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1 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:47:39am

Godspeed IDF.

2 Salamantis  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:48:13am

Good! It's about damn time! Let's go IDF!

3 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:48:29am

Dear IDF- don't stop until the mission is complete.

4 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:48:32am
5 Maximu§  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:48:36am

Good Hunting to the IDF's.

6 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:48:58am

The idiot reporter on FNC just said he spent a lot of time with Hamas and they have a whole lot of IED's ready for the IDF. Time for a swift kick in the gonads for him.

7 Sizzlack  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:48:59am

It almost makes me think...

'And the IDF receives the handoff, they're at the 40...the 30...the 20...the 10'

yeah...we're at about the 10 now

8 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:49:16am

I guess this is the Obama invasion. I still cannot figure the point, other than as a test and demonstration that they've learned some lessons since Lebanon. And now we will see if they have. My prayers go with them.

9 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:49:27am

This is going to be the end of Hamas

10 Joo-LiZ  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:49:28am

Go get 'em, IDF.

Stay safe, but do the job!

Don't give in to international pressure, you are doing the right thing, for Israel, for the Palestinians, and for the world at large.

11 akak  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:49:38am

re: #1 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Godspeed IDF.

abosolutely, won't be walk in the park - shooters hiding behind baby carriages & all.

12 Icculus  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:49:48am

I don't want any talk of ceasing fire this time. Lebanon should be a good lesson that you don't make any gains by being nice in this neighborhood.

13 ornery elephant  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:49:49am

May G_d protect the brave soldiers of the IDF.

14 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:49:56am

re: #6 Jetpilot1101

The idiot reporter on FNC just said he spent a lot of time with Hamas and they have a whole lot of IED's ready for the IDF. Time for a swift kick in the gonads for him.

Give him a break, he is a good guy. he is very pro israel and is just doing his job.

15 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:50:00am
16 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:50:08am

re: #8 itellu3times

I guess this is the Obama invasion. I still cannot figure the point, other than as a test and demonstration that they've learned some lessons since Lebanon. And now we will see if they have. My prayers go with them.

I'm with you on that one. I hope they learned their lessons and I pray that none of the IDF forces are killed.

17 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:50:08am

re: #9 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

This is going to be the end of Hamas

I pray you're right.

18 SemperHunden  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:50:21am

If anyone has become proficient at urban operations, it's the IDF. Good luck to them.

19 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:50:38am

re: #14 Nevergiveup

Give him a break, he is a good guy. he is very pro israel and is just doing his job.

He just sounded a little too enthusiastic.

20 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:50:38am

re: #9 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

This is going to be the end of Hamas

Oh, I hope so. With every fibre of my being, I hope so.

21 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:50:51am

re: #6 Jetpilot1101

The idiot reporter on FNC just said he spent a lot of time with Hamas and they have a whole lot of IED's ready for the IDF. Time for a swift kick in the gonads for him.

Did he at least mark them on the map for the IDF?

22 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:50:53am

I asked in the previous thread whether Israel has Amphibious Assault Vehicles.

Attacking Hamas from the sea and meeting the "main" force would be a nice change ...

23 Randall Gross  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:51:26am

Go IDF, let us hope this is a full sweep that will gather all weps, leaders, and destroy the terror network infrastructure.

24 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:51:32am

re: #19 Jetpilot1101

He just sounded a little too enthusiastic.

He is in close proximity to a combat zone -actually with his back to it. I bet he is hyped up!

25 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:51:38am

re: #21 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Did he at least mark them on the map for the IDF?

Let's hope he did so in private.

26 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:51:42am

I expect there are US army observers with them, no telling just when our forces may be in similar situations.

27 ArtistaSLO  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:51:49am

Do well boys! ..God bless em, and keep them safe.

28 bryantms  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:51:52am

God be with them.

29 Crimsonfisted  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:51:55am

All my prayers, IDF.

May God keep you safe and give you the strength to defeat your enemies.

30 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:52:14am

Re-post from thread below:

Israellycool is now blogging again - and the Beeb had some images earlier.
There was a three-hour news black-out, and the IDF says they IDF is going to take some of the launch positions from hamassholes in Northern Gaza.

31 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:52:28am

re: #24 Nevergiveup

He is in close proximity to a combat zone -actually with his back to it. I bet he is hyped up!

Fair enough. I just hope he pointed out the positions to the IDF wen he got back.

32 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:52:32am

Need to go, but one last word:

May God protect the IDF as they fight for their faith and their way of life.

33 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:52:43am

Do it calm and professional, just like in training.
Godspeed!

34 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:52:51am

re: #14 Nevergiveup

Give him a break, he is a good guy. he is very pro israel and is just doing his job.

Well, he was still being stupid with that line. I say we let him off with a SMACK! this time. If he does it again we can revisit the merits of ball-busting.

35 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:53:11am

re: #18 SemperHunden

If anyone has become proficient at urban operations, it's the IDF. Good luck to them.

I hope so. I went through MOUT training in IOBC with a load of Lebanese (Mid-80's). We tried to ask them some for lesson learned from their experiences in Beruit. They refused to talk to us. Bastards, yet our country was paying for them to get our training.

36 Ringo the Gringo  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:53:11am

May God protect the IDF and the innocent children.

37 Manker  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:53:16am

re: #22 jwb7605

I asked in the previous thread whether Israel has Amphibious Assault Vehicles.

Attacking Hamas from the sea and meeting the "main" force would be a nice change ...

I'd rather hope that the Trophy Tank protection systems have been installed.

But good luck to the soldiers, stay safe, and know that all of Israel is with them.

38 winston06  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:53:17am

good luck IDF... I support you!

39 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:53:20am

re: #30 yma o hyd

Re-post from thread below:

Israellycool is now blogging again - and the Beeb had some images earlier.
There was a three-hour news black-out, and the IDF says they IDF is going to take some of the launch positions from hamassholes in Northern Gaza.

But what does that mean - "launch position" can be a back yard, a parking lot, the roof of a hospital.

40 marsl  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:53:24am

All Lizards are now with the IDF.

Good luck to all of them.

41 Boxy_brown  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:53:36am

Good luck guys, come home safe.

42 mini_burkha_fan  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:53:40am

Interesting invading at night. I can't think of a ground assault BEGINNING at nighttime.

43 Randall Gross  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:53:43am

re: #26 itellu3times

I'm hoping so, our forces now have a wealth of experience fighting in "feral cities" that could aid.

44 Lincolntf  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:54:07am

Go get 'em IDF. Rid the world of Hamas.

45 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:54:10am

re: #22 jwb7605

I asked in the previous thread whether Israel has Amphibious Assault Vehicles.

Attacking Hamas from the sea and meeting the "main" force would be a nice change ...

Israel has Amphibious capability and could use them for selective strikes. But it would make no sense to wage a large scale amphibious assault. Amphibious assaults are by nature inherently more dangerous. Israel's problem is not the initial assault, but finding and killing the enemy in an urban environment were the enemy is hiding amongst the populace.

46 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:54:12am

re: #36 Ringo the Gringo

May God protect the IDF and the innocent children.

...all of the innocent.

47 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:54:14am

re: #14 Nevergiveup

Give him a break, he is a good guy. he is very pro israel and is just doing his job.

How do you know that?

48 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:54:15am

re: #3 Sharmuta

Dear IDF- don't stop until the mission is complete.

That needs to be said to the Cabinet.

/micro-managing bastards!

49 Icculus  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:54:17am

re: #23 Thanos

Go IDF, let us hope this is a full sweep that will gather all weps, leaders, and destroy the terror network infrastructure.

While that would be fantastic, it would probably require killing thousands of Gazans, and even at that would just be a good start...

50 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:54:25am

I hope in these last weeks we have seen the sea change in the civilized world's attitude toward murdering islam.

Delenda.

51 winston06  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:54:31am

re: #9 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

i hope so

52 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:54:34am

re: #43 Thanos

I'm hoping so, our forces now have a wealth of experience fighting in "feral cities" that could aid.

You been reading Niven & Pournelle again?

53 CantonJim  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:54:38am

As a prior military officer I pray they execute their plan flawlessly and with a minimum loss of life on the Israeli side.

54 rightymouse  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:54:49am

May G-d watch over the IDF. This isn't going to be an easy mission.

55 Crimsonfisted  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:54:54am

re: #42 mini_burkha_fan

Interesting invading at night. I can't think of a ground assault BEGINNING at nighttime.

Didn't Moses do the very same? And won?

56 Airborn Swine  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:55:05am

God speed boys...finish the job and come home safely.

57 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:55:08am

re: #37 Manker

I'd rather hope that the Trophy Tank protection systems have been installed.

But good luck to the soldiers, stay safe, and know that all of Israel is with them.

What is that?
... and I hope more than Israel is with them. I know I'm with them.

58 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:55:13am

re: #42 mini_burkha_fan

Interesting invading at night. I can't think of a ground assault BEGINNING at nighttime.

Modern Western Armies are capable of doing so... 7th Century barbarians can't see at night.

Makes great sense.

59 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:55:14am

israeli consultate on twitter has also confirmed it - IT'S ON.

Godspeed IDF... fighting for the rest of us , against the barbarians of Islamofascism.

60 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:55:27am

I hope Abu Abbas is taking note.

61 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:55:45am

re: #42 mini_burkha_fan

Interesting invading at night. I can't think of a ground assault BEGINNING at nighttime.

Heh.

62 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:55:53am

re: #60 MandyManners

I hope Abu Abbas is taking note.

I hope shortshit is.

63 winston06  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:56:00am

re: #58 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I think US forces began the OIF at night too (Early Dawn)

64 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:56:22am

re: #47 Sharmuta

How do you know that?

I have been watching him for years and heard him interviewed by others on his experiences in covering combat situations.

65 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:56:30am

re: #57 jwb7605

The Creator is with them.

66 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:56:33am

re: #42 mini_burkha_fan

Interesting invading at night. I can't think of a ground assault BEGINNING at nighttime.

NVG's are a wonderful thing. I'm guessing each IDF soldier is equipped with a pair. I'm postulating that 1 out of 1000 Ham-assholes are equipped with a pair. You do the math on who is going to win at night.

67 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:56:39am

re: #26 itellu3times

I expect there are US army observers with them, no telling just when our forces may be in similar situations.

interesting point. U.S advisers could also be there to give advice , based on experiences in the battle of Fallujah and other urban combat battles in Iraq.

68 SemperHunden  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:56:47am

re: #42 mini_burkha_fan

Interesting invading at night. I can't think of a ground assault BEGINNING at nighttime.

With NVGs, Western armies own the night.

69 Salamantis  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:56:52am

re: #60 MandyManners

I hope Abu Abbas is taking note.

And I hope they find a way to reach into Syria and Lebanon and give Meshaal and Nasrallah the Mugniyeh treatment.

70 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:56:53am

re: #39 itellu3times

But what does that mean - "launch position" can be a back yard, a parking lot, the roof of a hospital.

Yep.
So be prepared for the usual accusations of Israeli 'massacres', while the 'brave' hamassholes hide, as usual, behind children and women.

Using children and women as living shields is, btw a war crime.

/Not that moonbats will ever recognise that!

71 jaunte  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:56:57am

re: #57 jwb7605

Trophy Tank protection system:
[Link: defense-update.com...]

72 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:57:09am

re: #64 Nevergiveup

How do you know he's pro-Israel?

73 albusteve  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:57:13am

I would like to see all press coverage cease inside Gaza proper and their sevices shit down....seems approriate as there will be some ugly stuff goin down very soon...why does the IDF allow this?

74 Randall Gross  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:57:26am

re: #52 itellu3times

You been reading Niven & Pournelle again?

Actually some moonbat mil/intel analysts from London who stole the concept, without understanding the complex factors that create them.

75 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:57:37am

The Muqata is live blogging.

76 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:57:46am

re: #72 Sharmuta

How do you know he's pro-Israel?

re: #47 Sharmuta

How do you know that?

I have been watching him for years and heard him interviewed by others on his experiences in covering combat situations.

77 Sifty  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:57:49am

Let the smiting begin.


May they be watched over and come home safely in victory.

78 SaneInMN  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:57:56am

re: #18 SemperHunden

I imagine the Israelis could learn more from the current US military regarding urban combat than the other way around. We have had a lot of experience learning the hard way as of late.

79 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:58:29am

re: #63 winston06

I think US forces began the OIF at night too (Early Dawn)

0400 local time, a bit earlier for some troops, including some SEAL activity.

80 albusteve  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:58:43am

re: #66 Jetpilot1101

NVG's are a wonderful thing. I'm guessing each IDF soldier is equipped with a pair. I'm postulating that 1 out of 1000 Ham-assholes are equipped with a pair. You do the math on who is going to win at night.

it's the only time to move

81 mini_burkha_fan  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:58:44am

re: #58 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Yes, Western Armies all have NVGs, but I still can't think of examples of ground invasion at night.

82 Manker  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:58:44am

re: #57 jwb7605

What is that?
... and I hope more than Israel is with them. I know I'm with them.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Basically an automated shot gun that can stop anti-tank weapons (either the advanced missiles, RPGs, or whatever other projectile launched to harm an armored vehicle.)

83 Lincolntf  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:59:21am

re: #73 albusteve

Shielding the media (and the world) from the REAL end results of Islamofascism hasn't worked.
PR is important, but sometimes reality is called for.

84 Kragar  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:59:54am

re: #66 Jetpilot1101

NVG's are a wonderful thing. I'm guessing each IDF soldier is equipped with a pair. I'm postulating that 1 out of 1000 Ham-assholes are equipped with a pair. You do the math on who is going to win at night.

Plus the air and armored support will have NV systems as well. To a modern army, night operations are a bonus not a hindrance

85 Dianna  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:59:57am

re: #19 Jetpilot1101

He just sounded a little too enthusiastic.

He's a reporter, and he's got a relevant story. They get a little mono-focused.

86 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:00:03am

re: #78 SaneInMN

I imagine the Israelis could learn more from the current US military regarding urban combat than the other way around. We have had a lot of experience learning the hard way as of late.

exactly. The U.S. military has had a TON of hard , tough, urban combat experience in Iraq.. invaluable experience to share with the IDF.

i wouldnt be surprised if there's a few U.S. Iraq veterans going in right now in IDF uniforms, as advisers...

87 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:00:04am
88 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:00:06am

re: #63 winston06

I think US forces began the OIF at night too (Early Dawn)

Just prior to twilight dates back hundreds of years... why armies stand to just before dawn (much to the chagrin of privates everywhere).

Doing it right after it becomes pitch black requires intensive training and some really fancy equipment. For example, the Germans in WW2 (plenty experienced and well trained) were loath to fight at night.

89 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:00:29am

Prayers for the brave soldiers of the IDF going in.

Compare their bravery to that of the moonbats who 'protest' in front of israeli embassies and think attacking the police is 'brave'.

90 Crimsonfisted  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:00:31am

The houses of three Hamas commanders in #Gaza bombed in the last hour. 8 minutes ago from web

91 soccerdad  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:00:58am

Godspeed IDF.

Does anyone think that Israel's timing has anything to do with our impending change in leadership? (If you don't? Ha -- wake up.)

They are certain that the BHO bus will be on top of them before you know it.

Rain rockets? Reap your rewards!

92 Kragar  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:00:59am

re: #87 Iron Fist

Do we have a pool yet on when the first manufactured "atrocity" al la the "Jenin Massacre" will be reported? I'm sure we won't have long to wait.

Waiting for the first stuffed animal found in the rubble pic

93 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:01:29am

At this time I would just like to encourage all Lizards to keep an eye on their respective neck of the woods. Since this is a global community and the day's after 'friday' in particular along with what is going on in Gaza, I have a feeling that there is most definitely going to be spillover of terrorism popping up now.

Stay alert.

94 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:01:30am

re: #81 mini_burkha_fan

Yes, Western Armies all have NVGs, but I still can't think of examples of ground invasion at night.

Iraq 2 kicked off at night , didnt it? Shock and awe was at night, followed by jump off by armoured divisions.

also remember the sea landings by british commandos - lots of night vision film showing them firing at an iraqi position.

95 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:01:32am

Mustafa Barghouti on FOX now. Gagging time.

96 jemima  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:01:35am

I hate that brave young men and women sacrifice for political stupidity.

97 gyanai  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:01:51am

ISRAEL!

98 albusteve  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:02:01am

re: #83 Lincolntf

Shielding the media (and the world) from the REAL end results of Islamofascism hasn't worked.
PR is important, but sometimes reality is called for.

I dont like any media in a combat zone...very little good can come of it...with respect mon...

99 callahan23  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:02:12am

All the best luck to the IDF. Godspeed.
May all of our brothers in arms return safely.
And good riddance of the Hamassholes.

100 bryantms  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:02:36am

CNN has some live coverage. Haven't been able to find any others:

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

101 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:02:44am

re: #81 mini_burkha_fan

Yes, Western Armies all have NVGs, but I still can't think of examples of ground invasion at night.

You have to be Western, well-equipped, and expertly trained to pull it off. Otherwise you have the world's greatest CF and a lot of Blue on Blue fires.

102 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:02:45am

May God protect the brave IDF soldiers ... our prayers are with them.

103 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:02:50am

re: #62 Sharmuta

I hope shortshit is.

And getting no sleep.

104 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:02:57am

re: #93 Oh no...Sand People!

At this time I would just like to encourage all Lizards to keep an eye on their respective neck of the woods. Since this is a global community and the day's after 'friday' in particular along with what is going on in Gaza, I have a feeling that there is most definitely going to be spillover of terrorism popping up now.

Stay alert.

good advice.

and if you have Jewish friends or neighbours, look out for them. i'm sure they can look after themselves of course, but now might be a time to just watch out for them and offer any help.

105 albusteve  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:03:03am

re: #92 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Waiting for the first stuffed animal found in the rubble pic

no doubt they are stashed and ready for action!

106 notutopia  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:03:28am

Sweep Hamas, destroy the infrastructure and the evil.
Keep your heads low and your powder dry....
I pray for each IDF soldier's safety and for them to remain strong and courageous.

107 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:03:39am
108 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:04:12am

re: #82 Manker

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Basically an automated shot gun that can stop anti-tank weapons (either the advanced missiles, RPGs, or whatever other projectile launched to harm an armored vehicle.)

Absolutely fascinating!
Yup. Hope everything is equipped. Sounds like the most effective solution I've seen.

109 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:04:19am

re: #69 Salamantis

And I hope they find a way to reach into Syria and Lebanon and give Meshaal and Nasrallah the Mugniyeh treatment.

What's that?

110 bryantms  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:04:26am

CNN has a Chief Palestinian Negotiator from the West Bank on their internet stream.

Ugh...ridiculous...

111 bj  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:04:27am

For the Hebrew speakers amongst us you can hear updates here or get the news in readable English: galgalatz

112 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:04:28am

re: #103 MandyManners

And getting no sleep.

I was going to hope he'd run out of clean underwear.

113 SaneInMN  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:04:59am

re: #96 jemima

It will not be a wasted sacrifice if the IDF seriously curtails the ability of HAMAS to kill Israeli civilians (and any other non-believers, for that matter).

114 Quilly Mammoth  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:05:05am

I don't think this is the big push. The IDF spokewoman is saying that it is to clear the northern parts of Gaza of launching pads.

Meanwhile Hamas just lost another leader, Abu Zakaria al-Jamal.

I expect that the IDf will seal the Northern Border first and then turn towards Egypt with teh house to house roach hunt coming a few days from now.

115 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:05:08am

Maybe a solid ground invasion that leads to the dismemberment of Hamas will be the straw that breaks the back of the rest of the populace and they will turn against the terrorists and actually strive for a lasting peace.

116 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:05:13am

re: #109 MandyManners

What's that?


Car bomb goes boom and terrorist goes dead

117 CapeCoddah  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:05:26am

Directly from the IDF website, "Second stage of Operation Cast Lead begins"
[Link: dover.idf.il...]

118 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:05:42am

re: #75 yma o hyd

The Muqata is live blogging.

Good link. Thanks.

119 quickjustice  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:05:49am

The Israelis tried turning Gaza over to the Palestinians in exchange for international agreements. That failed.

Time to re-occupy the territory, and arrest or kill the Hamas operatives. I'd suggest negotiating with Egypt or Jordan to grant citizenship to Gaza residents, permitting them to depart for Egypt or Jordan.

Will it work? Only if Egypt or Jordan agree.

120 miguelj  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:06:00am

They should seize and hold a few of the more thinly-populated parts of Gaza
and not even *discuss* withdrawal till Gilad Shalit is freed.

121 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:06:54am

Erakat is on CNN..what a jerk! This can't be solved by military actions..we have no army, navy ect..He forgot the mention 8 years of rockets.
GO IDF! MAY GOD GIVE YOU STRENGTH TO BECOME VICTORIOUS !

122 albusteve  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:06:59am

re: #114 Quilly Mammoth

I don't think this is the big push. The IDF spokewoman is saying that it is to clear the northern parts of Gaza of launching pads.

Meanwhile Hamas just lost another leader, Abu Zakaria al-Jamal.

I expect that the IDf will seal the Northern Border first and then turn towards Egypt with teh house to house roach hunt coming a few days from now.

I suspect you are exactly right...a slow and cautious movement south to let the population swell at the Philly corridor....

123 irongrampa  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:07:09am

Honestly, I don't want or need a blow by blow account of this.
All I need is a statement that "after X days of fighting, Hamas and affiliates have ceased to exist".
As far as world opinion goes, a rope and urine comes to mind.

124 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:07:09am

re: #119 quickjustice

The Israelis tried turning Gaza over to the Palestinians in exchange for international agreements. That failed.

Time to re-occupy the territory, and arrest or kill the Hamas operatives. I'd suggest negotiating with Egypt or Jordan to grant citizenship to Gaza residents, permitting them to depart for Egypt or Jordan.

Will it work? Only if Egypt or Jordan agree.

The Cubs will win the World Series before Egypt or Jordan ever agrees to that!

125 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:07:37am

re: #92 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Waiting for the first stuffed animal found in the rubble pic

Did you see the pristine Santa card in the rubble posted here the other day? Yeah. Santa in Gaza.

126 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:08:04am

re: #119 quickjustice

The Israelis tried turning Gaza over to the Palestinians in exchange for international agreements. That failed.

Time to re-occupy the territory, and arrest or kill the Hamas operatives. I'd suggest negotiating with Egypt or Jordan to grant citizenship to Gaza residents, permitting them to depart for Egypt or Jordan.

Will it work? Only if Egypt or Jordan agree.

Publicly, with as much press coverage as possible.
(Smoke everybody out)

127 Salamantis  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:08:11am

re: #109 MandyManners

What's that?

Imad Mugniyeh was assassinated by a car bomb in Syria.

128 psyop  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:08:36am

I wish the IDF well in their mission.

Urban warfare sucks. Especially when (like the U.S.) the soldiers on the ground are taking such extraordinary measures to not harm innocents.

I wish people understood how easy it would be for Israel to absolutely destroy Hamas and their followers if they truly didn't care about causing unnecessary death and destruction. I wish people understood how much restraint is being shown by the IDF and the US Armed Forces in not bringing the full weight of our weaponry to bear.

129 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:08:37am

re: #112 Sharmuta

I was going to hope he'd run out of clean underwear.

Psychopaths don't scare.

130 Quilly Mammoth  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:08:39am

Berlin's Holocaust Memorial Vandalized.


Berlin police say vandals have daubed swastikas on some of the slabs that make up the German capital's Holocaust memorial.

131 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:08:54am

This guy Mustafa is a one horse pony. Same sob story for any question

132 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:08:58am

re: #115 Jetpilot1101

Maybe a solid ground invasion that leads to the dismemberment of Hamas will be the straw that breaks the back of the rest of the populace and they will turn against the terrorists and actually strive for a lasting peace.

That is my fervent hope.

133 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:09:14am

re: #123 irongrampa

And simple capillary action does not qualify as success.

134 bj  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:09:22am

re: #119 quickjustice

The Israelis tried turning Gaza over to the Palestinians in exchange for international agreements. That failed.

Time to re-occupy the territory, and arrest or kill the Hamas operatives. I'd suggest negotiating with Egypt or Jordan to grant citizenship to Gaza residents, permitting them to depart for Egypt or Jordan.

Will it work? Only if Egypt or Jordan agree.

Israel, per se, doesn't want to "occupy" gaza, she just wants the daily barrage of rockets and missiles to stop and life to become what should be normal with secure borders. Enough is enough. She is cleaning the sewer as it was. I'm tired of the daily booms and whizes and pings those things make and having family hunkered in bomb shelters. Feh!

135 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:09:22am

re: #117 CapeCoddah

Directly from the IDF website, "Second stage of Operation Cast Lead begins"
[Link: dover.idf.il...]

Operation Cast Lead?

I like, good name.

136 pat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:09:27am

Kill the Hamas Rabbit. Cure the Demented Sara.

137 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:09:44am

re: #116 Nevergiveup

Car bomb goes boom and terrorist goes dead

I don't like car bombs. I'd prefer a bullet between the eyes for them.

138 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:10:10am

The european scum is taking the streets with anti-israel protests these days, several thousands in several german cities. Saw a sign in a TV report saying "Israel is playing the eternal victim". Utterly disgusting, these idiots deserve to be bombed by Islamists in their lifetime so that their bigotry will be silenced forever.

139 vascaino4  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:10:21am

May the IDF be as strong at wiping out Hamas as the international outcry about operation Cast Lead.

Give 'em hell (and those 72 virgins), guys!

140 akak  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:10:36am

re: #134 bj

Israel, per se, doesn't want to "occupy" gaza, she just wants the daily barrage of rockets and missiles to stop and life to become what should be normal with secure borders. Enough is enough. She is cleaning the sewer as it was. I'm tired of the daily booms and whizes and pings those things make and having family hunkered in bomb shelters. Feh!

That is another problem and it's name is Egypt, right Condi?

141 winston06  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:10:51am

re: #88 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I think the air cover is a necessary thing in ground combat to happen during the day light but since Hamas has no air assets, it means IDF could go in without much air cover. I want IDF to win

142 Salamantis  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:10:52am

re: #137 MandyManners

I don't like car bombs. I'd prefer a bullet between the eyes for them.

It was poetic justice for the mastermind of the Beirut US Embassy and Marine Barracks truckbombings.

143 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:11:18am

re: #127 Salamantis

Imad Mugniyeh was assassinated by a car bomb in Syria.

Oh, that little fucker.

144 pat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:11:25am

re: #130 Quilly Mammoth

The swastikas are there to imply that native Germans desecrated the Memorial rather than the Muslims who do it on a regular basis. Muslim disinformation designed to show that Jews are causing civil unrest.

145 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:11:37am

re: #137 MandyManners

I don't like car bombs. I'd prefer a bullet between the eyes for them.

That is not always possible when the game you are hunting is in the capitol of an enemy.

146 quickjustice  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:11:40am

re: #124 Nevergiveup

As a long-time Yankees fan, I'll start rooting for the Cubbies if that works! The only other strategy is occupation, eventual Israeli-supervised elections for local offices, and partial integration, meaning the Israelis control the infrastructure, local school systems, etc., until the Palestinians are ready for their own state, or for integration into one of the surrounding Arab-majority states.

147 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:11:44am

re: #138 000G

Germans... anti-Israel... who knew? You'd think traits like that would have come out before... oh wait... nevermind.

148 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:12:01am

re: #142 Salamantis

It was poetic justice for the mastermind of the Beirut US Embassy and Marine Barracks truckbombings.

Amen

149 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:12:38am

re: #132 MandyManners

That is my fervent hope.

It would only take the Gazans to do this and the rest of the terrorist infrastructure would begin to fall like dominos. Id love to see Gaza go anti-terrorist followed by the West Bank. It won't be easy but a small trickle could turn into a flood that could sweep away large swaths of terrorism away from the civilized world and marginalize radical Islam.

150 gmsc  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:12:40am

I haven't been able to post much here lately, but GO IDF!

This course of action should've been taken a long time ago!

I can't but wonder if Israel realizes that they may not be able to depend on US support under 0bama and the Dem congress, so they're just going ahead with what they need to do.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: The Palestinians are about to realize that, not only did the US support Israel, we also restrained them. Without that restraint, well . . .

151 Ford_Prefect  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:12:44am

Good Afternoon Lizards!

IDF, wishing you a safe return.
Hamas, say hello to Achmed.

152 bryantms  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:12:46am

The Chief Palestinian Negotiator on CNN is getting heated. The anchorwoman keeps pushing that he has no control over Hamas.

It's actually kind of funny because he isn't saying anything.

153 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:12:47am

Someone reproting for the Beeb from inside gaza, saying that hamassholes can fire rockets from gaza City.
IDF is only about 500m inside Gaza, he said, and there is a curfew on.
Oh - and he is peddling the lies that everybody is starving in Gaza ...

Looks like the hamasholes have been thieving all the tons of food Israel has been seding in during the last week.

Israeli airstikes in the South are continuing.

154 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:12:48am

re: #142 Salamantis

It was poetic justice for the mastermind of the Beirut US Embassy and Marine Barracks truckbombings.

I remembered when I saw his full name.

155 SemperHunden  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:12:48am

I tried watching CNN and FOX, but I couldn't stick around more than a couple minutes because I was getting too angry. I don't want to hear what some Palestinian propagandist has to say, or hear a CNN anchoress say that the ground invasion is what Palestinians want so Israel can get bogged down, or hear anchors in general talk like they have the slightest idea about anything regarding military operations. I'll just stick to the internet for my news.

156 ornery elephant  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:12:51am

From The Muqtada site:

Prayer for the Welfare of Soldiers in the Israel Defense Forces

May He who blessed our fathers Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, bless the soldiers
of the Israel Defense Forces who keep guard over our country and cities of
our Lord from the border with Lebanon to the Egyptian desert and from the
Mediterranean Sea to the approach to the Arava, be they on land, air or sea.

May the Almighty deliver us our enemies who arise against us, may the Holy
One, blessed be He, preserve them and save them from all sorrow and peril,
from danger and ill.

May He send blessing and success in all their endeavors, may He deliver to
them those who hate us and crown them with salvation and victory, so that
the saying may be fulfilled through them, "For the Lord, your God, who walks
with you and to fight your enemies for you and to save you", and let us say,
Amen.

Link...

157 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:12:57am

re: #141 winston06

I think the air cover is a necessary thing in ground combat to happen during the day light but since Hamas has no air assets, it means IDF could go in without much air cover. I want IDF to win

I'm sure they have plenty of air cover at night, too.

Laser designators work, night or day.

158 Abu Boo Boo  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:13:03am

The IDF must complete all objectives by January 20th.

Good luck IDF!

159 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:13:37am

re: #141 winston06

I think the air cover is a necessary thing in ground combat to happen during the day light but since Hamas has no air assets, it means IDF could go in without much air cover. I want IDF to win

Close air support, day and night, saves lives on the ground.
Night vision systems mean that Israeli air is up there as I type this.

160 Idle Drifter  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:14:03am

re: #26 itellu3times

I believe Israel and the US share notes from their various experiences fighting Hezbollah, Hamas, the Mahdi Army, and various other insurgents from Israel to Lebanon to Iraq to Afghanistan. I'm glad the IDF are rolling up their sleeves and getting dirty to clean out that pack of vermin in Gaza. God speed IDF.

161 AuntAcid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:14:04am

re: #13 ornery elephant

May G_d protect the brave soldiers of the IDF.

Is G_d code for something?

162 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:14:53am

re: #155 SemperHunden

What's an anchoress?

163 Joo-LiZ  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:15:00am

re: #135 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Operation Cast Lead?

I like, good name.

Based on a hannukah song, of a dreidel made of cast lead.

164 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:15:18am

re: #162 MandyManners

What's an anchoress?

An anchor for a female ship. Duh.

165 Joo-LiZ  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:15:20am

re: #161 AuntAcid

Is G_d code for something?

the dyslexic dog.

166 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:15:37am

re: #147 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Germans... anti-Israel... who knew? You'd think traits like that would have come out before... oh wait... nevermind.

Yeah, it's not surprising. Still, it's kinda scary. Back in the 70s, the protests against Israeli military action were mostly coordinated by the soviet-sponsored leftist organizations, today the consensus to condemn Israel seems to be broader.

Also: Heh on the down-ding there.

167 gmsc  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:15:42am

re: #161 AuntAcid

Is G_d code for something?

Yes.

168 ornery elephant  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:15:43am

re: #156 ornery elephant

Sorry, that should be "From the Muqata site".

169 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:15:53am

re: #163 Joo-LiZ

Based on a hannukah song, of a dreidel made of cast lead.

Even more excellent (My bad, not personally Jewish...).

170 Crimsonfisted  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:16:10am
171 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:16:22am

re: #158 Abu Boo Boo

The IDF must complete all objectives by January 20th.

Good luck IDF!

