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Video: Rick Perry Plastered?

The teleprompter’s been drinking again
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Speaking in Manchester, New Hampshire, Rick Perry was either in a very giddy mood due to exhaustion, or in serious need of a designated driver. You decide.

This could be curtains for the Perry presidential campaign.

Also see:
Rick Perry’s Unusual Speech Performance

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274 comments

1 Political Atheist  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 12:35:59pm

I think I see a a mix of a some booze and some fatigue. Looks like both the most sensible and the most extreme are out or soon will be. The GOP will be stuck in the muddle. So to speak.

2 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 12:39:55pm

Slap-happy. I think he's a little lit, maybe. I wonder about maybe pain pills, or something for anxiety, and then a shot or two on top? That will sometimes throw you for a loop, and men never think they actually can't drink with meds. At least the men I'm related to.

3 albusteve  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 12:40:09pm

he's just dropped his public persona...probably thinks he's at the club

4 jaunte  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 12:40:12pm

Perry is not the one who will make Obama "a wurn term President."

5 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 12:40:37pm

Or, this could be a manic episode!

6 jaunte  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 12:41:33pm

re: #5 SanFranciscoZionist

He was pretty excited about the maple syrup.

7 Gus  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 12:42:49pm

Not drunk. Not plastered. Maybe a little tipsy. Perry's naturally goofy like this.

8 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 12:44:24pm

Dumb bigot.

9 Kronocide  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 12:44:54pm

Rick Perry was Rick Perry before George Bush was George Bush.

10 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 12:45:31pm

Dear God, he's quoting Langston Hughes.

11 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 12:45:53pm

Some people really ARE as stupid as you think. Perry is one of them.

Good news ... Just got back from freeing my car from one of mother nature's big ass trees. It is damaged on the hood, but drivable. I met some neighbors I didn't know on my trek ... Nice folks ... All with a sense of humor ... Tree limbs weigh more than you think!

12 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 12:45:56pm

He REALLY likes the maple syrup, that's for sure.

13 Gus  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 12:46:53pm

re: #12 SanFranciscoZionist

He REALLY likes the maple syrup, that's for sure.

Hypoglycemia? Sometimes a sugar reaction can have a tipsy like affect on people.

14 mr.fusion  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 12:48:26pm

Ha, I just got this video emailed to me and thought "this belongs as a poll question on LGF." Charles, once again beat me to it

15 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 12:48:33pm

re: #13 Gus 802

Hypoglycemia? Sometimes a sugar reaction can have a tipsy like affect on people.

Well, he's not actually chugging it on camera--that would been a campaign-killer for sure, although hilarious, and sure to be remembered for many years to come.

16 albusteve  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 12:48:34pm

re: #11 _RememberTonyC

Some people really ARE as stupid as you think. Perry is one of them.

Good news ... Just got back from freeing my car from one of mother nature's big ass trees. It is damaged on the hood, but drivable. I met some neighbors I didn't know on my trek ... Nice folks ... All with a sense of humor ... Tree limbs weigh more than you think!

living in SW MI most of my life, I've seen many ice storms....whoppers
spooky when you hear those big old trees creaking and cracking...we usually lost power for days on end

17 jaunte  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 12:48:43pm
18 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 12:50:04pm

re: #17 jaunte

Politics and the Misuse of Langston Hughes

O, let my land be a land where liberty
Is crowned with no false patriotic wreath,
But opportunity is real, and life is free,
Equality is in the air we breathe.
O, let America be America again --
The land that never has been yet --
And yet must be -- the land where every man is free.

I taught that poem to my juniors. God, Langston was amazing.

19 Gus  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 12:51:23pm

re: #15 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, he's not actually chugging it on camera--that would been a campaign-killer for sure, although hilarious, and sure to be remembered for many years to come.

My dad has hypoglycemia. He would have just one glass of wine sometimes and he would just go over the top. Nothing nasty. He would just start laughing at everything and almost never stop.

20 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 12:51:52pm

re: #16 albusteve

living in SW MI most of my life, I've seen many ice storms...whoppers
spooky when you hear those big old trees creaking and cracking...we usually lost power for days on end

It's bad here Steve ... I took a bunch of pictures on my trek to the accident site. I wish I could post them, but I am on my iPad and can't connect. The creaking last night of the trees was very unsettling. But my boy said it was 55 and sunny in A2 ... And Mich is 7-1 ...

21 Amory Blaine  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 12:54:54pm

Around these parts, politicians aren't even allowed to have a whiff of drunkenness in public. The knives come out qui..oh, it's Rick Perry. He'll get a pass.

22 albusteve  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 12:55:35pm

re: #20 _RememberTonyC

It's bad here Steve ... I took a bunch of pictures on my trek to the accident site. I wish I could post them, but I am on my iPad and can't connect. The creaking last night of the trees was very unsettling. But my boy said it was 55 and sunny in A2 ... And Mich is 7-1 ...

usually just a few warmer degrees will make a difference...
yeah MI pounded Purdue but I still can't get with Robinson and the 'new' offense....I like 3 yrds and a cloud o'dust...Big Ten style

23 bubbanelson  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 12:58:10pm

After seeing him dancing on the channuka video, i wonder if he's attending too many farbrengens?

24 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 12:58:46pm

re: #22 albusteve

usually just a few warmer degrees will make a difference...
yeah MI pounded Purdue but I still can't get with Robinson and the 'new' offense...I like 3 yrds and a cloud o'dust...Big Ten style

Bo loved that style ... He was a great man ... I knew him pretty well about 20 years ago ... Worked on college football at ABC together. A wonderful human being in every way that mattered!

25 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 12:59:38pm

re: #20 _RememberTonyC

It's bad here Steve ... I took a bunch of pictures on my trek to the accident site. I wish I could post them, but I am on my iPad and can't connect. The creaking last night of the trees was very unsettling. But my boy said it was 55 and sunny in A2 ... And Mich is 7-1 ...

Spoke with my father both last night and this a.m.

Boston missed it, looks like
He said they got maybe an inch, inch and a half of mostly wet snow

Sun was already out today melting it

26 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:00:34pm

re: #22 albusteve

Welcome back

(from wherever you've been)

Sent you an e-mail that you never responded too

WHAAAA,,, You don't wub me no more!!!

27 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:00:44pm

Don't think it really matters either way, as short of a major faux pas on Cain's part, Perry's fighting for "also-ran" status. Perhaps he'll be lucky and make enough of an appearance in the polls to be considered for VP status, but by now, it's obvious that the grand Romney slayer he is not.

28 BishopX  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:01:19pm

re: #25 sattv4u2

Yeah, we got off lucky. Still some downed limbs around town though, mostly from trees that Irene didn't finish off.

29 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:02:05pm

re: #28 BishopX

Yeah, we got off lucky. Still some downed limbs around town though, mostly from trees that Irene didn't finish off.

Glad to hear

30 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:02:13pm

re: #25 sattv4u2

Spoke with my father both last night and this a.m.

Boston missed it, looks like
He said they got maybe an inch, inch and a half of mostly wet snow

Sun was already out today melting it

We got pounded ... Power out to 96% of my town. Trees down everywhere ... Including on my car ... Climate change is REAL ...

31 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:03:37pm

re: #17 jaunte

Politics and the Misuse of Langston Hughes

"What is absolutely clear, however, is where Hughes stood politically, and it is on this point that his misuse is most shocking. Santorum and Perry employed the words of Hughes as representative of political agendas to which Hughes would have been adamantly opposed. "

Hughes isn't the only one conservative bigots do that to. I call it MLK-ing...appropriating the words of people they'd just as soon have strung up as look at.

32 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:03:41pm

re: #30 _RememberTonyC

We got pounded ... Power out to 96% of my town. Trees down everywhere ... Including on my car ... Climate change is REAL ...

Come on, everybody knows that snow can't happen with global warming! Things are supposed to be getting hotter, not colder! Damned alarmists!!!1111

33 albusteve  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:05:47pm

re: #24 _RememberTonyC

Bo loved that style ... He was a great man ... I knew him pretty well about 20 years ago ... Worked on college football at ABC together. A wonderful human being in every way that mattered!

I went to a funeral reception one time for a bigtime ND alumni....was a bit early, strolled up to the bar and ordered a drink....a guy walks up behind me and does the same...he starts chatting with me and after a few seconds I realized it was Ara P...we started talking football, some others joined and we had a gay old time getting into the ND/UM rivalry...a super cool guy, but hardly the legend Bo is

34 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:06:39pm

re: #27 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Don't think it really matters either way, as short of a major faux pas on Cain's part, Perry's fighting for "also-ran" status. Perhaps he'll be lucky and make enough of an appearance in the polls to be considered for VP status, but by now, it's obvious that the grand Romney slayer he is not.

