Colbert and Julian Assange of Wikileaks

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Editor of Wikileaks Julian Assange defends his decision to publish the Apache helicopter attack video; and Stephen Colbert asks tough questions.

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mbruce Tue, Apr 13, 2010 5:43:37pm

Making Pravda proud.
Another tool in the wall,disgusting.

jamesfirecat Tue, Apr 13, 2010 5:46:41pm

re: #1 mbruce

Making Pravda proud.
Another tool in the wall,disgusting.

Just to be clear, you better not be talking about Stephen....

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Apr 13, 2010 5:49:01pm

re: #1 mbruce

Making Pravda proud.
Another tool in the wall,disgusting.

wut

reine.de.tout Tue, Apr 13, 2010 5:49:31pm

The rights of the press are outside of the law?

Locker Tue, Apr 13, 2010 5:50:40pm

I don't really get the whole Pravda thing... someone explain for the clueless one(s).

reine.de.tout Tue, Apr 13, 2010 5:51:38pm

They released the edited tape under the title "Collateral Murder" for the purpose of political impact? He admits this?

darthstar Tue, Apr 13, 2010 5:51:46pm

re: #5 Locker

I don't really get the whole Pravda thing... someone explain for the clueless one(s).

Someone is irony-challenged.

Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 13, 2010 5:53:11pm

Colbert really did make him squirm a bit here. Almost thought he dropped his character for a few moments.

Cato the Elder Tue, Apr 13, 2010 5:53:59pm

re: #6 reine.de.tout

They released the edited tape under the title "Collateral Murder" for the purpose of political impact? He admits this?

Why not?

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Apr 13, 2010 5:54:00pm

re: #6 reine.de.tout

They released the edited tape under the title "Collateral Murder" for the purpose of political impact? He admits this?

Wikileaks is a whistleblower website, its entire mission is political impact, I'd imagine...

jamesfirecat Tue, Apr 13, 2010 5:54:50pm

re: #8 Charles

Colbert really did make him squirm a bit here. Almost thought he dropped his character for a few moments.

Well to be fair, I'd rather get an interesting conversation than have Stephen be a perfect performance artist...

Besides its not like its gonna get those people who think he's a conservative to change their mind...

jamesfirecat Tue, Apr 13, 2010 5:55:28pm

re: #10 WindUpBird

Wikileaks is a whistleblower website, its entire mission is political impact, I'd imagine...

Stephen said that they also released the Climategate story/info, make of that what you will....

Cato the Elder Tue, Apr 13, 2010 5:56:00pm

Sarah Palin lied about death panils using her son Trig as the imaginary "victim" for political impact.

Locker Tue, Apr 13, 2010 5:56:45pm

re: #7 darthstar

Someone is irony-challenged.

Laugh. I'm fine with irony but for the impact to be made I have to understand both sides of the comparison and I don't get how this video (or pravda) is ironic when comparing one to the other. I'm sure it makes sense, I'm just ignorant and looking for information.

So out with it smartass ;)

reine.de.tout Tue, Apr 13, 2010 5:57:00pm

re: #9 Cato the Elder

Why not?

I prefer his honesty about it rather than have him trying to wriggle out of it.

The Brietbart tapes were also edited tapes, edited to show events as they did NOT happen, and released solely for political impact.

I don't like either side doing it.

Cato the Elder Tue, Apr 13, 2010 5:57:13pm

re: #13 Cato the Elder

ΠΙΜΦ: "deth panils"

windsagio Tue, Apr 13, 2010 5:57:42pm

re: #12 jamesfirecat

This is where we miss old Woodward/Bernstein investigative reporting (long dead now).

Wikileaks is a cool resource, but it needs real investigators to check the stuff out.

reine.de.tout Tue, Apr 13, 2010 5:57:57pm

re: #13 Cato the Elder

Sarah Palin lied about death panils using her son Trig as the imaginary "victim" for political impact.

Agreed.
And wrong to do, IMO.

jamesfirecat Tue, Apr 13, 2010 5:59:33pm

re: #15 reine.de.tout

I prefer his honesty about it rather than have him trying to wriggle out of it.

The Brietbart tapes were also edited tapes, edited to show events as they did NOT happen, and released solely for political impact.

I don't like either side doing it.

What do you imagine might be in the unedited tapes? I thought that the tapes were unedited, just given a name which seems over dramatic and incorrect.

brookly red Tue, Apr 13, 2010 5:59:48pm

re: #13 Cato the Elder

Sarah Palin lied about death panils using her son Trig as the imaginary "victim" for political impact.

/wow... all roads do lead to Rome.

Randall Gross Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:00:44pm

You can clearly see that Wikileaks is biased and acting as a political operative. It's not about information or journalism in my view. Colbert uses not so humorous humor in acerbic manner here to flay Assange over his somewhat hyperbolic portrayal of the incident.

What Assange is doing is akin to Breitbart, but not quite the same or as high a level of subterfuge. In Breitbart's case he's sending in actors and editing to manufacture news. With Assange he's "leaking" selective bits of real events and information and priming the audience towards how they should receive it. Of the two Assange is the lesser of two evils, but he's evil nonetheless -- he's much more masterful with his agitprop than Breitbart as well.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:01:39pm

re: #12 jamesfirecat

Stephen said that they also released the Climategate story/info, make of that what you will...

puts them on par with Drudge, i guess!

reine.de.tout Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:02:22pm

re: #19 jamesfirecat

What do you imagine might be in the unedited tapes? I thought that the tapes were unedited, just given a name which seems over dramatic and incorrect.

The wiki tape?
I saw the unedited version.
Killgore posted them, IIRC.

brookly red Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:02:41pm

re: #22 WindUpBird

puts them on par with Drudge, i guess!

give or take a few viewer's...

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:02:51pm

re: #17 windsagio

This is where we miss old Woodward/Bernstein investigative reporting (long dead now).

