And Now, Something Amazing: Wintergatan - Marble Machine

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Marble Machine built and composed by Martin Molin
Video filmed and edited by Hannes Knutsson
Costume designed by Angelique Nagtegaal
Swedish band Wintergatan will play live concerts starting from summer 2016.
www.wintergatan.net

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1
Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 5, 2016 • 8:52:07pm

Now that is batshit crazy - in a good way.

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freetoken  Mar 5, 2016 • 8:52:36pm

Looking at the Louisiana map… Trump did very well in the parishes along the Mississippi river… just like he did in Arkansas.

Why?

Well, my speculation is this: these are counties with considerably high African American demographics, which are mostly Democrats, and the divide between the parties in these areas are thus driven by Republicans=White, Democrats=Black dynamics.

So the politics of the party becomes very skin-color influenced.

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jaunte  Mar 5, 2016 • 8:53:00pm

Now I want to build one.

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Nyet  Mar 5, 2016 • 8:53:00pm

Be sure to watch the “making of” videos.

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freetoken  Mar 5, 2016 • 8:53:54pm

These counties also tend to be very poor.

And “low educated”, as Trump would say.

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jaunte  Mar 5, 2016 • 8:54:43pm
The machine itself is — as intended — programmable. Its central wheel is a 32 bar loop, and the key of the song can be adjusted while playing — in the published video, it starts in E minor and runs into C major for its second wheel. “In theory you could go on forever,” Molin said.
wired.co.uk
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Brian J.  Mar 5, 2016 • 8:56:54pm

re: #2 freetoken

Looking at the Louisiana map… Trump did very well in the parishes along the Mississippi river… just like he did in Arkansas.

Why?

Well, my speculation is this: these are counties with a considerably high African American demographics, which are mostly Democrats, and the divide between the parties in these areas are thus driven by Republicans=White, Democrats=Black dynamics.

So the politics of the party becomes very skin-color influenced.

Also keep in mind that the number of GOP votes in those parishes is very low in absolute and relative terms. In Madison Parish, for instance, Trump won 282 votes to Cruz’s 106… versus Hillary’s 722. Concordia Parish was Trump 733, Cruz 457, Hillary 1,830. East Carroll had Trump 128, Cruz 78, and Hillary 508.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 8:56:56pm

It’s interesting to look at the socio-economic dynamics of who is voting for whom.

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Lidane  Mar 5, 2016 • 8:59:15pm
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freetoken  Mar 5, 2016 • 9:02:21pm

Watching Clinton tonight… she did not look well… Trump would call her “low energy”.

Superficial some might call me… and cynical (and that one is true)… but I can see a Cruz/Kasich ticket beating a Clinton/*** ticket in part because of ageism.

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teleskiguy  Mar 5, 2016 • 9:03:40pm

Seriously. This video is one of the coolest weirdest things I have ever seen!

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 5, 2016 • 9:06:40pm

Rumor has it that Marco Rubio will run again in 2020, but this time as Mario Cubio Ashley T. Fotherington IV.

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Lidane  Mar 5, 2016 • 9:07:55pm

Haven’t read the Great Orange Satan in a few years, but Markos is spot on here:

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 5, 2016 • 9:08:15pm

re: #12 De Kolta Chair

Rumor has it that Rubio will run again in 2020, but this time as Mario Cubio.

Will his running mate be named Luigi?

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Jenner7  Mar 5, 2016 • 9:08:49pm
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 5, 2016 • 9:10:46pm

re: #13 Lidane

Haven’t read the Great Orange Satan in a few years, but Markos is spot on here:

Markos is responding to the white-splaining and general insensitivity coming from the Bernie-bots. He’s doing a good job, as the site owner, to quell some of the abuse of the DKos system.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 5, 2016 • 9:12:18pm

re: #14 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Will his running mate be named Luigi?

Yes, and the kart races will be spellbinding!

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 9:12:42pm

re: #13 Lidane

Haven’t read the Great Orange Satan in a few years, but Markos is spot on here:

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IT’s a good piece.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 9:14:15pm

re: #16 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Markos is responding to the white-splaining and general insensitivity coming from the Bernie-bots. He’s doing a good job, as the site owner, to quell some of the abuse of the DKos system.

One group who I haven’t heard a ton about so far and I think this is because we really haven’t had any states that have a significant one is the Asian-American community. We have a decent sized one here in Va. Not like California or in other states like Oregon or Washington. I think Markos made some great points there.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 5, 2016 • 9:14:41pm

re: #15 Jenner7

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Charles Johnson  Mar 5, 2016 • 9:14:47pm

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 5, 2016 • 9:15:42pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

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You irrelevant rascal you. ;-)

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Belafon  Mar 5, 2016 • 9:16:43pm

re: #22 De Kolta Chair

You irrelevant rascal you. ;-)

Maybe they confuse irreverent with irrelevant.

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BeachDem  Mar 5, 2016 • 9:18:32pm

re: #16 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Markos is responding to the white-splaining and general insensitivity coming from the Bernie-bots. He’s doing a good job, as the site owner, to quell some of the abuse of the DKos system.

And Charles had a tweet about MSNBC mentioned in a Trix comment (one of the few threads that wasn’t a GBCW whine)

dailykos.com

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Lidane  Mar 5, 2016 • 9:19:06pm
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De Kolta Chair  Mar 5, 2016 • 9:20:33pm

re: #23 Belafon

Maybe they confuse irreverent with irrelevant.

Pink irrelevants on parade?

Dumbo (1941)
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 5, 2016 • 9:20:37pm

re: #25 Lidane

Sorry, but that dog won’t hunt.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 5, 2016 • 9:21:48pm

I assume you all have seen the animated high diving giraffes video. flixxy.com

One of my friends forwarded a forwarded email (forwarded4, in fact) with the following message:

YOU AREN’T GOING TO BELIEVE THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW!!!!!!!!!!! Enjoy.
Apparently they only do this in Australia. They don’t tour because it costs too much to transport these highly trained and valuable animals.

It take about 2 years to train one giraffe to feel comfortable in the water, and then another 3 or 4 years to get them to dive.

They also train them using only the reward system, unlike other animal exhibitions where they use harsh techniques.

Giraffes in Australia. Diving into swimming pools. Apparently, none of my friend’s correspondents noted the, um, implausibility, of this stunt in real life. i set them straight.

I’m a real pain when it comes to forwarded emails that are patently wrong or untrue. People who send me these things will eventually give up, because I’m no fun with my facts and shit.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 5, 2016 • 9:23:22pm

re: #25 Lidane

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For one thing, White House jobs don’t pay anywhere near as much as K Street.

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Belafon  Mar 5, 2016 • 9:23:32pm

re: #28 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Thanks to Snopes, I stopped getting stuff from my crazy, religious cousin.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 5, 2016 • 9:26:03pm

re: #28 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Mythbusters wrapped up at exactly the wrong time.

Appreciation of Science and Skepticism is at an all time low, and we have massive issues with ignorance now.

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teleskiguy  Mar 5, 2016 • 9:26:42pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 5, 2016 • 9:27:17pm

re: #30 Belafon

Thanks to Snopes, I stopped getting stuff from my crazy, religious cousin.

My email-forwarding friends have cut back in sending me these things. Sometimes they thank me for setting the record straight, but mostly they probably secretly think I’m being a pain in the ass.

Good.

One time, I got a forwarded email that was really derogatory toward immigrants. I went balllistic, and pointed out three of my grandparents were immigrants, and I take any anti-immigrant shit personally. I got an apology in return, and no more anti-immigrant shit.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 5, 2016 • 9:31:47pm

Speaking of stalkers, you should read this piece at Medium by a woman who was stalked by a guy for 15 years, and her frustration in finding legal recourse in getting him to stop.

backchannel.com

I didn’t think much of Danny’s behavior until one evening during my sophomore year of college. I was leaving the library when I saw Danny standing outside. He handed me the latest Red Hot Chili Peppers CD (Stadium Arcadium, not great) and asked if we could eat dinner together. I panicked; I hadn’t seen Danny since middle school and didn’t want to see him now. But I also didn’t want to hurt his feelings and felt touched by his gift. I took him to the cafeteria and made awkward conversation until I faked an excuse and left.

After that incident I cut off contact, figuring his fixation would dwindle with time. But his Facebook messages only seemed to increase, an almost daily barrage of friendly if disjointed missives responding to my status updates or providing commentary on his political beliefs, job hunt and other aspects of his life.

The last time I talked to Danny was in 2012. His messages had ramped up to a maniacal rate — every few hours for about three days straight, unreciprocated, with no end in sight. I caved and sent him a message asking him to please stop messaging me so much or I’d block him. “Ok. good luck on your quest,” he wrote back three minutes later. “Huh,” I thought. “That was easy.” Then he sent three more angry messages in quick succession and I blocked him on Facebook. That’s when everything changed.

Instead of his typical ramblings, Danny started calling me names, insulting my “Jewish nose,” and making thinly veiled threats to ruin my career. I filtered out his emails and blocked his text messages, but some communications always managed to slip through as Danny contrived new usernames and methods to harass me.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 5, 2016 • 9:34:41pm

re: #23 Belafon

Maybe they confuse irreverent with irrelevant.

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Kragar  Mar 5, 2016 • 9:34:43pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 5, 2016 • 9:35:05pm

I think Mythbusters used Trans-Siberian Orchestra during their last episode.

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Kragar  Mar 5, 2016 • 9:37:56pm
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De Kolta Chair  Mar 5, 2016 • 9:39:39pm

What a great question! [Backs away cautiously]

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teleskiguy  Mar 5, 2016 • 9:40:03pm

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teleskiguy  Mar 5, 2016 • 9:42:19pm
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retired cynic  Mar 5, 2016 • 9:45:16pm

re: #41 teleskiguy

Cool stuff. ARGH!

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 5, 2016 • 9:48:37pm

re: #41 teleskiguy

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My mom’s second husband was named Jack after “Black Jack” Pershing. He was a lumberjack in Northern Arizona, and naturally his nickname was Lumberjack Jack. He was a great guy.

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teleskiguy  Mar 5, 2016 • 9:48:47pm

re: #41 teleskiguy

In Sheridan County, a wolfer of note was S. A. “Rattlesnake Jack” McIntyre, who hunted in the Bighorns and from Ucross north to Montana in the late 1880’s and early 1890’s. In 1895, Rattlesnake Jack moved to northern Nebraska. Jack, who also for a time, ran a traveling snake show, moved to Buffalo after Nebraska authorities took his daughter Martha away from him as a result of his allowing her to play with his pet rattlesnakes. The authorities also attempted to take away his son Albert on the charges against the boy of “vagrancy and mendicancy.” A mendicant is a beggar. Jack was allowed to keep custody of Albert only on the promise that he would not longer allow the boy to play with the snakes. Rattlesnake Jack often carried the snakes with him under his shirt. In Gillette, he created a stir when he released the snakes in a local saloon.

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teleskiguy  Mar 5, 2016 • 9:51:18pm
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goddamnedfrank  Mar 5, 2016 • 9:53:36pm
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De Kolta Chair  Mar 5, 2016 • 9:54:16pm
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teleskiguy  Mar 5, 2016 • 9:55:49pm

re: #46 goddamnedfrank

I gotta give it to you. You’re treating “Sandy” like a human being who could be reached. It’s a valiant and worthwhile effort in my mind. Good on you, man.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 5, 2016 • 9:57:12pm

Obama’s recorded speech for the Mythbuster’s Finale was damn good.

And pretty funny.

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teleskiguy  Mar 5, 2016 • 10:02:14pm

Dick joke tweet ahead. SFW

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Jenner7  Mar 5, 2016 • 10:04:33pm

re: #50 teleskiguy

Whoa, but lololol.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 5, 2016 • 10:05:44pm

In other words, Sanders is trailing Clinton. Gotcha. Oh, and chill.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 5, 2016 • 10:19:56pm

‘Night all. And, like, what’s her problem?

Jack Kirby
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Brian J.  Mar 5, 2016 • 10:23:37pm

re: #52 De Kolta Chair

In other words, Sanders is trailing Clinton. Gotcha. Oh, and chill.

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Not even correct on its own merits; the current TGP count is Hillary 668, Sanders 462, and shows Hillary gaining nine delegates today- and at least as important, reducing Sanders’ chances to come back.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 5, 2016 • 10:26:49pm

While we debate Trump’s penis, people elsewhere are doing this kind of stuff. Awesome.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 5, 2016 • 10:50:19pm
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teleskiguy  Mar 5, 2016 • 10:52:57pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

Dude, I thought you were

IRRELLLEVANNTTT!!!!
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Alyosha  Mar 5, 2016 • 11:17:07pm

Bernie trying to dump Vermont’s nuclear waste on a poor, mostly-Hispanic Texas town ignoring local geological conditions and in violation of environmental controls.
Worth a read.

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teleskiguy  Mar 5, 2016 • 11:26:16pm
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teleskiguy  Mar 5, 2016 • 11:28:36pm

Some dude with the same name I have tweeted this last year.

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teleskiguy  Mar 5, 2016 • 11:31:46pm
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Alyosha  Mar 5, 2016 • 11:35:26pm
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 5, 2016 • 11:40:44pm

re: #62 Alyosha

Like Trump or Cruz would be less likely to start a war?

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Alyosha  Mar 5, 2016 • 11:47:13pm

re: #63 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Like Trump or Cruz would be less likely to start a war?

I think there’s a weird resignation among the far left that it’s not so bad when Republicans advocate war. It’s in the scorpion’s nature. Even if they secretly acknowledge the likelihood of open conflict is smaller under a Democrat, the attitude seems to be: ‘if there must be war let the Republicans do it.’
It ignores reality and exposes their hope for a new policy of Isolationism.

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Kragar  Mar 5, 2016 • 11:58:24pm
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LastYearsMan  Mar 6, 2016 • 1:01:06am

I think Trump is pretty vile on a lot of levels … but the Hitler/Nazi comparisons don’t seem right to me.

