Overnight Open Thread
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.
— Aldous Huxley
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.
— Aldous Huxley
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Mar 3, 2010 11:11:28pm |
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freetoken Wed, Mar 3, 2010 11:22:23pm |
re: #2 Slumbering Behemoth
You have, um, an interesting knowledge of cinema.
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Racer X Wed, Mar 3, 2010 11:29:55pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Mar 3, 2010 11:34:49pm |
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freetoken Wed, Mar 3, 2010 11:37:03pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Mar 3, 2010 11:46:08pm |
re: #6 freetoken
Hahaha! WTF? Never watched the Grindhouse flicks. A parody trailer, I presume?
Also, I'm not a prude or nuthin', but that needs a NSFW tag.
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The Left Wed, Mar 3, 2010 11:50:30pm |
re: #7 Slumbering Behemoth
Hahaha! WTF? Never watched the Grindhouse flicks. A parody trailer, I presume?
Also, I'm not a prude or nuthin', but that needs a NSFW tag.
Parody trailer from the tarantino movie, I think? Can't remember.
"Yes bro...I mean, Padre".
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freetoken Wed, Mar 3, 2010 11:52:09pm |
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ryannon Wed, Mar 3, 2010 11:52:52pm |
re: #6 freetoken
I wonder if this one ought to be on the must see list also?
Great-looking stuff!
Even better than the old Roger Corman films - which gave a whole generation of young, new actors and directors (Francis Ford Coppola, Martin Scorsese, Ron Howard, Peter Bogdanovich, Peter Fonda, Jonathan Demme, Donald G. Jackson, Gale Anne Hurd, Carl Colpaert, Joe Dante, James Cameron, etc., etc.) their start.
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freetoken Wed, Mar 3, 2010 11:56:37pm |
Speaking of coming movies, here is one that I fear seeing:
Creator hopes Beyonce cast as Ginger in Gilligan`s Island remake
Beyoncé as the slinky, red-haired Ginger Grant, cast away forever on a deserted island?
Gilligan, Mary Ann and Ginger will morph back onto the big screen in a Warner Bros movie adaptation of the 1960s television sitcom Gilligan's Island, UPI reports.
The remake of the castaway comedy, to be set in the present day, has a few names associated with it so far. Among them is the superstar Beyoncé.
People reports Gilligan's Island creator Sherwood Schwartz has mentioned Michael Cera as a 'dream actor' to play the part of the dim but well-intentioned Gilligan - and Beyoncé as a possible choice for the movie star part of Ginger, played by Tina Louise.People, however, notes there is no official word on casting.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 4, 2010 12:01:27am |
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.
What?
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freetoken Thu, Mar 4, 2010 12:02:03am |
Well, I loaded up the spin-offs with plenty of links to articles about contentious subjects. Ought to be something there to p*ss just about everybody off!
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 4, 2010 12:03:40am |
re: #15 freetoken
I kinda gave up on the spinoffs. Charles launched the feature just about the time conservatives went mental and I got fed up with the conspiracy theories.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Mar 4, 2010 12:03:57am |
re: #11 freetoken
I for one do not fear seeing Beyonce anywhere, at any time. A full length feature film based on Gilligan's Island, on the other hand...
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freetoken Thu, Mar 4, 2010 12:06:50am |
re: #16 Killgore Trout
I know, it became the scene for pimping one's own blog, which was usually just a rehash of normal ultra-right talking points.
However, I and Thanos and some others have attempted to load up the spin-offs with more substantive stuff.
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windsagio Thu, Mar 4, 2010 12:08:24am |
That being said the spy still is usually people I've never heard of putting up wingnut crap, so I almost never actually look at the links either.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Mar 4, 2010 12:09:08am |
re: #16 Killgore Trout
Some of us conservatives aren't mental for conspiracy theories. Just sayin'.
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windsagio Thu, Mar 4, 2010 12:09:31am |
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SixDegrees Thu, Mar 4, 2010 12:11:21am |
re: #24 Slumbering Behemoth
Some of us conservatives aren't mental for conspiracy theories. Just sayin'.
Stop trying to narrow the brush. /
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windsagio Thu, Mar 4, 2010 12:11:43am |
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freetoken Thu, Mar 4, 2010 12:13:08am |
re: #24 Slumbering Behemoth
Speaking of conspiracies, Alex Jones is doing a full court press against SPLC.
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 12:15:08am |
re: #16 Killgore Trout
I kinda gave up on the spinoffs. Charles launched the feature just about the time conservatives went mental and I got fed up with the conspiracy theories.
What FT said in 19. I gave up on looking at the spinoffs very quickly, but the blog-pimpers are gone, and now, especially on an overnight, I highly recommend looking at the spinoffs. loads of great stuff from FT, jaunte, Thanos, a couple of others. It's WAY better than it ever was.
I still only look at spinoffs regularly on the overnight thread because the above mentioned people dominate them. Definitely a good tool now-- before, not at all.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Mar 4, 2010 12:16:29am |
re: #27 windsagio
Only when I find something funny or weird. Sort of my thing around here.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 4, 2010 12:18:22am |
re: #29 iceweasel
I give them a try from time to time, Maybe I'll get back into it again.
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freetoken Thu, Mar 4, 2010 12:20:07am |
Maybe I should get back to posting "world's best behinds" type of links in the spin-offs... like I used to?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Mar 4, 2010 12:21:22am |
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 12:26:39am |
re: #32 Killgore Trout
I give them a try from time to time, Maybe I'll get back into it again.
It's definitely way better. Every day now my first stop here is checking out the overnight links.
They do get some crap, and it's better to do earlier-- it's better on AM east coast time than west. I still don't bother with the links as a usual thing for every post. But now the overnight ones are a daily stop.
JMO and all. Good science stuff though now on the overnights.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 4, 2010 12:33:01am |
re: #33 freetoken
No complaints from me.
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freetoken Thu, Mar 4, 2010 12:33:56am |
re: #36 Killgore Trout
Or I could post enlightening videos which illuminate the true nature of America:
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Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 4, 2010 12:39:33am |
Regarding that Obama-as-Joker GOP picture on the downstairs thread:
I only saw the last half of "The Dark Knight" on cable at a friend's house (I can't afford and don't want cable - it cuts into my reading time), but didn't the Joker paint that face on his victims, too?
In other words, that poster is not only suggesting who Obama really is, it's also not-so-subtly insinuating what might be done to him.
Or am I reaching here? Surely no wingnut could be that nutty?
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 12:40:45am |
re: #39 Cato the Elder
Regarding that Obama-as-Joker GOP picture on the downstairs thread:
I only saw the last half of "The Dark Knight" on cable at a friend's house (I can't afford and don't want cable - it cuts into my reading time), but didn't the Joker paint that face on his victims, too?
In other words, that poster is not only suggesting who Obama really is, it's also not-so-subtly insinuating what might be done to him.
Or am I reaching here? Surely no wingnut could be that nutty?
I don't think you're reaching at all.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Mar 4, 2010 12:40:54am |
re: #38 freetoken
HOW DAIER U MOK REEL MURIKUHNS LIEK TAHT!
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windsagio Thu, Mar 4, 2010 12:42:46am |
dude, idioma, go offmessage for a while. Aren't you tired yet? :p
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freetoken Thu, Mar 4, 2010 12:43:54am |
re: #39 Cato the Elder
I doubt that the wingnuts (which now appear to include the fundraising committees of the GOP) have any deep understanding of the "Joker" character and the roles The Joker plays in the Batman universe.
They just want a scary picture of Obama, and are afraid to use the witch-doctor one.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 4, 2010 12:45:25am |
re: #19 freetoken
I know, it became the scene for pimping one's own blog, which was usually just a rehash of normal ultra-right talking points.
However, I and Thanos and some others have attempted to load up the spin-offs with more substantive stuff.
I don't even know what the spinoffs are *_*
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 4, 2010 12:47:15am |
re: #42 idioma
haha, see, LGF hates your guts, but I really don't since I know a LOT of strident athiest types who are my friends, I've just gotten used to it. :D But really flipping out about religion and how it's eating the earth or whatever, it just does nothing for me, I'd rather talk about Tony Iommi's guitar tone.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 4, 2010 12:48:49am |
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idioma Thu, Mar 4, 2010 12:49:39am |
re: #43 windsagio
dude, idioma, go offmessage for a while. Aren't you tired yet? :p
Could I not ask you the same question?
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 12:50:40am |
re: #44 freetoken
I doubt that the wingnuts (which now appear to include the fundraising committees of the GOP) have any deep understanding of the "Joker" character and the roles The Joker plays in the Batman universe.
They just want a scary picture of Obama, and are afraid to use the witch-doctor one.
FT-- I agree with you, in part. There were loads of lefty sites portraying Bush as the Joker, and in general I think the wingnuts kind of just thought, ok, scary makeup.
I didn't think there was anything racist at all about the Obama/Joker pic initially, I just thought it was ugly, and I didn't like it for the same reasons I didn't like the Bush/Joker pics or Mccain as vampire pics.
Then I read this piece in the WaPo that made me think more:
Obama as The Joker: Racial Fear's Ugly Face
Note-- I am not saying that it's racist to portray Obama as the joker, necessarily, but this piece did make me think about the messages involves in the Joker makeup in 2009 vs the one in Batman.
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freetoken Thu, Mar 4, 2010 12:51:51am |
Since people liked the PeopleOfWalmart Rap... here is something a bit more titillating:
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Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 4, 2010 12:53:04am |
re: #17 Slumbering Behemoth
I for one do not fear seeing Beyonce anywhere, at any time. A full length feature film based on Gilligan's Island, on the other hand...
A movie based on the good old sitcom "Petticoat Junction", though...I'd let someone pay for me to see that. Preferably rated R.
The good old days!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 4, 2010 12:53:34am |
re: #3 freetoken
You have, um, an interesting knowledge of cinema.
I highly recommend Tokyo Gore Police. (JAPANESE CINEMATIC DEPRAVITY, NOT SAFE FOR ANYTHING)
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Mar 4, 2010 12:53:59am |
So, after pissing ans moaning here, I did the same on Facebook. And a girl, recently divorced, said we should get together. Now. I did fuck up the other day. So barring being an idiot, does she wanna sleep with me?
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AK-47% Thu, Mar 4, 2010 12:54:14am |
re: #47 freetoken
I see you are back to trolling and spreading invictives on religion in general, mocking people's faith and evoking their righteous indignation
Let's show a little more sensitivity to those wingnuts who are just working to spread the Gospel. Flawed and demented as they may be, there is still the Holy Scripture in there somewhere...
/
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 4, 2010 12:54:57am |
re: #54 Cannadian Club Akbar
So, after pissing ans moaning here, I did the same on Facebook. And a girl, recently divorced, said we should get together. Now. I did fuck up the other day. So barring being an idiot, does she wanna sleep with me?
Get together, see what happens. Maybe she's into you, maybe not, doesn't hurt to give it a shot!
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Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 4, 2010 12:55:10am |
re: #43 windsagio
dude, idioma, go offmessage for a while. Aren't you tired yet? :p
The anti-Semitic concern troll has but one message.
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 12:55:19am |
re: #54 Cannadian Club Akbar
So, after pissing ans moaning here, I did the same on Facebook. And a girl, recently divorced, said we should get together. Now. I did fuck up the other day. So barring being an idiot, does she wanna sleep with me?
Yes, probably.
Go have drinks. If you have dinner ensure alcohol is involved.
I am not kidding.
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AK-47% Thu, Mar 4, 2010 12:55:53am |
re: #52 Cato the Elder
A movie based on the good old sitcom "Petticoat Junction", though...I'd let someone pay for me to see that. Preferably rated R.
The good old days!
I am convinced that there is a spec script for a remake of "My Mother the Car" floating around Hollywood.
I once even conceptualized it as the spirit of a GI mom killed in Iraq coming back as the navigation voice in a civilian Humvee, but I suppose they would have to rewrite it now that Humemrs are going down.
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freetoken Thu, Mar 4, 2010 12:57:27am |
re: #50 iceweasel
I concur that the Obama-Joker image is resonating with the Tea Partier/Neo-confederate etc crowd on a level of which they are not necessarily self-aware.
Also, I do agree that the very common ideation of the "dangerous" black male is at work in some.
However, it seems to me that many of the targets of the image, as used by the GOP, is probably the "get even" - they did it to Bush so now we're doing it to Obama - approach.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 4, 2010 12:57:27am |
re: #58 iceweasel
Yes, probably.
Go have drinks. If you have dinner ensure alcohol is involved.I am not kidding.
QUOTED! FOR! TRUTH!
You get three pints into someone, they start saying what they really mean.
The rule in the game industry is such: A Non Disclosure Agreement is worth about three beers. Get a line coder or a Maya modeler a couple of gin and tonics, and they'll let loose about all their producer and publisher and technology woes.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Mar 4, 2010 1:00:39am |
re: #58 iceweasel
Yes, probably.
Go have drinks. If you have dinner ensure alcohol is involved.I am not kidding.
Okie Dokie. I am sure she needs a release like I do. Could do us both good.
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 1:02:11am |
re: #61 WindUpBird
QUOTED! FOR! TRUTH!
You get three pints into someone, they start saying what they really mean.
The rule in the game industry is such: A Non Disclosure Agreement is worth about three beers. Get a line coder or a Maya modeler a couple of gin and tonics, and they'll let loose about all their producer and publisher and technology woes.
Quite serious in advice to CCA. Work the whole hey we're buds routine, let's talk about how our recent love lives sucked, get drunk, wind up 'accidentally' having sex.
Yo, CCA, all you have to do is have a hilarious discussion about your love life and her ex, then look her dead in the eye and say "Any man who cheated on you/looked at another woman was a fool".
Then make sure you go back to joking again and 'somehow' have more drinks.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Mar 4, 2010 1:02:19am |
re: #62 Cannadian Club Akbar
Okie Dokie. I am sure she needs a release like I do. Could do us both good.
I will be honest in the chat. I don't want to lie.
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freetoken Thu, Mar 4, 2010 1:02:47am |
re: #58 iceweasel
Yes, probably.
Go have drinks. If you have dinner ensure alcohol is involved.I am not kidding.
"Candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker" ...?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Mar 4, 2010 1:03:17am |
re: #48 WindUpBird
I have that one bookmarked. Easily one of my favorites.
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 1:07:53am |
re: #65 freetoken
"Candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker" ...?
Exactly.
Dorothy Parker was most instructive on relations between the sexes.
re: #64 Cannadian Club Akbar
I will be honest in the chat. I don't want to lie.
Honesty will work better anyway, as well as being more attractive.
Really, just go hang with her her, but make sure alcohol is involved, define it as a 'we're friends' thing, so there's no pressure on her, be honest and nature will take its course.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 4, 2010 1:09:02am |
OK, time for some more Incredible String Band.
"All this world is but a play
Be thou the joyful player."
This song encapsulates essential elements of my Christobuddhist theology.
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
The great ship, the ship of the world
Long time sailing
Mariners, mariners, gather your skills
Jesus and Hitler and Richard the LionHeart
Three Kings and Moses and Queen Cleopatra
The cobbler, the maiden
The mender and the maker
The sickener and the twitcher
And the glad undertaker
The shepherd of willows
The harper and the archer,
All sat down in one boat together:
Troubled voyage in calm weather.
And I have no idea why YouTube links don't turn into little YouTube boxes anymore. Charles?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Mar 4, 2010 1:09:55am |
re: #67 iceweasel
Honesty will work better anyway, as well as being more attractive.
Really, just go hang with her her, but make sure alcohol is involved, define it as a 'we're friends' thing, so there's no pressure on her, be honest and nature will take its course.
Um, I already "did" her once, if that matters.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Mar 4, 2010 1:18:30am |
I threw away my lucky penny, my rabbit's foot and gypsy ring.
G'nite Lizards.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Mar 4, 2010 1:19:20am |
re: #69 Cannadian Club Akbar
Um, I already "did" her once, if that matters.
And not embarrassed See Ya'll Later
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Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 4, 2010 1:20:13am |
re: #70 freetoken
What did you do differently? Really, I'm having this problem all the time now, when I'm not getting "playlists" instead of single songs.
YouTube is screwed up. They disimproved it.
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freetoken Thu, Mar 4, 2010 1:26:11am |
re: #73 Cato the Elder
This song encapsulates essential elements of my Christobuddhist theology.
Empty your mind of the noise and become one with the computer.
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freetoken Thu, Mar 4, 2010 1:39:12am |
re: #73 Cato the Elder
Seriously, just be sure to preview your post. If the link isn't embedding as a Youtube video, cut and paste it again.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 4, 2010 1:39:49am |
re: #76 freetoken
Seriously, just be sure to preview your post. If the link isn't embedding as a Youtube video, cut and paste it again.
Done that, doesn't work.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 4, 2010 1:44:33am |
re: #66 Slumbering Behemoth
I have that one bookmarked. Easily one of my favorites.
I saw Heavy Metal for the first time when I was like 13 or 14, it got me hooked on the BOC record Fire of Unknown Origin because of Veteran of the Psychic Wars :D
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 1:48:32am |
I just love that post about the RNC donor memo. Oh yes, I do.
Tchotches, RNC, FTW!
The small donors who are the targets of direct marketing are described under the heading “Visceral Giving.” Their motivations are listed as “fear;” “Extreme negative feelings toward existing Administration;” and “Reactionary.”
Major donors, by contrast, are treated in a column headed “Calculated Giving.”
Their motivations include: “Peer to Peer Pressure”; “access”; and “Ego-Driven.”
Mmm, mmm, mmmm. I'm loving it.
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freetoken Thu, Mar 4, 2010 1:49:10am |
re: #77 Cato the Elder
Your link ought to end in "watch?v=q_JnyN1ajYw".
Your link has a referenced video, and includes the string "watch#!" which is I think a no-no. Your string after the youtube url is "/watch#!videos=q6_DzjkeD7M&v=q_JnyN1ajYw" which is not a simple video link. Did you cut the address from somewhere else?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Mar 4, 2010 2:34:02am |
Makin' a pork chop a couple eggie. Do you have a problem with dat?
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ryannon Thu, Mar 4, 2010 2:43:08am |
re: #68 Cato the Elder
Not the best recording, but still such a lovely song. ISB at Woodstock with "When You Find Out Who You Are:
It's of a strange and furious time
when men did speed to pray
Along the road of discontent to gods of gold and clay
Some did seek security
Among the seas of change
And some did seek dear life to wound
a furious time and strange
But when you find out who you are
Beautiful beyond your dreams
Just look around and
notice where you are
Just look around and notice what you see
Each moment born for you innocently
But when I see what we have made
What we have cut with the mind's blade
In the blackness feel it all
Repeated faces rise and fall
With ancient goals unwondering fail
Further obscure the ancient trail
Filling with the endless years
The river of your heart's tears
I swear you have the power
as the angels do
Spread out your fingers and
make all things new
Change the world by the things you say
By the things you love
And by the games you play
And you make each new day
It feels so funny in your mummy's tummy
Before you get born into
the world for to carry on
Remember young man of the time
before you first went to school
How did it feel trying to live to the rule
Remember young man of the time
when your love stick
First rose free between your legs
Like a growing tree
Remember you walked with your lover
Like a gypsy and a gypsy queen
Under the stars where the sign was seen
Under the stars where
the leaves were green
Under the stars where the sign was seen
0 how many shining hearts
With love has guided me
And many I have met before
in lands across the sea
We used to speak of that ocean deep
How little words can say
It's better now to ask your friend
What makes him sad today
No one can do it for you
Make your own sky blue
Make your own dreams come true
Make it come true.
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 4, 2010 3:19:36am |
re: #15 freetoken
Well, I loaded up the spin-offs with plenty of links to articles about contentious subjects. Ought to be something there to p*ss just about everybody off!
I found this off of one of your links:
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
Big gains for far-right leader Geert Wilders as Dutch go to the polls
Geert Wilders, the Dutch far-right anti-immigrant maverick, scored big gains in yesterday's local elections in the Netherlands, according to projections last night, indicating he may dominate the political scene in the run-up to the general election in three months.
.....
Wilders last night claimed a big victory, predicting: "We are going to conquer the entire country ... We are going to be the biggest party in the country."
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 4, 2010 3:20:59am |
re: #28 freetoken
Speaking of conspiracies, Alex Jones is doing a full court press against SPLC.
A broke clock is right twice a day.
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 4, 2010 3:25:10am |
re: #54 Cannadian Club Akbar
So, after pissing ans moaning here, I did the same on Facebook. And a girl, recently divorced, said we should get together. Now. I did fuck up the other day. So barring being an idiot, does she wanna sleep with me?
I was going to say she wants to sleep with you but she may not know it yet and then I read Ice's response....get her liquored up. LOL! I like her.
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 4, 2010 3:26:17am |
re: #64 Cannadian Club Akbar
I will be honest in the chat. I don't want to lie.
Turn in your man card please.
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 4, 2010 3:33:51am |
I'm going to keep talking to myself, I don't care.
The Mayor Calvo story has been in the news again this last week. One county in Md finally released their SWAT team numbers and they were pretty awful. More than 100 times last year they were used to deliver warrants for non-violent misdemeanors. Anyway, there was a long letter to the editor of the paper from a former local Police Chief that Radley Balko rips apart:
[Link: www.theagitator.com...]
It's a long piece, read it all, but here is the gist:
If Mr. Schweinsburg had read much at all on Calvo’s story before firing off his letter, he’d know that the most aggravating thing about the raid is that Prince George’s Officials—from County Executive Jack Johnson to Sheriff Michael Jackson—have stubbornly and shamelessly refused to admit that the police made a single mistake. The horrifying lesson to draw from that: It’s perfectly acceptable for the police to barge into a home of an innocent family without first doing any corroborating investigation, shoot and kill the family’s dogs, handcuff the home’s occupants for hours on end, lie about the circumstances leading up to, during, and after the raid, then refuse to turn over any information about the investigation and raid when the wrongly raided family requests to see it. No mistakes were identified because Jackson has determined none were made. No training and policy modifications will be put in place because Jackson doesn’t feel any are appropriate. This is why “micro-managing” SWAT teams is necessary. Because police and public officials have come to the mind-numbing conclusion that something as atrocious as the Calvo raid can occur . . . and yet still believe that no one made any mistakes.
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idioma Thu, Mar 4, 2010 3:37:46am |
re: #57 Cato the Elder
The anti-Semitic concern troll has but one message.
Cato is a racist! Don't listen to him!///
It's easier to dismiss someone's ideas once you've labeled them unfairly.
I've been following this blog for awhile now, and I know you can do better than that.
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freetoken Thu, Mar 4, 2010 3:43:05am |
re: #90 RogueOne
You're never alone on LGF.
There are only 44 members logged in right now, a dozen on this thread. But even at this hour there will be over a thousand people reading LGF somewhere in the world.
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 4, 2010 3:43:10am |
Speaking of officers shooting dogs, it's not enough that they shoot a suspects dog this cop thought it was necessary to shoot the neighbors dog:
[Link: kstp.com...]
A police officer trying to make an arrest at a Minneapolis home shot the neighbor's dog.The dog's owners are angry and confused, but police officials say the officer acted responsibly.
William Knapp said his rottweiler/yellow lab mix Wilson was in his fenced yard, located in the 3200 block of Bryant Avenue N, Friday morning as police tried to arrest someone at at house next door.
Knapp said, "I heard my mom yelling, 'They shot our dog they shot dog.'"
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 4, 2010 3:43:52am |
re: #92 freetoken
You're never alone on LGF.
There are only 44 members logged in right now, a dozen on this thread. But even at this hour there will be over a thousand people reading LGF somewhere in the world.
I hadn't thought about it that way, I'll watch my language.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Mar 4, 2010 3:51:07am |
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sattv4u2 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 3:53:56am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Mar 4, 2010 3:55:12am |
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 4, 2010 4:00:05am |
Everyone seen the Funny or Die Presidential reunion bit? Here's the first 5 mins or so:
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Mar 4, 2010 4:00:29am |
re: #97 Cannadian Club Akbar
Now that cheered me up.
I got my house broke into and I might get laid. Insurance covers what got stolen, and my virginity was stolen years ago. So, I guess I'm happy?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Mar 4, 2010 4:05:57am |
I went to the last place I worked yesterday. Got paid. Dude is a douche. He is on the list.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Mar 4, 2010 4:11:47am |
re: #101 Cannadian Club Akbar
I went to the last place I worked yesterday. Got paid. Dude is a douche. He is on the list.
And while I only worked there a small amount of time, I did steal 1 ingredient. Sometimes that all you need.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Mar 4, 2010 4:17:42am |
My brother met a Psychotherapist the other day. Turns out she is a pill head.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Mar 4, 2010 4:24:00am |
I had another brother ask me if a !.75 last me 2 weeks. I looked at him and said, "You're joking, right?" Guess he wasn't.
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steve Thu, Mar 4, 2010 4:26:59am |
Never Scratch a Tiger With a Short Stick. One of my favorite book of quotes.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Mar 4, 2010 4:37:06am |
re: #105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I can kill a 1.75 in 2 days. But there must be planning. And honest, I rarely do it, but I can.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Mar 4, 2010 4:45:35am |
Good Morning Lizarddom!
Waiting on a 1 man lift delivery to finish painting my foyer and great room. I thought the 2 story room with wall to ceiling windows was so cool when I bought the place...now...not so much.
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Jadespring Thu, Mar 4, 2010 4:47:16am |
Morning.
I'm all discomboobled this am. I need some stronger coffee or something.
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idioma Thu, Mar 4, 2010 4:47:47am |
Texas: Remind me to stay the hell out of Texas.
GOP Proposition 4 Public Acknowledgement of God Precincts Reporting: 8234 of 8236 99%
X Yes 1374620 95%
No 70103 5%
GOP Proposition 5 Require Sonograms Before Elective Abortion Precincts Reporting: 8234 of 8236 99%
X Yes 969705 69%
No 438564 31%
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 4:49:33am |
re: #112 idioma
Texas: Remind me to stay the hell out of Texas.
GOP Proposition 4 Public Acknowledgement of God Precincts Reporting: 8234 of 8236 99%
X Yes 1374620 95%
No 70103 5%GOP Proposition 5 Require Sonograms Before Elective Abortion Precincts Reporting: 8234 of 8236 99%
X Yes 969705 69%
No 438564 31%
GodDAMN.
Bible beating bastards.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 4, 2010 4:50:38am |
re: #112 idioma
Texas: Remind me to stay the hell out of Texas.
GOP Proposition 4 Public Acknowledgement of God Precincts Reporting: 8234 of 8236 99%
X Yes 1374620 95%
No 70103 5%GOP Proposition 5 Require Sonograms Before Elective Abortion Precincts Reporting: 8234 of 8236 99%
X Yes 969705 69%
No 438564 31%
You whining like a "gut-shot cop"?
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idioma Thu, Mar 4, 2010 4:52:50am |
re: #114 MandyManners
You whining like a "gut-shot cop"?
Nope, just saying that based on these numbers I want less to do with Texas.
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Jadespring Thu, Mar 4, 2010 4:55:45am |
Iceweasal,
How is all your cooking shopping going?
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oldegeezr Thu, Mar 4, 2010 4:58:08am |
The Republican “concern trolls” for the Democrats possibably losing next November if they vote for health care reform are litterally multiplying like humping rabbits [or is it gerbils] across the morning news shows today.
Earlier it had been the GOP leadership McConnell, Boehner and Ryan emphasizing their heartfelt concern for the looming demise of the Democrat party.
Now it would appear the memo has been read by all and the message of doom has proliferated to literally every right wing pundit and talking head appearing or blogging anywhere.
Podium pounding, chest thumping pontification; with overwhelming concern and deep dudgeon as to how voting for health care reform will literally destroy the loyal opposition as they know it…
If it weren’t so damn pathetic it would be roll on the floor funny…!
Yeh just gotta have a sense of humor with those folks.
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:00:18am |
re: #118 Jadespring
Iceweasal,
How is all your cooking shopping going?
Hey Jadespring! Thanks for asking!
I figured out what I'm buying and also where I'm shopping. Waiting on the purchases til next week when, it appears, Jimmah will be here with me. Yay!
Found this cool site the city cook-- lists a lot of supply places and has good info, ran through their supply list for a small kitchen and between that, info from you and SB, and CCA, i know what I'm getting. Thanks for asking!
How's the gardening? Think I saw that you got some seeds and have a greenhouse, unless i hallucinated that last bit. Now i'm looking into hydroponics or something to grow some stuff indoors.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:00:54am |
re: #118 Jadespring
Iceweasal,
How is all your cooking shopping going?
I thiinked she listen to me and went to a restaurant supply store.
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:02:47am |
re: #123 Cannadian Club Akbar
D'oh!!!
No, you're quite right-- there's two restaurant supply places I'm going to.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:03:02am |
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:05:37am |
re: #119 oldegeezr
Universal health care supporters should wait and see if the Dems have the balls and discipline to pass anything at all, other than their usual load of smelly gas.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:06:12am |
It follows a December 2009 arrest warrant issued for opposition leader Tzipi Livni for her involvement in Operation Cast Lead in Gaza.
According to the Daily Telegraph, "the Crown Prosecution Service will take over responsibility for prosecuting war crimes and other violations of international law, ending the current system in which magistrates are obliged to consider a case for an arrest warrant presented by any individual."
SNIP
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:07:00am |
re: #126 Spare O'Lake
Universal health care supporters should wait and see if the Dems have the balls and discipline to pass anything at all, other than their usual load of smelly gas.
They don't have the votes.
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:07:49am |
re: #128 Cannadian Club Akbar
They don't have the votes.
WaPo two hours ago:
Obama calls for reconciliation to prevent filibuster on health-care reform
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:10:12am |
re: #129 iceweasel
WaPo two hours ago:
Obama calls for reconciliation to prevent filibuster on health-care reform
[Link: www.breitbart.tv...]
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:10:29am |
Shit. Liberal blogger "Jon Swift" has died. Only 46. Funny, funny guy.
[Link: www.vanityfair.com...]
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:11:12am |
re: #128 Cannadian Club Akbar
They don't have the votes.
What gets me laughing is that prog asshole SanFranNan telling them to vote anyway, knowing that her district will always re-elect her.
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idioma Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:11:32am |
re: #129 iceweasel
WaPo two hours ago:
Obama calls for reconciliation to prevent filibuster on health-care reform
At this point, as much as I care about health care reform. I'll be glad when we are past this. It's been an ugly few years of politics.
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Taqyia2Me Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:11:50am |
[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]
Giannoulias (D-IL) fails to end bank controversy
"...."Can I look back and make sure I don't say anything inconsistent?" Giannoulias asked, somewhat awkwardly. "This was eight years ago. Seven or eight years ago. As I mentioned, if we knew everything about this individual's past, we wouldn't have given those loans."
A silky parser of words may have had an easier time, perhaps an artist in the lawyerly game of negative implication — when what's not said is more important than what is said.
If such a candidate could make reporters feel tingles running up their legs, if he could offer himself up as an empty vessel for their guilt and their hopes, he might get away with it.
But that guy is in the White House now...."
"...But the Rezko issue was marginalized as mere partisan Republican harping. And in local and national media accounts, Obama was portrayed as Rezko's victim.
The implication was that the spidery Rezko stalked the idealistic and naive young Obama and almost dragged him down, by buying that strip of land in the Kenwood neighborhood, so Obama could afford that dream house.
That's not reality. But politics isn't about reality as much as it is about establishing a compelling narrative. And the media so loved Obama's creation myth..."
{bang bang, Al Capone}
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SixDegrees Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:11:58am |
re: #119 oldegeezr
Seems like a workable strategy. The GOP doesn't have the votes to affect the outcome, so they're working the other side of the aisle, drumming up opposition over there and amongst the electorate. It's one of the things the Democrats would be doing if they were in a similar position, and have done in the past.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:12:29am |
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:13:00am |
re: #135 Taqyia2Me
Fucking hoods. The whole lot of them.
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Jadespring Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:13:34am |
re: #121 iceweasel
Hey Jadespring! Thanks for asking!
I figured out what I'm buying and also where I'm shopping. Waiting on the purchases til next week when, it appears, Jimmah will be here with me. Yay!
Found this cool site the city cook-- lists a lot of supply places and has good info, ran through their supply list for a small kitchen and between that, info from you and SB, and CCA, i know what I'm getting. Thanks for asking!How's the gardening? Think I saw that you got some seeds and have a greenhouse, unless i hallucinated that last bit. Now i'm looking into hydroponics or something to grow some stuff indoors.
That sounds great. I had a great time a couple of years ago when I was setting up my kitchen in my new house. It was great having an excuse to do out and get great stuff.
Gardening is going good. I won't get to play with the greenhouse for another month or so though it's looking like we might be getting a very early spring this year. I planted some tomatoes and leeks yesterday to get them started. I'm trying out some early outdoor planting techniques this season so if all goes well I'll start getting juicy tomatoes about 6 weeks before I usually do. Since I've got all the plant lights set up I'm going to plant some salad mix indoors and maybe some annual flowers.
Mostly though it's just lots of planning where everything is going to go.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:14:59am |
Morning everyone. I finally saw Ingloriuos Basterds (took me forever to get it from Netflix) last night. I liked it, but I think it was kind of uneven. I expected more combat/nazi killing scenes. The whole cinema plot was unexpected.
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oldegeezr Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:17:08am |
re: #126 Spare O'Lake
The cajones and discipline, indeed!
With the earlier margin they had in the Senate and the numbers they still have in the House it certainly doesn’t say much for their leadership.
You’re correct, they’ll have to grow a pair or more!
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:17:19am |
re: #134 idioma
At this point, as much as I care about health care reform. I'll be glad when we are past this. It's been an ugly few years of politics.
Have you reconciled yourself to the legitimacy and right to exist of the State of Israel?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:18:42am |
re: #140 Mad Al-Jaffee
Morning everyone. I finally saw Ingloriuos Basterds (took me forever to get it from Netflix) last night. I liked it, but I think it was kind of uneven. I expected more combat/nazi killing scenes. The whole cinema plot was unexpected.
Killing Nazi's is good. Just sayin'
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:20:58am |
re: #143 Cannadian Club Akbar
Killing Nazi's is good. Just sayin'
Especially when it's done with a baseball bat.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:21:25am |
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:22:40am |
re: #137 Cannadian Club Akbar
Pure video.
CNN says the same - they all doubt that the Dem votes are presently there. I just cannot believe what a dysfunctional bunch they are.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:24:09am |
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idioma Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:25:47am |
re: #142 Spare O'Lake
Have you reconciled yourself to the legitimacy and right to exist of the State of Israel?
Still feeling hurt about that?
I never said that Israel was illegitimate. I said that the associated religious conflict has a terrible price tag, one which the entire world most endure. But you probably are too willing to ignore that part.
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SixDegrees Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:26:14am |
re: #146 Spare O'Lake
CNN says the same - they all doubt that the Dem votes are presently there. I just cannot believe what a dysfunctional bunch they are.
Well, during the last go-around they learned that holding out pays large rewards. Expect much more such behavior this time, further amplified by the midterms being that much closer.
If I were a Democratic representative, I'd be demanding every perq and exemption I could think of for my district. 'Cause there's a really good chance I'd get it.
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SixDegrees Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:27:17am |
re: #142 Spare O'Lake
Have you reconciled yourself to the legitimacy and right to exist of the State of Israel?
I predict this thread is about to lose whatever redeeming social importance it might have had.
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:28:27am |
re: #149 SixDegrees
Well, during the last go-around they learned that holding out pays large rewards. Expect much more such behavior this time, further amplified by the midterms being that much closer.
If I were a Democratic representative, I'd be demanding every perq and exemption I could think of for my district. 'Cause there's a really good chance I'd get it.
Ah yes...the whore factor. Sorry, I forgot my Dem 101.
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Ericus58 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:28:54am |
re: #114 MandyManners
You whining like a "gut-shot cop"?
Once he rang that bell, pretty much the rest of his talking points and idea's just went away.
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oldegeezr Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:29:04am |
re: #136 SixDegrees
Certainly; just more politics as usual…
It just tickles by funny bone to hear them sooo concerned, in such a sincere manner, in so many ways, about those poor olde Democrats!
Hehehe…
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idioma Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:30:48am |
re: #152 Ericus58
Once he rang that bell, pretty much the rest of his talking points and idea's just went away.
uh, huh. Yeah. I'm still here, and so are all of my ideas.
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:31:26am |
State Senator busted for DUI leaving a gay club, unidentified male companion with him
Ashburn was booked into the Sacramento County Jail and released on $1,400 bond.
Ashburn, a father of four, is a Republican Senator representing parts of Kern, Tulare and San Bernardino Counties with a history of opposing gay rights.
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idioma Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:32:11am |
re: #155 iceweasel
State Senator busted for DUI leaving a gay club, unidentified male companion with him
[Video]
Family Values!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:32:50am |
I have no use for porn. Just sayin. Out.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:33:14am |
re: #149 SixDegrees
Well, during the last go-around they learned that holding out pays large rewards. Expect much more such behavior this time, further amplified by the midterms being that much closer.
If I were a Democratic representative, I'd be demanding every perq and exemption I could think of for my district. 'Cause there's a really good chance I'd get it.
Like getting your brother nominated for a judge position...
Obama Now Selling Judgeships for Health Care Votes?
Tonight, Barack Obama will host ten House Democrats who voted against the health care bill in November at the White House; he's obviously trying to persuade them to switch their votes to yes. One of the ten is Jim Matheson of Utah. The White House just sent out a press release announcing that today President Obama nominated Matheson's brother Scott M. Matheson, Jr. to the United States Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit.
...So, Scott Matheson appears to have the credentials to be a judge, but was his nomination used to buy off his brother's vote?
Consider Congressman Matheson's record on the health care bill. He voted against the bill in the Energy and Commerce Committee back in July and again when it passed the House in November. But now he's "undecided" on ramming the bill through Congress. "The Congressman is looking for development of bipartisan consensus," Matheson's press secretary Alyson Heyrend wrote to THE WEEKLY STANDARD on February 22. "It’s too early to know if that will occur." Asked if one could infer that if no Republican votes in favor of the bill (i.e. if a bipartisan consensus is not reached) then Rep. Matheson would vote no, Heyrend replied: "I would not infer anything. I’d wait to see what develops, starting with the health care summit on Thursday."
The timing of this nomination looks suspicious, especially in light Democratic Congressman Joe Sestak's claim that he was offered a federal job not to run against Arlen Specter in the Pennsylvania primary. Many speculated that Sestak, a former admiral, was offered the Secretary of the Navy job.
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:33:45am |
re: #148 idioma
Still feeling hurt about that?
I never said that Israel was illegitimate. I said that the associated religious conflict has a terrible price tag, one which the entire world most endure. But you probably are too willing to ignore that part.
What I'm not willing to ignore is your anti-Semitic point of view.
What I will ignore is anything else you post here.
FOAD
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Ericus58 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:34:58am |
I almost thought I saw someone trying to talk... but I was mistaken.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:36:21am |
re: #160 Ericus58
I almost thought I saw someone trying to talk... but I was mistaken.
No, that was me piling another cut of gamey troll buttocks on the barbecue. Flavor of the day is Famous Dave's Sweet & Sassy.
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:37:32am |
Ultimate Bush Insider Lifts Veil on Presidency
Karl Rove, the chief political adviser to President George W. Bush and architect of his two successful campaigns for the White House, says in a new memoir that Mr. Bush probably would not have invaded Iraq had he known there were no unconventional weapons there.
I guess Rove is a commie now too.
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idioma Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:38:12am |
re: #159 Spare O'Lake
What I'm not willing to ignore is your anti-Semitic point of view.
What I will ignore is anything else you post here.
FOAD
What have I said, exactly, which you consider "anti-semitic"?
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:40:15am |
Morning! Forgive my...silliness yesterday, as I was desperately lacking sleep.