Wikileaks is a cool resource, but it needs real investigators to check the stuff out.

replaced by editorializing-as-news! real correspondents? What are those?

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:03:25pm

re: #24 brookly red

give or take a few viewer's...

well, yeah, but they're a little more specialized in their mission ;-)

Ebetty Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:03:48pm

Colbert, as usual, disarms the guest. Excellent interview, and really good that he got Assange on the record about his intent. Not sure who said it above about Breitbart, but he could learn some lessons about honesty from Assange.

Not a fan of wikileaks but am glad they have a channel for their speech. Unlike Code Pink, they aren't prone to bad craziness. Unlike the ANSWER protesters, they aren't prone to violence. Assange is honest and that goes a long way.

jamesfirecat Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:03:51pm

re: #23 reine.de.tout

The wiki tape?
I saw the unedited version.
Killgore posted them, IIRC.

I've got a sensitive stomach, can you give me a quick run through of the difference between the unedited version and the one that Wikileaks put up?

brookly red Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:04:50pm

re: #26 WindUpBird

well, yeah, but they're a little more specialized in their mission ;-)

I think# 21 nailed it.

Ebetty Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:04:52pm

BBL

Vicious Michigan Union Thug Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:05:06pm

re: #6 reine.de.tout

They released the edited tape under the title "Collateral Murder" for the purpose of political impact? He admits this?

Yes.

Killgore Trout Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:05:15pm

Wow, he did a really good job on this one.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:05:18pm

re: #27 Ebetty

hahaha yes, Code Pink, so totally relevant right now, because we're constantly hearing about them every day

Batman Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:05:23pm

re: #28 jamesfirecat

I've got a sensitive stomach, can you give me a quick run through of the difference between the unedited version and the one that Wikileaks put up?

They were both put up by Wikileaks. They encourage you to see the full version. One of the things Colbert hits them on is the fact that only one in ten viewers actually do and they know that.

reine.de.tout Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:05:39pm

re: #28 jamesfirecat

I've got a sensitive stomach, can you give me a quick run through of the difference between the unedited version and the one that Wikileaks put up?

Nope.
If you watched the edited tape, the unedited one won't upset you.
Do a search for Killgore for the last week, and you'll find it.

Locker Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:05:40pm

re: #21 Thanos

You can clearly see that Wikileaks is biased and acting as a political operative. It's not about information or journalism in my view. Colbert uses not so humorous humor in acerbic manner here to flay Assange over his somewhat hyperbolic portrayal of the incident.

What Assange is doing is akin to Breitbart, but not quite the same or as high a level of subterfuge. In Breitbart's case he's sending in actors and editing to manufacture news. With Assange he's "leaking" selective bits of real events and information and priming the audience towards how they should receive it. Of the two Assange is the lesser of two evils, but he's evil nonetheless -- he's much more masterful with his agitprop than Breitbart as well.

I've been around for lots and lots of years and I have never heard or seen the word "agitprop" and today, in the space of a few hours, I've seen it twice. Now I'm not saying that Thanos and Andrew Breitbart are the same person... I'm JUST asking questions...

windsagio Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:05:48pm

re: #26 WindUpBird

I demand more cats!

jamesfirecat Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:06:31pm

re: #35 reine.de.tout

Nope.
If you watched the edited tape, the unedited one won't upset you.
Do a search for Killgore for the last week, and you'll find it.

I haven't watched either one yet... I'm following Stephen's advice about how I'll thank him for putting up the kitten pictures....

brookly red Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:06:42pm

re: #33 WindUpBird

hahaha yes, Code Pink, so totally relevant right now, because we're constantly hearing about them every day

it so sucks to outlive your usefulness...

bratwurst Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:06:59pm

re: #33 WindUpBird

hahaha yes, Code Pink, so totally relevant right now, because we're constantly hearing about them every day

As an LGF reader, I actually DO hear about Code Pink pretty much every day...especially if I am up early.

Locker Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:07:25pm

re: #33 WindUpBird

hahaha yes, Code Pink, so totally relevant right now, because we're constantly hearing about them every day

Honestly I never heard of Code Pink before coming to LGF last fall. Still don't really know who they are but they sure are popular around these parts.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:07:38pm

re: #29 brookly red

I think# 21 nailed it.

So they're political operatives for all sides at once? Wikileaks was instrumental in the Climategate thing, for example.

Vicious Michigan Union Thug Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:07:55pm

re: #33 WindUpBird

hahaha yes, Code Pink, so totally relevant right now, because we're constantly hearing about them every day

Their War on Ahava got very little attention.

Buy Ahava products!

Randall Gross Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:08:00pm

re: #36 Locker

Shhh.. don't tell them about the blue blouses either....

brookly red Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:09:02pm

re: #42 WindUpBird

So they're political operatives for all sides at once? Wikileaks was instrumental in the Climategate thing, for example.

Hmmm, lemmie think about that...

reine.de.tout Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:09:11pm

re: #44 Thanos

Shhh.. don't tell them about the blue blouses either...

/

I so want my blue blouse!
How long does it take to qualify?

Killgore Trout Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:09:24pm

re: #28 jamesfirecat

I've got a sensitive stomach, can you give me a quick run through of the difference between the unedited version and the one that Wikileaks put up?

They edited out stuff about the ground troops being pinned down by small arms and rpg's. They edited out a lot of the chatter of the pilots getting permission to fire. The worst thing they took out is there was a van in the area moving enemy fighters. The van actually shows up in the unedited version. When the van (which contained two young children) pulls up to rescue the journalist and his armed escort the pilots don't see the children and are eager to fire before they escape.

jamesfirecat Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:09:26pm

re: #37 windsagio

I demand more cats!

Since you insist!

Image: funny-pictures-cat-fell-apart.jpg

Image: funny-pictures-kitten-hates-fan.jpg

[Link: icanhascheezburger.com...]

