean somewhere, drinking and smoking the finest available.
Well, dammitall, let's get to work!
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:20:58pm |
re: #288 Dark_Falcon
And tell him this thread is following a white rabbit.
When logic and proportion
Have fallen sloppy dead
And the White Knight is talking backwards
And the Red Queen's "off with her head!"
Remember what the dormouse said;
"Keep YOUR HEAD
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:22:10pm |
re: #289 Cato the Elder
Much saltier and fishier.
A good appetizer to choose when dating an Icelandic chick.
or Greek
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:22:15pm |
re: #294 brookly red
When logic and proportion
Have fallen sloppy dead
And the White Knight is talking backwards
And the Red Queen's "off with her head!"
Remember what the dormouse said;
"Keep YOUR HEAD
Upding because I love Jefferson Airplane and Alice in Wonderland
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:22:37pm |
re: #294 brookly red
When logic and proportion
Have fallen sloppy dead
And the White Knight is talking backwards
And the Red Queen's "off with her head!"
Remember what the dormouse said;
"Keep YOUR HEAD
I thought it was "feed your head"...and I was there when Grace Slick sang it in Columbia, MD.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:23:03pm |
re: #290 Cato the Elder
Speaking of which, when does "Alice" hit the screens?
I will be there, hopping up and down like a little kid. Tim Burton was made for this.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:23:15pm |
re: #297 Cato the Elder
I thought it was "feed your head"...and I was there when Grace Slick sang it in Columbia, MD.
SO
JEALOUS
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:23:50pm |
re: #290 Cato the Elder
3/5/2010
[Link: disney.go.com...]
Loads VERY slowly.
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Silvergirl Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:23:55pm |
re: #288 Dark_Falcon
And tell him this thread is following a white rabbit.
New poster of White Rabbit.
Plus a lot of others you can click through.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:24:24pm |
re: #298 WindUpBird
I will be there, hopping up and down like a little kid. Tim Burton was made for this.
One of my college friends wrote the screenplays for two of his flicks. I haven't checked yet to see if she's involved with "Alice".
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:25:03pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:25:27pm |
re: #302 Cato the Elder
One of my college friends wrote the screenplays for two of his flicks. I haven't checked yet to see if she's involved with "Alice".
Oh how awesome! I hope one of them was Big Fish! I loved Big Fish.
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:25:45pm |
re: #297 Cato the Elder
I thought it was "feed your head"...and I was there when Grace Slick sang it in Columbia, MD.
excellent. she did sing feed your head, but because of the times the published lyrics say keep your head... no satisfaction.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:25:59pm |
re: #297 Cato the Elder
All the lyric web sites say you are correct. Well, not all, just the three I checked.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:26:31pm |
re: #304 WindUpBird
Oh how awesome! I hope one of them was Big Fish! I loved Big Fish.
Nope. "Edward Scissorhands" and "Addams Family Values".
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:26:37pm |
re: #302 Cato the Elder
One of my college friends wrote the screenplays for two of his flicks. I haven't checked yet to see if she's involved with "Alice".
You made me look. Exboyfriend didn't work on the score.
Danny Elfman got it.
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Silvergirl Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:26:44pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:27:37pm |
re: #303 Cato the Elder
Yeah. But think how old that makes me.
We're all heading in that direction! I just got The Fear last week when I was at a convention and I realized none of my cultural references were making any sense to the people I was talking to. Because, as I later found out, they were HALF MY AGE. :( I can't tell the difference between a 16 year old and a 26 year old.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:27:57pm |
re: #305 brookly red
excellent. she did sing feed your head, but because of the times the published lyrics say keep your head... no satisfaction.
Interesting.
Imagine anyone watering down lyrics by Beyonce today. Unthinkable.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:28:04pm |
re: #294 brookly red
When logic and proportion
Have fallen sloppy dead
And the White Knight is talking backwards
And the Red Queen's "off with her head!"
