The IDF is moving in… that’s the official word, now on the cable news networks.
This day was inevitable, ever since Israel’s withdrawal. Now the IDF are going to have to retake territory that’s been heavily armed and booby-trapped, in a densely packed urban environment.
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Jetpilot1101 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:48:58am |
The idiot reporter on FNC just said he spent a lot of time with Hamas and they have a whole lot of IED's ready for the IDF. Time for a swift kick in the gonads for him.
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Sizzlack Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:48:59am |
It almost makes me think...
'And the IDF receives the handoff, they're at the 40...the 30...the 20...the 10'
yeah...we're at about the 10 now
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itellu3times Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:49:16am |
I guess this is the Obama invasion. I still cannot figure the point, other than as a test and demonstration that they've learned some lessons since Lebanon. And now we will see if they have. My prayers go with them.
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Ayatollah Ghilmeini Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:49:27am |
This is going to be the end of Hamas
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Joo-LiZ Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:49:28am |
Go get 'em, IDF.
Stay safe, but do the job!
Don't give in to international pressure, you are doing the right thing, for Israel, for the Palestinians, and for the world at large.
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akak Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:49:38am |
re: #1 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Godspeed IDF.
abosolutely, won't be walk in the park - shooters hiding behind baby carriages & all.
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Icculus Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:49:48am |
I don't want any talk of ceasing fire this time. Lebanon should be a good lesson that you don't make any gains by being nice in this neighborhood.
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ornery elephant Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:49:49am |
May G_d protect the brave soldiers of the IDF.
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Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:49:56am |
re: #6 Jetpilot1101
The idiot reporter on FNC just said he spent a lot of time with Hamas and they have a whole lot of IED's ready for the IDF. Time for a swift kick in the gonads for him.
Give him a break, he is a good guy. he is very pro israel and is just doing his job.
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Jetpilot1101 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:50:08am |
re: #8 itellu3times
I guess this is the Obama invasion. I still cannot figure the point, other than as a test and demonstration that they've learned some lessons since Lebanon. And now we will see if they have. My prayers go with them.
I'm with you on that one. I hope they learned their lessons and I pray that none of the IDF forces are killed.
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SemperHunden Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:50:21am |
If anyone has become proficient at urban operations, it's the IDF. Good luck to them.
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Jetpilot1101 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:50:38am |
re: #14 Nevergiveup
Give him a break, he is a good guy. he is very pro israel and is just doing his job.
He just sounded a little too enthusiastic.
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MandyManners Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:50:38am |
re: #9 Ayatollah Ghilmeini
This is going to be the end of Hamas
Oh, I hope so. With every fibre of my being, I hope so.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:50:51am |
re: #6 Jetpilot1101
The idiot reporter on FNC just said he spent a lot of time with Hamas and they have a whole lot of IED's ready for the IDF. Time for a swift kick in the gonads for him.
Did he at least mark them on the map for the IDF?
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jwb7605 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:50:53am |
I asked in the previous thread whether Israel has Amphibious Assault Vehicles.
Attacking Hamas from the sea and meeting the "main" force would be a nice change ...
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Randall Gross Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:51:26am |
Go IDF, let us hope this is a full sweep that will gather all weps, leaders, and destroy the terror network infrastructure.
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Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:51:32am |
re: #19 Jetpilot1101
He just sounded a little too enthusiastic.
He is in close proximity to a combat zone -actually with his back to it. I bet he is hyped up!
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Jetpilot1101 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:51:38am |
re: #21 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Did he at least mark them on the map for the IDF?
Let's hope he did so in private.
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itellu3times Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:51:42am |
I expect there are US army observers with them, no telling just when our forces may be in similar situations.
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ArtistaSLO Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:51:49am |
Do well boys! ..God bless em, and keep them safe.
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Crimsonfisted Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:51:55am |
All my prayers, IDF.
May God keep you safe and give you the strength to defeat your enemies.
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yma o hyd Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:52:14am |
Re-post from thread below:
Israellycool is now blogging again - and the Beeb had some images earlier.
There was a three-hour news black-out, and the IDF says they IDF is going to take some of the launch positions from hamassholes in Northern Gaza.
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Jetpilot1101 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:52:28am |
re: #24 Nevergiveup
He is in close proximity to a combat zone -actually with his back to it. I bet he is hyped up!
Fair enough. I just hope he pointed out the positions to the IDF wen he got back.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:52:32am |
Need to go, but one last word:
May God protect the IDF as they fight for their faith and their way of life.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:52:43am |
Do it calm and professional, just like in training.
Godspeed!
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:52:51am |
re: #14 Nevergiveup
Give him a break, he is a good guy. he is very pro israel and is just doing his job.
Well, he was still being stupid with that line. I say we let him off with a SMACK! this time. If he does it again we can revisit the merits of ball-busting.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:53:11am |
re: #18 SemperHunden
If anyone has become proficient at urban operations, it's the IDF. Good luck to them.
I hope so. I went through MOUT training in IOBC with a load of Lebanese (Mid-80's). We tried to ask them some for lesson learned from their experiences in Beruit. They refused to talk to us. Bastards, yet our country was paying for them to get our training.
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Ringo the Gringo Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:53:11am |
May God protect the IDF and the innocent children.
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Manker Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:53:16am |
re: #22 jwb7605
I asked in the previous thread whether Israel has Amphibious Assault Vehicles.
Attacking Hamas from the sea and meeting the "main" force would be a nice change ...
I'd rather hope that the Trophy Tank protection systems have been installed.
But good luck to the soldiers, stay safe, and know that all of Israel is with them.
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itellu3times Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:53:20am |
re: #30 yma o hyd
Re-post from thread below:
Israellycool is now blogging again - and the Beeb had some images earlier.
There was a three-hour news black-out, and the IDF says they IDF is going to take some of the launch positions from hamassholes in Northern Gaza.
But what does that mean - "launch position" can be a back yard, a parking lot, the roof of a hospital.
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marsl Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:53:24am |
All Lizards are now with the IDF.
Good luck to all of them.
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mini_burkha_fan Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:53:40am |
Interesting invading at night. I can't think of a ground assault BEGINNING at nighttime.
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Randall Gross Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:53:43am |
re: #26 itellu3times
I'm hoping so, our forces now have a wealth of experience fighting in "feral cities" that could aid.
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Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:54:10am |
re: #22 jwb7605
I asked in the previous thread whether Israel has Amphibious Assault Vehicles.
Attacking Hamas from the sea and meeting the "main" force would be a nice change ...
Israel has Amphibious capability and could use them for selective strikes. But it would make no sense to wage a large scale amphibious assault. Amphibious assaults are by nature inherently more dangerous. Israel's problem is not the initial assault, but finding and killing the enemy in an urban environment were the enemy is hiding amongst the populace.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:54:12am |
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Sharmuta Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:54:14am |
re: #14 Nevergiveup
Give him a break, he is a good guy. he is very pro israel and is just doing his job.
How do you know that?
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:54:15am |
re: #3 Sharmuta
Dear IDF- don't stop until the mission is complete.
That needs to be said to the Cabinet.
/micro-managing bastards!
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Icculus Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:54:17am |
re: #23 Thanos
Go IDF, let us hope this is a full sweep that will gather all weps, leaders, and destroy the terror network infrastructure.
While that would be fantastic, it would probably require killing thousands of Gazans, and even at that would just be a good start...
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Ojoe Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:54:25am |
I hope in these last weeks we have seen the sea change in the civilized world's attitude toward murdering islam.
Delenda.
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itellu3times Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:54:34am |
re: #43 Thanos
I'm hoping so, our forces now have a wealth of experience fighting in "feral cities" that could aid.
You been reading Niven & Pournelle again?
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CantonJim Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:54:38am |
As a prior military officer I pray they execute their plan flawlessly and with a minimum loss of life on the Israeli side.
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rightymouse Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:54:49am |
May G-d watch over the IDF. This isn't going to be an easy mission.
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Crimsonfisted Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:54:54am |
re: #42 mini_burkha_fan
Interesting invading at night. I can't think of a ground assault BEGINNING at nighttime.
Didn't Moses do the very same? And won?
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Airborn Swine Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:55:05am |
God speed boys...finish the job and come home safely.
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jwb7605 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:55:08am |
re: #37 Manker
I'd rather hope that the Trophy Tank protection systems have been installed.
But good luck to the soldiers, stay safe, and know that all of Israel is with them.
What is that?
... and I hope more than Israel is with them. I know I'm with them.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:55:13am |
re: #42 mini_burkha_fan
Interesting invading at night. I can't think of a ground assault BEGINNING at nighttime.
Modern Western Armies are capable of doing so... 7th Century barbarians can't see at night.
Makes great sense.
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buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:55:14am |
israeli consultate on twitter has also confirmed it - IT'S ON.
Godspeed IDF... fighting for the rest of us , against the barbarians of Islamofascism.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:55:45am |
re: #42 mini_burkha_fan
Interesting invading at night. I can't think of a ground assault BEGINNING at nighttime.
Heh.
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winston06 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:56:00am |
re: #58 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
I think US forces began the OIF at night too (Early Dawn)
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Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:56:22am |
re: #47 Sharmuta
How do you know that?
I have been watching him for years and heard him interviewed by others on his experiences in covering combat situations.
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Jetpilot1101 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:56:33am |
re: #42 mini_burkha_fan
Interesting invading at night. I can't think of a ground assault BEGINNING at nighttime.
NVG's are a wonderful thing. I'm guessing each IDF soldier is equipped with a pair. I'm postulating that 1 out of 1000 Ham-assholes are equipped with a pair. You do the math on who is going to win at night.
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buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:56:39am |
re: #26 itellu3times
I expect there are US army observers with them, no telling just when our forces may be in similar situations.
interesting point. U.S advisers could also be there to give advice , based on experiences in the battle of Fallujah and other urban combat battles in Iraq.
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SemperHunden Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:56:47am |
re: #42 mini_burkha_fan
Interesting invading at night. I can't think of a ground assault BEGINNING at nighttime.
With NVGs, Western armies own the night.
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Salamantis Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:56:52am |
re: #60 MandyManners
I hope Abu Abbas is taking note.
And I hope they find a way to reach into Syria and Lebanon and give Meshaal and Nasrallah the Mugniyeh treatment.
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yma o hyd Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:56:53am |
re: #39 itellu3times
But what does that mean - "launch position" can be a back yard, a parking lot, the roof of a hospital.
Yep.
So be prepared for the usual accusations of Israeli 'massacres', while the 'brave' hamassholes hide, as usual, behind children and women.
Using children and women as living shields is, btw a war crime.
/Not that moonbats will ever recognise that!
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jaunte Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:56:57am |
re: #57 jwb7605
Trophy Tank protection system:
[Link: defense-update.com...]
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albusteve Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:57:13am |
I would like to see all press coverage cease inside Gaza proper and their sevices shit down....seems approriate as there will be some ugly stuff goin down very soon...why does the IDF allow this?
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Randall Gross Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:57:26am |
re: #52 itellu3times
You been reading Niven & Pournelle again?
Actually some moonbat mil/intel analysts from London who stole the concept, without understanding the complex factors that create them.
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Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:57:46am |
re: #72 Sharmuta
How do you know he's pro-Israel?
re: #47 Sharmuta
How do you know that?
I have been watching him for years and heard him interviewed by others on his experiences in covering combat situations.
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Sifty Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:57:49am |
Let the smiting begin.
May they be watched over and come home safely in victory.
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SaneInMN Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:57:56am |
re: #18 SemperHunden
I imagine the Israelis could learn more from the current US military regarding urban combat than the other way around. We have had a lot of experience learning the hard way as of late.
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jwb7605 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:58:29am |
re: #63 winston06
I think US forces began the OIF at night too (Early Dawn)
0400 local time, a bit earlier for some troops, including some SEAL activity.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:58:43am |
re: #66 Jetpilot1101
NVG's are a wonderful thing. I'm guessing each IDF soldier is equipped with a pair. I'm postulating that 1 out of 1000 Ham-assholes are equipped with a pair. You do the math on who is going to win at night.
it's the only time to move
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mini_burkha_fan Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:58:44am |
re: #58 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Yes, Western Armies all have NVGs, but I still can't think of examples of ground invasion at night.
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Manker Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:58:44am |
re: #57 jwb7605
What is that?
... and I hope more than Israel is with them. I know I'm with them.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Basically an automated shot gun that can stop anti-tank weapons (either the advanced missiles, RPGs, or whatever other projectile launched to harm an armored vehicle.)
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Lincolntf Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:59:21am |
re: #73 albusteve
Shielding the media (and the world) from the REAL end results of Islamofascism hasn't worked.
PR is important, but sometimes reality is called for.
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Kragar Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:59:54am |
re: #66 Jetpilot1101
NVG's are a wonderful thing. I'm guessing each IDF soldier is equipped with a pair. I'm postulating that 1 out of 1000 Ham-assholes are equipped with a pair. You do the math on who is going to win at night.
Plus the air and armored support will have NV systems as well. To a modern army, night operations are a bonus not a hindrance
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Dianna Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:59:57am |
re: #19 Jetpilot1101
He just sounded a little too enthusiastic.
He's a reporter, and he's got a relevant story. They get a little mono-focused.
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buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:00:03am |
re: #78 SaneInMN
I imagine the Israelis could learn more from the current US military regarding urban combat than the other way around. We have had a lot of experience learning the hard way as of late.
exactly. The U.S. military has had a TON of hard , tough, urban combat experience in Iraq.. invaluable experience to share with the IDF.
i wouldnt be surprised if there's a few U.S. Iraq veterans going in right now in IDF uniforms, as advisers...
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:00:06am |
re: #63 winston06
I think US forces began the OIF at night too (Early Dawn)
Just prior to twilight dates back hundreds of years... why armies stand to just before dawn (much to the chagrin of privates everywhere).
Doing it right after it becomes pitch black requires intensive training and some really fancy equipment. For example, the Germans in WW2 (plenty experienced and well trained) were loath to fight at night.
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yma o hyd Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:00:29am |
Prayers for the brave soldiers of the IDF going in.
Compare their bravery to that of the moonbats who 'protest' in front of israeli embassies and think attacking the police is 'brave'.
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Crimsonfisted Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:00:31am |
The houses of three Hamas commanders in #Gaza bombed in the last hour. 8 minutes ago from web
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soccerdad Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:00:58am |
Godspeed IDF.
Does anyone think that Israel's timing has anything to do with our impending change in leadership? (If you don't? Ha -- wake up.)
They are certain that the BHO bus will be on top of them before you know it.
Rain rockets? Reap your rewards!
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Kragar Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:00:59am |
re: #87 Iron Fist
Do we have a pool yet on when the first manufactured "atrocity" al la the "Jenin Massacre" will be reported? I'm sure we won't have long to wait.
Waiting for the first stuffed animal found in the rubble pic
| 93 |
Oh no...Sand People! Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:01:29am |
At this time I would just like to encourage all Lizards to keep an eye on their respective neck of the woods. Since this is a global community and the day's after 'friday' in particular along with what is going on in Gaza, I have a feeling that there is most definitely going to be spillover of terrorism popping up now.
Stay alert.
| 94 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:01:30am |
re: #81 mini_burkha_fan
Yes, Western Armies all have NVGs, but I still can't think of examples of ground invasion at night.
Iraq 2 kicked off at night , didnt it? Shock and awe was at night, followed by jump off by armoured divisions.
also remember the sea landings by british commandos - lots of night vision film showing them firing at an iraqi position.
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Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:01:32am |
Mustafa Barghouti on FOX now. Gagging time.
| 96 |
jemima Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:01:35am |
I hate that brave young men and women sacrifice for political stupidity.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:02:01am |
re: #83 Lincolntf
Shielding the media (and the world) from the REAL end results of Islamofascism hasn't worked.
PR is important, but sometimes reality is called for.
I dont like any media in a combat zone...very little good can come of it...with respect mon...
| 99 |
callahan23 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:02:12am |
All the best luck to the IDF. Godspeed.
May all of our brothers in arms return safely.
And good riddance of the Hamassholes.
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bryantms Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:02:36am |
CNN has some live coverage. Haven't been able to find any others:
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:02:44am |
re: #81 mini_burkha_fan
Yes, Western Armies all have NVGs, but I still can't think of examples of ground invasion at night.
You have to be Western, well-equipped, and expertly trained to pull it off. Otherwise you have the world's greatest CF and a lot of Blue on Blue fires.
| 102 |
_RememberTonyC Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:02:45am |
May God protect the brave IDF soldiers ... our prayers are with them.
| 103 |
MandyManners Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:02:50am |
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buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:02:57am |
re: #93 Oh no...Sand People!
At this time I would just like to encourage all Lizards to keep an eye on their respective neck of the woods. Since this is a global community and the day's after 'friday' in particular along with what is going on in Gaza, I have a feeling that there is most definitely going to be spillover of terrorism popping up now.
Stay alert.
good advice.
and if you have Jewish friends or neighbours, look out for them. i'm sure they can look after themselves of course, but now might be a time to just watch out for them and offer any help.
| 105 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:03:03am |
re: #92 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
Waiting for the first stuffed animal found in the rubble pic
no doubt they are stashed and ready for action!
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notutopia Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:03:28am |
Sweep Hamas, destroy the infrastructure and the evil.
Keep your heads low and your powder dry....
I pray for each IDF soldier's safety and for them to remain strong and courageous.
| 107 |
yma o hyd Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:03:39am |
Beeb reports that helicopters are also involved, machinegun fire has been heard, and sound from naval vessels have also been heard.
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jwb7605 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:04:12am |
re: #82 Manker
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]Basically an automated shot gun that can stop anti-tank weapons (either the advanced missiles, RPGs, or whatever other projectile launched to harm an armored vehicle.)
Absolutely fascinating!
Yup. Hope everything is equipped. Sounds like the most effective solution I've seen.
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MandyManners Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:04:19am |
re: #69 Salamantis
And I hope they find a way to reach into Syria and Lebanon and give Meshaal and Nasrallah the Mugniyeh treatment.
What's that?
| 110 |
bryantms Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:04:26am |
CNN has a Chief Palestinian Negotiator from the West Bank on their internet stream.
Ugh...ridiculous...
| 111 |
bj Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:04:27am |
For the Hebrew speakers amongst us you can hear updates here or get the news in readable English: galgalatz
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SaneInMN Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:04:59am |
re: #96 jemima
It will not be a wasted sacrifice if the IDF seriously curtails the ability of HAMAS to kill Israeli civilians (and any other non-believers, for that matter).
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Quilly Mammoth Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:05:05am |
I don't think this is the big push. The IDF spokewoman is saying that it is to clear the northern parts of Gaza of launching pads.
Meanwhile Hamas just lost another leader, Abu Zakaria al-Jamal.
I expect that the IDf will seal the Northern Border first and then turn towards Egypt with teh house to house roach hunt coming a few days from now.
| 115 |
Jetpilot1101 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:05:08am |
Maybe a solid ground invasion that leads to the dismemberment of Hamas will be the straw that breaks the back of the rest of the populace and they will turn against the terrorists and actually strive for a lasting peace.
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Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:05:13am |
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CapeCoddah Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:05:26am |
Directly from the IDF website, "Second stage of Operation Cast Lead begins"
[Link: dover.idf.il...]
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MandyManners Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:05:42am |
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quickjustice Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:05:49am |
The Israelis tried turning Gaza over to the Palestinians in exchange for international agreements. That failed.
Time to re-occupy the territory, and arrest or kill the Hamas operatives. I'd suggest negotiating with Egypt or Jordan to grant citizenship to Gaza residents, permitting them to depart for Egypt or Jordan.
Will it work? Only if Egypt or Jordan agree.
| 120 |
miguelj Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:06:00am |
They should seize and hold a few of the more thinly-populated parts of Gaza
and not even *discuss* withdrawal till Gilad Shalit is freed.
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Digital Display Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:06:54am |
Erakat is on CNN..what a jerk! This can't be solved by military actions..we have no army, navy ect..He forgot the mention 8 years of rockets.
GO IDF! MAY GOD GIVE YOU STRENGTH TO BECOME VICTORIOUS !
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albusteve Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:06:59am |
re: #114 Quilly Mammoth
I don't think this is the big push. The IDF spokewoman is saying that it is to clear the northern parts of Gaza of launching pads.
Meanwhile Hamas just lost another leader, Abu Zakaria al-Jamal.
I expect that the IDf will seal the Northern Border first and then turn towards Egypt with teh house to house roach hunt coming a few days from now.
I suspect you are exactly right...a slow and cautious movement south to let the population swell at the Philly corridor....
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irongrampa Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:07:09am |
Honestly, I don't want or need a blow by blow account of this.
All I need is a statement that "after X days of fighting, Hamas and affiliates have ceased to exist".
As far as world opinion goes, a rope and urine comes to mind.
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Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:07:09am |
re: #119 quickjustice
The Israelis tried turning Gaza over to the Palestinians in exchange for international agreements. That failed.
Time to re-occupy the territory, and arrest or kill the Hamas operatives. I'd suggest negotiating with Egypt or Jordan to grant citizenship to Gaza residents, permitting them to depart for Egypt or Jordan.
Will it work? Only if Egypt or Jordan agree.
The Cubs will win the World Series before Egypt or Jordan ever agrees to that!
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MandyManners Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:07:37am |
re: #92 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
Waiting for the first stuffed animal found in the rubble pic
Did you see the pristine Santa card in the rubble posted here the other day? Yeah. Santa in Gaza.
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jwb7605 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:08:04am |
re: #119 quickjustice
The Israelis tried turning Gaza over to the Palestinians in exchange for international agreements. That failed.
Time to re-occupy the territory, and arrest or kill the Hamas operatives. I'd suggest negotiating with Egypt or Jordan to grant citizenship to Gaza residents, permitting them to depart for Egypt or Jordan.
Will it work? Only if Egypt or Jordan agree.
Publicly, with as much press coverage as possible.
(Smoke everybody out)
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Salamantis Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:08:11am |
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psyop Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:08:36am |
I wish the IDF well in their mission.
Urban warfare sucks. Especially when (like the U.S.) the soldiers on the ground are taking such extraordinary measures to not harm innocents.
I wish people understood how easy it would be for Israel to absolutely destroy Hamas and their followers if they truly didn't care about causing unnecessary death and destruction. I wish people understood how much restraint is being shown by the IDF and the US Armed Forces in not bringing the full weight of our weaponry to bear.
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MandyManners Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:08:37am |
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Quilly Mammoth Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:08:39am |
Berlin's Holocaust Memorial Vandalized.
Berlin police say vandals have daubed swastikas on some of the slabs that make up the German capital's Holocaust memorial.
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Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:08:54am |
This guy Mustafa is a one horse pony. Same sob story for any question
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MandyManners Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:08:58am |
re: #115 Jetpilot1101
Maybe a solid ground invasion that leads to the dismemberment of Hamas will be the straw that breaks the back of the rest of the populace and they will turn against the terrorists and actually strive for a lasting peace.
That is my fervent hope.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:09:14am |
re: #123 irongrampa
And simple capillary action does not qualify as success.
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bj Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:09:22am |
re: #119 quickjustice
The Israelis tried turning Gaza over to the Palestinians in exchange for international agreements. That failed.
Time to re-occupy the territory, and arrest or kill the Hamas operatives. I'd suggest negotiating with Egypt or Jordan to grant citizenship to Gaza residents, permitting them to depart for Egypt or Jordan.
Will it work? Only if Egypt or Jordan agree.
Israel, per se, doesn't want to "occupy" gaza, she just wants the daily barrage of rockets and missiles to stop and life to become what should be normal with secure borders. Enough is enough. She is cleaning the sewer as it was. I'm tired of the daily booms and whizes and pings those things make and having family hunkered in bomb shelters. Feh!
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:09:22am |
re: #117 CapeCoddah
Directly from the IDF website, "Second stage of Operation Cast Lead begins"
[Link: dover.idf.il...]
Operation Cast Lead?
I like, good name.
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MandyManners Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:09:44am |
re: #116 Nevergiveup
Car bomb goes boom and terrorist goes dead
I don't like car bombs. I'd prefer a bullet between the eyes for them.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:10:10am |
The european scum is taking the streets with anti-israel protests these days, several thousands in several german cities. Saw a sign in a TV report saying "Israel is playing the eternal victim". Utterly disgusting, these idiots deserve to be bombed by Islamists in their lifetime so that their bigotry will be silenced forever.
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vascaino4 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:10:21am |
May the IDF be as strong at wiping out Hamas as the international outcry about operation Cast Lead.
Give 'em hell (and those 72 virgins), guys!
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akak Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:10:36am |
re: #134 bj
Israel, per se, doesn't want to "occupy" gaza, she just wants the daily barrage of rockets and missiles to stop and life to become what should be normal with secure borders. Enough is enough. She is cleaning the sewer as it was. I'm tired of the daily booms and whizes and pings those things make and having family hunkered in bomb shelters. Feh!
That is another problem and it's name is Egypt, right Condi?
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winston06 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:10:51am |
re: #88 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
I think the air cover is a necessary thing in ground combat to happen during the day light but since Hamas has no air assets, it means IDF could go in without much air cover. I want IDF to win
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Salamantis Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:10:52am |
re: #137 MandyManners
I don't like car bombs. I'd prefer a bullet between the eyes for them.
It was poetic justice for the mastermind of the Beirut US Embassy and Marine Barracks truckbombings.
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MandyManners Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:11:18am |
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pat Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:11:25am |
re: #130 Quilly Mammoth
The swastikas are there to imply that native Germans desecrated the Memorial rather than the Muslims who do it on a regular basis. Muslim disinformation designed to show that Jews are causing civil unrest.
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Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:11:37am |
re: #137 MandyManners
I don't like car bombs. I'd prefer a bullet between the eyes for them.
That is not always possible when the game you are hunting is in the capitol of an enemy.
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quickjustice Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:11:40am |
re: #124 Nevergiveup
As a long-time Yankees fan, I'll start rooting for the Cubbies if that works! The only other strategy is occupation, eventual Israeli-supervised elections for local offices, and partial integration, meaning the Israelis control the infrastructure, local school systems, etc., until the Palestinians are ready for their own state, or for integration into one of the surrounding Arab-majority states.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:11:44am |
re: #138 000G
Germans... anti-Israel... who knew? You'd think traits like that would have come out before... oh wait... nevermind.
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Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:12:01am |
re: #142 Salamantis
It was poetic justice for the mastermind of the Beirut US Embassy and Marine Barracks truckbombings.
Amen
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Jetpilot1101 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:12:38am |
re: #132 MandyManners
That is my fervent hope.
It would only take the Gazans to do this and the rest of the terrorist infrastructure would begin to fall like dominos. Id love to see Gaza go anti-terrorist followed by the West Bank. It won't be easy but a small trickle could turn into a flood that could sweep away large swaths of terrorism away from the civilized world and marginalize radical Islam.
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gmsc Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:12:40am |
I haven't been able to post much here lately, but GO IDF!
This course of action should've been taken a long time ago!
I can't but wonder if Israel realizes that they may not be able to depend on US support under 0bama and the Dem congress, so they're just going ahead with what they need to do.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: The Palestinians are about to realize that, not only did the US support Israel, we also restrained them. Without that restraint, well . . .
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Ford_Prefect Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:12:44am |
Good Afternoon Lizards!
IDF, wishing you a safe return.
Hamas, say hello to Achmed.
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bryantms Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:12:46am |
The Chief Palestinian Negotiator on CNN is getting heated. The anchorwoman keeps pushing that he has no control over Hamas.
It's actually kind of funny because he isn't saying anything.
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yma o hyd Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:12:47am |
Someone reproting for the Beeb from inside gaza, saying that hamassholes can fire rockets from gaza City.
IDF is only about 500m inside Gaza, he said, and there is a curfew on.
Oh - and he is peddling the lies that everybody is starving in Gaza ...
Looks like the hamasholes have been thieving all the tons of food Israel has been seding in during the last week.
Israeli airstikes in the South are continuing.
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MandyManners Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:12:48am |
re: #142 Salamantis
It was poetic justice for the mastermind of the Beirut US Embassy and Marine Barracks truckbombings.
I remembered when I saw his full name.
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SemperHunden Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:12:48am |
I tried watching CNN and FOX, but I couldn't stick around more than a couple minutes because I was getting too angry. I don't want to hear what some Palestinian propagandist has to say, or hear a CNN anchoress say that the ground invasion is what Palestinians want so Israel can get bogged down, or hear anchors in general talk like they have the slightest idea about anything regarding military operations. I'll just stick to the internet for my news.
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ornery elephant Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:12:51am |
From The Muqtada site:
Prayer for the Welfare of Soldiers in the Israel Defense Forces
May He who blessed our fathers Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, bless the soldiers
of the Israel Defense Forces who keep guard over our country and cities of
our Lord from the border with Lebanon to the Egyptian desert and from the
Mediterranean Sea to the approach to the Arava, be they on land, air or sea.May the Almighty deliver us our enemies who arise against us, may the Holy
One, blessed be He, preserve them and save them from all sorrow and peril,
from danger and ill.May He send blessing and success in all their endeavors, may He deliver to
them those who hate us and crown them with salvation and victory, so that
the saying may be fulfilled through them, "For the Lord, your God, who walks
with you and to fight your enemies for you and to save you", and let us say,
Amen.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:12:57am |
re: #141 winston06
I think the air cover is a necessary thing in ground combat to happen during the day light but since Hamas has no air assets, it means IDF could go in without much air cover. I want IDF to win
I'm sure they have plenty of air cover at night, too.
Laser designators work, night or day.
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Abu Boo Boo Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:13:03am |
The IDF must complete all objectives by January 20th.
Good luck IDF!
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:13:37am |
re: #141 winston06
I think the air cover is a necessary thing in ground combat to happen during the day light but since Hamas has no air assets, it means IDF could go in without much air cover. I want IDF to win
Close air support, day and night, saves lives on the ground.
Night vision systems mean that Israeli air is up there as I type this.
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Idle Drifter Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:14:03am |
re: #26 itellu3times
I believe Israel and the US share notes from their various experiences fighting Hezbollah, Hamas, the Mahdi Army, and various other insurgents from Israel to Lebanon to Iraq to Afghanistan. I'm glad the IDF are rolling up their sleeves and getting dirty to clean out that pack of vermin in Gaza. God speed IDF.
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AuntAcid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:14:04am |
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Joo-LiZ Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:15:00am |
re: #135 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Operation Cast Lead?
I like, good name.
Based on a hannukah song, of a dreidel made of cast lead.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:15:18am |
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Joo-LiZ Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:15:20am |
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:15:37am |
re: #147 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Germans... anti-Israel... who knew? You'd think traits like that would have come out before... oh wait... nevermind.
Yeah, it's not surprising. Still, it's kinda scary. Back in the 70s, the protests against Israeli military action were mostly coordinated by the soviet-sponsored leftist organizations, today the consensus to condemn Israel seems to be broader.
Also: Heh on the down-ding there.
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gmsc Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:15:42am |
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ornery elephant Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:15:43am |
re: #156 ornery elephant
Sorry, that should be "From the Muqata site".
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:15:53am |
re: #163 Joo-LiZ
Based on a hannukah song, of a dreidel made of cast lead.
Even more excellent (My bad, not personally Jewish...).
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Crimsonfisted Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:16:10am |
10,000 more soldiers being called up. #Gaza #GazaWar 2 minutes ago from web
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Jetpilot1101 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:16:22am |
re: #158 Abu Boo Boo
The IDF must complete all objectives by January 20th.
Good luck IDF!
Obama won't be able to affect anything the IDF does. He isn't a friend of Israel and most folks are beginning to realize that. Israel will be condemned by the rest of the world no matter what so adding his voice is just more noise to them. I also don't think he'll have the stomach to cut funding for Israel. Even if HE does, Congress won't because votes for them depend on supporting Israel. Sorry Mr. Obama but you're pretty much screwed on this one.
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SemperHunden Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:16:28am |
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jcm Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:16:32am |
re: #157 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
I'm sure they have plenty of air cover at night, too.
Laser designators work, night or day.
GPS works anytime. No need to lase a target.
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MandyManners Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:17:03am |
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Salamantis Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:17:09am |
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Dianna Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:17:19am |
re: #162 MandyManners
What's an anchoress?
Classically, a female religious who lives in isolation, usually in a small cell, and does not participate in the usual life of her convent.
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MandyManners Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:17:42am |
I wonder if the IDF will have videos of this on Youtube.
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Crimsonfisted Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:17:47am |
re: #171 Jetpilot1101
Obama won't be able to affect anything the IDF does. He isn't a friend of Israel and most folks are beginning to realize that. Israel will be condemned by the rest of the world no matter what so adding his voice is just more noise to them. I also don't think he'll have the stomach to cut funding for Israel. Even if HE does, Congress won't because votes for them depend on supporting Israel. Sorry Mr. Obama but you're pretty much screwed on this one.
From your keyboard to God's ears. Let's hope he is screwed on more issues than this one.
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jonbenjon Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:17:55am |
Man - it's quite the sound show going on. Lot's of booms, automated weapons fire, helicopters......
One thing that is interesting is the almost total lack of return fire coming our way.
We had one red alert earlier around 5:00 pm or so, and nothing since. I really had been expecting them to light off as much as they could once to troops went in (use it or lose it)
G-d bless our boys and girls in the IDF and preserve them from harm.
And most importantly, let's kick some @ss!
John - 6 kilometers due east of Gaza
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:18:10am |
re: #162 MandyManners
What's an anchoress?
During the Middle Ages, it meant a holy woman residing in a cell in a church. (Julian of Norwich)
/I'm sure that's more than you wanted to know, but couldn't resist .. :D
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rwmofo Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:18:44am |
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Randall Gross Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:18:58am |
Shit, work has called again, problems again at the worst time. The past three days haven't been real pleasant here. I'll try to keep up with this in the background.
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Oh no...Sand People! Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:19:07am |
re: #180 jonbenjon
Man - it's quite the sound show going on. Lot's of booms, automated weapons fire, helicopters......
One thing that is interesting is the almost total lack of return fire coming our way.
We had one red alert earlier around 5:00 pm or so, and nothing since. I really had been expecting them to light off as much as they could once to troops went in (use it or lose it)
G-d bless our boys and girls in the IDF and preserve them from harm.
And most importantly, let's kick some @ss!
John - 6 kilometers due east of Gaza
God Bless. Stay safe. Thank you for the update.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:19:09am |
re: #173 jcm
You kids and your fancy toys.
(Actually, the only problem with GPS is the need to relay the target coords... a grunt with a laser can paint the right house across the street without either knowing the coords or having to transmit or encode them.)
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Dianna Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:19:17am |
re: #182 MandyManners
Didn't mean to drift the thread.
We'd already discussed options and started flaming each other on the previous thread. We're ready to drift.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:19:19am |
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Venflon Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:19:49am |
And now local news are reporting that Olmert has said in a closed meeting with cabinet members that the goal of the ground incursion is to get rid of hamas entirely... It appears we're heading into another occupation of gaza, which makes sense due to the incredible amount of reservists being recruited today.
tsk tsk..
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Randall Gross Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:20:09am |
re: #180 jonbenjon
Man - it's quite the sound show going on. Lot's of booms, automated weapons fire, helicopters......
One thing that is interesting is the almost total lack of return fire coming our way.
We had one red alert earlier around 5:00 pm or so, and nothing since. I really had been expecting them to light off as much as they could once to troops went in (use it or lose it)
G-d bless our boys and girls in the IDF and preserve them from harm.
And most importantly, let's kick some @ss!
John - 6 kilometers due east of Gaza
Watch to the North, watch to the North, any big replies or ripostes will come from there.
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Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:20:16am |
re: #189 Venflon
And now local news are reporting that Olmert has said in a closed meeting with cabinet members that the goal of the ground incursion is to get rid of hamas entirely... It appears we're heading into another occupation of gaza, which makes sense due to the incredible amount of reservists being recruited today.
tsk tsk..
Interesting
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gmsc Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:20:18am |
re: #177 MandyManners
I wonder if the IDF will have videos of this on Youtube.
Yes, for 5 minutes. Then the video will be flagged by the terrorist-supporting robots, and subsequently removed.
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Sharmuta Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:20:31am |
re: #182 MandyManners
Didn't mean to drift the thread.
Thank can happen when not dropping anchor-ess.
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ryannon Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:20:36am |
re: #93 Oh no...Sand People!
At this time I would just like to encourage all Lizards to keep an eye on their respective neck of the woods. Since this is a global community and the day's after 'friday' in particular along with what is going on in Gaza, I have a feeling that there is most definitely going to be spillover of terrorism popping up now.
Stay alert.
Repost from downthread:
In Paris, 20,000 + Pro Pali demonstration degenerates, approximately 200 'uncontrolled elements' attempt to storm Israeli Embassy and are beaten back by riot police. Shops and cars torched, injuries on both sides.
Come what may, we'll always have Paris....
/shit
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albusteve Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:21:05am |
re: #171 Jetpilot1101
Obama won't be able to affect anything the IDF does. He isn't a friend of Israel and most folks are beginning to realize that. Israel will be condemned by the rest of the world no matter what so adding his voice is just more noise to them. I also don't think he'll have the stomach to cut funding for Israel. Even if HE does, Congress won't because votes for them depend on supporting Israel. Sorry Mr. Obama but you're pretty much screwed on this one.
I tend to agree...and there may be fallout from mishandling this and some sort of a domino effect...at least I hope so
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buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:21:12am |
re: #180 jonbenjon
Man - it's quite the sound show going on. Lot's of booms, automated weapons fire, helicopters......
One thing that is interesting is the almost total lack of return fire coming our way.
We had one red alert earlier around 5:00 pm or so, and nothing since. I really had been expecting them to light off as much as they could once to troops went in (use it or lose it)
G-d bless our boys and girls in the IDF and preserve them from harm.
And most importantly, let's kick some @ss!
John - 6 kilometers due east of Gaza
THANKS for the report.
stay in touch - and god bless the IDF!
buzzdroid - in the UK.
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yma o hyd Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:21:16am |
re: #180 jonbenjon
Thank you for your report - and keep safe, as we're praying for the safety of the IDF soldiers, and of all of Israel.
(Erm - just saying that I'm effen proud of what you all and the IDF has been doing in the last week!)
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Desert Dog Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:21:53am |
re: #189 Venflon
And now local news are reporting that Olmert has said in a closed meeting with cabinet members that the goal of the ground incursion is to get rid of hamas entirely... It appears we're heading into another occupation of gaza, which makes sense due to the incredible amount of reservists being recruited today.
tsk tsk..
Let's hope the devils up in the Bekaa Valley and their puppet masters in Tehran don't start getting any ideas in their pointy little heads.
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Jetpilot1101 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:21:58am |
re: #179 Crimsonfisted
From your keyboard to God's ears. Let's hope he is screwed on more issues than this one.
I hope he's screwed on pretty much all of his policies. But if he does get a few of them through, I hope the American people wake up and in two years vote the jacktards out of office. I'm guessing it won't take much more economic pain before normal people are sick and tired of oppressive government and higher taxes. Just look at them trying to raise the gas tax by 50%. Good luck with that one morons, will you never learn?
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:22:12am |
re: #189 Venflon
And now local news are reporting that Olmert has said in a closed meeting with cabinet members that the goal of the ground incursion is to get rid of hamas entirely... It appears we're heading into another occupation of gaza, which makes sense due to the incredible amount of reservists being recruited today.
tsk tsk..
Go all the way, or don't waste the lives on half-measures.
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AuntAcid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:22:59am |
re: #174 MandyManners
I despise esses and ettes and ettas.
Rant over.
rantesse, rantette...hehe
(i hope you can't hit a moving target)
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Digital Display Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:23:06am |
re: #180 jonbenjon
Man - it's quite the sound show going on. Lot's of booms, automated weapons fire, helicopters......
One thing that is interesting is the almost total lack of return fire coming our way.
We had one red alert earlier around 5:00 pm or so, and nothing since. I really had been expecting them to light off as much as they could once to troops went in (use it or lose it)
G-d bless our boys and girls in the IDF and preserve them from harm.
And most importantly, let's kick some @ss!
John - 6 kilometers due east of Gaza
Be safe John..