Locker Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:09:40pm

re: #44 Thanos

Shhh.. don't tell them about the blue blouses either...

/

Oh... my... GAWD! WTF is my illuminati bat phone, I need to call this one in immediately.

Batman Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:09:45pm

re: #42 WindUpBird

So they're political operatives for all sides at once? Wikileaks was instrumental in the Climategate thing, for example.

Libertarians deny AGW as well as disapprove of the wars. Wikileaks strikes me as more libertarian than liberal or conservative. Their presupposition that everything bad is the government's fault and everything the government does is bad is a huge clue.

Randall Gross Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:10:34pm

re: #46 reine.de.tout

I so want my blue blouse!
How long does it take to qualify?

Do you mean after your apprenticeship with the Trotsky Troubadours, or inclusive of that time?

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:11:03pm

re: #41 Locker

Honestly I never heard of Code Pink before coming to LGF last fall. Still don't really know who they are but they sure are popular around these parts.

They're a liberal anti-war group (anti Iraq war specifically) that hollers a lot and often sneaks into congres to holler some more. They're often derided for their use of zany puppets. And they're often ginned up as a false equivalency thing to Tea Partiers, these days. Because anti war women are exactly the same as insane racists and secessionists :D

reine.de.tout Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:11:43pm

re: #51 Thanos

Do you mean after your apprenticeship with the Trotsky Troubadours, or inclusive of that time?

Inclusive of course, that way I qualify quicker, doncha know?

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:12:19pm

Guys, OT: A friend of a friend has a newborn son facing some bad medical issues. Prayers for Grant, son of Jill and Steven, are greatly appreciated.

Dancing along the light of day Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:12:19pm

re: #13 Cato the Elder

TYPO!

reine.de.tout Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:12:27pm

re: #52 WindUpBird

They're a liberal anti-war group (anti Iraq war specifically) that hollers a lot and often sneaks into congres to holler some more. They're often derided for their use of zany puppets. And they're often ginned up as a false equivalency thing to Tea Partiers, these days. Because anti war women are exactly the same as insane racists and secessionists :D

Those few wacky women pulled some pretty crazy stunts in their day. Which is long gone.

reine.de.tout Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:12:46pm

re: #54 SanFranciscoZionist

Guys, OT: A friend of a friend has a newborn son facing some bad medical issues. Prayers for Grant, son of Jill and Steven, are greatly appreciated.

done.

Vicious Michigan Union Thug Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:12:59pm

re: #52 WindUpBird

They're a liberal anti-war group (anti Iraq war specifically) that hollers a lot and often sneaks into congres to holler some more. They're often derided for their use of zany puppets. And they're often ginned up as a false equivalency thing to Tea Partiers, these days. Because anti war women are exactly the same as insane racists and secessionists :D

They're also very anti-Israel.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:13:02pm

re: #50 nonsense

Libertarians deny AGW as well as disapprove of the wars. Wikileaks strikes me as more libertarian than liberal or conservative. Their presupposition that everything bad is the government's fault and everything the government does is bad is a huge clue.

They're swedish, and I'm more familiar with their metal scene than their political axis.

I suspect it's more that they just want to be the website that breaks the big story, and any big authority that can be taken down a notch by them is fair game. They're gunning for political impact, but from a selfish perspective, if that makes any sense.

Locker Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:13:53pm

re: #52 WindUpBird

They're a liberal anti-war group (anti Iraq war specifically) that hollers a lot and often sneaks into congres to holler some more. They're often derided for their use of zany puppets. And they're often ginned up as a false equivalency thing to Tea Partiers, these days. Because anti war women are exactly the same as insane racists and secessionists :D

Then they are THE false equivalent around here it seems. I've seen code pink used in so many "they are just as bad" posts it's not even remotely humorous.

Dancing along the light of day Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:14:16pm

re: #54 SanFranciscoZionist

Guys, OT: A friend of a friend has a newborn son facing some bad medical issues. Prayers for Grant, son of Jill and Steven, are greatly appreciated.

Prayers sent for the child AND the family.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:14:30pm

re: #58 Alouette

They're also very anti-Israel.

I realize that. (Note I'm no fan, they make reasonable liberals look irrational and bonkers) But they're not on the level of the TPers. They're currently a blip.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:14:43pm

re: #5 Locker

I don't really get the whole Pravda thing... someone explain for the clueless one(s).

Old Soviet newspaper. Name means 'truth'. Rather ironic, since it ran the party line. Hence, used to refer to disinformation or manipulation of the news for political purposes.

The other Soviet newspaper was Izvestiya, 'news'. Old joke--"There's no pravda in Izvestiya, and there's no izvestiya in Pravda."

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:14:46pm

re: #60 Locker

Then they are THE false equivalent around here it seems. I've seen code pink used in so many "they are just as bad" posts it's not even remotely humorous.

Exactly!

Randall Gross Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:15:17pm

The problem with wikileaks is you don't know what to believe or disbelieve because at several points they've been dishonest. I can attack them for being dishonest, but as to their bias I think Colbert hit it dead on at the end of the segment. They are biased towards sensationalist information that will draw them hits, and if it takes showing dead bodies or lying about their founders they will do it.

Locker Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:15:39pm

re: #54 SanFranciscoZionist

Guys, OT: A friend of a friend has a newborn son facing some bad medical issues. Prayers for Grant, son of Jill and Steven, are greatly appreciated.

Well... I don't pray but I can do this...

I can see a perfect and complete picture of the little one pulling through and everything being OK.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:15:54pm

re: #65 Thanos

The problem with wikileaks is you don't know what to believe or disbelieve because at several points they've been dishonest. I can attack them for being dishonest, but as to their bias I think Colbert hit it dead on at the end of the segment. They are biased towards sensationalist information that will draw them hits, and if it takes showing dead bodies or lying about their founders they will do it.

THERRRRE we go. That's the stuff right there.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:16:09pm

re: #20 brookly red

/wow... all roads do lead to Rome.

