Michelle Malkin’s 1994 Big Tobacco Recruitment Drive
It’s 1994, and who do we find shilling for the tobacco industry’s last ditch efforts to cast doubt on the scientific evidence that tobacco smoke is killing people?
It’s 1994, and who do we find shilling for the tobacco industry’s last ditch efforts to cast doubt on the scientific evidence that tobacco smoke is killing people?
1 | Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:51:31pm |
What you mean that conservative anti-science shills will say anything for a buck no matter how many people it hurts and then claim to be moral and upstanding people. About the only good news I can add to this is that Malkin would arouse reasonable suspicion if stopped in AZ.
2 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:52:24pm |
I used to smoke. I support the right of people to smoke.
But goddamn, I cannot understand being in the tobacco industry. I can’t understand selling a product like that and making money off of it with a clean conscience.
And then going and repeatedly lying about the science, and paying others to lie to people— that’s where I’m ready to use the word ‘evil’.
3 | jamesfirecat Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:52:32pm |
In the words of Dennis Leary himself doing an impression of Kieth Richards…
F***ing crazy!
4 | Political Atheist Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:53:15pm |
I remember the Dennis Leary smoking rant. OMG
6 | Dancing along the light of day Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:53:57pm |
Some people will say or do anything to make a buck.
Or become “famous”.
It’s very strange.
7 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:54:30pm |
re: #2 Obdicut
I used to smoke. I support the right of people to smoke.
But goddamn, I cannot understand being in the tobacco industry. I can’t understand selling a product like that and making money off of it with a clean conscience.
And then going and repeatedly lying about the science, and paying others to lie to people— that’s where I’m ready to use the word ‘evil’.
I support people’s right to smoke because it’s legal. I would love to see it made illegal.
8 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:54:31pm |
re: #1 ludwigvanquixote
What you mean that conservative anti-science shills will say anything for a buck no matter how many people it hurts and then claim to be moral and upstanding people. About the only good news I can add to this is that Malkin would arouse reasonable suspicion if stopped in AZ.
Ludwig, you should check out the latest attempt by the Stalkers to attack AGW science. This time they’re going after the Hockey Stick graph you’ve used. I know they’re full of it, but I thought it wise to let you know.
9 | cliffster Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:55:00pm |
what is this, “how may threads can we have in one night” night?
10 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:55:29pm |
re: #7 Walter L. Newton
I support people’s right to smoke because it’s legal. I would love to see it made illegal.
Prohibition is generally ineffective, raising crime and creating a black market. Why do you think it’d be effective with cigarettes?
11 | jamesfirecat Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:56:34pm |
re: #4 Rightwingconspirator
I remember the Dennis Leary smoking rant. OMG
Smoking take ten years off your life! Well they’re the worst f***ing years folks, they’re the ones at the end!
12 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:56:39pm |
re: #9 cliffster
what is this, “how may threads can we have in one night” night?
No, but there’s a lot of bad science and wingnuttery to be demolished tonight.
13 | Political Atheist Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:57:20pm |
re: #7 Walter L. Newton
Just in time for cannabis to become legal. Ironic to say the least.
15 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 6:58:57pm |
Forgive me for being obtuse, but i read the article at the link and didn’t see anything about smoking - but clearly you all know what Charles intended to mean through the link. Would someone remedy my ignorance here?
thanks-
16 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:00:21pm |
My favorite in-law was my husband’s aunt. She was awesome. Great sense of humor, loved my kids, sensible woman. The last time we saw her she had an oxygen pack at her side and tubes in her nose. A few months later, she was gone.
I hate smoking.
17 | Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:00:47pm |
re: #8 Dark_Falcon
Ludwig, you should check out the latest attempt by the Stalkers to attack AGW science. This time they’re going after the Hockey Stick graph you’ve used. I know they’re full of it, but I thought it wise to let you know.
Oh please,
Mann was vindicated by the National Academy. During that time multiple other groups using different methods and data sets corroborated his results.
Assuming that those fools would even care to talk evidence or science is simply beyond possible. There isn’t enough science between them to solve one of those word problems about when two trains pass each other. Even if they did have that level of sophistication, they would not look at the evidence.
Conspiracy theory, hateful racism, sexism, homophobia and denialism is their religion. That is why they were banned in the first place after all. There is no more point in arguing with them about his than there is attempting to teach algebra to a cat.
It is hard enough getting Walter to look at actual science and he’s just a cantankerous troll who isn’t any of those things.
18 | Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:01:02pm |
re: #15 Aceofwhat?
Forgive me for being obtuse, but i read the article at the link and didn’t see anything about smoking - but clearly you all know what Charles intended to mean through the link. Would someone remedy my ignorance here?
thanks-
The article promotes joining The Advancement of Sound Science Coalition (TASSC), one of the most notorious tobacco industry front groups.
19 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:01:13pm |
re: #15 Aceofwhat?
The group she’s advocating joining was a front group for the tobacco industry.
20 | Spare O'Lake Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:01:18pm |
re: #10 Obdicut
Prohibition is generally ineffective, raising crime and creating a black market. Why do you think it’d be effective with cigarettes?
Should every activity be legal merely because some people flout the law?
21 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:02:57pm |
re: #20 Spare O’Lake
Should every activity be legal merely because some people flout the law?
If I remember correctly, there was talk over the last week that we should legalize drugs, and that would solve out border problems with the gangs. Yep, that’s the ticket, compromise our laws because some other country can’t even police it’s own citizens.
Same mentality.
22 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:03:03pm |
re: #18 Charles
Thanks. I had never heard of them, but now the thread - and the article- makes complete sense.
I appreciate it.
23 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:03:18pm |
re: #20 Spare O’Lake
Should every activity be legal merely because some people flout the law?
No, but ones that are only self-harming should, in general, be legal.
I’m not sure how you arrived at the other interpretation from what I said, since I referenced prohibition.
24 | Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:03:51pm |
re: #18 Charles
The article promotes joining The Advancement of Sound Science Coalition (TASSC), one of the most notorious tobacco industry front groups.
Yeah that’s one of the things I hate the most about these folks. They come up with all of these names that sound official, scientific and fair. From the title you would wonder, how could anyone argue with that? It is a lie from the very start designed to pull people in - to their own harm.
Of course, if they actually advanced sound science, they would be telling you how terrible cigarettes are for you. Of course if they had any conscience whatsoever, any honor, any morality, they would tell the truth about the science.
25 | researchok Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:04:14pm |
Don’t forget- we pay for the treatment of people harmed by tobacco in the form of higher insurance rates and/or higher taxes.
And that doesn’t include the subsidies we pay tobacco farmers.
26 | Renaissance_Man Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:04:42pm |
re: #15 Aceofwhat?
Forgive me for being obtuse, but i read the article at the link and didn’t see anything about smoking - but clearly you all know what Charles intended to mean through the link. Would someone remedy my ignorance here?
thanks-
The article is a fluff piece by Malkin for TASSC, which, I guess, is a science-denier group that previously ‘taught the controversy’ with regards to Big Tobacco, and now does the same for climate change. It’s unsurprising to see Michelle Malkin advocating for such folks, but I agree, the link and controversy therein in and of themselves seems very tenuous.
I have, however, long noted that the climate deniers bear striking similarity to big tobacco deniers. It wasn’t so long ago that Rush Limbaugh was making the health effects of tobacco a political issue, and had people calling his show telling him how proud they were to be a smoker. Politicising matters of science, whether it be tobacco or vaccination, is a very dangerous thing, especially in this ridiculous age of media equivocation where every idiotic assertion is ‘one side of an issue’ that ‘has to be presented equally’.
27 | Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:04:51pm |
re: #25 researchok
Don’t forget- we pay for the treatment of people harmed by tobacco in the form of higher insurance rates and/or higher taxes.
And that doesn’t include the subsidies we pay tobacco farmers.
Or the subsidies they pay their political shills.
28 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:05:03pm |
re: #24 LudwigVanQuixote
Yeah that’s one of the things I hate the most about these folks. They come up with all of these names that sound official, scientific and fair. From the title you would wonder, how could anyone argue with that? It is a lie from the very start designed to pull people in - to their own harm.
Of course, if they actually advanced sound science, they would be telling you how terrible cigarettes are for you. Of course if they had any conscience whatsoever, any honor, any morality, they would tell the truth about the science.