Republicans are following a pretty predictable pattern; anyone but Romney can steal the spotlight briefly until the wingnuts are faced with the inescapable reality that the new flavor of the month is unelectable. Pretty much any Republican sitting on the sidelines can jump in just before the primaries and steal the nomination. Somebody might do it. Maybe Palin or trump might jump back in. Anything can happen.

35 albusteve  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:06:44pm

re: #26 sattv4u2

Welcome back

(from wherever you've been)

Sent you an e-mail that you never responded too

WHAAA,,, You don't wub me no more!!!

I was off the net for 2 weeks....next time call my office

36 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:07:30pm

re: #17 jaunte

I'd like to see those stupid conservative bigots quote this one.

"Harlem"

What happens to a dream deferred?

Does it dry up
like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore -
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over -
like a syrupy sweet?

Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.

Or does it explode?

- Langston Hughes, 1951

37 albusteve  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:08:50pm

re: #34 Killgore Trout

Republicans are following a pretty predictable pattern; anyone but Romney can steal the spotlight briefly until the wingnuts are faced with the inescapable reality that the new flavor of the month is unelectable. Pretty much any Republican sitting on the sidelines can jump in just before the primaries and steal the nomination. Somebody might do it. Maybe Palin or trump might jump back in. Anything can happen.

no shit....expect the unexpected

38 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:09:52pm

re: #34 Killgore Trout

Republicans are following a pretty predictable pattern; anyone but Romney can steal the spotlight briefly until the wingnuts are faced with the inescapable reality that the new flavor of the month is unelectable. Pretty much any Republican sitting on the sidelines can jump in just before the primaries and steal the nomination. Somebody might do it. Maybe Palin or trump might jump back in. Anything can happen.

IIRC, the deadlines for registration in most of the early primaries are over the next few days, so if there was going to be an 11th hour appearance by a phantom menace, the time's run out. And while Cain is looking well on the national polls, in the polls in those early primary states, Romney's leading the pack. So barring some major power shift in the next few weeks, it looks like Romney will nicely cement his status as the nominee by early spring.

39 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:10:32pm

re: #35 albusteve

I was off the net for 2 weeks...next time call my office

What do you want me to call it?

40 albusteve  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:11:44pm

re: #36 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I'd like to see those stupid conservative bigots quote this one.

"Harlem"

What happens to a dream deferred?

Does it dry up
like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore -
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over -
like a syrupy sweet?

Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.

Or does it explode?

- Langston Hughes, 1951

dreams don't explode, tho they do get delayed....you have to keep pounding away

41 albusteve  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:12:42pm

re: #39 sattv4u2

What do you want me to call it?

press 2 for English and follow the instructions

42 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:13:17pm

Here is what Huffpo says about this video:

The video is not a full version of his remarks. It is a carefully edited montage designed to highlight the giddiest and strangest moments of a roughly 25-minute speech. The owner of the YouTube account, CharlieJohnson1986, did not respond to a message sent to the account.

But while the video is designed to make Perry look bad, it does capture elements of his speech that were widely remarked upon in the crowd by those who saw the speech.

43 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:13:43pm

re: #41 albusteve

press 2 for English and follow the instructions

I'm just happy thats still an option!

44 Amory Blaine  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:14:52pm

re: #42 Alouette

What part of "highlights" does the author not understand? Sigh.

45 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:15:33pm

re: #43 sattv4u2

I'm just happy thats still an option!

Eh. English is not what it used to be. /

46 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:15:49pm

The owner of the YouTube account, CharlieJohnson1986

Could be a stalker?

47 Gus  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:16:30pm

Just be forewarned young people! Maple syrup is a gateway starch. Once you start driving down your blood sugar levels you'll likely start experimenting with wine or beers. That will then lead to harder liquids like whiskey or vodka and life of drunkenness. All it takes is one breakfast of pancakes drenched in maple syrup -- the gateway starch.

//

48 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:16:39pm

re: #46 Alouette

Unlikely. Too common a name. The year of birth is included. The message is anti-Republican. Nothing to tie to the stalkers.

49 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:16:47pm

Still, the individual pieces taken on their own, are horrible.

I wanted to throw a shoe at my monitor when he started rambling about the "easy" flat tax!

50 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:17:05pm

re: #46 Alouette

The owner of the YouTube account, CharlieJohnson1986

Could be a stalker?

Interesting.

51 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:17:44pm

OK, watching RoTLD II now and it's like a straight up comedy.

52 albusteve  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:18:19pm

re: #49 Alouette

Still, the individual pieces taken on their own, are horrible.

I wanted to throw a shoe at my monitor when he started rambling about the "easy" flat tax!

calm down...you need to throw a shoe, throw one at you House rep

53 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:18:53pm

re: #48 Sergey Romanov

Unlikely. Too common a name. The year of birth is included. The message is anti-Republican. Nothing to tie to the stalkers.

Probably. The account was created yesterday, so far this is the only upload.

54 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:18:56pm

re: #52 albusteve

calm down...you need to throw a shoe, throw one at you House rep

"Miss me yet?" (c)GWB

55 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:18:59pm

re: #51 Sergey Romanov

OK, watching RoTLD II now and it's like a straight up comedy.

Yeah, the series swings around. The first one's a typical 80's-style horror film, then the second plays as an 80's-style comedy. Finally the third is a straight up, gritty 90's-style horror film.

I refuse to mention the fourth and fifth in any terms that aren't rife with four letter words.

56 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:20:12pm

re: #55 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The third one is actually teen romance film. (Tho maybe that's what you mean by the typical 90s horror ;).

57 Gus  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:20:20pm

Click here! Charles Johnson...

58 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:21:49pm

re: #56 Sergey Romanov

The third one is actually teen romance film. (Tho maybe that's what you mean by the typical 90s horror ;).

Yeah, pretty much. It's a 90's-style horror B-movie, which includes the love story alongside generous amounts of gore and violence.

59 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:22:18pm

*zombies stomping on an unlucky zombie trying to get outta the grave*

60 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:22:51pm

re: #58 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, pretty much. It's a 90's-style horror B-movie, which includes the love story alongside generous amounts of gore and violence.

Nothing beats the Twilight series in terms of sheer horror.
;)

61 albusteve  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:23:02pm

wow, adults feasting on teen B movies...no wonder America is in the shitter

62 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:23:51pm

re: #61 albusteve

wow, adults feasting on teen B movies...no wonder America is in the shitter

Hello, Mr Crankypants.

63 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:24:01pm

re: #61 albusteve

wow, adults feasting on teen B movies...no wonder America is in the shitter

tired of shouting at clouds? /

64 Gus  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:24:55pm

re: #61 albusteve

wow, adults feasting on teen B movies...no wonder America is in the shitter

First time in history!

Night of the Living Dead
The Blob
...

65 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:25:29pm

re: #64 Gus 802

Seems like Steve found the source of all problems. Well done!

66 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:26:05pm

re: #60 Varek Raith

Nothing beats the Twilight series in terms of sheer horror.
;)

Only good ending to a Twilight movie.

67 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:26:09pm

re: #21 Amory Blaine

Around these parts, politicians aren't even allowed to have a whiff of drunkenness in public. The knives come out qui..oh, it's Rick Perry. He'll get a pass.

I doubt it. At this rate, Romney's flip-flops won't mean a thing, because Bachmann has already imploded, and Rick Perry looks like he just followed suit. That leaves only Herman Cain to challenge Mitt.

68 albusteve  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:26:20pm

re: #64 Gus 802

First time in history!

Night of the Living Dead
The Blob
...

Steve McQueen was the beginning of the end

69 bubbanelson  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:26:31pm

re: #32 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Well it would be easitto defend myself against my denier. colleaguesit rained ten inches.
now they'll tell me to trade my prius for an awd.

70 albusteve  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:28:11pm

re: #65 Sergey Romanov

Seems like Steve found the source of all problems. Well done!

my solution to everything...
[Link: ultimategto.com...]

71 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:28:28pm

*older guy sees something moving in his bag, knows it's a zombie head, scowls and whimpers, takes it out anyway, gets bitten, fair is fair*

72 Amory Blaine  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:28:35pm

re: #67 Dark_Falcon

True, they all fall behind their one man (or woman).

73 Gus  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:29:26pm

re: #68 albusteve

Steve McQueen was the beginning of the end

I thought that was Dean Jones.

//

74 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:29:39pm

*get the damn screwdriver outta my head!*

75 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:30:09pm

re: #73 Gus 802

I thought that was Dean Jones.