Remember what the dormouse said;
"Keep YOUR HEAD
And on that note, here's the song:
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:28:19pm |
re: #308 Cato the Elder
Nope. "Edward Scissorhands" and "Addams Family Values".
Okay wow, even better. Edward Scissorhands is one of my favorite movies of all time.
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:28:51pm |
re: #312 Cato the Elder
Interesting.
Imagine anyone watering down lyrics by Beyonce today. Unthinkable.
read what DMX is saying some time...
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:29:28pm |
re: #312 Cato the Elder
Interesting.
Imagine anyone watering down lyrics by Beyonce today. Unthinkable.
Imagine Beyonce's lyrics needing watering down!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:30:23pm |
re: #313 Dark_Falcon
And here's the sweet Mephisto Walz cover, if you like layered, Cure-like goth renditions, oozing with reverb and digital delay:
The original is still best, but I listened to this album a lot in college :D
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:31:57pm |
re: #311 WindUpBird
We're all heading in that direction! I just got The Fear last week when I was at a convention and I realized none of my cultural references were making any sense to the people I was talking to. Because, as I later found out, they were HALF MY AGE. :( I can't tell the difference between a 16 year old and a 26 year old.
When it comes to women, I can't tell the difference between a college freshgirl and an "age-appropriate" divorcee with five kids. Of course, this is merely a case of convenient selective blindness.
Hey, if she's legal and wants to flirt, who am I to object?
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:33:20pm |
re: #315 brookly red
read what DMX is saying some time...
cause you know you wouldn't...
"Bring Your Whole Crew"
Uhh!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
Come on, uhh, uhhh huhhh
But they don't hear me though
Uhh, but they don't hear me though,
uhh, but they don't but they don't...
I got blood on my hands and there's no remorse
I got blood on my dick cuz I fucked a corpse
I'm a nasty nigga when u pass me nigga look me in my eyes
Tell me to my fuckin face that u ready to die
U be a dead mutha fucka red mutha fucka
Don't be stupid you heard what I said mutha fucka
Who shot u ohhh nigga like u don't know
Stickin you for your doe while I'm fuckin your broke ho
Yo don't u get the picture niggaz can't touch me
Cuz I don't give a fuck G I'll get u touched B
I got choice ripple my slug'll take apart a door
And enuf crazy niggaz behind me to start a war
So what u want nigga help me is about your best
When I'm finished Red Cross couldn't clean up the mess
And a vest will do nothin but make u look a little thicker
Cuz in the dark u ain't nothin but a lil nigga
But if you've been thinkin about that shit u did
You wouldn't have brought the joint wit u kid
Now I might have to get u kid and split your wig wit a machedi
I bring beef to niggaz and string them out like spaghetti
U ain't ready lord can u stand how I'm bringin it
I'm givin it is how I'm livin it so I'm swingin it
Red dot on your head cuz you's in mid range
Red dot on your chest opens up your rib cage
[Chorus]
I just love when a nigga bring his whole crew
It's just a bigger piece of cake for me to chew a hole thru [x 4]
Now if your heart wuz as big as your mouth you'd be real
But it's not so I know if u get knocked you'll squeal
Like a bitch cuz u iz a bitch and always been a bitch
And u know how niggaz do a bitch we run up in a bitch
For somethin in a bitch nigga do u know nigga do u owe me
Figure you could blow me well i'ma let this trigga feel u homey
That niggaz got to be smokin somethin thinkin u chokin somethin
Fuckin around wit me you'll be a broken somethin
I'm out for blood wit the crypts at war
How much shit could u talk wit your lips on the floor
Pussy niggaz make me itch so I scratch you's a bitch
So I snatch up your face fake ass bitch so I scratch u
Yeah.. There was a time when I would have jumped up and choked this nigga
But now I'm on some shit like.. Yo.. smoke this nigga
I'm bout to find out how much guts u got before I spill em
Somebody come and get this mutha fucka before I kill em
Ahhh!.. fresh out the asylum I'm wylin
Yall niggaz know the phone number for help u best ta dial them
9-1-1 emergency the urgency
We'll have witnesses seein what the surgeon see
How far u gonna get wit your dome split fool
Or catch your man strippin cuz he think his shape cool
But it ain't so I paint the walls wit his blood
Another dick in the mud
nigga what!