The Advancement of Sound Science Center (TASSC), formerly the Advancement of Sound Science Coalition, is an industry-funded lobby group which promotes the idea that environmental science on issues including smoking, pesticides and global warming is “junk science”, which should be replaced by “sound science”. It is operated by Steven Milloy from his home in Potomac, Maryland.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
29 | goddamnedfrank Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:05:51pm |
I just had my dog Penny euthanized, it was peaceful. She just stopped breathing and that was it. The cancer moved incredibly fast, all but destroyed her lungs in just a couple of months. It got to the point where she was just barely getting enough oxygen into her blood to function.
Had her for 10 years, got her as an abused stray.
30 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:06:20pm |
Holy shit… a connection…. ” Garrey Carruthers, former governor of New Mexico, served as chairman of TASSC.[2][3]”
31 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:06:33pm |
re: #21 Walter L. Newton
So are you able to give a coherent reason why tobacco prohibition would be effective with cigarettes, and not lead to the same ill-effects we saw under alcohol Prohibition?
In both cases, we have a very highly popular product. Tobacco is less lethal and less dangerous in general than alcohol, though still clearly a large health risk.
What essential difference is there with smoking that’d make prohibition effective?
32 | b_sharp Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:06:46pm |
re: #20 Spare O’Lake
Should every activity be legal merely because some people flout the law?
Obdi, I think someone needs a map drawn.
33 | Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:07:12pm |
re: #26 Renaissance_Man
I have, however, long noted that the climate deniers bear striking similarity to big tobacco deniers. It wasn’t so long ago that Rush Limbaugh was making the health effects of tobacco a political issue, and had people calling his show telling him how proud they were to be a smoker. Politicising matters of science, whether it be tobacco or vaccination, is a very dangerous thing, especially in this ridiculous age of media equivocation where every idiotic assertion is ‘one side of an issue’ that ‘has to be presented equally’.
That is because they are very much the same people along with the anti-evolution shills.
Watch this video:
34 | Spare O'Lake Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:07:50pm |
re: #23 Obdicut
No, but ones that are only self-harming should, in general, be legal.
I’m not sure how you arrived at the other interpretation from what I said, since I referenced prohibition.
1. Ever hear of second-hand smoke?
2. Why should a smoker’s fellow citizens be forced to subsidize the cost of the smoker’s self-inflicted illnesses?
35 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:07:50pm |
re: #17 LudwigVanQuixote
Oh please,
Mann was vindicated by the National Academy. During that time multiple other groups using different methods and data sets corroborated his results.
Assuming that those fools would even care to talk evidence or science is simply beyond possible. There isn’t enough science between them to solve one of those word problems about when two trains pass each other. Even if they did have that level of sophistication, they would not look at the evidence.
Conspiracy theory, hateful racism, sexism, homophobia and denialism is their religion. That is why they were banned in the first place after all. There is no more point in arguing with them about his than there is attempting to teach algebra to a cat.
It is hard enough getting Walter to look at actual science and he’s just a cantankerous troll who isn’t any of those things.
I agree with everything except calling Walter a troll, but we’ve had that discussion. It’s a point on which you and I don’t agree, but thankfully we both agree on the need to fight bad science before it kills people.
36 | Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:07:53pm |
re: #28 Walter L. Newton
The Advancement of Sound Science Center (TASSC), formerly the Advancement of Sound Science Coalition, is an industry-funded lobby group which promotes the idea that environmental science on issues including smoking, pesticides and global warming is “junk science”, which should be replaced by “sound science”. It is operated by Steven Milloy from his home in Potomac, Maryland.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
No shit? Really? You are a twit.
37 | Racer X Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:08:19pm |
re: #7 Walter L. Newton
I support people’s right to smoke because it’s legal. I would love to see it made illegal.
I agree.
Kinda fucking hypocritical of people to go after mundane crap like soda and salt when cigarette smoking has killed millions.
38 | jamesfirecat Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:08:24pm |
re: #29 goddamnedfrank
I just had my dog Penny euthanized, it was peaceful. She just stopped breathing and that was it. The cancer moved incredibly fast, all but destroyed her lungs in just a couple of months. It got to the point where she was just barely getting enough oxygen into her blood to function.
Had her for 10 years, got her as an abused stray.
WHY, WHY YOU DO PEOPLE INSIST ON MAKING ME CRY?
39 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:08:25pm |
re: #29 goddamnedfrank
So sorry to hear that. Treat yourself well.
I’ve never had the heart to get another dog since the dog I had as a kid passed.
40 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:08:25pm |
re: #25 researchok
Don’t forget- we pay for the treatment of people harmed by tobacco in the form of higher insurance rates and/or higher taxes.
And that doesn’t include the subsidies we pay tobacco farmers.
so true. and if you want to get a little dirtier, it’s not exactly a ringing endorsement of additional government subsidy of healthcare…smoke if ya got ‘em, but asking me to chip in for your radiation treatment? uncool.
41 | Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:10:04pm |
re: #29 goddamnedfrank
I just had my dog Penny euthanized, it was peaceful. She just stopped breathing and that was it. The cancer moved incredibly fast, all but destroyed her lungs in just a couple of months. It got to the point where she was just barely getting enough oxygen into her blood to function.
Had her for 10 years, got her as an abused stray.
Damn. I am sorry.
42 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:10:05pm |
re: #36 LudwigVanQuixote
No shit? Really? You are a twit.
Ludwig… are you fucking completely out of you mind? Charles whole thread here is about this organization. AceofWhat was curious about the connection of Malkin and the Tobacco industry. Charles reiterated the connect.. AND I LINK TO FURTHER INFORMATION ABOUT THIS STUPID ASS GROUP…
and you’re fucking yelling at me for that?
43 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:10:06pm |
re: #37 Racer X
I agree.
Kinda fucking hypocritical of people to go after mundane crap like soda and salt when cigarette smoking has killed millions.
oh SNAP
44 | NJDhockeyfan Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:10:15pm |
Evening lizards. I have been tobacco free for 4 weeks after 27 years of smoking. I did it cold turkey and have not cheated once.
:)
45 | Dancing along the light of day Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:10:47pm |
re: #29 goddamnedfrank
That’s hard. Be well. She isn’t in any more pain.
((GDF))
46 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:10:52pm |
47 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:11:06pm |
re: #36 LudwigVanQuixote
No shit? Really? You are a twit.
Ludwig, i asked for help. I appreciate the additional information. Do i need to apologize for not knowing who this group was?
48 | Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:11:07pm |
re: #44 NJDhockeyfan
Evening lizards. I have been tobacco free for 4 weeks after 27 years of smoking. I did it cold turkey and have not cheated once.
:)
Congrats!
49 | Racer X Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:11:10pm |
re: #36 LudwigVanQuixote
No shit? Really? You are a twit.
May I ask why you resort to name calling at the drop of a hat?
50 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:11:26pm |
re: #34 Spare O’Lake
1. Ever hear of second-hand smoke?
Yes, and I have no problems about restricting smoking in public spaces, workplaces, etc.
2. Why should a smoker’s fellow citizens be forced to subsidize the cost of the smoker’s self-inflicted illnesses?
You could ask this about any risky behavior, though, including promiscuous sex and riding a bike. It turns into a rather complex calculus quickly, and I don’t see where that gets us.
I’m more asking, though, why anyone thinks prohibition is possible. Smoking is a terrible thing, the worst fucking decision of my life, and a part of me would love to see it made illegal. I don’t, however, want to let my emotions overrule pragmatism, if making it illegal would have overly negative consequences and not actually achieve its goals in the first place.
51 | Dancing along the light of day Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:11:28pm |
re: #44 NJDhockeyfan
CONGRATULATIONS!
Keep it up!
52 | bratwurst Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:11:30pm |
re: #37 Racer X
I agree.
Kinda fucking hypocritical of people to go after mundane crap like soda and salt when cigarette smoking has killed millions.
Right. Diabetes and hypertension never hurt ANYONE. 9_9
53 | Mark Pennington Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:11:47pm |
re: #29 goddamnedfrank
I just had my dog Penny euthanized, it was peaceful. She just stopped breathing and that was it. The cancer moved incredibly fast, all but destroyed her lungs in just a couple of months. It got to the point where she was just barely getting enough oxygen into her blood to function.
Had her for 10 years, got her as an abused stray.
So very sorry to hear that. Dogs are family too. :(
54 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:12:00pm |
re: #36 LudwigVanQuixote
No shit? Really? You are a twit.
Wlater posted a link supporting your position against bad science shills and you insulted him. What gives?
55 | researchok Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:12:24pm |
re: #40 Aceofwhat?
so true. and if you want to get a little dirtier, it’s not exactly a ringing endorsement of additional government subsidy of healthcare…smoke if ya got ‘em, but asking me to chip in for your radiation treatment? uncool.