//

I thought it was Jimmy Dean!
/

76 Gus  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:30:28pm

re: #75 sattv4u2

I thought it was Jimmy Dean!
/

James Dean?

//

77 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:30:35pm

I am glad that I misoverestimated Perry's potential to lead the Republican pack through the primary season and win the nomination. Seems that he did, too...

78 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:31:07pm

PRESENTED WITHOUT COMMENT

79 Gus  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:31:50pm

re: #78 WindUpBird

PRESENTED WITHOUT COMMENT

[Video]

Does it have cops and hippies? If not I am not interested.

//

80 albusteve  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:32:00pm

re: #76 Gus 802

James Dean?

//

Dizzy Dean?

81 Stanghazi  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:32:48pm

So glad you posted this. It's epically so unpresidential!

Liquid courage eh Governor!

82 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:33:49pm

re: #78 WindUpBird

PRESENTED WITHOUT COMMENT

[Video]

Autofail!

83 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:34:05pm

re: #67 Dark_Falcon

I doubt it. At this rate, Romney's flip-flops won't mean a thing, because Bachmann has already imploded, and Rick Perry looks like he just followed suit. That leaves only Herman Cain to challenge Mitt.

You do realize that Romney's numbers have been a flatline for months and his chances don't exactly improve when Cain isn't splitting votes with Bachmann and Perry, right?

84 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:34:50pm

re: #79 Gus 802

Does it have cops and hippies? If not I am not interested.

//

One could say - or at least imagine - so.

85 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:35:47pm

re: #72 Amory Blaine

True, they all fall behind their one man (or woman).

In the end, a party that wants to win the White House has to do so. Cain still has a decent shot (that ad with the smoking aide that was so derided here has actually helped rather than hurt him by getting him visibility), but he's really the only alternative at this point. Perry is falling apart, and frankly Bachmann has made herself unelectable.

86 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:35:51pm

re: #77 ralphieboy

I am glad that I misoverestimated Perry's potential to lead the Republican pack through the primary season and win the nomination. Seems that he did, too...

It wasn't exactly like you were alone at the time. Most of us had some inkling that Perry would present a real challenge in the primaries. And while there were Texas folks who told us that he habitually avoided debates, it was figured to be something that would factor in until next year. But then he had debate after debate where, when he wasn't getting booed for having a streak of sanity on certain issues, he was serving up softballs for Romney to knock out of the park.

87 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:36:36pm

*Who knew that zombies are distracted by pretty women doing aerobics on TV?*

88 Gus  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:37:01pm

That was... odd.

89 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:37:15pm

re: #87 Sergey Romanov

*Who knew that zombies are distracted by pretty women doing aerobics on TV?*

Well, they were distracted by fireworks in Land of the Dead.

90 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:37:17pm

re: #83 goddamnedfrank

Basically there are two groups in the the upcoming Republican primary, the establishment Romney voters and the base anybody but Romney voters. Romney does better when the base is split up between several would be contenders, the more the base whittles down their options the worse off Romney is.

91 albusteve  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:37:21pm

re: #83 goddamnedfrank

You do realize that Romney's numbers have been a flatline for months and his chances don't exactly improve when Cain isn't splitting votes with Bachmann and Perry, right?

BO's numbers have been crashing for months...doesn't seem to affect peoples imagination that he's unbeatable

92 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:37:51pm

re: #89 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

You remember such details... It's all one film to me at this point.

93 lawhawk  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:38:27pm

So, I go and lose power during the Snowpocalyse (pre-Halloween edition) in the NYC metro area and you go and post this? Damn.

Just damn.

Will this kill Perry's chances? I doubt it. He's going to go on and ignore it and imagine as though it didn't exist. And people will fall for it.

Anyhow, no word on when I will get power back, and I'm transient for the next few days. Driving in from Long Island yesterday from the GWB and it was pitch black pretty much the entire way. Most of Bergen County had major blackouts. Nasty stuff.

Oh, and I've got to deal with a whole bunch of downed branches. At least 8-10 branches that are each 20 feet long or so... dead weight and a few hanging up on the house and trees. The tree guys are going to be raking it in (deservedly so).

94 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:39:10pm

*Billy takes a bite out of mom's head. Mom looks surprised and confused.*

95 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:39:20pm

re: #83 goddamnedfrank

You do realize that Romney's numbers have been a flatline for months and his chances don't exactly improve when Cain isn't splitting votes with Bachmann and Perry, right?

Yep. But when its down to just Cain and Romney, Romney's much larger money supply and organization will be telling factors. But Cain could win the nomination, and I think he'd have a legitimate shot in the general election. But that last is my opinion, take it for what its worth.

96 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:39:51pm

re: #89 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Well, they were distracted by fireworks in Land of the Dead.

Dead Reckoning!

97 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:40:06pm

re: #92 Sergey Romanov

You remember such details... It's all one film to me at this point.

I remember such details despite only having seen it once. Like how Simon Pegg and Nick Frost managed to impress Romero so well with Shaun of the Dead that he gave them parts as zombies in Land.

98 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:40:25pm

re: #82 Sergey Romanov

Autofail!

I own that film :D

99 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:41:02pm

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

In the end, a party that wants to win the White House has to do so. Cain still has a decent shot (that ad with the smoking aide that was so derided here has actually helped rather than hurt him by getting him visibility), but he's really the only alternative at this point. Perry is falling apart, and frankly Bachmann has made herself unelectable.

lmao

100 lawhawk  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:41:22pm

re: #83 goddamnedfrank

Mitt's numbers have been consistent while everyone else has bounced all over the place. But the other candidates have serious issues with ground game. Most don't have any, particularly in the NE and in the lead in states. That's not a good sign. Mitt and Perry have ground game, but Perry's fading - and Cain doesn't look like he's expanding his GOTV.

101 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:41:36pm

*zombie on the car roof!*

102 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:41:39pm

re: #95 Dark_Falcon

Cain could win the nomination, and I think he'd have a legitimate shot in the general election.

In what parallel universe?

103 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:42:58pm

re: #102 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

In what parallel universe?

The one where women don't vote and blacks like being called brainwashed.

104 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:43:01pm

*OK, that's what I call a visible hand of the free market.*

105 Interesting Times  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:43:42pm

re: #102 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

In what parallel universe?

The one in which Democratic voters get disenfranchised/suppressed and GOP voters are even dumber than I think (which I confess is entirely possible...Fox News/Limbaugh are awe-inducing brain-cell-reducing machines...)

106 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:44:43pm

Wow, GG Cain

This presidential election season, Georgia’s homegrown prospect Herman Cain is talking about race.

Cain, a black, conservative Republican, recently said the media is "scared that a real black man may run against Barack Obama."

And there’s this one about pro-abortion rights group Planned Parenthood:

"When Margaret Sanger - check my history - started Planned Parenthood, the objective was to put these centers in primarily black communities so they could help kill black babies before they came into the world," Cain said during a talk in Washington, D.C., at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative group.

yes, a "real black man". You tell it to whitey at the Heritage Foundation! You do that!

107 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:46:19pm

re: #103 goddamnedfrank

The one where women don't vote and blacks like being called brainwashed.

re: #105 publicityStunted

The one in which Democratic voters get disenfranchised/suppressed and GOP voters are even dumber than I think (which I confess is entirely possible...Fox News/Limbaugh are awe-inducing brain-cell-reducing machines...)

Oh, I would not put it past conservatives to try it; it certainly would not be the first time. In fact, I would say that's all they have, since they don't have any ideas to run on and the GOP has no record except the word "no" for the past 3 years.

Some stupid con was dumb enough to recently tell me "REAL blacks look like Herman Cain [as opposed to Obama]".

This, they think is going to win them an election, I guess.

108 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:46:28pm

re: #86 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Perry looked like he had it all to just up and leave the other candidates in the dust: a pole position, a clear message and a convincing persona.

Amazing to see that he could not build on all those advantages.

109 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:46:39pm

Cain winning the nomination I might believe, assuming Romney suffered a stroke and the rest of the pack was swallowed up by the Earth. But winning the general election? I'd need to drink some heavy-duty paint thinner before I believed that to be a real possibility.

110 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:47:12pm

Stupid question time: is "damn" still considered an obscene or rude word?

111 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:47:42pm

re: #110 Sergey Romanov

Stupid question time: is "damn" still considered an obscene or rude word?

Fuck no!

112 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:48:14pm

re: #111 Varek Raith

Fuck no!

Damn.

113 Amory Blaine  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:48:39pm

Cain is a Washington insider and a lobbyist.