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Miss Trixie Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:23:12am |
jonbenjon
Thank you for your report - please stay safe!
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Joo-LiZ Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:23:13am |
re: #189 Venflon
And now local news are reporting that Olmert has said in a closed meeting with cabinet members that the goal of the ground incursion is to get rid of hamas entirely... It appears we're heading into another occupation of gaza, which makes sense due to the incredible amount of reservists being recruited today.
tsk tsk..
I'm not convinced an occupation would necessarily look the same way as it did in the past.
If the occupation occurs with the goal of helping the Palestinians, it may not be so bad.
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Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:23:31am |
re: #200 Desert Dog
Let's hope the devils up in the Bekaa Valley and their puppet masters in Tehran don't start getting any ideas in their pointy little heads.
I would be shocked if they did not react.
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buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:23:40am |
MSM reports on IDF "massacre" of Pallywooders , complete with Santa claus cards , Green Helmet Guy and teddy bears in 5...4...3...2....
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:23:48am |
re: #158 Abu Boo Boo
The IDF must complete all objectives by January 20th.
Good luck IDF!
Well, maybe the horse will learn to sing and Obama will have learned and accepted why Israel has to do things like this. Not likely, but I hope so.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:23:55am |
re: #200 Desert Dog
Let's hope the devils up in the Bekaa Valley and their puppet masters in Tehran don't start getting any ideas in their pointy little heads.
They will attack. Sad to say, but they will. Israel must be ready for a wider war.
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Crimsonfisted Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:23:58am |
re: #201 Jetpilot1101
I hope he's screwed on pretty much all of his policies. But if he does get a few of them through, I hope the American people wake up and in two years vote the jacktards out of office. I'm guessing it won't take much more economic pain before normal people are sick and tired of oppressive government and higher taxes. Just look at them trying to raise the gas tax by 50%. Good luck with that one morons, will you never learn?
I hope so. I was encouraged when he was elected and gun sales skyrocketed. Didn't that clue him and his minions in that something was rotten in Washington?
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Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:24:09am |
re: #189 Venflon
I hope and pray that an occupation isn't necessary. A good firm sweeping is what the place needs, but I don't think it would do much good to stick around and try to take care of these folks afterward.
IDF and the political leadership are, if anything, too sensitive to the needs of the civilians in the area of operations though, so I suppose that might be on the agenda after all.
Still, I'll say this for any moonbats out there - with IDF in charge and on the ground, Gaza will be a damned sight cleaner, safer, and better served than when Hamas were running the place. We can expect to see working electricity, infrastructure upgrades, and a sharp decline in the petty thuggery that typified Hamas rule.
May the L-rd bless and keep the IDF and those they protect.
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Dustyvet Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:24:19am |
re: #188 pre-Boomer Marine brat
No problem. We were well anchored.
Moe Howard :Weigh Ancher...
Larry Fine and Curley Howard: About 12 and a half pounds...
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Desert Dog Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:24:30am |
re: #202 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Go all the way, or don't waste the lives on half-measures.
In for a penny, in for a pound....If Olmert announces that as his goal and then stops short...he will have achieved the exact opposite of what he wanted...Hamas will gain in status and strength....They have to go in there and stop this nonsense once and for all.
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AuntAcid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:24:33am |
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FrogMarch Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:24:38am |
The Hamas nazi Palis have turned Gaza into a hell hole. Everything the hate cult touches turns to rancid putridity.
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desdichado Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:24:43am |
I'm hoping for a short stay in the Gaza sewers for the IDF. That place is a mosquito-infected hell. Just kick some @ss and get the hell out.
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Digital Display Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:24:47am |
re: #174 MandyManners
I despise esses and ettes and ettas.
Rant over.
You don't like etta's? Like Etta James? LOL
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Blazer in RIC Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:24:54am |
These good guys/gals may get a little hungry takin' out those Hamas pukes. Send em' a pizza or two. It aint' easy takin' out terrorist rat bastards on an empty stomache.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:25:10am |
re: #213 Dustyvet
Moe Howard :Weigh Ancher...
Larry Fine and Curley Howard: About 12 and a half pounds...
Ohh... a wise guy, eh? Nyuck, Nyuck, Nyuck!
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albusteve Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:25:26am |
re: #200 Desert Dog
Let's hope the devils up in the Bekaa Valley and their puppet masters in Tehran don't start getting any ideas in their pointy little heads.
they are in a world of hurt right now...they are damned if they do and damned if they dont...do they hve the guts to sucker punch the IDF...doubtful...will Iran lean on them to do something...maybe...how's their cash holding out?...very interesting
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alegrias Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:25:39am |
re: #93 Oh no...Sand People!
At this time I would just like to encourage all Lizards to keep an eye on their respective neck of the woods. Since this is a global community and the day's after 'friday' in particular along with what is going on in Gaza, I have a feeling that there is most definitely going to be spillover of terrorism popping up now.
Stay alert.
* * *
Fox News Cable yesterday showed gazillion Hamas supporters protesting --in Barack Obama's hometown of Chicago! Who would have thunk it?
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Digital Display Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:25:51am |
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buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:25:52am |
sky news : three pronged attack - north, south and centre (at gaza city)
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:26:09am |
re: #214 Desert Dog
In for a penny, in for a pound....If Olmert announces that as his goal and then stops short...he will have achieved the exact opposite of what he wanted...Hamas will gain in status and strength....They have to go in there and stop this nonsense once and for all.
And none of this "Hamas on the ropes... give them a cease-fire" shit, either.
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pat Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:26:11am |
I just love that reporter on Fox. "no one knows when they will strike. the children are so afraid". But when it is Jews dying, that is just nagging. And as for rocket hits on Israeli schools? Yawn. Fuck all you Gazans. Payback is a bitch.
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yma o hyd Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:26:34am |
Gawd, I loathe these female talking heads of the Beeb in Israel - the one just spouted all the threats of the hamassholes, like how they're going to open hell for the IDF - practically salivating at that image.
*spit*
... as if the IDF has done nothing in the last week to limit the 'military' capabilities of the hamasthugs!
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farting cardinal Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:26:35am |
JonBenJon, you're that close? be safe and keep us updated.
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MikeyHunt Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:26:45am |
Today we are all Israelis (well, most of us sane people.)
Good Luck & GodSpeed. Remove the hamas cancer once & for all.
I just hope people in the know, have been keeping track of where and who has been vocal, in support of hamas.
Interesting (and sickening) just how many terrorist sympathizers there are out there.
Just wait until rockets fall on their families house, until they wise up!
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Dustyvet Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:26:46am |
re: #220 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Ohh... a wise guy, eh? Nyuck, Nyuck, Nyuck!
I tried to think once, nothing happened...
Curly Howard
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:26:48am |
Must win... before 20 Jan 09 when the rug gets pulled out from under them.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:26:52am |
re: #213 Dustyvet
Moe Howard :Weigh Ancher...
Larry Fine and Curley Howard: About 12 and a half pounds...
And how do you judge the size of a fish?
Look at his scales.
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Idle Drifter Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:26:57am |
re: #195 ryannon
Repost from downthread:
In Paris, 20,000 + Pro Pali demonstration degenerates, approximately 200 'uncontrolled elements' attempt to storm Israeli Embassy and are beaten back by riot police. Shops and cars torched, injuries on both sides.
Come what may, we'll always have Paris....
/shit
All's quiet in my little part of the World unless there are small demonstrations in Bolder, CO and the various campuses across Denver, CO but I haven't heard of any. Can any other residents verify.
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Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:27:08am |
re: #223 alegrias
And in my own country, yet. Oh, well, good luck to them, I suppose, but they should keep their noses clean and their mouths shut.
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jwb7605 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:27:19am |
re: #227 pat
I just love that reporter on Fox. "no one knows when they will strike. the children are so afraid". But when it is Jews dying, that is just nagging. And as for rocket hits on Israeli schools? Yawn. Fuck all you Gazans. Payback is a bitch.
That was a NYT reporter. (on Fox)
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buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:27:19am |
re: #227 pat
I just love that reporter on Fox. "no one knows when they will strike. the children are so afraid". But when it is Jews dying, that is just nagging. And as for rocket hits on Israeli schools? Yawn. Fuck all you Gazans. Payback is a bitch.
and bear in mind that it was Gazans that were celebrating when 9/11 happened -dancing in the street and handing out candy...
yeah - payback sure as hell is a bitch.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:28:12am |
re: #230 MikeyHunt
He Mikey... you have some unanswered questions that have been asked of you. Why don't you go do a little research and get back to us with the answers?
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snopercod Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:28:28am |
I worry that Iran will use this opportunity to jump in.
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jaunte Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:28:32am |
re: #228 yma o hyd
Gawd, I loathe these female talking heads of the Beeb in Israel - the one just spouted all the threats of the hamassholes, like how they're going to open hell for the IDF - practically salivating at that image.
"Jihad of the mouth."
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pat Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:29:07am |
re: #162 MandyManners
What's an anchoress?
A sequestered female nun or religious authority in the Catholic church. Often a deeply religious and knowledgeable woman who chooses the life with church permission. Advisors to the church and throne.
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Joo-LiZ Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:29:14am |
re: #240 snopercod
I worry that Iran will use this opportunity to jump in.
They wouldn't dare... not yet anyway, America would hop in.
Hizballah -- now there is a threat.
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Maximu§ Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:29:20am |
I'm no warmonger, but I do sleep better at night knowing the IDF's are on the move and killing Jihadists.
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FrogMarch Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:29:31am |
No one likes the poor death cult Palestinians. They make crap neighbors. The only folks who adore the Palis are non-neighboring media elites and the neo-fascist left.
Go Israel.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:29:34am |
re: #240 snopercod
I worry that Iran will use this opportunity to jump in.
That's scheduled for 12pm EST 20 Jan 09.
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rwmofo Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:29:35am |
The Fox News Anchor just had a NY Times reporter from Gaza on the phone.
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ryannon Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:29:36am |
A Prayer For Israel:
[Link: www.acwitness.org...]
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:29:45am |
re: #234 Idle Drifter
All's quiet in my little part of the World unless there are small demonstrations in Bolder, CO and the various campuses across Denver, CO but I haven't heard of any. Can any other residents verify.
Well, Al-Jazeera hasn't arrived back in Golden.
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Abu Boo Boo Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:29:46am |
re: #171 Jetpilot1101
Obama won't be able to affect anything the IDF does. He isn't a friend of Israel and most folks are beginning to realize that. Israel will be condemned by the rest of the world no matter what so adding his voice is just more noise to them. I also don't think he'll have the stomach to cut funding for Israel. Even if HE does, Congress won't because votes for them depend on supporting Israel. Sorry Mr. Obama but you're pretty much screwed on this one.
I suspect Obama will not be willing to risk his domestic agenda over Israel. So he may just continue to lay low.
But I also have no illusions about where his sympathies lay. To the extent he gets involved, he will give a boost to the IslamoNazis.
That's why its crucial for Israel to complete the main objectives before Jan. 20th. After that, it's going to be like Dhimmi Carter's second term.
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Salamantis Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:29:48am |
re: #228 yma o hyd
Gawd, I loathe these female talking heads of the Beeb in Israel - the one just spouted all the threats of the hamassholes, like how they're going to open hell for the IDF - practically salivating at that image.
*spit*
... as if the IDF has done nothing in the last week to limit the 'military' capabilities of the hamasthugs!
The Beeb is working to hire on Baghdad Bob as we speak.
/?
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Lincolntf Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:30:01am |
CNN just ran a crawl that said "Israel starts large scale troop drafting".
Umm, "drafting"? How in the world does NOBODY at the network know that that is the entirely wrong word for Reservist call-ups?
Actually, I'm sute they know, but they want to exacerbate the "dreadfulness" of Israel's actions.
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zombie Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:30:06am |
Anybody good at extracting/downloading video embedded at Web pages?
Normally, I'm good at it, but I'm having real trouble with this one. It's related to this thread - -Gaza protests in SF.
If you know how to extract the video (i.e. download to hard drive) from this page, either tell me how to do it, or do it yourself and send it to me!
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jrausta Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:30:07am |
Time to clean up the house, starting with the Hamas room. Thank you, IDF, for standing up to this menace. God bless you and your families for defending freedom.
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Dustyvet Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:30:20am |
re: #240 snopercod
I worry that Iran will use this opportunity to jump in.
I suspect that would be about the dumbest thing Dinner Jacket could pull.
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buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:30:31am |
sky news: night vision camera shot of lines and lines of IDF soldiers on the march...
brave as hell...
tonight, we are all Israeli.
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yma o hyd Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:30:42am |
re: #241 jaunte
"Jihad of the mouth."
Brilliant expression! And she has the hardly islamic name of Katya Adler ...
(Have been complaining about her already, to the Beeb)
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:30:49am |
re: #244 Maximu§
I'm no warmonger, but I do sleep better at night knowing the IDF's are on the move and killing Jihadists.
Somebody in the West better have the nads to do it. Should be our job, but we became (or soon will become) wimps.
Thank God for the IDF.
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redc1c4 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:31:00am |
re: #173 jcm
GPS works anytime. No need to lase a target.
that all depends on how accurate you want to be......
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Erik The Red Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:31:08am |
re: #239 Walter L. Newton
He Mikey... you have some unanswered questions that have been asked of you. Why don't you go do a little research and get back to us with the answers?
I was going to reply much the same. But I thought maybe he would contribute something to this thread. Maybe maybe not/
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alegrias Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:31:22am |
re: #142 Salamantis
It was poetic justice for the mastermind of the Beirut US Embassy and Marine Barracks truckbombings.
* * *
Ronald Reagan struggled with how to fight these jihadists who murdered innocents for so long--Ronnie's Irish Eyes are no doubt smiling on Israel's invasion today.
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jwb7605 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:31:32am |
re: #259 ploome hineni
the FOX woman did nothing to stop that lying propaganda
That bothered me, too. There were plenty of openings.
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Venflon Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:31:35am |
re: #206 Joo-LiZ
re: #212 Guanxi88
The part about the re-occupation is my own interpretation of what's happening. It's possible they could just remove hamas from power and get out and let it sort itself, though I doubt they would do that... Risk having someone even worse than hamas gaining power.
What do you guys think?
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Maximu§ Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:31:49am |
re: #256 Dustyvet
I suspect that would be about the dumbest thing Dinner Jacket could pull.
If he doesn't do anything, he will lose face on the Arab street. Its a lose-lose situation for that Maniac.
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Ayatollah Ghilmeini Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:32:16am |
Don't expect any massacre reports because Gaza is going to be very cut off. Israel my cut communication to prevent cell phones detonating bombs or being used to target troops.
So far, everything is going on schedule and to plan- Hamas is going down. They started a war and Israel was looking for an excuse to wipe them form the map. Whoops.
The key differentiators this time around are Israeli political dynamics and the different military personalities involved.
It is too hard to tell if Hamas' unit cohesion has been affected by the air and artillery. The less fighting, the more it will be seen they broke and ran.
Moral of the story: don't mess with one of the best equipped and trained military machines in the world today. Corollary message: proving the business case for your elimination by actions that render you unfit to exist as a neighbor may make good Jihad but makes for certain war, see moral of story.
Gilad. Hang on bro, we are coming and you are coming home.
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NY Nana Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:32:21am |
I don't know if this has been posted. It is a prayer for the IDF, etc:
Invoking God's protection for the members of the Israel Defense Forces.
He Who blessed our forefathers Abraham, Isaac and Jacob -- may He bless the fighters of the Israel Defense Forces, who stand guard over our land and the cities of our God, from the border of the Lebanon to the desert of Egypt, and from the Great Sea unto the approach of the Aravah, on the land, in the air, and on the sea.
May the Almighty cause the enemies who rise up against us to be struck down before them. May the Holy One, Blessed is He, preserve and rescue our fighters from every trouble and distress and from every plague and illness, and may He send blessing and success in their every endeavor.
May He lead our enemies under our soldiers' sway and may He grant them salvation and crown them with victory. And may there be fulfilled for them the verse: For it is the Lord your God, Who goes with you to battle your enemies for you to save you.
Now let us respond: Amen.
The Hebrew version is there, also.
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Jetpilot1101 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:32:24am |
re: #250 Abu Boo Boo
I suspect Obama will not be willing to risk his domestic agenda over Israel. So he may just continue to lay low.
But I also have no illusions about where his sympathies lay. To the extent he gets involved, he will give a boost to the IslamoNazis.
That's why its crucial for Israel to complete the main objectives before Jan. 20th. After that, it's going to be like Dhimmi Carter's second term.
It's going to be Jimmy Carter 2 in more ways then one. The light at the end of the tunnel is someone else being sworn in as president in 2012. Obama will last a term at the most.
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akak Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:32:31am |
re: #243 Joo-LiZ
They wouldn't dare... not yet anyway, America would hop in.
Hizballah -- now there is a threat.
Hamas & Hizbashitzah = Iran anyways
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Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:32:32am |
re: #257 buzzdroid
sky news: night vision camera shot of lines and lines of IDF soldiers on the march...
brave as hell...
tonight, we are all Israeli.
No, that's not an honor I claim. The men and women on the front lines, doing the right thing, actually making life better for the rest of us by slugging it out with Hamas and dragging Hamas' hostages/constituents (the same thing, really - like with any cult) kicking and screaming into the 19th century, or sending them down to Hell, those are Israelis. Me, I'm just a stateside supporter.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:32:35am |
re: #256 Dustyvet
I suspect that would be about the dumbest thing Dinner Jacket could pull.
Never underestimate a mad-man.
To wit, on 8 Dec 1941, Adolf Hitler declared war on the United States making FDRs job of getting us involved in both theaters mighty easy.
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Miss Molly Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:33:01am |
Jet Pilot 1101 how right you are that Israel will be condemned by the rest of the world for trying to defend herself. It seems to be OK for Hamas to launch rockets and whatever else they want into Israel but deny Israel the right to fight back. The liberals will be besides themselves with rage that Israel is going to take Hamas on and most likely do some damage to that group in the process.
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Idle Drifter Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:33:15am |
re: #249 Walter L. Newton
That's always a good thing.
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Dianna Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:33:18am |
re: #254 zombie
I wish I could help - I'm hopeless, technically.
Is this the usual crowd of idiots, including women wearing headscarves and carrying signs advocating suicide bombing? I really detest those signs.
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Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:33:32am |
re: #264 jwb7605
That bothered me, too. There were plenty of openings.
Yeah she is a little weak on arguing. She pretty much just lets them drone on.
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alegrias Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:33:32am |
re: #154 MandyManners
I remembered when I saw his full name.
* * *
Imad Mugniyeh sleeps with the fishes! Praise Be.
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hack Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:33:37am |
re: #238 buzzdroid
and bear in mind that it was Gazans that were celebrating when 9/11 happened -dancing in the street and handing out candy...
yeah - payback sure as hell is a bitch.
and then they die. and it's a good thing if hamas dies for the palestinians as a whole.
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rwmofo Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:33:44am |
re: #259 ploome hineni
the FOX woman did nothing to stop that lying propaganda
Yeah. That was a little disappointing. She's reported from Israel a lot over the past 2-4 years it seems, so her BS Detector had to be spiking. She looks pregnant now.
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Crimsonfisted Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:33:53am |
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oldscouter Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:33:57am |
May G-d continue to hold Israel in the palm of His hand. I just hope Hashem will overlook the anti-Semitic demonstrations in the US. Glad I don't have to put up with it. Supporters of the poorpalestinians in my neck of the woods seem to maintain a low profile.
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Desert Dog Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:34:00am |
What is ironic about all of this is that if Israel was able to do what it really wants to do in Gaza and the West Bank, it would be much more beneficial to the Palis than anything Hamas or Fatah or (insert stupid-ass terrorist group here) has to offer. The Palis are being screwed over and over again by their own "leaders"......But, when all you have in your heart is hatred, it's kinda hard to see past that.
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Sharmuta Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:34:02am |
re: #268 Ayatollah Ghilmeini
Gilad. Hang on bro, we are coming and you are coming home.
Lord, here our prayer.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:34:05am |
re: #254 zombie
Anybody good at extracting/downloading video embedded at Web pages?
Normally, I'm good at it, but I'm having real trouble with this one. It's related to this thread - -Gaza protests in SF.
If you know how to extract the video (i.e. download to hard drive) from this page, either tell me how to do it, or do it yourself and send it to me!
It can be done if you have RealPlayer. Right-click on the bottom "window bar" and select "Download to RealPlayer" at the bottom of the menu which pops up. It'll bring it down to your machine.
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yma o hyd Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:34:07am |
re: #251 Salamantis
The Beeb is working to hire on Baghdad Bob as we speak.
/?
They certainly seem to have one of his students in Gaza City ...
Last report from Beeb said that the hamassholes told one Arab news station that they ahd killed some Israeli soldiers.
Nothing about this from the IDF.
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Catttt Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:34:24am |
Live streaming - various from Israel
[Link: www.fromil.com...]
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Dustyvet Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:34:47am |
re: #273 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Never underestimate a mad-man.
To wit, on 8 Dec 1941, Adolf Hitler declared war on the United States making FDRs job of getting us involved in both theaters mighty easy.
I was thinking along other lines LT, think you get my drift Sir...:)
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redc1c4 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:34:52am |
re: #203 AuntAcid
rantesse, rantette...hehe
(i hope you can't hit a moving target)
guess you'll learn the hard way.....
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Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:35:00am |
re: #279 hack
and then they die. and it's a good thing if hamas dies for the palestinians as a whole.
See, that's true, but the locals have been so brainwashed and stupefied with terror and poverty, they probably don't see it. Those who do, they leave if they can.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:35:05am |
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Joo-LiZ Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:35:44am |
re: #254 zombie
Anybody good at extracting/downloading video embedded at Web pages?
Normally, I'm good at it, but I'm having real trouble with this one. It's related to this thread - -Gaza protests in SF.
If you know how to extract the video (i.e. download to hard drive) from this page, either tell me how to do it, or do it yourself and send it to me!
I can get it for you, but it might be a really large file. How do you want me to get it to you?
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jwb7605 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:36:01am |
re: #293 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Some Iranian twit.
Who just stated "all this could have been avoided if the US had entered direct talks with Iran"
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:36:09am |
re: #290 Dustyvet
I was thinking along other lines LT, think you get my drift Sir...:)
You bet... nothing like trying on the jacket with the big "kick me" sign on the back. A Dinner Jacket, even...
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Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:36:14am |
re: #280 rwmofo
Yeah. That was a little disappointing. She's reported from Israel a lot over the past 2-4 years it seems, so her BS Detector had to be spiking. She looks pregnant now.
Why do you think she looks pregnant?
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winston06 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:36:14am |
FNC is having a neanderthal Iranian regime agent on. god, stop giving the Iranian regime air time on Fox News.
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Joo-LiZ Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:36:21am |
re: #294 Joo-LiZ
I can get it for you, but it might be a really large file. How do you want me to get it to you?
I think I can get it for you, I am in the process of getting something, I hope its the same vid as you wanted.
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yma o hyd Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:36:21am |
re: #252 ploome hineni
VDH is spot on - in the last half hour the Beeb spent about the same time reporting on the portests in London as on the IDF campaign ...
Apparently some protesters were 'in conflict' with the police ... yeah, brave protesters - NOT!
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Jetpilot1101 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:36:36am |
re: #274 Miss Molly
Jet Pilot 1101 how right you are that Israel will be condemned by the rest of the world for trying to defend herself. It seems to be OK for Hamas to launch rockets and whatever else they want into Israel but deny Israel the right to fight back. The liberals will be besides themselves with rage that Israel is going to take Hamas on and most likely do some damage to that group in the process.
The liberals are always beside themselves with rage; it's what keeps them going. Since Bush will be vacating the White House this month, their rage will have to be directed elsewhere. Israel makes a great target especially with willing shills in the MFMSM to propagate the propaganda of Hamas and their ilk. Let them seethe and then watch their heads explode when Obama does nothing to stop Israel. Should sound like popcorn in this country for quite some time.
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Dustyvet Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:36:50am |
re: #296 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
You bet... nothing like trying on the jacket with the big "kick me" sign on the back. A Dinner Jacket, even...
Yup...:)
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Oh no...Sand People! Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:36:55am |
re: #195 ryannon
Repost from downthread:
In Paris, 20,000 + Pro Pali demonstration degenerates, approximately 200 'uncontrolled elements' attempt to storm Israeli Embassy and are beaten back by riot police. Shops and cars torched, injuries on both sides.
Come what may, we'll always have Paris....
/shit
Amazing. Add that to the 1,147+ cars that have been torched in France over New Years.
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winston06 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:37:06am |
re: #295 jwb7605
Deport all Iranian regime agent to Iran now
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albusteve Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:37:10am |
re: #295 jwb7605
Who just stated "all this could have been avoided if the US had entered direct talks with Iran"
Arab comedy...if only!...
get it?
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Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:37:24am |
re: #293 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Some Iranian twit.
For those not in the know: easiest way to tell the good from the bad:
You say: "Oh, you're Iranian?"
They say: "No, we're Persian."
Good guys.
You say: "Oh, you're Persian?"
They say: "No, we're Iranian."
Probably not good guys.
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bj Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:37:24am |
re: #140 akak
That is another problem and it's name is Egypt, right Condi?
condi needs to get somewhere, preferably away from the public and communication (on the north 40 with jimmiah critter, for instance), and stay OUT of the ME. She is oblivious to reality and history.
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CommonCents Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:37:33am |
MSNBC has guest Eyad Surraj, Palestinian Human Rights Commission. Straight to the left, full speed. Blah, blah, international war crimes, blah, blah, blah.
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Crimsonfisted Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:37:34am |
re: #304 Oh no...Sand People!
Amazing. Add that to the 1,147+ cars that have been torched in France over New Years.
THIS year? They are STILL torching cars? How long has that been going on?
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psyop Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:37:40am |
re: #293 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
lol... So, Iranians don't respond well to threats, eh? So this guy basically implied that we must accept the way they behave because they "don't respond well to threats".
Then, I suppose, he should accept Israels actions today. After all, Israelis don't respond well to threats...
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buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:37:43am |
sky news has just shown a clip of IDF troops on the march , non-night vision.
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Venflon Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:37:43am |
re: #212 Guanxi88
I hope and pray that an occupation isn't necessary. A good firm sweeping is what the place needs, but I don't think it would do much good to stick around and try to take care of these folks afterward.
IDF and the political leadership are, if anything, too sensitive to the needs of the civilians in the area of operations though, so I suppose that might be on the agenda after all.
Still, I'll say this for any moonbats out there - with IDF in charge and on the ground, Gaza will be a damned sight cleaner, safer, and better served than when Hamas were running the place. We can expect to see working electricity, infrastructure upgrades, and a sharp decline in the petty thuggery that typified Hamas rule.
You're right, but you're forgetting one point.
The IDF soldiers' families and general public would not be too happy having them policing and protecting, while risking their lives, the same people that were just not long ago supporting and perhaps aiding in the attacks against Israeli civilians and troops.
Personally, I know I wouldn't want to engage in this kind of activity when called for reserves.
Hope you understand what I'm trying to say.
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Catttt Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:37:46am |
re: #288 Catttt
Live streaming - various from Israel
[Link: www.fromil.com...]
Channel 1 - first link on left - live streaming - Israel station. They have a deaf interpreter (I actually understand more of the sign language than the Hebrew).
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:38:08am |
re: #304 Oh no...Sand People!
Amazing. Add that to the 1,147+ cars that have been torched in France over New Years.
Are there any unburned cars left in Fwance? What does auto insurance cost there? :-)
| 317 |
jcm Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:38:34am |
re: #240 snopercod
I worry that Iran will use this opportunity to jump in.
That might be a good thing...
Casus Belli.
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winston06 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:38:44am |
re: #312 psyop
Mullahs behave under threat. This guy was an Islamic regime goon
| 319 |
rwmofo Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:38:48am |
re: #297 Nevergiveup
Why do you think she looks pregnant?
A couple days ago there was a wider shot and...she looked pregnant. Coulda been a lousy fitting outfit.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:39:03am |
re: #301 Jetpilot1101
The liberals are always beside themselves with rage; it's what keeps them going. Since Bush will be vacating the White House this month, their rage will have to be directed elsewhere. Israel makes a great target especially with willing shills in the MFMSM to propagate the propaganda of Hamas and their ilk. Let them seethe and then watch their heads explode when Obama does nothing
| 321 |
CommonCents Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:39:06am |
re: #311 Crimsonfisted
THIS year? They are STILL torching cars? How long has that been going on?
Looks like an opportunity for the US automakers to get sales up.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:39:18am |
re: #302 winston06
an A$$hole and an Iranian regime agent
I'll say it again... Fox (Murdock 51%, an Arab 49%), Sky News (Murdock), New York Post (Murdock), The London Sun (Murdock) and that's only the tip of the iceberg.
MSM, all the same, all the time!
| 324 |
FrogMarch Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:39:24am |
re: #295 jwb7605
Who just stated "all this could have been avoided if the US had entered direct talks with Iran"
ugh! She need not worry. The new Messiah will surely sit down and talk with Dinnerjacket/Hitler II, & work it all out.
| 325 |
pat Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:39:24am |
I wonder if Fox's Saudi masters will assert themselves again?/
| 326 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:39:40am |
re: #316 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Are there any unburned cars left in Fwance? What does auto insurance cost there? :-)
French auto insurance is going pyre and pyre.
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buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:39:45am |
re: #307 Guanxi88
For those not in the know: easiest way to tell the good from the bad:
You say: "Oh, you're Iranian?"
They say: "No, we're Persian."
Good guys.
You say: "Oh, you're Persian?"
They say: "No, we're Iranian."
Probably not good guys.
yup - i can independently confirm that.
as a student, years ago, had a landlord who was PERSIAN..
and he *insisted* on that.
"iranian? no no no sir.,.. PERSIAN"...
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jwb7605 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:39:49am |
re: #306 albusteve
Arab comedy...if only!...
get it?
I'm waiting for Obama to actually enter into direct talks, get his ass handed to him, and watch the comedy resulting from that.
It will happen, and that will be Arab comedy.
| 329 |
Crimsonfisted Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:39:51am |
re: #321 CommonCents
Looks like an opportunity for the US automakers to get sales up.
Heh. Good point. How about the new factory that opened in GA? Give THEM the business and forget Detroit.
| 331 |
Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:40:06am |
re: #310 CommonCents
MSNBC has guest Eyad Surraj, Palestinian Human Rights Commission. Straight to the left, full speed. Blah, blah, international war crimes, blah, blah, blah.
Has he/she commented yet on body tossing from the roofs of buildings or is that the purview of the Palestinian Olympic Committee?
| 332 |
winston06 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:40:06am |
re: #307 Guanxi88
wrong. I am an Iranian by birth. Persians consist more than 55% of the total population. Every one living within the Iranian plateau is considered an Iranian first and then his ethnicity might be of any concern. Vast majority of the people of Iran are pro-America to say the least.
| 333 |
Oh no...Sand People! Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:40:11am |
re: #311 Crimsonfisted
THIS year? They are STILL torching cars? How long has that been going on?
Fox News the other day had it posted. It's now a French holiday tradition...'youths'...Crazy isn't it. I am guessing there are more police no go zones in France than in Los Angeles.
| 334 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:40:18am |
re: #314 Venflon
re: #314 Venflon
You're right, but you're forgetting one point.
The IDF soldiers' families and general public would not be too happy having them policing and protecting, while risking their lives, the same people that were just not long ago supporting and perhaps aiding in the attacks against Israeli civilians and troops.
Personally, I know I wouldn't want to engage in this kind of activity when called for reserves.
Hope you understand what I'm trying to say.
Well, of course. Ideally, one could just burn the whole place to the ground, wall it off, and send the locals back to Egypt and Jordan, where they came from.
Sadly, though, IDF and the leadership are too humane for that. Anything less than that would be only a short-term fix, of course, but since it's not on the table, an occupation may become necessary.
Still, if they ask me, I say burn it down and send the Arabs home.
| 335 |
Sharmuta Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:40:22am |
re: #323 Walter L. Newton
I'll say it again... Fox (Murdock 51%, an Arab 49%), Sky News (Murdock), New York Post (Murdock), The London Sun (Murdock) and that's only the tip of the iceberg.
MSM, all the same, all the time!
Why is there surprise at this?
| 336 |
Digital Display Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:40:35am |
re: #322 MandyManners
He's calling it a "preemptive strike".
Kind of hard to call it preemptive strike after 8 years of rocket attacks
| 337 |
Dustyvet Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:40:36am |
re: #316 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Are there any unburned cars left in Fwance? What does auto insurance cost there? :-)
"Is Paris Burning?"
Some short Austrian guy with brown eyes.
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ryannon Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:40:42am |
re: #304 Oh no...Sand People!
Amazing. Add that to the 1,147+ cars that have been torched in France over New Years.
And the 100+ that go up in flames every day of the week, 365 days a year.... (official police statistics).
| 339 |
oldscouter Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:40:42am |
The unidentified disenfranchise youth of France burned over 1,000 cars on New Years. It is so common that the media no longer report it.
| 340 |
jaunte Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:40:55am |
I'd love to see a news commentator ask one of the Pal/Iranian/other Arab country spokesmen about the recent reintroduction of the punishment of crucifixion to Gaza.
It won't happen, but it might cast some light on the false equivalence that's being drawn between the combatants.
| 341 |
winston06 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:40:56am |
re: #327 buzzdroid
then he/she was an ignorant person who was ashamed of his/her heritage
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yma o hyd Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:41:05am |
re: #266 Venflon
Just going after the report from one Beeb reporter in Gaza City, who again peddled the lie that everybody is starving in Gaza, disregarding the tons of stuff sent in by israel in the last few days, I am beginning to think that ordianry people might perhaps realise how they've been used, and how Hamas has stolen the food from their mouths.
Which then makes me think that there could well be an uprising against the hamasthugs by the ordinary Palestinians.
The IDF spokesperson just said again that Israel does not aim to occupy Gaza again.
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Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:41:12am |
re: #323 Walter L. Newton
I'll say it again... Fox (Murdock 51%, an Arab 49%), Sky News (Murdock), New York Post (Murdock), The London Sun (Murdock) and that's only the tip of the iceberg.
MSM, all the same, all the time!
Come on Walter. FOX has it's faults but it is so much better than the other channels.
| 345 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:41:22am |
re: #317 jcm
That might be a good thing...
Casus Belli.
heh...just thinkin here of the possibilities...all pretty good really
| 346 |
Oh no...Sand People! Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:41:48am |
Godspeed the IDF. Later all.
Good luck.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:42:01am |
re: #328 jwb7605
I'm waiting for Obama to actually enter into direct talks, get his ass handed to him, and watch the comedy resulting from that.
It will happen, and that will be Arab comedy.
Hey, y' never know. The kid from Chicago could have that no-preconditions meeting in a garage on Ferbruary 14th.
| 348 |
CommonCents Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:42:11am |
re: #331 Nevergiveup
Has he/she commented yet on body tossing from the roofs of buildings or is that the purview of the Palestinian Olympic Committee?
Couldn't tell you. I can only handle that channel in small quips. My blood pressure is already borderline-high.
| 349 |
psyop Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:42:14am |
re: #318 winston06
Mullahs behave under threat. This guy was an Islamic regime goon
Of that, I am very well aware.
I was merely trying to dissect his logic, and extrapolate to other situations where it would apply.
Not, I expect, that he is very familiar with logic and critical thinking.
| 350 |
jwb7605 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:42:16am |
re: #344 Nevergiveup
Come on Walter. FOX has it's faults but it is so much better than the other channels.
... and that's supposed to cheer us up how?
| 351 |
Catttt Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:42:19am |
re: #307 Guanxi88
For those not in the know: easiest way to tell the good from the bad:
You say: "Oh, you're Iranian?"
They say: "No, we're Persian."
Good guys.
You say: "Oh, you're Persian?"
They say: "No, we're Iranian."
Probably not good guys.
When I bought my destop comp, my sales guy at Best Buy had an interesting accent. I asked where he was from - he said he was Persian. When I said Iran, he said nope - Persian. Exactly what you are talking about. His dad had gone back to Iran, but he said no thanks - staying in the USA. Real cute guy - not that I noticed that or anything....
| 353 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:42:41am |
oh god - they got another arab apologist on sky news saying that
IT IS THE MOST DENSELY POPULATED PLACE ON EARTH...
no it f**king IS NOT!
i wish to GOD someone in the media would point out that this is utter bullshit.
use Google Maps for christs sake! zoom in! look at "overcrowded" gaza in it...
ARRRGHH!
anyone got an email address for sky news to complain?
| 354 |
Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:42:43am |
re: #335 Sharmuta
Why is there surprise at this?
Some comments up thread seemed to think Fox had something over the others. I say Fox is just as much part of the problem. Just pointing that out.
| 355 |
zombie Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:42:56am |
re: #294 Joo-LiZ
I can get it for you, but it might be a really large file. How do you want me to get it to you?
There's a service called "YouSendIt" that allows the emailing (ftp-ing, actually, but done through email notifications) of any size file. If you download it yourself, email me when you're done, and I'll tell you how to send it to me.
Or, more simply -- tell me how to do it and I'll download it myself! Thanks!
| 356 |
Joo-LiZ Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:42:59am |
re: #254 zombie
Anybody good at extracting/downloading video embedded at Web pages?
Normally, I'm good at it, but I'm having real trouble with this one. It's related to this thread - -Gaza protests in SF.
If you know how to extract the video (i.e. download to hard drive) from this page, either tell me how to do it, or do it yourself and send it to me!
Alright, I now have the whole vid (5min5sec long) saved as a quicktime .mov, but it is 18.5 MB....
| 357 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:43:01am |
re: #332 winston06
wrong. I am an Iranian by birth. Persians consist more than 55% of the total population. Every one living within the Iranian plateau is considered an Iranian first and then his ethnicity might be of any concern. Vast majority of the people of Iran are pro-America to say the least.
I said it was a rough and ready tool. Learned it from a fellow from Tehran, a muslim by birth, who got out of dodge double quick when the beards started showing up. He said to me that after the revolution, anyone who copped to being "Iranian" was probably not to be trusted, since the Ayatollah et al gave them such a bad reputation.
| 358 |
Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:43:01am |
| 359 |
NY Nana Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:43:16am |
re: #187 Dianna
We'd already discussed options and started flaming each other on the previous thread. We're ready to drift.
Any of us who have family and/or friends, and those who care about Israel, are not ready to drift, damn it.
| 360 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:43:17am |
re: #286 yma o hyd
They certainly seem to have one of his students in Gaza City ...
Last report from Beeb said that the hamassholes told one Arab news station that they ahd killed some Israeli soldiers.
Nothing about this from the IDF.
I find BBC reporters hard to understand when they speak. As a rule, they have their heads so far up their asses so their verbal shit and brain farts come out muffled.
| 362 |
FrogMarch Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:43:33am |
re: #323 Walter L. Newton
I'll say it again... Fox (Murdock 51%, an Arab 49%), Sky News (Murdock), New York Post (Murdock), The London Sun (Murdock) and that's only the tip of the iceberg.
MSM, all the same, all the time!
Just becasue he owns a bunch of media doesn't mean he's puppeteering the content.
| 363 |
zombie Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:43:33am |
re: #299 Joo-LiZ
I think I can get it for you, I am in the process of getting something, I hope its the same vid as you wanted.
All I was able to get (video-wise) was the advertisements!
| 364 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:43:40am |
| 365 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:43:48am |
re: #320 albusteve
whoops..
Oboy lost any mojo he might have had earlier this week...he fucked up playing golf and not paying attention to his LLL/ME minions...his first opportunity to rescue the worlds just past him by....imo
| 366 |
Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:44:01am |
re: #344 Nevergiveup
Come on Walter. FOX has it's faults but it is so much better than the other channels.
Yea, sure. Be happy, don't worry!
| 368 |
debutaunt Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:44:07am |
| 369 |
rwmofo Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:44:08am |
re: #323 Walter L. Newton
I'll say it again... Fox (Murdock 51%, an Arab 49%), Sky News (Murdock), New York Post (Murdock), The London Sun (Murdock) and that's only the tip of the iceberg.
