Oklahoma Will Ban Sharia Law, Which Was Just About to Take Over

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When visiting Oklahoma, you no longer need worry about being subjected to sharia law.

I know this was a serious concern for many people.

Oklahoma is poised to become the first state in the nation to ban state judges from relying on Islamic law known as Sharia when deciding cases.

The ban is a cornerstone of a “Save our State” amendment to the Oklahoma constitution that was recently approved by the Legislature. The amendment — which also would forbid judges from using international laws as a basis for decisions — will now be put before Oklahoma’s voters in November. Approval is expected.

Oklahoma has few Muslims – only 30,000 out of a population of 3.7 million. The prospect of sharia being applied there seems remote.

Ya think?

But a chief architect of the measure, Republican State Rep. Rex Duncan, calls the proposed ban a necessary “preemptive strike” against Islamic law coming to the state.

Thank you, Republican State Rep. Rex Duncan. We really dodged a bullet this time.

When last seen at LGF, Oklahoma Republicans were trying to pass a law that would force women who have abortions to undergo an invasive ultrasound procedure.

So they obviously know a misogynistic, repressive legal system based on religion when they see one.

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731 comments
1 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:37:36pm

OK-LA-HOMA WHERE THE WIND COMES SLEEPING DOWN THE PLANE!

So while apparently while the cowboy and the farmer can be friends, it looks like it might be a while till the Muslim and the Christian can be...

2 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:38:25pm

What are his feelings/opinions on Judeo-Christian, biblical laws? Is he consistent?

3 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:39:19pm

Boy howdy, I'm so thrilled that, having balanced their budget, provided universal health care, and had a bit of money left over to get a man on the Moon, that they could now take the time to answer such a "pressing" concern.

///

My eyes roll back any farther, they'll pop out of my skull.

4 Irenicum  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:39:19pm

For some reason, I have the sneaking suspicion that if someone introduced a law instituting OT laws as binding, he'd be OK with that.

5 Kragarghazi  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:40:07pm

We also need a law banning the use of psychics in the courtroom.

Its a necessary pre-emptive strike against the growing psychic menace.

6 Kragarghazi  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:40:24pm

re: #1 jamesfirecat

OK-LA-HOMA WHERE THE WIND COMES SLEEPING DOWN THE PLANE!

So while apparently while the cowboy and the farmer can be friends, it looks like it might be a while till the Muslim and the Christian can be...

plain.

7 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:40:47pm

Once again, legislatures tackling the tough issues of the day and saving us from the imminent threats.

Way to go.

8 Irenicum  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:41:03pm

re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Watch it man, I'll have the Psycorps on your ass in no time!

9 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:41:10pm

re: #4 Irenicum

That's what I'm wondering. Is he consistent in his views regarding "international laws"?

10 b_snark  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:41:18pm

What is the news about the proposed anti-Dominionist law?

There isn't one? I'm shocked, I tell you, shocked.

11 Stanghazi  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:41:20pm

re: #1 jamesfirecat

OK-LA-HOMA WHERE THE WIND COMES SLEEPING DOWN THE PLANE!

So while apparently while the cowboy and the farmer can be friends, it looks like it might be a while till the Muslim and the Christian can be...

re: #6 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

plain.

Sweeping.

12 Kragarghazi  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:41:51pm

re: #8 Irenicum

Watch it man, I'll have the Psycorps on your ass in no time!

I'm a null, scares the shit out of them.

13 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:42:00pm

re: #6 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

plain.

The rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain.... I got it...

14 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:42:34pm
There are many interpretations of what Sharia means , but in some countries strict interpretations "are used to justify cruel punishments such an amputation and stoning as well as unequal treatment of women in inheritance, dress and independence," according to the Council on Foreign Relations.

Oklahoma has its own brand of that. Wouldn't want to clash the cultures.

15 avanti  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:43:01pm

A recent Supreme Court decision was influenced by international law.


The overwhelming weight of international opinion against the juvenile death penalty is not controlling here, but provides respected and significant confirmation for the Court's determination that the penalty is disproportionate punishment for offenders under 18. See, e.g., Thompson, supra, at 830-831, and n. 31. The United States is the only country in the world that continues to give official sanction to the juvenile penalty. It does not lessen fidelity to the Constitution or pride in its origins to acknowledge that the express affirmation of certain fundamental rights by other nations and peoples underscores the centrality of those same rights within our own heritage of freedom. Pp. 21-25.

16 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:43:12pm

re: #12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm a null, scares the shit out of them.

Only if they're not "thinking" clearly. Couldn't they just use their minds to rip a good sized chunk of concrete out of the wall/ground and hurl it at you?

17 Irenicum  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:43:17pm

re: #9 Slumbering Behemoth

Basically what they're legislating is institutionalized bigotry. Hmm, reminds me of a certain bygone era.

18 Kragarghazi  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:43:46pm

re: #16 jamesfirecat

Only if they're not "thinking" clearly. Couldn't they just use their minds to rip a good sized chunk of concrete out of the wall/ground and hurl it at you?

Nope, I blank out their powers.

19 windsagio  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:44:15pm

re: #15 avanti

Somewhat OT, but its something I feel strongly about.

A pox on the person who thought up 'the juvenile will be tried as an adult'.

20 the yankee  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:44:23pm

Do these people realized they are being pandered to and do they care?

21 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:44:43pm

Now I feel much better about Californians vehicle code that bans cracked windshields. Even the shortest, smallest visible crack is against the law. Thank goodness for those forward thinking public safety advocates who saved all those lives //.

Possession of crack!

Heh. Oklahoma has California beat for foolish unnecessary law.

22 Irenicum  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:45:22pm

re: #16 jamesfirecat

That's telekinesis silly! A very different power. But still cool as hell.

23 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:45:29pm

re: #18 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Nope, I blank out their powers.

Oh, well in theory they could also use their other super secret psychic power. It can't be blanked out and anyone can use it to make a persons head explode by focusing their mental energies through a special device... I call it... a gun!

24 b_snark  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:45:39pm

re: #21 Rightwingconspirator

Now I feel much better about Californians vehicle code that bans cracked windshields. Even the shortest, smallest visible crack is against the law. Thank goodness for those forward thinking public safety advocates who saved all those lives //.

Possession of crack!

Heh. Oklahoma has California beat for foolish unnecessary law.

Do they fine you by the inch?

25 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:45:53pm

When last seen at LGF, Oklahoma Republicans were trying to pass a law that would force women who have abortions to undergo an invasive ultrasound procedure: Oklahoma Gov. Vetoes GOP Anti-Choice Bill Requiring Unnecessary Invasive Procedure.

So they obviously know a misogynistic, repressive legal system when they see one.

26 brookly red  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:47:08pm

from small things mama big things someday come.

27 b_snark  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:47:22pm

re: #25 Charles

When last seen at LGF, Oklahoma Republicans were trying to pass a law that would force women who have abortions to undergo an invasive ultrasound procedure: Oklahoma Gov. Vetoes GOP Anti-Choice Bill Requiring Unnecessary Invasive Procedure.

So they obviously know a misogynistic, repressive legal system when they see one.

Do they know the meaning of misogyny?

28 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:48:00pm

re: #17 Irenicum

I don't know if I would go that far, but this piece of legislation is a useless gesture.

Our legal system already makes application of Sharia Law illegal.

29 CapeCoddah  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:48:23pm

re: #21 Rightwingconspirator

Now I feel much better about Californians vehicle code that bans cracked windshields. Even the shortest, smallest visible crack is against the law. Thank goodness for those forward thinking public safety advocates who saved all those lives //.

Possession of crack!

Heh. Oklahoma has California beat for foolish unnecessary law.

LOL, And Massachusetts beats California.
Stupid Massachusetts laws:
At a wake, mourners may eat no more than three sandwiches.
Snoring is prohibited unless all bedroom windows are closed and securely locked.
An old ordinance declares goatees illegal unless you first pay a special license fee for the privilege of wearing one in public.
Taxi drivers are prohibited from making love in the front seat of their taxi during their shifts.
All men must carry a rifle to church on Sunday.
Hunting on Sundays is prohibited.
It is illegal to go to bed without first having a full bath.
A woman can not be on top in sexual activities.

30 albusteve  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:48:23pm

re: #7 lawhawk

Once again, legislatures tackling the tough issues of the day and saving us from the imminent threats.

Way to go.

yeah...I've given up
mockery from now on

31 The Yankee  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:48:58pm

I bet you, you can still get Freedom Fries in that state!

32 Irenicum  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:49:00pm

re: #27 b_sharp

Too many dang syllables!

33 Gus  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:49:11pm

OK, here's my re-write of the law:

C. The Courts provided for in subsection A of this section, when exercising their judicial authority, shall uphold and adhere to the law as provided in the United States Constitution, the Oklahoma Constitution, the United States Code, federal regulations promulgated pursuant thereto, established common law, the Oklahoma Statutes and rules promulgated pursuant thereto, and if necessary the law of another state of the United States provided the law of the other state does not include Sharia Law religious law, in making judicial decisions. The courts shall not look to the legal precepts of other nations or cultures. Specifically, the courts shall not consider international law or Sharia Law religious law. The provisions of this subsection shall apply to all cases before the respective courts including, but not limited to, cases of first impression.

They should write one like this for education and especially for science education.

34 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:49:34pm

re: #25 Charles

Ooh, nice burn.

35 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:49:40pm

re: #29 CapeCoddah

LOL, And Massachusetts beats California.
Stupid Massachusetts laws:
At a wake, mourners may eat no more than three sandwiches.
Snoring is prohibited unless all bedroom windows are closed and securely locked.
An old ordinance declares goatees illegal unless you first pay a special license fee for the privilege of wearing one in public.
Taxi drivers are prohibited from making love in the front seat of their taxi during their shifts.
All men must carry a rifle to church on Sunday.
Hunting on Sundays is prohibited.
It is illegal to go to bed without first having a full bath.
A woman can not be on top in sexual activities.

Can I be the guy in charge of monitoring that no one breaks that last law?

36 albusteve  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:49:52pm

I say we toss OK out of the union....Gazahoma

37 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:50:02pm

re: #8 Irenicum

Watch it man, I'll have the Psycorps on your ass in no time!

Mr. Bester, is that you?

38 darthstar  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:50:21pm

Who knew so many okies were muslim that they needed a pre-emptive law to stop them from taking over?

39 austin_blue  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:50:35pm

Texas will be next.

We're saved!

40 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:50:38pm

re: #36 albusteve

No. Not. One. Inch.

41 albusteve  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:50:59pm

re: #38 darthstar

Who knew so many okies were muslim that they needed a pre-emptive law to stop them from taking over?

they may be way ahead of the curve...who knows

42 windsagio  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:51:34pm

re: #38 darthstar

Funny thing is, if there were enough of them to be a threat (whatever that actually means), there's no way the law could have been passed :D

43 Irenicum  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:51:51pm

re: #37 Dark_Falcon

I thought you'd already know that? ;)

44 Gus  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:52:02pm

re: #25 Charles

When last seen at LGF, Oklahoma Republicans were trying to pass a law that would force women who have abortions to undergo an invasive ultrasound procedure: Oklahoma Gov. Vetoes GOP Anti-Choice Bill Requiring Unnecessary Invasive Procedure.

So they obviously know a misogynistic, repressive legal system when they see one.

Both vetoes were overridden by the Oklahoma legislature.

45 jea62  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:52:49pm

Whew! Thank God. I mean OUR God, not that Allah guy.

46 Irenicum  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:53:24pm

re: #29 CapeCoddah

I agree with the anti goatee law. They're annoying as shit.

47 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:53:25pm

re: #44 Gus 802

What?!? So sad.

48 brookly red  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:53:29pm

I say good. This sets precedent in any upcoming cases. OK is OK.

49 albusteve  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:53:56pm

re: #44 Gus 802

Both vetoes were overridden by the Oklahoma legislature.

somehow I think they knew that...get ready for round 2

50 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:54:10pm

re: #46 Irenicum

I agree with the anti goatee law. They're annoying as shit.

And no dreadlocks for white people unless they are currently in a Reggae band.

51 CapeCoddah  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:54:26pm

re: #46 Irenicum

I wonder why you have to carry a rifle to church on Sundays, but you can't shoot dinner on the way home!

52 Gus  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:55:04pm

re: #47 Slumbering Behemoth

What?!? So sad.

Here's one story...

[Link: oudaily.com...]

The ultrasound legislation is "on hold" due to legal challenges.

53 Irenicum  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:55:07pm

Teh Mooslims, theys be coming for our womenses and chitlins'!!! Kwik, outlaw dem!

54 brookly red  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:55:35pm

re: #51 CapeCoddah

I wonder why you have to carry a rifle to church on Sundays, but you can't shoot dinner on the way home!

you please no shoota my pizza...

55 Spricio  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:55:43pm

re: #53 Irenicum

hahah thats awesome

56 cronus  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:56:17pm

re: #25 Charles

When last seen at LGF, Oklahoma Republicans were trying to pass a law that would force women who have abortions to undergo an invasive ultrasound procedure: Oklahoma Gov. Vetoes GOP Anti-Choice Bill Requiring Unnecessary Invasive Procedure.

So they obviously know a misogynistic, repressive legal system when they see one.

So basically Oklahoma is only banning the word Sharia...

57 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:56:37pm

One of the funniest posts in recent memory. lol

58 Gus  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:56:50pm

re: #56 cronus

So basically Oklahoma is only banning the word Sharia...

That's a good one.

59 albusteve  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:57:05pm

the socons are swarming the courts...do any of these self righteous morons realize the geopolitical threats out there, or the dismal state of the economy?...no, they have to pick on gays, and Sharia, and abortion rights....fuckers are gonna be cinders when no one is watching

60 Irenicum  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:57:10pm

re: #56 cronus

Exactly. Well put.

61 b_snark  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:57:17pm

re: #45 jea62

Nice thing about my non-religion. I never have to worry about which non-god I'm not talking about.

62 CapeCoddah  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:58:23pm

re: #54 brookly red

LOL, and these 3 are STILL on the books...

It's illegal to keep a mule on the second floor of a building not in a city unless there are 2 exits. (MGL Chapter 272 section 86)

It's illegal to sell fewer than 24 ducklings at a time before May 1, or to sell rabbits, chicks, or ducklings that have been painted a different color. (MGL Chapter 272 Section 80D)

It's illegal to allow someone to use stilts while working on the construction of a building. (MGL Chapter 149 Section 129B)

63 b_snark  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:58:53pm

re: #51 CapeCoddah

I wonder why you have to carry a rifle to church on Sundays, but you can't shoot dinner on the way home!

They have to take them to Church so people can see they ain't doin' no huntin'.

64 b_snark  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 5:59:49pm

re: #59 albusteve

the socons are swarming the courts...do any of these self righteous morons realize the geopolitical threats out there, or the dismal state of the economy?...no, they have to pick on gays, and Sharia, and abortion rights...fuckers are gonna be cinders when no one is watching

Can I watch?

65 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:00:29pm

re: #43 Irenicum

I thought you'd already know that? ;)

Sorry, I'm just a cruiser skipper. I only know about him from providing escort to a carrier carrying Black Omega Squadron.

/serious B5 geekage

66 Gus  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:00:44pm

By the way. We already have a law covering this, more or less:

Supremacy Clause

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

67 albusteve  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:01:59pm

I judge Americans by the ratings of their favorite TV shows...we as a society have dumbed down to absolute zero...drooling mobs so stupid you cannot even trust them with a butterknife...we have become pathetic

68 brookly red  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:02:05pm

re: #62 CapeCoddah

LOL, and these 3 are STILL on the books...

It's illegal to keep a mule on the second floor of a building not in a city unless there are 2 exits. (MGL Chapter 272 section 86)

It's illegal to sell fewer than 24 ducklings at a time before May 1, or to sell rabbits, chicks, or ducklings that have been painted a different color. (MGL Chapter 272 Section 80D)

It's illegal to allow someone to use stilts while working on the construction of a building. (MGL Chapter 149 Section 129B)

some how I do not feel any of those laws a threat to my freedom...although stilts are useful in some cases I suspect it is a union thing.

69 albusteve  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:03:17pm

re: #64 b_sharp

Can I watch?

you can be part of it...you should in fact, make history!

70 Irenicum  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:04:09pm

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

I have the DVD set of the movies, but not the series yet. Michael Strazcinski is amazing!

71 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:04:17pm

re: #67 albusteve

I judge Americans by the ratings of their favorite TV shows...we as a society have dumbed down to absolute zero...drooling mobs so stupid you cannot even trust them with a butterknife...we have become pathetic

Arrested Development, Firefly, Sarah Connor Chronicles, Better Off Ted= RAGE!

72 Irenicum  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:05:54pm

re: #71 jamesfirecat

Why is it the best shows never succeed anymore. Grrr argh!

73 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:07:00pm

re: #72 Irenicum

Why is it the best shows never succeed anymore. Grrr argh!

If it weren't for Burn Notice and Leverage I would have no faith left in Americas ability to figure out if a show is good or bad anymore....

74 Racer X  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:07:18pm

Your tax dollars at work.

America is screwed.

75 b_snark  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:07:25pm

re: #72 Irenicum

Why is it the best shows never succeed anymore. Grrr argh!

Little to no drool factor.

76 albusteve  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:08:41pm

Americans are way overstimulated with phony entertainment, and news that is so corrupted, dumbed down, and worse, become an variety act where the truth doesn't matter in the least...what a clusterfuck, who knows what they will do next, but a lot of it will flesh out this fall and next year.....personally, as usual, I have no confidence in the feds

77 windsagio  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:08:45pm

re: #71 jamesfirecat

I really like the Boondocks, there's a really funny sequence from yesterdays new episode I hope makes youtube soon.

78 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:08:53pm

Sarcasm aside, this question will arise sooner or later when the first Muslim lawsuit to enforce some aspect of Sharia encroaches into our civil procedure and is not summarily tossed , and that is not such a stretch.
Not such an awful idea for some forethought, as long as it's constitutional, and doesn't get ridiculous or oppressive.
But then that would be Sharia.

79 firstinla  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:08:59pm

re: #1 jamesfirecat

OK-LA-HOMA WHERE THE WIND COMES SLEEPING DOWN THE PLANE!

So while apparently while the cowboy and the farmer can be friends, it looks like it might be a while till the Muslim and the Christian can be...

Is this the Oklahoma "where the wind comes sweeping down the plain"?

80 Irenicum  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:09:15pm

re: #73 jamesfirecat

There are occasional golden nuggets in the vast wasteland known as American TV. Better Off Ted was definitely one of them. I have season 1 on DVD. Very sharp comedy.

81 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:09:49pm

I don't have a problem with preempting Sharia law. It sends a message and I think that is what it's meant to do. No harm no foul.

82 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:09:56pm

re: #29 CapeCoddah

And if those aren't sufficient, there's more where they come from.

Lots more.

83 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:10:08pm

re: #79 firstinla
Who volunteers to publish the first edition of the Firecat Translator?/

84 Batmanghazi  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:10:25pm

I wonder how these people think the process of conversion to sharia law happens. Like do they fear they're going to wake up one morning and find out that sharia law snuck into their bedrooms at night and mindfucked them? This, as you know, would make them sharia law's unholy servants, so they would have no choice but to vote in a bunch of fundamentalist muslims to the state legislature. Don't these people realize the implications of this? Their new overlords could easily repeal this new law! And then nothing could stop them!

85 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:10:30pm

re: #80 Irenicum

There are occasional golden nuggets in the vast wasteland known as American TV. Better Off Ted was definitely one of them. I have season 1 on DVD. Very sharp comedy.

They can't force employees to be experimented on... they lost that case...

86 windsagio  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:11:18pm

re: #77 windsagio

Found it:


Skip to 7:58 :D (as a sidenote, anyone know how to link to a specific time in a youtube vid?)

87 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:11:51pm

re: #52 Gus 802

Gah. The stupid, it burns! Hopefully Gov. Henry will have the stamina to keep fighting this nonsense. I wish him luck.

88 Gus  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:12:06pm

re: #81 Boogberg

I don't have a problem with preempting Sharia law. It sends a message and I think that is what it's meant to do. No harm no foul.

Judges do not make law. This law does not apply to the Oklahoma legislature.

89 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:12:40pm

re: #81 Boogberg

I don't have a problem with preempting Sharia law. It sends a message and I think that is what it's meant to do. No harm no foul.

Yeah and the message is "Oklahoma legislators are cravenly pandering to bigots." Go Oklahoma!

If you want your state legislature to pander to bigots and morons, hey great. I'd rather they get work done.

90 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:12:45pm

re: #84 nonsense
More likely they think that there's a possibility that someone may suggest that they can't be held to the terms of a contract, because...... interest is sooo not Sharia. Or that the domestic violence laws are unconstitutional under..... Sharia. After all, they are permitted one good whack./

91 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:13:44pm

This law is only a few years old, upheld by Alabama SC last year:

No sex toys for 'Bama

[Link: www.al.com...]

92 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:13:57pm

re: #84 nonsense

Uneducated and bigoted people being pandered to by Republican legislators. That's how it works.

93 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:14:12pm

re: #88 Gus 802

Judges do not make law


Some of them are pretty sure they can change all that. The Ninth Circuit is a prime example.....

94 b_snark  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:14:48pm

It's occasionally necessary to have bad laws brought out into the light of day. It makes it easier to recognize the good laws and makes the mediocre laws feel less self conscious.

95 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:15:05pm

re: #81 Boogberg

I don't have a problem with preempting Sharia law. It sends a message and I think that is what it's meant to do. No harm no foul.

I'd rather just have a more general separation of church and state law. It would seem a better idea.

96 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:15:16pm

re: #34 Slumbering Behemoth

Ooh, nice burn.

Of course, I should have had this at the ready.

97 albusteve  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:15:39pm

re: #93 tradewind

Some of them are pretty sure they can change all that. The Ninth Circuit is a prime example...

judges do what they want for the most part...federal judges rule

98 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:16:03pm

re: #72 Irenicum
I've started taking it personally. If I like it, it's a reasonably intelligent drama, and is entertaining enough to cause me to be interested in the plot, it's doomed. Make way for ' Extreme Poodles '.

99 brookly red  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:16:14pm

re: #84 nonsense

I wonder how these people think the process of conversion to sharia law happens. Like do they fear they're going to wake up one morning and find out that sharia law snuck into their bedrooms at night and mindfucked them? This, as you know, would make them sharia law's unholy servants, so they would have no choice but to vote in a bunch of fundamentalist muslims to the state legislature. Don't these people realize the implications of this? Their new overlords could easily repeal this new law! And then nothing could stop them!

first it happens by not admitting it is happening. OK was in no danger but this is still a good thing. Well I think it is & I am sure others will not but I have no intention of debating this. I have a zero tolerance for sharia, and that is that so forgive me now if I don't respond to appeasers. :)

100 Irenicum  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:16:38pm

I'm no fan of sharia law myself, it is deeply misogynistic. But when the Okies decide to pass a law forbidding it when there's no chance in hell it would be implemented, the motivation needs to be addressed. And add to that that OK has more than its fair share of Christian sharia Dominionists, that kinda jumps out to me as showing that what they're saying with this law is: We don't want "you people" corrupting our Christian culture. That's what makes this change in their constitution so disturbing. I'm a Christian, but I thank God for secular government and the separation of church and state. I seriously wish modern Christians would learn from the Danbury Baptists and realize that keeping the church and state separate is good for both.

101 Racer X  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:16:57pm

re: #95 Dark_Falcon

I'd rather just have a more general separation of church and state law. It would seem a better idea.

But, but, what about our church?

102 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:18:46pm

re: #73 jamesfirecat
RIP:
Life, Life On Mars, Journeyman, New Amsterdam, Pushing Daisies, The Unusuals, etc, etc, ad nauseum, ad infinitum.

103 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:19:31pm

re: #95 Dark_Falcon

I'd rather just have a more general separation of church and state law. It would seem a better idea.

It is a great idea.

104 Racer X  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:19:33pm

I don't care about OK. Never been, don't plan on going.

I'm in the mood to bash on the prez. Has he done anything dumber lately?