114 Amory Blaine  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:48:55pm

re: #110 Sergey Romanov

Stupid question time: is "damn" still considered an obscene or rude word?

yes

115 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:49:08pm

re: #110 Sergey Romanov

Stupid question time: is "damn" still considered an obscene or rude word?

No, but I would say don't use it in professional environments.

116 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:49:35pm

re: #108 ralphieboy

Perry looked like he had it all to just up and leave the other candidates in the dust: a pole position, a clear message and a convincing persona.

Amazing to see that he could not build on all those advantages.

Perry was the Fred Thompson of this election season: The guy who everybody thought would absolutely ignite the primaries the day he entered and be totally unstoppable. But then he jumped in, the hype turned out to be covering for some very real deficiencies, and he's now dropped to "short bus status" in the polls. There's a chance he might pull himself up enough in the early polls to be taken seriously as a VP candidate, but as of now, there's no chance he's going to win the nomination.

117 Interesting Times  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:49:46pm

re: #110 Sergey Romanov

Stupid question time: is "damn" still considered an obscene or rude word?

Ha, that reminds me of the time goddamnedfrank got dumped on by a since-banned commenter for his blasphemous choice of username :)

118 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:49:46pm

re: #115 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Is this a word "children should not say"?

119 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:50:06pm

re: #117 publicityStunted

Ha, that reminds me of the time goddamnedfrank got dumped on by a since-banned commenter for his blasphemous choice of username :)

ahahahah oh noes!

120 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:50:33pm

re: #116 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Fred never got any large percentages in polls, IIRC.

121 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:51:30pm

I actually hope that Romney gets the nomination. People like Cain, Bachmann, and Palin are such loose cannons that I can honestly seen them running third party, sending enough torpedoes at the GOP to make it clear they will destroy the party if their candidates don't win the primary.

122 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:51:46pm

re: #118 Sergey Romanov

Is this a word "children should not say"?

If I were them, I would not say it to an adult.

123 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:51:59pm

re: #120 Sergey Romanov

Fred never got any large percentages in polls, IIRC.

I may be misremembering, but I was pretty sure that Fred enjoyed a good showing in the poll when listed as a "potential candidate." Of course, then he kept teasing folks all summer, such that when he finally did announce, most had moved on to bigger powerhouses like John McCain.

124 Amory Blaine  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:52:14pm

re: #118 Sergey Romanov

Is this a word "children should not say"?

Swearing is proportional to ones ability to pay the bills.
/

125 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:52:34pm

re: #117 publicityStunted

Ha, that reminds me of the time goddamnedfrank got dumped on by a since-banned commenter for his blasphemous choice of username :)

Good times, great oldies.

126 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:53:20pm

re: #117 publicityStunted

Ha, that reminds me of the time goddamnedfrank got dumped on by a since-banned commenter for his blasphemous choice of username :)

Hahaha I love goddamnfrank's username. I smile every time I see it.

127 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:56:09pm

re: #121 goddamnedfrank

I actually hope that Romney gets the nomination. People like Cain, Bachmann, and Palin are such loose cannons that I can honestly seen them running third party, sending enough torpedoes at the GOP to make it clear they will destroy the party if their candidates don't win the primary.

Then the party will have a choice to make about what is important to it. I would really hate to see the GOP suffer the fate of Canada's Conservatives in the early 1990's, who suffered a major schism and were out of power for 15 years before they could finally come together again.

128 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:56:25pm

re: #110 Sergey Romanov

Stupid question time: is "damn" still considered an obscene or rude word?

Hell, no!

129 Lidane  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:56:51pm

re: #95 Dark_Falcon

But Cain could win the nomination, and I think he'd have a legitimate shot in the general election.

You're dreaming if you think that any candidate who can inspire this has a legitimate shot at anything:

130 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:56:56pm

*suggesting chronic intractable rigor mortis*

131 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:58:06pm

re: #128 reine.de.tout

Hell, no!

*the opinions were divided*

132 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:58:20pm

re: #93 lawhawk

So, I go and lose power during the Snowpocalyse (pre-Halloween edition) in the NYC metro area and you go and post this? Damn.

Just damn.

Will this kill Perry's chances? I doubt it. He's going to go on and ignore it and imagine as though it didn't exist. And people will fall for it.

Anyhow, no word on when I will get power back, and I'm transient for the next few days. Driving in from Long Island yesterday from the GWB and it was pitch black pretty much the entire way. Most of Bergen County had major blackouts. Nasty stuff.

Oh, and I've got to deal with a whole bunch of downed branches. At least 8-10 branches that are each 20 feet long or so... dead weight and a few hanging up on the house and trees. The tree guys are going to be raking it in (deservedly so).

How are you posting on Teh Interwebz if you have no power? Did you rig up some steampunk wifi?

133 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 1:58:39pm

re: #127 Dark_Falcon

Then the party will have a choice to make about what is important to it. I would really hate to see the GOP suffer the fate of Canada's Conservatives in the early 1990's, who suffered a major schism and were out of power for 15 years before they could finally come together again.

And that really will be the thing to watch next summer and fall, namely will the establishment succeed into mollifying the base or will the base refuse to vote/go third party.

134 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:00:02pm

re: #127 Dark_Falcon

Then the party will have a choice to make about what is important to it.

They've already done that. That's why they are where they are right now.

135 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:00:09pm

re: #132 Alouette

How are you posting on Teh Interwebz if you have no power? Did you rig up some steampunk wifi?

"Shovel that coal faster! I need more bandwidth!"

136 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:00:55pm

re: #135 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

"Shovel that coal faster! I need more bandwidth!"

"Release the hamsters!"

137 Lidane  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:01:05pm

re: #127 Dark_Falcon

I would really hate to see the GOP suffer the fate of Canada's Conservatives in the early 1990's, who suffered a major schism and were out of power for 15 years before they could finally come together again.

Quite frankly, the GOP deserves that fate. The party is desperately broken and corrupt and needs an enema.

The best thing for the GOP would be a Mondale-style humiliation on the national stage. Maybe then the party leadership could finally tell the wingnuts and religious bigots to STFU and go to the Constitution Party where they belong, and get rid of the Paulian idiots, too. The Republicans are completely off the rails and desperately need to houseclean.

138 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:01:06pm

re: #133 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

There are many for whom Romney is a no-go, and there will be nothing that tghe GOp will be able to say to convince them. They want a candidate of unimpeachable conservative credentials and idological purity. That is what they saw in Michelle Bachamnn until she turned out to be a complete ninny.

139 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:01:14pm

re: #122 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

If I were them, I would not say it to an adult.

When my daughter was about 8 or 9, we were going somewhere, she was in the backseat, and I had my window open.

Suddenly, I hear, "Please, shut the damn window!" from the backseat!

I had to laugh. I know exactly where she got it. I don't think I ever referred to a window without saying "damn" in front of it.

140 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:02:12pm

*you're making a big mistake*
*shuddup*
*goes away with a future zombie*

141 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:03:47pm

re: #127 Dark_Falcon

Then the party will have a choice to make about what is important to it.

That's true either way, the schism exists so the question is whether winning is more important than having a soul.

I would really hate to see the GOP suffer the fate of Canada's Conservatives in the early 1990's, who suffered a major schism and were out of power for 15 years before they could finally come together again.

But they did come back, and as a more sane, consistent, popular and electable party overall. You'd hate to see it because all you're interested in is winning, not creating an intellectually healthy, long term viable political organization.

142 lawhawk  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:04:08pm

re: #132 Alouette

I have my methods. :) I'm staying with someone who has power.

143 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:04:28pm

re: #138 ralphieboy

There are many for whom Romney is a no-go, and there will be nothing that tghe GOp will be able to say to convince them. They want a candidate of unimpeachable conservative credentials and idological purity. That is what they saw in Michelle Bachamnn until she turned out to be a complete ninny.

Which is why I'm left to wonder whether they'll choose to stay home en-mass or will there be a third party challenger to suck votes from a Romney ticket and successfully muddy the waters.

144 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:04:35pm

*nom nom nom*

145 Interesting Times  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:04:42pm

re: #115 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

No, but I would say don't use it in professional environments.

City official: "Damn it, what are we going to do about this raging river?"

Civil engineer: "You just answered your own question."

146 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:04:54pm

re: #144 Sergey Romanov

*bang bang bang*

147 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:05:48pm

re: #137 Lidane

Quite frankly, the GOP deserves that fate. The party is desperately broken and corrupt and needs an enema.

The best thing for the GOP would be a Mondale-style humiliation on the national stage. Maybe then the party leadership could finally tell the wingnuts and religious bigots to STFU and go to the Constitution Party where they belong, and get rid of the Paulian idiots, too. The Republicans are completely off the rails and desperately need to houseclean.