Obama won't be able to affect anything the IDF does. He isn't a friend of Israel and most folks are beginning to realize that. Israel will be condemned by the rest of the world no matter what so adding his voice is just more noise to them. I also don't think he'll have the stomach to cut funding for Israel. Even if HE does, Congress won't because votes for them depend on supporting Israel. Sorry Mr. Obama but you're pretty much screwed on this one.

172 SemperHunden  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:16:28am

re: #162 MandyManners

What's an anchoress?

Possibly ill-advised wordplay...

173 jcm  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:16:32am

re: #157 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I'm sure they have plenty of air cover at night, too.

Laser designators work, night or day.

GPS works anytime. No need to lase a target.

174 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:17:03am

re: #164 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I despise esses and ettes and ettas.

Rant over.

175 Salamantis  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:17:09am

re: #162 MandyManners

What's an anchoress?

%P%Here's one%P%:

[Link: theanchoressonline.com...]

176 Dianna  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:17:19am

re: #162 MandyManners

What's an anchoress?

Classically, a female religious who lives in isolation, usually in a small cell, and does not participate in the usual life of her convent.

177 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:17:42am

I wonder if the IDF will have videos of this on Youtube.

178 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:17:43am

re: #161 AuntAcid

It's a Jewish thing.

179 Crimsonfisted  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:17:47am

re: #171 Jetpilot1101

Obama won't be able to affect anything the IDF does. He isn't a friend of Israel and most folks are beginning to realize that. Israel will be condemned by the rest of the world no matter what so adding his voice is just more noise to them. I also don't think he'll have the stomach to cut funding for Israel. Even if HE does, Congress won't because votes for them depend on supporting Israel. Sorry Mr. Obama but you're pretty much screwed on this one.

From your keyboard to God's ears. Let's hope he is screwed on more issues than this one.

180 jonbenjon  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:17:55am

Man - it's quite the sound show going on. Lot's of booms, automated weapons fire, helicopters......

One thing that is interesting is the almost total lack of return fire coming our way.

We had one red alert earlier around 5:00 pm or so, and nothing since. I really had been expecting them to light off as much as they could once to troops went in (use it or lose it)

G-d bless our boys and girls in the IDF and preserve them from harm.

And most importantly, let's kick some @ss!

John - 6 kilometers due east of Gaza

181 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:18:10am

re: #162 MandyManners

What's an anchoress?

During the Middle Ages, it meant a holy woman residing in a cell in a church. (Julian of Norwich)

/I'm sure that's more than you wanted to know, but couldn't resist .. :D

182 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:18:15am

Didn't mean to drift the thread.

183 rwmofo  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:18:44am

re: #130 Quilly Mammoth

Berlin's Holocaust Memorial Vandalized.

I'd guess that this wasn't done by Neo-Nazis or native Germans.

184 Randall Gross  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:18:58am

Shit, work has called again, problems again at the worst time. The past three days haven't been real pleasant here. I'll try to keep up with this in the background.

185 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:19:07am

re: #180 jonbenjon

Man - it's quite the sound show going on. Lot's of booms, automated weapons fire, helicopters......

One thing that is interesting is the almost total lack of return fire coming our way.

We had one red alert earlier around 5:00 pm or so, and nothing since. I really had been expecting them to light off as much as they could once to troops went in (use it or lose it)

G-d bless our boys and girls in the IDF and preserve them from harm.

And most importantly, let's kick some @ss!

John - 6 kilometers due east of Gaza


God Bless. Stay safe. Thank you for the update.

186 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:19:09am

re: #173 jcm

You kids and your fancy toys.

(Actually, the only problem with GPS is the need to relay the target coords... a grunt with a laser can paint the right house across the street without either knowing the coords or having to transmit or encode them.)

187 Dianna  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:19:17am

re: #182 MandyManners

Didn't mean to drift the thread.

We'd already discussed options and started flaming each other on the previous thread. We're ready to drift.

188 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:19:19am

re: #182 MandyManners

Didn't mean to drift the thread.

No problem. We were well anchored.

189 Venflon  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:19:49am

And now local news are reporting that Olmert has said in a closed meeting with cabinet members that the goal of the ground incursion is to get rid of hamas entirely... It appears we're heading into another occupation of gaza, which makes sense due to the incredible amount of reservists being recruited today.
tsk tsk..

190 Randall Gross  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:20:09am

re: #180 jonbenjon

Man - it's quite the sound show going on. Lot's of booms, automated weapons fire, helicopters......

One thing that is interesting is the almost total lack of return fire coming our way.

We had one red alert earlier around 5:00 pm or so, and nothing since. I really had been expecting them to light off as much as they could once to troops went in (use it or lose it)

G-d bless our boys and girls in the IDF and preserve them from harm.

And most importantly, let's kick some @ss!

John - 6 kilometers due east of Gaza


Watch to the North, watch to the North, any big replies or ripostes will come from there.

191 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:20:16am

re: #189 Venflon

And now local news are reporting that Olmert has said in a closed meeting with cabinet members that the goal of the ground incursion is to get rid of hamas entirely... It appears we're heading into another occupation of gaza, which makes sense due to the incredible amount of reservists being recruited today.
tsk tsk..

Interesting

192 Miss Trixie  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:20:17am

G*speed and good hunting IDF!

193 gmsc  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:20:18am

re: #177 MandyManners

I wonder if the IDF will have videos of this on Youtube.

Yes, for 5 minutes. Then the video will be flagged by the terrorist-supporting robots, and subsequently removed.

194 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:20:31am

re: #182 MandyManners

Didn't mean to drift the thread.

Thank can happen when not dropping anchor-ess.

195 ryannon  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:20:36am

re: #93 Oh no...Sand People!

At this time I would just like to encourage all Lizards to keep an eye on their respective neck of the woods. Since this is a global community and the day's after 'friday' in particular along with what is going on in Gaza, I have a feeling that there is most definitely going to be spillover of terrorism popping up now.

Stay alert.


Repost from downthread:

In Paris, 20,000 + Pro Pali demonstration degenerates, approximately 200 'uncontrolled elements' attempt to storm Israeli Embassy and are beaten back by riot police. Shops and cars torched, injuries on both sides.

Come what may, we'll always have Paris....

/shit

196 albusteve  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:21:05am

re: #171 Jetpilot1101

Obama won't be able to affect anything the IDF does. He isn't a friend of Israel and most folks are beginning to realize that. Israel will be condemned by the rest of the world no matter what so adding his voice is just more noise to them. I also don't think he'll have the stomach to cut funding for Israel. Even if HE does, Congress won't because votes for them depend on supporting Israel. Sorry Mr. Obama but you're pretty much screwed on this one.

I tend to agree...and there may be fallout from mishandling this and some sort of a domino effect...at least I hope so

197 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:21:12am

re: #180 jonbenjon

Man - it's quite the sound show going on. Lot's of booms, automated weapons fire, helicopters......

One thing that is interesting is the almost total lack of return fire coming our way.

We had one red alert earlier around 5:00 pm or so, and nothing since. I really had been expecting them to light off as much as they could once to troops went in (use it or lose it)

G-d bless our boys and girls in the IDF and preserve them from harm.

And most importantly, let's kick some @ss!

John - 6 kilometers due east of Gaza

THANKS for the report.

stay in touch - and god bless the IDF!

buzzdroid - in the UK.

198 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:21:16am

re: #180 jonbenjon

Thank you for your report - and keep safe, as we're praying for the safety of the IDF soldiers, and of all of Israel.

(Erm - just saying that I'm effen proud of what you all and the IDF has been doing in the last week!)

199 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:21:32am
200 Desert Dog  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:21:53am

re: #189 Venflon

And now local news are reporting that Olmert has said in a closed meeting with cabinet members that the goal of the ground incursion is to get rid of hamas entirely... It appears we're heading into another occupation of gaza, which makes sense due to the incredible amount of reservists being recruited today.
tsk tsk..

Let's hope the devils up in the Bekaa Valley and their puppet masters in Tehran don't start getting any ideas in their pointy little heads.

201 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:21:58am

re: #179 Crimsonfisted

From your keyboard to God's ears. Let's hope he is screwed on more issues than this one.

I hope he's screwed on pretty much all of his policies. But if he does get a few of them through, I hope the American people wake up and in two years vote the jacktards out of office. I'm guessing it won't take much more economic pain before normal people are sick and tired of oppressive government and higher taxes. Just look at them trying to raise the gas tax by 50%. Good luck with that one morons, will you never learn?

202 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:22:12am

re: #189 Venflon

And now local news are reporting that Olmert has said in a closed meeting with cabinet members that the goal of the ground incursion is to get rid of hamas entirely... It appears we're heading into another occupation of gaza, which makes sense due to the incredible amount of reservists being recruited today.
tsk tsk..

Go all the way, or don't waste the lives on half-measures.

203 AuntAcid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:22:59am

re: #174 MandyManners

I despise esses and ettes and ettas.

Rant over.

rantesse, rantette...hehe
(i hope you can't hit a moving target)

204 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:23:06am

re: #180 jonbenjon

Man - it's quite the sound show going on. Lot's of booms, automated weapons fire, helicopters......

One thing that is interesting is the almost total lack of return fire coming our way.

We had one red alert earlier around 5:00 pm or so, and nothing since. I really had been expecting them to light off as much as they could once to troops went in (use it or lose it)

G-d bless our boys and girls in the IDF and preserve them from harm.

And most importantly, let's kick some @ss!

John - 6 kilometers due east of Gaza


Be safe John..

205 Miss Trixie  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:23:12am

jonbenjon

Thank you for your report - please stay safe!

206 Joo-LiZ  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:23:13am

re: #189 Venflon

And now local news are reporting that Olmert has said in a closed meeting with cabinet members that the goal of the ground incursion is to get rid of hamas entirely... It appears we're heading into another occupation of gaza, which makes sense due to the incredible amount of reservists being recruited today.
tsk tsk..

I'm not convinced an occupation would necessarily look the same way as it did in the past.

If the occupation occurs with the goal of helping the Palestinians, it may not be so bad.

207 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:23:31am

re: #200 Desert Dog

Let's hope the devils up in the Bekaa Valley and their puppet masters in Tehran don't start getting any ideas in their pointy little heads.

I would be shocked if they did not react.

208 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:23:40am

MSM reports on IDF "massacre" of Pallywooders , complete with Santa claus cards , Green Helmet Guy and teddy bears in 5...4...3...2....

209 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:23:48am

re: #158 Abu Boo Boo

The IDF must complete all objectives by January 20th.

Good luck IDF!

Well, maybe the horse will learn to sing and Obama will have learned and accepted why Israel has to do things like this. Not likely, but I hope so.

210 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:23:55am

re: #200 Desert Dog

Let's hope the devils up in the Bekaa Valley and their puppet masters in Tehran don't start getting any ideas in their pointy little heads.

They will attack. Sad to say, but they will. Israel must be ready for a wider war.

211 Crimsonfisted  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:23:58am

re: #201 Jetpilot1101

I hope he's screwed on pretty much all of his policies. But if he does get a few of them through, I hope the American people wake up and in two years vote the jacktards out of office. I'm guessing it won't take much more economic pain before normal people are sick and tired of oppressive government and higher taxes. Just look at them trying to raise the gas tax by 50%. Good luck with that one morons, will you never learn?

I hope so. I was encouraged when he was elected and gun sales skyrocketed. Didn't that clue him and his minions in that something was rotten in Washington?

212 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:24:09am

re: #189 Venflon

I hope and pray that an occupation isn't necessary. A good firm sweeping is what the place needs, but I don't think it would do much good to stick around and try to take care of these folks afterward.

IDF and the political leadership are, if anything, too sensitive to the needs of the civilians in the area of operations though, so I suppose that might be on the agenda after all.

Still, I'll say this for any moonbats out there - with IDF in charge and on the ground, Gaza will be a damned sight cleaner, safer, and better served than when Hamas were running the place. We can expect to see working electricity, infrastructure upgrades, and a sharp decline in the petty thuggery that typified Hamas rule.

May the L-rd bless and keep the IDF and those they protect.

213 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:24:19am

re: #188 pre-Boomer Marine brat

No problem. We were well anchored.

Moe Howard :Weigh Ancher...

Larry Fine and Curley Howard: About 12 and a half pounds...

214 Desert Dog  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:24:30am

re: #202 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Go all the way, or don't waste the lives on half-measures.

In for a penny, in for a pound....If Olmert announces that as his goal and then stops short...he will have achieved the exact opposite of what he wanted...Hamas will gain in status and strength....They have to go in there and stop this nonsense once and for all.

215 AuntAcid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:24:33am

re: #178 Killgore Trout

It's a Jewish thing.

Th__k y_o

216 FrogMarch  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:24:38am

The Hamas nazi Palis have turned Gaza into a hell hole. Everything the hate cult touches turns to rancid putridity.

217 desdichado  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:24:43am

I'm hoping for a short stay in the Gaza sewers for the IDF. That place is a mosquito-infected hell. Just kick some @ss and get the hell out.

218 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:24:47am

re: #174 MandyManners

I despise esses and ettes and ettas.

Rant over.

You don't like etta's? Like Etta James? LOL

219 Blazer in RIC  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:24:54am

These good guys/gals may get a little hungry takin' out those Hamas pukes. Send em' a pizza or two. It aint' easy takin' out terrorist rat bastards on an empty stomache.

Your text to link...

220 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:25:10am

re: #213 Dustyvet

Moe Howard :Weigh Ancher...

Larry Fine and Curley Howard: About 12 and a half pounds...

Ohh... a wise guy, eh? Nyuck, Nyuck, Nyuck!

221 treefish  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:25:25am

God Bless Isreal!

222 albusteve  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:25:26am

re: #200 Desert Dog

Let's hope the devils up in the Bekaa Valley and their puppet masters in Tehran don't start getting any ideas in their pointy little heads.

they are in a world of hurt right now...they are damned if they do and damned if they dont...do they hve the guts to sucker punch the IDF...doubtful...will Iran lean on them to do something...maybe...how's their cash holding out?...very interesting

223 alegrias  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:25:39am

re: #93 Oh no...Sand People!

At this time I would just like to encourage all Lizards to keep an eye on their respective neck of the woods. Since this is a global community and the day's after 'friday' in particular along with what is going on in Gaza, I have a feeling that there is most definitely going to be spillover of terrorism popping up now.

Stay alert.


* * *

Fox News Cable yesterday showed gazillion Hamas supporters protesting --in Barack Obama's hometown of Chicago! Who would have thunk it?

224 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:25:51am

re: #215 AuntAcid

Th__k y_o

You are so bad!
:)

225 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:25:52am

sky news : three pronged attack - north, south and centre (at gaza city)

226 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:26:09am

re: #214 Desert Dog

In for a penny, in for a pound....If Olmert announces that as his goal and then stops short...he will have achieved the exact opposite of what he wanted...Hamas will gain in status and strength....They have to go in there and stop this nonsense once and for all.

And none of this "Hamas on the ropes... give them a cease-fire" shit, either.

227 pat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:26:11am

I just love that reporter on Fox. "no one knows when they will strike. the children are so afraid". But when it is Jews dying, that is just nagging. And as for rocket hits on Israeli schools? Yawn. Fuck all you Gazans. Payback is a bitch.

228 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:26:34am

Gawd, I loathe these female talking heads of the Beeb in Israel - the one just spouted all the threats of the hamassholes, like how they're going to open hell for the IDF - practically salivating at that image.

*spit*

... as if the IDF has done nothing in the last week to limit the 'military' capabilities of the hamasthugs!

229 farting cardinal  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:26:35am

JonBenJon, you're that close? be safe and keep us updated.

230 MikeyHunt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:26:45am

Today we are all Israelis (well, most of us sane people.)

Good Luck & GodSpeed. Remove the hamas cancer once & for all.

I just hope people in the know, have been keeping track of where and who has been vocal, in support of hamas.

Interesting (and sickening) just how many terrorist sympathizers there are out there.

Just wait until rockets fall on their families house, until they wise up!

231 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:26:46am

re: #220 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Ohh... a wise guy, eh? Nyuck, Nyuck, Nyuck!

I tried to think once, nothing happened...

Curly Howard

232 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:26:48am

Must win... before 20 Jan 09 when the rug gets pulled out from under them.

233 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:26:52am

re: #213 Dustyvet

Moe Howard :Weigh Ancher...

Larry Fine and Curley Howard: About 12 and a half pounds...

And how do you judge the size of a fish?
Look at his scales.

234 Idle Drifter  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:26:57am

re: #195 ryannon

Repost from downthread:

In Paris, 20,000 + Pro Pali demonstration degenerates, approximately 200 'uncontrolled elements' attempt to storm Israeli Embassy and are beaten back by riot police. Shops and cars torched, injuries on both sides.

Come what may, we'll always have Paris....

/shit

All's quiet in my little part of the World unless there are small demonstrations in Bolder, CO and the various campuses across Denver, CO but I haven't heard of any. Can any other residents verify.

235 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:27:08am

re: #223 alegrias

And in my own country, yet. Oh, well, good luck to them, I suppose, but they should keep their noses clean and their mouths shut.

236 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:27:13am
237 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:27:19am

re: #227 pat

I just love that reporter on Fox. "no one knows when they will strike. the children are so afraid". But when it is Jews dying, that is just nagging. And as for rocket hits on Israeli schools? Yawn. Fuck all you Gazans. Payback is a bitch.

That was a NYT reporter. (on Fox)

238 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:27:19am

re: #227 pat

I just love that reporter on Fox. "no one knows when they will strike. the children are so afraid". But when it is Jews dying, that is just nagging. And as for rocket hits on Israeli schools? Yawn. Fuck all you Gazans. Payback is a bitch.

and bear in mind that it was Gazans that were celebrating when 9/11 happened -dancing in the street and handing out candy...

yeah - payback sure as hell is a bitch.

239 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:28:12am

re: #230 MikeyHunt

He Mikey... you have some unanswered questions that have been asked of you. Why don't you go do a little research and get back to us with the answers?

240 snopercod  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:28:28am

I worry that Iran will use this opportunity to jump in.

241 jaunte  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:28:32am

re: #228 yma o hyd

Gawd, I loathe these female talking heads of the Beeb in Israel - the one just spouted all the threats of the hamassholes, like how they're going to open hell for the IDF - practically salivating at that image.

"Jihad of the mouth."

242 pat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:29:07am

re: #162 MandyManners

What's an anchoress?

A sequestered female nun or religious authority in the Catholic church. Often a deeply religious and knowledgeable woman who chooses the life with church permission. Advisors to the church and throne.

243 Joo-LiZ  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:29:14am

re: #240 snopercod

I worry that Iran will use this opportunity to jump in.

They wouldn't dare... not yet anyway, America would hop in.

Hizballah -- now there is a threat.

244 Maximu§  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:29:20am

I'm no warmonger, but I do sleep better at night knowing the IDF's are on the move and killing Jihadists.

245 FrogMarch  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:29:31am

No one likes the poor death cult Palestinians. They make crap neighbors. The only folks who adore the Palis are non-neighboring media elites and the neo-fascist left.


Go Israel.

246 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:29:34am

re: #240 snopercod

I worry that Iran will use this opportunity to jump in.

That's scheduled for 12pm EST 20 Jan 09.

247 rwmofo  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:29:35am

The Fox News Anchor just had a NY Times reporter from Gaza on the phone.

Here's what she said.

248 ryannon  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:29:36am

A Prayer For Israel:

[Link: www.acwitness.org...]

249 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:29:45am

re: #234 Idle Drifter

All's quiet in my little part of the World unless there are small demonstrations in Bolder, CO and the various campuses across Denver, CO but I haven't heard of any. Can any other residents verify.

Well, Al-Jazeera hasn't arrived back in Golden.

250 Abu Boo Boo  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:29:46am

re: #171 Jetpilot1101

Obama won't be able to affect anything the IDF does. He isn't a friend of Israel and most folks are beginning to realize that. Israel will be condemned by the rest of the world no matter what so adding his voice is just more noise to them. I also don't think he'll have the stomach to cut funding for Israel. Even if HE does, Congress won't because votes for them depend on supporting Israel. Sorry Mr. Obama but you're pretty much screwed on this one.

I suspect Obama will not be willing to risk his domestic agenda over Israel. So he may just continue to lay low.

But I also have no illusions about where his sympathies lay. To the extent he gets involved, he will give a boost to the IslamoNazis.

That's why its crucial for Israel to complete the main objectives before Jan. 20th. After that, it's going to be like Dhimmi Carter's second term.

251 Salamantis  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:29:48am

re: #228 yma o hyd

Gawd, I loathe these female talking heads of the Beeb in Israel - the one just spouted all the threats of the hamassholes, like how they're going to open hell for the IDF - practically salivating at that image.

*spit*

... as if the IDF has done nothing in the last week to limit the 'military' capabilities of the hamasthugs!

The Beeb is working to hire on Baghdad Bob as we speak.

/?

252 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:29:57am
253 Lincolntf  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:30:01am

CNN just ran a crawl that said "Israel starts large scale troop drafting".

Umm, "drafting"? How in the world does NOBODY at the network know that that is the entirely wrong word for Reservist call-ups?
Actually, I'm sute they know, but they want to exacerbate the "dreadfulness" of Israel's actions.

254 zombie  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:30:06am

Anybody good at extracting/downloading video embedded at Web pages?

Normally, I'm good at it, but I'm having real trouble with this one. It's related to this thread - -Gaza protests in SF.

If you know how to extract the video (i.e. download to hard drive) from this page, either tell me how to do it, or do it yourself and send it to me!

255 jrausta  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:30:07am

Time to clean up the house, starting with the Hamas room. Thank you, IDF, for standing up to this menace. God bless you and your families for defending freedom.

256 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:30:20am

re: #240 snopercod

I worry that Iran will use this opportunity to jump in.

I suspect that would be about the dumbest thing Dinner Jacket could pull.

257 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:30:31am

sky news: night vision camera shot of lines and lines of IDF soldiers on the march...

brave as hell...

tonight, we are all Israeli.

258 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:30:42am

re: #241 jaunte

"Jihad of the mouth."

Brilliant expression! And she has the hardly islamic name of Katya Adler ...
(Have been complaining about her already, to the Beeb)

259 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:30:43am
260 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:30:49am

re: #244 Maximu§

I'm no warmonger, but I do sleep better at night knowing the IDF's are on the move and killing Jihadists.

Somebody in the West better have the nads to do it. Should be our job, but we became (or soon will become) wimps.

Thank God for the IDF.

261 redc1c4  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:31:00am

re: #173 jcm

GPS works anytime. No need to lase a target.

that all depends on how accurate you want to be......

262 Erik The Red  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:31:08am

re: #239 Walter L. Newton

He Mikey... you have some unanswered questions that have been asked of you. Why don't you go do a little research and get back to us with the answers?

I was going to reply much the same. But I thought maybe he would contribute something to this thread. Maybe maybe not/

263 alegrias  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:31:22am

re: #142 Salamantis

It was poetic justice for the mastermind of the Beirut US Embassy and Marine Barracks truckbombings.

* * *
Ronald Reagan struggled with how to fight these jihadists who murdered innocents for so long--Ronnie's Irish Eyes are no doubt smiling on Israel's invasion today.

264 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:31:32am

re: #259 ploome hineni

the FOX woman did nothing to stop that lying propaganda

That bothered me, too. There were plenty of openings.

265 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:31:34am
266 Venflon  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:31:35am

re: #206 Joo-LiZ

re: #212 Guanxi88

The part about the re-occupation is my own interpretation of what's happening. It's possible they could just remove hamas from power and get out and let it sort itself, though I doubt they would do that... Risk having someone even worse than hamas gaining power.

What do you guys think?

267 Maximu§  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:31:49am

re: #256 Dustyvet

I suspect that would be about the dumbest thing Dinner Jacket could pull.

If he doesn't do anything, he will lose face on the Arab street. Its a lose-lose situation for that Maniac.

268 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:32:16am

Don't expect any massacre reports because Gaza is going to be very cut off. Israel my cut communication to prevent cell phones detonating bombs or being used to target troops.

So far, everything is going on schedule and to plan- Hamas is going down. They started a war and Israel was looking for an excuse to wipe them form the map. Whoops.

The key differentiators this time around are Israeli political dynamics and the different military personalities involved.

It is too hard to tell if Hamas' unit cohesion has been affected by the air and artillery. The less fighting, the more it will be seen they broke and ran.

Moral of the story: don't mess with one of the best equipped and trained military machines in the world today. Corollary message: proving the business case for your elimination by actions that render you unfit to exist as a neighbor may make good Jihad but makes for certain war, see moral of story.

Gilad. Hang on bro, we are coming and you are coming home.

269 NY Nana  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:32:21am

I don't know if this has been posted. It is a prayer for the IDF, etc:

Invoking God's protection for the members of the Israel Defense Forces.

He Who blessed our forefathers Abraham, Isaac and Jacob -- may He bless the fighters of the Israel Defense Forces, who stand guard over our land and the cities of our God, from the border of the Lebanon to the desert of Egypt, and from the Great Sea unto the approach of the Aravah, on the land, in the air, and on the sea.

May the Almighty cause the enemies who rise up against us to be struck down before them. May the Holy One, Blessed is He, preserve and rescue our fighters from every trouble and distress and from every plague and illness, and may He send blessing and success in their every endeavor.

May He lead our enemies under our soldiers' sway and may He grant them salvation and crown them with victory. And may there be fulfilled for them the verse: For it is the Lord your God, Who goes with you to battle your enemies for you to save you.

Now let us respond: Amen.

The Hebrew version is there, also.

270 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:32:24am

re: #250 Abu Boo Boo

I suspect Obama will not be willing to risk his domestic agenda over Israel. So he may just continue to lay low.

But I also have no illusions about where his sympathies lay. To the extent he gets involved, he will give a boost to the IslamoNazis.

That's why its crucial for Israel to complete the main objectives before Jan. 20th. After that, it's going to be like Dhimmi Carter's second term.

It's going to be Jimmy Carter 2 in more ways then one. The light at the end of the tunnel is someone else being sworn in as president in 2012. Obama will last a term at the most.

271 akak  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:32:31am

re: #243 Joo-LiZ

They wouldn't dare... not yet anyway, America would hop in.

Hizballah -- now there is a threat.

Hamas & Hizbashitzah = Iran anyways

272 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:32:32am

re: #257 buzzdroid

sky news: night vision camera shot of lines and lines of IDF soldiers on the march...

brave as hell...

tonight, we are all Israeli.

No, that's not an honor I claim. The men and women on the front lines, doing the right thing, actually making life better for the rest of us by slugging it out with Hamas and dragging Hamas' hostages/constituents (the same thing, really - like with any cult) kicking and screaming into the 19th century, or sending them down to Hell, those are Israelis. Me, I'm just a stateside supporter.

273 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:32:35am

re: #256 Dustyvet

I suspect that would be about the dumbest thing Dinner Jacket could pull.

Never underestimate a mad-man.

To wit, on 8 Dec 1941, Adolf Hitler declared war on the United States making FDRs job of getting us involved in both theaters mighty easy.

274 Miss Molly  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:33:01am

Jet Pilot 1101 how right you are that Israel will be condemned by the rest of the world for trying to defend herself. It seems to be OK for Hamas to launch rockets and whatever else they want into Israel but deny Israel the right to fight back. The liberals will be besides themselves with rage that Israel is going to take Hamas on and most likely do some damage to that group in the process.

275 Idle Drifter  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:33:15am

re: #249 Walter L. Newton

That's always a good thing.

276 Dianna  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:33:18am

re: #254 zombie

I wish I could help - I'm hopeless, technically.

Is this the usual crowd of idiots, including women wearing headscarves and carrying signs advocating suicide bombing? I really detest those signs.

277 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:33:32am

re: #264 jwb7605

That bothered me, too. There were plenty of openings.

Yeah she is a little weak on arguing. She pretty much just lets them drone on.

278 alegrias  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:33:32am

re: #154 MandyManners

I remembered when I saw his full name.

* * *
Imad Mugniyeh sleeps with the fishes! Praise Be.

279 hack  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:33:37am

re: #238 buzzdroid

and bear in mind that it was Gazans that were celebrating when 9/11 happened -dancing in the street and handing out candy...

yeah - payback sure as hell is a bitch.

and then they die. and it's a good thing if hamas dies for the palestinians as a whole.

280 rwmofo  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:33:44am

re: #259 ploome hineni

the FOX woman did nothing to stop that lying propaganda

Yeah. That was a little disappointing. She's reported from Israel a lot over the past 2-4 years it seems, so her BS Detector had to be spiking. She looks pregnant now.

281 Crimsonfisted  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:33:53am

Al-Alksa #Gaza TV goes "off-air". Hope their advertisers get a refund 13 minutes ago from web

282 oldscouter  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:33:57am

May G-d continue to hold Israel in the palm of His hand. I just hope Hashem will overlook the anti-Semitic demonstrations in the US. Glad I don't have to put up with it. Supporters of the poorpalestinians in my neck of the woods seem to maintain a low profile.

283 Desert Dog  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:34:00am

What is ironic about all of this is that if Israel was able to do what it really wants to do in Gaza and the West Bank, it would be much more beneficial to the Palis than anything Hamas or Fatah or (insert stupid-ass terrorist group here) has to offer. The Palis are being screwed over and over again by their own "leaders"......But, when all you have in your heart is hatred, it's kinda hard to see past that.

284 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:34:02am

re: #268 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Gilad. Hang on bro, we are coming and you are coming home.

Lord, here our prayer.

285 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:34:05am

re: #254 zombie

Anybody good at extracting/downloading video embedded at Web pages?

Normally, I'm good at it, but I'm having real trouble with this one. It's related to this thread - -Gaza protests in SF.

If you know how to extract the video (i.e. download to hard drive) from this page, either tell me how to do it, or do it yourself and send it to me!

It can be done if you have RealPlayer. Right-click on the bottom "window bar" and select "Download to RealPlayer" at the bottom of the menu which pops up. It'll bring it down to your machine.

286 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:34:07am

re: #251 Salamantis

The Beeb is working to hire on Baghdad Bob as we speak.

/?

They certainly seem to have one of his students in Gaza City ...

Last report from Beeb said that the hamassholes told one Arab news station that they ahd killed some Israeli soldiers.

Nothing about this from the IDF.

287 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:34:22am

Who is this apologist on FOX now?

288 Catttt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:34:24am

Live streaming - various from Israel

[Link: www.fromil.com...]

289 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:34:25am

re: #284 Sharmuta

Lord, here our prayer.

Er- hear. Sorry. More coffee, I think.

290 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:34:47am

re: #273 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Never underestimate a mad-man.

To wit, on 8 Dec 1941, Adolf Hitler declared war on the United States making FDRs job of getting us involved in both theaters mighty easy.

I was thinking along other lines LT, think you get my drift Sir...:)

291 redc1c4  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:34:52am

re: #203 AuntAcid

rantesse, rantette...hehe
(i hope you can't hit a moving target)

guess you'll learn the hard way.....

292 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:35:00am

re: #279 hack

and then they die. and it's a good thing if hamas dies for the palestinians as a whole.

See, that's true, but the locals have been so brainwashed and stupefied with terror and poverty, they probably don't see it. Those who do, they leave if they can.

293 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:35:05am

re: #287 Nevergiveup

Who is this apologist on FOX now?

Some Iranian twit.

294 Joo-LiZ  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:35:44am

re: #254 zombie

Anybody good at extracting/downloading video embedded at Web pages?

Normally, I'm good at it, but I'm having real trouble with this one. It's related to this thread - -Gaza protests in SF.

If you know how to extract the video (i.e. download to hard drive) from this page, either tell me how to do it, or do it yourself and send it to me!

I can get it for you, but it might be a really large file. How do you want me to get it to you?

295 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:36:01am

re: #293 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Some Iranian twit.

Who just stated "all this could have been avoided if the US had entered direct talks with Iran"

296 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:36:09am

re: #290 Dustyvet

I was thinking along other lines LT, think you get my drift Sir...:)

You bet... nothing like trying on the jacket with the big "kick me" sign on the back. A Dinner Jacket, even...

297 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:36:14am

re: #280 rwmofo

Yeah. That was a little disappointing. She's reported from Israel a lot over the past 2-4 years it seems, so her BS Detector had to be spiking. She looks pregnant now.

Why do you think she looks pregnant?

298 winston06  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:36:14am

FNC is having a neanderthal Iranian regime agent on. god, stop giving the Iranian regime air time on Fox News.

299 Joo-LiZ  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:36:21am

re: #294 Joo-LiZ

I can get it for you, but it might be a really large file. How do you want me to get it to you?

I think I can get it for you, I am in the process of getting something, I hope its the same vid as you wanted.

300 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:36:21am

re: #252 ploome hineni

VDH is spot on - in the last half hour the Beeb spent about the same time reporting on the portests in London as on the IDF campaign ...