[Chorus]
Ahh you u know who this is for, they let the doggs in the door [x 2]
[Chorus]
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:33:27pm |
re: #318 Cato the Elder
When it comes to women, I can't tell the difference between a college freshgirl and an "age-appropriate" divorcee with five kids. Of course, this is merely a case of convenient selective blindness.
Hey, if she's legal and wants to flirt, who am I to object?
They decided their own level of involvement! It's game on.
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Silvergirl Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:33:28pm |
re: #318 Cato the Elder
When it comes to women, I can't tell the difference between a college freshgirl and an "age-appropriate" divorcee with five kids. Of course, this is merely a case of convenient selective blindness.
Hey, if she's legal and wants to flirt, who am I to object?
Legal, legal . . . what can you mean? You ask to see her green card?
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:33:38pm |
A different youtube, of the White Rabbits...
Grace is awesome!
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windsagio Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:35:18pm |
re: #321 Silvergirl
Its weird to watch movies from the 70s and early 80s that made a big pratfall out of sleeping with underaged girls (ie animal house). Times have changed some >>
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:36:02pm |
re: #319 brookly red
okay, I was not expecting you to post DMX lyrics, well done :D
I will respond with some Clutch:
So tell me, when you took a practice scholastic aptitude test,
Did you know the answers or did you guess?
You rely on gimmicks to amuse your fans,
And act all over bad to jack up your sound scan.
What's the matter with you?
How come you rhyme monosyllabically?
Has atrophy stricken your entire vocabulary?
Your style's like a garbage can,
It's meant to be taken out on a weekly basis.
Ever since you first record you been in a state of suspended animation.
You look like snuffaluffagus and australopiphecus,
Me cray, you abacus.
But enough about you lets talk about me,
And how single-handedly I redefined the entire science of radiostronomy,
Making nobel prize winners question my notions of reality.
Oh, but I digress,
You play sorry, I play chess.
King's pawn to B3, checkmate,
Go get some percosets!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:37:41pm |
re: #324 windsagio
Go even further back in time, and you have underage girls (actresses) playing the leading ladies and romantic interests of the leading men twice their age.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:38:02pm |
re: #322 Floral Giraffe
A different youtube, of the White Rabbits...
Grace is awesome!
True. She could sing paint off a battleship.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:38:22pm |
re: #324 windsagio
Its weird to watch movies from the 70s and early 80s that made a big pratfall out of sleeping with underaged girls (ie animal house). Times have changed some >>
The Child Abuse Panics of the 80's killed such jokes stone dead. They won't be back, either.
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windsagio Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:39:24pm |
re: #328 Dark_Falcon
The 24 hour news cycle didn't help with that, either.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:40:19pm |
re: #328 Dark_Falcon
All those Satanic Cult panics as well.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:41:33pm |
re: #326 Slumbering Behemoth
Go even further back in time, and you have underage girls (actresses) playing the leading ladies and romantic interests of the leading men twice their age.
And if today's "morals" had obtained then, Bogart and Bacall would never have married, and most of Grace Kelly's and Ingrid Bergman's early work would be illegal to view.
Go figure.
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windsagio Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:41:35pm |
re: #331 Slumbering Behemoth
bringing it together, The Wenatchee sex ring. Grew up with those stories right across the mountains >>
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:45:56pm |
re: #330 windsagio
The 24 hour news cycle didn't help with that, either.
No, it didn't. But panics can be countered in time and actions taken to prevent their recurrence. The 24-hour news cycle is here to stay. We can bemoan its existence, but it will survive dislike because it bring in more viewers and that what really counts for news organizations. A flash back quote Bernie Goldberg used in Bias illustrates the point:
The TV Business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, while decent men die like dogs.