The problem has long been that without social conservative voters Republicans cannot form a majority coalition. Paulians can be run off, but others cannot be gotten rid of. In any scenario where that was tried, you'd end up with a hodge-podge of party fragments unable to win anything. I know some people here would like such an outcome, but I wouldn't.

But a Mondale situation is not going to happen. The more relevant parallel is what happened to the Democrats in 1860.

148 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:09:15pm

re: #141 goddamnedfrank

You'd hate to see it because all you're interested in is winning, not creating an intellectually healthy, long term viable political organization.

No, I'd hate because 2-3 terms of the Democrats in power that solidly is not something I think would be a good thing. In fact, I think that America would go bankrupt before conservatism could mount that big a turnaround. Canada's Liberals, to their credit, did reign in their nation's overspending in the mid-1990's, but I'm not sure today's US Democrats could do such a thing. It would be an exceedingly painful adjustment, to be sure.

149 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:10:05pm

re: #110 Sergey Romanov

Stupid question time: is "damn" still considered an obscene or rude word?

Mild, but still rude. Not to be used in formal or polite settings.

150 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:10:37pm

re: #132 Alouette

How are you posting on Teh Interwebz if you have no power? Did you rig up some steampunk wifi?

Steampunk wifi, and one of these:

[Link: steampunkworkshop.com...]

151 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:11:27pm

*could you tell me who the President of the US is?*
*umm uhh Harry Truman*
*:(*

152 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:11:49pm

re: #118 Sergey Romanov

Is this a word "children should not say"?

Yeah, I'd say so, at least younger children. I won't let my students use it in the classroom, but if a teenager referred to 'that damn test' while talking to me privately, I wouldn't be bothered. Other teachers might be.

From a child younger than puberty, it seems inappropriate to me.

YMMV.

153 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:13:04pm

re: #152 SanFranciscoZionist

What about "hell"?

154 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:13:24pm

re: #148 Dark_Falcon

No, I'd hate because 2-3 terms of the Democrats in power that solidly is not something I think would be a good thing. In fact, I think that America would go bankrupt before conservatism could mount that big a turnaround. Canada's Liberals, to their credit, did reign in their nation's overspending in the mid-1990's, but I'm not sure today's US Democrats could do such a thing. It would be an exceedingly painful adjustment, to be sure.

"The solidly"? Dark, this is one of those instances where you and I will have to disagree, the Democrats have no more been "solidly" in control these past three years than the Republicans were during Bush's terms. When you have to fight with your own party just to overcome the minority party's filibusters, then "solidly" is absolutely the wrong term to describe the level of control you enjoy.

155 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:13:47pm

re: #139 reine.de.tout

When my daughter was about 8 or 9, we were going somewhere, she was in the backseat, and I had my window open.

Suddenly, I hear, "Please, shut the damn window!" from the backseat!

I had to laugh. I know exactly where she got it. I don't think I ever referred to a window without saying "damn" in front of it.

Friend of mine still talks about the time his daughter, just learning to walk, sat down hard and said, distinctly, "'IT!"

His response, "Thank you, Mom."

156 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:15:22pm

re: #147 Dark_Falcon

The problem has long been that without social conservative voters Republicans cannot form a majority coalition. Paulians can be run off, but others cannot be gotten rid of. In any scenario where that was tried, you'd end up with a hodge-podge of party fragments unable to win anything. I know some people here would like such an outcome, but I wouldn't.

But a Mondale situation is not going to happen. The more relevant parallel is what happened to the Democrats in 1860.

Where a whole chunk of them, including practically all the fireeaters, *left the country* (so to speak) for four years soon afterwards?

157 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:16:09pm

re: #153 Sergey Romanov

What about "hell"?

Similar rules to 'damn'. Perhaps a little milder. "I dropped my damn pencil" is not OK from a middle schooler, by me, but "It was hella cool" is more so.

158 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:16:41pm

re: #157 SanFranciscoZionist

What about "heck"?

159 windsagio  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:17:59pm

re: #157 SanFranciscoZionist

'hella' is awesome, if sadly kind of regional.

160 engineer cat  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:18:17pm

re: #148 Dark_Falcon

No, I'd hate because 2-3 terms of the Democrats in power that solidly is not something I think would be a good thing. In fact, I think that America would go bankrupt before conservatism could mount that big a turnaround. Canada's Liberals, to their credit, did reign in their nation's overspending in the mid-1990's, but I'm not sure today's US Democrats could do such a thing. It would be an exceedingly painful adjustment, to be sure.

i would be more interested in listening to republicans in regard to fiscally responsible policies if they had ever shown any signs of fiscal responsibility during the times they were in control of any branches of the federal government

161 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:18:37pm

re: #158 Sergey Romanov

What about "heck"?

What is this, 'grade American profanity week'?

If a child responded to realizing he needed to finish his paper with "Aw, heck," I would not be disturbed.

162 Renaissance_Man  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:18:47pm

re: #148 Dark_Falcon

No, I'd hate because 2-3 terms of the Democrats in power that solidly is not something I think would be a good thing. In fact, I think that America would go bankrupt before conservatism could mount that big a turnaround. Canada's Liberals, to their credit, did reign in their nation's overspending in the mid-1990's, but I'm not sure today's US Democrats could do such a thing. It would be an exceedingly painful adjustment, to be sure.

Whichever party is in power makes absolutely no difference as to whether America will 'go bankrupt'. Modern Republicans are not fiscally conservative. In fact, their entire fiscal policy is based on Randian fantasy. If you actually cared for America's fiscal health, as opposed to caring about beating Democrats, you would want modern Republicans as far away from power as possible until they regain a grasp of basic economics.

163 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:20:04pm

God dammit Cartman, stop saying hella!

164 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:20:18pm

re: #95 Dark_Falcon

Yep. But when its down to just Cain and Romney,

In what alternate reality will this ever happen?

165 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:20:45pm

re: #156 oaktree

Where a whole chunk of them, including practically all the fireeaters, *left the country* (so to speak) for four years soon afterwards?

Yep, that one. I didn't want to use that example, for obvious reasons, but it was the only one I could think of. In hindsight, the 1912 and 1948 presidential elections may also provide guidance.

166 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:21:04pm

re: #161 SanFranciscoZionist

Sorta :) Thanks for helping to bring my swearing hierarchy in order.

(The reason I asked in the first place is that I'm always fascinated when I see "H--l" and "D--n" in older texts.)

167 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:21:27pm

Tomorrow everybody at work is supposed to wear a costume.

I am wearing a dark orange shirt and tell everyone that I am a "pumpkin." I thought about buying a pair of "pumpkin" novelty earrings at CVS but then thought, fuck it, why spend money on stupid worthless shit.

168 windsagio  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:22:09pm

re: #162 Renaissance_Man

I'd have to disagree with you, the current crisis is almost entirely the Republican's fault, whether its financial deregulation or utterly retarded tax cuts or unnecessary wars.

It's kind of passe' to diss on GWB, but you look back, and... and goddamn.

Edit: L2read to the end, me. I'm apparently not disagreeing with you at all :D

169 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:23:12pm

re: #166 Sergey Romanov

Sorta :) Thanks for helping to bring my swearing hierarchy in order.

(The reason I asked in the first place is that I'm always fascinated when I see "H--l" and "D--n" in older texts.)

It's odd how these things change, and vary from region to region.

When I was in high school, we all said 'bloody' a lot, which is not American usage at all. We used it to sound British and cool, but we also liked it because it wasn't 'real' cursing, and didn't sound tacky or profane to us. Not like saying 'fuck' or something.

I learned the hard way, living in England, that 'bloody hell' actually is strong speech there.

170 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:23:57pm

re: #166 Sergey Romanov

Sorta :) Thanks for helping to bring my swearing hierarchy in order.

(The reason I asked in the first place is that I'm always fascinated when I see "H--l" and "D--n" in older texts.)

I think that, in some cultures, profanity and blasphemous cursing is actually worse than scatological and sexual cursing.

Like, in French Canada, the worst thing you can say is tabarnac!

171 windsagio  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:24:22pm

re: #169 SanFranciscoZionist

Funnily, I did this too. I think its a phase every american our age, raised on PBS british comedy marathons, went through.

172 Interesting Times  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:24:28pm

re: #166 Sergey Romanov

(The reason I asked in the first place is that I'm always fascinated when I see "H--l" and "D--n" in older texts.)

That's because of the "religiously charged" nature of those words at the time (i.e. they were considered blasphemous). The n-word and other racist terms now considered unmentionable appeared in all their uncensored glory.