MSM, all the same, all the time!
At least FOX doesn't blacklist all conservatives. ABC has George Will, but NBC & CBS outright refuse to put a full-time conservative on air.
| 370 |
winston06 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:44:33am |
The country of Palestine does not technically exist in the first place
| 372 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:44:45am |
re: #341 winston06
then he/she was an ignorant person who was ashamed of his/her heritage
he was a refugee from the islamic regime there.
i find it understandable to not want to be associated with it...
| 373 |
alegrias Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:44:45am |
re: #277 Nevergiveup
Yeah she is a little weak on arguing. She pretty much just lets them drone on.
* * *
Jennifer Griffin of FOX news in past used to be a decent Middle East correspondent I thought.
She's perhaps become too wealthy and too establishment--like Valery Pflame?--living in Washington DC's tony NW neighborhood above the Vice President's house at the Naval Observatory. Loony liberal leftists live there.
| 374 |
jelo Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:44:51am |
Recently chocked on my bacon and eggs when that fucker Tom Aspel on msnbc said something the the effect that the hamas rockets were just a nuisance.
Nuisance: One that is inconvenient, annoying, or vexatious; a bother: Having to stand in line was a nuisance. The disruptive child was a nuisance to the class.
Where does he and his family live? Someone needs to launch a few nuisance rockets into his backyard where his kids are playing!
| 375 |
Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:44:55am |
re: #350 jwb7605
... and that's supposed to cheer us up how?
I think FOX has been pretty pro-Israel. Sure they have some occasionally disgusting interviews and some of their people ( like Shep ) say pretty stupid things sometimes, but outside of Israeli TV, they are OK in my book.
| 376 |
Quilly Mammoth Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:44:56am |
re: #267 Maximu§
If he doesn't do anything, he will lose face on the Arab street. Its a lose-lose situation for that Maniac.
Ahmonajihad sent his nuclear negotiator to visit Assada few hours ago.
| 377 |
jwb7605 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:45:06am |
re: #332 winston06
wrong. I am an Iranian by birth. Persians consist more than 55% of the total population. Every one living within the Iranian plateau is considered an Iranian first and then his ethnicity might be of any concern. Vast majority of the people of Iran are pro-America to say the least.
Does Iran still allow emigration?
I know they've cracked down on it over the last few years.
| 379 |
yma o hyd Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:45:24am |
IDF spokesperson on the Beeb said that the IDF ahve trained long for this,a re prepared, know about the targets, are aware of the challenge, and again says that they have trained well for urban warfare for the last two years.
Air stikes are going on, navy is supporting, and the IDF may be tehre for some time, until they reach their goal, she said.
Wow!
| 380 |
Sharmuta Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:45:24am |
re: #354 Walter L. Newton
Some comments up thread seemed to think Fox had something over the others. I say Fox is just as much part of the problem. Just pointing that out.
And I agree completely with you. I've repeatedly called them a moby network, and I stand by that character assessment.
| 381 |
Joo-LiZ Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:45:25am |
can you e-mail me with an address to reach you at? (blue nick)
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Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:45:31am |
re: #361 winston06
i can understand that
Okay, good, because, for reasons of ethnic and cultural solidarity, I don't want to offend the descendants of the one and only ancient near east nation that didn't try to snuff out my ancestors.
| 383 |
winston06 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:45:58am |
re: #377 jwb7605
Mullahs want people to leave Iran. Why not!? They can control people better if there's a lot less of them available. 150,000 highly trained young people leave Iran every year.
| 384 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:46:01am |
re: #363 zombie
All I was able to get (video-wise) was the advertisements!
Did you see this up-thread?
re: #285 pre-Boomer Marine brat
It can be done if you have RealPlayer. Right-click on the bottom "window bar" and select "Download to RealPlayer" at the bottom of the menu which pops up. It'll bring it down to your machine.
| 385 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:46:07am |
re: #342 Sharmuta
I'm actually a little surprised how weak the propaganda effort is this time. Where are the faked photographs? Where are the staged heart wrenching pictures?
I think the IDF videos are part of the reason there's been much MSM propaganda but something else has changed. Maybe they're wary of being busted and embarrassed again something is different this time.
| 386 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:46:12am |
re: #344 Nevergiveup
Come on Walter. FOX has it's faults but it is so much better than the other channels.
not good enough....they all suck...TV news is poison...there are other means if one can lose the fascination of talking heads, colorful commercials and multimillion dollar infosets for the hosts....puke
| 387 |
Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:46:14am |
re: #366 Walter L. Newton
Yea, sure. Be happy, don't worry!
Knock Fox as much as you want, but they love it in Israel!
| 389 |
alegrias Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:46:31am |
re: #297 Nevergiveup
Why do you think she looks pregnant?
* * *
Jeniffer Griffin DID just have a baby. I heard that on Fox News, she was complaining of her baby fat.
| 390 |
Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:46:37am |
re: #369 rwmofo
At least FOX doesn't blacklist all conservatives. ABC has George Will, but NBC & CBS outright refuse to put a full-time conservative on air.
At least Fox has Buchcanan. Ha! Touche' from me. The media is the media. What about McRielly... he's turned into a real gem. Give me a break.
| 391 |
Mardukhai Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:46:39am |
Hazak ve'Amatz! (Be strong and of good courage.)
| 392 |
jwb7605 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:46:52am |
re: #371 Iron Fist
They are trying to lay the foundation for unconditional negiotiations with the Obamessiah when he is sworn in. I'm sure that they are looking forward to it. Obama will probably give them everything they ask for, while demanding nothing substantive in return.
The MSM will decide substantive. That's not something an ordinary simpleton could discern. You'd just call it spin, being uneducated and stuff ...
| 393 |
Sharmuta Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:47:06am |
re: #385 Killgore Trout
I'm actually a little surprised how weak the propaganda effort is this time. Where are the faked photographs? Where are the staged heart wrenching pictures?
I think the IDF videos are part of the reason there's been much MSM propaganda but something else has changed. Maybe they're wary of being busted and embarrassed again something is different this time.
Once bit and twice shy.
| 394 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:47:06am |
re: #300 yma o hyd
VDH is spot on - in the last half hour the Beeb spent about the same time reporting on the portests in London as on the IDF campaign ...
Apparently some protesters were 'in conflict' with the police ... yeah, brave protesters - NOT!
I hope the police will be allowed to use their nightsticks as cluebats. Applying cluebats to moonbats has a beautiful symmetry, don't you think?
| 395 |
winston06 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:47:23am |
okay... take care every one. I am going out for now. have a good day
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psyop Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:47:32am |
re: #385 Killgore Trout
Too busy running for their frickin' lives to fake shit.
International Media (usually complicit) probably realizes that their cameras won't protect them this time 'round.
| 397 |
redc1c4 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:47:37am |
re: #254 zombie
Anybody good at extracting/downloading video embedded at Web pages?
Normally, I'm good at it, but I'm having real trouble with this one. It's related to this thread - -Gaza protests in SF.
If you know how to extract the video (i.e. download to hard drive) from this page, either tell me how to do it, or do it yourself and send it to me!
i can't even get it to laod properly to view, let alone save...
| 398 |
Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:47:38am |
Hamas "strategy": Kidnap Israeli soldiers.
Yeah... give 'em a state!
| 399 |
hazzyday Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:47:48am |
keep the corrupt UN and the PC Euro Weenies out of the solutions. And don't let Condi in the door. None of them have Israel's interests as a goal. They will bring defeat with them and a further erosion of the ability of Israel to defend itself.
| 400 |
pat Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:47:52am |
Almost all the Iranians-Americans I meet call themselves Persian. Of course they may be Persian. I would not know. They seem to want to differentiate between their heritage or culture and the current regime.
| 401 |
jwb7605 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:48:02am |
re: #383 winston06
Mullahs want people to leave Iran. Why not!? They can control people better if there's a lot less of them available. 150,000 highly trained young people leave Iran every year.
I can think of one group that has trouble. Headquarters for the group, oddly enough, is located in Haifa.
| 402 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:48:12am |
re: #385 Killgore Trout
I'm actually a little surprised how weak the propaganda effort is this time. Where are the faked photographs? Where are the staged heart wrenching pictures?
I think the IDF videos are part of the reason there's been much MSM propaganda but something else has changed. Maybe they're wary of being busted and embarrassed again something is different this time.
That, and, just a guess here, but arranging photo-ops is hard when your set keeps blowing up.
| 403 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:48:21am |
re: #371 Iron Fist
They are trying to lay the foundation for unconditional negiotiations with the Obamessiah when he is sworn in. I'm sure that they are looking forward to it. Obama will probably give them everything they ask for, while demanding nothing substantive in return.
is Gaza a country?...can the president do this legally...am I stupoid again?
| 404 |
Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:48:39am |
re: #387 Nevergiveup
Knock Fox as much as you want, but they love it in Israel!
So, you got Israelis that want to give the land back to whoever. So, that makes it good?
| 405 |
pat Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:48:42am |
re: #383 winston06
Mullahs want people to leave Iran. Why not!? They can control people better if there's a lot less of them available. 150,000 highly trained young people leave Iran every year.
wow.Is it that easy? Where do they go?
| 406 |
traderjoe9 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:48:45am |
I guess my cousin chose quote a moment to get thrown into military prison.
| 407 |
NY Nana Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:49:07am |
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rwmofo Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:49:14am |
re: #390 Walter L. Newton
At least Fox has Buchcanan. Ha! Touche' from me. The media is the media. What about McRielly... he's turned into a real gem. Give me a break.
I didn't defend Buchanan, O'Reilly or anyone for that matter. ...and don't get me started on Geraldo. I voted for McCain only because I could hold my nose while voting.
| 410 |
jaunte Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:49:14am |
re: #385 Killgore Trout
Some of the IAF effort may have impacted their propaganda-generating equipment and personnel.
| 411 |
Dr. Shalit Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:49:28am |
re: #177 MandyManners
I wonder if the IDF will have videos of this on Youtube.
Mandy -
I expect so after the footage is passed on by Military Censors.
-S-
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greenmiler Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:49:31am |
Total sea blockade of #Gaza as Naval forces also attack from multiple locations. GazaWar..from Muqata
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albusteve Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:49:33am |
re: #385 Killgore Trout
I'm actually a little surprised how weak the propaganda effort is this time. Where are the faked photographs? Where are the staged heart wrenching pictures?
I think the IDF videos are part of the reason there's been much MSM propaganda but something else has changed. Maybe they're wary of being busted and embarrassed again something is different this time.
heh...Charles is armed and ready to go I'm sure...
| 414 |
smokefire Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:49:39am |
.........kind of like a turnaround here. Didn't the Arabs want to push Israel into the sea.
My take, here, is don't stop until Gaza is a Hamas free Zone.
| 415 |
Ayatollah Ghilmeini Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:49:41am |
This is going to plan.
Let's hope the force of the attack coupled with the punches thrown to date disrupt them severely and force a fast go down. I expect plenty of hard fighting but one can hope.
I also look forward to Fatah operatives pointing out Hamas leaders and weapons caches. No regime can survive when an enemy army occupies its territory. As of this moment, Hamas will never bother Israel for a very long time.
The Israelis are going to hand over the strip to Egypt and the PA as soon as they can finish mopping up.
On a purely, I hate them and let's mock these idiots off the map, let's help humiliate the Hamasniks, they are all going to jail or hell, so Ismail Haniyeh, if you survive, your prison bitch name is: Liberace! You departed buddy Nizar Rayyan would have been Count Suckula, so I am sure he is much happier than you will be.
| 416 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:50:07am |
re: #358 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
...and one ball.
Well, his heirs are in Gaza now. Hamas is as evil as the Nazis and they share the same genocidal aspirations. May the IDF crush the dreams of Hamas to dust, just as was done to Hitler's ambitions!
| 417 |
Digital Display Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:50:17am |
| 418 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:50:35am |
re: #385 Killgore Trout
I'm actually a little surprised how weak the propaganda effort is this time. Where are the faked photographs? Where are the staged heart wrenching pictures?
I think the IDF videos are part of the reason there's been much MSM propaganda but something else has changed. Maybe they're wary of being busted and embarrassed again something is different this time.
i think you're right - they got busted with "fauxtography" and QanaGate last time round...
more cautious this time.
| 419 |
Mardukhai Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:50:41am |
Actually, the Persians did wipe out the Jews of Judea during the last Sassanid invasion of the sixth century, AD. They were apparently trying to get on the good graces of Emperor Heracleas before retreating. There doesn't seem to be any military reason for what happened, but there are relatively few sources for that war.
| 420 |
alegrias Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:50:41am |
re: #323 Walter L. Newton
I'll say it again... Fox (Murdock 51%, an Arab 49%), Sky News (Murdock), New York Post (Murdock), The London Sun (Murdock) and that's only the tip of the iceberg.
MSM, all the same, all the time!
* * *
You forget the Wall Street Journal--now Murdoch owned. And, it's FANTASTIC! Nothing like the rotten leftist MSM at all.
| 421 |
Jetpilot1101 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:50:46am |
re: #385 Killgore Trout
I'm actually a little surprised how weak the propaganda effort is this time. Where are the faked photographs? Where are the staged heart wrenching pictures?
I think the IDF videos are part of the reason there's been much MSM propaganda but something else has changed. Maybe they're wary of being busted and embarrassed again something is different this time.
I think part of the problem is that even the MFMSM are being impacted by the economy. Right now, all they care about is keeping their jobs because they are seeing the waning of their industry. They don't give a crap about the Palestinians or doctoring photos especially since they all know that the doctored photos were easily identifiable. If I was the head of a news desk that needed to fire someone, I'd fire people who embarrass the company first. These cowards in the media are only concerned with themselves. They only like the Palestinian cause when it benefits them. In this time of global economic meltdown, this story doesn't benefit them and hence there won't be the same kind of coverage as there was in the Lebanon war.
| 422 |
Ayatollah Ghilmeini Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:50:59am |
Feel free to list Hamas leaders and let them know what their names are!
| 423 |
Dustyvet Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:51:04am |
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buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:51:21am |
| 425 |
Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:51:25am |
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zombie Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:51:43am |
re: #356 Joo-LiZ
Alright, I now have the whole vid (5min5sec long) saved as a quicktime .mov, but it is 18.5 MB....
I got your emails, and am awaiting the YouSendIt notification. Thanks!
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broomer Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:51:56am |
re: #315 Catttt
Channel 1 - first link on left - live streaming - Israel station. They have a deaf interpreter (I actually understand more of the sign language than the Hebrew).
I'm looking at it but I don't see any interpreter.
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alegrias Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:52:01am |
re: #342 Sharmuta
Why is anyone surprised Israel's the "bad guy" in this?!
* * *
Sorry, not buying it!
Israel Rocks. Always has, in my book.
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Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:52:01am |
re: #419 Mardukhai
Actually, the Persians did wipe out the Jews of Judea during the last Sassanid invasion of the sixth century, AD. They were apparently trying to get on the good graces of Emperor Heracleas before retreating. There doesn't seem to be any military reason for what happened, but there are relatively few sources for that war.
You see, there you go with your "history". Me, I know about the Persians as far as when they sent the captives home, and I sort of leave it there.
Besides, weren't the Sassanids Greek (culturally) anyway?
| 430 |
gmsc Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:52:11am |
re: #422 Ayatollah Ghilmeini
Feel free to list Hamas leaders and let them know what their names are!
Now that would be a repetitive list!
Muhammed Mohammed al-Mohummad
Mohammed Muhammed al-Mohummad
Mohummad Muhammed al-Mohammed
. . .
| 431 |
Dave the..... Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:52:12am |
Winston
The country of Palestine does not technically exist in the first place
It exists just like the country of Appalachia exists. Or the nation of Midwest exists.
As most of us know, the Palestinian people weren't invented until 1967.
| 433 |
psyop Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:52:15am |
re: #398 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Hamas "strategy": Kidnap Israeli soldiers.
Yeah... give 'em a state!
If there is one thing I truly hope for in this whole thing, it is that no IDF get captured.
Believe me when I say, a quick death is better than what will most likely happen to any captured soldiers.
Absolutely the most horrific thing that I saw during my time in combat was the videos showing the torture and slow death of prisoners. Truly evil stuff.
| 434 |
Venflon Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:52:18am |
re: #343 yma o hyd
Just going after the report from one Beeb reporter in Gaza City, who again peddled the lie that everybody is starving in Gaza, disregarding the tons of stuff sent in by israel in the last few days, I am beginning to think that ordianry people might perhaps realise how they've been used, and how Hamas has stolen the food from their mouths.
Which then makes me think that there could well be an uprising against the hamasthugs by the ordinary Palestinians.
hmm, possible, though one needs to recall this was going on well before hamas took power, suicide bombing, weapon smuggling, all under the rule of the "moderate" fatah regime and with their encouragement.
"The IDF spokesperson just said again that Israel does not aim to occupy Gaza again."
And now the security minister has said in a televised broadcast that we're going into a "very long engagement"
I'm just wondering what the middle ground is for these two statements.
| 435 |
jwb7605 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:52:31am |
re: #419 Mardukhai
Actually, the Persians did wipe out the Jews of Judea during the last Sassanid invasion of the sixth century, AD. They were apparently trying to get on the good graces of Emperor Heracleas before retreating. There doesn't seem to be any military reason for what happened, but there are relatively few sources for that war.
Persia's borders at the time were not exactly confined to what we now call Iran, either.
| 436 |
Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:52:35am |
re: #420 alegrias
* * *
You forget the Wall Street Journal--now Murdoch owned. And, it's FANTASTIC! Nothing like the rotten leftist MSM at all.
Ah, do you actually read it. The only area that is conservative is certain columns on it's editorial pages. Please don't point out something if you know nothing about it.
| 437 |
Sunlight Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:52:38am |
Gaza is the new Falluja... clear and hold. Work with the neighborhoods (if they will).
| 439 |
Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:52:51am |
re: #425 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
It's over... FNC missed it for some stupid commercials...
I am sure it was in Hebrew anyway
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yma o hyd Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:52:52am |
Gawd - now they've got an Israeli student from Tel Aviv on the phone - who is 'against' all that. He wants peace talks, like the UN wants ...
Suicidal - throwing away all his parents and grandparents have been fighting and dieing for. Terminal stupidity - talk with Hamas? And he lives in Israel?
Words fail me ...
| 441 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:53:04am |
re: #417 HoosierHoops
where?
was just on sky news. live from tel aviv.
short statement in hebrew AND english.
( which is different to the Hez war , when olmert would make most statements in just hebrew.. all part of the new PR battle...)
| 442 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:53:06am |
re: #421 Jetpilot1101
That's a good point. News agencies are really hurting financially right now and they might be cautious about taking risks.
| 443 |
MandyManners Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:53:17am |
re: #422 Ayatollah Ghilmeini
Feel free to list Hamas leaders and let them know what their names are!
ShortShit's is Sodom Insane.
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jcm Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:53:24am |
re: #371 Iron Fist
They are trying to lay the foundation for unconditional negiotiations with the Obamessiah when he is sworn in. I'm sure that they are looking forward to it. Obama will probably give them everything they ask for, while demanding nothing substantive in return.
Peace in our time!
| 446 |
Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:53:47am |
re: #432 ploome hineni
See, we can agree on something!
| 447 |
Catttt Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:53:49am |
re: #427 broomer
I'm looking at it but I don't see any interpreter.
Ooooh. Bathroom break? Maybe I hallucinated him? Hmmmm.
| 448 |
Sharmuta Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:53:52am |
re: #428 alegrias
* * *
Sorry, not buying it!Israel Rocks. Always has, in my book.
I meant from the msm position.
| 449 |
Quilly Mammoth Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:54:01am |
CNN and Fox live feeds are getting hammered.
| 450 |
MandyManners Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:54:10am |
| 451 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:54:13am |
I'm watching Al Jazeera coverage now. Very funny. Some Israeli chick is schooling them now. Heh
| 452 |
Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:54:25am |
re: #433 psyop
If there is one thing I truly hope for in this whole thing, it is that no IDF get captured.
Believe me when I say, a quick death is better than what will most likely happen to any captured soldiers.
Absolutely the most horrific thing that I saw during my time in combat was the videos showing the torture and slow death of prisoners. Truly evil stuff.
A special kind of bastard to do that to a captured soldier. I think the IDF can work the operation so as to virtually eliminate any POW risks.
| 453 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:54:38am |
re: #415 Ayatollah Ghilmeini
This is going to plan.
Let's hope the force of the attack coupled with the punches thrown to date disrupt them severely and force a fast go down. I expect plenty of hard fighting but one can hope.
I also look forward to Fatah operatives pointing out Hamas leaders and weapons caches. No regime can survive when an enemy army occupies its territory. As of this moment, Hamas will never bother Israel for a very long time.
The Israelis are going to hand over the strip to Egypt and the PA as soon as they can finish mopping up.
On a purely, I hate them and let's mock these idiots off the map, let's help humiliate the Hamasniks, they are all going to jail or hell, so Ismail Haniyeh, if you survive, your prison bitch name is: Liberace! You departed buddy Nizar Rayyan would have been Count Suckula, so I am sure he is much happier than you will be.
LMAO! Loves it!
| 454 |
alegrias Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:54:51am |
re: #350 jwb7605
... and that's supposed to cheer us up how?
* * *
Same way that Charles Johnson's LGF is better than other blogs.
Fox News is NOT like leftist-addled media.
| 455 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:55:04am |
re: #420 alegrias
* * *
You forget the Wall Street Journal--now Murdoch owned. And, it's FANTASTIC! Nothing like the rotten leftist MSM at all.
RM is making money...Fox has it's viewership...Fox doesnt sell idology they buy it...
| 456 |
yma o hyd Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:55:05am |
re: #394 Dark_Falcon
Heh.
One of the protesters was foaming at the mouth about the 'vicious police attack, mroe vicious than anything seen since the miners' strikes' - police said a few people were 'detained' ...
| 457 |
traderjoe9 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:55:08am |
re: #440 yma o hyd
Gawd - now they've got an Israeli student from Tel Aviv on the phone - who is 'against' all that. He wants peace talks, like the UN wants ...
Suicidal - throwing away all his parents and grandparents have been fighting and dieing for. Terminal stupidity - talk with Hamas? And he lives in Israel?
Words fail me ...
Most people in Tel Aviv are idiots...its like our very own San Francisco.
| 458 |
Miss Molly Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:55:09am |
Obama's attitude toward Israel will probably be a problem for Israel but I would guess Israel will bypass Obama if not just ignore him altogether. Israel has a lot of support in Congress and from the American public. Carter didn't have any luck trying to make Israel do what he wanted them to do and I don't think Obama will fair any better.
What a lovely thought to think that Obama will be out of office by 2012 but this guy will hang on to the White House by doing anything and everything he has to do to keep it for 2 terms. Barry cares about Barry first and everything and everyone else is way down list from that.
| 459 |
Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:55:20am |
re: #454 alegrias
* * *
Same way that Charles Johnson's LGF is better than other blogs.Fox News is NOT like leftist-addled media.
Exactly
| 460 |
debutaunt Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:55:25am |
re: #253 Lincolntf
CNN just ran a crawl that said "Israel starts large scale troop drafting".
Umm, "drafting"? How in the world does NOBODY at the network know that that is the entirely wrong word for Reservist call-ups?
Actually, I'm sute they know, but they want to exacerbate the "dreadfulness" of Israel's actions.
The left has been baffled by the volunteer army here in the US. It sounds like they are trying to make it appear that people in Israel have to be forced to serve.
| 461 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:55:29am |
sky news now have some pallywooder on the phone live from gaza.
| 462 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:55:32am |
re: #445 jcm
Peace in our time!
Field or English? Fresh or frozen?
Happy and Prosperous New Year!
/uh ... sitting or standing?
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:55:33am |
re: #451 Killgore Trout
I'm watching Al Jazeera coverage now. Very funny. Some Israeli chick is schooling them now. Heh
Huh? You watching some kind of soft-porn program?
| 464 |
Jetpilot1101 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:55:41am |
re: #442 Killgore Trout
That's a good point. News agencies are really hurting financially right now and they might be cautious about taking risks.
With the exception of FOX, all of them continue to lose viewers and readers. A couple bad decisions and the stock heads south in a bigger hurry followed by a visit to the unemployment office.
| 465 |
Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:55:51am |
re: #457 traderjoe9
Most people in Tel Aviv are idiots...its like our very own San Francisco.
Some people in Tel Aviv--not most
| 466 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:56:12am |
re: #463 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
It's hilarious.
| 467 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:56:34am |
re: #440 yma o hyd
Gawd - now they've got an Israeli student from Tel Aviv on the phone - who is 'against' all that. He wants peace talks, like the UN wants ...
Suicidal - throwing away all his parents and grandparents have been fighting and dieing for. Terminal stupidity - talk with Hamas? And he lives in Israel?
Words fail me ...
Is it just me or do people seem to get dumber while they're in college?
| 468 |
AuntAcid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:56:44am |
re: #353 buzzdroid
oh god - they got another arab apologist on sky news saying that
IT IS THE MOST DENSELY POPULATED PLACE ON EARTH...no it f**king IS NOT!
i wish to GOD someone in the media would point out that this is utter bullshit.
use Google Maps for christs sake! zoom in! look at "overcrowded" gaza in it...
ARRRGHH!
anyone got an email address for sky news to complain?
It just feels more densely populated because no one bathes.
| 470 |
alegrias Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:56:58am |
re: #390 Walter L. Newton
At least Fox has Buchcanan. Ha! Touche' from me. The media is the media. What about McRielly... he's turned into a real gem. Give me a break.
* * *
I like O'Reilly better than I like you! Not that there's anything wrong with that.
| 471 |
zombie Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:57:07am |
re: #381 Joo-LiZ
can you e-mail me with an address to reach you at? (blue nick)
I got the video already! Great, fast work!
| 472 |
jwb7605 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:57:14am |
re: #454 alegrias
* * *
Same way that Charles Johnson's LGF is better than other blogs.Fox News is NOT like leftist-addled media.
I consider Fox news (disclaimer: my favorite) to bend with the prevailing winds.
As an example, I would refer you to the presidential election. Where they started is not where they ended.
| 474 |
Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:57:45am |
| 475 |
Militant-Infidel Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:57:55am |
re: #363 zombie
All I was able to get (video-wise) was the advertisements!
Zombie:
Here is the actual URL for the video:
[Link: mfile.akamai.com...]
MI
| 476 |
Dustyvet Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:58:09am |
re: #461 buzzdroid
sky news now have some pallywooder on the phone live from gaza.
Sorry, I'll have to hang up now, I have an M-60 tank in my kitchen, and some nice young men who want me to go with them.
| 477 |
Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:58:18am |
re: #353 buzzdroid
oh god - they got another arab apologist on sky news saying that IT IS THE MOST DENSELY POPULATED PLACE ON EARTH... no it f**king IS NOT! i wish to GOD someone in the media would point out that this is utter bullshit. use Google Maps for christs sake! zoom in! look at "overcrowded" gaza in it... ARRRGHH!
anyone got an email address for sky news to complain?
Yes, Sky News another Murdock outlet. Feh.
| 478 |
Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:58:47am |
re: #476 Dustyvet
Sorry, I'll have to hang up now, I have an M-60 tank in my kitchen, and some nice young men who want me to go with them.
M-60? Damn dude, you are old, too!
| 480 |
Frank_Mtl Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:58:47am |
From [Link: muqata.blogspot.com...]
9:47 PM CNN reports: Reacting to the [IDF] incursion, chief negotiator for the Palestinian Authority Saeb Erakat said: "What this will do is undermine the peace process."
Thanks Saeb -- if you define "peace process" as the weakening of Israel, then I guess you are correct. If it means stabilizing the Middle East for democracy, them I would have to disagree with your erudite analysis.
LOL
| 482 |
Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:58:59am |
re: #472 jwb7605
I consider Fox news (disclaimer: my favorite) to bend with the prevailing winds.
As an example, I would refer you to the presidential election. Where they started is not where they ended.
True, but were they ended was still far to the right of anyone else.
| 483 |
Opinionated Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:59:13am |
JPost: IDF destroys rocket launcher operating in refugee camp cemetery
Expect a condemnation of Israel killing innocent already dead civilians.
| 484 |
Dustyvet Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:59:42am |
re: #478 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
M-60? Damn dude, you are old, too!
Yup, I was a road guard at the, oh you know the bit LT...:)
| 485 |
jcm Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:00:07pm |
re: #462 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Field or English? Fresh or frozen?
Happy and Prosperous New Year!
/uh ... sitting or standing?
Whirled!
| 486 |
Catttt Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:00:24pm |
In case this wonderful video has not been linked today:
A Prayer for Israel - Psalm 83
And here is the text of the psalm
Psalm 83
A song. A psalm of Asaph.
O God, do not keep silent;
be not quiet, O God, be not still.
See how your enemies are astir,
how your foes rear their heads.
With cunning they conspire against your people;
they plot against those you cherish.
"Come," they say, "let us destroy them as a nation,
that the name of Israel be remembered no more."
With one mind they plot together;
they form an alliance against you-
the tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites,
of Moab and the Hagrites,
Gebal, [a] Ammon and Amalek,
Philistia, with the people of Tyre.
Even Assyria has joined them
to lend strength to the descendants of Lot.
Selah
Do to them as you did to Midian,
as you did to Sisera and Jabin at the river Kishon,
who perished at Endor
and became like refuse on the ground.
Make their nobles like Oreb and Zeeb,
all their princes like Zebah and Zalmunna,
who said, "Let us take possession
of the pasturelands of God."
Make them like tumbleweed, O my God,
like chaff before the wind.
As fire consumes the forest
or a flame sets the mountains ablaze,
so pursue them with your tempest
and terrify them with your storm.
Cover their faces with shame
so that men will seek your name, O LORD.
May they ever be ashamed and dismayed;
may they perish in disgrace.
Let them know that you, whose name is the LORD—
that you alone are the Most High over all the earth.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:00:26pm |
re: #483 Opinionated
JPost: IDF destroys rocket launcher operating in refugee camp cemetery
Expect a condemnation of Israel killing innocent already dead civilians.
As long as it wasn't a Native American Sacred Burial ground, we'll be OK.
| 488 |
Dianna Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:00:37pm |
re: #467 Dark_Falcon
Is it just me or do people seem to get dumber while they're in college?
It's not just you. It's the one time in your life when you're absolutely sure of every little thing. And it's also the one time in your life when your opinion doesn't risk a whack upside the head.
So...people become certain that everything can be solved by talking.
| 490 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:00:47pm |
JPost: IDF destroys rocket launcher operating in refugee camp cemeteryExpect a condemnation of Israel killing innocent already dead civilians.
Nice - will they be double-counted, then, since the evil zionists were probably responsible for their deaths the first, second, and third times they died?
| 491 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:00:53pm |
re: #478 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
M-60? Damn dude, you are old, too!
Well, son, I pre-date the M-48.
How would you like a Sherman?
| 493 |
Venflon Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:00:56pm |
re: #469 itellu3times
?
Just.. not happy with this ground incursion, I guess it was needed and warranted, I'm just not thrilled about it. If you understand what I'm trying to say.
| 494 |
Digital Display Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:01:04pm |
Did you see that huge explosion on fox right now?
Whoa!
| 495 |
rwmofo Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:01:09pm |
Huge baby milk explosion in the background on FNC.
| 497 |
solomonpanting Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:01:14pm |
re: #467 Dark_Falcon
Is it just me or do people seem to get dumber while they're in college?
It's not you. Look who their teachers and mentors are.
| 498 |
jwb7605 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:01:29pm |
re: #482 Nevergiveup
True, but were they ended was still far to the right of anyone else.
at the risk of repeating myself ...
| 499 |
Dustyvet Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:01:38pm |
re: #487 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
As long as it wasn't a Native American Sacred Burial ground, we'll be OK.
Future Chicago voters?
| 500 |
Crimsonfisted Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:01:43pm |
Total sea blockade of #Gaza as Naval forces also attack from multiple locations. #GazaWar 21 minutes ago from web
| 501 |
Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:01:46pm |
re: #494 HoosierHoops
Did you see that huge explosion on fox right now?
Whoa!
Still burning like crazy--looks like a fuel depot or something
| 502 |
Joo-LiZ Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:01:59pm |
re: #434 Venflon
hmm, possible, though one needs to recall this was going on well before hamas took power, suicide bombing, weapon smuggling, all under the rule of the "moderate" fatah regime and with their encouragement.
"The IDF spokesperson just said again that Israel does not aim to occupy Gaza again."
And now the security minister has said in a televised broadcast that we're going into a "very long engagement"
I'm just wondering what the middle ground is for these two statements.
Temporary occupation. Clean out the strip, then hand it over to --- to --- someone?
| 503 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:02:01pm |
re: #489 Nevergiveup
Wow pretty big boom in Gaza
sky news is showing that now... big BIG fire... looks like some sort of fuel depot has been hit?
| 506 |
itellu3times Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:02:04pm |
re: #493 Venflon
Just.. not happy with this ground incursion, I guess it was needed and warranted, I'm just not thrilled about it. If you understand what I'm trying to say.
I've been saying the same for days.
Thanks for your posts.
| 507 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:02:15pm |
re: #493 Venflon
Just.. not happy with this ground incursion, I guess it was needed and warranted, I'm just not thrilled about it. If you understand what I'm trying to say.
I hear you. Stand off a while longer, keep up the shelling and bombardment for as long as possible, that would be the way I'd like to have seen this thing go.
Still, I suppose - and hope - they know what they're doing.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:02:20pm |
re: #456 yma o hyd
Heh.
One of the protesters was foaming at the mouth about the 'vicious police attack, mroe vicious than anything seen since the miners' strikes' - police said a few people were 'detained' ...
If Gordon Brown lets the Islamists get the beatdown the CMU got at Orgreave, I will sing his praises. If they are pounded hard enough it just might convince some of them that supporting sharia isn't worth the grief and risk.
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Dr. Shalit Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:02:33pm |
re: #383 winston06
Mullahs want people to leave Iran. Why not!? They can control people better if there's a lot less of them available. 150,000 highly trained young people leave Iran every year.
winston06 -
Their BAD - OUR GAIN - obviously the Mullahs have learned nothing about the concept of "Brain Drain."
-S-
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opnion Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:02:44pm |
re: #452 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
A special kind of bastard to do that to a captured soldier. I think the IDF can work the operation so as to virtually eliminate any POW risks.
Israeli prisoners would be a truly bad scenario. I am sure every IDF soldier is aware of what type of horror they would face & would even take extreme measures tio avoid capture.
| 512 |
Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:02:47pm |
re: #484 Dustyvet
Yup, I was a road guard at the, oh you know the bit LT...:)
ROFLMAO.
It's funny... I talk to my kids who are "up" on current weapons and such and feel like such an old fart with my 1970's and 80's info.
I wonder if that is how WW1 vets felt like discussing military things with civilians in 1942...
| 513 |
Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:02:55pm |
re: #498 jwb7605
at the risk of repeating myself ...
Yes--they still are far closer to my views on the world and the USA than any other TV news outlet. And most of the time I am happy watching them with out puking. I don't expect to agree with them or anyone all the time.
| 514 |
Digital Display Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:02:57pm |
re: #491 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Well, son, I pre-date the M-48.
How would you like a Sherman?
Does it have leather seats?
| 515 |
jwb7605 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:03:17pm |
re: #500 Crimsonfisted
Total sea blockade of #Gaza as Naval forces also attack from multiple locations. #GazaWar 21 minutes ago from web
Which is exactly why I asked about the Amphibious Assault Vehicles.
GO IDF! You ROCK!
(OOH RAH!)
| 516 |
Dianna Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:03:37pm |
re: #495 rwmofo
Huge baby milk explosion in the background on FNC.
Well, as the Male just pointed out, baby milk powder, in the presence of an oxydizer, will go "boom" quite satisfactorily!
| 517 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:03:51pm |
re: #483 Opinionated
JPost: IDF destroys rocket launcher operating in refugee camp cemetery
Expect a condemnation of Israel killing innocent
already dead civiliansChicago voters.
fixed.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:04:02pm |
re: #491 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Well, son, I pre-date the M-48.
How would you like a Sherman?
Damn... that is old. How'd you fit in the Mother anyway? Was it a Mk I or Mk II? Did you really have to wear that chain thing over your face?
| 519 |
Dianna Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:04:08pm |
The Male needs to work on my system.
Wish us luck!
| 520 |
NY Nana Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:04:11pm |
I got this video* from an Israeli who I have known since he was 3...he is almost 50 now....he was the one who was pro-Obama, and we used to fight about it. Now? He is sorry he voted for him, and scared for Israel.
On the radio: 4 IDF killed....may the enemy lose 1 million for every murdered Jew.
*The video is in English...you will see Hebrew before it starts.
| 521 |
hazzyday Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:04:26pm |
Our local media in Seattle; Fox, and ABC both consistently point out how one sided the fatalities are on the Palestianian side and how sad that is. Compare that to how joyful they are when American casualties in Iraq are low. I would say these mainstream media are engaging in a strong form of anti-semitism.
| 522 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:04:32pm |
re: #483 Opinionated
JPost: IDF destroys rocket launcher operating in refugee camp cemetery
Expect a condemnation of Israel killing innocent already dead civilians.
From the article: "...located in the Jebaliya refugee camp..."
From my maps, that's near the northern outskirts of Gaza City.
| 523 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:04:53pm |
small arms fire in the background on sky news.
| 524 |
Opinionated Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:04:54pm |
re: #487 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
As long as it wasn't a Native American Sacred Burial ground, we'll be OK.
Also the Democrats might be upset. Some of their most reliable voters are found in cemeteries.
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jwb7605 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:04:55pm |
re: #513 Nevergiveup
Yes--they still are far closer to my views on the world and the USA than any other TV news outlet. And most of the time I am happy watching them with out puking. I don't expect to agree with them or anyone all the time.
Don't you just hate being right? That exactly describes my position, with "most" being the operative term.
| 526 |
MandyManners Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:05:10pm |
| 527 |
Venflon Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:05:29pm |
re: #502 Joo-LiZ
Temporary occupation. Clean out the strip, then hand it over to --- to --- someone?
Right, just what I was wondering..
re: #507 Guanxi88
I hear you. Stand off a while longer, keep up the shelling and bombardment for as long as possible, that would be the way I'd like to have seen this thing go.
Still, I suppose - and hope - they know what they're doing.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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transient Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:05:37pm |
Watching CNN live streaming video, which is a bit masochistic, but Christiane Amanpour is trying to grill Israeli spokesman Mark Regev.
Regev is great. I have lost a lot of respect for Amanpour over the years. She has no insight.
| 529 |
Joo-LiZ Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:05:45pm |
re: #521 hazzyday
Our local media in Seattle; Fox, and ABC both consistently point out how one sided the fatalities are on the Palestianian side and how sad that is. Compare that to how joyful they are when American casualties in Iraq are low. I would say these mainstream media are engaging in a strong form of anti-semitism.
Or america-centrism.... Were they complaining the same way at the one-sided nature of the Russia-Georgia war, last summer?
| 530 |
Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:05:59pm |
re: #524 Opinionated
Also the Democrats might be upset. Some of their most reliable voters are found in cemeteries.
Yes, but not in Gaza... oh wait... that changed in 2008.
| 531 |
opnion Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:06:11pm |
FNC just had some Arab chick on working for the NY Times in Gaza.
She reported next to nothing, but gave a hysterical pro-Hamas infomercial.
One thing she did say though that was interesting is that the civilians are upset that Hamas is not defending them.
| 532 |
Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:06:20pm |
re: #525 jwb7605
Don't you just hate being right? That exactly describes my position, with "most" being the operative term.
And there is some paper or person or station you always agree with? I have learned things from watching FOX. Fox change the whole face to TV news. Give it some credit.
| 533 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:06:27pm |
re: #515 jwb7605
Which is exactly why I asked about the Amphibious Assault Vehicles.
GO IDF! You ROCK!