Apparently some protesters were 'in conflict' with the police ... yeah, brave protesters - NOT!

301 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:36:36am

re: #274 Miss Molly

Jet Pilot 1101 how right you are that Israel will be condemned by the rest of the world for trying to defend herself. It seems to be OK for Hamas to launch rockets and whatever else they want into Israel but deny Israel the right to fight back. The liberals will be besides themselves with rage that Israel is going to take Hamas on and most likely do some damage to that group in the process.

The liberals are always beside themselves with rage; it's what keeps them going. Since Bush will be vacating the White House this month, their rage will have to be directed elsewhere. Israel makes a great target especially with willing shills in the MFMSM to propagate the propaganda of Hamas and their ilk. Let them seethe and then watch their heads explode when Obama does nothing to stop Israel. Should sound like popcorn in this country for quite some time.

302 winston06  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:36:45am

re: #293 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Some Iranian twit.

an A$$hole and an Iranian regime agent

303 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:36:50am

re: #296 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

You bet... nothing like trying on the jacket with the big "kick me" sign on the back. A Dinner Jacket, even...

Yup...:)

304 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:36:55am

re: #195 ryannon

Repost from downthread:

In Paris, 20,000 + Pro Pali demonstration degenerates, approximately 200 'uncontrolled elements' attempt to storm Israeli Embassy and are beaten back by riot police. Shops and cars torched, injuries on both sides.

Come what may, we'll always have Paris....

/shit

Amazing. Add that to the 1,147+ cars that have been torched in France over New Years.

305 winston06  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:37:06am

re: #295 jwb7605

Deport all Iranian regime agent to Iran now

306 albusteve  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:37:10am

re: #295 jwb7605

Who just stated "all this could have been avoided if the US had entered direct talks with Iran"

Arab comedy...if only!...
get it?

307 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:37:24am

re: #293 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Some Iranian twit.

For those not in the know: easiest way to tell the good from the bad:

You say: "Oh, you're Iranian?"

They say: "No, we're Persian."

Good guys.

You say: "Oh, you're Persian?"

They say: "No, we're Iranian."

Probably not good guys.

308 bj  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:37:24am

re: #140 akak

That is another problem and it's name is Egypt, right Condi?

condi needs to get somewhere, preferably away from the public and communication (on the north 40 with jimmiah critter, for instance), and stay OUT of the ME. She is oblivious to reality and history.

309 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:37:26am

CNN has Mustafa Barghouti on audio.

310 CommonCents  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:37:33am

MSNBC has guest Eyad Surraj, Palestinian Human Rights Commission. Straight to the left, full speed. Blah, blah, international war crimes, blah, blah, blah.

311 Crimsonfisted  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:37:34am

re: #304 Oh no...Sand People!

Amazing. Add that to the 1,147+ cars that have been torched in France over New Years.

THIS year? They are STILL torching cars? How long has that been going on?

312 psyop  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:37:40am

re: #293 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

lol... So, Iranians don't respond well to threats, eh? So this guy basically implied that we must accept the way they behave because they "don't respond well to threats".

Then, I suppose, he should accept Israels actions today. After all, Israelis don't respond well to threats...

313 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:37:43am

sky news has just shown a clip of IDF troops on the march , non-night vision.

314 Venflon  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:37:43am

re: #212 Guanxi88

I hope and pray that an occupation isn't necessary. A good firm sweeping is what the place needs, but I don't think it would do much good to stick around and try to take care of these folks afterward.

IDF and the political leadership are, if anything, too sensitive to the needs of the civilians in the area of operations though, so I suppose that might be on the agenda after all.

Still, I'll say this for any moonbats out there - with IDF in charge and on the ground, Gaza will be a damned sight cleaner, safer, and better served than when Hamas were running the place. We can expect to see working electricity, infrastructure upgrades, and a sharp decline in the petty thuggery that typified Hamas rule.


You're right, but you're forgetting one point.
The IDF soldiers' families and general public would not be too happy having them policing and protecting, while risking their lives, the same people that were just not long ago supporting and perhaps aiding in the attacks against Israeli civilians and troops.
Personally, I know I wouldn't want to engage in this kind of activity when called for reserves.
Hope you understand what I'm trying to say.

315 Catttt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:37:46am

re: #288 Catttt

Live streaming - various from Israel

[Link: www.fromil.com...]

Channel 1 - first link on left - live streaming - Israel station. They have a deaf interpreter (I actually understand more of the sign language than the Hebrew).

316 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:38:08am

re: #304 Oh no...Sand People!

Amazing. Add that to the 1,147+ cars that have been torched in France over New Years.

Are there any unburned cars left in Fwance? What does auto insurance cost there? :-)

317 jcm  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:38:34am

re: #240 snopercod

I worry that Iran will use this opportunity to jump in.

That might be a good thing...
Casus Belli.

318 winston06  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:38:44am

re: #312 psyop

Mullahs behave under threat. This guy was an Islamic regime goon

319 rwmofo  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:38:48am

re: #297 Nevergiveup

Why do you think she looks pregnant?

A couple days ago there was a wider shot and...she looked pregnant. Coulda been a lousy fitting outfit.

320 albusteve  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:39:03am

re: #301 Jetpilot1101

The liberals are always beside themselves with rage; it's what keeps them going. Since Bush will be vacating the White House this month, their rage will have to be directed elsewhere. Israel makes a great target especially with willing shills in the MFMSM to propagate the propaganda of Hamas and their ilk. Let them seethe and then watch their heads explode when Obama does nothing

321 CommonCents  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:39:06am

re: #311 Crimsonfisted

THIS year? They are STILL torching cars? How long has that been going on?

Looks like an opportunity for the US automakers to get sales up.

322 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:39:09am

He's calling it a "preemptive strike".

323 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:39:18am

re: #302 winston06

an A$$hole and an Iranian regime agent

I'll say it again... Fox (Murdock 51%, an Arab 49%), Sky News (Murdock), New York Post (Murdock), The London Sun (Murdock) and that's only the tip of the iceberg.

MSM, all the same, all the time!

324 FrogMarch  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:39:24am

re: #295 jwb7605

Who just stated "all this could have been avoided if the US had entered direct talks with Iran"

ugh! She need not worry. The new Messiah will surely sit down and talk with Dinnerjacket/Hitler II, & work it all out.

325 pat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:39:24am

I wonder if Fox's Saudi masters will assert themselves again?/

326 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:39:40am

re: #316 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Are there any unburned cars left in Fwance? What does auto insurance cost there? :-)

French auto insurance is going pyre and pyre.

327 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:39:45am

re: #307 Guanxi88

For those not in the know: easiest way to tell the good from the bad:

You say: "Oh, you're Iranian?"

They say: "No, we're Persian."

Good guys.

You say: "Oh, you're Persian?"

They say: "No, we're Iranian."

Probably not good guys.

yup - i can independently confirm that.

as a student, years ago, had a landlord who was PERSIAN..
and he *insisted* on that.

"iranian? no no no sir.,.. PERSIAN"...

328 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:39:49am

re: #306 albusteve

Arab comedy...if only!...
get it?

I'm waiting for Obama to actually enter into direct talks, get his ass handed to him, and watch the comedy resulting from that.

It will happen, and that will be Arab comedy.

329 Crimsonfisted  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:39:51am

re: #321 CommonCents

Looks like an opportunity for the US automakers to get sales up.

Heh. Good point. How about the new factory that opened in GA? Give THEM the business and forget Detroit.

330 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:39:55am

CNN will run Hamas' new statement.

331 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:40:06am

re: #310 CommonCents

MSNBC has guest Eyad Surraj, Palestinian Human Rights Commission. Straight to the left, full speed. Blah, blah, international war crimes, blah, blah, blah.

Has he/she commented yet on body tossing from the roofs of buildings or is that the purview of the Palestinian Olympic Committee?

332 winston06  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:40:06am

re: #307 Guanxi88

wrong. I am an Iranian by birth. Persians consist more than 55% of the total population. Every one living within the Iranian plateau is considered an Iranian first and then his ethnicity might be of any concern. Vast majority of the people of Iran are pro-America to say the least.

333 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:40:11am

re: #311 Crimsonfisted

THIS year? They are STILL torching cars? How long has that been going on?

Fox News the other day had it posted. It's now a French holiday tradition...'youths'...Crazy isn't it. I am guessing there are more police no go zones in France than in Los Angeles.

334 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:40:18am

re: #314 Venflon

re: #314 Venflon

You're right, but you're forgetting one point.
The IDF soldiers' families and general public would not be too happy having them policing and protecting, while risking their lives, the same people that were just not long ago supporting and perhaps aiding in the attacks against Israeli civilians and troops.
Personally, I know I wouldn't want to engage in this kind of activity when called for reserves.
Hope you understand what I'm trying to say.

Well, of course. Ideally, one could just burn the whole place to the ground, wall it off, and send the locals back to Egypt and Jordan, where they came from.

Sadly, though, IDF and the leadership are too humane for that. Anything less than that would be only a short-term fix, of course, but since it's not on the table, an occupation may become necessary.

Still, if they ask me, I say burn it down and send the Arabs home.

335 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:40:22am

re: #323 Walter L. Newton

I'll say it again... Fox (Murdock 51%, an Arab 49%), Sky News (Murdock), New York Post (Murdock), The London Sun (Murdock) and that's only the tip of the iceberg.

MSM, all the same, all the time!

Why is there surprise at this?

336 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:40:35am

re: #322 MandyManners

He's calling it a "preemptive strike".

Kind of hard to call it preemptive strike after 8 years of rocket attacks

337 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:40:36am

re: #316 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Are there any unburned cars left in Fwance? What does auto insurance cost there? :-)

"Is Paris Burning?"

Some short Austrian guy with brown eyes.

338 ryannon  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:40:42am

re: #304 Oh no...Sand People!

Amazing. Add that to the 1,147+ cars that have been torched in France over New Years.

And the 100+ that go up in flames every day of the week, 365 days a year.... (official police statistics).

339 oldscouter  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:40:42am

The unidentified disenfranchise youth of France burned over 1,000 cars on New Years. It is so common that the media no longer report it.

340 jaunte  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:40:55am

I'd love to see a news commentator ask one of the Pal/Iranian/other Arab country spokesmen about the recent reintroduction of the punishment of crucifixion to Gaza.
It won't happen, but it might cast some light on the false equivalence that's being drawn between the combatants.

341 winston06  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:40:56am

re: #327 buzzdroid

then he/she was an ignorant person who was ashamed of his/her heritage

342 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:40:58am

Why is anyone surprised Israel's the "bad guy" in this?!

343 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:41:05am

re: #266 Venflon

Just going after the report from one Beeb reporter in Gaza City, who again peddled the lie that everybody is starving in Gaza, disregarding the tons of stuff sent in by israel in the last few days, I am beginning to think that ordianry people might perhaps realise how they've been used, and how Hamas has stolen the food from their mouths.

Which then makes me think that there could well be an uprising against the hamasthugs by the ordinary Palestinians.

The IDF spokesperson just said again that Israel does not aim to occupy Gaza again.

344 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:41:12am

re: #323 Walter L. Newton

I'll say it again... Fox (Murdock 51%, an Arab 49%), Sky News (Murdock), New York Post (Murdock), The London Sun (Murdock) and that's only the tip of the iceberg.

MSM, all the same, all the time!

Come on Walter. FOX has it's faults but it is so much better than the other channels.

345 albusteve  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:41:22am

re: #317 jcm

That might be a good thing...
Casus Belli.

heh...just thinkin here of the possibilities...all pretty good really

346 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:41:48am

Godspeed the IDF. Later all.

Good luck.

347 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:42:01am

re: #328 jwb7605

I'm waiting for Obama to actually enter into direct talks, get his ass handed to him, and watch the comedy resulting from that.

It will happen, and that will be Arab comedy.

Hey, y' never know. The kid from Chicago could have that no-preconditions meeting in a garage on Ferbruary 14th.

348 CommonCents  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:42:11am

re: #331 Nevergiveup

Has he/she commented yet on body tossing from the roofs of buildings or is that the purview of the Palestinian Olympic Committee?

Couldn't tell you. I can only handle that channel in small quips. My blood pressure is already borderline-high.

349 psyop  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:42:14am

re: #318 winston06

Mullahs behave under threat. This guy was an Islamic regime goon

Of that, I am very well aware.

I was merely trying to dissect his logic, and extrapolate to other situations where it would apply.

Not, I expect, that he is very familiar with logic and critical thinking.

350 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:42:16am

re: #344 Nevergiveup

Come on Walter. FOX has it's faults but it is so much better than the other channels.

... and that's supposed to cheer us up how?

351 Catttt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:42:19am

re: #307 Guanxi88

For those not in the know: easiest way to tell the good from the bad:

You say: "Oh, you're Iranian?"

They say: "No, we're Persian."

Good guys.

You say: "Oh, you're Persian?"

They say: "No, we're Iranian."

Probably not good guys.

When I bought my destop comp, my sales guy at Best Buy had an interesting accent. I asked where he was from - he said he was Persian. When I said Iran, he said nope - Persian. Exactly what you are talking about. His dad had gone back to Iran, but he said no thanks - staying in the USA. Real cute guy - not that I noticed that or anything....

352 winston06  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:42:37am

re: #349 psyop

agreed

353 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:42:41am

oh god - they got another arab apologist on sky news saying that
IT IS THE MOST DENSELY POPULATED PLACE ON EARTH...

no it f**king IS NOT!

i wish to GOD someone in the media would point out that this is utter bullshit.

use Google Maps for christs sake! zoom in! look at "overcrowded" gaza in it...

ARRRGHH!

anyone got an email address for sky news to complain?

354 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:42:43am

re: #335 Sharmuta

Why is there surprise at this?

Some comments up thread seemed to think Fox had something over the others. I say Fox is just as much part of the problem. Just pointing that out.

355 zombie  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:42:56am

re: #294 Joo-LiZ

I can get it for you, but it might be a really large file. How do you want me to get it to you?

There's a service called "YouSendIt" that allows the emailing (ftp-ing, actually, but done through email notifications) of any size file. If you download it yourself, email me when you're done, and I'll tell you how to send it to me.

Or, more simply -- tell me how to do it and I'll download it myself! Thanks!

356 Joo-LiZ  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:42:59am

re: #254 zombie

Anybody good at extracting/downloading video embedded at Web pages?

Normally, I'm good at it, but I'm having real trouble with this one. It's related to this thread - -Gaza protests in SF.

If you know how to extract the video (i.e. download to hard drive) from this page, either tell me how to do it, or do it yourself and send it to me!

Alright, I now have the whole vid (5min5sec long) saved as a quicktime .mov, but it is 18.5 MB....

357 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:43:01am

re: #332 winston06

wrong. I am an Iranian by birth. Persians consist more than 55% of the total population. Every one living within the Iranian plateau is considered an Iranian first and then his ethnicity might be of any concern. Vast majority of the people of Iran are pro-America to say the least.

I said it was a rough and ready tool. Learned it from a fellow from Tehran, a muslim by birth, who got out of dodge double quick when the beards started showing up. He said to me that after the revolution, anyone who copped to being "Iranian" was probably not to be trusted, since the Ayatollah et al gave them such a bad reputation.

358 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:43:01am

re: #337 Dustyvet

"Is Paris Burning?"

Some short Austrian guy with brown eyes.

...and one ball.

359 NY Nana  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:43:16am

re: #187 Dianna

We'd already discussed options and started flaming each other on the previous thread. We're ready to drift.

Any of us who have family and/or friends, and those who care about Israel, are not ready to drift, damn it.

360 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:43:17am

re: #286 yma o hyd

They certainly seem to have one of his students in Gaza City ...

Last report from Beeb said that the hamassholes told one Arab news station that they ahd killed some Israeli soldiers.

Nothing about this from the IDF.

I find BBC reporters hard to understand when they speak. As a rule, they have their heads so far up their asses so their verbal shit and brain farts come out muffled.

361 winston06  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:43:32am

re: #357 Guanxi88

i can understand that

362 FrogMarch  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:43:33am

re: #323 Walter L. Newton

I'll say it again... Fox (Murdock 51%, an Arab 49%), Sky News (Murdock), New York Post (Murdock), The London Sun (Murdock) and that's only the tip of the iceberg.

MSM, all the same, all the time!

Just becasue he owns a bunch of media doesn't mean he's puppeteering the content.

363 zombie  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:43:33am

re: #299 Joo-LiZ

I think I can get it for you, I am in the process of getting something, I hope its the same vid as you wanted.

All I was able to get (video-wise) was the advertisements!

364 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:43:40am

re: #350 jwb7605

... and that's supposed to cheer us up how?

dammit! only one up-ding to give!
LOL!

365 albusteve  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:43:48am

re: #320 albusteve

whoops..
Oboy lost any mojo he might have had earlier this week...he fucked up playing golf and not paying attention to his LLL/ME minions...his first opportunity to rescue the worlds just past him by....imo

366 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:44:01am

re: #344 Nevergiveup

Come on Walter. FOX has it's faults but it is so much better than the other channels.

Yea, sure. Be happy, don't worry!

367 winston06  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:44:02am

Noah Pollack on FNC now... Good guy!

368 debutaunt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:44:07am

re: #162 MandyManners

What's an anchoress?

What's a Palestinian?

369 rwmofo  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:44:08am

re: #323 Walter L. Newton

I'll say it again... Fox (Murdock 51%, an Arab 49%), Sky News (Murdock), New York Post (Murdock), The London Sun (Murdock) and that's only the tip of the iceberg.

MSM, all the same, all the time!

At least FOX doesn't blacklist all conservatives. ABC has George Will, but NBC & CBS outright refuse to put a full-time conservative on air.

370 winston06  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:44:33am

The country of Palestine does not technically exist in the first place

371 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:44:44am
372 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:44:45am

re: #341 winston06

then he/she was an ignorant person who was ashamed of his/her heritage

he was a refugee from the islamic regime there.
i find it understandable to not want to be associated with it...

373 alegrias  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:44:45am

re: #277 Nevergiveup

Yeah she is a little weak on arguing. She pretty much just lets them drone on.

* * *
Jennifer Griffin of FOX news in past used to be a decent Middle East correspondent I thought.

She's perhaps become too wealthy and too establishment--like Valery Pflame?--living in Washington DC's tony NW neighborhood above the Vice President's house at the Naval Observatory. Loony liberal leftists live there.

374 jelo  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:44:51am

Recently chocked on my bacon and eggs when that fucker Tom Aspel on msnbc said something the the effect that the hamas rockets were just a nuisance.

Nuisance: One that is inconvenient, annoying, or vexatious; a bother: Having to stand in line was a nuisance. The disruptive child was a nuisance to the class.

Where does he and his family live? Someone needs to launch a few nuisance rockets into his backyard where his kids are playing!

375 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:44:55am

re: #350 jwb7605

... and that's supposed to cheer us up how?

I think FOX has been pretty pro-Israel. Sure they have some occasionally disgusting interviews and some of their people ( like Shep ) say pretty stupid things sometimes, but outside of Israeli TV, they are OK in my book.

376 Quilly Mammoth  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:44:56am

re: #267 Maximu§

If he doesn't do anything, he will lose face on the Arab street. Its a lose-lose situation for that Maniac.

Ahmonajihad sent his nuclear negotiator to visit Assada few hours ago.

377 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:45:06am

re: #332 winston06

wrong. I am an Iranian by birth. Persians consist more than 55% of the total population. Every one living within the Iranian plateau is considered an Iranian first and then his ethnicity might be of any concern. Vast majority of the people of Iran are pro-America to say the least.

Does Iran still allow emigration?
I know they've cracked down on it over the last few years.

378 winston06  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:45:07am

re: #372 buzzdroid

yep

379 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:45:24am

IDF spokesperson on the Beeb said that the IDF ahve trained long for this,a re prepared, know about the targets, are aware of the challenge, and again says that they have trained well for urban warfare for the last two years.

Air stikes are going on, navy is supporting, and the IDF may be tehre for some time, until they reach their goal, she said.

Wow!

380 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:45:24am

re: #354 Walter L. Newton

Some comments up thread seemed to think Fox had something over the others. I say Fox is just as much part of the problem. Just pointing that out.

And I agree completely with you. I've repeatedly called them a moby network, and I stand by that character assessment.

381 Joo-LiZ  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:45:25am

can you e-mail me with an address to reach you at? (blue nick)

382 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:45:31am

re: #361 winston06

i can understand that

Okay, good, because, for reasons of ethnic and cultural solidarity, I don't want to offend the descendants of the one and only ancient near east nation that didn't try to snuff out my ancestors.

383 winston06  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:45:58am

re: #377 jwb7605

Mullahs want people to leave Iran. Why not!? They can control people better if there's a lot less of them available. 150,000 highly trained young people leave Iran every year.

384 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:46:01am

re: #363 zombie

All I was able to get (video-wise) was the advertisements!

Did you see this up-thread?

re: #285 pre-Boomer Marine brat

It can be done if you have RealPlayer. Right-click on the bottom "window bar" and select "Download to RealPlayer" at the bottom of the menu which pops up. It'll bring it down to your machine.

385 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:46:07am

re: #342 Sharmuta

I'm actually a little surprised how weak the propaganda effort is this time. Where are the faked photographs? Where are the staged heart wrenching pictures?
I think the IDF videos are part of the reason there's been much MSM propaganda but something else has changed. Maybe they're wary of being busted and embarrassed again something is different this time.

386 albusteve  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:46:12am

re: #344 Nevergiveup

Come on Walter. FOX has it's faults but it is so much better than the other channels.

not good enough....they all suck...TV news is poison...there are other means if one can lose the fascination of talking heads, colorful commercials and multimillion dollar infosets for the hosts....puke

387 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:46:14am

re: #366 Walter L. Newton

Yea, sure. Be happy, don't worry!

Knock Fox as much as you want, but they love it in Israel!

388 winston06  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:46:20am

re: #382 Guanxi88

lol.... Go Persia!

389 alegrias  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:46:31am

re: #297 Nevergiveup

Why do you think she looks pregnant?

* * *
Jeniffer Griffin DID just have a baby. I heard that on Fox News, she was complaining of her baby fat.

390 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:46:37am

re: #369 rwmofo

At least FOX doesn't blacklist all conservatives. ABC has George Will, but NBC & CBS outright refuse to put a full-time conservative on air.

At least Fox has Buchcanan. Ha! Touche' from me. The media is the media. What about McRielly... he's turned into a real gem. Give me a break.

391 Mardukhai  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:46:39am

Hazak ve'Amatz! (Be strong and of good courage.)

392 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:46:52am

re: #371 Iron Fist

They are trying to lay the foundation for unconditional negiotiations with the Obamessiah when he is sworn in. I'm sure that they are looking forward to it. Obama will probably give them everything they ask for, while demanding nothing substantive in return.

The MSM will decide substantive. That's not something an ordinary simpleton could discern. You'd just call it spin, being uneducated and stuff ...

393 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:47:06am

re: #385 Killgore Trout

I'm actually a little surprised how weak the propaganda effort is this time. Where are the faked photographs? Where are the staged heart wrenching pictures?
I think the IDF videos are part of the reason there's been much MSM propaganda but something else has changed. Maybe they're wary of being busted and embarrassed again something is different this time.

Once bit and twice shy.

394 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:47:06am

re: #300 yma o hyd

VDH is spot on - in the last half hour the Beeb spent about the same time reporting on the portests in London as on the IDF campaign ...

Apparently some protesters were 'in conflict' with the police ... yeah, brave protesters - NOT!

I hope the police will be allowed to use their nightsticks as cluebats. Applying cluebats to moonbats has a beautiful symmetry, don't you think?

395 winston06  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:47:23am

okay... take care every one. I am going out for now. have a good day

396 psyop  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:47:32am

re: #385 Killgore Trout

Too busy running for their frickin' lives to fake shit.

International Media (usually complicit) probably realizes that their cameras won't protect them this time 'round.

397 redc1c4  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:47:37am

re: #254 zombie

Anybody good at extracting/downloading video embedded at Web pages?

Normally, I'm good at it, but I'm having real trouble with this one. It's related to this thread - -Gaza protests in SF.

If you know how to extract the video (i.e. download to hard drive) from this page, either tell me how to do it, or do it yourself and send it to me!

i can't even get it to laod properly to view, let alone save...

398 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:47:38am

Hamas "strategy": Kidnap Israeli soldiers.

Yeah... give 'em a state!

399 hazzyday  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:47:48am

keep the corrupt UN and the PC Euro Weenies out of the solutions. And don't let Condi in the door. None of them have Israel's interests as a goal. They will bring defeat with them and a further erosion of the ability of Israel to defend itself.

400 pat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:47:52am

Almost all the Iranians-Americans I meet call themselves Persian. Of course they may be Persian. I would not know. They seem to want to differentiate between their heritage or culture and the current regime.

401 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:48:02am

re: #383 winston06

Mullahs want people to leave Iran. Why not!? They can control people better if there's a lot less of them available. 150,000 highly trained young people leave Iran every year.

I can think of one group that has trouble. Headquarters for the group, oddly enough, is located in Haifa.

402 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:48:12am

re: #385 Killgore Trout

I'm actually a little surprised how weak the propaganda effort is this time. Where are the faked photographs? Where are the staged heart wrenching pictures?
I think the IDF videos are part of the reason there's been much MSM propaganda but something else has changed. Maybe they're wary of being busted and embarrassed again something is different this time.

That, and, just a guess here, but arranging photo-ops is hard when your set keeps blowing up.

403 albusteve  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:48:21am

re: #371 Iron Fist

They are trying to lay the foundation for unconditional negiotiations with the Obamessiah when he is sworn in. I'm sure that they are looking forward to it. Obama will probably give them everything they ask for, while demanding nothing substantive in return.

is Gaza a country?...can the president do this legally...am I stupoid again?

404 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:48:39am

re: #387 Nevergiveup

Knock Fox as much as you want, but they love it in Israel!

So, you got Israelis that want to give the land back to whoever. So, that makes it good?

405 pat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:48:42am

re: #383 winston06

Mullahs want people to leave Iran. Why not!? They can control people better if there's a lot less of them available. 150,000 highly trained young people leave Iran every year.

wow.Is it that easy? Where do they go?

406 traderjoe9  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:48:45am

I guess my cousin chose quote a moment to get thrown into military prison.

407 NY Nana  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:49:07am

re: #257 buzzdroid

Here is the coverage with photos from Sky.

408 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:49:07am

Ehud Barak doing a statement right now.

409 rwmofo  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:49:14am

re: #390 Walter L. Newton

At least Fox has Buchcanan. Ha! Touche' from me. The media is the media. What about McRielly... he's turned into a real gem. Give me a break.

I didn't defend Buchanan, O'Reilly or anyone for that matter. ...and don't get me started on Geraldo. I voted for McCain only because I could hold my nose while voting.

410 jaunte  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:49:14am

re: #385 Killgore Trout

Some of the IAF effort may have impacted their propaganda-generating equipment and personnel.

411 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:49:28am

re: #177 MandyManners

I wonder if the IDF will have videos of this on Youtube.

Mandy -

I expect so after the footage is passed on by Military Censors.

-S-

412 greenmiler  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:49:31am

Total sea blockade of #Gaza as Naval forces also attack from multiple locations. GazaWar..from Muqata

413 albusteve  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:49:33am

re: #385 Killgore Trout

I'm actually a little surprised how weak the propaganda effort is this time. Where are the faked photographs? Where are the staged heart wrenching pictures?
I think the IDF videos are part of the reason there's been much MSM propaganda but something else has changed. Maybe they're wary of being busted and embarrassed again something is different this time.

heh...Charles is armed and ready to go I'm sure...

414 smokefire  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:49:39am

.........kind of like a turnaround here. Didn't the Arabs want to push Israel into the sea.
My take, here, is don't stop until Gaza is a Hamas free Zone.

415 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:49:41am

This is going to plan.

Let's hope the force of the attack coupled with the punches thrown to date disrupt them severely and force a fast go down. I expect plenty of hard fighting but one can hope.

I also look forward to Fatah operatives pointing out Hamas leaders and weapons caches. No regime can survive when an enemy army occupies its territory. As of this moment, Hamas will never bother Israel for a very long time.

The Israelis are going to hand over the strip to Egypt and the PA as soon as they can finish mopping up.

On a purely, I hate them and let's mock these idiots off the map, let's help humiliate the Hamasniks, they are all going to jail or hell, so Ismail Haniyeh, if you survive, your prison bitch name is: Liberace! You departed buddy Nizar Rayyan would have been Count Suckula, so I am sure he is much happier than you will be.

416 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:50:07am

re: #358 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

...and one ball.

Well, his heirs are in Gaza now. Hamas is as evil as the Nazis and they share the same genocidal aspirations. May the IDF crush the dreams of Hamas to dust, just as was done to Hitler's ambitions!

417 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:50:17am

re: #408 buzzdroid

Ehud Barak doing a statement right now.

where?

418 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:50:35am

re: #385 Killgore Trout

I'm actually a little surprised how weak the propaganda effort is this time. Where are the faked photographs? Where are the staged heart wrenching pictures?
I think the IDF videos are part of the reason there's been much MSM propaganda but something else has changed. Maybe they're wary of being busted and embarrassed again something is different this time.

i think you're right - they got busted with "fauxtography" and QanaGate last time round...
more cautious this time.

419 Mardukhai  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:50:41am

Actually, the Persians did wipe out the Jews of Judea during the last Sassanid invasion of the sixth century, AD. They were apparently trying to get on the good graces of Emperor Heracleas before retreating. There doesn't seem to be any military reason for what happened, but there are relatively few sources for that war.

420 alegrias  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:50:41am

re: #323 Walter L. Newton

I'll say it again... Fox (Murdock 51%, an Arab 49%), Sky News (Murdock), New York Post (Murdock), The London Sun (Murdock) and that's only the tip of the iceberg.

MSM, all the same, all the time!

* * *
You forget the Wall Street Journal--now Murdoch owned. And, it's FANTASTIC! Nothing like the rotten leftist MSM at all.

421 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:50:46am

re: #385 Killgore Trout

I'm actually a little surprised how weak the propaganda effort is this time. Where are the faked photographs? Where are the staged heart wrenching pictures?
I think the IDF videos are part of the reason there's been much MSM propaganda but something else has changed. Maybe they're wary of being busted and embarrassed again something is different this time.

I think part of the problem is that even the MFMSM are being impacted by the economy. Right now, all they care about is keeping their jobs because they are seeing the waning of their industry. They don't give a crap about the Palestinians or doctoring photos especially since they all know that the doctored photos were easily identifiable. If I was the head of a news desk that needed to fire someone, I'd fire people who embarrass the company first. These cowards in the media are only concerned with themselves. They only like the Palestinian cause when it benefits them. In this time of global economic meltdown, this story doesn't benefit them and hence there won't be the same kind of coverage as there was in the Lebanon war.

422 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:50:59am

Feel free to list Hamas leaders and let them know what their names are!

423 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:51:04am

God Speed Israel.

Hatikva-The National Anthem of Israel

424 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:51:21am

re: #412 greenmiler

Total sea blockade of #Gaza as Naval forces also attack from multiple locations. GazaWar..from Muqata

marine landings ? or just naval missile and gun bombardment?

425 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:51:25am

re: #417 HoosierHoops

where?

It's over... FNC missed it for some stupid commercials...

426 zombie  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:51:43am

re: #356 Joo-LiZ

Alright, I now have the whole vid (5min5sec long) saved as a quicktime .mov, but it is 18.5 MB....

I got your emails, and am awaiting the YouSendIt notification. Thanks!

427 broomer  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:51:56am

re: #315 Catttt

Channel 1 - first link on left - live streaming - Israel station. They have a deaf interpreter (I actually understand more of the sign language than the Hebrew).

I'm looking at it but I don't see any interpreter.

428 alegrias  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:52:01am

re: #342 Sharmuta

Why is anyone surprised Israel's the "bad guy" in this?!

* * *
Sorry, not buying it!

Israel Rocks. Always has, in my book.

429 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:52:01am

re: #419 Mardukhai

Actually, the Persians did wipe out the Jews of Judea during the last Sassanid invasion of the sixth century, AD. They were apparently trying to get on the good graces of Emperor Heracleas before retreating. There doesn't seem to be any military reason for what happened, but there are relatively few sources for that war.

You see, there you go with your "history". Me, I know about the Persians as far as when they sent the captives home, and I sort of leave it there.

Besides, weren't the Sassanids Greek (culturally) anyway?

430 gmsc  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:52:11am

re: #422 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Feel free to list Hamas leaders and let them know what their names are!

Now that would be a repetitive list!

Muhammed Mohammed al-Mohummad
Mohammed Muhammed al-Mohummad
Mohummad Muhammed al-Mohammed
. . .

