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1 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:20:45pm

I'm reloading like the IDF!

2 notutopia  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:21:09pm

Wow! Thanks Charles for all you do here at LGF!

3 Cygnus  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:21:16pm

Pass with care - driver reloading.

4 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:21:21pm

Yes icon!

5 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:21:56pm

How come there was no cease-fire offer first? I wanted a cease fire!

6 dmandman  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:23:16pm

talking about loading up...I am torn between a glock21 and glock38...any thoughts?

7 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:23:28pm

Rollover? Is that why the webpage is upside down in my monitor?

8 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:24:22pm

re: #7 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Rollover? Is that why the webpage is upside down in my monitor?

My web page 90 degrees sideways..now my neck is getting sore
/

9 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:24:28pm

MSNBC has some great footage.

10 Cygnus  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:24:41pm

Your computer can roll over? Cool. Now teach it to fetch.

11 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:24:43pm

Charles, I notice that long pages now unload about 2x faster in IE6, thanks!

12 notutopia  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:25:04pm

re: #7 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Rollover? Is that why the webpage is upside down in my monitor?


I told you to apply those rollover bars to your monitor!

13 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:26:00pm

re: #8 HoosierHoops

My web page 90 degrees sideways..now my neck is getting sore
/

For you!

14 jcm  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:26:01pm

That's a funky mustard yellow on the report button!

15 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:26:21pm

There was nothing wrong with my image, but now its been replaced.

Why is a stranger staring back at me when I look in the mirror?

16 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:27:08pm

re: #14 jcm

That's a funky mustard yellow on the report button!

I'm totally digging it!

17 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:27:09pm

re: #10 Cygnus

Your computer can roll over? Cool. Now teach it to fetch.

Been there, did that.

18 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:28:09pm

re: #13 goddessoftheclassroom

For you!

{Goddess}
Awww.. that's cute...
I'm going to have to email you a picture of Winston dressed up for Christmas.

19 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:29:38pm

re: #14 jcm

That's a funky mustard yellow on the report button!

It's purty!

20 mattm  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:31:27pm

Cool!

21 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:31:42pm

re: #15 pre-Boomer Marine brat

There was nothing wrong with my image, but now its been replaced.

Why is a stranger staring back at me when I look in the mirror?

Oh no not the two sided medicine cabinet again..."Hi Guy!" "Mona!"

22 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:33:13pm

For the record, I wouldn't f*ck Christine Amanpour with Rosie O'Donnel's d*ck.

23 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:33:37pm
24 opnion  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:34:34pm

Out of curiosity i went to CNN. They are saying that this is like Lebanon & Hamas will be stronger. Aminpour is on now whining about the Israelis keeping the media away. She also opines that all of the casualties in Gaza are shocking the world.
No matter what ,FNC is doing a better job.

25 davinvalkri  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:36:08pm

re: #14 jcm

That's a funky mustard yellow on the report button!

Danger Will Robinson! Do you really wish to report this comment?!

On a more serious (yeah, right!) note:

Ooohh, looky! The icons change color now!
Thank you, Charles, for providing affordances that let us know those icons can be clicked.
They'll come in handy if I get drunk, tired, or otherwise half-disabled.

26 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:36:08pm

re: #24 opnion

Out of curiosity i went to CNN. They are saying that this is like Lebanon & Hamas will be stronger. Aminpour is on now whining about the Israelis keeping the media away. She also opines that all of the casualties in Gaza are shocking the world.
No matter what ,FNC is doing a better job.

20 armed Hamas terrorists killed already..
The IDF ain't fucking around.. You want war? bring it!

27 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:36:08pm

re: #23 Iron Fist

I'd go with the 21 I think. .45 GAP is almost a wildcat round. I've seen it for sale in a couple of places, but you aren't going to be able to get ammo at Wal Mart. The only thing that might tempt me is a 37 built on a stainless steel frame. I don't know why they don't have one of these in a 21. That would be ideal.

I read that and thought WTF? a .37? a .21?
Thought maybe you guys had it confused with the AK-48 (49?)

LOL!

28 Oingo Boingo  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:37:22pm

Done and done! Well met, sir!

29 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:37:31pm

re: #27 jwb7605


Anyone know where I can find something in a 10mm or .41AE?

30 davinvalkri  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:38:25pm

re: #26 HoosierHoops

20 armed Hamas terrorists killed already..
The IDF ain't fucking around.. You want war? bring it!

You brought this on yourselves, Hamastards! Don't go BMW-ing to the international community now!

31 opnion  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:38:31pm

re: #26 HoosierHoops

20 armed Hamas terrorists killed already..
The IDF ain't fucking around.. You want war? bring it!

Amanpour just said that since Tsipsi Livni said that Israel is going to teach Hamas a lesson, that proves thet their response is disproportionate.
Anybody else catch that?

32 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:39:00pm

re: #22 Fenway_Nation

For the record, I wouldn't f*ck Christine Amanpour with Rosie O'Donnel's d*ck.

So much for my lunch...:P

33 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:41:35pm
34 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:45:52pm

Are these icon changes going to make their way to the spinoff links at some point?

35 notutopia  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:46:04pm

[Link: israelmatzav.blogspot.com...]

Israel is watching on LGF and Thanks Charles Johnson
IDF ground troops are in Gaza

IDF ground troops entered Gaza this evening. More to follow.
UPDATE 9:15 PM
Charles Johnson gets it right.

This day was inevitable, ever since Israel’s withdrawal. Now the IDF are going to have to retake territory that’s been heavily armed and booby-trapped, in a densely packed urban environment.
Yes, it was inevitable. Too bad so many people - even on our side - wouldn't listen three and a half years ago.

36 quickjustice  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:46:44pm

Who invented the fiction of "proportionate" response anyway? "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth"? That's for civil society, not for the military.

The truth about "proportionate" responses:

"No one ever won a war by dying for his country. You win wars by making the other poor bastard die for his country."

George S. Patton

37 Boogberg  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:48:27pm

Fox reporting major earthquake in Indonesia (7.2 magnitude)

38 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:48:27pm

re: #31 opnion

Amanpour just said that since Tsipsi Livni said that Israel is going to teach Hamas a lesson, that proves thet their response is disproportionate.
Anybody else catch that?

I saw somebody from the IDF earlier say that they have been training for 2 1/2 years for Urban warfare.. They are highly trained and motivated...
I don't think Hamas has any idea the can of wup ass they just popped open

39 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:48:47pm

Attero!
Dominatus!
Gaza is burning.
Denique!
Interimo!
Hamas is falling.

-apologies to Sabaton

I wonder if the Palestinian dancing cow...
Woman? It's a lady? Are you sure?
ahem...if the dancing Palestinian lady is dancing today.

Attack!
Dominate!
At last!
Destroy!

40 opnion  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:49:09pm

re: #36 quickjustice

Who invented the fiction of "proportionate" response anyway? "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth"? That's for civil society, not for the military.

The truth about "proportionate" responses:

"No one ever won a war by dying for his country. You win wars by making the other poor bastard die for his country."

George S. Patton

I doubt that "propotionate" response ever won a war. Superior fire power settles the issue.

41 jcm  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:49:20pm

re: #36 quickjustice

Who invented the fiction of "proportionate" response anyway? "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth"? That's for civil society, not for the military.

The truth about "proportionate" responses:

"No one ever won a war by dying for his country. You win wars by making the other poor bastard die for his country."

George S. Patton

It's part of the whole moral equivalence load of crapola.

42 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:50:04pm
43 jcm  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:50:12pm

re: #37 Boogberg

Fox reporting major earthquake in Indonesia (7.2 magnitude)

Earthquake Details

Magnitude
7.6
Date-Time
Saturday, January 03, 2009 at 19:43:54 UTC
Sunday, January 04, 2009 at 04:43:54 AM at epicenter
Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones
Location
0.510°S, 132.783°E
Depth
35 km (21.7 miles) set by location program
Region
NEAR THE NORTH COAST OF PAPUA, INDONESIA
Distances
150 km (95 miles) WNW of Manokwari, Papua, Indonesia
170 km (105 miles) ENE of Sorong, Papua, Indonesia
1335 km (830 miles) N of DARWIN, Northern Territory, Australia
2955 km (1830 miles) E of JAKARTA, Java, Indonesia
Location Uncertainty
horizontal +/- 12.1 km (7.5 miles); depth fixed by location program
Parameters
NST= 36, Nph= 36, Dmin=>999 km, Rmss=1.33 sec, Gp= 61°,
M-type=regional moment magnitude (Mw), Version=6
Source
USGS NEIC (WDCS-D)
Event ID
us2009bjbn

44 SlartyBartfast  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:51:47pm

re: #31 opnion

Amanpour just said that since Tsipsi Livni said that Israel is going to teach Hamas a lesson, that proves thet their response is disproportionate.
Anybody else catch that?

Of course it's disproportionate! In spite of the media's best efforts, this is not to be viewed as a game of tit-for-tat. It's war: if you ask Hamas, they'd say that it's been an uninterrupted war for 60+ years.

45 jcm  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:52:32pm
46 opnion  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:52:33pm

re: #38 HoosierHoops

I saw somebody from the IDF earlier say that they have been training for 2 1/2 years for Urban warfare.. They are highly trained and motivated...
I don't think Hamas has any idea the can of wup ass they just popped open


Hamas has to be counting on Lebanon as a template. I think that they are not factoring that Israel learned a lot & won't make the same mistake.
You don't want these people whoopin & hollerin celebrating in the strees of Gaza city, claiming that the drove Israel out. Bad for Israel, bad for us.

47 gclaghorn  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:53:53pm

Thou shalt not worship false icons!

/

48 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:54:01pm
49 Boogberg  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:54:34pm

Thanks, jcm!

50 Outrider  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:54:50pm

re: #47 gclaghorn

Thou shalt not worship false icons!

/

icon see what icon do about it. ;-)>

51 Cygnus  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:54:51pm

Better ask the Greek Orthodox Church if icon makeovers are OK.

52 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:55:22pm
53 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:55:27pm

re: #50 Outrider

icon see what icon do about it. ;-)>

Ssssh! Button it up!

54 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:55:56pm
55 Joo-LiZ  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:56:27pm

re: #54 ploome hineni

Rollover effects, as you move the mouse over the buttons, they change color.

56 notutopia  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:56:40pm

re: #54 ploome hineni

I don;t see any difference

what am I supposed to see?


Color when you roll over the icons.

57 jcm  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:56:45pm

re: #54 ploome hineni

I don;t see any difference

what am I supposed to see?

Put you cursor over the ding buttons and report button.

58 gclaghorn  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:57:00pm

Ooooh! I just noticed that the report button goes all orange when you mouse over it. I like.

59 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:57:09pm

re: #51 Cygnus

Better ask the Greek Orthodox Church if icon makeovers are OK.

Yes, icon.
Yes, Wiccan.
Yes, he she or idiot can.

60 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:57:16pm
61 opnion  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:57:29pm

Hey yo! Vince is on right now selling Shamwow! He should be wearing a snuggie.

62 Mardukhai  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:57:32pm

LGF now has rollover?

What about a 401k?

63 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:57:55pm

re: #58 gclaghorn

Ooooh! I just noticed that the report button goes all orange when you mouse over it. I like.

Too cool..I likey

64 gclaghorn  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:58:02pm

re: #61 opnion

Hey yo! Vince is on right now selling Shamwow! He should be wearing a snuggie.

Aarrrgh! Does everyone have to bring it up now? ;)

65 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:58:11pm

re: #62 Mardukhai

The rollover is for our Zionist checks. Shhh!

66 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:58:22pm

re: #51 Cygnus

Better ask the Greek Orthodox Church if icon makeovers are OK.

Icons can be repaired, just not intentionally destroyed.

67 opnion  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:59:14pm

re: #52 Iron Fist

That depends on what you do to them when they take to the streets to whoop and holler that they've won. If Israel would use it as an oppertunity to strike, the Hamastinians celebration could turn to tears in a minute or two.