105 Gus  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:20:21pm

Judges have in the past made sentencing decisions based on the religiosity of the defendant. So what happens when a judge hears two separate pleas pleading for mercy based on this between two different defendants:

a) Defendant one pleads that he is still a moral man and attends a Christian church and follows Scripture to the letter and is an outstanding member of his congregation and,

b) Defendant one pleads that he is still a moral man and attends a Mosque and follows Sharia law to the letter and is an outstanding member of his Islamic center.

Other examples could be "spiritual healing" defense or many times when we see Christian Scientists garner more sympathy from the courts.

106 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:20:41pm

re: #104 Racer X

I don't care about OK. Never been, don't plan on going.

I'm in the mood to bash on the prez. Has he done anything dumber lately?

Do you think its a gafe for him to say that the BP spill might make us rethink our energy policy the way that the 9/11 made us rethink national security?

107 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:20:44pm

re: #104 Racer X

I don't care about OK. Never been, don't plan on going.

I'm in the mood to bash on the prez. Has he done anything dumber lately?

We could live-blog the BP speech tomorrow night.

108 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:22:20pm

re: #104 Racer X
If you're not just snarking, yeah. He said ' whose ass do I kick ' on national television. Shades of John Kerry's gittin ' him a huntin' license.
Not only was it out of character, it was silly, because everyone else knew whose ass to kick, by the end of the first news day.

109 Irenicum  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:22:21pm

re: #107 Decatur Deb

I'm sure Charles already has that planned. And then the game six live-blog!

110 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:22:25pm

re: #91 Decatur Deb

yeah, I read stuff like that, and I start to believe that the west coast is a completely different planet, in a different solar system.

111 brookly red  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:22:49pm

re: #104 Racer X

I don't care about OK. Never been, don't plan on going.

I'm in the mood to bash on the prez. Has he done anything dumber lately?

not yet but we still have Iran & NK to deal with... be patient

112 Racer X  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:22:49pm

re: #106 jamesfirecat

Do you think its a gafe for him to say that the BP spill might make us rethink our energy policy the way that the 9/11 made us rethink national security?

No.

113 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:22:55pm

re: #95 Dark_Falcon

I'd rather just have a more general separation of church and state law. It would seem a better idea.

Good luck with that. Fact is, non-believers don't get elected. Go ahead. Try it. :D

114 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:23:16pm

re: #104 Racer X

I don't care about OK. Never been, don't plan on going.

I'm in the mood to bash on the prez. Has he done anything dumber lately?

Well, there is this little verbal gaffe in a recent speech that some are talking about.

115 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:23:18pm

re: #106 jamesfirecat
Yeah, BP spill just like 9-11. Only without the three thousand casualties, the paralyzing of the nation's transportation system, and the start of a ten year war./

116 b_snark  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:23:28pm

re: #102 tradewind

RIP:
Life, Life On Mars, Journeyman, New Amsterdam, Pushing Daisies, The Unusuals, etc, etc, ad nauseum, ad infinitum.

Hey, we all suffer at the hands of the majority. If the majority wants mindless drivel, that's what we'll have to watch. Even the Constitution can't help us. (I'm saying this because 99.999% of shows shown in Canada are Made in the USA)

Luckily, a good series sneaks in once in a while.

117 Racer X  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:23:36pm

re: #108 tradewind

If you're not just snarking, yeah. He said ' whose ass do I kick ' on national television. Shades of John Kerry's gittin ' him a huntin' license.
Not only was it out of character, it was silly, because everyone else knew whose ass to kick, by the end of the first news day.

Haha!

Too funny.

118 brookly red  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:24:30pm

re: #115 tradewind

Yeah, BP spill just like 9-11. Only without the three thousand casualties, the paralyzing of the nation's transportation system, and the start of a ten year war./

but I hear BP folks are now on the no fly list...

119 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:24:57pm

re: #103 Slumbering Behemoth

It is a great idea.

I know, I was just saying it would be better to clarify OK state law within that framework rather than this problematic law. The effect would be the same but that sort of law would be far less likely to be struck down.

120 windsagio  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:25:24pm

re: #110 WindUpBird

Hell, the US is a whole solar system in of itself.

The planets are (in no particular order)

New England, the Urban east, the Plains, the Old south, the Desert Southwest, and the West coast.

121 b_snark  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:25:33pm

re: #108 tradewind

If you're not just snarking, yeah. He said ' whose ass do I kick ' on national television. Shades of John Kerry's gittin ' him a huntin' license.
Not only was it out of character, it was silly, because everyone else knew whose ass to kick, by the end of the first news day.

It was directed at BP as a veiled threat.

122 Digital Display  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:25:35pm

Back from the Storm..Not to bad here...
Dear Lord Charles.. You know I'm transferring to OK this Summer...
I am so your reporter on the ground...This should be interesting..

123 Racer X  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:25:39pm

re: #114 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh.

Hey did you fix your car yet?

I found this that has exactly the same symptoms and a fix.

124 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:25:54pm

re: #99 brookly red

first it happens by not admitting it is happening. OK was in no danger but this is still a good thing. Well I think it is & I am sure others will not but I have no intention of debating this. I have a zero tolerance for sharia, and that is that so forgive me now if I don't respond to appeasers. :)

It is not a good thing at all, it's crypto-bigotry, foisted on stupid people, stoking their fears. Nobody cares if you have "zero tolerance" for sharia, the only reason to pass such a law is to marginalize and attack a faith and inflame white American tribalism.

You have no intention of debating this because you would lose. You know it, we all know it.

125 Irenicum  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:25:59pm

re: #122 HoosierHoops

My sympathies.

126 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:26:26pm

re: #116 b_sharp
Yeah, but....
I really do like television dramas. Just not stupid ones.
And I really, really hate ' reality tv'.
It's an oxymoron, like jumbo shrimp.
If I wanted reality, I wouldn't be vegged out in front of the idiot box./

127 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:26:31pm

re: #119 Dark_Falcon

Gus had a great post on that here.

128 KingKenrod  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:26:49pm

Besides being unnecessary, the Sharia Ban amendment is unconstitutional because it targets a specific religion. It won't last two seconds in a Federal court.

129 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:26:51pm

re: #110 WindUpBird

yeah, I read stuff like that, and I start to believe that the west coast is a completely different planet, in a different solar system.

I see great opportunity for a smuggling route--fireworks out, dildos southbound.

130 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:27:02pm

re: #115 tradewind

Yeah, BP spill just like 9-11. Only without the three thousand casualties, the paralyzing of the nation's transportation system, and the start of a ten year war./

Dude, did you just miss the point of his line?

9/11 made us rethink national security, yes?

And maybe this BP disaster will make us rethink how we feel about oil/gas/drilling for oil.

That said let me also say something.... while the BP oil spill may not have the mass casualties of 9/11 (which I wish could have been prevented and consider a horrible disaster) I can't help but wonder how many American LIVELYHOODS will be eliminated by the BP spill what with the destruction of a lot of chances to fish in the gulf....

131 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:27:11pm

re: #113 Boogberg

Good luck with that. Fact is, non-believers don't get elected. Go ahead. Try it. :D

Well, I am a believer. I just think that this law is of dubious value.

132 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:27:53pm

re: #120 windsagio
Yeah, the South is Venus, the West is Mars, and parts of New England are Uranus..../

133 sandbox  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:28:03pm

A better approach, IMO, is to deny entry to the US, and deport any non-citizen already here, who seeks to impose or institute sharia law among the host country's Muslim population. This would be an acknowledgement that radical islam is at war with us.

134 Irenicum  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:28:19pm

re: #129 Decatur Deb

Why would they need dildos down there? They've already got enough dicks running the place.

135 Digital Display  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:28:23pm

re: #125 Irenicum

My sympathies.

LOL
Building a network across the street from OU then moving to Singapore for 3 years..Don't cry for me Argentina...
*wink*

136 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:28:29pm

re: #123 Racer X

Good one. Nope, no working car yet. It's freaking hot out, so I am taking a break. But I have a fine list of things to test when I get back to it.

137 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:28:29pm

re: #120 windsagio

Hell, the US is a whole solar system in of itself.

The planets are (in no particular order)

New England, the Urban east, the Plains, the Old south, the Desert Southwest, and the West coast.

We do rock. What can we say? :D

138 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:29:12pm

re: #95 Dark_Falcon

I'd rather just have a more general separation of church and state law. It would seem a better idea.

Sharia law move quashed in Canada

Mr McGuinty said he would introduce "as soon as possible" a law banning all religious arbitration in the province.

Ontario has allowed Catholic and Jewish faith-based tribunals to resolve family disputes on a voluntary basis since 1991.

Mr McGuinty, who had been studying Ms Boyd's report since last December, said he was concerned religious family courts could "threaten our common ground".

He told the Canadian Press news agency: "There will be no Sharia law in Ontario. There will be no religious arbitration in Ontario. There will be one law for all Ontarians."

...which is exactly how it should be in a secular democracy. Though it complicates matters considerably for the "America is a Christian nation" crowd...

139 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:29:22pm

re: #134 Irenicum

Why would they need dildos down there? They've already got enough dicks running the place.

Something to cling to when the guns get too heavy.

140 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:29:41pm

re: #130 jamesfirecat
A hell of a lot more American livelihoods, as you put it, will be affected by the ridiculous ' no drilling ' policy, which will shut down thousands upon thousands of jobs in the gulf coast states.
And sorry..... I hate this oil spill as much as anyone, it is a tragedy, but Americans' attention spans will toss it more quickly than you imagine.
It bears no resemblance to September 11.

141 windsagio  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:29:48pm

re: #132 tradewind

Old old old old old.

142 Irenicum  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:29:49pm

re: #135 HoosierHoops

OK, that's cool. Singapore sounds amazing. I officially change my salutation to congratulations!

143 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:29:50pm

re: #133 sandbox

That's your last comment at LGF.

144 b_snark  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:29:54pm

re: #126 tradewind

Yeah, but...
I really do like television dramas. Just not stupid ones.
And I really, really hate ' reality tv'.
It's an oxymoron, like jumbo shrimp.
If I wanted reality, I wouldn't be vegged out in front of the idiot box./

I do too. If it doesn't make me try to figure out where the plot is heading I find it boring.

145 brookly red  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:30:07pm

re: #121 b_sharp

It was directed at BP as a veiled threat.

yes and 20,000 plus American workers are pretty scared right about now...but don't worry I am sure BO can do for the energy sector what he has done for the financial sector.

146 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:30:11pm

re: #128 KingKenrod

Besides being unnecessary, the Sharia Ban amendment is unconstitutional because it targets a specific religion. It won't last two seconds in a Federal court.

^This! Exactly right.

147 Gus  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:30:16pm

Many times certain religious practices are also exempt from normal law. This could include wood burning with American Indians; others might include different rituals such as the smoking of marijuana. Religious exemptions are very common. What happens if a case goes before a judge involving a religious exemption based on a particular practice of Sharia?

Family A, practices Sharia and decides not to vaccinate their child who is going to a private school. The private school expels the child due to this action. Family A decides to take the private school to court in Oklahoma and plead a religious exemption and allow for the child to return to said private school.

Family B, practices Christianity and decides not to vaccinate their child who is going to a private school. The private school expels the child due to this action. Family A decides to take the private school to court in Oklahoma and plead a religious exemption and allow for the child to return to said private school.

Obviously I'm not endorsing non-vaccination of children but this could present something akin to unequal access of the law.

148 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:30:58pm

re: #141 windsagio
Yeah, but sometimes you just have to let down.

149 Gus  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:31:19pm

re: #128 KingKenrod

Besides being unnecessary, the Sharia Ban amendment is unconstitutional because it targets a specific religion. It won't last two seconds in a Federal court.

Exactly.

150 b_snark  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:31:29pm

re: #132 tradewind

Yeah, the South is Venus, the West is Mars, and parts of New England are Uranus.../

Prep H to the rescue.

151 EB71  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:32:49pm

re: #106 jamesfirecat

I do not think that the reference to echoing 9/11 was problematic as rhetoric. However, the President suggested that the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico echoed 9/11 and then stated that the seafood from the Gulf of Mexico is safe to eat. Without meaning to, the President may have inadvertently echoed the EPA's advisories shortly post-9/11 that the air around Ground Zero was safe to breathe - which turned out to be wrong at the time.

152 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:32:56pm

re: #143 Charles

Yikes! Good catch.

153 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:33:10pm

re: #106 jamesfirecat

Do you think its a gafe for him to say that the BP spill might make us rethink our energy policy the way that the 9/11 made us rethink national security?

Nope.
The first gaffe in my mind happened when Salazar changed the report after the engineering experts had signed off on it, making it appear they had recommended the 6-month moratorium that the President declared, when they did no such thing.

The second gaffe is that the President hasn't yet lifted the moratorium he called based on a report by experts, when those experts have made it clear now that they never recommended such drastic action.

As the investigation proceeds, it becomes more and more apparent that BP for days, made bad decision after bad decision, in order to try to save money; those decisions led directly to the blowout. BP should be blamed; BP should be penalized; but there is no reason to penalize the other companies nor thousands of workers in Ala, Miss, La. and Texas.

154 albusteve  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:35:01pm

re: #153 reine.de.tout

Nope.
The first gaffe in my mind happened when Salazar changed the report after the engineering experts had signed off on it, making it appear they had recommended the 6-month moratorium that the President declared, when they did no such thing.

The second gaffe is that the President hasn't yet lifted the moratorium he called based on a report by experts, when those experts have made it clear now that they never recommended such drastic action.

As the investigation proceeds, it becomes more and more apparent that BP for days, made bad decision after bad decision, in order to try to save money; those decisions led directly to the blowout. BP should be blamed; BP should be penalized; but there is no reason to penalize the other companies nor thousands of workers in Ala, Miss, La. and Texas.

a perfect post, very rare by my standard

155 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:35:11pm

re: #153 reine.de.tout

Great page BTW. We should all check that one out.

156 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:35:17pm

re: #102 tradewind

We got rid of our TV a year ago last month. No regrets. I really can't remember the last time I cared about a TV show and on the exceedingly rare occasion there is something worth spending the time on, well, there's Netfilx. The last new flick I watched that way was the newest Star Trek.

Humorously enought, I had a door to door sales critter from Charter at the door tonight. He started his spiel and I say we're not interested. "Don't you want to save money?" "We don't have TV - no cable, no satellite, no broadcast. We save LOTS of money." He looks at me like I'm crazy, stupid & contagious and backs away saying "Enjoy yourself".

William

157 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:35:30pm

re: #151 EB71

I do not think that the reference to echoing 9/11 was problematic as rhetoric. However, the President suggested that the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico echoed 9/11 and then stated that the seafood from the Gulf of Mexico is safe to eat. Without meaning to, the President may have inadvertently echoed the EPA's advisories shortly post-9/11 that the air around Ground Zero was safe to breathe - which turned out to be wrong at the time.

Ouch damn it I will call that a gaff as well.... unless you like your shrimp "preblackened" then there's no way oil soaked seafood is for you...

158 Bagua  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:35:47pm

re: #145 brookly red

yes and 20,000 plus American workers are pretty scared right about now...but don't worry I am sure BO can do for the energy sector what he has done for the financial sector.

20,000? You better check those numbers.

159 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:36:32pm

re: #145 brookly red
If the actual stories we are hearing of ways to help mediate this that are not being used are even partially true, BP is not the only one guilty of criminal negligence.

160 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:37:11pm

re: #154 albusteve

She's sharp as a tack, clear as a diamond, and sweet as a strawberry. She's an asset here, I tells ya.

161 Bagua  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:37:24pm

re: #153 reine.de.tout

Nope.
The first gaffe in my mind happened when Salazar changed the report after the engineering experts had signed off on it, making it appear they had recommended the 6-month moratorium that the President declared, when they did no such thing.

The second gaffe is that the President hasn't yet lifted the moratorium he called based on a report by experts, when those experts have made it clear now that they never recommended such drastic action.

As the investigation proceeds, it becomes more and more apparent that BP for days, made bad decision after bad decision, in order to try to save money; those decisions led directly to the blowout. BP should be blamed; BP should be penalized; but there is no reason to penalize the other companies nor thousands of workers in Ala, Miss, La. and Texas.

Yes, but let's not whitewash the regulatory failure. Every mistake was approved by the MMS.

162 brookly red  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:37:47pm

re: #158 Bagua

20,000? You better check those numbers.

BP Has over 20,000 US employees I don't need to check.

163 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:37:48pm

re: #131 Dark_Falcon

Well, I am a believer. I just think that this law is of dubious value.

I don't. I think it underscores what we as Americans already believe. Not one shred of that disgusting ideology should ever be given consideration.

164 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:41:04pm

re: #163 Boogberg

I don't. I think it underscores what we as Americans already believe. Not one shred of that disgusting ideology should ever be given consideration.

That last I agree with.

165 Bagua  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:41:18pm

re: #162 brookly red

BP Has over 20,000 US employees I don't need to check.

You do, there are 5 to 10 support jobs for every oil worker. That puts the actual effect on employment of the moratorium from 100,000 to 200,000 jobs. Almost none of which will transfer with the higher tiers of skilled jobs which will relocate to Brazil, Trinidad, Africa and Asia. The economic effect will be devastating.

166 brookly red  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:41:27pm

re: #159 tradewind

If the actual stories we are hearing of ways to help mediate this that are not being used are even partially true, BP is not the only one guilty of criminal negligence.

yes well there is that but hey I don't totally blame BO, the Fed is just too big & too slow to maneuver aggressively .

167 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:42:59pm

re: #158 Bagua

20,000? You better check those numbers.

Impact on Louisiana alone:
B

ATON ROUGE (June 14, 2010) - The six-month drilling moratorium in the Gulf of Mexico will cripple Louisiana's economy and leave thousands of families without income, particularly in coastal Louisiana, where one in three jobs is related to the oil and natural gas industry. In Louisiana, oil and gas production can be divided into three industries - oil and gas extraction, refineries and pipelines - which in 2005 supported more than 15 percent of the total household incomes earned in the state.

How much oil comes from the Gulf of Mexico?
Around 33 percent of domestic oil in the United States comes through the Gulf of Mexico;
Eighty percent of the Gulf of Mexico's oil and 45 percent of its natural gas comes from "deepwater" operations that occur in more than 1,000 feet of water.

How many jobs does the oil and gas industry provide in Louisiana now?
The Louisiana Department of Economic Development estimates that the active drilling suspension alone will result in a loss of 3,000 to 6,000 Louisiana jobs in the first two to three weeks;
The ban could cost Louisianans more than 10,000 jobs within a few months;
The state risks losing more than 20,000 existing and potential new jobs during a 12 to 18 month period, if the federal panel takes longer than six months to do their reviews and write their reports;
Coastal Louisiana, where one in three jobs is related to the oil and gas industry, services around 90 percent of deepwater operations in the Gulf of Mexico;
The Louisiana Department of Natural Resources estimates that an average of two supply boats per rig work every day with rates of $15,000 to $30,000 a boat, which means that suspension of drilling activity will result in a nearly $1 million loss per day in supply boat rental income.

Each drilling rig job supports four other jobs in local communities.

168 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:43:35pm

re: #159 tradewind

If the actual stories we are hearing of ways to help mediate this that are not being used are even partially true, BP is not the only one guilty of criminal negligence.

Yeah, the gov't should totally jump on any potential solution that's offered at the drop of a hat. What could go wrong?

169 Bagua  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:44:07pm

re: #159 tradewind

If the actual stories we are hearing of ways to help mediate this that are not being used are even partially true, BP is not the only one guilty of criminal negligence.

Mostly fantasy. The only real controversy is whether they should use dispersants or try to skim off more from the surface. I don't have a firm conclusion on that but I favour the non-dispersant side now because we haven't a clue what the effects are.

170 Racer X  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:44:12pm

re: #153 reine.de.tout

Nope.
The first gaffe in my mind happened when Salazar changed the report after the engineering experts had signed off on it, making it appear they had recommended the 6-month moratorium that the President declared, when they did no such thing.

The second gaffe is that the President hasn't yet lifted the moratorium he called based on a report by experts, when those experts have made it clear now that they never recommended such drastic action.

As the investigation proceeds, it becomes more and more apparent that BP for days, made bad decision after bad decision, in order to try to save money; those decisions led directly to the blowout. BP should be blamed; BP should be penalized; but there is no reason to penalize the other companies nor thousands of workers in Ala, Miss, La. and Texas.

And once again Reine hits one outta the park. A 90 yard touchdown run. A 3-pointer from half court.

171 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:44:28pm

re: #165 Bagua

You do, there are 5 to 10 support jobs for every oil worker. That puts the actual effect on employment of the moratorium from 100,000 to 200,000 jobs. Almost none of which will transfer with the higher tiers of skilled jobs which will relocate to Brazil, Trinidad, Africa and Asia. The economic effect will be devastating.

And every one of those jobs supports other jobs in local communities - supplies, food and restaurant, hotel, etc.

172 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:45:54pm

re: #154 albusteve

re: #155 Rightwingconspirator

re: #160 Slumbering Behemoth

re: #170 Racer X

Not unexpectedly, this is a situation I am keeping a very close watch on.

173 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:46:14pm

re: #169 Bagua
What convinces you that they are mostly fantasy?

174 brookly red  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:46:55pm

re: #165 Bagua

You do, there are 5 to 10 support jobs for every oil worker. That puts the actual effect on employment of the moratorium from 100,000 to 200,000 jobs. Almost none of which will transfer with the higher tiers of skilled jobs which will relocate to Brazil, Trinidad, Africa and Asia. The economic effect will be devastating.

I was being conservative but as usual that makes me be a sucker... yes BO has yet another really good chance to destroy our economy and it is 10 times worse than the numbers show... but I am becoming strangely desensitized to that. At this point I figure the sooner he can wreck it the sooner we can get back to fixing it.

175 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:47:35pm

re: #168 JasonA
No, they should wait forty days or so before making any move at all to stop the encroaching oil, even though governors are pleading with them to let them erect booms. They should commission a few more studies./

176 Bagua  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:48:25pm

re: #167 reine.de.tout

That's only Louisiana. As I say, the full unemployment impact is between 100 and 200,000 jobs. The majority of which will be several years minimum in duration. I'm not counting the knock-on effects you mention.

177 Racer X  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:48:34pm

re: #167 reine.de.tout

The Louisiana Department of Economic Development estimates that the active drilling suspension alone will result in a loss of 3,000 to 6,000 Louisiana jobs in the first two to three weeks;
The ban could cost Louisianans more than 10,000 jobs within a few months;

The state risks losing more than 20,000 existing and potential new jobs during a 12 to 18 month period, if the federal panel takes longer than six months to do their reviews and write their reports;


Why would the President of the United States intentionally cripple an entire industry, putting hundreds of thousands of jobs at risk?

I understand the need to reduce our dependance on oil, but holy freaking crap. I didn't vote for this change.

178 Bagua  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:48:46pm

re: #173 tradewind

What convinces you that they are mostly fantasy?

BRB, tel. call.

179 Reginald Perrin  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:49:52pm

Tea Party favorite Dr. Rand Paul is NOT a board-certified doctor, claims report


According to the Courier-Journal in Louisville, The Tea Party booster is not a "board-certified" ophthalmologist.

Paul, instead, is certified by the National Board of Ophthalmology, a group he founded in 1999 and currently serves as the head of.

He responded to the charges earlier today. "It's a personal assault on my ability to make a living," he said.

Paul, who is known for his strict libertarian views, claimed that he started his board in protest of the American Board of Ophthalmology, an AMA-certified board.

This more legit board requires doctors certified after 1992 to recertify every decade.

"I thought this was hypocritical and unjust for the older ophthalmologists to exempt themselves from the recertification exam," Paul wrote.

180 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:49:53pm

re: #176 Bagua

That's only Louisiana. As I say, the full unemployment impact is between 100 and 200,000 jobs. The majority of which will be several years minimum in duration. I'm not counting the knock-on effects you mention.

And I agree. That was just the Louisiana impact. I can't find anything on the other state's BP response pages that gives similar information.