(OOH RAH!)
marine landing?
woo-haa! sounds like a pincer movement... push them back so that the hamassholes are trapped in a rats nest of their own seething...
sidenote: hello "protestors" - fat lot of f**king good your Hamas loving "protest" did today, eh?
GO IDF!
| 534 |
goddessoftheclassroom Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:06:32pm |
| 535 |
jwb7605 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:06:37pm |
re: #521 hazzyday
Our local media in Seattle; Fox, and ABC both consistently point out how one sided the fatalities are on the Palestianian side and how sad that is. Compare that to how joyful they are when American casualties in Iraq are low. I would say these mainstream media are engaging in a strong form of anti-semitism.
Consistent is the word that occurs to me as far as who they enjoy seeing dead.
| 536 |
desdichado Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:06:43pm |
France has set a new record of 1147 burnt-out cars during New Year's.
You know, the "youth"....
This is 30% more than last year, even though the police were out in force (35,000 men deployed). Two hundred eighty people were arrested.
| 537 |
transient Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:06:53pm |
I wish Amanpour had the guts to challenge the Arabs the way she is trying to grill Regev.
| 539 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:07:10pm |
Aljazeera reporting that the Israelis just blew up an orphanage.
| 540 |
Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:07:17pm |
re: #531 opnion
FNC just had some Arab chick on working for the NY Times in Gaza.
She reported next to nothing, but gave a hysterical pro-Hamas infomercial.
One thing she did say though that was interesting is that the civilians are upset that Hamas is not defending them.
Hmm... you FNC is different from mine. No Arab chick here.
| 541 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:07:22pm |
re: #530 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Yes, but not in Gaza... oh wait... that changed in 2008.
Sad, very sad.
| 542 |
Jetpilot1101 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:07:29pm |
I love the name of the operation "Cast Lead". Hail of bullets would have been better but I'll take what I can get.
| 543 |
Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:08:04pm |
re: #539 Killgore Trout
Aljazeera reporting that the Israelis just blew up an orphanage.
Orphan missiles?
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Occasional Reader Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:08:07pm |
re: #528 transient
Watching CNN live streaming video, which is a bit masochistic, but Christiane Amanpour is trying to grill Israeli spokesman Mark Regev.
Regev is great. I have lost a lot of respect for Amanpour over the years. She has no insight.
I'm watching the same at the moment, just to torture myself. Amanpour might as well sign up for the Hamas payroll, if she isn't on it already.
| 545 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:08:25pm |
re: #514 HoosierHoops
Does it have leather seats?
I doubt it ... HOWEVER ... a Neiman Marcus Christmas catalog from the mid-Nineties showed a restored British Army Ferret armored car for only $40K or so. (minus the machine gun, dammit!) What kind of accessories would you like with that, sir?
| 547 |
Fluffster Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:08:38pm |
re: #101 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
You have to be Western, well-equipped, and expertly trained to pull it off. Otherwise you have the world's greatest CF and a lot of Blue on Blue fires.
Or Red on Red, perhaps :)
| 548 |
Dustyvet Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:08:43pm |
re: #530 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Yes, but not in Gaza... oh wait... that changed in 2008.
Hey LT, did you know that Robert Stroud "The Bird Man of Alcatraz" is buried in Metropolis, Illinois? Wonder if he's a registered voter?
| 549 |
bluestar Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:08:50pm |
Good hunting IDF - Chazak, Chazak!
We pray for Tzahal's brave soldiers.
| 550 |
yma o hyd Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:09:06pm |
EU presidency says sees ground incursion as defensive, not offensive:
'EU presidency says sees ground incursion as defensive, not offensive'
Yesssss!
Thats the Czech presidency - if the Fwench still had the EU presidency, they'd say something totally different!
| 551 |
goddessoftheclassroom Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:09:08pm |
re: #544 Occasional Reader
I'm watching the same at the moment, just to torture myself. Amanpour might as well sign up for the Hamas payroll, if she isn't on it already.
And her husband is Jewish, isn't he?
| 552 |
Charles Johnson Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:09:09pm |
Fox News coverage is horrible. It's been a constant parade of Palestinian shills all morning.
| 553 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:09:16pm |
re: #539 Killgore Trout
Aljazeera reporting that the Israelis just blew up an orphanage.
Well, that's a lie right there. Everybody watching Al jazeera knows that the Israelis target children exclusively, and are so ruthless that they leave no survivors. Therefore, there are no orphanages there, and therefore the report is a zionist plant to curry sympathy for zionists interests and make the dignified and truth-loving Al Jazeera look foolish.
| 554 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:09:18pm |
re: #505 Iron Fist
I think that you could argue that Gaza is a country. It has its own elected government, enforces its own laws, etc. It doesn't have much in the way of a real military, but neither does Lichtenstein.
The President has a lot of leeway with how his Administration handels foreign policy. He can even sign treaties and other instruments of "international" law, although in the case of treaties the Senate has to ratify them.
That is, after all, what Clinton did with Kyoto. He signed it, but didn't even ask the Senate to ratify it. Obama could certainly do similar things with the Palestinians in Gaza, but given the composition of the Senate I suspect that he could get most any kind of treaty he wanted through it.
Except for Kyoto. Not even the Democrats will sign on to that attack on the American Economy in disguise as a "climate" treaty.
Kyoto is an agreement bewteen sovereign states....Gaza may well not be...not that it would set a precedent but I'm just curious about the technicality
| 555 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:09:21pm |
re: #519 Dianna
The Male needs to work on my system.
Wish us luck!
I am NOT going to touch that one!
| 557 |
harrisam Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:09:32pm |
Zombie,
I used "Snapz Pro X" to record the video you asked for. Its 200+ MB now. I can make it smaller & probably email it if you want. Let me know.
Harris
| 558 |
Jetpilot1101 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:09:40pm |
re: #539 Killgore Trout
Aljazeera reporting that the Israelis just blew up an orphanage.
Was it the orphanage that housed all the children of the adult Palestinian self-detonators?
| 559 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:09:52pm |
re: #546 jamgarr
The Aljazeera coverage is better than CNN.
| 560 |
Opinionated Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:10:16pm |
re: #531 opnion
Must have been CNN. I commented on her yesterday. An example of NY Times objectivity.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
| 561 |
Jetpilot1101 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:10:23pm |
| 562 |
Sharmuta Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:10:28pm |
re: #552 Charles
Fox News coverage is horrible. It's been a constant parade of Palestinian shills all morning.
Maybe they're saving pat buchanan for prime time.
| 563 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:10:29pm |
Any possibility of Hezbollah opening a second front in the north?
| 564 |
Occasional Reader Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:10:45pm |
By the way, the goblins were "protesting" near the Israeli embassy here in DC yesterday, I'd say about 100-150. Today I passed two lone, brave people out there waving Israeli flags. Gave 'em a honk and a wave.
| 565 |
jwb7605 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:10:59pm |
re: #532 Nevergiveup
And there is some paper or person or station you always agree with? I have learned things from watching FOX. Fox change the whole face to TV news. Give it some credit.
I always agree with our local paper (Louisville Times -- Louisville, Colorado). Once-a-week, local news only.
Please don't misread me -- I think Fox is far and away the best and most truthful network.
I just get dismayed when they obviously bend to 'greater public opinion'. I've seen them do that not by lying, but by committing the "sin" of news omission.
| 566 |
Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:11:01pm |
re: #563 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Any possibility of Hezbollah opening a second front in the north?
I would if i was them
| 567 |
MandyManners Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:11:06pm |
| 568 |
Jetpilot1101 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:11:13pm |
re: #563 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Any possibility of Hezbollah opening a second front in the north?
We can only hope. I'll bet the IDF is ready and can't wait to unleash hell on those bastards next.
| 569 |
Fenway_Nation Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:11:13pm |
Some of my favorite toppings aren't exctly Kosher, but go IDF!
| 570 |
Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:11:16pm |
re: #547 Fluffster
Or Red on Red, perhaps :)
Oh, you'll get the whole mess... but unscrewing it will take way too much time and cost way too many lives needlessly. Not something "not quite ready for prime time" armies should ever attempt.
You've never been in a real CF until you've been in a 10,000 man gaggle-f*ck at night.
| 571 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:11:19pm |
re: #542 Jetpilot1101
I love the name of the operation "Cast Lead". Hail of bullets would have been better but I'll take what I can get.
that's Ehud Barak turning on his military brain , and turning the dial to "dont f**k with me Hamas scum" mode.
/ read his military service bio...
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
sky news have confirmed that its a three pronged attack. north , south and central. with naval attacks mentioned above, that sure doesnt sound like a mere "incursion" to me... this is all out invasion.
| 572 |
psyop Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:11:24pm |
re: #533 buzzdroid
sidenote: hello "protestors" - fat lot of f**king good your Hamas loving "protest" did today, eh?
GO IDF!
HOLY CRAP! You made me spit out my coffee on my wife's new keyboard!
Felt good to laugh, though.
| 573 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:11:30pm |
| 574 |
opnion Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:11:31pm |
re: #532 Nevergiveup
And there is some paper or person or station you always agree with? I have learned things from watching FOX. Fox change the whole face to TV news. Give it some credit.
FNC does beat anything else out there.
| 575 |
Joo-LiZ Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:11:35pm |
re: #552 Charles
Fox News coverage is horrible. It's been a constant parade of Palestinian shills all morning.
I don't get Fox News up here in the great white north.
CNN, CBC are the only two 24 hour networks... while both occasionally switch it up with BBC International
It's not the greatest selection
| 577 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:11:39pm |
re: #539 Killgore Trout
Aljazeera reporting that the Israelis just blew up an orphanage.
Those scum would say something like that. I think our response to stuff like that should be very simple: Lizard Army to Arab Media: FOAD.
| 578 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:11:39pm |
| 579 |
Occasional Reader Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:12:00pm |
The only thing Amanpour cares about is "letting the foreign press in"... to a war zone. Fucking idiot. Narcissistic idiot, no less.... yeah, it's all about you, Christiane.
| 580 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:12:02pm |
re: #559 Killgore Trout
The Aljazeera coverage is better than CNN.
Are you damning with faint praise?
| 581 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:12:04pm |
re: #563 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Any possibility of Hezbollah opening a second front in the north?
If they do, I'd expect them to try it later, after the IDF had swept things up in Gaza but before they were ready to move on elsewhere.
There are one or two other events scheduled for later this month that may make a Hizb attack seem like a good idea to the Iranian regime.
| 582 |
Digital Display Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:12:12pm |
re: #552 Charles
Fox News coverage is horrible. It's been a constant parade of Palestinian shills all morning.
Totally lame..CNN in many respects has had pretty good coverage..you know..for CNN.
| 583 |
alegrias Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:12:14pm |
re: #436 Walter L. Newton
Ah, do you actually read it. The only area that is conservative is certain columns on it's editorial pages. Please don't point out something if you know nothing about it.
* * *
F.U., been reading the WSJ on and off since 1982.
| 584 |
Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:12:17pm |
re: #548 Dustyvet
Hey LT, did you know that Robert Stroud "The Bird Man of Alcatraz" is buried in Metropolis, Illinois? Wonder if he's a registered voter?
I didn't know that. Huh... learn sump'in new every day.
Metropolis isn't in Cook County, so it's only 50-50 he's a voter.
| 585 |
Blazer in RIC Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:12:21pm |
re: #543 Nevergiveup
No. Future homicide bomber factory.
| 586 |
notutopia Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:13:01pm |
re: #559 Killgore Trout
The Aljazeera coverage is better than CNN.
Turds and The cesspool...they're all smelly and the same.
| 587 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:13:06pm |
re: #552 Charles
Fox News coverage is horrible. It's been a constant parade of Palestinian shills all morning.
cant help wondering if that Arab prince who is an investor in News Corp has been on the phone to Murdoch today...
if so, its damaging Fox News.
| 588 |
Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:13:08pm |
re: #565 jwb7605
I always agree with our local paper (Louisville Times -- Louisville, Colorado). Once-a-week, local news only.
Please don't misread me -- I think Fox is far and away the best and most truthful network.
I just get dismayed when they obviously bend to 'greater public opinion'. I've seen them do that not by lying, but by committing the "sin" of news omission.
Ok I'll go along with there. I am kinda worked up by this and hope all my friends and family over there are ok, so I tend to jump at things. And i wish FOX was even more to the right, but I'll take what I can get for the time being.
| 589 |
Opinionated Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:13:16pm |
re: #552 Charles
Fox News coverage is horrible. It's been a constant parade of Palestinian shills all morning.
The anchor they are using is their former correspondent in Israel. She always had an anti Israel bias in her reports.
| 590 |
Vik Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:13:18pm |
Israel better not call it a draw and leave again like they did in Lebanon. That would be considered a huge victory for Hamas. The only way for Israel to succeed is to destroy Hamas - which it is in its power to do. Just win, baby!
| 591 |
opnion Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:13:19pm |
re: #560 Opinionated
Must have been CNN. I commented on her yesterday. An example of NY Times objectivity.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
That's her. She is an all out propogandist for Hamas.
| 593 |
transient Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:13:36pm |
re: #546 jamgarr
Amanpour giving Israel hell on Cnn!
/Spit!
Amanpour is quoting all the Palestinian talking points.
Regev giving Amanpour hell. He is so articulate. He is countering all the common BS she spouts.
Amanpour keeps bringing up Lebanon like it was Vietnam, like the Gaza op is the same and will end the same.
Now she's whining that Israel won't allow the press into an active war zone. Boo hoo.
I'd support sending CNN and BBC journalists, but I know dead journalists would give them more fodder for their anti-Israel journalism.
| 594 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:13:54pm |
re: #572 psyop
HOLY CRAP! You made me spit out my coffee on my wife's new keyboard!
Felt good to laugh, though.
oops .. sorry bout that!
| 595 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:14:00pm |
re: #567 MandyManners
Yup, that's what they said.
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jwb7605 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:14:07pm |
re: #552 Charles
Fox News coverage is horrible. It's been a constant parade of Palestinian shills all morning.
Feel free to jump in with me and nevergiveup.
I'd be interested in your take.
I would point out that on areas where we might disagree, you are consistent and your points are valid.
My take on Fox news is that they are not consistent, and some points are also not valid.
| 597 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:14:16pm |
re: #592 Iron Fist
I prefer a chainsaw. It's more, um, visual. Or visceral. Or something like that...
:-)
"Gently with a chainsaw," to quote a much-underrated 80's flick
| 598 |
Miss Molly Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:14:35pm |
I have been truely suprised at the backlash against the press and media in general for their bias and propaganda agenda for the left. Many of the newspapers are in deep financial trouble (New York Times and LA Times) as who believes what they print anymore.TV news is a joke. I have no doubt these institutions are running scared because we "dummies" out here have figured out we don't need them at all.
| 599 |
MandyManners Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:15:32pm |
| 601 |
harrisam Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:15:34pm |
I recorded it with Snapz Pro X. Let me know where to send it.
Harris
re: #254 zombie
Anybody good at extracting/downloading video embedded at Web pages?
Normally, I'm good at it, but I'm having real trouble with this one. It's related to this thread - -Gaza protests in SF.
If you know how to extract the video (i.e. download to hard drive) from this page, either tell me how to do it, or do it yourself and send it to me!
| 602 |
Jetpilot1101 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:15:41pm |
Thanks to all you Lizards out there who are watching CNN and keeping us updated. I can stand Amanpour for exactly 3 milliseconds before I projectile vomit so I appreciate you letting me know what is going on at the Clueless News Network.
| 603 |
Promethea Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:15:55pm |
re: #155 SemperHunden
I tried watching CNN and FOX, but I couldn't stick around more than a couple minutes because I was getting too angry. I don't want to hear what some Palestinian propagandist has to say, or hear a CNN anchoress say that the ground invasion is what Palestinians want so Israel can get bogged down, or hear anchors in general talk like they have the slightest idea about anything regarding military operations. I'll just stick to the internet for my news.
I gave up watching TV news a long time ago. I know so much more now by following various internet sites, including LGF, Israellycool, Augean Stables, etc.
| 604 |
Wilderstad Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:16:08pm |
May Israel and the IDF spank Hamas and all terrorist supporters hard enough, so they never have to do it again.
| 605 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:16:15pm |
re: #600 Killgore Trout
Another massive explosion in gaza.
Thing is, that would be a valid report any day for the pat 10 years or so.
| 606 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:16:19pm |
re: #598 Miss Molly
I have been truely suprised at the backlash against the press and media in general for their bias and propaganda agenda for the left. Many of the newspapers are in deep financial trouble (New York Times and LA Times) as who believes what they print anymore.TV news is a joke. I have no doubt these institutions are running scared because we "dummies" out here have figured out we don't need them at all.
indeed.. when you have Israeli bloggers giving us the news from the ground, plus the IDF giving us videos on YouTube - why do we need the MSM?
sky news: another arab apologist on ... jesus h christ - CAN ONE SKY NEWS DUMBASS JUST SHUT THESE WANKERS UP - lie after lie after LIE....
| 607 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:16:41pm |
re: #578 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
That's what she said.
Noooooo, I don't think we wanna take off on that kind of thread while the IDF is doing WhompAss on Hamas.
/rats!
| 608 |
hazzyday Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:16:45pm |
re: #529 Joo-LiZ
Yes, American centric is a good view of it. But still given the nature of the parties fighting I think some media bias.
Also, Doesn't Rupert Murdoch of Fox News water down his fair and balanced coverage based on input from his Saudi Investors?
| 609 |
yma o hyd Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:16:48pm |
While Hams Radio is talking about how they will kill all israelis, the Beeb reporter in gaza says that there are no reporters at all in the North of Gaza.
So - Hamas lies and propaganda.
Here's something from The Muqata:
'10:01 PM Reports of dozens of Hamas terrorists already killed in first contact gunbattles with IDF ground forces. (Israel Channel 2 TV)'
| 610 |
Lynn B. Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:16:57pm |
Possible airborne porker...
The EU presidency expressed support for the IDF ground operation in Gaza and said that the EU views the incursion as "defensive, not offensive". (Reuters)
[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]
| 611 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:16:59pm |
re: #596 jwb7605
Feel free to jump in with me and nevergiveup.
I'd be interested in your take.
I would point out that on areas where we might disagree, you are consistent and your points are valid.My take on Fox news is that they are not consistent, and some points are also not valid.
I like the colors and the reflections...way better than CNN
| 612 |
Blazer in RIC Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:17:01pm |
re: #600 Killgore Trout
"Another massive explosion in gaza."
That must have been the old folks home, right next to the orphange.
| 613 |
Jetpilot1101 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:17:06pm |
re: #598 Miss Molly
I have been truely suprised at the backlash against the press and media in general for their bias and propaganda agenda for the left. Many of the newspapers are in deep financial trouble (New York Times and LA Times) as who believes what they print anymore.TV news is a joke. I have no doubt these institutions are running scared because we "dummies" out here have figured out we don't need them at all.
Watch the media giants fall in the next few years. NYT won't be around much longer and when they declare Chapter 11 or better yet, Chapter 7, I'm throwing a huge bash!
| 614 |
jwb7605 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:17:26pm |
re: #588 Nevergiveup
Ok I'll go along with there. I am kinda worked up by this and hope all my friends and family over there are ok, so I tend to jump at things. And i wish FOX was even more to the right, but I'll take what I can get for the time being.
I don't want Fox to be "even more to the right". I want a news channel that reports accurately and consistently and completely.
| 616 |
Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:17:40pm |
re: #596 jwb7605
Feel free to jump in with me and nevergiveup.
I'd be interested in your take.
I would point out that on areas where we might disagree, you are consistent and your points are valid.My take on Fox news is that they are not consistent, and some points are also not valid.
What they broadcast on a daily basis such as interviews will 1) vary 2) and is NOT their editorial position 3) and many of their anchors such as Griffin here are not the greatest. With breaking news especially over the holidays they can't always get who they want to interview. And I think some of their interviews today have sucked but I do NOT agree with Charles that they have all been a parade of shills.
| 617 |
jamgarr Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:17:42pm |
CNN breakroom during a commercial:
"Sure, we hate those Israeli bastards, but MAN it's hard to put them on the spot when they just keep repeating that 'No rockets -No war' stuff!"
| 618 |
Dave the..... Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:17:50pm |
NY Nana. Great video.
It makes a point I always say.....if it was really about so called "Palestine", why not call for Jordan to give up it's land? Jordan occupies 80% of the area called Palestine.
| 619 |
opnion Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:17:50pm |
re: #589 Opinionated
The anchor they are using is their former correspondent in Israel. She always had an anti Israel bias in her reports.
I always thought that she was kind of an Arabist when she was a correspondent. Her point of view always baffled me.She's on now, jennifer something.
Earlier Jamie Colby slapped down a Hamas supporter.
| 620 |
solomonpanting Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:17:53pm |
Idiot reporter asking what were the other options at Israel's disposal besides a military attack.
| 621 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:18:07pm |
re: #606 buzzdroid
indeed.. when you have Israeli bloggers giving us the news from the ground, plus the IDF giving us videos on YouTube - why do we need the MSM?
sky news: another arab apologist on ... jesus h christ - CAN ONE SKY NEWS DUMBASS JUST SHUT THESE WANKERS UP - lie after lie after LIE....
See, talking is what the shill does - it's his job, he's paid by the hour (or word, depending on the contract) to do it, and so he does it.
Arab spokesmouths are all the same "blah, blah, blah, innocent children, women and old people.... blah, blah, blah, massacre.... blah. blah, blah resistance."
| 624 |
Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:18:41pm |
re: #614 jwb7605
I don't want Fox to be "even more to the right". I want a news channel that reports accurately and consistently and completely.
And what have they misreported today?
| 625 |
Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:18:43pm |
re: #614 jwb7605
I don't want Fox to be "even more to the right". I want a news channel that reports accurately and consistently and completely.
Damn... that would be the mother of all flying pigs.
/I'm out... later Lizards! Go IDF!
| 626 |
Occasional Reader Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:18:52pm |
re: #612 Blazer in RIC
"Another massive explosion in gaza."
That must have been the old folks home, right next to the orphange.
Or the petting zoo!
| 627 |
quickjustice Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:18:53pm |
re: #536 desdichado
I was in Paris back in March. I saw many Arab "youths", both male and female, turnstile-jumping in the Paris Metro. The Metro attendants did nothing. The "youths" were completely western in their dress and style, however. Short hair, clean cut, indistinguishable in appearance from non-Arab "youths", except dark-complected.
My impression, shallow as it was, was that these "youths" aren't Muslim extremists, but disaffected and unemployed children of Arab immigrants. They're juvenile delinquents for sure, but seemed to be assimilated in dress, general appearance, and language. If they could find jobs in the face of oppressive French labor policies, much of the problem would dissipate.
Britain's problem seems much worse. You have unassimilated groups of radical Muslims overtly defying British society, which is unwilling to defend itself.
| 628 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:18:55pm |
| 629 |
Maximu§ Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:19:02pm |
re: #620 solomonpanting
Idiot reporter asking what were the other options at Israel's disposal besides a military attack.
That reporters face is begging for a slap.
| 630 |
Dustyvet Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:19:21pm |
re: #625 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Damn... that would be the mother of all flying pigs.
/I'm out... later Lizards! Go IDF!
Later LT, take care.
| 631 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:19:34pm |
re: #626 Occasional Reader
Or the petting zoo!
A Pali petting zoo would be a pick-up joint for trans-species types, right?
| 633 |
jwb7605 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:19:41pm |
re: #620 solomonpanting
Idiot reporter asking what were the other options at Israel's disposal besides a military attack.
Direct talks with Iran.
/sheesh, softball question!
| 634 |
transient Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:19:47pm |
Now we get to hear Christiane play analyst. Let's listen...
Christiane of course reporting mosque strikes "which Israel says were used to store weapons" but we know we can't trust the Jews.
She keeps reinforcing the idea that this is Lebanon '06 all over again.
It better not be...if Jews really deserve our reputation for brains, the brightest military minds in Israel have better learned something. I believe they have. Barak and Chief of Staff Ashkenazi are two good men in a fight.
| 635 |
greenmiler Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:20:00pm |
May the IDF turn Hamas into a pink DNA mist
| 636 |
Fenway_Nation Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:20:19pm |
re: #571 buzzdroid
Not often you have distinguished military commanders with a known history of cross-dressing.
| 637 |
alegrias Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:20:21pm |
re: #516 Dianna
Well, as the Male just pointed out, baby milk powder, in the presence of an oxydizer, will go "boom" quite satisfactorily!
* * * *
Isn't breast feeding allowed in Islam? Why aren't there normal dairies in Gaza?
| 638 |
Dustyvet Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:20:24pm |
re: #631 Guanxi88
A Pali petting zoo would be a pick-up joint for trans-species types, right?
Or some twit in a Bee suit...
| 639 |
solomonpanting Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:20:38pm |
re: #629 Maximu§
That reporters face is begging for a slap.
That's a much easier task than a brain slap.
| 640 |
Picayune Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:20:48pm |
re: #552 Charles
Yea, they bummed me out w/ their dour tone - until I got into a little Motown's own, Marvin Gaye's "LET'S GET IT ON", and now I feel so much better. Happy hunting, IDF, and God Speed!
| 641 |
debutaunt Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:20:55pm |
re: #519 Dianna
The Male needs to work on my system.
Wish us luck!
We can see through your code words.
| 643 |
Digital Display Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:20:57pm |
Dear Palis in the Gaza strip..
When the rockets stop..we will stop..
Is it really that hard to understand?
| 644 |
NY Nana Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:21:10pm |
re: #425 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Re Foxnews? sodding Saudi billionaire Bin Talal owns a 5% interest
| 645 |
quickjustice Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:21:10pm |
re: #550 yma o hyd
The Czechs experienced communism within living memory, and they're not disposed to roll over for tyranny and nonsense. They're very tough, sensible people, as are the other peoples of Eastern Europe.
| 646 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:21:30pm |
re: #643 HoosierHoops
Dear Palis in the Gaza strip..
When the rockets stop..we will stop..
Is it really that hard to understand?
Indeed: no incoming from you, no incoming from us.
| 647 |
Blazer in RIC Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:21:39pm |
re: #628 pre-Boomer Marine brat
"Amanpour SHOULD be sent into the active war zone."
.......and she should drag Cynthia Mckinney with her as a shield.
| 648 |
Opinionated Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:21:46pm |
CNN live Interview minutes ago.
Israeli - In the North we are building hotels for peace and tourism while Hezbollah is rebuilding again with bunkers and arms under every home.
CNN anchor- So how will it end if it's again a cycle with each side shooting when they don't like what the other side is doing.
For CNN, building hotels equals preparing for war. It's a cycle.
| 649 |
Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:21:49pm |
| 650 |
jcm Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:22:23pm |
re: #592 Iron Fist
I prefer a chainsaw. It's more, um, visual. Or visceral. Or something like that...
:-)
| 651 |
itellu3times Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:22:27pm |
Ha, on this unfreshed page the old messages have the old icons and the new messages have the new icons. Buh-bye, old icons!
| 652 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:22:29pm |
re: #647 Blazer in RIC
"Amanpour SHOULD be sent into the active war zone."
.......and she should drag Cynthia Mckinney with her as a shield.
With Amy Goodman providing real-time reporting. I hate that bitter, angry cat-lady so effin' much I just can't stand it.
| 653 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:22:39pm |
arab apologist on sky news - "U.S. gave green light to israel to invade Gaza"
no shit sherlock!
too right they did!
| 654 |
psyop Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:23:17pm |
re: #594 buzzdroid
S'okay. I just shook it out over the sink. It still works. Maybe she won't notice.....
| 655 |
quickjustice Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:23:24pm |
re: #552 Charles
Murdoch is a bit of an opportunist. He supported Hillary Clinton in the last election cycle, for example. No doubt he's bending over for his Arab investors.
| 657 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:23:28pm |
| 658 |
transient Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:23:31pm |
Amanpour keeps reporting the civilian casualty figures (which Regev questioned as unreliable, since they came from not entirely disinterested Hamas sources) as reported by UN sources.
But what the media doesn't tell you is that the overwhelming majority of UN personnel in the Palestinian Territories are Palestinian. UNRWA is about 99% Palestinian.
| 659 |
alegrias Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:23:32pm |
re: #520 NY Nana
I got this video* from an Israeli who I have known since he was 3...he is almost 50 now....he was the one who was pro-Obama, and we used to fight about it. Now? He is sorry he voted for him, and scared for Israel.
On the radio: 4 IDF killed....may the enemy lose 1 million for every murdered Jew.
*The video is in English...you will see Hebrew before it starts.
* * * *
Dear NY Nana--got a "Holiday" newsletter from a friend who bragged last year she moderated a website called "Jews4Obama" and bragged she was one of the "first 100,000" contributors to Obama. I sensed disillusionment already, before Obama's even sworn the oath of office...bwahaha.
Bless the IDF.
| 660 |
yma o hyd Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:23:46pm |
israellycool also writes:
'10:08PM: Israel television is reporting that dozens of Hamasholes have already been killed.'
| 661 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:23:51pm |
arab apologist on sky news is now threatening terrorism against Europe because of Gaza...
STFU wanker...
when we bombed the Nazis and wiped them OUT , there were no more Nazis.
IDF is gonna do the same to Hamas... kill them all. No Hamas left.
its simple. its WAR.
| 662 |
Nevergiveup Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:23:52pm |
re: #655 quickjustice
Murdoch is a bit of an opportunist. He supported Hillary Clinton in the last election cycle, for example. No doubt he's bending over for his Arab investors.
He endorsed McCain
| 663 |
Dustyvet Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:24:29pm |
re: #653 buzzdroid
arab apologist on sky news - "U.S. gave green light to israel to invade Gaza"
no shit sherlock!
too right they did!
"Propaganda is a soft weapon; hold it in your hands too long, and it will move about like a snake, and strike the other way."
—Jean Anouilh, L'Alouette, 1952
| 665 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:25:02pm |
re: #652 Guanxi88
With Amy Goodman providing real-time reporting. I hate that bitter, angry cat-lady so effin' much I just can't stand it.
Don't insult Crazy Cat Lady by comparing her to Amy Goodman!
| 666 |
Dr. Shalit Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:25:08pm |
re: #626 Occasional Reader
Or the petting zoo!
"O-R" -
More probably the FUEL DEPOT. Hard to run "Ambulance Weapons Carriers" with NO GAS.
-S-
| 667 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:25:11pm |
re: #658 transient
Amanpour keeps reporting the civilian casualty figures (which Regev questioned as unreliable, since they came from not entirely disinterested Hamas sources) as reported by UN sources.
But what the media doesn't tell you is that the overwhelming majority of UN personnel in the Palestinian Territories are Palestinian. UNRWA is about 99% Palestinian.
In fact, I sort of always thought that the whole UNRWA (or am I thinking UNHCR?) was set up just for these displaced Egyptian and Jordanian subjects.
| 668 |
Miss Molly Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:25:14pm |
Jetpilot 1101 -- the New York Times might go this year with all their financial problems and now a big law suit against them for many millions. It couldn't happen to a nicer newspaper unless you want to include the LA Times.
I wish the IDF would let Amanpour into the combat zone and see how fast she disappears. She is such an idiot and proves that everythime she starts talking. I know she loves Hamas but she loves the camera a lot more.
| 669 |
jcbunga Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:25:24pm |
God protect them. They fight our enemy and the enemy of civilization. But for geography, it would be our troops going in. God protect them.
| 670 |
transient Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:25:38pm |
re: #648 Opinionated
CNN live Interview minutes ago.
Israeli - In the North we are building hotels for peace and tourism while Hezbollah is rebuilding again with bunkers and arms under every home.
CNN anchor- So how will it end if it's again a cycle with each side shooting when they don't like what the other side is doing.
For CNN, building hotels equals preparing for war. It's a cycle.
The existence of Israel is an act of aggression for the Palestinians and their apologists. Hotels are a sign that the Zionists intend to occupy the area for a long time. Ipso facto, hotels are sign of aggression.
| 671 |
Dustyvet Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:25:53pm |
re: #663 Dustyvet
"Propaganda is a soft weapon; hold it in your hands too long, and it will move about like a snake, and strike the other way."
—Jean Anouilh, L'Alouette, 1952
"A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
—Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back, 1976
| 672 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:26:10pm |
re: #663 Dustyvet
"Propaganda is a soft weapon; hold it in your hands too long, and it will move about like a snake, and strike the other way."
—Jean Anouilh, L'Alouette, 1952
/salute
that sir, is one AWESOME quote.
thank you!
| 673 |
martinsmithy Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:26:11pm |
Here in leftie capital Portland, the Oregonian printed a nauseating piece today by some British Hamas-lover named Richard Seale blaming the whole thing on Israel. This after earlier in the week printing the real truth from Charles Krauthammer.
Israel gave the Gazans more chances than they deserve. Time to clean up the mess, whatever it takes.
| 674 |
Dustyvet Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:26:41pm |
| 675 |
Outrider Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:26:42pm |
re: #483 Opinionated
JPost: IDF destroys rocket launcher operating in refugee camp cemetery
Expect a condemnation of Israel killing innocent already dead civilians.
potential Democrat voters? ;-)>
| 677 |
Dirk Diggler Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:27:27pm |
An unnecessary and disproportionate response.
If the ghouls from Gaza are going to indiscriminately target Israeli population centers with rockets, than Israel needs to respond by indiscriminately targeting Palestinian population centers with their rockets.
Like I've said before, give that strategy a week.
| 678 |
quickjustice Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:28:20pm |
re: #162 MandyManners
Anchoress: A Catholic nun in a position of authority in a convent.
| 679 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:28:24pm |
re: #652 Guanxi88
With Amy Goodman providing real-time reporting. I hate that bitter, angry cat-lady so effin' much I just can't stand it.
Seriously, I'll tune in to "Democracy Now" every now and then just to get a good hate-on and remember why I'm so mad.
| 680 |
mfarmer1 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:28:29pm |
Can you imagine the Allies in WWII dropping food and medicine to the German troops while at the same time preparing to immediately engage them in ground warfare?
Israel has put its own troops in more danger by essentially supplying their enemy immediately prior to a ground invasion. It's insane.
The people of Gaza voted for their terrorist government, and well, they're responsible for Hamas being in power and should be forced to deal with the consequences.
I fear this action will end up like southern Lebanon and only empower Hamas.
| 681 |
transient Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:28:40pm |
re: #667 Guanxi88
In fact, I sort of always thought that the whole UNRWA (or am I thinking UNHCR?) was set up just for these displaced Egyptian and Jordanian subjects.
You are correct. UNWRA deals ONLY with Palestinians. The UNHCR deals with ALL OTHER refugees. But the point is, the policy of the UNHCR is that the locals do not take care of their own. It is run as a professional, disinterested agency. With UNWRA, the inmates are running the asylum.
| 682 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:28:57pm |
********************************************************
CALLING ALL LIZARDS IN ISRAEL
somebody needs to get onto the Israeli government and get SOMEONE ONTO SKY NEWS NOW!
the amount of Hamas shilling is NON STOP...
i'll do my bit and get in touch with some israeli bloggers.
YOU ARE LOSING THE WAR ON SKY NEWS... STOP IT NOW!
**************************************************************
| 683 |
psyop Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:29:08pm |
re: #663 Dustyvet
"Propaganda is a soft weapon; hold it in your hands too long, and it will move about like a snake, and strike the other way."
—Jean Anouilh, L'Alouette, 1952
PSYOP is a tricky business.
Used properly, it can lead to great success. Used poorly, it can set things back years and cost lives.
| 684 |
Occasional Reader Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:29:10pm |
re: #648 Opinionated
For CNN, building hotels equals preparing for war. It's a cycle.
Israel has recently gone from building 3 star hotels to 4 stars. This is a dangerously provocative escalation.
/
| 685 |
yma o hyd Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:29:15pm |
The Muqata has something to say which all the talking heads on all our TV stations should really take to heart:
'The Muqata refuses to publish any messages from the Gaza and Hamas websites, which are designed purely for psychological warfare (and are highly unreliable). We stand by our reports and accuracy.'
| 686 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:29:32pm |
| 687 |
Grogtank Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:29:45pm |
| 688 |
Blazer in RIC Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:29:53pm |
I'll bet some Fatah guy's are phonin' some rich targeting shit in to The IDF. Sux 2 B a Ham-ass-hole right now.
| 689 |
transient Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:30:12pm |
re: #643 HoosierHoops
Dear Palis in the Gaza strip..
When the rockets stop..we will stop..
Is it really that hard to understand?
Apparently so. The media doesn't understand it either, and most of them have college degrees.
| 690 |
coldpizza Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:30:38pm |
The CNN news coverage is disgusting the reporter who interviewed the Israeli consulate ambassador is a complete twit.. CNN SUCKS!
| 691 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:30:40pm |
re: #688 Blazer in RIC
I'll bet some Fatah guy's are phonin' some rich targeting shit in to The IDF. Sux 2 B a Ham-ass-hole right now.
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised at all, assuming, of course, that any Fatah were still left in Gaza.
| 692 |
Cygnus Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:30:48pm |
re: #515 jwb7605
Which is exactly why I asked about the Amphibious Assault Vehicles.
GO IDF! You ROCK!
(OOH RAH!)
How do you say OOH RAH! in Hebrew? !HAR HOO
(smile)
Go IDF!
| 694 |
swamprat Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:31:21pm |
| 695 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:31:24pm |
re: #693 Occasional Reader
Going biking. Later.
Oh no you don't! this is too good to "go biking"! Get back in here and watch the war, buddy!
| 696 |
coldpizza Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:32:09pm |
re: #680 mfarmer1
Can you imagine the Allies in WWII dropping food and medicine to the German troops while at the same time preparing to immediately engage them in ground warfare?
Israel has put its own troops in more danger by essentially supplying their enemy immediately prior to a ground invasion. It's insane.
The people of Gaza voted for their terrorist government, and well, they're responsible for Hamas being in power and should be forced to deal with the consequences.
I fear this action will end up like southern Lebanon and only empower Hamas.
Not a chance the IDF has learned many lessons. Hamas will be crushed. And fuck the World opinion bigots. God Bless the IDF.
| 697 |
jwb7605 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:32:10pm |
re: #689 transient
Apparently so. The media doesn't understand it either, and most of them have college degrees.
We will know this operation is a success when we hear about it from the MSM as much as we hear about Iraq presently.
I wonder what Harry Reid's take is?
| 698 |
alegrias Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:32:22pm |
re: #644 NY Nana
Re Foxnews? sodding Saudi billionaire Bin Talal owns a 5% interest
* * * *
Well, dear Nana, who do you think is going to bail out our US Treasury? People with cash, that's who! People we sent our cash to, oil ticks that is.
Which is just another reason Sarah Palin's "Drill Baby, Drill" was music to my ears.
| 700 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:32:25pm |
| 703 |
Blazer in RIC Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:33:06pm |
re: #692 Cygnus
That would be, Hoo-ck, Rah-ck !
| 704 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:33:37pm |
re: #701 ploome hineni
Amanpour whining that Israel will not allow journalists into GAza
that bitch hasn' t yet figured out she could enter Gaza through Egypt?
Those tunnels work for goats - which she resembles - and weapons - which she is - why not for her?
| 705 |
mattm Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:33:39pm |
good lick IDF, stay safe.
Obama, welcome to the real world.
| 706 |
transient Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:34:19pm |
re: #673 martinsmithy
Here in leftie capital Portland, the Oregonian printed a nauseating piece today by some British Hamas-lover named Richard Seale blaming the whole thing on Israel. This after earlier in the week printing the real truth from Charles Krauthammer.
Israel gave the Gazans more chances than they deserve. Time to clean up the mess, whatever it takes.
Patrick Seale is a well known, long time extreme left Arab apologist. This is a guy who lived in Syria (willingly) and supported the Baathist regime. I have a book of his (before I knew who he was) that essentially claimed the Abu Nidal terror organization was set up and supported by Israel.
Does that clarify things for ya?!
| 707 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:34:32pm |
re: #705 mattm
good lick IDF, stay safe.
Obama, welcome to the real world.
Was this what Biden was talking about? Or did he even know what he was saying when he said it?
| 709 |
solomonpanting Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:35:06pm |
re: #701 ploome hineni
Amanpour whining that Israel will not allow journalists into GAza
that bitch hasn' t yet figured out she could enter Gaza through Egypt?