Never happen, those would be mainly civilians. If they were all Hamas militants that would be a whole nother thing.

68 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:59:25pm

re: #62 Mardukhai

That's all gone thanks to Madoff...

69 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:59:49pm

re: #61 opnion

Hey yo! Vince is on right now selling Shamwow! He should be wearing a snuggie.

snuggies should be outlawed..
BTW..try a sweater..they work too..and you won't get beat up for wearing one.

70 Joan  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:00:00pm

re: #64 gclaghorn

Aarrrgh! Does everyone have to bring it up now? ;)

re: #64 gclaghorn

Aarrrgh! Does everyone have to bring it up now? ;)

Wait--I thought everybody hated Billy?! Wow. Two obnoxious pitchmen to loathe.

71 gclaghorn  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:00:03pm

Charles, when I upding in a single comment window, the button goes gray but the number doesn't update.

72 dmandman  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:00:10pm

re: #66 David IV of Georgia

It depends on how iconoclastic you are.

73 Outrider  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:00:29pm

re: #69 HoosierHoops

snuggies should be outlawed..
BTW..try a sweater..they work too..and you won't get beat up for wearing one.

what is a snuggie?

74 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:00:46pm

Proportional response only makes sense if:

You are losing a war.

Or, the side you are rooting for is losing the war.

Or, if you simply enjoy prolonged unending hostilities with no end in sight.

75 gclaghorn  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:00:51pm

re: #73 Outrider

what is a snuggie?

"The blanket with sleeves."

76 gclaghorn  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:01:21pm

re: #73 Outrider

what is a snuggie?

77 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:02:05pm

Charles, it's a very nitpicky thing, but I notice that when I pass the cursor over a comment's buttons, they shift right slightly and "close up". They then remain than way.

Each comment's buttons are independent (all the others' don't change when one's does.)

Using IE7

78 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:02:26pm

re: #72 dmandman

It depends on how iconoclastic you are.

But I'm an iconodule, depending on the circumstances of course.

79 Outrider  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:02:42pm

re: #75 gclaghorn

"The blanket with sleeves."

Oh ok, i think i've seen that on tv. thanks

80 opnion  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:02:54pm

re: #69 HoosierHoops

snuggies should be outlawed..
BTW..try a sweater..they work too..and you won't get beat up for wearing one.

I love the part when the family is at the football game all wearing snuggies & the man & woman high five. The little girl is sitting between them with her arms half way down the sleeves & they say "One size fits all."

81 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:02:58pm

re: #70 Joan


Billy's doing commercials for ESPN now, which is only fitting since ESPN's almost ceased to be a sports network and seems to feature nothing but catchphrase-spewing anchors and obnoxious fat kids playing Madden NFL as their programming.

82 debutaunt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:03:09pm

re: #58 gclaghorn

Ooooh! I just noticed that the report button goes all orange when you mouse over it. I like.

It's a color blindness test.

83 alegrias  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:03:10pm

re: #70 Joan

Wait--I thought everybody hated Billy?! Wow. Two obnoxious pitchmen to loathe.

* * *
Hey, Billy Mays here...just doing his job, why hate the man? He's not taking your wallet from you, merely ASKING for your business.

Use your mute button.

84 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:03:18pm

re: #71 gclaghorn

Charles, when I upding in a single comment window, the button goes gray but the number doesn't update.

Damn! Wow!
Same thing here, Charles.

85 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:03:52pm

re: #71 gclaghorn

Charles, when I upding in a single comment window, the button goes gray but the number doesn't update.

That's fixed now.

86 gclaghorn  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:03:57pm

re: #84 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Damn! Wow!
Same thing here, Charles.

Trying to start a ShamWow thread again? ;)

87 debutaunt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:04:53pm

re: #75 gclaghorn

"The blanket with sleeves."

And an open back -brilliant idea.

88 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:05:10pm

re: #84 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Damn! Wow!
Same thing here, Charles.

mmm.worked for me in ff3..

89 CIA Reject  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:05:17pm

re: #70 Joan

Wait--I thought everybody hated Billy?! Wow. Two obnoxious pitchmen to loathe.

Actually I think Billy is a much misused sales resource. The companies he represents would have much better results if they had him go door to door and REFUSE TO SHUT UP AND/OR LEAVE your house until you buy whatever crap he's peddling.

Guess they figure, rightly, that he'd probably get shot...

90 Outrider  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:05:18pm

re: #84 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Damn! Wow!
Same thing here, Charles.

yeah, can't see the rating unless you actually click on it.

91 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:05:24pm

re: #86 gclaghorn

Trying to start a ShamWow thread again? ;)

No.
A real Wow, not a sham "Wow".

92 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:05:29pm

CNN live stream still spewing terror apologists crap about "peaceful" residents of Gaza.

93 opnion  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:05:37pm

re: #87 debutaunt

And an open back -brilliant idea.

Kinda like a hospital gown.

94 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:05:57pm

Everybody reload the page.

95 Outrider  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:06:16pm

re: #90 Outrider

yeah, can't see the rating unless you actually click on it.

never mind reference #85 ;-)>

96 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:06:58pm

re: #85 Charles

That's fixed now.

Now it's not updating on this page.

97 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:07:17pm

You can tell when you've fallen out of favor with family when they no longer give you the Billy-endorsed As Seen On TV products as Christmas gifts, but instead give you Similar To As Seen on TV.

98 gop_patriot  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:07:17pm

When I click a number to see who's updinged, and when I click the green "+" button, the number jumps over until it's beside the heart and the - and + buttons jump below the number. Is this supposed to happen?

99 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:07:35pm

re: #92 Killgore Trout

CNN live stream still spewing terror apologists crap about "peaceful" residents of Gaza.

Being without broadcast/cable TV is so peaceful.

100 notutopia  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:07:38pm

re: #82 debutaunt

It's a color blindness test.

Color Contrast Tester
[Link: www.joedolson.com...]

101 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:08:06pm

re: #96 Sharmuta

Now it's not updating on this page.

Reload to update the code.

102 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:08:17pm

re: #101 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Just did that- thanks.

103 Joan  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:08:39pm

re: #83 alegrias

Well, I'll give them this: enterprising, professional and they make money hand over fist for the infomercial producers, or they would not be hired.

104 gclaghorn  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:08:53pm

re: #98 gop_patriot

When I click a number to see who's updinged, and when I click the green "+" button, the number jumps over until it's beside the heart and the - and + buttons jump below the number. Is this supposed to happen?

I don't get that problem.

105 gclaghorn  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:09:30pm

re: #101 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Reload to update the code.

Did you just write a poem?

106 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:09:31pm

re: #98 gop_patriot

When I click a number to see who's updinged, and when I click the green "+" button, the number jumps over until it's beside the heart and the - and + buttons jump below the number. Is this supposed to happen?

Doesn't happen with me (in IE7, and with the page freshly reloaded)

107 debutaunt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:09:38pm

re: #100 notutopia

Color Contrast Tester
[Link: www.joedolson.com...]

Oh noes - I failed the brightness test.

108 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:10:13pm

re: #105 gclaghorn

Did you just write a poem?

I guess I coda.

109 Throbert McGee  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:10:13pm

Minor bug report: In Opera (v. 9.23), the new icons stack themselves in a vertical column (thus causing the header bar for each comment to be much "fatter" from top to bottom).

Looks great in Firefox, however.

110 gclaghorn  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:11:17pm

re: #108 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I guess I coda.

That doesn't have a leg to stanza on.

111 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:11:32pm

re: #99 pre-Boomer Marine brat

CNN is unwatchable.

112 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:12:31pm

re: #110 gclaghorn

That doesn't have a leg to stanza on.

Iamb what iamb.

113 gop_patriot  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:12:32pm

re: #104 gclaghorn

I don't get that problem.

re: #106 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Doesn't happen with me (in IE7, and with the page freshly reloaded)

With my luck, I'm the only one. LOL I'm on an older eMac, 10.3.9 (can't update any more on this computer), running Firefox, cache cleared and reloaded.

Oh well. It just started when I came back from lunch and logged in to this thread...

114 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:12:46pm

re: #110 gclaghorn

That doesn't have a leg to stanza on.

I have noted your issues and will staff it out.

115 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:13:26pm

re: #109 Throbert McGee

Minor bug report: In Opera (v. 9.23), the new icons stack themselves in a vertical column (thus causing the header bar for each comment to be much "fatter" from top to bottom).

Looks great in Firefox, however.

Go into Opera's Tools/Options box. The "Seating" variable MUST be set to "Floor" instead of "Box". Any time "Box" is selected, everything comes out as vertical.

/teasing.

116 debutaunt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:13:31pm

re: #111 Killgore Trout

CNN is unwatchable.

MSM and cable news have become useless except as a blood pressure upper for all the folks who suffer from low blood pressure.

117 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:13:50pm
118 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:14:05pm

re: #110 gclaghorn

That doesn't have a leg to stanza on.

That's versed than your other one.

119 gop_patriot  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:14:15pm

re: #109 Throbert McGee

Something similar here, but in Firefox for me. See my #98...

120 debutaunt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:14:21pm

re: #112 goddessoftheclassroom

Iamb what iamb.

I broke my pentameter.

121 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:14:55pm

That shifting around business with IE7 should be fixed now if you reload.

122 gclaghorn  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:15:15pm

re: #118 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That's versed than your other one.

Don't they make such a wonderful couplet?

123 gclaghorn  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:16:25pm

re: #120 debutaunt

I broke my pentameter.

Ode dear!

124 BBev  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:16:41pm

re: #117 Iron Fist

Oh, I know it'll never happen. It wouldn't happen if they were all card-carrying members of Hamas. They let that child-murderer go free last year. What was his name, "Kuntar"?

Israel could win this on the battlefield in six days, but instead they are going to lose it on TV and in public opinion.

Why should Israel care at this point. Israel has been dealing with this shit for far to long. Israel should only care at this point on the freedom of the people that they are protecting!

125 DEZes  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:17:49pm

That worked Charles, Thanks.

126 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:18:26pm

re: #111 Killgore Trout

CNN is unwatchable.

The only time I've ever watched CNN is when it was running in the lunchroom at a plant I was doing some work at for a few days. This was back a few years ago when that Greek airliner lost cabin pressure/oxygen, flew on for quite a while, and crashed. CNN's coverage was (to say the very least) "talking head boring".

127 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:19:07pm
128 debutaunt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:19:44pm

re: #125 DEZes

That worked Charles, Thanks.

Now I'm getting an error on page yellow yield sign after refreshing.

129 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:19:47pm

re: #119 gop_patriot

Something similar here, but in Firefox for me. See my #98...

Not seeing this -- which version of Firefox?

130 gop_patriot  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:19:47pm

re: #121 Charles

That shifting around business with IE7 should be fixed now if you reload.

Is that a different problem than the one I was encountering at #98?

131 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:20:07pm

re: #121 Charles

That shifting around business with IE7 should be fixed now if you reload.

HA! Stability in my universe again!
*genuflect*

132 BBev  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:20:19pm

re: #127 Iron Fist

I agree. If I were running the show, I'd tell the French to go sodomize themselves with a broken bottle, and get down to the serious but doable task of winning this thing for good. They've got 18 days. They've done it in six before.

Amen to that

133 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:21:48pm

re: #112 goddessoftheclassroom

Iamb what iamb.

IC!
(as in, ick)

/a lot of pent-up meter in that.

134 gop_patriot  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:22:14pm

re: #129 Charles

Not seeing this -- which version of Firefox?

Oh, 2.0.0.20. Just started on this thread, btw.
Can't upgrade any further on this computer b/c it's too old I guess. And, it's nothing I can't live with! I just was wondering if it was a "feature" or a "bug". ;)

135 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:22:43pm
136 bh684  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:22:43pm

"the game is on, go team" paraphrase from Kelley's Heroes

137 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:23:39pm

re: #114 HoosierHoops

I have noted your issues and will staff it out.

You've staffed it out to your March Slaves?