181 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:53:10pm

re: #151 EB71
I see your point, but apples and oranges, to a degree. The seafood can be monitored and tested for known pollutants, as it has always been, and there are acceptable standards as a guideline. The oil is a known substance. The air quality after 9-11 was somewhat of a mystery, since no one knew exactly what composed the fumes, no one knew how any one individual would react to what levels of pollution and how long it would take for any damage to show up. A lot depended upon how close one was to the actual blast, how long one was exposed, etc.

182 Euesperides invidius  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:53:31pm

They do have Sharia courts in the UK (and did have them in Canada for a while) that judge regarding family law.

The Beit Din of America is a religious court capable of making legally binding decisions--provided the parties agree to the arbitration of the court.

I guess the OK law wouldn't prohibit a sharia court on this model. And I also highly doubt there would ever be UK-style sharia courts here. Perhaps it is not even consistent with US law.

183 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:53:37pm

re: #177 Racer X
Never Let A Good Crisis Go To Waste/.

184 brookly red  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:53:48pm

re: #176 Bagua

That's only Louisiana. As I say, the full unemployment impact is between 100 and 200,000 jobs. The majority of which will be several years minimum in duration. I'm not counting the knock-on effects you mention.

but really when you think about it we have been loosing 400 to 600 thousand jobs a month since BO came to power... what is another 200 thousand compared to the 20million jobs lost already... look give the guy a chance.

185 Digital Display  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:53:59pm

What the Heck? I have a 1000 channels and 1 live baseball game available tonight...
OK Hoopster choice between Seattle or have your privates hooked up to a car battery...
mmmm
Choose now!
mmmmm...I'm thinking about it..
ZAP!
For gawds sake! Does anybody have some KY lube here?
Choose Hoopster!
ZAP!
So you are saying KY is out of the question?
ZAP!
OK I'll scan a thousand channels again
Dang straight Hoopster..
ZAP!
Ouch!

186 brookly red  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:54:39pm

re: #177 Racer X

Why would the President of the United States intentionally cripple an entire industry, putting hundreds of thousands of jobs at risk?

I understand the need to reduce our dependance on oil, but holy freaking crap. I didn't vote for this change.

are you starting to question his motives?

187 Bagua  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:54:52pm

re: #180 reine.de.tout

And I agree. That was just the Louisiana impact. I can't find anything on the other state's BP response pages that gives similar information.

My source in management within the industry, some who would be staffing operations.

188 avanti  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:55:37pm

re: #184 brookly red

but really when you think about it we have been loosing 400 to 600 thousand jobs a month since BO came to power... what is another 200 thousand compared to the 20million jobs lost already... look give the guy a chance.

Would you prefer the much higher numbers we were losing before he was elected ?

189 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:55:50pm

re: #172 reine.de.tout

You and Austin Blue and Bagua have been great on this. I have come to trust you three more than anyone anywhere on this issue.

190 Renaissance_Man  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:56:36pm
191 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:56:40pm

re: #177 Racer X

Why would the President of the United States intentionally cripple an entire industry, putting hundreds of thousands of jobs at risk?

I understand the need to reduce our dependance on oil, but holy freaking crap. I didn't vote for this change.

I agree that there is a need to reduce our dependance on oil. But until the technology has developed to allow us to do that, and to allow people to be employed in those alternative areas, then this is just craziness.

I'm hoping that the President was not aware of all the implications of that full moratorium when he called it.

I think the President and government officials have been given bad information by BP all along, leading to some confusion as to how to take a role in this.

I think Salazar changed that report to make it appear as if the experts were recommending something he and Browner particularly would like to see happen, and the President went with it, believing it to be accurate.

The roughnecks on a rig, with just a HS education, can make $60,000 - $70,000 a year. In this neck of the woods, those are great jobs and that's good money. Unemployment isn't gonna cover it; and these folks have no hope of making anywhere near that sort of money in other local-area jobs. So if those jobs are gone permanently, those folks are in a bad way, even if they find other employment.

192 brookly red  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:57:01pm

re: #188 avanti

Would you prefer the much higher numbers we were losing before he was elected ?

that is so bullshit I can no longer converse with you.

193 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:57:12pm

re: #179 Reginald Perrin
Actually, if you check, a majority of M.D.'s are not actually ' board certified ' in their specialties, although the very best ones tend to be, and I'm going to look for it in a doctor. But lack of board certification does not necessarily equal ' bad doctor', so you have to be careful using that in a pejorative way.

194 Bagua  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:58:06pm

re: #184 brookly red

but really when you think about it we have been loosing 400 to 600 thousand jobs a month since BO came to power... what is another 200 thousand compared to the 20million jobs lost already... look give the guy a chance.

The 1-200,000 jobs are a drop in the overall bucket, but devastating for the Gulf states who will also be suffering from the impact on the much smaller fishing industry. The wider effect on the US economy will come from the loss of production and the increase in the oil price.

Never-mind if they decide to take a look at the decrepit land and shallow water drilling. I don't know which dog to back in that mess.

195 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:59:05pm

re: #163 Boogberg

I don't. I think it underscores what we as Americans already believe. Not one shred of that disgusting ideology should ever be given consideration.

An image of Muhammed graces the Supreme Court, alongside other historical "lawgivers."

196 Bagua  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:59:24pm

re: #189 Rightwingconspirator

You and Austin Blue and Bagua have been great on this. I have come to trust you three more than anyone anywhere on this issue.

Thank you for including me in that illustrious group.

197 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 6:59:46pm

re: #179 Reginald Perrin

Tea Party favorite Dr. Rand Paul is NOT a board-certified doctor, claims report


re: #190 Renaissance_Man

A close read of the details of that and related stories does not show that Dr. RP is a bad eye doctor--it shows he is a deceptive jackass.

198 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:00:06pm

re: #188 avanti
I'm sorry, but it's beyond disingenuous for the administration to have inserted government census worker jobs into their stats as if they were actual ' jobs created '.
They're more like temporary workers.

199 Bagua  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:01:19pm

re: #177 Racer X

Why would the President of the United States intentionally cripple an entire industry, putting hundreds of thousands of jobs at risk?

I understand the need to reduce our dependance on oil, but holy freaking crap. I didn't vote for this change.

I'm not sure he realised what he is doing in terms of long term consequences. Who knows? But he surely knows now.

200 Racer X  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:01:47pm

re: #186 brookly red

are you starting to question his motives?

Initially I questioned his experience, his choice of friends and mentors, and his skill in dealing with difficult situations. I'm beginning to question his motives, yes.

201 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:01:52pm

re: #179 Reginald Perrin
He's enough of a dick without questioning his status as a doctor./

202 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:02:32pm

re: #194 Bagua

The 1-200,000 jobs are a drop in the overall bucket, but devastating for the Gulf states who will also be suffering from the impact on the much smaller fishing industry. The wider effect on the US economy will come from the loss of production and the increase in the oil price.

Never-mind if they decide to take a look at the decrepit land and shallow water drilling. I don't know which dog to back in that mess.

There is also a lethal threat to the not-small tourist industry. We are planning what might be our last trip to St. George to eat some fish.

203 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:02:33pm

Guys . . .

I take issue with many of the decisions being made right now as regards this blowout, some being made by BP, at least one by the President, and several by some of the other government agencies involved.

But I'm asking you please don't drag me into a discussion about the President's motives or anything along those lines. I'm not gonna do it. I have no reason to believe the President wants to ruin anybody's life.

I think it's very possible the President, like the public, is getting bad information and bad advice, and I hope he begins to realize it pretty soon, and make whatever changes he needs to make to get better information. I was listening to CNN earlier today, somebody reporting from the Gulf area, and - OUCH! - they were so full of misinformation and half-pieces of information it was amazing. I don't know how anybody can keep up with what's REALLY happening, what with all the misunderstanding that I hear.

204 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:02:53pm

re: #200 Racer X
When the NYT says ' it's a question of competence and leadership ' and leaves it hanging as if to add ' and Obama's falling short on both' , you know there are real problems.

205 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:03:20pm

re: #200 Racer X

Initially I questioned his experience, his choice of friends and mentors, and his skill in dealing with difficult situations. I'm beginning to question his motives, yes.


Ah. Questioning an administrations motives. I remember doing that during the Iraq War. Good times, good times.

206 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:03:29pm

re: #189 Rightwingconspirator

You and Austin Blue and Bagua have been great on this. I have come to trust you three more than anyone anywhere on this issue.

Thanks RWC.
Bagua and AustinBlue have a really good understanding of the technical stuff, it's amazing.

207 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:03:47pm

re: #203 reine.de.tout
I agree.
I think he is simply out of his depth on this one.
It's a shame.

208 brookly red  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:04:02pm

re: #198 tradewind

I'm sorry, but it's beyond disingenuous for the administration to have inserted government census worker jobs into their stats as if they were actual ' jobs created '.
They're more like temporary workers.

and one of them is about to be tried for using my name & ss number ... ooops

209 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:04:23pm

It's hard for me to express how weary I am of people who think the solution to every problem is to deport 'em all.

210 Racer X  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:04:46pm

re: #203 reine.de.tout

Understand completely.

211 brookly red  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:05:00pm

re: #200 Racer X

Initially I questioned his experience, his choice of friends and mentors, and his skill in dealing with difficult situations. I'm beginning to question his motives, yes.

well what can I say the facts speak for them selves...

212 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:05:19pm

re: #209 Charles

It's hard for me to express how weary I am of people who think the solution to every problem is to deport 'em all.

Those dishwashing jobs are for real Americans, Charles./

213 Bagua  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:05:29pm

re: #202 Decatur Deb

There is also a lethal threat to the not-small tourist industry. We are planning what might be our last trip to St. George to eat some fish.

Nope, not lethal. Perhaps a lost season or two. That is a consequence of the spill, not the moratorium.

214 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:05:56pm

re: #174 brookly red

I was being conservative but as usual that makes me be a sucker... yes BO has yet another really good chance to destroy our economy and it is 10 times worse than the numbers show... but I am becoming strangely desensitized to that. At this point I figure the sooner he can wreck it the sooner we can get back to fixing it.

That was the exact intent of some of my comments earlier today. Let him go... full speed ahead... him and his administration are doing a fine job of alienating a lot of people on all sides of the political spectrum... he's becoming a deficit to the country.

215 avanti  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:06:03pm

re: #198 tradewind

I'm sorry, but it's beyond disingenuous for the administration to have inserted government census worker jobs into their stats as if they were actual ' jobs created '.
They're more like temporary workers.

Fair enough, but the census jobs are only part of the recent job gains.

216 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:06:29pm

re: #197 Decatur Deb

re: #190 Renaissance_Man

A close read of the details of that and related stories does not show that Dr. RP is a bad eye doctor--it shows he is a deceptive jackass.

I'd recommend that anyone interested in a good read should check out the current issue of National Review. Ramesh Ponnuru has an excellent article in it where he lays out how Rand Paul in mistaken regarding the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Its' called "The Right's Civil Wrongs" and it is well worth the purchase price.

217 Racer X  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:06:49pm

re: #209 Charles

It's hard for me to express how weary I am of people who think the solution to every problem is to deport 'em all.

Anyone who seriously supports 'deporting them all' is detached from reality. It will never happen, and should never happen.

218 cliffster  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:07:11pm

evil barack obama is intentionally destroying the country? are we conspiratorialating?

219 brookly red  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:07:42pm

re: #214 Walter L. Newton

That was the exact intent of some of my comments earlier today. Let him go... full speed ahead... him and his administration are doing a fine job of alienating a lot of people on all sides of the political spectrum... he's becoming a deficit to the country.

yes we will need to hit bottom to bounce up...

220 windsagio  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:08:01pm

re: #214 Walter L. Newton

I'd be glad to have my president alienate the left extremists :D

221 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:08:51pm

re: #213 Bagua

Nope, not lethal. Perhaps a lost season or two. That is a consequence of the spill, not the moratorium.

I'm using reports of the EXXON cleanup as a baseline. I hope it's 2 yrs.

222 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:09:38pm

re: #220 windsagio

I'd be glad to have my president alienate the left extremists :D

Whatever.

223 Racer X  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:09:49pm

re: #214 Walter L. Newton

That was the exact intent of some of my comments earlier today. Let him go... full speed ahead... him and his administration are doing a fine job of alienating a lot of people on all sides of the political spectrum... he's becoming a deficit to the country.

It's not in my nature to cheer on someone who is failing. I criticize Obama in the hope that he comes around to my way of thinking. Lately I just shake my head though. Too many rookie mistakes. He needs better advisors. Hillary and Bill must be pissed.

224 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:09:59pm

re: #209 Charles

It's hard for me to express how weary I am of people who think the solution to every problem is to deport 'em all.

It's a very bad idea, I agree. But I do hope that sandbox comes to realize he's wrong, and apologizes. I will not, however, hold my breath.

225 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:10:01pm

re: #214 Walter L. Newton

It's really amusing to listen to you on Obama. You sound exactly like I did about President Bush about 5 years ago or so.

Unless I missed one of your invisible / again... ;)

William

226 Renaissance_Man  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:10:15pm

re: #218 cliffster

evil barack obama is intentionally destroying the country? are we conspiratorialating?

The question appears to be whether he's a drooling moron or a malicious force of evil destroying all that we hold dear.

I love these bipartisan debates.

227 cliffster  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:11:22pm

re: #225 wlewisiii

It's really amusing to listen to you on Obama. You sound exactly like I did about President Bush about 5 years ago or so.

Unless I missed one of your invisible / again... ;)

William

5 years ago the economy was humming. 4 years ago the democrats took over Congress. 2 years ago it all collapsed. What exactly were you saying about Bush 5 years ago?

228 Bagua  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:11:31pm

re: #218 cliffster

evil barack obama is intentionally destroying the country? are we conspiratorialating?

I don't accept that theory. There are valid reasons to shut down most of the US oil and gas industry on safety grounds. The situation is ridiculous. What the president has to decide is how to balance this reality with the economic impacts.

229 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:11:51pm

Hopping mad! A certain pizza company took our warmers because we are not selling pizzas this year. Those chintzy bastards weren't out a freakin' cent letting us use them. Now we're gonna' hafta' spend our league's money to buy them and from what I've gathered, they aren't cheap. I just cannot believe the fucking gall. Sure, we should sell pizzas because they cost us $5.00 each and we sell the slices for $2.00 each with a profit of $11.00. But, to take away those warmers when there is no use for them otherwise just blows my mind. I feel a pointed letter to corporate coming on.

230 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:12:01pm

re: #225 wlewisiii

It's really amusing to listen to you on Obama. You sound exactly like I did about President Bush about 5 years ago or so.

Unless I missed one of your invisible / again... ;)

William

Goody.

231 cliffster  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:12:07pm

re: #226 Renaissance_Man

The question appears to be whether he's a drooling moron or a malicious force of evil destroying all that we hold dear.

I love these bipartisan debates.

paper or plastic?

232 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:13:09pm

re: #229 MandyManners

Oh, and I'll make darn sure that any committee for charity or school or what-have-you never teams up with those cheap jerks again.

233 jaunte  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:13:10pm

re: #228 Bagua

I don't accept that theory. There are valid reasons to shut down most of the US oil and gas industry on safety grounds


Unfortunately this doesn't preserve the rest of the earth from oil spills, it just moves the problem offshore. Any US-enforceable moratorium is going to be a nimby move.

234 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:13:48pm

Dammit! I was just heading out to OK to divorce my four common-law wives by declaring "I divorce ye" thrice de conspectu the local shariah court.

235 Bagua  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:14:03pm

re: #221 Decatur Deb

I'm using reports of the EXXON cleanup as a baseline. I hope it's 2 yrs.

Most of the visible impact will be over within a year of the end of the leak. I'm allowing 9-12 months to kill the well in my estimate. If by some miracle they manage to kill it in August, the recovery will likely be very quick.

236 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:14:27pm

re: #229 MandyManners
Let 'em have it, Mandy!

237 EB71  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:14:44pm

re: #181 tradewind

I appreciate your point that the actual source of risk is an apples-oranges comparison (generally unknown at the time for Ground Zero, generally known for Gulf of Mexico oil spill). To me, the rhetorical effect of using a phrase like "echoes 9/11" and making a blanket declaration that Gulf of Mexico is safe to eat, albeit in two different public appearances, immediately led to my recall of the EPA's air quality declarations post-9/11. Also, I would guess that whatever government agency is responsible for overseeing the quality/safety of seafood was overstretched even before the oil spill.

238 Racer X  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:14:55pm

re: #226 Renaissance_Man

The question appears to be whether he's a drooling moron or a malicious force of evil destroying all that we hold dear.

I love these bipartisan debates.

2004 - George Bush:
Evil Genius or Incompetent Buffoon?

2010 - Barack Obama
Drooling Moron or a Malicious Force of Evil?

239 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:15:21pm

re: #228 Bagua

I don't accept that theory. There are valid reasons to shut down most of the US oil and gas industry on safety grounds. The situation is ridiculous. What the president has to decide is how to balance this reality with the economic impacts.

The other drillers have to validate that they have their act together, and that BP was totally FUBAHR. If BP looks like the norm, no president could line up with them.

240 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:15:30pm

Good Evening LGF.
I assume this measure to ban judges from imposing sharia law has not been passed into law yet, and may never be passed.
Does anyone know if the proposed law is in bill form yet, and if so does anyone have a link?

241 Bagua  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:15:39pm

re: #233 jaunte

Unfortunately this doesn't preserve the rest of the earth from oil spills, it just moves the problem offshore. Any US-enforceable moratorium is going to be a nimby move.

Actually, the standards are a lot higher elsewhere.

242 Renaissance_Man  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:15:53pm

re: #238 Racer X

2004 - George Bush:
Evil Genius or Incompetent Buffoon?

2010 - Barack Obama
Drooling Moron or a Malicious Force of Evil?

You Decide.

243 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:16:18pm

re: #234 Cato the Elder

Dammit! I was just heading out to OK to divorce my four common-law wives by declaring "I divorce ye" thrice de conspectu the local shariah court.

Need the name of a good divorce attorney?

244 jaunte  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:16:52pm

re: #241 Bagua

I'm thinking of Venezuela and Nigeria, but I don't have specific information on their enforcement efforts.

245 cliffster  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:16:53pm

re: #240 Spare O'Lake

Good Evening LGF.
I assume this measure to ban judges from imposing sharia law has not been passed into law yet, and may never be passed.
Does anyone know if the proposed law is in bill form yet, and if so does anyone have a link?

Aww, what the hell, pass it. Why not? While you're at it, pass a law banning talking goats.

246 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:16:56pm

re: #236 tradewind

Let 'em have it, Mandy!

I'm gonna' let it stew for a while. There's no telling what I'd say if I wrote the e-mail now.

247 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:17:49pm

re: #223 Racer X

It's not in my nature to cheer on someone who is failing. I criticize Obama in the hope that he comes around to my way of thinking. Lately I just shake my head though. Too many rookie mistakes. He needs better advisors. Hillary and Bill must be pissed.

I'm not cheering... I'm stating facts. For instance, he's asking for 50 billion more to save teachers, police and firemen jobs. What the fuck happened? That was one of the purposes of the first batch of money.

Go search LGF, go look what I said about that first batch of money and how it would never filter down past the managers, the administrators, the engineers, the contract managers and so on...

It was a big handout to upper management and used for state administrative purposes... the lowly public servant never even saw any of it.

I nailed it over a year ago... I'm not surprised.

248 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:17:49pm

re: #245 cliffster

Aww, what the hell, pass it. Why not? While you're at it, pass a law banning talking goats.

As long as you leave fainting goats alone,...

249 Bagua  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:17:52pm

re: #239 Decatur Deb

The other drillers have to validate that they have their act together, and that BP was totally FUBAHR. If BP looks like the norm, no president could line up with them.

They can't validate, that's the problem. Too late for that. They need to start over from scratch.

250 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:18:16pm

re: #234 Cato the Elder

Dammit! I was just heading out to OK to divorce my four common-law wives by declaring "I divorce ye" thrice de conspectu the local shariah court.

You wish.

251 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:18:33pm

Sharia's gonna jump out of the bushes and gitcha.

252 ~Fianna  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:19:14pm

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

Sorry, I'm just a cruiser skipper. I only know about him from providing escort to a carrier carrying Black Omega Squadron.

/serious B5 geekage

I know that this is a little crazy to admit, but back during the 04 Dem primary cycle, I commented that among many other reasons, I just couldn't vote for Wes Clark because we all know what happens when you have President Clark.

253 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:19:30pm

re: #234 Cato the Elder
Which begs the question as to the necessity of formally ending a marriage where no formal agreement ever existed./

254 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:19:35pm

re: #251 Charles

Sharia's gonna jump out of the bushes and gitcha.

Wait, what happened to the cop that was hiding back there?

/

255 b_snark  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:19:37pm

re: #246 MandyManners

I'm gonna' let it stew for a while. There's no telling what I'd say if I wrote the e-mail now.

Good idea.

My wife wrote a complaint against a co-worker on Friday. She re-wrote it today. Big difference.

256 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:19:37pm

I seem to have much more faith in the American system of guaranteed freedoms than a lot of right wingers do.

257 austin_blue  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:19:53pm

re: #161 Bagua

Yes, but let's not whitewash the regulatory failure. Every mistake was approved by the MMS.

It's an odd thing, isn't it? The MMS trusted BP to do the right thing because a blowout of this proportion could absolutely bankrupt BP. Meanwhile, BP was cutting corners with a well they *knew* had dangerously high vertical pressure gradients that had already stuck a string of pipe and forced them to cement in one section of the bore, blow the string, and kick off with an new drilling string and bottom hole assembly.

Is MMS a rubber stamp? Yes. Has it *always* been a rubber stamp? It certainly was when I was doing wellhead geology work back in the 70's.

That's the basic problem with the anti-regulatory people who keep saying that it's best to let industry police itself because their risk analysis would never result in exactly what we are seeing today.

As far as the moratorium, I am in favor of a pause in new deep water wildcats. Development wells in established deep water fields and all shallow water wells should be allowed to continue if (IF!) the company running the play proves they have sufficient assets to respond effectively to a worst case scenario.

258 jaunte  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:20:35pm

When ya gonna get to me, get to me
Is it just a matter of time, Aharia
Is it a destiny, a destiny
Or is it just a game in my mind, Sharia?

259 austin_blue  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:21:00pm

re: #185 HoosierHoops

What the Heck? I have a 1000 channels and 1 live baseball game available tonight...
OK Hoopster choice between Seattle or have your privates hooked up to a car battery...
mmm
Choose now!
mmm...I'm thinking about it..
ZAP!
For gawds sake! Does anybody have some KY lube here?
Choose Hoopster!
ZAP!
So you are saying KY is out of the question?
ZAP!
OK I'll scan a thousand channels again
Dang straight Hoopster..
ZAP!
Ouch!

Storm passed, I assume?

260 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:21:01pm

re: #256 Charles

I seem to have much more faith in the American system of guaranteed freedoms than a lot of right wingers do.

Probably because you have more faith in the current administration that they will uphold those guaranteed freedoms.

261 jaunte  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:21:15pm

Let a = s, pimf.

262 brookly red  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:22:07pm

re: #229 MandyManners

Hopping mad! A certain pizza company took our warmers because we are not selling pizzas this year. Those chintzy bastards weren't out a freakin' cent letting us use them. Now we're gonna' hafta' spend our league's money to buy them and from what I've gathered, they aren't cheap. I just cannot believe the fucking gall. Sure, we should sell pizzas because they cost us $5.00 each and we sell the slices for $2.00 each with a profit of $11.00. But, to take away those warmers when there is no use for them otherwise just blows my mind. I feel a pointed letter to corporate coming on.

It all comes down to pizza in the end...

263 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:22:11pm

re: #253 tradewind

Which begs the question as to the necessity of formally ending a marriage where no formal agreement ever existed./

Common law is binding.

264 Racer X  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:22:12pm

re: #247 Walter L. Newton

I'm not cheering... I'm stating facts. For instance, he's asking for 50 billion more to save teachers, police and firemen jobs. What the fuck happened? That was one of the purposes of the first batch of money.