Well, there’s more.
Kids can suffer health problems from second hand smoke in both the immediate and long term.
Children of smokers score lower on tests and that can influence the entire education experience and their future economic capacity. The unintended circumstances go on and on.
56 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:12:45pm |
re: #44 NJDhockeyfan
Evening lizards. I have been tobacco free for 4 weeks after 27 years of smoking. I did it cold turkey and have not cheated once.
:)
Well done!
58 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:12:50pm |
re: #49 Racer X
May I ask why you resort to name calling at the drop of a hat?
Why would he even call me a name? This article is about Malkin and The Advancement of Sound Science Coalition (TASSC). Charles mentioned The Advancement of Sound Science Coalition (TASSC). AceofWhat asked what it was all about and I link to a Wiki about The Advancement of Sound Science Coalition (TASSC).
And Ludwig calls me a twit. Ludwig… you have shit for brains.
59 | cliffster Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:13:09pm |
re: #44 NJDhockeyfan
Evening lizards. I have been tobacco free for 4 weeks after 27 years of smoking. I did it cold turkey and have not cheated once.
:)
Sweet!. High Five!
60 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:13:09pm |
re: #44 NJDhockeyfan
You’re over the hump, dude! Keep on going!
Have you gotten to the part where you cough up the tar that’s been in your lungs for awhile? That bits fun. It’s when the cells in your lungs regrow the cilia that they lost when they became squamous, and are able to clean the crap out again.
61 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:13:14pm |
re: #54 Dark_Falcon
Walter posted a link supporting your position against bad science shills and you insulted him. What gives?
PIMF
62 | Mark Pennington Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:13:22pm |
63 | Achilles Tang Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:13:29pm |
re: #5 Dante41
Dear God, does she have no shame?
Well, I didn’t realize she had been around that long, but I suppose I would first ask if she has changed her mind on this issue…
64 | Spare O'Lake Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:13:56pm |
re: #24 LudwigVanQuixote
Yeah that’s one of the things I hate the most about these folks. They come up with all of these names that sound official, scientific and fair. From the title you would wonder, how could anyone argue with that? It is a lie from the very start designed to pull people in - to their own harm.
Of course, if they actually advanced sound science, they would be telling you how terrible cigarettes are for you. Of course if they had any conscience whatsoever, any honor, any morality, they would tell the truth about the science.
IIRC their MO was to hire real scientists to discredit the science.
You know…bought and sold science whores.
65 | Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:13:59pm |
re: #42 Walter L. Newton
What? You responded to my 24, in your post 28 as if I didn’t know who they were. I thought you were being your normal prattling self trying to look important.
re: #49 Racer X
May I ask why you resort to name calling at the drop of a hat?
Ummm because he has proven time and again that he is an obnoxious twit.
66 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:14:11pm |
re: #20 Spare O’Lake
Should every activity be legal merely because some people flout the law?
Uhhh there’s a lot more to argument than just people flouting the law
67 | Dante41 Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:14:13pm |
re: #62 beekiller
No. She writes the most vile blog on the internet.
You have obviously have never perused WRH.
68 | mich-again Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:14:13pm |
re: #29 goddamnedfrank
Sorry about your loss. I know the empty feeling of saying so long to an old friend like that.
As for the linked article, when I read what Malkin wrote in that scanned newspaper column, it looked like a garden variety of climate change denial talking points. I didn’t see the part about shilling for big tobacco.
69 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:14:14pm |
re: #44 NJDhockeyfan
Evening lizards. I have been tobacco free for 4 weeks after 27 years of smoking. I did it cold turkey and have not cheated once.
:)
that’s incredible
70 | Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:14:16pm |
re: #47 Aceofwhat?
Ludwig, i asked for help. I appreciate the additional information. Do i need to apologize for not knowing who this group was?
Dude he was responding to me.
71 | Racer X Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:14:19pm |
re: #52 bratwurst
Right. Diabetes and hypertension never hurt ANYONE. 9_9
*looks in pockets*
Nope. I never said anything remotely like that.
I’m just saying why do people (government) want to ban soda and salt, yet tobacco gets a pass? It seems hypocritical.
Doesn’t it?
72 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:14:27pm |
re: #58 Walter L. Newton
Don’t fling insults in reprisal, Walter. That just gets the flame war started and makes the stalkers laugh at us. Keep your cool.
73 | cliffster Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:15:06pm |
re: #29 goddamnedfrank
I’m sorry to hear that. Cherish the 10 good years.
74 | Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:15:09pm |
75 | NJDhockeyfan Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:15:14pm |
re: #60 Obdicut
You’re over the hump, dude! Keep on going!
Have you gotten to the part where you cough up the tar that’s been in your lungs for awhile? That bits fun. It’s when the cells in your lungs regrow the cilia that they lost when they became squamous, and are able to clean the crap out again.
Yikes! I haven’t had the pleasure of that yet. I’ve had a few episodes where I really want one but I just chew another piece of gum and it goes away.
76 | jamesfirecat Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:16:22pm |
re: #54 Dark_Falcon
Wlater posted a link supporting your position against bad science shills and you insulted him. What gives?
Its Walter Versus Quixote
Round two, FIGHT!
77 | Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:16:23pm |
re: #64 Spare O’Lake
IIRC their MO was to hire real scientists to discredit the science.
You know…bought and sold science whores.
Stietz for was the founder of tat idea, but yes that was the original plan. Then those who were “scientists” went further and further down hill.
78 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:16:42pm |
re: #74 LudwigVanQuixote
There is a history there but you are correct.
Good. The Frontline special is on right now. Are you watching?
79 | Dante41 Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:16:47pm |
80 | Racer X Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:17:02pm |
re: #74 LudwigVanQuixote
There is a history there but you are correct.
Dude. Chill.
I can’t even remember half the people I got into a spat with in the past month. Seriously. Let it go. Start each thread fresh. You may find common ground with those you disagree with on some other subject.
81 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:17:24pm |
re: #72 Dark_Falcon
Don’t fling insults in reprisal, Walter. That just gets the flame war started and makes the stalkers laugh at us. Keep your cool.
No… Ludwig makes the stalkers laugh at us. When you finally realize that, you won’t be so apt to kiss up to him every time he opens his mouth. I was supporting this thread and the subject matter and I’m not playing pasty to the bullshit when some one hits me with it.
82 | Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:17:37pm |
Anyway, Frank I really am so sorry to hear that. I can’t imagine how much that sucks.
83 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:17:46pm |
re: #71 Racer X
*looks in pockets*
Nope. I never said anything remotely like that.
I’m just saying why do people (government) want to ban soda and salt, yet tobacco gets a pass? It seems hypocritical.
Doesn’t it?
absolutely
84 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:18:06pm |
re: #79 Dante41
re: #58 Walter L. Newton
Both of you are still mad over the flame war from earlier. Calm the frak down. This is an entirely different topic, one on which both of you agree. Step back, take a deep breath, and have a beer.
I’m not mad at anything. I simply linked to further info about this group.
85 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:18:08pm |
re: #75 NJDhockeyfan
Don’t worry about it. It’s only like having a small cold, but it’s a sign that your lungs have actually regrown the damaged cells, and that’s really cool.
I’ve been quit for four years now. Best of luck, you obviously have the willpower to stay quit!
86 | Spare O'Lake Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:18:32pm |
re: #50 Obdicut
You could ask this about any risky behavior, though, including promiscuous sex and riding a bike. It turns into a rather complex calculus quickly, and I don’t see where that gets us.
I’m more asking, though, why anyone thinks prohibition is possible. Smoking is a terrible thing, the worst fucking decision of my life, and a part of me would love to see it made illegal. I don’t, however, want to let my emotions overrule pragmatism, if making it illegal would have overly negative consequences and not actually achieve its goals in the first place.
It would “stem” the tide. Most would comply and the rest could be fined with the money used to educate others about the risks.
87 | Achilles Tang Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:18:36pm |
re: #58 Walter L. Newton
And Ludwig calls me a twit. Ludwig… you have shit for brains.
We all know Ludwig has a list of words as abbreviations for arguments, when he is feeling lazy and has a brain fart, but that’s no reason to say he has shit for brains…
88 | Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:18:38pm |
re: #81 Walter L. Newton
No… Ludwig makes the stalkers laugh at us. When you finally realize that, you won’t be so apt to kiss up to him every time he opens his mouth. I was supporting this thread and the subject matter and I’m not playing pasty to the bullshit when some one hits me with it.