138 notutopia  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:23:42pm

re: #129 Charles
Charles, I'm running 3.0.5, my avatar is squashed and has a framed border around it. Is there anything I can do?

139 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:24:33pm

re: #123 gclaghorn

Ode dear!

(taking time to give a) *rimshot*

140 debutaunt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:24:46pm

re: #138 notutopia

Charles, I'm running 3.0.5, my avatar is squashed and has a framed border around it. Is there anything I can do?

Calm down - this ain't exactly utopia.

141 notutopia  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:25:27pm

re: #140 debutaunt
But...but...but my kitty is squashed!

142 opnion  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:25:40pm

re: #92 Killgore Trout

CNN live stream still spewing terror apologists crap about "peaceful" residents of Gaza.

Do they keep going to Christiane Amapour? For what it's worth she was born to an Iranian airline executive, Mohammad & a British mother in England in 1958. They moved to & remained in Iran for much of her formative years. Could cloud her opnions.

143 debutaunt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:27:09pm

re: #141 notutopia

But...but...but my kitty is squashed!

With an attractive border.

144 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:27:35pm

re: #127 Iron Fist

I agree. If I were running the show, I'd tell the French to go sodomize themselves with a broken bottle, and get down to the serious but doable task of winning this thing for good. They've got 18 days. They've done it in six before.

The Six Day War: Sabaton Counterstrike (IDF tribute)

Kickstart fighter launch
throttle set to full
speed king race to win
afterburners roaring

Ghostlike counterstrike
takes them by surprise
score 307
Israelis rule the heaven

Jordan attacks Israel crush that
futile attempt
control Jerusalem

Drive back surprise attack
take the western wall
next day make them pay
over river Jordan

Syria last in line
head for Golan Heights
strike without a warning
see the Syrian forces falling

Syria attacked Israel crushed their
lines of defence
ruling the Golan Heights

6 days of fire 1 day of rest
June '67 taught them respect
control Jerusalem

Three nations fallen in six days of war
traitorous neighbours
received as deserved
under the sun in the dust of the war
One nation standing stronger than before

First into Egypt and
sent them to hell
then turned their forces to Jordan
climb up the mountains
where Syria awaits
break them in hours
protect holy land

145 notutopia  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:28:21pm

re: #143 debutaunt

With an attractive border.

don't box my kitty in.

146 BBev  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:28:54pm

re: #135 Iron Fist

We've only got 18 days ourselves. I'm dreading the Obama Administration. I don't see any way that it will turn out for the good of the Country.

Let HOPE he does a fantastic job. I say this a a Conservative Republican. But I am not holding my breath.

147 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:29:01pm

re: #137 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You've staffed it out to your March Slaves?

Well..mmmm..u.mmm
I got nothing..*hangs head in shame*

148 debutaunt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:29:01pm

re: #145 notutopia

don't box my kitty in.

Nobody puts baby kitty in the corner box.

149 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:29:09pm

Uh oh.
I'm all out of poetry-pun material.

*slinking off to sit in the corner*

150 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:29:11pm

re: #134 gop_patriot

Oh, 2.0.0.20. Just started on this thread, btw.
Can't upgrade any further on this computer b/c it's too old I guess. And, it's nothing I can't live with! I just was wondering if it was a "feature" or a "bug". ;)

Looks like you've run into a bug in Firefox 2. Are you sure you can't upgrade to v3? Firefox 2 also has some security issues, I believe...

151 gclaghorn  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:29:12pm

re: #145 notutopia

don't box my kitty in.

Think of it more as a "frame." The word "border" sounds so...restricting.

/hippie

152 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:29:36pm

re: #147 HoosierHoops

Well..mmmm..u.mmm
I got nothing..*hangs head in shame*

Heh. See my #149

153 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:29:59pm

re: #138 notutopia

Charles, I'm running 3.0.5, my avatar is squashed and has a framed border around it. Is there anything I can do?

I just opened it in Paint Shop Pro. That's the way it naturally looks.

/email or point me to the original and I'll fix it and make it as large as possible

154 reggie21  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:31:12pm

I have a friend who graduated HS with Billy. He's from just outside PGH.
re: #70 Joan

Wait--I thought everybody hated Billy?! Wow. Two obnoxious pitchmen to loathe.

155 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:32:02pm

re: #151 gclaghorn

Think of it more as a "frame." The word "border" sounds so...restricting.

/hippie

OJ was 'Brodered'?

156 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:32:06pm

re: #145 notutopia

don't box my kitty in.

I've a really dirty mind.

157 alegrias  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:32:09pm

re: #135 Iron Fist

We've only got 18 days ourselves. I'm dreading the Obama Administration. I don't see any way that it will turn out for the good of the Country.

* * *
Isn't the Chicago, Illinois Corruption Show edumacational & entertaining though? Blago, Burris, Daley machine, Rezko, Wright, all the creeps coming out of the woodwork? It's a veritable moving feast of maggots from whence arose Obama!

158 notutopia  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:32:13pm

re: #153 Killian Bundy
You're a sweetie Killian. I'm searching for it myself right now so I can try to repair it with enlargement and cropping. Thanks. I'll hollar if I can't fix it.

159 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:32:43pm

re: #145 notutopia

don't box my kitty in.

Heh.
OT, once had a cat who used a shoebox as her hidey-hole as a kitten. It was hilarious to (still) see her in there as a full-grown cat. The sides of that shoebox were bulged waaaay outwards.

/waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!

160 notutopia  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:32:44pm

re: #156 MandyManners

I've a really dirty mind.


Heh!

161 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:32:44pm

re: #151 gclaghorn

Think of it more as a "frame." The word "border" sounds so...restricting.

/hippie


OJ was Bordered?

(take 2- PIMF)

162 gop_patriot  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:32:46pm

re: #150 Charles

Looks like you've run into a bug in Firefox 2. Are you sure you can't upgrade to v3? Firefox 2 also has some security issues, I believe...

Thank you. I'll check again, but I'm not optimistic about FF3 working on this computer. And yikes about the security issues. :/ I'll see what I can do...

163 allah this  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:32:55pm

re: #31 opnion

Mark Regev (Israeli PM office spokesman) gave Amanpuke a pretty good smackdown as she tried repeatedly to parrot the usual pro-hamas talking points. Over and over, she tried to get Regev to say Israel is "teaching hamas a lesson" and Regev kept trying to explain it's about stopping the rockets. CNN is truly disgraceful.

164 opnion  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:33:08pm

Cardinals & Falcons getting set to kick off. They had Olberman on the pre game & I bet that he is back at the half.
The Cardinals have not hosted a playoff game since 1947 at old Comiskey Park when they were the Chicago Cardinals.

165 alegrias  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:33:36pm

re: #142 opnion

Do they keep going to Christiane Amapour? For what it's worth she was born to an Iranian airline executive, Mohammad & a British mother in England in 1958. They moved to & remained in Iran for much of her formative years. Could cloud her opnions.

* * *
Amanpour's marrying the Clinton's State Department spokesman James Rubin also had to affect her mind.

166 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:33:39pm

re: #152 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Heh. See my #149

LOL
yea..It's play-offs.. here comes the kick-off..I'm picking the Falcons on this one

167 opnion  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:34:08pm

re: #157 alegrias

* * *
Isn't the Chicago, Illinois Corruption Show edumacational & entertaining though? Blago, Burris, Daley machine, Rezko, Wright, all the creeps coming out of the woodwork? It's a veritable moving feast of maggots from whence arose Obama!

The show makes winter tolerable.

168 WhiteRasta  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:34:59pm

CNN is not biased.

They are firmly on the side of the enemy.

169 opnion  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:35:07pm

re: #165 alegrias

* * *
Amanpour's marrying the Clinton's State Department spokesman James Rubin also had to affect her mind.

They weren't actually allowed to mate?

170 Dianna  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:35:57pm

re: #135 Iron Fist

We've only got 18 days ourselves. I'm dreading the Obama Administration. I don't see any way that it will turn out for the good of the Country.

Perhaps in lessons learned?

Hey, I'm trying to be positive, here!

171 alegrias  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:36:13pm

re: #169 opnion

They weren't actually allowed to mate?

* * *
Suffer the little children...maybe they'll grow up to be pro-Israel conservatives.

172 WhiteRasta  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:36:21pm

re: #169 opnion

Allowed to mate, yes but not allowed to breed, G-d willing......

173 opnion  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:37:40pm

re: #171 alegrias

* * *
Suffer the little children...maybe they'll grow up to be pro-Israel conservatives.


Serve em right

174 Age Of Freedom  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:37:54pm

Israeli media reports that at least 30 Hamas terrorists were killed in northern Gaza by IDF troops. IDF soldiers! Your lives are holy so take care of yourselves. You're fighting Satan's cockroaches, and as such you must crush them into a painful defeat! Above all - stay safe, and if you need to raze a suspicious ugly gray building in your way, raze five along with it.

175 Dianna  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:38:45pm

re: #157 alegrias

* * *
Isn't the Chicago, Illinois Corruption Show edumacational & entertaining though? Blago, Burris, Daley machine, Rezko, Wright, all the creeps coming out of the woodwork? It's a veritable moving feast of maggots from whence arose Obama!

Paris may be a moveable feast (or carbeque, these days), but Chicago? No, it's rather stationary, so the blowflies know where to go to lay their eggs.

176 gop_patriot  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:39:58pm

re: #150 Charles

Looks like you've run into a bug in Firefox 2. Are you sure you can't upgrade to v3? Firefox 2 also has some security issues, I believe...

Ok, checked the Mozilla site. I have OS X 10.3.9 and FF3 needs 10.4, so cannot upgrade. And I can't afford to upgrade this computer or get a new one right now. Maybe I'll try another browser if FF2 has security problems, or just use my son's PC. Thanks for checking though, I appreciate it. :)

177 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:40:35pm
re: #135 Iron Fist

We've only got 18 days ourselves. I'm dreading the Obama Administration. I don't see any way that it will turn out for the good of the Country.


re: #170 Dianna

Perhaps in lessons learned?

Hey, I'm trying to be positive, here!


My take is that what Obama does will depend entirely on the success of this Israel action.
Obama will "go with the flow", and side with "popular opinion".

If it looks like (or has come to pass) that Israel is successful, I think you'll see some support from Obama.
(the above will be accompanied by re-runs of his speech in Israel)

Otherwise, you'll see the usual pleas and demands for Israel to stop over-reacting.
(this will be accompanied by re-runs of his 'direct diplomacy' primary speeches)

178 Joo-LiZ  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:42:11pm

This is what the IDF is up against in Gaza.

Mother's, daughter's, sister's of Palestine.

Who wants to bet they are tougher than the "men"?

179 snopercod  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:43:10pm

re: #1 Jetpilot1101

I'm reloading like the IDF!

I was trying to think of something snappy to say, but I can't top that one. LOL!

180 rightside  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:44:47pm

re: #178 Joo-LiZ

I never understood why the cowards have to wear masks?

Anyway, good riddance, just detonate yourself at home.

181 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:45:08pm

CNN is interviewing a Jordyptian shrink from Gaza saying how upset everyone is. Why not interview an Israeli shrink who can talk about the trauma of living under constant threat of a freakin' rocket attack?

182 USCMSNE  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:45:27pm

My toddler son likes juice. I told him that the juice is the cause of all the worlds problems. He didn't care. He's a friend of the juice, I guess. Good for him.

183 DEZes  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:45:48pm

re: #178 Joo-LiZ
All I see is a blank link, anybody else?

184 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:47:07pm

re: #178 Joo-LiZ



This is what the IDF is up against in Gaza.

Mother's, daughter's, sister's of Palestine.

Who wants to bet they are tougher than the "men"?

That voice! I had to stop the video before I shoved a fork into my ear.

185 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:48:36pm

re: #183 DEZes

All I see is a blank link, anybody else?

Some woman in the Lotus position claiming that she will turn her body parts into fire if her house is invaded, lots of "Allah", etc.

I think she may have the atomic clap.