Go search LGF, go look what I said about that first batch of money and how it would never filter down past the managers, the administrators, the engineers, the contract managers and so on...

It was a big handout to upper management and used for state administrative purposes... the lowly public servant never even saw any of it.

I nailed it over a year ago... I'm not surprised.

I hear ya brother.

Every freaking election LAUSD asks for more money 'for the kids' (tears streaming). And every year LAUSD spends money on bullshit stuff and screws the kids. Every year the voters fall for it.

Government is like that.

265 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:22:28pm

re: #260 Walter L. Newton

Probably because you have more faith in the current administration that they will uphold those guaranteed freedoms.

I forgot about the evil Obama. You're right. Excuse me while I install some more locks on the door.

266 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:22:36pm

re: #253 tradewind

Which begs the question as to the necessity of formally ending a marriage where no formal agreement ever existed./

Remember the "temporary" marriages allowed?

267 ~Fianna  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:23:00pm

re: #190 Renaissance_Man

Well, well, well.

Just to be clear, not being board-certified doesn't make him either a bad doctor or doing something illegal.

He's a nut, but being board-certified isn't a requirement to practice. He is a real doctor and a state-licensed ophthalmologist.

This, to me, is something of a nontroversy, honestly.

268 windsagio  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:23:14pm

re: #222 Walter L. Newton

re: #230 Walter L. Newton

re: #260 Walter L. Newton

Bad day at work, Walter?

269 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:23:19pm

re: #255 b_sharp

Good idea.

My wife wrote a complaint against a co-worker on Friday. She re-wrote it today. Big difference.

Speak when you are angry and you will make the best speech you will ever regret.

Ambrose Bierce

270 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:23:19pm

re: #195 goddamnedfrank

An image of Muhammed graces the Supreme Court, alongside other historical "lawgivers."

Yeah that's right. Black people used to be property too.

271 cliffster  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:23:34pm

I wonder if this sets up stuff in the appeals process? That judgements can be challenged on the basis that they must have been made applying sharia?

272 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:23:43pm

re: #262 brookly red

It all comes down to pizza in the end...

We had no pineapple.

273 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:23:43pm

It's not easy being constantly doomed.

274 windsagio  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:24:13pm

re: #270 Boogberg

That doesn't make a remote amount of sense >>

275 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:24:21pm

Evening Honcos.
{Mandy}hope I did that right.

276 windsagio  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:24:34pm

re: #273 Charles

Easier than thinkin' about how to improve your situation!

277 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:24:44pm

re: #256 Charles

I seem to have much more faith in the American system of guaranteed freedoms than a lot of right wingers do.

It's always amused me how they claim to be for "small" or "limited" government, but want the government to stick its nose in your bedroom, in abortion clinics, in classrooms, etc, etc.

278 jaunte  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:24:45pm

The adrenals eventually give out.

279 cliffster  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:25:09pm

Can you do this?

Image: yoga.jpg

280 brookly red  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:25:11pm

re: #272 MandyManners

We had no pineapple.

then God is on your side, let not your heart be troubled you shall be victorious...

281 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:25:45pm

re: #237 EB71
If you don't grow or raise it yourself, you take a chance with every bite, but that would drive you crazy to think about after a while. I had a fine mess of gulf shrimp last week that my sister brought home from the beach, and I will be distraught if they're not available in August when I get down there next. If they're still selling them at Sextons' when I get there, I'm gonna eat 'em without a twinge.
That said, I haven't eaten a raw oyster, even from the gulf, in five or six years, and I think that ship has sailed.

282 b_snark  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:26:02pm

re: #267 ~Fianna

Just to be clear, not being board-certified doesn't make him either a bad doctor or doing something illegal.

He's a nut, but being board-certified isn't a requirement to practice. He is a real doctor and a state-licensed ophthalmologist.

This, to me, is something of a nontroversy, honestly.

Claiming board certification gives credibility and increases trust. Making up your own board to get certification makes that credibility and trust no more than lies.

283 windsagio  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:26:56pm

re: #277 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

That's human nature in a nutshell.

Anyways, most of them only want small government in the abstract, they don't know what it means beyond the way that americans have an instinctive dislike of the gov't.

284 Racer X  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:27:19pm

re: #279 cliffster

Can you do this?

Image: yoga.jpg

In bed.

285 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:27:31pm

re: #273 Charles

It's not easy being constantly doomed.


Android of Constant Sorrow

286 b_snark  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:27:36pm

re: #269 MandyManners

Speak when you are angry and you will make the best speech you will ever regret.

Ambrose Bierce

In my opinion, the one she wrote today will be far more effective. Feeling takes a moment, thinking takes time and effort.

287 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:28:25pm

re: #274 windsagio

That doesn't make a remote amount of sense >>

Point being, just because you're a historical figure, doesn't mean you're right.

288 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:28:26pm

re: #273 Charles

It's not easy being constantly doomed.

What really sucks the big one is being a Calvinist. (Predestination + election = Christian Islam.)

But as T.E. Lawrence said, "Nothing is written!"

289 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:28:31pm

re: #246 MandyManners
Oh, don't write the e-mail. Do it in a letter or a phone call.
E-mails will come back to haunt your life.

290 austin_blue  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:28:36pm

re: #189 Rightwingconspirator

You and Austin Blue and Bagua have been great on this. I have come to trust you three more than anyone anywhere on this issue.

Thankee!

Odd, isn't it? Reine is a devout Catholic and I left the RCC thirty years ago over fundamental doctrinal disagreements. But I absolutely respect her faith and would never, ever, mock it. Bagua and I would probably disagree on 60% of our core political positions, yet we can have spirited debate without having the conversation degenerate into a snot-slinging flame war.

It's why I love this joint. It's not an echo chamber.

291 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:29:33pm

re: #268 windsagio

re: #230 Walter L. Newton

re: #260 Walter L. Newton

Bad day at work, Walter?

No... I'm off today, tomorrow and I go back in Wed. at 2:15 for a 2:15 to 11:00 pm shift... then off Thursday, and then working Fri. and Sat. evening.

I spent most of the day building some jewelry chokers with some stones I cut last week. Had 2 orders from local citizens, and I readying three for a artist coop shop who is giving me some space in her showcase for some of my work.

Fixing to take some pictures of my work today and then tear apart a cheap gaudy necklace to get some of the antique metal beads from them.

I post a self-serving self-promotion picture in a few minutes.

292 Racer X  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:29:37pm

re: #273 Charles

It's not easy being constantly doomed.

Is that you Glum?

293 b_snark  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:29:53pm

re: #279 cliffster

Can you do this?

Image: yoga.jpg

Why would I want to?

294 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:30:16pm
295 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:30:25pm

re: #260 Walter L. Newton

We got Code Pink on the hysterical left, the ODS Tea Party and as above on the right.

Another metric I use apart from party affiliation- The calm among us trust the system.

Remember Maxine Waters and "no justice no peace" during the Rodney King riots? May we all that the additional lesson here. Understand the emotional content and how it leads these people astray from sheer sensibility.

296 brookly red  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:30:27pm

re: #279 cliffster

Can you do this?

Image: yoga.jpg

No but I can do that to you... Tony wants his money by Friday.

297 Bagua  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:31:18pm

re: #290 austin_blue

It's why I love this joint. It's not an echo chamber.

What he said.

298 Ben G. Hazi  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:31:23pm

re: #133 sandbox

You've just been deported from LGF...

/kthxbye

299 cliffster  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:31:40pm

re: #297 Bagua

What he said.

you're both right

300 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:32:05pm

re: #280 brookly red

then God is on your side, let not your heart be troubled you shall be victorious...

I like my savory to stay savory and my sweet to stay sweet.

301 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:32:17pm

re: #299 cliffster

you're both right

Agreed.

302 ~Fianna  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:32:36pm

re: #257 austin_blue


As far as the moratorium, I am in favor of a pause in new deep water wildcats. Development wells in established deep water fields and all shallow water wells should be allowed to continue if (IF!) the company running the play proves they have sufficient assets to respond effectively to a worst case scenario.

You had me up til here, and even with this, I'm only going to quibble slightly. It's not even a matter of the assets. It's a matter of "responding effectively" - it doesn't seem like there's been a lot of thought put in to response - effective or not - to a blow-out of this magnitude.

Please correct me if I'm wrong on this, because other than what I've read here, I've only been following consumer-media coverage of this issue, but BP's problem in capping this well isn't an asset issue, it's a lack of planning and engineering issue.

303 Racer X  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:32:49pm

re: #294 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, you gotta...

LOL!

304 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:33:01pm

Now folks, fret and worry. Just remember to...

305 brookly red  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:33:08pm

re: #290 austin_blue

Thankee!

Odd, isn't it? Reine is a devout Catholic and I left the RCC thirty years ago over fundamental doctrinal disagreements. But I absolutely respect her faith and would never, ever, mock it. Bagua and I would probably disagree on 60% of our core political positions, yet we can have spirited debate without having the conversation degenerate into a snot-slinging flame war.

It's why I love this joint. It's not an echo chamber.

mega dittos! urr I mean yeah right on!

306 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:33:25pm

re: #304 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

don't fret and worry

PIMF

307 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:33:48pm

re: #269 MandyManners
You could stick ' post ' in there too.
(voice of experience here).

308 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:34:07pm

I got my Zionist check today.

It's not as much as it was a year ago. :(

309 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:34:23pm

re: #286 b_sharp

In my opinion, the one she wrote today will be far more effective. Feeling takes a moment, thinking takes time and effort.

Precisely. And, the latter effort can still convey the emotional energy behind the original, emotional one but the emotions will be directed.

310 jaunte  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:34:41pm

re: #302 ~Fianna

Please correct me if I'm wrong on this, because other than what I've read here, I've only been following consumer-media coverage of this issue, but BP's problem in capping this well isn't an asset issue, it's a lack of planning and engineering issue.


If the same company(ies) are operating without accident elsewhere in the world, it may be a regulatory problem.

311 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:34:43pm

re: #308 Alouette

I got my Zionist check today.

It's not as much as it was a year ago. :(

Well...you know...inflation and all that. Not to mention oppressing and starving them folks in Gaza is expensive work.

/

312 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:35:24pm

re: #289 tradewind

Oh, don't write the e-mail. Do it in a letter or a phone call.
E-mails will come back to haunt your life.

There will be nothing in that e-mail that will not be in a letter.

313 brookly red  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:35:46pm

re: #308 Alouette

I got my Zionist check today.

It's not as much as it was a year ago. :(

blockades cost money...

314 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:36:31pm

re: #290 austin_blue

a snot-slinging flame war

A Lizard after my own heart!

315 b_snark  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:36:33pm

re: #309 MandyManners

Precisely. And, the latter effort can still convey the emotional energy behind the original, emotional one but the emotions will be directed.

You are a smart person.

316 cliffster  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:36:56pm

re: #313 brookly red

blockades cost money...

especially the oppressive kind that starve people.

317 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:37:13pm

re: #307 tradewind

You could stick ' post ' in there too.
(voice of experience here).

I won't dick around with Bierce's words.

318 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:37:32pm

re: #313 brookly red

blockades cost money...

That reminds me. Time to donate to MEMRI.

319 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:37:37pm

re: #251 Charles

Sharia's gonna jump out of the bushes and gitcha.

Is she hot?

320 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:37:38pm

re: #315 b_sharp

You are a smart person.

*smooch*

321 ~Fianna  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:38:08pm

re: #282 b_sharp

Claiming board certification gives credibility and increases trust. Making up your own board to get certification makes that credibility and trust no more than lies.

I think there are more important things to make the voters aware of than whether or not he wants to join a voluntary organization. He didn't want to play by the Board's rules, so he took his ball and went home. Is it stupid, yes. Does it matter in the grand scheme of things, not really.

I'm more worried about the fact that he's flogging extreme-right-wing horses like the OMG scary trans-continental highway of doom and North American currency nonsense. Those are serious policy issues that shouldn't be allowed anywhere near congress.

322 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:38:33pm

re: #319 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Is she hot?

I jumped for Joy once. Her husband didn't like it.

323 brookly red  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:39:13pm

re: #316 cliffster

especially the oppressive kind that starve people.

damn straight... now taking out those Iranian bastiches is gonna set us back a few shekels. But it will be worth it.

324 OldnGrumpy  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:39:40pm

re: #319 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Is she hot?

Send her my way,as of today I'm single again,divorce finalized.

Wait,will she be wearing a burkha?

325 b_snark  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:39:42pm

re: #320 MandyManners

*smooch*

Hey, not in front of the kids. ;)

326 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:39:54pm

Curtain Call

(*top of my voice*)

HOW DO YOU SOLVE A PROBLEM LIKE SHARIA!!!
HOW DO YOU HOLD A (crescent) MOONBEAM IN YOOOUR HAAAAND!

327 brookly red  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:40:20pm

re: #319 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Is she hot?

like boiling oil...

328 cliffster  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:40:24pm

re: #324 OldnGrumpy

Send her my way,as of today I'm single again,divorce finalized.

Wait,will she be wearing a burkha?

Really? Wow, man

329 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:40:46pm

re: #324 OldnGrumpy

A burkha's got a hatch you know...

330 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:41:32pm

Repeat post... for those who missed the cuteness... my one-eye husky is afraid of thunderstorms, and today we had them off and on all day, so he stayed on our bed in the bedroom most of the day, with the 3 month year old kitten... he shouldn't be on the bed period... but... I got this picture today between him trying to hide under the covers...

Image: wolfie_tiki.jpg

331 OldnGrumpy  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:41:34pm

re: #329 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

A burkha's got a hatch you know...

So does a submarine..doesn't mean I want to date one.

332 brookly red  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:42:02pm

re: #329 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

A burkha's got a hatch you know...

you are married no?

333 b_snark  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:42:59pm

re: #321 ~Fianna

I think there are more important things to make the voters aware of than whether or not he wants to join a voluntary organization. He didn't want to play by the Board's rules, so he took his ball and went home. Is it stupid, yes. Does it matter in the grand scheme of things, not really.

I'm more worried about the fact that he's flogging extreme-right-wing horses like the OMG scary trans-continental highway of doom and North American currency nonsense. Those are serious policy issues that shouldn't be allowed anywhere near congress.

That he is manipulative enough to put up his own board isn't a main point and wasn't suggested as such, but it does reflect on his honesty which is a point that should be taken seriously, along with the extreme fright-wing stuff he spouts.

It's another straw for the proverbial camel.

334 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:43:03pm

re: #192 brookly red

that is so bullshit I can no longer converse with you.

You really have not demonstrated that you know enough (read: anything) about economics to say what is and is not bullshit on these matters.

335 ~Fianna  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:44:08pm

re: #310 jaunte

If the same company(ies) are operating without accident elsewhere in the world, it may be a regulatory problem.

I wouldn't doubt that in the least. The coverage of what was going on at MMA is disgusting.

It absolutely seems (again, if how the consumer-media outlets are covering it) that this was a cost-calculation that bit BP in the hindquarters.

I will never, ever understand how people think that industry self-regulation can make that case in their head. Anyone who understands anything about 19th century history knows that government regulation of industry, while certainly not a panacea, is far better for consumers, workers and the environment than if we left the "invisible hand" alone to do it.

336 brookly red  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:44:16pm

re: #331 OldnGrumpy

So does a submarine..doesn't mean I want to date one.

flood the forward tube & stand by...

337 Bear  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:44:20pm

OT Gov. Jindal orders Nat. Guard to build barrier wall. [Link: www.abcnews.go.com...]

338 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:44:49pm

re: #337 Bear

OT Gov. Jindal orders Nat. Guard to build barrier wall. [Link: www.abcnews.go.com...]

Good on him.

339 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:44:51pm

re: #263 Cato the Elder
Depends on the jurisdiction. Not necessarily. There are degrees and variations of recognizance, ( some only for probate, for example) and actually, most states don't recognize them at all.
[Link: www.ncsl.org...]

340 Bagua  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:45:06pm

re: #310 jaunte

If the same company(ies) are operating without accident elsewhere in the world, it may be a regulatory problem.

The problem being the regulator relies on industry to advise them on best practices and condition of their equipment. The regulator then keeps track, checking off the boxes. Now they are considering doing things like actual testing to certify the BOPs and proving the equipment is fit for purpose. This can't be done because of the state of things.

So they either agree to upgrade things through stages and hope for the best in the interim, or they shut a good part of it down. How does any President do the right things with those choices?

341 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:45:08pm

re: #330 Walter L. Newton

From the mountain lair of the Center for the Study of Animal Adorableness.

342 Kragarghazi  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:45:35pm

re: #336 brookly red

flood the forward tube & stand by...

Thats what she said!

343 austin_blue  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:45:36pm

re: #302 ~Fianna

You had me up til here, and even with this, I'm only going to quibble slightly. It's not even a matter of the assets. It's a matter of "responding effectively" - it doesn't seem like there's been a lot of thought put in to response - effective or not - to a blow-out of this magnitude.

Please correct me if I'm wrong on this, because other than what I've read here, I've only been following consumer-media coverage of this issue, but BP's problem in capping this well isn't an asset issue, it's a lack of planning and engineering issue.

The problem is that BP stated in its application to the MMS that it had the assets available to handle a 100,000 bbl/day blowout. That was obviously a flat out lie. This is probably a a 50-65,000 bbl/day blowout and they are obviously incapable of stopping it until the offset relief wells are capable of a bottom kill.

The whole regulatory environment of "we'll just trust these guys to do the right thing because it is in their best economic interest to do so" has been shattered. The paradigm is obviously flawed. Time to get some teeth into regulatory oversight.

344 brookly red  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:45:39pm

re: #337 Bear

OT Gov. Jindal orders Nat. Guard to build barrier wall. [Link: www.abcnews.go.com...]

slap! slap! slap! bring on 2012!

345 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:45:54pm

re: #273 Charles

It's not easy being constantly doomed.

You're really funny tonight!
The haha kind.

346 Racer X  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:46:06pm

re: #337 Bear

OT Gov. Jindal orders Nat. Guard to build barrier wall. [Link: www.abcnews.go.com...]

Linky no worky

347 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:46:31pm

re: #270 Boogberg

Yeah that's right. Black people used to be property too.

Construction began on the Supreme Court Building in 1932, so the Muhammed image post dates slavery by more than half a century. CAIR, for religious reasons, would like to see it scraped off, just like your religiously intolerant reasoning. What both you and CAIR share is an overt disdain for the Constitution.

348 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:47:27pm

re: #341 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

From the mountain lair of the Center for the Study of Animal Adorableness.

The kitten discovered raindrop yesterday... bouncing off the sliding doors on the back porch... he's inside... jumping at the glass, bouncing off it... pawing the glass... and there was big wet "splatting" snow flakes mixed into the rain... and they would splat on the glass and he would jump straight up like a grasshopper...

349 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:47:46pm

re: #346 Racer X

Linky no worky

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

350 jaunte  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:47:48pm

re: #340 Bagua

Now they are considering doing things like actual testing to certify the BOPs and proving the equipment is fit for purpose.


Do you know if this is standard practice in the North Sea (Norway / UK)? Maybe we should ask for some help in setting new regulatory standards.

351 b_snark  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:47:48pm

re: #337 Bear

OT Gov. Jindal orders Nat. Guard to build barrier wall. [Link: www.abcnews.go.com...]

To keep people from rescuing wildlife?

Sounds like a bit of sweeping the dirt under the rug. (But I may be wrong).

352 brookly red  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:48:20pm

re: #334 WindUpBird

You really have not demonstrated that you know enough (read: anything) about economics to say what is and is not bullshit on these matters.

actually you have demonstrated enough partisan disregard for economics for me to continue to ignore you. And really it is a pleasure.

353 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:48:45pm

re: #273 Charles

It's not easy being constantly doomed.

I'll pray for you.
/Sarcastic athiest

354 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:49:12pm

re: #298 talon_262

What in the hell was that?

355 ~Fianna  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:49:35pm

re: #333 b_sharp

That he is manipulative enough to put up his own board isn't a main point and wasn't suggested as such, but it does reflect on his honesty which is a point that should be taken seriously, along with the extreme fright-wing stuff he spouts.

It's another straw for the proverbial camel.

I'm not sure it was a matter of being manipulating, though.

What worries me about things like this is it looks desperate and can weaken other attacks. It's not an issue of law or morality or fitness to serve. He disagreed with the decision made by the Board, withdrew his membership and founded a competing organization. None of that is particularly "manipulating" - it's just business. Making a mountain out of this molehill could make voters in KY wonder if other (real and much more worrisome) criticisms of Paul are equally inflated.

356 Kragarghazi  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:50:07pm

re: #273 Charles

It's not easy being constantly doomed.

I'm gonna sing the Doom Song now!

357 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:50:09pm

re: #340 Bagua
I like the idea that I heard on Morning Joe .... let's throw this thing open to Exxon, Mobil, and every other company with any interest in drilling and tell them ' Go down there and fix this thing, and the first one who does gets BP's slots.... and all the oil from the recovery '.
Bet they'd manage to work it out in no time.

358 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:50:26pm

re: #348 Walter L. Newton

I did tell you that the Meteor was a smash hit with my friend, right?

If not? The meteor was a smash hit with my friend. Thanks.

359 cliffster  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:50:57pm

can we ban The Bachelorette at the same time we're banning sharia law?

360 b_snark  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:51:04pm

re: #353 Killgore Trout

I'll pray for you.
/Sarcastic athiest

Excuse me, but we don't say that. We say, I'll prey on you.

Remember the babies.

361 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:51:28pm

re: #326 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Curtain Call

(*top of my voice*)

HOW DO YOU SOLVE A PROBLEM LIKE SHARIA!!!
HOW DO YOU HOLD A (crescent) MOONBEAM IN YOOOUR HAAAND!

Excellent.

My Sharia.


362 Racer X  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:51:39pm

Japanese space probe returns to Earth

After landing on a freaking ASTEROID and collecting samples.

Wow!

I'm impress.

363 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:51:48pm

re: #359 cliffster

And the Bachelor. Let's be sensitive to the dudes too.

364 brookly red  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:52:03pm

re: #357 tradewind

I like the idea that I heard on Morning Joe ... let's throw this thing open to Exxon, Mobil, and every other company with any interest in drilling and tell them ' Go down there and fix this thing, and the first one who does gets BP's slots... and all the oil from the recovery '.
Bet they'd manage to work it out in no time.

ooops morning Joe? gee you must be like conservative or something.

365 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:52:06pm

re: #330 Walter L. Newton

Repeat post... for those who missed the cuteness... my one-eye husky is afraid of thunderstorms, and today we had them off and on all day, so he stayed on our bed in the bedroom most of the day, with the 3 month year old kitten... he shouldn't be on the bed period... but... I got this picture today between him trying to hide under the covers...

Image: wolfie_tiki.jpg

He likes his pus oh never mind.

366 Kragarghazi  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:52:09pm

re: #359 cliffster

can we ban The Bachelorette at the same time we're banning sharia law?

All reality based TV is against God's way.

367 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:53:10pm

re: #366 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

All reality based TV is against God's way.

The one with Howie Mandel and the hot chicks was OK for a minute.

368 Racer X  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:53:43pm
369 Bear  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:53:54pm

re: #346 Racer X

Just too mold to know hoe to correctly give link I guess.
Try this. [Link: www.abcnews.go.com...]

370 ~Fianna  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:54:05pm

re: #343 austin_blue

The problem is that BP stated in its application to the MMS that it had the assets available to handle a 100,000 bbl/day blowout. That was obviously a flat out lie. This is probably a a 50-65,000 bbl/day blowout and they are obviously incapable of stopping it until the offset relief wells are capable of a bottom kill.

The whole regulatory environment of "we'll just trust these guys to do the right thing because it is in their best economic interest to do so" has been shattered. The paradigm is obviously flawed. Time to get some teeth into regulatory oversight.

Yes. I'd love to see what kind of disaster response/risk mitigation plans they were forced to file. I have a feeling that they're about 2 pages long and that I probably could have written it, which is disturbing.