431 Dave the.....  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:52:12am

Winston

The country of Palestine does not technically exist in the first place

It exists just like the country of Appalachia exists. Or the nation of Midwest exists.

As most of us know, the Palestinian people weren't invented until 1967.

432 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:52:14am
433 psyop  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:52:15am

re: #398 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Hamas "strategy": Kidnap Israeli soldiers.

Yeah... give 'em a state!

If there is one thing I truly hope for in this whole thing, it is that no IDF get captured.

Believe me when I say, a quick death is better than what will most likely happen to any captured soldiers.

Absolutely the most horrific thing that I saw during my time in combat was the videos showing the torture and slow death of prisoners. Truly evil stuff.

434 Venflon  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:52:18am

re: #343 yma o hyd

Just going after the report from one Beeb reporter in Gaza City, who again peddled the lie that everybody is starving in Gaza, disregarding the tons of stuff sent in by israel in the last few days, I am beginning to think that ordianry people might perhaps realise how they've been used, and how Hamas has stolen the food from their mouths.

Which then makes me think that there could well be an uprising against the hamasthugs by the ordinary Palestinians.

hmm, possible, though one needs to recall this was going on well before hamas took power, suicide bombing, weapon smuggling, all under the rule of the "moderate" fatah regime and with their encouragement.

"The IDF spokesperson just said again that Israel does not aim to occupy Gaza again."
And now the security minister has said in a televised broadcast that we're going into a "very long engagement"
I'm just wondering what the middle ground is for these two statements.

435 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:52:31am

re: #419 Mardukhai

Actually, the Persians did wipe out the Jews of Judea during the last Sassanid invasion of the sixth century, AD. They were apparently trying to get on the good graces of Emperor Heracleas before retreating. There doesn't seem to be any military reason for what happened, but there are relatively few sources for that war.

Persia's borders at the time were not exactly confined to what we now call Iran, either.

436 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:52:35am

re: #420 alegrias

* * *
You forget the Wall Street Journal--now Murdoch owned. And, it's FANTASTIC! Nothing like the rotten leftist MSM at all.

Ah, do you actually read it. The only area that is conservative is certain columns on it's editorial pages. Please don't point out something if you know nothing about it.

437 Sunlight  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:52:38am

Gaza is the new Falluja... clear and hold. Work with the neighborhoods (if they will).

438 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:52:40am
439 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:52:51am

re: #425 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

It's over... FNC missed it for some stupid commercials...

I am sure it was in Hebrew anyway

440 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:52:52am

Gawd - now they've got an Israeli student from Tel Aviv on the phone - who is 'against' all that. He wants peace talks, like the UN wants ...

Suicidal - throwing away all his parents and grandparents have been fighting and dieing for. Terminal stupidity - talk with Hamas? And he lives in Israel?

Words fail me ...

441 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:53:04am

re: #417 HoosierHoops

where?

was just on sky news. live from tel aviv.
short statement in hebrew AND english.

( which is different to the Hez war , when olmert would make most statements in just hebrew.. all part of the new PR battle...)

442 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:53:06am

re: #421 Jetpilot1101

That's a good point. News agencies are really hurting financially right now and they might be cautious about taking risks.

443 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:53:17am

re: #422 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Feel free to list Hamas leaders and let them know what their names are!

ShortShit's is Sodom Insane.

444 greenmiler  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:53:21am

doesn't say, just the one line

445 jcm  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:53:24am

re: #371 Iron Fist

They are trying to lay the foundation for unconditional negiotiations with the Obamessiah when he is sworn in. I'm sure that they are looking forward to it. Obama will probably give them everything they ask for, while demanding nothing substantive in return.

Peace in our time!

446 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:53:47am

re: #432 ploome hineni

See, we can agree on something!

447 Catttt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:53:49am

re: #427 broomer

I'm looking at it but I don't see any interpreter.

Ooooh. Bathroom break? Maybe I hallucinated him? Hmmmm.

448 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:53:52am

re: #428 alegrias

* * *
Sorry, not buying it!

Israel Rocks. Always has, in my book.

I meant from the msm position.

449 Quilly Mammoth  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:54:01am

CNN and Fox live feeds are getting hammered.

450 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:54:10am

re: #439 Nevergiveup

I am sure it was in Hebrew anyway

Nope.

451 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:54:13am

I'm watching Al Jazeera coverage now. Very funny. Some Israeli chick is schooling them now. Heh

452 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:54:25am

re: #433 psyop

If there is one thing I truly hope for in this whole thing, it is that no IDF get captured.

Believe me when I say, a quick death is better than what will most likely happen to any captured soldiers.

Absolutely the most horrific thing that I saw during my time in combat was the videos showing the torture and slow death of prisoners. Truly evil stuff.

A special kind of bastard to do that to a captured soldier. I think the IDF can work the operation so as to virtually eliminate any POW risks.

453 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:54:38am

re: #415 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

This is going to plan.

Let's hope the force of the attack coupled with the punches thrown to date disrupt them severely and force a fast go down. I expect plenty of hard fighting but one can hope.

I also look forward to Fatah operatives pointing out Hamas leaders and weapons caches. No regime can survive when an enemy army occupies its territory. As of this moment, Hamas will never bother Israel for a very long time.

The Israelis are going to hand over the strip to Egypt and the PA as soon as they can finish mopping up.

On a purely, I hate them and let's mock these idiots off the map, let's help humiliate the Hamasniks, they are all going to jail or hell, so Ismail Haniyeh, if you survive, your prison bitch name is: Liberace! You departed buddy Nizar Rayyan would have been Count Suckula, so I am sure he is much happier than you will be.

LMAO! Loves it!

454 alegrias  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:54:51am

re: #350 jwb7605

... and that's supposed to cheer us up how?

* * *
Same way that Charles Johnson's LGF is better than other blogs.

Fox News is NOT like leftist-addled media.

455 albusteve  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:55:04am

re: #420 alegrias

* * *
You forget the Wall Street Journal--now Murdoch owned. And, it's FANTASTIC! Nothing like the rotten leftist MSM at all.

RM is making money...Fox has it's viewership...Fox doesnt sell idology they buy it...

456 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:55:05am

re: #394 Dark_Falcon

Heh.
One of the protesters was foaming at the mouth about the 'vicious police attack, mroe vicious than anything seen since the miners' strikes' - police said a few people were 'detained' ...

457 traderjoe9  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:55:08am

re: #440 yma o hyd

Gawd - now they've got an Israeli student from Tel Aviv on the phone - who is 'against' all that. He wants peace talks, like the UN wants ...

Suicidal - throwing away all his parents and grandparents have been fighting and dieing for. Terminal stupidity - talk with Hamas? And he lives in Israel?

Words fail me ...

Most people in Tel Aviv are idiots...its like our very own San Francisco.

458 Miss Molly  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:55:09am

Obama's attitude toward Israel will probably be a problem for Israel but I would guess Israel will bypass Obama if not just ignore him altogether. Israel has a lot of support in Congress and from the American public. Carter didn't have any luck trying to make Israel do what he wanted them to do and I don't think Obama will fair any better.

What a lovely thought to think that Obama will be out of office by 2012 but this guy will hang on to the White House by doing anything and everything he has to do to keep it for 2 terms. Barry cares about Barry first and everything and everyone else is way down list from that.

459 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:55:20am

re: #454 alegrias

* * *
Same way that Charles Johnson's LGF is better than other blogs.

Fox News is NOT like leftist-addled media.

Exactly

460 debutaunt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:55:25am

re: #253 Lincolntf

CNN just ran a crawl that said "Israel starts large scale troop drafting".

Umm, "drafting"? How in the world does NOBODY at the network know that that is the entirely wrong word for Reservist call-ups?
Actually, I'm sute they know, but they want to exacerbate the "dreadfulness" of Israel's actions.


The left has been baffled by the volunteer army here in the US. It sounds like they are trying to make it appear that people in Israel have to be forced to serve.

461 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:55:29am

sky news now have some pallywooder on the phone live from gaza.

462 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:55:32am

re: #445 jcm

Peace in our time!

Field or English? Fresh or frozen?

Happy and Prosperous New Year!

/uh ... sitting or standing?

463 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:55:33am

re: #451 Killgore Trout

I'm watching Al Jazeera coverage now. Very funny. Some Israeli chick is schooling them now. Heh

Huh? You watching some kind of soft-porn program?

464 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:55:41am

re: #442 Killgore Trout

That's a good point. News agencies are really hurting financially right now and they might be cautious about taking risks.

With the exception of FOX, all of them continue to lose viewers and readers. A couple bad decisions and the stock heads south in a bigger hurry followed by a visit to the unemployment office.

465 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:55:51am

re: #457 traderjoe9

Most people in Tel Aviv are idiots...its like our very own San Francisco.

Some people in Tel Aviv--not most

466 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:56:12am

re: #463 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

It's hilarious.

467 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:56:34am

re: #440 yma o hyd

Gawd - now they've got an Israeli student from Tel Aviv on the phone - who is 'against' all that. He wants peace talks, like the UN wants ...

Suicidal - throwing away all his parents and grandparents have been fighting and dieing for. Terminal stupidity - talk with Hamas? And he lives in Israel?

Words fail me ...

Is it just me or do people seem to get dumber while they're in college?

468 AuntAcid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:56:44am

re: #353 buzzdroid

oh god - they got another arab apologist on sky news saying that
IT IS THE MOST DENSELY POPULATED PLACE ON EARTH...

no it f**king IS NOT!

i wish to GOD someone in the media would point out that this is utter bullshit.

use Google Maps for christs sake! zoom in! look at "overcrowded" gaza in it...

ARRRGHH!

anyone got an email address for sky news to complain?

It just feels more densely populated because no one bathes.

469 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:56:45am

re: #189 Venflon

tsk tsk..

?

470 alegrias  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:56:58am

re: #390 Walter L. Newton

At least Fox has Buchcanan. Ha! Touche' from me. The media is the media. What about McRielly... he's turned into a real gem. Give me a break.

* * *
I like O'Reilly better than I like you! Not that there's anything wrong with that.

471 zombie  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:57:07am

re: #381 Joo-LiZ

can you e-mail me with an address to reach you at? (blue nick)

I got the video already! Great, fast work!

472 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:57:14am

re: #454 alegrias

* * *
Same way that Charles Johnson's LGF is better than other blogs.

Fox News is NOT like leftist-addled media.

I consider Fox news (disclaimer: my favorite) to bend with the prevailing winds.

As an example, I would refer you to the presidential election. Where they started is not where they ended.

473 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:57:21am

re: #443 MandyManners

It works!

474 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:57:45am

re: #466 Killgore Trout

It's hilarious.

Details?

475 Militant-Infidel  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:57:55am

re: #363 zombie

All I was able to get (video-wise) was the advertisements!

Zombie:

Here is the actual URL for the video:

[Link: mfile.akamai.com...]

MI

476 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:58:09am

re: #461 buzzdroid

sky news now have some pallywooder on the phone live from gaza.

Sorry, I'll have to hang up now, I have an M-60 tank in my kitchen, and some nice young men who want me to go with them.

477 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:58:18am

re: #353 buzzdroid

oh god - they got another arab apologist on sky news saying that IT IS THE MOST DENSELY POPULATED PLACE ON EARTH... no it f**king IS NOT! i wish to GOD someone in the media would point out that this is utter bullshit. use Google Maps for christs sake! zoom in! look at "overcrowded" gaza in it... ARRRGHH!
anyone got an email address for sky news to complain?

Yes, Sky News another Murdock outlet. Feh.

478 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:58:47am

re: #476 Dustyvet

Sorry, I'll have to hang up now, I have an M-60 tank in my kitchen, and some nice young men who want me to go with them.

M-60? Damn dude, you are old, too!

479 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:58:47am

BBIAB

480 Frank_Mtl  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:58:47am

From [Link: muqata.blogspot.com...]

9:47 PM CNN reports: Reacting to the [IDF] incursion, chief negotiator for the Palestinian Authority Saeb Erakat said: "What this will do is undermine the peace process."

Thanks Saeb -- if you define "peace process" as the weakening of Israel, then I guess you are correct. If it means stabilizing the Middle East for democracy, them I would have to disagree with your erudite analysis.

LOL

481 jamgarr  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:58:58am

Go IDF!

482 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:58:59am

re: #472 jwb7605

I consider Fox news (disclaimer: my favorite) to bend with the prevailing winds.

As an example, I would refer you to the presidential election. Where they started is not where they ended.

True, but were they ended was still far to the right of anyone else.

483 Opinionated  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:59:13am

JPost: IDF destroys rocket launcher operating in refugee camp cemetery

Expect a condemnation of Israel killing innocent already dead civilians.

484 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:59:42am

re: #478 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

M-60? Damn dude, you are old, too!

Yup, I was a road guard at the, oh you know the bit LT...:)

485 jcm  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:00:07pm

re: #462 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Field or English? Fresh or frozen?

Happy and Prosperous New Year!

/uh ... sitting or standing?

Whirled!

486 Catttt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:00:24pm

In case this wonderful video has not been linked today:

A Prayer for Israel - Psalm 83

And here is the text of the psalm

Psalm 83
A song. A psalm of Asaph.
O God, do not keep silent;
be not quiet, O God, be not still.

See how your enemies are astir,
how your foes rear their heads.

With cunning they conspire against your people;
they plot against those you cherish.

"Come," they say, "let us destroy them as a nation,
that the name of Israel be remembered no more."

With one mind they plot together;
they form an alliance against you-

the tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites,
of Moab and the Hagrites,

Gebal, [a] Ammon and Amalek,
Philistia, with the people of Tyre.

Even Assyria has joined them
to lend strength to the descendants of Lot.
Selah

Do to them as you did to Midian,
as you did to Sisera and Jabin at the river Kishon,

who perished at Endor
and became like refuse on the ground.

Make their nobles like Oreb and Zeeb,
all their princes like Zebah and Zalmunna,

who said, "Let us take possession
of the pasturelands of God."

Make them like tumbleweed, O my God,
like chaff before the wind.

As fire consumes the forest
or a flame sets the mountains ablaze,

so pursue them with your tempest
and terrify them with your storm.

Cover their faces with shame
so that men will seek your name, O LORD.

May they ever be ashamed and dismayed;
may they perish in disgrace.

Let them know that you, whose name is the LORD—
that you alone are the Most High over all the earth.

487 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:00:26pm

re: #483 Opinionated

JPost: IDF destroys rocket launcher operating in refugee camp cemetery

Expect a condemnation of Israel killing innocent already dead civilians.

As long as it wasn't a Native American Sacred Burial ground, we'll be OK.

488 Dianna  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:00:37pm

re: #467 Dark_Falcon

Is it just me or do people seem to get dumber while they're in college?

It's not just you. It's the one time in your life when you're absolutely sure of every little thing. And it's also the one time in your life when your opinion doesn't risk a whack upside the head.

So...people become certain that everything can be solved by talking.

489 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:00:37pm

Wow pretty big boom in Gaza

490 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:00:47pm
JPost: IDF destroys rocket launcher operating in refugee camp cemetery

Expect a condemnation of Israel killing innocent already dead civilians.

Nice - will they be double-counted, then, since the evil zionists were probably responsible for their deaths the first, second, and third times they died?

491 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:00:53pm

re: #478 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

M-60? Damn dude, you are old, too!

Well, son, I pre-date the M-48.
How would you like a Sherman?

492 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:00:54pm
493 Venflon  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:00:56pm

re: #469 itellu3times

?

Just.. not happy with this ground incursion, I guess it was needed and warranted, I'm just not thrilled about it. If you understand what I'm trying to say.

494 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:01:04pm

Did you see that huge explosion on fox right now?
Whoa!

495 rwmofo  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:01:09pm

Huge baby milk explosion in the background on FNC.

496 greenmiler  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:01:14pm

Huge fire in the south (Gaza) on fox

497 solomonpanting  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:01:14pm

re: #467 Dark_Falcon

Is it just me or do people seem to get dumber while they're in college?

It's not you. Look who their teachers and mentors are.

498 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:01:29pm

re: #482 Nevergiveup

True, but were they ended was still far to the right of anyone else.

at the risk of repeating myself ...

499 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:01:38pm

re: #487 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

As long as it wasn't a Native American Sacred Burial ground, we'll be OK.

Future Chicago voters?

500 Crimsonfisted  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:01:43pm

Total sea blockade of #Gaza as Naval forces also attack from multiple locations. #GazaWar 21 minutes ago from web

501 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:01:46pm

re: #494 HoosierHoops

Did you see that huge explosion on fox right now?
Whoa!

Still burning like crazy--looks like a fuel depot or something

502 Joo-LiZ  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:01:59pm

re: #434 Venflon

hmm, possible, though one needs to recall this was going on well before hamas took power, suicide bombing, weapon smuggling, all under the rule of the "moderate" fatah regime and with their encouragement.

"The IDF spokesperson just said again that Israel does not aim to occupy Gaza again."
And now the security minister has said in a televised broadcast that we're going into a "very long engagement"
I'm just wondering what the middle ground is for these two statements.

Temporary occupation. Clean out the strip, then hand it over to --- to --- someone?

503 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:02:01pm

re: #489 Nevergiveup

Wow pretty big boom in Gaza

sky news is showing that now... big BIG fire... looks like some sort of fuel depot has been hit?

504 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:02:01pm

That is a hell of a fire on FNC.

505 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:02:03pm
506 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:02:04pm

re: #493 Venflon

Just.. not happy with this ground incursion, I guess it was needed and warranted, I'm just not thrilled about it. If you understand what I'm trying to say.

I've been saying the same for days.

Thanks for your posts.

507 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:02:15pm

re: #493 Venflon

Just.. not happy with this ground incursion, I guess it was needed and warranted, I'm just not thrilled about it. If you understand what I'm trying to say.

I hear you. Stand off a while longer, keep up the shelling and bombardment for as long as possible, that would be the way I'd like to have seen this thing go.

Still, I suppose - and hope - they know what they're doing.

508 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:02:15pm
509 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:02:20pm

re: #456 yma o hyd

Heh.
One of the protesters was foaming at the mouth about the 'vicious police attack, mroe vicious than anything seen since the miners' strikes' - police said a few people were 'detained' ...

If Gordon Brown lets the Islamists get the beatdown the CMU got at Orgreave, I will sing his praises. If they are pounded hard enough it just might convince some of them that supporting sharia isn't worth the grief and risk.

510 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:02:33pm

re: #383 winston06

Mullahs want people to leave Iran. Why not!? They can control people better if there's a lot less of them available. 150,000 highly trained young people leave Iran every year.

winston06 -

Their BAD - OUR GAIN - obviously the Mullahs have learned nothing about the concept of "Brain Drain."

-S-

511 opnion  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:02:44pm

re: #452 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

A special kind of bastard to do that to a captured soldier. I think the IDF can work the operation so as to virtually eliminate any POW risks.


Israeli prisoners would be a truly bad scenario. I am sure every IDF soldier is aware of what type of horror they would face & would even take extreme measures tio avoid capture.

512 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:02:47pm

re: #484 Dustyvet

Yup, I was a road guard at the, oh you know the bit LT...:)

ROFLMAO.

It's funny... I talk to my kids who are "up" on current weapons and such and feel like such an old fart with my 1970's and 80's info.

I wonder if that is how WW1 vets felt like discussing military things with civilians in 1942...

513 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:02:55pm

re: #498 jwb7605

at the risk of repeating myself ...

Yes--they still are far closer to my views on the world and the USA than any other TV news outlet. And most of the time I am happy watching them with out puking. I don't expect to agree with them or anyone all the time.

514 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:02:57pm

re: #491 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Well, son, I pre-date the M-48.
How would you like a Sherman?

Does it have leather seats?

515 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:03:17pm

re: #500 Crimsonfisted

Total sea blockade of #Gaza as Naval forces also attack from multiple locations. #GazaWar 21 minutes ago from web

Which is exactly why I asked about the Amphibious Assault Vehicles.

GO IDF! You ROCK!
(OOH RAH!)

516 Dianna  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:03:37pm

re: #495 rwmofo

Huge baby milk explosion in the background on FNC.

Well, as the Male just pointed out, baby milk powder, in the presence of an oxydizer, will go "boom" quite satisfactorily!

517 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:03:51pm

re: #483 Opinionated

JPost: IDF destroys rocket launcher operating in refugee camp cemetery

Expect a condemnation of Israel killing innocent already dead civilians Chicago voters.

fixed.

518 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:04:02pm

re: #491 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Well, son, I pre-date the M-48.
How would you like a Sherman?

Damn... that is old. How'd you fit in the Mother anyway? Was it a Mk I or Mk II? Did you really have to wear that chain thing over your face?

519 Dianna  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:04:08pm

The Male needs to work on my system.

Wish us luck!

520 NY Nana  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:04:11pm

I got this video* from an Israeli who I have known since he was 3...he is almost 50 now....he was the one who was pro-Obama, and we used to fight about it. Now? He is sorry he voted for him, and scared for Israel.

On the radio: 4 IDF killed....may the enemy lose 1 million for every murdered Jew.

*The video is in English...you will see Hebrew before it starts.

521 hazzyday  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:04:26pm

Our local media in Seattle; Fox, and ABC both consistently point out how one sided the fatalities are on the Palestianian side and how sad that is. Compare that to how joyful they are when American casualties in Iraq are low. I would say these mainstream media are engaging in a strong form of anti-semitism.

522 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:04:32pm

re: #483 Opinionated

JPost: IDF destroys rocket launcher operating in refugee camp cemetery

Expect a condemnation of Israel killing innocent already dead civilians.

From the article: "...located in the Jebaliya refugee camp..."

From my maps, that's near the northern outskirts of Gaza City.

523 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:04:53pm

small arms fire in the background on sky news.

524 Opinionated  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:04:54pm

re: #487 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

As long as it wasn't a Native American Sacred Burial ground, we'll be OK.

Also the Democrats might be upset. Some of their most reliable voters are found in cemeteries.

525 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:04:55pm

re: #513 Nevergiveup

Yes--they still are far closer to my views on the world and the USA than any other TV news outlet. And most of the time I am happy watching them with out puking. I don't expect to agree with them or anyone all the time.

Don't you just hate being right? That exactly describes my position, with "most" being the operative term.

526 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:05:10pm

re: #473 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

It works!

Barak Obama's is something even I won't post here.

527 Venflon  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:05:29pm

re: #502 Joo-LiZ

Temporary occupation. Clean out the strip, then hand it over to --- to --- someone?


Right, just what I was wondering..

re: #507 Guanxi88

I hear you. Stand off a while longer, keep up the shelling and bombardment for as long as possible, that would be the way I'd like to have seen this thing go.

Still, I suppose - and hope - they know what they're doing.


Couldn't have said it better myself.

528 transient  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:05:37pm

Watching CNN live streaming video, which is a bit masochistic, but Christiane Amanpour is trying to grill Israeli spokesman Mark Regev.
Regev is great. I have lost a lot of respect for Amanpour over the years. She has no insight.

529 Joo-LiZ  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:05:45pm

re: #521 hazzyday

Our local media in Seattle; Fox, and ABC both consistently point out how one sided the fatalities are on the Palestianian side and how sad that is. Compare that to how joyful they are when American casualties in Iraq are low. I would say these mainstream media are engaging in a strong form of anti-semitism.

Or america-centrism.... Were they complaining the same way at the one-sided nature of the Russia-Georgia war, last summer?

530 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:05:59pm

re: #524 Opinionated

Also the Democrats might be upset. Some of their most reliable voters are found in cemeteries.

Yes, but not in Gaza... oh wait... that changed in 2008.

531 opnion  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:06:11pm

FNC just had some Arab chick on working for the NY Times in Gaza.
She reported next to nothing, but gave a hysterical pro-Hamas infomercial.
One thing she did say though that was interesting is that the civilians are upset that Hamas is not defending them.

532 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:06:20pm

re: #525 jwb7605

Don't you just hate being right? That exactly describes my position, with "most" being the operative term.

And there is some paper or person or station you always agree with? I have learned things from watching FOX. Fox change the whole face to TV news. Give it some credit.

533 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:06:27pm

re: #515 jwb7605

Which is exactly why I asked about the Amphibious Assault Vehicles.

GO IDF! You ROCK!
(OOH RAH!)

marine landing?

woo-haa! sounds like a pincer movement... push them back so that the hamassholes are trapped in a rats nest of their own seething...


sidenote: hello "protestors" - fat lot of f**king good your Hamas loving "protest" did today, eh?

GO IDF!

534 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:06:32pm

re: #522 pre-Boomer Marine brat

May St. Michael and all his angels fight with Israel

On a lighter note:

MWAH!

535 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:06:37pm

re: #521 hazzyday

Our local media in Seattle; Fox, and ABC both consistently point out how one sided the fatalities are on the Palestianian side and how sad that is. Compare that to how joyful they are when American casualties in Iraq are low. I would say these mainstream media are engaging in a strong form of anti-semitism.

Consistent is the word that occurs to me as far as who they enjoy seeing dead.

536 desdichado  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:06:43pm

France has set a new record of 1147 burnt-out cars during New Year's.

You know, the "youth"....

This is 30% more than last year, even though the police were out in force (35,000 men deployed). Two hundred eighty people were arrested.

537 transient  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:06:53pm

I wish Amanpour had the guts to challenge the Arabs the way she is trying to grill Regev.

538 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:07:01pm

GO IDF!

539 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:07:10pm

Aljazeera reporting that the Israelis just blew up an orphanage.

540 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:07:17pm

re: #531 opnion

FNC just had some Arab chick on working for the NY Times in Gaza.
She reported next to nothing, but gave a hysterical pro-Hamas infomercial.
One thing she did say though that was interesting is that the civilians are upset that Hamas is not defending them.

Hmm... you FNC is different from mine. No Arab chick here.

541 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:07:22pm

re: #530 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Yes, but not in Gaza... oh wait... that changed in 2008.

Sad, very sad.

542 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:07:29pm

I love the name of the operation "Cast Lead". Hail of bullets would have been better but I'll take what I can get.

543 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:08:04pm

re: #539 Killgore Trout

Aljazeera reporting that the Israelis just blew up an orphanage.

Orphan missiles?

544 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:08:07pm

re: #528 transient

Watching CNN live streaming video, which is a bit masochistic, but Christiane Amanpour is trying to grill Israeli spokesman Mark Regev.
Regev is great. I have lost a lot of respect for Amanpour over the years. She has no insight.

I'm watching the same at the moment, just to torture myself. Amanpour might as well sign up for the Hamas payroll, if she isn't on it already.

545 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:08:25pm

re: #514 HoosierHoops

Does it have leather seats?

I doubt it ... HOWEVER ... a Neiman Marcus Christmas catalog from the mid-Nineties showed a restored British Army Ferret armored car for only $40K or so. (minus the machine gun, dammit!) What kind of accessories would you like with that, sir?

546 jamgarr  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:08:32pm

Amanpour giving Israel hell on Cnn!

/Spit!

547 Fluffster  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:08:38pm

re: #101 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

You have to be Western, well-equipped, and expertly trained to pull it off. Otherwise you have the world's greatest CF and a lot of Blue on Blue fires.

Or Red on Red, perhaps :)

548 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:08:43pm

re: #530 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Yes, but not in Gaza... oh wait... that changed in 2008.

Hey LT, did you know that Robert Stroud "The Bird Man of Alcatraz" is buried in Metropolis, Illinois? Wonder if he's a registered voter?

549 bluestar  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:08:50pm

Good hunting IDF - Chazak, Chazak!
We pray for Tzahal's brave soldiers.

550 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:09:06pm

EU presidency says sees ground incursion as defensive, not offensive:

'EU presidency says sees ground incursion as defensive, not offensive'

Yesssss!
Thats the Czech presidency - if the Fwench still had the EU presidency, they'd say something totally different!

551 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:09:08pm

re: #544 Occasional Reader

I'm watching the same at the moment, just to torture myself. Amanpour might as well sign up for the Hamas payroll, if she isn't on it already.

And her husband is Jewish, isn't he?

552 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:09:09pm

Fox News coverage is horrible. It's been a constant parade of Palestinian shills all morning.

553 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:09:16pm

re: #539 Killgore Trout

Aljazeera reporting that the Israelis just blew up an orphanage.

Well, that's a lie right there. Everybody watching Al jazeera knows that the Israelis target children exclusively, and are so ruthless that they leave no survivors. Therefore, there are no orphanages there, and therefore the report is a zionist plant to curry sympathy for zionists interests and make the dignified and truth-loving Al Jazeera look foolish.

554 albusteve  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:09:18pm

re: #505 Iron Fist

I think that you could argue that Gaza is a country. It has its own elected government, enforces its own laws, etc. It doesn't have much in the way of a real military, but neither does Lichtenstein.

The President has a lot of leeway with how his Administration handels foreign policy. He can even sign treaties and other instruments of "international" law, although in the case of treaties the Senate has to ratify them.

That is, after all, what Clinton did with Kyoto. He signed it, but didn't even ask the Senate to ratify it. Obama could certainly do similar things with the Palestinians in Gaza, but given the composition of the Senate I suspect that he could get most any kind of treaty he wanted through it.

Except for Kyoto. Not even the Democrats will sign on to that attack on the American Economy in disguise as a "climate" treaty.

Kyoto is an agreement bewteen sovereign states....Gaza may well not be...not that it would set a precedent but I'm just curious about the technicality

555 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:09:21pm

re: #519 Dianna

The Male needs to work on my system.

Wish us luck!

I am NOT going to touch that one!

556 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:09:26pm

Oh, fuck you sideways, Amanpour.

557 harrisam  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:09:32pm

Zombie,
I used "Snapz Pro X" to record the video you asked for. Its 200+ MB now. I can make it smaller & probably email it if you want. Let me know.

Harris

558 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:09:40pm

re: #539 Killgore Trout

Aljazeera reporting that the Israelis just blew up an orphanage.

Was it the orphanage that housed all the children of the adult Palestinian self-detonators?

559 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:09:52pm

re: #546 jamgarr

The Aljazeera coverage is better than CNN.

560 Opinionated  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:10:16pm

re: #531 opnion

Must have been CNN. I commented on her yesterday. An example of NY Times objectivity.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

561 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:10:23pm

re: #556 Occasional Reader

Oh, fuck you sideways, Amanpour.

With a rake.

562 Sharmuta  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:10:28pm

re: #552 Charles

Fox News coverage is horrible. It's been a constant parade of Palestinian shills all morning.

Maybe they're saving pat buchanan for prime time.

563 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:10:29pm

Any possibility of Hezbollah opening a second front in the north?

564 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:10:45pm

By the way, the goblins were "protesting" near the Israeli embassy here in DC yesterday, I'd say about 100-150. Today I passed two lone, brave people out there waving Israeli flags. Gave 'em a honk and a wave.

565 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:10:59pm

re: #532 Nevergiveup

And there is some paper or person or station you always agree with? I have learned things from watching FOX. Fox change the whole face to TV news. Give it some credit.

I always agree with our local paper (Louisville Times -- Louisville, Colorado). Once-a-week, local news only.

Please don't misread me -- I think Fox is far and away the best and most truthful network.
I just get dismayed when they obviously bend to 'greater public opinion'. I've seen them do that not by lying, but by committing the "sin" of news omission.

566 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:11:01pm

re: #563 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Any possibility of Hezbollah opening a second front in the north?

I would if i was them

567 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:11:06pm

re: #539 Killgore Trout

Aljazeera reporting that the Israelis just blew up an orphanage.

Really?

568 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:11:13pm

re: #563 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Any possibility of Hezbollah opening a second front in the north?

We can only hope. I'll bet the IDF is ready and can't wait to unleash hell on those bastards next.

569 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:11:13pm

Pizza, anyone?

Some of my favorite toppings aren't exctly Kosher, but go IDF!

570 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:11:16pm

re: #547 Fluffster

Or Red on Red, perhaps :)

Oh, you'll get the whole mess... but unscrewing it will take way too much time and cost way too many lives needlessly. Not something "not quite ready for prime time" armies should ever attempt.

You've never been in a real CF until you've been in a 10,000 man gaggle-f*ck at night.

571 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:11:19pm

re: #542 Jetpilot1101

I love the name of the operation "Cast Lead". Hail of bullets would have been better but I'll take what I can get.

that's Ehud Barak turning on his military brain , and turning the dial to "dont f**k with me Hamas scum" mode.

/ read his military service bio...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]


sky news have confirmed that its a three pronged attack. north , south and central. with naval attacks mentioned above, that sure doesnt sound like a mere "incursion" to me... this is all out invasion.

572 psyop  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:11:24pm

re: #533 buzzdroid

sidenote: hello "protestors" - fat lot of f**king good your Hamas loving "protest" did today, eh?

GO IDF!

HOLY CRAP! You made me spit out my coffee on my wife's new keyboard!

Felt good to laugh, though.

573 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:11:30pm

re: #534 goddessoftheclassroom

May St. Michael and all his angels fight with Israel

On a lighter note:

MWAH!