Walter, trust me, the stalkers laugh at you as well.
Though not as much, because you rarely say anything relevant.
89 | Mark Pennington Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:18:46pm |
re: #67 Dante41
You have obviously have never perused WRH.
Obviously not. What site is that? If it is worse than Malkin…I’m afraid to look.
90 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:19:00pm |
re: #86 Spare O’Lake
It would “stem” the tide. Most would comply and the rest could be fined with the money used to educate others about the risks.
Do you know anything about the history of alcohol Prohibition in the USA?
91 | NJDhockeyfan Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:19:08pm |
I’m watching Buck Privates right now. What a fucking classic!
92 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:19:12pm |
re: #87 Naso Tang
We all know Ludwig has a list of words as abbreviations for arguments, when he is feeling lazy and has a brain fart, but that’s no reason to say he has shit for brains…
Try me.
93 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:19:12pm |
re: #70 LudwigVanQuixote
Dude he was responding to me.
i believe you are both the only person who noticed that and the only person who cared.
want a gin and tonic? i’m pouring one for myself…
94 | Spare O'Lake Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:19:22pm |
re: #66 WindUpBird
Uhhh there’s a lot more to argument than just people flouting the law
Uhhh bring it.
95 | bratwurst Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:19:26pm |
re: #71 Racer X
*looks in pockets*
Nope. I never said anything remotely like that.
I’m just saying why do people (government) want to ban soda and salt, yet tobacco gets a pass? It seems hypocritical.
Doesn’t it?
Link to proposed “bans” on soda and salt?
I am not at all happy with the way a deadly product like tobacco is subsidized and then taxed like crazy. However, this takes nothing away from the reality that the obesity epidemic in this country threatens to make the impact of smoking-related illness look like a pink eye outbreak.
96 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:19:30pm |
re: #81 Walter L. Newton
No… Ludwig makes the stalkers laugh at us. When you finally realize that, you won’t be so apt to kiss up to him every time he opens his mouth. I was supporting this thread and the subject matter and I’m not playing pasty to the bullshit when some one hits me with it.
I did downding him and call him out for the insult. I’m on your side on this one, but he’s dropping it. On this matter, and likely on vaccines, we all agree. So let us stand together against the shills and loons who cause death in their folly.
97 | Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:19:39pm |
re: #87 Naso Tang
We all know Ludwig has a list of words as abbreviations for arguments, when he is feeling lazy and has a brain fart, but that’s no reason to say he has shit for brains…
Yes but I only use those abbreviations after the long typed out arguments and all the evidence for them was repeatedly not processed.
98 | Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:20:18pm |
re: #93 Aceofwhat?
i believe you are both the only person who noticed that and the only person who cared.
want a gin and tonic? i’m pouring one for myself…
Dude that’s fine Walter is not worth it.
99 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:20:49pm |
re: #96 Dark_Falcon
I did downding him and call him out for the insult. I’m on your side on this one, but he’s dropping it. On this matter, and likely on vaccines, we all agree. So let us stand together against the shills and loons who cause death in their folly.
Oh whoopee do, you down dinged him…
100 | cliffster Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:21:01pm |
Do some people still have a case of the mondays? It’s tuesday night, already!
101 | Achilles Tang Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:21:10pm |
102 | Dante41 Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:21:26pm |
re: #89 beekiller
Obviously not. What site is that? If it is worse than Malkin…I’m afraid to look.
What Really Happened. Truther HQ, and one of the biggest Anti-America sites on the net. If something bad happens anywhere in the world, the moron who runs it can find a way to blame Israel or America for it.
103 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:21:37pm |
re: #86 Spare O’Lake
It would “stem” the tide. Most would comply and the rest could be fined with the money used to educate others about the risks.
didn’t work for alcohol…doesn’t work for pot…is this a magic prohibition?
taxing the bejesus out of it actually does work. states make the mistake of counting on the extra revenue, of course, because most state pols are nimrods. IIRC what actually happens is that smoking declines as taxes increase and revenue stays neutral (until it becomes too profitable to bootleg, in which case revenue actually decreases).
104 | Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:22:02pm |
re: #96 Dark_Falcon
I did downding him and call him out for the insult. I’m on your side on this one, but he’s dropping it. On this matter, and likely on vaccines, we all agree. So let us stand together against the shills and loons who cause death in their folly.
Or let’s just say screw it. I for one am really tired of the way Walter likes to come in and say stupid things only to whine like a little girl when called on it. He admits himself that he enjoys being a troll and thinks he is somehow clever. I am sick of it. He contributes nothing to discussions he knows nothing about.
105 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:22:09pm |
re: #100 cliffster
Do some people still have a case of the mondays? It’s tuesday night, already!
No… we have a case of the Ludwig again.
106 | Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:22:17pm |
107 | NJDhockeyfan Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:22:29pm |
re: #29 goddamnedfrank
I just had my dog Penny euthanized, it was peaceful. She just stopped breathing and that was it. The cancer moved incredibly fast, all but destroyed her lungs in just a couple of months. It got to the point where she was just barely getting enough oxygen into her blood to function.
Had her for 10 years, got her as an abused stray.
My condolences.
I put my dog down a couple months ago. She almost made it to 15. I got her from the SPCA when she was 6 weeks old and she was a great dog.
108 | Achilles Tang Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:22:35pm |
re: #97 LudwigVanQuixote
Yes but I only use those abbreviations after the long typed out arguments and all the evidence for them was repeatedly not processed.
That is your opinion, obviously.
109 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:22:36pm |
re: #95 bratwurst
Link to proposed “bans” on soda and salt?
I am not at all happy with the way a deadly product like tobacco is subsidized and then taxed like crazy. However, this takes nothing away from the reality that the obesity epidemic in this country threatens to make the impact of smoking-related illness look like a pink eye outbreak.
they’re in prior threads. the search fx is your friend.
and salt ≠ obesity. science is your friend.
110 | mich-again Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:22:45pm |
I’m not a smoker, but I enjoy an occasional Marlboro. I wish they’d sell them in packs of 3 or even individual cigarrettes. I think if the states allowed that, it could help some people quit easier. As it is, if you get an occasional hankering for a smoke, you have to buy a pack of 20, and once you do that, well you’re gonna smoke em if you got em even if it takes a week. Just a thought.
111 | Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:22:50pm |
re: #105 Walter L. Newton
No… we have a case of the Ludwig again.
No we have a case of you. Projection there baby and to prove it, I am actually going to sign off and get some work done.
112 | Racer X Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:22:51pm |
re: #95 bratwurst
Link to proposed “bans” on soda and salt?
I am not at all happy with the way a deadly product like tobacco is subsidized and then taxed like crazy. However, this takes nothing away from the reality that the obesity epidemic in this country threatens to make the impact of smoking-related illness look like a pink eye outbreak.
Seriously? You’ve never heard of recent attempts to restrict / ban soda or salt?
There are many people who can and do enjoy soda and or salt in moderation with no ill effects at all. I cannot say the same about tobacco.
113 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:23:10pm |
re: #111 LudwigVanQuixote
No we have a case of you. Projection there baby and to prove it, I am actually going to sign off and get some work done.
Fucking prayers answered.
114 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:23:22pm |
re: #98 LudwigVanQuixote
Dude that’s fine Walter is not worth it.
WOULD YOU PLEASE FUCKING DROP IT ALREADY!!
/Sorry to shout, but I’m really sick of this flame war.
115 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:23:36pm |
re: #112 Racer X
Well, I’d note there’s a big difference between restricting the amount of salt in prepackaged foods and banning salt.
116 | bratwurst Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:23:42pm |
re: #109 Aceofwhat?
they’re in prior threads. the search fx is your friend.
and salt ≠ obesity. science is your friend.
At least I am among friends.
117 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:24:15pm |
Look, the makers of processed food KNOW when they are putting something bad in the food. Partially hydrogenated vegetable oil has to be made in a lab.
If I thought it would work this way, I would say to tax the cigarettes, and the unhealthy food and drink, and put the money into Medicaid and Medicare to pay for the expenses that will be incurred later on, making things more fair for people who eat…um…homemade bread with goat cheese and roasted garlic.
However, I’m fully aware that the money would get siphoned off into a “good cause,” and we will all get equally charged more for the health care anyway.
118 | windsagio Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:24:30pm |
re: #114 Dark_Falcon
DF, I might respectfully suggest that they’re both getting their needs met by fighting. You’re not gonna get them to stop, unless Charles steps in.