-Hunter Thompson
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:48:39pm |
re: #327 Cato the Elder
True. She could sing paint off a battleship.
What a great phrase! And sort of a compliment!
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:49:17pm |
re: #334 windsagio
bringing it together, The Wenatchee sex ring. Grew up with those stories right across the mountains >>
And the result? Every unhappy underage child in America now knows that all he/she has to do is drop the abuse dime on mommy or daddy and bingo! all the attention they could ever crave, plus a paid staff of people whose only job is to ruin folks.
Happened to a friend of mine. His fucked-up, too-pretty-for-her-own-good daughter apologized to him on his deathbed.
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windsagio Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:49:40pm |
re: #335 Dark_Falcon
beyond that, I'm not sure what the point is. Not decrying anything, just saying that the need to fill content fueled some of the hysteria.
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:50:35pm |
re: #339 Cato the Elder
And the result? Every unhappy underage child in America now knows that all he/she has to do is drop the abuse dime on mommy or daddy and bingo! all the attention they could ever crave, plus a paid staff of people whose only job is to ruin folks.
Happened to a friend of mine. His fucked-up, too-pretty-for-her-own-good daughter apologized to him on his deathbed.
did he accept it?
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windsagio Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:50:44pm |
re: #339 Cato the Elder
That. is. utterly. brutal.
Especially since you're rolling the dice with case workers.
You might get a good one that wants to really figure things out, but you sure as hell might not.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:53:04pm |
re: #338 Floral Giraffe
What a great phrase! And sort of a compliment!
A big one! I once worked in a boatyard chipping paint off small vessels. A good set of Bose concert speakers and Grace would have saved us a lot of work.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:54:15pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:55:20pm |
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:55:51pm |
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Varek Raith Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:58:03pm |
re: #345 Slumbering Behemoth
PFFTTT, BWAHAHAHAHA!...Haha..
*Wipes tear away* That's some funny shit.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 4, 2010 10:59:08pm |
re: #339 Cato the Elder
The McMartins, in California.
LOL!
Wikipedia title Daycare sex abuse hysteria!
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:02:30pm |
Good night, all.
Be kind to the ones that you love.
Life is short, enjoy it to the fullest!
Typos & bad words & all!
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:04:18pm |
re: #349 Floral Giraffe
Good night, all.
Be kind to the ones that you love.
Life is short, enjoy it to the fullest!Typos & bad words & all!
Me for bed, too. Another busy day of futile unemployment beckons.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:04:32pm |
re: #347 Varek Raith
PFFTTT, BWAHAHAHAHA!...Haha..
*Wipes tear away* That's some funny shit.
Yes, those loons are a font of unintentional hilarity. Their response to any contradiction is "You'll burn in Hell!". Fundies that hostile and predictable are always good comic fodder.
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brookly red Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:04:58pm |
re: #350 Cato the Elder
Me for bed, too. Another busy day of futile unemployment beckons.
hope & change!!!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:06:14pm |
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:08:21pm |
re: #352 brookly red
hope & change!!!
Sorry, wrong president. My personal economy tanked in April 2008, long before the man you scorn took office.
Unlike some, though, I don't blame my personal problems on whoever currently occupies the Oval Office.
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Varek Raith Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:10:34pm |
re: #353 Slumbering Behemoth
From the link....
Just because the people playing D&D think they are playing a game doesn't mean that the evil spirits (who ARE very real) will regard it as a game. If you are doing rituals or saying spells that invite them into your life, then they will come-believe me! We have prayed with enough people our age and younger who were former D&D fans, and they were totally in bondage to it.
...I..uh...uhhh...don't know what to...uhh...say....
:/
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Cato the Elder Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:16:16pm |
re: #355 Varek Raith
I..uh...uhhh...don't know what to...uhh...say...