Still, really happy I don’t live in America these days. I wouldn’t even want to take the chance of any of those GOP knuckleheads (or Bloomberg) becoming president.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 6, 2016 • 1:21:45am

re: #66 LastYearsMan

Bloomberg?

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LastYearsMan  Mar 6, 2016 • 1:29:46am

re: #67 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Bloomberg?

There was some noise recently about Michael Bloomberg looking into an independent run at the presidency. Aside from being toilet trained, I don’t think he’d be much better than the GOP candidates.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 6, 2016 • 1:59:47am

Look who attended the white supremacist “National Policy Institute” conference this weekend.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 6, 2016 • 2:00:42am
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Charles Johnson  Mar 6, 2016 • 2:02:21am
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Ming5000  Mar 6, 2016 • 2:58:12am

Yesterday I was inspired to look at tax proposals. Both links are to Tax Policy Center papers.

Hillary Clinton proposes raising taxes on high-income taxpayers, modifying taxation of multinational corporations, repealing fossil fuel tax incentives, and increasing estate and gift taxes. Her proposals would increase revenue by $1.1 trillion over the next decade.

Bernie Sanders proposes significant increases in federal income, payroll, business, and estate taxes, and new excise taxes on financial transactions and carbon. New revenues would pay for universal health care, education, family leave, rebuilding the nation’s infrastructure, and more. TPC estimates the tax proposals would raise $15.3 trillion over the next decade.

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William Lewis  Mar 6, 2016 • 3:34:12am

re: #72 Ming5000

Yesterday I was inspired to look at tax proposals. Both links are to Tax Policy Center papers.

While I think that Sanders policy would be better, we might be able to get Clinton’s passed. Americans have been conditioned by decades of borrow and spend Republicans into thinking that they don’t have to pay for what we enjoy.

With a whole lot of work and some luck we might get her bill past the gerrymandered House. He’d be fighting half the Democrats as well as all of the Republicans.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 6, 2016 • 3:39:14am

re: #71 Charles Johnson

It’s like a magnetic attraction, bringing all the worst characters together in one place.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 6, 2016 • 3:42:48am

re: #68 LastYearsMan

There was some noise recently about Michael Bloomberg looking into an independent run at the presidency. Aside from being toilet trained, I don’t think he’d be much better than the GOP candidates.

Oh, OK. I guess I heard about it, but I didn’t take it seriously.

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Ming5000  Mar 6, 2016 • 3:55:44am

Marco seems to be fading fast. [from Red State] The writing is on the wall even in the RWNJ media

Funny thing is, Marco didn’t lose. He is heroically sacrificing himself TO SAVE AMERICA!

Marco Rubio’s campaign ended yesterday. He won’t acknowledge it and neither will his hardcore supporters for some days, but he is done. It was one thing when he was running more or less even with Cruz across the South, like he did on Super Tuesday, but Rubio has clearly lost his mojo, finishing behind Kasich in Maine and well behind Cruz in Kentucky and Louisiana. Rubio is running out of gas both metaphorically and physically. This is now a race between Cruz and Trump.

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Jayleia  Mar 6, 2016 • 4:09:00am

I really hate the Bernborg.

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Ming5000  Mar 6, 2016 • 4:12:40am

re: #77 Jayleia
False dichotomy.

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Nyet  Mar 6, 2016 • 4:21:57am

Meet moonbat, the wingnut’s twin brother.

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Nyet  Mar 6, 2016 • 4:23:44am

Oh wow. Scratch the above. This looks more like a former Paulite.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 6, 2016 • 4:27:27am

re: #80 Nyet

Oh wow. Scratch the above. This looks more like a former Paulite.

Supporting Sanders for all the wrong reasons, is it?

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Nyet  Mar 6, 2016 • 4:30:46am

Nah, seems like a moonbat alright. With a racist streak.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 6, 2016 • 4:31:08am

re: #62 Alyosha

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Wow. Just wow. Racism much? What was Moore’s response?

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William Lewis  Mar 6, 2016 • 4:31:10am

re: #80 Nyet

I’m sure he’s quite the independent < snicker > thinker…

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 6, 2016 • 4:35:26am

re: #76 Ming5000

Someone on MSNBC claimed that if Rubio wins in Florida, it will be a new day in the race. I have no idea why that would be so since he will still be way behind in delegates. The GOP establishment probably knows that Cruz and Trump are awful Presidential candidates for the general election and desperately want Rubio.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 6, 2016 • 4:38:07am

re: #85 Patricia Kayden

Someone on MSNBC claimed that if Rubio wins in Florida, it will be a new day in the race. I have no idea why that would be so since he will still be way behind in delegates. The GOP establishment probably knows that Cruz and Trump are awful Presidential candidates for the general election and desperately want Rubio.

I’m reading that if Rubio and Kasich don’t hold their own states, the math gets insurmountable for Trump. If they do, there is still a chance of a floor fight.

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Ming5000  Mar 6, 2016 • 4:38:26am

re: #80 Nyet

The earlier tweet using the term “corporate oligarch shill” remind me of a podcast I recently heard where Sam Harris talks about the “regressive left”.

I know that regressive left originally referred to liberals who ignored the totality of the problems of jihadism and radical islamism in the name of religious freedom and cultural tolerance.

Some of the Sander’s supporters have a vibe going where in the name of their economic ideals they are willing to throw out their principles of discourse and tolerance of diverse approaches to what are actually very similar goals. They tip close to the Trumpers on the “Burn the House Down” section of the political circle.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 6, 2016 • 4:39:09am

re: #85 Patricia Kayden

Someone on MSNBC claimed that if Rubio wins in Florida, it will be a new day in the race. I have no idea why that would be so since he will still be way behind in delegates. The GOP establishment probably knows that Cruz and Trump are awful Presidential candidates for the general election and desperately want Rubio.

Rubio is like Mitt v.3.5. He’s younger than Mitt, maybe more middle-class ordinary than Mitt, but like Mitt Rubio has very little charisma. He’d be toast in the general election.

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Alyosha  Mar 6, 2016 • 4:52:42am

re: #83 Patricia Kayden

Wow. Just wow. Racism much? What was Moore’s response?

Didn’t see any response, I doubt MM would reply to such a thing. Just ran across it on chemoelectric’s twitter.

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CarolJ  Mar 6, 2016 • 4:53:10am

A Very Important Link

Is it me, or do I think this election is angrier than anytime I can remember as an adult? Maybe I’ve been spoiled by Obama’s quiet dignity and the general class of Democratic Presidential candidates, but I feel very uncomfortable with a race that resembles a middle school I left behind decades ago.

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lawhawk  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:00:33am

re: #10 freetoken

It is probably instructive to look at how she’s doing against her 2008 run, and she’s picking up quite a few states that she lost to Obama in 2008.

States where she lost in 2008 are also states she lost again.

Hillary lost in 2008 in Kansas and Nebraska. She lost again yesterday. But she picked up Louisiana. That combination means she actually extends her lead and makes it more difficult for Bernie to gain ground.

As for the GOP, it’s a 2 person race:

Both are more extreme right wing than any GOP candidates in consideration for the nomination than any other in Republican party history. In fact, both Trump and Cruz (or Rubio for that matter) would make Reagan, Bush (Both of them), Nixon, Eisenhower, etc. look like a RINO.

This is the choice the nation faces. Extremists who are intent on destroying government and everything the nation considers important, or Democrats who are considered either centrists (Hillary) or liberal (Sanders).

I think the choice is pretty clear.

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Ming5000  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:01:23am

re: #90 CarolJ

A Very Important Link

why is that important?

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LastYearsMan  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:04:05am

re: #90 CarolJ

Is it me, or do I think this election is angrier than anytime I can remember as an adult?

I think people forget just how looney the right has been for so long. Back around the 1992 election, just mentioning Clinton would set my old landlord off on such a tear. “He went to Russia and he burned the American flag! He’s a communist and he hates America!” They’ve always been about utterly dehumanizing and denying the legitimacy of the Democrats.

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CuriousLurker  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:05:22am

ICYMI: Published by the NYT yesterday. It’s a long article, but worth reading. The GOP not only created the climate for someone like Trump to run, they encouraged him personally. He has apparently had his eye on the presidency for quite a long time.

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CarolJ  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:11:33am

But I bet the encouragers never thought he had a real chance to beat them. More than likely they figured he would run for a few months, adding celebrity flash to an otherwise dull run by a Bush or Kasich, drop out and then make a ratings bonanza speech at the convention.

I mean, why would he win with all of his vulnerabililties-no experience, scandalous backstory, lack of discipline overall?

About the link: Bernie Sanders filed in October as an independent for 2018 Senate Race. So much for really joining the Democratic Party and reforming it from within. I think he owes his supporters the truth on this one. It would be one thing if it was this year: running to retain a safe seat is okay.

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Ming5000  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:12:51am

re: #92 Ming5000

why is that important?

Sorry, in the original posting I did not see any text, just the link. Not sure what happened.

re: #90 CarolJ

Is it me, or do I think this election is angrier than anytime I can remember as an adult?

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freetoken  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:29:45am

re: #90 CarolJ

A Very Important Link

Is it me, or do I think this election is angrier than anytime I can remember as an adult?…

Well, that’s the talking point that is being pushed by some. I think it is more Trump-propaganda, along with a GOP strategy, to sell this “anger”.

There have been nastier campaigns. Even the 2000 and 2004 and 2008 had lots of nasty campaigning, but mostly among the Republicans.

What the GOP has cultured in their anti-Obama strategy, besides relying on bigotry, is targeting the displaced white male, the current victims du juor.

However, crime statistics would suggest that in some ways we are a less violent and less angry society. We see the mass-murders and gun violence but if we only concentrate on those
we miss declines in other crimes. So in some sense the latter is proof that we are treating our fellow humans better.

And many of us are not angry at all. It’s just that angry people scream - which is making noise - and that is how people get attention.

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freetoken  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:31:42am

Rather, I think we are seeing not more anger but more angst, but all those talking heads on TV often don’t use that latter word because then they would have to explain it.

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CarolJ  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:32:02am

re: #96 Ming5000 I hesitated to add commentary at first…but later thought about it and decided to do so.
I went back to look at Obama/Hillary delegate margins-and most of the time they were small-20, 70, whatever. Close enough that it could go to the end of the primary season. Close enough to be competitive. This time around, we are just after Super Tuesday, and the margin is 200+ delegates. Considering that the typical haul is low to medium double digits as a margin, Bernie needs at least a couple of blowouts to catch up.

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Nyet  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:42:28am

re: #87 Ming5000

Regressive left is a great term. Certainly applies to, e.g., Putin’s apologists among the left.

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lawhawk  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:43:44am

re: #99 CarolJ

I hesitated to add commentary at first…but later thought about it and decided to do so.
I went back to look at Obama/Hillary delegate margins-and most of the time they were small-20, 70, whatever. Close enough that it could go to the end of the primary season. Close enough to be competitive. This time around, we are just after Super Tuesday, and the margin is 200+ delegates. Considering that the typical haul is low to medium double digits as a margin, Bernie needs at least a couple of blowouts to catch up.

The 2008 campaign was actually a whole lot closer than this - Hillary racked up a popular vote advantage, but Obama held the delegate advantage due to winning more states.

Right now, she’s not only maintaining a significant popular vote advantage, but a major delegate advantage.

It really isn’t close, no matter how much Bernie’s supporters want to claim.

Hillary’s about 50% of the way there. Bernie would need to win 60% of the remaining delegates to overcome this. That’s just not going to happen, not when Hillary still has states she handily won over Obama in 2008. She’s winning states she won in 2008 plus those she didn’t back then.

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MsJ  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:53:36am

re: #28 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I assume you all have seen the animated high diving giraffes video. flixxy.com

One of my friends forwarded a forwarded email (forwarded4, in fact) with the following message:

Giraffes in Australia. Diving into swimming pools. Apparently, none of my friend’s correspondents noted the, um, implausibility, of this stunt in real life. i set them straight.

I’m a real pain when it comes to forwarded emails that are patently wrong or untrue. People who send me these things will eventually give up, because I’m no fun with my facts and shit.

My friends mom used to send all kinds of stuff like that, crazy theories, political bullshit (she’s a very religious person, so of course it was often God and country and all that). I used to, very politely (because I really liked her) send her corrections (especially for the HAIR ON FIRE, worlds going to end! stuff). She stopped including me in her emails.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:01:23am

re: #102 MsJ

My friends mom used to send all kinds of stuff like that, crazy theories, political bullshit (she’s a very religious person, so of course it was often God and country and all that). I used to, very politely (because I really liked her) send her corrections (especially for the HAIR ON FIRE, worlds going to end! stuff). She stopped including me in her emails.

Some people just don’t like others bursting their bubbles. The two who most frequently forward stuff to me are both retired and about 10 years older than me. So, I guess it’s kind of their hobby, or a way to maintain contact with other people. Mostly, they send funny stories or cute animal videos, but then there’s the “heartwarming true story” that turns out to be work of short fiction, or “can you believe this?” item like the diving giraffes.

Anyone who has seen a giraffe in real life, even in the zoo, could guess that these critters are not built for diving. More than likely, they’d break their legs or their necks. Plus, Australia? Giraffes are native to Africa. Even if I had not already seen the animated giraffes, I would have smelled a fake, just based on real life stuff.

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CuriousLurker  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:12:36am

re: #102 MsJ

Ah, yes, the diving giraffes—I remember that one. I just looked it up on YouTube and there’s another video that shows them along with tightrope walking giraffes, elephants skydiving & jumping on trampolines, a turtle upside down using his shell as a skateboard, etc.

There are also videos like “Man jumps out of plane with no parachute, lands on trampoline.” Not only that, he has to fall into a 3’ x 5’ opening in the roof of a hangar to land on the trampoline. The comments are turned off for that one. I wonder how many people bothered to look and see that it’s posted in the “Comedy” category?