Also, she says Israel's end game is not known. Imagine that.
| 710 |
alegrias Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:35:09pm |
re: #655 quickjustice
Murdoch is a bit of an opportunist. He supported Hillary Clinton in the last election cycle, for example. No doubt he's bending over for his Arab investors.
* * *
Better than getting screwed by Madoff!
Sorry not going to demonize Murdoch for taking cash from people willing to invest with him.
| 711 |
Cygnus Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:35:13pm |
| 712 |
Dustyvet Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:36:24pm |
| 713 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:36:38pm |
BIG bomb just went off near some Hamas shill on the phone to Sky
( an "aid worker" in Gaza... yeah suuuurrrreee.... )
| 715 |
yma o hyd Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:37:30pm |
Lots more interesting information from Carl in Jerusalem
Good stuff - go and read it!
| 716 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:37:32pm |
Isaac Herzog, Israeli Minister, is on the phone to Sky now...
either their PR team must have noticed the sky team - or someone tipped them off.
GOOD JOB..
| 717 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:37:37pm |
re: #707 Guanxi88
Was this what Biden was talking about? Or did he even know what he was saying when he said it?
I doubt that this was what Biden was alluding to.
I doubt it VERY much.
I think he and 0 had been briefed on something far heavier.
| 718 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:37:58pm |
errgh typo - "sky news" , rather than "sky team"...
| 719 |
Blazer in RIC Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:38:10pm |
re: #713 buzzdroid
"BIG bomb just went off near some Hamas shill on the phone to Sky"
That no doubt was inside of a playground next to a school.
-sarc
| 720 |
Opinionated Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:38:42pm |
Every word out of Amanpour and Widerman is an attempt to demoralize Israel.
Hey Hamas:
Did you know that Amanpour sleeps with a Jew?
Just saying.
| 721 |
solomonpanting Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:38:45pm |
Imapoho is interviewing a guy who says one cannot separate Hamas from Pali infrastructure. How sad for Pali infrastrucutre.
| 722 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:38:48pm |
re: #702 2senseplain
Main fuel depot, actually.
Good targeting decision. Hamas wants a medieval state in Gaza, Israel is giving them their wish.
Like the song says, "Be careful what you wish for"...
| 723 |
jwb7605 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:39:11pm |
re: #715 yma o hyd
Lots more interesting information from Carl in Jerusalem
Good stuff - go and read it!
he also says:
UPDATE 9:15 PMCharles Johnson gets it right.
| 724 |
Elcid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:39:41pm |
Probably stated...but...Best to you honorable and brave.
I'm sure the IDF is aware that these "genius" insects, of their brand new toys, like IED's, brave men dressed in burka's with bomb belts, women coerced into wearing bomb vests, children trained to wear explosives.
You should have learned from our mistakes in Iraq, Israel. We thought these people, turned insects of Islam had hearts, minds and souls. They have none of those.
Of course you already knew that, but you ain't seen nothing yet. Wait until your Leftists take their side, as your young and brave die or are wounded. The only thing I don't believe you DO have, is a nut church headed by anyone named Phelps.
| 725 |
yma o hyd Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:40:19pm |
| 726 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:40:49pm |
re: #714 ploome hineni
the attitude of the CNN reporters while talking to Israelis and about Israel is disgusting
Well, who's surprised, really? The deck is stacked from the word "go" against Israel. You've got latent Western antisemitism (a very minor force, until about the last decade or so) feeding into anti-imperialist posturing by academics, supported by a pop-culture that idolizes murderers, and fueled by Arab petro-dollars (although that's starting to change. Sorry, guys, but the oil-tick days are numbered, it seems.)
Par for the course, really. Israel is hated because: 1) They're Jewish, at least nominally; 2) They're Western; 3) They're successful' and 4) Unlike their neighbors, you can talk smack about them without getting your car blown up or your granny sent to you in little pieces.
They're a safe and comforting target.
| 728 |
zombie Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:42:09pm |
re: #384 pre-Boomer Marine brat
I saw your comment, but I don't have RealPlayer - -and by the time I was getting around to answering you, Joo-Liz had already solved the problem!
| 729 |
jamgarr Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:42:11pm |
War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen, and I say let us give them all they want.
William Tecumseh Sherman
| 730 |
jcm Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:43:19pm |
re: #717 pre-Boomer Marine brat
I doubt that this was what Biden was alluding to.
I doubt it VERY much.
I think he and 0 had been briefed on something far heavier.
We're looking at Thugo in Venezuela going into a neighbor. Russian going into Ukraine. Or Iran uncorking a nuc.
| 731 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:43:21pm |
re: #636 Fenway_Nation
Not often you have distinguished military commanders with a known history of cross-dressing.
ha... yeah - saw that in that film "Munich"...
wow - talk about a stealth attack... brave fuckers!
| 732 |
zombie Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:43:39pm |
re: #557 harrisam
Zombie,
I used "Snapz Pro X" to record the video you asked for. Its 200+ MB now. I can make it smaller & probably email it if you want. Let me know.Harris
Unfortunately, "Joo-Liz" already downloaded it and emailed it to me, by the time I saw your comment!
Sorry you went to the trouble and I ended up not using it! The help is much appreciated, nonetheless.
| 733 |
Dr. Shalit Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:43:40pm |
re: #715 yma o hyd
Lots more interesting information from Carl in Jerusalem
Good stuff - go and read it!
yma -
The THREE DIRECTIONS that I know of are - Southward, from a column north of the city, Northward, from a column south of the city and Eastward From The MED. If so, congratulations Min. of Def. Barak!
-S-
| 734 |
least Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:44:06pm |
Today, we listened to a speaker who's lived in Israel for years.
Said that one of the tactics employed by Israeli-Arabs was to take over Christian homes, establish a sniper position and snipe at IDF troops.
The IDF would respond by blowing the crap out of the location where hostile fire was coming from.
Then the "militants" would point out to anyone who'd listen [ MSM ] how the eeeeeevil joooooooz were blowing up Christian homes.
Imagine the reporting that'll result from this.
| 735 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:44:10pm |
re: #728 zombie
I saw your comment, but I don't have RealPlayer - -and by the time I was getting around to answering you, Joo-Liz had already solved the problem!
I kind of figured that.
| 736 |
alegrias Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:44:11pm |
re: #687 Grogtank
Speaking of President Reagan, I wish he had him here today.
* * * * *
Wow, thanks for sharing Ronald Reagan's 1964 speech about Rendezvous with Destiny & PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH! THAT was a Man and a Mensch.
(I'm reading a Christmas present of Pres. Reagan's Diaries by Doug Brinkley).
| 737 |
zombie Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:44:44pm |
re: #475 Militant-Infidel
Zombie:
Here is the actual URL for the video:
[Link: mfile.akamai.com...]
MI
How did you ascertain that? Good detective work!
| 738 |
Picayune Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:45:02pm |
re: #714 ploome hineni
Yea, but what do you expect from these turds. Why not give then some instant feedback on their excuse for historical news coverage - email this little ditty to CNN's comment section - just to let them know how many of us feel on this wonderful, much awaited - happy day!
| 740 |
Joo-LiZ Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:46:05pm |
Muqata reports over 50 terrorists killed.
Already? Damn, the IDF is good.
50 down, somewhere between 1450 and 14950 still to go.
(according to estimates that there are 1500 harcore-Hamasholes, and a total of 15000 Hamas "reserves" consisting of 15-16 year old boys)
| 741 |
RedDish Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:47:12pm |
Charles, may I take this opportunity to again thank you for your work on this blog! The improvements you've made over the time I've been registered have made LGF the place to go for quick, accurate information.
And may I also say that a 'new comments' button should, by law, be a requirement on every single right-thinking blog.
Thank you.
| 742 |
yma o hyd Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:47:20pm |
re: #733 Dr. Shalit
The spokesperson of the IDF made the very strong point that they have trained for urban warfare, and are much better prepared than for the Lebanon war.
I think there are far too many talking heads, besides the usual moonbats, who have swallowed the hamasthugs propaganda hook, line and sinker - and do not hear what the IDF says, never mind actually opening their eyes and seeing waht the IDF and IAF have actually done in the last eight days.
| 743 |
debutaunt Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:47:36pm |
re: #695 Guanxi88
Oh no you don't! this is too good to "go biking"! Get back in here and watch the war, buddy!
During WWII, people didn't just leave and go bike riding. It was different then.
| 744 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:47:38pm |
re: #736 alegrias
* * * * *
Wow, thanks for sharing Ronald Reagan's 1964 speech about Rendezvous with Destiny & PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH! THAT was a Man and a Mensch.(I'm reading a Christmas present of Pres. Reagan's Diaries by Doug Brinkley).
much as i also love Reagan, bear in mind that he ran away from Lebanon, rather than facing up to Hezbollah.
it was the FRENCH - yes the FRENCH - who carried out bombing raids on Hezbollah in the aftermath of the Beirut U.S. Marine bombings...
he got bad advise admittedly though.
imagine how the world would look if Reagan ignored the advice and had a "war on islamic terror" as well as a "war on communism" back in 1982...
both were interlinked at the time - soviet arms going to syria, iran and the PLO and such like...
| 745 |
Dustyvet Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:48:05pm |
re: #742 yma o hyd
The spokesperson of the IDF made the very strong point that they have trained for urban warfare, and are much better prepared than for the Lebanon war.
I think there are far too many talking heads, besides the usual moonbats, who have swallowed the hamasthugs propaganda hook, line and sinker - and do not hear what the IDF says, never mind actually opening their eyes and seeing waht the IDF and IAF have actually done in the last eight days.
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
- Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Propaganda Minister
| 746 |
Elcid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:48:42pm |
re: #740 Joo-LiZ
Muqata reports over 50 terrorists killed.
Already? Damn, the IDF is good.
50 down, somewhere between 1450 and 14950 still to go.
(according to estimates that there are 1500 harcore-Hamasholes, and a total of 15000 Hamas "reserves" consisting of 15-16 year old boys)
Probably spot on...NOT counting Hezbollah and Quds sent gratis, Persia.
| 747 |
transient Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:48:44pm |
Be back in a bit...talking with friend in Israel at the moment.
| 748 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:49:19pm |
re: #740 Joo-LiZ
Muqata reports over 50 terrorists killed.
Already? Damn, the IDF is good.
50 down, somewhere between 1450 and 14950 still to go.
(according to estimates that there are 1500 harcore-Hamasholes, and a total of 15000 Hamas "reserves" consisting of 15-16 year old boys)
wow - thats fast. sound likes they know where the Hamassholes are.
that'll put the fear of God into the rest of the HamasoNazis... there's this lethal killing machine gradually inching its way towards you....
| 749 |
Mich-again Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:49:28pm |
Wondering what the Iranians are plotting with Hexbollah right now.
As for their proxy army in Gaza, they are in deep shit.
| 750 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:49:36pm |
re: #730 jcm
We're looking at Thugo in Venezuela going into a neighbor. Russian going into Ukraine. Or Iran uncorking a nuc.
I don't know - BHO's constituents seemed to like old Hugo, don't know where Russia or the Ukraine would be, and think that Iran with a nuke is no problem at all. Their first instinct in all cases (and I include Chavez, who's railed against zionist conspiracies against his revolution and his life; Putin et al, who back Iran for reasons having to do with "the great game", and Iran, whose leadership want Israel gone and Jews dead) will be to blame Israel.
"See," they're saying to themselves even now, "the Obamessiah's commander of the faithful was right. A manufactured crisis has been concocted to delay our immanentizing of the eschaton. Hope, Change, Peace - the Israelis just won'r get on board."
| 751 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:49:46pm |
Ribbono shel Olam- so it begins- Had to come here when I heard the news- got a call that my Israeli friends have 3 sons fighting. . .Ribbono shel Olam!
My love, thoughts and prayers and strength to you IDF and ISRAEL!
| 753 |
Dustyvet Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:50:14pm |
re: #745 Dustyvet
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
- Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Propaganda Minister
That was directed toward Hamas and it's MSM supporters.
| 754 |
Joo-LiZ Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:50:32pm |
re: #750 Guanxi88
I don't know - BHO's constituents seemed to like old Hugo, don't know where Russia or the Ukraine would be, and think that Iran with a nuke is no problem at all. Their first instinct in all cases (and I include Chavez, who's railed against zionist conspiracies against his revolution and his life; Putin et al, who back Iran for reasons having to do with "the great game", and Iran, whose leadership want Israel gone and Jews dead) will be to blame Israel.
"See," they're saying to themselves even now, "the Obamessiah's commander of the faithful was right. A manufactured crisis has been concocted to delay our immanentizing of the eschaton. Hope, Change, Peace - the Israelis just won'r get on board."
It occurs to me that this operation certainly will bring change to the Middle East situation -- it just may not be the change the left was hoping for.
| 755 |
Ojoe Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:50:35pm |
re: #652 Guanxi88
I have the deepest contempt for that vile Amy Goodman person.
Ooooh, Dante would have a place for her.
| 756 |
Cygnus Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:50:58pm |
re: #712 Dustyvet
Think I missed that one...:(
here you go. That was Farfour the Bee showing the kiddies how to love cute little animals. ////
| 757 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:51:04pm |
re: #739 zombie
Thanks for the offer of help in any case!
You are VERY welcome.
You are also VERY much appreciated!
| 758 |
Throbert McGee Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:51:34pm |
Cue the endless variations of "Hopes for Peace Dashed as Israel Invades Gaza" from MSM headline writers...
| 759 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:51:40pm |
re: #754 Joo-LiZ
It occurs to me that this operation certainly will bring change to the Middle East situation -- it just may not be the change the left was hoping for.
Roger that! Anything that involves a few fewer of them is a good thing all around, and to be encouraged. Go IDF!
| 760 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:51:45pm |
re: #741 RedDish
Charles, may I take this opportunity to again thank you for your work on this blog! The improvements you've made over the time I've been registered have made LGF the place to go for quick, accurate information.
And may I also say that a 'new comments' button should, by law, be a requirement on every single right-thinking blog.
Thank you.
I will add that without this site, I would be a puddle of depressed Jew. . .thanks to you all who support my fellow Jews in Israel and everywhere. . .you can feel so alone if all watch or read is MSM. . .
| 761 |
Dustyvet Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:52:00pm |
re: #756 Cygnus
here you go. That was Farfour the Bee showing the kiddies how to love cute little animals. ////
Oh thanks, I had forgot that one.
| 762 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:52:05pm |
sky news reporter : close combat going on now between Hamas and the IDF in the north of gaza.
sustained fighting going on now.
God bless the IDF - thoughts , prayers are with you...
| 764 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:53:12pm |
re: #762 buzzdroid
sky news reporter : close combat going on now between Hamas and the IDF in the north of gaza.
sustained fighting going on now.
God bless the IDF - thoughts , prayers are with you...
Go GO GO! G-d Bless. . .
| 765 |
alegrias Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:53:35pm |
re: #744 buzzdroid
much as i also love Reagan, bear in mind that he ran away from Lebanon, rather than facing up to Hezbollah.
it was the FRENCH - yes the FRENCH - who carried out bombing raids on Hezbollah in the aftermath of the Beirut U.S. Marine bombings...
he got bad advise admittedly though.
imagine how the world would look if Reagan ignored the advice and had a "war on islamic terror" as well as a "war on communism" back in 1982...
both were interlinked at the time - soviet arms going to syria, iran and the PLO and such like...
* * * * *
Yes, Reagan could have done better against islamofascists. You know he wanted to avenge the murders of our troops and the Achille Lauro victim Leon Klinghoffer and many others. Reagan's diaries are full of his anguish over these murders.
He had his hands full bringing down the Iron Curtain and reversing some of Jimmy Carter's and liberals damaging demoralizing attacks on America.
| 766 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:54:02pm |
re: #749 Mich-again
Wondering what the Iranians are plotting with Hexbollah right now.
As for their proxy army in Gaza, they are in deep shit.
read a comment in another thread that Ehud Barak has directly threatened Nasrallah. with what , i dont know... but one can only imagine that the threat must have been serious enough for Hez to hold back.
my guess is that it must have involved some sort of Mossad threat that spooked Nasrallah...
| 767 |
yma o hyd Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:54:37pm |
Info from Carl in Jerusalem:
'UPDATE 10:20 PM
Israel Radio is reporting that since Israel cut off the Philadelphi corridor, the 'Palestinians' have no way to get ammunition beyond what they currently have available to them.'
Heh.
And from israellycool we read that '10:30PM: The IDF earlier imposed a naval blockade on Gaza.'
Sucks, doesn't it, hamasholes!
| 768 |
Mich-again Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:54:46pm |
Is there a Green Helmet Guy in Gaza yet? By tomorrow I am guessing.
| 769 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:55:06pm |
re: #755 Ojoe
I have the deepest contempt for that vile Amy Goodman person.
Ooooh, Dante would have a place for her.
With fire, you think, or with cold? Me? I'm partial to cold - closer to Judeccum, for the traitors.
| 770 |
Joo-LiZ Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:55:23pm |
re: #766 buzzdroid
read a comment in another thread that Ehud Barak has directly threatened Nasrallah. with what , i dont know... but one can only imagine that the threat must have been serious enough for Hez to hold back.
my guess is that it must have involved some sort of Mossad threat that spooked Nasrallah...
I think it more likely that Hizballah's handlers in Syria and Iran are holding the leash tight.
I'm still expectant something will flare up there before this is all over, but I have a suspicion that's just what the IDF is waiting on.
| 771 |
alegrias Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:55:39pm |
re: #749 Mich-again
Wondering what the Iranians are plotting with Hexbollah right now.
As for their proxy army in Gaza, they are in deep shit.
* * *
Iranians are plotting and IRAQ's president Al Maliki is right there in Tehran, singing along with Ahmedinejad--that Israel's actions are criminal.
F. Al Maliki, may he be shoe assaulted & toppled one day by a better, pro-Israeli Iraqi leader.
| 772 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:56:31pm |
re: #765 alegrias
* * * * *
Yes, Reagan could have done better against islamofascists. You know he wanted to avenge the murders of our troops and the Achille Lauro victim Leon Klinghoffer and many others. Reagan's diaries are full of his anguish over these murders.He had his hands full bringing down the Iron Curtain and reversing some of Jimmy Carter's and liberals damaging demoralizing attacks on America.
indeed.. i didnt mean to criticise the Gipper.. good man , who liberated hundreds of millions of people.
he just got seriously BAD advice. iran/contra is another one... i can understand the motives, but by god did that make America look "weak" to the Iranians...
but no matter - he ended communism and liberated millions in eastern europe. thats more than any "peace protestor" or "anti-nuke campaigner" ever did. he did enough. and thats ok with me.
| 773 |
Opilio Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:56:38pm |
A couple of the more popular posts on this topic over at Koz:
What I do know about Hamas... (15+ / 0-) (15 updings)
is that they have expressed a willingness to negotiate with Israel.
...
Which one is the terrorist again? (19+ / 0-) (19 updings)
Israel has publicly stated that they will use military violence to effect a change in political leadership in Gaza. That is the textbook definition of terrorism.
O RLY?
| 774 |
yma o hyd Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:57:02pm |
re: #745 Dustyvet
It pains me to say this, but Goebbels knew indeed more about propaganda than anybody else, either then or now.
It really pays to study what he said - the hamasholes and other jihadists are all trying to apply what he taught ...
| 775 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:57:25pm |
re: #770 Joo-LiZ
I think it more likely that Hizballah's handlers in Syria and Iran are holding the leash tight.
I'm still expectant something will flare up there before this is all over, but I have a suspicion that's just what the IDF is waiting on.
Syria has too many internal problems to keep lids on- I am guessing they do NOT was to attack and have IDF in just now. . .
| 776 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:57:27pm |
re: #773 Opilio
A couple of the more popular posts on this topic over at Koz:
O RLY?
You know, if you go over to places like that, you should take a shower or something (penicillin?) before you come back in here.
| 777 |
Dr. Shalit Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:57:35pm |
re: #767 yma o hyd
Info from Carl in Jerusalem:
'UPDATE 10:20 PM
Israel Radio is reporting that since Israel cut off the Philadelphi corridor, the 'Palestinians' have no way to get ammunition beyond what they currently have available to them.'Heh.
And from israellycool we read that '10:30PM: The IDF earlier imposed a naval blockade on Gaza.'
Sucks, doesn't it, hamasholes!
yma -
NO AMMUNITION in the South, NO GAS in the North - sounds like a PLAN to me.
-S-
| 778 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:58:01pm |
re: #777 Dr. Shalit
yma -
NO AMMUNITION in the South, NO GAS in the North - sounds like a PLAN to me.
-S-
I love it when a plan comes together.
| 779 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:58:04pm |
re: #768 Mich-again
Is there a Green Helmet Guy in Gaza yet? By tomorrow I am guessing.
and he'll have a teddy bear and several santa claus cards in his back pack.
guess he must be practising his wailing right now in the mirror. all getting ready for the big day tommorow..
dont forget the "pointing at something , in front of smoke, while wailing " Green Helmet Guy!
| 780 |
yma o hyd Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:58:18pm |
re: #748 buzzdroid
Do you also get the feeling that there may be special forces operating inside Gaza?
| 781 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:58:42pm |
re: #780 yma o hyd
Do you also get the feeling that there may be special forces operating inside Gaza?
They'd better, or they're losing their touch.
| 782 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:59:13pm |
re: #777 Dr. Shalit
yma -
NO AMMUNITION in the South, NO GAS in the North - sounds like a PLAN to me.
-S-
Silly goose. . .I believe this will be spun as a humaitarian crisis in 5. . .4. . .
for the people who elected the terrorists. . .in the first place. . .wait. . .
| 783 |
Dr. Shalit Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:59:23pm |
| 784 |
earth56 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 12:59:44pm |
Off I go to Israel this Tuesday to visit my Mom
I'll give my best from the Lizard community
Thanks Charles for being a true blue friend
| 785 |
jamgarr Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:00:17pm |
re: #784 earth56
Off I go to Israel this Tuesday to visit my Mom
I'll give my best from the Lizard community
Thanks Charles for being a true blue friend
Stay safe
| 786 |
Joo-LiZ Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:00:20pm |
re: #781 Guanxi88
They'd better, or they're losing their touch.
I've heard from friends with text-messaging contacts within the IDF that special forces have been operating inside Gaza since the beginning, scoping out targets for the IAF and helping lay the groundwork in general for the assault.
I'd believe it, although I don't know how they could move around without Hamas freaking out about it.
| 787 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:00:22pm |
re: #774 yma o hyd
It pains me to say this, but Goebbels knew indeed more about propaganda than anybody else, either then or now.
It really pays to study what he said - the hamasholes and other jihadists are all trying to apply what he taught ...
yup agree.
its a stereotype to portray the Nazis as dumbass rednecks from Bavaria - they were VERY intelligent, very well versed in politics and policy, and knew EXACTLY what they were doing.
which makes them even more scarey.
/been reading a few books on the third reich over the past few years that will put a chill in your bones...
| 788 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:00:29pm |
re: #782 DisturbedEma
Silly goose. . .I believe this will be spun as a humaitarian crisis in 5. . .4. . .
for the people who elected the terrorists. . .in the first place. . .wait. . .
True, but then, it was already a crisis and a siege before it started, so what's to lose?
On a side note - when they've run out of ammo, they're moderates then, right?
| 789 |
nyc redneck Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:00:51pm |
hamas never considered peace an option.
by their own admission, they will not rest until they drive the jews into the sea.
israel is doing the right thing by eliminating these barbarians.
and anyone around the world, crying crocodile tears for these scum, should take a look at how dangerous and monstrous they really are.
they bring nothing to humanity except vicious jihad.
it is a lie to say they are anything more terrorists.
israel is fighting for it's life now.
the civilized world should be applauding and encouraging them.
i pray they succeed. i pray no israeli soldier is lost.
and no innocent life taken.
| 790 |
Joo-LiZ Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:00:55pm |
re: #784 earth56
Off I go to Israel this Tuesday to visit my Mom
I'll give my best from the Lizard community
Thanks Charles for being a true blue friend
Stay safe indeed.
| 791 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:01:27pm |
| 792 |
yma o hyd Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:01:32pm |
re: #758 Throbert McGee
Cue the endless variations of "Hopes for Peace Dashed as Israel Invades Gaza" from MSM headline writers...
I really don't understand why they're all so in love with Hamas, especially the female talking heads.
They never seem to have payed the least attention to what islam will do to them ...
| 793 |
earth56 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:01:36pm |
| 794 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:01:58pm |
re: #784 earth56
Off I go to Israel this Tuesday to visit my Mom
I'll give my best from the Lizard community
Thanks Charles for being a true blue friend
Go well. . .safe travels. . .
| 795 |
Joo-LiZ Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:02:05pm |
re: #787 buzzdroid
yup agree.
its a stereotype to portray the Nazis as dumbass rednecks from Bavaria - they were VERY intelligent, very well versed in politics and policy, and knew EXACTLY what they were doing.
which makes them even more scarey.
/been reading a few books on the third reich over the past few years that will put a chill in your bones...
Yeah, it is something quite overlooked. They were very heavily "intellectual".
Philosophical, scientific, and utterly deranged and devoid of any humanity.
| 796 |
Mich-again Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:02:09pm |
re: #771 alegrias
According to this story from Ynet Saeed Jalili, the secretary of Iran's Supreme National Security Council, is set to meet with leadership in Lebanon.
Following his visit to Syria, Jalili is expected to continue to Lebanon for a series of meetings with the country's senior officials.
Thats code for Hexbollah.
| 798 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:02:18pm |
re: #780 yma o hyd
Do you also get the feeling that there may be special forces operating inside Gaza?
wouldnt surprise me. Ehud Barak is ex-special forces himself.
in order to acheive complete dominance quickly, it HAS to involve special forces eliminating key top hamas targets quickly. destroy the command and control.
ground forces serving as mopping up against the lower hamas ranks.
| 799 |
Joo-LiZ Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:02:18pm |
re: #795 Joo-LiZ
Yeah, it is something quite overlooked. They were very heavily "intellectual".
Philosophical, scientific, and utterly deranged and devoid of any
humanitycompassion.
| 800 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:03:04pm |
re: #791 DisturbedEma
That is unlikely. . .
Which is why I'd assume special operations folks were on the ground for some time.
Interesting thing, isn't it? IDF special units infiltrate Arab areas, and stay hidden and do their job like professionals? Arabs infiltrate Israeli areas, and they sort of spontaneously explode when they get in close proximity to the helpless and the innocent.
Purity of arms.
| 802 |
2senseplain Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:04:31pm |
re: #777 Dr. Shalit
AND the electricity is off in most of Gaza.
| 803 |
layzrydr Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:04:56pm |
Mosab Hassan Yousef will be on Fox News tonight at 9PM (NY).
Youesf the son of Hassan Yousf, a Gaza sheikh and one of the founders of Hamas, coverted to Christianity.
Should be interesting.
| 804 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:05:08pm |
re: #795 Joo-LiZ
Yeah, it is something quite overlooked. They were very heavily "intellectual".
Philosophical, scientific, and utterly deranged and devoid of any humanity.
And yet, they had some really bat-sh*t crazy ideas here and there, too. I'm thinking of all that whacky occultism and bizarro pseudo-science they were doing. Ever read about the SS expedition to Tibet during the war? Looking for aryan ancestors and their descendants or signs of their culture. Mind-blowing.
| 805 |
Mich-again Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:05:09pm |
re: #779 buzzdroid
And printing up signs that say Baby Milk Factory for the bombed out weapon depots.
| 806 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:05:10pm |
re: #795 Joo-LiZ
Yeah, it is something quite overlooked. They were very heavily "intellectual".
Philosophical, scientific, and utterly deranged and devoid of any humanity.
yup - the current "intellectual left" in Europe shares many characteristics with the Nazi movement. you have to read a bit of history, but the similarities are there. just look at any "free gaza" or "anti-war" protest. there are two constant themes - anti-Jew (the "Zionist conspiracy") and anti-America.
| 807 |
transient Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:05:47pm |
Back...
CNN of course repeating that a mosque was targeted without repeating the fact it was used to store weapons.
My friends, who are neither right wing nor religious, (but are pretty cynical) say the IDF should just level Gaza. They are worried about the soldiers.
They also say some of their ultra-lib coworkers say, even in context of Hamastan, there is nothing that can't be negotiated and war is not the answer. Un.believable.
| 808 |
solomonpanting Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:07:41pm |
IDF: Anyone who hides a terrorist or weapons is considered a terrorist.
| 809 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:07:52pm |
re: #806 buzzdroid
yup - the current "intellectual left" in Europe shares many characteristics with the Nazi movement. you have to read a bit of history, but the similarities are there. just look at any "free gaza" or "anti-war" protest. there are two constant themes - anti-Jew (the "Zionist conspiracy") and anti-America.
Not to hijack the thread, but Strauss pointed this out - the best minds of the 20th century fell into Nazism lock stock and barrel. It wasn't necessarily that Nazism was so compelling as it was that modern thought was so weak and impure. Heidegger, a staggering demi-god of intelligence, was a hard-core Nazi well after the end of the war.
Strauss noticed it, others did too: something went horribly wrong in Western thought some time ago.
| 810 |
alegrias Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:07:57pm |
re: #792 yma o hyd
I really don't understand why they're all so in love with Hamas, especially the female talking heads.
They never seem to have payed the least attention to what islam will do to them ...
* * *
Oh come off it. Same reason "journalists" and liberals get weak in the knees with 85 year old Fidel Castro. Dancing with the Devil it's called.
| 811 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:08:13pm |
Ehud Barak on AGAIN .. english language statement
Sky news.
| 812 |
Mich-again Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:08:29pm |
re: #807 transient
My friends, who are neither right wing nor religious, (but are pretty cynical) say the IDF should just level Gaza.
What like Assad Sr. did to the city of Hama? That's how an Arab regime deals with terrorists who infiltrate an entire city. And no one else in the Arab world seemed to care much.
| 813 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:09:08pm |
re: #809 Guanxi88
Not to hijack the thread, but Strauss pointed this out - the best minds of the 20th century fell into Nazism lock stock and barrel. It wasn't necessarily that Nazism was so compelling as it was that modern thought was so weak and impure. Heidegger, a staggering demi-god of intelligence, was a hard-core Nazi well after the end of the war.
Strauss noticed it, others did too: something went horribly wrong in Western thought some time ago.
and H.G. Wells too... thought that fascism was the way forward.
see the Jonah Goldberg book "Liberal Fascism"
| 814 |
Opilio Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:09:13pm |
re: #776 Guanxi88
You know, if you go over to places like that, you should take a shower or something (penicillin?) before you come back in here.
I generally don a level 4 HazMat suit before I venture out, and incinerate it upon my return.
| 815 |
yma o hyd Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:09:15pm |
re: #777 Dr. Shalit
To me as well - I think the IDF has the upper hand and has been dictating the events, unlike in Lebanon in 2006.
Right now an israeli spokesman (Mark Regev)is tearing a new one on the Beeb female reporter.
Heh - and she's 'threatening' him with Sarkozy coming on Monday ...
She cannot answer, she's reeling off her prepared questions, with throbbing voice.
I'm suddenly really despising all these female reporters ...
| 816 |
alegrias Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:09:40pm |
| 817 |
earth56 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:09:42pm |
re: #807 transient
Back...
CNN of course repeating that a mosque was targeted without repeating the fact it was used to store weapons.My friends, who are neither right wing nor religious, (but are pretty cynical) say the IDF should just level Gaza. They are worried about the soldiers.
They also say some of their ultra-lib coworkers say, even in context of Hamastan, there is nothing that can't be negotiated and war is not the answer. Un.believable.
Libs seem to think that we could possibly be wrong that the earth is oval and we should look into it further
sarc/
| 818 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:10:28pm |
re: #812 Mich-again
What like Assad Sr. did to the city of Hama? That's how an Arab regime deals with terrorists who infiltrate an entire city. And no one else in the Arab world seemed to care much.
est 15,000 dead in that operation.
no more Jihadi problem in Syria after that.
yup - they literally surrounded the city with artillery and levelled the place.
/note to moonbats : how come you dont know about the levelling of the city of Hama?
| 819 |
6pat6 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:10:56pm |
re: #807 transient
T
hey also say some of their ultra-lib coworkers say, even in context of Hamastan, there is nothing that can't be negotiated and war is not the answer. Un.believable.
The Lefty mantra - Why don't they like us? My answer to them - who gives a shit? I'm not here to be liked! The US is here to stand as the guardian of Right in the world, and help its friends whenever and wherever necessary! And if that is unpopular with the Lefties and alleged "world opinion", then tough shit on them! We keep the rest of the world from becoming a moon-god worshipping, third-world shitbox!
I feel better now! GO IDF!
| 820 |
transient Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:11:02pm |
re: #780 yma o hyd
Do you also get the feeling that there may be special forces operating inside Gaza?
No question about it.
Israel has special ops units that specialize in the territories. They know how to operate in those areas, they look and act like Arabs. And they are not all Mizrachim (Jews from Arab countries), either.
Read Brotherhood of Warriors, by Aaron Cohen, about his experiences in Duvdevan, the special ops unit for the territories.
| 821 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:11:05pm |
re: #813 buzzdroid
and H.G. Wells too... thought that fascism was the way forward.
see the Jonah Goldberg book "Liberal Fascism"
Read it, of course. Troubling, is it not, that our great intellects could be, as Strauss suggested, like blind giants, capable of doing anything, but not clear what should or shouldn't be done?
| 822 |
serious Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:11:17pm |
re: #36 Ringo the Gringo
"May God protect the IDF and the innocent children."
Finishing off hamas and all that they represent is the best way to protect the palestinian children .
All my support to Israel and the IDF .
| 823 |
alegrias Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:11:53pm |
re: #806 buzzdroid
yup - the current "intellectual left" in Europe shares many characteristics with the Nazi movement. you have to read a bit of history, but the similarities are there. just look at any "free gaza" or "anti-war" protest. there are two constant themes - anti-Jew (the "Zionist conspiracy") and anti-America.
* * * *
Some of those anti Israel protesters yesterday on tv were carrying signs with their name ANSWR or whatever that Stalinist group is that supported Saddam Hussein's right to wood chip human beings, but opposed President Bush's stopping the human sacrifice.
| 824 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:11:59pm |
re: #822 serious
"May God protect the IDF and the innocent children."
Finishing off hamas and all that they represent is the best way to protect the palestinian children .
All my support to Israel and the IDF .
Hear, hear!
| 825 |
Joo-LiZ Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:12:42pm |
re: #815 yma o hyd
To me as well - I think the IDF has the upper hand and has been dictating the events, unlike in Lebanon in 2006.
Right now an israeli spokesman (Mark Regev)is tearing a new one on the Beeb female reporter.
Heh - and she's 'threatening' him with Sarkozy coming on Monday ...She cannot answer, she's reeling off her prepared questions, with throbbing voice.
I'm suddenly really despising all these female reporters ...
I wish I could see this, I hear Mark Regev is doing a great job.
I hope the vids will come up on YouTube soon.
| 826 |
yma o hyd Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:12:58pm |
re: #786 Joo-LiZ
Thanks for that - I thought so!
Thing is, special forces are really well trained to do this sort of thing, and you'll never hear how they are doing it, nor what they have done - except months later.
I'm thinking of the SAS, who've been quietly working in Iraq, under General petraeus (who praised them highly) - and I bet the Israeli Special Forces are as well-trained!
| 827 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:13:04pm |
re: #800 Guanxi88
Which is why I'd assume special operations folks were on the ground for some time.
Interesting thing, isn't it? IDF special units infiltrate Arab areas, and stay hidden and do their job like professionals? Arabs infiltrate Israeli areas, and they sort of spontaneously explode when they get in close proximity to the helpless and the innocent.
Purity of arms.
And a will to only act on those who they intend. . .which, if you think about it, is what both sides always do. . .
| 828 |
Lynn B. Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:13:12pm |
Jennifer Griffin (Fox News) is an idiot. As usual. She's talking about the battle in Jenin in 2002 and saying it was a huge "psychological victory" for the palestinians because they "drew in" the Israelis and massacred them. Funny. The only "massacre" I remember hearing about re: Jenin was the fake reports of hundreds of civilian casualties that later were proved utterly false.
What's she smoking?
| 829 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:13:43pm |
re: #821 Guanxi88
Read it, of course. Troubling, is it not, that our great intellects could be, as Strauss suggested, like blind giants, capable of doing anything, but not clear what should or shouldn't be done?
they lost their moral compass.
as Denis Prager likes to say - if you want your kids to be dumb, send them to university.
( engineering, science , medicine excluded ... )
| 830 |
Mich-again Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:14:02pm |
re: #818 buzzdroid
/note to moonbats : how come you dont know about the levelling of the city of Hama?
It is a fascinating story. I was a Senior in High School and I don't remember that ever being much of a story in the news. IIRC every night on the TV news we got a steady dose of Euros protesting against Reagan and the USA.
| 831 |
Picayune Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:14:12pm |
re: #767 yma o hyd
Hey Cynthia McKinney and your "Dignity" pals - that's your que to test again that IDF naval blockade on Gaza, please try it now!
| 832 |
alegrias Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:14:14pm |
re: #820 transient
No question about it.
Israel has special ops units that specialize in the territories. They know how to operate in those areas, they look and act like Arabs. And they are not all Mizrachim (Jews from Arab countries), either.Read Brotherhood of Warriors, by Aaron Cohen, about his experiences in Duvdevan, the special ops unit for the territories.
* * *
Is it a fact FATAH Palestinian factions are ratting out their enemy HAMAS to the IDF? If so, I love it.
| 833 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:14:42pm |
re: #828 Lynn B.
Jennifer Griffin (Fox News) is an idiot. As usual. She's talking about the battle in Jenin in 2002 and saying it was a huge "psychological victory" for the palestinians because they "drew in" the Israelis and massacred them. Funny. The only "massacre" I remember hearing about re: Jenin was the fake reports of hundreds of civilian casualties that later were proved utterly false.
What's she smoking?
They have become so willing to ignore contradictions. . .they now do it without effort. . .
| 834 |
yma o hyd Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:14:44pm |
re: #787 buzzdroid
Could you stick the titles/authors up in the spin-off links, under 'books'?
Would be much appreciated by all lizards, I'm sure!
| 835 |
Lynn B. Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:15:43pm |
They're getting a lot of the exact same Fox News broadcast in Israel that we're getting here, but they cut away to Sky a lot more. I was just talking to my mom in Jerusalem, watching FN with my TV on mute and listening to the audio over the phone in the background. Almost no time lag.
| 836 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:15:45pm |
re: #832 alegrias
* * *
Is it a fact FATAH Palestinian factions are ratting out their enemy HAMAS to the IDF? If so, I love it.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. . .karma's a bitch huh?
| 837 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:16:09pm |
re: #827 DisturbedEma
And a will to only act on those who they intend. . .which, if you think about it, is what both sides always do. . .
It's the difference between fighting decent folk and fighting demons.
| 838 |
rumcrook Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:16:49pm |
re: #803 layzrydr
I just saw a snippet of that. he hammers hammas. he said they torture at will (other palistinians), and anyone who says anything gets the same treatment.
| 839 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:16:56pm |
re: #826 yma o hyd
Thanks for that - I thought so!
Thing is, special forces are really well trained to do this sort of thing, and you'll never hear how they are doing it, nor what they have done - except months later.
I'm thinking of the SAS, who've been quietly working in Iraq, under General petraeus (who praised them highly) - and I bet the Israeli Special Forces are as well-trained!
sometimes its even DECADES later... the details of the SAS assault on the Iranian embassy in London , circa 1982, only came to light after a 10 year ban, or thereabouts... probably more.
takes a special kind of soldier to be special ops - you wont get public recognition and glory , and you wont be a hero in public. its a "job" and you get on with it.
tough guys and i'm in massive admiration of them.
| 840 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:17:06pm |
re: #831 Picayune
Hey Cynthia McKinney and your "Dignity" pals - that's your que to test again that IDF naval blockade on Gaza, please try it now!