:/
We didn't have D&D when I was a kid. Instead, I was in total bondage to "The Lord of the Rings". By that evil Catholic, J.R.R. Tolkien.
And look how I ended up! A Catholic!
See?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:17:36pm |
re: #355 Varek Raith
You can tell as early as the second paragraph that the writer of the article is a bare-faced liar.
On top of that, the second issue is that the materials themselves, in many cases, contain authentic magical rituals. I can tell you this from my own experience. I was a witch high priest (Alexandrian tradition) during the period 1973-84. During some of that period (1976-80) I was also involved in hardcore Satanism. We studied and practiced and trained more than 175 people in the Craft. Our "covendom" was in Milwaukee, Wisconsin; just a short drive away from the world headquarters of TSR, the company which makes Dungeons and Dragons in Lake Geneva, WI. In the late 1970's, a couple of the game writers actually came to my wife and I as prominent "sorcerers" in the community. They wanted to make certain the rituals were authentic. For the most part, they are.
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Silvergirl Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:18:37pm |
re: #354 Cato the Elder
Sorry, wrong president. My personal economy tanked in April 2008, long before the man you scorn took office.
Unlike some, though, I don't blame my personal problems on whoever currently occupies the Oval Office.
You could try blaming it on the Year of the Rat. (08) It is better than blaming the White House.
Maybe you'll be swimming in cash when the Year of the Tiger starts.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:25:41pm |
re: #356 Cato the Elder
We didn't have D&D when I was a kid. Instead, I was in total bondage to "The Lord of the Rings". By that evil Catholic, J.R.R. Tolkien.
And look how I ended up! A Catholic!
See?
And the assholes at Chick would call him "non-Christian" too, since that's how they view Catholics.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Feb 4, 2010 11:39:57pm |
re: #360 Dark_Falcon
There were some few fools here that would favorably reference the propaganda of that antisemitic, religious bigot. Fortunately, when the topic of intelligent design/evolution started getting discussed here, they lost their shit and their accounts.
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RadicalModerate Fri, Feb 5, 2010 12:32:16am |
re: #353 Slumbering Behemoth
If you want a real laugh, read this.
Anyone even remotely familiar with D&D can see the article is not just baloney, but full of blatant lies and scare mongering.
What the hell is it about fundamentalist Christians who have absolutely no problem with breaking the commandment telling people not to lie when it comes to making personal morality and political judgements?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Feb 5, 2010 12:41:48am |
re: #362 RadicalModerate
Twisted moral equivalence. Lying your ass off is okay if you're doing it for Jesus. Although in this case, as it is with many others, I think they are lying for money.
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AK-47% Fri, Feb 5, 2010 1:41:50am |
re: #362 RadicalModerate
What the hell is it about fundamentalist Christians who have absolutely no problem with breaking the commandment telling people not to lie when it comes to making personal morality and political judgements?
If you are a Biblical literalist and truly believe in demons and dark spirits, then D&D is truly a threatening thing.
I got heavily into all that Alisdair Crowley crap as a teenager, but never took it seriously, I just saw it as a means of finding more ways of creative expression.
And after a few ritual slayings, it all got boring and I took up snowboarding...
/
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Eclectic Infidel Fri, Feb 5, 2010 1:58:24am |
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
And now for something completely different, an adorable Scottish Fold kitty named Katamari.
Let the cuteness begin.
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Steve Fri, Feb 5, 2010 2:48:27am |
One of my girlfirends (many years ago) had a cat that attacked us while we were ........ under the covers;-)re: #365 eclectic infidel
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
And now for something completely different, an adorable Scottish Fold kitty named Katamari.
Let the cuteness begin.
One of my girlfirends (many years ago) had a cat that attacked us while we were ........ under the covers;-)
| 367 |
RogueOne Fri, Feb 5, 2010 3:58:09am |
re: #172 WindUpBird
I'm reclaiming the term "butthole". It's mine now. It now officially means "totally awesome sweet dude with a mustache and a medallion who drives a Trans Am and knows karate."