186 gclaghorn  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:49:08pm

re: #184 MandyManners

That voice! I had to stop the video before I shoved a fork into my ear.

Sakes alive, it's driving me insane!

187 Joo-LiZ  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:49:23pm

re: #184 MandyManners

That voice! I had to stop the video before I shoved a fork into my ear.

you could always put it on mute and read the subtitles

just know they are all women.

188 debutaunt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:49:47pm

re: #185 jwb7605

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahaaaa

189 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:50:29pm

re: #187 Joo-LiZ

you could always put it on mute and read the subtitles

just know they are all women.

That's the only way they get any equality in Islam.

190 Age Of Freedom  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:50:53pm

re: #178 Joo-LiZ

[Video]

This is what the IDF is up against in Gaza.

Mother's, daughter's, sister's of Palestine.

Who wants to bet they are tougher than the "men"?

After hearing the bat voice in that unpleasant language, I stopped the video exactly at 2 seconds. That's 2,000 long f milliseconds.

191 DEZes  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:51:13pm

Link shows up now, not sure what was going on.

Just listening to that woman was enough to make me wanna self destruct.

192 gclaghorn  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:52:13pm

re: #191 DEZes

Link shows up now, not sure what was going on.

Just listening to that woman was enough to make me wanna self destruct.

My ears are bleeding.

193 DEZes  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:53:20pm

re: #192 gclaghorn

My ears are bleeding.

Im just glad she didnt feel a song coming on. ;)

194 notutopia  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:53:43pm

re: #191 DEZes

They screech when they rant. The last one in the vid looks perdy hefty to me.

195 Dianna  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:54:25pm

re: #184 MandyManners

That voice! I had to stop the video before I shoved a fork into my ear.

There is justice! I can't get sound from videos, so I can't enjoy music, but I am spared!

196 WhiteRasta  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:55:03pm

Aren't you glad she covered her face? Would have turned you to stone....

197 gop_patriot  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:55:35pm

Well I guess I won't be using Safari on this computer to log in to LGF. Crashed every time I tried to log in. UGH I need a new Mac! :/ I'll have to stay with FF2, security issues and all. *sigh*

On the bright side, this is a Power-PC, not an Intel Mac- so I don't think it has the security problems that some of the newer ones do... or is that not correct?

198 DEZes  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:55:36pm

re: #194 notutopia

They screech when they rant. The last one in the vid looks perdy hefty to me.

And they seethe when they screech.
A hefty huh, Does hefty make burkas?

199 Joo-LiZ  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:55:43pm

re: #195 Dianna

lol... it really is a horrible noise.

I'd say I feel sorry for her husband. But odds are, he deserves it.

Maybe that explains why so many Pali's are so crazy?

200 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:56:42pm

re: #195 Dianna

There is justice! I can't get sound from videos, so I can't enjoy music, but I am spared!

Made every hair on the back of my neck stand up straight.

201 WhiteRasta  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:56:52pm

re: #199 Joo-LiZ

No, so many palis are crazy because they breed with their cousins and sisters.

202 DEZes  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:56:55pm

re: #199 Joo-LiZ
LMAO!

203 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:57:56pm

re: #178 Joo-LiZ

This is what the IDF is up against in Gaza.

Mother's, daughter's, sister's of Palestine.

Who wants to bet they are tougher than the "men"?

JooLiz -

I do - would their toughness be better directed - were it - this nonsense would be over.

-S-

204 Dianna  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:59:06pm

re: #199 Joo-LiZ

lol... it really is a horrible noise.

I'd say I feel sorry for her husband. But odds are, he deserves it.

Maybe that explains why so many Pali's are so crazy?

Well, having watched it, all I can say is that, before the lady with the white sheet over her face manages to blow herself up, she's probably going to shoot the woman next to her, first.

This was not text-book safe firearms handling.

205 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:59:25pm

re: #203 Dr. Shalit

JooLiz -

I do - would their toughness be better directed - were it - this nonsense would be over.

-S-

The hand that rocks the cradle,...

206 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:59:32pm

re: #178 Joo-LiZ

This is what the IDF is up against in Gaza.

Mother's, daughter's, sister's of Palestine.

Who wants to bet they are tougher than the "men"?

Everything they were promising to do, they should be doing right about now.

*****crickets*****

207 notutopia  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:00:26pm

re: #198 DEZes

And they seethe when they screech.
A hefty huh, Does hefty make burkas?

She will end up in a hefty bag, not wearing one, if she succeeds at her martyrly mission.

208 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:01:08pm

re: #181 MandyManners

CNN is interviewing a Jordyptian shrink from Gaza saying how upset everyone is. Why not interview an Israeli shrink who can talk about the trauma of living under constant threat of a freakin' rocket attack?

That deviates from the meme and is therefore not allowed.

209 BBev  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:01:18pm

re: #197 gop_patriot

Well I guess I won't be using Safari on this computer to log in to LGF. Crashed every time I tried to log in. UGH I need a new Mac! :/ I'll have to stay with FF2, security issues and all. *sigh*

On the bright side, this is a Power-PC, not an Intel Mac- so I don't think it has the security problems that some of the newer ones do... or is that not correct?

Hell I'm using an 8 year old lap top and IE7 has not worked for me in months. I would buy a new one but I'm to cheep to do it.

210 Joo-LiZ  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:01:22pm

Muqata reports:

11:51 PM Reports that all IDF soldier's operating Gaza, had their cellphones confiscated by IDF prior to ground incursion to prevent intelligence leaks (as happened in the Second Lebanon War). Additional reports that IDF is broadacasting interference to all Gaza TV and radio channels.

Interesting.

211 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:01:38pm

re: #205 MandyManners

The hand that rocks the cradle,...

Mandy -

Like basically - See: Lysistrada.

-S-

212 DEZes  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:04:13pm

re: #207 notutopia

She will end up in a hefty bag, not wearing one, if she succeeds at her martyrly mission.

It may take more than one bag for number 3.

213 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:04:32pm

Hamashole "spokesman" "accuses Israel of targeting civilians".

And of course, we all know how much Hamas disapproves of targeting civilians, right?

214 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:05:36pm

re: #196 WhiteRasta

Aren't you glad she covered her face? Would have turned you to stone....

/Joe says

215 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:06:12pm

re: #208 Sharmuta

That deviates from the meme and is therefore not allowed.

One reporter talked about the rockets Hamas has hidden away. Surprised me.

216 notutopia  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:06:35pm

re: #212 DEZes

It may take more than one bag for number 3.

Seriously hefty. They must have searched all of Gaza to find the most masculine built woman to use for this vid.

217 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:06:41pm

Oh, fuck you again, CNN. "This is a David and Goliath situation", says talking head idiot, because the poor Palis really should have, I dunno, nukes I suppose.

218 gmsc  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:06:51pm

My mom was watching the news and singing, "Hamas, Hamas, Hamas has hit the sauce!"

Strange, but it works for me.

219 Crimsonfisted  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:07:06pm
Al-Jazzeera on Hamas propaganda

Israel Radio just brought us a report from Al-Jazzeera's English-language correspondent on a roof in Gaza City. The correspondent warned not to believe any Hamas casualty figures because they're all lies.

Just thought you might like to know.

Something else happened during that report, but I'm not discussing it yet. Hang in there.


From Carl in Jerusalem

220 CIA Reject  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:07:49pm

re: #213 Occasional Reader

Hamashole "spokesman" "accuses Israel of targeting civilians".

And of course, we all know how much Hamas disapproves of targeting civilians, right?

Actually they are very much against their ENEMY'S "targeting" of civilians - that's why the cowards hide among them!

*SPIT*

221 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:08:38pm

re: #210 Joo-LiZ

Muqata reports:

Interesting.

Very.
The IDF must have taken note of what happened in Mumbai, when the terrorists were using links to cellphones/twitter to see what the security forces were up to.

Well done the IDF!

222 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:09:07pm

Footage of IDF M-1A1 tanks with mounted Ma Deuces... warms the cockles of my (bwaaahahaha) neocon heart.

223 WhiteRasta  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:09:11pm

re: #217 Occasional Reader

They really, really want us to lose to the barbarians.

224 DEZes  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:09:14pm

CNN's reporters should put "I heart Hamas" stickers on their shirts.

225 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:09:42pm

re: #222 Occasional Reader

Footage of IDF M-1A1 tanks with mounted Ma Deuces... warms the cockles of my (bwaaahahaha) neocon heart.

(My bad, Merkava tanks)

226 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:09:50pm

re: #215 MandyManners

One reporter talked about the rockets Hamas has hidden away. Surprised me.

Well- that's easy enough to spin. hamas had to hide their rockets because of those mean, terrible Zionists.

227 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:10:32pm

re: #211 Dr. Shalit

Mandy -

Like basically - See: Lysistrada.

-S-

The lack of Mama-Bear attitude has been one of the things that's puzzled me the most.

228 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:11:30pm

re: #222 Occasional Reader

Footage of IDF M-1A1 Merkava Mk4 tanks

/fixed that for ya

229 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:11:45pm

re: #226 Sharmuta

Well- that's easy enough to spin. hamas had to hide their rockets because of those mean, terrible Zionists.

No, it was more along the lines of how Hamas is armed to the teeth.

230 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:12:12pm

re: #229 MandyManners

No, it was more along the lines of how Hamas is armed to the teeth.

But I thought they were starving. ////////

231 gmsc  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:12:56pm

re: #230 Sharmuta

But I thought they were starving. ////////

They are. All the money sent to feed them is spent on rockets.

232 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:13:20pm

re: #230 Sharmuta

But I thought they were starving. ////////

All the powdered milk blew up

233 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:13:23pm

re: #230 Sharmuta

But I thought they were starving. ////////

They showed Gazans unloading aid trucks.

234 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:13:33pm

Btw - I've complained to the Beeb again, about their biased reporting.
Not that anything will come of it ...

235 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:13:59pm

re: #231 gmsc

They are. All the money sent to feed them is spent on rockets.

I bet they could make corn meal into a weapon.

236 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:14:23pm

re: #231 gmsc

They are. All the money sent to feed them is spent on rockets.

They are not starving. I have yet to see one palestinian child look anything like the children we see starving in Africa.

237 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:14:25pm

re: #234 yma o hyd

Btw - I've complained to the Beeb again, about their biased reporting.
Not that anything will come of it ...

Do you have to pay the tax for it?

238 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:14:49pm

re: #233 MandyManners

They showed Gazans unloading aid trucks.

They get tons of flour.

239 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:15:20pm

re: #238 Sharmuta

They get tons of flour.

And, buttah?

240 WhiteRasta  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:15:41pm

re: #234 yma o hyd

Mate, the beeb is not biased. The beeb is 100% on the side of the enemy.

241 greginseattle  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:15:44pm

No one has answered the question about how Charles does all of this programming on this site... he MUST be independently wealthy. Was he a big Dot Com winner?

242 CIA Reject  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:15:51pm

re: #235 MandyManners

I bet they could make corn meal into a weapon.

Actually corn meal can cause some pretty nasty explosions...

243 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:16:21pm

re: #236 Sharmuta

They are not starving. I have yet to see one palestinian child look anything like the children we see starving in Africa.

You don't understand... they hunger, to commit genocide. How dare you impose your shallow Western ideas of "hunger" on them!

244 WhiteRasta  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:16:35pm

re: #241 greginseattle

If you know the secret you will be killed......

245 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:16:36pm

re: #241 greginseattle

I don't think it's any of our business.

246 SWPaul  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:16:56pm

Here's another anti-Israel piece: Not as shrill, but just as short-sighted and idiotic:
Dem leaders out of step with voters on Israel's attack on Gaza

Is there any other significant issue in American political life, besides Israel, where citizens split almost evenly in their views, yet the leaders of both parties adopt identical positions which leave half of the citizenry with no real voice?


Yeah, the bailout, jackass.