The repercussions of this disaster are going to be felt for at least a decade both on an environmental and a human level, and it's imperative that there be a long "lessons learned" process that we actually follow through on to make sure that we understand exactly what went wrong, who was responsible and how we can close gaps in the future so that one guy who is looking to make a good impression on his boss can't make a unilateral decision that costs 13 lives and billions of dollars in damages.

371 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:54:08pm

re: #326 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
My Sharia.. more?
One of the worst. songs. evah.

372 Kragarghazi  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:54:16pm

re: #367 Cannadian Club Akbar

The one with Howie Mandel and the hot chicks was OK for a minute.

Everyone can stand against the large evils, but its the little evils which bring you down.

373 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:54:39pm

re: #362 Racer X

Japanese space probe returns to Earth


[Video]After landing on a freaking ASTEROID and collecting samples.

Wow!

I'm impress.

There's a great B&W monster movie in there.

374 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:55:05pm

re: #364 brookly red
Yeah, it's a regular right-wing love fest./

375 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:55:15pm

re: #372 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Everyone can stand against the large evils, but its the little evils which bring you down.

But, the girls were hot.
/I get your point now...

376 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:56:02pm

re: #372 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
And the evil knievels that crack you up.

377 cliffster  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:56:12pm

re: #368 Racer X

More from National Geographic:

Video: Hayabusa Spacecraft's Fiery Return From Asteroid

awesome

378 b_snark  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:56:18pm

re: #355 ~Fianna

I'm not sure it was a matter of being manipulating, though.

What worries me about things like this is it looks desperate and can weaken other attacks. It's not an issue of law or morality or fitness to serve. He disagreed with the decision made by the Board, withdrew his membership and founded a competing organization. None of that is particularly "manipulating" - it's just business. Making a mountain out of this molehill could make voters in KY wonder if other (real and much more worrisome) criticisms of Paul are equally inflated.

As you say, there is always a danger in overplaying a point. The best thing would be to mention it without any implication of impropriety and let the voters decide if it is important. Sometimes what is said but left unexplained can have quite an impact.

379 freetoken  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:56:25pm

It should be noted that Rand's father is a member of AAPS, whose executive director Jane Orient is a member of Art Robinson's Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, rather than be associated with the AMA.

So son follows father here.

Oh look, who is the AAPS promoting on their "Why Join AAPS" page? It's Rand Paul talking with "the Judge":
[Link: www.aapsonline.org...]

Here is the vid:

So yes, the son has followed the father into the AAPS.

380 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:56:52pm

So... decided to have an adult beverage. Went this little Restaurant/Bar near the hotel (I'm in Philly for a couple of weeks). Sat down beside an older gentleman... said, "How you doin?"

He said, (I'm quoting) "Well, this MFn' bar is the only GD place that I get to f'n relax, so right now? I'm pretty f'n good."

He didn't use any initials either. Now; I'm hard to shock, and can swear in with the best of them. But Geez!

Kind of caught me off guard.

(*Singing again*)
Philadelphia freedom! Shine on Me! I love ya! Shine the light!

381 cliffster  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:57:41pm

re: #380 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

that's some brotherly love.

382 ~Fianna  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:58:01pm

re: #378 b_sharp

As you say, there is always a danger in overplaying a point. The best thing would be to mention it without any implication of impropriety and let the voters decide if it is important. Sometimes what is said but left unexplained can have quite an impact.

Yes. Absolutely.

383 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:58:01pm

re: #380 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So... decided to have an adult beverage. Went this little Restaurant/Bar near the hotel (I'm in Philly for a couple of weeks). Sat down beside an older gentleman... said, "How you doin?"

He said, (I'm quoting) "Well, this MFn' bar is the only GD place that I get to f'n relax, so right now? I'm pretty f'n good."

He didn't use any initials either. Now; I'm hard to shock, and can swear in with the best of them. But Geez!

Kind of caught me off guard.

(*Singing again*)
Philadelphia freedom! Shine on Me! I love ya! Shine the light!

Fucking A right.

384 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:58:28pm

re: #380 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
That sounds suspiciously like the Fridays' just down the street from the Crowne Plaza./

385 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:58:48pm

re: #380 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So... decided to have an adult beverage. Went this little Restaurant/Bar near the hotel (I'm in Philly for a couple of weeks). Sat down beside an older gentleman... said, "How you doin?"

He said, (I'm quoting) "Well, this MFn' bar is the only GD place that I get to f'n relax, so right now? I'm pretty f'n good."

He didn't use any initials either. Now; I'm hard to shock, and can swear in with the best of them. But Geez!

Kind of caught me off guard.

(*Singing again*)
Philadelphia freedom! Shine on Me! I love ya! Shine the light!

He had a bad afternoon. Some punk college kids kept sticking cameras in his face.

386 Bagua  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:58:54pm

re: #350 jaunte

Do you know if this is standard practice in the North Sea (Norway / UK)? Maybe we should ask for some help in setting new regulatory standards.

Turns out better in many ways. The MMS was asleep at the wheel. But some of the problems, like with the BOPs are widespread. No one can prove hey work, its like mysticism. And no one can prove they can hold pressure, they can't be tested without possibly destroying most of them, it is a mess.

One choice is safety and economic devastation. The other is a reform in stages, and take our chances in the meantime. Either way it is not an easy choice.

387 austin_blue  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:58:54pm

re: #340 Bagua

The problem being the regulator relies on industry to advise them on best practices and condition of their equipment. The regulator then keeps track, checking off the boxes. Now they are considering doing things like actual testing to certify the BOPs and proving the equipment is fit for purpose. This can't be done because of the state of things.

So they either agree to upgrade things through stages and hope for the best in the interim, or they shut a good part of it down. How does any President do the right things with those choices?

More to the point, forget any individual occupant of the Executive branch. It comes down to an effective civil service structure, regardless of the party in power, that provides a seamless oversight capacity that does its best to prevent these situations from happening and if they do, ensuring that that the response by the Responsible Party is appropriate and effective to the release.

sadly, that will require a complete overhaul of the MMS and the rules under which it operates. And *that* means that the Legislative Branch will have to pass new Laws under which the MMS will be required to perform regulatory oversight. Which means the Senate and Congress will have to ignore Big Oil's influence in Washington.

Anybody want to make book on that happening?

388 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:58:56pm

re: #351 b_sharp

To keep people from rescuing wildlife?

Sounds like a bit of sweeping the dirt under the rug. (But I may be wrong).

eh?

To keep more oil from reaching the coast.

389 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:59:17pm

re: #359 cliffster

can we ban The Bachelorette at the same time we're banning sharia law?

Gah!
Yes, please please please please!

390 b_snark  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 7:59:41pm

re: #356 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm gonna sing the Doom Song now!


[Video]

You're doomed!

391 Racer X  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:00:04pm

Use Mississippi River to stop the oil

Many people know that the Mississippi River flows through the Crescent City, New Orleans, Louisiana; but fewer are aware that this is only one of two paths it takes to the Gulf. The Mississippi divides to create its delta upstream of Baton Rouge at a place called Old River.

The Atchafalaya River is the western channel. In 1963, the Corps built a dam with sluice gates at Old River between the Mississippi and Atchafalaya to keep the shorter Atchafalaya route from "capturing" the whole river. Later, they built more structures to gain better control.

Today, every drop of water that goes down either the Mississippi or the Atchafalaya marches to the orders of the U.S. Army, which traditionally seeks to maintain a constant 70-to-30 percent split -- with the larger amount going to the main-stem Mississippi -- between the two river branches, by adjusting the gates at Old River on a daily basis.

The Corps has the opportunity to sustain discharge on the main stem of the river by altering that rigid 70-30 ratio to, say, send 80 percent past New Orleans. If ever there were a time to switch off "autopilot" and utilize the power of one of our country's most powerful natural forces, it is now.

392 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:00:29pm

re: #388 reine.de.tout

eh?

To keep more oil from reaching the coast.

I don't think people actually understand. ( Not a hit on b_sharp)

393 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:00:49pm

re: #384 tradewind

That sounds suspiciously like the Fridays' just down the street from the Crowne Plaza./

Coaches... near the airport...

394 b_snark  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:00:50pm

re: #358 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I did tell you that the Meteor was a smash hit with my friend, right?

If not? The meteor was a smash hit with my friend. Thanks.

I'm so sorry to hear that. Was he hurt badly?

395 austin_blue  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:01:23pm

re: #370 ~Fianna

Yes. I'd love to see what kind of disaster response/risk mitigation plans they were forced to file. I have a feeling that they're about 2 pages long and that I probably could have written it, which is disturbing.

The repercussions of this disaster are going to be felt for at least a decade both on an environmental and a human level, and it's imperative that there be a long "lessons learned" process that we actually follow through on to make sure that we understand exactly what went wrong, who was responsible and how we can close gaps in the future so that one guy who is looking to make a good impression on his boss can't make a unilateral decision that costs 13 lives and billions of dollars in damages.

Ding ding ding!

396 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:01:26pm

re: #330 Walter L. Newton

Repeat post... for those who missed the cuteness... my one-eye husky is afraid of thunderstorms, and today we had them off and on all day, so he stayed on our bed in the bedroom most of the day, with the 3 month year old kitten... he shouldn't be on the bed period... but... I got this picture today between him trying to hide under the covers...

Image: wolfie_tiki.jpg

Proof that cats and dogs can get along.

397 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:01:27pm

Sharia, sharia baby
Sharia, sharia baby
Sha-a-a-a-a-a-ria bay-yay-by, sharia baby
Sha-a-ria won't you come out tonight

398 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:01:37pm

re: #347 goddamnedfrank

Construction began on the Supreme Court Building in 1932, so the Muhammed image post dates slavery by more than half a century. CAIR, for religious reasons, would like to see it scraped off, just like your religiously intolerant reasoning. What both you and CAIR share is an overt disdain for the Constitution.

Wow. 1932. Lots of racial tolerance back then.

399 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:01:45pm

re: #394 b_sharp

To quote my new friend at the bar...

"Hardy fuckin' har har."

400 b_snark  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:02:40pm

re: #357 tradewind

I like the idea that I heard on Morning Joe ... let's throw this thing open to Exxon, Mobil, and every other company with any interest in drilling and tell them ' Go down there and fix this thing, and the first one who does gets BP's slots... and all the oil from the recovery '.
Bet they'd manage to work it out in no time.

That's a helluva good idea.

401 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:03:03pm

re: #380 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So... decided to have an adult beverage. Went this little Restaurant/Bar near the hotel (I'm in Philly for a couple of weeks). Sat down beside an older gentleman... said, "How you doin?"

He said, (I'm quoting) "Well, this MFn' bar is the only GD place that I get to f'n relax, so right now? I'm pretty f'n good."

He didn't use any initials either. Now; I'm hard to shock, and can swear in with the best of them. But Geez!

Kind of caught me off guard.

(*Singing again*)
Philadelphia freedom! Shine on Me! I love ya! Shine the light!

Didn't shine for you last week. The Blackhawks won the Stanley Cup in Philadelphia. [snicker]

402 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:03:29pm

re: #401 Dark_Falcon

Didn't shine for you last week. The Blackhawks won the Stanley Cup in Philadelphia. [snicker]

Fucking A right!!!

403 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:03:46pm

re: #340 Bagua

The problem being the regulator relies on industry to advise them on best practices and condition of their equipment. The regulator then keeps track, checking off the boxes. Now they are considering doing things like actual testing to certify the BOPs and proving the equipment is fit for purpose. This can't be done because of the state of things.

So they either agree to upgrade things through stages and hope for the best in the interim, or they shut a good part of it down. How does any President do the right things with those choices?

Excellent!

And regarding that bolded part - exactly. One of the reasons I do not want to get into a discussion about anybody's motives. The decisions here are hard ones to make; I'm just not sure the President is getting the best possible information and advice.

404 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:03:51pm

re: #361 MandyManners
Oh wow..... do you even remember how much flak Dubya caught for having that on his Ipod?

405 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:04:53pm

re: #398 Boogberg

Wow. 1932. Lots of racial tolerance back then.

The only thing tolerance, racial or otherwise, has to do with the Supreme Court frieze is your need to deflect away from your clear and obvious hatred of Muslims.

406 brookly red  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:05:21pm

re: #374 tradewind

Yeah, it's a regular right-wing love fest./

I heard that they sometimes talk about (looks over both shoulders) you know... (looks nervously about) the economy...

Not that anything is wrong with it or anything and Obama is doing a great job despite the 20 million plus slackers that won't find jobs... you know as well as I do all these people declaring bankruptcy & defaulting on their mortgages are just wingnuts trying to discredit Obama cause they are like racists or something. Wow can you imagine making your kids sleep in a car just to discredit a president... It is sick I tell yah!

407 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:05:32pm

re: #400 b_sharp
Just toss in a little capitalist incentive and stand back./

408 ~Fianna  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:05:37pm

re: #395 austin_blue

Ding ding ding!

Oh, here's a question that I'd love to have answered. If you've already talked about it here, let me know and I'll search for it so that you don't have to repeat yourself, but is there any evidence either way on long-term effects from the dispersant?

409 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:05:45pm

Hey... Rightwingconspirator... I see you are signed on... if you are monitoring... I think you have my email address... if you want... can you send me some mailing address... I want to send Dragon Lady something as a gift...

Ok... this evenings self serving picture of some of the jewelry work I did today... dedicated to RWC and Dragon Lady...

Left to right...

Leopard Skin Jasper, Andamooka Matrix Opal, Parrot Wing Agate and Morceni Mine Turquoise...

Image: 06142010_34_chokers.jpg

By the way Rightwingconspirator... do you have pics of you work somewhere?

410 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:06:04pm

re: #357 tradewind

I like the idea that I heard on Morning Joe ... let's throw this thing open to Exxon, Mobil, and every other company with any interest in drilling and tell them ' Go down there and fix this thing, and the first one who does gets BP's slots... and all the oil from the recovery '.
Bet they'd manage to work it out in no time.

I suspect all those companies are working on this thing.
But you'll never hear it.
This is BP's problem, and nobody else wants any part of it.

411 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:06:40pm

Dumb question... What's happening to the beaches in Mexico? Anybody know? Cancun?

412 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:07:12pm

re: #401 Dark_Falcon

I don't live here! Well, I'm alive and I'm here. So I guess I do live here.

413 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:07:17pm

re: #406 brookly red
Bless his heart, he had so much manure in the stall to clean out before he could even see the top of the pony's head.
Or make that the tip of the unicorn's horn.

414 brookly red  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:07:24pm

re: #411 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Dumb question... What's happening to the beaches in Mexico? Anybody know? Cancun?

nothing.. the flow is north.

415 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:07:35pm

re: #411 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Dumb question... What's happening to the beaches in Mexico? Anybody know? Cancun?

People get shot there. Go to an all inclusive. And wear that hot thong you bought.
/

416 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:07:40pm

re: #409 Walter L. Newton

Hey... Rightwingconspirator... I see you are signed on... if you are monitoring... I think you have my email address... if you want... can you send me some mailing address... I want to send Dragon Lady something as a gift...

Ok... this evenings self serving picture of some of the jewelry work I did today... dedicated to RWC and Dragon Lady...

Left to right...

Leopard Skin Jasper, Andamooka Matrix Opal, Parrot Wing Agate and Morceni Mine Turquoise...

Image: 06142010_34_chokers.jpg

By the way Rightwingconspirator... do you have pics of you work somewhere?

Beautiful pieces, Walter!

417 jaunte  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:07:47pm

re: #411 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The currents will probably sweep the gunk down around the tip of Florida.
Cancun is pretty far west.

418 freetoken  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:08:16pm

re: #409 Walter L. Newton

They look good, Walter; especially the trapezoidal piece which I found fetching.

419 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:08:43pm

re: #410 reine.de.tout
I suspect you're probably right.
Interesting to hear Bloomberg take up for Tony Hayward, wasn't it?

420 Kragarghazi  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:09:48pm

My god, why did no one think of this earlier;

Rowan Atkinson is Doctor Who.

421 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:10:22pm

Stewart's on, doing the "Who are you?" 'Nite all.

422 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:10:38pm

re: #409 Walter L. Newton
Those are lovely.

423 b_snark  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:10:40pm

re: #386 Bagua

Turns out better in many ways. The MMS was asleep at the wheel. But some of the problems, like with the BOPs are widespread. No one can prove hey work, its like mysticism. And no one can prove they can hold pressure, they can't be tested without possibly destroying most of them, it is a mess.

One choice is safety and economic devastation. The other is a reform in stages, and take our chances in the meantime. Either way it is not an easy choice.

Sounds like the MMS has always been asleep. Perhaps it's time to adopt Canuck or European style regulatory organizations? Or would that be too left?

424 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:10:55pm

re: #413 tradewind

Bless his heart, he had so much manure in the stall to clean out before he could even see the top of the pony's head.
Or make that the tip of the unicorn's horn.

Yes, it's all the Evil Bush's fault. And it won't stop being Bush's fault till the problems go away. So sayeth Nancy Pelosi.

425 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:10:55pm

re: #392 Cannadian Club Akbar

I don't think people actually understand. ( Not a hit on b_sharp)

Seriously?
Tell me you're joking.

426 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:11:12pm

re: #415 Cannadian Club Akbar

People get shot there. Go to an all inclusive. And wear that hot thong you bought.
/

I totally rocked out an all inclusive. Back when I was somebody.

Gonna get some rest.

And don't drive like my brother.

427 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:11:26pm

re: #419 tradewind

I suspect you're probably right.
Interesting to hear Bloomberg take up for Tony Hayward, wasn't it?

Didn't hear that.

428 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:12:22pm

re: #418 freetoken

They look good, Walter; especially the trapezoidal piece which I found fetching.

That is Andamooka Matrix Opal (Australia)... it's a soft off white limestone which has had opal seeped into it's pores... you can't even see the opal in it's normal state... miners take the stuff... cook it in nitrate acid and sugar, which blackens the limestone... in turn, making a solid dark background that shows the opal... then it's polished and the color comes out even more...

429 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:12:27pm

re: #425 reine.de.tout

Seriously?
Tell me you're joking.

Rephrase. I don't think people see the big picture. I'm actually considering moving to a place where it snows.

430 austin_blue  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:12:33pm

re: #408 ~Fianna

Oh, here's a question that I'd love to have answered. If you've already talked about it here, let me know and I'll search for it so that you don't have to repeat yourself, but is there any evidence either way on long-term effects from the dispersant?

It's an environmental wacko sideshow, as far as I'm concerned (oh, and I'm a Life Member of the Sierra Club). The best dispersant in the world is Dawn dishwashing liquid. The stuff is dynamite. A million gallons of whatever they are using as a dispersant over 50 days in a blowout that is pumping out 2 million gallons *a day* of crude is insignificant. It's another reason that I loathe extremists of any stripe. They are counter-productive to getting things fixed.

431 Racer X  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:13:20pm

I'm not so sure Jindal's idea of building a barrier 9 miles out at sea is a good one. There may be long term effects. Couldn't they string an oil boom from island to island? Seems better than dumping tons of sand to make a permanent barrier.

432 cliffster  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:13:26pm

re: #430 austin_blue

surfactant.

433 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:13:33pm

re: #405 goddamnedfrank

The only thing tolerance, racial or otherwise, has to do with the Supreme Court frieze is your need to deflect away from your clear and obvious hatred of Muslims.

That is a goddam lie, sir. I don't hate Muslims. I hate Islamists. Big difference. Don't let that stop you from distorting and being a complete fucking liar.

434 Ben G. Hazi  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:13:37pm

re: #354 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What in the hell was that?

It was a play on (what turned out to be) sandbox's last post...sorry if I wasn't clear. I didn't quote it because I didn't want to feed the troll/jerk...

435 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:13:48pm

re: #408 ~Fianna
The nightmare: We find out a year from now that it rots the coral reefs from within. Or something.

436 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:15:55pm

re: #404 tradewind

Oh wow... do you even remember how much flak Dubya caught for having that on his Ipod?

What?

437 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:16:02pm

re: #424 Dark_Falcon
She may not be saying-eth anything much after November, (pboh).*
* polls being ominous hah

438 ~Fianna  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:16:40pm

re: #430 austin_blue

It's an environmental wacko sideshow, as far as I'm concerned (oh, and I'm a Life Member of the Sierra Club). The best dispersant in the world is Dawn dishwashing liquid. The stuff is dynamite. A million gallons of whatever they are using as a dispersant over 50 days in a blowout that is pumping out 2 million gallons *a day* of crude is insignificant. It's another reason that I loathe extremists of any stripe. They are counter-productive to getting things fixed.

That's why I asked. Although, and this might be a really stupid question, is it better to have the oil concentrated in one place rather than spread out over a wider area? That might show my utter ignorance about both chemistry and about oil eradication, but my first thought would be that thicker and more concentrated is easier to track and remove.

Of course, on the flip side, thicker and more concentrated coats birds and fish and also increases the density of the toxins.

Thank you for sharing your knowledge on this and also for answering specific, hopefully not too silly and ignorant, questions.

439 cliffster  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:16:41pm

re: #435 tradewind

The nightmare: We find out a year from now that it rots the coral reefs from within. Or something.

Or what it if makes your hands velvety soft?

440 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:16:45pm

re: #436 MandyManners
The press made a big deal out of ' My Sharona' on Bush's Ipod, ..... all those raunchy lyrics, don't cha know.

441 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:17:18pm

re: #434 talon_262

It was a play on (what turned out to be) sandbox's last post...sorry if I wasn't clear. I didn't quote it because I didn't want to feed the troll/jerk...

The Stalkers are in their normal dither over his dismissal. Nothing of great note, just the usual Charles Hate. They, of course, think that sandbox was correct in what he said so Muslim Hate is also on tap over there, as is ODS.

442 Bagua  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:17:35pm

re: #387 austin_blue

They can’t really prove that the BOPs could sheer the drill strings used ten years ago when they were made. Now that the pipes are stronger, there is new doubt on the old uncertainty. But they pretty much accept that they won’t work if they happen to hit a tool joint, as may be the case with MC252. The only real solution is to add another set of sheer rams at least 14” away, no problem. Except they will have to replace the bulk of the land and shallow water rigs as there is no room below the drill floor.

443 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:17:37pm

re: #439 cliffster
You mean after the epidermis is peeled away/.

444 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:18:00pm

re: #437 tradewind

She may not be saying-eth anything much after November, (pboh).*
* polls being ominous hah

MUWAHAHAHA!

445 cliffster  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:18:03pm

Hey, looks like the Big 12 will live on.

446 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:18:23pm

re: #431 Racer X

I'm not so sure Jindal's idea of building a barrier 9 miles out at sea is a good one. There may be long term effects. Couldn't they string an oil boom from island to island? Seems better than dumping tons of sand to make a permanent barrier.

Here's what's happening:

Governor Jindal said, “Today, we saw the National Guard’s sandbagging operations at Pelican and Scofield Islands. They are currently using eight helicopters to finish filling in the gaps in the islands there. These sandbags will compliment our dredging/sand booming activities in these areas.

“Weeks ago when we realized that the supply of boom was not predictable or dependable enough to count on, we asked the Coastal Protection and Restoration Authority and the National Guard to identify locations where gaps in barrier islands could be immediately filled with sand. We are at war and we need to fight this oil on the sand – well before it ever gets into our marshes and interior wetlands. The Coastal Protection and Restoration Authority and the National Guard together identified 40 total areas that could be immediately filled with sand.

“At Pelican and Scofield islands, the National Guard is working on a total of 14 gaps. The 8 gaps on Pelican Island are complete – with a total of 3,300 sandbags dropped. Today, we saw the ongoing operations on nearby Scofield Island – which has received a total of more than 3,180 sandbags to date in the six gaps there.

“Also in Plaquemines Parish today, the National Guard is continuing to emplace small sandbags in six locations to reinforce the retention levee that stretches from Myrtle Grove and La Reussite. Two of the 6 sites were completed yesterday.”


DREDGING UPDATE
The monitoring report that had to be done as part of the state’s dredging/sand booming work was approved by the Army Corps of Engineers yesterday. On the Northern Chandeleurs (Section E4) the Cutterhead Dredge California is on schedule to begin pumping sand there over the weekend. The required pre-construction field surveys, including island surveys and wildlife observation are currently underway for segments E4 and W9, which is around Pelican Island.