That's a good idea, butthole.
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JRCMYP Fri, Feb 5, 2010 5:27:30am |
Has anyone else read the latest news about Palin being a tax cheat?
Sarah Palin--Tax Cheat?
This same blogger discussed the same question about Limbaugh using the "r" word a few days ago.
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lawhawk Fri, Feb 5, 2010 6:08:42am |
Those responsible have been sacked.
Those responsible for the sacking have themselves been sacked.
We apologize for the sacking of those who have been sacked. They too have been sacked.
On second thought, let's not go to GOPland. It is a strange place.
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Decider Fri, Feb 5, 2010 6:15:20am |
I am sure an apology from Palin will be coming soon to Rush. Nobody talks to the GOP Messiah and gets away with it. El Rushbo will eat Palin for lunch. Palin is an offspring of the great Rush talking points. She can not battle her master.
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Feb 5, 2010 6:34:36am |
the right wing is in the process of transitioning. Palin et al will NOT be the intellectual engine of the GOP. Rush is a permanent fixture in the media, and there SHOULD be a place for his good ideas. But he must also be spanked when he f's up. I swear, yesterday glenn beck even did a very strong segment on dinnerjackass. So the whole shootin' match is in play right now. But I'd bet on the Scott Browns of the world over the Sarah Palins. For one simple reason: the "Browns" can get elected in deep blue states. Sarah? Not so much.
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ShaunP Fri, Feb 5, 2010 6:36:45am |
As much as I hate Palin, I have to give her credit for this one. As a mother of a child with down syndrome, she should be offended when others throw that around. Bravo to her for taking a stand to defend her child; too bad she did it with kiddy gloves when it happened on her side, but whatever.
I need to go wash my mouth out now...
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Blueheron Fri, Feb 5, 2010 8:09:10am |
re: #12 BryanS
Interesting--in a train crash sort of way. Did Sarah really have any choice to slap down Rush after slamming a Dem for doing the same?
I think, considering her son, she has more important issues than Rush.
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Blueheron Fri, Feb 5, 2010 8:10:44am |
re: #13 Dark_Falcon
I'd say she's attacking offensive language as a cheap way to show she cares and to raise her political profile with a non-controversial issue.
Sorry Falcon I had to give you a down ding on this one. She does have a child that could be described with that word.
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Blueheron Fri, Feb 5, 2010 8:15:26am |
re: #17 reine.de.tout
I solve the problem by just not using name-calling in my verbal (or written) repertoire.
If someone has done something I consider wrong headed I say that was not a smart thing to do or say. I do not attack the person but rather the action itself.
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Blueheron Fri, Feb 5, 2010 8:26:54am |
re: #60 marjoriemoon
The thing is, if she had not had Trig, she probably wouldn't have said anything.
But it's still good that she said it.
Actually celebrity types speak about issues of the disabled or crime victims when someone in their family has been affected. Nothing new about that.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Feb 5, 2010 8:30:25am |
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Blueheron Fri, Feb 5, 2010 8:47:32am |
re: #371 _RememberTonyC
the right wing is in the process of transitioning. Palin et al will NOT be the intellectual engine of the GOP. Rush is a permanent fixture in the media, and there SHOULD be a place for his good ideas. But he must also be spanked when he f's up. I swear, yesterday glenn beck even did a very strong segment on dinnerjackass. So the whole shootin' match is in play right now. But I'd bet on the Scott Browns of the world over the Sarah Palins. For one simple reason: the "Browns" can get elected in deep blue states. Sarah? Not so much.
An outstanding one hour of Iranian and Islamic fundamentalism I agree.
Beck has off the wall crazy ideas but on that show he was dead on right.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Feb 5, 2010 9:15:41am |
re: #370 Decider
I am sure an apology from Palin will be coming soon to Rush. Nobody talks to the GOP Messiah and gets away with it. El Rushbo will eat Palin for lunch. Palin is an offspring of the great Rush talking points. She can not battle her master.