People will believe any damned thing, hence candidate Trump.

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freetoken  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:14:06am

Cruz was by far the big winner in delegates yesterday:

nytimes.com

And most likely Rubio will win PR today.

So March 8th is looking more interesting than it was previously. If Cruz wins in Idaho… and Rubio in Hawaii… then that leaves only Michigan and Mississippi for Trump. Trump will certainly win the latter, so Michigan is going to be hot for polls and campaigning over the next week.

The horse race is on.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:15:00am

So, after perusing earlier comments, it seems clear that a lot of Sanders supporters haven’t grasped that despite Bernie taking last night’s contests 2-1, Clinton increased both her delegate and popular vote lead.

Between today and March 15th, Clinton looks to win Michigan, Mississippi, Florida, Illinois, North Carolina and Ohio. Clinton was ahead in old polling for Missouri too.
Old polling has a small lead for Sanders in Maine. I would even give him the Northern Mariana Islands Caucus, since there’s no polling…

Any sensible person can see the significant burden Sanders is going to need to overcome.

Now, with the Republican race, March 15th could certainly mark the end. Florida, Illinois, Missouri and Ohio are all “winner-take-all” contests (as well is the Northern Mariana Islands Caucus) with I believe a total of 295 delegates being awarded among them. And guess who leads in the polling.

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weave  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:17:26am

re: #2 freetoken

Looking at the Louisiana map… Trump did very well in the parishes along the Mississippi river… just like he did in Arkansas.

Why?

Well, my speculation is this: these are counties with considerably high African American demographics, which are mostly Democrats, and the divide between the parties in these areas are thus driven by Republicans=White, Democrats=Black dynamics.

So the politics of the party becomes very skin-color influenced.

Whatever the reason it appears clear that there are traditional Democrats being attracted by Trump and that could spell a lot of trouble in the general if he’s nominated. We don’t need another “Reagan Democrats” election.

… but it’s starting to look like Trump is going to tank fast and might lose this after all, so if that happens, I’m thinking the hard core Trump supporters stay home. Which is better than voting Republican but still hurts if they generally voted Democrat.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:23:10am

re: #104 CuriousLurker

Ah, yes, the diving giraffes—I remember that one. I just looked it up on YouTube and there’s another video that shows them along with tightrope walking giraffes, elephants skydiving & jumping on trampolines a turtle upside down using his shell as a skateboard, etc.

There are also videos like “Man jumps out of plane with no parachute, lands on trampoline.” Not only that, he has to fall into a 3’ x 5’ opening in the roof of a hangar to land on the trampoline. The comments are turned off for that one. I wonder how many people bothered to look and see that it’s posted in the “Comedy” category?

People will believe any damned thing, hence candidate Trump.

Very true. Con men know that the typical person is pretty gullible. Tell somebody something with enough confidence and you get them to believe anything.

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freetoken  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:30:28am

New Marist poll for MI:

Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton Hold Big Leads in Michigan: Poll

In the Republican race, Trump gets support from 41 percent of likely primary voters — followed by Ted Cruz at 22 percent, Marco Rubio at 17 percent and John Kasich at 13 percent.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:34:19am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:34:55am

It’s a big problem for Bernie that he is struggling big time with minority voters. It really. Almost to a tee though and without the vote, I’m part of Bernie’s coalition. I’m 28, male, white, and self identify as liberal. Unfortunately we’re not a reliable bloc. The reason why you cannot compare Bernie-16 to Obama-08 is that Obama was building a much broader coalition. Now the diehards can bitch all they want but African Americans, Hispanics, and others aren’t buying Bernie’s message and prefer Clinton’s and I’m sick of the patronizing and in some cases even racist bullshit from them.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:37:21am

re: #110 FormerDirtDart

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I’m going to miss him. If Biden had ran, I happily would have supported him. I have no idea how he’d doing but I think he’s one of the most genuine decent people in public service, knowledgeable but at the same time self-depreciating.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:38:06am

re: #111 HappyWarrior

It’s a big problem for Bernie that he is struggling big time with minority voters. It really. Almost to a tee though and without the vote, I’m part of Bernie’s coalition. I’m 28, male, white, and self identify as liberal. Unfortunately we’re not a reliable bloc. The reason why you cannot compare Bernie-16 to Obama-08 is that Obama was building a much broader coalition. Now the diehards can bitch all they want but African Americans, Hispanics, and others aren’t buying Bernie’s message and prefer Clinton’s and I’m sick of the patronizing and in some cases even racist bullshit from them.

I’m liberal, and I don’t buy Bernie’s message. I’d love it if his vision of the future came to pass, but the tax requirements alone are a non-starter. I’m in a different age group than his main supporters seem to be, though.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:39:20am

re: #113 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I’m liberal, and I don’t buy Bernie’s message. I’d love it if his vision of the future came to pass, but the tax requirements alone are a non-starter. I’m in a different age group than his main supporters seem to be, though.

Right, agree with that as well.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:51:37am

re: #114 HappyWarrior

Right, agree with that as well.

I’m not sure the Bernie-bots have given much thought to where the money would come from for Bernie’s big ideas. He hopes to get it from the richest people, but realistically, it would come out of the pockets of the middle class, or his programs would die in Congress.

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jaunte  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:53:17am
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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:53:27am

re: #73 William Lewis

While I think that Sanders policy would be better, we might be able to get Clinton’s passed. Americans have been conditioned by decades of borrow and spend Republicans into thinking that they don’t have to pay for what we enjoy.

With a whole lot of work and some luck we might get her bill past the gerrymandered House. He’d be fighting half the Democrats as well as all of the Republicans.

Democrats are beginning to hope that if Trump is the GOP nominee, the Democrats might be able to win control of the House.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:56:50am

re: #85 Patricia Kayden

Someone on MSNBC claimed that if Rubio wins in Florida, it will be a new day in the race. I have no idea why that would be so since he will still be way behind in delegates. The GOP establishment probably knows that Cruz and Trump are awful Presidential candidates for the general election and desperately want Rubio.

Well that’s the problem, isn’t it? So far, he has shown no sign of being able to win Florida, or much of anywhere else. He’s supposed to win in Puerto Rico today, for what that’s worth.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:59:17am

re: #90 CarolJ

A Very Important Link

Is it me, or do I think this election is angrier than anytime I can remember as an adult? Maybe I’ve been spoiled by Obama’s quiet dignity and the general class of Democratic Presidential candidates, but I feel very uncomfortable with a race that resembles a middle school I left behind decades ago.

The Onion predicted it four years ago.
theonion.com

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:07:15am

Something like this would have me looking for Allen Funt…

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:07:21am

re: #106 FormerDirtDart

So, after perusing earlier comments, it seems clear that a lot of Sanders supporters haven’t grasped that despite Bernie taking last night’s contests 2-1, Clinton increased both her delegate and popular vote lead.

Between today and March 15th, Clinton looks to win Michigan, Mississippi, Florida, Illinois, North Carolina and Ohio. Clinton was ahead in old polling for Missouri too.
Old polling has a small lead for Sanders in Maine. I would even give him the Northern Mariana Islands Caucus, since there’s no polling…

Any sensible person can see the significant burden Sanders is going to need to overcome.

Now, with the Republican race, March 15th could certainly mark the end. Florida, Illinois, Missouri and Ohio are all “winner-take-all” contests (as well is the Northern Mariana Islands Caucus) with I believe a total of 295 delegates being awarded among them. And guess who leads in the polling.

Cruz had a good night yesterday, with late deciders moving toward him. It will be very interesting to see what happens Tuesday. One new Michigan poll shows a dramatic rise in support for Kasich putting him just ahead of Trump, but its so different from prior polls it could just be an anomaly. I have no idea if Cruz still has a mathematical path to the nomination, or if its down to either Trump or a contested convention.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:10:46am

re: #111 HappyWarrior

It’s a big problem for Bernie that he is struggling big time with minority voters. It really. Almost to a tee though and without the vote, I’m part of Bernie’s coalition. I’m 28, male, white, and self identify as liberal. Unfortunately we’re not a reliable bloc. The reason why you cannot compare Bernie-16 to Obama-08 is that Obama was building a much broader coalition. Now the diehards can bitch all they want but African Americans, Hispanics, and others aren’t buying Bernie’s message and prefer Clinton’s and I’m sick of the patronizing and in some cases even racist bullshit from them.

Its really funny seeing Clinton taking Obama’s ‘08 coalition and Sanders taking the Clinton ‘08 coalition. of course we know how 2008 turned out, and this race is going to go the same way.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:10:49am

I hope this is just a photoshop:

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:14:20am

re: #115 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I’m not sure the Bernie-bots have given much thought to where the money would come from for Bernie’s big ideas. He hopes to get it from the richest people, but realistically, it would come out of the pockets of the middle class, or his programs would die in Congress.

In reality, if Sanders were the nominee the GOP would control the House and his progressive agenda would be DOA. If Hillary wins and Trump is the GOP nominee, then there is now a slim chance for a Democratic House. So there is a better chance for progressive change with Hillary as the nominee than with Sanders. I’m liberal, but I live in the real world, and I know the limits of Presidential power. The President has to have coattails to bring Congress with him, and Hillary at the center can reach voters that a socialist like Bernie would scare off.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:16:03am

re: #112 HappyWarrior

Yeah, I really do like him too.

After his son died, I knew he wouldn’t run for President.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:16:50am

re: #123 Dr. Matt

I hope this is just a photoshop:

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Got to be; no way Trump’s people are dense enough to approve that.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:17:37am

re: #120 FormerDirtDart

Someone’s farm has had a jailbreak!

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:19:22am

re: #125 Ziggy_TARDIS

Yeah, I really do like him too.

After his son died, I knew he wouldn’t run for President.

Yeah I think his son’s passing pretty much made it a given that he would not run. I thought his age would be a factor but he’s younger than Bernie and Bernie’s age hasn’t been a factor.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:19:24am

re: #14 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Will his running mate be named Luigi?

No, Luigi’s old-school New York and he’s already endorsed Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:21:03am

re: #124 Big Beautiful Door

In reality, if Sanders were the nominee the GOP would control the House and his progressive agenda would be DOA. If Hillary wins and Trump is the GOP nominee, then there is now a slim chance for a Democratic House. So there is a better chance for progressive change with Hillary as the nominee than with Sanders. I’m liberal, but I live in the real world, and I know the limits of Presidential power. The President has to have coattails to bring Congress with him, and Hillary at the center can reach voters that a socialist like Bernie would scare off.

The thing is being president is so much more than personal ideology. I think Clinton is much better equipped to deal with foreign affairs than he is. And yes, I know how he voted on Iraq versus her but I’m talking about the actual nitty gritty of foreign affairs which is difficult for navigate. Plus like yourself, I want a good amount of Democrats in Congress and Bernie hasn’t committed himself to working hard on the down ticket candidates.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:21:14am
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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:23:49am

re: #131 Dr. Matt

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And of course, as fivethirtyeight pointed out, Winter polls of hypothetical November matchups are virtually worthless.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:24:51am

re: #131 Dr. Matt

I am going to admit, those numbers confuse me.

Who the hell would vote for Cruz against Clinton, but Sanders against Cruz?

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:26:26am

re: #118 Big Beautiful Door

Well that’s the problem, isn’t it? So far, he has shown no sign of being able to win Florida, or much of anywhere else. He’s supposed to win in Puerto Rico today, for what that’s worth.

It’ll keep him in till Florida, most likely, andit should. Part of me thinks that Rubio should use a Puerto Rico win as a chance to get out of the race on a not-negative note. However, Florida does have 99 electoral votes and its winner-take-all. So if Rubio could pull off that win he’d look a lot better delegate-wise.

Moreover, Ted Cruz entered Florida too late to win it and is just going in to try to mess Rubio up, while Kaisch is focused solely on Ohio right now. So for Rubio to drop out would be to cede Florida to Donald Trump and I reject that idea. Therefore Rubio should stay in for now.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:28:09am

re: #133 Ziggy_TARDIS

I am going to admit, those numbers confuse me.

Who the hell would vote for Cruz against Clinton, but Sanders against Cruz?

The new PUMAs

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:29:16am

re: #133 Ziggy_TARDIS

I am going to admit, those numbers confuse me.

Who the hell would vote for Cruz against Clinton, but Sanders against Cruz?

Someone who says that could be just trying to screw up the poll. I’d want to know if the poll surveyed Registered Voters or Likely Voters. Polls of the latter are more reliable.

(All Adults polls are worthless and should be ignored.)

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:32:48am

re: #134 Dark_Falcon

It’ll keep him in till Florida, most likely, andit should. Part of me thinks that Rubio should use a Puerto Rico win as a chance to get out of the race on a not-negative note. However, Florida does have 99 electoral votes and its winner-take-all. So if Rubio could pull off that win he’d look a lot better delegate-wise.

Moreover, Ted Cruz entered Florida too late to win it and is just going in to try to mess Rubio up, while Kaisch is focused solely on Ohio right now. So for Rubio to drop out would be to cede Florida to Donald Trump and I reject that idea. Therefore Rubio should stay in for now.

I live in Jacksonville, and since Thursday have been bombarded with Anti-Trump ads from a myriad of conservative PACs . No advocating for any particular candidate, just not Trump.

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CuriousLurker  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:34:09am
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Dark_Falcon  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:34:29am

re: #137 FormerDirtDart

I live in Jacksonville, and since Thursday have been bombarded with Anti-Trump ads from a myriad of conservative PACs . No advocating for any particular candidate, just not Trump.

That’s my point. Florida is the place where the line has to hold. If Trump wins there the only way to stop him will be a convention fight.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:36:24am

re: #133 Ziggy_TARDIS

I am going to admit, those numbers confuse me.

Who the hell would vote for Cruz against Clinton, but Sanders against Cruz?