Why get yourself upset over it?>
119 | Racer X Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:24:40pm |
re: #115 Obdicut
Well, I’d note there’s a big difference between restricting the amount of salt in prepackaged foods and banning salt.
True.
120 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:24:47pm |
re: #115 Obdicut
Well, I’d note there’s a big difference between restricting the amount of salt in prepackaged foods and banning salt.
Question… and I really don’t know the answer. Aren’t there some states (or cities) that are considering banning salt altogether, I mean even salt shakers on a table in a eatery?
121 | Spare O'Lake Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:25:23pm |
re: #80 Racer X
Dude. Chill.
I can’t even remember half the people I got into a spat with in the past month. Seriously. Let it go. Start each thread fresh. You may find common ground with those you disagree with on some other subject.
The sun will come up tomorrow,
Bet your bottom dollar that tomorrow…
122 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:25:24pm |
123 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:25:50pm |
re: #120 Walter L. Newton
I have this image of me with my travel salt in my purse.
I actually have slightly too-low blood pressure.
124 | Racer X Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:25:51pm |
I feel stupider.
Gonna log off for a while.
;-)
125 | Achilles Tang Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:25:54pm |
re: #120 Walter L. Newton
Question… and I really don’t know the answer. Aren’t there some states (or cities) that are considering banning salt altogether, I mean even salt shakers on a table in a eatery?
Fucking socialists!
126 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:25:55pm |
re: #120 Walter L. Newton
Not unless you can provide proof of that, no, I haven’t heard that at all.
Now, again:
Why do you think prohibition against cigarettes would be effective, in the face of historical evidence on alcohol and present-day evidence on marijuana?
127 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:26:15pm |
re: #121 Spare O’Lake
The sun will come up tomorrow,
Bet your bottom dollar that tomorrow…
LOL… We can sing it together… for Racer X and DK… ready…
128 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:26:28pm |
re: #110 mich-again
I’m not a smoker, but I enjoy an occasional Marlboro. I wish they’d sell them in packs of 3 or even individual cigarrettes. I think if the states allowed that, it could help some people quit easier. As it is, if you get an occasional hankering for a smoke, you have to buy a pack of 20, and once you do that, well you’re gonna smoke em if you got em even if it takes a week. Just a thought.
same here.
129 | bratwurst Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:26:59pm |
re: #112 Racer X
Seriously? You’ve never heard of recent attempts to restrict / ban soda or salt?
There are many people who can and do enjoy soda and or salt in moderation with no ill effects at all. I cannot say the same about tobacco.
Restrict/add tax, yes. Ban, no.
130 | Bagua Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:27:23pm |
131 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:27:24pm |
re: #123 EmmmieG
I have this image of me with my travel salt in my purse.
I actually have slightly too-low blood pressure.
me too! fainted every time i gave blood, until they banned folks who’d been in Europe during certain periods (cow diseases…can’t have that).
132 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:27:46pm |
re: #126 Obdicut
Not unless you can provide proof of that, no, I haven’t heard that at all.
Now, again:
Why do you think prohibition against cigarettes would be effective, in the face of historical evidence on alcohol and present-day evidence on marijuana?
Yep. If it saves one life… it’s worth it.
133 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:27:48pm |
134 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:28:03pm |
re: #131 Aceofwhat?
Hah. Me too. It’s a pity, too, because I’ll do anything for a sugar cookie and a small cup of fruit juice.
135 | cliffster Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:28:15pm |
why are mutherfuckers always trying to tell other mutherfuckers what to do with their lives?
136 | mich-again Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:28:37pm |
Is it the salt that causes obesity, or is it the person who orders the supersized fries and double cheeseburger every day for lunch was going to be fat anyway and the salt is more of an effect than a cause.
137 | Dante41 Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:28:54pm |
re: #132 Walter L. Newton
Yep. If it saves one life… it’s worth it.
But what if it kills 20 for every 1 saved? By this I mean the actions of organized crime.
138 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:29:25pm |
re: #118 windsagio
DF, I might respectfully suggest that they’re both getting their needs met by fighting. You’re not gonna get them to stop, unless Charles steps in.
Why get yourself upset over it?>
Hey Windy, I asked you a question earlier today and you never answered. Have you come across anything new in hot red pumps?
139 | NJDhockeyfan Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:29:26pm |
re: #112 Racer X
Seriously? You’ve never heard of recent attempts to restrict / ban soda or salt?
There are many people who can and do enjoy soda and or salt in moderation with no ill effects at all. I cannot say the same about tobacco.
My grandparents smoked Chesterfield unfiltered and lived into their 70s. They died of old age, no smoking related health issues popped up that I recall.
140 | Mark Pennington Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:29:41pm |
re: #102 Dante41
What Really Happened. Truther HQ, and one of the biggest Anti-America sites on the net. If something bad happens anywhere in the world, the moron who runs it can find a way to blame Israel or America for it.
I’ll take your word for it and not go there. Her site makes me feel creepy and dirty anytime I go there. Morbid, sick curiosity.
141 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:29:47pm |
re: #132 Walter L. Newton
Yep. If it saves one life… it’s worth it.
Well, that’s a deeply foolish position that doesn’t examine the situation in any degree of complexity at all. The logical outgrowth of that would be to ban anything that causes even one death.
Feel free to support your ridiculous position in any way, but history and the present times both indicate it’s a completely unworkable and naive one.
142 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:29:48pm |
re: #115 Obdicut
Well, I’d note there’s a big difference between restricting the amount of salt in prepackaged foods and banning salt.
sure, but which foods? ever try unsalted sunflower seeds? disgusting.
i lack the faith in politicians to reduce the sodium in only those foods i don’t hanker for on a lazy saturday…
143 | windsagio Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:30:22pm |
re: #138 Walter L. Newton
Oh haha; I don’t dress up that way, doesn’t look good on me >>
144 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:30:36pm |
re: #139 NJDhockeyfan
My grandparents smoked Chesterfield unfiltered and lived into their 70s. They died of old age, no smoking related health issues popped up that I recall.
That puts that subject to be. Enjoy your smokes. I was wondering when someone was going to drag out that time worn example.
145 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:30:55pm |
re: #142 Aceofwhat?
I actually like toasted, unsalted sunflower seeds, especially with lavender or bergamot oil.
146 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:31:04pm |
re: #136 mich-again
Is it the salt that causes obesity, or is it the person who orders the supersized fries and double cheeseburger every day for lunch was going to be fat anyway and the salt is more of an effect than a cause.
it doesn’t cause obesity. it can certainly have a detrimental effect on someone with hypertension, and it can lead to hypertension in a small percentage of the population.
the rest of us can do whatever we want WRT sodium.
147 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:31:20pm |
re: #141 Obdicut
Well, that’s a deeply foolish position that doesn’t examine the situation in any degree of complexity at all. The logical outgrowth of that would be to ban anything that causes even one death.
Feel free to support your ridiculous position in any way, but history and the present times both indicate it’s a completely unworkable and naive one.
Well, you asked. I gave you an answer just to fluff you off.
148 | Dante41 Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:31:29pm |
re: #140 beekiller
I’ll take your word for it and not go there. Her site makes me feel creepy and dirty anytime I go there. Morbid, sick curiosity.
Yeah. This one will just make you feel enraged. The things that son of a bitch writes are some of the most vile pieces of pure stupidity I have ever seen.
150 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:31:39pm |
re: #147 Walter L. Newton
Well, you asked. I gave you an answer just to fluff you off.
That’s nice, Walter.
151 | Bagua Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:31:58pm |
re: #133 Aceofwhat?
lots of ice
lots of gin
a little tonic
a big lime wedgesublime…
Fascinating.
I use a big glass with ice made from distilled water, a variable amount of tonic to thirst, and a squeeze from a decapitated lemon. Oh, and cheap London Gin.
its wonderful, but I’ll try your recipe next.
152 | Dante41 Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:32:01pm |
153 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:32:11pm |
re: #145 Obdicut
I actually like toasted, unsalted sunflower seeds, especially with lavender or bergamot oil.
ugh.
i go through large amounts of toasted, salted seeds when i’m in the mood. unsalted just doesn’t seem right.
but you’re a gin person, so you can’t be all bad/
154 | Spare O'Lake Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:32:25pm |
re: #90 Obdicut
Do you know anything about the history of alcohol Prohibition in the USA?
Alcohol is way different than nicotine. It’s an absolutely indispensable drug…you don’t want a bunch of sober folks sitting around and staring at eachother, do you?