:)
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:40:56am |
re: #155 iceweasel
State Senator busted for DUI leaving a gay club, unidentified male companion with him
[Video]
Hoyer knew of Massa allegations
First-term Rep. Eric Massa announced Wednesday that he will not seek reelection, saying his doctors have told him that he can’t continue to “run at 100 miles an hour.”
But several House aides told POLITICO that the House ethics committee has been informed of allegations that the New York Democrat, who is married with two children, made unwanted advances toward a junior male staffer.
A more senior staffer — Ronald Hikel, Massa’s former deputy chief of staff and legislative director — took the complaints to the ethics committee and was interviewed about them twice.
Hikel declined to comment about the situation, but House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) confirmed that the Democratic leadership had been informed of the allegations before the news broke.
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:42:27am |
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:43:02am |
A 45-year-old woman, charged with ending a domestic dispute by killing her 26-year-old husband of five days, is a registered lobbyist for a group fighting domestic violence.
But:
Bridges' group isn't among the prominent domestic violence lobbying groups in Georgia, said Kirsten Rambo, the executive director of the Georgia Commission on Family Violence."This is the first I've heard about that organization," Rambo said. "I certainly couldn't say if they were legitimate or not," she said, adding, "It's certainly a new name to me."
Bridges has filed sparse lobbying expenses, according to State Ethics Commission records. So far this year, she's reported spending $20 -- for parking while lobbying for the abuse database.
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:44:17am |
re: #167 Varek Raith
Just a side dish of tu quoque?
Yep. They'll have to work a lot harder than that even on my worst day. ;)
BTW, Varek, so sorry to hear about your job. Good luck.
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:44:52am |
re: #162 iceweasel
Ultimate Bush Insider Lifts Veil on Presidency
I guess Rove is a commie now too.
Morning! Not to rehash a 7yr old argument but everyone, including saddam, thought there were WMD's laying around and that was the overriding reason for going in. Personally, I thought it was the right thing to do regardless. I still believe it was the right thing to do strictly based on the humanitarian argument.
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:46:05am |
re: #170 RogueOne
Morning! Not to rehash a 7yr old argument but everyone, including saddam, thought there were WMD's laying around and that was the overriding reason for going in. Personally, I thought it was the right thing to do regardless. I still believe it was the right thing to do strictly based on the humanitarian argument.
I think it's interesting that Rove thinks Bush wouldn't have thought it was the right thing to do, though.
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:46:39am |
re: #169 iceweasel
Yep. They'll have to work a lot harder than that even on my worst day. ;)
BTW, Varek, so sorry to hear about your job. Good luck.
Heh, I'll be fine. I squirreled away some cash for just such an event. Actually, I'm enjoying the free time.
;)
Wth, I'm a cynic in all things except for when it comes to myself???
Confused.
:P
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:47:09am |
re: #170 RogueOne
Morning! Not to rehash a 7yr old argument but everyone, including saddam, thought there were WMD's laying around and that was the overriding reason for going in. Personally, I thought it was the right thing to do regardless. I still believe it was the right thing to do strictly based on the humanitarian argument.
Not to mention Russian intelligence telling the US that an Iraq terrorist attack inside the US was imminent.
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:47:17am |
re: #110 rwdflynavy
Good Morning Lizarddom!
Waiting on a 1 man lift delivery to finish painting my foyer and great room. I thought the 2 story room with wall to ceiling windows was so cool when I bought the place...now...not so much.
How is the move progressing?
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:47:37am |
Bottom line:
Anyone who wishes for Israel to cease to exist, or who bemoans the inconvenience of her existence, is an anti-Semite.
Done.
BBL.
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idioma Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:48:08am |
re: #159 Spare O'Lake
Accusations of racial bigotry are not taken lightly by many, O'Lake. So if you want to label me, please be more specific.
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:48:24am |
re: #173 NJDhockeyfan
Not to mention Russian intelligence telling the US that an Iraq terrorist attack inside the US was imminent.
Really, that's the first I've heard of it.*
*not that it means anything, I miss painfully obvious things at times!
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:48:44am |
Here's some good news...
Coast Guard crew survives crash in Utah mountains
SALT LAKE CITY – Authorities say snow and wind affected visibility in remote Utah mountains where a Coast Guard helicopter went down as it returned home from the Olympics, but they still don't know if that's what caused the crash. All five people aboard survived.
Two were in critical condition following Wednesday's accident and one was in serious condition, according to hospital officials. All three had to be airlifted from the remote crash site.
Another two with minor injuries were brought out on snowmobiles.
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CommonCents Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:49:15am |
re: #168 iceweasel
Just the phrase makes me laugh "... fighting domestic violence."
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idioma Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:49:41am |
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:49:46am |
re: #179 CommonCents
Just the phrase makes me laugh "... fighting domestic violence."
Look at her last name...
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:50:50am |
Here's something cool, nonpartisan, and peaceful for the am hours:
3D Sidewalk Art That Will Blow Your Mind (PHOTOS)
Slideshow at link.
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CommonCents Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:51:25am |
re: #170 RogueOne
All I have to say on the subject is "it's a slam dunk Mr. President".
I agree with your assessment that it was still the right thing to do.
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:52:09am |
re: #182 iceweasel
Here's something cool, nonpartisan, and peaceful for the am hours:
3D Sidewalk Art That Will Blow Your Mind (PHOTOS)
Slideshow at link.
Non partisan? That first pic is clearly alarmist AGW propaganda!
/
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:52:39am |
re: #177 Varek Raith
Really, that's the first I've heard of it.*
*not that it means anything, I miss painfully obvious things at times!
I know. This story fails to get mentioned during the Iraq war arguments but I think it's very relevant. I challenge anyone to put themselves in George Bush's shoes at that time and see what they would have done.
Putin: Russia warned U.S. of Iraq terror
(CNN) -- Russian President Vladimir Putin said his country warned the United States several times that Saddam Hussein's regime was planning terror attacks on the United States and its overseas interests.Putin's comments in Kazakhstan came amid a new debate in the United States about the extent of ties between Saddam and the al Qaeda terrorist network triggered by a preliminary report from the commission investigating the September 11 attacks.
"I can confirm that after the events of September 11, 2001, and up to the military operation in Iraq, Russian special services and Russian intelligence several times received ... information that official organs of Saddam's regime were preparing terrorist acts on the territory of the United States and beyond its borders, at U.S. military and civilian locations," Putin said.
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Ericus58 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:53:44am |
re: #182 iceweasel
Here's something cool, nonpartisan, and peaceful for the am hours:
3D Sidewalk Art That Will Blow Your Mind (PHOTOS)
Slideshow at link.
I really enjoy this artwork, and I'm fascinated by their ability to project the effect based on the viewing angle and distances.
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idioma Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:54:22am |
re: #184 Spare O'Lake
And fuck you Iceweasel for updinging that anti-Semitic piece of shit.
If this is going to be a witch-hunt please say so. Otherwise, how do we know YOU are not an Anti-Semite?
Again I ask you to provide some evidence of this outrageous claim.
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:57:31am |
re: #187 Ericus58
I really enjoy this artwork, and I'm fascinated by their ability to project the effect based on the viewing angle and distances.
There's a link there that explains how it's done, but I haven't checked that out yet. You might dig it.
I like the bowl of wontons.
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CommonCents Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:58:20am |
re: #186 NJDhockeyfan
Now that everyone is convinced that Putin isn't a saint, I wonder if he passed that info along in order to drag us into a situation similar to what Russia went thru with Afghanistan. A long drag on our resources. He's not a dumb guy.
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:58:22am |
re: #184 Spare O'Lake
Link to an anti-semitic comment I've updinged, Spare.
Until then? Piss off, hater.
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:00:07am |
re: #173 NJDhockeyfan
Not to mention Russian intelligence telling the US that an Iraq terrorist attack inside the US was imminent.
I have very little faith in our CIA and would be completely willing to blame for screwing uup the intel but since the germans, french and russians were all saying the same thing I have to give them a pass.
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idioma Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:00:36am |
re: #190 CommonCents
Now that everyone is convinced that Putin isn't a saint, I wonder if he passed that info along in order to drag us into a situation similar to what Russia went thru with Afghanistan. A long drag on our resources. He's not a dumb guy.
In his own words "Once a kgb man, always a kgb man." -Putin
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:00:47am |
re: #173 NJDhockeyfan
Not to mention Russian intelligence telling the US that an Iraq terrorist attack inside the US was imminent.
And there's the whole not honoring the terms of the first Gulf War cease fire thing.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:03:47am |
Pakistani Christian couple touches Qur‘an with dirty hands, gets 25 years in prison
A court in Kasur district, Punjab, convicted a Christian couple, Munir Masih and Ruqqiya Bibi, to 25 years in prison. According to the Centre for Legal Aid Assistance and Settlement (CLAAS), judge Ajmal Hussein convicted the couple for touching the Qur‘an without washing their hands.
Munir Masih and Ruqqiya Bibi were released on bail last January, but were re-arrested after the judge ruled against them. The husband was locked up in Kasur’s district prison; the wife was sent to the women’s prison in Multan. Both have started serving 25 years behind bars.
CLAAS, an association that fights for the rights of the poor and marginalised, said that the couple was accused of “contaminating” the Qur‘an when they touched it “without washing their hands”.
The incident, which dates back to December 2008, unleashed the fury of Muslim extremists who put pressure on police. Unconfirmed reports suggest that extremists paid off police agents to discover “new evidence” to justify the sentence.
At the end of the police investigation, husband and wife were charged with blasphemy.
Note to self: Do not go visit Saudi Arabia.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:05:09am |
re: #194 Mad Al-Jaffee
And there's the whole not honoring the terms of the first Gulf War cease fire thing.
Yes, another minor detail.
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idioma Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:06:55am |
re: #195 NJDhockeyfan
The First Amendment without a doubt is the most well-thought-out obstacle for these kinds of ridiculous laws. Too bad Saudi Arabia won't adopt a similar principle any time soon.
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idioma Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:09:23am |
re: #196 iceweasel
Back in a bit.
Still waiting for that link, Spare.
Don't hold your breath. First it requires finding a comment that is anti-semitic from me (that Charles decided not to delete for some reason) and has you in the upding pool.
It will be be a long long time, rocket man.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:10:18am |
Pirates hit Spanish fishing ship with RPG
Private security guards aboard a Spanish fishing trawler fought a gunbattle with Somali pirates on the Indian Ocean Thursday, as confrontations between mariners and brigands off the coast of Africa become more violent.The pirates hit the Albacan with a rocket-propelled grenade, causing a fire that was quickly extinguished, officials said. None of the 33 crew members or three guards was hurt. Three private guards aboard the Albacan fired back at the pirates, a ship's owners association said. The pirates fled.
They need to start sinking these boats every time they attack.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:12:17am |
AP Interview: Hamas spy unafraid, criticizes Islam
Mosab Hassan Yousef, who helped Israel's security forces kill and arrest members of the Islamic militant group Hamas, is probably marked for death.
He should be keeping silent. But he's got a story to tell, one he delivers in his new book published this week, "Son of Hamas."
"To be honest with you, being killed is not the worst thing that can happen," he said Wednesday in an interview with The Associated Press. "If they want to do kill me ... let them do it, and they will be responsible for my blood."
In his memoir, Yousef, the 32-year-old son of a Hamas founder, claims he was one of the Shin Bet security agency's best assets and was dubbed The Green Prince, a reference to his Hamas pedigree and the Islamists' signature green color.
During his 50-minute interview, for which he arrived with armed security, Yousef took shots at Hamas leaders including political chief Khaled Meshaal. He lashed out at Hamas, saying the organization lives in the Middle Ages.
And he hurled his most inflammatory comments at Islam, which he called a religion that teaches people to kill.
"It is not a religion of peace," said Yousef, who converted to Christianity. "The biggest terrorist is the God of the Quran. I know this is very dangerous and this will offend many people. The more you follow the steps of the prophet of Islam and the God of Islam, the more you get close to being a terrorist."
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idioma Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:14:04am |
re: #200 NJDhockeyfan
Pirates hit Spanish fishing ship with RPG
They need to start sinking these boats every time they attack.
No True Pirate would use an RPG! They'd use a cutlass and grappling hooks! Neptune[peas be upon him] willing, we should sink them for offending the flying spaghetti monster, RAmen.
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:14:47am |
re: #202 idioma
No True Pirate would use an RPG! They'd use a cutlass and grappling hooks! Neptune[peas be upon him] willing, we should sink them for offending the flying spaghetti monster, RAmen.
Real men use swords!
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oldegeezr Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:15:25am |
re: #190 CommonCents
BINGO…!
Not only that... Russia is playing a similar role in Iran against the US and Israel, [by supplying 3G ground to air radar and missiles] that we played in Afghanistan against Russia; by supplying the Mujahedeen with shoulder fired G to A weapons that downed many a Russian helicopter.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:15:37am |
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:15:50am |
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:16:51am |
re: #152 Ericus58
Once he rang that bell, pretty much the rest of his talking points and idea's just went away.
Notice who dinged me down?
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:16:52am |
Alaskan glacier melting rate was overestimated
The rate at which the Alaskan glaciers is receding was been largely overestimated by previous studies. In the last 40 years or so the mass lost from the glaciers in Alaska was not accurate, according to Erik Schiefer a geographer from Northern Arizona University and coauthor of a paper in the February issue of Nature Geoscience that reports the finding.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:17:00am |
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:18:53am |
re: #160 Ericus58
I almost thought I saw someone trying to talk... but I was mistaken.
GAZE is your friend, Eric.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:20:04am |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:20:37am |
re: #206 MandyManners
Unfortunately, it's par for the course.
I know. It just doesn't usually seem so prevalent in the morning news.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:22:42am |
Fucking dhimmis.
As the first newspaper to do so, Politiken has reached a settlement with descendants of the Prophet Muhammad in connection with the affront its reprint of drawings of the Prophet Muohammad in 2008 may have caused Muslims.
The settlement was reached between Politiken and eight organisations representing 94,923 descendants of the Prophet Muhammad in a move Politiken's Editor-in-Chief Tøger Seidenfaden says shows that dialogue is the way forward.
"The settlement looks ahead and expresses very sensible views. It may possibly reduce the tensions that have shown themselves to be so resilient. It gives us hope that relations between Denmark, and not least its media, and the Muslim world can be improved," Seidenfaden says, adding he does not believe Politiken's move is a freedom of speech sellout.
HASSAN CHOP
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:23:16am |
UAE 'still using child jockeys for camel races'
Camel racers in the United Arab Emirates are still using child jockeys in their meetings despite a ban, a human rights organisation says.
Anti-Slavery International has issued pictures of 10-year-olds riding camels at Abu Dhabi's prestigious 12-race competition on 9 February.
Children were officially banned from racing in 2005.
Racing officials said the young riders were Emirati children racing with their parents' consent.
Child jockeys were banned after it was revealed Emirati camel trainers and owners were bringing in hundreds of south Asian and African children to ride camels in races.
They were replaced with "robot jockeys" - mechanical arms that goaded the camels to run.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:23:17am |
re: #212 thedopefishlives
I know. It just doesn't usually seem so prevalent in the morning news.
It's just about always there.
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Locker Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:23:28am |
Morning all. Server is working (unfortunately), Jimmy Dean's is in the micro (fortunately) and I just got to read a nice quote from a favorite author (Aldous Huxley). 2 for 3 is a good start in my book... woops there goes the micro timer. brb.
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:24:01am |
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:25:15am |
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idioma Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:25:52am |
re: #175 Spare O'Lake
Bottom line:
Anyone who wishes for Israel to cease to exist, or who bemoans the inconvenience of her existence, is an anti-Semite.
Done.
BBL.
You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means.
"Antisemitism (also spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism) is prejudice against or hostility towards Jews, often rooted in hatred of their ethnic background, culture, or religion."
No mention of Israel there. If the cost of the conflict is large, are we compelled to hush, because someone might be offended? If I pointed to the fact that the US Civil war had a terrible cost, would you also claim I am racist against blacks?
I don't respect the superstitions of religious faith, does that fact specifically make me a "hater" of Jews? If so, then why?
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Locker Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:27:23am |
re: #213 MandyManners
Consequences shmonsequences as long as I'm rich.
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:27:27am |
re: #195 NJDhockeyfan
Pakistani Christian couple touches Qur‘an with dirty hands, gets 25 years in prison
Note to self: Do not go visit Saudi Arabia.
That's why I objected yesterday to labeling the nutty group in TX as the american-taliban. The tx group might be out-of-control and on the fringes of legality but there isn't any comparison to life under Saudi, Iranian, Taliban rule.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:27:46am |
re: #219 idioma
You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means.
"Antisemitism (also spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism) is prejudice against or hostility towards Jews, often rooted in hatred of their ethnic background, culture, or religion."
No mention of Israel there. If the cost of the conflict is large, are we compelled to hush, because someone might be offended? If I pointed to the fact that the US Civil war had a terrible cost, would you also claim I am racist against blacks?
I don't respect the superstitions of religious faith, does that fact specifically make me a "hater" of Jews? If so, then why?
Do you wish for Israel to cease to exist?
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MrSilverDragon Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:27:55am |
Good morning, y'all.
re: #220 Locker
Consequences shmonsequences as long as I'm rich.
I'm rich! I'm a happy miser!
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:28:04am |
Fariñas was in his home in Santa Clara, praying with visiting supporters, when he "suffered a strong pain in his chest and lost consciousness,'' said Licet Zamora Carrandi, who described herself as a spokeswoman.
SNIP
Fariñas was one of five Cuban dissidents -- the other four are in prison -- who launched hunger strikes last week to protest the death of jailed hunger striker Orlando Zapata and demand the release of all political prisoners. Fariñas also has called for the release of some two dozen political prisoners reported to be in ill health,
SNIP
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oldegeezr Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:28:17am |
re: #114 MandyManners
Little olde, “isn’t this deplorable gambit” to get you back into the mash pit.
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Locker Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:28:21am |
re: #221 RogueOne
That's why I objected yesterday to labeling the nutty group in TX as the american-taliban. The tx group might be out-of-control and on the fringes of legality but there isn't any comparison to life under Saudi, Iranian, Taliban rule.
That's because they aren't "ruling". I don't think there would be much difference if they were...
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:28:51am |
re: #221 RogueOne
That's why I objected yesterday to labeling the nutty group in TX as the american-taliban. The tx group might be out-of-control and on the fringes of legality but there isn't any comparison to life under Saudi, Iranian, Taliban rule.
Well, the Christian Dominionist are very much like those countries listed...
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Locker Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:29:41am |
re: #223 MrSilverDragon
Good morning, y'all.
I'm rich! I'm a happy miser!
Get back in there! DOWN, DOWN, DOWN! GO, GO, GO! MINE, MINE, MINE! Muahahahahaha!
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:29:55am |
re: #227 Varek Raith
Well, the Christian Dominionist are very much like those countries listed...
Except for the lashings, beheadings, and suicide bombers.
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Liberal Classic Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:29:57am |
re: #155 iceweasel
State Senator busted for DUI leaving a gay club, unidentified male companion with him
What is it with the toe-tapping guys, anyway? Cheeses me off. I'm mean, I think I could do a better job, but I'm thoroughly unelectable with my history of smoking, drinking, drugs, strippers, porn, loud music and fast cars. At least I'm honest about my vices.
W.C. Fields/ Mae West 2012
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SixDegrees Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:31:08am |
re: #221 RogueOne
That's why I objected yesterday to labeling the nutty group in TX as the american-taliban. The tx group might be out-of-control and on the fringes of legality but there isn't any comparison to life under Saudi, Iranian, Taliban rule.
No. But their goals are identical.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:31:15am |
The judges accepted the prosecution's claim, represented by Attorney Hila Gorni, which presented information that Saadat transfers messages to terrorist operatives from within the Israeli jail. Saadat is serving a 30-year prison sentence in Israel for his involvement in the assassination of former Tourism Minister Rehavam Ze'evi nine years ago.
SNIP
Fucking scum should never be allowed to breathe air in freedom again.
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:31:19am |
re: #229 NJDhockeyfan
Except for the lashings, beheadings, and suicide bombers.
They advocate the death penalty for gays, for talking back to your elders...
The only difference is that they don't have power.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:31:20am |
Dead pigs used to investigate 'dead zones'
There is a recent and rather macabre addition to the marine biologist's toolkit. Scientists in Canada are using the bodies of dead pigs, diverted from the butcher's shop, in their undersea laboratory.
By ending up in ocean experiments (rather than on the dinner table), the pigs have provided scientists with some intriguing new data.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:31:37am |
re: #219 idioma
i'm replying to more questions back on yesterday's thread...it might be a more peaceful place to continue our discussion. let me know if you want me to reply somewhere else.
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laZardo Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:31:42am |
Evening honcos. Any reason to see any hope in humanity right now?
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Locker Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:33:16am |
re: #230 Liberal Classic
What is it with the toe-tapping guys, anyway? Cheeses me off. I'm mean, I think I could do a better job, but I'm thoroughly unelectable with my history of smoking, drinking, drugs, strippers, porn, loud music and fast cars. At least I'm honest about my vices.
W.C. Fields/ Mae West 2012
Oh my god that's hilarious! Faces is right down the block and we party there all the time. Not really a gay club, just a night club that's popular with the gay peeps. In fact, I remember a certain night where a certain SEIU thug's wife had too much tequila and had to ride home with her head out the window. Muahahaha!
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:33:27am |
re: #233 Varek Raith
They advocate the death penalty for gays, for talking back to your elders...
The only difference is that they don't have power.
The only difference is that they don't behead no-believers or suit up their children in bomb vests and send them to pizza parlors full of children.
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idioma Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:33:37am |
re: #222 NJDhockeyfan
Do you wish for Israel to cease to exist?
I wish for the conflict between Israel and Islam to cease, before nuclear arms are involved. Both sides are heavily motivated by faith (yes, I know there are other factors, but still), sooner or later there is going to be a mass killing, which will lead to a response of... more mass killing. Is it worth it? For either side, is it really worth it? The answer is no. No it is not worth it, in this life. But when you tack on some afterlife to it, suddenly the fight is back on.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:34:12am |
We meet in New York on the day his new book, Son of Hamas, is published in the country he fled to a few years ago.
Before we start our interview, a burly man in his entourage asks his own question.
I take him for a bodyguard, possibly an Israeli. "Could we say our prayers first?" he asks our BBC team.
And then, they bow their heads in Christian prayer asking for God's blessing.
SNIP
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MrSilverDragon Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:34:17am |
re: #155 iceweasel
State Senator busted for DUI leaving a gay club, unidentified male companion with him
I don't care where he's coming from, I don't care who he's leaving with, I only care about the DUI, that's the worst part about this whole thing. Just my $.02.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:34:22am |
re: #239 idioma
I wish for the conflict between Israel and Islam to cease, before nuclear arms are involved. Both sides are heavily motivated by faith (yes, I know there are other factors, but still), sooner or later there is going to be a mass killing, which will lead to a response of... more mass killing. Is it worth it? For either side, is it really worth it? The answer is no. No it is not worth it, in this life. But when you tack on some afterlife to it, suddenly the fight is back on.
And this is Israels fault how?
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Locker Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:34:31am |
re: #236 laZardo
Evening honcos. Any reason to see any hope in humanity right now?
I've got two words for you... Chocolate Cannoli. That's hope enough for me right there ;)
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:34:57am |
re: #236 laZardo
Evening honcos. Any reason to see any hope in humanity right now?
Yeah, I have two gigs this weekend and the one hour Office special is on tonight!
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Locker Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:35:06am |
re: #238 NJDhockeyfan
The only difference is that they don't behead no-believers or suit up their children in bomb vests and send them to pizza parlors full of children.
Right they just shoot abortion doctors in church. Sorry man but couldn't lay off that one.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:35:23am |
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MrSilverDragon Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:35:25am |
re: #243 Locker
I've got two words for you... Chocolate Cannoli. That's hope enough for me right there ;)
Curse you! Now I want one! CURSES!
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:35:53am |
re: #239 idioma
Look, so far I've been ignoring the fight that's been running in this thread, but I do have to chip in here. You're dodging the question. A simple yes or no would suffice.
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Liberal Classic Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:36:11am |
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:37:14am |
re: #238 NJDhockeyfan
The only difference is that they don't behead no-believers or suit up their children in bomb vests and send them to pizza parlors full of children.
What about the fact that they want the death penalty for gay? And those who talk back? Gee, I'm sure they'd be real accepting of my atheism. They are both the same peas in a pod.
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Eclectic Infidel Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:37:20am |
re: #9 freetoken
It was a faux trailer made in 2007, but it turns out so many people gave it attention that it was decided to go ahead and make the movie:
MacheteHowever, I doubt it will really be rated X as the fake trailer alleged.
This is the first I've heard of it. It's great that it's going to be a movie - I loved the faux trailer for it. "They f*cked with the wrong Mexican!" Kick ass.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:38:07am |
re: #245 Locker
Right they just shoot abortion doctors in church. Sorry man but couldn't lay off that one.
Really? That was one guy. One nut shoots a doctor and you compare that to the thousands of attacks by islamic terrorists resulting in tens of thousands of deaths?
I know you are scared of Bibles but come on, be realistic.
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idioma Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:38:17am |
re: #242 NJDhockeyfan
And this is Israels fault how?
Conflict requires a minimum of two participants. How much longer should the fighting continue?
When an irresistible force encounters an immovable object do you know what happens?
You find out which one is mislabeled. How much longer should the world wait? This is a dangerous and expensive political experiment.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:38:20am |
re: #80 freetoken
Your link ought to end in "watch?v=q_JnyN1ajYw".
Your link has a referenced video, and includes the string "watch#!" which is I think a no-no. Your string after the youtube url is "/watch#!videos=q6_DzjkeD7M&v=q_JnyN1ajYw" which is not a simple video link. Did you cut the address from somewhere else?
Late answer: No, straight from YouTube. As I said, I've been getting this problem a lot lately - even songs that I've successfully linked here before don't do the little "box" conversion anymore. YouTube has definitely changed something.
I guess I need a course in URL surgery.
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Locker Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:38:33am |
re: #249 Liberal Classic
Bingo my ass. I bingoed seven posts before him and I want my toaster oven bingo prize damn it!
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laZardo Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:39:36am |
re: #251 eclectic infidel
Danny Trejo FTW. Still need to see Inglorious Basterds.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:39:56am |
re: #251 eclectic infidel
This is the first I've heard of it. It's great that it's going to be a movie - I loved the faux trailer for it. "They f*cked with the wrong Mexican!" Kick ass.
Danny Trejo rocks. There's a really good documentary about him called Champion. He knew Edward Bunker in prison and Bunker helped him get into acting.
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Locker Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:39:57am |
re: #252 NJDhockeyfan
Really? That was one guy. One nut shoots a doctor and you compare that to the thousands of attacks by islamic terrorists resulting in tens of thousands of deaths?
I know you are scared of Bibles but come on, be realistic.
Well I don't really think that the leaders of these target countries are suiting up their children and sending them into their own pizza parlors either but since we were discussing violence based on faith I figured I'd throw it in there. It's not like that guy (doctor shooter) doesn't have tons of supporters who praise and approve of what he did.
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MrSilverDragon Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:40:19am |
re: #256 laZardo
Danny Trejo FTW. Still need to see Inglorious Basterds.
You will not be disappointed, in my opinion. That was a fantastic movie.
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:40:26am |
The passenger was about to get on the flight to Islamabad when she was selected at random to pass through the controversial security screen at Manchester Airport.
She was warned she would not be allowed to board the Pakistan International Airlines flight if she did not comply with the request — but she decided to forfeit her ticket.
Her female travelling companion also left the airport after she cited "medical reasons" for not wanting to go through the scanner.
More than 15,000 people have already passed through the £80,000 Rapiscan machine at the airport's Terminal 2. The Government introduced the scanner at Heathrow and Manchester airports last month.
SNIP
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:41:07am |
re: #253 idioma
Conflict requires a minimum of two participants. How much longer should the fighting continue?
When an irresistible force encounters an immovable object do you know what happens?
You find out which one is mislabeled. How much longer should the world wait? This is a dangerous and expensive political experiment.
Israel is surrounded by enemies who constantly threaten and attack them. What are they supposed to do, lay down their arms and die with dignity?
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ShaunP Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:41:23am |
re: #241 MrSilverDragon
I don't care where he's coming from, I don't care who he's leaving with, I only care about the DUI, that's the worst part about this whole thing. Just my $.02.
Aside from the DUI, I think the hypocracy this guy displayed being a "family values" republican is equally disturbing...
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:41:59am |
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:42:23am |
re: #175 Spare O'Lake
1 down for an all too broad definition.
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idioma Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:43:05am |
re: #248 thedopefishlives
Look, so far I've been ignoring the fight that's been running in this thread, but I do have to chip in here. You're dodging the question. A simple yes or no would suffice.
NO: I don't want Israel to cease to exist.
But unless something drastic happens soon, an Arab nuclear weapon is going to find it's way into Israel, and that is not an outcome anyone should find favorable. Millions will die, and the potential for a global war is very high. All of this is over 8,000 sq miles of desert. This is highly unfortunate.
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MrSilverDragon Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:43:27am |
re: #262 ShaunP
Aside from the DUI, I think the hypocracy this guy displayed being a "family values" republican is equally disturbing...
Being hypocritical is a bad thing, yes. I agree with that, but there's minimal chance someone I care about being killed in an accident because of it.
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:43:43am |
re: #265 idioma
And how would you suggest this be averted?
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MrSilverDragon Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:44:35am |
re: #266 MrSilverDragon
Being hypocritical is a bad thing, yes. I agree with that, but there's minimal chance someone I care
about beingwill be killed in an accident because of it.
I are good grammer!
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Liberal Classic Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:44:47am |
re: #255 Locker
Sorry, man. As a consolation prize I updinged your post about chocolate cannoli.
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:44:49am |
re: #250 Varek Raith
What about the fact that they want the death penalty for gay? And those who talk back? Gee, I'm sure they'd be real accepting of my atheism. They are both the same peas in a pod.
BTW, for all those saying "Well, let's not call them the American Taliban because they don't behead people" I'd like to remind everyone that Scott Roeder, Army of God member and murderer of Dr Tiller, initially planned to 'just' cut off Tiller's arms with a machete.
He later decided murder was the only solution because, left alive and mutilated, Tiller could still talk to and train other doctors.
(info on first page of that link, see footnote one for Roeder's own words as well).
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Locker Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:45:03am |
re: #261 NJDhockeyfan
Israel is surrounded by enemies who constantly threaten and attack them. What are they supposed to do, lay down their arms and die with dignity?
He didn't say that and he didn't say it was Israel's fault either. I find this black and white stuff hard to accept. One side is not endowed with infallibility by some deity while the other is spawn of hell. They are all people who want basically the same things (life, children, security, etc). Marginalizing an entire people or dehumanizing them is a mistake.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:45:13am |
re: #263 MandyManners
Two different interviews?
I think so, an AP interview and a BBC interview. He must be on a book signing tour. I hope he stays safe on his journey.
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idioma Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:46:06am |
re: #261 NJDhockeyfan
Israel is surrounded by enemies who constantly threaten and attack them. What are they supposed to do, lay down their arms and die with dignity?
Of course not! Don't be foolish. Conversely do you expect the Arab world to just forget about that strip of land?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:46:07am |
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:46:46am |
ROPMA.
Nujood is a Yemeni girl, and it’s no coincidence that Yemen abounds both in child brides and in terrorists (and now, thanks to Nujood, children who have been divorced). Societies that repress women tend to be prone to violence.
For Nujood, the nightmare began at age 10 when her family told her that she would be marrying a deliveryman in his 30s. Although Nujood’s mother was unhappy, she did not protest. “In our country it’s the men who give the orders, and the women who follow them,” Nujood writes in a powerful new autobiography just published in the United States this week, “I Am Nujood, Age 10 and Divorced.”
Her new husband forced her to drop out of school (she was in the second grade) because a married woman shouldn’t be a student. At her wedding, Nujood sat in the corner, her face swollen from crying.
Nujood’s father asked the husband not to touch her until a year after she had had her first menstrual period. But as soon as they were married, she writes, her husband forced himself on her.
He soon began to beat her as well, the memoir says, and her new mother-in-law offered no sympathy. “Hit her even harder,” the mother-in-law would tell her son.
SNIP
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:47:03am |
re: #239 idioma
I disagree with you often. But this morning you have taken some unfair shots. And you make a frighteningly valid point about the massive deaths likely from a missile war. One can oppose Israel policy without being anti semitic, of course. Spare is over the top this time.
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ShaunP Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:49:32am |
re: #266 MrSilverDragon
Being hypocritical is a bad thing, yes. I agree with that, but there's minimal chance someone I care about being killed in an accident because of it.
Oh, I agree. This guy needs to have the book thrown at him and I'm not dismissing the seriousness of driving under the influence. It just really upsets me that there are people like him out there that loathe themselves so much that they need to deny equal treatment to an entire swath of people just like himself...
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:50:21am |
BOOGA. BOOGA.
Israelis have always been forbidden from traveling to the United Arab Emirates on their passports, but dual-nationals could use their alternative passport to enter the country. Lt. Gen Dahi Khalfan Tamim said that now travelers suspected of being Israeli will not be allowed into the Gulf country even if they arrive on another passport. The Emirates will “deny entry to anyone suspected of having Israeli citizenship,” Tamim said.
SNIP
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garhighway Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:50:48am |
re: #238 NJDhockeyfan
The only difference is that they don't behead no-believers or suit up their children in bomb vests and send them to pizza parlors full of children.
Yet.
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lawhawk Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:50:50am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Paterson's political career continues to circle the drain as the NYC media is camped out in Albany waiting for new developments like a bunch of turkey vultures circling carrion. Paterson btw is in NYC today, but that doesn't mean developments aren't taking place in Albany as AG Cuomo, Albany County DA Soares start investigations into Paterson lying under oath about receipt and payment of Yankee tickets, which he apparently backdated a check in payment.
The budget remains a mess.
Meanwhile, Toyota's massive recall and fixes for the sudden acceleration issues don't appear to have fixed the problem as some drivers complain that they're still having issues. It also raises questions about the NHTSA oversight of the auto industry and how it evaluates car safety and recalls - along with the fixes.
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:51:46am |
re: #277 ShaunP
Oh, I agree. This guy needs to have the book thrown at him and I'm not dismissing the seriousness of driving under the influence. It just really upsets me that there are people like him out there that loathe themselves so much that they need to deny equal treatment to an entire swath of people just like himself...
I don't even especially care about his sex life even if he is a family values GOPer, BUT if he's closeted AND voting against gay rights legislation, THEN I most definitely have an issue.
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:52:05am |
re: #226 Locker
re: #227 Varek Raith
There is a difference not only in the religious objections but a difference in consequences for violating the rules of their religion. For one, there is no such thing as "free will" in Islam. For another, there is a difference in wanting to jail someone for swinging and homosexuality and cutting off their heads or hanging them in the public square. One is wrong and the other is horrendous.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:52:07am |
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MandyManners Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:52:45am |
Sohail Saeed, from Greater Manchester, was taken in the early hours of this morning on the last day of a three week trip to visit his sick grandmother in Punjab. A gang broke into the family house in Jehlum and tortured his father Raja Naqqash Saeed for five hours. They demanded a ransom of £100,000, which the family says it has "no chance" of raising.
Akila Naqqash, 31, the child’s mother, who was not on the trip, was told of the kidnap in a phone call in the early hours after her husband rang his brother in the UK. Speaking from the family's terraced home in Oldham with relatives at her side she made an emotional plea for her only son's return.
SNIP
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:54:22am |
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Locker Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:54:25am |
re: #282 RogueOne
re: #227 Varek Raith
There is a difference not only in the religious objections but a difference in consequences for violating the rules of their religion. For one, there is no such thing as "free will" in Islam. For another, there is a difference in wanting to jail someone for swinging and homosexuality and cutting off their heads or hanging them in the public square. One is wrong and the other is horrendous.
I submit that the texas taliban wants the exact same thing. They want zero free will and they would hang or behead those they perceive to be unclean if it was socially acceptable to say it out loud. Violence against gays, abortion doctors, etc is well documented in this country and is not an isolated idea.
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lawhawk Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:54:31am |
re: #278 MandyManners
Good luck with that - it's not like Israel needs to go into Dubai if they got their man (if that's indeed who was behind the takeout of the Hamas terror master).
They're spending more time going after perceived Mossad ghosts than they are in going and thwarting terror groups like Hamas from operating in the country.
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:55:03am |
re: #219 idioma
You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means.
"Antisemitism (also spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism) is prejudice against or hostility towards Jews, often rooted in hatred of their ethnic background, culture, or religion."
No mention of Israel there. If the cost of the conflict is large, are we compelled to hush, because someone might be offended? If I pointed to the fact that the US Civil war had a terrible cost, would you also claim I am racist against blacks?
I don't respect the superstitions of religious faith, does that fact specifically make me a "hater" of Jews? If so, then why?
If you think that the only way to end the Middle East conflict is for Israel to cease to exist, then yes, you *are* an anti-Semite.
Although, I think you are just an asshole.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:55:04am |
re: #276 Rightwingconspirator
Hell, it would be pretty frightening if all Israeli's agreed 100% with Israeli policies.
However, I think Israel is in a no-win situation. Every move they make has the potential to cause calamity. I literally can't think of a single they could do that has a certainty of success-- it's all massive gambles. It's frightening as hell.
We in the United States, with secure borders, a population that (from the late 60's up until now, anyway) was disinclined to mass unrest, is so unlike Israel I think it's hard for most of us to imagine.
The best solution for the Palestinians, and therefore for Israel, comes from outside Israel, from the Muslim world accepting its existence, drawing back, and providing homes-- perhaps even actual territory-- for the Palestinians.
However, most Arab governments are corrupt as hell, not to mention grappling with a very strong conservative religious movement from within. So the Arab states continue to make sure the Palestinians are fucked as hell.
I think that the solution lies with the Arab states, not with Israel, because of the impossibility of clearly seeing a way forwards from Israel's position.
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:55:09am |
re: #282 RogueOne
Uh, Christian Dominionists want to execute gays and people who disrespect their elders, among others. Sorry, they're of the same mind set.
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Eclectic Infidel Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:56:28am |
re: #265 idioma
NO: I don't want Israel to cease to exist.
But unless something drastic happens soon, an Arab nuclear weapon is going to find it's way into Israel, and that is not an outcome anyone should find favorable. Millions will die, and the potential for a global war is very high. All of this is over 8,000 sq miles of desert. This is highly unfortunate.
Israel won't let that happen and I'm confident the state will act with or without the blessing of this current administration, even if it means flying over Iraq w/o permission. If push comes to shove, I sincerely hope that Israel would give Washington the finger and do what they need to do to survive.
I know you want everyone in the ME to just "get along," and Israel has continually tried to do just that, only to be ignored time and time again. The Oslo Accords failed because Arafat wasn't serious about peace. In the not too distant past, Olmert made a sweet offer to Abas, only to have the guy walk out of the room and refuse to even make a counteroffer, something that Arafat did before him. In order for peace to exist in the region, at the very least, there has to be two partners who actually want that. Israel stands alone in that regard, because while Hamas and Fatah battle it out among themselves, who should lead the Palestinians, the rest of the Arab nations turn away without a care in the world, and Israel still has the duty to protect herself, for which she is constantly derided for having the audacity to do so.
The situation is a mess, but it is also nuanced, complex, and it will continue to be a stalemate until Palestinian leadership actually, genuinely, wants peace.
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:57:57am |
re: #287 Locker
I submit that the texas taliban wants the exact same thing. They want zero free will and they would hang or behead those they perceive to be unclean if it was socially acceptable to say it out loud. Violence against gays, abortion doctors, etc is well documented in this country and is not an isolated idea.