BernieBros who don’t get it.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:36:37am

I dunno. I look at the anti-PAC ads like this. Okay, you’re telling me who I should vote against, tell me what I should be voting for then.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:36:52am

re: #136 Dark_Falcon

Someone who says that could be just trying to screw up the poll. I’d want to know if the poll surveyed Registered Voters or Likely Voters. Polls of the latter are more reliable.

(All Adults polls are worthless and should be ignored.)

Residents: n=2570, MOE +/-1.9%
Registered Voters: n=2229, MOE +/-2.1%

NBC News/WSJ/Marist Poll

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MsJ  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:39:00am

re: #104 CuriousLurker

People will believe any damned thing, hence candidate Trump.

Ask Alex Jones. People I know - and thought had reasonable minds - believe Chemtrails.

There was a amateur ghost hunter in Jeopardy!

I’m losing hope for our species. But it was a nice run.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:39:25am

The irony is after years of having their voters fall in line for the establishment candidates, the GOP establishment now wants their voters to fall out of line and vote against the frontrunner. Who knows what is happening with Trump. Maybe he’s vulnerable but it’s more apparent to me than ever that Cruz is emerging as Trump’s chief rival and not Rubio like they had hoped.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:39:42am

re: #134 Dark_Falcon

It’ll keep him in till Florida, most likely, andit should. Part of me thinks that Rubio should use a Puerto Rico win as a chance to get out of the race on a not-negative note. However, Florida does have 99 electoral votes and its winner-take-all. So if Rubio could pull off that win he’d look a lot better delegate-wise.

Moreover, Ted Cruz entered Florida too late to win it and is just going in to try to mess Rubio up, while Kaisch is focused solely on Ohio right now. So for Rubio to drop out would be to cede Florida to Donald Trump and I reject that idea. Therefore Rubio should stay in for now.

Of course, he might as well play out his hand, unless he wants to avoid a humiliating loss in his home state.

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freetoken  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:39:48am

Another new poll from MI via CBS - results very close to the new Marist poll:

Scribd Document

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whitebeach  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:40:48am

re: #134 Dark_Falcon

Moreover, Ted Cruz entered Florida too late to win it and is just going in to try to mess Rubio up, while Kaisch is focused solely on Ohio right now. So for Rubio to drop out would be to cede Florida to Donald Trump and I reject that idea. Therefore Rubio should stay in for now.

OK, let’s get to the point. Which one of these four creeps do you think belongs anywhere near the Oval Office?

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:42:25am

re: #139 Dark_Falcon

That’s my point. Florida is the place where the line has to hold. If Trump wins there the only way to stop him will be a convention fight.

If he wins Florida, Ohio and Illinois on March 15, I don’t think there will be a floor fight.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:42:51am

re: #146 freetoken

Another new poll from MI via CBS - results very close to the new Marist poll:

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Trump’s Muslim immigration policy has large approval. So again I stick with my opinion that Trump is not the illness but a symptom.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:44:47am

I’m cleaning out my office now. So far I have pulled out:

1 Dell Vostro 2007 computer tower (removed the hard drive)
3 (count ‘em!) HP inkjet printers
1 HP laser printer, 1990’s vintage (must have cost $750, worthless now)
1 Canon inkjet printer
Box full of ps2 mice (garbage)
Box full of random cables & power sources
Bunch of pirated DVD’s we smuggled out of Moscow in 2007

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CuriousLurker  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:44:51am

re: #143 MsJ

Ask Alex Jones. People I know - and thought had reasonable minds - believe Chemtrails.

There was a amateur ghost hunter in Jeopardy!

I’m losing hope for our species. But it was a nice run.

Heh, I suppose that kind of bad crazy has always been out there, we just weren’t exposed to it like we are now. The web & social media have also made it easier for the CT types (and sundry other crazies) to connect with each other & feed each other’s delusions.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:45:46am

I found a BRAND NEW KEYBOARD in box. OK swapping out now. :)

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MsJ  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:49:02am

re: #123 Dr. Matt

I hope this is just a photoshop:

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There were signs just like that at a voting place a few days ago except it was blue and white. The negative white space was a swastika. It took me a while to see it I. Was. Floored. It’s in a thread here from Tuesday or Wednesday. I’m on my phone but let me look.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:49:54am

re: #148 Big Beautiful Door

If he wins Florida, Ohio and Illinois on March 15, I don’t think there will be a floor fight.

Margin of victory matters in my home state, because the Land of Lincoln is not winner-take-all.

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MsJ  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:52:11am

re: #153 MsJ

There were signs just like that at a voting place a few days ago except it was blue and white. The negative white space was a swastika. It took me a while to see it I. Was. Floored. It’s in a thread here from Tuesday or Wednesday. I’m on my phone but let me look.

Yup. Here it is. Look at the negative white space.

thehill.com

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:54:52am

I don’t know who Alex Mallin is, but he doesn’t seem all that bright.
Trumps “tune change” looks to me more like “change the laws to make my torture and war crimes legal”

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:55:38am

SHOCK! Wingnut acknowledges tweeting fake photo, says he’ll delete it.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:56:30am

re: #155 MsJ

Yup. Here it is. Look at the negative white space.

thehill.com

Yes, that’s clearly an anti-Trump sign.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:57:55am

re: #157 The Vicious Babushka

SHOCK! Wingnut acknowledges tweeting fake photo, says he’ll delete it.

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What did the fake photo show?

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:58:01am

re: #155 MsJ

Yup. Here it is. Look at the negative white space.

thehill.com

I find that problematic. Swastikas should not be used for political advertising, even to tear down someone using populism to bad ends. For all his problems, Donald Trump doesn’t support genocide and he hasn’t proposed attacking nations other than those where our sworn terrorist enemies hold territory.

Donald Trump should not be president and I will not vote for him, but he’s not Hitler.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:59:54am

re: #160 Dark_Falcon

I find that problematic. Swastikas should not be used for political advertising, even to tear down someone using populism to bad ends. For all his problems, Donald Trump doesn’t support genocide and he hasn’t proposed attacking nations other than those where our sworn terrorist enemies hold territory.

Donald Trump should not be president and I will not vote for him, but he’s not Hitler.

I normally agree but when you have many Holocaust survivors and people who fled Nazi Germany that his rhetoric is a lot like his, my ears do start to listen. Plus his rhetoric is like no one’s I seen before who has done this well seeking a major party nomination.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:00:53am

re: #156 FormerDirtDart

I don’t know who Alex Mallin is, but he doesn’t seem all that bright.
Trumps “tune change” looks to me more like “change the laws to make my torture and war crimes legal”

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How can anyone tell what he thinks on the issue when he’s repeatedly flip-floped on the issue? He’s just telling people what they want to hear.

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MsJ  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:01:13am

re: #158 Big Beautiful Door

Yes, that’s clearly an anti-Trump sign.

Is it? Stop Trump seems anti to me. Trump Stop - at a voting location - seems like an invitation.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:01:14am

re: #159 Big Beautiful Door

What did the fake photo show?

The original photo is here.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:03:02am

re: #160 Dark_Falcon

I find that problematic. Swastikas should not be used for political advertising, even to tear down someone using populism to bad ends. For all his problems, Donald Trump doesn’t support genocide and he hasn’t proposed attacking nations other than those where our sworn terrorist enemies hold territory.

Donald Trump should not be president and I will not vote for him, but he’s not Hitler.

Out of curiosity, and I’m not going to ask you who you will vote for though you are free to disclose that if you like, are you in for the #nevertrump strategy of voting for whoever has the best chance of beating Trump in Illinois to try to block his nomination, or will you vote for the candidate you think would be the best nominee?

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:03:29am

re: #164 The Vicious Babushka

That’s such an obvious fake I don’t know why someone would think it was anything else.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:03:43am

Anyhow I’m going to Europe next year. I have no doubt I’ll be asked my thoughts on Herr Drumpf.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:04:57am

re: #163 MsJ

Is it? Stop Trump seems anti to me. Trump Stop - at a voting location - seems like an invitation.

I disagree. No-one in America associates a candidate they like with the swastika, not even white supremacists. Its an anti-Trump sign.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:05:34am

re: #165 Big Beautiful Door

Out of curiosity, and I’m not going to ask you who you will vote for though you are free to disclose that if you like, are you in for the #nevertrump strategy of voting for whoever has the best chance of beating Trump in Illinois to try to block his nomination, or will you vote for the candidate you think would be the best nominee?

I don’t know yet. I’d planned on voting for Rubio, but if it looks like Cruz is the best chance to rack up the delegates here, then I might well vote for him.

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stpaulbear  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:05:37am

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CuriousLurker  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:05:41am

re: #157 The Vicious Babushka

SHOCK! Wingnut acknowledges tweeting fake photo, says he’ll delete it.

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I guess he forgot about the earlier one (I’m assuming it’s the same—same setting).

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SoundGuy 2016  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:05:50am

Hitler wasn’t stumping for murdering 6m from the pulpit in 1933 either. It started much less bad, generally dehumanizing people and ‘othering’ them first.

So the excuse that Trump isn’t for murdering people doesn’t hold water. His rhetoric is dangerous and it’s becoming more acceptable.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:06:08am

re: #166 Dark_Falcon

That’s such an obvious fake I don’t know why someone would think it was anything else.

Confirmation bias makes obviously fake pictures look real to those who want them to be.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:06:12am

re: #166 Dark_Falcon

That’s such an obvious fake I don’t know why someone would think it was anything else.

Because they want to believe it’s real

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sagehen  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:06:14am

re: #133 Ziggy_TARDIS

I am going to admit, those numbers confuse me.

Who the hell would vote for Cruz against Clinton, but Sanders against Cruz?

Someone who could never bring themselves to vote for a woman.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:06:59am

re: #168 Big Beautiful Door

I disagree. No-one in America associates a candidate they like with the swastika, not even white supremacists. Its an anti-Trump sign.

Quite Concur.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:07:02am

re: #170 stpaulbear

Not if Bernie is the Dem nominee.

Bingo. One very good reason to vote for Hillary. Bernie would have no coattails.

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MsJ  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:07:16am

re: #167 HappyWarrior

Anyhow I’m going to Europe next year. I have no doubt I’ll be asked my thoughts on Herr Drumpf.

On all my trips overseas, I found very few anti- Americans (none, actually) and everyone I spoke with was pretty darned smart, knowledgable of American politics and quite friendly.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:07:18am

re: #160 Dark_Falcon

Donald Trump should not be president and I will not vote for him, but he’s not Hitler.

….Yet.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:08:15am

re: #177 Big Beautiful Door

Bingo. One very good reason to vote for Hillary. Bernie would have no coattails.

It’d be a problem even if he did plan to campaign for other Democratic candidates, it’s a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE problem that he’s non-committal on the subject. It really makes me question if he understands what he’s getting himself into.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:08:20am

Will of the people…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:08:22am

re: #160 Dark_Falcon

Donald Trump should not be president and I will not vote for him, but he’s not Hitler.

You know who ELSE wasn’t Hitler….
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Dark_Falcon  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:09:43am

re: #177 Big Beautiful Door

Bingo. One very good reason to vote for Hillary. Bernie would have no coattails.

He’d not only have no coattails but he’d also be crushed. By the time the GOP got done with him, most Americans would automatically associate him with a hammer and sickle. He’d lose in a 1980-style electoral knockout

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:10:41am

re: #178 MsJ

On all my trips overseas, I found very few anti- Americans (none, actually) and everyone I spoke with was pretty darned smart, knowledgable of American politics and quite friendly.

Oh me too but I know I’m going to be asked. I’ve never been mistreated as an American abroad. In fact, I’ve got more experiences to the opposite. I got a family history of my grandmother’s maiden name for free in Ireland when I was out of cash one day because the guy took pity on me. I just honest to God wanted to look at it but the guy asked me if I was American and offered it free of charge. Can’t say enough nice words about the Irish people. My experiences with the Portuguese two years ago also awesome. Not a lot of them have been here like some of their European neighbors and they were also pleasantly surprised to see I chose to visit their nation because Portugal doesn’t get as much tourism as Spain, France, and the other countries in that region.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:11:41am

SPOILER: Texas lost, & the Mexicans “came & took” their guns.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:12:16am

re: #181 FormerDirtDart

Will of the people…

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Another way to look at that:

Total Republican votes (of listed candidates): 8.2 million
Total Democratic votes (of listed candidates): 6.2 million

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:12:26am

re: #183 Dark_Falcon

He’d not only have no coattails but he’d also be crushed. By the time the GOP got done with him, most Americans would automatically associate him with a hammer and sickle. He’d lose in a 1980-style electoral knockout

Fortunately for the Democrats, its pretty clear at this point that Bernie has no path to the nomination. He can win all the small mostly white states he likes; it didn’t work for Hillary in 2008 and it won’t work for Bernie now.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:12:26am

re: #185 The Vicious Babushka

SPOILER: Texas lost, & the Mexicans “came & took” their guns.

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Santa Ana also had a problem with their whole slavery thing.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:14:55am

What amuses me re:BErnie is you know there’s someone out there that thinks he’s not left enough. And that’s why I get amused by ideological purity contests. Likewise there are people who think Trump and even Cruz aren’t right wing enough.

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MsJ  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:15:19am

re: #160 Dark_Falcon

Donald Trump should not be president and I will not vote for him, but he’s not Hitler.

People didn’t think Hitler was “Hitler”. Until he was.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:16:03am

re: #186 Dark_Falcon

Another way to look at that:

Total Republican votes (of listed candidates): 8.2 million
Total Democratic votes (of listed candidates): 6.2 million

However primary voters are a small slice of the most engaged members of the electorate, so they can’t be taken to be representative of the electorate as a whole, who by the way are now giving President Obama his highest approval ratings in nearly three years.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:16:44am

re: #190 MsJ

People didn’t think Hitler was “Hitler”. Until he was.