No, all roads lead to Wasilla.

But I'll do Cato one better. Sarah Palin may have lied about Trig and the death panels, but Al Sharpton lied about Tawana Brawley.

Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:16:35pm

That guy bears a disturbing resemblance to Bill Maher.

brookly red Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:16:38pm

re: #65 Thanos

The problem with wikileaks is you don't know what to believe or disbelieve because at several points they've been dishonest. I can attack them for being dishonest, but as to their bias I think Colbert hit it dead on at the end of the segment. They are biased towards sensationalist information that will draw them hits, and if it takes showing dead bodies or lying about their founders they will do it.

shades of grey ?

Locker Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:16:54pm

re: #63 SanFranciscoZionist

Thank you very much.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:17:41pm

re: #33 WindUpBird

hahaha yes, Code Pink, so totally relevant right now, because we're constantly hearing about them every day

Code Pink is eternal. A classic. Like Chanel No. 5. Or Lobster Thermidor.

Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:17:50pm

I'm here for a quick joke...

A couple decided to come up with a test to see what their young son might grow up to be by testing the kinds of things he was attracted to.

The mother and father set up a table. They put an art book (to represent the arts) a Bible (to represent a calling to faith) a small telescope (to represent the sciences) a ten dollar bill (to represent finance) and a cap gun (to represent a military bent). Over the objections of the mother, the father also left a bottle of whiskey.

The parents hid and waited to see what their boy would do when he found the table.

The boy came in to the room and knocked over the telescope collecting the $10. He briefly flipped through the bible only to put it down. After taking a long pull from the bottle of whiskey, the boy saw the cap gun and began playing with it. When the cap went off and made a loud bang, the boy dropped the cap gun. He left the room with the whiskey, the ten, and the bible.

"Dear God!" exclaimed the father. "He's going to be a Republican!"

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:18:25pm

re: #39 brookly red

it so sucks to outlive your usefulness...

They're still busy, actually. I hear about them a lot, but that's because I'm involved in Israel activism in the Bay Area.

Batman Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:18:26pm

re: #59 WindUpBird

Not much is known about the actual people behind it. But Assange is apparently an Australian. I have a feeling they're hosted in Sweden for legal reasons. Isn't The Pirate Bay hosted there for similar reasons? I don't know their exact politics, but it seems a bit more than simply trying to make an impact. I think they just distrust all government no matter what.

Randall Gross Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:19:21pm

Wikileaks hasn't quite had their Geraldo moment yet, but I can see it coming in their future.

prairiefire Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:20:57pm

re: #21 Thanos

Ain't that what this blog is all about?

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:21:20pm

re: #75 nonsense

Not much is known about the actual people behind it. But Assange is apparently an Australian. I have a feeling they're hosted in Sweden for legal reasons. Isn't The Pirate Bay hosted there for similar reasons? I don't know their exact politics, but it seems a bit more than simply trying to make an impact. I think they just distrust all government no matter what.

I don't ascribe a solely anti-government motive to them, because they've gone after plenty of corporations too. They've gone after banks, they've gone after Scientology... it's what Thanos said.

Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:21:34pm

re: #54 SanFranciscoZionist

Guys, OT: A friend of a friend has a newborn son facing some bad medical issues. Prayers for Grant, son of Jill and Steven, are greatly appreciated.

Those prayers will be sent by me. I wish your friend and his child the best.

brookly red Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:22:13pm

re: #74 SanFranciscoZionist

They're still busy, actually. I hear about them a lot, but that's because I'm involved in Israel activism in the Bay Area.

I guess it is a regional thing... in these parts code pink is a shade of nail polish favored by Jr. HS types.... mostly girls.

prairiefire Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:23:51pm

re: #76 Thanos

re: #54 SanFranciscoZionist

All prayers for Grant, Blessed Father, hear our prayers.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:24:03pm

re: #41 Locker

Honestly I never heard of Code Pink before coming to LGF last fall. Still don't really know who they are but they sure are popular around these parts.

I had a similar experience with Soros.

Code Pink is a small, Berkeley-based (well, Albany until they sold the cottage) organization. They're mostly older hippie ladies, of the less nice kind, who protest stuff the United States and Israel do, typical knee-jerk left-wing causes, and do a lot of actions and street theater around their pet 'things'. They are led by Medea Benjamin, and like to dress up. They also spend a lot of time demonstrating in front of Nancy Pelosi's house in SF, since it's nearby and in a nice neighborhood.

They have approximately the political influence of the East Wichita Humane Society, but they do show up at lots of events, are colorful and easy to spot, and were readily made the face of the eeeevil left during the height of the anti-war movement.

They're unpleasant as hell, arrogant, naive, also anti-Semites, but they are often attributed a power well beyond them by people who seem to think they have a voice in the Democratic party.

Lidane Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:24:23pm

re: #33 WindUpBird

hahaha yes, Code Pink, so totally relevant right now, because we're constantly hearing about them every day

Honestly, I think I've seen more mentions of Code Pink around here than I've seen in years at any other site.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:24:56pm

re: #46 reine.de.tout

I so want my blue blouse!
How long does it take to qualify?

I don't look good in bright or light shades of blue, I'm sort of olive-complected. Is there a blouse available in a nice indigo or navy?

A Man for all Seasons Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:25:24pm

re: #54 SanFranciscoZionist

Guys, OT: A friend of a friend has a newborn son facing some bad medical issues. Prayers for Grant, son of Jill and Steven, are greatly appreciated.

Oh my..Best wishes..
Can I put them on the prayer list?