173 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:24:31pm

re: #161 SanFranciscoZionist

What is this, 'grade American profanity week'?

If a child responded to realizing he needed to finish his paper with "Aw, heck," I would not be disturbed.

He will be darned to heck!

174 windsagio  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:25:27pm

re: #166 Sergey Romanov

random LGF history, up to a 2 years or so ago, a number of people would get all up in your grill if you didn't use 'G-d'.

175 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:25:38pm

re: #170 Alouette

What's a tabarnac? Something to do with the Tabernacle?

176 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:26:15pm

re: #165 Dark_Falcon

Yep, that one. I didn't want to use that example, for obvious reasons, but it was the only one I could think of. In hindsight, the 1912 and 1948 presidential elections may also provide guidance.

I was wondering. Since besides the war that defection allowed a bunch of liberal for that time legislation to go through. Homestead Act and also the Morill Act that led to the creation of the various land-grant colleges.

177 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:26:16pm

re: #170 Alouette

I think that, in some cultures, profanity and blasphemous cursing is actually worse than scatological and sexual cursing.

Like, in French Canada, the worst thing you can say is tabarnac!

Mormon tabarnac hell choir?

178 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:26:19pm

re: #165 Dark_Falcon

Yep, that one. I didn't want to use that example, for obvious reasons, but it was the only one I could think of. In hindsight, the 1912 and 1948 presidential elections may also provide guidance.

How so?

There isn't going to be a socialist candidate, nor will there be an equivalent of the States Rights Party, close as the tea party may come.

179 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:26:58pm

*oh no MJ thriller zombie*

180 Interesting Times  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:27:37pm

re: #166 Sergey Romanov

Sorta :) Thanks for helping to bring my swearing hierarchy in order.

So now, you can successfully go the xkcd route ^_^

181 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:27:54pm

re: #173 ralphieboy

He will be darned to heck!

The science teacher at the Catholic middle school I used to work at would sometimes burst out with "Heckfire and dangnation!"

182 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:28:32pm

re: #174 windsagio

random LGF history, up to a 2 years or so ago, a number of people would get all up in your grill if you didn't use 'G-d'.

I think we had a number of people who had learned it was common practice among many Jews, and had the idea it was more polite to do it that way.

Never totally got that.

183 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:28:34pm

re: #174 windsagio

random LGF history, up to a 2 years or so ago, a number of people would get all up in your grill if you didn't use 'G-d'.

u sure? because "G-d" is a personal usage so as not to break a commandment, not something you're supposed to suggest to gentiles.

184 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:28:45pm

re: #178 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

There isn't going to be a socialist candidate

Obama's not running for re-election!?!?

///

185 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:28:55pm

re: #174 windsagio

random LGF history, up to a 2 years or so ago, a number of people would get all up in your grill if you didn't use 'G-d'.

I never encountered that. I even used the lower case "god" all the time and nobody ever complained about it. They'd complain about a lot of other stuff.

186 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:29:10pm

*okay no more brains, you win. for now*
and so it ends, hehe

187 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:29:14pm

re: #181 SanFranciscoZionist

The science teacher at the Catholic middle school I used to work at would sometimes burst out with "Heckfire and dangnation!"

I like the southern-style euphemeisms for curse words. Much better than the originals imo.

"Get up off your blessed assurance and do something" is one of my faves.

188 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:29:20pm

re: #175 Sergey Romanov

What's a tabarnac? Something to do with the Tabernacle?

Quebec French profanity.

189 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:29:57pm

re: #178 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

How so?

There isn't going to be a socialist candidate, nor will there be an equivalent of the States Rights Party, close as the tea party may come.

That question is going to have to hang, I'm afraid. I've got to go now.

BBL

190 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:30:05pm

re: #174 windsagio

random LGF history, up to a 2 years or so ago, a number of people would get all up in your grill if you didn't use 'G-d'.

I recall people tying it that way, but I don't recall people demanding it be typed that way

191 Renaissance_Man  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:30:44pm

re: #168 windsagio

I'd have to disagree with you, the current crisis is almost entirely the Republican's fault, whether its financial deregulation or utterly retarded tax cuts or unnecessary wars.

It's kind of passe' to diss on GWB, but you look back, and... and goddamn.

Indeed, Randian fiscal fantasy coupled with unrestricted military adventurism has a lot to do with it.

In the end, Americans have a very poor political system, and the American people are no longer served by it. You have only two choices, and neither is good. One of the choices is more or less corrupt, more or less ineffectual, and more or less incompetent. The other baldly says to your face, 'we will enact policy that will harm you, your family and friends, and the country; we will destroy your financial future and perhaps even your health, and you'll ask us to do anything we like to you because ZOMG Democrats liberals communists immigrants freedom-haters terrorists.

Unfortunately, in a binary system, some will always make the argument that sure, we might all be hurt and worse off, but at least Democrats didn't win. And, even more unfortunately, lots more people will consider this reasonable.

192 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:31:27pm

re: #166 Sergey Romanov

Sorta :) Thanks for helping to bring my swearing hierarchy in order.

(The reason I asked in the first place is that I'm always fascinated when I see "H--l" and "D--n" in older texts.)

I remember a Mark Twain anecdote, where he describes an old German lady telling an American girl that their languages are really very similar, "We say "Gott in himmel!!" and you say "Goddamn!!"

193 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:32:25pm

re: #184 sattv4u2

There isn't going to be a socialist candidate

Obama's not running for re-election!?!?

///

Shhh don't tell that to all the primary-obama "Disappointeds", who evidently thought he was a "socialist", too. e_e

194 windsagio  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:32:35pm

A few people got mad, trust me... but maybe it was just my charming personality :D

re: #183 Sergey Romanov

u sure? because "G-d" is a personal usage so as not to break a commandment, not something you're supposed to suggest to gentiles.

that was my thing too, actually.

***Just for you guys I'll try to find an example, it'll be hard tho'!

195 albusteve  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:33:02pm

the democrats will save America

196 windsagio  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:33:08pm

re: #192 SanFranciscoZionist

I remember a Mark Twain anecdote, where he describes an old German lady telling an American girl that their languages are really very similar, "We say "Gott in himmel!!" and you say "Goddamn!!"

From the Awful German Language, which is a verdammtes riot!

197 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:33:33pm

re: #183 Sergey Romanov

u sure? because "G-d" is a personal usage so as not to break a commandment, not something you're supposed to suggest to gentiles.

We had Jews who wrote it like that, but also Gentiles who had picked it up. I never used it, and don't recall anyone getting in my grill, but I do remember being somewhat baffled by why someone who wasn't Jewish--and in at least one case was a non-Jewish atheist--would do so. They saw it as courtesy, I think, and got a little overzealous with it, as people will do when they think something is politically correct to do. (In a way they like, I mean.)

198 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:33:57pm

re: #195 albusteve

the democrats Robert Byrd party will save America

fxd

199 albusteve  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:34:11pm

re: #174 windsagio

random LGF history, up to a 2 years or so ago, a number of people would get all up in your grill if you didn't use 'G-d'.

I don't recall any of that

200 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:34:20pm

re: #192 SanFranciscoZionist

Pfui Taibl!

201 Interesting Times  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:34:23pm

re: #194 windsagio

A few people got mad, trust me... but maybe it was just my charming personality :D

I'm not sure it was so much "demanding" people type it that way, but lording over how "respectful" they were for doing so, thus passive-aggressively implying that anyone who chose not to follow suit was a horrible anti-religious bigot 9_9

202 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:34:32pm

re: #198 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

fxd

Do they wear whigs?

203 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:34:36pm

re: #195 albusteve

the democrats will save America

From your lips to God's ear.

204 bratwurst  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:34:41pm

re: #195 albusteve

the democrats will save America

Don't see anyone saying this OR that Obama is unbeatable...but carry on.

205 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:35:12pm

re: #194 windsagio

Also, "God" isn't really God's name. /

206 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:35:41pm

re: #202 oaktree

Do they wear whigs?

No. And none are Tory Amos fans, either.

207 windsagio  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:35:43pm

ok search doesn't really go back that far.

To be honest, I remember it partially because Matt and I spent some time mocking Mandy over it ;)

208 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:35:56pm

re: #204 bratwurst

Don't see anyone saying this OR that Obama is unbeatable...but carry on.

If Romney gets the nomination, he has a good chance of beating Obama in a two-way race. But neither of those conditions are a given...

209 albusteve  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:35:58pm

re: #204 bratwurst

Don't see anyone saying this OR that Obama is unbeatable...but carry on.

maybe you are tone deaf, or even brain dead

210 windsagio  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:37:04pm

re: #195 albusteve

Its more that the Republicans will destroy it.