That’s very true as well. Hell many saw Hitler as the “safer” alternative to the KPD or even the SPD. A lot of people thought the Anti-Semitism was just acting and trying to bait the masses.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:16:48am

re: #185 The Vicious Babushka

SPOILER: Texas lost, & the Mexicans “came & took” their guns.

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Mexico won the battle but lost the war. Incompetent commanders will do you in every time, and however competent he was in managing a siege and assault, Santa Ana was incompetent making sure his scouts were doing their job and in setting up a camp in potentially hostile country.

But war is often a contest of blunders, and the blunder by the defenders of the Alamo was outweighed by the greater blunders made by Santa Ana prior to San Jacinto.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:17:23am

Cruz honestly in some ways is worse than Trump. I mean fuck Trump man but Cruz has a lot of terrible things going his way too.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:17:28am

When it comes to the coattail issue, if it is true that Democrats won’t turn out to vote for downticket races with Sanders as the nominee, why do they assume that Democrats would still turn out to vote for Sanders for President? When it comes to Democratic turnout, it is prudent to take the under.

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CuriousLurker  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:18:01am

re: #160 Dark_Falcon

I find that problematic. Swastikas should not be used for political advertising, even to tear down someone using populism to bad ends. For all his problems, Donald Trump doesn’t support genocide and he hasn’t proposed attacking nations other than those where our sworn terrorist enemies hold territory.

Donald Trump should not be president and I will not vote for him, but he’s not Hitler.

He sure didn’t denounce the idea of the ethnic cleansing of Muslims, did he? Imagine if someone had said the same about any other religious group or other type of minority.

At a Trump campaign rally in Rochester, New Hampshire a man in a “Trump” shirt took the microphone and said, “We have a problem in this country. It’s called Muslims.”

“We know our current President is one,” he added. “You know he’s not even an American.”

“We need this question,” Trump replied, smiling.

Then things turned even darker, as the man discussed his beliefs that Muslims were in training camps plotting to kill.

“That’s my question. When can we get rid of ‘em?” the man said.

Trump was unfazed at the casual suggestion of cultural genocide. “We are going to be looking at a lot of different things. A lot of people saying that,” Trump said. […]

thinkprogress.org

Trump Takes a Question

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:18:42am

re: #160 Dark_Falcon

I find that problematic. Swastikas should not be used for political advertising, even to tear down someone using populism to bad ends. For all his problems, Donald Trump doesn’t support genocide and he hasn’t proposed attacking nations other than those where our sworn terrorist enemies hold territory.

Donald Trump should not be president and I will not vote for him, but he’s not Hitler.

But he is trying to ride racism and fear into the White House, and that would not bode well if he succeeded.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:19:50am

re: #192 HappyWarrior

That’s very true as well. Hell many saw Hitler as the “safer” alternative to the KPD or even the SPD. A lot of people thought the Anti-Semitism was just acting and trying to bait the masses.

In fact there was a 1922 article in the New York Times saying just that.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:19:52am

re: #196 CuriousLurker

He sure didn’t denounce the idea of the ethnic cleansing of Muslims, did he? Imagine if someone had said the same about any other religious group or other type of minority.

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At the very least that episode shows Trump’s cowardice, at the very most, it shows he’s okay with what that asshole was proposing. As you say CL, if this kind of talk was about any other religious group in our country, people’s be horrified but Anti-Muslim prejudice is socially acceptable in the GOP. Not merely prejudice but treating Muslims and Muslim-Americans like the enemy.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:20:46am

re: #198 Big Beautiful Door

In fact there was a 1922 article in the New York Times saying just that.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:20:49am

re: #198 Big Beautiful Door

In fact there was a 1922 article in the New York Times saying just that.

Yep I was thinking of that when I posted that. Re: The part about Hitler just playing the Anti-Semitism up.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:21:57am

re: #194 HappyWarrior

Cruz honestly in some ways is worse than Trump. I mean fuck Trump man but Cruz has a lot of terrible things going his way too.

Yes, I’m afraid that Cruz would have us in a war in the Middle East pretty quickly. He is a rigid ideologue, so we know the terrible things he wants to do. Trump might do something right by accident.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:21:58am

re: #200 The Vicious Babushka

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You could quite honestly replace Hitler’s name with Trump and Anti-Semitic with Anti-Muslim. As I got at, Anti-Muslim prejudice is accepted and commonplace in the party whose nomination Trump is attempting to get.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:23:09am

re: #202 Big Beautiful Door

Yes, I’m afraid that Cruz would have us in a war in the Middle East pretty quickly. He is a rigid ideologue, so we know the terrible things he wants to do. Trump might do something right by accident.

Rubio likewise has the war fever and shares much of Cruz’s so-con agenda. Kasich wants to use the U.S government to force Christianity on people in the ME. There are no good opitions in these four, only Fuck! Shti! Goddamnit! and Crap!

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CuriousLurker  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:23:09am

re: #199 HappyWarrior

At the very least that episode shows Trump’s cowardice opportunism, at the very most, it shows he’s okay with what that asshole was proposing. As you say CL, if this kind of talk was about any other religious group in our country, people’s be horrified but Anti-Muslim prejudice is socially acceptable in the GOP. Not merely prejudice but treating Muslims and Muslim-Americans like the enemy.

FTFY

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:24:28am

re: #175 sagehen

So, Gamergaters?

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:24:40am

re: #199 HappyWarrior

At the very least that episode shows Trump’s cowardice, at the very most, it shows he’s okay with what that asshole was proposing. As you say CL, if this kind of talk was about any other religious group in our country, people’s be horrified but Anti-Muslim prejudice is socially acceptable in the GOP. Not merely prejudice but treating Muslims and Muslim-Americans like the enemy.

Which [SPOILER ALERT ABOUT ZOOTOPIA]

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MsJ  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:25:23am

re: #196 CuriousLurker

Further, let’s replace Muslum with Jew. Then let’s look at those quotes again.

Then, let’s intersperse some Hitler quotes and play Who Said It.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:26:07am

re: #205 CuriousLurker

FTFY

It scares the crap out of me honestly. Even when McCain called out that crazy woman calling Obama an Arab, McCain did not say, “You know ma’am, Arabs aren’t our enemy. In fact we work with Arabs and Muslims to work for peace in the Middle East all the time.” Now he did defend Obama as a man which was nice but that response gets too much credit. There’s no one in Trump’s party that is wliling ot point to Arab-Americans and or Muslims- the two are not always the same groupas you very well are aware and say “These people are our fellow Americans. They deserve the same respect under the law and should not be treated like they are the people who committed 9/11.” The last one who did that was Bush funnily enough and Bush is about as popular as a kick in the nads in his party right now.

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bratwurst  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:27:16am

Translation: I liked Trump better when his attacks were against someone I also dislike.

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SoundGuy 2016  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:27:21am

Cruz is scarier than Trump as POTUS. Arguing degrees of horribleness though. They both sow hate.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:27:26am

re: #207 Big Beautiful Door

Which [SPOILER ALERT ABOUT ZOOTOPIA]

Is the exact plot of the movie Zootopia, which I’m glad I took my kids to see to get a positive message against prejudice.

I read a review of that one. Sounds good. Need to get my brother to take his little girl to see it though she’s very young and will probably only focus on the animals than overall message.

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Kent Dorfman  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:27:54am

Glenn Beck is loving all this attention. On all sorts of talk show this morning. Hey, an analog clock is right twice a day.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:28:17am

re: #210 bratwurst

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Translation: I liked Trump better when his attacks were against someone I also dislike.

Which makes you again Mitt a fucking coward. You were fine with Trump exploiting the base’s xenophobia when it was to your benefit but now that he actually wants to control the party himself, you’re scared. Fuck off you fucking hypocritical asshole.

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MsJ  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:28:24am

re: #208 MsJ

Further, let’s replace Muslum with Jew. Then let’s look at those quotes again.

Then, let’s intersperse some Hitler quotes and play Who Said It.

Spell much, Joanne? Why, no. No I can’t.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:28:44am

re: #213 Kent Dorfman

Glenn Beck is loving all this attention. On all sorts of talk show this morning. Hey, an analog clock is right twice a day.

Ugh.

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bratwurst  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:29:14am

re: #213 Kent Dorfman

Glenn Beck is loving all this attention. On all sorts of talk show this morning. Hey, an analog clock is right twice a day.

Hey, was just thinking about you. I miss your daily stock market updates! Now that the market has regained most of what it lost, you are no longer posting them. I wonder why.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:29:18am

re: #210 bratwurst

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Translation: I liked Trump better when his attacks were against someone I also dislike.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:29:48am

re: #218 FormerDirtDart

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The Romneybot is not programmed to admit mistakes.

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ObserverArt  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:30:22am

re: #179 Eric The Fruit Bat

….Yet.

I always like the “he’s not Hitler” comments.

I’d ask if someone (Dark if he likes) can tell me the exact time in history Hitler became The Evil Murderous Hitler and not just Hitler.

Was it 1919 after WW1 and he got into politics and joined the Workers Party?

Was it 1924 when he got out of jail and started to get some notice for his politics about how Germany was stepped on by the war?

Was it in 1933 when he and his party grew large enough to be Chancellor and he started to let it be known the Jews were not wanted in Germany and they and others would be forced out.

Or was it in 1939 when he invaded Poland for all intents beginning WW2?

Or was it after WW2 when it became very clear just how evil murderous he was?

As far as I can tell…he was Hitler all along but he needed the care and feeding of others that allowed for him to get out of control.

Where is Trump if we overlay similar timelines? Would he at least be Hitler say 1930 or so when he was getting political recognition and building the numbers to get a national presence and office?

He has got to be at least a little bit Hitler. I just hope people realize Hitler built up to be the Hitler we all know after the fact. And with a little actual historical knowledge we can see that slow building in TRUMP. Let’s hope we are all smart enough to not learn the real hard lessons after the fact again.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:30:56am

re: #213 Kent Dorfman

Glenn Beck is loving all this attention. On all sorts of talk show this morning. Hey, an analog clock is right twice a day.

That can only be guaranteed if it’s stopped…

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Ming5000  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:31:16am

re: #190 MsJ

People didn’t think Hitler was “Hitler”. Until he was.

And some people don’t think Hitler was “Hitler” even now.

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Kent Dorfman  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:31:55am

re: #217 bratwurst

Good news doesn’t make the front page. Markets go up, markets go down. One thing is for certain, after the horses get out of the barn, everyone is an expert on how they got out. The trick is to know before.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:32:28am

I’ll remind people also that Mitt loved loved Ted Nugent who told the President to suck his gun too. Really, this isn’t over “conservative principles” or Trump’s bigotry with Mitt. It’s that Trump is a threat to the good old boy network that runs the Republican Party not genuine upset with the bigotry. Look at the polls. Republican voters agree with Trump saying we should not allow all immigrants in. Steve King who made the infamous cantaloupe legs comment is a Cruz backer not a Trump one. If Donald Trump were to be shot into the moon tonight, the GOP would still have a big problem with bigotry. It was there before Trump sought the nomination and it’s going to be there for the foresseable future.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:32:39am

re: #222 Ming5000

And some people don’t think Hitler was “Hitler” even now.

Holocaust denial is very big with anti-semites.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:33:10am

re: #220 ObserverArt

I always like the “he’s not Hitler” comments.

I’d ask if someone (Dark if he likes) can tell me the exact time in history Hitler became The Evil Murderous Hitler and not just Hitler.

Was it 1919 after WW1 and he got into politics and joined the Workers Party?

Was it 1924 when he got out of jail and started to get some notice for his politics about how Germany was stepped on by the war?

Was it in 1933 when he and his party grew large enough to be Chancellor and he started to let it be known the Jews were not wanted in Germany and they and others would be forced out.

Or was it in 1939 when he invaded Poland for all intents beginning WW2?

Or was it after WW2 when it became very clear just how evil murderous he was?

As far as I can tell…he was Hitler all along but he needed the care and feeding of others that allowed for him to get out of control.

Where is Trump if we overlay similar timelines? Would he at least be Hitler say 1930 or so when he was getting political recognition and building the numbers to get a national presence and office?

He has got to be at least a little bit Hitler. I just hope people realize Hitler built up to be the Hitler we all know after the fact. And with a little actual historical knowledge we can see that slow building in TRUMP. Let’s hope we are all smart enough to not learn the real hard lessons after the fact again.

Don’t forget 1922 when he led an armed coup attempting to overthrow the government but yes. so much this.
1923- my mistake

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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:33:15am

re: #202 Big Beautiful Door

Yes, I’m afraid that Cruz would have us in a war in the Middle East pretty quickly. He is a rigid ideologue, so we know the terrible things he wants to do. Trump might do something right by accident.

If there is domestic problems there is a constant temptation to start something in the foreign side as a means of rallying the nation via nationalistic rhetoric. Or at the very least you can then start calling your opponents “traitors” for not backing you.

“What this country needs is a short, victorious war to stem the tide of revolution.”
- Vyacheslav von Plehve in reference to the Russo-Japanese War

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MsJ  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:34:14am

re: #220 ObserverArt

+100!

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:36:43am

re: #220 ObserverArt

I always like the “he’s not Hitler” comments.

I’d ask if someone (Dark if he likes) can tell me the exact time in history Hitler became The Evil Murderous Hitler and not just Hitler.

Was it 1919 after WW1 and he got into politics and joined the Workers Party?

Was it 1924 when he got out of jail and started to get some notice for his politics about how Germany was stepped on by the war?

Was it in 1933 when he and his party grew large enough to be Chancellor and he started to let it be known the Jews were not wanted in Germany and they and others would be forced out.

Or was it in 1939 when he invaded Poland for all intents beginning WW2?

Or was it after WW2 when it became very clear just how evil murderous he was?

As far as I can tell…he was Hitler all along but he needed the care and feeding of others that allowed for him to get out of control.

Where is Trump if we overlay similar timelines? Would he at least be Hitler say 1930 or so when he was getting political recognition and building the numbers to get a national presence and office?