Not only does Rasmussen find that Americans generally "are closely divided over whether the Jewish state should be taking military action against militants in the Gaza Strip" (44 percent to 41 percent, with 15 percent undecided), but Democratic voters overwhelmingly oppose the Israeli offensive -- by a 24-point margin


Well, seems to still be a majority of people supporting this so..... shut the hell up? What this idiot doesn't understand is that the 41% are fully represented- by their own leaders. Commies, Nazis, eco-nuts, anti-war extremists all have their own leaders who will tell them what to support and what to oppose. What those leaders need is validation from a major political party, but even with the Democrats moving more and more to the left, it's not going to happen. Most Democrats still know that the far-far left are morons and should not be supported. Then there are those that don't like war, don't know what's really going on over there and how brutal Hamas is, and how awesome Israel is because a certain mass American media keeps them in the dark.

By stark contrast, Republicans, as one would expect (in light of their history of supporting virtually any proposed attack on Arabs and Muslims), overwhelmingly support the Israeli bombing campaign (62 percent to 27 percent)


For lack of better words, fuck you. I don't support any attack on Arabs or Muslims, I support attacks on terrorists. If the IRA had bombed us on 9/11, by God I'd support destroying the IRA, doesn't mean I hate the Irish. I don't care if a terrorist is a white guy with blond hair blue eyes, he's a freaking terrorist and deserves justice. I'm not a Republican and that author's statement really makes me angry. Republicans aren't racists, they aren't fascists, they just realize that a country that has been under attack every year since its creation has the right to defend itself once in awhile. And if it also means taking out a major terrorist group, all the better.

247 Kragar  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:16:58pm

Well, after 2 days of Prilosec, my stomach feels 100% better. Feels like crisis averted.

248 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:17:21pm

re: #237 MandyManners

Do you have to pay the tax for it?

Yeah - its not called 'tax', its called 'licence fee' ...
Heh - I actually reminded them of that fact in my complaint, they're my employees!

Gah - a blydi Pali spokesman just called Mark Regev, the israeli Government spokesman a liar - openly, on the Beeb.

Unbelievable!

249 Dianna  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:17:59pm

re: #217 Occasional Reader

Oh, fuck you again, CNN. "This is a David and Goliath situation", says talking head idiot, because the poor Palis really should have, I dunno, nukes I suppose.

Don't give them any ideas!
/

250 BBev  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:18:58pm

re: #242 CIA Reject

Actually corn meal can cause some pretty nasty explosions...

Ya and methane from pigs can also.

251 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:19:03pm

Any word from cair?

252 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:19:03pm

re: #242 CIA Reject

Actually corn meal can cause some pretty nasty explosions...

The Jolly Time popcorn storage in Sioux City, Iowa blew up many years ago.
Took out the whole side of the silo and knocked over a train car.

253 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:19:09pm

And now he denies that there were any rocket attacks, and then says that no Israeli was killed anyway - and he calls the IDF incursion a war crime!
I cannot believe that these people are being given a platform.

254 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:19:47pm

re: #222 Occasional Reader

Footage of IDF M-1A1 tanks with mounted Ma Deuces... warms the cockles of my (bwaaahahaha) neocon heart.

"O-R" -

From where? Was not aware the Israelis HAD A1-M1 Tanks. A CHRYSLER TANK is Hamas' Second Worst Nightmare, unless commanded by an IDF Female with HER Dog Aboard - in which same case, it becomes their WORST NIGHTMARE. If it happens - Get Lots of Pictures of it - AND - I hope the Female is a Jewish Ethiopian Refugee as well! Total Humiliation is a BITCH!

-S-

255 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:19:47pm

re: #240 WhiteRasta

Mate, the beeb is not biased. The beeb is 100% on the side of the enemy.

Too true!

256 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:19:47pm

re: #245 Sharmuta

I don't think it's any of our business.

Sharm..What was Charles nominated to this last week? Was it the webbies or something? Top 10 right wing blog sites?
Did you see bad astronomy was nominated for top ten science sites?
Phil runs a really cool pure science blog...
Dang what award Sharm? We gotta vote for LGF

257 gmsc  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:20:13pm

re: #251 Sharmuta

Any word from cair?

They're too busy looking in their thesaurus for synonyms to "evil".

258 greginseattle  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:20:51pm

I don't think it's any of our business.

Possibly, but I can always ask. He is a minor celebrity... It's often hard for public people to keep a high level of secrecy.

You can always ask the question ("Want to go out with me?", "Can I have a raise?", "Will You marry me?") but the answer might be "No" or "It's none of your business"

259 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:21:08pm

re: #246 SWPaul

BY GLEN GREENWALD

Is that the same idiot Charles makes fun of?

260 gclaghorn  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:21:36pm

re: #256 HoosierHoops

Sharm..What was Charles nominated to this last week? Was it the webbies or something? Top 10 right wing blog sites?
Did you see bad astronomy was nominated for top ten science sites?
Phil runs a really cool pure science blog...
Dang what award Sharm? We gotta vote for LGF

The Weblog Awards, I think.

[Link: weblogawards.org...]

261 Dianna  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:21:56pm

re: #235 MandyManners

I bet they could make corn meal into a weapon.

If it's a powder, and it's dry, disperse it in a fairly confined area and make sure it's got plenty of oxygen, then toss a match.

It makes a very impressive boom.

No, I did not conduct this experiment on any (major) scale.

Well, at least the walls were still standing.

262 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:22:14pm

re: #242 CIA Reject

Actually corn meal can cause some pretty nasty explosions...

I bet there's gonna' be a lot of dust in Gaza for a while.

263 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:22:42pm

re: #248 yma o hyd

Yeah - its not called 'tax', its called 'licence fee' ...
Heh - I actually reminded them of that fact in my complaint, they're my employees!

Gah - a blydi Pali spokesman just called Mark Regev, the israeli Government spokesman a liar - openly, on the Beeb.

Unbelievable!

"Blydi"? Bloody?

264 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:23:08pm

Just in, Carl in Jerusalem thanks Charles ...!

265 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:23:23pm

re: #260 gclaghorn

Thank you..Ok lizards..Vote for LGF!

266 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:23:50pm

re: #258 greginseattle

I don't think it's any of our business.

Possibly, but I can always ask. He is a minor celebrity... It's often hard for public people to keep a high level of secrecy.

You can always ask the question ("Want to go out with me?", "Can I have a raise?", "Will You marry me?") but the answer might be "No" or "It's none of your business"

If you must know- I think the Zionist Overlords might be able to help you.

267 CIA Reject  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:23:51pm

re: #252 jwb7605

The Jolly Time popcorn storage in Sioux City, Iowa blew up many years ago.
Took out the whole side of the silo and knocked over a train car.

Yup - stuff like that happens more often than you'd think. Fortunately the ability to weaponize it is beyond the engineering capabilities of most terrorists.

268 SWPaul  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:23:52pm

re: #259 MandyManners

Probably. The guy's kids could make fun of him.

269 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:24:11pm

re: #252 jwb7605

The Jolly Time popcorn storage in Sioux City, Iowa blew up many years ago.
Took out the whole side of the silo and knocked over a train car.

There must have been thousands of tiny secondary explosions....

270 gclaghorn  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:24:35pm

ATTENTION LIZARDS:

Charles is a finalist for the Best Conservative Weblog Awards!

[Link: 2008.weblogawards.org...]

Voting begins on Monday. Also, JammieWearingFool is a finalist for Best Large Weblog.

271 gmsc  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:24:49pm

re: #261 Dianna

If it's a powder, and it's dry, disperse it in a fairly confined area and make sure it's got plenty of oxygen, then toss a match.

It makes a very impressive boom.

No, I did not conduct this experiment on any (major) scale.

Well, at least the walls were still standing.

To heck with the corn - use the fertilizer!

Can you imagine if the Palestinians had access to ammonium perchlorate?

(Warning: Narrator repeatedly demonstrates an inability to pronounce "Nevada" correctly.)

272 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:24:57pm

re: #261 Dianna

If it's a powder, and it's dry, disperse it in a fairly confined area and make sure it's got plenty of oxygen, then toss a match.

It makes a very impressive boom.

No, I did not conduct this experiment on any (major) scale.

Well, at least the walls were still standing.

I'll be sure not to let The Kid know. He wants to make stuff go "boom".

273 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:25:04pm

re: #217 Occasional Reader

Oh, fuck you again, CNN. "This is a David and Goliath situation", says talking head idiot, because the poor Palis really should have, I dunno, nukes I suppose.

Once again the FMSM perverts scripture to fit their own agenda. Don't the bleeping talking heads realize that David was Jewish?

274 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:25:19pm

re: #263 MandyManners

"Blydi"? Bloody?

Yep - spelled phonetically, using Welsh alphabet :-)

275 opnion  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:25:35pm

I have the football game on, so I am out of the loop.
Did the Senior leadership oh Hamas already surrender & the people take to the streets thanking Israel for their liberation?

276 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:25:38pm

re: #268 SWPaul

Probably. The guy's kids could make fun of him.

Something about a sock puppet.

277 gclaghorn  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:26:16pm

re: #276 MandyManners

Something about a sock puppet.

Oh, now I remember. Didn't he have some kind of obsession with LGF?

278 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:26:24pm

re: #274 yma o hyd

Yep - spelled phonetically, using Welsh alphabet :-)

Bleeding 'ell! Welsh?!? ;)

279 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:26:39pm

re: #264 yma o hyd

Just in, Carl in Jerusalem thanks Charles ...!

from the (updated) link:

Israel Radio reported tonight that Hamas admitted that it cannot win a war against Israel. But it hopes that in the next few days, the IDF will see that it cannot control the rocket fire and that it cannot accomplish its goals.


How is CNN or BBC going to spin that? (emphasis mine)
That's basically saying "we can't win but we're going to keep trying to kill you"

280 BBev  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:27:23pm
281 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:27:34pm

re: #242 CIA Reject

Actually corn meal can cause some pretty nasty explosions...

Corn meal and flour can be detonated with almost as much power as gunpowder if you know what to do.

282 Dianna  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:27:44pm

re: #272 MandyManners

I'll be sure not to let The Kid know. He wants to make stuff go "boom".

You have my deepest sympathies. To say nothing of my mother's. She - poor woman - didn't find out about some of my more...energetic?...activities until well after I'd left home. Good thing. She had enough to worry about.

283 GregInSeattle  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:28:02pm

re: #266 Sharmuta

Now I know. Or sorta know, cause these guys aren't always so accurate:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

284 Kragar  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:28:13pm

re: #279 jwb7605

How is CNN or BBC going to spin that? (emphasis mine)
That's basically saying "we can't win but we're going to keep trying to kill you"

Pretty sure if Hamas were crushed into a fine paste, then the rocket attacks would be stopped.

285 WhiteRasta  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:28:33pm

re: #274 yma o hyd

A blydi Welshman, you say? Well you can't be all bad, then.

286 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:28:34pm

re: #279 jwb7605

How is CNN or BBC going to spin that? (emphasis mine)
That's basically saying "we can't win but we're going to keep trying to kill you"

The FMSM will spin it that Israel has already lost since world opinion is so strongly against the incursion.

Strange that several Muslim nations (Egypt, for instance) have yet to issue official condemnation of Israel.

287 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:28:38pm

Some nice photos on The Muqata's blog.

Oh, btw, the hamasholes claim they've killed five IDF soldiers ...
Thank God - if thats true - that the 'hell' they promised to prepare is more like a whimper.

288 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:30:01pm

re: #278 FurryOldGuyJeans

Bleeding 'ell! Welsh?!? ;)

Erm, Welsh is the oldest living language in Europe, and yep, we do actually use letters when writing ...

:-))))

289 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:30:22pm

re: #254 Dr. Shalit

"O-R" -

From where? Was not aware the Israelis HAD A1-M1 Tanks.

Already corrected twice above, the first time by me; Merkavas.

290 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:30:29pm

bbiab

291 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:31:03pm

re: #285 WhiteRasta

A blydi Welshman, you say? Well you can't be all bad, then.

Thanks - I hope you don't mind that I'm actually a granny?