Nor is it widespread. I'm sure you're right that there are people out there that want gays and abortion doctors to die but that belief isn't anywhere close to the reality of their religion. One religion says you're going to hell for misbehavior and the other says their adherents have to send you there. That is a big, big difference.
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lawhawk Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:58:11am |
Some are warning that election strife in Iraq may lead to complications in US withdrawals from Iraq.
How about the corollary: that the election strife is the result of the impending withdrawals and that refusing to provide a stable backdrop is encouraging extremists to act now to not only strengthen their position politically, but via means of violence.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:58:29am |
re: #290 Obdicut
For that matter, the Israelis have offered the people commonly referred to as Palestinians land of their own and even voting rights as Israeli citizens, if they want it. Really, the burden at the moment rests on the people commonly referred to as Palestinians and the Arab nations from whence they came to work things out. Historically, they haven't even been willing to approach the negotiating table except for a temporary hudna.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:58:47am |
re: #289 Alouette
Or just not thinking things through. He's right that there's two parties. He even acknowledges that the other party isn't the Palestinians, but the Arab world.
Why he dismisses the possibility of the Arab world being the ones to act, I don't know. I often find this point of view represents an underlying racism or culturalism-- a belief that those crazy Arabs just can't possibly be less aggressive than they are now.
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Eclectic Infidel Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:58:55am |
re: #273 idioma
Of course not! Don't be foolish. Conversely do you expect the Arab world to just forget about that strip of land?
The Arab world already has. The Arab world has single-handedly created the world's largest refugee population in Gaza. Instead of promoting responsible leadership, they pump money into the various terrorist factions there, hellbent on murdering Jews.
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:59:00am |
re: #294 RogueOne
Nor is it widespread. I'm sure you're right that there are people out there that want gays and abortion doctors to die but that belief isn't anywhere close to the reality of their religion. One religion says you're going to hell for misbehavior and the other says their adherents have to send you there. That is a big, big difference.
Heh, either way, I go to hell...nice.
..atheists go to hell, correct?
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:59:20am |
re: #291 Varek Raith
Uh, Christian Dominionists want to execute gays and people who disrespect their elders, among others. Sorry, they're of the same mind set.
Tell you what, take a quick tour around the ME and then come back and tell me they're all the same.
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 4, 2010 6:59:59am |
re: #299 Varek Raith
Heh, either way, I go to hell...nice.
..atheists go to hell, correct?
yes we do. Although if you mention your non-belief while visiting SA you might get there quicker than you'd like.
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lawhawk Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:00:18am |
re: #290 Obdicut
The longstanding joke about Israelis is if you ask two Israelis to discuss politics, you get three opinions.
Most Israelis are consigned to the current state of affairs with the Palestinians and just hope that the terror attacks are kept to a minimum. Significant military action requires mobilization of the Israeli reserves, which disrupts the economy of a country whose population is smaller than that of NYC.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:00:31am |
re: #300 RogueOne
Tell you what, take a quick tour around the ME and then come back and tell me they're all the same.
The main difference is that the Dominionists are currently too far in the minority to act out on their impulses without getting the book thrown at them. If they ran this country, you and I both know exactly what they'd set about doing.
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ryannon Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:01:03am |
re: #273 idioma
Of course not! Don't be foolish. Conversely do you expect the Arab world to just forget about that strip of land?
Yes. If not, what exactly is the nature of their obsession over it? Is it intimately connected to their history, their economy or their territorial safety?
And by the 'Arab World' I suppose you're including Pakistan, Indonesia, Iran and the Gulf States. Why shouldn't they forget about it? What vested interest do they have in not forgetting about it?
I think your logic is totally specious.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:01:04am |
re: #301 RogueOne
Saudi Arabia are, and have been, our allies for a long time now. This has been constant from administration to administration. Any talk of invading Iraq for human rights reasons, to me, is made laughable by the fact that Saudi Arabia are our allies.
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laZardo Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:02:03am |
re: #299 Varek Raith
"Believe in nothing and you shall get it in abundance." - some guy that flounced a long time back
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:03:12am |
re: #300 RogueOne
Tell you what, take a quick tour around the ME and then come back and tell me they're all the same.
Tell you what, I criticize all religious based bullshit. I can just as easily criticize any religion on the face of the planet. I don't care who I offend, in this regard.
Oy, the militant atheist monster inside me is beginning to awake...
Sorry about that.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:04:25am |
re: #299 Varek Raith
Heh, either way, I go to hell...nice.
..atheists go to hell, correct?
If you don't believe in Heaven or Hell how can you go to Hell?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:04:49am |
The more I read about University of Maryland students, the more embarrassed I am to admit I went there.
[Link: www.diamondbackonline.com...]
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MrSilverDragon Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:04:58am |
re: #308 NJDhockeyfan
If you don't believe in Heaven or Hell how can you go to Hell?
Simple. Its other name is "South Jersey".
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:05:14am |
re: #308 NJDhockeyfan
If you don't believe in Heaven or Hell how can you go to Hell?
You tell me! I get told that, occasionally. I'm like, huh???
;)
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:05:54am |
re: #303 thedopefishlives
The main difference is that the Dominionists are currently too far in the minority to act out on their impulses without getting the book thrown at them. If they ran this country, you and I both know exactly what they'd set about doing.
I don't disagree that they'd like the nation run by the rule of their god as described by their bible but show me where they want to stone their children for backtalking or hang homosexuals in the town square and I'll buy it. No where in their religion does Jesus say "kill the unbelievers".
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:06:07am |
re: #273 idioma
Of course not! Don't be foolish. Conversely do you expect the Arab world to just forget about that strip of land?
Actually, yeah. Considering how much land they control which is exclusively theirs, it's really kind of trivial to seethe so much over such a tiny area.
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Spider Mensch Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:06:34am |
re: #306 laZardo
"Believe in nothing and you shall get it in abundance." - some guy that flounced a long time back
"..yeah, well sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand..."
Paul Newman, Cool hand Luke
/watched it last night :)
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:08:21am |
re: #312 RogueOne
I don't disagree that they'd like the nation run by the rule of their god as described by their bible but show me where they want to stone their children for backtalking or hang homosexuals in the town square and I'll buy it. No where in their religion does Jesus say "kill the unbelievers".
For normal Christians like me, no, it doesn't. But when it comes to these nutjobs, apparently they think they're God's executioners, and they intend to ban immoral practices and institute the death penalty for all who go against their laws. It's a common theme; it's how the despicable slime were able to justify the killing of Dr. Tiller.
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:09:50am |
BTW, not calling out anyone in particular, but why the hell is idioma's post about the TX ultrasound prop downdinged? at around 112.
That's certainly big news, and apart from dislike for her I can't understand why people are downdinging it, especially as I've had many conversations with many people here about similar ultrasound legislation in OK among other states, and my impression from that (and other convos others have had) is that the vast majority of people here, even if they're anti-abortion, consider that legislation way over the line.
Just sayin.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:11:09am |
re: #318 iceweasel
That sonogram law is utter fucking bullshit. It's just being assholes to women.
Upding given. Thank you for pointing that out.
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Liberal Classic Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:11:48am |
re: #294 RogueOne
You need not defend your religion. It really doesn't matter than your interpretation of your faith does not include the death penalties for sinners. The problem does not lie with faith, the problem lies with religious governance. The problem is under theocractic rule there is no standard of human behavior that is "good enough". Simply adequate never measures up to perfection, and so there will always be this pressure to push for more rules and stronger laws enforcing moral behavior. There is a history of religious persecution and violence in this country, and it can "happen here". The only thing stopping it from happening here is a tradition of secularism that makes acceptable different standards of behavior. There are some who claim this is "moral relativism" but in reality it is simply a general agreement that the laws we have are "good enough for government work" and constitute standard by which a reasonable person may be judged by his peers. Without our tradition of secularism, Christian puritan ethic could run amok just as easily as Islamic puritanism.
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:11:59am |
re: #319 Obdicut
That sonogram law is utter fucking bullshit. It's just being assholes to women.
Upding given. Thank you for pointing that out.
Seconded.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:12:20am |
re: #91 idioma
Cato is a racist! Don't listen to him!///
It's easier to dismiss someone's ideas once you've labeled them unfairly.
I've been following this blog for awhile now, and I know you can do better than that.
Yes, I can, but you're not gonna like it.
You asked on yesterday's thread, "Where is the Jew-hatred?", when I called you a straight up anti-Semite. Here's my answer.
Let's start with the fact that you don't think the Jewish people deserve a homeland, and you believe they should all just move from Israel to another country - preferably a nice uninhabited one. Then move on to your total lack of historical knowledge about the continual presence of Jews in their ancestral lands from Biblical times down through the Roman occupation/destruction and renaming of Israel as "Palestine" (a Roman invention of which I, as an old Roman, am particularly ashamed), to the present day. Add in your abysmal ignorance about the Zionist movement (secular/socialist in nature) and the situation faced by the Jewish refugees after WWII, your totally unfounded notion that the conflict with the Arabs was ever essentially a religious one, your repeated implicit suggestion that the impasse is essentially the fault of the Jews, and your general lack of sympathy for people who have only ever wanted a slice of land where they could live securely with their neighbors and fellow non-Jewish citizens, and...you get the idea. We can take it from there.
Tell you what. Go read Alan Dershowitz's "The Case for Israel" and then get back to us. He's a secular Jew and smarter than you and I rolled together. Subtract me and he's smarter than a hundred of you. Or, if you're not a big reader, an assumption I think it's safe to make, go watch "Exodus" - a great movie and historically accurate. Pay particular attention to what happens after the UN votes on the partition of Palestine. See what the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem orders to be done to Arabs who are friendly with their Jewish neighbors. He was known as Hitler's Mufti for a reason - they shared common goals. Note how the Arab village that was ordered to attack Gan Dafna is deserted when the Jews with the eight guns not confiscated by the British enter to prevent the attack. That's because the "Palestinian" Arabs were ordered to evacuate so the armies from the neighboring Arab states could wipe out the Jews without accidentally shooting their cousins, something Arab marksmen are notorious for to this day. That was the origin of the "refugee crisis". Then come back and give us your atheofascist views on the Israel question again. Still think they ought to evacuate to oblige Iran?
Note: As a plus, the movie stars Paul Newman, that rabid religious nutjob. You even get to see him without a shirt on.
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lawhawk Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:12:29am |
re: #305 Obdicut
Saudi Arabia are, and have been, our allies for a long time now. This has been constant from administration to administration. Any talk of invading Iraq for human rights reasons, to me, is made laughable by the fact that Saudi Arabia are our allies.
Saudis didn't engage in ethnic cleansing and genocide. Saddam did.
The mass graves are proof of that. The Anfal campaign is proof of that.
The Saudis own woeful human rights record is a gold standard by comparison. It's not even the same ballpark. It's not even the same sport.
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badger1970 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:12:39am |
Good morning and a truism quote if I ever saw one.
It sees the rabid Amarillo Armadillos is still a hot topic.
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:14:13am |
re: #319 Obdicut
That sonogram law is utter fucking bullshit. It's just being assholes to women.
Upding given. Thank you for pointing that out.
It stinks to high heaven. I wish I'd checked up on that prop myself, earlier. There have been several similar laws in other states, at least some of which have even specified a script for the doctor to follow, and I think this old article states it well:
But what if a woman doesn't want an ultrasound, and there's no pressing clinical reason for her to have it? Four states—Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, and Oklahoma—have taken the galling step of requiring her to have one regardless of need. They recently passed laws that go beyond offering ultrasounds to mandating them. Oklahoma's new statute dictates that either the doctor performing the abortion or a "certified technician working in conjunction" with that doctor do the ultrasound, "provide a simultaneous explanation of what the ultrasound is depicting," and also "display the ultrasound images so that the pregnant woman may view them." The law goes so far as to specify the doctor's script: The physician must describe the heartbeat and the presence of internal organs, fingers, and toes. The patient then has to certify in writing that the doctor or technician duly did all of this before the abortion. She can avert her eyes from the screen, the statute allows. Maybe the legislators should have also thought to mention putting her hands over her ears.
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laZardo Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:15:43am |
re: #317 NJDhockeyfan
New York loves to reflect on itself, and the city’s scholars say the core of its political problems is one that haunts old Democratic bastions everywhere: The old, vibrant, flawed Democratic machines have collapsed, but they haven’t really been replaced by anything.
There's a joke about the "Empire State of mind" somewhere...
/these streets will make you feel brand new, big lights will inspire you~
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reine.de.tout Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:17:42am |
re: #322 Cato the Elder
May I add:
For anyone who doesn't want to go read any actual books, may I suggest Nekama's Troll Hammer.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:17:49am |
re: #265 idioma
more stuff back on the "how can Ace live with Bible Verse X" thread, when you're ready!
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:17:58am |
re: #323 lawhawk
I disagree utterly. First of all, Saudi Arabia puts a huge number of people to death, for utterly trivial offenses, second of all they have nearly complete oppression of women in a way that Iraq did not have, and third of all they have virtual slavery.
I have no idea why you're willing to dismiss the massive human rights abuses of Saudi Arabia because they don't involve as much killing-- though they still involve plenty of killing. It's a terrible, semi-theocratic dictatorship with virtually no freedom.
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:17:59am |
re: #305 Obdicut
Saudi Arabia are, and have been, our allies for a long time now. This has been constant from administration to administration. Any talk of invading Iraq for human rights reasons, to me, is made laughable by the fact that Saudi Arabia are our allies.
Maybe because you've never been to either place? I agree that the ruling family in SA is as corrupt as they come and the sharia law in place if pretty horrific but their citizens are still able to travel, go to school, buy property, and raise their families without worrying that someone was going to get tossed into a wood chipper.
I don't have any problem with pushing SA in the right direction, the problem is the major majority of the people there like it like it is.
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:18:42am |
re: #307 Varek Raith
Tell you what, I criticize all religious based bullshit. I can just as easily criticize any religion on the face of the planet. I don't care who I offend, in this regard.
Oy, the militant atheist monster inside me is beginning to awake...
Sorry about that.
I don't have a problem with that stance. My only contention is there are varying degrees of evil and the taliban is tops on the list.
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:18:54am |
re: #308 NJDhockeyfan
If you don't believe in Heaven or Hell how can you go to Hell?
Get married twice.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:19:29am |
re: #325 iceweasel
Yesterday I decided (unilaterally of course - it's the dictatorship of Aceofwhat over here in my office) that the only way this bill could stand is if the errant father was required to receive a thorough prostate exam at the same time.
I predict condom use to increase 24,659%.
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:19:43am |
re: #332 RogueOne
I don't have a problem with that stance. My only contention is there are varying degrees of evil and the taliban is tops on the list.
Okay, I fully understand and accept that.
:)
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Liberal Classic Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:19:48am |
re: #324 badger1970
It sees the rabid Amarillo Armadillos is still a hot topic.
Repent Amarillo would consider Hot Topic a demonically-based store.
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lawhawk Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:20:14am |
re: #330 Obdicut
Where do you get that I discount the massive human rights abuses?
You were comparing Iraq - where estimates vary from 100,000 on up to 300,000 were murdered in a systematic ethnic cleansing and genocide.
Do you have any comparable numbers of Saudis killed for religious crimes or tortured or otherwise violated? I'm simply pointing out that your comparison is flawed. Saddam's Iraq was the far more heinous abuser of human rights. It doesn't excuse Saudi abuses.
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oldegeezr Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:21:14am |
re: #305 Obdicut
Allies…much better than that, first cousins!
Two plane loads of Saudi princes, their courtesans and harems, were the only commercial aircraft cleared to fly through and out of US airspace 24 hours after 911…!
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:23:00am |
re: #316 thedopefishlives
For normal Christians like me, no, it doesn't. But when it comes to these nutjobs, apparently they think they're God's executioners, and they intend to ban immoral practices and institute the death penalty for all who go against their laws. It's a common theme; it's how the despicable slime were able to justify the killing of Dr. Tiller.
Yep. I see plenty of instances where Jesus tells me how to behave.
Can't seem to find a single passage where He tells me to go impose my own little Sharia on everyone else.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:23:25am |
re: #331 RogueOne
I agree that the ruling family in SA is as corrupt as they come and the sharia law in place if pretty horrific but their citizens are still able to travel, go to school, buy property, and raise their families without worrying that someone was going to get tossed into a wood chipper.
The women can't. Is that not a problem?
If your neighbor accuses you of 'sorcery', you can get stoned to death. You don't think they don't worry about that?
Saudi Arabia executes 'criminals' who are under the age of eighteen.
If the property you own happens to be a printing press critical of the government, you will get hauled away, beaten, and probably thrown in jail.
It is a terrible regime.
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:23:51am |
re: #320 Liberal Classic
You need not defend your religion. It really doesn't matter than your interpretation of your faith does not include the death penalties for sinners. The problem does not lie with faith, the problem lies with religious governance. The problem is under theocractic rule there is no standard of human behavior that is "good enough". Simply adequate never measures up to perfection, and so there will always be this pressure to push for more rules and stronger laws enforcing moral behavior. There is a history of religious persecution and violence in this country, and it can "happen here". The only thing stopping it from happening here is a tradition of secularism that makes acceptable different standards of behavior. There are some who claim this is "moral relativism" but in reality it is simply a general agreement that the laws we have are "good enough for government work" and constitute standard by which a reasonable person may be judged by his peers. Without our tradition of secularism, Christian puritan ethic could run amok just as easily as Islamic puritanism.
I don't have a religion what I have is an understanding that there are differences between the religions. If this were the 12th century I'd say you have a point but since the days of the reformation are centuries past you don't. That isn't to say there aren't kooks dressed up as christians but, again, one religion insists its followers kill homosexuals while the other says they're going to hell. Without free-will, like what is found in Christianity and Judaism, there can never be a reformation of the Islamic religion. It isn't possible.
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:23:57am |
re: #334 Aceofwhat?
Yesterday I decided (unilaterally of course - it's the dictatorship of Aceofwhat over here in my office) that the only way this bill could stand is if the errant father was required to receive a thorough prostate exam at the same time.
I predict condom use to increase 24,659%.
Legislation like this does get challenged and (usually) overturned. The problem is that it is NOT an isolated incident, but part of a generalised campaign to push back on Roe V Wade by making abortions as difficult-- and traumatic-- to obtain as possible.
UT (i think) recently passed some legislation that criminalises miscarriage, for example, and it is so broadly written that it potentially can lead to prosecution for anyone having one.
FL passed a bill last week in the House (which will not make it through the senate there) that is the most broadly written anti-abortion leg ever, criminalising it even in cases of rape and incest.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:24:43am |
Damn wingnuts...///
Swastikas and Ku Klux Klan Symbols during ‘Apartheid Week’
Apartheid Week at Columbia, UCLA: As Israel Apartheid Week gets into full gear, pro-Israel activists at New York City’s Columbia University confronted anti-Zionists, who built a mock wall to represent the security barrier that Israel built to prevent suicide bombing and other terrorist attacks. Pro-Israel activists displayed signs, one of which included questions asking students how they would react if local areas were blown up by terrorists.
On California campuses, anti Zionist student radicals erected mock gravestones of Gazans and Israeli border checkpoints, and several incidents of violent riots were reported.
Hate messages against blacks appear to be a byproduct of the tolerance of hate towards Jews and Israel. San Diego police are investigating the appearance of crudely-designed Ku Klux Klan white hood on a statue outside the main library on the University of California campus. Officials said the incident was intended to offend black students.
Five hate attacks were reported last month, including the spraying of a swastika on the door of a dormitory room where a Jewish student resides. One university official, Sherry Atkinson, said that economic uncertainty might be a source of the hate.
Student government leaders at the university, where a dozen anti-Zionists were arrested by campus police last month for silencing visiting Israeli Ambassador Michael Oren, called for mandatory campus-wide “diversity training” to stem further hate messages.
Diversity training? That should change their minds. //
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Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:26:14am |
re: #328 reine.de.tout
May I add:
For anyone who doesn't want to go read any actual books, may I suggest Nekama's Troll Hammer.
Thanks, but I made a custom hammer just for Idiota.
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:26:26am |
re: #343 NJDhockeyfan
Damn wingnuts...///
Swastikas and Ku Klux Klan Symbols during ‘Apartheid Week’
Diversity training? That should change their minds. //
I'm reluctant to use Israel National News as a valid source ever since Pamela started writing essays over there.
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:27:08am |
re: #345 Alouette
I'm reluctant to use Israel National News as a valid source ever since Pamela started writing essays over there.
GAH! Really?!...
Sigh...
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:27:20am |
re: #344 Cato the Elder
Thanks, but I made a custom hammer just for Idiota.
Green-hearted, you crusty old Roman, you.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:28:15am |
re: #336 Liberal Classic
Repent Amarillo would consider Hot Topic a demonically-based store.
You mean it's not?
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:28:15am |
re: #345 Alouette
I'm reluctant to use Israel National News as a valid source ever since Pamela started writing essays over there.
One point-- it says 'several violent riots on CA campuses'?? Wouldn't we have heard?
I don't doubt that there've been hate crimes, antisemitic incidents, and college students doing awful things, but wth.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:28:53am |
Good morning Lizards.
Facts are simple and facts are straight
Facts are lazy and facts are late
Facts all come with points of view
Facts don't do what I want them to
Facts just twist the truth around
Facts are living turned inside out
Facts are getting the best of them
Facts are nothing on the face of things
Facts don't stain the furniture
Facts go out and slam the door
Facts are written all over your face
Facts continue to change their shape
I'm still waiting...I'm still waiting...I'm still waiting...
I'm still waiting...I'm still waiting...I'm still waiting...
I'm still waiting...I'm still waiting...
(Talking Heads - Cross-eyed and Painless)
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:29:29am |
re: #337 lawhawk
I don't care nearly as much about death as you do, and care more about people not having any freedom at all during their lives. I even, shocking as it may seem, value freedom above my own life, and think that a lot of other people do.
That the Saudis have been able to maintain control with less killing is not, to me, a sign that human rights are any better at all in Saudi Arabia-- or that Saudi Arabia would flinch from mass killing if they thought it was in there best interests.
I'm more concerned with how people live their lives. And the female population of Saudi Arabia lives in fear. As do many slaves. And anyone who isn't a Muslim. And anyone who wants a little bit of freedom.
That is overwhelming. It reaches a level of horribleness where saying is it less or more than this other vile and horrible place is meaningless, to me.
Calling it comparatively the 'gold standard' was callous and flippant of you.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:29:36am |
re: #320 Liberal Classic
You need not defend your religion. It really doesn't matter than your interpretation of your faith does not include the death penalties for sinners. The problem does not lie with faith, the problem lies with religious governance. The problem is under theocractic rule there is no standard of human behavior that is "good enough". Simply adequate never measures up to perfection, and so there will always be this pressure to push for more rules and stronger laws enforcing moral behavior. There is a history of religious persecution and violence in this country, and it can "happen here". The only thing stopping it from happening here is a tradition of secularism that makes acceptable different standards of behavior. There are some who claim this is "moral relativism" but in reality it is simply a general agreement that the laws we have are "good enough for government work" and constitute standard by which a reasonable person may be judged by his peers. Without our tradition of secularism, Christian puritan ethic could run amok just as easily as Islamic puritanism.
If the far right can't even sweep the elections in Texas, then it will not "happen here". I do not begrudge your concerns - through vigilance we will keep our state out of our churches and our churches out of our states. But I do wish to remind you that the evidence points to a great many believers (of all stripes) who have no wish to commingle church and state.
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:30:03am |
re: #349 iceweasel
One point-- it says 'several violent riots on CA campuses'?? Wouldn't we have heard?
I don't doubt that there've been hate crimes, antisemitic incidents, and college students doing awful things, but wth.
There have been riots, but they were at last year's festivities.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:30:22am |
re: #349 iceweasel
I've heard of one rowdy riot at Berkeley so far. That's all.
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:30:35am |
re: #340 Obdicut
The women can't. Is that not a problem?
If your neighbor accuses you of 'sorcery', you can get stoned to death. You don't think they don't worry about that?
Saudi Arabia executes 'criminals' who are under the age of eighteen.
If the property you own happens to be a printing press critical of the government, you will get hauled away, beaten, and probably thrown in jail.
It is a terrible regime.
I agree but like I said the majority of the people there like it like it is and there is quite a large percentage of the population who would like it if they were even more harsh. Their law is based on what their religion tells them and they're firm believers in having to do what their religion tells them to do.
The women, as usual, are the wild card. There are a few female reformers running around the country (running cuz they can't drive) and I'm hoping they are the first crack in their legal system. The problem is going to be all the older women who like it like it is.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:31:02am |
re: #351 Obdicut
100,000 with restricted freedom is worse than 100,000 dead? is that an accurate paraphrasing of your post???
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:33:28am |
re: #356 Aceofwhat?
100,000 with restricted freedom is worse than 100,000 dead? is that an accurate paraphrasing of your post???
We fought a Revolution for freedom, we certainly seemed to value freedom enough for that...Or should we have stayed under British rule? I mean, victory for us was not clear cut.
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Liberal Classic Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:33:45am |
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:34:12am |
re: #355 RogueOne
I agree but like I said the majority of the people there like it like it is
You think the women do?
re: #356 Aceofwhat?
100,000 with restricted freedom is worse than 100,000 dead? is that an accurate paraphrasing of your post???
Try "give me liberty or give me death". And it would be that 28,686,633 people with restricted freedom is so very important that saying something else is less or more important is just bizarre, to me.
It's not just restricted freedom. It's knowing that the State OR the religious apparatus could, either one of them, destroy you and your life at any moment.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:34:36am |
Chomsky joins Israel 'apartheid' debate
A week-long war of words over Israel continued Tuesday after prominent liberal academic Noam Chomsky called on United States citizens to confront Israel over its treatment of Palestinians.
Chomsky, a noted author and Massachusetts Institute of Technology professor emeritus, drew about 450 students, faculty and locals to Jacob Sleeper Auditorium as he described what he called a double standard in Israel.
“Over time, the apparatus of Israeli control has become more sophisticated and effective in affecting Palestinian life,” he said.
He listed the permit system required of Arabs, restricted roads and the security barrier between Israeli and Palestinian territory — which he called an “annexation wall” – as examples of how Israel’s control has dominated Palestine.
“Israel has finally begun to adopt the South African policy of what they call ‘indigenization of repression,’” he said.
Chomsky’s speech came as pro-Palestine groups across the country marked Israel Apartheid Week, a campaign equating Israel’s domination over Palestinian territories with the policy of segregation white South Africans forced on the black population in that country until the 1990s.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:35:07am |
re: #358 Liberal Classic
Burn burn down burn down Hot Topic
[Link: www.southparkstudios.com...]
I have a friend who was once in a heavy metal band. He used to buy gig cloyes/accessories at HT. Probably yhe only adult ever to shop there.
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:35:42am |
re: #351 Obdicut
They are allowed to leave. If they don't like it there they are free to travel to get their hedonistic grooves on. Flying into saudi on their airline you're sitting next to all these men and women wearing western-style clothing. Once you cross into saudi airspace there's an audio alert in arabic (I couldn't tell wtf it was saying) and they all get up and start covering themselves up in their traditional garb. It's a trip. One minute they're westerners and the next their traditional sauds.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:35:49am |
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sattv4u2 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:36:02am |
re: #359 Obdicut
You think the women do?
As opposed to being gassed to death, as many in Iraq were under Saddam
why yes,,,, yes ,, I do !!
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:36:38am |
re: #365 Mad Al-Jaffee
Give me liberty or give me pie! Or both.
"Live free, or don't"
Neutral Planet protest sign, Futurama.
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Eclectic Infidel Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:36:38am |
re: #355 RogueOne
I agree but like I said the majority of the people there like it like it is .
Are you sure about that? Can you point us to sources that make that claim? The Saudi regime isn't merely oppressive against women, do you understand that? You seem to be white washing the horrific human rights abuses aside for some reason.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:36:47am |
re: #365 Mad Al-Jaffee
Give me liberty or give me pie! Or both.
Fat Veggie Bastard ,, is that you !?!?!
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:37:05am |
re: #363 RogueOne
They are allowed to leave. If they don't like it there they are free to travel to get their hedonistic grooves on.
You can't possibly mean that to apply to the vast majority of women in SA.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:38:04am |
re: #357 Varek Raith
We fought a Revolution for freedom, we certainly seemed to value freedom enough for that...Or should we have stayed under British rule? I mean, victory for us was not clear cut.
IIRC, we all hope there's a special Hell for Hitler because of what he massacred, not because of whose freedoms he restricted.
Don't confuse the question of whether it is worthy to fight for one's freedom with whether it is preferable to be slaughtered rather than heavily restricted.
It is the latter that I am questioning.
We should kill all of our felons who are not expected to outlive their sentences. It, apparently, is more humane than restricting their freedom for life.
See where this goes?
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:38:12am |
re: #368 eclectic infidel
Are you sure about that? Can you point us to sources that make that claim? The Saudi regime isn't merely oppressive against women, do you understand that? You seem to be white washing the horrific human rights abuses aside for some reason.
Travel there for yourself. Saudi's are not forced to remain in country that's why there are so many of them that leave. It may seem difficult for you to understand but these people are doing what they believe their religion tells them to do.
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:38:40am |
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:38:44am |
Winnipeg Jews urged to stay away from Israel Apartheid Week
WINNIPEG — Jewish leaders here are urging their community to stay home when organizers of Israel Apartheid Week bring their campaign to the University of Manitoba next week for the first time.
"We will have a few Jewish students there to monitor, not to get into a ruckus," said Bob Freedman, chief executive officer of the Jewish Federation of Winnipeg.
Freedman said organizers of Israel Apartheid Week want to provoke confrontation so they can draw more attention.
Not so, said a spokesman for next week's events. Organizers include a coalition of students and academics, said Brian Latour.
"Israeli Apartheid Week is not a 'hate-fest,'" he said. "The goal . . . is to examine the nature of Israel as an apartheid state and promote the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) campaign. Our events do not target Israeli citizens or Jewish people, they are about the Israeli state and its apartheid practices."
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:39:25am |
re: #363 RogueOne
They are allowed to leave. If they don't like it there they are free to travel to get their hedonistic grooves on. Flying into saudi on their airline you're sitting next to all these men and women wearing western-style clothing. Once you cross into saudi airspace there's an audio alert in arabic (I couldn't tell wtf it was saying) and they all get up and start covering themselves up in their traditional garb. It's a trip. One minute they're westerners and the next their traditional sauds.
Except that women are not allowed to travel unattended.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:40:12am |
re: #347 Alouette
Green-hearted, you crusty old Roman, you.
I'm great-hearted, too. And I don't forget my history to make convenient anti-religious talking points.
Idioma has left the building. Perhaps she's gone to read some Chomsky and buff up on her revisionism.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:40:13am |
re: #359 Obdicut
Try "give me liberty or give me death". And it would be that 28,686,633 people with restricted freedom is so very important that saying something else is less or more important is just bizarre, to me.
It's not just restricted freedom. It's knowing that the State OR the religious apparatus could, either one of them, destroy you and your life at any moment.
I hold mass murderers like Hitler in far greater contempt than King Saud for exactly. that. reason.
"give me liberty or death" is a resounding cry of the American spirit (though not necessarily limited to America). it is not proof that slaughter < minimal freedom on humanity's report card.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:40:42am |
re: #371 Aceofwhat?
Freedoms restricted through due process of law are not comparable to freedoms restricted by dictatorial fiat, no.
I'm leaving for work now. This was pretty damn disappointing.
Women cannot just leave Saudi Arabia. Jesus. I doubt a woman in Saudi Arabia would be allowed to get a passport without her husband's or families knowledge. She wouldn't be allowed to walk down the street, even, I don't think.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:41:38am |
re: #376 Cato the Elder
I'm great-hearted, too. And I don't forget my history to make convenient anti-religious talking points.
Idioma has left the building. Perhaps she's gone to read some Chomsky and buff up on her revisionism.
Hopefully she's considering my points on the other thread. I did my honest best, as I promised her I would.
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:41:59am |
re: #370 iceweasel
You can't possibly mean that to apply to the vast majority of women in SA.
No, I meant the population as a whole. Look, they're sinners just like the rest of us the only difference is the punishment for behaving like they want in country is pretty harsh. They all travel to the UAE to party because that is their only nearby option. They all travel outside the country to go to college or technical schools and while they're out of the country they behave like everyone else.
The majority of the women in SA like it like it is. It's the way they were raised, it's what their religion tells them to do, it's just the way it is. Would they like to be able to drive somewhere on their own? The majority probably would but not enough to risk going to hell.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:42:20am |
re: #378 Obdicut
Freedoms restricted through due process of law are not comparable to freedoms restricted by dictatorial fiat, no.
I'm leaving for work now. This was pretty damn disappointing.
Women cannot just leave Saudi Arabia. Jesus. I doubt a woman in Saudi Arabia would be allowed to get a passport without her husband's or families knowledge. She wouldn't be allowed to walk down the street, even, I don't think.
Hyperbole. You don't know, do you. "I think" doesn't settle the debate.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:42:28am |
re: #378 Obdicut
Freedoms restricted through due process of law are not comparable to freedoms restricted by dictatorial fiat, no.
I'm leaving for work now. This was pretty damn disappointing.
Women cannot just leave Saudi Arabia. Jesus. I doubt a woman in Saudi Arabia would be allowed to get a passport without her husband's or families knowledge. She wouldn't be allowed to walk down the street, even, I don't think.
I doubt that her slaughter is an improvement on the situation. Ponder your disappointment for a bit.
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lawhawk Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:43:03am |
re: #351 Obdicut
So, you consider it callous and flippant for me to call it the gold standard by comparison. Okay. I consider it ignorant to compare a mass murdering genocidal regime to a religious theocracy that didn't engage in genocide and ethnic cleansing. Genocide and ethnic cleansing were more than sufficient events to warrant taking out Saddam Hussein in Iraq under the Genocide Convention, to which most of the world were signatories and to which the world was required to act as per those agreements. The failure to act sooner meant that many more lives were lost.
There was and is no such requirement for human rights violations that didn't rise to the level of genocide and ethnic cleansing.
What then do you propose we do about Saudi Arabia's human rights abuses, that I've repeatedly cataloged on LGF and my own blog - whether it was handing out lashes to rape victims, continuing misogyny, limiting free speech, etc.
Getting rid of the Saudi regime isn't going to happen. You can't get the US to topple it for fear that it would look like the infidels were taking out the regime tasked with the protection of Islam's most holy sites. Reform from within is needed, but the regime has limited reforms and cracks down on reforms.
Pointing out that the Saudis engage in misogyny and that they routinely kill criminals is all well and good. Pointing out their human rights abuses is again all well and good, but to compare them to a genocidal regime? Not so good.
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:43:38am |
So much for spreading freedom and democracy...
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:43:43am |
re: #378 Obdicut
Freedoms restricted through due process of law are not comparable to freedoms restricted by dictatorial fiat, no.
I'm leaving for work now. This was pretty damn disappointing.
Women cannot just leave Saudi Arabia. Jesus. I doubt a woman in Saudi Arabia would be allowed to get a passport without her husband's or families knowledge. She wouldn't be allowed to walk down the street, even, I don't think.
Better they be dead than live like that?
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Eclectic Infidel Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:44:08am |
re: #361 NJDhockeyfan
It's all misinformation galore. Every time we take to the streets to defend here to defend Israel, we hear the same old BS: apartheid, occupation, oppression. Never a word about the failure of Hamas leadership, or the 703 thousand tons of food and medical supplies to GAZA. It's all so maddening.
One of our operatives was at UC Berkeley yesterday and mentioned in an email that it got pretty interesting on campus when the jerks of the UCB Students for Justice in Palestine started setting up 'mock' check points. I'll report back later when I see the friend today. There's some activism we'll be doing n a nearby city.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:44:51am |
re: #357 Varek Raith
We fought a Revolution for freedom, we certainly seemed to value freedom enough for that...Or should we have stayed under British rule? I mean, victory for us was not clear cut.
If we had lost, would our wholesale slaughter have been preferable to our continued subjugation? I don't know if that's what you mean to say. But so far, it's what you're saying.
while there is life, there is hope.
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:45:03am |
'Funeral' being held today for aging Web browser
(CNN) -- More than 100 people, many of them dressed in black, are expected to gather around a coffin Thursday to say goodbye to an old friend.The deceased? Internet Explorer 6.
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:45:14am |
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:45:34am |
re: #375 Alouette
Except that women are not allowed to travel unattended.
They are allowed to travel with permission from the senior male in their family, either their father or their husband. If they aren't around then the oldest male member of the family can fill in.
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:45:54am |
re: #380 RogueOne
They all travel outside the country to go to college or technical schools and while they're out of the country they behave like everyone else.
The WOMEN? "All"?
The majority of the women in SA like it like it is.
I have no idea what you're basing that statement on, and I really don't foresee any way for you to substantiate it.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:46:00am |
re: #386 eclectic infidel
It's all misinformation galore. Every time we take to the streets to defend here to defend Israel, we hear the same old BS: apartheid, occupation, oppression. Never a word about the failure of Hamas leadership, or the 703 thousand tons of food and medical supplies to GAZA. It's all so maddening.
One of our operatives was at UC Berkeley yesterday and mentioned in an email that it got pretty interesting on campus when the jerks of the UCB Students for Justice in Palestine started setting up 'mock' check points. I'll report back later when I see the friend today. There's some activism we'll be doing n a nearby city.
would love to hear more updates when you have them...
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:46:21am |
re: #388 Varek Raith
That's the version I use at work! And they won't let us install any other kind of browser. Stupid government.
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Liberal Classic Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:46:25am |
re: #352 Aceofwhat?
But I do wish to remind you that the evidence points to a great many believers (of all stripes) who have no wish to commingle church and state.
By "happen here" I'm kind of talking about the extreme case that people say "never again" to. I don't really see "it" happening here, but generally it's something we need to be aware of, and it's why we teach civics in school. You're correct to point out that most believers do not advocate theocracy. That's because in the U.S. and Europe we have a tradition of secularism that has its roots in the enlightenment. It's not a universal ethic, and I don't think it's "built-in" to Christianity in the way some people seem to think it is.
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:46:34am |
re: #387 Aceofwhat?
If we had lost, would our wholesale slaughter have been preferable to our continued subjugation? I don't know if that's what you mean to say. But so far, it's what you're saying.
while there is life, there is hope.
No, my point was that we seemed to value freedom above our deaths. If we did not, we never would've revolted.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:47:24am |
re: #386 eclectic infidel
It's all misinformation galore. Every time we take to the streets to defend here to defend Israel, we hear the same old BS: apartheid, occupation, oppression. Never a word about the failure of Hamas leadership, or the 703 thousand tons of food and medical supplies to GAZA. It's all so maddening.
One of our operatives was at UC Berkeley yesterday and mentioned in an email that it got pretty interesting on campus when the jerks of the UCB Students for Justice in Palestine started setting up 'mock' check points. I'll report back later when I see the friend today. There's some activism we'll be doing n a nearby city.
Take pictures! Video also if possible. I'm glad we have a lizard in the trenches.
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Eclectic Infidel Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:47:27am |
re: #374 NJDhockeyfan
At UC Berkeley it is definitely a hate fest. Speaking of the UC system, I wonder how bad it is at UC Irvine. Anyone have the dirt?
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:47:28am |
re: #394 Liberal Classic
By "happen here" I'm kind of talking about the extreme case that people say "never again" to. I don't really see "it" happening here, but generally it's something we need to be aware of, and it's why we teach civics in school. You're correct to point out that most believers do not advocate theocracy. That's because in the U.S. and Europe we have a tradition of secularism that has its roots in the enlightenment. It's not a universal ethic, and I don't think it's "built-in" to Christianity in the way some people seem to think it is.
full agreement. well done.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:47:48am |
re: #344 Cato the Elder
Thanks, but I made a custom hammer just for Idiota.
And an excellent one it was.