He has got to be at least a little bit Hitler. I just hope people realize Hitler built up to be the Hitler we all know after the fact. And with a little actual historical knowledge we can see that slow building in TRUMP. Let’s hope we are all smart enough to not learn the real hard lessons after the fact again.

1923, when he tried to overthrow Germany’s democratically elected government.

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ObserverArt  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:42:01am

re: #210 bratwurst

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Translation: I liked Trump better when his attacks were against someone I also dislike.

I caught a bit of Mittens on Meet The Idiots Of Our Press.

What a pandering smug asshole. He is never wrong and has an excuse for everything. He is just another Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:43:05am

re: #230 ObserverArt

I caught a bit of Mittens on Meet The Idiots Of Our Press.

What a pandering smug asshole. He is never wrong and has an excuse for everything. He is just another Trump.

He is Trump if Trump bothered to take a class in pretending to have class. Make not mistake Romnety has a lot more in common with Turmp than he doesn’t. Kris Kobach for one.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:46:15am

BREAKING: Former First Lady Nancy Reagan dies, age 94.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:48:09am

re: #232 Eric The Fruit Bat

BREAKING: Former First Lady Nancy Reagan dies, age 94.

Condolences to her family and other loved ones.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:48:20am

My life observations have been that people tend to cluster, and watch shit burn to the ground

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Kent Dorfman  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:48:44am
I needs a nap

On Drudge report now

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Bass Reeves  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:49:40am

re: #229 Dark_Falcon

Why Cruz? Is it just as an anti-Drumpf, or do you feel his policy proposals benefit you? Totally curious, no down-ding or snark coming your way from me.

In general with Republican candidates, I know I’m not going to vote already because of social issues, but Cruz bothers me a lot with his FP rhetoric.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:50:10am

Yeah, I guess the strain of screaming at the TV “You’re nothing like my Ronny” got to be to much…

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Amory Blaine  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:50:55am

Cruz will try to get in the coffin with her.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:51:03am

re: #234 FormerDirtDart

My life observations have been that people tend to cluster, and watch shit burn to the ground

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Keep on telling youself that John and not the fact that Rubio is about as inspiring as bologna.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:52:37am

re: #232 Eric The Fruit Bat

BREAKING: Former First Lady Nancy Reagan dies, age 94.

And the question of the day: Which Republican will best use the occasion of her passing to set himself up as ‘Reagan’s Heir’?

I know that’s bit cynical, but its also what I feel is certain to happen.

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lawhawk  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:53:09am

RIP.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:53:15am

re: #239 HappyWarrior

Keep on telling youself that John and not the fact that Rubio is about as inspiring as bologna.

Hey, I’ve had some tasty bologna. Lil’ Marco is more like discount american cheese product

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:53:42am

re: #236 Bass Reeves

Anti-Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:54:39am

re: #242 FormerDirtDart

Hey, I’ve had some tasty bologna. Lil’ Marco is more like discount american cheese product

True, good point.

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lawhawk  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:55:21am

re: #240 Dark_Falcon

And the question of the day: Which Republican will best use the occasion of her passing to set himself up as ‘Reagan’s Heir’?

I know that’s bit cynical, but its also what I feel is certain to happen.

It will most certainly happen. If not this week, then in the next month. All these GOP opportunists and extremists will attempt to claim the mantle of Reagan, even though every last one of them is so far to the right of Reagan, that if Reagan himself were alive and running today, he’d be cast aside as a RINO.

Heck, Jeb or even George W would be RINOs with the current GOP.

That in and of itself should be telling you how far off the rails the GOP has gone.

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Jenner7  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:55:22am

RIP Nancy Reagan.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:55:30am

re: #240 Dark_Falcon

And the question of the day: Which Republican will best use the occasion of her passing to set himself up as ‘Reagan’s Heir’?

The one in the GOP who is the most presidential won’t.

In other words-none of them.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:57:31am

re: #240 Dark_Falcon

And the question of the day: Which Republican will best use the occasion of her passing to set himself up as ‘Reagan’s Heir’?

I know that’s bit cynical, but its also what I feel is certain to happen.

My money’s on Cruz.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:57:55am

re: #248 Big Beautiful Door

My money’s on Cruz.

Good bet, that’s mine too.

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ObserverArt  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:58:17am

re: #229 Dark_Falcon

1923, when he tried to overthrow Germany’s democratically elected government.

Well, isn’t TRUMP selling himself in much the same way right now, as in trying to overthrow American politics as we know it?

He says our government sucks, all weaklings and yes men. Our economy sucks because of brown and yellow people enabled by our weaklings. That is a call to overturn how we do government selection and how that fits into changing America. That is very Hitler in basic rhetoric.

Trump is basically saying we need him and only him to fix this country. No one else is capable. He would love nothing more than to be a dictator.

Many times he already acts like his numbers make him president. He would love nothing more than for Americans to lash out and call for him to be President right now. Screw this process.

And if the current Republican process of finding a candidate gets blown up in Cleveland and his backers get nasty and he comes out the candidate he will definitely have overthrown at least one of our parties.

And should the fool make it to the national elections and he gets dumped in a close race, is anyone prepared at this time to say his followers won’t turn into very real group of zealots that will want the election overturned or ignored? That would be an overturn of the government.

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jaunte  Mar 6, 2016 • 9:00:31am

Condolences to Mrs. Reagan’s family and friends.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 6, 2016 • 9:06:21am
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Barefoot Grin  Mar 6, 2016 • 9:08:58am

re: #252 FormerDirtDart

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My first thought was Trump, but it applies just as well to Cruz.

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CuriousLurker  Mar 6, 2016 • 9:12:38am

re: #203 HappyWarrior

You could quite honestly replace Hitler’s name with Trump and Anti-Semitic with Anti-Muslim. As I got at, Anti-Muslim prejudice is accepted and commonplace in the party whose nomination Trump is attempting to get.

Last night I watched a documentary about Sacco & Vanzetti and the anti-Italian bigotry & scare mongering at the time were every bit as vicious as the antisemitism that’s been around for millennia & the current Islamophobia. An illustrated example likening immigrants to filthy, violent rats:

Anti-immigrant bigotry, Judge (magazine) 1903.

Oh look, this one even has a wall (attempting) to keep out the waves of evil immigrants pouring into our beloved country, intent on destroying “our” institutions and way of life. Sound familiar 113 years later?

More anti-immigrant bigotry, Judge (magazine) 1903. NotE that it’s the same artist as above, one Louis Dalrymple who also did work for Puck (magazine). More of his work via Google Images, if you have the stomach for it.

Of course there was also the anti-Catholic/Irish bigotry. I’m not even gonna touch the anti-black bigotry & racism (along with countless others).

Anti-Irish/Catholic cartoon by Thomas Nast

MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!11!

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Schroedinger's Dog  Mar 6, 2016 • 9:15:30am

re: #250 ObserverArt

Well, isn’t TRUMP selling himself in much the same way right now, as in trying to overthrow American politics as we know it?

He says our government sucks, all weaklings and yes men. Our economy sucks because of brown and yellow people enabled by our weaklings. That is a call to overturn how we do government selection and how that fits into changing America. That is very Hitler in basic rhetoric.

Trump is basically saying we need him and only him to fix this country. No one else is capable. He would love nothing more than to be a dictator.

Many times he already acts like his numbers make him president. He would love nothing more than for Americans to lash out and call for him to be President right now. Screw this process.

And if the current Republican process of finding a candidate gets blown up in Cleveland and his backers get nasty and he comes out the candidate he will definitely have overthrown at least one of our parties.

And should the fool make it to the national elections and he gets dumped in a close race, is anyone prepared at this time to say his followers won’t turn into very real group of zealots that will want the election overturned or ignored? That would be an overturn of the government.

W publicly stated a wistful desire for the same thing, a desire to be the “decider”, a dictator, when things didn’t go his way, when pesky reality got in the way of truthy expedience.

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jaunte  Mar 6, 2016 • 9:15:42am

re: #254 CuriousLurker

Swarthy, mustachioed boarders with knives grasped in their teeth!

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CuriousLurker  Mar 6, 2016 • 9:17:14am

re: #240 Dark_Falcon

And the question of the day: Which Republican will best use the occasion of her passing to set himself up as ‘Reagan’s Heir’?

I know that’s bit cynical, but its also what I feel is certain to happen.

Wingnuts will scream her passing (R.I.P.) is somehow Obama’s fault in 5… 4… 3…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 9:20:06am

re: #254 CuriousLurker

Last night I watched a documentary about Sacco & Vanzetti and the anti-Italian bigotry & scare mongering at the time were every bit as vicious as the antisemitism that’s been around for millennia & the current Islamophobia. An illustrated example likening immigrants to filthy, violent rats:

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MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!11!

Terrible stuff. It really is unfortunate that as times change, the tools of prejudice do not.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 6, 2016 • 9:20:07am

re: #240 Dark_Falcon

And the question of the day: Which Republican will best use the occasion of her passing to set himself up as ‘Reagan’s Heir’?

I know that’s bit cynical, but its also what I feel is certain to happen.

Sister Sarah will certainly attempt it.

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Archangelus  Mar 6, 2016 • 9:21:23am

re: #257 CuriousLurker

Wingnuts will scream her passing (R.I.P.) is somehow Obama’s fault in 5… 4… 3…

…0:
Rawstory: Rush Limbaugh - “Cruz is just like Reagan ‘He’s a likable guy!’”

Making a rare appearance on a show not his own, Rush Limbaugh joined Fox News on Sunday morning to make a pitch for surging GOP presidential candidate Ted Cruz, insisting to a skeptical Chris Wallace that Cruz is “likable.”

Noting that Limbaugh had previously said Cruz is “the closest we’re going to come to Ronald Reagan in out lifetime,” Wallace grimaced before adding, “Now, I didn’t know Ronald Reagan as well as you did, but I did cover him for eight years as president. I’ve got to say that I felt that Reagan was more inclusive than Cruz is. More about trying to soften the edges to get more people inside the tent.”

“He’s just in a different league, he understands conservatives, uh, conservatism because he is,” Limbaugh insisted. “And he is a nice guy, he’s a likable guy. He’s not crazy, he’s not nasty, he’s certainly not a liar. He’s a down the middle guy that anybody can trust, with plenty of integrity.”

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 6, 2016 • 9:22:15am

re: #237 FormerDirtDart

RIP Mrs Nancy Reagan.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 9:22:31am

re: #260 Archangelus

…0:
Rawstory: Rush Limbaugh - “Cruz is just like Reagan ‘He’s a likable guy!’”

Likable and Ted Cruz don’t belong in the same sentence.

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ObserverArt  Mar 6, 2016 • 9:24:34am

re: #257 CuriousLurker

Wingnuts will scream her passing (R.I.P.) is somehow Obama’s fault in 5… 4… 3…

Scalia. Nancy Reagan. It would be wrong not to speculate. Who will be next? And how long before he takes our guns.

Wait…I don’t have a gun. When will they take me for not having a gun?!?! I suppose if Trump is elected the government might be giving me one. /

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Archangelus  Mar 6, 2016 • 9:24:47am

re: #262 HappyWarrior

Likable and Ted Cruz don’t belong in the same sentence.

Agreed.

Also, to my surprise, it seems the timing on that exchange was just before the announcement.

Sooo Limbaugh compares Cruz to Reagan and Nancy dies right afterwards. Congratulations Rush, you just killed the poor woman. ///

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Nyet  Mar 6, 2016 • 9:25:37am

Dunno if this has already been remarked on, but did Chuck’s wesearchr steal the logo from 538?

mobile.twitter.com

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Archangelus  Mar 6, 2016 • 9:27:20am

re: #265 Nyet

Dunno if this has already been remarked on, but did Chuck’s wesearchr steal the logo from 538?

mobile.twitter.com

Yup. Though come on, you’re not seriously surprised, are you?

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lawhawk  Mar 6, 2016 • 9:27:42am

re: #265 Nyet

Not quite. They’re similar, but not the same:

twitter.com

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ObserverArt  Mar 6, 2016 • 9:28:44am

re: #265 Nyet

Dunno if this has already been remarked on, but did Chuck’s wesearchr steal the logo from 538?

mobile.twitter.com

It’s an ‘homage’ to great design!

Steal? Pfffft.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 6, 2016 • 9:29:26am

re: #267 lawhawk

wesearchr’s nose is more punchable. Somewhat surprised they didn’t have him smoking a cigarette and wearing a hat.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 6, 2016 • 9:30:13am

re: #250 ObserverArt

There’s a crucial difference between trying to overturn current political hierarchies within the two major parties via the elector process and trying to overthrow the government itself by force. Trump has not tried or threatened to do that latter.

And that’s as far as I’m prepared to go on this topic. I’m not interested in defending Donald Trump.

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Nyet  Mar 6, 2016 • 9:30:50am

re: #267 lawhawk

Not quite. They’re similar, but not the same:

twitter.com

I didn’t say they were the same. If they are similar to the point of the similarity being misleading, that’s also stealing.

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ObserverArt  Mar 6, 2016 • 9:34:12am

re: #270 Dark_Falcon

There’s a crucial difference between trying to overturn current political hierarchies within the two major parties via the elector process and trying to overthrow the government itself by force. Trump has not tried or threatened to do that latter.

And that’s as far as I’m prepared to go on this topic. I’m not interested in defending Donald Trump.

Then we shall revisit this at a later date…when you might well be interested in defending TRUMP!

(Heheheee)

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lawhawk  Mar 6, 2016 • 9:34:20am

re: #271 Nyet

Fair enough. In any event, that Chucky’s using that account is also a TOS violation, so that should hopefully end up suspended permanently soon enough.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 6, 2016 • 9:37:28am

re: #272 ObserverArt

SMACK!

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No Depression  Mar 6, 2016 • 9:40:15am

re: #260 Archangelus

…0:
Rawstory: Rush Limbaugh - “Cruz is just like Reagan ‘He’s a likable guy!’”