Ahh, now that would be interesting, why do these idiots only offer humanitarian aid in peace time? Go help them now. . .please Cindy. . .
| 841 |
6pat6 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:17:12pm |
re: #833 DisturbedEma
Jennifer Griffin (Fox News) is an idiot. As usual. She's talking about the battle in Jenin in 2002 and saying it was a huge "psychological victory" for the palestinians because they "drew in" the Israelis and massacred them. Funny. The only "massacre" I remember hearing about re: Jenin was the fake reports of hundreds of civilian casualties that later were proved utterly false.What's she smoking?
They have become so willing to ignore contradictions. . .they now do it without effort. . .
The MSM continues to bask in yet its total ignorance and total inability to recognize and admit their standing in what amounts to be co-conspirators in what's going on. Sometimes, I really despise the media with all my heart.
| 842 |
alegrias Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:17:19pm |
re: #828 Lynn B.
Jennifer Griffin (Fox News) is an idiot. As usual. She's talking about the battle in Jenin in 2002 and saying it was a huge "psychological victory" for the palestinians because they "drew in" the Israelis and massacred them. Funny. The only "massacre" I remember hearing about re: Jenin was the fake reports of hundreds of civilian casualties that later were proved utterly false.
What's she smoking?
* * *
Ms. Griffin has perhaps become too wealthy & well known in Washington, DC's liberal circles where she now lives in a fancy house across from the Vice President's home in the Naval Observatory--VERY liberal circles, right off "Embassy Row" where the internationalists party.
| 843 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:17:43pm |
re: #832 alegrias
* * *
Is it a fact FATAH Palestinian factions are ratting out their enemy HAMAS to the IDF? If so, I love it.
dont forget that Hamas literally THREW Fatah guys from the roofs of apartment blocks in gaza when they took over.
dozens more shot to death.
yup - its a given that Fatah are helping out.
| 844 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:18:10pm |
re: #837 Guanxi88
It's the difference between fighting decent folk and fighting demons.
And holding life sacred. . .a key point of difference between the cultures. . .
| 845 |
Lynn B. Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:18:22pm |
re: #833 DisturbedEma
They have become so willing to ignore contradictions. . .they now do it without effort. . .
Utterly bizarre. And impossible to sort out factual reporting from total fabrication unless you already know what's going on.
| 846 |
Dr. Shalit Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:18:52pm |
re: #802 2senseplain
AND the electricity is off in most of Gaza.
"2sense" -
AND - What is the LAST time that Electric Bill was Paid? In my life I have been "skint" and had utilities turned off. PRAY TELL - why are Gaza Residents exempt from power outages other than the fact that they are Muslim Arabs and the apple of the MSM's eye? By the way - The WATER BILL hasn't been paid either.
-S-
| 847 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:19:28pm |
re: #841 6pat6
The MSM continues to bask in yet its total ignorance and total inability to recognize and admit their standing in what amounts to be co-conspirators in what's going on. Sometimes, I really despise the media with all my heart.
After this election and now this war? There is no sometimes for me anymore. . .I despise the MSM
| 848 |
transient Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:20:05pm |
re: #812 Mich-again
What like Assad Sr. did to the city of Hama? That's how an Arab regime deals with terrorists who infiltrate an entire city. And no one else in the Arab world seemed to care much.
They never care when Arabs kill Arabs. They only care when Israelis and other Westerners/ infidels do it.
| 849 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:20:15pm |
re: #844 DisturbedEma
And holding life sacred. . .a key point of difference between the cultures. . .
I think that comes down to the human/demon distinction. If you're a human - irrespective of culture - you value life. If you're a demon - irrespective of culture - you don't.
When demons are in the saddle, the culture don't matter. Look at Germany - a decent, cultured, refined and civilized people whose energies and powers were turned in the twinkling of an eye to destruction. Demonic.
| 850 |
Mardukhai Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:20:21pm |
Anybody know the model of assault rifle the Israeli soldier is using in this Reuters photo in Ynet?
| 851 |
Mich-again Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:20:33pm |
re: #843 buzzdroid
yup - its a given that Fatah are helping out.
I'm sure some of the Fatah employees that used to moonlight for Hamas are now Hamas employees moonlighting for Fatah.
| 852 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:20:57pm |
re: #845 Lynn B.
Utterly bizarre. And impossible to sort out factual reporting from total fabrication unless you already know what's going on.
Yeah- if not so lethal to good people and actions, this would be amusing to see such contortions
MSM lies, Truth dies
| 853 |
Lynn B. Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:21:27pm |
re: #842 alegrias
* * *
Ms. Griffin has perhaps become too wealthy & well known in Washington, DC's liberal circles where she now lives in a fancy house across from the Vice President's home in the Naval Observatory--VERY liberal circles, right off "Embassy Row" where the internationalists party.
Heh. Is that it? Well she styles herself as quite an expert based on the time she's spent on location in the Middle East. She delivered the same mindless drivel then. Often wearing a head scarf that never seemed to want to stay in place.
| 854 |
Shiplord Kirel Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:21:49pm |
re: #780 yma o hyd
Do you also get the feeling that there may be special forces operating inside Gaza?
Certainly. I strongly suspect that Fatah operatives will magically emerge from hiding wherever the IDF goes as well. One task facing the Israelis will be to mitigate the inevitable reprisals.
| 855 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:21:55pm |
more i think about it - this is the israeli SURGE..
think about it..
US. Army + "Awakening" movement = the surge in iraq . get the bad guys - al qaeda - offer the normal folks trade deals, politics and doing stuff peacefully.
Gaza its the same deal
IDF + Fatah = gaza surge. get the bad guys -Hamas. offer the normal folks trade deals, politics and doing stuff peacefully.
its the surge. thats what they are doing!
| 856 |
Joan Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:22:16pm |
re: #812 Mich-again What like Assad Sr. did to the city of Hama? That's how an Arab regime deals with terrorists who infiltrate an entire city. And no one else in the Arab world seemed to care much.
re: #818 buzzdroid
est 15,000 dead in that operation. no more Jihadi problem in Syria after that. yup - they literally surrounded the city with artillery and levelled the place.
/note to moonbats : how come you don't know about the levelling of the city of Hama?
I had never heard of this operation by Syria. It is very interesting that the media claque have not given us this relevant "background" to dealing with terror enclaves.
| 857 |
alegrias Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:22:19pm |
Well I've enjoyed this 8th or 9th day of Christmas with you wise men & women.
Remember January 6th is Epiphany when the three Kings of Orient are tradionally due in Bethlehem bringing "gifts" to the Jewish baby Christians worship.
Go IDF, beat evildoers.
I support any of my tax dollars used in this endeavor.
| 858 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:22:22pm |
re: #850 Mardukhai
Anybody know the model of assault rifle the Israeli soldier is using in this Reuters photo in Ynet?
I think that's the new "M - Better get it now before the AW Ban is renewed", IDF model.
Don't know what it is, and usually prefer more wood on my stocks, but I'll take three, please.
| 859 |
earth56 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:22:49pm |
re: #848 transient
They never care when Arabs kill Arabs. They only care when Israelis and other Westerners/ infidels do it.
Half of the MSM couldn't place Israel on a map or a clue on the history of the country.
When they ask a dumbass question to an expert they look like a deer with headlights
| 860 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:22:54pm |
re: #849 Guanxi88
I think that comes down to the human/demon distinction. If you're a human - irrespective of culture - you value life. If you're a demon - irrespective of culture - you don't.
When demons are in the saddle, the culture don't matter. Look at Germany - a decent, cultured, refined and civilized people whose energies and powers were turned in the twinkling of an eye to destruction. Demonic.
Yes, with a lot of help from psychology, propaganda, and antisemitism. . .which is very much going on now in MSM. . .
| 861 |
yma o hyd Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:23:06pm |
Aww - the female reporter on the Beeb, reporting fromIisrael, says that France and Sarkozy condemn Israel's incursion, and will come to israel on Monday, with three other 'European' foreign ministers.
Stupid moonbat - the Czech Republic now has the EU presidency, they have just said that they regard this as a defensive act by Israel - and the Czech foreign minister has said that he supports Israel, full stop.
Sarkozy is decoration, nothing more.
Must hurt to be so uninformed ...
| 862 |
Ayatollah Ghilmeini Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:23:23pm |
re: #563 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
A very real possibility of Hezbos opening fire. See my comment earlier today why.
| 863 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:24:12pm |
re: #860 DisturbedEma
Yes, with a lot of help from psychology, propaganda, and antisemitism. . .which is very much going on now in MSM. . .
I had a little something on it earlier in the thread. A sort of confluence of intellectual vapidity, pop-culture evil, and Arab petro-dollars.
| 864 |
Steve Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:24:40pm |
I wonder how many of these so called 'allahs warriors' have fled the battlefield?
I pray that the IDF comes out of this totally unscathed and victorious.
| 865 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:24:45pm |
re: #856 Joan
I had never heard of this operation by Syria. It is very interesting that the media claque have not given us this relevant "background" to dealing with terror enclaves.
wikipedia knows all...
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
higher estimates of 25,000 killed.
/note to "we are all hamas" moonbats - how come you dont know about this?
| 866 |
Shiplord Kirel Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:24:48pm |
If India move against Pakistan while the Gaza operation is underway, the media talking heads will explode.
| 867 |
Joan Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:25:16pm |
re: #828 Lynn B.
Jennifer Griffin (Fox News) is an idiot. As usual. She's talking about the battle in Jenin in 2002 and saying it was a huge "psychological victory" for the palestinians because they "drew in" the Israelis and massacred them. Funny. The only "massacre" I remember hearing about re: Jenin was the fake reports of hundreds of civilian casualties that later were proved utterly false.
What's she smoking?
Like myself, her knowledge is shallow and third-hand. My excuse is that I'm not a telejournalist on a major network with a duty to inform and provide accuracy and context. What's her excuse?
| 868 |
earth56 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:25:17pm |
re: #861 yma o hyd
Aww - the female reporter on the Beeb, reporting fromIisrael, says that France and Sarkozy condemn Israel's incursion, and will come to israel on Monday, with three other 'European' foreign ministers.
Stupid moonbat - the Czech Republic now has the EU presidency, they have just said that they regard this as a defensive act by Israel - and the Czech foreign minister has said that he supports Israel, full stop.
Sarkozy is decoration, nothing more.
France has to do this because of its large Islamic population so they don't have more car burning festivals this weekMust hurt to be so uninformed ...
| 869 |
Mich-again Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:25:39pm |
re: #848 transient
They never care when Arabs kill Arabs. They only care when Israelis and other Westerners/ infidels do it.
They don't care when Persians kill Arabs either. Ahwazi Arabs are methodically being ethically cleansed by the Mullahs and the rest of the Arab world could give a shit.
| 870 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:25:43pm |
re: #866 Shiplord Kirel
If India move against Pakistan while the Gaza operation is underway, the media talking heads will explode.
So is that a vote pro or con?
| 871 |
alegrias Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:26:03pm |
re: #856 Joan
I had never heard of this operation by Syria. It is very interesting that the media claque have not given us this relevant "background" to dealing with terror enclaves.
* * *
I think it's called the Hama Rule.
Kind of like what Saddam Hussein did to Halabja's kurds with biological chemical weapons. Total annihilation of women, children, every living thing.
| 872 |
Junior Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:26:11pm |
Someone earlier said "The US is here to stand as the guardian of Right in the world, and help its friends whenever and wherever necessary"
And to that I'd like to remind everybody...
No nation has "friends"... only "interests"
| 873 |
Dr. Shalit Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:26:25pm |
re: #855 buzzdroid
more i think about it - this is the israeli SURGE..
think about it..
US. Army + "Awakening" movement = the surge in iraq . get the bad guys - al qaeda - offer the normal folks trade deals, politics and doing stuff peacefully.
Gaza its the same deal
IDF + Fatah = gaza surge. get the bad guys -Hamas. offer the normal folks trade deals, politics and doing stuff peacefully.its the surge. thats what they are doing!
buzzdroid -
An interesting "Take" - Let's see if that "Take" takes.
-S-
| 874 |
2senseplain Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:26:36pm |
re: #846 Dr. Shalit
Don't disagree with you at all. Should have been done AGES ago. Was pointing out that the IDF seems to be dotting all the i's and crossing all the t's. As a matter of fact, my heart is breaking especially for all the former Jewish residents of Gush Katif who all predicted today quite accurately and are sitting pretty well dispossed and ruined for nothing(and may very well be among all those "tens of thousands" called up to retake Gaza).
| 875 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:27:31pm |
how the Syrians dealt with their version of Hamas
"After encountering fierce resistance, Rifaat's forces ringed the city with artillery and shelled it for three weeks.
Afterward, military and internal security personnel were dispatched to comb through the rubble for surviving Brothers and their sympathizers.[3] Then followed several weeks of torture and mass executions of suspected rebel sympathizers, killing many thousands, known as the Hama Massacre. Estimates of casualties vary from an estimated 7000 to 35,000 people killed, including about 1000 soldiers"
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
next time you see the UN or the Euroweenies or the IslamoCrazies crying over "Gaza", keep that particular historicial event in mind.
| 876 |
Shiplord Kirel Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:27:54pm |
re: #863 Guanxi88
I had a little something on it earlier in the thread. A sort of confluence of intellectual vapidity, pop-culture evil, and Arab petro-dollars.
The media industrial complex has tentatively agitating for a government bail-out for quite some time now, with moonbat representatives in places like Taxachusetts openly suggesting such subsidies. Maybe the MSM have realized that the Obama administration will be broke and they are looking elsewhere, specifically to Saudi Arabia, for their salvation.
| 877 |
Mich-again Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:28:09pm |
re: #865 buzzdroid
See how they succinctly label the attack type as "scorched Earth".
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Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:28:28pm |
re: #875 buzzdroid
how the Syrians dealt with their version of Hamas
"After encountering fierce resistance, Rifaat's forces ringed the city with artillery and shelled it for three weeks.
Afterward, military and internal security personnel were dispatched to comb through the rubble for surviving Brothers and their sympathizers.[3] Then followed several weeks of torture and mass executions of suspected rebel sympathizers, killing many thousands, known as the Hama Massacre. Estimates of casualties vary from an estimated 7000 to 35,000 people killed, including about 1000 soldiers"
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
next time you see the UN or the Euroweenies or the IslamoCrazies crying over "Gaza", keep that particular historicial event in mind.
So, does Assad have a patent on this sort of thing, or can anyone apply the process on their own? Seems to have worked.
| 879 |
Joan Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:28:31pm |
re: #866 Shiplord Kirel
If India move against Pakistan while the Gaza operation is underway, the media talking heads will explode.
I hope that doesn't happen, it need not happen. However, seeing media talking heads explode--well, I'd rather that came about through unexpected victories and breakthroughs for freedom...
| 880 |
Shiplord Kirel Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:29:26pm |
re: #870 Guanxi88
So is that a vote pro or con?
I am in favor of anything that reduces the goebbelist elite to confusion and disarray.
| 881 |
Dr. Shalit Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:29:44pm |
re: #875 buzzdroid
buzzdroid -
In the Muslim Middle East there is a description of what you outlined. It is called "BUSINESS AS USUAL."
-S-
| 882 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:30:21pm |
re: #880 Shiplord Kirel
I am in favor of anything that reduces the goebbelist elite to confusion and disarray.
So, counting me, and regretting in advance the loss of life and destruction of property, that's two "for".
| 883 |
desdichado Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:30:22pm |
re: #850 Mardukhai--the rifle the Israeli soldier is holding
Isn't it a Galil?
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buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:30:39pm |
re: #873 Dr. Shalit
buzzdroid -
An interesting "Take" - Let's see if that "Take" takes.
-S-
just idle speculation... being far away from the situation (in the UK) , I have no way of knowing. but i hope it is the case, because it will result in two very important things
a) an absolute bare MINIMUM of civillian casualties and more importantly
b) an bare minimum of IDF casualties.
with two results - bare minimum "international condemnation", but also a bare minimum of Israeli criticism (over IDF casualties)...
thats pretty much what happened during the surge in Iraq.
| 885 |
greenmiler Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:31:08pm |
I'm always reminded just how buggy IE is when the thread gets long; switched back to Mozilla
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rumcrook Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:31:23pm |
re: #872 Junior
thats why israel did this now, before the innuogration. before the u.s's interests "changed"
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NY Nana Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:31:42pm |
I just got this, and it is the hardest video I have ever watched..warning: if you are sqeamish at all, please do not even try to watch....devastating, but this is the reality Israelis face 24/365. The title is:
THE REASON ISRAEL ATTACK HAMAS(*hard images*), what would YOU do if this images was from YOUR town?!
Here is the info:
This is a video showing the situation in ISRAEL in the past years.
these are very hard and shocking photographs that you can ONLY find on the internet.
The Israeli media never showed these pictures before, out of respect to the families of the casualties.
Thats why people in the world see the death in GAZA, but all this YEARS u never saw all the civilians that died here by those "innocent" Palestinians. You see now the news without really understand that this operation is a result of 8 YEARS that Palestinians attack Israel DAILY.During the past 8 years [!] the southern civilian population in Israel has suffered continuous shootings of missiles 10,000 ROCKETS were shoot from GAZA by Hamas terrorists in the past three years. 3,646 of them only in 2008
WHY in all this 8 years when the Palestinians shooting rockets on Israeli civilians the world DIDNT SAY A WORD?! Suddenly Palestinians killed and everybody is waking up and has so much to say. This reality is NOT acceptable in ANY country in the world! Show me 1 country that will SIT QUIET 8 YEARS, while ROCKETS hit on he's civilians daily!This operation is something that should append years ago. Our civilians deserve to live finally in PEACE, without be afraid that every second a rocket can hit you. And the "innocent" Palestinians that support HAMAS and let them shoot rockets from their OWN houses got what they brought on themselves.
NOT like the target of Hamas, the operation in Gaza was NOT to hurt any innocent people, the purpose was to stop HAMAS from shooting at innocent Israeli citizens.
,during the operation in GAZA, civilians received warnings by phone or papers scattered all over Gaza, telling them which places are going to be bombarded and that they need to evacuate immediately.
While the IDF destroying Hamas targets, the hamas shooting rockets ONLY on civilians!
While the Hamas shooting from the areas of the Palestinian civilians, Israel brings the Palestinians food and medicines.
We must stop them ones and for all.For the idiot people that says Israel is a terrorist country= WTF?!?
We are not the ones who teaching their children to hate people they dont even know. We are not those who think that to go and bomb yourself in a restaurant full of innocent people is the best thing you can do with your life.
Nobody here wants war. Nobody here wants to destroy other people culture. Nobody here did a suicide attack. So How people can say we are the terrorist?! Open you're eyes a little. We just want to live our lives in peace and have fun like any person in the world.
No more go out from home without knowing if you will come back safe.
No more go out to a party and some insane Arab bomb himself.
No more go out from a restaurant and after 5 minuets see the all place exploded, and people you talked to 5 minuets ago, now became to pieces
No more running for you're life when you hear the alarm, and living in fear that a rocket can hit you any second.
No more see rockets hit you're street
No more hear a rocket explode, and then call you're friend and realize she will never answer again
No more see you're best friend for 16 years dying because insane terrorist bomb himself while she was sitting in a bus.
ISRAEL is a country that suffers from terror attacks for so many years. So many INNOCENT people lost their life because the INSANE ideology of insane terrorists in a crazy terror attacks. This must stoppp.
S T O P - T E R R O R !
P.E.A.S.E.
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transient Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:31:49pm |
re: #832 alegrias
* * *
Is it a fact FATAH Palestinian factions are ratting out their enemy HAMAS to the IDF? If so, I love it.
I read an article in the Jm Post a few days ago where someone in the Israeli security establishment said that was in fact the case. The Fatah guys in Gaza hate Hamas, they remember their buddies being thrown from buildings when Hamas took Gaza by force.
| 889 |
Baruch Menachem Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:32:31pm |
I think every Israeli would probably disaprove, but it seems the only way to fix the Hamas problem would be to deal with it like Joshua dealt with Jerico.
That is uncivilized, but I do think that is the only way to take care of the problem. Israel, for good reason, refuses to go that way. Which means that this is only a small bit of frustration in attacking the problem. But as far as resolving the Hamas issue, it is like putting an acne remedy on a cancer.
Fundamentally, there is something wrong with the culture there that glorifies death and survives on cargo cultism.
| 890 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:32:38pm |
re: #883 desdichado
Isn't it a Galil?
No, Galil's are right out, these days. Looks to be an M-16 variant, or maybe one of those M-4's
| 892 |
Picayune Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:33:43pm |
re: #840 DisturbedEma
Yea, the world's media is poised and waiting for you! Get you some fame, babe! (Buy a life insurance policy, first)
| 893 |
Mich-again Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:34:43pm |
re: #862 Ayatollah Ghilmeini
A very real possibility of Hezbos opening fire. See my comment earlier today why.
I think the Mullahs are counting down the days until GWB is out of office.
| 894 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:35:09pm |
re: #874 2senseplain
Don't disagree with you at all. Should have been done AGES ago. Was pointing out that the IDF seems to be dotting all the i's and crossing all the t's. As a matter of fact, my heart is breaking especially for all the former Jewish residents of Gush Katif who all predicted today quite accurately and are sitting pretty well dispossed and ruined for nothing(and may very well be among all those "tens of thousands" called up to retake Gaza).
its quite obvious that the residents of Gush Katif can take the moral high ground today. they were right.
there is no way to avoid it.
*however* - it took that level of pain to proove it to the rest of the world. said as it is, but Ariel Sharon was a master of strategy , and thats what he had in mind. stand back - see what happens...
and to be honest - he was right. Foreign countries are not condemning Israel so much this time round - INCLUDING the Arab states. notice how the Arab states are pretty quiet?
short term, Sharon was wrong. long term - he was right.
| 895 |
MarineMomSue Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:36:42pm |
re: #548 Dustyvet
Hey LT, did you know that Robert Stroud "The Bird Man of Alcatraz" is buried in Metropolis, Illinois? Wonder if he's a registered voter?
Convicted felons can vote in Ill., so I expect he probably casts his allotted 2-5 votes, regularly.
| 896 |
Dr. Shalit Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:36:43pm |
| 897 |
rumcrook Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:40:19pm |
re: #890 Guanxi88
the m-16 variant is winning out around the world becuase its a great modular platform. with one lower half you can pull two pins and slap on a a longer barrel/upper with a sniper scope and walla you have a designated marksman reaching out and touching the enemy while everyone else manuevers, or digs in. you can slap on multiple enhancements on the rails,
| 898 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:40:45pm |
re: #887 NY Nana
note the VERY FIRST photo in that sequence - an orthodox jewish rescue worker gesturing AT THE CAMERA to STOP...
i did what that first photo did. i stopped.
/buzzdroid believes in respect for the dead. i dont believe in viewing pictures of them, or revelling in it.
i believe that is why Judaism , and Israel itself, does NOT show those photos - its against their religion (as far as i know) - and so therefore, i shall respect that.
i DO NOT want to go down into the cesspit of Hamas/Jihad videos with their death and violence and celebration of death and parading of the dead , including DEAD children.. that is sick as hell. it is IMPORTANT that we know the distinction - there is a REASON why israel does not parade its dead like the Hamassholes... they are civilised, Hamas are death loving barbarians.
thanks for effort and the link though - i can fully understand why you did that.
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DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:40:50pm |
re: #878 Guanxi88
So, does Assad have a patent on this sort of thing, or can anyone apply the process on their own? Seems to have worked.
I am quite sure Jordan engaged in some harsh tactics in dealing with upstart Arabs. . .
| 900 |
Dustyvet Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:41:28pm |
Militant leader Omar Bakri has ordered his followers to convert ‘aliens’ to Islam.
Bakri, 50, is said to have issued the decree during a bizarre rant posted on an extremist website, in which he said Muslims needed to spread the word of Islam all over the world and across the galaxy too.
"Insanity runs in my family, it practically gallops"
Cary Grant
Arsenic and Old Lace
| 901 |
Dave the..... Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:42:40pm |
Scanning news headlines.....Euro wienies oppose Israel. And an anti-Israel rally occured today in Minneapolis.
| 903 |
Lynn B. Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:43:33pm |
re: #894 buzzdroid
its quite obvious that the residents of Gush Katif can take the moral high ground today. they were right.
there is no way to avoid it.
*however* - it took that level of pain to proove it to the rest of the world. said as it is, but Ariel Sharon was a master of strategy , and thats what he had in mind. stand back - see what happens...
and to be honest - he was right. Foreign countries are not condemning Israel so much this time round - INCLUDING the Arab states. notice how the Arab states are pretty quiet?
short term, Sharon was wrong. long term - he was right.
No. He wasn't. And foreign countries wouldn't need to be condemning or not condemning Israel if there simply wasn't a "this time around" because there would have been no opportunity for the terrorists in Gaza to become even remotely this sort of threat if not for the "disengagement." Short term, long term, even many of its former supporters have now realized that it was, at best, a gamble, a bad bet that has been lost at a horrific cost that hasn't even begun to reach its limits yet. This war is only one of the dividends.
| 904 |
jwb7605 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:43:38pm |
re: #901 Dave the.....
Scanning news headlines.....Euro wienies oppose Israel. And an anti-Israel rally occured today in Minneapolis.
No sarcasm: was Franken there?
| 907 |
Dustyvet Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:45:42pm |
| 909 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:46:10pm |
| 911 |
earth56 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:46:55pm |
re: #905 jamgarr
CNN interviewing a Gazan psychiatrist!
He should be rather rich having an office there
| 912 |
transient Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:47:06pm |
Media is reporting that Israel is claiming its objective is to take over the areas where the rockets are being fired.
This is a ridiculous objective, since the rockets can always be moved. I'm just wondering if this is disinformation for both the media and the enemy.... Israel probably doesn't want to say (too often) that it intends to destroy/cripple Hamas as an organization, because for some reason political goals are less politically correct than solid military objectives. Even though war is the continuation of diplomacy by other means...
| 913 |
Dr. Shalit Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:47:38pm |
re: #885 greenmiler
I'm always reminded just how buggy IE is when the thread gets long; switched back to Mozilla
greenmiller -
If you want to do yourself a favor - Download IETab to your FF - works about 90% of the time you need IE - in the words of "Dr. Levin" - THANK ME!
-S-
| 914 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:47:49pm |
re: #899 DisturbedEma
I am quite sure Jordan engaged in some harsh tactics in dealing with upstart Arabs. . .
"Black September", 1970
tens of thousands of Palestinians killed by the Jordanian army
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
end result: PLO fled to Lebanon.
| 915 |
Dustyvet Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:47:56pm |
re: #911 earth56
He should be rather rich having an office there
That guys just has to be laughing all the way to the bank.
| 916 |
jamgarr Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:48:00pm |
re: #911 earth56
He should be rather rich having an office there
He has to bake his bread in a primitive oven!
| 917 |
earth56 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:48:39pm |
re: #912 transient
The Israelis should just report that they are there to check up on the Baby Formula factorys
| 918 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:49:13pm |
re: #903 Lynn B.
No. He wasn't. And foreign countries wouldn't need to be condemning or not condemning Israel if there simply wasn't a "this time around" because there would have been no opportunity for the terrorists in Gaza to become even remotely this sort of threat if not for the "disengagement." Short term, long term, even many of its former supporters have now realized that it was, at best, a gamble, a bad bet that has been lost at a horrific cost that hasn't even begun to reach its limits yet. This war is only one of the dividends.
true.. that is another view. equally as valid as mind.
i suppose it all depends on how the current war turns out. either way, i wish the IDF well and hope they are victorious against Hamas.
| 919 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:50:15pm |
ach.. typo - "equally as valid as MINE"...
/missing a "edit" function on LGF comments.
| 920 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:50:36pm |
So, how many billions of dollars worth of improvements do you suppose the IDF will have done in Gaza before it's all said and done?
I estimate the value of land-clearing and lot-leveling (excluding clean-up from demolition) to be at least a couple million today already.
| 922 |
Dave the..... Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:51:47pm |
Just a short news item, but most likely Crazy AL Franken wasn't there. Minnesota's US Senate Klobuchar, normally your typical liberal Democrat (She said it was President Bush's fault that the 35W bridge collapsed) put some anti-Israeli types in their place last week. I was very impressed.
| 923 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:52:02pm |
re: #914 buzzdroid
"Black September", 1970
tens of thousands of Palestinians killed by the Jordanian army[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
end result: PLO fled to Lebanon.
Ah, yes, which is OF COURSE why it made sense to slaughter Jews in Munich in 72 in their name. . .///////
| 924 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:52:04pm |
re: #915 Dustyvet
That guys just has to be laughing all the way to the bank.
No, I imagine that if he's sane, he's scared. But if he's sane, he'd have left ages ago. Ergo, he's crazy, and laughs all the way wherever he goes.
| 925 |
transient Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:52:18pm |
Wow...CNN anchor actually asking valid questions of Saeb Erekat.
He's not answering them, of course.
He is calling for cease-fire, but she is asking how a new c/f is going to be any different (from Israel's perspective).
Erekat of course wants monitors (which, as she points out, Hamas has rejected).
Everyone wants monitors.
You mean like the ones in Lebanon? That watch while Hamas rearms and builds new bunkers? No thank you.
| 926 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:52:41pm |
re: #923 DisturbedEma
Ah, yes, which is OF COURSE why it made sense to slaughter Jews in Munich in 72 in their name. . .///////
They don't need a reason, they don't have a reason; they're not reasonable.
| 927 |
Dustyvet Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:52:42pm |
re: #916 jamgarr
He has to bake his bread in a primitive oven!
What was the name of that toy, little girls used to play with, you could bake things with a 60 watt light bulb?
| 928 |
jamgarr Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:52:51pm |
The risk of choosing to engage in asymmetric warfare is that the reason it is called asymmetric is that one side has overwhelming force and the asymmetry may fall on you hard.
| 929 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:53:13pm |
re: #927 Dustyvet
What was the name of that toy, little girls used to play with, you could bake things with a 60 watt light bulb?
EZ bake, wasn't it?
| 930 |
MrPaulRevere Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:53:22pm |
re: #914 buzzdroid
King Hussein knew how to deal with those, uhhmm people.
| 931 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:53:42pm |
re: #925 transient
Wow...CNN anchor actually asking valid questions of Saeb Erekat.
He's not answering them, of course.
He is calling for cease-fire, but she is asking how a new c/f is going to be any different (from Israel's perspective).
Erekat of course wants monitors (which, as she points out, Hamas has rejected).Everyone wants monitors.
You mean like the ones in Lebanon? That watch while Hamas rearms and builds new bunkers? No thank you.
Sounds like a job opening up at CNN. . .
| 932 |
jamgarr Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:53:50pm |
re: #927 Dustyvet
What was the name of that toy, little girls used to play with, you could bake things with a 60 watt light bulb?
EZ Launch?
| 933 |
Dustyvet Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:54:06pm |
| 934 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:54:08pm |
re: #923 DisturbedEma
Ah, yes, which is OF COURSE why it made sense to slaughter Jews in Munich in 72 in their name. . .///////
of course.. such is the logic of the crazed terrorist.
it was the "zionist conspiracy" that controlled the Jordanian army , ya know.
gotta kill the Joooos cos they control the world.
| 935 |
Venflon Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:54:17pm |
Wow that was fast, I've been released for 2 months and just got called for reserves.
I'll try to visit here from my mobile but last time I tried it didn't like them threads with 900+ comments. (charles please make a mobile friendly version :D)
Nice meeting you all, hope to be back soon.
| 937 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:54:28pm |
re: #929 Guanxi88
EZ bake, wasn't it?
Not that I'm a girl, you understand, but I remember those all the same.
| 939 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:55:46pm |
re: #935 Venflon
Wow that was fast, I've been released for 2 months and just got called for reserves.
I'll try to visit here from my mobile but last time I tried it didn't like them threads with 900+ comments. (charles please make a mobile friendly version :D)
Nice meeting you all, hope to be back soon.
Be safe, and blessings to you for your service.
| 940 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:56:08pm |
re: #926 Guanxi88
They don't need a reason, they don't have a reason; they're not reasonable.
What I was being sarcastic about was their slaughter of Jews, using the name of an Arab terrorist group that was attacked and run out of Jordan. . .by Arabs. . .I know there is no reason to be had with terrorists. . .
| 941 |
Earth56 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:56:10pm |
re: #927 Dustyvet
What was the name of that toy, little girls used to play with, you could bake things with a 60 watt light bulb?
Susie something if my mind still has batterys in them
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:56:17pm |
re: #734 least
Today, we listened to a speaker who's lived in Israel for years.
Said that one of the tactics employed by Israeli-Arabs was to take over Christian homes, establish a sniper position and snipe at IDF troops.
The IDF would respond by blowing the crap out of the location where hostile fire was coming from.
Then the "militants" would point out to anyone who'd listen [ MSM ] how the eeeeeevil joooooooz were blowing up Christian homes.Imagine the reporting that'll result from this.
Sounds about par for the course--the Christians get it in the neck a lot, those who haven't bailed out for foreign parts--but if you're using Israeli-Arabs as a synonym for Palestinians here, please don't. Israeli Arabs have Israeli citizenship, many of them serve in the IDF, and their record in a really unpleasant situation has been darn decent.
Just sayin'
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2senseplain Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:56:35pm |
re: #912 transient
Maybe not. The 2 cabinet members that abstained from the vote to go in, Ramon and Yishai, abstained because they couldn't get the others to commit to toppling Hamas as a stated goal. Unfortunately, their abstension is only being reported(except in Arutz Sheva)without their reasoning.
| 944 |
Lynn B. Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:56:40pm |
re: #918 buzzdroid
true.. that is another view. equally as valid as mine.
i suppose it all depends on how the current war turns out. either way, i wish the IDF well and hope they are victorious against Hamas.
Thanks. Sorry. I tend to get a little overheated on that subject. I can't imagine what outcome (short of that mythical real peace) could compensate for all the lives ruined by the expulsion and the added misery that the residents of the western Negev have been enduring ever since.
| 945 |
transient Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:56:59pm |
Excerpt from Brotherhood of Warriors, about the Israeli special ops unit Duvdevan:
Duvdevan...literally means "cherry." [T]here is a species of cherry in the Holy Land that looks no different from the edible variety but which packs a strong and often lethal poison. As a Special Forces unit operating undercover disguised as Palestinian men and women, Duvdevan is the "cherry" that may look harmless but often proves deadly.
Heh.
GO IDF!
| 946 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:57:06pm |
re: #935 Venflon
Wow that was fast, I've been released for 2 months and just got called for reserves.
I'll try to visit here from my mobile but last time I tried it didn't like them threads with 900+ comments. (charles please make a mobile friendly version :D)
Nice meeting you all, hope to be back soon.
Thanks for answering the call- I will keep you in my thoughts. . .and prayers
| 947 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:57:06pm |
re: #940 DisturbedEma
What I was being sarcastic about was their slaughter of Jews, using the name of an Arab terrorist group that was attacked and run out of Jordan. . .by Arabs. . .I know there is no reason to be had with terrorists. . .
Well, obviously, I took the sarc as a given. Funny thing, even when Arab kills Arab, they turn around and kill a Jew in retribution.
| 948 |
Earth56 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:57:21pm |
re: #935 Venflon
Wow that was fast, I've been released for 2 months and just got called for reserves.
I'll try to visit here from my mobile but last time I tried it didn't like them threads with 900+ comments. (charles please make a mobile friendly version :D)
Nice meeting you all, hope to be back soon.
Stay safe and I'll see you in Israel this Wednesday
| 949 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:57:41pm |
and the other two massacres of Palestinians were the Shabila and Shatila massacres - in Lebanon.
one done by Druze milita, the other by Christian militia.
neither by the IDF.
moonbats just love blaming those one on the Joooos...
(cos they control the world ya know...)
| 952 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:58:28pm |
re: #935 Venflon
Wow that was fast, I've been released for 2 months and just got called for reserves.
I'll try to visit here from my mobile but last time I tried it didn't like them threads with 900+ comments. (charles please make a mobile friendly version :D)
Nice meeting you all, hope to be back soon.
We'll save you a spot here, and the first round's on me.
| 953 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:58:48pm |
re: #947 Guanxi88
Well, obviously, I took the sarc as a given. Funny thing, even when Arab kills Arab, they turn around and kill a Jew in retribution.
EXACTLY- and no one notices it or comments on it. . .it is just a given. . .us Jews have it coming, end of story, nothing more to see here. . .
| 954 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:58:52pm |
re: #936 irish rose
It's about damned time.
hey hello - fellow irish person here!
nice to see an irish lizard on here who hasnt drunk the Pallywood kool-aid.
( ireland is just SOOOOO totally anti-israel... you think britain is bad - try ireland...)
| 955 |
descolada9 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:58:55pm |
Best of luck to the IDF and may they all come home again. It would be nice if this operation finally puts Hamas out of action. And should Israel succeed in putting at end to the terorrist organization, it will give Israel leverage to pursue two-state peace talks with Fatah on Israel's terms. It might also keep Syria and Hezb'allah in place, but don't forget the MiG's that Russia just gave Lebanon.
| 956 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:59:12pm |
| 957 |
Earth56 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:59:16pm |
re: #951 Sifty
All your Juice are belong to Hamas.
You know ..I saw some Juice at the Tropicana last week
| 958 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 3, 2009 1:59:54pm |
re: #761 Dustyvet
Oh thanks, I had forgot that one.
Farfour (of blessed memory/) was the mouse, Nahoul is the bee. Please keep your Hamas characters straight, people.
The fact that I know this is even more disturbing than the fact that I can identify all four Teletubbies by name, color and antenna shape, and remember all the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
| 959 |
yma o hyd Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:00:34pm |
re: #902 ploome hineni
Not working for me - but I get the Beeb, natch!, although not from your link.
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Earth56 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:00:52pm |
re: #954 buzzdroid
hey hello - fellow irish person here!
nice to see an irish lizard on here who hasnt drunk the Pallywood kool-aid.
( ireland is just SOOOOO totally anti-israel... you think britain is bad - try ireland...)
Really..whats with that as I love the Irish and anything Celtic
Love the Brogue
Can I marry you ?
| 961 |
greenmiler Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:01:36pm |
| 962 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:01:44pm |
re: #947 Guanxi88
Well, obviously, I took the sarc as a given. Funny thing, even when Arab kills Arab, they turn around and kill a Jew in retribution.
terrorist logic : King Hussein killed tens of thousand of us = therefore he is part of the Zionist World Conspiracy.
i'm serious - even as a Jordanian secret policeman is pulling the nails from their fingers, they'll be blaming the Jews for it.
terrorist death cults work that way. there is no logic to them.
| 963 |
jamgarr Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:01:54pm |
re: #958 SanFranciscoZionist
and remember all the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
Naw! You're just well-versed in Renaissance artists!
| 964 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:02:38pm |
re: #954 buzzdroid
hey hello - fellow irish person here!
nice to see an irish lizard on here who hasnt drunk the Pallywood kool-aid.
( ireland is just SOOOOO totally anti-israel... you think britain is bad - try ireland...)
I was there in 2005- for research, looking in Belfast for post Troubles changes and such. . .noticed QUITE a few pro Pal/anti Israel murals. . .comparing IRA with terrorists. My host shuddered when I said that out loud almost crying " For the love of G-d Las thing in this world we are needing is to throw in with THAT lot!" He was very cold to the connections made between IRA and Hamas. . .
| 965 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:02:44pm |
re: #960 Earth56
Really..whats with that as I love the Irish and anything Celtic
Love the Brogue
Can I marry you ?
sorry, gorgeous Brit girl has got me first.
second kid on the way.
Sorry!
/blushes with the attention... thanks for the compliment.
| 966 |
Joo-LiZ Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:02:49pm |
re: #962 buzzdroid
terrorist logic : King Hussein killed tens of thousand of us = therefore he is part of the Zionist World Conspiracy.
i'm serious - even as a Jordanian secret policeman is pulling the nails from their fingers, they'll be blaming the Jews for it.
terrorist death cults work that way. there is no logic to them.