MWAH!

574 opnion  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:11:31pm

re: #532 Nevergiveup

And there is some paper or person or station you always agree with? I have learned things from watching FOX. Fox change the whole face to TV news. Give it some credit.


FNC does beat anything else out there.

575 Joo-LiZ  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:11:35pm

re: #552 Charles

Fox News coverage is horrible. It's been a constant parade of Palestinian shills all morning.

I don't get Fox News up here in the great white north.

CNN, CBC are the only two 24 hour networks... while both occasionally switch it up with BBC International

It's not the greatest selection

576 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:11:35pm
577 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:11:39pm

re: #539 Killgore Trout

Aljazeera reporting that the Israelis just blew up an orphanage.

Those scum would say something like that. I think our response to stuff like that should be very simple: Lizard Army to Arab Media: FOAD.

578 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:11:39pm

re: #555 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I am NOT going to touch that one!

That's what she said.

579 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:12:00pm

The only thing Amanpour cares about is "letting the foreign press in"... to a war zone. Fucking idiot. Narcissistic idiot, no less.... yeah, it's all about you, Christiane.

580 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:12:02pm

re: #559 Killgore Trout

The Aljazeera coverage is better than CNN.

Are you damning with faint praise?

581 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:12:04pm

re: #563 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Any possibility of Hezbollah opening a second front in the north?

If they do, I'd expect them to try it later, after the IDF had swept things up in Gaza but before they were ready to move on elsewhere.

There are one or two other events scheduled for later this month that may make a Hizb attack seem like a good idea to the Iranian regime.

582 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:12:12pm

re: #552 Charles

Fox News coverage is horrible. It's been a constant parade of Palestinian shills all morning.

Totally lame..CNN in many respects has had pretty good coverage..you know..for CNN.

583 alegrias  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:12:14pm

re: #436 Walter L. Newton

Ah, do you actually read it. The only area that is conservative is certain columns on it's editorial pages. Please don't point out something if you know nothing about it.

* * *
F.U., been reading the WSJ on and off since 1982.

584 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:12:17pm

re: #548 Dustyvet

Hey LT, did you know that Robert Stroud "The Bird Man of Alcatraz" is buried in Metropolis, Illinois? Wonder if he's a registered voter?

I didn't know that. Huh... learn sump'in new every day.

Metropolis isn't in Cook County, so it's only 50-50 he's a voter.

585 Blazer in RIC  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:12:21pm

re: #543 Nevergiveup

No. Future homicide bomber factory.

586 notutopia  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:13:01pm

re: #559 Killgore Trout

The Aljazeera coverage is better than CNN.

Turds and The cesspool...they're all smelly and the same.

587 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:13:06pm

re: #552 Charles

Fox News coverage is horrible. It's been a constant parade of Palestinian shills all morning.

cant help wondering if that Arab prince who is an investor in News Corp has been on the phone to Murdoch today...

if so, its damaging Fox News.

588 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:13:08pm

re: #565 jwb7605

I always agree with our local paper (Louisville Times -- Louisville, Colorado). Once-a-week, local news only.

Please don't misread me -- I think Fox is far and away the best and most truthful network.
I just get dismayed when they obviously bend to 'greater public opinion'. I've seen them do that not by lying, but by committing the "sin" of news omission.

Ok I'll go along with there. I am kinda worked up by this and hope all my friends and family over there are ok, so I tend to jump at things. And i wish FOX was even more to the right, but I'll take what I can get for the time being.

589 Opinionated  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:13:16pm

re: #552 Charles

Fox News coverage is horrible. It's been a constant parade of Palestinian shills all morning.

The anchor they are using is their former correspondent in Israel. She always had an anti Israel bias in her reports.

590 Vik  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:13:18pm

Israel better not call it a draw and leave again like they did in Lebanon. That would be considered a huge victory for Hamas. The only way for Israel to succeed is to destroy Hamas - which it is in its power to do. Just win, baby!

591 opnion  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:13:19pm

re: #560 Opinionated

Must have been CNN. I commented on her yesterday. An example of NY Times objectivity.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

That's her. She is an all out propogandist for Hamas.

592 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:13:35pm
593 transient  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:13:36pm

re: #546 jamgarr

Amanpour giving Israel hell on Cnn!

/Spit!

Amanpour is quoting all the Palestinian talking points.
Regev giving Amanpour hell. He is so articulate. He is countering all the common BS she spouts.
Amanpour keeps bringing up Lebanon like it was Vietnam, like the Gaza op is the same and will end the same.

Now she's whining that Israel won't allow the press into an active war zone. Boo hoo.
I'd support sending CNN and BBC journalists, but I know dead journalists would give them more fodder for their anti-Israel journalism.

594 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:13:54pm

re: #572 psyop

HOLY CRAP! You made me spit out my coffee on my wife's new keyboard!

Felt good to laugh, though.

oops .. sorry bout that!

595 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:14:00pm

re: #567 MandyManners

Yup, that's what they said.

596 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:14:07pm

re: #552 Charles

Fox News coverage is horrible. It's been a constant parade of Palestinian shills all morning.

Feel free to jump in with me and nevergiveup.
I'd be interested in your take.
I would point out that on areas where we might disagree, you are consistent and your points are valid.

My take on Fox news is that they are not consistent, and some points are also not valid.

597 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:14:16pm

re: #592 Iron Fist

I prefer a chainsaw. It's more, um, visual. Or visceral. Or something like that...

:-)

"Gently with a chainsaw," to quote a much-underrated 80's flick

598 Miss Molly  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:14:35pm

I have been truely suprised at the backlash against the press and media in general for their bias and propaganda agenda for the left. Many of the newspapers are in deep financial trouble (New York Times and LA Times) as who believes what they print anymore.TV news is a joke. I have no doubt these institutions are running scared because we "dummies" out here have figured out we don't need them at all.

599 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:15:32pm

re: #595 Killgore Trout

Yup, that's what they said.

How soon before the MFM repeat it?

600 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:15:33pm

Another massive explosion in gaza.

601 harrisam  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:15:34pm

I recorded it with Snapz Pro X. Let me know where to send it.

Harris
re: #254 zombie

Anybody good at extracting/downloading video embedded at Web pages?

Normally, I'm good at it, but I'm having real trouble with this one. It's related to this thread - -Gaza protests in SF.

If you know how to extract the video (i.e. download to hard drive) from this page, either tell me how to do it, or do it yourself and send it to me!

602 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:15:41pm

Thanks to all you Lizards out there who are watching CNN and keeping us updated. I can stand Amanpour for exactly 3 milliseconds before I projectile vomit so I appreciate you letting me know what is going on at the Clueless News Network.

603 Promethea  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:15:55pm

re: #155 SemperHunden

I tried watching CNN and FOX, but I couldn't stick around more than a couple minutes because I was getting too angry. I don't want to hear what some Palestinian propagandist has to say, or hear a CNN anchoress say that the ground invasion is what Palestinians want so Israel can get bogged down, or hear anchors in general talk like they have the slightest idea about anything regarding military operations. I'll just stick to the internet for my news.

I gave up watching TV news a long time ago. I know so much more now by following various internet sites, including LGF, Israellycool, Augean Stables, etc.

604 Wilderstad  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:16:08pm

May Israel and the IDF spank Hamas and all terrorist supporters hard enough, so they never have to do it again.

605 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:16:15pm

re: #600 Killgore Trout

Another massive explosion in gaza.

Thing is, that would be a valid report any day for the pat 10 years or so.

606 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:16:19pm

re: #598 Miss Molly

I have been truely suprised at the backlash against the press and media in general for their bias and propaganda agenda for the left. Many of the newspapers are in deep financial trouble (New York Times and LA Times) as who believes what they print anymore.TV news is a joke. I have no doubt these institutions are running scared because we "dummies" out here have figured out we don't need them at all.

indeed.. when you have Israeli bloggers giving us the news from the ground, plus the IDF giving us videos on YouTube - why do we need the MSM?

sky news: another arab apologist on ... jesus h christ - CAN ONE SKY NEWS DUMBASS JUST SHUT THESE WANKERS UP - lie after lie after LIE....

607 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:16:41pm

re: #578 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

That's what she said.

Noooooo, I don't think we wanna take off on that kind of thread while the IDF is doing WhompAss on Hamas.

/rats!

608 hazzyday  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:16:45pm

re: #529 Joo-LiZ

Yes, American centric is a good view of it. But still given the nature of the parties fighting I think some media bias.

Also, Doesn't Rupert Murdoch of Fox News water down his fair and balanced coverage based on input from his Saudi Investors?

609 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:16:48pm

While Hams Radio is talking about how they will kill all israelis, the Beeb reporter in gaza says that there are no reporters at all in the North of Gaza.
So - Hamas lies and propaganda.

Here's something from The Muqata:
'10:01 PM Reports of dozens of Hamas terrorists already killed in first contact gunbattles with IDF ground forces. (Israel Channel 2 TV)'

610 Lynn B.  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:16:57pm

Possible airborne porker...

The EU presidency expressed support for the IDF ground operation in Gaza and said that the EU views the incursion as "defensive, not offensive". (Reuters)

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

611 albusteve  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:16:59pm

re: #596 jwb7605

Feel free to jump in with me and nevergiveup.
I'd be interested in your take.
I would point out that on areas where we might disagree, you are consistent and your points are valid.

My take on Fox news is that they are not consistent, and some points are also not valid.

I like the colors and the reflections...way better than CNN

612 Blazer in RIC  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:17:01pm

re: #600 Killgore Trout

"Another massive explosion in gaza."

That must have been the old folks home, right next to the orphange.

613 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:17:06pm

re: #598 Miss Molly

I have been truely suprised at the backlash against the press and media in general for their bias and propaganda agenda for the left. Many of the newspapers are in deep financial trouble (New York Times and LA Times) as who believes what they print anymore.TV news is a joke. I have no doubt these institutions are running scared because we "dummies" out here have figured out we don't need them at all.

Watch the media giants fall in the next few years. NYT won't be around much longer and when they declare Chapter 11 or better yet, Chapter 7, I'm throwing a huge bash!

614 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:17:26pm

re: #588 Nevergiveup

Ok I'll go along with there. I am kinda worked up by this and hope all my friends and family over there are ok, so I tend to jump at things. And i wish FOX was even more to the right, but I'll take what I can get for the time being.

I don't want Fox to be "even more to the right". I want a news channel that reports accurately and consistently and completely.

615 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:17:30pm

Gen Bob Scales is a pretty sharp guy

616 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:17:40pm

re: #596 jwb7605

Feel free to jump in with me and nevergiveup.
I'd be interested in your take.
I would point out that on areas where we might disagree, you are consistent and your points are valid.

My take on Fox news is that they are not consistent, and some points are also not valid.

What they broadcast on a daily basis such as interviews will 1) vary 2) and is NOT their editorial position 3) and many of their anchors such as Griffin here are not the greatest. With breaking news especially over the holidays they can't always get who they want to interview. And I think some of their interviews today have sucked but I do NOT agree with Charles that they have all been a parade of shills.

617 jamgarr  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:17:42pm

CNN breakroom during a commercial:
"Sure, we hate those Israeli bastards, but MAN it's hard to put them on the spot when they just keep repeating that 'No rockets -No war' stuff!"

618 Dave the.....  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:17:50pm

NY Nana. Great video.

It makes a point I always say.....if it was really about so called "Palestine", why not call for Jordan to give up it's land? Jordan occupies 80% of the area called Palestine.

619 opnion  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:17:50pm

re: #589 Opinionated

The anchor they are using is their former correspondent in Israel. She always had an anti Israel bias in her reports.

I always thought that she was kind of an Arabist when she was a correspondent. Her point of view always baffled me.She's on now, jennifer something.
Earlier Jamie Colby slapped down a Hamas supporter.

620 solomonpanting  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:17:53pm

Idiot reporter asking what were the other options at Israel's disposal besides a military attack.

621 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:18:07pm

re: #606 buzzdroid

indeed.. when you have Israeli bloggers giving us the news from the ground, plus the IDF giving us videos on YouTube - why do we need the MSM?

sky news: another arab apologist on ... jesus h christ - CAN ONE SKY NEWS DUMBASS JUST SHUT THESE WANKERS UP - lie after lie after LIE....

See, talking is what the shill does - it's his job, he's paid by the hour (or word, depending on the contract) to do it, and so he does it.

Arab spokesmouths are all the same "blah, blah, blah, innocent children, women and old people.... blah, blah, blah, massacre.... blah. blah, blah resistance."

622 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:18:10pm
623 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:18:15pm

re: #612 Blazer in RIC

Heh.

624 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:18:41pm

re: #614 jwb7605

I don't want Fox to be "even more to the right". I want a news channel that reports accurately and consistently and completely.

And what have they misreported today?

625 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:18:43pm

re: #614 jwb7605

I don't want Fox to be "even more to the right". I want a news channel that reports accurately and consistently and completely.

Damn... that would be the mother of all flying pigs.

/I'm out... later Lizards! Go IDF!

626 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:18:52pm

re: #612 Blazer in RIC

"Another massive explosion in gaza."

That must have been the old folks home, right next to the orphange.

Or the petting zoo!

627 quickjustice  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:18:53pm

re: #536 desdichado

I was in Paris back in March. I saw many Arab "youths", both male and female, turnstile-jumping in the Paris Metro. The Metro attendants did nothing. The "youths" were completely western in their dress and style, however. Short hair, clean cut, indistinguishable in appearance from non-Arab "youths", except dark-complected.

My impression, shallow as it was, was that these "youths" aren't Muslim extremists, but disaffected and unemployed children of Arab immigrants. They're juvenile delinquents for sure, but seemed to be assimilated in dress, general appearance, and language. If they could find jobs in the face of oppressive French labor policies, much of the problem would dissipate.

Britain's problem seems much worse. You have unassimilated groups of radical Muslims overtly defying British society, which is unwilling to defend itself.

628 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:18:55pm

re: #593 transient

Amanpour SHOULD be sent into the active war zone.

/oh yes ... OH YES!

629 Maximu§  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:19:02pm

re: #620 solomonpanting

Idiot reporter asking what were the other options at Israel's disposal besides a military attack.

That reporters face is begging for a slap.

630 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:19:21pm

re: #625 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Damn... that would be the mother of all flying pigs.

/I'm out... later Lizards! Go IDF!

Later LT, take care.

631 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:19:34pm

re: #626 Occasional Reader

Or the petting zoo!

A Pali petting zoo would be a pick-up joint for trans-species types, right?

632 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:19:41pm

Time to reload the page, everyone.

633 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:19:41pm

re: #620 solomonpanting

Idiot reporter asking what were the other options at Israel's disposal besides a military attack.

Direct talks with Iran.
/sheesh, softball question!

634 transient  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:19:47pm

Now we get to hear Christiane play analyst. Let's listen...
Christiane of course reporting mosque strikes "which Israel says were used to store weapons" but we know we can't trust the Jews.

She keeps reinforcing the idea that this is Lebanon '06 all over again.
It better not be...if Jews really deserve our reputation for brains, the brightest military minds in Israel have better learned something. I believe they have. Barak and Chief of Staff Ashkenazi are two good men in a fight.

635 greenmiler  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:20:00pm

May the IDF turn Hamas into a pink DNA mist

636 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:20:19pm

re: #571 buzzdroid

Not often you have distinguished military commanders with a known history of cross-dressing.

637 alegrias  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:20:21pm

re: #516 Dianna

Well, as the Male just pointed out, baby milk powder, in the presence of an oxydizer, will go "boom" quite satisfactorily!

* * * *
Isn't breast feeding allowed in Islam? Why aren't there normal dairies in Gaza?

638 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:20:24pm

re: #631 Guanxi88

A Pali petting zoo would be a pick-up joint for trans-species types, right?

Or some twit in a Bee suit...

639 solomonpanting  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:20:38pm

re: #629 Maximu§

That reporters face is begging for a slap.

That's a much easier task than a brain slap.

640 Picayune  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:20:48pm

re: #552 Charles

Yea, they bummed me out w/ their dour tone - until I got into a little Motown's own, Marvin Gaye's "LET'S GET IT ON", and now I feel so much better. Happy hunting, IDF, and God Speed!

641 debutaunt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:20:55pm

re: #519 Dianna

The Male needs to work on my system.

Wish us luck!

We can see through your code words.

642 UberInfidel67  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:20:56pm

re: #610 Lynn B. No. He means it.

643 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:20:57pm

Dear Palis in the Gaza strip..
When the rockets stop..we will stop..
Is it really that hard to understand?

644 NY Nana  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:21:10pm

re: #425 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Re Foxnews? sodding Saudi billionaire Bin Talal owns a 5% interest

645 quickjustice  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:21:10pm

re: #550 yma o hyd

The Czechs experienced communism within living memory, and they're not disposed to roll over for tyranny and nonsense. They're very tough, sensible people, as are the other peoples of Eastern Europe.

646 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:21:30pm

re: #643 HoosierHoops

Dear Palis in the Gaza strip..
When the rockets stop..we will stop..
Is it really that hard to understand?

Indeed: no incoming from you, no incoming from us.

647 Blazer in RIC  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:21:39pm

re: #628 pre-Boomer Marine brat

"Amanpour SHOULD be sent into the active war zone."

.......and she should drag Cynthia Mckinney with her as a shield.

648 Opinionated  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:21:46pm

CNN live Interview minutes ago.

Israeli - In the North we are building hotels for peace and tourism while Hezbollah is rebuilding again with bunkers and arms under every home.

CNN anchor- So how will it end if it's again a cycle with each side shooting when they don't like what the other side is doing.

For CNN, building hotels equals preparing for war. It's a cycle.

649 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:21:49pm
650 jcm  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:22:23pm

re: #592 Iron Fist

I prefer a chainsaw. It's more, um, visual. Or visceral. Or something like that...

:-)

Just for you.......

651 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:22:27pm

Ha, on this unfreshed page the old messages have the old icons and the new messages have the new icons. Buh-bye, old icons!

652 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:22:29pm

re: #647 Blazer in RIC

"Amanpour SHOULD be sent into the active war zone."

.......and she should drag Cynthia Mckinney with her as a shield.

With Amy Goodman providing real-time reporting. I hate that bitter, angry cat-lady so effin' much I just can't stand it.

653 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:22:39pm

arab apologist on sky news - "U.S. gave green light to israel to invade Gaza"

no shit sherlock!

too right they did!

654 psyop  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:23:17pm

re: #594 buzzdroid

S'okay. I just shook it out over the sink. It still works. Maybe she won't notice.....

655 quickjustice  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:23:24pm

re: #552 Charles

Murdoch is a bit of an opportunist. He supported Hillary Clinton in the last election cycle, for example. No doubt he's bending over for his Arab investors.

656 itellu3times  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:23:27pm

#589 was the first newbie!

657 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:23:28pm

re: #626 Occasional Reader

Or the petting zoo!

Don't forget the baby milk factory!

658 transient  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:23:31pm

Amanpour keeps reporting the civilian casualty figures (which Regev questioned as unreliable, since they came from not entirely disinterested Hamas sources) as reported by UN sources.

But what the media doesn't tell you is that the overwhelming majority of UN personnel in the Palestinian Territories are Palestinian. UNRWA is about 99% Palestinian.

659 alegrias  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:23:32pm

re: #520 NY Nana

I got this video* from an Israeli who I have known since he was 3...he is almost 50 now....he was the one who was pro-Obama, and we used to fight about it. Now? He is sorry he voted for him, and scared for Israel.

On the radio: 4 IDF killed....may the enemy lose 1 million for every murdered Jew.

*The video is in English...you will see Hebrew before it starts.


* * * *

Dear NY Nana--got a "Holiday" newsletter from a friend who bragged last year she moderated a website called "Jews4Obama" and bragged she was one of the "first 100,000" contributors to Obama. I sensed disillusionment already, before Obama's even sworn the oath of office...bwahaha.

Bless the IDF.

660 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:23:46pm

israellycool also writes:
'10:08PM: Israel television is reporting that dozens of Hamasholes have already been killed.'

661 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:23:51pm

arab apologist on sky news is now threatening terrorism against Europe because of Gaza...

STFU wanker...

when we bombed the Nazis and wiped them OUT , there were no more Nazis.

IDF is gonna do the same to Hamas... kill them all. No Hamas left.
its simple. its WAR.

662 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:23:52pm

re: #655 quickjustice

Murdoch is a bit of an opportunist. He supported Hillary Clinton in the last election cycle, for example. No doubt he's bending over for his Arab investors.

He endorsed McCain

663 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:24:29pm

re: #653 buzzdroid

arab apologist on sky news - "U.S. gave green light to israel to invade Gaza"

no shit sherlock!

too right they did!

"Propaganda is a soft weapon; hold it in your hands too long, and it will move about like a snake, and strike the other way."
—Jean Anouilh, L'Alouette, 1952

664 swamprat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:24:44pm

re: #597 Guanxi88

would you believe
eviscerate
evisceral?

665 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:25:02pm

re: #652 Guanxi88

With Amy Goodman providing real-time reporting. I hate that bitter, angry cat-lady so effin' much I just can't stand it.

Don't insult Crazy Cat Lady by comparing her to Amy Goodman!

666 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:25:08pm

re: #626 Occasional Reader

Or the petting zoo!

"O-R" -

More probably the FUEL DEPOT. Hard to run "Ambulance Weapons Carriers" with NO GAS.

-S-

667 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:25:11pm

re: #658 transient

Amanpour keeps reporting the civilian casualty figures (which Regev questioned as unreliable, since they came from not entirely disinterested Hamas sources) as reported by UN sources.

But what the media doesn't tell you is that the overwhelming majority of UN personnel in the Palestinian Territories are Palestinian. UNRWA is about 99% Palestinian.

In fact, I sort of always thought that the whole UNRWA (or am I thinking UNHCR?) was set up just for these displaced Egyptian and Jordanian subjects.

668 Miss Molly  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:25:14pm

Jetpilot 1101 -- the New York Times might go this year with all their financial problems and now a big law suit against them for many millions. It couldn't happen to a nicer newspaper unless you want to include the LA Times.

I wish the IDF would let Amanpour into the combat zone and see how fast she disappears. She is such an idiot and proves that everythime she starts talking. I know she loves Hamas but she loves the camera a lot more.

669 jcbunga  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:25:24pm

God protect them. They fight our enemy and the enemy of civilization. But for geography, it would be our troops going in. God protect them.

670 transient  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:25:38pm

re: #648 Opinionated

CNN live Interview minutes ago.

Israeli - In the North we are building hotels for peace and tourism while Hezbollah is rebuilding again with bunkers and arms under every home.

CNN anchor- So how will it end if it's again a cycle with each side shooting when they don't like what the other side is doing.

For CNN, building hotels equals preparing for war. It's a cycle.

The existence of Israel is an act of aggression for the Palestinians and their apologists. Hotels are a sign that the Zionists intend to occupy the area for a long time. Ipso facto, hotels are sign of aggression.

671 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:25:53pm

re: #663 Dustyvet

"Propaganda is a soft weapon; hold it in your hands too long, and it will move about like a snake, and strike the other way."
—Jean Anouilh, L'Alouette, 1952

"A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
—Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back, 1976

672 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:26:10pm

re: #663 Dustyvet

"Propaganda is a soft weapon; hold it in your hands too long, and it will move about like a snake, and strike the other way."
—Jean Anouilh, L'Alouette, 1952

/salute

that sir, is one AWESOME quote.

thank you!

673 martinsmithy  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:26:11pm

Here in leftie capital Portland, the Oregonian printed a nauseating piece today by some British Hamas-lover named Richard Seale blaming the whole thing on Israel. This after earlier in the week printing the real truth from Charles Krauthammer.

Israel gave the Gazans more chances than they deserve. Time to clean up the mess, whatever it takes.

674 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:26:41pm

re: #672 buzzdroid

/salute

that sir, is one AWESOME quote.

thank you!

Welcome...:)

675 Outrider  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:26:42pm

re: #483 Opinionated

JPost: IDF destroys rocket launcher operating in refugee camp cemetery

Expect a condemnation of Israel killing innocent already dead civilians.

potential Democrat voters? ;-)>

676 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:26:46pm
677 Dirk Diggler  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:27:27pm

An unnecessary and disproportionate response.

If the ghouls from Gaza are going to indiscriminately target Israeli population centers with rockets, than Israel needs to respond by indiscriminately targeting Palestinian population centers with their rockets.

Like I've said before, give that strategy a week.

678 quickjustice  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:28:20pm

re: #162 MandyManners

Anchoress: A Catholic nun in a position of authority in a convent.

679 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:28:24pm

re: #652 Guanxi88

With Amy Goodman providing real-time reporting. I hate that bitter, angry cat-lady so effin' much I just can't stand it.

Seriously, I'll tune in to "Democracy Now" every now and then just to get a good hate-on and remember why I'm so mad.

680 mfarmer1  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:28:29pm

Can you imagine the Allies in WWII dropping food and medicine to the German troops while at the same time preparing to immediately engage them in ground warfare?

Israel has put its own troops in more danger by essentially supplying their enemy immediately prior to a ground invasion. It's insane.

The people of Gaza voted for their terrorist government, and well, they're responsible for Hamas being in power and should be forced to deal with the consequences.

I fear this action will end up like southern Lebanon and only empower Hamas.

681 transient  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:28:40pm

re: #667 Guanxi88

In fact, I sort of always thought that the whole UNRWA (or am I thinking UNHCR?) was set up just for these displaced Egyptian and Jordanian subjects.

You are correct. UNWRA deals ONLY with Palestinians. The UNHCR deals with ALL OTHER refugees. But the point is, the policy of the UNHCR is that the locals do not take care of their own. It is run as a professional, disinterested agency. With UNWRA, the inmates are running the asylum.

682 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:28:57pm

********************************************************
CALLING ALL LIZARDS IN ISRAEL

somebody needs to get onto the Israeli government and get SOMEONE ONTO SKY NEWS NOW!

the amount of Hamas shilling is NON STOP...

i'll do my bit and get in touch with some israeli bloggers.

YOU ARE LOSING THE WAR ON SKY NEWS... STOP IT NOW!
**************************************************************

683 psyop  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:29:08pm

re: #663 Dustyvet

"Propaganda is a soft weapon; hold it in your hands too long, and it will move about like a snake, and strike the other way."
—Jean Anouilh, L'Alouette, 1952

PSYOP is a tricky business.

Used properly, it can lead to great success. Used poorly, it can set things back years and cost lives.

684 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:29:10pm

re: #648 Opinionated

For CNN, building hotels equals preparing for war. It's a cycle.

Israel has recently gone from building 3 star hotels to 4 stars. This is a dangerously provocative escalation.
/

685 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:29:15pm

The Muqata has something to say which all the talking heads on all our TV stations should really take to heart:
'The Muqata refuses to publish any messages from the Gaza and Hamas websites, which are designed purely for psychological warfare (and are highly unreliable). We stand by our reports and accuracy.'

686 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:29:32pm

re: #641 debutaunt

We can see through your code words.

Webcam, anyone?

/no, I don't think so

687 Grogtank  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:29:45pm

re: #263 alegrias

Speaking of President Reagan, I wish he had him here today.

688 Blazer in RIC  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:29:53pm

I'll bet some Fatah guy's are phonin' some rich targeting shit in to The IDF. Sux 2 B a Ham-ass-hole right now.

689 transient  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:30:12pm

re: #643 HoosierHoops

Dear Palis in the Gaza strip..
When the rockets stop..we will stop..
Is it really that hard to understand?

Apparently so. The media doesn't understand it either, and most of them have college degrees.

690 coldpizza  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:30:38pm

The CNN news coverage is disgusting the reporter who interviewed the Israeli consulate ambassador is a complete twit.. CNN SUCKS!

691 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:30:40pm

re: #688 Blazer in RIC

I'll bet some Fatah guy's are phonin' some rich targeting shit in to The IDF. Sux 2 B a Ham-ass-hole right now.

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised at all, assuming, of course, that any Fatah were still left in Gaza.

692 Cygnus  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:30:48pm

re: #515 jwb7605

Which is exactly why I asked about the Amphibious Assault Vehicles.

GO IDF! You ROCK!
(OOH RAH!)

How do you say OOH RAH! in Hebrew? !HAR HOO
(smile)

Go IDF!

693 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:30:49pm

Going biking. Later.

694 swamprat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:31:21pm

re: #657 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Don't forget the baby milk factory!

I love those!
boob thread?

695 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:31:24pm

re: #693 Occasional Reader

Going biking. Later.

Oh no you don't! this is too good to "go biking"! Get back in here and watch the war, buddy!

696 coldpizza  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:32:09pm

re: #680 mfarmer1

Can you imagine the Allies in WWII dropping food and medicine to the German troops while at the same time preparing to immediately engage them in ground warfare?

Israel has put its own troops in more danger by essentially supplying their enemy immediately prior to a ground invasion. It's insane.

The people of Gaza voted for their terrorist government, and well, they're responsible for Hamas being in power and should be forced to deal with the consequences.

I fear this action will end up like southern Lebanon and only empower Hamas.

Not a chance the IDF has learned many lessons. Hamas will be crushed. And fuck the World opinion bigots. God Bless the IDF.

697 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:32:10pm

re: #689 transient

Apparently so. The media doesn't understand it either, and most of them have college degrees.

We will know this operation is a success when we hear about it from the MSM as much as we hear about Iraq presently.
I wonder what Harry Reid's take is?

698 alegrias  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:32:22pm

re: #644 NY Nana

Re Foxnews? sodding Saudi billionaire Bin Talal owns a 5% interest

* * * *
Well, dear Nana, who do you think is going to bail out our US Treasury? People with cash, that's who! People we sent our cash to, oil ticks that is.

Which is just another reason Sarah Palin's "Drill Baby, Drill" was music to my ears.

699 jamgarr  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:32:25pm

If you sow the wind - you reap the whirlwind!

700 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:32:25pm

re: #694 swamprat

I love those!
boob thread?

Smack!

701 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:32:36pm
702 2senseplain  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:32:50pm

re: #612 Blazer in RIC

Main fuel depot, actually.

703 Blazer in RIC  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:33:06pm

re: #692 Cygnus

That would be, Hoo-ck, Rah-ck !

704 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:33:37pm

re: #701 ploome hineni

Amanpour whining that Israel will not allow journalists into GAza

that bitch hasn' t yet figured out she could enter Gaza through Egypt?

Those tunnels work for goats - which she resembles - and weapons - which she is - why not for her?

705 mattm  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:33:39pm

good lick IDF, stay safe.


Obama, welcome to the real world.

706 transient  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:34:19pm

re: #673 martinsmithy

Here in leftie capital Portland, the Oregonian printed a nauseating piece today by some British Hamas-lover named Richard Seale blaming the whole thing on Israel. This after earlier in the week printing the real truth from Charles Krauthammer.

Israel gave the Gazans more chances than they deserve. Time to clean up the mess, whatever it takes.

Patrick Seale is a well known, long time extreme left Arab apologist. This is a guy who lived in Syria (willingly) and supported the Baathist regime. I have a book of his (before I knew who he was) that essentially claimed the Abu Nidal terror organization was set up and supported by Israel.

Does that clarify things for ya?!

707 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:34:32pm

re: #705 mattm

good lick IDF, stay safe.

Obama, welcome to the real world.

Was this what Biden was talking about? Or did he even know what he was saying when he said it?

708 jcbunga  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:35:03pm

re: #687 Grogtank

Simply awesome. Thank you for that.

709 solomonpanting  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:35:06pm

re: #701 ploome hineni

Amanpour whining that Israel will not allow journalists into GAza

that bitch hasn' t yet figured out she could enter Gaza through Egypt?

Also, she says Israel's end game is not known. Imagine that.

710 alegrias  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:35:09pm

re: #655 quickjustice

Murdoch is a bit of an opportunist. He supported Hillary Clinton in the last election cycle, for example. No doubt he's bending over for his Arab investors.

* * *
Better than getting screwed by Madoff!

Sorry not going to demonize Murdoch for taking cash from people willing to invest with him.

711 Cygnus  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:35:13pm

re: #638 Dustyvet

Or some twit in a Bee suit...

Or some (deleted) who abuses cats.

712 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:36:24pm

re: #711 Cygnus

Or some (deleted) who abuses cats.

Think I missed that one...:(

713 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:36:38pm

BIG bomb just went off near some Hamas shill on the phone to Sky
( an "aid worker" in Gaza... yeah suuuurrrreee.... )

714 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:36:38pm
715 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:37:30pm

Lots more interesting information from Carl in Jerusalem

Good stuff - go and read it!

716 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:37:32pm

Isaac Herzog, Israeli Minister, is on the phone to Sky now...

either their PR team must have noticed the sky team - or someone tipped them off.

GOOD JOB..