292 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:31:10pm

re: #288 yma o hyd

Erm, Welsh is the oldest living language in Europe, and yep, we do actually use letters when writing ...

:-))))

The 'ell you say! ;)

The question is if you use sounds when you speak. :D

///////////////////////////////////

293 Dianna  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:32:21pm

re: #288 yma o hyd

Erm, Welsh is the oldest living language in Europe, and yep, we do actually use letters when writing ...

:-))))

Um...what of Basque?

294 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:32:44pm

re: #217 Occasional Reader

Oh, fuck you again, CNN. "This is a David and Goliath situation", says talking head idiot, because the poor Palis really should have, I dunno, nukes I suppose.

No, they are right. David was from Israel and Goliath was a Philistine (later Palestinian)*. David womped Goliath in the head with a rock and the cut Goliath's head off with Goliath's sword.

*The historical Philistines or Palestinians were of European, most likely Greek origin. Modern Palestinians are of Egyptian Arab or Jordanian Arab origin.

295 gmsc  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:33:37pm

re: #288 yma o hyd

Erm, Welsh is the oldest living language in Europe, and yep, we do actually use letters when writing ...

:-))))

As an added bonus, Wales houses a mountain that's just about the only thing you can find that rhymes with "orange" (Although not in the Welsh pronunciation)!

296 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:33:59pm
297 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:34:11pm

re: #294 David IV of Georgia

No, they are right.

No, they are wrong. They were calling the Palis "David".

298 VegasRick  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:34:15pm

re: #284 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Pretty sure if Hamas were crushed into a fine paste, then the rocket attacks would be stopped.

Yep. Kind of like a fighter saying "I know I can't win this fight but I am going to keep swinging", until he gets knocked out.

299 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:34:33pm

re: #279 jwb7605

How is CNN or BBC going to spin that? (emphasis mine)
That's basically saying "we can't win but we're going to keep trying to kill you"

Beeb is only using the script provided by hamasholes, weepy and emotionally.
So Hamas saying they'll go on killing doesn't register at all.
Much more important are the moonbats, the pali propagandists, and all who want a ceasefire now.

Oh - and of course, its all the fault of Bush - because nobody 'had the courage to put pressure on Israel'.

*Spit*

300 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:34:49pm

re: #263 MandyManners

Mandy -

For what it is worth - the "Modern (Muslim) Middle East" is a product of the end of WW I - AND - the British and French taxpayers unwilling to fund "further adventures."
By the time the Depression hit - "Saudi" - a/k/a The Magic Kingdom - was allowed to be founded by KIM PHILBY's Father - in contravention of Foreign Office directives - as they were the most powerful warlords/cutthroats in the area - and His Britannic Majesty's Government chose NOT to spend money to oppose them as they seemed to present no problem as to OIL Acquisition for the THEN POWERFUL Royal Navy (a/k/a The Senior Service).
Since then - things have changed - and History follows.

-S-

301 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:35:28pm

re: #297 Occasional Reader

No, they are wrong. They were calling the Palis "David".

I know, though I don't watch TV—I was turning their stupidity against them.

302 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:36:14pm

re: #292 FurryOldGuyJeans

The 'ell you say! ;)

The question is if you use sounds when you speak. :D

///////////////////////////////////

Heh.
Quite a lot, actually.
Singing is genetically embedded in Welsh speech and soul.

:-)))

303 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:37:11pm

re: #279 jwb7605

How is CNN or BBC going to spin that? (emphasis mine)
That's basically saying "we can't win but we're going to keep trying to kill you"

jwb7605 -

Here is "THE SPIN" - we survived SO - WE WON. Has worked for every Arab Regime since Gamal Abdul Nasser in 1956.

-S-

304 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:37:21pm

re: #293 Dianna

Hasn't got such a long written record.
First Welsh literature goes back to the dark ages, iirc.

305 eon  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:38:17pm

re: #272 MandyManners

I'll be sure not to let The Kid know. He wants to make stuff go "boom".

The old CIA/Army Special Forces Improvised Munitions Black Book included a how-to on creating dust explosions (which are actually a primitive category of thermobaric munition, about two notches below a FAE). I won't go into details, but it involved any reasonably easily-obtained form of HE and a "cover"; gasoline, flake painter's aluminum, whatever.

Also lighting the fuze and running like hell.

I'd suggest not letting The Kid get his hands on that book, just for your own peace of mind.

cheers

eon

306 nyc redneck  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:38:32pm

re: #181 MandyManners

CNN is interviewing a Jordyptian shrink from Gaza saying how upset everyone is. Why not interview an Israeli shrink who can talk about the trauma of living under constant threat of a freakin' rocket attack?

wonder why the jordyptian shrink isn't helping these people from gaza w/ their psychotic proclivity to hate, hate , hate.
it would be nice if he could make himself useful and address that fundamental disorder.

btw, southern israel has been under attack for the past 8 yrs.
and 80 rockets landed in israel on christmas day.

307 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:38:34pm

re: #294 David IV of Georgia

No, they are right. David was from Israel and Goliath was a Philistine (later Palestinian)*. David womped Goliath in the head with a rock and the cut Goliath's head off with Goliath's sword.

*The historical Philistines or Palestinians were of European, most likely Greek origin. Modern Palestinians are of Egyptian Arab or Jordanian Arab origin.

The FMSM may be correct, but not in the way they intended. The CNN talking head was referring to the Palis as David and the Israelis as Goliath.

308 Dianna  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:39:08pm

re: #304 yma o hyd

Hasn't got such a long written record.
First Welsh literature goes back to the dark ages, iirc.

It does, yes. But the Basques have been there forever.

Welsh is the oldest written language still living in Europe.

I keep advising it to emigrate.

309 opnion  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:39:43pm

re: #303 Dr. Shalit

jwb7605 -

Here is "THE SPIN" - we survived SO - WE WON. Has worked for every Arab Regime since Gamal Abdul Nasser in 1956.

-S-


Several pundits have already said that. It doesn't matter if they get their tails whipped according to this logic. They win if they just are. It's nonsense but the MSM would help them with it.

310 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:40:07pm

re: #307 FurryOldGuyJeans

See #301.

311 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:40:10pm

re: #308 Dianna

It does, yes. But the Basques have been there forever.

Welsh is the oldest written language still living in Europe.

I keep advising it to emigrate.

To make it emigrate just offer a bottle of booze. ;)

312 Dianna  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:40:28pm

I'm going to take a nap.

The Male has to go buy some pork, and I am not venturing near a store.

313 Dianna  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:40:51pm

re: #311 FurryOldGuyJeans

To make it emigrate just offer a bottle of booze. ;)

That's the Irish, FOGJ.

314 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:40:58pm

re: #308 Dianna

It does, yes. But the Basques have been there forever.

Welsh is the oldest written language still living in Europe.

I keep advising it to emigrate.

Its only advisable if one doesn't mind lots of rain and lots of sheep ... and rugby, of course!

315 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:41:10pm
316 WhiteRasta  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:41:12pm

re: #307 FurryOldGuyJeans

>"The CNN talking head was referring to the Palis as David and the Israelis as Goliath...."

Typical liberal idiot think. The victim is the aggressor and the aggressor is the victim.

317 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:41:38pm

re: #307 FurryOldGuyJeans

The FMSM may be correct, but not in the way they intended. The CNN talking head was referring to the Palis as David and the Israelis as Goliath.

"Furry" -

Lemmesee Now - +/- 15 Million Jews in the world - AND - about 1.5 Billion Muslims. Seems to me that the Israelis are "DAVID/Daoud" by several orders of magnitude.

-S-

318 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:41:51pm

re: #310 David IV of Georgia

See #301.

Still doesn't change what you said earlier. ;)

Turning stupidity back onto the FMSM is an exercise in futility, you know; even a few whacks from a cluebat wouldn't alleviate the symptoms they exhibit.

319 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:42:01pm

re: #303 Dr. Shalit

jwb7605 -

Here is "THE SPIN" - we survived SO - WE WON. Has worked for every Arab Regime since Gamal Abdul Nasser in 1956.

-S-

I hear that.
This has to do with a "cease fire" or "truce", though. How does a /sarc large respected by the world network /sarc promote that with one side literally saying "you can't stop us from firing rockets, no matter what".

320 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:42:33pm

re: #309 opnion

opinion -

AND HAVE - so helped them since 1956. That is all.

-S-

321 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:42:55pm

re: #313 Dianna

That's the Irish, FOGJ.

I have known a few emigrated Welsh that would give the Irish a race when it comes to tipping back a pint or 9. ;)

322 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:43:56pm

Gotta go - Madame Dog has been very insistent in the last few minutes, reminding me that the back door is closed, and keeping her legs crossed will soon not be an option!

Seeya tomorrow, all being well, and may God protect israel and all her brave soldiers fighting for her survival right nowI

323 WhiteRasta  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:44:23pm

re: #321 FurryOldGuyJeans

You want to be in London, UK at closing time to see rowdies!

324 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:44:29pm

re: #300 Dr. Shalit

Didn't Philby die in the Soviet Union?

325 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:44:34pm

re: #319 jwb7605

I hear that.
This has to do with a "cease fire" or "truce", though. How does a /sarc large respected by the world network /sarc promote that with one side literally saying "you can't stop us from firing rockets, no matter what".

jwb7605 -

I could answer that question, AND, if I did - I would probably be banned.

-S-

326 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:45:15pm

re: #314 yma o hyd

Its only advisable if one doesn't mind lots of rain and lots of sheep ... and rugby, of course!

Or extraordinarily long and highly descriptive names for towns, apparently.

327 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:45:56pm

re: #305 eon

The old CIA/Army Special Forces Improvised Munitions Black Book included a how-to on creating dust explosions (which are actually a primitive category of thermobaric munition, about two notches below a FAE). I won't go into details, but it involved any reasonably easily-obtained form of HE and a "cover"; gasoline, flake painter's aluminum, whatever.

Also lighting the fuze and running like hell.

I'd suggest not letting The Kid get his hands on that book, just for your own peace of mind.

cheers

eon

Sounds like fun times.

328 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:46:14pm

re: #323 WhiteRasta

You want to be in London, UK at closing time to see rowdies!

No thanks, I see more than enough when the bars close here and they have to throw out the active duty soldiers and airmen. ;)

There would be other reasons I would love to visit the UK, though. :)

329 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:46:35pm

re: #305 eon

The old CIA/Army Special Forces Improvised Munitions Black Book included a how-to on creating dust explosions (which are actually a primitive category of thermobaric munition, about two notches below a FAE). I won't go into details, but it involved any reasonably easily-obtained form of HE and a "cover"; gasoline, flake painter's aluminum, whatever.

Also lighting the fuze and running like hell.

I'd suggest not letting The Kid get his hands on that book, just for your own peace of mind.

cheers

eon

That book has some great stuff, but the techniques can be quite dangerous to the person making such improvised munitions.
It gives you a chance to do some damage and escape from behind enemy lines when you could get killed anyway, but it isn't anything I'd choose to do unless the consequences were worse.

330 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:46:36pm

re: #325 Dr. Shalit

jwb7605 -

I could answer that question, AND, if I did - I would probably be banned.

-S-

Apparently I'll have to figure it out the hard way (by watching)
I'm guessing there's an elephant-in-the-room that I'm missing.

331 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:47:09pm

re: #306 nyc redneck

wonder why the jordyptian shrink isn't helping these people from gaza w/ their psychotic proclivity to hate, hate , hate.
it would be nice if he could make himself useful and address that fundamental disorder.

btw, southern israel has been under attack for the past 8 yrs.
and 80 rockets landed in israel on christmas day.

Did you see the staged photo with a Santa card on top of a bunch of rubble in Gaza? Laughable.

332 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:47:11pm

re: #324 MandyManners

Didn't Philby die in the Soviet Union?

Mandy -

CORRECT - as to PHILBY, Jr. Father Philby should have a Statue in the Public (Execution) Square of Riyadh. He is the true Father of the "Magic Kingdom."