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:25:36pm

re: #52 WindUpBird

They're a liberal anti-war group (anti Iraq war specifically) that hollers a lot and often sneaks into congres to holler some more. They're often derided for their use of zany puppets. And they're often ginned up as a false equivalency thing to Tea Partiers, these days. Because anti war women are exactly the same as insane racists and secessionists :D

Well, also, there's about twenty of them on a REALLY good day.

prairiefire Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:26:45pm

re: #82 SanFranciscoZionist

East Wichita Humane Society! Those poor dears.

harry91 Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:26:50pm

re: #67 WindUpBird

But are they a bad thing? He freely admits the unedited material is there. He admits it's done for impact.

I'm not going to write them off.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:27:10pm

re: #66 Locker

Well... I don't pray but I can do this...

I can see a perfect and complete picture of the little one pulling through and everything being OK.

We'll take it!

Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:27:31pm

re: #86 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, also, there's about twenty of them on a REALLY good day.

That I've noticed. Every time they put on a protest, they tend to get outnumbered by counter-protesters.

cenotaphium Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:27:46pm

Apologies if this has already been noticed, but since I exchanged posts about it a couple of threads back.. (also OT)

Apparently fueled by a shitty site called Crash The Tea Party with the goal of infiltrating the parties and presenting an even shittier image, there's a counter movement to expose the infiltrators, now being a cause du jour over at Pajamas Media, where you can find the following (I won't link directly, 'cause I'm unsure about the policy on that):

Things to do:

* DO get photos or video of any offensive signs or behavior — racist signs, signs connecting O’s administration to Nazis, anti-Semitic signs, signs calling for violence — and send them to tpcrashers@pjtv.com.
* DO inform them calmly and civilly that the signs and behavior are unwelcome.
* DO get pictures including the faces of people holding, the people standing with the offensive signs, and context.
* DO have “Infiltrator” and “Brought to you by…” signs as described in the comments, and stay close to the offensive signs so it’s hard for the legacy media to single them out.
* DO capture video of people shouting offensive words or slogans. Loudly — but calmly and civilly — challenge them for the misbehavior, and get that on video, so it’s clear it was denounced at the time.
* DO assume people with their faces covered, especially with a balaclava or ski mask, is not your friend.
* DO report any harassment or assaults to the police, and capture that report on video as well, if possible. /.../
* DO KEEP YOUR COOL. Keep calm. Be nice. These people are agents provocateurs, and the worst thing you can do to them is not be provoked.

So essentially this is a goldmine for pro-Tea Party fellows who can now document any ugliness themselves and use it as evidence of the Other Side's nastiness. Tails I win, heads you lose.

On the upside, the article also contains this note.

* DO NOT make any concerted attempt to figure out if someone is a “real” Tea Partier or a plant. If they’re being offensive, get their pictures, send them in. No one with a racist sign is a friend of the Tea Party movement, no matter how much they say they are on the Tea Party’s side.

..which ultimately is a bit toothless when, as noted here on LGF, the upper echelons of the movement refuse to make this distinction.

Randall Gross Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:29:03pm

re: #77 prairiefire

Ain't that what this blog is all about?

I don't think so. There's a community here, and most are very concerned about truth. Here everything gets tested, argued, and verified in public. Here the blog proprietor does change his mind if shown facts.

I think that anything can be thrown and stuck to the wall at Wikileaks without much challenge.

Obdicut Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:29:48pm

re: #82 SanFranciscoZionist

I saw LaRouchites at the corner of Divasadero and Geary today. I laughed, and said, "Wow, LaRouchites!" and another guy said, "Yep, still around." And we both laughed.

The LaRouchites stared daggers at us and one of them waggled his Obama-with-Hitler-Mustache at us and said, "Obama is a bad mama and you like his spank."

I didn't really have time to go into it, but he's certainly giving the Tea Party a run for their money in the moronic sayings department.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:30:08pm

re: #83 Lidane

Honestly, I think I've seen more mentions of Code Pink around here than I've seen in years at any other site.

and yet people bristle at the purported overuse of the term "tu quoque." :D

reine.de.tout Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:30:12pm

re: #84 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't look good in bright or light shades of blue, I'm sort of olive-complected. Is there a blouse available in a nice indigo or navy?

I'm olive myself, but I'm afraid these shirts come in just one shade.

"No Coke, Pepsi!"

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:30:38pm

re: #93 Obdicut

I saw LaRouchites at the corner of Divasadero and Geary today. I laughed, and said, "Wow, LaRouchites!" and another guy said, "Yep, still around." And we both laughed.

The LaRouchites stared daggers at us and one of them waggled his Obama-with-Hitler-Mustache at us and said, "Obama is a bad mama and you like his spank."

I didn't really have time to go into it, but he's certainly giving the Tea Party a run for their money in the moronic sayings department.

You like his "spank"? :D

freetoken Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:31:01pm

re: #91 cenotaphium

The "crash the tea party" idea is possibly brilliant. Given the Tea Partiers are already conspiracists at heart, what better way to neutralize them than by having them become exceedingly suspicious of one another?

Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:31:05pm

re: #91 cenotaphium

Apologies if this has already been noticed, but since I exchanged posts about it a couple of threads back.. (also OT)

Apparently fueled by a shitty site called Crash The Tea Party with the goal of infiltrating the parties and presenting an even shittier image, there's a counter movement to expose the infiltrators, now being a cause du jour over at Pajamas Media, where you can find the following (I won't link directly, 'cause I'm unsure about the policy on that):

..which ultimately is a bit toothless when, as noted here on LGF, the upper echelons of the movement refuse to make this distinction.

Well, the good news is that this might actually induce the Tea Party crowd to clean up their house.

Obdicut Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:31:16pm

re: #96 WindUpBird

You like his "spank"? :D

Yep. His spank. Not spankings, but spank.

I dunno.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:32:18pm

re: #86 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, also, there's about twenty of them on a REALLY good day.

hahaha SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING! SOMEBODY CALL SOMEONE!

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Randall Gross Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:32:27pm

re: #82 SanFranciscoZionist

Let's not leave off the fact that they are nationwide, and that there are chapters in most major cities. I know one of the organizers/ leaders in the OP area for instance.
It's not just Cindy and Medea.