717 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:37:37pm

re: #707 Guanxi88

Was this what Biden was talking about? Or did he even know what he was saying when he said it?

I doubt that this was what Biden was alluding to.
I doubt it VERY much.
I think he and 0 had been briefed on something far heavier.

718 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:37:58pm

errgh typo - "sky news" , rather than "sky team"...

719 Blazer in RIC  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:38:10pm

re: #713 buzzdroid

"BIG bomb just went off near some Hamas shill on the phone to Sky"

That no doubt was inside of a playground next to a school.

-sarc

720 Opinionated  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:38:42pm

Every word out of Amanpour and Widerman is an attempt to demoralize Israel.

Hey Hamas:

Did you know that Amanpour sleeps with a Jew?

Just saying.

721 solomonpanting  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:38:45pm

Imapoho is interviewing a guy who says one cannot separate Hamas from Pali infrastructure. How sad for Pali infrastrucutre.

722 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:38:48pm

re: #702 2senseplain

Main fuel depot, actually.

Good targeting decision. Hamas wants a medieval state in Gaza, Israel is giving them their wish.

Like the song says, "Be careful what you wish for"...

723 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:39:11pm

re: #715 yma o hyd

Lots more interesting information from Carl in Jerusalem

Good stuff - go and read it!

he also says:

UPDATE 9:15 PM

Charles Johnson gets it right.

724 Elcid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:39:41pm

Probably stated...but...Best to you honorable and brave.

I'm sure the IDF is aware that these "genius" insects, of their brand new toys, like IED's, brave men dressed in burka's with bomb belts, women coerced into wearing bomb vests, children trained to wear explosives.

You should have learned from our mistakes in Iraq, Israel. We thought these people, turned insects of Islam had hearts, minds and souls. They have none of those.

Of course you already knew that, but you ain't seen nothing yet. Wait until your Leftists take their side, as your young and brave die or are wounded. The only thing I don't believe you DO have, is a nut church headed by anyone named Phelps.

725 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:40:19pm

re: #723 jwb7605

:-)))

Yep - seeing that made me grin!

726 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:40:49pm

re: #714 ploome hineni

the attitude of the CNN reporters while talking to Israelis and about Israel is disgusting

Well, who's surprised, really? The deck is stacked from the word "go" against Israel. You've got latent Western antisemitism (a very minor force, until about the last decade or so) feeding into anti-imperialist posturing by academics, supported by a pop-culture that idolizes murderers, and fueled by Arab petro-dollars (although that's starting to change. Sorry, guys, but the oil-tick days are numbered, it seems.)

Par for the course, really. Israel is hated because: 1) They're Jewish, at least nominally; 2) They're Western; 3) They're successful' and 4) Unlike their neighbors, you can talk smack about them without getting your car blown up or your granny sent to you in little pieces.

They're a safe and comforting target.

727 traderjoe9  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:41:41pm

Sweet song.

728 zombie  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:42:09pm

re: #384 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I saw your comment, but I don't have RealPlayer - -and by the time I was getting around to answering you, Joo-Liz had already solved the problem!

729 jamgarr  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:42:11pm

War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen, and I say let us give them all they want.
William Tecumseh Sherman

730 jcm  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:43:19pm

re: #717 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I doubt that this was what Biden was alluding to.
I doubt it VERY much.
I think he and 0 had been briefed on something far heavier.

We're looking at Thugo in Venezuela going into a neighbor. Russian going into Ukraine. Or Iran uncorking a nuc.

731 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:43:21pm

re: #636 Fenway_Nation

Not often you have distinguished military commanders with a known history of cross-dressing.

ha... yeah - saw that in that film "Munich"...

wow - talk about a stealth attack... brave fuckers!

732 zombie  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:43:39pm

re: #557 harrisam

Zombie,
I used "Snapz Pro X" to record the video you asked for. Its 200+ MB now. I can make it smaller & probably email it if you want. Let me know.

Harris

Unfortunately, "Joo-Liz" already downloaded it and emailed it to me, by the time I saw your comment!

Sorry you went to the trouble and I ended up not using it! The help is much appreciated, nonetheless.

733 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:43:40pm

re: #715 yma o hyd

Lots more interesting information from Carl in Jerusalem

Good stuff - go and read it!

yma -

The THREE DIRECTIONS that I know of are - Southward, from a column north of the city, Northward, from a column south of the city and Eastward From The MED. If so, congratulations Min. of Def. Barak!

-S-

734 least  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:44:06pm

Today, we listened to a speaker who's lived in Israel for years.
Said that one of the tactics employed by Israeli-Arabs was to take over Christian homes, establish a sniper position and snipe at IDF troops.
The IDF would respond by blowing the crap out of the location where hostile fire was coming from.
Then the "militants" would point out to anyone who'd listen [ MSM ] how the eeeeeevil joooooooz were blowing up Christian homes.

Imagine the reporting that'll result from this.

735 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:44:10pm

re: #728 zombie

I saw your comment, but I don't have RealPlayer - -and by the time I was getting around to answering you, Joo-Liz had already solved the problem!

I kind of figured that.

736 alegrias  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:44:11pm

re: #687 Grogtank

Speaking of President Reagan, I wish he had him here today.




* * * * *
Wow, thanks for sharing Ronald Reagan's 1964 speech about Rendezvous with Destiny & PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH! THAT was a Man and a Mensch.

(I'm reading a Christmas present of Pres. Reagan's Diaries by Doug Brinkley).

737 zombie  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:44:44pm

re: #475 Militant-Infidel

Zombie:

Here is the actual URL for the video:

[Link: mfile.akamai.com...]

MI

How did you ascertain that? Good detective work!

738 Picayune  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:45:02pm

re: #714 ploome hineni

Yea, but what do you expect from these turds. Why not give then some instant feedback on their excuse for historical news coverage - email this little ditty to CNN's comment section - just to let them know how many of us feel on this wonderful, much awaited - happy day!

739 zombie  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:45:06pm

re: #735 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I kind of figured that.

Thanks for the offer of help in any case!

740 Joo-LiZ  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:46:05pm

Muqata reports over 50 terrorists killed.

Already? Damn, the IDF is good.

50 down, somewhere between 1450 and 14950 still to go.

(according to estimates that there are 1500 harcore-Hamasholes, and a total of 15000 Hamas "reserves" consisting of 15-16 year old boys)

741 RedDish  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:47:12pm

Charles, may I take this opportunity to again thank you for your work on this blog! The improvements you've made over the time I've been registered have made LGF the place to go for quick, accurate information.

And may I also say that a 'new comments' button should, by law, be a requirement on every single right-thinking blog.

Thank you.

742 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:47:20pm

re: #733 Dr. Shalit

The spokesperson of the IDF made the very strong point that they have trained for urban warfare, and are much better prepared than for the Lebanon war.

I think there are far too many talking heads, besides the usual moonbats, who have swallowed the hamasthugs propaganda hook, line and sinker - and do not hear what the IDF says, never mind actually opening their eyes and seeing waht the IDF and IAF have actually done in the last eight days.

743 debutaunt  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:47:36pm

re: #695 Guanxi88

Oh no you don't! this is too good to "go biking"! Get back in here and watch the war, buddy!

During WWII, people didn't just leave and go bike riding. It was different then.

744 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:47:38pm

re: #736 alegrias

* * * * *
Wow, thanks for sharing Ronald Reagan's 1964 speech about Rendezvous with Destiny & PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH! THAT was a Man and a Mensch.

(I'm reading a Christmas present of Pres. Reagan's Diaries by Doug Brinkley).

much as i also love Reagan, bear in mind that he ran away from Lebanon, rather than facing up to Hezbollah.

it was the FRENCH - yes the FRENCH - who carried out bombing raids on Hezbollah in the aftermath of the Beirut U.S. Marine bombings...

he got bad advise admittedly though.

imagine how the world would look if Reagan ignored the advice and had a "war on islamic terror" as well as a "war on communism" back in 1982...

both were interlinked at the time - soviet arms going to syria, iran and the PLO and such like...

745 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:48:05pm

re: #742 yma o hyd

The spokesperson of the IDF made the very strong point that they have trained for urban warfare, and are much better prepared than for the Lebanon war.

I think there are far too many talking heads, besides the usual moonbats, who have swallowed the hamasthugs propaganda hook, line and sinker - and do not hear what the IDF says, never mind actually opening their eyes and seeing waht the IDF and IAF have actually done in the last eight days.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
- Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Propaganda Minister

746 Elcid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:48:42pm

re: #740 Joo-LiZ

Muqata reports over 50 terrorists killed.

Already? Damn, the IDF is good.

50 down, somewhere between 1450 and 14950 still to go.

(according to estimates that there are 1500 harcore-Hamasholes, and a total of 15000 Hamas "reserves" consisting of 15-16 year old boys)

Probably spot on...NOT counting Hezbollah and Quds sent gratis, Persia.

747 transient  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:48:44pm

Be back in a bit...talking with friend in Israel at the moment.

748 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:49:19pm

re: #740 Joo-LiZ

Muqata reports over 50 terrorists killed.

Already? Damn, the IDF is good.

50 down, somewhere between 1450 and 14950 still to go.

(according to estimates that there are 1500 harcore-Hamasholes, and a total of 15000 Hamas "reserves" consisting of 15-16 year old boys)

wow - thats fast. sound likes they know where the Hamassholes are.

that'll put the fear of God into the rest of the HamasoNazis... there's this lethal killing machine gradually inching its way towards you....

749 Mich-again  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:49:28pm

Wondering what the Iranians are plotting with Hexbollah right now.

As for their proxy army in Gaza, they are in deep shit.

750 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:49:36pm

re: #730 jcm

We're looking at Thugo in Venezuela going into a neighbor. Russian going into Ukraine. Or Iran uncorking a nuc.

I don't know - BHO's constituents seemed to like old Hugo, don't know where Russia or the Ukraine would be, and think that Iran with a nuke is no problem at all. Their first instinct in all cases (and I include Chavez, who's railed against zionist conspiracies against his revolution and his life; Putin et al, who back Iran for reasons having to do with "the great game", and Iran, whose leadership want Israel gone and Jews dead) will be to blame Israel.

"See," they're saying to themselves even now, "the Obamessiah's commander of the faithful was right. A manufactured crisis has been concocted to delay our immanentizing of the eschaton. Hope, Change, Peace - the Israelis just won'r get on board."

751 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:49:46pm

Ribbono shel Olam- so it begins- Had to come here when I heard the news- got a call that my Israeli friends have 3 sons fighting. . .Ribbono shel Olam!

My love, thoughts and prayers and strength to you IDF and ISRAEL!

752 SurferDoc  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:50:04pm

Go Israel! Get it done!

753 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:50:14pm

re: #745 Dustyvet

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
- Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Propaganda Minister

That was directed toward Hamas and it's MSM supporters.

754 Joo-LiZ  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:50:32pm

re: #750 Guanxi88

I don't know - BHO's constituents seemed to like old Hugo, don't know where Russia or the Ukraine would be, and think that Iran with a nuke is no problem at all. Their first instinct in all cases (and I include Chavez, who's railed against zionist conspiracies against his revolution and his life; Putin et al, who back Iran for reasons having to do with "the great game", and Iran, whose leadership want Israel gone and Jews dead) will be to blame Israel.

"See," they're saying to themselves even now, "the Obamessiah's commander of the faithful was right. A manufactured crisis has been concocted to delay our immanentizing of the eschaton. Hope, Change, Peace - the Israelis just won'r get on board."

It occurs to me that this operation certainly will bring change to the Middle East situation -- it just may not be the change the left was hoping for.

755 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:50:35pm

re: #652 Guanxi88

I have the deepest contempt for that vile Amy Goodman person.

Ooooh, Dante would have a place for her.

756 Cygnus  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:50:58pm

re: #712 Dustyvet

Think I missed that one...:(

here you go. That was Farfour the Bee showing the kiddies how to love cute little animals. ////

757 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:51:04pm

re: #739 zombie

Thanks for the offer of help in any case!

You are VERY welcome.
You are also VERY much appreciated!

758 Throbert McGee  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:51:34pm

Cue the endless variations of "Hopes for Peace Dashed as Israel Invades Gaza" from MSM headline writers...

759 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:51:40pm

re: #754 Joo-LiZ

It occurs to me that this operation certainly will bring change to the Middle East situation -- it just may not be the change the left was hoping for.

Roger that! Anything that involves a few fewer of them is a good thing all around, and to be encouraged. Go IDF!

760 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:51:45pm

re: #741 RedDish

Charles, may I take this opportunity to again thank you for your work on this blog! The improvements you've made over the time I've been registered have made LGF the place to go for quick, accurate information.

And may I also say that a 'new comments' button should, by law, be a requirement on every single right-thinking blog.

Thank you.

I will add that without this site, I would be a puddle of depressed Jew. . .thanks to you all who support my fellow Jews in Israel and everywhere. . .you can feel so alone if all watch or read is MSM. . .

761 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:52:00pm

re: #756 Cygnus

here you go. That was Farfour the Bee showing the kiddies how to love cute little animals. ////

Oh thanks, I had forgot that one.

762 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:52:05pm

sky news reporter : close combat going on now between Hamas and the IDF in the north of gaza.

sustained fighting going on now.

God bless the IDF - thoughts , prayers are with you...

763 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:52:17pm

Off to work. Back later.

764 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:53:12pm

re: #762 buzzdroid

sky news reporter : close combat going on now between Hamas and the IDF in the north of gaza.

sustained fighting going on now.

God bless the IDF - thoughts , prayers are with you...


Go GO GO! G-d Bless. . .

765 alegrias  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:53:35pm

re: #744 buzzdroid

much as i also love Reagan, bear in mind that he ran away from Lebanon, rather than facing up to Hezbollah.

it was the FRENCH - yes the FRENCH - who carried out bombing raids on Hezbollah in the aftermath of the Beirut U.S. Marine bombings...

he got bad advise admittedly though.

imagine how the world would look if Reagan ignored the advice and had a "war on islamic terror" as well as a "war on communism" back in 1982...

both were interlinked at the time - soviet arms going to syria, iran and the PLO and such like...

* * * * *
Yes, Reagan could have done better against islamofascists. You know he wanted to avenge the murders of our troops and the Achille Lauro victim Leon Klinghoffer and many others. Reagan's diaries are full of his anguish over these murders.

He had his hands full bringing down the Iron Curtain and reversing some of Jimmy Carter's and liberals damaging demoralizing attacks on America.

766 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:54:02pm

re: #749 Mich-again

Wondering what the Iranians are plotting with Hexbollah right now.

As for their proxy army in Gaza, they are in deep shit.

read a comment in another thread that Ehud Barak has directly threatened Nasrallah. with what , i dont know... but one can only imagine that the threat must have been serious enough for Hez to hold back.

my guess is that it must have involved some sort of Mossad threat that spooked Nasrallah...

767 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:54:37pm

Info from Carl in Jerusalem:
'UPDATE 10:20 PM
Israel Radio is reporting that since Israel cut off the Philadelphi corridor, the 'Palestinians' have no way to get ammunition beyond what they currently have available to them.'

Heh.

And from israellycool we read that '10:30PM: The IDF earlier imposed a naval blockade on Gaza.'

Sucks, doesn't it, hamasholes!

768 Mich-again  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:54:46pm

Is there a Green Helmet Guy in Gaza yet? By tomorrow I am guessing.

769 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:55:06pm

re: #755 Ojoe

I have the deepest contempt for that vile Amy Goodman person.

Ooooh, Dante would have a place for her.

With fire, you think, or with cold? Me? I'm partial to cold - closer to Judeccum, for the traitors.

770 Joo-LiZ  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:55:23pm

re: #766 buzzdroid

read a comment in another thread that Ehud Barak has directly threatened Nasrallah. with what , i dont know... but one can only imagine that the threat must have been serious enough for Hez to hold back.

my guess is that it must have involved some sort of Mossad threat that spooked Nasrallah...

I think it more likely that Hizballah's handlers in Syria and Iran are holding the leash tight.

I'm still expectant something will flare up there before this is all over, but I have a suspicion that's just what the IDF is waiting on.

771 alegrias  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:55:39pm

re: #749 Mich-again

Wondering what the Iranians are plotting with Hexbollah right now.

As for their proxy army in Gaza, they are in deep shit.

* * *
Iranians are plotting and IRAQ's president Al Maliki is right there in Tehran, singing along with Ahmedinejad--that Israel's actions are criminal.

F. Al Maliki, may he be shoe assaulted & toppled one day by a better, pro-Israeli Iraqi leader.

772 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:56:31pm

re: #765 alegrias

* * * * *
Yes, Reagan could have done better against islamofascists. You know he wanted to avenge the murders of our troops and the Achille Lauro victim Leon Klinghoffer and many others. Reagan's diaries are full of his anguish over these murders.

He had his hands full bringing down the Iron Curtain and reversing some of Jimmy Carter's and liberals damaging demoralizing attacks on America.

indeed.. i didnt mean to criticise the Gipper.. good man , who liberated hundreds of millions of people.

he just got seriously BAD advice. iran/contra is another one... i can understand the motives, but by god did that make America look "weak" to the Iranians...

but no matter - he ended communism and liberated millions in eastern europe. thats more than any "peace protestor" or "anti-nuke campaigner" ever did. he did enough. and thats ok with me.

773 Opilio  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:56:38pm

A couple of the more popular posts on this topic over at Koz:

What I do know about Hamas... (15+ / 0-) (15 updings)
is that they have expressed a willingness to negotiate with Israel.
...
Which one is the terrorist again? (19+ / 0-) (19 updings)
Israel has publicly stated that they will use military violence to effect a change in political leadership in Gaza. That is the textbook definition of terrorism.

O RLY?

774 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:57:02pm

re: #745 Dustyvet

It pains me to say this, but Goebbels knew indeed more about propaganda than anybody else, either then or now.

It really pays to study what he said - the hamasholes and other jihadists are all trying to apply what he taught ...

775 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:57:25pm

re: #770 Joo-LiZ

I think it more likely that Hizballah's handlers in Syria and Iran are holding the leash tight.

I'm still expectant something will flare up there before this is all over, but I have a suspicion that's just what the IDF is waiting on.

Syria has too many internal problems to keep lids on- I am guessing they do NOT was to attack and have IDF in just now. . .

776 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:57:27pm

re: #773 Opilio

A couple of the more popular posts on this topic over at Koz:

O RLY?

You know, if you go over to places like that, you should take a shower or something (penicillin?) before you come back in here.

777 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:57:35pm

re: #767 yma o hyd

Info from Carl in Jerusalem:
'UPDATE 10:20 PM
Israel Radio is reporting that since Israel cut off the Philadelphi corridor, the 'Palestinians' have no way to get ammunition beyond what they currently have available to them.'

Heh.

And from israellycool we read that '10:30PM: The IDF earlier imposed a naval blockade on Gaza.'

Sucks, doesn't it, hamasholes!

yma -

NO AMMUNITION in the South, NO GAS in the North - sounds like a PLAN to me.

-S-

778 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:58:01pm

re: #777 Dr. Shalit

yma -

NO AMMUNITION in the South, NO GAS in the North - sounds like a PLAN to me.

-S-

I love it when a plan comes together.

779 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:58:04pm

re: #768 Mich-again

Is there a Green Helmet Guy in Gaza yet? By tomorrow I am guessing.

and he'll have a teddy bear and several santa claus cards in his back pack.

guess he must be practising his wailing right now in the mirror. all getting ready for the big day tommorow..

dont forget the "pointing at something , in front of smoke, while wailing " Green Helmet Guy!

780 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:58:18pm

re: #748 buzzdroid

Do you also get the feeling that there may be special forces operating inside Gaza?

781 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:58:42pm

re: #780 yma o hyd

Do you also get the feeling that there may be special forces operating inside Gaza?

They'd better, or they're losing their touch.

782 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:59:13pm

re: #777 Dr. Shalit

yma -

NO AMMUNITION in the South, NO GAS in the North - sounds like a PLAN to me.

-S-

Silly goose. . .I believe this will be spun as a humaitarian crisis in 5. . .4. . .

for the people who elected the terrorists. . .in the first place. . .wait. . .

783 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:59:23pm

re: #779 buzzdroid

buzzdroid -

You forgot the HOLY BINKY of SOUTHERN LEBANON.

-S-

784 earth56  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:59:44pm

Off I go to Israel this Tuesday to visit my Mom

I'll give my best from the Lizard community

Thanks Charles for being a true blue friend

785 jamgarr  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:00:17pm

re: #784 earth56

Off I go to Israel this Tuesday to visit my Mom

I'll give my best from the Lizard community

Thanks Charles for being a true blue friend

Stay safe

786 Joo-LiZ  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:00:20pm

re: #781 Guanxi88

They'd better, or they're losing their touch.

I've heard from friends with text-messaging contacts within the IDF that special forces have been operating inside Gaza since the beginning, scoping out targets for the IAF and helping lay the groundwork in general for the assault.

I'd believe it, although I don't know how they could move around without Hamas freaking out about it.

787 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:00:22pm

re: #774 yma o hyd

It pains me to say this, but Goebbels knew indeed more about propaganda than anybody else, either then or now.

It really pays to study what he said - the hamasholes and other jihadists are all trying to apply what he taught ...

yup agree.

its a stereotype to portray the Nazis as dumbass rednecks from Bavaria - they were VERY intelligent, very well versed in politics and policy, and knew EXACTLY what they were doing.

which makes them even more scarey.

/been reading a few books on the third reich over the past few years that will put a chill in your bones...

788 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:00:29pm

re: #782 DisturbedEma

Silly goose. . .I believe this will be spun as a humaitarian crisis in 5. . .4. . .

for the people who elected the terrorists. . .in the first place. . .wait. . .

True, but then, it was already a crisis and a siege before it started, so what's to lose?

On a side note - when they've run out of ammo, they're moderates then, right?

789 nyc redneck  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:00:51pm

hamas never considered peace an option.
by their own admission, they will not rest until they drive the jews into the sea.
israel is doing the right thing by eliminating these barbarians.
and anyone around the world, crying crocodile tears for these scum, should take a look at how dangerous and monstrous they really are.
they bring nothing to humanity except vicious jihad.
it is a lie to say they are anything more terrorists.

israel is fighting for it's life now.
the civilized world should be applauding and encouraging them.
i pray they succeed. i pray no israeli soldier is lost.
and no innocent life taken.

790 Joo-LiZ  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:00:55pm

re: #784 earth56

Off I go to Israel this Tuesday to visit my Mom

I'll give my best from the Lizard community

Thanks Charles for being a true blue friend

Stay safe indeed.

791 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:01:27pm

re: #781 Guanxi88

They'd better, or they're losing their touch.

That is unlikely. . .

792 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:01:32pm

re: #758 Throbert McGee

Cue the endless variations of "Hopes for Peace Dashed as Israel Invades Gaza" from MSM headline writers...

I really don't understand why they're all so in love with Hamas, especially the female talking heads.
They never seem to have payed the least attention to what islam will do to them ...

793 earth56  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:01:36pm

re: #785 jamgarr


Thanks and I will

I just feel for my mom who has her entire life with conflict

794 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:01:58pm

re: #784 earth56

Off I go to Israel this Tuesday to visit my Mom

I'll give my best from the Lizard community

Thanks Charles for being a true blue friend

Go well. . .safe travels. . .

795 Joo-LiZ  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:02:05pm

re: #787 buzzdroid

yup agree.

its a stereotype to portray the Nazis as dumbass rednecks from Bavaria - they were VERY intelligent, very well versed in politics and policy, and knew EXACTLY what they were doing.

which makes them even more scarey.

/been reading a few books on the third reich over the past few years that will put a chill in your bones...

Yeah, it is something quite overlooked. They were very heavily "intellectual".

Philosophical, scientific, and utterly deranged and devoid of any humanity.

796 Mich-again  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:02:09pm

re: #771 alegrias

According to this story from Ynet Saeed Jalili, the secretary of Iran's Supreme National Security Council, is set to meet with leadership in Lebanon.

Following his visit to Syria, Jalili is expected to continue to Lebanon for a series of meetings with the country's senior officials.

Thats code for Hexbollah.

797 jamgarr  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:02:15pm

IDF says 30 Hamas dead

798 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:02:18pm

re: #780 yma o hyd

Do you also get the feeling that there may be special forces operating inside Gaza?

wouldnt surprise me. Ehud Barak is ex-special forces himself.

in order to acheive complete dominance quickly, it HAS to involve special forces eliminating key top hamas targets quickly. destroy the command and control.

ground forces serving as mopping up against the lower hamas ranks.

799 Joo-LiZ  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:02:18pm

re: #795 Joo-LiZ

Yeah, it is something quite overlooked. They were very heavily "intellectual".

Philosophical, scientific, and utterly deranged and devoid of any humanity compassion.

800 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:03:04pm

re: #791 DisturbedEma

That is unlikely. . .

Which is why I'd assume special operations folks were on the ground for some time.

Interesting thing, isn't it? IDF special units infiltrate Arab areas, and stay hidden and do their job like professionals? Arabs infiltrate Israeli areas, and they sort of spontaneously explode when they get in close proximity to the helpless and the innocent.

Purity of arms.

801 SonOfMan  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:04:25pm

God bless Israel and it's heroic warriors!

802 2senseplain  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:04:31pm

re: #777 Dr. Shalit

AND the electricity is off in most of Gaza.

803 layzrydr  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:04:56pm

Mosab Hassan Yousef will be on Fox News tonight at 9PM (NY).

Youesf the son of Hassan Yousf, a Gaza sheikh and one of the founders of Hamas, coverted to Christianity.

Should be interesting.

804 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:05:08pm

re: #795 Joo-LiZ

Yeah, it is something quite overlooked. They were very heavily "intellectual".

Philosophical, scientific, and utterly deranged and devoid of any humanity.

And yet, they had some really bat-sh*t crazy ideas here and there, too. I'm thinking of all that whacky occultism and bizarro pseudo-science they were doing. Ever read about the SS expedition to Tibet during the war? Looking for aryan ancestors and their descendants or signs of their culture. Mind-blowing.

805 Mich-again  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:05:09pm

re: #779 buzzdroid

And printing up signs that say Baby Milk Factory for the bombed out weapon depots.

806 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:05:10pm

re: #795 Joo-LiZ

Yeah, it is something quite overlooked. They were very heavily "intellectual".

Philosophical, scientific, and utterly deranged and devoid of any humanity.

yup - the current "intellectual left" in Europe shares many characteristics with the Nazi movement. you have to read a bit of history, but the similarities are there. just look at any "free gaza" or "anti-war" protest. there are two constant themes - anti-Jew (the "Zionist conspiracy") and anti-America.

807 transient  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:05:47pm

Back...
CNN of course repeating that a mosque was targeted without repeating the fact it was used to store weapons.

My friends, who are neither right wing nor religious, (but are pretty cynical) say the IDF should just level Gaza. They are worried about the soldiers.
They also say some of their ultra-lib coworkers say, even in context of Hamastan, there is nothing that can't be negotiated and war is not the answer. Un.believable.

808 solomonpanting  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:07:41pm

IDF: Anyone who hides a terrorist or weapons is considered a terrorist.

809 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:07:52pm

re: #806 buzzdroid

yup - the current "intellectual left" in Europe shares many characteristics with the Nazi movement. you have to read a bit of history, but the similarities are there. just look at any "free gaza" or "anti-war" protest. there are two constant themes - anti-Jew (the "Zionist conspiracy") and anti-America.

Not to hijack the thread, but Strauss pointed this out - the best minds of the 20th century fell into Nazism lock stock and barrel. It wasn't necessarily that Nazism was so compelling as it was that modern thought was so weak and impure. Heidegger, a staggering demi-god of intelligence, was a hard-core Nazi well after the end of the war.

Strauss noticed it, others did too: something went horribly wrong in Western thought some time ago.

810 alegrias  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:07:57pm

re: #792 yma o hyd

I really don't understand why they're all so in love with Hamas, especially the female talking heads.
They never seem to have payed the least attention to what islam will do to them ...

* * *
Oh come off it. Same reason "journalists" and liberals get weak in the knees with 85 year old Fidel Castro. Dancing with the Devil it's called.

811 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:08:13pm

Ehud Barak on AGAIN .. english language statement

Sky news.

812 Mich-again  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:08:29pm

re: #807 transient

My friends, who are neither right wing nor religious, (but are pretty cynical) say the IDF should just level Gaza.

What like Assad Sr. did to the city of Hama? That's how an Arab regime deals with terrorists who infiltrate an entire city. And no one else in the Arab world seemed to care much.

813 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:09:08pm

re: #809 Guanxi88

Not to hijack the thread, but Strauss pointed this out - the best minds of the 20th century fell into Nazism lock stock and barrel. It wasn't necessarily that Nazism was so compelling as it was that modern thought was so weak and impure. Heidegger, a staggering demi-god of intelligence, was a hard-core Nazi well after the end of the war.

Strauss noticed it, others did too: something went horribly wrong in Western thought some time ago.

and H.G. Wells too... thought that fascism was the way forward.

see the Jonah Goldberg book "Liberal Fascism"

814 Opilio  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:09:13pm

re: #776 Guanxi88

You know, if you go over to places like that, you should take a shower or something (penicillin?) before you come back in here.

I generally don a level 4 HazMat suit before I venture out, and incinerate it upon my return.

815 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:09:15pm

re: #777 Dr. Shalit

To me as well - I think the IDF has the upper hand and has been dictating the events, unlike in Lebanon in 2006.

Right now an israeli spokesman (Mark Regev)is tearing a new one on the Beeb female reporter.
Heh - and she's 'threatening' him with Sarkozy coming on Monday ...

She cannot answer, she's reeling off her prepared questions, with throbbing voice.

I'm suddenly really despising all these female reporters ...

816 alegrias  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:09:40pm

re: #796 Mich-again

According to this story from Ynet Saeed Jalili, the secretary of Iran's Supreme National Security Council, is set to meet with leadership in Lebanon.


Thats code for Hexbollah.

* * *
A pox on their houses. Maybe some collateral damage will happen.

817 earth56  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:09:42pm

re: #807 transient

Back...
CNN of course repeating that a mosque was targeted without repeating the fact it was used to store weapons.

My friends, who are neither right wing nor religious, (but are pretty cynical) say the IDF should just level Gaza. They are worried about the soldiers.
They also say some of their ultra-lib coworkers say, even in context of Hamastan, there is nothing that can't be negotiated and war is not the answer. Un.believable.

Libs seem to think that we could possibly be wrong that the earth is oval and we should look into it further
sarc/

818 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:10:28pm

re: #812 Mich-again

What like Assad Sr. did to the city of Hama? That's how an Arab regime deals with terrorists who infiltrate an entire city. And no one else in the Arab world seemed to care much.

est 15,000 dead in that operation.

no more Jihadi problem in Syria after that.

yup - they literally surrounded the city with artillery and levelled the place.

/note to moonbats : how come you dont know about the levelling of the city of Hama?

819 6pat6  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:10:56pm

re: #807 transient

T

hey also say some of their ultra-lib coworkers say, even in context of Hamastan, there is nothing that can't be negotiated and war is not the answer. Un.believable.

The Lefty mantra - Why don't they like us? My answer to them - who gives a shit? I'm not here to be liked! The US is here to stand as the guardian of Right in the world, and help its friends whenever and wherever necessary! And if that is unpopular with the Lefties and alleged "world opinion", then tough shit on them! We keep the rest of the world from becoming a moon-god worshipping, third-world shitbox!

I feel better now! GO IDF!

820 transient  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:11:02pm

re: #780 yma o hyd

Do you also get the feeling that there may be special forces operating inside Gaza?

No question about it.
Israel has special ops units that specialize in the territories. They know how to operate in those areas, they look and act like Arabs. And they are not all Mizrachim (Jews from Arab countries), either.

Read Brotherhood of Warriors, by Aaron Cohen, about his experiences in Duvdevan, the special ops unit for the territories.

821 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:11:05pm

re: #813 buzzdroid

and H.G. Wells too... thought that fascism was the way forward.

see the Jonah Goldberg book "Liberal Fascism"

Read it, of course. Troubling, is it not, that our great intellects could be, as Strauss suggested, like blind giants, capable of doing anything, but not clear what should or shouldn't be done?

822 serious  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:11:17pm

re: #36 Ringo the Gringo
"May God protect the IDF and the innocent children."

Finishing off hamas and all that they represent is the best way to protect the palestinian children .

All my support to Israel and the IDF .

823 alegrias  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:11:53pm

re: #806 buzzdroid

yup - the current "intellectual left" in Europe shares many characteristics with the Nazi movement. you have to read a bit of history, but the similarities are there. just look at any "free gaza" or "anti-war" protest. there are two constant themes - anti-Jew (the "Zionist conspiracy") and anti-America.

* * * *
Some of those anti Israel protesters yesterday on tv were carrying signs with their name ANSWR or whatever that Stalinist group is that supported Saddam Hussein's right to wood chip human beings, but opposed President Bush's stopping the human sacrifice.