The submerged pipeline is being established from Hewes Point – which is the sand source for the Northern Chandeleurs work – to the sand placement area in the Chandeleurs.

Governor Jindal said, “Last week, we started moving forward on our own to begin work on the six approved segments of our 24-segment dredging/sand booming plan to protect our coast. We activated a contract for this work with Shaw and Bean Dredging and we are working to move a total of six dredges into place to get this work done.”

447 ~Fianna  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:18:44pm

re: #435 tradewind

The nightmare: We find out a year from now that it rots the coral reefs from within. Or something.

Hopefully that's up there with the flaming hurricane fear.

Although I'm worried about the possible trajectory of Atlantic Invest 92, to be honest.

448 Racer X  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:19:44pm

Israel denounces Castro "swastika" remarks

Israel denounced comments on Monday by former Cuban president Fidel Castro, who compared the Israeli treatment of Palestinians to the Nazi extermination of Jews, an example of heated rhetoric at a U.N. body's debate.

Castro's remarks were issued by Cuba's diplomatic mission in Geneva amid debate in the 47-nation United Nations Human Rights Council on Israeli action in the occupied territories.

"The hatred felt by the state of Israel against the Palestinians is such that they would not hesitate to send the one and a half million men, women and children of that country to the crematoria where millions of Jews of all ages were exterminated by the Nazis," the ex-Cuban leader said.

"It would seem that the Fuehrer's (Nazi leader Adolf Hitler's) swastika is today Israel's banner," the 83-year-old Castro declared in the latest of a series of articles dubbed "reflections" in the communist-ruled island's media.

449 austin_blue  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:19:49pm

re: #432 cliffster

surfactant.

Yes. That is the correct technical term. I'm also interested in why they haven't introduced petrophage bacteria into the stream. We have some kick-ass oil-eaters usable in fresh water (like Micro-Blaze- the stuff is Killer Bee), but I have no knowledge of saltwater bugs that are similar.

Anyone have any info?

450 brookly red  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:20:51pm

re: #424 Dark_Falcon

Yes, it's all the Evil Bush's fault. And it won't stop being Bush's fault till the problems go away. So sayeth Nancy Pelosi.

that is all I can deal with... let me go offer tidings to the Dominican Inquisition.

be well, be well,,,

451 austin_blue  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:21:02pm

re: #431 Racer X

I'm not so sure Jindal's idea of building a barrier 9 miles out at sea is a good one. There may be long term effects. Couldn't they string an oil boom from island to island? Seems better than dumping tons of sand to make a permanent barrier.

Booms are useless in any kind of slop. They work well inshore where there is no wave action.

452 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:21:16pm

re: #440 tradewind

The press made a big deal out of ' My Sharona' on Bush's Ipod, ... all those raunchy lyrics, don't cha know.

I completely missed that.

453 Racer X  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:21:40pm

re: #446 reine.de.tout

I'm hoping that filling in the gaps in the barrier islands don't lead to other environmental issues long term.

454 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:21:41pm

re: #427 reine.de.tout
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
The conspiracy theorists are already beating the tom-toms about dividends, etc.

455 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:22:18pm

re: #448 Racer X

Israel denounces Castro "swastika" remarks

Israel denounced comments on Monday by former Cuban president Fidel Castro, who compared the Israeli treatment of Palestinians to the Nazi extermination of Jews, an example of heated rhetoric at a U.N. body's debate.

Castro's remarks were issued by Cuba's diplomatic mission in Geneva amid debate in the 47-nation United Nations Human Rights Council on Israeli action in the occupied territories.

"The hatred felt by the state of Israel against the Palestinians is such that they would not hesitate to send the one and a half million men, women and children of that country to the crematoria where millions of Jews of all ages were exterminated by the Nazis," the ex-Cuban leader said.

"It would seem that the Fuehrer's (Nazi leader Adolf Hitler's) swastika is today Israel's banner," the 83-year-old Castro declared in the latest of a series of articles dubbed "reflections" in the communist-ruled island's media.

Fidel can go fuck himself with a lit cigar.

456 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:22:25pm

Sharia!
OK just banned a law named Sharia
And suddenly that law
Will never never seem as raw
To me.
Sharia!
OK just dissed a law named Sharia,
And suddenly we've see'd
How wonderful a creed
Can be!
Sharia!
Say it loud and women suffer flaying,
Say it soft and it's almost like praying.
Sharia!

457 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:22:49pm

re: #449 austin_blue
Please don't say ' petrophage bacteria ' in my hearing....
That investment only cost me thousands in the nineties./

458 jaunte  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:23:04pm

re: #449 austin_blue

Yes. That is the correct technical term. I'm also interested in why they haven't introduced petrophage bacteria into the stream. We have some kick-ass oil-eaters usable in fresh water (like Micro-Blaze- the stuff is Killer Bee), but I have no knowledge of saltwater bugs that are similar.


The volume required may be the main problem.

459 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:23:08pm

re: #449 austin_blue

Yes. That is the correct technical term. I'm also interested in why they haven't introduced petrophage bacteria into the stream. We have some kick-ass oil-eaters usable in fresh water (like Micro-Blaze- the stuff is Killer Bee), but I have no knowledge of saltwater bugs that are similar.

Anyone have any info?

BP claims they are looking at all "methods" and "suggestions".

I think BP is full of crap.
I don't think we've got the full story.

I have to wonder why they didn't go ahead and put another BOP on top of the one out there, as I heard was being considered, instead of doing a procedure requiring a ship to be there, which will have to get out of the way if there's a storm (leaving ALL the oil to spew again into the water).

460 Racer X  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:23:14pm

re: #455 Dark_Falcon

Fidel can go fuck himself with a lit cigar.

Up-fucking-ding.

461 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:24:04pm

re: #448 Racer X

Fidel is still alive?

462 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:24:40pm

re: #455 Dark_Falcon

Fidel can go fuck himself with a lit cigar.

Not an approved cure for hemmorhoids.

463 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:24:41pm

re: #461 MandyManners

Fidel is still alive?

Weekend at Bernies.

464 jaunte  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:24:46pm

re: #461 MandyManners

Not after that cigar.

465 Renaissance_Man  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:24:47pm

re: #267 ~Fianna

Just to be clear, not being board-certified doesn't make him either a bad doctor or doing something illegal.

He's a nut, but being board-certified isn't a requirement to practice. He is a real doctor and a state-licensed ophthalmologist.

This, to me, is something of a nontroversy, honestly.

The Courier Journal article suggests that in an interview, he claimed to be board-certified in both boards, the actual one and his own made up one. It doesn't necessarily say anything about his medical skills, but claiming a qualification that is not so is generally at least grounds to raise an eyebrow.

466 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:24:57pm

re: #453 Racer X

I'm hoping that filling in the gaps in the barrier islands don't lead to other environmental issues long term.

The plans have been reviewed and approved by the appropriate people

Now, I agree with you we don't always know the long-term effects of things.

However, those islands used to be much bigger than they are - they've been eroding and washing away at an alarming rate for several decades now.
So building the gaps could essentially be simply rebuilding what used to be there.

467 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:25:49pm

re: #458 jaunte

The volume required may be the main problem.

You're probably correct.

468 b_snark  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:25:50pm

re: #388 reine.de.tout

eh?

To keep more oil from reaching the coast.

I understood that it is intended to keep the beaches pristine. I was just being my usual smart-ass self. However, it could have other consequences such as making it more difficult to deal with stressed wildlife or changing migratory patterns of organisms used for food by us or animals we use for food.

Just suggesting a bit of thought go into it.

469 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:26:00pm

re: #448 Racer X

Have I missed Chavez spouting off?

470 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:26:50pm

re: #463 Cannadian Club Akbar

Weekend at Bernies.

Oh, the incident with the stapler and the hair-piece!

471 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:27:13pm

re: #464 jaunte

Not after that cigar.

*boom*

472 jaunte  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:27:36pm

re: #467 reine.de.tout

Unless someone has thousands of barrels of the stuff ready to go.

473 ~Fianna  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:27:38pm

re: #465 Renaissance_Man

The Courier Journal article suggests that in an interview, he claimed to be board-certified in both boards, the actual one and his own made up one. It doesn't necessarily say anything about his medical skills, but claiming a qualification that is not so is generally at least grounds to raise an eyebrow.

My understanding was that he was certified by the real board but gave that membership up because he disagreed with the fact that they grandfathered in a bunch of people when they changed their re-certification rules. Haven't read the interview (or heard his actual answer) so not sure if he wasn't clear or if the reporter misunderstood or over-simplified or if he out and out lied. I think there's probably an equal chance of any of the above, honestly.

474 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:27:50pm

If Fidel died he could still give a 3 hour speech.

475 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:28:11pm

re: #454 tradewind

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
The conspiracy theorists are already beating the tom-toms about dividends, etc.

Wow.
This is just weird:

Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg defended the executive, Tony Hayward, on Friday, saying the public should not rush to fault the company’s leaders for the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico
476 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:28:33pm

How many "right" wing nations and organizations have come down on Israel?

How many Lefties and Progs have?

477 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:28:55pm

re: #474 Cannadian Club Akbar

If Fidel died he could still give a 3 hour speech.

Viagra after death?

478 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:29:02pm

re: #447 ~Fianna
It looks like it'll get nuked between there and here before it can really turn into much.
* she said hopefully*
Although the prediction boys are pinning their hopes on a monster hurricane season, yet again. Hope they are wrong, yet again.

479 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:29:13pm

re: #474 Cannadian Club Akbar

If Fidel died he could still give a 3 hour speech.

Funny, I'm having a Cuban samich tonight. Heh.

480 ~Fianna  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:30:10pm

re: #475 reine.de.tout

The executives create the culture. The culture creates people thinking that they're going to be rewarded for taking shortcuts.

They're absolutely responsible. That's part of leadership, corporate or otherwise, you get to reap the credit and the rewards when things are okie-dokie and you eat more than your share of the blame when things aren't.

At least, that's my management style. If my team fucks something up, it's ultimately my fault.

481 b_snark  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:30:30pm

re: #407 tradewind

Just toss in a little capitalist incentive and stand back./

If you know how to direct greed, it can do a lot of good.

482 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:30:33pm

I need a song that is too loud. I'm angry. The people next door will have to deal with it. They blast their shit too.

483 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:31:07pm

re: #474 Cannadian Club Akbar

If Fidel died he could still give a 3 hour speech.

Yeah, but 3 hours of "Grrr! Arrrgh!" would get old really fast.

484 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:31:41pm

re: #477 MandyManners

Viagra after death?

Dead head.

/in bed.

485 ~Fianna  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:31:51pm

re: #478 tradewind

It looks like it'll get nuked between there and here before it can really turn into much.
* she said hopefully*
Although the prediction boys are pinning their hopes on a monster hurricane season, yet again. Hope they are wrong, yet again.

It does also look like the forecast has shifted the path north. This morning when I looked at the models, it looked like it was headed south of Cuba straight in to the Gulf. Now most models have it moving over Cuba and probably up the east coast of Florida.

[Link: www.wunderground.com...]

486 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:32:01pm

re: #482 Boogberg

I need a song that is too loud. I'm angry. The people next door will have to deal with it. They blast their shit too.

487 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:32:17pm

re: #480 ~Fianna

The executives create the culture. The culture creates people thinking that they're going to be rewarded for taking shortcuts.

They're absolutely responsible. That's part of leadership, corporate or otherwise, you get to reap the credit and the rewards when things are okie-dokie and you eat more than your share of the blame when things aren't.

At least, that's my management style. If my team fucks something up, it's ultimately my fault.

Well, exactly.
That's why I thought Bloomberg's statement was so weird.
Hayward is CEO - he absolutely is responsible! Plus, he doesn't help himself when he (and other BP execs) make really stupid statements.

488 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:32:23pm

re: #484 Dark_Falcon

Dead head.

/in bed.

You're just sick.

489 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:32:36pm

re: #433 Boogberg

That is a goddam lie, sir. I don't hate Muslims. I hate Islamists. Big difference.

Right, you don't hate Muslims so much that you're willing to specifically single out their religion in the law for special disregard.

490 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:32:51pm

re: #475 reine.de.tout
Well, he has a point in that Hayward didn't sit around and say ' gee , wonder how can I get Deepwater Horizon to blow ', which is almost the noise you hear from some quarters. But some people are saying that Bloomberg is just trying to cushion the market for BP. I don't know. Maybe they're friends./

491 austin_blue  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:33:16pm

re: #438 ~Fianna

That's why I asked. Although, and this might be a really stupid question, is it better to have the oil concentrated in one place rather than spread out over a wider area? That might show my utter ignorance about both chemistry and about oil eradication, but my first thought would be that thicker and more concentrated is easier to track and remove.

Of course, on the flip side, thicker and more concentrated coats birds and fish and also increases the density of the toxins.

Thank you for sharing your knowledge on this and also for answering specific, hopefully not too silly and ignorant, questions.

There is no such thing as a stupid question! It would obviously be better if they had sufficient resources to collect the oil at the surface, but the addition of the surfactants at depth has kept a large percentage of the oil from surfacing. In addition, subsea flows have resulted in the oil that does reach the surface doing so in a pattern that cannot be easily corralled.

492 ~Fianna  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:33:17pm

re: #487 reine.de.tout

Well, exactly.
That's why I thought Bloomberg's statement was so weird.
Hayward is CEO - he absolutely is responsible! Plus, he doesn't help himself when he (and other BP execs) make really stupid statements.

*nod* Hayward's handling of this has been miserable. The I'm Sorry commercial just ticked me off even more. Stop making a damn commercial and mange the company, for crying out loud.

493 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:33:32pm

re: #476 MandyManners

Mandy, I saw just a minute or so ago, your post earlier about your mom.
Sorry you're having such a rough time; I know how it is.
Prayers for you and your mom.

494 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:33:56pm

re: #465 Renaissance_Man
As if we didn't have both of them arched to the max already.

495 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:34:14pm

re: #482 Boogberg

I need a song that is too loud. I'm angry. The people next door will have to deal with it. They blast their shit too.

You call this a room?


496 cliffster  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:34:18pm

re: #487 reine.de.tout

Well, exactly.
That's why I thought Bloomberg's statement was so weird.
Hayward is CEO - he absolutely is responsible! Plus, he doesn't help himself when he (and other BP execs) make really stupid statements.

He just wants his life back.

497 freetoken  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:34:37pm

re: #447 ~Fianna

Hopefully that's up there with the flaming hurricane fear.

Although I'm worried about the possible trajectory of Atlantic Invest 92, to be honest.

92L will be destroyed by shear, no?

498 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:34:50pm

re: #496 cliffster

He just wants his life back.

oh, ARGH!
&*^%%%$^%^**&^*&**!!!

499 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:34:52pm

re: #493 reine.de.tout
I haven't seen it yet. Same for me Mandy...

500 jaunte  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:34:55pm

re: #492 ~Fianna

Yes, I'd prefer not to see him looking serious and listing the assets thrown against the damage (30 planes, really!) every morning as the spill continues.

501 b_snark  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:35:18pm

re: #409 Walter L. Newton

Hey... Rightwingconspirator... I see you are signed on... if you are monitoring... I think you have my email address... if you want... can you send me some mailing address... I want to send Dragon Lady something as a gift...

Ok... this evenings self serving picture of some of the jewelry work I did today... dedicated to RWC and Dragon Lady...

Left to right...

Leopard Skin Jasper, Andamooka Matrix Opal, Parrot Wing Agate and Morceni Mine Turquoise...

Image: 06142010_34_chokers.jpg

By the way Rightwingconspirator... do you have pics of you work somewhere?

Walter, my wife really liked the pendants, and she's a tough sell. She's been making beaded necklaces and earrings for 15 years.

502 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:35:19pm

re: #493 reine.de.tout

Mandy, I saw just a minute or so ago, your post earlier about your mom.
Sorry you're having such a rough time; I know how it is.
Prayers for you and your mom.

Thank you, Reine. It's a repeat of last summer. But, she's gonna' die this tiem.

503 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:35:36pm

re: #499 tradewind

I haven't seen it yet. Same for me Mandy...

Check top 10

504 cliffster  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:35:58pm

On that note, I'm off to dreamworld. Peace and purpose to all you jokers.

505 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:36:10pm

re: #502 MandyManners

Thank you, Reine. It's a repeat of last summer. But, she's gonna' die this tiem.

{Mandy}
I still miss my Mom. A lot.

506 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:36:23pm

re: #496 cliffster

He just wants his life back.

One of the worst foot-in-mouth quotes in the history of humanity.

507 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:36:29pm

re: #485 ~Fianna
Just keep it away from LA.
Watched the finale of Treme last night, and ended up bummed all over again.

508 ~Fianna  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:37:03pm

re: #491 austin_blue

There is no such thing as a stupid question! It would obviously be better if they had sufficient resources to collect the oil at the surface, but the addition of the surfactants at depth has kept a large percentage of the oil from surfacing. In addition, subsea flows have resulted in the oil that does reach the surface doing so in a pattern that cannot be easily corralled.

Chemistry is the one area of science that I never really revisited after my tortured slog through the basics in 10th grade - which is funny, since it's the one that most people really have to grasp in their daily life.

And now, however, I need to deal with biology. Sad doggy eyes are sad.

509 cliffster  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:37:05pm

re: #504 cliffster

oh - but before I go.. Mandy you have my prayers too.

510 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:37:12pm

re: #502 MandyManners
Mandy, big hug, and prayers.

Outta here ya'll.

511 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:37:18pm

I'm out as well. Nighty.

512 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:37:28pm

re: #505 reine.de.tout

{Mandy}
I still miss my Mom. A lot.

(((Mandy)))

513 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:37:33pm

g'night all.
Cats are howling for - something, gotta go check it out.

514 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:37:57pm

re: #510 tradewind

Mandy, big hug, and prayers.

Outta here ya'll.

Thank you!

Sweet dreams.

515 ~Fianna  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:38:02pm

re: #497 freetoken

92L will be destroyed by shear, no?

It doesn't need to actually build up to full TD or TS strength to make a bad situation worse.

516 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:38:14pm

re: #511 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm out as well. Nighty.

Sweet dreams!

517 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:38:58pm

re: #505 reine.de.tout

{Mandy}
I still miss my Mom. A lot.

(((Reine)))

518 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:39:19pm

re: #512 MandyManners

Man, I suck.

519 freetoken  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:39:29pm

re: #420 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bwwaaa... The Master with "Dalek bumps"!

520 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:40:30pm

re: #486 Cannadian Club Akbar

[Video]

That was delicious. Thank you sir. :)

521 jaunte  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:40:41pm

re: #518 MandyManners

Man, I suck.

(((Mandy)))

No, you don't.

522 austin_blue  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:42:29pm

re: #459 reine.de.tout

BP claims they are looking at all "methods" and "suggestions".

I think BP is full of crap.
I don't think we've got the full story.

I have to wonder why they didn't go ahead and put another BOP on top of the one out there, as I heard was being considered, instead of doing a procedure requiring a ship to be there, which will have to get out of the way if there's a storm (leaving ALL the oil to spew again into the water).

I think that BP has known from about Day 7 that the only way they were going to kill this blowout was with the relief wells and that everything they have been doing is eyewash. They claim they collected 15,000 bbls yesterday, but the downhole pictures show a huge plume escaping from the "Top Hat". It may be catching one third of the flow, or less.

Believe me, Reine, if they could put another BOP with a blind ram on top of the existing stack, they would have by now. There are obviously significant reasons why BP believes it would be ineffective.

523 tradewind  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:42:44pm

re: #518 MandyManners
Per Reine, went to the top ten to check before signing off.. God bless both of you, I am so sorry.

Also, saw Cato's post re Haku..... hope he's all fine and dandy now, Cato. Get him checked out if you still worry.

524 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:42:56pm

re: #518 MandyManners

Man, I suck.

We all think we suck. Welcome to the guilt trip.

525 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:42:56pm

re: #521 jaunte

No, you don't.

Thank you! I appreciate it, jaunte.

526 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:44:14pm

re: #523 tradewind

Per Reine, went to the top ten to check before signing off.. God bless both of you, I am so sorry.

Also, saw Cato's post re Haku... hope he's all fine and dandy now, Cato. Get him checked out if you still worry.


I hope Haku is gonna' be okay.

527 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:44:46pm

re: #409 Walter L. Newton

Just got back, stepped away for a bit. Sure I'll be in touch, and thanks much!
Now my career work is harder to show as my best work is precious metallurgy, and jewelers exploit certain properties to advance what they do. Now I'm far from the first but I'm proud of a purple gold I worked up... That matrix opal is my favorite, D_L likes the Morceni. My photography you have seen I think. I clicked show email box.

528 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:44:48pm

re: #524 Spare O'Lake

We all think we suck. Welcome to the guilt trip.

Is it anything like the acid trip?

529 b_snark  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:45:24pm

re: #496 cliffster

He just wants his life back.

Poor baby.

Somebody change his fucking diapers.

530 TheMatrix31  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:46:47pm

Just saw your post, Mandy. Very sorry to hear---my absolute best wishes to you, your Mom and your family.

531 abolitionist  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:46:49pm

Oklahoma is poised to become the first state in the nation to ban state judges from relying on Islamic law known as Sharia when deciding cases.

In my opinion, this statement echos and re-enforces the anti-establishment clause of the First Amendment. As to the Oklahoma law itself, I've not read it. The book on which sharia law is based, I've read that. Then I burned it, as it calls for my death upon receiving an invitation to islam and subsequently rejecting it.

Jefferson read that book for insight to the Barbary pirates problem. I read it for insight as to why the brother of a christian classmate I dated in HS would phone me and threaten death to me and my entire family, in 1964, if I persisted in trying to date, talk to, or otherwise commumicate with my GF without first converting --to his religion, not hers.

So it became clear that the brother was just "freely practicing his religion."

532 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:47:28pm

re: #529 b_sharp

Poor baby.

Somebody change his fucking diapers.

Boot him out.

533 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:47:45pm

re: #477 MandyManners

Viagra after death?

Vigor Mortis?!

534 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:48:12pm

re: #530 TheMatrix31

Just saw your post, Mandy. Very sorry to hear---my absolute best wishes to you, your Mom and your family.

Thank you, Matrix.

How are you doing lately? I rarely see you here.

536 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:49:20pm

re: #528 MandyManners

Is it anything like the acid trip?

No it isn't. There's nothing psychedelic about it. It's the trip that just keeps on sucking.

537 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:49:29pm

You want to know what really blows?

Having a prescription for some really powerful pain meds, and all it does is relieve the pain.

538 b_snark  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:49:44pm

re: #502 MandyManners

Thank you, Reine. It's a repeat of last summer. But, she's gonna' die this tiem.

I'm so sorry Mandy. I wish I could say something more.

I do know how you are feeling.

539 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:49:52pm

re: #495 MandyManners

You call this a room?

[Video]

Oh yeah baby! I just cranked 700 watts. :D

It's ok 'caus I pay the light bill. :)

540 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:51:53pm

re: #533 Rightwingconspirator

Vigor Mortis?!

Any kin to Viggo Mortensen?

541 b_snark  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:52:00pm

re: #518 MandyManners

Man, I suck.

No, you don't.

((Mandy))

542 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:52:18pm

re: #533 Rightwingconspirator

Vigor Mortis?!

LOL!

544 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:53:24pm

re: #536 Spare O'Lake

No it isn't. There's nothing psychedelic about it. It's the trip that just keeps on sucking.

Well, I know how to get off that bus.

545 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:53:30pm

re: #540 MandyManners

Any kin to Viggo Mortensen?

No, but we can have Viggo gift-wrapped and sent to you. With Viagra so you don't have to wait after unwrapping!

/kidding

546 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:53:54pm

re: #537 Alouette

You want to know what really blows?

Having a prescription for some really powerful pain meds, and all it does is relieve the pain.

No sleepy-time effect?

547 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:54:45pm

re: #538 b_sharp

I'm so sorry Mandy. I wish I could say something more.

I do know how you are feeling.

You do? Please, tell me. I don't know what to feel.