Did El Rushbo have a relapse or something? /

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 6, 2016 • 9:41:10am

re: #269 Eric The Fruit Bat

wesearchr’s nose is more punchable.

Bad thing to say online. If you ever do punch someone out, then your prior writing about punching people could be used by a prosecutor to make the case that you have violent tendencies and planned to hurt that other person beforehand.

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CuriousLurker  Mar 6, 2016 • 9:42:13am

re: #254 CuriousLurker

While I’m on the subject I did a page on this subject during my first six months at LGF, based on an article published by the Smithsonian:

America’s True History of Religious Tolerance

Philadelphia’s Bible Riots of 1844 reflected a strain of anti-Catholic bias and hostility that coursed through 19th-century America. (Granger Collection, New York)

For the history buffs among you, here’s a PDF about the riots courtesy of the Historical Society of Pennsylvania:

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 6, 2016 • 9:54:52am

re: #277 CuriousLurker

I found out about this when I went to La Salle University. One of my instructors gave a lecture on this event and others. Thanks for the pdf.

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CuriousLurker  Mar 6, 2016 • 9:58:12am

re: #278 PhillyPretzel

I found out about this when I went to La Salle University. One of my instructors gave a lecture on this event and others. Thanks for the pdf.

You’re welcome. I enjoyed the PDF—it was informative, well written and not too long.

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bratwurst  Mar 6, 2016 • 10:04:40am

This is the man who will soon be the GOP standard bearer.

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CuriousLurker  Mar 6, 2016 • 10:05:27am

BTW, I watched the Sacco and Vanzetti documentary on Amazon for free last night, but it’s apparently also on YouTube.

One of the people in the film mentioned that the anti-latest-wave-of-immigrants is a perennial problem for the U.S. precisely because we’re a nation of immigrants that’s constantly changing and redefining itself based on new ethnic groups that enter.

(A.H.F) Nicola Sacco an Bartolomeo Vanzetti

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CuriousLurker  Mar 6, 2016 • 10:10:14am

re: #280 bratwurst

I posted a link upthread to an article in the NYT and in it they said that he refused to run for governor of New York in 2013 because state Republicans wouldn’t promise him that he would run uncontested. Typical bully—a coward at heart.

The ego, ugh. It’s ginormous, but also as fragile as glass.

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Jay C  Mar 6, 2016 • 10:12:27am

re: #254 CuriousLurker

I’m guessing the shade of William McKinley up there in the LH corner (pointing bewilderedly at Uncle Sam) is meant to connect his assassination with immigration somehow (?): even though the anarchist who shot him, Leon Czolgosz was, in fact: a US citizen . Though he’d probably be dismissed as an “anchor baby” by today’s GOP….

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 6, 2016 • 10:12:32am

re: #273 lawhawk

Don’t think that’ll happen until that account starts showing bad behaviors-I bet Dickinson has set up a portal for le Furby au Rage to log into so his home’s IP doesn’t show up when he uses the account to tweet.

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Skip Intro  Mar 6, 2016 • 10:14:28am

re: #260 Archangelus

…0:
Rawstory: Rush Limbaugh - “Cruz is just like Reagan ‘He’s a likable guy!’”

Limbaugh didn’t know Reagan. He didn’t even vote for him, because back then he didn’t vote at all.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 6, 2016 • 10:16:51am

re: #276 Dark_Falcon

Huge difference between saying a company’s logo’s icon is punchable than the propreitor’s faces are punchable - which I never stated.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2016 • 10:17:24am

re: #283 Jay C

I’m guessing the shade of William McKinley up there in the LH corner (pointing bewilderedly at Uncle Sam) is meant to connect his assassination with immigration somehow (?): even though the anarchist who shot him, Leon Czolgosz was, in fact: a US citizen . Though he’d probably be dismissed as an “anchor baby” by today’s GOP….

I particularly noticed McKinley throwing a gang sign…

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JDRhoades  Mar 6, 2016 • 10:18:11am

re: #160 Dark_Falcon

When everyone is Hitler, then no one is Hitler.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 6, 2016 • 10:18:44am

There’s a conspiracy around every corner, behind every door, under every bed and inside every toilet bowl…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 10:26:05am

re: #289 FormerDirtDart

There’s a conspiracy around every corner, behind every door, under every bed and inside every toilet bowl…

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Hahahha.

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Jay C  Mar 6, 2016 • 10:27:34am

re: #287 Backwoods_Sleuth

I particularly noticed McKinley throwing a gang sign…

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Yep. The notorious Ohio Kings: an infamous RICO of the time, notable for their criminal influence on national politics….

😜

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Dr. Matt  Mar 6, 2016 • 10:28:09am

re: #265 Nyet

Dunno if this has already been remarked on, but did Chuck’s wesearchr steal the logo from 538?

mobile.twitter.com

Yup: littlegreenfootballs.com

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Dr. Matt  Mar 6, 2016 • 10:29:21am

re: #288 JDRhoades

When everyone is Hitler, then no one is Hitler.

When everyone is Trump, then we’re Idiocracy.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 6, 2016 • 10:32:24am

re: #292 Dr. Matt

Yup: littlegreenfootballs.com

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FiveThirtyEight is a Fox, Wesearcher appears to be a chihuahua (fittingly)

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bratwurst  Mar 6, 2016 • 10:34:16am

I am all about being respectful toward Mrs. Reagan today and extending condolences to her family and friends.

Having said that, DO NOT try to tell me how vital her efforts were in combating drug abuse, today or any day. Wolf Blitzer just went there.

If you can’t think of something nice to say about Nancy without flat out lying, that is a problem.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 6, 2016 • 10:34:54am

Fox’s Chris Wallace grills Romney: Is Trump your fault for ‘legitimizing’ his birther campaign in 2012?

Fox “News” host Chris Wallace confronted former Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney on Sunday over whether his “legitimizing” of Donald Trump in 2012 had elevated the status of the billionaire candidate to front-runner in 2016.

Although Romney blasted Trump last week as a “fraud,” Wallace pointed out that the former nominee “had a very different view of him four years ago when he endorsed you.”

“Sixty-one million people voted for me,” Romney replied. “I don’t think all 61 million ought to be president of the United States.”

If Clinton or Obama made such a comment, the shit storm from the media and the right would be 20 feet deep. e.g., ELITIST!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 10:35:55am

re: #296 Dr. Matt

Fox’s Chris Wallace grills Romney: Is Trump your fault for ‘legitimizing’ his birther campaign in 2012?

If Clinton or Obama made such a comment, the shit storm from the media and the right would be 20 feet deep. e.g., ELITIST!!!!

Romney really is a pathetic hack and is showing the deep shallowness of NotTrump for what it really is.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 6, 2016 • 10:37:21am

re: #295 bratwurst

I am all about being respectful toward Mrs. Reagan today and extending condolences to her family and friends.

Having said that, DO NOT try to tell me how vital her efforts were in combating drug abuse, today or any day. Wolf Blitzer just went there.

If you can’t think of something nice to say about Nancy without flat out lying, that is a problem.

Someone on WTOP or CBS News was talking about how she was the classiest First Lady eva!

Right:

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 6, 2016 • 10:37:40am

re: #149 HappyWarrior

Trump’s Muslim immigration policy has large approval. So again I stick with my opinion that Trump is not the illness but a symptom.

Yep. Trump is just grooving on Republican popular opinion which is rooted in bigotry and hatred of “others”. He’s just a more plausible face than David Duke on Republican supporters’ White Supremacist sentiments.

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The Ghost of Bork Bork Bork Bork  Mar 6, 2016 • 10:40:03am

Ah yes, Ted Cruz.

The guy who promised to build Trump’s wall.
And talks about carpet bombing the Middle East.

But also burned several billion dollars shutting down government over an ideological tantrum about a legal act, on the basis of a fraudulent video.

And he wants a flat tax!

And he’s super religious and talks about how that should be a part of governing!

If Trump is Hitler…which he isn’t, beyond the vague connection of populist rhetoric and a base of angry people willing to accept simple answers, which as a set far larger than “Hitler”…then what’s Ted Cruz?

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ObserverArt  Mar 6, 2016 • 10:40:44am

re: #296 Dr. Matt

Fox’s Chris Wallace grills Romney: Is Trump your fault for ‘legitimizing’ his birther campaign in 2012?

If Clinton or Obama made such a comment, the shit storm from the media and the right would be 20 feet deep. e.g., ELITIST!!!!

I wonder if Mitt is beginning to regret trying to take down Trump. He probably thought he’d be the hero and it would put a winner feather back in his political cap. Mitt…you may have miscalculated your importance…again.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 10:40:58am

re: #300 The Ghost of Bork Bork Bork Bork

Ah yes, Ted Cruz.

The guy who promised to build Trump’s wall.
And talks about carpet bombing the Middle East.

But also burned several billion dollars shutting down government over an ideological tantrum about a legal act, on the basis of a fraudulent video.

And he wants a flat tax!

And he’s super religious and talks about how that should be a part of governing!

If Trump is Hitler…which he isn’t, beyond the vague connection of populist rhetoric and a base of angry people willing to accept simple answers, which as a set far larger than “Hitler”…then what’s Ted Cruz?

Ted Cruz is something worse, he’s himself which combines a lot of the worst attributes that other people have with his own personal sense of entitlement.

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Amory Blaine  Mar 6, 2016 • 10:43:26am
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Patricia Kayden  Mar 6, 2016 • 10:44:26am

re: #194 HappyWarrior

Cruz honestly in some ways is worse than Trump. I mean fuck Trump man but Cruz has a lot of terrible things going his way too.

Thank you. I don’t think it would be very difficult for Secretary Clinton to destroy either Cruz or Trump with political ads in the general election since Cruz is no better than Trump when it comes to holding extreme positions.

salon.com

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blueraven  Mar 6, 2016 • 10:45:57am

Oh those pesky poor voters!

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 10:46:45am

re: #304 Patricia Kayden

Thank you. I don’t think it would be very difficult for Secretary Clinton to destroy either Cruz or Trump with political ads in the general election since Cruz is no better than Trump when it comes to holding extreme positions.

salon.com

But that’s just as true of Cruz or Rubio, and in some cases, they are arguably worse.

Trump retweets racist propaganda. Both Cruz and Rubio have backed legislation designed specifically to make it harder for people of color to vote.
This is a good example. Amanda’s use of the health care is good too.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 6, 2016 • 10:47:29am

re: #298 Timothy Watson

I didn’t care for her politics but I hope she RIP along with her husband. In my opinion, the two classiest First Ladies are Michelle Obama and Jacqueline Kennedy. But I understand why Conservatives love Mrs. Reagan. She was outspoken about drugs (even if in an unhelpful manner) and appeared to love and support her husband very much.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 10:48:49am

re: #305 blueraven

Oh those pesky poor voters!

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And yet another why NRO is best described as National Racists Online or National Reactionaries Online. What’s the matter Kevin? Afraid of the people seeing what a sham your party and ideology really are and voting them out of power? What a fucking load of shit. No, it shouldn’t be harder to vote. Making it harder to vote doesn’t make smarter voters, it makes pissed off voters.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 6, 2016 • 10:48:52am

re: #305 blueraven

Oh those pesky poor voters!

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Why doesn’t Williamson just come out and say that he doesn’t want minority voters or single women to vote? That’s pretty much the Republican Party line anyways. They really are anti-democratic, aren’t they?

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TedStriker  Mar 6, 2016 • 10:51:30am

re: #298 Timothy Watson

Someone on WTOP or CBS News was talking about how she was the classiest First Lady eva!

Right:

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Hey, you lay off Mr. T!

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Dr. Matt  Mar 6, 2016 • 10:51:42am

re: #153 MsJ

There were signs just like that at a voting place a few days ago except it was blue and white. The negative white space was a swastika. It took me a while to see it I. Was. Floored. It’s in a thread here from Tuesday or Wednesday. I’m on my phone but let me look.

I wonder if someone took that concept and made it into their own custom bumper sticker?

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ObserverArt  Mar 6, 2016 • 10:51:47am

When it comes to commenting on Nancy Reagan today, I’m just going to say no.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 6, 2016 • 10:54:14am

re: #303 Amory Blaine

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thedopefishlives  Mar 6, 2016 • 10:54:20am

Afternoon Lizardim.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 6, 2016 • 10:55:32am

re: #312 ObserverArt

When it comes to commenting on any Nancy Reagan today, I’m just going to say no.

Her husband was a raging asshole who bred a generation of raging assholes. She had bad taste in men, but I never had ill will towards her. As someone said on twitter, she was crazy but harmless. RIP Nancy

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 6, 2016 • 10:59:30am

Yesterday I read a book about Italian Jews during the Holocaust. They were very assimilated and patriotic Italians, and they were certain Il Duce wouldn’t treat them the same way the Jews in Germany were being treated because they were Italians dammit!

Then the Blackshirts swooped down and collected them all in one night.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:01:01am

re: #312 ObserverArt

When it comes to commenting on Nancy Reagan today, I’m just going to say no.

I was going to bite my tongue too but that comment on the radio pissed me off. It was completely bizarre (had the person never heard of Jacqueline Kennedy?) and was just another way to insult Michelle Obama, which conservatives have been doing for almost a decade now.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:03:22am

Never really had an opinion on Nancy. Her husband is far from my favorite person in American political history but I think she was well meaning though I think the Just Say No really dumbed down the reality.of what was going on and the astrology stuff was weird but I don’t think she was a particularly bad person or an enabler of it like her husband was.

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Mattand  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:03:35am

re: #305 blueraven

Oh those pesky poor voters!

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I’m seriously thinking about favoriting this post, only because the next time DF defends National Review, it’ll be a good demo of how fucked up their thinking is.