155 | albusteve Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:32:48pm |
re: #114 Dark_Falcon
WOULD YOU PLEASE FUCKING DROP IT ALREADY!!
/Sorry to shout, but I’m really sick of this flame war.
it just got started…have some patience
156 | bratwurst Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:33:57pm |
re: #136 mich-again
Is it the salt that causes obesity, or is it the person who orders the supersized fries and double cheeseburger every day for lunch was going to be fat anyway and the salt is more of an effect than a cause.
Despite what a poster above thinks, I never suggested salt causes obesity. It does, however, lead to hypertension. This is a MAJOR health problem, whether it is accompanied by obesity or not.
157 | Achilles Tang Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:34:10pm |
I think I’m getting it now. If anyone wants a new thread, incite Ludwig and Walter to throw some insults and voila, Charles posts another comic.
158 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:34:15pm |
re: #118 windsagio
DF, I might respectfully suggest that they’re both getting their needs met by fighting. You’re not gonna get them to stop, unless Charles steps in.
Why get yourself upset over it?>
because he’s a good dude. don’t look a gift voice of civility in the mouth;)
159 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:34:20pm |
re: #153 Aceofwhat?
Seriously, get some bergamot oil, apply it very sparingly to the seeds, toast them up, and see if you like them.
I have very weird tastes, so this may be terrible for you, but who knows, maybe you’ll find them as delicious as I do like that.
Maybe.
160 | Renaissance_Man Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:34:33pm |
re: #95 bratwurst
Link to proposed “bans” on soda and salt?
I am not at all happy with the way a deadly product like tobacco is subsidized and then taxed like crazy. However, this takes nothing away from the reality that the obesity epidemic in this country threatens to make the impact of smoking-related illness look like a pink eye outbreak.
Health concerns about excess sugar and salt have a place. Certainly the obesity and general nutrition in the US is incredibly bad and the health and financial effects of that are horrible.
But the impact of tobacco on the health of the human race worldwide is a holocaust of unimaginable proportions. The death toll of tobacco in the last century is horrifying. The death toll in this coming century will be worse. The Black Death killed somewhere around 150-200 million people. There are currently about 1 billion smokers in the world. By 2025, there will be about 1.6 billion. About 1 in 12 people in the world today will die from tobacco.
I know that prohibition rarely works especially well; but - holy crap. I know that tobacco is a significant part of the economy of many places worldwide, but good lord, the untold havoc it wreaks on human lives and the rest of the economy.
161 | b_sharp Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:34:49pm |
re: #44 NJDhockeyfan
Evening lizards. I have been tobacco free for 4 weeks after 27 years of smoking. I did it cold turkey and have not cheated once.
:)
Cold turkey is the only way to go.
162 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:35:13pm |
re: #154 Spare O’Lake
Alcohol is way different than nicotine. It’s an absolutely indispensable drug…you don’t want a bunch of sober folks sitting around and staring at eachother, do you?
I’m sorry, do you know anything about the history of alcohol prohibition in the US, or not?
Can you explain how tobacco prohibition would be successful, and not lead to a large upsurge in crime?
163 | mich-again Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:35:21pm |
The Red Wings are up 3-1 in Phoenix in game 7. W00t. I wonder if they’ll make the Swedes and Russians on the Red Wings show their nirth certificates at the airport.
164 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:35:25pm |
re: #151 Bagua
Fascinating.
I use a big glass with ice made from distilled water, a variable amount of tonic to thirst, and a squeeze from a decapitated lemon. Oh, and cheap London Gin.
its wonderful, but I’ll try your recipe next.
Look… its really simple, you want to drink, then make an effort to do it right.
A six pack of Mickeys malt and 2 pints of southern comfort, every night, Mon-Fri and then switch to at least a case of Mickeys for the weekend.
Make sure your car is loaded up with little southern comfort shooters so you have something for the road.
You hold the neck of the shooter between the crook of your first and second finger of the left hand, letting the bottle hide in the palm of the hand, and you can steer fine like that. Put the back of you hand up to your lips when you want a swig.
If you’re going to drink, do it right.
165 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:36:19pm |
re: #151 Bagua
Fascinating.
I use a big glass with ice made from distilled water, a variable amount of tonic to thirst, and a squeeze from a decapitated lemon. Oh, and cheap London Gin.
its wonderful, but I’ll try your recipe next.
i’ve used lemon in a pinch but i’m stuck on lime. whether it’s acquired or actually a better fit for the gin is beyond me…
although they’ll serve you lime in a restaurant/bar if you don’t insist otherwise, as i’m sure you’ve noticed.
166 | bratwurst Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:36:33pm |
re: #142 Aceofwhat?
sure, but which foods? ever try unsalted sunflower seeds? disgusting.
I LOVE unsalted seeds, almonds etc. and would greatly appreciate being able to buy a can of soup that doesn’t contain at least 50% of the RDA of salt. Next time you are in the supermarket, take a look at the soup aisle and keep in mind that they somehow find 2 serving per can.
167 | Olsonist Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:36:54pm |
re: #162 Obdicut
Before we ever get to tabacco prohibition (a stupid idea) we should probably try removing tabacco subsidies.
168 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:36:59pm |
re: #161 b_sharp
Cold turkey is the only way to go.
That right. Five years ago, I stop drinking cold turkey. Almost three years ago I stopped smoking (3 packs a day for 30 years) cold turkey. It’s not easy, but it’s the best way.
169 | b_sharp Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:37:28pm |
re: #65 LudwigVanQuixote
What? You responded to my 24, in your post 28 as if I didn’t know who they were. I thought you were being your normal prattling self trying to look important.
re: #49 Racer X
Ummm because he has proven time and again that he is an obnoxious twit.
I think you over reacted to Walter that time LVQ.
170 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:37:42pm |
re: #159 Obdicut
Seriously, get some bergamot oil, apply it very sparingly to the seeds, toast them up, and see if you like them.
I have very weird tastes, so this may be terrible for you, but who knows, maybe you’ll find them as delicious as I do like that.
Maybe.
you like gin. that’s enough for me to give this a shot-
171 | jamesfirecat Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:38:14pm |
re: #167 Olsonist
Before we ever get to tabacco prohibition (a stupid idea) we should probably try removing tabacco subsidies.
But that would hurt the American farmers who have devoted their lives to harvesting a crop that kills the people who consume it!
172 | albusteve Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:38:34pm |
re: #160 Renaissance_Man
Health concerns about excess sugar and salt have a place. Certainly the obesity and general nutrition in the US is incredibly bad and the health and financial effects of that are horrible.
But the impact of tobacco on the health of the human race worldwide is a holocaust of unimaginable proportions. The death toll of tobacco in the last century is horrifying. The death toll in this coming century will be worse. The Black Death killed somewhere around 150-200 million people. There are currently about 1 billion smokers in the world. By 2025, there will be about 1.6 billion. About 1 in 12 people in the world today will die from tobacco.
I know that prohibition rarely works especially well; but - holy crap. I know that tobacco is a significant part of the economy of many places worldwide, but good lord, the untold havoc it wreaks on human lives and the rest of the economy.
so what…ya gotta go sometime…OTOH simply deny health care to smokers and watch them flock to the patches
173 | NJDhockeyfan Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:38:52pm |
re: #161 b_sharp
Cold turkey is the only way to go.
Agreed. I tried years ago with the nasty Nicoret gum. I figure if I can’t do it cold turkey, the gum or patch isn’t going to matter.
174 | Spare O'Lake Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:39:40pm |
re: #103 Aceofwhat?
didn’t work for alcohol…doesn’t work for pot…is this a magic prohibition?
taxing the bejesus out of it actually does work. states make the mistake of counting on the extra revenue, of course, because most state pols are nimrods. IIRC what actually happens is that smoking declines as taxes increase and revenue stays neutral (until it becomes too profitable to bootleg, in which case revenue actually decreases).
If even 50% complied it would be worth it. Trillions in health care costs would be saved and human misery reduced.
I am not in favour of big brother, but would make an exception on this one.
175 | Bagua Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:39:44pm |
re: #165 Aceofwhat?
i’ve used lemon in a pinch but i’m stuck on lime. whether it’s acquired or actually a better fit for the gin is beyond me…
although they’ll serve you lime in a restaurant/bar if you don’t insist otherwise, as i’m sure you’ve noticed.
I’m going to try lime next tomorrow, in the interest of Science!
176 | mich-again Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:39:45pm |
re: #164 Walter L. Newton
and then switch to at least a case of Mickeys for the weekend.