Even when out of power they fuck everything up. And they're happy to admit it!

(cue: 'the most important thing is to defeat Barack Obama' and variations)

211 windsagio  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:37:22pm

also, steve off his meds again :p

212 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:37:48pm

re: #209 albusteve

maybe you are tone deaf, or even brain dead

bratwurst is neither.

213 bratwurst  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:37:58pm

re: #209 albusteve

maybe you are tone deaf, or even brain dead

You got right back into the misogyny yesterday, might as well go for some personal insults today...make up for lost time.

214 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:38:55pm

re: #205 Sergey Romanov

Also, "God" isn't really God's name. /

Has anybody ever figured out just what his name is? He's been mum on the issue, sfaict. /

215 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:39:52pm

re: #214 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Has anybody ever figured out just what his name is? He's been mum on the issue, sfaict. /

For the purposes of our discussion it's יהוה‎

216 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:40:43pm

re: #205 Sergey Romanov

Also, "God" isn't really God's name. /

Merely her job title.

(This is why I don't use the G-d form, unless I'm writing to someone frum who I know will be upset if I don't. I also don't use 'Elokim', or the like, and I think people who write "H-shem" to avoid writing "HaShem" out in full are just being too careful. It gets silly after a certain point. But YMMV. I've now used that acronym twice today. Odd.)

217 windsagio  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:40:47pm

re: #214 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Jewish and descended religions are actually pretty clear on that point :p

218 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:41:12pm

God has no name, as he/she/it is in-effing-effable!!!

219 Political Atheist  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:41:44pm

re: #214 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Has anybody ever figured out just what his name is? He's been mum on the issue, sfaict. /

Kinda. But it didn't end well.

220 windsagio  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:42:13pm

re: #218 ralphieboy

you want to do God?

You might have better relationship luck if you lower your standards :P

221 albusteve  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:42:45pm

re: #213 bratwurst

You got right back into the misogyny yesterday, might as well go for some personal insults today...make up for lost time.

I don't take you personally

222 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:44:16pm

Anyway, the discussion evolved from "damn" to "God", not bad, not all is lost.///

223 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:45:11pm

re: #220 windsagio

you want to do God?

You might have better relationship luck if you lower your standards :P

ineffable, as in not capable of being grasped by the human mind. effingly so.

224 windsagio  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:46:21pm

The essay SFZ mentioned

4. "Verdammt," and its variations and enlargements, are words which have plenty of meaning, but the sounds are so mild and ineffectual that German ladies can use them without sin. German ladies who could not be induced to commit a sin by any persuasion or compulsion, promptly rip out one of these harmless little words when they tear their dresses or don't like the soup. It sounds about as wicked as our "My gracious." German ladies are constantly saying, "Ach! Gott!" "Mein Gott!" "Gott in Himmel!" "Herr Gott" "Der Herr Jesus!" etc. They think our ladies have the same custom, perhaps; for I once heard a gentle and lovely old German lady say to a sweet young American girl: "The two languages are so alike -- how pleasant that is; we say `Ach! Gott!' you say `Goddamn.'"

225 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:47:05pm

re: #222 Sergey Romanov

Anyway, the discussion evolved from "damn" to "God", not bad, not all is lost.///

Happens every time I use a hammer anywhere near my thumbs

226 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:50:39pm

re: #224 windsagio

The essay SFZ mentioned

That's the one.

227 Lidane  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 2:59:19pm

re: #147 Dark_Falcon

The problem has long been that without social conservative voters Republicans cannot form a majority coalition.

Shouldn't that be a signal to the party that they've got shitty ideas?

If the only way to get a majority coalition is by pandering to the religious bigots and wingnuts, maybe they don't have much to run on. Perhaps the GOP should actually try to come up with winnable ideas independent of the bigots. It would be a nice change.

229 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 3:02:28pm
230 lawhawk  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 3:05:25pm

Trying to catch up here and I see that the protesters at Zuccotti Park are toughing it out. It's absolutely miserable to be out in the kind of weather we had yesterday, and it's going to be cold overnight over the next few days.

Also saw a story that the NLG was going to sue the FDNY over their confiscation of generators at the park - the FDNY claimed that they were a fire code violation; the NLG claims that the confiscations were a violation of first amendment rights of the protesters.

Sorry, but the confiscations was not a first amendment violation; the protesters can still protest - just without the generators. And if the conditions are tough on them that they need generators to stay out there?

Besides, millions of folks around the region are without power and clamoring for generators to keep their homes warm to power fridges to keep food from spoiling, and having heat and power. Let's just say I'm not particularly sympathetic.

231 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 3:06:29pm

re: #227 Lidane

Shouldn't that be a signal to the party that they've got shitty ideas?

If the only way to get a majority coalition is by pandering to the religious bigots and wingnuts, maybe they don't have much to run on. Perhaps the GOP should actually try to come up with winnable ideas independent of the bigots. It would be a nice change.

Thing is, the party has spent the better part of the last 30+ years identifying itself with the bigots, that if they abandoned them, they'd essentially have no identity as a party anymore. If they started admitting that homosexuals are not the root of all evil, that allowing women sexual freedom will not make baby Jesus cry, and treating minorities as anything other than convenient scapegoats for all of societies ills, then the Democrats would pat them on the back and announce "Welcome to the 21st century."

232 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 3:06:46pm

re: #230 lawhawk

NLG claims that the confiscations were a violation of first amendment rights of the protesters.

The right to lights and heat

It's what the founders meant!!!!!
/

233 Lidane  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 3:08:03pm

I can't say I'm a fan of Anonymous, but this takes massive, titanium balls:

Anonymous Takes on Mexican Drug Cartel Los Zetas

A video address published online in Spanish and English by a self-described member of Anonymous Veracruz, Mexico, accuses Los Zetas, one of the most powerful drug cartels in the country, of kidnapping an unnamed male Anonymous member and holding him hostage.

The video address, published in early October, was apparently made using a text-to-speech program, features footage of a person in a Guy Fawkes mask and threatens that the hacktivist group will release identifying information about the cartel’s businesses and associates if the supposedly kidnapped person isn’t set free or if he is in any way harmed.

The Zetas aren't like Scientology. They're not going to sue to find out who made the video or tie Anon up in the courts. Who needs the courts when you have raw firepower and sadism on your side?

234 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 3:08:27pm

Yeah and there's been no end to the bickering on said clarity, either. Lol

re: #217 windsagio

Jewish and descended religions are actually pretty clear on that point :p

235 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 3:12:17pm

re: #233 Lidane

I can't say I'm a fan of Anonymous, but this takes massive, titanium balls:

Anonymous Takes on Mexican Drug Cartel Los Zetas

The Zetas aren't like Scientology. They're not going to sue to find out who made the video or tie Anon up in the courts. Who needs the courts when you have raw firepower and sadism on your side?

Be interested to see how this plays out. Will Anonymous score a win or will they be hunted down and their deaths just another part of the statistics?

236 windsagio  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 3:12:57pm

re: #233 Lidane

there's nothing safer than putting a speech on the internet with a mask and a vocoder.

237 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 3:13:40pm

re: #233 Lidane

They're in Mexico. What is their firepower worth in the rest of the world (where Anonymous resides)?

238 albusteve  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 3:13:53pm

re: #235 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Be interested to see how this plays out. Will Anonymous score a win or will they be hunted down and their deaths just another part of the statistics?

taking on Zeta with a keyboard is suicide....heads will roll

239 albusteve  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 3:15:32pm

re: #237 Sergey Romanov

They're in Mexico. What is their firepower worth in the rest of the world (where Anonymous resides)?

they go wherever they want....they can simply drive into the states, land of guns, ammo and huge money

240 windsagio  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 3:16:12pm

re: #235 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

seriously, neither. Its doubtful anon can produce real info in this case, and drug cartels don't care much about PR, as a general rule.

241 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 3:16:40pm

re: #239 albusteve

Leaving aside the question of how they would identify the anonymous, do they also go to Europe?

242 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 3:17:39pm

re: #233 Lidane

I can't say I'm a fan of Anonymous, but this takes massive, titanium balls:

Anonymous Takes on Mexican Drug Cartel Los Zetas

The Zetas aren't like Scientology. They're not going to sue to find out who made the video or tie Anon up in the courts. Who needs the courts when you have raw firepower and sadism on your side?

I was accused of being a bit of an authoritarian hardass for wanting innocent skriptkiddies to do time for hacking.

That said, I hope that Los Zetas don't kill any skriptkiddies. That would be bad.