Of course... "The Jew made him do it! If not for the Jew, Arabs would love Arabs!"
| 967 |
yma o hyd Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:03:29pm |
re: #935 Venflon
Take care, {venflon} - not just of yourself, but of those to whom you have to attend.
I pray it may be not many at all!
God bless you all.
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Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:03:35pm |
re: #953 DisturbedEma
EXACTLY- and no one notices it or comments on it. . .it is just a given. . .us Jews have it coming, end of story, nothing more to see here. . .
You see, when I was a kid, I though pa was kinda weird, kinda paranoid. "Just wait," he'd say, talking about what he saw in the war and about the Shoah," they'll try that crap again somewhere. Who knows? maybe even here before it's all said and done."
Well, Pa don't sound so paranoid here lately. Frankly, I never thought I'd live to see the day when open hatred of Jews in general and zionists in particular would become not only socially acceptable, but even chic, and, in some otherwise respectable circles, almost the price of admission. And this here in the states.
Some weeks back, I saw a guy, right here in a residential area in Austin, walking around with a "death to zionism" t-shirt. Guy was definitely your average white guy - no hint of the levant or South Asia on his face - and it just floored me. Here, in America, in my town, I've got some idiot walking around like that.
| 969 |
Opinionated Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:03:53pm |
I knew the author when we were teenagers. He has moved significantly Left of his then uncompromising Rightist views. Still this is a very impressive piece which is an answer to anyone as to why Israel is today in Gaza and why there is helplessness when dealing with barbarians and an unsympathetic World.
As My Son Goes to War, I Am Fully Israeli At Last
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
| 970 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:03:56pm |
| 971 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:04:34pm |
re: #970 Guanxi88
Ah, hell! We'll just open a tab for the hero!
Pass the hat the next day, and call it done.
| 972 |
solomonpanting Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:05:42pm |
re: #958 SanFranciscoZionist
Farfour (of blessed memory/) was the mouse
Was he done in by an Israeli Mickey Mosque Club bashing?
| 973 |
sevoguy Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:06:50pm |
Just call this a hunch: Now is a good time to bomb Iranian nuke facilities while the entire IDF is mobilized. Yah think?
The GOD of the Christains and Jews protect the Israeli army during this battle against the ARMY OF SATAN. May the Lord God strick down the clerics and imans of Satans army.
| 974 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:07:05pm |
re: #968 Guanxi88
You see, when I was a kid, I though pa was kinda weird, kinda paranoid. "Just wait," he'd say, talking about what he saw in the war and about the Shoah," they'll try that crap again somewhere. Who knows? maybe even here before it's all said and done."
Well, Pa don't sound so paranoid here lately. Frankly, I never thought I'd live to see the day when open hatred of Jews in general and zionists in particular would become not only socially acceptable, but even chic, and, in some otherwise respectable circles, almost the price of admission. And this here in the states.
Some weeks back, I saw a guy, right here in a residential area in Austin, walking around with a "death to zionism" t-shirt. Guy was definitely your average white guy - no hint of the levant or South Asia on his face - and it just floored me. Here, in America, in my town, I've got some idiot walking around like that.
I am totally the opposite; my dad was a first gen American. . .from the Ukraine. . .the stories I heard growing up were beyond horrible. . .and I was raised to believe that no matter how well I assimulated, I would ALWAYS be a Jew first, even here.
My department had the full deranged asshole super sized kit- posters, pictures, tons of literature. . .1933 all over again!
| 975 |
Earth56 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:07:36pm |
re: #965 buzzdroid
sorry, gorgeous Brit girl has got me first.
second kid on the way.
Sorry!
/blushes with the attention... thanks for the compliment.
congrats on the expected baby
Mazol Tov !
| 976 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:07:43pm |
| 977 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:08:29pm |
re: #964 DisturbedEma
I was there in 2005- for research, looking in Belfast for post Troubles changes and such. . .noticed QUITE a few pro Pal/anti Israel murals. . .comparing IRA with terrorists. My host shuddered when I said that out loud almost crying " For the love of G-d Las thing in this world we are needing is to throw in with THAT lot!" He was very cold to the connections made between IRA and Hamas. . .
dates back to the PLO times... IRA guys got arms training and armaments from the likes of Libya.
to be fair , the PLO was originally just a socialist, nationalist kind of organisation - like the Ba'ath Party in Syria and Iraq... and had no truck with Islamist influences. So that "fighting for our homeland" propaganda kind of influenced the IRA guys.. they got sucked into it.
there was an anti-jewish element in the background, but it never really came to to fore , as blatantly as what Hamas was.
Hamas is a different thing entirely - thats Iranian backed and influenced, rather than Arab influenced - which is Fatah/PLO.
but yeah - in Belfast nowadays you have PLO flags in IRA areas, and Israeli flags in Unionist areas.
i think the Israeli flags are meant to more annoy the IRA side than anything truely pro-Israel.
| 978 |
transient Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:09:09pm |
re: #935 Venflon
hatzlacha!
Best of luck.
B're: #943 2senseplain
Maybe not. The 2 cabinet members that abstained from the vote to go in, Ramon and Yishai, abstained because they couldn't get the others to commit to toppling Hamas as a stated goal. Unfortunately, their abstension is only being reported(except in Arutz Sheva)without their reasoning.
There can be no return to the status quo ante. Hamas cannot survive as a political force to pop out of its bunkers and claim that "I survived, therefore I win!" like Hizballah did. I think Israel understands that. It may be that the cabinet did not want to commit to a definite political objective for the record.
The only objective short of elimination of Hamas as a political force is to cripple them so severely they will understand they cannot continue as they have done. They can continue to shout and whine (and rearm), but they will be quiet, much as Hizballah has done in Lebanon. It's a less satisfactory solution, because it's only temporary, but it's better than having your communities pounded on a daily basis.
| 979 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:09:51pm |
re: #977 buzzdroid
dates back to the PLO times... IRA guys got arms training and armaments from the likes of Libya.
to be fair , the PLO was originally just a socialist, nationalist kind of organisation - like the Ba'ath Party in Syria and Iraq... and had no truck with Islamist influences. So that "fighting for our homeland" propaganda kind of influenced the IRA guys.. they got sucked into it.
there was an anti-jewish element in the background, but it never really came to to fore , as blatantly as what Hamas was.
Hamas is a different thing entirely - thats Iranian backed and influenced, rather than Arab influenced - which is Fatah/PLO.
but yeah - in Belfast nowadays you have PLO flags in IRA areas, and Israeli flags in Unionist areas.
i think the Israeli flags are meant to more annoy the IRA side than anything truely pro-Israel.
I liked the Loyalist taxis best. . .:)
| 980 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:10:13pm |
re: #975 Earth56
congrats on the expected baby
Mazol Tov !
thank you!
although, attention should be with Israeli families right now, with their sons and daughters in the IDF. God bless them, and may their sons and daughters return home safely.
| 981 |
NY Nana Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:10:14pm |
re: #898 buzzdroid
There were, as when there is any disaster, a group of Orthodox volunteers, who will go on the Sabbath, even on Yom Kippur, to any place they are needed. They are called ZAKA.
They have been seen doing their service on many videos, including theirs. They show a caring and respect for the Jewish victims, and treat the bodies the same. I will not go into the details of what they do. I am a retired RN...
And I am a proud Jew. The Israeli girl who posted the video posted it today, and IMHO she was right. it is time that Israel, which has been beseiged all these years gets the world to see just what it is like, and what the arabs do, as if it were there profession.
I was 10 years old when the modern State of israel was 'allowed' to exist, and want to see an Israel free of this constant terror, and there is no better way than to actually see it. I will bet that a number of Orthodox Jews would agree.
AM YISROEL CHAI!
| 982 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:10:41pm |
re: #980 buzzdroid
thank you!
although, attention should be with Israeli families right now, with their sons and daughters in the IDF. God bless them, and may their sons and daughters return home safely.
Amen!
| 983 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:10:52pm |
re: #818 buzzdroid
/note to moonbats : how come you dont know about the levelling of the city of Hama?
Because, like, well, I don't know what happened there, or what, you know, the underlying causes or motivations might have been, and, like, I wouldn't want to pass judgement without knowing more about the, you know, situation, and making sure I wasn't imposing Western ideas on it, and passing judgement without totally getting the whole situation, like white people from the West do. And, like, honestly, it doesn't interest me all that much, even though I know it should, because, like, I should know the history of all the indigenous parts of the world, because, like, so many white people just don't, and they don't care.
But, I know all about Gaza. And Deir Yassin. And Sabra and Shatila. I know about those places, and like no one in the West does, because they, like accept whatever they see on Fox News. And like, six times as many people died at those places at the hands of the white, U.S. backed, Zionist oppressors as did in that other place, whatever it was called.
Free, free Palestine!
//Please, good people, DO NOT CORRECT ME! I AM BEING SARCASTIC! SARCASTIC! SOME OF Y'ALL AROUND HERE ARE NOT SO GOOD PICKING THIS UP! SARCASM!//////////
| 984 |
Earth56 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:11:18pm |
re: #980 buzzdroid
thank you!
although, attention should be with Israeli families right now, with their sons and daughters in the IDF. God bless them, and may their sons and daughters return home safely.
exactly !
| 985 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:11:18pm |
re: #974 DisturbedEma
I am totally the opposite; my dad was a first gen American. . .from the Ukraine. . .the stories I heard growing up were beyond horrible. . .and I was raised to believe that no matter how well I assimulated, I would ALWAYS be a Jew first, even here.
My department had the full deranged asshole super sized kit- posters, pictures, tons of literature. . .1933 all over again!
Pa was born and raised here, in the Golden Land, son of immigrants from Poland by way of Germany. He always taught his kids, who taught their grandkids (that's me, among others) that this was the best place in the world for Jews, that we owe everything we have to America, and that we are Americans first and foremost, even if some of our countrymen don't like it.
He was, however, very wary, and was prone to saying that if it could happen in Germany, it could happen anywhere, and would certainly happen again if people let it.
What I see here lately is simply appalling, and looks to be nowhere near the end, either.
| 986 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:11:41pm |
re: #981 NY Nana
There were, as when there is any disaster, a group of Orthodox volunteers, who will go on the Sabbath, even on Yom Kippur, to any place they are needed. They are called ZAKA.
They have been seen doing their service on many videos, including theirs. They show a caring and respect for the Jewish victims, and treat the bodies the same. I will not go into the details of what they do. I am a retired RN...
And I am a proud Jew. The Israeli girl who posted the video posted it today, and IMHO she was right. it is time that Israel, which has been beseiged all these years gets the world to see just what it is like, and what the arabs do, as if it were there profession.
I was 10 years old when the modern State of israel was 'allowed' to exist, and want to see an Israel free of this constant terror, and there is no better way than to actually see it. I will bet that a number of Orthodox Jews would agree.
AM YISROEL CHAI!
HaTikvah!
| 987 |
FrogMarch Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:12:12pm |
re: #477 Walter L. Newton
Yes, Sky News another Murdock outlet. Feh.
quick - get Murdoch on the phone. Tell him to stop it.
| 988 |
Lynn B. Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:12:13pm |
re: #961 greenmiler
What Israel Gave Up or Gaza Before Hamas Turned it into a Shithole
Yes. Wow. Amazing. Thank you.
This was my home...
A real tearjerker.
| 989 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:12:59pm |
re: #983 SanFranciscoZionist
I know you are being sarcastic but I am SO SICK OF THE FREE PALESTINE CRAP!
| 990 |
Earth56 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:13:29pm |
re: #983 SanFranciscoZionist
Sounds close to how some lawyers I've known do their talking
| 991 |
Gang of One Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:13:40pm |
re: #935 Venflon
Wow that was fast, I've been released for 2 months and just got called for reserves.
I'll try to visit here from my mobile but last time I tried it didn't like them threads with 900+ comments. (charles please make a mobile friendly version :D)
Nice meeting you all, hope to be back soon.
Godspeed, Ven. Come home safely to those who love you.
| 992 |
VioletTiger Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:14:06pm |
Sending prayers for the IDF and all of Israel.
Get ALL the terrorists.
| 993 |
transient Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:14:43pm |
Wow...CNN anchor now asking Hanan Ashrawi "how do you stop the [Hamas] rockets...that would seem to be the first step..."
Ashrawi proceeds to spew utter lies...Hamas observed the ceasefire...Israel broke the ceasefire...Israel is the occupying power. Universities and mosques and homes are being targeted...
She challenges Ashrawi a little, does say that Israel says there were weapons in those sites. But media can't really deal with a persistent spokesperson. But I'm wondering what the background of this anchor is.
| 994 |
Earth56 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:15:27pm |
re: #989 DisturbedEma
I know you are being sarcastic but I am SO SICK OF THE FREE PALESTINE CRAP!
Ever look into their eyes ?
Talk about science fiction !
| 995 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:16:46pm |
re: #927 Dustyvet
What was the name of that toy, little girls used to play with, you could bake things with a 60 watt light bulb?
I had one of those, mine was a Holly Hobbie oven, but I think there was another brand as well.
| 997 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:18:06pm |
re: #994 Earth56
Ever look into their eyes ?
Talk about science fiction !
Yeah- wearing a IDF forces tee shirt and a Magen David necklace. . .rabid unrestrained hate. . .that was the Israeli Independence Day Rally in 1998. . .I was 8 months pregnant and they threw rocks at us at the University union. . .
| 998 |
Earth56 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:18:48pm |
Arabs are having a special meeting at the UN shortly
ooh !
| 999 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:19:01pm |
re: #995 SanFranciscoZionist
I had one of those, mine was a Holly Hobbie oven, but I think there was another brand as well.
my daughters had ez bake, it was recalled last year or so. . .
| 1000 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:19:20pm |
re: #998 Earth56
Arabs are having a special meeting at the UN shortly
How can you tell it's a special meeting? I thought they lived there?
| 1001 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:19:39pm |
| 1002 |
Earth56 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:19:55pm |
re: #997 DisturbedEma
Yeah- wearing a IDF forces tee shirt and a Magen David necklace. . .rabid unrestrained hate. . .that was the Israeli Independence Day Rally in 1998. . .I was 8 months pregnant and they threw rocks at us at the University union. . .
Don't forget that they are the ones that are "Progressive "
sarc/off
| 1003 |
rafi Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:20:22pm |
live updates from israel (hebrew). video during broadcast hours, radio at night...
http://s20wm.castup.net/990310010-52.wmv
enjoy
| 1004 |
SueG Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:20:28pm |
Dutch parliament member Harry van Bommel (Socialist Party) calls for intifada against Israel during anti-Israel / pro Gaza, pro Hamas, pro Hezbollah demonstration in Amsterdam.
January 3rd, 2008
| 1005 |
Occasional Reader Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:20:28pm |
How fucking stupid are the MSM talking heads? Every single Israeli spokesman they interview is asked the same schtoopid question, "exactly how many more days will this last?" They all answer, there is no fixed timeline, we're trying to accomplish goals, not a timeline. Then the next Israeli spokesman is asked, "how many days will this last?" Imbeciles.
| 1006 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:20:49pm |
re: #981 NY Nana
ok - fair enough.. as a gentile i maybe should not be making statements on the Jewish religion.
if you guys want to do this - then fair enough. and i will support you.
however, i still think it is morally the wrong thing to do - it could spiral into islamic death videos versus jewish death videos.
its a dangerous game to do that. and it might backfire.
but you folks know better, are directly affected, and i respect your decisions on this.
| 1007 |
Earth56 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:21:08pm |
re: #1000 Guanxi88
How can you tell it's a special meeting? I thought they lived there?
When I drove underneath it on the FDR drive I noticed a certain smell
| 1008 |
Gang of One Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:21:14pm |
re: #983 SanFranciscoZionist
Sarc is loud and clear. Boy, you got them down to a tee.
| 1010 |
Earth56 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:22:41pm |
re: #1005 Occasional Reader
How fucking stupid are the MSM talking heads? Every single Israeli spokesman they interview is asked the same schtoopid question, "exactly how many more days will this last?" They all answer, there is no fixed timeline, we're trying to accomplish goals, not a timeline. Then the next Israeli spokesman is asked, "how many days will this last?" Imbeciles.
You mean like when they interview a mother who has just lost her son and ask the mother
" how are you feeling ? "
| 1011 |
Gang of One Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:22:53pm |
re: #992 VioletTiger
Sending prayers for the IDF and all of Israel.
Get ALL the terrorists.
And their enablers.
/one can dream ...
| 1012 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:24:09pm |
re: #1002 Earth56
Don't forget that they are the ones that are "Progressive "
sarc/off
Well, we were the ones who had a permit. . .Tagar was our group, GUPS was the other group. . .and WE were the ones being accused of incitement! Our group no longer exists there. . .too "provocative" hold Pro Israeli activities and offering "balance" to the 3 day long hatefest called Arab awareness. . .we wore tee shirts that said "WARNING- EXTREME ZIONISM anitsemites be warned the wearer of this tee shirt is a staunch supporter of the Jewish state and its rights" yeah, we were really off the charts on the provocometer. . ./////
| 1013 |
LC LaWedgie Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:24:24pm |
re: #1005 Occasional Reader
CNN needs to get Heidi von Hamas on there to get down to the real, hard-nosed, truth-to-power interviews.
| 1014 |
under the whip Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:25:04pm |
re: #983 SanFranciscoZionist
Researchers at the University of New South Wales found that patients under the age of 65 suffering from frontotemporal dementia, the second most common form of dementia,
cannot detect when someone is being sarcastic
(No offence to anyone with dementia.)
| 1015 |
solomonpanting Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:25:33pm |
Israel's goal should be:
Jamas Hamas Again
Jamas, pronounced like Hamas, is Spanish for never.
| 1016 |
Joo-LiZ Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:26:12pm |
re: #983 SanFranciscoZionist
Because, like, well, I don't know what happened there, or what, you know, the underlying causes or motivations might have been, and, like, I wouldn't want to pass judgement without knowing more about the, you know, situation, and making sure I wasn't imposing Western ideas on it, and passing judgement without totally getting the whole situation, like white people from the West do. And, like, honestly, it doesn't interest me all that much, even though I know it should, because, like, I should know the history of all the indigenous parts of the world, because, like, so many white people just don't, and they don't care.
But, I know all about Gaza. And Deir Yassin. And Sabra and Shatila. I know about those places, and like no one in the West does, because they, like accept whatever they see on Fox News. And like, six times as many people died at those places at the hands of the white, U.S. backed, Zionist oppressors as did in that other place, whatever it was called.
Free, free Palestine!
//Please, good people, DO NOT CORRECT ME! I AM BEING SARCASTIC! SARCASTIC! SOME OF Y'ALL AROUND HERE ARE NOT SO GOOD PICKING THIS UP! SARCASM!//////////
That was dead on, being from sanfransisco, I'm sure this could easily be a direct quote from something you've heard... :p
| 1018 |
Earth56 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:26:27pm |
re: #1012 DisturbedEma
Well, we were the ones who had a permit. . .Tagar was our group, GUPS was the other group. . .and WE were the ones being accused of incitement! Our group no longer exists there. . .too "provocative" hold Pro Israeli activities and offering "balance" to the 3 day long hatefest called Arab awareness. . .we wore tee shirts that said "WARNING- EXTREME ZIONISM anitsemites be warned the wearer of this tee shirt is a staunch supporter of the Jewish state and its rights" yeah, we were really off the charts on the provocometer. . ./////
good for you !
I would of become more militant myself
| 1019 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:26:28pm |
re: #1010 Earth56
You mean like when they interview a mother who has just lost her son and ask the mother
" how are you feeling ? "
or Geraldo's sand map. . .
| 1020 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:27:30pm |
re: #981 NY Nana
There were, as when there is any disaster, a group of Orthodox volunteers, who will go on the Sabbath, even on Yom Kippur, to any place they are needed. They are called ZAKA.
They have been seen doing their service on many videos, including theirs. They show a caring and respect for the Jewish victims, and treat the bodies the same. I will not go into the details of what they do. I am a retired RN...
And I am a proud Jew. The Israeli girl who posted the video posted it today, and IMHO she was right. it is time that Israel, which has been beseiged all these years gets the world to see just what it is like, and what the arabs do, as if it were there profession.
I was 10 years old when the modern State of israel was 'allowed' to exist, and want to see an Israel free of this constant terror, and there is no better way than to actually see it. I will bet that a number of Orthodox Jews would agree.
AM YISROEL CHAI!
although , on the other hand - if we had NOT seen pictures of Belsen and Treblinka and other places, we would never have known the true evil of Nazism.
i suppose it HAS to be done. sooner or later... i'm quesy about it as it gets into Hamas glorifying the "dead" territory... but if done right , it could work for Israel.
tricky - tread carefully on that one. dont let yerselfs get down to the level of the Hamassholes...
| 1021 |
TheMatrix31 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:28:32pm |
So, for someone who's not familiar with this whole situation, will Iran step in here?
| 1022 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:28:43pm |
re: #1016 Joo-LiZ
That was dead on, being from sanfransisco, I'm sure this could easily be a direct quote from something you've heard... :p
I went to three extremely lefty colleges. This kind of thing goes down better with a couple shots of tequila.
| 1023 |
NY Nana Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:29:05pm |
re: #1006 buzzdroid
You did nothing wrong....it is just that Israel is treated like a pariah, and if more of those who point fingers, and spit on Israel, as they kiss the arabs' bums, actually had to see the reality that has existed for almost all my life (which began in 1938), and see that the arabs who occupy Israeli land are an off shoot of the nazis, and their leader, perhaps they just might wake up.
Truthfully I am not all that hopeful, as Jew hate is growing, even now, and there are probably untold millions who are cheering as I type, for the arabs...
The world-wide anti Israel demonstrations are proof that nothing really has changed.
| 1026 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:30:36pm |
re: #1020 buzzdroid
although , on the other hand - if we had NOT seen pictures of Belsen and Treblinka and other places, we would never have known the true evil of Nazism.
i suppose it HAS to be done. sooner or later... i'm quesy about it as it gets into Hamas glorifying the "dead" territory... but if done right , it could work for Israel.
tricky - tread carefully on that one. dont let yerselfs get down to the level of the Hamassholes...
Something to what you're saying, maybe, but all the same, it's undignified, corrosive to the minds of the people publishing the images, and, in the final analysis, won't work.
We've got photos from the camps, the sworn testimony of thousands on both sides of the event, hundreds of yards worth of bureaucratic paperwork from the nazi's documenting the thing, and there are still folks walking around saying "never happened," "faked," "exaggerated," etc., etc.
I say, keep the images out of circulation, in the interests of the humanity of the victims. Other side wants to treat their people like meat? let them.
| 1027 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:30:38pm |
re: #1009 NY Nana
Tears of pride every time I hear/sing it at the top of my voice!
| 1028 |
CofactorMatrix Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:30:41pm |
Go IDF!
Uhhh-ooh. Better watch out for the Sheriff: don't want to be caught advocating violence.
Ok, then, Go Ham-Ass.
Aww, dang. Same problem.
Barack, Barack, make it all go away! Unite them with peace and love, quick! Can't you just put a note in the wall with your shirt off or something, please?
| 1029 |
layzrydr Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:31:54pm |
| 1030 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:31:56pm |
re: #1028 CofactorMatrix
Go IDF!
Uhhh-ooh. Better watch out for the Sheriff: don't want to be caught advocating violence.
Ok, then, Go Ham-Ass.
Aww, dang. Same problem.
Barack, Barack, make it all go away! Unite them with peace and love, quick! Can't you just put a note in the wall with your shirt off or something, please?
Or finally buy that effing puppy. . .
| 1032 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:32:15pm |
re: #1028 CofactorMatrix
Go IDF!
Uhhh-ooh. Better watch out for the Sheriff: don't want to be caught advocating violence.
Ok, then, Go Ham-Ass.
Aww, dang. Same problem.
Barack, Barack, make it all go away! Unite them with peace and love, quick! Can't you just put a note in the wall with your shirt off or something, please?
He's still on vacation, isn't he? Isn't this precisely why he shouldn't go on holiday? I mean, when the fulcrum of the known universe takes time off, things are just bound to spin off into chaos, aren't they?
| 1033 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:32:44pm |
re: #1030 DisturbedEma
Or finally buy that effing puppy. . .
Or will that be ANOTHER broken promise. . .yeah, I went there. . .
| 1034 |
FrogMarch Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:32:56pm |
[Link: ace.mu.nu...]
"Since Hamas' violent takeover in the summer of 2007, living conditions have worsened for Palestinians in Gaza," Bush says in prepared remarks released Friday by the White House. "By spending its resources on rocket launchers instead of roads and schools, Hamas has demonstrated that it has no intention of serving the Palestinian people."
,,,"In response to these attacks on their people, the leaders of Israel have launched military operations on Hamas positions in Gaza," Bush says. "As a part of their strategy, Hamas terrorists often hide within the civilian population, which puts innocent Palestinians at risk."
-GWB
Obama will never say such a thing. He would piss off to many nazi loving leftists.
| 1035 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:33:18pm |
re: #1033 DisturbedEma
Or will that be ANOTHER broken promise. . .yeah, I went there. . .
And that's why we love you
| 1036 |
Sharmuta Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:33:51pm |
re: #1031 buzzdroid
Yes- the answer is to go live among the fascists until we learn to like them. Brilliant!
| 1037 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:34:19pm |
re: #1035 Guanxi88
And that's why we love you
awwww
blushes and kicks feet. . .:)
Nice to be loved for your true self. . .
| 1038 |
BOBD1950 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:34:23pm |
re: #1 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Update;
Dozens of Hamas fighters killed as IDF infantry and tanks enter Gaza...
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
| 1039 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:35:17pm |
re: #1023 NY Nana
You did nothing wrong....it is just that Israel is treated like a pariah, and if more of those who point fingers, and spit on Israel, as they kiss the arabs' bums, actually had to see the reality that has existed for almost all my life (which began in 1938), and see that the arabs who occupy Israeli land are an off shoot of the nazis, and their leader, perhaps they just might wake up.
Truthfully I am not all that hopeful, as Jew hate is growing, even now, and there are probably untold millions who are cheering as I type, for the arabs...
The world-wide anti Israel demonstrations are proof that nothing really has changed.
am aware of the nazi connections. gestapo moved to egypt post war, trained up the egyptian secret police. lots of ex-Nazi influence in the PLO...
lots of German war criminals found shelter in Jordan, Syria and Iraq.
you're right - nothing has changed. the Nazi fight against the Jews still continues.
Hamas is just another re-iteration of the S.S.
| 1040 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:35:18pm |
re: #1036 Sharmuta
Yes- the answer is to go live among the fascists until we learn to like them. Brilliant!
Personally, I wouldn't live in Belgium or the Netherlands if you held a gun to my head and put two million dollars in my bank account.
| 1041 |
transient Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:35:31pm |
re: #1021 TheMatrix31
So, for someone who's not familiar with this whole situation, will Iran step in here?
Directly? No.
So far even Hizballah (Iranian proxy) has been silent. Hizballah isn't ready to get its a$$ kicked again so soon (despite their protestations of victory)
Iran has some long range rockets that could reach Israel, but they probably don't have the range or accuracy. Israel is vastly superior technologically. Iran is already in trouble with the international community, the low price of oil is straining their economy. They are not really in a position to do anything.
You will hear a lot of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
| 1042 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:35:34pm |
re: #1034 FrogMarch
[Link: ace.mu.nu...]
-GWBObama will never say such a thing. He would piss off to many nazi loving leftists.
Yeah, politics really does create strange bedfellows. . .STILL cannot believe Jews fell for this guy. . .
| 1043 |
Bob Dillon Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:36:21pm |
re: #696 coldpizza
Not a chance the IDF has learned many lessons. Hamas will be crushed. And fuck the World opinion bigots. God Bless the IDF.
I sure hope you are right. The UN is meeting soon today - pushing for a "diplomatic" solution and Israeli cease fire.
5-10-5
| 1044 |
Sharmuta Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:36:23pm |
re: #1040 Guanxi88
Personally, I wouldn't live in Belgium or the Netherlands if you held a gun to my head and put two million dollars in my bank account.
Aww- now! The nazis aren't so bad once you get to know them. Just go live there awhile, you'll see. They have killer drinking songs. /
| 1045 |
Occasional Reader Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:36:59pm |
re: #1038 BOBD1950
Update;
Dozens of Hamasfighterssocial activists and nursery school teachers killed as IDF infantry and tanks enter Gaza...
(rewritten as BBC copy)
| 1046 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:37:36pm |
re: #1036 Sharmuta
Yes- the answer is to go live among the fascists until we learn to like them. Brilliant!
I tried, I went to grad school- for a social science. . . it may not work that way, I lived with them. . .and ended up on LGF :)
| 1047 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:37:52pm |
re: #1036 Sharmuta
Yes- the answer is to go live among the fascists until we learn to like them. Brilliant!
no its not. its more along the lines of
"how do i stop this happening?"
better to go over , get ground knowledge, and stop it happening before it REALLY happens... what you might learn from that is to how to better hone your attacks on it , how to better influence folks from NOT going down that route.
lots of anti-Nazis visited Hitlers Germany to see what was happening. didnt mean they were Nazis themselves.
| 1048 |
BOBD1950 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:38:02pm |
JPost.com » Israel » Article
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
Jan 3, 2009 22:19
Dozens of Hamas fighters killed as IDF infantry and tanks enter Gaza
Dozens of Hamas fighters were killed by IDF infantrymen. The army issued no official statement confirming the report.
Channel 2 reported that the Navy was imposing a blockade on the water near Gaza to prevent Hamas from receiving assistance through Gaza's coastline.
| 1049 |
Dave the..... Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:38:40pm |
Here's a link to the anti-Israel protest in Minneapolis. Note the swasticka on at least one sign.
[Link: www.kare11.com...]
| 1050 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:38:49pm |
re: #1043 Bobibutu
I sure hope you are right. The UN is meeting soon today - pushing for a "diplomatic" solution and Israeli cease fire.
5-10-5
What was that again? I remember the discussion, letters of the alphabet. . .
| 1051 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:38:51pm |
re: #1044 Sharmuta
Aww- now! The nazis aren't so bad once you get to know them. Just go live there awhile, you'll see. They have killer drinking songs. /
My assessment of the low countries was made independently of the nazis' presence. Sorry, but any place where some people willingly cop to speaking "Flemish" (does that make them Phlegms?) or where others' ancestors did nothing but grow tulips and, in general, just go around being Dutch when they weren't getting over-run by Germans is no place for me. Beer or no beer.
| 1052 |
Sharmuta Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:39:29pm |
re: #1047 buzzdroid
Sorry- I don't think anyone needs to visit europe to know turning to fascists is not the solution.
| 1053 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:40:13pm |
re: #1051 Guanxi88
My assessment of the low countries was made independently of the nazis' presence. Sorry, but any place where some people willingly cop to speaking "Flemish" (does that make them Phlegms?) or where others' ancestors did nothing but grow tulips and, in general, just go around being Dutch when they weren't getting over-run by Germans is no place for me. Beer or no beer.
But the CHEESE. . .WHAT of the cheese? :)
| 1054 |
Bob Dillon Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:40:27pm |
re: #1050 DisturbedEma
What was that again? I remember the discussion, letters of the alphabet. . .
Japanese numbers 5-10-5 - 6 day war - pronounced - go-jew-go
| 1055 |
TheMatrix31 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:40:40pm |
re: #1041 transient
Directly? No.
So far even Hizballah (Iranian proxy) has been silent. Hizballah isn't ready to get its a$$ kicked again so soon (despite their protestations of victory)Iran has some long range rockets that could reach Israel, but they probably don't have the range or accuracy. Israel is vastly superior technologically. Iran is already in trouble with the international community, the low price of oil is straining their economy. They are not really in a position to do anything.
You will hear a lot of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
Sounds good.
| 1056 |
FrogMarch Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:40:48pm |
re: #1042 DisturbedEma
Yeah, politics really does create strange bedfellows. . .STILL cannot believe Jews fell for this guy. . .
I know.
| 1057 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:41:19pm |
re: #1054 Bobibutu
Japanese numbers 5-10-5 - 6 day war - pronounced - go-jew-go
Oh yes. . .thanks, I am writing it down now. . .
| 1058 |
Brooklyn Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:41:25pm |
I'm playing "Ride of the Valkyries" as I watch the Israeli airstrikes. I love the smell of burning Hamas in the morning. It smells like victory.
| 1059 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:41:27pm |
I just thought of this song and video--worth watching, even for those of you who don't speak any Hebrew, the video pretty much says it all. Tear-jerking, but beautiful, and a love song to the guys going in to Gaza right now.
The lyrics, translated:
In the middle of the night in the village,
I light another cigarette before a checkpoint.
I'm guarding, and a cleric sings from Ramallah
Between people in black
I pass another fence that is difficult to cross
I am found between Elchader and Beit Jalla
It's the middle of the night
and perhaps it is already late.
you're not calling
then maybe I'll come tomorrow.
look at the clouds
Now they've painted themselves gray
because of our situation
In the middle of the night in the village,
the moon illuminates to me time that passed.
In the passageway, a soldier is praying
(L'Cha Dodi Likrat Calah)
The smell of the fires,
And again it's hard to see.
The screen of fog accompanies us
It's the middle of the night...
The minute before the dawning
the morning lights and the night has passed
I return and it still sings from up there
| 1060 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:41:34pm |
re: #1053 DisturbedEma
But the CHEESE. . .WHAT of the cheese? :)
Sorry, even with cheese of the finest quality, no low countries for me. I can get my beer and my cheese right here in the USA, the way G-d intended.
| 1061 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:42:22pm |
re: #1060 Guanxi88
Sorry, even with cheese of the finest quality, no low countries for me. I can get my beer and my cheese right here in the USA, the way G-d intended.
Cold and sliced, wrapped in plastic, respectively
| 1062 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:42:45pm |
re: #1056 FrogMarch
I know.
My shul was a total shill fest. . .the victory party was pretty somber though. . .the donations were down and the expected 200 ended up being about 50. . .
| 1063 |
Occasional Reader Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:43:06pm |
re: #1061 Guanxi88
Cold and sliced, wrapped in plastic, respectively
You like your beer cold and sliced?
| 1064 |
Dave the..... Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:44:00pm |
Sorry, even with cheese of the finest quality, no low countries for me. I can get my beer and my cheese right here in the USA, the way G-d intended.
Being a huge fan of both products, I can tell you that there is no shortage of high quality beer and cheese from American producers.
| 1065 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:44:01pm |
re: #1063 Occasional Reader
You like your beer cold and sliced?
Is there any other way to have it, or cheese, for that matter?
| 1066 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:44:19pm |
re: #1052 Sharmuta
Sorry- I don't think anyone needs to visit europe to know turning to fascists is not the solution.
would make for a damn fine series of blogposts though. on the ground reporting... thats all.
if you want to bet on where a european civil war will start - it'll be holland and belgium. i am convinced that it will kick off there.
| 1067 |
Bob Dillon Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:44:29pm |
re: #1057 DisturbedEma
Oh yes. . .thanks, I am writing it down now. . .
It just hit me .... that was 41 years ago.
gaaaaaa
| 1068 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:44:30pm |
re: #1064 Dave the.....
Being a huge fan of both products, I can tell you that there is no shortage of high quality beer and cheese from American producers.
See, that's what I'm saying - there's nothing worth having that you can't get here.
| 1069 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:44:45pm |
re: #1060 Guanxi88
Sorry, even with cheese of the finest quality, no low countries for me. I can get my beer and my cheese right here in the USA, the way G-d intended.
:) well, as my home state until college was Wisconsin. . .I would have to applaud your decision and urge you to ignore the "happy cow California" ads. . .Wisconsin is best, our cows are stirred, not shaken!
| 1070 |
Occasional Reader Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:44:54pm |
re: #1065 Guanxi88
Is there any other way to have it, or cheese, for that matter?
I don't think I've ever sliced a beer, to be honest.
| 1071 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:45:27pm |
re: #1058 Brooklyn
I'm playing "Ride of the Valkyries" as I watch the Israeli airstrikes. I love the smell of burning Hamas in the morning. It smells like victory.
careful now. thats Wagner music.
/beloved of the Nazis.... (dont give our enemies ammo...)
| 1072 |
DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:45:59pm |
re: #1071 buzzdroid
careful now. thats Wagner music.
/beloved of the Nazis.... (dont give our enemies ammo...)
Yeah, but the Karma!
| 1073 |
LC LaWedgie Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:46:50pm |
The OIC whines... and Ky Moon listens.
| 1074 |
Lincolntf Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:46:53pm |
Talk about the difference political partisanship makes. Every self-respecting Leftist would swear that every Nazi is/was evil and should be wiped from the face of the Earth. But if someone suggests doing the same to Hamas, that person becomes a bigot and a hate-monger. And yet Hitler and Hamas are identical in their goals, both short term and long.
What is it about the Lefties that they hate Hitler while they love Hamas? Must be the moustache.
| 1075 |
buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:46:53pm |
re: #1072 DisturbedEma
Yeah, but the Karma!
agreed.. its tremendous music. love it myself.
ahh - the smell of crispy fried jihadist in the morning...
| 1076 |
Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:46:55pm |
re: #1070 Occasional Reader
I don't think I've ever sliced a beer, to be honest.
Well, you start off with a six-pack. You put that down the old gullet, grab a burger and fries, and then have about three mixed drinks. Take a breather, maybe grab a little coffee to keep you going, then have one bottled beer (1/2 draft) every twenty minutes until closing time.
Follow this regimen, and by the end of the night (or dawn's early light), you'll see that slicing a beer, or, indeed, doing just about anything, is a simple matter.
| 1077 |
FrogMarch Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:46:58pm |
re: #1062 DisturbedEma
My shul was a total shill fest. . .the victory party was pretty somber though. . .the donations were down and the expected 200 ended up being about 50. . .
I'm sorry but I'm confused by what you say. (I'm not Jewish)
is the shul being a total shit fest a good thing or a bad thing?
| 1078 |
NY Nana Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:47:15pm |
re: #177 MandyManners
I wonder if the IDF will have videos of this on Youtube.
If no one has posted it, here it is:
| 1079 |
Joo-LiZ Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:47:18pm |
re: #1050 DisturbedEma
What was that again? I remember the discussion, letters of the alphabet. . .
It is Japanese numbers,
Go-Ju-Go
5-10-5
| 1080 |
Lynn B. Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:47:55pm |
re: #981 NY Nana
There were, as when there is any disaster, a group of Orthodox volunteers, who will go on the Sabbath, even on Yom Kippur, to any place they are needed. They are called ZAKA.
They have been seen doing their service on many videos, including theirs. They show a caring and respect for the Jewish victims, and treat the bodies the same. I will not go into the details of what they do. I am a retired RN...
And I am a proud Jew. The Israeli girl who posted the video posted it today, and IMHO she was right. it is time that Israel, which has been beseiged all these years gets the world to see just what it is like, and what the arabs do, as if it were there profession.
I was 10 years old when the modern State of israel was 'allowed' to exist, and want to see an Israel free of this constant terror, and there is no better way than to actually see it. I will bet that a number of Orthodox Jews would agree.
AM YISROEL CHAI!
Nana, you are so right. But there's a different reason I personally am a little uncomfortable seeing videos like this posted and that's because of the perverse joy our enemies take in such pictures. As hard as it is to comprehend, I do believe that they relish and revel in seeing the carnage they create. I would wish to deny them that "pleasure," at least.
| 1081 |
Joo-LiZ Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:48:23pm |
re: #1077 FrogMarch
I'm sorry but I'm confused by what you say. (I'm not Jewish)
is the shul being a total shit fest a good thing or a bad thing?
Shul = Synagogue which is the jewish place of worship...
I'm not sure on her context though, but it is the Jewish equivalent of a church.
| 1082 |
desdichado Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:48:36pm |
| 1083 |
transient Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:49:44pm |
re: #1041 transient
Directly? No.