Seriously, thank you, b_sharp.

548 Ojoe  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:54:45pm

re: #543 MandyManners

Love to you

The lights are for you tonight

549 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:55:15pm

re: #516 MandyManners

Kindest regards, Miss Mandy.
{{mandy}}

550 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:55:16pm

re: #539 Boogberg

Oh yeah baby! I just cranked 700 watts. :D

It's ok 'caus I pay the light bill. :)

Glad to help.

551 TheMatrix31  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:55:33pm

re: #534 MandyManners

I'm doing well, been busy with school and all that. I graduated yesterday actually, so it's a bit of summer for me before I start a job search. Thanks for asking :)

552 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:55:33pm

re: #546 MandyManners

No sleepy-time effect?

Sleep is easier without pain.

553 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:55:40pm

re: #544 MandyManners

Well, I know how to get off that bus.

That's what I wanted to hear. All in good time.
(((Mandy)))

554 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:56:00pm

re: #541 b_sharp

No, you don't.

((Mandy))

I have a quip about my X but I'll just drive on.

555 freetoken  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:56:41pm

re: #522 austin_blue

I've read some opinions, seemingly informed opinions, that the well structure itself is compromised and will continue to degrade, and that eventually oil and gas will come out below the cap, even from the sea floor where it was spudded. Don't know if this is true or not, but if anything like that happens then truly the relief wells are the only thing that can help.

556 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:57:39pm

re: #543 MandyManners

My stars! That almost blinded me.

Your stars? I thought they were mine.

(I know for a fact that Haku goes and plants our flag on their attendant flags when he's sleeping.)

557 Bagua  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:57:44pm

re: #459 reine.de.tout

BP claims they are looking at all "methods" and "suggestions".

I think BP is full of crap.
I don't think we've got the full story.

I have to wonder why they didn't go ahead and put another BOP on top of the one out there, as I heard was being considered, instead of doing a procedure requiring a ship to be there, which will have to get out of the way if there's a storm (leaving ALL the oil to spew again into the water).

They had prepped a second BOP that was being used on one of the two relief wells, and thus put the relief well on hold. They were planning to try to hot stab it after mud kill failed, but then abandoned the plan and restarted the relief well. My understanding is that there were enough worrying indications from the mud kill attempt to cause them to fear a much larger blow out. Thus the second BOP has been ruled out.

558 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:58:41pm

re: #545 Dark_Falcon

No, but we can have Viggo gift-wrapped and sent to you. With Viagra so you don't have to wait after unwrapping!

/kidding

KIDDING? I've not even kissed a man since 11/16/99.

Gosh. Goodness. Gracious. Oh, me. Oh, my.

Send him COD.

559 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:59:06pm

re: #556 Cato the Elder

ΠΙΜΦ: "their attendant planets"

560 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 8:59:25pm

re: #548 Ojoe

Love to you

The lights are for you tonight

I'm gonna' tear up soon.

561 Ojoe  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:00:07pm

re: #560 MandyManners

OK I'll stop

562 Bagua  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:00:15pm

re: #551 TheMatrix31

I'm doing well, been busy with school and all that. I graduated yesterday actually, so it's a bit of summer for me before I start a job search. Thanks for asking :)

Congratulations, well done!

563 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:00:26pm

re: #549 Floral Giraffe

Kindest regards, Miss Mandy.
{{mandy}}

Oh, thank you, FG.

Remember the link the other day that showed a giraffe out of the window of a jet?

564 freetoken  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:00:37pm

re: #557 Bagua

My understanding is that there were enough worrying indications from the mud kill attempt to cause them to fear a much larger blow out. Thus the second BOP has been ruled out.


This would go along with the claim that the well structure - the casing and cement between the walls - is degrading.

565 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:01:08pm

re: #551 TheMatrix31

I'm doing well, been busy with school and all that. I graduated yesterday actually, so it's a bit of summer for me before I start a job search. Thanks for asking :)

CONGRATULATIONS!!!

THE WORLD IS YOUR OYSTER!!!!

566 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:01:39pm

re: #502 MandyManners

Thank you, Reine. It's a repeat of last summer. But, she's gonna' die this time.

I'm sorry to hear that. I'll say a prayer for her, and please do ask Hoops to put her on the Prayer List.

567 b_snark  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:01:46pm

re: #547 MandyManners

You do? Please, tell me. I don't know what to feel.

Seriously, thank you, b_sharp.

After surviving breast cancer in '72, my mother died in '96 from cancer. From discovery to her death was just over three months. She was 59.

I went through every emotion possible, including being completely numb. The anticipation made it worse, not better. I didn't cry for 10 years or so, but I still cry every once in a while. It doesn't help that I lost a brother in 2001.

I'm not very good with people, but I'd hold your hand if I could.

568 TheMatrix31  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:02:03pm

re: #565 MandyManners

Thanks!

I could go for some Tabasco with that oyster.

569 Ojoe  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:02:15pm

Anyway my mom died in '07, I wish she had taken better care of herself but you could not tell her anything. We kids all tried. It was pretty hard to take.

BBL

570 austin_blue  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:02:35pm

And goodnight to all. There will be at least two pieces from my music festival that will soon show up on NPRs Performance Today. (It's why I have been out of the LGF loop for the last two weeks).

The Tchaik "Souvenir of Florence" and Ewazen's "Symphony in Brass" are locks.

571 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:02:36pm

re: #552 Alouette

Sleep is easier without pain.

True but, I like a pain-killer that induces sleep.

572 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:02:39pm

re: #557 Bagua

They had prepped a second BOP that was being used on one of the two relief wells, and thus put the relief well on hold. They were planning to try to hot stab it after mud kill failed, but then abandoned the plan and restarted the relief well. My understanding is that there were enough worrying indications from the mud kill attempt to cause them to fear a much larger blow out. Thus the second BOP has been ruled out.


Ah.
Thanks.

573 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:03:11pm

re: #551 TheMatrix31

I'm doing well, been busy with school and all that. I graduated yesterday actually, so it's a bit of summer for me before I start a job search. Thanks for asking :)

Congrats on graduating. I would, however, advise not to wait long at all before you look for a job. Times are tight enough that you need to start looking quickly.

574 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:03:18pm

re: #571 MandyManners

True but, I like a pain-killer that induces sleep.

Pain meds are for pain. Ambien is for sleep.

575 swamprat  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:03:48pm

re: #482 Boogberg

I need a song that is too loud. I'm angry. The people next door will have to deal with it. They blast their shit too.

Hendrix.
Star Spangled Banner.
Accept no substitutes

576 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:04:11pm

Good night, Lizards. Take care of yourselves and the ones in your life.

577 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:04:24pm

Ho hum. Life's a pip.

578 swamprat  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:05:12pm

re: #576 MandyManners

Good night, Lizards. Take care of yourselves and the ones in your life.

Good night mandy. I have walked that path and it is no picnic.

579 TheMatrix31  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:05:24pm

re: #573 Dark_Falcon

I'm looking on Craigslist and stuff. Nothing too spectacular. My goal is to leave the state and it seems impossible to find a job worthy enough to enable me to leave.

580 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:05:40pm

re: #576 MandyManners


Our best to you Mandy
Hugs!

581 Ojoe  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:05:44pm
582 TheMatrix31  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:05:45pm

re: #576 MandyManners

GN, Mandy. Take care please. We're all here for ya.

583 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:06:06pm

re: #574 Alouette

Pain meds are for pain. Ambien is for sleep.

Don't tell my metabolism. According to it, pain meds are for causing severe constipation and little else.

584 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:06:31pm

Walter I sent you that email. Are you at the keyboard?

585 b_snark  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:06:45pm

re: #583 Slumbering Behemoth

Don't tell my metabolism. According to it, pain meds are for causing severe constipation and little else.

TMI!

586 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:07:32pm

re: #568 TheMatrix31

Thanks!

I could go for some Tabasco with that oyster.

Can you get a gallon of that stuff? I love Tabasco. It would cost $700 in the grocery store.

587 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:08:02pm

re: #563 MandyManners

Oh, thank you, FG.

Remember the link the other day that showed a giraffe out of the window of a jet?

Wrenchwench found it & posted it.
Wasn't it cute?
It may yet become my avatar!
May you & your Mom& Dad find peace & joy.

588 TheMatrix31  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:09:27pm

re: #586 Boogberg

To be honest, Tabasco isn't my hot sauce of preference. I'll go with Frank's. As far as getting a gallon, well, anything's possible!

589 prairiefire  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:09:43pm

re: #576 MandyManners

Good night, Lizards. Take care of yourselves and the ones in your life.

Best wishes for strength in dealing with life's challenges, Mandy. I pray for the best for your mom, what ever that may be.

590 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:10:33pm

Out waltzing with the Holy Ghost
From the Bowery to the Barbary Coast.
The land I'm from you know I love the most.
Steady rollin', I keep goin'.
And ev'ry day is just another town
The more I search you know the less I've found.
Me, I'm a sucker, just a slave to sound.
Death's comin'
I'm still runnin'.
Well, I come from the old town, baby,
Where all the kids are crazy.
If I remain, then I'm to blame.
But if you should ever need me
I'll go where'er you lead me.
It's all the same
The same old game.

--Two Gallants

591 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:10:49pm

re: #579 TheMatrix31

I'm looking on Craigslist and stuff. Nothing too spectacular. My goal is to leave the state and it seems impossible to find a job worthy enough to enable me to leave.

I've tended to fine Career Builder the best job site, with Monster a close second. I have gotten jobs from both of them.

592 TheMatrix31  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:13:58pm

re: #562 Bagua

Thanks B! Much appreciated.

593 TheMatrix31  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:14:36pm

re: #591 Dark_Falcon

Guess I gotta figure out exactly what I wanna do first before looking.

594 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:14:59pm

re: #482 Boogberg

I need a song that is too loud. I'm angry. The people next door will have to deal with it. They blast their shit too.

This'll fuck them up:

595 Bagua  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:16:40pm

re: #555 freetoken

I've read some opinions, seemingly informed opinions, that the well structure itself is compromised and will continue to degrade, and that eventually oil and gas will come out below the cap, even from the sea floor where it was spudded. Don't know if this is true or not, but if anything like that happens then truly the relief wells are the only thing that can help.

Absolutely true. And this is why I'm skeptical that the first two relief wells will work. Apparently this well was not under control for months and they were losing circulation resulting unusually high mud bills. The relief wells will have the same problem, injecting into a leaky formation. This could lead to the relief well failing, or collapse of the formation right above the reservoir. Or it could result increasing the leak.

Next, there is some choking going on somewhere, this is likely some cement, or rock. This can erode with all the pressure and flow.

Then there is the danger of additional damage to the formation allowing the oil to find a path to the surface bypassing the well-head, a real wild well. I believe this is why they gave up on the mud kill so quickly and ruled out the second BOP. They don't think it would hold and are better off letting a reduced flow continue than risk a read free flow.

This was likely a really big find. Probably ten times what BP was letting out.

596 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:17:19pm

re: #593 TheMatrix31

Guess I gotta figure out exactly what I wanna do first before looking.

Understood. I wish luck in your search. If you need any help out Chicago way, I'll be happy to help.

597 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:17:49pm

This is just too cool.

[Link: www.newsweek.com...]

Click the link and go to the Newsweek website and press: up, up, down, down, left, right,
left, right, b, a, enter.

598 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:19:05pm

re: #476 MandyManners

How many "right" wing nations and organizations have come down on Israel?

How many Lefties and Progs have?

What's the definition of "right" as it applies to the middle east? Do you think Iran is left wing?

599 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:19:29pm

re: #523 tradewind

Per Reine, went to the top ten to check before signing off.. God bless both of you, I am so sorry.

Also, saw Cato's post re Haku... hope he's all fine and dandy now, Cato. Get him checked out if you still worry.

re: #526 MandyManners

I hope Haku is gonna' be okay.

Apparently, Haku's allergies are now pulmonary as well as dermal. Like mine. He just got a double dose of the mild steroid that keeps things under control.

It is awful to watch an animal suffer. He can't even complain the way I would...

600 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:20:15pm

re: #597 Oh no...Sand People!

This is just too cool.

[Link: www.newsweek.com...]

Click the link and go to the Newsweek website and press: up, up, down, down, left, right,
left, right, b, a, enter.

You get to a zombie attack page. Nice homage to the Contra Code. Are they saying the zombies were sent by Red Falcon?

601 freetoken  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:21:02pm

re: #595 Bagua


This was likely a really big find. Probably ten times what BP was letting out.


Maybe, but then again one suggestion is that the amount of natural gas, not oil, is much higher than originally thought. This is a concern with the Brazilian deep water find that go so many people hot and bothered a couple of years ago. It is even farther down, and in warmer rock, and most of the hydrocarbons could have been broken down into methane by now.

Anyway, the Macondo project looks like it could turn into a worst-case scenario. BP has to be worried whether the relief wells will be enough, or can be completed in time.

602 Racer X  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:22:36pm

Wicked crescent moon tonight.

Boogah boogah!

603 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:22:46pm

re: #352 brookly red

actually you have demonstrated enough partisan disregard for economics for me to continue to ignore you. And really it is a pleasure.

Saying it doesn't make it so. I've asked you innumerable times to demonstrate some understanding of economics, and you have yet to. You just go GRR Obama, each day, every day, and that's it. Most people with an understanding of economics would be happy to bust out the knowledge, especially if it were to make a dirty liburl look bad! :D

604 TheMatrix31  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:23:28pm

re: #596 Dark_Falcon

Thanks. I'm weighing options. I might just take a bit off and apply for business school. I already have a job that I've been at for years now as a manager. It's not exactly permanent or fulfilling, but just saying I've been a manager for five, six years now is good enough.

605 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:23:36pm

re: #602 Racer X

Wicked crescent moon tonight.

Boogah boogah!

OMG! THE MOOOSLIMS ARE ABOUT!!1

/Stalker Blog

606 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:24:20pm

Tonight's episode of the bachelorette has been exceedingly creepy. I can't even understand the dude who is singing...or even speaking, Kasey or whatever his name is. He is in full on creepy stalker mode..

607 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:24:21pm

re: #600 Dark_Falcon

I am reminded of the Onion's Our Dumb World book, which basically has a love letter to Contra and NES-era Konami games as its page for Nicaragua :D

608 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:24:39pm

Tea party or Jihad?
MacDill Air Force base shut down, two in custody (video)

Sadly, the question needs to be asked.

609 OldnGrumpy  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:25:09pm

Well
It's late and I'm too old and grumpy and cynical(Diogenes is my hero) to stay awake,but not too old to rock and roll....

g'nite Lizards.

610 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:25:29pm

re: #609 OldnGrumpy

Well
It's late and I'm too old and grumpy and cynical(Diogenes is my hero) to stay awake,but not too old to rock and roll...


[Video]

g'nite Lizards.

I concur..Night all.

611 TheMatrix31  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:26:16pm

Off to watch TV...later!

612 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:26:33pm

re: #594 WindUpBird

Awesome! I'm blowin' the dust off my stereo tonight. I'm on vacation. :D

613 freetoken  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:27:39pm

quake... sharp.... wowo]]]

614 freetoken  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:27:50pm

eeekkk

615 freetoken  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:28:32pm

... that increased the heart rate a bit...

still rollin... got to look this one up...

616 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:29:13pm

re: #615 freetoken

Got nothing in LA. You ok?

617 darthstar  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:29:20pm

re: #615 freetoken

... that increased the heart rate a bit...

still rollin... got to look this one up...


3.2 in Baja

618 Racer X  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:29:35pm

re: #608 Killgore Trout

Tea party or Jihad?
MacDill Air Force base shut down, two in custody (video)

Sadly, the question needs to be asked.

$5 on Jihad.

619 darthstar  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:30:54pm

re: #618 Racer X

$5 on Jihad.

$20 says it was nutters.

620 freetoken  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:31:05pm

re: #616 Rightwingconspirator

still rumbling...

3.2? Maybe if I were over the epicenter. Something doesn't seem right here.

621 darthstar  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:31:42pm

re: #620 freetoken

still rumbling...

3.2? Maybe if I were over the epicenter. Something doesn't seem right here.

Yep...and the 3.2 was a half-hour ago...nothing else reported since then.

622 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:31:46pm

re: #620 freetoken

looks like a 6 or so on the map. Big aftershock?

623 jaunte  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:32:00pm

re: #608 Killgore Trout

Tea party or Jihad?
MacDill Air Force base shut down, two in custody (video)

Sadly, the question needs to be asked.

"It is unclear whether it was a male and female or two males"
Some more questions need to be asked, apparently.

624 freetoken  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:32:02pm

5.9:

[Link: earthquake.usgs.gov...]

625 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:32:13pm

re: #585 b_sharp

Sorry. It's true, though. They do very little to the pain, give me no buzz what so ever, and plug up the works something fierce.

626 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:32:16pm

Here!

Just in...

627 Bagua  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:32:43pm

re: #601 freetoken

Maybe, but then again one suggestion is that the amount of natural gas, not oil, is much higher than originally thought. This is a concern with the Brazilian deep water find that go so many people hot and bothered a couple of years ago. It is even farther down, and in warmer rock, and most of the hydrocarbons could have been broken down into methane by now.

Anyway, the Macondo project looks like it could turn into a worst-case scenario. BP has to be worried whether the relief wells will be enough, or can be completed in time.

Oh no question, it is a high gas well , I believe it is about 1,700 to 1 and a deep reservoir like this is often over pressured. MC252 certainly was. This means that the rock is sealing in water not allowing it to escape, so the pressure is higher than it should be at that depth. This causes a large pressure gradient at the reservoir top and the dangerous kicks.

Rather than a nice even pressure gradient from the surface to the reservoir, there is a jump as you hit the water and gas trapped below the seal. (The gas sits on top of the oil and the oil floats on the water with gas also in solution.) Add to this the larger delta of the gas pressure gradient as it comes out of solution and Houston we have a problem.

628 darthstar  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:32:53pm

re: #624 freetoken

5.9:

[Link: earthquake.usgs.gov...]

Yep...NOW it's on the map...nice big red square you've got there...ride it, ride it hard!

629 freetoken  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:33:17pm

re: #622 Rightwingconspirator

We had two out in Borrego two nights ago, only 27 seconds apart. A 4.9 and a 4.3.

630 abolitionist  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:33:50pm
631 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:34:59pm

re: #629 freetoken

Fair warning for us up here I guess.

632 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:36:07pm

Makin' a beer run. What are ya'll drinkin'?

633 Racer X  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:36:08pm

Well, this is kinda cool.
Earth TV

634 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:36:40pm

re: #630 abolitionist

Man shot and killed after altercation at MacDill Air Force base (video)

Trying to force his way onto an Air Force Base? The only thing I can say to that is: Darwin Akbar! Even if he's not Muslim, its still a Darwin Award nomination.

635 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:36:57pm

re: #629 freetoken

We had two out in Borrego two nights ago, only 27 seconds apart. A 4.9 and a 4.3.

I like that we're having numerous "little" ones. Keeps the pressure from building up, as the plates shift. NOT looking forward to "the big one" when it happens. Urban LA is not the pace to be for "the big one".

636 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:36:58pm

re: #618 Racer X

I wouldn't wager either way. It's even money from my perspective. That a sad assessment of affairs.

637 Racer X  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:37:22pm
638 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:37:31pm

re: #636 Killgore Trout

How go the tadpoles, KT?

639 Racer X  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:37:42pm

re: #636 Killgore Trout

I wouldn't wager either way. It's even money from my perspective. That a sad assessment of affairs.

True.

640 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:37:45pm

re: #630 abolitionist

Man shot and killed after altercation at MacDill Air Force base (video)

Hmm, maybe a domestic situation.

641 Racer X  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:38:17pm

Hot tub is calling my name.

BBL

642 jaunte  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:38:19pm

re: #640 Killgore Trout

That's what it sounds like.

643 freetoken  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:38:48pm

re: #631 Rightwingconspirator

As you know, not all earthquakes are the same. Depth appears to matter quite a bit. This one had a definite sharp shock followed by rumbling.

Anyway, a bit of excitement on a Monday night. Probably bores others, but around here it seems there has been quite a bit of rumbling since the big one on Easter.

644 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:39:08pm

re: #638 Floral Giraffe

How go the tadpoles, KT?

I had a crow attack last week. I have maybe 10 or so tads left. Maybe enough to establish a sustainable colony but it'll be close.

645 darthstar  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:39:12pm

re: #632 Boogberg

Makin' a beer run. What are ya'll drinkin'?

I'm Irish...I'll drink whatever you're pouring.

646 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:42:09pm

re: #643 freetoken

A sharp shock usually denotes being close to the epicenter. That's the P wave as I recall. Those long s waves come after. I hope no one was hurt this time.

647 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:42:37pm

Minerals in Afghanistan worth $1 trillion, U.S. says

(CNN) -- U.S. military officials and geologists have determined that the mineral deposits in Afghanistan are worth nearly $1 trillion, the Pentagon said Monday.

Vast supplies of minerals such as iron, copper and gold, all with worldwide technological applications, are scattered over the country, according to the Defense Department.

But officials caution that they won't be easy to extricate and that it will take years to turn this newfound mineral wealth into actual revenue.

OMG!1 CNN IS ACTUALLY LEAKING PLOT DETAILS!!1 OBAMA IS GOING TO MINE AFGHAN GOLD TO DROP GOLD PRICES AND ROB REAL PATRIOTS OF THEIR SAVINGS!!!111 THIS CALLS FOR A TEA PARTY!!!11

/Alex Jones

648 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:43:16pm

re: #644 Killgore Trout

I had a crow attack last week. I have maybe 10 or so tads left. Maybe enough to establish a sustainable colony but it'll be close.

What kind of frogs will they grow up to be?

649 jaunte  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:43:24pm

re: #640 Killgore Trout

More from your Tampa link:
Fisherman catches live missile
When Salomon asked if he could keep a part of the missile as a souvenir he was told no. He was also advised not to pick up any more missiles.

650 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:43:49pm

re: #632 Boogberg
re: #643 freetoken

For me it's Sierra Nevada Glissade. For Freetoken maybe a shot of something strong. On me. Maybe Patron.

651 abolitionist  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:43:49pm

re: #634 Dark_Falcon

Trying to force his way onto an Air Force Base? The only thing I can say to that is: Darwin Akbar! Even if he's not Muslim, its still a Darwin Award nomination.

According to the video, an Army spokesman said the man killed was a "guest" at the Family Camp, which is located on the base, and was a veteran.

652 Macha  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:44:23pm

re: #613 freetoken

quake... sharp... wowo]]]


Good evening,

Yep, we felt it here. Looks like a 5.9 out in Ocotillo right near the border. There has been a swarm of them in the last couple of days out there. This is the first one we have felt.

653 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:45:52pm
654 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:46:48pm

re: #608 Killgore Trout

Tea party or Jihad?
MacDill Air Force base shut down, two in custody (video)

Sadly, the question needs to be asked.

Teahad?

655 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:47:36pm

By the way, as an aside, and without presuming upon your attention or otherwise asking you to step outside your bounds, may I recommend to Charles and the other numerous lovers here of the Muse Euterpe, with no warranty or guarantee, implied or explicit, the band

Two Gallants

?

They take their very name from a scurrilous story by James Joyce, and they rock the casbah.

After all, any musicions who have the stones to name a song "Threnody" in this day when all but the most unprepossessed Romans cry "graecum est, non legitur" when e'er an Attic word makes its unwonted appearance is to be applauded.

[Please forgive my discursive exegetical circumstantial digressive tone, but I am but recently embarked upon a course of reading both satirical and serious, though I venture to hope not dessicated, comprising the great mockers from Joyce back unto his antecedents, Sterne, Carlyle - he of Sartor Resartus - and forwards from Lucian, Cervantes, and the inestimable obscenities of Rabelais - with excursions into the works of Pynchon, Heller, De Lillo, Mencken, Swift, Chaplin, the Brothers Coen, Franklin, Pope, Shakespeare, Twain, Cooke, Zakani, and Colbert. It may take me a while to reemerge from this mania but I trust the result shall be better, more scathing original satire here on this esteemed board.]