824 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:11:59pm

re: #822 serious

"May God protect the IDF and the innocent children."

Finishing off hamas and all that they represent is the best way to protect the palestinian children .

All my support to Israel and the IDF .

Hear, hear!

825 Joo-LiZ  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:12:42pm

re: #815 yma o hyd

To me as well - I think the IDF has the upper hand and has been dictating the events, unlike in Lebanon in 2006.

Right now an israeli spokesman (Mark Regev)is tearing a new one on the Beeb female reporter.
Heh - and she's 'threatening' him with Sarkozy coming on Monday ...

She cannot answer, she's reeling off her prepared questions, with throbbing voice.

I'm suddenly really despising all these female reporters ...

I wish I could see this, I hear Mark Regev is doing a great job.

I hope the vids will come up on YouTube soon.

826 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:12:58pm

re: #786 Joo-LiZ

Thanks for that - I thought so!

Thing is, special forces are really well trained to do this sort of thing, and you'll never hear how they are doing it, nor what they have done - except months later.
I'm thinking of the SAS, who've been quietly working in Iraq, under General petraeus (who praised them highly) - and I bet the Israeli Special Forces are as well-trained!

827 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:13:04pm

re: #800 Guanxi88

Which is why I'd assume special operations folks were on the ground for some time.

Interesting thing, isn't it? IDF special units infiltrate Arab areas, and stay hidden and do their job like professionals? Arabs infiltrate Israeli areas, and they sort of spontaneously explode when they get in close proximity to the helpless and the innocent.

Purity of arms.

And a will to only act on those who they intend. . .which, if you think about it, is what both sides always do. . .

828 Lynn B.  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:13:12pm

Jennifer Griffin (Fox News) is an idiot. As usual. She's talking about the battle in Jenin in 2002 and saying it was a huge "psychological victory" for the palestinians because they "drew in" the Israelis and massacred them. Funny. The only "massacre" I remember hearing about re: Jenin was the fake reports of hundreds of civilian casualties that later were proved utterly false.

What's she smoking?

829 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:13:43pm

re: #821 Guanxi88

Read it, of course. Troubling, is it not, that our great intellects could be, as Strauss suggested, like blind giants, capable of doing anything, but not clear what should or shouldn't be done?

they lost their moral compass.

as Denis Prager likes to say - if you want your kids to be dumb, send them to university.

( engineering, science , medicine excluded ... )

830 Mich-again  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:14:02pm

re: #818 buzzdroid

/note to moonbats : how come you dont know about the levelling of the city of Hama?

It is a fascinating story. I was a Senior in High School and I don't remember that ever being much of a story in the news. IIRC every night on the TV news we got a steady dose of Euros protesting against Reagan and the USA.

831 Picayune  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:14:12pm

re: #767 yma o hyd

Hey Cynthia McKinney and your "Dignity" pals - that's your que to test again that IDF naval blockade on Gaza, please try it now!

832 alegrias  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:14:14pm

re: #820 transient

No question about it.
Israel has special ops units that specialize in the territories. They know how to operate in those areas, they look and act like Arabs. And they are not all Mizrachim (Jews from Arab countries), either.

Read Brotherhood of Warriors, by Aaron Cohen, about his experiences in Duvdevan, the special ops unit for the territories.

* * *
Is it a fact FATAH Palestinian factions are ratting out their enemy HAMAS to the IDF? If so, I love it.

833 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:14:42pm

re: #828 Lynn B.

Jennifer Griffin (Fox News) is an idiot. As usual. She's talking about the battle in Jenin in 2002 and saying it was a huge "psychological victory" for the palestinians because they "drew in" the Israelis and massacred them. Funny. The only "massacre" I remember hearing about re: Jenin was the fake reports of hundreds of civilian casualties that later were proved utterly false.

What's she smoking?


They have become so willing to ignore contradictions. . .they now do it without effort. . .

834 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:14:44pm

re: #787 buzzdroid

Could you stick the titles/authors up in the spin-off links, under 'books'?
Would be much appreciated by all lizards, I'm sure!

835 Lynn B.  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:15:43pm

They're getting a lot of the exact same Fox News broadcast in Israel that we're getting here, but they cut away to Sky a lot more. I was just talking to my mom in Jerusalem, watching FN with my TV on mute and listening to the audio over the phone in the background. Almost no time lag.

836 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:15:45pm

re: #832 alegrias

* * *
Is it a fact FATAH Palestinian factions are ratting out their enemy HAMAS to the IDF? If so, I love it.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. . .karma's a bitch huh?

837 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:16:09pm

re: #827 DisturbedEma

And a will to only act on those who they intend. . .which, if you think about it, is what both sides always do. . .

It's the difference between fighting decent folk and fighting demons.

838 rumcrook  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:16:49pm

re: #803 layzrydr

I just saw a snippet of that. he hammers hammas. he said they torture at will (other palistinians), and anyone who says anything gets the same treatment.

839 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:16:56pm

re: #826 yma o hyd

Thanks for that - I thought so!

Thing is, special forces are really well trained to do this sort of thing, and you'll never hear how they are doing it, nor what they have done - except months later.
I'm thinking of the SAS, who've been quietly working in Iraq, under General petraeus (who praised them highly) - and I bet the Israeli Special Forces are as well-trained!

sometimes its even DECADES later... the details of the SAS assault on the Iranian embassy in London , circa 1982, only came to light after a 10 year ban, or thereabouts... probably more.

takes a special kind of soldier to be special ops - you wont get public recognition and glory , and you wont be a hero in public. its a "job" and you get on with it.
tough guys and i'm in massive admiration of them.

840 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:17:06pm

re: #831 Picayune

Hey Cynthia McKinney and your "Dignity" pals - that's your que to test again that IDF naval blockade on Gaza, please try it now!

Ahh, now that would be interesting, why do these idiots only offer humanitarian aid in peace time? Go help them now. . .please Cindy. . .

841 6pat6  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:17:12pm

re: #833 DisturbedEma

Jennifer Griffin (Fox News) is an idiot. As usual. She's talking about the battle in Jenin in 2002 and saying it was a huge "psychological victory" for the palestinians because they "drew in" the Israelis and massacred them. Funny. The only "massacre" I remember hearing about re: Jenin was the fake reports of hundreds of civilian casualties that later were proved utterly false.

What's she smoking?


They have become so willing to ignore contradictions. . .they now do it without effort. . .

The MSM continues to bask in yet its total ignorance and total inability to recognize and admit their standing in what amounts to be co-conspirators in what's going on. Sometimes, I really despise the media with all my heart.

842 alegrias  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:17:19pm

re: #828 Lynn B.

Jennifer Griffin (Fox News) is an idiot. As usual. She's talking about the battle in Jenin in 2002 and saying it was a huge "psychological victory" for the palestinians because they "drew in" the Israelis and massacred them. Funny. The only "massacre" I remember hearing about re: Jenin was the fake reports of hundreds of civilian casualties that later were proved utterly false.

What's she smoking?

* * *
Ms. Griffin has perhaps become too wealthy & well known in Washington, DC's liberal circles where she now lives in a fancy house across from the Vice President's home in the Naval Observatory--VERY liberal circles, right off "Embassy Row" where the internationalists party.

843 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:17:43pm

re: #832 alegrias

* * *
Is it a fact FATAH Palestinian factions are ratting out their enemy HAMAS to the IDF? If so, I love it.

dont forget that Hamas literally THREW Fatah guys from the roofs of apartment blocks in gaza when they took over.

dozens more shot to death.

yup - its a given that Fatah are helping out.

844 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:18:10pm

re: #837 Guanxi88

It's the difference between fighting decent folk and fighting demons.

And holding life sacred. . .a key point of difference between the cultures. . .

845 Lynn B.  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:18:22pm

re: #833 DisturbedEma

They have become so willing to ignore contradictions. . .they now do it without effort. . .

Utterly bizarre. And impossible to sort out factual reporting from total fabrication unless you already know what's going on.

846 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:18:52pm

re: #802 2senseplain

AND the electricity is off in most of Gaza.

"2sense" -

AND - What is the LAST time that Electric Bill was Paid? In my life I have been "skint" and had utilities turned off. PRAY TELL - why are Gaza Residents exempt from power outages other than the fact that they are Muslim Arabs and the apple of the MSM's eye? By the way - The WATER BILL hasn't been paid either.

-S-

847 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:19:28pm

re: #841 6pat6

The MSM continues to bask in yet its total ignorance and total inability to recognize and admit their standing in what amounts to be co-conspirators in what's going on. Sometimes, I really despise the media with all my heart.

After this election and now this war? There is no sometimes for me anymore. . .I despise the MSM

848 transient  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:20:05pm

re: #812 Mich-again

What like Assad Sr. did to the city of Hama? That's how an Arab regime deals with terrorists who infiltrate an entire city. And no one else in the Arab world seemed to care much.

They never care when Arabs kill Arabs. They only care when Israelis and other Westerners/ infidels do it.

849 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:20:15pm

re: #844 DisturbedEma

And holding life sacred. . .a key point of difference between the cultures. . .

I think that comes down to the human/demon distinction. If you're a human - irrespective of culture - you value life. If you're a demon - irrespective of culture - you don't.

When demons are in the saddle, the culture don't matter. Look at Germany - a decent, cultured, refined and civilized people whose energies and powers were turned in the twinkling of an eye to destruction. Demonic.

850 Mardukhai  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:20:21pm

Anybody know the model of assault rifle the Israeli soldier is using in this Reuters photo in Ynet?

851 Mich-again  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:20:33pm

re: #843 buzzdroid

yup - its a given that Fatah are helping out.

I'm sure some of the Fatah employees that used to moonlight for Hamas are now Hamas employees moonlighting for Fatah.

852 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:20:57pm

re: #845 Lynn B.

Utterly bizarre. And impossible to sort out factual reporting from total fabrication unless you already know what's going on.

Yeah- if not so lethal to good people and actions, this would be amusing to see such contortions

MSM lies, Truth dies

853 Lynn B.  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:21:27pm

re: #842 alegrias

* * *
Ms. Griffin has perhaps become too wealthy & well known in Washington, DC's liberal circles where she now lives in a fancy house across from the Vice President's home in the Naval Observatory--VERY liberal circles, right off "Embassy Row" where the internationalists party.

Heh. Is that it? Well she styles herself as quite an expert based on the time she's spent on location in the Middle East. She delivered the same mindless drivel then. Often wearing a head scarf that never seemed to want to stay in place.

854 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:21:49pm

re: #780 yma o hyd

Do you also get the feeling that there may be special forces operating inside Gaza?

Certainly. I strongly suspect that Fatah operatives will magically emerge from hiding wherever the IDF goes as well. One task facing the Israelis will be to mitigate the inevitable reprisals.

855 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:21:55pm

more i think about it - this is the israeli SURGE..

think about it..

US. Army + "Awakening" movement = the surge in iraq . get the bad guys - al qaeda - offer the normal folks trade deals, politics and doing stuff peacefully.

Gaza its the same deal
IDF + Fatah = gaza surge. get the bad guys -Hamas. offer the normal folks trade deals, politics and doing stuff peacefully.


its the surge. thats what they are doing!

856 Joan  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:22:16pm

re: #812 Mich-again What like Assad Sr. did to the city of Hama? That's how an Arab regime deals with terrorists who infiltrate an entire city. And no one else in the Arab world seemed to care much.
re: #818 buzzdroid

est 15,000 dead in that operation. no more Jihadi problem in Syria after that. yup - they literally surrounded the city with artillery and levelled the place.
/note to moonbats : how come you don't know about the levelling of the city of Hama?

I had never heard of this operation by Syria. It is very interesting that the media claque have not given us this relevant "background" to dealing with terror enclaves.

857 alegrias  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:22:19pm

Well I've enjoyed this 8th or 9th day of Christmas with you wise men & women.

Remember January 6th is Epiphany when the three Kings of Orient are tradionally due in Bethlehem bringing "gifts" to the Jewish baby Christians worship.

Go IDF, beat evildoers.

I support any of my tax dollars used in this endeavor.

858 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:22:22pm

re: #850 Mardukhai

Anybody know the model of assault rifle the Israeli soldier is using in this Reuters photo in Ynet?

I think that's the new "M - Better get it now before the AW Ban is renewed", IDF model.

Don't know what it is, and usually prefer more wood on my stocks, but I'll take three, please.

859 earth56  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:22:49pm

re: #848 transient

They never care when Arabs kill Arabs. They only care when Israelis and other Westerners/ infidels do it.


Half of the MSM couldn't place Israel on a map or a clue on the history of the country.

When they ask a dumbass question to an expert they look like a deer with headlights

860 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:22:54pm

re: #849 Guanxi88

I think that comes down to the human/demon distinction. If you're a human - irrespective of culture - you value life. If you're a demon - irrespective of culture - you don't.

When demons are in the saddle, the culture don't matter. Look at Germany - a decent, cultured, refined and civilized people whose energies and powers were turned in the twinkling of an eye to destruction. Demonic.

Yes, with a lot of help from psychology, propaganda, and antisemitism. . .which is very much going on now in MSM. . .

861 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:23:06pm

Aww - the female reporter on the Beeb, reporting fromIisrael, says that France and Sarkozy condemn Israel's incursion, and will come to israel on Monday, with three other 'European' foreign ministers.
Stupid moonbat - the Czech Republic now has the EU presidency, they have just said that they regard this as a defensive act by Israel - and the Czech foreign minister has said that he supports Israel, full stop.
Sarkozy is decoration, nothing more.

Must hurt to be so uninformed ...

862 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:23:23pm

re: #563 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

A very real possibility of Hezbos opening fire. See my comment earlier today why.

863 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:24:12pm

re: #860 DisturbedEma

Yes, with a lot of help from psychology, propaganda, and antisemitism. . .which is very much going on now in MSM. . .

I had a little something on it earlier in the thread. A sort of confluence of intellectual vapidity, pop-culture evil, and Arab petro-dollars.

864 Steve  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:24:40pm

I wonder how many of these so called 'allahs warriors' have fled the battlefield?

I pray that the IDF comes out of this totally unscathed and victorious.

865 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:24:45pm

re: #856 Joan

I had never heard of this operation by Syria. It is very interesting that the media claque have not given us this relevant "background" to dealing with terror enclaves.

wikipedia knows all...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

higher estimates of 25,000 killed.

/note to "we are all hamas" moonbats - how come you dont know about this?

866 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:24:48pm

If India move against Pakistan while the Gaza operation is underway, the media talking heads will explode.

867 Joan  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:25:16pm

re: #828 Lynn B.

Jennifer Griffin (Fox News) is an idiot. As usual. She's talking about the battle in Jenin in 2002 and saying it was a huge "psychological victory" for the palestinians because they "drew in" the Israelis and massacred them. Funny. The only "massacre" I remember hearing about re: Jenin was the fake reports of hundreds of civilian casualties that later were proved utterly false.

What's she smoking?

Like myself, her knowledge is shallow and third-hand. My excuse is that I'm not a telejournalist on a major network with a duty to inform and provide accuracy and context. What's her excuse?

868 earth56  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:25:17pm

re: #861 yma o hyd

Aww - the female reporter on the Beeb, reporting fromIisrael, says that France and Sarkozy condemn Israel's incursion, and will come to israel on Monday, with three other 'European' foreign ministers.
Stupid moonbat - the Czech Republic now has the EU presidency, they have just said that they regard this as a defensive act by Israel - and the Czech foreign minister has said that he supports Israel, full stop.
Sarkozy is decoration, nothing more.


France has to do this because of its large Islamic population so they don't have more car burning festivals this week

Must hurt to be so uninformed ...

869 Mich-again  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:25:39pm

re: #848 transient

They never care when Arabs kill Arabs. They only care when Israelis and other Westerners/ infidels do it.

They don't care when Persians kill Arabs either. Ahwazi Arabs are methodically being ethically cleansed by the Mullahs and the rest of the Arab world could give a shit.

870 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:25:43pm

re: #866 Shiplord Kirel

If India move against Pakistan while the Gaza operation is underway, the media talking heads will explode.

So is that a vote pro or con?

871 alegrias  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:26:03pm

re: #856 Joan

I had never heard of this operation by Syria. It is very interesting that the media claque have not given us this relevant "background" to dealing with terror enclaves.

* * *
I think it's called the Hama Rule.

Kind of like what Saddam Hussein did to Halabja's kurds with biological chemical weapons. Total annihilation of women, children, every living thing.

872 Junior  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:26:11pm

Someone earlier said "The US is here to stand as the guardian of Right in the world, and help its friends whenever and wherever necessary"

And to that I'd like to remind everybody...
No nation has "friends"... only "interests"

873 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:26:25pm

re: #855 buzzdroid

more i think about it - this is the israeli SURGE..

think about it..

US. Army + "Awakening" movement = the surge in iraq . get the bad guys - al qaeda - offer the normal folks trade deals, politics and doing stuff peacefully.

Gaza its the same deal
IDF + Fatah = gaza surge. get the bad guys -Hamas. offer the normal folks trade deals, politics and doing stuff peacefully.

its the surge. thats what they are doing!

buzzdroid -

An interesting "Take" - Let's see if that "Take" takes.

-S-

874 2senseplain  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:26:36pm

re: #846 Dr. Shalit

Don't disagree with you at all. Should have been done AGES ago. Was pointing out that the IDF seems to be dotting all the i's and crossing all the t's. As a matter of fact, my heart is breaking especially for all the former Jewish residents of Gush Katif who all predicted today quite accurately and are sitting pretty well dispossed and ruined for nothing(and may very well be among all those "tens of thousands" called up to retake Gaza).

875 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:27:31pm

how the Syrians dealt with their version of Hamas

"After encountering fierce resistance, Rifaat's forces ringed the city with artillery and shelled it for three weeks.

Afterward, military and internal security personnel were dispatched to comb through the rubble for surviving Brothers and their sympathizers.[3] Then followed several weeks of torture and mass executions of suspected rebel sympathizers, killing many thousands, known as the Hama Massacre. Estimates of casualties vary from an estimated 7000 to 35,000 people killed, including about 1000 soldiers"

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

next time you see the UN or the Euroweenies or the IslamoCrazies crying over "Gaza", keep that particular historicial event in mind.

876 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:27:54pm

re: #863 Guanxi88

I had a little something on it earlier in the thread. A sort of confluence of intellectual vapidity, pop-culture evil, and Arab petro-dollars.

The media industrial complex has tentatively agitating for a government bail-out for quite some time now, with moonbat representatives in places like Taxachusetts openly suggesting such subsidies. Maybe the MSM have realized that the Obama administration will be broke and they are looking elsewhere, specifically to Saudi Arabia, for their salvation.

877 Mich-again  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:28:09pm

re: #865 buzzdroid

See how they succinctly label the attack type as "scorched Earth".

878 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:28:28pm

re: #875 buzzdroid

how the Syrians dealt with their version of Hamas

"After encountering fierce resistance, Rifaat's forces ringed the city with artillery and shelled it for three weeks.

Afterward, military and internal security personnel were dispatched to comb through the rubble for surviving Brothers and their sympathizers.[3] Then followed several weeks of torture and mass executions of suspected rebel sympathizers, killing many thousands, known as the Hama Massacre. Estimates of casualties vary from an estimated 7000 to 35,000 people killed, including about 1000 soldiers"

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

next time you see the UN or the Euroweenies or the IslamoCrazies crying over "Gaza", keep that particular historicial event in mind.

So, does Assad have a patent on this sort of thing, or can anyone apply the process on their own? Seems to have worked.

879 Joan  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:28:31pm

re: #866 Shiplord Kirel

If India move against Pakistan while the Gaza operation is underway, the media talking heads will explode.

I hope that doesn't happen, it need not happen. However, seeing media talking heads explode--well, I'd rather that came about through unexpected victories and breakthroughs for freedom...

880 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:29:26pm

re: #870 Guanxi88

So is that a vote pro or con?

I am in favor of anything that reduces the goebbelist elite to confusion and disarray.

881 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:29:44pm

re: #875 buzzdroid

buzzdroid -

In the Muslim Middle East there is a description of what you outlined. It is called "BUSINESS AS USUAL."

-S-

882 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:30:21pm

re: #880 Shiplord Kirel

I am in favor of anything that reduces the goebbelist elite to confusion and disarray.

So, counting me, and regretting in advance the loss of life and destruction of property, that's two "for".

883 desdichado  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:30:22pm

re: #850 Mardukhai--the rifle the Israeli soldier is holding

Isn't it a Galil?

884 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:30:39pm

re: #873 Dr. Shalit

buzzdroid -

An interesting "Take" - Let's see if that "Take" takes.

-S-

just idle speculation... being far away from the situation (in the UK) , I have no way of knowing. but i hope it is the case, because it will result in two very important things

a) an absolute bare MINIMUM of civillian casualties and more importantly
b) an bare minimum of IDF casualties.

with two results - bare minimum "international condemnation", but also a bare minimum of Israeli criticism (over IDF casualties)...

thats pretty much what happened during the surge in Iraq.

885 greenmiler  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:31:08pm

I'm always reminded just how buggy IE is when the thread gets long; switched back to Mozilla

886 rumcrook  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:31:23pm

re: #872 Junior

thats why israel did this now, before the innuogration. before the u.s's interests "changed"

887 NY Nana  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:31:42pm

I just got this, and it is the hardest video I have ever watched..warning: if you are sqeamish at all, please do not even try to watch....devastating, but this is the reality Israelis face 24/365. The title is:

THE REASON ISRAEL ATTACK HAMAS(*hard images*), what would YOU do if this images was from YOUR town?!

Here is the info:

This is a video showing the situation in ISRAEL in the past years.
these are very hard and shocking photographs that you can ONLY find on the internet.
The Israeli media never showed these pictures before, out of respect to the families of the casualties.
Thats why people in the world see the death in GAZA, but all this YEARS u never saw all the civilians that died here by those "innocent" Palestinians. You see now the news without really understand that this operation is a result of 8 YEARS that Palestinians attack Israel DAILY.

During the past 8 years [!] the southern civilian population in Israel has suffered continuous shootings of missiles 10,000 ROCKETS were shoot from GAZA by Hamas terrorists in the past three years. 3,646 of them only in 2008
WHY in all this 8 years when the Palestinians shooting rockets on Israeli civilians the world DIDNT SAY A WORD?! Suddenly Palestinians killed and everybody is waking up and has so much to say. This reality is NOT acceptable in ANY country in the world! Show me 1 country that will SIT QUIET 8 YEARS, while ROCKETS hit on he's civilians daily!

This operation is something that should append years ago. Our civilians deserve to live finally in PEACE, without be afraid that every second a rocket can hit you. And the "innocent" Palestinians that support HAMAS and let them shoot rockets from their OWN houses got what they brought on themselves.

NOT like the target of Hamas, the operation in Gaza was NOT to hurt any innocent people, the purpose was to stop HAMAS from shooting at innocent Israeli citizens.
,during the operation in GAZA, civilians received warnings by phone or papers scattered all over Gaza, telling them which places are going to be bombarded and that they need to evacuate immediately.
While the IDF destroying Hamas targets, the hamas shooting rockets ONLY on civilians!
While the Hamas shooting from the areas of the Palestinian civilians, Israel brings the Palestinians food and medicines.
We must stop them ones and for all.

For the idiot people that says Israel is a terrorist country= WTF?!?
We are not the ones who teaching their children to hate people they dont even know. We are not those who think that to go and bomb yourself in a restaurant full of innocent people is the best thing you can do with your life.
Nobody here wants war. Nobody here wants to destroy other people culture. Nobody here did a suicide attack. So How people can say we are the terrorist?! Open you're eyes a little. We just want to live our lives in peace and have fun like any person in the world.
No more go out from home without knowing if you will come back safe.
No more go out to a party and some insane Arab bomb himself.
No more go out from a restaurant and after 5 minuets see the all place exploded, and people you talked to 5 minuets ago, now became to pieces
No more running for you're life when you hear the alarm, and living in fear that a rocket can hit you any second.
No more see rockets hit you're street
No more hear a rocket explode, and then call you're friend and realize she will never answer again
No more see you're best friend for 16 years dying because insane terrorist bomb himself while she was sitting in a bus.
ISRAEL is a country that suffers from terror attacks for so many years. So many INNOCENT people lost their life because the INSANE ideology of insane terrorists in a crazy terror attacks. This must stoppp.
S T O P - T E R R O R !
P.E.A.S.E.

888 transient  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:31:49pm

re: #832 alegrias

* * *
Is it a fact FATAH Palestinian factions are ratting out their enemy HAMAS to the IDF? If so, I love it.

I read an article in the Jm Post a few days ago where someone in the Israeli security establishment said that was in fact the case. The Fatah guys in Gaza hate Hamas, they remember their buddies being thrown from buildings when Hamas took Gaza by force.

889 Baruch Menachem  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:32:31pm

I think every Israeli would probably disaprove, but it seems the only way to fix the Hamas problem would be to deal with it like Joshua dealt with Jerico.

That is uncivilized, but I do think that is the only way to take care of the problem. Israel, for good reason, refuses to go that way. Which means that this is only a small bit of frustration in attacking the problem. But as far as resolving the Hamas issue, it is like putting an acne remedy on a cancer.

Fundamentally, there is something wrong with the culture there that glorifies death and survives on cargo cultism.

890 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:32:38pm

re: #883 desdichado

Isn't it a Galil?

No, Galil's are right out, these days. Looks to be an M-16 variant, or maybe one of those M-4's

891 rocket88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:33:11pm

Looks like an M-4 with a bi-pod and scope.

892 Picayune  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:33:43pm

re: #840 DisturbedEma

Yea, the world's media is poised and waiting for you! Get you some fame, babe! (Buy a life insurance policy, first)

893 Mich-again  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:34:43pm

re: #862 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

A very real possibility of Hezbos opening fire. See my comment earlier today why.

I think the Mullahs are counting down the days until GWB is out of office.

894 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:35:09pm

re: #874 2senseplain

Don't disagree with you at all. Should have been done AGES ago. Was pointing out that the IDF seems to be dotting all the i's and crossing all the t's. As a matter of fact, my heart is breaking especially for all the former Jewish residents of Gush Katif who all predicted today quite accurately and are sitting pretty well dispossed and ruined for nothing(and may very well be among all those "tens of thousands" called up to retake Gaza).

its quite obvious that the residents of Gush Katif can take the moral high ground today. they were right.

there is no way to avoid it.

*however* - it took that level of pain to proove it to the rest of the world. said as it is, but Ariel Sharon was a master of strategy , and thats what he had in mind. stand back - see what happens...

and to be honest - he was right. Foreign countries are not condemning Israel so much this time round - INCLUDING the Arab states. notice how the Arab states are pretty quiet?

short term, Sharon was wrong. long term - he was right.

895 MarineMomSue  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:36:42pm

re: #548 Dustyvet

Hey LT, did you know that Robert Stroud "The Bird Man of Alcatraz" is buried in Metropolis, Illinois? Wonder if he's a registered voter?

Convicted felons can vote in Ill., so I expect he probably casts his allotted 2-5 votes, regularly.

896 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:36:43pm

re: #884 buzzdroid

buzzdroid -

Works for me. That is all.

-S-

897 rumcrook  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:40:19pm

re: #890 Guanxi88

the m-16 variant is winning out around the world becuase its a great modular platform. with one lower half you can pull two pins and slap on a a longer barrel/upper with a sniper scope and walla you have a designated marksman reaching out and touching the enemy while everyone else manuevers, or digs in. you can slap on multiple enhancements on the rails,

898 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:40:45pm

re: #887 NY Nana

note the VERY FIRST photo in that sequence - an orthodox jewish rescue worker gesturing AT THE CAMERA to STOP...

i did what that first photo did. i stopped.

/buzzdroid believes in respect for the dead. i dont believe in viewing pictures of them, or revelling in it.

i believe that is why Judaism , and Israel itself, does NOT show those photos - its against their religion (as far as i know) - and so therefore, i shall respect that.

i DO NOT want to go down into the cesspit of Hamas/Jihad videos with their death and violence and celebration of death and parading of the dead , including DEAD children.. that is sick as hell. it is IMPORTANT that we know the distinction - there is a REASON why israel does not parade its dead like the Hamassholes... they are civilised, Hamas are death loving barbarians.

thanks for effort and the link though - i can fully understand why you did that.

899 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:40:50pm

re: #878 Guanxi88

So, does Assad have a patent on this sort of thing, or can anyone apply the process on their own? Seems to have worked.

I am quite sure Jordan engaged in some harsh tactics in dealing with upstart Arabs. . .

900 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:41:28pm

Militant leader Omar Bakri has ordered his followers to convert ‘aliens’ to Islam.

Bakri, 50, is said to have issued the decree during a bizarre rant posted on an extremist website, in which he said Muslims needed to spread the word of Islam all over the world and across the galaxy too.


"Insanity runs in my family, it practically gallops"

Cary Grant

Arsenic and Old Lace

901 Dave the.....  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:42:40pm

Scanning news headlines.....Euro wienies oppose Israel. And an anti-Israel rally occured today in Minneapolis.

902 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:43:19pm
903 Lynn B.  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:43:33pm

re: #894 buzzdroid

its quite obvious that the residents of Gush Katif can take the moral high ground today. they were right.

there is no way to avoid it.

*however* - it took that level of pain to proove it to the rest of the world. said as it is, but Ariel Sharon was a master of strategy , and thats what he had in mind. stand back - see what happens...

and to be honest - he was right. Foreign countries are not condemning Israel so much this time round - INCLUDING the Arab states. notice how the Arab states are pretty quiet?

short term, Sharon was wrong. long term - he was right.

No. He wasn't. And foreign countries wouldn't need to be condemning or not condemning Israel if there simply wasn't a "this time around" because there would have been no opportunity for the terrorists in Gaza to become even remotely this sort of threat if not for the "disengagement." Short term, long term, even many of its former supporters have now realized that it was, at best, a gamble, a bad bet that has been lost at a horrific cost that hasn't even begun to reach its limits yet. This war is only one of the dividends.

904 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:43:38pm

re: #901 Dave the.....

Scanning news headlines.....Euro wienies oppose Israel. And an anti-Israel rally occured today in Minneapolis.

No sarcasm: was Franken there?

905 jamgarr  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:44:03pm

CNN interviewing a Gazan psychiatrist!

906 jwb7605  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:44:46pm

re: #905 jamgarr

CNN interviewing a Gazan psychiatrist!

oxymoron?

907 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:45:42pm

re: #904 jwb7605

No sarcasm: was Franken there?

Did Marv Davidov attend?

908 jamgarr  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:45:47pm

Whinefest!

909 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:46:10pm

re: #906 jwb7605

oxymoron?


CNN is a moronic ox?

910 jamgarr  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:46:34pm

Lots of airburst shells

911 earth56  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:46:55pm

re: #905 jamgarr

CNN interviewing a Gazan psychiatrist!

He should be rather rich having an office there

912 transient  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:47:06pm

Media is reporting that Israel is claiming its objective is to take over the areas where the rockets are being fired.

This is a ridiculous objective, since the rockets can always be moved. I'm just wondering if this is disinformation for both the media and the enemy.... Israel probably doesn't want to say (too often) that it intends to destroy/cripple Hamas as an organization, because for some reason political goals are less politically correct than solid military objectives. Even though war is the continuation of diplomacy by other means...

913 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:47:38pm

re: #885 greenmiler

I'm always reminded just how buggy IE is when the thread gets long; switched back to Mozilla

greenmiller -

If you want to do yourself a favor - Download IETab to your FF - works about 90% of the time you need IE - in the words of "Dr. Levin" - THANK ME!

-S-

914 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:47:49pm

re: #899 DisturbedEma

I am quite sure Jordan engaged in some harsh tactics in dealing with upstart Arabs. . .

"Black September", 1970
tens of thousands of Palestinians killed by the Jordanian army

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

end result: PLO fled to Lebanon.

915 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:47:56pm

re: #911 earth56

He should be rather rich having an office there

That guys just has to be laughing all the way to the bank.

916 jamgarr  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:48:00pm

re: #911 earth56

He should be rather rich having an office there

He has to bake his bread in a primitive oven!

917 earth56  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:48:39pm

re: #912 transient


The Israelis should just report that they are there to check up on the Baby Formula factorys

918 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:49:13pm

re: #903 Lynn B.

No. He wasn't. And foreign countries wouldn't need to be condemning or not condemning Israel if there simply wasn't a "this time around" because there would have been no opportunity for the terrorists in Gaza to become even remotely this sort of threat if not for the "disengagement." Short term, long term, even many of its former supporters have now realized that it was, at best, a gamble, a bad bet that has been lost at a horrific cost that hasn't even begun to reach its limits yet. This war is only one of the dividends.

true.. that is another view. equally as valid as mind.

i suppose it all depends on how the current war turns out. either way, i wish the IDF well and hope they are victorious against Hamas.