I don't know...perhaps the great mockers of PC are about to be taken down by the hordes of Concerned Conservative Mommies.
I'll make kettle corn.
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zeir Fri, Feb 5, 2010 10:33:04am |
re: #371 _RememberTonyC
Agreed, Scott Brown is the real future of the GOP. He and his family are the people the Palin's wish they could be: honestly poised, well-spoken and attractive. A blue collar Bostonian is exactly the wedge figure that could drive into the blue states.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Feb 5, 2010 11:57:43am |
re: #381 zeir
Agreed, Scott Brown is the real future of the GOP. He and his family are the people the Palin's wish they could be: honestly poised, well-spoken and attractive. A blue collar Bostonian is exactly the wedge figure that could drive into the blue states.
If only he would stop trying to auction his daughters off in public.
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LotharBot Fri, Feb 5, 2010 12:59:57pm |
One of Sarah Palin's weaknesses is that she thinks so much like a mommy. During the campaign, she got really upset when people said mean things about her or her kids. It made her easy bait for trolls, and it made her look amateur and unable to handle the pressure of the vice presidency.
One of Sarah Palin's strengths is that she thinks so much like a mommy. She still doesn't like people saying demeaning things. It makes her look very mature in comparison to professional trolls like Rush Limbaugh.
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oldegeezr Fri, Feb 5, 2010 1:45:16pm |
Day late but still apropos…perhaps?
On his syndicated program today, 02.05.2010-1220-EDST, Rush purported to be stating his [very] last words on his earlier use of the word, “retarded”.
[Paraphrased] “…it was used as a blunt tool of satire to expose Emanuel and Reid.”
Is this kind of excuse typical, or should he stand in the corner or what..?
At approximately 1225-EDST, a lady named “Jo” from Boca Raton, drove Rush right over the top…! She referred to him as “Limb-bully” for his constant, negative, demeaning references to President Obama.
[Paraphrased] “… the national debt was 780 billion dollars under Bush. Now its 1.2 trillion dollars under Obama. No part of the present deficit is due to Bush, Jo…!”
OK Rush…should we call that a "muff" or since your a golfing duffer, a "Mulligan"..?
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LotharBot Fri, Feb 5, 2010 1:59:52pm |
Rush is wrong, but not for the reason the above quote implies.
Remember, "debt" and "deficit" are two different things. Bush is responsible for some chunk of debt, but he didn't write the FY2010 budget with its massive deficit.
Bush is responsible for the part of the current deficit that is due to Iraq/Afghanistan war spending. So Bush *is* responsible for some part of the current deficit, which Rush fails to acknowledge. But Bush is not responsible for the fact that Obama's budget also includes other huge wastes of money; Rush is right to place the blame for those parts of the deficit squarely on Obama, he's just wrong to ignore Bush's contributions.
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oldegeezr Fri, Feb 5, 2010 2:33:57pm |
re: #385 LotharBot
“…But Bush is not responsible for the fact that Obama's budget also includes other huge wastes of money; Rush is right to place the blame for those parts of the deficit squarely on Obama, he's just wrong to ignore Bush's contributions.”
OK…
So let’s azzume, Paulson and Bush’s expenditures of 780 billion, doesn’t include…any waste?
One person’s “waste” might mean another’s reelection…!
Let’s do the arithmetic.
Bush: 780 billion + Obama: 240 billion = 1.2 trillion.
Should Ms. Lundberg send me back to the blackboard and have me; write my addition tables again…?
OH… and BTW: there was there no “waste” in the first 780 billion…but…but...hang on too yer hat baby and cover yer sorry bony azz… the next 240 billion is mostly all pork…?
Huh…gimme ah break LB…!
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Diane Fri, Feb 5, 2010 3:03:20pm |
re: #17 reine.de.tout
I agree with you, Reine de Tout, choosing to never use hurtful labeling is wise. This is an interesting subject. Insulting or labeling is an every day item.