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reine.de.tout Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:32:34pm

re: #99 Obdicut

Yep. His spank. Not spankings, but spank.

I dunno.

Nothing in urban dictionary comes up.
It's a mystery

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:32:36pm

re: #99 Obdicut

Yep. His spank. Not spankings, but spank.

I dunno.

A riddle!

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prairiefire Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:32:42pm

re: #92 Thanos

Yes, I meant revealing the agitprops of Wikileaks. Sorry to not be more clear.

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reine.de.tout Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:33:33pm

re: #102 reine.de.tout

Nothing in urban dictionary comes up.
It's a mystery

re: #103 WindUpBird

A riddle!

I beat ya!

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Obdicut Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:33:54pm

re: #86 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, also, there's about twenty of them on a REALLY good day.

And the bike messengers laugh at them when the set up at Powell station or Montgomery, I forget which one it is the bike messengers hang out at.

Number of people in San Francisco who care about Code Pink: Very few.

Number of people in San Francisco who care about Fleet Week: hella.

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Randall Gross Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:34:02pm

re: #104 prairiefire

Yes, I meant revealing the agitprops of Wikileaks. Sorry to not be more clear.

ahh, ok wasn't sure where you were going there. Is that icon of yours from a painter who paints prairie scenes in Lawrence KS? I think I've seen a similar one...

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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:34:25pm

re: #73 LudwigVanQuixote

May you have one of those as a child!

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Obdicut Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:34:26pm

re: #102 reine.de.tout

LaRouchites speak a language all their own.

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reine.de.tout Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:35:11pm

re: #108 Floral Giraffe

May you have one of those as a child!

(oh, would that be too funny!
Alex Keaton comes to LVQ's house)

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Sionainn Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:36:20pm

re: #82 SanFranciscoZionist

I had a similar experience with Soros.

Code Pink is a small, Berkeley-based (well, Albany until they sold the cottage) organization. They're mostly older hippie ladies, of the less nice kind, who protest stuff the United States and Israel do, typical knee-jerk left-wing causes, and do a lot of actions and street theater around their pet 'things'. They are led by Medea Benjamin, and like to dress up. They also spend a lot of time demonstrating in front of Nancy Pelosi's house in SF, since it's nearby and in a nice neighborhood.

They have approximately the political influence of the East Wichita Humane Society, but they do show up at lots of events, are colorful and easy to spot, and were readily made the face of the eeevil left during the height of the anti-war movement.

They're unpleasant as hell, arrogant, naive, also anti-Semites, but they are often attributed a power well beyond them by people who seem to think they have a voice in the Democratic party.

I'm really not familiar with them, either. Are they the group that people on the right pull pictures of to show all the nasty things that were said about Bush in order to justify tea party signs?

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prairiefire Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:36:24pm

re: #107 Thanos

I think I know of those paintings, they were part of a Lawrence restaurant that has now since closed. My avatar was a pix taken off my back deck, shrunk down in the pixel count to fit.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:36:36pm

re: #85 HoosierHoops

Oh my..Best wishes..
Can I put them on the prayer list?

Absolutely, thank you.

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Reginald Perrin Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:36:48pm

re: #98 Dark_Falcon

Well, the good news is that this might actually induce the Tea Party crowd to clean up their house.

Maybe not, they now have the "excuse" that the evil communist Obama supporters are infiltrating the Tea Parties and they are the ones with the racist signs.

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reine.de.tout Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:37:26pm

re: #98 Dark_Falcon

Well, the good news is that this might actually induce the Tea Party crowd to clean up their house.

It would be nice, DF, but honestly - I'm not holding my breath.

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Obdicut Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:38:00pm

re: #114 Reginald Perrin

It's obvious bullshit, though. It could have been true at any time. It is almost certainly going to somehow wind up a massive failure for the Tea Party organizers, because they're good at that sort of thing. Like, the website will be clearly registered to a Tea Party guy or something.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:39:33pm

re: #90 Dark_Falcon

That I've noticed. Every time they put on a protest, they tend to get outnumbered by counter-protesters.

Sort of like the Westboro Baptists, although CP is not quite to that level of horribleness.

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Randall Gross Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:40:08pm

re: #112 prairiefire

I think I know of those paintings, they were part of a Lawrence restaurant that has now since closed. My avatar was a pix taken off my back deck, shrunk down in the pixel count to fit.

ahhh Ok, I've eaten there too :) good place although I can't recall the name...

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:41:06pm

re: #93 Obdicut

I saw LaRouchites at the corner of Divasadero and Geary today. I laughed, and said, "Wow, LaRouchites!" and another guy said, "Yep, still around." And we both laughed.

The LaRouchites stared daggers at us and one of them waggled his Obama-with-Hitler-Mustache at us and said, "Obama is a bad mama and you like his spank."

I didn't really have time to go into it, but he's certainly giving the Tea Party a run for their money in the moronic sayings department.

The LaRouche people are deep in the scary crazy.

Divis and Geary? My dad works down there.

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Obdicut Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:42:24pm

re: #119 SanFranciscoZionist

That's right near where I live. Anza Vista, or Western Addition/Northern Panhandle/Southern Laurel Heights/Kaiserama/Where Sears Used To Be.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:42:57pm

re: #95 reine.de.tout

I'm olive myself, but I'm afraid these shirts come in just one shade.

"No Coke, Pepsi!"

A friend of mine once tried to lend me a hat for RenFaire. Light green. She's a redhead, skin the color of one-percent milk.

I told her it was a bad idea. She said "put in on, it'll look nice with your hair!" I put it on. She said, with interest, 'wow, you turned kind of--bright yellow'.

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Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:43:23pm

re: #115 reine.de.tout

It would be nice, DF, but honestly - I'm not holding my breath.

Me neither. But a fella can hope, even if he knows he'll likely be disappointed.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:43:47pm

re: #100 WindUpBird

hahaha SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING! SOMEBODY CALL SOMEONE!