Cato's Troll Hammer.
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:48:20am |
As usual, I can't tear myself away to clean my house. Should I do the bathroom, or the living room? Call the carpet cleaners?
I have to get Zedushka to clean up his filthy lair in the garage so that I can clean out the freezer and start loading it up for Passover.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:48:35am |
re: #394 Liberal Classic
By "happen here" I'm kind of talking about the extreme case that people say "never again" to. I don't really see "it" happening here, but generally it's something we need to be aware of, and it's why we teach civics in school. You're correct to point out that most believers do not advocate theocracy. That's because in the U.S. and Europe we have a tradition of secularism that has its roots in the enlightenment. It's not a universal ethic, and I don't think it's "built-in" to Christianity in the way some people seem to think it is.
The Jews say "never again." That's extreme?
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:48:50am |
re: #400 Alouette
As usual, I can't tear myself away to clean my house. Should I do the bathroom, or the living room? Call the carpet cleaners?
I have to get Zedushka to clean up his filthy lair in the garage so that I can clean out the freezer and start loading it up for Passover.
Sitting on the couch ain't an option???
/:(
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Ericus58 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:48:54am |
re: #318 iceweasel
Mine was for the statement of staying out of Texas. the data wasn't the issue.
The application of the brush in the extreme. So, there's no Dem's/liberals in Texas either?
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spare o'lake Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:49:07am |
re: #175 Spare O'Lake
Bottom line:
Anyone who wishes for Israel to cease to exist, or who bemoans the inconvenience of her existence, is an anti-Semite.
Done.
BBL.
Notice please that I did not say, nor do I believe, that criticism of Israeli government policies equates to anti-Semitism. It is not anti-Semitic to call for a two State solution (in which I believe) or to criticize Operation Cast Lead, or to criticize any Israeli policy.
What IS anti-Semitic is the wish for Israel to cease to exist.
That is what I take people to mean when they pretend to bemoan the terrible price which the world is forced to pay in order to humour the existence of the puny little Jewish State of Israel. Or when they blame the existence of Israel for the Islamofascist Jihadist threat.
This is not something that I made up, by the way.
I believe this with all my heart and it is non-negotiable.
Furthermore, it has always been by understanding that Charles believes this too.
This is my position and it is entirely consistent with the position of LGF.
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lawhawk Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:49:08am |
re: #391 iceweasel
We have no idea what the women of Saudi Arabia want - they're a hidden population - in every sense of the word. Perhaps some do like things the way they are but we can expect that some want change in the worst way.
What we do know is that often Saudis will head to Dubai and the UAE to carry on in ways that were unacceptable in Saudi Arabia. That includes shopping, drinking, cavorting, etc. Women are more likely to be found dressed in Western fashion in the UAE than they are in Saudi Arabia.
And that doesn't begin to touch on the religious segregation in Saudi Arabia either - where infidels are unable to visit areas of the country and are persecuted. They are merely barely tolerated elsewhere. All that has to change, but it can't because of religious prescriptions under Islam.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:50:05am |
re: #395 Varek Raith
No, my point was that we seemed to value freedom above our deaths. If we did not, we never would've revolted.
With that, we are in full agreement. I am saying that Hitler, Hussein et al. are far, far, far, far more evil than King Saud.
Slaughter and oppression are not equivalent human ills.
This is where atheism lets people down. ZING!!!
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:50:42am |
re: #383 lawhawk
So, you consider it callous and flippant for me to call it the gold standard by comparison. Okay. I consider it ignorant to compare a mass murdering genocidal regime to a religious theocracy that didn't engage in genocide and ethnic cleansing. Genocide and ethnic cleansing were more than sufficient events to warrant taking out Saddam Hussein in Iraq under the Genocide Convention, to which most of the world were signatories and to which the world was required to act as per those agreements. The failure to act sooner meant that many more lives were lost.
There was and is no such requirement for human rights violations that didn't rise to the level of genocide and ethnic cleansing.
What then do you propose we do about Saudi Arabia's human rights abuses, that I've repeatedly cataloged on LGF and my own blog - whether it was handing out lashes to rape victims, continuing misogyny, limiting free speech, etc.
Getting rid of the Saudi regime isn't going to happen. You can't get the US to topple it for fear that it would look like the infidels were taking out the regime tasked with the protection of Islam's most holy sites. Reform from within is needed, but the regime has limited reforms and cracks down on reforms.
Pointing out that the Saudis engage in misogyny and that they routinely kill criminals is all well and good. Pointing out their human rights abuses is again all well and good, but to compare them to a genocidal regime? Not so good.
I hear all of your points and I agree with you about 90%.
What sticks in my craw are two things:
1. The Saudis seem pretty clear most of the time ( and their media pretty much all of the time) that killing all Jews would be something the would like.
While I admit, since they had their asses handed to them in 1967, they have not tried to so openly commit genocide, but all of those calls to drive the Jews into the sea, and much worse were not meant as a joke.
2. Since we are the primary source of income propping up that regime, we as the US do bear some moral responsibility for their actions.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:50:54am |
re: #400 Alouette
As usual, I can't tear myself away to clean my house. Should I do the bathroom, or the living room? Call the carpet cleaners?
I have to get Zedushka to clean up his filthy lair in the garage so that I can clean out the freezer and start loading it up for Passover.
living room. you can clean for a few, post for a few, rinse and repeat.
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Liberal Classic Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:51:11am |
re: #401 Walter L. Newton
The Jews say "never again." That's extreme?
Walter, I'm sorry but I have to go. I don't have time to argue with you now.
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:51:38am |
re: #406 Aceofwhat?
With that, we are in full agreement. I am saying that Hitler, Hussein et al. are far, far, far, far more evil than King Saud.
Slaughter and oppression are not equivalent human ills.
This is where atheism lets people down. ZING!!!
Well, then, lack of freedom is #2 on my list of terrible human rights abuses.
/Damn, I'm incoherent...
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:51:46am |
re: #391 iceweasel
I have no idea what you're basing that statement on, and I really don't foresee any way for you to substantiate it.
Travel there for yourself, but take Jimmah with you, and you'll see what I'm saying. It's just their culture and has been for centuries. Their religion is at the top of the totem pole for them.
I don't mean to say that ALL women love it there, quite a few don't but they aren't the majority by far. Their view of all the restrictions placed on them is it's a sign of respect and protection. How else can you explain all the multiple wives, the willingness to subjugate themselves to their men, to have to wear heavy robes and head coverings. It is what it is and that's what it takes to make it to heaven.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:52:35am |
re: #400 Alouette
As usual, I can't tear myself away to clean my house. Should I do the bathroom, or the living room? Call the carpet cleaners?
I have to get Zedushka to clean up his filthy lair in the garage so that I can clean out the freezer and start loading it up for Passover.
You do like to start early!
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Silvergirl Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:53:16am |
re: #264 Rightwingconspirator
1 down for an all too broad definition.
America should cease to exist.
Her existence is inconvenient.
That sounds like I am against Americans. Do you think I can say the country should not exist and then say that I am not?
I know there is more to antisemitism than wishing Israel to cease its existence, but I find it hard to keep anyone with that wish out of the antisemitic category.
Spare said:
Bottom line:
Anyone who wishes for Israel to cease to exist, or who bemoans the inconvenience of her existence, is an anti-Semite.
Would you explain further, RWC?
Sometimes, though not always, a broad definition saves time. Spare's statement is not so outrageous to me. Not so outrageous at all.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:53:18am |
re: #409 Liberal Classic
Walter, I'm sorry but I have to go. I don't have time to argue with you now.
Drive safe.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:54:11am |
re: #322 Cato the Elder
Note to potential employers: My #322 above was written in ten minutes flat with no revisions.
Anyone care to hire a polemicist?
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:54:50am |
re: #407 LudwigVanQuixote
2. Since we are the primary source of income propping up that regime, we as the US do bear some moral responsibility for their actions.
Bullshit. Our country gives money to many countries. I do not believe we are responsible for any of their actions. What happened to personal responsibility?
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Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:54:53am |
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:55:19am |
re: #408 Aceofwhat?
living room. you can clean for a few, post for a few, rinse and repeat.
Living room is easy, nobody ever goes in there and all I have to do is dust the piano and vacuum the sofa cushions. My grandkids might have stashed cookies in there at some time.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:55:42am |
Need help.
I am in charge of setting up a neighborhood association website for a 1400 household neighborhood.
I found this place, where I've played around and set up a website - their sites are free or very low cost.
Features I like about this - I can turn off comments for site members; and once folks are members, I can send an e-mail to ALL MEMBERS at one time to notify them that new information has been posted, without having to have a separate e-mail list in my own address book. There are different pages for different things - a calendar to post events - a page for photos, etc.
What I don't like - it appears for a group website, people can join only if they get an invitation from a current member. so new households can't just go to the website and sign up. This is a minor problem, since I have the association e-mail in the "welcome" page and they can just send me an e-mail asking for the invitation. But it's unwieldy.
And what I don't know is this - how much "bandwidth" would I need for 1400 households? The free version has a limited amount, and then there are 3 paid versions with differing amounts of bandwidth. The highest priced version is still less than what it costs the association to mail out ONE newsletter.
Does anyone have any suggestions for a better place to set up this website?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:56:16am |
re: #416 Cato the Elder
Note to potential employers: My #322 above was written in ten minutes flat with no revisions.
Anyone care to hire a polemicist?
Well, I could use someone who is good at random phillipics...
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:56:27am |
re: #416 Cato the Elder
Note to potential employers: My #322 above was written in ten minutes flat with no revisions.
Anyone care to hire a polemicist?
I believe that "straight up" is more technically accurate written as "straight-up".
so your SAT score is 1580, if my math is correct...slacker
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spare o'lake Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:57:39am |
re: #414 Silvergirl
Would you explain further, RWC?
Sometimes, though not always, a broad definition saves time. Spare's statement is not so outrageous to me. Not so outrageous at all.
I wrote my #404 because of his comment...just on the off-chance that he misunderstood me.
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Eclectic Infidel Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:57:45am |
re: #403 Ericus58
Mine was for the statement of staying out of Texas. the data wasn't the issue.
The application of the brush in the extreme. So, there's no Dem's/liberals in Texas either?
My second cousin, and my great aunt are Texans and both are democrats. My grandmother, also a Texan, is the sole republican in the family (on my mom's side).
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:58:07am |
re: #421 iceweasel
SOROS transmission sent.
great...i just took my gold foil hat off and now you're doing the commiefluoridationmindcontrol beam again. time to wrap my head again...//
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:58:43am |
re: #423 Aceofwhat?
I believe that "straight up" is more technically accurate written as "straight-up".
so your SAT score is 1580, if my math is correct...slacker
And he cheapened the whole essay by ending up with a gratuitous sexy reference by mentioned a shirtless Paul Newman.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:59:17am |
re: #416 Cato the Elder
Note to potential employers: My #322 above was written in ten minutes flat with no revisions.
Anyone care to hire a polemicist?
Why go corporate? Tired of freelancing jeremiads?
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 4, 2010 7:59:26am |
re: #426 Aceofwhat?
great...i just took my gold foil hat off and now you're doing the commiefluoridationmindcontrol beam again. time to wrap my head again...//
Amateur, I got a anti-mind control shield generator that envelops the whole house.
/
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:00:07am |
re: #420 reine.de.tout
Does anyone have any suggestions for a better place to set up this website?
Yes, possibly. You could set up a free forum at a site like this:
[Link: www.freeforums.org...]
Down sides to a forum: Not sure if the threads are googleable. Also the admin still has to approve peeps who join (tho I think it's customizable)
Plus sides: very customisable, members can start threads/topics, you can hand off a lot of work to as many mods as you appoint while still retaining admin privileges.
Set up a test one for yourself and play with it.
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:00:15am |
re: #429 Varek Raith
Amateur, I got a anti-mind control shield generator that envelops the whole house.
/
Good idea. Can't be too careful.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:00:27am |
re: #427 Walter L. Newton
And he cheapened the whole essay by ending up with a gratuitous sexy reference by mentioned a shirtless Paul Newman.
but he was grammatically and stylistically accurate in the process...i was going to let it slide...but yeah. gross.
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lawhawk Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:01:03am |
re: #407 LudwigVanQuixote
Agreed. Every Administration since the 1940s has cavorted with the Saudis because of our needs for oil and that's created a lecherous relationship that has to end. Moreover, the Arabists in the State Department were more than willing to look the other way at Arab abuses so that the US would maintain a steady flow of oil and put the screws to Israel occasionally to keep the Arabs happy. It's happened with every Administration in some form or another. Human rights abuses by all the Arab regimes were ignored or minimized (just as we now do with China) because of our economic needs.
We prop them up because our demand for oil keeps the prices nice and high (filling Saudi coffers) even though the direct purchases are mostly coming from Europe and China.
The Saudi - and indeed all the Arab - calls for Israel's genocide and annihilation have not been met with loud enough calls for their denouncement from the US and Europe. It's a situation that has become all too tolerable for the diplomats who continue to ignore the plain statements by the regimes, their religious mullahs, and even the terror groups that are sponsored by the various regimes.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:01:44am |
re: #417 NJDhockeyfan
Bullshit. Our country gives money to many countries. I do not believe we are responsible for any of their actions. What happened to personal responsibility?
Ahhh you are one of the ones who has the largest difficulty with basic morality. I shall tell you a fable that may elucidate.
There was once a kingdom that had a terrible crime wave. Robbers were stealing gold. They were breaking into homes and mugging people on the street.
The king ordered a large portion of the gold merchants killed.
Crime went way down.
The king commented that when you plug up the holes, there is no place for the rats.
Now when you talk about personal responsibility, but do not include your own, I am always amazed that you seem to actually not get the principle.
If you rob, you are guilty... ok
If you pay a robber to rob, you are guilty.
In other words, everyone has personal responsibility.
Simple and basic morality 101, the most basic ethics of cause and effect.
The Saudi regime is brutal and terrible. We prop them up. We bear some responsibility.
Even if you argue that if we did not prop them up, something worse might come and take their place, which is true, we would still bear responsibility.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:01:48am |
re: #429 Varek Raith
Amateur, I got a anti-mind control shield generator that envelops the whole house.
/
yeah, but mine's simultaneously an investment in gold, for when the One World Fluoridation Federation takes over and ruins currency!
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oldegeezr Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:01:51am |
Reference my #338, I must apologize. I was really, really, FOS!
It wasn’t just two, it was actually four or maybe even six? It also included caring Christians doing the right thing for deserving Muslims.
I’m sorry; but I can’t absolutely promise this won’t happen again due to certain age related issues I’ve been dealing with.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:01:54am |
re: #416 Cato the Elder
Note to potential employers: My #322 above was written in ten minutes flat with no revisions.
Anyone care to hire a polemicist?
If you'll walk the dogs in the park once a day and do yard work, you're on!
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:02:09am |
W.H. warns Dems: Don't flip-flop
Two senior administration officials said the White House is telling Democrats reconsidering their support for health care reform that they will pay the price for their original vote no matter what happens, so they should reap the political benefits of actually passing a law.
There are 59 senators and 216 House members who put themselves on the record in support of the Democratic plan for health care reform. And the way the White House and Democratic leaders see it, they have little choice but to vote for it again: Think John Kerry, and his immortal words about an Iraq war appropriations bill – that he was for it before he was against it.
“Flip-flopping is dangerous in this business,” said a senior Senate Democratic aide familiar with the strategy.
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Jadespring Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:02:38am |
re: #432 Aceofwhat?
but he was grammatically and stylistically accurate in the process...i was going to let it slide...but yeah. gross.
I didn't think it was gross. Youngish Paul Newman without a shirt= yummy.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:02:55am |
re: #433 lawhawk
Agreed. Every Administration since the 1940s has cavorted with the Saudis because of our needs for oil and that's created a lecherous relationship that has to end. Moreover, the Arabists in the State Department were more than willing to look the other way at Arab abuses so that the US would maintain a steady flow of oil and put the screws to Israel occasionally to keep the Arabs happy. It's happened with every Administration in some form or another. Human rights abuses by all the Arab regimes were ignored or minimized (just as we now do with China) because of our economic needs.
We prop them up because our demand for oil keeps the prices nice and high (filling Saudi coffers) even though the direct purchases are mostly coming from Europe and China.
The Saudi - and indeed all the Arab - calls for Israel's genocide and annihilation have not been met with loud enough calls for their denouncement from the US and Europe. It's a situation that has become all too tolerable for the diplomats who continue to ignore the plain statements by the regimes, their religious mullahs, and even the terror groups that are sponsored by the various regimes.
So imagine how much better it would be if we deployed domestic energy production technologies. Every president since Nixon has said this is a priority. We never seem to do it.
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spare o'lake Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:04:16am |
re: #433 lawhawk
Agreed. Every Administration since the 1940s has cavorted with the Saudis because of our needs for oil and that's created a lecherous relationship that has to end. Moreover, the Arabists in the State Department were more than willing to look the other way at Arab abuses so that the US would maintain a steady flow of oil and put the screws to Israel occasionally to keep the Arabs happy. It's happened with every Administration in some form or another. Human rights abuses by all the Arab regimes were ignored or minimized (just as we now do with China) because of our economic needs.
We prop them up because our demand for oil keeps the prices nice and high (filling Saudi coffers) even though the direct purchases are mostly coming from Europe and China.
The Saudi - and indeed all the Arab - calls for Israel's genocide and annihilation have not been met with loud enough calls for their denouncement from the US and Europe. It's a situation that has become all too tolerable for the diplomats who continue to ignore the plain statements by the regimes, their religious mullahs, and even the terror groups that are sponsored by the various regimes.
Yes, very well said.
On a related vein, I saw on CNN tv that Obama has announced the closure of Yucca. If true, this does not exactly augur well for decreasing American dependence on Saudi oil.
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:04:27am |
re: #438 NJDhockeyfan
Two senior administration officials said the White House is telling Democrats reconsidering their support for health care reform that they will pay the price for their original vote no matter what happens, so they should reap the political benefits of actually passing a law.
So...Their argument is "You're already screwed so you may as well go all in and really screw yourself"? That doesn't seem like a very good selling point.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:04:44am |
re: #422 LudwigVanQuixote
Well, I could use someone who is good at random phillipics...
You're on. I believe I'm better at insults than you are.
You stick to the science, I'll pound the imbeciles into the ground for you.
We can discuss my rates offline.
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:04:56am |
re: #438 NJDhockeyfan
Updinged, and fat load of good it will do. Dems excel at flipflopping, tripping over their own feet, and backstabbing. (often all at the same time!)
Stupak is claiming he has a number of them lined up to flipflop just over the abortion issue, for instance.
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:05:37am |
re: #444 iceweasel
Updinged, and fat load of good it will do. Dems excel at flipflopping, tripping over their own feet, and backstabbing. (often all at the same time!)
Stupak is claiming he has a number of them lined up to flipflop just over the abortion issue, for instance.
I saw that yesterday, he says he has 12 dems going along with him.
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:05:46am |
re: #444 iceweasel
Updinged, and fat load of good it will do. Dems excel at flipflopping, tripping over their own feet, and backstabbing. (often all at the same time!)
Stupak is claiming he has a number of them lined up to flipflop just over the abortion issue, for instance.
Politicians, a most cowardly species.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:06:53am |
re: #444 iceweasel
Updinged, and fat load of good it will do. Dems excel at flipflopping, tripping over their own feet, and backstabbing. (often all at the same time!)......snip
Is that the new event at the Summer Olympics?
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sattv4u2 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:06:56am |
re: #445 RogueOne
I saw that yesterday, he says he has 12 dems going along with him.
They'll be picked off one at a time with some promise
Washington ,,, business as usual
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darthstar Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:07:17am |
re: #444 iceweasel
Updinged, and fat load of good it will do. Dems excel at flipflopping, tripping over their own feet, and backstabbing. (often all at the same time!)
Stupak is claiming he has a number of them lined up to flipflop just over the abortion issue, for instance.
Someone needs to thorw Stupak into some stirrups and do a little D&C on his ass. I hat that stupid fuck.
Good morning, everyone...can't stay long, gotta get on the road.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:07:28am |
re: #439 Jadespring
I didn't think it was gross. Youngish Paul Newman without a shirt= yummy.
It is a heavenly miracle that women (and a few men) find the male form yummy. I don't know how you all can stand to look at us, but i'm damn grateful for it!
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Locker Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:07:34am |
re: #443 Cato the Elder
You're on. I believe I'm better at insults than you are.
You stick to the science, I'll pound the imbeciles into the ground for you.
We can discuss my rates offline.
Quit hogging all the action damn it.
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:07:47am |
re: #446 Varek Raith
Politicians, a most cowardly species.
Yes, and the Dems don't have the party/message discipline that the GOP does.
re: #445 RogueOne
I saw that yesterday, he says he has 12 dems going along with him.
Yeah, I think i saw today that he's claiming up to 15 now-- I could be wrong about that.
However, I absolutely do believe he has several lined up.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:07:58am |
re: #312 RogueOne
I don't disagree that they'd like the nation run by the rule of their god as described by their bible but show me where they want to stone their children for backtalking or hang homosexuals in the town square and I'll buy it. No where in their religion does Jesus say "kill the unbelievers".
I'm quite sure they can find some text to use.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:08:10am |
re: #449 darthstar
Someone needs to thorw Stupak into some stirrups and do a little D&C on his ass. I hat that stupid fuck.
Good morning, everyone...can't stay long, gotta get on the road.
baseball ,,, fedora,,,,, floppy beach one !?!?!?
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:08:35am |
re: #440 LudwigVanQuixote
So imagine how much better it would be if we deployed domestic energy production technologies. Every president since Nixon has said this is a priority. We never seem to do it.
restated for emphasis
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darthstar Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:08:55am |
re: #454 sattv4u2
baseball ,,, fedora,,, floppy beach one !?!?!?
He isn't even worthy of a silent vowel in my book.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:09:16am |
re: #444 iceweasel
Updinged, and fat load of good it will do. Dems excel at flipflopping, tripping over their own feet, and backstabbing. (often all at the same time!)
Stupak is claiming he has a number of them lined up to flipflop just over the abortion issue, for instance.
LOL...all you have to do is look at the WH. They set the standard on flip-flops.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:09:28am |
re: #430 iceweasel
Yes, possibly. You could set up a free forum at a site like this:
[Link: www.freeforums.org...]
Down sides to a forum: Not sure if the threads are googleable. Also the admin still has to approve peeps who join (tho I think it's customizable)
Plus sides: very customisable, members can start threads/topics, you can hand off a lot of work to as many mods as you appoint while still retaining admin privileges.
Set up a test one for yourself and play with it.
OK!
I'll try it.
Thanks.
At this point, I think I'd prefer to limit who can start topics, etc., but I'll check this out!
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:09:41am |
re: #427 Walter L. Newton
And he cheapened the whole essay by ending up with a gratuitous sexy reference by mentioned a shirtless Paul Newman.
What is wrong with that? Paul Newman was hot!
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Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:09:45am |
re: #451 Locker
Quit hogging all the action damn it.
I learned shameless self-promotion from a master here. And I need the work. Gimme some or get off my back! ;^)
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sattv4u2 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:09:59am |
re: #440 LudwigVanQuixote
So imagine how much better it would be if we deployed domestic energy production technologies. Every president since Nixon has said this is a priority. We never seem to do it.
NIMBYS are a strong political force. They bring both ends and the middle of the spectrum together
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:10:08am |
re: #323 lawhawk
Saudis didn't engage in ethnic cleansing and genocide. Saddam did.
The mass graves are proof of that. The Anfal campaign is proof of that.
The Saudis own woeful human rights record is a gold standard by comparison. It's not even the same ballpark. It's not even the same sport.
We didn't act because of that, though. And we DID go into Afghanistan, which is a lot like Saudi, but broker.
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:10:09am |
re: #457 NJDhockeyfan
LOL...all you have to do is look at the WH. They set the standard on flip-flops.
I believe the Greeks set the standard on that some millenia ago...
:)
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:10:12am |
re: #448 sattv4u2
They'll be picked off one at a time with some promise
Washington ,,, business as usual
Only if they all have brothers who are judges. ;0)
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:10:20am |
re: #454 sattv4u2
baseball ,,, fedora,,, floppy beach one !?!?!?
my guess is that darthstar's hats have ear flaps!
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lawhawk Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:10:36am |
re: #440 LudwigVanQuixote
Our energy policy isn't much of a policy so much as a joke.
It's my belief that nuclear is the way to go and that the Administrations - both D and R have botched this so royally that we're stuck with the status quo. A price shock might get more action, but as we're seeing, the Administration appears willing to set aside millions of acres out West for no development, including for wind and solar power; California's Sen. Feinstein wants the Administration to declare 2 million acres of prime wind/solar power lands as national monuments to thwart that development.
I would have been far happier with the ARRA of 2009 had it included hundreds of billions for actual infrastructure construction and nuclear energy guarantees - such as funds for the construction of dozens of new nuclear plants, a national repository, or alternative plans to deal with high and low level nuclear wastes that now sit at hundreds of sites - many adjacent to the very nuclear plants and are not nearly as secure as they should be because they were never meant to be a permanent solution. That would have been money well spent - and gone to not only wean us off oil, but promoted clean energy in the process. A natural twofer.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:11:02am |
re: #453 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm quite sure they can find some text to use.
It's pretty hard. Otherwise, I'd be a Wiccan.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:11:17am |
re: #324 badger1970
Good morning and a truism quote if I ever saw one.
It sees the rabid Amarillo Armadillos is still a hot topic.
BTW, my husband suggests that an armadillo sin is to look both ways before crossing the road. The devout armadillo puts its trust in God, and does not check to see if a sixteen-wheeler is coming.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:11:55am |
re: #461 sattv4u2
NIMBYS are a strong political force. They bring both ends and the middle of the spectrum together
Yes they are. The oil lobby and their pet politicians - many of which are bought signed seald and delivered from the GOP is a bigger factor.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:13:16am |
re: #453 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm quite sure they can find some text to use.
Let me dust off some records here in the Holy Office.
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lawhawk Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:13:23am |
re: #469 LudwigVanQuixote
By the same token, the NIMBYots get support from the EDF, Sierra Club, the PIRGs, etc, who don't want development at any price and are willing to thwart clean energy projects.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:13:29am |
re: #469 LudwigVanQuixote
Yes they are. The oil lobby and their pet politicians - many of which are bought signed seald and delivered from the GOP is a bigger factor.
{sigh} ,, yup ,, it's ONLY the "GOP" that has ever accepted money/favors/votes from the 'oil lobby"!
un huh!
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:13:30am |
re: #469 LudwigVanQuixote
Yes they are. The oil lobby and their pet politicians - many of which are bought signed seald and delivered from the GOP is a bigger factor.
Hey, now. Republicans didn't band together and ban nuclear power plant construction in California or Illinois...
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:13:47am |
re: #467 Aceofwhat?
It's pretty hard. Otherwise, I'd be a Wiccan.
My sister in law is a wiccan, a vocal wiccan. I'd almost rather tell people she's a Scientologist. It's embarrassing being in public with her.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:13:50am |
re: #453 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm quite sure they can find some text to use.
Oh they do. This was the point I was making in the "Army of G-d" thread last night to Windsword.
"Christians" have no problem delving back into the Hebrew civil laws when it suits their purpose.
So, a lot of these "Army of G-D" groups, sects like the Identity movement and the Covenant movement, see themselves as proto-jews, and the inheritors of the "promises."
This allows them to mix and match text, knight-jump all through the various theological trains of thought, and end up with all the justification they need for just about any concept they want to bring forth.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:13:53am |
re: #459 Alouette
Paul Newman's half Jewish, Goldie Hawn's half too,
Put them together, what a fine-looking Jew
-Adam Sandler
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:14:43am |
re: #460 Cato the Elder
I learned shameless self-promotion from a master here. And I need the work. Gimme some or get off my back! ;^)
No you didn't... if you had learned anything, you would have mentioned my NAME... go sit down in the back of the class.
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Bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:14:52am |
re: #265 idioma
NO: I don't want Israel to cease to exist.
But unless something drastic happens soon, an Arab nuclear weapon is going to find it's way into Israel, and that is not an outcome anyone should find favorable. Millions will die, and the potential for a global war is very high. All of this is over 8,000 sq miles of desert. This is highly unfortunate.
You are blaming the victim for the aggressor's hostility. You also show ignorance of the true situation, the current thread is Iranian nuclear weapons, nor Arab, they are different peoples.
Your saying "All of this is over 8,000 sq miles of desert" displays extreme ignorance of Israel, its geography, people and history.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:15:04am |
Democrats Tap Levin to Replace Rangel on Ways and Means Committee
Rep. Sander Levin has been tapped to replace Charlie Rangel as chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, after Democratic lawmakers had second thoughts about elevating another lawmaker who was technically next in line to the post.
Levin, a Michigan Democrat, was talked about as a potential replacement Wednesday shortly after Rangel announced he would step down amid a wide-ranging ethics probe. But then New York Rep. Pete Stark, the next most-senior member to Rangel on the panel, emerged as the favored candidate.
This decision, however, had many Democrats fretting, since Stark was seen by some as too volatile to lead such an important committee. His racially, sexually and politically charged remarks have gotten him in trouble in the past.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:15:26am |
re: #475 RogueOne
My sister in law is a wiccan, a vocal wiccan. I'd almost rather tell people she's a Scientologist. It's embarrassing being in public with her.
If I thought the Bible was contradictory, hateful, and illogical, I'd pick a religion where the women occasionally dance naked around fires.
I may not be noble, but i'm honest!!!
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:15:45am |
re: #385 NJDhockeyfan
Better they be dead than live like that?
If they defy the family, they often are dead.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:16:23am |
I usually ignore the politicians DUI sorties but this one has a twist....
Roy Ashburn ARRESTED: Anti-Gay State Sen. Got DUI After Leaving Gay Nightclub, Sources Say
Early Wednesday morning, State Sen. Roy Ashburn (R-Calif.) was pulled over and arrested for drunk driving. Sources report that Ashburn -- a fierce opponent of gay rights -- was driving drunk after leaving a gay nightclub; when the officer stopped the state-issued vehicle, there was an unidentified man in the passenger seat of the car.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:16:28am |
re: #482 Aceofwhat?
If I thought the Bible was contradictory, hateful, and illogical, I'd pick a religion where
theCERTAIN onally dance naked around fires.I may not be noble, but i'm honest!!!
lets be 100% "honest"
/
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:16:50am |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:17:08am |
re: #390 RogueOne
They are allowed to travel with permission from the senior male in their family, either their father or their husband. If they aren't around then the oldest male member of the family can fill in.
How goddamn liberal of them.
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:17:24am |
re: #457 NJDhockeyfan
LOL...all you have to do is look at the WH. They set the standard on flip-flops.
Well, that I'm not going to agree with, obv, but have an upding anyway. :)
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:17:40am |
re: #466 lawhawk
Our energy policy isn't much of a policy so much as a joke.
It's my belief that nuclear is the way to go and that the Administrations - both D and R have botched this so royally that we're stuck with the status quo. A price shock might get more action, but as we're seeing, the Administration appears willing to set aside millions of acres out West for no development, including for wind and solar power; California's Sen. Feinstein wants the Administration to declare 2 million acres of prime wind/solar power lands as national monuments to thwart that development.
I would have been far happier with the ARRA of 2009 had it included hundreds of billions for actual infrastructure construction and nuclear energy guarantees - such as funds for the construction of dozens of new nuclear plants, a national repository, or alternative plans to deal with high and low level nuclear wastes that now sit at hundreds of sites - many adjacent to the very nuclear plants and are not nearly as secure as they should be because they were never meant to be a permanent solution. That would have been money well spent - and gone to not only wean us off oil, but promoted clean energy in the process. A natural twofer.
OK. So of course you are correct that both parties are to blame.
A dear friend of mine who is very Democrat, I think said it best.
She said:
The problem with the Democrats is that they have too many politicians - people who are politicians first and out for themselves first. When they are in control, they fracture because all too many of them are now trying to cash in on their own goals.
The GOP leaders actually believe the crap they spout much more often. The fact that the GOP philosophy is morally bankrupt, anti-science and backwards does not stop them from being organized and disciplined.
Short form, the Dems are whores who were bought by many different groups, but in their moments of conscience when they try to do right, they always shoot themselves in the foot because they can not get their act together.
The GOP are very good at marching - and even goose stepping together.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:17:57am |
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sattv4u2 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:18:08am |
re: #482 Aceofwhat?
If I thought the Bible was contradictory, hateful, and illogical, I'd pick a religion where
theCERTAIN women occasionally dance naked around fires.I may not be noble, but i'm honest!!!
lets be 100% "honest"
/
pimf
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:18:26am |
re: #481 NJDhockeyfan
Isn't Pete Stark the guy who said something like "Just like every other day and event which is good for America...and thus bad for Democrats"?
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:19:15am |
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Jadespring Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:19:22am |
re: #453 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm quite sure they can find some text to use.
The one that I see used most frequently is Leviticus 20:13.
In this case of Rogues asking to prove that some people believe or want this I would suggest google is your friend. If my old laptop was still working I would provide links that I had collected numerous discussions and a few boards where such discussion are common for this very directive to be legally implemented. This and imprisonment and sometimes execution for other sins such as adultery. I'm in a pretty good mood today though so don't feel like taking the time myself to delve into the darkness of that sort of crap to find some examples.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:20:21am |
re: #411 RogueOne
Travel there for yourself, but take Jimmah with you, and you'll see what I'm saying. It's just their culture and has been for centuries. Their religion is at the top of the totem pole for them.
I don't mean to say that ALL women love it there, quite a few don't but they aren't the majority by far. Their view of all the restrictions placed on them is it's a sign of respect and protection. How else can you explain all the multiple wives, the willingness to subjugate themselves to their men, to have to wear heavy robes and head coverings. It is what it is and that's what it takes to make it to heaven.
Wow. Just WOW.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:20:29am |
In selling the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act—otherwise known as the economic stimulus—to the American public last year, the Obama administration promised that the massive spending package would serve as a sort of Keynesian Red Bull, allowing the tired economy to keep partying hard by pumping up GDP and trapping unemployment in single digits. Or, as the administration put it in January 2009, the bill was to create or save three to four million jobs over the next two years, with over 90 percent of those jobs in the private sector.
Instead, the economy reacted like it just downed a glass of whiskey and warm milk: Private sector output fell sharply, and last fall, the unemployment rate hit 10.2 percent.
Yet the Obama administration continues to defend the stimulus, aided in no small part by legally required reports issued by the Congressional Budget Office. But those reports rely on assumption-packed models that effectively predetermine their outcomes; what they say, in essence, is that the stimulus worked because we assume it did.
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:20:45am |
re: #487 SanFranciscoZionist
How goddamn liberal of them.
Don't blame me, it's not my religion. I was just making a small correction. BTW, obdicut was mistaken on his post. Women are allowed to walk down the street by themselves...as long as they're dressed appropriately. Women aren't allowed to drive but when you can get a male illegal from somewhere in asia for $50/mo and have them sleep on a mat in the kitchen you can get around.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:20:50am |
re: #489 LudwigVanQuixote
OK. So of course you are correct that both parties are to blame.
A dear friend of mine who is very Democrat, I think said it best.
She said:
The problem with the Democrats is that they have too many politicians - people who are politicians first and out for themselves first. When they are in control, they fracture because all too many of them are now trying to cash in on their own goals.
The GOP leaders actually believe the crap they spout much more often. The fact that the GOP philosophy is morally bankrupt, anti-science and backwards does not stop them from being organized and disciplined.
Short form, the Dems are whores who were bought by many different groups, but in their moments of conscience when they try to do right, they always shoot themselves in the foot because they can not get their act together.
The GOP are very good at marching - and even goose stepping together.
The solution? GOP leaders who get the science and can naturally be trusted to be organized and disciplined!
Another conversion!
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sattv4u2 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:21:40am |
re: #489 LudwigVanQuixote
A dear friend of mine who is very Democrat, I think said it best.
I'm shocked, I tell ya
/
gggeeezzz
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:21:57am |
re: #417 NJDhockeyfan
Bullshit. Our country gives money to many countries. I do not believe we are responsible for any of their actions. What happened to personal responsibility?
I don't know. What DID happen to personal responsibility? You really think we can support a regime with our power and our cash and feel no responsibility for it?
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Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:22:03am |
re: #479 Walter L. Newton
No you didn't... if you had learned anything, you would have mentioned my NAME... go sit down in the back of the class.
What makes you think I was talking about you, you big egotist? ;^)
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:22:51am |
re: #495 SanFranciscoZionist
Wow. Just WOW.
I know, I know. It's different but it is what it is. You guys think I'm crazy when I say there is a large chunk of their population that think the saudi government is too lax in their religious obligations but I'm dead serious.
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:22:54am |
re: #458 reine.de.tout
OK!
I'll try it.
Thanks.
At this point, I think I'd prefer to limit who can start topics, etc., but I'll check this out!
I believe it does have settings allowing you to limit that. I think I know a few other free forum sites as well-- I'll do a little research and email you later today.
It will handle all the issues you mentioned though. Also, you could always host a free website for the community with the service you mentioned, but shut off all comments and have a permanent link in the sidebar to your forum for discussion.
This would solve the google/publicity problem, and then you wouldn't have to pay for bandwidth at all (unless the forum membership/traffic gets really big, but again, you can limit that in various ways).
I'm sure loads of people here will have more (and better) advice too, but I'll get some info for you and email you tonight if you like (or tomorrow am).
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sattv4u2 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:22:55am |
re: #501 Cato the Elder
What makes you think I was talking about you, you big egotist? ;^)
it's ALWAYS about Walter!
/
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Decatur Deb Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:23:05am |
re: #489 LudwigVanQuixote
OK. So of course you are correct that both parties are to blame.
A dear friend of mine who is very Democrat, I think said it best.
She said:
The problem with the Democrats is that they have too many politicians - people who are politicians first and out for themselves first. When they are in control, they fracture because all too many of them are now trying to cash in on their own goals.
The GOP leaders actually believe the crap they spout much more often. The fact that the GOP philosophy is morally bankrupt, anti-science and backwards does not stop them from being organized and disciplined.
Short form, the Dems are whores who were bought by many different groups, but in their moments of conscience when they try to do right, they always shoot themselves in the foot because they can not get their act together.
The GOP are very good at marching - and even goose stepping together.
I ain't marching any more.
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Locker Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:23:48am |
re: #460 Cato the Elder
I learned shameless self-promotion from a master here. And I need the work. Gimme some or get off my back! ;^)
If you are a gun for hire then perhaps I can use some targeted marking in the areas of Marijuana Legalization, Single Payer Healthcare and Arsenal Football. Salary is competitive (if you are in the lemonaide stand business) and perks include unlimited BBQ and free internet porn!
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:24:50am |
In case anyone is interested, and missed this link, on 03-01-2010, the British Parliament had a hearing on the CRU hacked material dust up and a number of climate scientist took questions and testified, including the head of the CRU Dr. Phil Jones.
It was an interesting and fair session, and in my opinion, on the science side of things, the scientist came came across very positive.
There were a number of problematic areas that came up, mainly in process, procedure and policy at the CRU, but in general, it was a balanced hearing.
The whole transcript is here...
THE DISCLOSURE OF CLIMATE DATA FROM THE CLIMATIC RESEARCH UNIT AT THE UNIVERSITY OF EAST ANGLIA
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:25:18am |
re: #472 lawhawk
By the same token, the NIMBYots get support from the EDF, Sierra Club, the PIRGs, etc, who don't want development at any price and are willing to thwart clean energy projects.
Absolutely true.
I run into many interesting folks on campus.
I was trying to explain to someone that a hydrogen economy is not feasible unless you have a lot of energy available to strip hydrogen off of water.
The person continued with how hydrogen would be a panacea. I agreed that it was one very good way to go - if you had a fission or fusion plant feeding the process. No one ever seems to get basic thermodynamics.