So far even Hizballah (Iranian proxy) has been silent.Iran has some long range rockets that could reach Israel, but they probably don't have the range or accuracy. Israel is vastly superior technologically.
Correction: they probably don't have many of those rockets (Shahab) with the range or accuracy to damage Israel.
Can't be certain Hizballah won't lob a few rockets into Israel in "solidarity," but hasn't happened yet, which I think is significant.
| 1084 |
FrogMarch Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:49:45pm |
re: #1078 NY Nana
Nice. I must do a better job of separating the Palestinians from Hamas. (I know many Palis voted Hamas in - but I suppose not all) Good. Excellent.
Root out those death-cult killers.
| 1085 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:50:01pm |
re: #1068 Guanxi88
See, that's what I'm saying - there's nothing worth having that you can't get here.
Really true. This is the advantage of a giant country with every kind of possible growing/herding climate, plus people from all over the world trying to get rich. Good food.
(Although my rabbi has a little etrog tree that stubbornly doesn't fruit until after Simchat Torah, which he believes is its way of making him buy Israeli. That, or Northern California is a little cooler than the Mediterranean. Either way.)
Does anyone remember the children's book The 21 Balloons, where they have the tiny economy based solely on diamonds and ethnic restaurants?
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buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:50:07pm |
re: #1074 Lincolntf
Talk about the difference political partisanship makes. Every self-respecting Leftist would swear that every Nazi is/was evil and should be wiped from the face of the Earth. But if someone suggests doing the same to Hamas, that person becomes a bigot and a hate-monger. And yet Hitler and Hamas are identical in their goals, both short term and long.
What is it about the Lefties that they hate Hitler while they love Hamas? Must be the moustache.
british government propaganda worked on the lefty moonbats to such an extent during WW2 that they now think that Hitler was "right wing".
even though his party was called the
National SOCIALIST German WORKERS Party...
hmmm.. a workers party that was "right wing". go figure that one out - well the lefty moonbats all fell for it.
was orchestrated by Churchill , in order to make the alliance with the USSR in WW2 more credible. label the Nazis as "right wing" , and you got the average Brit coal miner signing up for the army.
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winston06 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:50:09pm |
re: #405 pat
US, Australia, Canada, Germany, New Zealand, UK, Scandinavia....
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Dave the..... Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:50:27pm |
Disturbed Ema, actually Wisconsin says their cheese is better as it starts wtih the grass. Cows eat good grass (no factory farms) and then the milk and cheese is better.
They have always produced good chedders, swiss, colby, etc. But now the Wisc and Minnesota cheese factories have gotten into the really high end stuff. Saw some last night that was $19.99 a pound.
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FrogMarch Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:50:39pm |
re: #1081 Joo-LiZ
Shul = Synagogue which is the jewish place of worship...
I'm not sure on her context though, but it is the Jewish equivalent of a church.
got that part. But thanks!
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:51:00pm |
re: #1069 DisturbedEma
:) well, as my home state until college was Wisconsin. . .I would have to applaud your decision and urge you to ignore the "happy cow California" ads. . .Wisconsin is best, our cows are stirred, not shaken!
My grandfather loved those California cow ads...but he was a Kansas farm boy.
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DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:51:10pm |
re: #1077 FrogMarch
I'm sorry but I'm confused by what you say. (I'm not Jewish)
is the shul being a total shit fest a good thing or a bad thing?
sorry- shul= Temple shill- to shill, can be used to describe someone who rabidly supports a cause or person. . .shill for dear leader
shills used to be (and I HAVE HEARD STILL ARE) to attend among other things, funerals and be very vocal in their lamentations for the departed one. . .
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winston06 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:51:47pm |
re: #298 winston06
That guy Hooman Majd has acted as the official translator to Ahmadinnerjacket while he was in NYC. What the hell!?
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Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:52:02pm |
re: #1085 SanFranciscoZionist
Really true. This is the advantage of a giant country with every kind of possible growing/herding climate, plus people from all over the world trying to get rich. Good food.
Does anyone remember the children's book The 21 Balloons, where they have the tiny economy based solely on diamonds and ethnic restaurants?
Don't remember hearing about such a book, but I lived in a place sort of like that once. It was called Brookline, just outside of Boston.
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DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:52:34pm |
re: #1081 Joo-LiZ
Shul = Synagogue which is the jewish place of worship...
I'm not sure on her context though, but it is the Jewish equivalent of a church.
My shul's leadership and members was in the tank almost across the board for dear leader. . .sorry, got carried away. . .:)
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FrogMarch Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:53:20pm |
re: #1092 DisturbedEma
sorry- shul= Temple shill- to shill, can be used to describe someone who rabidly supports a cause or person. . .shill for dear leader
shills used to be (and I HAVE HEARD STILL ARE) to attend among other things, funerals and be very vocal in their lamentations for the departed one. . .
got it. so donations were down - as in-- down for Obama? so that's a good thing, right?
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DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:53:35pm |
re: #1095 DisturbedEma
My shul's leadership and members were in the tank almost across the board for dear leader. . .sorry, got carried away. . .:)
fixed
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Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:53:59pm |
re: #1094 Guanxi88
Don't remember hearing about such a book, but I lived in a place sort of like that once. It was called Brookline, just outside of Boston.
Nothing but Thai, Turkish, etc. food and jewelers. No idea how that all worked, but it did.
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coldpizza Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:54:10pm |
CNN is the New Aljazeera.. They suck and are pro terrorist. I plan on writing a stern letter to these pieces of shit..
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Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:54:36pm |
re: #1099 coldpizza
CNN is the New Aljazeera.. They suck and are pro terrorist. I plan on writing a stern letter to these pieces of shit..
Well, that ought to do it, I guess.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:54:44pm |
re: #1098 Guanxi88
Nothing but Thai, Turkish, etc. food and jewelers. No idea how that all worked, but it did.
Sounds delicious and sparkly.
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DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:55:01pm |
re: #1096 FrogMarch
got it. so donations were down - as in-- down for Obama? so that's a good thing, right?
yes, they gave so much to his cause . . .verbally, and did not rejoice in great numbers. . .
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Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:55:35pm |
re: #1101 SanFranciscoZionist
Sounds delicious and sparkly.
Oh, it was! And expensive like you couldn't believe. Still, a great place to be, even if I couldn't afford to live there. Ended up taking the T in years after I moved out.
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jwb7605 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:55:53pm |
re: #1084 FrogMarch
Nice. I must do a better job of separating the Palestinians from Hamas. (I know many Palis voted Hamas in - but I suppose not all) Good. Excellent.
Root out those death-cult killers.
I'm going to guess that some of the above group now feel like I suspect Obama voters will feel in a couple years.
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Lynn B. Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:56:18pm |
Oh great.
Police were searching Saturday night for a foreign reporter working for an Iranian TV network who reported the IDF incursion into Gaza before the military authorized the release of the information to the public.
Also Saturday evening, a reporter for the Lebanese LBC network who was broadcasting near the Gaza Strip said the IDF was moving from Nahal Oz towards the Nezarim junction. The reporter surmised that the military was planning to sever the Gaza Strip in half, effectively isolating Gaza City in an effort to minimize Hamas terrorists' ability to exploit urban areas.
The anchor reportedly stood in a vantage point overlooking the IDF staging grounds and reported military maneuvers.
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Joan Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:57:38pm |
re: #1034 FrogMarch
Obama will never say such a thing. He would piss off to many nazi loving leftists.
GWB resolute and patriotic, we were blessed to have him on deck on 9/11
As to the nazi-loving leftists, they don't know they are nazi-loving, because they have been addled by multiculturalism and Marxist doublethink. They think Nazis are Prussian pustules in jackboots now seen only in vintage movies and American skinhead communes.
As to the IDF I say, "Good Hunting."
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Macker Sat, Jan 3, 2009 2:57:50pm |
Just got home from work...I'm praying that the IDF will destroy Hamas in this ground action.
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lostlakehiker Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:01:38pm |
re: #680 mfarmer1
Can you imagine the Allies in WWII dropping food and medicine to the German troops while at the same time preparing to immediately engage them in ground warfare?
Israel has put its own troops in more danger by essentially supplying their enemy immediately prior to a ground invasion. It's insane.
The people of Gaza voted for their terrorist government, and well, they're responsible for Hamas being in power and should be forced to deal with the consequences.
I fear this action will end up like southern Lebanon and only empower Hamas.
This is a different kind of war. Israel doesn't have any worries about whether the Hamas Army will win and march to Beersheba. Hamas can only defend, and defending, can only string it out and run up the Israeli casualty list.
There are biblical rules of war: it is permitted to burn crops standing in the fields, [because hunger is a legitimate means of war]. It is not permitted to chop down olive groves, [because that's wanton destruction that has no impact on the war proportional to the long term damage done].
The philosophy behind that example suggests that Israel should try to limit the damage while achieving the main ends:
(1) push Hamas out of its rocket artillery firing positions, so that Sderot is no longer with range of Qasams and Beersheba no longer within range of Grads.
(2) Weaken Hamas so as to make a political shift to a less radical Palestinian government more likely, or failing that, to make Hamas less effective in its rocket siege of Israel.
Limited war for limited ends implies limited means. World War II is hardly a model war. We're not comfortable with some of the things we had to do [Hiroshima], and we're rightly ashamed of some of the things we did, though it served no real military purpose [Dresden]. This war should be fought with a due regard for the lives of innocents, taking into account that our own very existence is not much at risk. Nor, in this particular fight, is Israel's.
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Bob Dillon Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:02:51pm |
re: #1057 DisturbedEma
Oh yes. . .thanks, I am writing it down now. . .
Here's the link to the post.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
And Joo-LiZ provides the correct spelling:
It is Japanese numbers,
Go-Ju-Go
5-10-5
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buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:04:00pm |
re: #887 NY Nana
watched the entire video.
have to admit - i cant bring myself to post it left , right and centre to reddit, digg and youtube...
that video is SO gut wrenching , that i cant do it.
i'm sorry - but i dont agree with making political points over the images of dead innocents.
that is what my moral compass is telling me. others might disagree - but by god is it a POWERFUL video. no doubt about it. but i think i will leave this debate to others. i just have very strong moral feelings about promoting such a video.
sorry!
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Brooklyn Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:05:30pm |
re: #1071 buzzdroid
careful now. thats Wagner music.
beloved of the Nazis.... (dont give our enemies ammo...)
I'm just using their ammo. Besides, it was a reference to a great scene and a line from Apocalypse Now.
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Guanxi88 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:07:15pm |
re: #1113 buzzdroid
watched the entire video.
have to admit - i cant bring myself to post it left , right and centre to reddit, digg and youtube...
that video is SO gut wrenching , that i cant do it.
i'm sorry - but i dont agree with making political points over the images of dead innocents.
that is what my moral compass is telling me. others might disagree - but by god is it a POWERFUL video. no doubt about it. but i think i will leave this debate to others. i just have very strong moral feelings about promoting such a video.
sorry!
Well said, well said indeed! We're not ghouls - we don't feed on the dead.
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buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:07:19pm |
by the way - i wont have any objections to other folks promoting that vid - even charles on the front page of LGF..
its just that i PERSONALLY cannot do it. that is all.
i wont judge others on it, but thats just the way i feel about it.
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DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:09:50pm |
re: #1104 jwb7605
I'm going to guess that some of the above group now feel like I suspect Obama voters will feel in a couple years.
I always doubted the election process under Hamas- call me a cynic. . .I never bought that theirs was a democratic election- images of armed Hamas members at the polls made me think people would get the point who to vote for. . .
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SueG Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:10:39pm |
re: #887 NY Nana
There's one part in me that wants to see it, but one part that does not. As I saw once a video of someone being decapitated because i listened to the first one, I decide now to go with my second feeling and will not watch it.
I know you mean it well and perhaps for some it is hard to believe how horrific reality can be until they saw pictures of it, I'd rather respect the dead (and badly wounded) and prefer not to watch it.
I see unfortunately already enough bloody press pictures all the time as it's part of my job (so maybe ive seen them already anyhow), but i'd prefer not to see those (now or again).
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jwb7605 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:11:03pm |
re: #1117 DisturbedEma
I always doubted the election process under Hamas- call me a cynic. . .I never bought that theirs was a democratic election- images of armed Hamas members at the polls made me think people would get the point who to vote for. . .
You can't be serious!
Jimmy Carter certified it.
/
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buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:11:10pm |
re: #1115 Guanxi88
Well said, well said indeed! We're not ghouls - we don't feed on the dead.
maybe its my irish catholic background coming to the fore... all i remember as a kid in ireland is a strong respect for the dead. others might disagree - fair enough.
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DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:11:40pm |
re: #1119 jwb7605
You can't be serious!
Jimmy Carter certified it.
/
Well in that case. . .the election probably a total farce. . .
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buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:13:26pm |
re: #1118 SueG
There's one part in me that wants to see it, but one part that does not. As I saw once a video of someone being decapitated because i listened to the first one, I decide now to go with my second feeling and will not watch it.
I know you mean it well and perhaps for some it is hard to believe how horrific reality can be until they saw pictures of it, I'd rather respect the dead (and badly wounded) and prefer not to watch it.
I see unfortunately already enough bloody press pictures all the time as it's part of my job (so maybe ive seen them already anyhow), but i'd prefer not to see those (now or again).
yeah - the iraq hostage videos.
saw them.
and yet , the moonbats choose to ignore that evidence. that is when i decided to move to the right wing.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:14:14pm |
re: #1120 buzzdroid
maybe its my irish catholic background coming to the fore... all i remember as a kid in ireland is a strong respect for the dead. others might disagree - fair enough.
That's my dad's background, a couple generations removed, and he still crosses himself each time we pass a cemetery. No need to apologize for what you feel.
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desdichado Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:15:16pm |
I always learned that Democracy isn't the first election, it is the second election. When is Hamas going to call the next election?
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Joan Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:15:26pm |
re: #50 Ojoe
I hope in these last weeks we have seen the sea change in the civilized world's attitude toward murdering islam.
Delenda.
Ceterum censeo Hamas esse delendam
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buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:15:42pm |
re: #1124 SanFranciscoZionist
That's my dad's background, a couple generations removed, and he still crosses himself each time we pass a cemetery. No need to apologize for what you feel.
EXACTLY! my parents still do that...
/even though they are left wing hippies from the 60s....!
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DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:16:11pm |
re: #1125 desdichado
I always learned that Democracy isn't the first election, it is the second election. When is Hamas going to call the next election?
When they are finished getting p'wnd by the IDF?
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SueG Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:16:34pm |
re: #1122 buzzdroid
i hate to say right and left winged, coz i know in my heart im in many ways "left-winged" (on environmental and ethical level and concerning animal and labor rights), but yes - such ignorance and denial makes me run to "the other side". So I vote for some christian party instead; though it has some items I do not agree on (their view on gays e.g.) - but ya cant have it al, can you?
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Amy Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:16:56pm |
Just wanted to add my hopes and prayers for the brave men and women of the IDF. Get the job done and come home safely to your country and your families. You are our heroes.
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Macker Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:17:47pm |
re: #1125 desdichado
I always learned that Democracy isn't the first election, it is the second election. When is Hamas going to call the next election?
NEVER.
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itellu3times Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:18:43pm |
re: #1110 lostlakehiker
The philosophy behind that example suggests that Israel should try to limit the damage while achieving the main ends:
(1) push Hamas out of its rocket artillery firing positions, so that Sderot is no longer with range of Qasams and Beersheba no longer within range of Grads.
(2) Weaken Hamas so as to make a political shift to a less radical Palestinian government more likely, or failing that, to make Hamas less effective in its rocket siege of Israel.
Limited war for limited ends implies limited means. World War II is hardly a model war. We're not comfortable with some of the things we had to do [Hiroshima], and we're rightly ashamed of some of the things we did, though it served no real military purpose [Dresden]. This war should be fought with a due regard for the lives of innocents, taking into account that our own very existence is not much at risk. Nor, in this particular fight, is Israel's.
First, I'm not ashamed or uncomfortable with any of the things you list. Second, Gaza is too small to push anyone out of range of anything. Third, this kind of war is at least as likely to strengthen Hamas as weaken it, when Hamas has support of 51% of the electorate there.
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DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:18:48pm |
Sorry if this is a reprint. . .
Prayer for Members of the Israel Defense Force
He Who blessed our forefathers Abraham, Isaac and Jacob - may He bless the fighters of the Israel Defense Force, who stand guard over our land and the cities of our God from the border of the Lebanon to the desert of Egypt, and from the Great Sea unto the approach of the Aravah, on the land, in the air, and on the sea.
May Hashem cause the enemies who rise up against us to be struck down before them. May the Holy One, Blessed is He, preserve and rescue our fighting men from every trouble and distress and from every plague and illness, and may He send blessing and success in their every endeavor.
May He lead our enemies under their sway and may He grant them salvation and crown them with victory. And may there be fulfilled for them the verse: For it is Hashem, your God, Who goes with you to battle your enemies for you to save you.
Now let us respond: Amen.
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Venflon Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:18:58pm |
Just want to thank you all for your support... It's good to know not the entire world is against us.. as silly as it may sound.
I'm out.
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Amy Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:19:14pm |
re: #1080 Lynn B.
Nana, you are so right. But there's a different reason I personally am a little uncomfortable seeing videos like this posted and that's because of the perverse joy our enemies take in such pictures. As hard as it is to comprehend, I do believe that they relish and revel in seeing the carnage they create. I would wish to deny them that "pleasure," at least.
Yeah, "they" probably do revel in such photos, but I think that the Israelis have not done themselves a service by being so stoic and by hiding the real price of attacks by these heartless and soulless Arabs.
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buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:20:04pm |
re: #1129 SueG
i hate to say right and left winged, coz i know in my heart im in many ways "left-winged" (on environmental and ethical level and concerning animal and labor rights), but yes - such ignorance and denial makes me run to "the other side". So I vote for some christian party instead; though it has some items I do not agree on (their view on gays e.g.) - but ya cant have it al, can you?
SAME here... disagree with the traditional conservatives on so many issues... but thats what we got left.. and thats ok with me.
the last redoubt of sanity.
i'd much rather be surrounded by sane people i disagree with, than utterly insane people that want to kill me.
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Bob Dillon Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:20:14pm |
re: #1117 DisturbedEma
I always doubted the election process under Hamas- call me a cynic. . .I never bought that theirs was a democratic election- images of armed Hamas members at the polls made me think people would get the point who to vote for. . .
Sounds realistic to me.
If you were Italian or Sicilian in the US and the local Mafia Don let his wishes be known on the street. Would you consider that something you would resist or go with the flow?
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DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:20:58pm |
re: #1134 Venflon
Just want to thank you all for your support... It's good to know not the entire world is against us.. as silly as it may sound.
I'm out.
I am here supporting you everywhere you go!
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NY Nana Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:21:27pm |
re: #1080 Lynn B.
But there's a different reason I personally am a little uncomfortable seeing videos like this posted and that's because of the perverse joy our enemies take in such pictures. As hard as it is to comprehend, I do believe that they relish and revel in seeing the carnage they create. I would wish to deny them that "pleasure," at least.
I agree, Lynn, and ordinarily I would not have posted that video, but we are in what now is a war, and there will be far too many, G-d forbid, dead Jews.
Too angry to post right now...on the local ABC station, they are showing the anti-Israel demonstrations...rabid arabs and their equally rabid sympathizers..at the Israeli Consulate in NYC, and then in London, at the Embassy. And in NYC? Only a handful of Jews...it was in the afternoon, during Shabbat, of course.
I will have no tears when I see the enemy's casualties. Yet if ZAKA is on the scene, they will be treated with the very same respect as the Jews they massacred are. I do not even want to imagine what the arabs do to our heroes....
BBL when I am rational enough to post.
What makes me even more angry is that IMHO, the Israeli government waited too damed long...and I just hope they have the courage to finish what should have been finished years ago.
I hope that your Mum will be able to sleep tonight.
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buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:21:59pm |
re: #1133 DisturbedEma
AMEN.
i think i should stop now about talking about politics - our focus should be the IDF and their families.
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DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:22:29pm |
re: #1137 Bobibutu
Sounds realistic to me.
If you were Italian or Sicilian in the US and the local Mafia Don let his wishes be known on the street. Would you consider that something you would resist or go with the flow?
I would like to say I would say Eff it and do what I thought was right, and single, not the mother of 7, I totally would. . .but hard to say for sure. . .in real life
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jamgarr Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:22:30pm |
Andrea Mitchell just blamed Bush for Hamas being elected!
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buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:23:14pm |
re: #1134 Venflon
Just want to thank you all for your support... It's good to know not the entire world is against us.. as silly as it may sound.
I'm out.
UK here.. and i and my entire gentile family support Israel 100 per cent.
my 6 year old knows who the "bad guys" are.
/ did my bit... in a small way..
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DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:23:55pm |
re: #1139 NY Nana
When you are ready. . .and yeah, I feel the same way. . .
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uptight Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:24:03pm |
This is a bad mistake. Unnecessary. Too much exposure when they could just keep bombing Hamas.
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DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:24:35pm |
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AuntAcid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:24:40pm |
re: #1127 buzzdroid
EXACTLY! my parents still do that...
/even though they are left wing hippies from the 60s....!
Well guess who won't be inheriting the bong collection.
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buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:25:11pm |
hamas drones worldwide
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
if you thought anti-semitism died in 1945, think again.
GO IDF! wipe the fuckers out!
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DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:25:24pm |
re: #1145 uptight
This is a bad mistake. Unnecessary. Too much exposure when they could just keep bombing Hamas.
I disagree- they need to show they will go in and clean up. . .
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DisturbedEma Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:27:01pm |
Bless you all- I think I can face life again. . .do not feel so alone, thanks Lizards-
bbl
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Bob Dillon Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:28:12pm |
re: #1141 DisturbedEma
I would like to say I would say Eff it and do what I thought was right, and single, not the mother of 7, I totally would. . .but hard to say for sure. . .in real life
Most of these folks are relatively uneducated - tribal - highly emotional - easily led.
Having lived and worked within such groups - I can understand how Hamas easily took over.
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buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:28:37pm |
re: #1147 AuntAcid
Well guess who won't be inheriting the bong collection.
very anti-drugs my parents actually... they saw the damage it caused in the sixties first hand.
great parents by the way - actually thought that all that "progressive education" stuff was a ton of bollocks, and just instilled into me the "work hard" protestant ethic...
they were "progressive", but saw it was a ton of shite...
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buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:29:38pm |
re: #1150 DisturbedEma
Bless you all- I think I can face life again. . .do not feel so alone, thanks Lizards-
bbl
you are NOT alone.
i guess you are in israel?
if you are - you are not. we're with you -100 per cent.
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General Nimrod Bodfish Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:30:12pm |
Is there a place to watch a live stream from an Israeli station, preferably in English? Thanks for any links.
GO IDF!
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:30:45pm |
re: #1137 Bobibutu
Sounds realistic to me.
If you were Italian or Sicilian in the US and the local Mafia Don let his wishes be known on the street. Would you consider that something you would resist or go with the flow?
No, it's like being Sicilian in nineteenth-century Palermo, and the local Mafia Don lets his wishes be known. There's nowhere to run, unless you can emigrate, no one to give you support and protection if you step up and say no. There's also no vision of a better world to be gained if these people are destroyed--those generations went to America for that.
That's Gaza for you. An island controlled by gangsters. There really is nowhere to go for the vast majority of the people living there. No wonder Hamas' ideology is an easy sell--people have to have something to believe in.
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oldscouter Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:30:45pm |
You can't get rid of a rodent or insect infestation unless you go to the nest, and attack the root. No, I am not equating the palestinians with vermin or insects. However, they have let the Hamas vermin reside in their midst, and must bear the consequences. If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
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buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:31:12pm |
yeah - looking for a live TV stream here too... anyone got a link to an israeli station?
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TaeJohnDo Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:32:39pm |
re: #1118 SueG
There's one part in me that wants to see it, but one part that does not. As I saw once a video of someone being decapitated because i listened to the first one, I decide now to go with my second feeling and will not watch it.
I know you mean it well and perhaps for some it is hard to believe how horrific reality can be until they saw pictures of it, I'd rather respect the dead (and badly wounded) and prefer not to watch it.
I see unfortunately already enough bloody press pictures all the time as it's part of my job (so maybe ive seen them already anyhow), but i'd prefer not to see those (now or again).
The video should be available and seen by most Americans. So many times we see the sanitized film of terror victims but so many more times we see the unedited consequences of an Allied counter attack. Because of this, so many people think only the victims of our response suffer and so, we must be at fault. In addition, so many people grew up with the video game dead -- the ability to take multiple hits and the dead magically disappearing from the view.
Remember after 9-11 when they stopped showing the planes hitting the Towers and not showing the people who jumped to their death rather than burn? We forget too soon why we fight and the savagery of our enemies -- if we even knew to begin with.
I am not advocating out-right propaganda, but showing the truth of our war must be done.
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Bob Dillon Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:32:50pm |
re: #1156 SanFranciscoZionist
No, it's like being Sicilian in nineteenth-century Palermo, and the local Mafia Don lets his wishes be known. There's nowhere to run, unless you can emigrate, no one to give you support and protection if you step up and say no. There's also no vision of a better world to be gained if these people are destroyed--those generations went to America for that.
That's Gaza for you. An island controlled by gangsters. There really is nowhere to go for the vast majority of the people living there. No wonder Hamas' ideology is an easy sell--people have to have something to believe in.
Thank you - a much better analogy.
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Earth56 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:36:55pm |
re: #1134 Venflon
Just want to thank you all for your support... It's good to know not the entire world is against us.. as silly as it may sound.
I'm out.
I'll be in Israel on Wednesday and yes there are friends here
stay safe !
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buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:37:44pm |
Israel National Radio - English language
[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]
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NY Nana Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:38:29pm |
To any lizard I have not responded to? An apology.
I just am too angry and too upset about this war, and have friends in Israel, as many of us do..and also some have family there.
One of those I know is in her 30's, and I have known her since the day she was born...her Mum zt"l was one of my dearest friends. She and her husband and toddler daughter live in an area that is too close for comfort...
BBL, and please pray for the IDF, and all who serve...and for Israel to do what they did in 1967.
And please pray for all the lizards who live in Israel, their families and friends and neighbors.
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buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:39:25pm |
re: #1159 TaeJohnDo
its down to the jewish folks. if you are jewish yerself , i would speak to a rabbi first before going down that route. that would be my advice.
lets not go down the route of the death cult of the [bigoted word]s... we're better than that.
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Earth56 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:39:33pm |
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NY Nana Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:40:54pm |
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Brooklyn Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:41:52pm |
re: #1099 coldpizza
CNN is the New Aljazeera.. They suck and are pro terrorist. I plan on writing a stern letter to these pieces of shit..
Send them greetings (a raised middle finger would do fine) from Brooklyn.
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buzzdroid Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:44:33pm |
re: #1166 Earth56
I wish he still represented the USA !
go BOLTON... that guy has a head on his shoulders...
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SueG Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:45:37pm |
re: #1159 TaeJohnDo
Perhaps you are right, but I'd rather still have the possibility not to watch it. Youtube is outstanding for that as you do not need to click on the video to watch it. However, when it's shown on tv in the middle of something (even with a warning its graphic) they make you watch to something you might not have wanted to see out of respect for the dead.
But yes, if one side is showing the horrors of war explicitly and the other lacks to do so, it looks very much unbalanced and that's also not what we want.
Difficult... difficult...
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TaeJohnDo Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:47:02pm |
re: #1165 buzzdroid
its down to the jewish folks. if you are jewish yerself , i would speak to a rabbi first before going down that route. that would be my advice.
lets not go down the route of the death cult of the [bigoted word]s... we're better than that.
What route? What death cult? Too many people hear of a bomb on a bus and then a number and never think of the destruction and horror of it. The truth is not pretty but we never get close to the truth, do we?
It is more disrespectful of the dead if we fail to learn from them and allow more death and our destruction.
Have we heard of the Americans killed in India and the lives here forever changed because of it? No. To the media and so many others, it was just a small number, a statistic that may or may not be noted.
Nothing to see here folks, move along, no worry. And god forbid we respond to it.
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NY Nana Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:47:07pm |
re: #1166 Earth56
I wish he still represented the USA !
Same here...and we are not alone.
NY Grampa just took my blood glucose..oy! I have been ordered to go off line.
/I don't deal well with higher mathematics.
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TaeJohnDo Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:49:34pm |
re: #1170 SueG
Perhaps you are right, but I'd rather still have the possibility not to watch it. Youtube is outstanding for that as you do not need to click on the video to watch it. However, when it's shown on tv in the middle of something (even with a warning its graphic) they make you watch to something you might not have wanted to see out of respect for the dead.
But yes, if one side is showing the horrors of war explicitly and the other lacks to do so, it looks very much unbalanced and that's also not what we want.
Difficult... difficult...
I have not said it should be shoved down our throat.
But America needs to understand the reality of what our friends are facing, what our enemies want to give to us, and, I'm afraid, what we will eventually receive from them.
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freedombilly Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:52:21pm |
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freedombilly Sat, Jan 3, 2009 3:53:02pm |
re: #1172 NY Nana
Same here...and we are not alone.
NY Grampa just took my blood glucose..oy! I have been ordered to go off line.
/I don't deal well with higher mathematics.
Take care of yourself!
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yochanan Sat, Jan 3, 2009 4:02:01pm |
[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]
never been easy to be 'green'
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yochanan Sat, Jan 3, 2009 4:03:33pm |
re: #1164 NY Nana
ny nana me too
my son is in the I.D.F.
WE KNOW THE WORRY THAT ANY PARENT WHO'S SON IS IN SERVICE TO HIS COUNTRY, ISRAEL, OR AMERICA
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Spar Kling Sat, Jan 3, 2009 4:06:49pm |
re: #520 NY Nana
I got this video*
from an Israeli who I have known since he was 3...he is almost 50
now....he was the one who was pro-Obama, and we used to fight about it.
Now? He is sorry he voted for him, and scared for Israel.On the radio: 4 IDF killed....may the enemy lose 1 million for every murdered Jew.
*The video is in English...you will see Hebrew before it starts.
Thanks for posting the video. I showed it to everyone in my family!
-sk
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BakiShamil Sat, Jan 3, 2009 4:07:12pm |
Guys Unfortunately Israel have to assassinate that SOB that is hiding in Israel, then Hamas is completely 100% done
re: #17 Sharmuta
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ichef Sat, Jan 3, 2009 4:17:19pm |
Of course the UN chimes in .... for Hamas. Fox says the UN in-security council condemned Israel with NO MENTION of Hamas terrorist rocket attacks etc.
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NY Nana Sat, Jan 3, 2009 4:31:21pm |
re: #1175 freedombilly
Too many wars in my life time...and for Israel?
It hurts emotionally. And on top of this, a friend's husband who is a General in the US Army, and was stationed at the Pentagon, is on his way to Iraq, where he has been deployed.
He will be an administrative position, but still....
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NY Nana Sat, Jan 3, 2009 4:33:32pm |
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NY Nana Sat, Jan 3, 2009 4:37:55pm |
re: #1177 yochanan
my son is in the I.D.F.
WE KNOW THE WORRY THAT ANY PARENT WHO'S SON IS IN SERVICE TO HIS COUNTRY, ISRAEL, OR AMERICA
G-d bless your son. Please send me his Hebrew name so that I can pray for him.
My name is blue...
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Lynn B. Sat, Jan 3, 2009 4:39:57pm |
re: #1139 NY Nana
I agree, Lynn, and ordinarily I would not have posted that video, but we are in what now is a war, and there will be far too many, G-d forbid, dead Jews.
Too angry to post right now...on the local ABC station, they are showing the anti-Israel demonstrations...rabid arabs and their equally rabid sympathizers..at the Israeli Consulate in NYC, and then in London, at the Embassy. And in NYC? Only a handful of Jews...it was in the afternoon, during Shabbat, of course.
I will have no tears when I see the enemy's casualties. Yet if ZAKA is on the scene, they will be treated with the very same respect as the Jews they massacred are. I do not even want to imagine what the arabs do to our heroes....
BBL when I am rational enough to post.
What makes me even more angry is that IMHO, the Israeli government waited too damed long...and I just hope they have the courage to finish what should have been finished years ago.
I hope that your Mum will be able to sleep tonight.
Thanks Nana. She's very worried, of course and was hoping they wouldn't send the troops in. But how could they not? As long as the weapons and the factories are there and intact, it will all just start over again (it might anyway) and as she reminds me a lot of it is buried deep. Probably beneath children's beds.
I'm trying to give the (current) Israeli govt (one last) benefit of the doubt and assume the interminable delay was at least in large part to get all of the intel and the planning and the PR done right this time. We'll see.
If you haven't already, go do something relaxing and bring your blood sugar down. Please.
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leereyno Sat, Jan 3, 2009 4:44:46pm |
re: #6 Jetpilot1101
The idiot reporter on FNC just said he spent a lot of time with Hamas and they have a whole lot of IED's ready for the IDF. Time for a swift kick in the gonads for him.
How is reporting this a bad thing? Forewarned is forearmed.
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Lynn B. Sat, Jan 3, 2009 4:48:52pm |
re: #1187 leereyno
How is reporting this a bad thing? Forewarned is forearmed.
Reporting enemy propaganda that was disseminated for purposes of demoralizing our side's troops is a bad thing. And FNC has been doing a lot of that today.
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Lynn B. Sat, Jan 3, 2009 4:51:27pm |
re: #1187 leereyno
How is reporting this a bad thing? Forewarned is forearmed.
P.S. I expect the IDF has its own sources of intel on these things. If they need forewarning by Fox News then they're really in deep do-do.
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Areopagitica Sat, Jan 3, 2009 4:52:54pm |
May G-d protect the IDF in its mission to wipe out the cancer that is Hamas.
I caught a glimpse of the end of the anti-Israel rally in Chicago at the end of the week. It was sad seeing all the high school looking kids protesting wearing their "peace scarfs" and "end the occupation" signs.
I guess they've been brainwashed to think (1) that Israel's withdrawal from Gaza was meaningless and (2) that Israel (and Egypt) have no right (under international law) to defend and control the borders. What a shame, I was itching to go ask them why their brothers in Gaza destroyed those greenhouses and built the smuggling tunnels, why were their brothers so dumb as to not smuggle in food and medicine instead of weapons if they are having such a humanitarian crisis, and what the deal was with the Hamas charter (which they probably have never bothered to read), but it was Friday at the end of the work day.
Good to see Christine Amanpour talking about the number of gazans killed vs. the number of Israelis killed, I think we need a thread or link about how this whole proportionality BS started. The reporter on MSNBC said that the Palestinians were being victimized presumably by the IDF and Fox was reporting that Al Jazeera and Al Arabya have been running the story with an "Israel v. the Muslim world" slant instead of an "Israel v. rocket launching Hamas thugs" slant. I'm expecting to see mass demonstrations of rage in the coming days and a few dozen anti-Israel/anti-semitic/Hamas did nothing wrong resolutions to be issued by the OIC...errr... United Nations / League of Nations
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joncelli Sat, Jan 3, 2009 5:05:53pm |
re: #67 buzzdroid
Actually it was the Israelis who taught US forces about urban operations. The IDF has a huge amount of experience in MOUT. The US could provide advice about its recent experience but the IDF wrote the book.
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offendi Sat, Jan 3, 2009 5:07:45pm |
To those posters here whose children are now serving in Zahal I say kol ha'kavod to you, both. Their service has meaning far beyond words to the future of the Jewish people.
Let it be that they who enter Gaza all come home. There have been darker hours and times in Israel's history, and this is neither the beginning nor the end of the trying days.
The premise of the Zionist enterprise was that Jews would be a soverign people in their own land with an army to defend their rights and security.
In past days and now these we see the wisdom and need of this, as the world complains bitterly about Israel's actions, but Hamas shoots rockets at civilians with impunity.
Al Ha'kefaq to the boys in Gaza tonight and in the days to come.
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Fearless Fred Sat, Jan 3, 2009 5:20:05pm |
U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon called for an immediate end to Israel's ground operation in Gaza on Saturday
~UNITED NATIONS
I can't keep up with all the weird reasons we belong to this thug-club.
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yochanan Sat, Jan 3, 2009 5:35:20pm |
this is what the A.N.S.W.E.R. scum are supporting
“Itbach al Yahud” (slaughter the Jews)
“Falastin balad’na w’al Yahud qalab’na” (Palestine is our land and the Jews are our dogs)
“ba ruh, ba dam, nafdeek ya Falastin” (with our soul, with our blood, we will cleanse you oh Palestine),
“al mawt al Yahud” (death to the Jews),
“Khaybar Khaybar ya Yahud, jaish-Muhammad saya’ud” (Khaybar Khaybar oh Jews, the army of Muhammad will return
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least Sat, Jan 3, 2009 5:35:50pm |
re: #942 SanFranciscoZionist
. . . if you're using Israeli-Arabs as a synonym for Palestinians here, please don't. Israeli Arabs have Israeli citizenship, many of them serve in the IDF, and their record in a really unpleasant situation has been darn decent.
Just sayin'
You're right. But many Arabs with Israeli citizenship have a much greater loyalty to their Palestinian kinfolk than to the nation that allows them much more freedom than any other ME country.
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izbliss Sat, Jan 3, 2009 5:44:38pm |
I wore my IDF shirt with pride all day today. Unfortunately I didn't get any comments. I was really hoping I'd get the opportunity to explain WHY I support Israel.
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rockman Sat, Jan 3, 2009 7:18:53pm |
I'm hoping there is an Israeli Patton in the IDF, straining at his political leash.
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Ilan Toren Sat, Jan 3, 2009 10:40:02pm |
In our community we are experiencing our first major battle where our children are being sent to battle. One of my friends sons is in armour (Makor Rishon took his picture with him praying in his tefillin while on his tank). We have one family with a son in Golani and in Egoz. Another with a son in Sayeret Givati. It is not an easy time. My son may be also called back in but if it he is, he'll be heading north.
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dancingbear1564 Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:06:20pm |
go with god boys and girls. Just remember a boot in the ass is better than a boot on the throat.
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Spar Kling Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:14:35pm |
re: #1194 Fearless Fred
U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon called for an immediate end to Israel's ground operation in Gaza on Saturday
~UNITED NATIONS
I can't keep up with all the weird reasons we belong to this thug-club.
What is galling is the complete lack of concern by the UN when the rockets and mortars were hitting Israel. This hypocracy continues to be untouched by anything remotely resembling ethical values.
The UN is completely corrupt, morally, politically, and financially, yet the moonbats want to give it the power to tax the world (read the US) and consider it the World's only hope for peace.
God help us if they ever do get their wish. It will be the peace of the gravestone for the Jews and any other "inconvenient" people.
-sk
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I Need A Bigger Gun Sat, Jan 3, 2009 11:40:50pm |
Good to see that the operation is starting at night. Not only will the NVG's of the ground forces provide an advantage, but the Apaches should be providing close ground support, and there is no better nighttime weapons platform around.
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alkmyst Sun, Jan 4, 2009 5:28:45am |
Things are finally looking up over here in Jerusalem.
Of cours, it's obvious that this incursion is schedulaed just in time to save Livni's ass, and possibly Ehud Barak's political career, but I for one am much, much happier that at very least they're doing something, even if it's timed for political gain.
Ehud Barak is Israel's most decorated soldier ever, and the best place he can be for the country is in uniform, not in office.
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Dr. Shalit Sun, Jan 4, 2009 8:38:16am |
re: #1198 rockman
I'm hoping there is an Israeli Patton in the IDF, straining at his political leash.
rockman -
Does the name ARIEL SHARON ring a bell? Problem is that in Israel, PATTONS become "CHUMPSKYS" while in office. Why? - I don't know - it has happened to Dayan, Rabin, Barak, Sharon and to an extent to Netenyahu as well.
-S-
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