Thats some high dollar stuff right there. The Camo Ice 9.0 is the epitome of that genre of swill.
177 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:40:28pm |
re: #166 bratwurst
I LOVE unsalted seeds, almonds etc. and would greatly appreciate being able to buy a can of soup that doesn’t contain at least 50% of the RDA of salt. Next time you are in the supermarket, take a look at the soup aisle and keep in mind that they somehow find 2 serving per can.
Campbell’s has a whole line of low-sodium soups out…
I respect your love for unsalted seeds and would greatly appreciate idiot politicians not banning mine…
(disclosure: i have no idea whether sunflower seeds would fall under such a proposal, but i have this oddly dim view of the scientific chops of your average representative…just using it as an example of a high-salt food that i can’t recreate with table salt)
178 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:40:57pm |
re: #176 mich-again
Thats some high dollar stuff right there. The Camo Ice 9.0 is the epitome of that genre of swill.
No… it’s not high dollar at all… and it packs a better punch than beer… that’s why I drank it…
179 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:41:02pm |
re: #167 Olsonist
Before we ever get to tabacco prohibition (a stupid idea) we should probably try removing tabacco subsidies.
Concur.
180 | b_sharp Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:42:07pm |
re: #81 Walter L. Newton
No… Ludwig makes the stalkers laugh at us. When you finally realize that, you won’t be so apt to kiss up to him every time he opens his mouth.
This is just petulant bullshit Walter.
“I was supporting this thread and the subject matter and I’m not playing pasty to the bullshit when some one hits me with it.
This was justified.
181 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:43:24pm |
182 | Dante41 Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:45:18pm |
Well, lizards. I’ve got to go to bed now. Heres to hoping I’ll be able to drive back to school tomorrow.
183 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:45:22pm |
re: #174 Spare O’Lake
If even 50% complied it would be worth it. Trillions in health care costs would be saved and human misery reduced.
I am not in favour of big brother, but would make an exception on this one.
Sorry. That’s big brother. Lots of people smoke cigars and pipes in moderation. Couldn’t we focus instead on not subsidizing the health care of certain conditions if the patient is a smoker?
184 | bratwurst Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:46:18pm |
re: #177 Aceofwhat?
Campbell’s has a whole line of low-sodium soups out…
And they are “low sodium” because they contain 35-50% of the RDA of salt per can instead of the 70-95% of salt per can in their regular soups. Seriously, look at the soup next time you are shopping.
185 | Spare O'Lake Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:47:53pm |
re: #162 Obdicut
I’m sorry, do you know anything about the history of alcohol prohibition in the US, or not?
Can you explain how tobacco prohibition would be successful, and not lead to a large upsurge in crime?
Tobacco is far more deadly and thus prohibition would be far more popular.
Even 50% compliance would be well worth it in health benefits and treatment savings.
Black markets would be problematic, but could be policed and would be worth the trouble.
186 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:48:10pm |
re: #184 bratwurst
And they are “low sodium” because they contain 35-50% of the RDA of salt per can instead of the 70-95% of salt per can in their regular soups. Seriously, look at the soup next time you are shopping.
so one meal contains 35% of the RDA? i know. i buy it for my daughter.
you do understand that’s just fine, right?
3 meals per day…35% of the RDA per meal…catch my drift?
187 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:49:23pm |
re: #186 Aceofwhat?
so one meal contains 35% of the RDA? i know. i buy it for my daughter.
you do understand that’s just fine, right?
3 meals per day…35% of the RDA per meal…catch my drift?
not saying she has soup for each meal…just saying it’s proportional…
188 | bratwurst Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:50:13pm |
re: #186 Aceofwhat?
First of all, it’s not fine for me. I have a health condition that makes it wise for me to consume LESS than the RDA of salt…catch my drift?
Second of all, think many parents serve the kids a can of this for lunch instead?
[Link: caloriecount.about.com…]
189 | Spare O'Lake Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:51:47pm |
re: #183 Aceofwhat?
Couldn’t we focus instead on not subsidizing the health care of certain conditions if the patient is a smoker?
That would be even worse than big brother and the black markets. People with lung cancer denied treatment?
Proof of causation issues?
190 | jamesfirecat Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:52:38pm |
re: #185 Spare O’Lake
Tobacco is far more deadly and thus prohibition would be far more popular.
Even 50% compliance would be well worth it in health benefits and treatment savings.
Black markets would be problematic, but could be policed and would be worth the trouble.
“Black markets would be problematic, but could be policed and would be worth the trouble.”
I bet Andrew Ryan said the same thing about Bibles and Woodrow Wilson about Liquor.
191 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:54:04pm |
re: #188 bratwurst
First of all, it’s not fine for me. I have a health condition that makes it wise for me to consume LESS than the RDA of salt…catch my drift?
Second of all, think many parents serve the kids a can of this for lunch instead?
[Link: caloriecount.about.com…]
So you should avoid it. Good for you for understanding that…there are other soups out there with even less sodium, right?
And exceeding the RDA is even less relevant for a kid, unless they have a very very specific condition. Kids aren’t hypertensive (well, the highly obese kids are developing some troubling symptoms early in life, but that ain’t about sodium).
192 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:55:05pm |
re: #189 Spare O’Lake
That would be even worse than big brother and the black markets. People with lung cancer denied treatment?
Proof of causation issues?
I’m not following. Make a simple rule. Smokers with lung cancer pay their own way…I think i’m misunderstanding you somehow.
193 | Spare O'Lake Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:55:20pm |
re: #190 jamesfirecat
“Black markets would be problematic, but could be policed and would be worth the trouble.”
I bet Andrew Ryan said the same thing about Bibles and Woodrow Wilson about Liquor.
Should it be legal to buy arsenic to add to your morning coffee if you happen to like the almond taste?
194 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:55:32pm |
re: #190 jamesfirecat
“Black markets would be problematic, but could be policed and would be worth the trouble.”
I bet Andrew Ryan said the same thing about Bibles and Woodrow Wilson about Liquor.
gotta love life lessons from Bioshock!
195 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:56:14pm |
re: #193 Spare O’Lake
Should it be legal to buy arsenic to add to your morning coffee if you happen to like the almond taste?
having an occasional good cigar is like drinking arsenic?
196 | Spare O'Lake Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:57:14pm |
re: #192 Aceofwhat?
I’m not following. Make a simple rule. Smokers with lung cancer pay their own way…I think i’m misunderstanding you somehow.
1. How do you prove that the lung cancer was caused by the tobacco?
2. What if the person doesn’t have money to pay for their treatment?
197 | Olsonist Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:57:20pm |
re: #183 Aceofwhat?
Sorry. That’s big brother. Lots of people smoke cigars and pipes in moderation. Couldn’t we focus instead on not subsidizing the health care of certain conditions if the patient is a smoker?
This is already being done. However, it is phrased as a discount for non-smokers rather than a tax for smokers, cuz you know, taxes are bad.
198 | jamesfirecat Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:58:13pm |
re: #193 Spare O’Lake
Should it be legal to buy arsenic to add to your morning coffee if you happen to like the almond taste?
Intelligence lies in being able to tell the difference between what we “should do” and what we actually can do.
199 | Spare O'Lake Tue, Apr 27, 2010 7:58:28pm |
re: #195 Aceofwhat?
having an occasional good cigar is like drinking arsenic?
My late father used to inhale cigars. He got lip cancer.
200 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:00:01pm |
re: #196 Spare O’Lake
1. How do you prove that the lung cancer was caused by the tobacco?
2. What if the person doesn’t have money to pay for their treatment?
1. smokers who get lung cancer = presumed causation. don’t like it? quit smoking!!
2. Liquidate what they have. As it stands now, we’re picking up the whole tab, right? Might as well offset it with whatever assets the person has.
i haven’t really thought this through much, as i’m sure you can tell, but i already like it more than making smoking illegal.
i’m not a huge cigar fan but i know plenty of people who enjoy them responsibly. and don’t tell me you can parse those out…
201 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:00:37pm |
re: #199 Spare O’Lake
My late father used to inhale cigars. He got lip cancer.
Ok.
First, i’m sorry about that. I’ll do my best to be sensitive.
Second, how frequently would you say he smoked cigars?
202 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:01:16pm |
re: #197 Olsonist
This is already being done. However, it is phrased as a discount for non-smokers rather than a tax for smokers, cuz you know, taxes are bad.
You mean in the HCR bill?
With regard to private insurance, i agree with you.