When I said Fission plant or fusion plant, they started asking questions about how such a thing would work.
On a hunch, I described how a fission plant would work, using words like heavy element instead of uranium, and neutron induced energy release instead of splitting nuclei. They were all for it. Then someone said to them "Wait! He's talking about nuclear reactors!"
My experiment was correct. If you even say the word nuclear, people flip out.
As to other technologies, I really did read that something like 90% of all wind initiatives in Britain are currently held up by local people who do not want to see the turbines.
Yeas that is nice, you have to get your power from somewhere.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:25:53am |
re: #503 iceweasel
I believe it does have settings allowing you to limit that. I think I know a few other free forum sites as well-- I'll do a little research and email you later today.
It will handle all the issues you mentioned though. Also, you could always host a free website for the community with the service you mentioned, but shut off all comments and have a permanent link in the sidebar to your forum for discussion.
This would solve the google/publicity problem, and then you wouldn't have to pay for bandwidth at all (unless the forum membership/traffic gets really big, but again, you can limit that in various ways).I'm sure loads of people here will have more (and better) advice too, but I'll get some info for you and email you tonight if you like (or tomorrow am).
OT: thanks for referring me back to the other overnight thread. good continuation of the discussion. whenever we get back around to it again, my question for Jimmah would be "what prevents us now from overriding our 'instinct for good' (his words), having recognized it as nothing more than an ancient evolutionary impulse?"
but we can do this another time. just wanted to thank you for following up with me-
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:26:21am |
re: #501 Cato the Elder
What makes you think I was talking about you, you big egotist? ;^)
It doesn't matter... that was the shameless self promoter working in fine form... learn something.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:26:56am |
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:27:18am |
re: #461 sattv4u2
re: #489 LudwigVanQuixote
Love to see this poll
There will be an electric generating plant built 1 mile from you. !/3rd of the time you are downwind.
Which kind are you most comfortable with?
Coal/Oil
Natural Gas/Methane
Nuclear Fission (sorry folks I'm sticking with existing tech, no fusion yet)
Geothermal
Wind
Solar
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:28:26am |
No, Really, He Put Eliot Spitzer in His Ads, Touting His Integrity
Wow. An Eric Massa campaign ad, featuring Eliot Spitzer, where they talk about what they're going to do together, including "clean up waste, fraud, and abuse in government." The ad touts their "integrity" and "respect."
Heh. Politics.
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lawhawk Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:28:40am |
re: #508 LudwigVanQuixote
In NJ, there are a couple of wind projects in the pipeline. The marketing campaign to get it done involved studies to see what would be acceptable to locals - whether it was 1,3,5, or 10 miles over the horizon. Clearly winning was over the horizon (out of sight, out of mind), but they decided on a siting that would be barely visible from shore - because the costs become prohibitive the further out to sea you get.
The marketing has hit on the best way to get new power plants is to convince people that the source of that power is not seen.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:30:54am |
re: #502 RogueOne
I know, I know. It's different but it is what it is. You guys think I'm crazy when I say there is a large chunk of their population that think the saudi government is too lax in their religious obligations but I'm dead serious.
No, I don't think you're crazy, and to a large extent, I understand what you are saying, although I personally believe the degree of social coercion largely invalidates the piety. I am, however, getting whiplash. You see, I spend a lot of time on this site and others hearing about how we had to invade Afghanistan to save the women. And I hear about how France and Britain need to ban the niqab to save the women. And now, forgive me, I'm hearing from a number of people about how Saudi is an OK ally because, well, it's just their culture, and they didn't kill as many people as Saddam.
Whiplash. I'm not even saying right or wrong, or partly right. Just whiplash.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:31:03am |
re: #515 lawhawk
In NJ, there are a couple of wind projects in the pipeline. The marketing campaign to get it done involved studies to see what would be acceptable to locals - whether it was 1,3,5, or 10 miles over the horizon. Clearly winning was over the horizon (out of sight, out of mind), but they decided on a siting that would be barely visible from shore - because the costs become prohibitive the further out to sea you get.
The marketing has hit on the best way to get new power plants is to convince people that the source of that power is not seen.
In Virginia there was a windmill project stopped because environmentalists went to court and claimed the blades would kill birds & bats.
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windsword Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:31:22am |
re: #510 lawhawk
Sharpton's just trying to broker a deal that'll keep Patterson in office. Despite pretty much everyone else saying he should get out. I wouldn't exactly call him the voice of reason.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:31:47am |
re: #513 Rightwingconspirator
re: #489 LudwigVanQuixote
Love to see this poll
There will be an electric generating plant built 1 mile from you. !/3rd of the time you are downwind.Which kind are you most comfortable with?
Coal/Oil
Natural Gas/Methane
Nuclear Fission (sorry folks I'm sticking with existing tech, no fusion yet)
Geothermal
Wind
Solar
Who builds the nuke, the Navy or the mafia?
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sattv4u2 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:31:47am |
re: #513 Rightwingconspirator
re: #489 LudwigVanQuixote
Love to see this poll
There will be an electric generating plant built 1 mile from you. !/3rd of the time you are downwind.Which kind are you most comfortable with?
Coal/Oil
Natural Gas/Methane
Nuclear Fission (sorry folks I'm sticking with existing tech, no fusion yet)
Geothermal
Wind
Solar
In order of preference
1) Nuclear (I lived within a few miles of two different nuke plants at times,,, one in southern New Hampshire and one south shore of Massachusetts)
Natural gas
Coal/ Oil
Can't include the other three yet as they are not as of yet viable for large urban areas, imho
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:32:13am |
re: #517 NJDhockeyfan
So we can have them die from their climate disappearing. Nice. We have a classic clash of priorities here. Can we send Al Gore to get the Sierra Club to back off?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:32:14am |
re: #515 lawhawk
In NJ, there are a couple of wind projects in the pipeline. The marketing campaign to get it done involved studies to see what would be acceptable to locals - whether it was 1,3,5, or 10 miles over the horizon. Clearly winning was over the horizon (out of sight, out of mind), but they decided on a siting that would be barely visible from shore - because the costs become prohibitive the further out to sea you get.
The marketing has hit on the best way to get new power plants is to convince people that the source of that power is not seen.
Yeah, bloody brilliant that is. This is where the entrenched stupid begins to make me miserable.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:32:27am |
re: #513 Rightwingconspirator
re: #489 LudwigVanQuixote
Love to see this poll
There will be an electric generating plant built 1 mile from you. !/3rd of the time you are downwind.Which kind are you most comfortable with?
Coal/Oil
Natural Gas/Methane
Nuclear Fission (sorry folks I'm sticking with existing tech, no fusion yet)
Geothermal
Wind
Solar
3rd gen or newer Fission. easy answer.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:32:41am |
re: #472 lawhawk
By the same token, the NIMBYots get support from the EDF, Sierra Club, the PIRGs, etc, who don't want development at any price and are willing to thwart clean energy projects.
Boy, did I get a dose of that while living in Western Massachusetts this winter.
There was a biomass plant proposed in one of the bigger towns. Carbon-neutral and new jobs.
The man with the plan ended up with his face on Western-style "Wanted" posters. Dead or alive. For crimes against the environment.
Screw the ecofascists and the Prii they rode in on.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:32:50am |
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:33:41am |
re: #514 NJDhockeyfan
No, Really, He Put Eliot Spitzer in His Ads, Touting His Integrity
Heh. Politics.
Same Eric Massa under investigation for having harassed a staffer? doesn't that make him a republican? i thought the GOP was the morally bankrupt party//
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:33:50am |
re: #484 Killgore Trout
I presume the press release has already come out from his office saying that he was simply there doing research.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:34:05am |
re: #524 Cato the Elder
Boy, did I get a dose of that while living in Western Massachusetts this winter.
There was a biomass plant proposed in one of the bigger towns. Carbon-neutral and new jobs.
The man with the plan ended up with his face on Western-style "Wanted" posters. Dead or alive. For crimes against the environment.
Screw the ecofascists and the Prii they rode in on.
Gotta save the one eared spotted snail darter!
/
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:34:54am |
re: #526 Aceofwhat?
Same Eric Massa under investigation for having harassed a staffer? doesn't that make him a republican? i thought the GOP was the morally bankrupt party//
He's a plant by the GOP. Rove you magnificent...
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:36:07am |
re: #520 sattv4u2
I do not exclude the possibility of geothermal regardless of location. My guess is you could do that everywhere you find hot springs. Yellowstone has enough energy to obliterate our civilization if it goes mega volcano. Surely some rarely visited part should be re dedicated to saving the freaking climate!
The worst impact would be construction and roads. After that its clean.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:36:21am |
re: #524 Cato the Elder
Boy, did I get a dose of that while living in Western Massachusetts this winter.
There was a biomass plant proposed in one of the bigger towns. Carbon-neutral and new jobs.
The man with the plan ended up with his face on Western-style "Wanted" posters. Dead or alive. For crimes against the environment.
Screw the ecofascists and the Prii they rode in on.
Here's one of the big road blocks in itself... from March 2010 Scientific America...
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sattv4u2 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:36:58am |
re: #526 Aceofwhat?
Same Eric Massa under investigation for having harassed a staffer? doesn't that make him a republican? i thought the GOP was the morally bankrupt party//
now now nwo ,, you know the talking point
The dems don't tout themselves as the family/God/country/morals party, so they are not 'hypocrits" when they get caught with their ,,.,welll ,,, something in the something!
:)
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:37:00am |
University of California campus erupts in riots
Students at the University of California’s flagship Berkeley campus took to the streets on Friday night, vandalizing university buildings, burning trash cans and clashing with police in the latest expression of frustration over cuts to the educational budget in California.
In November, the University of California Board of Regents voted to raise tuition by 32 percent. At the same time, professors were asked to take pay cuts or be furloughed, classes were eliminated and class size increased. Protests erupted across the University of California system, particularly at UC Davis and UCLA.
The first tuition hikes took place in January, and since then tensions have been on the rise.
“Nobody planned what happened, but anger erupts when it has been building for so long. That’s what happens,” said Callie Maidhof, a student activist at UC Berkeley. “[The regents] are effectively closing off the campus, making it less accessible, and those already here are getting less out of their education.”
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Decatur Deb Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:37:08am |
re: #525 Rightwingconspirator
Navy!
Paging Hoosier Hoops! Paging...
I'm all for rigidly controlled nukes--no lowest bidder, no Enron marketers, no coerced welders. It's not something you can screw up twice. Note nuclear power increases the impetus for "big government" control.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:37:19am |
re: #528 sattv4u2
Gotta save the one eared spotted snail darter!
/
No... I think it's the one eyed spotted snail darter
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sattv4u2 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:38:12am |
re: #530 Rightwingconspirator
I do not exclude the possibility of geothermal regardless of location. My guess is you could do that everywhere you find hot springs. Yellowstone has enough energy to obliterate our civilization if it goes mega volcano. Surely some rarely visited part should be re dedicated to saving the freaking climate!
The worst impact would be construction and roads. After that its clean.
I don't see how it can be delivered efficiantly in a large urban setting
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lawhawk Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:38:18am |
re: #518 windsword
Sharpton's just trying to broker a deal that'll keep Patterson in office. Despite pretty much everyone else saying he should get out. I wouldn't exactly call him the voice of reason.
He's angling for a power-broker position, which fits his MO. With the mess in Harlem with Rangel and that the CBC didn't back Rangel amid all the allegations to stop the matter, it looks like the black leaders aren't exactly going to back Paterson either. Everyone is reading the tea leaves, and no one wants to tie themselves to a sinking ship - either Paterson or Rangel. I expect the outcome of tonight's meeting to be one of agnosticism - stating that the governor is still in charge, but that everyone awaits a prompt and judicious handling of the myriad complaints of criminal and ethical violations. It won't be a vote of support that Paterson needs, and if additional revelations surface, Paterson will be toast.
As it is, it now appears that the signature on the backdated check to the Yankees was forged. The CPI already found that Paterson lied under oath about that check.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:38:36am |
re: #535 Walter L. Newton
No... I think it's the one eyed spotted snail darter
left or right? You do know they are two different species!!
//
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:39:35am |
re: #532 sattv4u2
now now nwo ,, you know the talking point
The dems don't tout themselves as the family/God/country/morals party, so they are not 'hypocrits" when they get caught with their ,,.,welll ,,, something in the something!
:)
It's not a bad talking point. Although, if John Garamendi, 'the Proven Democrat' gets caught with his something in something, I'm going to be very annoyed. His ad assured me that he's happy married, and has golden retrievers.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:39:37am |
Back to the Stone Age! The Neanderthal lifestyle is the only sustainable one!
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Ojoe Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:39:45am |
The White House in now making excuses based on snow storms.
*lugie*
*link*
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:40:10am |
re: #524 Cato the Elder
Boy, did I get a dose of that while living in Western Massachusetts this winter.
There was a biomass plant proposed in one of the bigger towns. Carbon-neutral and new jobs.
The man with the plan ended up with his face on Western-style "Wanted" posters. Dead or alive. For crimes against the environment.
Screw the ecofascists and the Prii they rode in on.
If I remember my declensions correctly, and "Prius" is nominative, second declension, then IMHO it would be:
Screw the ecofascists and the Prios they rode in on.
Accusative, plural, n'est-ce pas?
Pedantic²
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:40:20am |
re: #535 Walter L. Newton
No... I think it's the one eyed spotted snail darter
It's the one-eyed, one-eared, flying purple people-eating snail darter.
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wrenchwench Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:40:57am |
re: #436 oldegeezr
Sorry, oldgeezr. One of your links is uses questionable sources (Rense?!?) and the other has no sources at all. I'm interested in the story, but I'd like to see something reliable about it.
My sympathies on the age related issues. I used to have a friend who would say to me, "Don't get old." And I'd say to her, "It beats the alternative." She would never answer that, but I won't forget the look she gave me.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:40:59am |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:41:10am |
re: #540 Cato the Elder
Back to the Stone Age! The Neanderthal lifestyle is the only sustainable one!
There's already a group of people who base their diet on that.
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:41:24am |
re: #516 SanFranciscoZionist
No, I don't think you're crazy, and to a large extent, I understand what you are saying, although I personally believe the degree of social coercion largely invalidates the piety. I am, however, getting whiplash. You see, I spend a lot of time on this site and others hearing about how we had to invade Afghanistan to save the women. And I hear about how France and Britain need to ban the niqab to save the women. And now, forgive me, I'm hearing from a number of people about how Saudi is an OK ally because, well, it's just their culture, and they didn't kill as many people as Saddam.
Whiplash. I'm not even saying right or wrong, or partly right. Just whiplash.
Not that you're suggesting I have but I've never made any of those arguments. I'm with Obdicut on the need to press the saudis to modernize and secularize their legal system but I'm not sure how much pressure is appropriate in their situation. SA is the centerpiece of their religion and it's never going to be what we consider "secular" but compared to the taliban rule in afghanistan I guess you could say they are much more relaxed in their view of the role of women.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:41:25am |
re: #532 sattv4u2
now now nwo ,, you know the talking point
The dems don't tout themselves as the family/God/country/morals party, so they are not 'hypocrits" when they get caught with their ,,.,welll ,,, something in the something!
:)
Quoting Ludwig's "Democratic friend". In jest, of course. (Simmer down, LVQ!!)
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sattv4u2 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:41:33am |
re: #539 SanFranciscoZionist
It's not a bad talking point. Although, if John Garamendi, 'the Proven Democrat' gets caught with his something in something, I'm going to be very annoyed. His ad assured me that he's happy married, and has golden retrievers.
And if there's one thing I've learned in my 56+ years,,,, we can trust a politicians 'ads"!!!
//
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:41:59am |
re: #520 sattv4u2
Why not small wind turbines on homes?
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sattv4u2 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:43:21am |
re: #550 Rightwingconspirator
Why not small wind turbines on homes?
cost/ benefit and again, you'll have the NIMBYS to deal with
((" I don't want to look out of my kitchen window and see THOSE on my neighbors houses")))
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:43:26am |
re: #536 sattv4u2
Like hydropower, you just wire it to the cities.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:43:39am |
re: #550 Rightwingconspirator
Why not small wind turbines on homes?
Because, in Baltimore at least, you can't get a zoning variance.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:44:12am |
The Rise and Fall of a Female Captain Bligh
A Navy admiral stripped Graf of her command of the Japan-based guided missile cruiser U.S.S. Cowpens in January. The just-released IG report concludes that Graf "repeatedly verbally abused her crew and committed assault" and accuses her of using her position as commander of the Cowpens "for personal gain." But old Navy hands tell TIME that those charges, substantiated in the
Read more: [Link: www.time.com...]
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sattv4u2 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:44:40am |
re: #552 Rightwingconspirator
Like hydropower, you just wire it to the cities.
no ,, it would have to be delivered via pipes (al a water ,,, natural gas). Something the diameter of wires won't do
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:44:50am |
I have the cough from heck going on.
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Ojoe Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:46:13am |
re: #550 Rightwingconspirator
Because bigger is more efficient on wind turbines, as is taller, where the wind blows unobstructed by ground obstacles.
For new homes, however passive solar design can save significant amounts of energy, and it is sustainable as long as the sun shines.
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:46:26am |
re: #556 SanFranciscoZionist
I have the cough from heck going on.
Careful, they just tested my mom for Whooping cough. I thought that was one of those old diseases people didn't get anymore. I've never heard of anyone having it.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:47:08am |
Confirmed: Fossil Ida is not a human ancestor
About a year ago we were stunned in the New Scientist offices to learn of a beautiful, 47-million-year-old primate fossil which was being hyped as the ancestor to all humans. Nicknamed "Ida", The Guardian newspaper hailed it as "the eighth wonder of the world".
The main reason we were stunned was because we were learning of this fabulous discovery through the media, not directly from an academic journal. Something smelt wrong (we were also peeved that we hadn't been told about it). And as soon as scientists and bloggers got their hands on the paper describing Darwinius masillae the dissent started.
Now an independent team has examined the fossil in detail. In a paper in the Journal of Human Evolution they strongly argue that Darwinius is not one of our ancestors.
Jørn Hurum of the University of Oslo, Norway, the palaeontologist who first described Darwinius and orchestrated the media blitz, had claimed the fossil was a haplorhine - a "dry-nosed" primate of the group that includes old world monkeys and apes (and humans).
Not so, says anthropologist Chris Kirk at at The University of Texas at Austin: it's a "wet-nosed" strepsirrhine primate, which include the lemurs and lorises.
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Eclectic Infidel Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:47:17am |
re: #486 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh, yeah, QUIT is special.
I've experienced the twits of QUIT here. They're unintelligible, pathetic, absurd, clueless and a host of other more colorful adjectives I won't mention here. They are a living, breathing example of irony (and pure stupid) in action.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:47:28am |
re: #555 sattv4u2
I meant high tension lines. The big ones. We have an interstate grid we can use and build on.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:47:50am |
re: #553 Cato the Elder
You said upthread you lived (at a time) in Western Massachusetts.
Where? (Mrs sattv was born and raised in Springfield and went to U Mass in Amherst)
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:48:27am |
re: #557 Ojoe
As long as the county or city or local CC&R does not stop you...
A question for anyone here in a gated or CC&R location-Could you cover your south roof with solar?
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windsword Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:48:34am |
re: #537 lawhawk
An agnostic position would work very well. But I would remind you that Sharpton's support of people essentially boils down to one thing, and it sure as hell isn't the content of their character. This is the man who still maintains that Tawana Brawley and the Duke accuser were telling the truth. I wouldn't be surprised if he clung to Rangel and Patterson to the bitter end.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:48:43am |
re: #547 RogueOne
Not that you're suggesting I have but I've never made any of those arguments. I'm with Obdicut on the need to press the saudis to modernize and secularize their legal system but I'm not sure how much pressure is appropriate in their situation. SA is the centerpiece of their religion and it's never going to be what we consider "secular" but compared to the taliban rule in afghanistan I guess you could say they are much more relaxed in their view of the role of women.
To a degree, yes. Still sucks almost beyond belief.
Like I said, not necessarily passing an opinion on your opinion, just intrigued by the layers and layers of how we assess these things.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:49:27am |
re: #561 Rightwingconspirator
I meant high tension lines. The big ones. We have an interstate grid we can use and build on.
I thought we were talking geothermal for heating etc,,, sorry
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:49:40am |
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:50:47am |
re: #559 NJDhockeyfan
Not so, says anthropologist Chris Kirk at at The University of Texas at Austin: it's a "wet-nosed" strepsirrhine primate, which include the lemurs and lorises.
Big lemur is ripping us off!
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albusteve Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:51:01am |
How many government officials does it take to replace ALL your light bulbs?
[Link: gregwalcher.wordpress.com...]
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:51:05am |
Facepalm of the day:
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Decatur Deb Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:51:15am |
re: #567 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm a little sad. I like Ida, and would be pleased to be descended from her.
You think your cough is bad? She was the snot-nosed primate.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:51:57am |
re: #556 SanFranciscoZionist
I have the cough from heck going on.
I can recommend Southern Comfort. Sip it.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:51:59am |
re: #567 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm a little sad. I like Ida, and would be pleased to be descended from her.
See, see... my pastor knew this right from the start... stick your godless evil-lution in your pipe and smoke it.
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Silvergirl Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:52:13am |
re: #554 albusteve
The Rise and Fall of a Female Captain Bligh
A Navy admiral stripped Graf of her command of the Japan-based guided missile cruiser U.S.S. Cowpens in January. The just-released IG report concludes that Graf "repeatedly verbally abused her crew and committed assault" and accuses her of using her position as commander of the Cowpens "for personal gain." But old Navy hands tell TIME that those charges, substantiated in theRead more: [Link: www.time.com...]
Amy Bishop on the high seas!
"Take your goddam attitude and shove it up your f______ ass and leave it there," she allegedly told an officer during a stressful maneuver aboard the 567-ft., 10,000-ton vessel.
Junior officers seeking her guidance were rebuffed. "This is one of the reasons I hate you," she allegedly told one who was seeking her help. When another officer visited her quarters to discuss an earlier heated discussion, her response was terse: "Get the f___ out of my stateroom." She allegedly told a male officer, "The only words I want to hear out of your mouth are 'Yes ma'am' or 'You're correct, ma'am.' " She also allegedly put a "well-respected master chief" in "time out" — standing in the ship's key control room doing nothing — "in front of other watch standers of all ranks."
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:52:24am |
re: #569 Killgore Trout
Big lemur is ripping us off!
The San Francisco Zoo has a great lemur enclosure. Trees, of course, and heaters they can hang out in front of when the weather gets cold.
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oldegeezr Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:52:50am |
re: #544 wrenchwench
Ah heck, ww…it has all been hashed out before. It was just a feeble attempt at early morning humor on my part?
“…My sympathies on the age related issues. I used to have a friend who would say to me, "Don't get old." And I'd say to her, "It beats the alternative." She would never answer that, but I won't forget the look she gave me.”
I’m assuming she meant, “stay young”?
As for you. that’s a very naughty thing to say to a geezer…kiddo!
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:53:07am |
re: #573 Cannadian Club Akbar
I can recommend Southern Comfort. Sip it.
I have to teach a class soon, but otherwise I'd take your advice.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:53:36am |
re: #575 Silvergirl
you just can't give a woman that much power
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:54:04am |
re: #554 albusteve
The Rise and Fall of a Female Captain Bligh
A Navy admiral stripped Graf of her command of the Japan-based guided missile cruiser U.S.S. Cowpens in January. The just-released IG report concludes that Graf "repeatedly verbally abused her crew and committed assault" ........[Link: www.time.com...]
Wow, she sounds old-school. I kinda like her except that whole "spitting in another officers face" part.
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Silvergirl Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:54:31am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:55:12am |
re: #578 SanFranciscoZionist
I have to teach a class soon, but otherwise I'd take your advice.
Well, a home remedy. But trust me.:)
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Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:55:24am |
re: #562 sattv4u2
You said upthread you lived (at a time) in Western Massachusetts.
Where? (Mrs sattv was born and raised in Springfield and went to U Mass in Amherst)
Near Deerfield. The big town in question is Greenfield. Exact location withheld for security reasons.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:56:04am |
Howard Dean: Health bill hangs Dem incumbents and Obama out to dry in elections
Passing the healthcare proposals before Congress will "hang out to dry" every Democratic incumbent running for reelection this fall, Howard Dean said Thursday.
Dean, a physician by training who's a former chairman of the Democratic National Committee (DNC), said that Democrats in Congress -- and President Barack Obama -- would do themselves more harm than good by passing the current healthcare bill.
"The plan, as it comes from the Senate, hangs out every Democrat who's running for office to dry -- including the president, in 2012, because it makes him defend a plan that isn't in effect essentially yet," Dean said during an appearance on the liberal Bill Press Radio Show.
Dean, who has clashed publicly with the White House over the healthcare proposals favored by the administration, said that by passing the bills under consideration, Democrats would essentially be conceding defeat to Republicans.
YEEEAAAHHHH!
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Unakite Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:56:08am |
re: #507 Walter L. Newton
In case anyone is interested, and missed this link, on 03-01-2010, the British Parliament had a hearing on the CRU hacked material dust up and a number of climate scientist took questions and testified, including the head of the CRU Dr. Phil Jones.
It was an interesting and fair session, and in my opinion, on the science side of things, the scientist came came across very positive.
There were a number of problematic areas that came up, mainly in process, procedure and policy at the CRU, but in general, it was a balanced hearing.
The whole transcript is here...
THE DISCLOSURE OF CLIMATE DATA FROM THE CLIMATIC RESEARCH UNIT AT THE UNIVERSITY OF EAST ANGLIA
Walter,
I know you did a little analysis of the CRU code a while ago. Here is a memorandum from the UK Parliament investigation dealing with the code. I don't know if you have seen this yet, but would be interested in your comments.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:56:35am |
re: #584 Cato the Elder
Near Deerfield. The big town in question is Greenfield. Exact location withheld for security reasons.
Gotchya!
shhhhhh
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:57:58am |
re: #567 SanFranciscoZionist
Heh. With some of our history considered, she may be feeling relieved about now...
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:58:44am |
re: #585 NJDhockeyfan
Howard Dean: Health bill hangs Dem incumbents and Obama out to dry in elections
YEEEAAAHHH!
but i thought they were popular with a majority of the electorate///
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Decatur Deb Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:59:18am |
re: #584 Cato the Elder
Cato--you gave me a hook to repost something from a dead overnight thread:
re: #620 irish rose
Hello Irish--I rarely catch you here. I just got up to read the overnights, and want to piggyback on your stalker comment. Some LGFer's who are concerned about stalkers of various sorts are a little too laid back. Most of us have posted enough personal details to make identification fairly easy. Just posting our birthdays removes a very large part of our "Security Through Obscurity". A determined stalker with any brains can cross-correlate a few dozen statements and get to within public-record reach of most identities. Our lizard ethic discouraging friendly ID questions should be reinforced. I'm not pushing paranoia, but our free expression is potentially threatened. (Just noted this thread is about dead. I'm posting now for later forwarding.)
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reine.de.tout Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:59:28am |
re: #503 iceweasel
I believe it does have settings allowing you to limit that. I think I know a few other free forum sites as well-- I'll do a little research and email you later today.
It will handle all the issues you mentioned though. Also, you could always host a free website for the community with the service you mentioned, but shut off all comments and have a permanent link in the sidebar to your forum for discussion.
This would solve the google/publicity problem, and then you wouldn't have to pay for bandwidth at all (unless the forum membership/traffic gets really big, but again, you can limit that in various ways).I'm sure loads of people here will have more (and better) advice too, but I'll get some info for you and email you tonight if you like (or tomorrow am).
merci!
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:59:34am |
Politics have come to this...
Dems plan 'pain' for GOP if they drag out health debate
Democrats plan "pain" for Republicans who seek to slow or block passage of healthcare legislation, Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) said Wednesday night.
Brown said that if Republicans try to offer amendments and use parliamentary maneuvers to grind out the legislative process, Democrats would retaliate with all-night sessions and other methods of fighting back.
"I think they're going to try to do amendments, as many as they can get away with," Brown said Wednesday evening during an appearance on MSNBC. "I think we keep them here all night -- tonight, the next night, the next night, the next night."
"If they're going to try to filibuster in the traditional sense or the more modern sense that they do, they're going to have pain, too," Brown added.
My twin 7 year old girls are more mature than that bunch in Washington.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 4, 2010 8:59:42am |
re: #588 Rightwingconspirator
Heh. With some of our history considered, she may be feeling relieved about now...
Too true. Lemurs are nicer than people, I have to admit.
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Eclectic Infidel Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:00:44am |
re: #575 Silvergirl
I hope she is stripped of her rank entirely and kicked out of the Navy. What a psycho.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:00:55am |
re: #586 Unakite
Walter,
I know you did a little analysis of the CRU code a while ago. Here is a memorandum from the UK Parliament investigation dealing with the code. I don't know if you have seen this yet, but would be interested in your comments.
I hadn't seen that memo to the British Parliament. I believed they received over 50 memos, which are basically requests to Parliament to submit questions to the parties that will be involved in the hearings.
None of these questions by the programmer John Graham-Cumming were used specifically in the 03-01-2010 hearing (I've read the entire transcript that I linked to above).
But, there were similar concerns/questions brought up during the proceedings.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:01:13am |
re: #556 SanFranciscoZionist
I have the cough from heck going on.
Careful...my pnemonia coughing spasms have left me with the serratus posterior from heck...
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Bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:01:31am |
re: #542 Aceofwhat?
If I remember my declensions correctly, and "Prius" is nominative, second declension, then IMHO it would be:
Screw the ecofascists and the Prios they rode in on.
Accusative, plural, n'est-ce pas?
Pedantic²
This could get ugly.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:03:19am |
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:04:05am |
A little paraphrase for those who like history.
Rommel was quoted, (and I am paraphrasing) as saying that every officer had two of four not mutually exclusive traits.
The traits are intelligence, industriousness, laziness and stupidity.
He said that if you have an officer who is intelligent and industrious, make him your chief of staff. Your troops will always be well supplied and all the details that keep an army going will be cared for.
If you have one who is intelligent but lazy, he rose to being an officer despite his laziness. He looks at the big picture. He understands what is important to worry about and what is not. Make him a general officer.
If you have one who is stupid and lazy he is useless. Send him to the Eastern front.
If you have one who is stupid and industrious though, be very careful. Those are the gestapo.
In our debates about wingnuts vs moonbats, I would point out that the moonbats are stupid and lazy, but the wingnuts are stupid and industrious.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:04:22am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:04:22am |
My radio just said President Obama might be in trouble with heath care
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:04:26am |
re: #586 Unakite
By the way, thanks for that link, great catch.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:04:41am |
re: #598 Decatur Deb
I love the smell of Greek fire in the morning.
Especially when it's roasting lamb!
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reine.de.tout Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:05:26am |
re: #601 Cannadian Club Akbar
My radio just said President Obama might be in trouble with heath care
I'm quite impressed your radio can talk.
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ryannon Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:05:51am |
re: #540 Cato the Elder
Back to the Stone Age! The Neanderthal lifestyle is the only sustainable one!
Well, they did last several hundred thousand years more than we (Cro- Magnons) have to date.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:05:52am |
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Silvergirl Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:06:03am |
re: #601 Cannadian Club Akbar
My radio just said President Obama might be in trouble with heath care
Smash your radio like the filthy teabagger it is. :-)
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:06:26am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:06:42am |
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reine.de.tout Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:07:27am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:07:28am |
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reine.de.tout Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:08:09am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:08:32am |
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Silvergirl Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:08:47am |
Must run to work.
Have a fabulous Thursday, Lizards one and all!
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:08:56am |
re: #610 reine.de.tout
Or the voices in your head?
I don't mind talking to myself. It's when I start answering myself that I get worried.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:08:57am |
re: #605 ryannon
It's just "Cirroc", your Honor.. and, yes, I'm ready.
[ approaches the jury box ]Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I'm just a caveman. I fell on some ice and later got thawed out by some of your scientists. Your world frightens and confuses me! Sometimes the honking horns of your traffic make me want to get out of my BMW...and run off into the hills, or wherever...
Sometimes when I get a message on my fax machine, I wonder: "Did little demons get inside and type it?" I don't know! My primitive mind can't grasp these concepts.
But there is one thing I do know - when a man like my client slips and falls on a sidewalk in front of a public library, then he is entitled to no less than two million in compensatory damages, and two million in punitive damages.
Thank you.
I miss Phil Hartman. sigh.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:09:02am |
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:09:08am |
re: #516 SanFranciscoZionist
There's a lot of underlying realpolitik going on. If the rhetoric flying around about what regimes should be propped up or turned over based upon human rights, terrorism support, etc. was consistent then there would have been a build-up and invasion of North Korea in the 1990s.
The political reality is that there wasn't enough political capital around then for such as invasion, just as there probably wasn't enough to do an Iraq invasion with the proper troop levels to generate a better post-invasion occupation and transition back to Iraqi civilian control of the country.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:09:08am |
Check out this great ad from Pedigree -
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:09:14am |
re: #605 ryannon
Well, they did last several hundred thousand years more than we (Cro- Magnons) have to date.
They had an exhibit some years ago at the SF science museum that included life-size dioramas of Neanderthals.
Very discreetly, they also put up one Neanderthal outside the diorama, standing by the emergency door, wearing jeans and a jacket and baseball cap. Very funny when you realized he wasn't another museum-goer.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:09:34am |
re: #612 reine.de.tout
Where is Cato?
He needs to post his gyro video.
Turning and turning in the widening gyro,
The falcon cannot hear the falconero
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Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:09:49am |
re: #605 ryannon
Well, they did last several hundred thousand years more than we (Cro- Magnons) have to date.
You should hear what the Creationists have to say when they read about Homo Erectus. Imagine, teh ghey converges with Evolution. Inconceivable!
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albusteve Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:09:59am |
Obama Drug Czar Not Consulted on Budget Cuts to Drug-Interdiction Operations
(CNSNews.com) – Top anti-narcotic officials in the Obama administration – including drug czar Gil Kerlikowske – told a House subcommittee on Wednesday they were not consulted about the proposed cuts to U.S. Coast Guard personnel and resources in the Homeland Security Department's proposed fiscal 2011 budget.
[Link: cnsnews.com...]
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:10:29am |
re: #599 LudwigVanQuixote
To continue the thought, I heard a liberal speaker at my campus.
I generally don't like this speaker, but I think he occaisionally makes some good points.
He said - and I like this:
The problem with us Dems (he assumed his audience was all Dems and most were) is that we are so lazy.
He said think about your typical corporate GOP "master of the universe."
His alarm goes off at 5:00 am sharp and he thinks, "how can I make more money by fucking someone over today?"
By 5:30 he has a plan.
By 6:00 it is a memo and by 8:00 when he rolls into work, the plan is set in motion.
By noon, it is a fait acompli, he and his shark buddies are congratulating themselves over an easy pillage.
That is just about the time we Dems are rolling out of bed and getting some coffee.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:10:45am |
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Bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:10:49am |
re: #586 Unakite
Walter,
I know you did a little analysis of the CRU code a while ago. Here is a memorandum from the UK Parliament investigation dealing with the code. I don't know if you have seen this yet, but would be interested in your comments.
Interesting:
1. Although the code I criticized on Newsnight was not the CRUTEM3 code the fact that the other code written at CRU was of low standard is relevant. My point on Newsnight was that it appeared that the organization writing the code did not adhere to standards one might find in professional software engineering. The code had easily identified bugs, no visible test mechanism, was not apparently under version control and was poorly documented. It would not be surprising to find that other code written at the same organization was of similar quality. And given that I subsequently found a bug in the actual CRUTEM3 code only reinforces my opinion.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:10:57am |
re: #615 thedopefishlives
I don't mind talking to myself. It's when I start answering myself that I get worried.
I have a habit of talking to myself, nay, having entire conversations with myself, out loud, while in public. I get focused on something and forget who/what is around me.
The really nice thing is that these days, folks just assume that I must have a phone headset on, and they don't look at me funny any more.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:11:03am |
re: #622 Mad Al-Jaffee
Turning and turning in the widening gyro,
The falcon cannot hear the falconero
My thing just fell apart.
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subsailor68 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:11:12am |
re: #594 eclectic infidel
I hope she is stripped of her rank entirely and kicked out of the Navy. What a psycho.
Hi E.I.! I served in submarines in the late 60's/early 70's. My first C.O. on the boats was W.J. Holland, Jr. I use his name for a very specific reason. Capt. Holland was a Naval officer who led by example. He was a man who made you want to do your best, and had absolutely no problem letting you know when you'd done well. In addition, on those rare occasions when one of his crew ended up before him at Captain's Mast (non-judicial punishment), he was fair, just, and expressed his displeasure by noting that he was disappointed, and was sure whatever the issue was would not come up again.
The crew on that boat had the highest morale I ever saw in my years in the Navy, and was the most terrific group of folks I ever had the pleasure of knowing.
It's unfortunate that Graf never had the opportunity of serving under Capt. (now Admiral-ret.) Holland.
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Hengineer Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:11:14am |
Ah, fast internet! Hanging down at a Starbucks on the waterfront in Chania on the island of Crete, Greece
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:11:25am |
re: #533 NJDhockeyfan
I'm curious about your choice of newsfeed for information you post. You seem to post something 2-3 days after the same event has been posted on a thread by someone else.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:11:38am |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:11:40am |
re: #628 reine.de.tout
I have a habit of talking to myself, nay, having entire conversations with myself, out loud, while in public. I get focused on something and forget who/what is around me.
The really nice thing is that these days, folks just assume that I must have a phone headset on, and they don't look at me funny any more.
I solve most programming problems out loud to myself. Funny thing is, at least one of my coworkers works the same way.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:11:41am |
re: #625 LudwigVanQuixote
To continue the thought, I heard a liberal speaker at my campus.
I generally don't like this speaker, but I think he occaisionally makes some good points.
He said - and I like this:
Don't quite get that one.
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:11:55am |
re: #618 oaktree
There's a lot of underlying realpolitik going on. If the rhetoric flying around about what regimes should be propped up or turned over based upon human rights, terrorism support, etc. was consistent then there would have been a build-up and invasion of North Korea in the 1990s.
N. Korea should have been dealt with 50 years ago. It's a stain on us and the rest of the free planet should be ashamed that we've allowed those people to suffer like that for half a century while sitting on our hands.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:12:57am |
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:13:35am |
re: #625 LudwigVanQuixote
To continue the thought, I heard a liberal speaker at my campus.
I generally don't like this speaker, but I think he occaisionally makes some good points.
He said - and I like this:By noon, it is a fait acompli, he and his shark buddies are congratulating themselves over an easy pillage.
That is just about the time we Dems are rolling out of bed and getting some coffee.
That's only because we've been up late, and we're worn out, by our busy schedule of having abortions, getting gay married, smoking pot, and hatin' America.
Also the orgies.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:13:58am |
re: #635 SanFranciscoZionist
Don't quite get that one.
My understanding was that people of my ilk are evil, but industrious.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:14:27am |
re: #639 iceweasel
That's only because we've been up late, and we're worn out, by our busy schedule of having abortions, getting gay married, smoking pot, and hatin' America.
Also the orgies.
The liberal agenda, right there in a nutshell.
/ / /
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:14:33am |
re: #639 iceweasel
That's only because we've been up late, and we're worn out, by our busy schedule of having abortions, getting gay married, smoking pot, and hatin' America.
Also the orgies.
I'm obviously in the wrong clubs. Is there a newsletter where I can subscribe?
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Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:14:52am |
re: #627 Bagua
And again, you're posting ridiculous claims made by people with axes to grind. I know you'd really really like to see the CRU's data and programs proven to be hoaxes. But they are not hoaxes. The data produced by the CRU has been corroborated by other completely independent sources, no matter how much you kick and scream and misrepresent the facts.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:15:16am |
re: #636 RogueOne
N. Korea should have been dealt with 50 years ago. It's a stain on us and the rest of the free planet should be ashamed that we've allowed those people to suffer like that for half a century while sitting on our hands.