For me, I just don't like to engage in destruction even if I feel disgusted. We can be passionate about an issue, disagree and still remain respectful. Sarah Palin did just that, I don't need to question her motivations. It's good.
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Insulting with labels is no better than smearing, bashing, or just bad mouthing... All designed to hit & hurt to various degrees. The motivations are always to destroy and to shine in return. It rarely works as hoped, I think but it is all over the news in all channels, in politic life, journalism, blogs, literature...
It is challenging sometimes not to insult someone. I can think of many instances like being on my bike and a stupid [...] driver cuts me off sending me in a baby stroller!
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oldegeezr Fri, Feb 5, 2010 3:07:07pm |
re: #385 LotharBot
“Bush is responsible for the part of the current deficit that is due to Iraq/Afghanistan war spending. So Bush *is* responsible for some part of the current deficit, which Rush fails to acknowledge.”
Who the hell knew…what’s a billion here or there…or maybe even a trillion…!
When I served in Vietnam almost fifty years ago, the cost per day was only a measly, pissy, one mil…!
53K+ fine troopers died for your opportunity to blog today...LB...!
I luv yeh, LB...H&K's... that's Heckler and Kochs...
Keep the faith...!
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Greengolem64 Sat, Feb 6, 2010 8:36:26am |
re: #387 Diane
I agree with you, Reine de Tout, choosing to never use hurtful labeling is wise. This is an interesting subject. Insulting or labeling is an every day item.
For me, I just don't like to engage in destruction even if I feel disgusted. We can be passionate about an issue, disagree and still remain respectful. Sarah Palin did just that, I don't need to question her motivations. It's good.
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Insulting with labels is no better than smearing, bashing, or just bad mouthing... All designed to hit & hurt to various degrees. The motivations are always to destroy and to shine in return. It rarely works as hoped, I think but it is all over the news in all channels, in politic life, journalism, blogs, literature...It is challenging sometimes not to insult someone. I can think of many instances like being on my bike and a stupid [...] driver cuts me off sending me in a baby stroller!
Couldn't agree more...and yet, look upthread..."TeaBagCon"...I guess it "IS" ok to use certain terms...and not others.
Maybe the BEST approach would be to just stick to the facts and not call people on either/any side of the aisle names.
GG
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Charles Johnson Sat, Feb 6, 2010 3:29:29pm |
re: #390 Greengolem64
Oh, you mean the tea party groups don't show up with little tea bags themselves? They don't have t-shirts with tea bag logos, they don't have costumes made of tea bags, they didn't start using the term "teabaggers" to refer to themselves?
Because I thought all of those things were true.
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greengolem64 Sat, Feb 6, 2010 6:32:40pm |
re: #391 Charles
re: #391 Charles
Oh, you mean the tea party groups don't show up with little tea bags themselves? They don't have t-shirts with tea bag logos, they don't have costumes made of tea bags, they didn't start using the term "teabaggers" to refer to themselves?
Because I thought all of those things were true.
Sure Charles...I'm sure that is the spirit in which the Title was intended.
What ever makes you feel good.
gg
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Diane Sun, Feb 7, 2010 10:27:56am |
re: #392 greengolem64
This is so late in the thread, my apologies.
I think I understand what you and Charles are saying. Anyway, the teabag label was bothering me a little until Charles explained it in this thread. If they called themselves teabaggers, they sort of looked for it. It is surprising but quite possible and I am still having a hard time with it. My weakness...
Maybe the BEST approach would be to just stick to the facts and not call people on either/any side of the aisle names.
I agree with you and although what you suggest sounds too nice to be true. It is not a bad thing to remember good old values once in awhile. Speaking for myself only. In the end, what matters is feeling okay when looking in the mirror. As I get older and softer on the edges, the list of those I disrespect gets shorter; it is just easier on my nerves. ;)
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