203 | Spare O'Lake Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:01:50pm |
re: #200 Aceofwhat?
i’m not a huge cigar fan but i know plenty of people who enjoy them responsibly. and don’t tell me you can parse those out…
Cigar smoking must remain legal on fishing trips and at the golf course.
204 | bratwurst Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:01:56pm |
re: #191 Aceofwhat?
So you should avoid it. Good for you for understanding that…there are other soups out there with even less sodium, right?
There are 2-3 “no added salt” soups available in the health aisle, but that is it. I used to live in a country where there was a whole aisle of tasty soups that came in around 20% of my daily intake per can. That is why I know it is possible.
And exceeding the RDA is even less relevant for a kid, unless they have a very very specific condition. Kids aren’t hypertensive (well, the highly obese kids are developing some troubling symptoms early in life, but that ain’t about sodium).
So using your “it’s proportional” argument, you wouldn’t see a problem serving your child three meals a day containing the salt of the chicken noodle soup above?
206 | Spare O'Lake Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:03:42pm |
re: #201 Aceofwhat?
Ok.
First, i’m sorry about that. I’ll do my best to be sensitive.
Second, how frequently would you say he smoked cigars?
Only when he didn’t have his pipe with him. He inhaled the pipe too.
207 | goddamnedfrank Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:06:20pm |
re: #193 Spare O’Lake
Should it be legal to buy arsenic to add to your morning coffee if you happen to like the almond taste?
Arsenic has a slightly sweet taste. It is cyanide that tastes / smells like bitter almonds, but only a small percentage of the population has the ability to detect this.
… and knowing is half the battle.
208 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:07:34pm |
re: #204 bratwurst
So using your “it’s proportional” argument, you wouldn’t see a problem serving your child three meals a day containing the salt of the chicken noodle soup above?
Lack of diversity is a market problem, not a regulatory problem. You aren’t really supporting sodium regulation in order to artificially create more choices for yourself, are you? That wouldn’t be cool…
And yes, kids shouldn’t live on chicken soup every day all day. I’m sorry if that sounds flippant, but it was an odd question. Let me help. A better question would have been “do i have a problem serving my child 166% of the RDA on any day she wants soup”, because the soup is 100% and the other two meals would be 33% each, on average.
No, i don’t care if my child quite occasionally has 166% of the RDA of sodium if i’m balancing her other nutrition well. It’s not even remotely a problem.
209 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:07:50pm |
re: #207 goddamnedfrank
Arsenic has a slightly sweet taste. It is cyanide that tastes / smells like bitter almonds, but only a small percentage of the population has the ability to detect this.
… and knowing is half the battle.
knowledge is power!
210 | Spare O'Lake Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:08:46pm |
re: #207 goddamnedfrank
Arsenic has a slightly sweet taste. It is cyanide that tastes / smells like bitter almonds, but only a small percentage of the population has the ability to detect this.
… and knowing is half the battle.
Heh.
211 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:09:24pm |
re: #206 Spare O’Lake
Only when he didn’t have his pipe with him. He inhaled the pipe too.
Thus my ‘people who enjoy them responsibly’ caveat. My brother has about one per month, for example. I believe that there are millions of the same ilk.
212 | Cato the Elder Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:09:36pm |
re: #21 Walter L. Newton
If I remember correctly, there was talk over the last week that we should legalize drugs, and that would solve out border problems with the gangs. Yep, that’s the ticket, compromise our laws because some other country can’t even police it’s own citizens.
Same mentality.
It’s not that the Mexicans can’t police their own citizens. It’s that we can’t prevent our own citizens from being the largest market of illegal drug purchasers on the planet.
Everybody is just going where the money is.
213 | cliffster Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:09:59pm |
re: #207 goddamnedfrank
Arsenic has a slightly sweet taste. It is cyanide that tastes / smells like bitter almonds, but only a small percentage of the population has the ability to detect this.
… and knowing is half the battle.
Really? I wonder if I’m one of those people. I’m going to go find out.. I’ll be back in five minutes. Or maybe 1/0 minutes.
214 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:10:46pm |
re: #213 cliffster
Really? I wonder if I’m one of those people. I’m going to go find out.. I’ll be back in five minutes. Or maybe 1/0 minutes.
either way, at least I’LL know which group you belong to//
215 | Spare O'Lake Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:14:15pm |
re: #211 Aceofwhat?
Thus my ‘people who enjoy them responsibly’ caveat. My brother has about one per month, for example. I believe that there are millions of the same ilk.
Good luck to all who smoke. There is no safe amount. I wouldn’t wish cancer on my worst enemy.
216 | bratwurst Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:14:23pm |
re: #208 Aceofwhat?
I support sodium regulation for the same reason I support smoking bans, etc…because there is a major health crisis going on in this country that is much larger than my situation.
And you were the one who felt it necessary to equate a can of soup with one third of someone’s sodium intake originally, not me. You are obviously a concerned and informed parent. If most parents were like you, we wouldn’t have such a major health crisis on our hands. I don’t pretend to know that government regulation on salt, etc. is a potential solution. However, we are facing a situation in this country where the young generation today seems destined to be the first to have a shorter life span on average than their parents. THAT, my friend, wouldn’t be cool…
217 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:18:06pm |
re: #216 bratwurst
I support sodium regulation for the same reason I support smoking bans, etc…because there is a major health crisis going on in this country that is much larger than my situation.
And you were the one who felt it necessary to equate a can of soup with one third of someone’s sodium intake originally, not me. You are obviously a concerned and informed parent. If most parents were like you, we wouldn’t have such a major health crisis on our hands. I don’t pretend to know that government regulation on salt, etc. is a potential solution. However, we are facing a situation in this country where the young generation today seems destined to be the first to have a shorter life span on average than their parents. THAT, my friend, wouldn’t be cool…
agreed. but it’s not about the sodium. regulation isn’t free…so let’s spend what limited money we have regulating things that will actually make a discernable difference to the health of the country.
at its heart, it’s not so much that i oppose any form of a sodium restriction…i oppose the utter inability to prioritize which yields such a thing.
we’re frying sardines and i’m talking tuna over here…bigger fish…
218 | Aceofwhat? Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:18:43pm |
re: #215 Spare O’Lake
Good luck to all who smoke. There is no safe amount. I wouldn’t wish cancer on my worst enemy.
i’m happy to leave it at that-
219 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:28:08pm |
220 | mich-again Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:42:57pm |
Nothing classier in Sports than the end-of-series handshake between teams at the end of a hockey playoff series. They beat the hell out of each other for 7 games and then line up to shake hands after its over. Sweet.
Especially when your team wins. Go Wings!
221 | goddamnedfrank Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:47:05pm |
re: #216 bratwurst
I support sodium regulation for the same reason I support smoking bans, etc…because there is a major health crisis going on in this country that is much larger than my situation.
I have endemic high blood pressure as does my Dad. We each had a hypertensive crisis at thirty-five, we regulate our sodium and diet like crazy and both of us will require multiple blood pressure meds for the rest of our lives. Neither of us ever smoked, were obese, or crammed sodium. He made doubly sure to instill these habits in me, it’s just the way we’re built. It’s true that some people are just going to get lung cancer, but there’s no such thing as second hand sodium. I get that parents are feeding their kids crap diets for socio-economic reasons, and that sucks, but I’m not sure “big NaCl” is quite the scourge that tobacco presents.
222 | palomino Tue, Apr 27, 2010 8:52:23pm |
re: #44 NJDhockeyfan
Evening lizards. I have been tobacco free for 4 weeks after 27 years of smoking. I did it cold turkey and have not cheated once.
:)
I’ve been smoking for 20 years, and I can’t get past 4 DAYS without a smoke.
What was the tipping point for you after 27 years?
223 | Pythagoras Tue, Apr 27, 2010 9:55:20pm |
re: #168 Walter L. Newton
That right. Five years ago, I stop drinking cold turkey. Almost three years ago I stopped smoking (3 packs a day for 30 years) cold turkey. It’s not easy, but it’s the best way.
Walter, let me give you some blunt advice born of painful, tragic, personal experience.
Get a chest X-ray every 6 months and if they see a spot get a follow-up ONE month later and if it’s grown, let them biopsy and remove the WHOLE LOBE if it’s positive — even if it’s small-cell. If that’s the case and a lymph node is also positive, do all 6 waves of chemo. If it’s non-small-cell cancer (unlikely for a smoker) then you’re lucky and just do whatever they say (possibly a lumpectomy).
Beating small cell lung cancer is extremely rare but if you catch it asymptomatic, you have a chance. The odds that you will get it are very high.