I blame China...they poured over the Yau river like insects and decided right there that NK was their problem...so be it
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:15:25am |
re: #640 Aceofwhat?
My understanding was that people of my ilk are evil, but industrious.
And people of mine sleep till noon? I wish.
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:17:08am |
re: #644 albusteve
I blame China...they poured over the Yau river like insects and decided right there that NK was their problem...so be it
We should have forced the issue. N. Korea is my biggest argument against those that continually called for a "realist" foreign policy during the last administration. Turning a blind eye to the millions dying of starvation just to get along is pretty reprehensible in my book.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:17:30am |
Hi everyone. Fun news:
When you can't pass the test, change the rules:
[Link: www.oregonlive.com...]
Not enough sophomores in Oregon could pass the sophomore test, so they'll take it as a junior instead.
Which means that now we'll have juniors flunking a test that was written for sophomores.
My freshman just passed the reading portion of it with an "exceeds" grade, so I doubt it's all that hard.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:17:48am |
re: #586 Unakite
Walter,
I know you did a little analysis of the CRU code a while ago.
Walter's "analysis" consisted of picking out some comments and trying to claim that they showed problems in the code -- which they did. Problems that were FIXED. Walter showed absolutely nothing unusual or out place or even wrong -- he showed that the programmer debugged his code. There's no news in that. That's what programming is.
This forlorn hope that someone is going to find big problems in the CRU code is nothing but grasping at straws.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:18:07am |
re: #645 SanFranciscoZionist
And people of mine sleep till noon? I wish.
It's noon SOMEWHERE when you wake up ,, so,,,,,
//
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:18:07am |
re: #627 Bagua
dude. i think the CRU affair was horrible for the reputation of AGW. but i read almost 40 pages of the transcripts last night (in between attempts to be gentle with Idioma) and it seems excessively clear that the output, however miraculously, is solid...for the last time.
read the whole proceeding.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:18:37am |
re: #635 SanFranciscoZionist
Don't quite get that one.
He meant, that the Dems in general, and those with liberal values in general are neither organized or disciplined enough to put in the hard work of getting things done.
The GOP understands how to think strategically (in terms of politics at least) stays narrowly focussed and works hard.
Dems are all over the place.
That is not to say that there aren't hard working Dems - hard working in this case means focused hard work. And let's face it they are lazy.
They assumed that it was impossible to loose Ted Kennedy's seat. No need to get the message out.
They assumed that they could get healthcare sold to the public without even being able to define what their plan was first. Even now, if you ask two Dems what the healthcare plan is, you will get seven answers.
The GOP sends out a memo in the morning that the whole GOP reads.
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:19:09am |
re: #642 RogueOne
I'm obviously in the wrong clubs. Is there a newsletter where I can subscribe?
You are intrigued by my ideas, and wish to subscribe to our newsletter. I understand.
Your concern for civil libs and police abuses might just get you in!
Be advised that our Two Minute Hate is followed by the Four Hour Free Love, Comrade. Bad beat poetry optional.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:19:59am |
re: #639 iceweasel
That's only because we've been up late, and we're worn out, by our busy schedule of having abortions, getting gay married, smoking pot, and hatin' America.
Also the orgies.
Wait you have orgies?
And most of the babes in Hollywood are liberals...
Do you mean that if I turn fully Dem I might be able to get into an orgy with Natalie Portman? If so, sign me up!
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:20:23am |
re: #643 Charles
And again, you're posting ridiculous claims made by people with axes to grind. I know you'd really really like to see the CRU's data and programs proven to be hoaxes. But they are not hoaxes. The data produced by the CRU has been corroborated by other completely independent sources, no matter how much you kick and scream and misrepresent the facts.
Isn't that person an expert with personal knowledge of the facts in issue?
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:20:29am |
re: #632 oaktree
I'm curious about your choice of newsfeed for information you post. You seem to post something 2-3 days after the same event has been posted on a thread by someone else.
I post news stories new to me. Why?
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Bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:20:51am |
re: #643 Charles
And again, you're posting ridiculous claims made by people with axes to grind. I know you'd really really like to see the CRU's data and programs proven to be hoaxes. But they are not hoaxes. The data produced by the CRU has been corroborated by other completely independent sources, no matter how much you kick and scream and misrepresent the facts.
Actually Unakite posted that, my excerpt is a direct quote from the Memorandum submitted by John Graham-Cumming (CRU 55)
In what way was the CRU data "corroborated by other completely independent sources"? This process is only in the proposal stage and is expected to take 3 years and be a massive project.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:20:56am |
re: #643 Charles
And again, you're posting ridiculous claims made by people with axes to grind. I know you'd really really like to see the CRU's data and programs proven to be hoaxes. But they are not hoaxes. The data produced by the CRU has been corroborated by other completely independent sources, no matter how much you kick and scream and misrepresent the facts.
There are statements in this memo to Parliament from Professor Hans von Storch and Dr. Myles R. Allen... what axes do they have to grind?
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albusteve Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:21:09am |
WASHINGTON — The Obama administration will announce its plans for coastal oil and gas drilling leases by the end of March, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said Wednesday.
Salazar told the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee that he was preparing two plans to govern leases on the outer continental shelf — one with court-mandated changes that would apply through June 30, 2012, and another completely new blueprint for leasing from July 1, 2012, until 2017
not because it's the wise thing to do, but to clobber the industry for new taxes
[Link: www.chron.com...]
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:21:17am |
re: #647 EmmmieG
Hi everyone. Fun news:
When you can't pass the test, change the rules:
[Link: www.oregonlive.com...]
Not enough sophomores in Oregon could pass the sophomore test, so they'll take it as a junior instead.
Which means that now we'll have juniors flunking a test that was written for sophomores.
My freshman just passed the reading portion of it with an "exceeds" grade, so I doubt it's all that hard.
ugh. holding kids back can often be a genuinely transformative affair. Better a 20yr old legitimate HS graduate than an 18yr old moron.
For some reason, the Europeans understand this very well...my 6th grade finals in Belgium required us to study for a MONTH. and if we didn't pass, we repeated. period.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:21:22am |
re: #653 LudwigVanQuixote
Wait you have orgies?
And most of the babes in Hollywood are liberals...
Do you mean that if I turn fully Dem I might be able to get into an orgy with Natalie Portman?
Yeah, but Tim Robbins and Michael Moore get to join in.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:22:39am |
re: #659 Aceofwhat?
ugh. holding kids back can often be a genuinely transformative affair. Better a 20yr old legitimate HS graduate than an 18yr old moron.
For some reason, the Europeans understand this very well...my 6th grade finals in Belgium required us to study for a MONTH. and if we didn't pass, we repeated. period.
ButbutbutBUT... Don't they care about the children? What must this insistence on failure be doing to their delicate psyches?/
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:22:51am |
re: #659 Aceofwhat?
ugh. holding kids back can often be a genuinely transformative affair. Better a 20yr old legitimate HS graduate than an 18yr old moron.
For some reason, the Europeans understand this very well...my 6th grade finals in Belgium required us to study for a MONTH. and if we didn't pass, we repeated. period.
Yes, but this is the entire state moving the goalposts because they couldn't make their own goals.
I suppose it is better than dumbing down the test.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:23:01am |
How Nokia Helped Iran Persecute and Arrest Dissidents
I guess Siemens didn't get their fill of aiding murderous fascists during WWII.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:23:31am |
re: #652 iceweasel
You are intrigued by my ideas, and wish to subscribe to our newsletter. I understand.
Your concern for civil libs and police abuses might just get you in!
Be advised that our Two Minute Hate is followed by the Four Hour Free Love, Comrade. Bad beat poetry optional.
I don't look good in those little square/John Lennon/blue tinted/wire rimmed glasses!
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:23:32am |
re: #651 LudwigVanQuixote
Also: I'm a 'liberal', but I'm barely motivated to help the Democrats on most issues, since a lot of the time they're doing it wrong. Since the GOP is going to scream their heads off about anything the Democrats do, I do not understand why the Democrats keep crippling their ideas with compromise.
I am not saying that the Democrat's plans are great and flawless to start. They're not. However, I do not think synthesis is usually possible between those ideas and their diametric opposites, and attempts at it just wind up with weak, less effectual ideas.
I think the US respects the idea of competition; I think if the Democrats made a strong case for public option and single-payer, they could have gotten it through, and people would actually evaluate how well it was working.
It is not very motivating for me to donate money to the Democrats or work to get Democrats in general elected, when they are so tepid. Massachusetts is a good example of that.
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cliffster Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:23:42am |
Everybody quit complaining.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:23:44am |
re: #653 LudwigVanQuixote
Do you mean that if I turn fully Dem I might be able to get into an orgy with Natalie Portman? If so, sign me up!
Newbies start with Janeane Garafalo. Ya gotta work your way up.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:23:52am |
re: #646 RogueOne
We should have forced the issue. N. Korea is my biggest argument against those that continually called for a "realist" foreign policy during the last administration. Turning a blind eye to the millions dying of starvation just to get along is pretty reprehensible in my book.
it is, I'm just saying at the time of the war, everybody got the best deal considering the alternatives...it is unfinished business and waiting for NK to implode has cost the people misery beyond measure...what to do?
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:24:05am |
re: #656 Bagua
Actually Unakite posted that, my excerpt is a direct quote from the Memorandum submitted by John Graham-Cumming (CRU 55)
In what way was the CRU data "corroborated by other completely independent sources"? This process is only in the proposal stage and is expected to take 3 years and be a massive project.
Read the whole proceeding. The output ends up being vindicated. The damage to perception is fair game, IMHO, but this ain't my blog...
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albusteve Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:24:27am |
re: #658 albusteve
what's with all the boldness?....relax dude
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sattv4u2 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:24:44am |
re: #657 Walter L. Newton
There are statements in this memo to Parliament from Professor Hans von Storch and Dr. Myles R. Allen... what axes do they have to grind?
ummm,,, dull ones !?!?
(why else would someone grind one !?!?!)
//
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:24:58am |
re: #643 Charles
And again, you're posting ridiculous claims made by people with axes to grind. I know you'd really really like to see the CRU's data and programs proven to be hoaxes. But they are not hoaxes. The data produced by the CRU has been corroborated by other completely independent sources, no matter how much you kick and scream and misrepresent the facts.
And what axe does John Graham-Cumming have to grind, the author of the memo of questions to Parliament.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:25:00am |
re: #669 Aceofwhat?
The output had been so massively vindicated before the proceeding started that it is absolutely no surprise that it has, yet again, been vindicated.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:25:01am |
re: #667 Decatur Deb
Newbies start with
Janeane GarafaloHelen Thomas. Ya gotta work your way up.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:25:20am |
re: #662 EmmmieG
Yes, but this is the entire state moving the goalposts because they couldn't make their own goals.
I suppose it is better than dumbing down the test.
I agree, but best = hard test, fixed goalposts, and we'll see ya back in the same seat next year!
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:25:24am |
re: #651 LudwigVanQuixote
He meant, that the Dems in general, and those with liberal values in general are neither organized or disciplined enough to put in the hard work of getting things done.
The GOP understands how to think strategically (in terms of politics at least) stays narrowly focussed and works hard.
Dems are all over the place.
That is not to say that there aren't hard working Dems - hard working in this case means focused hard work. And let's face it they are lazy.
The GOP sends out a memo in the morning that the whole GOP reads.
I'd have agreed with you in a general way about the dems disorganisation-- 4 or more years ago.
I'd still agree that the elected Dems don't march in lockstep.
But you're wholly ignoring the VERY mobilised, VERY connected, VERY hardworking activist Dems, libs, and progressives that sprang up around 2004. We got Obama elected. We got the Netroots. We got Obama For America, and Organising For America.
We're not 'on message' like the GOP because we have a vastly bigger tent and as you correctly note, the old joke has always been ask 3 libs and get 4 opinions.
But we're kicking GOP ass still, most especially on the technology count, and don't dismiss us as 'lazy'-- or even call us "Dems", because many of us, if not most, don't even like the Dem Party.
/end Netroots/progressive grassroots network/activism rant.
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SixDegrees Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:25:26am |
re: #656 Bagua
Actually Unakite posted that, my excerpt is a direct quote from the Memorandum submitted by John Graham-Cumming (CRU 55)
In what way was the CRU data "corroborated by other completely independent sources"? This process is only in the proposal stage and is expected to take 3 years and be a massive project.
I believe what's being said here is that other, independent investigations, using similar though not identical datasets, have arrived at similar, though not identical conclusions to those published by the CRU. In other words, that there is broad agreement of results among many different researchers.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:25:32am |
re: #650 Aceofwhat?
dude. i think the CRU affair was horrible for the reputation of AGW. but i read almost 40 pages of the transcripts last night (in between attempts to be gentle with Idioma) and it seems excessively clear that the output, however miraculously, is solid...for the last time.
read the whole proceeding.
There's nothing "miraculous" or surprising about the fact that the data is solid. It always was solid. It was already checked, verified, and corroborated with other sources, because that's what scientists do.
But of course, the silly dishonest claims of the denial industry won't stop.
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cliffster Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:25:43am |
re: #666 cliffster
wow, I got 666 and I wasn't even trying. I better just go to bed.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:25:52am |
re: #667 Decatur Deb
Newbies start with
Janeane GarafaloHelen Thomas. Ya gotta work your way up.
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Bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:26:10am |
re: #643 Charles
And again, you're posting ridiculous claims made by people with axes to grind. I know you'd really really like to see the CRU's data and programs proven to be hoaxes. But they are not hoaxes. The data produced by the CRU has been corroborated by other completely independent sources, no matter how much you kick and scream and misrepresent the facts.
Here from that memorandum, we see that the MET Office acknowledged problems found by the author of that memorandum. Obviously the MET office does not find the claims "ridiculous".
3.2 A problem identified by an amateur computer analyst with estimates of average climate (not climate trends) affecting less than 1% of the HadCRUT data, mostly in Australasia, and some station identifiers being incorrect. These, it appears, were genuine issues with some of the input data (not analysis software) of HadCRUT which have been acknowledged by the Met Office and corrected. They do not affect trends estimated from the data, and hence have no bearing on conclusions regarding the detection and attribution of external influence on climate.
I am the 'computer analyst' mentioned in 3.2 who found the errors mentioned. I am also the person mentioned in 3.1 who looked at the code on Newsnight.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:26:41am |
re: #674 Mad Al-Jaffee
Newbies start with Helen Thomas. Ya gotta work your way up.
She one of ours? I thought she was a Whig.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:26:51am |
re: #679 cliffster
wow, I got 666 and I wasn't even trying. I better just go to bed.
Obdicut and Decatur Deb: The Neighbors of the Beast.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:26:53am |
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:27:08am |
re: #677 SixDegrees
And this was the case, obviously, before these investigations, since the CRU output data matched the other temperature records.
It was never even seriously in question, at all.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:27:08am |
re: #681 Bagua
And when do you plan on acknowledging that the hearings completely exonerated the CRU's work?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:27:24am |
re: #627 Bagua
This is wholly dishonest crap.
If the results are corraborrated by other sources - and they are, you can conclude that the experiment worked.
This is basic science.
If you have a scientific claim - say about the color of an orange, and you only have one set of eyes looking at it, then sure, maybe the orange was really purple and you can go into debating if the eyes were really working properly ad nauseum - and still have some chance of maybe possibly being correct even after every eye expert out there tells you that they examined the eyes looking and found no serious fault.
But when you start getting other eyes looking and they were made and operated by others and they give the exact same result, the orange really is orange - then guess what, the original eyes that said it was orange are correct. You are then done.
All you are doing is perpetuating a false meme in a vain and dishonest hope of discrediting science in general.
What really annoys me is that you claim to like science even as you try to tear it down from its very principles.
And here, I do not mean AGW per se - I mean the notion of independent observation confirming results.
You would rather continue a false and bogus scandal on one set of results in order to smear all other sets.
It's disgusting.
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Eclectic Infidel Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:27:49am |
re: #658 albusteve
OMG. I remember the rage against Bush with respect to the issue of off-shore drilling and now Obama is going to make it happen. My goodness.
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cliffster Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:27:50am |
re: #684 Cato the Elder
Obdicut and Decatur Deb: The Neighbors of the Beast.
Obdicut! Deb! You must come over for hot dogs and beer sometime. How about this weekend?
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:27:53am |
re: #673 Obdicut
The output had been so massively vindicated before the proceeding started that it is absolutely no surprise that it has, yet again, been vindicated.
As someone occasionally accused of...gosh, how do i not restart this...*ahem*...carrying a little water for the side who disagrees with AGW - I just wanted to chime in with my unequivocal concurrence.
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Unakite Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:28:00am |
re: #648 Charles
Walter's "analysis" consisted of picking out some comments and trying to claim that they showed problems in the code -- which they did. Problems that were FIXED. Walter showed absolutely nothing unusual or out place or even wrong -- he showed that the programmer debugged his code. There's no news in that. That's what programming is.
This forlorn hope that someone is going to find big problems in the CRU code is nothing but grasping at straws.
Charles,
I'll be the first to admit tha I have no programming skills or capability to review the code. I know Walter put some effort into his review even if he didn't prove his point, so I just thought he might have some interest in find this.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:28:01am |
re: #681 Bagua
Try bolding this bit:
They do not affect trends estimated from the data, and hence have no bearing on conclusions regarding the detection and attribution of external influence on climate.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:28:02am |
re: #665 Obdicut
Also: I'm a 'liberal', but I'm barely motivated to help the Democrats on most issues, since a lot of the time they're doing it wrong. Since the GOP is going to scream their heads off about anything the Democrats do, I do not understand why the Democrats keep crippling their ideas with compromise.
I am not saying that the Democrat's plans are great and flawless to start. They're not. However, I do not think synthesis is usually possible between those ideas and their diametric opposites, and attempts at it just wind up with weak, less effectual ideas.
I think the US respects the idea of competition; I think if the Democrats made a strong case for public option and single-payer, they could have gotten it through, and people would actually evaluate how well it was working.
It is not very motivating for me to donate money to the Democrats or work to get Democrats in general elected, when they are so tepid. Massachusetts is a good example of that.
Look I am right with you. No worries there. I always vote lesser of evils.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:28:35am |
re: #655 NJDhockeyfan
I post news stories new to me. Why?
Like I said, curiosity. It does appear to sometimes re-trigger discussions that had previously occurred, with a lot of duplicate posting of opinions and supporting links that I had previously seen.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:28:44am |
re: #690 cliffster
Obdicut! Deb! You must come over for hot dogs and beer sometime. How about this weekend?
Molochburgers? I'll bring the gore.
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Bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:29:08am |
re: #650 Aceofwhat?
dude. i think the CRU affair was horrible for the reputation of AGW. but i read almost 40 pages of the transcripts last night (in between attempts to be gentle with Idioma) and it seems excessively clear that the output, however miraculously, is solid...for the last time.
read the whole proceeding.
I have read the whole proceeding and watched it on video. We are discussing its implications now.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:29:12am |
re: #676 iceweasel
I'd have agreed with you in a general way about the dems disorganisation-- 4 or more years ago.
I'd still agree that the elected Dems don't march in lockstep.
But you're wholly ignoring the VERY mobilised, VERY connected, VERY hardworking activist Dems, libs, and progressives that sprang up around 2004. We got Obama elected. We got the Netroots. We got Obama For America, and Organising For America.
We're not 'on message' like the GOP because we have a vastly bigger tent and as you correctly note, the old joke has always been ask 3 libs and get 4 opinions.But we're kicking GOP ass still, most especially on the technology count, and don't dismiss us as 'lazy'-- or even call us "Dems", because many of us, if not most, don't even like the Dem Party.
/end Netroots/progressive grassroots network/activism rant.
bigger tent?? WE let the Birchers back into our conference! how's that for a big tent???
(he says with tears of despair running down his face...)
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cliffster Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:29:29am |
re: #658 albusteve
WASHINGTON — The Obama administration will announce its plans for coastal oil and gas drilling leases by the end of March, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said Wednesday.
Salazar told the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee that he was preparing two plans to govern leases on the outer continental shelf — one with court-mandated changes that would apply through June 30, 2012, and another completely new blueprint for leasing from July 1, 2012, until 2017not because it's the wise thing to do, but to clobber the industry for new taxes
[Link: www.chron.com...]
good lord, but democrats are a sleazy bunch
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:29:33am |
re: #669 Aceofwhat?
Read the whole proceeding. The output ends up being vindicated. The damage to perception is fair game, IMHO, but this ain't my blog...
The hearings were not to decide on the validity of the data or the science, the hearings were to look into the way the CRU handled FOI requests, how they handled the distribution or lack of distribution of material to other interested scientists and if they actually tried to keep material out of the hands of detractors.
There were occasional questions on the validity of the science, and the answers from the scientist were favorable. But those questions were not for establishing a pro or con on the science. That was not the purpose of this hearing.
There was nothing in this hearing that was designed to put the science on trial.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:29:53am |
re: #692 Unakite
Charles,
I'll be the first to admit tha I have no programming skills or capability to review the code. I know Walter put some effort into his review even if he didn't prove his point, so I just thought he might have some interest in find this.
No, you are one of the most entrenched of the deniers on this entire blog and you are dishonestly trying to perpetuate a smear that you want to believe.
What gets me about the current crop of deniers here is that they even deny being deniers and play at a faux reasonableness.
If there were a major problem in the code, the results would not have been corroborated by other groups who used totally different code.
At that point you are done.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:30:15am |
re: #689 eclectic infidel
OMG. I remember the rage against Bush with respect to the issue of off-shore drilling and now Obama is going to make it happen. My goodness.
Bush was doing it to line the pockets of his Big Oil™ cronies, Obama is doing it for the goodness of society.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:31:01am |
re: #697 Bagua
I have read the whole proceeding and watched it on video. We are discussing its implications now.
Really? Then how did you miss the most important part -- the conclusion, where the CRU's data was completely vindicated?
Maybe you were taking a trip to the bathroom while that was going on?
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:31:33am |
re: #688 LudwigVanQuixote
Yes but what about the fact that there is a Parliamentary Inquiry presently being conducted? Shouldn't one wait to see their report to Parliament instead of prejudging the result?
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:31:41am |
re: #678 Charles
There's nothing "miraculous" or surprising about the fact that the data is solid. It always was solid. It was already checked, verified, and corroborated with other sources, because that's what scientists do.
But of course, the silly dishonest claims of the denial industry won't stop.
If we are going to discuss this hearing, then we need to be aware of what the hearing were and weren't.
The hearings were not to decide on the validity of the data or the science, the hearings were to look into the way the CRU handled FOI requests, how they handled the distribution or lack of distribution of material to other interested scientists and if they actually tried to keep material out of the hands of detractors.
Anytime the science itself was mentioned, it received favorable responses from the scientist who were called to answer questions.
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:31:51am |
re: #698 Aceofwhat?
bigger tent?? WE let the Birchers back into our conference! how's that for a big tent???
(he says with tears of despair running down his face...)
The difference is that the GOP's 'big tent' is now made out of a sheet.
A big white sheet.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:32:09am |
re: #690 cliffster
Obdicut! Deb! You must come over for hot dogs and beer sometime. How about this weekend?
No joke, we're having friends over for Chateaubriand, Brie and French movies this weekend. I swear to god.
And shouldn't we eat something more satanic than hot dogs? Are they at least red hots?
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:32:38am |
re: #695 oaktree
Like I said, curiosity. It does appear to sometimes re-trigger discussions that had previously occurred, with a lot of duplicate posting of opinions and supporting links that I had previously seen.
Since I don't live on LGF 24/7 I don't know what is discussed while I'm away. Maybe you can email me outlined reports of each thread when I'm gone so I don't make the same repeated mistakes.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:32:52am |
Charge!
Obama and Democratic brigade commanders Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi know there will be terrible casualties among their troops come November, but still they urge them on, to sacrifice their jobs, careers and political futures for ... 2,700 pages of new bureaucratic rules, mandates, directives and edicts that will surely destroy the finest health care system in the world.
sacrifice for the Holy Cause!
Read more at the Washington Examiner: [Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com...]
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Bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:32:54am |
re: #688 LudwigVanQuixote
This is wholly dishonest crap.
.
Register your complaints with the UK Parliament, not I. It is their inquiry.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:33:17am |
re: #707 Obdicut
No joke, we're having friends over for Chateaubriand, Brie and French movies this weekend. I swear to god.
And shouldn't we eat something more satanic than hot dogs? Are they at least red hots?
Why do you hate FREEEDOM!!!!!
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:33:21am |
re: #678 Charles
See #691. I am hoping that my dangerous proclivity, at certain times, for stubbornly making a small point at the expense of my larger reputation will help me communicate reason to those who have heretofore been resistant.
But i'm not holding my breath...
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:33:25am |
re: #703 Charles
Really? Then how did you miss the most important part -- the conclusion, where the CRU's data was completely vindicated?
Maybe you were taking a trip to the bathroom while that was going on?
The hearing were NOT TO DISCUSS THE VALIDITY OF THE DATA, it was to discuss the way CRU handled the FOI requests and other topics related to sharing information with other scientists and the public.
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:33:28am |
re: #701 LudwigVanQuixote
No, you are one of the most entrenched of the deniers on this entire blog and you are dishonestly trying to perpetuate a smear that you want to believe.
What gets me about the current crop of deniers here is that they even deny being deniers and play at a faux reasonableness.
If there were a major problem in the code, the results would not have been corroborated by other groups who used totally different code.
At that point you are done.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:33:46am |
re: #689 eclectic infidel
OMG. I remember the rage against Bush with respect to the issue of off-shore drilling and now Obama is going to make it happen. My goodness.
he has to....there is money for the feds to make, tons of it in fees, permits, inspections etc
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sattv4u2 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:34:30am |
re: #706 iceweasel
The difference is that the GOP's 'big tent' is now made out of a sheet.
A big white sheet.
Did they borrow it from Senator Byrd?
/
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:34:42am |
re: #714 Walter L. Newton
I hear caps lock improves the truthiness of your message by like 500%. Also, it's the height of polite internet behavior.
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cliffster Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:34:47am |
re: #707 Obdicut
No joke, we're having friends over for Chateaubriand, Brie and French movies this weekend. I swear to god.
And shouldn't we eat something more satanic than hot dogs? Are they at least red hots?
I have a pit with fire and brimstone in my backyard. We'll cook hot dogs over that. And serve them with deviled eggs.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:34:55am |
re: #710 albusteve
Charge!
Obama and Democratic brigade commanders Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi know there will be terrible casualties among their troops come November, but still they urge them on, to sacrifice their jobs, careers and political futures for ... 2,700 pages of new bureaucratic rules, mandates, directives and edicts that will surely destroy the finest health care system in the world.sacrifice for the Holy Cause!
Read more at the Washington Examiner: [Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com...]
It's up to 2,700 pages now? Holy reams of paper Batman!
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:35:02am |
re: #697 Bagua
I have read the whole proceeding and watched it on video. We are discussing its implications now.
Well...the implications on the perception of the science might be interesting to discuss. The implications on the results of their work...eh...the sky is blue. The output is valid. Not much to discuss, really, in either case.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:35:06am |
In fact let me repost without any reply to anyone, because the points I made about the science apply to the entire bit of CRU nonsense and nontroversy.
It is wholly dishonest crap.
If the results of any experiment, are corraborrated by other sources - and they are in the case of CRU, you can conclude that the experiment worked.
This is basic science. This is the point of multiple independent observers. Though in this case it is more like three people worked the math and got the same answer to the same problem.
If you have a scientific claim - say about the color of an orange, and you only have one set of eyes looking at it, then sure, maybe the orange was really purple and you can go into debating if the eyes were really working properly ad nauseum - and still have some chance of maybe possibly being correct. This is true, even if unlikely, even after every eye expert out there tells you that they examined the eyes looking and found no serious fault.
But when you start getting other eyes looking and they were made and operated by others and they give the exact same result, the greatest probability is that the orange really is orange - and guess what, the original eyes that said it was orange are correct. You are then done.
All this CRU crap is perpetuating a false meme in a vain and dishonest hope of discrediting science in general.
What really annoys me is that people claim to like science even as they try to tear it down from its very principles.
And here, I do not mean AGW per se - I mean the notion of independent observation confirming results.
They would rather continue a false and bogus scandal on one set of results in order to smear all other sets.
It's disgusting.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:35:33am |
re: #703 Charles
re: #711 Bagua
re: #701 LudwigVanQuixote
Please... the hearing was held for this purpose...
"...that the whole purpose of this session, given the shortage of time of the Committee, is to examine the events surrounding the disclosure of climate data from the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, to examine the implications of the disclosure on scientific integrity and to examine the independent review and the steps taken by the University since the disclosure."
Did anyone really read it?
The hearing were NOT TO DISCUSS THE VALIDITY OF THE DATA, it was to discuss the way CRU handled the FOI requests and other topics related to sharing information with other scientists and the public.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:35:35am |
re: #702 NJDhockeyfan
Bush was doing it to line the pockets of his Big Oil™ cronies, Obama is doing it for the goodness of society.
pass the bong
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Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:36:00am |
re: #612 reine.de.tout
Where is Cato?
He needs to post his gyro video.
Which vid is that? Don't remember...
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Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:36:21am |
And imagine my surprise to find Anthony Watts hyping the very report that's been brought in here.
It's amusing to watch the denial community just fall right into lock-step with the talking points provided by Watts and his dishonest cronies.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:36:24am |
re: #720 NJDhockeyfan
But remember, Obama's is way too short! Got to manage to say both that one bill is way too long and the other is way too short with a straight face.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:37:12am |
re: #700 Walter L. Newton
I don't disagree. For some perplexing reason, a few others appear to disagree. Not sure how one can read the transcript and arrive at a different conclusion.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:37:18am |
re: #704 Spare O'Lake
Yes but what about the fact that there is a Parliamentary Inquiry presently being conducted? Shouldn't one wait to see their report to Parliament instead of prejudging the result?
Umm well lets see, the science and the data already corroborate each other and data is impartial.
The parliamentary inquiry is political and not even about the science, but rather about if the scientists were properly responsive to an avalanche of frivolous and malicious requests for information by organized denier groups.
What matters is the science. The fact that science is so disrespected that politicians can try so hard to hobble it is another issue.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:37:57am |
re: #706 iceweasel
The difference is that the GOP's 'big tent' is now made out of a sheet.
A big white sheet.
I doubt that....way too presumptuous....for the noise making droolers maybe
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:38:10am |
re: #723 Walter L. Newton
So are you admitting the reason the hearings weren't on the validity of the data because the data has always been considered to be completely solid, since it matches the other temperature records and two independent analysis showed the data to be good?
So that there was never actually a serious question about the validity of CRU data?
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prairiefire Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:38:49am |
re: #707 Obdicut
I know somebody who occasional will order his redhots from the East Coast. They aren't available around here.
French action movies or stultifying introspectives?
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Bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:39:07am |
re: #703 Charles
Really? Then how did you miss the most important part -- the conclusion, where the CRU's data was completely vindicated?
Maybe you were taking a trip to the bathroom while that was going on?
The hearing are not about vindicating the data or the theory of AGW. They are specifically looking into how the CRU handled the FOIA requests, and how they go about sharing data with other scientists so that their work can be checked.
You don't seem to understand what the Parliamentary inquiry is all about.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:39:23am |
re: #720 NJDhockeyfan
It's up to 2,700 pages now? Holy reams of paper Batman!
a lot of trees, think of all the copies of copies
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:39:25am |
re: #726 Charles
And imagine my surprise to find Anthony Watts hyping the very report that's been brought in here.
It's amusing to watch the denial community just fall right into lock-step with the talking points provided by Watts and his dishonest cronies.
Well, he probably doesn't understand the purpose of the hearing any better than some people here. The hearing was not for the purpose of vindicating the data. That was not the issue. And I never claimed it was the issue when I posted my link to the transcript, for a matter of fact, I mentioned in my comment above that when the science did come up, it received favorable comments by the scientists.
So, I don't know what you are trying to paint me with here, or what your point is.
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:39:47am |
re: #717 sattv4u2
Did they borrow it from Senator Byrd?
/
Stage 2 here would be for you to claim it's really the GOP that was behind civil rights leg.
Look, the current GOP has a shrunken little tent now, and a gigantic racism problem. Those are facts, documented every day on this here intertubes blog.
They have a shrinking demographic and they're currently choosing to play to the worst of the worst of their vanishing base.
Call me a partisan if you like, but you'd be wrong. I don't bring this up solely to 'bash' the GOP, but because it's very bad to have only one viable party in a democracy.
That's where we're at because of the GOP's trainwreck.
Bad for us all, bad for America, bad for democracy.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:39:55am |
re: #722 LudwigVanQuixote
"The pen is blue, the pen is blue, the goddamn pen is blue!"
-Jim Carrey
Liar, Liar
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:40:46am |
re: #732 prairiefire
Goddard. We're watching Band of Outsiders with our friends Annie and Michel, who together make the band Potion, who have an album called Band of Outsiders.
They're awesome. I love Annie and Michel.
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prairiefire Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:41:03am |
re: #590 Decatur Deb
Cato--you gave me a hook to repost something from a dead overnight thread:
re: #620 irish rose
Hello Irish--I rarely catch you here. I just got up to read the overnights, and want to piggyback on your stalker comment. Some LGFer's who are concerned about stalkers of various sorts are a little too laid back. Most of us have posted enough personal details to make identification fairly easy. Just posting our birthdays removes a very large part of our "Security Through Obscurity". A determined stalker with any brains can cross-correlate a few dozen statements and get to within public-record reach of most identities. Our lizard ethic discouraging friendly ID questions should be reinforced. I'm not pushing paranoia, but our free expression is potentially threatened. (Just noted this thread is about dead. I'm posting now for later forwarding.)
Thanks, Papa Decatur. It's helpful to remember that.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:41:38am |
re: #727 Obdicut
But remember, Obama's is way too short! Got to manage to say both that one bill is way too long and the other is way too short with a straight face.
the entire hysterical issue, power grab and all, can easily be dismissed as folly....in other words, it's a sick joke
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Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:41:43am |
re: #735 Walter L. Newton
Gee -- you mean these hearings were for political purposes only?
I seem to remember you arguing vehemently against this only yesterday.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:42:28am |
re: #734 albusteve
a lot of trees, think of all the copies of copies
And ink...contributing to pollute the planet.
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Bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:42:38am |
re: #714 Walter L. Newton
The hearing were NOT TO DISCUSS THE VALIDITY OF THE DATA, it was to discuss the way CRU handled the FOI requests and other topics related to sharing information with other scientists and the public.
Thank you, my point exactly. It is ridiculous that this is being turned into another "Is AGW true or not" issue. That has nothing to do with these proceedings, nor could a parliamentary inquiry possibly "vindicate the data" that can only occur through a re-do of the data set, which the MET Office is currently beginning and is estimated to take three years to complete. That is way beyond what the inquiry is investigating.
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prairiefire Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:43:35am |
re: #738 Obdicut
Great stuff. Artistic muscians have a fantastic vibe to be around. So intelligent. She's an alto to mid Soprano? She's great in the lower registure.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:43:55am |
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sattv4u2 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:44:21am |
re: #736 iceweasel
Stage 2 here would be for you to claim it's really the GOP that was behind civil rights leg
Nahh ,, lets stick to Stage 1, where you tarred the "GOP" with the White Sheet
I thought you always took a stand against absolutes and generalities ,,, my bad!
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:44:44am |
Everyone should watch the video in my 738, because Annie has a really special voice.
And then buy their album!
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
It's a lot more fun than arguing about British parliamentary inquiries, I promise.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:44:57am |
re: #733 Bagua
The hearing are not about vindicating the data or the theory of AGW. They are specifically looking into how the CRU handled the FOIA requests, and how they go about sharing data with other scientists so that their work can be checked.
You don't seem to understand what the Parliamentary inquiry is all about.
Yes, that is because the data were vindicated. Of course the data were always solid, otherwise the scientific community itself would have stepped on it. That's that whole peer review and rebuttal paper thing.
Of course, the deniers like you started with trying to take out the whole data set and smear that. When you failed to do that politically, you were reduced to whining that the initial denier camaign to disrupt research with frivolous requests was not properly cow-towed to.
Now you are whining about procedural issues between scientists and interest groups rather than the science.
Once that is done, you will be whining to "teach the controversy."
Same shit even the same assholes.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:45:03am |
re: #590 Decatur Deb
Cato--you gave me a hook to repost something from a dead overnight thread:
re: #620 irish rose
Hello Irish--I rarely catch you here. I just got up to read the overnights, and want to piggyback on your stalker comment. Some LGFer's who are concerned about stalkers of various sorts are a little too laid back. Most of us have posted enough personal details to make identification fairly easy. Just posting our birthdays removes a very large part of our "Security Through Obscurity". A determined stalker with any brains can cross-correlate a few dozen statements and get to within public-record reach of most identities. Our lizard ethic discouraging friendly ID questions should be reinforced. I'm not pushing paranoia, but our free expression is potentially threatened. (Just noted this thread is about dead. I'm posting now for later forwarding.)
Unfortunately, like several people have done recently, Irish Rose sent me a very insulting email and delinked LGF at her blog, because I wouldn't ban her personal enemies for her.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:45:46am |
re: #743 Bagua
Thank you, my point exactly. It is ridiculous that this is being turned into another "Is AGW true or not" issue. That has nothing to do with these proceedings, nor could a parliamentary inquiry possibly "vindicate the data" that can only occur through a re-do of the data set, which the MET Office is currently beginning and is estimated to take three years to complete. That is way beyond what the inquiry is investigating.
Let me help. When you post things like...
In what way was the CRU data "corroborated by other completely independent sources"? This process is only in the proposal stage and is expected to take 3 years and be a massive project?
...you're talking about the data. We are not.
Not saying it's what you meant...just sayin' it's what you said.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:45:50am |
re: #743 Bagua
What a load. The data has been vindicated already, by matching the other temperature records and by two independent inquiries. You are misrepresenting what the MET is doing-- which is standardizing data collection and reportage.
If you can't make your case without direct lies, it's probably best not to make it at all.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:45:58am |
re: #741 Charles
Gee -- you mean these hearings were for political purposes only?
I seem to remember you arguing vehemently against this only yesterday.
I don't call it politics. I call it what I have always called it, a problem with process, procedure and policy, which is what the Parliament was investigating.
If you read the transcript, you will see that the whole hearing is very light on politics, and the few times anyone tried to get partisan, it was quickly set aside.
Your the one that claimed the hearing vindicated the science.
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idioma Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:46:47am |
re: #318 iceweasel
BTW, not calling out anyone in particular, but why the hell is idioma's post about the TX ultrasound prop downdinged? at around 112.
That's certainly big news, and apart from dislike for her I can't understand why people are downdinging it, especially as I've had many conversations with many people here about similar ultrasound legislation in OK among other states, and my impression from that (and other convos others have had) is that the vast majority of people here, even if they're anti-abortion, consider that legislation way over the line.
Just sayin.
Shooting the messenger is trendy.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:47:00am |
re: #749 Charles
Unfortunately, like several people have done recently, Irish Rose sent me a very insulting email and delinked LGF at her blog, because I wouldn't ban her personal enemies for her.
good non move...I applaud you
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:47:11am |
re: #741 Charles
Gee -- you mean these hearings were for political purposes only?
I seem to remember you arguing vehemently against this only yesterday.
Why yes, yes he was. In fact I seem to remember him writing long long discussions about how concerned he was that the science was done properly - because he really cared about the science.
The truly most annoying thing about the deniers is that they honestly believe that our memories last for less than 24 hours and that we won't notice when they try to replace their old line of BS with a new one.