Actually, if you really want to ruin their day, buy an Ahava product from Alouette's shop.

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Lidane Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:44:33pm

re: #101 Thanos

Let's not leave off the fact that they are nationwide, and that there are chapters in most major cities. I know one of the organizers/ leaders in the OP area for instance.
It's not just Cindy and Medea.

The chapter here in Austin looks like they have less than a dozen people involved at any given time, if their pictures are anything to go by. Given that this is a college town, that's pretty damned sad. I've seen more people show up to tailgate the University of Texas women's soccer games, for fuck's sake.

There might be chapters in cities nationwide, but if they look anything like the one here does, Code Pink is less than relevant.

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Locker Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:46:11pm

Infiltrating as a tea bagger wouldn't be hard for me. I'm registered independent, used to be a Libertarian, own a gun and at least one piece of flannel. Getting a piece of poster board and a sharpie would be the hard part.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:46:15pm

re: #101 Thanos

Let's not leave off the fact that they are nationwide, and that there are chapters in most major cities. I know one of the organizers/ leaders in the OP area for instance.
It's not just Cindy and Medea.

How big are any of their chapters, though?

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cenotaphium Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:46:29pm

re: #116 Obdicut

Like, the website will be clearly registered to a Tea Party guy or something.

Again, via a PJM article:

As you may suspect, crashtheteaparty.org was not created by a Republican or an independent, but instead by someone with a red-tinted sickle to grind. In this instance, the suspect appears to be a conspiratorial 36-year-old from the Pacific Northwest named Jason Levin. He started promoting the site on April 8 on his personal Twitter account, but failed to do an adequate job of covering up his personal information when he registered the domain five days earlier.

The sources for those claims is a blog post (which seems to be a thin summary of a Malkin post) and a twitter feed.

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Reginald Perrin Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:47:45pm

re: #124 Lidane

Code Pink is less than relevant.

Not at LGF between 7am and noon.
///

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:47:47pm

re: #106 Obdicut

And the bike messengers laugh at them when the set up at Powell station or Montgomery, I forget which one it is the bike messengers hang out at.

Number of people in San Francisco who care about Code Pink: Very few.

Number of people in San Francisco who care about Fleet Week: hella.

Code Pink doesn't have fighter jets.

A pink fighter jet would be cool, grant you, but I'd rather it be flown by a crack team of Mary Kay salesladies.

Actually, I'm still pissed off at Code Pink about the sneakers. There was some sweat-free shoe place that made hot pink hightops, but they were a fundraiser for Code Pink, so I couldn't buy them.

Bogus.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:48:15pm

re: #111 Sionainn

I'm really not familiar with them, either. Are they the group that people on the right pull pictures of to show all the nasty things that were said about Bush in order to justify tea party signs?

I'm sure they feature in some of them.

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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:48:23pm

Was Sir Charles Drunk on the halftime show on TNT a minute ago? He was goofy.. Let's face it there is nobody In America that doesn't think it's at least possible that a return to the Studio could catch Barkley with a beer caught on camera between a drink..Frozen..Staring at the Camera...slowly putting down the beer...No blinking .. This is Sir Charles after all. I love him..He can do whatever he wants to do and he does....This may be a scandal.. I'm waiting for the post show..In fact..I'm TIVO'ing it...He may take a shot at Kenny tonight...or be suddenly ill off set..LOL
/Charles it a first responder not the Keno girl!

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Sionainn Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:49:51pm

re: #124 Lidane

The chapter here in Austin looks like they have less than a dozen people involved at any given time, if their pictures are anything to go by. Given that this is a college town, that's pretty damned sad. I've seen more people show up to tailgate the University of Texas women's soccer games, for fuck's sake.

There might be chapters in cities nationwide, but if they look anything like the one here does, Code Pink is less than relevant.

I checked for my city. There is apparently a chapter based out of a podunk town of about 1400 about 40 minutes outside of the city. No events are planned. It wouldn't surprise me if there were only a couple of people who actually belonged to the group.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:49:54pm

re: #120 Obdicut

That's right near where I live. Anza Vista, or Western Addition/Northern Panhandle/Southern Laurel Heights/Kaiserama/Where Sears Used To Be.

I went to Wallenberg High School. I used to end up in detention for sneaking into the Sears after school, which we were not supposed to do.

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Locker Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:50:07pm

re: #131 HoosierHoops

I've always been a fan of Charles. When he played, as a caster, on his golf show etc. However, since his debut as a rapper in the Taco Bell commercials I've had ENOUGH! It was terrible.... seriously.

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prairiefire Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:50:15pm

re: #125 Locker

Please tell them you are a Veteran.

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prairiefire Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:51:48pm

re: #129 SanFranciscoZionist

Code Pink doesn't have fighter jets.

A pink fighter jet would be cool, grant you, but I'd rather it be flown by a crack team of Mary Kay salesladies.

Actually, I'm still pissed off at Code Pink about the sneakers. There was some sweat-free shoe place that made hot pink hightops, but they were a fundraiser for Code Pink, so I couldn't buy them.

Bogus.

Where do you come up with this, SFZ? Honestly, you are a bottomless barrel of Yidish, Irish fun.

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Locker Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:52:10pm

re: #135 prairiefire

Not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing for my cover. Some might like that but some of those anti-war guys might not. It's a razors edge we walk...

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:53:34pm

re: #136 prairiefire

Where do you come up with this, SFZ? Honestly, you are a bottomless barrel of Yidish, Irish fun.

*bows*

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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:54:37pm

re: #62 WindUpBird

I realize that. (Note I'm no fan, they make reasonable liberals look irrational and bonkers) But they're not on the level of the TPers. They're currently a blip.

Code Pink is silly. The Tea Partiers are dangerous.