919 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:50:15pm

ach.. typo - "equally as valid as MINE"...

/missing a "edit" function on LGF comments.

920 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:50:36pm

So, how many billions of dollars worth of improvements do you suppose the IDF will have done in Gaza before it's all said and done?

I estimate the value of land-clearing and lot-leveling (excluding clean-up from demolition) to be at least a couple million today already.

921 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:51:36pm
922 Dave the.....  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:51:47pm

Just a short news item, but most likely Crazy AL Franken wasn't there. Minnesota's US Senate Klobuchar, normally your typical liberal Democrat (She said it was President Bush's fault that the 35W bridge collapsed) put some anti-Israeli types in their place last week. I was very impressed.

923 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:52:02pm

re: #914 buzzdroid

"Black September", 1970
tens of thousands of Palestinians killed by the Jordanian army

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

end result: PLO fled to Lebanon.

Ah, yes, which is OF COURSE why it made sense to slaughter Jews in Munich in 72 in their name. . .///////

924 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:52:04pm

re: #915 Dustyvet

That guys just has to be laughing all the way to the bank.

No, I imagine that if he's sane, he's scared. But if he's sane, he'd have left ages ago. Ergo, he's crazy, and laughs all the way wherever he goes.

925 transient  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:52:18pm

Wow...CNN anchor actually asking valid questions of Saeb Erekat.
He's not answering them, of course.
He is calling for cease-fire, but she is asking how a new c/f is going to be any different (from Israel's perspective).
Erekat of course wants monitors (which, as she points out, Hamas has rejected).

Everyone wants monitors.
You mean like the ones in Lebanon? That watch while Hamas rearms and builds new bunkers? No thank you.

926 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:52:41pm

re: #923 DisturbedEma

Ah, yes, which is OF COURSE why it made sense to slaughter Jews in Munich in 72 in their name. . .///////

They don't need a reason, they don't have a reason; they're not reasonable.

927 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:52:42pm

re: #916 jamgarr

He has to bake his bread in a primitive oven!

What was the name of that toy, little girls used to play with, you could bake things with a 60 watt light bulb?

928 jamgarr  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:52:51pm

The risk of choosing to engage in asymmetric warfare is that the reason it is called asymmetric is that one side has overwhelming force and the asymmetry may fall on you hard.

929 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:53:13pm

re: #927 Dustyvet

What was the name of that toy, little girls used to play with, you could bake things with a 60 watt light bulb?

EZ bake, wasn't it?

930 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:53:22pm

re: #914 buzzdroid

King Hussein knew how to deal with those, uhhmm people.

931 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:53:42pm

re: #925 transient

Wow...CNN anchor actually asking valid questions of Saeb Erekat.
He's not answering them, of course.
He is calling for cease-fire, but she is asking how a new c/f is going to be any different (from Israel's perspective).
Erekat of course wants monitors (which, as she points out, Hamas has rejected).

Everyone wants monitors.
You mean like the ones in Lebanon? That watch while Hamas rearms and builds new bunkers? No thank you.

Sounds like a job opening up at CNN. . .

932 jamgarr  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:53:50pm

re: #927 Dustyvet

What was the name of that toy, little girls used to play with, you could bake things with a 60 watt light bulb?


EZ Launch?

933 Dustyvet  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:54:06pm

re: #929 Guanxi88

EZ bake, wasn't it?

That's what i thought, thank you...:) have a ding up...:)

934 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:54:08pm

re: #923 DisturbedEma

Ah, yes, which is OF COURSE why it made sense to slaughter Jews in Munich in 72 in their name. . .///////

of course.. such is the logic of the crazed terrorist.

it was the "zionist conspiracy" that controlled the Jordanian army , ya know.
gotta kill the Joooos cos they control the world.

935 Venflon  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:54:17pm

Wow that was fast, I've been released for 2 months and just got called for reserves.
I'll try to visit here from my mobile but last time I tried it didn't like them threads with 900+ comments. (charles please make a mobile friendly version :D)
Nice meeting you all, hope to be back soon.

936 irish rose  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:54:26pm

It's about damned time.

937 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:54:28pm

re: #929 Guanxi88

EZ bake, wasn't it?

Not that I'm a girl, you understand, but I remember those all the same.

938 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:55:13pm

re: #935 Venflon

Best wishes!

939 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:55:46pm

re: #935 Venflon

Wow that was fast, I've been released for 2 months and just got called for reserves.
I'll try to visit here from my mobile but last time I tried it didn't like them threads with 900+ comments. (charles please make a mobile friendly version :D)
Nice meeting you all, hope to be back soon.

Be safe, and blessings to you for your service.

940 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:56:08pm

re: #926 Guanxi88

They don't need a reason, they don't have a reason; they're not reasonable.

What I was being sarcastic about was their slaughter of Jews, using the name of an Arab terrorist group that was attacked and run out of Jordan. . .by Arabs. . .I know there is no reason to be had with terrorists. . .

941 Earth56  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:56:10pm

re: #927 Dustyvet

What was the name of that toy, little girls used to play with, you could bake things with a 60 watt light bulb?


Susie something if my mind still has batterys in them

942 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:56:17pm

re: #734 least

Today, we listened to a speaker who's lived in Israel for years.
Said that one of the tactics employed by Israeli-Arabs was to take over Christian homes, establish a sniper position and snipe at IDF troops.
The IDF would respond by blowing the crap out of the location where hostile fire was coming from.
Then the "militants" would point out to anyone who'd listen [ MSM ] how the eeeeeevil joooooooz were blowing up Christian homes.

Imagine the reporting that'll result from this.

Sounds about par for the course--the Christians get it in the neck a lot, those who haven't bailed out for foreign parts--but if you're using Israeli-Arabs as a synonym for Palestinians here, please don't. Israeli Arabs have Israeli citizenship, many of them serve in the IDF, and their record in a really unpleasant situation has been darn decent.

Just sayin'

943 2senseplain  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:56:35pm

re: #912 transient

Maybe not. The 2 cabinet members that abstained from the vote to go in, Ramon and Yishai, abstained because they couldn't get the others to commit to toppling Hamas as a stated goal. Unfortunately, their abstension is only being reported(except in Arutz Sheva)without their reasoning.

944 Lynn B.  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:56:40pm

re: #918 buzzdroid

true.. that is another view. equally as valid as mine.

i suppose it all depends on how the current war turns out. either way, i wish the IDF well and hope they are victorious against Hamas.

Thanks. Sorry. I tend to get a little overheated on that subject. I can't imagine what outcome (short of that mythical real peace) could compensate for all the lives ruined by the expulsion and the added misery that the residents of the western Negev have been enduring ever since.

945 transient  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:56:59pm

Excerpt from Brotherhood of Warriors, about the Israeli special ops unit Duvdevan:

Duvdevan...literally means "cherry." [T]here is a species of cherry in the Holy Land that looks no different from the edible variety but which packs a strong and often lethal poison. As a Special Forces unit operating undercover disguised as Palestinian men and women, Duvdevan is the "cherry" that may look harmless but often proves deadly.

Heh.

GO IDF!

946 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:57:06pm

re: #935 Venflon

Wow that was fast, I've been released for 2 months and just got called for reserves.
I'll try to visit here from my mobile but last time I tried it didn't like them threads with 900+ comments. (charles please make a mobile friendly version :D)
Nice meeting you all, hope to be back soon.

Thanks for answering the call- I will keep you in my thoughts. . .and prayers

947 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:57:06pm

re: #940 DisturbedEma

What I was being sarcastic about was their slaughter of Jews, using the name of an Arab terrorist group that was attacked and run out of Jordan. . .by Arabs. . .I know there is no reason to be had with terrorists. . .

Well, obviously, I took the sarc as a given. Funny thing, even when Arab kills Arab, they turn around and kill a Jew in retribution.

948 Earth56  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:57:21pm

re: #935 Venflon

Wow that was fast, I've been released for 2 months and just got called for reserves.
I'll try to visit here from my mobile but last time I tried it didn't like them threads with 900+ comments. (charles please make a mobile friendly version :D)
Nice meeting you all, hope to be back soon.

Stay safe and I'll see you in Israel this Wednesday

949 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:57:41pm

and the other two massacres of Palestinians were the Shabila and Shatila massacres - in Lebanon.

one done by Druze milita, the other by Christian militia.

neither by the IDF.

moonbats just love blaming those one on the Joooos...

(cos they control the world ya know...)

950 greenmiler  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:57:54pm

be safe Venflon..God Bless the IDF

951 Sifty  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:58:19pm

All your Juice are belong to Hamas.

952 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:58:28pm

re: #935 Venflon

Wow that was fast, I've been released for 2 months and just got called for reserves.
I'll try to visit here from my mobile but last time I tried it didn't like them threads with 900+ comments. (charles please make a mobile friendly version :D)
Nice meeting you all, hope to be back soon.

We'll save you a spot here, and the first round's on me.

953 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:58:48pm

re: #947 Guanxi88

Well, obviously, I took the sarc as a given. Funny thing, even when Arab kills Arab, they turn around and kill a Jew in retribution.

EXACTLY- and no one notices it or comments on it. . .it is just a given. . .us Jews have it coming, end of story, nothing more to see here. . .

954 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:58:52pm

re: #936 irish rose

It's about damned time.

hey hello - fellow irish person here!

nice to see an irish lizard on here who hasnt drunk the Pallywood kool-aid.

( ireland is just SOOOOO totally anti-israel... you think britain is bad - try ireland...)

955 descolada9  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:58:55pm

Best of luck to the IDF and may they all come home again. It would be nice if this operation finally puts Hamas out of action. And should Israel succeed in putting at end to the terorrist organization, it will give Israel leverage to pursue two-state peace talks with Fatah on Israel's terms. It might also keep Syria and Hezb'allah in place, but don't forget the MiG's that Russia just gave Lebanon.

956 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:59:12pm

re: #952 Guanxi88

We'll save you a spot here, and the first round's on me.

I got the second round!

957 Earth56  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:59:16pm

re: #951 Sifty

All your Juice are belong to Hamas.


You know ..I saw some Juice at the Tropicana last week

958 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:59:54pm

re: #761 Dustyvet

Oh thanks, I had forgot that one.

Farfour (of blessed memory/) was the mouse, Nahoul is the bee. Please keep your Hamas characters straight, people.

The fact that I know this is even more disturbing than the fact that I can identify all four Teletubbies by name, color and antenna shape, and remember all the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

959 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:00:34pm

re: #902 ploome hineni

Not working for me - but I get the Beeb, natch!, although not from your link.

960 Earth56  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:00:52pm

re: #954 buzzdroid

hey hello - fellow irish person here!

nice to see an irish lizard on here who hasnt drunk the Pallywood kool-aid.

( ireland is just SOOOOO totally anti-israel... you think britain is bad - try ireland...)


Really..whats with that as I love the Irish and anything Celtic

Love the Brogue


Can I marry you ?

961 greenmiler  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:01:36pm
962 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:01:44pm

re: #947 Guanxi88

Well, obviously, I took the sarc as a given. Funny thing, even when Arab kills Arab, they turn around and kill a Jew in retribution.

terrorist logic : King Hussein killed tens of thousand of us = therefore he is part of the Zionist World Conspiracy.

i'm serious - even as a Jordanian secret policeman is pulling the nails from their fingers, they'll be blaming the Jews for it.

terrorist death cults work that way. there is no logic to them.

963 jamgarr  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:01:54pm

re: #958 SanFranciscoZionist

and remember all the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

Naw! You're just well-versed in Renaissance artists!

964 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:02:38pm

re: #954 buzzdroid

hey hello - fellow irish person here!

nice to see an irish lizard on here who hasnt drunk the Pallywood kool-aid.

( ireland is just SOOOOO totally anti-israel... you think britain is bad - try ireland...)

I was there in 2005- for research, looking in Belfast for post Troubles changes and such. . .noticed QUITE a few pro Pal/anti Israel murals. . .comparing IRA with terrorists. My host shuddered when I said that out loud almost crying " For the love of G-d Las thing in this world we are needing is to throw in with THAT lot!" He was very cold to the connections made between IRA and Hamas. . .

965 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:02:44pm

re: #960 Earth56

Really..whats with that as I love the Irish and anything Celtic

Love the Brogue

Can I marry you ?

sorry, gorgeous Brit girl has got me first.

second kid on the way.

Sorry!
/blushes with the attention... thanks for the compliment.

966 Joo-LiZ  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:02:49pm

re: #962 buzzdroid

terrorist logic : King Hussein killed tens of thousand of us = therefore he is part of the Zionist World Conspiracy.

i'm serious - even as a Jordanian secret policeman is pulling the nails from their fingers, they'll be blaming the Jews for it.

terrorist death cults work that way. there is no logic to them.

Of course... "The Jew made him do it! If not for the Jew, Arabs would love Arabs!"

967 yma o hyd  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:03:29pm

re: #935 Venflon

Take care, {venflon} - not just of yourself, but of those to whom you have to attend.
I pray it may be not many at all!
God bless you all.

968 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:03:35pm

re: #953 DisturbedEma

EXACTLY- and no one notices it or comments on it. . .it is just a given. . .us Jews have it coming, end of story, nothing more to see here. . .

You see, when I was a kid, I though pa was kinda weird, kinda paranoid. "Just wait," he'd say, talking about what he saw in the war and about the Shoah," they'll try that crap again somewhere. Who knows? maybe even here before it's all said and done."

Well, Pa don't sound so paranoid here lately. Frankly, I never thought I'd live to see the day when open hatred of Jews in general and zionists in particular would become not only socially acceptable, but even chic, and, in some otherwise respectable circles, almost the price of admission. And this here in the states.

Some weeks back, I saw a guy, right here in a residential area in Austin, walking around with a "death to zionism" t-shirt. Guy was definitely your average white guy - no hint of the levant or South Asia on his face - and it just floored me. Here, in America, in my town, I've got some idiot walking around like that.

969 Opinionated  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:03:53pm

I knew the author when we were teenagers. He has moved significantly Left of his then uncompromising Rightist views. Still this is a very impressive piece which is an answer to anyone as to why Israel is today in Gaza and why there is helplessness when dealing with barbarians and an unsympathetic World.

As My Son Goes to War, I Am Fully Israeli At Last

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

970 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:03:56pm

re: #956 DisturbedEma

I got the second round!

Ah, hell! We'll just open a tab for the hero!

971 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:04:34pm

re: #970 Guanxi88

Ah, hell! We'll just open a tab for the hero!

Pass the hat the next day, and call it done.

972 solomonpanting  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:05:42pm

re: #958 SanFranciscoZionist

Farfour (of blessed memory/) was the mouse

Was he done in by an Israeli Mickey Mosque Club bashing?

973 sevoguy  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:06:50pm

Just call this a hunch: Now is a good time to bomb Iranian nuke facilities while the entire IDF is mobilized. Yah think?

The GOD of the Christains and Jews protect the Israeli army during this battle against the ARMY OF SATAN. May the Lord God strick down the clerics and imans of Satans army.

974 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:07:05pm

re: #968 Guanxi88

You see, when I was a kid, I though pa was kinda weird, kinda paranoid. "Just wait," he'd say, talking about what he saw in the war and about the Shoah," they'll try that crap again somewhere. Who knows? maybe even here before it's all said and done."

Well, Pa don't sound so paranoid here lately. Frankly, I never thought I'd live to see the day when open hatred of Jews in general and zionists in particular would become not only socially acceptable, but even chic, and, in some otherwise respectable circles, almost the price of admission. And this here in the states.

Some weeks back, I saw a guy, right here in a residential area in Austin, walking around with a "death to zionism" t-shirt. Guy was definitely your average white guy - no hint of the levant or South Asia on his face - and it just floored me. Here, in America, in my town, I've got some idiot walking around like that.

I am totally the opposite; my dad was a first gen American. . .from the Ukraine. . .the stories I heard growing up were beyond horrible. . .and I was raised to believe that no matter how well I assimulated, I would ALWAYS be a Jew first, even here.

My department had the full deranged asshole super sized kit- posters, pictures, tons of literature. . .1933 all over again!

975 Earth56  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:07:36pm

re: #965 buzzdroid

sorry, gorgeous Brit girl has got me first.

second kid on the way.

Sorry!
/blushes with the attention... thanks for the compliment.

congrats on the expected baby

Mazol Tov !

976 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:07:43pm

re: #970 Guanxi88

Ah, hell! We'll just open a tab for the hero!

Done!

977 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:08:29pm

re: #964 DisturbedEma

I was there in 2005- for research, looking in Belfast for post Troubles changes and such. . .noticed QUITE a few pro Pal/anti Israel murals. . .comparing IRA with terrorists. My host shuddered when I said that out loud almost crying " For the love of G-d Las thing in this world we are needing is to throw in with THAT lot!" He was very cold to the connections made between IRA and Hamas. . .

dates back to the PLO times... IRA guys got arms training and armaments from the likes of Libya.

to be fair , the PLO was originally just a socialist, nationalist kind of organisation - like the Ba'ath Party in Syria and Iraq... and had no truck with Islamist influences. So that "fighting for our homeland" propaganda kind of influenced the IRA guys.. they got sucked into it.

there was an anti-jewish element in the background, but it never really came to to fore , as blatantly as what Hamas was.

Hamas is a different thing entirely - thats Iranian backed and influenced, rather than Arab influenced - which is Fatah/PLO.

but yeah - in Belfast nowadays you have PLO flags in IRA areas, and Israeli flags in Unionist areas.

i think the Israeli flags are meant to more annoy the IRA side than anything truely pro-Israel.

978 transient  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:09:09pm

re: #935 Venflon

hatzlacha!
Best of luck.

B're: #943 2senseplain

Maybe not. The 2 cabinet members that abstained from the vote to go in, Ramon and Yishai, abstained because they couldn't get the others to commit to toppling Hamas as a stated goal. Unfortunately, their abstension is only being reported(except in Arutz Sheva)without their reasoning.

There can be no return to the status quo ante. Hamas cannot survive as a political force to pop out of its bunkers and claim that "I survived, therefore I win!" like Hizballah did. I think Israel understands that. It may be that the cabinet did not want to commit to a definite political objective for the record.

The only objective short of elimination of Hamas as a political force is to cripple them so severely they will understand they cannot continue as they have done. They can continue to shout and whine (and rearm), but they will be quiet, much as Hizballah has done in Lebanon. It's a less satisfactory solution, because it's only temporary, but it's better than having your communities pounded on a daily basis.

979 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:09:51pm

re: #977 buzzdroid

dates back to the PLO times... IRA guys got arms training and armaments from the likes of Libya.

to be fair , the PLO was originally just a socialist, nationalist kind of organisation - like the Ba'ath Party in Syria and Iraq... and had no truck with Islamist influences. So that "fighting for our homeland" propaganda kind of influenced the IRA guys.. they got sucked into it.

there was an anti-jewish element in the background, but it never really came to to fore , as blatantly as what Hamas was.

Hamas is a different thing entirely - thats Iranian backed and influenced, rather than Arab influenced - which is Fatah/PLO.

but yeah - in Belfast nowadays you have PLO flags in IRA areas, and Israeli flags in Unionist areas.

i think the Israeli flags are meant to more annoy the IRA side than anything truely pro-Israel.

I liked the Loyalist taxis best. . .:)

980 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:10:13pm

re: #975 Earth56

congrats on the expected baby

Mazol Tov !

thank you!
although, attention should be with Israeli families right now, with their sons and daughters in the IDF. God bless them, and may their sons and daughters return home safely.

981 NY Nana  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:10:14pm

re: #898 buzzdroid

There were, as when there is any disaster, a group of Orthodox volunteers, who will go on the Sabbath, even on Yom Kippur, to any place they are needed. They are called ZAKA.

They have been seen doing their service on many videos, including theirs. They show a caring and respect for the Jewish victims, and treat the bodies the same. I will not go into the details of what they do. I am a retired RN...

And I am a proud Jew. The Israeli girl who posted the video posted it today, and IMHO she was right. it is time that Israel, which has been beseiged all these years gets the world to see just what it is like, and what the arabs do, as if it were there profession.

I was 10 years old when the modern State of israel was 'allowed' to exist, and want to see an Israel free of this constant terror, and there is no better way than to actually see it. I will bet that a number of Orthodox Jews would agree.

AM YISROEL CHAI!

982 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:10:41pm

re: #980 buzzdroid

thank you!
although, attention should be with Israeli families right now, with their sons and daughters in the IDF. God bless them, and may their sons and daughters return home safely.

Amen!

983 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:10:52pm

re: #818 buzzdroid

/note to moonbats : how come you dont know about the levelling of the city of Hama?

Because, like, well, I don't know what happened there, or what, you know, the underlying causes or motivations might have been, and, like, I wouldn't want to pass judgement without knowing more about the, you know, situation, and making sure I wasn't imposing Western ideas on it, and passing judgement without totally getting the whole situation, like white people from the West do. And, like, honestly, it doesn't interest me all that much, even though I know it should, because, like, I should know the history of all the indigenous parts of the world, because, like, so many white people just don't, and they don't care.

But, I know all about Gaza. And Deir Yassin. And Sabra and Shatila. I know about those places, and like no one in the West does, because they, like accept whatever they see on Fox News. And like, six times as many people died at those places at the hands of the white, U.S. backed, Zionist oppressors as did in that other place, whatever it was called.

Free, free Palestine!

//Please, good people, DO NOT CORRECT ME! I AM BEING SARCASTIC! SARCASTIC! SOME OF Y'ALL AROUND HERE ARE NOT SO GOOD PICKING THIS UP! SARCASM!//////////

984 Earth56  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:11:18pm

re: #980 buzzdroid

thank you!
although, attention should be with Israeli families right now, with their sons and daughters in the IDF. God bless them, and may their sons and daughters return home safely.


exactly !

985 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:11:18pm

re: #974 DisturbedEma

I am totally the opposite; my dad was a first gen American. . .from the Ukraine. . .the stories I heard growing up were beyond horrible. . .and I was raised to believe that no matter how well I assimulated, I would ALWAYS be a Jew first, even here.

My department had the full deranged asshole super sized kit- posters, pictures, tons of literature. . .1933 all over again!

Pa was born and raised here, in the Golden Land, son of immigrants from Poland by way of Germany. He always taught his kids, who taught their grandkids (that's me, among others) that this was the best place in the world for Jews, that we owe everything we have to America, and that we are Americans first and foremost, even if some of our countrymen don't like it.

He was, however, very wary, and was prone to saying that if it could happen in Germany, it could happen anywhere, and would certainly happen again if people let it.

What I see here lately is simply appalling, and looks to be nowhere near the end, either.

986 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:11:41pm

re: #981 NY Nana

There were, as when there is any disaster, a group of Orthodox volunteers, who will go on the Sabbath, even on Yom Kippur, to any place they are needed. They are called ZAKA.

They have been seen doing their service on many videos, including theirs. They show a caring and respect for the Jewish victims, and treat the bodies the same. I will not go into the details of what they do. I am a retired RN...

And I am a proud Jew. The Israeli girl who posted the video posted it today, and IMHO she was right. it is time that Israel, which has been beseiged all these years gets the world to see just what it is like, and what the arabs do, as if it were there profession.

I was 10 years old when the modern State of israel was 'allowed' to exist, and want to see an Israel free of this constant terror, and there is no better way than to actually see it. I will bet that a number of Orthodox Jews would agree.

AM YISROEL CHAI!

HaTikvah!

987 FrogMarch  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:12:12pm

re: #477 Walter L. Newton

Yes, Sky News another Murdock outlet. Feh.

quick - get Murdoch on the phone. Tell him to stop it.

988 Lynn B.  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:12:13pm

re: #961 greenmiler

What Israel Gave Up or Gaza Before Hamas Turned it into a Shithole

Yes. Wow. Amazing. Thank you.

This was my home...

A real tearjerker.

989 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:12:59pm

re: #983 SanFranciscoZionist

I know you are being sarcastic but I am SO SICK OF THE FREE PALESTINE CRAP!

990 Earth56  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:13:29pm

re: #983 SanFranciscoZionist


Sounds close to how some lawyers I've known do their talking

991 Gang of One  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:13:40pm

re: #935 Venflon

Wow that was fast, I've been released for 2 months and just got called for reserves.
I'll try to visit here from my mobile but last time I tried it didn't like them threads with 900+ comments. (charles please make a mobile friendly version :D)
Nice meeting you all, hope to be back soon.

Godspeed, Ven. Come home safely to those who love you.

992 VioletTiger  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:14:06pm

Sending prayers for the IDF and all of Israel.

Get ALL the terrorists.

993 transient  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:14:43pm

Wow...CNN anchor now asking Hanan Ashrawi "how do you stop the [Hamas] rockets...that would seem to be the first step..."

Ashrawi proceeds to spew utter lies...Hamas observed the ceasefire...Israel broke the ceasefire...Israel is the occupying power. Universities and mosques and homes are being targeted...

She challenges Ashrawi a little, does say that Israel says there were weapons in those sites. But media can't really deal with a persistent spokesperson. But I'm wondering what the background of this anchor is.

994 Earth56  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:15:27pm

re: #989 DisturbedEma

I know you are being sarcastic but I am SO SICK OF THE FREE PALESTINE CRAP!


Ever look into their eyes ?
Talk about science fiction !

995 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:16:46pm

re: #927 Dustyvet

What was the name of that toy, little girls used to play with, you could bake things with a 60 watt light bulb?

I had one of those, mine was a Holly Hobbie oven, but I think there was another brand as well.

996 NY Nana  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:17:44pm

re: #935 Venflon

Chazak!

997 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:18:06pm

re: #994 Earth56

Ever look into their eyes ?
Talk about science fiction !

Yeah- wearing a IDF forces tee shirt and a Magen David necklace. . .rabid unrestrained hate. . .that was the Israeli Independence Day Rally in 1998. . .I was 8 months pregnant and they threw rocks at us at the University union. . .

998 Earth56  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:18:48pm

Arabs are having a special meeting at the UN shortly


ooh !

999 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:19:01pm

re: #995 SanFranciscoZionist

I had one of those, mine was a Holly Hobbie oven, but I think there was another brand as well.

my daughters had ez bake, it was recalled last year or so. . .

1000 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:19:20pm

re: #998 Earth56

Arabs are having a special meeting at the UN shortly

How can you tell it's a special meeting? I thought they lived there?

1001 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:19:39pm

re: #998 Earth56

Arabs are having a special meeting at thetheir UN shortly


ooh !


Fixed

1002 Earth56  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:19:55pm

re: #997 DisturbedEma

Yeah- wearing a IDF forces tee shirt and a Magen David necklace. . .rabid unrestrained hate. . .that was the Israeli Independence Day Rally in 1998. . .I was 8 months pregnant and they threw rocks at us at the University union. . .


Don't forget that they are the ones that are "Progressive "

sarc/off

1003 rafi  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:20:22pm

live updates from israel (hebrew). video during broadcast hours, radio at night...

http://s20wm.castup.net/990310010-52.wmv

enjoy

1004 SueG  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:20:28pm

Dutch parliament member Harry van Bommel (Socialist Party) calls for intifada against Israel during anti-Israel / pro Gaza, pro Hamas, pro Hezbollah demonstration in Amsterdam.
January 3rd, 2008

1005 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:20:28pm

How fucking stupid are the MSM talking heads? Every single Israeli spokesman they interview is asked the same schtoopid question, "exactly how many more days will this last?" They all answer, there is no fixed timeline, we're trying to accomplish goals, not a timeline. Then the next Israeli spokesman is asked, "how many days will this last?" Imbeciles.

1006 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:20:49pm

re: #981 NY Nana

ok - fair enough.. as a gentile i maybe should not be making statements on the Jewish religion.

if you guys want to do this - then fair enough. and i will support you.

however, i still think it is morally the wrong thing to do - it could spiral into islamic death videos versus jewish death videos.

its a dangerous game to do that. and it might backfire.

but you folks know better, are directly affected, and i respect your decisions on this.

1007 Earth56  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:21:08pm

re: #1000 Guanxi88

How can you tell it's a special meeting? I thought they lived there?

When I drove underneath it on the FDR drive I noticed a certain smell

1008 Gang of One  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:21:14pm

re: #983 SanFranciscoZionist

Sarc is loud and clear. Boy, you got them down to a tee.

1009 NY Nana  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:21:36pm

re: #986 DisturbedEma

HaTikvah!

1010 Earth56  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:22:41pm

re: #1005 Occasional Reader

How fucking stupid are the MSM talking heads? Every single Israeli spokesman they interview is asked the same schtoopid question, "exactly how many more days will this last?" They all answer, there is no fixed timeline, we're trying to accomplish goals, not a timeline. Then the next Israeli spokesman is asked, "how many days will this last?" Imbeciles.


You mean like when they interview a mother who has just lost her son and ask the mother

" how are you feeling ? "

1011 Gang of One  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:22:53pm

re: #992 VioletTiger

Sending prayers for the IDF and all of Israel.

Get ALL the terrorists.

And their enablers.

/one can dream ...

1012 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:24:09pm

re: #1002 Earth56

Don't forget that they are the ones that are "Progressive "

sarc/off

Well, we were the ones who had a permit. . .Tagar was our group, GUPS was the other group. . .and WE were the ones being accused of incitement! Our group no longer exists there. . .too "provocative" hold Pro Israeli activities and offering "balance" to the 3 day long hatefest called Arab awareness. . .we wore tee shirts that said "WARNING- EXTREME ZIONISM anitsemites be warned the wearer of this tee shirt is a staunch supporter of the Jewish state and its rights" yeah, we were really off the charts on the provocometer. . ./////

1013 LC LaWedgie  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:24:24pm

re: #1005 Occasional Reader

CNN needs to get Heidi von Hamas on there to get down to the real, hard-nosed, truth-to-power interviews.

1014 under the whip  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:25:04pm

re: #983 SanFranciscoZionist

Researchers at the University of New South Wales found that patients under the age of 65 suffering from frontotemporal dementia, the second most common form of dementia,

cannot detect when someone is being sarcastic

(No offence to anyone with dementia.)

1015 solomonpanting  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:25:33pm

Israel's goal should be:

Jamas Hamas Again

Jamas, pronounced like Hamas, is Spanish for never.

1016 Joo-LiZ  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:26:12pm

re: #983 SanFranciscoZionist

Because, like, well, I don't know what happened there, or what, you know, the underlying causes or motivations might have been, and, like, I wouldn't want to pass judgement without knowing more about the, you know, situation, and making sure I wasn't imposing Western ideas on it, and passing judgement without totally getting the whole situation, like white people from the West do. And, like, honestly, it doesn't interest me all that much, even though I know it should, because, like, I should know the history of all the indigenous parts of the world, because, like, so many white people just don't, and they don't care.

But, I know all about Gaza. And Deir Yassin. And Sabra and Shatila. I know about those places, and like no one in the West does, because they, like accept whatever they see on Fox News. And like, six times as many people died at those places at the hands of the white, U.S. backed, Zionist oppressors as did in that other place, whatever it was called.

Free, free Palestine!

//Please, good people, DO NOT CORRECT ME! I AM BEING SARCASTIC! SARCASTIC! SOME OF Y'ALL AROUND HERE ARE NOT SO GOOD PICKING THIS UP! SARCASM!//////////

That was dead on, being from sanfransisco, I'm sure this could easily be a direct quote from something you've heard... :p

1017 under the whip  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:26:20pm
1018 Earth56  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:26:27pm

re: #1012 DisturbedEma

Well, we were the ones who had a permit. . .Tagar was our group, GUPS was the other group. . .and WE were the ones being accused of incitement! Our group no longer exists there. . .too "provocative" hold Pro Israeli activities and offering "balance" to the 3 day long hatefest called Arab awareness. . .we wore tee shirts that said "WARNING- EXTREME ZIONISM anitsemites be warned the wearer of this tee shirt is a staunch supporter of the Jewish state and its rights" yeah, we were really off the charts on the provocometer. . ./////


good for you !

I would of become more militant myself

1019 DisturbedEma  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:26:28pm

re: #1010 Earth56

You mean like when they interview a mother who has just lost her son and ask the mother

" how are you feeling ? "

or Geraldo's sand map. . .

1020 buzzdroid  Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:27:30pm

re: #981 NY Nana

There were, as when there is any disaster, a group of Orthodox volunteers, who will go on the Sabbath, even on Yom Kippur, to any place they are needed. They are called ZAKA.

They have been seen doing their service on many videos, including theirs. They show a caring and respect for the Jewish victims, and treat the bodies the same. I will not go into the details of what they do. I am a retired RN...

And I am a proud Jew. The Israeli girl who posted the video posted it today, and IMHO she was right. it is time that Israel, which has been beseiged all these years gets the world to see just what it is like, and what the arabs do, as if it were there profe