243 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 3:17:44pm

re: #233 Lidane

I can't say I'm a fan of Anonymous, but this takes massive, titanium balls:

Anonymous Takes on Mexican Drug Cartel Los Zetas

The Zetas aren't like Scientology. They're not going to sue to find out who made the video or tie Anon up in the courts. Who needs the courts when you have raw firepower and sadism on your side?

I hadn't paid much attention to that story until now.

“You made a huge mistake by taking one of us. Release him. And if anything happens to him, you (expletive) will always remember this upcoming November 5th,” the address in the video says, according to a translation provided by the Houston Chronicle on Saturday.

The video address notes that the alleged kidnapped Anonymous member was taken from Veracruz, Mexico “when he was doing Paperstorm,” an apparent reference to Anonymous Operation Paperstorm,...

Ugh. They're just going to get their friend killed. Horribly stupid for them to start messing with the cartels. It's not like they have websites to be hacked or something. This is not the Westoro Baptist Church. Their buddy is probably in really bad shape if not dead already. Very sad that these people are so stupid.

244 windsagio  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 3:18:41pm

beyond that, its their goddamn duty to give the government the information if they actually have it.

Most likely its a massive pack of lies tho'.

245 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 3:18:41pm

re: #239 albusteve

they go wherever they want...they can simply drive into the states, land of guns, ammo and huge money

I assume they're bright enough to know that assassinating hackers on U.S. soil would probably raise the ante somewhat.

246 Lidane  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 3:18:41pm

re: #237 Sergey Romanov

They're in Mexico. What is their firepower worth in the rest of the world (where Anonymous resides)?

Did you miss the part where the video comes from an Anonymous group in Mexico? Whoever made that video in Mexico is taking a serious risk.

247 windsagio  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 3:19:44pm

I"m usually the anti-authoritarian one, but there are few things on the net I have more contempt for than anon.

248 albusteve  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 3:20:08pm

re: #241 Sergey Romanov

Leaving aside the question of how they would identify the anonymous, do they also go to Europe?

of course...underestimating a gang like the Zetas will get you very dead...they know how to use a laptop too...if they want to find somebody, odds are very much in their favor....imo

249 Lidane  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 3:20:30pm

re: #236 windsagio

there's nothing safer than putting a speech on the internet with a mask and a vocoder.

Not when you're making that speech in Mexico. The Zetas are already making public threats to anyone in Mexico who talks negatively about them on Twitter and Facebook. A video will only piss them off more.

250 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 3:20:46pm

re: #242 SanFranciscoZionist

I was accused of being a bit of an authoritarian hardass for wanting innocent skriptkiddies to do time for hacking.

That said, I hope that Los Zetas don't kill any skriptkiddies. That would be bad.

I don't think that's going to happen. the cartels don't really have the technology to track down anon members. I'm sure they're torturing the hell out of the captured anon guy but he probably doesn't have useful intel to give up. Anon and the cartels operate in completely different worlds and probably can't do much damage to each other.

251 windsagio  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 3:21:56pm

re: #249 Lidane

thats where the mask and vocoder come in :p

I don't blame people for not wanting to publicly threaten a drug cartel while in mexico, but anonymous threats like that are lol.

(edit: no pun intended)

252 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 3:23:05pm

re: #246 Lidane

Did you miss the part where the video comes from an Anonymous group in Mexico? Whoever made that video in Mexico is taking a serious risk.

I don't intend to see the video. However, this means that it's not "the Anonymous" but, at most, "the Mexican section of the Anonymous". If they don't get help from the US/European/Asian colleagues (whose asses are safe), are they really part of the Anon? In any case, unless they do stupid mistakes, they're probably safe anyway, it's not like Zetas are FBI or something.

253 albusteve  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 3:23:10pm

re: #250 Killgore Trout

I don't think that's going to happen. the cartels don't really have the technology to track down anon members. I'm sure they're torturing the hell out of the captured anon guy but he probably doesn't have useful intel to give up. Anon and the cartels operate in completely different worlds and probably can't do much damage to each other.

depends on how determined they are...I sure wouldn't bet against them

254 Lidane  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 3:25:36pm

re: #250 Killgore Trout

I don't think that's going to happen. the cartels don't really have the technology to track down anon members. I'm sure they're torturing the hell out of the captured anon guy but he probably doesn't have useful intel to give up. Anon and the cartels operate in completely different worlds and probably can't do much damage to each other.

They have enough technology to do this (NSFW/graphic):

[Link: www.hellonearthblog.com...]

Masks and vocoders don't mean anything if the people who made the video can be found.

255 Amory Blaine  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 3:25:55pm

I don't think it matters to the cartels. They'll just grab anyone they want and represent them as Anon.

256 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 3:26:33pm

re: #241 Sergey Romanov

Leaving aside the question of how they would identify the anonymous, do they also go to Europe?

I guess they could...or they may have contacts.

257 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 3:28:58pm

re: #256 SanFranciscoZionist

I guess they could...or they may have DISPOSABLE contacts.

ftfy

258 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 3:31:33pm

re: #254 Lidane

They have enough technology to do this (NSFW/graphic):

[Link: www.hellonearthblog.com...]

This link doesn't show that the narcomafia has the technology to go after the Anon. We don't know what mistakes the dead bloggers made (did they actually take precautions to be anonymous, etc.).

Again, sure, if some basic mistakes revealing online identity are made, there is a risk. But that's what the Anon is supposed to avoid (unless they're dealing with the FBI, which has all kinds of tricks).

259 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 3:32:01pm

re: #256 SanFranciscoZionist

I guess they could...or they may have contacts.

To go around kill thousands of kids? Doubtful.

260 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 3:33:32pm

re: #254 Lidane

They have enough technology to do this (NSFW/graphic):

[Link: www.hellonearthblog.com...]

Masks and vocoders don't mean anything if the people who made the video can be found.

Hmmm, now that I think about it the cartels certainly have enough money to hire people to track down anon members. They probably also have enough contacts within the Mexican government willing to help too. Not good.

261 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 3:33:47pm

re: #259 Sergey Romanov

To go around kill thousands of kids? Doubtful.

I don't think they're going to try to wipe out Anonymous. What I fear is that they may kill one or two.

262 Amory Blaine  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 3:33:54pm

They'll just kill bloggers that are already on their list. Whether they are with Anon or not.

263 albusteve  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 3:35:48pm

re: #260 Killgore Trout

Hmmm, now that I think about it the cartels certainly have enough money to hire people to track down anon members. They probably also have enough contacts within the Mexican government willing to help too. Not good.

they have enough money to do whatever they want...pretending you are safe is ludicrous

264 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 3:36:50pm

re: #263 albusteve

they have enough money to do whatever they want...pretending you are safe is ludicrous

Totally depends on what you do and what precautions you take.

265 albusteve  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 3:41:18pm

re: #264 Sergey Romanov

Totally depends on what you do and what precautions you take.

re: #264 Sergey Romanov

Totally depends on what you do and what precautions you take.

that's obvious

266 albusteve  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 3:43:00pm

anyone with doubt about the capabilities of Zeta might want to read 'Killing Pablo' by Mark Bowden

267 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 3:43:14pm

re: #265 albusteve

re: #264 Sergey Romanov

that's obvious

Sure. That's why they can't "do whatever they want" and one can be safe. In specific circumstances.

268 albusteve  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 3:46:52pm

re: #267 Sergey Romanov

Sure. That's why they can't "do whatever they want" and one can be safe. In specific circumstances.

minor details...you are splitting hairs now, certainly nothing is absolute...but consider the trail of carnage down in Mexico...to say they are less than effective because of one judge they have not killed yet is stretching the point

269 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 3:47:58pm

re: #268 albusteve

We were talking specifically about computer activities. I don't see how trails of carnage or judges enter the discussion.

270 albusteve  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 3:52:40pm

re: #269 Sergey Romanov

We were talking specifically about computer activities. I don't see how trails of carnage or judges enter the discussion.

I see that...with regard to Zetas rep for getting what they want, I say that bulldozing violence and firepower speaks for itself....if you reject their determination, you are at risk, anonymous or not

271 bubbanelson  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 4:21:23pm

re: #152 SanFranciscoZionist

It never was one of the seven words. I neve r understood why some people found it offensive

272 bubbanelson  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 4:27:29pm

re: #167 Alouette

273 bubbanelson  Sun, Oct 30, 2011 4:41:32pm

Oops.DROID error.
I meant to say those words are unequivocally naughty.

274 JRCMYP  Mon, Oct 31, 2011 8:51:40pm

My gaydar just went off. I'm getting tired of homophobic right-wing politicians who turn out to be closeted gays.


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