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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:56:37pm

re: #134 Locker

I've always been a fan of Charles. When he played, as a caster, on his golf show etc. However, since his debut as a rapper in the Taco Bell commercials I've had ENOUGH! It was terrible... seriously.

It has been published in many places that Charles and MJ led Tiger astray..
They sat in VIP areas and bet 15,000 a game at the tables...And had the most beautiful women in the world at their side..You know the old 007 thing..That old chestnut...
Why be Married? Last count was 15 mistresses...Why be married..Nobody said you can't live like James Bond..Why destroy a family going there?

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darthstar Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:58:36pm

re: #14 Locker

Laugh. I'm fine with irony but for the impact to be made I have to understand both sides of the comparison and I don't get how this video (or pravda) is ironic when comparing one to the other. I'm sure it makes sense, I'm just ignorant and looking for information.

So out with it smartass ;)

I wasn't saying you were irony challenged...#1 was.

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gatoratlaw Tue, Apr 13, 2010 6:59:05pm

re: #8 Charles

Colbert really did make him squirm a bit here. Almost thought he dropped his character for a few moments.

I'm convinced he dropped his character there. Colbert seemed to really be affected by his visit with the troops.

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Apr 13, 2010 7:00:38pm

re: #108 Floral Giraffe

May you have one of those as a child!

Is there some reason you curse me so?

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prairiefire Tue, Apr 13, 2010 7:03:07pm

re: #142 gatoratlaw

Mr Colbert loves his daughter and family, his country, and our soldiers. He is quietly waiting for the realizations from others to occur in 20 years, "My God, he said what to George W. Bush?

Youtube Video

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Obdicut Tue, Apr 13, 2010 7:04:15pm

re: #133 SanFranciscoZionist

I went to Wallenberg High School. I used to end up in detention for sneaking into the Sears after school, which we were not supposed to do.

Oh that's so cute. I Raoul Wallenberg, I think, love that name.

I'm going to miss this place.

But why the hell would you sneak into Sears? I would go out of my way as a teenager to avoid Sears?

You're a girl, though. That's probably it.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Apr 13, 2010 7:06:37pm

re: #145 Obdicut

Oh that's so cute. I Raoul Wallenberg, I think, love that name.

I'm going to miss this place.

But why the hell would you sneak into Sears? I would go out of my way as a teenager to avoid Sears?

You're a girl, though. That's probably it.

Well, there was a shortcut, and also, they had a jewelry counter.

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prairiefire Tue, Apr 13, 2010 7:07:11pm

re: #146 SanFranciscoZionist

You Raven, you!

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Apr 13, 2010 7:07:58pm

I have heard that it is Charles's Birthday.

Happy Birthday to you Charles and many many more!

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Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 13, 2010 7:08:23pm

re: #145 Obdicut

Oh that's so cute. I Raoul Wallenberg, I think, love that name.

I'm going to miss this place.

But why the hell would you sneak into Sears? I would go out of my way as a teenager to avoid Sears?

You're a girl, though. That's probably it.

Wallenberg was a true hero. He came to a sad end, but he saved hundreds, and he did simply because it was right. He deserved better than to have died in the gulag.

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Obdicut Tue, Apr 13, 2010 7:13:04pm

re: #149 Dark_Falcon

Yep. But he knew the dangers.

Hungary had some of the weirdest and darkest stuff go down, with Horthy jr and Skorzeny. Just surreal, that episode. Sums up the Nazis well, how low they stooped there.

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Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 13, 2010 7:15:19pm

re: #150 Obdicut

Yep. But he knew the dangers.

Hungary had some of the weirdest and darkest stuff go down, with Horthy jr and Skorzeny. Just surreal, that episode. Sums up the Nazis well, how low they stooped there.

Still, one has to give Skorzeny credit. His capture of Horthy was a true tour-de-force of spec-ops skill. Few could have pulled that off. He fought for a vile cause, but he was one heck of a battle leader.

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Obdicut Tue, Apr 13, 2010 7:17:03pm

re: #151 Dark_Falcon

Sure. He was amazing. And the Spetsnaz were probably the baddest-ass of the special forces, too, or at least right up there. They both still make my skin crawl.

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Dark_Falcon Tue, Apr 13, 2010 7:26:16pm

re: #152 Obdicut

Sure. He was amazing. And the Spetsnaz were probably the baddest-ass of the special forces, too, or at least right up there. They both still make my skin crawl.

The bad guys always do. We don't give them credit to praise them; We do it because honestly acknowledging their strengths is the only way we can beat them.

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ryannon Tue, Apr 13, 2010 7:39:06pm

re: #99 Obdicut

Yep. His spank. Not spankings, but spank.

I dunno.

spunk?

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palomino Tue, Apr 13, 2010 8:05:10pm

re: #27 Ebetty

Colbert, as usual, disarms the guest. Excellent interview, and really good that he got Assange on the record about his intent. Not sure who said it above about Breitbart, but he could learn some lessons about honesty from Assange.

Not a fan of wikileaks but am glad they have a channel for their speech. Unlike Code Pink, they aren't prone to bad craziness. Unlike the ANSWER protesters, they aren't prone to violence. Assange is honest and that goes a long way.

I can only imagine the fun Colbert (or even Stewart) would have with Breitbart. We probably won't see this any time soon--I think Breitbart realizes he's way out of his league with people who are both bright and witty.

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Obdicut Tue, Apr 13, 2010 8:05:39pm

re: #154 ryannon

spunk?

No, thanks.

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Cato the Elder Tue, Apr 13, 2010 8:16:24pm

re: #15 reine.de.tout

I prefer his honesty about it rather than have him trying to wriggle out of it.

The Brietbart tapes were also edited tapes, edited to show events as they did NOT happen, and released solely for political impact.

I don't like either side doing it.

Which "side" is this guy on?

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reine.de.tout Tue, Apr 13, 2010 8:18:22pm

re: #157 Cato the Elder