And National Review is supposed to be the intellectual arm of the GOP fever swamp.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:04:12am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:05:16am

re: #319 Mattand

I’m seriously thinking about favoriting this post, only because the next time DF defends National Review, it’ll be a good demo of how fucked up their thinking is.

And National Review is supposed to be the intellectual arm of the GOP fever swamp.

We;ll I don’t see any contradiction of that. This is more of what we’re used to from NRO. The Trump wing of the right thinks they’re better than you because they’re white. NRO Thinks they’re better than you because they’re white and rich and supposedly more smart too. Not disagreeing with you. Just saying that this is par the course of NRO’s faux-intellectual bullshit.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:05:22am

re: #320 Backwoods_Sleuth

That photo speaks volumes. RIP Nancy.

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:06:11am

re: #69 Charles Johnson

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:06:26am

re: #320 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That’s a nice photo. Her children and grandchildren can take solace in knowing that she lived a long and happy life. I hope and trust that her final moments were peaceful.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:06:52am

re: #323 Ace-o-aces

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An Enoch Powell fan eh.

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:08:30am

re: #265 Nyet

Dunno if this has already been remarked on, but did Chuck’s wesearchr steal the logo from 538?

mobile.twitter.com

Why not, he stole the Gotnews logo from the video game “Portal”.

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:09:12am

re: #325 HappyWarrior

An Enoch Powell fan eh.

Not

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:10:39am

PPP poll of Kentucky democrats:

(Joe has more of the poll in his TL)

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danarchy  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:10:44am

re: #292 Dr. Matt

Yup: littlegreenfootballs.com

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They are both stylized fox cartoons. Other than that they don’t seem particularly similar to me. If you do an image search for fox logos you’ll see lots of different fox faces. This is also interesting:

emblemetric.com

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:10:55am

re: #327 Ace-o-aces

Not

Well his handle is Enoch was right. I didn’t see any rivers of blood when I was in England two summers ago. My cousin did treat me to a delicious Middle Eastern meal though on the Thames accompanied by her little boy and the little girl who she was babysitting who was Muslim.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:11:31am

re: #323 Ace-o-aces

WTF is a “racial realist”?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:11:40am

re: #328 Backwoods_Sleuth

PPP poll of Kentucky democrats:

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(Joe has more of the poll in his TL)

I can believe that unfortunately. Not the sentiment of course but that a good amount of KY Democrats believe that.

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gwangung  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:11:43am

re: #320 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I think both of them are far more gracious than a lot of their supporters….

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gwangung  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:12:07am

re: #331 Dr. Matt

WTF is a “racial realist”?

Politically correct speak for white supremacist.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:12:27am

re: #331 Dr. Matt

WTF is a “racial realist”?

A racist by another name.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:12:27am

SMH…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:12:55am

re: #334 gwangung

Politically correct speak for white supremacist.

Yes.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:13:14am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:13:20am

re: #336 Backwoods_Sleuth

SMH…

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Jim Webb, my former asshole senator said he would. Sigh.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:14:30am

re: #331 Dr. Matt

WTF is a “racial realist”?

Short version: Take the “al reali” out of the middle.

Long version: Someone who believes that hating non-whites is justified by crime statistics and media stories about bad black people. See also: Confirmation Bias.

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Jay C  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:14:46am

re: #331 Dr. Matt

WTF is a “racial realist”?

A racist with a slick(er) line of “rationale”

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ObserverArt  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:16:20am

re: #317 Timothy Watson

I was going to bite my tongue too but that comment on the radio pissed me off. It was completely bizarre (had the person never heard of Jacqueline Kennedy?) and was just another way to insult Michelle Obama, which conservatives have been doing for almost a decade now.

(RWNJ_comment_mode_on)

Jackie Kennedy? You’re a damn liberal ain’t you???

She was as evil and bad as Hillary. She just was prettier. They are all the same taking your money just like all damn liberals! And they can’t take care of their men, what with both of their husbands out cattin’ around at all hours and with who knows who! I’ve got nothing good to say about any of them. If you are a liberal I just hates you because. They are all monkeys, all liberals, hell they believe in that coming from monkeys stuff…so it is not just Obama. So, don’t tell me I am being a racist when I call Moochelle an ape.

I ain’t no damn ape. I’m a Tea Partyin’ Conservative Republic Independent that loves the Constitution ‘except not all of it!

(RWNJ_comment_mode_off)

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:17:33am

Remember when we had real class in the White House?

I’m not Tweeting this picture. Today.

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SoundGuy 2016  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:17:34am

racial realist = hipster racist

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:19:28am

re: #331 Dr. Matt

WTF is a “racial realist”?

A racist.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:19:45am

re: #344 SoundGuy 2016

racial realist = hipster racist

The two racists should not mix unless it’s to be ironic. I always laugh when racists like Duke tell me that I should worry about what my grandchildren may look like. It’s like fuck you dude, people like you were shitting on my family because we weren’t Anglo-Saxon or Protestant and thus “really not white”. And besides my niece is beautiful.

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Belafon  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:20:33am

re: #331 Dr. Matt

WTF is a “racial realist”?

You know how using longer and more words supposedly makes you seem smarter?

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:20:44am

re: #331 Dr. Matt

WTF is a “racial realist”?

Racists who have read “The Bell Curve” and use it to validate their racism.

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SoundGuy 2016  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:22:08am

I love this place.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:22:21am
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ObserverArt  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:22:22am

re: #345 Big Beautiful Door

A racist.

Can we add realists mean “admitted?”

Therefore a racial realist is an admitted racist.

Hey, they are being real about it.

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SoundGuy 2016  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:24:28am

racial realist - ‘No, but, seriously’ racist

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:25:23am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:26:26am

re: #353 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Heh I remember when they wanted to waive the birth requirement to allow Arnold to run.

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Alephnaught  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:31:27am

re: #320 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That’s an incredible image, especially with the painting in the background. Is this one of Pete Souza’s photos? I really do like his style.

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jaunte  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:33:26am
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Dr. Matt  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:35:00am
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jaunte  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:36:59am

re: #357 Dr. Matt

“That’s not the Precious, it’s a tonsillolith.”

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Dr. Matt  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:40:35am

Super PAC Spends $2 Million To Take Down Donald Trump

It’s pretty pathetic that so much money and time is being spent to stop someone that is so completely unqualified for the Presidency. This is a clear sign that GOP should never be trusted ever again. Sadly, the American public has a very short memory.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:41:14am

re: #355 Alephnaught

That’s an incredible image, especially with the painting in the background. Is this one of Pete Souza’s photos? I really do like his style.

Yes, it’s a Souza photo.

Washington, DC - June 2, 2009 — United States President Barack Obama and former First Lady Nancy Reagan walk side-by-side through Center Hall in the White House, June 2, 2009. To the left of Mrs. Reagan hangs her official White House portrait as First Lady. , MANDATORY CREDIT: Pete Souza/White House/-cnp-photolink.net

imagecollect.com

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Belafon  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:41:20am

re: #356 jaunte

Looking at noturbone’s timeline, I suspect he’s a disgruntled Rand follower. Not excusing anything.

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blueraven  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:48:27am
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ObserverArt  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:49:45am

re: #353 Backwoods_Sleuth

Katie Hinman ‎@khinman

Former Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger will endorse @JohnKasich today, a source close to the former governor tells @CNN.

2:12 PM - 6 Mar 2016

He’s in Columbus today anyway for the Arnold Classic™ Body Building Competition, Sports Show/Convention, etc.

So it’s easy for Johnny to get a good camera op and they both are/were GOP govenators so it makes sense.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:50:38am

re: #362 blueraven

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LOLwut????

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gwangung  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:52:34am

re: #361 Belafon

Looking at noturbone’s timeline, I suspect he’s a disgruntled Rand follower. Not excusing anything.

There’s a strong streak of what you might call provincialism among some Sanders supporters (of course, you might call it something else….).

There’s one who simply cannot understand why black voters might prefer Clinton; even when you point out the 30+ years of interaction, the responsiveness in legislation to black concerns, the increase in affluence in the black community (and the attempts to ameliorate poverty), he simply is mystified by it.

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Jay C  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:54:24am

re: #362 blueraven

And then hopefully they’d set rules that restrict voting in internal elections to actual card-carrying, fee-paying party members…

And why do I get the unmistakable feeling that these guys would love to have similar restrictions for state-wide and national elections as well? Y’know just to make sure that only the right sort of people vote…

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:56:16am

I was looking at that Enoch Powell was Right guy’s timeline and noticed one of his follower’s has something about “smash cultural marxism” in his own TL. So with a little more digging I found the William Lind article trying to define cultural Marxism. Lind doesn’t define it; he merely equates it with “multiculturalism” and Political Correctness. PC, it turns out, is part of an aggressive agenda by cultural Marxists to destroy Western Civilization by normalizing homosexuality, interbreeding, and supporting feminism. Holy fucking hogwash.

I had no idea that some of these annoying words actually have very specific references for the right wingers.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:56:38am

re: #362 blueraven

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Fee paying? geeze, these people.

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blueraven  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:57:09am

re: #366 Jay C

And why do I get the unmistakable feeling that these guys would love to have similar restrictions for state-wide and national elections as well? Y’know just to make sure that only the right sort of people vote…

He already said he doesn’t believe in the 17th amendment which provides for the direct election of Senators.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:58:03am

re: #368 Stanley Sea

Fee paying? geeze, these people.

I believe that political parties are private organizations, but there was movement at one point to make their nomination process more open and democratic.

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BlueSpotinAL  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:58:14am

re: #156 FormerDirtDart

I don’t know who Alex Mallin is, but he doesn’t seem all that bright.
Trumps “tune change” looks to me more like “change the laws to make my torture and war crimes legal”

Trump is hoping Yoo-ll fall for it.

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The Ghost of Bork Bork Bork Bork  Mar 6, 2016 • 12:00:13pm

re: #367 Barefoot Grin

“Cultural Marxism” tends reference back to Bircher materials in which it’s a conspiracy started by the “Frankfort School”—a set of Jewish philosophers that used Marxist ideas—to pervert the culture of the US to allow Communism to take over. Basically any social phenomenon that they didn’t like—hippes, civil rights, feminism—fell into that category.

Alt-right has picked it up and further expanded the field of the “conspiracy” to include pretty much anyone and anything on the internet that isn’t MRA/white supremacist/alt-right.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 6, 2016 • 12:00:19pm

re: #367 Barefoot Grin

I was looking at that Enoch Powell was Right guy’s timeline and noticed one of his follower’s has something about “smash cultural marxism” in his own TL. So with a little more digging I found the William Lind article trying to define cultural Marxism. Lind doesn’t define it; he merely equates it with “multiculturalism” and Political Correctness. PC, it turns out, is part of an aggressive agenda by cultural Marxists to destroy Western Civilization by normalizing homosexuality, interbreeding, and supporting feminism. Holy fucking hogwash.

I had no idea that some of these annoying words actually have very specific references for the right wingers.

“secular humanism” is another bugaboo: a Marxist crusade to banish religion from everyday life.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2016 • 12:01:14pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2016 • 12:03:51pm

CHARLESTON - West Virginia will join a short list of states that let people carry hidden guns without permits or training.

The Republican-led Senate overrode Democratic Gov. Earl Ray Tomblin’s veto Saturday by a 23-11 vote, following the House’s 64-33 vote Friday. Lawmakers only needed a simple majority for the override, a threshold that makes many policy vetoes symbolic. The law takes effect in late May.

Surrounded by law enforcement officials Thursday, Tomblin vetoed the bill over their safety concerns. He vetoed similar legislation last year.

“Ladies and gentlemen, I urge you to just look around this room for a moment, and see that law enforcement are concerned about this bill,” Tomblin said Thursday.

On Saturday, opponents echoed concerns that the Republican leadership was ignoring law enforcement’s worries.

“It’s a slap in the governor’s face, but it’s a slap in the State Police’s face, sheriffs, municipal police officers and the vast majority of our constituents,” said Sen. Corey Palumbo, D-Kanawha.

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BeachDem  Mar 6, 2016 • 12:08:47pm

re: #368 Stanley Sea

Fee paying? geeze, these people.

Fee paying, ya know, like poll taxes.

Such democratic
very equality
much inclusive

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A Mom Anon  Mar 6, 2016 • 12:09:26pm

re: #368 Stanley Sea

Oh, so like a country club then? I live close by two of those fucking atrocities and you could not pay me enough to belong to either one. Honest to God, if they want to live in Allwhiteystan why don’t they pool their money, buy a fucking island and form their own little hell?

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A Mom Anon  Mar 6, 2016 • 12:12:19pm

re: #375 Backwoods_Sleuth

So they have no problem at all then with people walking all around their workplace armed without permits or training then? Good to know. Or their kids’ school, hell, why not?

I really have no idea what has to happen for people to figure out this shit is just dangerously stupid. I really thought Sandy Hook and what happened to Gabby Giffords would have at least brought them pause, but nope.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 6, 2016 • 12:16:03pm

re: #372 The Ghost of Bork Bork Bork Bork

“Cultural Marxism” tends reference back to Bircher materials in which it’s a conspiracy started by the “Frankfort School”—a set of Jewish philosophers that used Marxist ideas—to pervert the culture of the US to allow Communism to take over. Basically any social phenomenon that they didn’t like—hippes, civil rights, feminism—fell into that category.

Alt-right has picked it up and further expanded the field of the “conspiracy” to include pretty much anyone and anything on the internet that isn’t MRA/white supremacist/alt-right.

It’s far too neat a package—didn’t know about the Bircher connection, but it doesn’t surprise me.

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Eventual Carrion  Mar 6, 2016 • 12:46:07pm

re: #353 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That’s really not surprising to me. I could see the two of them about the same politically.

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Ming5000  Mar 6, 2016 • 2:06:59pm

re: #295 bratwurst

I think by now there is a large percentage of people who agree that the “War on Drugs” was misguided and overall counterproductive. Much like “abstinence” as sex education is.


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