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Bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:47:13am |
re: #741 Charles
Gee -- you mean these hearings were for political purposes only?
I seem to remember you arguing vehemently against this only yesterday.
Actually no, the discussion was whether the MET Office was engaging in politics by conducting a re-do of the temp sets put out by CRU. This Parliamentary inquiry is an entirely different issue, being conducted by politicians, not scientists.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:47:25am |
re: #709 NJDhockeyfan
Since I don't live on LGF 24/7 I don't know what is discussed while I'm away. Maybe you can email me outlined reports of each thread when I'm gone so I don't make the same repeated mistakes.
Fine, take umbrage when none was intended.
I don't expect anyone to keep up with all the comments on all the threads. I certainly don't.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:47:40am |
re: #744 prairiefire
She has a great range; I can ask her what she classifies herself as.
They recorded one of their albums in my parents house in San Francisco, in a dressing closet that they loved the acoustics of.
The funny thing is that Annie is all femme fatale in the music, but she's a goofy, funny, silly clutz in real life. It's always a hoot for me to see her up on stage all Bond Girl like, since i know her as the awesome surreal girl who giggle-snorts a lot.
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:47:58am |
re: #746 sattv4u2
Stage 2 here would be for you to claim it's really the GOP that was behind civil rights leg
Nahh ,, lets stick to Stage 1, where you tarred the "GOP" with the White Sheet
Nah, I'm not interested in responding to your baiting today.
Lets stick to Stage one indeed: the GOP has a gigantic problem with racism, is willfully pandering to racists, has a shrinking demographic, and this is very bad for the country.
If you have a problem with any of those claims, I guess I wonder if you're even reading the posts here by Charles, and why you're even here.
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Bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:48:35am |
re: #748 LudwigVanQuixote
Same shit even the same assholes.
You disqualify yourself from seriousness consideration.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:48:41am |
re: #736 iceweasel
Stage 2 here would be for you to claim it's really the GOP that was behind civil rights leg.
Look, the current GOP has a shrunken little tent now, and a gigantic racism problem. Those are facts, documented every day on this here intertubes blog.
They have a shrinking demographic and they're currently choosing to play to the worst of the worst of their vanishing base.
Call me a partisan if you like, but you'd be wrong. I don't bring this up solely to 'bash' the GOP, but because it's very bad to have only one viable party in a democracy.
That's where we're at because of the GOP's trainwreck.Bad for us all, bad for America, bad for democracy.
And yet we may win the House majority back. We have a fringe problem (Birchers...Rick Perry) that threatens the middle. You have a corruption problem (it's up to you...New York...Newww Yooork!) which threatens the middle. Neither are good for our democracy.
But i'm with you on the 'two strong parties bit'. I'd rather live under a slight Dem majority than a 100% Repub majority, for the record.
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wrenchwench Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:48:42am |
re: #749 Charles
I will never understand people on the intertoobs. They somehow aren't like regular people, no matter how they seem. With notable exceptions, but I can't always spot 'em.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:49:27am |
re: #753 idioma
do i have things to read on the other thread, or are you still taking a break?
take all the time you need.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:49:52am |
re: #757 oaktree
Fine, take umbrage when none was intended.
I don't expect anyone to keep up with all the comments on all the threads. I certainly don't.
Then why bring up the fact I posted a link or two that was previously discussed? I don't understand.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:49:59am |
re: #762 wrenchwench
[Link: www.penny-arcade.com...]
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cliffster Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:50:04am |
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Bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:50:09am |
re: #748 LudwigVanQuixote
Yes, that is because the data were vindicated. Of course the data were always solid, otherwise the scientific community itself would have stepped on it. That's that whole peer review and rebuttal paper thing.
.
The "scientific community itself" has stepped on it, the MET Office has announced a complete review of the data which is expected to take three years and goes far beyond simple peer review.
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idioma Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:50:36am |
re: #763 Aceofwhat?
I posted a video, because our conversation has been rendered already.
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:50:56am |
re: #731 Obdicut
So are you admitting the reason the hearings weren't on the validity of the data because the data has always been considered to be completely solid, since it matches the other temperature records and two independent analysis showed the data to be good?
So that there was never actually a serious question about the validity of CRU data?
No problem with the data at all....
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
And he seemed to be right. The most startling observation came when he was asked how often scientists reviewing his papers for probity before publication asked to see details of his raw data, methodology and computer codes. "They've never asked," he said.
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wrenchwench Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:52:17am |
re: #759 iceweasel
If you have a problem with any of those claims, I guess I wonder if you're even reading the posts here by Charles, and why you're even here.
It's OK for people who disagree with Charles's posts to be here, for any reason at all, as long as they abide by the rules.
At least that's how I understand it.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:52:27am |
re: #752 Walter L. Newton
I call it what I have always called it, a problem with process, procedure and policy, which is what the Parliament was investigating.
Another word for this is "politics."
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albusteve Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:52:28am |
re: #757 oaktree
Fine, take umbrage when none was intended.
I don't expect anyone to keep up with all the comments on all the threads. I certainly don't.
some noob bounced me with an insult one time for posting a blub late in the morning because it had already been posted on the overnight thread....noobies...I just laughed
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:52:33am |
re: #756 Bagua
And now the pedantic word games and furious backpedaling.... Like clockwork.
Actually no, the discussion was whether the MET Office was engaging in politics by conducting a re-do of the temp sets put out by CRU.
That was the original false smear campaign that never had any basis in fact. That was a direct assault on the science itself. It failed because the science is sound.
But you, and the other deniers certainly tried to get a lot of mileage out of it.
This Parliamentary inquiry is an entirely different issue, being conducted by politicians, not scientists.
That is your current talking point.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:52:34am |
re: #749 Charles
Unfortunately, like several people have done recently, Irish Rose sent me a very insulting email and delinked LGF at her blog, because I wouldn't ban her personal enemies for her.
Didn't catch that action. Part of the Great Sadness.
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Bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:52:46am |
re: #751 Obdicut
What a load. The data has been vindicated already, by matching the other temperature records and by two independent inquiries. You are misrepresenting what the MET is doing-- which is standardizing data collection and reportage.
If you can't make your case without direct lies, it's probably best not to make it at all.
You are talking nonsense, the data has not been vindicated, that is impossible as they have yet to release everything required. The actual "vindication" will take over three years.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:52:58am |
re: #643 Charles
And again, you're posting ridiculous claims made by people with axes to grind. I know you'd really really like to see the CRU's data and programs proven to be hoaxes. But they are not hoaxes. The data produced by the CRU has been corroborated by other completely independent sources, no matter how much you kick and scream and misrepresent the facts.
And I didn't post that link to the John Graham-Cumming memo to Parliament, but you mentioned above these are people with axes to grind.
What axe does John Graham-Cumming, Sir Edward Acton, Professor Hans von Storch and Dr. Myles R. Allen have to grind?
These were all people mentioned in that memo, with varying opinions and comments.
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:53:31am |
re: #761 Aceofwhat?
And yet we may win the House majority back. We have a fringe problem (Birchers...Rick Perry) that threatens the middle. You have a corruption problem (it's up to you...New York...Newww Yooork!) which threatens the middle. Neither are good for our democracy.
But i'm with you on the 'two strong parties bit'. I'd rather live under a slight Dem majority than a 100% Repub majority, for the record.
I fully expect the GOP to make substantial gains in midterms, and most probably to win the house.
I also fully expect the usual suspects to handwring or gloat that this somehow constitues a 'rejection' of Obama, or dems.
It won't be and it isn't. It will be an expression of anti-incumbent sentiment and the economic situation.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:53:53am |
re: #753 idioma
Shooting the messenger is trendy.
girlfriend, (he says with an urban twang) it's likely related to yesterday evening. you did sorta load the figurative Kalashnikov with downdings and go insurgent on our combined asses.
it didn't really faze me...but it could be a contributing factor for others. juuust sayin'.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:53:57am |
re: #762 wrenchwench
I will never understand people on the intertoobs. They somehow aren't like regular people, no matter how they seem. With notable exceptions, but I can't always spot 'em.
too much vanity and popularity lust...imo
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prairiefire Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:54:06am |
re: #762 wrenchwench
I remember being amazed that so many people hooked up over the internet when the intertoobs started. Traveling across the country to marry people they barely knew. It happened to a Chef friend of mine. She left him after 12 years of marriage and two boys.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:54:16am |
re: #769 RogueOne
God, this is exhausting. What problem with the data does that show?
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:54:39am |
re: #770 wrenchwench
It's OK for people who disagree with Charles's posts to be here, for any reason at all, as long as they abide by the rules.
At least that's how I understand it.
No one said differently.
but I do wonder when people who post here appear not to have read those posts.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:54:45am |
re: #771 Charles
Another word for this is "politics."
Not in my book. If my boos has a problem with me not following standard process, procedure or policy, it's not called politics, it's called no doing my job.
But, redefining it is an easy way to turn the point around.
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cliffster Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:54:57am |
re: #778 Aceofwhat?
girlfriend, (he says with an urban twang) it's likely related to yesterday evening. you did sorta load the figurative Kalashnikov with downdings and go insurgent on our combined asses.
it didn't really faze me...but it could be a contributing factor for others. juuust sayin'.
idioma will likely go months with every single post generating a flurry of downdings.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:55:16am |
re: #766 cliffster
Stay the hell out of Texas indeed.
NO...Texans are my historical and cultural cousins, idiots that they are sometimes
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Bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:56:08am |
re: #773 LudwigVanQuixote
And now the pedantic word games and furious backpedaling... Like clockwork.
That is your current talking point.
No Ludwig, you fail to understand the Parliamentary Inquiry and the action taken by the MET Office are two very different things.
The Parliament is staffed by politicians, the MET Office is staffed by scientists. On does science the other does politics and law.
You are conflating two very different things.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:56:16am |
re: #786 albusteve
NO...Texans are my historical and cultural cousins, idiots that they are sometimes
you don't say...
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Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:56:47am |
re: #775 Bagua
You are talking nonsense, the data has not been vindicated, that is impossible as they have yet to release everything required. The actual "vindication" will take over three years.
What crap. The data is being reviewed for political purposes. PERIOD. End of story.
Even the agencies charged with reviewing the data have explicitly said they don't expect to find any problems, and have no reason to suspect any problems exist.
This is a political move, nothing more, and it's going to end up with a complete exoneration of the CRU's data. But it's a waste of time, because hard core deniers like you will just ignore it, as always, and move on to the next talking point in your quest to fool the gullible.
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:57:03am |
re: #781 Obdicut
God, this is exhausting. What problem with the data does that show?
None. When no one asks for it it's kinda hard to find fault with it. I find it a little odd but then I'm not a scientist so I don't know if it's SOP to not even bother to ask to look at the "raw data, methodology and computer codes" when doing peer-review on a paper.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:57:38am |
re: #784 cliffster
idioma will likely go months with every single post generating a flurry of downdings.
and i have little sympathy, given that to this point her own gun has been loaded for bear.
apparently she feels it is better to give than to receive! how christian of her!
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Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:58:00am |
re: #783 Walter L. Newton
But, redefining it is an easy way to turn the point around.
Which is, of course, exactly what you're trying to do, by claiming that a political inquiry is somehow "not political."
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sattv4u2 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:58:24am |
re: #759 iceweasel
Nah, I'm not interested in responding to your baiting today.
Lets stick to Stage one indeed: the GOP has a gigantic problem with racism, is willfully pandering to racists, has a shrinking demographic, and this is very bad for the country.
If you have a problem with any of those claims, I guess I wonder if you're even reading the posts here by Charles, and why you're even here.
fascinating!
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albusteve Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:58:39am |
re: #777 iceweasel
I fully expect the GOP to make substantial gains in midterms, and most probably to win the house.
I also fully expect the usual suspects to handwring or gloat that this somehow constitues a 'rejection' of Obama, or dems.It won't be and it isn't. It will be an expression of anti-incumbent sentiment and the economic situation.
win the House, fine if they exercise conservatism...if not, it's all for nothing....just imagine the Paulians steamrolling into the WH....good lord almighty....interesting times ahead
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cliffster Thu, Mar 4, 2010 9:58:59am |
re: #786 albusteve
NO...Texans are my historical and cultural cousins, idiots that they are sometimes
That's right, you're not from Texas, but Texas wants you anyways
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albusteve Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:00:35am |
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:00:41am |
re: #775 Bagua
You are talking nonsense, the data has not been vindicated, that is impossible as they have yet to release everything required. The actual "vindication" will take over three years.
Data is vindicated by having other groups replicate the results, not by inquiries into a particular group.
The CRU has been vindicated by the only standard that matters, the scientific one.
That you would argue that somehow this standard does not apply, or is not relevant, and that you keep doggedly refusing to see that fact, only shows that you have no concept of how science works, or even what it is at the most basic level.
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SixDegrees Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:00:43am |
re: #775 Bagua
You are talking nonsense, the data has not been vindicated, that is impossible as they have yet to release everything required. The actual "vindication" will take over three years.
It isn't really accurate to call this a vindication. The problem is that CRU no longer has the actual data they used to arrive at their published conclusions, and it appears that it is impossible to reproduce that dataset exactly due to poor bookkeeping and archiving procedures. In addition, some of the sources of original data used were proprietary, making their release problematic even if all the other problems were resolved. What MET is undertaking is the production of a global dataset with a detailed history and process standing behind it, all of which is freely available to anyone for the asking.
It should also be able to serve as the basis for a statistical analysis of CRU's previous results, and put well established bounds on the likelihood that they contain errors. Such an analysis, however, is beyond the scope of MET's work.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:01:35am |
re: #768 idioma
I posted a video, because our conversation has been rendered already.
Oh. Sorry - i don't open them at work. It'll have to wait until this evening.
Hopefully you at least feel that i was as transparent as possible.
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Bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:02:35am |
re: #789 Charles
What crap. The data is being reviewed for political purposes. PERIOD. End of story.
Even the agencies charged with reviewing the data have explicitly said they don't expect to find any problems, and have no reason to suspect any problems exist.
This is a political move, nothing more, and it's going to end up with a complete exoneration of the CRU's data. But it's a waste of time, because hard core deniers like you will just ignore it, as always, and move on to the next talking point in your quest to fool the gullible.
We discussed this separate issue on the other thread and clearly we disagree. Your faith in the eventual result of a massive scientific study is fortunetelling, not science. No one know the results of a study that has yet to be conducted.
As to "hard core deniers like you" what exactly am I denying? The issue is not whether AGW is true or not, the issue is the conduct and standards at one of its key research facilities, the CRU at EAU. Only the Pope has the presumption of infallibility.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:02:43am |
re: #795 cliffster
That's right, you're not from Texas, but Texas wants you anyways
Lyle and his Big Band!....best stuff he's ever done imo
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:02:44am |
re: #798 SixDegrees
It isn't really accurate to call this a vindication. The problem is that CRU no longer has the actual data they used to arrive at their published conclusions, and it appears that it is impossible to reproduce that dataset exactly due to poor bookkeeping and archiving procedures. In addition, some of the sources of original data used were proprietary, making their release problematic even if all the other problems were resolved. What MET is undertaking is the production of a global dataset with a detailed history and process standing behind it, all of which is freely available to anyone for the asking.
It should also be able to serve as the basis for a statistical analysis of CRU's previous results, and put well established bounds on the likelihood that they contain errors. Such an analysis, however, is beyond the scope of MET's work.
Data is vindicated by having other groups replicate the results, not by inquiries into a particular group.
The CRU has been vindicated by the only standard that matters, the scientific one.
That you would argue that somehow this standard does not apply, or is not relevant, and that you keep doggedly refusing to see that fact, only shows that you have no concept of how science works, or even what it is at the most basic level.
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cliffster Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:03:42am |
re: #800 iceweasel
Nothing like a little midday image of getting your eyeballs clawed out. Thank you so much.
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:03:43am |
re: #794 albusteve
win the House, fine if they exercise conservatism...if not, it's all for nothing...just imagine the Paulians steamrolling into the WH...good lord almighty...interesting times ahead
I can't see the Paulians in the WH. I have more faith in Americans than that.
(not that you don't also, for all your cynicism-- just sayin')
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albusteve Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:04:05am |
re: #801 Bagua
We discussed this separate issue on the other thread and clearly we disagree. Your faith in the eventual result of a massive scientific study is fortunetelling, not science. No one know the results of a study that has yet to be conducted.
As to "hard core deniers like you" what exactly am I denying? The issue is not whether AGW is true or not, the issue is the conduct and standards at one of its key research facilities, the CRU at EAU. Only the Pope has the presumption of infallibility.
I'm a Bishop....am I part way there?
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oldegeezr Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:04:08am |
re: #784 cliffster
Nary a down-dingy from me...I just climbed out of the play pen.
Than again I'm just probably to old to know better!
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:04:54am |
re: #792 Charles
Which is, of course, exactly what you're trying to do, by claiming that a political inquiry is somehow "not political."
Well, since the hearing contained MP's, who are politicians, and the other side of the table was peopled with scientist, then I guess you could say that there was politics involved.
I'll give you that point.
The hearing was not held for the purpose of "vindicating the data," but for looking into the way the CRU handled the FOI requests and the distributing or lack of distributing the data to other scientists and interested parties.
But, since there were an occasional statement and/or question that came across the table that actually dealt with the validity of the data, and the answers from the scientist (and the response from certain MP's) were favorable to the science...
That was just politics too? Right?
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Bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:05:03am |
re: #792 Charles
Which is, of course, exactly what you're trying to do, by claiming that a political inquiry is somehow "not political."
Also note, that the party in power in the UK Parliament, Labour, and the main opposition, Tory, are both very much pro-AGW. So there is no partisan politics involved, this is the UK, not the US.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:05:05am |
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:05:50am |
re: #801 Bagua
We discussed this separate issue on the other thread and clearly we disagree. Your faith in the eventual result of a massive scientific study is fortunetelling, not science. No one know the results of a study that has yet to be conducted.
As to "hard core deniers like you" what exactly am I denying? The issue is not whether AGW is true or not, the issue is the conduct and standards at one of its key research facilities, the CRU at EAU. Only the Pope has the presumption of infallibility.
yeesh. how about, at least in this specific instance, "denying that there is any sane reason to believe that the CRU data will not continue to be vindicated"?
plain enough?
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SixDegrees Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:05:57am |
re: #803 LudwigVanQuixote
Data is vindicated by having other groups replicate the results, not by inquiries into a particular group.
The CRU has been vindicated by the only standard that matters, the scientific one.
That you would argue that somehow this standard does not apply, or is not relevant, and that you keep doggedly refusing to see that fact, only shows that you have no concept of how science works, or even what it is at the most basic level.
I see you no longer bother to actually read posts, preferring to stop at the screen name attached to them.
I'm not particularly surprised.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:06:00am |
re: #767 Bagua
The "scientific community itself" has stepped on it, the MET Office has announced a complete review of the data which is expected to take three years and goes far beyond simple peer review.
This is such a lie and a distortion.
Data are vindicated by having the results replicated by other independent groups.
The inquiry is purely political and everyone knows this.
Even you know it, but you have to frame it as the "science community itself stepping on the data".
That is a total lie. And that is why you are a liar and deserve to be called a liar.
It is one thing to be a denier and a troll, but it is another to always lie in such a repugnant manner.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:06:39am |
re: #813 SixDegrees
I see you no longer bother to actually read posts, preferring to stop at the screen name attached to them.
I'm not particularly surprised.
Same shit but different asshole this time :)
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albusteve Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:06:59am |
re: #805 iceweasel
I can't see the Paulians in the WH. I have more faith in Americans than that.
(not that you don't also, for all your cynicism-- just sayin')
I tend to hate 'em all equally when possible...but it's just a scary thought, like a slow creeping theocracy....I am truly disturbed with the GOP, they freak me out way more than simple liberal political policy
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:07:38am |
re: #816 albusteve
I tend to hate 'em all equally when possible...but it's just a scary thought, like a slow creeping theocracy...I am truly disturbed with the GOP, they freak me out way more than simple liberal political policy
elect me. i'll make you bishop.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:07:59am |
re: #811 iceweasel
Not even close.
just call mew AVIS,,, I'll try harder!
And on that note ,, work beckons
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SixDegrees Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:08:31am |
re: #815 LudwigVanQuixote
Same shit but different asshole this time :)
Odd that you missed the fact I was agreeing with you.
Do your meds need adjustment, or are you working for Enron now?
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SixDegrees Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:09:04am |
re: #817 Aceofwhat?
elect me. i'll make you bishop.
I'd like to be made Emperor, if you can arrange it.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:09:14am |
re: #790 RogueOne
The data matches the other temperature records closely, so there'd be no real reason for anyone to challenge it heavily. I'm also doubtful that that Guardian quote is in full context, since, you know, it's a fragment of a sentence that's not in context.
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Bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:10:03am |
re: #814 LudwigVanQuixote
This is such a lie and a distortion.
Data are vindicated by having the results replicated by other independent groups.
The inquiry is purely political and everyone knows this.
Even you know it, but you have to frame it as the "science community itself stepping on the data".
That is a total lie. And that is why you are a liar and deserve to be called a liar.
It is one thing to be a denier and a troll, but it is another to always lie in such a repugnant manner.
Again, you are confused and uninformed about what we are discussing. Your immediate resort to personal invective is typical and evidence of a weak mind. That you do so repeatedly, shows that you are repugnant.
We are discussing issues, you are engaging in adolescent name calling. You are not sufficiently mature or informed to discuss this issue with me.
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cliffster Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:10:22am |
It'll be funny when civilization is destroyed by tectonics before global warming can ever get to us. Well, not funny ha-ha.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:10:58am |
re: #798 SixDegrees
The problem is that CRU no longer has the actual data they used to arrive at their published conclusions, and it appears that it is impossible to reproduce that dataset exactly due to poor bookkeeping and archiving procedures.
As I've explained to you before, this is not a problem. You don't want to test the CRU output with the identical input data, you want to randomly sample temperature records and compare them to the CRU output. That's a true test of their output, since it would reveal if CRU were cherry-picking stations.
I'm not sure why that's hard for you to understand.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:11:05am |
re: #823 cliffster
It'll be funny when civilization is destroyed by tectonics before global warming can ever get to us. Well, not funny ha-ha.
Stop Plate Tectonics! Now!
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Bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:11:11am |
re: #819 SixDegrees
Odd that you missed the fact I was agreeing with you.
Do your meds need adjustment, or are you working for Enron now?
When flailing about wildly in rage and ignorance it is easy to become confused.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:11:52am |
re: #821 Obdicut
The data matches the other temperature records closely, so there'd be no real reason for anyone to challenge it heavily. I'm also doubtful that that Guardian quote is in full context, since, you know, it's a fragment of a sentence that's not in context.
Here is the actual quote...
Q119 Dr Harris: You cannot speak for other fields of science I guess but do you have any idea whether, in other fields of science, the data is sent out on request? In clinical trials I have not seen photocopies of anonymised patient data being sent out on request. If peer reviewers ask to see the raw data, is there a different situation there or do they never ask for that?
Professor Jones: We would probably send them that then, but they have never asked for it.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:11:53am |
re: #823 cliffster
It'll be funny when civilization is destroyed by tectonics before global warming can ever get to us. Well, not funny ha-ha.
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Bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:12:18am |
re: #821 Obdicut
The data matches the other temperature records closely, so there'd be no real reason for anyone to challenge it heavily. I'm also doubtful that that Guardian quote is in full context, since, you know, it's a fragment of a sentence that's not in context.
That is correspondence not verification, and no, it does not "match closely".
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:13:04am |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:13:09am |
re: #828 Guanxi88
*Insert traditional rant about nothing that happened in the song being ironic, just unfortunate*
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:13:21am |
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:13:39am |
re: #827 Walter L. Newton
Ah. So he wasn't saying nobody had asked to see the methodology. And since the raw data is either going to be publicly already available, or under constrained IP, I can't see why anyone would ask for it.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:13:43am |
re: #832 EmmmieG
*Insert traditional rant about nothing that happened in the song being ironic, just unfortunate*
I know - she's a pop star who used to be on a Nickelodeon kid's show. It's about as much as one could hope for.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:13:45am |
re: #822 Bagua
Again, you are confused and uninformed about what we are discussing. Your immediate resort to personal invective is typical and evidence of a weak mind. That you do so repeatedly, shows that you are repugnant.
We are discussing issues, you are engaging in adolescent name calling. You are not sufficiently mature or informed to discuss this issue with me.
NO, I was quoting you directly on something you said not ten minutes ago...
I mean it really was ten whole minutes ago that you claimed that the CRU was not vindicated, and you said:
The "scientific community itself" has stepped on it, the MET Office has announced a complete review of the data which is expected to take three years and goes far beyond simple peer review.
This is completely false. It is also completely false to assert that you weren't claiming that the data were not vindicated and that the science community itself stepped on it. Your words are right there!
You are such a liar that you even lie about the lies you told not ten minutes ago.
It is pathetic and it insults the intelligence that you even think for a moment anyone would buy your lies.
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Ericus58 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:14:15am |
I go away for a bit due to work, and found myself around 360 posts behind...
I'll start here then.
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SixDegrees Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:14:35am |
re: #837 Ericus58
I go away for a bit due to work, and found myself around 360 posts behind...
I'll start here then.
You haven't missed anything.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:14:53am |
re: #833 Stanley Sea
Yarrr.
I'm with ya, matey!
We was three days off Mandalay. Freebootin' we was, when up come a storm from Old Neptune hisself.
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cliffster Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:14:58am |
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Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:15:02am |
re: #829 Bagua
That is correspondence not verification, and no, it does not "match closely".
Yes, it does. Your statement is false.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:15:44am |
does anybody here, besides Charles, have a real job?....I'm unemployed
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SixDegrees Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:15:50am |
Well, it's a nice day, with temperatures pushing into the 40s and melting what little snow remains on my driveway.
Still, I think I'll go outside and burn a few tires to clear off what's left. Just to be a dick.
BBL.
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drcordell Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:15:59am |
Is there anything more delightful than hearing the news that a family values Republican got busted picking up dudes at a gay bar? God I love schadenfreude.
[Link: www.talkingpointsmemo.com...]
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Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:16:15am |
re: #749 Charles
Unfortunately, like several people have done recently, Irish Rose sent me a very insulting email and delinked LGF at her blog, because I wouldn't ban her personal enemies for her.
Personally I can't understand why anyone would want their personal "enemies" banned. Crushing them with sarcasm is one of life's little joys.
Of course, that does not go for stalkers and anti-Semites.
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Ericus58 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:16:20am |
re: #838 SixDegrees
You haven't missed anything.
Sweet!
Actually, I'm sure there have been several good posts and ideas - and some that may have allowed me to get into trouble.
I'm trouble-free!!
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Bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:16:25am |
re: #836 LudwigVanQuixote
You are such a liar that you even lie about the lies you told not ten minutes ago.
.
Argue with yourself psychopath, I'm not interested in your ignorance. Each time we have discussed actual facts you have been proven wrong, this is why you require juvenile insults.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:16:25am |
re: #842 albusteve
does anybody here, besides Charles, have a real job?...I'm unemployed
I pimp loans to students, hassle folk who owe us money, and make coffee.
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The Sanity Inspector Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:16:48am |
re: #803 LudwigVanQuixote
A question about this data review: When it's done, what will they announce? Will it be along the lines of "After further review, the data support/do not support the theory of AGW?" Or will it be more "the data were/were not collected/compiled/applied properly"?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:17:25am |
re: #829 Bagua
That is correspondence not verification, and no, it does not "match closely".
Also a lie.
When making outrageous claims about science one should be abe to back those things up with facts and data.
Again, this is basic science which you obviously do not even begin to think is worth your time to bring to a science discussion. Bring data of your own. Simply saying you think something is some way over and over does not cut it. You are wrong about what you think and in any case, you need to be able to support your claims.
You never even try. Then you have the chutzpah to lecture others on what science is, when you do not follow even the most basic rules of it.
Simply shouting your lies over and over does not make them true.
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Bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:17:35am |
re: #841 Charles
Yes, it does. Your statement is false.
The data sets correspond, they do not "match". That is clear and beyond dispute.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:17:41am |
re: #845 Cato the Elder
Personally I can't understand why anyone would want their personal "enemies" banned. Crushing them with sarcasm is one of life's little joys.
Of course, that does not go for stalkers and anti-Semites.
lot's of very insecure people involved in that entire drama....it might be funny if it wasn't so pathetic
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:18:22am |
re: #842 albusteve
does anybody here, besides Charles, have a real job?...I'm unemployed
Same here... unemployed... an occasional small project for Kaiser, telecommute, but nothing really cooking right now.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:18:23am |
re: #847 Bagua
Dude, you're directly lying about the MET inquiry and the correspondence between CRU data and other temperature records. Do you think people won't notice that you're lying?
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Vambo Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:18:35am |
this thread is getting way too crazy - Israel, Texas, AGW
how about some 1990s power pop, that always makes me feel better:
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Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:18:36am |
re: #753 idioma
Shooting the messenger is trendy.
According to Ludwig, evil has no messenger.
In view of your take on Israel, he may want to revise that statement.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:18:58am |
re: #848 Guanxi88
I pimp loans to students, hassle folk who owe us money, and make coffee.
when I heal up, I'm gonna wash car windows at the 7-11....I'm saving newsprint....can't wait
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Bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:19:33am |
re: #850 LudwigVanQuixote
Again, until you learn to debate without juvenile insults I will just gaze at your repetitive nonsense.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:19:53am |
re: #853 Walter L. Newton
Same here... unemployed... an occasional small project for Kaiser, telecommute, but nothing really cooking right now.
we shall endeavor to persevere
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Eclectic Infidel Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:20:35am |
re: #801 Bagua
Only the Pope has the presumption of infallibility.
Only if you're of the Catholic faith and a true believer. Just sayin'.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:20:36am |
re: #858 Bagua
If I had a dollar for every time you claimed you were going to start ignoring Ludwig, I'd be able to buy solar panels for my house.
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Bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:20:40am |
re: #854 Obdicut
Dude, you're directly lying about the MET inquiry and the correspondence between CRU data and other temperature records. Do you think people won't notice that you're lying?
Don't be such a hostile sycophant Obdicut, it is not attractive. I've said nothing that is a "lie". You are simply engaging in slander.
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cliffster Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:20:42am |
re: #842 albusteve
does anybody here, besides Charles, have a real job?...I'm unemployed
Sitting in front of a computer all day is not a real job, no matter how much they pay you. So I say that I am employed, but don't have a real job
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SixDegrees Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:20:46am |
re: #849 The Sanity Inspector
A question about this data review: When it's done, what will they announce? Will it be along the lines of "After further review, the data support/do not support the theory of AGW?" Or will it be more "the data were/were not collected/compiled/applied properly"?
The point is to shore up a shortcoming of CRU's data management techniques, and created a dataset whose creation and contents have been rigorously documented and that is freely available to all. It isn't a review; it's an effort to create an undisputed dataset with a known, documented pedigree.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:20:49am |
re: #777 iceweasel
It seems to me a split works best. Executive from one party, the legislative with a majority of the other party.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:20:49am |
re: #857 albusteve
when I heal up, I'm gonna wash car windows at the 7-11...I'm saving newsprint...can't wait
I had a dream job some years ago. I fixed furniture - some antiques, some just old rickety stuff.
Loved the work, but wasn't too keen on not always getting paid on-time. (Shop owner was more of an artist than a businessman; a common problem with the highly-skilled in the craft trades.)
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:21:07am |
re: #859 albusteve
we shall endeavor to persevere
Either that, or I'm moving to NM... er... to a bunker... outside of Albq.
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The Sanity Inspector Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:21:21am |
re: #823 cliffster
It'll be funny when civilization is destroyed by tectonics before global warming can ever get to us. Well, not funny ha-ha.
Or maybe we'll finally get everyone on board with bringing the emissions down, and then we'll get wiped out when Eta Carinae blows up more violently than expected.
מענטש טראַכט, גאָט לאַכט
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drcordell Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:21:22am |
re: #851 Bagua
The data sets correspond, they do not "match". That is clear and beyond dispute.
Main Entry: correspond
Part of Speech: verb
Definition: agree, complement
Synonyms:
accord, amount, approach, assimilate, be consistent, be identical to, be similar to, coincide, compare, conform, correlate, dovetail, equal, fit, harmonize, lip sync, match, partake of, reciprocate, resemble, rival, square, tally, touch
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:21:52am |
re: #863 cliffster
Sitting in front of a computer all day is not a real job, no matter how much they pay you. So I say that I am employed, but don't have a real job
Fine... leave it... I'll be right over... I've sat in front of a computer for over 25 years getting paid for it... I wouldn't mind doing it again.
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Bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:21:59am |
re: #861 Obdicut
If I had a dollar for every time you claimed you were going to start ignoring Ludwig, I'd be able to buy solar panels for my house.
He keeps addressing me which is why I respond.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:22:43am |
re: #847 Bagua
Argue with yourself psychopath, I'm not interested in your ignorance. Each time we have discussed actual facts you have been proven wrong, this is why you require juvenile insults.
Woah woah woah....
You made a false claim and then you claimed not ten minutes later that you didn't even make the claim...
Umm you lied, and you lied about lying and now like clockwork you are calling me names.
Since I have decided to no longer get angry with you, because you just are beyond redemption, and you will fail to get the rise out of me that you are hoping to get, in order to deflect the conversation of you being caught in lies, yet again, you will soon, like clockwork, start to whine about being persecuted.
None of that changes the fact that all you do is smear the science, abuse the science, lie about the science and then lie about lying when you aren't trying your other shticks.
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:23:02am |
re: #852 albusteve
lot's of very insecure people involved in that entire drama...it might be funny if it wasn't so pathetic
Rubbish.
Rose demanded that people she disliked be banned.
As far as I am aware, no one has ever demanded that Rose be banned.
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drcordell Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:23:27am |
re: #873 LudwigVanQuixote
Throw in botching the definitions of "match" and "correspond" as well.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:23:40am |
re: #838 SixDegrees
You haven't missed anything.
Bullshit. You became emperor-in-waiting. So...we have that going for us.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:23:41am |
re: #862 Bagua
Is 'hostile sycophant' in reference to the fact that Charles is also saying you're lying, or what?
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Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:23:57am |
re: #862 Bagua
Don't be such a hostile sycophant Obdicut, it is not attractive. I've said nothing that is a "lie". You are simply engaging in slander.
This is what you wrote:
That is correspondence not verification, and no, it does not "match closely"
But the truth is that the data DOES match closely.
Are you lying or are just ill-informed? Because those are the two possibilities.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:24:04am |
re: #869 The Sanity Inspector
Or maybe we'll finally get everyone on board with bringing the emissions down, and then we'll get wiped out when Eta Carinae blows up more violently than expected.
מענטש טראַכט, גאָט לאַכט
Gamma ray burst, anyone?
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oldegeezr Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:24:23am |
re: #823 cliffster
re: #825 EmmmieG
I’m more concerned about the proverbial pole shift that would make all our GPS satellites obsolete instantly and causes all planes and ships at sea to return to their embarkation locations, rather than completing their initial routes to their supposed destinations…talk about not knowin' if yer comin’ or goin’…?
I’ve read somewhere that pole shifts occur on the sun rather frequently…
Oh, Oooo!
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Bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:24:31am |
re: #870 drcordell
Main Entry: correspond
Part of Speech: verb
Definition: agree, complement
Synonyms:
accord, amount, approach, assimilate, be consistent, be identical to, be similar to, coincide, compare, conform, correlate, dovetail, equal, fit, harmonize, lip sync, match, partake of, reciprocate, resemble, rival, square, tally, touch
That is semantics, the data are not identical, the curves generally fit, in that they both go up in the summer and down in the winter, but they vary in their actual measurements, thus they do not match.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:24:35am |
re: #834 Obdicut
Ah. So he wasn't saying nobody had asked to see the methodology. And since the raw data is either going to be publicly already available, or under constrained IP, I can't see why anyone would ask for it.
You are so far away from the details of this whole thing, how can anyone discuss anything with you. Read the transcript first and then talk... it's only 47 pages long...
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:25:02am |
re: #865 Rightwingconspirator
It seems to me a split works best. Executive from one party, the legislative with a majority of the other party.
Agreed. And that's also what Americans in general seem to like anyway. (Repub gains in the midterms under Clinton, for example).
I personally don't like it when the executive and legislative have the same party for any length of time, and I don't give a shit if it's 'my team'.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:25:25am |
re: #880 oldegeezr
The poles in the United States shift every four years, but we get by.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:25:31am |
re: #856 Cato the Elder
According to Ludwig, evil has no messenger.
In view of your take on Israel, he may want to revise that statement.
Clever play on words... Though alas, Cato, you really need to study some Talmud, the loved the word as much as you do.
Evil has no messenger as a principle is that the messenger is evil too for carrying out the evil act - and it goes both ways.
No one is excused.
So shooting the messenger already applies.
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SixDegrees Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:25:37am |
re: #876 Aceofwhat?
Bullshit. You became emperor-in-waiting. So...we have that going for us.
Well, yes, there's that.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:26:30am |
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The Sanity Inspector Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:26:31am |
re: #749 Charles
Unfortunately, like several people have done recently, Irish Rose sent me a very insulting email and delinked LGF at her blog, because I wouldn't ban her personal enemies for her.
*sigh*... Sorry it came to that.
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Bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:26:37am |
re: #878 Charles
But the truth is that the data DOES match closely.
Are you lying or are just ill-informed? Because those are the two possibilities.
Define "match closely". I see three graphs that correspond but are not identical. 1 or 2 tenths of a degree is significant in this discussion.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:26:44am |
re: #832 EmmmieG
*Insert traditional rant about nothing that happened in the song being ironic, just unfortunate*
Marry me!
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drcordell Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:26:55am |
re: #881 Bagua
That is semantics, the data are not identical, the curves generally fit, in that they both go up in the summer and down in the winter, but they vary in their actual measurements, thus they do not match.
I haven't read through all of the latest developments in the case. But from what I have read, this whole controversy is much ado about nothing. AGW exists, and there is more than enough data to support that conclusion. Why are we even debating this?
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Bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:27:12am |
re: #877 Obdicut
Is 'hostile sycophant' in reference to the fact that Charles is also saying you're lying, or what?
No, it is a direct observation of your behaviour.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:27:24am |
re: #882 Walter L. Newton
Explain to me what I'm missing, then, Walter, instead of making vague allegations of me being far away from the details.
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cliffster Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:27:26am |
re: #880 oldegeezr
re: #825 EmmmieG
I’m more concerned about the proverbial pole shift that would make all our GPS satellites obsolete instantly and causes all planes and ships at sea to return to their embarkation locations, rather than completing their initial routes to their supposed destinations…talk about not knowin' if yer comin’ or goin’…?
I’ve read somewhere that pole shifts occur on the sun rather frequently…
Oh, Oooo!
Geologic shit happens all the time that would be catastrophic to civilization. The only saving grace is that "all the time" is in universe terms, so the chance of it happening in any one lifetime is enormously small. See what I did? I said "enormously small".
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:27:36am |
re: #883 iceweasel
Agreed. And that's also what Americans in general seem to like anyway. (Repub gains in the midterms under Clinton, for example).
I personally don't like it when the executive and legislative have the same party for any length of time, and I don't give a shit if it's 'my team'.
totally agree. love it.
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:27:39am |
re: #824 Obdicut
As I've explained to you before, this is not a problem. You don't want to test the CRU output with the identical input data, you want to randomly sample temperature records and compare them to the CRU output. That's a true test of their output, since it would reveal if CRU were cherry-picking stations.
I'm not sure why that's hard for you to understand.
That's a good point and something else addressed in the guardian article:
But for the first time he did concede publicly that when he tried to repeat the 1990 study in 2008, he came up with radically different findings. Or, as he put it, "a slightly different conclusion". Fully 40% of warming there in the past 60 years was due to urban influences. "It's something we need to consider," he said.