At any rate, check out the music.

If you've got a throat
I've got a knife.

--Two Gallants

656 abolitionist  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:51:18pm

re: #630 abolitionist

Oops. The story I linked was from May 20 - different incident.

657 boxhead  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:52:45pm

re: #654 Slumbering Behemoth

Teahad?

..LOL beer on keyboard.... thank you very much

658 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:53:48pm

re: #654 Slumbering Behemoth

Teahad?

Herbal Akbar!

659 Reginald Perrin  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:54:05pm

re: #640 Killgore Trout

Hmm, maybe a domestic situation.

That link is from a different event that occurred May 20th.

660 jaunte  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:54:30pm

re: #655 Cato the Elder

By the way, as an aside, and without presuming upon your attention or otherwise asking you to step outside your bounds, may I recommend to Charles and the other numerous lovers here of the Muse Euterpe, with no warranty or guarantee, implied or explicit, the band

Two Gallants
At any rate, check out the music.

[Link: www.twogallants.com...]
If they read this, I hope they get their web designer to set their lyrics in caps and lower case instead of all caps.

661 abolitionist  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:55:30pm

re: #659 Reginald Perrin

Story from May 20. Incident occurred about 6pm, May 19.

662 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:56:15pm

re: #659 Reginald Perrin

*smack*
Runs, away.

663 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:57:37pm

re: #660 jaunte

[Link: www.twogallants.com...]
If they read this, I hope they get their web designer to set their lyrics in caps and lower case instead of all caps.

Thou dost prove and approve, O artist, the known fact that universal talent is a thing unknown in nature.

Try the music.

664 boxhead  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:58:20pm

re: #658 Dark_Falcon

Herbal Akbar!

How many lumps of sugar?

665 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:58:27pm

re: #662 Floral Giraffe

*smack*
Runs, away.

[Grabs FG, straps her to table, and hands Reggie the paddle]

666 Reginald Perrin  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 9:59:32pm

re: #662 Floral Giraffe

*smack*
Runs, away.

Runs away from what?
Certainly not from you,
I'd move as slow as necessary to let you catch me.

*wink*

667 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:00:26pm

re: #665 Dark_Falcon

re: #666 Reginald Perrin

Bats her eyelashes, s-l-o-w-l-y.

668 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:00:52pm

re: #665 Dark_Falcon

Off to sleep. Sorry to miss the fun but I have met or exceeded my fair share of fun for today.

669 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:02:24pm

re: #645 darthstar

I'm Irish...I'll drink whatever you're pouring.

I just bought a case of Busch. Let's just call it grog. :D

670 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:03:06pm

re: #666 Reginald Perrin

Mmmm.

671 jaunte  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:03:26pm

re: #663 Cato the Elder

Try the music.


Good stuff

672 Reginald Perrin  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:03:36pm

re: #665 Dark_Falcon

[Grabs FG, straps her to table, and hands Reggie the paddle]

You're going to have to handle this on your own tonight, I am out of here.
Goodnight all.

673 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:04:49pm

re: #665 Dark_Falcon

If this gon' be that kinda party... NSFW

674 OldnGrumpy  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:07:47pm

Can't sleep.....got the Midnight Blues

675 OldnGrumpy  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:10:26pm

..because divorce was finalized today but I've Still Got The Blues

676 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:11:42pm

re: #674 OldnGrumpy

Can't sleep...got the Midnight Blues


[Video]

You should hear it loud. :D

677 OldnGrumpy  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:13:12pm

re: #676 Boogberg

You should hear it loud. :D

I am

Gary Moore is one of my favorite blues guitarists and he's damned good.

678 boxhead  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:13:20pm

Wow.. all these sleepy lizards....

OK off topic... I just got my copy of Reality Bites 2. Very impressed with the span of cuisine. Cheers to the contributors.

Simple question.... heheh

where should I start? the Native American fry bread caught my interest right off the bat....

679 jaunte  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:16:16pm

re: #678 boxhead

It could be the only non-native American cookbook with four different tribal frybread recipes. Yet another reason to pick up a copy tonight....
[Link: lgfcookbook.blogspot.com...]

680 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:16:39pm

re: #677 OldnGrumpy

I am

Gary Moore is one of my favorite blues guitarists and he's damned good.

Damn good. :)

681 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:17:21pm

re: #671 jaunte

Good stuff

Some might call that unpatriotic.

I call it a kind of prophecy in the line of Dylan.

Here's the song I quoted above.

682 Bagua  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:18:01pm

Sloppy Drunk Blues


- Big Joe Williams
683 boxhead  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:18:41pm

re: #679 jaunte

It could be the only non-native American cookbook with four different tribal frybread recipes. Yet another reason to pick up a copy tonight...
[Link: lgfcookbook.blogspot.com...]

Four Nations listed, but 9 recipes!!!! Very cool.. One of my good friends is Navajo Apache. I would love to bust out some fry bread on him... :)

684 jaunte  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:19:05pm

re: #681 Cato the Elder

I'm constitutionally in favor of artists expressing their opinions.

685 OldnGrumpy  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:21:01pm

re: #680 Boogberg

Damn good. :)

Johnny Lang is very good too

How does that youmg dude know the blues so well

686 Boogberg  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:21:29pm

re: #675 OldnGrumpy

..because divorce was finalized today but I've Still Got The Blues


[Video]

All my relationships have failed. At least you managed to get married.

687 Jerk  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:21:55pm

If there are spuds amongst the lizards here, you should know that the new Devo album just dropped on iTunes. Their first in twenty years -- surprisingly topical/political and catchy as hell. Not affiliated with them, but if you want some good music, I have been listening it for the past week as they had a stream of it going at the Colbert Nation and I can absolutely recommend it.

Also, got my cookbook too! I was laughing at the Tesla conversation in the back. I will have to cook something soon :D

688 OldnGrumpy  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:23:03pm

re: #686 Boogberg

All my relationships have failed. At least you managed to get married.

20 years and four kids

689 jaunte  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:23:51pm

re: #687 Jerk

Updings will be given for all cookbook purchases. Pass it on...

690 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:25:36pm

re: #689 jaunte

Updings will be given for all cookbook purchases. Pass it on...

And, to MAJOR contributors...
+1
Your art is awesome!

691 Bagua  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:26:47pm

The DJ has moved upstairs...

692 jaunte  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:27:40pm

re: #690 Floral Giraffe

Thanks, it was a fun project. Have you spotted the lizardish Bruegel?

693 swamprat  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:30:39pm

re: #686 Boogberg


And all my dogs have died or are on their way. But for all, I still love. We touch and are touched. Nothing is forever. But everything "is", or, "has been".

or
will
be

694 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:38:43pm

re: #693 swamprat

And all my dogs have died or are on their way. But for all, I still love. We touch and are touched. Nothing is forever. But everything "is", or, "has been".

or
will
be

One French epithet for dogs is "bêtes de chagrin" - because they usually leave us before we can leave them.

Yet even in that they are our profound teachers. Avatars of absolute love and devotion, they are. And even in their passing they instruct us in our own deepest nature, end, and purpose.

695 boxhead  Mon, Jun 14, 2010 10:52:06pm

re: #683 boxhead

So my friend said that the Navajo 1 and old fashioned id pretty much what his grandma made for him... :)

Can't wait to try these out!

696 Boogberg  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 12:45:54am

re: #694 Cato the Elder

Damn dude. You got me a little choked up there. We love our dogs very much.

697 ClaudeMonet  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 12:53:16am

re: #120 windsagio

Hell, the US is a whole solar system in of itself.

The planets are (in no particular order)

New England, the Urban east, the Plains, the Old south, the Desert Southwest, and the West coast.

So the Industrial Midwest and the Rockies aren't planets anymore? Us and Pluto.

698 ClaudeMonet  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 12:59:07am

re: #122 HoosierHoops

Back from the Storm..Not to bad here...
Dear Lord Charles.. You know I'm transferring to OK this Summer...
I am so your reporter on the ground...This should be interesting..

My condolences. My 39 months of existing in OKC was the longest century of my life. Working only about a mile and a half from the Statehouse, I got to hear (and sometimes see) all the idiocy involved in the state government.

They walk slow there. They talk slow there (seriously, it's a tough adjustment). And Lordy, do they think slow there.

OTOH, there's Leo's Barbecue (If I remember the name correctly, it's been a long time) at East 36th and Kelly. To die for. Daytime only in that area.

699 ClaudeMonet  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 1:06:37am

re: #176 Bagua

That's only Louisiana. As I say, the full unemployment impact is between 100 and 200,000 jobs. The majority of which will be several years minimum in duration. I'm not counting the knock-on effects you mention.

Red states don't matter.

700 ClaudeMonet  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 1:10:32am

re: #221 Decatur Deb

I'm using reports of the EXXON cleanup as a baseline. I hope it's 2 yrs.

This is a lot bigger than one tanker's worth of oil.

701 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 1:27:07am

re: #700 ClaudeMonet

This is a lot bigger than one tanker's worth of oil.

At the Coast Guard's most recent estimate of 35K barrels per day Macondo is putting out one Valdez worth of oil every 7.14 days. Making it now on Day 58 over 8 times worse in terms of volume alone, and with no end in sight.

702 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 6:46:55am

re: #687 Jerk

I just got my latest. My dad loves to cook, so he gets a copy, and we will tackle a recipe or two at his place sometime.

703 ExCamelJockey  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 7:10:36am

re: #39 austin_blue

Texas will be next.

We're saved!

Texas already has Sharia law. It's accomplished using existing arbitration laws. This is the way that Sharia was introduced into New Jersey, Minnesota, etc.

Court endorsed Sharia judgement in Texas

704 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 7:16:42am

re: #78 tradewind

Sarcasm aside, this question will arise sooner or later when the first Muslim lawsuit to enforce some aspect of Sharia encroaches into our civil procedure and is not summarily tossed , and that is not such a stretch.
Not such an awful idea for some forethought, as long as it's constitutional, and doesn't get ridiculous or oppressive.
But then that would be Sharia.

I'd say socon morons are FAR more of a danger here than sharia.

705 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 8:35:53am

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

Sigh. Now I have to go watch them all again.

Just when I thought I'd broken my addiction.

706 truthin  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 9:56:09am

Oh this is horrible. I was soooo looking forward to Sharia law - here's my top 10 reasons why!
1. Islam commands that drinkers and gamblers should be whipped.
2. Islam allows husbands to hit their wives even if the husbands merely fear highhandedness in their wives
3. Islam allows an injured plaintiff to exact legal revenge—physical eye for physical eye.
4. Islam commands that a male and female thief must have a hand cut off.
5. Islam commands that highway robbers should be crucified or mutilated.
6. Islam commands that homosexuals must be executed
7. Islam orders unmarried fornicators to be whipped and adulterers to be stoned to death.
8. Islam orders death for Muslim and possible death for non—Muslim critics of Muhammad and the Quran and even sharia itself
9. Islam orders apostates to be killed.
10. Islam commands offensive and aggressive and unjust jihad.

...man. Now I'm bummed. Guess I'll have to go to Iran or Saudi Arabia for this kind of wonderful legal system. Even Canada outlawed it. crap.

707 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 9:59:07am

re: #706 truthin

And if you think sharia law is ever going to be accepted in America, you're hallucinating.

708 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 10:02:45am

re: #703 ExCamelJockey

Texas already has Sharia law. It's accomplished using existing arbitration laws. This is the way that Sharia was introduced into New Jersey, Minnesota, etc.

Court endorsed Sharia judgement in Texas

No, Texas does NOT have "sharia law." That court ruling doesn't say anything like what you pictured it as saying. The cases in question had written arbitration agreements which were ruled binding under existing Texas law. This has nothing to do with "sharia." It has to do with the legality of written arbitration agreements.

Good grief. Paranoia strikes deep.

709 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 10:06:29am

re: #706 truthin

Why is it that people who register usernames with the word "truth" in them are almost invariably giant flaming assholes?

710 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 11:22:15am

This would make a little more sense if they were consistent, for example making sure the "10 Commandments" (or at least what most goyim think are the 10 commendments) don't appear in courthouses, and stopping the oath on the Bible in courtrooms.

711 n2stox  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 12:35:20pm

why is it not within a state's rights forbid judges from relying on sharia and international laws as a basis for their decisions?

RB Ginsburg thinks we should use foreign laws, so we're already seeing an encroachment of what this Oklahoma law seeks to avoid.

Do we really want some judge in another part of the world having influence in this way?

Do we want some sharia courts interpretation of things to be precedent?

These folks (judges) play a lead role in shaping the law that binds people in this country.

So, is sharia knocking down the door? In some places (the UK) it appears to be, and would we have guessed that would happen years ago? No way.

I'll close with this cut and paste from telegraph.co.uk:

Miss Mogahed, appointed to the President's Council on Faith-Based and Neighbourhood Partnerships, said the Western view of Sharia was "oversimplified" and the majority of women around the world associate it with "gender justice".

The White House adviser made the remarks on a London-based TV discussion programme hosted by Ibtihal Bsis, a member of the extremist Hizb ut Tahrir party.

The group believes in the non-violent destruction of Western democracy and the creation of an Islamic state under Sharia Law across the world.
Miss Mogahed appeared alongside Hizb ut Tahrir's national women's officer, Nazreen Nawaz.

During the 45-minute discussion, on the Islam Channel programme Muslimah Dilemma earlier this week, the two members of the group made repeated attacks on secular "man-made law" and the West's "lethal cocktail of liberty and capitalism".

They called for Sharia Law to be "the source of legislation" and said that women should not be "permitted to hold a position of leadership in government".

Sure. An appointee of Obama calling for Sharia Law in broad daylight.

Yeah, nothing to worry about.

712 ExCamelJockey  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 12:39:07pm

re: #708 Charles

No, Texas does NOT have "sharia law." That court ruling doesn't say anything like what you pictured it as saying. The cases in question had written arbitration agreements which were ruled binding under existing Texas law. This has nothing to do with "sharia." It has to do with the legality of written arbitration agreements.

Good grief. Paranoia strikes deep.

Let's not split hairs here. I provided the link for a reason. My statements were factual. You can "picture" it however you like.

The panel of arbitrators in this case would have decided this issue "according to the Islamic rules of law by Texas Islamic Court". It's in the attached link.

So you have Sharia law, deciding a legal dispute, in Texas, and the outcome is legally binding. That sounds like Sharia law in Texas to me.


PS Make sure you have twice as many females as males to give testimony to that arbitration panel just so to keep the outcome honest (Koran 2:282).

713 n2stox  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 12:50:38pm

re: #710 reuven

This would make a little more sense if they were consistent, for example making sure the "10 Commandments" (or at least what most goyim think are the 10 commendments) don't appear in courthouses, and stopping the oath on the Bible in courtrooms.

So, an actual entire legal system based on Muhammad's teachings is somehow akin to some words printed on a wall and where someone puts their hand while taking their oath.

I'll make a deal with you:

I'll join you in your efforts to remove the 10 C's from courthouses and you join up with the efforts to ban sharia in the US. Deal?

One other thing to consider:

Commandment 6: Thou shall not commit adultery. Under US law, what happens if you do? Right, nothing.

Under sharia, death by stoning is the sentence.

And, of course, there are sharia's rules of evidence.

Only a confession, an oath, or the oral testimony of a witness are admissible in a Sharia court, written evidence is only admissible with the attestations of multiple witnesses deemed reliable by the judge. Testimony must be from at least two witnesses, and preferably free Muslim male witnesses, who are not related parties and who are of sound mind and reliable character; testimony to establish the crime of adultery, be from four direct witnesses. Forensic evidence (i.e. fingerprints, ballistics, blood samples, DNA etc.) and other circumstantial evidence is rejected in favor of eyewitnesses. Oh, and testimony from non-Muslims against a Muslim is usually inadmissible altogether.

Exactly why shouldn't this "system" be banned?

714 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 12:54:33pm

re: #712 ExCamelJockey

Let's not split hairs here. I provided the link for a reason. My statements were factual. You can "picture" it however you like.

The panel of arbitrators in this case would have decided this issue "according to the Islamic rules of law by Texas Islamic Court". It's in the attached link.

So you have Sharia law, deciding a legal dispute, in Texas, and the outcome is legally binding. That sounds like Sharia law in Texas to me.

PS Make sure you have twice as many females as males to give testimony to that arbitration panel just so to keep the outcome honest (Koran 2:282).

The only reason the written arbitration agreement was accepted was because it did not violate any of Texas' or the federal government's laws. This is not the camel's nose in the tent. The more extreme aspects of sharia law are never going to be tolerated in the United States, and I suggest you ought to have a little more faith in our democratic government.

715 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 12:55:35pm

re: #713 n2stox

There are already laws against all of those things. There's no need for any further legislation based on a foolish fear-driven anti-Islam premise.

716 n2stox  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 1:04:00pm

re: #708 Charles

No, Texas does NOT have "sharia law." That court ruling doesn't say anything like what you pictured it as saying. The cases in question had written arbitration agreements which were ruled binding under existing Texas law. This has nothing to do with "sharia." It has to do with the legality of written arbitration agreements.

Good grief. Paranoia strikes deep.

My paranoia would be less if those pesky Islamists would just stop cutting people's heads off in their stated quest for a caliphate.

You know, all that talk of turning Buckingham Palace into a mosque and having the crescent flag (or was it Black Flag?) flying over the White House. They've been screaming so loud for so long (Caliphate or death!), I'm beginning to think they mean what they've been saying.

Afterall, this is the note pinned through Theo van Gogh's chest by his Islamist murderer: "Islam will be victorious through the blood of martyrs who spread its light in every dark corner of this earth."

717 Obdicut  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 1:06:24pm

re: #716 n2stox

That has fuck-all to do with whether or not Sharia law could be implemented in the US. It couldn't be, and what you cited was an arbitration agreement.

Should we also pass a law banning Nazi laws, Commie laws, and Gorian laws?

718 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 1:06:34pm

Oh brother.

719 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 1:29:56pm

re: #706 truthin

Oh this is horrible. I was sooo looking forward to Sharia law - here's my top 10 reasons why!
1. Islam commands that drinkers and gamblers should be whipped.
2. Islam allows husbands to hit their wives even if the husbands merely fear highhandedness in their wives
3. Islam allows an injured plaintiff to exact legal revenge—physical eye for physical eye.
4. Islam commands that a male and female thief must have a hand cut off.
5. Islam commands that highway robbers should be crucified or mutilated.
6. Islam commands that homosexuals must be executed
7. Islam orders unmarried fornicators to be whipped and adulterers to be stoned to death.
8. Islam orders death for Muslim and possible death for non—Muslim critics of Muhammad and the Quran and even sharia itself
9. Islam orders apostates to be killed.
10. Islam commands offensive and aggressive and unjust jihad.

...man. Now I'm bummed. Guess I'll have to go to Iran or Saudi Arabia for this kind of wonderful legal system. Even Canada outlawed it. crap.

EVERY SINGLE FUCKING ONE of the things you referenced here are illegal in every state under existing law.

EVERY ONE.

So what purpose, exactly, does the OK law serve?

720 Obdicut  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 1:32:36pm

re: #719 Fozzie Bear

Let's pass a law making crime illegal. I'd like my Nobel now, please.

721 n2stox  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 1:34:28pm

re: #715 Charles

Hi, Charles,

Those laws exist at this snapshot in time. I bet the Brits thought they had laws on the books, too. Now they have 5 sharia courts that have substantially differing rules than non-Muslim Britons (in cases of inheritance, for example). They actually have different laws for those of a different religion. How can that stand? Well, it's there and there's apparently nothing the Brits can do about it.

Laws, and their interpretation, are constantly changing.

In the last few years, we've seen sharia finance operations start up in America by the likes of Citigroup, AIG, B of A, Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank, HSBC, and Morgan Stanley. Of course these banks want into the $1.5 trillion Muslim banking market, as it is growing by some estimates by 15% per year.

What's wrong with this? You might ask. It's quite simple: Islamic banking working through global banks is doing for Islam what it could never do on its own: giving legitimacy to Sharia law and infiltrating it into the fabric of western society.

I also submit, while not an issue today, the growing dependence on sharia banking clearly would put a bank's "other customer" at peril. If a bank becomes too dependent on its Muslim depositors, it becomes a slave to those depositors. Kind of like TARP made the banks slaves to the Feds. But deposits are different. A bank can (and they are) live without TARP. A bank cannot survive without deposits.

Lastly, there is a shortage of sharia banking experts, so there is competition among banks to find such experts to sit on their boards of directors. By having an "expert" involved in banking decisions, this provides the legitimacy to each banking decision because it is made at the director level rather management level. However, many of these sharia "experts" are from the Wahhabi school of Islam in Saudi Arabia and elsewhere, and they hold views diametrically opposed to the basic values of Western civilization. In fact, I could make a case that they are openly hostile to the basic values of Western civilization.

Yousuf Quaradawi, who is prominent in the Muslim Brotherhood, owns two banks himself and has issued statements in support of Palestinian attacks on Israeli citizens and has issued rulings supporting Hamas and Hezbollah jihad attacks against Israel. And he is banned from entering the US and UK.

Muhammad Yaqui Usami who is a radical cleric and Sharia court judge in Pakistan is an advisor to HSBC.

These are the kinds of people advising U.S. banks on how to conduct their business to assure they are "sharia compliant." Add to that the fact that under sharia banking, these banks must donate 2.5% of revenue as zakat to Islamic charity, and one can see where the problems are to begin.

722 Obdicut  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 1:37:38pm

re: #721 n2stox

If a bank becomes too dependent on its Muslim depositors, it becomes a slave to those depositors. Kind of like TARP made the banks slaves to the Feds.

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723 n2stox  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 1:37:48pm

re: #717 Obdicut

I didn't cite anything. I quoted someone else's citation.

Ok, I understand you think there is "no way" sharia will be implemented in the US."

Why the F do you care what the state of Oklahoma does? The Oklahoma law forbids judges from using precedent from foreign countries and sharia in their decisions.

How is that a problem for Oklahomans? Or you for that matter?

724 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 1:38:50pm

re: #721 n2stox

Look out. I think there's a Muslim under your bed right now trying to impose sharia law on your dust bunnies.

725 Obdicut  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 1:40:10pm

re: #723 n2stox

How is that a problem for Oklahomans? Or you for that matter?

Yes, this is a completely isolated and innocent law that doesn't attach to, say, the fact that Oklahoma is passing laws based on conservative Christian theology.

726 n2stox  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 1:42:37pm

re: #722 Obdicut

You've clearly got something wedged up tight, man.

Tell me, how does a bank survive if it begins to lose depositors, or worse, has a run on it?

Look up fractional reserve banking and get back to me.

727 Obdicut  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 1:43:30pm

re: #726 n2stox

Have you checked with your bank to make sure they're not slaves of the scary Muslims yet?

728 n2stox  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:02:23pm

re: #725 Obdicut

How does conservative christian theology dictate that Oklahoma should not look to foreign or sharia precedent in judicial opinions?

Our other rants aside, in reading the text, how is this some christian theological law?

I mean, here in WA, if they were to pass some law saying we could not use Buddhist precedent or some judgement handed down in Sierra Leone, or Quebec, Canada how is that a bad/racist/bigoted/mean-spirited/stupid thing to do?

Waste of time? Ok, but c'mon. Who cares if Oklahoman or Washingtonian politicians waste time? That's not what some here are so up tight about.

729 n2stox  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:06:28pm

I mean "slaves to the depositors." And, banks are. They rely on deposits to stay in business. You can make fun all you want, and I should have proof-read my post, but that doesn't change the fundamentals of banking.

#724 & #727,

Oh, is that what things have become here?

Congratulations, Charles, it appears you've become a mirror image of DKos.

Good bye.

730 Obdicut  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:08:18pm

re: #728 n2stox

Sorry, I didn't realize you were totally ignorant about the laws based on Conservative Christian theology that were passed in OK. Should have guessed.

731 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 15, 2010 2:11:08pm

re: #729 n2stox

Because I'm not in a panic that sharia law is going to take over and we're going to see beheadings at the local shopping mall, that means I'm just like Daily Kos?

Whatever. See ya.


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