-S-

333 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:48:25pm

re: #324 MandyManners

Didn't Philby die in the Soviet Union?

Moscow, and I believe buried near the Kremlin walls, the highest honor the USSR would give to a Protector of the State.

334 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:48:25pm

In London:

Pro-Hamas protesters attack police at the Israeli Embassy

In addition: Demonstrators hurled shoes at the tall iron gates outside the British prime minister's residence in London on Saturday

Pro-Hamas "protests" and demonstrations all over the world today, apparently.

335 SWPaul  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:48:52pm

re: #326 Fat Jolly Penguin

Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch

WOW!

336 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:48:57pm

re: #330 jwb7605

Apparently I'll have to figure it out the hard way (by watching)
I'm guessing there's an elephant-in-the-room that I'm missing.

jwb7605 -

No Elephant - just intelligent self-censorship.

-S-

337 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:50:11pm
338 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:50:15pm

Steel Industry wants their welfare check, too.. Hey! It's only money, right?

///

339 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:50:42pm

INT!

/eat that Warner!

340 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:50:54pm

re: #332 Dr. Shalit

Mandy -

CORRECT - as to PHILBY, Jr. Father Philby should have a Statue in the Public (Execution) Square of Riyadh. He is the true Father of the "Magic Kingdom."

-S-

Two generations of fuck-ups.

341 smokefire  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:51:00pm

re: #334 reine.de.tout

In London:

Pro-Hamas protesters attack police at the Israeli Embassy

In addition: Demonstrators hurled shoes at the tall iron gates outside the British prime minister's residence in London on Saturday

Pro-Hamas "protests" and demonstrations all over the world today, apparently.

aka Londonistan.

342 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:51:13pm

re: #337 MandyManners

Say that 3 times fast - or even 1 time slow!

343 opnion  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:51:56pm

re: #339 Killian Bundy

INT!

/eat that Warner!

Good game so far. This is the best that the Cardinals have looked in about a month.

344 DEZes  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:52:34pm

re: #337 MandyManners

Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysilio gogogoch

Say that 3 times real fast. ;)

345 DEZes  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:53:02pm

re: #342 ArmyWife

Say that 3 times fast - or even 1 time slow!

GMTA!

346 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:53:10pm
347 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:53:28pm

re: #333 FurryOldGuyJeans

Moscow, and I believe buried near the Kremlin walls, the highest honor the USSR would give to a Protector of the State.

Philby, Blunt and Burgess. Who were the others?

348 smokefire  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:54:02pm

re: #338 ArmyWife

Steel Industry wants their welfare check, too.. Hey! It's only money, right?

///

Gov. of several Democratic States want Federal government bailout of one trillion dollars for education, welfare and infrastructure.

349 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:54:22pm

re: #342 ArmyWife

Say that 3 times fast - or even 1 time slow!

Not even once.

350 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:54:27pm

re: #343 opnion

Good game so far. This is the best that the Cardinals have looked in about a month.

The Edge looked great in the first quarter

351 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:54:56pm

re: #344 DEZes

Severe lack of vowels.

352 opnion  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:55:04pm

re: #346 ploome hineni

Pro-Hamas Protesters in Florida Tell Jews: "Go Back to the Ovens"


hey........let's have more muslim immigration to the USA

Yeah, they seem nice. You know, except from the ovens & your mothers a whore stuff..

353 smokefire  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:55:46pm

re: #351 MandyManners

Severe lack of vowels.

Alex I would like to buy an I

354 opnion  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:55:53pm

re: #350 HoosierHoops

The Edge looked great in the first quarter

yup

355 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:55:56pm

re: #347 MandyManners

Philby, Blunt and Burgess. Who were the others?

Kim Philby, along with Donald Maclean, Guy Burgess, Anthony Blunt and John Cairncross.

356 notutopia  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:56:20pm

re: #247 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, after 2 days of Prilosec, my stomach feels 100% better. Feels like crisis averted.

Amen. Kragar. BTW, I was not joking when I suggested the PeptoBismol.
I'm glad to hear you're more comfortable and doing much better!

357 eon  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:57:01pm

re: #316 WhiteRasta

>"The CNN talking head was referring to the Palis as David and the Israelis as Goliath...."

Typical liberal idiot think. The victim is the aggressor and the aggressor is the victim.

The same way they frame crime stories. "He couldn't help robbing that store, murdering everyone in it, and setting fire to it- he came from a broken home."

Big hooping deal. A cousin of mine came from a one parent home. He's happily married, has two great kids, just retired after thirty in the Air Force, and is getting an office with a view as a development supervisor at Lockheed.

It's not where you're from, it's what you make of what you are. Look at Israel now vs where it was in 1947.

Now look at the "Palestinians".

Israel took a desert and turned it into a garden. With no noticeable help from anybody.

The Palestinians, with the rest of the Islamic world behind them have, in 60 years, accomplished exactly...squat. Except raising their children to hate, to kill, and to celebrate when "infidels" die.

I've said before that culture is the deciding factor, more than anything else. My cousin comes from a culture where who your parents are isn't as important as what you can do. The typical Hamashole comes from a culture where you are expected to avenge a slight to your several-times-great grandpappy's second cousin on his mother's side of the house by killing somebody you don't know from Adam's off ox. And your family will "help" you do it, even (or especially) if it will get you killed in the process.

That's what you get from an entire culture that is not merely "dysfunctional", but sociopathic.

As for the "progressives" over here, as L. Neil Smith once observed, they think failure is romantic. And that success means you cheated. (Unless, of course, you became a "success" by letting them tell you what to do.) By their standards, the fact that the Palestinians have produced nothing but hatred and wanton destruction for two-thirds of a century, coupled with their intense hatred of the West in any form, makes them the de facto "good guys".

This is more of a commentary on the "progressives" than it is on reality, IMHO.

cheers

eon

358 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:57:06pm

re: #346 ploome hineni

Pro-Hamas Protesters in Florida Tell Jews: "Go Back to the Ovens"

hey........let's have more muslim immigration to the USA

In Florida?
This should qualify as "hate speech", one would think. I'll be curious to see what sort of "hate speech" action is taken. Not holding my breath, though.

359 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:57:19pm
360 jamgarr  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:58:19pm

re: #337 MandyManners

Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysilio gogogoch

Sounds like Barbarella

361 SWPaul  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:58:21pm

re: #352 opnion

In fact, that's a better reception than when my father met his mother-in-law.

Just the fact they have kids there and are teaching them that vile garbage, that just sucks.

362 nyc redneck  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:58:23pm

re: #331 MandyManners

Did you see the staged photo with a Santa card on top of a bunch of rubble in Gaza? Laughable.

anything to try for sympathy as they continue trying to kill.

363 Maximu§  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:59:03pm

re: #341 smokefire

aka Londonistan.

Everyone of those POS's should be deported to their country of birth or wherever their parents came from.

364 WhiteRasta  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:59:12pm

re: #357 eon

Right on the money, brother....

365 smokefire  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:00:06pm

re: #357 eon

................yeah and the real sad part, is in 48, there was suppose to be 2 countries, a Jewish State AND a Palestinian State. half a loaf is better than one, but greedy goat screwers wanted it all, and now they have nothing.

366 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:01:08pm

re: #365 smokefire

................yeah and the real sad part, is in 48, there was suppose to be 2 countries, a Jewish State AND a Palestinian State. half a loaf is better than one, but greedy goat screwers wanted it all, and now they have nothing.

Then Israel was forced to give back land to assure peace and has known nothing but rockets and mortars since.

367 opnion  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:01:10pm

re: #359 ploome hineni

these are your NEIGHBORS

AMERICANS

in FortLauderdale............Florida

your friendly neighbors

the ones who smile and say good morning to you

go to school with you

drink a beer or two with you

I do not want to over do it , but many of our fellow Americans of the RoP persuasion, don't feel the love for this country.

368 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:01:32pm

re: #348 smokefire

saw that - we discussed it yesterday. Anyone else seeing a common thread in those wanting bailout cash?

Chrysler and GM - UAW
Newspapers - Writers Guild and Teamsters
Steel Industry - United Steelworkers
Governments (admittedly in largely Blue states) - SEIU
Public Education - SEIU, NEA, AFT

hmmmm...now what could it BE that ties all these organizations together?

369 SWPaul  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:01:47pm

re: #362 nyc redneck

Or maybe "Santa" needs some serious psychological treatment and they were just pointing him out.

370 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:02:19pm

re: #368 ArmyWife

saw that - we discussed it yesterday. Anyone else seeing a common thread in those wanting bailout cash?

Chrysler and GM - UAW
Newspapers - Writers Guild and Teamsters
Steel Industry - United Steelworkers
Governments (admittedly in largely Blue states) - SEIU
Public Education - SEIU, NEA, AFT

hmmmm...now what could it BE that ties all these organizations together?

I don't see that there is a "union" of any common ground in those organizations. ;)

371 eon  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:02:29pm

re: #329 Kosh's Shadow

That book has some great stuff, but the techniques can be quite dangerous to the person making such improvised munitions.
It gives you a chance to do some damage and escape from behind enemy lines when you could get killed anyway, but it isn't anything I'd choose to do unless the consequences were worse.

Tell me about it. I ran across it while in arson investigation training. Along with the other 1960's/70's Radical's Handy Guide To Self-Immolation, The Anarchist's Cookbook.

I actually used to have to deal with people who tried some of that s#!t- in furtherance of the "Glorious World People's Socialist Revolution". Mainly preparing the evidence exhibits for the prosecution when they went to trial.

/The Seventies were a very weird time here in OH.

cheers

eon

372 SWPaul  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:03:17pm

re: #368 ArmyWife

All have vowels in their names?.....
/

373 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:03:19pm

re: #340 MandyManners

Two generations of fuck-ups.

Mandy -

Got that right!

-S-

374 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:03:28pm

re: #371 eon

/The Seventies were a very weird time here in OH.

cheers

eon

The 70's were weird all over, not just OH. ;)

375 smokefire  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:03:33pm

re: #366 FurryOldGuyJeans

Land for peace never worked. All they know is naked force, so now they must face naked force. May all of Hamas become worm chow.

376 opnion  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:03:53pm

re: #361 SWPaul

In fact, that's a better reception than when my father met his mother-in-law.

Just the fact they have kids there and are teaching them that vile garbage, that just sucks.

What is the story on the mother in law?

377 smokefire  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:04:40pm

re: #368 ArmyWife

..............how long do I have before I have to answer that question?

378 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:04:43pm

re: #375 smokefire

Land for peace never worked. All they know is naked force, so now they must face naked force. May all of Hamas become worm chow.

Lebensraum didn't work with Hitler; it certainly ain't working with Hamas and the Palestinians.

379 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:06:21pm

re: #371 eon

Tell me about it. I ran across it while in arson investigation training. Along with the other 1960's/70's Radical's Handy Guide To Self-Immolation, The Anarchist's Cookbook.

I actually used to have to deal with people who tried some of that s#!t- in furtherance of the "Glorious World People's Socialist Revolution". Mainly preparing the evidence exhibits for the prosecution when they went to trial.

/The Seventies were a very weird time here in OH.

cheers

eon

I've heard "The Anarchists' Cookbook" as only being useful for cooking anarchists. Supposedly, the people who wrote it never tested what they put in the book. I believe it, because they'd probably have been dead before they could finish it.

At least the Improvised Munitions Manual had been tested. It was dangerous, but as I said, if the alternative is execution as a spy, at least it gives you a chance.

380 SWPaul  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:06:35pm

re: #376 opnion

German woman, survived two world wars, lost most of her family in the second one to the Holocaust. My dad was a drinker, just got out of the Navy, went to college and met my mother. He got drunk and missed his train to get to my mom's house. He had to call my mom and get my oma to drive across New York and pick him up in the snow. I think she was a little angry.

381 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:06:41pm

re: #368 ArmyWife

hmmmm...now what could it BE that ties all these organizations together?

Why, a commitment to progressive social justice, naturally.