So the 2nd time he ran the numbers through there was a 40% difference in result..."slightly different result". I guess that means 40% is within the margin of error.
If the guardian story is misrepresenting what Jones meant I'd love to see a clarification from another source you might have.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:27:43am |
re: #877 Obdicut
Is 'hostile sycophant' in reference to the fact that Charles is also saying you're lying, or what?
Ohh by the way he was calling me psycho... This after his concern about getting schizophrenia correct and not diagnosing over the web....
I know it is a cheap shot but sometimes you just have to take the melons when they are given.
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oldegeezr Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:28:34am |
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albusteve Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:29:12am |
re: #867 Walter L. Newton
Either that, or I'm moving to NM... er... to a bunker... outside of Albq.
cross the border and you become enchanted...says so on our license plates....so come down to the bunker house
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Bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:29:38am |
re: #882 Walter L. Newton
You are so far away from the details of this whole thing, how can anyone discuss anything with you. Read the transcript first and then talk... it's only 47 pages long...
He just heckles to show his fidelity. He doesn't need to actually read or learn anything to do this. Ludwig does the same thing, but at least he is familiar with the underlying science.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:29:42am |
re: #892 Bagua
So how am I a sycophant?
re: #896 RogueOne
I don't even know where to begin, man.
This might help, since I really don't have the time or the skill to run through everything:
[Link: www.realclimate.org...]
[Link: www.realclimate.org...]
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:30:18am |
re: #898 Bagua
Gaze
Heh... and that will last how long?
Dude you are a liar. That is the truth and everyone sees it. Don't hate on me for pointing out that you really fool no one. They too see you are lying and that you do it habitually about this topic.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:30:55am |
re: #889 Bagua
Define "match closely". I see three graphs that correspond but are not identical. 1 or 2 tenths of a degree is significant in this discussion.
No, thanks. Find someone else to play semantics with.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:31:55am |
re: #885 LudwigVanQuixote
Clever play on words... Though alas, Cato, you really need to study some Talmud, the loved the word as much as you do.
Evil has no messenger as a principle is that the messenger is evil too for carrying out the evil act - and it goes both ways.
No one is excused.
So shooting the messenger already applies.
Not sure I grok that entirely. If the messenger's only role is to come and tell you that one of your provinces has just been overrun by Assyrians, what then?
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albusteve Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:32:14am |
re: #874 iceweasel
Rubbish.
Rose demanded that people she disliked be banned.As far as I am aware, no one has ever demanded that Rose be banned.
whatever....Rose walked into that mess on her own with that crazy hit list crap...it's ugly enough without exacerbating the situation
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:32:19am |
re: #882 Walter L. Newton
You are so far away from the details of this whole thing, how can anyone discuss anything with you. Read the transcript first and then talk... it's only 47 pages long...
Walter, you might notice that you got caught this very thread furiously back pedaling yet again?
Remember that?
It was maybe half an hour ago.
Don't you dare go on about the details of this. You don't know the first thing about them really and you get caught in your own BS over and over.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:32:43am |
re: #885 LudwigVanQuixote
Clever play on words... Though alas, Cato, you really need to study some Talmud, the loved the word as much as you do.
Evil has no messenger as a principle is that the messenger is evil too for carrying out the evil act - and it goes both ways.
No one is excused.
So shooting the messenger already applies.
Remind me - someday when we're in the mood, i'd love a more thorough education from you, SFZ, Alouette, et al on the evolution of 'sanctioned battle' over the millenia as it pertains to the Jewish faith. I believe that I get the general idea from my Old Testament...but i'd love to have a more detailed understanding.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:33:04am |
re: #907 LudwigVanQuixote
Walter, you might notice that you got caught this very thread furiously back pedaling yet again?
Remember that?
It was maybe half an hour ago.
Don't you dare go on about the details of this. You don't know the first thing about them really and you get caught in your own BS over and over.
Back peddling about what? Define? Clarify? (I'm waiting for this?)
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Bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:33:12am |
re: #891 drcordell
I haven't read through all of the latest developments in the case. But from what I have read, this whole controversy is much ado about nothing. AGW exists, and there is more than enough data to support that conclusion. Why are we even debating this?
I see, another uninformed critic. LOL.
Anyone sensibly informed knows that the Parliamentary Inquiry is not about whether "AGW exists" or not.
What is amusing is that no single aspect of AGW can be discussed here without these resorts to faith based statements on AGW. It is always about whether one "believes in AGW" or is a "denier". This is evidence that what we are discussing is a matter of faith, and not science.
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oldegeezr Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:33:18am |
re: #894 cliffster
“…See what I did? I said "enormously small".
Yer also quite, actually very, cute!
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:34:36am |
re: #906 albusteve
whatever...Rose walked into that mess on her own with that crazy hit list crap...it's ugly enough without exacerbating the situation
No one's exacerbating it. I did think my above clarification was in order.
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cliffster Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:35:05am |
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:35:23am |
re: #862 Bagua
Don't be such a hostile sycophant Obdicut, it is not attractive. I've said nothing that is a "lie". You are simply engaging in slander.
wholly unnecessary and personal. rare downding. do better.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:35:25am |
re: #844 drcordell
Is there anything more delightful than hearing the news that a family values Republican got busted picking up dudes at a gay bar? God I love schadenfreude.
[Link: www.talkingpointsmemo.com...]
Yes. Having an ethical politician of whatever party lead by example, show that his guiding principles mean something towards his behavior, and that his political actions are primarily guided towards what is good for his constituents, state, and country even when that conflicts with his ability to continually get re-elected.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:35:48am |
re: #905 Cato the Elder
Not sure I grok that entirely. If the messenger's only role is to come and tell you that one of your provinces has just been overrun by Assyrians, what then?
Metaphor and the issues of direct translation of a colloquial phrase.
If the messenger is simply a messenger telling you bad news, there is no blame.
The idea is that you can not send someone else to do an evil act for you (a "messenger") and be absolved and that further the one sent to do the evil act is also not absolved just because he was following his instructions.
The point is that everyone has a freewill choice to not do the evil act from the one who ordered it all the way down the chain of those who enabled and those who carried it out. Each of them could have done differently. No one is absolved. All bear guilt.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:36:08am |
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:36:17am |
re: #914 Aceofwhat?
I am pretty damn crushed that Bagua considers me unattractive. I know I haven't gotten a haircut in awhile, but I though my high-collar sweater offset that.
Oh well.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:37:13am |
re: #907 LudwigVanQuixote
Walter, you might notice that you got caught this very thread furiously back pedaling yet again?
Remember that?
It was maybe half an hour ago.
Don't you dare go on about the details of this. You don't know the first thing about them really and you get caught in your own BS over and over.
I don't think your aggression and elevated status really intimidates anybody....jolly up
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:37:19am |
re: #919 Obdicut
I am pretty damn crushed that Bagua considers me unattractive. I know I haven't gotten a haircut in awhile, but I though my high-collar sweater offset that.
Oh well.
When in doubt, get a haircut. Same principle applies to trousers.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:38:16am |
re: #919 Obdicut
I am pretty damn crushed that Bagua considers me unattractive. I know I haven't gotten a haircut in awhile, but I though my high-collar sweater offset that.
Oh well.
it's relative. you were standing next to me. and i am fucking gorgeous//
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:38:19am |
re: #909 Walter L. Newton
Back peddling about what? Define? Clarify? (I'm waiting for this?)
Read upthread Walter,
Like Charles I am not in the mood for your word games today.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:40:10am |
re: #921 albusteve
I don't think your aggression and elevated status really intimidates anybody...jolly up
I really don't think I have been aggressive at all stevo.
I mean they were caught directly lying and furiously back pedalling and then even repeating the lies. That's all here on the thread.
Calling a liar a liar is called being honest, not aggressive.
Now calling you an asshole is also being honest, but it is also aggressive :)
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:40:56am |
re: #924 LudwigVanQuixote
Read upthread Walter,
Like Charles I am not in the mood for your word games today.
I asked you "Back peddling about what? Define? Clarify? (I'm waiting for this?)"
Can't do it? Of course you can't, because I didn't and you haven't been paying attention to what I have been saying.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:41:28am |
re: #912 iceweasel
No one's exacerbating it. I did think my above clarification was in order.
it was...and I watched that whole thing unfold too and thought it was pointless to defend every indignation and threat...it just escalated from there instead of hoping it might die on the vine...I'm not pretending to be anything or anybody in particular, just trying to see it from a practical point of view
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Bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:41:30am |
I see I'm not having my comments deleted to give the false impression that they are more objectionable than the insults I am receiving.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:42:05am |
re: #842 albusteve
does anybody here, besides Charles, have a real job?...I'm unemployed
I'm still pulling a paycheck. Ask me again in 3-4 months though and I might have a different story. (No details until some things become official.)
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Bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:42:27am |
Pimf:
I see I'm now having my comments deleted to give the false impression that they are more objectionable than the insults I am receiving.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:42:38am |
re: #919 Obdicut
I am pretty damn crushed that Bagua considers me unattractive. I know I haven't gotten a haircut in awhile, but I though my high-collar sweater offset that.
Oh well.
do your nails match the sweater?
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:42:42am |
Ya know, as one with what might be described (generously) as a really bad personality, I don't get the personal animosity of some folk in here.
I mean, I've disagreed violently and vociferously - to the extent one could do this online - but there's probably not more than a handful of Lizards with whom I wouldn't sit down and have a round of beers or whatever else is going around or on offer.
There are no enemies here, except those who think there are.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:43:31am |
re: #925 LudwigVanQuixote
I really don't think I have been aggressive at all stevo.
I mean they were caught directly lying and furiously back pedalling and then even repeating the lies. That's all here on the thread.
Calling a liar a liar is called being honest, not aggressive.
Now calling you an asshole is also being honest, but it is also aggressive :)
why are you calling me an asshole?...I love you like a brother
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:43:35am |
re: #931 albusteve
My nails are a little ragged and one of them's too long, and the sweater is in good shape, so no.
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Bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:44:27am |
re: #925 LudwigVanQuixote
Now calling you an asshole is also being honest, but it is also aggressive :)
And typical of your avarice and lack of maturity.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:45:18am |
re: #934 Obdicut
My nails are a little ragged and one of them's too long, and the sweater is in good shape, so no.
Are you wearing an oxford shirt underneath? Sometimes that's the key
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albusteve Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:45:36am |
re: #929 oaktree
I'm still pulling a paycheck. Ask me again in 3-4 months though and I might have a different story. (No details until some things become official.)
good luck to you....I really don't need a job, so I'm pretty fortunate there....but I like my spartan lifestyle...I'm free as a bird...hope it works out for you
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:45:48am |
re: #903 LudwigVanQuixote
Heh... and that will last how long?
Dude you are a liar. That is the truth and everyone sees it. Don't hate on me for pointing out that you really fool no one. They too see you are lying and that you do it habitually about this topic.
You called it. No surprise.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:45:52am |
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:46:04am |
re: #920 LudwigVanQuixote
See my 916 :)
So my (wholly amateurish) understanding of the past 3,000 years is, very generally, that it has become less and less necessary for G-d (is that the most polite way to discuss...uhhh...you-know-who with religious Jews?) to directly assist and lead Israel in battle.
The necessity of certain battles post-Exodus is quite clear, to me. Israel was not going to sit around and be torn apart when faithful.
(Psalms - 7:1 YWH, my God, I take refuge in you.
Save me from all those who pursue me, and deliver me,
7:2 lest they tear apart my soul like a lion,
ripping it in pieces, while there is none to deliver.)
Over time, it became less necessary for Israel to meet her enemies in battle. So there was a natural progression away from war, as it was only sanctioned when necessary. Is that a generally accurate understanding?
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:47:00am |
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Bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:47:13am |
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Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:47:45am |
re: #935 Bagua
And typical of your avarice and lack of maturity.
Avarice?
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
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oldegeezr Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:47:59am |
re: #913 cliffster
I know, I get that all the time…people talking, that is.
“You couldn’t possibly be related... they’re all so much better looking, Geezer!”
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cliffster Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:48:16am |
re: #937 albusteve
good luck to you...I really don't need a job, so I'm pretty fortunate there...but I like my spartan lifestyle...I'm free as a bird...hope it works out for you
I'm really starting to think you might be my dad. How crazy would that be, anyways? Oh wait, you mean you're "insert-nick"?? Oh, hey, sorry I called you a ego-bloated nazi asshole the other day...
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:48:30am |
re: #941 Guanxi88
It's true. I'm wearing large, ugly boots because it's been rainy and I just don't spend money on shoes.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:49:45am |
re: #947 Obdicut
It's true. I'm wearing large, ugly boots because it's been rainy and I just don't spend money on shoes.
Well, based on the data-set available, I think we've got to determine it's just some sort of anomalous reaction. Nothing seems too out of place.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:50:11am |
re: #928 Bagua
I see I'm not having my comments deleted to give the false impression that they are more objectionable than the insults I am receiving.
I have occasionally believed that i have been insulted more than i was insulting. I still regret what I said that i ought not have, and apologized for it as best as possible.
It's just so hard to be sympathetic when the poo stains on your hand are from throwing it vs. catching it.
Step one: distinguish yourself.
Step two: politely object.
Not sayin' I do that right, myself. just sayin'.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:50:44am |
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:50:48am |
re: #943 Cato the Elder
Avarice?
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
I am not left-handed!!
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Bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:50:52am |
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Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:51:14am |
re: #916 LudwigVanQuixote
Metaphor and the issues of direct translation of a colloquial phrase.
If the messenger is simply a messenger telling you bad news, there is no blame.
The idea is that you can not send someone else to do an evil act for you (a "messenger") and be absolved and that further the one sent to do the evil act is also not absolved just because he was following his instructions.
The point is that everyone has a freewill choice to not do the evil act from the one who ordered it all the way down the chain of those who enabled and those who carried it out. Each of them could have done differently. No one is absolved. All bear guilt.
Very cogent explanation. Thanks. Maybe if one were to put it into more modern English, it would be "evil has no proxy".
Nah.
Anyway, what about those philippics now? Who's the target? How many words do you want? Seriously.
I'll try not to be evil about it, but at this point I can't afford not to be a hired gun.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:51:37am |
re: #950 albusteve
brown shoes with a blue suit?...oh have mercy
Howzabout a brown cap-toed walker on one foot, and a black walker on the other. It happened once, and I got about two blocks before I realized the error.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:51:56am |
re: #946 cliffster
I'm really starting to think you might be my dad. How crazy would that be, anyways? Oh wait, you mean you're "insert-nick"?? Oh, hey, sorry I called you a ego-bloated nazi asshole the other day...
heh...who knows?
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:52:11am |
re: #937 albusteve
I'm not sweating things that badly by any means, especially compared to the hardships some friends (and fellow lizards) appear to have. Events are actually favoring continued employment, I have some alternate means of income lined up as a contingency, am currently debt-free, and I also have savings to fall back on if necessary.
And very little to tie me down if a re-location proves necessary.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:53:01am |
re: #950 albusteve
brown shoes with a blue suit?...oh have mercy
It can be done. it's just not easy.
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Bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:53:18am |
re: #949 Aceofwhat?
I have occasionally believed that i have been insulted more than i was insulting. I still regret what I said that i ought not have, and apologized for it as best as possible.
It's just so hard to be sympathetic when the poo stains on your hand are from throwing it vs. catching it.
Step one: distinguish yourself.
Step two: politely object.Not sayin' I do that right, myself. just sayin'.
Agreed. And I've noted you were recently in my position and handled it better than I.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:54:10am |
re: #956 oaktree
I'm not sweating things that badly by any means, especially compared to the hardships some friends (and fellow lizards) appear to have. Events are actually favoring continued employment, I have some alternate means of income lined up as a contingency, am currently debt-free, and I also have savings to fall back on if necessary.
And very little to tie me down if a re-location proves necessary.
good for you....debt is a back breaker and remember, cash rules!
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:54:12am |
re: #956 oaktree
And very little to tie me down if a re-location proves necessary.
I was going through my denver pics from last year and seriously considering a move. If I follow through with closing the shop it's awful tempting.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:54:23am |
re: #954 Guanxi88
Howzabout a brown cap-toed walker on one foot, and a black walker on the other. It happened once, and I got about two blocks before I realized the error.
C'mon, be honest. You got one block before a crowd of kids was following you, hooting and clapping. You got two blocks before you would admit to yourself that it was about you. ;^)
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:55:02am |
re: #958 Bagua
Agreed. And I've noted you were recently in my position and handled it better than I.
Every day is another day to do better. Hopefully if nothing else we all come back tomorrow with empty agendas and cheerful hearts.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:55:27am |
re: #950 albusteve
brown shoes with a blue suit?...oh have mercy
Didn't Frank have a song about that, even? "Brown shoes don't make it..." or some such.
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Bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:57:18am |
re: #962 Aceofwhat?
Every day is another day to do better. Hopefully if nothing else we all come back tomorrow with empty agendas and cheerful hearts.
My hope too, I still hope for the day when we can discuss AGW on this forum without all the "liar, liar pants are on fire" type of nonsense.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:57:21am |
the key to a positive blog experience is to be friendly and forgiving...jollyness is a good thing even when you are called rude names for no reason...so it is written
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:57:24am |
re: #953 Cato the Elder
Very cogent explanation. Thanks. Maybe if one were to put it into more modern English, it would be "evil has no proxy".
Nah.
Anyway, what about those philippics now? Who's the target? How many words do you want? Seriously.
I'll try not to be evil about it, but at this point I can't afford not to be a hired gun.
Well on the next thread up I tried my hand at one by detailing the parallels between the tobacco causes cancer deniers, the evolution deniers and the AGW deniers and noting that the three groups involved, tobacco, Christian Right and Big Oil have much control of the GOP.
Give it a read and please see if you can dress it up :)
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albusteve Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:58:32am |
re: #960 RogueOne
I was going through my denver pics from last year and seriously considering a move. If I follow through with closing the shop it's awful tempting.
for an urbanite, Denver is a super town to live in imo....not perfect but it has it all
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:59:27am |
re: #928 Bagua
I see I'm not having my comments deleted to give the false impression that they are more objectionable than the insults I am receiving.
NO it is because you are lying in them and attacking people. Now on cue you are whining about it with a false sense of persecution.
You are being persecuted, but you earned it. Take it like a man.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 4, 2010 10:59:28am |
re: #910 Bagua
I see, another uninformed critic. LOL.
Anyone sensibly informed knows that the Parliamentary Inquiry is not about whether "AGW exists" or not.
What is amusing is that no single aspect of AGW can be discussed here without these resorts to faith based statements on AGW. It is always about whether one "believes in AGW" or is a "denier". This is evidence that what we are discussing is a matter of faith, and not science.
It's amusing that you're pulling this nonsense again, right after I wrote a whole post about this tactic.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:00:21am |
re: #963 Cato the Elder
Didn't Frank have a song about that, even? "Brown shoes don't make it..." or some such.
probably....he did a million songs so it would not surprise me...he was cool, I liked him
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:00:24am |
re: #964 Bagua
My hope too, I still hope for the day when we can discuss AGW on this forum without all the "liar, liar pants are on fire" type of nonsense.
Then don't lie. It's very easy. I mean dude when Charles is updinging things that call you a liar, you should have a clue that your lies are really well noticed by everyone.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:01:44am |
re: #930 Bagua
Pimf:
I see I'm now having my comments deleted to give the false impression that they are more objectionable than the insults I am receiving.
You're never very good a playing interwebs psychiatrist, Bagua, and this post is no exception.
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Bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:02:45am |
I challenge anyone to list a "lie" attributed to me. That charge is nonsense.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:03:29am |
re: #935 Bagua
And typical of your avarice and lack of maturity.
Umm dude, avarice is greed.
I am many things, but greedy is not one of them.. right I'm the one who argues that our overly material culture leads us to justify evil... routinely.
But nice try...
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:04:26am |
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Bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:04:44am |
re: #974 LudwigVanQuixote
You are late, that was pointed out by two others and acknowledged my me. This is your problem Ludwig, you don't read before commenting.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:05:42am |
re: #966 LudwigVanQuixote
Well on the next thread up I tried my hand at one by detailing the parallels between the tobacco causes cancer deniers, the evolution deniers and the AGW deniers and noting that the three groups involved, tobacco, Christian Right and Big Oil have much control of the GOP.
Give it a read and please see if you can dress it up :)
I've noticed the convergence. I have a friend, a brilliant physicist, who's a heavy smoker and constantly derides the "junk science" behind anti-tobacco campaigns, as well as AGW.
Unfortunately I'm addicted to the Halfling's Weed, myself. But how anyone can claim that the correlation between smoking and disease is crap, after 50-odd years of proof, exceeds my wildest imaginings.
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:06:01am |
re: #973 Bagua
I challenge anyone to list a "lie" attributed to me. That charge is nonsense.
Ok. How about the claim that your comments are being 'selectively deleted' to somehow make you look bad.
Actually, leaving them up would make you look worse. You really think CJ is thinking about making you look bad, and not just about what makes the blog look bad?
Please.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:06:06am |
re: #975 Obdicut
Well, I fucked that up.
Here's the lie:
In what way was the CRU data "corroborated by other completely independent sources"? This process is only in the proposal stage and is expected to take 3 years and be a massive project.
The data is corroborated by the other temperature records and by two independent investigations already. The MET process is not in order to corroborate the output data but standardize data collection.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:07:35am |
re: #964 Bagua
My hope too, I still hope for the day when we can discuss AGW on this forum without all the "liar, liar pants are on fire" type of nonsense.
welll...again, it's just me...but if you take a list of AGW-related items A through Z (or, hell, evolution-related items - just speaking in generalities) and lay them on a spectrum that ranges from
"A is interesting and there is little research on it"
to
"just about everyone else here thinks Z is settled like oranges are orange"
and go off on Z, it's just not gonna go anywhere. at that point, it's terribly difficult to discern obstinance from falsehoods.
so i think that part of reducing the 'liar, liar' reaction, if that's a goal of yours, is sticking to arguments that span the A-T scale if A is virgin territory and Z is "what color is an orange".
make sense?
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Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:09:02am |
re: #952 Bagua
You missed this challenge Cato.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
I updinged it, even though the standard practice is not to decline Latin nouns in English beyond allowing for the difference between singular and plural.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:09:18am |
re: #977 Cato the Elder
I've noticed the convergence. I have a friend, a brilliant physicist, who's a heavy smoker and constantly derides the "junk science" behind anti-tobacco campaigns, as well as AGW.
Unfortunately I'm addicted to the Halfling's Weed, myself. But how anyone can claim that the correlation between smoking and disease is crap, after 50-odd years of proof, exceeds my wildest imaginings.
Uhhh...physicists aren't ever wrong. Duh///
(stick and move...stick and move)
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:09:45am |
re: #982 Cato the Elder
I updinged it, even though the standard practice is not to decline Latin nouns in English beyond allowing for the difference between singular and plural.
Hopefully the pedantic-squared bit took the edge off...
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:11:05am |
re: #978 iceweasel
Ok. How about the claim that your comments are being 'selectively deleted' to somehow make you look bad.
Actually, leaving them up would make you look worse. You really think CJ is thinking about making you look bad, and not just about what makes the blog look bad?
Please.
I disagree with you on occasion about stuff. But dammit, when you're right you're right. and this is so right.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:11:19am |
re: #974 LudwigVanQuixote
Umm dude, avarice is greed.
I am many things, but greedy is not one of them.. right I'm the one who argues that our overly material culture leads us to justify evil... routinely.
But nice try...
Oh, c'mon. You're not seekritly investing in potential carbon-credit schemes? You disappoint me.
You could use the money to reinvest in green tech, or pay me for jeremiads.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:11:59am |
re: #973 Bagua
I challenge anyone to list a "lie" attributed to me. That charge is nonsense.
Are you serious.. OK? let's look at this very thread shall we?
re: #829 Bagua
That is correspondence not verification, and no, it does not "match closely".
A lie.
What is amusing is that no single aspect of AGW can be discussed here without these resorts to faith based statements on AGW.
A lie. We talk about science and data all the time - or at keast those who care about science do.
In fact, this is a double lie, since you have yet to ever back up a single of your false claims about the science with any data of your own. Making statements about the nature of the universe without data is called faith. The only one who does that is you and your fellow deniers. The implication that it is others doing so is also a lie.
Then you lied that the inquiry into CRU was the
"scientific community squashing the data"
That is of course an outright lie. What was amusing was this was after you were lying that your intent was to discuss the politics of it, and that the investigation was political. To switch to making the political discussion - which you yourself claimed was political into a suddenly scientific one on the data - was also a type of lie.
So you lied, and you lied about lying and you even lied again that you didn't lie by posting this insipid challenge. You lied many times on this very thread.
It is insulting that yuo think we are all so stupid that we won't see it.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:12:13am |
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:12:43am |
re: #986 Cato the Elder
Egads! I'm invested in a hot sauce company. I'm contributing to global warming via increased methane emissions!!!1!!!
Hmm, what are the carbon credit costs for that...
:)
/ (massive)
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Bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:13:02am |
re: #978 iceweasel
That can not be demonstrated true or false as the comment is now deleted. Regardless, it is and opinion which is based upon perception.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:13:18am |
re: #976 Bagua
You are late, that was pointed out by two others and acknowledged my me. This is your problem Ludwig, you don't read before commenting.
Oh that's fine I was answering your challenge about pointing out your lies anyway. You've made plenty on this thread and I took the time to point them out. You did ask didn't you ;)
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prairiefire Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:14:26am |
Manners and dressing well. What a sophisticated blog.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:14:31am |
re: #990 Bagua
That can not be demonstrated true or false as the comment is now deleted. Regardless, it is and opinion which is based upon perception.
Umm care to look at 987 where only some of your many lies are detailed?
Liar
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:15:17am |
re: #990 Bagua
That can not be demonstrated true or false as the comment is now deleted. Regardless, it is and opinion which is based upon perception.
Now that is particularly weaselly of you... not only a liar but shameless as well.
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Bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:15:43am |
re: #991 LudwigVanQuixote
Oh that's fine I was answering your challenge about pointing out your lies anyway. You've made plenty on this thread and I took the time to point them out. You did ask didn't you ;)
There is were you are mistaken, my misuse of the word "avarice" was not a lie, you don't seem to understand the definition of the word 'lie'.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:16:07am |
re: #986 Cato the Elder
Oh, c'mon. You're not seekritly investing in potential carbon-credit schemes? You disappoint me.
You could use the money to reinvest in green tech, or pay me for jeremiads.
No jeremiads are my territory! You do the phillipics!
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RogueOne Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:16:20am |
re: #967 albusteve
for an urbanite, Denver is a super town to live in imo...not perfect but it has it all
I've missed it since the day I left and I was only there for 6 months or so. I was sick of looking at Indiana cornfields instead of mountains as soon as I got back home.
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:17:14am |
re: #996 LudwigVanQuixote
No jeremiads are my territory! You do the phillipics!
Back off man, I'm a scientist.
--Dr Peter Veckman.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:17:22am |
re: #995 Bagua
There is were you are mistaken, my misuse of the word "avarice" was not a lie, you don't seem to understand the definition of the word 'lie'.
Umm that is not waht I was talking about, that was just stupid. NO I listed some of your many lies, just from this thread alon in 987. You did challenge to have them pointed out. Look at it.
So in addition to lying we have deflection...
What a loser you are.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:18:23am |
re: #973 Bagua
I challenge anyone to list a "lie" attributed to me. That charge is nonsense.
Are you serious.. OK? let's look at this very thread shall we?
re: #829 Bagua
That is correspondence not verification, and no, it does not "match closely".
A lie.
What is amusing is that no single aspect of AGW can be discussed here without these resorts to faith based statements on AGW.
A lie. We talk about science and data all the time - or at keast those who care about science do.
In fact, this is a double lie, since you have yet to ever back up a single of your false claims about the science with any data of your own. Making statements about the nature of the universe without data is called faith. The only one who does that is you and your fellow deniers. The implication that it is others doing so is also a lie.
Then you lied that the inquiry into CRU was the
"scientific community squashing the data"
That is of course an outright lie. What was amusing was this was after you were lying that your intent was to discuss the politics of it, and that the investigation was political. To switch to making the political discussion - which you yourself claimed was political into a suddenly scientific one on the data - was also a type of lie.
So you lied, and you lied about lying and you even lied again that you didn't lie by posting this insipid challenge. You lied many times on this very thread.
It is insulting that yuo think we are all so stupid that we won't see it.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:18:35am |
re: #990 Bagua
That can not be demonstrated true or false as the comment is now deleted. Regardless, it is and opinion which is based upon perception.
yikes, homey. that shovel is going to give you blisters. there's this one dude whose perception = reality in these here parts. wait...his name will come to me if i try hard enough...
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Cato the Elder Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:20:21am |
re: #982 Cato the Elder
Just look how I bring people together! Bagua and Ice updinging the same post.
Next up: I solve the health-care crisis and reconcile Ludwig with his detractors.
Just gimme five while I go get my Bible.
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Bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:20:23am |
re: #987 LudwigVanQuixote
Not a single point you mention in a "lie", at worst I may be defining my terms different from you or even factually mistaken, neither of which would be a lie.
You are lying about me lying. And of course adding juvenile insults like "loser."
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:21:56am |
re: #1003 Bagua
Not a single point you mention in a "lie", at worst I may be defining my terms different from you or even factually mistaken, neither of which would be a lie.
You are lying about me lying. And of course adding juvenile insults like "loser."
Lol and you are so dishonest even to yourself that you can not see your own lies. Pathetic.
Of course you lied. It's all right there to see.
Of course you lied.
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Bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:22:14am |
re: #1002 Cato the Elder
Just look how I bring people together! Bagua and Ice updinging the same post.
Next up: I solve the health-care crisis and reconcile Ludwig with his detractors.
Just gimme five while I go get my Bible.
A scholar and a gentleman!
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:23:25am |
re: #973 Bagua
I challenge anyone to list a "lie" attributed to me. That charge is nonsense.
Are you serious.. OK? let's look at this very thread shall we?
re: #829 Bagua
That is correspondence not verification, and no, it does not "match closely".
A lie.
What is amusing is that no single aspect of AGW can be discussed here without these resorts to faith based statements on AGW.
A lie. We talk about science and data all the time - or at keast those who care about science do.
In fact, this is a double lie, since you have yet to ever back up a single of your false claims about the science with any data of your own. Making statements about the nature of the universe without data is called faith. The only one who does that is you and your fellow deniers. The implication that it is others doing so is also a lie.
Then you lied that the inquiry into CRU was the
"scientific community squashing the data"
That is of course an outright lie. What was amusing was this was after you were lying that your intent was to discuss the politics of it, and that the investigation was political. To switch to making the political discussion - which you yourself claimed was political into a suddenly scientific one on the data - was also a type of lie.
So you lied, and you lied about lying and you even lied again that you didn't lie by posting this insipid challenge. You lied many times on this very thread.
It is insulting that yuo think we are all so stupid that we won't see it.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:23:58am |
re: #1005 Bagua
A scholar and a gentleman!
A liar trying desperately to get the light shifted off of himself... poor bagua....
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:26:23am |
re: #1001 Aceofwhat?
yikes, homey. that shovel is going to give you blisters. there's this one dude whose perception = reality in these here parts. wait...his name will come to me if i try hard enough...
It's just crazy. What do we have, something in the range of 40K plus registrants? -- the people logged in are only like a tenth or a twelfth of the over a thousand people online and reading LGF at any given minute. Who the hell imagines that CJ is thinking about making a commenter here 'look bad' when he deletes comments, and not, like any normal and responsible blogger would, thinking about what's best for the blog and the entire reading community?
It's just insanity and also hubris to imagine otherwise. Also paranoid, frankly.
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Bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:27:44am |
re: #1004 LudwigVanQuixote
Lol and you are so dishonest even to yourself that you can not see your own lies. Pathetic.
Of course you lied. It's all right there to see.
Of course you lied.
I'll just leave you to your little name calling game Ludwig. I'm not interested and I have other things to do.
The items you are cut and pasting are not "lies" as I have explained above. If anything, they show your typical mistakes and lack of knowledge.
Your schoolyard game is curious, coming from a man who claims to be a published "scientist", yet here you are on the internet playing little games and calling people names. Is that being a 'winner'?
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:29:38am |
re: #1003 Bagua
Not a single point you mention in a "lie", at worst I may be defining my terms different from you or even factually mistaken, neither of which would be a lie.
You are lying about me lying. And of course adding juvenile insults like "loser."
I might agree that 'loser' could be a little unnecessary. Of course, in light of "hostile sycophant", the point is utterly lost.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:30:20am |
re: #1009 Bagua
I'll just leave you to your little name calling game Ludwig. I'm not interested and I have other things to do.
The items you are cut and pasting are not "lies" as I have explained above. If anything, they show your typical mistakes and lack of knowledge.
Your schoolyard game is curious, coming from a man who claims to be a published "scientist", yet here you are on the internet playing little games and calling people names. Is that being a 'winner'?
Umm duder...
I didn't force you to write all those lies. You sorta brought this on yourself.
You know evil having no messenger...
Whining about it or lashing out at me will not change that people are on to you. At this point, you have bigger problems than me.
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:31:06am |
re: #1010 Bagua
Again with the hubris. I assure you that you spend waaaay more time thinking about me than I do about you Bagua.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:31:59am |
re: #1010 Bagua
Iceweasel smells blood and zeroes in on her pray. LOL
Actually, if she made this much sense every day, she'd be a moderate Christian conservative...
*ducks*
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:32:05am |
re: #1013 iceweasel
Again with the hubris. I assure you that you spend waaay more time thinking about me than I do about you Bagua.
Yeah really dude, she has Jimmah.
Jimmah is smarter and better looking and much better in bed than you.
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Aye Pod Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:32:29am |
re: #1011 Aceofwhat?
I might agree that 'loser' could be a little unnecessary. Of course, in light of "hostile sycophant", the point is utterly lost.
Not to mention calling people 'psychopath' at the drop of a hat - before immediately trying to chummy up to them again.
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Obdicut Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:32:36am |
re: #1009 Bagua
Hey, you should be denying the lie I showed you making was a lie, too. You want to be complete about this.
Throw in another personal attack on me too, so that it's even more hypocritical the next time you take anyone to task for making personal attacks.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:33:08am |
re: #1009 Bagua
Your schoolyard game is curious, coming from a man who claims to be a published "scientist", yet here you are on the internet playing little games and calling people names. Is that being a 'winner'?
I know LVQ's real name, and where he works, and he IS a published scientist.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:33:38am |
re: #1015 LudwigVanQuixote
Yeah really dude, she has Jimmah.
Jimmah is smarter and better looking and much better in bed than you.
it's not that it's TMI ipso facto...it's TMI coming from you.
yowza.
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:34:42am |
re: #1014 Aceofwhat?
Actually, if she made this much sense every day, she'd be a moderate Christian conservative...
*ducks*
OOoo! *shakes tiny liberal fist*
*stamps atheist feet*
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:34:48am |
re: #1016 Jimmah
Not to mention calling people 'psychopath' at the drop of a hat - before immediately trying to chummy up to them again.
i'll respond more concretely when finished bobbing and weaving after #1014//
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:35:04am |
re: #1019 Aceofwhat?
it's not that it's TMI ipso facto...it's TMI coming from you.
yowza.
Point taken - call it an untested hypothesis.
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:36:21am |
re: #1009 Bagua
oh Lord, not this again. I have a Master's. Am I too "important" to enjoy being here?
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The Left Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:36:36am |
re: #1022 LudwigVanQuixote
Point taken - call it an untested hypothesis.
LVQ is relying on my dataset. :-)
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:37:03am |
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:37:22am |
re: #1024 iceweasel
LVQ is relying on my dataset. :-)
Unlike him, i don't always need evidence. Sometimes i'll just take folks' word on it...
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:38:23am |
re: #1026 Aceofwhat?
Unlike him, i don't always need evidence. Sometimes i'll just take folks' word on it...
Though you know, that is one thing that I am not asking anyone to show a graph for...
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Aye Pod Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:38:44am |
re: #1022 LudwigVanQuixote
Point taken - call it an untested hypothesis.
A very reasonable one nevertheless, from an eminently qualified source :)
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Aceofwhat? Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:39:44am |
re: #1028 LudwigVanQuixote
Though you know, that is one thing that I am not asking anyone to show a graph for...
So you DO evolve!
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:40:21am |
re: #1029 Jimmah
A very reasonable one nevertheless, from an eminently qualified source :)
I would consider you a reliable source. Guys who are mellow about such things are usually successful, with little boys with huge persecution problems generally aren't getting any...
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Aye Pod Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:41:26am |
re: #1024 iceweasel
LVQ is relying on my dataset. :-)
Iceweasel's data set is formidable and well guarded:
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:41:39am |
re: #1030 Aceofwhat?
So you DO evolve!
Ace, I was smacking evolution denier trolls (not just here) when Reagan was still in office.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:42:21am |
re: #1031 LudwigVanQuixote
PIMF
I would consider you a reliable source. Guys who are mellow about such things are usually successful, BUT little boys with huge persecution problems generally aren't getting any...
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:44:14am |
re: #1018 Charles
I know LVQ's real name, and where he works, and he IS a published scientist.
Thank you again, I was waiting for him to try to sleaze that in.
As to Bagua, since you are so very interested in my CV and you know full well what I do, what is it you do?
You don't need to post a CV, but what exactly is your field?
Do you have one?
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ryannon Thu, Mar 4, 2010 11:49:30am |
re: #1002 Cato the Elder
Just look how I bring people together! Bagua and Ice updinging the same post.
Next up: I solve the health-care crisis and reconcile Ludwig with his detractors.
Just gimme five while I go get my Bible.
So that we can all pray for Sarah Palin?
You betcha!
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bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 1:47:13pm |
re: #979 Obdicut
Well, I fucked that up.
Here's the lie:
The data is corroborated by the other temperature records and by two independent investigations already. The MET process is not in order to corroborate the output data but standardize data collection.
Yes, you did fuck that up.
#1 You are using a different definition than I, that the graph result looks visually similar does not validate that the data is accurate. Especially in light of all the emails that suggest efforts were made to make the data sets look similar.
For the CRU temp sets to be verified, the work has to be repeatable or re-done generating an entirely new temp set with proper records kept. As this was not done by CRU, all we can say is that it looks similar to other temp sets.
Not even close to a "lie".
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bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 1:48:28pm |
re: #1015 LudwigVanQuixote
Yeah really dude, she has Jimmah.
Jimmah is smarter and better looking and much better in bed than you.
Your sex life with Jimmah doesn't interest me.
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bagua Thu, Mar 4, 2010 1:50:58pm |
re: #1035 LudwigVanQuixote
Thank you again, I was waiting for him to try to sleaze that in.
As to Bagua, since you are so very interested in my CV and you know full well what I do, what is it you do?
You don't need to post a CV, but what exactly is your field?
Do you have one?
I don't make claims as to my professional standing and rely on that for authority, as do you on a regular basis.
I rely on reason, logic and facts, not claims to authority. I am an anonymous commenter.
Your claims are fair game because you introduce them to the topic.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Mar 4, 2010 2:47:18pm |
re: #1039 bagua
I don't make claims as to my professional standing and rely on that for authority, as do you on a regular basis.
That would be a lie. I spend a lot of time bringing hard data and begging people to look at it.
I rely on reason, logic and facts, not claims to authority. I am an anonymous commenter.
That too is a lie. You never bring a shred of evidence to back your false claims, misunderstandings of science or just wild untruths.
Your claims are fair game because you introduce them to the topic.
Well if you were doing that in an honest fashion maybe. An honest fashion would be genuine curiosity about my background, which has been more than adequately given and verified. You were bringing it as a way to try to slander me.
No that is said, and you have been all smarmy, and dishonest as always, I ask you, what is your background?
You have claimed more than once some knowledge of "what science is" and who scientists are not, so that makes you very fair game yourself. What are you? What do you do?