382 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:06:59pm

re: #377 smokefire

As long as you need. Just remember though, I am humming the jeopardy theme while I'm waiting, which may drive all of us insane eventually!

383 smokefire  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:07:07pm

re: #378 FurryOldGuyJeans

Lebensraum didn't work with Hitler; it certainly ain't working with Hamas and the Palestinians.

.......................not when no one is working in normal jobs in Gaza.

384 LeePro  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:07:31pm

re: #296 ploome hineni

he was a palestinian just like Jesus

Historical detail is very helpful, via sub-links within.

Excerpts:

Bethlehem is the traditional birthplace of David, the second king of Israel, and the place where he was anointed king by Samuel.
Between 132-135 the city was occupied by the Romans after its capture during the Bar Kokhba Revolt. Its Jewish residents were expelled by the military orders of Hadrian.
In 637, shortly after Jerusalem was captured by the Muslim armies...
In 1099, Bethlehem was captured by the Crusaders, who fortified it and built a new monastery and cloister on the north side of the Church of the Nativity.


/Jesus is not the enemy ...jus' sayin'.
;)

385 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:07:32pm

re: #382 ArmyWife

As long as you need. Just remember though, I am humming the jeopardy theme while I'm waiting, which may drive all of us insane eventually!

Short trip for some here. ;)

386 ArmyWife  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:08:03pm

re: #381 Occasional Reader

Don't forget looking out for the common man!

387 opnion  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:08:05pm

The last time I don't know how a bunch of lesbians gave Israel such a fight.
Oh wait, Lebanese. Oh well, that's different.

388 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:08:12pm

re: #379 Kosh's Shadow

I've heard "The Anarchists' Cookbook" as only being useful for cooking anarchists. Supposedly, the people who wrote it never tested what they put in the book

IIRC it's not "the people", it's "the person", who was literally one high school kid.
He more or less made it up, partly gleaned from what he could read at the public library, basically.

389 smokefire  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:09:16pm

re: #382 ArmyWife

As long as you need. Just remember though, I am humming the jeopardy theme while I'm waiting, which may drive all of us insane eventually!

..............got it What are Democratic Blue States, Alex?

390 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:09:29pm

re: #365 smokefire

................yeah and the real sad part, is in 48, there was suppose to be 2 countries, a Jewish State AND a Palestinian State. half a loaf is better than one, but greedy goat screwers wanted it all, and now they have nothing.

Ummmmm...there were some who were willing to share but, Haj Amin al-Husseini had their leaders killed.

391 opnion  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:09:29pm

re: #380 SWPaul

German woman, survived two world wars, lost most of her family in the second one to the Holocaust. My dad was a drinker, just got out of the Navy, went to college and met my mother. He got drunk and missed his train to get to my mom's house. He had to call my mom and get my oma to drive across New York and pick him up in the snow. I think she was a little angry.

That would explain it. thank's

392 SWPaul  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:09:40pm

re: #387 opnion

Oh wow, I cannot stop laughing!

393 opnion  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:10:47pm

re: #392 SWPaul

Oh wow, I cannot stop laughing!

Glad ya liked it.

394 smokefire  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:10:52pm

re: #387 opnion

The last time I don't know how a bunch of lesbians gave Israel such a fight.
Oh wait, Lebanese. Oh well, that's different.

ROFLMAO

395 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:11:01pm

re: #388 Occasional Reader

IIRC it's not "the people", it's "the person", who was literally one high school kid.
He more or less made it up, partly gleaned from what he could read at the public library, basically.

The book's author, William Powell, has been trying since 2000 to have the book removed from circulation.

396 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:11:56pm
397 nyc redneck  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:12:12pm

re: #369 SWPaul

Or maybe "Santa" needs some serious psychological treatment and they were just pointing him out.

they were pandering to the west. trying to appear like they had something in common w/ us.

398 smokefire  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:14:37pm

TIME FOR THE 2ND HALF.

399 eon  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:14:42pm

re: #368 ArmyWife

saw that - we discussed it yesterday. Anyone else seeing a common thread in those wanting bailout cash?

Chrysler and GM - UAW
Newspapers - Writers Guild and Teamsters
Steel Industry - United Steelworkers
Governments (admittedly in largely Blue states) - SEIU
Public Education - SEIU, NEA, AFT

hmmmm...now what could it BE that ties all these organizations together?

Hmm. That would be, "What are 'Unions that are big Democratic slush-fund contributors'?" - Cha-chingg!

I'll take "American History" for $200, next, Alex.

cheers

eon

400 onlinegangsta  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:16:48pm

All these pro HamASS rally's seem to have one thing in common (well other than a bunch of moron's protesting...) but...ever notice that the Hamaoids (and their supporters) have the youths?

I mean, watch the video of the protest in NYC....lot's of young people on the Hamas side and on the other side, 4 to 5 middle aged white people.

401 SWPaul  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:17:07pm

re: #397 nyc redneck

Ahhhhh! I get it now! Thanks!

402 LeePro  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:17:58pm

re: #334 reine.de.tout

In London:

Pro-Hamas protesters attack police at the Israeli Embassy

In addition: Demonstrators hurled shoes at the tall iron gates outside the British prime minister's residence in London on Saturday

Pro-Hamas "protests" and demonstrations all over the world today, apparently.

Whatever happened about that "shoe-dump" incident on the expressway yesterday? Something about that story raised HUGE red flags in my mind, and yet... people laughed?

403 SWPaul  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:18:04pm

re: #400 onlinegangsta

Kids don't have jobs to go to.

404 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:18:23pm

re: #400 onlinegangsta

All these pro HamASS rally's seem to have one thing in common (well other than a bunch of moron's protesting...) but...ever notice that the Hamaoids (and their supporters) have the youths?

I mean, watch the video of the protest in NYC....lot's of young people on the Hamas side and on the other side, 4 to 5 middle aged white people.

Protesting Israel is the fashionable thing now, like protesting Apartheid in South Africa used to be.

405 NelsFree  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:19:53pm

re: #83 alegrias

* * *
Hey, Billy Mays here...just doing his job, why hate the man? He's not taking your wallet from you, merely ASKING for your business.

I wrote a skit for my Webelos Den featuring Billy Mays. They wouldn't do it. We sang a song instead.

406 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:20:25pm

re: #403 SWPaul

Kids don't have jobs to go to.

Why bother with being bourgeois when you can be a fun-loving anarchist?

407 gclaghorn  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:21:31pm

re: #406 FurryOldGuyJeans

Why bother with being bourgeois when you can be a fun-loving anarchist?

All the cool kids are doing it!

408 eon  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:24:47pm

re: #379 Kosh's Shadow

I've heard "The Anarchists' Cookbook" as only being useful for cooking anarchists. Supposedly, the people who wrote it never tested what they put in the book. I believe it, because they'd probably have been dead before they could finish it.

At least the Improvised Munitions Manual had been tested. It was dangerous, but as I said, if the alternative is execution as a spy, at least it gives you a chance.

The major objective of the IMBB (as it was explained to me by a former "Green Beanie" I went through training with) was to act as a "teacher's manual" for SpecOps types forming guerrilla bands in enemy territory. He and I concluded that the authors (JFK Special Warfare Center, Ft. Bragg) were thinking in terms of the Philippine and French Resistance during World War Two.

We both agreed that if occupation of any NATO or SEATO country reached an analogous point in the then-present day, the IMBB would only be of interest to future generations as an historical artifact. By the time a "resistance" could be formed in "occupied territory", the likely backers of same (Us, the British, the Russians on the other side, etc.) would all have one thing in common. I.E., we'd all be glowing in the dark, and sort of... dead.

Our overall conclusion was that the Company and the Special Warfare theorists in the Pentagon were busy trying to figure out how to fight World War Two all over again. (But they'd do it smarter, this time!)


Neither one of us had "high confidence" in their probability of success.

cheers

eon

409 Outrider  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:25:50pm

re: #287 yma o hyd

Some nice photos on The Muqata's blog.

Oh, btw, the hamasholes claim they've killed five IDF soldiers ...
Thank God - if thats true - that the 'hell' they promised to prepare is more like a whimper.

Now really. You would think the IDF would know better than to let these clowns roam loose.

12:39 AM Jpost Reports: Police looking for reporter who defied military censor

Police were searching Saturday night for a foreign reporter working for an Iranian TV network who reported the IDF incursion into Gaza before the military authorized the release of the information to the public.

Also Saturday evening, a reporter for the Lebanese LBC network who was broadcasting near the Gaza Strip said the IDF was moving from Nahal Oz towards the Nezarim junction. The reporter surmised that the military was planning to sever the Gaza Strip in half, effectively isolating Gaza City in an effort to minimize Hamas terrorists' ability to exploit urban areas.

The anchor reportedly stood in a vantage point overlooking the IDF staging grounds and reported military maneuvers.

410 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:27:05pm
411 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:27:07pm

re: #36 quickjustice

Who invented the fiction of "proportionate" response anyway? "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth"? That's for civil society, not for the military.

The truth about "proportionate" responses:

"No one ever won a war by dying for his country. You win wars by making the other poor bastard die for his country."

George S. Patton

It's not a fiction. The point of war is to arrive at a better peace, at least from your own point of view. Now almost any peace would be better than a peace which includes daily rocket artillery barrages from Gaza. Still, the best peace would be one in which you didn't have the blood of women and children on your hands. Those who die because they have been chained to Hamas firing positions or ammo depots, their blood is on Hamas' hands. But those who starve? Best to not starve all Gaza just to make Hamas hungry. Hamas will be the last to suffer, and almost certainly international pressure will reach the point that Israel will have to relent, before all of the rest of the Palestinians, and then finally Hamas, are weak from hunger.

412 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:31:13pm

re: #402 LeePro

Whatever happened about that "shoe-dump" incident on the expressway yesterday? Something about that story raised HUGE red flags in my mind, and yet... people laughed?

Didnt see that story.

You know that in arab culture, to show the sole of your shoe to someone is an insult.

413 NelsFree  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:31:30pm

re: #411 lostlakehiker

It's not a fiction. The point of war is to arrive at a better peace, at least from your own point of view. Now almost any peace would be better than a peace which includes daily rocket artillery barrages from Gaza. Still, the best peace would be one in which you didn't have the blood of women and children on your hands. Those who die because they have been chained to Hamas firing positions or ammo depots, their blood is on Hamas' hands. But those who starve? Best to not starve all Gaza just to make Hamas hungry. Hamas will be the last to suffer, and almost certainly international pressure will reach the point that Israel will have to relent, before all of the rest of the Palestinians, and then finally Hamas, are weak from hunger.

INTERNATIONAL PRESSURE BE DAM-NED! If Hamas thinks they can fire rockets without consequences, let the consequences fall where they may!

414 Outrider  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:36:35pm

re: #411 lostlakehiker

It's not a fiction. The point of war is to arrive at a better peace, at least from your own point of view. Now almost any peace would be better than a peace which includes daily rocket artillery barrages from Gaza. Still, the best peace would be one in which you didn't have the blood of women and children on your hands. Those who die because they have been chained to Hamas firing positions or ammo depots, their blood is on Hamas' hands. But those who starve? Best to not starve all Gaza just to make Hamas hungry. Hamas will be the last to suffer, and almost certainly international pressure will reach the point that Israel will have to relent, before all of the rest of the Palestinians, and then finally Hamas, are weak from hunger.

The point of war is to cripple the enemies military and political will to continue to fight in order to achieve your (usually political) goals. This is achieved by maximum violence in the least amount of time. Over the long run, this will usually result in fewer casualties on both sides as well as less real property damage.

415 LeePro  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:43:50pm

re: #412 reine.de.tout

Didnt see that story.

You know that in arab culture, to show the sole of your shoe to someone is an insult.

Exactly!
What I meant!

No story here ...?
Move along ...?

416 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:49:30pm
417 eon  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 4:00:33pm

re: #416 Iron Fist

I could not have said it better myself. Upding.

cheers

eon

418 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 4:42:02pm

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